Seeking Arrangements

I agree. SBs spoil us so much that normal sex with regular partners, particularly wife, is ruined.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2689163]Just had the SB I posted about earlier over for what turned out to be 43 hours (Thursday afternoon to Saturday morning) of utter debauchery (some, but not enough sleep).

In what world is it possible for me to spend that amount of time with a fit, athletic, beautiful, clever, enthralling combination of innocence and sluttiness, submissive and kinky as fuck 19 year old girl?

She's ruined normal sex for me. And presented me with a problem. I really want to spend the rest of my leave just seeing how far I can push her. And we've gone plenty fat already![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JJanni;2689163]Just had the SB I posted about earlier over for what turned out to be 43 hours (Thursday afternoon to Saturday morning) of utter debauchery (some, but not enough sleep).

In what world is it possible for me to spend that amount of time with a fit, athletic, beautiful, clever, enthralling combination of innocence and sluttiness, submissive and kinky as fuck 19 year old girl?

She's ruined normal sex for me. And presented me with a problem. I really want to spend the rest of my leave just seeing how far I can push her. And we've gone plenty fat already![/QUOTE]Tell us more! What kind of debauchery?

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2688931]SA itself has changed. They used to have FWB as one of the "seeking" metrics. They removed it now and replaced with luxury, etc. 4 to 5 years ago..........

And of course, FwB was synonymous with sex but they removed that also from their tags.[/QUOTE]Interesting historical background on Seeking.

What is your take on "No Strings Attached" and "Discretion"? These Seeking descriptors seem sexually provocative. Obviously, FWB spells it out clearly.

There also the many attractive, young women posing in skimpy bikinis. That certainly confuses a few newbies, but these girls have to distinguish themselves one way or another. Attractive girls have to flaunt it particularly if they want a long-term sugar daddy.

[QUOTE=SonicBoom1;2689323]Tell us more! What kind of debauchery?[/QUOTE]She's heavily into bondage and pain. As it turns out, I am too with her.

She responds to it orgasmically. A total pleasure response, like a mini orgasm. She is a quite adorable and we'll spoken little teen that loves to be abused and degraded and treated like your little fuck toy.

Just far too much debauchery to go into a blow by blow. At one point, I had her dressed up in a little skirt, crotchless panties, a ballgag and blindfold, tied down. And she let me invite a friend over to walk in and fuck her.

I'm not even sure that's the kinkiest thing we've done.

If I saw someone else posting this, I would call bullshit. I wish it was. She's bad for me and I have to stop seeing her.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2689396]She's heavily into bondage and pain. As it turns out, I am too with her.

She responds to it orgasmically. A total pleasure response, like a mini orgasm. She is a quite adorable and we'll spoken little teen that loves to be abused and degraded and treated like your little fuck toy.

Just far too much debauchery to go into a blow by blow. At one point, I had her dressed up in a little skirt, crotchless panties, a ballgag and blindfold, tied down. And she let me invite a friend over to walk in and fuck her.

I'm not even sure that's the kinkiest thing we've done.

If I saw someone else posting this, I would call bullshit. I wish it was. She's bad for me and I have to stop seeing her.[/QUOTE]Enjoy the ride mate, I can understand your situation.

Been thru, done that.

Peace.

Cheers.

My second month on seeking just expired so thought I'the share my experiences so far. My goal was to find a consistent arrangement but I haven't found it yet.

Girl 1: The semi pro. This was a mistake but I got suckered by her pictures because she had a huge rack. She was older than 30, messaged me first and was very direct ie what are you looking for, asked about allowance quickly. When we got to the room, she came prepared with condoms and lube. I didn't find her attractive without her clothes on and didn't fuck her. After this, I only looked for younger girls and avoided ones that messaged first.

Girl 2: The only girl I've seen more than once. She was going back to school so not a pro but liked to party and do drugs. I covered the first meet in [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2675890&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2675890. Second meet was lackluster. No DFK, she was basically a star fish but at least this time I fucked her.

Girl 3: I wanted this one to become consistent but she's flaked multiple times so pretty sure it's over. This was my first really good SA experience. [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2681866[/URL]#post2681866. We'the both been tested and she was ok with CIP. Really sexual too which I haven't found with other girls yet. In between 2 and 3, I got a rx for V which I took for the first time with 3. It definitely helped and is especially helpful for me with condoms.

Girl 4: Not a pro but probably a coke working girl. This one kind of fucked me up, you can find the post if you're interested. Agreed to meet same night for a drink before coming back to hotel. It was the first time I had period sex. Felt bad about fucking her after but recently got a text saying she'the been under the weather because she'the done too much drugs. Probably should've passed and glad I used a condom but sex was fun and enthusiastic.

Girl 5: This was kind of a desperation fuck since 2 cancelled on me again. Only girl I met at the hotel. Porn star looking photos and very escort-why sex. No DFK, straight to fucking, only one I didn't finger. Fake tits, but nicely done. Had an only fans too. Lesson from 1 and 5: if the photos look too good to be true, they probably are. Pornstar look isn't for me.

Girl 6: Nice and to the point. Met up for coffee then to the hotel. First time using day use and worked well. She asked before the meet if it was just coffee or intimacy as well which I appreciated. Think she'the be open to a regular arrangement but not sure I liked her that much. Really good head though.

I met 5 girls for platonic meets. Two of them I weren't really into, one had high expectations and one I'm hoping turns into something regular.

It is frustrating how much time it takes. I'll have what seems like a good conversation going, get a number then poof vs a girl who gives one word answers down to meet up. I haven't decided if I'll renew for another month but happened to get 3 messages the day it expired. Maybe if the one turns into something regular I'll forget all about seeking.

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2680528]So like most things that start in SA there is and probably should be a clear end. I believe I just got to the end with my Nicaraguan SA girl. We spent one last weekend together in Nicaragua in my trip last week. We ended up having an entire colonial house in Granada to ourselves for 2 nights and days including a pool. I only paid for one room in the house but such is Nicaragua right now. I brought her some nice brand clothing from the states that I have access to for really low prices. I left the original full price tags on if course. She loved them and the thought behind them even though I messed up one of the sizes because I just forgot how tiny her waist is.

It was a great weekend. We pretty much swam and made out in the pool, tried out some great restaurants, talked and shagged all weekend. 6 sessions in all. We are comfortable with each other, maybe a little too comfortable which why as much as I like her I am kind of glad we have hit the natural end. By the time I return to Nicaragua she is likely to have moved back to Switzerland and the probability we are in the same city or near enough to see each other again is small. We both know this and have exchanged WhatsApps wishing each other well and grateful for the times we were able to spend together. I will remember her fondly. Willing to out up with my bad but improving Spanish..[/QUOTE]Nicaragua is paradise, one of the best and easiest places for SA.

Peace.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;2689409]Enjoy the ride mate, I can understand your situation.

Been thru, done that.

Peace.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]This girl is a train crash waiting to happen. But I just can't resist one more ride.

I've spent more on her than any seeking girl I ever thought I would, spent more time with her than I ever thought I would. And I like her more than I ever thought I would.

It isn't just the wild, crazy and unhinged sex. It's everything.

When we first met, she was so freaking shy and nervous despite all the kinky things she told me she was into. She almost bailed on the meeting. She hasn't seen anyone else on seeking (she showed me her seeking inbox, I'm one of the few she actually replied to. Also showed me her WhatsApp, a few conversations going nowhere.).

Super protective of her at this point. She put herself in an extremely vulnerable position with me and it could go so badly if she does the same with someone else. I've been talking to her, trying to help her stay safe. She knows I'm out of here by next week.

I'm just wishing I was a proper sugar daddy. Could take her exclusive and limit the worst excesses of her behaviour.

Kinda just hoping after our last time together, she finds that decent, kind pervert who'll respect her and pay her a huge allowance to spend two days a week chained up in his mansion (she'd love that).

Or even better, she sorts her life out, lives her dreams etc.

Sounds like I'm falling for the girl, but I'm not. I'm not like that. She's just super sweet (like how can a girl who likes getting whipped and begs you to cum in inside her be this adorable? Intelligent, funny (only a 13 year age gap and I'm a man child, so we're on the same wave length) and we've been having the wildest and kinkiest sex of my life that she is super into.

Either way, I'm out of here. She's not just bad for me despite all that, I'm bad for her too I think. She's the Sid to my Nancy or vice versa.

Seeing her one last time and then I'm putting 8000 miles between us for a couple of months.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2690255]This girl is a train crash waiting to happen. But I just can't resist one more ride.

I've spent more on her than any seeking girl I ever thought I would, spent more time with her than I ever thought I would. And I like her more than I ever thought I would.

It isn't just the wild, crazy and unhinged sex. It's everything.

When we first met, she was so freaking shy and nervous despite all the kinky things she told me she was into. She almost bailed on the meeting. She hasn't seen anyone else on seeking (she showed me her seeking inbox, I'm one of the few she actually replied to. Also showed me her WhatsApp, a few conversations going nowhere.).

Super protective of her at this point. She put herself in an extremely vulnerable position with me and it could go so badly if she does the same with someone else. I've been talking to her, trying to help her stay safe. She knows I'm out of here by next week.

I'm just wishing I was a proper sugar daddy. Could take her exclusive and limit the worst excesses of her behaviour.

Kinda just hoping after our last time together, she finds that decent, kind pervert who'll respect her and pay her a huge allowance to spend two days a week chained up in his mansion (she'd love that).

Or even better, she sorts her life out, lives her dreams etc.

Sounds like I'm falling for the girl, but I'm not. I'm not like that. She's just super sweet (like how can a girl who likes getting whipped and begs you to cum in inside her be this adorable? Intelligent, funny (only a 13 year age gap and I'm a man child, so we're on the same wave length) and we've been having the wildest and kinkiest sex of my life that she is super into.

Either way, I'm out of here. She's not just bad for me despite all that, I'm bad for her too I think. She's the Sid to my Nancy or vice versa.

Seeing her one last time and then I'm putting 8000 miles between us for a couple of months.[/QUOTE]Love to keep up on your adventure. Isn't it simply amazing the "relationship" you can build in such a short time with the right SA girl? Of course all the naysayers say too much work to find the gems. But when u find them it's amazing and worth all the time money and effort. And seriously where else can u find this dynamic — u will never have what u have with her with a hooker. No possible way. And it's such an interesting dynamic - sugar daddy isn't far off - because it's mostly boyfriend girlfriend but with definite paternal caring instincts invoked as well.

It is likely very good you have to part ways because despite what you say (not falling for her) there are def feelings involved both ways and she sounds like a bit of a train wreck that could suck you in to collateral damage. Keeping the right distance is a tough balance and fortunately circumstances are helping with that.

I'm finding myself with def feels with Shayla. It goes well beyond a paid arrangement in both directions and the time together is magical. Obv eyes wide open that it's not a permanent thing and surely the short time together helps to keep from seeing too many flaws and realities. But damn I adore her. Enjoying while it lasts.

Just got back from a few days in Mexico City. Saw a girl I dug the first time around. Tiny, cute, 20 years younger.

There is a dynamic in the air that's unmistakable. Some SA girls are all business. But some you can tell are wondering what if. What would it be like with this guy. What if we made a life. It shows up in the conversation. Questions like what do you want in your life that take sideways paths and soon you're imagining bringing this chick home and wondering how long you'd enjoy having her there when you wake up.

It's clear there's a savior thing going on here. I'm an attractive, educated, financially secure guy. I know what I represent to some of these girls. I know that I look like an alternative life and they play out that fantasy with me in their heads also.

But I stop. I pull myself out of it sharply. Why? I know what I am. I'd never be in front of them without my passport, bank account, and desire for 20 year old chicks. This is a brief fantasy we play out but it has no foundation. It's a brief charade. It's an escape. It's like going on vacation and thinking you should buy a time share, which you definitely should not. It's like going to a great restaurant and buying the cookbook you'll never use. There's wisdom in knowing that a great meal is just that. A great meal, and not a pivotal moment in your life.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2690266]Love to keep up on your adventure. Isn't it simply amazing the "relationship" you can build in such a short time with the right SA girl? Of course all the naysayers say too much work to find the gems. But when u find them it's amazing and worth all the time money and effort. And seriously where else can u find this dynamic u will never have what u have with her with a hooker. No possible way. And it's such an interesting dynamic - sugar daddy isn't far off - because it's mostly boyfriend girlfriend but with definite paternal caring instincts invoked as well.

It is likely very good you have to part ways because despite what you say (not falling for her) there are def feelings involved both ways and she sounds like a bit of a train wreck that could suck you in to collateral damage. Keeping the right distance is a tough balance and fortunately circumstances are helping with that..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2690266]Love to keep up on your adventure. Isn't it simply amazing the "relationship" you can build in such a short time with the right SA girl? Of course all the naysayers say too much work to find the gems. But when u find them it's amazing and worth all the time money and effort. And seriously where else can u find this dynamic u will never have what u have with her with a hooker. No possible way. And it's such an interesting dynamic - sugar daddy isn't far off - because it's mostly boyfriend girlfriend but with definite paternal caring instincts invoked as well.

It is likely very good you have to part ways because despite what you say (not falling for her) there are def feelings involved both ways and she sounds like a bit of a train wreck that could suck you in to collateral damage. Keeping the right distance is a tough balance and fortunately circumstances are helping with that.

I'm finding myself with def feels with Shayla. It goes well beyond a paid arrangement in both directions and the time together is magical. Obv eyes wide open that it's not a permanent thing and surely the short time together helps to keep from seeing too many flaws and realities. But damn I adore her. Enjoying while it lasts.[/QUOTE]So true, I have been with the model in MTY for over 2 years now. She is my best friend, but something is definitely up. She is on look down with her parents visiting, but she is becoming more distant. We will see.

I hooked up with the Venz. Doctor last night in MTY great night, she is a total freak as well and far more interesting then the model. Life is good. Hard work and a decent budget you can have a great time on SA, especially in other countries.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2690266]Love to keep up on your adventure. Isn't it simply amazing the "relationship" you can build in such a short time with the right SA girl? Of course all the naysayers say too much work to find the gems. But when u find them it's amazing and worth all the time money and effort. And seriously where else can u find this dynamic u will never have what u have with her with a hooker. No possible way. And it's such an interesting dynamic - sugar daddy isn't far off - because it's mostly boyfriend girlfriend but with definite paternal caring instincts invoked as well.

It is likely very good you have to part ways because despite what you say (not falling for her) there are def feelings involved both ways and she sounds like a bit of a train wreck that could suck you in to collateral damage. Keeping the right distance is a tough balance and fortunately circumstances are helping with that.

I'm finding myself with def feels with Shayla. It goes well beyond a paid arrangement in both directions and the time together is magical. Obv eyes wide open that it's not a permanent thing and surely the short time together helps to keep from seeing too many flaws and realities. But damn I adore her. Enjoying while it lasts.[/QUOTE]Over the last week or so, I had been toying with the idea of hanging around the UK to see what trouble I could get into with her. She is up for sex in any form and combination you can think of. When we were off our face, we made a profile together on a swinging website. And got absolutely flooded with offers from couples and women.

Having a 5'4, auburn haired, freckle faced, extremely beautiful (she took out the piercings and grew her hair, she'd be catwalk. I like her just how she is) in shape (she had abs) with a whole lotta ass bisexusl 19 year old who is 100 percent submissive and 100 percent kinky on your arm opens a lot of doors in that community.

The other option (she is up for both, being a broke unofficially dropped out student) is taking her with me out of the UK. I haven't floated the idea, but there's no doubt in my mind she'd be up for visiting sex tourist destinations and partaking.

Fortunately for me (and her), when I'm free of her beguiling influence for a few days, common sense prevails.

Both of those stories would end up with one / both of us dead or in prison.

She's messed me up and I think I've messed her up.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2690281]But I stop. I pull myself out of it sharply. Why? I know what I am. I'd never be in front of them without my passport, bank account, and desire for 20 year old chicks. This is a brief fantasy we play out but it has no foundation. It's a brief charade. It's an escape. It's like going on vacation and thinking you should buy a time share, which you definitely should not. It's like going to a great restaurant and buying the cookbook you'll never use. There's wisdom in knowing that a great meal is just that. A great meal, and not a pivotal moment in your life.[/QUOTE]I love this paragraph. My SB whom I would travelled together. When at home we would see each other each week. Some weeks out and about visiting different venues other times she would cook dinner in at her house. She was an amazing, fashionable dresser and had style. Things I don't have. She was a great entertainer. Over time I started to see a life with her, expand my career with her in it. She could sure open doors while I did the business. Of course I was paying a reasonable weekly allowance but here I was with her considering leaving my own wonderful marriage for a woman 20 years my junior that already had two failed marriages.

She was just my weekly escape, my moments to myself.

As soon as I stopped the allowance she would not see me again.

The girls we meet as SD / SB are damaged, perhaps in the same way we ourselves are. A long term 'relationship' cannot work.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2690281]Just got back from a few days in Mexico City. Saw a girl I dug the first time around. Tiny, cute, 20 years younger.

It's clear there's a savior thing going on here. I'm an attractive, educated, financially secure guy. I know what I represent to some of these girls. I know that I look like an alternative life and they play out that fantasy with me in their heads also.[/QUOTE]Dude, why would you accept that you are just a john?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2690281]But I stop. I pull myself out of it sharply. Why? I know what I am. I'd never be in front of them without my passport, bank account, and desire for 20 year old chicks. This is a brief fantasy we play out but it has no foundation. It's a brief charade. It's an escape. It's like going on vacation and thinking you should buy a time share, which you definitely should not. It's like going to a great restaurant and buying the cookbook you'll never use. There's wisdom in knowing that a great meal is just that. A great meal, and not a pivotal moment in your life.[/QUOTE]I am shaking my head at your under confidence. I get it. I was like that too. You use whatever you have to in order to attract a woman. Keeping her is different: that requires character and personality. Keeping a good woman really is not about money.

I have committed to a woman 25 years younger than me, and it has been the best relationship of my life to date, and my friends keep telling me I nabbed a 10.

I was in a relationship with a girl I met with seeking before this one. If that had not happened, I would not have gotten this one. I made all the mistakes with that one but after it, I knew I could get a 10 and have her fall for me.

I was grateful for the advice I got from the forum here: the women like you for your money and not for you. The girls really want their novios not you. They really want you for a green card.

I should say I was grateful because those fools really believed it, and I did not. Those are just excuses for not getting a hot woman and to avoid getting hurt.

The thing is that if a woman is not just hot but a really good woman, she has options galore. She does not have to hang around you. When my gal and I went to Coco Boingo in Cancun, I had no idea she could dance like she did. She moved her hips like a Hawaiian doing the Hulu. When the camera panned around looking for hot women, I thought she would be first on the screen, and she was second.

There was not a guy there who was not interested in her. When she went to a club in Mexico City, she was harassed so much, she had to dance between two security guys. She could have had anyone but she wants me, and I have the self-confidence to believe that.

You are literally saying you are not good enough. She cannot love you but only your money and status. I do not know how great she is, but if she is, she has other options besides you. The best women do not stay on the market for long.

It is fucked up that I had to go through a breakup to realize that a woman really loved me for me, but I am glad it happened. It boosted my confidence.

Instead of checking yourself out of the game, realize that your brain wants love even when it is not there and when it is not, you are going to get hurt. So get objective sources. Have a family member or female friend meet your gal and ask them what they think and listen. It is so obvious to others whether the girl is into you or not. Before getting too serious, I had her meet a female friend of mine who gave us a thumbs up.

Maybe you are right to check out or maybe you are making the biggest mistake of your life. How about getting another opinion outside of your own?

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2690436]I love this paragraph. My SB whom I would travelled together. When at home we would see each other each week. Some weeks out and about visiting different venues other times she would cook dinner in at her house. She was an amazing, fashionable dresser and had style. Things I don't have. She was a great entertainer. Over time I started to see a life with her, expand my career with her in it. She could sure open doors while I did the business. Of course I was paying a reasonable weekly allowance but here I was with her considering leaving my own wonderful marriage for a woman 20 years my junior that already had two failed marriages.

She was just my weekly escape, my moments to myself.

As soon as I stopped the allowance she would not see me again..[/QUOTE]SA is like eating good tasty food in a nice restaurant, but we cannot eat the same food again and again. Maximum we can eat that food is once a week for me that is once a month so I have a minimum of 3-4 SBs with me in UAE and the maximum time I see each SB is once in 10 days never more, she has to be hungry to see me and horny. I would choose my SB wisely someone who is a student or working 6 days a week so she has a busy life herself and even for her sex is a priority and the allowance is a big help plus my contacts in UAE for many works.

To each his own, I cannot pump the same girl all week long and everyday its not me, can't eat in the Burj Al Arab everyday for 7 day and night continuously, you need the road side shawarma and McDonalds also and Dubai is full of SA that you have so much variety to choose from.

Then I don't have time to take out these girls for dinner, drinks, clubs and beach clubs, I'm over that to me its only 2 hours we spend in a discreet hotel just us and I leave and she gets to use the beautiful hotel room for herself the whole day and next day with everything paid for her Instagram feeds or her friends to enjoy.

Cheers.

Now enjoying SA in different countries is even more better, miss my time in central America in SA wish I can come back.

Peace.