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[QUOTE=Jammerking69]Gents:
Few years ago, back in 2005, I visited this fantastic place in Frankfurt Germany, called the Pleasure Palace. Three huge rooms filled with over 40+ girls. It only cost 65 Euro to enter and each beautiful lady was 50 Euro for 30 minutes, MSOG.
Unfortuantely, I have not been able to locate their web site!
Does anyone know if they are still in business or if they changed their name?
Thank you all for your assitance,
F.[/QUOTE]
fkk-palace.de
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]fkk-palace.de[/QUOTE]
Yep, that's why we Palace lovers like it. The multiple shots on goal in 30 minutes for only 50 Euros.
Serious, entrance is now 75 Euros and the general consensus is that if you are perceived as a tourist or newbie, some of the ladies may try to take advantage of you (charging for non-standard extras, charging more than the regular price).
I've had good luck with the club, but I tend to session with the same ladies that I like and get consistently good service.
Returning back to Germany, last July, after almost 8 months, caused to me at first a sense of unreality. I already had to renounce to a visit in March, and had been stuck with my problems and the obsessive and depressing atmosphere of my country, that took to me a while to be aware that I was really there again, forget all troubles and get ready to enjoy the goodness offered by this tolerant and polite country, that I like to call “Fuckland”.
I left on a Tuesday with an early flight to Frankfurt, plus 2h ½ to reach the Hotel in the Dusseldorf area, where I got a comfortable double room, plus an impressive breakfast, for an average of 43€ per night, a deal I found with booking.de.
However, although I am an estimator of Germany there are usually two things I couldn’t stand and never get used in hotels here: the bed cover they offer you, either to heavy or too light, so that you either sweat or freeze during the night, much better the Latin system of covering in layers, so that you can adapt to temperature according to your needs, and the absence of a bidet, which forces you either to take a full shower or to acrobatic maneuvers with the shower nozzle just to wash your asshole! I think at least in these two things North Europeans people (and Americans as well) should learn from Latin countries :)
After having already discovered and enjoyed last year what FKK clubs can offer, this trip was mainly of explorative nature. Thus I included in my plan to visit some FKK’s that I already knew, like GT and LR, but also a new one like VV, a PauscalClub, a Partytreff, a perhaps more old style brothel like F39 and a swinger club like Beverly. I am a curious guy, thus before dying :), or simply getting too old, I wanted to know if I was missing something.
You will find my reports for this trip in the appropriate sections. So, let’s proceed in order:
1) PauchalClub Airport [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772009&postcount=2274[/url]
2) Villa Vertigo [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772012&postcount=195[/url]
3) Goldentime [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772014&postcount=670[/url]
4) F39 [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772015&postcount=87[/url]
5) PT Xanten [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772020&postcount=2275[/url]
6) Beverly [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772022&postcount=63[/url]
7) Living Room [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772023&postcount=124[/url]
8) Oase [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772024&postcount=2761[/url]
[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]
Maybe the early days of Autumn are the better time to return to the Fatherland? [/QUOTE]
Hey LBC,
I'm am sure that no offense is meant by you and I hope that you will take what I am about to say the right way.
I'm not German as you know, but I imagine that the few readers on this board who are will not mention what I am about to.
While I can appreciate your desire to soak up as much of the German culture as you can, you might go easy on the "Fatherland" references. No one here (Germany) uses that word to describe Germany other than a few nut-ball right-wingers in idiotic political parties like the NPD and the Republikaner.
Nationalism is NOT "in" here. Hell, flying the German flag only recently became acceptable and this was the result of the WM football games a few years back.
Again, I am sure that you do not mean anything by it, but you have used the term "Fatherland" quite often and I imagine that some of our good friends who are German and read this board wince every time they read it. It is a word that references a time and attitude that most people here shudder to think about.
Please forgive my bluntness, but it just seems rather insensitive in my view. Considering the to up-to-date and valuable contributions that our German friends here provide us, I personally would be for avoiding this word.
Cheers,
Dedalus
... the National Socialists, in other words.
I would avoid using terms such as [i]Drang nach Osten[/i] or [i]Lebensraum[/i] or referring to Berlin as the [i]Reichshauptstadt[/i].
I've kidded German friends about things like this and they typically don't find it funny at all.
Extreme nationalism has only resulted in bad things for Germany and they are quite sensitive to such issues.
The phenomena of having them openly fly German flags is very recent and is all related to the success of the [i]Nationalelf[/i] or the German national football team.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]I would avoid using terms such as [i]Drang nach Osten[/i] or [i]Lebensraum[/i] or referring to Berlin as the [i]Reichshauptstadt[/i]. [/QUOTE]
Nationalism is not very common for us Germans, obviously through our history. I as many other have not lived these times - and I am thankful for it, people call it "Gnade der späten Geburt" - and can't be held responsible. But we should never forget. Drive to Buchenwald or Auschwitz. It's worth it.
Lebensraum is a word abused by the Nazis. Also Reichshauptstadt. Berlin is Bundeshauptstadt, it is the Bundesrepublik Deutschland, not "Deutsches Reich". Nazi vocabulary and the times related are not things to make fun about. Same as some abreviations as SS, SA, NS, AH or related numbers used by Neonazis (18 for AH) or the Hells Angels (81 for HA).
HB
A topic which invariably came up in conversations with friends during my last visit to Germany was the price of gasoline. This would then lead to a discussion about how prices in general have risen at unprecedented rates.
This, of course, led me to ask myself: How have prices for services at FKK clubs evolved in the time I’ve been indulging in these services?
I found some old notes from my very first FKK trip in 1999 and thought I’d do a pricing comparison.
Back then pricing was in DMarks but the Euro was on the horizon and eventually became the payment currency in the January, 2002 time-frame.
The exchange rate for this conversion was 1.95583 DMarks to 1 Euro. For purposes of keeping things simple, let’s just say it was 2.00 DM to 1.00 Euro.
If you remember that far back, the conversion of the DMark to the Euro led to all sorts of jokes about the new “Teuro”. The Euro was perceived to be a smokescreen for everyone to raise prices across all businesses. That was the prevailing worry.
I compared the entry fee plus a single session for the following clubs: Inges/Arena, Babylon, Blue Note, PHG for the 1999 and 2008 time frame. I also compared the three session rate at the Grimbergsauna (a Red Carpet club) and the PT rate at Hilden Superparty (which later moved and became PT Mettmann) for the same time period. (Note: Entry fees first followed by the per session fee.)
Inges/Arena, before 50 (a special entry fee, she said when I entered this club – I believe it was normally 100 DMarks) + 70 = 120 DMarks, after 35 + 50 = 85 Euros
Babylon, before 70 + 150 = 220 DMarks, after 35 + 75 = 110 Euros
Blue Note, before 100 + 70 = 170 DMarks, after 55 + 30 = 85 Euros
PHG, before 100 + 100 = 200 DMarks, after 50 + 50 = 100 Euros
Grimbergsauna, before 230 DMarks for three sessions, after 30 + (30 times 3) = 120 Euros
Hilden/PT Mettmann, before 200 or 250 DMarks, after 100 or 120 Euros
I did not compare the pricing of extras or extended sessions to keep things simple.
PHG offered a BJ with and a BJ without option previously. I compared pricing for the BJ without.
I am trying to find my notes on Bernds from this time period but haven’t succeeded yet.
The FKK world at that time was lot simpler. Red Carpet clubs were where I cut my teeth. Oase had just opened. I don’t believe Atlantis was in the picture yet. GT and World were a twinkle in someone’s eyes.
The results of this comparison surprised me. This rough sampling points to almost no price inflation over the past nine years in Euro terms.
If you earn dollars though, there definitely has been inflation.
The average dollar to Euro exchange rate in 1999 was $0.94. It is around $1.57 these days which means in dollar terms rates have increased 67% or 5.9% per year on a compound annual rate for the past nine years.
This compound annual rate is derived from the following equation:
FV = PV X ((1 + i) ^n)
Where FV = Future value, PV = Present value, i = interest rate, n = number of compound periods.
So solving for i or the interest rate,
((FV/PV) ^ (1/n)) – 1 = i
In other words, take the nth root of the future value divided by the present value and deduct one from that quantity.
There have not been any differences in services provided during this time frame so I think this is an apples to apples comparison. As I’ve written before, the concept of post-coital time has totally disappeared. I would be curious to see if its returned to Babylon. The mix of women has changed at these clubs in favor of Romanians and Bulgarians.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]
As I’ve written before, the concept of post-coital time has totally disappeared. I would be curious to see if its returned to Babylon. The mix of women has changed at these clubs in favor of Romanians and Bulgarians.[/QUOTE]
What's the equation for solving the post-coital decrease?
((FV/PC) ^ (n/1)) +1 = i ? with PC being post coital and FV being fuck value ;-)
[QUOTE=Breadman]What's the equation for solving the post-coital decrease?
((FV/PC) ^ (n/1)) +1 = i ? with PC being post coital and FV being fuck value ;-)[/QUOTE]
I'm still trying to get by "the heat of the meat is directly proportional to the angle of the dangle". :)
[QUOTE=Jackyo]I'm still trying to get by "the heat of the meat is directly proportional to the angle of the dangle". :)[/QUOTE]It is porportional only if you multiply by the mass of the ass and then divide by the penis envy constant.
FKKs are still good value compared to mongering in North America. A good escort that would be equal to a less attractive FKK girl in the US will cost 300 to 400 dollars a session, even with a devalued greenback, you can still get some excellent sex at an FKK.
[QUOTE=Caesarr999]It is porportional only if you multiply by the mass of the ass and then divide by the penis envy constant.[/QUOTE]
There you go!
The heat of the meat and angle of the dangle relationship is interesting because it would require a function which converts degrees of temperature into directional degrees.
Add to this the mass of ass and the penis envy constant and you have some whopping equation!
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]FKKs are still good value compared to mongering in North America. A good escort that would be equal to a less attractive FKK girl in the US will cost 300 to 400 dollars a session, even with a devalued greenback, you can still get some excellent sex at an FKK.[/QUOTE]
Canada used to be the place...85 usd for an hour. Now its closer to 180 usd for an hour. And you'd be lucky if you actually luck out and book the girls on the top of your list.
I remember the first time I entered an FKK in 2001 I could not believe how ridiculously cheap it was, in Babylon I had sex with five beautiful women for less money than I spent in the US for escorts who were mediocre in service. Although it has become more expensive, I still think its a good value.
In Canada the only decent action is in Montreal, that city has an amazing variety of providers.
Hello!
I see references in the reports to 'PSE' experience as compared to 'GFE' attitude with some nice ladies from time to time. Would you guys explain to a newbie what the real difference is and what Porn Star Experience session usually gives to a guy? No explanation found in the forums. Looks like smth better to have from the babe I choose for a session. :) PM me if feel more appropriate.
Thanks,
Turisto