[QUOTE=Karen2;2528224]Can you tell me what is MMA fighter I don't know what is this please tell me.[/QUOTE]Very violent sport kicking with hands and feet. Like monkeys in a cage.
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[QUOTE=Karen2;2528224]Can you tell me what is MMA fighter I don't know what is this please tell me.[/QUOTE]Very violent sport kicking with hands and feet. Like monkeys in a cage.
[QUOTE=TonyMontanaaO7;2528640]The funny part was when West stated that he would run under the Birthday Party, because "when we win, it's everybody's birthday".[/QUOTE]That's actually one hell of a slogan, both for politics and marketing.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2528448]The concept of a "conspiracy theorist" in our current culture points to people like you that, in response to certain events, allege all sorts of nefarious schemes by people in power, usually aimed at strengthening their grips on the masses. It has a negative connation only because when people such as yourself are asked for proof of your claims, you provide none while bringing out the exclamation marks and turning on the cap key. And if any evidence ever is provided it's almost always easily debunked, or is only some song and dance that isn't evidence at all.[/QUOTE]I think at the center of your descriptive portrayal of a conspiracy theorist, is the fact that they allege a lot of things. As in, they make a lot of assumptions. They leave so much up to chance. That's a soft ass move. Alphas don't leave that much up to chance. Alphas make power moves, crushing over chance. Meanwhile, conspiracy theorists lead with assumptions and maybes. They lead with that shit, when it should be kept stored away as an afterthought.
They're soft. That's the base of your description, conspiracy theorists are soft ass mothafuckers.
After their own mutant killing so much until in Portugal, now south African mutant spread in UK who are forbidden in Germany, like red devils who are tested weekly. Wish vaccines will be efficient versus mutants, when Aztra Z is only for younger than 65, and not enough vaccine for older. Good deal could be sputnik versus Navalnyi and wife freedom, when Putin ex KGB loves so much money and fame. I remember arguing with few Russian escorts about him on our Russian nights.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2528762]Oh yes, and guess what? Despite 'doctor' Mursenary claiming that these "vaccines" are extensively tested and are safe in the long term, there is one common theme in both articles I linked: A lack of sufficient data from the clinical trials" and in German: "Liegen bisher keine ausreichenden Daten vor."[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2528149]I'll ask you again to cite the quote. Pretty sure what I said was something along the lines of it being tested with the same rigor as other clinical trials for other pharmaceuticals.
It would help if you know the difference between Phase III versus Phase IV trials and during which period drugs are approved. BTW, it's after phase III. That phase usually takes several years due to enrollment and finances but each patient is not followed for several years as part of Phase III. Each individual's role in phase III ends after several months. At that point, those individual patients have already begun Phase IV which has no bearing on initial drug approval. Meanwhile new patients are added to the pool of Phase III participants. Phase IV continues after drug approval and drugs are then recalled if negative effects are discovered.
You seem like the type who would normally complain about bureaucracy and government processes taking too long. As such, I'm sure your argument here is out of character and only serves for you to deploy your nonsensical agenda. But carry on.
And again regarding autoimmune "sickness," still waiting. Altering DNA? Still waiting. I'll add your recent accusations to the list that you have repeatedly failed to produce. Predictable and reliable in failure.[/QUOTE]Takes 2 seconds to quote these old posts. Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make it anymore true for the sensible. I'm sure you've managed to impress the easily impressionable though.
[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2528815]Obviously you had to adapt because you wrote you learned too, while working 13 h in a hospital. I don't work in hospital, no reason for me to adapt. I prefer face, smile, stuff like that, old world.
Without propaganda TV the "corona problem" would be only half as big as it looks like.
How often you change the mask, heard it's necessary every 2 hours? Lately the biggest "corona eruptions" in Germany happened in hospitals or places for older people. Maybe the nurses don't wear the right masks, made in China.
I worked for two different doctors in my life. Never again I can tell you. They made more money with diseases than with health. So not much motivation to keep people healthy. Spooky. Hope it's different where you from.[/QUOTE]Of course. It's not preference but I'm saying it's not an insurmountable injustice. In fact, it's now become a skill to be able to read expressions without having to rely on smiles and full facial features.
As far as the coronavirus being made to sound bigger than it is, let me offer the alternate scenario. Say it was not made into a big deal. Say Wuhan didn't lock down their city. Say we let things occurred like they did in Milan and NYC. I think even the skeptics here can agree that those cities were complete messes and the death tolls were real. If we actually didn't respond as if it was a big deal, would you not conclude that many more large metropolitan centers would have faced similar chaos and death tolls? Imagine if we didn't take heed from Italy and NYC, are you okay with similar death tolls spreading to Barcelona, Paris, London, Mexico City, Tokyo, Jakarta, Bangkok, Saigon, Mumbai, Cairo, Istanbul, Athens, Rio, and Sao Paulo? Perhaps if we let it run it's uncurbed course, the pandemic may have fizzled out in 6 months, but would the death toll would have been worth it? The healthcare system collapsed in those first 2 cities. Standards of care were thrown out the window. It would have been carnage across a dozen to dozens of metro areas, maybe more.
The situations in Milan and NYC continue to be a point where you naysayers have zero reasonably logical retort.
As far as profiteering doctors, I can't speak for non-western medicine but I don't share your experience. Personally, I work in critical care and emergency medicine, keeping people sick is not an option. As for private primary / general / family care practice, I give zero validity to claims that there is a significant number of western providers who's goal is to keep you sick in order to make more money. Now, due to the compensation system, is there a culture to see as many patients as possible, sacrificing quality care for quantity of care? I believe that to be true almost for sure. Do some providers just clock in but mentally check out, only to provide cookie cutter protocol-based care that sacrifices nuance and individualized care? For sure. But outright prevalent mal-intent or profiteering? It's that prevalent in the western world.
[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2528817]Nice you liked my response to "Expatlover". (Check original posts) Or are you his cousin? I never asked the Asians I met so far "Where you from?" Expect one, he was from south Korea. A very nice guy, very nice parents I guess.
Yes absolutely, before I have no other indication, I call people who look like Asians, Asians.
[/QUOTE]But if you impose the habits of one group of Asians to another group of culturally different Asians, you are doing a disservice. Not to mention that a Cambodians look as similar to Koreans as Greeks to Dutch.
Italians are Europeans and are social and outgoing, very warm in public, and often speak with their hands. Would you make the blanket statement that Europeans in general are also / do all of those things? No, you wouldn't do that when thinking of a German or Dane. I know you wouldn't. The rest of us in the world would like the same courtesy. Please and thank you.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528976]Of course. It's not preference but I'm saying it's not an insurmountable injustice. In fact, it's now become a skill to be able to read expressions without having to rely on smiles and full facial features.
As far as the coronavirus being made to sound bigger than it is, let me offer the alternate scenario. Say it was not made into a big deal. Say Wuhan didn't lock down their city. Say we let things occurred like they did in Milan and NYC. I think even the skeptics here can agree that those cities were complete messes and the death tolls were real. If we actually didn't respond as if it was a big deal, would you not conclude that many more large metropolitan centers would have faced similar chaos and death tolls? Imagine if we didn't take heed from Italy and NYC, are you okay with similar death tolls spreading to Barcelona, Paris, London, Mexico City, Tokyo, Jakarta, Bangkok, Saigon, Mumbai, Cairo, Istanbul, Athens, Rio, and Sao Paulo? Perhaps if we let it run it's uncurbed course, the pandemic may have fizzled out in 6 months, but would the death toll would have been worth it? The healthcare system collapsed in those first 2 cities. Standards of care were thrown out the window. It would have been carnage across a dozen to dozens of metro areas, maybe more.
The situations in Milan and NYC continue to be a point where you naysayers have zero reasonably logical retort..[/QUOTE]It was Bergamo in Italy, more than Milano, and I don't remember fridge trucks in streets there, but for sure too many deaths from covid and unfortunately not finished yet. I wonder which between 2020 and 2021 will have more deaths?
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528855]However, I do want to emphasize the third part that was somehow cut out though. I think that subgroup is the larger sect we see in many of the discussions on this forum. It seems that most of the people here, even as ridiculous as they sound, do have some sort of post secondary education. That observation to me just emphasizes the fact that not all university educations are created equal. I don't think an undergraduate business degree really teaches many hard skills and how to actually think and process information. Successful business majors probably would have been successful in that field even without a fancy university degree.[/QUOTE]Summarizing all three parts once more: (1) lower levels of education, (2) feeling powerless and disillusioned, and (3) wanting to be part of a group. Wouldn't these also be indicators or predictors for religious fervor? I believe that generalization to be true, but of course, amongst the ranks of the super-religious, there are also many powerful, educated, alphas, who have not been alienated from the group.
Bill Maher had this to say about the conspiracy theorist movement that is currently in the spotlight:
[QUOTE]If you accord religious faith the kind of exalted respect we do here in America, you've already lost the argument that mass delusion is bad.
Mega-churches play QAnon videos. It's the same basic plot. Q is the prophet, Trump is the messiah, there is an apocalyptic event looming. There is a titanic struggle of good versus evil. And if you want good to win, just keep those checks coming in.
We need to stop pretending there is no way we will ever understand why the Trump mob believes in him (QAnon). It is because they are religious. They've already made space in their heads for shit that does not make sense. When you are a QAnon fanatic, you are also a fundamentalist Christian. They just go together. That insurrection looked like a revival meeting with people praying around wooden crosses, waving the Christian flag, and "Jesus Saves" signs, yelling "Jesus is my saviour, Trump is my President"
https://youtu.be/zhTbtqOJA08..[/QUOTE]I am not sure if I share his opinion that QAnon and the Evangelical Christian communities are equivalent. Maher has a strong anti-religion stance. Personally, I have met Christian, Muslim, and Jews that are highly educated, sometimes in STEM fields, and I would like to believe that we had mutual respect for each other. I will say that they have never framed their beliefs as "facts". They acknowledge that their understanding of the world from a religious perspective is entirely faith-based.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2529011]It was Bergamo in Italy, more than Milano, and I don't remember fridge trucks in streets there, but for sure too many deaths from covid and unfortunately not finished yet. I wonder which between 2020 and 2021 will have more deaths?[/QUOTE]Yes, he is right that the town of Bergamo was the posterchild and media darling for the Italian crisis. Closer inspection however reveals that the Lombardy region which includes both Milan and Bergamo was suffering last spring. For perspective, in March, Bergamo had 1100 of the 3400 deaths in the entire Lombardy region, about a third. Hmmm, I wonder where the bulk of the other 2300 Lombardy deaths were? Could it have been in the largest Lombardy metro center of Milan? Hmmm, I wonder.
[URL]https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS-LOMBARDY/0100B5LT46P/index.html[/URL]
Anyway, meanwhile the army had to be called into Bergamo to haul away dead bodies. At the same time bodies were rotting in Italian homes waiting for 30 hours for a doctor to come declare them dead. They could have had the decency to at least keep the bodies cold in a fridge truck.
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/generation-has-died-italian-province-struggles-bury-coronavirus-dead[/URL]
Meanwhile, fast forward to February of 2021. The USA and most of Europe has passed its peak deaths and will likely enter a period of steady / slow decline. Most countries except for France of course. For some reason, while most other developed western nations have seen the worst, France continues to see a rise in both cases AND deaths. Even Spain who seem to lag behind others but still ahead of France has seen a decrease in cases and is currently about to exit its peak deaths. Meanwhile France continues the steady incline of both cases and deaths.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2529020]Summarizing all three parts once more: (1) lower levels of education, (2) feeling powerless and disillusioned, and (3) wanting to be part of a group. Wouldn't these also be indicators or predictors for religious fervor? I believe that generalization to be true, but of course, amongst the ranks of the super-religious, there are also many powerful, educated, alphas, who have not been alienated from the group..[/QUOTE]Nice observation in connecting the conspiracy theorist psychology to the [B]extremely[/B] religious sharing those three qualities. Those people have eerie similarities to those who become part of cults don't they? Thinking that they are special with access to privileged information, meanwhile they're just like other cattle being led to slaughter. I'm certain that I've read several editorials regarding ISIS members being indoctrinated into the group in the same manner as gangs and their members. They are given a sense of group belonging united in some cause, principal, or code of ethics, basically a cult. Deeply evangelical Christians indeed share similar characteristics, they just only attend meetings once a week on Sundays, sometimes Saturdays for some sects. And they are not actively encouraged to kill cultists of other cults or members of other gangs.
Side note, do you think a significant number of the religious alpha types are actually [B]super[/B] religious? Or were they just indoctrinated at a young age and just continue to reap the benefits of belonging or even having their guilt and fears of the afterlife assuaged? Or are they like those mega church preachers who pray on donations from the religious poor and naive elderly, think Billy Graham or even Donald Trump who professed to being a religious man. He couldn't even come up with a bible verse he admires or answer if he prefers the Old or the New Testament. Or even say "Second Corinthians" correctly, instead opting to say "Two Corinthians. " Anyway, he's a coward at heart that just wears an alpha suit anyway, so this diversion is beyond the point.
I do think that the ultra religious actually receive benefits from being a part of their cult. They actually do become empowered by the group and actually do get that sense of belonging. Conspiracy theorists however, especially those of the internet variety, never actually get that validation from others. They, in large, continue to be social outcasts which has a positive feedback loop causing them to dive further into their pathological psychology.
I will admit that I am doing a disservice. Those that seriously fall into the conspiracy theory world have been said to only be pushed further into that world when confronted or challenged. The gold standard of care for those people are to correct the root cause of illness. That root cause being, lack of authentic confidence, lack of belonging, and lack of education. Those are Maslow's higher level needs and enables a human to completely realize fulfillment. When fulfilled, there is no longer a need to fill the void that is the root of conspiracy theorist psychopathology.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529081]Yes, he is right that the town of Bergamo was the posterchild and media darling for the Italian crisis. Closer inspection however reveals that the Lombardy region which includes both Milan and Bergamo was suffering last spring. For perspective, in March, Bergamo had 1100 of the 3400 deaths in the entire Lombardy region, about a third. Hmmm, I wonder where the bulk of the other 2300 Lombardy deaths were? Could it have been in the largest Lombardy metro center of Milan? Hmmm, I wonder.
[URL]https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS-LOMBARDY/0100B5LT46P/index.html[/URL]
Anyway, meanwhile the army had to be called into Bergamo to haul away dead bodies. At the same time bodies were rotting in Italian homes waiting for 30 hours for a doctor to come declare them dead. They could have had the decency to at least keep the bodies cold in a fridge truck.
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/generation-has-died-italian-province-struggles-bury-coronavirus-dead[/URL]
Meanwhile, fast forward to February of 2021. The USA and most of Europe has passed its peak deaths and will likely enter a period of steady / slow decline. Most countries except for France of course. For some reason, while most other developed western nations have seen the worst, France continues to see a rise in both cases AND deaths. Even Spain who seem to lag behind others but still ahead of France has seen a decrease in cases and is currently about to exit its peak deaths. Meanwhile France continues the steady incline of both cases and deaths.[/QUOTE]When US had 4000 deaths per day just very few days ago, I don't even look now but they have their own Californian mutant, when EU countries close their borders even inside EU, ask Belgium or Portugal, or Germany which now forbid UK to enter, when after UK mutant but now south African mutant is spreading in UK and probably in Europe. Unfortunately, bad reality on beginning of 2021, when not enough vaccine to protect even only at risk ones. Worst situation now in Germany than under first wave 1 year ago, when they have more strict lockdown since end of last year, than in France. Even all for money Switzerland ask now to register to enter, with quarantine for most. I m pretty sure thousands of covid deaths daily around the world at the moment and until when? With more and more mutants spreading.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529092]Nice observation in connecting the conspiracy theorist psychology to the [B]extremely[/B] religious sharing those three qualities. Those people have eerie similarities to those who become part of cults don't they? Thinking that they are special with access to privileged information, meanwhile they're just like other cattle being led to slaughter. I'm certain that I've read several editorials regarding ISIS members being indoctrinated into the group in the same manner as gangs and their members. They are given a sense of group belonging united in some cause, principal, or code of ethics, basically a cult.[/QUOTE]I was more or less relaying the Bill Maher commentary. As you said, with mainstream religions, ISIS or gangs, the members are usually born into it or they are indoctrinated at a young age. I would say that with gangs and maybe even ISIS, you do not have to necessarily buy into the ideology. Sometimes people join as a means of survival. And while there is perhaps an imaginary enemy, usually there is no mystical nature to it. AFAIK, MS-13 or ISIS do not believe in locusts, multi-headed dragons, or alien lizard people. And yes, one's entry into a conspiracy theory generally takes place in adulthood. I do not think that detracts from Maher's main point, which is: organized religion (specifically Evangelical) is the gateway drug to conspiracy theory movements like QAnon, because in his pro-atheist words, those people have already bought into one "mass delusion".
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529092]Side note, do you think a significant number of the religious alpha types are actually [B]super[/B] religious? Or were they just indoctrinated at a young age and just continue to reap the benefits of belonging or even having their guilt and fears of the afterlife assuaged? Or are they like those mega church preachers who pray on donations from the religious poor and naive elderly, think Billy Graham or even Donald Trump who professed to being a religious man.[/QUOTE]Being a member of religious group (or in Trump's case proclaiming to be a member) accords social benefits. In the USA, 19 percent of households are above the $100 K threshold. Households from certain religious groups are over-represented in this $100 K income bracket. That said, there are no figures specifying how many of these households fall into "super religious" category. [URL]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/11/how-income-varies-among-u-s-religious-groups/[/URL].
A Pew study was able to delve further into metrics that measure religious commitment and how they relate to education attainment. Their findings: "Overall, USA Adults with college degrees are less religious than others, but this pattern does not hold among Christians". [URL]https://www.pewforum.org/2017/04/26/in-america-does-more-education-equal-less-religion/[/URL].
In general, wealthier countries are less religious. USA is the only rich, western OECD country, where half the population still prays daily. About 19 percent of Americans are white Evangelicals, which is roughly 60 million people. Statistically speaking, I would imagine that there are super religious who manage to emerge from the pack to be a leader amongst men in their own parallel universe or even mainstream USA.
Traditionally, religion created a sense of community. Even socially inept people were included in the flock. Can't find a wife or GF or friends on your own? No problem, you could fallback on arranged marriages and prayer groups. Now people go into dark corners of the Internet to find that sense of community. Can't find anyone who will talk to you because you are annoying af? No problem you could just ramble on a sex forum. Does this more solitary lifestyle make people more vulnerable to being radicalized?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2529199]When US had 4000 deaths per day just very few days ago, I don't even look now but they have their own Californian mutant, when EU countries close their borders even inside EU, ask Belgium or Portugal, or Germany which now forbid UK to enter, when after UK mutant but now south African mutant is spreading in UK and probably in Europe. Unfortunately, bad reality on beginning of 2021, when not enough vaccine to protect even only at risk ones. Worst situation now in Germany than under first wave 1 year ago, when they have more strict lockdown since end of last year, than in France. Even all for money Switzerland ask now to register to enter, with quarantine for most. I m pretty sure thousands of covid deaths daily around the world at the moment and until when? With more and more mutants spreading.[/QUOTE]Math doesn't lie and the peaks are behind nearly all European nations and USA. All except for France of course. Good thing Germany's new case numbers are back to where they were in November before the recent lock down. Deaths are down to pre-Christmas numbers. USA cases are back to November numbers and dropping with deaths having peaked in January. Smart people look at the trajectory of where things are going, not fixated on the passing present. Weather is soon to warm up, number of vaccinated will only go up despite slow rollout, no major holidays to cause large gathering events. Everyone in the western world is on the right trajectory, except France.
Mutants, mutants, mutants, blah blah blah. That sentiment would be taken seriously if you understand what mutants actually mean and how they affect disease. Regardless, case numbers and deaths are still declining despite your boogey man mutants. UK, South Africa, and California, the sources of your mutants have all seen drastic declines in daily cases and deaths despite your "fears". #Facts.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2529221]I was more or less relaying the Bill Maher commentary.
And yes, one's entry into a conspiracy theory generally takes place in adulthood. I do not think that detracts from Maher's main point, which is: organized religion (specifically Evangelical) is the gateway drug to conspiracy theory movements like QAnon, because in his pro-atheist words, those people have already bought into one "mass delusion".[/QUOTE]Agreed, believing in angels and demons in the biblical sense definitely primes someone to accept ideas as facts without proof, making them more impressionable, influence-able, and susceptible to bullshit. Same soft mentality that conspiracy theorists have. Over reliance on maybes and what ifs.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2529221]Now people go into dark corners of the Internet to find that sense of community. Can't find anyone who will talk to you because you are annoying af? No problem you could just ramble on a sex forum. Does this more solitary lifestyle make people more vulnerable to being radicalized?[/QUOTE]Abso-fucking-lutely. The sad part is that a 25 or 35 year old conspiracy theorist who never finds that fulfillment through achievement or social acceptance will only become more of a nutcase 10 years later.