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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2591023]https://frankfurt.de/english/corona-information

((In Frankfurt am Main, the number of cases has been below 35 infections per 100,000 residents and week for five consecutive days since Monday, 9 August 2021.

Therefore, the "Sixth General Decree of the City of Frankfurt am Main to combat the further spread of novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) in the city area from 22.07. 2021" has been lifted: Suspension (valid since 10. August 2021)

The Hessian Ordinance on protection against risks of infection with the coronavirus (CoSchuV) of 22 July 2021 applies.PP ))
[/QUOTE]Today according to the stats it's now at 35.1 so assume the Decree will be reapplied. This is a shit system, I don't know another country that has it. 35 cases per 100,000 people is nothing especially with so many vaccinated.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2591023]https://frankfurt.de/english/corona-information

((In Frankfurt am Main, the number of cases has been below 35 infections per 100,000 residents and week for five consecutive days since Monday, 9 August 2021.

Therefore, the "Sixth General Decree of the City of Frankfurt am Main to combat the further spread of novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) in the city area from 22.07. 2021" has been lifted: Suspension (valid since 10. August 2021)

The Hessian Ordinance on protection against risks of infection with the coronavirus (CoSchuV) of 22 July 2021 applies.PP ))



I think this is good news.[/QUOTE]At the same time Darmstadt goes from 20 cases per 100k to 25 in just two days :/

[QUOTE=RogerX;2590905]According to the link: I guess if you go by the koeln's website [URL]https://www.koeln.de/koeln/nachrichten/lokales/coronavirus-in-koeln-der-aktuelle-stand_1144487.html[/URL].

They will go in phase 2 on Thursday ([URL]https://www.koeln.de/koeln/nachrichten/lokales/das-muesst-ihr-zur-maskenpflicht-und-zu-coronaregeln-in-nrw-und-koeln-wissen_1166272.html[/URL]#Stufe2).

Thanks Palcon, very interesting website.

It seems brothels are closed on phase 2 (see Freizseit) as opposed in phase 1.

Will it be only for the city of Koeln, or also its surroundings?[/QUOTE]Odd.

Called Babylon today. They said they will be open all weekend.

Called Samya also. They said today is the last day of opening.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2591167]Ok, since I was forced by the pending closures to redirect my trip from NRW to Hesse, I'm focusing on the greater Frankfurt area. I know that Sharks is the top club currently. Out of nostalgia, I plan to visit Oase at least one sunny day. What else should I try?

I've been disappointed with Palace with the cold sex robots. Never tried Mainhattan. Is that worth trying right now? Other places I haven't tried yet:

Dietzenbach (still closed apparently), World (apparently a tiny shadow of its former self), Bahama Club, Haus Rote Rose brothel (Darmstadt area), Treff 188- Eschborn, or for a laugh, the RLD Laufhauses.

What about FKK Rom? Is it a hidden gem, like FKK Sakura, which I reviewed on ISG pre-COVID? Great club with great girls. Or is a smoky dump with terrible food, like some low rent clubs?

I don't plan to spend every single day in Sharks. Where should I go in the vicinity of Hesse right now?

Wiesbaden? Mainz? Mannheim? Heidelberg?

Thanks everyone.[/QUOTE]FKK Rom is a nice little club with good enough food and few nice girls to fuck, but no way close to as nice and classy fine as Sakura. I would say it's kinda like a more modern Finca but not as modern as Babylon Koln. Parking can be a bit pain, and given all the Covid nonsense going on, I suggest you call them before driving all the way.

Mainz is a nice city to visit, I enjoyed their weekend farmer's market, not sure if they still do it though.

Hope you have a great trip, report back please.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2591382]Odd.

Called Babylon today. They said they will be open all weekend.

Called Samya also. They said today is the last day of opening.[/QUOTE]Called Bernds today. Apparently they will be open (at least) until the end of the week, 4 girls only available, not covid related but holidays related.

I wonder if the lady I talked to knew the closing schedules and measures taken by the government.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2591382]Odd.

Called Babylon today. They said they will be open all weekend.

Called Samya also. They said today is the last day of opening.[/QUOTE]Even I can't go from my beloved beautiful mountains, but I'm sad for Samya, and cases will increase after holidays when Germans will bring back at home.

Better to check before travelling.

[QUOTE=RogerX;2591489]Called Bernds today. Apparently they will be open (at least) until the end of the week, 4 girls only available, not covid related but holidays related.

I wonder if the lady I talked to knew the closing schedules and measures taken by the government.[/QUOTE]That district still only has an incidence of 25. Perhaps that is the difference. Is NRW enacting stage 2 in all districts? Or is club opening still determined by each Kreis' own numbers?

Thanks for the tips on FKK Rom. After hearing that Samya is closing etc, it sounds like it was the right decision to shift to Hesse. I will definitely make some reports, as I always do. While I'm south of Frankfurt, It looks like Sharks will be the primary destination with a possible detour to FKK Rom. When I'm north of Frankfurt, I'll stop by Oase at least one day, and might give Palace another try. The area around Giessen has FKK Village, and their website looks promising. I can't find anything about Club Relax or 69. Their web presence seems nearly nonexistent.

Since Dietzenbach is open, I will likely give that a try too. No AO for me, however. I really love the GFE experience, but without the STDs.

Near Mainz and Wiesbaden, I found Sugar Pearl and Lollipopp Girls that I might try. In Heidelberg, I found Agentur May brothel.

In the end, the reality is that the mega clubs work well for the long distance holiday monger. These smaller clubs can be disappointing and not worth the effort. They would be great if you could stop by after work, but they aren't impressive after a transcontinental flight.

What Germany needs (in addition to the mega clubs) is the small casas of college girls in Spain. Cheerful, earnest, and beautiful young girls who aren't hardened sex robots like many of the FKK girls.

If anyone knows of the Hessian version of Vecinitas in Barcelona, please let me know. Maybe a shared apartment brothel in Frankfurt somewhere with fresh faced college students? That would be the perfect accompaniment to my Hessian mega club experience.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2591602]Thanks for the tips on FKK Rom. After hearing that Samya is closing etc, it sounds like it was the right decision to shift to Hesse. I will definitely make some reports, as I always do. While I'm south of Frankfurt, It looks like Sharks will be the primary destination with a possible detour to FKK Rom. When I'm north of Frankfurt, I'll stop by Oase at least one day, and might give Palace another try. The area around Giessen has FKK Village, and their website looks promising. I can't find anything about Club Relax or 69. Their web presence seems nearly nonexistent.

Since Dietzenbach is open, I will likely give that a try too. No AO for me, however. I really love the GFE experience, but without the STDs.

Near Mainz and Wiesbaden, I found Sugar Pearl and Lollipopp Girls that I might try. In Heidelberg, I found Agentur May brothel.

In the end, the reality is that the mega clubs work well for the long distance holiday monger. These smaller clubs can be disappointing and not worth the effort. They would be great if you could stop by after work, but they aren't impressive after a transcontinental flight.

What Germany needs (in addition to the mega clubs) is the small casas of college girls in Spain. Cheerful, earnest, and beautiful young girls who aren't hardened sex robots like many of the FKK girls.

If anyone knows of the Hessian version of Vecinitas in Barcelona, please let me know. Maybe a shared apartment brothel in Frankfurt somewhere with fresh faced college students? That would be the perfect accompaniment to my Hessian mega club experience.[/QUOTE]Dude Dietzenbach? Really? Have you read up on it? Used to be on the forum a lot I haven't been but the summary from my POV is if you aren't doing AO then why bother. Dietz is all about mediocre looking girls doing AO in a lowbrow setting. At least that's what's been represented here for the last three years. Happy to have someone correct that. But in the absence of that, I think u would be disappointed.

The closing of the NRW is a huge downfall. The anal sex upgrades of only 50 euros are not available anywhere else but there.

So will it be open in September? I tried to load the RK incidence page but its not loading on my browser for some reason.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2591602]Thanks for the tips on FKK Rom. After hearing that Samya is closing etc, it sounds like it was the right decision to shift to Hesse. I will definitely make some reports, as I always do. While I'm south of Frankfurt, It looks like Sharks will be the primary destination with a possible detour to FKK Rom. When I'm north of Frankfurt, I'll stop by Oase at least one day, and might give Palace another try. The area around Giessen has FKK Village, and their website looks promising. I can't find anything about Club Relax or 69. Their web presence seems nearly nonexistent.

Since Dietzenbach is open, I will likely give that a try too. No AO for me, however. I really love the GFE experience, but without the STDs.

Near Mainz and Wiesbaden, I found Sugar Pearl and Lollipopp Girls that I might try. In Heidelberg, I found Agentur May brothel.

In the end, the reality is that the mega clubs work well for the long distance holiday monger. These smaller clubs can be disappointing and not worth the effort. They would be great if you could stop by after work, but they aren't impressive after a transcontinental flight..[/QUOTE]

You are essentially proving my earlier comment: In Hesse, once you get outside of the classier mega clubs (Sharks and Oase), the other options are fairly meager and frequently low rent. I am well aware of the low price AO reputation of Dietzenbach, but I also read comments that the service levels are high and (compared to other small low cost clubs) that the girls were more attractive. You are probably right. I will likely be sorely disappointed, but I'the like to try something else besides just Sharks and Oase. I've done both multiple times, and it would be nice to explore. I'm definitely open to an options you can recommend.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2591634]You are essentially proving my earlier comment: In Hesse, once you get outside of the classier mega clubs (Sharks and Oase), the other options are fairly meager and frequently low rent. I am well aware of the low price AO reputation of Dietzenbach, but I also read comments that the service levels are high and (compared to other small low cost clubs) that the girls were more attractive. You are probably right. I will likely be sorely disappointed, but I'the like to try something else besides just Sharks and Oase. I've done both multiple times, and it would be nice to explore. I'm definitely open to an options you can recommend.[/QUOTE]Good attitude. Some of my most memorable rooms have been in el cheapo clubs in Northern NRW. Not as dirty as Dietz but pretty bare bones, self service, disposable cups type clubs where entries are cheaper than a nice hotel's breakfast buffet.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2591617]Dude Dietzenbach? Really? Have you read up on it? Used to be on the forum a lot I haven't been but the summary from my POV is if you aren't doing AO then why bother. Dietz is all about mediocre looking girls doing AO in a lowbrow setting. At least that's what's been represented here for the last three years. Happy to have someone correct that. But in the absence of that, I think u would be disappointed.[/QUOTE]Yes, Dietzenbach only worth for AO and m&ms. Same for other RTC, without m&ms. Don t go there to please your eyes.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2591634]You are essentially proving my earlier comment: In Hesse, once you get outside of the classier mega clubs (Sharks and Oase), the other options are fairly meager and frequently low rent. I am well aware of the low price AO reputation of Dietzenbach, but I also read comments that the service levels are high and (compared to other small low cost clubs) that the girls were more attractive. You are probably right. I will likely be sorely disappointed, but I'the like to try something else besides just Sharks and Oase. I've done both multiple times, and it would be nice to explore. I'm definitely open to an options you can recommend.[/QUOTE]It is a terrible place, I gave it a try and when I arrived the door was open and there was a girl who so many mongers wrote she was a stunner (Helena? She was standing fully naked outside under the sunshine, in fact she is awful, a overfucked MILF even for free I will not fuck her. Inside the FKK nothing better, dirty place, bad sauna, bad food and some gypsy girls with I guess some mental issues or under drug.

Frankfurt 7-day incidence rate = 38.3.

Darmstadt 7-day incidence rate = 34.4.

What does it means? Will Sharks close as soon as the rate = 35 ?

i see in July the rate was above 35 in many days ?

https://oscovida.github.io/html/Germany-Hessen-SK-Darmstadt.html

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2591725]Frankfurt 7-day incidence rate = 38.3.

Darmstadt 7-day incidence rate = 34.4.

What does it means? Will Sharks close as soon as the rate = 35 ?

i see in July the rate was above 35 in many days ?

https://oscovida.github.io/html/Germany-Hessen-SK-Darmstadt.html[/QUOTE]I believe in Hesse the rate is 100 for closure, when Darmstadt went over 35 Sharks remained open. Unfortunately with Delta the jump from 34.4 to 100 can be quite quick.

Hello,

I wonder if our German colleagues can predict the future development of FKK scene after German elections in September. As we know, we faced some additional limitations after last elections, when SPD with Manuela Schwesig took over the Family and social Ministry. Now looks that extreme left Greens will be strong. Can we expect any further limitations and prohibitions (in addition to Covid measures) in this case?

Regards.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2591617]Dude Dietzenbach? Really? Have you read up on it? Used to be on the forum a lot I haven't been but the summary from my POV is if you aren't doing AO then why bother. Dietz is all about mediocre looking girls doing AO in a lowbrow setting. At least that's what's been represented here for the last three years. Happy to have someone correct that. But in the absence of that, I think u would be disappointed.[/QUOTE]LOL Steve, yup Dietz is a dump as far as the club ambience, food etc goes, no argument about that (unless they upgraded during the Covid break which is very unlikely), even though the owners are a nice couple. But Dietz is also the place I found few real diamonds in the rough over the years eg Alice, Oana (at her beginning when she was slim), Sara (later worked in Sharks for few months), Diana (went to NRW), Amira and couple more I can't remember names. These top Dietz girls at their prime could be in top 5-10% of any FKK lineup IMHO, both from looks and service perspectives. Of course AO with that solid looks and service puts them in even more desirable category for some mongers. I bet some Sharks customers would pay double the rate for girls like them for AO in Sharks.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2591734]I believe in Hesse the rate is 100 for closure, when Darmstadt went over 35 Sharks remained open. Unfortunately with Delta the jump from 34.4 to 100 can be quite quick.[/QUOTE]I think its 50 after reading this.

((Date: 06.23. 2021.

Today, the Hessen state government has decided on further opening steps in view of declining infection numbers.

"We are pleased that the incidences are falling significantly, that the measures have been successful, and that we can therefore justify further relaxations. Therefore, starting Friday, a far-reaching return to more normality will be possible.

The following regulations have been adopted taking into account all health, economic and social factors: .

Prostitution establishments:

- Open with mandatory testing, hygiene rules and contact data collection.

If the incidences in a district or a district-free city rise above the 50 mark for seven days in a row, there will be district-specific restrictions on site. If the infection process can be clearly limited to an area, targeted hotspot measures will be taken. Starting with an incidence of higher than 100, further measures take effect in accordance with the escalation concept. These include, for example, stricter contact rules and a renewed extension of the mask requirement.)).

I don't know if this is old rule!! But 50 mark for seven days in a row is good news for visiting Sharks in August. I hope cases don't go up in Darmstadt.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2591781]LOL Steve, yup Dietz is a dump as far as the club ambience, food etc goes, no argument about that (unless they upgraded during the Covid break which is very unlikely), even though the owners are a nice couple. But Dietz is also the place I found few real diamonds in the rough over the years eg Alice, Oana (at her beginning when she was slim), Sara (later worked in Sharks for few months), Diana (went to NRW), Amira and couple more I can't remember names. These top Dietz girls at their prime could be in top 5-10% of any FKK lineup IMHO, both from looks and service perspectives. Of course AO with that solid looks and service puts them in even more desirable category for some mongers. I bet some Sharks customers would pay double the rate for girls like them for AO in Sharks.[/QUOTE]Diamonds are valuable, yes, but miners have to dig and sift through a million tons of disgusting dirt before getting to them. If there are a few diamonds on display every single night then it makes it worthwhile but otherwise, probably not. For fly in mongers, time is more valuable than money. A lot more. If you have 3 nights in Frankfurt and blow one of them in a club with a bunch of middle aged, out of shape women not so attractive and pussies filled with other dudes' cum, it is a pass for most mainstream mongers. May be a different story for those wanting and needing AO.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2591821]Diamonds are valuable, yes, but miners have to dig and sift through a million tons of disgusting dirt before getting to them. If there are a few diamonds on display every single night then it makes it worthwhile but otherwise, probably not. For fly in mongers, time is more valuable than money. A lot more. If you have 3 nights in Frankfurt and blow one of them in a club with a bunch of middle aged, out of shape women not so attractive and pussies filled with other dudes' cum, it is a pass for most mainstream mongers. May be a different story for those wanting and needing AO.[/QUOTE]All good points Pess. I do a slightly different way though. Dietz usually has full lineup at 10 am when they open, only once I had to wait for Amira to show up at 2 pm (and theke Alice told me that ahead, it was just my decision to wait). Usually I arrive at Dietz at 10 am, see if I like anyone before even they have their first rooms, stick around if I find anyone to fuck multiple times, and if there's none for my taste, just drive over to whichever other FKK I want to spend the day. Good thing is usually entry fee is only 15 e before 11 am, so that's not really a big deal. And if I really enjoyed someone before, I either arrange with her when I'm going to be there again or simply call the club and theke honestly tells me if she's there or will be there when (unlike Sharks or Oase). So even on a short few days trip, checking Dietz for a new diamond isn't too much of a work. And from Dietz both Sharks and Oase are only 20-30 minutes drive.

Kinda funny and interesting was when one very old German guy paid my session with Amira to watch me creampie her in Dietz LOL. Very nice guy!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2591620]The closing of the NRW is a huge downfall. The anal sex upgrades of only 50 euros are not available anywhere else but there.

So will it be open in September? I tried to load the RK incidence page but its not loading on my browser for some reason.[/QUOTE]Situation will be worst after holidays when Germans will return home, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2591781]LOL Steve, yup Dietz is a dump as far as the club ambience, food etc goes, no argument about that (unless they upgraded during the Covid break which is very unlikely), even though the owners are a nice couple. But Dietz is also the place I found few real diamonds in the rough over the years eg Alice, Oana (at her beginning when she was slim), Sara (later worked in Sharks for few months), Diana (went to NRW), Amira and couple more I can't remember names. These top Dietz girls at their prime could be in top 5-10% of any FKK lineup IMHO, both from looks and service perspectives. Of course AO with that solid looks and service puts them in even more desirable category for some mongers. I bet some Sharks customers would pay double the rate for girls like them for AO in Sharks.[/QUOTE]Why would a woman in the top 5-10% of any FKK lineup do AO? Isn't that taking a lot of risk for not a lot of money?

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2591876]Why would a woman in the top 5-10% of any FKK lineup do AO? Isn't that taking a lot of risk for not a lot of money?[/QUOTE]I have no idea why exactly, but they do. I also heard from Sara that she made double the money in Dietz compared to Sharks as she was much busier in Dietz. Maybe you can ask them next time you are at Dietz? But probably the similar reasons that some girls don't want to work in Switzerland even though they can make much higher hourly rate, kinda like some personal preference?

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2591876]Why would a woman in the top 5-10% of any FKK lineup do AO? Isn't that taking a lot of risk for not a lot of money?[/QUOTE]RTC only worth for AO, for sure not for beauties. We don't all have same eyes.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2591876]Why would a woman in the top 5-10% of any FKK lineup do AO? Isn't that taking a lot of risk for not a lot of money?[/QUOTE]There have been a handful of stunner types that have made their way through Sharks over the years that did AO. Why? Who knows. Rare, yes. Usually they have been younger (under 22). My experience is that it's given after the 3rd or 4th room, usually longer rooms. Maybe something to do with them feeling comfortable with the client while being younger and less risk averse.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2591808]I think its 50 after reading this.

Date: 06.23. 2021.

[/QUOTE]That's the old one, you want the one dated July 19th [URL]https://soziales.hessen.de/sites/default/files/media/2021-07-19_eskalationskonzept.pdf[/URL] it's all in German though.

Darmstadt is now at 41.9, the jump from 18 to 42 has unfortunately been made in less than a week.

Sa So Mo Di Mi Do FR.
18 20 20 23 25 34 42.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2591985]There have been a handful of stunner types that have made their way through Sharks over the years that did AO. Why? Who knows. Rare, yes. Usually they have been younger (under 22). My experience is that it's given after the 3rd or 4th room, usually longer rooms. Maybe something to do with them feeling comfortable with the client while being younger and less risk averse.[/QUOTE]That's a positive spin. I remember one Sharks AO stunner, and indeed she was younger but sadly, I got the impression she did AO not because she felt comfortable and was less risk averse, but that she was beaten down and didn't care any more. Her pimp was even often there with her.

The AO girls that I know at Sharks now have the same demeanor and posture. Look for the girls who look like their spine is shaped like a question mark if you want to know who does AO.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2592202]That's a positive spin. I remember one Sharks AO stunner, and indeed she was younger but sadly, I got the impression she did AO not because she felt comfortable and was less risk averse, but that she was beaten down and didn't care any more. Her pimp was even often there with her.

The AO girls that I know at Sharks now have the same demeanor and posture. Look for the girls who look like their spine is shaped like a question mark if you want to know who does AO.[/QUOTE]Probably also true.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2591833]All good points Pess. I do a slightly different way though. Dietz usually has full lineup at 10 am when they open, only once I had to wait for Amira to show up at 2 pm (and theke Alice told me that ahead, it was just my decision to wait). Usually I arrive at Dietz at 10 am, see if I like anyone before even they have their first rooms, stick around if I find anyone to fuck multiple times, and if there's none for my taste, just drive over to whichever other FKK I want to spend the day. Good thing is usually entry fee is only 15 e before 11 am, so that's not really a big deal. And if I really enjoyed someone before, I either arrange with her when I'm going to be there again or simply call the club and theke honestly tells me if she's there or will be there when (unlike Sharks or Oase). So even on a short few days trip, checking Dietz for a new diamond isn't too much of a work. And from Dietz both Sharks and Oase are only 20-30 minutes drive.

Kinda funny and interesting was when one very old German guy paid my session with Amira to watch me creampie her in Dietz LOL. Very nice guy![/QUOTE]You could check with them through messaging to verify if the girls that you like are coming on that day and when? If you already know which are your "doable" girls, that is a possible strategy rather than risking a trip and waiting / hoping for someone to show up. I see guys making appointments with girls in clubs all the time. And when you go there for a prearranged meet w / your girls and happen to see someone else that you like, can add her to your roster.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2591876]Why would a woman in the top 5-10% of any FKK lineup do AO? Isn't that taking a lot of risk for not a lot of money?[/QUOTE]The risk that is on both side LOL!

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2591876]Why would a woman in the top 5-10% of any FKK lineup do AO? Isn't that taking a lot of risk for not a lot of money?[/QUOTE]All the stunner I met in a FKK, were doing 0 extra just because those girls don't need to make their living. Only desperate or mentally disturbed girls will do AO with a monger but this is also true for the mongers. Health should be priority number 1 for everyone.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2591833]All good points Pess. I do a slightly different way though. Dietz usually has full lineup at 10 am when they open, only once I had to wait for Amira to show up at 2 pm (and theke Alice told me that ahead, it was just my decision to wait). Usually I arrive at Dietz at 10 am, see if I like anyone before even they have their first rooms, stick around if I find anyone to fuck multiple times, and if there's none for my taste, just drive over to whichever other FKK I want to spend the day. Good thing is usually entry fee is only 15 e before 11 am, so that's not really a big deal. And if I really enjoyed someone before, I either arrange with her when I'm going to be there again or simply call the club and theke honestly tells me if she's there or will be there when (unlike Sharks or Oase). So even on a short few days trip, checking Dietz for a new diamond isn't too much of a work. And from Dietz both Sharks and Oase are only 20-30 minutes drive.

Kinda funny and interesting was when one very old German guy paid my session with Amira to watch me creampie her in Dietz LOL. Very nice guy![/QUOTE]Diamond at Dietz, sorry but nothing is shining there. Terrible premises, terrible LU, but yes you can get AO but for me only beauty matters which is impossible to find there.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2592376]The risk that is on both side LOL![/QUOTE]Has anyone reported to have caught HIV from the AO clubs? I think there would be some statistics on this and how often are these AO girls tested and if they are on prophylaxis treatment or not?

[QUOTE=Mathias037;2591772]Hello,

I wonder if our German colleagues can predict the future development of FKK scene after German elections in September. As we know, we faced some additional limitations after last elections, when SPD with Manuela Schwesig took over the Family and social Ministry. Now looks that extreme left Greens will be strong. Can we expect any further limitations and prohibitions (in addition to Covid measures) in this case?

Regards.[/QUOTE]IIRC Aside from one policy position from Green party of better protection for prostitution from abuse prostitution is not on the agenda unlike the 2013 election.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2592202]That's a positive spin. I remember one Sharks AO stunner, and indeed she was younger but sadly, I got the impression she did AO not because she felt comfortable and was less risk averse, but that she was beaten down and didn't care any more. Her pimp was even often there with her.

The AO girls that I know at Sharks now have the same demeanor and posture. Look for the girls who look like their spine is shaped like a question mark if you want to know who does AO.[/QUOTE]The girls we all played part and helped to beat her down! Some French self claim Casanova want to be in brothel where you pay for sex seems to think it is different, but no girls in the world like to get paid to get fucked with our intention of fulfilling men's lust only, whether it is passion sex or technique or whatever type of sex, they are just being fucked for 50 euro, so we all played part to destroy and beaten down these girls!

Some mongers realize this, some are too blind or stupid to realize this, but like I always wrote, mongers thrive at the down slope of economy! Sad, but true, though it is joy of mongers!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2592409]Has anyone reported to have caught HIV from the AO clubs? I think there would be some statistics on this and how often are these AO girls tested and if they are on prophylaxis treatment or not?[/QUOTE]You normally get HIV with anal sex, but pussy sex can get that too. However, if somebody did report, then I reckon feminist would have shut it down long ago. Maybe there are some reporting of such incident, that is why maybe this July 2017 law came in force for the misery of monger, the extra 20 or 50 euro for BBBJ in FKK after summer 2017 LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2592539]You normally get HIV with anal sex, but pussy sex can get that too. However, if somebody did report, then I reckon feminist would have shut it down long ago. Maybe there are some reporting of such incident, that is why maybe this July 2017 law came in force for the misery of monger, the extra 20 or 50 euro for BBBJ in FKK after summer 2017 LOL![/QUOTE]It is a good question why that 2017 rule change was passed when it was passed. A little strange that a rule change was passed with that much amount of specificity related to sex acts which are intimate by nature. The sad thing is that it made little practical impact except to hike up prices which was probably not the intent of the legislators whoever they may be. And the other sad thing is that rule changes like these, once passed, are tough to reverse.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2592425]The girls we all played part and helped to beat her down! Some French self claim Casanova want to be in brothel where you pay for sex seems to think it is different, but no girls in the world like to get paid to get fucked with our intention of fulfilling men's lust only, whether it is passion sex or technique or whatever type of sex, they are just being fucked for 50 euro, so we all played part to destroy and beaten down these girls!

Some mongers realize this, some are too blind or stupid to realize this, but like I always wrote, mongers thrive at the down slope of economy! Sad, but true, though it is joy of mongers![/QUOTE]I just had some labs done and everything came back clean. It is very possible to be an "Analist" monger and remain safe and healthy. Of course, I [B]always[/B] use a condom when I cornhole my pretty tutes. And 99.9% of the time with vaginal sex too. I admit to a few times of vaginal bareback. Took a risk. And survived. When I have had a steady girlfriend (been a long time as not really interested), it's been bareback everything all the way with her using birth control.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2592598]It is a good question why that 2017 rule change was passed when it was passed. A little strange that a rule change was passed with that much amount of specificity related to sex acts which are intimate by nature. The sad thing is that it made little practical impact except to hike up prices which was probably not the intent of the legislators whoever they may be. And the other sad thing is that rule changes like these, once passed, are tough to reverse.[/QUOTE]At least there was only little impact by some price increase, it is still fortunate thing in unfortunate event for mongers, but FKK was collateral damage to that new law as it was targeting AO clubs more I think!

I am crazy monger, but even for me the concept of AO clubs were bit crazy for me, I would agree little more to AO clubs if it was super expensive like few hundred euro to get in and few hundred euro to fuck, but in exchange they use some of that money to control the hygiene level more and be more regulated than some dump place with some dump girls, I think AO clubs should have been the most luxury premium membership club not the other way round that it was in some flat or room somewhere.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2592662]I just had some labs done and everything came back clean. It is very possible to be an "Analist" monger and remain safe and healthy. Of course, I [B]always[/B] use a condom when I cornhole my pretty tutes. And 99.9% of the time with vaginal sex too. I admit to a few times of vaginal bareback. Took a risk. And survived. When I have had a steady girlfriend (been a long time as not really interested), it's been bareback everything all the way with her using birth control.[/QUOTE]Congratulation for the result, live to fuck more stunners another day LOL! Well that condom you put on you penis may saved your life especially in Brazil, but if you look at the data and the probability, HIV is hard to contract from bareback pussy intercourse, even with anal it is quite limited, but it is more probable.

I think as long as you use condom in FKK etc, it is very safe enough, but not 100 percent, but nothing is 100 percent! For some escort, bareback can be done as some girls are really fresh from college or normal world, so ofcouse they have been fucked, but chances of them carrying HIV in let say in G7 nation or Europe, it is quite limited, but it is all to do with how much risk are we willing to take return for pleasure? That is the question LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2592728]At least there was only little impact by some price increase, it is still fortunate thing in unfortunate event for mongers, but FKK was collateral damage to that new law as it was targeting AO clubs more I think!

I am crazy monger, but even for me the concept of AO clubs were bit crazy for me, I would agree little more to AO clubs if it was super expensive like few hundred euro to get in and few hundred euro to fuck, but in exchange they use some of that money to control the hygiene level more and be more regulated than some dump place with some dump girls, I think AO clubs should have been the most luxury premium membership club not the other way round that it was in some flat or room somewhere.[/QUOTE]Before the stupid 2017 laws, most RTC / AO clubs used to have a doctor / assistant come weekly to check / test girls. I am not sure if that still happens because the practice of AO or BBBJ has now become kinda "underground" activity.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2592728]At least there was only little impact by some price increase, it is still fortunate thing in unfortunate event for mongers, but FKK was collateral damage to that new law as it was targeting AO clubs more I think!

I am crazy monger, but even for me the concept of AO clubs were bit crazy for me, I would agree little more to AO clubs if it was super expensive like few hundred euro to get in and few hundred euro to fuck, but in exchange they use some of that money to control the hygiene level more and be more regulated than some dump place with some dump girls, I think AO clubs should have been the most luxury premium membership club not the other way round that it was in some flat or room somewhere.[/QUOTE]It should be run like the porn industry wherein a full test needs to be completed every two weeks and everyone inspects each other's tests including the hobbyists needing to have a full panel of tests.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2592409]Has anyone reported to have caught HIV from the AO clubs? I think there would be some statistics on this and how often are these AO girls tested and if they are on prophylaxis treatment or not?[/QUOTE]Have you ever visited a RTC like Villa Venus or Arabella or Dietzenbach? And many others. Bernds could be kind of. Just visit and You will understand when you see girls working there. Forget about top beauties who are now even rare at expensive Globe. Before new law which was to protect girls and German wives health, so they must had figures about problems, you could have your dick in girl mouth in couch in lounge in less than 10 seconds, without condom of course, and You saw girls providing to old fat Germans who love these places. New law, but still AO RTC, but they wrote on walls: with condom, in pocket. Then, safe sex for pocket.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2592728]At least there was only little impact by some price increase, it is still fortunate thing in unfortunate event for mongers, but FKK was collateral damage to that new law as it was targeting AO clubs more I think!

I am crazy monger, but even for me the concept of AO clubs were bit crazy for me, I would agree little more to AO clubs if it was super expensive like few hundred euro to get in and few hundred euro to fuck, but in exchange they use some of that money to control the hygiene level more and be more regulated than some dump place with some dump girls, I think AO clubs should have been the most luxury premium membership club not the other way round that it was in some flat or room somewhere.[/QUOTE]Yes, agree with you; very good points!

Can anyone suggest a few honest escort agencies for a price range of 200-300 Euros / hour? (similar to what Italy or Switzerland has to offer).

I really appreciate it.

[QUOTE=UssbTravel;2593004]Can anyone suggest a few honest escort agencies for a price range of 200-300 Euros / hour? (similar to what Italy or Switzerland has to offer).

I really appreciate it.[/QUOTE]I'll second this. In fact I was going to ask for my December trip.

This is what I've found. I just want to preface that I've only found these. I make no recommendation on their reliability or whatnot.

[URL]https://www.callgirlsfrankfurt.com/rates/[/URL]

[URL]https://armani-escort.com/rates/[/URL]

[URL]https://blossom-escort.com/rates/[/URL]

[URL]https://outcall-escort.wixsite.com/home/price[/URL]

[URL]https://frankfurtescortgirls.com/charges/[/URL]

[URL]https://happyhour-escort.com/en/charges/[/URL]

[URL]https://skyline-escort.com/en/escort-rates-in-frankfurt/[/URL]

[URL]https://rumors-escort.com/rates/[/URL]

[URL]https://armani-escort.com/rates/[/URL]

200.

[URL]https://www.privatmodellefrankfurt.com/en/prices/[/URL]

150.

Also this looks like it is a list aggregator? I found a couple of agencies on this.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2593061]I'll second this. In fact I was going to ask for my December trip.

This is what I've found. I just want to preface that I've only found these. I make no recommendation on their reliability or whatnot.

[URL]https://www.callgirlsfrankfurt.com/rates/[/URL]

[URL]https://armani-escort.com/rates/[/URL]

[URL]https://blossom-escort.com/rates/[/URL]

[URL]https://outcall-escort.wixsite.com/home/price[/URL]

[URL]https://frankfurtescortgirls.com/charges/[/URL]

[URL]https://happyhour-escort.com/en/charges/[/URL]

[URL]https://skyline-escort.com/en/escort-rates-in-frankfurt/[/URL]

[URL]https://rumors-escort.com/rates/[/URL].[/QUOTE]LOL There is an escort agency called Armani escort LOL Girogio should have sue them LOL! Or is he the client or the owner? LOL! Whatta name for branding LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2592924]Yes, agree with you; very good points![/QUOTE]But they made AO clubs low place to be, it would be best if it is premium place, but I hear in Babylon in Austria in salzberg and vienna, you can AO for price, girls told me this.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2592874]It should be run like the porn industry wherein a full test needs to be completed every two weeks and everyone inspects each other's tests including the hobbyists needing to have a full panel of tests.[/QUOTE]In exchange for premium rate yes. I will open one called Ho premium AO LOL!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2592831]Before the stupid 2017 laws, most RTC / AO clubs used to have a doctor / assistant come weekly to check / test girls. I am not sure if that still happens because the practice of AO or BBBJ has now become kinda "underground" activity.[/QUOTE]Oh it still exist huh? Are there any premium ones?

Some FKK clubs have in house medical doctor like Artemis has medical doctor always in house. He kinda look like a Turkish doctor as the owner is Turkish.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2593091]In exchange for premium rate yes. I will open one called Ho premium AO LOL![/QUOTE]I think the German government should fund the tests and then tax the providers to recoup the test payments but still keep the AO rates at 50 euros or maybe tax the Russian pipeline with tariffs to pay for all the AO testing needed in the bareback clubs. Or a grant from the Bill G HIV foundation maybe.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2593090]But they made AO clubs low place to be, it would be best if it is premium place, but I hear in Babylon in Austria in salzberg and vienna, you can AO for price, girls told me this.[/QUOTE]I agreed with you previously but don't necessarily agreed with the "they made it" part. Obviously, rules related to allowing AO clubs can't be based on price structure; I. E. , allowing high end high priced AO clubs but disallowing low end, 50 Euro AO clubs, would be illegal, not to mention it sounds elitist and arrogant. I prefer the AO part was somewhat exclusive, perhaps that is the elitist in me talking. But the granting of the licensing alone can't be based on it. Perhaps if they had made the price so high for an AO license, the club would naturally become expensive and exclusive to the high end (to recoup the license fee).

That said, I don't even know if there was a separate license to be an AO club. Why were certain clubs AO and not others? Was it just their branding? Or was it a legal structure too? I do not know. But in any case, now it is moot.

I think the fact that 50 E AO clubs existed tells me that there are a sufficient number of mongers and also girls to make that market a possibility. Of course, the fact that a low end club became AO in no way precludes a high end club to exist as AO; obviously, several high end escorts do provide AO. With the rule change, even BBBJ is as illegal as AO fuck, but of course people make a distinction as you said, that BBBJ was a casualty of a rule change aimed at AO.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2593358]I agreed with you previously but don't necessarily agreed with the "they made it" part. Obviously, rules related to allowing AO clubs can't be based on price structure; I. E. , allowing high end high priced AO clubs but disallowing low end, 50 Euro AO clubs, would be illegal, not to mention it sounds elitist and arrogant. I prefer the AO part was somewhat exclusive, perhaps that is the elitist in me talking. But the granting of the licensing alone can't be based on it. Perhaps if they had made the price so high for an AO license, the club would naturally become expensive and exclusive to the high end (to recoup the license fee).

That said, I don't even know if there was a separate license to be an AO club. Why were certain clubs AO and not others? Was it just their branding? Or was it a legal structure too? I do not know. But in any case, now it is moot.

I think the fact that 50 E AO clubs existed tells me that there are a sufficient number of mongers and also girls to make that market a possibility. Of course, the fact that a low end club became AO in no way precludes a high end club to exist as AO; obviously, several high end escorts do provide AO. With the rule change, even BBBJ is as illegal as AO fuck, but of course people make a distinction as you said, that BBBJ was a casualty of a rule change aimed at AO.[/QUOTE]According to new on 2017 German law, AO clubs are forbidden, reason why they write on wall: sex with condom, in pocket, to keep pocket safe, but give bad to German wives when returning home, when AO WGs can be fucked by more than 10 guys per day. More risky than covid in AO RTC which don't respect law.

Can anyone suggest the best price to value hotel room outcall escort city in Europe? The FKK landscape is quit bad right now. I'm looking forward to your advices. Thanks in advanced.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2593358]I agreed with you previously but don't necessarily agreed with the "they made it" part. Obviously, rules related to allowing AO clubs can't be based on price structure; I. E. , allowing high end high priced AO clubs but disallowing low end, 50 Euro AO clubs, would be illegal, not to mention it sounds elitist and arrogant. I prefer the AO part was somewhat exclusive, perhaps that is the elitist in me talking. But the granting of the licensing alone can't be based on it. Perhaps if they had made the price so high for an AO license, the club would naturally become expensive and exclusive to the high end (to recoup the license fee).

That said, I don't even know if there was a separate license to be an AO club. Why were certain clubs AO and not others? Was it just their branding? Or was it a legal structure too? I do not know. But in any case, now it is moot.

I think the fact that 50 E AO clubs existed tells me that there are a sufficient number of mongers and also girls to make that market a possibility. Of course, the fact that a low end club became AO in no way precludes a high end club to exist as AO; obviously, several high end escorts do provide AO. With the rule change, even BBBJ is as illegal as AO fuck, but of course people make a distinction as you said, that BBBJ was a casualty of a rule change aimed at AO.[/QUOTE]I meant that from the standpoint of monger who is willing to pay for premium AO club with proper management as possible on std if it existed and feeling sad about how there was lack of producer side who made such premium AO clubs.

Like with FKK, I am willing to pay extra for premium service for lineup that is only focused on stunner with no tattoo and surgeries. This arguably exit, but arguably, there are clubs where you pay more but in exchange you get the supposed to be stunner only line up that are less tattoo and surgeries which is no longer true for globe LOL! But the concept is still there and Ingo is trying? LOL! But hey service is there, there you pay, you get all the way, the girls are into you so much that feels like honeymoon! What I am saying is that I like the concept, but nobody even tried that concept for AO, only I hear Babylon Vienna and salzberg there is an option for AO if you pay, I never been there though! I know it is really expensive!

Like here, I paid a lot of money for premium girls before, highest was 1500 USD about for 70 minutes in Yen for Maria Ozawa in her prime back in year 2008, and other times for other Eurasian I pay about 450 to 550 including hotel for 2 hours, so it is higher than FKK rates or other rates, but I am willing to pay for stunner level girls and good service.

I wish there was an AO clubs like that and as for controlling of STD, there is limitation no matter how much clubs try, but when you walk outside, you may get hit by a car or when we take plane, it might crush, but risks are not as much as media or some of us horrify it.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2593241]I think the German government should fund the tests and then tax the providers to recoup the test payments but still keep the AO rates at 50 euros or maybe tax the Russian pipeline with tariffs to pay for all the AO testing needed in the bareback clubs. Or a grant from the Bill G HIV foundation maybe.[/QUOTE]I understand low end clubs exist, it is same for brothels! But premium AO clubs would have been the mongers dream place if it existed. Yes, frequent tests are only way to alleviate from std, but risk is always there, what I am saying is that it can be controlled risk if tests are done regularly like every week or every 3rd day or so.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2593424]I meant that from the standpoint of monger who is willing to pay for premium AO club with proper management as possible on std if it existed and feeling sad about how there was lack of producer side who made such premium AO clubs.

Like with FKK, I am willing to pay extra for premium service for lineup that is only focused on stunner with no tattoo and surgeries. This arguably exit, but arguably, there are clubs where you pay more but in exchange you get the supposed to be stunner only line up that are less tattoo and surgeries which is no longer true for globe LOL! But the concept is still there and Ingo is trying? LOL! But hey service is there, there you pay, you get all the way, the girls are into you so much that feels like honeymoon! What I am saying is that I like the concept, but nobody even tried that concept for AO, only I hear Babylon Vienna and salzberg there is an option for AO if you pay, I never been there though! I know it is really expensive!

Like here, I paid a lot of money for premium girls before, highest was 1500 USD about for 70 minutes in Yen for Maria Ozawa in her prime back in year 2008, and other times for other Eurasian I pay about 450 to 550 including hotel for 2 hours, so it is higher than FKK rates or other rates, but I am willing to pay for stunner level girls and good service.

I wish there was an AO clubs like that and as for controlling of STD, there is limitation no matter how much clubs try, but when you walk outside, you may get hit by a car or when we take plane, it might crush, but risks are not as much as media or some of us horrify it.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am with you on these. Doing AO in fuck clubs would not be my cup of tea, in fact it feels a bit gross. Practically speaking, AO is always available through escorts, sugarbabes, and so on; in low income countries I'd imagine much of prostitution involves AO sex; what is somewhat unique about DE is that there are dedicated AO fuck clubs at such low prices (I am not an expert on Brazil, Thailand etc. , so others can comment about AO prevalence there).

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2593467]Yes, I am with you on these. Doing AO in fuck clubs would not be my cup of tea, in fact it feels a bit gross. Practically speaking, AO is always available through escorts, sugarbabes, and so on; in low income countries I'd imagine much of prostitution involves AO sex; what is somewhat unique about DE is that there are dedicated AO fuck clubs at such low prices (I am not an expert on Brazil, Thailand etc. , so others can comment about AO prevalence there).[/QUOTE]Yes, I do AO with escorts as some of these girls are really from close to normal life when they begin when I get first get them and comparison to professional tutes, those type of few escorts girls are cleaner.

Also in Soap land in Japan, it is more or less controlled to some extent as they do AO and if there is problem, it can lead to shut down of the whole industry that is grey, though tolerated as the claim is that clients and lady who wash you in bath with soap fell in love LOL! Odd way to convince, but it is tolerated as necessary platform.

AO is men's normal demand and need, but not necessary though I am sure all of us if given a chance will go for it once in awhile. I just do not feel comfortable in low end ones as more people can afford to go comparison to expensive ones and I doubt for 50 euro price, AO clubs like that can afford to take measures that they could take for STD, nothing is 100 percent, but some measure taken is relief for mongers!

Anyways AO clubs are gone now from surface, and it is shame that there was no premium ones, I would love it if globe did other smaller FKK next to globe and called it globe AO LOL!

Are their any, even if UTR, AO clubs in Frankfurt?

In FKK Land in NRW the 3 G-rule will be enforced: incidence still will matter. But there is only a difference between below 35 or above.

Above 35- FKK land won't close anymore. [URL]https://www.mags.nrw/sites/default/files/asset/document/210817_coronaschvo_ab_20.08.2021.pdf[/URL].

But 3 G will be required with the following.

* Getested, will require now a PCR-TEST

* Geimpft, mean FULLY vaccinated.

* Genesen, means like before that you already had COVID-19- but not longer ago than 6 mts.

(unless a totally different corona-strain or yet another thing changes everything-- but that was always true wasnt it).

So the solution is to try to get covid before one leaves to Germany? Then one can avoid both the testing and vaccination requirements? And how does one prove that he had covid does he just keep a six month old positive test printout and carry that around?

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2593995]In FKK Land in NRW the 3 G-rule will be enforced: incidence still will matter. But there is only a difference between below 35 or above.

Above 35- FKK land won't close anymore. [URL]https://www.mags.nrw/sites/default/files/asset/document/210817_coronaschvo_ab_20.08.2021.pdf[/URL].

But 3 G will be required with the following.

* Getested, will require now a PCR-TEST

* Geimpft, mean FULLY vaccinated..[/QUOTE]

I was doing some research on Japan. So apparently people can live in an internet cafe in Japan and sleep in a private computer room. So then after the computer / hotel then can go to the soapland in lieu of a shower and then go about a normal day without needing a hotel room.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2593878]Yes, I do AO with escorts as some of these girls are really from close to normal life when they begin when I get first get them and comparison to professional tutes, those type of few escorts girls are cleaner.

Also in Soap land in Japan, it is more or less controlled to some extent as they do AO and if there is problem, it can lead to shut down of the whole industry that is grey, though tolerated as the claim is that clients and lady who wash you in bath with soap fell in love LOL! Odd way to convince, but it is tolerated as necessary platform.

AO is men's normal demand and need, but not necessary though I am sure all of us if given a chance will go for it once in awhile. I just do not feel comfortable in low end ones as more people can afford to go comparison to expensive ones and I doubt for 50 euro price, AO clubs like that can afford to take measures that they could take for STD, nothing is 100 percent, but some measure taken is relief for mongers!

Anyways AO clubs are gone now from surface, and it is shame that there was no premium ones, I would love it if globe did other smaller FKK next to globe and called it globe AO LOL![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2593995]In FKK Land in NRW the 3 G-rule will be enforced: incidence still will matter. But there is only a difference between below 35 or above.

Above 35- FKK land won't close anymore. [URL]https://www.mags.nrw/sites/default/files/asset/document/210817_coronaschvo_ab_20.08.2021.pdf[/URL].

But 3 G will be required with the following.

* Getested, will require now a PCR-TEST

* Geimpft, mean FULLY vaccinated.

* Genesen, means like before that you already had COVID-19- but not longer ago than 6 mts.

(unless a totally different corona-strain or yet another thing changes everything-- but that was always true wasnt it).[/QUOTE]Can I clarify. Does this mean you can get in with vaccination pass only or do you need vaccination and PCR?

I assume vaccination pass will be adequate but I don't want to get there and get turned away!

People are constantly bemoaning the current state of FKKs and mourning the good old days.

It seems to me we're at a standoff: The 50 E rate, which hasn't changed for a decade or so, is understandably too low to bring in fresh new girls. If it was higher, there might be more girls and prettier ones too.

On the other hand, the customer is king, and any club that okays a standard rate above 50 E is likely to see fewer customers.

But we often forget there is a third party to this marketplace: What if a club supplemented a girl's earnings? That club might wind up as king and expand the landscape too. Are club margins so tight they can't afford to give a little up to the participants?

Of course, a club can't directly pay the girls, because girls would choose that club just to get the payment, and it would violate the idea of these places as simply marketplaces, turning the club into employers and bringing added responsibilities.

So maybe a club could pay the girls a bonus for each room they occupy? But then that might turn into a new administrative headache for the clubs, tracking how many rooms each girl took.

So maybe lower the entry fees for girls? That would effectively put more money in their pockets. I wonder if any club owner has tried this. Or would that be too aggressive of a move for the scene?

The guys should rate the service level with the desk in a review card. Then at the end of the day the girls who have top level reviews for adhering to the 50 euro pricing should be given a refund of their entry fees and testing fees from the club. This way the best providers are rewarded with extra euros.

And if there are certain new or 18-21 girls, especially beautiful providers they can be given a free trial week for free entry to entice them to start working.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2594056]People are constantly bemoaning the current state of FKKs and mourning the good old days.

It seems to me we're at a standoff: The 50 E rate, which hasn't changed for a decade or so, is understandably too low to bring in fresh new girls. If it was higher, there might be more girls and prettier ones too.

On the other hand, the customer is king, and any club that okays a standard rate above 50 E is likely to see fewer customers.

But we often forget there is a third party to this marketplace: What if a club supplemented a girl's earnings? That club might wind up as king and expand the landscape too. Are club margins so tight they can't afford to give a little up to the participants?

Of course, a club can't directly pay the girls, because girls would choose that club just to get the payment, and it would violate the idea of these places as simply marketplaces, turning the club into employers and bringing added responsibilities.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2593995]In FKK Land in NRW the 3 G-rule will be enforced: incidence still will matter. But there is only a difference between below 35 or above.

Above 35- FKK land won't close anymore. [URL]https://www.mags.nrw/sites/default/files/asset/document/210817_coronaschvo_ab_20.08.2021.pdf[/URL].

But 3 G will be required with the following.

* Getested, will require now a PCR-TEST

* Geimpft, mean FULLY vaccinated.

* Genesen, means like before that you already had COVID-19- but not longer ago than 6 mts.

(unless a totally different corona-strain or yet another thing changes everything-- but that was always true wasnt it).[/QUOTE]Great Information!

Do you know if these rules also apply for the Hessen-area?

For example, Frankfurt has had Inzidenz-Zahlen 35 for a week now.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2594056]People are constantly bemoaning the current state of FKKs and mourning the good old days.

It seems to me we're at a standoff: The 50 E rate, which hasn't changed for a decade or so, is understandably too low to bring in fresh new girls. If it was higher, there might be more girls and prettier ones too.

On the other hand, the customer is king, and any club that okays a standard rate above 50 E is likely to see fewer customers.

But we often forget there is a third party to this marketplace: What if a club supplemented a girl's earnings? That club might wind up as king and expand the landscape too. Are club margins so tight they can't afford to give a little up to the participants?

Of course, a club can't directly pay the girls, because girls would choose that club just to get the payment, and it would violate the idea of these places as simply marketplaces, turning the club into employers and bringing added responsibilities.

So maybe a club could pay the girls a bonus for each room they occupy? But then that might turn into a new administrative headache for the clubs, tracking how many rooms each girl took.

So maybe lower the entry fees for girls? That would effectively put more money in their pockets. I wonder if any club owner has tried this. Or would that be too aggressive of a move for the scene?[/QUOTE]Whether to lower or raise the fees for clients or the girls depends on demand and supply.

If too few (many) clients: lower (raise) the entry fees for clients.

If too few (many) girls: lower (raise) the entry fees for girls, and so on.

It is true that the price for a 1/2 hour room has not changed for more than a decade.

The main reason is that more and more girls from Romania, Moldavia, Bukgaria, etc., entered Germany and the FKK-scene in the period 2015-2019. This pressed the price for sex.

Right now, it seems to be unbalances of both girls and clients in different regions of Germany (many girls are still in Romania or have changed profession, many clients stay home or are restricted to travel).

It will be interesting to see the outcome for the number of clients and girls when the corona fog and, above all, the restrictions have settled.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2594111]Whether to lower or raise the fees for clients or the girls depends on demand oand supply.

If too few (many) clients: lower (raise) the entry fees for clients.

If too few (many) girls: lower (raise) the entry fees for girls, and so on.

It is true that the price for a 1/2 hour room has not changed for more than a decade.

The main reason is that more and more girls from Romania, Moldavia, Bukgaria, etc. , entered Germany and the FKK-scene in the period 2015-2019. This pressed the price for sex.

Right now, it seems to be unbalances of both girls and clients in different regions of Germany (many girls are still in Romania or have changed profession).

It will be interesting to see the outcome for the number of clients and girls when the corona fog and, above all, the restrictions have settled.[/QUOTE]In the world of FKK, when they raise the price, they raise the price because they feel like it to raise the price, why? Because mongers going to pay for it anyways LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2594059]The guys should rate the service level with the desk in a review card. Then at the end of the day the girls who have top level reviews for adhering to the 50 euro pricing should be given a refund of their entry fees and testing fees from the club. This way the best providers are rewarded with extra euros.

And if there are certain new or 18-21 girls, especially beautiful providers they can be given a free trial week for free entry to entice them to start working.[/QUOTE]I'm getting nightmares of girls running around with little paper sheets badgering and browbeating mongers for ratings.

Besides, mongers are already sensitive to having their visits recorded. The card would be one other record that no one wants to support.

The new girl trial week is not a bad idea. I wouldn't be surprised if it's already in effect, though they probably come from their pimps and not quite as gentle: The pimps give the girls a huge loan to get them started, and the girls have to pay it back with interest.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2594266]I'm getting nightmares of girls running around with little paper sheets badgering and browbeating mongers for ratings.

Besides, mongers are already sensitive to having their visits recorded. The card would be one other record that no one wants to support.

The new girl trial week is not a bad idea. I wouldn't be surprised if it's already in effect, though they probably come from their pimps and not quite as gentle: The pimps give the girls a huge loan to get them started, and the girls have to pay it back with interest.[/QUOTE]In FKK, they will just raise rates and charge you, that is the system, but somehow FKK kept it fair enough. Upsells in most parts are reasonable! 150 euro per hour sound ok to me for all inclusive!

And sadly, I expect the price raise in future, but it is all ok, in the worst case, we got globe LOL! High price already, but no upsell!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2594326]In FKK, they will just raise rates and charge you, that is the system, but somehow FKK kept it fair enough. Upsells in most parts are reasonable! 150 euro per hour sound ok to me for all inclusive!

And sadly, I expect the price raise in future, but it is all ok, in the worst case, we got globe LOL! High price already, but no upsell![/QUOTE]No, the system is to keep prices and services steady, that is the beauty of it.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2594059]The guys should rate the service level with the desk in a review card. Then at the end of the day the girls who have top level reviews for adhering to the 50 euro pricing should be given a refund of their entry fees and testing fees from the club. This way the best providers are rewarded with extra euros.

And if there are certain new or 18-21 girls, especially beautiful providers they can be given a free trial week for free entry to entice them to start working.[/QUOTE]Clubs are only interested in raking in the cash and may not be interested in undertaking this extra chore.

What we clients do not appreciate is our power. There should be a special thread on the FKK posting related to rating of girls. There the postings would only be about FKK girls and their ratings by clients. The rating of the performance of the girls is the most important aspect of this system. Of course mention would be made of such things as upselling, short timing, etc.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2594554]No, the system is to keep prices and services steady, that is the beauty of it.[/QUOTE]Yes, but they got their own system in main bar LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2594572]Clubs are only interested in raking in the cash and may not be interested in undertaking this extra chore.

What we clients do not appreciate is our power. There should be a special thread on the FKK posting related to rating of girls. There the postings would only be about FKK girls and their ratings by clients. The rating of the performance of the girls is the most important aspect of this system. Of course mention would be made of such things as upselling, short timing, etc.[/QUOTE]It may benefit mongers, but not the clubs or the girls too much!

You only need a vaccination pass. Period. But if your pass is out of the usual (covpass, covid-app) you may not always find folks able to read dutch or belgian covid-vaccination passes (etc).

[QUOTE=Chris1791;2594040]Can I clarify. Does this mean you can get in with vaccination pass only or do you need vaccination and PCR?

I assume vaccination pass will be adequate but I don't want to get there and get turned away![/QUOTE]

Yup. You need to prove a positive infection (not longer than 6 mts ago. But not less than 1 mts ago).

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2594002]So the solution is to try to get covid before one leaves to Germany? Then one can avoid both the testing and vaccination requirements? And how does one prove that he had covid does he just keep a six month positive test printout and carry that around?[/QUOTE]

I agree. 50 E for top talent is too low.

And I think clubs many times allowed girls to enter for free (during parties etc). This is not a big deal.

I think I can be making peace with 70 E 4 30 min. But 100 E is way too much, imo. 100430 is killing FKK land.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2594056]

It seems to me we're at a standoff: The 50 E rate, which hasn't changed for a decade or so, is understandably too low to bring in fresh new girls. If it was higher, there might be girls and prettier ones too.


So maybe lower the entry fees for girls? That would effectively put money in their pockets. I wonder if any club owner has tried this. Or would that be too aggressive of a move for the scene?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2595920]I agree. 50 E for top talent is too low.

And I think clubs many times allowed girls to enter for free (during parties etc). This is not a big deal.

I think I can be making peace with 70 E 4 30 min. But 100 E is way too much, imo. 100430 is killing FKK land.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%.

RTC and ACAs 50/30.

Comfort clubs 60-70/30.

All happy.

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2595920]I agree. 50 E for top talent is too low.

And I think clubs many times allowed girls to enter for free (during parties etc). This is not a big deal.

I think I can be making peace with 70 E 4 30 min. But 100 E is way too much, imo. 100430 is killing FKK land.[/QUOTE]Loverboys want to buy more Gucci sneakers, nothing more for the top talents, sad.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2595922]I agree 100%.

RTC and ACAs 50/30.

Comfort clubs 60-70/30.

All happy.[/QUOTE]May be but for sure 0 beauty there, good places for the guys looking just for sex but no go places for me, only beauty matters.

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2595920]I agree. 50 E for top talent is too low.

And I think clubs many times allowed girls to enter for free (during parties etc). This is not a big deal.

I think I can be making peace with 70 E 4 30 min. But 100 E is way too much, imo. 100430 is killing FKK land.[/QUOTE]Artemis after reopening apparently raised the entry to 90 euro and session with girls to 70 euro per 30 min as club official price, so hopefully Artemis also raise the service level of girls to Globe level as they are charging 20 euro more per 30 min in German FKK not in swiss FKK! Which Artemis most likely will not LOL!

It is sellers market, they do what they want LOL!

Good news is that stunner may gather at Artemis as they go where the money is!

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2595919]Yup. You need to prove a positive infection (not longer than 6 mts ago. But not less than 1 mts ago).[/QUOTE]So just get a positive test 30 days old and that is the ticket to FKK entries.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2595922]I agree 100%.

RTC and ACAs 50/30.

Comfort clubs 60-70/30.

All happy.[/QUOTE]At the moment, there are large imbalances with girls and mongers at the clubs, mainly due to the Covid-restrictions.

For example, many girls are still in Romania, and mongers stay at home in their countries (few tourists at the clubs now).

Let's wait half a year and see what happens. Then we can conclude what is a fair price for 30 min.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2595922]I agree 100%.

RTC and ACAs 50/30.

Comfort clubs 60-70/30.

All happy.[/QUOTE]For me, beauties worth more expensive than prostitutes images or average looks. I preferred to pay 100/60 for GT busy beauties than 75 for average looks waiting for business and of course I prefer to pay 100/60 for a elegant discovery but I can pay 150/60 for a virgin supermodel look very fresh in bed at Sharks. I prefer to pay more expensive for quality than wasting my money for only average. I had no problem to pay 130/30 for wow, as they said, girls at Globe, but not for girls who were not even top girls in Germany. All girls don't worth same rate for me. Had great beauties for only 40 at Velbert, but what is Prime now?

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2596150]At the moment, there are large imbalances with girls and mongers at the clubs, mainly due to the Covid-restrictions.

For example, many girls are still in Romania, and mongers stay at home in their countries (few tourists at the clubs now).

Let's wait half a year and see what happens. Then we can conclude what is a fair price for 30 min.[/QUOTE]That's also my opinion, actual conditions are transitory.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2596163] All girls don't worth same rate for me.[/QUOTE]Not for me either, totally true statement!

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2596293]Not for me either, totally true statement![/QUOTE]All girls must charge the same thing and you choose your favorites. It is much more fun that way.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2596323]All girls must charge the same thing and you choose your favorites. It is much more fun that way.[/QUOTE]Do you think logic beauties want to be treated on same level than average looks. FKK are not CCCP. I would not pay for not far from 90% FKK girls, but I m happy when I find a beauty on my standard. Then I decide about her rate. No girl never forced me to go to room, even some didn't want I go with other girls.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2596323]All girls must charge the same thing and you choose your favorites. It is much more fun that way.[/QUOTE]That was the concept of club rate but some guys don't really understand. The good girl makes a lot of room so lot of money, the bad girl makes no room so no money.

A) Travelers who are full vaccinated:

Please fill out the digital registration on entry at [URL]https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de[/URL] and carry the confirmation with you when entering the Germany. The confirmation will be checked by the carrier and may also be checked by the Federal Police within the framework of its responsibilities as a border control agency.

This is from website [URL]germany.info.it[/URL] seems that after Aug 15,us citizen need to do this digital form before the flight. I am fully vaccinated and has cdc card ready. Am I still need to be quarantined for 10 days? Anyone who came from USA and just did that, please advise.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2596015]Artemis after reopening apparently raised the entry to 90 euro and session with girls to 70 euro per 30 min as club official price, so hopefully Artemis also raise the service level of girls to Globe level as they are charging 20 euro more per 30 min in German FKK not in swiss FKK! Which Artemis most likely will not LOL!

It is sellers market, they do what they want LOL!

Good news is that stunner may gather at Artemis as they go where the money is![/QUOTE]Good idea to look at Globe as a counterpoint. Their hourly rate is higher. Is the service level higher? From what I've seen, the answer is yes. But do they get more and hotter girls? It seems like Germany is still more popular than Switzerland. So why? Does Globe's higher entry fee or Switzerland's higher cost of living offset the higher fees? Or does the network of FKKs in Germany mean more options for the WGs and make Germany a better place of employment?

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2596600]Good idea to look at Globe as a counterpoint. Their hourly rate is higher. Is the service level higher? From what I've seen, the answer is yes. But do they get more and hotter girls? It seems like Germany is still more popular than Switzerland. So why? Does Globe's higher entry fee or Switzerland's higher cost of living offset the higher fees? Or does the network of FKKs in Germany mean more options for the WGs and make Germany a better place of employment?[/QUOTE]Can find in Germany and Austria prettier girls than now at Globe and in Germany or GT Vienna, higher level in bed than most at Globe. Globe is expensive like Switzerland but not anymore higher level.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2596600]Good idea to look at Globe as a counterpoint. Their hourly rate is higher. Is the service level higher? From what I've seen, the answer is yes. But do they get more and hotter girls? It seems like Germany is still more popular than Switzerland. So why? Does Globe's higher entry fee or Switzerland's higher cost of living offset the higher fees? Or does the network of FKKs in Germany mean more options for the WGs and make Germany a better place of employment?[/QUOTE]To be fair on Globe, they do have stunners always at Globe and yes service level is high as promised without any negotiation, so Ingo did good job there, but it is just that not every girls at globe are stunners as I originally thought when I first went there. My favorite clubs are Globe, Palace and Artemis. I will give another try at Oase when I am in Frankfurt next time I think and I may have to go back to GT as there apparently has been a change of ownership, so even GT did not work for me never from lineup standpoint, if the owner changed to oceans owner, I may give GT another try during summer!

My next FKK trip after pandemic is over will be either Palace or Globe I think! But Artemis can be good for me again with this price increase from standpoint of getting more stunners to gather there, as for upsell, being 11 years in FKK definitely taught me how to handle myself LOL!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2596377]That was the concept of club rate but some guys don't really understand. The good girl makes a lot of room so lot of money, the bad girl makes no room so no money.[/QUOTE]The concept and the reality is different LOL! Do you ever think about that? LOL!

[QUOTE=DaWong949;2596446]A) Travelers who are full vaccinated:

Please fill out the digital registration on entry at [URL]https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de[/URL] and carry the confirmation with you when entering the Germany. The confirmation will be checked by the carrier and may also be checked by the Federal Police within the framework of its responsibilities as a border control agency.

This is from website [URL]germany.info.it[/URL] seems that after Aug 15,us citizen need to do this digital form before the flight. I am fully vaccinated and has cdc card ready. Am I still need to be quarantined for 10 days? Anyone who came from USA and just did that, please advise.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Full vaccination status exempts you from quarantine when travelling from a high-risk area such as the United States. This is also specified when you start the registration process on [URL]https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de[/URL].

Currently only travellers from virus variant areas are required to quarantine even if they are fully vaccinated, but there are no areas defined as such as of yet by [URL]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2596603]Can find in Germany and Austria prettier girls than now at Globe and in Germany or GT Vienna, higher level in bed than most at Globe. Globe is expensive like Switzerland but not anymore higher level.[/QUOTE]So maybe the club owners have it right: Raising the 50 E fees won't do anything for the quantity or quality of women.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2596726]So maybe the club owners have it right: Raising the 50 E fees won't do anything for the quantity or quality of women.[/QUOTE]My meaning was Globe fell for quality, with now mostly girls coming from Germany and not the best ones, some putting silicon between, but not many fresh girls anymore. Don t worth anymore expensive rate there, when can find better for less expensive. I also think all girls don t worth same rate. Fresh natural beauties looking like elegant woman worth more expensive for me than prostitutes images, like many silicon and painted tattooed and I don t pay for many FKK girls when I would not go for free outside.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2596615]To be fair on Globe, they do have stunners always at Globe and yes service level is high as promised without any negotiation, so Ingo did good job there, but it is just that not every girls at globe are stunners as I originally thought when I first went there. My favorite clubs are Globe, Palace and Artemis. I will give another try at Oase when I am in Frankfurt next time I think and I may have to go back to GT as there apparently has been a change of ownership, so even GT did not work for me never from lineup standpoint, if the owner changed to oceans owner, I may give GT another try during summer!

My next FKK trip after pandemic is over will be either Palace or Globe I think! But Artemis can be good for me again with this price increase from standpoint of getting more stunners to gather there, as for upsell, being 11 years in FKK definitely taught me how to handle myself LOL![/QUOTE]Palace and Artemis are just a nightmare, why travelling from Japan for those terrible places?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2596730]My meaning was Globe fell for quality, with now mostly girls coming from Germany and not the best ones, some putting silicon between, but not many fresh girls anymore. Don t worth anymore expensive rate there, when can find better for less expensive. I also think all girls don t worth same rate. Fresh natural beauties looking like elegant woman worth more expensive for me than prostitutes images, like many silicon and painted tattooed and I don t pay for many FKK girls when I would not go for free outside.[/QUOTE]Just leave the bad ones but please don't pretend that they are worth more, this is pure nonsense.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2596731]Palace and Artemis are just a nightmare, why travelling from Japan for those terrible places?[/QUOTE]I don't know Artemis, but Palace is higher level for club, foods, rooms than Globe, and worth to sometimes find a wow look like Leana, rare beauty.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2596731]Palace and Artemis are just a nightmare, why travelling from Japan for those terrible places?[/QUOTE]My tastes are like his.

If I were to answer for him I'd say the "vendors" staffing those clubs are a little more womanly, sophisticated and Western European (although pricey too) than the favored clubs like Oase and Sharks which lean towards girlish, small town and Eastern European.

The former may be more exotic to someone coming from Japan than the latter, which has plenty of girlish aesthetic.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2596731]Palace and Artemis are just a nightmare, why travelling from Japan for those terrible places?[/QUOTE]No, it is not, all the best session I had and my best session involve more intense sex than others as it involve rimming etc were somehow in Artemis and Palace.

Now, I got you, it is upsell clubs, but somehow with me with some negotiation turned out to be the club that offered my I do not believe this stunner just did that for me sex.

As for Artemis and not in palace, but I had few session that I got it all from top stunners for just 60 euro! It was rare, but happened few times in 11 years in FKK! In Palace, no unfortunately, but with bit more money of 150 euro per hour, I always got what I want how I want at both Artemis and palace. Beside upsell reputation that I agree with you, I always had best time with best stunners I found between all these older plastic monsters! I always wait hours till I find the one that satisfy my eyes though and as I wrote before, it is really hours that I sit and wait till the right on walks in LOL! Globe always worked for me as well! Oase I will give another try! But had one session at Oase that was terrible and was only one bad session in all my FKK experience!

Nrw never really worked for me, it is good! But not good enough! Sharks never worked for me either. I fucked stunners there, but was harder to find and somehow it was off!

For me best was Artemis between 2010 to 2015 ish and palace around 2014 ish to 2016. Artemis line up was back to quite good in summer 2019 before pandemic, now I do not know! I hear they raise the price!

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2596750]Just leave the bad ones but please don't pretend that they are worth more, this is pure nonsense.[/QUOTE]Maybe he had bad experience. For me, I first went to Globe thinking it is almost all stunner club, which was not, but eventually I came to understand that Globe is the club that always have one or two or even three stunners with good service guaranteed. It always satisfied my in globe! So beside the higher price setting, Ingo guy did really good job with that club for service and line up!

Now maybe, Globe used to have almost full stunner, but I first went there in 2016 or something like that, so I do not know how Globe was before! I wish I found globe in 2006 or something upon its opening!

Conclusion, I like globe very much!

But all FKK are good, it never failed me!

Globe was excellent at that time, and way cheaper also.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2596750]Just leave the bad ones but please don't pretend that they are worth more, this is pure nonsense.[/QUOTE]If you know a bit about FKK land, girls say: this guy go everywhere, I enjoyed some beauties at Velbert or Gold for 40/30, had some times with GT superstar Kate for only 40 at Velbert before, for our rooms on late night and no rush, even we had more 80/60 rooms, when I left many times claimed king, 130/30, Globe full heavy balls and also on my 2 visits at Aphrodisia when I chose to visit twice on best casting time, but no wow image worthing 260/30 or 460/60. From this view of business, I understood only few beauties looking like women and many prostitutes who don t interest me. I m not a grocer, I always try to avoid to speak about money with girls when killing my desire, but when attractive ones are rare for me, even at Globe, I won't miss one for few euros when I will always prefer quality and have less rooms than wasting my money fucking all holes. But just my subjective way from a different guy who look for dream in all what I do.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2596993]Globe was excellent at that time, and way cheaper also.[/QUOTE]Since at least 2016, Globe is 140 CHF /30 with CIM for 100 and anal for 200, not what I think cheap, when Russian escorts rate. Fortunately, no girl never proposed me anal there. On 2021, only 3 girls there worth such expensive rate when I would not go with many for German rate 50/30. When and how many times did You visit there when some think they are expert after 3/4 visits and no visit since covid. But I agree Globe girls were higher level for elegance and charm before compare to porn now.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2596993]Globe was excellent at that time, and way cheaper also.[/QUOTE]Way cheaper back then? Really, if so, I definitely missed out on globe till 2016 when I first went there LOL!

Well, better late than never hey?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2596845]No, it is not, all the best session I had and my best session involve more intense sex than others as it involve rimming etc were somehow in Artemis and Palace.

Now, I got you, it is upsell clubs, but somehow with me with some negotiation turned out to be the club that offered my I do not believe this stunner just did that for me sex.

As for Artemis and not in palace, but I had few session that I got it all from top stunners for just 60 euro! It was rare, but happened few times in 11 years in FKK! In Palace, no unfortunately, but with bit more money of 150 euro per hour, I always got what I want how I want at both Artemis and palace. Beside upsell reputation that I agree with you, I always had best time with best stunners I found between all these older plastic monsters! I always wait hours till I find the one that satisfy my eyes though and as I wrote before, it is really hours that I sit and wait till the right on walks in LOL! Globe always worked for me as well! Oase I will give another try! But had one session at Oase that was terrible and was only one bad session in all my FKK experience!

Nrw never really worked for me, it is good! But not good enough! Sharks never worked for me either. I fucked stunners there, but was harder to find and somehow it was off!

For me best was Artemis between 2010 to 2015 ish and palace around 2014 ish to 2016. Artemis line up was back to quite good in summer 2019 before pandemic, now I do not know! I hear they raise the price![/QUOTE]Both clubs have mostly veteran girls working before in other FKK or in brothels. Before, the girls are very pro, too pro for me also they are in average older than in Shark or Oase without speaking about the sili, Botox, tattoos, smoking which are all no go features for me.

All,

Sorry about asking the question that must have been asked before. How is the German FKK scene now for visitors from USA, post-Covid? Are the clubs open? Are there restrictions? Any requirements (recent test, vaccine status, etc)?

Thank you in advance.

How can one retire from mongering? I mean there are so many beautiful girls of all skin colors and all different ethnicity, how can a man stop or not mongering?

Even I am 70, I will keep on mongering and even I am 90, I will keep on mongering, if I cannot get it up then with any medicine, I will monger to just lick beautiful stunners and make them lick me everywhere LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2597413]Both clubs have mostly veteran girls working before in other FKK or in brothels. Before, the girls are very pro, too pro for me also they are in average older than in Shark or Oase without speaking about the sili, Botox, tattoos, smoking which are all no go features for me.[/QUOTE]I agree to some extent, but it is between those plastic older monsters that you find rare young beautiful stunner who has been to few clubs! But in general I agree with you about majority of line up at palace and Artemis.

Oase, I will give another try and for shark, I found stunners yes, but it never really worked for me and I hate the lighting there, it is magic lighting! So I always stand at entrance region of the restaurant place where the water server is because that is only area where light is good enough to see true face of wg unless it is summer and outside area is open!

[QUOTE=NyyRanger;2597450]All,

Sorry about asking the question that must have been asked before. How is the German FKK scene now for visitors from USA, post-Covid? Are the clubs open? Are there restrictions? Any requirements (recent test, vaccine status, etc)?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]Many clubs are open right now. Hessen is higher level than NRW under PCR if not 2 G, when most of girls are not vaccinated. Nobody know for future when September should be fourth wave delta peak. Germany and France chose for third dose for weak.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2597499]How can one retire from mongering? I mean there are so many beautiful girls of all skin colors and all different ethnicity, how can a man stop or not mongering?

Even I am 70, I will keep on mongering and even I am 90, I will keep on mongering, if I cannot get it up then with any medicine, I will monger to just lick beautiful stunners and make them lick me everywhere LOL![/QUOTE]One only retired by means of death.

Marriage is the ultimate form of mongering however, but most of us here are scared to take it that far due to the costs.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2598199]One only retired by means of death.

Marriage is the ultimate form of mongering however, but most of us here are scared to take it that far due to the costs.[/QUOTE]Ultimate mongering is marriage? Bad quality one for sure, but you may get quantity of sex from one single woman that will goes down in quality LOL!

It is not just cost, that is also for normal relationship, but it is cost for other things beside money as well, it is nerve, not much in it for men beside children really. If you are into children, then do marry as I believe every children should have loving home, but other than that, it is not for 21st century if a man can think with their own brain and are independent and have means to get good quality pussies constantly, which some of us managed to do LOL!

Some of the Italian TV presenter is really beautiful girls and some of the Romanian stunners I fucked in FKK looks like them! Romanian stunners look like Italian beautiful stunners, no wonder why Romanian FKK WG claim to be Spanish or Italian LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2598199]One only retired by means of death.

Marriage is the ultimate form of mongering however, but most of us here are scared to take it that far due to the costs.[/QUOTE]Normal relationship is much more complicated than so easy and fast paid sex, but just failure, when being able to build a relationship lasting for long is much more to be proud about. None of my girlfriends never asked me money, they were too proud and wanted to have a so perfect image. I would have saved not far from 500 000 € if I respected my promise.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2598346]Some of the Italian TV presenter is really beautiful girls and some of the Romanian stunners I fucked in FKK looks like them! Romanian stunners look like Italian beautiful stunners, no wonder why Romanian FKK WG claim to be Spanish or Italian LOL![/QUOTE]Don't forget to mop the floor after you watch Italian news on your tv at home.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2597499]How can one retire from mongering? I mean there are so many beautiful girls of all skin colors and all different ethnicity, how can a man stop or not mongering?

Even I am 70, I will keep on mongering and even I am 90, I will keep on mongering, if I cannot get it up then with any medicine, I will monger to just lick beautiful stunners and make them lick me everywhere LOL![/QUOTE]The answer is very simple you just need to replace the word mongering by alcohol, drug. Why some people stop drinking because they believe that without alcohol their life is better.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2598545]Don't forget to mop the floor after you watch Italian news on your tv at home.[/QUOTE]I explode in my pant thinking about the time I fucked them LOL! And I shall fuck another them again LOL! I just hope the Romanian line up in FKK will not decrease as we advance into future, but considering the mess in Romania especially in economic sector due to politic and corruption, I think we are ok for next few decades! Down side of the economy is how we mongers benefit!

Additionally, the system to send girls to FKK from Romania is so established that it won't be destroyed easily, once human know something make a lot of money and once such system is properly established, it is there to stay! This system is bit like Iphone of FKK industry, it is a platform to send Romanian beauties to FKK! I hope some other nations will follow like Ukraine! And of course some German stunners in line up is always big plus for me!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2598557]The answer is very simple you just need to replace the word mongering by alcohol, drug. Why some people stop drinking because they believe that without alcohol their life is better.[/QUOTE]Alcohol and drugs are not basic human appetite as we in fact do not need them, those are extra human appetite!

But sex with beautiful girl is basic human appetite as a man that is suppressed due to religion and society oppression!

We need to have sex, but alcohol and drug we do not need as human!

Now the amount of sex we need with numbers of partners differ from each person, we mongers need more, that is the difference LOL!

I will never fucking top level working girl in looks and performance! I love fucking beautiful girls of all skin color! That is the life as a man in 21st century and late 20th century, it is there to grab, so I as well as some of smart monger went a head and grab LOL!

[QUOTE=NyyRanger;2597450]All,

Sorry about asking the question that must have been asked before. How is the German FKK scene now for visitors from USA, post-Covid? Are the clubs open? Are there restrictions? Any requirements (recent test, vaccine status, etc)?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]The scene right now is that we are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at stars LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2598557]The answer is very simple you just need to replace the word mongering by alcohol, drug.....[/QUOTE]Some people when they give up mongering they increase use of alcohol and drugs.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2598887]Some people when they give up mongering they increase use of alcohol and drugs.[/QUOTE]When I remember all beauties I enjoyed, some weekly for months, when yesterday I was just happy to repeat with my 2 girls at Sharks after 1 month, for sure, much better than alcohol and drugs. Only adrenaline is higher.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2598887]Some people when they give up mongering they increase use of alcohol and drugs.[/QUOTE]Yes but a lot starting by me, succeed not to replace a addiction by another. Being free is not fucking prostitutes or drinking. But really controlling our life.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2598727]Alcohol and drugs are not basic human appetite as we in fact do not need them, those are extra human appetite!

But sex with beautiful girl is basic human appetite as a man that is suppressed due to religion and society oppression!

We need to have sex, but alcohol and drug we do not need as human!

Now the amount of sex we need with numbers of partners differ from each person, we mongers need more, that is the difference LOL!

I will never fucking top level working girl in looks and performance! I love fucking beautiful girls of all skin color! That is the life as a man in 21st century and late 20th century, it is there to grab, so I as well as some of smart monger went a head and grab LOL![/QUOTE]Really I am not online with you, you try to convince yourself by saying that "sex with beautiful girl is a basic human appetite", just have a look about how many guys are fucking prostitutes it is a really small percentage. To see if you are addict just stop for 1 or 2 years to pay for sex and see how many beautiful girls you are able to seduce.

Hey guys,

I know this club is technically in Austria (on the German border), but FKK Mystic is indeed open and was fantastic! 1.5 HR drive from Munich (where all the FKKs are still closed). Check out my post in the Austria. Salzburg forum!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2598924]To see if you are addict just stop for 1 or 2 years to pay for sex and see how many beautiful girls you are able to seduce.[/QUOTE]Zero is my guess.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2598924]Really I am not online with you, you try to convince yourself by saying that "sex with beautiful girl is a basic human appetite", just have a look about how many guys are fucking prostitutes it is a really small percentage. To see if you are addict just stop for 1 or 2 years to pay for sex and see how many beautiful girls you are able to seduce.[/QUOTE]Sex with a beautiful girl is basic human appetite that most men cannot achieve due to their failed capability and go out and get it whether paid or unpaid LOL!

So with your mind set, you think it is human appetite to fuck ugly old women? LOL! It is so for most guys due to their limited capability LOL! This is true LOL!

All men want to fuck young beautiful girls, but they cannot paid or paid due to their capability, this is true too LOL!

Me stop fucking young stunners for one, two years you said? Hell no! I have been fucking most young beautiful stunners since I was 17 every single year till now I am 41 for past 24 years and this will continue LOL!

Oh by the way, I also love fine food too, expensive or inexpensive I love good food and constantly look for good food, I am type of guy who is willing to walk one hour to get good food instead of walk 10 min for ok food, whether that is fine dining restaurant or kebab, but is that make me addict too? LOL!

Men wanting to fuck young beautiful girl is normal basic human appetite that most men cannot achieve and yes you are right I am that 1% who can and who did LOL! I lived it, they didn't LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2598887]Some people when they give up mongering they increase use of alcohol and drugs.[/QUOTE]Some people when they give up mongering, they increase the use of right hand or masturbation hole with good gel LOL!

Like during pandemic lock down LOL! That is still on going LOL!

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2599042]Zero is my guess.[/QUOTE]That is you, but look, it won't happen, every year I will fuck new beautiful stunners, but this year only one which at least is I am honest about things which is rare in this forum LOL I am not going to travel this year and I am not taking this vaccines, so only Eurasian stunner for me is the choice to my taste and it is harder to find stunner level, but I did find the summer of stunner Eurasian this summer that I went bareback and cum inside LOL! Ultimate soap land experience LOL! 2 hours 650 usd in yen, but it was worth every second LOL!

One thing for efficient mongering is that, it is amazing experience that echoes in eternity LOL! Why the hell would I stop fucking beautiful girls? It is basic human need of men that only 1% can achieve and myself and some of very few men here on this forum achieve that ultimate stage in life as a man LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2599074]Some people when they give up mongering, they increase the use of right hand or masturbation hole with good gel LOL!

Like during pandemic lock down LOL! That is still on going LOL![/QUOTE]Sex is not forbidden or restricted, probably 99.9% of the men have sex without fucking prostitutes, I am still able to fuck girls who are 20 or 25 years younger than me without having to pay, advice you to put your energy in that probably you will get far higher satisfaction than putting 50 euro on the table in a FKK and the girl open her legs.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2598923]Yes but a lot starting by me, succeed not to replace a addiction by another. Being free is not fucking prostitutes or drinking. But really controlling our life.[/QUOTE]What good is a controlled life with no pleasure, walking around with a frown always on your face trying to get people to stop drinking and having sex.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2599328]What good is a controlled life with no pleasure, walking around with a frown always on your face trying to get people to stop drinking and having sex.[/QUOTE]People with addictions always try to take other people with them so they don t feel so alone, others try to take the others to another level with more freedom and control of their life, you definitively choose the first option the easiest way for sure.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2599330]People with addictions always try to take other people with them so they don t feel so alone, others try to take the others to another level with more freedom and control of their life, you definitively choose the first option the easiest way for sure.[/QUOTE]What about guys with 1000's and 1000's and 1000's of posts on ISG? More freedom and control? Debate amongst yourselves please.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2599153]That is you, but look, it won't happen, every year I will fuck new beautiful stunners, but this year only one which at least is I am honest about things which is rare in this forum LOL I am not going to travel this year and I am not taking this vaccines, so only Eurasian stunner for me is the choice to my taste and it is harder to find stunner level, but I did find the summer of stunner Eurasian this summer that I went bareback and cum inside LOL! Ultimate soap land experience LOL! 2 hours 650 usd in yen, but it was worth every second LOL!

One thing for efficient mongering is that, it is amazing experience that echoes in eternity LOL! Why the hell would I stop fucking beautiful girls? It is basic human need of men that only 1% can achieve and myself and some of very few men here on this forum achieve that ultimate stage in life as a man LOL![/QUOTE]Good thinking, and good work during all these stupid lockdowns. So, now you are getting into actually fucking the girls, not just fuck the condoms. Welcome to the club, mate!

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2599042]Zero is my guess.[/QUOTE]LMAO. That really cracked me up. That's why we go to FKK. If you can't get it for free, you pay for it. There is no free lunch. ROTFL.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2599253]Sex is not forbidden or restricted, probably 99.9% of the men have sex without fucking prostitutes, I am still able to fuck girls who are 20 or 25 years younger than me without having to pay, advice you to put your energy in that probably you will get far higher satisfaction than putting 50 euro on the table in a FKK and the girl open her legs.[/QUOTE]Oh wow really, you are able to still fuck girls who are 20 or 25 years younger than you said who, you LOL! Well, let say if we were to trust that, but the quality of them is most likely real bad and also the amount of dinners, and all the bullshits you have to invest into makes me thing, you still did not learn at your age? LOL! Put it this way, you might like the process of getting to sex, me, I just want sex! Fair agreement point there!

Your satisfaction and quality standard is far lower than mine to even debate this and it quality that matter, but quality of looks for me, but for you it is quality of hanging around and wasting the time and money on getting the women who is 20 years and 25 years younger than you as you claim LOL!

Well, those who believe might be saved, but again you like the process, I just want good sex, and for hanging around, I got friends and pet, I do not need to do that with girls I fuck, girls I fuck just have to look amazingly stunner, young, and let me do what ever I want to do like lick my ass and put tongue inside my ass etc LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2599446]Oh wow really, you are able to still fuck girls who are 20 or 25 years younger than you said who, you LOL! Well, let say if we were to trust that, but the quality of them is most likely real bad and also the amount of dinners, and all the bullshits you have to invest into makes me thing, you still did not learn at your age? LOL! Put it this way, you might like the process of getting to sex, me, I just want sex! Fair agreement point there!

Your satisfaction and quality standard is far lower than mine to even debate this and it quality that matter, but quality of looks for me, but for you it is quality of hanging around and wasting the time and money on getting the women who is 20 years and 25 years younger than you as you claim LOL!

Well, those who believe might be saved, but again you like the process, I just want good sex, and for hanging around, I got friends and pet, I do not need to do that with girls I fuck, girls I fuck just have to look amazingly stunner, young, and let me do what ever I want to do like lick my ass and put tongue inside my ass etc LOL![/QUOTE]Of course you have to pay some restaurant, it is just social interaction, and by meeting people you can always learn something, better that to listen to HI BABY in the FKK. Could be interesting that you share with your psychiatric why you are that focused on getting your asshole licked by a beauty after travelling 12000 kilometers.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2599423]Good thinking, and good work during all these stupid lockdowns. So, now you are getting into actually fucking the girls, not just fuck the condoms. Welcome to the club, mate![/QUOTE]I won't monger again this year or will be few times as Eurasian stunners are hard to find here and my standard and hurdle for stunner is high and it is getting higher and higher LOL! Good Mongering syndrome this us LOL!

But above all, I am taking this covid-19 seriously and as I mentioned, I choose not to take vaccines as of this moment even though I can take it here for past few months for my age group, so I am really restricting my out and about and who to meet, so I am in self isolation till this thing become group immune, so I think I won't monger again, or I might do the spot mongering like I did last month, just fuck one stunner that I found and stay away from mongering for awhile till I find new stunner of stunner.

Usually, I repeat once I find Eurasian stunner here, and the one I found was real stunner of stunner Eurasian, but I have to be discipline and let her go and it was amazing session, so I did her right. I won't go that far to risk my health and lung as I fucked so many stunners anyways, so till this pandemic is over or become group immune or virus itself become like flu level virus by getting weaken, I won't be mongering like I used to and it could be better, sure, but it could be worst, so it is fine by me.

Just for the record, it is all open here as there is no forced law to close soap land or delivery health or even restaurant etc, but I self disciplined myself and stayed away and focus on my masturbation hole LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2599330]People with addictions always try to take other people with them so they don t feel so alone, others try to take the others to another level with more freedom and control of their life, you definitively choose the first option the easiest way for sure.[/QUOTE]I eat 3 times a day that does not make me a food addict. I satisfy my hunger and nourish my body. Same thing with sex. Sex is part of nature and is a healthy activity criticized and suppressed by perverted religious zealots and deviants. I find that people who advise others not to have sex are either impotent / frigid, religious freaks or have a history of sexual repression. Probably a combination of all if such advice is given on a sex forum.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2599675]I eat 3 times a day that does not make me a food addict. I satisfy my hunger and nourish my body. Same thing with sex. Sex is part of nature and is a healthy activity criticized and suppressed by perverted religious zealots and deviants. I find that people who advise others not to have sex are either impotent / frigid, religious freaks or have a history of sexual repression. Probably a combination of all if such advice is given on a sex forum.[/QUOTE]Well said and one of my favourite of these hypocrites is the disgraced evangelical pastor Ted Arthur Haggard, who criticized and bash the gays and then admitted to having had several encounters with a male prostitute and with a younger guy. I always knew his lips were great for blowing people off! Haggard used to say to the guy: 'You know what, Grant, you can become a man of God, and you can have a little bit of fun on the side."

So, in conclusion, FKKers are also men of God that just happen to have a little more fun on the side!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2599675]I eat 3 times a day that does not make me a food addict. I satisfy my hunger and nourish my body. Same thing with sex. Sex is part of nature and is a healthy activity criticized and suppressed by perverted religious zealots and deviants. I find that people who advise others not to have sex are either impotent / frigid, religious freaks or have a history of sexual repression. Probably a combination of all if such advice is given on a sex forum.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, some are frustrated in brothels, when sex is a good therapy to relax, like sports.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2599675]I eat 3 times a day that does not make me a food addict. I satisfy my hunger and nourish my body. Same thing with sex. Sex is part of nature and is a healthy activity criticized and suppressed by perverted religious zealots and deviants. I find that people who advise others not to have sex are either impotent / frigid, religious freaks or have a history of sexual repression. Probably a combination of all if such advice is given on a sex forum.[/QUOTE]You try to play the rule of the stupid guy that you are not. Obviously you can have so many time sex every day you want the question is why with prostitutes and why paying for it. I don't believe in any religion and God doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2599675]I find that people who advise others not to have sex are either impotent / frigid, religious freaks or have a history of sexual repression. Probably a combination of all if such advice is given on a sex forum.[/QUOTE]During my university years, I always seemed to be a target for the religious freaks looking for a convert.

The guys invariably would state that they used to sleep around with girls, etc. Until they found god.

Being a virgin, I would always think to myself, "Man, you're barking up the wrong tree here. I would love to be able to sleep around like you're describing, so I don't think I'll be joining your church anytime soon."

I mean, telling me it isn't all that great and that it's evil when I haven't experienced it yet was just the wrong approach.

And after being able to experience it (even if some involved trading goods), I know they are full of it.

The gals had a better approach. I'd get invited to a party and it was only when I showed up that I saw the indicators that "Nope. No chance at finding a girl that might consider sleeping with me here."

[QUOTE=Turgid;2599675]I eat 3 times a day that does not make me a food addict. I satisfy my hunger and nourish my body. Same thing with sex. Sex is part of nature and is a healthy activity criticized and suppressed by perverted religious zealots and deviants. [/QUOTE]Agreed both are healthy human and natural needs. But one can over over consume food. And one can also overconsume sex.

Ironically, in another thread Siri accused Expat of being "addicted" to the forum. I do believe that there are many people out there with undiagnosed depression. To the point, that they would rather do something repetitive and mind numbing (video games or internet forums or spending all waking hours in a brothel) to avoid real life. This can lead them to neglect their health and physical appearance: never exercising, never cleaning their flat, never brushing their teeth, showing up late to work.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2599720]You try to play the rule of the stupid guy that you are not. Obviously you can have so many time sex every day you want the question is why with prostitutes and why paying for it. I don't believe in any religion and God doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]The real question is why you talk about your anti prostitutes mantra on sex forum where hardcore mongers such as myself and some others are the pro fucking young beautiful girls with money because we tend to find it to be very amazing experience as a man and more efficient as we like to fuck quality women in quantity unlike you LOL!

The problem with your mindset and character is this, you do not believe in any religion or god you said, well some others may do, so do not put your very fixed mentality on others because some people tend to like religion and god, so let them be.

Same with fucking young beautiful girls with money, some people love that as it is fun, amazing experience and above all, it is more efficient than taking girls out, pay for dinner, talk some bullshit and connect with humans I do not want to connect with beside connect my penis with her pussy, mouth and her anal LOL!

It is each their own and let them be because this is sex forum, you are in wrong forum to preach your fixed mind set and it is shame you said you do not believe in any religion or god because what you are saying here on sex forum fit right in some religion forum of some fixed mindset group of people who denounce mongering and go home and masturbate front of PC LOL!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2599754]Agreed both are healthy human and natural needs. But one can over over consume food. And one can also overconsume sex.

Ironically, in another thread Siri accused Expat of being "addicted" to the forum. I do believe that there are many people out there with undiagnosed depression. To the point, that they would rather do something repetitive and mind numbing (video games or internet forums or spending all waking hours in a brothel) to avoid real life. This can lead them to neglect their health and physical appearance: never exercising, never cleaning their flat, never brushing their teeth, showing up late to work.[/QUOTE]Addicted to the forum? It takes me about 3 to 5 min to write my posts, and I go on sex forum in the morning, sometimes during the day and at night before I go to bed, and writing and communicating about mongering online is good thing because we mongers, well at least I cannot talk about mongering in my private life, only very few friends know about my hobby and I have very serious decent reputation, they do not know that I am getting my anal cleaned by 20 years old stunners LOL!

Put it this way, it is simple, as long as one is not lost in FKK with some prostitutes thinking she loves you or think of you as special or overspending your money to the extent you cannot control finance or some neglect that you mentioned in your post, you are not addict.

If I live in Germany, I will frequent FKK, but let say in Berlin, I will not join gym, but use Artemis as my gym 2 to 3 times per week as that is the times I work out and I combine that with sex and spa time, so I be in Artemis 2 to 3 times per week for all my life and I do not consider that as addict as I simply can afford that and above all, I am there for good sex and good sex only with the best stunners LOL!

But there are those who are lost in FKK, thinking these girls are real to you, and those who cannot stop spending, now that is an addict. We have those addicts here or lost ones who mumble about how he is special to such girl because she said so and she fuck good etc, FKK is brothel where you pay, fuck good, do what you want more or less and pay and leave with good memory, it is not the place to make friends.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2599754]I do believe that there are many people out there with undiagnosed depression. To the point, that they would rather do something repetitive and mind numbing (video games or internet forums or spending all waking hours in a brothel) to avoid real life.[/QUOTE]I agree that anyone with 1000's of posts on an internet forum such as this is basically suspect. Certainly it reveals a probable tendency towards depression or obsession. A forum like this should be about reports and information about women and hooker establishments and not general chit-chat and argument. One wonders if the members who engage in constant argument and chit-chat have ever actually been inside a FKK. Maybe they visited once 5 years ago and have been constantly posting about it ever since. Less quantity and more quality is very badly needed here.

[QUOTE=NuttyLoon;2599751]During my university years, I always seemed to be a target for the religious freaks looking for a convert.

The guys invariably would state that they used to sleep around with girls, etc. Until they found god.

Being a virgin, I would always think to myself, "Man, you're barking up the wrong tree here. I would love to be able to sleep around like you're describing, so I don't think I'll be joining your church anytime soon."

I mean, telling me it isn't all that great and that it's evil when I haven't experienced it yet was just the wrong approach.

And after being able to experience it (even if some involved trading goods), I know they are full of it.

The gals had a better approach. I'd get invited to a party and it was only when I showed up that I saw the indicators that "Nope. No chance at finding a girl that might consider sleeping with me here."[/QUOTE]For mongers, real religion is stunner's pussies, anal, and mouths LOL! Putting penis inside those beautiful magic holes set everything straight LOL! There is something spiritual in those beautiful holes LOL!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2599754]Agreed both are healthy human and natural needs. But one can over over consume food. And one can also overconsume sex.

Ironically, in another thread Siri accused Expat of being "addicted" to the forum. I do believe that there are many people out there with undiagnosed depression. To the point, that they would rather do something repetitive and mind numbing (video games or internet forums or spending all waking hours in a brothel) to avoid real life. This can lead them to neglect their health and physical appearance: never exercising, never cleaning their flat, never brushing their teeth, showing up late to work.[/QUOTE]Boredom, addiction, even obsession, these are all traits that overlap on a Venn diagram of a psychological background. I wouldn't be so quick to diagnose depression as it is often the lazy diagnosis because.

1.) it is the easier pill for patients to swallow.

And.

2.) interventions for depression, whether lifestyle or pharmaceutical, can treat more insidious psychological illness.

Most serial posters here I suspect do not suffer from simple depression, some issues of self esteem covered with feigned arrogance perhaps. The most colorful mostly likely should not be diagnosed with depression. Some deeper pathologies are likely: manic-depressive disorder, behavioral disorders, psycho-neuro developmental disorders, and even personality disorders with psychosis.

It's the mild mannered ones, especially those guilty of sporadic outburst, who can be diagnosed with actual depression.

[QUOTE=AlbertBundy;2599818]I agree that anyone with 1000's of posts on an internet forum such as this is basically suspect. Certainly it reveals a probable tendency towards depression or obsession. A forum like this should be about reports and information about women and hooker establishments and not general chit-chat and argument. One wonders if the members who engage in constant argument and chit-chat have ever actually been inside a FKK. Maybe they visited once 5 years ago and have been constantly posting about it ever since. Less quantity and more quality is very badly needed here.[/QUOTE]And what about those with 10, if you are speaking about me, I went to mostly all the FKK in Europe and 100+ in each big one in Germany. For example 2 days back I was in Wellcum.

[QUOTE=AlbertBundy;2599818]One wonders if the members who engage in constant argument and chit-chat have ever actually been inside a FKK. Maybe they visited once 5 years ago and have been constantly posting about it ever since. Less quantity and more quality is very badly needed here.[/QUOTE]I do not really read or scrutinize field reports, but some senior posters have noted inconsistencies and have essentially accused other posters of posting fake field reports. If that is the case, I would wonder if the faker was knowingly posting fake reports or if he actually imagined himself to have been there.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2599815]Put it this way, it is simple, as long as one is not lost in FKK with some prostitutes thinking she loves you or think of you as special or overspending your money to the extent you cannot control finance or some neglect that you mentioned in your post, you are not addict.
[/QUOTE]Compulsive sexual behavior might not even include a prostitute or even a woman. It could be compulsively engaging in a solitary sexual act such as masturbation. Or compulsively thinking about sex.

[QUOTE]Persistent sexual thoughts interfere with their ability to work, maintain relationships, and complete their daily activities.

repetitive sexual activities that become a central focus of the persons life, to the point of neglecting health and personal care or other interests, activities, and responsibilities
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/182473.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2599890]Boredom, addiction, even obsession, these are all traits that overlap on a Venn diagram of a psychological background. I wouldn't be so quick to diagnose depression as it is often the lazy diagnosis because.[/QUOTE]Yah a lazy blanket generic diagnosis.

[QUOTE]The causes of compulsive sexual behavior remain unclear.

Some studies theorize that compulsive sexual behavior shares the same reward system and circuits in the brain as substance addiction. However, there is no empirical evidence that supports this.

Underlying mental health conditions, such as depression, may also trigger compulsive sexual behavior. Different mood states, including sadness, loneliness, and happiness, might also lead to an inability to control sexual behavior in people with the condition.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/182473..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2599720]You try to play the rule of the stupid guy that you are not. Obviously you can have so many time sex every day you want the question is why with prostitutes and why paying for it. I don't believe in any religion and God doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]What role are you playing on a forum dedicated to men communicating with other men about having sex with women while at the same time improving the woman's financial security? You say your beef is with sex addiction. Do you know that there are many men who have sex with prostitutes perhaps once or twice a week? Are they sex addicts? What about men who do not have sex with prostitutes and have sex 30 or 40 times a week. Are they sex addicts? Why don't you seek out other forums where non p4p discussions take place but the guys copulate with women on a grand scale? Go save their sex addicted life.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2599936]...2 days back I was in Wellcum.[/QUOTE]No doubt with a large placard that read "DESIST FROM FORNICATION YE SINNERS!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2600075]I do not really read or scrutinize field reports, but some senior posters have noted inconsistencies and have essentially accused other posters of posting fake field reports. If that is the case, I would wonder if the faker was knowingly posting fake reports or if he actually imagined himself to have been there.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ExpatLover;2599936]And what about those with 10, if you are speaking about me, I went to mostly all the FKK in Europe and 100+ in each big one in Germany. For example 2 days back I was in Wellcum.[/QUOTE]I'm sure everyone here is a standup guy. Sorry for interrupting the chat.

[QUOTE=AlbertBundy;2599818]I agree that anyone with 1000's of posts on an internet forum such as this is basically suspect. Certainly it reveals a probable tendency towards depression or obsession. A forum like this should be about reports and information about women and hooker establishments and not general chit-chat and argument. One wonders if the members who engage in constant argument and chit-chat have ever actually been inside a FKK. Maybe they visited once 5 years ago and have been constantly posting about it ever since. Less quantity and more quality is very badly needed here.[/QUOTE]+1 completely agree. Reports in English language are now starting to appear in some "non-English" FKK forums. There is a reason for this. Reports about the clubs and women are encouraged. General conversation and chit chat not so much.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2599936]And what about those with 10, if you are speaking about me, I went to mostly all the FKK in Europe and 100+ in each big one in Germany. For example 2 days back I was in Wellcum.[/QUOTE]Look, addict is also when one cannot control their certain behavior in the time of corona pandemic like this. I am one of few honest poster here, I fucked so many stunners since I am 17 both professional and non professional till 26, then when I am at 27, I decided to go not full, but almost full toward professional girls as I noticed that the industry offers the level of stunners I would go for in my private life, so I prefer to fuck without dinners, process of effort of sucking up etc.

However, I am being honest here that I am not fucking this year as I have been saying since the pandemic began, I only fucked one, but amazing stunner this year which was this summer because it is covid 19 pandemic and I do not want to risk my health for mongering and also others health. So I controlled myself and not go to mongering when I actually can as all the escorts and soap land and delivery health are open here and additionally, my country is on green list for long time and I could enter Switzerland or Germany since last year for most of time with just PCR test, but I did not as I controlled myself, but those who cannot control themselves and continued their mongering behavior continuously and constantly, that is also an addict as it is not wise time both for health for you, around you and also for the quality of FKK line up is not wise time.

It seems like the consensus here is that Sharks is the best Hessen club. Are there any other ok choices at this time? Are Palace and Oase still OK? I might be heading for Hessen in the weekend and possibly a few more days for a combination of FKK pleasure and some other matters. If I go (25% chance), I will provide updates. Before covid I usually avoided FKKs on days other than Fri. / sat because the lineups sucked compared to the weekends. Has that changed now or have weekdays gotten ever worse? Any advice on best clubs and days?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2599936]And what about those with 10, if you are speaking about me, I went to mostly all the FKK in Europe and 100+ in each big one in Germany. For example 2 days back I was in Wellcum.[/QUOTE]According to your so many posts, why did you spend expensive entry 85 for low level for sex for Italians as I wrote to inform not worthing a trip to Wellcum, even best casting on average seen on this Summer, but land of small pussies. Had to gave up fucking on 2 rooms when my 2 beauties couldn't more and I didn't want to hurt them. 2 more wow looks at Sharks and 1 is far better for sex. Didn't you see brunette sitting on the right when entering lounge who put so horrible silicon, she should ask big money for that.

[QUOTE=YellowFinTuna;2600518]It seems like the consensus here is that Sharks is the best Hessen club. Are there any other ok choices at this time? Are Palace and Oase still OK? I might be heading for Hessen in the weekend and possibly a few more days for a combination of FKK pleasure and some other matters. If I go (25% chance), I will provide updates. Before covid I usually avoided FKKs on days other than Fri. / sat because the lineups sucked compared to the weekends. Has that changed now or have weekdays gotten ever worse? Any advice on best clubs and days?[/QUOTE]Oase was good on a Saturday, during the day it was dead and almost everyone was outside enjoying the weather. There were few girls in the afternoon but it started improving as the day went on.

Guys,

Where are the places in Europe where you can fuck without condom beside AO clubs? Aren't there any luxury clubs somewhere where you can fuck for higher rate? I hear Babylon in Vienna and Salzburg can fuck without AO if you pay extra? There must be higher end market for this! Like in higher end soap land you can fuck AO and even cum inside here, so there must be some high end AO places in Europe that is clean and with stunner girls?

[QUOTE=Downandup;2601299]Oase was good on a Saturday, during the day it was dead and almost everyone was outside enjoying the weather. There were few girls in the afternoon but it started improving as the day went on.[/QUOTE]Hi Downandup,

Thanks for the info! Nice to hear some good news from Oase, maybe it is time for me to re-visit soon. Would be interesting to know the approximate number of girls wo were in the club. I was at Sharks in the weekend (short report in Sharks thread) and the lineup was satisfactory, quite a lot of girls. Since I went two days in a row and saw mostly the same faces, I guess there will be small changes to the lineup the coming weekend and with that in mind it might be better to head for Oase or Palace for the next time. But it is very quiet in the Palace thread so I don't know what to expect. Palace was great before covid, met some wonderful Ukrainian and German ladies.

[QUOTE=YellowFinTuna;2601747]Hi Downandup,

Thanks for the info! Nice to hear some good news from Oase, maybe it is time for me to re-visit soon. Would be interesting to know the approximate number of girls wo were in the club. I was at Sharks in the weekend (short report in Sharks thread) and the lineup was satisfactory, quite a lot of girls. Since I went two days in a row and saw mostly the same faces, I guess there will be small changes to the lineup the coming weekend and with that in mind it might be better to head for Oase or Palace for the next time. But it is very quiet in the Palace thread so I don't know what to expect. Palace was great before covid, met some wonderful Ukrainian and German ladies.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report! Do you know if the girls also had to show proof of vaccination or take a test at the entrance?

[QUOTE=Leduq;2601823]Thanks for the report! Do you know if the girls also had to show proof of vaccination or take a test at the entrance?[/QUOTE]I don't know for sure, but I believe that the same 3 G rules apply to the girls, meaning that they need to provide proof of vaccination or get tested at the entrance.

[QUOTE=Leduq;2601823]Thanks for the report! Do you know if the girls also had to show proof of vaccination or take a test at the entrance?[/QUOTE]Forgot to mention that it seems to only be mandated to test prostitutes once a week. Source: [URL]https://www.donacarmen.de/wp-content/uploads/10-Corona-Prostitution-UPDATE-30.08.2021-1.pdf[/URL].

Hopefully the club owner demands tests more often. I will ask the girls next time I visit any of the clubs.

[QUOTE=YellowFinTuna;2601848]I don't know for sure, but I believe that the same 3 G rules apply to the girls, meaning that they need to provide proof of vaccination or get tested at the entrance.[/QUOTE]Yes, the same eules apply to everyone including staff and girls. And in NRW the rules are stiffer where the tests have to be PCR which cost about €180 a week if a girl is going to work every day.

Clearly this will require us to make up for that: I am willing to pay 60430 - and even 70430 . But in now way 100430 (for normal sex covered, that is).

[QUOTE=Downandup;2602013]Yes, the same eules apply to everyone including staff and girls. And in NRW the rules are stiffer where the tests have to be PCR which cost about 180 a week if a girl is going to work every day.[/QUOTE]

Just got back to the US from my trip in FKK land.

I was there from Aug20-28 and in summary German FKK land is pretty much dead in my opinion, or at least dead to me. I visited Magnum, Aca Gold, Rheingold, Prime, Happy Garden, and Sharks.

The discount clubs was at least something I expected. A bunch of 4's and 5's offering somewhat decent service. Found a couple ex-GT girls that was decent. The number of girls were smaller than expected since now they require vaccine to work. I think there was about 10-20 girls per club when I visited. I think it was "OK" given the price point.

Sharks was my biggest problem, there was about 30-50 girls given the time of the day or which day, but there was only about 3-4 girls I would give an 8 to and there was no 9's or 10's. Those few girls were constantly booked all day, meaning coming into the club, doing makeup, and immediately meeting their clients. There was no chance to talk to them at any point of the day. The rest of the girls were 4's and 5's asking for 100430. No thank you.

I think I'll need to visit either Austria or South America next. Maybe I'll come back to Germany after covid, I mean really after COVID, like you can't even find covid news on Google anymore "after covid".

[QUOTE=MrHo;2601643]Guys,

Where are the places in Europe where you can fuck without condom beside AO clubs? Aren't there any luxury clubs somewhere where you can fuck for higher rate? I hear Babylon in Vienna and Salzburg can fuck without AO if you pay extra? There must be higher end market for this! Like in higher end soap land you can fuck AO and even cum inside here, so there must be some high end AO places in Europe that is clean and with stunner girls?[/QUOTE]Well, like I said before, almost all (maybe not all but 80-90%) FKK girls would do AO with you if (1) you look and smell clean, (2) if you are nice to them in a non-creepy way, (4) you do longer sessions, and (3) you are not pushy about AO, only say once something like "I would rather have fun (sex) with you than fucking a condom". Some (10-20%) girls have a false sense of health safety by using condoms for sex but happily sucking every raw dick straight of the streets, without even having any idea if the dudes have any easily transmissible STD! LOL. Remember most of the these FKK girls are fucking at least few guys like me AO every week, you just need to have your game to be one of these guys. But usually extra payments do not help to get AO from a girl in a non-AO FKK. I think I paid maybe 50-100 e extra only less than 5 occasions in my more than a decade of FKK visits, though I did do extended sessions almost in all AO sessions in the non-AO FKKs. Here are the FKKs that I remember getting AO from some stunners. Globe, History, Sharks, Oase, World, Finca, GT Bruggen, LR, Paradise, Sakura, GT Wien. I am sure I am forgetting some as I am getting older. FYI my definition of a stunner is ex-Globe Kate or ex-Oase Marie, though I don't say no to someone like ex-Globe Linda who's face isn't as beautiful but has a stunning model figure. One more thing I noticed very interestingly that it's generally easier to get AO with stunners than the fugly girls; for some weird reasons fuglies either hate me or too scared to do AO or both LOL.

I think your best bet to find "clean and stunner" AO girls in Europe is in any of these non-AO FKKs, though occasionally you will find a diamond in the rough in some AO club / RTC (eg Alaxandra in Arabella, Bella in Grimberg, Diana, Sara and Amira in their first couple of years at Dietzenbach etc etc.). Please share if you find any other good AO location anywhere in Europe.

(Copying from another board) If you are ever in west side of USA, you can also try some agencies thru this list - [URL]https://rentry.co/la_bbfs.[/URL] Girls at these agencies use mostly real (or close to real for privacy) pics, provide AO and MSOG for a flat rate but the rate is usually around 280-300 USD per hour.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2602394]Just got back to the US from my trip in FKK land.

I was there from Aug20-28 and in summary German FKK land is pretty much dead in my opinion, or at least dead to me. I visited Magnum, Aca Gold, Rheingold, Prime, Happy Garden, and Sharks.

The discount clubs was at least something I expected. A bunch of 4's and 5's offering somewhat decent service. Found a couple ex-GT girls that was decent. The number of girls were smaller than expected since now they require vaccine to work. I think there was about 10-20 girls per club when I visited. I think it was "OK" given the price point.

Sharks was my biggest problem, there was about 30-50 girls given the time of the day or which day, but there was only about 3-4 girls I would give an 8 to and there was no 9's or 10's. Those few girls were constantly booked all day, meaning coming into the club, doing makeup, and immediately meeting their clients. There was no chance to talk to them at any point of the day. The rest of the girls were 4's and 5's asking for 100430. No thank you.

I think I'll need to visit either Austria or South America next. Maybe I'll come back to Germany after covid, I mean really after COVID, like you can't even find covid news on Google anymore "after covid".[/QUOTE]The big question is do the hobbyists who are booking them have their phone number and / or email to set an appointment and also how does one get this intel?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2601643]Guys,

Where are the places in Europe where you can fuck without condom beside AO clubs? Aren't there any luxury clubs somewhere where you can fuck for higher rate? I hear Babylon in Vienna and Salzburg can fuck without AO if you pay extra? There must be higher end market for this! Like in higher end soap land you can fuck AO and even cum inside here, so there must be some high end AO places in Europe that is clean and with stunner girls?[/QUOTE]Bernds NRW used to. Maybe new German Suzan is a supermodel. For AO, don't need 177 tall.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2602454]The big question is do the hobbyists who are booking them have their phone number and / or email to set an appointment and also how does one get this intel?[/QUOTE]When a girl find you are a good client, she wants you repeat and many proposed me contact or appointment. I remember Bruggen busy superstar Kate asking me why I didn't take appointments like others, then she would be always free for me, but I don't want to be like others. Really easy to have girls giving contact, same like knowing real name.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2602436]Well, like I said before, almost all (maybe not all but 80-90%) FKK girls would do AO with you if (1) you look and smell clean, (2) if you are nice to them in a non-creepy way, (4) you do longer sessions, and (3) you are not pushy about AO, only say once something like "I would rather have fun (sex) with you than fucking a condom". Some (10-20%) girls have a false sense of health safety by using condoms for sex but happily sucking every raw dick straight of the streets, without even having any idea if the dudes have any easily transmissible STD! LOL. Remember most of the these FKK girls are fucking at least few guys like me AO every week, you just need to have your game to be one of these guys. But usually extra payments do not help to get AO from a girl in a non-AO FKK. I think I paid maybe 50-100 e extra only less than 5 occasions in my more than a decade of FKK visits, though I did do extended sessions almost in all AO sessions in the non-AO FKKs. Here are the FKKs that I remember getting AO from some stunners. Globe, History, Sharks, Oase, World, Finca, GT Bruggen, LR, Paradise, Sakura, GT Wien. I am sure I am forgetting some as I am getting older. FYI my definition of a stunner is ex-Globe Kate or ex-Oase Marie, though I don't say no to someone like ex-Globe Linda who's face isn't as beautiful but has a stunning model figure. One more thing I noticed very interestingly that it's generally easier to get AO with stunners than the fugly girls; for some weird reasons fuglies either hate me or too scared to do AO or both LOL..[/QUOTE]I could think of 4 that I could have, but as I mentioned before here, somehow the thought of AO never really came into my appetite at FKK and it is odd as I do it with escort. I think for me 80 to 90 percent though as I tend to go more with German stunners. , but one out of four I could think was German though not fully, just half Greek and half Albanian born in Germany LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2602953]I could think of 4 that I could have, but as I mentioned before here, somehow the thought of AO never really came into my appetite at FKK and it is odd as I do it with escort. I think for me 80 to 90 percent though as I tend to go more with German stunners. , but one out of four I could think was German though not fully, just half Greek and half Albanian born in Germany LOL.[/QUOTE]I meant 80 to 90 percent will not do AO as I go with German white stunners, sorry I wrote this first thing in the morning.

10% maybe, I could do it, maybe I will try one day in FKK, but somehow I feel safer at escort even though it is same set of girls as I found many escort at FKK on my few lucky days LOL.

Bad Kate is not anymore at Globe, first even now in 30's but for casting quality when not same level of charm and elegance now, but also to ask her when I made her crying on our discovery at Sharks on April 2016 when she was in this business since 6 years, tears just with words and she never forgot words. I didn't need to wait or book at Globe, she came to me when I was only a tramp in her business. Girls know risk to be kicked off they would take at Globe and Kate was a long time professional. I had a obsessed French follower telling he fucked AO all my girls, but scared of diseases. Just pathetic laughable and why I don't name anymore, because of some obsessed or bullshiting girls followers. I just agree when sometimes happen under passion when girl lose control, they don t ask extra and usually if You didn't cum inside, then usually they trust your manners and repeating in same way.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2602953]I could think of 4 that I could have, but as I mentioned before here, somehow the thought of AO never really came into my appetite at FKK and it is odd as I do it with escort.[/QUOTE]For me it was a total of 5 girls in FKK I've AO'ed in a span of 9 years. All 5 have since quit the business, the last time I got any AO action in FKK land was in 2018.3 of the girls were from different clubs each, 2 of the girls were from the same club but they worked in different years and never knew about each other. I don't want to drop any names (although at this point I don't really think it matters) but they were all sweet girls and no one would ever expect any of them to offer AO. One was a top girl of the club and always in high demand. I actually lived with her for a few days as well, giving her a good filling before dropping her off at "work. " She didn't want me to take other girls at the club, so if I wanted to try other girls I had to borrow her car to go to a different club. Those were the wild days LOL.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2603157]For me it was a total of 5 girls in FKK I've AO'ed in a span of 9 years. All 5 have since quit the business, the last time I got any AO action in FKK land was in 2018.3 of the girls were from different clubs each, 2 of the girls were from the same club but they worked in different years and never knew about each other. I don't want to drop any names (although at this point I don't really think it matters) but they were all sweet girls and no one would ever expect any of them to offer AO. One was a top girl of the club and always in high demand. I actually lived with her for a few days as well, giving her a good filling before dropping her off at "work. " She didn't want me to take other girls at the club, so if I wanted to try other girls I had to borrow her car to go to a different club. Those were the wild days LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah man, even making them lick us sometimes take some time like few sessions of being regular, but AO, it would been harder and for me it is in a span of 12 years or 11 years as I think I won't go to FKK this year and you know why LOL covid!

But I can go, I can enter most nations even throughout this year and last year even almost just with pcr test, but it is being little self discipline, I went only to one escort this year, but was amazing Eurasian stunner, did AO and cum inside, 650 usd in yen per hour, did 3 times, but was worth it and it was last month, and I am ok still, so I guess she was corona free stunner LOL! But now, I go again with self discipline and stay away till I find the stunner of stunner Eurasian on the market that is very rare anyways LOL!

As for FKK, unless you have no option in where you live, then is it worth going to FKK is my doubt as well beside safety, line up seems to be slim, risk of new measure like this green passport or whatever and man, I have number one passport in the world for entering other country and now they are trying to restrict me in restaurants, bars and maybe FKK in future because of vaccine? Give me a break LOL!

I do think the situation is better with corona now by data and it is now government doing all sort of passport messing things up as it is not united and some people do not want to take vaccines yet like me LOL!

Hi, new to this forum but I was wondering if there are any clubs lcoated in France. Thanks.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2603349]Hi, new to this forum but I was wondering if there are any clubs lcoated in France. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Biggest FKK in Western EU is in France: cap the Agde on the sea where can fuck for free.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2603250]I went only to one escort this year, but was amazing Eurasian stunner, did AO and cum inside, 650 usd in yen per hour, did 3 times, but was worth it and it was last month, and I am ok still, so I guess she was corona free stunner LOL![/QUOTE]Wow Eurasians are expensive! LOL Eurasian is the same as mix girls right? I knew a Vietnamese and Swedish mix in my high school. She was a stunner by every definition. Only ever gave me a few handies and a little BJ, never gave up the pussy. Later after high school someone told me she was doing AO gangbangs with a bunch of Mexicans for money. I would've paid her if she ever asked! Well, that's life, sometimes you just miss out! LOL!

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2603349]Hi, new to this forum but I was wondering if there are any clubs lcoated in France. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Go to Cap d'Agde. A nude beach with many extras.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2603402]Wow Eurasians are expensive! LOL Eurasian is the same as mix girls right? I knew a Vietnamese and Swedish mix in my high school. She was a stunner by every definition. Only ever gave me a few handies and a little BJ, never gave up the pussy. Later after high school someone told me she was doing AO gangbangs with a bunch of Mexicans for money. I would've paid her if she ever asked! Well, that's life, sometimes you just miss out! LOL![/QUOTE]Well, it is depend buddy, first of all, Eurasians are quite rare here, but Eurasian stunners are super rare here, I do managed to find around 2 to 3 Eurasian stunners usually per year as my standard is high and got even higher with FKK LOL! And I know the golden years of FKK line up around early 2010's.

Ok, we have delivery health and soap land here This time round I went to soap land which is usually bit more expensive and good high end soap lands are about above 600 usd per 2 hours, that is starting price and it can go up to like 1000 usd, in good ones, many, not all will do AO with even cum inside, this Eurasian stunner I did was AO with cum inside, it is safer here for this because most places do not let foreigner in to keep the order of the business from their business stand point. This is in format of bath house. It is tolerated, but grey.

We also have many other type of brothel which is delivery health where it is like escort, allowed to do all beside intercourse to pussy with penis LOL it is law, but you get lucky and I can do AO like 80% of time in pussy, cum inside, I do not with this. Price vary from cheap ones are from 150 usd per hour to most expensive one I went was for 1500 usd per 70 min which was JAV star in her prime called Maria Ozawa as I mentioned here.

So it is not bad here for Eurasians, but for Eurasian stunner that I only go for, it is very hard to find, but hey buddy, I am experienced professional prostitute hunter, so I manage LOL!

As for your friend, in life some you win, some you lose LOL! Like walking into FKK and find bunch of plastic monsters LOL! But between that plastic monster in FKK, you may find the young naturally beautiful stunners that set everything straight LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2596731]Palace and Artemis are just a nightmare, why travelling from Japan for those terrible places?[/QUOTE]Been away from the site for a month, and come back to the same old argumentative debates! Anyway, I put in a plug for both Palace and Artemis. I can understand why some guys don't like these two clubs, but they (along with Oase) have always worked for me. On the other hand, Sharks has never worked for me. Go figure! Monger on!

[QUOTE=Mechelen;2603428]Go to Cap d'Agde. A nude beach with many extras.[/QUOTE]I heard about this beach, but it is just a hype right, just bunch of nude people and that is it?

[QUOTE=Mechelen;2603428]Go to Cap d'Agde. A nude beach with many extras.[/QUOTE]Not only on the beach, but many discotheques, bars, restaurants, for sea sun and sex.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2603625]I heard about this beach, but it is just a hype right, just bunch of nude people and that is it?[/QUOTE]And some voyeurs and some action in the dunes but most of the time they're middle aged couples wanting to spice up their sex life.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2603617]Been away from the site for a month, and come back to the same old argumentative debates! Anyway, I put in a plug for both Palace and Artemis. I can understand why some guys don't like these two clubs, but they (along with Oase) have always worked for me. On the other hand, Sharks has never worked for me. Go figure! Monger on![/QUOTE]When after a good Summer at Sharks with 8 really good rooms and 6 not bad, no bad room, but I need more wow, so I will give a try to Palace when I see Kelli. Ro at Sharks, most impressive look seen on this year, coming from Palace, same like Avia, when business seem slow there.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2603617]Been away from the site for a month, and come back to the same old argumentative debates! Anyway, I put in a plug for both Palace and Artemis. I can understand why some guys don't like these two clubs, but they (along with Oase) have always worked for me. On the other hand, Sharks has never worked for me. Go figure! Monger on![/QUOTE]You are talking to takedown LOL!

UK stopped vaccine passport for major events, so that is good news which could be apply to Germany and Switzerland to the sake of us mongers penises LOL!

A little while ago, I attended a three-day swingers event right here in the USA. And I have to say, it absolutely sucked! I fully expected that it would, but I wanted to prove it to myself once and for all. And besides, it was something to do LOL! So, why did it suck? Well because, virtually all of the women were old and / or unattractive and / or fat! That's why! And there must have been 1,500 people there (men and women). I ended up fucking nobody over the three days. I've long ago become accustomed to fucking hot young girls, and I just don't want anything other than that. The women at the swinger event, I wouldn't fuck virtually any of them for free! And the guys who do, they just don't have better options. Nope, the swing scene is not my thing, and I'm out for good. The women don't meet my optics standards. Now, there are women in my age cohort who I do find attractive, but they tend not to be swingers. So, I don't do American strip clubs (hot girls but can't fuck most of them), and I don't do swing (mostly unattractive, older women who you can fuck for free but, I never will). Not going to lower my standards. I would rather pay up to get exactly what I want in terms of [B]both[/B] optics and service. Yes sir, I am a monger thru and thru (hot girls who you can fuck via P4P), and you men are my people! Monger on!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2603641]Not only on the beach, but many discotheques, bars, restaurants, for sea sun and sex.[/QUOTE]How does this work is there a hotel to stay there or is it for camping? And what are the rates?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2603641]Not only on the beach, but many discotheques, bars, restaurants, for sea sun and sex.[/QUOTE]I used to go to Cap the'Agde for many years. My last visit was in 2008. There were many hot nude babes on the beach. On a summers day there were tens of thousands of nude people on the beach. You could have banged women, who fancy you, on the beach and at night go to swingers clubs to bang some more.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2603817]I used to go to Cap the'Agde for many years. My last visit was in 2008. There were many hot nude babes on the beach. On a summers day there were tens of thousands of nude people on the beach. You could have banged women, who fancy you, on the beach and at night go to swingers clubs to bang some more.[/QUOTE]At time of our fresh natural French pornstar, much more sexy than Americans, Clara Morgane, I wanted to go when she was often there, but never did. I preferred some beaches in Ramatuelle, more chic, but now I spend all my holidays in my mountains on Summer and Winter.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2603683]And some voyeurs and some action in the dunes but most of the time they're middle aged couples wanting to spice up their sex life.[/QUOTE]Well I am not that into old women at all, but if it is mid 30's beauties, it is nice or some scandinavian blonde kind of older women who aged good can be nice.

But man, in FKK, we find younger stunner for 150 euro per hour, so I do the math both for money, but also for effort of talking etc, in FKK, it is just let go to the room and can do almost everything LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2603817]I used to go to Cap the'Agde for many years. My last visit was in 2008. There were many hot nude babes on the beach. On a summers day there were tens of thousands of nude people on the beach. You could have banged women, who fancy you, on the beach and at night go to swingers clubs to bang some more.[/QUOTE]How do you keep yourself from your dick standing up LOL!

Oh there is swingers club there in cap agde? That sound interesting, you go there nude too right? If so whatta experience, I might go there alone one day.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2603764]A little while ago, I attended a three-day swingers event right here in the USA. And I have to say, it absolutely sucked! I fully expected that it would, but I wanted to prove it to myself once and for all. And besides, it was something to do LOL! So, why did it suck? Well because, virtually all of the women were old and / or unattractive and / or fat! That's why! And there must have been 1,500 people there (men and women). I ended up fucking nobody over the three days. I've long ago become accustomed to fucking hot young girls, and I just don't want anything other than that. The women at the swinger event, I wouldn't fuck virtually any of them for free! And the guys who do, they just don't have better options. Nope, the swing scene is not my thing, and I'm out for good. The women don't meet my optics standards. Now, there are women in my age cohort who I do find attractive, but they tend not to be swingers. So, I don't do American strip clubs (hot girls but can't fuck most of them), and I don't do swing (mostly unattractive, older women who you can fuck for free but, I never will). Not going to lower my standards. I would rather pay up to get exactly what I want in terms of [B]both[/B] optics and service. Yes sir, I am a monger thru and thru (hot girls who you can fuck via P4P), and you men are my people! Monger on![/QUOTE]It is like the movie Terminator, when we see women, we have this optic standard check, and if she fail, well they ain't called women LOL!

FKK among few other good quality brothel platform are amazing tool for men to live like what all men once wished for growing up, well I have been doing this since 17 LOL! But I did dream of it since I was like 12 with already dirty mind reading erotic manga LOL! Yeah that erotic manga I read as small kids made me hentai flying fucker with creative mind LOL! We are not just monger, we are creative monger LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2603952]How do you keep yourself from your dick standing up LOL!

Oh there is swingers club there in cap agde? That sound interesting, you go there nude too right? If so whatta experience, I might go there alone one day.[/QUOTE]Cap d'Agde is most fun if you go with an open minded girlfriend or girls, not so much fun for single guys as most clubs and most swinger parties are for hetero couples and single girls only, and prostitution is strictly prohibited and enforced. Been there many times recently, DM me if you want more info.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2603764]A little while ago, I attended a three-day swingers event right here in the USA. And I have to say, it absolutely sucked! I fully expected that it would, but I wanted to prove it to myself once and for all. And besides, it was something to do LOL! So, why did it suck? Well because, virtually all of the women were old and / or unattractive and / or fat! That's why! And there must have been 1,500 people there (men and women). I ended up fucking nobody over the three days. I've long ago become accustomed to fucking hot young girls, and I just don't want anything other than that. The women at the swinger event, I wouldn't fuck virtually any of them for free! And the guys who do, they just don't have better options. Nope, the swing scene is not my thing, and I'm out for good. The women don't meet my optics standards. Now, there are women in my age cohort who I do find attractive, but they tend not to be swingers. So, I don't do American strip clubs (hot girls but can't fuck most of them), and I don't do swing (mostly unattractive, older women who you can fuck for free but, I never will). Not going to lower my standards. I would rather pay up to get exactly what I want in terms of [B]both[/B] optics and service. Yes sir, I am a monger thru and thru (hot girls who you can fuck via P4P), and you men are my people! Monger on![/QUOTE]Sorry for you brother, sounds like you went to a wrong kind of swinger event in USA. Take your girlfriend or girls to a couples and girls only swinger event or resort or club even in USA, and your opinion will change 180 degrees I'm pretty sure.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2603683]And some voyeurs and some action in the dunes but most of the time they're middle aged couples wanting to spice up their sex life.[/QUOTE]When I used to go it was much more than that. In the 'sexy' section of the beach numerous couples would be having sex in various positions with dozens of spectators around each couple, most masturbating, including women. Occasionally you would be watching and a woman would just grab your dick and start jerking it, that was your cue to have your way with her. A woman could initiate with a man but a man could not initiate with a woman. Most times I declined as the women were to put it mildly mostly senior citizens. On one occasion a youngish 5 grabbed my dick and we got it on on the sand. Walking around with an erection was the norm for many guys especially when you saw some hot babe masturbating on the beach, I occasionally saw some squirters. On some occasions I saw a woman lying on her back with her legs wide open welcoming any gent who would want to have sex with her with her husband sitting next to her. I loved Cap d'agde, French people are really sexually liberal.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2604102]Cap d'Agde is most fun if you go with an open minded girlfriend or girls, not so much fun for single guys as most clubs and most swinger parties are for hetero couples and single girls only, and prostitution is strictly prohibited and enforced. Been there many times recently, DM me if you want more info.[/QUOTE]Thanks Gino, ah, so I will go with a girl if I go then, but I have many friends who are girls and pretty, but I do not go out or even try to go out with them as I am dedicated monger and above all they do not know I am a monger, so that would spoil the whole meaning of my mongering life that is secret LOL! So I have to figure out how to find this neutral girl part as I won't be taking any girl I am friend with or I know LOL! Escort can be option, but hmmm, I will see!

For the monger of means, sophistication, and high taste. Not faking it like Babylon in Vienna, and not pricey just to be pricey like Globe in Zurich. No gentleman, this is the real deal!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEV51mFxVxo[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2604366]Thanks Gino, ah, so I will go with a girl if I go then, but I have many friends who are girls and pretty, but I do not go out or even try to go out with them as I am dedicated monger and above all they do not know I am a monger, so that would spoil the whole meaning of my mongering life that is secret LOL! So I have to figure out how to find this neutral girl part as I won't be taking any girl I am friend with or I know LOL! Escort can be option, but hmmm, I will see![/QUOTE]Actually, you would be better off to take a non-pro but sexually libertine or at least nypho girl to Cap d'Agde, even if not your formal GF, as long as she's your FWB. That's what I do, and it's so much more fun in Cap d'Agde that way. Try it, and this way she's isolated from your mongering life. For me mongering in FKKs might become secondary soon LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2604369]For the monger of means, sophistication, and high taste. Not faking it like Babylon in Vienna, and not pricey just to be pricey like Globe in Zurich. No gentleman, this is the real deal!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEV51mFxVxo[/URL][/QUOTE]So once again, I am tempted to fly 24 hours to exact opposite location to me LOL!

One day I will with 10000 usd in cash just for fucking LOL! With Portuguese translation device LOL! Is Iphone allowed and are there WIFI inside? If so that will do or I will have piece of paper with Portuguese translation like blowjob, rimjob etc LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2604369]For the monger of means, sophistication, and high taste. Not faking it like Babylon in Vienna, and not pricey just to be pricey like Globe in Zurich. No gentleman, this is the real deal!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEV51mFxVxo[/URL][/QUOTE]And would you say Scandallo is the best one in Brazil? As I may prefer Rio to go!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2604442]And would you say Scandallo is the best one in Brazil? As I may prefer Rio to go![/QUOTE]There are many different types of options and classes of places you can go to in Brazil, with the offerings and the way the game is played being different in each city. You really need to do your homework and decide what you want. Scandallo is a "boate" or nightclub kind of place. In my opinion, not only is it the best nightclub-style mongering spot in Brazil, but it's the best establishment of that type that I have been to [B]anywhere[/B] in the world. You can't take a camera in (although you can at the termas in Rio), but you can take in a phone with a translation app on it. I have done that at clubs all over Brazil no problems.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2604241]When I used to go it was much more than that. In the 'sexy' section of the beach numerous couples would be having sex in various positions with dozens of spectators around each couple, most masturbating, including women. Occasionally you would be watching and a woman would just grab your dick and start jerking it, that was your cue to have your way with her. A woman could initiate with a man but a man could not initiate with a woman. Most times I declined as the women were to put it mildly mostly senior citizens. On one occasion a youngish 5 grabbed my dick and we got it on on the sand. Walking around with an erection was the norm for many guys especially when you saw some hot babe masturbating on the beach, I occasionally saw some squirters. On some occasions I saw a woman lying on her back with her legs wide open welcoming any gent who would want to have sex with her with her husband sitting next to her. I loved Cap d'agde, French people are really sexually liberal.[/QUOTE]No, French are not so liberal for sex, not like Scandinavia nor Germany.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2604608]There are many different types of options and classes of places you can go to in Brazil, with the offerings and the way the game is played being different in each city. You really need to do your homework and decide what you want. Scandallo is a "boate" or nightclub kind of place. In my opinion, not only is it the best nightclub-style mongering spot in Brazil, but it's the best establishment of that type that I have been to [B]anywhere[/B] in the world. You can't take a camera in (although you can at the termas in Rio), but you can take in a phone with a translation app on it. I have done that at clubs all over Brazil no problems.[/QUOTE]Going to go with the Cane on this. I've seen girls and been to the clubs in Thailand, Japan, China, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, and Scandallo would be my top choice worldwide. When deciding Rio vs São Paulo choose Rio if you want a beach vacation with girls sprinkled in. Choose SP if you want a girls vacation with some sleep sprinkled in. LOL. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2604103]Sorry for you brother, sounds like you went to a wrong kind of swinger event in USA. Take your girlfriend or girls to a couples and girls only swinger event or resort or club even in USA, and your opinion will change 180 degrees I'm pretty sure.[/QUOTE]So I just spent the weekend with my sometimes Sugar Baby, Kayla. OMG what an amazing body and super nice face too. Anyhow that's a story for another day but we got to talking about swingers clubs and she swears right there on the Florida coast you can def go to one and find other attractive like minded couples. So I think Gino may have something here. She would def not go if there weren't other pretty girls there. She's bi plus she would be the best looking girl in the place and she would prefer there are some other lookers as well. Says we'll go next time. Had to settle for sex in the room. Damn my life is hard. 😋.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2604680]So I just spent the weekend with my sometimes Sugar Baby, Kayla. OMG what an amazing body and super nice face too. Anyhow that's a story for another day but we got to talking about swingers clubs and she swears right there on the Florida coast you can def go to one and find other attractive like minded couples. So I think Gino may have something here. She would def not go if there weren't other pretty girls there. She's bi plus she would be the best looking girl in the place and she would prefer there are some other lookers as well. Says we'll go next time. Had to settle for sex in the room. Damn my life is hard..[/QUOTE]My event was on the Florida coast. Florida is a big swinger state with a number of options and different clubs and events. But, I'm done. I've been in and out of swinging over the years for a number of reasons, and now I know I'm just done. It's mongering for me full steam ahead!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2604680]So I just spent the weekend with my sometimes Sugar Baby, Kayla. OMG what an amazing body and super nice face too. Anyhow that's a story for another day but we got to talking about swingers clubs and she swears right there on the Florida coast you can def go to one and find other attractive like minded couples. So I think Gino may have something here. She would def not go if there weren't other pretty girls there. She's bi plus she would be the best looking girl in the place and she would prefer there are some other lookers as well. Says we'll go next time. Had to settle for sex in the room. Damn my life is hard..[/QUOTE]People can either learn by their own experiences, or just stay ignorant. LOL.

If you ever actually experience these, please report back Steve. You really do write awesome trip reports and guides, very entertaining as well as informative. Thanks you.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2604678]Going to go with the Cane on this. I've seen girls and been to the clubs in Thailand, Japan, China, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, and Scandallo would be my top choice worldwide. When deciding Rio vs So Paulo choose Rio if you want a beach vacation with girls sprinkled in. Choose SP if you want a girls vacation with some sleep sprinkled in. LOL. Have fun![/QUOTE]To Steve's list, I add places like the Philippines, Dubai, Morocco, Spain, the Netherlands, Poland, the Czech Republic, and all over the Americas from north to central to south. No place where I have been has an establishment that measures up to Scandallo in Sao Paulo, Brazil. None of them! The facilities, the girls. To have sexual access to all of those hot brancas and morenas. My god! I'm glad to have had (and taken advantage of) the wonderful opportunity. And God willing, I shall do so again.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2604645]No, French are not so liberal for sex, not like Scandinavia nor Germany.[/QUOTE]I agree. I would say that even the Spanish are more liberal than the French when it comes to sex.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2604608]There are many different types of options and classes of places you can go to in Brazil, with the offerings and the way the game is played being different in each city. You really need to do your homework and decide what you want. Scandallo is a "boate" or nightclub kind of place. In my opinion, not only is it the best nightclub-style mongering spot in Brazil, but it's the best establishment of that type that I have been to [B]anywhere[/B] in the world. You can't take a camera in (although you can at the termas in Rio), but you can take in a phone with a translation app on it. I have done that at clubs all over Brazil no problems.[/QUOTE]You can take a camera in therma in Rio? If so, wow LOL!

Night club place can be interesting as it create real world atmosphere. I may like wearing a robe, do you wear robe? As I like going to room and be nude right away LOL!

I have had the pleasure of spending 6 weeks aggregate in the Land of Sexual Freedom since we were allowed back in and I must say they were 6 of the best weeks of my life reuniting with old friends, making new friends, meeting some other ISG legends past and present and of course the re entry in to the world of the Gypsies. I love Gypsies. I missed them so much even if they use me for my money. However, little Gypsy gnaws don't hurt, certainly not to the extent that Shark bites do as they can make a guy's heart bleed and make a bloke go apeshit. For many reasons due to certain rules with certain clubs coupled with the internet behaviour of others this trip report will not be anything like my usual nor will future ones. Also, don't bother sending me a PM if you seek more information unless I have previously met you or you can prove to me you are trusted by anyone in my circle of trust. .

So let's start with getting there:

Travel from the USA: All you need is your passport and your shitty CDC Business Paper bullshit card as we all know we can't have a mobile check on out phone as that goes against Trumpism which rules the land and will continue to. He has destroyed us. The United States is now officially the number one shithole in the modern world just as it's P6 scene is. Whorable. German Immigration was a breeze, passport and CDC card and to the baggage claim you go. Easy as can be, just like falling in love with a Shark.

Travel back to the USA: Much has been asked about this. Airlines security in FRA will ask for the CDC card as well as a Negative Antigen test. I took PCR's to be safe however two trips I showed only my Schnelltest and it worked just fine. One trip I showed the PCR. I believe it is safe to say a Schnelltest will work but to be safe IMO get the PCR. There are test centers all over FRA as well as the NRW. Not once on my first two trips was any test asked for upon return to the USA however on the last flight back at the end of the jetway was the CDC dressed in hazmat suits randomly checking. Pay the 69 Euros and get a PCR. 72 hours or less before your flight is the rule however it is based on the date so if you fly Monday at 11:00 AM and get tested at 9:00 AM on Friday it still works.

Club entry for Americans: Enough has been written on the 3 G Rule. The EU guys have Covid passes so getting in is no issue for them but many have asked me about our CDC trashy bullshit cards. I have been told by other Americans that they had issues w the card being accepted and needed to show a negative test. I personally had no issues. The card was accepted at all clubs I went to, all restaurants and all hotels. Make sure to check ' business' for the purpose of your trip at check in. In the beginning the test in both the NRW and Hessen could be a PCR or a Schnelltest however at the time of my last departure the NRW was requiring PCR tests for the unvaccinated or unrecovered; Hessen was still doing Schelltests.

Masking: Masks I have had to wear in all hotel public areas, all public transport and most stores. All over I see folks wearing the mask under the chin, or under the nose basically you can cheat and as the weeks have gone on the cheating increases. As to the clubs one will simply have to go and find out for themselves. Much depends on which club, who the Theke is but have your mask on you even if they are lax. The Ordnungsamt showed up at one club where the masks were basically being used as wrist bracelets but the Theke saw them on the video and in a matter of seconds the entire club was masked for their visit.

Creampie Country: Also known as the NRW; this is God's country. Pure heaven. My trips to the NRW usually start on Saturday mornings when my sidekick (or other way around) picks me up at my hotel in his German made car and we immediately hit the CreampieBahn (A3) or the Creampie Expressway (45) and within 2 and a half hours we are in the heart of Creampie Country. There is just no place in the world like Creampie Country; I wish to retire in Essen. Essen has all one needs and from the Hbf can access all Day Care Centers and if driving very easy to work around the traffic with an early start. Over the course of these few trips some clubs were open some weren't and the girls were being shuffled around w each club maintaining a base of 3-4 steadies who stay put so the LU's were more than adequate at about 6-9 a club on average. I made visits to all of the clubs and pretty much over 3 trips have fucked the entire lineup in each house. I must warn new guys or guys not known to these girls that it is best you go to the clubs with a known guest if you want to get the good service otherwise it is a gamble. The LUs certainly are not up to full speed but many of the gems of the NRW are at work and waiting for our money and not so long from now they will be getting my money again. And again. And again. I noticed many guys getting second class service but by the grace of God I was taken to the NRW by a long-time Stammgast of the clubs 2 plus years ago so service has never been an issue for me nor my guests I now bring.

The Day Care Center: The original one is now open for business and I have spent several days there now as well but things are slowly getting back up to speed. At this time this center located in the outskirts of Frankfurt and south of Offenbach has never looked so god darn clean. Currently the two Thekes are new to this location and I must say they work their asses off. Automatic soap dispensers are now on the shower walls, the bathrooms are so clean the Virgin Mary would take a dump there happily and the place has all new sofas except for two old ones that were repaired. The club has new towels, red ones, just like Mainhatten. Nothing more will be said of this establishment.

FKK Mainhatten: I made one visit to this club. This was on the final day of my second trip in the new Era. On this day my other go to option was not possible as it was still closed. I had to go somewhere and I was tired after the NRW so wanted to simply relax, hopped on Tram 11 to Daimlerstrasse and walked to MH from there. Ghost town at noon. Used the wellness center. Still a ghost town. Ate. Still a ghost town. Finally around 15:00 the Red Toweled Gypsies started coming in. A cute little blond by the name of Emily approached me and wanted the usual 100430/150460 same as was before the closures. I struck the deal at 100430 but no BS; all but anal to be included. Blowjob no condom, ZK, licking Muschi etc. And the full 30 minutes no 15 min bullshit. She held up her end of the bargain but the session ended abruptly at about the 25 minute mark when it was ficken time. The rubber bag went on, Schwanz died. She offered to milk me dry but I didn't want to waste the load. I paid her, ate again and took the tram back to my hotel and made my way to the next stop.

The Red Light District: I love the FRA RLD; once I got myself established there it became a great late night place and of course the traditional 7:00 AM session on the last day before my flight is always had. So far since my return I have done rooms in T32 and E44. At the bottom of each house is a person who checks your VAX proof then you fill out the entry card; same one in the clubs. However, you can write in Mickey Mouse if you like. I have had 5 rooms in the RLD so far and never paid more than 50 e-70 e for good service. Many familiar faces there. I really do not give a shit what others think of the best time to go for me the ideal time is Friday or Saturday night. Reason being is no rich bankers or business guys to compete with. The only guys roaming around 9 Pm or later on the weekends are packs of Turkish guys with no intention of fucking and if they do they offer jack shit making it a breeze for a white guy to roll in and offer anything and it's accepted. 50 goes a long way if you hit the RLD at the right time. Pick the times and girls wisely and the RLD can be a great option.

The Feast on Goldstrasse:

[URL]https://la-cantinetta.com/[/URL] This was just one of the many fine restaurants I dined at in addition to fabulous ethnic food throughout the NRW and Hessen. However; this was the dinner where many of the ISG guys who all go to various clubs came together as due to scheduling it's always impossible to hit the clubs and all make it but this dinner was in the works for weeks and many thanks to all the guys who attended this and a special thank you to the one old timer (but young at heart) who was able to coordinate this dinner and meet up. My only complaint is when the booze starts flowing I can't understand one fucking word out of a Brit's or an Irish guy's mouth; it's like a foreign language. None of these guys post anymore really but the names are well known and it's great to actually match a face to a real poster for a change. First class guys, first class place, first class food and drink and no one cared about the money. With all of us shitfaced; the group disassembled and a few went to play poker the others all went back to Frankfurt.

Some other dining establishments but in the NRW that I recommend:

[URL]https://ash-steakhouse.de/restaurants/essen/[/URL]

[URL]https://essen.pfefferkorn-restaurants.de/[/URL]

[URL]http://steakhouse-hauswitte.de/[/URL]

[URL]http://artemis-essen.de/[/URL]

Tons of other dining in the NRW as well as tiny places that are dirt cheap and all the Hbf's up there have tons of food and places scattered all around them to eat, DM, Rewe, Lidl and anything else you will need. I think I am pretty much done with Hessen as only one location for me is there yet the North offers me much more nowadays. Either way DE is back in action and I will keep up my trips unless the Rednecks and low class country scum in the USA fucks us and we get banned again. DE isn't at 100% now but as the old saying goes ' I will take Germany's worst lineup on it's worst day over America's best lineup on it's best day. ' On another note the scene in the USA is the worst ever in my life and at all time low. I expect a ton more guys to hit the international scene but let's all hope they don't come to Germany; keep it all in the family.

My sincere apologies that this trip report couldn't be written as I usually do but it will have to do for now.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2604712]People can either learn by their own experiences, or just stay ignorant. LOL.

If you ever actually experience these, please report back Steve. You really do write awesome trip reports and guides, very entertaining as well as informative. Thanks you.[/QUOTE]Most men are ignorant, we sure have learnt from experiences LOL! And it served us greatly LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2604683]My event was on the Florida coast. Florida is a big swinger state with a number of options and different clubs and events. But, I'm done. I've been in and out of swinging over the years for a number of reasons, and now I know I'm just done. It's mongering for me full steam ahead![/QUOTE]The path we have chosen when we set foot into unknown land that we most likely would not have stepped our foot in if it was not for FKK called Westkreuz was the right path.

When I leave Berlin each time, not my heart, but I leave my penis in Westkreuz LOL!

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2604754]The Ordnungsamt showed up at one club where the masks were basically being used as wrist bracelets but the Theke saw them on the video and in a matter of seconds the entire club was masked for their visit.[/QUOTE]Got to love the real German efficiency!

Great report KK, after couple of years?

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2604754]I have had the pleasure of spending 6 weeks aggregate in the Land of Sexual Freedom since we were allowed back in and I must say they were 6 of the best weeks of my life reuniting with old friends, making new friends, meeting some other ISG legends past and present and of course the re entry in to the world of the Gypsies. I love Gypsies. I missed them so much even if they use me for my money. However, little Gypsy gnaws don't hurt, certainly not to the extent that Shark bites do as they can make a guy's heart bleed and make a bloke go apeshit. For many reasons due to certain rules with certain clubs coupled with the internet behaviour of others this trip report will not be anything like my usual nor will future ones. Also, don't bother sending me a PM if you seek more information unless I have previously met you or you can prove to me you are trusted by anyone in my circle of trust. .[/QUOTE]You do 6 weeks mongering trip? Wow, I did 14 days consecutive everyday FKK trip before in my early 30's and after 5th day, it begin to feel like it is a work with pleasure that I have to pay LOL! That 14 days trip was special one comparison to usual 10 days consecutive FKK trip, but now in this recent years, I do just 5 days consecutive FKK and it serves me well. I still love FKK and mongering, but I did it so much since younger days, so I am slightly more calm than before.

I am planning to do something like that for Brazil at one point as it is 24 hours flight for me, so I hit German FKK first, then to Brazil and on the way back German FKK again LOL! All that in 4 weeks or so. It will cost me like 30000 USD though, but one day, I will move my ass and do it LOL!

But 6 weeks in Germany for mostly FKK? That is a lot!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2604734]You can take a camera in therma in Rio? If so, wow LOL!

Night club place can be interesting as it create real world atmosphere. I may like wearing a robe, do you wear robe? As I like going to room and be nude right away LOL![/QUOTE]Robes at the termas in Rio only.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2604729]I agree. I would say that even the Spanish are more liberal than the French when it comes to sex.[/QUOTE]Thankfully Germans are liberal for sex LOL! I love Northern German blonde stunners LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2604729]I agree. I would say that even the Spanish are more liberal than the French when it comes to sex.[/QUOTE]We all have different experiences. Should I say that French women have been more sexually liberal towards me in my experience than those of any other European country. That may not have been the experience of others, obviously.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2604369]For the monger of means, sophistication, and high taste. Not faking it like Babylon in Vienna, and not pricey just to be pricey like Globe in Zurich. No gentleman, this is the real deal!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEV51mFxVxo[/URL][/QUOTE]Does it still make sense going to Brazil without knowing a word of Portuguese or Spanish? TIA.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2604947]We all have different experiences. Should I say that French women have been more sexually liberal towards me in my experience than those of any other European country. That may not have been the experience of others, obviously.[/QUOTE]Out of cap Agde? But French women are usually lovely, even not so elegant than they were.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2604947]We all have different experiences. Should I say that French women have been more sexually liberal towards me in my experience than those of any other European country. That may not have been the experience of others, obviously.[/QUOTE]Every generalization has some exceptions, that said, I agree with you. There's a reason Cap dAgde exists only in France, and despite so much better weather in Spain year-round, only kinda similar but distant 2nd spot is in Gran Canarias islands. Anyone who ever had a true French (not mixed race) girlfriend can vouch for their horniness / nymph types and appetite for 24 x7 sex and never-say-no attitude to fucking. One exception I know is a Scottish super hot girl who never ever said no for sex to anyone in her 28 year life so far, obviously she is very popular among single guys in Cap dAgde. She was telling me that she started going to that sex-village since her age of 15, loves it that she can fuck anyone anywhere anytime there, and her best experience is one night she let about 40 guys fuck her one after another there.

Only if average French girls were as beautiful as average Spanish, Russian, Romanian or Bulgarian girls, alas!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2604899]Robes at the termas in Rio only.[/QUOTE]Would you say the quality of line up optically and service wise is the same in therma in Rio the best one and let say Scandallo? If so I tend to like robe environment.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2604947]We all have different experiences. Should I say that French women have been more sexually liberal towards me in my experience than those of any other European country. That may not have been the experience of others, obviously.[/QUOTE]Yes, but not to him obviously in France, so that is why he drive every weekend to German FKK to satisfy what he is not served in France by paying for it in Germany, it is good way to the solution LOL!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2604829]Got to love the real German efficiency!

Great report KK, after couple of years?[/QUOTE]Even for brothels Germans are as good as their engineering and thanks god they become very liberal after ww2.

I would have wish Scandinavia or Ukraine become liberal like this.

[QUOTE=SaratogaX;2604971]Does it still make sense going to Brazil without knowing a word of Portuguese or Spanish? TIA.[/QUOTE]There are many different languages in this world, but there is one single most powerful language in the world especially in the world of mongering, money honey LOL!

[QUOTE=SaratogaX;2604971]Does it still make sense going to Brazil without knowing a word of Portuguese or Spanish? TIA.[/QUOTE]This has been discussed ad nauseam in the Brazil threads. In a word, yes. Modern technology and translation apps are your friends.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2605080]Would you say the quality of line up optically and service wise is the same in therma in Rio the best one and let say Scandallo? If so I tend to like robe environment.[/QUOTE]I can't pick between the two. It's like trying to choose between two children that you love. I cannot. When I go to Brazil, I must go to both cities. And if you're going to travel all of the distance, then so too should you. As a matter of fact, there's a good chance that your port of entry would be Sao Paulo anyway. So may as well check it out.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2605093]I can't pick between the two. It's like trying to choose between two children that you love. I cannot. When I go to Brazil, I must go to both cities. And if you're going to travel all of the distance, then so too should you. As a matter of fact, there's a good chance that your port of entry would be Sao Paulo anyway. So may as well check it out.[/QUOTE]Fair point that both are enjoyable. But Mr Ho if you are after young stunners (and I know you are) then Scandallo is considerably better. It is widely acknowledged that SP is better for P4 P. Spend some time on both forums and you will see. Those who have been to both recently say they wished they spent more time in SP. Every girl I had in SP who was awesome was from Rio. But they come to SP to do their thing.

Now that I think about it there was a thread in the Rio forum where a guys said he was disappointed in the Termas of Rio having been to Sharks FKK etc. But loved SP so that is another datapoint.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2605111]Fair point that both are enjoyable. But Mr Ho if you are after young stunners (and I know you are) then Scandallo is considerably better. It is widely acknowledged that SP is better for P4 P. Spend some time on both forums and you will see. Those who have been to both recently say they wished they spent more time in SP. Every girl I had in SP who was awesome was from Rio. But they come to SP to do their thing.

Now that I think about it there was a thread in the Rio forum where a guys said he was disappointed in the Termas of Rio having been to Sharks FKK etc. But loved SP so that is another datapoint.[/QUOTE]I happen to be one who does not agree that Sao Paulo is "better". If it was, I would probably just skip Rio and do Sampa. But, I don't because they are [B]both[/B] good but different. It isn't like Germany where an FKK is kind of like an FKK in its essence, no matter what German city you go to. There are plenty of young stunners to be had in Rio Steve, and from what I can tell, it's a city that you have little or no experience with. So, I think for you to be always steering guys away from Rio to Sampa really isn't fair. You don't have sufficient personal experience with Rio to be doing that. Each city has its own pros and cons that leaves neither one the clear winner in my judgment, but young hot stunners are easily found in both if you know what you're doing. Even blonde "brancas" as my pictures prove. It isn't hard. And it's for these reasons that I don't try to steer people one way or the other. Both cities are great international sex tourist destinations, and neither should be missed. Especially if you travel all the way there from the other side of the planet! Therefore, it's absolutely essential to do both if you can. Mr. Ho, you haven't lived until you've had your ass licked at [B]both[/B] Scandallo in Sao Paulo and Quatro por Quatro (4 x4) in Rio de Janeiro! Believe this.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2605111]Fair point that both are enjoyable. But Mr Ho if you are after young stunners (and I know you are) then Scandallo is considerably better. It is widely acknowledged that SP is better for P4 P. Spend some time on both forums and you will see. Those who have been to both recently say they wished they spent more time in SP. Every girl I had in SP who was awesome was from Rio. But they come to SP to do their thing.

Now that I think about it there was a thread in the Rio forum where a guys said he was disappointed in the Termas of Rio having been to Sharks FKK etc. But loved SP so that is another datapoint.[/QUOTE]Aha, it sound like SP has more stunners than Rio and stunner in SP is from Rio to do their thing like in FKK, I met many girls in Frankfurt FKK where they come from other major cities of Germany to do their thing to decrease the possibility of her male friend walking into FKK LOL, so I guess stunners from Rio tend to goto SP to monger then LOL!

[QUOTE=SaratogaX;2604971]Does it still make sense going to Brazil without knowing a word of Portuguese or Spanish? TIA.[/QUOTE]What are the entry, covid testing requirements to Brazil these days?

I remember before they charged a visa fee of like over $100! Terrible.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2605093]I can't pick between the two. It's like trying to choose between two children that you love. I cannot. When I go to Brazil, I must go to both cities. And if you're going to travel all of the distance, then so too should you. As a matter of fact, there's a good chance that your port of entry would be Sao Paulo anyway. So may as well check it out.[/QUOTE]The best of both world I guess LOL!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2605046]Every generalization has some exceptions, that said, I agree with you. There's a reason Cap dAgde exists only in France, and despite so much better weather in Spain year-round, only kinda similar but distant 2nd spot is in Gran Canarias islands. Anyone who ever had a true French (not mixed race) girlfriend can vouch for their horniness / nymph types and appetite for 24 x7 sex and never-say-no attitude to fucking. One exception I know is a Scottish super hot girl who never ever said no for sex to anyone in her 28 year life so far, obviously she is very popular among single guys in Cap dAgde. She was telling me that she started going to that sex-village since her age of 15, loves it that she can fuck anyone anywhere anytime there, and her best experience is one night she let about 40 guys fuck her one after another there.

Only if average French girls were as beautiful as average Spanish, Russian, Romanian or Bulgarian girls, alas![/QUOTE]I realize I was guilty of a generalization. I said that the French were liberal. Actually its really the older French women who I found sexually free and loose and I suppose they come to Cap d'Agde to play. The young French women are like young women in the rest of Europe. My last visit to Cap d'Agde was in 2008 so I would not have met that Scottish super hot girl you mentioned. I actually find young French women to be very beautiful. One of the hottest women I've seen in my life was at Cap d'Agde beach. I took the risk of sneaking a photo of her (you do not want to be caught taking photos on that beach!). She had fairly small boobs but I still rate her a 9 close to 10, and that is different from hooker rating. You will never ever find a prostitute looking like her.

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2604754]I have had the pleasure of spending 6 weeks aggregate in the Land of Sexual Freedom since we were allowed back in and I must say they were 6 of the best weeks of my life reuniting with old friends, making new friends, meeting some other ISG legends past and present and of course the re entry in to the world of the Gypsies. I love Gypsies. I missed them so much even if they use me for my money. However, little Gypsy gnaws don't hurt, certainly not to the extent that Shark bites do as they can make a guy's heart bleed and make a bloke go apeshit. For many reasons due to certain rules with certain clubs coupled with the internet behaviour of others this trip report will not be anything like my usual nor will future ones. Also, don't bother sending me a PM if you seek more information unless I have previously met you or you can prove to me you are trusted by anyone in my circle of trust. .

So let's start with getting there:

Travel from the USA: All you need is your passport and your shitty CDC Business Paper bullshit card as we all know we can't have a mobile check on out phone as that goes against Trumpism which rules the land and will continue to. He has destroyed us. The United States is now officially the number one shithole in the modern world just as it's P6 scene is. Whorable. German Immigration was a breeze, passport and CDC card and to the baggage claim you go. Easy as can be, just like falling in love with a Shark.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this report. Nice to see something real and non-Bull for a change.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2605089]This has been discussed ad nauseam in the Brazil threads. In a word, yes. Modern technology and translation apps are your friends.[/QUOTE]I suspected but still wanted to ask. Thank you. Started reading that forum now. LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2605185]I happen to be one who does not agree that Sao Paulo is "better". If it was, I would probably just skip Rio and do Sampa. But, I don't because they are [B]both[/B] good but different. It isn't like Germany where an FKK is kind of like an FKK in its essence, no matter what German city you go to. There are plenty of young stunners to be had in Rio Steve, and from what I can tell, it's a city that you have little or no experience with. So, I think for you to be always steering guys away from Rio to Sampa really isn't fair. You don't have sufficient personal experience with Rio to be doing that. Each city has its own pros and cons that leaves neither one the clear winner in my judgment, but young hot stunners are easily found in both if you know what you're doing. Even blonde "brancas" as my pictures prove. It isn't hard. And it's for these reasons that I don't try to steer people one way or the other. Both cities are great international sex tourist destinations, and neither should be missed. Especially if you travel all the way there from the other side of the planet! Therefore, it's absolutely essential to do both if you can. Mr. Ho, you haven't lived until you've had your ass licked at [B]both[/B] Scandallo in Sao Paulo and Quatro por Quatro (4 x4) in Rio de Janeiro! Believe this.[/QUOTE]LOL I love the last sentence, I am going to used that LOL! "You have not lived till you've had your ass licked at xxx" LOL! I lived in Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Asia, now I must live in Brazil LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2605294]I realize I was guilty of a generalization. I said that the French were liberal. Actually its really the older French women who I found sexually free and loose and I suppose they come to Cap d'Agde to play. The young French women are like young women in the rest of Europe. My last visit to Cap d'Agde was in 2008 so I would not have met that Scottish super hot girl you mentioned. I actually find young French women to be very beautiful. One of the hottest women I've seen in my life was at Cap d'Agde beach. I took the risk of sneaking a photo of her (you do not want to be caught taking photos on that beach!). She had fairly small boobs but I still rate her a 9 close to 10, and that is different from hooker rating. You will never ever find a prostitute looking like her.[/QUOTE]It sound like Cap d'Agde is good place to go with stunner escort for a week, stay in good hotel there, fuck on the beach, attend swinger event etc. 10000 euro for good escort for one week, another maybe 4000 to 5000 euro for good hotel and food, so 15000 euro holiday to remember for life LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2605294]I realize I was guilty of a generalization. I said that the French were liberal. Actually its really the older French women who I found sexually free and loose and I suppose they come to Cap d'Agde to play. The young French women are like young women in the rest of Europe. My last visit to Cap d'Agde was in 2008 so I would not have met that Scottish super hot girl you mentioned. I actually find young French women to be very beautiful. One of the hottest women I've seen in my life was at Cap d'Agde beach. I took the risk of sneaking a photo of her (you do not want to be caught taking photos on that beach!). She had fairly small boobs but I still rate her a 9 close to 10, and that is different from hooker rating. You will never ever find a prostitute looking like her.[/QUOTE]Average of French women are really not nymphomaniac when many have headache daily to avoid emptying balls sex with their partner.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2605294]I You will never ever find a prostitute looking like her.[/QUOTE]You will be surprised, I found once in blue moon some girls who is stunner out of university, I call these girls walk ins, meaning they just do it for summer or sometimes. It is rare nowadays in FKK, but still found once in a very while.

Also we have some top stunner escort girls that walks in once in a very while too. That is also a catch.

These are getting much less comparison to early 2010's in FKK, but still found.

As for escort, there are those too, here I found many Eurasians that are stunner and do not look like a pro at all.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2605467]It sound like Cap d'Agde is good place to go with stunner escort for a week, stay in good hotel there, fuck on the beach, attend swinger event etc. 10000 euro for good escort for one week, another maybe 4000 to 5000 euro for good hotel and food, so 15000 euro holiday to remember for life LOL![/QUOTE]There are no hotels above 200 euro in cap d'agde, no nice hotels actually, but average good ones. I was hoping there are nice beautiful hotels to fuck stunner escort, but fuck on the beach during day and also go to beach at night to fuck can do LOL! Is it safe there at night on beach to fuck?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2605467]It sound like Cap d'Agde is good place to go with stunner escort for a week, stay in good hotel there, fuck on the beach, attend swinger event etc. 10000 euro for good escort for one week, another maybe 4000 to 5000 euro for good hotel and food, so 15000 euro holiday to remember for life LOL![/QUOTE]Brother,

You must keep it down low if you are taking an escort to Cap dAgde. I am sure it happens under the rug, but prostitution is a big no-no officially and more so socially in the village. Just last year we saw a couple got kicked out of a swinger's club because some other lady reported to the manager that the girl was a prostitute! Maybe because manager had to do it because the conversation was loud in public, but who knows. Also, you won't be invited to private swingers house (apartment) parties and these swingers talk LOL. In our Cap FB groups, solicitation is strictly prohibited and results in getting kicked out. In your case, since you have access to non-prostitute girls, just take one or two with you for fun, and who knows you all might actually enjoy. This year's season is over (except for Halloween, New Year's Eve, Valentine's Day etc specific parties at few clubs), so go next season. Peak season is July-August when there are 40,000 people in the village, but even May, June or September can be fun with half the people. There is also another close by (about 20 minutes drive) swingers resort Terre de Soleil and it's club L'Extasia that we like, though the club and only some areas of the garden is where you can do orgy or fuck your gal pals in public LOL.

Yes, for me the Cap holidays are way more enjoyable and memorable than FKK trips, though there are some great memories I have from FKKs. Probably will be the same for you too, if you go with some open minded nympho girl (s) who you want to fuck almost 24 x 7 for a week or two, sprinkled with some swinging orgies haha.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2605294]I realize I was guilty of a generalization. I said that the French were liberal. Actually its really the older French women who I found sexually free and loose and I suppose they come to Cap d'Agde to play. The young French women are like young women in the rest of Europe. My last visit to Cap d'Agde was in 2008 so I would not have met that Scottish super hot girl you mentioned. I actually find young French women to be very beautiful. One of the hottest women I've seen in my life was at Cap d'Agde beach. I took the risk of sneaking a photo of her (you do not want to be caught taking photos on that beach!). She had fairly small boobs but I still rate her a 9 close to 10, and that is different from hooker rating. You will never ever find a prostitute looking like her.[/QUOTE]Older women sexually not free, sexually desperate LOL! They don't have FKK you like us you know LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2605507]There are no hotels above 200 euro in cap d'agde, no nice hotels actually, but average good ones. I was hoping there are nice beautiful hotels to fuck stunner escort, but fuck on the beach during day and also go to beach at night to fuck can do LOL! Is it safe there at night on beach to fuck?[/QUOTE]Totally wrong! Look up Oz'Inn Hotel or Jardin Eden during peak season, usually 500 e or more per night, and they start will figure everything out. We can give you a lot of info but nothing beats first had experience.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2605551]Brother,

You must keep it down low if you are taking an escort to Cap dAgde. I am sure it happens under the rug, but prostitution is a big no-no officially and more so socially in the village. Just last year we saw a couple got kicked out of a swinger's club because some other lady reported to the manager that the girl was a prostitute! Maybe because manager had to do it because the conversation was loud in public, but who knows. Also, you won't be invited to private swingers house (apartment) parties and these swingers talk LOL. In our Cap FB groups, solicitation is strictly prohibited and results in getting kicked out. In your case, since you have access to non-prostitute girls, just take one or two with you for fun, and who knows you all might actually enjoy. This year's season is over (except for Halloween, New Year's Eve, Valentine's Day etc specific parties at few clubs), so go next season. Peak season is July-August when there are 40,000 people in the village, but even May, June or September can be fun with half the people. There is also another close by (about 20 minutes drive) swingers resort Terre de Soleil and it's club L'Extasia that we like, though the club and only some areas of the garden is where you can do orgy or fuck your gal pals in public LOL.

Yes, for me the Cap holidays are way more enjoyable and memorable than FKK trips, though there are some great memories I have from FKKs. Probably will be the same for you too, if you go with some open minded nympho girl (s) who you want to fuck almost 24 x 7 for a week or two, sprinkled with some swinging orgies haha.[/QUOTE]I could think of one girl that can do, but it is too risky for me to take non pro girl who is a friend because I got reputation to keep and I won't risk my secret life being revealed as contrary to when I am getting my ass licked in 180 degree upside position by some young stunner that I just met and paid 50 euro, I actually have solid reputation in my life LOL! So escort must be the option.

I am presentable guy and I am in good shape as I do exercise daily and work out twice per week, so even I take the escort who is natural stunner beauty, it won't look odd. Plus, except for some, quite many must be escort in those nudist resort.

I presume most people are nudists and some are bit hippy mindset people there in positive sense of words, but how are the security there in general? Can you fuck on beach at night and staff under moon light without getting jumped on by some freak? LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2605795]I could think of one girl that can do, but it is too risky for me to take non pro girl who is a friend because I got reputation to keep and I won't risk my secret life being revealed as contrary to when I am getting my ass licked in 180 degree upside position by some young stunner that I just met and paid 50 euro, I actually have solid reputation in my life LOL! So escort must be the option.

I am presentable guy and I am in good shape as I do exercise daily and work out twice per week, so even I take the escort who is natural stunner beauty, it won't look odd. Plus, except for some, quite many must be escort in those nudist resort.

I presume most people are nudists and some are bit hippy mindset people there in positive sense of words, but how are the security there in general? Can you fuck on beach at night and staff under moon light without getting jumped on by some freak? LOL.[/QUOTE]Plus none of my friend would go and they would talk about it that I went crazy and asked to go to nudist resort LOL! Only escort would do LOL!

I can think of one girl that may do this, who is surfer lawyer who is a beauty from US living in Europe, but either way, she will talk about it LOL!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2605730]Totally wrong! Look up Oz'Inn Hotel or Jardin Eden during peak season, usually 500 e or more per night, and they start will figure everything out. We can give you a lot of info but nothing beats first had experience.[/QUOTE]Eden hotel has its Californian vibe to it! It is nice, but 500 euro for those hotels, hmmm bit pricey for what it is. I will get something beach front though, so I can fuck on balcony facing the mother ocean LOL!

I deliberately chose the fuzziest photo so the parties cannot be identified. The 10 I saw at Cap d'Agde is with her partner. I think the guy in the white towel was trying to organize a threesome. That is common there.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2605933]Eden hotel has its Californian vibe to it! It is nice, but 500 euro for those hotels, hmmm bit pricey for what it is. I will get something beach front though, so I can fuck on balcony facing the mother ocean LOL![/QUOTE]If you stay at Eden, you get early access to the better location day-beds for the Eden and Babylon pool parties (orgies). We stayed at all kinds of hotels and apartments over the years, and now Eden is our first choice for Cap, though we usually mix it up with few nights ocean view rooms every year.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2605795]I could think of one girl that can do, but it is too risky for me to take non pro girl who is a friend because I got reputation to keep and I won't risk my secret life being revealed as contrary to when I am getting my ass licked in 180 degree upside position by some young stunner that I just met and paid 50 euro, I actually have solid reputation in my life LOL! So escort must be the option.

I am presentable guy and I am in good shape as I do exercise daily and work out twice per week, so even I take the escort who is natural stunner beauty, it won't look odd. Plus, except for some, quite many must be escort in those nudist resort.

I presume most people are nudists and some are bit hippy mindset people there in positive sense of words, but how are the security there in general? Can you fuck on beach at night and staff under moon light without getting jumped on by some freak? LOL.[/QUOTE]Security overall is great at Cap, but fucking at pigs beach at night could be risky as there are too many hungry single guys there and zero security guards at the beach in the night. All security guards and police are patrolling more crowded areas in the night. Bay of the pigs is best to enjoy in the day.

Looks like you're getting confused between sex with prostitutes and non-pros. Why would having sex, swinging or going to orgies with a non-pro friend, expose your mongering life to her? You're not paying your non-pro friend, nether are you bringing an escort when you are in Cap with her. You should be able to keep your mongering life totally isolated from your non-mongering life LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2605870]Plus none of my friend would go and they would talk about it that I went crazy and asked to go to nudist resort LOL! Only escort would do LOL!

I can think of one girl that may do this, who is surfer lawyer who is a beauty from US living in Europe, but either way, she will talk about it LOL![/QUOTE]Once you randomly meet your colleagues at a swingers club or shopping around in the village naked with their spouse or significant others, you will realize how many people have that kinky side in their lives LOL. You will also be surprised how many girls we all know has fetish for these things, you just need to approach the topic in a non-aggressive fun experience way. Like many says "whatever happens in Cap stays in Cap". Smart people actually keep it that way haha.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2606075]Once you randomly meet your colleagues at a swingers club or shopping around in the village naked with their spouse or significant others, you will realize how many people have that kinky side in their lives LOL. You will also be surprised how many girls we all know has fetish for these things, you just need to approach the topic in a non-aggressive fun experience way. Like many says "whatever happens in Cap stays in Cap". Smart people actually keep it that way haha.[/QUOTE]Right, most of my ex loved BDSM sex where I am the dominator, which I do not mind, but was not my fetish LOL! But these girls were top normal girls.

Also, now we talk about pro girls, I had so many stunner tutes when I was fucking them hardcore doggy, they slap their own ass to signal me to slap their ass LOL! So I do slap their ass like pierre woodman LOL! But spanking is not really my thing though LOL.

So yeah, pro or non pro, I know that many have these sides and hey like us LOL! No one know about my FKK or escort habits that I do, only three friends know about this.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2606070]Security overall is great at Cap, but fucking at pigs beach at night could be risky as there are too many hungry single guys there and zero security guards at the beach in the night. All security guards and police are patrolling more crowded areas in the night. Bay of the pigs is best to enjoy in the day.

Looks like you're getting confused between sex with prostitutes and non-pros. Why would having sex, swinging or going to orgies with a non-pro friend, expose your mongering life to her? You're not paying your non-pro friend, nether are you bringing an escort when you are in Cap with her. You should be able to keep your mongering life totally isolated from your non-mongering life LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know what you mean about it is secret of both side if I manage to convince one of my female friend to go, but still I know girls well and they talk like a walking speaker, so usually they tell their friends, who are also walking speakers, so it will be leaked for sure LOL! This is my mindset and I much prefer take stunner escort who are natural beauty because I am carefree and I can do what I want with her LOL!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2606061]If you stay at Eden, you get early access to the better location day-beds for the Eden and Babylon pool parties (orgies). We stayed at all kinds of hotels and apartments over the years, and now Eden is our first choice for Cap, though we usually mix it up with few nights ocean view rooms every year.[/QUOTE]I guess Babylon pool partites at Eden hotel? Well it sound like Eden it is for me then LOL!

When is the good season for more younger beauties? More peak season of July and August or more like September?

I imagine peak season have more stunners and open minded people as there are more people there.

More and more, it sound like interesting place!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2606146]Right, most of my ex loved BDSM sex where I am the dominator, which I do not mind, but was not my fetish LOL! But these girls were top normal girls.

Also, now we talk about pro girls, I had so many stunner tutes when I was fucking them hardcore doggy, they slap their own ass to signal me to slap their ass LOL! So I do slap their ass like pierre woodman LOL! But spanking is not really my thing though LOL.

So yeah, pro or non pro, I know that many have these sides and hey like us LOL! No one know about my FKK or escort habits that I do, only three friends know about this.[/QUOTE]This kind of stuff above can't be done in the USA or one will wind up in jail. Any bruise left on a girl is evidence of an attack if she files a report so I recommend to avoid the above.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2606152]I guess Babylon pool partites at Eden hotel? Well it sound like Eden it is for me then LOL!

When is the good season for more younger beauties? More peak season of July and August or more like September?

I imagine peak season have more stunners and open minded people as there are more people there.

More and more, it sound like interesting place![/QUOTE]July-August when the whole Europe takes multi-weeks summer vacations, and all colleges are closed for Holidays.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2606239]July-August when the whole Europe takes multi-weeks summer vacations, and all colleges are closed for Holidays.[/QUOTE]Ah college girls, we all must swing for the fences LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2606219]This kind of stuff above can't be done in the USA or one will wind up in jail. Any bruise left on a girl is evidence of an attack if she files a report so I recommend to avoid the above.[/QUOTE]Yes I saw, USA tend to go bit over the top with a lot of things and now with this sex staff, I agree to some extent, but some sound like it was set up! Well we can do that in Europe at FKK for 50 euro per 30 min LOL!

I always say, mongering is like an arbitrage, what is expensive in one side is cheaper on the other side LOL! It is true! But some guys are too blind to see it!

OK so I see a lot of people have been saying they are visiting the Frankfurt area and are wondering if it should be Sharks or Oase. I went to both last week end, here was my experience:

Sharks vs Oase.

Entrance area / price: equivalent. The staff is nice in both places.

Locker room: Oase. The locker room is a bit bigger and a little cleaner. Lockers are bigger as well.

Lounge: Sharks. The lounge is bigger is not as dark as Oase.

Overall club layout: Oase. They have this great rest room overlooking the pool, the indoor jacuzzi and restaurant are also perfectly placed with girls walking by all the time.

Outside: equivalent: both have a swimming pool and lounging chairs and an outdoor area to chill or have sex. Oase has a BBQ in summer, not sure about Sharks. The outdoor area at Oase is a little bigger.

Jaccuzzi: Oase. It's placed in the middle of the club. You can see all the beautiful naked girls walking around you. Perfect for in-between sessions or for choosing your next girl. At Sharks the Jacuzzi is in the corner of the top floor. You won't see anything except your own dick.

Number of girls: these days Sharks. There were around 80 girls there last week end versus 30 at Oase. I don't understand why.

Quality of girls: these days Sharks. With so many more girls you have also more stunners. Still I also had a good time at Oase with 2 amazingly gorgeous beauties.

Food: Oase. The pizza can rival any Italian restaurant, it's great. The buffet is equivalent.

Drinks: Oase. I never waited to get my drinks. Always great service. At Sharks you have to fight just for a glass of water. It can take 15 minutes. Not only I like to stay hydrated between sessions, but also I like drinks with my dinner and in the lounge. Very difficult at Sharks. This was a major turn-off for me.

Solicitation: Sharks. You can sit down in the lounge and not be solicitated too much. At Oase the girls will be all over you. That being said, some guys are able to sit in the lounge at Oase and have conversations and couch time with girls without the constant solicitation. If you are one of them, please tell me how you do it.

Covid safety: neither. They check the vaccination at the door, but inside no one is wearing a mask. At Sharks especially everyone is stuck against another and no one cares. With Oase operating at 30% capacity you can at least try to keep your distances. This way you are only exposed to the girl in the room (which isn't much better anyways.).

So these days if you are looking to spend the afternoon and take advantage of all the facilities, I would go more to Oase. If you want to go party in the evening only, I would say go to Sharks.

[QUOTE=Leduq;2606863]OK so I see a lot of people have been saying they are visiting the Frankfurt area and are wondering if it should be Sharks or Oase. I went to both last week end, here was my experience:

Sharks vs Oase.

Entrance area / price: equivalent. The staff is nice in both places.

Locker room: Oase. The locker room is a bit bigger and a little cleaner. Lockers are bigger as well.

Lounge: Sharks. The lounge is bigger is not as dark as Oase.

Overall club layout: Oase. They have this great rest room overlooking the pool, the indoor jacuzzi and restaurant are also perfectly placed with girls walking by all the time.

Outside: equivalent: both have a swimming pool and lounging chairs and an outdoor area to chill or have sex. Oase has a BBQ in summer, not sure about Sharks. The outdoor area at Oase is a little bigger.

Jaccuzzi: Oase. It's placed in the middle of the club. You can see all the beautiful naked girls walking around you. Perfect for in-between sessions or for choosing your next girl. At Sharks the Jacuzzi is in the corner of the top floor. You won't see anything except your own dick.

Number of girls: these days Sharks. There were around 80 girls there last week end versus 30 at Oase. I don't understand why.

Quality of girls: these days Sharks. With so many more girls you have also more stunners. Still I also had a good time at Oase with 2 amazingly gorgeous beauties.

Food: Oase. The pizza can rival any Italian restaurant, it's great. The buffet is equivalent.

Drinks: Oase. I never waited to get my drinks. Always great service. At Sharks you have to fight just for a glass of water. It can take 15 minutes. Not only I like to stay hydrated between sessions, but also I like drinks with my dinner and in the lounge. Very difficult at Sharks. This was a major turn-off for me.

Solicitation: Sharks. You can sit down in the lounge and not be solicitated too much. At Oase the girls will be all over you. That being said, some guys are able to sit in the lounge at Oase and have conversations and couch time with girls without the constant solicitation. If you are one of them, please tell me how you do it.

Covid safety: neither. They check the vaccination at the door, but inside no one is wearing a mask. At Sharks especially everyone is stuck against another and no one cares. With Oase operating at 30% capacity you can at least try to keep your distances. This way you are only exposed to the girl in the room (which isn't much better anyways.).

So these days if you are looking to spend the afternoon and take advantage of all the facilities, I would go more to Oase. If you want to go party in the evening only, I would say go to Sharks.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for a very well written and informative report. It answered a lot of questions I had. What is interesting is that when one reads the Mainhattan and Palace threads the reports are of good line ups and cheaper prices. Sirioja (who I consider to be a reliable reporter) did not find many attractive girls at Mainhattan but Arnold most certainly did and rated it far above Sharks. As ever there is only one real way to find out. Go! I am in the process of organising just that. My dilemma is that I have only three days but four clubs to visit! I suspect I will do Sharks, Oase and then start at Mainhattan final night but if it poor move to Palace (or vice versa). Given that final choice, I would be interested and most grateful if any senior member who has recently visited both Palace AND Mainhattan would provide a comparison. So I know where to start on that day! I normally have preferred Palace over Mainhattan but then don't love the lack of outdoor space there. The bar area is much better in Palace (since renovation) but I've generally found the line up better in Palace too. So would be grateful for any assistance. Thanks.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2606983]Many thanks for a very well written and informative report. It answered a lot of questions I had. What is interesting is that when one reads the Mainhattan and Palace threads the reports are of good line ups and cheaper prices. Sirioja (who I consider to be a reliable reporter) did not find many attractive girls at Mainhattan but Arnold most certainly did and rated it far above Sharks. As ever there is only one real way to find out. Go! I am in the process of organising just that. My dilemma is that I have only three days but four clubs to visit! I suspect I will do Sharks, Oase and then start at Mainhattan final night but if it poor move to Palace (or vice versa). Given that final choice, I would be interested and most grateful if any senior member who has recently visited both Palace AND Mainhattan would provide a comparison. So I know where to start on that day! I normally have preferred Palace over Mainhattan but then don't love the lack of outdoor space there. The bar area is much better in Palace (since renovation) but I've generally found the line up better in Palace too. So would be grateful for any assistance. Thanks.[/QUOTE]That's exactly how I do it when I place Mainhatten into the rotation. I will split time between Mainhatten and Palace, starting early with Mainhatten, then invariably leaving Mainhatten not having sessioned on the way to over Palace, where I invariably have a jolly good time! Things got to the point where I would skip Mainhatten altogether. Didn't feel I was missing anything. But if and when I do go again, Mainhatten does not get its own dedicated day!

[QUOTE=Leduq;2606863]OK so I see a lot of people have been saying they are visiting the Frankfurt area and are wondering if it should be Sharks or Oase. I went to both last week end, here was my experience:

Sharks vs Oase.

Entrance area / price: equivalent. The staff is nice in both places.

Locker room: Oase. The locker room is a bit bigger and a little cleaner. Lockers are bigger as well.

Lounge: Sharks. The lounge is bigger is not as dark as Oase.

Overall club layout: Oase. They have this great rest room overlooking the pool, the indoor jacuzzi and restaurant are also perfectly placed with girls walking by all the time.

Outside: equivalent: both have a swimming pool and lounging chairs and an outdoor area to chill or have sex. Oase has a BBQ in summer, not sure about Sharks. The outdoor area at Oase is a little bigger.

Jaccuzzi: Oase. It's placed in the middle of the club. You can see all the beautiful naked girls walking around you. Perfect for in-between sessions or for choosing your next girl. At Sharks the Jacuzzi is in the corner of the top floor. You won't see anything except your own dick...[/QUOTE]Do you still have to pay extra for that pizza? Coffee at oase is better too with the Italian touch!

So you reckon the line up is better at sharks than oase, but sharks always not let me down, but somehow it did not work with me. Oase, I will give another try as if I look back, the girls I had was good looking, but one had ok service in room, only bad service in my FKK history was at oase.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2606983]Many thanks for a very well written and informative report. It answered a lot of questions I had. What is interesting is that when one reads the Mainhattan and Palace threads the reports are of good line ups and cheaper prices. Sirioja (who I consider to be a reliable reporter) did not find many attractive girls at Mainhattan but Arnold most certainly did and rated it far above Sharks. As ever there is only one real way to find out. Go! I am in the process of organising just that. My dilemma is that I have only three days but four clubs to visit! I suspect I will do Sharks, Oase and then start at Mainhattan final night but if it poor move to Palace (or vice versa). Given that final choice, I would be interested and most grateful if any senior member who has recently visited both Palace AND Mainhattan would provide a comparison. So I know where to start on that day! I normally have preferred Palace over Mainhattan but then don't love the lack of outdoor space there. The bar area is much better in Palace (since renovation) but I've generally found the line up better in Palace too. So would be grateful for any assistance. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Sharks is far higher for looks than Oase and Mainhattan. Even some prettiest girls than at Globe. At Palace, can sometimes find a wow look like 185 supermodel Kelli who moved to Sharks for better business. Avia and Daisi. De did same. Oase new star is Iranian Shiva with Latina big ass. If You are tired, Oase and Mainhattan for 45 before 1 pm are good for resting.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2606983]Given that final choice, I would be interested and most grateful if any senior member who has recently visited both Palace AND Mainhattan would provide a comparison. So I know where to start on that day! I normally have preferred Palace over Mainhattan but then don't love the lack of outdoor space there. The bar area is much better in Palace (since renovation) but I've generally found the line up better in Palace too. So would be grateful for any assistance. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Palace is not a good place at the moment, particularly when it's DJ night and they play extremely loud music that you have to shout to girls. I have not been to Mainhattan lately, but if you need to stay in FRA area, it may seem a better choice. A guy even told me the new FKK Village in Reiskirchen is a nice place to visit.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2607057]Sharks is far higher for looks than Oase and Mainhattan. Even some prettiest girls than at Globe. At Palace, can sometimes find a wow look like 185 supermodel Kelli who moved to Sharks for better business. Avia and Daisi. De did same. Oase new star is Iranian Shiva with Latina big ass. If You are tired, Oase and Mainhattan for 45 before 1 pm are good for resting.[/QUOTE]I will go to Sharks for sure. Oase doesn't sound great with only 30 girls (why so low?) I don't like Latina big asses so I suspect Shiva won't be to my liking. I like the club so I'll try it but sounds like it could end up 2 of three days at Sharks. Will start there on a Friday. Saturday Oase / Mainhattan, Sunday either Palace or return to Sharks.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2607005]That's exactly how I do it when I place Mainhatten into the rotation. I will split time between Mainhatten and Palace, starting early with Mainhatten, then invariably leaving Mainhatten not having sessioned on the way to over Palace, where I invariably have a jolly good time! Things got to the point where I would skip Mainhatten altogether. Didn't feel I was missing anything. But if and when I do go again, Mainhatten does not get its own dedicated day![/QUOTE]I do that in NRW, but never thought of doing that in Hessen I hear Mainhattan is not worth going though as lineup is not stunner as some of the girls at palace, is this accurate? Also world, I hear it has the best outdoor sex in summer, but I also heard the line up at the world is horrible.

So it leaves me only palace and Oase LOL Oase has one of those tent that is half outdoor feeling and some outdoor bed on the hill but that would attract freaky voyeur, so not my thing!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2607198]I will go to Sharks for sure. Oase doesn't sound great with only 30 girls (why so low?) I don't like Latina big asses so I suspect Shiva won't be to my liking. I like the club so I'll try it but sounds like it could end up 2 of three days at Sharks. Will start there on a Friday. Saturday Oase / Mainhattan, Sunday either Palace or return to Sharks.[/QUOTE]She will remind you Scandalo. Friday is good for Sharks, sultan of harem in the afternoon before Balkanians. Palace wake up only after 6/7 pm when opening at 5, Saturday for best. Only Sharks with entry 50 before 2 pm but almost full casting around 4 pm, or Oase on Sunday.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2607183]Palace is not a good place at the moment, particularly when it's DJ night and they play extremely loud music that you have to shout to girls. I have not been to Mainhattan lately, but if you need to stay in FRA area, it may seem a better choice. A guy even told me the new FKK Village in Reiskirchen is a nice place to visit.[/QUOTE]I never saw any point of the dj playing in FKK, it can be from auto play, then it is fine. The worst dj was in Goldentime, they used to let this teenage towel boy play dj and gosh it was loud and it was horrible, but the guy was so into his dj set and dancing and all that LOL! I think he was Polish.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2607490]I do that in NRW, but never thought of doing that in Hessen I hear Mainhattan is not worth going though as lineup is not stunner as some of the girls at palace, is this accurate? Also world, I hear it has the best outdoor sex in summer, but I also heard the line up at the world is horrible.

So it leaves me only palace and Oase LOL Oase has one of those tent that is half outdoor feeling and some outdoor bed on the hill but that would attract freaky voyeur, so not my thing![/QUOTE]I hate that World has fallen off so badly. That used to be one of my favorite clubs with so many hot girls fucking! Will never forget blonde Chanel who was surprised that I took her in the ass twice in one night in two separate sessions. She said no other monger had ever done that before. I guess she had yet to meet a connoisseur such as myself. She had a poem written on one of her butt cheeks. Never knew what it said. Then one day, she altogether disappeared. Never to be seen again. Probably found a suitor. Now Mainhatten, my early visits to that club were decent. But, that was years ago. How I yearn for World to return to its glory days!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2607490]I do that in NRW, but never thought of doing that in Hessen I hear Mainhattan is not worth going though as lineup is not stunner as some of the girls at palace, is this accurate? Also world, I hear it has the best outdoor sex in summer, but I also heard the line up at the world is horrible.

So it leaves me only palace and Oase LOL Oase has one of those tent that is half outdoor feeling and some outdoor bed on the hill but that would attract freaky voyeur, so not my thing![/QUOTE]If I understood well you are not vaccinated so it is better you stay in Japan, more and more restrictions for the none vaccinated in Europe. Nevertheless I can tell you that the LU in all the FKK and in escort are very poor so better to save your money or you are that hungry that you are able to control your libido like so many mongers on this forum.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2607641]I hate that World has fallen off so badly. That used to be one of my favorite clubs with so many hot girls fucking! Will never forget blonde Chanel who was surprised that I took her in the ass twice in one night in two separate sessions. She said no other monger had ever done that before. I guess she had yet to meet a connoisseur such as myself. She had a poem written on one of her butt cheeks. Never knew what it said. Then one day, she altogether disappeared. Never to be seen again. Probably found a suitor. Now Mainhatten, my early visits to that club were decent. But, that was years ago. How I yearn for World to return to its glory days![/QUOTE]Gone with the wind is the beauty of FKK, you do the most dirty thing with the girl of your choice for one night or for few months or few years, then one day, they are gone with the wind forever, it is melancholic nice feeling sexually, not emotionally.

My opinion is that close to the city center upsell clubs tend have more stunners and tend to stay with stunner included line up throughout years because simply, more mongers, more tourists, more office workers, so more money in quantity as upsell is common in those clubs and more clients who are better.

Mainhattan is close to the city, but somehow I never went as I hear or I somehow fixed to my self that lineup is not good as palace. Am I accurate on my hunch?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2607670]If I understood well you are not vaccinated so it is better you stay in Japan, more and more restrictions for the none vaccinated in Europe. Nevertheless I can tell you that the LU in all the FKK and in escort are very poor so better to save your money or you are that hungry that you are able to control your libido like so many mongers on this forum.[/QUOTE]Nope, not vaccinated and try not to till something will push me to and it won't be FKK LOL! Yes, the line up and what you have to do to get to FKK sound very disturbing for me to travel that far and what for? For mediocre half service set up that the situation can only offer now?

It is all open here and I only went once this year and it may be the only one mongering this year LOL but I am satisfied with such an amazing result after months of looking for the stunner Eurasian and as for FKK, I am going to have to stay put till next year if the situation get better, if I emphasize LOL!

Once things are back to normal, there will be many hungry mongers at the passport control of German airports and Zurich airport LOL! FKK refugees LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2607641]I hate that World has fallen off so badly. That used to be one of my favorite clubs with so many hot girls fucking! Will never forget blonde Chanel who was surprised that I took her in the ass twice in one night in two separate sessions. She said no other monger had ever done that before. I guess she had yet to meet a connoisseur such as myself. She had a poem written on one of her butt cheeks. Never knew what it said. Then one day, she altogether disappeared. Never to be seen again. Probably found a suitor. Now Mainhatten, my early visits to that club were decent. But, that was years ago. How I yearn for World to return to its glory days![/QUOTE]I was told around 100 girls on Saturdays nights at World on 2010/2011. At this time, World was number 1, no Sharks which started to grow on 2013/2014. I didn't know World at this time but I spent 9 days on 3 week ends for 11th birthday on end of May / beginning of June 2014, having same 3 girls daily and always in same order for rooms and even added Emanuela on last week end for fourth room of the day. Then visited weekly for 1 year. Best garden. Legendary Kate started at World, discovering her at Sharks, I followed her at Globe.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2607641]I Will never forget blonde Chanel who was surprised that I took her in the ass twice in one night in two separate sessions.[/QUOTE]No wonder she quit!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2607670]If I understood well you are not vaccinated so it is better you stay in Japan, more and more restrictions for the none vaccinated in Europe. Nevertheless I can tell you that the LU in all the FKK and in escort are very poor so better to save your money or you are that hungry that you are able to control your libido like so many mongers on this forum.[/QUOTE]Which clubs did you really visit on this year to tell about casting? PCR may not help in NRW, but I had 8 1 hour rooms with a fresh, full natural supermodel at Sharks who was a bit upset when I decided to take a 3 weeks break not to go with her, I could have more than 10 rooms with her since her arrival on 9 July. If one worked more often, would have been my pleasure to have 6 100/60 rooms with her also at Sharks when had only 3 since end of July. Can still find pretty girls in FKK land. Found Klara at Prestige Neunkirchen, prettier than star Charlotte. Melina is pretty at Finca, didn't go with her only because telling not kissing. I could go with many looks at Wellcum but after Kelli and Lexi, I preferred to give up not to waste my money with small pussies I couldn't full enter, but Lea. Bu was good when I returned after Zoncolan Sutrio side. I only agree about disappointing casting at Globe now, even I enjoyed twice with very fresh full natural Swiss Adriana. Not so bad for me on this year when I still enjoyed some beauties when I really visit.

In planning for my next trip to "Germongery", I have a very good idea of what cities and clubs I want to visit, with the exception of in the Dusseldorf area. So, looking for feedback and / or input from experienced Dusseldorf mongers regarding "must-see" clubs in and around that city. I am aware of all of the "majors" in the area, but looking for some impressions from those with experience. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Leduq;2606863]
Covid safety: neither. They check the vaccination at the door, but inside no one is wearing a mask. At Sharks especially everyone is stuck against another and no one cares. With Oase operating at 30% capacity you can at least try to keep your distances. This way you are only exposed to the girl in the room (which isn't much better anyways.).
[/QUOTE]It's good to hear that things are getting back to normal. Glad that no one is wearing mask, and nor should that be enforced. That's the way FKK used to be, should be, and will always be. Since everyone is already vaccinated (to get in), what the fuck is wearing the mask for? I'm glad no one cares, nor should every one in the club. Keeping your distances? For what? The fear of getting Covid is so irrational, illogical, and just fucking nuts. I think I'm ready partying stuck against one another in the crowd again and getting back to the game. Life goes on.

[QUOTE=MoneySign;2607947]It's good to hear that things are getting back to normal. Glad that no one is wearing mask, and nor should that be enforced. That's the way FKK used to be, should be, and will always be. Since everyone is already vaccinated (to get in), what the fuck is wearing the mask for? I'm glad no one cares, nor should every one in the club. Keeping your distances? For what? The fear of getting Covid is so irrational, illogical, and just fucking nuts. I think I'm ready partying stuck against one another in the crowd again and getting back to the game. Life goes on.[/QUOTE]Samya and Sharks staff ask to put on mask when moving in club. Except this, not much changed for me and I m even lucky at Sharks when I was not much after Megan left on beginning of 2017.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2607835]No wonder she quit![/QUOTE]She's the one who approached me and asked to be butt fucked the first time around. And she happily went along the second time. So wasn't like she was complaining.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2607910]In planning for my next trip to "Germongery", I have a very good idea of what cities and clubs I want to visit, with the exception of in the Dusseldorf area. So, looking for feedback and / or input from experienced Dusseldorf mongers regarding "must-see" clubs in and around that city. I am aware of all of the "majors" in the area, but looking for some impressions from those with experience. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The landscape may change as I read that Goldentime is bought by the owner of oceans, if so, it may turn into upsell clubs and line up may change, I think for better as oceans has similar to Artemis line up, but smaller, 95% ugly, but 5% can be stunner. Less anal sex going in duss region I think as line up is younger in general, they tend to be more teenage look line up there in duss, it is best to combine Frankfurt clubs and duss clubs as it is very close with ice train. To your anal days LOL!

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2607835]No wonder she quit![/QUOTE]Mongers are allowed to anal fuck girls in FKK many time as we want to as long as girls agree and most girls quit after few years anyways due to they reach their limit or money they wanted make or found better option like stupid sugar daddy found in FKK or family or boyfriend found out, but in most cases their boyfrends and family kind of sense or know what these girls are doing in Germany because working in event company or restaurant do not make such an amount of money, but taking strangers dick in her mouth, pussy or anal twice per night do LOL! It is her choice and our choice what to do in FKK including putting penis into same girls anal twice within few hours LOL! Oh these girls love these pain in the ass LOL! And we too love it too LOL! It is true synergy effect through anal LOL! Anal communication LOL! Double Anal communication LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2608031]She's the one who approached me and asked to be butt fucked the first time around. And she happily went along the second time. So wasn't like she was complaining.[/QUOTE]Once they clean their Ausfhart by enema out it is then in their best interest do as many anal sessions as possible in order to be more efficient.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2608010]Samya and Sharks staff ask to put on mask when moving in club. Except this, not much changed for me and I m even lucky at Sharks when I was not much after Megan left on beginning of 2017.[/QUOTE]Funny at Sharks, staff running after Balkanians to ask to put on mask, not easy to get for staff. At Samya, Turkish don't try to chat about when staff ask them.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2608148]Once they clean their Ausfhart by enema out it is then in their best interest do as many anal sessions as possible in order to be more efficient.[/QUOTE]200 CHF extra at Globe and no girl never proposed me.

For Anal sex lover, NRW is 50 euro if it stay the same after new owner at GT and LR, so those two maybe the place price wise, but quality of lineup is bit down for those two clubs, but still do find good ones some times LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2608148]Once they clean their Ausfhart by enema out it is then in their best interest do as many anal sessions as possible in order to be more efficient.[/QUOTE]It is incredible how many dicks these girls pussies, mouth / jaws and ass can take!

Tokyo has most numbers of Michelin stars for like 10 consecutive years in a row, then of course Paris and I take my hat off for sophisticated part of French people for such rating.

But for me, I rate German as highest Michelin rating for gourmet because I love eating German beautiful stunners among other international stunners beautiful body, ass, pussy, mouth etc LOL! Germany offer the best international cuisine for real connoisseur that only few knows about LOL! Oh I had the finest dining experiences at this food chain called German FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2607910]In planning for my next trip to "Germongery", I have a very good idea of what cities and clubs I want to visit, with the exception of in the Dusseldorf area. So, looking for feedback and / or input from experienced Dusseldorf mongers regarding "must-see" clubs in and around that city. I am aware of all of the "majors" in the area, but looking for some impressions from those with experience. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Somebody has got to have some useful intel and impressions about the Dusseldorf clubs.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2608695]Some of you guys are a piece of work. I mean really! What do you really know about it? Don't know what I ever did to rub you wrong hommes! I report it the way it went down.[/QUOTE]There are those who criticize others because it make them thinks they are the good guys in the brothel called FKK where you put penis into girls mouth by changing their will for 30 min by paying 50 euro per 30 min LOL! But some mongers are so mentally gone that they think they are getting sex in FKK because of their good manner or good behavior, but in reality, we mongers are all in same cave doing same shit as others LOL!

One has to fuck like Pierre woodman in FKK, go hard on anal, go hard LOL! True mongers are anal ripper like the jack the ripper, go stretch that anal of beautiful girls LOL! More of them are better LOL!

Basically, these mongers who complain and moan are what I call Vegetarian mongers or Vegan mongers, we are more like hunter mongers LOL! We are the international flying prostitute hunters LOL! The anal stretchers LOL The anal rippers LOL! And I am the pioneer of sitting on stunners girls face with my ass crack wide open and make them lick and put their tongue in my anal LOL! This is what I call divine position LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2608702]Somebody has got to have some useful intel and impressions about the Dusseldorf clubs.[/QUOTE]Nobody can because there are only LR, GT and Oceans as main clubs in Duss area (cologne you know them), but thing is that GT and LR is closed at the moment, and there is rumor that they were at last GT was bought by Oceans owner. So only thing people can tell you is Oceans club, just don't goto oceans before 5 pm, line up is not slim, but slimmest in all the clubs I went in oceans before 5 pm! Like 10 girls max level.

Since we do not know how GT or LR will turn out with new owner if they ever reopen, I would risk hedge and combine duss trip with frankfurt with ICE train, it is like 1.5 . Hour or 2 hours train ride and since you stay by hotels near HBF. It is easy trip for you and book tickets on internet in advance can get you amazing deals for under 100 euro easy return!

Happy hunting in 2022 and until then you can dream and make good use of your right hand LOL! We are all in gutter, but some of us are looking at stars LOL! IF things are back to near normal in 2022 this is LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2608702]Somebody has got to have some useful intel and impressions about the Dusseldorf clubs.[/QUOTE]I reported on several clubs that I visited at the start of September, Acapulco Gold seems to be the only FKK that has many girls during the day, there was one stunner there that was would be grabbed by a new customer every 30 minutes, prices are still €40 per session. I found Prime and Penelope to be dead during the day with few girls, more would start showing up in the evening. I spent five days there before I moved on to Frankfurt and then Cologne.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2608702]Somebody has got to have some useful intel and impressions about the Dusseldorf clubs.[/QUOTE]In other forums people seem to have been impressed by the LU at Babylon in Elsdorf. If I was near Cologne or Duss, I would pay a visit there. Happy hunting!

The only club in nrw with rather decent prices and enough girls is Acapulco gold indeed. Prime ex aca velbert is mostly a desert now. GT and LR are closed. Phg is an up sell feast. Rheingold is depleted. If you're OK to drive, 6 sens has a good number of girls.

And any recent updates from anybody on Dolce Vita, Planet Happy Garden, and Magnum? Again, much appreciated! By the way, isn't "Prime" the new name for Acapulco? Also, I have never heard of "Penelope" (strange name for a club).

[QUOTE=TheCane;2608702]Somebody has got to have some useful intel and impressions about the Dusseldorf clubs.[/QUOTE]I don t care about others experience when I make my own, from a different guy, way. Cheap Gold, Samya, maybe sauna club Venus, not RTC, and Magnum and PHG at night, when PHG entry is 40 before 4 pm. Also 6 ens NL not far.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2608902]And any recent updates from anybody on Dolce Vita, Planet Happy Garden, and Magnum? Again, much appreciated! By the way, isn't "Prime" the new name for Acapulco? Also, I have never heard of "Penelope" (strange name for a club).[/QUOTE]You might as well add SixSense to your list since no one seems to mention that club lately. No one goes there any more? Is it still open?

[QUOTE=MoneySign;2608976]You might as well add SixSense to your list since no one seems to mention that club lately. No one goes there any more? Is it still open?[/QUOTE]Yes 6 ens is open and some regulars there tell better than Sharks they don t visit. When I will finish my sport tour, I will go to give a look to compare 2 Vanquish I enjoyed on this Summer, 1 for her fresh natural beauty, 1 for her natural elegance, when I remember Prius looks at 6 ens. 1 Nobel award spent 290€ on a day for RTC girls, when I spend around 300 for my 2 beauties, prettier than at Globe, at Sharks. Different leagues for level.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2608872]In other forums people seem to have been impressed by the LU at Babylon in Elsdorf. If I was near Cologne or Duss, I would pay a visit there. Happy hunting![/QUOTE]I've done the clubs in the Cologne area before. They were OK, but the scene was not good enough to make me want to go back. Only Dusseldorf and Augsburg (easy to figure out) are left for me as less than fully explored territories in Germany.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2608902]And any recent updates from anybody on Dolce Vita, Planet Happy Garden, and Magnum? Again, much appreciated! By the way, isn't "Prime" the new name for Acapulco? Also, I have never heard of "Penelope" (strange name for a club).[/QUOTE]Prime is the new name for Acapulco Velbert. 15 girls on a Saturday evening. Penelope is rather far away, it as the same owners as Acapulco Gold. Magnum, PHG, DV: no idea.

Saunaclub Venus (in Hamminkeln, not the RTC from Duisburg= is a nice place with a few hot girls but I don't think that lot of them provide anal.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2608999]Prime is the new name for Acapulco Velbert. 15 girls on a Saturday evening. Penelope is rather far away, it as the same owners as Acapulco Gold. Magnum, PHG, DV: no idea.

Saunaclub Venus (in Hamminkeln, not the RTC from Duisburg= is a nice place with a few hot girls but I don't think that lot of them provide anal.[/QUOTE]It sound like there are other owner changes to other FKK clubs? GT and LR may change the name too and in case of LR being raided so frequently by police for whatever reasons before, new owner if there is any may not reopen it or Ocean owner has more contact in police or fed to sort out the problem LR seemed to have before? Many dark things going on behind FKK industry isn't it or at least grey thing, but we mongers thrive colorfully in grey side of the ecosystem LOL!

Watching are Kelly news here and man LOL! How US media write about this case is over the top calling him the worst Predator the fed ever hunted it said LOL! Hunted LOL!

Mongers are prostitute hunters, but there seems to be hunters who are out there to hunt us prostitute hunters LOL I understood about under age part, but US is making their society like Saudi Araba level, but with Jesus, meaning you cannot just fuck in USA like we are doing in Germany LOL!

All these guys had to do is to fly to Germany and fuck 18 years old and little before, 16 years old was legal in brothel in Switzerland too! Or they can go to eastern Europe to fuck 18 years old! Or there are many other choices in south America too or Asia as long as they use bit of their money and fly! But they stayed in USA and did this and boom, they pay life grave price for their action!

Man! I thought are Kelly could fly like his song I believe I can fly and touch the sky, but he did not and look what he got LOL! USA is becoming scary place if you want to have good sex life like we are having! At least weed is legalized there, but all this sex things in USA is only true in movie, but in reality it is almost Saudi Arabia level, but with different religion and belief, but same in practice LOL!

Saudi Arabia has more freedom that the USA. At least the Saudis can have four wives and they have to obey the husband. Plus they have fully automatic weapons which are banned in the USA. And they have cheaper gas prices in Saudi and also nicer cars there too.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2609136]Watching are Kelly news here and man LOL! How US media write about this case is over the top calling him the worst Predator the fed ever hunted it said LOL! Hunted LOL!

Mongers are prostitute hunters, but there seems to be hunters who are out there to hunt us prostitute hunters LOL I understood about under age part, but US is making their society like Saudi Araba level, but with Jesus, meaning you cannot just fuck in USA like we are doing in Germany LOL!

All these guys had to do is to fly to Germany and fuck 18 years old and little before, 16 years old was legal in brothel in Switzerland too! Or they can go to eastern Europe to fuck 18 years old! Or there are many other choices in south America too or Asia as long as they use bit of their money and fly! But they stayed in USA and did this and boom, they pay life grave price for their action!

Man! I thought are Kelly could fly like his song I believe I can fly and touch the sky, but he did not and look what he got LOL! USA is becoming scary place if you want to have good sex life like we are having! At least weed is legalized there, but all this sex things in USA is only true in movie, but in reality it is almost Saudi Arabia level, but with different religion and belief, but same in practice LOL![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2609150]Saudi Arabia has more freedom that the USA. At least the Saudis can have four wives and they have to obey the husband. Plus they have fully automatic weapons which are banned in the USA. And they have cheaper gas prices in Saudi and also nicer cars there too.[/QUOTE]So, perhaps you would like to relocate to that wonderfully liberal and open country of Saudi Arabia then?

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2609150]Saudi Arabia has more freedom that the USA. At least the Saudis can have four wives and they have to obey the husband. Plus they have fully automatic weapons which are banned in the USA. And they have cheaper gas prices in Saudi and also nicer cars there too.[/QUOTE]Right on maybe LOL, but things in USA is going bit too far with this women thing LOL! Radicals! But monger believed we can fly and we did and it served us well for my fellow USA mongers and I am glad for you guys LOL!

Now! Administrator, I wrote are Kelly, are kelly is a are and be singer and please as usual you edit my post always wrongly and changed are Kelly to Are kelly! Please administrator, when you edit my posts, edit it correctly because every time you change the whole meaning of my posts by this false editing like in some communist country! It is are Kelly with are and if you do not know, please google it, he is an african american singer who is very talented in late 90's and early 2000's. You may like his songs. It is not like I am a fan of are Kelly, but I did listen to his song back then! He is another of many talented African American singer. And all he had do was to fly to Europe or eastern Europe like his hit song I believe I can fly, but he himself did not fly to monger and look what happened to him!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2608993]I've done the clubs in the Cologne area before. They were OK, but the scene was not good enough to make me want to go back. Only Dusseldorf and Augsburg (easy to figure out) are left for me as less than fully explored territories in Germany.[/QUOTE]Every day Samya LU is very beautiful. Today 30+ girls, weekend was easily 60+. Besides weekends, today, the worst day, Monday, and LU was perfect and the girls were just sitting on their asses (instead of being properly butt fucked) with almost no business. Lots of young guys in their 20's and early 30's and mostly getting seriously drunk and dancing, perhaps doing 1-2 rooms per night. For heavens sake, when I was young their age I could finish 8 times in a day. Mr. Cane, you should give Samya a try. Unfortunately I cannot speak about specific girls and their levels of service, because I don't talk to many of them simply because my all-time favorite (PM me for her name because she will kill me if I say it in the open, the little ho reads this forum), so she is working and I make many many very very happy rooms with her. Biggest problem is loud music, I constantly plug my ears with cotton balls, which are working better than regular ear plugs. Last but not least this past week there was some messe in Koln so mgmt brought 10 or so girls from Mondial, all good looking WGs if you know what I mean.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2609157]So, perhaps you would like to relocate to that wonderfully liberal and open country of Saudi Arabia then?[/QUOTE]Most liberal one must be Brazil, prostitution is legal, set up nice format and other things you can buy with money to great extent as it is corrupt LOL! You don't get safety everywhere though!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2609167]Right on maybe LOL, but things in USA is going bit too far with this women thing LOL! Radicals! But monger believed we can fly and we did and it served us well for my fellow USA mongers and I am glad for you guys LOL!

Now! Administrator, I wrote are Kelly, are kelly is a are and be singer and please as usual you edit my post always wrongly and changed are Kelly to Are kelly! Please administrator, when you edit my posts, edit it correctly because every time you change the whole meaning of my posts by this false editing like in some communist country! It is are Kelly with are and if you do not know, please google it, he is an african american singer who is very talented in late 90's and early 2000's. You may like his songs. It is not like I am a fan of are Kelly, but I did listen to his song back then! He is another of many talented African American singer. And all he had do was to fly to Europe or eastern Europe like his hit song I believe I can fly, but he himself did not fly to monger and look what happened to him![/QUOTE]Don't forget other political prisoners such as Bill see. (now released), Harvey W, and the famous porn actor Ron J. There is a witch hunt in the USA for men who have sex with too many. The powers that be want men with high sex drives to be put down. This is also why they add estrogenic components to the food supply and genetically engineered foods and additives.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2608902]And any recent updates from anybody on Dolce Vita, Planet Happy Garden, and Magnum? Again, much appreciated! By the way, isn't "Prime" the new name for Acapulco? Also, I have never heard of "Penelope" (strange name for a club).[/QUOTE]Prime is the former Acapulco in Velbert, it's been taken over by the owners of Magnum and so far very quiet during the day. Penelope is the former Great Palace in Castrop Rauxel.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2609287]Prime is the former Acapulco in Velbert, it's been taken over by the owners of Magnum and so far very quiet during the day. Penelope is the former Great Palace in Castrop Rauxel.[/QUOTE]AFAIK by the owners of Salome, not Magnum. Are you sure?

Hi,

American currently living in France but will travel to Germany to try FKK Clubs for the first time. Since it will be my first time in Germany and also visiting a club. What city and clubs would you recommend for newbies. Also what should I expect rate wise with the ladies. I know you can always negotiate but I like to somewhat budget ahead of time. All info is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2609212]Don't forget other political prisoners such as Bill see. (now released), Harvey W, and the famous porn actor Ron J. There is a witch hunt in the USA for men who have sex with too many. The powers that be want men with high sex drives to be put down. This is also why they add estrogenic components to the food supply and genetically engineered foods and additives.[/QUOTE]I put it in the mental framework of the female imperative versus the male imperative from the book The Rational Male. I'm not disagreeing with you. It is just an added dimension. You are right about it being political IMHO.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2609212]Don't forget other political prisoners such as Bill see. (now released), Harvey W, and the famous porn actor Ron J. There is a witch hunt in the USA for men who have sex with too many. The powers that be want men with high sex drives to be put down. This is also why they add estrogenic components to the food supply and genetically engineered foods and additives.[/QUOTE]Ok, how about this, I admit that some of these guys pushed it bit too far, but what I am pointing out is how mass media are writing about this and also what some of these lawyers and politicians and commentators are saying LOL! It is not liberal what so ever at all LOL! Someone once kept on mentioning sex prison USA, but there are some truth in it and also many society is like that!

Even Germany, as free as it actually is, these mindset is engraved deep in society and it shows up sometimes like when Artemis boss was arrested few years ago, the way media was writing about Artemis is so untrue, but public will read this and believe this LOL! Media was saying that Artemis is biker gang hang out with many girls forced to work against their will with sex trafficking style manner with drugs in the club etc LOL! I know there are some girls who are pimped and some drugs are there, but not in the manner the media wrote about it and it is not Artemis who is operating in such ways, but these bad intention of society is engraved in every society and it comes up in the time like that. So we mongers are hidden kind, keep moving effortlessly fucking stunner girls without anyone knowing LOL!

SmokeLigh,

I used to do minimum 5 rooms with all cum and sometimes even 7 rooms with all cum, that was in early 2010's when I was in my early 30's, now that I am in my 40's, I can do 3 rooms with all cum then I need some booster from 4th room LOL! Or I just do 3 good rooms and go back to hotel, but I somehow have this mindset that I need to fuck more so I often take booster pill from 4th room and repeat the stunners that I just session with as there usually are now only 1 to max 3 stunners in the clubs, mostly just 1 stunner LOL!

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2609291]AFAIK by the owners of Salome, not Magnum. Are you sure?[/QUOTE]You are right. And the former Acapulco owners now operate Penelope.

This prosecutor is talking about us beside it is not under age and our beautiful stunning girls are voice-full demanding 150 euro per hour or even 200 euro per hour sometimes LOL!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYZ9IAgAqO4[/URL]

R Kelly should have kept it 18 and just fly like his song I believe I can fly because clearly he did not fly LOL!

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2609291]AFAIK by the owners of Salome, not Magnum. Are you sure?[/QUOTE]You are the first to say that it was Salome, I've read here and elsewhere that it's Magnum.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2609671]You are the first to say that it was Salome, I've read here and elsewhere that it's Magnum.[/QUOTE]I don't think Prime ex Acapulco have something to do with Magnum / PHG when Vanila was their brother. Isn't Prime with Castrop Rauxel ex Great Palace? Gold was with another club: Penelope? Ex masseuse Anais dancing there.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2609671]You are the first to say that it was Salome, I've read here and elsewhere that it's Magnum.[/QUOTE]I also think it's Salome.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2609212]Don't forget other political prisoners such as Bill see. (now released), Harvey W, and the famous porn actor Ron J. There is a witch hunt in the USA for men who have sex with too many. The powers that be want men with high sex drives to be put down. This is also why they add estrogenic components to the food supply and genetically engineered foods and additives.[/QUOTE]Isn't the issue with ones you named how they got the sex rather than the amount of sex they got?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2609766]Isn't the issue with ones you named how they got the sex rather than the amount of sex they got?[/QUOTE]In the United States it's about both how and how much. Believe this. Enjoy having "too much" sex, and you're automatically branded a "sex addict!"

[QUOTE=MrHo;2609545]SmokeLigh,

I used to do minimum 5 rooms with all cum and sometimes even 7 rooms with all cum, that was in early 2010's when I was in my early 30's, now that I am in my 40's, I can do 3 rooms with all cum then I need some booster from 4th room LOL! Or I just do 3 good rooms and go back to hotel, but I somehow have this mindset that I need to fuck more so I often take booster pill from 4th room and repeat the stunners that I just session with as there usually are now only 1 to max 3 stunners in the clubs, mostly just 1 stunner LOL![/QUOTE]As they say: the best fuck is always the next one! Cheers.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2609766]Isn't the issue with ones you named how they got the sex rather than the amount of sex they got?[/QUOTE]The "how" is merely a pretext for too much. The prosecutions in the USA can cover 10 to 20 years previous infractions well after a person forgot about what even happened 20 years years ago.

Most are based off of money extortion and / or random allegation of someone decades after. Thus nobody is really safe and all sex should be minimized or reduced to be safe. Rather than go after dangerous criminals such as those committing armed robberies or dangerous attacks, the government of the USA goes after easy prosecutions wherein the defendants are demonized and a crime is fabricated to fit the needs of the government.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2609545]SmokeLigh,

I used to do minimum 5 rooms with all cum and sometimes even 7 rooms with all cum, that was in early 2010's when I was in my early 30's, now that I am in my 40's, I can do 3 rooms with all cum then I need some booster from 4th room LOL! Or I just do 3 good rooms and go back to hotel, but I somehow have this mindset that I need to fuck more so I often take booster pill from 4th room and repeat the stunners that I just session with as there usually are now only 1 to max 3 stunners in the clubs, mostly just 1 stunner LOL![/QUOTE]I could and would do more rooms a day if I saw enough tutes that I liked each day. The thing is that over the years my standards have gotten higher and higher to the point that I'm lucky to see as many as three girls in a day that I want. So these days, I'm happy to session anywhere from 1 to 3 times a day, depending on what I find. That's enough to keep me happy, and I spend less money too. When I first started mongering (in Latin America) I used to show up and slam fuck 7 or 8 tutes on the first night. And nut in every last single one of them too LOL! I don't have that "thirst" any more. These tutes have to be of a higher standard to give me a boner now hahaha!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2609705]I also think it's Salome.[/QUOTE]Back when Acapulco was changing ownership and was closed for several months (prior to covid closures), the Acapulco website redirected to the Salome website.

Penelope (old Great Palace) is operated by the same former Acapulco and Acapulco Gold guys. A couple of years ago, the Acapulco counter would have flyers / cards for both AG and Penelope. Their email newsletter even promoted the sister clubs. They even took the old white couches from the original Acapulco. Many same staff members, same soda machines, same espresso machines, same plastic cups.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2609837]I could and would do more rooms a day if I saw enough tutes that I liked each day. The thing is that over the years my standards have gotten higher and higher to the point that I'm lucky to see as many as three girls in a day that I want. So these days, I'm happy to session anywhere from 1 to 3 times a day, depending on what I find. That's enough to keep me happy, and I spend less money too. When I first started mongering (in Latin America) I used to show up and slam fuck 7 or 8 tutes on the first night. And nut in every last single one of them too LOL! I don't have that "thirst" any more. These tutes have to be of a higher standard to give me a boner now hahaha![/QUOTE]I do at least two rooms as in if I do not see any other stunner, I just repeat the room with the stunner I just sessioned with. There has been some times I left clubs without room namely GT Bruggen to go to LR then ended up in oceans to find just one stunner in three clubs I went in one day LOL!! So I feel you about the standard going higher and higher! It is a good thing, I always had higher standard, but keep on putting the hurdle higher because we can LOL!

We are lucky and I am grateful for the opportunity life has given to me without going to jail like some guys who did not fly LOL!

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2609792]As they say: the best fuck is always the next one! Cheers.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it is never enough, but when I used to do 5 to 7 rooms per day all with cum with different stunners that used to be around a lot in early 2010's in FKK, I had enough after 5th or 7th room that I did not want to see pussies anymore, till the next morning LOL! I used to do this 10 to max 14 days every day FKK LOL! It was my golden era, but now 2 to 3 rooms of one hour each amazing session is good!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2609854]Back when Acapulco was changing ownership and was closed for several months (prior to covid closures), the Acapulco website redirected to the Salome website.

Penelope (old Great Palace) is operated by the same former Acapulco and Acapulco Gold guys. A couple of years ago, the Acapulco counter would have flyers / cards for both AG and Penelope. Their email newsletter even promoted the sister clubs. They even took the old white couches from the original Acapulco. Many same staff members, same soda machines, same espresso machines, same plastic cups.[/QUOTE]Clubs change owner quite a bit! Artemis' Kennan brothers lasting long even survive the raid and false arrest LOL and also pandemic it seems LOL! Go Kennan LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2609212]Don't forget other political prisoners such as Bill see. (now released), Harvey W, and the famous porn actor Ron J. There is a witch hunt in the USA for men who have sex with too many. The powers that be want men with high sex drives to be put down. This is also why they add estrogenic components to the food supply and genetically engineered foods and additives.[/QUOTE]The US is run by the religious right who are a bunch of perverts and pedophiles and worse. They want the people to believe that they are moral so they persecute men who have lots of sex with consenting women. They hate these men because they are unable to have normal sex.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2610126]The US is run by the religious right who are a bunch of perverts and pedophiles and worse. They want the people to believe that they are moral so they persecute men who have lots of sex with consenting women. They hate these men because they are unable to have normal sex.[/QUOTE]Secret mongering world is run by serious serial mongers, who are pervert and enabled their dreams come true for 50 euro per 30 min LOL We are 50 euro kinda legal guys LOL!

I read that 76.6 % of Venezuelan people are under poverty line due to pandemic lock down and its related effect, which means girls will seek for income somewhere and one lucrative choice is tuting somewhere. Now, in FKK, I met a gorgeous stunner from Venezuela that turned out to be from Argentina, but wow she was so stunner and so good in bed, extremely wild girl she was that cannot be forgotten!

Let us see if Venezuelan can get to FKK after corona pandemic! Year 2022 and on are looking good for us flying mongers LOL! I expect good line up for next at least 5 years staring from 2022 or 2023 LOL!

Have to be registered since 2018 to work in Germany. Out of EU just fallen from the plane can t, except from EU colonies. Reason why also no more real Ukrainians nor Russians fallen from tupolev. But still few fresh lovely enjoyable beauties.

I remember Gabriella from Venezuela who was at Oase and later Artemis. She was really good. Who knows if she really was from Venezuela but she wasn't Romanian at least.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2611211]I read that 76.6 % of Venezuelan people are under poverty line due to pandemic lock down and its related effect, which means girls will seek for income somewhere and one lucrative choice is tuting somewhere. Now, in FKK, I met a gorgeous stunner from Venezuela that turned out to be from Argentina, but wow she was so stunner and so good in bed, extremely wild girl she was that cannot be forgotten!

Let us see if Venezuelan can get to FKK after corona pandemic! Year 2022 and on are looking good for us flying mongers LOL! I expect good line up for next at least 5 years staring from 2022 or 2023 LOL![/QUOTE]

To those who have come from USA recently.

According to what this website.

[URL]https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de/[/URL]#/5.

People flying in from United States will need to do digital registration before your fly time. I am confused and have some questions.

1) It asks me to provide address in Germany, Can I just use my hotel address then?

2) With me being fully vaccinated, I do not need to be self quarantine for 10 days, right?

3) Do I get pdf file or QR code once I submitted this digital registration form?

Thank you for your advise.

1) It asks me to provide address in Germany, Can I just use my hotel address then?

Exactly. Put down the address where you are staying in Germany.

2) With me being fully vaccinated, I do not need to be self quarantine for 10 days, right?

At the end of the questionnaire, there will be an option to upload the proof of your vaccination, like American CDC card. So do this before entering the data: take a photo of the front and back of your CDC card, and upload the images at the end. Once you get confirmation from the website that your vaccine proof has uploaded successfully, that's it, no need to quarantine.

3) Do I get pdf file or QR code once I submitted this digital registration form?

They give you the link to download a pdf file which contains your name, DOB, link to the vaccination proof that you have uploaded, QR code, and the bar code. To access vaccination proof you also need a PIN (instructions are included in PDF) which they send to your email or your phone via SMS. Since you must verify your phone anyways at the beginning of your data entry, I don't see a reason to use email. But don't lose the PIN, best to maybe write it down somewhere and always have it with you.

In reality, you don't need any of this unless you run into some serious situation like police razzia. Your airline will ask for the PDF file you downloaded in step 3 and that's where it all gets checked, nothing else. That's my experience in September.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2611370]I remember Gabriella from Venezuela who was at Oase and later Artemis. She was really good. Who knows if she really was from Venezuela but she wasn't Romanian at least.[/QUOTE]It was around 2011 when I had sessions with Gabriella. She was quite popular and I often had to wait a long time for her to be free. To me, she was really pretty, had fantastic tits and butt, and a very attractive personality. Unfortunately, I did not know she went to Artemis, or I would have gone there to hunt for her.
Those were the days when all my regulars at Oase were not Romanian. They were Swiss Michelle, German Tessa, Hungarian Heidi, Czech Elizabeth and Polish Alicia. 2 years later, they were all gone and only Romanians were available.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2611370]I remember Gabriella from Venezuela who was at Oase and later Artemis. She was really good. Who knows if she really was from Venezuela but she wasn't Romanian at least.[/QUOTE]I got to know mine was Argentinian and not Venezuelan as she said because the manager slipped her mouth and told me when I asked where is Chloe, and she said the Argentinian girl? LOL!

[QUOTE=DaWong949;2611513]
1) It asks me to provide address in Germany, Can I just use my hotel address then?[/QUOTE]Yes.

[QUOTE=DaWong949;2611513]
2) With me being fully vaccinated, I do not need to be self quarantine for 10 days, right?[/QUOTE]You don't need to quarantine if you have been vaccinated more than 14 days before your arrival date.

[QUOTE=DaWong949;2611513]
3) Do I get pdf file or QR code once I submitted this digital registration form?[/QUOTE]I did receive an email (in German from the [B]Landkreis[/B], not the state or national government) acknowledging receipt after I registered warning me of the consequences of not going into quarantine but after reading down, I saw that this applied only if I had not been vaccinated.

I did not travel from the USA but the requirements are the same.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2611604]It was around 2011 when I had sessions with Gabriella. She was quite popular and I often had to wait a long time for her to be free. To me, she was really pretty, had fantastic tits and butt, and a very attractive personality. Unfortunately, I did not know she went to Artemis, or I would have gone there to hunt for her.
Those were the days when all my regulars at Oase were not Romanian. They were Swiss Michelle, German Tessa, Hungarian Heidi, Czech Elizabeth and Polish Alicia. 2 years later, they were all gone and only Romanians were available.[/QUOTE]Man those were really the days. I visited FKKs for four years before I had my first Romanian. Prior to around 2012 Romanians had a reputation for poor service to the extent that many Romanian girls said they from Italy or other countries. However, the Polish, Czech, Russian, Ukrainian and even German girls gave stellar service. German Tessa brings back so many memories, have not thought of her in a long while. Remember Sunny? :-)

[QUOTE=Turgid;2611748]Man those were really the days. I visited FKKs for four years before I had my first Romanian. Prior to around 2012 Romanians had a reputation for poor service to the extent that many Romanian girls said they from Italy or other countries. However, the Polish, Czech, Russian, Ukrainian and even German girls gave stellar service. German Tessa brings back so many memories, have not thought of her in a long while. Remember Sunny?.[/QUOTE]German Tessa was so sexy, I couldn't say no to her. She then moved to GT-Bruggen and then I don't know.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2611748]Man those were really the days. I visited FKKs for four years before I had my first Romanian. Prior to around 2012 Romanians had a reputation for poor service to the extent that many Romanian girls said they from Italy or other countries. However, the Polish, Czech, Russian, Ukrainian and even German girls gave stellar service. German Tessa brings back so many memories, have not thought of her in a long while. Remember Sunny?[/QUOTE]When I started, already Romanian land and fortunately for me when I had so many great for love in bed. I learned to love them and didn't find many Germans competing for beauty and sensual for sex. If no Romanians, Germans would ask 100/30 and at least 150/60 .

[QUOTE=Downandup;2611671]Yes.

You don't need to quarantine if you have been vaccinated more than 14 days before your arrival date.

I did receive an email (in German from the [B]Landkreis[/B], not the state or national government) acknowledging receipt after I registered warning me of the consequences of not going into quarantine but after reading down, I saw that this applied only if I had not been vaccinated.

I did not travel from the USA but the requirements are the same.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much!

What if people don't have a hotel then what do they put for an address?

[QUOTE=DaWong949;2611513]To those who have come from USA recently.

According to what this website.

[URL]https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de/[/URL]#/5.

People flying in from United States will need to do digital registration before your fly time. I am confused and have some questions.

1) It asks me to provide address in Germany, Can I just use my hotel address then?

2) With me being fully vaccinated, I do not need to be self quarantine for 10 days, right?

3) Do I get pdf file or QR code once I submitted this digital registration form?

Thank you for your advise.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2611748]German Tessa brings back so many memories, have not thought of her in a long while. Remember Sunny?[/QUOTE]Of course I remember Sunny; a stunner except that I dislike the feel of silicone and so I never went with her.
Sunny was annoyed with me once when I rejected her and took instead another German girl whom she frequently sat with. I can't remember her name as it was not a usual name, but she was tall, slim and had small boobs. Do you recall her name?
My ideal look is that of Tessa - slim, tanned and pixie face. Only downside of Tessa was that she was rather cold in the room, unlike the exuberant Michelle and Gabriella.

That reminds me of 2 other good blondes I sessioned with (but not regularly) in that era: Czech Hannah and Polish Victoria.

And I must not forget mention of super skinny Hungarian Judith; not pretty in my eyes but service was excellent. Later on she put on more and more darkish make-up around her eyes until I felt too repelled to go with her any more.

I miss all these non-Romanians. I think the large influx of Romanians when they were freely allowed to work in the EU as from 2014 probably made it too competitive for the others.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2611847]What if people don't have a hotel then what do they put for an address?[/QUOTE]Marriott Presidential Suite or any hostel room. Just pick a hotel in the area where you going.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2611918]Of course I remember Sunny; a stunner except that I dislike the feel of silicone and so I never went with her.
Sunny was annoyed with me once when I rejected her and took instead another German girl whom she frequently sat with. I can't remember her name as it was not a usual name, but she was tall, slim and had small boobs. Do you recall her name?
My ideal look is that of Tessa - slim, tanned and pixie face. Only downside of Tessa was that she was rather cold in the room, unlike the exuberant Michelle and Gabriella.

That reminds me of 2 other good blondes I sessioned with (but not regularly) in that era: Czech Hannah and Polish Victoria.

And I must not forget mention of super skinny Hungarian Judith; not pretty in my eyes but service was excellent. Later on she put on more and more darkish make-up around her eyes until I felt too repelled to go with her any more.

I miss all these non-Romanians. I think the large influx of Romanians when they were freely allowed to work in the EU as from 2014 probably made it too competitive for the others.[/QUOTE]I really cannot remember the name of the German who you mentioned. If she was as you have described I must have been with her. I'll have to consult my notes. The other names you mentioned are all familiar. Back then there were also mixed chicks like the excellent Ukrainian / Brazillian I had and the German / American. Then there was this babe from England (or was it Scotland) with the big boobs who I never got to sample as she was in great demand and I would rate per perhaps a 6. 5. Sunny was definitely one to have had at least once as she had excellent kegel skills, she used to make me come very quickly. The thing I disliked most about her was her voice, ouch!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2612090]Sunny was definitely one to have had at least once as she had excellent kegel skills, she used to make me come very quickly.[/QUOTE]Pity I did not try her then. Around 2014, I used to queue during each visit to Oase to get my kegel fix from the small, very skinny Romanian with greenish blue hair extensions. And followed her subsequently to Sharks where she was called Cindy. If you had tried this Carla, how do find her kegel compared to that of Sunny?
Later, I found a girl in World called Madi with good kegel, though not as strong as Carla's.

Not a report rather hoping I can establish if its worth visiting around Christmas.

Looking at specific dates 26th, 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th December. First question is, are all FKK's open on all of these dates? And are we talking average, below or above the usual experience.

I am thinking the lady numbers might be down because they start drifting away for New Year? Or not? What is the vibe during this time? Flat atmosphere, calm before the storm, good availability of ladies?

And would there still be Christmas markets on these dates?

I asked a similar question last year about New Year's Eve and got enough of an impression to think New Year is too much hassle. Of course last year did not happen anyway.

If those dates are not up to much I will consider the week before Christmas. I imagine that will be a good buzz with all the Christmas markets and most ladies will still be at work?

Your thoughts appreciated.

[QUOTE=Chris1791;2612769]Not a report rather hoping I can establish if its worth visiting around Christmas.

Looking at specific dates 26th, 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th December. First question is, are all FKK's open on all of these dates? And are we talking average, below or above the usual experience.

I am thinking the lady numbers might be down because they start drifting away for New Year? Or not? What is the vibe during this time? Flat atmosphere, calm before the storm, good availability of ladies?

And would there still be Christmas markets on these dates?

I asked a similar question last year about New Year's Eve and got enough of an impression to think New Year is too much hassle. Of course last year did not happen anyway.

If those dates are not up to much I will consider the week before Christmas. I imagine that will be a good buzz with all the Christmas markets and most ladies will still be at work?

Your thoughts appreciated.[/QUOTE]Not best time, most of best girls returning to family, be team trying to get better business. Sylvester gay party to avoid. Time for ski if snow. Today already snow on 5 last kilometers up to Stelvio 2758, climbing topless as always with 4 degrees on top, it was a great fresh sunny day, losing less water, muscles remaining more flexible and powerful for third and best Prato Stelvio of Summer. Can already ski on top of Bormio Stelvio. Wish for my best present for Christmas.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2611748]Man those were really the days. I visited FKKs for four years before I had my first Romanian. Prior to around 2012 Romanians had a reputation for poor service to the extent that many Romanian girls said they from Italy or other countries. However, the Polish, Czech, Russian, Ukrainian and even German girls gave stellar service. German Tessa brings back so many memories, have not thought of her in a long while. Remember Sunny?..[/QUOTE]And I am glad we were right in the middle of the golden era of FKK line up LOL! I got no regret for sex life of mine LOL! Early 2010's in FKK was like Studio 54 at its prime but the brothel version LOL!

It may return, who knows, it was just 10 years ago LOL!

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2611918]Sunny was annoyed with me once when I rejected her and took instead another German girl whom she frequently sat with. I can't remember her name as it was not a usual name, but she was tall, slim and had small boobs. Do you recall her name?[/QUOTE]If she was German but of Turkish descent then that would be Kira. Amazingly hot girl.

[QUOTE=Howie;2612837]If she was German but of Turkish descent then that would be Kira. Amazingly hot girl.[/QUOTE]Hi Howie,

Good to hear from you again.

No, she was not Kira. I know who Kira is as she was often with Sunny. The German girl I am wondering about is slimmer and came (about 2 years later) to partner Sunny after Kira left the scene.

By the way, when I went to World the December just before Covid struck, I was told that the beautiful Angelina whom you previously asked about had started her 3rd new job after quitting her first two, but was definitely not returning to this profession again. Sigh, I miss her a great deal, after having had a total of around 30 sessions with her in the 2 year period she worked at World.

Chris,

I confirm what Sirioja posted: holidays between Christmas and Sylvester (New Years) can be challenging unless you stay in touch with certain girls on WhatsApp so you know they will be there. As it gets closer to Christmas, more and more girls go home. In my past experience, Samya and LR always had girls I could session with around the holidays, but LR is gone at least for now. As time runs closer to December I recommend closely monitoring German, Dutch, and French forums to get a vibe of what's going on. You may need to read between the lines in some online posts, because some folks post semi-lies to get a better chance of a free entry ticket via Tombola rounds on these forums. Shorter and factual posts can give you at least general idea on how it goes in the clubs these days.

As for timing, I recommend visiting before Christmas rather than Sylvester. I think you may get better options this way.

My September experience in Samya was just great in terms of optics. Lots of young very beautiful girls but the level of service of course is very basic, don't expect too many wedding nights.

I apologize to McA and Fucked up Swede for not responding to PMs. I respond to every message but my ISG membership is unpaid, and I suspect these people never received my replies.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2612974]Chris,

I confirm what Sirioja posted: holidays between Christmas and Sylvester (New Years) can be challenging unless you stay in touch with certain girls on WhatsApp so you know they will be there. As it gets closer to Christmas, more and more girls go home. In my past experience, Samya and LR always had girls I could session with around the holidays, but LR is gone at least for now. As time runs closer to December I recommend closely monitoring German, Dutch, and French forums to get a vibe of what's going on. You may need to read between the lines in some online posts, because some folks post semi-lies to get a better chance of a free entry ticket via Tombola rounds on these forums. Shorter and factual posts can give you at least general idea on how it goes in the clubs these days.

As for timing, I recommend visiting before Christmas rather than Sylvester. I think you may get better options this way.

My September experience in Samya was just great in terms of optics. Lots of young very beautiful girls but the level of service of course is very basic, don't expect too many wedding nights.

I apologize to McA and Fucked up Swede for not responding to PMs. I respond to every message but my ISG membership is unpaid, and I suspect these people never received my replies.[/QUOTE]Better not to trust so much German forums, not so reliable, not my experiences.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2612557]Pity I did not try her then. Around 2014, I used to queue during each visit to Oase to get my kegel fix from the small, very skinny Romanian with greenish blue hair extensions. And followed her subsequently to Sharks where she was called Cindy. If you had tried this Carla, how do find her kegel compared to that of Sunny?
Later, I found a girl in World called Madi with good kegel, though not as strong as Carla's.[/QUOTE]I can't recall having done Cindy / Carla. Kegel is an art and even if the girl has the skill if it is practised wrong it can be off putting. I actually prefer no kegel to kegel done wrong. There is this escort I have been doing who told me when she is horny (which was every time she has been with me) she does kegel automatically, she never practised to do it and can't control it. The problem is that it hinders my enjoyment rather than adds to it. I have never nutted with her. Fact is though she is one of the most in demand girls. For me the muscles have to be contracted and released in a rhythmical manner matching the rhythm of my thrusts. Sunny did the best kegel I have ever experienced in my decades of having sex.

Trip report. I just got back from Oase on Friday and Saturday for the first time, wow!

I've mongered in several countries: Thailand, Dominican Republic, Dubai, South Kore, America, United Arab Emirates etc. And I have to say Germany FKK Oase is up there. The process was pretty easy. Ring the door bell, walk in, fill out the paper, pay 50 euros, and it's off to the races. The location is a littler bit out of the way but that's for obvious reasons.

Obviously beautiful women everywhere and most looking for a customer would get the point if you said you just wanted to relax and look around first. So they weren't pushy so that's good. There's also no "lady drinks" so that's a bonus (lady drinks are when you buy a woman a drink, usually expensive, and she talks to you).

The layout was nice, spacious, big screen TVs, decent music, etc. I didn't explore the other areas though. I do like how most are topless or bottomless so you know exactly what you're buying.

I also do like the fact that you pay afterwards. That's a bonus in my book.

Service. Some girls are better than others but most are pretty good and understand it's about getting repeat customers. I don't remember any names but do remember I had a Brazilian, Ukrainian, Romanian, Moldavian, etc. All knew conversational English. Some of these women were so hot that you could be exhausted from the previous shag, but you're still ready to go for a new shag. First night I had 3, second night I had 4.

I only do 30 minutes because that's all I need. Some women you can bargain down to 50 euros for 30 minutes but others you can't. I also made sure it's a bareback blowjob, which most are fine with doing. Luckily I didn't have anyone trying to upsell me besides one.

This one lady had a small tattoo on her left collarbone, Maldovian, slim petite, big ass, and I will absolutely repeat her.

I'm pretty young and in decent shape, but to be able to shag this number of hot women in one night is beyond my wildest dreams. I plan to go to sharks as well as other FKKs throughout Germany.

Anyways, yeah. I'm glad I got to experience and I can confirm, from a man who has mongered in several places, it's 100% worth it.

If anyone has questions just let me know. I work and live in Germany, for what it's worth.

Can someone recommend a hotel with a really good gym or a good standalone gym that allows access on a pay per use fee.

Frankfurt area.

Tia.

[QUOTE=SaratogaX;2613308]Can someone recommend a hotel with a really good gym or a good standalone gym that allows access on a pay per use fee.

Frankfurt area.

Tia.[/QUOTE]Roomers, but they are quite pricey, but with escort, it is priceless LOL! Alone, it is pricey LOL!

[QUOTE=SaratogaX;2613308]Can someone recommend a hotel with a really good gym or a good standalone gym that allows access on a pay per use fee.

Frankfurt area.

Tia.[/QUOTE]I've used the FitFox website to find gyms in Germany (Average of 10-12 euro for day passes, or 20-30 e for a 2 week pass). The Eversports App is also good with 6-8 euro day pass options but they don't have many venues in Frankfurt area. I use that app when in NRW.

[URL]https://www.fitfox.de/en/gyms/?search=%22Frankfurt%22[/URL]

Also, a little out the way (halfway between Darmstadt and Frankfurt) but can be on the way if you choose the "scenic" A661 route rather than the A5 to Frankfurt, my go-to gym when visiting Sharks for a few days is Fitness b&K, 7 euro day passes. They've got the nice clean fitness studio up top and the heavy weights dungeon gym in the basement.

Fitness be & K GmbH.

+49 6103 9079588.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/huihmA214fspVCHq6[/URL]

As for hotels, I've only seen a decent one at the Frankfurt Marriott, about 2 km NW of the main trains station. Can't recall ever seeing anything decent at the lower priced gyms.

Frankfurt Marriott Hotel.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/vuAFtY7ewY98QkPf8[/URL]

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2613237]
Anyways, yeah. I'm glad I got to experience and I can confirm, from a man who has mongered in several places, it's 100% worth it.

If anyone has questions just let me know. I work and live in Germany, for what it's worth.[/QUOTE]What's the best time of the year to go? End of the month, middle or beginning? Would it be worth it to go in the winter or should I wait until the summer?

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2613757]What's the best time of the year to go? End of the month, middle or beginning? Would it be worth it to go in the winter or should I wait until the summer?[/QUOTE]Unless you live in Europe, I wouldn't bother. Germany FKK scene is dead now, as you can also see from the minimal activity on this forum. Maybe things will improve by next summer, who knows.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2613237]Trip report. I just got back from Oase on Friday and Saturday for the first time, wow!

I've mongered in several countries: Thailand, Dominican Republic, Dubai, South Kore, America, United Arab Emirates etc. And I have to say Germany FKK Oase is up there. The process was pretty easy. Ring the door bell, walk in, fill out the paper, pay 50 euros, and it's off to the races. The location is a littler bit out of the way but that's for obvious reasons.

Obviously beautiful women everywhere and most looking for a customer would get the point if you said you just wanted to relax and look around first. So they weren't pushy so that's good. There's also no "lady drinks" so that's a bonus (lady drinks are when you buy a woman a drink, usually expensive, and she talks to you).

The layout was nice, spacious, big screen TVs, decent music, etc. I didn't explore the other areas though. I do like how most are topless or bottomless so you know exactly what you're buying.

I also do like the fact that you pay afterwards. That's a bonus in my book.

Service. Some girls are better than others but most are pretty good and understand it's about getting repeat customers. I don't remember any names but do remember I had a Brazilian, Ukrainian, Romanian, Moldavian, etc. All knew conversational English. Some of these women were so hot that you could be exhausted from the previous shag, but you're still ready to go for a new shag. First night I had 3, second night I had 4.

I only do 30 minutes because that's all I need. Some women you can bargain down to 50 euros for 30 minutes but others you can't. I also made sure it's a bareback blowjob, which most are fine with doing. Luckily I didn't have anyone trying to upsell me besides one.

This one lady had a small tattoo on her left collarbone, Maldovian, slim petite, big ass, and I will absolutely repeat her.

I'm pretty young and in decent shape, but to be able to shag this number of hot women in one night is beyond my wildest dreams. I plan to go to sharks as well as other FKKs throughout Germany.

Anyways, yeah. I'm glad I got to experience and I can confirm, from a man who has mongered in several places, it's 100% worth it.

If anyone has questions just let me know. I work and live in Germany, for what it's worth.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the club man! FKK is one of the top worldwide experiences for sure. You will like Sharks too. I can't believe you live in Germany and never been. Of course I run into guys in the UK who have never done a Diva girl incall. What?

Glad you had a great time. No looking back now. If you want to add to your rather extensive list do Scandallo in São Paulo (nightclub experience) and some Romanian incall girls via Diva in London. (Imagine fucking Oase girl in her own bedroom!

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2613237]Trip report. I just got back from Oase on Friday and Saturday for the first time, wow![/QUOTE]This is a total noob question. Since they don't allow phones, what do you do when Jr is recuperating? I'm well past the age of being able to go back to back to back without an hour or two at least in between sessions. Any place else on the planet I would be reading something on my phone. Not really interested in small talk with any of them as I'm convinced P4 P is more about getting them to leave when you want rather than spreading their legs in the beginning.

I'm planning a long overdue trip to Fra / Stuttgart / AMG in Dec and I think it only makes sense to rent a car for the whole time as taxi rates are close to the same if you take a couple trips a day and I wouldn't be tied down anywhere if the vibe is no good. Use Fra as a base and take day trips everywhere. Any thoughts on whether this is a good idea or not?

[QUOTE=Ctytek;2613762]Unless you live in Europe, I wouldn't bother. Germany FKK scene is dead now, as you can also see from the minimal activity on this forum. Maybe things will improve by next summer, who knows.[/QUOTE]Dead? Sharks was better on this Summer than since beginning of 2017, except for weather. I had my best girl at 6 sens on last Wednesday. So many girls are still working in opened FKK. You just have to adapt to new business, same like in real life.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2613237]Some women you can bargain down to 50 euros for 30 minutes but others you can't. I also made sure it's a bareback blowjob, which most are fine with doing. Luckily I didn't have anyone trying to upsell me besides one.[/QUOTE]Out of the 7 girls how many included BBBJ for 50 total? If not 50, what did you end up paying them?

How many girls were there?

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2613703]I've used the FitFox website to find gyms in Germany (Average of 10-12 euro for day passes, or 20-30 e for a 2 week pass). The Eversports App is also good with 6-8 euro day pass options but they don't have many venues in Frankfurt area. I use that app when in NRW.

[URL]https://www.fitfox.de/en/gyms/?search=%22Frankfurt%22[/URL]

Also, a little out the way (halfway between Darmstadt and Frankfurt) but can be on the way if you choose the "scenic" A661 route rather than the A5 to Frankfurt, my go-to gym when visiting Sharks for a few days is Fitness b&K, 7 euro day passes. They've got the nice clean fitness studio up top and the heavy weights dungeon gym in the basement.

Fitness be & K GmbH.[/QUOTE]You can walk to roomers from HBF, but pricey for alone night LOL!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2613874]Out of the 7 girls how many included BBBJ for 50 total? If not 50, what did you end up paying them?

How many girls were there?[/QUOTE]Man, it is like some police interrogation in the movie LOL!

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2613781]This is a total noob question. Since they don't allow phones, what do you do when Jr is recuperating? I'm well past the age of being able to go back to back to back without an hour or two at least in between sessions....[/QUOTE]I like sports so I look at soccer or whatever sport is displayed on the screens. If you don't like sport bring a book and while reading occasionally look away for eye candy. If you wish you can play chess with the old Germans. Don't forget to voraciously partake of mealtimes.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2614252]I like sports so I look at soccer or whatever sport is displayed on the screens. If you don't like sport bring a book and while reading occasionally look away for eye candy. If you wish you can play chess with the old Germans. Don't forget to voraciously partake of mealtimes.[/QUOTE]When I was in school, I went to the club with my books and studied for my board exams in between sessions. There was also a skills section so I like to think that I practiced them when in the rooms. Hah!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2614275]When I was in school, I went to the club with my books and studied for my board exams in between sessions. There was also a skills section so I like to think that I practiced them when in the rooms. Hah![/QUOTE]A great way to manage stress while studying for important exams LOLOLOL! Of course, when I was doing such, I could not afford to be a monger.

FFS if I has these when I was in school I wouldn't have graduated and I'd still be paying the credit card bills!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2614275]When I was in school, I went to the club with my books and studied for my board exams in between sessions. There was also a skills section so I like to think that I practiced them when in the rooms. Hah![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2614288]A great way to manage stress while studying for important exams LOLOLOL! Of course, when I was doing such, I could not afford to be a monger.[/QUOTE]But you got to the promise lands with s including Brazil LOL! That is all it matters LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2614252]I like sports so I look at soccer or whatever sport is displayed on the screens. If you don't like sport bring a book and while reading occasionally look away for eye candy. If you wish you can play chess with the old Germans. Don't forget to voraciously partake of mealtimes.[/QUOTE]The last thin I want to see is men on the screen in FKK LOL! When I am in there, I am a dedicated prostitute stunner hunter or sharp stunner shooter stationed to catch the stunner, only break is toilet that I make sure I finish quick so I do not miss a thing LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2614275]When I was in school, I went to the club with my books and studied for my board exams in between sessions. There was also a skills section so I like to think that I practiced them when in the rooms. Hah![/QUOTE]When I was studying, I kissed my girlfriends for hours and didn't pay. Until 30 December 2012, because not enough snow to ski, when I discovered FKK GT, I thought it was windows I saw on TV. Not impressed by discovery at GT compare to my Russian escorts, difficult to find a attractive look and never repeated with her even she was sweet Romanian but silicon. I needed few visits to start to find attractive girls. But escorts level fell after Amour Russe and Charme Russe when I found escorts level girls in FKK, some for 80/60 versus 200/250/60. My 177 fitness model German escort discovered at Vertigo on end of 2017 was for 250/150 on wow discovery, became 300 for 3/4 hours after, weekly for 3 months. Rather than ugly girls in RTC, easiest for natural sex are German escorts when You make them cum, when they are used to Germans or Turkish, they fast lose control for different way for sex.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2614252]I like sports so I look at soccer or whatever sport is displayed on the screens. If you don't like sport bring a book and while reading occasionally look away for eye candy. If you wish you can play chess with the old Germans. Don't forget to voraciously partake of mealtimes.[/QUOTE]Does Sharks have a chess board? Or does someone bring their own? I'm curious how I would play.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2614252]I like sports so I look at soccer or whatever sport is displayed on the screens. If you don't like sport bring a book and while reading occasionally look away for eye candy. If you wish you can play chess with the old Germans. Don't forget to voraciously partake of mealtimes.[/QUOTE]I'm remembering one of those giant chess boards where you walk around to move the pieces.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2614288]A great way to manage stress while studying for important exams LOLOLOL! Of course, when I was doing such, I could not afford to be a monger.[/QUOTE]Is Brazil the place to go now? Meaning no covid restrictions, and easy prowl methods?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2614367]The last thin I want to see is men on the screen in FKK LOL! When I am in there, I am a dedicated prostitute stunner hunter or sharp stunner shooter stationed to catch the stunner, only break is toilet that I make sure I finish quick so I do not miss a thing LOL![/QUOTE]I admire your dedication to sport fucking LOL.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2614425]When I was studying, I kissed my girlfriends for hours and didn't pay.[/QUOTE]The 1950's were a great decade!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2614535]I admire your dedication to sport fucking LOL.[/QUOTE]I try to get the best out of it and I don't play in FKK LOL! It is serious game for me that enrich the quality of my life LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2614425]When I was studying, I kissed my girlfriends for hours and didn't pay. Until 30 December 2012, because not enough snow to ski, when I discovered FKK GT, I thought it was windows I saw on TV. Not impressed by discovery at GT compare to my Russian escorts, difficult to find a attractive look and never repeated with her even she was sweet Romanian but silicon. I needed few visits to start to find attractive girls. But escorts level fell after Amour Russe and Charme Russe when I found escorts level girls in FKK, some for 80/60 versus 200/250/60. My 177 fitness model German escort discovered at Vertigo on end of 2017 was for 250/150 on wow discovery, became 300 for 3/4 hours after, weekly for 3 months. Rather than ugly girls in RTC, easiest for natural sex are German escorts when You make them cum, when they are used to Germans or Turkish, they fast lose control for different way for sex.[/QUOTE]You paid for wining and dining like I used, we just switched to 50 euro per 30 min now, 100 euro for anal and 50 euro more to cum in her mouth LOL! And above all, the price includes for them to leave without complaint as well LOL! So you always paid, but in different way LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2614624]The 1950's were a great decade![/QUOTE]But most of girls tell I'm very hard and fuck more than in 20's guys, without needing Viagra, but with my sports. Yesterday, when I arrived quite tired, if I was not a so bad hunter, could make a third room with third round of course between 4 pm and 10.30 pm, but 6 sens close too early.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2614857]But most of girls tell I'm very hard and fuck more than in 20's guys, without needing Viagra.[/QUOTE]That's funny. Because they tell me the exact same thing! LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2614865]That's funny. Because they tell me the exact same thing! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]To me they tell I look at least 10 years younger, that I am great in bed and that I have a very big anaconda. They would never lie to me. LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2614865]That's funny. Because they tell me the exact same thing! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]Wow, anaconda!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2615797]Wow, anaconda![/QUOTE]I like to compare belly and tool, when I take long showers in FKK.

Romania is now COVID critical:

[URL]https://www.eureporter.co/world/romania/2021/10/18/romania-has-the-highest-covid-mortality-rate-in-the-world/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2615866]I like to compare belly and tool, when I take long showers in FKK.[/QUOTE]That's part of why I prefer at least shorter than average girls. It gets more extreme, and with some, can even reach solar plexus. LOL!

There is a clear undisputed anthropological reason for why alpha males choose short girls and beta males choose tall girls. And it can easily be seen in evolution.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2616072]Romania is now COVID critical:

[URL]https://www.eureporter.co/world/romania/2021/10/18/romania-has-the-highest-covid-mortality-rate-in-the-world/[/URL][/QUOTE]Well, when they pay people to change their death certificates. What did you expect? LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2616072]Romania is now COVID critical:

[URL]https://www.eureporter.co/world/romania/2021/10/18/romania-has-the-highest-covid-mortality-rate-in-the-world/[/URL][/QUOTE]Very low vaccination rate, 58 doses per 100 population. Denmark has 152 per 100 population. I think EU average is about 130.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2616111]That's part of why I prefer at least shorter than average girls. It gets more extreme, and with some, can even reach solar plexus. LOL!

There is a clear undisputed anthropological reason for why alpha males choose short girls and beta males choose tall girls. And it can easily be seen in evolution.[/QUOTE]So I must be beta for paid sex when I need to be impressed to feel desire. Little Romanians or porn look Germans don't excite me.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2616111]There is a clear undisputed anthropological reason for why alpha males choose short girls and beta males choose tall girls. And it can easily be seen in evolution.[/QUOTE]And what could you say about little dudes picking systematically girls at least girls 10 cm taller than them. They are gamma pussies begging to be dominated and turned into money slaves?

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2616237]And what could you say about little dudes picking systematically girls at least girls 10 cm taller than them. They are gamma pussies begging to be dominated and turned into money slaves?[/QUOTE]Not Gamma. Omega, representing a big gaping asshole ready to be penetrated.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2616237]And what could you say about little dudes picking systematically girls at least girls 10 cm taller than them. They are gamma pussies begging to be dominated and turned into money slaves?[/QUOTE]Well little dudes have no choice. Almost all girls are taller.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2616212]So I must be beta for paid sex when I need to be impressed to feel desire. Little Romanians or porn look Germans don't excite me.[/QUOTE]But so many taller than 170 are small pussy, needing to be very careful. 185 supermodel look with amazing ratio tight waist round ass Kelli. Ro at Sharks thought I was too long to fuck when I was careful and couldn't finish in 30 mn but I preferred to give up and save my money when she seems used to finish Balkanians in 10/15 mn.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2616237]And what could you say about little dudes picking systematically girls at least girls 10 cm taller than them. They are gamma pussies begging to be dominated and turned into money slaves?[/QUOTE]Well theoretically the gamma's never get any sex at all. So I guess they would be beta's in the vicinity of FKK's. In old times the gamma's weren't even allowed to enter the village, or the camp site.

The alpha wants to rule alone, so he want to keep as many small women as possible around him. The smaller the girls are, the more feminine features they also have. So that could also be a reason why alphas are more attracted to the shorter girls. And after awhile, the alpha didn't have the means in order to fend off all the beta's, so he settled for just one. Thus taller females get their place also, since the alpha let the beta's procreate with the ones he preferred less. Usually the ones needing less energy to control. And so possibly he managed to keep 2 or even 3 to himself.

As soon as we left the trees, probably due to the invention of fire (or climate changes in eastern Africa), the beta's banded up in order to take down the alpha. And so democracy was invented since everyone needed to get close to the fireplace, and so we turned less hostile. The bonobo did the same democracy without leaving the trees, but there they have shorter height difference between the sexes due to less sexual selection since they have orgies all the time. Thus everyone can reproduce. They have no dominant alpha like the gorillas or chimps, and so for the bonobo, their taller females compared to their close cousins chimps even rub their clits together, so they don't need a large one to get as aroused as for example with the gorillas or the chimps.

Then again, humans are more warring than the bonobos. At least until recent civilization occurred. And thus almost all women long for the alpha and not the beta male. And they have kinks and get horny from some form of alpha strength display during playtime. The females who resisted this, got killed. So through Darwinism, the gene that makes women love the alpha's survived to a great extent among humans, more so than the ones preferring beta's, the less attractive taller, more difficult to control females. I can't recall the ratio exactly, but it is between 60% and 90% who has that subordinate kink gene among human females, and thus are genetically predisposed to prefer the alpha male.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2616212]So I must be beta for paid sex when I need to be impressed to feel desire.[/QUOTE]Hard to change ones genes. But the longing for the beta women (the taller ones above average) among the beta males are most likely related to the tall ones being the leftovers. And also due to the fact that the taller women had to join in during the handling of the alpha during fighting. So the taller more masculine women are fighters and thus partly more male in nature with more testosterone.

The recent rise in the LGBTQ movement most likely comes from the furthering of the beta democracy running the world. Alongside subordination of the masculine males though labelling them as having ADHD etc. As well as chemicals around us messing with our hormones. We can also see this in terms of the total number of genes on the why chromosome in relation to the X chromosome. Where the democracy beta aspect of civilization is killing off the male gene. Eventually we will die out as this goes further, and the only way we can reproduce is during some mixing of genes outside the body. Really messy if it doesn't work. And and ot very sexy. But there seems to be a lot of beta males running the world who want this, since there are more beta males than alpha males in the world. Although they would indeed loose any election once the women realize that most of them do in fact prefer the alpha.

You can also look at all the gay men running the fashion industry who prefer the tall beta women as models. Alpha males would 1. Not be into gay fashion, and 2. Choose short women.

If you want you can also listen to Jordan Peterson's dousins of videos where he describes how the vast majority of women prefer the alpha male.

So current global politics are in fact massively anti-majority women. As well as anti alpha males. And pro beta males and minority women. The same can be said about vaccines trying to reduce alpha males into betas and later even kill them off too.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2616429]Well theoretically the gamma's never get any sex at all. So I guess they would be beta's in the vicinity of FKK's. In old times the gamma's weren't even allowed to enter the village, or the camp site.

The alpha wants to rule alone, so he want to keep as many small women as possible around him. The smaller the girls are, the more feminine features they also have. So that could also be a reason why alphas are more attracted to the shorter girls. And after awhile, the alpha didn't have the means in order to fend off all the beta's, so he settled for just one. Thus taller females get their place also, since the alpha let the beta's procreate with the ones he preferred less. Usually the ones needing less energy to control. And so possibly he managed to keep 2 or even 3 to himself.

As soon as we left the trees, probably due to the invention of fire (or climate changes in eastern Africa), the beta's banded up in order to take down the alpha. And so democracy was invented since everyone needed to get close to the fireplace, and so we turned less hostile. The bonobo did the same democracy without leaving the trees, but there they have shorter height difference between the sexes due to less sexual selection since they have orgies all the time. Thus everyone can reproduce. They have no dominant alpha like the gorillas or chimps, and so for the bonobo, their taller females compared to their close cousins chimps even rub their clits together, so they don't need a large one to get as aroused as for example with the gorillas or the chimps..[/QUOTE]Are jealous bullshiting followers ranked around epsilon? When I need to be impressed to desire, I would not pay just to empty balls, when I left so many times GT Bruggen, Sharks, Oase, Globe, Wellcum with full heavy balls when I didn't want to waste my money when no dream in my mind.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2616146]Very low vaccination rate, 58 doses per 100 population. Denmark has 152 per 100 population. I think EU average is about 130.[/QUOTE]Someone should do a study worldwide to compare death rates with vaccination rates.

Don't listen to the bad science below. Testosterone doesn't make women taller. It's not Testosterone that increase height, it's growth hormone. Any correlation with testosterone is because growth hormone (hGh) stimulates testosterone release in parallel to hGH's own effects.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2616441]You can also look at all the gay men running the fashion industry who prefer the tall beta women as models. Alpha males would 1. Not be into gay fashion, and 2. Choose short women.

If you want you can also listen to Jordan Peterson's dousins of videos where he describes how the vast majority of women prefer the alpha male.

So current global politics are in fact massively anti-majority women. As well as anti alpha males. And pro beta males and minority women. The same can be said about vaccines trying to reduce alpha males into betas and later even kill them off too.[/QUOTE]This is only loosely related to the posts. Have you even had your testosterone levels checked? There is talk about them falling and the level considered normal being reduced. It is somewhat of an interesting subject. I would not want to be on replacement myself. I imagine mine was fairly high when younger and still at a healthy level. I am sure it is a complicated topic.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2616925]Don't listen to the bad science below. Testosterone doesn't make women taller. It's not Testosterone that increase height, it's growth hormone. Any correlation with testosterone is because growth hormone (hGh) stimulates testosterone release in parallel to hGH's own effects.[/QUOTE]Sure thing. I could have written that also, just wrote a quick summary, so skipped some small details. For once you managed to use google correctly. Tiny improvements. I'll give you that.

When it comes to height, hard physical activity at young age also reduces the length of the bones. So it is not a black and white thing. But roughly speaking.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2617068]When it comes to height, hard physical activity at young age also reduces the length of the bones. So it is not a black and white thing. But roughly speaking.[/QUOTE]I can't see how this can be based on a scientific study. I have heard it as reason for children not to do weight training. I don't think it has any science behind it. Weight training isn't exactly hard physical labor. There are also child labor laws so you wouldn't be able to observe the effects.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2617068]When it comes to height, hard physical activity at young age also reduces the length of the bones. So it is not a black and white thing. But roughly speaking.[/QUOTE]Height comes from length of legs, torso, neck and head. Hard physical labor involving the legs would be walking or standing for long periods of time. Unless, of course hard labor means an over worked state with no time for rest or sleep. Then, the cause would be lack of sleep.

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[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2617132]Height comes from length of legs, torso, neck and head. Hard physical labor involving the legs would be walking or standing for long periods of time. Unless, of course hard labor means an over worked state with no time for rest or sleep. Then, the cause would be lack of sleep.[/QUOTE]I actually read it in a study once. Not labor as you say, but activity. This is different. What the study said was that microfractures causes the time it would take to grow longer bones, turn into time taken to heal.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2617270]I actually read it in a study once. Not labor as you say, but activity. This is different. What the study said was that microfractures causes the time it would take to grow longer bones, turn into time taken to heal.[/QUOTE]I've been told that it has something to do with the "growth plates" in the knee and hip joints. Hence the need for teenage boys to "lay up" on the stacks when it comes to deadlifts and squats. Or so I've heard.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2617127]I can't see how this can be based on a scientific study. I have heard it as reason for children not to do weight training. I don't think it has any science behind it. Weight training isn't exactly hard physical labor. There are also child labor laws so you wouldn't be able to observe the effects.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2617132]Height comes from length of legs, torso, neck and head. Hard physical labor involving the legs would be walking or standing for long periods of time. Unless, of course hard labor means an over worked state with no time for rest or sleep. Then, the cause would be lack of sleep.[/QUOTE]Bingo. Because it's not backed up by what we know about physiology. So long as adequate nutrition and rest is provided to meet demand and traumatic injury does not occur, that claim had no basis, just an urban legend perpetuated in the 90's. Stressors such as proper weightlifting or any high intensity exercise, even in adolescence, promotes human growth hormone release, the major player in bone length promotion during adolescence (most certainly not testosterone).

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2617307]I've been told that it has something to do with the "growth plates" in the knee and hip joints. Hence the need for teenage boys to "lay up" on the stacks when it comes to deadlifts and squats. Or so I've heard.[/QUOTE]That makes sense. The bones are growing. You don't want to interfere with the growth. There is also something like muscle memory. Someone that doesn't reach a peak when they have the potentional are probably at a lower level later. I read that about testosterone. If I was beast, but you never became a beast. I am more beastly after time has past. My body remembers being a beast. Your body can't imagine it. The body tells you when to ease up. I imagine sprints or American Football is worse than weight lifting.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2617307]I've been told that it has something to do with the "growth plates" in the knee and hip joints. Hence the need for teenage boys to "lay up" on the stacks when it comes to deadlifts and squats. Or so I've heard.[/QUOTE]Imagine what it does to a gymnast. It is not like they wait for a gymnast to stop growing before they train.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2617068]When it comes to height, hard physical activity at young age also reduces the length of the bones. So it is not a black and white thing. But roughly speaking.[/QUOTE]When we were children my dad always told us to eat all our meat so we can grow to be big, strong and tall like him. There was a servant next door who was very short and my dad said that it was due to lack of protein in her diet. That has stuck with me since then.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2617352]Bingo. Because it's not backed up by what we know about physiology. So long as adequate nutrition and rest is provided to meet demand and traumatic injury does not occur, that claim had no basis, just an urban legend perpetuated in the 90's. Stressors such as proper weightlifting or any high intensity exercise, even in adolescence, promotes human growth hormone release, the major player in bone length promotion during adolescence (most certainly not testosterone).[/QUOTE]You wrote that much better than I could.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2617619]When we were children my dad always told us to eat all our meat so we can grow to be big, strong and tall like him. There was a servant next door who was very short and my dad said that it was due to lack of protein in her diet. That has stuck with me since then.[/QUOTE]Eating soup to grow. I didn't like soup and told my parents I didn't want to take pills to become NBA player, but strong healthy with great stamina and resistance, not even needing to train to be faster than 3 times World champion but too heavy Sagan in steep part of Loze when not so difficult than Zoncolan and Mortirolo.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2617619]When we were children my dad always told us to eat all our meat so we can grow to be big, strong and tall like him. There was a servant next door who was very short and my dad said that it was due to lack of protein in her diet. That has stuck with me since then.[/QUOTE]Are you discussing why the Romanian working girls are so short? In my view many come from poor families living in Romanian countryside. Families there used to have many children and like only one cow in the backyard. Children were basically fed with the milk of that cow.

Of course this changes now as the families send their daughters to work abroad and basically one third of Romanian population is.

Working abroad and sending money home.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2617619]When we were children my dad always told us to eat all our meat so we can grow to be big, strong and tall like him. There was a servant next door who was very short and my dad said that it was due to lack of protein in her diet. That has stuck with me since then.[/QUOTE]So you ended up in FKK to eat the stunners pussy and ass for 50 euro per 30 min LOL! It is damn tasty oysters they are LOL!

[QUOTE=Toto001;2617722]Are you discussing why the Romanian working girls are so short? In my view many come from poor families living in Romanian countryside. Families there used to have many children and like only one cow in the backyard. Children were basically fed with the milk of that cow.

Of course this changes now as the families send their daughters to work abroad and basically one third of Romanian population is.

Working abroad and sending money home.[/QUOTE]To see from which condition girls come from, and even for Germans, look at teeth and nails which need calcium. Poverty often give bad or yellow black teeth. You have poor Bulgarians with bad teeth going to misery business in AO RTC. Most Romanians are usually less than 160 bare feet, reason why what is rare worth more for me, taller than 170 bare feet, meaning around 190 on plastic prostitutes heels. When saw new fresh full natural 175 bare feet Cameron. Ro at Samya, when no mountain climbing on week end, but couldn't resist for this new climbing with sweet nice girl for 80.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2617307]I've been told that it has something to do with the "growth plates" in the knee and hip joints. Hence the need for teenage boys to "lay up" on the stacks when it comes to deadlifts and squats. Or so I've heard.[/QUOTE]Bingo. The microfractures I was mentioning are happening in the growth plates as you say. That's exactly what the study said.

[QUOTE=Toto001;2617722]Are you discussing why the Romanian working girls are so short? In my view many come from poor families living in Romanian countryside. Families there used to have many children and like only one cow in the backyard. Children were basically fed with the milk of that cow.

Of course this changes now as the families send their daughters to work abroad and basically one third of Romanian population is.

Working abroad and sending money home.[/QUOTE]Actually, alpha males through evolution should prefer short girls. So this is a good thing!

But studies also show that men sexually prefer women to have 5% longer than average legs in relation to their upper body. So preferably the girls from a young age should try to restrictions their upper body growth through training, while letting their legs grow slightly more. Meaning squats and deadlift might not be the best way for them to stay short. But I'm not going to say for sure which exercise is the best either now. Maybe standing on their hands? LOL.

[QUOTE=Toto001;2617722]Are you discussing why the Romanian working girls are so short? In my view many come from poor families living in Romanian countryside. Families there used to have many children and like only one cow in the backyard. Children were basically fed with the milk of that cow.

Of course this changes now as the families send their daughters to work abroad and basically one third of Romanian population is.

Working abroad and sending money home.[/QUOTE]I would like to note that there are plenty of overweight children that grow up to be shorter. There are also plenty of children with eating disorders that don't much of anything that grow to be tall. There is also height disparity among siblings. Germans and that part of Europe is taller than average. I am sure it is a source of pride as it should be. There is generally normal ranges that aren't really influenced by nutrition unless it is very severe in my estimation.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2617948]Actually, alpha males through evolution should prefer short girls. So this is a good thing!

But studies also show that men sexually prefer women to have 5% longer than average legs in relation to their upper body. So preferably the girls from a young age should try to restrictions their upper body growth through training, while letting their legs grow slightly more. Meaning squats and deadlift might not be the best way for them to stay short. But I'm not going to say for sure which exercise is the best either now. Maybe standing on their hands? LOL.[/QUOTE]All women desperately want to be tall so by your logic women do not want alpha males. There was this American college student who had surgery that involved breaking bones in her legs to add length to her legs so she could be taller and thereby accepted among the alpha girls.

They gained 20 cm in a 150 year period: [URL]https://www.thejournal.ie/why-are-dutch-people-so-damn-tall-2036162-Apr2015/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Turgid;2618087]All women desperately want to be tall so by your logic women do not want alpha males. There was this American college student who had surgery that involved breaking bones in her legs to add length to her legs so she could be taller and thereby accepted among the alpha girls.[/QUOTE]Yes most of girls would like to be taller than 170 bare feet and minimum European be cup for breasts size and firm not falling. Same than guys who would like to have at least 15 and a bit thick. Even when taller than 175 bare feet, but many small pussies You need to be careful when entering and even after. I really enjoyed Amira at Samya, she is around 170, because good potential for fucking when having entered deep inside her, then she doesn't speak anymore about extra nor time remaining.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2618093]They gained 20 cm in a 150 year period: [URL]https://www.thejournal.ie/why-are-dutch-people-so-damn-tall-2036162-Apr2015/[/URL].[/QUOTE]NL and US seem opposite examples?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2618087]All women desperately want to be tall so by your logic women do not want alpha males. There was this American college student who had surgery that involved breaking bones in her legs to add length to her legs so she could be taller and thereby accepted among the alpha girls.[/QUOTE]Not all women. I know a bunch of short girls outside of FKK s who are glad they are short, because where I am from that means they get all the options among guys. Tall girls have it very hard here! But I hear this is different from place to place. Some places have more beta's than others.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2618093]They gained 20 cm in a 150 year period: [URL]https://www.thejournal.ie/why-are-dutch-people-so-damn-tall-2036162-Apr2015/[/URL].[/QUOTE]I noticed the article chalked it up to taller people having more children. Thanks for sharing that.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2618093]They gained 20 cm in a 150 year period: [URL]https://www.thejournal.ie/why-are-dutch-people-so-damn-tall-2036162-Apr2015/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Perhaps shorter people did better in a low nutrition environment. That actually makes a lot of sense. Little people need less food.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2618148]NL and US seem opposite examples?[/QUOTE]Obviously because of the uneven influx of multiethnic immigrants to the US from South America and Asian countries lowering the average. European Americans have gotten taller.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2618148]NL and US seem opposite examples?[/QUOTE]Yes. In 1820, USA was significantly taller than the rest of the world. Around 1880 in when Dutch became taller: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=DEU~NLD~FRA~USA~CHN~SWE[/URL].

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2618195]Perhaps shorter people did better in a low nutrition environment. That actually makes a lot of sense. Little people need less food.[/QUOTE]Genetics matters with regards to height. But low nutrition (famines) and plagues impact height. In Dutch example, some articles posit that the height increase was partly due to natural selection, meaning taller Dutch men and taller Dutch women were selecting each other for procreation, leaving shorter people out of the equation. Some seem to also cite NL's social safety net as a reason. Due to inequality poor people lack access to prenatal and early childhood medical care and never reach their full height potential. And these people bring down the average. This article is an interesting read: [URL]https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/04/05/the-height-gap[/URL].

[QUOTE]Humans are an ever-improving species, the old evolution charts tell us; each generation is smarter, sleeker, and taller than the last. Yet in Northern Europe over the past twelve hundred years human stature has followed a U-shaped curve: from a high around 800 A.D., to a low sometime in the seventeenth century, and back up again. Charlemagne was well over six feet; the soldiers who stormed the Bastille a millennium later averaged five feet and weighed a hundred pounds. They didnt look like Errol Flynn and Alan Hale, the economist Robert Fogel told me. They looked like thirteen-year-old girls.[/QUOTE]Height has stagnated in most of the world over the last 3-4 decades except Asia. Average Chinese 19 year old males saw a height increase of almost 9 cm between 1985 and 2019 (males born in 1966 versus males born in 2000). They are still not as tall as Dutch ofc, but probably similar to Southern Europeans: [URL]https://www.bips-institut.de/no_cache/en/news/single-view/artikel/poor-nutrition-in-school-years-may-have-created-20cm-height-gap-across-nations.html[/URL].

Hi Guys. (I guess not many women here).

What clubs would you recommend to experience public sex and blowjobs.

Both as a voyeur and as a participant.

There is something with having a girl go down on me with other people walking past that turns me on.

Does this still happen or is it a thing of the past?

[QUOTE=KalleKula;2618372]Hi Guys. (I guess not many women here).

What clubs would you recommend to experience public sex and blowjobs.

Both as a voyeur and as a participant.

There is something with having a girl go down on me with other people walking past that turns me on.

Does this still happen or is it a thing of the past?[/QUOTE]Finca Erotica upstairs in kino, Babylon Elsdorf, kino in Mainhattan but best is Globe Zurich where You can even win 5 entries if You are elected from your public performance on Tuesday afternoon. Many WGs read us.

[QUOTE=KalleKula;2618372]Hi Guys. (I guess not many women here).

What clubs would you recommend to experience public sex and blowjobs.

Both as a voyeur and as a participant.

There is something with having a girl go down on me with other people walking past that turns me on.

Does this still happen or is it a thing of the past?[/QUOTE]FKK Globe in Zurich on Tuesday afternoons.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2618383]FKK Globe in Zurich on Tuesday afternoons.[/QUOTE]Thanks. What's special about Tuesdays?

Switzerland sounds expensive, but they don't have any rules requiring condoms during blowjobs, right?

Wonder if they even do CIM in public?

A new acronym CIMIP. :D

If someone would visit 3 different FKK in Sunday Wednesday and Friday around Frankfurt.

What is your advise on which days should one go where? Good ratio male vs female.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2618149]Not all women. I know a bunch of short girls outside of FKK s who are glad they are short, because where I am from that means they get all the options among guys. Tall girls have it very hard here! But I hear this is different from place to place. Some places have more beta's than others.[/QUOTE]My favorite position is doggy. I have difficulty doing doggy enjoyably with short girls so I choose taller women for this reason even if the shorter girl is better looking.

[QUOTE=KalleKula;2618387]Thanks. What's special about Tuesdays?

Switzerland sounds expensive, but they don't have any rules requiring condoms during blowjobs, right?

Wonder if they even do CIM in public?

A new acronym CIMIP. :D[/QUOTE]They designated a few hours on Tuesday as public sex day. I think they might even lock the rooms so all sex has to be public. The problem is, there can be some guys there just looking for a show, touching themselves with their hands in their robes just inches from you. I don't know about your BJ questions, I think it may depend on the girl.

What do you guys from the US do to exchange to EUR. I checked with my bank and they are asking 1. 23:1 as an exchange rate where online I see it listed as 1. 16. And additional. 07 sounds high to me. Would I get better rates exchanging in Germany or do you know of any other ways to get better rates. It's not bad when you are exchanging small amounts but when you are doing 7 or 8 K it really adds up.

[QUOTE=KalleKula;2618387]Thanks. What's special about Tuesdays?

Switzerland sounds expensive, but they don't have any rules requiring condoms during blowjobs, right?

Wonder if they even do CIM in public?

A new acronym CIMIP.[/QUOTE]Tuesdays at Globe: rooms closed between 14-20, so only public sex possible. Public sex contest starting at 15 with 5 girls plus clients in the central stage area. Condoms during blowjobs only if the client requests it, CIM in public no problem, not only on Tuesday. Not unusual to see public sex on other days of the week either, not just in the Kino but on the couches in the main area as well. Tuesday afternoon attracts some voyeurs who like to get close to the action.

There is also public sex Monday afternoon at Club History in Basel, but I don't know any details about that.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2618320]Yes. In 1820, USA was significantly taller than the rest of the world. Around 1880 in when Dutch became taller: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=DEU~NLD~FRA~USA~CHN~SWE[/URL].[/QUOTE]Examine the history and data where in 1820, the only people counted in American human statistics where European descendants and those mostly of Anglo-Saxon backgrounds. Black slaves were not counted as people until after the 1860's. Asians, Italians, and poor Irish came after 1850's. Add in the incorporation of the American southwest with the Latino and indigenous native population and then you see the real picture.

I can't find any info for breaking down American heights by country of ancestral origin. But guessing the influx of southern European gene pool brought down the white American average. Add Hispanic and Asian and then it's obvious why the height average has been lower. We have an obesity nutrition problem here, not a height nutrition problem.

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2618453]What do you guys from the US do to exchange to EUR. I checked with my bank and they are asking 1. 23:1 as an exchange rate where online I see it listed as 1. 16. And additional. 07 sounds high to me. Would I get better rates exchanging in Germany or do you know of any other ways to get better rates. It's not bad when you are exchanging small amounts but when you are doing 7 or 8 K it really adds up.[/QUOTE]Charles Schwabb allows you to pull out money from any ATM at base exchange rates, no international fees, and credits all ATM fees at the end of the month.

Chase and Wells Fargo, base rate plus $5 fee and whatever fee the local ATM / bank may charge.

Bank of America, base rate plus 3% of withdrawal amount plus whatever the local fee ATM / bank may charge.

USAA base plus 1%.

Basically, unless you're only pulling out 20-50 bucks, you get a better exchange by just inserting your card in a foreign ATM than having your local branch exchange for you prior to your trip.

My suggestion, open a free Schwabb account online and use it just for international ATM withdrawal. That's what I did years ago and have been paying the real time base exchange rate and no fee ever since. Has also saved me ATM fees when in the US and there was no Chase ATM nearby. I think the only caveat is that you have to open specifically the "investor checking" account which will be tied to a brokerage account. (Makes no difference as there is no obligation to maintain a balance or make trade).

Go with Chuck, he'll save you a buck.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2618442]They designated a few hours on Tuesday as public sex day. I think they might even lock the rooms so all sex has to be public. The problem is, there can be some guys there just looking for a show, touching themselves with their hands in their robes just inches from you. I don't know about your BJ questions, I think it may depend on the girl.[/QUOTE]BBBJ is legal in Switzerland, still quite standard in Germany, very standard in 6 sens NL. Globe organize public sex on Tuesday afternoon to attract voyeurs to make more entries when a slow day. They organize a contest for public sex.

[QUOTE=IKarlo;2618422]If someone would visit 3 different FKK in Sunday Wednesday and Friday around Frankfurt.

What is your advise on which days should one go where? Good ratio male vs female.[/QUOTE]Sharks on Sunday before 2 pm for entry 50. Oase on Wednesday. Best on Friday is Sharks, but I could try Palace.

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2618453]What do you guys from the US do to exchange to EUR. I checked with my bank and they are asking 1. 23:1 as an exchange rate where online I see it listed as 1. 16. And additional. 07 sounds high to me. Would I get better rates exchanging in Germany or do you know of any other ways to get better rates. It's not bad when you are exchanging small amounts but when you are doing 7 or 8 K it really adds up.[/QUOTE]I use an ATM card. That is what I do. I can't give any comparisons. I assumed it was the best way and have done it a while in different countries. The card needs to say cirrus or maestro on it. You could research that part.

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2618453]What do you guys from the US do to exchange to EUR. I checked with my bank and they are asking 1. 23:1 as an exchange rate where online I see it listed as 1. 16. And additional. 07 sounds high to me. Would I get better rates exchanging in Germany or do you know of any other ways to get better rates. It's not bad when you are exchanging small amounts but when you are doing 7 or 8 K it really adds up.[/QUOTE]I would consider opening an account with online banks like Starling Bank or Revolout as they offer the best rates when withdrawing money from abroad. However, DB offers good rates for international withdrawals.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2618548]I use an ATM card. That is what I do. I can't give any comparisons. I assumed it was the best way and have done it a while in different countries. The card needs to say cirrus or maestro on it. You could research that part.[/QUOTE]I want to add that it can help to have a back up. The bank can close off funds for anything suspicious such as using there services in another country. That part can be ridiculous.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2618575]I would consider opening an account with online banks like Starling Bank or Revolout as they offer the best rates when withdrawing money from abroad. However, DB offers good rates for international withdrawals.[/QUOTE]Also if it is big amount in cash like we spend in FKK trip, then I also recommend credit card cashing, I pay in swiss francs about 16 chf fee and I can take out as much as up to 10000 chf cash, if it is big amount for like long FKK trip, it is worth it, small amount for few days at FKK like 1000 chf, not really worth it.

Literally free for any person with a Charles Schwabb bank account that you can open in 5 minutes online.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2618801]Literally free for any person with a Charles Schwabb bank account that you can open in 5 minutes online.[/QUOTE]These posts led me to do some googling. It seems like Capital One is also a good option because it doesn't charge foreign transaction fees. I saw that Starling requires an UK address. I'm not sure if something like Resolut has better exchange rates than something like Scwabb. There are some bad reviews for Resolut. I know banks also charge a fee to use their ATM if you don't have an account with them. E*TRADE refunds that fee domestically at least but charges a 1% foreign transaction fee I noted. Capital One has international Allpoint locations but I don't see any in Germany. That is the state of my ignorance. Without being able to compare side by side what the exchange rates would be I think I'll stick with what I'm doing with zero foreign transaction fees.

So bets are closed. Lol..Sorry guys I was away of here for a long time and it is really mess to view ISG in Turkey because it is banned by our stupid government like many other websites. Except Sauna club Goldentime all of them looks re-opened. I am just curious when they re-opened? I know I should go deep in forum but believe me not easy to find out. Is there anyone who can summarise the current situation shortly and give us a brief history of openings?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2552390]If you are speaking about may 2021, I think that the chances that the FKK will be open are around 5% to be positive but more probably 0%. May be 2022 but I will not give more than 50% chances.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sirioja;2552372]For mid May, Switzerland or Spain, but 0 in Germany, or only Kaufmich or Lady. De.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=CitizenKane;2552397]May 2022 perhaps...[/QUOTE]

Dutch have been taller than Americans since 1890, here is the graph for both nations over time: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=NLD~USA[/URL].

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2618483]But guessing the influx of southern European gene pool brought down the white American average.[/QUOTE]Largest waves of Italians came in the first two decades of 20th century. For the first half of the 20th century, the difference in height was negligible: Dutch were only about a centimeter taller than Americans: [URL]https://teacher.scholastic.com/activities/immigration/pdfs/by_region/region_table.pdf[/URL].

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2618483]Add Hispanic and Asian and then it's obvious why the height average has been lower.[/QUOTE]The height gap was the greatest in 1960: Dutch men born in 1960 are almost 5 centimeters taller than their Americans counterparts. The age cohort born in 1960 would have reached full adult height around 1980. USA census figures for 1980 show 80 percent White, 12 percent Black, 6 percent Hispanic, 2 percent Asian.

So the question is can 8 percent of the population bring down the population average by almost 5 cms? Doing the math here roughly, but let's say we randomly took 100 White / Black American males born in 1960 and found them to have an average height of 180 cm. If we swapped 8 of those "legacy" Americans out with a shorter Latino / Asian American, the only way you could bring down the average to 175 cm, would be if those 8 people had an average height of 117-118 cm. Latinos and Asians tend to be shorter, but not that short: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States[/URL].

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2618891]So bets are closed. Lol..Sorry guys I was away of here for a long time and it is really mess to view ISG in Turkey because it is banned by our stupid government like many other websites. Except Sauna club Goldentime all of them looks re-opened. I am just curious when they re-opened? I know I should go deep in forum but believe me not easy to find out. Is there anyone who can summarise the current situation shortly and give us a brief history of openings?[/QUOTE]LR is also closed, like Vanila ex Vertigo. Except Samya, NRW is slow, many GT girls moved to 6 sens NL. Sharks work good, Hessen is open, Finca also. At the moment, 1 good and 5 top girls for my pleasure and a fresh natural Swiss at Globe. Good Summer for sport and for girls.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2618865]These posts led me to do some googling. It seems like Capital One is also a good option because it doesn't charge foreign transaction fees. I saw that Starling requires an UK address. I'm not sure if something like Resolut has better exchange rates than something like Scwabb. There are some bad reviews for Resolut. I know banks also charge a fee to use their ATM if you don't have an account with them. E*TRADE refunds that fee domestically at least but charges a 1% foreign transaction fee I noted. Capital One has international Allpoint locations but I don't see any in Germany. That is the state of my ignorance. Without being able to compare side by side what the exchange rates would be I think I'll stick with what I'm doing with zero foreign transaction fees.[/QUOTE]Again, no better option than Schwabb High-Yield Investor checking. Absolutely no fees, exchange rates as determined by the US central bank, reimburses all out of network ATM fees. Absolutely no different than taking money out of the ATM at your local bank bank.

Literally the absolute best option outside of banks giving you money.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2618937]Dutch have been taller than Americans since 1890, here is the graph for both nations over time: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=NLD~USA[/URL].

Largest waves of Italians came in the first two decades of 20th century. For the first half of the 20th century, the difference in height was negligible: Dutch were only about a centimeter taller than Americans: [URL]https://teacher.scholastic.com/activities/immigration/pdfs/by_region/region_table.pdf[/URL].

The height gap was the greatest in 1960: Dutch men born in 1960 are almost 5 centimeters taller than their Americans counterparts. The age cohort born in 1960 would have reached full adult height around 1980. USA census figures for 1980 show 80 percent White, 12 percent Black, 6 percent Hispanic, 2 percent Asian.

So the question is can 8 percent of the population bring down the population average by almost 5 cms? Doing the math here roughly, but let's say we randomly took 100 White / Black American males born in 1960 and found them to have an average height of 180 cm. If we swapped 8 of those "legacy" Americans out with a shorter Latino / Asian American, the only way you could bring down the average to 175 cm, would be if those 8 people had an average height of 117-118 cm. Latinos and Asians tend to be shorter, but not that short: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States[/URL].[/QUOTE]My main contention is that those trends and statistics are not as reliable in a changing nation as one set in a defined border with defined people.

1st, do you think the statistic that average American height dropped 5 cm from 1820 to 1860 is a reflection of declining height within a gene pool? Seems rather odd. Sounds more like bad data.

2nd. I think we all know that Hispanics make up much more than 6% of the US population. This is actually the first time I've ever heard of it being anything lower than 12%. I highly question the veracity of the 6% figure.

3. Dutch height took a big leap forward in the 1930's. How much of that is Dutch growth and how much of that is ethnic cleansing of Jews / Gypsies, etc.

4. Even after the 60's and 80's. American net immigration towers that of the Dutch, especially from shorter countries. Again disputing the veracity of the 6% Hispanic number, pretty sure the number of Hispanics in US is over 50 million. 15% easy.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2618938]LR is also closed, like Vanila ex Vertigo. Except Samya, NRW is slow, many GT girls moved to 6 sens NL. Sharks work good, Hessen is open, Finca also. At the moment, 1 good and 5 top girls for my pleasure and a fresh natural Swiss at Globe. Good Summer for sport and for girls.[/QUOTE]Thanks Sirioja. At least we have Sharks-Oase and World in our hand.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2619087]Thanks Sirioja. At least we have Sharks-Oase and World in our hand.[/QUOTE]Around 100 girls at Sharks on Friday and Saturday and 2 great for me, wish to have my tenth room with one since she started on 9 July when I m her only regular from her first day as she said, but everybody know how I'm different. Oase is not anymore on same level for casting. I don't think for World now. Found 3 really good girls at 6 sens NL, repeating on next week with elegant after real wow discovery and she is really honest when we were over 1 hour. Amira at Samya is so exciting super sexy diva princess, a girl for my fantasies. I made good job in brothels land and deserved from my own way to play. Good game.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2618981]1st, do you think the statistic that average American height dropped 5 cm from 1820 to 1860 is a reflection of declining height within a gene pool? Seems rather odd. Sounds more like bad data.[/QUOTE]Between 1820 and 1860, there was an almost 3 cm decrease in height for American men. Between 1830 and 1840, Ireland lost almost 8 cm of height. Keep in mind these are all birth years. So the wave of short Irish immigrants would have trickled to American shores in the 1850's. Ofc, I am simply making the assumption that during that period when travel was more strenuous, only able-bodied would elect to make the journey: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=NLD~USA~IRL[/URL].

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2618981]2nd. I think we all know that Hispanics make up much more than 6% of the US population. This is actually the first time I've ever heard of it being anything lower than 12%. I highly question the veracity of the 6% figure.[/QUOTE]For most of the 20th century, Dutch were only 1-2 cm taller than Americans. But since the mid-1970's, Dutch have been about 5 cm taller than Americans. That height gap has remained at about 5 cm over the last 50 years, despite the fact that both Latino and Asian populations have tripled.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2618981]Again disputing the veracity of the 6% Hispanic number, pretty sure the number of Hispanics in US is over 50 million. 15% easy.[/QUOTE]Between 1970 and 1980 (birth year 1950 and 1960) is when the Dutch first increased their lead in the "height race". This happened on the White and Black American's watch, because in 1980, Latinos only made up 6 percent of the population (almost 19 percent in 2020).

Anthropometric historian excludes Hispanic-and-Asian-Americans from his studies, and still found American men to be 2 inches shorter than their American counterparts:

[QUOTE]Based on white and black U.S.-born adults, the average American woman is 5 feet 5 inches tall, and the average American man is 5 feet 10 inches tall. [b]Asians and Hispanics, who would make Americans appear even shorter, are excluded to better illuminate how the U.S. compares to Western Europeans[/b]. The average Dutch woman is 5 feet 7 inches tall, and the average Dutch man is about 6 feet and a half inch.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/whos-the-tallest-of-them-all-its-no-longer-the-americans-11553254201
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2619214]Between 1820 and 1860, there was an almost 3 cm decrease in height for American men. Between 1830 and 1840, Ireland lost almost 8 cm of height. Keep in mind these are all birth years. So the wave of short Irish immigrants would have trickled to American shores in the 1850's. Ofc, I am simply making the assumption that during that period when travel was more strenuous, only able-bodied would elect to make the journey: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=NLD~USA~IRL[/URL].

For most of the 20th century, Dutch were only 1-2 cm taller than Americans. But since the mid-1970's, Dutch have been about 5 cm taller than Americans. That height gap has remained at about 5 cm over the last 50 years, despite the fact that both Latino and Asian populations have tripled.

Between 1970 and 1980 (birth year 1950 and 1960) is when the Dutch first increased their lead in the "height race". This happened on the White and Black American's watch, because in 1980, Latinos only made up 6 percent of the population (almost 19 percent in 2020).

Anthropometric historian excludes Hispanic-and-Asian-Americans from his studies, and still found American men to be 2 inches shorter than their American counterparts:[/QUOTE]Ah missed your 1980/6% detail regarding Hispanic Americans. That seems much more believable.

I do recognize the leaps of the Dutch height. My contention remains however: the American height numbers. The gap seems to be most heavily weighted by the rising Dutch height compared to a lesser increasing average American height. Contention remains with the genetic diversity element.

I think the weight on the 20 year gap for birth year to the year where manifestation of height differences is relevant is a bit faulty. Remember, immigrants more often come as grown adults. There will be immediate impact on averages then further effects when the immigrants have children. I think the mid 1960's was the decade that America repealed many exclusion acts related immigration and nation of origin. That was the decade Pacific islanders and southeast Asians came in mass. Similar repeals were granted to poor African nations and subsequently middle eastern countries.

[URL]https://www.history.com/news/immigration-act-1965-changes[/URL]

As far as the excluding Hispanics / Asians artie, I want to point out the distinction of the classification of white Americans. Of the 5 foot 10 white-black American average, Southern Europeans are included, Middle Easterners are included, and perhaps East Indians are included. Would there not still be an expected skewed immigrant influence on the height gap considering that immigration to NL still lags behind Americans? I alluded briefly, but nation of origin matters and white in America is a much larger mix than Northern Euro / Dutch.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2619097]Around 100 girls at Sharks on Friday and Saturday and 2 great for me, wish to have my tenth room with one since she started on 9 July when I m her only regular from her first day as she said, but everybody know how I'm different. Oase is not anymore on same level for casting. I don't think for World now. Found 3 really good girls at 6 sens NL, repeating on next week with elegant after real wow discovery and she is really honest when we were over 1 hour. Amira at Samya is so exciting super sexy diva princess, a girl for my fantasies. I made good job in brothels land and deserved from my own way to play. Good game.[/QUOTE]100 girls is really incredible number. It is always nice to be in Sharks's big lounge. Samya need to be considered also. I hear good things about there nowadays.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2619399]100 girls is really incredible number. It is always nice to be in Sharks's big lounge. Samya need to be considered also. I hear good things about there nowadays.[/QUOTE]I have better to do there, but some guys counted on a Saturday in September, more than 100. I remember on end of 2016 and 2017, I was told about 200 girls on some Fridays at Sharks. Better looks for my eyes and higher pleasure on this Summer than since end of 2016 until covid. Better and more fresh looks than at Globe on this Summer. As I wrote, Samya is exception in slow NRW, maybe also Magnum? With really pretty fresh girls and I enjoy to play with my talent at Samya compare to Turkish, rather than asking for rules. Samya have most exciting sexy princess I saw on this year. 6 sens NL stuck to NRW also worth for quality You can receive there if You are able to play to deserve, on top of what you can get at Globe in bed, discovery with elegant would have been in my top 5 rooms at Globe, but for 100/60. Despite covid, some clubs like Globe, Oase, World, Velbert, Gold a bit, fell but can still get pleasure. Just have to be able to adapt to evolution rather than being stuck like with feet in concrete.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2618483]We have an obesity nutrition problem here, not a height nutrition problem.[/QUOTE]Probably related to high fructose corn syrup as well as glyphosate poisoning.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2618938]LR is also closed, like Vanila ex Vertigo. Except Samya, NRW is slow, many GT girls moved to 6 sens NL. Sharks work good, Hessen is open, Finca also. At the moment, 1 good and 5 top girls for my pleasure and a fresh natural Swiss at Globe. Good Summer for sport and for girls.[/QUOTE]How about YY? Still closed? It's closed for good? What about Babylon, Magnum, and PHG? No good?

[QUOTE=MoneySign;2619530]How about YY? Still closed? It's closed for good? What about Babylon, Magnum, and PHG? No good?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, I m afraid I won t enjoy anymore beautiful high level with good foods and beautiful rooms with shower YY NL where I had so great times with wow girls, fireworks between November 2017 and March 2018, seeing weekly labrador, but staff didn't want I caressed. But I'm afraid this is past, like for LR and wait and see for GT future. Bab Elsdorf is open, Magnum with some GT girls also, PHG also which can worth on Friday or Saturday evening for some Baltics coming to dance like they did before at Vanila ex Vertigo. FKK land is still alive, in Austria, Switzerland even Globe and Amesia fell, Germany and 6 sens NL. Even Spain. Not so bad playfield.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2619495]Probably related to high fructose corn syrup as well as glyphosate poisoning.[/QUOTE]Thanks to MacDo, Cola and they even make our children being fat now. Their obesity kill more than covid.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2619364]I think the mid 1960's was the decade that America repealed many exclusion acts related immigration and nation of origin. That was the decade Pacific islanders and southeast Asians came in mass. Similar repeals were granted to poor African nations and subsequently middle eastern countries.[/QUOTE]Repeal of exclusionary immigration acts in mid-1960's did not result in non-White immigrants coming en masse. I would say a trickle between 1965-1980. And the 1980 census shows that, 92 percent of the USA population was either White or Black. The en masse migration has occurred over the last 30 years, what some refer to as chain migration.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2619364]I want to point out the distinction of the classification of white Americans. Of the 5 foot 10 white-black American average, Southern Europeans are included, Middle Easterners are included, and perhaps East Indians are included. Would there not still be an expected skewed immigrant influence on the height gap considering that immigration to NL still lags behind Americans?[/QUOTE]RE: Groups that may possibly counted as White bringing down the White-American average: Arab-Americans are less than half a percent (2018). Indian-Americans are a little over 1 percent (2010). Italian-Americans are at 5 percent (2017). Even if they are lumped in Whites, they should not be numeric enough to bring down the average by 2-3 inches:

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Americans[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Americans[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Americans[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2619364]I alluded briefly, but nation of origin matters and white in America is a much larger mix than Northern Euro / Dutch.[/QUOTE]Ireland is 93 percent White (84 percent Irish and about 9 percent other White), yet per 1960 births they were 2 cm shorter than Americans and 7 cm shorter than the Dutch. Irish ancestry is either the second or third most common in the USA.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2619657]Repeal of exclusionary immigration acts in mid-1960's did not result in non-White immigrants coming en masse. I would say a trickle between 1965-1980. And the 1980 census shows that, 92 percent of the USA population was either White or Black. The en masse migration has occurred over the last 30 years, what some refer to as chain migration.

RE: Groups that may possibly counted as White bringing down the White-American average: Arab-Americans are less than half a percent (2018). Indian-Americans are a little over 1 percent (2010). Italian-Americans are at 5 percent (2017). Even if they are lumped in Whites, they should not be numeric enough to bring down the average by 2-3 inches:

Ireland is 93 percent White (84 percent Irish and about 9 percent other White), yet per 1960 births they were 2 cm shorter than Americans and 7 cm shorter than the Dutch. Irish ancestry is either the second or third most common in the USA.[/QUOTE]Having a hard time keeping track of the main point to push this discussion forward so some reiteration of your point would be helpful. Mine is that these height numbers should be taken with a grain of salt if discussing environmental or dietary influences. Migration patterns on average paints a more clear picture in my eyes.

First, I am not really connecting your data points to what I think is your main argument. I actually see American heights in comparison to the rest of western countries being relatively on par with most of those countries in recent decades, especially since immigration has increased in most western countries to catch up to American rates (but only recently). Even against the Dutch, the average 50 year old Dutch man is 4.9 cm taller than the average 50 yo American. But the average 30 year old Dutchman is now only 3.7 cm taller than the American. Correlate that with the fact that during this same time period, the Dutch finally saw more immigrants unlike in previous decades which I suspect finally tempered their height explosions. I'll talk more on this later.

This article with a useful infographic breaks down the immigration waves of America and dominant immigrant group (Martin, 2014). We could use your height by birth year graph as a point of comparison:

[URL]https://www.prb.org/resources/trends-in-migration-to-the-u-s/[/URL]

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=NLD~USA[/URL]

America's first migration wave was the Anglo-Saxon group. The proto-colonial-American can be used as a baseline for the genepool.

The second immigration wave was when American immigration was dominated by Southern and Eastern Europeans. But also Irish which my infographic does not explicitly label. American heights by birth year declined pretty steadily from 1830 to 1890 birth years which I would assume to be roughly correlated by average heights from 1850 to 1910 (+20 years). The Irish started coming in the 1820's but in mass during the Great Potato famine of the 1840's and 1850's. Coincidentally, that was also the beginning of declining American height by birth year. Italians actually started coming in the 1880's and through the early 1900's. Average American heights by birth year coincidentally showed a steeper dip correlating with that ethnic group. (Refer to your height-age graph against American immigration graph to verify).

The third American immigration wave (from around 1915 to 1965) occurred when immigration quotas were placed and subsequently was a time when American immigration was a bit low and dominated by Western Europeans. Coincidentally, that was the same period, using your graph of heights by birth years provided, that the heights of men born in those years began to rise and were almost lockstep between the Netherlands and America. Adjusting for whatever lag of birth year to present height, American and Dutch heights seem to move synchronously when the immigrant wave was dominated by people of similar genetics and people from differing gene pools were restricted from entering the United States. (Again correlate with graphs).

As for the fourth wave (post 1965), most western nations seemed to have leveled their height growth during this correlating time period. Add UK, France, Sweden, Norway, Germany, etc to your height plot and you will see similar height growth patterns. Germany saw a little bump with people born between 1970's and 1980's and that might have something to do with reunification, just a guess as it is an outlier.

Now as for the Dutch height explosions, examine the Dutch migration history (Zorlu and Hartog, 2001). The Dutch saw their greatest height boom in those born between the 1930's and 1960's. Correspondingly, during the same time, WWII occurred (no migration). After WWII, NL saw a long period of net migration out, superseding immigration. At the same time (after WWII), birth surplus in NL was uncharacteristically high. Add the fact that this was a poor economic post war era, one could easily conclude that there is a strong correlation between high reproduction rates of the native Dutch gene pool and the resulting height boom of people born during this time. When immigration resumed after, Dutch heights leveled, much like the rest of the western world.

[URL]https://papers.tinbergen.nl/01042.pdf[/URL]

Reiterating my point: Migration patterns is the biggest factor of these height change patterns.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2619703]Having a hard time keeping track of the main point to push this discussion forward so some reiteration of your point would be helpful. Mine is that these height numbers should be taken with a grain of salt if discussing environmental or dietary influences[/QUOTE]Latinos-Asians are not numeric enough to bring down the average much. Despite being 7-10 cm shorter, my guess is that they only bring down the average 1-2 cm. And in the mid-1970's when the NL-to-USA height gap first reached 5 cm, their ability to bring down the average would have been even less.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2619703]Even against the Dutch, the average 50 year old Dutch man is 4.9 cm taller than the average 50 yo American. But the average 30 year old Dutchman is now only 3.7 cm taller than the American. Correlate that with the fact that during this same time period, the Dutch finally saw more immigrants unlike in previous decades which I suspect finally tempered their height explosions..[/QUOTE]USA closed the gap by 1.2 cm at roughly the same time the Latino population went from 6 to 18 percent and the Asian population went from 2 to 6 percent. Given the explosive growth of Latinos and Asians, we would have expected the opposite to happen. In other words, the height gap to grow from 4. 9 cm to 5. 9 cm. Dutch have seen non-White immigration over the last few decades, but I would be surprised if it is anywhere near the levels of the USA over the last 30 years. I do not believe "Great Replacement Theory" is anywhere near a concern in NL as it is in the USA. Moreover many of NL's immigrants are from EU or Middle East, or colonies, Black Surinamese for instance, so one would expect that NL would have been more easily been able to hold on or increase their 4. 9 cm height gap.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2619703][URL]https://www.prb.org/resources/trends-in-migration-to-the-u-s/[/URL]
[/QUOTE]This infographic backs up the figures I found. Despite immigration quotas being lifted, most of the Hispanic and Asian immigration happened much later than mid-1960's. And the period when the NL-to-USA height gap first reached 5 cm was a time when USA was almost entirely White / Black. The South European gene, I am not sure how prevalent it is outside of the Northeast. The fact that pizza was relatively exotic food item until the mid-1950's underscores how little contact most Americans had with Italian-Americans. And while there were a few decades when Italians came in large waves, many stayed only for a short period. Wiki on Italian-Americans: "An estimated 49 per cent of Italians who migrated to the Americas between 1905 (when return migration statistics began) and 1920 did not remain in the United States. These so-called "birds of passage", intended to stay in the United States for only a limited time, followed by a return to Italy with enough in savings to re-establish themselves there".

[QUOTE] America's first migration wave was the Anglo-Saxon group. The proto-colonial-American can be used as a baseline for the genepool.[/QUOTE]Based on 1830 births, USA was 5. 4 cm than brethren back in the UK. Only one decade since then has the UK been taller than USA. Perhaps the Anglo gene is to blame for not being able to achieve the Dutch heights? [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=USA~GBR~IRL[/URL].

[QUOTE]Reiterating my point: Migration patterns is the biggest factor of these height change patterns.[/QUOTE]It depends how many arrive, how large the native population is to begin with, and how long the migrant population stays. Average family size will matter too, but probably will not manifest until a few generations in the country. Unless there is a significant pull-factor, most nations would place a quota on how many foreigners arrive.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2619991]Latinos-Asians are not numeric enough to bring down the average much. Despite being 7-10 cm shorter, my guess is that they only bring down the average 1-2 cm. And in the mid-1970's when the NL-to-USA height gap first reached 5 cm, their ability to bring down the average would have been even less.

USA closed the gap by 1.2 cm at roughly the same time the Latino population went from 6 to 18 percent and the Asian population went from 2 to 6 percent. Given the explosive growth of Latinos and Asians, we would have expected the opposite to happen. In other words, the height gap to grow from 4. 9 cm to 5. 9 cm. Dutch have seen non-White immigration over the last few decades, but I would be surprised if it is anywhere near the levels of the USA over the last 30 years. I do not believe "Great Replacement Theory" is anywhere near a concern in NL as it is in the USA. Moreover many of NL's immigrants are from EU or Middle East, or colonies, Black Surinamese for instance, so one would expect that NL would have been more easily been able to hold on or increase their 4. 9 cm height gap..[/QUOTE]-Height gap by birth year peaked in 1960 so I think actual height gap peak would manifest closer to 1980's. During the recent US migration wave, Western Euros saw even more immigration proportionally. In the case of the Dutch, 5-10 x more. That's significant.

-Yes Asian-Latino immigration took off a bit after the 1965 repeals. It was heavier in the 80's, and 90's. Then that would be referenced on your birth year graph as men born around 1960, the peak gap in birth year. What happened to the gap in men born in between 1960 and 1970? It narrowed. So these men born in the 1960's would have been the same immigrants who came in the 1980's and 1990's, Asian-Latino surge years.

-Equally important is what happened in NL. Reference previous post regarding lack of immigration into NL in the decades prior to the 1960's. The height gap peaked in men born before 1960, actual manifestation of average height gap probably around 1980. After 1960 was when immigration surplus returned to NL. In short, Dutch Baby Boomers without immigration heavily correlates with the height gap jump.

Let's discuss peak potential considering gene pool:

- NL has been an emigrate nation for the centuries up until second half of the 20th. More homogenous Dutch gene pool until after the 1970's. Therefore baseline of Dutch height shouldn't be considered established until around that time. Americans however saw continuous immigration through the 19th century. Perhaps in 1920 when "undesirable" immigration was reduced should be what we take as the American baseline.

In 2017 17 million people identified as Italian American, 5.5-6%. That's about the same as non Hispanic Asian Americans. Add the 15+% Hispanic, 6% Asian, all the various middle easterners and eastern Europeans and you have at least 1/3 non Anglo and non black Americans. Add that black Americans are about an inch shorter than the average Caucasian American, add all those other non Dutch-Nordic-areas and it would be expected that average American heights would be less than the average Dutch or surrounding nations.

I would love to see the average height of American born Dutch-Americans. I bet it's within half a centimeter of native Dutch.

I remember on 90's when Barcelona dream team with Jordan Bulls, Magic Johnson Lakers, Charles Barkley Suns, Larry Bird Celtics, there was a NBA team leader who was I think less than 160.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2620194]I remember on 90's when Barcelona dream team with Jordan Bulls, Magic Johnson Lakers, Charles Barkley Suns, Larry Bird Celtics, there was a NBA team leader who was I think less than 160.[/QUOTE]Given I remember all those names from when I was very young (NBA today sucks in comparison), I am quite sure the guy you are thinking of was active in the 80's and not in the 90's. And I'm guessing his name was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Since I played with him in some old silly basketball video game back in the days when he had 2 x the speed of all the other players. Completely silly overpowered.

Damn, I guess I must have mixed him up with another guy. Just googled him, and Abdul-Jabbar is a giant in size.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2620080]In 2017 17 million people identified as Italian American, 5.5-6%. That's about the same as non Hispanic Asian Americans. Add the 15+% Hispanic, 6% Asian, all the various middle easterners and eastern Europeans and you have at least 1/3 non Anglo and non black Americans. Add that black Americans are about an inch shorter than the average Caucasian American, add all those other non Dutch-Nordic-areas and it would be expected that average American heights would be less than the average Dutch or surrounding nations.[/QUOTE]Using 2017 figures, the number of Hispanics and Asians becomes slightly more significant. Again if we say that 180 cm is the average height of White / Black American. I will even round up the combined Latino and Asian Americans to be 35 percent. In order for 35 percent of the population to bring down the population average a full 5 cm down to say 175 cm:

(180*65)+ 35 x = 175*100.

The 35 percent would need to average about 165 cm. I believe the average for Latino and Asian Americans males is about 169 cm. But as I said the 5 cm gap first appeared based on 1960 births, so possibly mid-1980's population as you acknowledge. I would guess that the combined Latino and Asian populations in the mid-1980's was almost certainly under 15 percent at that time.

As late as 1990, USA's immigrant population was a little under 8 percent. Coincidentally, NL's immigrant population in 1990 was also a little less than 8 percent.

[URL]https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/NLD/netherlands/immigration-statistics[/URL]

[URL]https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2620080]I would love to see the average height of American born Dutch-Americans. I bet it's within half a centimeter of native Dutch.[/QUOTE]I would guess that there are not many Americans of pure Dutch ancestry. There are however South-Africans of almost pure or at least predominantly Dutch ancestry. If you compare White-Afrikaners to White Americans, I would guess that there is significantly more Dutch ancestry in the former. The average height of a White South African male is 176 cm, which is several cm shorter than the White American who probably has very little Dutch ancestry, but more German, Anglo, or Irish ancestry: [URL]https://www.medicalbrief.co.za/black-south-african-men-have-been-inching-up-over-the-past-30-years/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2620194]I remember on 90's when Barcelona dream team with Jordan Bulls, Magic Johnson Lakers, Charles Barkley Suns, Larry Bird Celtics, there was a NBA team leader who was I think less than 160.[/QUOTE]Not a single Dream Teamer was even less than 180 cm.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2620378]Damn, I guess I must have mixed him up with another guy. Just googled him, and Abdul-Jabbar is a giant in size.[/QUOTE]Muggsy Bogues was 5'3" inches and played in the NBA.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2620418]Not a single Dream Teamer was even less than 180 cm.[/QUOTE]I wrote while dream team, not in dream team. Bogues Charlotte 160 and famous Jordan didn't like him. 15 NBA players with not more than 175. Internet talk, even less than real field.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2620418]Not a single Dream Teamer was even less than 180 cm.[/QUOTE]You're omitting the Shire all stars team, with the Baggins guys, Merry, Pippin and Sam.

They're idolized by vertically challenged delusional people.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2620442]Muggsy Bogues was 5'3" inches and played in the NBA.[/QUOTE]Clearly just making it in the NBA was an achievement for somebody his size, but he wasn't a "team leader". Career high season was 11 points per game. He was popular because of his size.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2620627]Clearly just making it in the NBA was an achievement for somebody his size, but he wasn't a "team leader". Career high season was 11 points per game. He was popular because of his size.[/QUOTE]Watch on your internet: not told he was leading his team game? Going between tall, giving good balls to others? How many passes? Maybe why not so many points for him, when Jordan wanted all Bulls play only for him and didn't like Scotti Pippen talent. You don't seem to understand much about sports, for sure easier when you are used to sports rather than only watching on TV or internet. I think he was shortest, but other less than 170 played NBA. Messi would be very short, not much more than 160 if Barcelona didn't give him pills. Not sure he would be not so good when we had great player in France, 163 Alain Giresse with stronger kick than Messi. Look on internet RFA vs France in Sevilla 1982, best ever French football team, better than 1998 and 2018.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2620669]Watch on your internet: not told he was leading his team game? Going between tall, giving good balls to others? How many passes? Maybe why not so many points for him, when Jordan wanted all Bulls play only for him and didn't like Scotti Pippen talent. You don't seem to understand much about sports, for sure easier when you are used to sports rather than only watching on TV or internet. I think he was shortest, but other less than 170 played NBA. Messi would be very short, not much more than 160 if Barcelona didn't give him pills. Not sure he would be not so good when we had great player in France, 163 Alain Giresse with stronger kick than Messi. Look on internet RFA vs France in Sevilla 1982, best ever French football team, better than 1998 and 2018.[/QUOTE]Being a point guard doesn't make one a team leader in basketball. Undisputed team leaders in Charlotte at the time were Alonzo Mourning (Hall of Fame, 7 times All Star and twice defensive player of the year) and Larry Johnson (2 times All Star). Muggsy Bogues didn't get selected in any All Star game, never mind to make it in the NBA Hall of Fame. He was a decent player, he was a starter for a while, but he was never the best player on any team in the NBA. Bringing up Messi or Giresse is completely irrelevant, different sport and different people. I agree that short people are normally better at gymnastics.

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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2620460]I wrote while dream team, not in dream team. Bogues Charlotte 160 and famous Jordan didn't like him. 15 NBA players with not more than 175. Internet talk, even less than real field.[/QUOTE]You're right. We all have heroes.

Where is the best city to go to fuck Swedish or Danish escort top stunner beauty girl? London?

Definitely not Stockholm as I met a lot of Swedish guys at Artemis LOL.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2620702]Being a point guard doesn't make one a team leader in basketball. Undisputed team leaders in Charlotte at the time were Alonzo Mourning (Hall of Fame, 7 times All Star and twice defensive player of the year) and Larry Johnson (2 times All Star). Muggsy Bogues didn't get selected in any All Star game, never mind to make it in the NBA Hall of Fame. He was a decent player, he was a starter for a while, but he was never the best player on any team in the NBA. Bringing up Messi or Giresse is completely irrelevant, different sport and different people. I agree that short people are normally better at gymnastics.[/QUOTE]Bogues passed balls to tall. Maradona never said he was impressed by Messi when he was impressed by Giresse when both played in 80's, but I agree not same business for football in 80's and Bordeaux is not Barcelona. I didn't write Giresse was better player than Messi, but 163 and stronger kick than Messi, stronger than Platini, Zidane, not meaning better. Same like on bicycle, Champs Elysees or Poggio or Huy, or extreme steep are very different sport, even for best professionals.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2620889]Bogues passed balls to tall.[/QUOTE]Sure, he was the third best player in the team. So, not a team leader.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2620889]Bogues passed balls to tall. Maradona never said he was impressed by Messi when he was impressed by Giresse when both played in 80's, but I agree not same business for football in 80's and Bordeaux is not Barcelona. I didn't write Giresse was better player than Messi, but 163 and stronger kick than Messi, stronger than Platini, Zidane, not meaning better. [/QUOTE]Messi or Giresse or whatever other football player now or in the 80's has nothing to do if Bogues was the team leader or not. Bogues was a point guard and the job of the point guard is to bring the ball up court and to distribute the ball. That alone does not make him a team leader. LeBron James is not a point guard and I doubt anybody can say he is not the team leader wherever he plays.

OK, look guys. This whole conversation is a ridiculous waste of time. I know this is the lounge where we can (and should) have more latitude, but this has become asinine. Let me tell you all something. I am a [B]huge[/B] basketball fan OK? Both at the college and pro level here in the United States. And I'll tell you something else. I watched Tyrone "Muggsy" Bogues play throughout his entire college career, and then his move on to the pros, which was indeed an incredible feat for somebody of his stature. But, here's the truth of the matter. He was indeed a leading player at Wake Forest University, and that's what helped him to make the giant leap to the professional level. But, he absolutely was not a team leader in the National Basketball Association over the course of his career in terms of being star producer on the court. No, his main claim to fame came from being essentially an oddity to the game, along with Manute Bol who was actually his teammate at one time, and one of the tallest men to ever play in the NBA. Bogues had skills, and was an incredible talent for being only 5'3". However, his impact and leadership in the NBA was nothing compared to what he did at the high school and then the university level of the game. I know this to be true. I watched him play over the course of his [B]entire[/B] career. Now, can we please get back to tits, pussy, and ass please? At least tangentially even?

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2621001]Messi or Giresse or whatever other football player now or in the 80's has nothing to do if Bogues was the team leader or not. Bogues was a point guard and the job of the point guard is to bring the ball up court and to distribute the ball. That alone does not make him a team leader. LeBron James is not a point guard and I doubt anybody can say he is not the team leader wherever he plays.[/QUOTE]I meant small but organizing his team game, I never wrote he was ever MVP. I should have also written I'm much lighter than Sagan, helping in steep. Small Giresse was on Platini and Zidane level for me, but not a star in his mind.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2620527]You're omitting the Shire all stars team, with the Baggins guys, Merry, Pippin and Sam.

They're idolized by vertically challenged delusional people.[/QUOTE]I read something once about 12% of all Americans above a certain height played in the NBA.

Goes to show what a silly sport it really is.

I believe it was 12% of every man over 2.10 m.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2620802]Where is the best city to go to fuck Swedish or Danish escort top stunner beauty girl? London?

Definitely not Stockholm as I met a lot of Swedish guys at Artemis LOL.[/QUOTE]Well, I fucked a hot blonde from Gothenburg, Sweden at Globe in Zurich. She was a real winner, and the only Swedish girl I have ever been with! Then, before I could call myself a monger really, I fucked a blonde, Danish girl working one of the windows in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. Made me always want a little "Danish" in the mornings after that hahaha! I recall that after the deed was done and I was leaving, there was a crowd of guys standing around who clapped and cheered loudly! I just kept my head down and got out of there as I did not want any unnecessary attention being drawn to me.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2620802]Where is the best city to go to fuck Swedish or Danish escort top stunner beauty girl? London?

Definitely not Stockholm as I met a lot of Swedish guys at Artemis LOL.[/QUOTE]Go to Copenhagen if you want Danish girls. Denmark has the best sex scene of Nordic countries IMO.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2620802]Where is the best city to go to fuck Swedish or Danish escort top stunner beauty girl? London?

Definitely not Stockholm as I met a lot of Swedish guys at Artemis LOL.[/QUOTE]Try any Spanish beaches. Maybe in the Malaga or Alicante region. Or perhaps on Gran Canaria or Mallorca.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2621016]OK, look guys. This whole conversation is a ridiculous waste of time. I know this is the lounge where we can (and should) have more latitude, but this has become asinine. Let me tell you all something. I am a [B]huge[/B] basketball fan OK? Both at the college and pro level here in the United States. And I'll tell you something else. I watched Tyrone "Muggsy" Bogues play throughout his entire college career, and then his move on to the pros, which was indeed an incredible feat for somebody of his stature. But, here's the truth of the matter. He was indeed a leading player at Wake Forest University, and that's what helped him to make the giant leap to the professional level. But, he absolutely was not a team leader in the National Basketball Association over the course of his career in terms of being star producer on the court. No, his main claim to fame came from being essentially an oddity to the game, along with Manute Bol who was actually his teammate at one time, and one of the tallest men to ever play in the NBA. Bogues had skills, and was an incredible talent for being only 5'3". However, his impact and leadership in the NBA was nothing compared to what he did at the high school and then the university level of the game. I know this to be true. I watched him play over the course of his [B]entire[/B] career. Now, can we please get back to tits, pussy, and ass please? At least tangentially even?[/QUOTE]For sure he was not Shawn Kempf Sonics for dunk contest, when Kempf was not a NBA height giant, but didn't mini organize Charlotte game, passing balls to tall? What I call leading the game, when Jordan was a leader, asking all team to play for him and some players like Pippen couldn't play how they were able. But in Barcelona where dream team didn't play only for him, Sir Charles Barkley Suns was more impressive than him. Same than Messi with Etoo or Ibrahimovic in Barcelona, all team only for him, but with Argentina, he was never like Maradona. Claimed leader are not always best for, same than claimed specialists I remember when I started, understanding when hearing them, we were so different so we couldn't play and experience same. For sure these specialists didn't like, when I prefer to be just me and my way, like in outside life.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2621128]Well, I fucked a hot blonde from Gothenburg, Sweden at Globe in Zurich. She was a real winner, and the only Swedish girl I have ever been with!.[/QUOTE]Amanda, Finnish / Swedish? Fake boobs, erect nipples, pink backdoor available.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2621217]Try any Spanish beaches. Maybe in the Malaga or Alicante region. Or perhaps on Gran Canaria or Mallorca.[/QUOTE]Years ago I tried the Spanish beaches and Scandinavia admiring the Nordic beauties but ended up just having to console my hard on.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2621231]Amanda, Finnish / Swedish? Fake boobs, erect nipples, pink backdoor available.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, I don't remember her name (was a long time ago), but I did enjoy her pink backdoor as well as some great "skull" (she was throwing that pretty blonde hair every which way). And she was quite clear that she was from Gothenburg, Sweden. Said she would fly in and work 3 or so days a week and make a lot of money fucking, then fly back home to Sweden. Again, this was years ago.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2621175]Go to Copenhagen if you want Danish girls. Denmark has the best sex scene of Nordic countries IMO.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is allowed in Denmark? Germany suburb.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2621320]Unfortunately, I don't remember her name (was a long time ago), but I did enjoy her pink backdoor as well as some great "skull" (she was throwing that pretty blonde hair every which way). And she was quite clear that she was from Gothenburg, Sweden. Said she would fly in and work 3 or so days a week and make a lot of money fucking, then fly back home to Sweden. Again, this was years ago.[/QUOTE]Quite possible it was her if it was 2013 or 2014. There is a small Finnish minority living in Sweden and Amanda said she was part of it. I remember she was not working very much since she had a regular job too. At some point she got Swiss residency. She moved later from Globe to Westside because it was easier to get the flexible schedule that she wanted. In the end she was working independent, she posted a bit in the Swiss forum end of 2015.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2621320]Unfortunately, I don't remember her name (was a long time ago), but I did enjoy her pink backdoor as well as some great "skull" (she was throwing that pretty blonde hair every which way). And she was quite clear that she was from Gothenburg, Sweden. Said she would fly in and work 3 or so days a week and make a lot of money fucking, then fly back home to Sweden. Again, this was years ago.[/QUOTE]I went back and did some searching, and yes! Her name was Amanda! Long gone by now for sure.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2621327]Prostitution is allowed in Denmark? Germany suburb.[/QUOTE]It's legal in Denmark believe it or not.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2621016]OK, look guys. This whole conversation is a ridiculous waste of time. I know this is the lounge where we can (and should) have more latitude, but this has become asinine. Let me tell you all something. I am a [B]huge[/B] basketball fan OK? Both at the college and pro level here in the United States. And I'll tell you something else. I watched Tyrone "Muggsy" Bogues play throughout his entire college career, and then his move on to the pros, which was indeed an incredible feat for somebody of his stature. But, here's the truth of the matter. He was indeed a leading player at Wake Forest University, and that's what helped him to make the giant leap to the professional level. But, he absolutely was not a team leader in the National Basketball Association over the course of his career in terms of being[/QUOTE]He has a point that Mugsy was a leader in the sense that any starting point guard in the NBA is a de facto NBA leader. Semantics.

The more peculiar observation however should be that amongst a conversation of Dutch versus American height progression, why would one make a randomly comment about NBA players and insert a point about a short guy in the NBA. I find that observation more revealing and reinforcing of deeper issues.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2621372]It's legal in Denmark believe it or not.[/QUOTE]Good point when prostitution is kind of social service on my opinion, rather than guys going to make problems to women in streets.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2621128]Well, I fucked a hot blonde from Gothenburg, Sweden at Globe in Zurich. She was a real winner, and the only Swedish girl I have ever been with! Then, before I could call myself a monger really, I fucked a blonde, Danish girl working one of the windows in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. Made me always want a little "Danish" in the mornings after that hahaha! I recall that after the deed was done and I was leaving, there was a crowd of guys standing around who clapped and cheered loudly! I just kept my head down and got out of there as I did not want any unnecessary attention being drawn to me.[/QUOTE]And you still complain about globe? LOL! I fucked half German and half Swede, she was among my stunner of stunner that I still remember!

Well, buddy, we definitely made a right choice to be professional monger who know what we are doing LOL!

I like Globe a lot, I always find blonde stunner there, only one usually, but she is there LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2621217]Try any Spanish beaches. Maybe in the Malaga or Alicante region. Or perhaps on Gran Canaria or Mallorca.[/QUOTE]There is a disco there called Olivie de baller or something like that in Marbella, that I went long ago, but it is not brothel though!

And I also know there is good brothel in Marbella, but I forgot the name and I never been there!

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2621175]Go to Copenhagen if you want Danish girls. Denmark has the best sex scene of Nordic countries IMO.[/QUOTE]Danish girls are beautiful, but I read in forum that escort is illegal there and usually girls do not tute at home, they go to different country, so I was hoping more like London is where Swedish and Danish girl would go and do escort, so nobody back home would know!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2621320]Unfortunately, I don't remember her name (was a long time ago), but I did enjoy her pink backdoor as well as some great "skull" (she was throwing that pretty blonde hair every which way). And she was quite clear that she was from Gothenburg, Sweden. Said she would fly in and work 3 or so days a week and make a lot of money fucking, then fly back home to Sweden. Again, this was years ago.[/QUOTE]We find the jewels in FKK sometimes LOL!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2621339]Quite possible it was her if it was 2013 or 2014. There is a small Finnish minority living in Sweden and Amanda said she was part of it. I remember she was not working very much since she had a regular job too. At some point she got Swiss residency. She moved later from Globe to Westside because it was easier to get the flexible schedule that she wanted. In the end she was working independent, she posted a bit in the Swiss forum end of 2015.[/QUOTE]You guy's radar to track down these girls are just amazing to the level of intelligence service like CIA LOL! But more like PIA, Prostitute Intelligence Agency LOL!

I do not barely remember those FKK girls fake club names LOL!

I track down few on sns though after some adding me and yes, I saved the photos for self pleasure reasons with my masturbation holes LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2621546]You guy's radar to track down these girls are just amazing to the level of intelligence service like CIA LOL! But more like PIA, Prostitute Intelligence Agency LOL!

I do not barely remember those FKK girls fake club names LOL!

I track down few on sns though after some adding me and yes, I saved the photos for self pleasure reasons with my masturbation holes LOL![/QUOTE]What is sns?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2621319]Years ago I tried the Spanish beaches and Scandinavia admiring the Nordic beauties but ended up just having to console my hard on.[/QUOTE]Better to go to Russia. Just as pretty or more, and easier on the go. Actually Russians are either the most beautiful, or the ugliest in the world. Seems like the population split in half. But the top 30% at least are really hot. Higher percentage than anywhere else I've seen. Except for the odd smaller place.

Just don't ever try hitting up Russians on the internet. That's a recipe for getting scammed.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2621542]There is a disco there called Olivie de baller or something like that in Marbella, that I went long ago, but it is not brothel though!

And I also know there is good brothel in Marbella, but I forgot the name and I never been there![/QUOTE]Yeah, if you want the half pros, I think you are onto something. Marbella is the hotspot.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2621764]What is sns?[/QUOTE]You are even worse than me: snapchat, more fashion now than face de bouc or whatsapp, Chinese toc toc being also fashion. I will stay with whatsapp, when I prefer my real life than virtual life on social media.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2621807]Yeah, if you want the half pros, I think you are onto something. Marbella is the hotspot.[/QUOTE]Got to compete with Arab guys there though and man, they pay big time LOL! FKK is 50 euro, I ain't 50 Cent, but I am 50 Euro kinda guy LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2621764]What is sns?[/QUOTE]Social Network Service, some girls added me and when they do, I quickly go through her friend list to see if I see few familiar faces that I fucked, and drag and save to my computers for my future use, these photos became handy during pandemic self lock down LOL! Like they said, you got to prepare yourself and I never knew these photos will become so useful on daily basis with masturbation hole LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2621806]Just don't ever try hitting up Russians on the internet. That's a recipe for getting scammed.[/QUOTE]I fucked them in Eastern Europe, but you kinda need connection there if you want stunner of stunner, but I did find some top girls at 5 star hotel bar that looked like an escort when I come to think about it much later as I saw few dressed up girls everyday in hotel bar, but who knows? Next time, I may try to discretely ask to find out, they were talking to security of hotel in friendly manner, so they could have been hotel approved escort? But unfortunately, I did not go with them as this thought did not came across my dirty mind back then LOL! I did fuck good in Moscow though in Radisson hotel royal in Stalin built architecture like a champ LOL! I still prefer FKK though LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2621835]You are even worse than me: snapchat, more fashion now than face de bouc or whatsapp, Chinese toc toc being also fashion. I will stay with whatsapp, when I prefer my real life than virtual life on social media.[/QUOTE]Just google VR Chat.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2621945]I fucked them in Eastern Europe, but you kinda need connection there if you want stunner of stunner, but I did find some top girls at 5 star hotel bar that looked like an escort when I come to think about it much later as I saw few dressed up girls everyday in hotel bar, but who knows? Next time, I may try to discretely ask to find out, they were talking to security of hotel in friendly manner, so they could have been hotel approved escort? But unfortunately, I did not go with them as this thought did not came across my dirty mind back then LOL! I did fuck good in Moscow though in Radisson hotel royal in Stalin built architecture like a champ LOL! I still prefer FKK though LOL![/QUOTE]I have had great sessions with Russian girls I met in Germany, Switzerland, and Spain. One of my favorite tutes of all time was blue-eyed, blonde, Ruskie "Steffi" who used to work at Oase. I'm sure guys who have been around a long time remember her. Steffi's outstanding reputation for both great looks and service was well-deserved.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2621540]And you still complain about globe? LOL![/QUOTE]Yes I do, because Globe is too expensive. Everything in Switzerland is too expensive! The most expensive place I have ever visited. And to think that there are other countries that are even more expensive than Switzerland! I shudder at the thought. Not going to those places to monger!

Have a bit transit time between flights to visit FKK for the first time, plan to check out Sharks. Hoping to learn some basic etiquette. Like where to store valuables? Do ladies accept cash or card? Pay to lady or pay through club? Can carry cell phone with me? In private sessions photos allowed? Any tips would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2622166]Yes I do, because Globe is too expensive. Everything in Switzerland is too expensive! The most expensive place I have ever visited. And to think that there are other countries that are even more expensive than Switzerland! I shudder at the thought. Not going to those places to monger![/QUOTE]I had more than 500 € 2 hours rooms at Globe and didn't regret my money because girls did worth. I know and agree a Porsche is more expensive than a Ford, because better quality and more performing. But I don't agree to pay expensive for a Dacia or a VW Lupo like now. On Summer 2020, I found a elegant and charming German ex Artemis, because fire in bed I managed about silicon when she was with naturals at Artemis, but so fire she did cum in 2 minutes on DATY, couldn't touch her clit more, then also cumming very fast on fucking with her nails in my arms, so in 30 mn she had 3 orgasms and asked to go to toilets and I paid for this time, she would have never been able I DATY or fuck her for 1 hour, when I don't pay to get massage, nor for therapy, nor for smoking, nor to ask her to go to catch guys in lounge to watch her being fucked by other guys, so 45 mn 210 CHF were more than enough for sex with her, when I needed 1 h15 and 4 fingers working deep and her G spot to make cum on DATY small German Lucifer at Gold, 2 hours room for 160.

For sure, skipass for Zermatt and Matterhorn is very expensive. Globe entry 95 and 170 for party is also expensive for quality of foods and low level rooms, maybe why guys prefer sex out of bad light and dirty beds rooms.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2622166]Yes I do, because Globe is too expensive. Everything in Switzerland is too expensive! The most expensive place I have ever visited. And to think that there are other countries that are even more expensive than Switzerland! I shudder at the thought. Not going to those places to monger![/QUOTE]Every dollar spent on stunner prostitute who provided good session is not a waste of money, but choosing not to go with stunners are waste of life is my motto and as long as the rate is globe rate, for me it is ok and it is not rip off, you get the money worth LOL!

As for what I sometimes read on forum like some FKK girls in Germany saying 300 euro per hour etc is rip off and no way! But I never had such extreme upsell in German FKK, just 150 euro per hour most of time including all GFE can offer! So for me I am happy monger for the price for FKK!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2622161]I have had great sessions with Russian girls I met in Germany, Switzerland, and Spain. One of my favorite tutes of all time was blue-eyed, blonde, Ruskie "Steffi" who used to work at Oase. I'm sure guys who have been around a long time remember her. Steffi's outstanding reputation for both great looks and service was well-deserved.[/QUOTE]Me too in Lausanne and also in Almaty, but she was blonde white Russian out of Paris fashion week runway! Great memories, great memories everywhere around the world LOL!

[QUOTE=Apollo946;2622220]Have a bit transit time between flights to visit FKK for the first time, plan to check out Sharks. Hoping to learn some basic etiquette. Like where to store valuables? Do ladies accept cash or card? Pay to lady or pay through club? Can carry cell phone with me? In private sessions photos allowed? Any tips would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Cash, there is safe box in sharks when you enter big main bar area on the right, you will see it! It is next to where the girls comes out if I remember correctly, the key is the same as your locker key! Photos not allowed but can ask girls if you think she is friendly enough as in FKK anything goes, you may have to pay extra though! But don't take photos without permition as you are not even allowed phone in main bar area, only in locker room!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2622463]Stay home, do not meet people and wear mask, it is that simple LOL![/QUOTE]I got, DATY and kissed so many girls under covid, not being vaccinated, at my old age. On this Summer I preferred to spend a lot of time for my sport and I look forward ski for Christmas now, but even 5th wave fall on us, I will keep on enjoying my pleasures when my lungs are full clean from my sport.

Those who did not wear mask or some are extreme as far as mongering, clubbing in disco etc, lead to high death rate in some cities in Europe including Paris and again, it is simple, just limit going outside for not required purposes and when you do go outside to do required things like supermarket, wear mask.

It is those careless people killed those who died of covid. It is not time to be selfish.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2622626]I got, DATY and kissed so many girls under covid, not being vaccinated, at my old age. On this Summer I preferred to spend a lot of time for my sport and I look forward ski for Christmas now, but even 5th wave fall on us, I will keep on enjoying my pleasures when my lungs are full clean from my sport.[/QUOTE]My way of life when I m so frustrated from no ski on 2020 and 2021, when I never missed a Winter for ski since 50 years, but of course I advice all to be careful when no one here would follow me climbing. When covid cases are increasing in EU, when 600 deaths daily in Romania, more than 1000 deaths daily in Russia, to put pressure to vaccinate, Germany and Austria are thinking about only 2 G, no more tests allowed, when still fast tests at Sharks on last week end.

If you are always negative for more than 20 tests since May, you can't give. On the other hand, some vaccinated are positive and give. But I was happy for her when my Sharks Romanian supermodel who doesn't seem to have a so strong health, got vaccinated at Sharks. More safe for her and when she returns home.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2622166]Yes I do, because Globe is too expensive. Everything in Switzerland is too expensive! The most expensive place I have ever visited. And to think that there are other countries that are even more expensive than Switzerland! I shudder at the thought. Not going to those places to monger![/QUOTE]Everything in Switzerland is expensive because people have more disposable income (high salaries and low taxes). The bright side for people living in Switzerland is that when traveling abroad most places feel cheap.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2622286]As for what I sometimes read on forum like some FKK girls in Germany saying 300 euro per hour etc is rip off and no way! But I never had such extreme upsell in German FKK, just 150 euro per hour most of time including all GFE can offer! So for me I am happy monger for the price for FKK![/QUOTE]I had never paid more than 100 E per hour in a club unless there were extras. Then again, I haven't been in the clubs since Covid. Apparently 150 E is the norm now? Is 300 E extreme upselling? I guess so. However, in the real scheme*of things, it won't make any practical difference to your life. If you were a monger who did 20 sessions per trip, you would have paid 2000 E, now you are prepared to pay 3000 E. Like crabs in hot water, mongers slowly adjusted to pay another 1000 E per trip. If the price goes to 200, they will mentally adjust to paying another 1000. It is the suddenness of the increase that is unsettling. Then they get used to it after a couple of trips. Until the next big jump.

I have returned to my sugarbabe scene after a year of hiatus and wrote a report in the SA thread. For $300, I spent between 3 to 4 hours with a 22 year old blonde junior from a local Univ yesterday; an hour of brunch and 2+ hours in a hotel. The sex alone would have cost more than that in FKKs with the new pricing plans in place, not to mention I didn't have to travel anywhere other than making a 30-minute drive from home. This girl would rank in the top 10 percentile in any FKK on body and top 15 percentile by face, and top 2 by IQ. My best girl in the past month has been a slightly troubled girl but an absolutely gorgeous girl by face and body, very docile and submissive.

Sugar babe sites have for a long time been free market oriented exchange places. There were average and below average girls who would ask for outrageous amounts just for sending nudes and videos or even just chatting, and more than 500 for an hour of sex; I have been asked $4,000 a month (upfront) for 2 sex meets by just an above average girl recently. I don't know how many takers there are, but some exist. The US has millions of wealthy men who have more money than they know what to do w / it and if these girls catch the right guys, just for talking a few times a day on text messaging, they could receive thousands in monthly allowance. I personally heard of several such arrangements. There are even wealthy women who patronize some of these young ladies, often for platonic relationships. Then again, w / some due diligence and patience, a monger could also find absolute gems at extremely reasonable prices (such as my troubled girl). I get the feeling FKKs may be evolving into similar models, with each girl* setting own price point, albeit all under the same roof.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2622961]I had never paid more than 100 E per hour in a club unless there were extras. Then again, I haven't been in the clubs since Covid. Apparently 150 E is the norm now? Is 300 E extreme upselling? I guess so. However, in the real scheme*of things, it won't make any practical difference to your life. If you were a monger who did 20 sessions per trip, you would have paid 2000 E, now you are prepared to pay 3000 E. Like crabs in hot water, mongers slowly adjusted to pay another 1000 E per trip. If the price goes to 200, they will mentally adjust to paying another 1000. It is the suddenness of the increase that is unsettling. Then they get used to it after a couple of trips. Until the next big jump.

I have returned to my sugarbabe scene after a year of hiatus and wrote a report in the SA thread. For $300, I spent between 3 to 4 hours with a 22 year old blonde junior from a local Univ yesterday; an hour of brunch and 2+ hours in a hotel. The sex alone would have cost more than that in FKKs with the new pricing plans in place, not to mention I didn't have to travel anywhere other than making a 30-minute drive from home. This girl would rank in the top 10 percentile in any FKK on body and top 15 percentile by face, and top 2 by IQ. My best girl in the past month has been a slightly troubled girl but an absolutely gorgeous girl by face and body, very docile and submissive..[/QUOTE]I am not into sugarbade scene, but often I paid and pay 150 euo per hour in some clubs like Artemis and palace, now I get lucky sometimes to get it all even rimming for standard 50 or 60 euro (now 70 apparently with price increase), but these days of getting all for standard price is long gone and getting rare occasion now than before, but in Globe I got all for 140 chf standard price even rimming and putting finger in ass etc, but in Germany, it is getting rare.

150/60 is not new norm in Germany where can still find many and some pretty girls for 100/60 for GFE / BBBJ, I don t know for 50/30, not my standard for sex. I paid 150/60 only for 2 wow looks who would be the most impressive and on top of level at Globe. Have a elegant sophisticated natural, lovely GFE regular, my best at Sharks, for 100/60. Had 4 really good rooms at 6 sens NL for 100/60 and a bit longer than 60 for 2. Funny I read girls don't provide and ask same rate to all.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2622889]Everything in Switzerland is expensive because people have more disposable income (high salaries and low taxes). The bright side for people living in Switzerland is that when traveling abroad most places feel cheap.[/QUOTE]Living in border town like Genève or Basel can act as advantage for swiss people, but also there are some cross border workers like living in Evian, but work in Genève etc as it is only 30 min drive etc.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2622961].....Is 300 E extreme upselling? I guess so. ....[/QUOTE]A girl would have to be absolutely spectacular for me to pay her EUR300 for an hour. The hottest FKK girl I ever went to the zimmer with was in Oase many years ago and I paid EUR50 for half hour. If I were to meet her today and she looks the same as she did back then I would most likely agree to EUR300 per hour.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2623209]A girl would have to be absolutely spectacular for me to pay her EUR300 for an hour. The hottest FKK girl I ever went to the zimmer with was in Oase many years ago and I paid EUR50 for half hour. If I were to meet her today and she looks the same as she did back then I would most likely agree to EUR300 per hour.[/QUOTE]Paying 300 for an hour is routine for me, but I am selective. I'm lucky if I see even 2 or 3 I want in an entire afternoon to late evening at a club. A typical price breakdown would be 100 for the hour, 100 for anal sex, and 100 for BBBJ / CIM (with 50 being contingent on whether or not I actually sperm in her mouth).

[QUOTE=Turgid;2623209]A girl would have to be absolutely spectacular for me to pay her EUR300 for an hour. The hottest FKK girl I ever went to the zimmer with was in Oase many years ago and I paid EUR50 for half hour. If I were to meet her today and she looks the same as she did back then I would most likely agree to EUR300 per hour.[/QUOTE]Globe rate is 260 €/60 for mostly average looks coming from Germany now and they lost freshness between, often gaining silicon. On the other hand, can still find in Germany or 6 sens NL some fresh beauties and great GFE for me, for 100/60, now 110/60 at 6. I only pay 100/30 or 150/60 for wow sexy looks and great for me in bed, only 2 girls in Germany on this year. Sharks and Samya are still good for fresh natural beauties if You like Romanians. Wellcum. At have also fresh looks but most often low level in bed for me, when they are used to Italians. Sharks is better for me than before covid, Samya on same level, 6 sens is also better for me than before covid, Globe really fell since 2019 , already falling before covid. When I drive at night after my climbings or clubs, but I started too late my Summer tour only on 8 August after many problems, so I didn t have enough time on days on this Summer, wishing to finish my Summer tour on next week end, wishing for no snow yet and not too cold in Alp Huez, top of Galibier 2645 and Ventoux above chalets. If I succeed for this final, I would have made a really great Summer from how I was until beginning of July and crash on 14, and just coming back from final, as soon getting car repaired, so long and complicated since 14 July, then will put skis and shoes in car for my best Christmas present.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2623209]A girl would have to be absolutely spectacular for me to pay her EUR300 for an hour. The hottest FKK girl I ever went to the zimmer with was in Oase many years ago and I paid EUR50 for half hour. If I were to meet her today and she looks the same as she did back then I would most likely agree to EUR300 per hour.[/QUOTE]150 E is already pushing it. If it goes to 200 E then the cost benefit is out of whack; there is *zero* chance that I will pay 300 E for any FKK session or will even head to DE if I expect to pay that much. At an exchange rate of 1.2, 150 E is $180. I just described my session yesterday with a college girl and what I gave her. Yes, it requires a commitment of $300 but I get to spend much more than an hour (which in FKK parlance is more like 50 minutes, 55 at most, with truly sharky girls could even be 45 minutes); in fact, with this one yesterday it was 2 hours of sex alone. Depends on what the girl is willing to do, but there are never ever any extras either.

The one benefit that FKKs still offer is the situation of 100 naked chicks prowling and demanding sex, and the sheer ambience of debauchery. Yes, it has some value. I don't know how to quantify it.

When I visit FKKs for a few days and consume north of 15 or 20 sessions in 4 to 6 days (I don't have the luxury of staying put in DE for more than a week of sex), there is an element of overgorging. That happens at lower price points. To some extent it is like being in a Las Vegas all you can eat buffet; I know I don't need to eat, I am already full, but it is tasty and there is no incremental cost and I keep eating. On the 4th or 5th day, I don't get to cum in all the sessions; if the girl tugs at my dick it starts hurting as opposed to being pleasurable; all the pussies and asses seem to blend into one single continuum of pussyassdom. It is the law of diminishing utility. But if I have to pay 150 E for a session, those frivolous sessions go out the window. Certainly I have partaken several 50 E sessions with a first time girl in the clubs in the past, more of them towards the end of the trips. It is like "let me sample this pussy, just a 50 E throwaway price". I am not sure if I will consume such sessions at 150 E. And if I am doing just 10 or 15 sessions in 5 days, I will question if making such a long journey is worth it. As such, there are several occupational hazards in my personal situation, the number of stories I need to come up with, etc.

For now, this is moot. Until business travel and conferences etc resume, I am sort of tethered to my home city. Thank god for seeking in the meanwhile. The spigot has begun gushing off late on that side. Since the federal benefits got trimmed in September, the number of girls offering poontang for even 200 to 250 has been significantly on the rise. That is my experience in my city. And on any day, sex with a native, English speaking girl is more real and satisfying to me. So pretty happy about this setup for now.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2623228]Paying 300 for an hour is routine for me, but I am selective. I'm lucky if I see even 2 or 3 I want in an entire afternoon to late evening at a club. A typical price breakdown would be 100 for the hour, 100 for anal sex, and 100 for BBBJ / CIM (with 50 being contingent on whether or not I actually sperm in her mouth).[/QUOTE]In NRW, 175/60 with anal and CIM. In Hessen 250/60. As a poor French sleeping with my cheap bicycle climbing most difficult highest ranked and cheap skis running most extreme spots, in my cheap, nearly 600 000 kms, car even in cold Winter, every service working on it being amazed how still work engine and turbo with more power than original, I only pay for time with girls, then I play with my talent to try to get the best from what I enjoy. 100/60 is still my standard. More expensive are not normal exceptions in my mind. Had many very good 100/60 with fresh natural beauties on this Summer.

The FKK advantage isn't that you have 100 naked girls wandering to be ogled. Albeit as pleasant as that is.

It's that those 100 girls are (excuse the expression) for sale! I'm there to buy, and the product is right there ready for my inspection. And it just begins with checking out her body and face. We get to inspect *behavior* as well.

Having to choose based on GIFs, ads, and emails is so inferior I'm surprised this isn't mentioned more often.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2623326]The FKK advantage isn't that you have 100 naked girls wandering to be ogled. Albeit as pleasant as that is.

It's that those 100 girls are (excuse the expression) for sale! I'm there to buy, and the product is right there ready for my inspection. And it just begins with checking out her body and face. We get to inspect *behavior* as well.

Having to choose based on GIFs, ads, and emails is so inferior I'm surprised this isn't mentioned more often.[/QUOTE]"Having to choose based on GIFs, ads, and emails is so inferior I'm surprised this isn't mentioned more often" - your imagination at work here?

"We get to inspect *behavior* as well. " - yes, I am sure you can read so much from "baby, what you make".

Last weekend I had two days back at Sharks for the first time in almost three years and have to say and despite the increased pricing structure, I hugely enjoyed myself. Not always but predominantly paying more certainly encouraged the girl to put in a proper shift especially following our pre-bedroom conversation regarding my expectations.

I'm London based and with the exception of a small club in Baden Baden all of my previous trips to FKK land have been in the Frankfurt area which I know well, although Sharks is the clear leader in my opinion.

Nonetheless, I'm very keen to spread my wings and explore more establishments in Germany especially those recommended by some of you guys. Clearly it would be hard to imagine there are other places in the country which could compete with Sharks for quality / quantity of girls, facilities (I like the sauna and steam room) jacuzzi, variation of rooms, bar area, outdoor poolside and of course the very reasonable quality of food.

Is there somewhere else I should be visiting either winter or summer?

P.S Im cool paying 100.00 for a proper 30 minute session but refuse to agree more.

[QUOTE=Pentire;2623519]Last weekend I had two days back at Sharks for the first time in almost three years and have to say and despite the increased pricing structure, I hugely enjoyed myself. Not always but predominantly paying more certainly encouraged the girl to put in a proper shift especially following our pre-bedroom conversation regarding my expectations.

I'm London based and with the exception of a small club in Baden Baden all of my previous trips to FKK land have been in the Frankfurt area which I know well, although Sharks is the clear leader in my opinion.

Nonetheless, I'm very keen to spread my wings and explore more establishments in Germany especially those recommended by some of you guys. Clearly it would be hard to imagine there are other places in the country which could compete with Sharks for quality / quantity of girls, facilities (I like the sauna and steam room) jacuzzi, variation of rooms, bar area, outdoor poolside and of course the very reasonable quality of food.

Is there somewhere else I should be visiting either winter or summer?

P.S Im cool paying 100.00 for a proper 30 minute session but refuse to agree more.[/QUOTE]When I visited Globe twice and also looking at tagesplan, Wellcum on 3 times, always on week ends to see best castings, Sharks is the highest level on this Summer and July casting was the best at Sharks. Had 10 rooms with one and 5 with another one at Sharks, all for 1 hour, since July. Also few fresh beauties at Samya and when I left most often full heavy balls before covid, had 3 good visits at 6 sens NL where few attractive girls and Globe GFE level for sex, now for 110/60 or 60/30 , but never had 30 mn rooms there because my 4 rooms were too good to rush, even a bit over 1 hour for 100 and girls were very honest. Few Germans like lovely Sofi ex Globe and History. When I don t like, I tell. When I like I also tell. Not same level than Sharks for looks, but higher level for sex on average than at Sharks. Really good surprise. Better to visit clubs on best casting days. My problem since September when I preferred to achieve my Summer tour. Wish to finish on next week end and no snow yet.

BTW, I used the 1.2 exchange rate loosely. It is already 1.16 level. With economic activity in the US as usual being better than that in EU, and w / Fed officials suggesting rates may begin rising off zero levels in mid-2022 while ECB seems scared stiff about falling inflation even now, we could well see Euro heading back down to 1.1 level. I guess that will soften the blow from these FKK putas demanding 150 an hour or 100 E for 30 min (which in practice will be 25 minutes).

We shall see.

Even GBP is holding up better despite having the BojoSunak clown show up top.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2623345]"Having to choose based on GIFs, ads, and emails is so inferior I'm surprised this isn't mentioned more often" - your imagination at work here?

"We get to inspect *behavior* as well. " - yes, I am sure you can read so much from "baby, what you make".[/QUOTE]If you can't glean more sexually predictive information from having a conversation with a real live nude woman than from an email. . .

I can. Lucky me. Unlucky you.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2623326]The FKK advantage isn't that you have 100 naked girls wandering to be ogled. Albeit as pleasant as that is.

It's that those 100 girls are (excuse the expression) for sale! I'm there to buy, and the product is right there ready for my inspection. And it just begins with checking out her body and face. We get to inspect *behavior* as well.

Having to choose based on GIFs, ads, and emails is so inferior I'm surprised this isn't mentioned more often.[/QUOTE]This is so true as there is just nothing like it and just blows away Seeking or any other experience I've had around the world. They have a product I want and its on full display and no way to hide anything and the lead up to which one you decide to take is part of the thrill and there is nothing like just coming out of the room and walking back into that atmosphere of 100 naked bodies and its just a matter of time before you can't wait to go back in.

I wanted to ask is Sharks the place to be right now as I want that 100 girls exp and was going a lot until covid and now haven't been back over but was thinking about going this weekend is it worth the 8 hour flight right now or should I wait till January.

Does anybody ask for tantric sex?

[QUOTE=Pentire;2623519]Last weekend I had two days back at Sharks for the first time in almost three years and have to say and despite the increased pricing structure, I hugely enjoyed myself. Not always but predominantly paying more certainly encouraged the girl to put in a proper shift especially following our pre-bedroom conversation regarding my expectations.

I'm London based and with the exception of a small club in Baden Baden all of my previous trips to FKK land have been in the Frankfurt area which I know well, although Sharks is the clear leader in my opinion.

Nonetheless, I'm very keen to spread my wings and explore more establishments in Germany especially those recommended by some of you guys. Clearly it would be hard to imagine there are other places in the country which could compete with Sharks for quality / quantity of girls, facilities (I like the sauna and steam room) jacuzzi, variation of rooms, bar area, outdoor poolside and of course the very reasonable quality of food.

Is there somewhere else I should be visiting either winter or summer?

P.S Im cool paying 100.00 for a proper 30 minute session but refuse to agree more.[/QUOTE]Sharks is unique. It's like shopping on Amazon. You can get just about anything you want and with a little bit of scrutiny, you can assure you can get some reasonable quality goods. There is no competitor that will give you the pros versus cons profile that Sharks provides. That being said, there are many other options where you can find quality goods, just not all in one place. If you start exploring smaller clubs in NRW or even Austria and Switzerland, you may find more variety in types of clubs.

Assuming you are American and get these references, let's say Samya in Cologne, it has a large line up, acceptable quality, products are reasonably priced, just a smaller selection than Amazon. Perhaps akin to shopping at Walmart.

Or perhaps you want more reliable quality but at a slightly higher price point and a bit smaller selection. Welcum in Villach, Austria has good quality, nice amenities, and good food. It's like shopping at Target. The price point situation is however changing and Welcum may indeed be cheaper here than Sharks if the situation persists.

Want to pay even more, get a very reliable product, nice amenities, but perhaps half the selection and not really any better quality? Try Swiss clubs, kinda like going to a Department store like Macy's.

Then there are clubs like Oceans. Products look good, maybe you'll make a good purchase. But also just as likely that you get scammed. Think buying on eBay.

Now there are other smaller venues littered all over Western Germany that are cheap but there is always the possibility of finding a gem for a good deal. Acapulco Gold, Prime, Penelope are all budget clubs that have all provided regular bargain talent for me in the past. Think shopping at T. J. Max, Big Lots, or Ross.

You can try your luck at the dirtiest of the dirty at Dietzenbach or RTC clubs, but that's like shopping at GoodWill or the Salvation Army.

In the end, in Germany, Sharks is the quantity plus quality plus amenities king at the moment. I'm sure you can find 75% of the Sharks experience at clubs like Goldentime Vienna or Linz, perhaps even on a lucky day at Oase.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2624098]In the end, in Germany, Sharks is the quantity plus quality plus amenities king at the moment. I'm sure you can find 75% of the Sharks experience at clubs like Goldentime Vienna or Linz, perhaps even on a lucky day at Oase.[/QUOTE]Oase has [B]always[/B] worked for me lineup-wise, whereas Sharks never has. It's just one of those things I guess. There's nothing that I find to be intrinsically wrong with Sharks. I've just never clicked 100% with the place. Whereas I have always been satisfied with Oase, except for the food from way back when, but they have long since successfully addressed that major flaw to my satisfaction. At least pre-pandemic anyway. And the other place that's worked for me without fail? Palace! Yes, that's right! I've said it before, and I say it now again. Palace works for me and my bro Mr. Ho! Banzai! Banzai! [B]Anal Banzai![/B]. LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2624122]Oase has [B]always[/B] worked for me lineup-wise, whereas Sharks never has. It's just one of those things I guess. There's nothing that I find to be intrinsically wrong with Sharks. I've just never clicked 100% with the place. Whereas I have always been satisfied with Oase, except for the food from way back when, but they have long since successfully addressed that major flaw to my satisfaction. At least pre-pandemic anyway. And the other place that's worked for me without fail? Palace! Yes, that's right! I've said it before, and I say it now again. Palace works for me and my bro Mr. Ho! Banzai! Banzai! [B]Anal Banzai![/B]. LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]I am not an ass guy but I have been offered (and occasionally partaken) anal in most of the clubs. Palace has for a long time had a MILF porn feel when it came to the ladies and the service sucked in general even relative to rapidly declining standards of other clubs. I do like the cozy feel of Oase if the lineup is good, which was generally the case.

In most of these clubs, although there are 100+ girls, the must-do's are perhaps 15-20, the next 20-30 are ones I may do if I hadn't had sex in a long time or if it was free, the bottom 30+ are ones I would not do if they paid me.

Unfortunately, the # must-do's declined over time, and the bottom of the pyramid bulged up.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2624098]Assuming you are American and get these references, let's say Samya in Cologne, it has a large line up, acceptable quality, products are reasonably priced, just a smaller selection than Amazon. Perhaps akin to shopping at Walmart.[/QUOTE]Given the quantity and overall optics, Sharks should be the safest recommendation for most tourist mongers.

Past few posters have emphasized the spectacle of "100 naked bodies", so that rules out Samya and many smaller partially-clothed NRW clubs.

If more is known about the monger, then it is possible to tailor the recommendation: Oase for outdoor. Palace for less Romanian-dominant LU. Samya for loud music, liquor-flowing party atmosphere.

Sharks open floor plan makes it easier to monitor behavior (money locker interactions, how satisfied the customer looks, how in-demand the WG is).

[QUOTE=TheCane;2624122]Oase has [B]always[/B] worked for me lineup-wise, whereas Sharks never has. It's just one of those things I guess. There's nothing that I find to be intrinsically wrong with Sharks. I've just never clicked 100% with the place. Whereas I have always been satisfied with Oase, except for the food from way back when, but they have long since successfully addressed that major flaw to my satisfaction. At least pre-pandemic anyway. And the other place that's worked for me without fail? Palace! Yes, that's right! I've said it before, and I say it now again. Palace works for me and my bro Mr. Ho! Banzai! Banzai! [B]Anal Banzai![/B]. LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]Oase has also given me some of my best A+ rooms with some of the best stunners but also some of the worst rooms also. Sharks as of late has not given the top tier rooms but has consistently given me be+ to A- rooms over the years. Problem at the moment is that Oase hasn't seemed to have recovered from closure. I'm rooting for them (more likely the more Sharks' upsell gets out of hand).

I agree that Palace has provided some great rooms with stunner females too. The upsellers are more obvious there.

But again, you're an extras guy. Might explain why your experiences have been mostly positive at Oase and Palace.

[QUOTE=EuroSteps;2623917]This is so true as there is just nothing like it and just blows away Seeking or any other experience I've had around the world. They have a product I want and its on full display and no way to hide anything and the lead up to which one you decide to take is part of the thrill and there is nothing like just coming out of the room and walking back into that atmosphere of 100 naked bodies and its just a matter of time before you can't wait to go back in.

I wanted to ask is Sharks the place to be right now as I want that 100 girls exp and was going a lot until covid and now haven't been back over but was thinking about going this weekend is it worth the 8 hour flight right now or should I wait till January.[/QUOTE]Yeah, same. Honestly I never enjoy non-brothel mongering options all that much. Yes, fucking is the main event but the presentation and vibes matter a lot to me. With the exception of a 2019 holiday in Vietnam / Japan, it's been a decade since I've visited an incall provider, over 10 since visiting a massage parlor, and have never done the Sugar Babes thing. Even Amsterdam windows were more appealing to me. At least in Amsterdam RLD, you can window shop and negotiate good service upfront to avoid the bait and switch upsell scams.

Haven't been in a couple if month but even back then 100 girls were present at Sharks.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2624122]Oase has [B]always[/B] worked for me lineup-wise, whereas Sharks never has. It's just one of those things I guess. There's nothing that I find to be intrinsically wrong with Sharks. I've just never clicked 100% with the place. Whereas I have always been satisfied with Oase, except for the food from way back when, but they have long since successfully addressed that major flaw to my satisfaction. At least pre-pandemic anyway. And the other place that's worked for me without fail? Palace! Yes, that's right! I've said it before, and I say it now again. Palace works for me and my bro Mr. Ho! Banzai! Banzai! [B]Anal Banzai![/B]. LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]Oase has worked for me as I did get my ass licked, but another session I had was OK and not good enough, but she was a stunner, so my appreciation was limited then, but now that I looked back, they had good line up, so as I mentioned before, I will put in Oase during my Hessen visit once again.

However, the clubs that always worked for me are upsell clubs like palace and Artemis, they always have one stunner of stunner for me for sure and I thought about why that is, it is because they are upsell clubs, stunner girls are not stupid, so they go where they get the paid most without not too many stingy mongers who want all for 50 euro, hence Artemis and palace are the near the city center, tourist hub, up sell clubs.

Now, they are not bad at all, it is only 50 euro up sell per hour making it 150 euro per hour all inclusive, and for anal lover like you, it maybe more, but hey, you are paying for the memories that is going to last forever at least for 10000 years, therefore, Banzai LOL!

As for sharks it never really worked for me either, I managed to find a stunner and I must say there was no upsell in sharks for me, but somehow, the club did not click with me for lineup, it is not stunner enough for me and not enough stunners and unlike Oase, I gave quite many tries to sharks like almost 10 visits till I decided to just focus on palace and nrw during my Hessen visit. Nrw did not really worked for me either, young line up overall, but very few stunners, so I stick to my upsell or more expensive clubs like palace, Artemis and Globe and I may add Oase after I give another try LOL!

Would you say Oase is night shift club? When I went the lineup was already solid at 3 pm and I left around 4 pm to go to palace, so I did not know Oase at night, is it like Artemis which at 7 pm and 8 pm many stunner girls join the night shift? If Oase is like this then I missed out on night shift that is main shift at Oase? Or is Oase like globe? Where all or most girls are there at 3 pm or 4 pm the latest.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2624178]Given the quantity and overall optics, Sharks should be the safest recommendation for most tourist mongers.

Past few posters have emphasized the spectacle of "100 naked bodies", so that rules out Samya and many smaller partially-clothed NRW clubs.

If more is known about the monger, then it is possible to tailor the recommendation: Oase for outdoor. Palace for less Romanian-dominant LU. Samya for loud music, liquor-flowing party atmosphere.

Sharks open floor plan makes it easier to monitor behavior (money locker interactions, how satisfied the customer looks, how in-demand the WG is).[/QUOTE]Well, I assume that most people are not all that rigid about 100% nude. For mongers (I believe), the near naked bodies in NRW is good enough. I know I don't even think about full nude or partially nude myself. I can't recall if Vienna is full nude. In fact, is Hessen the only Full nude region? I recall Colosseum in Bavaria being full nude but that's the only club I've visited in that region.

But yeah, Sharks is (was) the most beginner friendly. Even original GT I thought was good for easy mongering too. I've taken two rookies to FKKs and they both loved Sharks and GT over the other clubs we tried. Samya's party vibe is too intense for first timers after a certain age. I'll cite the 40 year old, introverted American visiting Samya for the first time and it was too much for him. He couldn't relax, drank too much, and became a liability. But if I was to take a 28 year old colleague who's not overly introverted, Samya would be my 2nd choice considering line ups at this moment. No way I would recommend Oase or Palace at the moment considering the low numbers.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2624184]Oase has also given me some of my best A+ rooms with some of the best stunners but also some of the worst rooms also. Sharks as of late has not given the top tier rooms but has consistently given me be+ to A- rooms over the years. Problem at the moment is that Oase hasn't seemed to have recovered from closure. I'm rooting for them (more likely the more Sharks' upsell gets out of hand).

I agree that Palace has provided some great rooms with stunner females too. The upsellers are more obvious there.

But again, you're an extras guy. Might explain why your experiences have been mostly positive at Oase and Palace.[/QUOTE]I will be back at Oase, but when I went it was upsell club indeed, but line up is good when I came to think back at it.

I also liked the down stairs restaurant area because you can see girls face clearly under good light when they come out from their changing room, this is important because upstairs main bar areas lighting is too dark to see face of the girls properly and hey you do not want to be surprised in room in negative way once you enter the room right LOL!

[QUOTE=EuroSteps;2623917]This is so true as there is just nothing like it and just blows away Seeking or any other experience I've had around the world. They have a product I want and its on full display and no way to hide anything and the lead up to which one you decide to take is part of the thrill and there is nothing like just coming out of the room and walking back into that atmosphere of 100 naked bodies and its just a matter of time before you can't wait to go back in.

I wanted to ask is Sharks the place to be right now as I want that 100 girls exp and was going a lot until covid and now haven't been back over but was thinking about going this weekend is it worth the 8 hour flight right now or should I wait till January.[/QUOTE]From mid December to end of January is not best FKK land time in Germany. Better in Switzerland. Yes, around 100 almost naked girls at Sharks on Friday and Saturday now. Since July, I almost go with same 2 when others are not as attractive. Sharks is better for me on this Summer than before covid.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2624098] . . .
You can try your luck at the dirtiest of the dirty at Dietzenbach or RTC clubs, but that's like shopping at GoodWill or the Salvation Army . . . [/QUOTE]That's not a fair comparison. I'm pretty sure Goodwill and the Salvation Army require you to wear a condom for sex.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2624122]Oase has [B]always[/B] worked for me lineup-wise, whereas Sharks never has. It's just one of those things I guess. There's nothing that I find to be intrinsically wrong with Sharks. I've just never clicked 100% with the place. Whereas I have always been satisfied with Oase, except for the food from way back when, but they have long since successfully addressed that major flaw to my satisfaction. At least pre-pandemic anyway. And the other place that's worked for me without fail? Palace! Yes, that's right! I've said it before, and I say it now again. Palace works for me and my bro Mr. Ho! Banzai! Banzai! [B]Anal Banzai![/B]. LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]One more, I liked the food at Oase comparison to other clubs, it is because at Oase when I went, they just have like 3 different kind of pastas and you cannot go that too wrong with pasta, of course not to compared to the restaurants, but worst food for me in FKK are Artemis and sharks, I hate that Chinese thing at sharks! It is horrible! Ocean has quite ok food for FKK, it is a la carte and you are only allowed to have one dinner for your entry fee though!

I would prefer if FKK prepare for us some delivery food menu like pizza etc from outside, I will pay extra to order food from outside you know better pizza than Oase, Chinese food or whatever!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2624178]Given the quantity and overall optics, Sharks should be the safest recommendation for most tourist mongers.

Past few posters have emphasized the spectacle of "100 naked bodies", so that rules out Samya and many smaller partially-clothed NRW clubs.

If more is known about the monger, then it is possible to tailor the recommendation: Oase for outdoor. Palace for less Romanian-dominant LU. Samya for loud music, liquor-flowing party atmosphere.

Sharks open floor plan makes it easier to monitor behavior (money locker interactions, how satisfied the customer looks, how in-demand the WG is).[/QUOTE]Less girls but when you are a Romanian fresh natural beauties lover, then Samya can compete with Sharks for looks, when Oase really fell not only for number but missing beauties. Amira was wow super sexy on my last visit and Cameron ex Switzerland for sweet fresh model type. Few other pretty.

[QUOTE=EuroSteps;2623917]I wanted to ask is Sharks the place to be right now as I want that 100 girls exp and was going a lot until covid and now haven't been back over but was thinking about going this weekend is it worth the 8 hour flight right now or should I wait till January.[/QUOTE]Sharks really seems the place to be right now and, if you are vaccinated, I would just get on that plane to FKKland.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2624231]Would you say Oase is night shift club? When I went the lineup was already solid at 3 pm and I left around 4 pm to go to palace, so I did not know Oase at night, is it like Artemis which at 7 pm and 8 pm many stunner girls join the night shift? If Oase is like this then I missed out on night shift that is main shift at Oase? Or is Oase like globe? Where all or most girls are there at 3 pm or 4 pm the latest.[/QUOTE]Mr. Ho, I have answered this question for you several times before, and yet you keep asking it. Over and over. To see the best of Oase, you have to be there into the evening hours. The night shift is definitely the best shift at Oase. I find that to be true for most any of the FKKs that I attend. Stop asking the same questions over and over and get out there and explore! It's a big FKK world out there in "Germongery" beyond Palace, Artemis, and the NRW.

Visiting Frankfurt next week. Anyone there around that time?

Convinced now Mr. Ho (and all other holdouts)? Get a free "jab" for a jab LOLOLOL!

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/11/09/brothel-offers-vaccinations-and-free-sexual-session-in-bold-incentive-program/amp/[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2624568]Convinced now Mr. Ho (and all other holdouts)? Get a free "jab" for a jab LOLOLOL!

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/11/09/brothel-offers-vaccinations-and-free-sexual-session-in-bold-incentive-program/amp/[/URL][/QUOTE]No because the tute on the video link you sent me was horrible LOL! It had opposite affect of the ad with that ugly tute, now it is more like hell no for me LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2624493]Mr. Ho, I have answered this question for you several times before, and yet you keep asking it. Over and over. To see the best of Oase, you have to be there into the evening hours. The night shift is definitely the best shift at Oase. I find that to be true for most any of the FKKs that I attend. Stop asking the same questions over and over and get out there and explore! It's a big FKK world out there in "Germongery" beyond Palace, Artemis, and the NRW.[/QUOTE]Now I cannot go LOL! For NRW, namely GT it is day shift club, so as globe, and little bit LR, but now with GT and LR with new ownership rumor, it may change their shifting culture and even line up, for better I hope.

I would still stick to palace, Artemis and globe, but I may throw in Oase with palace. Nrw is not for me before, now maybe with new owners. As for others only Hamburg is missing out for me. Rest I have done, or not worth for me to go due to their limited line up or messed up location.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2624568]Convinced now Mr. Ho (and all other holdouts)? Get a free "jab" for a jab LOLOLOL!

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/11/09/brothel-offers-vaccinations-and-free-sexual-session-in-bold-incentive-program/amp/[/URL][/QUOTE]I am pleasantly surprised how NY Post presented the facts without prejudice towards Fun Palast and without feministic shit. Good reporting Ben Cost!

[URL]https://nypost.com/author/ben-cost/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RockyV;2624394]Sharks really seems the place to be right now and, if you are vaccinated, I would just get on that plane to FKKland.[/QUOTE]Is the Vax required to get in all the FKK, or are there options? How does that work I'm figuring this has probably been talked about on here and if so I apologize but I'm new on here.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2624613]I am pleasantly surprised how NY Post presented the facts without prejudice towards Fun Palast and without feministic shit. Good reporting Ben Cost!

[URL]https://nypost.com/author/ben-cost/[/URL][/QUOTE]Here on the local news they were joking about it saying that after you get your COVID shot maybe you will need a different kind of shot after you leave. Blah, blah, blah! And Mr. Ho did you read the article? You get to fuck [B]the tute of your choosing[/B]. So more excuses from you. But, I guess if the line-up is weak and they are all ugly. LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=EuroSteps;2624657]Is the Vax required to get in all the FKK, or are there options? How does that work I'm figuring this has probably been talked about on here and if so I apologize but I'm new on here.[/QUOTE]When cases are exploding in Germany with some big cities hospitals which are already full of covid, delaying other operations, vaccine or now PCR, no more fast antigen, for brothels and even only 2 G in some locations. Still no vaccine nor test asked at BITICI Cleo Bern. Ch with happy hour 99 CHF for entry before 1 pm and 30 mn sex. Less expensive than Germany and some girls who are more fresh natural than at now porn Globe.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2624600]No because the tute on the video link you sent me was horrible LOL! It had opposite affect of the ad with that ugly tute, now it is more like hell no for me LOL![/QUOTE]Sharks could have the same advertisement that goes "Come to Sharks get vaccinated and we'll allow you free sex with a prostitute". Then after the bloke gets jabbed they offer him Sylvana, LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2624873]Sharks could have the same advertisement that goes "Come to Sharks get vaccinated and we'll allow you free sex with a prostitute". Then after the bloke gets jabbed they offer him Sylvana, LOL.[/QUOTE]Then they failed to know my street credit as I am known for Mr Ho, Dr Ho, AKA 50 Euro LOL! I can pay my 50 Euro as I am 50 Euro, 50 cent got nothing on me LOL!

I will vaccinate if the situation force me, but now in Tokyo it is under 30 infections per day which is amazing for big city and it never shoot up except the time of Olympic which shoot up to 5000 new infections per day for like 3 weeks, but other time was like around 300 new infections per day, so it was pretty much in control here and now under 30 for few weeks, so I do not have forced reasons to vaccinate. I do stay away from people and some places though, but I live pretty normal, I go and eat ramen and I do wear mask when I am inside super market etc.

I just do not want to take medicine if it is not required and I do not see my above situation as required situations and we got plenty of vaccines and needle and syringe here, so if I need a shot it is matter of few days of request and I can get them with 4 different choices at the moment, I would go for Pfizer one as far as I can tell via bullshit media LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2624707]Here on the local news they were joking about it saying that after you get your COVID shot maybe you will need a different kind of shot after you leave. Blah, blah, blah! And Mr. Ho did you read the article? You get to fuck [B]the tute of your choosing[/B]. So more excuses from you. But, I guess if the line-up is weak and they are all ugly. LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]Exactly, I prefer to go my own way and pay 50 Euro myself, I am more delta force type of guy and not a ranger if I metaphor it, I follow my penis radar and penis instinct with 50 Euros on my hand LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2624707]Here on the local news they were joking about it saying that after you get your COVID shot maybe you will need a different kind of shot after you leave. Blah, blah, blah! And Mr. Ho did you read the article? You get to fuck [B]the tute of your choosing[/B]. So more excuses from you. But, I guess if the line-up is weak and they are all ugly. LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]Man, your previous worry about Germany is starting to worry me a little. Before was just numbers but now increasing severity is concerning.

Any of you guys in FKK land right now see any Romanian looking like this in an FKK? If so, please let me know and I will brave the pandemic to make my way there.

I was checking on Facebook Marketplace in Frankfurt and found a cheap Opel for about 400 euros.

So maybe if 10 hobbyists could pitch in 40 euros each and then just use the Opel instead of a rental car and when finished park at the Frankfurt Sheratin airport hotel parking lot and leave the keys hidden somewhere duct taped to the underside of the car.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2625294]Any of you guys in FKK land right now see any Romanian looking like this in an FKK? If so, please let me know and I will brave the pandemic to make my way there.[/QUOTE]Did you see her without make up and hair care. I would not have paid for some famous fashion supermodel just waking up.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2625089]Man, your previous worry about Germany is starting to worry me a little. Before was just numbers but now increasing severity is concerning.[/QUOTE]The Cane is the wise man who just also tend to like to put his penis into anal of beautiful girls LOL! We all have our moment of resurrection to recharge, so we can be wise LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2625294]Any of you guys in FKK land right now see any Romanian looking like this in an FKK? If so, please let me know and I will brave the pandemic to make my way there.[/QUOTE]This level or even higher Romanian stunners are easily found in FKK, I always seen Romanian stunners in FKK each time I go, thanks to crazy amount of supply system of some kind from Romania to FKK land, but it is German stunners and other race stunners that are in scarce after around mid 2010's! However, someday I get lucky and get my ass licked by German young stunner girls among other race stunners, but Romanian stunner anal lickers for me is quite easily found and I hope the Romanian supply system will never fade away, but considering the economical situation in Romania and how they run their country, I think we will be ok in our life time to keep on fucking Romanian stunner girls LOL!

Is FKK History in Basel like Globe? Are girls as pretty as globe? Are the girls tamed as Globe to give top service? Is it day shift club like globe with full line up ready at 3 pm already? How are the pricing in FKK History?

It is owned by same owner as Globe right?

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2625089]Man, your previous worry about Germany is starting to worry me a little. Before was just numbers but now increasing severity is concerning.[/QUOTE]The whole situation really, really sucks man. I don't think it will be safe to plan an overseas trip to Germany at least until next summer. At least if you're coming from the States (or Japan) intent on mongering. I'm debating Germany or Brazil in 2022. I just don't know yet. This sucks!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2625294]Any of you guys in FKK land right now see any Romanian looking like this in an FKK? If so, please let me know and I will brave the pandemic to make my way there.[/QUOTE]Looks photoshopped. The colors are popping too much. Look at the hair and the eyes for example.

Aside from that, not my type unfortunately. But she doesn't look very Romanian either. So probably low chances.

Time for a royal sex vacation LOLOLOL!

[URL]https://apple.news/AFnzeEHd5SFyWpP8XGwyiXg[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2625399]Did you see her without make up and hair care. I would not have paid for some famous fashion supermodel just waking up.[/QUOTE]Without makeup or hair care I'd choose her without hesitation for FS, BJ, DATY and what not. I may even pay her EUR300 per hour or more depending on how she looks in the flesh.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2625563]The whole situation really, really sucks man. I don't think it will be safe to plan an overseas trip to Germany at least until next summer. At least if you're coming from the States (or Japan) intent on mongering. I'm debating Germany or Brazil in 2022. I just don't know yet. This sucks![/QUOTE]I imagine you are right. Germany took the US off the list of High Risk areas yesterday effective Sunday at midnight. That is a small plus at the moment.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2625691]Without makeup or hair care I'd choose her without hesitation for FS, BJ, DATY and what not. I may even pay her EUR300 per hour or more depending on how she looks in the flesh.[/QUOTE]That looks like Antonia Iacobescu. EUR 300 might not be enough for her. Of course she has makeup and the pic is photoshopped, but I wonder what kind of guy doesn't think that she is hot.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2625563]The whole situation really, really sucks man. I don't think it will be safe to plan an overseas trip to Germany at least until next summer. At least if you're coming from the States (or Japan) intent on mongering. I'm debating Germany or Brazil in 2022. I just don't know yet. This sucks![/QUOTE]I even have the booster now. I am seeing sugarbabes. Yes, I wear a mask around and taking the usual precautions I have been for 18+ months, but the minute I had sex with a sugarbabe with deep kissing and all that, pretty much everything else is moot, all my other precautions are just sham. Less than half of these early 20's sugarbabes are vaccinated, if even that, from my talks. Matter of fact, I even stopped asking them. When I asked a few, the answer was "LOL no". I don't know why the LOL was included, was it an absurd question, was the answer supposed to be obvious, or something else? Anyway, my point is, from a personal risk (and risking my family), I am solely dependent on my god given immunity, the vaccines, and the hospitals with some recently advanced pills through the approvals that claim to cut down death rates by 80% or better. As for traveling to DE, it comes down to a few things: (a) availability of easily believable excuses to travel, which in the absence of business travel, are nearly non-existent. Given that many white collar businesses did not even resume RTO (return to office), even on a modest scale, business travel as in pre pandemic times appears far far away, if ever it comes back at that level. From what I am seeing, there is a reassessment of many types of events such as conferences, trade shows, other which may be severely scaled down in the future even when Covid will be behind us (b) travel hassle (such as checks, quarantines, canceled flights w / o prior notices, BS tests everywhere, etc). I can put up with the latter if the experience promises to be good enough but (a) is an impossibility for me personally.

So, all in all, I don't see my fuck club odysseys resuming at the past pace for a while. I am thankful for the existence of locally available sugarbabes and that side of the equation has rebounded with gusto.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2625716]I imagine you are right. Germany took the US off the list of High Risk areas yesterday effective Sunday at midnight. That is a small plus at the moment.[/QUOTE]So that means we can get in Germany without a vaccine?

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2625789]So that means we can get in Germany without a vaccine?[/QUOTE]At least PCR less than 48 hours, same for Hessen clubs and some with only 2 G.

That girl is nice but not among the hottest on sugarbabe sites. Here is a quick one. This girl was in my town recently on a visit; she was as she looks in the pics, a good time was had by both for $300 (hers probably came more from the moola, but I am happy with the fake sounds). And even this one is absolutely not in the top 20% - if I am willing to pay 500 and up, sky is the limit as far as quality goes.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2625789]So that means we can get in Germany without a vaccine?[/QUOTE]I read something that said that. It said the unvaccinated are required to be tested.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2625739]I am thankful for the existence of locally available sugar babes and that side of the equation has rebounded with gusto.[/QUOTE]I have been tempted to try to sugar babies, but haven't gone there yet. Maybe I should just sign up so that I can browse and view the available talent. Couldn't hurt. Right?

I was wondering if anyone knows how much the 30 minutes outcall fee is for this I can't find it anywhere on their site:

[URL]https://www.lollipoppgirls.de/[/URL]

I am doing price calculation it is best to wait until Thursday to rent a car from Thursday then return on Sunday but if one arrives prior to Thursday the best thing is to sit around at a cheap hotel and get an outcall.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2625563]The whole situation really, really sucks man. I don't think it will be safe to plan an overseas trip to Germany at least until next summer. At least if you're coming from the States (or Japan) intent on mongering. I'm debating Germany or Brazil in 2022. I just don't know yet. This sucks![/QUOTE]We can enter both US and Japan to most EU nations just with PCR test, well I can, but it is too risky to plan as Europe or else where can just change the rule in the matter of few days and then there is nothing we can do about it against federal power or we can declare ourselves as business travelers as mongering is kind of business transaction of money and sexual service LOL!

Does anyone know if Aurelia, previously working in FKK Sharks and Club Globe, is still in the game? Would love to see her again.

[QUOTE=Mojoman74;2625871]Does anyone know if Aurelia, previously working in FKK Sharks and Club Globe, is still in the game? Would love to see her again.[/QUOTE]Not anymore at Globe since covid.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2625739]I even have the booster now. I am seeing sugarbabes. Yes, I wear a mask around and taking the usual precautions I have been for 18+ months, but the minute I had sex with a sugarbabe with deep kissing and all that, pretty much everything else is moot, all my other precautions are just sham. Less than half of these early 20's sugarbabes are vaccinated, if even that, from my talks. Matter of fact, I even stopped asking them. When I asked a few, the answer was "LOL no". I don't know why the LOL was included, was it an absurd question, was the answer supposed to be obvious, or something else? Anyway, my point is, from a personal risk (and risking my family), I am solely dependent on my god given immunity, the vaccines, and the hospitals with some recently advanced pills through the approvals that claim to cut down death rates by 80% or better. As for traveling to DE, it comes down to a few things: (a) availability of easily believable excuses to travel, which in the absence of business travel, are nearly non-existent. Given that many white collar businesses did not even resume RTO (return to office), even on a modest scale, business travel as in pre pandemic times appears far far away, if ever it comes back at that level. From what I am seeing, there is a reassessment of many types of events such as conferences, trade shows, other which may be severely scaled down in the future even when Covid will be behind us (b) travel hassle (such as checks, quarantines, canceled flights w / o prior notices, BS tests everywhere, etc). I can put up with the latter if the experience promises to be good enough but (a) is an impossibility for me personally..[/QUOTE]To be vaccines to be effective, you need another booster after next 6 months or so, it is bit of cat and mouth game that is ridiculous, but may save society from this lock down madness LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2625826]I have been tempted to try to sugar babies, but haven't gone there yet. Maybe I should just sign up so that I can browse and view the available talent. Couldn't hurt. Right?[/QUOTE]Different sites have different policies. But by and large signing up is generally free and can ogle as much as you want. Men pay to communicate with women. Same as on Tinder. I also recently paid the Platinum for Tinder, wrote about this on the SA thread. But the hit rate on SA is much better. On Tinder, there are 10 times as many desirable girls (probably every girl has a Tinder profile?) as there are on SA; perhaps 40 times more; but from my experience, many girls on Tinder appear non serious, and either don't login frequently or simply trying to get guys to be their followers on Insta or Snap (not sure why; perhaps some sort of ego stroke, having 3,000 Insta followers? Or perhaps they want to pressure the guys to buy pics and videos which also happens on SA). But there are a sufficient number of serious sugarbabes on SA who will meet, fuck (for the right amount).

But yes, signing up, looking up the pics is free on SA. And any prospective subscriber should do that before paying up. What if the number of girls on SA in your city is not high or they are not of sufficient quality? I spent weeks looking at the pictures, patterns before finally paying up for a subscription.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2625888]To be vaccines to be effective, you need another booster after next 6 months or so, it is bit of cat and mouth game that is ridiculous, but may save society from this lock down madness LOL![/QUOTE]Yes, so what? It is a stupid injection; I felt mild body aches for a few hours the next day; same as I did with my 2nd shot (my first one was even more benign). I haven't had any problems that Aaron Rodgers or others might have imagined. Will I have some long term complications because I took the shot? Who knows! I also know a few who actually passed from Covid and others who suffered serious complications. So far I escaped them. But this topic has become too toxic. I can't even ask my own neighbors if they took the vaccine. If I asked any of them if they had sex with their wife the prior night, they would be less offended. So, I keep my views to myself and just worry about my own life. I have always been better off doing that and not bothering about others.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2625294]Any of you guys in FKK land right now see any Romanian looking like this in an FKK? If so, please let me know and I will brave the pandemic to make my way there.[/QUOTE]Wow, if she were real, I'd want her too. LOL. I doubt there is one looking like her working in the clubs. To follow the same theme of daydreaming, can anyone point me to any FKK club to see a gorgeous German looking like German Track & Field star Alica Schmidt? I'm willing to pay a high price for that. To use a phrase frequently used by a regular poster here, Alica is an example of beauty and elegance. (It's a combination of face and body proportionally.) That's what I would call a model type or a true stunner even though I don't use the word stunner lightly. I know it's a wishful thinking to find a beauty like her or any chic above an 8 working in a FKK club, but it doesn't hurt to ask. I probably wouldn't expect any answer. LMAO.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwsD8YOpXzU[/URL]

[URL]https://www.rt.com/sport/487332-alica-schmidt-world-sexiest-athlete-back-training/[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2625826]I have been tempted to try to sugar babies, but haven't gone there yet. Maybe I should just sign up so that I can browse and view the available talent. Couldn't hurt. Right?[/QUOTE]Beautiful profile photos on those sites, but in reality, you are paying to talk to some elephant girl in Tijuana LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2625823]That girl is nice but not among the hottest on sugarbabe sites. Here is a quick one. This girl was in my town recently on a visit; she was as she looks in the pics, a good time was had by both for $300 (hers probably came more from the moola, but I am happy with the fake sounds). And even this one is absolutely not in the top 20% - if I am willing to pay 500 and up, sky is the limit as far as quality goes.[/QUOTE]Pretty on photos, but better to see for real, what is good in FKK and not only for look but also to judge behavior. When I visit escorts, if not girl on photos, then I leave, but when girl on photos, then You have to manage with girl behavior. I loved to get Russian beauties just fallen from Tupolev on their first day, most almost not speaking other than Russian which is very erotic for sex, when German is a killing desire.

[QUOTE=MoneySign;2625935]Wow, if she were real, I'd want her too. LOL. I doubt there is one looking like her working in the clubs. To follow the same theme of daydreaming, can anyone point me to any FKK club to see a gorgeous German looking like German Track & Field star Alica Schmidt? I'm willing to pay a high price for that. To use a phrase frequently used by a regular poster here, Alica is an example of beauty and elegance. (It's a combination of face and body proportionally.) That's what I would call a model type or a true stunner even though I don't use the word stunner lightly. I know it's a wishful thinking to find a beauty like her or any chic above an 8 working in a FKK club, but it doesn't hurt to ask. I probably wouldn't expect any answer. LMAO.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwsD8YOpXzU[/URL]

[URL]https://www.rt.com/sport/487332-alica-schmidt-world-sexiest-athlete-back-training/[/URL][/QUOTE]Make up improve her a lot and I prefer Cameron belly. Always better to see for real.

[QUOTE=MoneySign;2625935]Wow, if she were real, I'd want her too. LOL. I doubt there is one looking like her working in the clubs. To follow the same theme of daydreaming, can anyone point me to any FKK club to see a gorgeous German looking like German Track & Field star Alica Schmidt? I'm willing to pay a high price for that. To use a phrase frequently used by a regular poster here, Alica is an example of beauty and elegance. (It's a combination of face and body proportionally.) That's what I would call a model type or a true stunner even though I don't use the word stunner lightly. I know it's a wishful thinking to find a beauty like her or any chic above an 8 working in a FKK club, but it doesn't hurt to ask. I probably wouldn't expect any answer. LMAO.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwsD8YOpXzU[/URL]

[URL]https://www.rt.com/sport/487332-alica-schmidt-world-sexiest-athlete-back-training/[/URL][/QUOTE]It is good thing people have different tastes. My favorites are Jessica Simpson, Pamela Anderson, Jay Lo, Patricia Arquette, Chanel West Coast look a likes. I have a thing for Latin also and curves.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2625894]Different sites have different policies. But by and large signing up is generally free and can ogle as much as you want. Men pay to communicate with women. Same as on Tinder. I also recently paid the Platinum for Tinder, wrote about this on the SA thread. But the hit rate on SA is much better. On Tinder, there are 10 times as many desirable girls (probably every girl has a Tinder profile?) as there are on SA; perhaps 40 times more; but from my experience, many girls on Tinder appear non serious, and either don't login frequently or simply trying to get guys to be their followers on Insta or Snap (not sure why; perhaps some sort of ego stroke, having 3,000 Insta followers? Or perhaps they want to pressure the guys to buy pics and videos which also happens on SA). But there are a sufficient number of serious sugarbabes on SA who will meet, fuck (for the right amount).

But yes, signing up, looking up the pics is free on SA. And any prospective subscriber should do that before paying up. What if the number of girls on SA in your city is not high or they are not of sufficient quality? I spent weeks looking at the pictures, patterns before finally paying up for a subscription.[/QUOTE]I wish they did trades for things like yard sale items, etc.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2625894]Different sites have different policies. But by and large signing up is generally free and can ogle as much as you want. Men pay to communicate with women. Same as on Tinder. I also recently paid the Platinum for Tinder, wrote about this on the SA thread. But the hit rate on SA is much better. On Tinder, there are 10 times as many desirable girls (probably every girl has a Tinder profile?) as there are on SA; perhaps 40 times more; but from my experience, many girls on Tinder appear non serious, and either don't login frequently or simply trying to get guys to be their followers on Insta or Snap (not sure why; perhaps some sort of ego stroke, having 3,000 Insta followers? Or perhaps they want to pressure the guys to buy pics and videos which also happens on SA). But there are a sufficient number of serious sugarbabes on SA who will meet, fuck (for the right amount).

But yes, signing up, looking up the pics is free on SA. And any prospective subscriber should do that before paying up. What if the number of girls on SA in your city is not high or they are not of sufficient quality? I spent weeks looking at the pictures, patterns before finally paying up for a subscription.[/QUOTE]I worry about the threat of child support with SA.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2625823]That girl is nice but not among the hottest on sugarbabe sites. Here is a quick one. This girl was in my town recently on a visit; she was as she looks in the pics, a good time was had by both for $300 (hers probably came more from the moola, but I am happy with the fake sounds). And even this one is absolutely not in the top 20% - if I am willing to pay 500 and up, sky is the limit as far as quality goes.[/QUOTE]The agency that I patronize charges $200 to $300 per girl depending on the quality of the girl. On Friday they sent me the hottest girl that I have banged since being home from March last year for $300. All well and good but she attempted to charge me an extra $150 for DATY (which I refused) when I usually I get that for no extra payment and also her pussy was quite loose and I'm not small. Bah humbug!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2626002]Beautiful profile photos on those sites, but in reality, you are paying to talk to some elephant girl in Tijuana LOL![/QUOTE]You tried this and talking from first hand experience? Or you read the famous book written by Neuro?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2626071]The agency that I patronize charges $200 to $300 per girl depending on the quality of the girl. On Friday they sent me the hottest girl that I have banged since being home from March last year for $300. All well and good but she attempted to charge me an extra $150 for DATY (which I refused) when I usually I get that for no extra payment and also her pussy was quite loose and I'm not small. Bah humbug![/QUOTE]I never get the extra charge for DATY. Of all the things the girl has to do, DATY has to be the easiest on her. She has to lie back like a starfish and do nothing. $150 for DATY when you pay $200 to $300 for the entire session appears rubbish.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2626031]I wish they did trades for things like yard sale items, etc.[/QUOTE]You can trade for a goat in farming communities.

[QUOTE=Mojoman74;2625871]Does anyone know if Aurelia, previously working in FKK Sharks and Club Globe, is still in the game? Would love to see her again.[/QUOTE]She will be back in the game in Globe soon.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2626141]I never get the extra charge for DATY. Of all the things the girl has to do, DATY has to be the easiest on her. She has to lie back like a starfish and do nothing. $150 for DATY when you pay $200 to $300 for the entire session appears rubbish.[/QUOTE]But some girls are exhausted after orgasms, they need time to recover.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2626145]You can trade for a goat in farming communities.[/QUOTE]I don't want a wife.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2626228]I don't want a wife.[/QUOTE]Wife is the beginning of the end of your life, but it is amazing experience for first x years till she become let say around age 35, then LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2626139]You tried this and talking from first hand experience? Or you read the famous book written by Neuro?[/QUOTE]First hand experience because if you have this for 300 USD or 500 USD even, you would not fly 10 hours to fuck in German FKK LOL!

But it is possible as escort scene is not active in US right? Due to legal reason, so it has to go grey, therefore sugar babe site can be the place, but sting operation, not true photos, instability of service etc, it make me re-realize how German innovated brothel industry and managed to organize it accordingly LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2625895]Yes, so what? It is a stupid injection; I felt mild body aches for a few hours the next day; same as I did with my 2nd shot (my first one was even more benign). I haven't had any problems that Aaron Rodgers or others might have imagined. Will I have some long term complications because I took the shot? Who knows! I also know a few who actually passed from Covid and others who suffered serious complications. So far I escaped them. But this topic has become too toxic. I can't even ask my own neighbors if they took the vaccine. If I asked any of them if they had sex with their wife the prior night, they would be less offended. So, I keep my views to myself and just worry about my own life. I have always been better off doing that and not bothering about others.[/QUOTE]You are right, nobody know the mid to long term effect of this injection, but in order to prevent this virus spreading further or going next level, it is important for many people as possible to get vaccinations, so we can overcome this pandemic including the ones who refuse to get injected.

So like FKK, the game plan is that you get injected because you should because you need to go out there to work during the pandemic or you are sensitive person to this virus, but if you can protect yourself by staying home or control the places you go, then the situation create a choice and I have a choice like you have a choice.

Now, if I have to inject myself because I need to go somewhere like abroad for business or to monger, I may get vaccinated, but even we are expecting 6th wave here as we are careful race, but as of now, it is under 30 new infection per day for past 3 weeks, so it is not bad here comparison to west, therefore, why get vaccinated and over 70% of people got vaccinated here and we got plenty of vaccines that we even give to other countries and we got our syringes ready, so it is always there for me if I need it, so I stay put and stay away from the shit that government of all world are again lying about its effect and it has limited efficacy. So my game plan is let others take the vaccines and create group immune.

It is like boxing, in life, you have to learn to fight like Mayweather, defense, defense, defense, it is not always about offense, I have been doing offense for years and years, so during this pandemic for 2 years, I defense.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2626181]But some girls are exhausted after orgasms, they need time to recover.[/QUOTE]Call me a cynic (fits my name), but I don't believe the theatrics in any paid sexual relationship. Most definitely not in a brothel. I do enjoy DATY if the girl is clean, but the intent is not to give her an orgasm but it is for my own pleasure. If she genuinely has a big O (possible; she is a human, even the paid girls occasionally let themselves go), good for her but I don't spend much time worrying if it was genuine or fake. I assume they are all fake and move on.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2626253]First hand experience because if you have this for 300 USD or 500 USD even, you would not fly 10 hours to fuck in German FKK LOL!

But it is possible as escort scene is not active in US right? Due to legal reason, so it has to go grey, therefore sugar babe site can be the place, but sting operation, not true photos, instability of service etc, it make me re-realize how German innovated brothel industry and managed to organize it accordingly LOL![/QUOTE]You would be much better served by talking about things that you actually know and experienced, as opposed to stuff you imagine or might have read somewhere. Leave that to the CCP shit bucket.

First of all, sugar dating, FKKs, escorts, other services are not either / or. There are subtle and more than subtle differences between each distribution channel. There may be some commonality, in that sex may be involved and money may change hands. That is about it. We have fast food, fast casual, casual dining, doordash, ghost kitchens, high end. The sex industry is similarly fragmenting in my view.

Sugar daddy sites are not restricted to the US alone. In fact, SA has listings in pretty much every major city in many countries that I would ever be interested in visiting. There are many sugar daddies who live in EU and use that site for their needs and may not visit FKKs all that much. I used SA to sample local fare when I traveled to EU in the past (not in Frankfurt or NRW, because I prefer FKKs there).

As for sting operations on escorts / other in the US, I am not an expert and neither are you. Mongerer88 has written extensively on this topic. I leave that to him if he is reading. Raids can and have happened in FKKs too.

Catfishing, not true photos etc. - yes, but you will walk if the girl is not what you expected to be. No one is blindfolding you till you are inside the girl. I have felt shortchanged with regards to service after going inside the room at FKK even after seeing the girl naked and talking to her for a few minutes. It can happen.

On Wednesday, I met a girl at 2 PM, picked up some coffee and a donut and quickly went to a room, she was 5'10" and in great shape, was an experienced babe and provided tremendous service including sex in multiple positions, very nice BJ, and finally sucked me to a climax, vacuumed off every last drop and swallowed. Didn't have to pay any extra. Quick shower and back at work by 5 PM. Siri is in the clubs every weekend but even he doesn't get to fuck on Wednesday afternoons I assume, unless he stayed back in DE for the week. How about going to work, sneak out for a quick fuck and be back at work / home a few hours later? In your own city, a few miles from home? What is it worth to you?

In the modern economy, many people who do other things for a living are also Uber'ing, doordash'ing, airbnb'ing etc on the side to augment income. It expanded the supply tremendously. It is no longer just the Yellow cab. What the old fogs around here seem to have difficulty with is that today's girls can have such a casual attitude to sex, but they do. Students, single moms, lower level employees, middle class housewifes wanting to buy an expensive trinket dadada supply comes from many angles. When talking about price over lunch one day, a girl told me recently "time is time; I expect to be paid the same amount whether it is going to a concert with you or fucking in a room". To her, the sex act itself means nothing. And you'd be surprised the kinda weirdos out there. One girl said she was hired by a guy just to kick him in his balls. Another hired an ex sugarbabe of mine to mop his floor naked (no sex).

[QUOTE=MrHo;2625860]We can enter both US and Japan to most EU nations just with PCR test, well I can, but it is too risky to plan as Europe or else where can just change the rule in the matter of few days and then there is nothing we can do about it against federal power or we can declare ourselves as business travelers as mongering is kind of business transaction of money and sexual service LOL![/QUOTE]Just a point of information. The USA won't let anyone in by air travel for any purpose, business or personal reasons, (except if illegally crossing the land border over the Rio Grande) unless if vaccinated.

Only there is an exception for US citizens that within 24 hours of boarding a return flight either a fast antigen or PCR test is needed. If vaccinated the test window is extended to 72 hours. But for non citizens of the USA they can't get in by air unless vaccinated or if they cross the land border through swimming across the river.

There are reports from hospitals in Detroit Michigan that 30% of those hospitalized are vaccinated. Many residents of Detroit are smokers (both cigarettes and marijuana) which I believe has something to do with this besides the vaccine not working.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2626262]You are right, nobody know the mid to long term effect of this injection, but in order to prevent this virus spreading further or going next level, it is important for many people as possible to get vaccinations, so we can overcome this pandemic including the ones who refuse to get injected.

So like FKK, the game plan is that you get injected because you should because you need to go out there to work during the pandemic or you are sensitive person to this virus, but if you can protect yourself by staying home or control the places you go, then the situation create a choice and I have a choice like you have a choice.

Now, if I have to inject myself because I need to go somewhere like abroad for business or to monger, I may get vaccinated, but even we are expecting 6th wave here as we are careful race, but as of now, it is under 30 new infection per day for past 3 weeks, so it is not bad here comparison to west, therefore, why get vaccinated and over 70% of people got vaccinated here and we got plenty of vaccines that we even give to other countries and we got our syringes ready, so it is always there for me if I need it, so I stay put and stay away from the shit that government of all world are again lying about its effect and it has limited efficacy. So my game plan is let others take the vaccines and create group immune.

It is like boxing, in life, you have to learn to fight like Mayweather, defense, defense, defense, it is not always about offense, I have been doing offense for years and years, so during this pandemic for 2 years, I defense.[/QUOTE]

Stings on sugar baby sites usually occur in the form of the girl stating she is under 18 after posting an ad she is over 18. Then they guy is arrested upon meeting.

With regards to listcrawler stings, they have the guy meet at hotel for an ad posted and either do a misdemeanor arrest for over 18 prostitution or felony arrest for under 18 prostitution. The common denominator is that the girl will not send a topless pic prior to the meeting which indicates it is a sting.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2626518]You would be much better served by talking about things that you actually know and experienced, as opposed to stuff you imagine or might have read somewhere. Leave that to the CCP shit bucket.

First of all, sugar dating, FKKs, escorts, other services are not either / or. There are subtle and more than subtle differences between each distribution channel. There may be some commonality, in that sex may be involved and money may change hands. That is about it. We have fast food, fast casual, casual dining, doordash, ghost kitchens, high end. The sex industry is similarly fragmenting in my view.

Sugar daddy sites are not restricted to the US alone. In fact, SA has listings in pretty much every major city in many countries that I would ever be interested in visiting. There are many sugar daddies who live in EU and use that site for their needs and may not visit FKKs all that much. I used SA to sample local fare when I traveled to EU in the past (not in Frankfurt or NRW, because I prefer FKKs there).

As for sting operations on escorts / other in the US, I am not an expert and neither are you. Mongerer88 has written extensively on this topic. I leave that to him if he is reading. Raids can and have happened in FKKs too..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2626294]Call me a cynic (fits my name), but I don't believe the theatrics in any paid sexual relationship. Most definitely not in a brothel. I do enjoy DATY if the girl is clean, but the intent is not to give her an orgasm but it is for my own pleasure. If she genuinely has a big O (possible; she is a human, even the paid girls occasionally let themselves go), good for her but I don't spend much time worrying if it was genuine or fake. I assume they are all fake and move on.[/QUOTE]If I think a girl fake for reactions, I don't say about lying words, then I don't repeat and I also stopped with liars. When on discovery, girls moan like porn, then I stop my action, so they ask why I stop? And I tell them I don't like porn moanings. On the other hand, I worked hard and paid for 45 mn on pretty Laura at Velbert, I didn't feel anymore my tongue, and more than 1 hour on German Lucifer at Gold, with 4 fingers for her G spot. Some girls are very fast, some need long time and difficult. Interesting game, most say thank You. I pay to find woman reactions, for behavior, manners and sex. Porn don't interest me.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2626528]There are reports from hospitals in Detroit Michigan that 30% of those hospitalized are vaccinated. Many residents of Detroit are smokers (both cigarettes and marijuana) which I believe has something to do with this besides the vaccine not working.[/QUOTE]In France we have in 20's and in 30's who are badly sick with covid when they were vaccinated 6 months ago, when no vaccine for a old like me still going to brothels since covid. I worry a bit about vaccine, no paranoia about tracker, but not to lower my strong health and resistance.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2625716]Germany took the US off the list of High Risk areas yesterday effective Sunday at midnight.[/QUOTE]Does that mean we don't have to do the digital registration anymore before flying into German? Digital registration is no longer needed. Correct? Can someone double confirm that? Thank you.

I went to this website and selected the United States to go through the exercise. It said "The country you've selected is not classified as a risk area". I clicked "Next" anyway to try to register. It then stated "You do not need to complete the Digital Registration on Entry. " Bravo! We don't need to do the pre-flight registration. We're free like a bird now without being monitored. Whew!

[URL]https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de/[/URL]

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2626528]There are reports from hospitals in Detroit Michigan that 30% of those hospitalized are vaccinated. Many residents of Detroit are smokers (both cigarettes and marijuana) which I believe has something to do with this besides the vaccine not working.[/QUOTE]Once again you don't give any sources (rather usual from all the conspiracy jerks on this thread) but according to this charming website:

[URL]https://raw.githubusercontent.com/owid/covid-19-data/master/public/data/vaccinations/us_state_vaccinations.csv[/URL]

54 % of the Michigan inhabitants are fully vaccinated. Correct me if I'm wrong but Detroit is in Michigan right? And we can assume that since it's a big city, more people are vaccinated than in the rest of the state?

So at least 54 % of the Detroit inhabitants are fully vaccinated, around 60 % got at least one dose, and 30 % of the hospitalized are vaccinated (maybe bullshit but who knows? Sounds like vaccination clearly reduces the risk of being hospitalized!

Do you know why the situation is getting really bad in Eastern Europe? Because the vaccination rate is low. And you know why? Because weirdos like you spread paranoid bullshits on different medias.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2626528]There are reports from hospitals in Detroit Michigan that 30% of those hospitalized are vaccinated. Many residents of Detroit are smokers (both cigarettes and marijuana) which I believe has something to do with this besides the vaccine not working.[/QUOTE]Doesn't this show that the vaccine actually works? In the older age groups of Michigan there is a 70% vaccine coverage. Still only 30% of the hospitalized are vaccinated.

Correct. Flying on Tuesday to Frankfurt and registration is no longer required. Hopefully they don't close any FKK within next two weeks.

[QUOTE=MoneySign;2626583]Does that mean we don't have to do the digital registration anymore before flying into German? Digital registration is no longer needed. Correct? Can someone double confirm that? Thank you.

I went to this website and selected the United States to go through the exercise. It said "The country you've selected is not classified as a risk area". I clicked "Next" anyway to try to register. It then stated "You do not need to complete the Digital Registration on Entry. " Bravo! We don't need to do the pre-flight registration. We're free like a bird now without being monitored. Whew!

[URL]https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de/[/URL][/QUOTE]

Correct. Flying on Tuesday to Frankfurt and registration is no longer required. Hopefully they don't close any FKK within next two weeks.

[QUOTE=MoneySign;2626583]Does that mean we don't have to do the digital registration anymore before flying into German? Digital registration is no longer needed. Correct? Can someone double confirm that? Thank you.

I went to this website and selected the United States to go through the exercise. It said "The country you've selected is not classified as a risk area". I clicked "Next" anyway to try to register. It then stated "You do not need to complete the Digital Registration on Entry. " Bravo! We don't need to do the pre-flight registration. We're free like a bird now without being monitored. Whew!

[URL]https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2626525]Just a point of information. The USA won't let anyone in by air travel for any purpose, business or personal reasons, (except if illegally crossing the land border over the Rio Grande) unless if vaccinated.

Only there is an exception for US citizens that within 24 hours of boarding a return flight either a fast antigen or PCR test is needed. If vaccinated the test window is extended to 72 hours. But for non citizens of the USA they can't get in by air unless vaccinated or if they cross the land border through swimming across the river.[/QUOTE]Yes, I know this, but I went to US both east and west coast for holiday many times before, so I won't be going back there for awhile, but Germany soon may be install such restriction then it can be an issue for me soon or later, but as long as it is fine in summer 2022, I am ok.

US is doing the right thing, it was one of the hot spot for covid together with Europe, somehow this disease tend to attack west more than other region, I guess it is about their out going cultures and also not willing to listen to government to stay in and do not meet people, it is not part of their nature to be discipline. Ah and other thing, people stopped wearing mask after vaccination, and began doing what they want, that lead to fatal results in many western nations.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2626528]There are reports from hospitals in Detroit Michigan that 30% of those hospitalized are vaccinated. Many residents of Detroit are smokers (both cigarettes and marijuana) which I believe has something to do with this besides the vaccine not working.[/QUOTE]Weed is good thing usually, but not for covid19, I think it is more their nature of not wearing mask after vaccination and began doing what they want thinking vaccine is the solution, it helps, but only a little bit.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2626518]You would be much better served by talking about things that you actually know and experienced, as opposed to stuff you imagine or might have read somewhere. Leave that to the CCP shit bucket.

First of all, sugar dating, FKKs, escorts, other services are not either / or. There are subtle and more than subtle differences between each distribution channel. There may be some commonality, in that sex may be involved and money may change hands. That is about it. We have fast food, fast casual, casual dining, doordash, ghost kitchens, high end. The sex industry is similarly fragmenting in my view.

Sugar daddy sites are not restricted to the US alone. In fact, SA has listings in pretty much every major city in many countries that I would ever be interested in visiting. There are many sugar daddies who live in EU and use that site for their needs and may not visit FKKs all that much. I used SA to sample local fare when I traveled to EU in the past (not in Frankfurt or NRW, because I prefer FKKs there).

As for sting operations on escorts / other in the US, I am not an expert and neither are you. Mongerer88 has written extensively on this topic. I leave that to him if he is reading. Raids can and have happened in FKKs too.[/QUOTE]Well if suck sites are working so effectively with quality delivered, then I would stay in USA and not bother to fly 10 hours plus just to basically fuck in Germany, but give us which sites are so effective as you mentioned, we take a look at some interesting photos LOL!

You can fuck on Wednesday afternoon in FKK, I have done that a lot of time in FKK, you just need to be lucky to find the stunner as you want. In globe being the day shift club, it is possible, same for nrw clubs, but lineup is weak in nrw clubs in general.

As for strange fetishes, yeah in FKK, I hear some stories from girls too, and most of these strange guys take girl for the whole day and spend most of time talking about their life together LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2626726]Well if suck sites are working so effectively with quality delivered, then I would stay in USA and not bother to fly 10 hours plus just to basically fuck in Germany, but give us which sites are so effective as you mentioned, we take a look at some interesting photos LOL!

You can fuck on Wednesday afternoon in FKK, I have done that a lot of time in FKK, you just need to be lucky to find the stunner as you want. In globe being the day shift club, it is possible, same for nrw clubs, but lineup is weak in nrw clubs in general.

As for strange fetishes, yeah in FKK, I hear some stories from girls too, and most of these strange guys take girl for the whole day and spend most of time talking about their life together LOL![/QUOTE]That is fine, suit yourself. Enough info has been provided and on this very site there is an entire thread dedicated with elaborate reports, so RTFF. If you or others want to cling to the notion that only place guys can fuck "stunners" in this entire world was in a few fuck clubs, I will not disabuse you of your delusions.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2626735]That is fine, suit yourself. Enough info has been provided and on this very site there is an entire thread dedicated with elaborate reports, so RTFF. If you or others want to cling to the notion that only place guys can fuck "stunners" in this entire world was in a few fuck clubs, I will not disabuse you of your delusions.[/QUOTE]It is very odd that you avoid to mention specific sites and it makes me wonder why that is, but hey if you are fucking every day with such a level of sugar babes in USA as you claim you do with some photos you got from google images, then I recommend not to fly long distance to fuck in Germany because hey, if you can find such level of girls in USA for only 300 USD to 500 USD, then it make rational sense to stay there, right?

It is bit like someone claim to have Porsche 911 Turbo S and shows me photos, but whenever I see the guy, he come with taxi saying it is in the garage for maintenance LOL! But whatever make the person happy LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2626801]It is very odd that you avoid to mention specific sites and it makes me wonder why that is, but hey if you are fucking every day with such a level of sugar babes in USA as you claim you do with some photos you got from google images, then I recommend not to fly long distance to fuck in Germany because hey, if you can find such level of girls in USA for only 300 USD to 500 USD, then it make rational sense to stay there, right?

It is bit like someone claim to have Porsche 911 Turbo S and shows me photos, but whenever I see the guy, he come with taxi saying it is in the garage for maintenance LOL! But whatever make the person happy LOL![/QUOTE]I think he named SA which is Seeking Arrangements. It used to have another name that referred more to Sugar Daddies. They frown on pay per meet but some do it anyway. There are some women that expect you to blow money on them. Like I mentioned earlier the child support thing scares me. Also I used to have a higher profile job. I like anonymous. I have no doubt the site is legit and that it works. Everybody should check it out.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2626801]It is very odd that you avoid to mention specific sites and it makes me wonder why that is, but hey if you are fucking every day with such a level of sugar babes in USA as you claim you do with some photos you got from google images, then I recommend not to fly long distance to fuck in Germany because hey, if you can find such level of girls in USA for only 300 USD to 500 USD, then it make rational sense to stay there, right?

It is bit like someone claim to have Porsche 911 Turbo S and shows me photos, but whenever I see the guy, he come with taxi saying it is in the garage for maintenance LOL! But whatever make the person happy LOL![/QUOTE]As a side note to my other comment, I just want to mention that I believe they passed a law that holds people liable for pictures posted on sites if the individual is later found to be abused or claims it. I think that destroyed some of the half way decent escort sites. In it's place are some sugar daddy sites. The majority of the girls ask for a money allowance. It sells them a dream and some of them get frustrated.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2627069]As a side note to my other comment, I just want to mention that I believe they passed a law that holds people liable for pictures posted on sites if the individual is later found to be abused or claims it. I think that destroyed some of the half way decent escort sites. In it's place are some sugar daddy sites. The majority of the girls ask for a money allowance. It sells them a dream and some of them get frustrated.[/QUOTE]These laws do not work in a way that what are you going to do? Sue them for not looking the same as the photo they posted online? I think the law was more for protecting famous or other peoples photos whose photos are used on dating up etc LOL!

SA sound interesting, and it is here to, but I doubt that could work as good sugar babe site as in instant sex exchange for money, some may do, but in most nations, it is illegal to do so and with online inbox, you going to leave the written evidence of exchanges even you encrypt it, there should be problem!

However, you got these walk in girls in FKK sometime who is in the industry for short run (which will turn into long run LOL! And these girls are among my favorite, used to have quite number of them during summer holiday season in FKK, but much less now.

Allowance deals can be lucrative as long as you fuck her few times per week, but one has to be careful to not to reveal who you are just in case!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2627121]..... sue them for not looking the same as the photo they posted online?[/QUOTE]...and/or the service taken place on the battle field compared to what has been told/promised on phone/couch - funny ideas.

It am booked to attend a Trade Show in Dortmund early April 2022 - if some nice ISGer could enlighten me to what quality FKK Clubs are within striking distance I would greatly appreciate it? TIA.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2627234]It am booked to attend a Trade Show in Dortmund early April 2022 - if some nice ISGer could enlighten me to what quality FKK Clubs are within striking distance I would greatly appreciate it? TIA.[/QUOTE]Will you be able to rent a car? I'd suggest Penelope for evening action, it's in Castrop Rauxel or if you can go further then Acapulco Gold. But by next April there might be a different club that's said to be better.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2627234]It am booked to attend a Trade Show in Dortmund early April 2022 - if some nice ISGer could enlighten me to what quality FKK Clubs are within striking distance I would greatly appreciate it? TIA.[/QUOTE]If Germany is out of Pandemic in 5 months that is, but I think it will be fine even though the situation is worst ever so far in Germany now! Crazy virus!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2627121]These laws do not work in a way that what are you going to do? Sue them for not looking the same as the photo they posted online? I think the law was more for protecting famous or other peoples photos whose photos are used on dating up etc LOL![/QUOTE]He meant that the websites were made liable if it turns out that the girls were part of something like a form of abuse.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2627538]He meant that the websites were made liable if it turns out that the girls were part of something like a form of abuse.[/QUOTE]Most websites are made liable, like facebook etc also were made liable, but nobody can deliver such service because people are willing to cheat LOL! And what you going to do? Sue them?

However, in FKK, you get to see what you going to fuck and there is no lying there beside magic lighting in main bar and heavy make up that is in level of oil painting the face LOL! But I am master of light in FKK, I know where to situate myself like a sharp shooter to hunt down the stunner of stunner on the first shift of the day LOL! And I literally sit for hours till I find the one LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2627564]Most websites are made liable, like facebook etc also were made liable, but nobody can deliver such service because people are willing to cheat LOL! And what you going to do? Sue them?

However, in FKK, you get to see what you going to fuck and there is no lying there beside magic lighting in main bar and heavy make up that is in level of oil painting the face LOL! But I am master of light in FKK, I know where to situate myself like a sharp shooter to hunt down the stunner of stunner on the first shift of the day LOL! And I literally sit for hours till I find the one LOL![/QUOTE]He meant if the picture was of a girl who was a victim of something devious. Like if she was being forced to work against her will. Then the publishers of the website would be legally liable in participating in an illegal act.

Cathay Pacific reports three of their pilots caught covid in Frankfurt and were fired for "serious breach".

We can only imagine what sort of stunner suffered "serious breach" leading to the covid.

[URL]https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3156529/cathay-pacific-fires-3-pilots-covid-19-after[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2627608]He meant if the picture was of a girl who was a victim of something devious. Like if she was being forced to work against her will. Then the publishers of the website would be legally liable in participating in an illegal act.[/QUOTE]Then all SNS websites are liable and are in position to be sued and lose the case because with big sns sites have millions or even billion of members and quite some of them use fake photos and I am certain that Pimps etc use sns sites to recruit clients, so if the statement is true what you said and other guy, all sns sites are liable to be sued right now and lose the case LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2627912]Cathay Pacific reports three of their pilots caught covid in Frankfurt and were fired for "serious breach".

We can only imagine what sort of stunner suffered "serious breach" leading to the covid.

[URL]https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3156529/cathay-pacific-fires-3-pilots-covid-19-after[/URL][/QUOTE]Serious breach? These pilots lied about taking vaccines or? If not the case then it would be too sad if employees are getting fired for getting infected.

This forced vaccine on some of the people in society is harsh reality some may have to face considering the circumstance, but as I always said, CCP is the titan of all this and hey, they got away with it LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2627947]Then all SNS websites are liable and are in position to be sued and lose the case because with big sns sites have millions or even billion of members and quite some of them use fake photos and I am certain that Pimps etc use sns sites to recruit clients, so if the statement is true what you said and other guy, all sns sites are liable to be sued right now and lose the case LOL![/QUOTE]I have noted two types of sugar babies. Type I. The recent high school graduate. She is looking for extra money and pretty easy to get a BJ for a low donation and a full service on second meeting for under $200.

The second type of sugar baby is the "professional" sugar baby. She is either an escort in her 20's or older or retired escort in her 30's or older or want to be escort who was fired from her regular job or broke up with a prior sugar daddy, who ratchets up her rates to $400 or more thinking she is "all that". These are the types needing to be avoided. However, the time spent on shifting through the chaff to find the wheat is incredible. If the FKK system gets back in order it is easily much simpler to go to the FKK.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2625563]The whole situation really, really sucks man. I don't think it will be safe to plan an overseas trip to Germany at least until next summer. At least if you're coming from the States (or Japan) intent on mongering. I'm debating Germany or Brazil in 2022. I just don't know yet. This sucks![/QUOTE]Going to go back out on my limb and say that things will be okay this winter. Authorities have clearly been reluctant to go all-out lock down mode, focusing instead on targeting vaccination status. Similar to their moves in August / September, they seem to be using the UK as a predictor of things to come, and the situation there seems to be maintaining a steady state. I think the name of the game continues to be, "we're not eradicating this, so do only what it takes to keep the situations in hospitals manageable". Unfortunately this still has repercussions on movement of people both across borders and daily life.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2627947]Then all SNS websites are liable and are in position to be sued and lose the case because with big sns sites have millions or even billion of members and quite some of them use fake photos and I am certain that Pimps etc use sns sites to recruit clients, so if the statement is true what you said and other guy, all sns sites are liable to be sued right now and lose the case LOL![/QUOTE]I don't really know or have a stake, just clarifying his statement.

Seriously, if I ever have to explain the power level difference because of covid restriction at passport control or whatever control they have now because of covid, I am going to tell them that "you do not know how many young beautiful stunners from your country sucked my dick and licked my anal clean do you? No! Exactly, thank you!" where that is going to get me? Nowhere, but it will boost my ego boost of the day LOL!

Man! I got the number one passport in the world for how many countries I can enter without visa, and now they going to block me because I am no vaccine young stunner fucker? No, way these mofo going to stop me from getting my dick sucked, fucked and anal licked clean LOL! I ain't going down like that LOL!

Full lockdown in Austria! Is Germany next?

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/19/europe/austria-national-lockdown-intl/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2628180]Full lockdown in Austria! Is Germany next?

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/19/europe/austria-national-lockdown-intl/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Already 2 G and full hospitals in Saxe, Bavaria. 2 G in Berlin. More than 60 000 new cases yesterday, a bit worrying. Unfortunately also increasing in France with 20.000.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2628180]Full lockdown in Austria! Is Germany next?

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/19/europe/austria-national-lockdown-intl/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]They going to lock your pant down monger homies LOL! Get your masturbation holes out or make good use of your right hand LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2628180]Full lockdown in Austria! Is Germany next?

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/19/europe/austria-national-lockdown-intl/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Come on Germany. Stay true!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2628004]I have noted two types of sugar babies. Type I. The recent high school graduate. She is looking for extra money and pretty easy to get a BJ for a low donation and a full service on second meeting for under $200.

The second type of sugar baby is the "professional" sugar baby. She is either an escort in her 20's or older or retired escort in her 30's or older or want to be escort who was fired from her regular job or broke up with a prior sugar daddy, who ratchets up her rates to $400 or more thinking she is "all that". These are the types needing to be avoided. However, the time spent on shifting through the chaff to find the wheat is incredible. If the FKK system gets back in order it is easily much simpler to go to the FKK.[/QUOTE]Well, then why do you USA mongers have to fly across ocean to fuck stunners if sugar babe sites provide more diverse line up of stunner beauties both pro and semi pro LOL!

The rate of 200 to even 400 USD is OK if she is stunner and provide service, but where are the safety both on mongers or girls? More mongers in USA actually as if the girl accuse you of something, it is likely that mongers will lose the case LOL!

I fuck Eurasian stunner beauties here when I find them, I found only one, which I did in August few months ago and as for white stunners and other European or immigrant mixed race stunners, I fly across former soviet union and Europe LOL!

Got my international stunner fucking strategy sorted out in my life since young age, but I never saw this virus thing coming our way to block me LOL!

Next summer, I will be in Europe getting my dick sucked, fucked and anal licked by white stunner beauty of my choices LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2628406]Come on Germany. Stay true![/QUOTE]I am sticking to my decision to not travel to Germany until things are pre covid. No vaccine card required, no tests and no masks.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2627947]Then all SNS websites are liable and are in position to be sued and lose the case because with big sns sites have millions or even billion of members and quite some of them use fake photos and I am certain that Pimps etc use sns sites to recruit clients, so if the statement is true what you said and other guy, all sns sites are liable to be sued right now and lose the case LOL![/QUOTE]Someone else would have to verify the existence or exact wording of the law. I don't think I imagined reading about it. I assumed that is why the small escort website businesses disappeared near where I live. There used to be small escort agencies with a half a dozen ladies run by an individual. I don't mean to be political or inflammatory but I assumed it was something the Trump administration did. I say that to show my perspective.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2628594]I am sticking to my decision to not travel to Germany until things are pre covid. No vaccine card required, no tests and no masks.[/QUOTE]I think that's my decision as well. Which means Brazil now moves confidently to the front of the line.

There are 300 million people in the USA, so you are reading the opinions of only a very few of them in the German FKK Lounge area.

Most USA Mongers like variety and see ladies in the USA, but still greatly look forward to Europe trips, and Asia and South America and Canadian trips.

USA Sex workers are certainly more expensive than sex workers in other parts of the world, and the average age is higher. But once you learn a system, you find the quality you are looking for if you are willing to pay the price.

Once again, that doesn't mean that the USA John doesn't greatly look forward to foreign trips where the price is lower, the ladies are often younger, and the culture is radically different.

There are some guys that will only do things one way, and at one place. But honestly they are the minority. Because you only seem to interact with a group of people in one place (the FKK Lounge), it may distort your perspective.

On point, it may be unusual in the view of many that you don't take advantage of the many opportunities to receive oral sex, as well as regular sex, in Japan while you wait to return to Germany. You could close your eyes and envision a Romanian while doing so. But most races and ethnicities are attracted to people in their own race or ethnicity. And Japanese women are among the most traditionally attractive in Asia.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2628456]Well, then why do you USA mongers have to fly across ocean to fuck stunners if sugar babe sites provide more diverse line up of stunner beauties both pro and semi pro LOL!

The rate of 200 to even 400 USD is OK if she is stunner and provide service, but where are the safety both on mongers or girls? More mongers in USA actually as if the girl accuse you of something, it is likely that mongers will lose the case LOL!

I fuck Eurasian stunner beauties here when I find them, I found only one, which I did in August few months ago and as for white stunners and other European or immigrant mixed race stunners, I fly across former soviet union and Europe LOL!

Got my international stunner fucking strategy sorted out in my life since young age, but I never saw this virus thing coming our way to block me LOL![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2628596]I think that's my decision as well. Which means Brazil now moves confidently to the front of the line.[/QUOTE]That's our decision for past damn 2 years LOL!

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2628636]There are 300 million people in the USA, so you are reading the opinions of only a very few of them in the German FKK Lounge area.

Most USA Mongers like variety and see ladies in the USA, but still greatly look forward to Europe trips, and Asia and South America and Canadian trips.

USA Sex workers are certainly more expensive than sex workers in other parts of the world, and the average age is higher. But once you learn a system, you find the quality you are looking for if you are willing to pay the price.

Once again, that doesn't mean that the USA John doesn't greatly look forward to foreign trips where the price is lower, the ladies are often younger, and the culture is radically different.

There are some guys that will only do things one way, and at one place. But honestly they are the minority. Because you only seem to interact with a group of people in one place (the FKK Lounge), it may distort your perspective.

On point, it may be unusual in the view of many that you don't take advantage of the many opportunities to receive oral sex, as well as regular sex, in Japan while you wait to return to Germany. You could close your eyes and envision a Romanian while doing so. But most races and ethnicities are attracted to people in their own race or ethnicity. And Japanese women are among the most traditionally attractive in Asia.[/QUOTE]I tend to like half Japanese and half white stunner girls, so I mainly fuck them when I find them, I am a sharp shooter everyday standing by as they are rare to find and gone with the wind from mongering industry LOL!

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2628595]Someone else would have to verify the existence or exact wording of the law. I don't think I imagined reading about it. I assumed that is why the small escort website businesses disappeared near where I live. There used to be small escort agencies with a half a dozen ladies run by an individual. I don't mean to be political or inflammatory but I assumed it was something the Trump administration did. I say that to show my perspective.[/QUOTE]Trump? He himself is serial monger LOL! Even his wife is the result of mongering, but he pays millions for it LOL I must say though, he control the game alright, he is not sued by Melania yet LOL! But it is more like she has no choice but to stay with him as once you are in with Trump family, it follow you around forever LOL Whatta piece of work that guy is, real American modern art, the result of hustle and bustle of New York! New York!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2628594]I am sticking to my decision to not travel to Germany until things are pre covid. No vaccine card required, no tests and no masks.[/QUOTE]There is a conspiracy theory that they are jealous because we mongers got our dick sucked, fucked and anal licked by more German stunner girls than they ever did LOL!

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2628595]Someone else would have to verify the existence or exact wording of the law. I don't think I imagined reading about it. I assumed that is why the small escort website businesses disappeared near where I live. There used to be small escort agencies with a half a dozen ladies run by an individual. I don't mean to be political or inflammatory but I assumed it was something the Trump administration did. I say that to show my perspective.[/QUOTE]For an historical viewpoint the small escort sites were nothing compared with what craigslist was doing back in 2015 and prior. In fact craigslist was a free site where young girls would post ads. There were no ID checks and 18 year old girls and some younger than 18 would post ads and it was free for them to post and free for guys to browse.

Then the FBI forced craigslist to shut its personals down which put an end to everyone's fun. Then it was semi replaced by Backpage. Backpage refused to capitulate and delete their personals ads and the owners of Backpage were prosecuted (recently a hung jury. No pun intended) and then they are subject to a second trial.

But Backpage was worse than craigslist because newbie girls and young girls could not post as Backpage would check ID's and make sure the girl was over 21 and also charged the girl which made it mainly for professional girls not just girls trying it out.

It was because of the Backpage prosecution (which started with then Attorney General of California Kamela H. Prior to her becoming Vice President) that the small escort websites all shut down.

[URL]https://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/65857/5078305[/URL]

As you can see with above link, apparently GT Bruggen was on fire! Considering the club was not welcomed by the village of Bruggen and surrounding and also considering the club was closed and empty, I doubt the fire at GT is an accident, but maybe someone set the place on fire? I wonder if new owner have enough money to renovate it back up or rebuild the whole thing?

I wonder what happen to FKK license if the place is burnt down? Will they lose the license or the license belong to the land or location and not the building?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2628579]Next summer, I will be in Europe getting my dick sucked, fucked and anal licked by white stunner beauty of my choices LOL![/QUOTE]Mr. Ho, you believe that by next summer you can enter Germany and FKK with no vaccination certificate, no covid test and not wearing a mask? I wish you were correct.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2628952]Mr. Ho, you believe that by next summer you can enter Germany and FKK with no vaccination certificate, no covid test and not wearing a mask? I wish you were correct.[/QUOTE]Who know's, it does look like Covid vaccine will be compulsory for a foreigner to visit Europe.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2628896][URL]https://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/65857/5078305[/URL]

As you can see with above link, apparently GT Bruggen was on fire! Considering the club was not welcomed by the village of Bruggen and surrounding and also considering the club was closed and empty, I doubt the fire at GT is an accident, but maybe someone set the place on fire? I wonder if new owner have enough money to renovate it back up or rebuild the whole thing?

I wonder what happen to FKK license if the place is burnt down? Will they lose the license or the license belong to the land or location and not the building?[/QUOTE]Whoa. But it does not spell out the extent of the damage. Could be minor, although it says 90 were deployed. Not sure how much one can read into that.

I would imagine the owner (s) carry insurance. It would not surprise me if the continuation of the license is contingent on maintaining that insurance. Apart from the risk to the building itself, there is a risk to the employees, female talent and male guests. Liability insurance is a must.

License should be independent of the building and can't revoked if the physical plant is in rubble. That is how it works with most US businesses anyway.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2628787]For an historical viewpoint the small escort sites were nothing compared with what craigslist was doing back in 2015 and prior. In fact craigslist was a free site where young girls would post ads. There were no ID checks and 18 year old girls and some younger than 18 would post ads and it was free for them to post and free for guys to browse.

Then the FBI forced craigslist to shut its personals down which put an end to everyone's fun. Then it was semi replaced by Backpage. Backpage refused to capitulate and delete their personals ads and the owners of Backpage were prosecuted (recently a hung jury. No pun intended) and then they are subject to a second trial.

But Backpage was worse than craigslist because newbie girls and young girls could not post as Backpage would check ID's and make sure the girl was over 21 and also charged the girl which made it mainly for professional girls not just girls trying it out.

It was because of the Backpage prosecution (which started with then Attorney General of California Kamela H. Prior to her becoming Vice President) that the small escort websites all shut down.[/QUOTE]The small escort agencies were something because they were better. Craigslist was worthless and Backpage was next to worthless. I just want to make that point and another. Just because something precedes a thing doesn't mean it caused it. You may be correct but your logic seems loose to me.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2629030]Whoa. But it does not spell out the extent of the damage. Could be minor, although it says 90 were deployed. Not sure how much one can read into that.

I would imagine the owner (s) carry insurance. It would not surprise me if the continuation of the license is contingent on maintaining that insurance. Apart from the risk to the building itself, there is a risk to the employees, female talent and male guests. Liability insurance is a must.

License should be independent of the building and can't revoked if the physical plant is in rubble. That is how it works with most US businesses anyway.[/QUOTE]So it is OK as long as the license is still alive, the new owner or new buyer will continue the FKK there because it is too lucrative license to obtain as I presume the license to operate FKK is not easy to obtain from fed.

Aha, right, insurance, maybe the suspect can be spot lighted on the new owner first as they often do in movies or in reality too LOL! But GT has been pressured by the community of Bruggen as it is quiet residential area, so imagine how unwelcome FKK is there LOL! Whatta sexual education for local children, when they turn 18, they can have birthday party there LOL! Or local husband can go there after the office hours for quick sex young beauties before they return to their home to confront with ugly old wives of theirs LOL! Whatta threat to community, especially to local wives LOL! I am sure local wives drive by to check if the husband car is there at GT car park, no wonder why there is a security guard to control which car can enter GT compound to prevent wives from driving in to check for the car of husbands LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2628952]Mr. Ho, you believe that by next summer you can enter Germany and FKK with no vaccination certificate, no covid test and not wearing a mask? I wish you were correct.[/QUOTE]If the situation do not calm down by late April or May, I am going to vaccinate as I have to travel for business reason, not just for FKK business of buying sex, but for other businesses of mine LOL! Any of you mongers had any strong negative side effect after vaccination? I am shooting for Japanese one that should arrive by then or if not Pfizer one. I hear Astra zeneka one is worst followed by Moderna!

After speaking with doctors I know and when I finished my great Summer sporty tour on last week end with 2 Ventoux, I chose Jansen Johnson for only 1 dose on Thursday evening, planning to go to Sharks on Friday to test old lady and for my elegant. I didn't feel anything on injection, little pain on top of right arm at very short night, I never do anything on left arm which is warning about heart, but when under warm shower on morning, I started to feel so warm, not feeling sick but so warm and sweating when less than 10 degrees outside, what poison did they put inside me when I cleaned my lungs all over Summer, when usually less than 36 degrees for body, was higher than 39 at noon, thought they gave me covid, went for PCR which was planned to go to Sharks, in France get quite fast result, negative, on evening was less warm, went on Saturday morning despite Levi Finland ski Worldcup, good test for turbo when engine breathe fine, taking photos of real GPS speed pushing to nearly twice Swiss snails. Unfortunately, when my last visit was my best on Wednesday at Sharks, when Saturday is best casting day, but no elegant, frustrating, so I went for eleventh with full natural supermodel, always lovely, but 10 was maybe a better number, also went with glamourous full natural noticed on last visit, despite her very cold welcome: what do You want? Maybe she heard about white wolf, when she saw me before covid, but I never noticed her, but turned with nice behavior in bed, but I really missed level I created on this Summer with my elegant for 100/60 full GFE and real skill for BBBJ, when I never read about her, maybe because you have to respect her rhythm, not to pressure her, if you want to get her best which is on top of Globe level where she would be the most elegant. A miracle look, a woman in brothels.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2629262]After speaking with doctors I know and when I finished my great Summer sporty tour on last week end with 2 Ventoux, I chose Jansen Johnson for only 1 dose on Thursday evening, planning to go to Sharks on Friday to test old lady and for my elegant. I didn't feel anything on injection, little pain on top of right arm at very short night, I never do anything on left arm which is warning about heart, but when under warm shower on morning, I started to feel so warm, not feeling sick but so warm and sweating when less than 10 degrees outside, what poison did they put inside me when I cleaned my lungs all over Summer, when usually less than 36 degrees for body, was higher than 39 at noon, thought they gave me covid, went for PCR which was planned to go to Sharks, in France get quite fast result, negative, on evening was less warm, went on Saturday morning despite Levi Finland ski Worldcup, good test for turbo when engine breathe fine, taking photos of real GPS speed pushing to nearly twice Swiss snails. Unfortunately, when my last visit was my best on Wednesday at Sharks, when Saturday is best casting day, but no elegant, frustrating, so I went for eleventh with full natural supermodel, always lovely, but 10 was maybe a better number, also went with glamourous full natural noticed on last visit, despite her very cold welcome: what do You want? Maybe she heard about white wolf, when she saw me before covid, but I never noticed her, but turned with nice behavior in bed, but I really missed level I created on this Summer with my elegant for 100/60 full GFE and real skill for BBBJ, when I never read about her, maybe because you have to respect her rhythm, not to pressure her, if you want to get her best which is on top of Globe level where she would be the most elegant. A miracle look, a woman in brothels.[/QUOTE]The Johnson vaccine has adenovirus in it mixed with Covid. The FDA and Dr. F. now are telling people to get two Johnson doses. It is probably a matter of time before Germany tells people they need boosters.

Violent protests in Europe over COVID restrictions:

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59363256.amp[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2629417]Violent protests in Europe over COVID restrictions:

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59363256.amp[/URL][/QUOTE]Aside from FKK I don't see the big deal. People don't need to eat in restaurants instead they can use the drive through or walk up food ordering. They don't need haircuts. I have been doing fine with a Walmart clipper. I like wearing masks since it prevents security surveillance and also a lot of people have poor manners and don't cover their mouths when coughing or sneezing. In fact last year there was no flu season due to widespread mask usage.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2629417]Violent protests in Europe over COVID restrictions:

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59363256.amp[/URL][/QUOTE]They caused this restrictions, people are too selfish there to even follow simple thing like wearing mask and do not socialize as much, it is not in their culture to stay discipline and they do not even realize they did this themselves LOL!

And still doing it as if you look at them, they are not even wearing mask protesting and gathering in masses again LOL! They need to load up more I seriously LOL!

Also violence make things even worst for those who are surviving, I never get why people have to destroy innocent peoples shops and cars etc when they protest in West?

The biggest mistake in west was that, when they took vaccines, they took off masks and began living the same way as before covid, which lead to this! It is like they are punching their own face and still doing it LOL!

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2629024]Who know's, it does look like Covid vaccine will be compulsory for a foreigner to visit Europe.[/QUOTE]Not for top rated nations, but for me, it is not Europe that is my concern to get in, but it is other places that could be problem to get in and I must go certain time, so I cannot risk the possible tight restriction in emerging nation that I must go to!

All I need is PCR test to go to Europe, it has been so for most of pandemic, but why would I go with all these restrictions and above all, very high infection rate and death rate in Europe than where I am at!

GT will be missed even though the line up was limited I had few moments with very limited stunners that I found there, but I believe GT may come back after few years battle with insurance to get the money and new owner rebuilding the place as FKK license is too lucrative to ignore!

I think this GT fire could have been also negotiation with some kind of mob went wrong with new owners, so as a retaliation, voila! It is shady either way, isn't it? I think insurance won't easily pay this one LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2629413]The Johnson vaccine has adenovirus in it mixed with Covid. The FDA and Dr. F. now are telling people to get two Johnson doses. It is probably a matter of time before Germany tells people they need boosters.[/QUOTE]Pfizer need third dose when efficiency is lower than 50% after only 6 months. When I didn't want to lose strength for my Summer tour, I just need my pass now and wish not to be less healthy after my dose, when I rebuilt great health in the steep on my exceptional bicycle able to climb without turning my legs, on tris Summer.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2629632]Pfizer need third dose when efficiency is lower than 50% after only 6 months. When I didn't want to lose strength for my Summer tour, I just need my pass now and wish not to be less healthy after my dose, when I rebuilt great health in the steep on my exceptional bicycle able to climb without turning my legs, on tris Summer.[/QUOTE]Considering US presidents are taking Pfizer, if I were to take vaccine, I will choose Pfizer.

Hi, I am American that will be spending the holidays in Frankfurt. Has any ever been over Christmas and will they be open. Just trying to figure out what I should expect. Any info helps. Thanks.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2630512]Hi, I am American that will be spending the holidays in Frankfurt. Has any ever been over Christmas and will they be open. Just trying to figure out what I should expect. Any info helps. Thanks.[/QUOTE]During a "normal" Christmas, some clubs are open, but many close on 24 and / or 25 and / or 26 December. When open, don't expect a lot, most girls travel home as of mid December and return mid January. Of course, several are still there (especially in Sharks). In Corona times it will be even more challenging, but watch the clubs website for info. At least 2 G+ is required, so Vaccination / Cured AND negative Test (24/48 hours valid).

[QUOTE=Maxime;2630521]During a "normal" Christmas, some clubs are open, but many close on 24 and / or 25 and / or 26 December. When open, don't expect a lot, most girls travel home as of mid December and return mid January. Of course, several are still there (especially in Sharks). In Corona times it will be even more challenging, but watch the clubs website for info. At least 2 G+ is required, so Vaccination / Cured AND negatieve Test (24/48 hours valid).[/QUOTE]If I remember right, Sharks pay extra money to girls to stay for Christmas and new year!

Pfizer is just business, not anymore efficient versus delta after only 5 months. When France is not so down than Germany at the moment, but now third dose for older than 18 and if you don't have before 7 months after last dose, no more pass, meaning we have to be injected new dose every 6 months when older than 18 , worst than versus grippe only for older than 65 , great business when Pfizer was found by Turkish Germans Biontech. Never ending story, so I will keep on my own story.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2630512]Hi, I am American that will be spending the holidays in Frankfurt. Has any ever been over Christmas and will they be open. Just trying to figure out what I should expect. Any info helps. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Clubs should open if they are still allowed, Christmas party at Oase on 4 December, but after 15/20 December, most of best girls should return home until second mid January. Sylvester party, no information at the moment, but are to avoid when gay party with be team girls upselling. Wish for snow for ski for Christmas.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2629262]After speaking with doctors I know and when I finished my great Summer sporty tour on last week end with 2 Ventoux, I chose Jansen Johnson for only 1 dose on Thursday evening, planning to go to Sharks on Friday to test old lady and for my elegant. I didn't feel anything on injection, little pain on top of right arm at very short night, I never do anything on left arm which is warning about heart, but when under warm shower on morning, I started to feel so warm, not feeling sick but so warm and sweating when less than 10 degrees outside, what poison did they put inside me when I cleaned my lungs all over Summer, when usually less than 36 degrees for body, was higher than 39 at noon, thought they gave me covid, went for PCR which was planned to go to Sharks, in France get quite fast result, negative, on evening was less warm, went on Saturday morning despite Levi Finland ski Worldcup, good test for turbo when engine breathe fine, taking photos of real GPS speed pushing to nearly twice Swiss snails. Unfortunately, when my last visit was my best on Wednesday at Sharks, when Saturday is best casting day, but no elegant, frustrating, so I went for eleventh with full natural supermodel, always lovely, but 10 was maybe a better number, also went with glamourous full natural noticed on last visit, despite her very cold welcome: what do You want? Maybe she heard about white wolf, when she saw me before covid, but I never noticed her, but turned with nice behavior in bed, but I really missed level I created on this Summer with my elegant for 100/60 full GFE and real skill for BBBJ, when I never read about her, maybe because you have to respect her rhythm, not to pressure her, if you want to get her best which is on top of Globe level where she would be the most elegant. A miracle look, a woman in brothels.[/QUOTE]J&J v mRNA. I don't know. I got the J&J and had tinnitus for months. Can't prove a thing but suspicious nonetheless.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2630581]J&J v mRNA. I don't know. I got the J&J and had tinnitus for months. Can't prove a thing but suspicious nonetheless.[/QUOTE]I had my Pfizer booster shot at the end of October. After my second shot back in March I had some minor body aches the second day, went to sleep early and felt a little weak the next day. With the third shot, towards the evening, serious pain in the arm, body aches in muscles, especially legs, joints pain especially my knees. The body temperature varied next three days between 37.9 c (100.2 F) and 39.9 c (103.8 F). The temp would drop when I got up from the bed, but in about an hour I had to lay down again. Could not sleep first two nights because of pain in my arm and my knees. Have to mention I didn't take any pain medication to max the antibody levels. My headaches lasted almost a week and eventually I did take ibuprofen which took care of pain. Was exhausted for an entire week. I am in my 50's, healthy, enjoyed daily 3-4 orgasms with a few day breaks during my NRW trips in Aug and Sep. Today I feel sad because four years in a row before covid every Thanksgiving I was in Dusseldorf, Koln, or Wiesbaden enjoying my normal FKK program. Anyway, happy Thanksgiving my friends, it's time to save some money for horny 2022. Cheers!

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2630581]J&J v mRNA. I don't know. I got the J&J and had tinnitus for months. Can't prove a thing but suspicious nonetheless.[/QUOTE]After speaking with doctors, when I waited to finish my Summer sport because I don't trust, and chose JJ for only 1 dose after checking with doctors, to get my pass, and today, when EU is falling under fifth wave and panic, France decided third dose, second for me, will be compulsory for older than 18 before 7 months to keep pass. They want to make our body vaccine addict, when I hate medicines, curing myself on this Summer. Only feeling warm with more than 3 degrees more on next day, nothing more, but I don't trust when I lived as usual without until November. Now 2 doses per year?

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2630644]I had my Pfizer booster shot at the end of October. After my second shot back in March I had some minor body aches the second day, went to sleep early and felt a little weak the next day. With the third shot, towards the evening, serious pain in the arm, body aches in muscles, especially legs, joints pain especially my knees. The body temperature varied next three days between 37.9 c (100.2 F) and 39.9 c (103.8 F). The temp would drop when I got up from the bed, but in about an hour I had to lay down again. Could not sleep first two nights because of pain in my arm and my knees. Have to mention I didn't take any pain medication to max the antibody levels. My headaches lasted almost a week and eventually I did take ibuprofen which took care of pain. Was exhausted for an entire week. I am in my 50's, healthy, enjoyed daily 3-4 orgasms with a few day breaks during my NRW trips in Aug and Sep. Today I feel sad because four years in a row before covid every Thanksgiving I was in Dusseldorf, Koln, or Wiesbaden enjoying my normal FKK program. Anyway, happy Thanksgiving my friends, it's time to save some money for horny 2022. Cheers![/QUOTE]I don't understand how Ibuprophen will affect antibody levels? I think only corticosteroids or immunosuppresants will lower antibodies. However the above ordeal seems like an advertisement not to take the vaccine.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2630688]I don't understand how Ibuprophen will affect antibody levels? I think only corticosteroids or immunosuppresants will lower antibodies. However the above ordeal seems like an advertisement not to take the vaccine.[/QUOTE]I don't care about science behind antibody levels, I simply stayed away from taking any meds after the jab. Advertisement not to take the vaccine? Oh, no. I am 100 percent pro-vax. Hope everybody gets a jab. I feel good about doing it because it's my contribution to fight the horrible virus.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2630644]I had my Pfizer booster shot at the end of October. ...[/QUOTE]All vaccines lose efficiency in 6 - 9 months. I think so far they say Moderna's efficiency declines slowest. Interesting that many countries recommend mRNA booster even if vaccinated with J&J or AZ initially.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2630644]I had my Pfizer booster shot at the end of October. After my second shot back in March I had some minor body aches the second day, went to sleep early and felt a little weak the next day. With the third shot, towards the evening, serious pain in the arm, body aches in muscles, especially legs, joints pain especially my knees. The body temperature varied next three days between 37.9 c (100.2 F) and 39.9 c (103.8 F). The temp would drop when I got up from the bed, but in about an hour I had to lay down again. Could not sleep first two nights because of pain in my arm and my knees. Have to mention I didn't take any pain medication to max the antibody levels. My headaches lasted almost a week and eventually I did take ibuprofen which took care of pain. Was exhausted for an entire week. I am in my 50's, healthy, enjoyed daily 3-4 orgasms with a few day breaks during my NRW trips in Aug and Sep. Today I feel sad because four years in a row before covid every Thanksgiving I was in Dusseldorf, Koln, or Wiesbaden enjoying my normal FKK program. Anyway, happy Thanksgiving my friends, it's time to save some money for horny 2022. Cheers![/QUOTE]Your third Pfizer dose made more effects in your body than second, 39,9 degrees? Crazy. They want to kill our bodies, when I made so healthy powerful with my sport on this Summer before JJ dose. And now, other dose being compulsory to keep our pass valid in France and probably Germany when they are in worst situation, when seem South African one, stronger, is increasing. If I can reach Girose 3500 high glacier for my Christmas present, I will make a hole and stay there until I can take again my bicycle to climb up to highest ranked I love so much. There nobody to control my pass, but they should control to buy ski pass.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2630644]I had my Pfizer booster shot at the end of October. After my second shot back in March I had some minor body aches the second day, went to sleep early and felt a little weak the next day. With the third shot, towards the evening, serious pain in the arm, body aches in muscles, especially legs, joints pain especially my knees. The body temperature varied next three days between 37.9 c (100.2 F) and 39.9 c (103.8 F). The temp would drop when I got up from the bed, but in about an hour I had to lay down again. Could not sleep first two nights because of pain in my arm and my knees. Have to mention I didn't take any pain medication to max the antibody levels. My headaches lasted almost a week and eventually I did take ibuprofen which took care of pain. Was exhausted for an entire week. I am in my 50's, healthy, enjoyed daily 3-4 orgasms with a few day breaks during my NRW trips in Aug and Sep. Today I feel sad because four years in a row before covid every Thanksgiving I was in Dusseldorf, Koln, or Wiesbaden enjoying my normal FKK program. Anyway, happy Thanksgiving my friends, it's time to save some money for horny 2022. Cheers![/QUOTE]Your third Pfizer dose made more effects in your body than second, 39,9 degrees? Crazy. They want to kill our bodies, when I made so healthy powerful with my sport on this Summer before JJ dose. And now, other dose being compulsory to keep our pass valid in France and probably Germany when they are in worst situation, when seem South African one, stronger, is increasing. If I can reach Girose 3500 high glacier for my Christmas present, I will make a hole and stay there until I can take again my bicycle to climb up to highest ranked I love so much. There nobody to control my pass, but they may control to buy ski pass.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2630703]I don't care about science behind antibody levels, I simply stayed away from taking any meds after the jab. Advertisement not to take the vaccine? Oh, no. I am 100 percent pro-vax. Hope everybody gets a jab. I feel good about doing it because it's my contribution to fight the horrible virus.[/QUOTE]My understanding is it could possibly affect the bodies inflammatory response. I'm not a doctor but that is what ibuprophen generally does in layman terms and that is what a vaccine causes in layman terms.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2630815]All vaccines lose efficiency in 6 - 9 months. I think so far they say Moderna's efficiency declines slowest. Interesting that many countries recommend mRNA booster even if vaccinated with J&J or AZ initially.[/QUOTE]That's because the virus vector which infects your cells with the covid protein is an adenovirus and you make antibodies to the adenovirus vector. Thus, the second Johnson dose should not be effective since your body will neutralize the adenovirus in the Johnson vaccine and you will not have the adenovirus force your cells to produce covid proteins.

Again these vaccines are all fake and not real vaccines.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2630819]Your third Pfizer dose made more effects in your body than second, 39,9 degrees? Crazy.[/QUOTE]The first two doses of Pfizer had virtually no effect on me. But when I got the booster, I was down for two solid days! I had a fever, body aches all over, a headache, and got a painful swelling in my armpit on the side where I got the shot (this swelling of the lymph nodes is a known side effect). Well, my body's reaction proved I have the antibodies in me. So, as uncomfortable as I was for a couple of days, I'm happy to have strong protection against the virus, which I have yet to contract.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2630943]That's because the virus vector which infects your cells with the covid protein is an adenovirus and you make antibodies to the adenovirus vector. Thus, the second Johnson dose should not be effective since your body will neutralize the adenovirus in the Johnson vaccine and you will not have the adenovirus force your cells to produce covid proteins.

Again these vaccines are all fake and not real vaccines.[/QUOTE]Older than 50, I lived as usual, kissing and datying WGs weekly, and didn't need until November. I just want my pass and not to be sick because of vaccine I m pretty sure I don't need. Now we will have to take risk with 2 doses per year to keep our pass.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2630901]My understanding is it could possibly affect the bodies inflammatory response. I'm not a doctor but that is what ibuprophen generally does in layman terms and that is what a vaccine causes in layman terms.[/QUOTE]Inflammatory response is part of (specific) immune response but specific immune response is not part of the inflammatory process. NSAIDs such as ibuprofen reduce inflammation which has secondary effects on immune response. It may have some measurable reduction in triggering memory cells involved in future antibody production but theories that it may render vaccination ineffective is just hypothetical conjecture.

For future reference, paracetamol-acetaminophen could be used to alleviate post-vaccination symptoms of fever and body aches rather than NSAIDs to ensure proper immune response.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2631034]Inflammatory response is part of (specific) immune response but specific immune response is not part of the inflammatory process. NSAIDs such as ibuprofen reduce inflammation which has secondary effects on immune response. It may have some measurable reduction in triggering memory cells involved in future antibody production but theories that it may render vaccination ineffective is just hypothetical conjecture.

For future reference, paracetamol-acetaminophen could be used to alleviate post-vaccination symptoms of fever and body aches rather than NSAIDs to ensure proper immune response.[/QUOTE]Maybe they can get people to take the vaccine if they give out some oxycodone pills with it. Since there will be no anti-inflammatory response by oxycodone either.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2631052]Maybe they can get people to take the vaccine if they give out some oxycodone pills with it. Since there will be no anti-inflammatory response by oxycodone either.[/QUOTE]Probably yes.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2631034]Inflammatory response is part of (specific) immune response but specific immune response is not part of the inflammatory process. NSAIDs such as ibuprofen reduce inflammation which has secondary effects on immune response. It may have some measurable reduction in triggering memory cells involved in future antibody production but theories that it may render vaccination ineffective is just hypothetical conjecture.

For future reference, paracetamol-acetaminophen could be used to alleviate post-vaccination symptoms of fever and body aches rather than NSAIDs to ensure proper immune response.[/QUOTE]So you are saying to take aspirin before and during and after getting vaccinated with corona vaccines?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2630948]The first two doses of Pfizer had virtually no effect on me. But when I got the booster, I was down for two solid days! I had a fever, body aches all over, a headache, and got a painful swelling in my armpit on the side where I got the shot (this swelling of the lymph nodes is a known side effect). Well, my body's reaction proved I have the antibodies in me. So, as uncomfortable as I was for a couple of days, I'm happy to have strong protection against the virus, which I have yet to contract.[/QUOTE]Go to Germany, even though their infection and death rates are highest ever, they are having carnivals and people are gathering all over the pace! I do not know whether if Germans are smart or stupid with this irrational acts LOL!

I do not take vaccine as of this moment, but I pretty much stay in beside one or two lunch in good restaurants every two weeks! It is best protection, do not meet human!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2631117]Go to Germany, even though their infection and death rates are highest ever, they are having carnivals and people are gathering all over the pace! I do not know whether if Germans are smart or stupid with this irrational acts LOL!

I do not take vaccine as of this moment, but I pretty much stay in beside one or two lunch in good restaurants every two weeks! It is best protection, do not meet human![/QUOTE]Very important Munich Christmas market is cancelled, big loss of money. 2 G asked to enter restaurants, bars, museums. Riots in NL versus lockdown. Only problem is vaccines are not really efficient and I don t even say about Chinese which was told only around 50% efficiency, when Pfizer was told more than 90% efficiency, but we can see reality with new dose after only 5 months. When Israel is US cobaye, third dose for everybody and South African Omicron there, great result, when Israelians go everywhere in Western world, so they will bring us new gift and nothing about brothels.

Vaccines do not prevent you from getting covid, you still get covid even you are vaccinated, so you may survive, but you can give to other people who are more prone to have bad after result, I would say best is limit the movement, try to stay in, and wear masks, which seems to be hard thing to do in west, you tell them to do so, they go outside, gather to protest without masks shouting and breaking and set fire on things and robbing the store, what is that all about? LOL!

At the moment, Tokyo had under 30 infections per day for over one month everyday, which is good number for mega city, but we are expecting 6th wave to come and people are wearing masks still, we just block some flights again and it seems covid life style continue through out this winter, when will this end is what is on everyone's mind LOL!

Covid even took GT out of business, it was because of covid that they had to sell it even though owner apparently passed away and also the place got mysteriously got burnt afterward! But let see what will happen to GT after, it may even come back as better club than before as it was not good line up club, but I miss the garden fuck LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2631089]So you are saying to take aspirin before and during and after getting vaccinated with corona vaccines?[/QUOTE]Aspirin is an NSAID so no, paracetamol would be better if wanting to avoid muscle aches and fever.

[QUOTE=Mojoman74;2625871]Does anyone know if Aurelia, previously working in FKK Sharks and Club Globe, is still in the game? Would love to see her again.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2626174]She will be back in the game in Globe soon.[/QUOTE]She is back in Globe today.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2631412]Aspirin is an NSAID so no, paracetamol would be better if wanting to avoid muscle aches and fever.[/QUOTE]I thought aspirin calms down the inflammation?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2631720]I thought aspirin calms down the inflammation?[/QUOTE]Yes, but inflammation is part of the immune response which you theoretically don't want to suppress since the point of vaccination is to train the immune system.

Paracetamol addresses pain and fever without reducing inflammation.

That being said, it's theoretical as there are not enough studies to show that those non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) actually thwarts the training of antibody producing B_cells or cytotoxic T_cells when reducing general inflammation.

Hello,

I will visit Munich for Christmas time. 17th-25th, any Good FKK do you suggest in Munich? Price / hhr?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2631089]So you are saying to take aspirin before and during and after getting vaccinated with corona vaccines?[/QUOTE]Yepp, he is long gone from our world of sanity. The guy is a medical fool.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2630943]That's because the virus vector which infects your cells with the covid protein is an adenovirus and you make antibodies to the adenovirus vector. Thus, the second Johnson dose should not be effective since your body will neutralize the adenovirus in the Johnson vaccine and you will not have the adenovirus force your cells to produce covid proteins.

Again these vaccines are all fake and not real vaccines.[/QUOTE]So you are saying that I made the right decision not to take the vaccine so far then LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2631849]Yepp, he is long gone from our world of sanity. The guy is a medical fool.[/QUOTE]And there are people who are just fools.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2630943]That's because the virus vector which infects your cells with the covid protein is an adenovirus and you make antibodies to the adenovirus vector. Thus, the second Johnson dose should not be effective since your body will neutralize the adenovirus in the Johnson vaccine and you will not have the adenovirus force your cells to produce covid proteins.

Again these vaccines are all fake and not real vaccines.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrHo;2631872]So you are saying that I made the right decision not to take the vaccine so far then LOL![/QUOTE]That's not how 2nd introduction works. On second exposure, adenovirus vector will be degraded but immunogenic contents will still be released and immune response will still be elicited. Don't let the people with social-political agendas influence your scientific judgement.

[QUOTE=LoveGirls60;2631768]Hello,

I will visit Munich for Christmas time. 17th-25th, any Good FKK do you suggest in Munich? Price / hhr?[/QUOTE]Not sure open in Bavaria when high rate for cases.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2631761]Yes, but inflammation is part of the immune response which you theoretically don't want to suppress since the point of vaccination is to train the immune system.

Paracetamol addresses pain and fever without reducing inflammation.

That being said, it's theoretical as there are not enough studies to show that those non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) actually thwarts the training of antibody producing B_cells or cytotoxic T_cells when reducing general inflammation.[/QUOTE]But fucking Tom Brady spend all his free time off the pitch taking down his inflammation as medical world claim inflammation is not good thing and cause many diseases.

I personally treat my self with best anti inflammation therapy and treatment called BBBJ treatment, my penis get so big like inflammation and when young beautiful stunner gives me dose of BBBJ treatment, the bacteria of young beautiful stunners mouth act as anti inflammatory and I explode the white liquid in her mouth, then my enlarged penis calms down again, it is the best inflammatory treatment I know and it only cost 50 euro for BBBJ treatment and 50 euro extra for exploding in her mouth, it is called Big Bang extra fee LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2632157]But fucking Tom Brady spend all his free time off the pitch taking down his inflammation as medical world claim inflammation is not good thing and cause many diseases.

I personally treat my self with best anti inflammation therapy and treatment called BBBJ treatment, my penis get so big like inflammation and when young beautiful stunner gives me dose of BBBJ treatment, the bacteria of young beautiful stunners mouth act as anti inflammatory and I explode the white liquid in her mouth, then my enlarged penis calms down again, it is the best inflammatory treatment I know and it only cost 50 euro for BBBJ treatment and 50 euro extra for exploding in her mouth, it is called Big Bang extra fee LOL![/QUOTE]All dicking around aside, inflammation is the basis of disease but also contributes to immunity. Downer statements for serious topics.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2632188]All dicking around aside, inflammation is the basis of disease but also contributes to immunity. Downer statements for serious topics.[/QUOTE]All dicking around aside? Dick is the most important organ to stay alive as a man and it is central commanding stick for mens happiness, you insert that dick organ in the ass, pussy or mouth of beautiful young stunners around the world, the magic happens and you become complete as a made man, it is made man status thing LOL!

Inflammation contribute to immunity? So you are saying bit of everything is good and even bit of inflammation is required?

I do like spot using medicine and I have bunch of medicine that I spot use and I take weekly baby aspirin to give my body a break, I take it every 7 to 10 days as that is how long it stays in your system as functioning property! I ain't talking about half life!

Other day, I took some anti depression medicine to spice up the day that I also spot take like every 10 days and wow, it gave me crazy libido and erection somehow and it is not cialis LOL! Apparently it did something good to the balance of my seretonin, dopamin and noradrenaline that lead to libido and erection like I am on cialis LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2632157]But fucking Tom Brady spend all his free time off the pitch taking down his inflammation as medical world claim inflammation is not good thing and cause many diseases.

I personally treat my self with best anti inflammation therapy and treatment called BBBJ treatment, my penis get so big like inflammation and when young beautiful stunner gives me dose of BBBJ treatment, the bacteria of young beautiful stunners mouth act as anti inflammatory and I explode the white liquid in her mouth, then my enlarged penis calms down again, it is the best inflammatory treatment I know and it only cost 50 euro for BBBJ treatment and 50 euro extra for exploding in her mouth, it is called Big Bang extra fee LOL![/QUOTE]Haha Ho that was fucking funny! Good one. Def need some good treatment to get that zit of urs to pop! LOL.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2632188]All dicking around aside, inflammation is the basis of disease but also contributes to immunity. Downer statements for serious topics.[/QUOTE]Don't forget about putting spine in alignment which can be done on a girl in variety of ways as describe by renown gymnast doctors.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2630581]J&J v mRNA. I don't know. I got the J&J and had tinnitus for months. Can't prove a thing but suspicious nonetheless.[/QUOTE][URL]https://news.illinoisstate.edu/2021/10/tinnitus-and-covid-19-infection-and-vaccination-is-there-a-connection/[/URL]

One study found that 23.2% of individuals experienced tinnitus after their COVID-19 diagnosis, most commonly described as recurrent or occasional. It was suggested that this may be due to inflammation of the blood vessels supplying the inner ear. Another study found that 40% of individuals with preexisting tinnitus felt that their tinnitus was exacerbated after experiencing COVID-19 symptoms.

One study reported that about one in 14,700 people reported tinnitus after vaccination.

End of quote.

LOL. That one in 15,000 study is the one that pops up if you use google. I searched duckduckgo and got the more complete result.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2632218]Haha Ho that was fucking funny! Good one. Def need some good treatment to get that zit of urs to pop! LOL.[/QUOTE]Try Dr Ho's BBBJ inflammation therapy, but it only works well with beautiful stunners bacteria in her moth and tongue via penis head or anal tissue of yours only, so be sure to pick the provider of BBBJ therapy or your penis won't get inflammation, be aware of those magic light at main lounge area of Clinic FKK, those magic lights are dangerous lights to deceive your patients LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2631872]So you are saying that I made the right decision not to take the vaccine so far then LOL![/QUOTE]This is the right decision if you want this pandemic to last forever.

What is this condom? Is it 0. 01 mm?

I want to get 0.01 mm condom in Japan from sagami, but size large do not fit me and they do not make extra large size and I am looking for other 0. 01 mm condom from foreign nations, but there are not any!

Is this Trojan bareskin condom 0. 01 mm?

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[QUOTE=LoveGirls60;2631768]Hello,

I will visit Munich for Christmas time. 17th-25th, any Good FKK do you suggest in Munich? Price / hhr?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately in Bavaria all legal fuck places already closed. Bad for women:

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[QUOTE=MrHo;2632199]All dicking around aside? Dick is the most important organ to stay alive as a man and it is central commanding stick for mens happiness, you insert that dick organ in the ass, pussy or mouth of beautiful young stunners around the world, the magic happens and you become complete as a made man, it is made man status thing LOL!

Inflammation contribute to immunity? So you are saying bit of everything is good and even bit of inflammation is required?

I do like spot using medicine and I have bunch of medicine that I spot use and I take weekly baby aspirin to give my body a break, I take it every 7 to 10 days as that is how long it stays in your system as functioning property! I ain't talking about half life!

Other day, I took some anti depression medicine to spice up the day that I also spot take like every 10 days and wow, it gave me crazy libido and erection somehow and it is not cialis LOL! Apparently it did something good to the balance of my seretonin, dopamin and noradrenaline that lead to libido and erection like I am on cialis LOL![/QUOTE]Yes yes, dick happiness is one component of overall happiness. But it doesn't work alone. You stick that dick in a man's ass and would you still be as happy? My brain and my dick are forever partners in crime.

Inflammation is the first step in activating an immune response, so yes it is required. But it's also the basis of most the vaccine side effects people feel. But without some inflammation, the memory part of your immune system that selects for antibody producing cells is never activated. Too much inflammation and you feel shitty, or worse. That's my criticism of the current western vaccines, too high a dose at one time when it should have probably been multiple lower dosages administered over longer time intervals.

Baby aspirin (81 MG) taken once a week probably doesn't do much of anything. At that dose, it's meant to be taken every day for it's anti platelet properties (prevents primitive "clots" in heart vessels as to prevent heart attacks). But that's low dose taken everyday. To reduce inflammation once in a while, you need a 162 MG or 325 MG dose.

A one time dose of a true antidepressant shouldn't result in a difference that you can feel. They take 1-2 weeks to work. If anything, a real anti-depressant suppresses an erection. Are you sure you didn't take an anti-anxiety pill or something? Like a Benzodiazepine / Xanax?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2632341]What is this condom? Is it 0. 01 mm?

I want to get 0.01 mm condom in Japan from sagami, but size large do not fit me and they do not make extra large size and I am looking for other 0. 01 mm condom from foreign nations, but there are not any!

Is this Trojan bareskin condom 0. 01 mm?

[URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=Trojan[/URL]+Bareskin+condoms&rlz=1 C1 HVJB_enJP908 JP908&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.[/QUOTE]Try these. And feel [B]everything[/B]!

[URL]https://skynfeel.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2631872]So you are saying that I made the right decision not to take the vaccine so far then LOL![/QUOTE]Only for me, not an advice, but I worry more about vaccine than covid. I really don t like to have more than 3 degrees more in my body. I was really right to wait to finish my sport.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2632341]What is this condom? Is it 0. 01 mm?

I want to get 0.01 mm condom in Japan from sagami, but size large do not fit me and they do not make extra large size and I am looking for other 0. 01 mm condom from foreign nations, but there are not any!

Is this Trojan bareskin condom 0. 01 mm?

[URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=Trojan[/URL]+Bareskin+condoms&rlz=1 C1 HVJB_enJP908 JP908&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.[/QUOTE]I would suggest you get your hands on Pasante Unique condoms. They are only available online. They are amazingly thin and large enough for pretty much anybody. They are worth a try if your having size issues. Only problem is the girls in the FKK clubs tend to refuse the use of those from time to time.

[URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/122547245575?hash=item1c88629207:g:He4AAOSw3ndgiADL[/URL]

I broke the pasante two times. Never broke a skyn.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2632414]Try these. And feel [B]everything[/B]!

[URL]https://skynfeel.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]No one makes those 01's but the Japanese. And yes the Large are still too tight. BareSkins feel pretty good but are nowhere near as thin and are latex still which some girls don't love. Skyn feels better than BareSkin and is non latex and comes in XL. So I agree with Cane. Try Skyn elite XL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2632414]Try these. And feel [B]everything[/B]!

[URL]https://skynfeel.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Ok, I try to get them on amazon and try them out next time! But is it at least 0. 02 mm if it is not 0. 01 mm?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2632554]No one makes those 01's but the Japanese. And yes the Large are still too tight. BareSkins feel pretty good but are nowhere near as thin and are latex still which some girls don't love. Skyn feels better than BareSkin and is non latex and comes in XL. So I agree with Cane. Try Skyn elite XL.[/QUOTE]Right, too tight is the right word, length is ok as I like putting condom only on tip of my dick, but it is too tight still at size large, so I am looking for some condom that is 0. 02 mm as 0. 01 mm sagami is out of question due to size!

I read somewhere that there is a condom called billy boy in Germany that is thin, but is that 0. 02 mm?

I hope they find some other method rather than rubber hat on dick as I love bareback LOL! At least BBBJ is on the table in Germany!

I still have not taken it as nobody know the long term affect and I control who I meet and I am not out in crowd since pandemic, but I may have to take it next year if I have to travel for business! I wait till next spring to see how it turns out and this new variant can be good news if the symptom is not strong! But we will see!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2632341]What is this condom? Is it 0. 01 mm?

I want to get 0.01 mm condom in Japan from sagami, but size large do not fit me and they do not make extra large size and I am looking for other 0. 01 mm condom from foreign nations, but there are not any!

Is this Trojan bareskin condom 0. 01 mm?

[URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=Trojan[/URL]+Bareskin+condoms&rlz=1 C1 HVJB_enJP908 JP908&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.[/QUOTE]Trojan Bareskins are 0.046 mm.

Skynfeel is 0.065.

Try:

[URL]https://aonicondoms.com/[/URL]

The problem with original Sagami is that the original ones are not latex so it's nearly impossible to put on. If you successfully do, it feels like you're being strangled.

These Aoni condoms are 0.036 mm but as far as I know that is still the world's thinnest latex condoms. I'll never use a polyurethane or polyisoprene condom again even if it's thinner, too much trouble to put them on.

The size issue isn't necessary a size issue. I think it's more of a stretch problem with those non-latex condoms.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2632445]Only for me, not an advice, but I worry more about vaccine than covid. I really don t like to have more than 3 degrees more in my body. I was really right to wait to finish my sport.[/QUOTE]How long did it take for your temperature to return to normal?

I think the Johnson vaccine will require a messenger RNA booster in 6 months so this will probably happen again for the second shot. Or the reports are that Moderna is working on a Omicron booster which everyone will have to take instead ASAP.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2632471]I would suggest you get your hands on Pasante Unique condoms. They are only available online. They are amazingly thin and large enough for pretty much anybody. They are worth a try if your having size issues. Only problem is the girls in the FKK clubs tend to refuse the use of those from time to time.

[URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/122547245575?hash=item1c88629207:g:He4AAOSw3ndgiADL[/URL][/QUOTE]It said Pasante through this ebay link "may not ship to USA".

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2632398]Yes yes, dick happiness is one component of overall happiness. But it doesn't work alone. You stick that dick in a man's ass and would you still be as happy? My brain and my dick are forever partners in crime.

Inflammation is the first step in activating an immune response, so yes it is required. But it's also the basis of most the vaccine side effects people feel. But without some inflammation, the memory part of your immune system that selects for antibody producing cells is never activated. Too much inflammation and you feel shitty, or worse. That's my criticism of the current western vaccines, too high a dose at one time when it should have probably been multiple lower dosages administered over longer time intervals.

Baby aspirin (81 MG) taken once a week probably doesn't do much of anything. At that dose, it's meant to be taken every day for it's anti platelet properties (prevents primitive "clots" in heart vessels as to prevent heart attacks). But that's low dose taken everyday. To reduce inflammation once in a while, you need a 162 MG or 325 MG dose.[/QUOTE]I took anti anxiety pill right, it also said it takes 2 or 3 weeks to work, but mine worked at once, so I spot take it sometime now LOL! It boosted my libido! I am not anxious, or depress so either pill for me is the same, but for medics, it maybe different! But these thing work for me as spot use and I do not want to take it regularly for one week or so, I like to stay medicine free and use them on spot so it works! It is like a occasional drink for me as I do not drink alcohol!

To be or not to be a monger, that is the question and my answer is yes because I prefer to fuck multiple young beautiful stunner from around world than end up fucking some old woman that society enforce on some sorry ass men, those women are called wives LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2632734]To be or not to be a monger, that is the question and my answer is yes because I prefer to fuck multiple young beautiful stunner from around world than end up fucking some old woman that society enforce on some sorry ass men, those women are called wives LOL![/QUOTE]Mr. Ho one day I hope to visit Japan, and when I do, I hope you can be the intermediary to help set me up as a foreigner with a beautiful, Eurasian, Japanese adult video star through a delivery health service in Tokyo! I will need local help, and would compensate you by paying for a nice meal somewhere or something. Thing is, the cost is expensive. I was looking at one last night (don't remember which service), and they wanted like 110,000 yen for 90 minutes or so with that Eurasian beauty! Well, if you're going to monger in Japan and you want the best, then you better be ready to pay up! And you better have some inside help LOL! I don't want to go to a "soapy". No, I want a delivery health service Eurasian tute like Mr. Ho goes for! LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2632814]Mr. Ho one day I hope to visit Japan, and when I do, I hope you can be the intermediary to help set me up as a foreigner with a beautiful, Eurasian, Japanese adult video star through a delivery health service in Tokyo! I will need local help, and would compensate you by paying for a nice meal somewhere or something. Thing is, the cost is expensive. I was looking at one last night (don't remember which service), and they wanted like 110,000 yen for 90 minutes or so with that Eurasian beauty! Well, if you're going to monger in Japan and you want the best, then you better be ready to pay up! And you better have some inside help LOL! I don't want to go to a "soapy". No, I want a delivery health service Eurasian tute like Mr. Ho goes for! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]What about this place?

[URL]http://panchira-jk.kir.jp/[/URL]

How are things at FKK Feigenblatt? It used to be my small go-to when I didn't feel like going to one of the bigger places.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2632814]Mr. Ho one day I hope to visit Japan, and when I do, I hope you can be the intermediary to help set me up as a foreigner with a beautiful, Eurasian, Japanese adult video star through a delivery health service in Tokyo! I will need local help, and would compensate you by paying for a nice meal somewhere or something. Thing is, the cost is expensive. I was looking at one last night (don't remember which service), and they wanted like 110,000 yen for 90 minutes or so with that Eurasian beauty! Well, if you're going to monger in Japan and you want the best, then you better be ready to pay up! And you better have some inside help LOL! I don't want to go to a "soapy". No, I want a delivery health service Eurasian tute like Mr. Ho goes for! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]As some of posters mentioned before, many or most of brothel or escort like service have restriction on foreigners, but I know few places that provide service to foreigners with foreigner price which is little more higher. Eurasians are scarce here, but good thing is that we have decrease in birth rate that cannot be fixed, so we begin to open the door for immigration, so for the country, it is tax paying work force, but for monger like me, it is my future hybrid sex workers for me to fuck LOL! Unfortunately, these immigrants are mostly from Asia, but we have few from other nations and I must say one of the best looking Eurasian I did is actually half Pakistani and half Japanese wow she was a beauty and also not in Japan, but in Manila, I did half Saudi and half Philippines tute and she had beautiful exotic face too, so not only white and Asian comes with beautiful exotic Eurasian stunner, I do taste the best of all world LOL!

Ette.

Sure, and you do not have to pay me for nice meal for that, but it will be difficult task and for foreigner to monger securely as in definitely getting Eurasians, it is better in manila even though it is also scarce to find Eurasian there also, but I found quite many in one single night from first night after going to few KTV, you know how that works there with KTV LOL! US military bases were there in Philippines, so many soldiers fucked around and leaving babies who turned up in KTV 18 years later for us to taste, I would say Philippines is the Eurasian mecca for mongers LOL! Tokyo has them too, and some better quality, but it is scarce to find and these service has foreigner restrictions as you are not supposed to penetrate and some foreigners tried and tried etc and they just put restrictions.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2632584]Trojan Bareskins are 0.046 mm.

Skynfeel is 0.065.

Try:

[URL]https://aonicondoms.com/[/URL]

The problem with original Sagami is that the original ones are not latex so it's nearly impossible to put on. If you successfully do, it feels like you're being strangled.

These Aoni condoms are 0.036 mm but as far as I know that is still the world's thinnest latex condoms. I'll never use a polyurethane or polyisoprene condom again even if it's thinner, too much trouble to put them on.

The size issue isn't necessary a size issue. I think it's more of a stretch problem with those non-latex condoms.[/QUOTE]0.036 mm and they call it aoni001 ? LOL! Trying to hustle the market? LOL! Only Japan's Sagami has know how to make these 0. 01 mm condom huh? And they only make size L at their max size and width do not fit me and works to me as some kind of dick torturing device LOL! I was hoping it work as dick ring, but it was too tight LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2632910]Sure, and you do not have to pay me for nice meal for that, but it will be difficult task and for foreigner to monger securely as in definitely getting Eurasians, it is better in manila even though it is also scarce to find Eurasian there also, but I found quite many in one single night from first night after going to few KTV, you know how that works there with KTV LOL! US military bases were there in Philippines, so many soldiers fucked around and leaving babies who turned up in KTV 18 years later for us to taste, I would say Philippines is the Eurasian mecca for mongers LOL! Tokyo has them too, and some better quality, but it is scarce to find and these service has foreigner restrictions as you are not supposed to penetrate and some foreigners tried and tried etc and they just put restrictions.[/QUOTE]I actually had my best luck in Thailand where I found one Eurasian hottie in Bangkok and another one in Phuket (did not find one in Pattaya and no luck in the Philippines). The one in Phuket was one of the most beautiful women I have ever been with in my entire life anywhere on this planet. I fantasized of putting an "Amerasian" baby inside of her and joked with her about getting her preggers LOL! She was like a Thai Jennifer Anniston (but with dark hair). Mamasan knew she had a rare "white tiger" prancing on her stage LOL! Anyway, enough about Eurasians! How about some "pure" European tutes in Germany hahaha!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2632916]I actually had my best luck in Thailand where I found one Eurasian hottie in Bangkok and another one in Phuket (did not find one in Pattaya and no luck in the Philippines). The one in Phuket was one of the most beautiful women I have ever been with in my entire life anywhere on this planet. I fantasized of putting an "Amerasian" baby inside of her and joked with her about getting her preggers LOL! She was like a Thai Jennifer Anniston (but with dark hair). Mamasan knew she had a rare "white tiger" prancing on her stage LOL! Anyway, enough about Eurasians! How about some "pure" European tutes in Germany hahaha![/QUOTE]We got the European white tutes stunners level covered thanks to FKK and also good escort service, but Eurasian every where is rare bleed actually and I also had luck in Artemis when I found one half German half Vietnamese beauty, she was real beautiful girl and thanks to American attacking Vietnam and fuck up the nation, her family must have immigrated to Germany and she was born there as half bleed between Vietnam and German and end up being penetrated by almighty monger Dr Ho LOL!

Thailand and Eurasians? I know some non pro Eurasian girls in Thailand, but I never knew you can find Eurasian prostitute quite easily enough in Thailand! Next time I am in Bangkok which I have to go in next few years, I will be sure to look for half white, half Thai stunner prostitute somewhere in Bangkok brothel! I have been to Thailand, but I never mongered there and looking forward to it, but I feel I will do all night brothel hopping like I did in Manila, but I found quite number of Eurasians in manila KTV after some hard search, it is good that taxi is so cheap there in manila LOL!

As for European stunner tutes that I do love the best, I am glad that German made FKK system that is such an amazing platform to echoes in eternity I think, in the worst case, Switzerland being most capitalist money loving nations will never will ban FKK system LOL! In general, Germany and Switzerland are so liberal and flexible and reasonable that made this FKK style brothel happened and it is here to stay I think!

As for Brazil, if the income tax is cheaper, I would not mind living there, but as you once said, it is too dangerous for monger to live close by to these FKK style therma style brothel available nations, especially living in those nation because we will be going every two days LOL, so we need at least like 10 million us dollars cash to feel relief to go everyday for us to actually live in those nations with relief LOL! Because I will be tempted to go everyday and I will end up going every two days so I need about 500 euro every 2 days to spend for rest of my life to live in the nation with FKK or therma style brothel LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2632814]Mr. Ho one day I hope to visit Japan, and when I do, I hope you can be the intermediary to help set me up as a foreigner with a beautiful, Eurasian, Japanese adult video star through a delivery health service in Tokyo! I will need local help, and would compensate you by paying for a nice meal somewhere or something. Thing is, the cost is expensive. I was looking at one last night (don't remember which service), and they wanted like 110,000 yen for 90 minutes or so with that Eurasian beauty! Well, if you're going to monger in Japan and you want the best, then you better be ready to pay up! And you better have some inside help LOL! I don't want to go to a "soapy". No, I want a delivery health service Eurasian tute like Mr. Ho goes for! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]To find a real geisha, but Japan is closed.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2632944]We got the European white tutes stunners level covered thanks to FKK and also good escort service, but Eurasian every where is rare blend actually and I also had luck in Artemis when I found one half German half Vietnamese beauty, she was real beautiful girl and thanks to American attacking Vietnam and fuck up the nation, her family must have immigrated to Germany and she was born there as half bleed between Vietnam and German and end up being penetrated by almighty monger Dr Ho LOL![/QUOTE]You just have a way of putting things! LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2633159]You just have a way of putting things! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]I have been meaning to check this out one day: Japan Girls ad in Cologne:

[URL]http://www.6relax.de/club_girls/name/japangirls_in_k%f6ln/kategorie/girls/from_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_a/girl_185427[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2633159]You just have a way of putting things! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]Rational thinking senpai cane, rational thinking, and there are some truth in what I wrote as there are reasons behind everything and it really is butterfly affect, but ultimately, these stunner beautiful girls bad decision turned out to be good decision for us mongers LOL!

I believe I can fly, I believe I can touch the sky said are and be singer are Kelly, well he did not fly to fuck, but we did, so he in jail and we are out here with our flying swinging penis across the sea to penetrate into these girls amazing pussies without going to jail or paying price for it beside 50 euro per 30 min LOL!

Next time at the passport control, I be like, my name is 50, Notorious 50 Euro LOL! Because I am 50 Euro kind of guy LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2633365]I have been meaning to check this out one day: Japan Girls ad in Cologne:

[URL]http://www.6relax.de/club_girls/name/japangirls_in_k%f6ln/kategorie/girls/from_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_a/girl_185427[/URL][/QUOTE]Japanese Coco at Amesia ex Bumsalp, but not a attractive geisha.

I have recently acquired an unlocked GSM internet hotspot and my phone does not work in Europe at all.

So does anyone have any information on what prepaid sims I can put in my hotspot and then use it to get internet for a cheap price?

After reading some very helpful reports I moved my trip from December 20th to this weekend. I will arrive the 12th hopeful that the clubs will still be open and that most girls will still be in attendance before heading home for the holidays.

I will only have two days in Frankfurt so I will have to make the best of this trip.

If you had to rank the FKK clubs from beat to worst what would be your opinions. I know that I really want to visit sharks. That's #1 on my list after reading all the great reports.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2634923]If you had to rank the FKK clubs from beat to worst what would be your opinions. I know that I really want to visit sharks. That's #1 on my list after reading all the great reports.[/QUOTE]Oase and Palace would be on my list. If you're set on doing Sharks and you only have two days, I say do Sharks and Oase.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2634923]After reading some very helpful reports I moved my trip from December 20th to this weekend. I will arrive the 12th hopeful that the clubs will still be open and that most girls will still be in attendance before heading home for the holidays.

I will only have two days in Frankfurt so I will have to make the best of this trip.

If you had to rank the FKK clubs from beat to worst what would be your opinions. I know that I really want to visit sharks. That's #1 on my list after reading all the great reports.[/QUOTE]Dietzenbach.

Village.

Rom.

Entry at Sharks is 50 on Sunday before 2 pm.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2634923]After reading some very helpful reports I moved my trip from December 20th to this weekend. I will arrive the 12th hopeful that the clubs will still be open and that most girls will still be in attendance before heading home for the holidays.

I will only have two days in Frankfurt so I will have to make the best of this trip.

If you had to rank the FKK clubs from beat to worst what would be your opinions. I know that I really want to visit sharks. That's #1 on my list after reading all the great reports.[/QUOTE]Some of them celebrate Christmas on a different day which I believe is sometime in January for Eastern Catholics.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2634931]Oase and Palace would be on my list. If you're set on doing Sharks and you only have two days, I say do Sharks and Oase.[/QUOTE]Oase and Palace are very different clubs than pre-covid. Line ups may extremely disappoint.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2634949]Some of them celebrate Christmas on a different day which I believe is sometime in January for Eastern Catholics.[/QUOTE]Yeah, January 7th for Orthodox Christians.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2634923]After reading some very helpful reports I moved my trip from December 20th to this weekend. I will arrive the 12th hopeful that the clubs will still be open and that most girls will still be in attendance before heading home for the holidays.

I will only have two days in Frankfurt so I will have to make the best of this trip.

If you had to rank the FKK clubs from beat to worst what would be your opinions. I know that I really want to visit sharks. That's #1 on my list after reading all the great reports.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a good move although it is probably already a pretty light line up. Assuming no closures, I think it will be a sad scene until at least the middle of January. It will only get worse the later one goes in December.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2634967]Yeah, January 7th for Orthodox Christians.[/QUOTE]Only for orthodox christians in Russia. Romanians have the normal days for Christmas and New Year. Different orthodox church.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2634969]Sounds like a good move although it is probably already a pretty light line up. Assuming no closures, I think it will be a sad scene until at least the middle of January. It will only get worse the later one goes in December.[/QUOTE]Give the man some hope for his FKK trip that he is about to take instead of informing him about possible light line up, closure and sad scene! In the worst case, there always is the emergency package every man have called right or left hand LOL! And WIFI, pc and knowing appropriate URL helps LOL!

Russian invasion -- if it happens -- would have "disastrous" consequences for the whole of European continent, with an estimated 4 to 5 million Ukrainians possibly needing to seek refuge in Europe.

Most likely, Germany being the most left will help these Ukrainian beautiful girls!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2635148]Only for orthodox christians in Russia. Romanians have the normal days for Christmas and New Year. Different orthodox church.[/QUOTE]True. Guess Russian Christmas wouldn't matter much on this forum anyway.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2635153]Give the man some hope for his FKK trip that he is about to take instead of informing him about possible light line up, closure and sad scene! In the worst case, there always is the emergency package every man have called right or left hand LOL! And WIFI, pc and knowing appropriate URL helps LOL![/QUOTE]Well I said it was a good decision that he moved it earlier as it will definitely become terrible over Christmas without bonuses / free entry for girls to keep them working over the holidays. He is going to see a better line up now than he would if he went later in the month.

As for giving hope, why set a another human up for disappointment when all sources already say it's already declining. What, are we grown men looking for a Santa Christmas miracle? If hope was to be had, I would give it, after all, I think I am the single person explicitly predicting that things will be okay in Germany this winter, at least better than the last.

But when the cards are laid out, and girls are leaving without new ones coming in, I'll tell it like it is. Maybe he'll make the pivot to Switzerland after factoring the intel.

How is the situation in NRW and especially Dusseldorf now? I'm planning a trip this week. Are the FKK / saunaclubs still open? Is a vaccine certificate sufficient or do I have to do a test as well? At least the incident seems to be still below 350 in this area.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2635359]How is the situation in NRW and especially Dusseldorf now? I'm planning a trip this week. Are the FKK / saunaclubs still open? Is a vaccine certificate sufficient or do I have to do a test as well? At least the incident seems to be still below 350 in this area.[/QUOTE]The situation is like GT is on fire! Literally LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2635315]Well I said it was a good decision that he moved it earlier as it will definitely become terrible over Christmas without bonuses / free entry for girls to keep them working over the holidays. He is going to see a better line up now than he would if he went later in the month.

As for giving hope, why set a another human up for disappointment when all sources already say it's already declining. What, are we grown men looking for a Santa Christmas miracle? If hope was to be had, I would give it, after all, I think I am the single person explicitly predicting that things will be okay in Germany this winter, at least better than the last.

But when the cards are laid out, and girls are leaving without new ones coming in, I'll tell it like it is. Maybe he'll make the pivot to Switzerland after factoring the intel.[/QUOTE]It maybe better to go with low expectation and be surprised with positive result that is possible! Like forest said, you never know what inside until you open the box of chocolate LOL! Same with FKK or life LOL!

On sunny side, every time I went to FKK Artemis during low season of summer vacation when girls supposed to go home, I hit the jack pot of many German stunners and got my ass licked LOL! So the hope is there, it is only that it is winter low season before Christmas plus corona LOL!

And remember what you did with it too! Hahaha!

[URL]https://www.sciencealert.com/giant-study-finds-viagra-is-linked-to-almost-70-lower-risk-of-alzheimer-s/amp[/URL]

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2635148]Only for orthodox christians in Russia. Romanians have the normal days for Christmas and New Year. Different orthodox church.[/QUOTE]So one of those religion is getting the date wrong for centuries LOL!

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2635359]How is the situation in NRW and especially Dusseldorf now? I'm planning a trip this week. Are the FKK / saunaclubs still open? Is a vaccine certificate sufficient or do I have to do a test as well? At least the incident seems to be still below 350 in this area.[/QUOTE]Most of brothels are open with 2 G+. GT is at Oceans.

Thank you guys for your input and opinions. I am not going in with the mindset that I will get the best lineups FKK have to offer. I know with Covid and this time of year it's very unlikely I will have the greatest experience but I do know in times like this you can always find great deals and sometimes a few hidden gems. Honestly I'm already in contact with a few non working girls from hinge that sound like they might be able to offer me more service than any FKK could (helps being 6'7 and a basketball player).

I land in Frankfurt Sunday around 4 pm and set up a hinge meet up at 6 for dinner and drinks. If things don't end up going good I will most likely spend the rest of my night at either oase or palace.

Monday I will be at sharks all day (first few rounds of drinks on me). I am excited about sharks even if it's slow. Hopefully I can find a few girls to my likings.

Side note. Afyer a few trips to Asia and being spoiled by living so close to Tijuana when I'm back home in the states I am now a fan of women liking my ass. How often do girls allow this as an extra service at FKK or does it just depend on the girl and circumstances.

I will be sure to write a very detailed report after this trip. Have my notepad and pen ready. Happy mongering fellas!!

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2635545]Thank you guys for your input and opinions. I am not going in with the mindset that I will get the best lineups FKK have to offer. I know with Covid and this time of year it's very unlikely I will have the greatest experience but I do know in times like this you can always find great deals and sometimes a few hidden gems. Honestly I'm already in contact with a few non working girls from hinge that sound like they might be able to offer me more service than any FKK could (helps being 6'7 and a basketball player).

I land in Frankfurt Sunday around 4 pm and set up a hinge meet up at 6 for dinner and drinks. If things don't end up going good I will most likely spend the rest of my night at either oase or palace.

Monday I will be at sharks all day (first few rounds of drinks on me). I am excited about sharks even if it's slow. Hopefully I can find a few girls to my likings.

Side note. Afyer a few trips to Asia and being spoiled by living so close to Tijuana when I'm back home in the states I am now a fan of women liking my ass. How often do girls allow this as an extra service at FKK or does it just depend on the girl and circumstances.![/QUOTE]So Tijuana is good place to get the ass licked LOL! It is quite often and 50 euro extra usually or if lucky get it for free once in a very while! Good luck and enjoy hunting!

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2635545]Side note. After a few trips to Asia and being spoiled by living so close to Tijuana when I'm back home in the states I am now a fan of women licking my ass. How often do girls allow this as an extra service at FKK or does it just depend on the girl and circumstances?[/QUOTE]Oh [B]shyit[/B]! Mr. Ho? LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2635371]It maybe better to go with low expectation and be surprised with positive result that is possible! Like forest said, you never know what inside until you open the box of chocolate LOL! Same with FKK or life LOL!

On sunny side, every time I went to FKK Artemis during low season of summer vacation when girls supposed to go home, I hit the jack pot of many German stunners and got my ass licked LOL! So the hope is there, it is only that it is winter low season before Christmas plus corona LOL![/QUOTE]This makes sense. The Romanians should be gone for Chistman while the Germans should remain in Germany for Christmas.

But it brings another question about hotels. Are hotels in Germany requiring a vaccine? How are unvaccinated people supposed to stay in a hotel or must they just sleep in their rental can seeing as how rental car rates have came down slightly.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2635193]Russian invasion -- if it happens -- would have "disastrous" consequences for the whole of European continent, with an estimated 4 to 5 million Ukrainians possibly needing to seek refuge in Europe.

Most likely, Germany being the most left will help these Ukrainian beautiful girls![/QUOTE]No one wants military conflict but if 3 million Ukrainian women seek refuge in Germany with many of them seeking employment in FKKs I will risk the current global challenges to travel to Germany.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2635558]So Tijuana is good place to get the ass licked LOL! It is quite often and 50 euro extra usually or if lucky get it for free once in a very while! Good luck and enjoy hunting![/QUOTE]I went to Tijuana, but didn't get my ass licked. But then again, I don't particularly look for that. One time, an Arab girl working at Oase offered to lick my ass for free, and without advance solicitation from me, but I wasn't into her, so I passed. Then another Arab girl working at Artemis said she knew she didn't have the "booty", but that she would "make for me the hummus" LOLOLOL! I have had Brazilian girls lick my ass though with no upcharge, including one in Madrid.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2635496]Most of brothels are open with 2 G+. GT is at Oceans.[/QUOTE]OK, I'll check out GT at Oceans and maybe Acapulco Gold, as these seems to be the best in Dus now.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2635571]But it brings another question about hotels. Are hotels in Germany requiring a vaccine? How are unvaccinated people supposed to stay in a hotel or must they just sleep in their rental can seeing as how rental car rates have came down slightly.[/QUOTE]Yes they require a vaccine. But I'm sure you can do some couch sharing with German antivax friends.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2635764]OK, I'll check out GT at Oceans and maybe Acapulco Gold, as these seems to be the best in Dus now.[/QUOTE]Very close to Düsseldorf, I would try Magnum on evening.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2635660]I went to Tijuana, but didn't get my ass licked. But then again, I don't particularly look for that. One time, an Arab girl working at Oase offered to lick my ass for free, and without advance solicitation from me, but I wasn't into her, so I passed. Then another Arab girl working at Artemis said she knew she didn't have the "booty", but that she would "make for me the hummus" LOLOLOL! I have had Brazilian girls lick my ass though with no upcharge, including one in Madrid.[/QUOTE]Ah so Arabs are lickers huh? LOL! I had half Moroccan half German white stunner at Artemis once, and also I had amazing Moroccan girl in Lausanne in very luxury cabaret, but other than that I have very limited Arab girl experiences as I do not find many of them in FKK at least not to my stunner level girls, but I do love to add on more Arab stunners in my life! I want Lebanese stunners and their economy is on the edge, so there could be some chances that Lebanese stunner girls will flow into mongering market, but not in FKK due to visa!

I had many Brazilian stunners actually mostly in swiss French part in escorting, but never got my ass licked by Brazilian stunner yet actually because back then when I was in Swiss French part, I was not in this level of rimjob yet, I discovering rimjob around 2006 by beautiful Ukrainian model and I tell ya senpai cane, it was awakening moment, it was like the resurrection and found one of the meaning of my life LOL! Ever since then, I have been getting ass licked by many stunners from around the world for straight 15 years anniversary this year of getting ass licked LOL!

It put me in this mind zone of these stunners licked my ass and one day she will kiss her sorry ass husbands LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2635626]No one wants military conflict but if 3 million Ukrainian women seek refuge in Germany with many of them seeking employment in FKKs I will risk the current global challenges to travel to Germany.[/QUOTE]They fight for their homeland! It is beautiful country, we monger fight for our lust and for me the hygiene of my anal as I will get my ass licked again by more Ukrainian stunners in my life LOL! It was with a Ukrainian model stunner that I began my career in the world of anal licking LOL!

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2635764]OK, I'll check out GT at Oceans and maybe Acapulco Gold, as these seems to be the best in Dus now.[/QUOTE]Do not check GT out now as when I wrote GT is on fire, literally, it is literally, it caught fire and the place got burnt down, so if you go all the way to GT in Bruggen, you will stand in front of burnt building and it will be like in one of those movie scene for you standing there with your erected penis and 50 euro on your hand front of burnt down in middle of fucking farm land of Germany 100000000 km away from your home and 100 km away from your hotel LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2635824]Ah so Arabs are lickers huh? LOL! I had half Moroccan half German white stunner at Artemis once, and also I had amazing Moroccan girl in Lausanne in very luxury cabaret, but other than that I have very limited Arab girl experiences as I do not find many of them in FKK at least not to my stunner level girls, but I do love to add on more Arab stunners in my life! I want Lebanese stunners and their economy is on the edge, so there could be some chances that Lebanese stunner girls will flow into mongering market, but not in FKK due to visa![/QUOTE]I have enjoyed the pleasures of several attractive Arab, Turkish, and Persian Muslim girls in Germany, Spain, Morocco, and the United Arab Emirates respectively. I went bareback with the one in Morocco, and fucked many of these pretty Muslim girls in the ass, as I try to do with as many of my tutes as is possible. The one and only Lebanese was a white-skinned Christian girl found at Palace many years ago. She wasn't a stunner though. Only about a 7 maybe, and a clock watcher too! I had to have her when I found out that she was Lebanese as I am a "flag capturer". She didn't lick my ass. However, I did butt fuck her in hers! Turkish girls from Turkey itself (not from Germany) are some of my absolute favorites as I have found them to be some damn good fucks! Very good in bed. Very dirty and using "bad words" just how I like hahaha!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2635193]Russian invasion -- if it happens -- would have "disastrous" consequences for the whole of European continent, with an estimated 4 to 5 million Ukrainians possibly needing to seek refuge in Europe.

Most likely, Germany being the most left will help these Ukrainian beautiful girls![/QUOTE]I'm not complaining, that's a lot of beautiful women. Kiev and Odessa are on my checklist next April, once (or if) this Russia invasion talk dies down.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2635873]I'm not complaining, that's a lot of beautiful women. Kiev and Odessa are on my checklist next April, once (or if) this Russia invasion talk dies down.[/QUOTE]I do not care if Ukraine do not join NATO, but I want Ukraine to join EU in one way or another, so that Ukrainian girls can get to German FKK without any visa issues! If that happens, wow it is going to be game changer for mongers once again! But as for now, we have Romanian which also are beautiful race dominating German FKK human resources, but imagine to add Ukrainians too that formula! It has synergy effect of different type of beautiful races, one being more Latin and other being more white of all kind and it also will create good competition to bring more beautiful stunners from both different nations of beautiful girls LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2635571]This makes sense. The Romanians should be gone for Chistman while the Germans should remain in Germany for Christmas.

But it brings another question about hotels. Are hotels in Germany requiring a vaccine? How are unvaccinated people supposed to stay in a hotel or must they just sleep in their rental can seeing as how rental car rates have came down slightly.[/QUOTE]I would say German go to their home in Germany and most of Romanians go home as they value family and some religion of theirs, but some Romanian stay in FKK as they got not proper home or family to go back to or they want money as club often pay girls to stay over Christmas season and new year, I think sharks was paying for girls to stay over holiday season!

I also hear globe has good line up during Christmas and new year. Confirm?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2635826]Do not check GT out now as when I wrote GT is on fire, literally, it is literally, it caught fire and the place got burnt down, so if you go all the way to GT in Bruggen, you will stand in front of burnt building and it will be like in one of those movie scene for you standing there with your erected penis and 50 euro on your hand front of burnt down in middle of fucking farm land of Germany 100000000 km away from your home and 100 km away from your hotel LOL![/QUOTE]I think they ought to let people use the outdoor backyard and just put up a new tent at least. I don't think the outdoor rooms are burned it was just the main building.

Just run the water for some heated outdoor showers.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2635894]I do not care if Ukraine do not join NATO, but I want Ukraine to join EU in one way or another, so that Ukrainian girls can get to German FKK without any visa issues! If that happens, wow it is going to be game changer for mongers once again! But as for now, we have Romanian which also are beautiful race dominating German FKK human resources, but imagine to add Ukrainians too that formula! It has synergy effect of different type of beautiful races, one being more Latin and other being more white of all kind and it also will create good competition to bring more beautiful stunners from both different nations of beautiful girls LOL![/QUOTE]One of my favorites is a Ukrainian I met at Palace. The first time she came running up to me to ask for a session! Likes for me to take her in the ass. Last time I was with her she said, "Get in there, get in there! Don't be scared"! LOLOLOL! Palace doesn't work for a lot of mongers. But, it always worked for me! I too would like to see a lot more Ukrainian girls at the clubs. Also Czechs, Poles, and Russians. Like in the good old days!

I like to travel with a small bag or backpack. Usually carrying a few items I don't feel comfortable leaving in the hotel room.

Has anyone had any issues with personal items being stolen at FKK clubs. I read that sharks has lockers and just want to know how secure they might be.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2636093]I like to travel with a small bag or backpack. Usually carrying a few items I don't feel comfortable leaving in the hotel room.

Has anyone had any issues with personal items being stolen at FKK clubs. I read that sharks has lockers and just want to know how secure they might be.[/QUOTE]You can give to desk, they will keep safe for you.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2636093]I like to travel with a small bag or backpack. Usually carrying a few items I don't feel comfortable leaving in the hotel room.

Has anyone had any issues with personal items being stolen at FKK clubs. I read that sharks has lockers and just want to know how secure they might be.[/QUOTE]All FKKs I have been to have lockers, and they have been very secure. This is a non-issue.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2636093]I like to travel with a small bag or backpack. Usually carrying a few items I don't feel comfortable leaving in the hotel room.

Has anyone had any issues with personal items being stolen at FKK clubs. I read that sharks has lockers and just want to know how secure they might be.[/QUOTE]Have not been to sharks for years but things are safe at decent run FKK's. You put your valuables in a small locker (wallet cell car key passport etc) and the rest in your clothes locker. Had laptop bag in there a couple times and did not hear about things ever been stolen. If it's larger it might not fit but then you can ask at the front desk.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2636093]I like to travel with a small bag or backpack. Usually carrying a few items I don't feel comfortable leaving in the hotel room.

Has anyone had any issues with personal items being stolen at FKK clubs. I read that sharks has lockers and just want to know how secure they might be.[/QUOTE]Pretty much low to zero risk if it is in your locker.

To give an idea of how much more safety in Germany compared to the USA. One can go pump gas in Germany and not even prepay for gas! I asked a gas attendant if anyone ever stole gas since the gas can be taken prior to payment and he said, "Never. We don't have this problem in Germany".

[QUOTE=TheCane;2636013]One of my favorites is a Ukrainian I met at Palace. The first time she came running up to me to ask for a session! Likes for me to take her in the ass. Last time I was with her she said, "Get in there, get in there! Don't be scared"! LOLOLOL! Palace doesn't work for a lot of mongers. But, it always worked for me! I too would like to see a lot more Ukrainian girls at the clubs. Also Czechs, Poles, and Russians. Like in the good old days![/QUOTE]Ukrainians are not just beautiful race in general, but they are also horny girls and sophisticated. It would be amazing if they can join EU in one form or another, forget the Nato, but join EU, peace and sex the better LOL!

Palace and Artemis always worked for me and I think it is because it is upsell girls, so more money, therefore stunner girls gather there because stunner girls know they are more beautiful than others, so they go where the money is which is palace and Artemis LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2635929]I think they ought to let people use the outdoor backyard and just put up a new tent at least. I don't think the outdoor rooms are burned it was just the main building.

Just run the water for some heated outdoor showers.[/QUOTE]Well your idea is not very appealing in middle of fucking German winter is it? LOL! But if they can somehow do FKK tent like their restaurant area as it is made out of tent, it can do and can be appealing as it gives outdoor sex vibe and can be outdoor sex with open window with zip like one of their tent they have during summer which you can open up one side of the zipper, which is already open for you!

I think GT won't open for awhile, till they get their money from insurance and rebuild the place, but tent only idea can be done more cheaper, but permit can be bit difficult I think and also maintenance fee can be an issue as Germany is not exactly weather friendly country during winter LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2635840]I have enjoyed the pleasures of several attractive Arab, Turkish, and Persian Muslim girls in Germany, Spain, Morocco, and the United Arab Emirates respectively. I went bareback with the one in Morocco, and fucked many of these pretty Muslim girls in the ass, as I try to do with as many of my tutes as is possible. The one and only Lebanese was a white-skinned Christian girl found at Palace many years ago. She wasn't a stunner though. Only about a 7 maybe, and a clock watcher too! I had to have her when I found out that she was Lebanese as I am a "flag capturer". She didn't lick my ass. However, I did butt fuck her in hers! Turkish girls from Turkey itself (not from Germany) are some of my absolute favorites as I have found them to be some damn good fucks! Very good in bed. Very dirty and using "bad words" just how I like hahaha![/QUOTE]Lebanese girls at Globe. Iranian Sepid with her taboos at GT Vienna.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2636196]Pretty much low to zero risk if it is in your locker.

To give an idea of how much more safety in Germany compared to the USA. One can go pump gas in Germany and not even prepay for gas! I asked a gas attendant if anyone ever stole gas since the gas can be taken prior to payment and he said, "Never. We don't have this problem in Germany".[/QUOTE]I hear that girls money was stolen in dormitory in Artemis and this girl lost all the money she saved during her few weeks stay at Artemis fucking! Which is quite cruel reality of brothel life!

I never heard clients losing anything though, but once I was putting quite large amount of money in locker in changing room and some random old monger saw that and told me to put the money in safe box and not in locker room. I was already experienced FKK goers back then, but what he kind advised me do make sense as those wood made locker can be easily broken in, but safe box is kind of harder and it is often in main area of FKK by reception in many FKK!

Only criminal incident I hard in FKK is murder of girl by clients and this big fights in Artemis between security and some Russian clients which clients won the fight against security and got away from club not paying LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2636274]Lebanese girls at Globe. Iranian Sepid with her taboos at GT Vienna.[/QUOTE]Also new Iranian at Globe and 2 or 3 Lebanese.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2636196]Pretty much low to zero risk if it is in your locker.

To give an idea of how much more safety in Germany compared to the USA. One can go pump gas in Germany and not even prepay for gas! I asked a gas attendant if anyone ever stole gas since the gas can be taken prior to payment and he said, "Never. We don't have this problem in Germany.[/QUOTE]I agree that Germany is more safe. But, if it is true that that someone has to prepay at the pump it has more to do with the pumps now allowing credit card payments at the pumps and people saving time. I never had to prepay in the past before the pumps changed. It is not a good example at least to me who lives in the US. Maybe they changed they their policies because everyone uses a card and they can get away with shafting people without a credit card. Having to prepay when you want a full tank and can afford to fill it up all the way is an annoyance. Some broke people do it. I always saw it as something broke people did so they wouldn't pump too much.

My God Mr. Ho! Look at some of the beauties on this site (recommended from another thread): [URL]https://relaxkiev.com/en/.[/URL] If only more of these hot Ukrainian tutes were available in Germany! Or in Brazil even hahaha! See so many on there that are my type. Dick getting hard! I hate I live in a country where "tuting" is illegal! And I don't particularly want to go to Ukraine. I want to meet them in Germany!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2636367]I hear that girls money was stolen in dormitory in Artemis and this girl lost all the money she saved during her few weeks stay at Artemis fucking! Which is quite cruel reality of brothel life![/QUOTE]I've heard from many girls that women are merciless and steal everything from each other: money, cosmetics, gadgets, jewelry, and everything else that can be taken. The trick is to avoid being caught by the security cameras. In 2017 in LR ladies locker room one girl I knew back then told me her Android tablet was taken from her locker which she forgot to lock while showering. Unfortunately she noticed the disappearance on the next day and the security tape has already been recorded over. Only 24 hours round the clock of the camera footage could be reviewed.

I believe men's locker rooms in FKKs are safe. I've seen regulars in multiple clubs leaving plenty of cash in their lockers. One possibility is to keep half of your money in the main locker and another half in the wallet locker in those clubs where the wallet lockers are available. Just don't flash a wad of money in front of everybody in a crowded locker room. Having a safe in your hotel room is a big plus to avoid carrying all your cash with you all the time.

Hi,

I haven't been to FKK yet.

I have a question, which club around Frankfurt is recommended for beginners?

However, please exclude Sharks.

[QUOTE=Recoordy;2636616]Hi,

I haven't been to FKK yet.

I have a question, which club around Frankfurt is recommended for beginners?

However, please exclude Sharks.[/QUOTE]Let me give you some advice, as I've been to all 6-7 FKK's around Frankfurt dozens of times over the last 10 years.

Go to Sharks!

Here's why.

1. Sharks will have the biggest line up of women on a Friday and Sat night 80-100+ so you can talk to a different girl every ten minutes and never talk to the same girl twice.

This will allow you to find, not only a girl you really like, but not be pushed around by hungry little Romanian twats with bad attitudes.

As a rookie you want to go to a club where you have more options, the more you have the easier it will be to find someone you like, at the price you are willing to pay.

2. Sharks is a big club, maybe not the biggest (Sq. Ft) in / around Frankfurt, Oase might be bigger, but it is a great all around club and it's 22 minutes by train from Hbf, followed by a short 10 min cab ride from the train station.

Oase is about 45-50 minutes away and I don't know how to get there if the Oase shuttle bus isn't running, as that's the way I would get there if I was going. If you have a car great! Oase is a big club, with lots of women, it's just farther away.

Palace is small and frankly they've remodeled it twice in the last 10 years making the ambiance worse each time they remodeled it. Now the club has a large oval shaped bar in the middle of the room with stools and elevated / stepped seating areas around it. It used to have more areas to relax with two bars. Of course this is subjective and my opinion. Also Palace has no outside area like Sharks and Oase and a very small wellness area and 50% of the time I visit at least 1 sauna isn't working and the indoor pool can be seen from the bar (which reduces some privacy, which I don't like). Mainhatten is pretty big, with a decent wellness area and an outside area with just grass and it's a short 20 min tram ride from Frankfurt Hbf. Mainhatten also has a very large kino. But Palace does as well. So that's a tie!

3. Most important! The women at each club. I'll break down Sharks, Palace, Mainhatten and Oase.

Sharks. Because you will have the largest selection (80+) women at Sharks you will find a solid bell curve in optics and negotiating tactics. Ex. 10-15 will be good, 30-40 will be average, the rest you won't want to waste your time with.

Palace. Might be 20-30 women and possibly more (50+) on a Fri or Sat night. But once again you will still categorize them into a bell curve, which means there will be fewer in the range of women you will want to go to a room with. If you have fewer women, and you talk with them and don't find the right chemistry, you're left with the average girls remaining.

You will find a group of blond Germans at both Sharks and Palace and now days they are the toughest to negotiate with and that was probably always the case even after the 2017 law. They usually hold strong to 100 Euro now for basic service. I've talked a couple of them down to 50-70 but I haven't been to Germany in 1 year, so not sure what the girls are doing today.

Manhattan. Will have 15-25 girls and maybe a few more 30+ on weekends and you can find gems, but just remember it's a numbers game. You can pull a girl away from the bar area at Manhatten to talk to her and negotiate fairly easy. Palace is more difficult because everyone has to congregate around a small bar in the middle of the room. So if you piss of one of the German girls at Palace (like I have or walk out of a room because you came to a disagreement) everyone will see it and now none of the other hot girls in the German group will want to go with you. The bigger the club (more girls) the more you can avoid having all the other girls see your failed negotiations, so it will be easier to move to the next girl.

Oase. Always had a decent number of girls 50+ (I only went on weekends) and I've had some great experiences, it's just far outside Frankfurt.

Always remember basic service usually starts, or at least used to start at 50 Euro. (BBBJ and sex), many girls will still abide by this if they see you are experienced in the land of FKK. In 2017 they passed a condom law and immediately the girls started upselling for BBBJ. Now most girls will try and start at 100 Euro, and most guys who are new to the FKK scene won't know any better. I still start all negotiations at 50 Euro and will get most of the girls to go at that price or 60-70 including BBBJ. If you can't resist the hottest blond in the club and she holds firm at 100 Euro, go for it. YOLO.

You'll learn fairly quickly once you get into it.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2636558]My God Mr. Ho! Look at some of the beauties on this site (recommended from another thread): [URL]https://relaxkiev.com/en/.[/URL] If only more of these hot Ukrainian tutes were available in Germany! Or in Brazil even hahaha! See so many on there that are my type. Dick getting hard! I hate I live in a country where "tuting" is illegal! And I don't particularly want to go to Ukraine. I want to meet them in Germany![/QUOTE]For my little experience of both, Romanians have better care for their look than Ukrainians and Germans. Now unfortunately, most of escorts in Paris are Ukrainian instead of past Russians, not at all same level of looks nor quality. I usually don't go with Ukrainian escorts, I prefer some Romanians in FKK.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2636591]I've heard from many girls that women are merciless and steal everything from each other: money, cosmetics, gadgets, jewelry, and everything else that can be taken. The trick is to avoid being caught by the security cameras. In 2017 in LR ladies locker room one girl I knew back then told me her Android tablet was taken from her locker which she forgot to lock while showering. Unfortunately she noticed the disappearance on the next day and the security tape has already been recorded over. Only 24 hours round the clock of the camera footage could be reviewed.

I believe men's locker rooms in FKKs are safe. I've seen regulars in multiple clubs leaving plenty of cash in their lockers. One possibility is to keep half of your money in the main locker and another half in the wallet locker in those clubs where the wallet lockers are available. Just don't flash a wad of money in front of everybody in a crowded locker room. Having a safe in your hotel room is a big plus to avoid carrying all your cash with you all the time.[/QUOTE]Its economics, the guys are better off financially than the girls. Some years ago some bloke forgot his wallet with money and cards in a locker at Oase and left the club. The key was given to another monger who entered after. The monger found the wallet and gave it to the front desk. The owner returned frantically and was presented with his wallet. I feel real sorry for that girl who lost all her earnings at Artemis.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2636861]Its economics, the guys are better off financially than the girls. Some years ago some bloke forgot his wallet with money and cards in a locker at Oase and left the club. The key was given to another monger who entered after. The monger found the wallet and gave it to the front desk. The owner returned frantically and was presented with his wallet. I feel real sorry for that girl who lost all her earnings at Artemis.[/QUOTE]I remember one time a really popular girl with the mongers in Costa Rica had her hard won money stolen by another girl working at that San Jose club. And of course, the girls will steal from us out of our hotel rooms and apartments if we aren't careful. We read about that all the time. I make sure I keep my money and valuables locked up. The only time I have had anything taken was when a tute I brought back to my Panama City hotel room sneakily took a little bottle of alcohol from the mini bar. I didn't notice until she had left. It was no big cost to me, but it was just annoying. Had she just asked, I probably would have just said OK. But no, she had to steal! I remember we had dinner in my room. First she asked for shrimp, but then tried to change her mind and get lobster instead! I put the fucking brakes on that. At least she was a good fuck and gave up face pics too LOL!

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2636674]Oase is about 45-50 minutes away and I don't know how to get there if the Oase shuttle bus isn't running, as that's the way I would get there if I was going. If you have a car great! Oase is a big club, with lots of women, it's just farther away. Oase. Always had a decent number of girls 50+ (I only went on weekends) and I've had some great experiences, it's just far outside Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]You make many, many good points in your post, but giving Sharks the nod over Oase based on distance from Frankfurt isn't one of them. They are [B]both[/B] quite far from the Frankfurt city center where I normally stay. But, thank goodness they are both easy to get to as well [B]without needing a car[/B].

Oase has consistently been my favorite club in the Frankfurt metro area. To get to Oase, take an inexpensive train ride on the S5 to Friedrichsdorf. Then from there, take a short taxi ride to the club. To get to Sharks, take another inexpensive train ride on the S3 to Darmstadt, and again take a short taxi ride to the club.

If you stay at either club late after the trains have stopped running, then unless you do have a car, you will have to take a taxi back to Frankfurt. In the past, it has run me in the neighborhood of 50 to 60 euros to do this from each club. So, when it comes to distance from Frankfurt, it's a draw between Oase and Sharks with Palace (my personal number 2) being the clear winner as the easiest to get to followed by Mainhaittan (dead last on my personal list).

I didn't mention World in my last post in this thread. Located in Polheim, World is the clear loser when it comes to distance from Frankfurt. I don't know if Polheim technically can even be considered to be in the Frankfurt metro area. But what I do know is that there was a time when I had World right up there with Oase as one of my definite must-do clubs. My mode of transportation to World is the same as with Oase and Sharks (train then taxi), but it's just that the trip takes longer (but still not too expensive). First, take the train (Regional Express, Regional Bahn, or ICE) to Giessen, and then from there get a taxi the rest of the way to Polheim and the club, which again is a short ride away. This is how you do in Germany. You don't have to have a car. The train can get you to many, many places! That said, if you stay late, again you will have to taxi back if you don't have a car, and the cost of the taxi ride back to the Frankfurt city center from Polheim will be rather steep. But hey, you got to do what you got to do of you want to be who you want to be!

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2636674]Let me give you some advice, as I've been to all 6-7 FKK's around Frankfurt dozens of times over the last 10 years.

Go to Sharks!

Here's why.

1. Sharks will have the biggest line up of women on a Friday and Sat night 80-100+ so you can talk to a different girl every ten minutes and never talk to the same girl twice.

This will allow you to find, not only a girl you really like, but not be pushed around by hungry little Romanian twats with bad attitudes.

As a rookie you want to go to a club where you have more options, the more you have the easier it will be to find someone you like, at the price you are willing to pay.

2. Sharks is a big club, maybe not the biggest (Sq. Ft) in / around Frankfurt, Oase might be bigger, but it is a great all around club and it's 22 minutes by train from Hbf, followed by a short 10 min cab ride from the train station..[/QUOTE]For German girls, Palace should be higher level than Sharks where they are not really pretty. But I agree Sharks is best casting, even I don't find many on my standard, couldn't find one on yesterday Friday.

Like many of you, its been a while since I've been to Germany. I just took a look at the Deutsche Bahn site and, at least what turned up from my sample searches, they're at least for now running lots of faster trains between Frankfurt and Darmstadt, so now you can get to Darmstadt quicker than you can to Friedrichsdorf, with the latter still only being served on a slower S train route. Be that as it may, that doesn't change distance, and I would not recommend that anybody let distance be a deciding factor as to whether or not to go to Sharks versus Oase. What I noted before still holds true, which is that it's very easy to get to either club without a car. Just do a train / taxi tandem ride at a relatively low cost.

We're talking a little less than 30 minutes on the train to Oase, and maybe about half that amount of time on the train to Sharks (if it's a fast train). Besides, if you stay late into the morning at either club fucking and drinking and eating, you're still facing about an equal length taxi ride back to Frankfurt. In my opinion, World is the only club where distance from Frankfurt ought to be an important factor. When World was the bomb, it was a must-see club no doubt! But these days, even since before COVID actually, not so much anymore. I still never heard a good explanation for what happened at World and why it fell off so much. Anyway, Germany with all of these different fucking trains! S, RE, RB, ICE, IC, EC! How the hell is a monger supposed to keep it all straight!

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2636591]I've heard from many girls that women are merciless and steal everything from each other: money, cosmetics, gadgets, jewelry, and everything else that can be taken. The trick is to avoid being caught by the security cameras. In 2017 in LR ladies locker room one girl I knew back then told me her Android tablet was taken from her locker which she forgot to lock while showering. Unfortunately she noticed the disappearance on the next day and the security tape has already been recorded over. Only 24 hours round the clock of the camera footage could be reviewed.

I believe men's locker rooms in FKKs are safe. I've seen regulars in multiple clubs leaving plenty of cash in their lockers. One possibility is to keep half of your money in the main locker and another half in the wallet locker in those clubs where the wallet lockers are available. Just don't flash a wad of money in front of everybody in a crowded locker room. Having a safe in your hotel room is a big plus to avoid carrying all your cash with you all the time.[/QUOTE]Yes, when pimp / peste pressure for money, girls steal others: cash, phone. I remember Megan was stolen her week business at Sharks, big money, even can't compare with Globe.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2636963] ... Anyway, Germany with all of these different fucking trains! S, RE, RB, ICE, IC, EC! How the hell is a monger supposed to keep it all straight![/QUOTE]Drinking the internet at [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_categories_in_Europe[/URL]#Germany.

Eurocity-Express (ECE) International high-speed, long-distance services on the Frankfurt Milan and Munich Zrich routes.

Intercity-Express (ICE) National and international high-speed, long-distance services.

InterCity (IC) National and some international long-distance services.

EuroCity (EC) International long-distance services.

EuroNight (EN) International night train services.

Interregio-Express (IRE) Fast local services over longer distances than usual Regional-Express trains.

Regional-Express (RE) Fast local services with fewer stops.

Regionalbahn (RB) Local services, stopping at all stations except where there is a parallel S-Bahn service.

S-Bahn (S) Suburban services in major cities, those in Berlin and Hamburg operating on separate networks.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2636963]Like many of you, its been a while since I've been to Germany. I just took a look at the Deutsche Bahn site and, at least what turned up from my sample searches, they're at least for now running lots of faster trains between Frankfurt and Darmstadt, so now you can get to Darmstadt quicker than you can to Friedrichsdorf, with the latter still only being served on a slower S train route. Be that as it may, that doesn't change distance, and I would not recommend that anybody let distance be a deciding factor as to whether or not to go to Sharks versus Oase. What I noted before still holds true, which is that it's very easy to get to either club without a car. Just do a train / taxi tandem ride at a relatively low cost.

We're talking a little less than 30 minutes on the train to Oase, and maybe about half that amount of time on the train to Sharks (if it's a fast train). Besides, if you stay late into the morning at either club fucking and drinking and eating, you're still facing about an equal length taxi ride back to Frankfurt. In my opinion, World is the only club where distance from Frankfurt ought to be an important factor. When World was the bomb, it was a must-see club no doubt! But these days, even since before COVID actually, not so much anymore. I still never heard a good explanation for what happened at World and why it fell off so much. Anyway, Germany with all of these different fucking trains! S, RE, RB, ICE, IC, EC! How the hell is a monger supposed to keep it all straight![/QUOTE]While both cab rides might be expensive (40+ Euro) what I do if I know I'm staying late 2 AM+ at the club is I talk to a couple of other guys to see if they are taking a cab in my direction and I end up sharing a cab with them and splitting the price.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2636558]My God Mr. Ho! Look at some of the beauties on this site (recommended from another thread): [URL]https://relaxkiev.com/en/.[/URL] If only more of these hot Ukrainian tutes were available in Germany! Or in Brazil even hahaha! See so many on there that are my type. Dick getting hard! I hate I live in a country where "tuting" is illegal! And I don't particularly want to go to Ukraine. I want to meet them in Germany![/QUOTE]If these photos on this site is real though LOL! But Ukrainians are among my favorite race for looks together with Danish and German blonde stunners! Of course I got other exotic taste too like Romanian to serve my Latin exotic taste, some other mixed white Eurasian of some kind that are found here or in Berlin as many second third generation immigrant girls whose parent are mixed with German white and wherever her mother is from etc!

Palace and Artemis is the only club I know that has many concentration of German stunner and more palace than Artemis actually, I think the reason is more chance of upselling at palace, then artemins, the rest are not interesting enough for German stunner girls! I would say palace is mecca for German girls!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2636998]Drinking the internet at [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_categories_in_Europe[/URL]#Germany.

Eurocity-Express (ECE) International high-speed, long-distance services on the Frankfurt Milan and Munich Zrich routes.

Intercity-Express (ICE) National and international high-speed, long-distance services.

InterCity (IC) National and some international long-distance services.

EuroCity (EC) International long-distance services.

EuroNight (EN) International night train services.

Interregio-Express (IRE) Fast local services over longer distances than usual Regional-Express trains.

Regional-Express (RE) Fast local services with fewer stops.

Regionalbahn (RB) Local services, stopping at all stations except where there is a parallel S-Bahn service.

S-Bahn (S) Suburban services in major cities, those in Berlin and Hamburg operating on separate networks.[/QUOTE]That gives me a headache hahaha!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2636963]Like many of you, its been a while since I've been to Germany. I just took a look at the Deutsche Bahn site and, at least what turned up from my sample searches, they're at least for now running lots of faster trains between Frankfurt and Darmstadt, so now you can get to Darmstadt quicker than you can to Friedrichsdorf, with the latter still only being served on a slower S train route. Be that as it may, that doesn't change distance, and I would not recommend that anybody let distance be a deciding factor as to whether or not to go to Sharks versus Oase. What I noted before still holds true, which is that it's very easy to get to either club without a car. Just do a train / taxi tandem ride at a relatively low cost.

We're talking a little less than 30 minutes on the train to Oase, and maybe about half that amount of time on the train to Sharks (if it's a fast train). Besides, if you stay late into the morning at either club fucking and drinking and eating, you're still facing about an equal length taxi ride back to Frankfurt. In my opinion, World is the only club where distance from Frankfurt ought to be an important factor. When World was the bomb, it was a must-see club no doubt! But these days, even since before COVID actually, not so much anymore. I still never heard a good explanation for what happened at World and why it fell off so much. Anyway, Germany with all of these different fucking trains! S, RE, RB, ICE, IC, EC! How the hell is a monger supposed to keep it all straight![/QUOTE]I enjoy train rides to FKK, it add nice touch and spice to my FKK trip and its memories, but only down side is that each train trip my pant is about to explode with my elected penis LOL! It is conflicting and contrasting images of beautiful European natures through my train windows and the image I have in my head about what I am about to see in one hour time in where I am heading FKK LOL!

And throughout my trip I am keep whispering in my head giving command to train driver that faster! Faster LOL!

World supposed to be best FKK for outdoor sex and I read it used to have one of best lineup before, but I read that now for many years it has one of the worst line up! That it is not worth the stretch!

Also, Mainhattan, is the line up good with many German young stunner level girls or? I never been to Mainhattan even though it is as close or even closer than palace from the center of Frankfurt! If the line up is young and better with many stunners at Mainhattan, I like to give it a try next time, but I am so used to palace stunners LOL!

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2636674]Let me give you some advice, as I've been to all 6-7 FKK's around Frankfurt dozens of times over the last 10 years.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your great suggestions!

However, Sharks is not a recommended candidate.

I work for a Travel advisor company and run web media.

In recent years, the number of questions about FKK from customers has increased significantly.

The reason we decided to exclude Sharks from our recommendations was that our customers had very bad experiences.

The cause is mainly Rip-off, and theft etc.

We will consider more.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2636591]I've heard from many girls that women are merciless and steal everything from each other: money, cosmetics, gadgets, jewelry, and everything else that can be taken. The trick is to avoid being caught by the security cameras. In 2017 in LR ladies locker room one girl I knew back then told me her Android tablet was taken from her locker which she forgot to lock while showering. Unfortunately she noticed the disappearance on the next day and the security tape has already been recorded over. Only 24 hours round the clock of the camera footage could be reviewed.

I believe men's locker rooms in FKKs are safe. I've seen regulars in multiple clubs leaving plenty of cash in their lockers. One possibility is to keep half of your money in the main locker and another half in the wallet locker in those clubs where the wallet lockers are available. Just don't flash a wad of money in front of everybody in a crowded locker room. Having a safe in your hotel room is a big plus to avoid carrying all your cash with you all the time.[/QUOTE]I also have experience where my regular stunner girl come up to me in FKK after seeing my going to room with other stunner girl to ask me what other girl did to me in room and why I go with the girl I went to with LOL! I always say she licked in side my ass, so I will get even more drilling tongue inside my ass LOL!

FKK, the place with many psycho moments, but from societal point of view, we mongers are sociopath and from our point of view they are psycho who masturbate in locked room with virtual reality, but criticize our real action in reality LOL!

Is the number of girls at Oase really down to 45-50?

Don't forget that at Oase some girls sometimes leave before others arrive.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2637089]I enjoy train rides to FKK, it add nice touch and spice to my FKK trip and its memories, but only down side is that each train trip my pant is about to explode with my elected penis LOL! It is conflicting and contrasting images of beautiful European natures through my train windows and the image I have in my head about what I am about to see in one hour time in where I am heading FKK LOL! And throughout my trip I am keep whispering in my head giving command to train driver that faster! Faster LOL!

World supposed to be best FKK for outdoor sex and I read it used to have one of best lineup before, but I read that now for many years it has one of the worst line up! That it is not worth the stretch!

Also, Mainhattan, is the line up good with many German young stunner level girls or? I never been to Mainhattan even though it is as close or even closer than palace from the center of Frankfurt! If the line up is young and better with many stunners at Mainhattan, I like to give it a try next time, but I am so used to palace stunners LOL![/QUOTE]Taking the train to places is a part of modern Japanese culture I think. And yes, unfortunately taking a trip out to World is no longer worth it at the moment. I've never been a big fan of Mainhattan, and that club has never been known for having German girls. It is [B]heavy[/B] Romanian and other eastern European. Also many girls new to the industry if you're looking for fresh meat. The best clubs for German girls in my opinion are Palace and Artemis. And had it not burned down, then Golden Time would be on the list too. Maybe Oceans has some new found potential now.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2637300]Taking the train to places is a part of modern Japanese culture I think. And yes, unfortunately taking a trip out to World is no longer worth it at the moment. I've never been a big fan of Mainhattan, and that club has never been known for having German girls. It is [B]heavy[/B] Romanian and other eastern European. Also many girls new to the industry if you're looking for fresh meat. The best clubs for German girls in my opinion are Palace and Artemis. And had it not burned down, then Golden Time would be on the list too. Maybe Oceans has some new found potential now.[/QUOTE]Oh, Mr. Ho I forget the Hamburg clubs! When I visited that city Babylon, Atmos, and Harmony were all good for finding German girls. I did not session at Harmony, but I enjoyed German girl puss and arsch at both Babylon and Atmos. I don't know if all of these clubs will survive. The last I heard, Babylon had closed down, which is too bad as it is / was a very, very nice club and easy to reach, and I had some top sessions there, including with a model-quality Iranian girl (so beautiful I had to eat out her Persian pooty pocket) plus with German and Polish girls who gave up some outstanding butt fucks! I really put it down [B]good[/B] on the German (butt fucked her face down and hard), and I remember the Polish girl saying, "Oh you're fucking me in the butt [B]so[/B] good! Oh you're fucking me in the butt [B]so, so good[/B]! Hahahaha!

[QUOTE=Recoordy;2637092]Thank you for your great suggestions!

However, Sharks is not a recommended candidate.

I work for a Travel advisor company and run web media.

In recent years, the number of questions about FKK from customers has increased significantly.

The reason we decided to exclude Sharks from our recommendations was that our customers had very bad experiences.

The cause is mainly Rip-off, and theft etc.

We will consider more.

Thank you![/QUOTE]What a shit service you provide in that case. Excluding the best one because of some newbies.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2637292]Is the number of girls at Oase really down to 45-50?

Don't forget that at Oase some girls sometimes leave before others arrive.[/QUOTE]Most often 10/15 girls on day and 20 at night, when long time girls killed their business. Sad when Oase is a beautiful club.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2637352]Oh, Mr. Ho I forget the Hamburg clubs! When I visited that city Babylon, Atmos, and Harmony were all good for finding German girls. I did not session at Harmony, but I enjoyed German girl puss and arsch at both Babylon and Atmos. I don't know if all of these clubs will survive. The last I heard, Babylon had closed down, which is too bad as it is / was a very, very nice club and easy to reach, and I had some top sessions there, including with a model-quality Iranian girl (so beautiful I had to eat out her Persian pooty pocket) plus with German and Polish girls who gave up some outstanding butt fucks! I really put it down [B]good[/B] on the German (butt fucked her face down and hard), and I remember the Polish girl saying, "Oh you're fucking me in the butt [B]so[/B] good! Oh you're fucking me in the butt [B]so, so good[/B]! Hahahaha![/QUOTE]Most of German stunners I fucked mostly claim they are from Hamburg, in some cases, it was true as some of them show you family photos and it had back ground of harbor area, so I presumed it could have been Hamburg, so it must have made sense for me to stretched out and visit Hamburg, it is in my bucket list to do so or who knows, I may shift totally to Hamburg for FKK trip as my GPS solely decide on where the stunners pussies at LOL!

I eat all stunner girls anal, it is like international culinary experience for me LOL! Rimming has to go both ways, but not anal sex I presume LOL! We are the anal men LOL! Not batman, but Buttman in FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2637300]Taking the train to places is a part of modern Japanese culture I think. And yes, unfortunately taking a trip out to World is no longer worth it at the moment. I've never been a big fan of Mainhattan, and that club has never been known for having German girls. It is [B]heavy[/B] Romanian and other eastern European. Also many girls new to the industry if you're looking for fresh meat. The best clubs for German girls in my opinion are Palace and Artemis. And had it not burned down, then Golden Time would be on the list too. Maybe Oceans has some new found potential now.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Japan has best trains and its most accurate system, we got many luxury trains too that is super pricey, but amazingly done and food is so good on train by taking the meal box called Bento! Culinary wise, it is heaven here!

However, many mongers often talk about access to FKK, but all FKK clubs are so easily accessible train and small taxi ride from the train station and it is just me, I do enjoy the scenery through train window with good music or it can be the noise of train and some noises from surrounding that act as travelling music!

Goldentime is not good for stunner German girls, GT line up is not good quality in general, they try to do this next door girl kinda thing, but quality sucked! I found stunner here and there, but it was not every time that I had to return to duss to attend LR with discount ticket that also sucked at LR for quality and ended up in oceans at around 8 pm to catch evening shift at oceans. Now oceans bought GT I read, so there maybe some changes to GT if they manage to build a new club there after the fire!

Artemis I agree, many plastic monster and some are even vintage plastic monsters who are still there since stone age, but between those monsters, I often found the stunner of stunner and had best what a fuck level service at Artemis! With little upsell most of times, but some I got lucky and even got rimming for 60 euro 30 min session, but those lucky time, I can count LOL! Let just say, it is very diverse line up mega club, so it has many different monsters and stunners, as some poster wrote, number advantage at Artemis as it is mega club! And now it is 70 euro 30 min, so it is most expensive club in Germany, so that higher price may attract some stunners even more now? And it is monopoly FKK in Berlin! Let see if the golden line up of early 2010's Artemis return with this price increase to 70 euro!

Palace too! Here is most concentration of German girls and as some posters wrote, it is a group, now I do not know how it is after corona, but I feel there always will be a German group at palace as it is one of the most near the city center club that is in financial city of Germany Frankfurt, so many bankers there wanting to fuck German girls and willing to pay up! So I agree, it is palace where the stunners at! And even I do not like most of lineup, I never saw fat girl or something like that at Palace!

So, I have some friends living in UAE for tax reasons, and some of these guys are real players for normal girls and this weekend was big Formula 1 weekend. Now, I was looking through these guys attending after partying in some club and on the yacht after and many very beautiful girls there! But this is the thing I am posting this, the fact is same level of girls I saw on instagram stories of after party of Formula 1 on yacht or in the club, I fucked them and they licked my ass either in FKK after some reasonable searching of few hours and some in escort LOL!

It is really crazy how the prostitution industry began supplying top triple A looking stunners for very reasonable price LOL! I mean you go to the right escort you get them for like 300 euro to 500 euro per hour, take for longer bit cheaper! And even in FKK, you have to look harder than before, but you get the triple A level stunner often enough LOL!

I have been in the game of mongering done right for over 2 decades now and man, it still amaze me to this day that how many of stunner girls I fucked as if it is normal thing for me and no chasing, dining, wining or sucking up or paying ridiculous price both money and life or time for it and above all, it still amazes me how prostitution industry is innovative enough to provide such level stunner young girls to mongers for reasonable prices LOL! It is either girls are just stupid creature best at making stupid wrong decision in life thinking short term or the operator of brothel / escort business are very innovative hard working business men LOL!

The movie and tv portray prostitution as something dark, grey and grim thing, but in reality, it is not in most cases, it is real playground for self thinking man who seek hard enough to go to the right place to get his dream come true as it is not done in local park or not done in every nation or in every place, we have to look for the place, but as we found it, sexual heaven for reasonable price do exist LOL!

It is crazy all these beauties the guys are after doing all sort of thing to get sex basically, we get it for much cheaper and much easier LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2637352]Oh, Mr. Ho I forget the Hamburg clubs! When I visited that city Babylon, Atmos, and Harmony were all good for finding German girls. I did not session at Harmony, but I enjoyed German girl puss and arsch at both Babylon and Atmos. I don't know if all of these clubs will survive. The last I heard, Babylon had closed down, which is too bad as it is / was a very, very nice club and easy to reach, and I had some top sessions there, including with a model-quality Iranian girl (so beautiful I had to eat out her Persian pooty pocket) plus with German and Polish girls who gave up some outstanding butt fucks! I really put it down [B]good[/B] on the German (butt fucked her face down and hard), and I remember the Polish girl saying, "Oh you're fucking me in the butt [B]so[/B] good! Oh you're fucking me in the butt [B]so, so good[/B]! Hahahaha![/QUOTE]Yes, years ago, Hamburg was the place for German WGs, I remember Bambi and Linda at Harmony, Tyra at Atmos and saw real beauties working in streets. Not sure still on business. Got few German beauties at GT or LR: Rachel, Sam, model Rose turkish marked in 2018. I remember a real beauty telling not kissing at Oceans so no room like with Albanian Ana on my GT Oceans discovery, but had great full GFE and real French kiss room for 100/60 with this blond full natural German real beauty when she moved to LR and would have repeated for sure if I didn't have my regular, but telling not kissing again at GT few weeks later when I was happy to see her there because much easier for me, so no repeat and she didn't stay at GT and didn't return to LR where she didn't seem busy even had a great GFE room with this wow German full natural beauty on beginning of 2017. Also had my German fitness 177 model escort on end of 2017/ beginning of 2018, not the highest elegance nor charm even really cute and also for her love me behavior, but highest ever sexual potential experienced, a athlete for sex resisting to animal as she called me, for hours and rounds of sex. From my experiences, Bella at Samya is also a real example, girls can kiss or not, or let go to cumming or block or try to avoid when they have BF or not, Bella improved so much when no more BF but when she is always really lovely even I can t repeat now because she turned from elegant princess style I loved, down to too big ass, too heavy prostitute make up and bad lion hairstyle, even I know how she would give me so good. At least, she gets business with others, being one of the busiest at Samya and I m happy for her because her so lovely behavior really deserve to get success, even not anymore pretty enough for me, but I really like her from our great rooms after her BF.

[QUOTE=McGrath;2637362]What a shit service you provide in that case. Excluding the best one because of some newbies.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your opinion.

Recommended if there are few damage reports.

Unfortunately it was not a few.

No business owner wants to lose the trust of their customers.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2637292]Is the number of girls at Oase really down to 45-50?

Don't forget that at Oase some girls sometimes leave before others arrive.[/QUOTE]I only went to Oase once in my life and when I look back at my experience there later, it was overall actually good FKK, but when I was there, I somehow never really appreciated the line up fully! I will try again, but when I was there, the line up seemed full already at 1 pm or 2 pm, so I had feeling that Oase is day time shift club like globe, gt, and lr is, but some mongers pointed me out that Oase is evening shift club and more girls are coming around dinner time and stunners are tend to coming in the evening to start their shift at night! So what time do you advise to go to Oase, during day or at night?

[QUOTE=Recoordy;2637092]Thank you for your great suggestions!

However, Sharks is not a recommended candidate.

I work for a Travel advisor company and run web media.

In recent years, the number of questions about FKK from customers has increased significantly.

The reason we decided to exclude Sharks from our recommendations was that our customers had very bad experiences.

The cause is mainly Rip-off, and theft etc.

We will consider more.[/QUOTE]It's true that some girls do rip-off. But they are so skillful that knowing it does not guarantee that beginners can avoid it. If you want to avoid unnecessary risks, your judgment is correct.

I have been following a famous Instagram lady from the Netherlands and have noted she makes frequent trips to the UAE and was wondering what is up and now it makes sense.

I think they can make more in the UAE than the 50 euros deals since the sudlanders have all that oil money.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2637449]So, I have some friends living in UAE for tax reasons, and some of these guys are real players for normal girls and this weekend was big Formula 1 weekend. Now, I was looking through these guys attending after partying in some club and on the yacht after and many very beautiful girls there! But this is the thing I am posting this, the fact is same level of girls I saw on instagram stories of after party of Formula 1 on yacht or in the club, I fucked them and they licked my ass either in FKK after some reasonable searching of few hours and some in escort LOL!

It is really crazy how the prostitution industry began supplying top triple A looking stunners for very reasonable price LOL! I mean you go to the right escort you get them for like 300 euro to 500 euro per hour, take for longer bit cheaper! And even in FKK, you have to look harder than before, but you get the triple A level stunner often enough LOL!

I have been in the game of mongering done right for over 2 decades now and man, it still amaze me to this day that how many of stunner girls I fucked as if it is normal thing for me and no chasing, dining, wining or sucking up or paying ridiculous price both money and life or time for it and above all, it still amazes me how prostitution industry is innovative enough to provide such level stunner young girls to mongers for reasonable prices LOL! It is either girls are just stupid creature best at making stupid wrong decision in life thinking short term or the operator of brothel / escort business are very innovative hard working business men LOL![/QUOTE]

So yesterday I overdosed on Viagra.

It was the hardest day of my life.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2637648]So yesterday I overdosed on Viagra.

It was the hardest day of my life.[/QUOTE]Congratulations that it wasn't the last one. Viagra and the other similar drugs are not to be underestimated. Anything more than 50 MG could be lethal. How much did you take?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2637615]I only went to Oase once in my life and when I look back at my experience there later, it was overall actually good FKK, but when I was there, I somehow never really appreciated the line up fully! I will try again, but when I was there, the line up seemed full already at 1 pm or 2 pm, so I had feeling that Oase is day time shift club like globe, gt, and lr is, but some mongers pointed me out that Oase is evening shift club and more girls are coming around dinner time and stunners are tend to coming in the evening to start their shift at night! So what time do you advise to go to Oase, during day or at night?[/QUOTE]Almost full casting is between 5 and 7 pm. Small casting until 2 pm. Most girls usually stop 1 hour before closing, then playing with their phone.

[QUOTE=Recoordy;2637092]Thank you for your great suggestions!

However, Sharks is not a recommended candidate.

I work for a Travel advisor company and run web media.

In recent years, the number of questions about FKK from customers has increased significantly.

The reason we decided to exclude Sharks from our recommendations was that our customers had very bad experiences.

The cause is mainly Rip-off, and theft etc.

We will consider more.

Thank you![/QUOTE]When you know a bit how to deal with women, Sharks is the best club in whole FKK land on this year, better than Wellcum or Globe. 100/60 for full GFE still work at Sharks. I had a good surprise about 6 sens NL level for few looks with really good level in bed, higher than many girls at Globe, for also 100/60, 110/60 now.

[QUOTE=TomRifle;2637668]Congratulations that it wasn't the last one. Viagra and the other similar drugs are not to be underestimated. Anything more than 50 MG could be lethal. How much did you take?[/QUOTE]I think he was making a joke?

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2637624]I have been following a famous Instagram lady from the Netherlands and have noted she makes frequent trips to the UAE and was wondering what is up and now it makes sense.

I think they can make more in the UAE than the 50 euros deals since the sudlanders have all that oil money.[/QUOTE]Well these girls are semi pro girls looking for rich husband, but the point I was making with my earlier post is that we mongers who monger right and well actually get same level of girls one after another and there is no need for wining, dining, yachts and this and that because these same level of stunner girls are available in prostitution industry for very reasonable price LOL!

Society and Media try to portray prostitution industry as something low, dirty and not well managed, yes in most case it is so, but in some cases, it is very well managed, well scouted with good human resources and all legal in some areas and above quality triple A girls can be found if we look for them LOL! Whatta wonderful world as long as we are mindful about the situation and have will to go and get what we want as men like some of us mongers did LOL!

True fact, this is LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2637648]So yesterday I overdosed on Viagra.

It was the hardest day of my life.[/QUOTE]You had heart pain or? I am glad you survived man, you do not want to kick the bucket in brothel LOL! It seems to me that each of three penis drug has different affect, like Cialis has side effects on my like little head aches, eyes red etc, but Levitra has zero side effects on my that I enjoy using now when I am doing more than 3 girls in short period of time! Viagra never tried, keeping it for my older years, but by then more drugs like this will surface that are more effective and safe!

However, these pde5 inhibitor drugs can be good for your artery health! If used in mild doses like aspirin!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2637768]When you know a bit how to deal with women, Sharks is the best club in whole FKK land on this year, better than Wellcum or Globe. 100/60 for full GFE still work at Sharks. I had a good surprise about 6 sens NL level for few looks with really good level in bed, higher than many girls at Globe, for also 100/60, 110/60 now.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply.

I don't know much about FKK.

The reason for excluding Sharks.

We made a comprehensive decision based on a lot of feedback from our customers.

Most of them were beginners.

You are probably quite a regular and beginners will be in a different situation.

It is also our job to keep our customers safe.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=TomRifle;2637668]Congratulations that it wasn't the last one. Viagra and the other similar drugs are not to be underestimated. Anything more than 50 MG could be lethal. How much did you take?[/QUOTE]Thanks for your concern. It was indeed a joke.

[QUOTE=Recoordy;2637945]Thanks for the reply.

I don't know much about FKK.

The reason for excluding Sharks.

We made a comprehensive decision based on a lot of feedback from our customers.

Most of them were beginners.

You are probably quite a regular and beginners will be in a different situation.

It is also our job to keep our customers safe..[/QUOTE]What do you think is best: taking a bit risk for the best quality in FKK land, or full safe for only average level, when even at expensive Globe Zurich, now some girls have average look, not really french kissing, average BJ. I don't know any club where level is high for sure for girls now, but I know for sure: you get from what you are, girls don't always give same to all of us. Seem at Sharks, some girls ask different rate to different guys, maybe not only at Sharks.

[QUOTE=Recoordy;2637945]Thanks for the reply.

I don't know much about FKK.

The reason for excluding Sharks.

We made a comprehensive decision based on a lot of feedback from our customers.

Most of them were beginners.

You are probably quite a regular and beginners will be in a different situation.

It is also our job to keep our customers safe..[/QUOTE]You come to this site to ask for advice on FKKs, you receive very detailed and sound advice from senior members and, yet, you reject their advice, while admitting you 'don't know much about FKKs'. You need help, my friend. Goodbye.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2637449] But this is the thing I am posting this, the fact is same level of girls I saw on instagram stories of after party of Formula 1 on yacht or in the club, I fucked them and they licked my ass either in FKK after some reasonable searching of few hours and some in escort LOL!

It is really crazy how the prostitution industry began supplying top triple A looking stunners for very reasonable price LOL!

I have been in the game of mongering done right for over 2 decades now and man, it still amaze me to this day that how many of stunner girls I fucked as if it is normal thing for me and no chasing, dining, wining or sucking up or paying ridiculous price both money and life or time for it and above all, it still amazes me how prostitution industry is innovative enough to provide such level stunner young girls to mongers for reasonable prices LOL![/QUOTE]Key Economics concept: Monopoly on pussy does not exist.

Now, there is propaganda, misinformation, false advertising, theft of services, and pimps, madams, priests, and politicians who try to limit supply and demand.

The endless supply of new 18 year old birthdays every day of year destroys their efforts and the devaluation of 39 year olds to zero.

No Formula 1 Boss, Premier League Team or Oligarch is a Monopsony.

That's why price has been $100 (inflation adjusted) for decades.

[QUOTE=KaveMan;2638202]Key Economics concept: Monopoly on pussy does not exist.

Now, there is propaganda, misinformation, false advertising, theft of services, and pimps, madams, priests, and politicians who try to limit supply and demand.

The endless supply of new 18 year old birthdays every day of year destroys their efforts and the devaluation of 39 year olds to zero.

No Formula 1 Boss, Premier League Team or Oligarch is a Monopsony.

That's why price has been $100 (inflation adjusted) for decades.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it is like arbitrage, if men are not going for looks, then fine, I understand that, it must be "emotional" connection called love or whatever one want to call it, but the fact of the matter is I would say 90% of these emotional feeling is based on how girls look sexually to men, at least for vast majority of men.

Now Formula one after party was just used as example, but what I am saying is that most men are paying way too much money both money, effort, time, distance they go these stunner looking girls because if you are smart wise man, you can just get them via right escort agency and also in FKK if you search bit harder, the outcome is the same, best sex with young beautiful stunner level girls, but difference is we monger have full control over them and these guys do not with all these things these try to try to manipulate you to do or vice versa you have to also manipulate to do to get them to fuck you and oddly we efficient professional mongers doing it right pay much less money, time or effort LOL!

Also this is above all point I am making, are these triple A girls on yacht of formula one party normal girls, not really LOL! Half of them are escort or at least part time or once has been escort or tried out escort LOL! And about other half is semi prostitute, they do not prostitute, but they are looking for cash via relationship whether it is social status or money via marriage etc, and only let say 5% of them are so called normal girls LOL! So they are mostly prostitutes, or what I call social prostitutes LOL!

It is so odd many men still do not see this fact LOL!

And I hear this. Oh my and my wife bluh, bluh, bluh, yeah but your wife is ugly, and old, but always ugly since young age, and they are not even women to me LOL!

Very fact of the matter this is LOL! It is arbitrage LOL!

[QUOTE=KaveMan;2638202]Key Economics concept: Monopoly on pussy does not exist.

Now, there is propaganda, misinformation, false advertising, theft of services, and pimps, madams, priests, and politicians who try to limit supply and demand.

The endless supply of new 18 year old birthdays every day of year destroys their efforts and the devaluation of 39 year olds to zero.

No Formula 1 Boss, Premier League Team or Oligarch is a Monopsony.

That's why price has been $100 (inflation adjusted) for decades.[/QUOTE]PIMP is good incubator of delivering stunner girls to us mongers, they are on out side and they are not solely foe, but friendly and handy tool for us, they do what they got to do to make money out of us, but look, it is reasonable price and they too have to make money too! So pimps are justified and I am grateful for their sorry ass existence LOL! Get to work PIMPS LOL.

[QUOTE=Recoordy;2637092]Thank you for your great suggestions!

However, Sharks is not a recommended candidate.

I work for a Travel advisor company and run web media.

In recent years, the number of questions about FKK from customers has increased significantly.

The reason we decided to exclude Sharks from our recommendations was that our customers had very bad experiences.

The cause is mainly Rip-off, and theft etc.

We will consider more.![/QUOTE]I know there was a topic about theft in a sharks thread before. I saw the scene where the theft victim was reporting to the reception, so. I have commented on it.

[QUOTE=Recoordy;2637945]Thanks for the reply.

I don't know much about FKK.

The reason for excluding Sharks.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for excluding Sharks, that leaves more women for the rest of us and a lower demand on prices.

You're right, you don't know much about FKK.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2637867]Well these girls are semi pro girls looking for rich husband, but the point I was making with my earlier post is that we mongers who monger right and well actually get same level of girls one after another and there is no need for wining, dining, yachts and this and that because these same level of stunner girls are available in prostitution industry for very reasonable price LOL![/QUOTE]This doesn't make any sense. Ofcourse having a woman for an hour will always be cheaper than having her for a day or taking her on a yacht, wining, and dining, etc. But some mongers actually want the GFE (girlfriend experience) and not just an hour.

Also, if these men are wealthy with enough free time to attend a formula 1 championship in Abu Dhabi, then the price they pay for GFE is probably cheaper than the price you paid for an hour, in proportion to bank accounts.

A monger who pays for days or weeks for GFE in Abu Dhabi, is no different than the monger who only pays for an hour in an FKK. They're both mongers. I'll gladly be the monger with 5 women partying on the yacht in Dubai or Abu Dhabi than the monger going to just FKKs.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2638665]A monger who pays for days or weeks for GFE in Abu Dhabi, is no different than the monger who only pays for an hour in an FKK. They're both mongers. I'll gladly be the monger with 5 women partying on the yacht in Dubai or Abu Dhabi than the monger going to just FKKs.[/QUOTE]Why choose bro? I would be both if I could LOL! I have been to Abu Dhabi and Dubai in the UAE though. Although expensive, including for mongering, the place is just amazing! And what a mix of girls! Diverse tutes from all over the world like Russia, Ukraine, Ethiopia, China, Turkey, The Philippines, Morocco, Iran, and all the CIS countries. Being the "flag capturer" that I am, I think I'm the most proud of that pretty little thing from Tashkent, Uzbekistan who I fucked LOL! Pretty, white-skinned, eastern orthodox, exotic, Uzbek pussy yum, yum, yummy what a rare treat!

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2638665]This doesn't make any sense. Ofcourse having a woman for an hour will always be cheaper than having her for a day or taking her on a yacht, wining, and dining, etc. But some mongers actually want the GFE (girlfriend experience) and not just an hour.

Also, if these men are wealthy with enough free time to attend a formula 1 championship in Abu Dhabi, then the price they pay for GFE is probably cheaper than the price you paid for an hour, in proportion to bank accounts.

A monger who pays for days or weeks for GFE in Abu Dhabi, is no different than the monger who only pays for an hour in an FKK. They're both mongers. I'll gladly be the monger with 5 women partying on the yacht in Dubai or Abu Dhabi than the monger going to just FKKs.[/QUOTE]I don't think Formula 1 is any good compared to Nascar. In Nascar you can bring an RV on the boondocking area with girls and watch the race. No need for a yacht.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2638665]...
I'll gladly be the monger with 5 women partying on the yacht in Dubai or Abu Dhabi than the monger going to just FKKs.[/QUOTE]I agree with you.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2638665]This doesn't make any sense. Ofcourse having a woman for an hour will always be cheaper than having her for a day or taking her on a yacht, wining, and dining, etc. But some mongers actually want the GFE (girlfriend experience) and not just an hour.

Also, if these men are wealthy with enough free time to attend a formula 1 championship in Abu Dhabi, then the price they pay for GFE is probably cheaper than the price you paid for an hour, in proportion to bank accounts.

A monger who pays for days or weeks for GFE in Abu Dhabi, is no different than the monger who only pays for an hour in an FKK. They're both mongers. I'll gladly be the monger with 5 women partying on the yacht in Dubai or Abu Dhabi than the monger going to just FKKs.[/QUOTE]If you define GFE experience as longer than one hour or more then I got you, but for me, GFE experience is one or two hours of constant best sex and there is no need for chit chat to make the mood GFE as I can do that in my private life. With escort or FKK, all I look for is sex, so for me the definition of GFE experience in brothel or escort etc is purely amazing sex whether it is sensual, romantic, dirty or hentai or all of them mixed etc.

The thing is I begin to see the difference with me and other mongers, quite many mongers seek for emotional connection with prostitutes, where as what I seek for is amazing beyond this world sex with prostitute, so this is the difference.

Also for me to spend more than let say 2 hours with prostitute in room or even on sofa is torture LOL! More I get older I begin to have this mindset not just with tutes, but with any women, I do not like spending time with them beside sex or business as I tend to find women better business women than men in general actually based on personal experience, which is odd thing for me to face in this male dominated world, but each time I worked with women, things went faster as some of these women are actually smart and have balls bigger than us LOL! This is apparently scientific, male testosterone decrease as we age, but testosterone in women increase as they age, no wonder why some of these females are bull in business LOL!

As for Abu Dhabi F1 grand prix, that I have not been, but been to Monaco one before, it was for experience as I am not f1 fan, but it is nothing special, people dramatize many events and it is way too overrated unless you are one of those attention guy, but I am more rational guy and I much prefer the time spent in FKK on good lineup jackpot day or I hit the right escort girl in nice hotel room for one hour or maybe two, not more, for me fucking young beautiful stunner girl is best event man can invest his time as these memories echoes for eternity for me, only other event that can match that is the time I spend in truly beautiful nature! This must come from my upbringing in beautiful Switzerland and my monger habit is habit I picked up from that extreme capitalistic anything go nation too LOL!

[QUOTE=Einhorn;2637616]It's true that some girls do rip-off. But they are so skillful that knowing it does not guarantee that beginners can avoid it. If you want to avoid unnecessary risks, your judgment is correct.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your understanding!

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2638659]Thanks for excluding Sharks, that leaves more women for the rest of us and a lower demand on prices.

You're right, you don't know much about FKK.[/QUOTE]But some girls, even not so pretty and not very busy, remain stuck to upselling rate. Fortunately, some pretty and high level are for 100/60 GFE.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2638659]Thanks for excluding Sharks, that leaves more women for the rest of us and a lower demand on prices.

You're right, you don't know much about FKK.[/QUOTE]I think so, too. The fewer newcomers, the more comfortable it is for sharks loyal customers. In fact, sharks are a place to hunt newcomers. Whatever it is, we don't have to strongly recommend sharks to him who first say "exclude sharks." There are other candidates.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2638692]Why choose bro? I would be both if I could LOL! I have been to Abu Dhabi and Dubai in the UAE though. Although expensive, including for mongering, the place is just amazing! And what a mix of girls! Diverse tutes from all over the world like Russia, Ukraine, Ethiopia, China, Turkey, The Philippines, Morocco, Iran, and all the CIS countries. Being the "flag capturer" that I am, I think I'm the most proud of that pretty little thing from Tashkent, Uzbekistan who I fucked LOL! Pretty, white-skinned, eastern orthodox, exotic, Uzbek pussy yum, yum, yummy what a rare treat![/QUOTE]What was I thinking? That girl wasn't from Tashkent. She was from Ashgabat, Turkmenistan! We're talking some exotic Turkmen tushy my boys LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2638698]I don't think Formula 1 is any good compared to Nascar. In Nascar you can bring an RV on the boondocking area with girls and watch the race. No need for a yacht.[/QUOTE]Best pilots in indycar are amazed when they try formula 1. Even indycar can be faster in Indianapolis, but no comparison for accelerations, grip, curves, braking. Even he can be fast, but really not fair when Hamilton started faster, was faster for 50 rounds, even with Checo help blocking Hamilton, but Verstappen was just not able to follow and needed safety car help and luck to win, when he was not able alone. This is new formula 1, more a show than fair, when Verstappen is a dangerous pilot as was Schumacher who was lucky other pilots were careful for him, but not as lucky when skiing, despite helmet, when I don t put on to really free ride more difficult spots than in Meribel.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2638665]This doesn't make any sense. Ofcourse having a woman for an hour will always be cheaper than having her for a day or taking her on a yacht, wining, and dining, etc. But some mongers actually want the GFE (girlfriend experience) and not just an hour.

Also, if these men are wealthy with enough free time to attend a formula 1 championship in Abu Dhabi, then the price they pay for GFE is probably cheaper than the price you paid for an hour, in proportion to bank accounts.

A monger who pays for days or weeks for GFE in Abu Dhabi, is no different than the monger who only pays for an hour in an FKK. They're both mongers. I'll gladly be the monger with 5 women partying on the yacht in Dubai or Abu Dhabi than the monger going to just FKKs.[/QUOTE]GFE is for me giving illusion of intimacy when kissing and in bed, when long time bookings are more for party and companionship than real intimate GFE, when Dubai and EAU can be dangerous for girls. As say some girls in FKK: the longest booking, the less sex. I don't pay to smoke when I don't, nor to play on phone, nor to dance, nor to gossip about others, I pay for time for sex.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2638936]What was I thinking? That girl wasn't from Tashkent. She was from Ashgabat, Turkmenistan! We're talking some exotic Turkmen tushy my boys LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]There is nothing better than fucking beautiful stunners from different ethnicity, only thing that can compete is nature whether it is mountain, forest, or beautiful beach etc and good food whether it is expensive finer meal or local good cooking for economical price. These things are only drugs that do not kill you if you know what you are doing, even FKK got some mongers killed LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2638692]Why choose bro? I would be both if I could LOL! I have been to Abu Dhabi and Dubai in the UAE though. Although expensive, including for mongering, the place is just amazing! And what a mix of girls! Diverse tutes from all over the world like Russia, Ukraine, Ethiopia, China, Turkey, The Philippines, Morocco, Iran, and all the CIS countries. Being the "flag capturer" that I am, I think I'm the most proud of that pretty little thing from Tashkent, Uzbekistan who I fucked LOL! Pretty, white-skinned, eastern orthodox, exotic, Uzbek pussy yum, yum, yummy what a rare treat![/QUOTE]Global cuisine LOL! Oysters at its finest form LOL!

[QUOTE=DistSelgate;2638413]I know there was a topic about theft in a sharks thread before. I saw the scene where the theft victim was reporting to the reception, so. I have commented on it.[/QUOTE]Thank you for giving me valuable information.

I checked it.

It was also one of the risks we considered.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Einhorn;2638867]I think so, too. The fewer newcomers, the more comfortable it is for sharks loyal customers. In fact, sharks are a place to hunt newcomers. Whatever it is, we don't have to strongly recommend sharks to him who first say "exclude sharks." There are other candidates.[/QUOTE]I found shark to be more mild club for new comers as the club has less sharky girls, but I tend to find Artemis, Palace to be the place for girls to hunt naive new comers, even though these two up sell sharky FKK are the clubs that most worked for me and are my favorite FKK LOL!

One thing I admire about girls at shark is that, between session, in order to recover and also look at the whole club, I often sit at the second floor where the Jacuzzi is, so I can get away and also look down the whole club because it is almost directly above the main bar, then I see girls walking up the stairs with her high heel, and come all the way around the second floor to see me to ask if I want to a session with her, I politely decline and then she walks all the way around second floor to get to stair and then walk down the stairs to main bar area on first floor, I mean all the effort with high heels on just to try to hunt a single monger? I admire that and it happens often and each time when I see girls walking up and it seems only me, I almost want to feel like gives her hand sign of cross so she won't have to walk over all the way to hear no in some bullshit polite way LOL!

Sex can be very expensive in America LOL!

McDonald's has settled a lawsuit with former CEO Steve Easterbrook, forcing the disgraced executive to repay his severance package of more than $100 million.

[QUOTE=DistSelgate;2638413]I know there was a topic about theft in a sharks thread before. I saw the scene where the theft victim was reporting to the reception, so. I have commented on it.[/QUOTE]Can happen everywhere when some are not even able to close correctly their locker, or forget their head and money, phone, watch when leaving. Since beginning of 2014 Sharks discovery, for sure much more than 100 visits and was never stolen and same in other clubs visited when I would say not far from 1000 visits. Cameras in Sharks lockers. On some late nights, I was the only not Balkanian at 4/5 am with some quite drunk and I survived. I remember on late night at Globe, when German Joana was washing my tool under shower after our second room on discovery day, some Balkanians watching and seemed mad, I didn't understand what they said but I understood the way Joana answered them, washing me with big smile when few hours before she told me she was scared to go with me, from her complex not to be pretty enough for me. Not wow, but pretty when was blond and generous in bed.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2639334]Sex can be very expensive in America LOL!

McDonald's has settled a lawsuit with former CEO Steve Easterbrook, forcing the disgraced executive to repay his severance package of more than $100 million.[/QUOTE]This for just fucking one woman LOL! 100 million USD sex LOL! We get it for 100 euro baby LOL! Or 50 LOL!

[QUOTE=Recoordy;2639278]Thank you for giving me valuable information.

I checked it.

It was also one of the risks we considered..[/QUOTE]Theft between clients or to clients are very rare thing, I used to wear very expensive watch to FKK, which some girls actually love to have as it is fashion to wear big men's watch as luxury daily on girls, and once I forgot my watch in room, and the girl noticed it and reminded me and gave the watch to me, she could have taken it and sell it for minimum 25000 euro or even bit more, but she did not. Most of girls in FKK are nice and proper.

However, this same girl who honestly reminded me about the watch do always always do try to up sell me LOL! But I guess she know the difference between stealing and try to negotiate you into her business LOL! Also there is theft among girls in dormitory as I wrote, but that has nothing to do with us.

It was good reason for me to stop smoking up in FKK and begin wearing apple watch most of times now LOL!

I only have fond memories of both girls, management, cleaning ladies and fellow mongers in FKK, I never had real bad experience or bad sessions. Only two sessions in 12 years in FKK now was bad session, one was my fault as I cancelled as soon as I enter the room, and another was bad luck, but to be fair it was ok session not bad, it is just that I demand a lot of different things LOL! FKK is safe and fine place, there is no need to worry about safety and only safety is to control yourself as on good days, there could be quite few stunners LOL! It is dangerous place to live close to and it is maybe better for your life to live far and go sometimes, if I live near FKK, I will be tempted to go every day or every two days LOL!

Girls steal each other in their lockers. Usually cameras in guys lockers.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2639618]Theft between clients or to clients are very rare thing![/QUOTE]Thank you for your opinion.

It's a shame that theft happens, but it can happen anywhere.

Even more problematic for us was hearing from our customers that the club didn't respond at all.

Despite the crimes happening in the club.

When I checked the information I received and the sources, I found a similar situation.

[QUOTE=Recoordy;2639278]Thank you for giving me valuable information.

I checked it.

It was also one of the risks we considered.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Sharks is just one of several clubs around Frankfurt and I also don't think sharks is suitable for beginners.

Then how about Oase? I have never had a bad experience there. It's a club worth a try.

[QUOTE=DistSelgate;2640165]Sharks is just one of several clubs around Frankfurt and I also don't think sharks is suitable for beginners.

Then how about Oase? I have never had a bad experience there. It's a club worth a try.[/QUOTE]Oase is one of the riskiest to be fucked for money by long time girls who are so used to fuck Asians since long time. I would say since 2015. And new fresh beauties usually don t stay for long because quite slow business except on Summer when guys enjoy more the garden than girls. Oase need many long time girls retire, then only will be able to improve for girls level. I would never advice a newbie to start at Oase. 0 room for me on this year. Despite Iranian Shiva but not slim enough for me when I could say very big ass, and not even wow face out of sophisticated short hairstyle, no wow look to desire.

[QUOTE=Recoordy;2640099]Thank you for your opinion.

It's a shame that theft happens, but it can happen anywhere.

Even more problematic for us was hearing from our customers that the club didn't respond at all.

Despite the crimes happening in the club.

When I checked the information I received and the sources, I found a similar situation.[/QUOTE]Theft happen only between girls and I never heard any theft in FKK from clients, only thing new more naive clients have to watch out is to give into girls upsell as penis taking total control of thinking LOL! But overall, girls in FKK are fair enough!

Other than that FKK is fine and safe place that is worth vising even from far away place LOL! I have been flying penis into those girls pussy, mouth and anal for good reasons LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2640428]Theft happen only between girls and I never heard any theft in FKK from clients, only thing new more naive clients have to watch out is to give into girls upsell as penis taking total control of thinking LOL! But overall, girls in FKK are fair enough!

Other than that FKK is fine and safe place that is worth vising even from far away place LOL! I have been flying penis into those girls pussy, mouth and anal for good reasons LOL![/QUOTE]I'm actually looking at the victim. You just don't know it. But no problem, it is impossible for anyone to grasp everything.

[QUOTE=DistSelgate;2640165]Sharks is just one of several clubs around Frankfurt and I also don't think sharks is suitable for beginners.

Then how about Oase? I have never had a bad experience there. It's a club worth a try.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your specific advice. I will use it as a reference. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Recoordy;2641048]I'm actually looking at the victim. You just don't know it. But no problem, it is impossible for anyone to grasp everything.[/QUOTE]Ok, well in life or in any ecosystem, there are losers and winners, I never witnessed or heard any theft in FKK between clients or to clients, but there must be as I was kindly warned before that not to put money in normal locker, but to put money in safe box, there must have been a reason for that!

I love fucking the shit out of young German stunner level beautiful-est blonde girls LOL!

Nothing better, it is like eating forbidden apple in the garden of eden on earth LOL!

Whatta wonderful world we live in LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2641320]I love fucking the shit out of young German stunner level beautiful-est blonde girls LOL!

Nothing better, it is like eating forbidden apple in the garden of eden on earth LOL!

Whatta wonderful world we live in LOL![/QUOTE]Who is on your list currently to meet these criteria?

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2641576]Who is on your list currently to meet these criteria?[/QUOTE]Currently, my masturbation holes are on my list to finish the job as I cannot even travel LOL!

The last German stunner I fucked was Linda last February before the lock down measure is imposed!

Now I can expect the guy who do not wash teeth and not attractive enough clients to get DFK from Stella in palace to comment about Linda wrongly to boost his ego, but whether he like it or not, Linda is considered top in globe both by clients and also by Ingo himself as I did have discussion with him and he also think she is among the top girls, and had good debate as I had other Romanian girl who I thought was as good! So the guy who do not wash his teeth only once per year and not even able to get DFK by Stella in palace is wrong and simply have very bad taste LOL!