Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Onnut69;1766488]I think you need some help. Or a commission?[/QUOTE]I'm getting people accusing me of taking a commission, asking me for her phone number, what area she lives in. Guys I'm not a pimp. I have contributed multiple posts to the board and I have no idea about this stuff. If you want her info I have line ID only, and frankly I have just decided not to give it out any further. You guys are too much! Ungrateful and frankly you need to get with the times and use Line. PM's closed for this topic, I will not reply to anymore and I will be asking Jackson to kindly delete the post on my behalf.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1766406]I just happen to have the details of a pregnant girl that wants to hook up tonight. She replied to one of my social network ads. It's really not my thing but she seems like she needs the cash. 8 months pregnant, 19 and cute. PM me for contact details. Do not ask me to post in the forum because I will ignore and contact details cannot be posted here. You must be in Bangkok and want to hook up today only. I have 2 photos and line ID. She was knocked up by a foreigner, not a Thai man. She is asking 4,000THB.[/QUOTE]Hey Bkkdog,

Thanks for the kind offer, I won't arrive to thailand until Tuesday sadly. And don't sweat if others are giving you a hard time. Just ignore them and move on.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1766491]frankly I have just decided not to give it out any further. You guys are too much! Ungrateful and frankly you need to get with the times and use Line. PM's closed for this topic, I will not reply to anymore and I will be asking Jackson to kindly delete the post on my behalf.[/QUOTE]No good deed goes unpunished, BKK. That is one of the reasons why I do not give out personal info on my girls. Another reason I do not hand out personal info is that there are too many takers and readers with questionable mores and sexual attitudes on the open forum. I am not willing to put a target on the face of any girl I have had a good time with. I contribute more than sufficient information about places to Find great girls and the APPROACH I have that ensures my favorable success ratio. Ultimately it is up to the individual punter to go out and create his own magic. A pretty simple task in LOS if you ask me.

Lately you have written about hooking up with girls on the social medium; sites like CL, Backpage, Thai Friendly, Thai Love Links, and Twoo. Up to this point, I have not used these sources to FIND girls, but that may change on my next trip. I have engaged in a little light chatting with a couple of cute girls on Thai Friendly. It remains to be seen if I will set up a date, but I agree with you that we have to keep up with the times. In 2015 I first began staying in touch with my favorites using Line, Viber, and WeChat. It was a big improvement over emails. So if more and more attractive FL's are now setting up shop on the internet rather than hanging out in clubs or out on the street, so be it. I will eventually go where the best girls are.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1766491]I'm getting people accusing me of taking a commission, asking me for her phone number, what area she lives in. [/QUOTE]Use your ignore function, this happens all the time.

And NB is right -- there are tons of trolls at ISG that never contribute but are leechers. And next time you'll know -- no harm done! ;)

The term, in "our world", means a working P4 P girl, not strictly linked or employed a bar, a gogo, a massage parlour, an escort website.

She might be hitting the streets, she might be searching for customers in a bar (take beer garden, as an example), she might be advertising on CL, on TF, or similar social media, she might give you the eye in the BTS or in a shopping mall, she might even work in the shopping mall, but at the end you pay.

"Freebie" means a girl will not specifically ask for money, she might enjoy a dining out, movies, maybe some shopping, maybe just happy to have found a FB, or maybe just happy to get (real) taxi money. She might even be a P4 P happy to have a non working sex evening. In this case it helps being hansum, maybe nice and young.

As simple as that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1766369]I still see plenty of more than decent looking freelancers standing up and down Sukhumvit Road and Soi 4 for hours at a time every night of the week [/QUOTE]I'm either blind, or we're not thinking about the same Sukhumvit Road and Soi 4. Sure, there is a number of well-worn women around at night, and an occasional one could maybe pass for decent if I squinted real hard. However, most of them have been around for a long time, and look off-puttingly hardened compared to what I was used to seeing there 5-10 years ago (hundreds of girls in the same area, 50% looking better than top 5% do now). I'm not all that picky either, just cannot fail to notice the difference.

Thanks for the tips on the BTS, I'll try to fish for eye contact a bit harder. Unfortunately, the BTS suffers from a negative comparison effect: a girl who might stand out in looks among the dregs of Soi 3 would likely look way too trashy among the BTS office girls.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1766540]I'm either blind, or we're not thinking about the same Sukhumvit Road and Soi 4. Sure, there is a number of well-worn women around at night, and an occasional one could maybe pass for decent if I squinted real hard. However, most of them have been around for a long time, and look off-puttingly hardened compared to what I was used to seeing there 5-10 years ago (hundreds of girls in the same area, 50% looking better than top 5% do now). I'm not all that picky either, just cannot fail to notice the difference.

Thanks for the tips on the BTS, I'll try to fish for eye contact a bit harder. Unfortunately, the BTS suffers from a negative comparison effect: a girl who might stand out in looks among the dregs of Soi 3 would likely look way too trashy among the BTS office girls.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with you about lack of FLs on Sukumvit road. I just mentioned this in my recent report that one evening I noticed just 5/6 girls whereas in past I used to see close to hundred between Nana and T21. Other evenings and nights were not much better. Ditto earlier this year and in Nov last year. I wish things improve but ATM they seem to have taken a turn for the worse.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1766558]I fully agree with you about lack of FLs on Sukumvit road. I just mentioned this in my recent report that one evening I noticed just 5/6 girls whereas in past I used to see close to hundred between Nana and T21. Other evenings and nights were not much better. Ditto earlier this year and in Nov last year. I wish things improve but ATM they seem to have taken a turn for the worse.[/QUOTE]The ladies are not walking the streets like they used to. They are sitting in the bars playing the chat apps and getting customers. I actually searched we chat in a bar, found the lady on the app in the same bar and hooked up that way. No need for embarrassing rejections, or mistaken identities. Please check out some of the info I've posted.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3716-Chat-App-Reports[/URL]

[QUOTE=Allover;1766379]Ten years ago any farang, even older and overwight, could pretty much walk in a gogo and ask the prettiest girl in the gogo to join him for a drink. You could wave the girl over or have waitress or mamasan get her to come to your table. After a few minutes it was no problem taking her ST or LT. Those days are gone. The girl now chooses the customer and the old guys like me no longer have access to the best in the bar. Also many girls at the top go gos won't even go to the hotel for ST. They want to use a nearby ST hotel. I really believe there has been a serious decline in the monger experience.[/QUOTE]I don't agree. I did experience knock backs 10 years ago. It hasn't got worse. Maybe 20 years ago girls were not supposed to refuse a customer. I am not sure.

Better to get a knock back than a starfish or dick scared girl.

In distant past I can recall girls looking miserable to have been barfined by an asshole type of customer.

To me bargirls have always had ability to refuse sex or to set a high price. In very old times the girls may have needed the money more desperately.

My observation has been the ratio of hot and available FLs, go-go dancers, beer bar girls, and so on to customers offering to take them is the same today as it was 20 years ago when I made my first trips to Thailand; there are many more of those girls available than there are those customers. That's the ratio. More hot girls than there are customers to keep them busy. That has always been the ratio. It is as much a buyer's market today as ever. Maybe more so. At 1:15 AM Nana Plaza closing time last night there were dozens of young, slender, cute or pretty FLs lined up and down Soi 3 waiting for any customer of virtually any age and body-to-weight proportions to stop and talk with them, ask them to do a Short Time. Standing there with a buddy for at least 20 minutes watching a non-stop flow of men of all ages passing by, I rarely saw a man stop to engage or to even say Hello to one of those FLs. I was one of them. I got the biggest smile from one of the cutest girls I've ever seen working the street, an introduction, she held my hand unwilling to let go and virtually begged me to take her for the Short Time or Long Time, my choice.

I thanked her, apologized for not taking her this night and moved on. That's right. I didn't take one of those girls either. Why? Because my friend wanted to go to Thermae for the first time and see what was on tap there. Since his time was limited and he would be flying out of Thailand in a day or two, I wanted to go wherever he wanted to go. The girl who tried to nab me didn't go into details about "how much?" and I didn't bring it up either. Unless I am actually ready to take a girl on the spot, I don't like to get into discussions of things like how much, how long or what's on the agenda. I feel the best time to bring up that stuff is when she is up on her toes ready to be kissed, so to speak, not as some sort of general survey on a night when I know I won't be taking her anyway. But I have no reason to believe this girl would have stood her ground for more than about 1500 baht - 2000 baht for Short Time. She was young and cute enough to get it. Some of the others would have gone for less I believe. But there were definitely some cuties there waiting to be taken but without any takers.

At Thermae, I saw a lovely young lady with light skin, light brown hair, near perfect face and teeth, a super sweet smile, and fantastic legs standing in the line up on the right side, I put down my ice tea no lemon no sugar within minutes of sitting on a stool to check out the talent, stepped over to say Hello, exchange names and, all in English, asked if she was interested in Long Time or just Short Time. She smiled broadly and said, "up to you". I could tell she was hesitating on the Long Time vs Short Time question because we hadn't mentioned anything about money. So I broke the tension by asking her what she wanted for Long Time. She asked for 5000 baht if we did Long Time, I countered with 4000 baht if she stayed until at least 10 AM. She happily agreed and off we went.

It was one of the best first nights with a FL or, for that matter, any P4P girl I've ever had. Well worth the 4000 baht for Long Time that I slipped into her folded clothing the next morning. When she came out of the shower to collect it, she came up to me, hugged me and asked, "Is this for me? Karp khun mak ka!" And when I walked her out, I did not give her more for taxi, just for the hell of it or for any other reason. I had given her 4000 baht as agreed upon in the bar, no more. She was thrilled, must have texted me back 15 times thanking me and hoping I come see her again sometime. Maybe I should have offered her only 2000 baht for Long Time. LOL. No way. This girl was easily one of the 10 best looking girls in Thermae out of at least 80 at that hour.

When she and I walked out of Thermae, hand in hand, there were still at least those 80 other girls, the vast majority of them being more than decent, even very hot girls standing around without a customer, no approaches, no offers. Just like the dozen or more young girls standing outside Nana Plaza a half hour earlier.

And there were also tons of hot go-go dancers walking out of Nana Plaza area at closing time without a customer in hand. I realize they might have had two or more Short Times earlier that evening. But at closing time, which on this night was only 1:15 AM, the vast majority of them had no customer. Maybe some went to after hours bars to scrounge up a customer, I don't know.

A quick overview; I am a 62 year old white guy from the USA. I would not be mistaken for Johnny Depp or Leonardo DiCaprio. But my weight is fairly proportionate to my height with at least an extra few kilos I should not be carrying around. Keeping from packing on many more kilos than that is not much to ask of yourself if you really want to boff and get blown by hot young girls who are often 1/3 your age at retirement, IMO.

I have observed this same scenario almost every night for the past several years that I have lived in Bangkok. Girls, girls, girls, as good looking as I have ever seen working the P4P business in Bangkok, available and waiting to be taken, but no man approaches, no man makes an offer for long stretches of time, sometimes hours. I see no reason in the world that a 50+ year old customer, even with no game at all, would have to go to bed any night of the week in Bangkok without having fucked or been blown by one of these many, many young girls to be seen all over the place, all the P4P venues and everywhere else in the city.

However, I agree that there are fewer FLs standing around the usual haunts. But that takes me back to my original point; that, now as always, there are more available girls than there are interested customers. There is no reason for 10,000 more girls to bus down from the outlying provinces or BTS in from the poorer areas of Bangkok to stand next to girls who are already standing there for hours at a time without a customer. There aren't enough paying customers to justify an influx of more girls.

I suppose we could argue about which came first, the fewer girls or the fewer customers. But I put it on there being fewer customers, fewer men with the gumption, money or both to plan a trip, buy an airline ticket and show up. I have no doubt that if 20,000 more interested customers showed up next month, so many that all of the decent girls in town were truly gone and nowhere to be found after 8 PM, the following month 40,000 more girls from outlying provinces and other areas of Bangkok who, after hearing all about it, would start showing up to capitalize on the opportunity. But as long as there isn't an abundance of paying customers relative to a paltry few decent or hot girls and instead the ratio is the other way around, there is no incentive for even more girls to show up and stand on Sukhumvit Road in the heat and rain for hours at a time playing Candy Crush on their smartphones.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1766672]I don't agree. I did experience knock backs 10 years ago. It hasn't got worse. Maybe 20 years ago girls were not supposed to refuse a customer. I am not sure.
.. To me bargirls have always had ability to refuse sex or to set a high price. In very old times the girls may have needed the money more desperately.[/QUOTE]When you learn that some girls do self barfine for a night out (or more) with friends, you understand that some have less pressure than before to earn money.

[QUOTE=Allover;1766379]Ten years ago any farang, even older and overwight, could pretty much walk in a gogo and ask the prettiest girl in the gogo to join him for a drink. You could wave the girl over or have waitress or mamasan get her to come to your table. After a few minutes it was no problem taking her ST or LT. Those days are gone. The girl now chooses the customer and the old guys like me no longer have access to the best in the bar. Also many girls at the top go gos won't even go to the hotel for ST. They want to use a nearby ST hotel. I really believe there has been a serious decline in the monger experience.[/QUOTE]Meh, times change. You'll have to go somewhere somewhere cheaper if you don't want to be turned down. As mentioned girls were a lot more desperate in the past but, now they have more opportunities. I prefer this as I spend little to no money on girls who see themselves as independent and I really have no desire to see anyone or any country be held back from advancing. In my lineup I currently have a Mango girl, a retired Snow White girl, a retired Tulip girl, the receptionist from my gym, a private business owner, a college student, an over 18 high school student, a model, a traveling salesman and many other girls that I spend no money on. They spend time with me and fuck me because for whatever reason, they like me. You may have to adjust your methods if you still want to have all the hot girls. All the hot girls are still around but, how you get to them is a little different now.

I am going to BKK with a few friends in January, and I want to hire a girl to hang out with me during my stay. My goal is to have a beautiful young Thai who would have sex with me when I was horny, like in the morning, might leave to have some private time during the day while I am working, and then return at night to go to dinner, clubs, music etc. I like to hunt for girls, and a good girl could help me put together threesomes and (if she has friends) maybe some group sex stuff with one of my friends.

I have done this before, but it seems harder to find girls in the old locations. In the past, I used DIA and Tagged, and found one or two willing ladies to keep me company for about $100 USA per day. Now, it seems that no one really wants to discuss getting down with me. Maybe its my age (my profiles say I am 51, but my photos show a younger guy- who is not me LOL). But then again, it was easier only 2 years ago.

Can anyone recommend a better web site for me than DIA or Tagged for finding a semi-pro or even a non hardened pro willing to keep me company for a nice fee?

Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks! F.

[QUOTE=Forest;1767093]
Can anyone recommend a better web site for me than DIA or Tagged for finding a semi-pro or even a non hardened pro willing to keep me company for a nice fee?

Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks! F.[/QUOTE]Try the obvious one, craigslist.

[QUOTE=Forest;1767093]I am going to BKK with a few friends in January, and I want to hire a girl to hang out with me during my stay. My goal is to have a beautiful young Thai who would have sex with me when I was horny, like in the morning, might leave to have some private time during the day while I am working, and then return at night to go to dinner, clubs, music etc. I like to hunt for girls, and a good girl could help me put together threesomes and (if she has friends) maybe some group sex stuff with one of my friends. Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks! F.[/QUOTE]Goal: Fantasyland!