American Politics

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2564114]Last we checked, your bogeymen white supremacists exist exclusively as a figment of your imagination and as a projection of your fears. Have they formulated and articulated their supremacist program, you know, a gamatria where they brand all their enemies as Esau and Amalek and consign them to extermination in the world to come?[/QUOTE]PVmonger had the best reply to this one, and I'll paraphrase, the only people who think white supremacists don't exist are uh, white supremacists. With few exceptions that's what it boils down to. This as golfinho dives into his standard whataboutism, but he usually wants to talk about Antifa. What happened to that? Wink. This time it's straight to the Anti-Semitism we've witnessed before, alluding to the ancient Jews and the Torah, though in the afterlife portion he seems to be confusing some Christian themes.

At your suggestion, and "last we checked," the kill score remains the same, right wing extremists 329, Antifa 0. That's what has the wingnuts all ruffled. Their go to whataboutism has been ripped from their clutches.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7[/URL]

The former also represents our greatest domestic terrorist threat.

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL]

If you'd take a break from the fallacies of the Anti-Semite, failed academic E. Michael Jones and read some legit history you'll find that white supremacism begins to find real expression in the Enlightenment with top down racial categories and pseudo-science like phrenology and craniometry, which all over time has served as a basis for subjugation, through cultural motifs, law, and violence. Portions of this still exist while there's resistance to change. There's also been plenty of pseudo-science directed at Jews, related to physical characteristics, etc. So you Anti-Semites could get in on the act.

White supremacism doesn't exist. That and racism don't exist, are just a figment of the imagination. Arguments like that are usually best ignored, because they have no more credibility than the babblings of a guy who needs his antipsychotic meds adjusted. They rightly will never be part of the national discussion. But occasionally it might pay to remind what's behind golfinho, who pops in occasionally, laughably acting abstruse pretending like he's educated when of course he isn't.

/[URL]www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/combating-hate/E-Michael-Jones.pdf[/URL].

Simply hilarious, you can't make this stuff up.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/capitol-rioter-s-attorney-calls-him-dumb-who-believed-what-he-heard-on-fox-news/ar-AAKzu3q?ocid=msedgdhp[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564273]Multiple people were killed in the CHAZ / CHOP / whatever the hell you want to call the lawless so-called autonomous zones that antifa communists set up.[/QUOTE]You can red bait until the cows come home but just shows you as ill educated. Your typical Antifa member follows Anarchism, abolish prisons and police forces etc, very different than Communism, and different than the Fascism you tried to pin them with. I mean I know since they call themselves Anti-Fascists that you want to do the third grader "No you are the Fascist!" but it's not third grade anymore. Plus anyone who stayed awake even half the time in high school history class knows that the founders of Fascism didn't go around advocating for women's liberation, gay rights, racial equality and the abolishment of police and prisons. Anarchist is bad enough, so why not make yourself sound smarter by calling them what they are?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564273]Furthermore even the far-left fake news Guardian reported on Aaron Danielson, who was murdered by antifa after a Trump rally. [/QUOTE]Post the link to the Guardian story. Most reliable sources say he was "security for BLM. " A lot of wingnut blogs say the assailant was also connected to Antifa. Regardless the best case scenario is you can chalk up one for your column, so it would still be 329 for the wingnuts, 1 for Antifa. You're still comprehensively fucked.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564273]Here are some more of the dead: https://www.foxnews.com/us/deadly-unrest-people-have-died-amid-george-floyd-protests-across-us.[/QUOTE]17 deaths nationwide surrounding protests, deaths by what cause? And your own source contradicts you. Fox admits the circumstances were "murky. " I posted a few thorough articles analyzing these deaths about a week ago.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564273]Let us not forget that antifa attempted to barricade and burn down police precincts with officers still inside.[/QUOTE]Two buffoons burned an awning and were caught, and the score remains the same, 329-0.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564273]Princeton University (hardly a haven of right-wing activity) released a study in early September last year showing 570 antifa / BLM protests turned violent. The number now will of course be far higher.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/09/08/new-study-shows-majority-of-blm-protests-turned-violent-n2575801 [/QUOTE]LOL See what happens when you just cut and paste off a wingnut blog? They didn't read the Princeton study and of course neither did you.

This is from the actual study, page 5.

The vast majority of demonstration events associated with the BLM movement are non-violent.

(see map below). In more than 93% of all demonstrations connected to the movement.

Demonstrators have not engaged in violence or destructive activity. Peaceful protests are reported.

In over 2,400 distinct locations around the country. Violent demonstrations, meanwhile, have.

Been limited to fewer than 220 locations — under 10% of the areas that experienced peaceful.

Protests. In many urban areas like Portland, Oregon, for example, which has seen sustained unrest.

Since Floyd's killing, violent demonstrations are largely confined to specific blocks, rather than.

Dispersed throughout the city.

We can add to this that much of the looting related activity has not been connected to BLMs but what appears to be opportunists. Such is a common phenomenon around protests. But yea, 93% of all demonstrations peaceful. So much for this mob of black males rushing to the burbs frothing at the mouth and raping and killing all your daughters. LOL The sky is not falling man. And I'll take an Ivy League study any day of the week over wingnut blogs and Tucker Carlson. So would any other reasonable and educated person. Thanks for directing me to that.

[URL]https://acleddata.com/acleddatanew/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/ACLED_USDataReview_Sum2020_SeptWebPDF.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564273]And the total damage done by BLM / antifa riots topped $2 bn. [/QUOTE]Source please?

What were the damages here? How many dead?

[URL]https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/oklahoma-city-bombing[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564273]The fact you actually try to pass off Media Matters as a legit source is hilarious.[/QUOTE]This while sourcing Fox and a wingnut blog regarding the so called Biden dementia, and while lying about the content of your linked sources, claiming support when the content contradicts you. Hilarious indeed. Media Matters actually critiques both left and right wing sources.

Antifa violent? Of course at times, but hardly deadly. And the fact that you are working overtime trying to prove just one kill proves volumes. Also much of the violence has involved clashes with violent counter protestors. Two sides showed up for a fight.

329-0 wow. DHS and all reasonable people resoundingly agree that the extremists on your end of the spectrum are the much greater threat. That's how it is and how it will be, no matter how much smoke and mirrors you toss up. On the plus side your posted some sources, Fox and wingnut blogs, misrepresentations of the content therein, but it's progress. A step up from the no sources at all of your prior MO.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2564566]And of course do not ever expect these points to be addressed. The first debate especially was a beatdown of the highest order, Trump thrown into full on panic mode.[/QUOTE]Of course. I won't hold my breath waiting for trumpers to say anything intelligent. All they've got are Donnie's and Tucker's talking points, none of which make sense.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564598]Biden just delivered a 20-30 minute speech at the annual Memorial Day ceremony at Arlington Cemerary and he was letter perfect, conveying every nuanced literal and emotional understanding of every sentence, phrase, word and syllable. He read it as all presidents do and I am sure it was at least partially written by speech writers as is the case with other presidents. But it was blatantly obvious he understood everything that was written by him and others and brought as much if not more meaning to the ideas and words on the page and teleprompter as the best presidents of the past.

Oh, he cleared his throat 2-3 times during the lengthy outdoor speech and, naturally, excused himself on the run after one of them. [b]So I fully expect FOX News to carefully edit a 4 second video clip of just the throat clearing and his brief apology to prove to its viewers that "Biden has dementia! And COVID! And now he is on a Dem Apology For America Tour!" that will be brought up and linked here.[/b][/QUOTE]Don't forget OANN and InfoWars and the rest of the right-wingnut media. They'd have a field day with such a clip and the sheep would lap it up.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564610]Some of the main reasons I vote Dem and never Repub now is because I much prefer the way Dems cut taxes and overall costs re increased income for me and appreciate the countless times Dems have rescued and recovered American Capitalism from typically horrific and disastrous Repub economic mishandling of it.

And if "sudden conversions" are a sign of dementia then Trump's sudden conversion from openly acknowledging the well documented fact that the U.S. economy does better under Dems than Repubs just in time to ride down that escalator and announce his Repub Party candidacy must have been very troubling to you.[/QUOTE]Just when I thought the dumb on this site couldn't get any dumber here comes this post. Trump lowered taxes for every one. Biden is stopping Trump tax cuts and raising them even higher. Biden has said this over and over on every news outlet. Do you feel important when you make up this crap?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564598]Biden just delivered a 20-30 minute speech at the annual Memorial Day ceremony at Arlington Cemerary and he was letter perfect, conveying every nuanced literal and emotional understanding of every sentence, phrase, word and syllable. He read it as all presidents do and I am sure it was at least partially written by speech writers as is the case with other presidents. But it was blatantly obvious he understood everything that was written by him and others and brought as much if not more meaning to the ideas and words on the page and teleprompter as the best presidents of the past.

Oh, he cleared his throat 2-3 times during the lengthy outdoor speech and, naturally, excused himself on the run after one of them. So I fully expect FOX News to carefully edit a 4 second video clip of just the throat clearing and his brief apology to prove to its viewers that "Biden has dementia! And COVID! And now he is on a Dem Apology For America Tour!" that will be brought up and linked here.[/QUOTE]Biden speech was a joke. It wasn't his speech. He read it off a teleprompter like a five year old kid reading his speech in front of his classmates. Someone wrote it for him and he read it. He probably doesn't even know what it said. Looked like an idiot.

[QUOTE=Canada;2564808]Just when I thought the dumb on this site couldn't get any dumber here comes this post. Trump lowered taxes for every one. Biden is stopping Trump tax cuts and raising them even higher. Biden has said this over and over on every news outlet. Do you feel important when you make up this crap?[/QUOTE]Trump lowered taxes permanently for corporations and super wealthy and temporarily for lower income margins while at the same time making some of the worst economic decisions in the history of the world that wiped out millions of jobs in the USA alone.

Factor in all the USA jobs lost under Repub presidential economic "stewardship" of the past 100 years right up to and including Trump and it is probably in negative territory without a single net gain USA job but plenty Trillion$ in deficit spending required to pull us out of their typical Crashes, Depressions and Great Recessions. Which must be paid back somewhere, somehow by somebody.

Seriously. Look at the number of USA jobs created under Repub presidents of the past 100 years vs the number their idiotic and insufferably repeated failed policies lost and it is quite possible the wonderful "tax cutting" Trump finally pushed his Party solidly into net LOSS results.

That speaks volumes about your beloved Repub tax cutting policy effectiveness and their amazing penchant for making the worst economic decisions at the worst possible times.

Crap like that has never followed a Dem tax and economic policy legislation, some of which reduced tax liabilities for more Americans than any Repub ever did. And produced millions of positive net GAINED USA jobs along the way, which is by far my preference when it comes to tax and economic policy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564814]Trump lowered taxes permanently for corporations and super wealthy and temporarily for lower income margins while at the same time making some of the worst economic decisions in the history of the world that wiped out millions of jobs in the USA alone.

Factor in all the USA jobs lost under Repub presidential economic "stewardship" of the past 100 years right up to and including Trump and it is probably in negative territory without a single net gain USA job but plenty Trillion$ in deficit spending required to pull us out of their typical Crashes, Depressions and Great Recessions. Which must be paid back somewhere, somehow by somebody.

Seriously. Look at the number of USA jobs created under Repub presidents of the past 100 years vs the number their idiotic and insufferably repeated failed policies lost and it is quite possible the wonderful "tax cutting" Trump finally pushed his Party solidly into net LOSS results.

That speaks volumes about your beloved Repub tax cutting policy effectiveness and their amazing penchant for making the worst economic decisions at the worst possible times.

Crap like that has never followed a Dem tax and economic policy legislation, some of which reduced tax liabilities for more Americans than any Repub ever did. And produced millions of positive net GAINED USA jobs along the way, which is by far my preference when it comes to tax and economic policy.[/QUOTE]I am not looking at past presidents. They don't affect my life. I look at the current president and what he is doing. Biden is raising taxes on individuals and business. Biden is doing nothing for the lower income workers other than giving them high energy costs and inflation. Biden has damaged the lower income more in 100 days than Trump tax cuts saved them. Face it! Biden is a joke and will push USA so far in debt that our grandkids wouldn't be able to recover. Crises at the border, defund the police and highest crime in decades, higher taxes to drive our businesses overseas, $4 gas and record inflation and weak foreign policy. Great accomplishments in the first 100 days. Quit griping about Trump and start looking into Biden crippling our country. Where is your hate for what Biden is doing?

[QUOTE=Canada;2564845]I am not looking at past presidents. They don't affect my life. I look at the current president and what he is doing. Biden is raising taxes on individuals and business. Biden is doing nothing for the lower income workers other than giving them high energy costs and inflation. Biden has damaged the lower income more in 100 days than Trump tax cuts saved them. Face it! Biden is a joke and will push USA so far in debt that our grandkids wouldn't be able to recover. Crises at the border, defund the police and highest crime in decades, higher taxes to drive our businesses overseas, $4 gas and record inflation and weak foreign policy. Great accomplishments in the first 100 days. Quit griping about Trump and start looking into Biden crippling our country. Where is your hate for what Biden is doing?[/QUOTE]I wondered why this forum even exists? I realized it's like the grease trap on my barbeque smoker.

[QUOTE=Canada;2564845]I am not looking at past presidents. They don't affect my life. I look at the current president and what he is doing. Biden is raising taxes on individuals and business. Biden is doing nothing for the lower income workers other than giving them high energy costs and inflation. Biden has damaged the lower income more in 100 days than Trump tax cuts saved them. Face it! Biden is a joke and will push USA so far in debt that our grandkids wouldn't be able to recover. Crises at the border, defund the police and highest crime in decades, higher taxes to drive our businesses overseas, $4 gas and record inflation and weak foreign policy. Great accomplishments in the first 100 days. Quit griping about Trump and start looking into Biden crippling our country. Where is your hate for what Biden is doing?[/QUOTE]LOL. We hear these same warnings every time a Dem takes over during a colossal Repub economic disaster, which is always the case when Dems take over from outgoing Repubs but never the case when Repubs take over from outgoing Dems.

Your problem is that supposed economic disaster under the Dem never happens. LOL. Trump told us we would have a stock market crash "the likes of which nobody has ever seen!" as soon as Biden becomes president and the Orange Savior is no longer on his throne.

Still waiting for that to happen.

Meanwhile, you keep voting for disproportionately high tax cuts for corporations and the top income margins that Repubs love to enact in exchange for their inevitable Great Repub Crash and Great Repub Recessions that wipe out millions upon millions of USA jobs and sleep well in the sorely mistaken belief that Repubs cut taxes and handle the economy better than Dems. LOL.

I stopped falling for those piddling marginal tax cuts primarily for the top margins, crap for everyone else and the inevitable Great Recession and Massive Job Losses that Repubs have been peddling since forever and getting the same sub par-to-spectacularly failed results decades ago.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564281] Who would want to quote Tucker Carlson? Perhaps the millions of people who make his show the most watched in cable news history. And often top-rated in all cable TV?[/QUOTE]And your logical fallacy is:

[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Popularity[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2564715]With few exceptions that's what it boils down to. This as golfinho dives into his standard whataboutism, but he usually wants to talk aboutt his time it's straight to the Anti-Semitism we've witnessed before, alluding to the ancient Jews and the Torah, though in the afterlife portion he seems to be confusing some Christian [/QUOTE]There you go -- breaking Godwin's Law 2. 0: bleating out anti-semitism and referencing ADL as your authority. LOL.

[QUOTE=Canada;2564810]Biden speech was a joke. It wasn't his speech. He read it off a teleprompter like a five year old kid reading his speech in front of his classmates. Someone wrote it for him and he read it. He probably doesn't even know what it said. Looked like an idiot.[/QUOTE]One could always tell with trump.

When the speech was on teleprompter, he read it in a monotone and at a slow pace. He sounded like he was a zombie.

When trump spoke "off the cuff", he used 1-syllable words (for his uneducated base) strung together in a disjointed fashion. He sounded like a moron.

That's the story of the trump presidency*. The US was run by a zombie moron.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564888]Meanwhile, you keep voting for disproportionately high tax cuts for corporations and the top income margins that Repubs love to enact in exchange for their inevitable Great Repub Crash and Great Repub Recessions that wipe out millions upon millions of USA jobs and sleep well in the sorely mistaken belief that Repubs cut taxes and handle the economy better than Dems. LOL.[/QUOTE]Chicken Little ism is a huge component Trumpism, as it is with the far right populist ideologues of the present age generally. Head over to Info Wars (Alex Jones) and the sky is falling every day. While there pick up some $100 fish oil and magnesium and some bullet proof vests. There a lot of $ in these gigs.