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[QUOTE=Travel100]I was going to post a question asking if anyone has seen unshaved pussy at FKK's anyway, so I'll do it now.

Especially interested in Oase, World, F39, and Bernds. Since those are the clubs I'll probably visit starting the end of next week.[/QUOTE]

It helps if you like Chinese girls as there is a cultural prejudice against a woman shaving her pussy. Sophie at F39 has a natural bush, although I would not call her especially hairy. Koko at Palace was unshaven for quite a while, however, last time I sessioned with her, she had gone native.

[QUOTE=Radler]Danke, Gleichfalls!

And yes, I do speak German. Badly, but i do speak it.

OK, so my post to Jackyo was a bit over the top. I had a rather harrowing flight the previous night, didn't get enough sleep and got up on the wrong side of the bed.

My point in the original post was that I am quite familiar with NRW clubs with "no approach" policies. LBC and Timmendorf had noted the same thing, the vibe from the ladies is strange at this club (unlike other NRW clubs such as GT, PHG, F39, etc.) Jackyo's post was essentially: "it must be because you aren't familiar with the NRW club policies against women approaching. I think it is a better policy. Let me show you I know the German word for it." It really didn't address the discussion at hand.[/QUOTE]
Does anyone seem to notice?

The topic of [i]animieren[/i] keeps coming up hence my wanting to say a few words about it and not elaborate.

Yes, it does not address the discussion at hand but it is a discussion which we have had before.

Is there a way to file these things away and point to the previous discussion when the topic comes up again?

On the Oase thread there is an ongoing discussion for the benefit of a newbie about the dress code.

Is the [i]Verbot[/i] a better policy?

In my opinion, yes.

In clubs where the girls don't approach you you have more peace and quiet. Also the girls have to resort to various other ways to catch your attention. Yes, they will smile at you. And in the exhibitionistic clubs they will flash you or otherwise try to catch you looking at their pink parts.

There is an undercurrent of subtle flirting which goes on when they can't approach you.

That to me at least has more of an appeal than the more direct: "Hey, want some company?" or the more vulgar: "Hey dude, let's screw."

I am back from a three day Germany day time Business night time FKK trip. Last Sunday - Berlin Artemis, Monday - Frankfurt Palace, Tuesday - Frankfurt World. Unfortunately I had my worst FKK experience compared to the 4-5 past years since I discovered about FKKs. When I have seen the lousy selection and lack of talent at Artemis I was upset but two more FKK nights was what kept me happy. I was so wrong, Monday night, palace a total disaster. If someone told me that I would get out from a FKK without having sex, I would comment on it saying only if I am over 80 and have no Viagra. But the ladies were soo low quality and bad attitude it totally destroyed my dreams. Tuesday night World a little bit compensated itself but still nowhere close my past experiences (and I had many before)

Thinking why this could be I thought about two reasons: first the night selection: Monday I guess is the worst one especially when there is no expo in town. Second, all the good girls who were able to make Money went back home for holidays.

Live and learn, it proved that even at the world’s best organized mongering facilities you can have bad nights :)

[QUOTE=Yupi Yup]I am back from a three day Germany day time Business night time FKK trip. Last Sunday - Berlin Artemis, Monday - Frankfurt Palace, Tuesday - Frankfurt World. Unfortunately I had my worst FKK experience compared to the 4-5 past years since I discovered about FKKs. When I have seen the lousy selection and lack of talent at Artemis I was upset but two more FKK nights was what kept me happy. I was so wrong, Monday night, palace a total disaster. If someone told me that I would get out from a FKK without having sex, I would comment on it saying only if I am over 80 and have no Viagra. But the ladies were soo low quality and bad attitude it totally destroyed my dreams. Tuesday night World a little bit compensated itself but still nowhere close my past experiences (and I had many before)

Thinking why this could be I thought about two reasons: first the night selection: Monday I guess is the worst one especially when there is no expo in town. Second, all the good girls who were able to make Money went back home for holidays.

Live and learn, it proved that even at the world’s best organized mongering facilities you can have bad nights :)[/QUOTE]

I think you answered your own questions here. Summertime, esp. mid-July through end August is, generally speaking, not the best time to catch clubs, in Hessen esp., touting their best line-ups. This is for a variety of reasons: Girls on holiday, men on holiday, low business events in Messe towns like Berlin and FFM (compared to Autumn, Winter and Spring when there are many, many Messe events). In contrast to this, in Hessen at least, Oase at BHH seems to be (this year in particular) holding its own through the summer with a pretty damn good line-up day in and out. I was there a three weeks ago and found Oase quite doable on Sundays and Mondays. A pity you chose Palace over Oase on that particular day! Btw: One factor at World on Tues: It is Dessous tag, so maybe that kept things down a bit???

However, I think in NRW things might be looking better than elsewhere. For example, a club like F39 gets 80% (or more) of its male customers from local sources. And afternoons esp. are active with men coming in during their "lunch breaks" from work. So I bet this club (and others in this region) do not suffer so much in line-up degredation during the summer months as do larger more Messe-based clubs like Palace and Artemis.

Lastly, it is well known that Sunday and Monday nights at FKKs are NOT the best nights to visit, regardless of the time of year.

Ortos

Nice to see that you still having fun in your mongering lifes.

Oase was a great place in June and I see it still being.

But guys, I've seen Frankfurt and fkks overthere. I think I'm pretty curious to change city for fkks in Germany.

From my city it's good connections for Stuttgart, Munich and Dusseldorf. Are there any places close to Oases' way of life, lineups. Summary, fkks that you can suggest to visit in those cities?

Big hug from.

Italia

[QUOTE=Jackyo]Does anyone seem to notice?

The topic of [i]animieren[/i] keeps coming up hence my wanting to say a few words about it and not elaborate. [/QUOTE]

Actually, if memory serves, it was you that brought it up this last time. Nothing wrong with having another round of the golden oldie topic.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]Is there a way to file these things away and point to the previous discussion when the topic comes up again? [/QUOTE]

The internet corrolary to the proverb "you can lead a horse to water, ..." should be, "You can point out the search feature to the newbee, but you can't click the button for him".

[QUOTE=Jackyo]Is the [i]Verbot[/i] a better policy?

In my opinion, yes. [/QUOTE]

Both have their pros and cons. Giving my Deutsch linguistic ineptitude, I'm going to refer to them as Sharkful and Sharkless policies.

[b]Sharkful[/b]

Cons: Particularly right as you walk into the room, fending off the persistent advances of twenty or so very insistent and pushy women. Did someone just put a "fresh meat" sign on my back. I'll occassionally grab the first non-pushy woman I am interested in just so I have the "Pause" excuse to politely keep them at bay. I can see how some guys find this aspect enough to sour them off of sharkful clubs.

Pros: 1) Easier to test the chemistry or her sensuality. How she reacts when you politely turn her down with a smile and a "maybe later" tells you alot about a girl. If she gets all bitchy, well, you've just saved yourself 50E on a crappy session. Also, within reason, you can "sample the goods". I don't recommend letting a girl wank you for ten minutes then turning her down. However there is nothing wrong with testing how she touches you and playfully moving her hand away. Repeat until you have a sense of how she approaches things. Is she a woman who knows how to be sensual, or does she think he harder and faster she wanks the quicker you will be done with it?

2) If you session repeatedly with more than one girl in a clique, their friends will approach you expecting to session with you. The clique may even get territorial over you. This is not necessarily bad as the girls talk among themselves and your new friend will know exactly what you like and will bring her A game as she wants you as a regular too. I've had some great sessions this way.

[b]Sharkless[/b]

Cons: As with anything subtle, it can be more difficult to test chemistry. I'm sorry, but if I initiate contact by sitting next to a woman I have a more difficult time deciding not to session with her because you are conveying the message "I was thinking about sessioning with you, but under further consideration, I've decided not to". Maybe it's just me, but seems kind of rude. I've had a couple of mediocre (and one outright bad) sessions because I didn't bail after initiating contact and sensed no (or bad) chemistry.

Pros: 1) Certainy more relaxing and laid back an experience.

2) Kind of fun to make the ladies to subtily entice you with a smile, a look or a strategic positioning of their attributes. I know one lady at a sharkless club who waits until you wander into an area in the back (not a Kino) that does not appear to be watched by the management and she will walk up to you and chat you up. Another fun thing to do when a lady is trying to attract your interest is to get up and go into the Kino and see if she follows.

To sum it up, I like both environments as each has its pros and cons.

[QUOTE=Radler]
I would have preferred snarky to snide. Perhaps you can translate snarky for me into German. It would help my German vocabulary.
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Odd. When I look it up in my Duden or Langenscheidt, it says "Pumpkin-headed moron with a little-guy complex"

Darn things are probably broken. Maybe I should take them back.

[QUOTE=Radler]
As far as snide insults, I am kind of curious what it was that set you off. Was it my questioning the quality of your upbringing in the great "Sandra the Red" controversey? Or was it calling out as bullshit your statement that GT doesn't exclude by race? Or I maybe it was for pointing out that Jackyo posted a response that was unrelated to the discussion simply so he could use the word [i]Animieren[/i]?
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Probably a combination of all. But hey, we can't make everyone happy.

[QUOTE=Radler]
Cheers,
Radler (now where is that ignore button?)[/QUOTE]

That's a shame...

Cheers,

Dedalus

[QUOTE=Italia77]Nice to see that you still having fun in your mongering lifes.

Oase was a great place in June and I see it still being.

But guys, I've seen Frankfurt and fkks overthere. I think I'm pretty curious to change city for fkks in Germany.

From my city it's good connections for Stuttgart, Munich and Dusseldorf. Are there any places close to Oases' way of life, lineups. Summary, fkks that you can suggest to visit in those cities?

Big hug from.

Italia[/QUOTE]

Hi Italia77,

If you have connection to Dusseldorf, there you will find the finest of Sauna Clubs in westfalia. To name of some of them; Golden Time, Planet Happy Garden, Living Room and Villa Vertigo are all fine clubs. The latest one is a new luxurious club but the lineup is not well set yet. You may even cross the Dutch border to reach Dutch club Ying Yang. In south of Dusseldorf, in Cologne you may find Samya and babylon, and towrads North, near Bochum, club F39 Freude is not a bad bet to visit.
Ciao
C2

[QUOTE=Travel100] Scandinavians seem to be pretty rare.

Anyone have Iceland, Norway OR Sweden? (the "axis of Blondes")[/QUOTE]

I have done two sisters at Golden Time - Lia (22 years) and Lena (?? years) who are German but have Swedish parentage. Lia claims she is Swedish German in her sales pitch.

I have done Finns before but right now I cannot recall Icelandic or Nordics in my resume of girls done. I may have done a Norwegian brunette who did a great CIM service in London but that was a few years back.

[QUOTE=Travel100]By the way, the "axis of evil" is Very Impressive. Not an easy feat. [/QUOTE]

North Korea, Iraq and Iran is a formidable feat. I salute you Sir.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

I've visiting Germany a couple of times a year in the winter for the last 5-6 years. It's never snowed while I've been there. I haven't thought about driving in the snow since I left the frozen north years ago.

Can anyone give me an idea if there are requirements for having snow tires on rental cars? Fines/liability/etc if you don't have them.

Thanks,

Boomer

[QUOTE=Boomer10]I've visiting Germany a couple of times a year in the winter for the last 5-6 years. It's never snowed while I've been there. I haven't thought about driving in the snow since I left the frozen north years ago.

Can anyone give me an idea if there are requirements for having snow tires on rental cars? Fines/liability/etc if you don't have them.

Thanks,

Boomer[/QUOTE]German law now requires winter tires when driving on snow and most rental car companies charge extra for winter tires.
I usually check the weather forecast before deciding on winter tires. If you are not going to drive in the mountains the risk of snow is low. Also when it's snowing in Germany the roads are cleared pretty quickly.

The penalty for not having winter tires is something like 40€ but if you cause an accident or even blocks a road you can get serious problems. I don't think the rental car company will let you rent a car without winter tires if there is any risk of snow.

Very rare to see an unshaved woman in a German FKK. I don't recall ever seeing it

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Very rare to see an unshaved woman in a German FKK. I don't recall ever seeing it[/QUOTE]
She is the first one who comes to mind immediately.

[QUOTE=Travel100]Are you serious. I don't think I've ever seen Unshaved pussy, with the exception of Mara (and to a lesser extent Katya) of Bernds.

I was going to post a question asking if anyone has seen unshaved pussy at FKK's anyway, so I'll do it now.

Especially interested in Oase, World, F39, and Bernds. Since those are the clubs I'll probably visit starting the end of next week.

So has anyone ever seen a Natural Bush in a FKK? Mara has the biggest Bush I've seen and even she shaves her Lips totally. I'm attracted to things that are different from the ordinary. Once I had a Flemish girl in the RLD (Amsterdam) with unshaved pits, that was a bit of a turn-on just because it was unique.

Has anyone else noticed what Everhard has? Any Bush or unshaved girls to be found at any of the clubs I mentioned? (or even at another club)[/QUOTE]
I agree that natural bush is a rare plant to find in the Western mongering world, but isn't it great to discover one now and then. Asia- now that's a different story.

There's a recent report on the Artemis thread by Wiild who writes of his recent visit :[QUOTE=Wiild]"Shaved: Less than I thought were totally shaved: I had hoped that 60-90% would have completely shaved pussies, but I guess it was more like 40%."[/QUOTE]

40%. I find that statistic amazing for 2 reasons:
1) Did he really stand there and count these off? (BTW- is there a line judge present to make the ruling that it qualifies as truly completely shaven?)
2) If it's true, how have I missed this? Where have all the bushes been all this time?

Gents:

Few years ago, back in 2005, I visited this fantastic place in Frankfurt Germany, called the Pleasure Palace. Three huge rooms filled with over 40+ girls. It only cost 65 Euro to enter and each beautiful lady was 50 Euro for 30 minutes, MSOG.

Unfortuantely, I have not been able to locate their web site!

Does anyone know if they are still in business or if they changed their name?

Thank you all for your assitance,

F.