Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1733277]So leave your Western thoughts at home about paying more gets you more. In Bkk, overpaying for sex results in less service. By overpaying, you will be view as a horny old sex tourist that is dump enough to pay too much for pu_sy.[/QUOTE]I would like to disagree with your analysis, to some extent. I have never lived in Thailand, but have been traveling there since 2004. I took a total of 15 trips so far. Based on my experience, it is just the opposite.

When I pick a girl, I never negotiate the price. If she quotes me a price close to the going rate, I am game. Otherwise, I move on. However, if I like the session, then I am very generous with the tip, especially if I want to see her again. I have never been disappointed. I've always gotten great service, yet I overpay when you add the tip.

Hey fellow mongers,

I'm heading to BKK next week and wanted to ask a simple, but logical question that doesn't really involve scouring forums to find the answer. I'll be staying on Soi 11 during my trip and I've heard mention of FL bars that are pretty good on this Soi. Is it true that Soi 11 has some decent FL bars? Which ones would you recommend? Also, which massage places have you had positive experiences with? (oily or soapies).

Thanks in advance to anyone who has insight into this. If you would like tips from Hanoi, Kuala Lumpur, Beijing, or Taiwan (most of the island), I have plenty of places to visit, just let me know!

Cheers,

Stirge

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1733252]I respect your opinion and point of view G. Note: there is no falsehood in anything you wrote. I will just say in response that all the Go Go girls I repeat with, REPEAT WITH, do not rush me. We usually spend 3 or 4 hours together with one shag, a lot of fooling around, some drinking, and sometimes a late dinner. I call it modified ST. Example: I found out that one of my new Go Go friends from March 2015 likes to go swimming. By our third time together we had it worked out to an afternoon pool party, shag, and then early dinner. It was great. No barfine. No rush. I think we hooked up 6 times this way. I am definitely going to see her again in early October. Syzygies knows who she is. She is a great gal and IMHO, the hottest dancer in one of our favorite Go Go's.[/QUOTE]Gratzi And I respect yours as well. It really comes down to differing wants, needs, and experiences doesn't it? Natty, I am sure there are some great GoGo gals out there who are well worth the money. Its great that you and Syz have been able to find some.

When I first moved here 9 out of 10 pulls from any GoGo were really great. Rarely did I ever hit a dud or someone who rushed me. There was very little looking and hunting. You pulled a gal and you pretty much knew you were going to have an excellent time. They all wanted to head out for a drink or a bite. It was sanuk. They expected it to be.

Now, I usually do about one sesh per week, due to time constraints, the fact that I have a GF and would not want to invest in any type of "relationship" (I don't even take gals phone numbers) and to be frank, after living here for so long I just don't have the urge to go out and screw 4 or 5 times per week. So when I partake I don't really want a "maybe it'll be good. " Actually I have enough trouble finding oily gals that fit the bill. And no, I don't want to pound the gal in the keister for 90 min, but I do want a gal who really knows her way around a man's erogenous zones and can take me up and down multiple times; a well developed skill set. If a little GFE is thrown in on top of the PSE then that is a really nice added bonus. But as I said, it is more and more difficult to find this even in the oilies these days. I do think that some of the PSE shops, mainly due to lack of business, are finally getting back on track and spending a bit more time training the girls. Hoping that trend will continue. Shoot me a PM when you are here in Oct.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1733344]I would like to disagree with your analysis, to some extent. I have never lived in Thailand, but have been traveling there since 2004. I took a total of 15 trips so far. Based on my experience, it is just the opposite.

When I pick a girl, I never negotiate the price. If she quotes me a price close to the going rate, I am game. Otherwise, I move on. However, if I like the session, then I am very generous with the tip, especially if I want to see her again. I have never been disappointed. I've always gotten great service, yet I overpay when you add the tip.[/QUOTE]I have never paid over the agreed price. That goes for GoGos, FLs, or MP / Oily gals. It has never been a problem and repeats have always been good.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1733252]Example: I found out that one of my new Go Go friends from March 2015 likes to go swimming. By our third time together we had it worked out to an afternoon pool party, shag, and then early dinner. It was great. No barfine. No rush. I think we hooked up 6 times this way. I am definitely going to see her again in early October. Syzygies knows who she is. [/QUOTE]Yes, "likes swimming" was the obvious hint. Always busy with her "LINE" of guys.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1733252]I respect your opinion and point of view G. Note: there is no falsehood in anything you wrote. I will just say in response that all the Go Go girls I repeat with, REPEAT WITH, do not rush me. We usually spend 3 or 4 hours together with one shag, a lot of fooling around, some drinking, and sometimes a late dinner. I call it modified ST. Example: I found out that one of my new Go Go friends from March 2015 likes to go swimming. By our third time together we had it worked out to an afternoon pool party, shag, and then early dinner. It was great. No barfine. No rush. I think we hooked up 6 times this way. I am definitely going to see her again in early October. Syzygies knows who she is. She is a great gal and IMHO, the hottest dancer in one of our favorite Go Go's.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree, what's all this rush stuff. I have more problems with ST Hotels trying to rush me. So I prefer a not so busy time like 6. 30 PM. LOL. Rush girls, simply means wrong girl, wrong bar. Girls generally don't rush me, because they know I pay okay And if the price has not been agreed and they rush me, they might get a lot less.

Sure I have met rush quickie girls, particularly in RB4, and a bad one in Spankys once, but I generally don't go to Nana Plaza much except to some regular girls.

I think go-go girls is a much bigger problem for guys who get bored by girls very quickly and are changing all the time. For me, I prefer to make a collection of regular good lookers that perform well too. The odd experiment with a new girl turns out not so great. However sometimes girls attitudes change a lot. There are go-go girls that were nothing special for me the first time, but improved drastically once they got to like me.

Your swimming girl is one of those. Some other girls are a bit shy and need a few tequilas to become a bit wild (but not too many).

[QUOTE=VIPhawaii;1732867]I understand now. Barfines are a complete waste of money and goes 100% yo the middleman. No wonder I don't understand because I always did FL with the occasional massage place when in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Don't be silly. In an Oily you a similar amount to the house for the massage. The girl gets nothing of the 800 Baht massage fee for example. Or in a typical all inclusive price, the girl typically gets 1400 and house gets the rest. Then they rip the girl off for prices of condoms, soaps, oils, etc.

In Annies the girl gets much less than 1400 of the all inclusive price. The house is taking a lot. For guys that don't tip extra, the girl is faced with hard work for a very low fee maybe 1 K.

Freelancers is a way to avoid extra fees. I don't use them though, except maybe some secret liasons with girls outside their workplace. However I don't regard them as freelancers so much.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1733243]Uncle V, I know you are a big fan of Insomnia over in Pat. That is a pretty good place and I look forward to going there in late September. I know I am going to meet some charming FL girls there aside from all the great Go Go girls I will also have the pleasure of.

My MO in BKK is different. I mostly hit oily parlors in the afternoon and Go Go's in the early evening between 8 pm and 10 pm. When I get tired of the Go Go circuit I change off and go to my favorite Soapies and then hit the Go Go's afterwards. LOL. Staying as I do on Soi 11 a lot, I always check out Climax and Levels later in the evening, but I must confess that I am not a big fan. Climax is too dark and the girl quality is spotty IMHO. Levels is higher class, but a majority of the girls are either already with guys or not P4 P so the place is unreliable. I also make an annual pilgrimage to Spasso and Mixx. The FL Spasso girls are generally older and expensive, but usually very nice. Still, I sometimes can't believe how many dudes show up there for what is available considering the cost and the quality. Then there are a number of very good dance clubs away from Sukhumvit like Demo off Ekkamai, the clubs on RCA Alley, the Pimp Sister ect. But to tell you the truth, I usually only go to these places with a girl and her girlfriends, not to pick one up because by 11:30 pm to 1 am I have already made my selection for the evening and am happy. But ask me about FL bars and clubs in Jakarta and you will get a different answer. I love CJ's.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the rundown on the BKK FL and club scene. You are always a font of knowledge for this "grasshopper". 555.

Your BKK MO sounds smart. I really don't like going to clubs every night of the week and staying out till all hours. I guess I m getting old. For me the point of the club is to meet FL girls I can call later on. I don't mind repeating if the girl is hot and we have good chemistry. Though I like variety too, I am not obsessed with padding my stats like some guys. I average about 7 girls per 2 week to 10 day trip and repeat with maybe 2 of them.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1733277]The more you pay for sex, the worst the service. Why is that? In Thai culture, how they treat you is based on your status in life. The lower your status, the worst they treat you. So how do most Thais now view Western sex tourist? You guessed it, on the low end of society. Thus, even if you pay 5,000 to 6,000 to a soi bar girl, she will still treat you like crap.
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Excellent point, Undercover. Many Westerners do not realize their status here - it is LOW. And it is particularly low for the Western sex tourist, though not for the reason one might think. Its less a moral judgement on mongering and more a critique of the type of girls Westerners are perceived go after - dark skinned, impolite, raucous.

It may have been a bit different 30-40 years ago, but nowadays their natural dislike of foreigners (particularly foreigners of other races) has been liberated by their relatively higher development/GDP-per-capita level.

My favourite was Kae, who worked many years in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] before she quit and ended up in Kasalong around the corner. She was great, but last time I was in Bangkok, in February this year, she was not there and her colleague told me she stop. Anyone has any recomendations of other girls?

I just returned to Europe after two months in Bangkok.

Mostly I met with "former" contact from visits before that I found true Thaifriendly and / or Craiglist and of course I am building up new contacts for refreshment. Stayed two months in Bangkok and had a reasonable number of girls in my apartment and only gave one time a girl 500 THB for taxi money (unasked and around 2:00 AM in the morning).

Some weeks ago I met a 30+ years old girl at the Hyatt on a Friday evening late (actually it was already Saturday morning). She was around 5 ft8/175 cm, dressed in a black dress and she spoke very good English.

We met at the smoking place and started conversation, she told me she didn't want to go into because on Friday and Saturday they have a 800 or 900 THB ticket entrance policy for girls (and some unknown male visitors).

I was standing at the smoking area with a Heineken and she asked where I wanted to go. I said that I would go to my place (Sukhumvite Asok) but that I would like to check out Levels before.

She was not from Bangkok but came only to BKK sometimes when she needed some extra cash.

She didn't now Levels and invited my offer to buy here a drink there so in the taxi to Soi 11 we continued the conversation including some cuddling and quick kissing.

At Levels, which was really packed on this Friday night, I bought here a drink and quickly we split. Around 30 minutes later I was talking to another sweety that I now from face, she came accross and winked to me. I told the other girl that I needed to go to the toilet and my "Spasso" girl said I am going back to Spasso because I can't work here.

We exchanged line accounts and we split.

Two days later Sunday afternoon we had line contact.

She told me that she was "unlucky" as she didn't had nobody the Friday and not on the Saturday, she said I try again tonight knowing that at midnight the alcohol ban would be in place.

I invited her for a dinner in the early Sunday evening. From the conversation before I did not want to ask here to come over to my place (sure I was horny enough but I could get the same for free or nearly free; so why would I.).

Today she messaged me: yesterday evening she met a German male and she told me she was lucky.

After my question: tell me more. She said the German guy paid her Euro 300.

I asked what you had to do for that and she said two times sex with him (and I assume she stayed over for the night).

WTF a German visitor (he stayed at the Marriott) paid her 300 Euro (which is more than THB 11.000) plus 500 THB in local currency for taxi.

I don't want to say that he was stupid.

If he would met this girl in Cologne, Berlin or Stuttgart and she would go with him and stayed over for a night, with two time sex, 300 Euro's would be cheap.

But guys please: take in mind that most girls (even who work in Spasso) sometimes do not earn THB 11.000 in one month (and they have to work 6 days a week for that).

This girl would have had (based on my former conversation) also accept THB 5. 000 for the same service.

Just my two.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1733628]Many Westerners do not realize their status here - it is LOW... It may have been a bit different 30-40 years ago, but nowadays their natural dislike of foreigners (particularly foreigners of other races) has been liberated by their relatively higher development/GDP-per-capita level.[/QUOTE]

It was significantly different only 10 years ago. Few days back I was eating at a streetside restaurant in Bangkok (non-monger area), and the waitress barely uttered a word or spared a look while getting the order. No "ka" when speaking to me but she used it when talking to her colleague (so she's pointedly disrespectful, not just too lazy). Not at all uncommon these days. On average, Thais are way less respectful to foreigners than even just 10 years ago, let alone further back.

I wasn't there with a woman (ugly or otherwise), and I don't think there's much we can do about this. As you said it's inherent racism liberated by better economy, plus too many Westerners living in Thailand these days.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1733922]It was significantly different only 10 years ago. Few days back I was eating at a streetside restaurant in Bangkok (non-monger area), and the waitress barely uttered a word or spared a look while getting the order. No "ka" when speaking to me but she used it when talking to her colleague (so she's pointedly disrespectful, not just too lazy). Not at all uncommon these days. On average, Thais are way less respectful to foreigners than even just 10 years ago, let alone further back.

I wasn't there with a woman (ugly or otherwise), and I don't think there's much we can do about this. As you said it's inherent racism liberated by better economy, plus too many Westerners living in Thailand these days.[/QUOTE]Many in the tourist areas become hardened.

The country's economic success has financially liberated many Thais and given everyone a sense of confidence. Their national infrastructure projects (rail, air and road) have contributed considerably to the wealth of the people. (Compare this with the PI). The Thais also take pride in that the last time anyone invaded them was over 250 years ago when the Burmese briefly conquered the Thai armies in the north. They escaped colonisation by the British and invasion by the Japanese which is a great source of national pride. On the way they also missed out on learning English and a well functioning bureaucracy, government and legal system.

It's amusing to see the tension between the Indian tourists and Thais in Pattaya and Bangkok. The Indians look down on the Thais because much of Thai language, religion and culture comes from India when Asoka brought Buddhism to Thailand. The Indians also look down on the Thais because they can't speak English and they equate this with low intelligence. The Thais naturally dislike the Indians because they are dark skinned, cheap, always looking for bargains and refuse to play by the established rules of mongering. I don't like seeing tourists behaving badly when abroad and some of the behaviour by Indians is disgraceful, but I chuckle knowing its about time someone shook the status-quo.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1733922]It was significantly different only 10 years ago. Few days back I was eating at a streetside restaurant in Bangkok (non-monger area), and the waitress barely uttered a word or spared a look while getting the order. No "ka" when speaking to me but she used it when talking to her colleague (so she's pointedly disrespectful, not just too lazy). Not at all uncommon these days. On average, Thais are way less respectful to foreigners than even just 10 years ago, let alone further back.

I wasn't there with a woman (ugly or otherwise), and I don't think there's much we can do about this. As you said it's inherent racism liberated by better economy, plus too many Westerners living in Thailand these days.[/QUOTE]I normally don't get involved in this kind of discussion because I don't think it adds any constructive value to this forum. However reading all the negative comments I wonder if I live in the same city that is being discussed here.

Of course Bangkok in 2015 is different to Bangkok in 1982 when I came here for the first time. As an expat on my third tour of duty in Thailand I find the city has improved immeasurably.

It is true that Thais working the common tourist spots are no longer fawning over Western tourists and have taken on the same bad attitude one expects to encounter from any other rip off tourist spot around the world. But who is to blame. I see some Western tourists here and I cringe and often feel embarrassed to be a Farang. They run around Bangkok like they are still on the beach in Pattaya (which has become a hell hole due to unrestricted bucket and spade tourism) Thais will react the way they are treated and certainly don't like that colonial bullshit that Western tourists think they can lord around. I have yet to encounter a local that hasn't reacted politely to me. Be it a street vendor, taxi driver or working girl. True, like Groat I have my regular girls. They are either from the known oilies or FL's I have met on WeChat. With them it is less a customer but more a friends with benefits relationship.

Fact is that the economic situation in Thailand has kept pace with the rest of the world and had it not been for the political strife economic growth would have overtaken Europe like most of Asia has. Infrastructure is a hell of a lot better today than it was in the "golden" years. And aside from WG's there are plenty of horny business ladies these days that have the confidence to chose a bed partner for a night because they want to and not because you give a couple of Baht. Luckily the general Western hang ups about sex have not yet reached the Thai culture. Therefore from my view point, life in Bangkok is great and I am always glad to return after a trip to the USA Which is a hell hole for mongers or Europe where it feels like assembly line sex.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1733922]It was significantly different only 10 years ago. Few days back I was eating at a streetside restaurant in Bangkok (non-monger area), and the waitress barely uttered a word or spared a look while getting the order. No "ka" when speaking to me but she used it when talking to her colleague (so she's pointedly disrespectful, not just too lazy). Not at all uncommon these days. On average, Thais are way less respectful to foreigners than even just 10 years ago, let alone further back.

I wasn't there with a woman (ugly or otherwise), and I don't think there's much we can do about this. As you said it's inherent racism liberated by better economy, plus too many Westerners living in Thailand these days.[/QUOTE]What you describe may well be racism but OTOH the way people in the service industries treat their customers in the US has also deteriorated over the last decade or so and that is not because of racism but rather general cultural changes that many of us are bothered by. For example, when purchasing something in a store, rather than say "thank you" when they take your money many cashiers just grab it and ignore you. So while Thais may be way less respectful to foreigners than they were 10 or more years ago, many Americans tend to be way less respectful of Americans than they were then too.