Angeles City

[QUOTE=Goferring;3030883]I typically avoid the Fresh Off the Bus. [/QUOTE]Same. For me, there comes a time when someone becomes sexual. And another time when they become ready to go further and 1) Parade themselves nearly naked in front of old men; and 2) Readily go with same and have sex; and 3) Become comfortable with those things. I don't see why FOB girls can't spend their first night in the bar as a fully clothed observer, and her second night in a gogo as a bikini'd drinks-only girl. Have been in multiple AC and Burgos gogos and had similar experience where a mama is dragging a brand new 4' 8" half naked cutie around showing her off as:[I] "Look. First night in the bar. You want"?[/I] Cute AF, but deer-in-the-headlights appearance, and not ready for a barfine at that moment. Hard pass on this girl, and look for one with at least a few weeks of experience in the bar.

Can be a dice roll. But I still like to roll the dice with them. My success with them is 75%. I take more time with foreplay with them to work them up but more importantly to relax them. Once relaxed they can enjoy it and it is an eye opener for them sexually. That is what I like watching their face as I pump slowly and the relax and enjoy it. Sometimes it is their first big O!

I like them all, as long as they're not fat or have dicks.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3031173]I like them all, as long as they're not fat or have dicks.[/QUOTE]When you have a huge exception such as not fat, then you don't like them all. You probably left out another huge exception which is not ugly. So it is probably I like them all as long as they're not fat or ugly. But then if you think a little more, It is probably even more exceptions such as as long as they don't have baby damage or fill in the blank. And then the statement becomes meaningless.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3031227]When you have a huge exception such as not fat, then you don't like them all. You probably left out another huge exception which is not ugly. So it is probably I like them all as long as they're not fat or ugly. But then if you think a little more, It is probably even more exceptions such as as long as they don't have baby damage or fill in the blank. And then the statement becomes meaningless.[/QUOTE]Of course if I have where to choose from, I'll go for the top ones, but if there is no choice, I'll take it if not fat, thus I did some fat ones on the Camotes islands, because was nothing else there.

If they have all the teeth in the mouth, than beauty is an abstract construct based on past experiences, so I try to find beauty in all of them. Just think about all those clips on the internet where you see a beautiful face becoming uglier or the reverse after a makeup job removal or application. I prefer the ones that look the same before and after showering.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3029028]Your main variable in this equation is time..,[/QUOTE]Thanks brothers for the tips. Yeah, I'm kind of experienced in that game so I know what to expect but at the same time reading your posts there were few things that I didn't thought about then.

After all I decided to switch to Cebu instead of Angeles. My main reason is that in Cebu there is much more things to do like normal bars, coffee shops, nice areas to walk around. And I was thinking ok, Angeles is a fish pond but what will do during the day. So not sure if I took the right decision but I decided to bet on Cebu and to try to find a freelancer there. And as the Old Master suggested, these 5 days hopefully will be enough to make the casting and to know the contestant a little better before taking them to Coron.

But oh how tempted I am to visit Angeles. I just love places that screams "pure debauchery" LOL And Angeles smells like that. Don't know, probably after Coron will go there to spend 2-3 nights and from there will go back home. Maybe the last few days of the trip will be the craziest!

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3031173]I like them all, as long as they're not fat or have dicks.[/QUOTE]Once in 100 girls I will take on a fat one for a change of pace. Some have been a great fuck. Some fat ones came with a beautiful skinny one. Like a package deal!

[QUOTE=Onojdi;3031549]Thanks brothers for the tips. Yeah, I'm kind of experienced in that game so I know what to expect but at the same time reading your posts there were few things that I didn't thought about then.

After all I decided to switch to Cebu instead of Angeles. My main reason is that in Cebu there is much more things to do like normal bars, coffee shops, nice areas to walk around. And I was thinking ok, Angeles is a fish pond but what will do during the day. So not sure if I took the right decision but I decided to bet on Cebu and to try to find a freelancer there. And as the Old Master suggested, these 5 days hopefully will be enough to make the casting and to know the contestant a little better before taking them to Coron.

But oh how tempted I am to visit Angeles. I just love places that screams "pure debauchery" LOL And Angeles smells like that. Don't know, probably after Coron will go there to spend 2-3 nights and from there will go back home. Maybe the last few days of the trip will be the craziest![/QUOTE]I remembered: there are 2 girly bars in Coron, but they are the karaoke type, one is in the way to the airport at the edge of town on your left, the other one is at the opposite end of town, you'll have to pay a trike driver to take you there since they are locals oriented. When I was there I had my own local girl (an alcoholic rich fotomodel) but a friend was visiting me, and we went there shopping. The girls were all tailored for the PH taste, all extra fat, so there was nothing to take out, and my GF at the time didn't have no friends for him, because she wasn't living there most of the time, and her house was far out of the city in Turda anyway. After I ditched the alcoholic fotomodel due to high costs associated with her white wine addiction, I never went back there, so this is old info.

I've been following this thread for a few months new and picked up tons of useful advice, so I wanted to add my own recent trip details. As someone fairly new to this scene, under the median age of us in the sport, first in the Philippines, this might help newbies more than veterans.

Stayed at One Euphoria, lounge, TV, balcony, and kitchen. Pricey, bit I was in holiday-mode so happy to spend. The ground-floor 7-Eleven was super handy. Quick couple-minute walk to Walking Street. If you're pretty drunk, though, grabbing a 100-peso motorbike might be a good idea.

Phillies sports bar, near the start of Walking Street and often mentioned here, was a great 'base' and kick-off the nights. Relaxed, heaps of westerners. Grab a stool on the counter facing the street, sip a 95-peso beer, great people watching. Basic food, HEAPS of sports.

A Manila buddy suggested Aqua Beach Club on the top of ABC Hotel. I checked it out solo around 5:30 PM. Rooftop spot the with dancing girls, a DJ, 400-peso entry (500 total with a beer). It was nice but felt off being alone. Taking up a whole table without a group not great. I nursed one drink and left; I'm told its the only spot in town with a cover charge. Looked like a lot of fun to bring a girl back to, or a group.

Chatting with a guy at Phillies, he recommended Masquerades and Cosplay as favorites. He says Cosplay has some of the prettiest girls (turned out true). He says standard barfine runs 5,000 pesos.

Heeding forum tips for better odds by starting early, I hit Masquerades around 7 PM. Staff seated me with down. Stage girls were average not great. But a nearby off-stage one stood out, nice and chatty. We flirted easily; I bought her a 290-peso lady drink, then another round. She stepped away and I asked another girl about barfining her: quoted 5,000. Things clicked, so I proposed leaving together. To my surprise, she declined: no hotel visits. Felt like a waste after the drinks; I paid up and left. I thought she was available but just hadn't yet rotated to the stage? I guess stick with the stage-girls to be safe, or check willingness upfront. In hindsight maybe she was Korean only?

Disappointed, I ducked into Cosplay; way more attractive women, around 30 on a big stage. Mamasan guided me to bench seating. I scanned quickly and zeroed in on an eager one at the end smiling, waving, super keen (I'd take an enthusiastic 6-7 over a bored 8-9 any day). She joined me; drinks for us, easy talk, and she was handsy from the start. Barfine confirmed at 5,000 for Long Time, (Confirmed with mamasan this meant overnight). Nice. We walked back, hit 7-Eleven for beers. She suggested the hotel's top-floor bar, but it was crowded, so straight to the room. Action was great first round. Post-fun, she got hungry; we got Jollibee delivered, chilled and chatted in the lounge watching a K-drama episode. She's half-Korean, and said she is normally Korean-only, but made an exception for me skewing younger, and I arrived just before her 8 PM shift end.

After food and TV (now past midnight, about four hours in), no second round; she wanted to head home to sleep. Mild letdown, but I didn't press. I floated returning to the bar for a refund on the "long-time" deal since she bailed early. She said she checked via text and said over three hours meant no refunds. Not sure if true, not worth the hassle at that hour, so I booked her a Grab and she left.

Others have mentioned disappointment with girls leaving early on LT. Getting ST might be the way to go for first-time meetings.

On the Korean crowd: Reports of them dominating seemed exaggerated. Sure they're around, but I didn't feel like there were fewer westerners than Koreans.

Hotel and ID safety: I've heard that some spots ask girls to hand in IDs at reception, retrieve after a room call to ensure no issues (like theft). My hotel's reception wasn't en route to elevators, so skipped it. Bar girls feel lower-risk since bars can ID them, but maybe for a FL, I might detour to reception for peace of mind.

I was only in AC for a few nights but will definitely be back.

[QUOTE=SlickFox;3032875]To my surprise, she declined: no hotel visits. Felt like a waste after the drinks; I paid up and left. [i]I thought she was available but just hadn't yet rotated to the stage? I guess stick with the stage-girls to be safe, or check willingness upfront. In hindsight maybe she was Korean only?[/i][/QUOTE]Good Phil's freshman report.

All the above might have been reasons for her not going with you. A few more: She was on her period. Or something about you put her off the scent (she just didn't like you). If your intention is to barfine, consider befriending a mama, buy her a drink, and ask her if the girl is available for barfine tonight, or ask her to point out only girls who are barfining tonight. It can cut thru the b*llsh*t of buying several girls LD's only to be turned down each time.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3033072]Good Phil's freshman report.

All the above might have been reasons for her not going with you. A few more: She was on her period. Or something about you put her off the scent (she just didn't like you). If your intention is to barfine, consider befriending a mama, buy her a drink, and ask her if the girl is available for barfine tonight, or ask her to point out only girls who are barfining tonight. It can cut thru the b*llsh*t of buying several girls LD's only to be turned down each time.[/QUOTE]While in a bar when I invite a girl over, my first question is always: do you BF? If she says no, then of course I still buy her a drink, because is awkward to send her back right away, but at least I know to keep looking, and I interogate her about the other ones, or about pointing out which mamasan manages some girl, in case that I'll have to go thru the mamasan route if she doesn't know anything about my next choice.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3033116]While in a bar when I invite a girl over, my first question is always: do you BF? If she says no, then of course I still buy her a drink, because is awkward to send her back right away, [/QUOTE]What is awkward about that? I would just ask her well who does and be finished with it. I would not buy someone a drink just because I called them over to ask a question.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3033145]What is awkward about that? I would just ask her well who does and be finished with it. I would not buy someone a drink just because I called them over to ask a question.[/QUOTE]I guess I'm too soft and old fashioned, thinking about how the others perceive possible future encounters with me when all eyes are on the one I chose, and how I handle her. They are all hookers, but I still like them to behave "girlfriendly" when with me.

Mamasans are better sources of info, but there is also a conflict of interes, I had instances where they made deceitful promises, just to push a sale, so if something was already put in motion, and the girl is sitting next to me I'll extract whatever intel possible from her for a few bucks that her LD costs, also avoiding treating them like dogs that you call, then chase away. Mamasans will limit your choice to the girls in their flock, and there usually are 2-3 flocks present in a bar simultaneously, for that reason I prefer advice from waitresses.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3033116]While in a bar when I invite a girl over, my first question is always: do you BF? If she says no, then of course I still buy her a drink, because is awkward to send her back right away, [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3033145]What is awkward about that? I would just ask her well who does and be finished with it. I would not buy someone a drink just because I called them over to ask a question.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3033179]I guess I'm too soft and old fashioned, [/QUOTE]I'm with ME. Back when I was in barfine mode, I was completely not interested in girls who are not on the prowl for a barfine TONIGHT (K girls, menstruation, etc). Burgos, AC, or the province. No LD's for them. OTOH when out just pervin', then any cutie critter will do for LD. Awkward-ness is what the gogo bar system is hoping you will feel, its part of the girl's and bar's SOP money-making scheme: constant turnover of fellas buying multiple LD's (too afraid to interview a girl before buying LD), regardless of barfines. Money better kept in my pocket for vaxxin'.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3033338]I'm with ME. Back when I was in barfine mode, I was completely not interested in girls who are not on the prowl for a barfine TONIGHT (K girls, menstruation, etc). Burgos, AC, or the province. No LD's for them. OTOH when out just pervin', then any cutie critter will do for LD. Awkward-ness is what the gogo bar system is hoping you will feel, its part of the girl's and bar's SOP money-making scheme: constant turnover of fellas buying multiple LD's (too afraid to interview a girl before buying LD), regardless of barfines. Money better kept in my pocket for vaxxin'.[/QUOTE]Maybe I should change my ways, but so far it served me good, and lately I go so rarely to the bars that a LD more or less doesn't even matter.

I get it for free or almost free in the province, the AC bar experience is something that I need from time to time, and it's mostly for the promiscuos environment, and maybe I miss the hustle. Just by thinking of it I carve the feeling of talking to complete strangers with the obvious intent of inserting my dick into them as casual as you talk with your waitress at the restaurant about what to put on your burger. Probably I'm fucked up in the head, but I like it.

Later today my GF returns after almost a week absence, and it's bringing a cousin to stay with us for a few days, as soon as I will inoculate her (I'm adopting your vaxxing terminology) I'm buying airfare to AC for the weekend, because talking about this fogged my brain, and I'm already having olfactory hallucinations feeling the smell of stale beer, cheap perfume, and a whiff of raw sewage, while hearing "ladies!" and the horns blazing "tu tu tututuuuu". I hope the GF doesn't want to go with me, and stays with her cousin, because the AC course of events played in my head doesn't involve her this time. Vaxxing variety was maximum achieved this week in the province, mostly by unplanned encounters, so I need this AC trip for my inner child, not to fulfill the quotas.