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[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3020986]What's the communication approach you guys use when talking to Filipinas?

I'm on pinalove and I don't think the girls understand or vibe with my American banter LOL.

Do you they usually appreciate more straightforward approach, showering with praise or ymmv?[/QUOTE]Straightforward better, and keep things fairly simple. They will tend to be quite literal so sarcasm and irony generally go right over the head and can even cause conflict. Also never ask multiple questions at once, you will only get an answer to one of them.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3020986]What's the communication approach you guys use when talking to Filipinas?

I'm on pinalove and I don't think the girls understand or vibe with my American banter LOL.

Do you they usually appreciate more straightforward approach, showering with praise or ymmv?[/QUOTE]I was going to send you a private message about this, but you don't yet have PM. The info you get here, in public and in private, is worth the price of annual admission: $20.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3020986]What's the communication approach you guys use when talking to Filipinas?

I'm on pinalove and I don't think the girls understand or vibe with my American banter LOL.

Do you they usually appreciate more straightforward approach, showering with praise or ymmv?[/QUOTE]The info the other guys have given you is valuable. For me, it's worked best with the ones who want you to get off Pina and message them via WhatsApp. They're the players and not the time wasters. No use dealing in the small talk. Tell them up-front in your profile that you're looking for a good time, as opposed to a relationship, if that's what you're after.

No use spending hours sending messages, when you can get them into your room and then ask them what you want.

Play it right and you'll get a hot girl for three days at the price of a short time bar fine in Burgos or similar.

Just my (very recent) experience _ Phil.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3020999]A picture of your dick next to a $100 bill so they can size you up quickly. This usually works.[/QUOTE]Never tried that approach DG, but I'm sure it's straight to the point and may work wonders.

[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;3021062]Straightforward better, and keep things fairly simple. They will tend to be quite literal so sarcasm and irony generally go right over the head and can even cause conflict. Also never ask multiple questions at once, you will only get an answer to one of them.[/QUOTE]Exactly BH, they can only answer one question at a time. And then, there's translation issues. I usually just ask them, "What do you want?" and then negotiate from there.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3021065]I was going to send you a private message about this, but you don't yet have PM. The info you get here, in public and in private, is worth the price of annual admission: $20.[/QUOTE]Good call Westie.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3020999]A picture of your dick next to a $100 bill so they can size you up quickly. This usually works.[/QUOTE]I never send dick pics but I have sent photos of P2000 and my room key asking if they left this in my room and when would they like to come and collect it.

You would be surprised how many times she offers to "return" in half an hour.

G.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3020752]For reference, I'm a 24 year old guy going to visit Philippines for the first time. I've been reading through this forum but can't decide whether to go to Manila or Angeles City. So, I need help deciding that. In the states, I use dating apps but don't really get many hits. I've read about PinaLove but I haven't downloaded it. I want to get as many girls as possible within that week. Also, having sex without condom is on my bucket list, LOL.[/QUOTE]Mate, just show up and don't over-think it. You're 24. When I was your age, I was swamped when I hit the ground. I was relatively fit though and a 'good sort' back then.

If you've only got a week, my advice would be not to spend hours in a hotel room looking on Pina when you can walk out the door and find pussy on the street.

In my opinion, both Angeles and Manila are shitholes, but you can have a great time if your mission is sex. I personally prefer other destinations in The Phils, but have more time between business and pleasure.

As for condoms, I've only ever been 'required' to use them twice from memory.

Just don't hook up with them on social media, and best to carry a separate phone for messaging and use in The Phils. If you hook up with a Pina and they can track you down after you leave, no doubt, you'll receive the 'happy' message that you're going to be a father. Followed by endless howling emojis of them needing cash.

Don't let the above put you off. We've all made mistakes and that's called experience.

The Phils is great. There are some amazing times to be had. You just have to learn how to play the game. And although a week might be insufficient, you can always come back for more.

_Phil.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3020752]For reference, I'm a 24 year old guy going to visit Philippines for the first time. I'll stay for about a week or so. I haven't decided when, but I'm thinking anytime between September to October. Flights are reasonably priced. I plan on getting Visa on Arrival. I've been reading through this forum but can't decide whether to go to Manila or Angeles City. So, I need help deciding that. In the states, I use dating apps but don't really get many hits. I've read about PinaLove but I haven't downloaded it. I want to get as many girls as possible within that week. Also, having sex without condom is on my bucket list, LOL. In the States, I get the low income girls (usually restaurant / retail workers or unemployed) who I'm afraid to go raw with because I work at a big tech company and if I get any of these pregnant, they might keep the baby and I'll be done for (big child support payment you know haha). Any advice on where to pick up girls, which hotels to stay at, the cost of things, areas / things to avoid, or anything else will be much appreciated. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I was in AC in 2023 and was not too impressed because there is not much to do in the daytime. I enjoy Manila a lot more and feel like the quality of the girls is better (but also more expensive). In Manila, I recommend Makati. Stay at City Garden and the hotel staff will take good care of you: they always check the girls ID and never let them leave without calling you in your room and making sure you say it is ok for them to leave. On P. Burgos, one block away check out the gogo bars by starting at Kalayaan Avenue and working your way south to Maison. At first just walk into every bar and check out the girls. If you see one you like buy her a drink and see how she vibes with you. Work your way down to Maison, which is the best bar in my opinion and the one where I usually barfine. It's not the cheapest but I have always been able to find an absolute stunner who will start grinding on me and asking me to finger her in the bar after only one or a couple of lady drinks. They usually spend the night with me and if asked about condoms they give the words that I love to hear in the Philippines "up to you. ".

If you want to explore beyond Manila, I recommend Barrio Baretto in Subic Bay over Angeles. It's just a little farther than Angeles but has a beach and daytime activities other than just day drinking. It is also 100% aimed at westerners, with zero Korean influence. Stay at Mango's Beachfront Resort Hotel or Pub Hotel and check out the gogo bars nearby. Lots of nice young girls from the provinces who will genuinely want you to fall in love with them and do everything to please you at Red Bar, the Wet Spot, Alaska Club, etc, etc. Barfines are much lower than Manila and girls are less experiences in a good way. If you like live music check out Queen Victoria, they have some awesome heavy metal cover bands. Hops and Brews beer garden has great food and is clean and totally up to western standards.

Another option other than Angeles is Sabang in Puerto Galera. To get there you take a bus from Manila to Batangas and then a ferry to Mindoro Island, the next island south of Luzon. Stay at Dream Hotel or Big Apple Dive Resort, both of which are right in the tiny alley that is the red light district with 5 or 6 gogo bars. Puerto Galera is less run down than Subic, the boardwalk was recently built, but there is also more Korean influence. Why is Korean influence bad? Because they pay too much and spoil the girls and treat them like a princess and when girls get used to that they won't perform as they should (like taking directions and doing what you ask, etc.). Still, lots of great girls in Sabang Beach both freelance and bargirls.

Both Puerto Galera and Subic had barfines of about 4000 php whereas Manila might be double that at Maison (a bit less at the other gogo bars) but sometimes its worth paying for quality. Freelancers usually start out asking for 2000 but its always negotiable.

Don't be afraid of freelancers and Tinder hookups. To me they are proof positive that sometimes cheaper is better. Sure, its more of a gamble, but if you just want a quick BJ they will work hard for the money and really, some of my best experiences have been with freelancers. Sometimes you find a really horny girl that is into you and she will work like she is hungry for it and it is her favorite thing to do. I hear stories about guys getting ripped off by freelancers but that is why hotels have a safe box. Always keep your valuables in the safe. The real troublemakers will likely be weeded out by the hotel when they check the girls ID, if a girl has caused problems in the past she will be banned from the hotels and they will let you know before you take her up to her room. The hotel staff are well trained and they want you to have a good time and to come back, so don't be afraid to talk to them about where to find girls, etc. Be nice to the security guards, tip them a little and they will look out for you and treat you like a VIP.

Regardless of where you go your going to have a great time!

First five pics are Puerto Galera. Pics 6-10 are Subic Bay.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3020986]What's the communication approach you guys use when talking to Filipinas?

I'm on pinalove and I don't think the girls understand or vibe with my American banter LOL.

Do you they usually appreciate more straightforward approach, showering with praise or ymmv?[/QUOTE]1/ Are you in the Philippines? I don't even chat with girls until I'm in a hotel, looking to meet them today or tomorrow. The only girls who care about you arriving next month or in February are the ones hoping to set up a LDR / Sponsor arrangement and likely won't even meet you should you actually turn up.

2/. Keep it simple. No jokes. No sarcasm. No solving world hunger. Where are they? Do they have work or study commitments? Do they want to meet in person? If she's a hoe, what's the duration and payment plan?

3/. One question, one reply, another question, another reply. If you list 10 questions, only the last one will be answered.

4/. Choose your questions to suit your target. Asking a hoe if she's ok with meeting for paid fun is totally acceptable. However, it may scare off a part timer who wants to meet for coffee first before coming back to "see your room".

5/. Pretty girls receive literally '000's of messages. I agree to move to WhatsApp ASAP so you don't get lost in the queue. If she doesn't have WhatsApp, move on. She's not serious about contacting foreigners and you're not interested in adding to her IG follower list or finding her amongst the hundred other Marys on FB.

6/. I'd also agree that the length of the conversation is inversely proportional to the odds of meeting and swapping body fluids.

A hoe will be three lines: does she fuck for money? Where? When?

A good girl will be a little longer: Where is she? Would she like to meet? When is she off work / class? Meet for coffee or is she shy to be seen in public? Maybe, does she live with family (ie does she have a strict mom watching her every move)?

7/. For all of these, depending on you comfort level, maybe add is she a girl?

8/. Most importantly, be prepared to cut your losses and walk away. Previously, being white and in town guaranteed that 99% of girls would meet you. Now online simps mean that girls can make more money through sponsors and sob stories than meeting and sucking dick.

If she is vague about maybe meeting, needs transport money upfront or has hospital costs for a dying grandma, then just walk away and find another.

9/. PL will only ban you if you offend the other person and she reports you. If you don't offend anyone, you can ask whatever you want. I have asked hoes how much for anal or does she shave her pussy without issue. However, ask the wrong person and she could block you or even have you banned.

Another reason to quickly move to WhatsApp.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3020804]These two items are a bit paradoxical. 'Pick up girls' and 'get a ho' can be fairly different. You mentioned retail workers and such, but didn't mention money. The later (ho) would indicate a bargirl approach in Phils.

Just choose one of the places: Makati / Burgos (gogo bars), or the AC Walking / Red St gogo bars. You will be awash in poon.

Not really. Raising ninyos in Phils is relatively cheap, compared to your home country, especially given your salary. Also the ho's you mentioned would never have any idea who fathered the child (they bareback multiple times per week for a living).

A topic covered many times on the Phils forums. RTTF. Just pick one, and research the differences in price (covered on this board multiple times). We have a 'Search' function in the upper-right corner of every page on ISG.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the advice Westie. I've been on this forum for little more than a year seeing your posts and think to myself that this is the kind of life I want to live, haha. I'm going to fly into Manila and stay in Makati for a few days, then venture into some other place that has a good beach. I'll hit the bars you mentioned to get girls for the night and try to find girls on dating apps to spend time with during the day.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3021089]Mate, just show up and don't over-think it. You're 24. When I was your age, I was swamped when I hit the ground. I was relatively fit though and a 'good sort' back then.

If you've only got a week, my advice would be not to spend hours in a hotel room looking on Pina when you can walk out the door and find pussy on the street.

In my opinion, both Angeles and Manila are shitholes, but you can have a great time if your mission is sex. I personally prefer other destinations in The Phils, but have more time between business and pleasure.

As for condoms, I've only ever been 'required' to use them twice from memory.

Just don't hook up with them on social media, and best to carry a separate phone for messaging and use in The Phils. If you hook up with a Pina and they can track you down after you leave, no doubt, you'll receive the 'happy' message that you're going to be a father. Followed by endless howling emojis of them needing cash.

Don't let the above put you off. We've all made mistakes and that's called experience..[/QUOTE]Thank you for the advice Phil. I'd say I'm decent looking, not 6 foot but close. I'll use PinaLove but I'll also hit the street. I'm going to stay in Makati City for a few days before heading to some place with a beach. This will be my first real mongering experience, and for sure I'll be going back. Even if this one is short, it will at least teach me how to play the game. I just got an extra phone with a phone number, so I'll be using that for messaging. I don't have any social media except Linkedin which I'll be deactivating soon. But you are right, if a girl tracks me down afterward, I should be expecting that sort of news for sure, haha, but then again, with no social media and fake phone number, it's going to be hard for them to track.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3021097]3/. One question, one reply, another question, another reply. If you list 10 questions, only the last one will be answered.[/QUOTE]Typical mistaken conversation style:

Guy: Did you say you have work? What kind of job? BTW how old are you? -- Pinay reply: [I]24[/I].

Asking questions in sentence or paragraph form = failure to get answers to your questions. Either ask them one at a time, or restate them in numbered or bulleted form, such as:

Guy: 1) Did you say you have work 2) What is your job? 3) BTW how old are you? Answer all please.

Either method is a pain, or lengthens the time of the conversation. Also due to possible limited Engrish, expect short replies to deeper questions you might ask:

Guy: Tell me about your family? -- Pinay reply: [I]4 brothers mama die[/I].

The information given has been invaluable!

And it all validates my experiences so far. Every time I've used sarcasm they get offended and they ignore multiple questions LOL. Also I get there next month I was just seeing what was out there. I'll table the talk and see who bites a few days before the flight.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3021089]Mate, just show up and don't over-think it. You're 24. When I was your age, I was swamped when I hit the ground. I was relatively fit though and a 'good sort' back then.

If you've only got a week, my advice would be not to spend hours in a hotel room looking on Pina when you can walk out the door and find pussy on the street.

In my opinion, both Angeles and Manila are shitholes, but you can have a great time if your mission is sex. I personally prefer other destinations in The Phils, but have more time between business and pleasure.

As for condoms, I've only ever been 'required' to use them twice from memory.

Just don't hook up with them on social media, and best to carry a separate phone for messaging and use in The Phils. If you hook up with a Pina and they can track you down after you leave, no doubt, you'll receive the 'happy' message that you're going to be a father. Followed by endless howling emojis of them needing cash..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrPalmerAcc;3021091]I was in AC in 2023 and was not too impressed because there is not much to do in the daytime. I enjoy Manila a lot more and feel like the quality of the girls is better (but also more expensive). In Manila, I recommend Makati. Stay at City Garden and the hotel staff will take good care of you: they always check the girls ID and never let them leave without calling you in your room and making sure you say it is ok for them to leave. On P. Burgos, one block away check out the gogo bars by starting at Kalayaan Avenue and working your way south to Maison. At first just walk into every bar and check out the girls. If you see one you like buy her a drink and see how she vibes with you. Work your way down to Maison, which is the best bar in my opinion and the one where I usually barfine. It's not the cheapest but I have always been able to find an absolute stunner who will start grinding on me and asking me to finger her in the bar after only one or a couple of lady drinks. They usually spend the night with me and if asked about condoms they give the words that I love to hear in the Philippines "up to you. "..[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for the advice. I appreciate the detail. I'll PM you regarding few other questions I had; hope you won't mind.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3021153]Thank you for the advice Phil. I'd say I'm decent looking, not 6 foot but close. I'll use PinaLove but I'll also hit the street. I'm going to stay in Makati City for a few days before heading to some place with a beach. This will be my first real mongering experience, and for sure I'll be going back. Even if this one is short, it will at least teach me how to play the game. I just got an extra phone with a phone number, so I'll be using that for messaging. I don't have any social media except Linkedin which I'll be deactivating soon. But you are right, if a girl tracks me down afterward, I should be expecting that sort of news for sure, haha, but then again, with no social media and fake phone number, it's going to be hard for them to track.[/QUOTE]If they have a date, and a room nr and a friend of a cousin working at the reception, they will easily get a copy of your passport, that's kept in the files, much better to use at the US embassy than a phone nr, or facebook page. There are a million ways to track you if needed, stick to the bargirls, because the one time shop clerks or waitresses will know who's baby it is.

[QUOTE=Goferring]Open Pinalove and I'm not exaggerating that 90% of the girls are from Makati / Manila area. The vast majority are happy to drop around at short notice or, worst case, after meeting for a coffee. I don't do ST but LT is 4 to 5 k with stunners / dreamers trying their luck for 7 or 8 k.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the pricing. Are you sure PL's search engine does not take into account your location, or did you use a VPN?

With effectively-legalised extortion on-the-rise over domestic arguments and non-consensual sex -- what precautions would you recommend with new contacts?

[URL]https://youtu.be/T89deQcVl2k?si=BX5YnKDpwpnM9-QW&t=1650[/URL] advises never to be alone in one's home with a female, even a maid.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3021154]Typical mistaken conversation style:
Guy: Tell me about your family? -- Pinay reply: [I]4 brothers mama die[/I].[/QUOTE]They should have some 'like' button on this forum.

Love it Westie.

_Phil.

[QUOTE=Trevor2522;3021268]Thanks for the pricing. Are you sure PL's search engine does not take into account your location, or did you use a VPN?

With effectively-legalised extortion on-the-rise over domestic arguments and non-consensual sex -- what precautions would you recommend with new contacts?

[URL]https://youtu.be/T89deQcVl2k?si=BX5YnKDpwpnM9-QW&t=1650[/URL] advises never to be alone in one's home with a female, even a maid.[/QUOTE]You can search PL by locations from individual buildings (eg Xavier Church) to Provinces. You can, or not, list your home location in your profile and also choose of you want your current location used. I used the dot com version, not the app and I'm asked trice when I first log in if I allow my location to be used by PL.

Simple. Don't do stupid shit. Take basic security measures for your person and valuables and don't piss people off or cause them to want revenge. Sure, we've all had bad dates but stories of things going seriously sideways always have more to them than what's immediately obvious. The odd minor scam is just the cost of doing business. I've never know a random innocent to be locked up or seriously shaken down just for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

If that advice is followed, then there would be no mongering and hookups. At some point you have to take your chances and bring her back to your room. Unless you only want to fuck in public places. 😀.

Remember, thousands of girls and guys are ficking everyday without incident. Be aware but not paranoid about the horror stories.

Enjoy. G.

I should have added, it's one thing that irks me about PL: the thousands of girls who have no location listed. My first question to them is always where are they? Again 90% seem to be in Manila somewhere.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3021329]Be aware but not paranoid about the horror stories.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I should have added the one exception: there is NEVER a good reason to have a kid in your hotel room, regardless of if mom is there or not. If you want to, take mom and kid to lunch but they don't come back to your room. She takes the kid home then comes back alone.

No, not just for a while. No, you can't watch the kid while she ducks out to 7/11. No, they can't rest because there is no baby sitter at home. No means no. Never.

It may all be above board but the one time that it's not, it will go bad. Really bad. Think straight to jail, bad.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3021342]I should have added the one exception: there is NEVER a good reason to have a kid in your hotel room, regardless of if mom is there or not. If you want to, take mom and kid to lunch but they don't come back to your room. She takes the kid home then comes back alone.

No, not just for a while. No, you can't watch the kid while she ducks out to 7/11. No, they can't rest because there is no baby sitter at home. No means no. Never.

It may all be above board but the one time that it's not, it will go bad. Really bad. Think straight to jail, bad.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Absolutely correct!

Also if she looks too young and there is no front desk to check the ID for the age, or you live in a rental, make sure you take pic of the ID, in case is fake, so you can prove that you were the one that was tricked, and also she will not incriminate herself for document forgery by trying to extort you.

[QUOTE=Goferring]Take basic security measures for your person and valuables and don't piss people off. Sure, we've all had bad dates but stories of things going seriously sideways always have more to them than what's immediately obvious. I've never known a random innocent to be locked up or seriously shaken down just for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.[/QUOTE]Wise words! Best not to become paranoid but the PI does pass some Machiavellian laws, which are only enforced on the rich.

Remember American-Filipino Lewis Yakich, of the Lewis Grand hotel, who was building rooms via 3D printing in AC? He went missing in 2015 and was never found. His Filipino relatives were suspected but the PNP were typically-inactive, or paid-off with Lewis's stolen lucre. Never disclose one's wealth, or appear to be worth more dead than alive!

[QUOTE=Trevor2522;3021493]Remember American-Filipino Lewis Yakich, of the Lewis Grand hotel, who was building rooms via 3D printing in AC? He went missing in 2015 and was never found. His Filipino relatives were suspected but the PNP were typically-inactive, or paid-off with Lewis's stolen lucre. Never disclose one's wealth, or appear to be worth more dead than alive![/QUOTE]Add in 99.99% of the minor drug busts where John was found with 0. 002 grams. Of course, the arguments with his wife's family or business partners are just a coincidence.

Enjoy. G.

Gents. Please welcome this newcomer. Not to the hobby or this site. I'm a senior member and have paid my dues. But I've never been to Philippines and I'm going next month.

I see a lot of conversation on this hotel vs that one. Usually when I monger I like girls to stay overnight, and I prefer Airbnb instead of hotel so I have more space, a living room, etc and don't need to walk past the front desk with a different girl each night.

Is there any reason I should not get an Airbnb apartment in Manila when I go? Anyone done it and have good experiences?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3022009]I see a lot of conversation on this hotel vs that one. Usually when I monger I like girls to stay overnight, and I prefer Airbnb instead of hotel so I have more space, a living room, etc and don't need to walk past the front desk with a different girl each night.

Is there any reason I should not get an Airbnb apartment in Manila when I go? Anyone done it and have good experiences?[/QUOTE]Welcome to the PI, good sir.

Most airbnb in Manila are in a Residence (or condominium, which has a different meaning than in the US). Choices are typically a hotel or a condo. A condo / residence is a high-rise building, which might look like a hotel or apartments, but is not. It has, say, hundreds of units, each with different owners. The owners themselves usually rent out the unit on airbnb (sometimes the owner lives in another country, and has a local 'host' who is the unit caretaker and oversees the rentals). All of the units are nearly identical. In most of these condos, the front desk does not act like a hotel clerk. The units are not usually available by walk-in (there are some exceptions). The front desk staff is not there to help you as a renter with any problems, you probably have to contact the owner / host thru airbnb.

Hence, the 'walk of shame' you mention is a bit different. Most hotels and condos have security guards at the front door, who will insist your guest to register (or alternately at the front desk of a hotel). This involves the lass to sign into a registry book her name, your room number, and her phone number. She will have to hand over her valid ID to the guard, who will hold it until her departure. This is a time-honored practice in almost all places in the country, city and province.

Some hotels and residences will allow you to not come to the lobby or escort her in. You can stay in your room / unit and the front desk or guard will call your unit, and ask you if miss Monica can come up to your room. Same upon her departure, you probably don't need to escort her out, and the guard will call your room / unit to confirm with you that you are aware that Monica is leaving. Other hotels / condos might require you to come to the lobby and escort her up. Some hotels / condos don't have phones in the room / unit, so they can't call you, and this will necessitate you meeting the girl in the lobby (or bringing her in yourself), subjecting you to the walk of shame.

However, some fellas have reported that City Garden Grand hotel in Makati requires none of this. Its a nice hotel. Unescorted ladies can waltz right in, and come up to your room at will, departing when they want, without any interference.

Other regulars weigh in here.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3022009]Gents. Please welcome this newcomer. Not to the hobby or this site. I'm a senior member and have paid my dues. But I've never been to Philippines and I'm going next month.

I see a lot of conversation on this hotel vs that one. Usually when I monger I like girls to stay overnight, and I prefer Airbnb instead of hotel so I have more space, a living room, etc and don't need to walk past the front desk with a different girl each night.

Is there any reason I should not get an Airbnb apartment in Manila when I go? Anyone done it and have good experiences?[/QUOTE]If is your first time than distance and safety comes to mind, if you're going to be someplace without a frontdesk.

If trying to avoid scrutiny when entering the building, you need to know that most Airbnbs in Manila will have a front desk that checks you when entering, but will not check anyone coming out after they murdered and robbed you. Of course I'm presenting you with the worst case scenario, and I always recommend to get a hotel in Angeles City for the first timers due to simplicity and safety (you can bring in 100 girls each day). Many hotels have multiple room suites if that's what you need.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3022009]Is there any reason I should not get an Airbnb apartment in Manila when I go? Anyone done it and have good experiences?[/QUOTE]How long are you staying at each room? If weeks or months, then the long stay discounts that Air BnB offers may make it worth it. But check with forensic detail on fees, reviews and the stay conditions of both the owner and the building. Note the that these may be wildly different, eg one may not care but the other may not allow guests after 10 pm.

Personally, I find the rooms good but dealing with owners and Body Corps a major PITA. Most rooms are also available using the hotel booking apps, Agoda, Booking etc. I find them much easier to deal with and more customer vs owner centric.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2947349]An epic rant in how fucked up staying at Avida is. I thought a nice place, in a good location, impress the good girls. Played it safe booking double occupancy. WRONG!! No visitors allowed. None! Not only after 10 pm. Never! Only people included on the Guest Register are allowed. Forget any 11th hour hookups online. Ain't going to happen. Only one Guest Register. Can't add strays. Special rules for Airbnb.

I'm walking away from my booking and checking out tomorrow morning. Fuck Airbnb and fuck Avida.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3022036]All of the units are nearly identical.[/QUOTE]The floor plan, yes. But I've had wildly different fitouts within the same building. It's not uncommon to have investment properties very sparsely furnished and a part time resident's unit next door complete with washers, nice beds, high end electronics and available for $5 a night more.

As I said above, check the details.

Enjoy. G.

Thank you to those of you who responded.

I think you have convinced me. I will not be doing an Airbnb.

I suppose I should ask, can anybody recommend great girl friendly hotels?

Central, upscale 4 or 5 star, and I can walk in and out with girls no problem.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3022036] Some hotels and residences will allow you to not come to the lobby or escort her in. You can stay in your room / unit and the front desk or guard will call your unit, and ask you if miss Monica can come up to your room. Same upon her departure, you probably don't need to escort her out, and the guard will call your room / unit to confirm with you that you are aware that Monica is leaving. Other hotels / condos might require you to come to the lobby and escort her up. Some hotels / condos don't have phones in the room / unit, so they can't call you, and this will necessitate you meeting the girl in the lobby (or bringing her in yourself), subjecting you to the walk of shame.

However, some fellas have reported that City Garden Grand hotel in Makati requires none of this. Its a nice hotel. Unescorted ladies can waltz right in, and come up to your room at will, departing when they want, without any interference.

Other regulars weigh in here.[/QUOTE]You've pretty much covered it Westie. I generally stay at the other City Garden across the road and nearly every girl has told me there's no need to meet them downstairs. They know the 'drill' and do the formalities before knocking on your door.

As for the walk of shame. I couldn't give a hoot about it. If a foreign guy in his fifties is bringing a 20-something girl back to his room, everyone knows what we're up to anyway. Especially if it's a Pina Love girl who you might line up for days at a time. Why worry about sneaking her in or out every time when everyone knows what's going on anyway?

It's not a walk of shame. It's a walk of freedom that you'd never get in your home country.

Just my take on it _ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3022146]As for the walk of shame. I couldn't give a hoot about it. If a foreign guy in his fifties is bringing a 20-something girl back to his room, everyone knows what we're up to anyway. Especially if it's a Pina Love girl who you might line up for days at a time. Why worry about sneaking her in or out every time when everyone knows what's going on anyway?[/QUOTE]For the OP (AmPi), we are discussing several hotels a block from the Makati / Burgos St streetwalkers and gogo bars. Every hotel and condo in the area, from cockroach-infested crappy, to high-quality, are generally revolving doors for the trade. Girls are going in / out 24 hours a day. Its only a walk of shame for you, and only if you let it be.

The other high-concentration area of similar hotels and condos is in Malate, near Robinson's Place mall and LA Cafe (now Midnight Haven).

And something worth considering. Most places require the girl to sign in (register) at the door or front desk, and surrender her ID. She gets it back upon departure. If you are not with her at departure, the hotel / condo will need to call you to confirm that you are OK with the girl leaving. This is a security protocol designed to protect you (in case she has drugged you and stolen your sh*t). Any hotel that doesn't adhere to this helps you avoid the walk of shame. But it also means that if the girl does something bad while in your room, then waltzes out the front door unhindered, #ya-fukt.

One way to increase your chances of avoiding the WOS is to tip the door security on your first day, and tell them to register inbound girls and send them up to your room where you will be waiting for them.

I see a lot of chatter around here about Pina Love.

But when I ask GPT, it says that Badoo is actually larger and somewhat younger in the Philippines. Pina has a better ratio of girls to guys but it's smaller.

I don't know. Kinda seems like Badoo might be better no?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3022176]I see a lot of chatter around here about Pina Love.

But when I ask GPT, it says that Badoo is actually larger and somewhat younger in the Philippines. Pina has a better ratio of girls to guys but it's smaller.

I don't know. Kinda seems like Badoo might be better no?[/QUOTE]I use Date In Asia because I'm cheap when it comes to paid subscriptions, but you'll have to filter thru tones of fakes and LBs.

Ask the forum, not AI, here you get answers from long time users of all kind of apps and sites.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3022199]
Ask the forum, not AI, here you get answers from long time users of all kind of apps and sites.[/QUOTE]Or just log on and give all of them a try before committing / paying for the one (s) he likes.

Everyone has different likes and needs. Someone's recommendation may not suit everyone.

I prefer Pina Love because I'm comfortable using it and have gotten good results in the areas I prowl. *.

I have used Cupid but forgot my password and couldn't be faffed organising a new one. At the time, I met some great girls through it though.

I have used DIA but was banned so many times I just gave up. I also didn't like their app usability.

Facebook walker and pick up sites has been a disaster for me.

I think I met one girl off Instagram. I can't remember much so it can't of been too good.

As always, YMMV.

Enjoy. G.

*I'm also a cheap Charlie and $25 signup fee has saved me thousands in drink, barfine and golden pussy charges.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3022220]Or just log on and give all of them a try before committing / paying for the one (s) he likes.

Everyone has different likes and needs. Someone's recommendation may not suit everyone.

I prefer Pina Love because I'm comfortable using it and have gotten good results in the areas I prowl. *.

I have used Cupid but forgot my password and couldn't be faffed organising a new one. At the time, I met some great girls through it though.

I have used DIA but was banned so many times I just gave up. I also didn't like their app usability.

Facebook walker and pick up sites has been a disaster for me.

I think I met one girl off Instagram. I can't remember much so it can't of been too good.

As always, YMMV.

Enjoy. G.

*I'm also a cheap Charlie and $25 signup fee has saved me thousands in drink, barfine and golden pussy charges.[/QUOTE]I'm doing it from my PC, I think DIA doesn't have an app. I also use PL sometimes, but the free version, and just keep the conversation condensed and move to Whatsapp because of the time limitations on the free version. FB Walkers I only used it successfully in Davao with my GF's help. Also Thai friendly was the best when in TH.

But, at any time if I find it necessary I'll buy the subscription on any of them without hesitation.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3022036]Welcome to the PI, good sir.

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However, some fellas have reported that City Garden Grand hotel in Makati requires none of this. Its a nice hotel. Unescorted ladies can waltz right in, and come up to your room at will, departing when they want, without any interference.

Other regulars weigh in here.[/QUOTE]
I can weigh in here. I have stayed in Grand as well as airbnb (mostly in BGC and SMOA area).

Grand is amazing. No one asks you any question when you bring in a girl. If a girl comes alone, she is asked to go and register the ID. I have hung out with girls in the lobby as well as taken them to the roof top place to be with them until 4 AM and no one asks you anything. As someone mentioned, they all know what one is doing. Unescorted ladies have to register. IIRC, the lifts need your key to go to the floor. Only when registered is when the security fellows will swipe the key. If you have given money to security, and if the lady approaches that person, things can work out. I would say its better for the ladies to register at the front desk when not escorted.

Airbnb is an interesting venture. Have stayed the last couple of times in BGC area just above landes super market. All apartments are great. I didn't interact with know the owners. Airbnb is managed by another group. This apartment requires registration by the management group. In one of the apartment, I was asked to register atleast an hour before. I would call the manager to send a note. Does not work sending in the middle of the night. If you send around 3 or 4 AM the managers may not be around to send an email to the front desk. This works extremely well, if you manage to have girls over for a party -- 2 or 3 girls who come, drink and have some sessions at home. I like this. I also befriended some cleaners there, who would come and clean the apartment during the day after your night ventures. If you see someone real quick, there are some short terms avilable around BGC to meet your need. My go to is Grand or BGC if I am in that area. Will do the same next month when I go there (different one this time though).

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3022009]
Is there any reason I should not get an Airbnb apartment in Manila when I go? Anyone done it and have good experiences?[/QUOTE]The reason might be you want guests to be able to visit you. In some condos it is not possible e. G. Jazz mall in Makati is very strict. Also some new condo buildings. I usually ask the owner through Airbnb about the guest policy before reserving. Sometimes the answer was "only registered guests can enter the unit".

Thank you, kindly. Also to the others who weighed in.

I just booked my stay there. I just booked my stay there. Done.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;3022627]I can weigh in here. I have stayed in Grand as well as airbnb (mostly in BGC and SMOA area).

Grand is amazing. No one asks you any question when you bring in a girl. If a girl comes alone, she is asked to go and register the ID. I have hung out with girls in the lobby as well as taken them to the roof top place to be with them until 4 AM and no one asks you anything. As someone mentioned, they all know what one is doing. Unescorted ladies have to register. IIRC, the lifts need your key to go to the floor. Only when registered is when the security fellows will swipe the key. If you have given money to security, and if the lady approaches that person, things can work out. I would say its better for the ladies to register at the front desk when not escorted.

Airbnb is an interesting venture. Have stayed the last couple of times in BGC area just above landes super market. All apartments are great. I didn't interact with know the owners. Airbnb is managed by another group. This apartment requires registration by the management group. In one of the apartment, I was asked to register atleast an hour before. I would call the manager to send a note. Does not work sending in the middle of the night. If you send around 3 or 4 AM the managers may not be around to send an email to the front desk. This works extremely well, if you manage to have girls over for a party -- 2 or 3 girls who come, drink and have some sessions at home. I like this. I also befriended some cleaners there, who would come and clean the apartment during the day after your night ventures. If you see someone real quick, there are some short terms avilable around BGC to meet your need. My go to is Grand or BGC if I am in that area. Will do the same next month when I go there (different one this time though).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3022176]I see a lot of chatter around here about Pina Love.

But when I ask GPT, it says that Badoo is actually larger and somewhat younger in the Philippines. Pina has a better ratio of girls to guys but it's smaller.

I don't know. Kinda seems like Badoo might be better no?[/QUOTE]Never heard of Badoo PI.

As many will know, earlier on I couldn't be bothered wasting time on the ground in a hotel room searching for hook-ups online. However Pina has become really handy for me, especially in your typical non-mongering areas like Boracay etc. My last visit was rewarded by a little stunner I met on PL who spent the last three days with me in Manila at a great rate.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3022199]I use Date In Asia because I'm cheap when it comes to paid subscriptions, but you'll have to filter thru tones of fakes and LBs.
Ask the forum, not AI, here you get answers from long time users of all kind of apps and sites.[/QUOTE]Well said Ugly. AI doesn't always provide life experience. I do pay the month's subscription as a one-off every now and then. Everything to do with hook-ups usually moves off-app to WhatsApp, but if I'm in a hurry to find something I'll pay for it. I tried Cupid once, but have just stuck to PL. Having more than one 'dating' site on the go at once was too much.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3022220]Or just log on and give all of them a try before committing / paying for the one (s) he likes.

Everyone has different likes and needs. Someone's recommendation may not suit everyone.
I prefer Pina Love because I'm comfortable using it and have gotten good results in the areas I prowl. *.
Facebook walker and pick up sites has been a disaster for me.

Enjoy. G.

*I'm also a cheap Charlie and $25 signup fee has saved me thousands in drink, barfine and golden pussy charges.[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with putting your hand up and declaring your Cheap Charlie status G.

Sure, the whole bar scene can be really good when it comes to convenience and seeing the goods before purchase, but damn, you're paying a premium if you go that route.

There's so much fun to be had, at a much cheaper rate, if you plan your own itinerary and cut out all those middle-men.

I always deal with my girls directly, and although this may seem 'cheap' it means I can generally have three girls for the price of one bar girl.

Just my experience _ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3022684]

I always deal with my girls directly, and although this may seem 'cheap' it means I can generally have three girls for the price of one bar girl.

Just my experience _ Phil.[/QUOTE]Also, let's not discuss the difference in attitudes and performance of your average girl struggling to make course fees vs a hardened bar girl.

What's this 'one shot runner' guys are talking about? I'm making excuses to get her to leave after an all nighter extends into early afternoon. 😄.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=GenXBaer;3018359]Ooh she's got a great set of melons it appears?

Have any that flaunts those coconuts?[/QUOTE]Looks like I do.

Here is a lookalike, after she put the log in the fire already:

[QUOTE=Goferring;3022720]What's this 'one shot runner' guys are talking about? I'm making excuses to get her to leave after an all nighter extends into early afternoon. 😄.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Tell me about it G.

I couldn't get rid of one on my last trip to Subic.

(Great root though).

She even wanted to come around at sparrow's on the morning I was heading back to MNL so she could get her last reward.

Freelancers are genuine value for money once you know how to play the game.

_ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3022890]Tell me about it G.

I couldn't get rid of one on my last trip to Subic.

(Great root though).

She even wanted to come around at sparrow's on the morning I was heading back to MNL so she could get her last reward.

Freelancers are genuine value for money once you know how to play the game.

_ Phil.[/QUOTE]And some even have the audacity to ask for a P179 Chicken Joy to refuel.

G.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3022146]It's not a walk of shame. It's a walk of freedom that you'd never get in your home country.[/QUOTE]Hear, hear! God bless the Philippines!

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3022881]Here is a lookalike, after she put the log in the fire already:[/QUOTE]OA, it appears my girl might have the bigger rack, while yours has the bigger bullet nips. Everybody wins.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3022890]I couldn't get rid of one on my last trip to Subic. She even wanted to come around at sparrow's on the morning I was heading back to MNL so she could get her last reward.[/QUOTE]Her last reward? Or. . . Yours!

[QUOTE=Goferring;3022919]And some even have the audacity to ask for a P179 Chicken Joy to refuel.[/QUOTE]Rice fuels the pinay vag.

[QUOTE=MrPalmerAcc;3023000]Hear, hear! God bless the Philippines![/QUOTE]Hear ye. Hear ye: Long may the Philippines flag wave over a sea of horny pinay.

Hear ye. Hear ye: Thailand is open for tourism.

Anyone have any experience with Ari Velez? Can't find any reports on any website.

[URL]https://arivelez.carrd.co/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pita123;3023400]Anyone have any experience with Ari Velez? Can't find any reports on any website.

[URL]https://arivelez.carrd.co/[/URL][/QUOTE]Go for it Pita, if you can budget for it.

Fairly professional looking link.

"Must include meals for dates longer than 4 hours. ".

A little bit demanding it seems, but an Andoks or Jollibee feed might help you reduce costs.

_ Phil.

[QUOTE=Pita123;3023400]Anyone have any experience with Ari Velez? Can't find any reports on any website.

[URL]https://arivelez.carrd.co/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3023424]"Must include meals for dates longer than 4 hours. ".
A little bit demanding it seems, but an Andoks or Jollibee feed might help you reduce costs.[/QUOTE]Guessing that might not cover it. See pix. Covered, and p8,000 for the first hour / pop. P52,000 for 24 hours.

Seems we've given her some advertising.

Caveat: Never heard of her until today.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3023428]Guessing that might not cover it. See pix. Covered, and p8,000 for the first hour / pop. P52,000 for 24 hours.

Seems we've given her some advertising.

Caveat: Never heard of her until today.[/QUOTE]10 k an hour is pretty standard for an IG type starlet. 200 k for a week is, well, . 😊.

Hourly plus travel plus meal (sorry Phil, I doubt Jollie Bee is going to cut it) is just taking the piss. I see that deposits are non refundable and "not deducted from my rate". Does that mean it's on top as well?

Certainly not my target market but give it a go and report back.

My usual caveat is that price and looks are not a predictor of future performance.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. I've never trusted all be&W photos. Screams of editing to me.

G.

Hye Guys, Does anyone know if THE WESTIN MANILA is girl / guest friendly hotel? Anyone which Marriot Hotels are guest friendly?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Pita123;3023400]Anyone have any experience with Ari Velez? Can't find any reports on any website.

[URL]https://arivelez.carrd.co/[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL. This ***** is crazy😂.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3023479]10 k an hour is pretty standard for an IG type starlet.[/QUOTE]Not to forget that p10 K is the rough cost for a Burgos gogo girl. One could argue that the gogo girl is possibly staying the night and offering an extra shot in the morning. The opposing argument for Ari is that she is saving the customer from having to go to a gogo bar, buy multiple LD's, wasting his time. Also some gents, as seen here, are simply not 'bar' types. It might be worth p10 K for a shot if the girl comes to you.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3023479]Hourly plus travel plus meal (sorry Phil, I doubt Jollie Bee is going to cut it) is just taking the piss. [/QUOTE]Not if she's used to getting it. Even if she's no better looking than other pinay, her 'aura' created by her seductive website might keep her in just 1 client per week, netting her from p30 k to p60 k per month. What a life.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3023479]I see that deposits are non refundable and "not deducted from my rate". Does that mean it's on top as well?[/QUOTE]Standard for expensive girls in my country. You are paying her an upfront deposit thru Venmo (like GC) or such, then sending a car for her, coming to you and going home. That's your expense even if something goes wrong and there is no joy time. She might also insist on getting the cash up front before the ditty. Its part of the advance agreement, or she's not bothering to put on her lipstick, much less go outside to meet.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3023479]P.S. I've never trusted all be&W photos. Screams of editing to me.[/QUOTE]Yes. But it also creates an illusion that she's sexual, and will spill such upon you. Years ago there were such girls offering 'tantric sex'. Nobody really knows what that meant, but it seemed somehow thrilling.

[QUOTE=SethMacfarlane;3023550]LOL. This ***** is crazy😂.[/QUOTE]Maybe. Crazy from the perspective that you can get girls for much less in Asia, yes. But both in Phils, and my country, there is a regular niche for high-end girls who quietly command more than the hoi-polloi. For probably a variety of reasons, and here is one: Whales often have to have the best, and they think their large money gets them the best (often it does). They could care less that they could get a similar girl for 1/10 what they paid last night; the simply pay higher, assuming that the larger cash gets them better girls in the long run. As long as there are fellas willing to throw largesse, there will be girls advertising that their poonini (or sexuality) is better than the GND's.

[B]Separately: [/B]

These musings from her site were not written by her. This is educated gringa english. They are most likely either copy / pastes from high-end escorts in the US or elsewhere, or she ran similar thru an AI:

[I]Whether were savoring deep conversations, sharing slow-burning touches, or losing ourselves in uninhibited passion, every moment with me is designed to be immersive, an intoxicating blend of warmth, chemistry, and adventure.
Lets embark on an exquisite journey together, one filled with laughter, depth, sensuality, and blissful release. Allow me to be your muse, your secret indulgence, your unforgettable escape. And when our time draws to a close, youll find yourself replaying every glance, every whisper, every sensation until we meet again.[/I]

And:

[I]All experiences are fully consensual, safety-focused, and grounded in mutual respect and chemistry[/I]

There are plenty of whales in the US who see this kind of advertising and think of it as titilating, wondering what she's like IRL. He's fine dropping $20,000 USD for a full night, willing to risk her being a dud, just to see if she is intriguing. And such fellas in Phils who will do the same with p20,000.

The following are also typical of expensive escort's in the US:

[I]A 20% deposit is mandatory for this service.
Please be aware that I need all travel expenses to be taken care of as well.[/I]

And:

[I] Punctuality. I value both your time and mine. I make every effort to arrive a few minutes ahead of our scheduled meeting. On the rare occasion that I may be late, I will always inform you in advance. I have a 15 mins. grace period, beyond that, I may cancel (with deposit forfeited) or charge you an additional hour if you wish to pursue our appointment.

Deposits. To reserve our time together, I require a 1,500 PHP security deposit. This small, meaningful gesture covers my travel and preparation, and most importantly, reflects your sincere desire to see me. The deposit is non-refundable and not deducted from my rate. You may send it via GCash, PayPal, or discreetly through any 7-Eleven Kiosk if both isnt available to you.

Verification. I require a photo of the room number of your hotel/unit together with the room keycard 2-3 hours before your preferred time to verify your legitimacy as a client and prevent any potential hoaxes.[/I]

Is it just me or is anyone think it a bit odd size 10 US shoe.

[QUOTE=Transporter;3023580]Is it just me or is anyone think it a bit odd size 10 US shoe.[/QUOTE]No. Of course not. Unless its bakla.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3023568]Not to forget that p10 K is the rough cost for a Burgos gogo girl. One could argue that the gogo girl is possibly staying the night and offering an extra shot in the morning. The opposing argument for Ari is that she is saving the customer from having to go to a gogo bar, buy multiple LD's, wasting his time. Also some gents, as seen here, are simply not 'bar' types. It might be worth p10 K for a shot if the girl comes to you.

Not if she's used to getting it. Even if she's no better looking than other pinay, her 'aura' created by her seductive website might keep her in just 1 client per week, netting her from p30 k to p60 k per month. What a life.

Standard for expensive girls in my country. You are paying her an upfront deposit thru Venmo (like GC) or such, then sending a car for her, coming to you and going home. That's your expense even if something goes wrong and there is no joy time. She might also insist on getting the cash up front before the ditty. Its part of the advance agreement, or she's not bothering to put on her lipstick, much less go outside to meet.

Yes. But it also creates an illusion that she's sexual, and will spill such upon you. Years ago there were such girls offering 'tantric sex'. Nobody really knows what that meant, but it seemed somehow thrilling.

Maybe. Crazy from the perspective that you can get girls for much less in Asia, yes. But both in Phils, and my country, there is a regular niche for high-end girls who quietly command more than the hoi-polloi. [/QUOTE]Just so I'm clear, are we saying that deposits are in addition to that 8 k per hour?

High value, low turn over stock can be a benefit to both parties. The guy gets perceived exclusivity and desirability. The girls gets a great income off a 3 hour work week.

Let's not forget that the true whales aren't the foreigners. Expats always like to think we are the big dicks in town but local industrialists, politicians and the well to do can have playtime budgets that are totally over the top.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3023662]Let's not forget that the true whales aren't the foreigners. Expats always like to think we are the big dicks in town but local industrialists, politicians and the well to do can have playtime budgets that are totally over the top.Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]This is so true, and it took me a good amount of time to realize this. Not until I got tired of the norm (AC, complex, Burgos, etc) and started going to places that locals go to did I realize that I was nothing. Its not until you go to these clubs and see how much these local guys spend on a regular basis can you fathom the difference. A recent example, I went to a place you all know the kind of place where you get the fishbowl and you select the room type and you do your thing. Well I know some of the girls (we meet outside occasionally) and when I was done my session and having a beer, one of my acquaintances all smiles came up to chat with me, she said the guy just gave her 30 K tip. Keep in mind I was all in for 3 K for the same thing and as it turns out this guy comes once a week and does the same thing. If you are capable or do go to some of the GM type clubs you notice the same thing, all the big spenders are locals, I rarely see any foreigners in there at all (keep in mind the bottom end of the girl prices start at 10 K, and that is on top of the table and food and drink packages).

[QUOTE=Goferring;3023662]Just so I'm clear, are we saying that deposits are in addition to that 8 k per hour?[/QUOTE]A hard yes. Speaking about higher-end gals in the US. From her perspective, your advance money is for her time, preparation, and transportation (regardless of whether or not the ditty is performed or paid for, which is separate). If you violate any of her pre-discussed hard rules, she walks and you lose the deposits. High-end gals in LV and LA have told me as much. Interestingly in their mind, they didn't take anything from you. The deposits represents what would be payment inclusive of her time preparing herself and getting to / from you. The deposit is also, in her mind, a "serious-ness" fee, to eliminate cheap charlies who only want to dick her around town, not intending to finalize the deal (too poor to pay the bigger fee for her service). Some girls keep their own limo service on-call (paid for with deposit money).

In addition to your pre-paid deposit, when she arrives at your place, she will pick up and purse your separate playtime money even before she removes her coat. Complete pre-payment for service.

This idea of paying for a girl's "pre-bonk" time is for high-end escorts (and Seeking) and whales, and appears to have crept eastward. Also high-end girls require a cover.

There was a documentary about a decade ago regarding escorts in LV. One gal got a call from a regular client to meet him the next day at a certain time. She started dolling up several hours prior. Half an hour prior a limo picked her up. The interviewer and camera went along for the limo ride. At one point the interviewer asked her if she had already collected the deposit. She replied that she didn't need to, as he was a regular, and he would include the deposit money when she arrived for service. Then her phone rang, and the whale had to cancel the appointment. She tried hard to get him to keep the appointment, but he said he could not. When she hung up the call, she burst into tears, complaining that she had wasted several hours and paid for the limo.

For you and me, an agreed 1-hour 1-pop is 1 hour of work. For the girl, it might mean half a day's work or more.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3023662]Expats always like to think we are the big dicks in town but local industrialists, politicians and the well to do can have playtime budgets that are totally over the top.[/QUOTE]Concur. Most foreigners are either simple retirees, or 2-week warriors, and don't usually represent whales.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3023697]A hard yes. Speaking about higher-end gals in the US. From her perspective, your advance money is for her time, preparation, and transportation (regardless of whether or not the ditty is performed or paid for, which is separate). If you violate any of her pre-discussed hard rules, she walks and you lose the deposits. High-end gals in LV and LA have told me as much. Interestingly in their mind, they didn't take anything from you. The deposits represents what would be payment inclusive of her time preparing herself and getting to / from you. The deposit is also, in her mind, a "serious-ness" fee, to eliminate cheap charlies who only want to dick her around town, not intending to finalize the deal (too poor to pay the bigger fee for her service). Some girls keep their own limo service on-call (paid for with deposit money).

In addition to your pre-paid deposit, when she arrives at your place, she will pick up and purse your separate playtime money even before she removes her coat. Complete pre-payment for service.

This idea of paying for a girl's "pre-bonk" time is for high-end escorts (and Seeking) and whales, and appears to have crept eastward. Also high-end girls require a cover.

There was a documentary about a decade ago regarding escorts in LV. One gal got a call from a regular client to meet him the next day at a certain time. She started dolling up several hours prior. Half an hour prior a limo picked her up. The interviewer and camera went along for the limo ride. At one point the interviewer asked her if she had already collected the deposit. She replied that she didn't need to, as he was a regular, and he would include the deposit money when she arrived for service. Then her phone rang, and the whale had to cancel the appointment. She tried hard to get him to keep the appointment, but he said he could not. When she hung up the call, she burst into tears, complaining that she had wasted several hours and paid for the limo.

For you and me, an agreed 1-hour 1-pop is 1 hour of work. For the girl, it might mean half a day's work or more.

Concur. Most foreigners are either simple retirees, or 2-week warriors, and don't usually represent whales.[/QUOTE]Long time ago in Las Vegas my neighbor was into that line of work, she and her best GF. They were getting $10 K / day each, and flying to NY few times a month for extended weekends, and many times they were part of a larger group of escorts hired for the weekend.

They were a constant presence at my house because she didn't have a swimming pool, and I was enjoying having topless girls, or sometimes naked, hanging around mine. My ex wife, that looked hotter than them was doing the neighbor together with me sometimes in the jacuzzi, we never got her GF.

The ex was an aesthetician in one of the upscale casino spas, and she was taking care of their faces (for lots of money) then found out we were living next door, and that's how we got involved with her, afterwards she moved the weekly face grease smearing to our house (more convenient for everybody).

Despite the fact that we were extremely intimate, she never elaborated about the stuff going on in NY, and with whom, I always imagined an "Eyes Wide Shut" type of scenario.

I forgot about those crazy times 30 years ago, until you were talking about this high end escort here. One vivid scene comes to mind: the neighbor laying on her back with the head resting in my wife's lap, her working on her face massaging it, and me licking her pussy, that's what you call good customer service. Of course the grease smearing it all ended with a real facial that my ex carefully spread it evenly over her face.

One John that was visiting her in LV, bought her a house in Summerlin which was the most expensive / exclusive part of town at that time, and she moved away, then later moved to Europe, I guess her saving account was fat. When she moved my ex got tons of Gucci, Yves, etc stuff from her. I saw the neighbor now on FB, and 30 years later she still looks fabulous. It appears she married a male model, made a kid, than divorced.

She knew what she was doing, she was a lawyer but never practiced, at least when I knew her.

This is a pic of her now:

[QUOTE=Skyline25;3023530]Hye Guys, Does anyone know if THE WESTIN MANILA is girl / guest friendly hotel? Anyone which Marriot Hotels are guest friendly?

Thanks![/QUOTE]I haven't stayed there myself, but in a chat with Manila Courtesans they confirmed "Yes. We send girls there frequently". I have always stayed at Marriott Manila (airport) and they are definitely girl friendly. Never showed ID. Just went to the room. Same with Sheraton Manila Bay. Have stayed there once.

I was on short 2 day trip to Manila.

So looked over to the MC website as it was suggested in many posts over here.

Booked a girl from there for 4500 PHP for 2 hours.

And booked a hotel Red Planet for meeting.

She came wearing a nice dress.

We both had shower together and some fun over there.

The service was really professional and she did gave a nice BJ.

The kitty was also fine.

However, she was atleast 6 years old than mentioned on the website.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a luxury barber shop in the Manila metro area? Something where men are pampered with a good haircut shave, 4 hands massage etc like the ones in Thailand and Vietnam?

[QUOTE=IndianGenie;3024362]Does anyone have a recommendation for a luxury barber shop in the Manila metro area? Something where men are pampered with a good haircut shave, 4 hands massage etc like the ones in Thailand and Vietnam?[/QUOTE]Is there such a thing in Philippines?

[QUOTE=IndianGenie;3024362]Does anyone have a recommendation for a luxury barber shop in the Manila metro area? Something where men are pampered with a good haircut shave, 4 hands massage etc like the ones in Thailand and Vietnam?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3024642]Is there such a thing in Philippines?[/QUOTE]Not that I know of DG.

Maybe a better question directed at Tripadvisor Genie.

I know things get 'off topic' here occasionally, but it is a mongering site.

_ Phil.

[QUOTE=IndianGenie;3024362]Does anyone have a recommendation for a luxury barber shop in the Manila metro area? Something where men are pampered with a good haircut shave, 4 hands massage etc like the ones in Thailand and Vietnam?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzEYlAyNe5k[/URL] $120 hair cut in Manila.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2OkgIXOruw[/URL] $2 haircut in Manila.

Same "influencer" guy but I think Manila, unlike Bkk or HMC, is not geared for the sort of tourist experience you are talking about.

$120 is about 7000 PHP, which could go a lot further than a hair cut and trimmings.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3016242]Sorry nobody got back with you on this. The phone's been ringin' off the hook. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. There used to be a short time hotel right next door to LA Cafe (now known as Midnight Haven). Not sure if its still in operation. In the pic, its up the stairs next to the girl in the black pants. Can't remember the name of the place and I never used it. Others mentioned it. Brickstone? Don't know the cost or quality.[/QUOTE]It's still there, used it about 2 weeks ago with a FL from the LA Cafe. It's still 600, definitely not somewhere you would stay out of choice but it served its purpose for an hour.

Just be careful not to stand on / trip over the dog that sleeps on the stairs.

Has anyone tried the following outcalls?

- Nuru Goddesses Spa.

- Shogun Spa.

- Hoshiko Spa Manila & Pampanga.

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[QUOTE=ThaiStyle;3024722]It's still there, used it about 2 weeks ago with a FL from the LA Cafe. It's still 600, definitely not somewhere you would stay out of choice but it served its purpose for an hour.

Just be careful not to stand on / trip over the dog that sleeps on the stairs.[/QUOTE]Last time I was there I counted 3 or 4 of the yappy little dogs on the 1st floor just laying around while the maid cleaned a room.

On the way out I had to step over several piles of dog shit.

Despite all this, it definitely serves its purpose, and it's still 600 php too.

[QUOTE=Skyline25;3024729]Has anyone tried the following outcalls?

- Nuru Goddesses Spa.

- Shogun Spa.

- Hoshiko Spa Manila & Pampanga.

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thanks![/QUOTE]Lots of questions but no action reports. Is this for academics?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3024642]Is there such a thing in Philippines?[/QUOTE]About 30 years ago in Vegas there was a barber shop called "A Little of the Top" on the west side, the "barbers" where all topless good looking girls, with the proper licenses and all that, prices were around $50, and of course everybody dropped a $100 bill, there was always a waiting line. After some righteous people complained to the cosmetology board they had the operating license revoked. Back then seemed like my hair was growing very fast.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3024851]About 30 years ago in Vegas there was a barber shop called "A Little of the Top" on the west side, the "barbers" where all topless good looking girls, with the proper licenses and all that, prices were around $50, and of course everybody dropped a $100 bill, there was always a waiting line. After some righteous people complained to the cosmetology board they had the operating license revoked. Back then seemed like my hair was growing very fast.[/QUOTE]Also decades ago, a haircut / mani / pedi in Phnom Penh could be six girls at the same time. One cutting hair, one on each hand, one on each foot and the sixth on her knees underneath the drop sheet.

Aah, the good old days.

G.

[QUOTE=Skyline25;3024729]Has anyone tried the following outcalls?
- Nuru Goddesses Spa.
- Shogun Spa.
- Hoshiko Spa Manila & Pampanga.
Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thanks![/QUOTE]Yes. Have tried 2 out of 3.

Experience depends on your ethnicity and charm.

You should try and leave a field report.

About a few weeks before my last trip I was surfing thru FB and noticed a sexy looking girl. I messaged her about a meet up when I got there. Sure, we can get together sir!

A week later I get a message from her for meds for her sick kid. Yeah yeah I know what you guys are going to say. She sends me a copy of the prescription and describes the ailment. The script looks legit and I have a friend check out the cost for me. The script is legit and it cost 2250 like she said. Add in trike cost and 2450.

I told her I could have friend gcash her 2500 and she would "credit me one boom boom". Of course she said a deal as she really needs the meds for her kid. About 2 weeks later I texted her about the credit boom boom, she replies she just needs trike money 100 each way. Can I pay the trike when she arrives? Sure I will wait at the front door. 20 minutes she is there. We go up to finish our deal. Deal finished and not a word about another peso after I give 100 for the trike ride back.

I was a little surprised. She honored the deal without anything else!

Not all are scams.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3024904]Also decades ago, a haircut / mani / pedi in Phnom Penh could be six girls at the same time. One cutting hair, one on each hand, one on each foot and the sixth on her knees underneath the drop sheet.

Aah, the good old days..[/QUOTE]Got almost similar hair cut couple of months back in my trip there as well as one in Saigon.

That's what in fact inspired this quest. I got hooked to being pampered.

[QUOTE=GenXBaer;3024914]Yes. Have tried 2 out of 3.

Experience depends on your ethnicity and charm.

You should try and leave a field report.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for the info.

Any recommendation on which 2 you tried?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3024918]A week later I get a message from her for meds for her sick kid. Yeah yeah I know what you guys are going to say.
I told her I could have friend gcash her 2500 and she would "credit me one boom boom".
I was a little surprised. She honored the deal without anything else!
Not all are scams.[/QUOTE]Well done DG.

You've found one in a million it seems with the sick kid scenario.

I assume this genuine one didn't send you through fake pics of the sick kid.

I agree, not all are scammers, but the percentages weigh heavily towards those that are.

Just my experience_ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3025011]Well done DG.

You've found one in a million it seems with the sick kid scenario.

I assume this genuine one didn't send you through fake pics of the sick kid.

I agree, not all are scammers, but the percentages weigh heavily towards those that are.

Just my experience_ Phil.[/QUOTE]I have found most are legit requests. They have a real need. Just this one is so rare that she honored the deal. I did see her again for 2.5 k and plus a supply of meds for her kid from my clinic person. All in 5 k.

She is going to go back to work in the bar now that her kid is better. I happen to notice another beauty that is her FB friend and asked her about the beauty. Turns out the beauty is back in Samar. Then I asked if she had some other sexy friends there? She replied there are and she will ask around for me when I return! An addition to my F and F Plan.

Just a quick report on the above spa. This is the one in Makati "anti polo road" it says open 24 hours but I called late at night and no one picked up the phone.

Anyway the important stuff, had a great massage lots of teasing and a really good knuckle shuffle finish. I will certainly go back next time I am in town. Lady was 25 years old and good looking, price was 1500 peso for just over an hour. I beleive there are 2 Abacca spas in Manila, would be interesting if anyone has comments on the other.

May the force be with you.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3025011]Well done DG.

You've found one in a million it seems with the sick kid scenario.

I assume this genuine one didn't send you through fake pics of the sick kid.

I agree, not all are scammers, but the percentages weigh heavily towards those that are.

Just my experience_ Phil.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't put it at 1 in a million. I don't really get many requests from out of the blue. The requests I get are from girls I have known. Generally it isn't for much money to buy meds. I wouldn't say under 1500 pesos. Antibiotics mostly. Usually a photo of the script is attached. Scripts show the name, date and prescribing doctor or clinic. No scams here. Just in some case desperate need.

Anybody know of a pharmacy in Makati that doesn't charge crazy prices for vitamins? The Mercury across from City Garden Hotel was something like $30 per pill for vitamin see. Crazy and I have seen some previous reports mentioning cheaper pharmacies but I didn't save the address. Any advice would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=MrPalmerAcc;3025479]Anybody know of a pharmacy in Makati that doesn't charge crazy prices for vitamins? The Mercury across from City Garden Hotel was something like $30 per pill for vitamin see. Crazy and I have seen some previous reports mentioning cheaper pharmacies but I didn't save the address. Any advice would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I know its been several months, and the link below is from a report from last year. But both Mercury Drugs on Makati Ave, one across from CGH, and the other next door to Berjaya, just a block or so apart, have been selling generic (Kohagra) vitamin "V", at different times for p120, p240, and p250 per pill for 100 MG. I realize its not Cialis, but even at p240 per pill (100 MG), that's $5 per pill. You can break them in half and get 2 uses from each pill, making them about $2.50 per half pill. Thru the bamboo grapevine, I've heard that one 50 MG dose (half-pill) can last for 6-8 hours, and give some fellas a full 2 pops, making the cost $1.25 per pop.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=2951857&viewfull=1#post2951857[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3025349]I wouldn't put it at 1 in a million. I don't really get many requests from out of the blue. The requests I get are from girls I have known. Generally it isn't for much money to buy meds. I wouldn't say under 1500 pesos. Antibiotics mostly. Usually a photo of the script is attached. Scripts show the name, date and prescribing doctor or clinic. No scams here. Just in some case desperate need.[/QUOTE]Well that seems fair enough DG.

More often than not, I get bombarded with requests for cash for a sick kid (that doesn't exist) once they try the post hook-up squeeze. And that's from known girls I've hooked up with too.

Some of them aren't too clever with their generic photo choices and howling emojis.

If they're in genuine desperate need, I'd probably help out too.

I just haven't met any genuine ones, in this instance, thus far _ Phil.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3024904]Also decades ago, a haircut / mani / pedi in Phnom Penh could be six girls at the same time. One cutting hair, one on each hand, one on each foot and the sixth on her knees underneath the drop sheet.

Aah, the good old days.

G.[/QUOTE]Well, that's the only way I'll get my daily foot massages, it feels better. I just didn't thought was worth mentioning.

[QUOTE=Pita123;3023400]Anyone have any experience with Ari Velez? Can't find any reports on any website.

[URL]https://arivelez.carrd.co/[/URL][/QUOTE]Sorry, late in the day with this one, but for what it is worth.

Rates look pricey for her body profile in the country she is based in. When I am looking online for escorts in my home country, I tend to want to see natural photos with a face, otherwise I don't take the punt. Not always easy to find such photos on professional independent sites, her photos are studio based. From my experience, studio photos now considered to be a warning sign. In the past, this type of photo quite often ends up giving a slightly distorted view of what I thought I saw online compared to what I see physically. From what I have read in this thread, feedback about ladies from the MC agency in the Philippines is somewhere about 50/50, in regards to true appearances.

If you go the online route, depending on your circumstances, I'd be tempted to jump into an idea what the regular folk in this thread tend to suggest, setup a PL account and build contacts. I'd have thought that way you'll get to see better, natural photos and perhaps be able to compare each photo and see exactly what you are getting. Of course some women may still post old photos in their profiles, but I'd have thought you'd be able to ask for a current photo in a whatsapp conversation, if you have any concerns.

Alternatively, gogo bars if you are near any. Everything is upfront, you see their face, body, personality and attitude. You could give yourself a night out on the tiles and then a memory or two.

Best of luck if you take a punt on that escort you linked to in your post.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3025553]Well, that's the only way I'll get my daily foot massages, it feels better. I just didn't thought was worth mentioning.[/QUOTE]Picture time. I can't be outdone by a guy who's both older AND uglier than me. Good pic OAU. Twiggy city girl is a bit narcissistic.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3025553]Well, that's the only way I'll get my daily foot massages, it feels better. I just didn't thought was worth mentioning.[/QUOTE]You've just got to love the Phils Ugly for its rewards.

_Phil.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3025783]Picture time. I can't be outdone by a guy who's both older AND uglier than me. Good pic OAU. Twiggy city girl is a bit narcissistic.[/QUOTE]And with a nice forest in which to find the buried treasure Westie.

_ Phil.

Her legs were so long that riding the bus was a difficult task, therefore I offered alternatives. She couldn't stay very long, but came back few hours later to continue where she left off. Only taxi money and dinner was provided.

Assisted salsal, and light BJ for the first part.

And here is the continuation of the first incomplete session, and a fine example of how to use your thumb in her ass to set the pace.

Will be in Makati for 4 nights next week. Have been on PL sorting through a few possible lovelies. Several have been asking 5 k ST one shot. There was some variation but not much. Maybe one was worth it. A beautiful fashion model wanted 10 k, then would settle for 7. I Passed. I hope FLs on the ground in bars are asking lower rates. Will have to hone my negotiating skills. And maybe the SW action can reveal a diamond.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3026303]Will be in Makati for 4 nights next week. Have been on PL sorting through a few possible lovelies. Several have been asking 5 k ST one shot. There was some variation but not much. Maybe one was worth it. A beautiful fashion model wanted 10 k, then would settle for 7. I Passed. I hope FLs on the ground in bars are asking lower rates. Will have to hone my negotiating skills. And maybe the SW action can reveal a diamond.[/QUOTE]Makati. Passport bro central. Those goofballs are willing to pay 10,15 and even 20 k up front and the girls know it. You'll have to do some deep digging if you're to find anything below 5 k ST while maintaining the quality of girl.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3026303]Will be in Makati for 4 nights next week. Have been on PL sorting through a few possible lovelies. Several have been asking 5 k ST one shot. There was some variation but not much. Maybe one was worth it. A beautiful fashion model wanted 10 k, then would settle for 7. I Passed. I hope FLs on the ground in bars are asking lower rates. Will have to hone my negotiating skills. And maybe the SW action can reveal a diamond.[/QUOTE]You will be staying in the most expensive mongering place in Phils. Visitors routinely pay p10 k at gogo bars in the area. Obviously while online girls might not cost that much, some might run even more. Mention to your DIA, PL, Tinder, FB, or other online lovelies that you are staying anywhere in the area (ie, Gramercy, Knightsbridge, or any condo / hotel even as close as the Ayala) and they are going to salivate. Its generally a given that its going to cost you p3-10 k. I don't see a lot of fellas here saying they are getting p2000 online hotties.

Some small good news, most Burgos SW can usually be had for p1500-2000 for 1 pop ST, but be prepared for: 1) Fugly; 2) Older, 3) Chublettes, and 4) Many Ladyboy infecting the area. There are less than a handful of decent-looking SW (near the 7-11) on some nights, but they are steadfast in the p2500-4 k range (there is a mama who controls them). Write us a report.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3026349]You will be staying in the most expensive mongering place in Phils. Visitors routinely pay p10 k at gogo bars in the area. Obviously while online girls might not cost that much, some might run even more. Mention to your DIA, PL, Tinder, FB, or other online lovelies that you are staying anywhere in the area (ie, Gramercy, Knightsbridge, or any condo / hotel even as close as the Ayala) and they are going to salivate. Its generally a given that its going to cost you p3-10 k. I don't see a lot of fellas here saying they are getting p2000 online hotties.

Some small good news, most Burgos SW can usually be had for p1500-2000 for 1 pop ST, but be prepared for: 1) Fugly; 2) Older, 3) Chublettes, and 4) Many Ladyboy infecting the area. There are less than a handful of decent-looking SW (near the 7-11) on some nights, but they are steadfast in the p2500-4 k range (there is a mama who controls them). Write us a report.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RainMania;3026315]Makati. Passport bro central. Those goofballs are willing to pay 10,15 and even 20 k up front and the girls know it. You'll have to do some deep digging if you're to find anything below 5 k ST while maintaining the quality of girl.[/QUOTE]On top of what has been listed, Miss Mary has also asked for prices "next week". This can be hugely inflationary to quoted prices as girls know that it may be just a fishing exercise and that the guy is at best a newbie unaware of correct prices or at worst just a time waster. Both sides in Makati quote for now or tonight, not next week.

My bids of 4/5000 for overnight are typically accepted for Greenbelt / Makati but, yes, the stunners typically say no way, only offer ST or insist on 7 to10,000.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3026349]You will be staying in the most expensive mongering place in Phils. Visitors routinely pay p10 k at gogo bars in the area. Obviously while online girls might not cost that much, some might run even more. Mention to your DIA, PL, Tinder, FB, or other online lovelies that you are staying anywhere in the area (ie, Gramercy, Knightsbridge, or any condo / hotel even as close as the Ayala) and they are going to salivate. Its generally a given that its going to cost you p3-10 k. I don't see a lot of fellas here saying they are getting p2000 online hotties.

Some small good news, most Burgos SW can usually be had for p1500-2000 for 1 pop ST, but be prepared for: 1) Fugly; 2) Older, 3) Chublettes, and 4) Many Ladyboy infecting the area. There are less than a handful of decent-looking SW (near the 7-11) on some nights, but they are steadfast in the p2500-4 k range (there is a mama who controls them). Write us a report.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;3026358]On top of what has been listed, Miss Mary has also asked for prices "next week". This can be hugely inflationary to quoted prices as girls know that it may be just a fishing exercise and that the guy is at best a newbie unaware of correct prices or at worst just a time waster. Both sides in Makati quote for now or tonight, not next week.

My bids of 4/5000 for overnight are typically accepted for Greenbelt / Makati but, yes, the stunners typically say no way, only offer ST or insist on 7 to10,000.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I used input and research from here as where to base myself. I'm still within the free cancelation period with my hotel site. At first I booked the other main area, I believe, near the port. Then after looking at pros and cons (intended!) I went with makati. Maybe I'll re-book near the commercial zone near where the Robinson place is. Costs aren't always my main consideration, but often are. First timer, yes, to PH. . Thoughts?

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3026385]I used input and research from here as where to base myself. I'm still within the free cancelation period with my hotel site. At first I booked the other main area, I believe, near the port. Then after looking at pros and cons (intended!) I went with makati. Maybe I'll re-book near the commercial zone near where the Robinson place is. Costs aren't always my main consideration, but often are. First timer, yes, to PH. . Thoughts?[/QUOTE]It would be helpful to know what you want to pay. Now discussing the Malate / Robinson's / LAC area. Specifically for:

1) Accommodation. Nightly for up to 7 days (as in your 4 nights) pays more per night. 7-27 nights pays a bit less per night. And 28+ nights typically pays even less per night (monthly, which can be as much as 40% less per night than nightly). Non-aircon Pensionnes can be had for as little as $25, and to find them you might have to walk around the area or chat with your hotel guard or front desk (not always listed online).

In the Robinson's area are quite a number of hotels within a 2-7 minute walk: Riviera Mansion, City-State, Rothman, Go hotel, Eurotel, Las Palmas, Executive Plaza, Palm Hotel, Tropicana Suites, and Hotel Kimberly, among others. Condos nearby include Birch Tower, Adriatico Grand, and Malate Bayview Mansion among others available on airbnb.

2) Chicas. Its a plethora of FL in the area. LA Cafe (now called Midnight Haven, Salas St corner Adriatico) is a 3 minute walk from Robinson's. 100+ FL hanging about weeknights, and closer to 200 on weekends. Live band upstairs (p100 entrance). Has pool tables and food / drink. Girls run from hot to not, and often ask for a high initial amount. Be prepared for sticker shock, an prices here and everywhere went up after covid. OTOH maybe you find a gem for a buck when a girl needs a quick score. Tell 'them Westy sent you.

G-Point bar is has about a dozen older gals, located on P Faura St next to a 7-11 (7-11 is Faura corner Adriatico). No idea prices.

Robinson's Place mall. Reports of girls available on the steps outside the mall at the corner of Adriatico / Pedro Gil, evenings. Usually about half a dozen girls, mid-30's, meh. No idea prices.

Of interest in the area is Cowboy Grill bar, a live band place (not a girl pickup place). Mabini corner Arquiza St. Food, drink, different band on the stage (sometimes 2) nightly. Good for taking a date.

Keep in mind that on any of your nights, you can always taxi from one area to the other (Malate to Makati, or vice versa). If you are not excited by LA Cafe, just taxi to Burgos. Or skip that and get online.

I ask just because you seem to have the lay of the land, and there is just so much contradictory info on this thread.

If price really weren't a consideration, and I was staying in Makati, are there places known to have the youngest, freshest, best girls?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3026396]It would be helpful to know what you want to pay. Now discussing the Malate / Robinson's / LAC area. Specifically for:

1) Accommodation. Nightly for up to 7 days (as in your 4 nights) pays more per night. 7-27 nights pays a bit less per night. And 28+ nights typically pays even less per night (monthly, which can be as much as 40% less per night than nightly). Non-aircon Pensionnes can be had for as little as $25, and to find them you might have to walk around the area or chat with your hotel guard or front desk (not always listed online).

In the Robinson's area are quite a number of hotels within a 2-7 minute walk: Riviera Mansion, City-State, Rothman, Go hotel, Eurotel, Las Palmas, Executive Plaza, Palm Hotel, Tropicana Suites, and Hotel Kimberly, among others. Condos nearby include Birch Tower, Adriatico Grand, and Malate Bayview Mansion among others available on airbnb..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3026407]I ask just because you seem to have the lay of the land, and there is just so much contradictory info on this thread.

If price really weren't a consideration, and I was staying in Makati, are there places known to have the youngest, freshest, best girls?[/QUOTE]Yes, but its AC, not Makati. AC gogo girls would probably represent a higher percentage of provincial girls, who are often recruited from the bar's mamasan's home province. Makati girls are typically big city girls, and more hardened / sophisticated.

Your post indicates you are in the opposite situation as the MaryHinge (you have money). If money is not an object, you can pick most any hottie in a Burgos gogo girl, offer her a fat tip to stay as long as you want in the morning for unlimited pops. Alternately you should do well with the online girls assuming you find hotties in your online search. Hotties will line up at your door if you offer them p20 k. They are also a great source for your new Friends-and-Family program (tonight's hottie would LOVE an extra p2000 to find / bring you tomorrow evening's hottie). It would be nearly impossible to not have a bitchin' good time in Manila with a fat wallet in your pocket.

Caveat: There are no guarantees. Anything could go bad, but not for long. The problem for MMH is that he only has 4 nights, and a tight budget.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3026396]It would be helpful to know what you want to pay. Now discussing the Malate / Robinson's / LAC area. [/QUOTE]Agreed. Remember that it's possible to be penny wise but pound foolish. Makati has many accommodation options for $50 and thousands of girls available for 3/5 k for ST / LT. It also has the fringe benefits of having lots of other things to do and transport options or places to easily meet girls. I can see Miss Mary allegedly saving a few bucks and being stuck in some shit hole accommodation, miles from anywhere, with nothing to do and waiting hours for girls to find him.

Remember that the absolute cheapest option for a newbie foreigner is actually on P Burgos: a streetwalker and ST hotel combo meal for less than 2500.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3026407]
If price really weren't a consideration, and I was staying in Makati, are there places known to have the youngest, freshest, best girls?[/QUOTE]The money is no object, freshest girls in Makati are diametrically opposed. Either pony up the cash in a Gogo, befriend a mamasan and ask her or hit the malls and food halls. Be very aware that throwing around the cash can have you seen as an easy mark and be counterproductive and that a high price never has been a predictor of future performance.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3026407]I ask just because you seem to have the lay of the land, and there is just so much contradictory info on this thread.

If price really weren't a consideration, and I was staying in Makati, are there places known to have the youngest, freshest, best girls?[/QUOTE]Youngest, freshest, (not always) the best. YES most refer to them as casas.

[QUOTE=Transporter;3026443]Youngest, freshest, (not always) the best. YES most refer to them as casas.[/QUOTE]Did Casas survive the pandemic? We never see reports about them any more.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3026445]Did Casas survive the pandemic? We never see reports about them any more.

G.[/QUOTE]Yes, as long as there are colleges / unis there will be casas. I think there might be some confusions as to what a casa is. I've notice that people that talk about casas here are talking about some of the old bars like red rooster, red garter, the bistro and all those places, but those are just bars. Those places went underground and eventually disappeared around covid. Where the girls lived is the casa, and that is how the bars were eventually referred to as casas as the girls lived and worked there. The casas that still remain is mostly (at least the current ones I know of) online. The physical place (dorm) is still there, but you don't go to them now, they go to you. I do believe that there are still traditional casas available, however I personally have not been to one in a while now as it is just to convenient to just order delivery.

[QUOTE=Transporter;3026448]Yes, as long as there are colleges / unis there will be casas. I think there might be some confusions as to what a casa is. I've notice that people that talk about casas here are talking about some of the old bars like red rooster, red garter, the bistro and all those places, but those are just bars. Those places went underground and eventually disappeared around covid. Where the girls lived is the casa, and that is how the bars were eventually referred to as casas as the girls lived and worked there. The casas that still remain is mostly (at least the current ones I know of) online. The physical place (dorm) is still there, but you don't go to them now, they go to you. I do believe that there are still traditional casas available, however I personally have not been to one in a while now as it is just to convenient to just order delivery.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification. My bad. As you pointed out, it's all in the definition.

The vast majority of 'my' students live in dorms. In fact, those still at home can be a drama to organise a time to meet and there are often conditions to ensure that mom doesn't find out.

It's normally worth the extra effort though. 😉.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3026445]Did Casas survive the pandemic? We never see reports about them any more.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Transporter;3026448]Yes, as long as there are colleges / unis there will be casas. [/QUOTE]College girls. One day at lunch I picked one up at Robinson's Malate (more accurately: She latched on to me). The agreement was for a 2-pop, 4 hour afternoon at Rothman. Others were picked up at casas from taxi drivers. After the first pop she was in the shower cleaning up, and I remember thinking to myself: Wonder if I just jizzed a future lawyer or judge. What if one day 15 years forward I wandered into a lawyer's office looking for an Notary stamp or such, and there she was behind the desk looking up at me? What if years later I walk into Executive Plaza Hotel to check in, and today's HRM student is the manager behind the counter? Reason #196 to love Phils.

It t'weren't to happen. But a man can dream.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3026478]Thanks for the clarification. My bad. As you pointed out, it's all in the definition. The vast majority of 'my' students live in dorms. In fact, those still at home can be a drama to organise a time to meet and there are often conditions to ensure that mom doesn't find out.
It's normally worth the extra effort though. 😉.
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]There is one other casa variation, but not all the girls live there, it is just where they gather. Everyone seems to call it a casa, but I refer to it as a "pro-casa". You can tell the difference by the payouts, as touts or cab drivers will bring you there and get a little handout, the door guys will ask for tips, the attendants will ask for tips, the papas will ask for tips, it gets kind of ridiculous after awhile. Its just a room filled with girls, you pick one and off you go, they are all the same price.

I ended up booking the Rothman Hotel in Malate. King room with a desk to work between bouts (hopefully). Priced about same as St Giles I had booked in Makati.

Despite not being a bar guy, the LA Cafe sounds like it could be fun.

In fact I booked 5 nights but as I have late flight, I figured it was worthwhile using the room till 6 pm before heading to the airport.

In LOS payment is usually made after the deed. Vietnam is the opposite. What's the deal in Philippines?

Was filtering a few popsies this afternoon on Pina Love. Snag a college girl. 22. Super cute. Said 5 k overnight. When I probed a bit about her experience, she had only had 'normal sex' with her boyfriends. Never give a BJ. No DATY. So, glad I filtered that one early. Got several other lined up to visit. I'll make time for the streets though.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3026567]

In LOS payment is usually made after the deed. Vietnam is the opposite. What's the deal in Philippines?

Was filtering a few popsies this afternoon on Pina Love. Snag a college girl. 22. Super cute. Said 5 k overnight. When I probed a bit about her experience, she had only had 'normal sex' with her boyfriends. Never give a BJ. No DATY. So, glad I filtered that one early. Got several other lined up to visit. I'll make time for the streets though.[/QUOTE]Online bordellos like Massage Republic, Manila Courtesans, etc are paid upon arrival.

Barfines are paid before leaving the premises with girls' tips paid after the deed. Typically this is about a 50/50 split but Angeles is 100% upfront.

Freelancers, streetwalkers, online girls are paid after the deed. Some might ask for a prepaid Grab or their taxi to be paid upon arrival. That's fair but don't Gcash her directly. You will never see her or your money again.

Some guys prefer an extensive pre employment interview. I'm the other extreme, confirming price and duration and that's all. I find presenting her with a laundry list of demands, and putting her on the spot, a mood and performance killer. I've had numerous girls profess to being 'shy' but have left me bleeding from the ears back in the room. Of course, there have been some duds but they are very much the minority.

Be wary of setting up too many bookings for next week or next month. Flake and no show rates are huge. Most girls have an attention span from now to tonight. I find it best to go online when I'm sitting in my hotel rather than planning from home.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3026578]Online bordellos like Massage Republic, Manila Courtesans, etc are paid upon arrival.
Be wary of setting up too many bookings for next week or next month. Flake and no show rates are huge. Most girls have an attention span from now to tonight. I find it best to go online when I'm sitting in my hotel rather than planning from home.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the bar fine etc info.

And this last point I've learned to re-balance my strategy, let's say, and not rely heavily on all the prepping done from a distance. I did this on my first couple (of LOS visits and then learned to GWTF more. Good point, though.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3026578] Some guys prefer an extensive pre employment interview. I'm the other extreme, confirming price and duration and that's all.

Be wary of setting up too many bookings for next week or next month. Most girls have an attention span from now to tonight. I find it best to go online when I'm sitting in my hotel rather than planning from home.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Spot on G.

I just negotiate an asking rate subtlety upfront. With freelancers or PL girls, it's easy to say " Thanks, but no thanks" to those who demand 4 k plus, especially if it's not an all-nighter. You can always move on to the next one, especially in the big cities, and someone will take the bait. Do they want 3 k for a night, or no cash?

Yes, I'm proudly a Cheap Charlie. No shame in that, as I'm happy that all my payments go directly to the girls and are not absorbed by Mamas, Korean bar owners, bartenders, swarms of other girls wanting fruit juice lady drinks etc.

And yes, the Pinas only live in the moment.

Planning in advance can lead to disappointment, unless it's a contact you've acquired from a previous trip, and a meet and greet session is planned in advance.

Just my experience _ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3026756]Spot on G.

I just negotiate an asking rate subtlety upfront. With freelancers or PL girls, it's easy to say " Thanks, but no thanks" to those who demand 4 k plus, especially if it's not an all-nighter. You can always move on to the next one, especially in the big cities, and someone will take the bait. Do they want 3 k for a night, or no cash?

Yes, I'm proudly a Cheap Charlie. No shame in that, as I'm happy that all my payments go directly to the girls and are not absorbed by Mamas, Korean bar owners, bartenders, swarms of other girls wanting fruit juice lady drinks etc.[/QUOTE]Yep. It's amazing the number of times a 10 k dreamer will call up an hour later, saying that she's close and she can suddenly fit me in at my discounted rate.

A good point about dealing direct and the girl getting 100% of the proceeds. I've heard numerous stories of bar girls owing money at the end of the month due to this fee and that fine.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3026762]I've heard numerous stories of bar girls owing money at the end of the month due to this fee and that fine.[/QUOTE]That's the best time. The bar reduces her sweldo amount by the amount of the fees or fines. Suddenly, she is short a few thousand pesos: [B]TODAY[/B]. She will make it seem, to you, that its a: [B]NATIONAL CALAMITY[/B]. She will explain the need to pay today this or that: [B]THING[/B] (electric bill, water bill, rent, etc) that is due: [B]TODAY[/B]. It seems what is needed is a: [B]SAVIOR[/B]. Thank goodness [B]YOU[/B] will be there to help her in her time of need. And at a reduced rate, given she needs it: [B]TODAY[/B].

[I]"And then a hero comes along. With the strength to carry on.

And you cast your fears aside. And you know you can survive.

So when you feel like hope is gone. Look inside you and be strong.

And you'll finally see the truth. That a hero lies in you".[/I]

-- When a Hero Comes Along -- Mariah Carey.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3026880]That's the best time. The bar reduces her sweldo amount by the amount of the fees or fines. Suddenly, she is short a few thousand pesos: [B]TODAY[/B]. She will make it seem, to you, that its a: [B]NATIONAL CALAMITY[/B]. She will explain the need to pay today this or that: [B]THING[/B] (electric bill, water bill, rent, etc) that is due: [B]TODAY[/B]. It seems what is needed is a: [B]SAVIOR[/B]. Thank goodness [B]YOU[/B] will be there to help her in her time of need. And at a reduced rate, given she needs it: [B]TODAY[/B].

[/QUOTE]You're correct and it is indeed a calamity as she only worries about it the day before disconnection. Hence, she does actually need the money today. Not t next week. Not tomorrow. Today. This is when the calls go out to regular customers that might not be busy for the next hour or two. Benefit #467 of being a resident regular.

For clarity, I was talking about bargirls who, on top of the regular bills, family and sick buffalo expenses also have their friendly mamasans and bar managers who levy various charges and fines as and when they see fit, sometimes exceeding the girls' income for the month. Hence, she is further in debt even after drinks and barfines. I've also seen girls at the end of the month about to miss making minimum barfines and drink sales thereby loosing bonuses and some even deduct their base salary as well so no income at all. Bit expenses are still payable, of course. This is when girls will happily go for no tip, just to get the barfines above the threshold.

Important dates in the Philippines: Holy Week (no pussy); Exam week (lots of pussy); low season payday (free pussy). 😉.

Enjoy. G.

From the big city to the province, the things you can get yourself into here in Phils, are, well, wonderful. Whether its roses or chocolates your 80-lb gal wants, be prepared to give, and enjoy what you get in return. Mozel tov!

Greeting all!!

I'll probably be making my first trip to the Philippines this late November. The last time I was there I was barely 10 and Clark and Subic were still operational.

I'll only have a few days so I'll mostly be confined to the Manila area. As this is a whole arena for me (I've mostly been in Bangkok and Dubai) I have ZERO experience in all the essential areas. I'm trying to RTFF and the ROD but I seem to not be able to grasp on the basics.

I'm not asking to be spoon fed by asking members to "tell me everything you know, etc. , but if there are specific reports that you know of that you could help me get a basic understanding of the state of play in Manila (Hotels, areas, etc.) I would be most appreciative. Thanks.

[QUOTE=BigDaddy1906;3026942]Greeting all!!

I'll probably be making my first trip to the Philippines this late November. The last time I was there I was barely 10 and Clark and Subic were still operational.

I'm not asking to be spoon fed by asking members to "tell me everything you know, etc. , but if there are specific reports that you know of that you could help me get a basic understanding of the state of play in Manila (Hotels, areas, etc.) I would be most appreciative. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hi BD and welcome back. You'll find lots of helpful people here with lots of experience.

The reports are vast, as is the info available, so it's a little difficult to point you in a specific direction or to certain reports.

However if it's Manila specific, basically you want to be in the Makati or Malate areas. Makati, or more specifically, the P Burgos area where you'll find the girly bar area. Expect to pay a premium here, but from all reports, many members just keep on going back.

There are other options with many freelancers available and online hook-ups to be had. Just join Pina Love and your phone will ping constantly. Just ask your taxi driver or hotel doorman if he knows a 'pretty woman' and you'll most probably get sorted for the night and avoid the barfines. You just have to weed out the time-wasters online, but it can be very fruitful.

There's numerous accommodation options in both areas and threads which detail those.

If you dig back a bit further through some older, but fairly recent posts, I'm sure you'll be able to gain some valuable information.

_ Phil.

[QUOTE=BigDaddy1906;3026942]

I'm not asking to be spoon fed by asking members to "tell me everything you know, etc. , but if there are specific reports that you know of that you could help me get a basic understanding of the state of play in Manila (Hotels, areas, etc.) I would be most appreciative. Thanks.[/QUOTE]It's hard to recommend specific reports with out knowing your preferences. Manila has everything imaginable available and different subscribers have reported on what ever was / is their likes. Perhaps have a read through the old reports and PM the authors who seem to be interested in the same things as you.

Generally speaking, Manila is a very good option for a newbie with only a few days to spare. There are thousands of girls available at short notice and many many different paths to meet them. P Burgos is purpose built for guys with more money than time. Online has girls available 24/7. Just be wary of the flood of scammers who appear when you first sign up. Introductions are available from taxi drivers, hotel staff etc. Outcall brothels can send girls direct to your door without you having to even leave the room. Even civilians can be found if you are outgoing and have some game.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3026949]

However if it's Manila specific, basically you want to be in the Makati or Malate areas. Makati, or more specifically, the P Burgos area where you'll find the girly bar area. Expect to pay a premium here, but from all reports, many members just keep on going back.

[/QUOTE]I've always liked the Greenbelt area. It's close to the action but far enough away that good girls won't be scared off when you ask them to come back you your room. Many are happy to come back 'to see your room' but don't want to be seen walking around red light areas or checking into a short time hotel.

Greenbelt also has all the options: hotels of all standards; Airbnb condos; even hourly hire fuck pads. It's also a foreigner friendly area with lots to do in between sessions.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=BigDaddy1906;3026942]Greeting all!!

I'll probably be making my first trip to the Philippines this late November. The last time I was there I was barely 10 and Clark and Subic were still operational.

I'll only have a few days so I'll mostly be confined to the Manila area. As this is a whole arena for me (I've mostly been in Bangkok and Dubai) I have ZERO experience in all the essential areas. I'm trying to RTFF and the ROD but I seem to not be able to grasp on the basics.

I'm not asking to be spoon fed by asking members to "tell me everything you know, etc. , but if there are specific reports that you know of that you could help me get a basic understanding of the state of play in Manila (Hotels, areas, etc.) I would be most appreciative. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Take the bus to AC, no experience needed there.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3026385]I used input and research from here as where to base myself. I'm still within the free cancelation period with my hotel site. At first I booked the other main area, I believe, near the port. Then after looking at pros and cons (intended!) I went with makati. Maybe I'll re-book near the commercial zone near where the Robinson place is. Costs aren't always my main consideration, but often are. First timer, yes, to PH. . Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I have been staying at Red Planet Manila Bay lately reserving a bayside room for about p2. 6 K / nt. It is close to Cowboy Grill, LA Cafe, and G-Point, and isn't too from the late night venue, ZZYZX (located at Adriatico Circle) which always attracts a slew of beauties.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3025553]Well, that's the only way I'll get my daily foot massages, it feels better. I just didn't thought was worth mentioning.[/QUOTE]What are the Massage and BJ Venues? That is happening at the same time.

This picture is amazing.

I told my trt doctor a few weeks ago I was going to Boracay, he got excited and intrigued. Comes to find out he's from the Philippines.

He's a men's Health doc so I wanted to ask him for a doxy script, but I didn't want to offend him by indicating I'm going to his homeland to **** out his women LOL. And he knows I'm married (even it's co-parenting at this point). Inevitably I decided against it and figured I'd take my chances or go to pulse.

So I go to get my last shot before the trip and he asks me if I had anything for travelers flu and I told him no, he said he'd write me a script which I was confused.

Go to the pharmacy and comes to find out it was a cipro script. Respect for the man for looking out! Would give him a tip if he wasn't already wealthy LOL.

[QUOTE=Naoffer2018;3027155]What are the Massage and BJ Venues? That is happening at the same time.

This picture is amazing.[/QUOTE]That's my room, and 2 of my regulars. But I had that done in also in AC within an AMP recently also on Vian St coming from A Santos, first or second place on your left, I don't remember. But it was a bit more intense, with one sucking and 4 massaging me.

Hi guys, I will be visiting PH the first week of Oct. For 7 days staying at CGG.

Background: I am recently separated 56 yo blk male so I have 25 yrs of SOP (Same old P) I am looking to break during my stay. LOL.

I am a bar (resto, sports) lounge type of person. Not into Discos but I do plan to visit Royal as I keep reading good reviews about it.

So far my list includes. Secret Door, Secret Library, Buccaneers, Shooters and Midnight Haven Cafe and maybe FRYE or Neon Lights.

I have RTFF, very helpful, shout out Westie, Philjoy, OnU, G and the many others for sharing.

I am on PL. Mostly 20 to 30 YO have shown interest in meeting. However I would enjoy a more mature woman (35 and up) to spend time with. I will also celebrate my birthday during my visit and most older woman on PL are looking for serious relationship.

Besides my list of bars, any other spots I should check out? Also was planning to spend a night near Midnight Haven Cafe to prevent a Grab ride back to Makati, Do you guys feel this is necessary?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Dachi14;3027279]Hi guys, I will be visiting PH the first week of Oct. For 7 days staying at CGG.

I have RTFF, very helpful, shout out Westie, Philjoy, OnU, G and the many others for sharing.

I am on PL. Mostly 20 to 30 YO have shown interest in meeting. However I would enjoy a more mature woman (35 and up) to spend time with. I will also celebrate my birthday during my visit and most older woman on PL are looking for serious relationship.

Besides my list of bars, any other spots I should check out? Also was planning to spend a night near Midnight Haven Cafe to prevent a Grab ride back to Makati, Do you guys feel this is necessary?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Hi Dachi,

It looks like you're well researched and I'm sure you'll have a great time. And yes, there are many bar options as opposed to the disco set, so no need to worry there.

I'd personally stay around Midnight Haven for a few days, as I did on my most recent visit, however, if your time is limited to one night, the Grab option doesn't sound too bad. Other guys have mentioned some short-time hotels around the area in previous posts.

Yes, the older ones on PL are looking for long-long-time. However, I've found that once you arrive in The Phils and log into PL on your phone, your location is disclosed and all of a sudden, the thing starts pinging like crazy with lots of other options and messages you don't get at home. I've never had a problem finding some older, more experienced freelance options in Manila.

Enjoy! _ Phil.

[QUOTE=Dachi14;3027279]

I am on PL. Mostly 20 to 30 YO have shown interest in meeting. However I would enjoy a more mature woman (35 and up) to spend time with. I will also celebrate my birthday during my visit and most older woman on PL are looking for serious relationship.

[/QUOTE]Most girls state publically that they want a serious relationship but are still open to hook ups in private. I think that many try to get their foot in the door then try to change the guy's mind. Many are concerned about impressions should friends or family see their profile.

Most of the time it's best to remain respectful. I typically say that I'm not looking for a relationship but it's always good to meet new friends. Avoid a straight cash for gash offer unless she is clearly on the game. Maybe even include a introductory meal. It doesn't have to be fancy but many will be reluctant to meet straight away in your room. You could even tie in your birthday, saying that you don't want to celebrate alone. Don't be surprised if a more mature lady offers to cook for you.

I always get better results when I make contact while in town in my hotel, not at home intending to arrive next month.

Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3027326]Most girls state publically that they want a serious relationship but are still open to hook ups in private. I think that many try to get their foot in the door then try to change the guy's mind. Many are concerned about impressions should friends or family see their profile.

Most of the time it's best to remain respectful. I typically say that I'm not looking for a relationship but it's always good to meet new friends. Avoid a straight cash for gash offer unless she is clearly on the game. Maybe even include a introductory meal. It doesn't have to be fancy but many will be reluctant to meet straight away in your room. You could even tie in your birthday, saying that you don't want to celebrate alone. Don't be surprised if a more mature lady offers to cook for you.

I always get better results when I make contact while in town in my hotel, not at home intending to arrive next month.

Good luck. G.[/QUOTE]Saying you are looking for "fun dates" is a PL code for hookups and not relationships. You may see profiles from women who say "not interested in fun. " If you want to appear to be looking for an ongoing thing, don't say "fun" in your profile.

And I like the idea of saying "always good to make new friends. " Helps you look like a "gentleman" instead of a monger, even if you just want poke as much as possible.

[QUOTE=Dachi14;3027279]Hi guys, I will be visiting PH the first week of Oct. For 7 days staying at CGG.

Background: I am recently separated 56 yo blk male so I have 25 yrs of SOP (Same old P) I am looking to break during my stay. LOL.

I am a bar (resto, sports) lounge type of person. Not into Discos but I do plan to visit Royal as I keep reading good reviews about it.

So far my list includes. Secret Door, Secret Library, Buccaneers, Shooters and Midnight Haven Cafe and maybe FRYE or Neon Lights.

I have RTFF, very helpful, shout out Westie, Philjoy, OnU, G and the many others for sharing.

I am on PL. Mostly 20 to 30 YO have shown interest in meeting. However I would enjoy a more mature woman (35 and up) to spend time with. I will also celebrate my birthday during my visit and most older woman on PL are looking for serious relationship.

Besides my list of bars, any other spots I should check out? Also was planning to spend a night near Midnight Haven Cafe to prevent a Grab ride back to Makati, Do you guys feel this is necessary?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Use [URL]dateinasia.com[/URL] and set the age filter where you want it, you'll get 1 million hits for old ones.

Twiglet invited me into the depths. Unfortunately (or fortunately) she was suffering from a case of OTP (Overly-Tight Poonana). The session lasted about 4 minutes. Its not often a feller gets into such a tight jam. I was inspired to new heights (and a fast finish). Unfortunately when it finally deflated and fell out of her, a large dose of Westy-vax was also ejected from the OTP, thus requiring several more "Re-Vacc" sessions to get her properly inoculated.

Aside from the medications that are used for hobbying, do pharmacies in Manila sell OTC prescriptions for like cholesterol, high blood pressure, celebrex, etc. ?

[QUOTE=BigDaddy1906;3027610]Aside from the medications that are used for hobbying, do pharmacies in Manila sell OTC prescriptions for like cholesterol, high blood pressure, celebrex, etc. ?[/QUOTE]Generally as the words imply OTC, is over the counter medicine without a prescription. OTC is sold in Philippines. You have to try your luck with prescriptions. I suggest you bring your prescription bottles to the pharmacy for refills. Or bring an actual prescription (s).

In any event you can see a local clinic or doctor to get a prescription (s).

[QUOTE=BigDaddy1906;3027610]Aside from the medications that are used for hobbying, do pharmacies in Manila sell OTC prescriptions for like cholesterol, high blood pressure, celebrex, etc. ?[/QUOTE]Yes, I take Crestor, and no problem finding it.

[QUOTE=BigDaddy1906;3027610]Aside from the medications that are used for hobbying, do pharmacies in Manila sell OTC prescriptions for like cholesterol, high blood pressure, celebrex, etc. ?[/QUOTE]Hi BD,

I always come prepared, but having said that, I've always found a Mercury Drug store that will help you out with all sorts of meds.

My doc in Australia is wonderful and she tells me what not to take when I'm on the vitamin V. She prescribes that in advance, as she firmly warns against buying ED meds in The Phils or third world countries, especially off the street.

Everyone's different, but she knows my medical history, and knows when it's pussy time, I'm allowed to go without the Isosorbide for a few weeks, at least, while I'm digesting the V.

If you're only visiting for a short time, BYO. If not, you'll find somewhere to help you out.

_ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3027645]Hi BD,

I always come prepared, but having said that, I've always found a Mercury Drug store that will help you out with all sorts of meds.

My doc in Australia is wonderful and she tells me what not to take when I'm on the vitamin V. She prescribes that in advance, as she firmly warns against buying ED meds in The Phils or third world countries, especially off the street.

Everyone's different, but she knows my medical history, and knows when it's pussy time, I'm allowed to go without the Isosorbide for a few weeks, at least, while I'm digesting the V.

If you're only visiting for a short time, BYO. If not, you'll find somewhere to help you out.

_ Phil.[/QUOTE]There is also the question of volume. I've never been unable to find what I'm looking for but I have been unable to find the quantity I want. Generally speaking, I've also found meds back home cheaper and just easier to source. Not the end of the world but I have had to pharmacy shop after being turned away by some for no / old prescriptions Not an issue if BD is in one area for a while and learns where and when to shop but a PITA if in town for a few days only.

As Phil says, if you can, BYO. Otherwise you should be fine if you don't leave it to the last minute.

Enjoy. G.

Just got home yesterday after spending the last 7 days in Makati. It's been a crazy. For reference, I'm 24 year old and work in a big tech company. As this is my first time visiting Philippines, I made a post on this forum and some people suggested that I stay in Makati, so I decided to head there from the airport. I asked some police officer about taxi and he suggested that I download grab, and it worked out well. Hotel was around $130 a night. I pay for 3 nights and on my way up the elevator, I see a Japanese man with a girl going up as well. The girl start talking to me "sir, where're you from" LOL, I immediately knew that was a working girl. I answer, and then she ask me for my name. I said, "why you asking for my name, you trynna come to my room", LOL. We all laugh. I didn't have Whatsapp set up on my temporary number, so I get her number and promise to message her later. Go to the room, shower, and I'm very tired. I need sleep but I'm feeling that excitement so I don't think I could sleep without busting a nut. So, I come down, tip the security guard 300 and ask him for directions to the bars. I looked on google maps so I had some idea too. Only a few block away, many streetwalkers. They literally start pulling my hand. Problem is, some of them either got that old face, plastic surgery or look like ladyboys. I'm like nahh. So I probably had to escape like 15 of these before I made it to the first bar. I see a bar called Mayson or something similar. I remember somebody here recommended me that bar. I walk in, pretty empty and dark and loud. Probably 15 girls dancing. Kinda nervous. Mamasan comes to me. She asked me what I wanted to drink. I said just give me any, I think it was vodka. She start asking me where I'm from and I look young blah blah. She asks me to go closer to the dance bar and look at the girls. I ask her to just bring me a good one because I don't feel like selecting one rn. She gets me a 21 year old; doesn't look Asian tbh, looks more Hispanic. Not bad. She starts grinding on me ofc. So I ask if she wants a drink and ofc she wants one. Then mama goes "you buy mama a drink" I'm like sure. Now the other lady, I think the waitress, wants a drink too. I'm like sure, whatever. Then mama takes my hand place it on her boobs. I give them a squeeze or two. The girl takes my other hand and place it down her pussy. At this point, I'm rock hard. So I ask that I want to take her to my hotel, and how much the barfine. They go like 4200 plus the girl's pay. I'm like how much is the girl's pay, she asks for 10 k. I'm like dammm. Ok, 4 k and go get dressed. They try to bargain ofc, and I say no. I already know I'm overpaying, LOL. The bill came out to be like 5700 or something like that, I hand over 6 k, and I don't get anything back. Now somebody from the kitchen came out with a sign asking for tip. I'm like wtf. Ok, fine, just take the leftover money from my bill. They're like no, that's the tip for the waitress. I'm like wtf. So I give them another 200. At this point the girl dresses up and we head out, and now the securities outside with another sign asking for a tip. I'm like wtf is this place bruh. Ok, another 200. Take the girl to the hotel, and she wants to shower. Okay sure. I haven't had sex in a while so you know, I'm excited. Initially, I promised myself that I won't get a BJ from any of the working girls but I forget that ofc. She pulls down my pant and she goes like soooooo big. I'm like whattu mean? I'm literally 7 inches on a good day. I'm like how do you fuck the Africans / Black people, she's like no black man in her pussy. Oh okay, sure whatever you say LOL. So I get a BJ for like 1 minute and I'm ready. I fucked her for like 20 minutes solid at different positions. She was engaged for the first 15 minutes but how I see her getting bored and her face was showing. So I'm trynna focus and bust because I'm feeling bad for her. Combination of condom and the fact that I did not get sleep, making it hard to finish but I still manage to finish. Hand her 5 k and ask her if she wants to go for food. Ofc she does. She takes me to some places she says is famous there. Shitty food honestly but bill comes to be 3 k. Okay, I come home, sleep and the next day, I I'm sick asf. I'm embarrassed to say but it was Diarrhea. I didn't even think about that, otherwise I would've taken Pepto Bismol with me. Well, my whole body hurts, I have fever and the usual diarrhea symptoms. I took some cookies, chips and candies from home and that's what I eat the whole day. The diarrhea situation gets better because I have barely any food in my stomach but I'm feeling lightheaded, sleep schedule is messed up and just felt very bad overall. Toward the afternoon I download PinaLove, setup a profile and buy premium. Well holy shit, I start getting bombarded with requests. Ofc, some of them mention they cost money. Long story short, I fucked a total of 13 girls in the next 6 days. I was running a marathon. Youngest one was 20 and the oldest one was probably 40 (she catfished me bad) she said she was 27 and then came to my room. Didn't let me check her ID but I suspect she was 40. I didn't want to fuck her but she started crying and I felt bad so I decided to fuck her. Idk why I took her to my room after seeing that it's clearly a catfish but I did. Rookie mistake. I offered her 3 k to just leave and then again, she started telling me all the sob story. So I decided to fuck her. Ngl, she fucked the shit out of me. I could not keep up, holy shit. Literal freak. On top of that she was on her period. Got her blood all over the bed ofc, yuck. After like 30 minutes, I tell her the condom is making it difficult for me to finish and she says I can go without condom and ask if I'm clean. I'm like yea so she says go in but don't come inside. I go in and literally 3 thrusts later, I come to my senses. Wtf, I literally forgot about my oath that no entry to a vag without condom. So I put another condom on, and go for another 10 min and finish. Throw 7 k at her and she's asking for more because I promised her food before she arrived, so 1 k more. Kick her out and I'm trynna process what just happened. Holy shit, my depression hits. Now I'm thinking, what if she gets pregnant and what if she had hiv or other stds. The worst part is, how the fuck did I just fall for this catfish. It's like I wasn't thinking with my brain. Ofc I start searching around on google and chatgpt about her probably of getting pregnant from pre-cum with factoring in things like she's on her period, she's 40 years old and I wiped down my pp before going raw for a few seconds. Low chance, probably 1 in a thousand but there still a chance. Depression hits soo hard and I cannot sleep. No food in my stomach, physically sick and I'm panicking hard. Depression gets to the point where if I had my handy dandy glocky nine-teeny with me, it could've been a different story. But then I convince myself I cannot die out here because then my religious parents will find out what I was doing here and they probably won't survive the shock knowing that I was sinning out here and going to hell. Also, I'm going to be doing blood test in a month or so, hopefully the results doesn't cause more depression. Ok, also I realized that not eating food is causing my depression to get worse and worse and I also need to go take medicine for my stomach. Next day, I go to a pharmacy and the pharmacist lady gave me some liquid vile. "This is best for diarrhea" she said. Okay but I'm reading the labels and it said not FDA (FDA that was if I remember correctly) approved and for therapeutic claims only. Gut restore, probiotics or some shit. I searched online and not much info about that honestly. Whatever, I take it and get some food. At this point, I feel sick, I look sick, and my whole body hurts. Having marathon sex ain't helping either. I'm not enjoying sex anymore because my pp hurts bad but I'm still bringing in 2 girls per day on average because I just want to meet new girls. Half of them asked for money up front (5 k to 10 k). Some of them, didn't ask for money and didn't want to take it but if I liked the girl, I gave her 10 k minimum, literally begged them to take the money because I know that they could use the money better than I could. Some of them, I took out to eat but I didn't eat most of the time because my stomach situation. Failed to finish 3 times with three different girls because I was having sex 2 3 time a day while being physically sick. But I was enjoying having soo many girls, different personalities, different sized boobs. Some of them had inverted nippies, and those were the best. I feel bad that some of the girls thought I'd be their BF, support them financially, LOL. Some of them are blowing up my What'sapp with "Hey", "hey babe", "babe I miss you" and other emotional messages but it's good that it's in a different phone and my notifications are silenced. Maybe I'll keep this number for 4-5 months to see if any of them got preggo. If not, I'll deactivate the number. Well, I'm not concerned about that except for that one catfish. I bet he hotel staffers and the cleaning people are very happy with me because I probably tipped them 4-5 k total in 7 days. Idk if some of them wanted to fuck me or just giving me those vibe because of the money, but you know I was getting soo much puss, that I didn't really want to make them a part of this mess. One time, I sent myself money and went to go pick up from Cebuna but got lost because GPS is not accurate. Ended up seeing literal human shit on the road. Smelly asf everywhere. Very hot and humid ofc. Threw up in the car ofc. The Grub driver was nice. I gave him 6 k and apologized many times. Including the flight I spent a total of $7. 4 K for this trip. I know that's little more than I thought I'd spend but whatever. Lost almost 10 pounds (I always weigh in empty stomach) but I'm soooo happy to be home where the car doesn't smell and roads are much cleaner, less trafficy. Honestly, this trip made me realize how bad some people have it, in terms of poverty, living conditions and other things. I wasn't born in this country so this made me appreciate Uncle Sam and thanked him for saving me honestly. I might need to take off work for the next 2 days. Would I go back to PH? Yes but not staying in Manila. I rather take flight from Manila to somewhere else on the same day. I wanted to spend 3 days in Manila and go to a beach later but I knew I'd get even sicker if I sat in a car for that long. Many things I regret but this was a good lesson for me. I got to learn some things the hard way and I have much better idea of what to avoid and how to handle situations better. I'm sure I'm take many more trips over the next few years, and report crazy experiences, if I'm still alive. I still have a week more vacation left this year and I'm thinking about going to Colombia. Ahh, maybe I should avoid that country until I have big more experience. Maybe I'll go to India and get some of the Curry Cannons if you know what I mean. I've seen videos of some of them with massive Cannons. LOL. Alright enough talk. Thanks for reading my rant. Until next time, that's if there is a next time.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3027651]There is also the question of volume. I've never been unable to find what I'm looking for but I have been unable to find the quantity I want. Generally speaking, I've also found meds back home cheaper and just easier to source. Not the end of the world but I have had to pharmacy shop after being turned away by some for no / old prescriptions Not an issue if BD is in one area for a while and learns where and when to shop but a PITA if in town for a few days only.

As Phil says, if you can, BYO. Otherwise you should be fine if you don't leave it to the last minute.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I ask because when I go to BKK are Dubai, I'm able to stock up on my everyday meds and save a On rather than schlep back to the US and pay crazy prices (WITH INSURANCE!

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730]Just got home yesterday after spending the last 7 days in Makati. It's been a crazy. For reference, I'm 24 year old and work in a big tech company. As this is my first time visiting Philippines, I made a post on this forum and some people suggested that I stay in Makati, so I decided to head there from the airport. I asked some police officer about taxi and he suggested that I download grab, and it worked out well. Hotel was around $130 a night. I pay for 3 nights and on my way up the elevator, I see a Japanese man with a girl going up as well. The girl start talking to me "sir, where're you from" LOL, I immediately knew that was a working girl. I answer, and then she ask me for my name. I said, "why you asking for my name, you trynna come to my room", LOL. We all laugh. I didn't have Whatsapp set up on my temporary number, so I get her number and promise to message her later. Go to the room, shower, and I'm very tired. I need sleep but I'm feeling that excitement so I don't think I could sleep without busting a nut. So, I come down, tip the security guard 300 and ask him for directions to the bars. I looked on google maps so I had some idea too. Only a few block away, many streetwalkers. They literally start pulling my hand. Problem is, some of them either got that old face, plastic surgery or look like ladyboys. I'm like nahh. So I probably had to escape like 15 of these before I made it to the first bar. I see a bar called Mayson or something similar. I remember somebody here recommended me that bar. I walk in, pretty empty and dark and loud. Probably 15 girls dancing. Kinda nervous. Mamasan comes to me. She asked me what I wanted to drink. I said just give me any, I think it was vodka. She start asking me where I'm from and I look young blah blah. She asks me to go closer to the dance bar and look at the girls. I ask her to just bring me a good one because I don't feel like selecting one rn. She gets me a 21 year old; doesn't look Asian tbh, looks more Hispanic. Not bad. She starts grinding on me ofc. So I ask if she wants a drink and ofc she wants one. Then mama goes "you buy mama a drink" I'm like sure. Now the other lady, I think the waitress, wants a drink too. I'm like sure, whatever. Then mama takes my hand place it on her boobs. I give them a squeeze or two. The girl takes my other hand and place it down her pussy. At this point, I'm rock hard. So I ask that I want to take her to my hotel, and how much the barfine. They go like 4200 plus the girl's pay. I'm like how much is the girl's pay, she asks for 10 k. I'm like dammm. Ok, 4 k and go get dressed. They try to bargain ofc, and I say no. I already know I'm overpaying, LOL. The bill came out to be like 5700 or something like that, I hand over 6 k, and I don't get anything back. Now somebody from the kitchen came out with a sign asking for tip. I'm like wtf. Ok, fine, just take the leftover money from my bill. They're like no, that's the tip for the waitress. I'm like wtf. So I give them another 200. At this point the girl dresses up and we head out, and now the securities outside with another sign asking for a tip. I'm like wtf is this place bruh. Ok, another 200. Take the girl to the hotel, and she wants to shower. Okay sure. I haven't had sex in a while so you know, I'm excited. Initially, I promised myself that I won't get a BJ from any of the working girls but I forget that ofc. She pulls down my pant and she goes like soooooo big. I'm like whattu mean? I'm literally 7 inches on a good day. I'm like how do you fuck the Africans / Black people, she's like no black man in her pussy. Oh okay, sure whatever you say LOL. So I get a BJ for like 1 minute and I'm ready. I fucked her for like 20 minutes solid at different positions. She was engaged for the first 15 minutes but how I see her getting bored and her face was showing. So I'm trynna focus and bust because I'm feeling bad for her. Combination of condom and the fact that I did not get sleep, making it hard to finish but I still manage to finish. Hand her 5 k and ask her if she wants to go for food. Ofc she does. She takes me to some places she says is famous there. Shitty food honestly but bill comes to be 3 k. Okay, I come home, sleep and the next day, I I'm sick asf. I'm embarrassed to say but it was Diarrhea. I didn't even think about that, otherwise I would've taken Pepto Bismol with me. Well, my whole body hurts, I have fever and the usual diarrhea symptoms. I took some cookies, chips and candies from home and that's what I eat the whole day. The diarrhea situation gets better because I have barely any food in my stomach but I'm feeling lightheaded, sleep schedule is messed up and just felt very bad overall. Toward the afternoon I download PinaLove, setup a profile and buy premium. Well holy shit, I start getting bombarded with requests. Ofc, some of them mention they cost money. Long story short, I fucked a total of 13 girls in the next 6 days. I was running a marathon. Youngest one was 20 and the oldest one was probably 40 (she catfished me bad) she said she was 27 and then came to my room. Didn't let me check her ID but I suspect she was 40. I didn't want to fuck her but she started crying and I felt bad so I decided to fuck her. Idk why I took her to my room after seeing that it's clearly a catfish but I did. Rookie mistake. I offered her 3 k to just leave and then again, she started telling me all the sob story. So I decided to fuck her. Ngl, she fucked the shit out of me. I could not keep up, holy shit. Literal freak. On top of that she was on her period. Got her blood all over the bed ofc, yuck. After like 30 minutes, I tell her the condom is making it difficult for me to finish and she says I can go without condom and ask if I'm clean. I'm like yea so she says go in but don't come inside. I go in and literally 3 thrusts later, I come to my senses. Wtf, I literally forgot about my oath that no entry to a vag without condom. So I put another condom on, and go for another 10 min and finish. Throw 7 k at her and she's asking for more because I promised her food before she arrived, so 1 k more. Kick her out and I'm trynna process what just happened. Holy shit, my depression hits. Now I'm thinking, what if she gets pregnant and what if she had hiv or other stds. The worst part is, how the fuck did I just fall for this catfish. It's like I wasn't thinking with my brain. Ofc I start searching around on google and chatgpt about her probably of getting pregnant from pre-cum with factoring in things like she's on her period, she's 40 years old and I wiped down my pp before going raw for a few seconds. Low chance, probably 1 in a thousand but there still a chance. Depression hits soo hard and I cannot sleep. No food in my stomach, physically sick and I'm panicking hard. Depression gets to the point where if I had my handy dandy glocky nine-teeny with me, it could've been a different story. But then I convince myself I cannot die out here because then my religious parents will find out what I was doing here and they probably won't survive the shock knowing that I was sinning out here and going to hell. Also, I'm going to be doing blood test in a month or so, hopefully the results doesn't cause more depression. Ok, also I realized that not eating food is causing my depression to get worse and worse and I also need to go take medicine for my stomach. Next day, I go to a pharmacy and the pharmacist lady gave me some liquid vile. "This is best for diarrhea" she said. Okay but I'm reading the labels and it said not FDA (FDA that was if I remember correctly) approved and for therapeutic claims only. Gut restore, probiotics or some shit. I searched online and not much info about that honestly. Whatever, I take it and get some food. At this point, I feel sick, I look sick, and my whole body hurts. Having marathon sex ain't helping either. I'm not enjoying sex anymore because my pp hurts bad but I'm still bringing in 2 girls per day on average because I just want to meet new girls. Half of them asked for money up front (5 k to 10 k). Some of them, didn't ask for money and didn't want to take it but if I liked the girl, I gave her 10 k minimum, literally begged them to take the money because I know that they could use the money better than I could. Some of them, I took out to eat but I didn't eat most of the time because my stomach situation. Failed to finish 3 times with three different girls because I was having sex 2 3 time a day while being physically sick. But I was enjoying having soo many girls, different personalities, different sized boobs. Some of them had inverted nippies, and those were the best. I feel bad that some of the girls thought I'd be their BF, support them financially, LOL. Some of them are blowing up my What'sapp with "Hey", "hey babe", "babe I miss you" and other emotional messages but it's good that it's in a different phone and my notifications are silenced. Maybe I'll keep this number for 4-5 months to see if any of them got preggo. If not, I'll deactivate the number. Well, I'm not concerned about that except for that one catfish. I bet he hotel staffers and the cleaning people are very happy with me because I probably tipped them 4-5 k total in 7 days. Idk if some of them wanted to fuck me or just giving me those vibe because of the money, but you know I was getting soo much puss, that I didn't really want to make them a part of this mess. One time, I sent myself money and went to go pick up from Cebuna but got lost because GPS is not accurate. Ended up seeing literal human shit on the road. Smelly asf everywhere. Very hot and humid ofc. Threw up in the car ofc. The Grub driver was nice. I gave him 6 k and apologized many times. Including the flight I spent a total of $7. 4 K for this trip. I know that's little more than I thought I'd spend but whatever. Lost almost 10 pounds (I always weigh in empty stomach) but I'm soooo happy to be home where the car doesn't smell and roads are much cleaner, less trafficy. Honestly, this trip made me realize how bad some people have it, in terms of poverty, living conditions and other things. I wasn't born in this country so this made me appreciate Uncle Sam and thanked him for saving me honestly. I might need to take off work for the next 2 days. Would I go back to PH? Yes but not staying in Manila. I rather take flight from Manila to somewhere else on the same day. I wanted to spend 3 days in Manila and go to a beach later but I knew I'd get even sicker if I sat in a car for that long. Many things I regret but this was a good lesson for me. I got to learn some things the hard way and I have much better idea of what to avoid and how to handle situations better. I'm sure I'm take many more trips over the next few years, and report crazy experiences, if I'm still alive. I still have a week more vacation left this year and I'm thinking about going to Colombia. Ahh, maybe I should avoid that country until I have big more experience. Maybe I'll go to India and get some of the Curry Cannons if you know what I mean. I've seen videos of some of them with massive Cannons. LOL. Alright enough talk. Thanks for reading my rant. Until next time, that's if there is a next time.[/QUOTE]And this is the reason why I always recommend AC for the newbies, Manila is just like any other big city in the world, NY, Rome, Paris, everybody will try to scam you. I'm curios what the trip costed you, without the flight.

By the way, very nice report, and do not wait or reply to any pregnant messages, just forget about, and delete the contacts, they are all scammers.

Great descriptive Phils-freshman report! Some thoughts.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730]The girl start talking to me "sir, where're you from" LOL, I immediately knew that was a working girl. I answer, and then she ask me for my name. I said, "why you asking for my name, you trynna come to my room", LOL. We all laugh. I didn't have Whatsapp set up on my temporary number, so I get her number and promise to message her later. [/QUOTE]One of the unexpected joys of Phils: Complete strangers engage you in conversation. And pinay might be overly suggestive at times. Be careful the ladyboy. Smile!

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730]I probably had to escape like 15 of these before I made it to the first bar. I see a bar called Mayson or something similar. [/QUOTE]Maison. For other newbs reference, Burgos St, corner Badajos St.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730]She gets me a 21 year old; doesn't look Asian tbh, looks more Hispanic. Not bad. [/QUOTE]Probably looks a bit Mexican / Latina (slightly thicker body than asian, wider nose). "The far-east Mexico". The Spaniards were here.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730]So I ask that I want to take her to my hotel, and how much the barfine. They go like 4200 plus the girl's pay. I'm like how much is the girl's pay, she asks for 10 k. I'm like dammm. [/QUOTE]Ya that's about twice the girl's normal asking amount. Guessing from your reporting here that they smelled your FOB-ness (Fresh Off the Bus).

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730]Now somebody from the kitchen came out with a sign asking for tip. I'm like wtf. [/QUOTE]Once again, Mexico-east. Its common to ask for a 'lucky tip', or give any reason to ask for one, even when the person has done nothing (or almost nothing) for you. You are about to enter some business, and a complete stranger jumps in front of you and opens the door so you can enter. Not requested by you, but he holds his hand out for a tip. Alternately in Manila you will see beggars open the door for patrons at a convenience store, holding out their hand for a tip for a service that you didn't want or request.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730]Ok, fine, just take the leftover money from my bill. They're like no, that's the tip for the waitress. I'm like wtf. So I give them another 200. [/QUOTE]Same.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730]At this point the girl dresses up and we head out, and now the securities outside with another sign asking for a tip. I'm like wtf is this place bruh. Ok, another 200. [/QUOTE]I spy a theme here. Expect to see more of it.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730]Toward the afternoon I download PinaLove, setup a profile and buy premium. Well holy shit, I start getting bombarded with requests. Ofc, some of them mention they cost money. Long story short, I fucked a total of 13 girls in the next 6 days. I was running a marathon. Youngest one was 20 and the oldest one was probably 40 [/QUOTE]Oh, to be young again. Go stud, go!

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730](she catfished me bad) she said she was 27 and then came to my room. Didn't let me check her ID but I suspect she was 40. I didn't want to fuck her but she started crying and I felt bad so I decided to fuck her. [/QUOTE]They say you don't really know a Filipinas age until. . . You see her social security check. Did you notice any menopause meds in her purse? Smile.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730]Idk why I took her to my room after seeing that it's clearly a catfish but I did. Rookie mistake. I offered her 3 k to just leave and then again, she started telling me all the sob story. So I decided to fuck her. Ngl, she fucked the shit out of me. I could not keep up, holy shit. Literal freak. On top of that she was on her period. Got her blood all over the bed ofc, yuck. After like 30 minutes, I tell her the condom is making it difficult for me to finish and she says I can go without condom and ask if I'm clean. I'm like yea so she says go in but don't come inside. I go in and literally 3 thrusts later, I come to my senses. Wtf, I literally forgot about my oath that no entry to a vag without condom. So I put another condom on, and go for another 10 min and finish. [/QUOTE]Keeps getting better with every sentence!

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730]Throw 7 k at her and she's asking for more because I promised her food before she arrived, so 1 k more. Kick her out and I'm trynna process what just happened. Holy shit, my depression hits. Now I'm thinking, what if she gets pregnant and what if she had hiv or other stds. The worst part is, how the fuck did I just fall for this catfish. It's like I wasn't thinking with my brain. [/QUOTE]"One Night in Bangkok (makes a hard man humble!) -- Murray Head.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730]I searched online and not much info about that honestly. Whatever, I take it and get some food. At this point, I feel sick, I look sick, and my whole body hurts. [/QUOTE]Loperamide (anti-diarrheal), available any pharmacy OTC. Works quickly and well. One pill usually does the trick (well, that's what I heard in the grapevine).

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730]Having marathon sex ain't helping either. [/QUOTE]Raining on my parade here.

[QUOTE=Sinclair3;3027730]I'm not enjoying sex anymore because my pp hurts bad but I'm still bringing in 2 girls per day on average because I just want to meet new girls. SNIP Failed to finish 3 times with three different girls because I was having sex 2 3 time a day while being physically sick. But I was enjoying having soo many girls, different personalities, different sized boobs. Some of them had inverted nippies, and those were the best. [/QUOTE]Did it occur to you that you contracted something from one of the girls? Doctor's checkups are cheap and prescriptions are easy.

Hello brethren,

I'm going for my first Philippines trip in October, and would be staying in Mataki. Could any learned soul confirm if Dusit Thani Mataki is green? My budget is $100-130 per night, so any other good recommendations would be highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for the knowledge trove I've read through in my research. Including some reports about rats and roaches at some hotels (thanks for taking one for the team) LOL.

Cheers!

Oxygen.

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3027967]Hello brethren,

I'm going for my first Philippines trip in October, and would be staying in Mataki. Could any learned soul confirm if Dusit Thani Mataki is green? My budget is $100-130 per night, so any other good recommendations would be highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for the knowledge trove I've read through in my research. Including some reports about rats and roaches at some hotels (thanks for taking one for the team) LOL.

Cheers!

Oxygen.[/QUOTE]Its hard to find a hotel that isn't green. I used Dusit Thani for 12+ years, approx 2-4 times a year. Its gotten a bit tired but the service is good. They may occasionally stop a girl and ask for ID, but otherwise its super green.

[QUOTE=SimplyBad2024;3027971]Its hard to find a hotel that isn't green. I used Dusit Thani for 12+ years, approx 2-4 times a year. Its gotten a bit tired but the service is good. They may occasionally stop a girl and ask for ID, but otherwise its super green.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insights Comrade. Much appreciated.

If I could get another piece of advice, would it be better to stay in Manila Bay area (Sheraton for example)? I've been a Marriott Bonvoy guest and hence get better deals at their properties.

Cheers!

Oxygen.

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3027992]Thanks for the insights Comrade. Much appreciated.

If I could get another piece of advice, would it be better to stay in Manila Bay area (Sheraton for example)? I've been a Marriott Bonvoy guest and hence get better deals at their properties.

Cheers!

Oxygen.[/QUOTE]Manila Bay is on the far west side of Manila. If you want point-and-and-click pussy, you will want to stay near P. Burgos street in Makati. If you want to cruise the street freelancers then stay near the malls. If you want to fish for captive FL's then stay near Midnight Haven (formerly LA Cafe) which is closer the Bay. Getting from one side of Manila to another can be a rather long Grab or taxi ride. As much as 45 minutes in traffic (there is ALWAYS traffic) for a 7 km dive.

So I suggest you pick your market location first, then look for suitable hotels nearby.

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3027967]Hello brethren,

I'm going for my first Philippines trip in October, and would be staying in Mataki. Could any learned soul confirm if Dusit Thani Mataki is green? My budget is $100-130 per night, so any other good recommendations would be highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for the knowledge trove I've read through in my research. Including some reports about rats and roaches at some hotels (thanks for taking one for the team) LOL.

Cheers!

Oxygen.[/QUOTE]The Dusit is definitely girl friendly. So much so that you will often see the lobby full of old uncles waiting for their 'nieces' to arrive. If you're a Club member, you will also see the girls in the VIP lounge for breakfast every morning.

As mentioned elsewhere, the hotel is starting to show it's age. It's probably a little overpriced for the standard of the rooms but it's in a great location, the staff are helpful and the meals are pretty good, especially the breakfasts. There are a couple of night clubs within walking distance and Burgos is only a short taxi away. It's surrounded by high end malls and western eateries.

Enjoy. G.

What about city Garden grand Hotel?

I know it's a nice hotel in a nice area. But are there. Ummm. Girls in the lobby and bar?

[QUOTE=Goferring;3028035]The Dusit is definitely girl friendly. So much so that you will often see the lobby full of old uncles waiting for their 'nieces' to arrive. If you're a Club member, you will also see the girls in the VIP lounge for breakfast every morning.

As mentioned elsewhere, the hotel is starting to show it's age. It's probably a little overpriced for the standard of the rooms but it's in a great location, the staff are helpful and the meals are pretty good, especially the breakfasts. There are a couple of night clubs within walking distance and Burgos is only a short taxi away. It's surrounded by high end malls and western eateries.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3027907]

Ya that's about twice the girl's normal asking amount. Guessing from your reporting here that they smelled your FOB-ness (Fresh Off the Bus).

Once again, Mexico-east. Its common to ask for a 'lucky tip', or give any reason to ask for one, even when the person has done nothing (or almost nothing) for you. You are about to enter some business, and a complete stranger jumps in front of you and opens the door so you can enter. Not requested by you, but he holds his hand out for a tip. Alternately in Manila you will see beggars open the door for patrons at a convenience store, holding out their hand for a tip for a service that you didn't want or request.

Same.

I spy a theme here. Expect to see more of it.[/QUOTE]That's the big risk. While it's good to be generous and say thanks, go too far and you're labelled an easy mark. Then everyone lines up to get a piece.

A good report never the less.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3028037]What about city Garden grand Hotel?

I know it's a nice hotel in a nice area. But are there. Ummm. Girls in the lobby and bar?[/QUOTE]I can't comment on the Garden Grand. I've never stayed there.

For clarity, I wasn't saying that there are available freelancers roaming the Dusit's lobby. There aren't. However, it's common to see old guys waiting for their partners to arrive or both to be at breakfast the next morning.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3028037]I know it's a nice hotel in a nice area. But are there. Ummm. Girls in the lobby and bar?[/QUOTE]I doth step in. I'm trying to recall any decent Manila hotel with hookers specifically hanging around in the lobby or bar. Your hotel is generally where you bring a girl in, from the outside. Others weigh in.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3028035] Dusit Thani is starting to show it's age. It's probably a little overpriced for the standard of the rooms but it's in a great location, the staff are helpful and the meals are pretty good, especially the breakfasts. There are a couple of night clubs within walking distance and Burgos is only a short taxi away. It's surrounded by high end malls and western eateries.
[/QUOTE]The Dusit Thani Manila in Makati is expected to close its doors in 2027, as its lease is set to expire and the property will revert to the Ayala Group marking nearly three decades of operation.

While the Makati hotel closes, Dusit International is expanding its presence in the Philippines with the opening of Dusit Greenhills Manila in late 2026, located in San Juan.

Ayala plans to redevelop the site. Probably like the old Intercon. Knock it down and build yet another expansion mall.

After a couple of weeks of planning and filtering possible girls on Pina Love, my first meeting was a disaster, though quite amusing in hindsight.

Flight got in around 8. Pm and was in hotel at 9. 30, amazingly, considering the traffic hell from the airport to Malate. I wanted to waste no time and to meet one of the ladies I'd been chatting with. She claimed to be a 22 yr old student. We moved to whatsapp and she'd sent me some photos of her, obviously lifted from the internet: one of her 'school' (university / college) lesson in progress and even a video (of her) giving her project summary to camera. Then she sent me some of the typical demure / flirty poses they all do for insta of whatever. Not sure the school and insta girls were the same but lots of them can look very similar to me with filters and so on.

A first, possible, red flag should have been her liberal use of 'babe' in her interactions. I asked for everything in BBFS and A and she just agreed to all, for 5000 pesos. As I gave her the address and room number, she asked for a photo of the keycard and room number and of yours truly, to see what I was wearing, neck down, of course. I asked how long she'd be and said 20-30 mins. Fifty minutes later she sends a photo of the road from inside a car.

Arrives finally. Very pretty, but I should have compared her face with those pics she'd sent. In retrospect, maybe not her.

She introduces herself and it sounds like 'Renzi', and she asks for cash up front. Her name on PL was Rhain46 (since deleted). I say I always pay after the sevice. She said no. I said I'd order her a Grab back to wherever. She now says half up front is OK. Another red flag. She then asks for the hotel's wifi. Strange. So she goes to the bathroom to shower. I lie on the bed waiting. She emerges in towel covering her tits. Sits on bed and gets out a rubber for CBJ. I said no, we agreed BBBJ. She says, no, no we have BBFS after. Red flag. I stupidly went along. She gave an embarrassing ooh ahh display of acting while barely touching my old fella with her lips, and then she goes to clean up- what I don't know. And takes her shoes with her, which she'd kicked off by the bed.

She comes out and commands me to have a massage, which is more pathetic than her BJ. She asks for tissues and wipes. I say the masseuse usually brings such things. I ask her when she'll take of her towel. 'Later. So I massage you. ' I ask her if she does this (massage) every time. She says it's her first time with a non-Chinese. There then follows a comical exchange when she asks about my nationality. She can't understand the English / England difference. I say American nationality. America country. Ahh, you're American! ' 'No, I'm English' Christ! I give up on her trying to explain her nationality.

She 's in the bathroom and I hear running water for quite a while. The room was a King room at Rothman Hotel. If you don't know, these rooms have an small entrance room with a dining area and a fridge. Then there's a door to the bedroom. While I'm lying on the bed waiting and flipping the channels I get curious. The water is still running. I get up to see what's happening and see her in the dining area creeping toward the main door STILL IN HER TOWEL. She suddenly realises I'm behind her and pretends that she 's looking for the hot water switch for the shower. In the bathroom the shower isn't on but the tap is gushing cold water into the recessed shower area. I say the tap is on cold setting. The following is what she was setting up in the bathroom, I imagine.

Then she says 'how about the other two thousand?' I say 'How about the sex you promised?' She says 'you chatted with my boss, not me. I work into company', 'What do you mean?, ' I mean the one who charge is my boss not me. I'm only the worker. You call me now'. Mistake. So I call her on whatsapp. Then my phone rings from her 'boss' whom she passed my number to. I reject all his serial calling. I tell her I record everything on audio (which I do) and show her the app. (This is mainly for this kind of eventuality occurring.).

I say 'let's go to reception and call the police. ' (this is a half-bluff by me). Then her boss rings her and they speak in tagalog maybe (on speaker phone (I wish I could get it translated somehow.). Then he calls me again. She says ' you won't hurt me. If you hurt me, you'll pay Allah, I swear. ' Now I'm scared. Her boss says 'Sir, she works for me blah bla. ' I hang up. I say again let's go down to reception. Her boss tries calling me again and she's typing away. Now she realises I might be serious. 'Sir, I'm going to leave now, is it OK? I already paid' (she means 'you' here).

At this point, I try to sneak a photo of her but she notices and I delete the tits-still-out pic from my phone. Then she asks why I record her. I say for my safety. ' Then she puts her shoes on and her tits in and makes for the main door with me behind her. She asks where I'm going. I say down with her. Now she objects and blocks the way. 'Where are you going?' she asks, 'Are you coming to my home?' (No, I say I'm going to reception. She asks why. As I don't want to touch her, I bluff and say byebye and close the door behind her. After a moment, I leave and take the stairs while she's waiting for the lift, speaking with her 'boss'. We get to the lobby at same time. She waits for her ID card and I follow her into street to see where she goes. She walks thirty metres to meet with some other pros. I take a couple of photos from a distance.

Fortunately my following days were spent with girls just trying to get by and who had regular jobs.

Another thing: a couple of the subsequent girls I booked were practically flat-chested yet their selfies showed the usual padded bras suggesting a couple of acceptable bumps if not quite double DS. How to get this details out of online girls without asking for a tits-out selfie?

Thoughts on the above catastrophe and the tits problem welcome.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3028113]I doth step in. I'm trying to recall any decent Manila hotel with hookers specifically hanging around in the lobby or bar. Your hotel is generally where you bring a girl in, from the outside. Others weigh in.[/QUOTE]There were definitely unaccompanied nieces hanging out in the lobby at City Garden Grand. Some were there for at least the 10 minutes I took to have a cig and grab something to drink across the street. Some fairly scandalous outfits, but most just looked dressed up but were working (is it bad when you can now spot a working girl pretty much 99%.

It's a small lobby, so I really don't think approaching is cool tbh. I smiled at one I though was super hot and she kind of reciprocated, but it's just an awkward packed lobby a lot of times. Maybe you'll get lucky and meet one in the elevator, the only plus about all the smoking in Jakarta is picking up girls outside the hotel since 100% of working girls smoke LOL, doesn't work in Manila. I was approached by an older (early 50's) but pretty fit lady outside while having a smoke and she asked me if I was going to the roof later and wanted to chat. It wasn't in a she wants to be friends way, she was selling, I was busy with a niece coming in a few minutes, so I didn't get the score.

That said, if you want to watch some eye candy and just chill out, hang out in the lobby for 30 minutes in the early evening.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3028150]After a couple of weeks of planning and filtering possible girls on Pina Love, my first meeting was a disaster, though quite amusing in hindsight.[/QUOTE]Good initial report, even with the bad experience. Clearly a ripoff event in the making. I'm a bit confused: You met on PL, yet she claimed that it was her 'boss' you were chatting with on PL? Sounds like an escort girl. Also its quite possibly a ladyboy (can be very aggressive).

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3028150]Another thing: a couple of the subsequent girls I booked were practically flat-chested yet their selfies showed the usual padded bras suggesting a couple of acceptable bumps if not quite double DS. How to get this details out of online girls without asking for a tits-out selfie?[/QUOTE]Asian girls, obviously less chesty (except Thai maybe). For all online talent, video call is necessary to sus out info before inviting them to your place.

Also, your route of using the online method of meeting girls, in place of gogo bars or FL places (where you can better see the scantily-clad critters, and possibly feel them up), means you can't pre-sus out belly flab, stretch marks, flabby be**bage, etc. Even if she looks great in her clothing when she arrives, once you've agreed to an amount, you need to pay her even if you don't like the view once her kit comes off. I am hoping that you got into at least 1 gogo bar and also LA Cafe for a viewing.

Thanks for the detailed report. I am just curios if you were going to pay 5 k and getting something online (PL), why didn't you try manila courtesans, they have plenty of options for 5 k?

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3028150]After a couple of weeks of planning and filtering possible girls on Pina Love, my first meeting was a disaster, though quite amusing in hindsight.

Flight got in around 8. Pm and was in hotel at 9. 30, amazingly, considering the traffic hell from the airport to Malate. I wanted to waste no time and to meet one of the ladies I'd been chatting with. She claimed to be a 22 yr old student. We moved to whatsapp and she'd sent me some photos of her, obviously lifted from the internet: one of her 'school' (university / college) lesson in progress and even a video (of her) giving her project summary to camera. Then she sent me some of the typical demure / flirty poses they all do for insta of whatever. Not sure the school and insta girls were the same but lots of them can look very similar to me with filters and so on.

A first, possible, red flag should have been her liberal use of 'babe' in her interactions. I asked for everything in BBFS and A and she just agreed to all, for 5000 pesos. As I gave her the address and room number, she asked for a photo of the keycard and room number and of yours truly, to see what I was wearing, neck down, of course. I asked how long she'd be and said 20-30 mins. Fifty minutes later she sends a photo of the road from inside a car.

Arrives finally. Very pretty, but I should have compared her face with those pics she'd sent. In retrospect, maybe not her.

She introduces herself and it sounds like 'Renzi', and she asks for cash up front. Her name on PL was Rhain46 (since deleted). I say I always pay after the sevice. She said no. I said I'd order her a Grab back to wherever. She now says half up front is OK. Another red flag. She then asks for the hotel's wifi. Strange. So she goes to the bathroom to shower. I lie on the bed waiting. She emerges in towel covering her tits. Sits on bed and gets out a rubber for CBJ. I said no, we agreed BBBJ. She says, no, no we have BBFS after. Red flag. I stupidly went along. She gave an embarrassing ooh ahh display of acting while barely touching my old fella with her lips, and then she goes to clean up- what I don't know. And takes her shoes with her, which she'd kicked off by the bed.

She comes out and commands me to have a massage, which is more pathetic than her BJ. She asks for tissues and wipes. I say the masseuse usually brings such things. I ask her when she'll take of her towel. 'Later. So I massage you. ' I ask her if she does this (massage) every time. She says it's her first time with a non-Chinese. There then follows a comical exchange when she asks about my nationality. She can't understand the English / England difference. I say American nationality. America country. Ahh, you're American! ' 'No, I'm English' Christ! I give up on her trying to explain her nationality.

She 's in the bathroom and I hear running water for quite a while. The room was a King room at Rothman Hotel. If you don't know, these rooms have an small entrance room with a dining area and a fridge. Then there's a door to the bedroom. While I'm lying on the bed waiting and flipping the channels I get curious. The water is still running. I get up to see what's happening and see her in the dining area creeping toward the main door STILL IN HER TOWEL. She suddenly realises I'm behind her and pretends that she 's looking for the hot water switch for the shower. In the bathroom the shower isn't on but the tap is gushing cold water into the recessed shower area. I say the tap is on cold setting. The following is what she was setting up in the bathroom, I imagine.

Then she says 'how about the other two thousand?' I say 'How about the sex you promised?' She says 'you chatted with my boss, not me. I work into company', 'What do you mean?, ' I mean the one who charge is my boss not me. I'm only the worker. You call me now'. Mistake. So I call her on whatsapp. Then my phone rings from her 'boss' whom she passed my number to. I reject all his serial calling. I tell her I record everything on audio (which I do) and show her the app. (This is mainly for this kind of eventuality occurring.).

I say 'let's go to reception and call the police. ' (this is a half-bluff by me). Then her boss rings her and they speak in tagalog maybe (on speaker phone (I wish I could get it translated somehow.). Then he calls me again. She says ' you won't hurt me. If you hurt me, you'll pay Allah, I swear. ' Now I'm scared. Her boss says 'Sir, she works for me blah bla. ' I hang up. I say again let's go down to reception. Her boss tries calling me again and she's typing away. Now she realises I might be serious. 'Sir, I'm going to leave now, is it OK? I already paid' (she means 'you' here).

At this point, I try to sneak a photo of her but she notices and I delete the tits-still-out pic from my phone. Then she asks why I record her. I say for my safety. ' Then she puts her shoes on and her tits in and makes for the main door with me behind her. She asks where I'm going. I say down with her. Now she objects and blocks the way. 'Where are you going?' she asks, 'Are you coming to my home?' (No, I say I'm going to reception. She asks why. As I don't want to touch her, I bluff and say byebye and close the door behind her. After a moment, I leave and take the stairs while she's waiting for the lift, speaking with her 'boss'. We get to the lobby at same time. She waits for her ID card and I follow her into street to see where she goes. She walks thirty metres to meet with some other pros. I take a couple of photos from a distance.

Fortunately my following days were spent with girls just trying to get by and who had regular jobs.

Another thing: a couple of the subsequent girls I booked were practically flat-chested yet their selfies showed the usual padded bras suggesting a couple of acceptable bumps if not quite double DS. How to get this details out of online girls without asking for a tits-out selfie?

Thoughts on the above catastrophe and the tits problem welcome.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3028150]After a couple of weeks of planning and filtering possible girls on Pina Love, my first meeting was a disaster, though quite amusing in hindsight.

Flight got in around 8. Pm and was in hotel at 9. 30, amazingly, considering the traffic hell from the airport to Malate. I wanted to waste no time and to meet one of the ladies I'd been chatting with. She claimed to be a 22 yr old student. We moved to whatsapp and she'd sent me some photos of her, obviously lifted from the internet: one of her 'school' (university / college) lesson in progress and even a video (of her) giving her project summary to camera. Then she sent me some of the typical demure / flirty poses they all do for insta of whatever. Not sure the school and insta girls were the same but lots of them can look very similar to me with filters and so on.

A first, possible, red flag should have been her liberal use of 'babe' in her interactions. I asked for everything in BBFS and A and she just agreed to all, for 5000 pesos. As I gave her the address and room number, she asked for a photo of the keycard and room number and of yours truly, to see what I was wearing, neck down, of course. I asked how long she'd be and said 20-30 mins. Fifty minutes later she sends a photo of the road from inside a car.

Arrives finally. Very pretty, but I should have compared her face with those pics she'd sent. In retrospect, maybe not her.

She introduces herself and it sounds like 'Renzi', and she asks for cash up front. Her name on PL was Rhain46 (since deleted). I say I always pay after the sevice. She said no. I said I'd order her a Grab back to wherever. She now says half up front is OK. Another red flag. She then asks for the hotel's wifi. Strange. So she goes to the bathroom to shower. I lie on the bed waiting. She emerges in towel covering her tits. Sits on bed and gets out a rubber for CBJ. I said no, we agreed BBBJ. She says, no, no we have BBFS after. Red flag. I stupidly went along. She gave an embarrassing ooh ahh display of acting while barely touching my old fella with her lips, and then she goes to clean up- what I don't know. And takes her shoes with her, which she'd kicked off by the bed.

She comes out and commands me to have a massage, which is more pathetic than her BJ. She asks for tissues and wipes. I say the masseuse usually brings such things. I ask her when she'll take of her towel. 'Later. So I massage you. ' I ask her if she does this (massage) every time. She says it's her first time with a non-Chinese. There then follows a comical exchange when she asks about my nationality. She can't understand the English / England difference. I say American nationality. America country. Ahh, you're American! ' 'No, I'm English' Christ! I give up on her trying to explain her nationality.

She 's in the bathroom and I hear running water for quite a while. The room was a King room at Rothman Hotel. If you don't know, these rooms have an small entrance room with a dining area and a fridge. Then there's a door to the bedroom. While I'm lying on the bed waiting and flipping the channels I get curious. The water is still running. I get up to see what's happening and see her in the dining area creeping toward the main door STILL IN HER TOWEL. She suddenly realises I'm behind her and pretends that she 's looking for the hot water switch for the shower. In the bathroom the shower isn't on but the tap is gushing cold water into the recessed shower area. I say the tap is on cold setting. The following is what she was setting up in the bathroom, I imagine.

Then she says 'how about the other two thousand?' I say 'How about the sex you promised?' She says 'you chatted with my boss, not me. I work into company', 'What do you mean?, ' I mean the one who charge is my boss not me. I'm only the worker. You call me now'. Mistake. So I call her on whatsapp. Then my phone rings from her 'boss' whom she passed my number to. I reject all his serial calling. I tell her I record everything on audio (which I do) and show her the app. (This is mainly for this kind of eventuality occurring.).

I say 'let's go to reception and call the police. ' (this is a half-bluff by me). Then her boss rings her and they speak in tagalog maybe (on speaker phone (I wish I could get it translated somehow.). Then he calls me again. She says ' you won't hurt me. If you hurt me, you'll pay Allah, I swear. ' Now I'm scared. Her boss says 'Sir, she works for me blah bla. ' I hang up. I say again let's go down to reception. Her boss tries calling me again and she's typing away. Now she realises I might be serious. 'Sir, I'm going to leave now, is it OK? I already paid' (she means 'you' here).

At this point, I try to sneak a photo of her but she notices and I delete the tits-still-out pic from my phone. Then she asks why I record her. I say for my safety. ' Then she puts her shoes on and her tits in and makes for the main door with me behind her. She asks where I'm going. I say down with her. Now she objects and blocks the way. 'Where are you going?' she asks, 'Are you coming to my home?' (No, I say I'm going to reception. She asks why. As I don't want to touch her, I bluff and say byebye and close the door behind her. After a moment, I leave and take the stairs while she's waiting for the lift, speaking with her 'boss'. We get to the lobby at same time. She waits for her ID card and I follow her into street to see where she goes. She walks thirty metres to meet with some other pros. I take a couple of photos from a distance.

Fortunately my following days were spent with girls just trying to get by and who had regular jobs.

Another thing: a couple of the subsequent girls I booked were practically flat-chested yet their selfies showed the usual padded bras suggesting a couple of acceptable bumps if not quite double DS. How to get this details out of online girls without asking for a tits-out selfie?

Thoughts on the above catastrophe and the tits problem welcome.[/QUOTE]Did you check to see if she had a pussy? maybe you got blown by a guy.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3028150]After a couple of weeks of planning and filtering possible girls on Pina Love, my first meeting was a disaster, though quite amusing in hindsight.

Flight got in around 8. Pm and was in hotel at 9. 30, amazingly, considering the traffic hell from the airport to Malate. I wanted to waste no time and to meet one of the ladies I'd been chatting with. She claimed to be a 22 yr old student. We moved to whatsapp and she'd sent me some photos of her, obviously lifted from the internet: one of her 'school' (university / college) lesson in progress and even a video (of her) giving her project summary to camera. Then she sent me some of the typical demure / flirty poses they all do for insta of whatever. Not sure the school and insta girls were the same but lots of them can look very similar to me with filters and so on.

A first, possible, red flag should have been her liberal use of 'babe' in her interactions. I asked for everything in BBFS and A and she just agreed to all, for 5000 pesos. As I gave her the address and room number, she asked for a photo of the keycard and room number and of yours truly, to see what I was wearing, neck down, of course. I asked how long she'd be and said 20-30 mins. Fifty minutes later she sends a photo of the road from inside a car.

Arrives finally. Very pretty, but I should have compared her face with those pics she'd sent. In retrospect, maybe not her.

She introduces herself and it sounds like 'Renzi', and she asks for cash up front. Her name on PL was Rhain46 (since deleted). I say I always pay after the sevice. She said no. I said I'd order her a Grab back to wherever. She now says half up front is OK. Another red flag. She then asks for the hotel's wifi. Strange. So she goes to the bathroom to shower. I lie on the bed waiting. She emerges in towel covering her tits. Sits on bed and gets out a rubber for CBJ. I said no, we agreed BBBJ. She says, no, no we have BBFS after. Red flag. I stupidly went along. She gave an embarrassing ooh ahh display of acting while barely touching my old fella with her lips, and then she goes to clean up- what I don't know. And takes her shoes with her, which she'd kicked off by the bed..[/QUOTE]A perfect example of why I do not do online meets. Too risky and you never know what might show up. Get out of your room hit some bars or the mall, much safer and you see what your getting plus some chit chat which can tell you allot.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3028191]Did you check to see if she had a pussy? maybe you got blown by a guy.[/QUOTE]You're right for sure.
I can't believe I read his post and overlooked this! IT ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE NOW, it does read exactly like he was blown by a trans. That's how they roll, I've read multiple stories. Real filipina girls usually like to get banged, I've never once in my life - 100's. Had one who prefered to do a BJ to completion rather than just taking some D.

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3027992]Thanks for the insights Comrade. Much appreciated.

If I could get another piece of advice, would it be better to stay in Manila Bay area (Sheraton for example)? I've been a Marriott Bonvoy guest and hence get better deals at their properties.

Cheers!

Oxygen.[/QUOTE]I've stayed at the sheraton in Manila bay and didn't like it or the area one bit. My colleague also had some $$ stolen from his room when he carelessly left the safe open and then the hotel falsely accused him of having women in his room who may have stolen it. I generally don't like that area much because there isn't anything when you step out. Makati is bustling.

I prefer the shang in makati now. It is also another tired hotel, but a bit better in terms of girl friendliness and service. More expensive too. You can get a large suite in dusit real cheap.

The next level in terms of expense are fairmont, Raffles etc which are in the vicinity. Haven't tried them though. Happy with the Shang for the last few trips. Was there in June, back in November.

LOL! I read through the report but didn't catch main point that you highlighted. Yes, certainly seems like trans / lady boy. We all make mistakes, I did connect online on FB with someone in Manila and had arranged for a meetup but was able to find out sooner before the meetup that she was he.

Is it rude to ask online if they are lady boy or trans? Will the girl / women gets offended?

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3028191]Did you check to see if she had a pussy? maybe you got blown by a guy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yendappu;3028211]LOL! I read through the report but didn't catch main point that you highlighted. Yes, certainly seems like trans / lady boy. We all make mistakes, I did connect online on FB with someone in Manila and had arranged for a meetup but was able to find out sooner before the meetup that she was he.

Is it rude to ask online if they are lady boy or trans? Will the girl / women gets offended?[/QUOTE]I would say that it's not only acceptable, but probably necessary if you are not 100% certain using the PL app. You don't need to be a dick about it (pun intended), just ask politely to confirm. The working girls are used to getting asked, and generally will only appear to be offended if they are a LB. If you ask and are still not sure, you might ask for a video chat, as well as clearly telling "her" that you will pay zero if she is lying.

If "she" is still being vague or appears deceptive, just decline and move on. There are dozens of others within 15-30 minutes ride from your hotel. And dozens more within 1-2 hours.

Next, always arrange to meet in the lobby, or in front of the hotel. Do not send your room number. Wait until you meet her face-to-face. If you get LB vibes, just hand her trike cost (100 php) and send "her" away.

Pro tip: Tip the hotel security guard who checks visitor ID's to watch your back and flag any visitor who is a LB or underage. A 1,000 PHP tip (less than $20 US) will protect you throughout your stay at that hotel.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;3028229]I would say that it's not only acceptable, but probably necessary if you are not 100% certain using the PL app. You don't need to be a dick about it (pun intended), just ask politely to confirm.[/QUOTE]Most understand when you phrase it as 'sorry but there are many ladyboys online' rather than 'you look like a guy'.

I'd agree that the professional girls have been asked so many times it's of no consequence.

As always, if you have too many questions, just move on to someone who you don't have any doubts over.

G.

Not so sure. But I could be wrong. The distance photos are far from definitive.

I had a quick look in LA Cafe. Some nice ladies. Didn't bar fine any.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3028339]Not so sure. But I could be wrong. The distance photos are far from definitive.

I had a quick look in LA Cafe. Some nice ladies. Didn't bar fine any.[/QUOTE]Difficult to tell the ladyboy issue from the distance. When she said you were talking to her 'boss', and you met her on PL, what was she talking about? It sounds like an escort, and you contacted her thru the escort agency (talking to the agency first).

LA Cafe does not have barfines. The girls don't work for the bar, they are freelancing and work only for themselves. She keeps all the money that you negotiate and pay. The bar is just a hookup place; they make money from drinks, food, etc. Gogo bars (Burgos St Makati, and AC) have a barfine (a fee paid to the bar for the privilege of taking out a girl). Glad you made the rounds.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3028339]Not so sure. But I could be wrong. The distance photos are far from definitive.[/QUOTE]Sorry to say, but most assuredly packing a dick. The scam you describe below is run by ladyboy gangs in Makati. I experienced this once. They offer you the world of services on chat, get into your room, demand payment up front and then switch to "it was just a massage you wanted" mode. That's why "she" got all panicky when you said you would call police from the front desk. The "boss" is there to make empty threats, but understandable to get flustered. Best you got out of it unscathed. AR.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3028350]Difficult to tell the ladyboy issue from the distance. When she said you were talking to her 'boss', and you met her on PL, what was she talking about? It sounds like an escort, and you contacted her thru the escort agency (talking to the agency first).

LA Cafe does not have barfines. The girls don't work for the bar, they are freelancing and work only for themselves. She keeps all the money that you negotiate and pay. The bar is just a hookup place; they make money from drinks, food, etc. Gogo bars (Burgos St Makati, and AC) have a barfine (a fee paid to the bar for the privilege of taking out a girl). Glad you made the rounds.[/QUOTE]I found her on PL and we quickly moved to whatsapp where the price and service was discussed. When things got heated in the room, she gave her boss my number and he called me then.

My bad about the LA Bar then. I've dabbled in barfines in BKK. Not my preferred scene if I'm honest though I can see the obvious advantages of see the girls in the flesh. A video call is something I'll bear (bare!) in mind in future, too. And the pre-meet in a neutral space such as in street or in lobby.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3028352]Sorry to say, but most assuredly packing a dick. The scam you describe below is run by ladyboy gangs in Makati. I experienced this once. They offer you the world of services on chat, get into your room, demand payment up front and then switch to "it was just a massage you wanted" mode. That's why "she" got all panicky when you said you would call police from the front desk. The "boss" is there to make empty threats, but understandable to get flustered. Best you got out of it unscathed. AR.[/QUOTE]Impossible to tell such detail from the photos. You could be right about LB though. I was staying in Malate. I suppose 'have dick, will travel. '.

Some fellas give flowers. Or chocolates.

Manila college girl needs to fix her school fees. Sweetie, how much are the fees, all inclusive? "Its x1900 pesos. Lahat". Ohhhh no! That's p400 more than your usual prize. "What I'm going to do Westy. Need to pay them fees tomorrow is the last". Probably better if you hadn't waited until today to spring tomorrow's emergency on me, but I'm sure we can find *something* additional for you to do around here for me. "Yes? What's it"?

80-lb cutie in a school-girl uni veers (backwards) into dark territory. Sometimes its the girl who gives the chocolates.

Them school fees roll around several times a semester. 'Tis good that she came to Dr. Westy first.

I love a nice anal push inside a thin little Asian girl and make that cum flow out. Need help from mongers to make it reality. Can help in India.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3028352]Sorry to say, but most assuredly packing a dick. The scam you describe below is run by ladyboy gangs in Makati. I experienced this once. They offer you the world of services on chat, get into your room, demand payment up front and then switch to "it was just a massage you wanted" mode. That's why "she" got all panicky when you said you would call police from the front desk. The "boss" is there to make empty threats, but understandable to get flustered. Best you got out of it unscathed. AR.[/QUOTE]Generally, Pinays are not fans of anal, at least until they are certain your hog won't tear them up.

So when "she" offers anal early in the chat, that's a red flag "she" has a. Flagpole of her own.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;3028408]Generally, Pinays are not fans of anal, at least until they are certain your hog won't tear them up.

So when "she" offers anal early in the chat, that's a red flag "she" has a. Flagpole of her own.[/QUOTE]I'd agree that if it's too good to be true, then it's at best a scam and at worst, packing its own sausage. Immediate agreement, low prices, down for everything. None of them are good signs from some one you just met ten seconds ago.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3028358]Some fellas give flowers. Or chocolates.

Manila college girl needs to fix her school fees. Sweetie, how much are the fees, all inclusive? "Its x1900 pesos. Lahat". Ohhhh no! That's p400 more than your usual prize. "What I'm going to do Westy. Need to pay them fees tomorrow is the last". Probably better if you hadn't waited until today to spring tomorrow's emergency on me, but I'm sure we can find *something* additional for you to do around here for me. "Yes? What's it"?

80-lb cutie in a school-girl uni veers (backwards) into dark territory. Sometimes its the girl who gives the chocolates.

Them school fees roll around several times a semester. 'Tis good that she came to Dr. Westy first.[/QUOTE]One trip, I made the 'mistake' of arriving a week before exam season. I think it was into Cebu. Talk about being flooded with offers.

The weeks before city girls go home for Holy Week can be another good option.

Enjoy G.

TIA fellow mongers, I'm currently in Japan for 20 days, but I've contemplated hopping over to Manila for a a short stay of 3 days to sate my pinay cravings. Would arrival in the afternoon on day 1 and departing late evening day 3 provide enough time? I'm planning to book I'm hotel in Makati for the short stay. Would welcome any advice. I plan to at least book a time from one of the online services.

Landed at T3 recently. Went outside looking for a yellow taxi and didn't see any. Asked one of the expensive 'coupon' taxi touts and he said: "They are off airport now sir". I see, and where would that be? "I don't know". I found a security guard and asked, and got the same answer. I didn't see any regular white taxis and asked the guard where they were (thinking there was a line of passengers waiting somewhere for the next inbound white taxi): "Yellow and white is off airport sir. No more. You get a grab. Go that way". He pointed towards Bay 13-14. As I walked that direction, there were oodles of large Grab displays, with arrows pointing the way. Made my way inside, then to an inside parking garage. Dozens of Grab taxis picking up, a hundred people waiting, and a booth to book one for you. There was a line at the booth so I walked back outside and was accosted by a coupon tout. I asked how much for a ride in her van to Knightsbridge. "Makati? 440 pesos sir". Wow, so cheap. "Yes like taxis before". Previously typically 1200-1500. I grabbed a coupon and jumped in. Nice driver and pleasant chat on the ride. He explained that the coupon taxis lowered their prices when the white and yellow taxis were banished. Handed him p500 after the ride and everyone was happy.

The yellow taxis replacing the white taxis were supposed to eliminate some of the driver scams, and I think they did. The coupon vans replacing all the taxis, especially with lowered reasonable prices, with the price known in advance, might have accomplished it.

Possibly I missed the discussion on the board here previously, but there are no more white or yellow taxis at T3. Grab and coupon taxi's have the market. Is it like that at T1-2-3?

I'm glad they are gone, I wish the same for many airports, fucking scammers. I even been quoted 1 k between terminals, it depends how desperate you are, they smell that even if you're not showing it.

The worst scam I witnessed many years ago was in Panama City airport in Panama of course, actually it's pure robbery not really a scam, I read about it, and I saw it happened in front of my eyes to some unlucky family: the driver opens the trunk without stepping out, you put the luggage in, you close the trunk and he takes off with your belongings, and you're left "butt naked" looking for police, or help or whatever. I seen so many stupid things happening in my life, from robberies, to dropping the bag in water, or leaving it behind, or being stolen by monkeys or raccoons, and therefore my passport and my cards and money always stays on my body. Cannot even imagine being left butt naked in a foreign country as soon as you arrive.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3028531]The yellow taxis replacing the white taxis were supposed to eliminate some of the driver scams, and I think they did. The coupon vans replacing all the taxis, especially with lowered reasonable prices, with the price known in advance, might have accomplished it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3028547]I'm glad they are gone, I wish the same for many airports, fucking scammers. I even been quoted 1 k between terminals, it depends how desperate you are, they smell that even if you're not showing it.[/QUOTE]While my mind agrees its a good idea to get rid of scammer taxi drivers, I confess that the number of times a white taxi driver attempted any kind of scam, vs the other white taxis that just took me somewhere and asked the meter amount, was fairly small. The yellow taxi drivers I don't recall attempting anything.

That said, while I think overall the cheaper and up-front cost amount of the current coupon taxis is a better system, I found myself so accustomed to finding regular white and yellow taxis in the past 20 years that I kept walking around trying to locate them. Possibly a Freudian holdover of: The devil you know is better than the devil you don't?

[QUOTE=Goferring;3027326]Most girls state publically that they want a serious relationship but are still open to hook ups in private. I think that many try to get their foot in the door then try to change the guy's mind. Many are concerned about impressions should friends or family see their profile.

Most of the time it's best to remain respectful. I typically say that I'm not looking for a relationship but it's always good to meet new friends. Avoid a straight cash for gash offer unless she is clearly on the game. Maybe even include a introductory meal. It doesn't have to be fancy but many will be reluctant to meet straight away in your room. You could even tie in your birthday, saying that you don't want to celebrate alone. Don't be surprised if a more mature lady offers to cook for you.

I always get better results when I make contact while in town in my hotel, not at home intending to arrive next month.

Good luck. G.[/QUOTE]Yeah, sounds about right. Most of the ones that mention they are serious and looking for husband, are agreeable to my offer. Which is usually show me around as a guide, I pay for all your meals and you come back to my hotel for the night and have sex. I tell them to wear something slutty because I like to be seen with a hot girl, I. E. No bra, short skirt or shorts, tank tops, and all in for 4000-5000 PHP. Was surprised at how many agreed to it. LOL. Even the ones that swear they are "god fearing" will agree to the terms.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3028556]While my mind agrees its a good idea to get rid of scammer taxi drivers, I confess that the number of times a white taxi driver attempted any kind of scam, vs the other white taxis that just took me somewhere and asked the meter amount, was fairly small. The yellow taxi drivers I don't recall attempting anything.

That said, while I think overall the cheaper and up-front cost amount of the current coupon taxis is a better system, I found myself so accustomed to finding regular white and yellow taxis in the past 20 years that I kept walking around trying to locate them. Possibly a Freudian holdover of: The devil you know is better than the devil you don't?[/QUOTE]Next to the Grab taxis is a booth for Super Taxis. Taxis are Blue color. No waiting they give you the price up front. Your driver is right there and walks you to the taxi and off you go. I went from there to Seda Hotel in BGC and the rate was 510.

[QUOTE=AngmoLover;3028560]I tell them to wear something slutty because I like to be seen with a hot girl, I. E. No bra, short skirt or shorts, tank tops, and all in for 4000-5000 PHP. Was surprised at how many agreed to it. LOL. Even the ones that swear they are "god fearing" will agree to the terms.[/QUOTE]Have had to photoshop out a religious cross from the neck of pretty much every girl posted. From hardcore sharks, to gogo girls, to innocent newb province girls. Bless them all. Always wonder what they say in the confessional booth.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3028565]Next to the Grab taxis is a booth for Super Taxis. Taxis are Blue color. No waiting they give you the price up front. Your driver is right there and walks you to the taxi and off you go. I went from there to Seda Hotel in BGC and the rate was 510.[/QUOTE]They are not always available either. On my last trip I stopped to ask and was told 30 minute wait for the next taxi.

[QUOTE=DarkSiderz714;3028503]TIA fellow mongers, I'm currently in Japan for 20 days, but I've contemplated hopping over to Manila for a a short stay of 3 days to sate my pinay cravings. Would arrival in the afternoon on day 1 and departing late evening day 3 provide enough time? I'm planning to book I'm hotel in Makati for the short stay. Would welcome any advice. I plan to at least book a time from one of the online services.[/QUOTE]Book a room at the Makati Palace on P. Burgos St. It's right in the middle of the action. No need to book someone from an online service. Just walk out of the hotel to P. Burgos and then turn left or right and enter a bar. Then pick a girl, buy her a drink to chat her up and see if she's all that. Make sure to ask about the bar fine AND her additional service fee. And make sure she will provide every service you want back in the room. If you like her and she likes you, pay the bar fine and your drink tab and head back to the hotel. Bang your brains out, pay her the service fee and a small tip (100-300 php) and send her on her way.

If you feel like more, wash rinse and repeat. I'd recommend skipping Freelancers on the street or on the PinayLove App this time to avoid dealing with a possible Ladyboy. Save that for your next visit.

Return to Japan a wiser, if a bit poorer, man.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3028570]Have had to photoshop out a religious cross from the neck of pretty much every girl posted. From hardcore sharks, to gogo girls, to innocent newb province girls. Bless them all. Always wonder what they say in the confessional booth.[/QUOTE]Numerous girls have suggested to me that Sunday afternoon, straight after Morning Mass, is the best time for a fuck fest.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;3028627]I'd recommend skipping .... PinayLove App this time....[/QUOTE]Normally I'd agree given Dark Side's short stay. However, online in Makati really is shooting fish in a barrel. If he feels an itch developing one afternoon or even morning, before bars open, I wouldn't hesitate to jump online.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3028671]Normally I'd agree given Dark Side's short stay. However, online in Makati really is shooting fish in a barrel. If he feels an itch developing one afternoon or even morning, before bars open, I wouldn't hesitate to jump online.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by " online in Makati really is shooting fish in a barrel?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3028690]What do you mean by " online in Makati really is shooting fish in a barrel?[/QUOTE]He means there are plenty of cuties to be had from online sources. Tinder, FB, dating websites. Not to mention escort sites. This provides easy and fast access to girls. Once your boots are on the ground, and it should be easy to get a honey to your place relatively quickly. However DO read Miss MaryHinge' recent bad experience (and the fellas replies) from a dating website (there are positives and negatives to this online approach). Manila thread, post #21113:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1007-Manila&p=3028150&viewfull=1#post3028150[/URL]

Maison scammed the shit out of me LOL. Not too mad because the experience was crazy and 5 women trading off sucking your dick and licking nipples won't come cheap, but I highly suggest when you sign the receipts they bring over to number them. Rookie mistake for me.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3028690]What do you mean by " online in Makati really is shooting fish in a barrel?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3028706]He means there are plenty of cuties to be had from online sources...[/QUOTE][URL]https://youtu.be/63Y5XjlO4vk?si=DONhK9I4yME78Yin[/URL]

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3028724][URL]https://youtu.be/63Y5XjlO4vk?si=DONhK9I4yME78Yin[/URL]

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Hilarious.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3028724][URL]https://youtu.be/63Y5XjlO4vk?si=DONhK9I4yME78Yin[/URL].[/QUOTE]I didn't mean explain the idiom. I'm a native English speaker. My handle here is AmericanPi ffs.

I just didn't understand what was meant by online in Makati is shooting fish in a barrel. Makati is a place. Online is digital. I wasn't sure what poster was saying there. How is online in Makati an easy play and what does that even mean?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3028784]How is online in Makati an easy play and what does that even mean?[/QUOTE]It means that you can score easily online if you have some cash to splash. From previous reports, p3000-5000 should get a cutie to your hotel / condo. There are a few pitfalls to watch for, especially ladyboy. Get in there, rearrange some guts, and write us up a descriptive field report.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3028784]I didn't mean explain the idiom. I'm a native English speaker. My handle here is AmericanPi ffs.[/QUOTE]I'm sure there's a joke here somewhere about the American education system. You may be aware that the AMA recently recommended that patient information be written at a 6th grade level bcs the average recipient only has the reading comprehension of a 8th grader. 😁.

[URL]https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4139691/[/URL]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3028784]I just didn't understand what was meant by online in Makati is shooting fish in a barrel. [/QUOTE]See above. It's a pretty simple sentence. 😁.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3028784]Makati is a place. [/QUOTE]Correct. Makati is a area in Manila, popular with foreigners. In the context of this site, it has many different mongering options and places to stay that are totally accepting of our hobby.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3028784]Online is digital. [/QUOTE]Again, in the context of this site, 'online' generally refers to the use of Personal or Hook-up web sites. Pina Love, Tinder, Date in Asia are popular examples.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3028784]I wasn't sure what poster was saying there. How is online in Makati an easy play and what does that even mean?[/QUOTE]West Coast summed up what I meant and your comment is also accurate: Online in Makati is an easy play. This means that if a punter is in Makati, logs onto any of the better online matchmaking sites, he will be met with many girls, a lot of whom will be happy to come over for paid fun. I also made the comment that this can also be of use outside of the typical late night hours that the GoGo bars operate.

All jokes aside, going online in Makati can be very easy and productive. Far more so than in other areas where it can take time to find and hook up with girls. In Makati, girls are often available, and want to come over, now. Not after a week's chatting. Not after work on Friday. Not after a meal with a security blanket friend. Now.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3028710]Maison scammed the shit out of me LOL. Not too mad because the experience was crazy and 5 women trading off sucking your dick and licking nipples won't come cheap, but I highly suggest when you sign the receipts they bring over to number them. Rookie mistake for me.[/QUOTE]It's a particularly Asian skill to be able to smile while one is being ripped off. Congrats on a good time.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3028835]All jokes aside, going online in Makati can be very easy and productive. Far more so than in other areas where it can take time to find and hook up with girls. In Makati, girls are often available, and want to come over, now. Not after a week's chatting. Not after work on Friday. Not after a meal with a security blanket friend. Now.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I think my misunderstanding it's a logistical one.

When I log onto a dating site it just says I'm in Los Angeles. There is no geographic targeting beyond that.

Are you saying that saying you're in Makati makes it fish in a barrel? Or that there's some like geolocation on sites there where as long as you're physically in Makati there are a lot of options in the radius?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3028876]I think my misunderstanding it's a logistical one.

When I log onto a dating site it just says I'm in Los Angeles. There is no geographic targeting beyond that.

Are you saying that saying you're in Makati makes it fish in a barrel? Or that there's some like geolocation on sites there where as long as you're physically in Makati there are a lot of options in the radius?[/QUOTE]They are saying when you are in Makati, it could not be easier to find hookers, whether you walk about or look online for hookups. This has been said countless times before. If you cannot understand these repeated claims, you lack basic English comprehension skills. Don't reply.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3028876]I think my misunderstanding it's a logistical one.

When I log onto a dating site it just says I'm in Los Angeles. There is no geographic targeting beyond that.

Are you saying that saying you're in Makati makes it fish in a barrel? Or that there's some like geolocation on sites there where as long as you're physically in Makati there are a lot of options in the radius?[/QUOTE]What they are saying is that the online part of it is just like an index of what's available outside your door, it doesn't have nothing to do with online fantasies or whatever, and is not meant for people that are not already there, because it doesn't do them any good, and is the same for the hookers. You use it when you're there already, not before, not after, the index is fluent and changing constantly, it has plenty of fish and even if you blind click on any of them you'll end up hooking with one. As Mr. Enternational eloquently described it, and I reposted it: the hookers see the dating sites as an ATM and post when ready to make a withdrawal. So when you click on it, better be there, because she's waiting for your click and will be at your door shortly.

It's tempting to sample the merchandise from LA but will do you no good, because tomorrow she may not be on the list anymore, and another 500 new ones will appear, in other words look but don't engage until you're ready to open the door, In Philippines everything is happening now, no future planning exists.

Careful with the mixed in LBs and scammers.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3028876]I think my misunderstanding it's a logistical one.

When I log onto a dating site it just says I'm in Los Angeles. There is no geographic targeting beyond that.

Are you saying that saying you're in Makati makes it fish in a barrel? Or that there's some like geolocation on sites there where as long as you're physically in Makati there are a lot of options in the radius?[/QUOTE]Which app are you using? They all have the ability for you to search a nominated area eg Makati, Angeles, Lyete etc. On Tinder this may be a upgrade for a cost but it's there. The others have it included in the standard package.

It's the same for your / my location. I always turn the location permission off for the app and key it in myself. If I want to test the water for a particular area I have been known to pretend I'm in another town and see how keen the girls there are to meet.

If you want it, many apps have the ability to search 'near me'. Some like it but I prefer to customise my searches.

Yes, I've found searching when I'm physically in town, any town, much better than when I'm still home or three islands away. When I can name a hotel and nearby landmark to meet at, then girls know I'm the real deal, not just a dreamer looking for nudes.

Keep in mind that pretty girls get literally thousands of messages a day. That's no exaggeration. They have heard all the bullshit lies, promises and excuses about arriving 'next month'. Hence, they treat a guy actually in town totally differently.

The above applies to all cities and areas. The differences with Makati are that 1/ Manila is so huge that there are thousands of girls available 2/ many girls come from the provinces to study or work so don't have nosey family or friends watching over their shoulders and 3/ Manila is expensive to live in, several times what it costs to live in the village. All of these work in our favour. Hence the 'fish in a barrel' comment.

A caution about girls who are keen to chat and become more serious online while you're still at home. 99.99% of the time they are just looking for LRD simps or Sponsors and have no intention of meeting let alone fucking. Sure they will say what we want to hear, maybe even send some titty shots (that may or not even be them) but when you arrive, they disappear. This is another benefit of being in town: if they chat but can't meet today or tomorrow, then they are just fishing for a cash transfer with nothing in return.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=XorumFan;3028167]There were definitely unaccompanied nieces hanging out in the lobby at City Garden Grand. Some were there for at least the 10 minutes I took to have a cig and grab something to drink across the street. Some fairly scandalous outfits, but most just looked dressed up but were working (is it bad when you can now spot a working girl pretty much.[/QUOTE]The Grand Hyatt always has a few oldies sitting in the lobby across from the elevators and one or two in the smoking area, including a lady boy once. I have been approached multiple times with. I'm waiting for my girl friend who is meeting her boyfriend, can I come up to your room to see the view.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3028914]

It's tempting to sample the merchandise from LA but will do you no good, because tomorrow she may not be on the list anymore, and another 500 new ones will appear, in other words look but don't engage until you're ready to open the door, In Philippines everything is happening now, no future planning exists.

Good luck![/QUOTE]Remember that Pinas have zero long term memory: what ever she says while you're in LA is forgotten when you arrive if there is a better opportunity in town; any cash transferred has zero value tomorrow or when you arrive.

Have a great time while your here but don't even consider getting involved before or after your visit.

Enjoy. G.

I usually pipeline talent before I arrive in a destination.

Wow. The comments here as of late. I hear you loud and clear. I won't be setting dates a week in advance in Manila. It's probably better if I just get a range of numbers to call when I land and just plan that night, every night. It's not usually my style, but I hear you.

I wonder if Jakarta the same way? I'll be there also on the same trip.

I will, of course, be sharing everything in a post after the trip or during it.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3029021]I usually pipeline talent before I arrive in a destination.

I won't be setting dates a week in advance in Manila. It's probably better if I just get a range of numbers to call when I land and just plan that night, every night. It's not usually my style, but I hear you.[/QUOTE]Hi Pi,

For return visits, I know some guys prefer to delete all contacts due to repeated requests for cash.

However, I always keep a rotating list of contacts on WhatsApp.

They know pretty quickly that they're not going to get anything out of me if I'm not with them in person.

It's surprising how many will respond when you tell them you'll be landing this week and if they'd like to hook up again.

You basically have action lined up the moment you land.

"Nice hotel room for the night, meal provided and drinks. How does 3 k sound?

"What time I meet you Sir Phil?

Makati has been the best place for me to gain such contacts.

_ Phil.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3029021]I usually pipeline talent before I arrive in a destination.

I wonder if Jakarta the same way? I'll be there also on the same trip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3029188]Hi Pi,

For return visits, I know some guys prefer to delete all contacts due to repeated requests for cash.

However, I always keep a rotating list of contacts on WhatsApp.

They know pretty quickly that they're not going to get anything out of me if I'm not with them in person.

It's surprising how many will respond when you tell them you'll be landing this week and if they'd like to hook up again.

You basically have action lined up the moment you land.

"Nice hotel room for the night, meal provided and drinks. How does 3 k sound?

"What time I meet you Sir Phil?

Makati has been the best place for me to gain such contacts.

_ Phil.[/QUOTE]There are two problems with arriving with a pipeline of new talent: the flake rate amongst pinas is very high so late or no shows are common regardless of what she promised a month ago and; online promises mean nothing as most girls talking to guys not yet in town are trying to set up LDR or Sponsor payment scams.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2267691]That's it, I'm soooo done putting in ground work on the online hookup sites!

Last trip to Davao, I started out 4 weeks beforehand and it was an absolute nightmare..... [/QUOTE]Phil's comments are correct. It's a great plan to keep the numbers of girls that you click with for use on subsequent visits, if you intend to return. They are a known quantity and, because you are the same to them, they are very likely to drop around again. The secret is to not keep chatting or fall for every catastrophe that happens while your back home. There are guys paying girls for 50 weeks as a retainer for the two weeks that they are in country. Crazy. Personally, I have a second travel or fun phone that doesn't even get looked at when I'm back home. I only turn it on when I arrive.

You think Pinas are friendly and easy to approach?? Go to Indonesia. There is a language barrier but many will want to 'practice their English'.

Enjoy. G.

Sharing a good contact I have in Manila. Yes, pricier than your P. Burgos Street girl, but I have rarely been disappointed by the ladies. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] Ask to see the girls of Solemn Massage and ask for the VIP sex package (ya, not very discreet but you'll get the FS without the lame massage).

Price is 7500 +500 for transportation. I always go BBFS and I've never had an issue.

Girls are all very cute and young, 18 to late 20's.

Zoey. I saw her last night. This was the first girl who was so shy and so skittish that I actually stopped and asked her if she was a virgin. Later the handler told me that she's new to the business and I was one of her first customers. I had to fight to give her DATY but when I was tongue deep the juices started flowing. I moved to fuck her and she asked for a condom and I simply said no and slid inside an extremely wet and warm pussy. She lost some of her shyness as I gave her a good pounding from multiple different positions before giving her a hesitant creampie.

I've seen several of the girls. Alexa, Red, Anne, Ash, Yumi, Gwen, Nica, Jasmine, Claire, Alex (19). None were disappointing but one girl (I think Alexa) was a bit chubby. All the others were slim and petite. YMMV but I've had good success here.

I really appreciate this report and plan to call them up when I am in Manila in December. I have been really looking forward to this visit, but reading through the forum there seem to be a lot of horror / scam stories as well. I am willing to pay a bit more get a pretty girl with reliable service (I don't do BBFS, so that's not a requirement for me). I was hoping to find a clean, reliable, safe incall options, since I am hoping to avoid running into colleagues staying at the same hotel while I am mongering. But am worried about safety / scams.

Appreciate any advice. Also appreciate any recommendations on the best place to change USD to pesos.

Will upload my full report of my experiences.

[QUOTE=NvRoberto;3029204]Sharing a good contact I have in Manila. Yes, pricier than your P. Burgos Street girl, but I have rarely been disappointed by the ladies. On Telegram, reach out to at Solemnmassage21 or via mobile at +63 915 143 1270. Ask to see the girls of Solemn Massage and ask for the VIP sex package (ya, not very discreet but you'll get the FS without the lame massage).

Price is 7500 +500 for transportation. I always go BBFS and I've never had an issue.

Girls are all very cute and young, 18 to late 20's.

Zoey. I saw her last night. This was the first girl who was so shy and so skittish that I actually stopped and asked her if she was a virgin. Later the handler told me that she's new to the business and I was one of her first customers. I had to fight to give her DATY but when I was tongue deep the juices started flowing. I moved to fuck her and she asked for a condom and I simply said no and slid inside an extremely wet and warm pussy. She lost some of her shyness as I gave her a good pounding from multiple different positions before giving her a hesitant creampie.

I've seen several of the girls. Alexa, Red, Anne, Ash, Yumi, Gwen, Nica, Jasmine, Claire, Alex (19). None were disappointing but one girl (I think Alexa) was a bit chubby. All the others were slim and petite. YMMV but I've had good success here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sammi123;3029278]I was hoping to find a clean, reliable, safe incall options, since I am hoping to avoid running into colleagues staying at the same hotel while I am mongering. But am worried about safety / scams.[/QUOTE]You're really going to struggle to find incall services. Especially anything high end. Most guys and girls who can't go home rely on ST hotels of which there are many.

The only incall option I can think of is the Burgos bars with VIP rooms but if your coworkers are also visiting, then odds are high that you will cross path with them there. I wouldn't risk it.

Be aware but no need to get too paranoid to avoid scams etc. Yes they can happen but the most basic of awareness and precautions will evade 99% of them. The other 1%, just dust yourself off, chalk it up to the cost of doing business and move on to the next opportunity.

G.

[QUOTE=Sammi123;3029278]I was hoping to find a clean, reliable, safe incall options, since I am hoping to avoid running into colleagues staying at the same hotel while I am mongering.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sammi123;3029278]Also appreciate any recommendations on the best place to change USD to pesos.[/QUOTE]See map of the Burgos St area. Several money changers there. Also in Century Mall, about 2 blocks to the left of this picture, if you follow Kalayaan St to the left, past Makati Ave. Century has a money changer on the basement floor 1 (take escalator downstairs from floor 1 main mall entrance). KFX, Kabayan Foreign Exchange.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3029313]You're really going to struggle to find incall services. Especially anything high end. Most guys and girls who can't go home rely on ST hotels of which there are many.
[/QUOTE]See map for Lokal and Sogo hotels on / near Burgos, both good for short time. There are many Sogo hotels in Manila, all have ST rates I think.

This is useful info because it's hard to find places like this just searching on google for like "Manila escorts".

If anyone has any great telegram groups I'd love to hear, patronize, and do a write up. Open to DM also since I'm a paying member here.

[QUOTE=NvRoberto;3029204]Sharing a good contact I have in Manila. Yes, pricier than your P. Burgos Street girl, but I have rarely been disappointed by the ladies.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sammi123;3029278] I have been really looking forward to this visit, but reading through the forum there seem to be a lot of horror / scam stories as well. I am willing to pay a bit more get a pretty girl with reliable service. I was hoping to find a clean, reliable, safe incall options, since I am hoping to avoid running into colleagues staying at the same hotel while I am mongering. But am worried about safety / scams. Appreciate any advice. [/QUOTE]Hi Sammi,

As G and Westie have mentioned, short time hotels around the area are definitely an option to go incognito.

However, if you want the comfort of your own room, I'd recommend befriending the door guys and security at your hotel as soon as you arrive.

For a decent tip, they'll find what you want and the girls will come directly to your room.

Don't stress about scams. They happen in every country.

If a doorman or security lines you up some talent, the process is seamless.

The girl will have to have her ID submitted at reception upon arrival, and when leaving your room on her own after the fun, reception will give you a call to make sure everything's okay, before 'releasing' her.

I'm assuming you're staying in a decent hotel for this trip.

Just my experience_ Phil.

Had a ball for my 3 days in Manila. If I didn't have family at home, I would literally be living there.

Day 1:

Touched down in Manila from 5 days in Boracay and straight to Makati Diamond. Communicating on plane with a 19 yo off reddit to come through ASAP, she ubered right from classes to hotel.

Didn't look anything like her pics, much bigger and uglier, but I was invested and I figured she could handle the the so I went with it. She showered but without a rag, after DT she was so focused on me putting it in she didn't think about a condom until I started putting it on. Could have gotten free BBFS if I wanted it. Anyway I fuck then turn her around and smell a stench. Made the best out of if, forced myself to pop, talked for a bit then she sloppily sucked me until I bussed in her mouth for second pop. Gave her 2500.

Got some shake shack from Greenbelt, called it a night. Literally one of the best burgers I've ever had in my life. It was the beefiest burger patty I've ever had. The cows here haven't had all of their flavor bred out for fat and convenience. Life changing.

Day 2:

After some morning green belt shopping head to fricto. The lineup of three girls wasn't too impressive, opted for young Latina looking girl and big titted spinner. Experience was very robotic and business like, felt like they were pressuring me to come quickly LOL. No action between girls, one watched or licked nipples while the other fucked. Offered them 1000 tips to take condom off while both sucked and stroked to pop. Wouldn't do it again. 6500 for all in, then extra 2000 for the BBBJ. Spent some time after fisher mall, got some goldilocks then went back to hotel. Felt food poisoning and cold bubbling up.

Later that night stopped at Crosta, then walked to burgos. Stopped in Maison and before I knew it my dick was out with one girl sucking, one girl licking balls, girls on each nipples, girls grinding raw pussy on leg, etc. Had to leave as I was overwhelmed and stopped by neon. Was packed and no girls available, checked out some other spots then went back to Maison. Spent all night getting molested, argued for 20 minutes as they scammed me with extra receipts I never signed. I'm an extremely muscular black guy so I could have easily left and threatened bodily harm if anyone tried to stop me, but decided to take it easy.

The mamasans dragged me out to bourbon and we spent the next few hours taking shots and making out between the two of them. It was just a way to extract more money from me but one of them was the girl of my dreams so I said fuck it. Mamasans wanted 11 k, after getting scammed I told her to kick rocks. Stumbled him drunk af.

Day 3:

Spent all day shopping for kids toys at toys are us Greenbelt. Went to din Tai Fung, waited for friend to show up but they had to cancel. Cold and diarrhea got worse so I called it a night early to prepare for departure but woke up at 2 alert so I said fuck it, headed to Burgos.

After dipping into all of the small spots I settled in neon Nights again. This time it wasn't as packed and I was approached by a cute tall girl with braces. I learned from my Maison newbie issues and told all the random people who ran over for free lady drink credits to scram. Told the waitress that I would be paying for every receipt I signed immediately, and if she tried to up my lady drinks I was leaving. She got the hint.

It was fun and the women were great but they weren't nearly as freaky and engaged as Maison. They spent the night rubbing my dick, doing nipple shots and grinding. The main girl I was vibing with the most would let me rub her covered pussy and nipples until she got wet but would always pull away. Spent half as much and still feel like the experience getting scammed was more worth it LOL. Got a bottle which I should have done the entire trip as it would have saved me hundreds, but random people kept coming drinking my shit including the short people entertainers.

I found all the other smaller bars on Burgos to not be worth the effort. Their women were hideous or the vibe was off. Took a grab to elan spa at 6 am. Went in and the therapists were excited to see me but informed they didn't take card. Told me to go get cash and take out way more than the fees on the placard while giggling. Went to 7 eleven but didn't have ATM, decided I had to call it a night because had to leave at 10 and still was unpacked. So I didn't have time for a 2 hour massage.

All in all had the time of my life. Upset I didn't get to indulge in more girls due to the sickness, but I plan on coming back soon enough.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3029393]Later that night stopped at Crosta, then walked to burgos. Stopped in Maison and before I knew it my dick was out with one girl sucking, one girl licking balls, girls on each nipples, girls grinding raw pussy on leg, etc. Had to leave as I was overwhelmed and stopped by neon. Was packed and no girls available, checked out some other spots then went back to Maison. Spent all night getting molested, argued for 20 minutes as they scammed me with extra receipts I never signed. I'm an extremely muscular black guy so I could have easily left and threatened bodily harm if anyone tried to stop me, but decided to take it easy.

The mamasans dragged me out to bourbon and we spent the next few hours taking shots and making out between the two of them. It was just a way to extract more money from me but one of them was the girl of my dreams so I said fuck it. Mamasans wanted 11 k, after getting scammed I told her to kick rocks. Stumbled him drunk af.[/QUOTE]You got the newb treatment, but it worked out well anyway. Good descriptive report.

19 and 80 lbs. Sub 5', booby Makati girl gives me the biz, and you the foot. Lovely unrushed aftie 2-bumper.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3028920]Remember that Pinas have zero long term memory: what ever she says while you're in LA is forgotten when you arrive if there is a better opportunity in town; any cash transferred has zero value tomorrow or when you arrive.

Have a great time while your here but don't even consider getting involved before or after your visit..[/QUOTE]Zero long term memory is a gross generalization. I would say the opposite. Girls from 5 years ago still remember me while I can't remember them and they can recall details about the visit too.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3029506]You got the newb treatment, but it worked out well anyway. Good descriptive report.

19 and 80 lbs. Sub 5', booby Makati girl gives me the biz, and you the foot. Lovely unrushed aftie 2-bumper.[/QUOTE]A buddy of mine was on his first and only trip to Makati and got pick pocketed for 5 grand (USD) in a Burgos bar.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;3029525]A buddy of mine was on his first and only trip to Makati and got pick pocketed for 5 grand (USD) in a Burgos bar.[/QUOTE]Why would anyone carry 5 k USD into any bar in any city worldwide?

[QUOTE=Detwing1;3029525]A buddy of mine was on his first and only trip to Makati and got pick pocketed for 5 grand (USD) in a Burgos bar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3029528]Why would anyone carry 5 k USD into any bar in any city worldwide?[/QUOTE]Seems a bit off to me also, but if you hang around the bubbles enough you will occasionally come across someone with large cash. Especially Koreans (making it rain blue notes in AC). Also consider that its possible that more people than you see doing it are actually doing it; they just keep it well hidden. But I agree with BB, regardless of how well off you are, isn't $1000 USD (or equivalent pesos) enough for one Burgos evening? If you aren't barfining, $50 suits me fine.

[QUOTE=Sammi123;3029278]I was hoping to find a clean, reliable, safe incall options, since I am hoping to avoid running into colleagues staying at the same hotel while I am mongering. But am worried about safety / scams.

Appreciate any advice. Also appreciate any recommendations on the best place to change USD to pesos.

Will upload my full report of my experiences.[/QUOTE]If you try [URL]Smooci.com[/URL] there are incall options now. Smooci is always a good alternative to Manila Courtesans.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;3029525]A buddy of mine was on his first and only trip to Makati and got pick pocketed for 5 grand (USD) in a Burgos bar.[/QUOTE]Hi Det,

I'm guessing "Buddy" was either:

Mixing up his Pesos with USD.

Covering up a gambling debt.

Ended up with a bakla by mistake and feels the guilts.

Or he wasn't too clever walking around Manila with USD5 k in his pocket.

I often walk from my Makati room to the 7/11 with 5 k (pesos) in my pocket and manage to get a FL for the night on the way, a bottle of Tanduay and hotel room lady drinks.

And I still have change.

_ Phil.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;3029525]A buddy of mine was on his first and only trip to Makati and got pick pocketed for 5 grand (USD) in a Burgos bar.[/QUOTE]When I got to Boracay the first thing I noticed was every single man had a cross body wallet or bag. I had one too so I wouldn't be pick pocketed but I didn't know it would be that popular. It would be silly to walk around with that much money in a unsecured back pocket, while getting drunk, in that crowded of an environment.

When I was walking down the beach path in Boracay at night by all the hookers, I was mobbed by kids that started hanging on my arms. I knew what was up and was conscious of my jewelry. After I finally got away my watch was dangling off my arm. Somehow one of the kid was able to detach the link from the dial. I was horrified and impressed at the same time. I have no idea how they pulled that off.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3029545]And I still have change.

_ Phil.[/QUOTE]Reason #237 that I love Philippines.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3029545]Hi Det,

I'm guessing "Buddy" was either:

Mixing up his Pesos with USD.

Covering up a gambling debt.

Ended up with a bakla by mistake and feels the guilts.

Or he wasn't too clever walking around Manila with USD5 k in his pocket.

_ Phil.[/QUOTE]Yep, Makati and the Philippines in general can be very accident prone. I've 'lost' wallets, a few handphones and hotels have had no wifi or mobile data for days on end.

Well, that was my story when I got home and I'm sticking to it.

I'd agree that walking the streets with $5000 in the pocket isn't the brightest move. If he wasn't robbed, it would have disappeared soon enough. A fool and his money.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3029508]Zero long term memory is a gross generalization. I would say the opposite. Girls from 5 years ago still remember me while I can't remember them and they can recall details about the visit too.[/QUOTE]A valid point. When it suits them, Asians in general can have excellent memories of names and personal interactions.

I was more talking about promises to meet or quid pro quos to reimburse the GCash transfers.

G.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3029528]Why would anyone carry 5 k USD into any bar in any city worldwide?[/QUOTE]I've got a buddy who loves the strip clubs back home. He'll go through a several grand a night but that includes a couple of grams.

I certainly do not recommend doing the same anywhere in Asia.

G.

For the Bush-and-boob lover. One of Manila's joy critters.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3029583]A valid point. When it suits them, Asians in general can have excellent memories of names and personal interactions.

I was more talking about promises to meet or quid pro quos to reimburse the GCash transfers.[/QUOTE]That is not lack of long-term memory. They do remember that promise to meet and to reimburse the money. They just choose not to honor those promises. They have not forgotten those things at all. They are well aware that they said it to you but they are hoping that you will forget about those promises.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3029528]Why would anyone carry 5 k USD into any bar in any city worldwide?[/QUOTE]That's exactly what I asked him. It's also exactly what I warned him against doing.

It was his first time traveling outside the confines of his hometown region (I. E. Small town in the midwest USA).

So, yes, he was quite naive, in spite of me telling him how things work.

He learned an expensive lesson.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3030094]For the Bush-and-boob lover. One of Manila's joy critters.[/QUOTE]Thanks Westie,

Much appreciated.

With so many bald gristle grippers about, it's always nice to find one with a bit of hair on it for a change.

_Phil.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3029549]When I got to Boracay the first thing I noticed was every single man had a cross body wallet or bag. I had one too so I wouldn't be pick pocketed but I didn't know it would be that popular. It would be silly to walk around with that much money in a unsecured back pocket, while getting drunk, in that crowded of an environment.

When I was walking down the beach path in Boracay at night by all the hookers, I was mobbed by kids that started hanging on my arms. I knew what was up and was conscious of my jewelry. After I finally got away my watch was dangling off my arm. Somehow one of the kid was able to detach the link from the dial. I was horrified and impressed at the same time. I have no idea how they pulled that off.[/QUOTE]Interesting I've been to boracay two times before I never seen any hookers anywhere maybe I miss something where exactly?

[QUOTE=Detwing1;3030140]That's exactly what I asked him. It's also exactly what I warned him against doing.

It was his first time traveling outside the confines of his hometown region (I. E. Small town in the midwest USA).

So, yes, he was quite naive, in spite of me telling him how things work.

He learned an expensive lesson.[/QUOTE]I've never understood travelling with bulk USD.

Sure, have some cash to get out of the airport but some guys arrive with enough cash to fund their whole holiday. Not only does this open up the opportunity to loss or theft but once it's gone, it ain't coming back.

I lost my Wise card last trip. That was a PITA but it was easy to find a work around. Cash would have been totally different. These days, there are so many low fee and easier options than cash.

There is also far less need for cash than before. Hotels, meals, transport can all be paid for electronically. Shit, after losing my Wise card, I was even paying hookers by Gcash to preserve my physical cash.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3030177]I've never understood travelling with bulk USD.

Sure, have some cash to get out of the airport but some guys arrive with enough cash to fund their whole holiday. Not only does this open up the opportunity to loss or theft but once it's gone, it ain't coming back.

I lost my Wise card last trip. That was a PITA but it was easy to find a work around. Cash would have been totally different. These days, there are so many low fee and easier options than cash.

There is also far less need for cash than before. Hotels, meals, transport can all be paid for electronically. Shit, after losing my Wise card, I was even paying hookers by Gcash to preserve my physical cash.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I bring cash and never use a ATM for money. BTW, I exit PH with 20-30 k and come back with it as my starter kit. Once I land I am ready to go! Starter kit includes 50's, 100's, 500's and 1,000's.

I land in the mornings at T3, hop on Genesis bus and 2 hours at SM mall. Trike to hotel and am ready to go.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3030094]For the Bush-and-boob lover. One of Manila's joy critters.[/QUOTE]Very nice. Rare to see that anymore.

[QUOTE=FlyGuyEddie007;3030156]Interesting I've been to boracay two times before I never seen any hookers anywhere maybe I miss something where exactly?[/QUOTE]Hi Eddie. Station 1 outside the late bars. Lots of Bakla though. Anywhere in The Phils where there are tourists, there will be girls willing to spread them for cash. Pina Love is always a great option there, however it's best to negotiate from experience. You'll be able to drag the prices down and sort out all-nighters for the price of a short term gig in Manila. Or much less _ Phil.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3030220]I bring cash and never use a ATM for money.

BTW, I exit PH with 20-30 k and come back with it as my starter kit. Once I land I am ready to go! Starter kit includes 50's, 100's, 500's and 1,000's.

I land in the mornings at T3, hop on Genesis bus and 2 hours at SM mall. Trike to hotel and am ready to go.[/QUOTE]To each their own. Your certainly not the only guy I know that arrives with enough cash to fund their entire holiday. I prefer to avoid the associated risks and hassles but that's me. I'm not really cash focused. Even at home, $500 in cash lasts me months. There was a time when cash was king in Asia. Now, I'm finding that that's less and less the case every trip.

I do the same. For the repeat visitor, it doesn't make sense to convert everything back to home currency. I just keep it so that I have something on arrival when I return. And it's not only cash. I've got positive balances on my Maya account, my Wise card and my Globe load. As you say, it's good to hit the ground running. However, remember that many countries change their notes frequently and withdraw old notes out of circulation. I have quite a few that are no longer legal tender and can't be spent or exchanged.

Even if you're like me and not bringing a lot of cash, don't arrive with none. I've arrived in countries to find closed exchange booths and / or airport ATMs that won't accept my cards. It's no fun if you can't even get a taxi, buy a SIM etc.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3030393]To each their own. Your certainly not the only guy I know that arrives with enough cash to fund their entire holiday. I prefer to avoid the associated risks and hassles but that's me. I'm not really cash focused. Even at home, $500 in cash lasts me months. There was a time when cash was king in Asia. Now, I'm finding that that's less and less the case every trip.

I do the same. For the repeat visitor, it doesn't make sense to convert everything back to home currency. I just keep it so that I have something on arrival when I return. And it's not only cash. I've got positive balances on my Maya account, my Wise card and my Globe load. As you say, it's good to hit the ground running. However, remember that many countries change their notes frequently and withdraw old notes out of circulation. I have quite a few that are no longer legal tender and can't be spent or exchanged..[/QUOTE]BTW, as a backup plan I can wire money to myself via Cebuana or to a trusted local Pinay's bank account. Funds arrive in 2 banking days max either way. Cebuana has a 50 k limit. Pinay's account is <250 k to avoid question from the bank.

Always have a back up plan for money folks.

Heading to Manila this month. I've never been, but I've been going to German (FKK) and Thailand for 20 years.

I fly into Manila and I'm staying at Makati Palace Hotel for 3 nights before I move on to Angeles or Cebu.

I don't like to waste time trying to find the diamond in the rough jumping from dive bar to dive bar, I want the best of the best.

What strip clubs, gogo bars should I hit up when I arrive and what about checking out the freelancer bars late night after hours.

What advice can anyone give me for my 3 nights in Manila?

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030445]I don't like to waste time trying to find the diamond in the rough jumping from dive bar to dive bar, I want the best of the best.

What strip clubs, gogo bars should I hit up when I arrive and what about checking out the freelancer bars late night after hours.

What advice can anyone give me for my 3 nights in Manila?[/QUOTE]You want the fastest? Or do you want the bestest? The two things don't always coalesce. Also what do you mean by the 'best of the best'? Best looking? Youngest? Best (pleasing) personality? Un-rushed? Stays LT? Multiple pops? Keeps her yappy mouth shut and bangs and gets the eff out? Etc.

You are staying in the heart of the gogo bar / freelance area, so its easy pickin's. But there is a quality difference between the two. Also there are online possibilities. Your time in Thailand is a good guide to the Makati / Burgos scene.

Another thought. The nature of your freshman question suggests a lack of RTTF.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3029393]...... I'm an extremely muscular black guy so I could have easily left and threatened bodily harm if anyone tried to stop me, but decided to take it easy.

.........[/QUOTE]Don't even think about it, your muscles doesn't mean nothing here, they will beat you senseless, and you'll end up in jail also, regardless of who's fault it was. Valid for the whole SEA.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3030461]You want the fastest? Or do you want the bestest? The two things don't always coalesce. Also what do you mean by the 'best of the best'? Best looking? Youngest? Best (pleasing) personality? Un-rushed? Stays LT? Multiple pops? Keeps her yappy mouth shut and bangs and gets the eff out? Etc.

You are staying in the heart of the gogo bar / freelance area, so its easy pickin's. But there is a quality difference between the two. Also there are online possibilities. Your time in Thailand is a good guide to the Makati / Burgos scene.

Another thought. The nature of your freshman question suggests a lack of RTTF.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response and point taken.

Yes! Best looking! Of course!

I'm familiar with German FKK's as I've been going for 20 years, so I'm partial to their format. You walk in, pay a cover, change into your robe, walk into the club and are met by naked women walking around. You engage in small talk when you see a girl you like and head off to the rooms. When finished you return to the front, usually where lockers are provided and get your money to pay the girl directly. The club doesn't get any money.

So what do I want? - I'm usually an optic fuck, so I like slender, fit, big boobs, nice teeth, well groomed, women (early 20's to mid 30's). Small talk is pleasant, but I'm not looking for a girlfriend, I'm looking for sex. Usually just one pop ST is OK with me because in the sauna clubs I can rinse and repeat with a different girl within an hour after I recharge. I want a club as similar to a German FKK, where I can walk in select the one I like and do my business on site. I'm aware on site action isn't really a thing in the PH or Thailand because prostitution is technically illegal, so a bar fine back to my hotel room is OK with me. I also want a large selection to pick from, as I'm picky (see requirements above).

One important note. I'm a cheap Charlie and don't like to pay the large bar fines, so typically what I do (Thailand) is ask the Gogo bar girl where she's going after she gets off and sometimes they'll let me know what club she's headed too to freelance, that way I can meet her there and avoid the bar fine. This works for me in Thailand (Bangkok, Pattaya), but only if the girl doesn't get bar fined for the night or is too tired to engage in freelancing after she gets off her shift.

Once in a while, if I don't want to spend money on a Gogo bar girl I'll grab a street walker, but she has to meet my requirements (see above). I do like Thermae cafe in Bangkok as it's a meat market and requires little to no work with a large selection of girls and I can usually get a girl there for about 1,500-2,000 Baht.

If you can give me any advice it would be:

1. Any Gogo / Strip Club with on site action, so I don't have to walk around all night looking and asking. I can't find much about on site action and I've previously asked but didn't get much of a response.

2. Strip bars / Gogo bars with the most beautiful girls in Manila where I can bar fine them all. Some clubs in EU have dancers / performers that are very attractive, but you can't take them out and the ones you can bar fine aren't nearly as attractive as the dancers / performers.

3. Bars / clubs with freelancers.

For the freshly-grown lawn lovers. From above, below, to infinity, and beyond.

Long time province critter gets a big city travel treat, and wrings it out of Westy. Repeatedly.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3030461]You want the fastest? Or do you want the bestest? The two things don't always coalesce. Also what do you mean by the 'best of the best'? Best looking? Youngest? Best (pleasing) personality? Un-rushed? Stays LT? Multiple pops? Keeps her yappy mouth shut and bangs and gets the eff out? Etc.

You are staying in the heart of the gogo bar / freelance area, so its easy pickin's. But there is a quality difference between the two. Also there are online possibilities. Your time in Thailand is a good guide to the Makati / Burgos scene.

Another thought. The nature of your freshman question suggests a lack of RTTF.[/QUOTE]I wasn't the OP but I'll still ask.

What if it was the youngest / freshest? Not the biggest / most, or most highly trained / experienced, or even hottest. Just most likely to get girls new to the scene and young / hot. You seem to have a sense of the lay of the land a bit.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3030220]I bring cash and never use a ATM for money. BTW, I exit PH with 20-30 k and come back with it as my starter kit. Once I land I am ready to go! Starter kit includes 50's, 100's, 500's and 1,000's.

I land in the mornings at T3, hop on Genesis bus and 2 hours at SM mall. Trike to hotel and am ready to go.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I'm staying near the SM mall. Well, one of them. There are a few by that name in Manila. Is there anything interesting at the mall or just a place to shop and eat?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3030549]I wasn't the OP but I'll still ask.

What if it was the youngest / freshest? Not the biggest / most, or most highly trained / experienced, or even hottest. Just most likely to get girls new to the scene and young / hot. You seem to have a sense of the lay of the land a bit.[/QUOTE]Walking into a bar and asking for the freshest girls really is the easiest way to stand out as a newbie and be seen as an easy mark. Generally it just goes down hill from there.

If you are only looking at bars, then you really need to build up a relationship, or at least a rapport, with the mamasan and she will then give you accurate advice. Don't just walk in drooling at the mouth.

If your happy to look outside the bars, then it's where normal girls congregate: malls; food halls; McDo etc. But don't expect them to be point and shoot. Many will be very shy even if she is interested.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3030552]Interesting. I'm staying near the SM mall. Well, one of them. There are a few by that name in Manila. Is there anything interesting at the mall or just a place to shop and eat?[/QUOTE]SM, Robinson's, Ayala, Gaisano are all chains of shopping centers or at least the major tennant. It's like saying you're living close to Kmart. Many big cities will have several SM's, not just one.

There isn't a lot to do there besides shop or eat at the food halls. Some have freelancers on the prowl but they are typically just the old hags. They are often a very convenient place to meet girls if you don't want to invite them straight to your room. They are easy to find and get to and there are plenty of coffee or meal options.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3030549]What if it was the youngest / freshest? Not the biggest / most, or most highly trained / experienced, or even hottest. Just most likely to get girls new to the scene and young / hot. You seem to have a sense of the lay of the land a bit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;3030612]Walking into a bar and asking for the freshest girls really is the easiest way to stand out as a newbie and be seen as an easy mark. Generally it just goes down hill from there.[/QUOTE]I'm with Go. You are looking for Fresh Off the Bus (FOB). There is no point-and-shoot bar in Manila that specializes in such. Chatting up / buying a drink for the mamasan would be a help in any gogo bar. You will have more success with FOB in Angeles, where the bars have faster turnover rate from the province. My last trip to AC I got lucky at Gecko's bar. I asked the mama over a drink who her newest and youngest (two separate things) were. "Just you wait. They are on stage in five minutes. From my province in Mindanao". A minute later the dressing room door opened and someone pushed two tiny cuties out into the main bar area and closed the door. Well below 5', cute AF and wearing bikinis, standing there like deer in the headlights. A minute after that another gal pulled them on stage. They looked like sisters.

Lucky, as you never know what the line up is on any given night. Remember, 1/7 of the girls are on their day off any night you hit a gogo bar in any city. And some are out sick, or having a heavy mens and not even at work. While gogo bars are the best (and fastest) for the point-and-shoot option, each night is different in terms of personnel. Saying that I got a hottie at Dimple's bar last week has no bearing on what you 1) see tonight; or 2) Is available tonight. I been to a lot of countries, but youngest / freshest is not really an advertised specialty anywhere, is it?

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030480]Yes! Best looking! Of course! [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030480]So what do I want? - I'm usually an optic fuck, so I like slender, fit, big boobs, nice teeth, well groomed, women (early 20's to mid 30's). [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030480]I also want a large selection to pick from, as I'm picky (see requirements above). [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030480]One important note. I'm a cheap Charlie and don't like to pay the large bar fines, so typically what I do (Thailand) is ask the Gogo bar girl where she's going after she gets off and sometimes they'll let me know what club she's headed too to freelance, that way I can meet her there and avoid the bar fine. This works for me in Thailand (Bangkok, Pattaya), but only if the girl doesn't get bar fined for the night or is too tired to engage in freelancing after she gets off her shift.[/QUOTE]I think the above several statements are at odds with what you might want vs get in SE Asia [I][b](an optic f*ck / I'm picky / cheap charlie)[/b][/I]. Gogo clubs here that have a room onsite for the joy have just one such room. You have to agree in advance to whatever fee the mama asks (there is no set fee, it will depend how long you want the room, how FOB you appear, etc). You might have to agree to pay for a minimum drink amount per girl you take back there. And you must negotiate a price with the girl (s) you want to take back in there. And you might find some not willing to go back there. It might cost you as much as a barfine. As stated multiple times on this site, a full evening's barfine (the normal offsite at your hotel or such) will run you about $180-$200 USD. There is no set price amount for the on-site room (if they have one). The onsite room is generally for drunk horny guys, and just want a quickie RIGHT NOW (and are willing to pay for the convenience). You might get it for much less (if the bar needs money TONIGHT), or more. Or not at all.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030480]'m familiar with German FKK's as I've been going for 20 years, so I'm partial to their format. You walk in, pay a cover, change into your robe, walk into the club and are met by naked women walking around. You engage in small talk when you see a girl you like and head off to the rooms. When finished you return to the front, usually where lockers are provided and get your money to pay the girl directly. The club doesn't get any money. SNIP

I want a club as similar to a German FKK, where I can walk in select the one I like and do my business on site. I'm aware on site action isn't really a thing in the PH or Thailand because prostitution is technically illegal, so a bar fine back to my hotel room is OK with me. I also want a large selection to pick from, as I'm picky (see requirements above). [/QUOTE]I am familiar with the format, and I think that the FKK is probably the best mongering format anywhere. However there is little like this in Phils. However I believe Thailand has a very similar thing, as other gents have reported that many clubs have ST rooms available on the premises for exactly what you seek: A quick pop and out.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030480]Once in a while, if I don't want to spend money on a Gogo bar girl I'll grab a street walker, but she has to meet my requirements (see above). I do like Thermae cafe in Bangkok as it's a meat market and requires little to no work with a large selection of girls and I can usually get a girl there for about 1,500-2,000 Baht.[/QUOTE]Freelancers. LA Cafe (AKA Midnight Haven) in Malate. 100-200 freelancers onsite most nights. Prices range wildly, and often the girl will start negotiating much higher than she's worth, especially if she finds out your are FOB. Most any lady can head in there, and the Mgmt there does not control the girls (its Gig economy work, the bar just sells food, and does not control the girls in any way; if you have a complaint with her service, you can not complain to the bar). Girls of all ages (including 50's sometimes), sizes, looks, and prices. Its very easy to spot one you like and approach her. No LD required. Sweetie, my place, short time, 1 f*ck, p3000? See what she counters with. Reach an agreement, and walk out the door with her. Don't be surprised if she counters much higher than you offered, especially if she's hot.

Freelancers on the street in Makati are rarely the quality you seek. Older, chubby, etc. Diamonds in the rough you can find sometimes, but they get taken early in the evening.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030480]1. Any Gogo / Strip Club with on site action, so I don't have to walk around all night looking and asking. I can't find much about on site action and I've previously asked but didn't get much of a response.[/QUOTE]As previously reported*, Maison, Marquee, Dimples, and Lolipop all have a side room. Others possibly also. Also, just because they have a side room, they might not let you access it (any number of reasons). There is no set price list for this, or promised availability, like in Thailand or FKK's. These rooms are sometimes used for legitimate parties, and may be pre-rented by someone else tonight, and unavailable to you or me.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030480]2. Strip bars / Gogo bars with the most beautiful girls in Manila where I can bar fine them all. Some clubs in EU have dancers / performers that are very attractive, but you can't take them out and the ones you can bar fine aren't nearly as attractive as the dancers / performers..[/QUOTE]All gogo girls in all gogo bars (about 12 gogos on Burgos St) can barfine. However its up to each girl whether she will barfine. She might tell you that she has mens tonight and can't go with you, then she might barfine with a different guy 30 minutes later. She lied about the mens because she didn't like you. No girl is required to barfine. Some girls never barfine (she can earn good coin from her evening's LD's). See previous reports on barfine prices*.

I am not aware of any gogo's who have 'spotlight dancers', as some did pre-covid. These dancers were not allowed to barfine until there dancing was finished for the evening (around 2 am). I think all girls, including some waitresses, are available for barfining. You can ask the mama first who is not available.

* Some of this information I am repeating, but it has been widely reported here for a long time. Please take the time to RTFF. Additionally I think you are possibly setting yourself up for failure in the gogos, especially given your short 3 night stay. Its only a bit like Thailand. FL at LA Cafe might be a better bet. Other senior members weigh in here.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3030685]I think the above several statements are at odds with what you might want vs get in SE Asia [I][b](an optic f*ck / I'm picky / cheap charlie)[/b][/I]. Gogo clubs here that have a room onsite for the joy have just one such room. You have to agree in advance to whatever fee the mama asks (there is no set fee, it will depend how long you want the room, how FOB you appear, etc). You might have to agree to pay for a minimum drink amount per girl you take back there. And you must negotiate a price with the girl (s) you want to take back in there. And you might find some not willing to go back there. It might cost you as much as a barfine. As stated multiple times on this site, a full evening's barfine (the normal offsite at your hotel or such) will run you about $180-$200 USD. There is no set price amount for the on-site room (if they have one). The onsite room is generally for drunk horny guys, and just want a quickie RIGHT NOW (and are willing to pay for the convenience). You might get it for much less (if the bar needs money TONIGHT), or more. Or not at all.[/QUOTE]All accurate. However, you missed one very important step: Brian needs to be buying drinks and spending money to be invited to / made aware of the VIP rooms. A wall flower watching his pennies and not even buying LDs won't even find out that there is extras available onsite even if he asks directly. He certainly won't be the center of attention of the prettiest girls.

For reference, my last visit to Burgos. All of the bars had changed post COVID so I wasn't aware of what was available in each. You'll note that I visited many bars, including those on Westy's list but was only offered one VIP room.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3009015]Numerous girls are offering to drop around online but I decide against it. It's been years since I've had a good look at Burgos so I'm off. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3030685]

* Some of this information I am repeating, but it has been widely reported here for a long time. Please take the time to RTFF. Additionally I think you are possibly setting yourself up for failure in the gogos, especially given your short 3 night stay. Its only a bit like Thailand. FL at LA Cafe might be a better bet. Other senior members weigh in here.[/QUOTE]I agree on RTFF to find more complete and intricate information.

Also agreed on potentially setting himself up for disappointment. I'll repeat myself again. The worst thing one can do on Burgos or any Redlight area is desperately go looking for a great night or the best girls. Much better to go out, be friendly and reasonably generous and it's amazing what can happen spontaneously.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3030693]I agree on RTFF to find more complete and intricate information.

Also agreed on potentially setting himself up for disappointment. I'll repeat myself again. The worst thing one can do on Burgos or any Redlight area is desperately go looking for a great night or the best girls. Much better to go out, be friendly and reasonably generous and it's amazing what can happen spontaneously.[/QUOTE]I don't think the OP has that kind of time; 3 nights. For such a short visit he's going to want to connect only with inexpensive hotties (an oxymoron). Small chance of success, but I've been wrong before. Write us a report after your trip Brian.

Just found this website recently and curious if anyone has used their service. I've used smooci and manilacourtesans but this one is new to me.

He's looking for the same thing that everybody has in mind, but doesn't usually exists, or it takes time to find, which he doesn't have.

Needs to drop off some of the requirements, first one is the being cheap part. Enough money will buy whatever you desire, even the impossible.

Is not like another thousand guys will just be going in and droping big bucks for the ugly out of shape girls, not wanting something fresh and good looking.

I'm talking to some younger friends in the US, and finally they are convinced that nobody will kill them in SEA, and now they are ready to do the first trip here, I don't know what they watched, and where they got their info from, but they all think just like Brian: stunning asians are waiting for them to come and take them, for as litle as $25 or less, maybe free, just because they come from the land of plenty. Many centuries have passed since Magellan first set foot, and things have changed.

Anyway everything is possible, but the odds are minuscule.

I took a look at the website, I have not used it. But, I laughed so hard that you can rank girls by the variable of them having dentures or Not. Not sure how many young ladies have dentures, but I guess some find it important. LOL.

[QUOTE=Mpc853;3030729]Just found this website recently and curious if anyone has used their service. I've used smooci and manilacourtesans but this one is new to me.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that was a pretty dumb question. But still, thanks for answering.

It's really the same everywhere I've been around the world. You just have to take the time to assess the situation and ask questions without shame.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3030612]Walking into a bar and asking for the freshest girls really is the easiest way to stand out as a newbie and be seen as an easy mark. Generally it just goes down hill from there.

If you are only looking at bars, then you really need to build up a relationship, or at least a rapport, with the mamasan and she will then give you accurate advice. Don't just walk in drooling at the mouth.

If your happy to look outside the bars, then it's where normal girls congregate: malls; food halls; McDo etc. But don't expect them to be point and shoot. Many will be very shy even if she is interested.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

My biggest gripe, because I'm cheap, is having to buy LD. I don't personally drink and don't want to waste money on LD. Maybe one to two LD's at most before I BF. If I can get the "side room" without the large BF, then I think I'll smash it in PH. I'll report back when I return. If I'm having a blast I'll stay longer than 3 nights.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3030718]I don't think the OP has that kind of time; 3 nights. For such a short visit he's going to want to connect only with inexpensive hotties (an oxymoron). Small chance of success, but I've been wrong before. Write us a report after your trip Brian.[/QUOTE]While I like hotties, as every man does, I don't like having to pay for LD's, bar fines, and all the fluff around the hottie. This is because I'm used to the German FKK scene where there's no drinking or paying a middleman (mamasan) for a girl. The whole Asian culture where everyone gets a cut, and "you have to do this before you can do that" mentality turns me off. Lastly, $180-200 US for a ST girl in Manila for ST is not cheap! Add LD's on top and I don't know why anyone would want to go to the PH? In Germany many FKK's are around $50-100 Euros, unless you want extras and you don't have to buy any LD's.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3030765]He's looking for the same thing that everybody has in mind, but doesn't usually exists, or it takes time to find, which he doesn't have.

Needs to drop off some of the requirements, first one is the being cheap part. Enough money will buy whatever you desire, even the impossible.

Is not like another thousand guys will just be going in and droping big bucks for the ugly out of shape girls, not wanting something fresh and good looking.

I'm talking to some younger friends in the US, and finally they are convinced that nobody will kill them in SEA, and now they are ready to do the first trip here, I don't know what they watched, and where they got their info from, but they all think just like Brian: stunning asians are waiting for them to come and take them, for as litle as $25 or less, maybe free, just because they come from the land of plenty. Many centuries have passed since Magellan first set foot, and things have changed..[/QUOTE]"take them, for as little as $25 or less" I'm not ignorant and I doubt your friends are too, I've been going to Thailand for over 15 years, so I know SEA. I've just never been to PH.

From what I've read in the forums about the PH, the Gogo girls are between $160-200 US?

That's not cheap! In many German FKK's girls are $50 Euro, so $200 US is 4 x the price of the girls in some German FKK's.

Good day, is any possibility to find girls (bars, night club, even extra massage) around 1 km - 2 km by walk from terminal 2 Manilla airport please?

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030887]While I like hotties, as every man does, I don't like having to pay for LD's, bar fines, and all the fluff around the hottie. This is because I'm used to the German FKK scene where there's no drinking or paying a middleman (mamasan) for a girl. The whole Asian culture where everyone gets a cut, and "you have to do this before you can do that" mentality turns me off. Lastly, $180-200 US for a ST girl in Manila for ST is not cheap! Add LD's on top and I don't know why anyone would want to go to the PH? In Germany many FKK's are around $50-100 Euros, unless you want extras and you don't have to buy any LD's.[/QUOTE]Comparisons. Yuck. Isn't it easier to just stay in BKK or Germany? Multiple options exist for you to find cuties for less, just not in gogo bars in Phils. My understanding of FKK's (I have never partaken) is that there is an initial fee to get into the club, say, $50-$75 USD (roughly, which covers food / drinks during your day), then you negotiate with each beauty her price (another $50-$75 USD). Is that right? Effing 1 girl would run you $100-$150, and 2 girls $150-$200. A similar Burgos girl will run you $200 for 2 pops, 1 evening and 1 morning. You get to keep the Burgos girl and sleep with her at your place (quite nice), vs a 30-minute pop elsewhere, and take her out for the evening if you are in the mood.

Do FKK girls on occasion require condoms? I ask because in many countries now, condoms are standard, while in Phils they are not. The condom has been standard in Latin America for a long time. Are they standard in BKK?

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030888]From what I've read in the forums about the PH, the Gogo girls are between $160-200 US? That's not cheap! In many German FKK's girls are $50 Euro, so $200 US is 4 x the price of the girls in some German FKK's.[/QUOTE]The $200-ish is for gogos in Makati, not for Phils. Its about $100 in Angeles. And oddly, its $140-ish in many small-town gogo bars, where you'd expect it to be much less. There is nothing on earth to compare to FKK's. To be fair to Phils, there are other avenues to finding hotties in the $60-$80 range (p3-4 k), but those options are not the point / shoot convenient options that you previously expressed a desire for. Specifically see PhilJoy and Goferring's posts on using the online system for those girls, but be prepped to put in exhaustive time in weeding out the rocks from the diamonds.

[QUOTE=CAExpert;3030786]I took a look at the website, I have not used it. But, I laughed so hard that you can rank girls by the variable of them having dentures or Not. Not sure how many young ladies have dentures, but I guess some find it important. LOL.[/QUOTE]I have partaken their services before and I had the same curiosity and researched to find that 41% of denture users in Philippines are in the 18-35 age group. Anecdotally, I asked a girl at Lips once about it and she immediately brought over her friend who took off her dentures and told me I should barfine her as it would be a "unique experience". Crazy!

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030888]"take them, for as little as $25 or less" I'm not ignorant and I doubt your friends are too, I've been going to Thailand for over 15 years, so I know SEA. I've just never been to PH.

From what I've read in the forums about the PH, the Gogo girls are between $160-200 US?

That's not cheap! In many German FKK's girls are $50 Euro, so $200 US is 4 x the price of the girls in some German FKK's.[/QUOTE]There is no comparison between FKK and PH, totally different things. FKK is close to the TH system, 1 hour, condom, in a back room, mechanical and soulless. PH is close to your 1000+ Euro escort. It depends what you're looking for, and in FKK 50 Euros is the starting price for 30 minutes, I been there numerous times, even crossed the border in CZ, where is about the same. Cannot compare at all.

For the same amount of money you get 10 X in PH, or if you have the luxury of time, you'll get it for free.

Just read the TH forum, and the PH forum, and you'll see that in the TH forum they talk about things that teenagers will brag about on their first date.

Anyway, because this is your first in PH, I'm telling you like to all the other first timers here, especially under time restrains: go to AC, and get a room in Royal Amsterdam Hotel, you will thank me later.

Manila has more to offer, but is like any other big city in the world, full of scammers, tricksters, vultures, and more expensive, not good for first visit. I assure you that what you'll get in AC for $100, has no comparison to FKK or TH GoGos.
After you get seasoned to the PH, then return with a bit more time, and with the previously acquired knowledge, and dip into the Manila scene.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030887]While I like hotties, as every man does, I don't like having to pay for LD's, bar fines, and all the fluff around the hottie. This is because I'm used to the German FKK scene where there's no drinking or paying a middleman (mamasan) for a girl. The whole Asian culture where everyone gets a cut, and "you have to do this before you can do that" mentality turns me off. Lastly, $180-200 US for a ST girl in Manila for ST is not cheap! Add LD's on top and I don't know why anyone would want to go to the PH? In Germany many FKK's are around $50-100 Euros, unless you want extras and you don't have to buy any LD's.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030888]"take them, for as little as $25 or less" I'm not ignorant and I doubt your friends are too, I've been going to Thailand for over 15 years, so I know SEA. I've just never been to PH.

From what I've read in the forums about the PH, the Gogo girls are between $160-200 US?

That's not cheap! In many German FKK's girls are $50 Euro, so $200 US is 4 x the price of the girls in some German FKK's.[/QUOTE]I think we may have been wrong in presenting Burgos as the only option to find hotties and to get laid in Manila. It certainly isn't. There are many ways and places to find girls of all descriptions. However, unless you have an extensive contacts list, you do need some way to connect with said girls. That's where the cost comes in. It could be monetary or time cost but I don't know anywhere we can just turn up and start fucking with out some form of exchange.

Here are some options, from $$ to $ that you may want to also consider.

Burgos: already covered extensively. Basically designed for guys who have more money than time. 10 k LT*.

Makati / Poblacion night club freelancers: some stunning girls but they will know their value. It can take time to find what you want and have her agree to come with you. 5-15 k LT.

Same clubs but part timers or civilians. Much less mercenary and can be equally as good looking. Game is needed and expect to be buying her drinks and investing time. Her time can cost half of the professional or even free. 0-4 k LT.

Online: surprisingly quick and easy in manila. Thousands of girls available at short notice but these include the scammers. You need to weed out those too good to be true. 4-5 k LT.

Street walkers: surprisingly Burgos street walkers are the cheapest option for a new foreigner in Manila. Have your gaydar set to high but there are some diamonds in the rough. 1. 5-2 k, ST only, in a nearby hourly hotel.

Introductions via doormen, taxis etc: 3-5 k plus a 1 k tip for the introduction. See Phil's posts.

Many other options that I haven't included.

*All prices don't include drinks.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030888]"take them, for as little as $25 or less" I'm not ignorant and I doubt your friends are too, I've been going to Thailand for over 15 years, so I know SEA. I've just never been to PH.

From what I've read in the forums about the PH, the Gogo girls are between $160-200 US?

That's not cheap! In many German FKK's girls are $50 Euro, so $200 US is 4 x the price of the girls in some German FKK's.[/QUOTE]I've seen almost identical posts, in several city forums, comparing another place and complaining that their preferred place has no equal locally. If you want the FKK experience and price, Germany, Austria and Switzerland all have options with a wide range of prices, although I didn't find any, when doing my research, where 50€ would just get you anything more than in the door. At least another 50 was needed to get basic service.

If you're going to (any country for a first visit), forget about every other country. Find what that country does better and go for that. Go-gos are always going to be more expensive. There will almost always be extra expenses. Whether it's online or girls bars, street girls or escort services, there's almost always something worth checking out. Whatever works best for you, you won't maximize the experience if you're trying to compare it to another place and time.

I've been hearing guys rave about the Philippines for 45 years. In a few days I'll finally check it out myself. As always, I'll do things my own way, find my own experiences and make my own mistakes.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3030995]There is no comparison between FKK and PH, totally different things. FKK is close to the TH system, 1 hour, condom, in a back room, mechanical and soulless. PH is close to your 1000+ Euro escort. It depends what you're looking for, and in FKK 50 Euros is the starting price for 30 minutes, I been there numerous times, even crossed the border in CZ, where is about the same. Cannot compare at all.

For the same amount of money you get 10 X in PH, or if you have the luxury of time, you'll get it for free.

Just read the TH forum, and the PH forum, and you'll see that in the TH forum they talk about things that teenagers will brag about on their first date.

Anyway, because this is your first in PH, I'm telling you like to all the other first timers here, especially under time restrains: go to AC, and get a room in Royal Amsterdam Hotel, you will thank me later.

Manila has more to offer, but is like any other big city in the world, full of scammers, tricksters, vultures, and more expensive, not good for first visit. I assure you that what you'll get in AC for $100, has no comparison to FKK or TH GoGos..[/QUOTE]Right on, OU. So glad I retired in PH almost 4 years ago now. Been to the FKKs and all over TH, Indo, VN, Dominican Republic, Medellin, Tijuana, Costa Rica, Curacao's infamous Happy Camp. Nothing compares to the low cost girlfriend experience in PH. Actually I met a special one and will likely wife up. My God she's' beautiful, stacked and trim and a bit of a masochist which is new to me. She gets off being slapped and choked hehe. Deep throats and swallows like a champ. 25 years old, no kids, employed. Former Miss General Santos (Mindinao). Her big bright smile lights up the room and she calls me hubby. Loves to cook and clean and fuck. She's a keeper. I'm 70 now and slowing down anyway after all these years and 700+ lovers. Cheers.

[QUOTE=IndianGenie;3030978]I have partaken their services before and I had the same curiosity and researched to find that 41% of denture users in Philippines are in the 18-35 age group. Anecdotally, I asked a girl at Lips once about it and she immediately brought over her friend who took off her dentures and told me I should barfine her as it would be a "unique experience". Crazy![/QUOTE]Interesting stat.

Have purchased dentures for 4 girls over the years, all of them age 21 or less. Filipinas lose teeth young. The usual culprits: Fights, accidents, shabu (meth mouth), angry BF.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3031061]Interesting stat.

Have purchased dentures for 4 girls over the years, all of them age 21 or less. Filipinas lose teeth young. The usual culprits: Fights, accidents, shabu (meth mouth), angry BF.[/QUOTE]I've noticed this too. I think the dental care quality is not great out in the provinces. The default treatment for tooth pain seems to be extraction.

[QUOTE=FlyGuyEddie007;3030156]Interesting I've been to boracay two times before I never seen any hookers anywhere maybe I miss something where exactly?[/QUOTE]They were at station 2 along the beach walk after 10 pm.

Exit bar was flooded with them at night, and they were waiting right outside the bar waiting for people to leave. That's where I picked up a little thing that looked like Veronica Rodriguez.

[QUOTE=KingSquared;3031072]I've noticed this too. I think the dental care quality is not great out in the provinces. The default treatment for tooth pain seems to be extraction.[/QUOTE]I think is the lack of education, from parents, siblings, school, about dental hygiene, and second lack of funds if something happens and needs repair. My GF had braces, and was 80 k plus 3-5 k adjustments every 2-3 months total about 100 k, her wealthy aunt paid for it before I knew her, but most girls and their families never seen that kind of money all in one place all their life, nonetheless to have it. After we got together I wanted to change it to Invisalign, because I was afraid it will hurt my dick but the cost was around 250 k, so I said keep it like that and will do it carefully, but was only the scare because the contraption doesn't come in contact with the dick.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3031000]Online: surprisingly quick and easy in manila. Thousands of girls available at short notice but these include the scammers. You need to weed out those too good to be true. 4-5 k LT.

Street walkers: surprisingly Burgos street walkers are the cheapest option for a new foreigner in Manila. Have your gaydar set to high but there are some diamonds in the rough. 1. 5-2 k, ST only, in a nearby hourly hotel.

Introductions via doormen, taxis etc: 3-5 k plus a 1 k tip for the introduction. See Phil's posts.

Many other options that I haven't included.

*All prices don't include drinks.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Great info for the newcomers G.

As for online hook-ups, my average has been about 3 k - 4 k, but once you know what you're doing, you'll achieve this price through negotiation. I'm always mindful if the time I'm hunting online or PL for a better rate is worth the effort involved. Having said that, if I throw an offer out there of 3 k, one of them will get back to you to seal the deal. These have always been over-nighters too.

As for street walkers in Makati, yes, the majority have a set of balls, so buyer beware. At 1-2 am in the morning when the genuine girls have come up empty for the night and are getting desperate for some cash, your chances really improve. I've walked outside the City Garden hotel around this time just to get some fresh air and check out the mayhem on the street, and have walked back in with a decent girl who spent the night and it worked out to be 3 k. Saw her on multiple visits afterwards too at the same rate, and at an earlier hook-up hour.

Agreed, Burgos isn't the only option to find hotties and to get laid in Manila_ Phil.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3031000]

Online: surprisingly quick and easy in manila. Thousands of girls available at short notice but these include the scammers. You need to weed out those too good to be true. 4-5 k LT.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I think you are probably right but just wanted to share my not so good experience in Manila. I arrived there after visiting 5-6 different countries with great success with online girls (Tinder or Instagram), and also based on the "glory" of the Philippines, I was kind of overconfident thinking that I'm Brad Pitt entering a fish pond. And I made some mistakes, some bad decisions. Mainly not putting much effort in preparation. Talking and maintaining contacts with the girls few weeks before arriving. You can add the bad luck to the equation and it turns out to be not so good. So for other first timers in Manila. Do not make my mistake. Build your contact database, prepare for bad surprises and have plan E, F, G.

I arrived and for some reason I decided that it will be a great idea do "import" a girl from some other city. I met her on tinder and why on earth I made that newbie mistake I don't know. Anyway, she arrived, met her with a flowers, we had great night at some fancy bar, it was really good start. Then we went to my place and the circus started. Basically no sex, we have to know each other better, things like that. We slept on one bed, it was ridiculous feeling, and in the morning I wished her good bye. She started to cry, I was feeling really bad but what can I do.

Next 2-3 days were mainly chatting on Tinder with dozens of girls but nothing comes up. A lot of scams, a lot of ladyboys, a lot of normal girls wanting to build a relationship. Or few cute freelancers that weren't available that night. I was really shocked, I was thinking that I'm the only man in Manila that is going to bed alone. I wasnt feeling that Brad Pitt confident anymore LOL So after 3 nights alone, I found real gem - 24 year old Freelancer, just starting to work as engineer at some big construction company. It was an amazing night, a night that I still remember after 2 years. So it turns out that its possible, sometimes you have to go throug the bad period.

Next evening was my last one, then I met a normal girl who was a little offended when I offered her money while chatting on Tinder. We met on a nice rooftop bar and had really amazing night, we clicked great. We close the bar LOL, at 2 am they stop working. Sadly she did not come to my place but it was just a matter of time. Which I didn't have as it was my last night. We agreed she to come to me in El Nido for 3-4 days and we even agreed on which date.

I was in El Nido next day, literally buying the ticket on my phone, when another 22 year old Angel finally text me that she is coming to me. She was from the Palawan island. Then it was quite an awkward situation with the girl from Manila but I was honest and just told her the situation. She was too good a girl, she didn't deserve to be lied to with nonsense. Then in El Nido with the other freelancer I spend probably the best time of my mongering life LOL.

My point is that for some reason in Manila for me it was almost a disaster. And as I said, I know what I'm doing and I always have pretty good success all over the world. But in Manila, for me it didn't worked. And then the coin flips and it becomes one of my most memorable trips! So I'm' pretty happy to hear that in fact things are happening in Manila, it was just my bad luck, overconfidence and lack of enough time to make it good.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3031550]As for online hook-ups, my average has been about 3 k - 4 k, but once you know what you're doing, you'll achieve this price through negotiation. I'm always mindful if the time I'm hunting online or PL for a better rate is worth the effort involved. Having said that, if I throw an offer out there of 3 k, one of them will get back to you to seal the deal. These have always been over-nighters too.[/QUOTE]Another option that we haven't highlighted is that girls can move between categories: eg it's not unheard of to barfine a Burgos girl for 10 k, get her number and have her return again before work for 4 k.

Not every girl will do it and it takes time so not for the two days visitor.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;3031559]I think you are probably right but just wanted to share my not so good experience in Manila. I arrived there after visiting 5-6 different countries with great success with online girls (Tinder or Instagram), and also based on the "glory" of the Philippines, I was kind of overconfident thinking that I'm Brad Pitt entering a fish pond. And I made some mistakes, some bad decisions. Mainly not putting much effort in preparation. Talking and maintaining contacts with the girls few weeks before arriving. You can add the bad luck to the equation and it turns out to be not so good. So for other first timers in Manila. Do not make my mistake. Build your contact database, prepare for bad surprises and have plan E, F, G.

I arrived and for some reason I decided that it will be a great idea do "import" a girl from some other city. I met her on tinder and why on earth I made that newbie mistake I don't know. Anyway, she arrived, met her with a flowers, we had great night at some fancy bar, it was really good start. Then we went to my place and the circus started. Basically no sex, we have to know each other better, things like that. We slept on one bed, it was ridiculous feeling, and in the morning I wished her good bye. She started to cry, I was feeling really bad but what can I do.

Next 2-3 days were mainly chatting on Tinder with dozens of girls but nothing comes up. A lot of scams, a lot of ladyboys, a lot of normal girls wanting to build a relationship. Or few cute freelancers that weren't available that night. I was really shocked, I was thinking that I'm the only man in Manila that is going to bed alone. I wasnt feeling that Brad Pitt confident anymore LOL So after 3 nights alone, I found real gem - 24 year old Freelancer, just starting to work as engineer at some big construction company. It was an amazing night, a night that I still remember after 2 years. So it turns out that its possible, sometimes you have to go throug the bad period.

Next evening was my last one, then I met a normal girl who was a little offended when I offered her money while chatting on Tinder. We met on a nice rooftop bar and had really amazing night, we clicked great. We close the bar LOL, at 2 am they stop working. Sadly she did not come to my place but it was just a matter of time. Which I didn't have as it was my last night. We agreed she to come to me in El Nido for 3-4 days and we even agreed on which date.

I was in El Nido next day, literally buying the ticket on my phone, when another 22 year old Angel finally text me that she is coming to me. She was from the Palawan island. Then it was quite an awkward situation with the girl from Manila but I was honest and just told her the situation. She was too good a girl, she didn't deserve to be lied to with nonsense. Then in El Nido with the other freelancer I spend probably the best time of my mongering life LOL.

My point is that for some reason in Manila for me it was almost a disaster. And as I said, I know what I'm doing and I always have pretty good success all over the world. But in Manila, for me it didn't worked. And then the coin flips and it becomes one of my most memorable trips! So I'm' pretty happy to hear that in fact things are happening in Manila, it was just my bad luck, overconfidence and lack of enough time to make it good.[/QUOTE]Nice report, I want to say only 2 things:

1. Building relationships online weeks before arrival does not apply to the PH. Everything is instant.

2. I don't think Tinder is the right platform for PH. Personally I'm using DIA and PL, and to lesser success FB. Other members may correct me if I'm wrong.

Thanks for your detailed report. Did you not hit the LA cafe? I don't like BF, but LA cafe certainly has good options. I haven't tasted online options but read and seen mc, escortsitemakati has good options. I do agree, putting some effort ahead of travel, collecting all the potential options but not necessarily reaching out and lining up your options ahead of time is a good strategy.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;3031559]I think you are probably right but just wanted to share my not so good experience in Manila. I arrived there after visiting 5-6 different countries with great success with online girls (Tinder or Instagram), and also based on the "glory" of the Philippines, I was kind of overconfident thinking that I'm Brad Pitt entering a fish pond. And I made some mistakes, some bad decisions. Mainly not putting much effort in preparation. Talking and maintaining contacts with the girls few weeks before arriving. You can add the bad luck to the equation and it turns out to be not so good. So for other first timers in Manila. Do not make my mistake. Build your contact database, prepare for bad surprises and have plan E, F, G.

I arrived and for some reason I decided that it will be a great idea do "import" a girl from some other city. I met her on tinder and why on earth I made that newbie mistake I don't know. Anyway, she arrived, met her with a flowers, we had great night at some fancy bar, it was really good start. Then we went to my place and the circus started. Basically no sex, we have to know each other better, things like that. We slept on one bed, it was ridiculous feeling, and in the morning I wished her good bye. She started to cry, I was feeling really bad but what can I do.

Next 2-3 days were mainly chatting on Tinder with dozens of girls but nothing comes up. A lot of scams, a lot of ladyboys, a lot of normal girls wanting to build a relationship. Or few cute freelancers that weren't available that night. I was really shocked, I was thinking that I'm the only man in Manila that is going to bed alone. I wasnt feeling that Brad Pitt confident anymore LOL So after 3 nights alone, I found real gem - 24 year old Freelancer, just starting to work as engineer at some big construction company. It was an amazing night, a night that I still remember after 2 years. So it turns out that its possible, sometimes you have to go throug the bad period.

Next evening was my last one, then I met a normal girl who was a little offended when I offered her money while chatting on Tinder. We met on a nice rooftop bar and had really amazing night, we clicked great. We close the bar LOL, at 2 am they stop working. Sadly she did not come to my place but it was just a matter of time. Which I didn't have as it was my last night. We agreed she to come to me in El Nido for 3-4 days and we even agreed on which date.

I was in El Nido next day, literally buying the ticket on my phone, when another 22 year old Angel finally text me that she is coming to me. She was from the Palawan island. Then it was quite an awkward situation with the girl from Manila but I was honest and just told her the situation. She was too good a girl, she didn't deserve to be lied to with nonsense. Then in El Nido with the other freelancer I spend probably the best time of my mongering life LOL.

My point is that for some reason in Manila for me it was almost a disaster. And as I said, I know what I'm doing and I always have pretty good success all over the world. But in Manila, for me it didn't worked. And then the coin flips and it becomes one of my most memorable trips! So I'm' pretty happy to hear that in fact things are happening in Manila, it was just my bad luck, overconfidence and lack of enough time to make it good.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3031590]Nice report, I want to say only 2 things:

1. Building relationships online weeks before arrival does not apply to the PH. Everything is instant.

2. I don't think Tinder is the right platform for PH. Personally I'm using DIA and PL, and to lesser success FB. Other members may correct me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]Agree, it's always good to read warts and all reports. It's pretty normal to have good days and bad days. Good to read that his stay worked out well in the end.

1/. Agree. Planning ahead can attract the girls looking for sponsors without even meeting. No show rates for 'next month' are extremely high. Good girls don't trust promises to meet 'later'. Nawty girls want a customer now.

2. PL is my go to. FB walkers are a waste of time. Good girls are better organically walking around during the day. 10's are on IG but be prepared for the attitude.

[QUOTE=Yendappu;3031596]Thanks for your detailed report. Did you not hit the LA cafe? I don't like BF, but LA cafe certainly has good options. I haven't tasted online options but read and seen mc, escortsitemakati has good options. I do agree, putting some effort ahead of travel, collecting all the potential options but not necessarily reaching out and lining up your options ahead of time is a good strategy.[/QUOTE]Is escortsitemakati reliable? I was scrolling through it for my upcoming trip, but wasn't sure because of the endless scrolling and website design. Could the learned counsel share its experience?

Cheers!

Thanks for this nice and short list of action points in Manila.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3031000]I think we may have been wrong in presenting Burgos as the only option to find hotties and to get laid in Manila. It certainly isn't. There are many ways and places to find girls of all descriptions. However, unless you have an extensive contacts list, you do need some way to connect with said girls. That's where the cost comes in. It could be monetary or time cost but I don't know anywhere we can just turn up and start fucking with out some form of exchange.

Here are some options, from $$ to $ that you may want to also consider.

Burgos: already covered extensively. Basically designed for guys who have more money than time. 10 k LT*.

Makati / Poblacion night club freelancers: some stunning girls but they will know their value. It can take time to find what you want and have her agree to come with you. 5-15 k LT.

Same clubs but part timers or civilians. Much less mercenary and can be equally as good looking. Game is needed and expect to be buying her drinks and investing time. Her time can cost half of the professional or even free. 0-4 k LT..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3031590]Nice report, I want to say only 2 things:

1. Building relationships online weeks before arrival does not apply to the PH. Everything is instant.

2. I don't think Tinder is the right platform for PH. Personally I'm using DIA and PL, and to lesser success FB. Other members may correct me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]This time while I'm in the Philippines I'll try DIA and PL. I underestimate them it seems. FB is not my thing, I can't even force myself to open the app on my phone. But DIA and PL will be tested, I'm curious how they will work.

BTW allow me to disagree about the relationships weeks before coming. Its nice way to build a contact base. The trick in my opinion is not to over-text, just few jokes for 2-3 days, to feel the girl and she to feel you. If she is a good lucking girl, then she can choose from huge selection of horny men. I'm always amazed what a constant explosion of notification is the phone of a good lucking girl. So for me few days of chatting is the way to how to say, lets called it to stand out from the herd. If you can, sometimes its pretty hard and you need a lot of luck.

Then "my receipt" LOL is after 2-3 days of chatting, I'm keeping the fire with occasional messages once per 3-4 days. And the whole process in my opinion must not start more than one month before arrival. The sweet spot I think is 2-3 weeks but I'm always impatient and I start doing it 4-5 weeks before arrival. But yeah, just building the base and then when you arrive, then its the "Everything is instant" phase. Things are happening super fast and most of the times the way you didn't even expected. In bad and good ways LOL.

Having said that, its my way of doing things. A lot of paths are leading to the legs of the local girls, that's what I'm using. And for some reason it didn't worked in Manila. But lets say it was a one time bad luck situation, now in Cebu will try it again. If its now working there, then it seems my strategy is not working in Philippines and I have to adapt LOL.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;3031654]This time while I'm in the Philippines I'll try DIA and PL. I underestimate them it seems. FB is not my thing, I can't even force myself to open the app on my phone. But DIA and PL will be tested, I'm curious how they will work.

BTW allow me to disagree about the relationships weeks before coming. Its nice way to build a contact base. The trick in my opinion is not to over-text, just few jokes for 2-3 days, to feel the girl and she to feel you. If she is a good lucking girl, then she can choose from huge selection of horny men. I'm always amazed what a constant explosion of notification is the phone of a good lucking girl. So for me few days of chatting is the way to how to say, lets called it to stand out from the herd. If you can, sometimes its pretty hard and you need a lot of luck.

Then "my receipt" LOL is after 2-3 days of chatting, I'm keeping the fire with occasional messages once per 3-4 days. And the whole process in my opinion must not start more than one month before arrival. The sweet spot I think is 2-3 weeks but I'm always impatient and I start doing it 4-5 weeks before arrival. But yeah, just building the base and then when you arrive, then its the "Everything is instant" phase. Things are happening super fast and most of the times the way you didn't even expected. In bad and good ways LOL.

Having said that, its my way of doing things. A lot of paths are leading to the legs of the local girls, that's what I'm using. And for some reason it didn't worked in Manila. But lets say it was a one time bad luck situation, now in Cebu will try it again. If its now working there, then it seems my strategy is not working in Philippines and I have to adapt LOL.[/QUOTE]It's up to you of course, but my advice is to browse if you want, but don't engage, most likely nothing good will come out of it. The hookers use the apps like an ATM, for instant withdrawal, not for the next week improbable deposit. You may burn some bridges by engaging too soon, or setup yourself for scams.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;3031654]This time while I'm in the Philippines I'll try DIA and PL. I underestimate them it seems. FB is not my thing, I can't even force myself to open the app on my phone. But DIA and PL will be tested, I'm curious how they will work.[/QUOTE]I suggest TanTan app, I have more success with it, but there is a high number of ladyboys there.

[QUOTE=NvRoberto;3029204]Sharing a good contact I have in Manila. Yes, pricier than your P. Burgos Street girl, but I have rarely been disappointed by the ladies. Ask to see the girls of Solemn Massage and ask for the VIP sex package (ya, not very discreet but you'll get the FS without the lame massage).[/QUOTE]What was the duration? 1 hour? What do you think is the possibility of arranging something outside their working times?

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3031892]What was the duration? 1 hour? What do you think is the possibility of arranging something outside their working times?[/QUOTE]Jimmy, there is always a way of arranging extracurricular activities with girls to cut out the middle men and everyone else taking a cut.

Keep in mind, they know how much you're willing to pay in the first place.

Having said that, if a girl needs 3 k right now, she'll work out a way to get it.

That is, unless you're an ass / arse hole.

_ Phil.

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3031612]Is escortsitemakati reliable? I was scrolling through it for my upcoming trip, but wasn't sure because of the endless scrolling and website design. Could the learned counsel share its experience? Cheers![/QUOTE]Hi Oxy,

If you'll be in Makati you'll have pussy on your doorstep.

I think you'll find you'll have a lot more immediate options logging into Pina Love when you arrive and at a much better price, especially for over-nighters and long time options.

Or, hit the street. You won't go home alone in Makati.

(Just make sure it doesn't have a pair of knackers).

Just my experience_ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3031903]Hi Oxy,

If you'll be in Makati you'll have pussy on your doorstep.

I think you'll find you'll have a lot more immediate options logging into Pina Love when you arrive and at a much better price, especially for over-nighters and long time options.

Or, hit the street. You won't go home alone in Makati.

(Just make sure it doesn't have a pair of knackers).

Just my experience_ Phil.[/QUOTE]Thanks Philly,

PL will be my first option for sure. Just looking out for a rainy day (figuratively) just in case. I will be there for 6 days (my first trip to PH) in the last week of October and want to make the most of it. From what I've read, PH is a different ball game compared to TH, Indonesia, UK or even Dubai, where I've had several encounters. So looking forward.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3031903]

I think you'll find you'll have a lot more immediate options logging into Pina Love when you arrive and at a much better price, especially for over-nighters and long time options.

[/QUOTE]The online escort sites are typically the same girls anyway. Just a subset of the bar girls with shorter bookings and higher prices.

The exception would be the Members or VIP sections that do have stunning girls but at eye watering prices. 25 k per hour isn't unusual. There will be some form of sign-up to the site to even see them. Regular girls are 5 k and up per hour.

G.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3031892]What was the duration? 1 hour? What do you think is the possibility of arranging something outside their working times?[/QUOTE]Typically Filippinas are not clock watchers. However, unfortunately, massage houses do charge by the hour so they do watch how long the girls are taking regardless of if it's a legit massage or has extras.

Most massage shops have an in room option for a two hour minimum and what happens in your room is between the two of you. Note that some hotels have their own spas so don't allow outside masseuses inside so check first.

Some girls will pass on their number to meet out of hours. It does happen but it's not a certainty. Some girls won't or some shops don't allow it and monitor where the girls are.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3031965]The online escort sites are typically the same girls anyway. Just a subset of the bar girls with shorter bookings and higher prices.

The exception would be the Members or VIP sections that do have stunning girls but at eye watering prices. 25 k per hour isn't unusual. There will be some form of sign-up to the site to even see them. Regular girls are 5 k and up per hour.

G.[/QUOTE]I'm "friends", as much as you can be with the 2 best looking girls from 123 in AC, for many years now, Niki and Eva, they are sweet, but hard pros. They advertise on multiple platforms, and while in the bar, that's what they are constantly scrolling on their phones, not tiktok like the rest of the girls, and because of their status in the bar, and no mamasan affiliation, they can come and go to their liking. We used to go to Megadance, even during their shift at 123, and while I was the forward base with the beers on the table, they were constantly scanning the dance floor for potential victims, or going back and forward to 123, many of their friends were joining us at our table, all good looking. I had guys asking me on many occasions, "man! What's your deal hanging around with so many beauties?" I wasn't even paying for the drinks.

So here you have a perfect, verified example of the same girls moving around in all the markets, street, bar, club, online.

I said they were sweet, because lots of times with one or both we ended up in my apartment, where they liked to rummage thru my fridge, that was always full of food, then fuck afterwards, no money.

This year I didn't see them around no more, probably somebody "wifed" them.

Because they were at ease around me, I can tell you that they were as sophisticated as any western women, expensive skin lotions, spa treatments, hair salons, sexy, but not trashy clothes, knew how to act in a restaurant, and weirdly, if staying at my place overnight on Saturday, they always went to church Sunday morning.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3032324]Niki and Eva, they are sweet, but hard pros...

This year I didn't see them around no more, probably somebody "wifed" them.[/QUOTE]No harm in that. I actually enjoy girls who unashamedly know their role and are good at it. Saves so many mind games.

Save A Hoe's always piss me off. Years ago, I had the ideal set up: dated a hooker; when I was in town, she stayed with me and rocked my world cash free; when I was away, it was don't ask don't tell on both sides. After I took her on a holiday for a week, some fuckwit got jealous, married her and wisked her off to Vietnam. That put and end to a good thing for me.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3032335]No harm in that. I actually enjoy girls who unashamedly know their role and are good at it. Saves so many mind games.

Save A Hoe's always piss me off. Years ago, I had the ideal set up: dated a hooker; when I was in town, she stayed with me and rocked my world cash free; when I was away, it was don't ask don't tell on both sides. After I took her on a holiday for a week, some fuckwit got jealous, married her and wisked her off to Vietnam. That put and end to a good thing for me..[/QUOTE]There was a friend of a friend who was sexy as hell. She would tease me but never did anything because she had a foreigner BF. One day she approaches me and says she will blow and fuck me! Unbeknownst to me she had broken up with her BF for a few months. For a few months we fucked off and on. Then one day she says she is back with him and she can only blow me! 4 months later she is married to him and off to Europe she goes.

I found quite a few bargirls just doing drinks only and staying loyal to their foreigner BF.

I wish I had the luck you fellas have. Bit worried that I will not be able to find anyone in Manila. Woe is me.

70 lb-er has moved her hand down. . . There. . .

What does that mean!?

She got them cute fossae zambales thingys also.

The see**t who ripped me off three weeks' ago at my hotel in Malate, showed up on Telegram so I thought I'd have some fun and send her to a dummy booking out at the airport, where I was staying supposedly. Early on in the chat I told her my hotel, then after numerous other messages and different photos than she'd sent me on my previous real booking, I edited the hotel name to another one near the airport. She didn't even realise and said 'I made a mistake' and apologised. So off she trots to hotel number two. Up to the room, which she told me didn't exist. Oh, what a pity! Was I being a bit of a see**t too? Probably. Felt like a bit of a re-balancing of the scales, anyway.

edit. the starred word begins with a 'c' not 'see'. weird auto-correction...

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3032550]Felt like a bit of a re-balancing of the scales, anyway.[/QUOTE]Dang shame that happened to her MM. Unfortunate.

There is often a feeling that grifters get away with everything, especially in a foreign country. But they on occasion pay a price like the one above. The occasional arrest, incarceration, or a beat-down from an angry client whom she stole from*. Persons in such biz mark it up as a cost of doing biz. The grifter's occasional financial or time loss. If the grifter him / her self gets grifted or loses money on the endeavor (ie, the client wises up and turns the tables), they are not gnashing their teeth; they are just waiting for the next attempt to grift.

Many illicit activities are this way. On occasion we see that the government in your country has seized a large shipment of drugs, worth in the millions of dollars on the street. LE will take a victory lap, claiming that the drugs are off the street, and the cartels face a financial calamity. It feels good, but its not really true. Correct in that the drugs are (temporarily) off the street, but incorrect on the amount of money that the cartel has lost, and does not mention how easy it is for the cartel to reproduce the bad act. As drugs have high markup value (profit), the cartel only loses the actual expenses of producing and transporting the product (considerably less than the millions of street dollars that they might have brought to the cartel). The small cost or reproducing / re-transporting new product will be recouped in the next successful shipment. LE and the media rarely discuss this.

Grifting is much the same way. Mongering is not unlike this: You must expect negative experiences sometimes, they are the cost of the endeavor.

* Do [B]NOT[/B] do this.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3032550]edit. the starred word begins with a 'c' not 'see'. weird auto-correction...[/QUOTE]A be see the E F G H I J K L M and O P Q are S T you V W X why Z.

Now you can see what the autocorrect does to each letter. You can fix it once you post it, by editing the post, then click Save Changes. See below:

C = see.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3032575]A be see the E F G H I J K L M and O P Q are S T you V W X why Z.

Now you can see what the autocorrect does to each letter. You can fix it once you post it, by editing the post, then click Save Changes. See below:

C = see.[/QUOTE]Thanks WC for the edit tip.

BTW if anyone wants to send the 'see you en tea' on a fruitless outcall, drop me a message for her number!

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3032613]Thanks WC for the edit tip.

BTW if anyone wants to send the 'see you en tea' on a fruitless outcall, drop me a message for her number![/QUOTE]My two missions in life: 1) Vax all the ladies; and 2) Get all the ladies to say to me: "Useful Tip".

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3032550]The see**t who ripped me off three weeks' ago at my hotel in Malate, showed up on Telegram so I thought I'd have some fun and send her to a dummy booking out at the airport, where I was staying supposedly. Early on in the chat I told her my hotel, then after numerous other messages and different photos than she'd sent me on my previous real booking, I edited the hotel name to another one near the airport. She didn't even realise and said 'I made a mistake' and apologised. So off she trots to hotel number two. Up to the room, which she told me didn't exist. Oh, what a pity! Was I being a bit of a see**t too? Probably. Felt like a bit of a re-balancing of the scales, anyway.

edit. the starred word begins with a 'c' not 'see'. weird auto-correction...[/QUOTE]I like it. Please repeat it a few more times.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3032615]My two missions in life: 1) Vax all the ladies; and 2) Get all the ladies to say to me: "Useful Tip".[/QUOTE]LOL.

Just the tip, as F Zappa used to say.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3032560] Mongering is not unlike this: You must expect negative experiences sometimes, they are the cost of the endeavor. [/QUOTE]And a great learning experience Westie.

From the newcomers, to the experienced, we will always get learn from the 'mistakes' we have made.

Over time, I've found that the best approach is to be the boss, name the price and call the shots. In a nice way.

If they don't agree, I'll move on to the next cutie who will.

Not really surprising that when you give one 'the flick', all of a sudden they message you wanting to catch up.

By that stage, I've generally moved on to a better option.

_Phil.

I'll be staying in BGC and *might* need the services of a WG in a massage shop (I am disappointed by the in-call bait and switchers, and their attitude) if my other efforts fall through. I know it's a pretty upscale area, and that even in Makati massage shops are usually clean, but are there any sex-positive shops in BGC where I can see my girl before I pick her and pretend to get a massage in a private on-site room?

I have come across few under premium sections of MC and some other online sites asking anywhere from 10 K-25 k, but few days back was puzzled when someone from FB (influencer Grace V) asked me 150 k for 3 hrs- almost choked, not sure what she is smoking. Asked her if it was typo and meant 15 k, she had the audacity of saying no, my price is 150 k. She looks normal, little on chubbier side, but certainly not worth more than 10 k. May be it was her way of saying no to me LOL!. Most of my good experiences were from MC, I haven't tried smooci yet, there are couple of options that I may try.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3031965]The online escort sites are typically the same girls anyway. Just a subset of the bar girls with shorter bookings and higher prices.

The exception would be the Members or VIP sections that do have stunning girls but at eye watering prices. 25 k per hour isn't unusual. There will be some form of sign-up to the site to even see them. Regular girls are 5 k and up per hour.

G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yendappu;3032901]I have come across few under premium sections of MC and some other online sites asking anywhere from 10 K-25 k, but few days back was puzzled when someone from FB (influencer Grace V) asked me 150 k for 3 hrs- almost choked, not sure what she is smoking. Asked her if it was typo and meant 15 k, she had the audacity of saying no, my price is 150 k. She looks normal, little on chubbier side, but certainly not worth more than 10 k. May be it was her way of saying no to me LOL!. Most of my good experiences were from MC, I haven't tried smooci yet, there are couple of options that I may try.[/QUOTE]The max, I ever paid and I'm willing to pay in any 3rd world country is 100 $, and I'm so cheap that I'm doing it only under special circumstances, or extraordinary time constrains.

My ongoing rate is 0-2 k if money needs to be paid.

Back in the USA the max I ever paid was $300, and that's only lately for what used to cost $100 not to long ago.

What the heck can any girl do for $3 k? brain surgery cost less than that.

I don't think you are being cheap here, I am with you and don't want to pay more than 6 k and that's max, probably as gold is skyrocketing, they think their pussy = gold.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3032942]The max, I ever paid and I'm willing to pay in any 3rd world country is 100 $, and I'm so cheap that I'm doing it only under special circumstances, or extraordinary time constrains.

My ongoing rate is 0-2 k if money needs to be paid.

Back in the USA the max I ever paid was $300, and that's only lately for what used to cost $100 not to long ago.

What the heck can any girl do for $3 k? brain surgery cost less than that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3032942]The max, I ever paid and I'm willing to pay in any 3rd world country is 100 $, and I'm so cheap that I'm doing it only under special circumstances, or extraordinary time constrains.

My ongoing rate is 0-2 k if money needs to be paid.

Back in the USA the max I ever paid was $300, and that's only lately for what used to cost $100 not to long ago.

What the heck can any girl do for $3 k? brain surgery cost less than that.[/QUOTE]Agreed. About 100 bucks is standard for Asia. My question though is you quoted 300 dollars in US? You mean not overweight or a skank or a crack working girl under 30 for 300 bucks. Oh please please tell me where that is and Ill stop dropping a ton of money going to Asia. A few others have said things like this before, did I ever hear anything back. No. Please PM me if you have details.

I had an awesome 2 weeks trip in Manila. It was sex mongering, work and tourism. I sourced most of my ladies either from MC, DIA, and no luck from FB (either found out they were ladyboys, or they ghosted me or asked me exorbitant $$.

I stayed at a 5 star hotel in Manila bay and very close to Midnight Cafe. Went to the cafe few times but didn't like any, maybe my timing was a bit off.

Lets start with the girls from MC.

1. Regina was great we had couple of rounds of sex. Blowjob without condom and sex with condom (I preferred it with condom, didn't wanted to seed any babies that I couldn't take care of LOL).

2. Yumi was good too, but she was small and wasn't giving me full access probably my dick was little too big for her, other than that she was nice. We had two rounds and she left happily.

3. Pamela was little off from her pictures, and I think she has put good amount of weight and showed up without any makeup, sent her back after one round. Actually I couldn't even come.

4. Shyra. I had scheduled her, but was told she no longer works for that agency.

5. Just 18 yr old which I had liked but I was little hesitant and didn't want any questionable borderline age girl. So dropped that idea.

All these girls from MC were 5 k and my overall experience with MC had been decent, they were prompt with communication.

As I was staying in the same hotel with my work colleagues I didn't go to lobby to pick any girls and hotel was really nice handling it. They always called me when the girl arrived and called me to make sure before they left.

I will add non-MC on my next post.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;3033328]Agreed. About 100 bucks is standard for Asia. My question though is you quoted 300 dollars in US? You mean not overweight or a skank or a crack working girl under 30 for 300 bucks. Oh please please tell me where that is and Ill stop dropping a ton of money going to Asia. A few others have said things like this before, did I ever hear anything back. No. Please PM me if you have details.[/QUOTE]In Vegas, but now I lost track of it since I moved to PH. And since the Backpage and Craigslist got taken down you have to go by recommendations only, for home visits, but forget the overnight unless you're prepared to spend big bucks.

The girls in all the massage places in Chinatown will fuck you for $2-300/ HR. Also go look for dilapidated shopping malls with a massage parlor attached to them, that's where you're going to get serviced the best.

For FLs go to the Harras bar on the strip after 2 AM.

Skanks you'll find walking on the street on Tropicana, between the Orleans Casino and the Strip, day and night.

Do not call the advertised services it's all scams.

Hi.

I'm in Manila now and recall people mentioning another bar near Midnight Haven that has some FLs. Can someone please remind me of the name so I can check it out tonight?

I have already been to MH but don't fancy just walking around there trying to find it as the area is quite sketchy.

I'll do a full report of my trip once I'm finished.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;3033754]Hi.

I'm in Manila now and recall people mentioning another bar near Midnight Haven that has some FLs. Can someone please remind me of the name so I can check it out tonight?

I have already been to MH but don't fancy just walking around there trying to find it as the area is quite sketchy.

I'll do a full report of my trip once I'm finished.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]The bars up and down the street to some extent, and ZZYZX. You're in Manila, the whole place is sketchy.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3032512]I wish I had the luck you fellas have. Bit worried that I will not be able to find anyone in Manila. Woe is me.

70 lb-er has moved her hand down. . . There. . .

What does that mean!?

She got them cute fossae zambales thingys also.[/QUOTE]I swear that looks like the girl I banged in Manila too! What was your girl's name?

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3033768]The bars up and down the street to some extent, and ZZYZX. You're in Manila, the whole place is sketchy.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

Some further googling and I think the bar I was referring to was the Dusk Til Dawn Bar. I will check it out this evening.

In terms of sketchiness I found that bit just outside MH to be quite bad. The area I'm staying iin Makati is fine and I can walk around without being approached by aggressive beggars. P Burgos St feels ok to me as I tipped a couple of the bar security guys and told them to keep an eye out for me when I'm drunk LOL.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;3033754]Hi.

I'm in Manila now and recall people mentioning another bar near Midnight Haven that has some FLs. Can someone please remind me of the name so I can check it out tonight?

I have already been to MH but don't fancy just walking around there trying to find it as the area is quite sketchy.

[/QUOTE]G-Point Bar, 3-4 long blocks north from Midnight Haven. G-P is also a haven for older ladies. Located on Padre Faura St, between Mabini and Adriatico Streets, next door to a 7-11. Most nights a live band, and 5-15 ladies of all sizes, mostly age 35+. Good food selection. A smorgasbord eat-all-you-can joint, opening for the lunch hour about 11 am for a set price. About 3 pm they remove any leftover food trays and it becomes a regular-menu resto / bar again (good pinoy and non-pinoy menu selection). The girls start showing up around 4-7 pm. I find the place to be bottom of the barrel in terms of girls, and the prices usually reflect that. However other gents reported finding the occasional gem.

ZYZX is a disco, and in the opposite direction from Midnight Haven (head south), in the Remedios Circle. This is a rich filipino disco, and not really a mongering joint.

See pic.

The entire area is sketchy, dark and poorly-lit streets at night, loads of homeless sleeping on the streets, food vendors, etc. I love it. Its also within walking distance of Cowboy Grille, a large resto/bar with 1-2 different live bands each night.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3033785]G-Point Bar, 3-4 long blocks north from Midnight Haven. G-P is also a haven for older ladies. Located on Padre Faura St, between Mabini and Adriatico Streets, next door to a 7-11. Most nights a live band, and 5-15 ladies of all sizes, mostly age 35+. Good food selection. A smorgasbord eat-all-you-can joint, opening for the lunch hour about 11 am for a set price. About 3 pm they remove any leftover food trays and it becomes a regular-menu resto / bar again (good pinoy and non-pinoy menu selection). The girls start showing up around 4-7 pm. I find the place to be bottom of the barrel in terms of girls, and the prices usually reflect that. However other gents reported finding the occasional gem.

ZYZX is a disco, and in the opposite direction from Midnight Haven (head south), in the Remedios Circle. This is a rich filipino disco, and not really a mongering joint.

See pic.

The entire area is sketchy, dark and poorly-lit streets at night, loads of homeless sleeping on the streets, food vendors, etc. I love it. Its also within walking distance of Cowboy Grille, a large resto/bar with 1-2 different live bands each night.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

I'm not in the mood for something like ZYZX even though I have heard that there are FLs there as well.

Yes, it's the fact that it's so darkly lit which makes it feel particularly sketchy around there. I can cope with it, I just didn't want to be walking around there looking lost because then you invite the homeless to come and try and 'assist' you LOL. I'm happy to go as long as I know exactly where I am headed.

Of all the years I've been, I have never pulled anyone or seen anything to my liking at G-point, but I still drop by every now and then to take a look. There use to be many bars down there that I pulled from, but they are all gone since covid. You may have better luck taking a look outside robinsons, or just outside MH.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;3033813]Yes, it's the fact that it's so darkly lit which makes it feel particularly sketchy around there. I can cope with it, I just didn't want to be walking around there looking lost because then you invite the homeless to come and try and 'assist' you LOL. I'm happy to go as long as I know exactly where I am headed.[/QUOTE]Slightly enlarged map view attached. Other items of interest in the area: Cowboy Grill location; pop, rock, and on occasion some metal. Other live band place, 1 or 2 bands nightly, Calle Cinco on Mabini (same music types). And Chill's Bar, on Bocobo St (across the street from Birch Tower condo), just across Pedro Gil St and 75 meters from Robinson's; has live band usually a guy playing guitar and a gal singing soft love songs. None of these places are mongering places, just a place to take a date and tap your toes.

The Robinson's girls are either outside on steps at Pedro Gil St, corner Adriatico St, in front of Arya Resto at Robinson's. Alternately during the daytime some girls might be on patrol inside the mall, near the Starbucks on the ground floor. None of these girls are usually lookers.

[QUOTE=Transporter;3033823]Of all the years I've been, I have never pulled anyone or seen anything to my liking at G-point, but I still drop by every now and then to take a look. There use to be many bars down there that I pulled from, but they are all gone since covid.[/QUOTE]Hussy's bar. Didn't make it past covid. Old location shown on the map on Del Pilar. Mostly older gals, almost all 30+ years old (some in their 50's). LT barfine was p1500, and I pulled several gals out of there. They not only stayed overnight and provided 2 pops, some stayed into the afternoon and provided unli. They had little desire to return to the bar in the morning (some lived on the premises in the back). I found what I considered a gem, a twiglet that I took several times. Said she was 32, but ID showed her as 38. As long as Jollibee was provided evening and morning, she couldn't / wouldn't close her legs, nor could she stop snapping pics of herself. She is posted several times in the PG.

There were times that I landed at NAIA, spent the first night at Eurotel on Pedro Gil, and have dinner in Robinson's. Then walk directly to Hussy's, point at the least ugly girl in the place (if the gem was not there), barfine her on the spot (no drink or LD required), take her back to Eurotel and bang one out. Just to discombobulate myself and drop all of life's stress, and think clearly again. I was just not in the mood to hit LA Cafe or such and negotiate. Hussy's was close, always had girls, and the girls tended to have no rules or confinements.

Ahhhh. . . The good-old / bad-old days.

Guess I heaped little too much praise for MC, I ordered another girl from MC, I was debating between Selena vs Jewel but ended up getting Selena. I kept the money on the table once she arrived. She looked same as the picture was decent. Only reason I got her was she was busty, but she didn't allow me to suck saying she is sensitive I did overlook that, but she gave decent blowjob. But when we were about the start the action, she said she needs to go to bathroom. I should have sensed the red flag. She came back and we started fucking, within few seconds I felt little too frictionless. I stopped and check and she was on her period. I was pissed off and stopped and asked why she didn't tell me before, and she requested me not to call the agency or they will fine her.

I hit up the agency, not tryna get played, and said I ain't paying for something I didn't get. The agency girl was like, "Why'the you push for your own condom?" and I'm over here like, "what's that got to do with her period?" LOL.

Anyway they did refund the amount and paid the girl 500 pesos for her transport but within few minutes they blocked my ID.

[QUOTE=Yendappu;3033455]I had an awesome 2 weeks trip in Manila. It was sex mongering, work and tourism. I sourced most of my ladies either from MC, DIA, and no luck from FB (either found out they were ladyboys, or they ghosted me or asked me exorbitant $$.

I stayed at a 5 star hotel in Manila bay and very close to Midnight Cafe. Went to the cafe few times but didn't like any, maybe my timing was a bit off.

Lets start with the girls from MC.

1. Regina was great we had couple of rounds of sex. Blowjob without condom and sex with condom (I preferred it with condom, didn't wanted to seed any babies that I couldn't take care of LOL).

2. Yumi was good too, but she was small and wasn't giving me full access probably my dick was little too big for her, other than that she was nice. We had two rounds and she left happily.

3. Pamela was little off from her pictures, and I think she has put good amount of weight and showed up without any makeup, sent her back after one round. Actually I couldn't even come.

4. Shyra. I had scheduled her, but was told she no longer works for that agency.

5. Just 18 yr old which I had liked but I was little hesitant and didn't want any questionable borderline age girl. So dropped that idea.

All these girls from MC were 5 k and my overall experience with MC had been decent, they were prompt with communication.

As I was staying in the same hotel with my work colleagues I didn't go to lobby to pick any girls and hotel was really nice handling it. They always called me when the girl arrived and called me to make sure before they left.

I will add non-MC on my next post.[/QUOTE]

Province girl busses to the city to visit with Westy. Again. Cute with a bangin' little bod, this time she earns a new Techno. What a man puts up with in Phils.

Remember, Thailand is open.

[QUOTE=Yendappu;3031596]Thanks for your detailed report. Did you not hit the LA cafe? I don't like BF, but LA cafe certainly has good options. I haven't tasted online options but read and seen mc, escortsitemakati has good options. I do agree, putting some effort ahead of travel, collecting all the potential options but not necessarily reaching out and lining up your options ahead of time is a good strategy.[/QUOTE]I am glad to hear that someone mentioned LA Cafe as that is my "go-to" as soon as I hit the streets. Excellent options, and the ladies seem to be drama-free. Does anyone else have thoughts on such?

N_R.

[QUOTE=Yendappu;3034178]Guess I heaped little too much praise for MC, I ordered another girl from MC, I was debating between Selena vs Jewel but ended up getting Selena. I kept the money on the table once she arrived. She looked same as the picture was decent. Only reason I got her was she was busty, but she didn't allow me to suck saying she is sensitive I did overlook that, but she gave decent blowjob. But when we were about the start the action, she said she needs to go to bathroom. I should have sensed the red flag. She came back and we started fucking, within few seconds I felt little too frictionless. I stopped and check and she was on her period. I was pissed off and stopped and asked why she didn't tell me before, and she requested me not to call the agency or they will fine her. I hit up the agency, not tryna get played, and said I ain't paying for something I didn't get. The agency girl was like, "Why'the you push for your own condom?" and I'm over here like, "what's that got to do with her period?" LOL. Anyway they did refund the amount and paid the girl 500 pesos for her transport but within few minutes they blocked my ID.[/QUOTE]Just to let you know that MC and the like make up less than 1% of the online action in manila. LMK if you want to expand your online farming I might be able to steer you into some new pastures.

[QUOTE=Transporter;3034718]Just to let you know that MC and the like make up less than 1% of the online action in manila. LMK if you want to expand your online farming I might be able to steer you into some new pastures.[/QUOTE]Some new pastures beyond the big dating sites like PL and DIA?

[QUOTE=ThomasCasey;3034720]Some new pastures beyond the big dating sites like PL and DIA?[/QUOTE]I can't really say that dating sites are not good, as I haven't been on one for over 15 years, but Yes, although dating sites are fun in itself, it takes to much effort, and I am lazy and more into instant gratification.

I did get couple of ladies from DIA, haven't wrote a detailed report. I haven't tried PL. As I didn't want to leave any digital traces since it requires CC for subscription. It did require some effort, not a lot, but weeding out is a big hassle as I didn't have much patience and time. I didn't try some action in Malls.

[QUOTE=Transporter;3034718]Just to let you know that MC and the like make up less than 1% of the online action in manila. LMK if you want to expand your online farming I might be able to steer you into some new pastures.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yendappu;3034816]I did get couple of ladies from DIA, haven't wrote a detailed report. I haven't tried PL. As I didn't want to leave any digital traces since it requires CC for subscription. It did require some effort, not a lot, but weeding out is a big hassle as I didn't have much patience and time. I didn't try some action in Malls.[/QUOTE]Most guys operate parallel 'travel' accounts. Depending on your needs these could be email, Socials, phone, financial accounts etc. These give both annonimity from prying eyes at home and separation from endless sick buffalo requests. I don't even turn on my travel phone when I'm home. If your worried about CC footprint, perhaps consider intermediary financial products: prepaid debit cards; Wise travel cards; remittance services etc.

For those guys seeking point and shoot, without the hassle of triaging online sites, then cash really is the great introduction agent. I know it dramatically improves my attractiveness to women when coffees, dates and dinners are too much effort.

[QUOTE=Transporter;3034732]I can't really say that dating sites are not good, as I haven't been on one for over 15 years, but Yes, although dating sites are fun in itself, it takes to much effort, and I am lazy and more into instant gratification.[/QUOTE]Previously I was the resident fanboy for online but I will admit that changed last trip. The level of girls online who are only seeking sponsors is off the charts. Many have no intention of meeting guys let alone fucking them in return for the payment. LDRs are just a screen for the guy sending money for essentially nothing in return. Let's not forget that she's likely speaking to hundreds of guys and receiving cash from several despite promises of being the one and only.

Don't get me wrong. I met some great girls and had a lot of fun but remember there are many more sharks out there now and being in country when making first contact is no longer certain to have her jumping into a taxi to see you as it was.

Enjoy. G.

A couple days before hitting Manila, I was lining up some ladies I found online. One girl hit me back in minutes: "Can you send advance money? Got to pay college tomorrow, short on cash. ".

Hell no—service first, cash never. Pinay girls are infamous for begging allowances.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3034873]Previously I was the resident fanboy for online but I will admit that changed last trip. The level of girls online who are only seeking sponsors is off the charts. Many have no intention of meeting guys let alone fucking them in return for the payment. LDRs are just a screen for the guy sending money for essentially nothing in return. Let's not forget that she's likely speaking to hundreds of guys and receiving cash from several despite promises of being the one and only.

Don't get me wrong. I met some great girls and had a lot of fun but remember there are many more sharks out there now and being in country when making first contact is no longer certain to have her jumping into a taxi to see you as it was.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yendappu;3034877]A couple days before hitting Manila, I was lining up some ladies I found online. One girl hit me back in minutes: "Can you send advance money? Got to pay college tomorrow, short on cash. ".

Hell noservice first, cash never. Pinay girls are infamous for begging allowances.[/QUOTE]Why not? From their perspective there's zero downside for begging. You don't get what you don't ask for, and maybe 20% of the time, BOOM! Simp sends cash.

[QUOTE=FutureDeadGuy;3034879]Why not? From their perspective there's zero downside for begging. You don't get what you don't ask for, and maybe 20% of the time, BOOM! Simp sends cash.[/QUOTE]20% of 50 messages a day is a lot of cash for zero effort.

And here I am wondering why she won't fuck me senseless all night for $40. 🤦8205;9794;65039;.

G.

Moved to Manila thread. OAU your post in the PG, #10341, with the pics. The pic of the girl licking your rod, about to suck, those pics do something to me. Couple of such archived pics from some of my Manila girls, and other girls I brought to Manila. Enjoy.

Hey, Wanted to share my experience of visiting Philippines in Aug. I had enrolled in pinalove well before visiting Philippines. Spoke to around 15 girls online.

Day 1: Met girl 1, She has a daughter. Met her in Starbucks and asked if she wanted to hangout at my place. She was fine with it, We moved to my place and had a take away of jollybee. She was showing affection right from the cab itself. After reaching my Airbnb, we watched tv for sometime. Soon we were hugging and kissing each other. She looked super horny, lowered her top and caressed her small boobs. We moved to the bed and I had amazing BBBJ and sex in multiple positions. I have never had sex so early on a date.

Day 2: Met another girl 23 yrs around. She wanted to have some allowance for meeting, Promised her 3 k. We met at a restaurant and were happy with each other company, She allowed me to hangout at her place, We made out a little, but no sex, She allowed me access to her boobs but wasn't ready for sex. She wanted more of a relationship. Gave her 3 k.

Day 4: We went to siargao for visit, Awesome place to be. Used tinder and found one girl. She quoted 6 k. She gave a nice GFE experience, but I felt it was little expensive for her. She had round ass, allowed me to drill her for longtime.

I would love to go back again, ,lots more to explore there. Girls are too easy to get, sometimes free also.

Friends and Family program is going well.

The other week 2 girls were brought over by a friend. I knew they were a secret lesbian couple working at a bar. Same routine where one would be in the CR while the other one would be getting the pounding and the rotate to the CR. The 2 girls were giggling like schools and then one went to the CR. During foreplay with the one the CR girl would open the door, poke her head in and say something. Quite disruptive and I told her to shut the door and to shut up. It happens a few more times and gets the bed girl giggling while I am now entering her and I lose train of thought and get mad about it.

I stop and literally tell them to pack it up and leave without any payment. P150 for the trike. No discussions.

First time I had to unfriend someone! And kick them off the F & F plan.

I was talking to one of the girl I met from cityoflove, she was telling me about her sister who was also a provider at MC (she showed her pics, and looked very pretty), who doesn't work anymore as American Gringo pays her 100 k per month while she is awaiting her processing to go to USA. Lucky for her and one less lady for us.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3034897]20% of 50 messages a day is a lot of cash for zero effort.

And here I am wondering why she won't fuck me senseless all night for $40. 🤦8205;9794;65039;.

G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3034962]Friends and Family program is going well.

The other week 2 girls were brought over by a friend. I knew they were a secret lesbian couple working at a bar. Same routine where one would be in the CR while the other one would be getting the pounding and the rotate to the CR. The 2 girls were giggling like schools and then one went to the CR. During foreplay with the one the CR girl would open the door, poke her head in and say something. Quite disruptive and I told her to shut the door and to shut up. It happens a few more times and gets the bed girl giggling while I am now entering her and I lose train of thought and get mad about it.

I stop and literally tell them to pack it up and leave without any payment. P150 for the trike. No discussions.

First time I had to unfriend someone! And kick them off the F & F plan.[/QUOTE]I think she wanted to join in.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3034920]Moved to Manila thread. OAU your post in the PG, #10341, with the pics. The pic of the girl licking your rod, about to suck, those pics do something to me. Couple of such archived pics from some of my Manila girls, and other girls I brought to Manila. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]I half broke my promise to that one, she let me take pics but asked me to promise that the pics will not end up on "red tube", well I don't know what that is, but I put them here.

Last night my GF came to angeles and brought a friend with her, we had a wild session, but I have no photographic evidence.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3035093]I think she wanted to join in.[/QUOTE]No. I think she was jealous or insecure about letting a cock get into her GF. These lesbians think if her girl gets a cock in her she might switch back.

I am sure she was intentionally cock blocking. It was a shame as she was really tight.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3030445][b]Heading to Manila this month[/b]. I've never been, but I've been going to German (FKK) and Thailand for 20 years. I fly into Manila and I'm staying at Makati Palace Hotel for 3 nights before I move on to Angeles or Cebu.

SNIP

What advice can anyone give me for my 3 nights in Manila?[/QUOTE]Did not hear back from BP Brian. October has come / gone. How was your Manila, and AC or Cebu time? Is there a field report for us?

[QUOTE=Rockinmask;3034955]Hey, Wanted to share my experience of visiting Philippines in Aug. I had enrolled in pinalove well before visiting Philippines. Spoke to around 15 girls online.

Day 1: Met girl 1, She has a daughter. Met her in Starbucks and asked if she wanted to hangout at my place. She was fine with it, We moved to my place and had a take away of jollybee. She was showing affection right from the cab itself. After reaching my Airbnb, we watched tv for sometime. Soon we were hugging and kissing each other. She looked super horny, lowered her top and caressed her small boobs. We moved to the bed and I had amazing BBBJ and sex in multiple positions. I have never had sex so early on a date.[/QUOTE]Shame you had to put up with that. Now you have a girl ready for your next trip. Well done!

[QUOTE=Rockinmask;3034955]Day 4: We went to siargao for visit, Awesome place to be. Used tinder and found one girl. She quoted 6 k. She gave a nice GFE experience, but I felt it was little expensive for her. She had round ass, allowed me to drill her for longtime.[/QUOTE]Its a lot for a girl from Siargao, but sounds worth it.

[QUOTE=Rockinmask;3034955]I would love to go back again, ,lots more to explore there. Girls are too easy to get, sometimes free also.[/QUOTE]An apt description of Phils. Good initial report.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3035168]Did not hear back from BP Brian. October has come / gone. How was your Manila, and AC or Cebu time? Is there a field report for us?[/QUOTE]Like most guys seeking advice you never hear back from them. It's like they come and fall into a deep crevice and never heard from again!

Best advice is to tell them upon arrival to tie a 2 x 4 to their azz so someone can tow them out!

I was in Manila for a week in October end. First of all, a big thanks to the OGs here who answered all my questions about stay and location. You comrades deserve a big salute!

And so does Manila. Never have I enjoyed an Asian mongering destination more. And I've been to TH, Indonesia, Vietnam, HK, Japan and Dubai (which is awesome, but very expensive). It is just perfect: neither in your face like TH nor too much effort like Vietnam. In fact I got a bit overwhelmed by the number of girls toward the end LOL. Started with PL and got instant connects. While many girls just want to fleece you, there is a healthy number of las which are ready for P2 P or want something long term. I happened to connect with both.

While p2 p was instant gratification for 3000, long term was infact more fun. We met for coffee and she was unwilling to come back to my place. Agreed to meet me socially during my stay and show me around the city. Now why would I say no to a free tour guide! So I agreed to the offer and she took to MOA and a few other places. All I did was pay her food and occasional drink bills. By end of day 4, the slow burn was too much for both of us, and she was in my room where we fucked like bunnies. It was a marathon, and totally worth it!

I also used MC a couple of times. It's quite professionally run and you get what you see.

I must confess though I found Burgos street a bit underwhelming. Most clubs had 4-6 women, with hardly a quarter doable. I went there for 2 nights and then ditched it. PL and MC were my go-to.

I was replied to one of my earlier posts that you never sleep alone in Manila. I now know its true. 12 Pina age 19-28 in 7 days. I'm going to ditch TH for the foreseeable future for PH. Want to explore other cities in the country. Cant wait to go back. The memories of all those naughty Pina are going to linger a long long time.

And once again, a big thank you to all the learned souls here, you folks are awesome! Here's a short glimpse of a few tastings. Cheers!!

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3035551]I'm going to ditch TH for the foreseeable future for PH. Want to explore other cities in the country. Cant wait to go back. The memories of all those naughty Pina[/QUOTE]It's good to read that you had a good time.

While Manila and AC can be a great introduction for the newbie, you are 100% correct that venturing further has definite benefits. Expect lots of beaches, scenery and things to do during the day along with much fresher girls and costs a fraction of the online or bar scenes in the big cities.

The typical steps are Manila and AC to Cebu and Davao to Provincial Mindanao, Cebu or Lyete.

Enjoy. G.

Hey is pina love similar to Thai friendly like where its most P4P escorts?

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3035551]

I must confess though I found Burgos street a bit underwhelming. Most clubs had 4-6 women, with hardly a quarter doable. I went there for 2 nights and then ditched it. PL and MC were my go-to.

[/QUOTE]Good to see that you have fun! My trip is in Feb so hopefully I'll have a similar report to give. Can you please explain what is MC? PL is Pinalove I guess.

I'm wondering what's the situation with the guest access at the Airbnbs in buildings like Air residence, Gramercy Residences, etc. All these big condominium residential buildings where 99% of the airbnb s are located? My only time in Manila was a little surprise. It turns out that they are not allowing guests to enter the building if they are not registered in advance by the host. And no, just the regular ID registration at the reception wasnt allowed.

It was a little circus, I was explained that its not possible, the girl was sitting at some lounge areas in the lobby waiting to grant her access and it took 5 awkward minutes to reach a "financial agreement" with the guys at the reception. I have them something like 300-400 php. Its not about the money, its the awkwardness of the situation. The girl was a normal freelance girl that felt pretty awful with all this circus and I'm hoping to avoid it this time.

Yeah I understand that most of the time it will works if you give some money to the guys in the reception but I don't want to depend on their "willingness to cooperate" - imagine you are with a hottie, you had a great night at some bar and you are horny as hell coming at your place and then a round of negotiation starts. Once I was thinking to give money in advance to the guys in the reception to speed up the process but they are so many people in this residential buildings, the staff is rotating all the time, its wasnt possible to arrange things in advance.

So any advices from you brothers who prefer to rent Airbnb instead of a hotel? How do you deal with this situations? I even checked the garrage entrances and is it possible to smuggle someone there but there was security everywhere.

The only solution that I came up is to write in advance to the host that "I will have guests and is it possible to register them in the reception" when they arrive. And then it starts a long stupid conversation of " can you send me the ID now", "no, its not possible because of a random stupid excuse" and so on. I got really annoyed. Just let us register with ID in the reception and enjoy the time together, we are not entering a Top secret military site LOL. BTW I saw in lets say at least 50% of the Aribnb rules of the listings in Manila clearly written "You have to send us a copies of the IDs in advance, its not possible the apartment to be visited by other guests during your stay".

[QUOTE=Onojdi;3035642]I'm wondering what's the situation with the guest access at the Airbnbs [/QUOTE]The best solution is to take your booking number, add your shoe size and divide by the number of letters in your mother's maiden name. If the result is an odd number, then you will be ok. An even number is not good. It's that random.

I've had the full range from walking away from a week long booking the next morning because I couldn't get anyone in to walk right though, no questions asked and everything between. I'd make these comments about ways of improving your chances:

Bookings through Agoda, Booking etc go much smoother than through AirBnB.

High-end 5 Star Residences have far stricter rules and enforcement than lower tier options.

Girls who look like $20 hoes get stopped far more often than girls dressed like librarians.

Hoes alone get stopped far more often than with a resident guy.

Hotels are far more accommodating than Residences.

A good relationship with security and desk staff helps.

If you find a location that is guest friendly, stick with it. Don't risk moving to a unknown room just to try something different.

Sorry that I couldn't give you any hard and fast rules but it really is a crap shoot.

Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3035653]The best solution is to take your booking number, add your shoe size and divide by the number of letters in your mother's maiden name. If the result is an odd number, then you will be ok. An even number is not good. It's that random.

I've had the full range from walking away from a week long booking the next morning because I couldn't get anyone in to walk right though, no questions asked and everything between. I'd make these comments about ways of improving your chances:

Bookings through Agoda, Booking etc go much smoother than through AirBnB.

High-end 5 Star Residences have far stricter rules and enforcement than lower tier options.

Girls who look like $20 hoes get stopped far more often than girls dressed like librarians.

Hoes alone get stopped far more often than with a resident guy.

Hotels are far more accommodating than Residences.

A good relationship with security and desk staff helps.

If you find a location that is guest friendly, stick with it. Don't risk moving to a unknown room just to try something different.

Sorry that I couldn't give you any hard and fast rules but it really is a crap shoot.

Good luck. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestions but they are not very relevant. As I said I prefer an apartment / studio, not a hotel. It doesn't matter where you book. Airbnb or booking / agoda. The conditions are the same. With airbnb at least you can contact the host in advance and ask your questions. The suggestion to walk away on the first day if they are not allowing visitors also is not very lets say creative, because I had already paid the whole amount for the week and nobody will refund me. And why would they? They are rules and conditions of the booking and if you didn't paid attention to read them, its your fault after all.

And no, none of the girls that I have been were dressed like a hoes. As I said they are regular normal girls, not picked from bars or streets. And again, if you are an European guy with a local girl, usually you get noticed. Especially if you are a reception employee and its part of your job.

Booking a low quality accommodation is also not an option for me. Its my vacation, I'm there to enjoy life and to tease myself. I'll not go to some shithole just because I can enter freely there.

Good relation with the security guy. I hope you read my message. I was thinking the same but they are rotating them the whole time. For a week there I almost didn't saw the same employee more than twice.

So my question was, to people that have been in similar situations using Airbnb-s, can you recommend places that have more relaxed visitors policy.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;3035660]So my question was, to people that have been in similar situations using Airbnb-s, can you recommend places that have more relaxed visitors policy.[/QUOTE]I will PM you some thoughts.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;3035660]Thanks for the suggestions but they are not very relevant. As I said I prefer an apartment / studio, not a hotel. It doesn't matter where you book. Airbnb or booking / agoda. The conditions are the same. With airbnb at least you can contact the host in advance and ask your questions. The suggestion to walk away on the first day if they are not allowing visitors also is not very lets say creative, because I had already paid the whole amount for the week and nobody will refund me. And why would they? They are rules and conditions of the booking and if you didn't paid attention to read them, its your fault after all.

And no, none of the girls that I have been were dressed like a hoes. As I said they are regular normal girls, not picked from bars or streets. And again, if you are an European guy with a local girl, usually you get noticed. Especially if you are a reception employee and its part of your job.

Booking a low quality accommodation is also not an option for me. Its my vacation, I'm there to enjoy life and to tease myself. I'll not go to some shithole just because I can enter freely there.

Good relation with the security guy. I hope you read my message. I was thinking the same but they are rotating them the whole time. For a week there I almost didn't saw the same employee more than twice.

So my question was, to people that have been in similar situations using Airbnb-s, can you recommend places that have more relaxed visitors policy.[/QUOTE]I never, ever had any problem entering with guests, except during the scamdemic when vax cards were checked and validated.

Needed or not, I always pass around 50's or 100's, depending on the nr of staff involved, if 2-3 of them 100 each if more 50 each, I'm used to it from Vegas where you tip for drinks, ushers, valet, etc. When I bring someone, I just pass them another 100 as usual, they remember you, and respect you, at least so that the tips keep coming.

If I stay longer in one place, I'll bring back with me when handy and it's on my way back, a cheap piece of fried something, a fruit, a doughnut from the street vendors, or a coke if stopping at 7/11. Never had a problem. Some guys are saying fuck that! I'm not doing that kind of shit, me I'm doing it regardless of needing their assistance, or not, just helping out some poor bastards that had the bad chance of being born in the wrong place.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3035699]I never, ever had any problem entering with guests, except during the scamdemic when vax cards were checked and validated.

Needed or not, I always pass around 50's or 100's, depending on the nr of staff involved, if 2-3 of them 100 each if more 50 each, I'm used to it from Vegas where you tip for drinks, ushers, valet, etc. When I bring someone, I just pass them another 100 as usual, they remember you, and respect you, at least so that the tips keep coming.

If I stay longer in one place, I'll bring back with me when handy and it's on my way back, a cheap piece of fried something, a fruit, a doughnut from the street vendors, or a coke if stopping at 7/11. Never had a problem. Some guys are saying fuck that! I'm not doing that kind of shit, me I'm doing it regardless of needing their assistance, or not, just helping out some poor bastards that had the bad chance of being born in the wrong place.[/QUOTE]I think my mistake was that I didn't do the 50 and 100 thing. These small gestures will definitely help but the problem with these big condominium monsters is that they are too many staff. Anyway, good idea. Will use it. If I stay at some place 5-6 days, sooner or later I'll meet the same guy from the previous days. BTW rolling back the memories, in Kenya when I arrived, I gave the security guys something like the equivalent of 5 euro when I checked in, they helped with the suitcases, showed the aribnb, etc. And from then till the end of my stay they were my best friends! Arriving with 2 girls one night. No problem, no questions asked. Instead there was a big smile and even the door was opened for me LOL So yeah, thank you for the good advice Old and Wise brother.

Also I`ll text the owner of the airbnb in advance, just to confirm me that there will be no problem from his side. And if he confirms, I`ll make the booking. At least in Manila there are hundreds of good airbnb-s so there will be enough options

[QUOTE=Onojdi;3035715]I think my mistake was that I didn't do the 50 and 100 thing. These small gestures will definitely help but the problem with these big condominium monsters is that they are too many staff. Anyway, good idea. Will use it. If I stay at some place 5-6 days, sooner or later I'll meet the same guy from the previous days. BTW rolling back the memories, in Kenya when I arrived, I gave the security guys something like the equivalent of 5 euro when I checked in, they helped with the suitcases, showed the aribnb, etc. And from then till the end of my stay they were my best friends! Arriving with 2 girls one night. No problem, no questions asked. Instead there was a big smile and even the door was opened for me LOL So yeah, thank you for the good advice Old and Wise brother.

Also I`ll text the owner of the airbnb in advance, just to confirm me that there will be no problem from his side. And if he confirms, I`ll make the booking. At least in Manila there are hundreds of good airbnb-s so there will be enough options[/QUOTE]Last time I stayed at the Grand Riviera Suites at Padre Faura / Roxas, across the street from the US Embassy, because I had something going on at the embassy for about 10 days, it is within walking distance from Midnight Haven, Robinsons Mall, and the university, all great hunting grounds. Also next to the entrance there is an convenience store and Zus Cafe where you can screen the online rentals before bringing them in.

Did not had a problem getting in with girls, the elevators are in a hallway to the left out of the view of the front desk, but I still greased the 3-4 security guys.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3035653]The best solution is to take your booking number, add your shoe size and divide by the number of letters in your mother's maiden name. If the result is an odd number, then you will be ok. An even number is not good. It's that random.

I've had the full range from walking away from a week long booking the next morning because I couldn't get anyone in to walk right though, no questions asked and everything between. I'd make these comments about ways of improving your chances:

Bookings through Agoda, Booking etc go much smoother than through AirBnB.

High-end 5 Star Residences have far stricter rules and enforcement than lower tier options.

Girls who look like $20 hoes get stopped far more often than girls dressed like librarians.

Hoes alone get stopped far more often than with a resident guy.

Hotels are far more accommodating than Residences.

A good relationship with security and desk staff helps.

If you find a location that is guest friendly, stick with it. Don't risk moving to a unknown room just to try something different.

Sorry that I couldn't give you any hard and fast rules but it really is a crap shoot.

Good luck. G.[/QUOTE]This is literally why I stopped using Airbnb in Manila. The audacity to think they can take my money and also dictate who I can bring in for the duration of my stay is on a different level. Not to mention the other rules involving pools etc.

Might as well go back to hotels where at least I'm treated like a fee paying customer and not a retarded toddler.

[QUOTE=RainMania;3035755]This is literally why I stopped using Airbnb in Manila. The audacity to think they can take my money and also dictate who I can bring in for the duration of my stay is on a different level. Not to mention the other rules involving pools etc.

Might as well go back to hotels where at least I'm treated like a fee paying customer and not a retarded toddler.[/QUOTE]With AirBnB, we have three masters: AirBnB itself; the owner and; the tower operator. All often have different rules and levels of enforcement. With Agoda etc, I normally only deal with them and don't even contact the owner etc. I've never had Agoda tell me who or how I can entertain.

Now the distinction between hotels and apartments etc is getting very blurred. It's not at all difficult to find hotel rooms with multiple bedrooms, kitchens, laundries etc. The same can be said for booking sites. Agoda etc are making real efforts to have offerings well beyond the regular 20 sqm hotel rooms.

I do still use AirBnB in Manila and elsewhere but I'm very careful to remember the guidance I listed below and typically I've stayed there before so know what I can and can't get away with. Of course, the more specific my demands, then the less places that are available to meet all of those demands.

When in doubt, I book a night or two then extend or leave depending on what I find.

Enjoy. G.

Further to my post on Manila trip, want to share my experience in Siargao.

I love how Siargao place is, looks so calm and relaxing. Plenty of foreigners and local action can be had, Best place was to hangout at Siargao Beach club (SBC). Me and. Friends went there ordered for drinks, Its fun party night there where you can interact with locals, dance and vibe. I got a girl thru tinder and she was adamant on 8 k per 1 hour shot, didn't think it was worth it.

2nd day we went to Siargao Book club. Its a great coffee shop. I found one of the waitress had a crush on me, gave her my no while leaving. We went island hopping that day and believe me it was my best across Asia. Really loved te vibe. At night I got a message from the waitress and I offered to meet her for pizza. We went for pizza and she was kind of hesitating and shy. She was only 4. 9 height and small girl in 20's. I offered her to go to my place for hangout and she accepted. I could see she was shy but there was some tension between us. Once we reached the resort, we hangout for sometime, watched tv. Started kissing in no time. She was so horny, I could feel her body trembling with my touch. Sucked her small boobs to my heart content, she gave me a great GFE experience. We had 2 rounds that night, I gave her some allowance of 4 k and she was so happy with it.

Next day we went for beach and I asked her to take the day off. We had so much sex that 2 days. It was sad I had to leave Siargao for next trip to Oslab. Hope to go to Siargao again.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3035757]With AirBnB, we have three masters: AirBnB itself; the owner and; the tower operator. .
[/QUOTE]I own a condo in a building where the owners' association has voted to exclude Airbnb from operating on our property.

The property has mostly resident owners; there are several apartments available for long-term rental, but this is arranged through the property office.

Our security is cautious vetting of unknown people entering the condo, with intercoms used between the front desk and apartments.

If an OWNER allows access, then he or she is taking responsibility for the visitor.

We, as a group, do not want short-term renters (like Airbnb) to have access to our apartment floors; it follows that we also do not want them to bring in other unknown guests.

I can well appreciate where an owner might wish to take responsibility for allowing a friend or relative to use his / her apartment whilst away for a designated time, but then the owner must provide details of the visitor, and the visitor must have relevant ID when they arrive. This may explain why there are more strict measures in some places than in others.

In properties where many (most?) apartments are renters, the Airbnb can operate more freely with varying levels of security.

You should enquire in advance whether you can bring in visitors to your Airbnb apartment/house. If no, then find another property that will.

[QUOTE=RainMania;3035755]This is literally why I stopped using Airbnb in Manila. The audacity to think they can take my money and also dictate who I can bring in for the duration of my stay is on a different level. Not to mention the other rules involving pools etc.

Might as well go back to hotels where at least I'm treated like a fee paying customer and not a retarded toddler.[/QUOTE]In every other place around the world that I have been, renting an Airbnb for me have huge benefits. For the same price, its always much much better in terms of fancy design, quality furniture, location, privacy, everything. But not in Manila it seems. Its totally the opposite. So I'm very very tempted to book a hotel in Makati / Poblacion area and to just forget about that there may be a bad surprises.

By the way I am looking now at [URL]booking.com[/URL] website and when you open the property page, there is a section there below with "questions". In almost every hotel that I checked, there is always a question about "do you accept visitors / guests", and always the answer is yes. So it will be a hotel then.

Usually I'm renting an small apartment or stuio with sofa / lounge, or bar stools area, something like that. Its much more fun when you enter the place with a girl, to relax there, have 1-2 drinks if you want, fuck her on the sofa, the usual things hehe Then in the morning its nice to have a place to just sit and chat. But in Manila will go back to the usual hotel room. I prefer not to worry about in what mood is the security and to gamble is there a new rule from the Admin of the building saying "no guests or I'll fire you if I see that you allowed anyone".

BTW has anyone stayed at Herald Suites Polaris? I read that they allowed guests without a problem, the location seems fine, its a quite place and the price is good. Looks a little bit dated and the design is from last century but will do the job I think

[QUOTE=Onojdi;3035806]BTW has anyone stayed at Herald Suites Polaris? I read that they allowed guests without a problem, the location seems fine, its a quite place and the price is good. Looks a little bit dated and the design is from last century but will do the job I think[/QUOTE]While staying at Bel Air Soho recently, I saw plenty of fellas going in / out with hoes. You can consider all hotels and condos on this map area (first pic) to be girl-friendly. This is the red-light district. The curved red line is Burgos street where the gogo bars and FL are. The red arrow is the location of the Herald Suites. If you go to the Google map to this area and zoom in, many more hotel / condos will show up. Herald is an older building, on the same (cheaper) level as Soho and Sunette Tower. While older and run-down, Herald and Soho are just steps across the street from Lips gogo bar, my fav, and they are a half block from Burgos.

The blue box in the upper left is where Milano and Knightsbridge residences are (also see pic 3). Milano, KB, Y2, and Gramercy are the more upscale condos in the area, about a 6-8 minute walk to Burgos.

And for a better hotel: City Garden Grand. Nice joint, has an excellent rooftop restobar and pool, and is the most guest-friendly place in the area.

I think you are asking us for information that we can't give. Almost everyone here would tell you they have experience in most every accommodation on this map, with little or no issues. Things rarely change in this regard. But by the time you get there, something might change at this or that accommodation. Even if Westy says Herald is great, when you get there it might be different. The only sure remedy is for you to call the hotel or residence Admin and ask.

By the way fellas. The Argentinian steak house resto at the base of Trump Tower went out of biz a few months ago.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;3035806]In every other place around the world that I have been, renting an Airbnb for me have huge benefits. For the same price, its always much much better in terms of fancy design, quality furniture, location, privacy, everything. But not in Manila it seems. Its totally the opposite. So I'm very very tempted to book a hotel in Makati / Poblacion area and to just forget about that there may be a bad surprises.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Onojdi;3035806]In every other place around the world that I have been, renting an Airbnb for me have huge benefits. For the same price, its always much much better in terms of fancy design, quality furniture, location, privacy, everything. But not in Manila it seems. [/QUOTE]Mate, for me I usually get a decent hotel, but the fancy design etc. Doesn't matter a rat's arse.

It's the quality of your company and how long they'll be hanging around with you.

Sure, if you want a decent stay in a shithole like Manila or Angeles, you'll want to make yourself as comfortable as possible.

The things that matter to me, is hooking up with a great freelancer who will appreciate your room, and who'll spend hours, if not days, with you at a fraction of the price of grabbing a bar girl who'll brush you off as soon as you shoot.

Go for the better hotels for a decent stay. City Garden works for me.

Westie offers some really good advice as usual from Experience.

These hotels are in a red-light district, and the vast majority of their clients are like us, like-minded.

No need to feel 'the walk of shame' bringing a girl back.

They're used to it _ Phil.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;3035806]In every other place around the world that I have been, renting an Airbnb for me have huge benefits. For the same price, its always much much better in terms of fancy design, quality furniture, location, privacy, everything. But not in Manila it seems. [/QUOTE]If we are only talking about fit out, then Philippines AirBnB fall into two categories. Firstly, part time residents who rent out their condo etc while not in town. These tend to be very nicely and more completely furnished and in better quality towers. Expect complete kitchens, washing machines etc. Secondly, there are the investor specials designed to sustain life only. Equipment, paint etc will be old and minimal and there may even be restrictions on how much you can cook, use the pool etc. Strangely, the latter only comes at a $10 per night savings.

All I can recommend is to very critically read the listings, photos, reviews etc.

For a short stay, you're comments about tying a quality hotel is probably wise. The only benefit I see to AirabnB in Manila etc is for families or long stays.

Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;3035803]I own a condo in a building where the owners' association has voted to exclude Airbnb from operating on our property.[/QUOTE]This is happening world wide, including where I live back home.

Great for the neighbours but not so good for us who want a place to drag home a girl or ten over a few days stay.

AirBnB is falling out of favour with many groups: renters, Body Corps, other residents and even owners.

Enjoy G.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3035832]

I think you are asking us for information that we can't give....Things rarely change in this regard. But by the time you get there, something might change at this or that accommodation. Even if Westy says Herald is great, when you get there it might be different..[/QUOTE]There is also the risk that what Westie or G prefer may not be priorities for Sir Ono.

Recommendations are helpful but shouldn't be relied upon 100%.

G.

I prefer to be surrounded by beautiful naked female bodies, everything else comes second.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;3035803]I own a condo in a building where the owners' association has voted to exclude Airbnb from operating on our property.

The property has mostly resident owners; there are several apartments available for long-term rental, but this is arranged through the property office.

Our security is cautious vetting of unknown people entering the condo, with intercoms used between the front desk and apartments.[/QUOTE]Good point. A lot of renters, and even HOA unit owners (regardless condo or regular subdivision houses) have little idea that the HOA rules govern everything under its umbrella. In order of hieracrchy, there are HOA rules, airbnb rules, and owner rules. This can be a bit complicated. Most owners think their rules apply when renting airbnb, but airbnb slaps them back in place when owners try to overide airbnb policies. HOA rules trump most everything.

HOA rules are set in stone (eraseable stone), and are created by owners voting on them. Most HOA's allow their Admin to make temporary snap changes to rules for either calamity, health or safety sake, often leaving the decisions to a single administrator (the 'head' guy or gal). Additionally concerned owners might be able to call snap homeowner meetings for this or that issue, and vote in (or out) any rule on the spot, usually if they have a quarum (a quarum as previously defined by: them).

As an example, during the start of covid, bunches of HOA's made snap changes such as these: 1) No new renters (previous renters grandfathered in). 2) If new renters were allowed, no minors or senior citizens allowed. 3) Masks required in public spaces in the residence. 4) Immediate compliance with existing rules that were being ignored; such as maximum number of residents allowed in a unit. 5) Other such items. All of those disappeared after Covid. However for those of us in-country at the time, this severely limited our options for rental.

When you get to a residence that doesn't allow hoe-guests, most likely the upper-crust residents have put a stop to that. The Admin has to enforce it. Responsibility for this airbnb eff-up would seem to directly fall on the shoulders of the owner / host, who did not post that on airbnb. Airbnb has a policy of requiring full-home units, such a s house or condo unit (as opposed to renting just a bedroom in a home) to be YOUR (renter's) home for the duration of the rental, unless otherwise specified in the home description or pictures. Of course you can have guests, unless the residence / HOA rules prohibit it. OTOH if the airbnb description from the owner says you can't, then you can't (even if the HOA allows it, as you are agreeing to it in advance). But they rarely state that. More later on that.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;3035803]You should enquire in advance whether you can bring in visitors to your Airbnb apartment/house. If no, then find another property that will.[/QUOTE][B]Best advice ever.[/B] Forewarned is forearmed.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;3035803]I own a condo in a building where the owners' association has voted to exclude Airbnb from operating on our property.[/QUOTE]My AirBNB in BGC specified that I MUST tell everyone I'm a GUEST of the owner. They made it clear to me that if I ever mentioned AirBNB to the condo I would be charged a penalty and had to pay for it in addition to my prepaid AirBNB cost.

I thought this was lame. As if the condo doesn't know that unit is being rented out as an AirBNB with new guests coming every few days.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3036004]My AirBNB in BGC specified that I MUST tell everyone I'm a GUEST of the owner. They made it clear to me that if I ever mentioned AirBNB to the condo I would be charged a penalty and had to pay for it in addition to my prepaid AirBNB cost.

I thought this was lame. As if the condo doesn't know that unit is being rented out as an AirBNB with new guests coming every few days.[/QUOTE]Yes. Even more bizarre. During covid, the unit I airbnb rented in Manila, the owner had me meet him at a convenience store down the street from the condo. Once in his car, he had me lay low in the back seat while he drove past the condo guards and into the building's parking garage. He drove the car close to an elevator and stopped, and had me lay low in the back seat while he looked around to see if anyone was around. Finally he said "Get out, go directly to floor 21 and let yourself into the unit. Its not locked. The key is on the table. I will stop by and see you in an hour". Dude, why the clock-and-dagger stuff? "Get out". Off I went up to the unit. An hour later he knocked and explained that the residence was not allowing any unit rentals during covid. "Stay away from the front desk if you go out". What? "Consider yourself lucky to have a place to stay in Manila. Its all gone to sh*t here. Lay low. There is almost nothing open out there and little reason to go outside. Don't get caught they will boot you. I will get in trouble also. No refunds". And off he went. Every few days he stopped by and brought fresh bottles of water and sometimes Red Horse, and took my laundry to his place and had his wife clean and fold my clothes, and brought them back the same day. Same went for bed linens. He was also correct about nothing being open out there. No restos or bars, coffee shops or malls. You could walk a KM in any direction and not find anything open. Depressing. One day he and his missus showed up with a batch of lumpia and some water for me. She was brutally ugly. Told them that I wasn't hungry and put the food in the ref, thinking they would make small talk and go home. They sat around for more than an hour, with little talk. Finally I asked when they were leaving. Is there anything else we need to talk about? "Oh, no. They think were are working on our unit. We have to stay here for a while". You mean you are keeping up appearances with the front desk concierge as fixing up the place and need to stay here for a while? "Ya that's it". Bajesus! Tell me next time? Also no guests were allowed. Stayed for my airbnb contracted 30 days and bounced.

Found another place slightly less restrictive. I pre-registered myself and one of my long time regular girls and she was able to come / go as she pleased. During those days, lesson learned: When moving to a new digs online, always register one of your gals as your asawa in airbnb. Was limited to one mid-30's skinny MILF, but that's much better than nothing, and had my run of her for unli pops for a month. She stayed with me for 2-3-4 days, went home for 1-2 night, and returned. We lived on Foodpanda.

BB, I doubt there was any way he could charge you a penalty thru airbnb's system.

On every respective airbnb page for any given unit, there is almost always a written description (see pic #1). If after arriving you find the unit is a different unit, or that something in or about the unit (or residence) is inconsistent with the description (including guest policy), you have a case for either breaking the contract, or getting a partial refund. When attempting such, airbnb offers you an easy out: There is a checkbox for "Unit is not as described". Checking that option, and explaining the discrepancy to airbnb, will get you started on a short dialogue with the owner, then airbnb will make a decision on whether you can cancel the contract (minus any nights you spent there, prorated) or get a partial refund. I have utilized this a number of times.

Additionally, you should check the "Things to Know" section for each unit you are considering (pics #2, 3, and 4). Anything listed there are owner restrictions. Renting this unit binds you in advance to these restrictions. If it says NO SMOKING, that means you can't smoke (even if the HOA rules allow smoking on the premises). If it says maximum 4 persons, and you invite an extra hoe as a fifth wheel, then you have effed up. Its just that simple. This will be the location of NO UNREGISTERED GUESTS. Usually you never see this, and you are free to have guests. UNLESS the residence (HOA) does not allow guests. Period.

The red circles. COOKING IS NOT ALLOWED. This might be an owner restriction, or a residence restriction. Cooking by gas is not allowed, and cooking by electric stove smokes up the unit and sets off the fire alarm, possibly for the entire floor (or more). I find this is also not often mentioned on airbnb, and when I check in, the owner / host mentions NO COOKING. But, dude, there you put an electric stove on the counter. Its the same one from the airbnb pics. Hey, why are you shoving that into the cupboard? "NO COOKING. USE THE MICROWAVE".

CARD KEY IS ISSUED WITH P1000 DEPOSIT. If it says that, you have to have p1000 on you before they will let you move in. You get it back later. If you don't have the p1000, they might tell you to go find an ATM. There you are stuck in the lobby with your suitcase, after a long flight, now you have to go find an ATM. Great! Once, in Birch Tower (Malate), the owner met me in the lobby and wanted p2000 for a key deposit. I nearly fell over at the amount. Sorry ma'am, I was not aware of this p2000, and I don't have it with me. "Can you GCash it to me?" I won't. Why would I hand you 2000 pesos? "Its required. Its on airbnb". Really? We both whipped out our phones to check. "Things to know. You look that part sir". We both scrolled to there, and. . . It wasn't mentioned. She was upset with herself for not having it there. "But you have to give it. Its required". I took a screenshot of Things to know. Sorry, toots. You have to let me into the unit now, or deny me entry. Which is it?

It was easy to do at that moment, as Birch Tower has 2 real estate companies in the lobby, eager to rent to anyone (albeit at a higher price). Finally she gave up the ghost and let me into the unit. But she didn't give it up entirely. Once inside: "But. Can you send it Gcash tomorrow? Please?" No. Now, show me that wifi password, sweetie.

But, but, but Westie, I have to look thru the description of every unit? YES, its the fine print.

If you'd like information about partial refunds from airbnb, PM me.

Staying on the point of stays, would any learned soul know if Somerset Mataki is a hotel or serviced apartment? And is it Green? I have a trip to KL later this month and was thinking of a 3 days stop over in Manila. The trip late last month has left me wanting for me LOL.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3036017]Staying on the point of stays, would any learned soul know if Somerset Mataki is a hotel or serviced apartment? [/QUOTE]Which one (see pic)? From the pictures on Google Maps, they both look like serviced apartments.

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3036017]And is it Green? [/QUOTE]Apology. What does 'Green' mean?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3036046]Which one (see pic)? From the pictures on Google Maps, they both look like serviced apartments.

Apology. What does 'Green' mean?[/QUOTE]Thanks Westie. I was referring to the one circled on top. And they do indeed look like serviced apartments. What confused me was that they were listed even when I specifically checked on "hotels" option on the booking site.

By "Green" I meant if they would allow me to get the girl inside my room. Going by all the discussions here, it looks tricky if they are not conventional hotels.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3036056]By "Green" I meant if they would allow me to get the girl inside my room. Going by all the discussions here, it looks tricky if they are not conventional hotels.

Cheers![/QUOTE]Welcome.

I would argue, and like to hear from others on this recent discussion. I would hazard that you have a very small chance of residential rejection for your girls, either from hotels or serviced residences. Here is a list of hotels and condos either on, or within a 10 minute walk of Burgos St, where you almost certainly will not have any problems (its the red light district, they don't turn girls away). Have stayed at most of these, and have heard of no problems with any of these since covid ended (all of 2023 - present):

Sunette Tower residence, Durban hotel, Oxford Suites, Lokal (ST) hotel, Makati Palace hotel, Royal Bellagio hotel, Bel-Air Soho res, Sogo (ST) hotel, City Garden hotel, St. Giles hotel, and City Garden Grand hotel (CGG is known for not even bothering to register your guest at all; she can just come in, hop into the elevator, and go to your room, even if you are not with her). Within a few blocks and 5-10 minutes walk: Gramercy res, Milano res, Knightsbridge res, Berjaya hotel, Coro hotel, and Makati Prime Tower res. Have stayed in most of these, and only had trouble at Knightsbridge during Covid* (2022), but not after.

Absolutely for a short stay of a few weeks or less, City Garden Grand is your best bet. Its the most Gfriendly place anywhere. Anyone can waltz in at any time (there is no door guard), enter the elevators at any time, and go where they want. Its fairly upscale, with a lovely rooftop pool, restaurant, and live band nightly. Never stayed there, but have taken several dozen dates to the rooftop. Its a block from Burgos St.

Its almost unheard of in the nawty zones for places to turn your girl away (unless she caused trouble there before).

And of course, as suggested by RK and myself, you can put all such fears to bed by simply CALLING THE RESIDENCE ADMIN AND ASKING GUEST POLICY before booking the unit.

* The trouble at KB was both with Admin, and an owner. After checking me in, the owner (who lived elsewhere in the building) told me: "No guests. Its Covid". I asked her why she hadn't put that in her unit description in airbnb, but got nowhere with her on this. Later I went to dinner and checked with the guard. He said same old policy the girl just gives up her ID and can come in. ** All good (for a while). I ignored the owner's request / demand for no guests and went on about my poon-vaxxin' mission for several days. The owner figured out (chismosa) what I was doing and chewed on me at the unit, telling me that it was her place and she would contact airbnb and boot me and. . . Blah, blah, blah. Apparently we both contacted airbnb, and she got the short end of the stick because she hadn't included her own no guest policy in her description. My vaxxing mission continued.

** Not quite the same old policy. A few days after I got there I brought in a girl for the night. The next day we went out somewhere for a while without her picking up her ID at the front door guard, as we were coming back. Upon arriving back the guards refused her entry. "Sir we have a 24 hour rule. You can not bring in the same guest inside 24 hours. Sorry po". They handed her ID back and she came back later that night, outside the 24 hours. I checked with the Admin office and they confirmed the 24 hour rule. Can't argue with the HOA rules, but I was a bit steamed and contacted airbnb with a second owner complaint: The owner hadn't put in the description, nor in any of our communications, the 24 hour rule. I got an airbnb partial refund back from the owner for that. I posted part of that story at the time.

These problems were caused by the COVID scare. That was THEN, not NOW. Have stayed at KB several times in 2023-24, no problems.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3036008]Yes. Even more bizarre. During covid, the unit I airbnb rented in Manila, the owner had me meet him at a convenience store down the street from the condo. Once in his car, he had me lay low in the back seat while he drove past the condo guards and into the building's parking garage. He drove the car close to an elevator and stopped, and had me lay low in the back seat while he looked around to see if anyone was around. Finally he said "Get out, go directly to floor 21 and let yourself into the unit. Its not locked. The key is on the table. I will stop by and see you in an hour". Dude, why the clock-and-dagger stuff? "Get out". Off I went up to the unit. An hour later he knocked and explained that the residence was not allowing any unit rentals during covid. "Stay away from the front desk if you go out". What? "Consider yourself lucky to have a place to stay in Manila. Its all gone to sh*t here. Lay low. There is almost nothing open out there and little reason to go outside. Don't get caught they will boot you. I will get in trouble also. No refunds". And off he went. Every few days he stopped by and brought fresh bottles of water and sometimes Red Horse, and took my laundry to his place and had his wife clean and fold my clothes, and brought them back the same day. Same went for bed linens. He was also correct about nothing being open out there. No restos or bars, coffee shops or malls. You could walk a KM in any direction and not find anything open. Depressing. One day he and his missus showed up with a batch of lumpia and some water for me. She was brutally ugly. Told them that I wasn't hungry and put the food in the ref, thinking they would make small talk and go home. They sat around for more than an hour, with little talk. Finally I asked when they were leaving. Is there anything else we need to talk about? "Oh, no. They think were are working on our unit. We have to stay here for a while". You mean you are keeping up appearances with the front desk concierge as fixing up the place and need to stay here for a while? "Ya that's it". Bajesus! Tell me next time? Also no guests were allowed. Stayed for my airbnb contracted 30 days and bounced.

Found another place slightly less restrictive. I pre-registered myself and one of my long time regular girls and she was able to come / go as she pleased. During those days, lesson learned: When moving to a new digs online, always register one of your gals as your asawa in airbnb. Was limited to one mid-30's skinny MILF, but that's much better than nothing, and had my run of her for unli pops for a month. She stayed with me for 2-3-4 days, went home for 1-2 night, and returned. We lived on Foodpanda.

BB, I doubt there was any way he could charge you a penalty thru airbnb's system.[/QUOTE]Another fucked up covid story, we were lucky in Vegas, as everybody (almost) figured it out that it was a scam about a week into it, and nobody gave a fuck about the masks or other useless similar stuff. You can still see idiots 5 years latter driving alone in their car with the mask on.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3032512]I wish I had the luck you fellas have. Bit worried that I will not be able to find anyone in Manila. Woe is me.

70 lb-er has moved her hand down. . . There. . .

What does that mean!?

She got them cute fossae zambales thingys also.[/QUOTE]Did you meet her off PinaLove?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3036096]Welcome.

I would argue, and like to hear from others on this recent discussion. I would hazard that you have a very small chance of residential rejection for your girls, either from hotels or serviced residences. Here is a list of hotels and condos either on, or within a 10 minute walk of Burgos St, where you almost certainly will not have any problems (its the red light district, they don't turn girls away). Have stayed at most of these, and have heard of no problems with any of these since covid ended (all of 2023 - present):

Sunette Tower residence, Durban hotel, Oxford Suites, Lokal (ST) hotel, Makati Palace hotel, Royal Bellagio hotel, Bel-Air Soho res, Sogo (ST) hotel, City Garden hotel, St. Giles hotel, and City Garden Grand hotel (CGG is known for not even bothering to register your guest at all; she can just come in, hop into the elevator, and go to your room, even if you are not with her). Within a few blocks and 5-10 minutes walk: Gramercy res, Milano res, Knightsbridge res, Berjaya hotel, Coro hotel, and Makati Prime Tower res. Have stayed in most of these, and only had trouble at Knightsbridge during Covid* (2022), but not after.

Absolutely for a short stay of a few weeks or less, City Garden Grand is your best bet. Its the most Gfriendly place anywhere. Anyone can waltz in at any time (there is no door guard), enter the elevators at any time, and go where they want. Its fairly upscale, with a lovely rooftop pool, restaurant, and live band nightly. Never stayed there, but have taken several dozen dates to the rooftop. Its a block from Burgos St..[/QUOTE]Definitely girl friendly but they need a card key to use elevator unless you want to meet them at roof top bar. But if I have met the girl before they just leave ID at desk and they let her up. Also desk calls to make sure you are OK.

[QUOTE=Phil65;3036203]Definitely girl friendly but they need a card key to use elevator unless you want to meet them at roof top bar. But if I have met the girl before they just leave ID at desk and they let her up. Also desk calls to make sure you are OK.[/QUOTE]Muchos gracias the update. I have gone up to the rooftop without a key card many times, and had girls meet me up there when they did the same, no card, that I just assumed that you could hit any floor without one. This also answers Onojdi's and OxyFresh's question about finding a place that is GFriendly.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3036209]Muchos gracias the update. I have gone up to the rooftop without a key card many times, and had girls meet me up there when they did the same, no card, that I just assumed that you could hit any floor without one. This also answers Onojdi's and OxyFresh's question about finding a place that is GFriendly.[/QUOTE]Most will allow card free access to restaurants and bars but will not stop on room floors.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3036046]Which one (see pic)? From the pictures on Google Maps, they both look like serviced apartments.

Apology. What does 'Green' mean?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3036209]Muchos gracias the update. I have gone up to the rooftop without a key card many times, and had girls meet me up there when they did the same, no card, that I just assumed that you could hit any floor without one. This also answers Onojdi's and OxyFresh's question about finding a place that is GFriendly.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Phil and Westie. I booked City Garden Grand. Looking forward to my second trip within a month.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3036333]Thanks Phil and Westie. I booked City Garden Grand. Looking forward to my second trip within a month.

Cheers![/QUOTE]The one downside of cgg is that the elevators are slow. Have a great time. I won't be able to go until Feb 2026.

Visiting Manila next week and looking for the best looking girls, ideally a student who can hold a convo and wants to go out on dates. Based on my research Seeking will give me that, PinaLove isn't as great and escort sites like MC are below that in terms of optics. Did I get that right, or are there even better options?

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3036343]Visiting Manila next week and looking for the best looking girls, ideally a student who can hold a convo and wants to go out on dates. Based on my research Seeking will give me that, PinaLove isn't as great and escort sites like MC are below that in terms of optics. Did I get that right, or are there even better options?[/QUOTE]Hi Ted, I'm not too sure about Seeking, and I may have missed previous reports, but I can't remember that platform being mentioned here much.

Ideally, finding a great looking student who can hold a convo and wants a date seems ambitious, yet you might get lucky.

Aim high, just don't be disappointed if things don't go to plan.

You'll find some of the best horizontal action can happen when you 'lower the bar' a little.

Just my experience _ Phil.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3036343]Visiting Manila next week and looking for the best looking girls, ideally a student who can hold a convo and wants to go out on dates. Based on my research Seeking will give me that, PinaLove isn't as great and escort sites like MC are below that in terms of optics. Did I get that right, or are there even better options?[/QUOTE]Problem with seeking in Manila today is everyone and their grandma's wet dog is on it. Many of the girls on seeking are the exact same ones on tinder / pinalove / bumble / hinge / whatever dating app is out there. Exact same girls with the exact same pictures across multiple platforms. Some will literally try to sell their conversation and listening skills (no sex whatsoever!) as a reason why you should pay them. You even have the regular tondo street girl who spends all day with her shabu selling Filipino gang member boyfriend (s) on the app demanding 15 k+ pesos because why not, it's seeking and she hears its full of pay pigs.

I'm not saying you can't find what you're looking for on there, it's just that the app is saturated beyond comedic ridiculousness and be prepared to do some extra digging.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3036343]Visiting Manila next week and looking for the best looking girls, ideally a student who can hold a convo and wants to go out on dates.[/QUOTE]Call me crazy but wouldn't the best place to find real college students be a college? Or the places they gather?

There are many 7-ELEVEN and McDo's that attract a swarm of hot girls every lunchtime. Of course, walking up to a group of young, attractive, educated girls and asking if they want to suck dick for $50 may not have the desired effect. It's amazing how girls with options may not select lecherous foreigners as their first port of call.

I'm not a Seeking user. But I do find most guys who report about it high on the Simp scale, funding extravagant dinners, allowances, holidays etc while pretending that the girl really finds them attractive. On the flipside, many girls online purport to be a student but in fact don't study anything, just using it as an opportunity to request help with supposed course and exam fees.

If I was looking for the hottest girls I would just use PL or DIA and video chat to screen for conversation ability. Its very easy and quick to sort the girls who can't string a sentence together. There are thousands available in Manila so you won't have issues finding someone. IG has stunners but I find them entitled air heads and with so many guys contacting them, their time and $$ expectations can be outrageous.

Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3036344]

Aim high, just don't be disappointed if things don't go to plan.

You'll find some of the best horizontal action can happen when you 'lower the bar' a little.

Just my experience _ Phil.[/QUOTE]I've also had the opposite. Take home a jeans and tee shirt Plain Jane only to find a bikini model underneath.

A very pleasant surprise indeed.

Enjoy. G.

If I could lower my standards, I'd be happy to. It's cheaper and would make my life easier. But I prefer at least an 8 so I can see her multiple times and not have to weed through dozens of profiles as a part time job.

Everyone and their mother is on Seeking, PL, and probably every other dating app in Manila because there's 20 M+ in the city. But Seeking so far has better optics than PL. Can't speak for the number of simps on the platform because I'm not interested in men.

Assuming DIA is Date in Asia. Solid recommendation, thank you for that. I've seen some better looking options there than PL (where there are almost none for me), just like TF in Thailand. Of course if nothing works out, I'll try to break into a college lecture, ask the girls if they want my dick, and leave a few business cards.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3036460]

Everyone and their mother is on Seeking, PL, and probably every other dating app in Manila because there's 20 M+ in the city. But Seeking so far has better optics than PL. Can't speak for the number of simps on the platform because I'm not interested in men.
[/QUOTE]Pre covid, it was a goldmine of exactly what you're looking for. College girls and college educated professionals galore, I'the say at least 80% of the profiles back then fit this criteria.

Today, Manila seeking literally isn't any better than going to p Burgos or using any of the apps. Because like I said, everyone found out about it and now I'd say your target market probably makes up 20% of the profiles or less. The only difference is the girl who would've been happy with 5 k on tinder or pinalove will demand 15 k+ on seeking for the exact same thing.

Your money I guess.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3036343]Visiting Manila next week and looking for the best looking girls, ideally a student who can hold a convo and wants to go out on dates. Based on my research Seeking will give me that, PinaLove isn't as great and escort sites like MC are below that in terms of optics. Did I get that right, or are there even better options?[/QUOTE]Recently I contact a 9+ on FB out of the blue. She replied and said she was a model. After some dancing around I asked if she was open to meeting up discreetly. She replied possibly yes but what was the allowance? I said 5 k. She replied "I am a model. Starting at 50 k po." I thanked her for her time.

You might have to start at 15 k plus for your criteria.

I have had some luck on pina. Met some non pros that had real jobs in government, colleges etc. But it takes a real date.

The one that I have never had luck is locanto. A couple of ladybugs. Met in lobby, gave them 500 p to go away.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3036433]I've also had the opposite. Take home a jeans and tee shirt Plain Jane only to find a bikini model underneath.

A very pleasant surprise indeed.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Exactly what I meant G.

Some of the best contacts I have, initially came across a "Plain Janes, or Jhoans" and have turned out to be keepers for many a return visit.

Lower the bar and you'll often get rewarded unexpectedly.

Buy them a feed and a 300 p cheap dress and they'll scrub up pretty well and look quite good hanging off your arm in public, it that's your thing.

Just my experience _ Phil.

Not sure what these ladies think they are—limited-edition Birkins with a pulse? Some FB diva quoted me 150 K. I just thanks, but rather should have said Sweetie, for 150 K I expect you to come with a dowry, a yacht, AND a signed affidavit that you'll do my laundry for life.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3036479]Recently I contact a 9+ on FB out of the blue. She replied and said she was a model. After some dancing around I asked if she was open to meeting up discreetly. She replied possibly yes but what was the allowance? I said 5 k. She replied "I am a model. Starting at 50 k po." I thanked her for her time.

You might have to start at 15 k plus for your criteria.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yendappu;3036586]Not sure what these ladies think they arelimited-edition Birkins with a pulse? Some FB diva quoted me 150 K. I just thanks, but rather should have said Sweetie, for 150 K I expect you to come with a dowry, a yacht, AND a signed affidavit that you'll do my laundry for life.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately there's always going to be clowns who are willing and happy to pay these rates. Their reasoning is often "well, I can't find this back home so I'm grateful to be able to pay western rates here in south east Asia for something I could and should be getting for 5% of what I'm paying, after dumping thousands of dollars on flights and hotels".

I remember a gentleman on here a few years back giving a girl 50 k pesos or thereabouts for a weekend trip to boracay. Of course he (and these guys) never think beyond a few inches. These girls will go to their friend groups (online and offline) to brag about finding the golden idiot who paid her all this money for basically nothing (maybe 5 rounds of sex max in those 2-3 days plus food, drinks and entertainment paid for by him), and then word spreads about foreigners being dumb clowns who know nothing about the Philippines and can be charged whatever. Sure, one guy might not do that much damage but a collection of guys in their hundreds behaving this way will definitely change the scene in the short term. Just look at what the passport bros and western union / paypal / wise simps have done to Manila (and pinalove at large) post Covid.

Was bit bored last night, so I took a walk around my area (malate) to see if there were any casa (s) available. Too my surprise I couldn't find any, I thought I would be able to find something but alas the changing times. I popped my head into a few establishments, and there seems to be a bit of a racket going on in those bars. They may look like buy me drinky bars and ktvs, but there is action in those bars. There are no bar fines that I could find, but a deal can be made to meet on their off days or after shifts, so there is something there if you want to look.

On a side note was in quiapo for some shopping (picked up a solar generator just in case) and had a drink at a bar and was no problem arranging the girl to come out after her shift. The particular bar I was in was 24 hours, and the girls ran 8 hour shifts, so it was quite easy to arrange something for the evening. Just so no one asks later it was 6. 5 k for overnight with the bar girl there. I do not know if it was a good or bad price, as it was the first time I pulled something from a bar in quiapo, it is what it is.

What is it with PL girls and "Simple" LOL? Many of them describe themselves as simple. Is this some cultural connotation that I don't understand?

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3037194]What is it with PL girls and "Simple" LOL? Many of them describe themselves as simple. Is this some cultural connotation that I don't understand?[/QUOTE]Yes it is, and it took me years to decipher / suss out. It means she wants enough income for the following 'simple' items: 1) Food on the table. 2) Roof (non-leaking) over their heads (ala rent). 3) Electric and water bill paid on time. 4) The rare but occasional meal out (fast food is fine); or alternately occasionally 'going around', which is slang for going out to the bar for drinks, food, and / or live band (thrilling for many provincial pinay). 5) Once a year going to the annual brgy or city Festival for hot dog on a stick and a beer (to see and be seen, similar to the County fair in America). 6) Going to Mass. ALL OF THIS IS FOR HER ENTIRE FAMILY. Most of us would consider this basic subsistence living.

There are other things she'd like also, but that pretty much describes it. What she wants, deep down, is for a savior who can provide these things WITHOUT FAIL, month after month. Without enough steady money for these things, pinoy must make choices about which of the above they can NOT have this day / week / month. Girls here routinely have what I call 'rolling emergencies', a series of emergencies each month that change regularly, but usually involve one of the items above. She won't have enough money for #1, 2, and 3 above each month. Which one gets cut out this week?

Interestingly, most pinay are happy when the basics are met.

Great Post. Thanks.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3037220]Yes it is, and it took me years to decipher / suss out. It means she wants enough income for the following 'simple' items: 1) Food on the table. 2) Roof (non-leaking) over their heads (ala rent). 3) Electric and water bill paid on time. 4) The rare but occasional meal out (fast food is fine); or alternately occasionally 'going around', which is slang for going out to the bar for drinks, food, and / or live band (thrilling for many provincial pinay). 5) Once a year going to the annual brgy or city Festival for hot dog on a stick and a beer (to see and be seen, similar to the County fair in America). 6) Going to Mass. ALL OF THIS IS FOR HER ENTIRE FAMILY. Most of us would consider this basic subsistence living.

There are other things she'd like also, but that pretty much describes it. What she wants, deep down, is for a savior who can provide these things WITHOUT FAIL, month after month. Without enough steady money for these things, pinoy must make choices about which of the above they can NOT have this day / week / month. Girls here routinely have what I call 'rolling emergencies', a series of emergencies each month that change regularly, but usually involve one of the items above. She won't have enough money for #1, 2, and 3 above each month. Which one gets cut out this week?

Interestingly, most pinay are happy when the basics are met.[/QUOTE]

I originally strolled around the bar side where the bar type casas were before and found nothing. Last night I strolled the casa area where all the small casa's use to be and it looks very promising. At present it is in the pre-casa stage where the girls gather. Like before there were casas the girls would sporadically be on the street, then eventually they would gather at the park before moving on to sitting at a "place", then the sitting place would eventually serve alcohol and food and so on and on until it becomes a take out casa (not to be confused with a stay in casa or dorm). Take out casas emerged from serving the locals and usually established on trucking routes and such. Malate before covid used to have a lot of take out type casas. I spent a many years taking advantage of all the different types of casas in my area, unfortunately I could hot pull the trigger and take one for the team last night. I had every intention of pulling one of the girls to get the feel for where its at, but just couldn't do it. The price (full on foreigner price) was 2 k all night, which isn't bad as I think the local price would only get down too 1. 2-1. 5 (my best guess). If; ll things trend up, I would suspect small casas popping up within the next year, if there is no business, then they will probably migrate.

I'll be around for a couple more days, if someone wants to take one for the team, lmk and I will point you over. My regular is coming by today after school, so I won't be able to pursue it till its end. Will check back on it early next year when I am in the area again.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3037220]Yes it is, and it took me years to decipher / suss out. It means she wants enough income for the following 'simple' items: 1) Food on the table. 2) Roof (non-leaking) over their heads (ala rent). 3) Electric and water bill paid on time. 4) The rare but occasional meal out (fast food is fine); or alternately occasionally 'going around', which is slang for going out to the bar for drinks, food, and / or live band (thrilling for many provincial pinay). 5) Once a year going to the annual brgy or city Festival for hot dog on a stick and a beer (to see and be seen, similar to the County fair in America). 6) Going to Mass. ALL OF THIS IS FOR HER ENTIRE FAMILY. Most of us would consider this basic subsistence living.

There are other things she'd like also, but that pretty much describes it. What she wants, deep down, is for a savior who can provide these things WITHOUT FAIL, month after month. Without enough steady money for these things, pinoy must make choices about which of the above they can NOT have this day / week / month. Girls here routinely have what I call 'rolling emergencies', a series of emergencies each month that change regularly, but usually involve one of the items above. She won't have enough money for #1, 2, and 3 above each month. Which one gets cut out this week?

Interestingly, most pinay are happy when the basics are met.[/QUOTE]You nailed it!

Not even smartgirlphilippines or filipina pea described it so simple and eloquently put.

[QUOTE=Transporter;3037258]I originally strolled around the bar side where the bar type casas were before and found nothing. Last night I strolled the casa area where all the small casa's use to be and it looks very promising. At present it is in the pre-casa stage where the girls gather. Like before there were casas the girls would sporadically be on the street, then eventually they would gather at the park before moving on to sitting at a "place", then the sitting place would eventually serve alcohol and food and so on and on until it becomes a take out casa (not to be confused with a stay in casa or dorm). Take out casas emerged from serving the locals and usually established on trucking routes and such. Malate before covid used to have a lot of take out type casas. I spent a many years taking advantage of all the different types of casas in my area, unfortunately I could hot pull the trigger and take one for the team last night. I had every intention of pulling one of the girls to get the feel for where its at, but just couldn't do it. The price (full on foreigner price) was 2 k all night, which isn't bad as I think the local price would only get down too 1. 2-1. 5 (my best guess). If; ll things trend up, I would suspect small casas popping up within the next year, if there is no business, then they will probably migrate.

I'll be around for a couple more days, if someone wants to take one for the team, lmk and I will point you over. My regular is coming by today after school, so I won't be able to pursue it till its end. Will check back on it early next year when I am in the area again.[/QUOTE]Excellent post, that's what I'm into it, 1. 5 K-2 K with no time constrains, is the price I think is reasonable for PH. The occasional 5 K splurge is an out of norm thing, more like fancy dining from time to time, but even when doing that I always keep in mind that the girl gets only 2 K.

Throwback from the Manila archive. Sent one of my NCR regulars out one night to roam about and fetch me a new play toy, and she did deliver.

"And her skin's the color mocha" -- Ricky Martin, Livin' la Vida Loca.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3037289]Throwback from the Manila archive. Sent one of my NCR regulars out one night to roam about and fetch me a new play toy, and she did deliver.

"And her skin's the color mocha" -- Ricky Martin, Livin' la Vida Loca.[/QUOTE]That's exactly how I like them, no more no less.

Genuinely curious on how you guys are searching for the Instagram models, is there a specific place that you're looking for or a specific search query you're submitting into Instagram to find them? Just looking for some guidance.

[QUOTE=JBarnes1987;3037338]Genuinely curious on how you guys are searching for the Instagram models, is there a specific place that you're looking for or a specific search query you're submitting into Instagram to find them? Just looking for some guidance.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure but I doubt that anybody is chasing dragons (aka fake stuff).

Hey yall,

So I have a trip to China for work and am looking to take a little party weekend detour to Manila after my business in China having been before. Fell in love with the girls and came at a very expensive price tag the last time as it was all BF girls from club- Maisons and Lips to name a few.

Currently on PL and trying out the online / FL route and I am struggling to get birds lined up for the weekend as reading on here it seems FL are more cost effective but come with their own risks following the daily blogs I see on ISG.

Ideally I don't want to be splurging as much as I did last time (I mean why spend more than you need to right? Strategy I am using as suggested by many on the ISG bible is just being upfront with what I want, so here is my opener "Coming to Manila soon and will be staying at CGG in Makati, will pay 2500 per day with food and drinks". Can anyone advise where I am going wrong? I understand its a numbers game but currently the numbers stack up like so: 50% no response /30% No and the rest with Yes and some demanding higher.

Cheerio.

Nuggy.

[QUOTE=JBarnes1987;3037338]Genuinely curious on how you guys are searching for the Instagram models, is there a specific place that you're looking for or a specific search query you're submitting into Instagram to find them? Just looking for some guidance.[/QUOTE]You will find them on, errrrm, Instagram. Search terms can be the names of the big clubs that they hang out in or the descriptors of their lifestyles: #AquaBeachClub, #PinaGirl, #BeachBabe etc. You can also then disappear down the rabbit warren that is friends of friends. Finding one will make all her friends and people / groups that she subscribers to / by visible.

As you can guess it's a lot of work. The return?? The girls are blistering hot but unbelievably entitled.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2554881]Not a market I dabble in but IG model pricing:

.....

Enjoy G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3037302]That's exactly how I like them, no more no less.[/QUOTE]+1. Long and lean is what I like. 👍.

[QUOTE=Transporter;3037258]

I'll be around for a couple more days, if someone wants to take one for the team, lmk and I will point you over. My regular is coming by today after school, so I won't be able to pursue it till its end. Will check back on it early next year when I am in the area again.[/QUOTE]I'm not in town not but I'd appreciate more info on Casas. I've been asking for a while now and I thought they had disappeared.

Something worth investigating on the next trip.

Thanks. G.

[QUOTE=JBarnes1987;3037338]Genuinely curious on how you guys are searching for the Instagram models, is there a specific place that you're looking for or a specific search query you're submitting into Instagram to find them? Just looking for some guidance.[/QUOTE]DM me, I think I can help you with that.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3037410]I'm not sure but I doubt that anybody is chasing dragons (aka fake stuff).[/QUOTE]I think everyone is at different stages in their mongering career.

There was a brief 5 year period back 20-25 years ago, when I was going hard for the white tiger. I was putting in maximum effort, but now could absolutely careless.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3037421]I'm not in town not but I'd appreciate more info on Casas. I've been asking for a while now and I thought they had disappeared. Something worth investigating on the next trip. Thanks. G.[/QUOTE]Its supply an demand, so its always there, just have to find where the demand is. After covid they just all disappeared in malate, but I think that has more to do with the changing of the guard. Back 10-20 years ago, malate was full of Japanese ktvs, resto, shops, and such. Now this place is full of Korean everything, even the road sign says Korean town. I don't think the mass Koreans coming here are into casa, they have their own thing and is regulated by the tours they sign up for. However outside Manila it is plentiful, my general rule is if a city is big enough to have an SM or Rob, then they absolutely have casa. I have never failed to find what I need while traveling all over PI in a city that was big enough to have an SM or Rob.

That being said, the casa situation here in malate here is in its early stages, not sure if the demand will stir growth or not, it may just move into a different area where there is more demand. I'll be here for a couple more days, just hit me up if you need the current info.

[QUOTE=JBarnes1987;3037338]Genuinely curious on how you guys are searching for the Instagram models, is there a specific place that you're looking for or a specific search query you're submitting into Instagram to find them? Just looking for some guidance.[/QUOTE]Mate, I have a lingerie business and we rely on a few trustworthy Insta models to assist us with advertising and promotion in return for product.

The girls can then use our stuff to create content on other platforms, and we can use any photo's they get to promote our range. Basically a handshake deal.

The whole Insta scene has been littered with so-called influencers and opportunistic girls who all copy what all the others do to try and make a buck. Very few succeed due to the huge competition.

Just like every western chick turning her hand to amateur bedroom porn on Only Fans in the hope of making cash.

The Pina's generally don't use Insta.

If you do find one on there, they'll be more of the professional type who won't jump at the chance to blow a foreigner on a chance meet-up.

Or if they lead you along, they'll still try to screw you over at a higher rate with no reward.

Better off playing the field on PL if you ask me.

Just from (vast) experience _ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3037527]Very few succeed due to the huge competition.[/QUOTE]And that online success actually takes some savy and work. For every girl earning $100 k a month, there are thousands earning nothing. The super successful girls run significant businesses supported by skilled staff. Most girls think that that are going to make it big with a poory lit bedroom, an iPhone, click a few pics and watch the money roll in.

Go watch Caleb Hammer's interview of the OF girl who had millions tune in to watch her sleep. I forget her name. She's got a team of advisors and professional staff around her and speaks knowledgeably about where she invests her earnings and allocating her limited time to activities that deliver the greatest return. Most pinas struggle to put together a Live of them doing laundry only replying when a Super Chat comes in.

Maybe there is the opportunity for guys to come in and manage a few girls and do things properly as OF managers but I could see a porinor running foul of the law and being locked up.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Transporter;3036937]Was bit bored last night, so I took a walk around my area (malate) to see if there were any casa (s) available. Too my surprise I couldn't find any, I thought I would be able to find something but alas the changing times. I popped my head into a few establishments, and there seems to be a bit of a racket going on in those bars. They may look like buy me drinky bars and ktvs, but there is action in those bars. There are no bar fines that I could find, but a deal can be made to meet on their off days or after shifts, so there is something there if you want to look.

On a side note was in quiapo for some shopping (picked up a solar generator just in case) and had a drink at a bar and was no problem arranging the girl to come out after her shift. The particular bar I was in was 24 hours, and the girls ran 8 hour shifts, so it was quite easy to arrange something for the evening. Just so no one asks later it was 6. 5 k for overnight with the bar girl there. I do not know if it was a good or bad price, as it was the first time I pulled something from a bar in quiapo, it is what it is.[/QUOTE]

I was under the impression that the idea of casas exists primarily in Latin America, visited several of them in Mexico and Colombia, very much intrigued to know that they also exist in Philippines. If you or anyone has info about casas in and around Manila, please do share.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3037552]I was under the impression that the idea of casas exists primarily in Latin America, visited several of them in Mexico and Colombia, very much intrigued to know that they also exist in Philippines. If you or anyone has info about casas in and around Manila, please do share.[/QUOTE]Granted I've only been doing this a bit over 30 years, so my experience is a small sample size, but casas do exist here in PI. There are a few different kind of casas that I use to frequent a lot. I say use to frequent a lot as a bit over 10 years ago, I stopped going to casas and bars and put about 99% of my attention and take / pulls from online venues. I can explain it in the ways that I categorize them keep in mind that it is not facts, just the way I view things.

Casas I guess is quite a general term, but globally recognized and I break them down into different types. 1) what I consider true casas are dorms, boarding houses and such that you visit, walk around and find a girl to take out, they consist of mostly students, call center girls, factory girls, and out of the city girls that came to work, and are located in many urban areas and around schools and call centers. 2) Semi Pro Casas are just a boarding house that is managed and some of the girls are brought in under contract, a lot of the massage girls you get online operate in such a manner where the manager brings them in from outside and houses them and takes a cut. 3) Pro Casas are sometimes live in but most gather at a location sort of like a fish bowl and you can go in there and choose from a bunch of girls and choose ST or LT. These types of casas usually have the best looking girls but everyone has their hand in the kitty and it annoys me a bit that there is a hand out to everyone. The driver that brought you their, the boy that opens the door, the boy that offers you a drink, the bouncers, managers, and even the lady sweeping the floor wants a tip. Keep in mind it is important to tip the manager (one of the higher ups) and make sure to get his card. Even if you don't pull any girls at that time remember the girls names, and write it down as later it is easy to call the manager and have delivery service 24/7. 4) Bar Casas range from small 4-6 girls to large 40+ girls bar casas. A lot of the girls live in, and may or may not be still on contract. Its one of my favs to go to and use to exist toward UN end of malate. Its great because if you are in a hurry you could just go in, get a roll call and grab what you need or you could get a drink sit and interview girls to your galore. Its basically the same as burgos or ac bars just that many of the girls were brought in under contract and either live their or are housed off site and managed by the bar (although housing arrangements seem similar to some of the other bars the girls seem to have a bit more autonomy). 5) One step above that is where I drop the "casa" as if you drop a lot of money and promotion into a Pro Casa you get a GM club and that is entirely different.

Now where to find them, I've been out of the casa business for over 10 years, so you just got to put out feelers and have a look. Online has been way easier and productive for me, so I haven't found the need to go to any casas in a long time, just was recently curious about them.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3037551]

Go watch Caleb Hammer's interview of the OF girl who had millions tune in to watch her sleep. I forget her name. [/QUOTE]My apologies. I didn't realise how ridiculous it was to suggest to go find a random hot girl interview with a guy who has 3000 videos.

I was talking about his interview and financial deep dive with Amouranth.

[URL]https://youtu.be/A9-JedX1Et4?si=OoW2lhHCXM05c4Zu[/URL]

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3037551]Go watch Caleb Hammer's interview of the OF girl who had millions tune in to watch her sleep. I forget her name. She's got a team of advisors and professional staff around her and speaks knowledgeably about where she invests her earnings and allocating her limited time to activities that deliver the greatest return. Most pinas struggle to put together a Live of them doing laundry only replying when a Super Chat comes in.

Maybe there is the opportunity for guys to come in and manage a few girls and do things properly as OF managers but I could see a porinor running foul of the law and being locked up.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I've looked into it G.

We have a lingerie business and use some Aussie models who also have OF accounts.

I've done a few photo shoots in The Phils and have looked into managing a few girls. OF won't allow Filipinas to sign up.

I've tried to guide a few of the prettier ones how to cash in on their looks on Insta and the like. It all goes over their heads.

The Phils is still stuck in the world of Facebook and now they're hooked on Tik Toc. Business sense is very difficult to transfer. They worry about today.

It's not a criticism. It's the way it is when poverty lingers.

I just wish some of them could see the opportunities available.

_ Phil.

[QUOTE=Nuggy12;3037413]Hey yall,

So I have a trip to China for work and am looking to take a little party weekend detour to Manila after my business in China having been before. Fell in love with the girls and came at a very expensive price tag the last time as it was all BF girls from club- Maisons and Lips to name a few.

Currently on PL and trying out the online / FL route and I am struggling to get birds lined up for the weekend as reading on here it seems FL are more cost effective but come with their own risks following the daily blogs I see on ISG.

Ideally I don't want to be splurging as much as I did last time (I mean why spend more than you need to right? Strategy I am using as suggested by many on the ISG bible is just being upfront with what I want, so here is my opener "Coming to Manila soon and will be staying at CGG in Makati, will pay 2500 per day with food and drinks"..[/QUOTE]Any advice on this guys?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3036479]Recently I contact a 9+ on FB out of the blue. She replied and said she was a model. After some dancing around I asked if she was open to meeting up discreetly. She replied possibly yes but what was the allowance? I said 5 k. She replied "I am a model. Starting at 50 k po." I thanked her for her time.

You might have to start at 15 k plus for your criteria.[/QUOTE]Most of the girls I talked to quoted 20 k+, but went down for 10 k. I'm not yet 40 and reasonably fit. Even so, I don't see myself staying in Manila. The city is a disaster. Basically if a rural US town (depressing, crappy food, fat people with unhealthy habits) had a baby with a Latin American country (crime, dysfunction, guys with guns guarding everything). I've bought so many fruits / vegetables that were essentially flavorless, I'm probably leaving in a week to avoid having the shit vibe impacting mine.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3037784]Most of the girls I talked to quoted 20 k+, but went down for 10 k. I'm not yet 40 and reasonably fit. Even so, I don't see myself staying in Manila. The city is a disaster. Basically if a rural US town (depressing, crappy food, fat people with unhealthy habits) had a baby with a Latin American country (crime, dysfunction, guys with guns guarding everything). I've bought so many fruits / vegetables that were essentially flavorless, I'm probably leaving in a week to avoid having the shit vibe impacting mine.[/QUOTE]Yes at your age you should have no problem scoring for free in the US. Don't waste your time and money here.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3037784]Even so, I don't see myself staying in Manila. The city is a disaster. Basically if a rural US town (depressing, crappy food, fat people with unhealthy habits) had a baby with a Latin American country (crime, dysfunction). [/QUOTE]Spot on! Quote of the week. Acquired taste. And so on.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3037784](guys with guns guarding everything). [/QUOTE]There's more. You might have missed something regarding those guns. The guards might have holsters with no gun in it. Or alternately there might be a gun, but no ammunition. Those guards are the 'Barney Fife' of the far east.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3037784]I don't see myself staying in Manila. The city is a disaster.[/QUOTE]No truer words could be said and indeed applies pretty much to the whole country. That being said, there are many who like it that way. Imperfection has its charms.

[QUOTE]I'm probably leaving in a week to avoid having the shit vibe impacting mine.[/QUOTE]Then it is back to Europe and 'Merica for you. So Filipinas weren't able to provide more erudite conversation than the immersive culture discussion you had with the Thai girl about the bum gun? At least your Asian trip will have taught you how to keep a clean ass, so best to count your blessings. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3036279]ThaiFriendly also got better. I landed an English speaking college girl who's finishing up her studies and going back to her hometown next week. Great conversation, Thai culture is truly unique in the world. But otherwise visually unimpressive. Most surprising was that the sex as well was mediocre and a bit staged despite the solid conversation and warmup. [b]We did however talk about the water hose attached to the toilet[/b], which is apparently the best way to clean up and toilet paper should only be used to dry (news for me).

Anyhow, my impression remains that finding any kind of connection here is unlikely. And that's unlikely in most Asian countries, for cultural reasons. The cultural homogeneity and racial differences lead people to see themselves as "different" from caucasians. It takes more education and world experience to realize that we're all the same. The one exception in the area (I hope) might be the [b]Philippines, which will be my next destination. I'm betting the overwhelming friendliness of the people there, the Spanish and American influences, will make it easier to find non-transactional experiences in the Asian world.[/b][/QUOTE]

I've been reading the Manila / Makati forums, and the experiences seem mixed. Some good, but a few reports of scams, setups, harassments. A couple of recent posts even mentioned that visiting now could be a big disappointment especially the freelancer scene. I have never stayed in Manila, but when I visited AC three years ago (went straight from Manila airport), it wasn't like this at all, it was as good as I hoped; I got nagged by LBs, massage ladies, and people asking for tips but never got harassed.

I originally planned 6 nights in Jakarta on my outbound and 4 nights in Manila on the return, because of Ramadan and things can be quiet in Jakarta during that period. But now after reading these recent posts, I'm starting to wonder if it was a good decision to choose Manila or if I should just stay in Jakarta for all 10 nights because it's a known quantity for me and comes with none of this drama.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3037828]A couple of recent posts even mentioned that visiting now could be a big disappointment especially the freelancer scene.

I originally planned 6 nights in Jakarta on my outbound and 4 nights in Manila on the return, because of Ramadan and things can be quiet in Jakarta during that period. But now after reading these recent posts, I'm starting to wonder if it was a good decision to choose Manila or if I should just stay in Jakarta for all 10 nights because it's a known quantity for me and comes with none of this drama.[/QUOTE]What drama? Those disappointed by Manila tend to fall into two categories: the 'scammed' where a fool and his money were soon parted and; those who have their trips planned to the minute and come away downhearted when their holiday didn't operate with military precision.

We've all had disappointing nights and 10's that were in fact 4's in person but just shake it off and move on. Manila specifically and Philippines generally can be great fun but if you are the type of guy who needs to know what will be happening at 7:15 pm Tuesday night, then I'd agree that they aren't for you.

A 6/4 split between Jakarta and Manila sounds about right. They are very similar but the biggest differences is that, post Blok M collapse, Jakarta is a place to go to one venue at a time where as Manila has entertainment areas where you can easily walk from one to another, sampling each. During Ramadan, I would take Manila over Jakarta any year.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3037784]Most of the girls I talked to quoted 20 k+, but went down for 10 k. I'm not yet 40 and reasonably fit. Even so, I don't see myself staying in Manila. The city is a disaster. Basically if a rural US town (depressing, crappy food, fat people with unhealthy habits) had a baby with a Latin American country (crime, dysfunction, guys with guns guarding everything). I've bought so many fruits / vegetables that were essentially flavorless, I'm probably leaving in a week to avoid having the shit vibe impacting mine.[/QUOTE]With respect, if you are repeatedly getting replies that don't suit you, then you are looking in the wrong areas.

There are many many hot girls in the Philippines, some of whom are well educated and can hold a conversation. It's a mistake to assume that every Pina is an illiterate famers daughter, struggling to make ends meet after the local trike driver knocked her up. Obviously 'quality' girls are not going to be found slinging pussy on an overpass somewhere. You need to go where they are. They also have options so you will need to offer something in return beyond offering $20 for a blow job. That could be a proper date, being socially acceptable yourself, cold hard cash or a combination of all of the above.

I'm not sure what your likes and priorities are.

For online, you could try Seeking, IG or Facebook.

For dating apps, try Filipina Cupid or others where the girls have to pay for membership.

For clubs and freelancers, try the Makati and Poblacion clubs.

For organic meet ups, try food halls where regular working girls meet for lunch, BGC cafes and restobars or roof top bars. Note that none of these are going to be point and shoot.

Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3037784]Most of the girls I talked to quoted 20 k+, but went down for 10 k. I'm not yet 40 and reasonably fit. Even so, I don't see myself staying in Manila. The city is a disaster. Basically if a rural US town (depressing, crappy food, fat people with unhealthy habits) had a baby with a Latin American country (crime, dysfunction, guys with guns guarding everything). I've bought so many fruits / vegetables that were essentially flavorless, I'm probably leaving in a week to avoid having the shit vibe impacting mine.[/QUOTE]Under 40 and being fit will not get you a discount or freebie in the PH PNP world. PNP girls are trying pay bills and feed their family. It doesn't sound like Philippines is for you.

An unknown fact that many westerners don't know, there are few examples in this thread, is that to get a receptionist job in the PH you need a college degree, for other shitty jobs too, including thousands of call center girls. In other words there are a lot, I mean a lot of educated girls. Contrary to the popular believe that they are all uneducated.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3037943]An unknown fact that many westerners don't know, there are few examples in this thread, is that to get a receptionist job in the PH you need a college degree, for other shitty jobs too, including thousands of call center girls. In other words there are a lot, I mean a lot of educated girls. Contrary to the popular believe that they are all uneducated.[/QUOTE]I read a government stat, about a decade ago, that said that pinoy graduating outside engineering or hard sciences can expect to wait about 5-6 years to find gainful employment in their field. Terribly depressing information.

Second item. For the past several days, my AV software picks up every clicked link on ISG (twice each time) as unsafe (see pic). Happens with any browser.

And annuder ting. Tiny, bubbly cuties abound in the big city. Find one. Or go to BKK.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3037943]An unknown fact that many westerners don't know, there are few examples in this thread, is that to get a receptionist job in the PH you need a college degree, for other shitty jobs too, including thousands of call center girls. In other words there are a lot, I mean a lot of educated girls. Contrary to the popular believe that they are all uneducated.[/QUOTE]Sorry to be THAT guy but the attraction of most call center jobs is that they are well paid but don't require a degree. Just the ability to handle hundreds of obnoxious and abusive customers per day calling the Help Desk.

You're correct in saying that it's surprising how many low level jobs require qualifications. The girl selling you socks in SM and fetching you a icecream cone in Jollie Bee is probably a college grad. She probably had to beat out hundreds of other girls to get the job and will be fired after 6 months so that the company doesn't have to pay her any benefits too.

Cheers. G.

The girls so far have been sweet, complacent and above average communicators. However, my limited sample size shows girls generally fit in two categories: (1) locals who while well-intentioned become unreliable by association with so many people who are failures and (2) pros who realize the country is a disaster and have either "worked" outside or are on the path to doing so. For the first group, the term rolling emergencies from a previous post is accurate.

For me, both groups are depressing to associate with. I'm not into pros, and for personal reasons, I can't respect weakness. On the other hand, it's refreshing to have clarity on which cultures do work by seeing those that don't.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3037784]Most of the girls I talked to quoted 20 k+, but went down for 10 k. I'm not yet 40 and reasonably fit. Even so, I don't see myself staying in Manila. The city is a disaster. Basically if a rural US town (depressing, crappy food, fat people with unhealthy habits) had a baby with a Latin American country (crime, dysfunction, guys with guns guarding everything). I've bought so many fruits / vegetables that were essentially flavorless, I'm probably leaving in a week to avoid having the shit vibe impacting mine.[/QUOTE]Mate, if you were getting quotes for 10 - 20 k, you were probably looking in the wrong places or haven't dug deeper into the options available via this forum.

Sure, I agree, Manila can be a shithole, but you can definitely have a good time for a few days and travel quite cheaply to other areas or islands.

If you're an under-40 foreigner and fit as you mention, in some of these places, even Manila, you'd have sex on tap in The Phils with some pretty hot girls _ From experience.

I can't compare the fruit and veggies. Never had a problem with them.

Have always (since my first visit when I was 21/22) been focused on the pussy platter instead.

_ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3037984]Mate, if you were getting quotes for 10 - 20 k, you were probably looking in the wrong places or haven't dug deeper into the options available via this forum.

Sure, I agree, Manila can be a shithole, but you can definitely have a good time for a few days and travel quite cheaply to other areas or islands.

If you're an under-40 foreigner and fit as you mention, in some of these places, even Manila, you'd have sex on tap in The Phils with some pretty hot girls _ From experience.

I can't compare the fruit and veggies. Never had a problem with them.

Have always (since my first visit when I was 21/22) been focused on the pussy platter instead.

_ Phil.[/QUOTE]The fruits and veggies are identical in taste with the ones in the USA, just smaller size, and more expensive in the PH.

In both countries the main ingredient in the manufacturing formula seems to be plastic. In addition the PH tomatoes and peppers have the thickest skin on the planet, I think they are engineered for interplanetary travel food supplies.

On the other hand on my island in may-June when the mangoes are ripe, and start falling from the trees on the side of the road, you never tasted something more juicy, full of flavor and aroma, diabetes inducing sweet. I was thinking to experiment making wine or buzz out of them.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3037874]What drama? Those disappointed by Manila tend to fall into two categories: the 'scammed' where a fool and his money were soon parted and; those who have their trips planned to the minute and come away downhearted when their holiday didn't operate with military precision.

We've all had disappointing nights and 10's that were in fact 4's in person but just shake it off and move on. Manila specifically and Philippines generally can be great fun but if you are the type of guy who needs to know what will be happening at 7:15 pm Tuesday night, then I'd agree that they aren't for you.

A 6/4 split between Jakarta and Manila sounds about right. They are very similar but the biggest differences is that, post Blok M collapse, Jakarta is a place to go to one venue at a time where as Manila has entertainment areas where you can easily walk from one to another, sampling each. During Ramadan, I would take Manila over Jakarta any year.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the input. I've decided to stick with my plan of spending 4 nights in Manila and not let someone else's experience change that. From my own experience, Jakarta is easier, cheaper to find girls at a few concentrated spots but harder to have conversations, whereas in Filipino women are easy to talk to because of language and culture. However, I will switch my hotel to Malate from Makati so I can get a taste of authentic Filipino life food, music, transportation, the whole vibe, and closer access to freelancers at Midnight Heaven, G Spot, Robinsons. From what I've read, Makati mostly caters to foreigners with its go-go bars, nightlife, clubs, freelancers in and around P Burgos St are mostly organized streetwalkers controlled by pimps.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3038027]Thanks for the input. I've decided to stick with my plan of spending 4 nights in Manila and not let someone else's experience change that. From my own experience, Jakarta is easier, cheaper to find girls at a few concentrated spots but harder to have conversations, whereas in Filipino women are easy to talk to because of language and culture. However, I will switch my hotel to Malate from Makati so I can get a taste of authentic Filipino life food, music, transportation, the whole vibe, and closer access to freelancers at Midnight Heaven, G Spot, Robinsons. From what I've read, Makati mostly caters to foreigners with its go-go bars, nightlife, clubs, freelancers in and around P Burgos St are mostly organized streetwalkers controlled by pimps.[/QUOTE]Just a warning: while the pussy is the best in SEA, there is nothing authentic about food or life in general. Music will be the neighborhood karaoke, with the most boring songs you ever heard, handpicked to sound the same, no salt and pepper, no kick to them.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3038063]Just a warning: while the pussy is the best in SEA, there is nothing authentic about food or life in general. Music will be the neighborhood karaoke, with the most boring songs you ever heard, handpicked to sound the same, no salt and pepper, no kick to them.[/QUOTE]Yes, if it wasn't for the pussy, and perhaps the lower cost of living, I doubt any foreigners would come here. I know I wouldn't. Even Filipinos hate their corrupt government and low wages. Hence the high numbers of overseas Filipino workers. High, slow traffic caused by stupid trikes and jeepneys, god awful deafening karaoke, unnecessary bureaucracy, long lines and general lack of Filipino planning for anything more than a day in advance are more reasons to complain about this charming, ill-managed country.

While I haven't sampled the sex in other SEA countries besides Thailand, I can confirm that so far, the sex here has been better than Thailand. In that it's less transactional and less fake (or I just can't tell it's fake). However, the GFE has been lighter than I'm used to perhaps due to my beard. It's well trimmed but "tickles". Has anyone else had this problem?

I may also have discovered a problem to the food. Which is to test drive some girls here for a week, then fly out to somewhere with better food and fly the girl I like in on the weekends. Leaning towards doing that because sensitive stomach has digestive issues here even when I mostly cook at home, and buy from (like the 2) organic markets.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3038272]While I haven't sampled the sex in other SEA countries besides Thailand, I can confirm that so far, the sex here has been better than Thailand. In that it's less transactional and less fake (or I just can't tell it's fake). However, the GFE has been lighter than I'm used to perhaps due to my beard. It's well trimmed but "tickles". Has anyone else had this problem?

I may also have discovered a problem to the food. Which is to test drive some girls here for a week, then fly out to somewhere with better food and fly the girl I like in on the weekends. Leaning towards doing that because sensitive stomach has digestive issues here even when I mostly cook at home, and buy from (like the 2) organic markets.[/QUOTE]I did DFK with 2 bar fined girls, 2 freelancers and 1 massage lady (she was lactating I tasted her milk too) in Angels City, they were as good as the Thai girls (Bangkok, Pattaya, Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Phuket).

My overall experience had been very positive with filipino ladies (even outside Philippines), they are less transactional and even though some initially were shy but once the clothes are off they shed the shyness too. During my last visit, one of days I had come 4 times and was meeting 3 lady (that I found through DIA), since I couldn't come and was tired I stopped and sat on the couch. She came over and gave me BBJ after few minutes and made sure I came (her mouth). I would certainly spend more time when I visit next time.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3038272]While I haven't sampled the sex in other SEA countries besides Thailand, I can confirm that so far, the sex here has been better than Thailand. In that it's less transactional and less fake (or I just can't tell it's fake). However, the GFE has been lighter than I'm used to perhaps due to my beard. It's well trimmed but "tickles". Has anyone else had this problem?

I may also have discovered a problem to the food. Which is to test drive some girls here for a week, then fly out to somewhere with better food and fly the girl I like in on the weekends. Leaning towards doing that because sensitive stomach has digestive issues here even when I mostly cook at home, and buy from (like the 2) organic markets.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yendappu;3038304]During my last visit, one of days I had come 4 times and was meeting 3 lady (that I found through DIA), since I couldn't come and was tired I stopped and sat on the couch. She came over and gave me BBJ after few minutes and made sure I came (her mouth). I would certainly spend more time when I visit next time.[/QUOTE]This is pretty common. Especially amongst girls 27+.

Most take it as a personal insult when told that I'm tired and may not be able to finish.

I've had several literally laugh at me and say 'not on my watch' then proceed to ensure that the seeds are spilt.

IMFITP.

G.

I'm going to try out Manila Courtesans based on positive reviews here. Can anyone recommend a particular WG on their roster? I'm looking for someone who is open to photography and a facial. This is explicitly excluded in their website, so I expect it would be the result of some additional financial incentives.

Seventy pounds of good clean fun in the city. Tiny delights await.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3038272]While I haven't sampled the sex in other SEA countries besides Thailand, I can confirm that so far, the sex here has been better than Thailand. In that it's less transactional and less fake (or I just can't tell it's fake). However, the GFE has been lighter than I'm used to perhaps due to my beard. It's well trimmed but "tickles". Has anyone else had this problem?

I may also have discovered a problem to the food. Which is to test drive some girls here for a week, then fly out to somewhere with better food and fly the girl I like in on the weekends. Leaning towards doing that because sensitive stomach has digestive issues here even when I mostly cook at home, and buy from (like the 2) organic markets.[/QUOTE]Beard, especially short acts like sandpaper, it can seriously irritate sensitive skin if continuously rubbed against. Valid for both sets of lips, pussy and mouth. I used to have beard all my life, I shaved it off 20 years ago when duck dynasty made it fashionable.

Still have to be careful because half day after shaving I'm already a living sanding machine.

Adapt your diet, you're here for pussy, not for epicurean adventures. Plain rice, and some well cooked meat, and veggies, maybe bread. Forget everything else, you should be fine.

Test driving the girls before taking them in a trip is a must.

Old-time horn-dog visitors to Manila wax poetically about the Ermita district's heyday, which began its precipitous decline about 25 years ago. Plenty of guys still visit its most prominent club, the Midnight Haven (LA Cafe). But the area used to offer so much more for primarily Western visitors.

My first visit was 20 years ago and continued yearly until I moved here permanently. Fondly I remember Club Amazonia, Speedy Bar, Hussy's, The Bistro, and the Southern Cross bar / hotel, along with a few others whose names escape me. My go-to hotels were the Cherry Blossoms and La Corona. All gone now, with no replacements (except the Dusk to Dawn Bar).

There are still a few foreigner-centric bars left in the area, but only one offers "bar fines" for outside companionship. All have western-style menus with varied types of moderately-priced comfort foods, which is great for us who live here and aren't enamored with Philippine cuisine. My nightly routine is to start with dinner, beers, chatting, and music at one place, then walk (stumble) to another one or two venues. If the evening gets late and I have not yet found / rented a companion, I head to Midnight Haven to find a sure thing.

I would never recommend anyone visit the area explicitly for naughty nightlife, as it's quite limited compared to Makati and Malate. But I always manage to have a good time. Just watch out for the shitty sidewalks.

Here are my opinions about each remaining club (sans Midnight Haven, which has been chronicled extensively in this thread). Locations are easily found on Google Maps.

G-POINT: Great place to relax, play pool, and listen to live music. Easy to chat with other foreigners and pick their brains about available carnal options. Waitresses are generally attractive, but none are barfine-able.

Most nights there are upwards of 5-15 freelance hookers awaiting customers who will buy them a drink (regular price, no surcharge) and hopefully whisk them away for erotic interludes. Similar in scope to the Midnight Haven.

In its prime, there was a nice mix of young and well-seasoned women. Today, the young ones are gone, and the older ones have morphed into well-worn dragons who ask outrageous fees for service. Even my 2 am Beer goggles can't turn them into keepers. But it's perfect for the guy who desires a little sag in their hag.

DUCK INN: Similar to the G-Point, except freelancers are not allowed to ply their wares inside. Waitresses are friendly and talkative, and a sign on the wall states that customers can offer to buy them beverages with a P50 surcharge. None are barfine-able.

MCKIE'S BAR AND RESTAURANT (Toshie's): Another good place to hang out and talk with the guys. Has a "U" shaped bar seating arrangement. Female staff is friendly and most likely a chatty one will ask for an inflated-priced beverage called a Lady's Drink (LD) from which she earns a commission. The problem is the price is a bit steep at P380 and she will remain inside the bartender's area so you can't sit close and cuddle and "explore". No barfines offered here.

Before the Pandemic, Toshie's used to allow outside gals to sit with customers to solicit LDs. Not anymore.

DUSK TO DAWN BAR: Newer and more upscale than other clubs in the area, but with reasonable prices for drinks and food. Friendly and flirty waitresses attired in somewhat skimpy outfits. You can offer to buy one a lady's drink, which she will keep at your table and come back to visit when there are breaks in her duties. No barfines, but conversations indicate that fun is negotiable if you're a persuasive guy, haha.

I've never made contact with any obvious freelancers looking for business, but I'm usually never there alone.

Nice place, located a stone's throw north of the Midnight Haven club.

DAKOTA CABIN: Located across the street from the large Calle 5 Filipino-centric bar complex. Aviation-themed club that centers around the old "C"-47 cargo plane. Friendly owner, friendlier expat patrons. Ownership does not allow unescorted women (freelancers) to sit there. No naughtiness at all, but it's a comfy place to hang.

I heard through the grapevine that ownership changed hands a couple of months ago and the club has been renamed.

THE AUSSIE SLOUCH HAT: I saved the best for last. The complex has two bars and an upstairs hotel. The larger pub is just a regular beer bar with pool tables. No sultry waitresses, but still a relaxing place to down a beverage or three.

The smaller next-door bar is well air-conditioned and has curtains over the windows. On duty are between 4-8 GROs (Guest Relations Officers), typically between 35-45 years old. Two gals on my last visits were definitely in their 50's!

Yeah, I know most guys don't come to the Philippines to hang out with older women. But this bar potentially offers experiences that are tough to find in other places (your mileage may vary, of course).

First, the Slouch Hat is Manila's equivalent of the bar in the old American TV show called "Cheers". It is geared toward the older western expat or frequent Manila visitor who enjoys being remembered and pampered by the staff. There is very little employee turnover there, and many gals stay for several months or years. I visit Manila a couple of times a year and the bartenders and a few of the girls always greet me by name. The attention and remembrance massages my ego.

Second, beverage prices are reasonable for a Manila girlie bar. P120 for a domestic beer and a lady's drink is only P200. The gals normally drink gin and tonic and they definitely are not watered down. A few months ago I bought 5 LD for a gal and she was totally shit-faced by closing time.

The gals are quite chatty and fun and are not pushy about asking for cocktails. They are also instructed by management not to gulp down their drinks.

Third (and most importantly), it is the only pub in the area that has bar fines. Prices are quite fair at P1,500 for short time or P3,000 for all night, which includes the early release fee and payment to the girl.

Short time rooms are available upstairs for P1,000. Be aware that not all girls are willing to be bar-fined, but I have not had one turn me down.

From my perspective, most of the customers are there just to relax and enjoy some attention. More than a few even bring their wives or girl friends, with a couple gals being former Slouch Hat employees.

But I've seen plenty of guys and gals "perving" away at their chairs / stools. And on many occasions, I've engaged in deep french kissing and pelvic area exploring, with nary a disapproving word uttered by anyone there.

As the male bartender there says, "Whatever happens in the bar, stays in the bar".

A couple of years ago, I saw a guy take three ladies away. When I visited a couple of days later, my regular gal said he took them upstairs for a foursome. Hopefully a memorable "Menage a Quatre".

The Slouch Hat appeals more to the attention-seeker than the vagina-slayer. Yes, the women are older and there are no diamonds in the rough, but most are quite accommodating. Prices are reasonable and I consider it to be an okay alternative to the Midnight Haven bar.

One huge advantage is that area hotels are reasonably priced. The local Go Hotel and Red Planet (Manila Bay) room rate is around $35 USA, with the nearby Rosas Garden, Anex, and Airo Hotels around $25. The Anex is right across the street from the Slouch Hat, making short time encounters quite feasible.

Of course, a guy is going to have a lot more fun on Burgos Street in Makati. But not every visitor has a fat bank account. So, if you're a bit underfunded or frugal, Ermita might be for you, as long as you dial down your sexpectations quite a bit. And thanks to the nearby Midnight Haven bar, no one has to go home empty bedded.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;3039223]
Here are my opinions about each remaining club (sans Midnight Haven, which has been chronicled extensively in this thread). Locations are easily found on Google Maps.
[/QUOTE]Appreciate your efforts in compiling such details. You are right, a lot of Info on Makati / LAC but not much about Malate. I always wondered how the KTVs and MPs fare in that area.

Thanks for the hotel details as well, will try to explore this region when I visit Intramuros.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;3039223]Old-time horn-dog visitors to Manila wax poetically about the Ermita district's heyday, which began its precipitous decline about 25 years ago. Plenty of guys still visit its most prominent club, the Midnight Haven (LA Cafe). But the area used to offer so much more for primarily Western visitors.

Here are my opinions about each remaining club (sans Midnight Haven, which has been chronicled extensively in this thread). Locations are easily found on Google Maps.

.[/QUOTE]THANKS Keen eye. I will be spending 5 weeks in Ermita and I was wondering about some of those bars you talked about. Slouch hat seems like a nice place to hang out for a man like me nearing retirement. Not sure I would BF any of the women there but I might when I want a more relaxing fuck and especially if she knows how to please a man, like older working gals do. So again, thanks!

[QUOTE=CageMonkey;3039372]THANKS Keen eye. I will be spending 5 weeks in Ermita and I was wondering about some of those bars you talked about. Slouch hat seems like a nice place to hang out for a man like me nearing retirement. Not sure I would BF any of the women there but I might when I want a more relaxing fuck and especially if she knows how to please a man, like older working gals do. So again, thanks![/QUOTE]I'm a senior citizen living in the Philippines without a girlfriend, by choice. Women are great, but I doubt I'll ever let one through my front door again.

Not to sound effeminate, but now that I'm older, there are times I miss all the "lovey dovey" stuff. Sitting in a bar next to an attractive lady while drinking a couple of beverages. Having a great conversation with someone who thinks I'm funny and interesting. Holding hands, lightly resting my palm on her thigh as she leans in closer to me, putting our arms around each other, and cuddling, hugging, and kissing a bit. Slowly increasing the familiarity and instilling a bit of trust that I'm not just a lust-crazed swordsman.

Going through the progression from attraction to comfortability to sexiness while letting the alcohol lower our inhibitions.

After sensing she is capable of and willing to satisfy my emotional and sexual desires, offer to pay the barfine and either retreat directly to my room or head out on the town to another club like the nearby Cowboy Grill to drink and listen to the band before hitting the sheets.

Then my world returns to a solitary normalcy once she's exited my hotel room after one or two or twelve hours of bliss.

Most guys reading this forum are aimed primarily toward getting their rocks off. I get it, as I was that guy until a couple of years ago. But for me and obviously plenty of other older bar patrons, we value the "Short Time Girl Friend Experience".

And this is where the Slouch Hat Bar excels for the right patron. I can spend a couple of hours there either gabbing with the gang and / or schmoozing with a solitary bar girl at a wall-side table. Possibly "ring the bell" to buy the house a round of lady's drinks, which is a great P1000 to P1600 investment if you are planning future visits. And it helps that I've been coming there for years and the long-time bartenders will vouch for my reputation as a fairly decent guy.

If it all feels right, then I barfine. If not, I either go back to the hotel and sleep it off or try my luck at the Midnight Haven (LA Cafe). You'd have to either be a picky mo-fo or come across as a primo dickhead not to have success at the Haven.

Finally, can you get all this sitting with a gal at the Midnight Haven? Of course. But remember that hookers there only earn money if you agree to pay her for sexual services, it's all or nothing. At the Slouch Hat, the bar girls earn a daily appearance allowance as well as collecting commissions from the lady's drinks. Easier to enjoy the night and not feel pressured to move things along quickly.

Good luck in your endeavors. Great things can happen with an open mind and open wallet.

Fantastic reports. I've followed your posts in the Manila, Jakarta, and Taipei forums, and I must say, I'm floored by the way you narrate things. I've shared my own reports that are factual but admittedly dry, while yours are poetically captivating. Hats off to you.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;3039453]I'm a senior citizen living in the Philippines without a girlfriend, by choice. Women are great, but I doubt I'll ever let one through my front door again.

Not to sound effeminate, but now that I'm older, there are times I miss all the "lovey dovey" stuff. Sitting in a bar next to an attractive lady while drinking a couple of beverages. Having a great conversation with someone who thinks I'm funny and interesting. Holding hands, lightly resting my palm on her thigh as she leans in closer to me, putting our arms around each other, and cuddling, hugging, and kissing a bit. Slowly increasing the familiarity and instilling a bit of trust that I'm not just a lust-crazed swordsman.

Going through the progression from attraction to comfortability to sexiness while letting the alcohol lower our inhibitions.

After sensing she is capable of and willing to satisfy my emotional and sexual desires, offer to pay the barfine and either retreat directly to my room or head out on the town to another club like the nearby Cowboy Grill to drink and listen to the band before hitting the sheets.

Then my world returns to a solitary normalcy once she's exited my hotel room after one or two or twelve hours of bliss.

Most guys reading this forum are aimed primarily toward getting their rocks off. I get it, as I was that guy until a couple of years ago. But for me and obviously plenty of other older bar patrons, we value the "Short Time Girl Friend Experience".

And this is where the Slouch Hat Bar excels for the right patron. I can spend a couple of hours there either gabbing with the gang and / or schmoozing with a solitary bar girl at a wall-side table. Possibly "ring the bell" to buy the house a round of lady's drinks, which is a great P1000 to P1600 investment if you are planning future visits. And it helps that I've been coming there for years and the long-time bartenders will vouch for my reputation as a fairly decent guy.

If it all feels right, then I barfine. If not, I either go back to the hotel and sleep it off or try my luck at the Midnight Haven (LA Cafe). You'd have to either be a picky mo-fo or come across as a primo dickhead not to have success at the Haven.

Finally, can you get all this sitting with a gal at the Midnight Haven? Of course. But remember that hookers there only earn money if you agree to pay her for sexual services, it's all or nothing. At the Slouch Hat, the bar girls earn a daily appearance allowance as well as collecting commissions from the lady's drinks. Easier to enjoy the night and not feel pressured to move things along quickly.

Good luck in your endeavors. Great things can happen with an open mind and open wallet.[/QUOTE]

Province cutie gets to jet to Manila for some Westy time. Slender, booby, and compliant. A much-needed series of vaccinations. Glad to help.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3039847]Province cutie gets to jet to Manila for some Westy time. Slender, booby, and compliant. A much-needed series of vaccinations. Glad to help.[/QUOTE]Jeez you certainly have some 'connections' in The Phils Westie _ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3039929]Jeez you certainly have some 'connections' in The Phils Westie _ Phil.[/QUOTE]I been practicing. And holding on to my dream.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3039847]Province cutie gets to jet to Manila for some Westy time. Slender, booby, and compliant. A much-needed series of vaccinations. Glad to help.[/QUOTE]Hi Westy, I've noticed that you post a lot of pics of girls who are natural and unshaven. Is that a preference of yours, or is that just random?

I'm visiting the Philippines in a few weeks and can't figure out a tactful way of asking a girl if she has a natural, unshaven pussy, which is my strong preference. I'm not looking for garden variety P4 P girls, but more of a girlfriend experience. Do you find that girls out in the provinces are more likely to stay unshaven. Any tips on this would be appreciated.

RG.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;3040112]Hi Westy, I've noticed that you post a lot of pics of girls who are natural and unshaven. Is that a preference of yours, or is that just random?

I'm visiting the Philippines in a few weeks and can't figure out a tactful way of asking a girl if she has a natural, unshaven pussy, which is my strong preference. I'm not looking for garden variety P4 P girls, but more of a girlfriend experience. Do you find that girls out in the provinces are more likely to stay unshaven. Any tips on this would be appreciated.

RG.[/QUOTE]Girls in the provinces, especially those with less exposure to foreigners, are more likely to be eu-natural. However, they don't regard it as a major issue and are happy to arrive which ever way you prefer. Just slip your preference into the conversation without making a big deal about it and that's how she will arrive. Of course, she might need a couple of days notice for growth to return if she's currently shaving.

Remember that Asian girls naturally have less body hair so even years of growth with be very light compared to her western sisters. I've never met an Asian girl who needs to shave her legs for example. There is no hair to remove.

Enjoy. G.

FR on my second short trip to Manila. As posted earlier in this forum, I was traveling to KL and took a 4 days detour to Manila. This time I stayed at City Garden Grand Hotel, as suggested by the learned counsel here. Absolutely no complaints. They would call me before and after the girl left my room. the way the receptionist asked if everything was ok, i had half a mind of inviting her as well LoL.

Since I had just 4 days, I mainly relied on MC and PL. I realized this time, girls on PL keep oscillating between their province and Manila. Most of them from my last encounter (which was just a month before this trip) were not in Manila. But again, there's always fresh stock to explore, and I found 2 cute Morenas. One of them even decided to stay back for 24 hours, and I had to kick her out after that, since I wanted some variety LOL. She said she prefers my room over a shared accommodation with some cousin. So I told her to bring her cousin along next time LOL.

MC as expected was professional and delivered what it promised.

My only gripe with Manila is food. It just doesn't suit me. I somehow survived on KFC, cheese and crackers, and occasional comfort food at the filling station cafe on Burgos.

Cheers!!

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3040151]Since I had just 4 days, I mainly relied on MC and PL. I realized this time, girls on PL keep oscillating between their province and Manila. Most of them from my last encounter (which was just a month before this trip) were not in Manila. But again, there's always fresh stock to explore, and I found 2 cute Morenas. One of them even decided to stay back for 24 hours, and I had to kick her out after that, since I wanted some variety LOL. She said she prefers my room over a shared accommodation with some cousin. So I told her to bring her cousin along next time LOL.

MC as expected was professional and delivered what it promised.

[/QUOTE]Good report. Approximately what was your MC girl's prize?

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;3040112]Hi Westy, I've noticed that you post a lot of pics of girls who are natural and unshaven. Is that a preference of yours, or is that just random?

I'm visiting the Philippines in a few weeks and can't figure out a tactful way of asking a girl if she has a natural, unshaven pussy, which is my strong preference. I'm not looking for garden variety P4 P girls, but more of a girlfriend experience. Do you find that girls out in the provinces are more likely to stay unshaven. Any tips on this would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Eu-natural. Unshaven. Not sure what you fellas are talking about.

Yes to what Go said. Pro's, regardless of where, are more likely to be clean.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;3039453]I'm a senior citizen living in the Philippines without a girlfriend, by choice. Women are great, but I doubt I'll ever let one through my front door again.

Not to sound effeminate, but now that I'm older, there are times I miss all the "lovey dovey" stuff. Sitting in a bar next to an attractive lady while drinking a couple of beverages. Having a great conversation with someone who thinks I'm funny and interesting. Holding hands, lightly resting my palm on her thigh as she leans in closer to me, putting our arms around each other, and cuddling, hugging, and kissing a bit. Slowly increasing the familiarity and instilling a bit of trust that I'm not just a lust-crazed swordsman.

Going through the progression from attraction to comfortability to sexiness while letting the alcohol lower our inhibitions.

After sensing she is capable of and willing to satisfy my emotional and sexual desires, offer to pay the barfine and either retreat directly to my room or head out on the town to another club like the nearby Cowboy Grill to drink and listen to the band before hitting the sheets.

Then my world returns to a solitary normalcy once she's exited my hotel room after one or two or twelve hours of bliss..[/QUOTE]I agree, like your post. Coming there for many years I'm going to give your suggestion a try. Been to LA but not Slouch Hat or really explored much in the Ermita area. I need a change of pace, slower maybe as its always been Makati and Burgos street. That sounds a bit more layed back, maybe not the quality of Burgos but you never know. Thanks for the tip.

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3040151]My only gripe with Manila is food. It just doesn't suit me. I somehow survived on KFC, cheese and crackers, and occasional comfort food at the filling station cafe on Burgos.[/QUOTE]Go to the Greenbelt malls, for decent food. It's not far from Burgos.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3040220]Go to the Greenbelt malls, for decent food. It's not far from Burgos.[/QUOTE]On Burgos, I like Cantina opposite Dimples.

Nice snacks but, yes, you couldn't live off it 24/7.

+1 for Greenbelt. Western food everywhere. Even breakfasts.

G.

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3040151]

My only gripe with Manila is food. It just doesn't suit me. I somehow survived on KFC, cheese and crackers, and occasional comfort food at the filling station cafe on Burgos.

Cheers!![/QUOTE]I found a vegan option called cosmic nearby which had nice filipino food and you can try grab food delivery for more options and someday visit binondo chinatown also.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3040169]Good report. Approximately what was your MC girl's prize?[/QUOTE]They start with 5 K and upwards till 7 K for 2 hours. I chose the 6 K girls. Bao and Kendall. Both did not disappoint.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3040321]They start with 5 K and upwards till 7 K for 2 hours. I chose the 6 K girls. Bao and Kendall. Both did not disappoint.[/QUOTE]Great report. Nice to know MC delivers quality and on time service. I will have to try them at my NAIA hotel overnight stay prior to flying home. I have been bringing my proven Angeles girls for the night. I always have a proven girl on my arrival and departure. Always arrive happy and leave happy. Nothing worst than having a subpar session upon departure!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3040171]Eu-natural. Unshaven. Not sure what you fellas are talking about.

Yes to what Go said. Pro's, regardless of where, are more likely to be clean.[/QUOTE]The one on the left, wow that's a gorgeous muff. Unfortunately they are getting harder and harder to find, especially in the city.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3040337]Great report. Nice to know MC delivers quality and on time service. I will have to try them at my NAIA hotel overnight stay prior to flying home. I have been bringing my proven Angeles girls for the night. I always have a proven girl on my arrival and departure. Always arrive happy and leave happy. Nothing worst than having a subpar session upon departure![/QUOTE]Their charge for overnight (12 hours) is twice the 2 hour rate. So that might be a bit too much. I generally like to sleep alone after sex, so never booked the 12 hours service from them. Enjoy your time.

Cheers!

Oxygen.

[QUOTE=OxygenFresh;3040504]Their charge for overnight (12 hours) is twice the 2 hour rate. So that might be a bit too much. I generally like to sleep alone after sex, so never booked the 12 hours service from them. Enjoy your time..[/QUOTE]For 12 k I would rather book 2 separate 2 hour girls.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3040510]For 12 k I would rather book 2 separate 2 hour girls.[/QUOTE]People lost their minds, 12 k? Then, what's the purpose of flying around half the globe for a piece of pussy (or two), If it cost you more than at home, if you add the associated costs of getting, and staying here.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3040535]People lost their minds, 12 k? Then, what's the purpose of flying around half the globe for a piece of pussy (or two), If it cost you more than at home, if you add the associated costs of getting, and staying here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;3040510]For 12 k I would rather book 2 separate 2 hour girls.[/QUOTE]I've always been a big advocate for guys spending their money however and on whomever they wish.

Having said that 12 k is six times the LT rate in the provinces. Drop that much on the table and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole class wanted to join in for a very special weekend away.

Actually, that's given me an idea for a new bucket list inclusion.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3040535]People lost their minds, 12 k? Then, what's the purpose of flying around half the globe for a piece of pussy (or two), If it cost you more than at home, if you add the associated costs of getting, and staying here.[/QUOTE]As stated I myself would not pay 12 k for a girl for 12 hours on the surface. However IF I wanted 2 pops and to walk the beauty around on my arm going to a fancy restaurant and as my Lucky charm at the casino, why not?

Still this is considerably less than at home ($17.25 per hour). Besides I couldn't get caught walking a beauty around at home like this.

Anyone been in the VIP section of ManilaCourtesans? Are there more girls in there that aren't listed? Seems weird because you would want your top girls on your homepage right?

Also what are the other top escort sites? Google search seems to be very hit and miss.