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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1733934]Many in the tourist areas become hardened.

Thais also take pride in that the last time anyone invaded them was over 250 years ago when the Burmese briefly conquered the Thai armies in the north. They escaped colonisation by the British and invasion by the Japanese which is a great source of national pride. On the way they also missed out on learning English and a well functioning bureaucracy, government and legal system.

It's amusing to see the tension between the Indian tourists and Thais in Pattaya and Bangkok. .[/QUOTE]That's a benevolent view of history as told by the Thai people. Basically Thailand missed out on colonisation because it had nothing the colonial powers wanted, the poms had a potato famine, not a rice famine, and they would be difficult to rule, even one of the thai kings brought in indians as tax collectors because ke knew he would see very little of the actual collections. In the second world war it was not invaded by the japanese, the japanese were simply invited in by the thais. Thailand would have wound up like Japan after the second world war except the french moaned on about it as they had a foot in Cambodia and Vietnam, and did not want a comparison to the pitfalls of colonisation next door. A Thailand that followed Japan's experience after WW2 would have been an economic success much earlier.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1733934]They escaped colonisation by the British and invasion by the Japanese which is a great source of national pride.I[/QUOTE]The British were never really interested in Thailand.

The French have always been a bigger threath. Have a look at Bangok's Victory Monument. The Thai put that up after they LOST the naval battle of Kho Chang against the French in January 1941. Imagine what kind of monument they would have put up if they won. LOL.

And the Japanese? Officially neutral until the Japanese actually invaded Thailand, Thailand agreed to let Japanese troops pass their country after a few hours of fighting (later the Thai Government "explained" that the arrival of the Japanese was all planned and agreed beforehand) and then Thailand declared war on the Allies. So I suppose, if you allow them to travel through your country, it is not an "invasion" and the 150,000 Japanese troops that were stationed in Thailand were only tourists.

Incidentally, the Thai Ambassador to the US refused to hand in the Thai declaration of war and the USA therefore considered itself not at war with Thailand. After the war, Thailand made peace treaties with the UK and Australia, but that has not been necessary with the USA.

As I read the post here from all the unhappy guys dealing with the BS from girls and MP in BKk, I am here to let you know you do not have to put up with all the BS in Bkk. Others girls in other countries will treat you better. I am just back from 4 days in Malaysia, Kulala Lumpur. The girls at the MP, called Spas, were excellent, far better then the Thai girl MP. Also, the mama service level was higher. And, it was cheaper. I know this is not the Malaysia section, but my point is this. If Bkk is not meeting your expectations for sexual enjoyment, check out other countries, many are far better then Bkk.

Bkk is living off its reputation of the past. The Bkk of today, and Thailand for that matter, is not the best place for men like us. The good news is, there are lots of other Asian countries that will welcome you with open legs!

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1734085]As I read the post here from all the unhappy guys dealing with the BS from girls and MP in BKk, I am here to let you know you do not have to put up with all the BS in Bkk. Others girls in other countries will treat you better. I am just back from 4 days in Malaysia, Kulala Lumpur. The girls at the MP, called Spas, were excellent, far better then the Thai girl MP. Also, the mama service level was higher. And, it was cheaper. I know this is not the Malaysia section, but my point is this. If Bkk is not meeting your expectations for sexual enjoyment, check out other countries, many are far better then Bkk.

Bkk is living off its reputation of the past. The Bkk of today, and Thailand for that matter, is not the best place for men like us. The good news is, there are lots of other Asian countries that will welcome you with open legs![/QUOTE]Well stated. Yes, fun can be had in KL. Of course some of us have gals and other ties here in BKK and that keeps us hanging on. Personally if I did not have any ties I would be looking at not only other Asian countries, but other parts of the world as well.

How many times have you been in Bkk and some Thai girl complains or makes a comment about your larger size di_k. Or, you have been in a go go bar or MP and the Thai girls do not even look at you, because they fear the Western man's larger size cock. Have you been made to feel having a larger size cock in Bkk is a sin!

Or, have you been told by a Thai girl that you f_ck too long. Or worest, tell you to hurry up and finish. Well, I have encounter all these BS problems over the many years I have lived in Bkk and I am f_cken tired of it. But, there is good news to this story. I am just back from a trip to Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta. Had fun in both places, but what stood out in Jakarta Spas, e. g. , Classic Hotel Spa, was that the girls I was with (5 in 3 days) loved to f_ck and they loved a man with a larger then average size di_k. Wow, what I happy relief from the Bkk BS I hear from the BKk girls. Also, the Jakarta sex was better then any sex I have had in Bkk in a long time, plus the price was cheaper them Bkk MP or Go Gos and the service was way better. And in Jakarta, non of the surcharge BS many Thai MP charge. The service was very good from the mama at the MP, or Spa as it is called in Jakarta, and I was made to feel like I was an important customer to them...unlike Bkks MPs or Go Go bars.

I know this is a Bkk post section, but consider this a public service announcemnet:

If you tired of the Bkk girls who complain about your di_k size in Bkk, head to Jakaarta, where the girls there love to f_ck and they enjoy big di_ks. I am not kidding about this. Also, I like the looks of the Jakarta girls better then the Thai girls. So many Thai girls in Bkk think they are hot shit hookers. But the Jakarta girls are just as cute and do not have an attitude. As I have always said, if Bkk is not meeting your sexual expectaitons, go somewhere else that appricates you. I will for sure be heading back to Jakarta. And when I retire from wokring in Bkk, I will be leaving and heading to Jakarta.

And if you are worried it is a Muslim country, need not worry. I was there and everyone I met was nice and I never had a problem. And for sure, the Big MPs, or Spas as they call them in Jakarta, provided a much higher customer service level then any MP your will find in Bkk.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1734249]How many times have you been in Bkk and some Thai girl complains or makes a comment about your larger size di_k. Or, you have been in a go go bar or MP and the Thai girls do not even look at you, because they fear the Western man's larger size cock. Have you been made to feel having a larger size cock in Bkk is a sin!

Or, have you been told by a Thai girl that you f_ck too long. Or worest, tell you to hurry up and finish. Well, I have encounter all these BS problems over the many years I have lived in Bkk and I am f_cken tired of it. But, there is good news to this story. I am just back from a trip to Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta. Had fun in both places, but what stood out in Jakarta Spas, e. g. , Classic Hotel Spa, was that the girls I was with (5 in 3 days) loved to f_ck and they loved a man with a larger then average size di_k. Wow, what I happy relief from the Bkk BS I hear from the BKk girls. Also, the Jakarta sex was better then any sex I have had in Bkk in a long time, plus the price was cheaper them Bkk MP or Go Gos and the service was way better. And in Jakarta, non of the surcharge BS many Thai MP charge. The service was very good from the mama at the MP, or Spa as it is called in Jakarta, and I was made to feel like I was an important customer to them...unlike Bkks MPs or Go Go bars.

I know this is a Bkk post section, but consider this a public service announcemnet:

If you tired of the Bkk girls who complain about your di_k size in Bkk, head to Jakaarta, where the girls there love to f_ck and they enjoy big di_ks. I am not kidding about this. Also, I like the looks of the Jakarta girls better then the Thai girls. So many Thai girls in Bkk think they are hot shit hookers. But the Jakarta girls are just as cute and do not have an attitude. As I have always said, if Bkk is not meeting your sexual expectaitons, go somewhere else that appricates you. I will for sure be heading back to Jakarta. And when I retire from wokring in Bkk, I will be leaving and heading to Jakarta.

And if you are worried it is a Muslim country, need not worry. I was there and everyone I met was nice and I never had a problem. And for sure, the Big MPs, or Spas as they call them in Jakarta, provided a much higher customer service level then any MP your will find in Bkk.[/QUOTE]I rotate between Bangkok and Jakarta and have for the last 15 years. I can tell you that this is not accurate. As a matter of fact, I have had more problems in Jakarta for being a white guy than I ever had in Bangkok. I don't know which places you visited (other than Hotel Classic - which is a horrible place for a good fuck most times. They accept white guys, but I've had more starfishes there and Hotel Travel than anywhere I've ever been), but there are places in Jakarta where the girls won't even consider going with a white guy due to fear he has a large penis. If you had 5 good girls at Hotel Classic, that's about the same number of good fucks I have had there in the 10 years I've been going there, and I've tried over 100 of them. I have far more success at Soi Cowboy or Nana than I have ever had at Hotel Classic. Hell, I was recently in Bangkok and had a girl at Teen Massage on soi 33 and she was awesome, I walked out telling my buddy from Jakarta "you won't find anything that good at Hotel Classic! Damn I miss Bangkok.". Just like Bangkok, it depends on the place and the girl. I've had good girls in both Bangkok and Jakarta (and pretty much everywhere else in the world), but I've been turned down for being white (due to fear of dick size) far far more times in Jakarta than in Bangkok. If you want women who pretty much always prefer men with larger penises, try American women and African women.

If you had some good luck on your visit, that's great. But I would not assume that Jakarta is better than Bangkok for that, because in my experience, it is not. I'd say they are pretty much equivalent. And the girls rotate where they are better in Bangkok on occasion and then they are better in Jakarta on occasion (depending on the venues you visit and luck you have with the girls you meet). Just like Nana is better than Soi Cowboy at times, and vice-versa.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;1733765]I just returned to Europe after two months in Bangkok.

Mostly I met with "former" contact from visits before that I found true Thaifriendly and / or Craiglist and of course I am building up new contacts for refreshment. Stayed two months in Bangkok and had a reasonable number of girls in my apartment and only gave one time a girl 500 THB for taxi money (unasked and around 2:00 AM in the morning).

Some weeks ago I met a 30+ years old girl at the Hyatt on a Friday evening late (actually it was already Saturday morning). She was around 5 ft8/175 cm, dressed in a black dress and she spoke very good English.

We met at the smoking place and started conversation, she told me she didn't want to go into because on Friday and Saturday they have a 800 or 900 THB ticket entrance policy for girls (and some unknown male visitors).

I was standing at the smoking area with a Heineken and she asked where I wanted to go. I said that I would go to my place (Sukhumvite Asok) but that I would like to check out Levels before.

She was not from Bangkok but came only to BKK sometimes when she needed some extra cash.

She didn't now Levels and invited my offer to buy here a drink there so in the taxi to Soi 11 we continued the conversation including some cuddling and quick kissing.

At Levels, which was really packed on this Friday night, I bought here a drink and quickly we split. Around 30 minutes later I was talking to another sweety that I now from face, she came accross and winked to me. I told the other girl that I needed to go to the toilet and my "Spasso" girl said I am going back to Spasso because I can't work here.

We exchanged line accounts and we split.

Two days later Sunday afternoon we had line contact.

She told me that she was "unlucky" as she didn't had nobody the Friday and not on the Saturday, she said I try again tonight knowing that at midnight the alcohol ban would be in place.

I invited her for a dinner in the early Sunday evening. From the conversation before I did not want to ask here to come over to my place (sure I was horny enough but I could get the same for free or nearly free; so why would I.).

Today she messaged me: yesterday evening she met a German male and she told me she was lucky.

After my question: tell me more. She said the German guy paid her Euro 300.

I asked what you had to do for that and she said two times sex with him (and I assume she stayed over for the night).

WTF a German visitor (he stayed at the Marriott) paid her 300 Euro (which is more than THB 11.000) plus 500 THB in local currency for taxi.

I don't want to say that he was stupid.

If he would met this girl in Cologne, Berlin or Stuttgart and she would go with him and stayed over for a night, with two time sex, 300 Euro's would be cheap.

But guys please: take in mind that most girls (even who work in Spasso) sometimes do not earn THB 11.000 in one month (and they have to work 6 days a week for that).

This girl would have had (based on my former conversation) also accept THB 5. 000 for the same service.

Just my two.[/QUOTE]Your advice is not worth 2 centavos sir. You chase free pussy and at best paid for one taxi ride of 500 baht. Your punting advice is like asking an electrician for plumbing advice.

That's my 2 cents

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1734252]I rotate between Bangkok and Jakarta and have for the last 15 years. I can tell you that this is not accurate. As a matter of fact, I have had more problems in Jakarta for being a white guy than I ever had in Bangkok. I don't know which places you visited (other than Hotel Classic - which is a horrible place for a good fuck most times. They accept white guys, but I've had more starfishes there and Hotel Travel than anywhere I've ever been), but there are places in Jakarta where the girls won't even consider going with a white guy due to fear he has a large penis. If you had 5 good girls at Hotel Classic, that's about the same number of good fucks I have had there in the 10 years I've been going there, and I've tried over 100 of them. I have far more success at Soi Cowboy or Nana than I have ever had at Hotel Classic. Hell, I was recently in Bangkok and had a girl at Teen Massage on soi 33 and she was awesome, I walked out telling my buddy from Jakarta "you won't find anything that good at Hotel Classic! Damn I miss Bangkok.". Just like Bangkok, it depends on the place and the girl. I've had good girls in both Bangkok and Jakarta (and pretty much everywhere else in the world), but I've been turned down for being white (due to fear of dick size) far far more times in Jakarta than in Bangkok. If you want women who pretty much always prefer men with larger penises, try American women and African women.

If you had some good luck on your visit, that's great. But I would not assume that Jakarta is better than Bangkok for that, because in my experience, it is not. I'd say they are pretty much equivalent. And the girls rotate where they are better in Bangkok on occasion and then they are better in Jakarta on occasion (depending on the venues you visit and luck you have with the girls you meet). Just like Nana is better than Soi Cowboy at times, and vice-versa.[/QUOTE]Often times, I forget to put a disclaimer on my post, which is "your mileage may vary. " Which means, the experience I had in a city or country may not be the same experience the next guy will have in that same city or country. Also, I am not white, so I cannot relate to the issues you had. However, it was a white expat friend that suggested I try Jakarta. He loves Jakarta and is currently retired their after working in Bkk. So we have two men of the same color with completely different outcomes. As for me, I have not had any issues or problems in Jakarta and I have been accepted at the places I go to in Jakarta and treated very well.

You are assuming because you had a bad time in Jakarta, everyone will have the exact same experience as you did. Of course, that is not ture. What you experienced in Jakarta is accurate for you, but it does not apply to all other men who visit there. Asia ofers tons of sex options for men, if one country does not fit a guys needs, I always recommend trying another country until you find something you like.

Another factor that affects the sexual relathionship with hookers, is the guy himself. How does he look, how does he smell, how does he dress, how does he interact with the girl. Is he nice or aggressive. Is he rude or poltie, etc. I do not know you and I cannot pass judgement. However, my white expat friend in Jakarta is a businessman, well dressed, middle aged, tall and well built. Again, based on his high recommendations to me about Jakarta and his feedback, he never mentioned any issues with being whitle or being turned down because of his color. It was just the opposite, that is, he had a great time with the girls at, for example, Classic Hotel Spa, and he was a regular customer.

Since this is a Bkk post, I will not provide anymore information regarding the topic of Jakarta here.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1734249]If you tired of the Bkk girls who complain about your di_k size in Bkk, head to Jakarta[/QUOTE]Bangkok is way more friendly than Jakarta. I have limited experience in Jakarta, but places like Classic and Travel are basically full of mafia-owned semi-slaves (and I'm not quick on that judgement). They have zero choice whatsoever in who they sleep, cannot go out for a holiday with you for a few days, and get about 100k of your 350k fee for the session. I can't believe you actually liked the mamasans there, they were pushy as hell and completely inconsiderate when I was there, basically relentless in pushing a girl onto me within 20 sec of entering the place, without my input at all.

Sure, Jakarta is cheaper, has way better looking girls and at several places there service is more standardized, due to heavier enforcement. Bangkok is more relaxed, and at least they mostly come and go as they please.

I have a feeling I'd get bored of Jakarta hookers rather quickly, the numbers are there, but far less range / depth / potential.

One thing Jakarta is surely better for is regular girls. White guys are still very much in demand and you can snag a great looking middle class GF who can hold a conversation and is interesting beyond bed, even if you're in your 40's or 50's. In Bangkok online dating scene, it's mostly floozies or damaged goods for the Farang (although the type of damage may not be obvious at first).

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1734303]Bangkok is way more friendly than Jakarta. I have limited experience in Jakarta, but places like Classic and Travel are basically full of mafia-owned semi-slaves (and I'm not quick on that judgement). They have zero choice whatsoever in who they sleep, cannot go out for a holiday with you for a few days, and get about 100k of your 350k fee for the session. I can't believe you actually liked the mamasans there, they were pushy as hell and completely inconsiderate when I was there, basically relentless in pushing a girl onto me within 20 sec of entering the place, without my input at all.

Sure, Jakarta is cheaper, has way better looking girls and at several places there service is more standardized, due to heavier enforcement. Bangkok is more relaxed, and at least they mostly come and go as they please.

I have a feeling I'd get bored of Jakarta hookers rather quickly, the numbers are there, but far less range / depth / potential.

One thing Jakarta is surely better for is regular girls. White guys are still very much in demand and you can snag a great looking middle class GF who can hold a conversation and is interesting beyond bed, even if you're in your 40's or 50's. In Bangkok online dating scene, it's mostly floozies or damaged goods for the Farang (although the type of damage may not be obvious at first).[/QUOTE]One of the problems with these comparisons between Jakarta and Bangkok (and I'm referring to those of a number of posters here, not just Crocodilexp) is unless one is familiar with the whole range of venues in Jakarta (or Bangkok) any comparison between the two cities' scenes is limited by the small slice experienced by the poster. For example, there has been a focus in the recent posts in this thread on Classic and Travel in Jakarta. Despite that I have spent a few hundred days in Jakarta over the course of the last few years, I rarely frequent either place owing to the on average rather poor service there relative to other places in Jakarta, perhaps, in part, owing to what Crocodilexp says about them. Regarding service and friendliness they are the worst Jakarta has to offer. It would be like condemning the service levels in Bangkok by what one experiences at Nataree rather than at the PSE oilies. It just doesn't compute.

I honestly cannot say there is more racism directed at western mongers in Indonesia than Thailand. I also honestly cannot say the reverse. I suppose if I spent my time frequenting those soapies with huge farang surcharges in Bangkok I would say Thailand is more racist. OTOH, if I spent a lot of time at the now deceased Dolly's in Surabaya, where many of the places would not service bules (foreigners) I would say Indonesia. Frankly, I have experienced some but not much racism in both Jakarta and Bangkok although I tend to think in Jakarta the girls at some establishments (particularly those who do not speak any English) may simply be shying away from something unfamiliar, whereas in Bangkok it may be more calculated (e.g. , thinking westerners take too long, etc.).

But if one moves away from the issue of racism, I have found both Thais and Indonesians generally friendly although the edge goes to the Indonesians, in part because their friendliness seems more genuine and less reserved. But others may have different reactions.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1734303]
Sure, Jakarta is cheaper, has way better looking girls.[/QUOTE]Personally, I think Thai girls are better looking than Indo girls on the average. I've lived in Jakarta for 15 years though, and spent 6 months in Indonesia and only maybe 3 months in Thailand each year during that time, so maybe Thai girls are a bit more exotic for me. I spend 1. 5 million rupiah per night in Jakarta and 3,600 baht per night for a similar girl in Bangkok so the price is about the same.

After reading the feedback here about places like Travel and Classic, I checked the recent post in the Jakarta section going back one month. The post were not by me and I do not know the men who made the post. As you can read for yourself, the comments were generally good to very good about, for example, Classic Spa (which is way cheaper then most Bkk MPs). In fact, one white guy wrote that white guys are still in demand in Jakarta. An Aussie wrote, he actually prefer Jakarta over Bangkok.

So, for whatever reason, we have two groups of men. Men who like Bkk over Jakarta. And men who like Jakarta over BKk. But this is just fine because with so many sexual services in Asia, every men is free to seek out which country provides the best sex service for him.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1734318]One of the problems with these comparisons between Jakarta and Bangkok... any comparison between the two cities' scenes is limited by the small slice experienced by the poster. [/QUOTE]That's a very good point. I'm not making definite judgements, only offering personal experience. Have been in Bangkok for many years, but my experience in Jakarta is limited to a number of sessions at Travel / Classic / Kalijodo, plus a disappointing visit to near-empty Top Gun. Didn't really care to go to any of the 1 M++ rupiah (2500++ THB) places, at that point it's more worthwhile for me to get dates with civilians (I'm fortunate to be in my 40's so that's not off the table).

However, given the marked decline of Bangkok (across all scenes), comparisons are definitely interesting / relevant, and it's good to hear various perspectives.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1734326]Personally, I think Thai girls are better looking than Indo girls on the average. I've lived in Jakarta for 15 years though, and spent 6 months in Indonesia and only maybe 3 months in Thailand each year during that time, so maybe Thai girls are a bit more exotic for me. [/QUOTE]

My situation is the exact inverse. Many years in Thailand, not much time in Jakarta, and Indos seem more exotic.

One thing that seems objective is that Jakarta prostitutes are much better looking relative to the looks of the general population (even at lower end places) compared to Bangkok. Over the last few years, in Bangkok prostitution venues I have a feeling I'm sifting through the bottom of the barrel of Thai women looks-wise (hell, even some street vendors look more attractive these days). In Indonesia I don't think that's the case. Sure, Classic/Travel girls are a more frumpy than the mall girls, but not that much.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1734517]That's a very good point. I'm not making definite judgements, only offering personal experience. Have been in Bangkok for many years, but my experience in Jakarta is limited to a number of sessions at Travel / Classic / Kalijodo, plus a disappointing visit to near-empty Top Gun. Didn't really care to go to any of the 1 M++ rupiah (2500++ THB) places, at that point it's more worthwhile for me to get dates with civilians (I'm fortunate to be in my 40's so that's not off the table).

However, given the marked decline of Bangkok (across all scenes), comparisons are definitely interesting / relevant, and it's good to hear various perspectives.



My situation is the exact inverse. Many years in Thailand, not much time in Jakarta, and Indos seem more exotic.

One thing that seems objective is that Jakarta prostitutes are much better looking relative to the looks of the general population (even at lower end places) compared to Bangkok. Over the last few years, in Bangkok prostitution venues I have a feeling I'm sifting through the bottom of the barrel of Thai women looks-wise (hell, even some street vendors look more attractive these days). In Indonesia I don't think that's the case. Sure, Classic/Travel girls are a more frumpy than the mall girls, but not that much.[/QUOTE]Overall I have found the "looks" of BKK working girls to be in decline for quite a time. And of course the scene in general has declined big time, markedly since the floods of '11. That being said I don't think I could live in Jakarta. It is a real pain in the ass to get around and I think the food is far better in BKK.

P4 P the PSE oilies seem to be going through a bit of a resurgence. There are more gals and the service is a bit more consistent with times past. Perhaps with fewer customers (many gals at the shops are complaining) they are finally realizing that service will be what makes or breaks them.

You guys definitely aren't doing a good job at motivating new guys going to BKK. Maybe I'll skip BKK altogether. Never seen so much negativity before. Oh wait, yes I have. Sirioja in the Germany FKK threads.