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[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1655849]
Frankfurt.

Definitely the best place to be just for FKK. It has Sharks (I think it is the best FKK in Germany. Just my Humble opinion) Oase, World and Palace. And I don't say even Mainhatten.

City is very boring and pessimistic. Very business minded atmosphere. You will never feel like you are in a touristic vacation.
[/QUOTE]Plenty of museums in Frankfurt. Or rent a car. Visit the area. Rheingau. Wiesbaden. Eltville. Ruedesheim. Koenigstein. Taunus. Heidelberg. Worms. Speyer.

HB.

Last time, I met & knew some German customers & German girls in Sharks. It is interesting that all of them have some kind of immigration background.

Some of them are second generation immigrants. Both their parents moved to Germany from another country.

Some of them are half German, and half another ethnicity, which is a result of international marriage in Germany.

Are people of immigration background or people of mixed ethnicity fully accepted by the German society?

How to define 'German'?

I have the same question for 'Russian', because the land of Russia is so huge that the Russian people may vary from Scandinavian-looking (in the Western part of Russia) to almost East Asian-looking (in the Eastern part of Russia).

[QUOTE=PizdaHut;1656194]Yamayama's series of reports seem to have initiated a lot of discussion about the WG's "orgasm or not to orgasm". Especially during DATY....I read the reports of monger-brother YY with a big chunk of skepticism and amusement. This until I read about his experiences with one girl that I know very well and have seen orgasm a number of times. My and YY's experiences of that girl are 1:1 identical. I hereby lift my non-existent hat for Mr Yamayama; well done. If in addition to your success in DATY, the success you describe during penetration is true; then I'm truly jealous.PH[/QUOTE]Why do we go to brothels? Some want to have a simple pop and others go there to look for GFE. I do not pop so often. I reviewed my reports and found that in the last 9-day FKK journey I had 54 sessions but only 2 pops. What else therefore can I do except that I have girls cum? I love to see a smile on their face after girls reach a climax. Out of 54 sessions I was able to see the smile for 33 sessions, but I took the same girl to a room more than once. The net number of girls I went to the room with is 36. Out of 36, I was able to see the smile of relief of only 18 girls, meaning I lost a half of chance. What a pity! LOL.

[QUOTE=YamaYama0519;1656394]Why do we go to brothels? Some want to have a simple pop and others go there to look for GFE. I do not pop so often. I reviewed my reports and found that in the last 9-day FKK journey I had 54 sessions but only 2 pops. What else therefore can I do except that I have girls cum? I love to see a smile on their face after girls reach a climax. Out of 54 sessions I was able to see the smile for 33 sessions, but I took the same girl to a room more than once. The net number of girls I went to the room with is 36. Out of 36, I was able to see the smile of relief of only 18 girls, meaning I lost a half of chance. What a pity! LOL.[/QUOTE]I have to admit that my motives for giving good DATY are more selfish. Don't get me wrong; the angel-like expression of most the girls after the orgasm is priceless and worth a lot of effort on its own.

The first reason why I do DATY with the aim to have the girl come is the ego-trip; because I can, I can make her want to finish, with my help, with me. The moment when, for me a new girl, realizes that I know how to lick and the tongue lashing will end in her coming is one of the finest moments for me in mongering.

The second reason is the service level the girls normally provide after they orgasmed; even the most hard-boiled ones become very service oriented, caring a lot for my well-being in the room. At occasions I even look for girls with a discussable "service-record" to see if I can pull it off to turn them into real pussy-cats since some of these hard girls seem to have a lot of GFE "on-stock" just waiting for the right moment and circumstances to emerge.

Thirdly, the feeling of fucking a pussy after orgasm, normally without gel. Often simply a divine sensation compared to the gel lubricated non-excited one. Even with the girls that insist of always using gel, a wet-and-ready vagina is very preferable.

When it comes to the statistics of how often the girls finish, our games are very different, I think. I tend to go to a few clubs that I know, typically ending-up doing 2 or 3 girls I know from earlier and one new one. Going with girls I know of course leads to a higher success rate since the first room is the most difficult one; once a girl comes in DATY the next time will be much easier. This has most probably to do with the fact that a big part of the female orgasm is mental, not physical, and the girls remember very well what happened earlier with a guy and turn themselves on without any effort from the man.

Finally, I thought I was difficult with my long time average of popping in maybe 40-50% of the rooms (the day I described at O was exceptional, 3 out of 4 pop-rate), but apparently I'm not; 2 of 54! Expensive pops!

PH

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1656364]I think your number of 5% may be a good one. I recall Lena of Slovakia, a fairly honest no nonsense girl, once telling me that she did not orgasm that often in a session typically, but once was having an exceptional day of 2 or 3 different customer getting her off (before my session). May have been a hormone overdrive day, or return after a break (I can't remember). Could not think of a reason or motive she would make this up on the day it happened. She just seemed more horny than usual.[/QUOTE]For many girls 5% seems to be a big proportion. The popular girls should then finish more often than every second day in average. But OK, if it is 2% or 5% does not matter, it is small anyway. 3 times (out of hundreds) I have heard from a girl that "I have already finished today, so finishing again might be difficult", indicating that orgasms are rare and far apart for the typical FKK WG: s.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1656364]We cannot know what happened in YY experiences other than what he writes. Its impossible to 2nd guess just how talented he is, and how good girls are at faking. Its not worth debating. We just have to allow guys to write what was their experience. I don't feel a strong need to try know some guys experience more than him. I wasn't there in that experience.[/QUOTE]As said in my original post, the description YY gives of one girl I know was dead on, exactly similar to mine and BTW not purely positive. This girl is also a no-nonsense girl, for me to even think she would fake anything is just out of the question. But enough said about this.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1656364]Some girls do things very consistently. Others are very inconsistent. High consistency can be a source for disbelief at times. Your mileage should vary, somewhat. Girls cannot have best chemistry with every single customer. However there is no ban on a girl enjoying her work on occasions, should she happen to like the customer, or succumb to superior technique. Some fairly honest girls admit they like good sex (but not all the time).[/QUOTE]I believed in the need for chemistry up till a few years ago, not any more, not with WG: s. Many girls give in to good behaviour and especially to good technique. In my opinion the difficult part is the turning-on part, the rest is elementary once you know what you are doing and know how to read a woman. To turn a girl on, chemistry is one possibility, but by no means the only or even the easiest one. I have seen many girls make a huge effort to come just because of technique. Many of these girls did not even like me! And still ah, crunch, crunch, crunch.

PH

[QUOTE=TheCane;1655872]Don't forget the clubs you can reach from the Dusseldorf area:

- Dolce Vita.

- Acapulco.

- Mondial.

- Living Room.

- Planet Happy Garden.

- Oceans.[/QUOTE]Cane,

I think these options can be interesting for a regular visitor like HB or Rocketboy who is also resident in Germany but for me I don't think it will be logical to prefer them over the popular ones. So you think I should try them instead of for example a second Oase or a second Palace or a first time World? For your information I find nothing interesting in Mainhatten. It is a small FKK and I get bored there a lot.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1655923]If your doing another Budapest like adventure, looking forward to another great story. LOL. That one was classic.[/QUOTE]Thanks Licker. It looks like I have eaten up all Europe cities but I am sure there is a city which will make me so happy that I didn't visit yet or deserve a second visit. Warsaw or a Second Kiev or. Barcelona. Any ideas? Or maybe somewhere in deep Russia.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1655965]Unless you have inside connections (such as what Iceberg is offering) don't go to Turkey expecting a line of Turkish girls. For off the plane tourists, you will encounter Russians and EE girls. Good looking Turkish girls do not work in the open in Turkey. Reasons are self explanatory. Ha ha.[/QUOTE]I can easily arrrange some of Ela girls which are quite popular recently in Turkey. Around 200 Euro for 2 hours. A bit expensive but very good quality of service and they can speak english. Check out the pictures.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1656051]Plenty of museums in Frankfurt. Or rent a car. Visit the area. Rheingau. Wiesbaden. Eltville. Ruedesheim. Koenigstein. Taunus. Heidelberg. Worms. Speyer.

HB.[/QUOTE]HB,

That is what I am talking about Germany. Please don't misunderstand I very like German people and Germany and I even consider to find a job and to work there but for a touristic destination; not for me. I am not being happy in museums. I am up for a jungle visit in Thailand or a Safari in Kenya. And also an active night life is my priorities in a vacation.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1656611]Cane,

I think these options can be interesting for a regular visitor like HB or Rocketboy who is also resident in Germany but for me I don't think it will be logical to prefer them over the popular ones. So you think I should try them instead of for example a second Oase or a second Palace or a first time World? For your information I find nothing interesting in Mainhatten. It is a small FKK and I get bored there a lot.[/QUOTE]Those are some good looking pictures man. I like the one with the pouty lips. Perfect for sucking my boner! Ever since I had such good sex with the Turkish girls in Dubai, I have lusted for more. If I ever do make it to Istanbul (have thought seriously about it before), I hope you will help a brother monger out. I know I annoyed you (at best) when I described how the pretty Turkish girl sounded when I munched out her clit in my hotel room in Dubai. I apologize. I didn't mean anything bad by it.

I understand what you mean by Mainhatten. I too have often been bored there. But, if I am in Frankfurt I absolutely must check it out at least once because you just never know what jewel you may find there. Every now and then, I still fantasize about a red headed Bulgarian girl I fucked there. I would say that if you have a limited amount of time, then most definitely hit the places that you know and love, and you will be assured of being happy. But, if you have a bit more time on your hands, then doing a little new discovery can be fun and exciting too. The next time I am in Germany, Frankfurt and Berlin are a must. But, I want to try something new too. I'm struggling with whether the new should be Dusseldorf, Hamburg, or Munich.

By the way, you absolutely crack me up when you describe blonde girls as being as white as cheese! LOL! When I was at Globe in Zurich, I enjoyed anal sex with a blonde white girl from Sweden going by "Amanda". I looked at her and thought, "Oh my god! It's like Iceberg says. She's as white as feta cheese!" Hahahaha!

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1656611]I think these options can be interesting for a regular visitor like HB or Rocketboy who is also resident in Germany but for me I don't think it will be logical to prefer them over the popular ones. So you think I should try them instead of for example a second Oase or a second Palace or a first time World? For your information I find nothing interesting in Mainhatten. It is a small FKK and I get bored there a lot.

Thanks Licker. It looks like I have eaten up all Europe cities but I am sure there is a city which will make me so happy that I didn't visit yet or deserve a second visit. Warsaw or a Second Kiev or. Barcelona. Any ideas? Or maybe somewhere in deep Russia.

I can easily arrrange some of Ela girls which are quite popular recently in Turkey. Around 200 Euro for 2 hours. A bit expensive but very good quality of service and they can speak english. Check out the pictures.
[/QUOTE]I'm not a resident, but I've taken frequent trips to Germany and been to all the clubs TC has listed. My trips started out as multiple days in Hessen. And then I started to explore a bit, checking out the scenes in other cities like Berlin, Hamburg, and Stuttgart. My favorite newbie club was Oase (used to do multiple days there), and don't repeat girls all that much and got bored of the Oase LU, and was looking for German girls for more variety in looks, and started exploring the NRW clubs like GT and others. Now it's to the point I do multiple club visits on one day to increase my chances of running into a gem. I've ran into lots of fantastic girls at the NRW, so I kept making my trips there. Now it's both Hessen and NRW since GT and other NRW does not have that great of a LU anymore. Typically I only find small percentage of girls even in big club I find interest in going with, so I check out many club. I'm always looking for girls I haven't seen before that would be the find of the trip. One or two visits to Hessen is enough for me as I usually don't find too many girls there to my liking. Doesn't have to be big club with a huge LU to find a top girl or two on a visit.

I don't have recommendations to what city to visit for you as I haven't explored other scenes in Europe. I'm afraid of my limited trip time be wasted in searching for girls in Europe with FKK being too convenient. Polish and Russian girls can be really hot, so maybe there? I've heard Russia is difficult without the language ability.

I can see why she is popular, I like the body on Ela, just the right kind of curves. A Turkish girl Cheyanne at GT has a nice body also. I took a liking to Turkish Jansu at ACA who was a great session.

Today I watched a documentary on Al Jazeera about sex trafficking in Europe. The program noted that a Turk named Saban Baran and his brother had been convicted of sex trafficking in The Netherlands (Baran had already fled back to Turkey & I don't know what happened to his brother). My understanding is that Baran was born in Turkey and speaks no Dutch. He also has deep ties to Germany and does speak German.

I thought what you guys might find really interesting is this. The program mentioned some of Baran's many crimes (you can read and see more on the internet), and one of those was that Baran liked to "brand" his "property" with tattoos indicating his ownership. And then the program showed a photo of a girl sporting the infamous "Abdul" tattoo that many of us have seen in the German FKKs!

Ah, so it seems that finally we may have a solid answer here regarding who "Abdul" is! I'm thinking that "Abdul" refers to Baran and the criminal prostitution pimping syndicate that he led in western Europe. I tried to see if the 30 minute program was available online, but I don't think it's available yet. At least not here in the United States. If and when it does becomes available, I will post it here. In the meantime, here's some links with a little background information (I decided not to post a pic of the brutal beating Baran's gang administered to one of his girls):

[URL]http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/09/fury_over_human_trafficker_esc.php/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/02/escaped_human_trafficker_arres.php/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/06/dutch_prison_escapee_given_bai.php/[/URL]

I posted this link in the Spain section, but thought that some of you here might want to see this story too as it's related to the subject:

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/24/world/europe/spain-prostitution-tattoo/[/URL]

These stories expose the dirty underbelly of the "industry". Do a simple Google search on Saban Baran's name, and you can see what he looks like.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1656611]

I can easily arrrange some of Ela girls which are quite popular recently in Turkey. Around 200 Euro for 2 hours. A bit expensive but very good quality of service and they can speak english. Check out the pictures.

[/QUOTE]I don't know when I will be able to make it down to Istanbul, but I am very impressed with the photos you've posted. Do those girls all have natural breasts? Do these girls advertise? Or do you have to get a referral? The Turkish guys that I have met at FKK clubs have always said the WGs in their country are Russian.

From an optics standpoint, two of the top girls that I sessioned with this year are Turkish. They were both working at GT, but are infrequent (Dina / Dilara and Esra). They are never written about on the forums because facially they do not resemble Hollywood / Western european actresses. But faces are of secondary importance. I like thin girls with big natural tits. And both of those girls had breasts that were disproportionately big for their bodies. Those two girls are more for fetishists like me.

These stories expose the dirty underbelly of the "industry". Do a simple Google search on Saban Baran's name, and you can see what he looks like.

He has been arrested in Turkey.

[URL]http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/02/escaped_human_trafficker_arres.php/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Machakw;1656692]He has been arrested in Turkey.

[URL]http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/02/escaped_human_trafficker_arres.php/[/URL][/QUOTE]And then he was released on bail. There is no extradition treaty between Turkey and the Netherlands. Apparently he's been able to enjoy the good life. You can find pictures of him sunning himself in Anatolia. Also, I think that at some point he became the owner of a disco club in Turkey.

[URL]http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/06/dutch_prison_escapee_given_bai.php/[/URL]

[QUOTE=PizdaHut;1656425]I have to admit that my motives for giving good DATY are more selfish. Don't get me wrong; the angel-like expression of most the girls after the orgasm is priceless and worth a lot of effort on its own.....Finally, I thought I was difficult with my long time average of popping in maybe 40-50% of the rooms (the day I described at O was exceptional, 3 out of 4 pop-rate), but apparently I'm not; 2 of 54! Expensive pops![/QUOTE]Thanks, PH. I love the angel-like expression, too. "2 of 54! Expensive pops!" is wrong calculation. The correct one is "out of 54 sessions I was able to see the smile for 33 sessions", which means 33/54=60%, not expensive for angel-like expression! LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1656648]I thought what you guys might find really interesting is this. The program mentioned some of Baran's many crimes (you can read and see more on the internet), and one of those was that Baran liked to "brand" his "property" with tattoos indicating his ownership. And then the program showed a photo of a girl sporting the infamous "Abdul" tattoo that many of us have seen in the German FKKs!

Ah, so it seems that finally we may have a solid answer here regarding who "Abdul" is! I'm thinking that "Abdul" refers to Baran and the criminal prostitution pimping syndicate that he led in western Europe. I tried to see if the 30 minute program was available online, but I don't think it's available yet. At least not here in the United States.[/QUOTE]I think this is the documentary you're referring to:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmMhDRJt0ek[/URL]

The tattooed woman shown about 20 minutes in has an 'Abu' tattoo, not 'Abdul'. The programme is one from a series on modern slavery by Al Jazeera, AKA the Qatari rulers, who rely heavily on something close to slave labour in their own construction industry.

AFAIK, Abdul, of the tattoo branding notoriety, was part of the group of Hells Angels that set up shop in Mallorca. He and some of his colleagues were arrested last year on the island. Caveat: some of my info was volunteered by a working girl.

[QUOTE=Samplerr;1656927]I think this is the documentary you're referring to:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmMhDRJt0ek[/URL]

The tattooed woman shown about 20 minutes in has an 'Abu' tattoo, not 'Abdul'. The programme is one from a series on modern slavery by Al Jazeera, AKA the Qatari rulers, who rely heavily on something close to slave labour in their own construction industry.

AFAIK, Abdul, of the tattoo branding notoriety, was part of the group of Hells Angels that set up shop in Mallorca. He and some of his colleagues were arrested last year on the island. Caveat: some of my info was volunteered by a working girl.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the correction Samplerr. I thought it said "Abdul". In any event, Saban Baran is still a bad man. A very bad man! Oh, and I still can't watch the video online as it says it's not available in my country. Hmmm?