Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1944534]You could check the new KitCat Lounge Club. But is in Jomtien. LOL.[/QUOTE]Visited KitCat Lounge just now and it is closed for renovations. Good timing. Anyone know if Kit Cat is like Kinnaree and is open late but the girls leave at 7 pm? Site says it is open from 3-11 pm.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1956075]Visited KitCat Lounge just now and it is closed for renovations. [/QUOTE]WOW they just open less than 2 months ago, and they are already close for renovations LOL.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1956063]You're absolutely right. These are definitely 1000 baht girls.[/QUOTE]And you probably can't find them / get them?

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1956037]Thanks for the informative detailed report, Franga.

I'm wondering if there is a hotel near to the Beach Road that would compare to Nana Hotel in Bangkok, which is within a few blocks of a supermarket or two, banks, seven eleven stores & such? Especially one that is close to the best location for freelancers on the Beach Road.

Regarding soi 6, what type of ladies are available there? Massage? Bar? Street walking freelancers? Are they available for take out to a hotel at reasonable cost?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]There are exchanges, ATMs, 7-11's and drug stores everywhere all along BR. Not sure about supermarkets!

Soi 6 has about everything other than freelancers. Most Soi 6 girls are not exactly attractive, but there are nearly always a few gems you can find and you may just have to walk back and forth a time or two. Most all will do long time for 2000 TB or so, though if you get them in the afternoon it won't get you an overnight stay. Mostly, Soi 6 is one long chain of bars, I. E. Brothels. Nothing else like it in the world I supposed. My favorite afternoon place to go. Some of the gems are as good as 90% of the WS gogo girls, at half the price.

There are a few ladyboys, mostly on the south side, so be careful.

[QUOTE=OfficeMatt;1955610]I am curious as to why people are always bringing cash with them when there are these marvellous inventions called ATMs everywhere? Is it just a cultural thing? I know that debit cards are ubiquitous in Canada but not as much in the US and Europe, but not sure how people view them. Carrying cash is just so damn risky, especially scads of it. ATM fees aren't really that much of a bother for me either when doing the risk analysis as well, just take out more and it is a pittance![/QUOTE]Or travelers cheques. Quite a few banks still cash them.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1956239]There are exchanges, ATMs, 7-11's and drug stores everywhere all along BR. Not sure about supermarkets!

Soi 6 has about everything other than freelancers. Most Soi 6 girls are not exactly attractive, but there are nearly always a few gems you can find and you may just have to walk back and forth a time or two. Most all will do long time for 2000 TB or so, though if you get them in the afternoon it won't get you an overnight stay. Mostly, Soi 6 is one long chain of bars, I. E. Brothels. Nothing else like it in the world I supposed. My favorite afternoon place to go. Some of the gems are as good as 90% of the WS gogo girls, at half the price.

There are a few ladyboys, mostly on the south side, so be careful.[/QUOTE]I beg to differ about not getting a Soi 6 girl LT in the afternoon, especially in the low season. I have had many girls stay LT when BFing them in the afternoons and most of them leave in the late morning to get ready for the next shift.

It's the usual case of if they like you, they will go with you.

If you make an effort to take them to places other than your room for the duration of the LT, then in my experience you get no trouble with repeats.

[QUOTE=Juicyclamlover;1956345]I beg to differ about not getting a Soi 6 girl LT in the afternoon, especially in the low season. I have had many girls stay LT when BFing them in the afternoons and most of them leave in the late morning to get ready for the next shift.

It's the usual case of if they like you, they will go with you.

If you make an effort to take them to places other than your room for the duration of the LT, then in my experience you get no trouble with repeats.[/QUOTE]Good to know. My research in LT is limited and the time or two I did they left after a few hours. Funny, one time I LT'd a girl just to go to my hotel and take a nap with me. I was very tired and feeling a little lonely and depressed (yeah, pathetic I know. In Pattaya and being lonely and depressed!) and we both nestled together and fell asleep.

But many of those girls are likely homesick and depressed and being asked to go out and actually do fun, nonsexual things should bring them some happiness which, one hopes, will be returned when you do get to the hotel. On my next trip, in just one week, I plan to ask a few out for the entire day and go do normal stuff, so I am glad to hear that they might indeed spend a full day / night.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1956037]Thanks for the informative detailed report, Franga.

I'm wondering if there is a hotel near to the Beach Road that would compare to Nana Hotel in Bangkok, which is within a few blocks of a supermarket or two, banks, seven eleven stores & such? Especially one that is close to the best location for freelancers on the Beach Road.

Regarding soi 6, what type of ladies are available there? Massage? Bar? Street walking freelancers? Are they available for take out to a hotel at reasonable cost?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]There is a grocery store in the basement floor of Central Festival Mall on Beach Road. It has a Hilton attached to it also.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1956379]Good to know. My research in LT is limited and the time or two I did they left after a few hours. Funny, one time I LT'd a girl just to go to my hotel and take a nap with me. I was very tired and feeling a little lonely and depressed (yeah, pathetic I know. In Pattaya and being lonely and depressed!) and we both nestled together and fell asleep.

But many of those girls are likely homesick and depressed and being asked to go out and actually do fun, nonsexual things should bring them some happiness which, one hopes, will be returned when you do get to the hotel. On my next trip, in just one week, I plan to ask a few out for the entire day and go do normal stuff, so I am glad to hear that they might indeed spend a full day / night.[/QUOTE]Take them shopping if you want them to be that kind of grateful. Bua Khao Market daytime on Tues. & Fri. And Thep Prasit Market after 17:00 on Fri., sat & sun are good spots.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1956394]There is a grocery store in the basement floor of Central Festival Mall on Beach Road. It has a Hilton attached to it also.[/QUOTE]Also Villla Market at Avenue Mall right beside Baraquda Hotel. Big see at Soi 2. All 3 including Central Market at Central Festival mall are along 2nd Road. 2 minute walk to Beach Road and on the baht bus route. I don't believe there is a major supermarket on Beach Road. Pinkpearl, sounds like you want to be near Central Festival mall. Beach road freelancers main area is from Soi 7 to Soi 13/2 but can be found from Soi 1 to Walking Street.

[QUOTE=OfficeMatt;1955610]I am curious as to why people are always bringing cash with them when there are these marvellous inventions called ATMs everywhere? Is it just a cultural thing? I know that debit cards are ubiquitous in Canada but not as much in the US and Europe, but not sure how people view them. Carrying cash is just so damn risky, especially scads of it. ATM fees aren't really that much of a bother for me either when doing the risk analysis as well, just take out more and it is a pittance![/QUOTE]I always use cash only in Thailand. One evening I did not have enough Thai baht and my location was far from any exchange place so I took 5000 baht from an ATM. The Thai bank took 200 baht and my bank charged me 350 plus the exchange rate was lower. Overall they took more than 10% of my money. I can eat a good meal for less than 100 baht in the food court in Terminal 21, I could get a very good meal in a Japanese restaurant in Gateway, or it could be 1/3 the price of a very good time with a very cute girl in Ruby bar Soi 6 for example. The counterpart is that I have to be very careful with my money as I am with my passport or my credit card.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1956450]Also Villla Market at Avenue Mall right beside Baraquda Hotel. Big see at Soi 2. All 3 including Central Market at Central Festival mall are along 2nd Road. 2 minute walk to Beach Road and on the baht bus route. I don't believe there is a major supermarket on Beach Road. Pinkpearl, sounds like you want to be near Central Festival mall. Beach road freelancers main area is from Soi 7 to Soi 13/2 but can be found from Soi 1 to Walking Street.[/QUOTE]Villa Market is very good for western food products.

This has been reported many times in the ISG by myself and other savvy travelers. The Charles Schwab NO FEE Debit ATM cards. Just conduct an advance search or click on the link below.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/search.php?searchid=2404084[/URL]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1956704]The Charles Schwab NO FEE Debit ATM cards. [/QUOTE]I believe this is in USA. Unfortunately, not available where I am from.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1956707]I believe this is in USA. Unfortunately, not available where I am from.[/QUOTE]This is probably true BB as far as the Charles Schwab card is concerned. But I know there is a certain European no fee ATM card as well. Unfortunately I can't recall the bank. Perhaps another board member can supply this information.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1956710]This is probably true BB as far as the Charles Schwab card is concerned. But I know there is a certain European no fee ATM card as well. Unfortunately I can't recall the bank. Perhaps another board member can supply this information.[/QUOTE]ING bank supplied a no fee card when you also had a credit card. Unfortunately it is no longer free, but fees are modest. You need to unblock the card for non-European use before leaving your home country.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1956710]This is probably true BB as far as the Charles Schwab card is concerned. But I know there is a certain European no fee ATM card as well. Unfortunately I can't recall the bank. Perhaps another board member can supply this information.[/QUOTE]Not anymore, unfortunately, Citibank was the last to join the club of the 200 Baht transaction fees robbers.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1956482]I always use cash only in Thailand. One evening I did not have enough Thai baht and my location was far from any exchange place so I took 5000 baht from an ATM. The Thai bank took 200 baht and my bank charged me 350 plus the exchange rate was lower. Overall they took more than 10% of my money. I can eat a good meal for less than 100 baht in the food court in Terminal 21, I could get a very good meal in a Japanese restaurant in Gateway, or it could be 1/3 the price of a very good time with a very cute girl in Ruby bar Soi 6 for example. The counterpart is that I have to be very careful with my money as I am with my passport or my credit card.[/QUOTE]That is a timely post, because I am thinking this situation out, prior to leaving for BKK in four weeks. Here is my currency management breakdown:

Take quite a bit of my budgeted cash in pristine $50 and $100 bills, and stash those with AMEX and VISA credit cards in an undergarment money belt for transit purposes. Keeping my debit card and a little bit of traveling cash in my wallet. Taking a large denomination travelers check in the event of an emergency, when cash is gone and ATMs are not a viable option (I had occasional issues in both Berlin and Medellin this past year with my Yanqui credit union debit card. I found ATMs that would accept it, but there was some inconvenience, running around and lost time involved). Yeah I know about the 153 baht vig, but its to be used in emergency situations, or otherwise cashed back home. Make debit card withdrawals judiciously and in large amounts. Keep only what I need to use in a day in my wallet, and keep the rest in hotel safe.

Leave enough cash for ST in my room in a unlikely location (we discussed this on the Medellin thread once, about stashing cash where hotel staff, prostitutes or thieves are unlikely to look). Keep an extra amount of cash in my leather belt with its hidden zipper in the inner lining.

Go ahead and laugh, but I stashed $50 bills under the insoles of my shoes when I went to Medellin last fall. I went back home with money in my shoes. Anyone else have other ideas or suggestions for traveling with cash?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1956450] Big see at Soi 2.[/QUOTE]If you talk about BigC North Pattaya, it does not exist anymore. All that area (from BigC to to the Dolphin roundabout) is down. It seems like they are building a huge Terminal 21 over there. It's a pity as it was the best area of north Pattaya in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1956482]I always use cash only in Thailand. One evening I did not have enough Thai baht and my location was far from any exchange place so I took 5000 baht from an ATM. The Thai bank took 200 baht and my bank charged me 350 plus the exchange rate was lower. Overall they took more than 10% of my money.[/QUOTE]That sucks. This is the reason to make a large ATM withdrawal if you are being charged a fee.

Does anyone know the current ATM withdrawal limit per transaction? I believe it used to based on the number of notes a machine could dispense per transaction; somewhere between 25 and 30, so 25 k-30 k baht. You also need to make sure your financial institution approves a transaction of that amount.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1956952]That sucks. This is the reason to make a large ATM withdrawal if you are being charged a fee.

Does anyone know the current ATM withdrawal limit per transaction? I believe it used to based on the number of notes a machine could dispense per transaction; somewhere between 25 and 30, so 25 k-30 k baht. You also need to make sure your financial institution approves a transaction of that amount.

SL.[/QUOTE]Most banks the max is 20 k bht, but TMB will give you 30. ATM's here charge 200 bht per transaction. My Schwab Bank refunds the fee and the exchange rate is good.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1956827]That is a timely post, because I am thinking this situation out, prior to leaving for BKK in four weeks. Here is my currency management breakdown:

Take quite a bit of my budgeted cash in pristine $50 and $100 bills, and stash those with AMEX and VISA credit cards in an undergarment money belt for transit purposes. Keeping my debit card and a little bit of traveling cash in my wallet. Taking a large denomination travelers check in the event of an emergency, when cash is gone and ATMs are not a viable option (I had occasional issues in both Berlin and Medellin this past year with my Yanqui credit union debit card. I found ATMs that would accept it, but there was some inconvenience, running around and lost time involved). Yeah I know about the 153 baht vig, but its to be used in emergency situations, or otherwise cashed back home. Make debit card withdrawals judiciously and in large amounts. Keep only what I need to use in a day in my wallet, and keep the rest in hotel safe.

Leave enough cash for ST in my room in a unlikely location (we discussed this on the Medellin thread once, about stashing cash where hotel staff, prostitutes or thieves are unlikely to look). Keep an extra amount of cash in my leather belt with its hidden zipper in the inner lining.

Go ahead and laugh, but I stashed $50 bills under the insoles of my shoes when I went to Medellin last fall. I went back home with money in my shoes. Anyone else have other ideas or suggestions for traveling with cash?[/QUOTE]Forget about bringing 50's. Bring the new series 100's in pristine condition. That way you can carry more of them. It is difficult here in Thailand to exchange the older series 100's.

Carry a credit card on you at all times and stash your ATM card separate from your cash in your room. Like cash in safe and ATM locked in suitcase. If you loose your credit card, easy to cancel. Lose your ATM and you are screwed if you need extra cash. Only carry it when you are going to get cash and be sure to put a travel notification on them.

Also over here you don't have money or a credit card on your person, if you get hurt and go to the hospital you better have a buddy with money or a credit card with you. The good hospitals won't touch you without proof of ability to pay.

I got a concussion and went to the hospital. They wanted 25000 deposit before they would see me. I didn't have 25000 bht on me but I had my ATM card. They put me in a wheel chair and wheeled me to the ATM Machine in the lobby. LOL.

Ever tried to remember a PIN number with a Concussion?

So far Devil's Den x 2, the second better than the first but I think I'm going to change my name to Cum Baby as all four girls there kept calling me it.

Honey 1 soapy massage x 1, this was OK but the soapy bit could have been longer, done in an hour.

Finally went into an gogo on LK Metro, as fate would have it I was seated next to a fun girl so finally ended up going back to my hotel with a girl. It was a nice time with her but it's a lot of paraphernalia to go through just for one shag.

Tonight I went down to Walking Street, a bit livelier than LK Metro, went into Windmill Club as I've read a lot about the place, what a total disappointment it was so lame. Had a look upstairs exactly the same so it was one beer and back to the Hotel.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1956952]This is the reason to make a large ATM withdrawal if you are being charged a fee.

SL.[/QUOTE]A big withdrawal will save a few 200 baht that the Thai bank takes, but still my bank takes a percentage (not a fixed fee) of my withdrawal. I think that it's something like 6 or 7 percent of the withdrawal. That's the main reason I prefer to keep the ATM card only for emergency.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1956827]That is a timely post, because I am thinking this situation out, prior to leaving for BKK in four weeks. Here is my currency management breakdown:

Take quite a bit of my budgeted cash in pristine $50 and $100 bills, and stash those with AMEX and VISA credit cards in an undergarment money belt for transit purposes. Keeping my debit card and a little bit of traveling cash in my wallet. Taking a large denomination travelers check in the event of an emergency, when cash is gone and ATMs are not a viable option (I had occasional issues in both Berlin and Medellin this past year with my Yanqui credit union debit card. I found ATMs that would accept it, but there was some inconvenience, running around and lost time involved). Yeah I know about the 153 baht vig, but its to be used in emergency situations, or otherwise cashed back home. Make debit card withdrawals judiciously and in large amounts. Keep only what I need to use in a day in my wallet, and keep the rest in hotel safe.

Leave enough cash for ST in my room in a unlikely location (we discussed this on the Medellin thread once, about stashing cash where hotel staff, prostitutes or thieves are unlikely to look). Keep an extra amount of cash in my leather belt with its hidden zipper in the inner lining.

Go ahead and laugh, but I stashed $50 bills under the insoles of my shoes when I went to Medellin last fall. I went back home with money in my shoes. Anyone else have other ideas or suggestions for traveling with cash?[/QUOTE]The advice from Tellall are good. I forgot to say that I also try to take as much 100 euros bills as I can, because the exchange rate is better and also it takes less space to carry. I would also recommend you to try to open a Thai bank account if Thailand is a place that you will visit again after that trip. It might be more difficult to open an account for a foreigner nowadays but it's worth it. I opened one around 3 years ago in the Kasikorn bank in soi buakao (Pattaya) and they didn't ask anything particular, and they knew that I'm not a resident in Thailand. The fee is 800 baht per year for the visa card and 15 baht per withdrawal but it's really worth it compared to the use of a foreign debit card.

[QUOTE=Ableyone;1957049]Tonight I went down to Walking Street, a bit livelier than LK Metro, went into Windmill Club as I've read a lot about the place, what a total disappointment it was so lame. Had a look upstairs exactly the same so it was one beer and back to the Hotel.[/QUOTE]Was in Windmill last week and could only see one girl that looked OK, but not worth the 2000 + barfine + drinks though. Still the atmosphere in that place was a lot better than any others gogo in Pattaya, no annoying girls came to seat with me, nobody pushed me for more drinks and I think it's the only place we can still see girls being eaten out or fingered by customers on the stage.

On The 6. Chick wants to come with me. She said bar fine 500 and 2000 for her. I told her that was too much. I will only give 1000. She tried for 1500. I said can not. Only 1000. She said okay. 500 for bar and 1000 for me but do not tell anybody. Now I only have 12 minutes to wait til the bar fine drops to 300. Now working on getting one for my brother at the same price. LOL. The adventures of Khun Keeneeowl.

Update: Waited unil past 1am but the bar fine did not drop. My brother had to pay 500 bar fine at the bar next door as well.

And for those from the States 'State Farm' (yes the insurance company) has State Farm Bank. No fees either, of any kind.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1956704]This has been reported many times in the ISG by myself and other savvy travelers. The Charles Schwab NO FEE Debit ATM cards. Just conduct an advance search or click on the link below.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/search.php?searchid=2404084[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ableyone;1957049]So far Devil's Den x 2, the second better than the first but I think I'm going to change my name to Cum Baby as all four girls there kept calling me it.[/QUOTE]Yes; the DD ladies can be like that. The reason IMO is they are a multi-pop shop. If you can [I]happy happy[/I] more than once during the session, getting the first one out quickly gives you more time to recuperate. If you really want to build up for 1 good [I]shot on goal[/I] tell them that and make it last.

The DD ladies do seem to have a mental check list of activities and tend to run thru them quickly; but at the end of the day you are in charge of the action, and the ladies are not mind readers.

SL.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1956482]I always use cash only in Thailand. One evening I did not have enough Thai baht and my location was far from any exchange place so I took 5000 baht from an ATM. The Thai bank took 200 baht and my bank charged me 350 plus the exchange rate was lower. Overall they took more than 10% of my money. I can eat a good meal for less than 100 baht in the food court in Terminal 21, I could get a very good meal in a Japanese restaurant in Gateway, or it could be 1/3 the price of a very good time with a very cute girl in Ruby bar Soi 6 for example. The counterpart is that I have to be very careful with my money as I am with my passport or my credit card.[/QUOTE]Its been awhile since I posted here.

I made the foolish mistake of using my CC at a gogo (sugar baby) bar last trip and found that they charged my card 2500 Baht extra after I left. I could have disputed the charge but decided to let it go. I have a credit card I use when traveling overseas with a relatively low credit limit to limit fraudulent charges. I also have a Citibank Debit card I only use for travel. I normally will take a certain amount of cash then use my Citibank card to withdraw funds if / when I run out.

My normal credit cards are only used to pay hotels.

[QUOTE=Ableyone;1957049]Finally went into an gogo on LK Metro, as fate would have it I was seated next to a fun girl so finally ended up going back to my hotel with a girl. It was a nice time with her but it's a lot of paraphernalia to go through just for one shag.

Tonight I went down to Walking Street, a bit livelier than LK Metro, went into Windmill Club as I've read a lot about the place, what a total disappointment it was so lame. Had a look upstairs exactly the same so it was one beer and back to the Hotel.[/QUOTE]Sorry to the rest of you for repeating this but I must guide my fellow FKK friend here. If you want something that resembles a FKK where you grab a girl and fuck her then go to Kinnaree on a Wed-Sat. Go at 2:30 pm. Girls leave at 7 pm.

I have mentioned a few times here recently which gogo bars to go to currently. Lineups fluctuate greatly. Windmill IS NOT one of them. Sure it's dirty there (likely toned down now during mourning period) but no lookers. For pretty girls go to Sensations, Baccara. For more fun go to Ninja at LK and Sapphire.

As for DD, I'm pretty sure you're not going to find the GFE feel a Thai girl can give you at a meat market like that.

Last night was my first night back in town and I was keen to see what impact, if any the King's passing had made.

I started with a walk down Soi 7 and the place was wall to wall with girls. Most of the music was noticeably turned down (which isn't a bad thing) but other than that it was very much same same.

Next I took a wander down Beach Road and likewise the place was as expected full with freelancers of all ages, shapes and sizes waiting for some lovin.

I grabbed some food at a nice place I know down near walking street and then hit a few of the gogos including Sugarbabes, Alcatraz, Peppermint and Windmill. Other than the suggestion from staff that they now close around 2 am it was business as usual. Plenty of nudity in Sugarbabes and Windmill, and the talent was surprisingly good in Sugarbabes. It looks like they have put an effort into finding some new fresh talent.

One noticeable difference on Walking Street is the fact that a lot of the establishments including the open live music bars have the front part of the building covered with what I can only describe as drapes which I assume is an effort to keep the noise within.

At around midnight I checked out the Red Car Bar on Walking Street and the place was buzzing. Good music and a decent selection of freelancers. Hooked up with what I felt was a decent prospect relatively quickly and had a couple of beers before bringing her back to mine for a good night.

All in all there is relatively no impact from the King's passing. It remains business as usual.

JoS.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1956710]This is probably true BB as far as the Charles Schwab card is concerned. But I know there is a certain European no fee ATM card as well. Unfortunately I can't recall the bank. Perhaps another board member can supply this information.[/QUOTE]The DKB refunds withdrawls from their debit card, number of free withdrawls is limited to 10 or 20. Anybody in Pats after Nov 5th? Want to meet PM me. Staying at August Suites.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1956827]
Go ahead and laugh, but I stashed $50 bills under the insoles of my shoes when I went to Medellin last fall. I went back home with money in my shoes. Anyone else have other ideas or suggestions for traveling with cash?[/QUOTE]I have to debit card accounts that are linked with the money split between the two, if I lose one card I can easily transfer funds to the other debit card. I keep one debit card as an emergency card, I'll tape it to the inside of my carryon with black tape. Also look inside your carry-on suitcase, some of the supports are hollowed out aluminum brackets. Wrap up 10 100's in some plastic, roll them tight and tape a bit of string to the end and push it into the hollow support. Tape the end of the string so you can retrieve it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1957104]On The 6. Chick wants to come with me. She said bar fine 500 and 2000 for her. I told her that was too much. I will only give 1000. She tried for 1500. I said can not. Only 1000. She said okay. 500 for bar and 1000 for me but do not tell anybody. Now I only have 12 minutes to wait til the bar fine drops to 300. Now working on getting one for my brother at the same price. LOL. The adventures of Khun Keeneeowl.

Update: Waited unil past 1am but the bar fine did not drop. My brother had to pay 500 bar fine at the bar next door as well.[/QUOTE]1000 baht for long time?

[QUOTE=Breadman;1957585]I have to debit card accounts that are linked with the money split between the two, if I lose one card I can easily transfer funds to the other debit card. I keep one debit card as an emergency card, I'll tape it to the inside of my carryon with black tape. Also look inside your carry-on suitcase, some of the supports are hollowed out aluminum brackets. Wrap up 10 100's in some plastic, roll them tight and tape a bit of string to the end and push it into the hollow support. Tape the end of the string so you can retrieve it.[/QUOTE]That is an excellent idea about the suitcase. I prepare for the worst and use a back up systems. I carry two different debit cards from two different banks. Plus, if I am going for 3 weeks. I bring $3000 in cash. I at least need $1000 a week if something goes wrong with my cards. My buddy had his card eaten by a Thai ATM and had to have money wired to him from the USA. He did not have cash for 24 hours because he only took what he needed for the day as he went and did not have back up. Also, sometimes there is a fluke with the card and it just does not work. Not saying it will happen but I am prepared if it does not. I only carry one card with me, the other in the room and always carry all cash with me. I stay in cheap Thai hotels close to the action. They sometimes have safes in the room. But I have zero confidence in those safes.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1957585]I have to debit card accounts that are linked with the money split between the two, if I lose one card I can easily transfer funds to the other debit card. I keep one debit card as an emergency card, I'll tape it to the inside of my carryon with black tape. Also look inside your carry-on suitcase, some of the supports are hollowed out aluminum brackets. Wrap up 10 100's in some plastic, roll them tight and tape a bit of string to the end and push it into the hollow support.[/QUOTE]Breadman: Better hope nobody steals your carry-on. Why not keep your money in the room safe? I use the Schwab debit card to keep costs down. I always keep enough cash for one day of spending plus the next day. If somebody breaks into my hotel safe I will at most lose one day of vacation funds. That would not ruin my trip. For those without a Schwab-like credit card why not bring some Traveler check's. Thailand is one of few countries where traveler checks are widely (and easily) accepted.

[QUOTE=JackOfSpades;1957449]

I started with a walk down Soi 7 and the place was wall to wall with girls. [/QUOTE]I walked around quite a bit last night and it was almost like the flood of girls just came in this past week. There are seemingly new girls at every bar and massage place. Problem with high season is girls are looking for tourist prices. Was quoted 2000 for an hour by a very cute girl at Home Massage on 13/2. Quoted 1500 by a cute one on lowly Soi 25! WTF!

Hit my favorite gogo bar at LK Metro. I was there only a week ago and the number of girls have doubled. Not since June have I seen this many girls there.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1957708]Problem with high season is girls are looking for tourist prices. Was quoted 2000 for an hour by a very cute girl at Home Massage on 13/2. Quoted 1500 by a cute one on lowly Soi 25! WTF![/QUOTE]No problem at all. It does not matter what they are looking for or what you are quoted. It only matters what you negotiate.

I don't bother negotiating if the starting price is ridiculous. Too many other girls around. All worked out I met a fantastic brand new gogo girl only an hour later.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1957726]I don't bother negotiating if the starting price is ridiculous. Too many other girls around. All worked out I met a fantastic brand new gogo girl only an hour later.[/QUOTE]You may want to try never allowing them to propose the price and terms first. IMO, when they start at a higher price some (not all) may feel that they lose face if they take, for example, half what they originally proposed or started with.

Now, I am not someone who is into Go- Go places. So YMMV.

I am talking about freelancers. In Latin America, for expample, I never discuss price ahead of time. If they bring up the subject, I quickly say thanks and move on. But, I do this online after engaging with them for 1-2 months in small conversation every week or two.

At Insomnia, I usually talk for a minute, to qualify up close, then offer to buy a drink, and if I am still interested, start out by saying 1,500 LT (cause I do not do ST, except for massage girls who visit me at my condo). They will then dismiss me, walk away, or say yes, or propose 2,000 or 2,500 . And if I want to I may go to 2,000 LT.

But, please note that I only enter Insomnia after 12, and usually do not propose anything to any girl until at least 3 am. So, again YMMV, and you may not be interested in just hanging around for such a long time, as I do.

But, IMO, the key is to always control the negotiation. Do not ask or allow them to start first. You start with the terms, be (or appear to be) firm. I never go over 2,000 LT. Because they will then talk amongst themselves. And, I will have set a precedent for the next few days.

Also, important to note that I usually look, observe and carefully evaluate 'a priori ' for 3 day min GFE potential. If I don't see that, then I have zero interest. And, as I have noted before, if they are better than my expectation, then I will slip them more than what I agreed to, take them shopping etc. But, I also look to see if they count in my presence. If they do, then I do not repeat. If they don't, then I probably will. We all have our approaches. This is what works best for me. I avoid aggressive girls and generally avoid anyone who tries to approach me directly vs. slowly and indirectly. One way IMO to tell a true freelancer.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1957708]I walked around quite a bit last night and it was almost like the flood of girls just came in this past week. There are seemingly new girls at every bar and massage place. Problem with high season is girls are looking for tourist prices. Was quoted 2000 for an hour by a very cute girl at Home Massage on 13/2. Quoted 1500 by a cute one on lowly Soi 25! WTF!

Hit my favorite gogo bar at LK Metro. I was there only a week ago and the number of girls have doubled. Not since June have I seen this many girls there.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Give it some time high season did not start until Jan last year. Two or three weeks they will be bidding themselves down.

Plus, I imagine high season will be a bit slower this year. They'll be more willing to talk for a bit.

I've never negotiated with a girl. If she quotes too high of a price, I say no thanks and move on. If she quotes in the price range that this board agrees is right, I've usually said yes. Negotiating is a huge turn-off for me. I doubt I could even get hard after a bidding war with a girl. You should see their faces when I politely say no then walk away.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1957746]You may want to try never allowing them to propose the price and terms first. IMO, when they start at a higher price some (not all) may feel that they lose face if they take, for example, half what they originally proposed or started with.[/QUOTE]The only girls I ask for a price upfront are the massage girls. I don't want to waste both our times only to find out after 15 minutes we can't agree on a price for HJ, BJ, or FS.

Gogo girls we just go party, then sex and I pay for them to leave. Never had an issue but I am not a Cheap Charlie. I take care of my few regular girls. Not like the Japanese but I still take care of them.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1957751]Give it some time high season did not start until Jan last year. Two or three weeks they will be bidding themselves down.[/QUOTE]Not sure if you were out last night like I was. Girls are everywhere. Huge difference from even last week.

From a personal level, many of my girls are coming back now too. I have to decide which one of 3 who came back this week to see tonight. 2 of them will be hurt.

Visited Kinnaree this afternoon. A bit sleepy for a Thursday afternoon. About 10 fewer girls than on Saturday. Good thing was no room wait time so I was able to get 3 girls in instead of my usual 2.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1957851]The only girls I ask for a price upfront are the massage girls. I don't want to waste both our times only to find out after 15 minutes we can't agree on a price for HJ, BJ, or FS.

Gogo girls we just go party, then sex and I pay for them to leave. Never had an issue but I am not a Cheap Charlie. I take care of my few regular girls. Not like the Japanese but I still take care of them.

Not sure if you were out last night like I was. Girls are everywhere. Huge difference from even last week.

From a personal level, many of my girls are coming back now too. I have to decide which one of 3 who came back this week to see tonight. 2 of them will be hurt.[/QUOTE]I was talking about the influx of customers not girls. Had to go back to the great white north for a few months.

Previously, I bought pseudo generic Viagra (made in India) in Cambodia.

A board member here mentioned that you can get legal generic Viagra in Thailand. Pfizer's patent expired in Thailand. Hence you have legal generic Viagra (Sidegra) in Thailand. This is the way to go. The pseudo generic Viagra, made in India, seems not as potent as the real Viagra. I heard sometimes they are duds. I do not trust the quality control of the pirate factories in India.

Another site mentioned that you can get Sidegra at MSRP prices (100 Baht for pack of four 50 MG pills; 180 Baht for a pack of four 100 MG pills) at a pharmacy couple of stores up from McDonald's on Suk near Nana Plaza. Last year, info and pills were good.

Pharmacies in the tourist area in Pattaya are asking about twice those prices.

I need to stock up before I travel around.

Does anyone know of a pharmacy in Pattaya that will charge Bangkok prices for Sidegra?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1958144]Previously, I bought pseudo generic Viagra (made in India) in Cambodia..[/QUOTE]Just FWIW, there's nothing pseudo about the generic sildenafil sold in reputable pharmacies in Cambodia. Kamagra, for example, is made by Ajanta, a big, reliable pharma company. Sidegra is fine but in my experience no better, and it's considerably more expensive. So I always stock up when I'm in Phnom Penh.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1958090]I was talking about the influx of customers not girls. Had to go back to the great white north for a few months.[/QUOTE]Clubs seem pretty full of guys imo the last couple of days. No seats in some clubs I visited which had been fairly empty the past couple of months.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1958191]Clubs seem pretty full of guys imo the last couple of days. No seats in some clubs I visited which had been fairly empty the past couple of months.[/QUOTE]Hit a few gogo bars on Walking Street last night including Happy and Baccara and they were all pretty much jammed with guys and girls.

Walking Street itself was pretty full with the usual mix for mongers, girls and gawking tourists.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1957708]I walked around quite a bit last night and it was almost like the flood of girls just came in this past week. There are seemingly new girls at every bar and massage place. Problem with high season is girls are looking for tourist prices. Was quoted 2000 for an hour by a very cute girl at Home Massage on 13/2. Quoted 1500 by a cute one on lowly Soi 25! WTF!

Hit my favorite gogo bar at LK Metro. I was there only a week ago and the number of girls have doubled. Not since June have I seen this many girls there.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Excellent news, as I will be there Monday!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1957708]I walked around quite a bit last night and it was almost like the flood of girls just came in this past week. There are seemingly new girls at every bar and massage place. Problem with high season is girls are looking for tourist prices. Was quoted 2000 for an hour by a very cute girl at Home Massage on 13/2. Quoted 1500 by a cute one on lowly Soi 25! WTF!

Hit my favorite gogo bar at LK Metro. I was there only a week ago and the number of girls have doubled. Not since June have I seen this many girls there.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Banana Boi,

When you say "The problem with high season girls are looking for tourist prices? That is wrong. Then people would think in the low season the price goes down. Right. That is wrong. What you and many people think makes sense if you use logic. Thailand mind is a different world. Thailand's cheapest prices are in the high season. Because a girl starts to make money and they like any salesman likes the feeling of constant business and constant money coming in. The most expensive prices are in the low season. In the low season the woman try to raise their rates for lost business. In the high season if the girl smells you don't know the price or if you make the mistake of letting the girl name the price. She will ask for more then she won't want to lose face going down too much. But if you walk up with confidence and just say you do short time. Yes, 1000 baut lets go! That is it. If she has an issue that is the starting rate. With freelancers that is fine. With outdoor bar girls but you also have to pay bar fine. Now if you are trying to take out a indoor bar girl it will be a little more expensive. If you go to a gogo then that is more expensive and service is questionable because during high season they want to finish with you as fast as possible and get back to the club for next short time. A go go girls during slow season is a little better and not as rushed.

I will be in Thailand next month! Can't wait.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1958144]Previously, I bought pseudo generic Viagra (made in India) in Cambodia.

A board member here mentioned that you can get legal generic Viagra in Thailand. Pfizer's patent expired in Thailand. Hence you have legal generic Viagra (Sidegra) in Thailand. This is the way to go. The pseudo generic Viagra, made in India, seems not as potent as the real Viagra. I heard sometimes they are duds. I do not trust the quality control of the pirate factories in India.

Another site mentioned that you can get Sidegra at MSRP prices (100 Baht for pack of four 50 MG pills; 180 Baht for a pack of four 100 MG pills) at a pharmacy couple of stores up from McDonald's on Suk near Nana Plaza. Last year, info and pills were good.

Pharmacies in the tourist area in Pattaya are asking about twice those prices.

I need to stock up before I travel around.

Does anyone know of a pharmacy in Pattaya that will charge Bangkok prices for Sidegra?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Only a fool buys drugs while on vacation and hopes they work as planned. I know two of them, one guy passed out the one night after taking a pill and the other guy had to be taken to the hospital the following night after taking another one of those suckers. You wait so long for a trip, pay so much on hotels and airfare yet your going to let your vacation hinge on the quality of drugs your going to buy from a pharmacy in another country. I understand that some guys are forced to buy it on the fly since they have a significant other at home who would question why he was packing 20 blue pills in his carryon for a business trip. I would highly suggest you try other avenue's to aquire said drugs while at home to get an idea which one's are worth rebuying and which ones to avoid after a trip to the ER. An ER at home is much better than an ER in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1958397]Only a fool buys drugs while on vacation and hopes they work as planned. I know two of them, one guy passed out the one night after taking a pill and the other guy had to be taken to the hospital the following night after taking another one of those suckers. You wait so long for a trip, pay so much on hotels and airfare yet your going to let your vacation hinge on the quality of drugs your going to buy from a pharmacy in another country. I understand that some guys are forced to buy it on the fly since they have a significant other at home who would question why he was packing 20 blue pills in his carryon for a business trip. I would highly suggest you try other avenue's to aquire said drugs while at home to get an idea which one's are worth rebuying and which ones to avoid after a trip to the ER. An ER at home is much better than an ER in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]While I agree with your overall message of safety considerations, I disagree with your overall condemnation of pharmaceuticals in foreign countries.

I've taken steroids, acne meds, and Cialis while overseas and have never had any problems. This next trip, I'll try those Kamagra jelly packs because they are cheaper than other things.

The key is to be fully educated on what to buy, how much it costs, where to buy it, and how to spot bad product. Just like with the ladies!

[QUOTE=Breadman;1958397]Only a fool buys drugs while on vacation and hopes they work as planned.[/QUOTE]I disagree. The fool here is the one that did not understand what was written and/or did not understand what Sidegra/Viagra is.

I was asking about LEGAL, legit generic Sildenafil (Sidegra), which is EXACTLY the same as Viagra. I have a prescription for Viagra in the US.

I trust (should I?) the Thailand "system" for Sildenfil. I am assuming the Thai "system" will not allow the drug companies to supply the Thai males with dangerous fakes. Thailand is not China.

- There was nudity on Overmind go-go (the old Shark go-go). They even added a bath tub (naked show in a tub).

- Super Silver 2 go-go on Soi 7 had nudity. Same as before. I like this club. Raunchy and fun! I especially like this club because after the dancers (not all dancers are nude) dance naked on stage, they stay naked after they leave the stage. A lot of fondling (if you want) with the customers. In other bars (previously), it seems the dancers put on their bikinis after their shift on stage.

- Several other go-gos around Walking Street, which previously had nudity, were fully clothed (my definition. The girls were in bikinis).

[QUOTE=Breadman;1958397]Only a fool buys drugs while on vacation and hopes they work as planned. I know two of them, one guy passed out the one night after taking a pill and the other guy had to be taken to the hospital the following night after taking another one of those suckers. You wait so long for a trip, pay so much on hotels and airfare yet your going to let your vacation hinge on the quality of drugs your going to buy from a pharmacy in another country. I understand that some guys are forced to buy it on the fly since they have a significant other at home who would question why he was packing 20 blue pills in his carryon for a business trip. I would highly suggest you try other avenue's to aquire said drugs while at home to get an idea which one's are worth rebuying and which ones to avoid after a trip to the ER. An ER at home is much better than an ER in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Absolutely clueless. Take a tour of BKK-Pattaya Hospital ER and tell us your hometown hospitals measure up. As for pecker pills I'm still walking around after having taken 100's just like many 1,000's of other expats in the area. What are you a drug salesman?

Many reputable Indian pharmaceutical firms, including some giants, produce quality generics. If Kamagra doesn't lift you up, find another hobby.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1958429]Absolutely clueless. Take a tour of BKK-Pattaya Hospital ER and tell us your hometown hospitals measure up. As for pecker pills I'm still walking around after having taken 100's just like many 1,000's of other expats in the area. What are you a drug salesman?[/QUOTE]I disagree from experience. This is how I felt when I first came to Thailand particularly to Pattaya. When it comes to this particular Hospital and do not get me wrong I would use it for a emergency and have but do not think for a minute because it looks like a 5 star hotel and they attend to you with all the staff available that you are getting the proper diagnosis? Do not get me wrong they are better than many countries but after what I have experience I have a greater appreciation for our medical system and would feel comfortable in any ER in the States.
This discussion with hospital shouldn't be linked to pecker pill.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1958452]When it comes to this particular Hospital and do not get me wrong I would use it for a emergency and have but do not think for a minute because it looks like a 5 star hotel and they attend to you with all the staff available that you are getting the proper diagnosis? Do not get me wrong they are better than many countries but after what I have experience I have a greater appreciation for our medical system and would feel comfortable in any ER in the States.
This discussion with hospital shouldn't be linked to pecker pill.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I trust the drugs here. But drugs are one thing; proper medical care is another. When I hurt my foot in Koh Tao last year I was taken to the clinic. As the doctor was getting ready to sew it up she said I wonder if it is broken. I don't know a got damn thing about medicine, but said well shouldn't you xray it before stitching it up? She said yes you are right. When I got back to Pattaya and unwrapped it, it was fucked up under the bottom and I went right to the new hospital. They gave me IV antibiotics and wanted me to stay, but I remember my friends telling me the exorbitant costs for staying. Since I live 2 minutes from the place I told them I would just come back the next day. They were pissed. The next two days they gave me the same IV antibiotics and said okay bye; not telling me anything else.

So I went to my regular doctor in Pattaya and for the next 6 days he gave me an antibiotic injection in my ass saying that my foot would heal in 2 weeks. 6 days went by and no improvement. My family insisted that I come back to the states for treatment. Good thing I fucking did, or I would have been less 1 foot today. It was a crush would where blood vessels had burst inside and the fluid sitting inside had started to kill the tissue. They had to cut out that part of my foot and regrow it using modern medicine.

A few years ago my cousin had a motorcycle accident on Pattaya Tai. That cheap ass helmet flew off his head. The ambulance came and got him. He was pretty fucked up. Well he is back home now and the other day he was telling me they are saying there is something wrong with his brain from that accident and they need to go in and do surgery.

For little shit like a cold or to turn a man into a woman then Thailand is okay. But for big shit you better take your ass back home. There is a reason many expats make a yearly pilgrimage back home to see the doctor.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1958486]For little shit like a cold or to turn a man into a woman then Thailand is okay. But for big shit you better take your ass back home. There is a reason many expats make a yearly pilgrimage back home to see the doctor.[/QUOTE]Sound advice.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1958423]- Several other go-gos around Walking Street, which previously had nudity, were fully clothed (my definition. The girls were in bikinis).[/QUOTE]Which ones did not have topless? Of the ones I have been to that usually have topless I can only think Ninja and Baccara are still bikinis. I may not have been paying enough attention though. I am usually with one of my regular girls at each bar.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1958506]Which ones did not have topless? Of the ones I have been to that usually have topless I can only think Ninja and Baccara are still bikinis.[/QUOTE]Topless only? In my definition, that isn't nudity. LOL!

First time back in about a year. Some of the names of the bars changed. Previously, if I recall correctly, in the bars that had "nudity", the girls had the option of going with bikinis, topless, or all nude. This determined their monthly salary. Are some bars just topless now?

Baby Dolls (on Soi 15) was previously one of if not the raunchiest go-go bar in Pattaya. I liked it when they carved a banana like a penis. After the customer was done with the penis shaped banana, he could eat either the banana or the pussy. I went in around 9 PM. It was empty and all the girls wore bikinis. I immediately left.

Went into Baccara. It was packed. Couldn't find a decent seat, so I left. The girls wore bikinis. Previously, I recall it wasn't fully nude, but didn't they wear that skirt without underwear. I find that alluring.

Went in another bar, glanced at couple of other bars. I thought the girls wore bikinis. Not positive, I wasn't paying 100% attention.

I'll do a better job of reporting when I drink away my brain cells in the next couple of days. I don't want to lose board member privileges. LOL!

Hello friends,

I am coming to Pattaya for the first time by 26th November for 3-4 days. Planning to go to devil's den. If anybody in Pattaya at that time, I will be happy to meet up and explore.

Yes, please report back about the gogo situation. They are the biggest reason I go to Pattaya. If they all start going bikini, I'll be severely depressed.

Topless is okay by me. (though I prefer raunchier).

But full bikini just makes the whole thing seem juvenile.

Seeing and fondling hundreds of bare breasts makes my trips amazing!

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1958519]Topless only? In my definition, that isn't nudity. LOL!

First time back in about a year. Some of the names of the bars changed. Previously, if I recall correctly, in the bars that had "nudity", the girls had the option of going with bikinis, topless, or all nude. This determined their monthly salary. Are some bars just topless now?

Baby Dolls (on Soi 15) was previously one of if not the raunchiest go-go bar in Pattaya. I liked it when they carved a banana like a penis. After the customer was done with the penis shaped banana, he could eat either the banana or the pussy. I went in around 9 PM. It was empty and all the girls wore bikinis. I immediately left.

Went into Baccara. It was packed. Couldn't find a decent seat, so I left. The girls wore bikinis. Previously, I recall it wasn't fully nude, but didn't they wear that skirt without underwear. I find that alluring.

Went in another bar, glanced at couple of other bars. I thought the girls wore bikinis. Not positive, I wasn't paying 100% attention.

I'll do a better job of reporting when I drink away my brain cells in the next couple of days. I don't want to lose board member privileges. LOL![/QUOTE]A lot of these places will have girls in bikinis on stage for the most part, and then every so often they will do a more choreographed show where the girls get the tits out and also sometimes knickers off. Wish I could tell you where and when but it is kinda the luck of the draw.

If you want guaranteed nudity just hit up sugarbabes or windmill where you can have girls fisting each other if that is your thing 😊.

[QUOTE=JackOfSpades;1958552]If you want guaranteed nudity just hit up sugarbabes or windmill where you can have girls fisting each other if that is your thing 😊.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is my thing. :)

- Sugar Baby Go-Go: My first bar of the night. When I entered the bar, the front stage had girls with bikini type of outfits. The girls and the support pillar were blocking the view of back which had a few small stages with naked girls. If anyone wants to buy this bar, I saw a sign at Windmill Go-Go offering Sugar Baby for sale at 15 Mil Baht (has 4 year lease).

- G-Spot: This bar has the best happy hour special with 45 Baht draft beers. Same as Sugar Baby. The front has bikini; the back has naked girls!

- Glass House: I entered and ordered a beer. The girls were in bikinis. Then near the end of their dance shift, the Thai guy said something on the speakers, and all the girls took off their tops. They left the bottom on. The second group never took off anything.

- Infinity: I entered and noticed all the girls were in bikinis. I left immediately.

- Crazy House: Some girls were naked; some girls wore bikinis. They rotated on the small stages; hence you had girls who were naked in front of the bar.

- Windmill: Many naked girls. The girls who had the bikini type of clothing had no underwear with their skirts. They added a new upstair level. Did they remodel and make the lower level smaller?

- Iron: Mostly bikinis. There was a jacuzzi tube, but the girls were only topless. Previously, I thought there was more nudity. Didn't like this bar; the girls were way too aggressive asking for drinks.

There are around 60 go-go bars on W. S. And I believe I've hit around 90% of them.

Next trip, I'm going to hit any ones I might have missed then hit all the ones on LK Metro.

I'll be there for 12 days. Imagine if I hit every single one again and wrote a report on each one? That would be an epic post, LOL!

Gogo's make me really happy. I feel like a kid in a candy store. I'll be there Jan. 17th if anybody is interested in gogo bar hopping with me.

Hi all, I wonder of anyone could please give me an update on the Telephone Bar. Or Carre Blanc. I know that the telephone Bar changed location but have not seen many reports on the new place. Quality of girls, etc.

Thanks.

Viking.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;1958839]Hi all, I wonder of anyone could please give me an update on the Telephone Bar. Or Carre Blanc. I know that the telephone Bar changed location but have not seen many reports on the new place. Quality of girls, etc. Thanks. Viking.[/QUOTE]Carre Blanc changed locations, not Telephone Bar. It's next door to Club 4 now. The Ladies are the same. The original Telephone bar had new talent when I was there this past August. (Search for my post.) Perhaps you're thinking of Telephone Bar 2 aka LE Poste on Soi Lengkee?

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1958856]Carre Blanc changed locations, not Telephone Bar. It's next door to Club 4 now. The Ladies are the same. The original Telephone bar had new talent when I was there this past August. (Search for my post.) Perhaps you're thinking of Telephone Bar 2 aka LE Poste on Soi Lengkee?[/QUOTE]Thanks. I appreciate the update. But I am pretty sure that the original Telephone Bar moved. I have been to LE Carre Blanc but was not all that impressed with the operators. I like to telephone, though. And made two long distance calls the last time I went to the telephone kiosk about two years ago, he he.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;1958883]Thanks. I appreciate the update. But I am pretty sure that the original Telephone Bar moved.[/QUOTE]I am not sure where the original may have been, but every since I have known about it, it has been on Soi Batman. I have lived on the same soi for 7 years.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;1958883]But I am pretty sure that the original Telephone Bar moved. I like to telephone, though. And made two long distance calls the last time I went to the telephone kiosk about two years ago, he he.[/QUOTE]Two years ago is about when I first visited Pattaya, and discovered the Telephone Bar near Soi Batman, (Sukhumvit Pattaya 46/3 on Google Maps.) I befriended one of the ladies there this past August and chat with her on a regular basis. No mention from her about it moving. Check out this map: [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1iFJ_TrUhOYlNyTS4Kg5q8_lwLFw&ll=12.919524952208912%2C100.89433737671288&z=13[/URL].

I visited Post Office on Soi Lengkee recently. Either old and / or overweight. One fell into the category less than the others so went for 500 baht BJ. Great service. Served it's need.

There has been talk of BJ bars. I've always wanted to try one. What is the best one on Soi 6, in this board's opinion?

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;1958883] I am pretty sure that the original Telephone Bar moved.[/QUOTE]I also can confirm that Telephone Bar is still in soi Batman and for all I know it's always been there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1958486]Exactly. I trust the drugs here. .[/QUOTE]The whole point of my post was the difference between living in Thailand and traveling to Thailand and buying ED drugs. If your living in Thailand and have an adverse reaction to a drug its no big deal. If you just paid a grand for a flight and a hotel and something happens and you've got to visit the ER then a huge chunk of your trip is ruined. Its a risk, two of my buddies both lost 3 days of their trips each by taking stuff they bought in Thailand. A ten day trip that costs you a grand in hotels and airfare is a hundred bucks a day lost when you can't go out and play. Both of my buddies will say they ruined their trip if they posted here, whatever they bought knocked them both out of the party.

If you have the option, buy the drugs before a planned vacation and test them out first.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1959151]The whole point of my post was the difference between living in Thailand and traveling to Thailand and buying ED drugs. If your living in Thailand and have an adverse reaction to a drug its no big deal. If you just paid a grand for a flight and a hotel and something happens and you've got to visit the ER then a huge chunk of your trip is ruined.[/QUOTE]Traveler's diarrhea is more likely to ruin a trip than taking dick pills from a reputable pharmacy (Doubt if you would forego eating though.) I have many customers in the States who have been buying them from me for upwards of 10 years without a complaint.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1959039]There has been talk of BJ bars. I've always wanted to try one. What is the best one on Soi 6, in this board's opinion?[/QUOTE]Very hard to give a definitive answer on this. Bars on Soi 6 change very quickly as girls come and go, and a good bar today might not be so good tomorrow.

Soi 6 is definitely a different experience and some of the girls are madder than a box of frogs. Be aware though that mixed in are a good number of ladyboys but most are cool with a firm no thanks.

I would suggest start at one end and take a wander up and down until you see a girl you like or a bar that seems to offer what you are looking for. Beers are cheap and it is easy to hop from one bar to the next until you find your honey.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1959151]The whole point of my post was the difference between living in Thailand and traveling to Thailand and buying ED drugs. If your living in Thailand and have an adverse reaction to a drug its no big deal. If you just paid a grand for a flight and a hotel and something happens and you've got to visit the ER then a huge chunk of your trip is ruined. Its a risk, two of my buddies both lost 3 days of their trips each by taking stuff they bought in Thailand. A ten day trip that costs you a grand in hotels and airfare is a hundred bucks a day lost when you can't go out and play. Both of my buddies will say they ruined their trip if they posted here, whatever they bought knocked them both out of the party.

If you have the option, buy the drugs before a planned vacation and test them out first.[/QUOTE]Umm.

Can I ask what is a ED drugs?

Going soon to be 10 years hear and I never was hear this?

What it for?

Why you need?

Taking drugs in Thailand is not a good idea.

Can spend life in prison.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1959039]There has been talk of BJ bars. I've always wanted to try one. What is the best one on Soi 6, in this board's opinion?[/QUOTE]I just arrived this afternoon and my first visit was to one of the better reviewed BJ Bars on Soi 6, My Friend You. I will have a report out soon, so don't want to spoil anything, but I see why they have a good reputation.

[QUOTE=HotShaneHot;1959516]Umm.

Can I ask what is a ED drugs?

Going soon to be 10 years hear and I never was hear this?

What it for?

Why you need?

Taking drugs in Thailand is not a good idea.

Can spend life in prison.[/QUOTE]I think the OPs question / post related to legal performance enhancing drugs and newer and cheaper generic versions of same that are sold from a reputable seller I. E. A pharmacy.

I think confusion is being generated as some of the replies seem to be in relation to the unknown garbage being sold on the streets or bar to bar. Personally I think you have to have a screw loose to be messing with that shit.

[QUOTE=HotShaneHot;1959516]Can I ask what is a ED drugs? [/QUOTE]Viagra, Cialis, Levitra and the generics. ED= Erectile Disfunction.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1958144]Does anyone know of a pharmacy in Pattaya that will charge Bangkok prices for Sidegra?[/QUOTE]Most places only had the pack of four 100 MG pills. The small independent pharmacies were asking between 350 to 500 Baht. The normal price is 180 Baht.

It seems you have to go to a chain pharmacy.

Fascino (on Central Pattaya Road east of 2nd Road) had it for 180 Baht. [URL]http://www.fascino.co.th/[/URL].

Note: I was not asking for heart medicine! It was only legal generic Viagra, which has been time tested. But even then, a legit Indian pharmaceutical company from a reliable pharmacy should be OK for anything. This is the same delimma / question in the US when you want to order prescription drugs from a Canadian pharmacy to get it at a lower cost.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1958827]There are around 60 go-go bars on W. S. And I believe I've hit around 90% of them.

Next trip, I'm going to hit any ones I might have missed then hit all the ones on LK Metro.

I'll be there for 12 days. Imagine if I hit every single one again and wrote a report on each one?[/QUOTE]Then you would be an [URL]internationalsexguide.info[/URL] Stud.

Observations the last 2 nights.

One difference between Pattaya and Angeles is that the girls in Pattaya has a higher percentage of shaved pussies. Even comparing shaved pussies, the girls in Pattaya seemed to be all shaved, while the girls in Angeles who are shaved have a small bush on top. Of course, limited data. I prefer shaved, so this is OK for me.

- Super Baby Go-Go: Bikinis and topless. None of the girls were naked.

- Airport Go-Go: All bikinis. Even the girls in the shower tub had bikinis on. I thought last year, some of the girls were naked, especially in the tub.

- Nui 2 Go-Go: All bikinis. I thought they had nudity last year. Many decent girls. They were advertising something like, "The Runway Girls". Wondering if they are coyote. Some guys were barfining the marginal girls, but the cute girls were staying. Next door is Sensations. I didn't go in, but last year it was bikinis with many coyote girls.

- I went back to Baby Dolls. The girls on stage all had a 2 piece outfit with a skirt, but they had no underwear on, and they were exposing their breast. Even the girls in the shower tub had their outfits on, but they pushed it down exposing everything. Raunchy stuff is back. Guys fondling and eating them out. All for a few lady drinks.

- Dollhouse Go-Go (across Baby Dolls): I like this go-go. Girls were either in bikinis, topless, or all naked.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1959678]Observations the last 2 nights.

One difference between Pattaya and Angeles is that the girls in Pattaya has a higher percentage of shaved pussies. Even comparing shaved pussies, the girls in Pattaya seemed to be all shaved, while the girls in Angeles who are shaved have a small bush on top. Of course, limited data. I prefer shaved, so this is OK for me.

- Super Baby Go-Go: Bikinis and topless. None of the girls were naked.

- Airport Go-Go: All bikinis. Even the girls in the shower tub had bikinis on. I thought last year, some of the girls were naked, especially in the tub.

- Nui 2 Go-Go: All bikinis. I thought they had nudity last year. Many decent girls. They were advertising something like, "The Runway Girls". Wondering if they are coyote. Some guys were barfining the marginal girls, but the cute girls were staying. Next door is Sensations. I didn't go in, but last year it was bikinis with many coyote girls.

- I went back to Baby Dolls. The girls on stage all had a 2 piece outfit with a skirt, but they had no underwear on, and they were exposing their breast. Even the girls in the shower tub had their outfits on, but they pushed it down exposing everything. Raunchy stuff is back. Guys fondling and eating them out. All for a few lady drinks.

- Dollhouse Go-Go (across Baby Dolls): I like this go-go. Girls were either in bikinis, topless, or all naked.[/QUOTE]Well, when I read correct what your preferences are, you have mssen The Windmill, side Soi of Walkingstreet.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1959630]Viagra, Cialis, Levitra and the generics. ED= Erectile Disfunction.[/QUOTE]OK.

Never need it.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1959733]Well, when I read correct what your preferences are, you have mssen The Windmill, side Soi of Walkingstreet.[/QUOTE]Yes. You know my preferences. LOL!

I like having a cold beer, watching naked girls, watching raunchy, funny things. Sometimes it's more "fun" to watch the customers do crazy things.

I went to Windmill a few days ago.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1958798]- Windmill: Many naked girls. The girls who had the bikini type of clothing had no underwear with their skirts. They added a new upstair level. Did they remodel and make the lower level smaller?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1959671]Most places only had the pack of four 100 MG pills. The small independent pharmacies were asking between 350 to 500 Baht. The normal price is 180 Baht.

It seems you have to go to a chain pharmacy.

Fascino (on Central Pattaya Road east of 2nd Road) had it for 180 Baht. [URL]http://www.fascino.co.th/[/URL].

Note: I was not asking for heart medicine! It was only legal generic Viagra, which has been time tested. But even then, a legit Indian pharmaceutical company from a reliable pharmacy should be OK for anything. This is the same delimma / question in the US when you want to order prescription drugs from a Canadian pharmacy to get it at a lower cost.[/QUOTE]Note that 100 MG is the largest prescribed and available dosage for Sildenafil. 50 MG works fine for me (and most people) - just use a pill splitter and you have two dosages (for most people). The generic Colombian "Sildenafilo" I bought down there in a pharmacy is a 50 MG pill. Of course, YMMV. Some have quartered a 100 MG tablet to get all the erection they need!

As a point of price comparison, the Colombian product was 3000 Colombian Pesos in a small box of two (that's about $1 for two 50 MG tablets).

[QUOTE=HotShaneHot;1959757]OK.

Never need it.[/QUOTE]We know everyone seen the photos, you take care of those suspected Warts?

Good day all.

I haven't been active on the forum lately, I tend to catch up much closer to an upcoming trip! My next and regular trip is scheduled for Christmas through to a couple days after NYE. This is going to be my 4th such trip in succession, however, I did mix it up by coming in June as well earlier this year. I must add, the differences are staggering, the foot traffic and bar occupants / other mongers aside, prices and girls quality / looks vary. Honestly, I have looked over my finances and at the end of the whole trip, it only makes me a difference of max $500 for the whole trip. With drinks, mongering, food, general hopping. So if crowd is something you can live with, slightly higher but much better variety of girls then busy season is nothing to avoid.

A short summary of the vague details I remember from the last trip.

WS is changing and rapidly fast. Lots of new stores coming in and not all of them are GoGos or Bars, many of them are outlets like any readymade store we find in our home countries. This is a clear ploy to cash in on the foot traffic however, prices of girls was not much different on WS. They were still quoting very high prices, 4-5 k LT (even 8 k) and 2.5+ for ST. I for one find this unacceptable, no matter what her looks are. I settled for Side streets, Soi Bukhao etc for my exercises and came down to people watch and enjoy the GoGos. My last trip was during the Euros and Brexit, it was a great atmosphere, there are many good sports bars along and around Soi Bukhaow, highly highly recommend them. I had my share of experimenting with food around Pattaya, there is a large variety of international food options, always settle on the Subway Chain or a English Breakfast. I've heard it all, other mongers shaking their heads in disapproval but less problems I have with the stomach means more time mongering. The Russians were still overpriced, there is a lot more Ladyboys around or I may have just started to notice them. No issues, nor any incidents to report. Except do not feel obliged to take a girl. Ever! Negotiate and always set a price. My friend refuses to do this and has recently moved there, lives by that advice, I do not recommend it.

I would love to add many more memories, but I have a Question! The same friend whom I mentioned above has now moved to Pattaya, he does not monger as aggressively and as frequently as he used to with me and scoffs / sighs but occasionally joins other mongers, he has been recently saying especially since the Kings passed, its a little died down, things are a little quieter, liquors are same but music is a little toned down, girls are a little less prone to pulling.

My question is, is it true? I'm sure it will be fine during the busy Christmas onwards season, nothing to deter my trip but just want another opinion. What is the current situation in Pattaya? Any worrying signs?

[QUOTE=Eurojay;1960179]Good day all.

I haven't been active on the forum lately, I tend to catch up much closer to an upcoming trip! My next and regular trip is scheduled for Christmas through to a couple days after NYE. This is going to be my 4th such trip in succession, however, I did mix it up by coming in June as well earlier this year. I must add, the differences are staggering, the foot traffic and bar occupants / other mongers aside, prices and girls quality / looks vary. Honestly, I have looked over my finances and at the end of the whole trip, it only makes me a difference of max $500 for the whole trip. With drinks, mongering, food, general hopping. So if crowd is something you can live with, slightly higher but much better variety of girls then busy season is nothing to avoid.

A short summary of the vague details I remember from the last trip.[/QUOTE]Hey Eurojay,

I just got back from Pattaya. Everything seems to be pretty normal, maybe some places will close earlier but not sure as I was usually out of the GoGo's by 1 AM the latest. But from what I experienced everything seems to be the same. However Bangkok is much quieter and most GoGo's are closed by 12 when I was there last week.

[QUOTE=Eurojay;1960179]its a little died down, things are a little quieter, liquors are same but music is a little toned down, girls are a little less prone to pulling.

My question is, is it true? I'm sure it will be fine during the busy Christmas onwards season, nothing to deter my trip but just want another opinion. What is the current situation in Pattaya? Any worrying signs?[/QUOTE]Same as it ever was. Women trading pussy for money. I don't think anyone has ever said they were going to Pattaya because of how loud it was. Look at the big picture.

Pattaya Report, Day 1 (Monday).

I am back! This is my fourth visit to the Land of Smiles. The plan this year is to spend about 12 days here, then go up to Bangkok for 2 days to visit the Cowboy and Nana districts for the first time, then meet up with my Thai GF to visit Phuket for about a week then return to Bangkok for a few days before I head back home.

For the trip over I took EVA airline, Elite class, from LAX to BKK via Taipei. I love Elite class. This airline gives good service and has always been on time and professional. I had hoped to arrive in time to catch the 12 PM Bell bus to Pattaya, but the immigration line was long and the officer in the sub-line I chose was super slow. I don't want to take a taxi for safety reasons. They are far less safe than a bus and so much cheaper. Many taxi's don't have operable seat belts, and Thailand is one of the least-safe countries regarding auto accidents.

But I did miss the bus by half an hour. Coming out of immigration I exchanged some currency, aghast that the best rate I could find was about 34.05 (In Pattaya, I am seeing up to 34.9. I have never seen this huge difference in exchange rates between the two places be this great.) I exchanged $200, then decided to face death and get a taxi rather than wait another 75 minutes for the next bus. My luck of the draw was an older cab, hard seats and, of course, inoperable seat belts. Oh well. But, obviously, I made it safely to Pattaya. The trip took nearly 2 hours, but we were slowed by rain along the way.

Arriving at the Dynasty on Soi 13, I was upset that they have done away with the old keys and magnetic flop for a modern card reader system. Before, a simple magnet would defeat their power-down equipment, so that you could leave the AC on when you left the room, allowing you to come back to a comfortable, de-humidified room after you went out. Can't do that anymore! After a week I am switching to the Sandy Spring, where I hope they are still using the old system.

I had been in contact with Mr. E and was hoping to meet with him before his departure early Monday morning tomorrow). In the meantime, I decided to start the mongering activities by visiting a BJ bar on Soi 6. I have never done this before, as I generally like full service, with the BJ as part of the overall service. I have always had coming with simply a BJ. Not sure why, but I can count all the releases I have had via BJ in my entire life on my two hands with fingers left over. But the naughty part of me was intrigued with what I have heard about the My Friend You bar, so I figured that if I were to have success at it, it should be the first visit of my trip following a period of abstinence.

So, I headed down to Soi 6 late in the afternoon. As Banana Boy reported, Soi 6 was loaded with girls, and whereas last time I was here it was difficult to find a doable girl of the class I wanted, there were quite a relative few this time. I did a walk down and back the full length of the street, tempted to stop at several bars, but I went back to My Friend You, being intrigued by a cutie with a really trim body. Her name was Tuk and she was a bit crazy, in a good way. We went inside and she got me my club soda, sitting down next to me and starting to freely roam her hands all over me. It got a little exciting so I bought her a drink and we went into the curtained area by the bar for our activities.

The price was a 300 BF plus 700 for her. For FS upstairs it would have been the regular 300/1000. I considered FS, but kept to my plan of a BJ from a professional. So, in the barely semi-private area (you are hidden from the bar by a curtain, but anyone else getting a BJ will be in there with you). It was deserted, and she had me remove my pants, and she removed her top. She was probably around 30 but with a pretty firm body and firm, young looking breasts of a nice small Bee cup. Her hair was soft, her voice was nice, and she was playful and joyful. Se proceeded to give a nice, sloppy BBBJ but, alas, no joy for me as I just can't come. Bummer. I have not released in a week, and nothing. Not sure I can blame her for that – it is me. My Thai GF can't get me off either this way. It is just how I am I guess. But Tuk tried hard and I may go back for FS as I loved her body.

For others wondering about a BJ Bar, here is the process. Go to the bar and there should be several girls sitting out front. Pick one you like (several may vie for your attention) and they will take you inside to the bar, where you are obliged to buy yourself a drink I guess. Talk with the girl and if you still like her, don't be cheap, and buy her a drink as well. After that, she should start coming on to you, and if you don't start the conversation about activities, she probably will. You can certainly just some out and say you are there for a BJ. That is ok, as that is what they are famous for. When that is decided upon, be prepared to go off to the curtained off area and be prepared for others being in there or coming in there. You will strip from the waist down and be sitting on a vinyl couch with the germs on hundreds or thousands of other bare butts. (Thinking about that might have had some effect on my inability to come.) The will take her top off, and end up kneeling on a cold, hard floor, slurping you off to heaven. Hopefully. No idea if they will take it in the mouth or if they can sense you coming and will pull out and you end up shooting in theirface, breasts or in the air. No idea at all.

Anyway, I can recommend Tuk and the bar. They provide the service they are famous for.

After that, I walked down the soi towards the beach. I contemplated visiting one of the regular bars, but realized that when I left the hotel I forget to bring any condoms. I prefer my. 01's to their standard fare, so without them I just grabbed a baht bus to come back to the hotel and rest a little from my long international trip and wait hear back from Mr. E. I still had no phone or internet service outside the hotel.

But soon enough, I met Mr E who kindly offered to come to my hotel and help me with getting local internet and phone service. He is a tough negotiator! After that, went to WS. We visited some bars, and he showed me his infamous table at 808, then we went onto the street to check out a few gogos. We ended up near the WS entrance and passing by Sugar Baby. I had a near heaven experience with a girl from there last time, though to be honest she was a star fish practically, but a heavenly-looking star fish. But was her name Bell or Bee? I couldn't remember, but she had a perfect body with enhanced boobs and a heavenly voice. In her street clothes she was jaw dropping hot. So we go in and I look around for her. She performed naked at the far end of the stage last time I was there, and I looked there and didn't see her. There was a girl who was similar, with similarly large boobs and the same shoulder-length hair, but with lots of tattoos and obviously older due to some slightly, very slightly, drooping skin. But the more I look, the more I wonder if that is her. We asked the mamasan who that girl was. She checks and says it is Bee. Well, ok, maybe that is her. But I am still not satisfied, so I go over to her and ask to see if she might remember me and she says she does. Well, maybe she does or maybe she didn't. I didn't see her eyes light up when I came over, but what really struck me was her raspy voice. No! MY Bee had a soft voice and her English was excellent. I didn't talk long enough to check her English skills, being taken aback by that voice. Ugh. What has happening in these last 6 months? I tell her I am with a friend but will come back to see her. She smiles at that and I leave. But do I really want to see her again? She is not cheap and while the first time was heaven with her and I was more than happy to simply gaze at her body while the lied there, that would not be the case this time. Sigh.

I was getting tired, and he needed to wake up early the next morning, so we decided to call it quits on WS. I wanted to go back to Soi 6 for a quickie there, and he offered to take me there, showing me other mongering areas I had never seen before, such as the LK area, as well as some of the other more remote places, I. E. Post office, 007, etc. It was a great little tour and then we said goodbye at Soi 6. Mr E is fun to be with, a wealth of information and I thank him profusely for the help and generosity. I had offered to buy him dinner and drink but he ended up paying for mine, so he is a gentleman's gentleman.

There were some really cute girls out. One hot little spinner I wanted was scooped right in front of me because I hesitated a few seconds too long. I ended up at the Mandarin, on the south side not too far from the BR entrance. I was called over and while the girl I ended up with might not normally have been my first or second choice, I kind of liked that she was a little larger (but still properly proportioned) than some of the smaller girls. Sometimes the tiny spinners just don't feel right – we need a woman with the larger bodies to accommodate our Western body types sometimes. The tiny girls can be sexy, but the large ones (again, not intending "large" to mean fat, just having some curves) offer advantages too. Before committing to her I did touch her and rub my hands up and down her waist and I enjoyed what I felt, and she had a nice face in the dim light, so I thought what the heck? She did turn out to give a semi GFE, but there were also mechanical elements to it. LFK, lots of touching, she kissed my nipples, which I love, and was pretty passionate, but there was still some mechanics to it. She was a little older than I had thought, as her skin was just on the verge of getting saggy. Breasts were quite small. I was disappointed in that she started off opening up her condom. No BJ. I let her use her condom, and she felt good inside. It was fairly passionate and after a while and after a few positions, she stopped and removed herself from me. Did she just come, I wondered? She removed the condom and then gave a nice BJ. After a few minutes she asked if I wanted a condom back on, I said yes but that I wanted to use my own. Mine was better. We resumed and I obtained my first orgasm of the trip, where I finished with her flat on her back, legs together, me on top.

Her name was Dow, I forget to say. Cost was standard 300/1000. As with Tuk earlier, I left no tip.

I went home and to bed, glad to be back inside a woman again after too long, and to be back in this awesome city. I have apprehensions about spending 12 days here though. Previously, my longest trip was 6 or 7 days, and I was getting depressed by that point. I mean, doing women day after day in an otherwise boring city gets old! Haha. But this time I am armed with ThiaCupid and Tender, and I have made a couple of preliminary contacts, and I am hoping to find a few who will model before the camera for me. I am taking beach shots and the like, not necessarily naughty photos. Do that with them during the day would help relieve the boredom. I have also learned my long term heart thob, Fon, is also in town and is back at the Peppermint. Some may remember I had Fon in my room last time twice, and never got any off her. We have maintained a small amount of contact since last time, and don't ask me why, but have not made any plans to be together again. She is a girl that has a strange hold over me, so I am curious as to what may happen.

Plans for tomorrow (Tuesday). I guess the US election will be happening later in the day but I probably won't follow it, waiting until Thursday morning here to learn the fate of our nation. I should try to get some apps and things loaded on the new used phone Mr. E helped me buy, work on this report, head pick up some laundry I dropped off, then probably head back to Soi 6 for some afternoon action, back to the hotel for more writing and a nap, then to WS in the night to possibly see Fon at the Peppermint and guage her reaction to me, possible go back to see Bee (though possibly not as that voice now. Argh), possibly back to Red Car (older women there typically, but the bar that is not quite as loud as the others and no smoking), and doing whatever pops into my mind?

To wrap Day One, I visited one Soi 6 BJ bar for 300/700 and one typical Soi bar for FS at 300/1000. I will note the rate at Sugar Baby (we asked) was 1000 BF ST and then whatever the girl charges, but apparently that is 2000ST. I think LT would be 2000/3000. I seem to remember that Bee had a higher rate. She may have been worth it then.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1960659]Pattaya Report, Day 1 (Monday).

Previously, my longest trip was 6 or 7 days, and I was getting depressed by that point. I mean, doing women day after day in an otherwise boring city gets old! Haha.

Do that with them during the day would help relieve the boredom.
[/QUOTE]Great report FL Hawk! Keep them coming! I'll be eagerly reading them.

You seem to be in the same mind set as I am when I visit Pattaya. I get bored really easily. I am also a really early riser, so between 6 am -1 pm I am usually bored out of my mind.

Let us know what you end up doing during the day! Hopefully your discoveries can help me when I arrive in mid-January.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1960659]Pattaya Report, Day 1 (Monday).

I am back! This is my fourth visit to the Land of Smiles. The plan this year is to spend about 12 days here, then go up to Bangkok for 2 days to visit the Cowboy and Nana districts for the first time, then meet up with my Thai GF to visit Phuket for about a week then return to Bangkok for a few days before I head back home.

For the trip over I took EVA airline, Elite class, from LAX to BKK via Taipei. I love Elite class. This airline gives good service and has always been on time and professional. I had hoped to arrive in time to catch the 12 PM Bell bus to Pattaya, but the immigration line was long and the officer in the sub-line I chose was super slow. I don't want to take a taxi for safety reasons. They are far less safe than a bus and so much cheaper. Many taxi's don't have operable seat belts, and Thailand is one of the least-safe countries regarding auto accidents.

But I did miss the bus by half an hour. Coming out of immigration I exchanged some currency, aghast that the best rate I could find was about 34.05 (In Pattaya, I am seeing up to 34.9. I have never seen this huge difference in exchange rates between the two places be this great.) I exchanged $200, then decided to face death and get a taxi rather than wait another 75 minutes for the next bus. My luck of the draw was an older cab, hard seats and, of course, inoperable seat belts. Oh well. But, obviously, I made it safely to Pattaya. The trip took nearly 2 hours, but we were slowed by rain along the way..[/QUOTE]Excellent report thanks, I believe your elite ticket should of came with fast track through immigration, I've read different story's about this but most times the flight attendant will not offer it to you unless you ask! Happy travels,

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1960659]Pattaya Report, Day 1 (Monday).

I am back![/QUOTE]Hurray! Looking forward to reading about all your successes, trials and tribulations. And this is an excellent first report.

Hi Guys,

I am in Pattaya right now. This is my third and last day in Pattaya. First day I was in Nasha Club which is good as the quality of girls of is quite good but the asking price of quality is around 6000. Also been to Galaxy Russian club which is totally a fake club as the Russian girls standing outside told us for full sex for 2000 Baht inside the room but when we went it was only private show and when we complained these girls were totally changed. So on the second day went again to Nasha girl and took a Turkish girl who was really a nice one and stayed with me for whole night and full of enjoyment. On third day the indian guy standing on the waking street took us to Deja Vu Russian club which turns to be a nightmare. The lady manger told us for best service for 6000 bath inside the hotel room. The girl named Juliane with blonde hair was very nice inside the club but totally changed when we reached to the hotel. And it was the moment I lost my mood so nothing happen even after paying 6000 baht. So guys don't trust any russian girl or club when you are in Pattaya as they are there only for cheating. Tomo I am going to Bangkok so will write about my experience.

Bye for now.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1960667] I am also a really early riser, so between 6 am -1 pm I am usually bored out of my mind.[/QUOTE]Shouldn't you still be with your girl from the night before til around noon?

Head out for an oil massage at one of the thousand massage shops. Write some very detailed reviews for ISG. Go to the temple like all the gogo girls do maybe you can pick one up there.

[QUOTE=Guym24;1960853]Hi Guys,
I am in Pattaya right now. This is my third and last day in Pattaya. First day I was in Nasha Club which is good as the quality of girls of is quite good but the asking price of quality is around 6000. Also been to Galaxy Russian club which is totally a fake club...[/QUOTE]I would urge my fellow mongers to forget about Russian working girls in Pattaya, or any other parts of Asia. If you really like Russian girls, go to the FKKs in Germany, ton of them there. They cost 50 Euros per session (1/2 hour) plus club entrance fees (60 to 80 Euros). After you've had enough of them there, you will forget about them. They look good but they are generally lousy in the sack. I learned that from experience, after seeing 20+ Russian working girls over the 12 years I've been going to the FKKs.

I met a girl online on Thai friendly. She said she would accompany me to Phuket as long as I cover the expense of her trip to Bangkok and Bangkok to Phuket. S. She is very beautiful. But reading about all these scams makes me worried. Has anyone come accords this situation. Any help would be great.

[QUOTE=SeanSharma87;1960887]I met a girl online on Thai friendly. She said she would accompany me to Phuket as long as I cover the expense of her trip to Bangkok and Bangkok to Phuket. S. She is very beautiful. But reading about all these scams makes me worried. Has anyone come accords this situation. Any help would be great.[/QUOTE]My concern with such situations is not that I am worried about any scams, but more that I simply may not be compatible with her for the duration of the trip.

It is easy to be infatuated with a profile and picture of a beautiful woman online. But let's say you meet her and everything seems to check out. But you are now stuck with her for the remainder of the trip. What if something happens, or you realize that you really aren't that much into her. Now you have to drag her around everywhere or go your separate ways. Can be very inconvenient.

You can always meet a girl in Thailand first and if you have chemistry then take her on trips. I am not saying not to do what you are doing, but just something to keep in mind.

Just curious what your goal is here. Are you looking for relatively inexpensive companionship in terms of not having to worry about barfines and the girl's fee? A potentially more serious relationship partner?

[QUOTE=RacShack;1960671]Excellent report thanks, I believe your elite ticket should of came with fast track through immigration, I've read different story's about this but most times the flight attendant will not offer it to you unless you ask! Happy travels,[/QUOTE]Nope. Elite is lumped in with cattle class for immigration. I wish.

[QUOTE=SeanSharma87;1960887]I met a girl online on Thai friendly. She said she would accompany me to Phuket as long as I cover the expense of her trip to Bangkok and Bangkok to Phuket. S. She is very beautiful. But reading about all these scams makes me worried. Has anyone come accords this situation. Any help would be great.[/QUOTE]Unless you have been talking to her for a very long while, like a year or two, it is likely to be a scam. I talked to my OK Cupid GF for over 2 years before coming over, and I used my own credit card to pay for her ticket to BKK. If you do pay expenses for this girl, use your own card to pay, and chose a refundable flight. If she is scamming you she may try to talk you out of that, as she will have to provide her full information, or upon seeing she won't be able to get any money out of it, will simply refuse to come. If legit, she won't mind this plan at all. Mine didn't, and she is the real deal.

Day Two (Tuesday).

Tried to sleep late but it was hopeless past 8 AM. I had a little bit of laundry to do so I gather it up and took it to my favorite place on Soi 13/1, Porn Laundry, then walk down to the Bat Watch restaurant for breakfast. I then came back to the hotel to work on yesterday's report, as well as to take care of some business from back home, and to try to figure out the new used phone I got the day before, which gives me phone and Internet for the next 2 weeks. My regular phone is an iPhone, and this Samsung Duos has a different operating system and I have no idea how to use it. I start to figure out a few things and by then it is 2 PM. I am tired and ready for a nap, but I will have plenty of time to nap when I go home, so I head out to Soi 6.

Lots of girls out, many of them young and attractive. I finally pick a girl at Horny Bar. She looks young with a slender body and long legs. Very pretty face as well. Her name, and I am spelling it phonetically, is Kathai (ka thai) and she says she is 20 and has been here (or maybe at that bar) for a month. I was about to walk on as she was not talking much, but her friend prompted her to speak and I liked her smile so inside we went. She warmed up inside, and while she knew very little English, she was being funny and liked to tease me, so I bought her a drink and upstairs we soon went. Standard Soi 6 300/1000. I was a little disappointed to see that she was a mommie. It was not obviously noticeable. No flabby belly skin or scars, but it was not tight and firm as it would otherwise be. Breasts were small A with small nipples are areolas. The legs were indeed long and nice, with that very pretty face and hair.

It was a near GFE overall. She enjoyed LFT and we spent much time just holding and kissing and touching. At one point we were wrapped in each other's arms and the natural thing to have done at that point was for me to simply slip myself inside her. I contemplated trying to do that. She really seemed to be enjoying it all and my Johnson was down there poking around and she had not objections, but one has to stay safe so I broke it off for the condom. (Not saying she would have allowed bareback or that I really would have done it, but the temptation is there.) But stopping for a danged condom totally ruined the mood, as I discovered that my 01 package had been opened, so it was dry, and proved impossible to roll on. The condom come in plastic cups with a sealed cover, so to open you peel back the cover. I later found some others open package, like the adhesive had failed. Even when fresh, these can be difficult to roll on, and I have had to throw away a few for that reason. This time, there was no way it would go on properly so I pulled it off and broke out another, managing to get it on properly. But my rock hard package got a bit limp during this whole process, and that feeling you have when you are really on a roll with a woman was lot. She climbed on top of me in doggie, with me still not fully erect, and she performed well, though I never got to the rock hard state I had been in. She seemed to be in to it, with her eyes closed and her soft moaning. That and the sight of her banging away on top of me made up for some of the mood lost, and then I rolled her over on her back into missionary and with my arms wrapped around her again, most of the lost blood flow was restored. She started off a little dry but was pretty wet now and I pounded and managed to come once again. Many of you may recall I can go for days, seeing 2 girls a day, and not be able to come for some reason. I have proven to myself that I come at least once a day indefinitely, with twice a day thrown in every once in a while, leading to my belief that my bad showing in Pattaya is mainly due to the condoms. So, I doubt I will have success again tonight, and maybe not tomorrow either. We will see. But while I think her vag was not on the tight side my any means, it felt good and when she pumped out a little extra lubricant, it was all I needed.

I gave her a 100 Baht tip and she said she hoped I would return the next day. Sweet girl, and maybe later just due to the near GFE I might. Oh, there was no BJ. Maybe she skipped it due to the time we spent touching, but a short BJ would have been nice.

Leaving Soi 6, Dow from the night before walked by and said Hi. She wasn't looking bad in the daylight. Another girl, further down, latched on to me, as if she knew me and we had been together before. She was a little chubby and I doubt I had been with her. I broke away, then hopped on a baht bus. I was very tired still and wanted a nap. However, with Kathai I drank a diet coke, so the caffeine is affecting me a bit, so I first wrote the rough draft of my experience thus far today before finally lying down at 5 PM. Polls in the US will open in a few hours. The fate of the free world depends on what will happen later when I am out mongering on WS!

At about 6 PM decide to take a nap. I figure I can sleep a few hours and hit WS and maybe check out the discos a bit, as that is an area I still haven't come close to mastering. I am really tired and quickly fall asleep. I wake up a few times but figure it is still early, but I notice I have probably dozed a long time I checked the analog wall clock in the room at is reads 2:50! What the!! How did I sleep so late, and now what do I do? This totally screws up my sleeping schedule, as I now wake up at the time the place shuts down. Well, no use going back to bed since I have already slept 8 hours or more so I will be just lying there until daybreak. Well, even if the gogo are shutting down, there will still be the disco's for a little while longer, so may as well get up and head in and at least see what it is like that late. I dress but only take a little bit of money, as the only thing I will be getting that night, if anything, will be a FL girl. The hotel is dead as I leave the lobby. But outside, the soi has people and as I walk down towards to BR, there are many people and baht busses and FL girls are in abundance on BR. Huh?? I pull out by cell and, duh, it is only 10 PM. Yes, in the dark, I had mis-read the clock! I had plenty of time! Whew. I timed it pretty good actually.

One thing I am noting on WS is that the throng of Chinese bus tourists is gone. Last May there were dozens of buses full of Chinese busses clogging BR, and hundreds if not thousands of tourists in their tour groups clogging WS with mothers, grandmothers and kids. I don't think I have seen a single bus this trip and only a very few tour groups. They are here, but in the normal numbers I have seen in all my previous visits. WS is still busy, but not choking with those who really should not be in a red light district.

I did stop by Peppermint to see Luk, my friend the mamasan, and the other girl who always finds me, though I can't remember her name. Within a minute they both find me. The girl, seems like her name might be Porn, seriously, has lost some weight and looks much better, but I did her once as a favor and she was too expensive for her looks then, and still would be now. Luk invited me to her birthday party this Friday, so I might stop back by. They had dozens of girls there, may quite hot. This is certainly one of the better quality clubs on WS. I had been in contact with Fon, the girl who I have lusted over since the beginning, and she said she was back at the Peppermint. She was not working that night, but one of the first things Luk told me was that she was back. I am not sure if will try to party with Fon or not. We will see. Over Line she did say she will see me. I don't know.

Anyway, I visited I-Bar a few times and a few other places but ended up at Red Car and there I met Anna. Older, maybe early 40's, still fairly trim with long soft hair and a very nice face. I feel some pride in that I saw her standing nearby and I actually pursued her. I offered her on open chair at the bar and slowly we started talking a little. She warmed up to me and thought there was never any overt stuff, the point was reached where she asked if I wanted her and when I said yes, she made me laugh when she said "you know you have to pay for it". Ok, 2000 Baht for LT.

Back at the hotel, she did the shower by herself, which I normally take as a bad sign, though that is not always the case. It was after 2 PM and she was very tired and a tad drunk, and she was curled up in bed by the time I finished my shower. But she dutifully got to work and offered a pretty nice BBBJ. Now you may remember I like to use Japanese Sagami 01 condoms. I have also used the Aoni 01's, but find they tend to break if the girl does not maintain adequate lubrication. This time, in addition to these, I also brought some Sagami Original L-size (I think they are 01's, but maybe they are 02's) as well as the Trojan Naturalamb. These are the skin condoms. These are not made for small dick's. It just barely fits me, and I am average. Anyway, these are supposedly the best feeling of them all, even the 01's, as they are natural. They don't block viruses, so you have to be cautious, but I thought I would try one with Anna. The condom is thicker than the 01's, so I was leery, but it did feel pretty good inside her. I guess I need to find a girl and do some comparison testing! Anyway, she was not exactly a GFE, but she was into it, moaning and calling out, but I had the impression some of it was faked. I was getting close to coming, feeling great that I might set a new Pattaya record of coming 3 times in two days, when the last time I was here I think I came 3 times in a week. But alas, I was getting close then I slipped out of her, then after that the feeling was gone. That was it. I pretended to come, as these Thai ladies can get personally insulted if they can't get you off.

I showed and she turned over to sleep. I don't know if I slept any. The nap earlier took it toll. She woke up around 8 and said she was leaving. Fine. Nice lady, but not worth 2000. It was dark in the room so I can't vouch too much on her appearance naked, but her skin was super soft, though I felt a large see-Section scar. He breasts were surprisingly firm and felt really good, considering she has a kid. But, no, I can't recommend her for her asking price.

After she left, I turned on the TV to watch the US election results and was stunned to see an unexpected history in the making. I went out to breakfast then came back and watched until the victory speech. Amazing, whichever way you feel about the outcome.

This concludes the Day 2 report. Summary: I had Katahi on Soi 6 for the standard 300/1000, and FL Anna from Red Car for 2000. For Day 3, I will try to celebrate / mourn the election results on both Soi 6 and WS, and I might check out a FL. I should also work on a couple of Tinder girls I met.

I want to thank all the people who responded to my post regarding the safe way to carry cash and deal with credit cards in the LOS. Very good info for all! I'll share a few little things I've picked up which might be helpful for others in regards to what we carry in our pockets.

I believe it was on this thread, that somebody mentioned he just carried a money clip around when out mongering, as opposed to a wallet. I thought that odd. Money clips, a quaint archaic thing. But, the more I thought about it the more it made sense. I don't need this thick wallet that carries all the stuff I normally need to for work, driving around and everyday life at home. I won't even be driving in Thailand period. When looking for a money clip (not something easy to find in stores) I looked at the first place I look for anything. Ebay. I found dozens and dozens to choose from, mostly for under $5. I found a modern take on the money clip with two clips back to back. One for cash and another for cards. $4. I realized that it will be a lot harder to pickpocket these things, not to mention easier to dispense cash. Thanks to whoever suggested getting a money clip.

Then it has been brought to my attention, that one will need to carry specific coins in Thailand. Coins for the baht bus, and the pay toilets, etc. We don't give much thought to coins in the modern world of electronic commerce. But, it occurred to me that I didn't need to be fumbling around for some unfamiliar coins when I needed them. It occurred to me I needed an old fashioned coin purse. Remember the plastic "squeeze" coin purses that used to be omnipresent and given out as freebies with the name of some business on the back? They are hard to come by now. Again, I looked on Ebay and found them. But they tend to ship from Asia, and cost more than a money clip, oddly enough. I found a bright red one for $5. It should be handy not to mention not so easy for me to lose!

Finally, I gave some thought to how I will carry around those condoms I will need. We all know not to put them in your wallet or your back pocket. At home there are a few in the glove box of my car, in case a date asks me to come inside her place. In Berlin last year, I kept a few in my jacket pockets. But, in Colombia earlier this year I didn't need a jacket. I put the rubbers in my front shirt pocket, where I already have two much stuff already. I looked into condom cases online. But, they all got bad online reviews on the places that sold them. They were more gimmicky or cheap. People who bought them complained they didn't accommodate large condoms, or more than one or they were poorly made. But, on some other forum not related to mongering, somebody suggested using old Game boy cartridge cases. I never owned any of that stuff. But, I decided to look for them on Ebay (where else? I found a Gameboy case for 75 cents including shipping from Japan. It took a few weeks to get here but it was perfect for the job. It was just the right size to accommodate two, large Kimono condoms and fits easily in my front pants pocket.

So, I took a photo of the trio and I hope this might be helpful for others, who want to organize their mongering essentials.

Hello,

I want to have a holiday in Pattaya in December and I assume girls may spice up may holidays.

As a first timer (don't blame me if I have overlooked comments in the forum) I have some questions:

1. "Walking Street" in Pattaya South is the action, right? Or other places you would recommend?

2. If I book a five star resort there (eg. , Sofitel close to the Walking Street), are they "girl friendly"? How difficult it may be to bring a part time lover to such compound? Any suggestions where it is easier?

3. Any possibility to find limited time GF in advance to reduce the burden of hunting every night?

T.

To find the many, many answers to your questions, please RTFF. All your questions are answered. If you insist, I will do the research for you at $70 an hour.

[QUOTE=Transmuter;1961171]Hello,

I want to have a holiday in Pattaya in December and I assume girls may spice up may holidays.

As a first timer (don't blame me if I have overlooked comments in the forum) I have some questions:

1. "Walking Street" in Pattaya South is the action, right? Or other places you would recommend?

2. If I book a five star resort there (eg. , Sofitel close to the Walking Street), are they "girl friendly"? How difficult it may be to bring a part time lover to such compound? Any suggestions where it is easier?

3. Any possibility to find limited time GF in advance to reduce the burden of hunting every night?

T.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 is probably the place with the most action and debauchery.

Yes, yes and yes. You can send me a check for $75.

[QUOTE=Transmuter;1961171]

1. "Walking Street" in Pattaya South is the action, right?

2. If I book a five star resort there (eg. , Sofitel close to the Walking Street), are they "girl friendly"?

3. Any possibility to find limited time GF in advance to reduce the burden of hunting every night?

T.[/QUOTE].

Transmuter, depends what you mean by action. If you mean grabbing a girl and banging her within 2 minutes, Soi 6 and the G-clubs are where to go. There is a hotel forum for hotel discussions but for an upscale hotel a favorite here is Baraquda. Any girl in Pattaya will be your limited time GF if they are satisfied with what you pay them.

[QUOTE=Transmuter;1961171]Hello,

I want to have a holiday in Pattaya in December and I assume girls may spice up may holidays.

As a first timer (don't blame me if I have overlooked comments in the forum) I have some questions:

1. "Walking Street" in Pattaya South is the action, right? Or other places you would recommend?

2. If I book a five star resort there (eg. , Sofitel close to the Walking Street), are they "girl friendly"? How difficult it may be to bring a part time lover to such compound? Any suggestions where it is easier?

3. Any possibility to find limited time GF in advance to reduce the burden of hunting every night?

T.[/QUOTE]Go back 100 pages and read it all! Lots of info and tips.

But. Since I am bored right now, I will try to help.

1. There are several places with action. I think Soi 6 is the ultimate. The street is lined with girls sitting outside call for you. You can get cute girl for an hour for 1300 Baht, plus drinks. Less than $50 total and you do the deed right there, upstairs, and get two free showers included! Walking Street has the higher profile agogo's, but you have to go inside and they will demand you get a drink. Many many girls from ugly to beautiful, from maybe 2000 baht up to over 5000. There are also disco's here. You can spend the night on WS. Next is Beach Road in the evening through night for the Free Lancers. From old and ugly to young and cute, the going rate is around 800 baht, maybe less for older and uglier. Best pickings are late afternoon through 10 or 11 PM. Overall, Soi 6 for best value, WS for the the quality and entertainment, and BR for cheap, but not always low quality.

2. Do your research!

3. You can search in Tinder and Thai Cupid. I have had no luck on Thai Cupid, but I am older. I have met one from Tender, but she just wanted quickies. Your luck may vary. But advertise and you might find someone. Some girls, if they like you, will want to hang with you your whole trip. But if you just want to avoid the hassles of hunting, go to Soi 6 or BR and spend a few minutes.

Day 3 (Wednesday).

OK, after watching the election results, I headed to Soi 6 to celebrate / mourn. It was later in the afternoon and I didn't want to waste too much time, so I picked one of the first girls I saw who I thought was cute. It was Fern from Sexy Inn. Nice legs, slender body and nice face. Did the drinks then upstairs. And now it gets interesting. For the first time ever on Soi 6, when we strip for the shower, she leaves on her bra and panties and tells me to go on and shower alone. Um, ok. I come out and she has taken her bra off to reveal a set of smallish implants not well done. She then goes into the shower before removing her panties, and closes the door. Um, ok. She comes out naked and reveals a trimmed Bush but other than the implants, a nice body. We lie down and she proceeds to give an awesome BBBJ. She is slow and soft and I am in heaven. Most of these girls start off too fast. After a good long while she asks if I am ready for her to climb on and, yes, I am. On goes the condom and she slides herself on, but she acts like I am too big and seem to struggle and maybe feel some pain, but se gets me in. She is a little dry, but after some up and down activity she seems to moisten up, but within a minute she climbs off and asks if I want her to smoke me again (I. E BJ). Well, sure, as it did feel great. So many many more minutes of smoking, as they say, but I cannot come. But I am also wondering if I have TG ladyboy! Her voice is normal, hands are small, so I see no physical clues, but a tight dry vag that really didn't feel right, even though the lube level seemed to increase, and the extreme emphasis on a BJ over intercourse. I don't know!

Either way, Fern was a nice provider if not a little strange, and I really don't want to dwell on if she if she was born a he. As long as they had a V between their legs I guess I won't freak. Anyway, cost was the standard 300/1000. Pleasant girl, really cute and perfect if you want a long, slow BBBJ with little or no intercourse.

I then went back to the hotel and took another nap, waking up around 9 PM. I first went to Soi 6. I intended to especially careful in my selection! I stopped by the Clansman and saw Jan. Another cute girl who gave an awesome BBBJ. No doubt she was a real girl who was funny and accommodating. Really nice time, though the specifics elude me now. Standard 300/1000 and, no, I couldn't come again, but not due to her. She tried and tried. When I couldn't come in my condom, she smoked me again and when that wasn't working she broke out one of her condoms (inferior to mine) and when that didn't work more smoking and even when I told her to stop trying she kept going, sad that she wasn't able to get me off. I will add that she had a great little vag. The feeling of it was superior in one particular position, but I couldn't capitalize on it. I did tip her 100 for her outstanding effort. Great girl, Jan.

I am now getting a bit sexually frustrated, after having a good start. On the baht bus I see a lot of attractive FL girls on BR, so I get off the bus around Soi 7 and start walking back towards my hotel. I make a few passes but decide on a sexy looking girl with bleached hair. Not a spinner, again in that she did not have a tiny body, but one a little more classically shaped meaning she had hips and a waist. She did not have the body of a 20 why / o, but still nice and she had a certain look to her that I liked. She wore blue jean shorts that were bleached in a pattern of tiger stripes I suppose. I mention this as on later days I continued to see her, in the vicinity of Soi 13, wearing the same outfit. Back at the hotel, Tee opted to shower alone and as soon, and as we hit the bed she went to work. That usually bodes poorly, but this girl gave another awesome BBBJ. Whereas Fern had a light touch, she was more firm and a little faster, but not too hard or too fast. It really felt good. This was becoming the day of some of the best BJ's ever. I was thinking that just possibly I could come with this. She stopped and I thought it was over, but it was just to change position, and she went back to work. Good girl. But it was then time to but the condom on and climb aboard and started grinding away. When they grind, it means (I hope) they are rubbing their clit so that it will feel good for them. She did make some legit moans, especially in doggie when being pounded, so I do think she was having a good time. I used the Aoni condom and it worked out fine, though she was using lube so it all worked out. Still, no coming with her though, again, there were times I would get close. She tried hard, going back to BJ then a HJ, but HJs can be painful after a while due to the hand pressure, so I soon had her stop. I should add, for a FL, she was nice and she really tried. Nice body, though not a spinner, and great attitude. Paid her 800 and it was worth it.

After Tee left, I headed to WS. I had now had 3 women (well.) today and wondered if I needed a 4th. I really didn't do much on WS, just walked around a bunch. Still not seeing many Chinese. I visited the discos but they were crowded around midnight and other than Red Car, stayed crowded until close to closing. I did stay a while in Red Car and sat next to an older lady who seemed like I could have gotten her interested, but upon a closer look she was not want I wanted. I left and soon enough the agogos started shutting down and the vendor trucks were moving in. I stayed and walked around for a while. I supposed that many of the girls that come out were players and might have been available, but I didn't try. I went home alone, but I did pass Tee on the way. She remembered me and greeted me warmly as I passed by. This was after 3 AM and WS was pretty bare, but she was there!

Anyway, for the day, two Soi 6 girls, hopefully all female, for 300/1000 each, and a really nice FL girl from BR for 800. Back at the hotel, I researched the Tinder girls some more to arrange something.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1961322]Day 3 (Wednesday).

Anyway, for the day, two Soi 6 girls, hopefully all female, for 300/1000 each, and a really nice FL girl from BR for 800. Back at the hotel, I researched the Tinder girls some more to arrange something.[/QUOTE]Bro,

Sorry to hear that you haven't been finishing! Are you taking any pills to help? Kamagra jelly doesn't just get me hard, it also makes me want to finish faster.

How much money are you spending on food and booze? A total of how much you are spending daily (massages, food, laundry, baht buses) would be really awesome.

Keep up the reports, they are awesome thus far!

I hear about using Kamagra jelly. Can anyone advise about costs and where to buy in Pattaya thanks fellow mongers.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1961322]Day 3 (Wednesday).

OK, after watching the election results, I headed to Soi 6 to celebrate / mourn. It was later in the afternoon and I didn't want to waste too much time, so I picked one of the first girls I saw who I thought was cute. It was Fern from Sexy Inn. Nice legs, slender body and nice face. Did the drinks then upstairs. And now it gets interesting. For the first time ever on Soi 6, when we strip for the shower, she leaves on her bra and panties and tells me to go on and shower alone. Um, ok. I come out and she has taken her bra off to reveal a set of smallish implants not well done. She then goes into the shower before removing her panties, and closes the door. Um, ok. She comes out naked and reveals a trimmed Bush but other than the implants, a nice body. We lie down and she proceeds to give an awesome BBBJ. She is slow and soft and I am in heaven. Most of these girls start off too fast. After a good long while she asks if I am ready for her to climb on and, yes, I am. On goes the condom and she slides herself on, but she acts like I am too big and seem to struggle and maybe feel some pain, but se gets me in. She is a little dry, but after some up and down activity she seems to moisten up, but within a minute she climbs off and asks if I want her to smoke me again (I. E BJ). Well, sure, as it did feel great. So many many more minutes of smoking, as they say, but I cannot come. But I am also wondering if I have TG ladyboy! Her voice is normal, hands are small, so I see no physical clues, but a tight dry vag that really didn't feel right, even though the lube level seemed to increase, and the extreme emphasis on a BJ over intercourse. I don't know!

Either way, Fern was a nice provider if not a little strange, and I really don't want to dwell on if she if she was born a he. As long as they had a V between their legs I guess I won't freak. Anyway, cost was the standard 300/1000. Pleasant girl, really cute and perfect if you want a long, slow BBBJ with little or no intercourse.

I then went back to the hotel and took another nap, waking up around 9 PM. I first went to Soi 6. I intended to especially careful in my selection! I stopped by the Clansman and saw Jan. Another cute girl who gave an awesome BBBJ. No doubt she was a real girl who was funny and accommodating. Really nice time, though the specifics elude me now. Standard 300/1000 and, no, I couldn't come again, but not due to her. She tried and tried. When I couldn't come in my condom, she smoked me again and when that wasn't working she broke out one of her condoms (inferior to mine) and when that didn't work more smoking and even when I told her to stop trying she kept going, sad that she wasn't able to get me off. I will add that she had a great little vag. The feeling of it was superior in one particular position, but I couldn't capitalize on it. I did tip her 100 for her outstanding effort. Great girl, Jan.

I am now getting a bit sexually frustrated, after having a good start. On the baht bus I see a lot of attractive FL girls on BR, so I get off the bus around Soi 7 and start walking back towards my hotel. I make a few passes but decide on a sexy looking girl with bleached hair. Not a spinner, again in that she did not have a tiny body, but one a little more classically shaped meaning she had hips and a waist. She did not have the body of a 20 why / o, but still nice and she had a certain look to her that I liked. She wore blue jean shorts that were bleached in a pattern of tiger stripes I suppose. I mention this as on later days I continued to see her, in the vicinity of Soi 13, wearing the same outfit. Back at the hotel, Tee opted to shower alone and as soon, and as we hit the bed she went to work. That usually bodes poorly, but this girl gave another awesome BBBJ. Whereas Fern had a light touch, she was more firm and a little faster, but not too hard or too fast. It really felt good. This was becoming the day of some of the best BJ's ever. I was thinking that just possibly I could come with this. She stopped and I thought it was over, but it was just to change position, and she went back to work. Good girl. But it was then time to but the condom on and climb aboard and started grinding away. When they grind, it means (I hope) they are rubbing their clit so that it will feel good for them. She did make some legit moans, especially in doggie when being pounded, so I do think she was having a good time. I used the Aoni condom and it worked out fine, though she was using lube so it all worked out. Still, no coming with her though, again, there were times I would get close. She tried hard, going back to BJ then a HJ, but HJs can be painful after a while due to the hand pressure, so I soon had her stop. I should add, for a FL, she was nice and she really tried. Nice body, though not a spinner, and great attitude. Paid her 800 and it was worth it.

After Tee left, I headed to WS. I had now had 3 women (well.) today and wondered if I needed a 4th. I really didn't do much on WS, just walked around a bunch. Still not seeing many Chinese. I visited the discos but they were crowded around midnight and other than Red Car, stayed crowded until close to closing. I did stay a while in Red Car and sat next to an older lady who seemed like I could have gotten her interested, but upon a closer look she was not want I wanted. I left and soon enough the agogos started shutting down and the vendor trucks were moving in. I stayed and walked around for a while. I supposed that many of the girls that come out were players and might have been available, but I didn't try. I went home alone, but I did pass Tee on the way. She remembered me and greeted me warmly as I passed by. This was after 3 AM and WS was pretty bare, but she was there!

Anyway, for the day, two Soi 6 girls, hopefully all female, for 300/1000 each, and a really nice FL girl from BR for 800. Back at the hotel, I researched the Tinder girls some more to arrange something.[/QUOTE]This non finishing happened to me too a while back after I took Cialis. I could not finish for over a weak! I think the drug was too strong or something and overloaded my system. On the plus side all the girls I was with started calling me a stud and some even started giving me a discount for not making me finish as they felt they were responsible. I tried to explain but the language issue prevented me to fully do so. It sure was a pain though. I feel for you bro.

I also have had problems with finishing and keeping a hard on. I always thought it was due to getting older. Now I know it was because of Adrenal Fatique. My body was trying to keep balance by lowering other body functions and reproduction have then a low priority so it was shut off.

This happened slowly over say four-five years so I never really noticed it since it was no dramatic change. But when completely shut off I did understand something was very wrong. My testosterone also took a nosedive.

But shortly after I was diagnosed and started with medication and in just a couple of days I started get back the sensation and could feel a dramatic change when having sex.

It has now been a year and I am back in business and enjoying sex fully again.

Looking back I understand that a key question the doctor had was if I was experiencing morning wood, I then realized it had been some years since last time.

So maybe a checkup when you get home would be a good idea?

Noble gents,

FL Hawk's trouble might be one of the most severe cases of delayed ejaculation ever reported in SEA and on this board and we certainly all share his pain and praise his courage to talk so openly about his condition. I'm just afraid that the girls on Soi 6, WS and BR start talking and giggling behind his back already and spread the word over the town. As a sign of fairness, I suggest that the early ejaculators come out too!

LP.

So I'll be visiting Pattaya after 2 yrs in the last week of February 17.

My last visit was in Feb 15 for sole purpose of mongering and once before that as just a tourist.

In my last visit I realized that Soi 6 is my thing and I'm not much into soapies. So this time I'm likely to spend more time there. Also Soi 7 n8 will be on radar. Any pointers will be appreciated.

I've been reading Hawk's report and they just perfect to get latest info. Looking foreword to read more and more about Soi 6 from him.

Bye for now.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1960878]I would urge my fellow mongers to forget about Russian working girls in Pattaya, or any other parts of Asia. If you really like Russian girls, go to the FKKs in Germany, ton of them there. They cost 50 Euros per session (1/2 hour) plus club entrance fees (60 to 80 Euros). After you've had enough of them there, you will forget about them. They look good but they are generally lousy in the sack. I learned that from experience, after seeing 20+ Russian working girls over the 12 years I've been going to the FKKs.[/QUOTE]Yes its true that FKK clubs are the best for quality and spending some good time. But in my last 2 visits to FKK clubs specially in Frankfurt there were more Romanian girls than Russian girls. Earlier it used to be mixed crowd and that was a good fun. I don't know the current situation whether they have mixed or Romanian only. So Bro let me know if you visit FKK.

Day 4 (Thursday).

One Tinder girl, who is young a cute with a spinner body, has indicated she wants to meet see. She is a cashier at Tesco Lotus. At 10 AM we arranged a meeting that I understood to mean at noon today, but it is exactly noon as I write this and I have not heard from her. I am just now writing to her. I ask about the 12:00 meeting and she doesn't understand, but then says she wants to still see me today. I say another time is fine, she says ok, I tell her to decide, she doesn't understand. I ask if she wants to come to me, she asks where, I say my hotel and she responds with "ah". Then I hear nothing. I assume that perhaps I misunderstood in that she was not really a FL girl, and the "ah" was her acknowledgement that I was not seeking friendship! But a later she asks if I want a massage and includes some smiley faces. I say that would be nice, she says yes, I ask when, she asks when do I want, I say now is fine, she confirms now, I say yes, she says she can, I tell her my room number after previously telling her my hotel, then she again asks what hotel then how much I will give her for short time, I say 800, she confirms that is ST, I say yes but maybe LT later, she says ok, then I ask when she will be here, and she (sheesh) again asks when I want, I say now, she ask says 30 minutes, I say ok, then a few minutes later asks if she can leave now. Yep. I am here.

From the tender info and pictures, she is cute with braces, 24 and looks younger, with the classic Asian spinner body. This is real time reporting folks! Wish me luck on my first Tender hookup! She is down stairs and on her way up, right on schedule! Wansika is her Tinder name.

Well..major technical goof. I had several days of following posts written, but now on the following Monday afternoon, several days later, it is all gone! It was all there Sunday and I was about to post, but I changed hotels and now it is gone. No back up beyond the previous paragraph. I have no idea what happened. There is hours of lost reporting, and I have forgotten so many details. But, sigh, I have gone back and recreated what I can. It will pick up live again on Day 7.

OK, Wansika was a little weird. She kind of takes control, but is kind of funny too. Cute enough face, skinny, dark body and an ok provider. Sheeh, I have forgotten so much. She was pretty rushed – in and out in 30 minutes or less, and I don't think I came with her, I just gave up. She is on ok provider, but most of the BR FL girls I have been with gave a better performance. See her if you want, but nothing special.

After she left, I worked on this report (obviously in vain), then I believe I headed to Soi 6 later. While in route, it struck me that I wanted to visit a body rub place, so I went up to Honey 2. I went inside and was not impressed. Lots of girls but most overweight. So I went back down to Sabai Dee (she two places are by the Siam at Siam hotel of 2nd street. Not all that much better, but I selected one and I wish I could remember her number as she would be one to avoid. I was trying to pick out a pretty girl, as slender as possible and with a pretty face, and with a big rack. I thought I chose the best, but later found she wore a push up bra that made her look bigger and firmer than she was. She was pleasant, but quite mechanical. First came the body slide, which was fun but too short. Then the bath. It was ok, but a lot of water wasted for just a quick bath. Then to bed, with a too-quick start to a too quick CBJ. Then quickly she climbed on in cow girl. Well, no way was I going to come! To her credit she tried, and even did a BBBJ, concerned I would be upset and would report her I guess. We were to have had 90 minutes. I wasn't there even an hour. The whole concept of a body slide with a sexy girl is wonderful. You see the Japanese porn videos and you long for the experience. This is my second body slide and neither one makes me want to do another. I may still go visit one before I leave, but thus far a big waste of money.

I was so sexually frustrated I hit Soi 6 on the way back and had some random encounter that was good, but not release. Names of the girl and bar are gone, but it was 300/1000.

Later that night I decided to stay up late and get serious with a disco pickup. I was successful! She was middle aged, but still with a nice face and figure and I forgot her name. Previously in my disco attempts, I would just around and see if a lady would smile at me before doing anything, but this time I actually went after her to try to get HER attention. I will spare the details as I don't remember all the details, but see her and said Hello, then when she smiled I asked her where she was from, and it sort of grew from there. I bought her a drink, we kind danced a little, then she signaled her like of me by getting more intimated in her touching. I remember her asking if I wanted her to come to my hotel, I said yes, and she said "you know this will cost you, right?" haha. Yes, 2000. She balked when I said 1500, but whatever. She was with a friend who was looking for a guy but was not successful, so we all went to Marine Bar. Never been there. It was huge inside and far less crowded. We sat at the bar for a while and it was fun to see her friend's reactions so some of the guys that approached. She was at least picky. But it was late so we let her to fend for herself. She was probably early 40's, possibly a little younger, with a relative ok body. Nothing was too flappy or drippy. To keep this much briefer than my original telling, the notable things was not that I still couldn't release with her, but that after much effort trying, she allowed me to go bare back. What led to this is that she was upset with herself that she couldn't make me come. She was doing BBBJ and manual, and I am just going numb, but she keeps me hard and we are facing each other. I figure I will get between her legs and rub on her belly – a few times that has worked, but I never tired it in Thailand. She knows I am bare now, but then I get the bright idea and I can try to enter her, if only for a few seconds, then I will say "oops" and run and take a shower. Well, I am on top between her legs kissing her breasts and I moved up and start rubbing her moist entrance with my thing and she lets me slide on inside. And the difference in feeling was night and day. As I enter her all the way I let out a moan like I have never done. Night and day difference. Sooooo much better bare. Incredible. I managed to stop and say, "oops, I am inside you. " But she says it is ok. I ask if she is ok (clean) and she say she is. Well, ok. But I need to be fast to minimize the risk, and it was fast. I had been totally unable to come with 3 women that day wearing the most advanced condoms made, but going bare I was coming in under 30 seconds. Wow. Note the reason I am not posting the woman's name is not because I forgot (though I have), but I don't want to identify anyone I have gone bare with. I would not want others to contact them with the intent to do the same or, worse, to force them to do the same. We had a level of trust and took the chance.

So, a new record – four women in a single day. It would all have been come-less were it not for my possibly taking a stupid risk. So sorry about the loss of data. I really do like to keep detailed records that I can go back to reference, and I am not computer illiterate and am fairly knowledgeable of Word, so I did something really stupid.

[QUOTE=Tummen;1961988]I also have had problems with finishing and keeping a hard on. I always thought it was due to getting older. Now I know it was because of Adrenal Fatique. My body was trying to keep balance by lowering other body functions and reproduction have then a low priority so it was shut off.

This happened slowly over say four-five years so I never really noticed it since it was no dramatic change. But when completely shut off I did understand something was very wrong. My testosterone also took a nosedive.

But shortly after I was diagnosed and started with medication and in just a couple of days I started get back the sensation and could feel a dramatic change when having sex.

It has now been a year and I am back in business and enjoying sex fully again.

Looking back I understand that a key question the doctor had was if I was experiencing morning wood, I then realized it had been some years since last time.

So maybe a checkup when you get home would be a good idea?[/QUOTE]Thank your sharing, and I am glad you are doing better.

But I do not suffer from wood issues. I have a sensitivity issue with condoms. As my latest report shows, and please no comments on my wisdom of doing what I did, after literally hours of intercourse that day with no luck, when I went bareback I was shooting in 30 seconds. The change of feeings between covered and uncovered, even with the most modern of condoms, was incredible. The initial penetration covered is soso. Bare, I was moaning with pleasure. Difference was huge to me. Why the huge difference I do not understand. I have tried a number of condoms and all are horrible to simply bad. I know even 15 years ago I could come daily with the condoms of the day, so why I am having problems now I do not know.

[QUOTE=DCups;1961232]Yes, yes and yes. You can send me a check for $75..[/QUOTE]DCups,

Thanks!

All others who gave me reply: Thanks a lot!

Please send contact details for the check.

And yes I will report.

I am confident now Baraquda is a good choice and I will take it from there. Pattaya first timer haha.

Any other advice feel free and let me know.

T.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1962536]Day 4 (Thursday).

One Tinder girl, who is young a cute with a spinner body, has indicated she wants to meet see. She is a cashier at Tesco Lotus. At 10 AM we arranged a meeting that I understood to mean at noon today, but it is exactly noon as I write this and I have not heard from her. I am just now writing to her. I ask about the 12:00 meeting and she doesn't understand, but then says she wants to still see me today. I say another time is fine, she says ok, I tell her to decide, she doesn't understand. I ask if she wants to come to me, she asks where, I say my hotel and she responds with "ah". Then I hear nothing. I assume that perhaps I misunderstood in that she was not really a FL girl, and the "ah" was her acknowledgement that I was not seeking friendship! But a later she asks if I want a massage and includes some smiley faces. I say that would be nice, she says yes, I ask when, she asks when do I want, I say now is fine, she confirms now, I say yes, she says she can, I tell her my room number after previously telling her my hotel, then she again asks what hotel then how much I will give her for short time, I say 800, she confirms that is ST, I say yes but maybe LT later, she says ok, then I ask when she will be here, and she (sheesh) again asks when I want, I say now, she ask says 30 minutes, I say ok, then a few minutes later asks if she can leave now. Yep. I am here.

From the tender info and pictures, she is cute with braces, 24 and looks younger, with the classic Asian spinner body. This is real time reporting folks! Wish me luck on my first Tender hookup! She is down stairs and on her way up, right on schedule! Wansika is her Tinder name.

Well..major technical goof. I had several days of following posts written, but now on the following Monday afternoon, several days later, it is all gone! It was all there Sunday and I was about to post, but I changed hotels and now it is gone. No back up beyond the previous paragraph. I have no idea what happened. There is hours of lost reporting, and I have forgotten so many details. But, sigh, I have gone back and recreated what I can. It will pick up live again on Day 7.

OK, Wansika was a little weird. She kind of takes control, but is kind of funny too. Cute enough face, skinny, dark body and an ok provider. Sheeh, I have forgotten so much. She was pretty rushed in and out in 30 minutes or less, and I don't think I came with her, I just gave up. She is on ok provider, but most of the BR FL girls I have been with gave a better performance. See her if you want, but nothing special.

After she left, I worked on this report (obviously in vain), then I believe I headed to Soi 6 later. While in route, it struck me that I wanted to visit a body rub place, so I went up to Honey 2. I went inside and was not impressed. Lots of girls but most overweight. So I went back down to Sabai Dee (she two places are by the Siam at Siam hotel of 2nd street. Not all that much better, but I selected one and I wish I could remember her number as she would be one to avoid. I was trying to pick out a pretty girl, as slender as possible and with a pretty face, and with a big rack. I thought I chose the best, but later found she wore a push up bra that made her look bigger and firmer than she was. She was pleasant, but quite mechanical. First came the body slide, which was fun but too short. Then the bath. It was ok, but a lot of water wasted for just a quick bath. Then to bed, with a too-quick start to a too quick CBJ. Then quickly she climbed on in cow girl. Well, no way was I going to come! To her credit she tried, and even did a BBBJ, concerned I would be upset and would report her I guess. We were to have had 90 minutes. I wasn't there even an hour. The whole concept of a body slide with a sexy girl is wonderful. You see the Japanese porn videos and you long for the experience. This is my second body slide and neither one makes me want to do another. I may still go visit one before I leave, but thus far a big waste of money.

I was so sexually frustrated I hit Soi 6 on the way back and had some random encounter that was good, but not release. Names of the girl and bar are gone, but it was 300/1000.

Later that night I decided to stay up late and get serious with a disco pickup. I was successful! She was middle aged, but still with a nice face and figure and I forgot her name. Previously in my disco attempts, I would just around and see if a lady would smile at me before doing anything, but this time I actually went after her to try to get HER attention. I will spare the details as I don't remember all the details, but see her and said Hello, then when she smiled I asked her where she was from, and it sort of grew from there. I bought her a drink, we kind danced a little, then she signaled her like of me by getting more intimated in her touching. I remember her asking if I wanted her to come to my hotel, I said yes, and she said "you know this will cost you, right?" haha. Yes, 2000. She balked when I said 1500, but whatever. She was with a friend who was looking for a guy but was not successful, so we all went to Marine Bar. Never been there. It was huge inside and far less crowded. We sat at the bar for a while and it was fun to see her friend's reactions so some of the guys that approached. She was at least picky. But it was late so we let her to fend for herself. She was probably early 40's, possibly a little younger, with a relative ok body. Nothing was too flappy or drippy. To keep this much briefer than my original telling, the notable things was not that I still couldn't release with her, but that after much effort trying, she allowed me to go bare back. What led to this is that she was upset with herself that she couldn't make me come. She was doing BBBJ and manual, and I am just going numb, but she keeps me hard and we are facing each other. I figure I will get between her legs and rub on her belly a few times that has worked, but I never tired it in Thailand. She knows I am bare now, but then I get the bright idea and I can try to enter her, if only for a few seconds, then I will say "oops" and run and take a shower. Well, I am on top between her legs kissing her breasts and I moved up and start rubbing her moist entrance with my thing and she lets me slide on inside. And the difference in feeling was night and day. As I enter her all the way I let out a moan like I have never done. Night and day difference. Sooooo much better bare. Incredible. I managed to stop and say, "oops, I am inside you. " But she says it is ok. I ask if she is ok (clean) and she say she is. Well, ok. But I need to be fast to minimize the risk, and it was fast. I had been totally unable to come with 3 women that day wearing the most advanced condoms made, but going bare I was coming in under 30 seconds. Wow. Note the reason I am not posting the woman's name is not because I forgot (though I have), but I don't want to identify anyone I have gone bare with. I would not want others to contact them with the intent to do the same or, worse, to force them to do the same. We had a level of trust and took the chance.

So, a new record four women in a single day. It would all have been come-less were it not for my possibly taking a stupid risk. So sorry about the loss of data. I really do like to keep detailed records that I can go back to reference, and I am not computer illiterate and am fairly knowledgeable of Word, so I did something really stupid.[/QUOTE]Truth be told half or better of all types of Thai ładies will go without if you spend some time warming them up. This would be less likely with Soapies and higher end GoGos but the rest more so.

Anybody willing to bare back is freaking crazy.

I broke a condom in a girl and was in her for less than 2 seconds. I was scared for six months until I finally got tested and came back clean.

I am scared out of my mind of that stuff.

Don't do it, not even once!

Day 5 – Friday.

I went to Soi 6 and saw Tuk again, at the My Friend You BJ bar. Tuk was my first girl of this trip and was a wild one. For the BJ, she was wild but only took her top off, but as she appeared to have one tight little body, plus she was so crazy, I wanted to experience FS with her. Well, as I walked by we noticed each other at about the same time, so I went over. Now last time, it was 300 BF plus 700 for her, with the understanding that FS would be 300 and 1000. But all she charged me was 1000 for FS. We went upstairs and she was again crazy. She loves giving head, and that is what the majority of our time was spent doing. She is incredible. She was sluping away for 10 to 15 minutes before a condom went on. And she was just as crazy with FS and, when I had my releasing problems, she was all too happy to go back to slurping and doing anything else that might get me off. Nothing worked, but I tipped her extra for trying even harder than most. Guys, go see Tuk and even if you have to pay 300 more for FS, it is far more comfortable upstairs in a bed, and you will get the same slurping BJ. She earns my Best Buy girl of the trip.

In the late afternoon I picked up a nice, but sexy looking BR freelance girl. She has bleached hair, a bit curvy in that she is not a spinner – she has a woman's figure, and her bleached hair gives her a wild look. She wore short blue jean shorts, which had bleached stripes. I have seen her since and she has been wearing the same outfit. She is really a nice girl and she gave a nice BBBJ and when I was again unable to come, she tried more oral and manual to try. Sometimes we think these girls are cold and hardened, but I have found most that I have met to be somewhat caring at least. I forgot her name, and she wanted 800. Good girl.

I took a nap and that night went to WS. Due to my success with a disco, and liking of the less crowded Marine bar, I went there around midnight. I had several pages written about what happened in full details, but I will have to condense everything down to the basics. I went in with a plan, choosing what I thought would be a strategic location as there were still a number of empty tables, and I lucked out. Let me note that just because you claim an empty table that others won't claim their share of it when it gets crowded. As the place got busier, several girls came over and sat their glasses down. On either side of me, girls were claiming parts of the tables. This was getting interesting. I got a few looks of acknowledgements, then a cutie sets at a table near mine, and she smiles at me. A chubby girl sets at my table and chats with me a bit, which is actually helpful as it gets me engaged, and the others girls see this and that possibly shows I am open and friendly. A girl at a table to the other side sides down. Wow, she is decent looking and she has some large knockers. But I have zeroed on a girl to the right who had smiled at me. Older, yet still with a decent figure, I think she could be fun. I plot to ask her if I can buy her another beer as I see her bottle is nearly used. Then a dude comes by and they talk for a while. I am too late. Then the big boobed girl to the left has a dude talking to her. Yikes. I blew it. But no, the dude talking to the older girl leaves, so without wasting time I lean over the table, past the fat chick, tap the girl on her shoulder, and ask if I can buy her another drink. She is surprised, but smiles and says yes. I grab a server and get the drink ordered. Later, after the drink is ordered, she girl looks back, we toast, and then she motions me to come over. I do. But bummer, the music in there in insanely loud, plus she has a not so sexy voice and the English is not good, but we are not her for intellectual conversation. A little later her friend's drink is about finished, so realizing that Thai women like their men to make them look good to their friends, I offer to buy the friend a drink. Hmm, this is working as she now starts to touch me a little more intimately. And, no, I don't remember her name. Bummer. Another friend joins us a while later, and I buy that friend a drink too. I am in now. She is really holding me and we gyrate to the music and I know she is going home with me. She does, and she surprises me by riding me to the hotel on her motor bike. Cool.

Her body is ok. She has braces on her teeth and is probably somewhere around 40. She has a little bit of a belly but still nicely figured with full breasts with a little sagging, but overall for a mature lady, not bad. Looked at from behind, hot actually. But that voice, so hard to understand. I really don't remember too much of the encounter back at the hotel. She gave a nice BBBJ and a near GFE in many ways, but I couldn't get off with her. Well, I came yesterday, so this was expected using a condom. She was nice enough and she spent the night, but had to leave the next morning, around 9, to go work with her mother. Overall, nice girl but not sure I would want to see her again.

Summary: Soi 6 girl with bareback finish and standard 300/1000; BR girl for 800 and Marine Bar disco pickup for 2000.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1962761]Truth be told half or better of all types of Thai ładies will go without if you spend some time warming them up. This would be less likely with Soapies and higher end GoGos but the rest more so.[/QUOTE]I am not really seeking out bareback. I would be too afraid to actively seek a girl to do it. If she has something, while I think most would not volunteer to do it, if the guy is encouraging them and offering extra money, then why not? If you ask for it, you take the risk. Of course, a girls volunteering it may not know they have something, so there is always a risk. I washed well quickly afterwards, but stuff can still happen.

But, yes, it is available and you might be able to talk a girl into doing it by pretending to have issues like mine, but out of dozens and dozens of girls now, only 2 have volunteered to do it to help me with my problem. I hope they are indeed clean, but especially if you are offering money to get it, you are taking a huge risk. A poor girl with herpes who is offered a few hundred baht to go bare with a guy who will leave in a few days. Well, he knows the risks.

And I don't know that if I did pick up something I will let you guys know! Haha Right now, the Johnson is a little sore overall, but that is due to all the pounding I am taking by the 2 to 4 girls a day who are trying to get me to come manually!

Day 6 –Saturday.

I am still cloudy about some things that happened. Still cursing myself over losing all the reports I wrote before. After today things should returning to normal. But pretty sure I started the day off with a Soi 6 girl, but no names.

In the late afternoon I picked up a really cute BR freelance girl. She is classy looking, tall with long hair, cute face and smile. Kind of looks like a really cute college student. She operates close to Soi 13, and her name escapes me. But she gave a really good time. Great BBBJ and she really tried hard to please. I could consider seeing her again for 800. My original report had some good details, but oh well. I saw her Sunday night as I was walking home and she recognized me, but I didn't her until I had passed. I don't remember much of the details, but she was delightful. I remember that. I would consider seeing her again, but I wish I could remember her name. Sorry that this helps absolutely no one, other than that there are some quality girls on BR.

Later, I thought of recreating my success at Marine, but even at 1 AM it was dead. Strange, as I-Bar and Red Car where packed. I went to Pheromone's to see #2, but I didn't find her. But #86 looked pretty good. Nice, more mature figure with nice boobs and pretty smile. Not the hottest, but she had that girl next door. Did I mention she had some nice boobs? I asked the manasan to bring her over. She was pleasant but with some English problems, and was friendly and liked to laugh. That is often a good sign. I knew from a few days earlier the BF here was 1500 and the lady 2000ST. I paid the bill and we left. She was now dressed rather plainly, long white pants, a white shirt and NY baseball hat that accentuated the notion she was a girl next door. She said she had a motor bike, so we went to the back lot, then she asked if I was hungry. Not really, but she obviously was so we ate at this place there behind WS. It was pretty good and reasonably priced. Then off we went. Again, her English was difficult, and she seemed a little wacky, or maybe it was just our weak communications. She kept smiling and telling me she liked me. At the hotel, she wanted her money and I said, no, not until we are done, but I will show it to you. I showed her 2000. She said no, 3000, and we entered a broken discussion, but I was thinking ST and she was planning to spend the night and was expecting LT. It was difficult to get this simple misunderstanding resolved. I don't nnow that I was looking for LT, but whatever. She is cute so I can stand to have her share my bed.

We start some light kissing then she asks if I have a condom and before I am even half hard, she starts to slip it on. No, I say, wait a while. She waits maybe 5 seconds, then uses her mouth to slide it on. Oral is over and done quickly then while still semi-erect, she climbs on. I am not really happy here and things just went downhill from there. I stop the action. She acts like she doesn't really understand. She laid next to me still stroking, but my desire is destroyed and a little later I remove the condom from my limp Johnson and go take a shower. She looks at me with no understanding. I halfway expect her to ask if she can leave, but she doesn't, and as I get in bed and pull up the covers, she slides next to me, again saying she likes me, and wants my Line ID. I give it to her, then we both get back in bed and go to sleep. I really do think she doesn't understand I am upset at her rushing me, and doesn't understand why I stopped things so soon.

Next morning, it is Sunday morning and my stay at the Dynasty Inn is coming to a close. I need to pack, check out, and check in at the Sandy Spring. She had said that she would stay until 10 PM, but we didn't wake up until after 10, and she was still here with me. I don't know that she understood I was not happy with the sex, but even lying in bed half naked that morning, she did not make any attempt to get things going. I was rubbing her, playing with those beasts, but still nothing from her back, but she is saying she likes me and I think she wants to do things with me. I sort of consider it, but dismiss and the language barrier is too great. I now really believe she just didn't understand and was confused at me, but I get stubborn at times.

She offered to drive me down to the hotel on her bike, which I agreed. I was first going to make sure all was fine there before leaving the Dynasty. All was fine and I made the switch at about 11:30. She rode off, hoping we could see each other again. I later later received a Line message asking if I wanted her to come back after she got off work. Well, not for 3000! I replied that I was not happy with the sex, but that I did like her and if she wanted to come by as a friend for no money, then sure, but no sex, at least not yet. I never heard back from her. She is a nice girl, but maybe our expectations were different. I really don't think she tried to take advantage of me in any way. When we woke up, she stayed right there in bed with me, topless, letting me play with her, though no returning much affection, but saying she liked me. I don't know. I won't not recommend her, but if you speak Thai I think she might be pleasant for you, you may indeed have a better experience. My stubbornness got in the way, and had I handled things a little different I might have been quite happy.

Summary for the day: Random Soi 6 girl; Random BR FL girl for 800; #86 from Pheromone's for 1500/3000.

Day 7 - Sunday.

I went up to Soi 6 mid-afternoon. The pickings were not especially great. I walked all the way down, then all the way back, embarrassed by all the exposure to the girls who may be getting pathetic seeing me so often. On the way back I did stop to talk to two who at first glance looked promising, but after getting up close I decided to pass. I was coming back around the start a third pass when I saw her. Spinner body with awesome legs. There was actually some shape to them, like she was a runner. Face was so so, but I liked her smile sufficiently enough that I went over. I almost passed her by as the English was not so good, but I stuck it out and am glad I did.

We talked and after I bought her a drink she warmed up to me and started kissing and touching me in the bar. She almost seemed surprised when the manasan came over and asked if I wanted her and I said yes. Standard 300/1000. Up we went, and this is when the typical became atypical. We undressed, but when I was done, she still sitting, and I went over to sit next to her. She kissed me, and that escalated to touching and groping and, well, I just push her back on the bed and sparks started flying. No, no shower. Just passion. Not really sure why, as I now can tell she was a mommie by a long see section scar. Her breasts were deflated and ugly, actually, but I overlooked that. I was touching her all over and she was DFKing me. I slowly moved my hand down and before long was rubbing her clit, and she was getting more passionate. I found her hole and was surprised at how tight it was. It really clamped down on just a single finger that I inserted. She is moaning in real, unfaked pleasure. No doubt. She is dripping wet. I am rubbing her G spot. She lets me do this for many minutes. Eventually, she asks me to mount her, so I guess no BJ, but that is ok. I put on my Anoi and dig in. She feels so tight. I am wondering if she might be the one to get me off. It has been too long. We try. Different positions and I am alternating between pounding her and being gentle and everything in between. She is still moaning and positioning herself where it feels best for her, and when she is on top she is grinds hard. But nothing. I can't come. I pull off and lay next to her. She keeps rubbing me, trying to keep me hard, which is difficult with the condom on. I finally remove the condom, lying next to her, facing her. She keeps rubbing and gets me back fully hard. I am kissing her, in close. She is moving a bit, repositiong my Johnson between my legs and, wait, what is she doing? I figure it out in wondrous sensations as she impales me. I am bare in a woman yet again and the feelings are indescribable. Rather than stop and pull or ask questions, I just concentrate on coming so I can get to the shower. Sure enough just like two days before, in 30 seconds I empty myself deep inside her. I then quickly pull out and run to the shower. OMG. I am still having trouble believing that even my super thin condoms hide so many of the feelings. I mean, the difference of bare sex compared with the ordinary condom is like seeing the most beautiful sunset on an old 12" NTSC portable TV using rabbit ears to get a station 50 miles away. My thin condoms are like watching it on a 25" TV using a deep fringe antenna, much better but still missing so much of the beauty. Of course, I have to be concerned about BB sex, but my general belief that most girls don't volunteer it if they know they are diseased. Now, I could again enter into a moral discussion here, about the risks and all of that, but I know all of that so please let's not have that discussion here. I am reporting what happened, and it happened, and I am wondering why, after having several dozen bar girls before, why have two gone bare with me in as many days? Random odds, I suppose. But anywasy, for some reason, we really hit it off, and when she failed to get me off, whatever trust she developed led her to do it. So I don't think this happens often. And I didn't seek it out, so time will tell how stupid I was to not sense what she was doing and stop it, or me failing to pull out as soon as I knew what she was doing.

Overall, this was a GFE. I tipped her 300 to her great surprise. I wonder if should have done that, as I should not reward her for giving BBFS, but I believe this was a special situation for her and that she would not do it were she not clean. Did I hear some snickering out there? Yeah, even I don't fully believe it either.

Afterwards, she stuck close to me, walking me all the way to the outside, which most girls don't. So she felt something towards me. Now I need to decide if I am going to try to avoid her. Once a girl opens up like that they can be upset if you "cheat" on them. I can't risk more BB with her, as tempting as full BB session with her would be.

Personal note. I am not giving out her name is that I don't want people going to her bugging her for unprotected sex. But I like her and I want to have her name in my records. So, for me in the future, her name the name of a departed aunt who once lived in Beaumont. The name of bars starts with the first letter of my grandfather, the second is the first letter of the state my parents moved to after I graduated high school, the third is the first letter of my grandcat.

Anyway, I went back to the hotel and I napped that afternoon and did some stuff, then headed out to WS around 9 PM. I continue to get just a few hours sleep each night, but a nap for an hour or two, and waking up from this nap is difficult, but it has to be done. I had not really planned what I was going to do. I was open for a FL girl, so I walked all the way down to WS on BR from Soi 13. There were some good girls out, but nothing that made me stop. I did a lot of walking around WS and checked the discos (Marine Bar was still bare, yet WS is packed). Red Car is packed. I consider trying to find someone there, but I am tired. I go back to Runway, which I reported has some really cute girls. I settle for one I like, named Oil. I don't remember her number, but she has a nice body and legs, super cute face and short, thick hair. The mamasan had come over to see if I liked anyone and I told her yes and who it was, and she got the girl to come over. I was not sure if she found me acceptable as she looks pretty young, and when the mamasan asked if I would like the girl, I say yes if the girl likes me. The mamasan laughs and says if I have the money she will like me, haha. She is steep at 2500, and I pause a good long while, but break down and agree. Sorry guys. That is too much but it was late and I was have been faced with going to another bar and being up another half hour or longer, so I bit the bullet.

She had a motor bike and she drove us to the hotel. We go over to the front desk and she finds she doesn't have her ID. She is going to have to leave to go get it. It will only take her 5 minutes. Um. But she hands me her purse, takes out her phone and some cash, and rushes out to find a motor bike driver. And ten minutes later she is back. Upstairs we go, showers taken, and in bed we get. I am thinking a girl like this will be cold, but she starts into some serious kissing and DFK. I will note her breasts are disappointing. Flat and obviously suckled on by a hunger baby. She has no resistance as I probe her hole, and I am shocked to find it so loose! I can easily inserted two fingers without stretching! Hmmm, not sure now this girl is going to feel. She is getting passionate and very wet, so she is certainly enjoying things. Some of the girls really do like having sex with strangers and can get off, as she was. But she wanted a condom for BJ. The lube on these has to be nasty and she tried to wipe of the lube as best she could, and before long she was climbing on top. Like I feared, there was hardly any feeling. She was so loose, I felt sorry. Such a pretty girl. I was thinking that for her to feel anything she probably needed a hung stud. Poor guy with a normal or smaller dick, as he won't feel much. In certain positions I could get some feeling, but I knew quickly I was not going to come with this girl. Very pretty, smoking hot body (other than breasts and internal) and face with soft brown hair. I finally gave up and she continued to try. We were tired and she rested on the stomach. I gave her a massage, which was a surprise to her and was welcomed. I then went to take a shower, then she got up, asking what time it was. I don't remember, but it was later than she though so she started rushing to leave. I was promised 2 hours, and I certainly got that. She did not rush her goodbye, so I think she liked me and appreciated the time. But no way can I recommend her for guys who are not pretty big. What a shame as she is a nice girl.

Summary: GFE Soi 6 girl gives bare back FS for 300/1000 plus I left a big tip. Pheromone's girl that night for 1000/2500, but with a hole to house an aircraft carrier.

Day 8 - Monday.

Ok, this is the day I discovered I had lost the last several day's worth of reports. What a bummer. No autorecovery, so I must have done something strange. Sigh. Oh well, no use dwelling on the possibilities now. I am computer literate and can't find the lost files anywhere on the drive, so I did something done and unrecoverable.

Anyway, I woke up early for some reason, like at 7:30. Bummer. Went to breakfast then back to my hotel to rewrite some of what was lost. Headed out for Soi 6 at about 2 PM. I entered on the alley just south of Soi 6 to the girl who did me bare in a GFE. I could tell she really liked me a bit too much and I wanted to avoid her and potentially do it again. Well, duh, I didn't go down far enough and she sees me. I am not heartless to just walk by, so I go over and consider simply buying her a drink. Well, yeah, that worked out great as temptation won and I up stairs with her. There was not the passion this time, at least for me, but she was having a BFE I think. No faking at all. It wasn't too much different that the first time, except for the ending. It was all covered. When I was exhausted and we were laying down together and she was rubbing me, I didn't remove the cover, though several times she still pulled me in, perhaps as much to give me pleasure as her. I noted to myself how much tighter this girl was than Oil. Anyway, it was clear she likes me, holding on to me after we had gone down stairs, to sit and hang together a little while longer. She wants me to come back, and seemed concerned that when I left her I might go down the street to another girl. Well. Sigh.

I did go down the street and at Kiss Kool, a girl who called out to me yesterday and I had said "maybe tomorrow" as I walked but, saw me and reminded me of that half-promise. I did not find her all that attractive, but I went over and I would buy her a drink then, and she took me inside. She claimed she knew me from last May, saying her name was Pawn. Hmmmm. I didn't really find her familiar, but I started to remember the bar and her name. She said I was with her 3 times. No way. When she said I came each time, well haha, absolutely no way! I have had not girl in Pattaya more than twice yet. I can believe that possibly I was with her, but I have no recollection of what we may have done. She was really trying to get me to BF her, continuing to touch me all over and talked about me coming in her mouth, but she was no spinner and I didn't find her all that attractive. I think she was making things up, so I checked the archives. I find that I did indeed I visit her (though her name is erroneous Paula there) and enjoyed her, saying she was pretty and slender. Well not anymore. She has gained some poundage and was covered with makeup. I guess her performance was a little rushed but acceptable back then, but this time around I had not been giving her any look at all. I will continue to avoid her.

On my way back I was amazed to see throngs of people on BR with many sellers of flowers or things made of flowers. I went to the hotel and grabbed my camera and went back out for pictures, learning this was the Loy Krathong festival. What I was seeing were thousands of handmade Krahongs being made and sold, which are little boats made of flowers and plants, with a candle and incense. Coming at the night of the full moon in November, the launching of these little boats symbolizes the flying away of misfortune of the past as the current or tide floats them away, and asking for good fortune for the future. Starting a sun set at well into the wee hours of the morning, you could see this little things slowly washing out, though in the ocean, the effect is different than the traditional rivers, where they would actually flow out of view.

I took a nap after that and set our for WS around 9 PM I guess. It was jammed. I have been seeing more Chinese, but there were a lot of normal Thai's out tonight. I visited a few clubs, some packed as well and there were several that interested me, but I chose no one. I ate dinner at the NY Diner then decided to check out the FL scene on BR, but it was also jammed with those celebrating Loy Krathong. I was tired, still sleeping on 4 or 5 hours a night, plus maybe an hour or two of napping, and considered calling it a night. But standing in my room, I told myself I have only 3 more nights here after this, and who knows if I will be back here again, so dang it man, get out of here and go get some!

I went to Soi 6. I properly avoided the girl who did me bare, and stopped when I saw a cute spinner at some random bar. Shared drinks but it was by now 12:30 AM and she said she was getting off at 1 AM, when the place closed to celebrate Loy Krathong. Just wasted a lady drink. Oh well, so I left and headed back to WS. It was still jammed. I went inside Red Car and it was packed. The girl I picked up at Marine Bar was there. We talked briefly, which was difficult due to her English (or my Thai) and it being so loud. I gracefully exited and went to Marine. It was a little busy, so I set up at a table to try out what worked the last time. Well, the girl from Red Card and her friend went there as well as sat down next to me. Awkward. She is still pretty, but been there, done that. I did contemplate asking her to go with me so I would be with someone that night, but I discarded that idea. Another friend of hers came over and she was chatting with her, looking away from me, so I took the distraction to bolt. I am such a terrible person. Sigh. I just decided to go home via WS. The crowds were dying, but just before Soi 13 I noticed a very sex women. I passed her by, but then turned back to go say Hello,. She was quite attractive and negations went quick. But as we were walking away, a cop I hadn't notice was just passing by and he said something. Yikes! He just witnessed a pickup! She said something back to him and we kept walking and that was the end of the matter, fortunately. But even if he heard, the conversation was like "Hi, how are you, would you like to go with me?" "I will for 800 baht. " "ok. ".

Back at the hotel, it became evident she was worth the price. Beautiful body. Great skin, beautiful face, see boobs that, if they were enhanced, was a perfect job as they were firm and of a perfect shape. She let me bask in her beauty for a while. FIV revealed a super tight snatch that was wet. This girl knew she was hot and it showed, and it showed that she enjoyed the lust she produced. I had momentary thoughts she might be a LB, but the internal probing revealed a prefect vag, and the size of her nipples proved this was 100% woman. Entering her was awesome. Well, as awesome as it can be with a condom. Might I come with her? It has been 2 days now. I am charged. I am ready to let lose. After a few positions I am ready. I get right to the point of no return, but I [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url] out from the activity and lose it. Argh again! Why? In frustration I remove the Aoni condom and replace it with the Sagami, both. 01 condoms. I don't notice much difference, but I get close again before failing. Sigh. Bare back in her and it would have been over in 10 seconds. Oh well. She was sympathetic, but what can you do? She left, saying she was going home. I shower and go to bed.

Tomorrow? I guess the same routine. I have not gone to Kenaree (sp), and probably won't as I missed the BBQ. I will probably head to Soi 6 this afternoon, but I might stop and tour Soi 7 again. I haven't been there the last few trips. I may get my hair cut and visit the outlet mall across the street. When I first arrived last week the weather was nice, but now it is hot and humid. But to summarize today, I revisited the girl who did me bare, who didn'the redo me bare, for more passio for 300/1000. And I did a beautiful BR girl for 800. While accommodating, she knows she is hot and pretty much just me bask in her beauty while watching me fail as a man.

Summary: Random Soi 6 girl for 300/1000 and beautiful BR FL girl for 800.

Guys, sorry for throwing all these reports at you at once, but I want to get them out. I am almost caught up finally.

[QUOTE=FLHAWK]
Of course, I have to be concerned about BB sex, but my general belief that most girls don't volunteer it if they know they are diseased.
[/QUOTE]Oh, I don't think that is the reason they don't volunteer it at all. Far more likely is they don't bring it up because you aren't asking them for it despite it appearing to be the obvious solution in your case. They are probably assuming wearing a condom with them is too high a priority for you to even hint at a desire to go without one. Are YOU diseased? Do you think THEY are diseased? They have no idea what the reason is you are not broaching the subject when you hit a wall of resistance from cumming and possibly going BB would be the next logical topic of discussion. And no matter how fluent in your language they might be they are not prepared to launch into a detailed conversation about this topic.

I have no doubt that the number of ladies willing to go BB with you at a time of difficulty as you described, or simply because you want it that way regardless of any difficulty, would be much much higher than the number volunteering it on their own (I recall you said only 2 out of a couple of dozen, right?) if you were the one to bring it up first. Especially if your bringing it up is accompanied by an offer to sweeten the baht deal a little more to help lesson any concerns she might have about it.

There is also the ever present matter of "face" involved in this. If she brings up the subject first you might think she offers BBFS to every customer. And she would rather watch you writhe in agony and go without cumming than risk that.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1960993]My concern with such situations is not that I am worried about any scams, but more that I simply may not be compatible with her for the duration of the trip.

It is easy to be infatuated with a profile and picture of a beautiful woman online. But let's say you meet her and everything seems to check out. But you are now stuck with her for the remainder of the trip. What if something happens, or you realize that you really aren't that much into her. Now you have to drag her around everywhere or go your separate ways. Can be very inconvenient.

You can always meet a girl in Thailand first and if you have chemistry then take her on trips. I am not saying not to do what you are doing, but just something to keep in mind.

Just curious what your goal is here. Are you looking for relatively inexpensive companionship in terms of not having to worry about barfines and the girl's fee? A potentially more serious relationship partner?[/QUOTE]You were so right. It was a disaster. Totally a opposite personality, I can't stand that for an hour. Vice suggestions. I was looking not be alone. I was travelling alone which I really don't like. BTW it's not inexpensive at all. She was Very demanding buy this buy that.

Day 9 – Tuesday.

Woke up and too early and went to my new favorite place for breakfast. The Green Bottle Indian Restaurant is a couple blocks north on Soi 13 on the east side, which has a breakfast buffet for 130 baht, which is 10 baht less that the regular breakfast I was getting at Bay Watch. For 10 baht less, I get the same thing, but more. I am sure there are other equally, or better, values, but this place is decent.

After breakfast, I worked on reports and other stuff, then finally headed out to Soi 6 a little after 2 PM. I admit going to Soi 6 everyday is getting a little boring, but I remind myself that after today, I will only have two days left. Strange that at the end of a visit you get bored with having to face hundreds of girls who want to have sex with you, but when you are packing to leave, you find yourself wondering when you will be able to return!

Arriving at Soi 6, I thought I need to avoid the girl who did me bare, so I consider going down, what, Soi 6/1 for a ways, then cross back over when I was passed her bar. But doing this one has to be careful as LB's hang back there and will often come out and harass you. But I don't, thinking I need to be a man, so head on down Soi 6, and she spots me. She is actually dressed up a bit. She does not look like a bar girl at all. Is she dressing like this for me? She happily greats me, but I say I will just buy her a drink, but she is going all out to entice me in and, yeah, I break down and go up with her. There is something to say about being with someone you know, and I am certainly getting to know her. Well, we can barely communicate and having hardly anything to talk about, but. I am tired and tell her so, but up in the room she gets me going and again, I can tell she is getting off on it after the mounts me. But I go a tad limp after a while. I lay by her side and she is rubbing me. After I while I remove the condom and she asks why. I say because I can't feel anything with it. I did not exactly remove it hoping she would do what she did the first time – give me bareback – but simply so that it would feel better if she was going to rub me. I would have been ok ending it all then. With the cover gone, she says it is no good, meaning not using a condom is no good. I agreed with her. She starts rubbing me again and manages to bring me back to life. Then she starts to maneuver me back on top of her between her legs. Hmmmmm Yes, she wants me back inside her bare. Well, ok dummy. In I go and. Well, you know. Heaven. And again, within in 30 seconds, I counted, I was coming. Amazing. And again, I rush to the shower to wash. She says she likes me and again wants to see me tomorrow. I hedge a bit, and feel that maybe this will be the last time I will see her at all. She is getting attached and I don't want to deal with a good bye Thursday. IDK. But after the shower she clings on for a while, but by 4 it was time to leave. Another GFE, but yet I know she could never be an actual GF. I feel a little guilty for the feelings she appears to be having, but have to admit a part of that is business.

I head back to the hotel. I am thinking I need a haircut. There looks to be a cute stylist in a shop on Soi 13 close to BR. I consider going in but don't. Maybe later. I write more on the reports and other things, and as it gets dark decide to take a nap. I have 3 nights left here, and I need to make the most of it. I can add that I have been suffering from some allergies over the last few days. Nothing major, just having to blow my nose a bit. The weather upon arrival was great, but it is back to being hot, so maybe the allergies are due to that.

Took a nap and set off for WS at around 10 PM. It was again very crowded. I visited a couple of gogo clubs, and I was contemplating a disco pickup. Around midnight I went to Red Car, which was starting to hop, but the girl I picked up at the Marine Bar pickup was there, and it was a little awkward. You may recall I walked off on her the day before when she wasn't looking. I said Hello, and she was polite back, but I didn't stick around. I went to I-Bar and rather than just walk through and exit, I stuck around and watched, and found that I was getting more comfortable. There was a blond Thai lady playing pool who was hot. Out of my league I think, but if she a FL, all things are possible. I leave with a tentative plan to come back later. I go to Sugar Baby just to see if Bell is there and she is not, but there are full nude shows going on. Several in the shower area and several doing simulated sex. But no one there is really turning me on. I go to Skyfall, and they have a full lineup. I end up sitting by two young spinners and end buying them each a drink. They are fun and I ask the rates. They say the BF is 1500 before 12 PM and 1000 after, and they are 1000 for ST. Less expensive than I thought for there, and they close at 4 AM. OK, I think, it is 12:30 AM or so now, so I have plenty of time. I leave and go to Red Car and it is hopping and I walk around and see some potential targets. But then I feel a poke in the side and I turn around and there is the first woman I picked up there a week ago, who gave me my first bare back, whose name is lost. I wasn't sure if I wanted to get stuck with her, but she went all out to hook me and I thought why not. If she can assure me she is clean then maybe I can get in another bare back, not that I should regardless. So, I ended up taking her home, but she is wasted. Leaving WS she doesn't even want to walk with me. OK. I think if she falls too far behind maybe I will walk off and leave her. But she doesn't. In bed, I would be ok just falling asleep, but she does her duty and pulls the covers back to give a nice, but short, BBBJ. She asks for a condom, which always breaks the mood, and climbs on. She is vocal this time, saying "oh, after a week of no sex that feels so good" and the other standard hooker lines. Has she really been waiting for me and really have no sex since me? Haha, I doubt it. She pumps and grinds on top and perhaps she comes. We roll over in missionary and she tells me to make her come again. Some of it feels ok but I am not really in the mood and end up faking an orgasm and, after a quick shower, fall asleep quickly. She wakes before me around 8 AM, saying it is too hot in the room (saying this will all the covers on top of her), and wants to leave. Fine. I give her 1500, less than she wanted the first time, and she accepted it then left, hungover.

One side story. I was in one of the smaller clubs on WS, don't remember which, and a bunch of Chinese tourists walk in, including women! Yikes, are the tour groups now touring the agogo? Well, room was made for them and they all bought beers. I thought it was funny. No idea how long they stayed as I left soon after.

Bummer that I let this happen. I only have two days left in Pattaya, and I left some hot spinners in Skyfall or some other hotter pickup at either Red Card or I-Bar for her? Who knows. I know, I am too nice. I avoided the Marine Bar girl, but failed to do so with this woman. Won't happen again.

One side story. I was in one of the smaller clubs on WS, don't remember which, and a bunch of Chinese tourists walk in, including women! Yikes, are the tour groups now touring the agogo? Well, room was made for them and they all bought beers. I thought it was funny. No idea how long they stayed as I left soon after.

Summary: A day or repeats. I had one last time, too, so I guess I haven't yet learned my lesson. The Soi 6 girls remains good, but other than her, my experiences have been that the second time is usually not better. But, I had the Soi 6 girl who did me bare for 300/1000, and the original Red Car pickup woman for 1500.

[QUOTE=Transmuter;1961171]Hello,

I want to have a holiday in Pattaya in December and I assume girls may spice up may holidays.

As a first timer (don't blame me if I have overlooked comments in the forum) I have some questions:

1. "Walking Street" in Pattaya South is the action, right? Or other places you would recommend?

2. If I book a five star resort there (eg. , Sofitel close to the Walking Street), are they "girl friendly"? How difficult it may be to bring a part time lover to such compound? Any suggestions where it is easier?

3. Any possibility to find limited time GF in advance to reduce the burden of hunting every night?

T.[/QUOTE]Obviously, you have not done any research at all. I strongly recommend you to go through at least past 100 to 150 pages to get an idea and learn more about the place.

1. Of course, Walking Street could be rightly considered as the most happening place with lot of go go bars, although there are a whole lot of beer bars where girls are aplenty. The whole of Pattaya is filled with girls. There should not be any problem in finding a girl you want ranging from 500 to 5000 Baht or more, depending upon your liking.

2. To the best of my knowledge, almost all hotels are girl friendly in Pattaya. They precisely know why you are there. You can also visit [URL]www.pattayaguestfriendlyhotels.com/[/URL] if you want to make sure about the same. The best thing is to call the hotel and ask them so.

3. Scouting to find girl in advance is quite a laborious process, at least for me and therefore, I have not ventured that.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1962829]Anybody willing to bare back is freaking crazy.

I broke a condom in a girl and was in her for less than 2 seconds. I was scared for six months until I finally got tested and came back clean.

I am scared out of my mind of that stuff.

Don't do it, not even once![/QUOTE]What brand of condom were you using, what condition was it in, how well did it fit, and how adequate was the lubrication. Either natural or synthetic?

I ask, because condoms in theory should rarely break in ordinary usage, if those four factors are right for the job.

I've only had a condom break on me twice. In hindsight, I can see why they did. The first time was when I was just starting to use condoms in the 80's (prior to AIDS, they were seen as silly. Birth control? That's what birth control pills were for.) I didn't really understand how my particular "size" was bigger than average and had always assumed that condoms were supposed to fit tight like a sausage casing. I had bought some "extra thin" off brand line of condoms, stashed it in my wallet, and whipped it out for sex with a tiny Filipino with a tiny, ultra tight twat. Imagine my surprise. And her anger. When I pulled out and found the head of my cock had ripped through the end of the condom. We apparently emerged unscathed by that event. She never called me back to say she was pregnant. But, I became dubious of the "extra thin" condoms, until I recently read that a report on condom testing and quality, which put Lifestyles Ultra Thin at the top of the list for strength and durability. Evidently, thickness of the latex is not the factor in strength that you would think it is.

Next time a condom broke, it had worse consequences than an angry, coked-up Filipino. I had a serious girlfriend, who was not on birth control. We were playing around one evening, she said we needed a condom, because she was likely ovulating. The only thing I had was some gimmick condom I think it was called "Condomints", which was a gag condom in a mint package. That stuff seriously needs to be banned. It wasn't fit for use and if I had half a brain I would have realized that. I blew my nuts inside her but didn't realize it until I pulled out and saw the condom was torn open at the tip. We didn't fret too much at the time, but a few weeks later we were pooling our limited funds together for an abortion.

I've learned a lot about condoms since then most notably that I need a large size. I am not of pornstar proportions, but still too big for the standard condoms. Aside from being safer, and not stretching the condom around my cock, the large sizes also gives a much better sensation. Some guys are smaller, but we now have smaller condoms for a "snugger" fit. I suggest everybody find a condom that fits them well, and a secure way to carry them around (and that is not in your wallet, or anyplace where they can be crushed.).

Using a quality brand of condoms seems to be a factor in safety, as well (duh!) I'm not hearing people complaining about how top-quality condoms have failed them. That's why I carry my own around. For some reason, working girls from Berlin to Medellin use some cheap, old style condoms (the kind they used to send you for free in the mail as a promo), which I'm assuming are dirt cheap when bought in bulk. They tend to be thicker but that is no measure of strength, they just decrease the sensation. This is no surprise in a cheaper brothel, but I was surprised how some educated freelancers I met in Berlin, would scrimp on something as important as condoms (while splurging on outfits and toys). If they seem dubious of the brand, I just explain "It's Japanese, like Honda and Acura. It's the best quality."

And consider carrying small packets of lube around. I found some single-use, paper-thin packets of Pjur, a high-quality German lube on Ebay for about $1 each, including shipping from Europe. Lack of lubrication is a common cause of condom failure, apparently. Not all girls need it, but most of the working girls I've been with lately apply it carefully to their yoni or on the condom. At least those girls understood the importance of that.

Another trick I've learned and this is going to be controversial is to drop a bit of lube in the end of the condom before you roll it on. Now, I didn't say lubricate the inside of the condom, or lubricate your cock. I said put a drop inside on the tip of the condom. Why? This reduces friction between the condom and the business end of your cock, which is where breakage takes place. It doesn't let the condom slide off, though, because its only lubricating the end of your cock, where the condom isn't tight against your skin in the first place or at least the condom should not be. Note that many condoms are actually a bit wider at the end for this reason not just to provide a reservoir for your jizz. Snug along the shaft, but some room at the tip. After all, this is the part of the condom that takes the brunt of the wear. This is what is banging up against her cervix (assuming it is within reach) This trick also renders a better sensation as it allows the condom to slide around the most sensitive part of your cock. That said, I'm sure many guys have had girls massage your cock with some lube, before putting on the condom on your still greasy member. That probably hasn't caused any slippage of the condom in your experience or has it?

Well, just my ideas of safe sex. Anybody have any sources for condom testing and quality of specific products, I would love to learn about them.

Not that I am advocating barebacking, but has anyone ever been able to have an anal without condom?

That must really feel like heaven (to me at least). It is something I would love to experience.

Arrived back in Pattaya at midnight last night. Had a couple hours to kill before my friend got off work so decided to make a rare late night excursion to Soi 6. Below average amount of girls out. A few bars already had no girls outside. Imo talent wasn't great but I did see 3 new ok faces I would do in a pinch. The best was a new girl at Nightwish. I tried talking to her then was accosted by some girls I know there already. So much for going with the new girl. Conclusion still better going to Soi 6 around 6 pm rather than midnight.

Live update. Just walked beach road from central festival to Soi 13/1. Average amount of girls out. Talked to 3 that looked OK but not top looks as I prefer. 700,800, and 1000 were the quoted prices.

Live update. Popped by to check out Pheromone Club on Walking Street which opened last week. Located across from Marine Disco. I think FL already barfined a girl from here. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/PheromoneClubPattaya/[/URL].

Club already has more talent there than most of the clubs on Walking Street. Place was packed with guys and girls. Definitely worth checking out. Major issue. 200 baht for a lady drink. Thinking it's already better than Baccara and Sensations nearby may be a mistake. We'll see how long the guys will continue paying 200 baht per lady drink once the novelty wears off.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1963812]Live update. Just walked beach road from central festival to Soi 13/1. Average amount of girls out. Talked to 3 that looked OK but not top looks as I prefer. 700,800, and 1000 were the quoted prices.[/QUOTE]I have also noted that despite being fewer Farangs around the girls on the Coconut Bar seem to be quoting higher prices than they did during my last visit in June.

The Coconut Bar has been my favorite hunting ground for a playmate and 500 Baht has been the usual short time rate for many years now but with typical Thai logic "less customers so we increase price!

Please note there is NO NEED to pay these inflated prices on Beech Rd. There are still plenty of girls who will be happy to accept 500 Baht, it just means that we have to search a little bit harder.

Enjoy (I am.).

Hotman.

[QUOTE=SeanSharma87;1963235]You were so right. It was a disaster. Totally a opposite personality, I can't stand that for an hour. Vice suggestions. I was looking not be alone. I was travelling alone which I really don't like. BTW it's not inexpensive at all. She was Very demanding buy this buy that.[/QUOTE]This has been predicted hundreds of times on this forum.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1963989]This has been predicted hundreds of times on this forum.[/QUOTE]And that is no exaggeration. But mfs think they know better and must learn for themselves.

Day 10 – Wednesday.

After the disco pickup lady left, I did some stuff to kill time, then headed up to Soi 6. Not wanting to wanting by the girl who did me bare further down, I paid extra attention to the girls near the east entrance, and spied a hot spinner on the south side at Full Moon bar. Name was Deah (not spelling it how she did to me, but I forgot). She is one hottie and I have no idea how I missed her before. I do tend to put preference to the bars on the north side, but that I slowed down and took the time to look to my right. She is slender, with brownish hair down to her shoulders, a full A cup or maybe a small be cup, near flawless skin and if she was all made up rather than wearing the cheap bar outfit, would be a drool maker. She was pleasant, had passable English and laughed at my jokes. Upstairs, she gave me a passable shower then she joined me on the bed. For the downside, she was a bit mechanical. She started right into rubbing the Johnson and starting a BBBJ too soon. I was trying to enjoy her beauty, and while there was no overt rushing, the attitude just wasn't turning on the erection mechanisms. The condom goes on with me not much more than half erect and, even in me inside her, there just isn't enough stimulation to get me to full mast. It is a losing battle. I try, she tries, but it just isn't happening. I am really frustrated as this is one hot girl. I keep telling myself this, that I should be having no problems at all! Sigh. She feels bad, and she allows for us to just lie together and let me touch her, but she really isn't helping me by doing anything but stroking the Johnson with the condom still on. I take it off to regain some sensitivity, get back at little hardess and try with a new condom, but I am done. Over. Sigh.

She gives her regrets, but she is so pretty I can't blame her. This is a hot babe and I should really need is her to just lie there and let me stare at her and I should be hard as a brick. I told her I would see her again, after popping a V or see, and I just might do that. She works the early shift and leaves at 9 PM. We will see.

Went to WS after 9 PM. I actually staked out a position in I-Bar just as it was getting busy, but left after a while. I am a logical man, and sitting or standing around listening to ear splitting music that will cause tinnitus in the future of all those young ears around me, and drinking concoctions that are poisonous is just strange to me. But is reasoning this why I have to go to Thailand to get laid? Haha After I exit, the girl who likes to latch on to me appears. (Our history now goes back a year). Same pattern. She wants me, I ditch her, she gets mad and ignores me, then a bit later she tries to latch onto me again. And latch on to me she does. Sigh. She says she wants to go to my hotel. I say probably not, but she continues to hang on. She is indeed a cute girl with these big, puppy dog eyes makes her hard to say no to or be mean with, so I think what the heck, I can let her tag along if she wants. I go back to I-Bar, her hanging on tight, and we find a table, both get soft drinks, and just sit. I get up to leave and she quickly grabs hold of my hand and I go down to Red Car. Yikes, both of my recent pickups are there, so I leave. I really want to dump this girl, but I look at her and I get all soft inside and think that I could treat her like a GF, and I go to the ice cream place not far from there and we eat ice cream. I do contemplate taking her back, but I remember she insists on staying with you until you leave, and even if I took her back, did her and paid her, I still might have to hurt her yet again. So I look at her and just say that I can't take her back, and I give her some money. She almost looks like she will cry, but I think she says that I gave her a lot of money for only spending an hour with her, and she gives me a hug and leaves, expressing more happiness that I am kind to her the disappointment that I am being mean. I had probably bored her to death, but rather than her walk away with nothing, she stuck it out and got a payday without having to boom an old man for it. Now if come back next year, she may seek a repeat! But really, she seems to be a basically nice girl caught in a bad situation. Thousands, if not millions, are in similar situations and we can't help them all, but I hope she can find happiness.

So after she leaves, I consider going to Skyfall and BFing one the two cuties I met yesterday, but I instead go to Mandarin. Insider were a couple of hot girls. One, upon closer inspection, had some mild stretch marks. Another seemed perfect, #16 I think. She noticed I was looking at her, so she came over after her dance numbers were up. Her name was Pis. Very cute and she said she was 18 and had been there one month. Wow. English not so good, but a soft voice and she mentioned I could BF her. The BF was 1000 and she wanted 2000. Well, for a super pretty teen, not bad, and I said yes. She went back to change and came out in cute dress that showed a nice figure. Back at the hotel, however, found that I had lost my room key! Ugh. No idea where it was lost. I wear cargo shorts and it was in a small pocket with a Velcro seal, and the seal was broken. Great. They let me in, and since I bypassed the electrical system with a magnet, the room was still powered. The next day I inquired about a key and the charge was 800 baht. They actually had to replace the lock. My fault so I willingly paid. I had thus far not understood that you could leave your room key there at the desk when going out. Duh. Should have been doing that all along, and it is something I will now start doing. Those big magnetic keys are not comfortable to carry around.

She took her shower then I followed. She was waiting for me and we started off with some touching. Unlike with Deah earlier, this produced the proper erectile functionality. I was not expecting much skill in the BJ department, but oh my, she was slow and gentle and I was moaning. She kept it up for maybe 5 minutes and I was harder than a brick. She rolled over on her back and revealed two nice boobies. They were a large A, soft and a nice handful with nice nipples. Not firm, and they might be sagging in a few years, but now were nice. Skinny, flat and tight body. I probe her V and she took a while to get wet, but inside super tight. Then time for the blasted condom. Ugh. I used an Okamoto 0. 01 this time. It was tight and took some effort to get it on. It really didn't feel all that good. No no no. Another super cute girl, a teen at that, and I was still having problems. I switched to the Aoni's, but despite this young thing looking sweet, pretty and with a super tight vag, I could get to the edge of coming, but not over. I sweating from the effort. By this time I was losing the erection. I tried to salvage it by resting and just laying next to her rubbing myself on her and then trying a Trogan skin condom. Not really sure if it was better or worse, but I again nearly reached the point of no return, but exhaustion set in and I collapsed. Over and done. Why? I would labor so hard to get right to the edge, then collapse of exhaustion before getting there. Sigh.

I think back even 10 years ago when I was with someone for a week and we used condoms each time and I was able to come each time. Why not now?

After admitting defeat, she stands and is rubbing her pussy. I ask if she is ok, and says it hurts a little, but there is no blame on me, just acceptance. I say I am sorry and that she should have said something. I did notice towards the end she was drying out, and I did out some KY lotion which helped me almost reach that point of no return. And as I said, she is tight, and I did a lot of pounding. Poor girl. Nice girls like her I hate to see in the business, but at least with me she is safe and respected. Sigh. But no, no moral talk here. She is going to make a ton of money and help out her family. She leaves me in a state of disgrace. At her sweet age, this is probably the first time a guy has not been able to finish. She, like most, is curious about my problem. I mention if I were to go bareback it would be over in under a minute. So I drop the hint, but she makes no offer to actually do it. Good for her. I don't press the matter. She leaves. I am sooo frustrated. This is border line pathetic and you all have to be mocking me. I consider lying and telling how awesome the come was, but I won't lie.

I sleep terribly. Keep waking up for some reach, many times. Around 7 AM I notice that the AC is not running and that power is out. Is it due to my using a magnet to keep the power running? I still try to sleep but fail, then the power returns. How long was the power out? Is that why I couldn't sleep?

Anyway, summary for the day. This was a day of beauties. A Soi 6 honey for 300/1000 that I could not come with, and a Mandarin WS teenage sweetie, 1000/2000, who I also failed with. I would do either one again. Maybe I will. I think Thursday will be day 3 of no come, and based on tonight, I think should succeed tomorrow. Will I go back to Deah? Should I try Pis again? Thursday will also be my last day in Pattaya, so I hope to leave with a bang! Will I go for two girls, three or even four? My cash is holding out well, so that is not a problem.

Day 11 , Final – Thursday.

My last day to monger in Pattaya. On Friday, tomorrow, I will be heading by Bell Bus back to BKK, where I will take a taxi to my hotel near the Soi Cowboy district. I will spend two nights there, presumably visiting the two nearby night club areas, before heading back to BKK to meet up with my Thai GF late Sunday morning. I will then spend the remaining week and a half with her up until I return back to the USA. I will hopefully get out reports for both days regarding my first time to these two areas, and will post in the proper Bangkok forum. I am not expecting to accomplish much. I need to rest before I see her, even though she will probably remain a virgin and I will fail even oral with her. Sigh.

Anyway, started off heading to Soi 6 in the early afternoon. I decided to exchange some cash and went the exchange place at the entrance to Soi 6, as their rates are on par with the best, but when I reached into my pockets, the American money I brought was gone! Did I lose it somewhere or simply leave it back at the hotel? No one has touched me so I am sure it wasn't stolen, but bummer I have to go back the hotel. I did not find the money there, but whatever. (And, later the next day, digging deeper I found the missing money. Sheesh.).

Arriving back at Soi 6, I walked to the Full Moon bar and there was no Deah. But she obviously talked about me as the others girls there remembered me, probably due to her telling them I am the dude can't couldn't get it up hardly nor come. I was told she was running late and I could enjoy a different lady or come back. One girl was cute, but I said I would be back. I then took the back route down Soi 6/1 to ensure the girl who did me bare would not see me, then came out several cross streets (alleys?, whatever those short streets than connect the two streets) past her bar. I stopped after spotting a woman with a set of double the's and blondish hair smiling. She was attractive in a more mature way with nice legs, so I went over and said Hi. We went inside I found her to be more mature, and we actually engaged in some deep discussions that was pleasant, if not sad in her story of why she was here making money. She was not pushy at all which I liked. We talked for a quite a while before I sheepishly asked if she did the bar fine thing. Well, I knew that she did, duh, but we had been talking like friends and it was a little awkward to now be asking for sex, but we got past it obviously. BF was 350 but lady was 1000. Their upstairs bedrooms were really nice, especially the bathrooms. Rather than a tiny hole in the wall with rusting doors, these were tiled with a nice shower, modern toilet and long vanity. Very nice. She gave a nice shower.

I had brought along 4 or 5 different condoms, and I thought I would try some comparisons. I told Kung, her name, of my problem and that I wanted to try two different kinds. She was ok with it. When the action started, she was very slow and followed my guidance, and what followed was pretty much a GFE. Lots of kissing and touching to start off with. Her breasts were pumped up too much so they fake, but the appearance was nice. She allowed FIV and she was tight (she was a mommie but had delivered see-section). The scar was viable not overly distracting. Not a spinner, but she still had a good figure. To ensure I would not suffer the same problem with Deah about getting hard, I did take a V earlier, and the effects of that little pill were quite apparent. No BJ, but we were wrapped in each other's arms and the more natural thing was to plunge in. Well, dern condoms, can interrupt the mood and they did. I compared a. 02 with the Aoni, and there was a very slight edge to the thinner Aoni, but not really significant enough to spend more money on. I was not trying to come, but not trying not to come either. Things with both condoms seemed like could come if I really wanted to, but I figured I would wait to at least Deah, the super hot spinner. Kung was sad I couldn't come, and when I gave up she looked into my eyes for many minutes, just like a GF might. Yes, there was an attraction here, but one we both knew was to be over as soon as it began. If want a classy lady with a big set, go see Kung at the Red Spot bar.

After I left Kung I took the back way back up to see if Deah was in, and she was. We skipped the drinks and went right upstairs. She obviously remembered my problem, and she was far more friendly and accommodating this time. Nice shower then in bed, rather than rush right in, she took time for touching before starting in on another incredible BBBJ. She kept going for at least 10 mintues, alternating her style as yesterday, taking me in half way to teasing with her licking just the tips while rapidly stroking with her hands. Most dudes would be able to come this way, but not me. I wore her out I think as the finally asked for a cover. I put on a large size jap condom that I think was an 02. It was ok and I stuck with it. Deah is tight, but try as hard as I could to come, and several times getting right to the edge but then physically pooping out from the effort, I still could not come. She didn' t know what to think and said she was sorry. I tried to see if I could get her to volunteer to give me raw, but she said many men have this issue and ask her to go bare and always refuses. I just tell her good. I really don't think I would have done it. I have been beating myself up for already doing. Even having some phantom pains, but the only real thing (and this remains true several days later as I am preparing this for finally posting, is a slightly sore left nut due to all the physical trauma it has and will be put through!) Sigh. I think it has been 3 days since I last came. And how many beautiful girls have I failed with? I am pathetic. You guys are probably sick hearing about it. Heck, for now on for Pattaya, I don't think I will even mention it any more.

I left in disgrace and came back to eat at the Sizzler salad bar, then back to the hotel to write my report and probably take a nap. This is my last night in Pattaya, so I need to decide what to do. I might go back to Soi 6, but might first want to check out a BR FL girl.

Well, that evening I go back to Soi 6 and end up, I believe Toy Box. I see an exotic looking spinner (exotic even for Thai standards) and go for her. Maybe not my ideal, but she is interesting. Standard stuff so not too much to say.

After failing there, I head to WS. I actually stake out a table at I-Bar as the crowd is growing. I am getting more comfortable here, but still not quite ready for prime time. I leave and go to Red Car. I find two ladies close to each other. One is really pretty and I think out of my league at this relatively early hour. (But really, there are some cute girls with fat old dudes, so who knows?) The other looks more like a lady looking to get taken home. She has a nice body but just a cute face. I give some looks but get no vibes from her. The other classy lady however does throw out some vibes, so I go over to her. She is in a nice white dress with a really nice body and black hair down to her shoulders. I still suppose mid-30's. English is ok. I believe her name is Gest. I have trouble with it so she wrote it in ink on my hand, but it washed away in the following shower! I bought her drink and we danced a little, but I said I was tired (I was) and she wanted to come with me. We got on a motorbike for the ride to the hotel for 100 baht. I might keep doing this. It is faster than the baht bus, and a little more classy.

At the hotel she says she doesn't need a shower, but I take one. She is waiting for me and we start touching. She has an ok ok body for her age and for having a child. Not too bad at all actually, if just starting to show aging signs. We actually then give each other massages. When done, I rub her pussy and want to see how tight she is. I take a look down here and, what the heck, there are little while globules down there! Then she pushes me down to give me oral, then slams her pussy into my face for 69! Aghhhhh! Now what do I do? Well, if you have a pussy in your face, you lick, right? Be a man! Actually, she was otherwise very clean. No smell or taste whatsoever, even though the position I was in left me feeling claustrophobic. I survived and of course quickly went to gargle when she pulled away. She was wearing while, cotton grandmother panties, so maybe the white things were little cotton wads. I saw no signs these things were emanating from her inside her, so I am disinclined to think these were yeasty thingies. Don't want to think about it regardless. The fact she smelled and tasted clean bides against bad stuff going on. Had she stunk, I would have been out of there quick!

But the BJ was not great. For sex, we did the common positions. She wasn't the most encouraging and borderline starfish by this stage. I had to ask her to rub me a little to try to help get me over the edge. Used two condoms, even the last of my skins. I was drenched from exhaustion. Was on the edge several times. I need more exercise I guess. I take a shower and we go to bed. A while later, I had no idea when as I dropped off immediately to sleep, I hear up in frustration say she can't sleep and she is going to leave. Fine. I am half asleep now. We had never talked money and gave her 1000. She looks are me and I wonder if she is mad for me thinking she is a BG and offering money. Well, that was a dumb thought, wasn't it! She says 2. I grumble, but give it to her, which I should not have done. Then she asks for taxi money. Argh. I give her 200 more. I am thinking it is after 5 AM, but I then see the time and it isn't even 3 AM yet. She has stayed less than an hour after failed sex. I say I gave her more than she should be getting. She leaves.

But I understand her concern about sleeping. The room is not comfortable, and that may be why I am having trouble sleeping. The AC probably blows too much cool air but the air remains humid possibly due to a poor air return system. I later notice some paper is almost wet due to the humidity, even though the AC has been running for hours. Another girl who had stayed with me also wanted to leave early as she couldn't sleep either. Maybe this is the reason. Compared to the Dynasty, the bed is better, and the room is more cheery due to the while walls whereas the Dynasty has dark walls with terrible internal lighting, but I had not complaints about being unable to sleep. And, too, Dynasty now has the keys cards so you can't keep the power running when you go out. If I come back, I really should try a different hotel on a different street, though I like the Soi 13 area.

Summary. Four girls today. Three from Soi 6 and one a pickup from Red Car. My last attempts in Pattaya. No going out with a bang. I manage to get back to sleep, wake up early (can't sleep), pack up, go out for breakfast, wait for the Bell transfer van, and depart for BKK. For reference, the trip back to BKK this time is just a bit more than 90 minutes. My taxi ride down, though in some rain, was almost a full two hours.

Final thoughts. Pattaya is a wonderful place to monger. Girls for every taste and budget practically (well, for Thai girls at least). Heck of a long way for an American to come, but when you can literally walk down Soi 6 and have 6 girls for the price of one back home, and girls who will kiss and shower you, it is still a bargain. At the beginning I wondered if I would grow crazy after even a week here, but I didn't. I didn't really didn't do much more than write reports and do a little work from home, but I cannot say I was ever all that bored, nor was there a time I said I am really ready to leave here. But after doing 2 to 4 girls a day, just to be doing girls, might finally be getting a little old. And I know I am getting old to be doing this sort of thing still, and perhaps my inability to come in a condom, or even in a bare mouth, reflects that this needs to be one of my last visits. I hope I have one or even two more trips on me, but we will see. Hope you have enjoyed reading these reports and have learned something beyond the fact I am pathetic! Haha And sorry for the inevitable typos. Some are due to the site's editor that changes things, but most are my own. I hope you can figure it all out.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1963871]Live update. Popped by to check out Pheromone Club on Walking Street which opened last week. Located across from Marine Disco. I think FL already barfined a girl from here. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/PheromoneClubPattaya/[/URL].

Club already has more talent there than most of the clubs on Walking Street. Place was packed with guys and girls. Definitely worth checking out. Major issue. 200 baht for a lady drink. Thinking it's already better than Baccara and Sensations nearby may be a mistake. We'll see how long the guys will continue paying 200 baht per lady drink once the novelty wears off.[/QUOTE]200 baht for lady drinks, not for me.

I do not think of myself as a cheap charlie, but every baht counts on a trip because I have saved a specific amount just for the trip. 200 baht quickly adds up.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1964083]Day 11 , Final Thursday.

Final thoughts. Pattaya is a wonderful place to monger. Girls for every taste and budget practically (well, for Thai girls at least). Heck of a long way for an American to come, but when you can literally walk down Soi 6 and have 6 girls for the price of one back home, and girls who will kiss and shower you, it is still a bargain. At the beginning I wondered if I would grow crazy after even a week here, but I didn't. I didn't really didn't do much more than write reports and do a little work from home, but I cannot say I was ever all that bored, nor was there a time I said I am really ready to leave here. But after doing 2 to 4 girls a day, just to be doing girls, might finally be getting a little old. And I know I am getting old to be doing this sort of thing still, and perhaps my inability to come in a condom, or even in a bare mouth, reflects that this needs to be one of my last visits. I hope I have one or even two more trips on me, but we will see. Hope you have enjoyed reading these reports and have learned something beyond the fact I am pathetic! Haha And sorry for the inevitable typos. Some are due to the site's editor that changes things, but most are my own. I hope you can figure it all out.[/QUOTE]I really enjoyed your reports. It takes a real man to share not only his conquests, but also his failures. Thanks for taking the time to publish your adventures.

If you hadn't mentioned your advancing age, I would have guessed you were a virile young man based on the sheer number of women that you were with. Unbelievable. You are the man 😎.

I'd love to know how old you are. How about letting us in on your secret age?

Thanks again for sharing.

Yours were great reports. A grateful nation honors you.

I, too, am of a certain age (73). I first visited Pattaya in 1984 and have since been back several times.

I am hoping to take a cruise in 2018 with an overnight port call that will enable me and my wife to overnight in Jomtien. Several reasons for this. Last time we stayed off Beach Road and whatever had attracted me to it before had grown old and stale. Also, I refuse to take all the noise that now blares around Pattaya. Been there, done that.

The plan is to stay at Rabbit Resort, which at least has a relatively decent beach with enough food vendors but not too many trinket peddlers. My wife is not up and about much these days so I will have freedom to roam. I want a smaller and quieter scene.

This may be my last visit. I know I cannot duplicate my first visit. I went to massage parlor in Bangkok and saw a stunner from Hat Yai, I believe. She gave me a blowjob and I came. Then in a burst of heroism that I have not been able to match since, I immediately got hard again and fucked her good until I came again.

Dream on. I know I will appreciate some Thai tenderness.

I am just reaching the end of an enjoyable couple of weeks in Thailand.

It seems to me that there are rather more girls sporting at least some hair down south than there were during my last visit around 5 months ago.

Then, and on all my previous visits, fully shaved or a small landing strip was the norm but now many of the girls I have had the pleasure of have had quite a growth!

Could it be anything to do with mourning the late King?

Hotman.

[QUOTE=Hotman666;1964524]I am just reaching the end of an enjoyable couple of weeks in Thailand.

It seems to me that there are rather more girls sporting at least some hair down south than there were during my last visit around 5 months ago.

Then, and on all my previous visits, fully shaved or a small landing strip was the norm but now many of the girls I have had the pleasure of have had quite a growth!

Could it be anything to do with mourning the late King?

Hotman.[/QUOTE]All my girls are still fully shaved.... Fortunately.

Hi everyone,

I am coming back for 1 week arriving 25th Nov.

Please can you advise on the following. I heard in the news that since the king's death, we should all wear black. Is that true?

[QUOTE=Butter69;1964650] I heard in the news that since the king's death, we should all wear black. Is that true?[/QUOTE]No. Black short could be appreciated but not a must to do, especially for tourists.

All you need to wear is the black bow ribbon, even Thai people. Thai are to continue wearing black until Jan 1. Thai are not allowed to criticize tourists.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1964681]All you need to wear is the black bow ribbon, even Thai people. Thai are to continue wearing black until Jan 1. Thai are not allowed to criticize tourists.[/QUOTE]You actually do not need to wear anything. Even most Thai people are not wearing black clothes nor a black ribbon.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1964683]You actually do not need to wear anything. Even most Thai people are not wearing black clothes nor a black ribbon.[/QUOTE]But be aware that it will be highly appreciated when you wear black. Specifically when you have a Thai office girl as a GF. So I placed my order already for next trip as I do not wear black that often. Just a matter of letting the GF feel comfortable. Behind closed curtains is a different world.

[QUOTE=Hotman666;1964524]
Then, and on all my previous visits, fully shaved or a small landing strip was the norm but now many of the girls I have had the pleasure of have had quite a growth!

Could it be anything to do with mourning the late King?

Hotman.[/QUOTE]Depends on what was written in the will.

Come on. Be serious!

[QUOTE=Titanio;1964708]But be aware that it will be highly appreciated when you wear black. Specifically when you have a Thai office girl as a GF. So I placed my order already for next trip as I do not wear black that often. Just a matter of letting the GF feel comfortable. Behind closed curtains is a different world.[/QUOTE]Wrong again. Nobody is coming up to you patting you on the back if you have black on. Thais only expect you to respect their culture. They do not expect you to emulate it. Besides whenever a foreigner thinks he is doing something right, he is always doing something wrong. Giving the improper wai; wearing an even number of Buddha amulets when it is supposed to be an odd number. Keep it simple and leave their traditions to them in order to not make yourself look ridiculous. Nobody notices when you do nothing. Everybody notices when you are fucking up.

Visited the new gogo club Pheromones on Walking Street again last night. Place was packed with pretty good reason. The lineup is quite decent. Really bad part about this bar is the pure hustle for drinks. The girls must be told to drink their drinks faster than the speed of light. No other bar on Walking Street or LK Metro have girls who down their drinks like at this club. I think #84 was with me for less than 3 minutes after I bought her a drink. Didn't even say bye before she moved on to the next guy. At 200 baht per lady drink as well makes this club a total rip off imo. I will return but my return will be to just walk up to a girl, talk to her, and barfine her if I like her enough. No drinks. May do that with #28 this week.

Regarding the wear of black clothing for tourists, here directly from the source:

[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/asia/thailand/articles/tourists-dont-have-to-wear-black-on-the-beach-thailand-is-open-for-tourism/[/URL]

The TAT itself is saying that tourists do not have to wear black, but non flamboyant clothing. I'm not exactly sure what that means, but what tourists have always worn will be fine I'm sure (jeans, slacks, t-shirts, etc.).

But remember, this was a month ago.

Thai civil servants are to wear black for a year, while regular Thai's are to wear black for a month.

Again, this was a month ago, so even regular Thai's no longer have to wear black. So no need to wear black for any of us tourists at all, even as a 'noble' gesture since it wouldn't even apply to regular Thai's.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1964882]Wrong again. Nobody is coming up to you patting you on the back if you have black on. Thais only expect you to respect their culture. They do not expect you to emulate it. Besides whenever a foreigner thinks he is doing something right, he is always doing something wrong. Giving the improper wai; wearing an even number of Buddha amulets when it is supposed to be an odd number. Keep it simple and leave their traditions to them in order to not make yourself look ridiculous. Nobody notices when you do nothing. Everybody notices when you are fucking up.[/QUOTE]Oh man, I don't do wai's and do not wear amulets. Respect their culture, Yes! An how can you do any better than match up your dress with theirs? Or is it in your opinion well done to wear a bright yellow pants with light green polo when your GF wear black? If so, you have a different type of GF than I have. So it be, but do not say "wrong again".

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1961018]I finally pick a girl at Horny Bar ...

... I bought her a drink and upstairs we soon went. Standard Soi 6 300/1000.[/QUOTE]Great reporting, I just read back 10 pages and saw all your reports. I just want to comment on this though. I have not been in a lot of the bars in Soi 6 but from the ones I have been I know that some charges 350 for the room and not 300, like Horny Bar that you are mentioning. I know that something like nine bars including Horny Bar are operated by the same owner and they all charge 350 for the room.

The ones I have been to which have the same owner are Night Wish, Sexy in the City, The Pussy Club and the one that you mention above, Horny Bar and it's the same price in all of them, 350. To barfine a girl before 9 PM is 1000 Baht and after 9 PM is 550 in these clubs. I have been to three other clubs in Soi 6 except these mentioned above and I believe I paid 300 in those clubs for the room.

I will be visiting a friend in Rayong soon. Are there any good bars down there? I'm hoping so since I really like the Rayong girls I have met. Rates cheaper than Pattaya?

My apologies since Rayong is not Pattaya but it's fairly close.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1965634]I will be visiting a friend in Rayong soon. Are there any good bars down there? I'm hoping so since I really like the Rayong girls I have met. Rates cheaper than Pattaya?

My apologies since Rayong is not Pattaya but it's fairly close.[/QUOTE]No.

Pattaya is the center of cheap nightlife. And as the offer is so huge and the market still works, prices are lowest. With exception of cheap Thai style fucks which last usually not more as 10 minutes somewhere in a hidden shack, prices are higher anywhere as in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1965634]I will be visiting a friend in Rayong soon. Are there any good bars down there? I'm hoping so since I really like the Rayong girls I have met. Rates cheaper than Pattaya?

My apologies since Rayong is not Pattaya but it's fairly close.[/QUOTE]Better stop half way at Ban Chang for a late afternoon delight. YMMV but most of the time it is strip with at least a few very doable Soi 6 style. Rayong is on the dead end like Chantaburi.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1965837]Better stop half way at Ban Chang for a late afternoon delight. YMMV but most of the time it is strip with at least a few very doable Soi 6 style. Rayong is on the dead end like Chantaburi.[/QUOTE]Please tell us more about the scene in Ban Chang!! I guess we are many who wants to know.

I google'd Ban Chang. Many sites discuss the bars there. Here is a pdf file. Any insights on pricing would be great Titanio.

Considering a late afternoon/night trip.

I'm back in Pattaya for my 2nd stint this month. The 1st one was at the beginning of this month (4 nights) and now tomorrow my 2nd stay here for 3 nights is over too. Now it has been cloudy and rainy for a couple of days with thunderstorms so it has ruined my plan of sun bathing. Thus I had to concentrate on drinking beer and Sang Som. My hotel is close to Soi 6 so there I have been hanging out most of the time.

Yesterday I took my laundry to soi 6 and had there and american breakfast at 1.30 pm while waiting for the rain to stop as it was really pouring down heavily. After drinking coffee I switched to beer in a few soi 6 bars. Horny bar is the only name I remember but also visited others. I think Horny bar was the only one where I really fucked someone. 19 yo girl with decent sized breasts and a nice body for me (I don't like the slimmest girls). She said she has one kid 5-years old and that she had while she was 14 (OMG). So upstairs we went for the shower. No BJ as I don't need it so just straight to fucking. Was nice as I was starting to feel horny. Quite good pussy 8/10 so no problems finishing into the condom. Said she had been there for about a month (don't they all) but who knows, might be true also as I had never seen her before.

Later at night I went to WS to my favorite a gogo on soi diamond. Bought several drinks to 2-3 girls but was not really feeling horny. But after a beer and a couple of sang som cokes later the blonded 19 yo girl agreed to go short time with me (2k) so I paid the BF and 300 for the room upstairs at the short time hotel. She also said she had been there about a month and this one I could trust more as later I found out that she really seemed non pro. Like was too shy to shower together etc. After our showers we went to the bed after dimming the lights a little. She started kissing and I kissed her and she also used her tongue in kissing. I was really waking up so I went top of her. I was about to ask about condoms but wanted to feel her pussy a little bit and just entered her and good it really felt. Maybe she really was too a new girl to ask for a condom I don't know. She said everything in her is small (tits, ass, pussy) and so it was because she was a slim girl (it this case it didn't matter). I asked in thai if she was hurt as I saw her facial expressions and she said a little bit. I tried to be gentle on her. Still her face didn't look at all she was at all enjoying it. I asked her to turn and decided to finish quickly in doggy style. Didn't take long and I was gentle and held her ass near me so I just had to finish inside her. Maybe not the wisest thing to do but that happened and then I fell to the bed very exhausted and happy feeling. The relaxed feeling was in my legs too so I had to rest and finish my drink at the gogo bar downstairs.

So two 19 yo s is a big contrast to the last time this month when I mostly had older girls. One that came to me was from mobile dating app and the other was from a beer bar at 4am. Ages were 41 and 42 respectively. With both I had long discussions and they said they were clean and they are also scared of HIV. The 42 yo said that she had only gone with farang 5-6 times and always with condom. Could be true as Pattaya seems quiet now so all the girls (especially older ones) might not have action all the time. The one from Badoo said she just does this "sometimes". I tried condom with her but not easy to finish so did a quick BB CIP. She said "you can use condom if you are scared". With the 42 yo later that night did BB COB and then later in the morning with hangover I did a standing doggy and finished inside her. So bareback sex is easy to find in Pattaya that is my previous experience too. I don't know if this is good or not. The risks are still out there. On the other hand in the last 3 years I have had BB sex with 10-15 girls in Pattaya and didn't catch any STD. The one chlamydia I picked up was in Nana in Bkk when my condom broke inside her because of her dry pussy. So the only STD came while using a condom. Nothing while bare. Of course this does not guarantee anything but I just don't get the feeling with condoms especially when drunk. Sex with condom is sometimes not better than no sex at all. You can't see HIV from the face but by getting to know her a bit (background) and by talking to her makes it possible to make a educated guess about the probability of diseases. In a rare case when you are wrong and she is a good lier the risk of HIV is still low in 1-2 BB sex sessions. By multiplying all these probabilites the overall probability will be very low. And there is risk in everything, crossing a street in Pattaya is sometimes scary too.

It's fun to be a Finn. . .

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1966015]I I think Horny bar was the only one where I really fucked someone. 19 yo girl with decent sized breasts and a nice body for me (I don't like the slimmest girls)..[/QUOTE]Rose? I also fucked a girl in Horny bar last week, 19 yo called Rose.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;1965625]Great reporting, I just read back 10 pages and saw all your reports. I just want to comment on this though. I have not been in a lot of the bars in Soi 6 but from the ones I have been I know that some charges 350 for the room and not 300, like Horny Bar that you are mentioning. I know that something like nine bars including Horny Bar are operated by the same owner and they all charge 350 for the room.

The ones I have been to which have the same owner are Night Wish, Sexy in the City, The Pussy Club and the one that you mention above, Horny Bar and it's the same price in all of them, 350. To barfine a girl before 9 PM is 1000 Baht and after 9 PM is 550 in these clubs. I have been to three other clubs in Soi 6 except these mentioned above and I believe I paid 300 in those clubs for the room.[/QUOTE]I had the same experience twice at Horny Bar last week. They charged 350 and if I remember correctly the Pussy Bar charged the same. I initially thought all the bar fines went up too, but after hitting a couple of others, I realized it was just that place and like you said, their affiliates.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1965634]I will be visiting a friend in Rayong soon. Are there any good bars down there? I'm hoping so since I really like the Rayong girls I have met. Rates cheaper than Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Common mistake in mongering. Meet so many girls from Town X in Town Y so you figure there must be a lot of girls like this in Town X. You finally go to Town X and realize that all the good girls from there go to Town Y because there isn't shit going on in Town X. If there was shit going on in Town X they would have just stayed there instead of going through all the trouble to go to Town Y. So if you want good girls from Town X, it is best to stay in Town Y to continue to meet them. All that is left in Town X is the garbage.

[QUOTE=Ee2002;1966068]I had the same experience twice at Horny Bar last week. They charged 350 and if I remember correctly the Pussy Bar charged the same. I initially thought all the bar fines went up too, but after hitting a couple of others, I realized it was just that place and like you said, their affiliates.[/QUOTE]Yes, it seems like it is those bars with the same owner that charges 350 for the room and maybe all the other bars charges 300.

However, today I was in the agogo bar directly opposite The Pussy Club, which is called Working Girl. They had about 18 girls doing the strip / dance rotation but they didn't take any clothes off, they just danced to show themselves off.

I asked of the prices and found out that they are charging 500 for the room and most of the girls will do ST for 1500 and a few of them will ask for 2000. Bar fine for taking a girl LT is 1300 up until midnight and drops to 800 after that. The club closes at 2 AM. I bought a LD for a 32 yo girl named Pu and I am thinking of coming back to take her for a ST session there. She looked good and had a nice and curvy body. I couldn't do her today as I just before was with another girl in the Horny Club which is just opposite Working Girl.

I haven't paid so much attention to know if agogo Working Girl is the only agogo in Soi 6 but at least I guess that there aren't so many agogo's in Soi 6. From what I remember of prices in general, Working Girl sticks out with the high room rate of 500 Baht in Soi 6. And of the prices that I have been quoted I think that 350 Baht has been the highest until I found out today that agogo Working Girl is charging 500 for their rooms.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1966134]Common mistake in mongering. Meet so many girls from Town X in Town Y so you figure there must be a lot of girls like this in Town X. You finally go to Town X and realize that all the good girls from there go to Town Y because there isn't shit going on in Town X. If there was shit going on in Town X they would have just stayed there instead of going through all the trouble to go to Town Y. So if you want good girls from Town X, it is best to stay in Town Y to continue to meet them. All that is left in Town X is the garbage.[/QUOTE]Hello Spock Jr! : " you are 2 logical for some humans! It must be interesting to be a human. " 🖖🖖🖖

Except for the very few quality girls who are just days from leaving ( too young, shy, scared etc) , or have some family issue that is keeping them from leaving currently....

A gogo on Soi 6 that charges inflated prices all around?

Whose brilliant idea was this?

Some girls are asking for 2000ST?

GTFO of here! If I wanted overpriced girls with attitudes in an overpriced venue, I'd go to Walking Street or Soi LK Metro, not Soi 6!

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;1966202]I haven't paid so much attention to know if agogo Working Girl is the only agogo in Soi 6 but at least I guess that there aren't so many agogo's in Soi 6. From what I remember of prices in general, Working Girl sticks out with the high room rate of 500 Baht in Soi 6. And of the prices that I have been quoted I think that 350 Baht has been the highest until I found out today that agogo Working Girl is charging 500 for their rooms.[/QUOTE]Down near Beach Road on Soi 6 the is a gogo bar named Dolls. It even puts Walking Street gogo bars to shame on their rates. If I recall, the rate for 1 HOUR was 1500 to use their room upstairs or BF + 2500 to the girl. That's 4 k for 1 HOUR! Really too bad because there is one hot girl who is still there. Hopefully someone can correct me on my rates.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1966063]Rose? I also fucked a girl in Horny bar last week, 19 yo called Rose.[/QUOTE]Yes it was Rose. Good fuck. Not many 19 year olds in soi6. But like almost all the othes she has a baby to send money to. Still she told that many farang say they want her as their GF. Maybe this is how it goes. The best ones even in soi6 get picked by farangs and of course it is far better for them to leave than stay there being fucked by many every day. Girls come and go. New busloads of girls will fill the gaps. I have also seen some little less beautiful girls disappear abroad.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1966015] Horny bar is the only name I remember but also visited others. I think Horny bar was the only one where I really fucked someone. 19 yo girl with decent sized breasts and a nice body for me (I don't like the slimmest girls). She said she has one kid 5-years old and that she had while she was 14 (OMG). So upstairs we went for the shower. No BJ as I don't need it so just straight to fucking. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1966296]Yes it was Rose. Good fuck. Not many 19 year olds in soi6. [/QUOTE]Pity you don't got a BJ, she suck pretty well and seem to like it. She is a 3 holers as well.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1963812]Live update. Just walked beach road from central festival to Soi 13/1. Average amount of girls out. Talked to 3 that looked OK but not top looks as I prefer. 700,800, and 1000 were the quoted prices.[/QUOTE]Same experience, I had couple of walk up and down beach road last week. Many girls ask for 1000ST, few 8/700. I not tried to negotiate the price down, but interview them for the service, many of them were no friendly at all, almost all said NO for anal, and few said yes but ask for crazy price like 3000 baht. It is clear that they did not want.

At the end I pick up Deung very little tiny girl with a great ass, she stay in front of soi11, agree on 1000 baht with anal and CIM. Performance was ok, but she have very silly and childish behavior.

This holiday I had very good time on soi6, so not more pick up on beach road for me.

Another afternoon club open yesterday in soi Full Love Inn next to Club4, 007, Carre Blanc and Pirates.

5 clubs in a row, like a mini soi6.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1966228]A gogo on Soi 6 that charges inflated prices all around?

Whose brilliant idea was this?

Some girls are asking for 2000ST?

GTFO of here! If I wanted overpriced girls with attitudes in an overpriced venue, I'd go to Walking Street or Soi LK Metro, not Soi 6![/QUOTE]Yes, 2000 is much for ST in Soi 6. But according to Banana Boi the gogo bar Dolls near Beach Road goes even higher with 2500 for the girls to do ST plus 1500 for the room.

2000 - 4000 for one hour seems steep for Soi 6 so let's hope that Dolls and Working Girl are the only exceptions to these prices and it stays like that, and that it's not spreading to more clubs in Soi 6. The idea of 1000 + 300/350 for ST in Soi 6 is great and should stay just like that!

Sensations was the best I have seen it tonight. So many pretty faces now and the bodies are always good there. Noticed many new cute girls in some of the outdoor bars on Walking Street. Girls everywhere now. Went with a nice one on Soi Honey this afternoon. Amazing chemistry and service. Sorry forgot the name of the place but it's near Bay Breeze hotel.

Anyone know the pricing of some of the non gogo bar areas in Walking Street.

(1) the complex just outside Walking Street on the Beach side that we have all passed a thousand times.

(2) the long row of bars across from G Spot gogo on the Beach side near the entrance of Walking Street and Lobster Pot. I think it's Frog bar as the first bar.

(3) the short strip of bars leading from Walking Street to Happy a go go.

Famous girl on another board. Not easy to meet her, for my last 4 holidays she never was in town.

I didn't think she was small like this, only 148 cm, tiny ass and look like a teenager, so lovely. 25 yo, little silicon boobs.

Arrive at the bar. Parking motorbike in the front got a soft drink for 60 baht and I had to wait 1 HR for her.

Great BBBJ, DT, rimjob and great skills to suck balls, take all my scrotum in the mouth. Fuck her pussy and her ass for long in different positions, she seems very horny.

Finish with a CIM and she won't stop to suck me, seems she won't gave me back my cock. LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1966230]Down near Beach Road on Soi 6 the is a gogo bar named Dolls. It even puts Walking Street gogo bars to shame on their rates. If I recall, the rate for 1 HOUR was 1500 to use their room upstairs or BF + 2500 to the girl. That's 4 k for 1 HOUR! Really too bad because there is one hot girl who is still there. Hopefully someone can correct me on my rates.[/QUOTE]I was quoted something along the lines of 2000 for the girl and 500 for the room at Dolls. I passed since I felt there were other girls just up the street asking for a third of that amount. But if the girl was truly gorgeous, drop dead model quality I'd probably have to pay up. If she'd come back to my hotel for the session I'd be more likely to bite the bullet. Yes, 4 k is alot for soi 6 but guys are paying that for some girls on Walking Street.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1966378]Another afternoon club open yesterday in soi Full Love Inn next to Club4, 007, Carre Blanc and Pirates.

5 clubs in a row, like a mini soi6.[/QUOTE]How was the lineup at Club Sin? Haven't been to Soi FLI for a while.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1966466]Sensations was the best I have seen it tonight. So many pretty faces now and the bodies are always good there. Noticed many new cute girls in some of the outdoor bars on Walking Street. Girls everywhere now. Went with a nice one on Soi Honey this afternoon. Amazing chemistry and service. Sorry forgot the name of the place but it's near Bay Breeze hotel.

Anyone know the pricing of some of the non gogo bar areas in Walking Street.

(1) the complex just outside Walking Street on the Beach side that we have all passed a thousand times.

(2) the long row of bars across from G Spot gogo on the Beach side near the entrance of Walking Street and Lobster Pot. I think it's Frog bar as the first bar.

(3) the short strip of bars leading from Walking Street to Happy a go go.[/QUOTE]I was living at the hotel opposite Sensations, it had recently opened at that time, yes, that meant the girls were fresh off the boat! I remember not bar fining a girl because I thought the rate was too steep at that time. Any time my mate and me wanted a drink we use to head there, however, they took us for granted and different girls came at regular intervals asking for drinks for themselves or their friends, post that we stopped going there. During my last day there I went back to Sensations, had my eye on this girl for a while, unfortunately she was engaged with some one else, the mamasaan asked us to wait and even gave us one free drink each?! I got fed up after 20 minutes and left.

1) Any area close to the gogos at walking street will have similar if not same prices.

2) The stretch you are talking about has a bar which does good during the afternoon, always packed, I don't remember the name, since people mostly come there for drinking the rate there is lower. The quality of the girls is also good but like most places you will find some with a bad attitude.

3) Again similar if not same prices.

Please note this is from my trip 4 years ago, but, nothing much changed between that trip and my first trip 6 years ago, so I reckon it still should be the same.

If price is a factor I recommend hopping a few gogos, having a few a drinks, post that go to the clubs, and start chatting up the Thai girl you like. I scored 3 different chicks from clubs (all LT), none quoted a price, I paid them 1.5 k-2 k in the morning and breakfast too at times. They were happy with the money and one was just happy to sleep in an air conditioned room (kinda sad).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1966641]How was the lineup at Club Sin? Haven't been to Soi FLI for a while.[/QUOTE]I don't know, I only read on internet about this new club. They just open 24 Nov. I back home on 22 Nov. :-(

Walk down the six, and I heard a girl (22/23 yo, nice girl) call me from this new bar just open 2 weeks ago, she knew me but I didn't knew who she is. She told me that I fucked her friends years ago (what a memory, it happened 3 years ago) and she remember correctly, also knew what I like (3 holers girls). She offer to take care me. Now, how can I say no?

So we go upstair, nice BBBJ while I fingering her holes, in the pussy she have a sponge for menses but no problem for me, I will fuck only ass LOL. Tight hole but she can take good, love when she whisper "please fuck my ass more" LOL so I have to fuck this ass till the end and not ask for CIM.

Last night I visited the grand opening of ByPass Agogo on Walking Street at Soi Happy. Girls were young and some decent looking. No top end girls like Sensations but many cute. Club is very narrow which I don't like in any club. Looks good. Will revisit. Didn't really have the time last night.

Walk in the soi as usual, and this girl stop me, name C, 34 yo, not good face but nice body and tall girl 170 cm. As usual I ask for anal and she said "ok I don't do much, but I can do".
In the room, shower then she kneel and start to suck me deep, while I fingering her ass, not so tight as she claim LOL. She seems very horny and rub her pussy all the time while I fuck her ass first and pussy after. Finish with a BBBJ, rimjob and CIM. Another very good service in the six.
Back down and she told me that have a friend that can fuck ass, but she went long time. Oh yeah I'll come back.

Few days later I come back and C introduce me Nut, 35 yo slim and small, nice body. Go upstair and usually routine, BBBJ while I play with her pussy and ass. Start to fuck her ass doggy but I not felt very good, I was still half asleep because had a foot massage with nap before, so still don't have a good power.
Asked for CIM, and she said yes but at the end she close her mouth and move away, too late, can't stop my shot, and my sperm finish all over her face, neck and in her hair also. She wasnt happy LOL.

It is glorious to be in Walking Street between 1 am and 2 am, horny and not completely drunk. I warmed up at Happy A Go-go, but the atmosphere was anything but happy so I left. I went upstairs at Insomnia, and slowly started making the round. Just after I grabbed my beer, a girl makes contact with me. Her name is Natasha, which clearly she has no idea how to pronounce. She saw it in a film and adopted it. She is 100% Thai, not a Russian type. She dyes her hair blond and cuts it relatively short, shoulder-length. She looks about 27 years old, but honestly I have no idea with these girls. She has some tattoos, but acceptable.

Anyway, I say we go out, she says you pay me, I offer 1500 Baht and she accepts. I take her to Oasis short-time motel on Soi Happy and she likes it. Clearly had no idea this place even existed. We shower, and have a great long bang together. She comes or pretends to a few times. She is really into it, in all sorts of positions. At the end I say I want to come on her face, she says no, so I come on her tits. Then she does something I've never seen before, and I've done a lot of girls here.

She collects the sperm on her tits and rubs it into her pussy. Then she straddles me and rubs her pussy on top of my still-sticky cock. She even tries to get me to fuck her bareback with cum dripping from the tip of my cock, but there I draw the line and make her dismount. What the heck was she thinking?

I think it's just symbolic, that she saw me as good Walking-ATM material, and that was her way to express her regret at not having be able to bag me. She didn't even get my phone number, my real name, my hotel, or a long-time stay with me. I'm pretty sure she can't get pregnant like that, or to me more precise the odds are minuscule. I'm not even worried. But that was so weird. These girls never cease to amaze me, and I've seen so much that it takes a lot.

This afternoon I may try Soi 6 or Soi Full Love Inn to see if I can get some action there.

Planning to visit Sabai dee massage today for soapy. What is the best time to visit to get more options in fishbowl?

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1966921]This afternoon I may try Soi 6 or Soi Full Love Inn to see if I can get some action there.[/QUOTE]Soi Full Love Inn is more suited for a night visit rather than a day visit.

[QUOTE=RahulBoy05;1966949]Planning to visit Sabai dee massage today for soapy. What is the best time to visit to get more options in fishbowl?[/QUOTE]

6 to 9 pm. after that the guys start coming. Make sure you also check out honey 2 and the other Sabai massage place nearby.

[QUOTE=KnightWolf;1966687]I was living at the hotel opposite Sensations, it had recently opened at that time,

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Please note this is from my trip 4 years ago, but, nothing much changed between that trip and my first trip 6 years ago, so I reckon it still should be the same.[/QUOTE]My understanding from when Sensations first opened it was very quiet. Now it's 120+ girls if you get there before the Japanese barfine them all. Walking Street changes monthly these days. Example 2 new gogo bars opened this month, Pheromone and ByPass.

I may be wrong but pretty sure there is no longer a hotel across from Sensations. For a hotel on Walking Street maybe try the Walking Street guest house above Roo pub. Otherwise there is Green View hotel near Sapphire. Both are not nice imo but cheap and on Walking Street.

I don't often go to Naklua but decided to visit a friend last night. There are a ton of bars along Pattaya-Naklua road from the baht bus dolphin circle up to Soi 29/1. Mostly older ladies but I managed to find one cute one (forgot name of bar) and my friend's bar is loaded with hot young girls. While all the bars there are farang bars my friends bar is unmistakably a Thai bar.

Earlier in the night I went to the bar complex on Second Road between Soi 10 and Tipp plaza after seeing a girl walk into one of the bars. I went to sit with her at New Tuk bar 2 (at least that's what the bills have written on them). No sign on the bar but it was beside Everything But bar. Cute and young with pink braces. Nothing else even close to her quality looks in that entire complex. Would be a top gogo girl. I tried hard but no chemistry so I sadly left for girls who show some remote interest in wanting to talk to me.

Went to Sabai room body massage today. It was my first ever experience. Took a girl number 191. Short, good body and cute face. I forgot to ask about the services to the manager. And later I found that there is no BBJ, kissing and DFK. That's a bit turn off for me. But overall experience is great.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1966965]My understanding from when Sensations first opened it was very quiet. Now it's 120+ girls if you get there before the Japanese barfine them all. Walking Street changes monthly these days. Example 2 new gogo bars opened this month, Pheromone and ByPass.

I may be wrong but pretty sure there is no longer a hotel across from Sensations. For a hotel on Walking Street maybe try the Walking Street guest house above Roo pub. Otherwise there is Green View hotel near Sapphire. Both are not nice imo but cheap and on Walking Street.[/QUOTE]I feel like an idiot, it was Secrets and not Sensations! I need to cut down on them herbs LOL! The hotel is still there, Grand Hotel.

I really need to make a trip again, probably during the water festival, I want to see what's it like. I heard Sapphire is big now too, Gary has done a good job.

Cheers,

KW.

[QUOTE=KnightWolf;1967232] I heard Sapphire is big now too, Gary has done a good job.[/QUOTE]Sapphire did an excellent job on its renovations.

[QUOTE=RahulBoy05;1967137]no BBJ, kissing and DFK. [/QUOTE]

You got hosed. At worst would be CBJ. I will avoid #191.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1967269]Sapphire did an excellent job on its renovations.

You got hosed. At worst would be CBJ. I will avoid #191.[/QUOTE]Yup. CBJ was there. But I was expecting BBJ and rimming too. Do you know any place where I can get this? I am planning to try another soapy parlor or Devil's den.

[QUOTE=RahulBoy05;1967281]Yup. CBJ was there. But I was expecting BBJ and rimming too. Do you know any place where I can get this? I am planning to try another soapy parlor or Devil's den.[/QUOTE]I think the freelancers on Beach Road do most of the servicing for indian guys.

Dear fellow members,

I will be back in Pattaya late Friday night. Staying at a hotel on 2nd road and will be around till 11th.

Even tho I have been many times to WS etc; I have never tried out Soi 6.

Can you please advise me regards LT hook ups.

Many thanks.

[QUOTE=DecrepitInsane;1967444]Dear fellow members,

I will be back in Pattaya late Friday night. Staying at a hotel on 2nd road and will be around till 11th.

Even tho I have been many times to WS etc; I have never tried out Soi 6.

Can you please advise me regards LT hook ups.

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]There is plenty of information on Soi 6 in this very thread. Please RTFF! My advise for LT on Soi 6 is to take a few of them in the ST rooms above their bars until you find one you like and then offer her between 2-3 K for the night. That way you know what your getting yourself into, Soi 6 is so cheap, you can test drive many ladies for 1,300 total including the room.

[QUOTE=RahulBoy05;1967281]I was expecting BBJ and rimming too. Do you know any place where I can get this?[/QUOTE]My Friend You Bar located at Soi 6.

Live update. Soi 6 is rocking. Many new girls I would try. Done 2 so far at horny and red point. Horny girl beautiful but no English. 3rd day. Standard stuff. Red point amazing service.

Sad part is I can confirm what others have been posting. 350 BF at both. Prepping for high season I guess.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1967567]Sad part is I can confirm what others have been posting. 350 BF at both. Prepping for high season I guess.[/QUOTE]It's already 3/4 years that room cost 350 baht at Red Point, They have raised the price +50 baht after renovation.
Miss B Heaven, new bar next to Chili Bar is also 350 baht.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1967539]My Friend You Bar located at Soi 6.[/QUOTE]And almost all other bars in soi6, I never had problem to find BBBJ and rimjob in soi6.

Took another walk through Soi 6 at 11 pm. Definitely a lot rougher looking girls than the younger cuter bunch I saw earlier today. No one I was interested in tonight.

I haven't seen posts regarding Soi Buakhao in awhile. I've gotten great sex there over the years. If you work your chemistry right, It works out been better so lets see a few posts for my sanity. Or, what's little of it!.

[B]MeatMan[/B]

I hear often about members meeting new ladies by using line ID but if you have not already met a lady and git her line ID how is it possible to get line ID for ladies you have not met yet? Is there something or some site I am missing? I would love to find line ID for new ladies to meet next time I'm in Pattaya thanks for any help guys.

[QUOTE=Broxy;1967831]I hear often about members meeting new ladies by using line ID but if you have not already met a lady and git her line ID how is it possible to get line ID for ladies you have not met yet? Is there something or some site I am missing? I would love to find line ID for new ladies to meet next time I'm in Pattaya thanks for any help guys.[/QUOTE]Why don't people understand about line? Nowadays line is the preferred meathod of communication for Thais. So after you meet a lady in person or off the internet on some website or app such as Thai Friendly and We Chat, they will prefer to give you their Line ID instead of their phone number. So easy to understand.

[QUOTE=MeatMan;1967786]I haven't seen posts regarding Soi Buakhao in awhile. I've gotten great sex there over the years. If you work your chemistry right, It works out been better so lets see a few posts for my sanity. Or, what's little of it!.

[B]MeatMan[/B][/QUOTE]How about you write a report on where to go since you have had many successes there? Then us newbies could go there, find a girl, and then write a report on it.

[QUOTE=MeatMan;1967786]I haven't seen posts regarding Soi Buakhao in awhile. I've gotten great sex there over the years. If you work your chemistry right, It works out been better so lets see a few posts for my sanity. Or, what's little of it!.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure I just wrote something the other day. Quoted 2000 boom boom for a massage girl. Moved on quickly.

[QUOTE=Broxy;1967831]I hear often about members meeting new ladies by using line ID but if you have not already met a lady and git her line ID how is it possible to get line ID for ladies you have not met yet? Is there something or some site I am missing? I would love to find line ID for new ladies to meet next time I'm in Pattaya thanks for any help guys.[/QUOTE]Perhaps they were using Thai Cupid or some other Thai dating / relationship websites, and the ladies they correspond with gave them their Line ID. This is for ladies you never met before.

Otherwise, you have to get Line ID in person when you meet the girl in Thailand. That's how I got one Line ID, I met a girl in a beauty salon, and she gave me her ID.

I don't see how else you can get a Line ID ahead of time for someone you never met. As far as I know, Line doesn't have a dating app where you can search for girls in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Broxy;1967831]I hear often about members meeting new ladies by using line ID but if you have not already met a lady and git her line ID how is it possible to get line ID for ladies you have not met yet? Is there something or some site I am missing? I would love to find line ID for new ladies to meet next time I'm in Pattaya thanks for any help guys.[/QUOTE]Please read this thread for many good ideas on how to meet woman so they will give you their Line IDs.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3716-Chat-App-Reports[/URL]

[QUOTE=Broxy;1967831]I hear often about members meeting new ladies by using line ID but if you have not already met a lady and git her line ID how is it possible to get line ID for ladies you have not met yet? Is there something or some site I am missing? I would love to find line ID for new ladies to meet next time I'm in Pattaya thanks for any help guys.[/QUOTE]You can download Badoo and Tinder and here you can see pictures of the girls on these 2 apps and when you send them a request and if they accept you can ask them for their Line ID. In the Line App you can also search for people in the same area as you.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

TheTank.

Trying to get some action around lunch time, I looked at Soi 6, but "running the gauntlet" does not turn me on, so I defaulted back to Soi Honey oilies. In the past I'd done Paradise, so I tried the one next door, named Up to You. At least a couple of girls were nice-looking. I picked the closest one to me. Her name was Tata.

We went upstairs and she showered with me, which is a welcome upgrade from the solo shower I got at Paradise. Massage was decent. HJ was good. BBBJ OK. Then we had intercourse. Just two positions, very rushed. I mean less than 5 minutes. Then she decided to finish me off with a vigorous HJ. Satisfaction was reached, and I shot my load more powerfully than usual, but come on.

All in all, would not recommend. That, and the little beds separated from the other guys by a flimsy curtain, no thanks. But the girls are cute and they know how to get you off. Around lunchtime there aren't so many alternatives.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1967972] In the past I'd done Paradise, so I tried the one next door, named Up to You. At least a couple of girls were nice-looking. I picked the closest one to me. Her name was Tata.
We went upstairs and she showered with me, which is a welcome upgrade from the solo shower I got at Paradise. Massage was decent. HJ was good. BBBJ OK. Then we had intercourse. Just two positions, very rushed. I mean less than 5 minutes. Then she decided to finish me off with a vigorous HJ. Satisfaction was reached, and I shot my load more powerfully than usual, but come on.
All in all, would not recommend. That, and the little beds separated from the other guys by a flimsy curtain, no thanks. But the girls are cute and they know how to get you off. Around lunchtime there aren't so many alternatives.[/QUOTE]I agree, I use soi Honey only few times but I never found a good service, still prefer soi6 or the Gclubs around the town.

Yesterday night. Took a freelancer to my hotel room. Had a very nice time with her. DFK, BBJ, rimjob everything I have always wanted to do.

And today I went to Devil's den today just to tick off from my list. Took Jane and let her choose another. I am somewhat disappointed. Jane's attitude was not good at all. She was in hurry and didn't ready to take efforts to make me happy. The other girl was not good in looks but co operative. They were not even touching each other. Not worth the price. Haha. And then they were expecting tip from me and come there again and choose Jane. Not going there again.

[QUOTE=TheTank85;1967931]You can download Badoo and Tinder and here you can see pictures of the girls on these 2 apps and when you send them a request and if they accept you can ask them for their Line ID. In the Line App you can also search for people in the same area as you.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

TheTank.[/QUOTE]You absolutely cannot search for people nearby you in the Line App. Thanks for coming out though. However, you can search for people nearby in We Chat, Badoo, Skout, and Beetalk.

Secondly, you can't send requests to people on Tinder. On Tinder both the man and the lady must mutually select yes to be matched and then you can send messages to each other after being matched. Nice try though!!!!

If you pick up girls from Devil's den, you must first ensure that there is chemistry between the girls, then the girls should also be interested to play with you, otherwise, it's a waste of time and money.

[QUOTE=RahulBoy05;1967986] And today I went to Devil's den today just to tick off from my list. Took Jane and let her choose another. I am somewhat disappointed. Jane's attitude was not good at all. She was in hurry and didn't ready to take efforts to make me happy. The other girl was not good in looks but co operative. They were not even touching each other. Not worth the price. Haha. And then they were expecting tip from me and come there again and choose Jane. Not going there again. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1967887]How about you write a report on where to go since you have had many successes there? Then us newbies could go there, find a girl, and then write a report on it.[/QUOTE]Yeah sure I'll get right on it, As soon as I pull my fist out of my ass. Ill update you on it.

[QUOTE=RahulBoy05;1967986]Yesterday night. Took a freelancer to my hotel room. Had a very nice time with her. DFK, BBJ, rimjob everything I have always wanted to do.

And today I went to Devil's den today just to tick off from my list. Took Jane and let her choose another. I am somewhat disappointed. Jane's attitude was not good at all. She was in hurry and didn't ready to take efforts to make me happy. The other girl was not good in looks but co operative. They were not even touching each other. Not worth the price. Haha. And then they were expecting tip from me and come there again and choose Jane. Not going there again.[/QUOTE]I don't see to be reading too many good things about Devil's den lately. Why pay premium for women that seems to be going through the motions lately. Definitely not on my to do list for the future.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1968056]
.... However, you can search for people nearby in We Chat, Badoo, Skout, and Beetalk.

[/QUOTE]The Problem is: on WeeChat and BeeTalk are more than 50% Ladyboys or Transsexual. Very nice Photos, difficult to see.

[QUOTE=RahulBoy05;1967986]
And today I went to Devil's den today just to tick off from my list. Took Jane and let her choose another. I am somewhat disappointed. Jane's attitude was not good at all. She was in hurry and didn't ready to take efforts to make me happy. The other girl was not good in looks but co operative. They were not even touching each other. Not worth the price. Haha. And then they were expecting tip from me and come there again and choose Jane. Not going there again.[/QUOTE]In 2009-10-11 I was a regular customer at DD, always had a great fun with all the 3 holers girls incall or outcall. Back again once in 2013 and once in 2014 all new girls and I was very disappointed both times, very bad service lazy and mechanical. IMHO now DD is not worth, less service and price a bit more high.

In any case, a very interesting video. Excellent camera work, amazing sharpness. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-nW47T0d-E[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1968441]
....Back again once in 2013 and once in 2014 all new girls and I was very disappointed both times, very bad service lazy and mechanical.....

[/QUOTE]I agree 100% - you can get a 3 howler also on the beach for about 1000 Thb and they will do the business more intense, than this boring full professional!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1944559]Will figure out how to get near there by baht bus. Not where I want to go but if this girl is there I will go to hunt high and low for the best of the best.

She looks a lot like my girl at the bar I visit near Soi Full Love inn.[/QUOTE]Hi, is that possible to have the details of this girl? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=ItsEnjoy;1968838]Hi, is that possible to have the details of this girl? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]How long ago did I make that post? If it's referring to Kit Cat gentleman's club I posted a photo of the girl. I never saw her in person.

A very late post on Big Larry's Preggo.

I did meet this girl after getting the contact from GregLondon.

Sweet Thai girl just like Big Larry described.

[QUOTE=BigLarry;979853]Opinion seems to be split re pregnant girls. About 90% of guys seem appalled by the idea, the other 10% turned on. Anyhow if you happen to be in the 10% you might like the attached pics.

Actually when I first met her she claimed to be a little pom poi. I guess she had met alot of that 90%. She then claimed to be 4 months gone, but looks more like about 7 months to me. Anyhow the boobs and enlarged nipples are a real turn on for me. She's 20 and of course the Thai BF has done a runner so she's left in Pattaya to generate some cash before she goes back to Issan to have the baby and leave it with mum. Obviously some positions are out and I thought it prudent to leave the Penthouse sex swing for another day but she takes it in her pussy like a trooper (which I guess is how she got into trouble in the first place) and gives a damm fine soapy tit fuck in the shower and passable BBBJ. Her English is quite good and overall service attitude about average.

She is hurting for cash so anyone in that 10% up for a different experience she is available 600-700B short time. PM your Thai cell no and I'll pass it on to her or your email and I'll email you hers. I'm a junior member so not I cannot PM you details I think. Don't mention you have seen the pics LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sctiti;1968876]A very late post on Big Larry's Preggo. I did meet this girl after getting the contact from Greg London. Sweet Thai girl just like Big Larry described.[/QUOTE]Wow, you dug very deeply into the archives to find Larry's post (2010) do rocks live that long? I feel myself growing wood when I see these preggo pics on here. That girl looks like she's ready to pop!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1968056]You absolutely cannot search for people nearby you in the Line App. Thanks for coming out though. [/QUOTE]You can search for people nearby in the Line app by pressing the three dots on the lower right side of the main screen. That will bring up a screen and one of the options is People Nearby. You cannot sort by male or female, though. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1969067]You can search for people nearby in the Line app by pressing the three dots on the lower right side of the main screen. That will bring up a screen and one of the options is People Nearby. You cannot sort by male or female, though. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]You mean like this? I guess someone does not know their ass from a hole in the ground.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1969078]You mean like this? I guess someone does not know their ass from a hole in the ground.[/QUOTE]I already use LINE for a very long period, but never discovered this option. Looks almost as good as Skype Me in the old days. Just turned it on and they found you. Sweet memories from those contacts that turned into dates.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1969078]You mean like this? I guess someone does not know their ass from a hole in the ground.[/QUOTE]You said it. I just thought it.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1969067]You can search for people nearby in the Line app by pressing the three dots on the lower right side of the main screen. That will bring up a screen and one of the options is People Nearby. You cannot sort by male or female, though. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]There is no People Nearby option on that Recommended list when I press the three dots and go to that page on my Android phone. I have swiped and tapped around to search for it within the other options but still have not found it or anything like it. Any suggestions for where it might be if it doesn't show up on the Recommended list or anywhere else on that page?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1969227]There is no People Nearby option on that Recommended list when I press the three dots and go to that page on my Android phone. I have swiped and tapped around to search for it within the other options but still have not found it or anything like it. Any suggestions for where it might be if it doesn't show up on the Recommended list or anywhere else on that page?[/QUOTE]My line is missing that too and have android. 3 dots there is but no searching people.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1969067]You can search for people nearby in the Line app by pressing the three dots on the lower right side of the main screen. That will bring up a screen and one of the options is People Nearby. You cannot sort by male or female, though. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]I've updated my iOS app and is obviously not available in the Thai App Store with this option. I'm using iOS 9. Maybe only IOS 10? Or maybe only android?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1969078]You mean like this? I guess someone does not know their ass from a hole in the ground.[/QUOTE]As your screen shot shows, there is another line app that needs to be downloaded and it works in conjunction with the line app. However, it's not available in the Thai store so it makes it irrelevant for this topic.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1968441]In 2009-10-11 I was a regular customer at DD, always had a great fun with all the 3 holers girls incall or outcall. Back again once in 2013 and once in 2014 all new girls and I was very disappointed both times, very bad service lazy and mechanical. IMHO now DD is not worth, less service and price a bit more high.[/QUOTE]I agree. Not worth at all.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1969356]As your screen shot shows, there is another line app that needs to be downloaded and it works in conjunction with the line app. However, it's not available in the Thai store so it makes it irrelevant for this topic.[/QUOTE]No sir. There is nothing special that I downloaded other than the normal line app. The version that I have is 6.9.1 on Android.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1969369]No sir. There is nothing special that I downloaded other than the normal line app. The version that I have is 6.9.1 on Android.[/QUOTE]It is not available on the iPhone app. I've just checked. Would you be kind enough to take a screen shot of the list of people that shows up in this feature? Thanks.

I'm on 6. 9. 1 on Android too and do not have "People Nearby".

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1969402]I'm on 6. 9. 1 on Android too and do not have "People Nearby".[/QUOTE]It must be region exclusive. I would bet Mr E's Google play store account is not from Thailand. Anyways the point is you won't see Thai ladies on there I that feature is not available on Thailand accounts of Google and the App Store. I see an app in his photos under recommended called people nearby but it not available in Thailand.

I am using the iPhone line app version 6. 9. 0 from the US App Store. Maybe you have to use a proxy to get to the US App Store to download this version of line. I didn't realize the versions were geo specific.

Also, I do find people nearby when in Thailand. I don't know if they can find me though.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1969405]It must be region exclusive. I would bet Mr E's Google play store account is not from Thailand. Anyways the point is you won't see Thai ladies on there I that feature is not available on Thailand accounts of Google and the App Store. I see an app in his photos under recommended called people nearby but it not available in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I think Bkk is on to something. My girl who is a taxi driver sent me screenshots from her Line. Same version but must be regional differences.

OK we all get it now. It is not possible to find line contacts of ladies you have not met from line itself so enough lets get back to helpful and informative mongering reports thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Broxy;1969522]OK we all get it now. It is not possible to find line contacts of ladies you have not met from line itself so enough lets get back to helpful and informative mongering reports thanks guys.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry. But who in the world are you? Jackson? I think not.

Let them have their say. And frankly it was related, and somewhat of a welcome change. People were being sincere and trying to find new avenues and paths for contacts, that's all.

Too much of what I see here was "the same shit, different day " (as the saying goes) . Anyway. IMO.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1969466]I think Bkk is on to something. My girl who is a taxi driver sent me screenshots from her Line. Same version but must be regional differences.[/QUOTE]My phone is jailbroken so I can spoof my location to appear like I am in Thailand (or anywhere else in the world). I just "placed" myself on Sukhumvit Soi 11 and got a bunch of hits on the US version of Line for people nearby. Seems like quite a few are dudes, but there are lots of women nearby, too. WeChat gets me many more hits.

[QUOTE=Broxy;1969522]OK we all get it now. It is not possible to find line contacts of ladies you have not met from line itself so enough lets get back to helpful and informative mongering reports thanks guys.[/QUOTE]As everyone knows, I am the biggest advocate for not posting off topic posts but if Line had the searching people nearby function in Thailand, that would be huge for the mongeromg scene. Very few Thais play we chat so that is why it is not so crowded. But line on the other hand, it would be heaven since all Thai ladies are using it.

So dude, this conversation is in the right thread for sure because it is disxussing how to meet more ladies.

Fellas,

I am returning to Pattaya after a 10 year absence for what might be my last ride. Between reading the form and v blogs, I see a lot has changed. A Hooter and a Hilton? I probably won't recognize the place. But my biggest question is if one of the Discos off the beaten path is still around. Used to take a motor bike ride between 5 to 10 minutes from walking street to what I believe the name was Disco Duck. Only other thing I remember about the place, is that there was a tiny little liquor store outside where I'd buy the alcohol from to take into the disco.

Please tell me the Disco Duck still exists, or that is under a new name.

Thanks in advance.

Guys, I am in Pattaya tonight for a day. It was an unplanned visit hence could RTFF. Tried Insomnia last night but it was average. How is Mixx Discotheque please share feedback. I am at Siam Bayshore. Seniors please advice.

Thanks in advance.

Best.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Fairfromjerz;1969863]Please tell me the Disco Duck still exists, or that is under a new name.[/QUOTE]In 8 years I never saw nor heard about a disco with this name.

[QUOTE=ItsEnjoy;1970102]Guys, I am in Pattaya tonight for a day. It was an unplanned visit hence could RTFF. Tried Insomnia last night but it was average. How is Mixx Discotheque please share feedback. I am at Siam Bayshore. [/QUOTE]You stay in WS and your hotel is very near Mixx Disco, so why not just walk in and check if you like the club or not. Some people like this disco some not. I heard you can find russian P4P there among thais.

[QUOTE=Fairfromjerz;1969863]Fellas,

I am returning to Pattaya after a 10 year absence for what might be my last ride. Between reading the form and v blogs, I see a lot has changed. A Hooter and a Hilton? I probably won't recognize the place. But my biggest question is if one of the Discos off the beaten path is still around. Used to take a motor bike ride between 5 to 10 minutes from walking street to what I believe the name was Disco Duck. Only other thing I remember about the place, is that there was a tiny little liquor store outside where I'd buy the alcohol from to take into the disco.

Please tell me the Disco Duck still exists, or that is under a new name.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Ancient history. It is closed now. It was in or near a hotel on Central Road, called "Little Duck Resort". The hotel still exists under the name "Bella Express".

[URL]http://www.pattayaone.com/littleduckresort.html[/URL]

I see much discussion about finding line ID for girls you have not already met and I have tried all suggestions mentioned but had no success on my line app to find contacts. I found a site called Bangkok backpage and if you click on escorts you find many independent ladies who list their line ID as a contact and many would be willing to travel to Pattaya for the night at a cost.

Could be worth considering? If any member knows of similar sites exclusive to Pattaya ladies giving line ID please let us know thanks guys.

I've been told that today is a public holiday here in Thailand; the kings birthday. I spoke to a girl in a bar yesterday and she didn't know if the bar she was working in would be open today or not.

Does someone know what today will be like, if bars will be open or not, in general. Or if most bars will be open like normal but with the exception that they will not serve alcohol? Maybe they will not play so loud music too?

[QUOTE=Broxy;1970333]I found a site called Bangkok backpage and if you click on escorts you find many independent ladies who list their line ID as a contact and many would be willing to travel to Pattaya for the night at a cost.[/QUOTE]"Importing" a Bangkok escort to Pattaya and paying for her travel?

That is easily the most funny thing I've read in ages!

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;1970429]I've been told that today is a public holiday here in Thailand; the kings birthday. I spoke to a girl in a bar yesterday and she didn't know if the bar she was working in would be open today or not.

Does someone know what today will be like, if bars will be open or not, in general. Or if most bars will be open like normal but with the exception that they will not serve alcohol? Maybe they will not play so loud music too?[/QUOTE]I would forget about bars for tonight. I assume most bars will close. I can contact most of my girls independently though on LINE App.

Take an MP girl or freelance.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1970443]I would forget about bars for tonight. I assume most bars will close. I can contact most of my girls independently though on LINE App.

Take an MP girl or freelance.[/QUOTE]Ok, so it seems like most bars will be closed tonight. I guess I will be out tonight anyway and just for the sake of it I will go to Walking Street and maybe Soi 6 and it will be a different and interesting experience to walk in these streets and find them all deserted and quiet.

Your advice to contact a girl through Line is probably the best advice for tonight and I might do just that.

[QUOTE=Broxy;1970333]I see much discussion about finding line ID for girls you have not already met and I have tried all suggestions mentioned but had no success on my line app to find contacts. I found a site called Bangkok backpage and if you click on escorts you find many independent ladies who list their line ID as a contact and many would be willing to travel to Pattaya for the night at a cost.

Could be worth considering? If any member knows of similar sites exclusive to Pattaya ladies giving line ID please let us know thanks guys.[/QUOTE]Importing Bangkok escort in Pattaya isn't worth IMO. Don't have a webstie like backpage o craiglist for Pattaya, but you can use Thaifriendly and Badoo for contact some girls and ask for their Line ID. Or try to use WeChat and search for people nearby.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;1970429]I've been told that today is a public holiday here in Thailand; the kings birthday. I spoke to a girl in a bar yesterday and she didn't know if the bar she was working in would be open today or not.[/QUOTE]Bars will likely open at midnight. Sorry not in Pattaya this week or I'd ask some of my girls for you. Good night to stroll Beach Road freelancers. I find these are the nights when you see more than usual.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1970464]Sorry not in Pattaya this week or I'd ask some of my girls for you.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your concern, that's very kind of you. But I already have contact with a few girls in Line and I am thinking of contacting one of them.

I ran into a girl with big boobs some days ago in a restaurant and got her Line. And today could be the right day to try and meet her since other options will not be so good because of the holiday.

Hi there.

I will be in Pattaya 8th December to 12th December staying around soi 2.

Was just wondering if anyone was around and was up for meeting for a few drinks and showing a relative new comer the ropes, as it were.

Me, British born Indian. Well travelled and experienced in other parts of the world.

Easy company.

Can either reply here or PM me.

Jack.

Has anyone travelled alone to Thailand? Is it safe to visit Thailand alone? How safe is it to visit in December? Anything as a Indian we have to be careful of. Have read few reviews on the internet that Indians have a quite bad reputation in Thailand may be I am wrong and just read reviews that shows negatively.

Just want to hear your experiences and thoughts.

[QUOTE=AcidBurns;1970562]Has anyone travelled alone to Thailand? Is it safe to visit Thailand alone? How safe is it to visit in December? Anything as a Indian we have to be careful of. Have read few reviews on the internet that Indians have a quite bad reputation in Thailand may be I am wrong and just read reviews that shows negatively.

Just want to hear your experiences and thoughts.[/QUOTE]Hi Acid!

You must be a joker, right? "Has anyone travelled alone to Thailand?" LOL. The short answer is YES. (In fact millions have travelled to Thailand alone. And it is quite safe).

I like that you are aware of the reputation of your fellow countrymen. It is mostly true. So my best advise is actually that you travel alone, dress nicely and act like a gentleman. Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=AcidBurns;1970562]Has anyone travelled alone to Thailand?[/QUOTE]Yes, I always travel alone, first time I had 21 yo.

[QUOTE=AcidBurns;1970562] Is it safe to visit Thailand alone? How safe is it to visit in December? [/QUOTE]Is always safe, safety don't change from month to month.

[QUOTE=AcidBurns;1970562] Anything as a Indian we have to be careful of. [/QUOTE]If you act respectfully and pay the right price without insisting too much on the bargain, ask for discounts, ecc... you will be fine. I read that some clubs have a "door policy" and don't want Indian.

Planning to come to Pattaya for my 3rd visit on December 27-30. Knowing that this is high season- any tips from senior member. How much extra I have to pay for bar fine. Does the amount of girls also increase in high season or people have to fight for good ones?

Any suggestions will be helpful.

P.S.: I am already paying 100+ per night for hotel. And my favorite hotel Baraquda already sold out.

I just want to thank all the board members for all the great info that you provide it helped out greatly on my first trip. The biggest lesson I learned from my two weeks was the time split between Bangkok and Pattaya I did 5 nights in Bangkok and six nights in Pattaya The next trip and yes there will be a next trip I will only spend 3 days in Bangkok and the rest in Pattaya and I will do the Bangkok at the end of my trip for easy access to airport. Soi 6 is just a wonder land of women. Also use the 45 baht airport line if you can, very easy to get into Bangkok and try to book a hotel close to the BTS line Just so easy to get around.

Thanks again Panhead.

[QUOTE=AcidBurns;1970562] Has anyone travelled alone to Thailand? [/QUOTE]Yes, I always travel alone to Thailand.

[QUOTE=AcidBurns;1970562] Is it safe to visit Thailand alone? How safe is it to visit in December? [/QUOTE]If you are traveling to Phuket, Bangkok or Pattaya, then, I can say it is safe as I have been to these places before many times without encountering any sort of problem.

[QUOTE=AcidBurns;1970562] Anything as a Indian we have to be careful of. Have read few reviews on the internet that Indians have a quite bad reputation in Thailand may be I am wrong and just read reviews that shows negatively. [/QUOTE]If you dress nicely and act as a gentleman, everything will be OK.

For those who have made trips to Pattaya recently on holiday, what was your total budget like?

I have not been to Thailand for a while and am planning to budget for an upcoming trip around 2000 dollars total for about 10 days, not including hotel cost. That does not mean I'll spend all of that money but just what I was able to have in my savings until now for any future trips. I am not planning to barfine anyone from a gogo due to the high costs of both the barfine and the girl's fee, and who knows how much girls are asking these days.

I plan to stick to Soi 6 or massages for release every few days. Being older I have no need to have sex everyday as the desire is no longer there and am slowing down. I plan on going to a few gogo's just to see some old friends and enjoy the atmosphere. For food I usually stick to restaurants like in the malls or some sit down western style places so that would probably be my biggest expense next to women.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1969571]My phone is jailbroken so I can spoof my location to appear like I am in Thailand (or anywhere else in the world). I just "placed" myself on Sukhumvit Soi 11 and got a bunch of hits on the US version of Line for people nearby. Seems like quite a few are dudes, but there are lots of women nearby, too. WeChat gets me many more hits.[/QUOTE]A number of people have asked how I did this. My iphone is jailbroken. That is the first step. Then you have to download an app on the Cydia Store (only available on Jailbroken Iphones) called GPSCheat. That free app allows you to fake your location to an individual program on your phone, or to the entire phone. That way it appears that your phone is in Thailand when you are in California. Or it appears you are in New York when you are having a beer at Nana Plaza. It's really cool, but once again, it only works on jailbroken Iphones. If you haven't run jailbreak and you are on IOS 10, there is currently no jailbreak available to you. Hopefully that will change in the near future. Good luck and happy hunting.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1970697]For those who have made trips to Pattaya recently on holiday, what was your total budget like?

I have not been to Thailand for a while and am planning to budget for an upcoming trip around 2000 dollars total for about 10 days, not including hotel cost. That does not mean I'll spend all of that money but just what I was able to have in my savings until now for any future trips. I am not planning to barfine anyone from a gogo due to the high costs of both the barfine and the girl's fee, and who knows how much girls are asking these days.

I plan to stick to Soi 6 or massages for release every few days. Being older I have no need to have sex everyday as the desire is no longer there and am slowing down. I plan on going to a few gogo's just to see some old friends and enjoy the atmosphere. For food I usually stick to restaurants like in the malls or some sit down western style places so that would probably be my biggest expense next to women.[/QUOTE]You can read my reports from a few weeks ago about my mongering expenses. Typically 1300 to 1500 baht per girl on Soi 6 for BF and for the girl, plus whatever you buy you and her to drink. That equates to roughly $50 per girl. Transportation expenses are hardly worth considering if you use the baht buses. I spent about $3000 for mongering over 10 days there, but I was with 2 to 3 girls per day, plus doing some gogo girls.

If you are not figuring hotel costs and airline fares, and you use the buses and and are not living too high on the hog, $2 K will be way more than enough. But if you arebtaking the time and expense to go there, even if you are older (as I am), you may as well enjoy it and go for all you can!

[QUOTE=David2;1964354]I really enjoyed your reports. It takes a real man to share not only his conquests, but also his failures. Thanks for taking the time to publish your adventures.

If you hadn't mentioned your advancing age, I would have guessed you were a virile young man based on the sheer number of women that you were with. Unbelievable. You are the man 😎.

I'd love to know how old you are. How about letting us in on your secret age?

Thanks again for sharing.[/QUOTE]Haha. Thanks for the complement.

Early 60's, though most think I am much younger. Except for my problem, any way.

Not that virile as I hardly get any at home. I don't live in a big city and the prospects locally are slim, but that is ok. It is that I want to get my money's worth when I come to LOS! I travel a long way to get there, and I know my time is limited to do this, so I want to make the most of it while I can. Still, I mess up and I have problems and I don't mind sharing my "failures". I write mostly for my own future reference. Heck, I will admit that my reports from last year had me often not admitting when I didn't come, or saying I did when I didn't, to avoid looking like a pathetic old man. But I decided to be fully honest so I could keep track of myself. I am already planning my next trip and wondering if I will report on my comings and goings. As I said, I don't want to appear pathetic, but I have been contacted by a few you about my issue, so if I am helping someone by admitting my failures, then I guess it is a good thing. And I received an idea or two of possible help and, if that works, I will report it here.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1970736]You can read my reports from a few weeks ago about my mongering expenses. Typically 1300 to 1500 baht per girl on Soi 6 for BF and for the girl, plus whatever you buy you and her to drink. That equates to roughly $50 per girl. Transportation expenses are hardly worth considering if you use the baht buses. I spent about $3000 for mongering over 10 days there, but I was with 2 to 3 girls per day, plus doing some gogo girls.

If you are not figuring hotel costs and airline fares, and you use the buses and and are not living too high on the hog, $2 K will be way more than enough. But if you arebtaking the time and expense to go there, even if you are older (as I am), you may as well enjoy it and go for all you can![/QUOTE]Thanks FL Hawk. I read and really enjoyed your reports.

Like you mention I don't have a lot of expenses and some things like transportation are negligible. I just don't have that sexual power like I used to as I near my fifties. On my last trip I had trouble getting it up a few times here and there. Like you I travel far so I would love to live the life of debauchery and have 3-4 girls a day, but father time has not been kind to my libido. One shag every few days is enough. That's how I save money for that part of the trip unfortunately.

Maybe I need to have my test levels checked.

[QUOTE=ShamSagar;1686481]Hi All,

Will it be advisable to opt for Russian chick in Pattaya.

Are they friendly with Indians and are they pocket friendly.

Thanks in advance.

Sam.[/QUOTE]If they are true Russian bring a big wallet.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1970697]For those who have made trips to Pattaya recently on holiday, what was your total budget like?

I have not been to Thailand for a while and am planning to budget for an upcoming trip around 2000 dollars total for about 10 days, not including hotel cost. That does not mean I'll spend all of that money but just what I was able to have in my savings until now for any future trips. I am not planning to barfine anyone from a gogo due to the high costs of both the barfine and the girl's fee, and who knows how much girls are asking these days.

I plan to stick to Soi 6 or massages for release every few days. Being older I have no need to have sex everyday as the desire is no longer there and am slowing down. I plan on going to a few gogo's just to see some old friends and enjoy the atmosphere. For food I usually stick to restaurants like in the malls or some sit down western style places so that would probably be my biggest expense next to women.[/QUOTE]I'm not a spring chicken either anymore and my "three girls a day"-days are long past, so my budget might be of interest to you:

I budget about 2000 baht for a hotel per night and I try to have breakfast included in that price. If not I add 200 baht extra and that will buy me a generous breakfast.

Lunch and dinner together another 400 baht, although if I restrict myself to streetfood, I can easily halve the cost.

Some drinks (non alcoholic) and fruits during the day, say another 200 baht.

The bare necessities of life will cost me 2800 baht per day. I add a reserve of about 500 baht per day for any extra's, such as local transportation, visiting some sites, buying a book or newspaper, some souvenirs, perhaps some blue or yellow pills every so often. Say in total about 3500 baht per day and then I don't have to be misery. 10 days is 35000 baht or about 1000 USD.

For my "entertainment", I mix ST and LT. One day I will arrange an LT overnight companion and I budget 4500 baht for her, incuding barfine and some drinks for me and her (Note: I don't drink alcolhol). The next day I will either abstain from sex (in case I got a nice morning romp with the LT girl) or perhaps a happy ending massage or a Soi 6 quickie. That shouldn't cost me more than 1500 baht, perhaps even less. Total entertainment budget for 10 days: 5 x 4500 + 5 x 1500 = 30000 baht or 850 USD.

A budget of 2000 USD for 10 days is certainly feasable. It will not support anything extravagant, but neither do you have to rough it.

[QUOTE=ShamSagar;1686481]Hi All,

Will it be advisable to opt for Russian chick in Pattaya.

Are they friendly with Indians and are they pocket friendly.

Thanks in advance.

Sam.[/QUOTE]When in Rome behave like a roman, and same applies to Pattaya. You shall find many Russian options but either they won't be worth the price or some kind of con job. So enjoy the awesome service of Thai gals when you there. If need any help from an Indian perspective feel free to pm me.

Cheers.

I will travel to Pattaya for about a week in February, am considering a hotel in Jomtien Beach to "get away a little bit" from Walking Street etc. Would like comments relating to if this area is too far away from the action in town and if there is any action in this area at night, (not gay action). Hotel references "Super Town" entertainment area with outside bars etc. , any knowledge or information on this would be great as well as opinions. Also any freelancers in this area or 'take away ladies'.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;1971035]I will travel to Pattaya for about a week in February, am considering a hotel in Jomtien Beach to "get away a little bit" from Walking Street etc. Would like comments relating to if this area is too far away from the action in town and if there is any action in this area at night, (not gay action). Hotel references "Super Town" entertainment area with outside bars etc. , any knowledge or information on this would be great as well as opinions. Also any freelancers in this area or 'take away ladies'.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]When I went to Pattaya, I always stayed in the Jomtien area. If you are on or near Jomtien's beach road, it is easy to get a 10 baht ride to Pattaya wiith any of the songthaews.

For "local" entertainment, there are some beer bars and girlie bars, the usual massage places and even an agogo-club or two in the beach road sois. Nothing that compares with Pattaya of course, but I never had to spend my night alone if I didn't want to.

And if you really want to bring your Pattaya sweetie to Jomtien, a taxi is not too expensive and I have even seen some guys bring their girl with a bahtbus.

Hotels are abundant in Jomtien. Just look at the usual hotel booking sites. For a medium length stay I usually book a studio or small apartment.

Can someone tell me how much extras at an oily massage are supposed to cost? I have been quoted outrageous prices of late. I did give in to a 500 baht HJ today only because the girl was super hot with big tits. She wanted another 500 baht to be topless.

Excluding Soi Honey places which are in line with Soi 6 pricing, what are the prices over and above the 200-300 baht massage price are you guys are currently being quoted for:

topless/naked?
HJ?
BJ?
Boom boom?

Particularly interested in 2nd Road near Kiss Restaurant, Soi Buakhao, Soi 25, Soi 3, Soi 13/1 and 13/2.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1971240]Can someone tell me how much extras at an oily massage are supposed to cost? I have been quoted outrageous prices of late. I did give in to a 500 baht HJ today only because the girl was super hot with big tits. She wanted another 500 baht to be topless.

Excluding Soi Honey places which are in line with Soi 6 pricing, what are the prices over and above the 200-300 baht massage price are you guys are currently being quoted for:

topless/naked?
HJ?
BJ?
Boom boom?

Particularly interested in 2nd Road near Kiss Restaurant, Soi Buakhao, Soi 25, Soi 3, Soi 13/1 and 13/2.[/QUOTE]Are you taking HJ to save money or you really prefer it?

If it was me I would just get her naked from the get go, and fuck her, and maybe even forget to receive a massage. All this haggling over topless, etc. Seems silly.

I understand the girl needs to make money and massage fee just doesn't cut it. There are more massage girls than there are customers.

Apologies, obviously I am not the type to be able to shed any light on your questions. I do remember 25 years ago going to Chawala Massage where girls wore a uniform and shorts and were not allowed to take them off. So fingers would go up the leg of her shorts, inside the knickers, and into her pussy. Can't remember now if girls could take top off, certainly unclip bra. She could blow the customer or do HJ but could not fuck unless you manage it with her tight shorts still on. LOL These girls would often meet customer after work though, to get everything off and fuck properly. I was not aware of fully legit massage places in those days. Perhaps they existed but I was not interested.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1971240]Particularly interested in 2nd Road near Kiss Restaurant, Soi Buakhao, Soi 25, Soi 3, Soi 13/1 and 13/2.[/QUOTE]I'm not a oil massage fan, sometimes I check soi honey and soi chaiyapoon and ask for FS, no massage for me. Few times I stop in a oil massage shops around the town (second road, soi buakhao, soi 13/2 and others) and ask what is available, some place claim no FS, only HJ (500 b) and BBBJ (1000 b), some other shops I had girl try to charge 2000 baht or 3000 baht for FS, for all of these it is simply NO thanks for me and move next.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1971250]I'm not a oil massage fan, sometimes I check soi honey and soi chaiyapoon and ask for FS, no massage for me. Few times I stop in a oil massage shops around the town (second road, soi buakhao, soi 13/2 and others) and ask what is available, some place claim no FS, only HJ (500 b) and BBBJ (1000 b), some other shops I had girl try to charge 2000 baht or 3000 baht for FS, for all of these it is simply NO thanks for me and move next.[/QUOTE]I'm not an oily massage fan by any means either but if that's where the hot girl works I will see her. Yes, my prices quoted are consistent with what you posted above.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1971247]If it was me I would just get her naked from the get go, and fuck her, and maybe even forget to receive a massage. All this haggling over topless, etc. Seems silly.
[/QUOTE]See above for the current pricing in Pattaya. You may be ok with just paying current prices but I am not paying 3000 baht (plus 200-300 door fee) for FS on a mattress on a floor behind some curtains in a seedy oily massage shop.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1971247]Are you taking HJ to save money or you really prefer it?[/QUOTE]No but if that is where the hot girl works I will see her in her work environment first. If I like her I will take her home. Like the one I just saw today I am weighing out if she is worth gogo girl type money to bring her home.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1971252]
See above for the current pricing in Pattaya. You may be ok with just paying current prices but I am not paying 3000 baht (plus 200-300 door fee) for FS on a mattress on a floor behind some curtains in a seedy oily massage shop.

No but if that is where the hot girl works I will see her in her work environment first. If I like her I will take her home. Like the one I just saw today I am weighing out if she is worth gogo girl type money to bring her home.[/QUOTE]Ok Ha Ha. If girl asks too much for sex, then clearly she does not want to fuck me, like what can happen at Thermae. LOL. I had assumed 1500 would be max tip for sex in an Oily MP, unless something extra special desired. However a super hot girl would pull me too, even if asking a bit more. Might be easier to go to all inclusive establishments, I guess. I have got completely out of the habit of bargaining. My last 3 new girl tries at bars have been all without a specified amount to be paid, as I remember it, and all three were great GFE.

I keep feeling that the less I want to pay, the less the girl will give. Free lancer prices have been giving me less satisfactory sessions. I feel like saying to the girl how much you are happy with for FS, DFK, GFE, and full hour, if a freelancer, and if a bargirl, just make sure she is into dick and kissing.

I know I can get a freelancer for 1 K+ but I certainly don't know if can get an acceptable session for that here in BKK. I will be probably telling the girl there will be a 500 Baht bonus for making an excellent GFE with DFK. One freelancer is very keen to meet me again (she needs money LOL), but she could improve the DFK.

If super hot girls are doing something for me like massage, it is very hard for me to resist taking full service and fucking them. Seems like a crime to leave her pussy unfucked, and I would be always left wondered how good a fuck she might have been. LOL It's even worse maybe than for some of the very hottest girls I ever fucked, I only got to do once, before they disappeared. To have missed the fuck completely leaves the hotty shrouded in mystery.

My only once fucked stunners were: Angie (Cherry massage), Nat (Crazy House), and Cindy (in Stuttgart). All 3 had big natural tits. I have pined for the later two girls for many years as they were unforgettable. Cindy was over 10 years ago but probably most beautiful girl, lively and vivacious, I ever fucked in Germany. She came for me a second day but I could not do her due to Prawns food poisoning (a catastrophe). Actually there was another very pretty girl I got to try just once at Thonglor 3 Massage. The name escapes me now. Too long ago.

The most stunning girls should not last long.

If a girl in a BJ shop, happens to really appeal to me, I cannot leave it at a BJ. I have to book them for FS.

Guys,

I am pecking this out on my tablet so pardon if this is brief and looks messed up. Got into Pattaya at 6 am on the bus trip from hell after a visit to Sukhothai. My first ST just left. As of an hour ago it appears girls were lined Beach Road as far as the eye could see each way. Where to start? I was surprised so many looked so good! Yeah there was everything out there; a sumo size chick, many Africans but no overabundance of Ladyboys like I have been seeing all day. In a word: awesome. I was afraid I wouldn't be able to make up my mind when I made eye contact with a tiny thing that looked like a doll. I asked how much and she said 800. Done! Said she was 22 and that jibbed with her ID. She was an ethnic Laotian named Lin. Took her to my room on Soi Post Office and she was even smaller when she stepped out of her heels. Her mouth was too small for a serious suck. Took extra lube to get in her tiny twat but she was able to handle a brisk boom boom without complaint. She lingered around and wanted to Dee photos of my son and my Thanksgiving family photos. Not a porn star but a sweet girl and worthwhile.

This place is awesome. I met some friendly Brits and they showed me around and offered some good tips. I will post a full report when I can get to a keyboard.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1970894]Thanks FL Hawk. I read and really enjoyed your reports.

Like you mention I don't have a lot of expenses and some things like transportation are negligible. I just don't have that sexual power like I used to as I near my fifties. On my last trip I had trouble getting it up a few times here and there. Like you I travel far so I would love to live the life of debauchery and have 3-4 girls a day, but father time has not been kind to my libido. One shag every few days is enough. That's how I save money for that part of the trip unfortunately.

Maybe I need to have my test levels checked.[/QUOTE]Even if you can't come, as long as you can get it up, you may as well enjoy the ladies. It is still fun. And even if you can't get it up (fortunately I don't have that problem yet), you can still go in and spend time with the ladies. One time I was tired and simply Bar Fined a girl just to go to my hotel and take a nap with me. She thought I was nuts (and I was), but it was nice just sleeping next to a warm person. But get your levels checked and as long as you have the desire, go have fun.

First, I like to add to the discussion about room fees in Soi 6. 300 has been the standard price but now it seems like prices are going up. I know that the bars of one and the same owner, like Night Wish, Sexy in the City, Horny Bar to name a few, all have the 350 Baht pricing. But today and yesterday I have been in two other bars which doesn't belong to this group of bars, and I paid 350 for the room in both of them.

Today I was in MissBHaven and yesterday I was in the Bull Dog Bar and they both charged 350 for their rooms. Maybe this is indicating that more bars in Soi 6 are raising their prices from 300 to 350 now?

Yesterday I spotted a woman in the Bull Dog Bar and I noticed from far that she had really big boobs. Unfortunately she was a bad choice for me and my worst experience in Soi 6 so far. In the room I wanted her to stand in front of me but she wanted to sit down all the time, on the bed. She was reluctant to the most simple thing as to stand straight up on the floor in front of me. Eventually she gave in and agreed to stand on the floor, so I could get a (good) look at her. She had long hair and covered half of her boobs with her hair and I asked her to pull her hair back not to cover her boobs. First she didn't want to do this but after asking her more than one time she reluctantly agreed to pull her hair back.

I asked how old she was and she said 24 but she must have been at least around 30 yo. Still, her boobs looked great and were perfectly soft but at the same time firm to touch. And oh, she said to me that I shouldn't touch her boobs too much because she could feel some pain when her boobs were touched. This is probably the most kind of bullshit I have been told by a working girl. I mean, come on, pain in the boobs just by touching them in a very normal way and not even hard at all?

I didn't feel like having sex with her so I had her to jerk me off while I was touching her boobs. It was OK so I came to this but the conclusion of my short time session with her is that she was a bad experience and I advise all of you to avoid the big boob girl in the Bull Dog Bar. She is a bad experience and not worth it at all. I don't remember her name but her boobs can't be missed.

Today I spotted another girl with big tits and it was in the bar MissBHaven. It was a cute 19 yo girl and she was new in the bar and had only worked there for seven days. I could notice in her behavior that she was new to this, or at least to the thing as of working in this kind of bar. She told me that she had a baby which was five months old, which now stayed with her mother and her big boobs were so big because they were filled with milk.

I tried her in the room and she was good enough and the boobs had milk and after a while of touching her boobs, milk was coming out, dripping. It wasn't a turn on for me but I know that some guys like these things and to suck milk from a woman's breast. I never asked if I could suck some milk from her tits but maybe she would agree to it. So if someone who likes to suck milk from a girls breast is reading this, my advice is to go to the MissBHaven bar and ask Kathy if it is alright to do that from her.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1970971]I'm not a spring chicken either anymore and my "three girls a day"-days are long past, so my budget might be of interest to you:

I budget about 2000 baht for a hotel per night and I try to have breakfast included in that price. If not I add 200 baht extra and that will buy me a generous breakfast.

Lunch and dinner together another 400 baht, although if I restrict myself to streetfood, I can easily halve the cost.

Some drinks (non alcoholic) and fruits during the day, say another 200 baht.

The bare necessities of life will cost me 2800 baht per day. I add a reserve of about 500 baht per day for any extra's, such as local transportation, visiting some sites, buying a book or newspaper, some souvenirs, perhaps some blue or yellow pills every so often. Say in total about 3500 baht per day and then I don't have to be misery. 10 days is 35000 baht or about 1000 USD..[/QUOTE]Thank you, that sounds like a reasonable budget.

The non sexual expenses are pretty low for me in Thailand. I don't count hotel and flight since those are paid with credit cards. I don't spend too much money on food, mostly street food or maybe food court at Central Festival. Sometimes I might eat at KFC or so. Occasionally I like to watch a movie. But mostly I like to walk around for exercise or sit at the beach and don't spend much money. That is where my cost savings are.

I might only have sex 5 days out of 10.

Dear all,

I was wondering if anybody could provide some light I can get A+ service at Honey Massage, even for some hundred more bucks is fine. I'm considering to hit a massage with A+ service once I check-in and get freshen up, DD girls are too rough but my last option.

In this matter I'm okay with any place to get A+ except GoGo / Freelancers, just get somewhere finish the damn business and head back to hotel.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;1971456]First, I like to add to the discussion about room fees in Soi 6. 300 has been the standard price but now it seems like prices are going up. I know that the bars of one and the same owner, like Night Wish, Sexy in the City, Horny Bar to name a few, all have the 350 Baht pricing. But today and yesterday I have been in two other bars which doesn't belong to this group of bars, and I paid 350 for the room in both of them.

Today I was in MissBHaven and yesterday I was in the Bull Dog Bar and they both charged 350 for their rooms. Maybe this is indicating that more bars in Soi 6 are raising their prices from 300 to 350 now?
[/QUOTE]As I wrote before some bar like Red Point is already 4 years that charge 350 baht for room. Miss be Heaven is a new bar just open a month ago. Ruby, Chili, Viking, 3 Angeles, Route69 are still 300 baht for room, I don't know about many other bars, but I think My Friend You, CLick, and some other bar next are still 300 baht.

Had an excellent short time session today at My Friend You on Soi 6. Cost was 1000 total. No barfine or charge for use of the room upstairs. This place already advertises cheap beer and I think they are out to be the low-cost leader on this Soi, judging from comments about prices rising at the other bars. The provider was not terribly attractive but damn did she have skills. Off to Beach Road for a last look before I go home.

This is a quick rundown of my last trip to Pattaya late Nov. I stayed about 10 days and was solo the whole time, but had a good time. Soi 6 was my go to spot and pulled some nice ones there. I never hang out at any bar there or buy drinks. Just stroll up and down until a chick that I like makes a pitch, then it's up to the room. Most of the girls tried to get me inside to buy a drink, but if they were good enough to get me to stop and talk, and I was convinced that they were good to go, I just told them that I just wanted to boom boom and off we went.

Like someone else reported, although most places charged $300 be barfine, The Pussy Club and Horny Bar charged $350 be. The girls all charged the usual $1000 be. BBBJ was standard with all the girls there. DFK varied, mostly either none or light kisses. I had one babe who was a dud there. She spent about 10 minutes giving me a thorough wash down in the shower before the deed. Although she did BBBJ, I was turned off by the constant spitting into the tissue. She had a nice slim body and tits, but was probably the worst hit I had on this trip. I think I had her at the Hero Club. Also I'm not sure of the time limit, but another babe allowed me to get a second hit after the hour mark and said that the owner didn't have a problem with anyone staying past the hour. We ended going about 30 minutes past that time. I was wondering if that was common at the bars on Soi 6.

I hit a couple of massage places on Soi 11 and on Soi 13/1. The one on Soi 11 by Soi Buakhau was called Paradise and I've been there before on a previous trip. They charged 1200 be, which included an oil massage if you wanted one. They have one room with multiple beds separated by curtains, so you can hear others banging away nearby. The babe was young and cute, did a short BBBJ, and the rest was so so.

The other one on 13/1 between 2nd Rd and Beach Rd, had the standard pricing for massages posted. I wasn't sure if it offered extra at first. The cute girl chasing me down was what drew me in. But with the way she was coming on to me, I cut to the chase and asked about boom boom and she was down. Now Banana Boi asked about this before, but the babe initially asked for $2000 be plus the $300 for the oil massage. I managed to talk her down to $1300 be plus the $300 be for the oil massage, which turned out not to be all that good. The room was a decent sized room with a bathroom. The place was called Supanida Massage and had some other cuties working there too. I wanted to return and hit a couple of the others, but didn't make it back.

One day when I was thinking of something different to do, I remembered reading guys on here talk about Kinnaree. I did a quick search for the posts about the place and then checked it out on the map app on my phone. I decided to give it a try since I have never been to Jontiem. I took a baht bus to South Rd and then one of the queued up baht buses on the road leading to Jontiem. I made sure I monitored the GPS map of my phone, so I didn't pass my stop. At the stop that I exited, I walked almost a mile to get to Kinnaree Pl and found it without any problems thanks to the GPS. I got there about 3 pm and there were a few guys, but not packed. It wasn't on the day of the buffet, but I decided to have the roast beef sandwich to kill time and give me time to scope the joint without being interrupted. The place was nice and there were quite a few babes. A handful looked good, but a few seemed decent and older. A few made their rounds and propositioned me, but I used the excuse of me eating to keep them at bay. When I finally finished eating a nice looking slim babe came up to me just in time, before the other sharks returned. I immediately said ok, bought her a drink and off we went.

The babe was 27 year old with a slim nice body and nice face. She did the standard BBBJ and FS in different positions, but she got me when she set up for a bbbjtcim at the end, which I happily obliged. I paid the babe $1 k baht and then the bar bill, which included $350 be for the room and another almost $500 be for food, lady drink and my drink. I wanted to return and try the buffet on Wednesdays, but didn't make it back.

I hit Walking Street a few times at night, but not too many. I didn't hit any gogo's at all (only briefly entered a couple during my first trip). My go to place was 808. Although I've had a couple of good ones out of Insomnia and Ibar in the past, I couldn't take the music and how crowded it was. Usually after eating a late meal at The NY Dinner I would walk through the place, but would immediately leave because of the reasons I stated.

808 to me was always off the hook. Especially if you like listening to hip hop. Plus to me the babes look more appealing, particularly if you like bigger asses and more flavor to your girl (IMHO). Although I like the place, I only pulled once out of there this trip, since I usually had my fix for the day, so I wasn't going out of my way. Plus another thing that I usually experience with the club freelancers was that they always overstayed. These Thai girls sure love to sleep. I'm not big on longtime, so I never talk about that with the babes during negotiations. If they stay they stay, if not I was cool with it. That's pretty much been my MO at every other place that I mongered. The one babe I pulled out of 808/ Flex (met at 808, but went to Flex afterwards), did not leave till almost the evening and she slept almost the whole time. Good thing it was raining hard most of the day, so I let it slide, but for me it seems to be a common thing with the Thai babes.

I hit the soupy once towards the end, which I usually try once a trip. I went to Sabai Room in the evening. Usually the looks of the girls at the soupies are not that appealing to me. I hate the heavy white make up a lot of them wear, which in some cases make them look like ladyboys to me. But I found one cutie in the cheap section ($2100 b) of the fishbowl. She was a little darker than most of the girls and wasn't wearing the heavy white make up. She had a great personality and spoke good English, but turned out to be a lot older than I expected. She looked a lot younger and she had a pretty face and slim body. The mat play was typical and the sex was okay, although as usual she provided CBJ, which is my usual experience at the soupies. This time around, I mostly went with the soupy to change it up a little and because I wanted to ease up on the use of cash, since I had been using all cash up until that point. They accept credit card, but charge a 3% fee.

In closing, Pattaya is an awesome mongering destination. It took me years to finally make the trip there and it's been great. Pretty sure the vets have seen better days, but as a newbie seeing what I've seen, the old days must have been beyond heaven, LOL. The trips to Thailand have been running for less than $500 from the west coast the last few months and looks like it might be the same next year from about late Feb to May. If that ends up being the case, I know where I will be returning in the spring, LOL!

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1971718]As I wrote before some bar like Red Point is already 4 years that charge 350 baht for room. Miss be Heaven is a new bar just open a month ago. Ruby, Chili, Viking, 3 Angeles, Route69 are still 300 baht for room, I don't know about many other bars, but I think My Friend You, CLick, and some other bar next are still 300 baht.[/QUOTE]OK, thanks for the info and the clarification. Since I have been paying 350 Baht for all the rooms lately, when picking bars randomly, I was guessing that the 350 price was reflecting prices in general. Now I know better that still many bars stick to the 300 pricing for their rooms.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1971681]Dear all,
I was wondering if anybody could provide some light I can get A+ service at Honey Massage, even for some hundred more bucks is fine. I'm considering to hit a massage with A+ service once I check-in and get freshen up, DD girls are too rough but my last option.
In this matter I'm okay with any place to get A+ except GoGo / Freelancers, just get somewhere finish the damn business and head back to hotel.[/QUOTE]If you mean Honey Bodymassage 1 and 2 I think isn't the best place for A+. Better you hit soi6 and ask to the girls directly is the best way, you could try also in soi Honey and soi Chaiyapoon, but probably soi6 is your best bet, some 3holers there and some bars specialized in A+ like Pook Bar LOL :-))))

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1970111]You stay in WS and your hotel is very near Mixx Disco, so why not just walk in and check if you like the club or not. Some people like this disco some not. I heard you can find russian P4P there among thais.[/QUOTE]Thanks CG for your advice. I did go there around 11.30 but it was almost empty hence went to Insomnia again and thankfully got a gem and had wonderful time with her.

[QUOTE=ItsEnjoy;1971839] I did go there around 11.30 but it was almost empty hence went to Insomnia again and thankfully got a gem and had wonderful time with her.[/QUOTE]I don't like to go in disco, but 11:30 pm is too early for a Pattaya Nightlife, good you got a gem somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Broxy;1970333]I see much discussion about finding line ID for girls you have not already met and I have tried all suggestions mentioned but had no success on my line app to find contacts. I found a site called Bangkok backpage and if you click on escorts you find many independent ladies who list their line ID as a contact and many would be willing to travel to Pattaya for the night at a cost.

Could be worth considering? If any member knows of similar sites exclusive to Pattaya ladies giving line ID please let us know thanks guys.[/QUOTE]Contacted Line Customer service and the option to search for people nearby is only available if your google play or App Store account is from the following countries:

This feature is limited in some countries only. Target Countries includes Cambodia, India, Myanmar, Vietnam, United States, Indonesia, Hong Kong and Macau.

Please see the screen shot from email response.

[QUOTE=Ee2002;1971798]
In closing, Pattaya is an awesome mongering destination. It took me years to finally make the trip there and it's been great. Pretty sure the vets have seen better days, but as a newbie seeing what I've seen, the old days must have been beyond heaven, LOL. The trips to Thailand have been running for less than $500 from the west coast the last few months and looks like it might be the same next year from about late Feb to May. If that ends up being the case, I know where I will be returning in the spring, LOL![/QUOTE]Indeed. I was there around the same time you were and, like you, am already starting to plan a trip back back spring as well, probably late April, after Songkran, into May! However, I can't stand a Pacific flight back in cattle class, so I upgrade to elite class on EVA. Rates up there are under $1500 for early spring.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1972495]Indeed. I was there around the same time you were and, like you, am already starting to plan a trip back back spring as well, probably late April, after Songkran, into May! However, I can't stand a Pacific flight back in cattle class, so I upgrade to elite class on EVA. Rates up there are under $1500 for early spring.[/QUOTE]Similar experience here. Just got back last night and my flight on EVA was half empty, and got to sleep well across three seats. The way over was the worst flight ever. Few empty seats, and no space in the overhead bins. Even the flight attendants couldn't find an place for my regulation size carry-on. So it sat under the seat in front of me for the duration of the 16 hour flight. No leg room, and my body was a wreck by the time I got to BKK. It was only $735 round trip, but an upgrade is in order. I spent the first afternoon in BKK getting a proper Thai massage trying to get my back in order!

But Patts is awesome and as another said, I don't know why it took me so long to get there. I got home and my brother was arguing with his high-maintenance, stewardess girlfriend (I could never imagine her giving the nice service those hot EVA stewardesses offered). Why he opts for that, I cannot imagine. But, he would have enjoyed his time better if he was hanging with me.

Walked Beach Road from Central to Walking Street Friday and Saturday night. Last night around 10:30 pm and tonight around 8:30 pm. Last night had several girls who could compete with top 10% on Soi 6. Tonight was a total waste of time. Quite a few girls both nights. Best patch was between Wave Hotel and soi 13/2. Several of the younger ones just had their heads buried in their phones. Too bad. A couple of the other cuter younger ones just looked bitter. For 700-1000 baht it's a deal but let's make it clear these girls can't compete with Baccara gogo girls.

Soi 6 at 10 pm Friday night. Didn't find anything except one cute one at Soho. Maybe all busy? Walked into Dolls gogo. My girl wasn't there so left. Nothing else for me in lineup.

Visited Baccara tonight before 9 pm and the mass exodus being barfined by the Japanese. Best current gogo club lineup in Pattaya or Bangkok. Trust me it takes a lot for me to say something is better than Sensations. I ended up with a cute little Japanese looking hostess. Not like some of the top models but I liked her. I didn't confirm the BF amount but one of the pretty gogo girls wanted 2500 ST which was very reasonable for her.

Visited Windmill tonight for the first time in months. Must say the lineup is great for Windmill standards. For some reason they put the younger cuter ones upstairs and leave the vets downstairs. Make sure you check out upstairs if you go there. Same Windmill fun. A great place if you want all natural girls. Not really my style but I still managed to find 4 to rotate. Girls were not pushy for drinks. Rate is 1000 BF + 2000 ST.

Songkran in Pattaya is April 10-19, 2017. I definitely will leave Thailand during Songkran.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1972495]Indeed. I was there around the same time you were and, like you, am already starting to plan a trip back back spring as well, probably late April, after Songkran, into May! However, I can't stand a Pacific flight back in cattle class, so I upgrade to elite class on EVA. Rates up there are under $1500 for early spring.[/QUOTE]That's about the time I might go back, unless I end up going somewhere else. Songkran is definitely out of the question. I did that once and it was the worst.

I have spent way, way too much time posting trip reports today, so I will make it short and sweet. This is Lin, a tiny ethnic Lao girl from somewhere in Isaan, which she says is on the border with Laos. She was like a tiny little doll. Long, waist length, silky black hair and long eyelashes. Immaculately groomed and well dressed. Tiny girl with tiny tits and a tiny twat. Her little mouth was too small to give a serious BJ, so I flipped her on top of a pillow for missionary. She made a point of putting lube on the end of my condom (only girl on the trip who did that) and still asked to put a bit more on after a little problem getting in with the first poke. We managed to get me inside her after a thorough lubing of her labia.

Sweet thing. A bit passive but unhurried and very attentive to hygiene. I popped earlier in the day, so it was a while before I came. She did not complain, though I could sense my cock was a bit of a challenge judging by the look in her eyes and her gaping mouth.

Photo below. Sorry, but that was all she would allow. Price? Her initial quote of 800 baht. No haggling required. Life is good in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1972566]

Visited Windmill tonight for the first time in months. Must say the lineup is great for Windmill standards. For some reason they put the younger cuter ones upstairs and leave the vets downstairs. Make sure you check out upstairs if you go there. Same Windmill fun. A great place if you want all natural girls. Not really my style but I still managed to find 4 to rotate. Girls were not pushy for drinks. Rate is 1000 BF + 2000 ST.

Songkran in Pattaya is April 10-19, 2017. I definitely will leave Thailand during Songkran.[/QUOTE]What night was that? I was there Thursday night until happy hour ended.

Found this list on Google, updated Nov. 27,2016. Thought it may be useful to some. I put an 'x' beside the ones I went to. Any I didn't go to that I need to? Still need to get to Kit Cat when it's open. What is the best time to go to Telephone Bar?

007 - x.
Bar de la Poste. X.
Bliss Lounge.
Camel Toe.
Carre Blanc. X.
Club 4 - x.
Club Sin. New.
Excite Club. X.
Heavens.
Geisha Club.
Jade House.
Kinnaree Place. X.
Kit Cat Lounge.
LE Private.
LE Rouge.
Lol itas
Lounge (Closed).
M Club.
Mango Pub.
Montana Bar & Lounge.
Pirates. X.
Rioja.
Telephone.
Thai Fun Club (Closed).
Venus Lounge (Closed).
Viper Bar (Closed).
Winchester (Closed).
Passion.

Any insight on where the Viper Bar girls went would be great. I really miss this girl as well as another with red hair. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1877230&viewfull=1#post1877230

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1972701]What night was that? I was there Thursday night until happy hour ended.[/QUOTE]

Last night. Saturday.

Walking Street was jammed last night even with the decline of Chinese tour groups.

I'd like to know if the (Thai) freelancing girls in nightclubs and discotheques in Pattaya, e. G. Mixx or Insomnia are in general better looking, give a better service at a lower price compared to the ones in Bangkok, e. G. Mixx or Insanity.

I was in Bangkok only two weeks ago and visited there Spasso, Mixx and Insanity. In Spasso and Mixx was a crowd of freelancing girls from all over the world. In Insanity the majority was Thai. All three clubs had a good selection. Only prices are quite high. Here are the average overnight prices: Spasso (12,000 THB), Mixx (10,000 THB) and Insanity (5,000 THB).

[QUOTE=Pussycheck;1972878]I'd like to know if the (Thai) freelancing girls in nightclubs and discotheques in Pattaya, e. G. Mixx or Insomnia are in general better looking, give a better service at a lower price compared to the ones in Bangkok, e. G. Mixx or Insanity.

I was in Bangkok only two weeks ago and visited there Spasso, Mixx and Insanity. In Spasso and Mixx was a crowd of freelancing girls from all over the world. In Insanity the majority was Thai. All three clubs had a good selection. Only prices are quite high. Here are the average overnight prices: Spasso (12,000 THB), Mixx (10,000 THB) and Insanity (5,000 THB).[/QUOTE]Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. Mixx is average 4500-6000, Spasso 4,500-8,000K, however, I have gotten less on occasion. Insanity previously Insomnia was never 5,000 LT, more like 2,500-3,500. May I ask what time you went? What's your nationality? How old are you? How were you dressed? Were you alone? Often ladies ask more for people they don't like just to discourage them. If by the odd chance the punter agrees, it's a windfall for them and they can overlook whatever it was they didn't like about you for the extra money. It could also be because you were too early. These are just my honest opinions. Did you try Climax by the way? Prices there are 2,500-3,000 LT.

Bangkok is generally a little more expensive than Pattaya for the freelance market but the prices you were quoted are no where near a good reflection of the normal freelance LT rates in Bangkok.

Some clubs tonight (Sunday). Baccara not nearly as good as last night. Windmill too. Couldn't even find a girl to DFK, HJ, and finger for 170 baht! Went into Sugar Baby and 3 decent girls but 2 were busy and 1 looked like a sourpuss. Left for Sweethearts. No idea why I bother. Dog city. Walked row of bars across from G Spot (Frog bar, Rolling Live 7, etc.). Chatted up a cute one at one of the middle bars for a while. She didn't even ask for a lady drink just wanted to chat with me. Hit Wildcats. Found a nice girl. 2 others were good. 1500 BF, 1000 after midnight. 2000ST.

Decided to try my luck at Red Car. Struck gold! 1500ST with a gem. First cute girl I've ever seen at Red Car!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1972929]Some clubs tonight (Sunday). Baccara not nearly as good as last night. Windmill too. Couldn't even find a girl to DFK, HJ, and finger for 170 baht! Went into Sugar Baby and 3 decent girls but 2 were busy and 1 looked like a sourpuss. Left for Sweethearts. No idea why I bother. Dog city. Walked row of bars across from G Spot (Frog bar, Rolling Live 7, etc.). Chatted up a cute one at one of the middle bars for a while. She didn't even ask for a lady drink just wanted to chat with me. Hit Wildcats. Found a nice girl. 2 others were good. 1500 BF, 1000 after midnight. 2000ST.

Decided to try my luck at Red Car. Struck gold! 1500ST with a gem. First cute girl I've ever seen at Red Car![/QUOTE]Hi Banana Man:

Been reading most of your posts and thought I'd take a moment to thank you!

You are very good with your "to the point" reports , and clearly you are also extremely knowledgeable and experienced.

You are very generous with your time here and also very helpful to everyone.

So, again, I just wanted to acknowledge that and thank you BB.

Good luck as always and the very best to you! Happy Holidays ! 👍🖖

Is anyone else annoyed by so many guys filming around Pattaya now and posting it on Youtube?

I am talking more about guys that specifically target Soi 6. You figured filming yourself walking up and down and sticking the camera in girl's faces, some who clearly don't want to be filmed, would be played out by now. But it never seems to stop and seems like every other day some new Scorsese is doing his thing on Soi 6.

The worst are those who surreptitiously film girls in front of the bars, and often the customers too. I'm sure these guys would not like it if someone started filming them.

Hopefully some day this will backfire on them.

I am flying next week again to Pattaya, where I always have a full service in [URL]www.thai-sexy-holiday.com[/URL] this time chose two girls: 'the and 'Nana one, added pictures of girls. I will be there for two weeks. Someone will be at this time in Pattaya, one would muster for a beer.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1972929]Some clubs tonight (Sunday). Baccara not nearly as good as last night. Windmill too. Couldn't even find a girl to DFK, HJ, and finger for 170 baht! Went into Sugar Baby and 3 decent girls but 2 were busy and 1 looked like a sourpuss. Left for Sweethearts. No idea why I bother. Dog city. Walked row of bars across from G Spot (Frog bar, Rolling Live 7, etc.). Chatted up a cute one at one of the middle bars for a while. She didn't even ask for a lady drink just wanted to chat with me. Hit Wildcats. Found a nice girl. 2 others were good. 1500 BF, 1000 after midnight. 2000ST.

Decided to try my luck at Red Car. Struck gold! 1500ST with a gem. First cute girl I've ever seen at Red Car![/QUOTE]Red Car is a mature / MILF bar. They refused admission to me one night when I was with a friend because I look young. Most serious perusers are over 50 at that bar.

[QUOTE=MarioHen;1973375]I am flying next week again to Pattaya, where I always have a full service in [URL]www.thai-sexy-holiday.com[/URL] this time chose two girls: 'the and 'Nana one, added pictures of girls. I will be there for two weeks. Someone will be at this time in Pattaya, one would muster for a beer.[/QUOTE]Jackson hopefully will try to figure out why this poster is always trying to market another site here? Not cool!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1973421]Jackson hopefully will try to figure out why this poster is always trying to market another site here? Not cool![/QUOTE]'always trying to market' Haven123 you feel pain because stay there where you are and I'm going there! This not cool!

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1973095]

The worst are those who surreptitiously film girls in front of the bars, and often the customers too. I'm sure these guys would not like it if someone started filming them.[/QUOTE]I have exchanged emails with a particular Pattaya-based expat Vblogger, who does do video tours of Pattaya. However, he says he stays away from Soi 6 for precisely that reason. He commented:

"The Thai Girls that want a one on one relationship are hoping that you fall in love with them over your stay here and be stupid enough and so in love that you will send them 25,000 - 30,000 baht a month from where ever you live to help them while your not here and to keep them out of the bars whoring. That is why when you walk down Soi 6 or any other Red Light area with your camera they are all hiding and screaming because their Farang idiot might see them on Youtube working. Or even the Farangs go mental because their wife might see them and they are there for short time or even supposed to be in Spain or Portugal on a golf holiday!

That said, one of my favorite sources for videos of any kind on youtube is Bangkok112. This guy posted a "Cheap Charlie" pub crawl last Thursday when I was there. He spent 644 baht and visited 10 places for a beer at each place. Watch it, its really fun:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OptQtWeV16g[/URL]

I tried to follow it and got derailed twice by the obvious distractions. First I started in the late afternoon, at the Jack Tar on Soi 6 for a beer, sitting on the outside. As the video states, these places he lists are good for people watching and the Jack Tar did not disappoint. A short, chunky farang woman walked down the soi with her chubby toddler in her arms, nervously looking left to right in the bars like she was looking for someone. Probably safe to say that Daddy had gone AWOL and she knew where to find him.

Next stop was My Friend You, where the beers were indeed 55 baht. Went inside and had just ordered a beer when a local burst through the door, carrying a toddler with one hand over the child's eyes! He ran through the place and out the back with none of the staff batting an eye. Nothing was going on there yet, but one of the girls offered me a BJ at the bar for 800 baht, so I guess there could be nasty things going on that a toddler shouldn't see. Note that windows are blacked out at this bar and I am sure there is a good reason for it. Said bargirl then offered me full service in the room upstairs for 1000 total. No barfine or fee for the room. 1000 plus the 55 for the beer. I bit! She wasn't the most attractive, but she already had her hand up the leg of my shorts and was being very persuasive. She turned out to be an awesome lay, though that is where the pub crawl ended. I guess you want to know about the rooms? She said the rooms were nice. They were not all that nice. Out the back door into soi 6/1 where a gaggle of ladyboys in red skirts were standing around, and then through another door and up two flights of stair. Large, but dark room with a queen size bed covered with kiddie sheets that had some cartoon characters on them, and a couch next to it. Shower in the corner but no toilet in it. Still a great place to spend an hour.

Caught the baht bus back to soi Post Office and had a disco nap before setting out to make another crack at the pub crawl in the video. Got a "walker" from the 7-11 on Walking Street and decided to find the Windmill. But, I got distracted when I noticed a girl selling cut fruit on Walking Street actually had some durian! That was something on "to do" list but I couldn't find any until then. Out of season, durian is hard to come by, but I ponied up 120 baht for a piece and decided it was really delicious despite the smell! Headed to the Windmill for Happy Hour and sat next to a friendly German guy who had barfined this one girl two nights in a row, and was going to barfine her again. I can't recall the specific amount he said he paid her, but it was somewhat more than what Banana Boi quoted below. But, I recall he perceived it as really cheap, as you would expect from someone who lived in the NRW, where living costs are in a different universe from Pattaya. The girl wasn't much to look at, but she was sticking close to her cash cow that night. Couldn't get any attention from the girls, like Banana Boi reported below and moved on having drank much more than one beer during happy hour.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1973440]I can't recall the specific amount he said he paid her, but it was somewhat more than what Banana Boi quoted below. But, I recall he perceived it as really cheap, as you would expect from someone who lived in the NRW, where living costs are in a different universe from Pattaya. The girl wasn't much to look at, but she was sticking close to her cash cow that night. Couldn't get any attention from the girls, like Banana Boi reported below and moved on having drank much more than one beer during happy hour.[/QUOTE]I think the prices I quoted 1000 BF and 2000ST are standard at Windmill. Same prices I was quoted when upstairs was opened a couple months ago. I went to Windmill last night and left. It was crap. Baccara wasn't as good as normal either. Japanese guys barfined 3 of the girls I liked before 9 pm so I left. Went to Pheromones many of the nice girls left already but still some there. 200 baht lady drinks is ridiculous still given that Baccara lady drinks are 145 baht.

Picked up a freelancer on Walking Street. My first ever on WS itself. Way hotter than any girl at Windmill. 1000 baht quoted and accepted and had such an amazing time. Great chemistry, No rush.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1973440]The Thai Girls that want a one on one relationship are hoping that you fall in love with them over your stay here and be stupid enough and so in love that you will send them 25,000 - 30,000 baht a month from where ever you live to help them while your not here and to keep them out of the bars whoring. That is why when you walk down Soi 6 or any other Red Light area with your camera they are all hiding and screaming because their Farang idiot might see them on Youtube working. Or even the Farangs go mental because their wife might see them and they are there for short time or even supposed to be in Spain or Portugal on a golf holiday![/QUOTE]

I watch some of those Walking Street and other videos more to just see if I recognize girls. If I do that I guess a jealous Sponsor would be checking videos and bar Facebook pages daily.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1973457]
I watch some of those Walking Street and other videos more to just see if I recognize girls. If I do that I guess a jealous Sponsor would be checking videos and bar Facebook pages daily.[/QUOTE]Yes, my regular from the street has developed into a really excellent fuck, and appeared on Youtube at one time. She did not know she was a 5 second star.

[QUOTE=MarioHen;1973375]I am flying next week again to Pattaya, where I always have a full service in [URL]www.thai-sexy-holiday.com[/URL] this time chose two girls: 'the and 'Nana one, added pictures of girls. I will be there for two weeks. Someone will be at this time in Pattaya, one would muster for a beer.[/QUOTE]1099 for one week: room and one girl included. Two girls will be more expensive of course.

That's almost 42000 baht or 6000 baht per day. Say, the room will be 1500 baht per day if you have too book it yourself. The agency probably has it for a few 100 baht per day.

That leaves 4500 baht for the girl (and you still have to add her drink, food and entertainment). A tad expensive for a rather standard looking girl, but I guess convenience has its price.

A somewhat experienced monger can surely do cheaper or get better looking / younger companions for those prices.

And besides, I find their website reallly unjust and unfair. They make it seem that:

(1) prostitution is illegal in Thailand and thus they "offer" you a service to escape the dangers of doing something against the law. Actually prostitution is perfectly legal in Thailand and the servcie they offer is called "pimping" and that is illegal. Quite the contrary what they suggest!

(2) finding a female companion is tedious and difficult and tiring: they must live on another planet. Getting female companionship in Pattaya is like shooting fish in a barrel.

(3) there is danger of being robbed or worse by bringing a girl (except for their girls of course) to your room: "[i]It seems almost impossible to plan safe vacation, especially when you go for a such long journey in the distant part of globe, maybe you will expose yourself to be robbed by the beautiful, mysterious woman brought to the hotel[/i]". I'd like to see the statisticss of that assumption.

In the "center of Pattaya" but overlooking the "Temple of Truth"? The "Temple of Truth" is way up north, quite a good distance away from the night spots, but of course their companions are so special you'll never even leave your room. :)

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1973457]I think the prices I quoted 1000 BF and 2000ST are standard at Windmill. Same prices I was quoted when upstairs was opened a couple months ago.
Picked up a freelancer on Walking Street. My first ever on WS itself. Way hotter than any girl at Windmill. 1000 baht quoted and accepted and had such an amazing time. Great chemistry, No rush. [/QUOTE]I think the German guy was simply paying too much. It was his first trip to Thailand (like mine), he'd only been there a few days, he spent two previous evenings with that same girl, he was travelling alone and seemed to lack any experienced companionship to guide him on pricing. She must have seen him coming a mile off. And coming from the most expensive part of the world, next to Japan, his concept of price and economy would have been blurred.

BTW, how did you find a freelancer on WS? To me, it was just a big mass of moving people, and it would have been hard to pick a girl out of the crowd. Any tips?

Hi Dear all,

Any one know about this website. Is this real and help fun. If any one share information or experience, it will be great. I have a plan to go to this arrange holidays.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1973564]BTW, how did you find a freelancer on WS? To me, it was just a big mass of moving people, and it would have been hard to pick a girl out of the crowd. Any tips?[/QUOTE]This is an interesting question and I am curious to hear the answer from BananaBoi and maybe others too, who has something to say about it.

I have picked about four girls from WS and can only share what is my thoughts about freelancers on WS. First, as the evening gets later, the mass of tourists seems to thin out and you see girls come instead, often two or three together and they are dressed up like for a night out. Most often they seems to be on their way to one of the many discos on WS and the majority of them are looking to make some extra money before the night is over.

When I picked girls from WS I simply approached them and just started a conversation saying something simple like: where are you going? And from there I quickly found out, by just asking, if they would be interested to go with me. And four out of six girls that I asked was positive to this so it ended up me taking them home to my apartment.

So as I see it the best is just to approach the hot girls on WS and find out if they are interested to go with you. And I guess it's not a big deal to get a no sometimes and from my experience it will be a yes in most of the cases. So I say: just go for it and make contact with the hot girls that you see on WS!

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;1973827]This is an interesting question and I am curious to hear the answer from BananaBoi and maybe others too, who has something to say about it.

I have picked about four girls from WS and can only share what is my thoughts about freelancers on WS. First, as the evening gets later, the mass of tourists seems to thin out and you see girls come instead, often two or three together and they are dressed up like for a night out. Most often they seems to be on their way to one of the many discos on WS and the majority of them are looking to make some extra money before the night is over.

When I picked girls from WS I simply approached them and just started a conversation saying something simple like: where are you going? And from there I quickly found out, by just asking, if they would be interested to go with me. And four out of six girls that I asked was positive to this so it ended up me taking them home to my apartment.

So as I see it the best is just to approach the hot girls on WS and find out if they are interested to go with you. And I guess it's not a big deal to get a no sometimes and from my experience it will be a yes in most of the cases. So I say: just go for it and make contact with the hot girls that you see on WS![/QUOTE]Thanks! Obviously, I went a bit too early. WS was so crowded at the time, it was difficult to move down the street. And of course, I was distracted by other things.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1973440]I have exchanged emails with a particular Pattaya-based expat Vblogger, who does do video tours of Pattaya. However, he says he stays away from Soi 6 for precisely that reason. He commented:

"The Thai Girls that want a one on one relationship are hoping that you fall in love with them over your stay here and be stupid enough and so in love that you will send them 25,000 - 30,000 baht a month from where ever you live to help them while your not here and to keep them out of the bars whoring. That is why when you walk down Soi 6 or any other Red Light area with your camera they are all hiding and screaming because their Farang idiot might see them on Youtube working. Or even the Farangs go mental because their wife might see them and they are there for short time or even supposed to be in Spain or Portugal on a golf holiday!

That said, one of my favorite sources for videos of any kind on youtube is Bangkok112. This guy posted a "Cheap Charlie" pub crawl last Thursday when I was there. He spent 644 baht and visited 10 places for a beer at each place. Watch it, its really fun:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OptQtWeV16g[/URL]

I tried to follow it and got derailed twice by the obvious distractions. First I started in the late afternoon, at the Jack Tar on Soi 6 for a beer, sitting on the outside. As the video states, these places he lists are good for people watching and the Jack Tar did not disappoint. A short, chunky farang woman walked down the soi with her chubby toddler in her arms, nervously looking left to right in the bars like she was looking for someone..[/QUOTE]That's awesome. I should try a crawl like that sometime. Something to change things up a bit instead of the usual gogo crawl.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1973511]1099 for one week: room and one girl included. Two girls will be more expensive of course.

That's almost 42000 baht or 6000 baht per day. Say, the room will be 1500 baht per day if you have too book it yourself. The agency probably has it for a few 100 baht per day.

That leaves 4500 baht for the girl (and you still have to add her drink, food and entertainment). A tad expensive for a rather standard looking girl, but I guess convenience has its price.

A somewhat experienced monger can surely do cheaper or get better looking / younger companions for those prices.

And besides, I find their website reallly unjust and unfair. They make it seem that:..[/QUOTE]Yes those "selling points" by the webmaster are ridiculous.

I can see a use for this type of service in places where it does not seem as easy for guys to monger as it is in Thailand. Maybe some parts of Asia like Japan for example.

But Thailand and Pattaya of all places? Maybe I get the convenience factor, but even at that, again, this is Pattaya. You can walk out your hotel door and there will be someone available for you to pick out.

Another important thing is, what if you don't even like the girl, or any of the other girls they offer? Pictures are one thing, real life is another. It's like a guy here who asked about taking a girl he met on a dating website out for an extended trip. I advised against it based on personal experience. I would rather go to Pattaya and if a barfine was really good, barfine her again.

[QUOTE=ShawOn1230;1973809]Hi Dear all,

Any one know about this website. Is this real and help fun. If any one share information or experience, it will be great. I have a plan to go to this arrange holidays.[/QUOTE]It seems a strange thing to do, rather than just show up to Pattaya and try lots of different places and different girls. You could be stuck with having paid for girls that are not perfect for you.

Better to take the adventure to just see what happens. It is not so difficult. Pattaya has no many bars, clubs, massage parlors, and so many girls that want to fuck you, unless there is something about you that girls will strongly dislike? To be flexible to change your plans or change your girls is the most important thing, for most people. Most of us get hot girls regularly and we are not young or handsome or anything special at all, just very average. We just have money to give the girl for her service.

What if the assigned girl does not like you or you don't like her? I am really puzzled about what is the big attraction of this deal, unless I misunderstand your purpose. LOL.

[QUOTE=ShawOn1230;1973809]Hi Dear all,

Any one know about this website. Is this real and help fun. If any one share information or experience, it will be great. I have a plan to go to this arrange holidays.[/QUOTE]How funny! Look two posts below your post and you'll see I answered already even before you asked!

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1973846]Thanks! Obviously, I went a bit too early. WS was so crowded at the time, it was difficult to move down the street. And of course, I was distracted by other things.[/QUOTE]Yes, too early you will see the big mass of tourists but around 11PM to midnight the crowds starts to thin out and you will see girls arriving. Those girls are the ones that you want to approach!

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1973890]Yes those "selling points" by the webmaster are ridiculous.

I can see a use for this type of service in places where it does not seem as easy for guys to monger as it is in Thailand. Maybe some parts of Asia like Japan for example.

But Thailand and Pattaya of all places? Maybe I get the convenience factor, but even at that, again, this is Pattaya. You can walk out your hotel door and there will be someone available for you to pick out.
[/QUOTE]How does that saying go? "Don't bring sand to the beach."

Popping my Pattaya cherry next month with 5 or 6 nights, and I want to sample as much as I can.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1973890] but even at that, again, this is Pattaya. You can walk out your hotel door and there will be someone available for you to pick out.[/QUOTE]That is literally true. When I walked in or out of my hotel at any hour of the day. Morning, afternoon or evening (except for when I first arrived at the crack of dawn) the first thing I heard was "Massage". And my one attempt to get a purely therapeutic foot massage at the adjacent MP was an episode in overly aggressive masseuse who did not want to take "no" for an answer.

Like putting a freezer in a igloo.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1972672]I have spent way, way too much time posting trip reports today, so I will make it short and sweet. This is Lin, a tiny ethnic Lao girl from somewhere in Isaan, which she says is on the border with Laos. She was like a tiny little doll. Long, waist length, silky black hair and long eyelashes. Immaculately groomed and well dressed. Tiny girl with tiny tits and a tiny twat. Her little mouth was too small to give a serious BJ, so I flipped her on top of a pillow for missionary. She made a point of putting lube on the end of my condom (only girl on the trip who did that) and still asked to put a bit more on after a little problem getting in with the first poke. We managed to get me inside her after a thorough lubing of her labia.

Sweet thing. A bit passive but unhurried and very attentive to hygiene. I popped earlier in the day, so it was a while before I came. She did not complain, though I could sense my cock was a bit of a challenge judging by the look in her eyes and her gaping mouth.

Photo below. Sorry, but that was all she would allow. Price? Her initial quote of 800 baht. No haggling required. Life is good in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Hmm.. I am finishing my trip with a week in Pattaya. Where can I find her after NYE? I've had some great experiences with tiny girls both in the PP and TH. Not short and stumpy just tiny 4ft-nothing small types.its great to fold them up below you or bounce them on your lap and do your stuff... I want a repeat.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1971323]Guys,
...
I was afraid I wouldn't be able to make up my mind when I made eye contact with a tiny thing that looked like a doll. I asked how much and she said 800. Done! Said she was 22 and that jibbed with her ID. She was an ethnic Laotian named Lin. [/QUOTE]Aah ok I'll take a walk then. Thanks for posting!

P.

[QUOTE=PeeMan;1974882]Hmm.. I am finishing my trip with a week in Pattaya. Where can I find her after NYE? I've had some great experiences with tiny girls both in the PP and TH. Not short and stumpy just tiny 4ft-nothing small types.its great to fold them up below you or bounce them on your lap and do your stuff... I want a repeat.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I have no idea where you will find her. For all I know she is already back home in some small town on the border with Laos (that is where she said she came from). I don't know why so many people have asked me where to find that girl. There is going to be one or another that will be just as good or better. Beach Road was a "buyers' market" as of last week. I think I picked her because up because I couldn't make up my mind due to the mind-boggling selection. There are plenty of girls of all sizes there. I even saw a few "sumo" size girls and I am sure there is a market for those girls too. I wanted to find a pregnant girl but I didn't look that hard or far before I got distracted. I'm sure there was one there. Point is, you should be able to find something you like that you never laid eyes on or saw a photo of. Just look.

Have my reservations for a week in Pattaya coming up next month. First-timer and looking forward to it. Ended up with reservations at two different hotels, long story, but when I started planning I was thinking 3 days. Many hours of research later and it's a full week. Starting at Seven Zea Chic on Soi 5, then finishing up with a few days at Baywalk Residence on Soi 13. Figure I can check out both ends of the beach and decide which location I like best for my second trip.

I've RTFF and have a list of activities that would take me a month to get through, but I'd like to make an appeal to the wisdom of the Pattaya vets, what is the indispensable advice for a first-timer? What would you do if you could do your first trip all over again? Hot spots? Best places to pick up FLs?

Also, do any of the massage places offer the kind of PSE experience I've come to love from places like Snow White and Tulip in Bangkok? I'm more interested in sampling the local talent pool, but a PSE session or two wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

With gratitude, gentlemen. I'll report back on my experience either way.

[QUOTE=McRib;1974963]

I've RTFF and have a list of activities that would take me a month to get through, but I'd like to make an appeal to the wisdom of the Pattaya vets, what is the indispensable advice for a first-timer? What would you do if you could do your first trip all over again? Hot spots? Best places to pick up FLs?[/QUOTE]For FLs beach road and WS disco like Insomnia, Lucifer, Ibar, Mixx.

[QUOTE=McRib;1974963]
Also, do any of the massage places offer the kind of PSE experience I've come to love from places like Snow White and Tulip in Bangkok? I'm more interested in sampling the local talent pool, but a PSE session or two wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.[/QUOTE]No massage in Pattaya are same SW and Tulip, but you can find some PSE in soi6 or in a BJ bar and club around town as the five clubs in soi Full Love Inn. Or could try Devil's Den in soi LK Metro (but IMHO isn't good same before) now they offer Nuru also.

[QUOTE=McRib;1974963]Have my reservations for a week in Pattaya coming up next month. First-timer and looking forward to it. Ended up with reservations at two different hotels, long story, but when I started planning I was thinking 3 days. Many hours of research later and it's a full week. Starting at Seven Zea Chic on Soi 5, then finishing up with a few days at Baywalk Residence on Soi 13. Figure I can check out both ends of the beach and decide which location I like best for my second trip.

I've RTFF and have a list of activities that would take me a month to get through, but I'd like to make an appeal to the wisdom of the Pattaya vets, what is the indispensable advice for a first-timer? What would you do if you could do your first trip all over again? Hot spots? Best places to pick up FLs?

Also, do any of the massage places offer the kind of PSE experience I've come to love from places like Snow White and Tulip in Bangkok? I'm more interested in sampling the local talent pool, but a PSE session or two wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

With gratitude, gentlemen. I'll report back on my experience either way.[/QUOTE]You can get lots accomplished in a week if you work at it.

Certainly, Soi 6 is where you need to go several times. Hundreds of girls of all types standing out there. You can literally start at one end, find a girl and do her, leave and walk down a few bars and find another to do, and again and again to you get to the other end. You are only limited by your body's endurance and the amount of cash you bring. Some girls might give a PSE. You never know. The girl I reviewed last month at My Friend You gave a PSE on my second visit (can't remember her name). Another along there (I withheld her name) gave a GFE.

Then Walking Street at night is a must, of course. If you are older, visit Red Car after 11 PM and you will be able to pick up a MILF. If younger, go for the discos that are much reviewed. Visit the gogo bars. There are enough on WS to keep you busy all week.

The Beach Road freelancers can be awesome. There are many dogs, but if you are there at the right time, some real cute ones will hang out and often give you a great time.

Get on the Tender app. I only connected with one girl that way but she was cute and came to me. But there are a lot of ladyboys on there, though they at least identify themselves as such. I had little luck with Thai Cupid, possibly because I only signed up a few weeks before I went over and there was too little time to establish a relationship with any one, even though a few seemed to be in the business.

There is Kinneree (sp) but you have to hire a taxi or motor bike, and getting back is a bit of a hassle. But the place is neat if you go when they serve free food, though you may spend an hour or two simply figuring out how things work (or read my report from a year ago November 2015, I think it was when I went).

I do not enjoy the soapies here. MPs can be hit or miss. I got a bait and switch once and the girl wanted way to much for FS. Some might stop at a HJ or BJ.

I am not familiar with the other places to comment on them. I typically spend the afternoons on Soi 6 and the nights on WS. Evenings are also good at Soi 6 before heading to WS. I do need to start branching out to some of the other places, but for a week, you won't get tired of going to the above places.

And oh, use your offtime to write your reports for us!

[QUOTE=McRib;1974963]Have my reservations for a week in Pattaya coming up next month. First-timer and looking forward to it. Ended up with reservations at two different hotels, long story, but when I started planning I was thinking 3 days. Many hours of research later and it's a full week. Starting at Seven Zea Chic on Soi 5, then finishing up with a few days at Baywalk Residence on Soi 13. Figure I can check out both ends of the beach and decide which location I like best for my second trip.

I've RTFF and have a list of activities that would take me a month to get through, but I'd like to make an appeal to the wisdom of the Pattaya vets, what is the indispensable advice for a first-timer? What would you do if you could do your first trip all over again? Hot spots? Best places to pick up FLs?

Also, do any of the massage places offer the kind of PSE experience I've come to love from places like Snow White and Tulip in Bangkok? I'm more interested in sampling the local talent pool, but a PSE session or two wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

With gratitude, gentlemen. I'll report back on my experience either way.[/QUOTE]If you are game to really extend your boundaries and have a PSE try one of the gentlemans clubs like La Poste, Telephone Bar or Carre LE Blanc. These locked door clubs have girls who will greet you with a smile, strip to nothing in the bar for the price of a lady drink, and blow you in the bar or fuck you on a couch at the back of the bar for 1000 baht. I have not yet written my reviews of my recent visit, but just as an example at Carre LE Blanc I fucked a gorgeous spinner at the back of the bar, then she stayed nude and sat on my lap whilst we chatted with two guys who were being blown at the bar.

A similar experience with two lovelies at La Poste earlier in the week. Good times!

During my next trip in the first week of Jan, I've decided to try a Devil's den chick. Since it's going to be the busy season I thought of making an advance booking.

Today when I tried to book a lady for 2 hrs in advance, they are asking me to make an advance payment of 1 k via PayPal. Since it's very first time for me to make an advance payment I'm a bit worried about the reliability of the booking.

May be somebody can provide some light here. TIA.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1976727]During my next trip in the first week of Jan, I've decided to try a Devil's den chick. Since it's going to be the busy season I thought of making an advance booking.

Today when I tried to book a lady for 2 hrs in advance, they are asking me to make an advance payment of 1 k via PayPal. Since it's very first time for me to make an advance payment I'm a bit worried about the reliability of the booking.

May be somebody can provide some light here. TIA.[/QUOTE]No doubt someone with more experience with Devil's Den will jump in here. I'll just say that in my years of experience here I have never heard of advance payment being required for a booking. I've made bookings a few times at PSE oilies in BKK with no requirement like this. The other thing is that I also rarely make bookings and when I do it is only because I'm hot to try a particular provider. I assume that must be your reason too. Devil's Den is not getting rave reviews these days so I would think twice. Also I would not make an advance payment. Period. There is just too much fun to be had in Pattaya without jumping through that hoop.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1976727]During my next trip in the first week of Jan, I've decided to try a Devil's den chick. Since it's going to be the busy season I thought of making an advance booking.
Today when I tried to book a lady for 2 hrs in advance, they are asking me to make an advance payment of 1 k via PayPal. Since it's very first time for me to make an advance payment I'm a bit worried about the reliability of the booking.
May be somebody can provide some light here. TIA.[/QUOTE]In the past I was regular customer at DD and always walk in and made a booking for a few hours later or for the next days and they always asked for 1000 baht advance payment for confirm my booking. So nothing new if they ask 1000 baht for booking online also.

Is there a minimum age to get into bars on Walking Street. My gogo girl friend is 19 and she couldn't get in to Muzzik (where Lucifer used to be).

Hit Soi 6 a couple of times this week, both mid afternoon. Talent seems to be lacking a bit. did go with one at Butterfly Bar. Nothing special and only LK. Went to Jasmine Massage on Soi Honey. Standard pricing. Again only LK but sex was great. I really prefer a room over these curtained off areas. I could hear the guy beside me moaning the entire time. Not really a turn on for me. Beach Road has been packed with girls the past few days.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1977037]Is there a minimum age to get into bars on Walking Street. My gogo girl friend is 19 and she couldn't get in to Muzzik (where Lucifer used to be). [/QUOTE]Thais have to be 20. Foreigners have to be 18. Your gogo friend should know this because she also has to be 20 to work in a gogo bar.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1976727]During my next trip in the first week of Jan, I've decided to try a Devil's den chick. Since it's going to be the busy season I thought of making an advance booking.

Today when I tried to book a lady for 2 hrs in advance, they are asking me to make an advance payment of 1 k via PayPal. Since it's very first time for me to make an advance payment I'm a bit worried about the reliability of the booking.

May be somebody can provide some light here. TIA.[/QUOTE]Yes; a deposit is typical for DD. I normally show up in person in the afternoon to see who is available, then book an evening incall or outcall and leave a 1 k deposit.

I would not arrange anything so far in advance. Too many variables. Once I booked in the afternoon for same day that evening, and when I arrived one of the ladies flaked and failed to show up. They returned my deposit no questions asked.

SL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1977062]Thais have to be 20. Foreigners have to be 18. Your gogo friend should know this because she also has to be 20 to work in a gogo bar.[/QUOTE]She's 19 and has been working at a gogo for 6 months since I have known her. I looked at her Thai ID last night. We just went to another club nearby. No checking. I also had that 18 year old gogo girl who I went out with on her 19th birthday last year who I couldn't get in to my hotel. No discos stopped us except Levels in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1977103]She's 19 and has been working at a gogo for 6 months since I have known her. I looked at her Thai ID last night. We just went to another club nearby. No checking. I also had that 18 year old gogo girl who I went out with on her 19th birthday last year who I couldn't get in to my hotel. No discos stopped us except Levels in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]You are the one who brought the law to light on ISG last January.

Thanks all for your inputs. I made the payment via PayPal after reading your comments and they confirmed my booking a well. Let's see how it goes when I come after 10 days. If they cancel when I come, will have to look for an alternative in Soi 6 bars.

Pattaya would be too crowded at this time of year I guess.

WR,

Tom

Many of the hotels lowered their prices because of lack of tourist. Perfect for me. LOL. Just enough tourist to keep the girls here. I feel kinda like I have the place to myself. Pattaya has a better feel than BKK. Bangkok feel like it has been taken over by the Muslims. That is why if you have a bag you are screen before you go on the public train ect. Pattaya has many places that look very different. Many new shops and even by the BIG see the area around it is being remodeled. Beach street at night probably has the most girls I have ever seen. Hundreds of girls. Some of the short time massage places is 200 for the room and 1000 for the girl. But some girls will try to charge 1500 tip making up a lie that they have to pay the house 500. I would just get dressed and say forget get it too expensive also knowing she is trying to over charge me. Go downstairs and pic one of her coworkers and they are fine with 1000 tip. No talk about paying the house 500.

By the way here there are many massage places that are just brothels. It will say Thai massage, foot massage 200, oil massage 300, then its 1000 for the girl. Don't pay the 300 for the oil massage because you are not getting any massage there. Unless you consider having a girl splash oil on you with no interest then after 5 minutes of being all slimy they they say you want boom boom. If you want a real massage go to one of the many real massage places there.

My theory is this job is hard on the woman. I think some are ashamed at what they done. So they start covering their body with tattoos so people don't look at them they look at their tattoos. The longer the girls have been in the business the more tattoos they have. Many have huge tattoos covering their whole back. Their whole side of Thai. Makes sense if you think about it. Almost like having a huge curtain for them to hide behind.

Also was talking to an American who married a Thai wife and did a culture study in school in Thailand. He lived her 20 years. He told me about that famous this smile as he learned in Thai cultural school. He said it is fake. He says Thais are aggressive people and they smile to relax you. At first that did not make sense to me but then he says. Did you ever see the Thais flip that switch meaning when they get angry. I said ya they go crazy! Then it made sense to me.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977526]...Almost like having a huge curtain for them to hide behind.

Also was talking to an American who married a Thai wife and did a culture study in school in Thailand. He lived her 20 years. He told me about that famous this smile as he learned in Thai cultural school. He said it is fake. He says Thais are aggressive people and they smile to relax you. At first that did not make sense to me but then he says. Did you ever see the Thais flip that switch meaning when they get angry. I said ya they go crazy! Then it made sense to me.[/QUOTE]Harsh words, true words. This country we live in is insane. But unfortunately amazingly beautiful insane, this while we are still here and this while still tourist's flocking in. I love this country, but I know the nightmare sides of this country as well. Just try to stay out of the biggest troubles, go your own way and do your business. That's it.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977525]
By the way here there are many massage places that are just brothels. It will say Thai massage, foot massage 200, oil massage 300, then its 1000 for the girl. Don't pay the 300 for the oil massage because you are not getting any massage there. Unless you consider having a girl splash oil on you with no interest then after 5 minutes of being all slimy they they say you want boom boom. If you want a real massage go to one of the many real massage places there.[/QUOTE]That is so true about the massages being worthless, LOL. BTW good update.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977525]Many of the hotels lowered their prices because of lack of tourist. Perfect for me. LOL. Just enough tourist to keep the girls here. I feel kinda like I have the place to myself. Pattaya has a better feel than BKK. Bangkok feel like it has been taken over by the Muslims. That is why if you have a bag you are screen before you go on the public train ect. Pattaya has many places that look very different. Many new shops and even by the BIG see the area around it is being remodeled. Beach street at night probably has the most girls I have ever seen. Hundreds of girls. Some of the short time massage places is 200 for the room and 1000 for the girl. But some girls will try to charge 1500 tip making up a lie that they have to pay the house 500. I would just get dressed and say forget get it too expensive also knowing she is trying to over charge me. Go downstairs and pic one of her coworkers and they are fine with 1000 tip. No talk about paying the house 500.

By the way here there are many massage places that are just brothels. It will say Thai massage, foot massage 200, oil massage 300, then its 1000 for the girl. Don't pay the 300 for the oil massage because you are not getting any massage there. Unless you consider having a girl splash oil on you with no interest then after 5 minutes of being all slimy they they say you want boom boom. If you want a real massage go to one of the many real massage places there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the trip report. I didn't know of the fact that many hotels lowering their prices this time of the year, because now is supposed to be high season. But good for you and others that can benefit from low hotel prices.

It seems like not so many tourists are coming to Pattaya right now, as one could expect in a high season month like this. It would be interesting to know the reason for this. Is it still maybe the after effects from the King's death earlier this fall?

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977526]My theory is this job is hard on the woman. I think some are ashamed at what they done. So they start covering their body with tattoos so people don't look at them they look at their tattoos. The longer the girls have been in the business the more tattoos they have. Many have huge tattoos covering their whole back. Their whole side of Thai. Makes sense if you think about it. Almost like having a huge curtain for them to hide behind.

Also was talking to an American who married a Thai wife and did a culture study in school in Thailand. He lived her 20 years. He told me about that famous this smile as he learned in Thai cultural school. He said it is fake. He says Thais are aggressive people and they smile to relax you. At first that did not make sense to me but then he says. Did you ever see the Thais flip that switch meaning when they get angry. I said ya they go crazy! Then it made sense to me.[/QUOTE]I have a simpler theory as to why tattoos seem to be increasing with the bargirls.

Getting tattoos is simply just one of those trendy things people like to follow and copycat each other. Look at young girls in your home country, like the USA. I start to see many young people getting tattoos. It's because these young people see their celebrity idols getting tattoos, and they think it's cool so they start getting them and it just spreads like that.

Same with Thai bargirls. They see their friends getting tattoos and now they want one because they think it looks cool and it's the 'in' thing or some weird status symbol. You have to realize a lot of these girls are like young people anywhere else that tend to have a lot of disposable income. They get bored and spend their free time looking for things to buy. So they want to get a tattoo because they think it looks good and it spreads to other girls.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;1977723]It seems like not so many tourists are coming to Pattaya right now, as one could expect in a high season month like this. It would be interesting to know the reason for this. Is it still maybe the after effects from the King's death earlier this fall?[/QUOTE]Thailand shut down the zero profit tours from China. You will notice far fewer Chinese tourists on Walking Street than last year.

There are many articles of late regarding the decline in tourism. In fact, there is one today regarding Pattaya tourism being down possibly because Pattaya is no longer the cheap vacation destination it once was with tourists now turning to Vietnam, Cambodia, Philippines, etc.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977526]My theory is this job is hard on the woman. I think some are ashamed at what they done. So they start covering their body with tattoos so people don't look at them they look at their tattoos. The longer the girls have been in the business the more tattoos they have. Many have huge tattoos covering their whole back. Their whole side of Thai. Makes sense if you think about it. Almost like having a huge curtain for them to hide behind.

Also was talking to an American who married a Thai wife and did a culture study in school in Thailand. He lived her 20 years. He told me about that famous this smile as he learned in Thai cultural school. He said it is fake. He says Thais are aggressive people and they smile to relax you. At first that did not make sense to me but then he says. Did you ever see the Thais flip that switch meaning when they get angry. I said ya they go crazy! Then it made sense to me.[/QUOTE]Tattoos are trendy, PERIOD! Why don't you go into some bar on Beach Rd and tabulate the percentage of guys with Tattoos. What are ALL those guys hiding from? Land of Smiles is more a marketing campaign than anything. Do they get angry with morons who categorize them, sure. No need to give your nationality its all too obvious.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977525]Many of the hotels lowered their prices because of lack of tourist. Perfect for me. LOL. Just enough tourist to keep the girls here. I feel kinda like I have the place to myself. Pattaya has a better feel than BKK. Bangkok feel like it has been taken over by the Muslims. That is why if you have a bag you are screen before you go on the public train ect. Pattaya has many places that look very different. Many new shops and even by the BIG see the area around it is being remodeled. Beach street at night probably has the most girls I have ever seen. Hundreds of girls. Some of the short time massage places is 200 for the room and 1000 for the girl. But some girls will try to charge 1500 tip making up a lie that they have to pay the house 500. I would just get dressed and say forget get it too expensive also knowing she is trying to over charge me. Go downstairs and pic one of her coworkers and they are fine with 1000 tip. No talk about paying the house 500.

By the way here there are many massage places that are just brothels. It will say Thai massage, foot massage 200, oil massage 300, then its 1000 for the girl. Don't pay the 300 for the oil massage because you are not getting any massage there. Unless you consider having a girl splash oil on you with no interest then after 5 minutes of being all slimy they they say you want boom boom. If you want a real massage go to one of the many real massage places there.[/QUOTE]Can you tell us where you get away with not paying the house money at a brothel. I see you making it on to the Pattaya One News site shortly.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977526]My theory is this job is hard on the woman. I think some are ashamed at what they done. So they start covering their body with tattoos so people don't look at them they look at their tattoos. The longer the girls have been in the business the more tattoos they have. Many have huge tattoos covering their whole back. Their whole side of Thai. Makes sense if you think about it. Almost like having a huge curtain for them to hide behind.[/QUOTE]I don't think so. Half of the tattoos you see are those khmer tattoos that give them protection or good luck. So that's simple superstition or religion {which the same of course}.

The other are just because they find it lovely.

Thai may not find working in the sex-industry the best job there is, but by no means it carries the social stigma it has in western culture. It is not inherently something to be ashamed of.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977526]Also was talking to an American who married a Thai wife and did a culture study in school in Thailand. He lived her 20 years. He told me about that famous this smile as he learned in Thai cultural school. He said it is fake. He says Thais are aggressive people and they smile to relax you. At first that did not make sense to me but then he says. Did you ever see the Thais flip that switch meaning when they get angry. I said ya they go crazy! Then it made sense to me.[/QUOTE]You know that these "culture studies" are mainly a ploy to get long time "study visa", don't you?

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977526]My theory is this job is hard on the woman. I think some are ashamed at what they done. So they start covering their body with tattoos so people don't look at them they look at their tattoos. The longer the girls have been in the business the more tattoos they have. Many have huge tattoos covering their whole back. Their whole side of Thai. Makes sense if you think about it. Almost like having a huge curtain for them to hide behind.[/QUOTE]I don't thnk so. Half of the tattoos you see are those khmer tattoos that give them protectiion or good luck. So that's simple superstition or religion {which the same of course}.

The other are just because they find it lovely.

Thai may not find working in the sex-industry the best job there is, but by no meansn it carries the social stigma it has in western culture. It is not inherently something to be ashamed of.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977526]Also was talking to an American who married a Thai wife and did a culture study in school in Thailand. He lived her 20 years. He told me about that famous this smile as he learned in Thai cultural school. He said it is fake. He says Thais are aggressive people and they smile to relax you. At first that did not make sense to me but then he says. Did you ever see the Thais flip that switch meaning when they get angry. I said ya they go crazy! Then it made sense to me.[/QUOTE]You know that these "culture studies" are mainly a ploy to get long time "study visa", don't you?

The Thai smile is not fake at all. It just isn't the same as our western smile and has many more different meanings. Thai smile because they are happy, to hide embarrassment, to apologize, to make up again, to make you feel good, to relax, or simply because they have no clue what this silly farang means or is up to.

By the same token I can say that US Americans are an aggressive people since for no reason they pull a gun and kill half of their co-workers or school-friends.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977526]My theory is this job is hard on the woman. I think some are ashamed at what they done. So they start covering their body with tattoos so people don't look at them they look at their tattoos. The longer the girls have been in the business the more tattoos they have. Many have huge tattoos covering their whole back. Their whole side of Thai. Makes sense if you think about it. Almost like having a huge curtain for them to hide behind.[/QUOTE]I don't thnk so. Half of the tattoos you see are those khmer tattoos that give them protection or good luck. So that's simple superstition or religion {which the same of course}.

The other are just because they find it lovely.

Thai may not find working in the sex-industry the best job there is, but by no means it carries the social stygma it has in western culture. It is not inherently something to be ashamed of.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977526]Also was talking to an American who married a Thai wife and did a culture study in school in Thailand. He lived her 20 years. He told me about that famous this smile as he learned in Thai cultural school. He said it is fake. He says Thais are aggressive people and they smile to relax you. At first that did not make sense to me but then he says. Did you ever see the Thais flip that switch meaning when they get angry. I said ya they go crazy! Then it made sense to me.[/QUOTE]You know that these "culture studies" are mainly a ploy to get long time "study visa", don't you?

The Thai smile is not fake at all. It just isn't the same as our western smile and has many more different meanings. Thai smile because they are happy, to hide embarrassment, to apologize, to make up again, to make you feel good, to relax, or simply because they have no clue what this silly farang means or is up to.

By the same token I can say that US Americans are an aggressive people since for no reason they pull a gun and kill half of their co-workers or school-friends.

Really, someone who did cultural studies should know better than making such overgeneralizations.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1977799]Can you tell us where you get away with not paying the house money at a brothel. I see you making it on to the Pattaya One News site shortly.[/QUOTE]I would actually agree with Tom on this account. The fuck shops that are disguised as massage parlors (Soi Chaiyapoom) there is no reason to pay the price for a phony massage. You should probably tell them up front though that you only want boom boom and no massage. Even to me these places do not give me value for money when I can go to a normal massage shop, get a real outcall massage for 500 and throw in an extra 500 to fuck all in the comfort of my own crib.

Greetings, finally my boots on the ground.

Last night went to script as per usual on Walking Street. Around 8 pm or so when the gogo's start opening, not a whole lot of people but I still see masses of tour groups led by their leader with the flag. So tourists are still there. An hour or so later and then it starts getting crowded. May get busier as these last week or so of the year's end sees a lot of crowds.

Went to a few gogo's including Sensations. Lots of hot chicks but was not interested in barfining any.

Today went down to Soi 6, walked up and down just to see the sights.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1977832]The fuck shops that are disguised as massage parlors (Soi Chaiyapoom) there is no reason to pay the price for a phony massage. You should probably tell them up front though that you only want boom boom and no massage. Even to me these places do not give me value for money when I can go to a normal massage shop, get a real outcall massage for 500 and throw in an extra 500 to fuck all in the comfort of my own crib.[/QUOTE]Are you saying that the owner of the shop should just allow the girls to use their shop for free and not collect 200-300 door fee? I agree with you that when I see a hot massage girl I make arrangements for her come over on her day off. No 200-300 extra charge and most come over for 1000 including massage, if wanted, and boom boom.

I recently had a great massage from one of these non massage places on Central Avenue. Better than the top end Health Land massage I paid 990 baht for.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1977799]Can you tell us where you get away with not paying the house money at a brothel. I see you making it on to the Pattaya One News site shortly.[/QUOTE]First have another Gin and tonic and relax. Maybe my last sentence was unclear. You always have to pay a house fee. I am talking about one girl I had an experience with that outside of the house fee. Wanted me to pay her 1500 baut which was more than any other girl in the same shop. When I asked her why she says the boss makes her pay 500 baut each customer. So she was lying! The point of my story was not to tell a story for entertainment. It was to help guys that are here not get suckered.

There are guys on this site that are just miserable. They go through each sentence of a post and try to attack the poster. This is the exact reason I don't write detailed trip reports anymore. It just a waste of my breath.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1977735]I have a simpler theory as to why tattoos seem to be increasing with the bargirls.

Getting tattoos is simply just one of those trendy things people like to follow and copycat each other. Look at young girls in your home country, like the USA. I start to see many young people getting tattoos. It's because these young people see their celebrity idols getting tattoos, and they think it's cool so they start getting them and it just spreads like that.

Same with Thai bargirls. They see their friends getting tattoos and now they want one because they think it looks cool and it's the 'in' thing or some weird status symbol. You have to realize a lot of these girls are like young people anywhere else that tend to have a lot of disposable income. They get bored and spend their free time looking for things to buy. So they want to get a tattoo because they think it looks good and it spreads to other girls.[/QUOTE]Olderman4U,

First Sir this is just my opinion about bar girls and tattoos. I do understand how some are for luck etc. But, you can usually tell how long a girl works by how many tattoos she has. Many of these girls go a little overboard with these tattoos. Maybe in western culture tattoo are style. But, in my opinion when I see a Thai girl covered in Thai tattoos to me it means she is a bar girl. I think many Thais would assume this also because many Thais not in the sex industry don't have these tattoos.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1977847]Are you saying that the owner of the shop should just allow the girls to use their shop for free and not collect 200-300 door fee? I agree with you that when I see a hot massage girl I make arrangements for her come over on her day off. No 200-300 extra charge and most come over for 1000 including massage, if wanted, and boom boom.

I recently had a great massage from one of these non massage places on Central Avenue. Better than the top end Health Land massage I paid 990 baht for.[/QUOTE]Banana Boi,

You are missing the point of the post. The point of the post is that some massage places are not massage places. They are brothels which I am sure you know. You have a list of different massages to get. Lets say you can pay for the 200 Thai massage or the 300 oil massage. The smart guy will pay the 200 as he walks past the 5 thinly dressed girls into the shop. Because he knows he is not getting a massage. You then criticize the guy buy saying should the house not charge money and work for fee as you yourself cut the shop out of making money by cutting a side deal with the girl. No-one is saying the house should not make money. What we are saying is take the lowest price massage because you are not getting a massage.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1977847]Are you saying that the owner of the shop should just allow the girls to use their shop for free and not collect 200-300 door fee?[/QUOTE]No. But I think you are assuming that the owner does not get a cut of the 1000 you pay for sex while I am assuming they do. Take Loleetas (wtf the correct spelling is a prohibited word on ISG) for instance. You pay 700 and there are no other fees. Surely the entire 700 does not belong to the girl. Take a soapy for another instance. You know the entire 1800 is not going to the girl. Places that charge a bar fine or room fee, are we really even sure that the entire portion of the other money goes to the girl?

Now that I damn think about it, a board member introduced me to a friend of his who opened one of those places. Wanting to be a good guy I went ahead and asked for a massage. I had no fucking idea it was a jack shack until the massage started and I realized the girl had no idea what she was doing. There is no way that she had even attended the first day of anybody's massage school.

So I fucked the chick (had no idea what she was doing along those lines either), handed her 1000 baht (didn't get a price nor negotiate it beforehand wanting the other bm to look good - and remember that if I happen to get FS with a chick in a normal massage shop then I only pay 500 for the FS portion), and walked back outside of the shop where him and the owner were. So with the 1000 that I handed over, I was not asked to pay an additional "massage fee."

Every time I ride by the shop the owner stops me, asks about the board member (who she does talk to every now and then), and asks me to check out the girls and bring friends by. I took FLHawk by there as a matter of fact. I also took Dcfan there and he had a session. I don't think he paid for the massage part either. Again, in a legit massage place I do pay the 150 baht for the massage and the 500 for FS, but on Soi Chaiyapoom no way - 1000 baht (if not less) all-in should get any monger taken care of.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977889]First Sir this is just my opinion about bar girls and tattoos. I do understand how some are for luck etc. But, you can usually tell how long a girl works by how many tattoos she has. Many of these girls go a little overboard with these tattoos. Maybe in western culture tattoo are style. But, in my opinion when I see a Thai girl covered in Thai tattoos to me it means she is a bar girl. I think many Thais would assume this also because many Thais not in the sex industry don't have these tattoos.[/QUOTE]A lot of Thai women under 35 who are not bar girls have tattoos that are not the luck kind. I think it may be that when they are dressed the tattoos may be covered, whereas you may notice it more on a hooker because many times they walk around half dressed. Bro tattoos are the style all over the planet now.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977895]Banana Boi,

You are missing the point of the post. The point of the post is that some massage places are not massage places. They are brothels which I am sure you know. You have a list of different massages to get. Lets say you can pay for the 200 Thai massage or the 300 oil massage. .....What we are saying is take the lowest price massage because you are not getting a massage.[/QUOTE]OK understood. Imo there is NO legit massage place unless you're going to the huge high end place like Health Land and the ones near Hollywood where massages with no extras can nearly 4000 baht for massage only. Even at those I bet you could convince some girls but since I am usually at those with a girl I brought I don't ask.

On a similar topic I haven't paid a bar fine for a gogo girl for months and I go out with many of them.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1977969]OK understood. Imo there is NO legit massage place unless you're going to the huge high end place like Health Land and the ones near Hollywood where massages with no extras can nearly 4000 baht for massage only.[/QUOTE]Most massage places are legit. You are not going to walk into O-ring or Savannah and be able to stick your dick into a worker there and their massages are 10 times under 4000 baht. Also are you not considering the huge, low budget places that bus loads of Chinese on package tours go to as legit? For expensive places such as Dusit you are merely paying for ambiance. The actual massage is not really different from any other licensed one.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1977972] For expensive places such as Dusit you are merely paying for ambiance. The actual massage is not really different from any other licensed one.[/QUOTE]True. As someone who has had the Spa massage at the Dusit in Pattaya, I can vouch for the ambiance. The oil based incense type fragrance that burns over a lit lamp is IMO simply heavenly and mesmerizing. I bought a few of the vials to take back from their Spa and enjoyed it greatly every time back home, particularly in the winter.

So, yes you are paying for the ambiance and they also surely take into account that mostly expensive dicks stay there, so prices are " Spa " prices for expensive dicks.

Alas, I have now graduated and am no longer an expensive dick when I visit Pats.

Friendly disclaimer: This is not a report but rather pre-trip notes and questions leading up to my trip in Feb 2017. This is long, so feel free to skip over as there is no reporting here. I post this for two reason. First, to get recommendations, insights, general thoughts and secondly for the brand new folks on how one monger's thought process works. I am by no means a vet and frankly I haven't mongered in over ten years. Still, I enjoy reading these types of reports (or lack thereof) so I hoped someone might see some value in this long-winded ramble of thoughts.

First off I'the like to thank: Banana Boi, Mr. Enternational, Kumbu, FLHawk, Wolvenvacht, Haven123, Gin and Tonic, and many others for all the reports and information. The information on ISG will be invaluable during my trip. I intend to do my part and report during and certainly after my trip.

As mentioned, I'm planning my third trip to LOS for this February. I haven't been in 12 years. I have my flight and hotel booked. I'm staying in Central Pattaya at a nice boutique 4 star. In my two prior trips I stayed in North Pattaya at Greenpark resort. I considered that place this time, but decided I wanted a different locale. I do love the pool at Greenpark. If you haven't seen it just google image search Greenpark Resort Pattaya. Anyway, the place I'm staying at has a small pool so if I want to take a soak, there should be no problems. The location where I'm staying seems decent. I did want something a little quieter, less traffic around, blah blah blah.

I arrive at BKK on a Sunday at about 4 pm. I planned on taking VR Taxi Private Service. From what I've read on here (and I confirmed on their website) it is 1000 be from BKK to Pattaya. If anyone has any other recommendations on transportation to and from Patts, I'm all ears. I'm looking for dependability and comfort above saving 100 or 200 be.

I'll be in Pattaya for 7 days and 6 nights. I know, not very long, especially considering I'm flying in from the US (West Coast). However, I haven't had a real vacation in years. So, I thought eff it; Take a trip somewhere where I can kick back a few days, while also having easy, inexpensive and safe access to pussy. Having been to Pattaya twice before, it was the first place I considered. On the other hand, I had been there and done that so I strongly considered Brazil or Colombia. I've never been to South America so that appealed to me. Being able to check another continent off the list, and all that would have been cool too. And not to mention, South American women are fine as hell and from what I've read here (and other places) a mongerer can have a hell of a time down there. Alas I chose LOS and I'm very excited to be returning. I'm 37 and an optimist so I'm confident I have time over the next few years to make my way down to South America and partake in some fun that it has to offer.

Another reason I chose LOS is because it has been 12 years since I've mongered and I know it. Simply put, it is familiar. Early in 2016 I ended an 11 year relationship. So, in the last 11 years, outside of 5 or 6 trips to a rub and tug over that time, it was the same old same old. So, knowing Pattaya (although it has been over a decade) I felt this would be a good place to get back in the mongering game, even if I can only stay for about a week.

I feel I have a good idea of what to expect with the P4 P scene in Pattaya. I. e. , GoGo bar fines and ST vs LT, the Beach Road FL Scene, Soi 6 onsight BF and ST, etc. I've RTFF a lot over the last few weeks (I went back about 175 pages to Feb 2016 to get an idea of how things are the time of year I'll be there) and I'll continue to read so as to ensure I'm aware of trends, changes, etc. One thing I'm excited about is the discos. When I was last in Pattaya (2005), I didn't do much research and mainly hung out at the beer bars. I hit a couple BJ bars, but frankly I was not focused as much on how hot the girls were. I would get a beer buzz going and by 11 pm, I'the be pretty drunk and tired so I'the just bar fine a girl, take her to my room and knock it out. It was great, don't get me wrong, but most of the mornings I would wake up and look at my date, and think: "Damn, this girl is a little busted, and I thought she was so cute last night" LOL Typically, in that state of mind, I focus more on the body and attitude. But, back to discos. I've read all about iBar and Insomnia (up stairs), 808, The Marine Bar and a few others. (Haven123 has reported heavily on the disco scene) I've never pulled a FL before. One question I had was around the mention of how the way you dress and look in general (I assume smell, groomed etc. Applies) can dictate how much success you can have with the FLs in some of the discus / clubs. I feel I should do pretty well. I don't mean to sound conceited but like I mentioned, I'm 37, clean cut white male. 6 ft tall about 200 lbs. I'm not jacked or anything but you tell I lift and run and take pretty good care of myself. However, my question is around dress at the discos / clubs. Should I plan on packing designer jeans and / or slacks, dress shoes and button down shirts? Like the stuff I would wear to a club in the US? While on vacation, especially in a place like Pattaya, I like to where a polo or nice t-shirt, some khaki shorts, and some nice sneakers or flip flops. Any insight would be helpful on optimizing my opportunities to pull some hotties from the discos / clubs.

My preliminary thoughts on how I'll spend my time are as follows. I'm open to suggestions from Vets on how you'the use your time. I really want to make the most of my 6 nights.

I'm budgeting about $2,000 USD for mongering activities alone. I'll have another set of funds set aside for food, drinks, a little shopping, local transportation, any tours, etc. Also, if you guys have any recommendations on traditional touristy stuff to do I'the love to see it. I intend to do some research, but I haven't as of yet.

I kind of envision my days like this:

Wake up sometime between 1 pm and 3 pm with the girl I pulled from iBAR / Insomnia the night before. Hit it again when we wake, then pay her to leave. I'll probably go for a half hour jog on the treadmill at the hotel then take a shower, get some breakfast then head to a massage place or one of the many gentlemen's clubs. I've read good things about Kinaree. I also like BJ bars. I'the really love to find a place where I can get a good double BJ ending with CIM / CIF for both girls. Something I've never done. After that, I'll either go for a nap or perhaps hit up Soi 6 as I've read the late afternoon time frame can lead to good pickings. Being that to pull the top talent at the discos, you need to be out to 4, 5, or 6 am I imagine a nap will be necessary at some point. I'm thinking from 8 or 9 pm to 1 or 2 am.

Aside from my mongering activities, I've read that a few of you guys know some of the folks at these watch shops. I'the love any intel on where to buy and best ways to negotiate these extremely hard to tell "knock off" watches.

A couple other questions: I had planned on bringing quite a bit of US cash, then exchanging it to Bhat at one of the many money changes on beach road (so I've read). I've read some of you guys have totally separate accounts and credit cards / ATM cards. Why is that? I don't have to hide anything from a SO. Is that the rationale? Obviously, fraud is a concern so I'm curious, if I should open another separate checking account? I do have a separate credit card that I use to buy a subscription to places like ISG. I'the really like to keep the cash withdrawals to a minimum. Mainly because of the fees my bank and the ATMS charge. I've read about the Schuab card, but I haven't really researched it yet. Do you deposit money on that card then access it via ATM with no / minimal fees?

Regarding cell phone use. I've seen guys mentioning buying a sim card with a data plan at the airport and using that on their phone. My issue is that my phone is not unlocked, but my carrier does offer a data and voice plan for Thailand. What are your guys' thoughts? I don't really plan on doing much online stuff, like Tender or Thaicupid, mainly because I'm only there 7 days and I've read that can take a little time to farm. I've had success in the US meeting girls on Tinder so I wonder if that's another avenue to explore. My hotel has wireless internet and what not. I mean, I'll need my phone while out so I can access google maps or a translating app, or whatever. I'm trying to decide the best way to go about it.

Thanks ahead of time for any and all responses and insight.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977889]Olderman4U,

First Sir this is just my opinion about bar girls and tattoos. I do understand how some are for luck etc. But, you can usually tell how long a girl works by how many tattoos she has. Many of these girls go a little overboard with these tattoos. Maybe in western culture tattoo are style. But, in my opinion when I see a Thai girl covered in Thai tattoos to me it means she is a bar girl. I think many Thais would assume this also because many Thais not in the sex industry don't have these tattoos.[/QUOTE]It's funny watching one culture trying to figure out the other. Tattoos are loved in Thailand, not just by the sex workers. Everybody has them, even their new king.

Let's not act like we know what's going through their minds simply because we've visited a few of their bars.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1977969]OK understood. Imo there is NO legit massage place unless you're going to the huge high end place like Health Land and the ones near Hollywood where massages with no extras can nearly 4000 baht for massage only. Even at those I bet you could convince some girls but since I am usually at those with a girl I brought I don't ask.

On a similar topic I haven't paid a bar fine for a gogo girl for months and I go out with many of them.[/QUOTE]I have had numerous massages in those massage places along second road, near Avenue shopping complex, that seemed pretty legit to me. I'm talking about the ones where the ladies wear the standard uniform, something like a white top and red pants. I usually get my upper back done, and the techniques and movements these Thai ladies did on my back were identical to the movements that were done on me by a licensed sports masseuse back home in the states. There's this one technique that really digs into the scapular area, very painful at first because so much scar tissue and knotting, same same.

I really don't know how these Thai ladies learned to do that, but they must have learned somewhere for them to be equivalent to licensed therapists back home.

My first day (12/24) in Pattaya. I did RTFF but I was too tired to venture outside. I decided to try tinder after having some success in Cambodia (FR pending). Matched with this chubby half-Indonesian whose body looked just my type. After some gentleman-like conversation, I hinted for action. She says 1000 thb for short time & gives me her mobile number. We switch to WhatsApp. I give her address & she agreed to be at reception in 1 hour. I needed time to shower.

She shows up at the parking lot & I'm happy to see she had not faked her pics. She reports to the reception & we enter my deluxe room. Cupped those ample boobs after she undressed. Fair skin. Plenty of curves. Good attitude. Face could have been a little better though. I came in doggy style. She wanted me to fuck her 2nd time but I was too tired. Damn!

The bonus: She offered to show me around city on her bike & take me to hookah bar tomorrow.

Some questions to seniors:

1. Is 1000 THB OK for ST? Another tinder match says 2000 THB for full night. Will try her tonight.

2. Where can I find girls from CIS countries (Uzbekistan, Russia etc)? I've long wanted to do them.

I had some good experiences in Bangkok & will post FR after going back home. Typing on a mobile phones is uncomfortable.

Jol moui!

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1978067]I have had numerous massages in those massage places along second road, near Avenue shopping complex, that seemed pretty legit to me. I'm talking about the ones where the ladies wear the standard uniform, something like a white top and red pants.[/QUOTE]Maybe I am being misunderstood when I used the word legit. What I meant is there are extras in the shop, not whether the massage was good or not. The very shops you mentioned above with white shirts and red pants do provide extras, at least to me. Not sure if because I am known to all the ladies there since I flirt with them almost daily as I walk by. Downstairs seems on the up and up but upstairs oil massage is another story.

[QUOTE=Dm605;1978048]Friendly disclaimer: This is not a report but rather pre-trip notes and questions leading up to my trip in Feb 2017. This is long, so feel free to skip over as there is no reporting here. I post this for two reason. First, to get recommendations, insights, general thoughts and secondly for the brand new folks on how one monger's thought process works. I am by no means a vet and frankly I haven't mongered in over ten years. Still, I enjoy reading these types of reports (or lack thereof) so I hoped someone might see some value in this long-winded ramble of thoughts.

First off I'the like to thank: Banana Boi, Mr. Enternational, Kumbu, FLHawk, Wolvenvacht, Haven123, Gin and Tonic, and many others for all the reports and information. The information on ISG will be invaluable during my trip. I intend to do my part and report during and certainly after my trip.

As mentioned, I'm planning my third trip to LOS for this February. I haven't been in 12 years. I have my flight and hotel booked. I'm staying in Central Pattaya at a nice boutique 4 star. In my two prior trips I stayed in North Pattaya at Greenpark resort. I considered that place this time, but decided I wanted a different locale. I do love the pool at Greenpark. If you haven't seen it just google image search Greenpark Resort Pattaya. Anyway, the place I'm staying at has a small pool so if I want to take a soak, there should be no problems. The location where I'm staying seems decent. I did want something a little quieter, less traffic around, blah blah blah.

I arrive at BKK on a Sunday at about 4 pm. I planned on taking VR Taxi Private Service. From what I've read on here (and I confirmed on their website) it is 1000 be from BKK to Pattaya. If anyone has any other recommendations on transportation to and from Patts, I'm all ears. I'm looking for dependability and comfort above saving 100 or 200 be.

I'll be in Pattaya for 7 days and 6 nights. I know, not very long, especially considering I'm flying in from the US (West Coast). However, I haven't had a real vacation in years. So, I thought eff it; Take a trip somewhere where I can kick back a few days, while also having easy, inexpensive and safe access to pussy. Having been to Pattaya twice before, it was the first place I considered. On the other hand, I had been there and done that so I strongly considered Brazil or Colombia. I've never been to South America so that appealed to me. Being able to check another continent off the list, and all that would have been cool too. And not to mention, South American women are fine as hell and from what I've read here (and other places) a mongerer can have a hell of a time down there. Alas I chose LOS and I'm very excited to be returning. I'm 37 and an optimist so I'm confident I have time over the next few years to make my way down to South America and partake in some fun that it has to offer.

Another reason I chose LOS is because it has been 12 years since I've mongered and I know it. Simply put, it is familiar. Early in 2016 I ended an 11 year relationship. So, in the last 11 years, outside of 5 or 6 trips to a rub and tug over that time, it was the same old same old. So, knowing Pattaya (although it has been over a decade) I felt this would be a good place to get back in the mongering game, even if I can only stay for about a week.

I feel I have a good idea of what to expect with the P4 P scene in Pattaya. I. e. , GoGo bar fines and ST vs LT, the Beach Road FL Scene, Soi 6 onsight BF and ST, etc. I've RTFF a lot over the last few weeks (I went back about 175 pages to Feb 2016 to get an idea of how things are the time of year I'll be there) and I'll continue to read so as to ensure I'm aware of trends, changes, etc. One thing I'm excited about is the discos. When I was last in Pattaya (2005), I didn't do much research and mainly hung out at the beer bars. I hit a couple BJ bars, but frankly I was not focused as much on how hot the girls were. I would get a beer buzz going and by 11 pm, I'the be pretty drunk and tired so I'the just bar fine a girl, take her to my room and knock it out. It was great, don't get me wrong, but most of the mornings I would wake up and look at my date, and think: "Damn, this girl is a little busted, and I thought she was so cute last night" LOL Typically, in that state of mind, I focus more on the body and attitude. But, back to discos. I've read all about iBar and Insomnia (up stairs), 808, The Marine Bar and a few others. (Haven123 has reported heavily on the disco scene) I've never pulled a FL before. One question I had was around the mention of how the way you dress and look in general (I assume smell, groomed etc. Applies) can dictate how much success you can have with the FLs in some of the discus / clubs. I feel I should do pretty well. I don't mean to sound conceited but like I mentioned, I'm 37, clean cut white male. 6 ft tall about 200 lbs. I'm not jacked or anything but you tell I lift and run and take pretty good care of myself. However, my question is around dress at the discos / clubs. Should I plan on packing designer jeans and / or slacks, dress shoes and button down shirts? Like the stuff I would wear to a club in the US? While on vacation, especially in a place like Pattaya, I like to where a polo or nice t-shirt, some khaki shorts, and some nice sneakers or flip flops. Any insight would be helpful on optimizing my opportunities to pull some hotties from the discos / clubs.

My preliminary thoughts on how I'll spend my time are as follows. I'm open to suggestions from Vets on how you'the use your time. I really want to make the most of my 6 nights.

I'm budgeting about $2,000 USD for mongering activities alone. I'll have another set of funds set aside for food, drinks, a little shopping, local transportation, any tours, etc. Also, if you guys have any recommendations on traditional touristy stuff to do I'the love to see it. I intend to do some research, but I haven't as of yet.

I kind of envision my days like this:

Wake up sometime between 1 pm and 3 pm with the girl I pulled from iBAR / Insomnia the night before. Hit it again when we wake, then pay her to leave. "........".............



Thanks ahead of time for any and all responses and insight.

Cheers![/QUOTE]DM605 : You will do well at Ibar / Insomnia based on the info you provided about yourself. Dress hip, shave / shower before you get there. And I suggest about 12:30 or 1 am at the earliest. Avoid the girls in the lower level who play pool and avoid girls in groups of 3 or more. I suggest fashionable jeans (no shorts), hip shirts or dress shirts and dress shoes.

Be fun! Be active and move around so you can scope out all the girls in the club on a given night. Observe carefully, while smiling and making eye contact if you like a girl. I believe prime time is about 3-4 am to strike, but then you could also lose out on girls who already have been taken out. So, luck plays a big part.

Do not ask how much. You go say Hi, offer to buy a drink (not for any friends of the girl) try to chat and just move with the beat. If after that conversation you size up the girl and decide she fits your taste then ask if she wants to go with you. (go with me, go with you is the phrase they all use). If you want ST offer 1,000. If you want LT offer 1,500. If the girls says 2,000ST say thanks and move on. If the girl wants 1,500ST or 2,500 LT you should be able to meet at 1,300ST or 2,000 LT at the max. I assume you will not be looking for the GO GO girls or Soi 6 girls who show up there. Most of those will only want ST and will IMO not be worth it. If you like Soi 6 , get the girl there rather than at Insomnia. IMO, girls over 30 usually are very experienced and generally will have had too many bad experiences in the past with Thai guys and farang guys. So they tend to be very businesslike.

FYI, it has been 7 months since I have been to Pattaya, so keep that in mind. I will be there again in Jan and Feb for 5 weeks, so I will update the scene in mid to late Jan. From what I am seeing in the visitor posts on Insomnia page, it seems like a heck of lot of Soi 6 girls come to party at Insomnia after 130 am. It seems that many girls now are chastened by asshole farangs who give them the impression that they love them or want a LT relationship with them. PLease don't do that! Most western guys BS a lot and are MFing assholes IMO, so don't be one!

If you are and want to be a butterfly, make sure they understand that upfront and keep it that way. You are there for just 1 week, so trial and error leads to learning. You will do great IMO. Although that depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for top looks 9/10, then go to the top go gos. If you want quick ST, then Soi 6 is your option, IMO. (I never saw a single BR girl on my last trip that I liked). Plus I prefer a different setting and ambiance to get to know a girl first. I am a quick study and my MO is different as I am looking for 3-4 day type of deals. Where I hang with them mostly 24*7 and go shoppIng, restaurants etc. I keep expectations low and after the first night if I like them then they will have the option to stay. If things go well, I usually pay up to 2 times what I agreed to (I don't do ST at all. 0 %), except for massage girls who agree to come to my apt for a legit massage with extras and who want to return at night for LT. These are girls that will not show up at places like Insomnia because they have to work the next morning. I look for freelancers or those whose employers will allow them to not come in for a day or two, subject to fine of say 400 baht per day. Which I then pay on top of what I agreed to. So, YMMV.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1978050]It's funny watching one culture trying to figure out the other. Tattoos are loved in Thailand, not just by the sex workers. Everybody has them, even their new king.

Let's not act like we know what's going through their minds simply because we've visited a few of their bars.[/QUOTE]FYI, those pictures of the King are from May, and they show him with fake tattoos at the Munich airport runway. So those aren't even real tattoos.

And you say everybody has them (in Thailand), but outside of the bars and red light areas, I rarely see ordinary Thai women in public with any tattoos at least visible ones. I'm wondering what you base this on.

American culture is not Thai culture, and there's absolutely no way tattoos in general are 'acceptable' in normal Thai society as it is in American society (but even at that, there is still a bias against tattoos in many parts of American society). TEFL teachers in Thailand are in fact advised to cover up their tattoos.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1977889]Olderman4U,

First Sir this is just my opinion about bar girls and tattoos. I do understand how some are for luck etc. But, you can usually tell how long a girl works by how many tattoos she has. Many of these girls go a little overboard with these tattoos. Maybe in western culture tattoo are style. But, in my opinion when I see a Thai girl covered in Thai tattoos to me it means she is a bar girl. I think many Thais would assume this also because many Thais not in the sex industry don't have these tattoos.[/QUOTE]I myself don't see regular Thai women in public sporting visible tattoos like obvious bargirls and women in the red light areas of Thailand.

I agree that young BAR girls in particular are swayed to get lots of tattoos for the reasons I stated, in that world of theirs. But outside of the bargirl social circles, I don't tend to see much non bargirl Thai women having tattoos despite what some here say.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1978131]DM605 : You will do well at Ibar / Insomnia based on the info you provided about yourself. Dress hip, shave / shower before you get there. And I suggest about 12:30 or 1 am at the earliest. Avoid the girls in the lower level who play pool and avoid girls in groups of 3 or more. I suggest fashionable jeans (no shorts), hip shirts or dress shirts and dress shoes.

Be fun! Be active and move around so you can scope out all the girls in the club on a given night. Observe carefully, while smiling and making eye contact if you like a girl. I believe prime time is about 3-4 am to strike, but then you could also lose out on girls who already have been taken out. So, luck plays a big part.

Do not ask how much. You go say Hi, offer to buy a drink (not for any friends of the girl) try to chat and just move with the beat. If after that conversation you size up the girl and decide she fits your taste then ask if she wants to go with you. (go with me, go with you is the phrase they all use). If you want ST offer 1,000..[/QUOTE]1 k for ST and 1.5 k for LT at clubs is not happening even in Pattaya any longer unless you take ladies from beach road.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1978131]DM605 : You will do well at Ibar / Insomnia based on the info you provided about yourself. Dress hip, shave / shower before you get there. And I suggest about 12:30 or 1 am at the earliest. Avoid the girls in the lower level who play pool and avoid girls in groups of 3 or more. I suggest fashionable jeans (no shorts), hip shirts or dress shirts and dress shoes.

Be fun! Be active and move around so you can scope out all the girls in the club on a given night. Observe carefully, while smiling and making eye contact if you like a girl. I believe prime time is about 3-4 am to strike, but then you could also lose out on girls who already have been taken out. So, luck plays a big part.

Do not ask how much. You go say Hi, offer to buy a drink (not for any friends of the girl) try to chat and just move with the beat. If after that conversation you size up the girl and decide she fits your taste then ask if she wants to go with you. (go with me, go with you is the phrase they all use). If you want ST offer 1,000. If you want LT offer 1,500. If the girls says 2,000ST say thanks and move on. If the girl wants 1,500ST or 2,500 LT you should be able to meet at 1,300ST or 2,000 LT at the max. I assume you will not be looking for the GO GO girls or Soi 6 girls who show up there. Most of those will only want ST and will IMO not be worth it. If you like Soi 6 , get the girl there rather than at Insomnia. IMO, girls over 30 usually are very experienced and generally will have had too many bad experiences in the past with Thai guys and farang guys. So they tend to be very businesslike...[/QUOTE]Thanks Haven! Good stuff. No way, I'm no butterfly. I don't think I'll mention I'm only there for a week. I might make it seem I'm visiting longer, but I'll make it clear what this is: Let's have a good time while I'm here. No expectations, no promises I can't keep, etc. I would be open to hanging out with a girl for a day or two if the chemistry is right, but otherwise we can make it work for one night, and have a mutually beneficial experience.

Thanks again,

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Xfreak0000;1978190]1 k for ST and 1.5 k for LT at clubs is not happening even in Pattaya any longer unless you take ladies from beach road.[/QUOTE]Worked for me in May. But not every time. Max I agreed to was 2 k LT. But as I said I don't go for 9's or 10's. Usually 7's or even close to 7's. And I only do LT.

One girl, I would say a solid 8, with a Swiss sponsor/boyfriend, who asked for 2,500 LT, agreed to 2k and when we were together actually told me she'd even go for 1K LT, IF the guy was young ( I'm not !!) and she really liked him. So, there are many variables. But, you've to look decent, dress well, look interesting and have some game. If you are a dodo bird and just sit there and stare and have no game , you will have to pay more...

And usually when I like a girl she stays with me for several days when I sense there is chemistry. And then unbeknownst to them, at the end they do very well. With shopping, going out to eat and etc and end up on average with about 3 k per day, at least ( in cash alone). But, I usually slip it into their purse, in front on them before they leave and look to see if they count before they leave. If they do, then I don't have them back. Most don't, after a few days, because they have a good time and a good experience. I don't aim for counts or total numbers, just quality of my experience with them. It's all relative. But I don't go over 3 days, lest they have false expectations.

Out of the 100's each night at Insomnia, I may only be interested in about 5-7 and then I chat with them and see what I want to do after buying them a drink. Several approach me almost every night but I decline in a very nice and respectful Thai way with my hands.

We all have our different approaches and different ways. I am probably quite a bit different than most, in many ways, because I am happy to go for several nights returning from Insomnia at 6 or 7 am, all by myself. I am very patient and very relaxed since I know I'm there for several weeks. However, in the last 6-7 days, I change, and probably am not so patient and lose my normal discipline.

I will post an update in a few weeks about any changes. YMMV as I said. And it is always true.

[QUOTE=Xfreak0000;1978190]1 k for ST and 1.5 k for LT at clubs is not happening even in Pattaya any longer unless you take ladies from beach road.[/QUOTE]Which clubs have you been to? In general I pay 1 K for LT. And in the 11 years that I have been going to Thailand (including the 7 years that I have been living in Pattaya) I have never given more than 1.5 K LT.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1978294]Which clubs have you been to? In general I pay 1 K for LT. And in the 11 years that I have been going to Thailand (including the 7 years that I have been living in Pattaya) I have never given more than 1.5 K LT.[/QUOTE]Hey, Mr Ent, let's not forget to say that you live in Pattaya and speak quite a bit of Thai, and are not an old dude like me!

Also, if a guy does not have the experience level in Thailand and / or Pattaya and is only there for a week (given other flight, hotel and opportunity costs), I think it is better logical reasoning to offer more than an experienced Pattaya hand like you.

If you are spending a total of say $4 k USD ( like the original poster) on a 1 week trip, I suggest not to quibble about 500 baht. But, a priori, you don't want to agree to too much, so as to keep expectations low and then pay more based on your overall experience with them. Really good ones are hard to find, so when I find that to be the case and with good chemistry and a cool, relaxed attitude, then I want to keep that one longer, so I am not hunting every day. YMMV, but my hit ratio on a good experience is usually only about 50-60 percent, so it makes sense for me to see if things get better with time. Usually, the good ones work out, but after three or four days they want more, are scoping for more info about you etc. ,. that's when I move on. But, sometimes, I return to those maybe 20-30 PC of the time. 70-80 PC of the time, I don't look back.

One final tidbit, if they speak a lot of English then IMO they are old hands at the game, so I avoid them. I am always looking for relative newcomers who have only been in Pattaya 1-2 months at most, or are in non-bar girl, go go or coyote type jobs. But still under 25. These are hard to find and are few and far between.....

[QUOTE=Haven123;1978306]Hey, Mr Ent, let's not forget to say that you live in Pattaya and speak quite a bit of Thai, and are not an old dude like me![/QUOTE]My dad is 66 and can not even say hello, in Thai, but he does the same. He even got on me when I was having a jai dee moment and gave a girl 1500 because she called her friend who was with him and told her, making the friend then want 1500 from him. I believe that was on his first trip to Thailand.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1978136]FYI, those pictures of the King are from May, and they show him with fake tattoos at the Munich airport runway. So those aren't even real tattoos.

And you say everybody has them (in Thailand), but outside of the bars and red light areas, I rarely see ordinary Thai women in public with any tattoos at least visible ones. I'm wondering what you base this on.

American culture is not Thai culture, and there's absolutely no way tattoos in general are 'acceptable' in normal Thai society as it is in American society (but even at that, there is still a bias against tattoos in many parts of American society). TEFL teachers in Thailand are in fact advised to cover up their tattoos.[/QUOTE]Those tattoos are definitely not fake. Cite anything credible saying they are.

I can cite several sources affirming they are real.

I have seen several women with them. I lived in Phuket and met plenty of people with them. Some bar girls get them for the reasons mentioned earlier, but stereotyping them all is stupid.

Old people just can't accept what they can't understand.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1978137]I myself don't see regular Thai women in public sporting visible tattoos like obvious bargirls and women in the red light areas of Thailand.

I agree that young BAR girls in particular are swayed to get lots of tattoos for the reasons I stated, in that world of theirs. But outside of the bargirl social circles, I don't tend to see much non bargirl Thai women having tattoos despite what some here say.[/QUOTE]Regular Thai women simply don't display as much skin as bar girls.

At a Christmas dinner. Office one. In a European country, a woman, looking absolutely normal and conservative by face, had an evening dress on. Her back, arms, shoulders were a full and solid canvas with large coloured tattoos.

Did not even had any piercing on ears or anywhere (visible) as these often go together with large portions of ink on the skin (maybe a stereotype too).

[QUOTE=Adrena;1978050]It's funny watching one culture trying to figure out the other. Tattoos are loved in Thailand, not just by the sex workers. Everybody has them, even their new king.

Let's not act like we know what's going through their minds simply because we've visited a few of their bars.[/QUOTE]The new Elvis is also one of a kind!

I flew on the same plane with him once, regular TG flight, from Munich, and I can tell you some of his staff was quite unique for a royal staff.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1978314]My dad is 66 and can not even say hello, in Thai, but he does the same. He even got on me when I was having a jai dee moment and gave a girl 1500 because she called her friend who was with him and told her, making the friend then want 1500 from him. I believe that was on his first trip to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Jajaja. As the Latin girls say!

That's a cool story Mr Ent. I will keep that I mind!

Anyways, the Prime reasons I don't like to offer more upfront is because a) I want to keep expectations low and b) experience tells me that in my specific case the more I offer upfront has almost zero statistical correlation to what happens later. However, I am sure they are all very surprised when I give them an extra 3-4 k at the end of say 3 days (on top of some shopping). And, this is another reason I don't go with regulars at Insomnia or girls in groups or from other places where they will talk to each other. I prefer being a mystery man, rather than one who the girls know ( outside of the club ), cause I don't want my MO known too broadly. During the weeks I am there next I doubt I will go with more than 8 from Insomnia ( or any other club ). If 4-5 of them are good then they will be with me a total of 12-15 days. 3-4 will be non repeats and with no extension beyond the first LT. 6-8 nights I will probably go back to my apt by myself at 6 or 7 am !!! The rest will be the 2-3 massage girls at my apt for LT and just rest up days. So, as you can see I approach all this quite differently and expect different results than most guys here . I am weird ! I know! Lol

I was in Latam a two months ago for 3 weeks and preferred to stay pretty much the entire time with a 20 yo, who I have known since she tuned 18. She is not a pro, maybe an occasional pro, with a desk job and taking English classes ( 3 days a week even when I was there brining back homework and her marked up quizzes and tests ). But she is great dancer and I love dancing hip hop ( Latin hip hop too ) and pop for 4-5 hours a night !! So, as you can see I have become weird in my old age !! Haha lol MFer!😀

[QUOTE=Adrena;1978327]Those tattoos are definitely not fake. Cite anything credible saying they are.

I can cite several sources affirming they are real.

I have seen several women with them. I lived in Phuket and met plenty of people with them. Some bar girls get them for the reasons mentioned earlier, but stereotyping them all is stupid.

Old people just can't accept what they can't understand.[/QUOTE]Sure, here goes one link (of multiple that make the same observation that these are not real tattoos):

[URL]http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/scandal-sex-and-crop-tops-the-scandalplagued-life-of-playboy-prince-vajiralongkorn/news-story/c66430cb5f508259c4d5270347ea72bd[/URL]

"Various images showed the Prince wearing different variations of tattoo, leaving "the only plausible conclusion is that these are not permanent tattoos, they are fake tattoos, probably transfers", according to journalist Andrew Marshall. "

I will eagerly await your citation of several sources that these are real tattoos.

By the way, I have no idea why you seem to be making this into an ageist thread. Not sure what being old or young has anything to do with observing what is going on in society.

Looking forward to a trip during New Years. Got a room at LK empress on beach road. Not sure if that was the best choice after rtff. Will be on the ground for 10 days. I have learned a lot on here. This is my 3 Road trip to Thailand first was BKK the 2nd was to Phuket. Hope Pattaya does not disappoint. From what I have been reading it seems go go girls are as much as Internet escort sites by the time you pay the bar fine and the girl. Anyway I guess I will figure it out over the next few weeks. That's part of the adventure. How is the talent looking hoping lots of new girls for the high season.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1978050]It's funny watching one culture trying to figure out the other. Tattoos are loved in Thailand, not just by the sex workers. Everybody has them, even their new king.

Let's not act like we know what's going through their minds simply because we've visited a few of their bars.[/QUOTE]Adrena,

Cute, but maybe you are speaking from you own experience dropping by a few bars and understanding their culture. I have been coming here year for almost 20 years and staying many times for a month each time. So my experience is a little deeper than a visiting a few bars.

The tattoos theory is just my theory. No need for johns to take things personally. I understand that many guys come to Thailand and cannot get a girl in the real world so they come to Thailand and in their mind these girls love them and are their girlfriends. They believe the fantasy. Don't drink the kool-aid and believe Thailand is real. Thailand is just a fantasy and it is not real. No money no honey. I love the this girls and I do like trial culture. These Thai girls have a very tough job. It not easy going with customers everyday.

In Pattaya today. Walking down one of the beer bar alleys around 2 pm. Some guy from England is walking the speed of a turtle almost in the middle of the road. There was a big truck behind him that they guy did not see. I guess the truck drivers are not allowed to honk at the foreigners. I am walking toward the guy almost in the same line just opposite direction. I make motions with my hands in a nice way to move and get off the street. He looks at me like I'll do what I want. The guy in the truck was ready to explode he was literally 1 foot behind the guy. The guy continued to walk I guess thinking in his mind ill do what I want. The Truck stopped let the guys walk about 4 feet in front of it and gassed it. I was 20 feet in front off the guy. I stepped top the side and kinda cringed like when you are going to see an accident like a guy going to get creamed. The guy walking just walked slowly forward looking at me like fuck you Ill do what I want not having any idea about his surroundings. The truck gassed it. The guy walking looks back at the last second and jumps out of the way as the truck missed him by an inch. I think the truck driver felt the guys was disrespecting him but the guy walking and did not see the truck. The guy that almost got hit did not even Thank me. LOL.

I have been chatting with a normal girl from up.

North. Now she wants to meet me in Pattaya while I am on vacation. Will have to pay for her travel there and back home. Not sure if I should bring her with me or not. Told her it would only be for a few days. But she still wants to come with me. She says she is normal girl. She is 35. I am 50. I think it would be OK for a few days but don't want to get tied down to just. 1 girl. Would probably be cheaper than go go and bar girls. She is pretty from the pics she has sent but not sure if I should bring her. I leave in the morning. Long flight. But have a layover in Dubai so that should help. Guess I will make up.

My mind and let her know tomorrow when I get to Dubai.

If you're coming to Pattaya why commit yourself to one girl especially a girl you have never met or seen before. Pattaya is pretty cheap if you limit yourself to Beach Road, Red Car, Insomnia, Kinnaree, and Soi 6 (Soi Full Love Inn, Soi Honey) girls daily.

Pattaya is booming with girls now I can guarantee you your 35 year old "normal" girl is not better than girls you can find walking around Pattaya for an hour (or minutes).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1978762]If you're coming to Pattaya why commit yourself to one girl especially a girl you have never met or seen before. Pattaya is pretty cheap if you limit yourself to Beach Road, Red Car, Insomnia, Kinnaree, and Soi 6 (Soi Full Love Inn, Soi Honey) girls daily.

Pattaya is booming with girls now I can guarantee you your 35 year old "normal" girl is not better than girls you can find walking around Pattaya for an hour (or minutes).[/QUOTE]Thanks Banana.

She has been blowing my phone up for hours. She is very clingy. I will just solo it. Fly out in a few hours. Pattaya here I come.

[QUOTE=DuckMan2;1978562]I have been chatting with a normal girl from up.

North. Now she wants to meet me in Pattaya while I am on vacation. Will have to pay for her travel there and back home. Not sure if I should bring her with me or not. Told her it would only be for a few days. But she still wants to come with me. She says she is normal girl. She is 35. I am 50. I think it would be OK for a few days but don't want to get tied down to just. 1 girl. Would probably be cheaper than go go and bar girls. She is pretty from the pics she has sent but not sure if I should bring her. I leave in the morning. Long flight. But have a layover in Dubai so that should help. Guess I will make up.

My mind and let her know tomorrow when I get to Dubai.[/QUOTE]If you are already going to be in Pattaya, I can assure you that you will not have any need nor desire to import a 35-year old woman to be with you. The beach already has sand, and does not need you to bring any. The ocean already has water, and does not need you to bring any. Similarly, the bars and streets and massage places and clubs already have tons of girls who will fuck you for very little money, and there is no need for you to bring any.

I stopped into a few places on Monday night in walking street area. I had never been in Secrets, I had one drink and left, It was too quiet about 10 PM. Next went to Dollhouse because it was right there. The 2 girls in the soapy tub were fun, as previously reported, otherwise nothing special. Nudity is apparently up to the individual. And older dancer trying to compete with the more prevalent younger ones was completely nude. Many ladies danced topless. I was too quick to accept my change and discovered too late that I had been shorted 100 baht. My bad. Next I went to "Red Car" which for the newbies is actually named Walking Street Pub and has a 1955 Chevie hanging on the wall at the entrance. This was my first time in there, by now it is midnight and it is packed. However it looked to me like men outnumbered women 2 to 1. The music is current and good. I am a senior monger in every sense. I was attracted to an older woman with an amazing sense of style. We made eye contact across the room more than once. When I approached her she abruptly turned her back to me and slammed that door shut. I then moved on to Bamboo Bar right around the corner. Mostly dregs to be found. A few so bad I cannot imagine how they get by. I considered trying Beach Road FLs but I chose to go home alone at 2 AM.

Sir, I invite you to consider two additional points beyond the valid ones already presented to you. One, if she is "normal", her willingness to meet up in Pattaya is highly suspect. Two, if she needs travel funds this is often a scam of various types. Possibly being a no show, or she's already in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1978762]If you're coming to Pattaya why commit yourself to one girl especially a girl you have never met or seen before. Pattaya is pretty cheap if you limit yourself to Beach Road, Red Car, Insomnia, Kinnaree, and Soi 6 (Soi Full Love Inn, Soi Honey) girls daily.

Pattaya is booming with girls now I can guarantee you your 35 year old "normal" girl is not better than girls you can find walking around Pattaya for an hour (or minutes).[/QUOTE]I totally agree.

It seems like a topic we read here from time to time, where guys ask our thoughts about meeting up with a girl they met online.

Last time this subject came up, several of us advised the guy not to take a girl he met online only, on an extended trip. Of course he ignored our advice and went ahead anyways, and he ended up having a bad time and validated our previous advice.

My guess is that he will still meet up with her. My take is that he is probably fishing for a 'good' girl that he might be looking for on the side, but at the same time wanting to have his fun with the working girls. Happens all the time with guys.

I wouldn't do such a thing myself, especially if I have to pay for a girl to meet me from afar. But it is his time off in Thailand to do as he wishes. It may turn out good, who knows.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1978794]One, if she is "normal", her willingness to meet up in Pattaya is highly suspect.[/QUOTE]Not true at all. Many normal chicks would like to meet up in Pattaya; especially those who have never been because they want to see what it is like. To you it is a sex paradise where men go to get laid and women go to get paid, but not everyone sees it with those same eyes.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1978794]Two, if she needs travel funds this is often a scam of various types. Possibly being a no show, or she's already in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Now this one I may have to call into question. I have met a lot of fucking Thai chicks online. And the ones who did come to visit me in Pattaya never asked for 1 fucking baht to get there. They would just wait until they had the money if they didn't already. Chicks in Philippines and Dominican Republic will try that shit, but a Thai chick never that I have experienced. I would have been curious and asked her how much she would need to get to Pattaya. That would have given you a better idea of whether it was legit or not.

Remember guys that you do not go to Disneyworld and just keep riding the same ride over and over. You save that for an obscure low budget carnival where there are only 2 rides. In a place like Pattaya you do not want to tie yourself down to one person. Now if you were going to Chiang Mai then I would say go ahead and tie yourself down. But Pattaya is one of the few places on this planet where all you have to do to get laid is literally walk outside.

My first time to Pattaya was to meet a chick online. She was a hairdresser. Me and my wingman were coming down from Bangkok for 1 day so I could meet her. Neither of us had any idea what Pattaya was about. (I had already met a guy in Nana Hotel lobby in Bangkok that said he was on his way to Pattaya and when I asked what that was he said it is better and cheaper. I still didn't go there til maybe 2 trips later.)

We got there early before anything was going on so we still didn't realize what we had gotten into. But when evening came and the bars started opening up and and we walked down Soi 8 with chicks screaming at us and grabbing and pulling on us we were like what the fuck is this place.

Then she got off work and came and took us to a place called Walking Street. Rooftop (In my head I can still hear her saying Looftop) bar and Lucifer. Shit neither of our lives have been the same since. I wonder whatever happened to that chick. She was a tall slim chick with a lot of tattoos named Mam. I swear on my whole family that she was literally begging to suck my dick when we got back to the room.

Hey fellas,

Just another long trip report. I had a 3 day weekend and wanted to spend it in pattaya. Unfortunately I got real sick leading up to it, I couldn't get out of bed to catch my flight (I was too ill to move) and contemplating if I should go or just eat the costs, but the roundtrip tickets were cheap and I had already booked for 4 days at my hotel, so I bought into the sunken cost theory that I had to go and try to have a good time (this would end up being a bad idea). So I bought another one-way ticket (also turns out to be a bad idea). Once I arrived, took the bus to pattaya, and crashed at my hotel to rest up for later that night. I head to Soi 6 first and check out the talent on display, and it wasn't great. So I head into Ruby club and asked for Nikki, the girl I long timed with about 10 months ago, but everyone says she doesn't work there anymore. This guy from Finland or Norway chats me up, and no offense to my Scandinavian brothers out there, but every single one of you guys are the most awkward people to have a conversation with, not just mongers, but in general. Anyways, I notice a couple of lookers there, but nothing great enough to jump the gun on. I head to walking street and go through the motions. First Baccara, and it's funny that most of the girls that were here 10 months ago are still working here, and what I've noticed is that my tastes have changed. The girls that I bought drinks for and chatted up then, I didn't find as attractive now, which really surprised me. Saw a gorgeous 23 year old named Yoyo and chatted her up, it was about 8 pm and she wanted 8000 for long time. Get the fuck out of here! That was insane, and I weren't even going to attempt to negotiate as I'm super offended by this outrageous number. So many gorgeous women here though, but I already know I will have to pay an insane amount for terrible service.

I head to Iron club. Maybe 1 or 2 hotties. A bunch of chinese dudes comes in and just ruins the place. They're getting on top of the stage and just throwing cash around like the fools that they are. No one else in the entire place will be getting attention nor service, from anybody. I finish my drink and leave.

Skyfall, this is my go to and the reason for that is because my first time I had such a great time with a great girl, that I keep coming back desperately looking for that same experience. Unfortunately, here today, gone tomorrow is one of the motto's of Pattaya. 10 Months ago, I had an ok time. It's the same this time as well. The hottest girls here, would probably be the middle to worst looking girls at Baccara. I go through a lot of drinks and chatted up about 4 girls (I was also investing for tomorrow night as well since they were all working again). I picked my girl, who's a "model", which only means they get naked on stage and command a higher barfine price, and generally they also all have fake tits. Her name is Inn, pretty hot body and a pretty face. Price for all the girls is 5000 for long time and that doesnt include barfine, which is ridiculous considering I barfined a model for long time for 2000 about 2 years ago. Even negotiating with Inn, I'm starting to understand the game these girls play. First and foremost, they ONLY want drinks. They really don't want to fuck anyone, they will if near the end of the night there's no more chumps to buy them drinks, or they get the guys to buy them a drink to talk to them, and then give them an insane price. If the loser pays it (and it seems like the Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese men do), then that's fine for her, she's guaranteed to make a ton and not have to work anymore and only has to bang one guy. If the loser doesn't take the price, then she got her drink and can get back on stage and get more drinks. Even though Inn agreed to go with me long time, she wanted me to barfine her AFTER midnight for 2 reasons, the barfine goes from 2000 to 1500 (save me 500 baht, what a sweetheart), AND it will give her more time to scam for drinks. We agreed on long time at around 11:00 pm. So I let her get as many lady drinks as possible, and this girl was working the shit out of the room, literally moving from table to table because of the long queue of men wanting to talk to her. During this time, I was also chatting up other girls, scoping them out to be barfined tomorrow. Now, it was about 11:30 pm, and I was sick, and tired, and didn't really want to wait. I told her I wanted to leave now, so she went to go get changed, and I went and chatted up one of the previous girls again to make sure she will long time me tomorrow, which she said yes. I forgot her name, but she's insanely hot and looks mostly Indian mixed with Thai.

Inn, which I would later find out, is fucking wild and crazy, in a good and bad way. She wanted to go to disco, so we went to Lucifer (which was dead, so we immediately left), and then Insomnia where we danced most of the night away. We had a really good time and I knew the chemistry was there, the sex is going to be pretty awesome. Unfortunately, beer and alcohol in my stomach with the shaking from dancing makes me sick to death, on top of already being sick, I vomit a ton outside the 7-11, where Inn was picking us up some food, near the entrance of walking street.

Head back to my hotel, and I had to pass out. I wake up in the middle of the night and fingerbang her awake. She responds nicely by shoving her tongue down my throat, soaking the sheets, and letting me DATY her. She then gives me a BBBJ and then I slip on the cover and go into mish. Now, this is the point while I'm on top that I get a real good look at her face (she took a shower when I passed out and removed most of her makeup), and this was not the insanely hot girl from last night, she was at best average looking. God dammit, I'm so bad at spotting naturally hot girls, my dick gets easily fooled too much. Good thing her body was hot, which definitely helped me get my first nut out as fast as possible. We go back to sleep and wake up in the morning and same thing again. Fingerbang, BBBJ, DFK, mish, doggy, back to mish where I asked if I can CIM, which she smiled and said no. So I finished in mish. She told me that I'm not allowed to go back to skyfall to barfine any of those girls, she told me she's insanely jealous and it would make her look awful if I came back to barfine another girl because she didn't do a good enough job to "satisfy" me, but it's really because I like being with different girls. Well, I'm a chump, and I didn't want to make her feel bad, so I agreed not to come back the next night. All that time and drinks. Wasted.

I head to Soi 6 the next night, and walk up and down the street but no good talent, so I head back into Ruby bar. Turns out I said the wrong name, it wasn't Nikki, I was looking for Mimi, who to my luck, still worked there! She even looked so much better than I remember her. But she doesn't remember me at all. It was late at night and someone short timed her and went upstairs, it was 1 am or 2 am or something like that and the entire street was closing down, and Mimi finally comes down, after over an hour! Fuck you, whichever one of you had her! I asked if she wanted to do long time, which she agrees to, but I still had to pay the 300 barfine, wtf? The place is closed, why do I still have to pay? Haha oh well.

Go back to my hotel, and everything was starting to come back to her, I stayed at the same hotel. We caught up like old friends, and even fucked like old lovers. I asked her to put on a pair of panties I brought for her to wear and to soak them, which she willingly obliges. I fingerbang her with them on, and then she goes and gives me an amazing BBBJ. We DFK, I slip on the cover, and also a vibrating johnny ring, which drives her insane. She's soaking everything, including the panties. I only stayed in mish and blasted inside of her after pounding her so hard. During the pillow talk, I showed her my review of her on ISG, and she had such a fun time reading it. While reading it, she remembered that night. We then go eat, and she even takes me to the same restaurant we ate at last time. Go back and go to sleep. I then wake up, fingerbang, slip the cover on and do her in the spoon position, and then mish, and then blast. She's seriously such a good girl, that I will probably see her at least once whenever I am in pattaya, because I feel that it's sometimes such a hassle to try to find someone who is both beautiful on the inside and outside, and will give good service for such a good value. She instantly takes away all the frustrations from this hobby.

Anyways, the next day I head to Red point bar, and chat some girls up, some weren't bad looking, I may come back for a short time. Then I go to Me and You bar and the next girl up, was this cute 24 year old named Am. She had a really pretty face, but with some makeup on. We started flirting about what kind of bar this was, and then she starts rubbing my Johnson, and I was ready to go get serviced. She brings me to sit on the couches in the back, where there's very little privacy, but I don't care. She does a pretty good BBBJ sitting on the floor with some eye contact, but when she realizes that it's going to be pretty hard to get me to finish, she moves me to the love seat, takes off her top, and goes to town on me from the side, giving me access to her body, which I promptly fingerbang (she was soaked already) and squeeze her tits and ass. I unleash a massive load into her mouth. She keeps on sucking for 20 more seconds after, making sure every single drop is emptied out. She even cleans me up while holding my load in her mouth. Wow! What great service! We head to the bar and chit chat for a bit. She showed me her son, and a picture of herself without makeup, and for the first time, a girl who was naturally beautiful, her makeup was enhancing her features, not masking her face. She was really fun and flirty, sitting on my lap and joking around with me. She's a great girl, I think I even got into a conversation with the bar owners. Anyways, I pay the tab of 1385 with a small tip for her.

Head to Ruby bar one last time, and hang out with Mimi, we drink and eat dinner together there. I see some of the other girls that I want to short time, but it would have been a bit of a wait, but I had to head to the airport, and was too drunk and drained to probably even attempt anything. Anyways, I take a taxi to BKK, and unfortunately, because I missed the first leg of my roundtrip flight, Hong Kong Airlines cancelled my return ticket. I arrived at the airport about 2 hours before the flight, but they stop selling tickets 3 hours prior to the flight. I needed to catch this flight, as I was heading straight to work after my flight back to Hong Kong. They sold me my seat back to me, but at an insane price of $653 usd for a one-way 2 hour flight!! This is so fucking illegal, that's definitely price gouging. The flight wasn't even half full, how can they get away with doing this shit? Other than this stupid incident, I had a pretty good time, except for being massively sick, which limited my ability go hunting DAY and night. Oh well, you live and you learn right?

Happy Hunting Fellas!

Great report Thomkatt.

Sounds like you did great. Even though it seems like Inn had that business side down patt, she still gave you a good time, with two shag sessions. Being a pro and giving a guy a good time aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1979127]During the pillow talk, I showed her my review of her on ISG, and she had such a fun time reading it. While reading it, she remembered that night.[/QUOTE]ThomKatt, Thanks for posting your awesome report. I want to mention two things that I hope you will accept as friendly advice because that is my intention. First I agree with the girl that it is best not to barfine another girl from the same bar so close in time to your original barfine. Thais don't like to lose face and that could happen if you barfine more than one girl during the same trip. Losing face is a huge deal in Thailand.

Second is showing the girls ISG. I consider this website to be a special place for us. The girls don't need to be reading our thoughts, strategies, and other information. Because the girls know about websites like this it is much harder to get them to pose for pictures. I used to come back from trips with a lot of girls' pics but now they rarely agree to pose for pics because they know it could wind up on the internet.

Sorry to hear about your airplane woes. The airlines suck. Thanks again for posting.

I'm a regular visitor to Pattaya. My last visit was in October 2016. Pattaya was silent because of the mourning. But everything was available and was a buyers market. VOA fee was 2000 bath at that time.

My next trip is on Jan2017 mid. I heard that VOA fee is reduced to 1000 bath. And the sound are back in Pattaya. Is it a correct information? Still it is a buyers market?

My places of interest are Soi6, Coconut bar (old terminology), night clubs like secrets and some go go bars in WS.

Hi Fellow Mongers.

I have limited time and need to preserve sperm for the very best girls rather than hit 'and miss. With that in mind, I thought I would ask for any introductions (by PM).

I would like a nice scrotal massage, sucked then depending on my mood, usually legs up high and bang her silly, more points if she has arms long enough for a reach around whilst DFK. I tip well for good service, am polite and nice to the girls, but by good service I mean DFK, BBJCIM, no starfish factor, and a girly giggle and friendliness to boot. Some of the better / more experienced girls play with butthole and / or have toys etc for round 3-4. If anyone has any recommendations, PM me. Finding all of the above plus cold beer and lovely Thai food, some books to read and massages, a bit of sun tanning, several BJ's a day, and I think I will return to winter and subways much happier. Happy new year my friends, and anyone who wants to catch up in BKK or Pats in the first week of January, let me know.

I'm tossing up finding a buddy to tag team a girl, I've done the two girl thing and looking for change. Sounds weird, but we only live once.

[QUOTE=Allover;1979232] First I agree with the girl that it is best not to barfine another girl from the same bar so close in time to your original barfine. Thais don't like to lose face and that could happen if you barfine more than one girl during the same trip. Losing face is a huge deal in Thailand.

.[/QUOTE]Whilst losing "face " in most Asian countries is something that happens everyday, everywhere, should a punter be concerned that a girl loses face?

If a guy is on vacation and not living there permanently, and sees two pretties in same bar should he be concerned that one girl will be made to feel bad.

Think that wondering how a girl feels isn't entirely on a mongers mind and nor should it be.

The girl lost a lot of face already when she decided to enter the bar girl world. Lets not show too much sensitivity here.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1979587]Whilst losing "face " in most Asian countries is something that happens everyday, everywhere, should a punter be concerned that a girl loses face?

If a guy is on vacation and not living there permanently, and sees two pretties in same bar should he be concerned that one girl will be made to feel bad.

Think that wondering how a girl feels isn't entirely on a mongers mind and nor should it be.

The girl lost a lot of face already when she decided to enter the bar girl world. Lets not show too much sensitivity here.[/QUOTE]

The girl specifically asked him not barfine another girl in the same bar. She may be a psycho witch (can't use the "b" word here) that causes problems, you never know. Of course we mongers can do what we want. But why not be respectful and move on? There are lots of other girls in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Allover;1979232]First I agree with the girl that it is best not to barfine another girl from the same bar so close in time to your original barfine. Thais don't like to lose face and that could happen if you barfine more than one girl during the same trip. Losing face is a huge deal in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Hookers losing face? You have got to be shitting me. You are talking like they are Samurai or something.

So am I also not allowed to return to the same disco the following day and take a different girl? What if I go to a different disco and the girl I took the night before from another disco is at that one? Is it then okay since it is at a different venue?

Or what if the girl I barfined turns up at the disco? Am I not allowed to go with another person? If she goes with another person will it cause me to lose face? Is there anything I could do to prevent myself from losing face in that situation?

Well what if I barfine 2 girls from the same bar at the same time? Do I have to keep barfining them together because if I take one and not the other next time, the one who I don't repeat with world will be turned upside down?

If I go back to the same bar must I use the same waitress as well because the one from the previous day will lose face if I don't? Why would it be okay to use a different waitress but not use a different bar girl? What actually happens to the person when this losing face occurs?

[QUOTE=Allover;1979621]The girl specifically asked him not barfine another girl in the same bar. She may be a psycho witch (can't use the "b" word here) that causes problems, you never know. Of course we mongers can do what we want. But why not be respectful and move on? There are lots of other girls in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Respectful? Respect is something else in my books.

A bit different question about pricing:

I have been on and off Pattaya quite while also, and normally give girl 1.5K regardless of what she ask or ask not. If she ask for more and won't budge, normally no deal (very few exceptions with hotties). And if she not ask, I give 1.5k. I always go for LT deal only. And I am pretty picky for appearance and attitude so with 1.5k should get decent girls.

However, I have never had same girl more than 2 nights on a row. Now, I am facing (a weird) situation that I would like to try a true LT (i.e maybe few weeks) with one of my regulars with whom I have spent many normal (overnight /12-18 HR) LT's with my usual donation.

My question is what would be reasonable donation for this kind of extended LT i.e. few weeks, say maybe 1 mo or more, assuming I cover expenses and she just gets net cash to herself and family? I have not asked her nor have I offered anything. She is more than eager for such arrangement, putting aside pricing as no talk about it. Not sure if she expects same 1.5k per night or less.

Wondering if there is "generally accepted" weekly or monthly price or discount level for freelancers vs overnight LT price (like the 1.5k for overnight LT which I think is generally accepted by girls)? Or is the reality so that this just a case by case negotiation without any expectation on girl side? I guess quite a bit such stays especially for trips to islands etc, however I have no idea for pricing expectations.

Just don't want to offer too little not to upset her, nor too much to distort pricing. Any advice and experience appreciated.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1978294]Which clubs have you been to? In general I pay 1K for LT. And in the 11 years that I have been going to Thailand (including the 7 years that I have been living in Pattaya) I have never given more than 1.5 K LT.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1979646]Hookers losing face? You have got to be shitting me. You are talking like they are Samurai or something.

So am I also not allowed to return to the same disco the following day and take a different girl? What if I go to a different disco and the girl I took the night before from another disco is at that one? Is it then okay since it is at a different venue?

Or what if the girl I barfined turns up at the disco? Am I not allowed to go with another person? If she goes with another person will it cause me to lose face? Is there anything I could do to prevent myself from losing face in that situation?

Well what if I barfine 2 girls from the same bar at the same time? Do I have to keep barfining them together because if I take one and not the other next time, the one who I don't repeat with world will be turned upside down?

If I go back to the same bar must I use the same waitress as well because the one from the previous day will lose face if I don't? Why would it be okay to use a different waitress but not use a different bar girl? What actually happens to the person when this losing face occurs?[/QUOTE]Yeah, Mr. ENT. You be so right! Some guys here are real idjuts! These frickin girls are going with a guy, or many guys every night, or most nights. And they are probably laughing at these farangs too!

To top it all, they get paid, get their drinks paid. And the guys here are concerned about losing face? I say these guys are dumb MFers!

I am laughing at these idjuts man! ROFLMAO.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;1979685]My question is what would be reasonable donation for this kind of extended LT i.e. few weeks, say maybe 1 mo or more, assuming I cover expenses and she just gets net cash to herself and family? I have not asked her nor have I offered anything. She is more than eager for such arrangement, putting aside pricing as no talk about it. Not sure if she expects same 1.5k per night or less.[/QUOTE]A chick once told me that if someone gave her 10000 baht per month then she could stay home. So I would say to give your girl 15000 baht for the month. Problem with that is that if you get tired of her then you are still on the hook for the money. Like letting your eyes overload your ass by ordering a bunch of shit that you are not going to eat when at a restaurant.

I did exactly that the other night here in Peru. Chick told me $15 for 30 minutes. I let my eyes overload my ass and told her I would give her $30 for an hour. Sure as shit at the 30 minute mark I was ready to go. I forced another 5 minutes of it then was like fuck it. But of course I still had to part with the promised salary.

Like you said you better run it by her first because her thinking may be that you will give her 1500/day. I would tell her a total monetary figure for a total time so the amount sounds big to her. Oh don't worry about upsetting her; if it isn't enough then she will let you know.

Seriously though man. If I wanted to have someone for that amount of time then I would just find a normal girlfriend that I did not have to pay. Do you really need a live in maid or just someone to come by every so often to clean? Do you really need a live in hooker?

There is a chick I know who runs a service of driving people to the airport and picking them up. So I always get my friends to use her. I had been kind of talking with her with a hint of some type of relationship but everytime I am back in Pattaya I am like fuck that. Besides the taxi thing, she owns a chicken restaurant and a salon.

My brother just hit me up and asked me what is up with her. I said nothing. Single. Looking for a man. I was supposed to hit last time but I really didn't want to so I kept putting her off. He said She be sendin sexy fotos, talkin about hangin out when I come back. I said LOL. Maybe she does not realize you are my brother.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;1979685]A bit different question about pricing:

I have been on and off Pattaya quite while also, and normally give girl 1.5K regardless of what she ask or ask not. If she ask for more and won't budge, normally no deal (very few exceptions with hotties). And if she not ask, I give 1.5k. I always go for LT deal only. And I am pretty picky for appearance and attitude so with 1.5k should get decent girls.

However, I have never had same girl more than 2 nights on a row. Now, I am facing (a weird) situation that I would like to try a true LT (i.e maybe few weeks) with one of my regulars with whom I have spent many normal (overnight /12-18 HR) LT's with my usual donation.

My question is what would be reasonable donation for this kind of extended LT i.e. few weeks, say maybe 1 mo or more, assuming I cover expenses and she just gets net cash to herself and family? I have not asked her nor have I offered anything. She is more than eager for such arrangement, putting aside pricing as no talk about it. Not sure if she expects same 1.5k per night or less.

Wondering if there is "generally accepted" weekly or monthly price or discount level for freelancers vs overnight LT price (like the 1.5k for overnight LT which I think is generally accepted by girls)? Or is the reality so that this just a case by case negotiation without any expectation on girl side? I guess quite a bit such stays especially for trips to islands etc, however I have no idea for pricing expectations.

Just don't want to offer too little not to upset her, nor too much to distort pricing. Any advice and experience appreciated.[/QUOTE]Put yourself into their (Thai) mind.

If she charges 1500/ ST she hopes to get two / night (dreaming is free), that makes 3000 a day, where they need to deduct the dialysis living expenses.

Offering 1. 5 a night (plus living expense and surely some shioomhnopooorruty) for a 7 nights commitment seems appropriate to a Western mind.

I doubt it is for a (girl) Thai mind. She might think she is loosing 1. 5 a day.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1979712]Yeah, Mr. ENT. You be so right! Some guys here are real idjuts! These frickin girls are going with a guy, or many guys every night, or most nights. And they are probably laughing at these farangs too!

To top it all, they get paid, get their drinks paid. And the guys here are concerned about losing face? I say these guys are dumb MFers!

I am laughing at these idjuts man! ROFLMAO.[/QUOTE] I think there is room for different opinions on this board. I'm surprised you would call anybody that disagrees with you an idjut and dumb MFer. You seem, through your posts, to be a reasonable person.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1979646]Hookers losing face? You have got to be shitting me. You are talking like they are Samurai or something...[/QUOTE]Welcome to Asia. If you are going to be sitting around all day and making over 6000 posts (how do you find time to actually monger when you are not busy posting on ISG? You should at least try to better understand the regions you are expressing your opinions about. The concept of "face" is an important aspect of Asian culture, and it doesn't stop at the door of a brothel, go-go or hotel. Even a green newbie like me could figure that one out.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;1979685]A bit different question about pricing:

I have been on and off Pattaya quite while also, and normally give girl 1.5K regardless of what she ask or ask not. If she ask for more and won't budge, normally no deal (very few exceptions with hotties). And if she not ask, I give 1.5k. I always go for LT deal only. And I am pretty picky for appearance and attitude so with 1.5k should get decent girls.[/QUOTE]Seeing as I never paid more than 1000 baht for ST earlier this month, then I must presume that you are paying too much for short time. Once you realize that and put it into practice, the economics will be more to your favor.

Just a couple of responses to my responses.

First, I'd like to say: do whatever makes you happy, as long as it doesn't impede on someone else's happiness, right? If the girl doesn't want to lose face, and you want to respect that, then go ahead, nothing wrong with that, and don't give a shit what others think. If you think it's crazy that a girl asks for anything like that, then go back the next day and barfine the other girl and don't care what she wants. Personally, This girl was wild and crazy. Originally I was going to just agree to what she asked until after she left, and then just show up the next day regardless of what she wanted. But I chose to respect her wishes because: 1. I think she might have stabbed me for it 2. I think it might have created conflict if I did barfine the other girl, and the girl wouldn't have given me good or the best service because of it 3. I didn't really want to go back to the same place two nights in a row, I ended up with something better and cheaper the next night anyways.

Just relax everyone, and be happy. Live and let live. This is a forum to share information and ideas, not a judgement zone.

Anyways, I also disagree about not letting Mimi read my ISG post about her. To be honest, I want ALL working girls to know about ISG and other mongering websites. That way, they know they should provide better service, which in turn gets more and better clients because of the good reviews. After Mimi read my post, she spent the rest of the night trying to snuggle me and hold my hand because she wanted to provide better GFE service so I would write a good report about her! Haha I thought it was cute. I've had many of you guys flood my inbox for referrals, and those women are super grateful for them that they give me better service and discounts when I see them again.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1979831]Welcome to Asia. If you are going to be sitting around all day and making over 6000 posts (how do you find time to actually monger when you are not busy posting on ISG? You should at least try to better understand the regions you are expressing your opinions about. The concept of "face" is an important aspect of Asian culture, and it doesn't stop at the door of a brothel, go-go or hotel. Even a green newbie like me could figure that one out.[/QUOTE]Having negotiated deals with some of the largest Asian companies for decades, of course I understand about losing face.

The point was not that at all! The point is that you are ' paying' for their service and that is their chosen job.

The other point is that they say that to you, but they are ones going out with another guy from that same bar, again for money.

Now, that is not something where Asians would say that they lose face when they propose a ' one way' deal. The girl in question wanted to get paid for a ' one way only ' face saving arrangement where she gets the money, you get excluded from all other girls at her establishment and she is free to go the same day or the next day with another guy who may have been sitting and casually chatting with you in the same bar, the previous night.

Consider this example : It's like a Asian corporate guy saying ok, you buy my product and I will give you a great product and great service, but you pay for it AND, guess what, if you ALSO source from one of the competitors in my country, or my industry or local geographic area , I will lose face !!! Even though both this guy and his countrymen competitors were pitching their products at the same industry expo, and where this same Asian corporate guy also pitched to my competitors and will happily sell the same product to my competitors, whether or not I lose face with my superiors, or lose money as a result of my competition also sourcing the same product, from the same Asian supplier.

Now, that's what we call BS. Actually, it's Super BS. Only a dodo would agree to those terms. LOL.

[QUOTE=Allover;1979828]I think there is room for different opinions on this board. I'm surprised you would call anybody that disagrees with you an idjut and dumb MFer. You seem, through your posts, to be a reasonable person.[/QUOTE]Ok, point accepted.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1979896]Having negotiated deals with some of the largest Asian companies for decades, of course I understand about losing face.

The point was not that at all! The point is that you are ' paying' for their service and that is their chosen job.

The other point is that they say that to you, but they are ones going out with another guy from that same bar, again for money.

Now, that is not something where Asians would say that they lose face when they propose a ' one way' deal. The girl in question wanted to get paid for a ' one way only ' face saving arrangement where she gets the money, you get excluded from all other girls at her establishment and she is free to go the same day or the next day with another guy who may have been sitting and casually chatting with you in the same bar, the previous night.

Consider this example : It's like a Asian corporate guy saying ok, you buy my product and I will give you a great product and great service, but you pay for it AND, guess what, if you ALSO source from one of the competitors in my country, or my industry or local geographic area , I will lose face !!! Even though both this guy and his countrymen competitors were pitching their products at the same industry expo, and where this same Asian corporate guy also pitched to my competitors and will happily sell the same product to my competitors, whether or not I lose face with my superiors, or lose money as a result of my competition also sourcing the same product, from the same Asian supplier.

Now, that's what we call BS. Actually, it's Super BS. Only a dodo would agree to those terms. LOL.[/QUOTE]But isn't this exactly what makes Thailand so unique? Do we have to abide by these rules? No. But we do have to work around issues resulting from breaking these rules, rules that you'd never run across elsewhere. It adds almost a 'personal' twist to the business being conducted. You wouldn't date a woman from your office and then take her co-worker out and fuck her without getting hell now would you? Guys always talk about getting a true girlfriend experience, what isn't more 'girl friend experiencees' than having a girl scream in your face?

Thanks for advice.

Well it is a bit of a special case. She is one of my long time regulars and I kind of like her; a bit more than a friend but not a GF. I plan to travel around for few weeks (non-monger travel) and consider taking her as travel companion.

Don't want to make girlfriend level of commitment so I do not mind spending some extra to keep my freedom, however against my principle to go much over market price. That's why the search for advice as no prior experience on this kind of extended LT.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1979774]A chick once told me that if someone gave her 10000 baht per month then she could stay home. So I would say to give your girl 15000 baht for the month. Problem with that is that if you get tired of her then you are still on the hook for the money. Like letting your eyes overload your ass by ordering a bunch of shit that you are not going to eat when at a restaurant.

I did exactly that the other night here in Peru. Chick told me $15 for 30 minutes. I let my eyes overload my ass and told her I would give her $30 for an hour. Sure as shit at the 30 minute mark I was ready to go. I forced another 5 minutes of it then was like fuck it. But of course I still had to part with the promised salary.

Like you said you better run it by her first because her thinking may be that you will give her 1500/day. I would tell her a total monetary figure for a total time so the amount sounds big to her. Oh don't worry about upsetting her; if it isn't enough then she will let you know.

Seriously though man. If I wanted to have someone for that amount of time then I would just find a normal girlfriend that I did not have to pay. Do you really need a live in maid or just someone to come by every so often to clean? Do you really need a live in hooker?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1979880]Just a couple of responses to my responses. Just relax everyone, and be happy. Live and let live. This is a forum to share information and ideas, not a judgement zone.

Anyways, I also disagree about not letting Mimi read my ISG post about her. To be honest, I want ALL working girls to know about ISG and other mongering websites. That way, they know they should provide better service, which in turn gets more and better clients because of the good reviews. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Allover;1979232]<snip> showing the girls ISG. I consider this website to be a special place for us. The girls don't need to be reading our thoughts, strategies, and other information. Because the girls know about websites like this it is much harder to get them to pose for pictures. I used to come back from trips with a lot of girls' pics but now they rarely agree to pose for pics because they know it could wind up on the internet.
[/QUOTE]Thom, I kind of liked your original report. You had a good attitude, knew how to go with the flow, and managed to have a pretty decent time rising above some of the pitfalls you encountered and / or self created. I was even going to ignore your violation of the punter's code of ethics that you made by showing one of your girls the ISG, a violation that truly irked me to read. But now you have violated the monger code a 2nd time by doubling down on it and insisting that you did nothing wrong and that is even ok and advantageous to show bar girls the ISG.

Let me tell you emphatically that it is not OK. In fact, it is so wrong that I don't know where to begin to try to explain it to you. So I am not even going to try or have anything further to do with you unless you can realize the error of what you did and stop defending it. I will just say this in the hope you may have an open mind; if it is your goal to turn Asian working girls into shitty performing, lousy attitude western hookers then go ahead, show the girls the ISG. But if you like Asian working girls and appreciate what special qualities they possess, than this cannot be your goal, so please stop your reckless destructive behavior immediately. It is so insane. All you or anybody else has to do is treat the girls nice and they will do the rest. Don't try to change them. You gain no points, no advantage by showing them this forum.

Furthermore, let me tell you that I and other BM's have been burned by guys doing exactly what you so nonchallantly admit to doing so IMHO continued like behavior on your part should justifiy the permanent suspension of your membership here. Your act not only hurts the girls atitudes and behaviour, it also harms the ISG by forcing board memebers to be less open and giving with what they contribute here. This is exactly why I no longer post pictures or give the names of my girls on this forum. I assume that it is also not your intent to harm the ISG, so once again, I ask you to cease and desist with what you have done immediately. No honorable monger shows a working girl this forum. Period!

I never do ST, only LT as I enjoy the experience next day actually more than pre-sleep one. 1. 5 k is for LT (12-18 HR typically). As Mr E say 1 k can get LT as well but as I am kind of picky so 1. 5 k is ok for me. And girls seem to be happy as well as have good range of regulars.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1979835]Seeing as I never paid more than 1000 baht for ST earlier this month, then I must presume that you are paying too much for short time. Once you realize that and put it into practice, the economics will be more to your favor.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1979831]Welcome to Asia. If you are going to be sitting around all day and making over 6000 posts (how do you find time to actually monger when you are not busy posting on ISG? You should at least try to better understand the regions you are expressing your opinions about. The concept of "face" is an important aspect of Asian culture, and it doesn't stop at the door of a brothel, go-go or hotel. Even a green newbie like me could figure that one out.[/QUOTE]Are you Asian? Do you go around giving a wai to everyone you say hello and goodbye to? Are you eating with the fork and the spoon at the same time? How do you pick and choose which parts of someone else's culture that you will adhere to?

You are so concerned about not making a hooker lose face. In the Asian world as soon as you bring a hooker to the place you are staying then you have lost face your damn self. Are you using the short time motels or are you taking them back to the hotel you are staying? Are you being seen with hookers in public?

I have been living in Pattaya for 7 years come February. If I have ever made anyone lose face then I have definitely not been made aware of it. And on the monger side of the game I go through groups of friends and when I am finished then I go through them again. Not one has ever said anything about losing face.

Still no one has bothered to answer what the effects are of causing someone to lose face? Are they sad for 3 weeks? Are they not able to pay the utility bills for the next year? We are talking about hookers and bars here. We are not wearing 3 piece suits and making high end business deals. If you didn't make her lose face by cumming all up in her nostrils, then going to fuck a hooker's coworker for money is not going to make her lose any more face than she already did. It is called foreign guilt. Next you guys will be giving sin sots for hookers with 3 kids by 3 different Dicks on some culture bullshit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1979924] Next you guys will be giving sin sots for hookers with 3 kids.[/QUOTE]Indeed you are right. The generally accepted limit is two kids (and then only if she is less than 50 years old).

Joking aside, it can be awkward to barfine a co-worker of your previous girl. Sometimes these girls fabricate stories about their "catch" (perhaps to impress their co-workers) and then you spoil it all by barfining someone else.

I avoid the girls thinking they can catch me by telling them truthfully I have a Thai girlfriend. Most seem to respect her "ownership" of me and harbour no longer any wrong ideas.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1979931]Joking aside, it can be awkward to barfine a co-worker of your previous girl. Sometimes these girls fabricate stories about their "catch" (perhaps to impress their co-workers) and then you spoil it all by barfining someone else.[/QUOTE]A guy is partaking in the wrong hobby if he is worried about feeling awkward. My dad told me that when you are in a hohouse then you act like a ho. I go inside and ask who is ready to fuck because I am ready to pay. I do not go in acting like a church guy trying to convince a girl that she is the only hooker for me. And the majority of the time, when I take one girl I point to another and say aloud, "You are next!" That leaves no room for doubt.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1979935]A guy is partaking in the wrong hobby if he is worried about feeling awkward. My dad told me that when you are in a hohouse then you act like a ho. I go inside and ask who is ready to fuck because I am ready to pay. I do not go in acting like a church guy trying to convince a girl that she is the only hooker for me. And the majority of the time, when I take one girl I point to another and say aloud, "You are next!" That leaves no room for doubt.[/QUOTE]Funny story, I actually did that once and when I returned the next day and wanted to barfine her she was most surprised! She kept repeating "Not normal" and "I don't believe" all through her ladydrink. Obviously these girls hear so much BS from their clients it is rare if someone respects them and lives up to his promise.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1979931]Joking aside, it can be awkward to barfine a co-worker of your previous girl. Sometimes these girls fabricate stories about their "catch" (perhaps to impress their co-workers) and then you spoil it all by barfining someone else.[/QUOTE]I don't think so.

First all the girls from one establishment are not necessarily friends and many times they don't know much about the other girls.

Secondly, if you tell them immediately that you won't do what she says, the story will be closed straight and she won't bother you again with that kind of bullshit. It' s kind of 1 way for them to know who is weak or not. You just have to be firm, even with a big smile on your face and nobody will come back to stab you as the initial poster said he feared to be stabbed.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1979938]Funny story, I actually did that once and when I returned the next day and wanted to barfine her she was most surprised! She kept repeating "Not normal" and "I don't believe" all through her ladydrink. Obviously these girls hear so much BS from their clients it is rare if someone respects them and lives up to his promise.[/QUOTE]I know that girl! She used to be on Mr Enternational's list of regulars. She went off the list after your second BF. !! 😜.

The Mia noi, or minor wife arrangement is fairly common in Thailand. I've had girls ask for between 30 and 50 k a month, but it was never clear how often we would meet or whether they also expected regular shopping trips, gifts, etc so I haven't gone for it. This was with girls met on social media platforms not bars. I'm sire a bargirl would happily take 10 k and when you are not looking, still take a few other clients on board to supplement her income.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;1979685]A bit different question about pricing:

I have been on and off Pattaya quite while also, and normally give girl 1.5K regardless of what she ask or ask not. If she ask for more and won't budge, normally no deal (very few exceptions with hotties). And if she not ask, I give 1.5k. I always go for LT deal only. And I am pretty picky for appearance and attitude so with 1.5k should get decent girls.

However, I have never had same girl more than 2 nights on a row. Now, I am facing (a weird) situation that I would like to try a true LT (i.e maybe few weeks) with one of my regulars with whom I have spent many normal (overnight /12-18 HR) LT's with my usual donation.

My question is what would be reasonable donation for this kind of extended LT i.e. few weeks, say maybe 1 mo or more, assuming I cover expenses and she just gets net cash to herself and family? I have not asked her nor have I offered anything. She is more than eager for such arrangement, putting aside pricing as no talk about it. Not sure if she expects same 1.5k per night or less.

Wondering if there is "generally accepted" weekly or monthly price or discount level for freelancers vs overnight LT price (like the 1.5k for overnight LT which I think is generally accepted by girls)? Or is the reality so that this just a case by case negotiation without any expectation on girl side? I guess quite a bit such stays especially for trips to islands etc, however I have no idea for pricing expectations.

Just don't want to offer too little not to upset her, nor too much to distort pricing. Any advice and experience appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Visiting during high season I found very few tourists in Pattaya. The town is quiet & dull, with many businesses closed. There are very few girls on the beach, and they are run off by the police strictly at 2:00 AM, so a second shot for the day isn't really possible anymore. I had some enjoyable times in soi 6 (usually by virtue of big tips) and even in walking street go-gos, but only because, at this late date, money is no longer an obstacle. In terms of a recommendation about how to get the most out of dying Pattaya, I'd say Soi 6 is it. And I'm apparently not the only one who thinks so - it's definitely the busiest part of the town. One dreads the day this too is shuttered.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1980008]Visiting during high season I found very few tourists in Pattaya. The town is quiet & dull, with many businesses closed. There are very few girls on the beach, and they are run off by the police strictly at 2:00 AM, so a second shot for the day isn't really possible anymore. I had some enjoyable times in soi 6 (usually by virtue of big tips) and even in walking street go-gos, but only because, at this late date, money is no longer an obstacle. In terms of a recommendation about how to get the most out of dying Pattaya, I'd say Soi 6 is it. And I'm apparently not the only one who thinks so - it's definitely the busiest part of the town. One dreads the day this too is shuttered.[/QUOTE]

Always a pleasure to see a new post from Opebo, his reports are always packed with useful information (often not known or posted by others).

When you mention "big tips" on Soi 6, how big were they and what's your approach to giving them? I generally simply agree on a price beforehand and pay when the deed is done (perhaps tipping then if service as good). With my approach, I don't see how paying over the going rate makes any difference. Do you tell them they'll earn more beforehand if certain conditions are met?

I'll have to disagree that Pattaya is a dead town.

In fact, it's been quite lively the past several days leading up to New Year's.

Walking Street at night is packed as usual, the foot traffic going in and out of W. S. Is chaotic (as well as road traffic). The Central Festival mall area also gets quite packed with people.

I don't know how that translates to actual business but some of the gogo I been inside seem to be doing OK.

I have walked through Soi 6 but have not seen anything I liked.

I just finished 3 nights in Pattaya. The generalities that are made on this board, IMO, are just that. My experience on Soi 6 is that yes it is one of the busiest places in all of Pattaya. Also I was surprised at the selection of truly hot young providers. Good service or not is another matter. You never know what you will find in an unlikely venue. As one example, I stopped into The Nelson Hotel on the LH side as you walk down the soi from 2nd Road. I went in to grab a beer and shoot some pool. One of the girls out front was awfully close to stunning. Tall, curvy and very pretty. Nothing about her suggested ladyboy but as I write this maybe I was fooled, she looked that good. This is one small example. Sure there are worn out dragons in abundance, but also more young hot gals than I'm used to seeing and I'm no stranger to Soi 6. I did partake at The Red Point Bar. She came after me in the street and I liked her look. 24 yo professional bar girl with absolutely no mistaking her for the girl next door. I checked to see what she would do, including rimming and away we went. We started with a drink and then to be sure we are on the same page I pulled out my phone with the little video clip of the guy getting rimmed while she strokes him. She said "cannot". When I said "check-bin" she knew she would have to go back outside with nothing and face her "sisters". She again reversed and up we went. She was outstanding. As a side note the rooms are remarkably nice there. So, as for generalities, sure there can be some truth in them but in my long years here you never know what you will find if you go looking for it. And as an older punter I DO have to go looking for it. When the young studs are meandering down the soi in front of me the hotties flock to them in what appears to be genuine excitement to be pounded by a young guy. I rarely get even an invitation. I have to go get what I want and be prepared to be persistent. There are SO many opportunities in Pattaya.

C4 T.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1979931]Joking aside, it can be awkward to barfine a co-worker of your previous girl. Sometimes these girls fabricate stories about their "catch" (perhaps to impress their co-workers) and then you spoil it all by barfining someone else.

I avoid the girls thinking they can catch me by telling them truthfully I have a Thai girlfriend. [/QUOTE]Not awkward for me, unless I have somehow become more than just a customer.

It's a good idea to say you have a GF even if you don't, or otherwise to say you are a big butterfly ("Jao Choo" so that girls do not expect you will stick with one girl.

I also call girls over for a drink sometimes, even if intending to BF someone else, to make the first girl understand that she is still favored and maybe chosen on another day.

It is well understood by bargirls that many guys will change girls, no matter how good the first girl was.

If I find a super girl, I will always give her first priority. I can't afford for her to ever think she is not my first choice, as she may pick up some other guy making her first priority. I don't want to drop down her pecking order.

A venue only becomes a viable favorite venue if you have several favorite girls at that venue, since can't rely on any one girl to always be there, and always be available. I took plenty of different girls from my favorite bars.

One bargirl Jane, I have known a little for a long time, but only BFed twice. She still knows I like her, even if mostly she has never been available (having other regular customers). I am a good backup customer for her, when she happens to be still available (quite rare). LOL No need for any jealousies, or noses out of joint.

6 bars on Soi Full Love Inn now. Becoming the new Soi 6. CB, Club 007, Pirates, Club 4, J club, and Club Sin. Club Sin is my favorite. The owner is hot but married to someone well know in Pattaya-land. Don't forget Soi FLI if you have extra time. 40 baht motorbike ride from Central or Walking Street.

Not many girls in each bar but all girls friendly.

I had heard about this before I came to Thailand the first trip. Imo it doesn't exist. It exists if you allow it to exist or are not an experienced clubber, allowing girls to play games with your mind. I have taken multiple girls from the same establishments, only to have the one I didn't take the last time come back for more. Losing money should be the better terminology.

My girls get more upset as other girls on the streets or in the mall are staring me down checking me out. I'm not even looking at the other girl and still get in trouble! 555

[QUOTE=Knobrm;1979685]
(like the 1.5k for overnight LT which I think is generally accepted by girls)? Any advice and experience appreciated.[/QUOTE]Did that a few times, during previous years. Daily rate between 1500+300 (for a high class bar girl) and 1000 for a good freelancer from red Car.

As this was always for about 2 weeks, longer duration might give you some more discount.

I suggest, lower the daily rate, but some small presents from time to time in case of good service.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1979880]Just a couple of responses to my responses.

First, I'd like to say: do whatever makes you happy, as long as it doesn't impede on someone else's happiness, right? If the girl doesn't want to lose face, and you want to respect that, then go ahead, nothing wrong with that, and don't give a shit what others think. If you think it's crazy that a girl asks for anything like that, then go back the next day and barfine the other girl and don't care what she wants. Personally, This girl was wild and crazy. Originally I was going to just agree to what she asked until after she left, and then just show up the next day regardless of what she wanted. But I chose to respect her wishes because: 1. I think she might have stabbed me for it 2. I think it might have created conflict if I did barfine the other girl, and the girl wouldn't have given me good or the best service because of it 3. I didn't really want to go back to the same place two nights in a row, I ended up with something better and cheaper the next night anyways.

Just relax everyone, and be happy. Live and let live. This is a forum to share information and ideas, not a judgement zone.

Anyways, I also disagree about not letting Mimi read my ISG post about her. To be honest, I want ALL working girls to know about ISG and other mongering websites. That way, they know they should provide better service, which in turn gets more and better clients because of the good reviews. After Mimi read my post, she spent the rest of the night trying to snuggle me and hold my hand because she wanted to provide better GFE service so I would write a good report about her! Haha I thought it was cute. I've had many of you guys flood my inbox for referrals, and those women are super grateful for them that they give me better service and discounts when I see them again.[/QUOTE]Are you completely off your rocker mate? You are one of those guys that will fall in love with a bar girl and she will then take you for everything you've got, 100%. Give your freakin head a shake! What if the girl in question sees a photo that was taken of her on here? She will never agree to another photo again. What if she reads a detailed encounter from one of her customers and then refuses to see said customer again, even charges him with the defamation crime in Thailand. Do you know that is a serious crime here? How could one monger be so ignorant is beyond me!

Thanks for your responses.

Seems there is broader spectrum for this kind of arrangement than usual LT. I will probe the topic with my provider and share later what the end result was.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;1980215]Did that a few times, during previous years. Daily rate between 1500+300 (for a high class bar girl) and 1000 for a good freelancer from red Car.

As this was always for about 2 weeks, longer duration might give you some more discount.

I suggest, lower the daily rate, but some small presents from time to time in case of good service.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chacal60;1979981]The Mia noi, or minor wife arrangement is fairly common in Thailand. I've had girls ask for between 30 and 50 k a month, but it was never clear how often we would meet or whether they also expected regular shopping trips, gifts, etc so I haven't gone for it. This was with girls met on social media platforms not bars. I'm sire a bargirl would happily take 10 k and when you are not looking, still take a few other clients on board to supplement her income.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1980326]Everybody, calm your tits. Seriously, some of you fuckers need to go get laid. Don't make demands, and definitely don't try to threaten me, god damned internet tough guys. With all of that said, I'm going to do whatever the fuck I please. I love ISG, but sometimes fucking hate it at the same time.[/QUOTE]LOL. Whatever you do won't stop her from hoarin. She has to get paid. Sure she might not want to take pictures, but she will still be fucking for money. People do act like this website is top secret and not accessible by anyone who has the internet.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1980016]Always a pleasure to see a new post from Opebo, his reports are always packed with useful information (often not known or posted by others).

When you mention "big tips" on Soi 6, how big were they and what's your approach to giving them? I generally simply agree on a price beforehand and pay when the deed is done (perhaps tipping then if service as good). With my approach, I don't see how paying over the going rate makes any difference. Do you tell them they'll earn more beforehand if certain conditions are met?[/QUOTE]

Thanks very much for the kind words. I don't report much nowadays as I rarely if ever venture anywhere new. Since the USA stopped allowing new pages to be added to passports I figured I'd better stay put.

Regarding tipping, I wait until after the preliminaries and 'foreplay' and offer the tip just before intercourse. A substantial tip for an essential service, one which used to be de rigueur in Thailand but which alas is now rare, only to be found gratis or 'included' among the older ladies. Nowadays due to better funding (and dwindling libido) I usually partake of the 20-25 types, so tipping is the only way to get anywhere.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;1980215]Did that a few times, during previous years. Daily rate between 1500+300 (for a high class bar girl) and 1000 for a good freelancer from red Car.

As this was always for about 2 weeks, longer duration might give you some more discount.

I suggest, lower the daily rate, but some small presents from time to time in case of good service.[/QUOTE]Not bar girls from the really expensive gogo's right? I suppose there are some that would go for 1.5 K LT these days, but not from the high roller ones that can command any price they want.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1980366] Since the USA stopped allowing new pages to be added to passports I figured I'd better stay put.[/QUOTE]Can't you just say you lost your passport and get a new passport?

Why does America have this rule? What if you do business internationally and fly back and forth monthly?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1980692]Can't you just say you lost your passport and get a new passport?

Why does America have this rule? What if you do business internationally and fly back and forth monthly?[/QUOTE]You can apply for a new passport at any time, and you can get a passport with either 28 pages or 52 pages. I quote here from the official state department website under FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions).

[URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/passports/FAQs.html[/URL]

Can I get extra visa pages for my passport?

No, you cannot. Applicants who need additional pages in their valid passports must obtain a new passport by mail. Applicants within the United States may choose a 28-page or 52-page book.

I hope this helps.

[QUOTE=David2;1980710]
Can I get extra visa pages for my passport?

No, you cannot. Applicants who need additional pages in their valid passports must obtain a new passport by mail. Applicants within the United States may choose a 28-page or 52-page book.[/QUOTE]Is that new? I got extra pages added to my US passport 2 different times at the US embassy in Bangkok. The most recent time, I got a new passport at that same embassy in Bangkok. I do not live in Bangkok. On each occasion, I was just there on a tourist visa. I did that because it was much quicker than getting it done in the US. I got new pages added same day, and I think the new passport was only 3 days or maybe a week. I'd have waited a helluva lot longer than that in the US.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1980781]Is that new? I got extra pages added to my US passport 2 different times at the US embassy in Bangkok. The most recent time, I got a new passport at that same embassy in Bangkok. I do not live in Bangkok. On each occasion, I was just there on a tourist visa. I did that because it was much quicker than getting it done in the US. I got new pages added same day, and I think the new passport was only 3 days or maybe a week. I'd have waited a helluva lot longer than that in the US.[/QUOTE]Yes. It started January 1, 2016. State Department says that it makes the passports more secure.

[URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/news/visa-pages-no-longer-issued.html[/URL]

Walking street was insane last night. Hit 3 go go.

1 went to Baccara. Nice talent but had my mind on # 55 but she was no there. 2 went to Beach club. Nothing to my liking. Ended up at happy. Found nice 23 year old nice natural tits. $1600 baht bar fine WTF. She wanted 5000 LT. I got her 4000 (Let the ass chewing begin). She had a tight body no kids that I could tell. Coved blow job and tight as hell. Was a good time it but would not repeat Happy New Years.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1980692]Can't you just say you lost your passport and get a new passport?

Why does America have this rule? What if you do business internationally and fly back and forth monthly?[/QUOTE]It is not a good practice to lie on the reasons why you need a new book.

Everything is recorded and go back margine if you really loose your passport. It will be the second one, not something any authority will like.

Lost or stolen passports are entered in database that other immigration agencies might access and your name will be matched to it.

An immigration agent, not in my country, knew I had lost once also my national ID card.

Hey guys,

Wondering if you have ever decided to barfine a girl that never raised the issue, and how that went.

There is this one bar that I go to a lot on my trips, and have been going for a few years. I enjoy the ambiance there and sit for hours just relaxing and buying drinks for my lady companion. The thing is, I have never barfined any girl from this bar, so perhaps I have a reputation as someone that doesn't like to barfine.

But on a recent trip, a girl I have known working there for as long as I started going there, suddenly decides she wants to drink with me for some reason (after some flirty smiling between us). So I sat with her for hours just enjoying the company.

Usually, girls I am with eventually approach the barfine subject, but she never did. I do think she is attractive and would love to have a go at her. The fact that she never did would seem to me she's just not interested in going out with me. But at the same time, maybe I could ask her if she wants to? Worst she could say is no right?

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1980858]Hey guys,

Wondering if you have ever decided to barfine a girl that never raised the issue, and how that went.

Usually, girls I am with eventually approach the barfine subject, but she never did. I do think she is attractive and would love to have a go at her. The fact that she never did would seem to me she's just not interested in going out with me. But at the same time, maybe I could ask her if she wants to? Worst she could say is no right?[/QUOTE]When I read your report, I could not help but wonder what is wrong with this picture. I, and I am sure many other mongers, have taken girls to my hotel room without ever discussing their rate. In the morning, I handed them what I thought was a reasonable donation and they were generally happy (I tend to be generous anyhow).

I am surprised you did not ask her, if you found her attractive, unless you were not planning to take a girl that night. I did that in my last trip to Pattaya. I was in a gogo bar and I liked one of the dancers. After inviting her for a drink, she quoted me a rather high number for ST. After seeing my reaction, she quickly changed it to LT. I still decided not to take her, as I had done a session earlier that day and the mood was gone after hearing her offer. Nevertheless, I liked her enough to go back the next day and her LT offer was still the same. I took her on and had a great time with her.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1980326]Everybody, calm your tits.

Seriously, some of you fuckers need to go get laid.

Don't make demands, and definitely don't try to threaten me, god damned internet tough guys.

With all of that said, I'm going to do whatever the fuck I please.

I love ISG, but sometimes fucking hate it at the same time.[/QUOTE]Could you please quote where you were threatened? Because if that was the case, the post would have been deleted already by admin. All I'm saying is think about the consequences of your actions. As for your comment on Internet tough guys, think about that comment because you are acting the same by making it.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1980858] girls I am with eventually approach the barfine subject, but she never did. I do think she is attractive and would love to have a go at her. The fact that she never did would seem to me she's just not interested in going out with me. [/QUOTE]This is incorrect. Just ask the girl. I make the assumption EVERY girl in any bar can be BF. I know one ISG member who got shot down by a coyote. It took me 2 months to get my gogo waitress I wanted but I managed to do so. Felt good too since I truly knew she does not BF much, if at all (she told me I was the first ever).

Lefeu, I believe he is discussing a girl not wanting him because she doesn't ask to be BF rather than the girl's price.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1980351]LOL. Whatever you do won't stop her from hoarin. She has to get paid. Sure she might not want to take pictures, but she will still be fucking for money. People do act like this website is top secret and not accessible by anyone who has the internet.[/QUOTE]I firmly believe you just like to take the opposite view of me every time LOL. Anyways, Mr. Enternational, you are very famous on the China threads as I can remember so you should understand that the providers in China all read the site, there is even a dedicated thread for them to advertise for free. Have you ever noticed the difference in the posts in that thread compared to the Thailand thread. Very few photos! I think we all know people can find this site, but why we need to help them is beyond me.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1980858]Hey guys,

Wondering if you have ever decided to barfine a girl that never raised the issue, and how that went.

There is this one bar that I go to a lot on my trips, and have been going for a few years. I enjoy the ambiance there and sit for hours just relaxing and buying drinks for my lady companion. The thing is, I have never barfined any girl from this bar, so perhaps I have a reputation as someone that doesn't like to barfine.

But on a recent trip, a girl I have known working there for as long as I started going there, suddenly decides she wants to drink with me for some reason (after some flirty smiling between us). So I sat with her for hours just enjoying the company.

Usually, girls I am with eventually approach the barfine subject, but she never did. I do think she is attractive and would love to have a go at her. The fact that she never did would seem to me she's just not interested in going out with me. But at the same time, maybe I could ask her if she wants to? Worst she could say is no right?[/QUOTE]You seem like a generous guy so that is probably why she wanted to drink with you. The ladies all talk about the good customers. Secondly, I often bar fine ladies who never bring up the subject. Only 50% of the time the rate is discussed. I think Syggs can attest to that since I know this is his experience more often than not. If the ladies are worried you are stingy, that's when prices are discussed.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1980893]When I read your report, I could not help but wonder what is wrong with this picture. I, and I am sure many other mongers, have taken girls to my hotel room without ever discussing their rate. In the morning, I handed them what I thought was a reasonable donation and they were generally happy (I tend to be generous anyhow).

I am surprised you did not ask her, if you found her attractive, unless you were not planning to take a girl that night. I did that in my last trip to Pattaya. I was in a gogo bar and I liked one of the dancers. After inviting her for a drink, she quoted me a rather high number for ST. After seeing my reaction, she quickly changed it to LT. I still decided not to take her, as I had done a session earlier that day and the mood was gone after hearing her offer. Nevertheless, I liked her enough to go back the next day and her LT offer was still the same. I took her on and had a great time with her.[/QUOTE]I have seen her in the bar for several years, but she never approached me before. For some reason this time when our eyes met she kept smiling and then asked for a drink, and I was surprised since I never interacted with her before.

I did eventually feel like barfining her, but chickened out asking her. I don't know why. I have seen her go with other customers in previous visits, so I know she does barfine. I guess I am a bit of a chicken if she says no, I'll feel a little embarrassed and disappointed. I was thinking if she wanted to go with me, she would have raised the issue herself.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1980900]This is incorrect. Just ask the girl. I make the assumption EVERY girl in any bar can be BF. I know one ISG member who got shot down by a coyote. It took me 2 months to get my gogo waitress I wanted but I managed to do so. Felt good too since I truly knew she does not BF much, if at all (she told me I was the first ever).

Lefeu, I believe he is discussing a girl not wanting him because she doesn't ask to be BF rather than the girl's price.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are correct Banana Boi.

Maybe I am thinking too much, but I kept thinking if she wanted to go with me, she would have mentioned it but she never did and I eventually left the bar when I got too tired and sleepy.

I know for a fact she does go with customers as I seen her in previous visits go with guys.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1980905]You seem like a generous guy so that is probably why she wanted to drink with you. The ladies all talk about the good customers. Secondly, I often bar fine ladies who never bring up the subject. Only 50% of the time the rate is discussed. I think Syggs can attest to that since I know this is his experience more often than not. If the ladies are worried you are stingy, that's when prices are discussed.[/QUOTE]That is probably true.

I just found it interesting that after all these years, she'd want to drink with me after not approaching me before.

I may have to go out on a limb and just go for it. The worst is she says no, but it feels so awkward as I had that happen before in a gogo.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1980939]I'm referring to PMs, Natty Bumpo, yourself, and others making demands and threatening to get my account suspended. And yes, all internet tough guys, because none of you would say this in person to me. I'm not an internet tough guy, don't have to be.

I've thought about the consequences of my actions, and I see no problems with it. It's an open and free website, not nuclear launch codes mates. Nuff said.[/QUOTE]I have stayed out of this so far. I do not have the same issues with sharing the info that some members do. I do have my conclusions about Thai culture and no way do I think the service will improve when they understand the rewards after having read our posts. They are who they are and efforts to change them are not likely to succeed whether it is P4 P or any other venue.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1980902]I firmly believe you just like to take the opposite view of me every time LOL. Anyways, Mr. Enternational, you are very famous on the China threads as I can remember so you should understand that the providers in China all read the site,[/QUOTE]Wrong person. I don't know a gd thing about China. I have been to Hong Kong once and mongered on Temple Street and hit the 141 I think it was. That is the extent of my China experience.

To me ISG is like Yelp. Who the heck cares if the restaurant owners are reading the reviews? You should hope they read it so they can get their shit together or keep up the good work if that is what people are saying about them.

The girls know they are hookers. They go work in bars and gogos and stand on the sidewalk soliciting customers where all the public can see. I assume that the China providers have no problem with ISG seeing as you say they even have their own thread.

Don't shoot TK. Petition Jackson to make a super secret passcode and to make everyone who signs up pinky swear that they will not show the content to anyone. I think ISG was even on CNN when David in Peru got busted. It has definitely been mentioned and screenshotted on the Peruvian and Dominican news outlets. The website or mongering in general has not even hiccupped from such publicity as far as I can tell. Certainly showing it to 1 hooker is not going to curtail anything.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1980902] the providers in China all read the site, there is even a dedicated thread for them to advertise for free.[/QUOTE]I think "all"is an over estimation, by the level of English knowledge most PRC providers have in their homeland.

On the other hand I recall each room at famous Annie's Massage in bkk had a sign asking customers to give reports on ISG and WSG (most likely confident the reporter were positive). Again, due to the limited English skills of some providers I doubt the majority could then follow up the relevant thread with proper underestanding. Maybe some did, maybe some shared the info with their fishbowl mates (or maybe not!) and surely the majority didn't care. We pass in and go and since we pay, they can csre the less on the rest.

[QUOTE=DuckMan2;1980841] Found nice 23 year old nice natural tits. $1600 baht bar fine WTF. She wanted 5000 LT. I got her 4000 (Let the ass chewing begin). She had a tight body no kids that I could tell. Coved blow job and tight as hell. Was a good time it but would not repeat Happy New Years.[/QUOTE]What's up with the CBJ? You payed a premium rate, and I'm shocked that BBBJ wasn't included. Was this choice yours or hers?

Are any of you guys running into cbjs's more and more in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1981044]The threat of my account should be permanently suspended was from Natty Bumpo.

I don't give a shit about defamation suits in thailand, why? Because the girls can never pin it on us (we're all fucking anonymous, so stop it with this nonsense), nor will they take a hooker's words seriously against a farang because the girls are doing an illegal act themselves.

Natty Bumpo, cute. You have to treat hookers nice in order for them to be nice to you. Life must suck.[/QUOTE]Really? Anonymous. When you describe a situation and the lady realizes who the punter is, that's all she needs to make a complaint. When there's a photo involved, it's much easier for her to prove, especially when the lady has similar photos of the room with her in it on her phone. You would be surprised at the photos the ladies will take in your restroom or hotel when you are taking a shower or sleeping or whatever. In the past, I have seen photos of girls in my condo or hotel on their Facebook. I had no idea they had taken those photos. Hot Shane posts many photos in the Thailand thread. What if one of the girls you revealed ISG to sees her photo. She knows who took it, where he lives and so on. Off to the police station for the complaint. Stop your ignorance man.

And by the way, prostitution is not a crime in Thailand. Only to benefit from the work of prostitution or minors in the act of prostitution is a crime. You have no idea mate. I would also be happy to post that law for you here if you wish. In that case, you are just a John and why should the so called hooker give a rats ass about you?

And what about treating hookers as you say right? Your argument would be to show ISG to the hookers so they will perform better? How about treating them with a little respect? You'd be surprised at the mileage you can get. You've got a lot to learn mate.

Finally, you should check the meaning of (should) because this word is used to communicate suggestions not threats.

Hit a few gogo bars on Walking Street and LK tonight. Let's put it this way. It's midnight and I'm home. Girl's all too drunk from last night to work and tons of guys. A complete sausage fest at some clubs. I knew I should have stayed home when I was trying to round up a girl for a dinner date and they all replied too drunk.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1981044]
Natty Bumpo, cute. You have to treat hookers nice in order for them to be nice to you. Life must suck.[/QUOTE]Wrong again. I wrote, "Sessions always go a lot better when the girl is having a good time," which is something you would most likey agree with if you were not being so defensive and pig headed. Look, just think about not showing girls the ISG and we can all move on.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1981050]Wrong again. I wrote, "Sessions always go a lot better when the girl is having a good time," which is something you would most likey agree with if you were not being so defensive and pig headed. Look, just think about not showing girls the ISG and we can all move on.[/QUOTE]Natty, I think we should stop wasting our time with this guy after my last post. Knowing we have a punter like this in our midst, I'm not going to post anymore detailed reports or photos. I see a lot of girls who have large circles of friends, it could end in disaster for me.

Guys, this is pointless. Of course ThomKatt is going to continue to be a jerk, and attempt to ingratiate himself with the girls by showing them ISG. And if Jackson suspends him, the fact is there will continue to be other punters amongst us who will show this venue to the girls, and who simply are just very slightly smarter so as to avoid bragging about it here. So we all need to protect our own interests with the knowledge that even if a particularly obtuse poster of the handle ThomKatt ceases to circulate amongst us, others who are just a tiny bit less obtuse will continue to represent the same danger, and the internet is a vast public resource so there is really no avoiding that reality. The simple fact is, one needs to modulate between the parallel tensions of passing along information, and protecting one's own separation from being able to be linked too clearly to the most incriminating of that information in the event that it makes it's way to specific girls who might be damaged by it.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1981050]Look, just think about not showing girls the ISG and we can all move on.[/QUOTE]ThomKatt's imperviousness to reason would seem to suggest he's of the Trump persuasion and therefore I think your extremely valid arguments are wasted.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1981076]ThomKatt's imperviousness to reason would seem to suggest he's of the Trump persuasion and therefore I think your extremely valid arguments are wasted.[/QUOTE]If we all add him to our "ignore list" we won't hear anything more from this troll.

Just go to any of his posts: click on his name, click on "View Profile", and click "Add to Ignore List", and POOF. He's gone. Good riddance.

[QUOTE=David2;1981093]If we all add him to our "ignore list" we won't hear anything more from this troll.

Just go to any of his posts: click on his name, click on "View Profile", and click "Add to Ignore List", and POOF. He's gone. Good riddance.[/QUOTE]I think you missed the point. The point was that people say he should not show this website to hookers. Putting him on your ignore list in no way prevents him from doing that.

I will try to continue with actual reports in the midst of the cyber attacking! 555

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1981047]Hit a few gogo bars on Walking Street and LK tonight. Let's put it this way. It's midnight and I'm home. Girl's all too drunk from last night to work and tons of guys. A complete sausage fest at some clubs. I knew I should have stayed home when I was trying to round up a girl for a dinner date and they all replied too drunk.[/QUOTE]I decided to head back out at 1 am. Haven't been to Sapphire for some time. Finally found a bar with semi normal girl: guy ratio and number of girls. My girls all too hungover to work but there were a couple of new ones there I need to investigate closer. Unfortunately, they were busy during the desperate hours.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1981095]I think you missed the point. The point was that people say he should not show this website to hookers. Putting him on your ignore list in no way prevents him from doing that.[/QUOTE]With all due respect I get that the point was to get him to change his behavior, but based on his posts all he wants to do is argue and call attention to himself.

This guy is argumentative, arrogant, and condescending. Nothing we say is going to change his position, so if we ignore him we can all get back to discussing the important matters rather than watching this troll succeed in causing mayhem on this board.

Has any member been to club Sin? If so how was your experience there. I hope to be in Pattaya in may and plan to visit it previously have tried telephone bar De la Poste and Carre Blanc.

How does club din compare to these? Appreciate any comments thanks guys.

Imo Club Sin girls are younger and MUCH prettier than CB and Post Office. A great club to hang in with friendly staff and girls. Worth a visit for sure. Drinks for both the ladies and customers were very cheap. Sorry I forgot the price.

I agree that it is not wise or etiquette to share another forum with the girls, but then again, it is not like it is secret or hard to find with Mr. Google, even for for a Thai street walker recently off the paddy fields in Isaan glued to her new smart phone toy. More to the point, does it matter? Does some street walker, assuming she can read English (a big assumption), have nay influence or pricing power let alone any incentive to improve service to a stream on one-timers before her shore career ends?

No.

Secondly, on face, strutting around bare assed naked in public, running off to hotels and / or and sucking off of guys in public is hardly redeeming or social climbing (let alone maintaining altitude), nor is having a shot of cum on her face / nostrils / mouth. Many. Or most. In Thai and / or other cultures would see this conduct as theéclassé and un-lady like. The same can be said for doing her anally or having her lick her friend (separately and / or simultaneously). So, this faux Asian "face" empathy more resembles a type of guilt of pretending to be culturally sensitive in bars that by their very existence are a direct full frontal assault on traditional Thai sensibilities. It may come as a surprise, but many Western men, earning multiples of local Thais, coming in, throwing cash around, groping and / or drunk and phucking the brains out of local Thai women is hardly debonaire, even if they are sensitive to the pussy power price signalling of two competing Isaan hos, but conveniently forgetting that the same hos are hardly the esteemed guests in polite Thai dinner tables.

I love these girls, and I treat them well, but please do keep a sense of reality when in sex Disneyland. Their golden skin and exotic charms / language does not transform a hooker to some delicate Asian high intellectual / sensitive being offended that that slobbering water buffalo (Caucasian) on heat chose their competitors rather than marrying her and sailing off into the sunset happily ever after with an orchestra playing. They see the water buffalo as walking ATM machines with no self-control at the whim of their pussy. As a fluent speaker of an Asian language, I can assure you that the west means many things, but foreign barbarian. Or beast. Is a common theme. The same is true of other cultures with cashed up peasant / strangers fly in / fly out and phucking their women, even Caucasian ones. Western guys trigger all sorts of stereotypes. Any of the resident western guys know it. A middle class Thai girl would be reluctant to hand with a white guy because of the risk of being associated with her loose sisters.

After 20 years of mongering in several continents, the more I see, the same it is. Girls are mostly in this for money. They hate getting phucked by strangers. They would rather just have a rich 95 year old intensive care to get married to or maybe a quickie before he croaks.

So enough of this "face" bullsh! T. Those of us old enough remember Cabernet Voltaire's "Don't Argue": you are in enemy territory, have fun, enjoy, you may even meet an exceptional nice girl who hooked for a while, but that's a mostly a Julia Roberts fairy tale. They girls are to trade pussy for cash to satisfy our lust. We are lustful because we are, after all, men, and secondly, are horny because of fat western white women throwing pots and pans around and no BJ's, lights out, and that's on a rare day.

Long live LOS and LBFM's who have added to our lives whilst exporting a renewable, high-value added service to aid Thailand's terms of trade and prop up its exchange rate. Imagine the Asian currency crisis in the 1990's if there were no pussy to sell. They should be recognized as the "bare-foot" doctors (like in China under Mao) doing good by doing well. But, keep it steadily in mind there are no blushes when asked point blank for rimming, anal, threesome, BBJCIM etc etc. It cracks me up reading about "face".

Let's move on to some reviews. Where did everyone go tonight?

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;1981231].....
... Those of us old enough remember Cabernet Voltaire's "Don't Argue".[/QUOTE]CABARET Voltaire.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1981095]The point was that people say he should not show this website to hookers. Putting him on your ignore list in no way prevents him from doing that.[/QUOTE]Take him to "Mumbai" forum, hookers read FR over there and put mongers under pussy pressure to write extremely exaggerated reports. Thus result is a mongering hell-hole with prices going through the roof. Glad that I am getting out of there.

Can any member recommend clean comfy room near Soi post office max 1000 bht per night usually I always stay Soi Lengkee Soi Buakhao area but fancy being nearer to coconut bar. Any bars with clean comfy rooms anyone stay before and can recommend would be nice thanks guys.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1981095]I think you missed the point. The point was that people say he should not show this website to hookers. Putting him on your ignore list in no way prevents him from doing that.[/QUOTE]I have always thought that if I put someone on my ignore list, they should not be able to see my posts, and vice-versa. Instead, it just allows me to not see their posts, they can still see mine. Seems a wasted feature.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1980070]My experience on Soi 6 is that yes it is one of the busiest places in all of Pattaya. Also I was surprised at the selection of truly hot young providers. Good service or not is another matter. You never know what you will find in an unlikely venue. As one example, I stopped into The Nelson Hotel on the LH side as you walk down the soi from 2nd Road. I went in to grab a beer and shoot some pool. One of the girls out front was awfully close to stunning. Tall, curvy and very pretty. Nothing about her suggested ladyboy but as I write this maybe I was fooled, she looked that good. This is one small example. Sure there are worn out dragons in abundance, but also more young hot gals than I'm used to seeing and I'm no stranger to Soi 6. I did partake at The Red Point Bar. She came after me in the street and I liked her look. 24 yo professional bar girl with absolutely no mistaking her for the girl next door. I checked to see what she would do, including rimming and away we went. We started with a drink and then to be sure we are on the same page I pulled out my phone with the little video clip of the guy getting rimmed while she strokes him. She said "cannot". When I said "check-bin" she knew she would have to go back outside with nothing and face her "sisters". She again reversed and up we went. She was outstanding. As a side note the rooms are remarkably nice there.[/QUOTE]I don't have a problem doing Pattaya Walking Street at 1 am, or the oilies in Bangkok at 1 pm, but there's something about doing Pattaya Soi 6 mid-afternoon that is overwhelming. So many girls, a majority of them not that good looking, trying to hook you in, so many bars to choose from. No guarantee about service quality or room standards.

I believe there's marketing research that shows when your brain is deluged with multiple stimuli it just freezes. I can hold my own with 20+ hot chicks wai-ing at me in the line-up at Addict Massage on Soi 24/1, or with working the crowd at Insomnia and the I-Bar, but Soi 6 kind of stresses me out.

Any advice as "Pattaya Soi 6 for Dummies"? You know, something unfuckupable, that will not necessarily result in the best bang of my life, but at least dip a toe in the water to build comfort and experience.

I'm thinking maybe a 3-beer kind of walk. Clearly, from Crazy4Thai's report, the Red Point Bar seems to have at least one good-looking girl who, given sufficient negotiation skills, will provide nice service, and good rooms, so that would be a good starting point. What would a couple of other anchor points?

Here's my experience of Pattaya, its quite different than others as I went through an agency and this is more of the agency's review:

[URL]http://www.thai-sexy-holiday.com/[/URL]

That's the agency. Went for 1 week, paid 44,000 THB for girl+condo. The condo is pretty decent, nothing too special, with a decent pool downstairs, its in a quite area, literally 1 min walk from the condo to the famed Songthaew (Those buses which you pay 10 THB), they take you directly to walking street. - These are the basics.

The girl was decent, they aren't knockouts as you may see, most are linked to Mixx discotheque. The owner of the site is presumably German, nice guy. In total I had a good time in Pattaya especially through the agency, and according to me it was worth the money I paid. 44,000 THB for 1 week with a girl+condo. Some people probably get better for cheaper but that's my experience.

Also, the agency picks up and drops you off at BKK airport in a very good 4 x 4, basically the car was way better than I expected.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1981537]I have always thought that if I put someone on my ignore list, they should not be able to see my posts, and vice-versa. Instead, it just allows me to not see their posts, they can still see mine. Seems a wasted feature.[/QUOTE]I think the key is your ignore list, not his. Currently there is no blocking feature on this forum. Could be a good feature for paying members if it could be easily implemented.

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1981479]Take him to "Mumbai" forum, hookers read FR over there and put mongers under pussy pressure to write extremely exaggerated reports. Thus result is a mongering hell-hole with prices going through the roof. Glad that I am getting out of there.[/QUOTE]That seems outlandish. If it were me, I would just stop using those providers. Anyways, the point here is that we don't need the providers to know about this forum. If they find out on their own or through the Dr. BJ's of this world through the owner of their shop so be it, but why do we need to help them. Those are not the girls I'm concerned about any ways. I'm concerned about the freelancers who agree to photos and videos under the promise they won't be posted on line. Then the said monger, goes and posts them. Or a post graphically describing an encounter with said monger using the ladie's name claiming she did A+ or BB or whatever else.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1981702]Any advice as "Pattaya Soi 6 for Dummies"? You know, something unfuckupable, that will not necessarily result in the best bang of my life, but at least dip a toe in the water to build comfort and experience.

I'm thinking maybe a 3-beer kind of walk.[/QUOTE]Hi Eric Swiss,

I would suggest that you don't really go there expecting to bang a girl. Just go there thinking about having a drink and not necessarily more. Like this you can just sit wherever you want and not care about the girls trying to make you enter their respective bar. If you spot a cute then fuck her and if not you'll not be disappointed. You should go first in one of the bigger and most famous bars as Ruby Club or The Pussy Bar or another like this (these ones should have more girls and they should not be annoying when you just come take a drink) , feel the atmosphere and have a look at their girls or the girls in bars nearby.

For beginning you could go in Ruby Club and once you're seated ask for Ying. Here is a pic from their facebook account, I think she is the one with green hair in the middle. She's got a great body, is young (around 19 if I remember well) , you don't see her face on the picture but I can guarantee you that she has a nice face (a lot more than most of Addict's girls). She comes from Surin and in October said that it's been 3 month that she was there (I know that they all say 3 month but I'm confident that she's not there for years). There is another slim and young girl in that bar whose name is Bow with a darker skin but when I was there she was already busy with another dude so I don't know if she is worth it. Rooms are OK and you should pay around 1500 including BF (350), FS (1000) , your drink and one for her (if you're a nice guy). If you're not successful just go in another bar or go back another day in another bar of Soi 6. You should definitely find some young and reasonably good looking girls.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1981743]I think the key is your ignore list, not his. Currently there is no blocking feature on this forum. Could be a good feature for paying members if it could be easily implemented.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree. Then we could block nutty and over-sensitive dudes who carry a man purse from seeing our posts. That could help avoid any problems with any sensitive feelings getting hurt.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1981753]Hi Eric Swiss,

...For beginning you could go in Ruby Club and once you're seated ask for Ying..[/QUOTE]Rubi is one of the Best in Soi 6 - clean rooms not like some other clubs. - but be careful: many LB! Specially, if they are so nice and tall.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1981753]Hi Eric Swiss,
I would suggest that you don't really go there expecting to bang a girl. Just go there thinking about having a drink and not necessarily more. Like this you can just sit wherever you want and not care about the girls trying to make you enter their respective bar. If you spot a cute then fuck her and if not you'll not be disappointed. You should go first in one of the bigger and most famous bars as Ruby Club or The Pussy Bar or another like this (these ones should have more girls and they should not be annoying when you just come take a drink) , feel the atmosphere and have a look at their girls or the girls in bars nearby.
[/QUOTE]Great advice given by Paolo. I agree. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Klassic;1981730]Here's my experience of Pattaya, its quite different than others as I went through an agency and this is more of the agency's review:
.... Went for 1 week, paid 44,000 THB for girl+condo.... Also, the agency picks up and drops you off at BKK airport in a very good 4 x 4, basically the car was way better than I expected.[/QUOTE]When you come back, book your own hotel for about 1,000 to 1,500 a day and get a new girl for 1,500 a day (add taxi to and from the airport) and you will spend 1/2 of that price. Plus you can have a different girl everyday. Something to think about.

[QUOTE=Beno69;1982148]Rubi is one of the Best in Soi 6 - clean rooms not like some other clubs. - but be careful: many LB! Specially, if they are so nice and tall.[/QUOTE]Many LB where? If you mean in soi6 yes, but not in Ruby. Ruby club have only girls in the staff, isn't a mixed bar.

[QUOTE=Klassic;1981730]Here's my experience of Pattaya, its quite different than others as I went through an agency and this is more of the agency's review:

[URL]http://www.thai-sexy-holiday.com/[/URL]

That's the agency. Went for 1 week, paid 44,000 THB for girl+condo. The condo is pretty decent, nothing too special, with a decent pool downstairs, its in a quite area, literally 1 min walk from the condo to the famed Songthaew (Those buses which you pay 10 THB), they take you directly to walking street. - These are the basics.

The girl was decent, they aren't knockouts as you may see, most are linked to Mixx discotheque. The owner of the site is presumably German, nice guy. In total I had a good time in Pattaya especially through the agency, and according to me it was worth the money I paid. 44,000 THB for 1 week with a girl+condo. Some people probably get better for cheaper but that's my experience.

Also, the agency picks up and drops you off at BKK airport in a very good 4 x 4, basically the car was way better than I expected.[/QUOTE]First report about this type of Holiday I have ever seen here. Kudos for that!

But can you please expand a bit on the "the girl was decent" part?

What sexual services did she provide? Once or twice a day? Or anytime you wanted? Did you spend any extra money on her (food, drinks, presents, .)? Any opportunity to sample some other girls? What other services (outside of the bedroom) did she provide?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1982190]First report about this type of Holiday I have ever seen here. Kudos for that!

But can you please expand a bit on the "the girl was decent" part?

What sexual services did she provide? Once or twice a day? Or anytime you wanted? Did you spend any extra money on her (food, drinks, presents, .)? Any opportunity to sample some other girls? What other services (outside of the bedroom) did she provide?[/QUOTE]She provided the basics, she was okay with me going different positions on her. Asked her for Anal and she didn't know what it even was, didn't push it as I'm not a huge fan of Anal, did give a decent BJ with CIM (didn't ask for COF but she probably would've agreed). She provided as many times a day as I wanted, some days I just wanted once while other days I wanted 4 times. I spent money on food for both of us, nothing more except the transportation, obviously drinks as well. The site and owner are okay with changing girls, but I didn't. I joked around the idea of picking up another girl from the street for a threesome and she didn't disagree (but I didn't). She did provide a GFE experience and told me her basic story about how she is poor and whatnot. She wanted basically the night to end at MIXX as she was / is part of their lineup (I don't know how it works but she worked in MIXX as an attraction). Tipped her before leaving as she did a decent job.

As for the other guy suggesting I could do better for half the price. I don't disagree, I just am posting what I did and if someone wanted to go the same route as me, here's a review to help you out.

I followed the advice given on this forum by the other members and went to Ruby Club on Soi 6 in the early afternoon. There were more guys than girls. Only one girl was bangable, but some other punter who came after me was quick to offer her a lady drink and barfine her, so I just drank my beer and left. At least I got a better feel for the place, in case I want to explore further. Thanks for all the advice you gave me, the key is to be relaxed about it and let it flow.

Then I defaulted back to more standard methods, and at night after a go-go bar I went to the I-Bar. As I was walking around, some girl catches me by the elbow and tells me to talk to her friend. That was pretty direct! Turns out her friend, whose name was Bo, had seen me the night before and liked me. We went out to a short-time hotel, and I discovered that she really liked me, for some reason. She gave me a great time in bed. I banged her for a long time in all sorts of positions. It was extremely satisfying.

This reminded me of the old adage that it's not the monger who chooses the hooker, it's the girl who chooses who she wants to be paid by. At least that's the recipe to avoid starfish experience and mediocre service. Of course now if I go to the I-Bar again I will have to explain to her why as a rule I like to sample different girls and I avoid repeating. Or, who knows, she may convince me to break my rule for once!

[QUOTE=Klassic;1982287]Asked her for Anal and she didn't know what it even was, didn't push it as I'm not a huge fan of Anal,[/QUOTE]You have to say boom boom your ass.

[QUOTE=Klassic;1982287]She provided the basics, she was okay with me going different positions on her. Asked her for Anal and she didn't know what it even was, didn't push it as I'm not a huge fan of Anal, did give a decent BJ with CIM (didn't ask for COF but she probably would've agreed). She provided as many times a day as I wanted, some days I just wanted once while other days I wanted 4 times. I spent money on food for both of us, nothing more except the transportation, obviously drinks as well. The site and owner are okay with changing girls, but I didn't. I joked around the idea of picking up another girl from the street for a threesome and she didn't disagree (but I didn't). She did provide a GFE experience and told me her basic story about how she is poor and whatnot. She wanted basically the night to end at MIXX as she was / is part of their lineup (I don't know how it works but she worked in MIXX as an attraction). Tipped her before leaving as she did a decent job.

As for the other guy suggesting I could do better for half the price. I don't disagree, I just am posting what I did and if someone wanted to go the same route as me, here's a review to help you out.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this report, Klassic. A very interesting and unusual experience, certainly not your normal fare here on the pages of ISG. And thanks for sharing the details of intimate acts. I don't see any reason to criticize you for indulging in this package sex tour. It's a different experience, and it satisfied your needs. Enough said.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1982468]You have to say boom boom your ass.[/QUOTE]"boom boom" is a very good expression for sex or fucking, but must be pronounced short, not rhyming with "room", but the "oo" should be pronounced short like the ou in could (in England), which may not come naturally to an American but normal for a German letter "u". Not sure if this vowel sound exists exactly in American English, since Americans pronounce good, wood, and could slightly differently to English people. Hopefully everyone has heard "boom boom" enough times already to get it right. I was surprised to find it in the Thai dictionary, and did not expect it to be mid tone.

บุมบุม
Boom (Mid) boom (Mid)
to fornicate (vulgar expression).

Do girls always know what an Ass is, regardless of pronounced American way or English way (Arse)? Which would seem like two different words to a Thai, due to different vowel sounds. I almost never use English in relation to such matters, unless I know the girl understands a lot.

If she says "You can have my ass", then I know she knows a lot.

Can be confusing to mix Thai and English together in same expression, for newbie girls with really low knowledge / experience. So I would say "Boom Boom Dtuut khoon" (bum bum dtuut khun. In alternative transliteration) to be safer.

Perhaps even simpler (easier to pronounce) is to ask in Thai:
"Aow gon dai mai" May I take (your) bum/ass?

Is "Pussy" a universally understood word, or what other word should be used in English?

I use Thai word "Jim" mostly for pussy (sometimes "Hoi") and "Dtuut" for ass, even though it is impolite.

No need to be using very polite words for impolite acts.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1982468]You have to say boom boom your ass.[/QUOTE]I got a good laugh out of this. I can't say it's not accurate though. Haha.

I had a girl in front of Nana hotel say something to me that I thought was the best opening line ever. As I walked by, she stood in front of me and her first words were not Hi, or Go with You, they were - "I want to lick your balls". I don't know who taught her to say that, but that was awesome!

Hey Smoothy, did you let her?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1982563]I got a good laugh out of this. I can't say it's not accurate though. Haha.

I had a girl in front of Nana hotel say something to me that I thought was the best opening line ever. As I walked by, she stood in front of me and her first words were not Hi, or Go with You, they were - "I want to lick your balls". I don't know who taught her to say that, but that was awesome![/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1982491] . . . the "oo" should be pronounced short like the ou in could (in England), which may not come naturally to an American but normal for a German letter "u".[/QUOTE]I think any way you say "boom boom" the girls will understand it.

As far as polite and impolite, in the bars it doesn't matter but the problem is that some guys learn bar Thai and then try to use it out in regular society, where it doesn't go over so well. More than once I've been somewhere rather respectable (not my scene, but it comes with marrying a respectable woman) and some farang has used a word like "nom", which is about equivalent to "tits". Everyone has to kind of pretend they didn't hear him say it. (The polite word is "naa ok".).

[QUOTE=DCups;1982600]Hey Smoothy, did you let her?

.[/QUOTE]As much as I was tempted simply because it was the best opening line I had ever heard, she was not my physical type. So I passed. I only hope she's strong enough to overcome her unfulfilled desire to lick my balls.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1982625]As much as I was tempted simply because it was the best opening line I had ever heard, she was not my physical type. So I passed. I only hope she's strong enough to overcome her unfulfilled desire to lick my balls.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing that, since this was on a public street, she did not specifically see YOUR balls, and thus she could only imagine the sensation. I am also guessing that, with that sort of approach to guys, she probably gained access another set of man-balls that she could lick in short order, so I suspect that she got over it and came away with at least 1000 additional baht in the process. Apparently, we'll never know if those replacement balls were actually a suitable substitute for yours - at least for her, if not for you.

I'll visit Thailand by the end of this month (again) and have time there for 1 week. Last time in Thailand which was just recently last November I stayed in Bangkok only and discovered there nightclubs and discotheques only for finding girls because I'm interested in freelancing girls in nightclubs and discotheques only. I visited in Bangkok for example Spasso, Mixx and Insanity.

This time I would go to Pattaya to make a change but only in the case if the outlook of the freelancing girls there in nightclubs and discotheques like iBar / Insomnia or Mixx is at least as good as in Bangkok or even better.

What I liked in the clubs in Bangkok is that you can also find a lot of non-Thai girls like Vietnamese for example with whom I have had a good experience.

My question is to the ones of you who have visited nightclubs and discotheques in both Bangkok and Pattaya in the past half of year and who are demanding in the outlooks of the girls.

Thank you very much for your suggestions.

[QUOTE=Pussycheck;1982706]I'll visit Thailand by the end of this month (again) and have time there for 1 week. Last time in Thailand which was just recently last November I stayed in Bangkok only and discovered there nightclubs and discotheques only for finding girls because I'm interested in freelancing girls in nightclubs and discotheques only. I visited in Bangkok for example Spasso, Mixx and Insanity.

This time I would go to Pattaya to make a change but only in the case if the outlook of the freelancing girls there in nightclubs and discotheques like iBar / Insomnia or Mixx is at least as good as in Bangkok or even better.

What I liked in the clubs in Bangkok is that you can also find a lot of non-Thai girls like Vietnamese for example with whom I have had a good experience.

My question is to the ones of you who have visited nightclubs and discotheques in both Bangkok and Pattaya in the past half of year and who are demanding in the outlooks of the girls.

Thank you very much for your suggestions.[/QUOTE]In my opinion I Bar in Pattaya has a huge amount of freelancers in all shapes, sizes, and price ranges, so there is more selection in a very compact area of Pattaya, walking street. Prices 1,000 and up. On the other hand, Bangkok freelancers are spread all over the place at Mixx, Insanity, Sugar club, Levels, Thermae, Oscar, Spasso, and Climax. In my opinion, the closest experience you will get to IBar in Bangkok will be Climax. On most nights it's jammed packed after 11:00 PM with all sorts of freelancers but with less the amount of punters. Good luck mate.

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1982667]I'm guessing that, since this was on a public street, she did not specifically see YOUR balls, and thus she could only imagine the sensation.[/QUOTE]I think my balls may have been hanging down out of my shorts. I may have forgotten to wear underwear that day.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1981753]Hi Eric Swiss,

I would suggest that you don't really go there expecting to bang a girl. Just go there thinking about having a drink and not necessarily more. Like this you can just sit wherever you want and not care about the girls trying to make you enter their respective bar. If you spot a cute then fuck her and if not you'll not be disappointed. You should go first in one of the bigger and most famous bars as Ruby Club or The Pussy Bar or another like this (these ones should have more girls and they should not be annoying when you just come take a drink) , feel the atmosphere and have a look at their girls or the girls in bars nearby.

For beginning you could go in Ruby Club and once you're seated ask for Ying. Here is a pic from their facebook account, I think she is the one with green hair in the middle. She's got a great body, is young (around 19 if I remember well) , you don't see her face on the picture but I can guarantee you that she has a nice face (a lot more than most of Addict's girls). She comes from Surin and in October said that it's been 3 month that she was there (I know that they all say 3 month but I'm confident that she's not there for years). There is another slim and young girl in that bar whose name is Bow with a darker skin but when I was there she was already busy with another dude so I don't know if she is worth it. Rooms are OK and you should pay around 1500 including BF (350), FS (1000) , your drink and one for her (if you're a nice guy). If you're not successful just go in another bar or go back another day in another bar of Soi 6. You should definitely find some young and reasonably good looking girls.[/QUOTE]Just to add another data point, I visited The Pussy Bar on Pattaya Soi 6 under the same circumstances: mid-day, not desperate pressure to hook up. The negative side is that they have no TV showing sports, so you don't have anything to do while you are scanning out the merchandise on offer. The positive side is that they have quite a few girls, and some of them are nice looking. There was one I almost went with, but for some reason I wasn't 100% comfortable with her vibe and her looks, so I passed. Then a new hottie walked in in street clothes. I harpooned her, but she said she had to change and take a shower first before starting to work, so she narrowly escaped my clutches. I finished my beer, and she still wasn't back, so I just ejected. But there is hope.

Ideal would be a bar with sports on TV and a decent selection of girls. I think it's going to have to be trial-and-error.

[QUOTE=Betong;1982602] More than once I've been somewhere rather respectable (not my scene, but it comes with marrying a respectable woman) and some farang has used a word like "nom", which is about equivalent to "tits". Everyone has to kind of pretend they didn't hear him say it. (The polite word is "naa ok".).[/QUOTE]Ha Ha. Very amusing. Note that Nom is the standard word for milk. So referring to a girl's chest as Nom, is pretty much equivalent to referring to her "milks" which is not very polite, rather a bit informal commoner flippant style, but not vulgar. No where near to a really vulgar word like "hee" (C*nt), for example.

In a Hi So situation, it is unlikely that I would be talking about a girl's chest in any case, and "Naa Ok" might not even come to mind since I have hardly ever used this word in conversation, myself, but have heard a Thai speak it rarely when talking about a pretty girl with a nice figure. LOL.

Mostly I am in low class situations where I can get away with "Nom". Even LBs refer to their Nom, with no chance of getting any milk. LOL.

"Naa ok" and "Suang Ok" mean chest. I can't recall ever hearing the 2nd one.

"Dtao" or "Dtao Nom" means breast and often comes up in written stuff relating to breast feeding for example. Maybe other words but have not heard them.

"Hua Nom" is okay Word to use for nipple. Not really impolite, if need to talk about the nipple for some reason. Probably can be used for a man nipple as well, even there is no milk. I often use when Thai girls have very attractive nipples. LOL.

Tits seems to be a slang word in English, and I assume originates from Teat.

I have been with a group of Thai tourists in an overseas city eating dinner, in a Hi So restaurant, and was surprised to hear one or two of them say:

"One for the Hum" meaning "One more drink for the road" but literally translated means one more for the Dick. So I find Thais are into using impolite words at times, even with wives present, especially after a few drinks.

Very common to hear really vulgar speech from lower class Thais. E. g. "Huu bpen Hee" meaning your ears are like a C*nt (and not hearing very well). If girls are not that vulgar, they can omit the Hee word but still imply it, by asking "Huu bpen aray?" (what are you ears like?), with "Hee" being the known answer.

I find to know a Thai girl, you really have to know how polite she expects you to be with her, and in the company of others. Could easily get in to trouble by using words unacceptable to her, but quite acceptable to others.

Examples of some words that cannot be used with some Thai girls but can be used with others:
"hoi"(Rising tone) (pussy. But literally shellfish).
"moi"(Rising tone) (pubic hair) Safer word is "khon (R) phet (H)".
"ngian" (Falling Tone) (horny).

Extremely vulgar:
"dtolae" (bullshit artist) very dangerous word.
"Hee" (rising tone) (C*nt, pussy).
"Khuay" (cock, prick).

I am in big agreement. Learning words in the bar is very dangerous. It is important to know the meaning and how impolite or vulgar they might be, We can't just copy words we heard from bar girls.

If guys learn Thai in a proper school, they might not be taught the vulgar words at all, or if taught, must know how vulgar they are. A school can unfortunately teach only formal Thai words at times, and be missing common street talk words.

I find it best to not even learn the bad words at all. Ignorance is the safest bet.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1982910]I find it best to not even learn the bad words at all. Ignorance is the safest bet.[/QUOTE]I've always been curious about them to know if someone nearby is talking about me in a good or bad way.

It's better to never use them though. For example if someone is referring to you by using the word "man" (word used to refer to objects or animals, but not for humans) instead of "khao" or "khon nee" or use the word "mung" (you) instead of "khun" you can know that that person is having zero respect or consideration for you.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1982910]I find it best to not even learn the bad words at all. Ignorance is the safest bet.[/QUOTE]That means not speaking Thai at all with Thai girls, in which case may be hard to be understood in some cases. My girlfriend does not speak English, so I might have avoided her. LOL.

The problem is you will hear bad words from Thai girls, but you might not know which ones are okay And which are extremely bad. There are multiple possible words for the same thing.

We hear Farangs use bad words probably not knowing how bad they are quite often.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1982719]In my opinion I Bar in Pattaya has a huge amount of freelancers in all shapes, sizes, and price ranges, so there is more selection in a very compact area of Pattaya, walking street. Prices 1,000 and up. On the other hand, Bangkok freelancers are spread all over the place at Mixx, Insanity, Sugar club, Levels, Thermae, Oscar, Spasso, and Climax. In my opinion, the closest experience you will get to IBar in Bangkok will be Climax. On most nights it's jammed packed after 11:00 PM with all sorts of freelancers but with less the amount of punters. Good luck mate.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your comment.

I got your point that in Pattaya in Walking street you can find everything where you have different places in Bangkok.

Would you say that in term of the outlook of the girls in Pattaya you find in general same or even better looking ones in Walking street compared to all mentioned places above in Bangkok? A difficult question I know.

Are there also many non-Thai freelancers, e. G. Vietnamese or CIS countries, available in Pattaya in Walking street today?

How is the performance of freelancers in Pattaya compared to their ones in Bangkok in general today?

Freelancer prices in Pattaya start from 1,000 THB and when you want to have a very good looking one for overnight how much do they demand usually today?

Thank you for your support.

[QUOTE=Pussycheck;1983027]Thank you for your comment.

I got your point that in Pattaya in Walking street you can find everything where you have different places in Bangkok.

Would you say that in term of the outlook of the girls in Pattaya you find in general same or even better looking ones in Walking street compared to all mentioned places above in Bangkok? A difficult question I know.

Are there also many non-Thai freelancers, e. G. Vietnamese or CIS countries, available in Pattaya in Walking street today?

How is the performance of freelancers in Pattaya compared to their ones in Bangkok in general today?

Freelancer prices in Pattaya start from 1,000 THB and when you want to have a very good looking one for overnight how much do they demand usually today?

Thank you for your support.[/QUOTE]I must tell you I'm not a big fan of Pattaya but when I go there and want freelancers, IBar is my choice. I actually find the freelance girls in Bangkok to be more to my liking. In Bangkok, I like the idea that I can decide before hand what kind of girl I want to see and then bang, choose the bar or club where that type of girl goes. For example if I want a model, I go to a G club, Spasso, or contact one on we chat. If I'm looking for a snooty Japanese style Thai girl, I go to Thermae, or if I want a cheaper more reasonable down to earth girl, I go to Climax. I think you get my point. Where as at IBar, they are all lumped together. As for performance, that is YMMV in most cases when referring to freelancers. I generally feel the Pattaya ladies have more competition and the scene there can be hectic at times with IBar popping at the rafters. Hence the girls seem to perform a little better than the Bangkok ladie's because they appreciate the baht more. On the other hand, the Bangkok girls are all hit and miss, In Bangkok it pays to build up a good list of contacts because repeat customers that can be trusted, usually are given the best service. The Bangkok freelancers will generally hold out to get their price and may even have no problem going home alone if they don't, so prices will be higher. As for looks, I am a big fan of white skin and that can generally be more available in BKK so this is something that would depend on each punter and his own tastes.

Guys these are my comments on the freelance scene only in BKK and Pattaya. We are not discussing beer bars, massage shops or even the Go Go bars or Hillaries, basically anywhere where there is no bar fine or house fee.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1983043]I must tell you I'm not a big fan of Pattaya but when I go there and want freelancers, IBar is my choice. I actually find the freelance girls in Bangkok to be more to my liking. [/QUOTE]I very much agree with this. Pattaya is great for what it is, but the freelancer scene, while abundant in sheer numbers, lacks the kind of variation that Bangkok offers. The girls in Bangkok are more sophisticated, at least on the surface, and present a more complex experience, one that fits my finicky palate. Unlike Bkkdog, I very much enjoy Pattaya, but the freelancer scene is better in BKK, IMHO.

Having said that, in Pattaya, iBar and Insomnia are the places to be. I find Lucifer too dark, too smoky and hard to navigate. I find the other places all hit and miss. But iBar / Insomnia are as close to a sure bet as you get. But in BKK, you can take your pick, as Bkkdog says: Climax, Mixx, Spasso, Levels, Spicey, Bossy, Insomnia, etc. , depending on what you want for the night.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1982919]I've always been curious about them to know if someone nearby is talking about me in a good or bad way.

It's better to never use them though. For example if someone is referring to you by using the word "man" (word used to refer to objects or animals, but not for humans).[/QUOTE]I tell them my name is Man. That helps to avoid being insulted in this way.

Ibar is for guys on a budget. If you want high end freelancers go to Hollywood. Be prepared to pay Bangkok prices though.

[QUOTE=Pussycheck;1983027]Thank you for your comment.

I got your point that in Pattaya in Walking street you can find everything where you have different places in Bangkok.

Would you say that in term of the outlook of the girls in Pattaya you find in general same or even better looking ones in Walking street compared to all mentioned places above in Bangkok? A difficult question I know.

Are there also many non-Thai freelancers, e. G. Vietnamese or CIS countries, available in Pattaya in Walking street today?

How is the performance of freelancers in Pattaya compared to their ones in Bangkok in general today?

Freelancer prices in Pattaya start from 1,000 THB and when you want to have a very good looking one for overnight how much do they demand usually today?

Thank you for your support.[/QUOTE]Hey brother,

You mentioned Viet. Girls which club or area might one see or meet them? Visiting in couple of weeks Pattaya and Bangkok.

Thanks Geano.

[QUOTE=Geano;1983231]Hey brother,

You mentioned Viet. Girls which club or area might one see or meet them? Visiting in couple of weeks Pattaya and Bangkok.

Thanks Geano.[/QUOTE]Yes what pussycheck. Asked.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1983217]Ibar is for guys on a budget. If you want high end freelancers go to Hollywood. Be prepared to pay Bangkok prices though.[/QUOTE]Maybe so. Vs Hollywood. You would surely know better. I am not really on any budget but I remember you saying they play Thai music mostly and there are a lot of Japanese. I think you mentioned that is also not a dance place with high energy like Insomnia, which is what I like. Also, Insomnia is open until 6 am and then I can just go to their New York diner downstairs which is open past 7 am and serves pretty good Thai food.

Additionally, having kept tabs on the Ibar / Insomnia Facebook page I have seen several girls who also post about their check in and pics at Hollywood usually same night or days plus minus a few. And these are under 30 girls, so if they make more money at Hollywood, why would they be bothering with Insomnia / 808 etc. I dunno. I believe your conclusion may be a tad simplistic and perhaps unidimensional. Having said all that I might just give it a try. I tried Kinnaree for example, stayed several hours and did not care for it. Basically, I don't like regimented places with a system and a process and someone managing the girls. I don't like point and click either. If you look at the girls of soi 6 on Facebook they all say work work work. Boss happy etc. But when they post themselves at Insomnia or Ibar they almost aiways say fun and good times. Girls don't want to be stressed out like anyone else and ' have' to do ' something' just for work or a job or keep the boss / owner happy. So, I submit the view from.
their vantage point is a bit complicated. Many want to meet the man of their dreams. Alas even 1 out 100 will not be so lucky (maybe 1 out of say 300) though a higher percentage may get lucky enough to get a sponsor for a few months or a year. Just my 2 cents, YMMV. But Insomnia requires a lot of trying, a lot of time and patience, some game and the results maybe of lower percentage. But for me when trying to find real newbie freelancers who are not working at a go go or soi 6 or a beer bar, are under 27 and decent ( but not top looks) there is real pleasure from the chase and the challenge. For example, I totally hate sitting down , so do most guys sit at a table at Hollywood ?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1983217]Ibar is for guys on a budget. If you want high end freelancers go to Hollywood. Be prepared to pay Bangkok prices though.[/QUOTE]Do you mean at Hollywood disco you find the best looking freelancing girls. Is it a similar place than Spasso nightclub in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=Geano;1983231]Hey brother,

You mentioned Viet. Girls which club or area might one see or meet them? Visiting in couple of weeks Pattaya and Bangkok.

Thanks Geano.[/QUOTE]Vietnamese girls frequent We Chat, Spasso, and Mixx mostly in Bangkok. I have not met any in Pattaya, but I assume that they will be around. In Pattaya try Hollywood.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1983217]Ibar is for guys on a budget. If you want high end freelancers go to Hollywood. Be prepared to pay Bangkok prices though.[/QUOTE]I agree with you to a point, but high end freelancers can still be found in IBar. The issue is they are mixed in with everyone else so it may be difficult to locate them on a busy night which is always. It's a good one stop shop LOL. Hollywood on the other hand is full of normal girls and freelancers, it's not open as late as IBar, and full of Chinese and Japanese guys. It has it's good points and should not be left out of your search for high end freelancers in Pattaya.

I completely forgot about it, so thanks to Banana BOI for including in.

On a side note, in Pattaya, I would also search the beer bars. It does. It have that go go bar feel to me. Yes there is a bar fine but I have often found very high ends girls in them. They are new to the biz and get their start there. Once they realize their talents are being wasted, they go freelance.

Hey,

If you guys meet a bargirl and they want to stay in touch, do you worry they will ask for money sooner or later?

Just curious.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1983432]

If you guys meet a bargirl and they want to stay in touch, do you worry they will ask for money sooner or later?[/QUOTE]No. Never. No girl has ever asked me for money. I don't come across as an easy mark.

If one asks you for money remove them from your contacts.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1983432]Hey,

If you guys meet a bargirl and they want to stay in touch, do you worry they will ask for money sooner or later?

Just curious.[/QUOTE]It is a given that if you stay in touch with a bar girl and there is even a hint of a relationship outside of work and the bar, she will ask you for money. Think about it. They are working in the bar for a reason. I thought you were an experienced monger and visitor to Thailand. This is a real rookie question. I don't mean that in a negative way but just wondering.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1983432]Hey,

If you guys meet a bargirl and they want to stay in touch, do you worry they will ask for money sooner or later?

Just curious.[/QUOTE]During all these years I never had a girl asking me for money (besides what I am paying for the sex), so I was very surprised when it happened after my last trip to Pattaya which was in December.

I was with a girl in MissBHaven in Soi 6 and I was ONE time with this girl. She was new to the game and she was quite OK to be with so I took her Line, just in case. But with her I was happy to meet her that one time only and I didn't want to repeat. She sent a message though, indicating that she would be happy if I came back for her.

I passed her bar but just waved to her, like saying Hello, and I did this a couple of times so she must have understood that I didn't want to go with her again. About a week or so after I came home from my trip she first sent a message to me, saying that she didn't have much money, but I didn't reply to that message. After a couple of days more she sent another message saying "Honey, I want to be paid 10,000 Baht for children".

I was like, WTF! What is this girl thinking, does she really believe there would be even the slightest chance that I would send money to her, like 10 000 Baht? After being with her only one time and not even wanting to repeat. I consider this thing to be something extremely odd to happen, to be asked for money after just one encounter in a short time bar in Soi 6. Has something like this ever happened to any of you guys? Of course I blocked her right away in Line and I never ever again wish to even speak with her.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1983432]Hey,

If you guys meet a bargirl and they want to stay in touch, do you worry they will ask for money sooner or later?

Just curious.[/QUOTE]If you keep your relationship casual, she might hesitate to ask you but she will give you many hints that she needs money but if you show you are too much into her, then yes she will start asking money sooner or later.

This is what I learnt they are always in need money because they sent most of the money back home for their family and they stay broke most of the time even after making around 40 k baht per month.

So its up to you how you want to be with the girl, do you want to be casual or serious.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;1983668]During all these years I never had a girl asking me for money (besides what I am paying for the sex), so I was very surprised when it happened after my last trip to Pattaya which was in December.

I was with a girl in MissBHaven in Soi 6 and I was ONE time with this girl. She was new to the game and she was quite OK to be with so I took her Line, just in case. But with her I was happy to meet her that one time only and I didn't want to repeat. She sent a message though, indicating that she would be happy if I came back for her.

I passed her bar but just waved to her, like saying Hello, and I did this a couple of times so she must have understood that I didn't want to go with her again. About a week or so after I came home from my trip she first sent a message to me, saying that she didn't have much money, but I didn't reply to that message. After a couple of days more she sent another message saying "Honey, I want to be paid 10,000 Baht for children".

I was like, WTF! What is this girl thinking, does she really believe there would be even the slightest chance that I would send money to her, like 10 000 Baht? After being with her only one time and not even wanting to repeat. I consider this thing to be something extremely odd to happen, to be asked for money after just one encounter in a short time bar in Soi 6. Has something like this ever happened to any of you guys? Of course I blocked her right away in Line and I never ever again wish to even speak with her.[/QUOTE]Out of the blue like that with no indication from you that you wanted to continue things further? This new girl was just taking direction from the other girls or momason to take you for some cash.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;1983668]I passed her bar but just waved to her, like saying Hello, and I did this a couple of times so she must have understood that I didn't want to go with her again. About a week or so after I came home from my trip she first sent a message to me, saying that she didn't have much money, but I didn't reply to that message. After a couple of days more she sent another message saying "Honey, I want to be paid 10,000 Baht for children".
[/QUOTE]No it does not happen to me, quite like that. Firstly, the message is not really decent English, so I cannot guess the exact implied meaning. We don't know if she has any children. LOL Also it seems to be a bad translation from Thai, as it reads a little too much on the demanding side and lacks any detail. Naturally you would ignore it. Sure I did get occasional request for money, usually with a more sensible reason like paying the rent or something very minor (which still could have been bullshit or not). Most of my contact girls never asked me for money. More likely I asked them for a meet up where they could make some money. Even then, they sometimes had other priorities (more than money).

It is not really a good idea to collect contact details from girls, unless you are totally hooked on them and cannot bare for them to disappear, or at least know them well for some period of time.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1983836]Out of the blue like that with no indication from you that you wanted to continue things further? This new girl was just taking direction from the other girls or momason to take you for some cash.[/QUOTE]I would think that it should cost at least 10000 baht to buy a child.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;1983668]I was like, WTF! What is this girl thinking, does she really believe there would be even the slightest chance that I would send money to her, like 10 000 Baht? .[/QUOTE]She believes that it COULD happen, having seen other girls receiving that kind of money.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1983836]Out of the blue like that with no indication from you that you wanted to continue things further? This new girl was just taking direction from the other girls or momason to take you for some cash.[/QUOTE]Besides that, I do not believe the message was personal for him. A copy and paste went out to every foreigner in her phone. No need to block. Just ignore it. Next time you talk to her it will be like the message was never sent.

[QUOTE=MrPrice5555;1983816]This is what I learnt they are always in need money[/QUOTE]Well who is not always in need of money? I paid my bills today but next month I will have to pay them again. We have jobs so that we can have recurring pay and a steady stream of money. If you send somebody money you think they will never need money again? Nope. Something else will surely come up the same as it does in everybody's life. Not trying to solve someone else's financial problems no matter how good they fuck.

I've looked online for prices at BJ bars but am unclear on the total cost. 800 baht seems to be the average rate for a BJ at a BJ bar. However, it's not clear whether that includes the room / bar fine cost which is usually 300 baht. So I don't know if it's 800 total (500 to the girl + 300 to the bar) or 1,100 (800 to the girl + 300 to the bar).

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1983836]Out of the blue like that with no indication from you that you wanted to continue things further? This new girl was just taking direction from the other girls or momason to take you for some cash.[/QUOTE]Yes, out of the blue just like that and with no indications from me whatsoever of even wishing to have any further contact with her. That's why I was really suprprised to receive her message demanding money. You are probably right that she got directions from the other girls or the mamasan to try and get some cash from me.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1983844]... We don't know if she has any children[/QUOTE]She has a newly born son, she told me that and the son is staying with her mother. Her brests were even filled with milk and looked big and nice and after I squeezed her boobs milk was coming out. Not really something that turned me on but the boobs did look big and nice though.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1983921]Besides that, I do not believe the message was personal for him. A copy and paste went out to every foreigner in her phone. No need to block. Just ignore it. Next time you talk to her it will be like the message was never sent.[/QUOTE]You can very well be right, that the message was sent to more guys that she has contact with. However, I feel good about blocking this girl because I don't wish to have any further contact with her. And from being blocked maybe she can feel and understand that is bad behavior to make such demands to guys that she stays in contact with. There is no sense or reason at all to make such demands of money from only meeting one time in a bar in Soi 6.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1983432]Hey,

If you guys meet a bargirl and they want to stay in touch, do you worry they will ask for money sooner or later?

Just curious.[/QUOTE]I guess I have been asked for money twice. The first time was with a BR FL girl. She was actually a very classy lady who admitted she was selling her body, then later stated her son needed surgery and she was trying to raise, oh, 10 K baht or so. No idea if that was true, and while she didn't come out and directly ask for money beyond what we had already negotiated, I did give her a little extra, but mostly because she was a good lay with great English and acted very mature. She was very attractive, so I am sure she was able to raise the money if the story was true.

Second was more recent. I met a girl online on Tinder last November while in Pattaya. She sent me her Line ID, but I didn't try contacting her again until just 2 weeks ago. She was not much of a conversationalist, but I did learn she worked every day as a hair stylist in Pattaya and she said she was poor and was supporting her parents. (A common statement.) I asked her to go to Ko Larn next time I was there and model for me. She said no nude stuff, and I said fine as I was not looking for that, then I got a message saying "I no money send to my dad tomorrow 4000 can you help me pleas?" (exact copy). I respond with "I am in USA, not Pattaya now. " She responds with "if you want to help me you can do". I did not respond for a while and she says "Quite is ok". Yes, she misspelled quiet. I am temped to reply back, as she is a cute girl, but I sure am not going to send money to a girl I never met! I guess by saying it was ok to be quiet means she realized she went too far and wants to keep herself in my plans. Her Tinder name is Pronmanee, so if anyone has any info on her.

But good girls won't ask for money. They will take it if you offer, but they won't come out an ask. My non-pro, virgin Thai GF will spend her own money to come see me and not ask me to reimburse her. I said I would do so, and I do, but if the girl really wants to see you, they will find a way.

I do have two girls now that I have been with and exchanged Line addresses with. One I exchanged with last April, though I have known her since April of 2015. The other I was with last November. These are the only actual workers I have been with who I have exchanged contact info with. Neither has hit me up for money.

But I do think it is ok to stay in contact with girls you like.

[QUOTE=Hello69;1983964]I've looked online for prices at BJ bars but am unclear on the total cost. 800 baht seems to be the average rate for a BJ at a BJ bar. However, it's not clear whether that includes the room / bar fine cost which is usually 300 baht. So I don't know if it's 800 total (500 to the girl + 300 to the bar) or 1,100 (800 to the girl + 300 to the bar).[/QUOTE]BJ Bars typically don't have bar-fines for BJs, they are done in-house, either in a curtained off area, like at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], or right out in public on a couch at S-O-L. Takeout is generally for longer time FS.

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1984054]BJ Bars typically don't have bar-fines for BJs, they are done in-house, either in a curtained off area, like at CodeWord900, or right out in public on a couch at S-O-L. Takeout is generally for longer time FS.[/QUOTE]Thanks 2041. The reason I asked is because I went to Excite bar yesterday and paid 800 to a girl for a BJ in a curtained off section of the bar. Later when I paid for my drinks, they also threw in a 300 barfine fee which left me thinking I should have only tipped the girl 500. I went to another bar later (forgot the name but it was near Club 4) and they quoted me 700 for the girl and 300 for the room.

So that was 2 different BJ bars that both wanted either a barfine or a room fee for doing it on premises. Are these bars the exceptions to the rule or did I get ripped off?

I'll check out CodeWord900 and see if it's any different, although the girls I saw outside yesterday were not appealing.

BTW, what is S-O-L?

[QUOTE=Hello69;1983964]I've looked online for prices at BJ bars but am unclear on the total cost. 800 baht seems to be the average rate for a BJ at a BJ bar. However, it's not clear whether that includes the room / bar fine cost which is usually 300 baht. So I don't know if it's 800 total (500 to the girl + 300 to the bar) or 1,100 (800 to the girl + 300 to the bar).[/QUOTE]If you are referring to places like La poste office on soi lengkee it's 300 BF. 800 BJ and 1000 fs includes BF.

Member, which pattaya bj bars are you referring to? I'm definitely interested in no bf bars.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1983432]Hey,

If you guys meet a bargirl and they want to stay in touch, do you worry they will ask for money sooner or later?

Just curious.[/QUOTE]Why should you worry? If she ever asks, you can say yes or no. Up to you.

I've had girlfriends (not bargirls) asks for support, so it is something that can happen in any relationship.

But worry about it? Never.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1983432]Hey,

If you guys meet a bargirl and they want to stay in touch, do you worry they will ask for money sooner or later?

Just curious.[/QUOTE]Clearly depends on whether the guy is "Jai dee" (good heart) or not. Tough guys won't be concerned. Soft guys should be. Personally I do not collect girl contacts too quickly unless the girl is important. I don't want continual messages from unimportant girls, whether they ask for money or not.

One girl used to send me pictures of flowers and Thai poetry nearly every day, wasted on my type, and wanted to be my girlfriend. I did not want her so much and did not wish to communicate with her daily. She would say the same thinks all the time. I liked her 20 years ago. LOL.

When they are strange they really are. Long story short, I left Marine disco with a girl (No) which seemed to be willing, slim and enough good looking. I got the feeling that she was surely a bit drunk but also with an attitude different from most others. It was raining and my place is far (by thai lady standards), so we waited a little but it wasn't stopping, during which she was a bit strange. She was insisting that it would have been OK to just drive to my place, well according to me it would not have been fun to get there totally soaked. Finally I bought a raincoat for her, while I would have worn my jacket. She would not have nothing of that, according to her I should have been the one wearing the raincoat. I had been patient until then, but it became clear to me that I was risking disappointment and arguing with an unstable, tired girl which would not even make her demands clear. Left her on 2nd Rd. and got home. Wearing the raincoat.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1984170]If you are referring to places like La poste office on soi lengkee it's 300 BF. 800 BJ and 1000 fs includes BF.

Member, which pattaya bj bars are you referring to? I'm definitely interested in no bf bars.[/QUOTE]Those were Bangkok BJ bars. S-O-L was Star-of-Light in Patpong. The one that got censored by the forum for some inexplicable reason is the one named after Vladamir Nabokov's youthful hypersexual nymphet - but I believe that there is also an outpost of the same chain of BJ Bars in Pattaya. The Bangkok outpost is on Sukhumvit Soi 8. The Pattaya outpost of the same name is on Soi Chiyapoon. I've never been to it in that location, as it used to be on Soi LK Metro when I last patronized that establishment and relieved my excess man-juice into the mouth of a well skilled employee of said establishment.

I should add that I have not been to Thailand in nearly 5 years, although I was there at least 8 different times between 2005 and 2012, so my info with respect to bar fines could be out-dated, and other gents information might me more up to date and thus more accurate.

Hope this not sound like a weird request on this site but not been in many Soi 6 bars for quite a few years but going Patts in May and wondering if any members can tell me which bars on Soi 6 currently have pool tables inside? I think pussy club and bee corner bar do have but not sure which others have them. If any members can tell me others it would be greatly appreciated I like to play a little pool and get to know the lady a little before going upstairs to do the deed,

thanks guys.

Raining cats and dogs so what else to do?

It has been raining all night and continues this morning.

Since I live on the Darkside, with all the construction the last few years on Sukhumvit and the night time police checks it makes it easier at times to just get a room for a few hours or the night near Walking St. If I had too many drinks or just need to do a BF. Majority of the girls these days on W. S. , if they don't know me well will not go ST / LT with me on my bike to the Darkside. At times could be a advantage because if it doesn't go well I'm not stuck with them for the rest of the night. These days, maybe old age I rather sleep alone as soon as I'm done I can't get rid of them soon enough no matter how GFE, they might be. So, on nights when it rains and I'm on W. S. I just get a room on Soi b J. So I don't get soaked or end up with a dud.

We are all different, not only in taste with looks etc. We can't all be hardcore and have the balls to do all the things being mentioned although that is exactly what should be done! I've been told by my brother and close family and friends I have no problem cutting someone throat but beyond them have a hard time saying no to a girl. I be the first one to admit it that is true and I'm getting better but have plenty of tire marks on my back.

As noted, not only in lost of face and believe me when it comes to lost of face it does exist in Thailand, in many forms and degree. I have a 1/4 inch cut by a butcher knife on my left between my ear and eye to prove it so close the doctor told me just a little closer there I would have been dead. The key as noted is if you put yourself in the position for it to happen it most likely will? And there are times because we are different and come across differently the girls here in the business can smell us softy a mile away.

So, putting yourself in the position is if you are too accommodating to everything, repeating with the same girl and asking for her number etc. For many this isn't a problem if the girls sense you aren't going to put up with it. Believe it or not these girls have a school of themselves in providing a interview on you. They aren't asking you " if you been to Pattaya before because they want to be your tour guide ". We hunt for the GFE, when you get it GFE, it comes with baggage and attitude just like the real GFE back home. Girlfriend gets jealous what is yours is also hers?

So when it comes to money, one shouldn't be offended. As Mr. E, noted a girl who ask for 10,000 baht and just slept with you 1 time most likely doesn't even know or remember she has. She throws it out to everyone why not she got nothing to lose? In the end, if no Charlie Tuna bites she is no worst off. They know no bank is going to lend it to them, not even the mafia or loan shark is going to do it unless you have something they can collect on? So why not a customer they just met? They have the best ATM Debit card in the world better than Visa or M/C, and it is call a pussy!

Believe, there are the majority that wouldn't lend or give them the money! But I've been here long enough here in Pattaya that know first hand that it happens and these minority stories spread like wild fire to be majority so that is why they ask. I have heard it all sometimes the stupid excuses why? It would make your head spin around in circle. There are lots of guys who visit Thailand, that have something missing in their lives and once they step foot in the LOS, with the exchange rate being 35-1, now makes them think they're the Clinton Foundation or something. I have a cousin who has a friend who I've known for 4 decades, has a good pension and given away at least 10 million baht, he has friends who he use to work with who lives in Pattaya and have done the same if not more. I met them a few times and no longer drink or eat with them because I just can't stomach there stories and complaints.

There are guys who are missing something in their lives plus not having much upstairs and being stubborn all over Pattaya, and these working girls have these stories. Does any of the above make me better than them NO, because I have a soft spot too but I'm not giving away the store or even 10,000 baht. I can easily say no or nothing what is tougher is someone asking you for something smaller (for me at least) a amount like a few thousand baht. Today, I rarely give my number out to someone new because doing so put yourself closer for something you not want to happen. I protect myself more and try to come across so they don't even think about asking but I do it politely and respectfully to them.

In all my years, I've never been ask for money by girls I know and been with who work in GoGo's but when it comes to Beer Bars, Gentlemen Clubs, and in general Bar or clubs on the Darkside, once they get my number it happens, the request for money! So based on what I said above giving out a number especially if you can't say no is not a good idea?

I might be wrong, but the BJ place once in LK Metro, Lo-l-tas who now is on Chaiyapoon?

Happy New Year!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1983921]Besides that, I do not believe the message was personal for him. A copy and paste went out to every foreigner in her phone. No need to block. Just ignore it. Next time you talk to her it will be like the message was never sent.
[/QUOTE]Ha Ha. I never really experienced the type that seemed so impersonal. Indicates a pathetic girl or useless mamasan assisting.

Normally, I think girls are more likely to ask a guy that seems hooked on her, however some girls could have several guys hooked on her, and ask them all for money. She will pretend there is only one target. LOL Girls often promise not to disappear after receiving the money, but they usually do disappear for a time or forever. I know this from experience. LOL You can always get superseded by some new boyfriend of the girl with more money and more promises (that may be bullshit promises).

So its always better and cheaper to pay the girl for services rendered. "You need 4 k, you had better come over and fuck my brains out all night for it. " If she needs a lot, she better give a very regular service, to get the money gradually. Let her "borrow" from someone else.

It pays to be a big butterfly, as this helps reduce the chances of girls asking for money.

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1984374] The one that got censored by the forum for some inexplicable reason is the one named after Vladamir Nabokov's youthful hypersexual nymphet - but I believe that there is also an outpost of the same chain of BJ Bars in Pattaya. The Bangkok outpost is on Sukhumvit Soi 8. The Pattaya outpost of the same name is on Soi Chiyapoon. I've never been to it in that location, as it used to be on Soi LK Metro when I last patronized that establishment and relieved my excess man-juice into the mouth of a well skilled employee of said establishment.[/QUOTE]LOL-tas in Bangkok Sukhumvit Soi8 is 800 b for BJ. The branch in Pattaya Soi Chaiyapoon is 700 b for BJ.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1984414]
Since I live on the Darkside, with all the construction the last few years on Sukhumvit and the night time police checks it makes it easier at times to just get a room for a few hours or the night near Walking St. If I had too many drinks or just need to do a BF. Majority of the girls these days on W. S. , if they don't know me well will not go ST / LT with me on my bike to the Darkside. At times could be a advantage because if it doesn't go well I'm not stuck with them for the rest of the night. These days, maybe old age I rather sleep alone as soon as I'm done I can't get rid of them soon enough no matter how GFE, they might be. So, on nights when it rains and I'm on W. S. I just get a room on Soi b J. So I don't get soaked or end up with a dud.
[/QUOTE]Same story here. I normally don't drink but can do without the hassle of the police checks, by now I know where they stand. On leaving W. S. Drive up on the side street (saisong 16) and avoid major crossings. To get on the darkside avoid driving north by the railroad, they do checks there and on the Suk. 53 crossing. Better drive up central to Suk south, if on a bike there is a "special" U-turn that you can make after 200 m, just look other bikers doing the same. Time ago they had big stops on Suk going south by the police station with pitiful tourist police doing the screening on foreigners for them, however that would be a day-only money rising operation. I'm so glad I didn't took a S. T room with the crazy girl mentioned before either!

[QUOTE=Hello69;1983964]I've looked online for prices at BJ bars but am unclear on the total cost. 800 baht seems to be the average rate for a BJ at a BJ bar. However, it's not clear whether that includes the room / bar fine cost which is usually 300 baht. So I don't know if it's 800 total (500 to the girl + 300 to the bar) or 1,100 (800 to the girl + 300 to the bar).[/QUOTE]At most of the BJ Bars like the Telephon, Excite, La Poste etc. It is 300 Baht for the Bar and 500 Baht for the BJ of the Girl. Short time you can negotiate for 700.00 for the girl.

Probably you can get it even cheaper at the bars in Soi 6 as there the number of the service is much higher than the demand of the possible customers.

In December 2016 I had the feeling that there were a significant decrease in visitors compared to the past 5 years. Especially the local weekend visitors were missing and a big decrease in Korean was visible.

It seems to me that the Russian market shows an upward trend again. Nowadays the walking street from the Marine Bar southwards is ruled by Russian interest. (with very poor looking Russian hookers who could never work in any decent clubs in central Europe).

For those that think they are safe because they pay a bar fine.

[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/963033-pattaya-under-age-sex-bar-busted/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1984902]For those that think they are safe because they pay a bar fine.

[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/963033-pattaya-under-age-sex-bar-busted/[/URL][/QUOTE] It is against the forum rules to discuss or post a link to this kind of information in the forum. Please request Jackson to delete your post or if you have time, you can edit it out and post something else.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1984373]When they are strange they really are. Long story short, I left Marine disco with a girl (No) which seemed to be willing, slim and enough good looking. I got the feeling that she was surely a bit drunk but also with an attitude different from most others. It was raining and my place is far (by thai lady standards), so we waited a little but it wasn't stopping, during which she was a bit strange. She was insisting that it would have been OK to just drive to my place, well according to me it would not have been fun to get there totally soaked. Finally I bought a raincoat for her, while I would have worn my jacket. She would not have nothing of that, according to her I should have been the one wearing the raincoat. I had been patient until then, but it became clear to me that I was risking disappointment and arguing with an unstable, tired girl which would not even make her demands clear. Left her on 2nd Rd. and got home. Wearing the raincoat.[/QUOTE]So let me get this straight. You kicked the girl off on 2nd Rd because she wanted you to wear the raincoat. You call her difficult because she didn't want to wait until the rain stopped to go to your place. Hmmmm.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1984912]So let me get this straight. You kicked the girl off on 2nd Rd because she wanted you to wear the raincoat. You call her difficult because she didn't want to wait until the rain stopped to go to your place. Hmmmm.[/QUOTE]Well, I've kicked a girl out for insisting that I wear a raincoat after it was agreed that I wouldn't need to. But I suspect we're talking about something different.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1984907]It is against the forum rules to discuss or post a link to this kind of information in the forum. Please request Jackson to delete your post or if you have time, you can edit it out and post something else.[/QUOTE]Incorrect. It is against the rules to discuss procurement or partaking. It is not against the rules to warn someone to beware. The same as there is an entire thread on how to spot a ladyboy. It does not discuss how to go about getting them or what posters have done with them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1984959]Incorrect. It is against the rules to discuss procurement or partaking. It is not against the rules to warn someone to beware. The same as there is an entire thread on how to spot a ladyboy. It does not discuss how to go about getting them or what posters have done with them.[/QUOTE]Imagine ISG with a Like button. You wouldn't be reading postings like mine.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1984907]It is against the forum rules to discuss or post a link to this kind of information in the forum. Please request Jackson to delete your post or if you have time, you can edit it out and post something else.[/QUOTE]The information on a "successfull" bust is a good information preventing or warning board members to patronise a bar where [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord903][CodeWord903][/url] girls might be available.

When you are dealing with a 17 yo you might not notice she is if that age as she might appear (or tell) 18 or 19.

There is a thin calendar line more than anything else.

And get into troubles not necessarily willing to get a real [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girl.

I assume those perverts are not loking for 17 yo but a real low teen.

Still, technically and legally, you will be treated as such perverts.

So good to know about the bar name and the story.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1984373]When they are strange they really are. Long story short, I left Marine disco with a girl (No) which seemed to be willing, slim and enough good looking. I got the feeling that she was surely a bit drunk but also with an attitude different from most others. It was raining and my place is far (by thai lady standards), so we waited a little but it wasn't stopping, during which she was a bit strange. She was insisting that it would have been OK to just drive to my place, well according to me it would not have been fun to get there totally soaked. Finally I bought a raincoat for her, while I would have worn my jacket. She would not have nothing of that, according to her I should have been the one wearing the raincoat. I had been patient until then, but it became clear to me that I was risking disappointment and arguing with an unstable, tired girl which would not even make her demands clear. Left her on 2nd Rd. and got home. Wearing the raincoat.[/QUOTE]Maybe your post has not explained the situation at all well. Perhaps you should try again to make it make sense, rather than yourself appearing to be the unstable one, very concerned about getting soaked, but refusing to wear the raincoat. Try not to leave us all totally baffled.

Normally most Thai girls do not want to get soaked (scared of getting sick from poluted rain in Bangkok at least), but your post did not seem to portray that, nor really explain why anyone would be soaked. Did you intend to drive your own car that was parked too far away? (I assume not). Did you intend to walk the whole way? Would you have got soaked getting into a Taxi?

As per BKK Dog reply, I don't get it. One has to suspect you were having communication problems with the girl as well.

The only sense of your post that I can surmise, is that it was raining so girl wanted to go to your place immediately in a taxi, but you did not want to pay for the taxi, yet willing to buy a raincoat (which hardly makes sense) ? Perhaps you intended not to use a taxi but the girl did not comprehend this? Can that be it, or totally wrong? Its the only scenario I could come up with to explain the arguing over who should wear the raincoat. A complete misunderstanding.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1985079]
Its the only scenario I could come up with to explain the arguing over who should wear the raincoat.[/QUOTE]Try thinking harder. In which case two people on a vehicle get wet when raining?

I noticed that there are quite a few massage shops that are open during daytime on Second Road between Central Festival and Central Pattaya Road, on the beach side of Second Road. They have girls hanging outside, some of whom are pretty. They have suggestive names such as Joy Massage or Charming Massage. One of them, Top House Massage, also offers rooms for rent, which suspiciously sounds like a short-time motel.

I assume these are originally legit places, but this being Pattaya, I cannot think that rules against the masseuse giving a "special" to her customer for a thousand Baht would be stringently enforced. If so, this would be a good alternative during mid-day to the bars on Soi 6 and to the dedicated boom-boom places on Soi Honey such as Paradise Massage and Up To You Massage, both of which I have already sampled and reviewed.

Does anybody have any experience with these ostensibly legit massage places that may (or may not) offer extras during daytime?

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1985151]I noticed that there are quite a few massage shops that are open during daytime on Second Road between Central Festival and Central Pattaya Road, on the beach side of Second Road. They have girls hanging outside, some of whom are pretty. They have suggestive names such as Joy Massage or Charming Massage. One of them, Top House Massage, also offers rooms for rent, which suspiciously sounds like a short-time motel.

I assume these are originally legit places, but this being Pattaya, I cannot think that rules against the masseuse giving a "special" to her customer for a thousand Baht would be stringently enforced. If so, this would be a good alternative during mid-day to the bars on Soi 6 and to the dedicated boom-boom places on Soi Honey such as Paradise Massage and Up To You Massage, both of which I have already sampled and reviewed.

Does anybody have any experience with these ostensibly legit massage places that may (or may not) offer extras during daytime?[/QUOTE]The places you name, do offer extras, I know because I have tried (most of the ones between Central Festival and Central Road) personally.

Don't know.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1984959]Incorrect. It is against the rules to discuss procurement or partaking. It is not against the rules to warn someone to beware. The same as there is an entire thread on how to spot a ladyboy. It does not discuss how to go about getting them or what posters have done with them.[/QUOTE]"Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to any person (s) under the age of 18 years. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately. ".

This is right from the posting guidelines of ISG and is worded completely different than what you just said.

Police in Pattaya do have several roadblocks and they do stop mostly foreigners regardless of color and age. They issue tickets for no reason. Matter of fact there are some foreigners among them and they are also part of the scam. If you don't want to spend your time in the police station to pay the fine and try to recover your documents, avoid renting vehicles in Pattaya. Fines are about 400 bath. Not a big deal but waiting to recover your documents is a nuisance.

My story, in two days I received two tickets. One for they did not like my AAA International license, even it was all current and legitimate with the right endorsements and second one was for stoping for few seconds at a no parking zone. For both tickets, I had to wait around 2 hours each times.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1985151]I noticed that there are quite a few massage shops that are open during daytime on Second Road between Central Festival and Central Pattaya Road, on the beach side of Second Road. They have girls hanging outside, some of whom are pretty. They have suggestive names such as Joy Massage or Charming Massage. One of them, Top House Massage, also offers rooms for rent, which suspiciously sounds like a short-time motel.

I assume these are originally legit places, but this being Pattaya, I cannot think that rules against the masseuse giving a "special" to her customer for a thousand Baht would be stringently enforced. If so, this would be a good alternative during mid-day to the bars on Soi 6 and to the dedicated boom-boom places on Soi Honey such as Paradise Massage and Up To You Massage, both of which I have already sampled and reviewed.

Does anybody have any experience with these ostensibly legit massage places that may (or may not) offer extras during daytime?[/QUOTE]Second try to upload reply.

Yes, I have tried most of those shops between central festival and central road. And they do offer extras, but as far as I remember, the separate massage rooms that are very small. (Mostly a massagebench squeezed into a tiny room).

I have also had several takeouts of girls from different massage shops at closing time (normally around midnight / 01 am). The benefits of this is, No Barfine, no ladydrinks, a sober girl, and no earlier ST customers that day. What's included is negotiated with the lady you getting massage from.

My ST rates with these ladies have been between 1000 and 2000 bath.

Note that as these massage places are not massage houses like Rasputin / Honey massage / other, the success to take out a girl, is depending on your behavior, and liking of the girl (being sober, smell good, and being nice is a good start).

If you want to drink a little, and still be able to score in a massage shop, even in daytime, head down to Soi honey, from second road. The massage places there offer full sex on location. Sometimes with just a thin curtain between your floor mattress, and the customer on the next mattress, next to you.

This is not for everybody, as you can hear every little moaning and every sound, just on the other side of the silk thin curtain. As well as they can hear you.

For a regular good massage (no extras) , head to the shops close to the dolphin circulation point, on second road.

Good luck, JD.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1985168]"Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to any person (s) under the age of 18 years. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately. ".

This is right from the posting guidelines of ISG and is worded completely different than what you just said.[/QUOTE]You are telling part of the story. The title of that rule says: [B]No Discussion of Sex with Minors:[/B] as I properly stated. The article that I posted does not discuss that, but discusses a bar being busted for offering that. There are other articles throughout ISG (David33 in Peru and Colombia Jake who killed himself in prison the other day) about members being busted for offering minors. Again, these articles and discussions are not a violation.

I also stated that there is a thread on spotting ladyboys although there is a rule:

No Discussion about Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males:

A reasonable mind can discern that the rules are meant to cover reports where a person talks about procurement or sexual acts and not about the posting of a news article warning other readers to beware.

If I posted a report saying to watch out for the ladyboys on Beach Road; they will asault you and try to rob you this would obviously not be a violation of the rules. If I posted a report of acts that a friend had done with one then that would be a violation of the rules.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1984554]Same story here. I normally don't drink but can do without the hassle of the police checks, by now I know where they stand. On leaving W. S. Drive up on the side street (saisong 16) and avoid major crossings. To get on the darkside avoid driving north by the railroad, they do checks there and on the Suk. 53 crossing. Better drive up central to Suk south, if on a bike there is a "special" U-turn that you can make after 200 m, just look other bikers doing the same. Time ago they had big stops on Suk going south by the police station with pitiful tourist police doing the screening on foreigners for them, however that would be a day-only money rising operation. I'm so glad I didn't took a S. T room with the crazy girl mentioned before either![/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. I like you know if not all the check points in Pattaya especially in town. These days it seems they are already tired on sitting under the tents doing nothing. Since returning it looks like majority are abandon? I usually do not take the main routes but small Soi's to get to Sukhumvit. But the last few times I was caught off guard they were set up in these small and dark Soi's. One of my regular routes going home is usually through the Love Inn, Soi towards Soi Batman. I got caught off guard one night there too. The night before New Year Eve, I got all the way to Sukhumvit cut towards the opening right before the big police station and they were all set up pulling people over. I usually cut into the small Soi, runs through to the railroad tracks Soi Khao Noi, got stop there too.

The opening you refer to seems to be close during the evening now. I've used it during the day but it isn't open all the time.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1985168]"Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to any person (s) under the age of 18 years. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately. ".
This is right from the posting guidelines of ISG and is worded completely different than what you just said.[/QUOTE]Mod in training? Drop it. You have been told already what is what, no need to further quibble.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1985170]Police in Pattaya do have several roadblocks and they do stop mostly foreigners regardless of color and age. They issue tickets for no reason. Matter of fact there are some foreigners among them and they are also part of the scam. If you don't want to spend your time in the police station to pay the fine and try to recover your documents, avoid renting vehicles in Pattaya. Fines are about 400 bath. Not a big deal but waiting to recover your documents is a nuisance. My story, in two days I received two tickets. One for they did not like my AAA International license, even it was all current and legitimate with the right endorsements and second one was for stoping for few seconds at a no parking zone. For both tickets, I had to wait around 2 hours each times.[/QUOTE]So it is getting worse. At least in the past the tickets which I received were technically valid. BTW Thailand does not require an international DL as long the domestic one is in English. Yes there are some POS foreigners helping them just to keep their badge and feel important. In the past I had left an expired DL with them only to find that with an unpaid ticket one can't renew the yearly registration, meaning that I couldn't sell the bike. I had to pay up after all. LBM, I'm talking about the cut going north immediately after central, it is still open as I write. It just saves 5 minutes at night.

Enough for BS tickets talk, here's what I've found during this trip. Kinnaree has one stunner and an half, the rest is regular bar staffing. Remodeled Lucifer is almost OK, waiters are less pushy for drinks than before, girls appear to be less stuck up than at I-bar, which was and remain a place mostly for youngsters. I-disco is, I'd say mostly wasted time. If you're young and / or OK with spending, hit I-bar early for the 5% top FLs. However the usual disco BS keeps going, last night at 4 am a sexy girl told me that was willing to leave at 5. I said OK! would see her then, and just moved on, in hindsight I should have stuck to her fine ass for 50 mins, then walk out with any other lady with a big smile. I also visit Marine for kicks and the place is great for older guys, but the quality is poor as always, I was lucky to pull a cutie and sweet one the 1st night, but she thinks her services are metered 1 K a pop so I wouldn't know what to do even if I see her again.

How's Skyfall? Does anyone have a report from there? I've seen some of the ladies on YouTube and they look good.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1985244]How's Skyfall? Does anyone have a report from there? I've seen some of the ladies on YouTube and they look good.[/QUOTE]Skyfall, I go into from time to time. They have nice girls standing outside. The rotate them from the inside when they aren't dancing. The setup is a large narrow room with stages. If you don't sit in the middle it is hard to see both lineup on the stages. Basically got to take your drink and move.

To me it is basically a smaller version of Sensation, not sure but I think the BF is 1500 drops after midnight. Not one of my favorites due to lack of nudity or none at all which is the majority of the time but they do have a nice lineup. The girls ask Bacarra prices so if that isn't your budget got to be patient.

Old New Guy.

When you talk about Central, are you referring to Pattaya Klang where FoodLand is located? At the top is block off right, you got to turn left and merge into Sukhumvit. The opening you refer to is that right where Soi Siam Country. Nam Chai. Otherside Index? If that is the spot it was close the other night and yesterday morning the cement cylinder was moved so one can barely get by?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1985259]When you talk about Central, are you referring to Pattaya Klang where FoodLand is located? At the top is block off right, you got to turn left and merge into Sukhumvit. The opening you refer to is that right where Soi Siam Country. Nam Chai. Otherside Index? If that is the spot it was close the other night and yesterday morning the cement cylinder was moved so one can barely get by?[/QUOTE]PM sent. After all that's illegal stuff LOL.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1985071]The information on a "successful" bust is a good information preventing or warning board members to patronise a bar where CodeWord903 girls might be available.[/QUOTE]

The problem with such announcements is that while most people might take it as a warning, the perverts will read it as an invitation / advertisement to check out that particular bar, cluster of bars or general area.

IMHO, it would be best if that entire topic were entirely off-limits. If a girl appears questionable, either avoid altogether or ask for ID. That's all a careful punter needs to do, and now that Thai IDs have western dates on them, it's not hard. More specific warnings are entirely redundant.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1985333]If a girl appears questionable, either avoid altogether or ask for ID.[/QUOTE]Can you understand those Thai ID cards? I can't. They dont even use our same calendar. Hell, I can't even tell if it says they are male or female on those IDs.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1985204]

A reasonable mind can discern that the rules are meant to cover reports where a person talks about procurement or sexual acts and not about the posting of a news article warning other readers to beware.

If I posted a report saying to watch out for the ladyboys on Beach Road; they will asault you and try to rob you this would obviously not be a violation of the rules. If I posted a report of acts that a friend had done with one then that would be a violation of the rules.[/QUOTE]Spot on! I think it was all clear to everybody.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1985244]How's Skyfall? Does anyone have a report from there? I've seen some of the ladies on YouTube and they look good.[/QUOTE]My last visit was about a month ago. Imo average lineup most nights. I liken it to what's up. Decent girls but I fall asleep in those clubs since they aren't fun.

Don't let YouTube videos be a deciding factor on where to go. Many of the clubs with the best girls like baccara, Sensations, Fahrenheit don't have hot girls standing outside.

[QUOTE=JoshDales;1985174]Second try to upload reply.

Yes, I have tried most of those shops between central festival and central road. And they do offer extras, but as far as I remember, the separate massage rooms that are very small. (Mostly a massagebench squeezed into a tiny room).

I have also had several takeouts of girls from different massage shops at closing time (normally around midnight / 01 am). The benefits of this is, No Barfine, no ladydrinks, a sober girl, and no earlier ST customers that day. What's included is negotiated with the lady you getting massage from.

My ST rates with these ladies have been between 1000 and 2000 bath.

Note that as these massage places are not massage houses like Rasputin / Honey massage / other, the success to take out a girl, is depending on your behavior, and liking of the girl (being sober, smell good, and being nice is a good start).

If you want to drink a little, and still be able to score in a massage shop, even in daytime, head down to Soi honey, from second road. The massage places there offer full sex on location. Sometimes with just a thin curtain between your floor mattress, and the customer on the next mattress, next to you.

This is not for everybody, as you can hear every little moaning and every sound, just on the other side of the silk thin curtain. As well as they can hear you.

For a regular good massage (no extras) , head to the shops close to the dolphin circulation point, on second road.

Good luck, JD.[/QUOTE]Thank you for giving us the low-down on the massage shops between Central Festival and Central Pattaya Road, JD. I am glad I can get a special there! Do you recall if the separation between rooms is hard wall going up to the ceiling, or flimsy curtain like Soi Honey? I wouldn't mind a minimum of privacy.

I wrote a post about 78 pages back. I want to re-post it with some additional info for the new bros who won't read back further than five pages and assume they have Pattaya figured out.

This is for complete beginners, so older members might think my observations are childish, because older members have been doing it for so long.

I won't give play by plays of my experiences unless it helps solidify my points. As always, older members are always welcome to chime in with their observations.

Another few notes, I'll be in Pattaya Jan. 18th until Feb. 1. I'm excited about this trip since it'll be my longest one to date!

I was 31 years old when I first went in 2015. I am a 6'2" (188 cm) 218 pound (99 kg) white American male. I have abs, an outgoing personality, and can bench more than my weight for reps. I can get girls easily in every country I've visited. I'm not bragging, I only included this info because I want to emphasize that I paid the exact same for the girls as every other member of this board. Looks do not matter! The girls want your wallet, not your abs. If I walked into a gogo and didn't buy LD (lady drinks) they would ignore me just as quickly as they would ignore an 80 year old fat ass. However, I can recall several occasions where pot-bellied men started throwing cash around without question. They were much more popular than me. Always remember the motto; "cash is king".

I lurked on this board for about six months before my first trip and back-read reports for over 100 pages. I strongly suggest each monger do the same before they visit Pattaya. (but I know most of you won't).

Here are my tips that you should absolutely follow:

1. You should be able to quote price ranges for any service within each part of town at any given time of the day / week / year. You'll learn these prices from reading the last 100 pages of this forum. Don't be lazy, just do it! If you can't name at least three Soi 6 bars, or the average price of a FL on BR at 6 am, then you haven't read enough.

2. You should understand this is not your country or culture! People here act differently; don't expect them to change for you simply because you are unable to change for them. (which leads to my next tip).

3. Keep your eyes open. When you enter any place, hotels, restaurants, go-go's, it doesn't matter, look around and pay attention to what other people are doing. If you see a monger groping a girl and the girl is laughing, you are allowed to do the same. If you see mongers sitting on their hands, you better do the same until you see otherwise. Also, keep in mind that some people can do things others cannot. Indians get treated differently than Japanese, that's just the way it is. Know where you fit in. You'll have plenty of fun regardless of your background.

4. Plan on using at least 6,000 baht a day. Don't think you can get by with less on your first trip. Being tight with your wallet will ruin your holiday and leave a sour taste in your mouth. Don't try to argue on this one. If you can't bring at least 6,000 a day, don't go. After your first trip, you can plan on how much to bring, but first time just do as I say! That 6,000 does not include hotel fare either, you cheap bastard. Seasoned Pattaya mongers spend a lot less because they already know what works for them. There is also a lot of debate about this number from seasoned guys.

5. Have a game plan before you leave your hotel each morning. You don't have to plan every minute but at least know what part of town you want to visit. Thailand is hot, you don't want to be standing in the sun trying to decide where to go.

6. Don't try to do everything in one day. I know it's your holiday but don't go overboard. I tried to visit LK Metro, Soi 6, WS, and go shopping all on my first day. It led to me feeling hurried and stressed. I spent more time walking than I did enjoying my holiday. I realized that aiming for two destinations a day is a lot better. Soi 6 in the afternoon then WS at night worked beautifully for me. You can mix and match destinations.

7. Learn to love the baht buses. I walked everywhere the first two days; it was awful! I was staying near WS and I walked to Soi 6 and back several times. It was a big mistake. I eventually hopped on a baht bus, and everything was a lot easier after that revelation.

8. Lower your standards for what you need in a hotel. Like tip 2 suggests, don't expect things to be like back home. Do you really need to stay at a 5-star hotel? If the same answer is yes, go ahead and spend a ton of money. You should make a list of the things you absolutely need in a hotel. My list was short: bed, toilet, near WS. I found a hotel with average ratings which was cheap. Turns out the hotel was freaking great! It was worth way more than the cost. I'll be staying there again.

9. Don't be shy! This is a rookie mistake I made. I tried being a gentleman and it made my trip less enjoyable. If you want a girl, go for it! Approach her, talk with her.

10. Just because you aren't shy doesn't mean you have a pass to be rude. Be the man with a smile, not the man with fist. If something frustrates you, remember this is your holiday. Let it go!

11. Relax! You will be overwhelmed your first time in Pattaya. You will get a flood of weird emotions. When that happens, find a relaxing place to reset and reassess your reasons for the visit. You read all these reports of men who land 11 girls in 6 days and you feel the need to do the same. The pressure can be bigger than you realized. Don't try to be that guy on your first trip. Be the guy laughing happily, not the dehydrated one looking to refill fluids. If you see a girl who gets you going, have fun! If you are tired from the previous girl, don't feel like you have to get another just to keep up with studs on this board. They've been here several times. They've been training for the marathon. You're still just a sprinter. Some of the guys in this forum are freaks of nature. Even with pills, I can't keep up with their numbers.

12. Try eating at different places for each meal. This one is a little more personal, but I feel the need to say it since I love experiencing new things. Don't go to the same place over and over. Also, be wary of seafood if it's been sitting outside all day.

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13. If you like a girl at a bar or gogo then barfine her or close the deal for ST or LT whichever you may like. Chances are that she will probably not be there if you come back for her after hopping few more places. There are tons of beautiful girls to meet everyone's taste and the search for the perfect one sometimes proves endless or tiresome. Hence as they say, "a bird in hand is better than 2 in the Bush. " Spend time enjoying the company of a girl rather then searching for the most beautiful girl around.

14. Girls are available around the clock in Pattaya. Do research for places if you have morning or day time preferences and you can roll 24 x 7 if you have the urge and stamina.

15. Do some reading on Ladyboys especially if you are not into them on how to identify and avoid as you can get a surprise in your room if haven't asked them before about their gender.

And the forum previously added this advice.

16. Know your drinking limit. If you get angry after seven beers, stop drinking at six. Your holiday will be quickly ruined if you make a drunken mistake. You don't want to start a fight in Thailand, and you don't want to be passed out drunk in the streets.

17. Know when to let stuff go. If the sign says "80 baht beer" but they charge me 90, I'll just let it go. 10 baht isn't worth fighting for. I once saw a monger angrily yell at two bartenders in the early afternoon because he was given a San Miguel Light instead of a regular San Miguel. I couldn't believe it! Don't be that guy. 1000 baht might be worth a disagreement, but 10 baht isn't.

18. Don't immediately get defensive when a girl quotes you a high price. If a BR FL asks for 1500, don't automatically think she trying to scam you out of your money. She's just trying to get what she can; don't take it as a personal offense because she didn't open with 800 or less. It is okay to negotiate, but it isn't okay to believe she hates you because that's what she asked for. Some guys take bargaining personal, please don't.

19. You'll see tons of posts in this forum arguing about money or complaining about Pattaya not being as great as it was; take those posts with a grain of salt. Many of them are bitter vets, or jealous haters. If you're new, you'll have the time of your life!

20. Maintain a high energy attitude! Dress hip / cool, act hip, show energy vs lethargy, and come across as a fun guy. Girls (particularly the younger ones) don't want just a boring guy. And more so, if like me, you stick with the under (say) 28. Haven123 added this one.

21. Never ever fall in love with a professional or non-professional girl. For me it is unbelievable how many Thai girls have 3, 5 or more different foreign friends at the same time who support "her girl" with money every month and every one of these guys thinks, that he is her only friend. Added by Michager.

As always, older members are encouraged to add to this list. Your advice is more helpful than you may realize. I'll continue to add to this list and post an updated one in six months or so.

Spent 3 days in Pattaya with a few friends. Being a Pattaya virgin, this forum was the go-to source for information. Thanking everyone for all the suggestions and updates you post here. Hopefully, this will help some other first timers as well. This is my first trip log, in fact my very first post here; so, please go easy on the feedback.

Day 1.

Flying into Bangkok and cab ride to Pattaya was quite painless. We were flying red-eye, so, everyone had a chance to grab some shut eye in the 90 minutes it took us to get there. We checked into the Amari Gardens which is at the other end of beach road. Amari Gardens has sibling Amari Towers which is a lot more modern and overlooks BR. Lots of families here, and we spotted some corporate off-site events too. None of us brought any girls back to the rooms, but I have spotted some girls walking out early morning. Unfortunately, can't provide any pointers on the joiners fee, if any.

Come early evening, we grabbed the tuktuk on BR and headed over to Walking Street. Seemed to be warming up at 5:30 in the evening, with lots of people milling around, and some signboard aglow. We realized we're way too early, so decided to see some of the famous massage parlors instead. Back to the hotel (for the Wifi. LOL), and then we found ourselves in Sabai Room. My first fishbowl experience, and it was a bit strange, TBH. Picking from a menu has a whole new meaning now As expected Red, Blue and White, priced at 2 k, 2.5 k and 3 k. We looked around, and the girls were inviting to say the least. But then, someone decided that we should scout other places too.

Off we went to PP Massage, which I learnt is the favorite for Indians. In fact, papa san spoke very colorful Hindi too! He quoted identical prices (2,2.5,3) and we were in a splendid mood by this time. We each picked a girl of our choice, paid and headed over to the room.

I don't remember being bathed, ever. And the soapy massage was an experience into itself. I had picked Ann (though she pronounced as 'Ain' who looked busty in the fishbowl. When she stripped down to nothing in the room, I discovered the power of the push up bra, and that Thai women look very young even after children (C-Sec scar was evident). Nevertheless, I was super excited and looking forward to the experience. The massage was fantastic, and Ann made it a point to massage my cock aggressively, probably hoping I'd cum right away (she told me later I was too big for her). After a wash off, we headed to the bed, starting with WOT, then mish and doggy. She was extremely tight, and I had trouble getting into her in mish position. Anyway, had a great time, but couldn't cum (. Long story). She suddenly said something and pointed to her wrist, indicating that my 90 minutes were up.

Washed off again in the bath, and she escorted me to the lobby. I discovered that she'd short changed me 15 minutes! Oh well. Maybe I was causing her some pain. Anyway, I had a decent first experience.

Headed of with friends to WS, which was abuzz by now. Fantastic environment and energy! We got into Insomnia for a few drinks and found plenty a few hot looking women there. Didn't pick any up, since we were kinda spent.

Unfortunately, a few places refused us entry. Taboo, Mixx and another (name skips my mind). Guess the memo on the Indians got to them.

All in all, a great first day! Day 2 coming soon!

Cheerz!

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1985472]Thank you for giving us the low-down on the massage shops between Central Festival and Central Pattaya Road, JD. I am glad I can get a special there! Do you recall if the separation between rooms is hard wall going up to the ceiling, or flimsy curtain like Soi Honey? I wouldn't mind a minimum of privacy.[/QUOTE]A few of the places only have foot massage and nothing else, but some have internal rooms. I can recall one of the places there that has 3 small back-rooms with "folding door" , a type of cheap wood / plastic material drag-curtain doors.

They do not go all the way to the roof, so I would only call it semi privacy.

Another one has benches up the stairs from the massage shop, with curtains between the benches, but if you are the only visitor upstairs, then you are "in private", and you will hear any other customer coming up the stairs long before they enter the room.

Another alternative is the massage places close to walking street, on the corner of second road, where the bath buses start their trip northbound towards the dolphin turnabout.

I really have tried a lot of massage places, and instead of looking for P4P girls, an alternative is to walk from place to place, looking for the good looking ones, and try to build a connection.

Walking street massage places (close to the southern end of walking street) never got me anything. To many tourists, no privacy.

Usually the tactics of getting a HJ first time, is the icebreaker that makes it possible to get her back to your hotel the next time you visit, if you made a good impression, and she feels safe with you.

Hope it helps, and good hunting. JD.

Hi all,

Will be in Pattaya during the weekend of Feb-2nd for 4 days only.

This will be my 5th visit to Pattaya, and I look forward to it.

Anyone interested to have drinks / food / girls together, please PM.

Thanks,

M.

[QUOTE=NickMehta;1985540]Spent 3 days in Pattaya with a few friends. Being a Pattaya virgin, this forum was the go-to source for information. Thanking everyone for all the suggestions and updates you post here. Hopefully, this will help some other first timers as well. This is my first trip log, in fact my very first post here; so, please go easy on the feedback.[/QUOTE]Nice report Nick, keep them coming.

So, not much has changed in the last 8 months, that I can tell. (but please note, I have not entered a single GO GO and I have not been to Kinnaree (on this trip)) , or places like that either on this trip (as yet).

1. I've been to Soi 6 places and Soi 7 Shooters. Checked out LK Metro area, Soi Buakhao, and several beer bar areas off of 2nd Road. As is normal and my MO, I've been to the discos a lot. But usually only very late around 2 am. I stay disciplined as far planning my sleep, some exercises and enjoying Thai food, which I love.

2. Prices: As far as I can tell, no change in prices anywhere in Soi 6 or at the discos. Max I was quoted (and I usually don't ask so my sample set is small on this trip) was initial of 2,500, which ends up in 2000 max, LT. I like decent face, non pros, under 28 and good attitude. I never do ST, so my gating question to myself always is, " can I stand having this chick next to me for up to 24 hours " and maybe 3-4 days if I like really her. Soi 6 no change in prices, as it is set by the owner operator.

3. Results: In about 8 days (after initial jet lag day and almost 2 wasted days punctuated with incessant rain, plus another 2 days due to a major auto accident with family member back home (putting a huge damper on my state of mind)) , I have done very, very poorly.

Only 2 girls I liked, 2 -3 girls where I was too late and did not strike when the iron was hot (always my problem in the initial few days, since I am frigging optimist). So, I grade myself a 3 on a 1-10 scale, in terms of success. Of the 2 new girls, one drinks too much and the other wants me to hang with 2 of her older friends (she is 24) and I don't want to prick up the tab for that. Yeah, so many things have to fall in line for me, since I don't like ST. And, I avoid pros. Yes, I do distinguish between pros, semi pros, new pros and non pros. Your opinion and YMMV on this, obviously. But, I am really enjoying my time at the discos until 6 am...LOL.

4. The trip started off poorly as I was expecting to hook up with 2 of my favs from my last trip. A 20 yr old massage girl, who now has a regular job and keeps telling me she is too busy with work (I think either a boyfriend or legit work. Who knows? Does not matter, that's gone now! ).Huge bummer for me!

The other left after the Kings death, and went back home since it seems about 4-6 weeks of mourning put a real damper. And she is real non pro. She is back in Isaan, but wants to come stay with me. I laughed and put it off, since I like some days off alone. After 2-4 days with a girl. But, now she is saying I can just tell her to go back home whenever I want, LOL. She is too frickin nice! And, for me that's a problem. But, I am gonna have her come down next week, LOL.

5. Soi 6 girls are making a lot of money. Many over 50,000 baht a month. Easy to understand as guys find that to be one of the best places. So yes, it is demand driven. Also, one British owner is running a great organization with Brit managers and has several under his belt. But, I fear for his safety as he posts stuff publicly about his connections with politicians and I think police too. Guy has a Thai wife, but you never know. Anyway, Toy Box and Night Wish seem good for my taste.

6. Facebook: This is becoming a monster IMO. Many Soi 6 and Go Go girls very active and I have been monitoring about 2 dozen girls for a month, for my pre-trip intelligence and plain curiosity. All these girls now are looking for love (boyfriend, husband whatever and they are deluding themselves IMO). But, they live in their own cocoons, whether it be among their Soi 6 friends, Go Go friends or whatever and they are all IMO together perpetuating their delusion. And, with the money, they are all drinking way too much , getting stressed out, come to the discos to relax , party more, and then after a month of that end up for something or other ( stress or don't know what else ) at the hospital. Crazy stuff ...this stress related hospital visits....I am shocked by extent of this...but if you think about it, it's easy to understand ( due to only 3 days off a month) long hours, drinking and more drinking.

So, they are all chasing their LT farang or sponsor option. At least 2/3 have a kid back home and financial support they are providing, adding to the stress and the boozy lifestyle of long, long hours and highly structured work environments at Soi 6 or at the Go- Go's.

After all, they are making good money, are young, want to have their cake and eat it too. Most have many tattoos and that is their call sign (I love girls with tattoos back home and in Latin America, but not here). For me, Facebook seems to be destroying Pattaya options, for a guy like me. Girls on these groups, feeding each other info, prices, how to get a sponsor, how to get guys ' vested' and other strategies. Many girls blindly follow and many are not doing well due to high expectations. This, plus Japanese and newbies, short stay guys are making things in Pattaya very difficult for a guy like me. High expectations by girls will be the problem in months and years to come. I think Latin America is better for me, by far. Girls are genuinely sweeter and have realistic expectations are are not on the hunt for a farang husband.

7. I have yet to try out BR (which is a turn off for me) but I will give it a look tonight. I think this along with Soi 6 is among the best options for the non Go- Go crowd (I have nothing against Go- Go 's but I abhor sitting and ogling at girls and drinking at those places. I never had to in most places around the world. Dating web sites are 90 PC of bread and butter in Latin Countries, but it does not work for me here (I am no longer a young or even youngish guy for the non pro Thai girls! LOL).

8. Kinnaree should work for those who like on premises point and shoot. Shooters on Soi 7 seems worthwhile, but maybe 3-4 good ones.

9. Clubs: I am begining to like Lucifers. But talent level small and lower quality than Ibar / Insomnia. Wait staff push you to buy drinks.

10. Other: many more African girls than I saw on last trip. I expect this trend may increase, but they are not successful. Too many Russians and Turkish at the Discos and Central Festival. Need to go spend more time at Area 51 near Soi Buakhao and LK metro, 2-3 decent girls. Also, saw one beer bar, at around the intersection on Soi LK Metro and Soi Buakhao where the girls seemed surprisingly decent looking. Will go back and confirm and post name in the next several days.

11. OT : The brunch buffet with some BBQ at Cafe Pascal ( until 2 pm LOL ) at 240 baht very good... but no Thai or Asian food.

Made it on the bus fro Ekammia in Bangkok, with the customary chaos, random boarding and typical 2 hour late arrival of the scheduled coach. 120 baht. My impressions of Pattaya is one of a heavily built up city on the coast infested with heavy traffic and tourists from everywhere. Pretty polluted as well, and not as compact as Bangkok and the BTS skytrain. A lot of sad rip-off prices for atrocious faux western food (what is the point being here and not eat Asian) and people trying to sell you shit, sunglasses, massage, ping-pong show etc etc. It is also very noisy with neon everywhere and people trying to pull you in. Calling it a "beach" "town" is bullshit. It is a heavily built up urban slum. Compared to Hawaii or Cost Rica or the Dalmatian coast, it is a parody of a beach. The food is not very good, heavy use of industrial meat farming coupled with poor hygiene and refrigeration, a special problem for chicken and poultry. One of the local doctors I know tells me severe food poisoning is common along with drunks falling over or out of trucks.

Eventually I made it to a soi (not sure which one, but off walking street) leading to 2nd road which was fun with overtones of the Cantina bar scene in Star Wars with a genuine fat Jabba the Hut guy (chin goes direct to chest, no neck) knocking back beers and drooling, but popular with the girls as he freely dispensed money and lady drinks. Two uptight horrified looking menopausal western cows in the bar whilst a girl stuck ice in her pussy and popped it in a punters drink. Another guy was licking out a girl at the bar and then fucked her on the stool about 30 minutes later. Had a few beers. The girls dance with no panties. After a while it got boring, somehow too frontal, nothing left to the imagination or delicious intrigue. Headed off to Honey's on No. 2 Road, attractive chick (#479 or something) was mechanical and cold, claimed not to have a second condom for shot No. 2.

This place is really full on, literally thousands of girls in the beach road plying their pussies and the trail of tampax and tissues. Yet we cannot resist them.

In the day light, Pattaya looks like a slum. The beach is crowded with hawkers and stalls, polluted with way too many power boats and cruddy. Yeah great for pussy, but not much else in nicer digs. On that note, I checked out several hotels from 4 k baht to 800 baht. All have rock hard mattresses and flimsy pillows. Not the best for quality sleep to recharge the pipes for the next day of action.

I think German FKK are way better. 50 Euros = 1890 baht at today's rate, though you can get a short time girl here for about 1000 baht.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1985515]
Another few notes, I'll be in Pattaya Jan. 18th until Feb. 1. I'm excited about this trip since it'll be my longest one to date!

I was 31 years old when I first went in 2015. I am a 6'2" (188 cm) 218 pound (99 kg) white American male. I have abs, an outgoing personality, and can bench more than my weight for reps. I can get girls easily in every country I've visited. I'm not bragging, I only included this info because I want to emphasize that I paid the exact same for the girls as every other member of this board. Looks do not matter! The girls want your wallet, not your abs. If I walked into a gogo and didn't buy LD (lady drinks) they would ignore me just as quickly as they would ignore an 80 year old fat ass. However, I can recall several occasions where pot-bellied men started throwing cash around without question. They were much more popular than me. Always remember the motto; "cash is king".[/QUOTE]It may seem so you, but to top FLs, look and age DO matter. Also in some "high" brothels or go-go, some girls refuse service (have period, go back home tomorrow, or just rudeness) to old (which in Asia is 40 and more) guys. I'll happily bet a drink at I-bar with you to prove my point. And it's easy too see, look at the real stunners, with who they go hand-in-hand? 25-35 is the gold age for a truly demanding guy here.

Pahllus Maximum and Haven123: of course what your write is true. Good reports.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;1985861]
I think German FKK are way better. 50 Euros = 1890 baht at today's rate, though you can get a short time girl here for about 1000 baht.[/QUOTE]ST at FKK is 30 minutes vs 1 hour or more from a soi 6 or Kinnaree girl. You also have to pay 60-80 euro entry for a FKK. For the same price you would need to compare fkk vs a high end gogo girl from walking street.

Not going to deny that a top FKK girl is comparable to a top gogo girl (ie. Way better looking than soi 6) but the passion just isn't the same from a Romanian vs a Thai girl.

BTW thank you for your review. Try avoiding the mechanical tourist soapies like honey 1. They are tempting but not if you want service.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;1985861]Two uptight horrified looking menopausal western cows in the bar whilst a girl stuck ice in her pussy and popped it in a punters drink. Another guy was licking out a girl at the bar and then fucked her on the stool about 30 minutes later.[/QUOTE]I didn't see anything like that when I was there; tbh I am beginning to feel a little bit short changed about my visit.

Pattaya strangely attracts families, I don't understand why. The touristy Thai restaurants change the same as in the States or Europe (250 baht per dish = USD 7. 00) , a semi-decent cappuccino is 80 baht (USD 2. 26), and beers about 60 baht (USD 1. 70) and pussy at about 1000 baht s / t (USD28.00) plus perhaps a room and bar fine (300 baht each or USD 8. 50). Dentistry is cheap, 700 baht for a good scale and clean (USD 19.79).

There are also many condos for sale, about 2-6 m baht depending on size and location (USD 56,600 to 170,000), but the beach is crap. So, my guess is that it attracts Russians on a budget who think the sun and heat and somewhat exotic people is a great deal. Cheap charlies who stay in 1000 baht per night hotels may also see this as value, providing that ambience plays no role in banging girls. Maybe I am getting old, but it is nice to have some normal social cues and chill factor. It is also a haven for guys from the USA that is sex prison, they just took backpage offline on the theory that all the girls are either [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] or being trafficked. This is simply propaganda, the truth is that fat western women are outraged we can just buy the milk and not the cow and this ties in with a generally sanctimonious lectures that come downs to protecting their pussy franchise. Sure there are abuses, but so too is working a female to death on $6 an wages with no prospect of improvement and crushing psychology of many of the corporate slave dens. Many jobs are dangerous, like process lines, slaughter houses etc. And what about the factories in Asia making consumer baubles at under $2 a day. The average Thai makes 9,000 baht a month ($USD 255) and work about 6 days a week 8-10 hours a day. They are lucky to save a 1000 baht a month. Somehow that crushing exploitation is OK, but sex is not. A lot of the bar girls are wholly rational wanting to add 20-30 k baht per month so they can get some capital and independence. Same in the USA.

So yeah, Pattaya is a shagging capital, but it is also pretty ugly and polluted. The hotel mattresses must be made in north Korea.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;1986037]Pattaya strangely attracts families, I don't understand why. ...
So yeah, Pattaya is a shagging capital, but it is also pretty ugly and polluted. The hotel mattresses must be made in north Korea.[/QUOTE]I think we're all mystified about the attraction of Pattaya to the Russians and Chinese tour groups. I presume its proximity to BKK makes it easier. It truly is a shithole, and I wouldn't dip my toes into the water anywhere near the mainland, including Jomtien. I remember that I cried when I took in Pattaya after having cut short a visit to Phuket. It is that bad.

And I can't wait for my four solid days there I've booked in February -- after having been stuck in Sex Prison USA. The bit about the Western heifers is spot-on!

(I do appreciate the current intel on pricing from the Soi 6 devotees. I'll stroll for the down and dirty there, but Walking Street is my favorite. I've been RTTF, and presume the current rates there are about 3000 baht, with barfines edging into four figures. Anyone who knows the range -- suppose Baccara and that tier are the highest, but if somebody's got the low-down on the range, that'd be appreciated. Thanks!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;1986037]The touristy Thai restaurants change the same as in the States or Europe (250 baht per dish = USD 7. 00) , a semi-decent cappuccino is 80 baht (USD 2. 26)[/QUOTE]That is why I normally eat Thai food at the hole in the wall in Soi Buakow. A plate of food runs me 60 to 80 baht. Also check out the drink carts and stands. You can get that cappuccino for 4x less. Remember restaurants have to pay rent and workers so their ambiance is going to cost you.

Many pictures of places around the world are photoshopped to lure tourists. I was showing a coworker the diffence between a random googled picture of the beach/water and a real one from my phone. If you have never been to a place like Aruba or Destin, Florida then Pattaya Beach suits you just fine. You can't miss what you never had. A man who has never had a ribeye is not going to complain about the bologna on his plate when he has gone without meat his entire life.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;1986037]Pattaya strangely attracts families, I don't understand why. [/QUOTE]North Pattaya is supposed to be for the non mongering tourists, but I still don't see the attraction. Considered closer to Bangkok than many other options. Bang Saen, Cha Am, Rayong, are supposed to be suited for families. I also would rather travel much further to a really nice beach on one of the Islands.

We could also ask why Arab families are attracted to Soi 3 and Soi 5 of Sukhumwit Bangkok? What is the attraction? Perhaps the men are slipping out for some naughty stuff at night.

What's up with the depressing views on this board?

Last time I was in Pattaya, the sunsets were just as beautiful as the pictures I see online. The girls felt just as good when I wrapped my arms around them.

I'm going to be writing reports for my upcoming trip, should I even bother posting them if people are going to complain about them?

I warmed up in a couple of go-go bars before making the round at Insomnia. Normally I find nothing and just head downstairs to the I-Bar, but this time some chick told me her friend liked me, so I started talking to the designated girl. Turns out her name was Mai. She had a nicely shaped body, think Tia Carrera minus 2 points. She asked 3000 short time, I brought her down to 2000 and off we went to a short-time hotel.

I was pretty tired and drunk, so I wasn't overly optimistic about the probability of her getting an erection and an ejaculation out of me, but she was really good. She gave me a very patient BBBJ. She proposed 69 but I declined. Who knows where this pussy has been? Then I fucked her missionary style and she really got into it. I don't think she came, but she was hot and flustered by my relentless punding. We both really got into it, to be honest. After a few positions, lasting quite a long time, I lay back and let her blow me again for the grand finale. By that time I was hard as a rock and she managed to squeeze the juice out of me.

All in all, a nice find. Watching her suck and fuck me on the ceiling mirror was a real turn-on, especially with the contrast between our skins (she is from Issaan). Another win for Insomnia / I-Bar, and for the philosophy of letting the girl pick me (rather than the other way around).

I rubbed my eyes: just before I came to Pattaya, I'm having a beer with a cutie (catch & release), and lo and behold, about a dozen top to bottom Ninja / burka women walking up Soi 4 towards Nana Plaza. How they reconcile the debauchery with their own stated practices and sexual suppression is curious. Maybe they are trying a new method to calm down their men from violence by BJ's and pole dancing and were on a study tour. Cold beer, getting laid left, right and centre and hanging certainly adds to a happy brotherhood amongst men from from my experience, and it seems universal. Peace through pussy! In ancient Greece, Lysistrata had the ladies go on a sex strike to end the Peloponnesian War. It was very successful. Perhaps I saw the start of something good, the end to strife by BJ's. Probably transplanting so gogo bars to the middle east with free services (much cheaper than troops etc) and the most sexually talented Thai girls would improve things. It is only a theory I made up over a beer, but maybe WSG could win the Nobel prize.

Heh heh.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1986063]What's up with the depressing views on this board?

Last time I was in Pattaya, the sunsets were just as beautiful as the pictures I see online. The girls felt just as good when I wrapped my arms around them.

I'm going to be writing reports for my upcoming trip, should I even bother posting them if people are going to complain about them?[/QUOTE]Don't worry about it! Every now and then this happens. Because everything is relative. Pattaya surely requires a significant adjustment for any westerner arriving for the first time.

And people operate differently than you and I (I am going out on a limb here). Some want to save money or need to save some money and take the bus from BKK. I ask for and pay a bit extra for a minivan (1300 baht). New, all leather, with a tissue box and 2 bottles of water.

Some have a problem with the bed. I used to stay at the Dusit and Sheraton eons ago, but now I want to be right next to Central Festival since I am here for many weeks at a time. Some use hotels or want to be near WS or Soi 6 or LK metro. I stay at a really nice condo at VT 6 with a brand new Postpurepedic King bed and excellent quality ambiance with 25 floor balcony overlooking the sea, and pay extra for daily maid service. Many don't like this set up or location.

Some love Go Go's and I don't. Some don't like having to hunt in a crowded disco at 2 or 3 am, but I do.

I spend several weeks every year in Kaanapali in Maui, and so I have never ever set foot on the beach or felt the water here in Pattaya. Others like it.

I like and get a legit professional massage practically every day...others want the ones with a happy ending and do not want a regular massage.

I avoid what I think (this is purely in the eye of the beholder) is a lousy area, but others might like it.

So, the point I am making is that is all Relative. It's up to you!

Create your little mini-universe and stay within its confines and keep circling within it and hitting the places you like and avoiding the ones you don't. It only has to work for you. Not for anyone else.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1986063]What's up with the depressing views on this board?
Last time I was in Pattaya, the sunsets were just as beautiful as the pictures I see online. The girls felt just as good when I wrapped my arms around them.
I'm going to be writing reports for my upcoming trip, should I even bother posting them if people are going to complain about them?[/QUOTE]What is so depressing?

I would not be too concerned about Mr. Pahrlous Max's Sardonic humour. Who knows what he might be on? LOL Its also well known that Pattaya is not the top place for the beauty of nature, unless it is of the pussy variety.

We can't promise to like your reports in advance, however should be great if you post good honest reports about where you found the best hot girls. That is what Pattaya is about, right? And how to best enjoy Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1986063]
Last time I was in Pattaya, the sunsets were just as beautiful as the pictures I see online.[/QUOTE]It is! Just like yesterday, an huge ball of high-contrast orange going down the hills. Never seen it like that and it was amazingly beautiful.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;1986087]I rubbed my eyes: just before I came to Pattaya, I'm having a beer with a cutie (catch & release), and lo and behold, about a dozen top to bottom Ninja / burka women walking up Soi 4 towards Nana Plaza. How they reconcile the debauchery with their own stated practices and sexual suppression is curious. Maybe they are trying a new method to calm down their men from violence by BJ's and pole dancing and were on a study tour. Cold beer, getting laid left, right and centre and hanging certainly adds to a happy brotherhood amongst men from from my experience, and it seems universal. Peace through pussy! In ancient Greece, Lysistrata had the ladies go on a sex strike to end the Peloponnesian War. It was very successful. Perhaps I saw the start of something good, the end to strife by BJ's. Probably transplanting so gogo bars to the middle east with free services (much cheaper than troops etc) and the most sexually talented Thai girls would improve things. It is only a theory I made up over a beer, but maybe WSG could win the Nobel prize.

Heh heh.[/QUOTE]Have you seen what is under those Burkas? Certainly not everyone but definitely a fair number of pornstar bodies keen to break loose once the chains are removed.

Saudi Airlines is also called Bikini Air for a reason. Many times a beekeeper gets on the plane but a Victoria Secret girl gets off.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1985515]I wrote a post about 78 pages back. I want to re-post it with some additional info for the new bros who won't read back further than five pages and assume they have Pattaya figured out.

This is for complete beginners, so older members might think my observations are childish, because older members have been doing it for so long.

I won't give play by plays of my experiences unless it helps solidify my points. As always, older members are always welcome to chime in with their observations.

Another few notes, I'll be in Pattaya Jan. 18th until Feb. 1. I'm excited about this trip since it'll be my longest one to date!

I was 31 years old when I first went in 2015. I am a 6'2" (188 cm) 218 pound (99 kg) white American male. I have abs, an outgoing personality, and can bench more than my weight for reps. I can get girls easily in every country I've visited. I'm not bragging, I only included this info because I want to emphasize that I paid the exact same for the girls as every other member of this board. Looks do not matter! The girls want your wallet, not your abs. If I walked into a gogo and didn't buy LD (lady drinks) they would ignore me just as quickly as they would ignore an 80 year old fat ass. However, I can recall several occasions where pot-bellied men started throwing cash around without question. They were much more popular than me. Always remember the motto; "cash is king"...[/QUOTE]Nice newbie post!! LOL. For future reference, I would resist giving any real advice until I'd been here maybe 15 times or so. LOL. Glad you had a newbie good time though.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1986109]It is! Just like yesterday, an huge ball of high-contrast orange going down the hills. Never seen it like that and it was amazingly beautiful.[/QUOTE]You can thank the high concentration of air pollution in Pattaya.

The sunset you saw is pollution, specifically Rayleigh scattering of light hitting crud particles increased by the cosine of light on the horizon. Now what is nether depressing is last night. Found a very cute spinner with thick, vintage / retro glasses. After some vigorous bonking and several positions, blew with her raised on pillows, face down, but able to turn around for a kiss during the La petite mort. Baby, can she move those little hips! The best part was round two, BBJ and blew all over her face and spectacles (she looked hot with that innocent student look and her mouth full of cock) at just the right moment. She then gave me a massage, and suggested we have some noodles, which we did. Turns out she is only 19 and is on a study break, this is how she makes a few extra bucks. Got her number. Definitely a repeat. We should be able to get sponsored girlfriend visa for the USA where they can stay for 90 days or oral practice and language, and that chick definitely spoke the most international language. She also mentioned having a friend. Yahoooo!

An no, Syzergies, I'm not on anything, but perhaps lazy with my choice of selecting hotels with good mattresses. Should have spent the first morning doing the softness test and moved hotels. Anyway, the above conquest more than made up for it.

Being British I have a weather related question. The twice I have been to Pattaya both visits were in March, I am planning to go in October but I see it is the wettest month, anyone been in October offer any insight as to if it is rainy most days then maybe it is best to do another month?

Thanks.

I'm very attracted to this FL that you can spot at the usual place like Red Car (although I think she only uses the toilet there), Lucifer, and Marine disco. About 25 yrs old, honey complexion with a beautiful exotic face, maybe 160cm, legs, waist and ass to die for. Appears uninterested and (strange detail) I've seen her hanging out with black girls. If anyone is able to give her what she deserves, I'd be delighted to hear about it.

Hi friends,

I am 41/ m / Single / Indian who will be traveling in Pattaya in January End 2017 for about 7 days. Second visit. First visit was in March 2016. I am looking for a sweet, friendly and safe girl (age 20 to 30) who will stay with me for about 72 hours continuously like a wife. I will be staying in a good 3 star hotel with a swimming pool. Where can I find such a girl? My budget around 4500 Baht for 72 hours total or 1500 baht for 24 hours.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Vivek.

[QUOTE=Vivek;1986363]I am 41/ m / Single / Indian who will be traveling in Pattaya in January End 2017 for about 7 days. Second visit. First visit was in March 2016. I am looking for a sweet, friendly and safe girl (age 20 to 30) who will stay with me for about 72 hours continuously like a wife.[/QUOTE]Seriously dude. You have been to Pattaya yet you are asking where to find chicks. You are beyond help.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1986422]Seriously dude. You have been to Pattaya yet you are asking where to find chicks. You are beyond help.[/QUOTE]555 not only that.

He wants her to be with him like a wife for 72 hrs (what's that? A business plan? A metered rental?

When most of us escape to Thailand for at least few days to be away from the wife!

[QUOTE=Vivek;1986363]Hi friends,

I am 41/ m / Single / Indian who will be traveling in Pattaya in January End 2017 for about 7 days. Second visit. First visit was in March 2016. I am looking for a sweet, friendly and safe girl (age 20 to 30) who will stay with me for about 72 hours continuously like a wife. I will be staying in a good 3 star hotel with a swimming pool. Where can I find such a girl? My budget around 4500 Baht for 72 hours total or 1500 baht for 24 hours.
[/QUOTE]Good luck! The only girls you might get for 1500 baht per day will be grannies or skanks. I mean, a Soi 6 girl for one hour will get 1000 baht, and a FL BR girl will be 800 for an hour. No way would any of those girls stay with you for a full 3 days and be your "wife" for a measly 4500 baht, which is about $40 per day! You might get a BR girl to spend the nights with you, but other than the skanks, they can most likely get 2 or 3 clients each day by working just a few hours, so why would they stay with you, working all day, and lose money?

If you want a wife experience, I would think you would need to develop a relationship with a girl in advance. Maybe join Thai Cupid and try to cultivate a relationship with someone before you go over, but be honorable and not tell a girl you are looking for a wife when what you really want is a hooker to stay with you for 3 days for cheap.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1986437]Good luck! The only girls you might get for 1500 baht per day will be grannies or skanks. I mean, a Soi 6 girl for one hour will get 1000 baht, and a FL BR girl will be 800 for an hour. No way would any of those girls stay with you for a full 3 days and be your "wife" for a measly 4500 baht, which is about $40 per day! You might get a BR girl to spend the nights with you, but other than the skanks, they can most likely get 2 or 3 clients each day by working just a few hours, so why would they stay with you, working all day, and lose money?

If you want a wife experience, I would think you would need to develop a relationship with a girl in advance. Maybe join Thai Cupid and try to cultivate a relationship with someone before you go over, but be honorable and not tell a girl you are looking for a wife when what you really want is a hooker to stay with you for 3 days for cheap.[/QUOTE]Possible for the Tall Athletic young blond guy in the Cap America or tall Justin Bieber looks. He states he is 40. So hopefully he looks younger than 40 to pull that off. A lot of guys would want to meet multiple girls in that short time span.

His trip is very short to pull that off and he would've needed to network on his previous trip.

Don't Laugh. I have been in touch with a man in this forum who actually did same thing that I want in the same price about 6 months ago. Though he was little far from Pattaya. In a bar at Lamai beach at ko samui island. I was wondering if it was possible in Pattaya.

I just wanted to share me dilemma here getting Pattaya girls. First let me brief you about myself. (I know boring, please bare with me, thanks).

I'm about (7.5) lookwise M. E. Guy, with the age of 28, reach 5'10", weigh 160 lb, athletic with 6 packs and all the nice features. I'm also very open minded person, fluent in English, well-knowledgeable, and with high-intelligence compared to the average crowd. I find ladies to be wowed with the common knowledge I have (have been asked if I'm Dr, Engineer, etc).

I have been to many places such as USA for bachelor degree, and girls find me attractive (How I know? I get several second looks, and the compliments "handsome, cute. " have been told in several occasions). I also do not have problem getting Thais in M. E. Countries. In fact, every time I enter venue of Thai WGs, I get approached from the best good-looking WGs in that setting.

I also do not have issue with money as I make around $100 K a year, and I'm staying in Pattaya at property priced over 11,000 baht per night. I do not mind paying 6,000 baht for lady that I find attractive.

However, all the ladies that I find them attractive here will not give me the chance to present myself, just because of the fact that I look as Indian / Arab, even though I have light-tanned-whitish skin complexion. What is worse, is getting rejected from some venues here in W. S. Just because of my ethnicity (maybe young look? Even though I tip and spend more cash in these venues than most fellow white people.

In contrary to Thais working in M. E. Countries, over here I get looks from ladies who I won't take them even if I get paid to do it.

If I'm as (Arab / Indian look-like) guy with good credibilities is having a hard time getting ladies here, I wonder what my fellow others are doing. ? What am I missing?

If CA $H is really the X factor here, I would be getting the best good looking girls here in Pattaya. But it's evidently not based on my case.

Some of you might ask why don't I just stick with Thai ladies who are already in ME. Valid point, but I just sometime get bored from the same places and ladies. I want to try new blood, better looking ladies, as well as visiting new places for change.

[QUOTE=Vivek;1986363]Hi friends,

I am 41/ m / Single / Indian who will be traveling in Pattaya in January End 2017 for about 7 days. Second visit. First visit was in March 2016. I am looking for a sweet, friendly and safe girl (age 20 to 30) who will stay with me for about 72 hours continuously like a wife. I will be staying in a good 3 star hotel with a swimming pool. Where can I find such a girl? My budget around 4500 Baht for 72 hours total or 1500 baht for 24 hours.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Vivek.[/QUOTE]Having been earlier once in Pattaya, it is quite odd that you should expect to have a sweet, friendly and safe girl, that too 20 to 30 at paltry 4500 Baht for three days. Do not have unrealistic expectations. You may probably get an older lady above 45 to 50 years that too with lot of search!

[QUOTE=Mombie75;1986268]Being British I have a weather related question. The twice I have been to Pattaya both visits were in March, I am planning to go in October but I see it is the wettest month, anyone been in October offer any insight as to if it is rainy most days then maybe it is best to do another month?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Unlike Britain, it would not be cold when it rains in Thailand. And for another, it does usually rain continuously so that your "activities" are not restricted or hampered! I was in Pattaya year before last and it was quite pleasant.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1985515]I wrote a post about 78 pages back. I want to re-post it with some additional info for the new bros who won't read back further than five pages and assume they have Pattaya figured out.

This is for complete beginners, so older members might think my observations are childish, because older members have been doing it for so long.

I won't give play by plays of my experiences unless it helps solidify my points. As always, older members are always welcome to chime in with their observations.

Another few notes, I'll be in Pattaya Jan. 18th until Feb. 1. I'm excited about this trip since it'll be my longest one to date!

I was 31 years old when I first went in 2015. I am a 6'2" (188 cm) 218 pound (99 kg) white American male. I have abs, an outgoing personality, and can bench more than my weight for reps. I can get girls easily in every country I've visited. I'm not bragging, I only included this info because I want to emphasize that I paid the exact same for the girls as every other member of this board. Looks do not matter! The girls want your wallet, not your abs..[/QUOTE]Good report. Reminds me of my own experience when I visited first!

[QUOTE=SoloPlayer;1986594]However, all the ladies that I find them attractive here will not give me the chance to present myself, just because of the fact that I look as Indian / Arab, even though I have light-tanned-whitish skin complexion. What is worse, is getting rejected from some venues here in W. S. Just because of my ethnicity (maybe young look? Even though I tip and spend more cash in these venues than most fellow white people.

In contrary to Thais working in M. E. Countries, over here I get looks from ladies who I won't take them even if I get paid to do it.

If I'm as (Arab / Indian look-like) guy with good credibilities is having a hard time getting ladies here, I wonder what my fellow others are doing. ? What am I missing?[/QUOTE]I don't think there's anything to do with the look of Indian or Arab. I also look like a middle eastern guy and I've never been denied entry in any place in Pattaya or in Thailand (except one time in Baccara Bangkok when the doorman wanted to let me in but the Farang fat Ass that was sitting in front told him not to do it). I've been received very well and with a big smile in most places I've been to. It's well known that some places deny entry to Indians or black skinned guys and you should just boycott these places and go spend your money elsewhere, it's not as if there was only one place to have fun in Pattaya, right?

As for the good looking girls that are not attracted to you, that can happen to any kind of guy, not only Indians or Arabs. As a matter of fact I know a lot of girls that like Arabs. You look like you're holding yourself in high regard (not saying that its bad) , but maybe you should loosen up a bit and try to up your game with these girls. Or just try Mr Enternational's technique, it seems to be the best technique with girls in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=SoloPlayer;1986594]I also do not have issue with money as I make around $100 K a year, and I'm staying in Pattaya at property priced over 11,000 baht per night. I do not mind paying 6,000 baht for lady that I find attractive.

However, all the ladies that I find them attractive here will not give me the chance to present myself, just because of the fact that I look as Indian / Arab, even though I have light-tanned-whitish skin complexion.[/QUOTE]Seriously, is this April Fool's week or something? You actually think hookers care about you presenting yourself? If I was in your shoes that would be the least of my worries. All you need to do is walk up to the woman you want and speak 3 words. I guarantee she will be right behind you and probably with a friend in tow. The three words? Six-Thousand Baht.

[QUOTE=Mombie75;1986268]Being British I have a weather related question. The twice I have been to Pattaya both visits were in March, I am planning to go in October but I see it is the wettest month, anyone been in October offer any insight as to if it is rainy most days then maybe it is best to do another month?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I was here in May 2016 for about 3 weeks. It does not rain every day, but when it does I think it is intense and can last a very long time. So, I would suggest don't come for just one week and have intense rain wash out say 2 days. I think a min of 2 weeks and ensure you get at least 3-4 numbers of some good girls you like in the first 24-48 hours. And you can shack up on those intense rainy days indoors.

Even now, oftentimes I go to the disco to dance and may not return with anyone since I am really beat and physically spent. But I derive a lot of pleasure from dancing. But, having the phone numbers of girls you can call up during the day, before I go to the disco is a real benefit. So, ask for phone numbers. Here's one way. Buy or offer a drink at the disco, if you like a girl and hand them your phone to add their name and phone number. Call it that moment to make sure it connects and then voila you have one more you can go to when it's raining for example. And make notes in the contact area about the girls key attributes. Tall / short / slim / pretty face / guess on age etc. / shy / popular etc using abbreviations.

Also, rain can bring unexpected luck. One day I woke up with this girl from Insomnia who had to go work and man it was pouring incredibly, incredibly hard. She was like, how am I going to get to work etc. So, I asked what happens if you can't make it because of the rain. She said she'd have to pay 400 baht fine for the day. I said ok, I'll pay it on top of what I'm giving you and she let out such a squeal of joy ( I just bought her a vacation day, plus 2000-3000 cash on top of that, plus all food, drink and some shopping to make it a happy one for her ( they only get 3 days off per month) and then she was with me, off and on, for a total of about 6 days and nights during that trip. ( remember, really honest to goodness, nice girls are difficult to come by, so when they do treat them well ....) So, plan ahead and leverage your invested time and harvest it when you have the advantage.

[QUOTE=SoloPlayer;1986594]
However, all the ladies that I find them attractive here will not give me the chance to present myself, just because of the fact that I look as Indian / Arab, even though I have light-tanned-whitish skin complexion. What is worse, is getting rejected from some venues here in W. S. Just because of my ethnicity (maybe young look? Even though I tip and spend more cash in these venues than most fellow white people.
[/QUOTE]Look there are some racially prejudiced girls, that steer clear of Indians and Arabs, maybe with valid reasons, maybe not. Your light skin is going to help, I think, and if you are free of bad body odours, this is also a big plus.

My suggestions to you would be, make sure you don't dress like an Indian or Arab, dress up a little better than most Farangs, do not smell like an Arab (clean armpits etc. Very frequently and thoroughly and use deodorant), and try not to even have very typical face hair look. Don't wear shorts exposing your very hairy legs, and also do not expose hairy armpits. Do not spend stingy like Indians and Farangs that sit on one water for hours in a bar.

Sometimes I see Indians in groups and they all seem to look like clones of each other for facial hair, haircuts, clothing, etc. The more different you can look, the better.

Also polite behavior and accent when speaking may help your case, I can't be expert, being a Farang, but plenty of Thai girls are okay With Indians that tick the right boxes. Yes I know you are not Indian.

Yeh, I think Mr. Ent is making a bad joke, for a serious subject.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1986805]Seriously, is this April Fool's week or something? You actually think hookers care about you presenting yourself? If I was in your shoes that would be the least of my worries. All you need to do is walk up to the woman you want and speak 3 words. I guarantee she will be right behind you and probably with a friend in tow. The three words? Six-Thousand Baht.[/QUOTE]Gosh, Mr. ENt, that is the biggest bunch of bull I ever heard on this board. ( from the original poster, I mean ).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1986922]Yeh, I think Mr. Ent is making a bad joke, for a serious subject.[/QUOTE]I am in no way joking. What woman do you know in Pattaya that is going to turn down 6000 baht from anyone? If he is willing to pay that like he says he is he will have no problem. He could show up in a v-neck sweater, speedos, and church shoes with no socks if he wanted offering that kind of dosh. If I was willing to give a hooker that kind of money you could not tell me a damn thing. I would really be able to walk in and grab any chick I wanted to at that rate. I have never even heard 6000 out of any Pattaya hooker's mouth other than that What Up ripoff place.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1986805]Seriously, is this April Fool's week or something? You actually think hookers care about you presenting yourself? If I was in your shoes that would be the least of my worries. All you need to do is walk up to the woman you want and speak 3 words. I guarantee she will be right behind you and probably with a friend in tow. The three words? Six-Thousand Baht.[/QUOTE]Post of the year, and we're only two weeks into it.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1986758]
As for the good looking girls that are not attracted to you, that can happen to any kind of guy, not only Indians or Arabs. As a matter of fact I know a lot of girls that like Arabs. .[/QUOTE]I will volunteer and say that I get rejected many times (say 1 out of 6, or 15 pc of the time at Insomnia). But, that is the right of the girl (well, at least in the discos) and I am fine with that. I just say thank you and move on. Maybe takes me 10 minutes tops, to totally forget that. It's a numbers game. Even if you are not under 40, and good looking. And, I am certainly not.

But remember that on any given night, between Ibar / Insomnia /808/ Lucifers alone, there are at least 1000 girls. Say you are only interested in the top 10 percent. That is 100. Say, 2/3 are already with a guy. That leaves about 35 open. Say you ask 3 and they all reject you! Well, 32 are still left. It's just like working sales and marketing (which is something I am glad I did in my 20's), and they were not rejecting me personally, but choosing a competitor company!

It's a numbers game, stupid!

Play the stats, and let go of ego and pride! And, if nothing works, well come back the next night. And try again! You will gain experience and the learn from your own personal feedback loop.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1986805]Seriously, is this April Fool's week or something? You actually think hookers care about you presenting yourself? If I was in your shoes that would be the least of my worries. All you need to do is walk up to the woman you want and speak 3 words. I guarantee she will be right behind you and probably with a friend in tow. The three words? Six-Thousand Baht.[/QUOTE]I thought it was pretty much agreed that they do, and that your appearance and grooming do impact your negotiated price. Personally, I don't go out mongering unless I am well-scrubbed and well-groomed. No, you won't see Eszpresszo walking Beach Road in a tank-top, shorts and sandals acting like a drunk idiot. Obviously, I am doing something right. As far as I can tell, I seem to be getting better service for less than what other people are paying.

But, if you want to pay five times the norm to compensate for a slob approach, then be my guest. I guess some mongers never learned how to date ordinary girls, either.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1986933]I am in no way joking. What woman do you know in Pattaya that is going to turn down 6000 baht from anyone? [/QUOTE]Sure everyone has their price, I guess. However some people just say no without offering a price. Do you really want to take a girl that is really feeling that she is going to tolerate something she hates, just to get an extra few thousand Baht, but probably have a bad attitude to the whole thing?

Personally I am looking for fun girls. Will I keep offering more money to a girl that does not want to go? Nope. It would be damn stupid, I think.

If she is not interested from the start, before talking money, forget it. First thing a Thermae girl said to me, in a not very friendly manner, was "yes I can take Farangs, but I have to charge higher". Do you think I said "I would love to pay you a lot more to tolerate me"? Not really. I was looking for a passionate GFE. LOL Is extra money going to make her passionate? Hardly. Another girl hardly wanted to speak to me but in the end indicated she was waiting for someone. Should I have offered her an extra 3K to try to change her mind? Another absolute stunner I met on the street, but she was rushing to make it to some customer appointment somewhere nearby (not a street walker). She might have been an escort (maybe). Should I have flashed huge cash at her? LOL She looked so good, the price could have been very high. Who knows? Enough money probably always works, but how much? I could have offered her a lot for contact details, but then she could give fake info.

Maybe some guys are just wanting a piece of meat with a hole to fuck, and don't care what is the girl attitude.

[QUOTE=SoloPlayer;1986594]I just wanted to share me dilemma here getting Pattaya girls. First let me brief you about myself. (I know boring, please bare with me, thanks).

I'm about (7.5) lookwise M. E. Guy, with the age of 28, reach 5'10", weigh 160 lb, athletic with 6 packs and all the nice features. I'm also very open minded person, fluent in English, well-knowledgeable, and with high-intelligence compared to the average crowd. I find ladies to be wowed with the common knowledge I have (have been asked if I'm Dr, Engineer, etc).

I have been to many places such as USA for bachelor degree, and girls find me attractive (How I know? I get several second looks, and the compliments "handsome, cute. " have been told in several occasions). I also do not have problem getting Thais in M. E. Countries. In fact, every time I enter venue of Thai WGs, I get approached from the best good-looking WGs in that setting.

I also do not have issue with money as I make around $100 K a year, and I'm staying in Pattaya at property priced over 11,000 baht per night..[/QUOTE]Girls are not really worried about your looks but with the cash you would spend. I have never encountered such a problem being Indian. There have been occasional rejections or turning down for men who are in groups and unruly not necessarily from India or Arab. All that is required is to be polite and approach the girl straight. 6000 Baht is respectable amount in Pattaya and you should not have any problem. However, some girls may have prejudice for certain type of people and this is not restricted to Pattaya.

I could almost feel a disturbance in the monger force when you said 6,000 baht. As if a thousand panties dropped at once and a thousand girls screamed yes.

Seriously though, I have always believed in letting the girl pick me. If I'm attracted to her and she isn't interested in me at all, I let her go. If I'm attracted to her and she's all over me, I pick her without hesitation.

Pattaya is a buyer's market. If you get rejected once, don't give up! I promise you'll find a hundred women willing to say yes.

I think everyone has good points regarding the topic. Here is mines and where I draw the line although I feel people pay what they want to make them happy. When it comes to Indians and I've pointed this out before just because you have the money one shouldn't have to throw it around just for them to accept or like you. I know two door guys who I rent rooms who work down on Walking St. One at a popular place. I've had a beer or two with these guys in the past and the impression I get from the conversation is they generalize and profile. They been told not to allow these type of guys if they dress and look a certain way that would indicate they are Indian. How many of you actually know who you are sitting with in places that they are Japanese, Korean, Chinese, etc, unless you know the language. They have been told to look for certain things like the clothing, the accent, even how they wear their hair. That being said it is really hit and miss with some customers.

Based on what I've learned there has been a number of times because I like to people watch stand outside the walkway from Happy A Go Go, right there is a empty Beer Bar for rent at that location is a number of ladies of the night freelancers. Stand a bit back and watch the Indian and Arabs walk by stopping to talk to them. Look at the style of dress to even the hair style etc. Watch how they interact with the girls and when they walk away watch for the girls facial expression and body language. After a while unless you are real slow you will figure out what is the problem and these problem spread fast right or wrong to the Thais who are in the business. In general, Thai rumor that Indians are cheap and arrogant towards women and this is even more so with Arabs. The word I hear a lot from Thais is they come across as if they were dogs! I wouldn't be surprise since these country seem to view and treat women as second class like property?

On number of occasion with time on my hand I take a guess whether the generalization and profile I development whether they are going to get turn back and majority of the time I'm right. I believe clothing has more to do with it than we care to believe? I've seen Indians in Go Go's and one's not being stopped outside usually dress more western with logo clothes and hat with Nike etc. I firmly believe if a young Indian was to be wearing a Nike High top, pants falling down with his boxer showing and a Nike cap turn to the side have a better chance getting in than a nice clean cut Indian with a expensive silk shirt and slack.

I firmly believe if a Indian nicely dress and smelling got stop pull out a 100 baht and hand it to the door guy you would get in that is surely better than spending 6 thousand baht. I rather once they get in spend it on drinks for a few girls or even some ping pongs. Surely management is going to remember next time that is just my opinion instead of bribing someone to be with you. It might not seem different like overpaying but it is to me at least. To me it is about patients these days that is the name of the game. So people don't like you who cares if I was making a 100 grand a year.

I want to give some back round about myself. I have been a member at ISG for many years. 95% of my reports were about San Jose, San Jose got expensive. Same girls every trip. Only thing holding back from Pattaya was the flight. Now as sick is this is to say. I look forward to it.

I am going to stay at some different type hotels this trip. Sugar sugar go go for 2 nights, a few nights at a sports bar in metro LK. And a few others in metro. Thinking it will be great location and a different type trip.

I will try to report my day to day experiences, hope there are some of you that will be interested in them and will share some feedback.

I have had some luck with thaifriendy on my last trip. Fun nasty girls. I even scored a freebie out of a little bar on Soi I. I put 1000 b under her phone in my hotel room. She either didn't see it or didn't want it. Hot young girl drunk off her ass. Zero tits but 19 and cute.

I also love the Philippines as I am returning in April. Nothing compares to going to high society and having 20 girls to every guy. And I am one of maybe 3 Americans in the place. Amazing.

Hope this flight goes well. I am in JFK now waiting for my 10 am flight.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1986805]Seriously, is this April Fool's week or something? You actually think hookers care about you presenting yourself? If I was in your shoes that would be the least of my worries. All you need to do is walk up to the woman you want and speak 3 words. I guarantee she will be right behind you and probably with a friend in tow. The three words? Six-Thousand Baht.[/QUOTE]Yes, money is the name of the game. However Thai also have the concept of "sanuk", i.e. the work has to be fun. So if for all the right or wrong reasons she'll think it will be a bore, she might well wait for the next opportunity. We say that there are many fish in the sea but that goes for the girls as well: there will always be a next punter around the corner.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1987033]They been told not to allow these type of guys if they dress and look a certain way that would indicate they are Indian. How many of you actually know who you are sitting with in places that they are Japanese, Korean, Chinese, etc, unless you know the language. They have been told to look for certain things like the clothing, the accent, even how they wear their hair. That being said it is really hit and miss with some customers. [/QUOTE]I have been sitting in a bar and the Thai manager said something about the Singaporean Chinese guys walking past. I asked how could she tell they were from Singapore. She said with her experience and they way they dressed, it was really obvious. So yes, experts can pick the Asian nationality very skilfully.

[QUOTE]
In general, Thai rumor that Indians are cheap and arrogant towards women and this is even more so with Arabs. The word I hear a lot from Thais is they come across as if they were dogs! I wouldn't be surprise since these country seem to view and treat women as second class like property?
[/QUOTE]I have been occasionally a little disturbed by groups of Indians partying just a little too arrogantly like they owned the place just a little too close to me in Billboard bar, where I felt uncomfortable in case a drunk one was going to crash into me and the girl on my lap. Would be nice if they sat down like everyone else and stopped moving around with drinks so much so close to me. I guess I am used to guys being still or having a bit of a space from guys jumping around hugging each other, high fiving etc. Equally I get slightly annoyed of with arrogant loud drunk Farangs that won't sit down or seem to be stumbling around, or are too fidgety too close by seemingly too interested in the girl sitting on my lap and making her feel uncomfortable. I don't usually see this from Japanese or Korean guys. The customers should be cool laid back, or if wanting to dance around and have fun, make sure there is space and it's not disturbing anyone else too close, and not blocking the view of the stage, not in a crowded area.

Indians are obviously very welcome in Billboard bar (Bangkok) and form a significant portion of the customers. I guess there must be Pattaya bars similar with plenty of Indians.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1986922]Look there are some racially prejudiced girls, that steer clear of Indians and Arabs, maybe with valid reasons, maybe not. Your light skin is going to help, I think, and if you are free of bad body odours, this is also a big plus.

My suggestions to you would be, make sure you don't dress like an Indian or Arab, dress up a little better than most Farangs, do not smell like an Arab (clean armpits etc. Very frequently and thoroughly and use deodorant), and try not to even have very typical face hair look. Don't wear shorts exposing your very hairy legs, and also do not expose hairy armpits. Do not spend stingy like Indians and Farangs that sit on one water for hours in a bar.

Sometimes I see Indians in groups and they all seem to look like clones of each other for facial hair, haircuts, clothing, etc. The more different you can look, the better.

Also polite behavior and accent when speaking may help your case, I can't be expert, being a Farang, but plenty of Thai girls are okay With Indians that tick the right boxes. Yes I know you are not Indian.

Yeh, I think Mr. Ent is making a bad joke, for a serious subject.[/QUOTE]I only dress in western style, even at work and back in my hometown. All my clothes are casual yet high-end brands, and all my underwear are from CK or higher brands. I also get compliments from ladies "nice shirts. Etc", and when I take lady back to my room they like to wear my clothes and they compliment the fabrics and the smell of them. I don't like smoking, or eating Indian and Thai food as I think they are smelly and cause body odors. In terms of hair, I'm always clean-shaven face, and I have light-medium body hair with no hair in the upper-body parts.

At Mr. Ent.

Just yesterday I offered lady from GoGo bar who was sending me smiles while dancing 6000 baht + 1500 bar fine, and she turned it down. Even the waitress working there was surprised from her response. Which indicate it is not usual of her to turn such an offer down. ? (I'd say she was "7.75" face and body combined). She is from Sexy Airline GoGo bar. If she was in Bahrain I'd easily get her for 6500 to 7500 baht total.

I also have to pay 200 baht (including drink) to enter most GoGo bars, while seeing Westerners sticking their heads inside the curtain to see whether they like it or not, and leave or enter without having to pay fees. I had this one GoGo bar asked me for 2,000 baht fee to get in!!

Anyway, I ended up taking another one "7.5 lookwise" for 5000 + 1650 bar fine and lady drink. We agreed on 2 rounds and she left the next day at 11 am. She was too shy from kissing and I wished I brought it up from the beginning! (Now don't think my mouth smell! I've almost perfect white teeth with zero odor).

It feels nasty when fugly women (specially Japanese women) look at me with frown face thinking I'm looking at them, while I'm actually looking passed them as I'm walking toward that direction. Maybe that's why some people would think "Indian, Arab" look arrogant? Because in response to her reaction, I could make sad-face and be like "sorry I did not mean to look at your 'beautiful face!' because you are "Saint" too good to me, or act arrogant and be like "I really don't give a fuck about you, move on".

Arab / Indian could also be seen as arrogant because they used to get approached by better good looking Thai ladies in other countries such as the ones in M. E.

I don't want to make it long, all in all, this is my first visit to Pattaya of 5 days total, I enjoyed staying in amazing hotel and I enjoyed the activities in the area. But I don't think I will ever come here again looking for lady to spend time with. I have a lot better chances fucking the very good-looking Thai ladies in M. E. With less cost, hassle, disappointment, and uncertainty. Thai ladies who working in Arab country are expecting to be seeing Arab men (not Japanese / Chinese), they also speak better English, and they always act nice and polite since they are away from their country 'vulnerable'.

P. S. I recommend Sensation GoGo bar as they have many ladies and several of them are good looking. The ladies and the staff were nice, and they did not ask me for entrance fee.

Basically, the large number of Indian in general we are talking about the one's that have given all Indians a bad name are very obvious to spot. As noted long and many times you aren't going to find them on this board. The one's on this board are the one's paying for their countrymen bad behavior. I have nothing against overpaying but I read many times here Indian that are going beyond overpaying to be noticed and accepted. I feel if they dress a bit more western and carry a short conversation with them even be. S. And especially tip them a 100, I really think that is what it will take majority of the times. I've on two occasion help a Indian in front of me into Bacarra and Happy because it was obvious and it seem the right thing to do. Indians the one's we are basically talking about that get booted I give slack too because they just haven't been educated in terms of how to act in other people country. The Arabs on the others hand especially the young one's don't seem to give a rat ass for anyone except themselves and seem in general from my experience are some of the most self center arrogant people I have met here in Pattaya.

Not to leave others out because there are bad apple's in every race. The Aussies are pretty rowdy bunch too, they seem to be all juice up on something. Once at Bacarra, two Aussie were sitting next to me next thing I know the juice up guy gets up knocks my drink over and start to give his buddy a head knot one of those sleeper holds you see them give in the MMA.

At Bacarra, never ceased to amaze me the Koreans, just last week it was crowded like always, I got a seat in a booth on the end, I guess the guy didn't like I wasn't in his group. So slowly he started to inch his back into my left shoulder and started to bounce around with the music. I never moved or said a word acted as if I didn't noticed, too old to give anyone the time of day any longer. Maybe he was hoping I get upset or moved but just there to see tits and ass. Finally after a half hour he gets up with him buddy to move to another area, before he leaves he gives me the eye and I just smile. That was enough to give him my point of view. I also seen more than want to count Koreans with their flipflops smoking and picking their toes.

There are all kinds in Pattaya, on both side of the fence don't let it get to you. Stay your course deviate and be reflexible you will have a good time!

[QUOTE=Vivek;1986363]Hi friends,

I am 41/ m / Single / Indian who will be traveling in Pattaya in January End 2017 for about 7 days. Second visit. First visit was in March 2016. I am looking for a sweet, friendly and safe girl (age 20 to 30) who will stay with me for about 72 hours continuously like a wife. I will be staying in a good 3 star hotel with a swimming pool. Where can I find such a girl? My budget around 4500 Baht for 72 hours total or 1500 baht for 24 hours.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Vivek.[/QUOTE]That works out to almost 63 THB per hour. I'm quite sure that hundreds, if not thousands of beautiful, personable, poised, horny Thai ladies will beat a path to the door of your luxurious 3 star hotel to meet you and apply for this once in a lifetime opportunity.

I'm just a bit apprehensive that you'll ruin the market for the rest of us low roller guys when the women meet a high roller like you. Please rethink flashing around all that cash and spoiling all those women.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1986986]Sure everyone has their price, I guess. However some people just say no without offering a price. Do you really want to take a girl that is really feeling that she is going to tolerate something she hates, just to get an extra few thousand Baht, but probably have a bad attitude to the whole thing?

Personally I am looking for fun girls. Will I keep offering more money to a girl that does not want to go? Nope. It would be damn stupid, I think.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. I also think it would be damn stupid to give a chick 6000 baht. But the original poster seemed to just want to be with who he wanted to be with damning to hell any fun factor or chemistry that might be involved. Offering 6000 baht he can definitely be with who he wants to be with is my only point.

1. A couple of nights ago, I met this really cute chick at Pier Disco, early in the am!! She was dressed in a black outfit, clutching 2 long stem roses in her hand, and had a shy but cute smile on her face.

Well, I chat with her and she is 19, and was ready to go with me. 2000 LT. Got to my place and after her shower I discover that her dress and way it was styled hid all her best assets. Her tits were absolutely perfect and her ass, very young and tight for a Thai. Got to be the best I have had the good fortune to meet in a very long, long time in Asia. Pretty face but not super pretty (A 7 at least but not a solid 8). Plus if we're, she'd not have been around at that hour, IMO ( plus her outfit did her zero justice, thankfully for me) .She was great and very open, except she did not want to DFK much! Bummer for me. And her English was practically zero. So, I can't say it was a total GFE experience and since my friend from my last visit is coming down from Isaan in 48-72 hours, I have to pause for now.

2. Talked to girl in halter one piece walking down on Soi 13 as I was returning from my oil massage. She said she does not work and only goes to Insomnia. Great ass totally, but barely 5 ft tall. Which is what I noticed from the rear view as I was walking. A bit older. Maybe 28. Got her number and as we were walking down I asked her if she wanted to come to my place and she asks ST and I say yes. 1,000. But she was a star fish! I sent her packing quick with her 1,000. So, again no repeat.

3. Went to Soi Buakhao again and tried out the Dream Teen massage, purely out of curiosity. A 20 year old from Isaan, who was very chatty and fun. But pretty non existent massage skills. 400 baht for the hour for the supposed oil and ball massage, with additional options ranging from 500-1500 baht additional for the HJ. To full service. I did not go for any of the options, as I discovered she too likes to party in Insomnia. Exchanged numbers in the room and she might come down to the club tonight with another friend of hers who works at the same place. If she does come, I said I'd buy drinks and she agreed to leave with me LT.

After that poor massage skills, needed to rectify that and popped back into my regular massage place ( Paanan) near Areca Lodge and got a really high quality 2 hr oil massage, with foot and head combo for 500, plus 150 tip. So, that saved the day. Heading to Insomnia and maybe Lucifers tonight. ( oh and I got turned down by a 22-24 year old at 6 am the other night at Insomnia, ONLY because I failed her only question LOL. And that was : Why do you wanna go with me ? My answer : I don't know ! ( well it was late and I'd had a lot to drink ). She then said maybe when you know, I will go ! Haha. Now, I doubt that has happened to too many guys at about 550 am at Insomnia !!!

4. Walked down BR last night about 730 pm and did not see any great gals. Only 3, I would consider 6 or 7 and none above. , but decided to pass, as I prefer to build somewhat of a rapport at a club before striking a deal.

I am happy that I came back to Pattaya, disturbed me a little rise in prices, Thailand slowly becomes not attractive Country if we talking about the prices.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1987130]I agree 100%. I also think it would be damn stupid to give a chick 6000 baht. But the original poster seemed to just want to be with who he wanted to be with damning to hell any fun factor or chemistry that might be involved. Offering 6000 baht he can definitely be with who he wants to be with is my only point.[/QUOTE]That's why I said "I could not get the chance to present myself" in the first place, to see whether there is mutual likes could evolved afterward. I would never take lady if I feel she is the tiniest-slightest forced to see me because of the need of money or by her "mamasang". Many of the Thai ladies I see back in M. E. would lower their fees to half the usual and sometimes free after repeated visits. I also hear the phrases "I don't have BF, I feel lonely today" with most of them trying to get the second time. Heck, I sometimes have two Thai "girlfriends" (7.5 at least) who I fuck for free most of the time, and if they ask why I tell them this is "open-relationship" since you are fucking other men don't ask me to be loyal to you myself.

Also, most Thai WGs in M. E. countries, beside the shy ones, would approach me themselves and try to impress me with their looks, English, etc. Which does not happened here. I really miss being liked and wanted by the hot ladies which is confident boost and sometimes it makes the day without ending with any of them in bed. And unlike here, I've almost never had Thai lady less than 7 try to approach me, just because they realize the fact that I would not bother fucking them even if offered free of charge.

These could be few of the reasons why would one thinks Arab / Indian could be seen as arrogant here in Pattaya toward Thai ladies.

I would advice the fellow Indian / Arab not to come to Thailand expecting to be treated by equally by Thai ladies the same way you have back in hometown. Thai ladies here are ignorant about you, and they only worship the Japanese "their highest class", and then Farangs. While you Indian / Arab would come last to none.

As a M. E. I would rather go to Dubai or Bahrain to fuck Thai ladies than coming here. Because back there I would be treated equally as the Japanese people treated here, if not even better due to their 'vulnerability of living abroad'.

I found a cool club in Pattaya. Located Phra Tam Nak Soi 5. From the street in a small alley in the right side there will be the New Nordic Group-Trend Village, after these buildings is a house without any advertising, there is a gentleman club, is usually parked a lot of motorcycles in front and behind the gate. This is a club for the day.

To the point. Short sex 1000 B. Buffet for 350 B- very good meal. Bar prices normal, always about 30 girls, nice girls, I recommend a nice place, not everyone knows! Enjoy!

You visited Kinnaree place. Well documented. Glad you had a good time there. Great alternative to soi 6 for afternoon fun.

[QUOTE=SoloPlayer;1987222]As a M. E. I would rather go to Dubai or Bahrain to fuck Thai ladies than coming here. Because back there I would be treated equally as the Japanese people treated here, if not even better due to their 'vulnerability of living abroad'.[/QUOTE]The funny thing is that they are the same Thai ladies! I am sure I am not the only one who knows a few Thai women that have gone over to work in Dubai or Bahrain. I posted a report last year of a girl I met that told me how the entire operation works. As soon as they get there they have to work off the 100,000 baht or so debt that they incurred to get there. After that they start earning money that they can send home.

[QUOTE=SoloPlayer;1986594]I just wanted to share me dilemma here getting Pattaya girls. First let me brief you about myself. (I know boring, please bare with me, thanks).

I have been to many places such as USA for bachelor degree, and girls find me attractive (How I know? I get several second looks, and the compliments "handsome, cute. " have been told in several occasions). I also do not have problem getting Thais in M. E. Countries. In fact, every time I enter venue of Thai WGs, I get approached from the best good-looking WGs in that setting..[/QUOTE]Well whatever you have said is the hard truth of Pattaya but you don't have to take it seriously and stop having fun because there are Thai lady's (maybe I will PM some contacts) who actually prefer Indians / Arabs. Both of different reasons but I won't get into that.

I was in Pattaya last year and went through the same rejection but ended up with one of the best available in Insomnia every night, three nights. I took somebody that I really wanted without any compromise.

The secret is not to take the rejections personal and have patience, it's like this while you are being rejected, remember there are girls approaching / smiling at you too and you are rejecting them. So I think it's fair!!

Also where did the 6000 Bhat price come from?? A 8 to 10 in Pattaya shouldn't be between 2 k to 3 k.

Also the rejection and then the hunting game in Pattaya makes this whole thing interesting and boosts your ego when you take home the girl that you want after all the rejections. If don't like this then walk into one of the go go bars, pay and take home.

You need to relax a bit and play the hunter in Insomnia or 8008 and see the fun. You are not alone in the rejection list, that's the hard truth of Pattaya.

[QUOTE=SoloPlayer;1987222]That's why I said "I could not get the chance to present myself" in the first place, to see whether there is mutual likes could evolved afterward. I would never take lady if I feel she is the tiniest-slightest forced to see me because of the need of money or by her "mamasang". Many of the Thai ladies I see back in M. E. would lower their fees to half the usual and sometimes free after repeated visits. I also hear the phrases "I don't have BF, I feel lonely today" with most of them trying to get the second time. Heck, I sometimes have two Thai "girlfriends" (7.5 at least) who I fuck for free most of the time, and if they ask why I tell them this is "open-relationship" since you are fucking other men don't ask me to be loyal to you myself.

Also, most Thai WGs in M. E. countries, beside the shy ones, would approach me themselves and try to impress me with their looks, English, etc. Which does not happened here. I really miss being liked and wanted by the hot ladies which is confident boost and sometimes it makes the day without ending with any of them in bed. And unlike here, I've almost never had Thai lady less than 7 try to approach me, just because they realize the fact that I would not bother fucking them even if offered free of charge.

These could be few of the reasons why would one thinks Arab / Indian could be seen as arrogant here in Pattaya toward Thai ladies.

I would advice the fellow Indian / Arab not to come to Thailand expecting to be treated by equally by Thai ladies the same way you have back in hometown. Thai ladies here are ignorant about you, and they only worship the Japanese "their highest class", and then Farangs. While you Indian / Arab would come last to none.

As a M. E. I would rather go to Dubai or Bahrain to fuck Thai ladies than coming here. Because back there I would be treated equally as the Japanese people treated here, if not even better due to their 'vulnerability of living abroad'.[/QUOTE]In reading your report sorry to hear you so jaded. With all the stuff you noted about yourself I can understand why you wouldn't want to come back to Thailand, I wonder aside from the food, elephants, temples, why you even bother with the ladies here knowing how much you got going.

Some of the information I got from Thai girls about Indians and Arab are from two girls who have worked in Japan, Korean, Maylasia, Bahrain said of all the places was Bahrain was the worse and where their negative comments stem. One even took some of her personal money she was making and paid off her debt early just so she could come home.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1986995]I could almost feel a disturbance in the monger force when you said 6,000 baht. As if a thousand panties dropped at once and a thousand girls screamed yes...[/QUOTE]That is funny! I can hear the sound of the 1,000 panties dropping all at once amid screaming girls. Just hilarious!

Wow, with 6,000 bahts on hand and the man cannot get laid, sad, sad.

[QUOTE=SoloPlayer;1987222]And unlike here, I've almost never had Thai lady less than 7 try to approach me, just because they realize the fact that I would not bother fucking them even if offered free of charge.

These could be few of the reasons why would one thinks Arab / Indian could be seen as arrogant here in Pattaya toward Thai ladies.

I would advice the fellow Indian / Arab not to come to Thailand expecting to be treated by equally by Thai ladies the same way you have back in hometown. Thai ladies here are ignorant about you, and they only worship the Japanese "their highest class", and then Farangs. While you Indian / Arab would come last to none.

As a M. E. I would rather go to Dubai or Bahrain to fuck Thai ladies than coming here. Because back there I would be treated equally as the Japanese people treated here, if not even better due to their 'vulnerability of living abroad'.[/QUOTE]Took me a while to work out what M. E. was. Probably not a well recognised abbreviation here. Same as PI is not very universal, used by others.

Yes I can see why they might be seen as arrogant. You are in paradise already with two regular free 7. 5 Giks (not true girlfriends), and looked on favourably by all the Thai hookers.

So I must be in the wrong countries, I should be going to Dubai. Girls quickly lowering the fee to 50% or free, unbelievable. Must be so hard for girls to get a decent lay in these countries.

I know one Thai girl who somehow agreed to go to work in Dubai on a contract with a friend at a "restaurant" (ha ha), despite all her friends telling her not to go under any circumstances. She eventually escaped back to Thailand after a horrific experience, I didn't even want to know the full details (respecting her privacy). I remember how bad we felt for her when she got to ring to my GF's brother tearfully from over there. She had never been in P4P in Thailand. However she did have a Thai boyfriend (bisexual?) who was also the boyfriend of a rich Farang man. So a weird situation.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1987040]Yes, money is the name of the game. However Thai also have the concept of "sanuk", i.e. the work has to be fun. So if for all the right or wrong reasons she'll think it will be a bore, she might well wait for the next opportunity. We say that there are many fish in the sea but that goes for the girls as well: there will always be a next punter around the corner.[/QUOTE]I hope people reflect on this and try understand why this is the case all over the world. As the saying goes: men are from Mars. Women are from Venus ".

Put simply, women have a higher level of emotions and feelings than men. P4 P girls are no exception.

And the better their looks, figure, age etc. The more are the chances that they can have their cake and eat it too.

The key is to really connect with them, IF you want a real GFE. My 2 cents (but nothing new) and YMMV. For this you Have to dress well, have some baseline looks or some other part of a ' game' that they find interesting.

I think their daily interactions in the virtual world such as in Facebook and other social media have made even the P4 P girls feel very confident (a few photos and hundreds of likes and tons of comments from both their thai and Farang friends).

Anyone who does not truly appreciate the sociological implications of that will not fare well in today's P4 P arena. I would suggest based on empirical evidence that 3 out 4 men that I see simply don't. For those men BR, Soi 6, the gentlemans clubs like Kinnaree are the best options. Go go girls and girls in discos (7. 5 and above) are generally speaking more difficult to get.

Any good places (clubs / pubs) with some private space to have some good time time local GF in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=NickMehta;1985540]Spent 3 days in Pattaya with a few friends...[/QUOTE]Amari has beautiful swimming pools, that I decided to visit on Saturday morning. It was over run by families with kids, a few couples, and very very few single dudes. I presume that all single dudes were sleeping away a night of debauchery But, of course, you don't want to hear about me swimming. So here's the short tale about the day we ran into the Russians!

Still pretty raw behind the ears, we started the evening with a trip to soapy massage places. Rasputin was all over the web, and became our first destination for the evening. As one walks in, a bevy of beautiful bombshells is seated close to the door. The four of us couldn't look away, even as we continued to walk deeper into the club. The dozen or so women had us by our balls. We then realized that there were more women, 40 or so, up ahead in another fish bowl configuration. Mama-san walks escorts us to our seats and offers up the usual deal. Reds for 2 k, blues for 2.5 k and whites for 3 k. Hesitatingly we inquire about the gals up by the door, and are politely informed that the "VIP" girls are 6 k (I later heard that the VIP gals have the right to refuse a customer. But could be grapevine). Mama-san clearly didn't expect us to upgrade ourselves, and pointed out to some cute women in the regular crowd. Didn't work; none of us could forget the visual treat, and we decided to get out. We shuffled our way out, grabbing another eyeful as we passed some of the the hottest Thai women.

As we walked away, we also rued our budget limitations, and decided to get drunk instead Found a beer bar on the street, and grabbed a handful. Got propositioned at the bar (which was nice), but it was still early. Anyway, we moved on, and some time later, found ourselves in Honey 2.

I liked the setup at Honey 2. The seats are closer to the girls, giving one a clearer view. It wasn't oppressively stuffy, as some of the others had been. And, the girls were cute and flirtatious. Even before I sat down, many were smiling and waving out. I had a tough time making a choice, but finally selected a smiling beauty (#452); who I later learnt was Pom. Would've been around 25-27, not very tall, but shapely with a nice set of tits. The flirtation continued as we paid our dues at the counter, and Pom decided that the elevator was a great place for a huge hug! I already liked her.

If Ann's massage (from my previous post) was good, Pom's was heavenly! Her touch was soft and caressing, while also having a lot of friction at the same time. At one stage, she was wrapped around me, legs splayed over my thighs, tits on my chest, and then she shrugged her way down, and back up. Just wonderful! I was afraid she'd bruise her pussy before I had a chance to get in there.

Off to the bed, and she's starting with a CBJ that's fantastic. Now, I prefer BBBJ, and can never cum with a cover, but she's sensational, and I'm nearly there. Quickly switch to WOT, and she's working her ass off. But, a few minutes I can see that she's tiring and have her move into doggy. I figured I'll have control of pace here; but she's ramming back into me as hard as she can. She wants to please!

Unfortunately, I'm into love making more than hardcore action, and this aggression is not helping. I pull out, while she's still on her knees. Pom pulls off the condom and peeks in to find no cum, then looks at me with curiosity. Now, her English is marginal at best, and there's no way I can tell her that I want to go slower. Finally, she mimes and says "Finish" rolling her lips in an O, to indicate that she wants me to cum. We try again, and she gives a great HJ too. But, nada.

As we wrap up, I can tell that she's upset. She's a real pleaser, and wants a happy customer. As we walk out, I tip her 200 and she's genuinely surprised. Folds her hands in a namaste and thanks me. I'd love to go back to see Pom. After I got back to the lobby, discovered that we'd run over the allotted time, by 10 minutes. I hope Pom doesn't get into trouble on my account.

Off to WS later in the night, and it's abuzz again. We traverse the length of WS and generally having a good time. Now, everyone knows the affinity Indians have towards fair skin. And, when a cute Russian chick waves out ear Galaxy club, one dude gravitated towards her. The promise is made (no entry charges, many gals inside), a deal is struck (only one LD for her), and we're inside. It's a smallish place; a couple of poles with sofas around each roughly in a square. Music is good. But everything goes downhill from there. A loud and boisterous Kira walks over and dominates the proceedings for the next few minutes. She's fairly good at Hindi, and befriends us all too quickly, and has us eating out of her palm. Then, she wiggles her way into ordering 2 LDs, which turn out to be be-52 flambes, priced at 450 baht a pop! Combined with all the other alcohol we ordered, we paid 1800 baht a few minutes in Galaxy Club! Meanwhile, another lady walks over and starts gyrating into our faces, apparently dancing to the music. It was interesting; she was belly dancing to pop music. We watched for a couple of minutes, when Kira pointed out that we're to tip the dancing lady. In went a 100, and out went the lady! That's all you get folks! Of course, the B-52's were long gone, and Kira asks for round two! I'm up on my feet and shoving everyone out, we've fallen for the oldest trick here. Unbelievably, I've to tip the doorman another 100 to let us out. The easiest way to get rid of a couple of grand in a few minutes, is to visit Galaxy. Never again!

Of course, we're laughing at ourselves once we're out. We learnt our lesson. Next time, go to Ukraine for the European chicks.

We closed off the night with a legit Thai massage at Aree, which is on BR near WS. Our exhausted limbs thanked us for a very good and relaxing massage. Day 3 to follow!

Cheerz!

I have the pussy for a whole week, she may not look like Miss Thailand but she does a really good job.

You can find the pussy [URL]http://www.thai-sexy-holiday.com/hostesses/lee/[/URL] or as not working there, she is freelancer in the Ibar and other discotheques in the area of walking street.

[QUOTE=NickMehta;1987508]...Now, everyone knows the affinity Indians have towards fair skin. And, when a cute Russian chick waves out ear Galaxy club, one dude gravitated towards her. The promise is made (no entry charges, many gals inside), a deal is struck (only one LD for her), and we're inside... Unbelievably, I've to tip the doorman another 100 to let us out. The easiest way to get rid of a couple of grand in a few minutes, is to visit Galaxy. Never again!

Of course, we're laughing at ourselves once we're out. We learnt our lesson. Next time, go to Ukraine for the European chicks.[/QUOTE]Haha, very funny but a good report. Your experience at Galaxy club is what we usually refer to as the price of tuition. That's how we learn, from our mistakes and especially when we pay dearly. BTW, if you like Russian chicks, go to the German FKKs, plenty of them and cheaper, at 50 Euros per session. Plenty of Indians there too, even some Indian providers can be found there. But the service from Russian chicks is the same all over the world, chitty. I learned the hard way too.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1987651]. BTW, if you like Russian chicks, go to the German FKKs, plenty of them and cheaper, at 50 Euros per session. [/QUOTE]Which FKK clubs currently have plenty of Russians? I have seen very few Russians since 2012.

Thanks for the write up on galaxy. Always wondered specifically where the price gauging was at that place.

[QUOTE=MarioHen;1987609]You can find the pussy [URL]http://www.thai-sexy-holiday.com/hostesses/lee/[/URL] or as not working there, she is freelancer in the Ibar and other discotheques in the area of walking street.[/QUOTE]Why you post often this link in your messages? Marketing? Advertising? Are you an associate there?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1987672]Which FKK clubs currently have plenty of Russians? I have seen very few Russians since 2012.[/QUOTE]Agree. Met very few Russians in FKKs and other clubs in Germany since 2009. And I mean real Russian, not a fake one from Romania. So for Russians go to Russia! LOL.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1987699]Why you post often this link in your messages? Marketing? Advertising? Are you an associate there?[/QUOTE]I'm always on vacation in Pattaya with Thai Sexy, and this is the link to the page where is this pussy what I have now. Maybe someone will want to find her, is hot!

Why is the question, what happened?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1987699]Why you post often this link in your messages? Marketing? Advertising? Are you an associate there?[/QUOTE]Quite clearly a spam.

[QUOTE=Mutedf8;1987465]Any good places (clubs / pubs) with some private space to have some good time time local GF in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]There should be some, even if the military coup killed all the night entertainment. Where to find girls, sex and entertainment is a secret that is revealed in RTFF.

It seems some things never change. Galaxy was a ripoff a few years ago (see my earlier post) as it is now. It is amazing to see Indians getting sucked into Galaxy because of the "white" skin addiction.

[QUOTE=NickMehta;1987508]Amari has beautiful swimming pools, that I decided to visit on Saturday morning. It was over run by families with kids, a few couples, and very very few single dudes. I presume that all single dudes were sleeping away a night of debauchery But, of course, you don't want to hear about me swimming. So here's the short tale about the day we ran into the Russians!

Still pretty raw behind the ears, we started the evening with a trip to soapy massage places. Rasputin was all over the web, and became our first destination for the evening. As one walks in, a bevy of beautiful bombshells is seated close to the door. The four of us couldn't look away, even as we continued to walk deeper into the club. The dozen or so women had us by our balls. We then realized that there were more women, 40 or so, up ahead in another fish bowl configuration. Mama-san walks escorts us to our seats and offers up the usual deal. Reds for 2 k, blues for 2.5 k and whites for 3 k. Hesitatingly we inquire about the gals up by the door, and are politely informed that the "VIP" girls are 6 k (I later heard that the VIP gals have the right to refuse a customer. But could be grapevine). Mama-san clearly didn't expect us to upgrade ourselves, and pointed out to some cute women in the regular crowd. Didn't work; none of us could forget the visual treat, and we decided to get out. We shuffled our way out, grabbing another eyeful as we passed some of the the hottest Thai women.

As we walked away, we also rued our budget limitations, and decided to get drunk instead Found a beer bar on the street, and grabbed a handful. Got propositioned at the bar (which was nice), but it was still early. Anyway, we moved on, and some time later, found ourselves in Honey 2..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mombie75;1986268]Being British I have a weather related question. The twice I have been to Pattaya both visits were in March, I am planning to go in October but I see it is the wettest month, anyone been in October offer any insight as to if it is rainy most days then maybe it is best to do another month?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]About the rain, it rains about every day if you go in Oct. That's the worst time weather-wise, but it can often be a misty rain at that time, or it can be straight up street flooding. The rain doesn't bother me that much because I can move between the venues on walking street pretty easily in the mist and with partial roof cover.

There is no positive to going in October though. Even if you go in October, you can still have a hard time getting the hottest stunners (as they are busy with other mongers either in bar or ST / LT) so it's not like October is open season for any stunner you want. When I was there in Oct (I live in Bangkok), my Pattaya regular was booked for an entire week LT, and when I went go go hopping on Friday, every place was occupied by punters, all themselves occupying the time of the hottest girls there exclusively. It was like the Pattaya regulars had dips on all the hot pussy Friday LOL. It took me some time, but I finally found a really petite and hot spinner at Iron Bar and did some pretty memorable FS with her, quite memorable that one. But it took 3 hours of go go hopping to just find that one girl. Yikes.

I think October might even be a bad month to go (as a punter) as it's possible there are less working girls available, but still plenty of vying punters? Perhaps Sept is good because it's still low season, and the girls may not have gone off to their home yet to avoid the Pattaya / Bangkok flooding?

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1986425]555 not only that.

He wants her to be with him like a wife for 72 hrs (what's that? A business plan? A metered rental?

When most of us escape to Thailand for at least few days to be away from the wife![/QUOTE]Maybe you guys could stop bragging about how awesome your own life is, and just help the guy?

[QUOTE=Mombie75;1986268]Being British I have a weather related question. The twice I have been to Pattaya both visits were in March, I am planning to go in October but I see it is the wettest month, anyone been in October offer any insight as to if it is rainy most days then maybe it is best to do another month?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hi my friend,

I've been looking for some information about it. Basically, December to March are the best months to go to Thailand. Though as with any tropical destination, a short and ridiculously torrential burst of rain is unpredictably possible, even on the sunniest of days. The Thai islands in the Gulf of Thailand. Koh Samui, Koh Phangan, Koh Tao. Tend to get less rain than the rest of the country (even in rainy season), and are at their best from the end of January until mid March. January is the freshest month. Great for after the Christmas and NYE party chaos. February is the driest month, one of the sunniest, and the heat still bearable; and March is sunny and dry, too.

The intense but usually brief downpours between June and October make this low season for tourists (and breeding season for mosquitoes). Rarely, though, does it rain all day or night. Temperatures fluctuate in the low 30's during the day; and between 25-27 degrees Celsius at night. Still a good time to come as the bars and beaches are less crowded, hotel rates lower and there's still lots of tenacious sunshine.

[QUOTE=MarioHen;1987609]I have the pussy for a whole week, she may not look like Miss Thailand but she does a really good job.

You can find the pussy [URL]http://www.thai-sexy-holiday.com/hostesses/lee/[/URL] or as not working there, she is freelancer in the Ibar and other discotheques in the area of walking street.[/QUOTE]Fairly attractive, no doubt. Nice find.

Trip Report 2017, Day 1.

I'm writing this report from the Hooters on Beach Road and I'm a little hungover, so I apologize for any typos. I got really drunk last night and it was great! I flew into Bangkok yesterday at 14:30. Immigration was as slow as usual, which meant an hour of lines and bag searching. After finding my bag, I ventured out to find the pre-arranged ride hadn't bothered to pick me up. I didn't much too much as I've studied the forum enough to know alternative methods. I went down in the bottom of BKK and found a bus willing to go for 120 baht. It leaves every hour. I was going to take it but decided to spend big instead and get a taxi. 1,500 baht and 90 minutes later, I was in Pattaya.

I'm currently staying at the Jasmine Hotel on Soi BJ which is adjacent to Walking Street. It costs 750 a night, is surprisingly quiet, and is right in the middle of the action. If you can't find a place, you could give Jasmine a try, I like it.

After a quick shower, I headed out to get dinner and some items. I ended up at the Beer Garden next to W. S. And had the Pad Kapraw. It was 160 baht and not nearly as good as what you can get from a street vendor for 50 baht. People are definitely paying for the atmosphere at the Beer Garden, but that alone might make me return. I ate it with a big smile on my face though because I was happy to be back in Pattaya!

After dinner, I stopped by a 7/11 and bought condoms, lube, RedBull, and snacks to help with the hangover I knew I'the get.

Finally, I was ready to start drinking! I hit a few bars on Walking Street and had a few beers while I waited for the gogo's to open. I met a nice Canadian bloke who told me about restoring cars. He has a Thai ex-wife, so I got to hear some stories of just how crazy they can get. Those stories make me proud of my bachelor lifestyle.

It appears that Walking Street is going through an identity crisis. Buildings are being torn up and replaced, shops are being closed, and entire spaces are left decaying. I think Walking Street is try to do what Las Vegas did in the late 90's and transform into fun for the whole family. It didn't work for Vegas, after a few years, it went back to being "Sin City" and I believe Walking Street will get back to its roots eventually. What really surprised me were the Chinese tour groups walking through before it was even dark. What is there worth seeing on Walking Street during the day? I don't know, but it seems like Chinese groups are taking it over 24/7.

The gogo's opened and I was the first customer in several. The nudity in the WS area is way down this year. Most of the smaller gogo's I visited only had two naked girls dancing while the rest wore clothes. The naked ones acted more like coyotes than the clothed one. I tried to barfine a hot one and she told me she wasn't allowed to leave. She immediately begged to meet me after closing though which I found odd. I bought her a lady drink and she was only allowed to sit with me for one song. The mamasan was working the two nude ones while basically ignoring the rest. This happened in a few of the places I visited. I don't really know what that's about, but it didn't bother me too much. The Windmill is still as good as I remember. I saw plenty of nudity there. Most experienced mongers avoid WS anyways, so I guess they won't miss much. I'll be checking LK Metro tomorrow so I'll let you know if the raunchiness has just been moved or if it's gone for a while.

I drank quickly at each gogo and really felt like a kid in a candy store. At the third or fourth stop, I popped a Cialis. Last year, I tried some I bought in Thailand and wasn't impressed. My friend gave me a dozen he had prescribed in America. The difference was night and day. The Thai ones weren't special, but the prescription ones from USA made me harder than a hammer. I could have used it like a battering ram. I don't know if I got fakes last year, or the new ones are just a higher dosage but I do know the ones I have now are powerful. I was ready to break down doors with my member last night. I don't know if I'll take anymore.

I drank until I was good and drunk then I hit Beach Road. The freelancers are still everywhere. I picked one with absolutely no conversation beforehand. I walked up to her, asked how much, accepted the opening offer of 1,000, and headed back to the hotel. She talked the entire way back to the hotel, I just smiled and nodded. I don't remember what all she talked about because I was drunk, but she acted sweet and kind.

Part 2.

I started writing this at Hooters; I ate some good wings and decided to check out the Beer Garden again. There is construction going on at the beer bars adjacent to the Beer Garden, so I get to listen to that mixed in with the old music pumped through the cheap speaker over my head.

My night took a turn for the confusing once I got back to the hotel. She took a quick shower then so did I. When she saw my Cialis infused meat hammer, so cringed and claimed I might be too big. Even the condoms I bought turned out to be too small. I had problems getting one on. After it was sufficiently shrink wrapped and lubed up, I gently entered the FL. I made sure to take it easy because I didn't want to hurt her. After a few slow minutes, the lube and motions made her enjoy the action. We stayed in missionary pretty much the entire time though. Here's where the weird part starts. I can usually last a good long time during sex; however, that Cialis and alcohol cocktail through my chemistry for a spin.

I thought I might finish then the feeling went away. I would go numb for a few seconds then it would come back like I was about to finish again. This happened a few times. I don't feel like I ever finished, but when I pulled out, I had shot. I literally had an orgasm without a climax. I don't know how it happened, and it's never happened to me before. She was soaking wet when we were through, so I knew I had hit a few good spots on her too. I tossed the rubber and sent her on her way. She was happy and I suppose I would have been to if I hadn't been so confused by the whole scene. I wouldn't repeat with her so I didn't bother to remember her name. It was around 1:00 am When I closed the door behind the happy FL. I dropped onto my bed and passed out.

I woke up at 5:30 with another raging erection. It felt like it was trying to slap the ceiling! I was already starting to feel the hangover, but my buddy demanded my attention more than the headache. I rolled out of bed and got on Wechat. Within 15 minutes, I had a girl in my room. I didn't try for sex with her and opted for a BJ instead. She was happy to oblige. I lay back on the bed and received a first class BBBJ. I lasted for almost four minutes before I released maybe the most porn star orgasm I've ever had. I shot rope after rope in her mouth, on her face, on her tits. I might have even got some on the wall behind me. It was insane! I'm still trying to make sense of the whole evening.

I'm about to head to Soi 6 and see if there is anything worth buying. I'll let you know how that turns out!

One last thing, I saw some Chinese men last night on Walking Street and they had the saddest looks on their faces. They saw all those girls for sale and they had to act uninterested because their family was with them. The looks of pure anguish on their faces gave me a seriously good laugh.

That's all for now, I'll update you all again tomorrow!

Is it safe? Or scam? Have you or anybody tried it before?

[QUOTE=MarioHen;1987609]I have the pussy for a whole week, she may not look like Miss Thailand but she does a really good job.

You can find the pussy [URL]http://www.thai-sexy-holiday.com/hostesses/lee/[/URL] or as not working there, she is freelancer in the Ibar and other discotheques in the area of walking street.[/QUOTE]

Trip report 2017, Day 2.

I'm sitting at the Starbucks on Beach Road writing this report. I got really drunk again yesterday and had another great time!

After finishing my report yesterday, I went to Soi 6 and started day drinking. I ended up spending a lot of money on lady drinks and alcohol. Pattaya is a place where you can have fun with as little as 2,000 baht, but you could spend ten times that much at any given moment. I personally wasted about 4,000 baht just on drinks yesterday. I don't regret it, but I know I should pay more attention for the rest of the trip. The worst part is I didn't sleep with any of the girls I bought drinks for, LOL.

Soi 6 has more stunners this year than it did last year. I found a few spinners who had me drooling, but I was having too much fun. I couldn't stop partying long enough to have sex. Once again, I don't regret it, but I need to pay better attention for the rest of the trip.

After drinking my weight in San Miguel Light, I slowly made my way back towards my hotel adjacent to WS. I stopped at several Pattaya land marks on the way: the 5 star-bar, Club Nevada, and a few others. It was really cool seeing the old school pictures and meeting a gogo dancer who has been doing it since the early 90's. She literally had been dancing since Desert Storm. She was old and her skin hung from her body like old leather, yet she was the most entertaining girl I've met on this trip.

I finally got back to WS around 7:00 and prepared to hit some more gogo's. I absolutely love gogo's! I went into Baccara again last night. Every time I go in there, I promise it'll be my last. The girls are beautiful, but they blatantly ignore you unless you're Asian. Thankfully, Windmill and the others aren't like that.

After I reached my limit on beer, I walked out to Beach Road again and picked out a cute little girl who made me very happy. I walked by and she immediately jumped out as the best of the bunch. I thought she was a little short for me but I'the try her anyways. If you remember my last report, you'll know that Cialis gave me problems, so.

Last night I tried those Kamagra jelly packets. I like those a lot better. I was hard, but I wasn't a hammer like before.

What really struck me was when we got back to the room. I thought she was short before we talked, but when we got back to the room, she took off her six-inch heels. She was the shortest girl I've ever been with. She barely reached my chest. She has two children and the marks to prove it, so I know she's over 18. She has the hips of woman, but the height of a small blow up doll. Judging by her face and hips, I'the bet she was around 25.

Sadly, she wanted to take a shower on her own. That's the second time it's happened. Last year, all the girls wanted to take a shower together, this year they all want separate. Weird luck, I guess.

She also gave me the first CBJ I've ever had in Pattaya. Her oral skills weren't very good, so I didn't let her work for long. She climbed on top and gave a spirited ride until she was really wet then she leaned forward and begged me to fuck her. I rolled her over and worked from missionary for a few minutes before pulling her to edge of the bed and stood up. She stayed on her back while I stood at the edge. Her legs were up in the air, but they were so short my head was above her feet, LOL. I made sure not to go all the way in because I knew that might split her tiny frame in two. She was really tight too. I moved her back onto the bed after a few minutes than went back into missionary. I could feel her getting wetter and wetter. Then she started shaking in a weird way. It was like Michael J. Fox riding a vibrator shaking. She stopped fake moaning and started breathing in short rhythmic bursts. She dug her nails into my back and moved her hips to better position my dick. I saw her tense up and have a strong orgasm. She left a football sized wet mark on my sheets too. I wanted to keep going but I could tell she was done. Her fake moans were hot, but her real orgasm wasn't so sexy; funny how that works. We relaxed on my bed and she begged me for my line or phone number. I don't have either, so I had nothing to give. She begged me to see her again tonight for LT, but I doubt I will. She made me feel like a king, but there are too many fish in the sea and she didn't finish me. Instead, I finished her.

She said LT is 2,500. I don't know if that's a good deal or not since I only do ST, but you guys can use that number for future reference. I paid her 1,000 for ST and she was happy to have it. I haven't tried to negotiate with the BR girls, but it seems like the two I've had were quite happy with 1,000. I feel like I could have talked either down to 800, but bargaining is a huge turn off for me.

After she left, I was still raging hard so I called up the girl from the night before and had her come over and give me another amazing BBBJ. I came again, but it wasn't near as powerful as the night before. I paid her and sent her on her way. The two girls, one-cum arrangement has to stop; I'm going to find a real winner today and go until I explode. I've always wanted to try a BJ bar, so I might do that today. I haven't decided. My feet are also hurting from the massive amount of walking I've been doing, so I'm going to get a foot massage today. Those always make me really happy.

I also need to go to LK Metro. It seems like my to-do list isn't progressing as fast as I thought it would, but I'm on holiday so I don't want to rush anything.

That's all for now; if you want to meet up, get a membership and send me a message. I'll happily tour Pattaya with my fellow forum friends.

I'm off now to see what girls I can find, wish me luck!

Trip Report 2017, Day 3.

I'm writing this report from the same Starbucks as yesterday. Truthfully, I'm too hungover to look for a new place. I am in a lot of pain right now. The last few days, I've fought off the hangover with caffeine and enthusiasm. But it's finally broken me. I'll be taking a break from alcohol and rowdy adventures today so tomorrow's report will be a little boring, sorry.

After finishing my report yesterday, I cruised around on baht buses and enjoyed the scenery. I had intended to get a foot massage but I couldn't find any girls who appealed to me. I'm sure the older ladies give the best foot massages, but I can't bring myself to have anything but a stunner touch me.

After wandering around aimlessly, I made my way back to Soi 6. Things got interesting there. I walked by a bar and saw two beautiful girls. They both demanded my attention as they drew me into their bar. Once inside, they had a bit of an argument. I know I'm not sexy enough to be the cause, so it must have been something else that set it off. It got heated enough that the mamasan had to yell at both of them. I was a little uncomfortable watching the whole thing, but I stuck around to finish my beer.

One of them stomped away, and the other one became overly loving towards me. She was all over me like a drunken prom date. She started kissing on my neck and grabbing my package. It really turned me on and made me opt for a ST. Once we showered and made our way to the bed, she started kissing my neck more aggressively and she kept begging me to fuck her. I didn't argue! I rolled on a condom and went to town. We hit plenty of positions and she was spirited through the whole encounter. After we both finished, we showered again and went back downstairs.

Once downstairs, the mamasan and the other girls started cheering and going crazy. They all pointed at my neck. It turns out; the girl had left huge marks on my neck. Right now, my neck looks like Dracula's wet dream! I don't know why she did it, other than maybe to mark her territory. The girl she had been arguing with was definitely not pleased. I should probably be angry about it but the story kind of makes the inconvenience worth it. So, if you see a tall, white, American in his 30's with huge bite marks on his neck, that's me. Feel free to say Hi!

After I left the bar, every girl I passed on Soi 6 pointed at my neck and did their usual "ooooooii" sound. On my stroll back towards the hotel, I stopped in at the Tahiti Queen and enjoyed another beer. All of the girls pointed and laughed. One sweet girl said she could help. She got some ice and a coin then started massaging the area. I wrapped my arms around her body and let her work. After leaving there, I went bar hopping for a few hours then headed to LK Metro.

I stopped by the Bronx Pizza for dinner and had a few slices. Bangkok 112 recommended that place in his videos so I decided to give it a try. He was right, that pizza is pretty good. It's definitely worth the 125 baht price for two slices.

After eating, I went to Climax and played pool with some older ladies. They all laughed at my neck and said the mosquitoes in Pattaya must be big. Since then, when someone asks about my neck, I just say mosquitoes. They have all found it quite hilarious so far.

I was the first customer in several of the gogo's on LK Metro. It seems like the gogo's there are more entertaining than the gogo's on WS. They are what WS gogo's were two years ago. I will visit some more before I go home. So far, The Office is my favorite in that area.

I got really drunk in LK Metro then made my way back towards my hotel. I stopped by Pheromone on WS too. I really like the direction the owners have taken with that place. I think it might be the best gogo on the actual WS; though Windmill is still my favorite in that area.

After Pheromone, I walked back out to BR and searched for a FL. I was really drunk by that time and didn't even feel like sex. I wanted to pass out instead. I went back to my room and called up the BJ girl from the last few nights. She was in my room within ten minutes. She asked why I never wanted sex, and I seriously contemplated it, but the room was spinning so I opted for another BJ instead. The third one was as good as the first. I paid her and sent her on her way. I've deleted her from my contacts so I'll stop relying on her. It's time for me to be more diverse with my orgasms.

Today's agenda will be pretty boring. I probably won't have much to report on tomorrow but I'll write one anyways. It seems like the forum is quiet, but I'll keep posting so you have something to read while you sit on the toilet.

I have a super late arrival in Pattaya, 2 am. Could someone tell me what my options are for finding a ST girl to get NE settled in.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1988565]...I made my way back to Soi 6. ... They all pointed at my neck. It turns out; the girl had left huge marks on my neck. Right now, my neck looks like Dracula's wet dream! I don't know why she did it, other than maybe to mark her territory. So, if you see a tall, white, American in his 30's with huge bite marks on his neck, that's me.ou sit on the toilet.[/QUOTE]Planning to tour Soi 6 next month. Enjoyed your report. This short, oldster American would definitely NOT want to return home with bite marks. I appreciate this ample warning.

[QUOTE=Ostevo;1988773]I have a super late arrival in Pattaya, 2 am. Could someone tell me what my options are for finding a ST girl to get NE settled in.[/QUOTE]Everything except Gentleman's clubs, Soi 6, and some massage shops are still open at 2 am. LK Metro gogo bars close at 3:30 am. WS gogo bars at 4 am. Bars all open til 3 am and after 3 am remain open without the music if still busy. Clubs like Hollywood, iBar, Red Car, many Thai bars in the Dark Siden, etc open much later. In other words, options still endless at 2 am.

I'll share my experience in coming reports but before that wanted to say something- "Be careful with ultra-thin non-latex condoms".

I'm using this Poly-isoprene, non-latex, ultra-thin condom for some time and it gives me a super amazing experience when compared to latex condoms. You feel like wearing nothing!

But during my short stint around 3 weeks back faced a real stressful situation due to this condom. Usually my lady wears me the condom but that night she insisted me to do it, which I obliged. I guess I didn't wear it properly or whatever but the condom ruptured inside when I came. I took out the weapon to see half of the cover is with me and half inside her, it was like WTF just happened.

Anyway she is sort my GF and I know she is not having any STD, so from that point of view there is nothing to worry. It was quite late in the night so we decided to get the Emergency Contraception in the morning. I'm a bit worried even now while writing the report since she yet to get her period.

Long story short. These ultra-thin condoms are definitely value for the buck, but be a bit careful while wearing them, always remember to keep enough space on the tip of it which I think I missed that night. I would have been in a completely different situation if the lady that night would have been a WG, horrible!

Enjoy your mongering, I'll come with my reports in later posts.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1988813]I'll share my experience in coming reports but before that wanted to say something- "Be careful with ultra-thin non-latex condoms".

I'm using this Poly-isoprene, non-latex, ultra-thin condom for some time and it gives me a super amazing experience when compared to latex condoms. You feel like wearing nothing!

But during my short stint around 3 weeks back faced a real stressful situation due to this condom. Usually my lady wears me the condom but that night she insisted me to do it, which I obliged. I guess I didn't wear it properly or whatever but the condom ruptured inside when I came. I took out the weapon to see half of the cover is with me and half inside her, it was like WTF just happened.

Anyway she is sort my GF and I know she is not having any STD, so from that point of view there is nothing to worry. It was quite late in the night so we decided to get the Emergency Contraception in the morning. I'm a bit worried even now while writing the report since she yet to get her period.

Long story short. These ultra-thin condoms are definitely value for the buck, but be a bit careful while wearing them, always remember to keep enough space on the tip of it which I think I missed that night. I would have been in a completely different situation if the lady that night would have been a WG, horrible!

Enjoy your mongering, I'll come with my reports in later posts.[/QUOTE]The only breakage problem I have had with the. 01 condoms have been with the Aoni brand, and those are latex. You have to keep her well lubricated with these. Even leaving room at the tip, I would find you would pile-drive your penis right through the tip if they dried out a bit. When I started adding lube the instant I noticed she was getting a little dry, the problem went went away.

But as reported last November, I have a heck of a time coming with any condom. I tried a bunch. Nothing worked well. In two weeks of mongering, I think I came only 2 or 3 times with a condom, and that was trying 2 to 4 times a day and not coming by any other method! I would be trying so hard and just fail, but on the few occasions I would then go in BB, each time I was able to come in literally 30 seconds. Strange, and quite frustrating.

Anyway, I recently visited a local area AMP. I took a Sagami Large with me. When I inserted, it actually felt great and rather than deliberately go slow and delay my coming (who wants to come too soon with a pretty Asian girl that you paid some bucks for) I went with the feelings, which were amazingly good, and came within a minute or two. Amazing. In Pattaya I tried several of these condoms with little luck, so why did they feel so good this time? Argh. Theoretically, I can see why they would feel better than the thinner condoms. The thin ones, made for the smaller Asian size, are tight. I had originally reasoned that being tight would mean they were thinner and, thus, I should feel even more, but I guess the tightness can be numbing. Not sure. But why I had no luck with them in Pattaya, and they felt so good at the AMP, beats me. I guess I need more research.

Anyway, I am starting to prepare to return to Pattaya in April / May, so I ordered some more of the Sagami Large, and they will be my primary condoms. The Large condoms are a bit smaller than western large condoms, and being poly-whatever they don't stretch a lot, but if you are average size or not too much thicker than medium-large, they should fit fine. My recommendation would be to order several types off Ebay and try them out.

I know one guy loves the Pasante, which are. 01's non-latex. I like the theory, as they slide on and they have a loose fit for my size, but due to the manufacturing process to make them slide on, are full of wrinkles. I tried them with one girl and she did not like the feeling. For a larger man it might work better. I may try them again though.

Trip Report 2017, Day 4.

I'm writing this report from the statue in front of the Hilton Hotel. The sun is coming up over the buildings and hitting the water nicely. I think it'll be a beautiful day. Yesterday was supposed to be a day of relaxation but it turned into another memorable experience.

After finishing my last report, I sought out a foot massage. I walked along the Soi's in hopes of finding one. Fortunately, I found a lovely girl next to the Far East Rock agogo on Soi 10/2. She had curvy hips and round tits. I couldn't refuse her cat call for "massage".

Once inside, she gave a passable foot massage while "accidentally" brushing her nice breasts against my legs. I was quite hard after 20 minutes and accepted her offer of an oil massage. We went up a few flights of stairs and into a private massage room, which had its own shower. I washed up and lay on the table. Her foot massages aren't bad, but her oil massage was terrible. I think she learned how to give massages by watching YouTube videos. I finally encouraged her to undress and received a sad surprise. Gravity had beaten the beautiful out of her a long time ago. Her breasts sagged heavily and her baby marks were quite pronounced. Victoria's Secret worked miracles on that girl.

Now, I want to give you all some insight. Kamagra Jelly stays in your system. I didn't know this until I entered the girl. Even with the condom on, the sensation was incredible! I felt like I was getting a BJ, HJ, and sex all at the same time. She didn't even feel overly tight either; that's how I knew the medicine lingers in your system. I released with her much faster than expected. I rinsed off and left without much small talk. She was a nice girl, but worn out is an understatement. I paid 200 for foot massage, 300 for oil massage, and 1000 for FS. Total cost: 1500 baht.

After the experience, I headed back to Hooters for lunch. I usually try to eat at different places for each meal but I rarely get Hooters at home. I actually like some of their food. It is super expensive compared to other places though. I paid 500 baht for some wings and water. I won't be eating there again this trip, but I enjoyed that meal very much.

After lunch, I relaxed at a few different beer bars on Beach Road and enjoyed watching the world fly by. I've gotten really good at shooing away the thousands of hawkers who try to sell the same tired merchandise. I've become good enough that I barely notice them now, so they aren't as annoying as my first year here. I learned how to say "I don't want" in Thai and it's been extremely useful. I recommend you learn that before your next trip.

I drank the beer slowly and tried to not push myself like I have the last few days. It resulted in a much more relaxing day. I still have a frat boy mentality towards drinking. I need to be more mature in the future; though it helps when you have a hangover guiding the way.

When the sun set, I made my way back to the LK Metro area and played pool with some nice older ladies. They aren't very cute, but have great personalities.

Banana Boi sent me a message suggesting I check out Ninja agogo and Fahrenheit. Both of those places were very disappointing. Ninja had two tiers of girls; one tier would get nude, while the others stayed clothed. I hate that! The nude ones weren't ugly, but I really liked one who stayed clothed. I left after one drink. After that, I went to Fahrenheit. It was also very disappointing. There were 16 girls on stage, only one was topless. I left there after one drink as well. Maybe I went too early?

After that, I hopped around a few different places. In one of the gogo's I saw two girls dancing with star tattoos over their nipples. Both of them had little doctor's booklets in their hands at all times, even when they danced. I tried to ask one why she had a little doctor book and she never answered. Anybody have any insight on this? Why did the only two girls with star tattoos on their nipples carry doctor booklets? HIV? Proof they were clean? I don't know.

I headed back to my room around 10 and got some much needed sleep. I only spent about 4000 baht yesterday, and 2,000 of it was on girls and Hooters.

I feel much better today, though the Kamagra and Cialis are still in my system. I keep getting raging erections every few minutes. It has made walking a little embarrassing.

I'm off to get breakfast and then head to Soi 6. I'll let you know what happens!

Trip Report 2017, Day 5.

I'm writing this from a breakfast place on Second Road. I'm not entirely sure the name of the restaurant, but it's across from the school near Walking Street. I don't know how you wackos can remember each girl's name so easily. I'm having trouble remembering what day it is.

Yesterday was another awesome day. After finishing my last report, I walked around and continued exploring. Sadly, my feet are absolutely ruined right now. They hurt so bad that I don't even want to move. On the bright side, the marks on my neck are almost completely gone now.

I started day drinking and ended up at Soi 6 while they were opening the bars. I relaxed at one and watched the street slowly wake up. The girl who gave me the marks on my neck was there and was being very insistent that I go with her again. I shrugged her off with the usual, "I go get food" excuse. Many other girls recognized me as I walked by and made me a little self-conscious.

I also ended up at my very first BJ bar yesterday. It was a surreal experience. I really love BJ's. I find them more relaxing than sex, so the change is nice. The girl was older but I didn't mind. We chatted for a few minutes then headed inside. I sat back on the couch and drank my beer while she worked my rod. It wasn't the best BJ I've ever had, but it definitely wasn't the worst either. I came in about five minutes.

After the BJ, I decided to avoid the vampire girl which meant a stroll down the infamous 6/1. That street is shady. I don't mean shady in the way that it's covered with scary ladyboys. I mean it's shady because there are a lot of trees over hanging the street providing a lot of shade. Some of the beefy ladyboys made attempts to grab me, but I dodged them as expertly as I could. They are usually a little grabby and I've just come to expect it, but they are actually aggressive on that street. You need to keep your eyes straight and your stride fast.

I hopped on a baht bus and headed back towards Walking Street. Next to WS, there are some legit massage places. Ones where the women are old but actually know what they are doing. I stopped in there and received a first-class foot massage from a nice older lady. The difference between her massage and the last girl felt like night and day.

I ended up back in my room by 7 pm And I felt tired. I got on Wechat and found a beautiful girl within 100 meters of my hotel. We chatted to each other and she was in my room 25 minutes later. It would have been sooner but she got lost.

She had a great body and nicely done fake tits. They looked real at first glance but you could feel the implants once you started to play. The Kamagra in my system and the BJ from earlier left me with a raging erection, but the stamina of a porn star. I nailed her in many positions and gave her multiple orgasms. We went through three condoms and two waters. I finally finished after more than an hour of pounding. She claimed she was too tired to walk and offered to give me a discount for LT which I declined. She was lovely but I don't like sleeping next to people.

I sent her on her way with 1,000 baht and then showered. I fell asleep around 10 pm And slept almost all night without waking up which is an achievement for me.

I've started to fall into a routine which is something I want to avoid. I'm going to change it up today. I need to keep things fresh before I get bored. I will try to do something new during the day today. I'm not sure what to do though. I am woefully ignorant of Pattaya day-time activities. I guess I'll just do some research.

I think I'll also hit iBar and Insomnia tonight. I'm not much of a club person, but I've never been there. I might as well give it a try and see what happens. I never thought I'the say this, but I'm a little tired of gogo's. I've seen so many tits this week that they are all blending together now.

Also, I know my reports have been getting shorter and I'm sorry about that. Everything is a blur here and it's difficult to remember exact details. It's like waking up from a great dream, but trying to remember the details of it an hour later.

I have no idea what I'll do today, but I'll make sure to keep you all posted.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1988933]

Banana Boi sent me a message suggesting I check out Ninja agogo and Fahrenheit. Both of those places were very disappointing. Ninja had two tiers of girls; one tier would get nude, while the others stayed clothed. I hate that! The nude ones weren't ugly, but I really liked one who stayed clothed. I left after one drink. After that, I went to Fahrenheit. It was also very disappointing. There were 16 girls on stage, only one was topless. I left there after one drink as well. Maybe I went too early?[/QUOTE]Sorry didn't realize ALL girls nude was the criteria. Even at Windmill many girls cover up something but we all know Windmill talent is not the best. Even at their sister club Sugar Baby not all girls are nude. Not sure their is even another Pattaya club where girls are all nude or even topless. Not even other dirtier clubs like Electric Blue and Wildcats but again not top talent.

Not sure what time you visited. LK Metro clubs generally only require 5 hour shifts meaning girls show up at 10 pm. You are definitely correct the non-nude girls at Ninja are far better than the nude ones. Imo the only pretty topless girl at Ninja is Amm with her spectacular tits (see girl in black in photo).

16 girls at Fahrenheit? Up until before Christmas there were 3 groups of 25-30 girls each. This number and talent level dropped significantly over Christmas and after New Year but I was expecting it to be back to normal now. Maybe it was an early Japanese barfine sweep night?

Hi Adrena,

Really enjoying reading your reports in report 5 you mention you go in BJ bar was it on Soi 6 and which one was it? You also talk about Kamagra jell and Cialis which pharmacy you use and how much do you pay? I hope to be back there in May and this info would be a great help Carry on your reports and thanks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1989414]Sorry didn't realize ALL girls nude was the criteria. Even at Windmill many girls cover up something but we all know Windmill talent is not the best. Even at their sister club Sugar Baby not all girls are nude. Not sure their is even another Pattaya club where girls are all nude or even topless. Not even other dirtier clubs like Electric Blue and Wildcats but again not top talent.
[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Funny. Would be great if there was a bar with all girls nude, all of the time. LOL It is not exactly legal in Thailand. Girls have sometimes had panties wrapped around their ankles or wrists for ease of putting on quickly when a police raid is coming (in Bangkok).

At one time Suzi Wong bar in Bangkok changed over to insist that all girls on the stage had to dance naked, after some particular time of night. However they would always put gear back on when getting off the stage. Crazy House has the advantage of many girls willing to stay naked when off the stage, but some girls never were naked. Looks like we can't have it everyway. Some guys prefer the mystery of girls wearing something. Japanese guys sometimes prefer to furtively look up the skirt of girls with no knickers underneath. So variety is the best compromise. I like to see the sag, the tats, the piercings shrapnel, the silicones, the pussy fur, etc. Or rather the lack of it preferably.

[QUOTE=Broxy;1989424]Hi Adrena,

Really enjoying reading your reports in report 5 you mention you go in BJ bar was it on Soi 6 and which one was it? You also talk about Kamagra jell and Cialis which pharmacy you use and how much do you pay? I hope to be back there in May and this info would be a great help Carry on your reports and thanks.[/QUOTE]I can't remember which bar it was. I'll be on Soi 6 again today, so I'll look at find out.

I got the Cialis from a friend but you can buy it here at any pharmacy. The same with the Kamagra jelly. I strolled into a random pharmacy, asked for it, and paid 100 baht per packet. I've done this at a few different pharmacies. I know buying an entire box is much cheaper, but there is no way I'll go through 50 of them during this trip. I don't really want to take them on a plane either.

Banana boi, I know all the gogo's aren't fully nude. I wish they were too, LOL.

I do want to see at least a few topless girls in the place. Seeing all the girls on stage wearing more clothes than you see on the beach is a bummer.

That's why I like the other bars better. We all have our own preferences though.

For 1 lady drink you can have the cute clothed girl topless and groping her tits while she DFK's you. That's why imo girls don't need to be topless in a bar.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1988565]Trip Report 2017, Day 3.


Once downstairs, the mamasan and the other girls started cheering and going crazy. They all pointed at my neck. It turns out; the girl had left huge marks on my neck. Right now, my neck looks like Dracula's wet dream! I don't know why she did it, other than maybe to mark her territory. The girl she had been arguing with was definitely not pleased. I should probably be angry about it but the story kind of makes the inconvenience worth it. So, if you see a tall, white, American in his 30's with huge bite marks on his neck, that's me. Feel free to say Hi!


.[/QUOTE]One had the same thing happen to me in Angeles with an overly enthusiastic provider. Took a few days to dissapear. Did some research after the fact and if yuo take the top of a chap stick tube, and rub the affected area (scrape rub etc) it makes the offending mark dissapear faster. I guess any tube top could work but the chap stick top has been my go to method for the occasional repeat neck munching effects that occurs time to time. .

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1989759]For 1 lady drink you can have the cute clothed girl topless and groping her tits while she DFK's you. That's why imo girls don't need to be topless in a bar.[/QUOTE]Really for 1 Lady drink, gal will take her top off in go go bar? For how much time?. Like in which bar?. I have noticed that even if she is fully clothed and sitting next to you. They keep demanding lady drinks every 5 minutes for herself or other staff.

Trip Report 2017 Day 6.

I took some more time off on day 6. I really pushed myself hard trying to reach numbers so day 6 was a day of relaxation instead. I didn't do much. I ate at a few new places and saw a movie. The movie was that new Vin Diesel movie, XXX. It was the worst movie I've ever seen in theaters. It was so bad that I considered leaving half way into it. It was the next movie showing when I went so I picked it. That was a huge mistake. LOL.

Oh well. I at least had a good day to enjoy Thailand instead of chasing tail.

Day 7.

After day 6, I was fully energized and ready to destroy some girls, and that's exactly what I did!

I started day drinking at the beer bars near Hooters and pounded probably 7 beers before noon. After that, I went to Soi 6 and watched it open up. It doesn't really get going before 2 pm So plan your day accordingly. I got super drunk before 2 pm And took another Kamagra Jelly packet. It really lit me up. I was ready to fuck anything. I started playing pool with a rather unattractive girl who had a lot of personality. I broke down and took her because it was convenient. Once upstairs, we showered and started fooling around. She had more stretch marks than any girl I've ever seen before. She must have given birth to a fucking basketball. I was too drunk to care.

I rolled on a condom and started slowly. She was really into the action and got wet with ease. I did my signature move and pulled her to the edge of the bed then pounded from that position. She got really wet and started grinding her hips into me. She had an intense orgasm and started squirting everywhere. Here is the bad thing, she was squirting cum and blood mixed. It went everywhere! I had induced her period with my dick. This isn't the first time it's happened. My entire stomach was covered, not to mention my dick and legs. I ran to the bathroom and cleaned up. I don't have any open wounds and the condom didn't break so I'm not overly worried about STI's, but my body looked like it was from a horror movie.

During the clean-up, she kept say she was sorry. It made the encounter awkward. I never finished and my drunken erection wanted more.

I paid 1000 plus 300 for the room then left. When I walked by later, she wasn't there. Guess she started a five day vacation because of my dick.

I drank some more then made a mistake. I walked up to a cute girl and immediately said short time. I didn't chat or act friendly at all. She said yes but turned out to be the worst sex I've had this trip. I should have seen if there was chemistry before we started but I was too drunk and horny. It was stupid. I won't make that mistake again. I didn't finish with her either.

I made my way back to Walking Street and my hotel. I crashed onto my bed and felt the room spin while cruising Wechat for a BJ princess. I found an average looking lady after sifting through about 30 ladyboy profiles. It seems like they dominate that social media. I was actually tricked once. I thought it was a girl for sure, but was told otherwise before accepting an offer, close call!

If you get confused, just politely ask. They will usually tell you before you need to ask, but better safe than sorry.

Anyways, the girl showed up at my hotel and gave me a very frustrating BJ. She would go for about 30 seconds then stop then start again. It was like sadistic teasing. I finally grabbed the back of her head and encouraged her to continue without stopping. After about two minutes of working, I got off.

She got 1000 and a free water. She wasn't worth a tip. I almost would have rather jerked off.

I passed out after she left. It was 7 or 8 at night. I drank about 15 beers and my tolerance isn't what it used to be. I got a decent night's sleep and I'm not hungover like I expected.

Some side notes.

The name of the BJ bar I visited is "My Friend You" bar.

The name of the bar where I got the bite marks is "Night Wish" bar.

Kamagra Jelly is available at any pharmacy, 100 baht a packet. I suggest trying them at least once.

I still haven't made it to iBar or Insomnia. I hope it happens eventually.

Funny side stories.

Yesterday, I was walking down Soi 6 and this ladyboy blocked my way and got really insistent. She had a great rack and I was drunk, so I started groping her tits right in the middle of the street, LOL. I expected her to be offended and move, but she just stood there laughing. Where else in the world can you publicly grope tranny tits and nobody cares? Pattaya is truly a unique place! I stopped as soon as she tried pulling me into her bar. I'll definitely have to avoid her for the next few days.

I also groped a mamasan! I was playing pool and she wanted to take a few shots while the other girl went to the WC. The mamasan grabbed my package and I responded by grabbing her large ass. It was a pretty interesting moment. I'm pretty sure I got a handful of her tits too. She seemed to enjoy it a lot; I know I enjoyed the experience. I guess they like being reminded they are women too. I was mostly sober when that happened, so it wasn't a drunken Farang thing like we've all seen before.

Two more days then I'm leaving Pattaya. This place is like a dream, but it feels almost time to wake up. I get bored here, especially during the day. It would be nice if I worked here, but just 24 hours of down-time is too much. I don't know how retirees handle the free time. I guess they have hobbies to keep them busy. If I lived here, I'the probably start a YouTube channel like Kev or Bangkok112. Who knows?

[QUOTE=Vivek;1989961]Really for 1 Lady drink, gal will take her top off in go go bar? For how much time?. Like in which bar?. I have noticed that even if she is fully clothed and sitting next to you. They keep demanding lady drinks every 5 minutes for herself or other staff.[/QUOTE]Almost every gogo bar on Walking Street or LK except the ones ruined by the Japanese (Baccara, Sensations, Happy, etc.).

Just to clarify the girl's don't necessarily take their tops fully off rather my hands are in their tops under their bras. That along with DFK are a requirement on drink 1 and the girls all know it. It may be different for me since I live in Pattaya and the girls and wait staff all know me

Yes some girls try for another drink in 10 minutes but my rule of thumb is 2-4 drinks per hour, depending on the girl. I never buy drinks for their 'sisters' or wait staff unless they are hot and I have intentions to barfine them. Don't let girls convince you otherwise. You get no value added being a nice guy buying drinks for everyone. In fact, you are labelled as an easy target with money or a good heart and will be asked more for LT. .

In go-go bars that allows nudity, the level of nudity (bikini, topless or all nude) determines her monthly salary. It is up to the girl.

[QUOTE=Vivek;1989961]Really for 1 Lady drink, gal will take her top off in go go bar?[/QUOTE]Yes. Sometimes the girls will already be topless. Even if she has a top on, you usually can slide your hand up and fondle her breast. For some girls, you can even fondle her pussy, although some will say, "not here, in the room".

[QUOTE=Vivek;1989961]For how much time?[/QUOTE]This definitely is YMMV. It all depends on the girl. On average, between 5 to 15 minutes. Note she has to go and dance on her shift, so you need to get her right after she dances, if you want a lot of time.

[QUOTE=Vivek;1989961]Like in which bar?[/QUOTE]So many bars. But YMMV. Last night, I had fun in G-Spot and Crazy House.

Did I mention I really really like Pattaya. I like to have a cold beer and look at and fondle young pretty girls! All for the price of my beer (it seems many bars now have happy hour draft beers for the entire night) and a 150 baht lady drink.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1990242] Note she has to go and dance on her shift, so you need to get her right after she dances, if you want a lot of time.[/QUOTE]Excellent point. Always learn the stage rotation in a club. Many girls will finish off their drinks immediately before their stage time hoping you will buy a drink for them to pull them off stage again. I let those girls stay on stage and possibly get a different girl while they are on stage. Waving a girl off stage gives you the maximum time with a girl until their next set.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1990242]In go-go bars that allows nudity, the level of nudity (bikini, topless or all nude) determines her monthly salary. It is up to the girl.[/QUOTE]

Different drink prices as well. For example at Glass House it's 140 baht for a clothed gogo girl and 200 for a topless "model". Nothing to do with looks just the amount of clothing they wear on stage. In general as Adrena pointed out at Ninja the younger, prettier ones usually keep their clothes on.

[QUOTE=Vivek;1989961]Really for 1 Lady drink, gal will take her top off in go go bar? For how much time?. Like in which bar?. I have noticed that even if she is fully clothed and sitting next to you. They keep demanding lady drinks every 5 minutes for herself or other staff.[/QUOTE]How much time you can actually manage with DFK and 'handle her boobs' ? Depends entirely upon your still but with one drink it is possible to take it some 15 o 20 minutes. Of course, they keep demanding drinks and you have to skillfully manage not to get as often as demanded!

It just might save your life, unlike this unlucky bastard:

[URL]http://pattayaone.news/en/foreigner-killed-falling-tree-branch/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1987651]Haha, very funny but a good report. Your experience at Galaxy club is what we usually refer to as the price of tuition. That's how we learn, from our mistakes and especially when we pay dearly. BTW, if you like Russian chicks, go to the German FKKs, plenty of them and cheaper, at 50 Euros per session. Plenty of Indians there too, even some Indian providers can be found there. But the service from Russian chicks is the same all over the world, chitty. I learned the hard way too.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestion! Heard about FKKs; never been to Germany though.

Had a great time in Amsterdam's RLD a few years back with a Russian gal, but generally they tends to be meh.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1985732]Nice report Nick, keep them coming.[/QUOTE]Thank for the encouragement. Next post will be up soon.

[QUOTE=KrisMonger;1987921]It seems some things never change. Galaxy was a ripoff a few years ago (see my earlier post) as it is now. It is amazing to see Indians getting sucked into Galaxy because of the "white" skin addiction.[/QUOTE]Yup! It is amazing! Inferiority complex carried over from the days of the 'white' rulers! Now, we just want to pay some money and fuck white skinned chicks.

Thanks for answers to my previous post. In most Pattaya open air bars (with girls of course), what's the menu like? You get only drinks like beers or you can get food / starters like peanuts, chips, french fries etc? You can order soft drinks also in bars like coke or fresh fruit juices after a couple of beers? And as far as bar girls are concerned you can play with her boobs or thighs while enjoying beer in bar? Or that is supposed to be done only in room? Is there any swingers bar in Pattaya where there is sex party or orgy going on?. The kind of which we see in porn sites? I heard there is Rama Kien resort which has or had that kind of parties in weekends. Is it still on? As we all know Chan resort is a naturist resort in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1990349]It just might save your life, unlike this unlucky bastard:

[URL]http://pattayaone.news/en/foreigner-killed-falling-tree-branch/[/URL][/QUOTE]You could die a in a much worse situation. A "natural death" in the Western world often means an extended stay in a healthcare facility. We are told we need to plan for that, because retirement is supposed to be more expensive than working, for the reason of medical expenses.

I'll take the falling tree branch in Thailand, thank you. I don't want to spend the days of my life, just hoping and praying death will take me out of some hellhole.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1990349]It just might save your life, unlike this unlucky bastard:

[URL]http://pattayaone.news/en/foreigner-killed-falling-tree-branch/[/URL][/QUOTE]This is a pure case of Jealousy. 91 year old walking and enjoying in Pattaya and had a girlfriend as well. Guess the God's couldn't handle it and pulled the plug on him.

May he RIP.

[QUOTE=Vivek;1990363] And as far as bar girls are concerned you can play with her boobs or thighs while enjoying beer in bar? Or that is supposed to be done only in room? Is there any swingers bar in Pattaya where there is sex party or orgy going on?. [/QUOTE]I don't see a lot of action at most outdoor bars which is why I don't go to them. However, there are some outdoor bars at places like Soi 7 and Soi 8 where you can do a lot. Just be careful you're having fun with a girl rather than a ladyboy.

As for the sex party, just grab 3 or 4 girls and bring them back to your hotel. This is Thailand you can do anything you want as long as you're not a Cheap Charlie.

Vivek.

Just keep buying the girls drinks, you'll be surprised what you can do.

If a bar does not sell food then the girls will go out and get you some, it is fine to eat another establishments food in a bar which does not sell food, just tip the girls who fetch your food.

Of course there are many bars who give you salty peanuts free of charge, but these just make you thirsty and drink more.

It is surprising how much fun you can have in the GoGo bars if you buy the girls a few tequilas.

[QUOTE=Vivek;1990363]Thanks for answers to my previous post. In most Pattaya open air bars (with girls of course), what's the menu like? You get only drinks like beers or you can get food / starters like peanuts, chips, french fries etc ...[/QUOTE]Particularly if you sit closer to the street on SOI 7 & 8. The food carts are literally in front of your nose. Noodles, fresh fruit, stir fry etc.

Or as others stated. Just send a bg out to find your snack or meal.

This forum seems to be humming with a lot of seasoned players. My friend is headed there tomorrow with only one evening. He will be there at 9 am. Any suggestions on what fun can be had in the afternoon? He is planning to do Devils den- any reviews there?

Search the word "afternoon" and you will have your answers.

[QUOTE=Shekhar647;1990695]Any suggestions on what fun can be had in the afternoon? [/QUOTE]Soi6, soi Honey, soi Chaiyapoon, Soi Full Love Inn. This sois are full of short time bars, BJ bars and massage shops.

[QUOTE=Shekhar647;1990695]He is planning to do Devils den- any reviews there?[/QUOTE]IMHO, the service at DD nowadays is not worth the price, but for those who never try a 3 some with 2 girls (and don't have the time for look around) could be a good option....

I think [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] still opens fairly early. Mid morning.

[QUOTE=Shekhar647;1990695]This forum seems to be humming with a lot of seasoned players. My friend is headed there tomorrow with only one evening. He will be there at 9 am. Any suggestions on what fun can be had in the afternoon? He is planning to do Devils den- any reviews there?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1990914] but for those who never try a 3 some with 2 girls (and don't have the time for look around) could be a good option....[/QUOTE]Isn't someone way better off grabbing 2 friends at Kinnaree, the main daytime option after Soi 6 imo? I'm assuming it's much cheaper than DD as well, not to mention girls being prettier as well.

DCups,

Devil's den is best. Don't know about timings. Please check their website with gallery. You have to select minimum 2 gals. For 90 minutes. Unlimited shots. 4000 Baht with room.

Hi friends,

Thanks for responses. Where is the open air bar complex where girls dance in middle on tables and we can sit around drinking eating? I think I saw a few such groups of bars while passing by from taxi last time. It has those red lights. Some were operational even during day time. It is the kind I saw in videos of soi 7 and soi 8. But no girls were dancing in middle in those videos. Maybe at the time of shooting no girl was dancing in middle on table.

Cheers,

Vivek.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1990923]Isn't someone way better off grabbing 2 friends at Kinnaree, the main daytime option after Soi 6 imo? I'm assuming it's much cheaper than DD as well, not to mention girls being prettier as well.[/QUOTE]I had 2 childhood friends go upstairs with me at Xcite Club. They were new so pretty compliant in taking directions.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1990923]Isn't someone way better off grabbing 2 friends at Kinnaree, the main daytime option after Soi 6 imo? I'm assuming it's much cheaper than DD as well, not to mention girls being prettier as well.[/QUOTE]If you take 2 friends at Kinnaree (or soi6) you can't be sure that they will provide lesbo show, anal, have toys, etc. DD for a newbie with a very short time in Pattaya could be a best bet, maybe not the best service (mechanical) but the girls will do everythings on menu and he not lose time around searching for 2 friends available for lesbo show. Also DD is in the city center and not need to take a mototaxi and go up to the hill, I know many guys that told me "kinnaree?? Oh too far!" so not everybody enjoy to take mototaxi and go up to the hill or in Jomtien.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1991074]If you take 2 friends at Kinnaree (or soi6) you can't be sure that they will provide lesbo show, anal, have toys, etc. DD for a newbie with a very short time in Pattaya could be a best bet, maybe not the best service (mechanical) but the girls will do everythings on menu and he not lose time around searching for 2 friends available for lesbo show. Also DD is in the city center and not need to take a mototaxi and go up to the hill, I know many guys that told me "kinnaree?? Oh too far!" so not everybody enjoy to take mototaxi and go up to the hill or in Jomtien.[/QUOTE]Thanks bro. At Kinaree now. See your point. Headed to DD. Will report on that.

Just took a 3 hour tour of sois 6, 7, 8, & Yamoto & Post Office. Saw precisely one good looking girl in all that hideousness, & unsurprisingly she was unwilling to go. Pattaya now hopeless!

[QUOTE=Opebo;1991144]Just took a 3 hour tour of sois 6, 7, 8, & Yamoto & Post Office. Saw precisely one good looking girl in all that hideousness, & unsurprisingly she was unwilling to go. Pattaya now hopeless![/QUOTE]Hopeless?

I do respect your opinion.

Could you tell me what other destination worldwide that beats Pattaya, for sure it's not Angeles PH or Artemis Berlin.

[QUOTE=Shekhar647;1991081]Thanks bro. At Kinaree now. See your point. Headed to DD. Will report on that.[/QUOTE]The experience was not good on DD. Quality of girls very average. Pattaya walking street also girls are far and few. Not as much fun as I had thought. I will agree my trip is rushed.

The street is losing charm. Hardly girls there. More visiting girls then working ones. The quality is then a a bigger challenge. Hate the guy who made the padded bra. Just lost time. Had thought one night will be short but looks like it is sufficient. Pattaya losing sheen.

[QUOTE=Shekhar647;1991205] Quality of girls very average. Pattaya walking street also girls are far and few. [/QUOTE]

Can you please be more specific to which bars you walked in to? Hard to believe you went to gogo bars like Sensations and baccara and didn't see nice girls.

On any given night before midnight there will be 200 girls between the two bars.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1991144]Just took a 3 hour tour of sois 6, 7, 8, & Yamoto & Post Office. Saw precisely one good looking girl in all that hideousness, & unsurprisingly she was unwilling to go. Pattaya now hopeless![/QUOTE]Pattaya continues to decline in quality every year. The cheap hunting grounds of pattaya only have dregs on offer. One must enter the high priced gogos and fight for any decent quality nowadays. If you spend another 3-6 hours of hunting, you just might find a doable at a reasonable price that brings back that good memory of Pattaya that you have in your head. Good luck Opebo! LOS doesn't pack that same punch as it used to. You're not the only one feeling the withdrawals.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1991144]Just took a 3 hour tour of sois 6, 7, 8, & Yamoto & Post Office. Saw precisely one good looking girl in all that hideousness[/QUOTE]Yes there can be days on soi 6 like that but I try again the next day or two and it may be pretty decent. Generally not great girls on yamato, soi 7 and 8 anyways. Have to be lucky on those soi.