Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1948126]Another Spanish lesson? Heh.

I've seen it used the same as the word pimp.[/QUOTE]Puto used the same as pimp? Dickhead you must be paying this guy for our laughing pleasure. I guess cabron means lover. He might be better off using a translator.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1948037]What did it translate to? It doesn't really translate but the closest thing in US English might be "Well, get a load of you!" I thought the poster's comment about "it sucks that you need a drug to help you perform" was pretty rude, and I'm a dickhead. Probably English is not his first language. I think a lot of us know that even if you don't "need" Viagra to "help you perform," it can be a handy tool. And yeah, a lot of us are old. A translator can also be a useful tool, but if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything might start to look like a nail. Translators suck because they can't handle homonyms or regionalisms, which is why I made the earlier joke about running "listo caballero" through a translator. Some hooker did that and posted the results to the board, hoping to drum up business, and it made NO sense and a pretty high level of Spanish would be needed to figure out what she meant.

So if your friend says, "I bought a new BMW for 120,000 dollars" or "I fucked Miley Cyrus last night," you could say 'Mira vos!' Does that make sense? It should literally translate as 'look at you. '.[/QUOTE]I agree with your comments regarding the poster. Probably a "young whipper snapper" feeling sorry for us old farts. You actually went pretty lightly on him using "Mira vos" in responding to his post.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1948182]Puto used the same as pimp? Dickhead you must be paying this guy for our laughing pleasure. I guess cabron means lover. He might be better off using a translator.[/QUOTE]I don't think this poster was saying that novio and puto are the same word in Spanish but that the guys girlfriend was a working girl.

It can mean an easy rider, according to the internet, but I have never heard it used that way and the net did not say where it had that connotation. Means a homosexual in my world.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1948229]It can mean an easy rider, according to the internet, but I have never heard it used that way and the net did not say where it had that connotation. Means a homosexual in my world.[/QUOTE]So if a guy says: "yo trabajaba de puto" it may mean he's a male prostitute?

And yes that's an exact quote from this guy who was the "boyfriend" of this girl I was fucking. I always thought it meant he was a pimp.

Yes, a puto is a male prostitute. It translates as "faggot" in Argentina. It may mean pimp somewhere but I think in that context, it would just mean a guy who didn't have a job and let his girlfriend support her. However, I have never heard it used that way in any Spanish-speaking country I've been to, which is almost all of them. What country did you hear that in? "Trabajaba" is the past tense, so he may have been saying he used to be a prostitute.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1948243]Yes, a puto is a male prostitute. It translates as "faggot" in Argentina. It may mean pimp somewhere but I think in that context, it would just mean a guy who didn't have a job and let his girlfriend support her. However, I have never heard it used that way in any Spanish-speaking country I've been to, which is almost all of them. What country did you hear that in? "Trabajaba" is the past tense, so he may have been saying he used to be a prostitute.[/QUOTE]Venezuela. I had thought "de puto" meant "of prostitutes" meaning he was a pimp. As far as I know he's nowhere near gay. I met him a couple of times. Just typical young latino macho dude.

Haven't been there in forty years so it could be Venezuelan slang. Usually the preposition would be 'como' (yo trabajo como cocinero) but that varies a lot from place to place. The more common word for pimp is 'chulo' in most of the places I have been. Maybe he was just jerking your chain. 'Trabajaba [B]con[/B] putas,' meaning 'I worked with hookers,' is another way I have heard pimps describe themselves, similar to a hooker saying 'Trabajo con hombres. '.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1948005]This is very very bad advice.

(1) She lied to him. She's not new to the mansion. No chica is "new" to the Mansion.[/QUOTE]Not be argumentative, but every chica who has ever worked at the Mansion was new there one time.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1948005]This is very very bad advice.

(1) She lied to him. She's not new to the mansion. No chica is "new" to the Mansion.

(2) If they play the novia game it's another lie. It just means you're getting it wholesale.

(3) Since you're paying for the trip you're not obligated to give her anything but trust me she'll bring it up in a subtle way if she needs money.

Do not under any circumstances believe a working girl who tells you she's new to the business. If they were new they would not have the nerve to tell you or go on a trip with you. She's done this before.[/QUOTE]Bad advice to find out how much she wants upfront (besides the trip and food)? It just seems kind of logical to me.

I don't think anyone will find their real novia overnight at the Mansion or any other casa in MDE or other place.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;1948165]No shortage of Romeos in cyberspace, that's for sure. My favorite are the stories where the sex workers cry over them at the airport. These cyber playboys are heartless on top of it all.[/QUOTE]Not going to lie but my amiguita from St. Maarten who was a working girl did cry the last night I was with her. Believe it or not working girls experience the same emotions as normal women. I was seeing her for 3 months and she always stayed at my apartment on the weekends. Not all of these girls are hardened sex workers void of emotion.

If you pursue this hobby a lot, from time to time you run into a girl that legitimately wants to spend time with you. IMO one needs to keep in mind what that entails. Generally the girl will dig her claws into you and not want you to bone other chicas. I've had this happen a few times, and the "free" sex usually didn't end up being worth it. A decent % of these chicas can get psycho /violent.

So if the OP goes to Cartagena with this girl for "free," he should be prepared that she might freak out seeing him with other girls at the Mansion (of course she can fuck other guys because it's her "job"). Sometimes it's better to keep things straightforward and just tell her you're going to pay her and you have no other obligation to her.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1948257]Not be argumentative, but every chica who has ever worked at the Mansion was new there one time.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing he meant it's not their first time having sex for money, which is almost always true. Viritually all girls that come to the Mansion have plied their trade somewhere else first.

We have all had it happen. Some pro girls try to stick it out for the big move " major pay off". Some are new to the game and if you are nice and fun then its a great exit strategy for them. I've toyed with this a few times and the free end of it never works out. Easier to pay and have zero obligation. From what I gather any normal chick not from money that is attractive will accept money for time here and there. But here is an option if you guys like playing the field then there are a few set ups where they bring 100 chicks a night that are begging to meet american men for marriage. Its fun and met a few good girls. Found 2 in columbia and 1 in Costa Rica. I am sure there are more but if you want a legit girl then I would suggest looking outside of the mansion, even though the girls there can be good. The little tours where you meet girls I'm sure with it being in Colombia that they at some point might of sold themselves but they are there to meet a good man so chances of them being legit are much better. Check out I love Latins and TLC Colombia and spanish eyes Costa Rica if you are interested.

[QUOTE=Lowkey1;1948316]From what I gather any normal chick not from money that is attractive will accept money for time here and there.[/QUOTE]And just how did you gather that? You paint with a broad brush. That was never a normal chick to begin with.

[QUOTE=CarlosVives;1948274]Not going to lie but my amiguita from St. Maarten who was a working girl did cry the last night I was with her. Believe it or not working girls experience the same emotions as normal women. I was seeing her for 3 months and she always stayed at my apartment on the weekends. Not all of these girls are hardened sex workers void of emotion.[/QUOTE]Well they are good actors as well. I am reminded of the Rio days. I met a chick on Cupid who had confessed to being a former hooker but said she had squared up and was working in an office. This was back when msn messenger was the way to communicate. So we were talking getting to know each other and the next time I went to Rio she came and stayed with me. She wanted me to go to Rio Sul mall with her so she could buy a washer and dryer. She had a fat knot (which she said her dad gave her to buy the appliances) but they did not have the one that was in the sales paper that she had brought along. A bait and switch thing.

So I went back to the States and we continued to get to know each other. The next time I went to Rio (which was not long after) I did not let her know. One night I went up and stood at my normal spot in front of Help Disco next to the door. Guess who walks up to go into the club? She felt ashamed as shit and kept trying to explain herself. Then she asked if she could go back with me. NOPE.

So how are you to discern whether they are displaying genuine emotion for you or just acting? Why even take the chance? Just get a chick who you know is not a hooker. Or is that not possible? Because if you can not get a normal chick to display emotion like that for you, then you can pretty much guarantee yourself that the hooker you thought was in love with you is full of shit. Or better yet, stop giving them money and see how much emotion they still have for you.

P.S. I used to cry on cue (by keeping my eyes open and staring at one spot - just did the shit right now; I still got it) when running game on chicks. That means jack shit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1948346] I used to cry on cue when running game on chicks.[/QUOTE]That is pathetic.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1948346]Well they are good actors as well. I am reminded of the Rio days. I met a chick on Cupid who had confessed to being a former hooker but said she had squared up and was working in an office. This was back when msn messenger was the way to communicate. So we were talking getting to know each other and the next time I went to Rio she came and stayed with me. She wanted me to go to Rio Sul mall with her so she could buy a washer and dryer. She had a fat knot (which she said her dad gave her to buy the appliances) but they did not have the one that was in the sales paper that she had brought along. A bait and switch thing.

So I went back to the States and we continued to get to know each other. The next time I went to Rio (which was not long after) I did not let her know. One night I went up and stood at my normal spot in front of Help Disco next to the door. Guess who walks up to go into the club? She felt ashamed as shit and kept trying to explain herself. Then she asked if she could go back with me. NOPE..[/QUOTE]She was my amiguita, we were amigos con derechos, friends with benefits. As I already said in a previous post I was only paying the house multa $70 per shift and they have two shifts per day (she gets none of it) and she would stay at my apartment from Friday to Sunday. I wasn't giving her money. The in (ability) or limited ability to express emotion is only found in psychopaths and people who fall under the Autism spectrum of diseases. Whether or not you believe an emotion is real is not the issue. The issue is circumstance. She would have not gained anything by crying. It wasn't even a full on cry. She softly sobbed into the pillow the got up and immediately went to the bathroom. She tried to hide it but couldn't. The fact that I even have to explain how emotions work to you is disturbing. That was the last time I saw her.

[QUOTE=CarlosVives;1948274]Not going to lie but my amiguita from St. Maarten who was a working girl did cry the last night I was with her. Believe it or not working girls experience the same emotions as normal women. I was seeing her for 3 months and she always stayed at my apartment on the weekends. Not all of these girls are hardened sex workers void of emotion.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing, and yes, the Casanova phenomenon is alive and well in cyberspace. Make no mistake about it, and especially in forums such as these.

Probably the most entertaining aspect of the crying tales are the vigorous arguments put forth to defend such reports. Is a highly underestimated, undervalued aspect of message board lore, Cudos.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjMNOouIb0k[/URL]

[QUOTE=Barkey;1948264]Bad advice to find out how much she wants upfront (besides the trip and food)? It just seems kind of logical to me.[/QUOTE]Not at all. In your original post you were trying to probe if this woman had feelings for the guy (or I thought you were). That's the part I thought was bad. My only problem with asking up front is that the girl might be humiliated. Best to just give them what you think is reasonable in the end. That's how I do it. It's completely correct to assume taking a girl on a nice trip (especially outside of Colombia) is special for her, and she will enjoy herself.

There's been some discussion here on emotions during these trips, and even violence. My own observation is that a girl crying, or getting angry all of a sudden may have nothing to do with the guy she's taking the trip with. Something else might be going on in her life that she's not talking about. Also, if you see sudden fits of rage that seem like over reactions it's usually because the girl is having trouble coping with reality. I forgot the term for it in psychiatry. It's essentially when reality and perception don't align and the person realizes it. So she might get a dirty look from a waiter for hanging out with her old sex tourist boyfriend and that could set it off for the rest of the trip. Only because she convinced herself prior to heading out that the trip would really be a magical romantic affair.

I've only had one chica pull a knife on me before (and she swung a beer bottle at my head), on a trip, and I just called COPA and bought her a ticket back the next day. I don't think she would have hurt me physically. I think she was behaving the same way she behaves with her novio because a few minutes later she ran to bed and stared crying. The entire thing was surreal. I was sitting on the coach the entire time. It was like watching a one-man soap opera, heh.

Anyway good stuff. This certainly generated a lot of discussion.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;1948165]No shortage of Romeos in cyberspace, that's for sure. My favorite are the stories where the sex workers cry over them at the airport. These cyber playboys are heartless on top of it all.[/QUOTE]Many "cyber playboys" are also one week millionaires and pay these chicas good money. I could well understand why they would cry at the airport.

[QUOTE=CarlosVives;1948356]She was my amiguita, we were amigos con derechos, friends with benefits. As I already said in a previous post I was only paying the house multa $70 per shift and they have two shifts per day (she gets none of it) and she would stay at my apartment from Friday to Sunday. I wasn't giving her money. [/QUOTE]It is hard to believe that a known hooker is going to leave work and stay with someone for free on their busiest days, but I guess stranger things have happened. I know if a chick told me to skip work for 3 days every week and come stay with her then I would look at her like she had 3 titties.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1948506]I've only had one chica pull a knife on me before (and she swung a beer bottle at my head), on a trip, and I just called COPA and bought her a ticket back the next day. I don't think she would have hurt me physically. I think she was behaving the same way she behaves with her novio because a few minutes later she ran to bed and stared crying. The entire thing was surreal. I was sitting on the coach the entire time. It was like watching a one-man soap opera, heh.Anyway good stuff. This certainly generated a lot of discussion.[/QUOTE]Man I don't know how you can be with a Chica that pulls a knife on you and swings beer bottles at you. The worst I've ever had a Chica do is tear up some clothes I gave her in a rage and when this happened I cut her loose immediately.

My bet is the sex must of been off the charts with her. Some of the whacky / psycho Chicas can get pretty wild which can be very hard to resist, at least that has been my personal experience.

Your lucky this Chica didn't cut your dick off while you were sleeping, I would stay away from her, unless the sex is so incredible you can't resist and are willing to take the chance that something horrible could happen!

Let me rephrase any normal girl working a normal job that is pretty dabbles in play to pay in Colombia. Its way more normal and acceptable in Colombia.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1948327]And just how did you gather that? You paint with a broad brush. That was never a normal chick to begin with.[/QUOTE]

I love you guys are calling out the on line casanovas, the 5 day millionaire etc etc. For some people its a fantasy island, then back to reality. Everyone wants to feel special and unique. I have seen guys get pissed when they TLN a chick and next day she is hanging on someone else. I think to myself "did he actually think he was special?" They all are good actresses and that's part of the reason you go there. You feel special, you feel wanted, you bag a smoking hot chick, she does what you want, and its really not expensive. I saw this old man down at the mansion bragging to us he had a girlfriend there and he cheated on her with 2 chicks, like he was some sort of big deal. He was old and fat and shuffled around. He just wanted to be one the boys getting girls. Deep down this is probably the guy that cries. You got to remember this is probably the only way a majority of the people get ass, so this is it. One day ill be 65 sitting in the mansion with 100 MG of viagra flowing and some young hottie bouncing on it and ill run to the breakfast table to tell the tales of the night before with all the other guys. Just remember, its not hard to get one of these girls for free, but deep down, is it worth it? Is it really free if your going out to eat and running around in taxis etc, its all relative.

Again. I pose the question. Is there another "mansion" somewhere else? The friendships, the girls, the set up. Its all great. The only place close it GIottos spot in Thailand, but girls are falling out of trees there so not exactly hard to line it up and its so busy you don't really want to stay put in Bangkok.

Blackbeard's in the DR might qualify.

[QUOTE=Lowkey1;1948567]

Again. I pose the question. Is there another "mansion" somewhere else? The friendships, the girls, the set up. Its all great. The only place close it GIottos spot in Thailand, but girls are falling out of trees there so not exactly hard to line it up and its so busy you don't really want to stay put in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Habanos bar and Veneto Casino in Panama City. Stay at the Hyatt. They are both 5 minutes walking distance from the Hyatt which is chica friendly.

Average price is $100 USD for an hour. There's more in the Panama forum. Only problem with PC is that it's mostlwhy boring during the day, but ItalianGringo mentioned Medellin was also kinda boring during the day.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1948570]Habanos bar and Veneto Casino in Panama City. Stay at the Hyatt. They are both 5 minutes walking distance from the Hyatt which is chica friendly.[/QUOTE]I think you misunderstood his question. He wants to know if there are places where you stay that have P4 P chicas on the premises. Herman closed or sold Livingstone Lodge in Bangkok. Like DH said there is Blackbeards and Field of Dreams in Puerto Plata. There was a place on Margarita Island but I think that guy got busted. Then there is the place in Costa Rica.

What place in Costa Rica? Not aware of any that are private, like the Mansion. Do you mean La Amistad? Because there are many places in Costa Rica with "house chicas," but as far as I know any dickhead can walk into any of them, unlike Medellíand Mansion or my understanding of the two places you mention in the DR. Of those two, I heard FOD was somewhat moribund at this point.

There are hotels all over the world with hookers you can take to your room if you are staying there, or take somewhere else. I think the question is about places where if you stay there, only the people who stay there have access to the hookers. If anyone wants a hotel to stay at with tons of hot hookers, I would recommend Scandic hotel in Tallinn, Estonia, but there is nothing private about it.

[QUOTE=Lowkey1;1948557]Let me rephrase any normal girl working a normal job that is pretty dabbles in play to pay in Colombia. Its way more normal and acceptable in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Yep. It is that exact same thinking that got Cuba Dave put in jail. Board member Frenzy in the Philippines locked up. Peter in Sosua arrested. David in Peru under the jail. And didn't someone not too long ago post about a guy who was on some university campus passing out flyers who got what...incarcerated? Get out to meet some regular people then get back to me.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1948617]I think the question is about places where if you stay there, only the people who stay there have access to the hookers.[/QUOTE]I do not think there is anywhere that if you are not staying there then you do not get access to the hookers. You may have to pay an entry fee or may have to pay the house a fee for the chick to leave. But you can for sure get a chick there. (Not sure why you would want to. Chicks can be found much cheaper outside of such establishments.) Money talks and bullshit walks.

Well, no, what got all of those people incarcerated was trying to [B]make money[/B] off of pussy. Anyone with half a brain knows that pussy [B]costs[/B] money, always and everywhere. And anyone with three quarters of a brain knows that 'free' pussy is approximately 2 to 3 times as expensive. All those people, a couple of whom I know, tried to either make a net profit or at least defray their pussy expenses. So take some advice, or don't, from someone who has been using hookers for 45 years now. Forget TLN. Forget taking hookers on trips. Forget the whole non-existent concept of 'semi-pros. ' Confine your activities to where prostitution is legal, don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in the locals' pond, be very careful about taking photos and what you do with them, and don't develop hubris because you have been getting away with X for why length of time. Review the story of Icarus. None of us has wings, and to the extent we think we do, they are for sure made of wax. If you can't afford it, work and save until you can. Don't try to short cut by shilling or pimping. The former makes you a douche bag and the latter might make you end up in some really bad places. Like Devoto in Argentina. Look it up. A guy I know is in there now for thinking he could just 'introduce some friends to some friends' and just take a little bit of a cut on the deal.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1948624]I do not think there is anywhere that if you are not staying there then you do not get access to the hookers. You may have to pay an entry fee or may have to pay the house a fee for the chick to leave. But you can for sure get a chick there. (Not sure why you would want to. Chicks can be found much cheaper outside of such establishments.) Money talks and bullshit walks.[/QUOTE]If you do not stay at the Mansion in Medellin, you do not get in. Period. End of story. You are getting yourself into a hole like Trump so you need to throw your shovel away and stop digging.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1948627]Well, no, what got all of those people incarcerated was trying to [B]make money[/B] off of pussy. [/QUOTE]Exactly. Because their thinking was that it is way more normal and acceptable so why not try to make some money off of it.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1948628]If you do not stay at the Mansion in Medellin, you do not get in. Period. End of story. You are getting yourself into a hole like Trump so you need to throw your shovel away and stop digging.[/QUOTE]Nothing against the Mansion, but seems lots of posts seem to revolve around the Mansion. Perhaps it's time it had it's own thread on this Forum like other business's do on other Forums.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1948628]If you do not stay at the Mansion in Medellin, you do not get in. Period. End of story. You are getting yourself into a hole like Trump so you need to throw your shovel away and stop digging.[/QUOTE]Exception to the rule is if one is a select close friend of Greg or Robert.

I just got back from my 2nd trip to Medellin in 3 months. Although the main purpose of both trips were not mongering, I managed to check out many places still on my spare time.

Casa de cita, this is the best value of the mongering venue in Medellin. Quality of chicas varied from casa to casa, and from time to time. But often, one can find a hidden gem. I hit these casas on both of my trips and had satisfactory experiences on all encounters and half of them excellent. There are drawbacks as well. Most of these casas are located on average to rough neighborhood, so safety should not be overlooked when taking a tour of these casas. They only operate during the day, and mostly close on Sundays. Some Spanish skill is a prerequisite for full enjoyment with the chicas.

I want to especially mention this place called casa de piedra on Av. Oriental #50 a-54, a large private residence run by Nanci. This is a very interesting establishment. I don't know if this has always been a casa de chicas or it was transferred from a private residence into a working girl house? Nanci always has a few girls on premises, and she can call many more who live nearby. I went there on my first trip, but arrive too early that girls were not ready for a presentation. I didn't want to wait for her to call in girls from outside, so left. This time, I went there around 9 PM. There were only 2 girls at the premises, but she called this 18 year old blond who arrived in about 15 minutes, a stunning 8. 5 beautiful paisa whose name escaped me. The section was slightly above average, but nothing to write home about. And it was after I put up my best act in Spanish that warmed her up. I could image a cold section if I don't speak Spanish. I think the chica cost was 220 k, but Nanci will automatically pour a drink for the girl without your approval, a whisky in my case. At the end, the damage for the hour fun came out to be 290 K, very expensive in Medellin standard. I think she has a couple diamonds in her stable, but I probably won't go back since I felt ripped off for the drinks I didn't order and her other girls are just average that you can find in other places with lower prices.

Strip clubs, I went to Luna Luneta and Face Dos on 2 separate nights but had similar experience on both clubs. Average quality of chicas is higher in these clubs than in the casas, but same goes for the cost. With the cover, drinks, constant demand for tips from stripping dancers and finally the cost for doing the deed with the girls in their facility, the total can come out to be many times more than the cost at the casas. On both occasions, I chose and paid for one hour with the girls instead of a quick 30 min. Section, and both times, the phone rang in less than 40 min. These setups definitely cater to richer locals and foreigners, but to me, not as good value as the casas. The best option in these places is to go there late and stay until they close. Strike a deal with the girls privately and take them somewhere when they get off from work. A couple girls suggested this option, but I had to politely decline them due to my compromiso the following morning.

There are a couple higher end massage places I wanted to try, but couldn't find time to do so, Thai Spa and Energy. I will keep them on my to-do list next trip.

I didn't feel the need to stay at the Mansion, so have no experience with them. I believe there is a value to the convenience they provide for guys who don't want to deal with the all the hassles.

World Traveler was kind enough to send me his map of interesting places in Medellin on my second trip. It is a great tool and saved me tons of time in looking up places.

To me, I think Medellin is overhyped as a top mongering destination. It is if you live here permanently or stay for extended period of time, and have built up a network of willing chicas at your disposal. For lone travelers who only come here for a few days, I think many other cities are just as good or better. As some posters said very recently that lack of other activities can really limit the fun Medellin offers. Safety, especially in the area where our hobby takes place, is always a big concern. I feel more comfortable walking round the rough neighborhood in Casco Viejo in Panama City than in el Centro, Medellin. I do agree Colombian women are among the most beautiful women in the world, and Medellin certainly is filled with a lot of them. Paisas are very proud of their beauty. Take a look at the runners on the blocked street in front of Santa Fe Mall on Sunday morning or hang around at the bars of restaurants in Poblado on weekends and you will know what I mean. For me, I would rather come here to enjoy the beauty of Paisa, moderate and comfortable weather year round, reasonable good quality food and hotel and friendly people instead of holding high expectation and make big efforts to come here for mongering.

[QUOTE=Barkey;1946608].

Would I go back A tough decision. Definitely for the women. The cost of airfare from LOS Angeles and hotels is a bargain when compared to SXM. All Good. The downside is what to do in your down time. I missed having a nice beach to hang out at during the day. If it wasn't for having a companion at my side for most of the trip I probably would have been a bit bored. But that's just me.

Anyway, I hope this info will help someone.

Barkey.[/QUOTE]Great Report; very informative. It sounds like the talent pool runs deep in Medellin. As tempting as you make it sound I'm not sure I would have the courage to venture there by myself.

Looking forward to my return trip to SXM in November. I'll have a beer or two for ya at the casa's.

Knoteebuoy.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1948641]Nothing against the Mansion, but seems lots of posts seem to revolve around the Mansion. Perhaps it's time it had it's own thread on this Forum like other business's do on other Forums.[/QUOTE]The mansion has its own thread and has had for, oh, ten years or so now.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1948641]Nothing against the Mansion, but seems lots of posts seem to revolve around the Mansion. Perhaps it's time it had it's own thread on this Forum like other business's do on other Forums.[/QUOTE]There is already a Mansion thread, been active for a long time. Scroll down the Colombia page, it's "Casa Blanca Medellin" in the "User Blog" section.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1948723]The mansion has its own thread and has had for, oh, ten years or so now.[/QUOTE]Interesting it's kind of like they actually have one and a half threads with all the press their getting on the Medellin thread.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1948535]Man I don't know how you can be with a Chica that pulls a knife on you and swings beer bottles at you. The worst I've ever had a Chica do is tear up some clothes I gave her in a rage and when this happened I cut her loose immediately.

My bet is the sex must of been off the charts with her. Some of the whacky / psycho Chicas can get pretty wild which can be very hard to resist, at least that has been my personal experience.
[/QUOTE]She was worth it. She did some crazy shit. If I went to the bathroom in the middle of the night, I'd find her bent over at the bathroom's doorway, or she'd run up to the sink, plant her leg on top and give me the dirtiest look. I've never in my life encountered a woman so ready to get fucked. At meals she'd insist on feeding me, and doing all kinds of sexy shit. All this was raw bareback.

Her novio knocked her up recently, so the adventure is over. No not my kid. I hadn't seen her for a few months before she got her ultrasound so I know its his.

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Your lucky this Chica didn't cut your dick off while you were sleeping, I would stay away from her, unless the sex is so incredible you can't resist and are willing to take the chance that something horrible could happen![/QUOTE]She never actually made any physical contact. She would just lose her shit over the smallest things sometimes. If she ever got stressed she'd start telling wild tales and all kinds of crazy shit. I swear if she wasn't so crazy I might have actually gotten serious with her just because it was the wildest experience of my life, haha.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1948876]She was worth it. She did some crazy shit. If I went to the bathroom in the middle of the night, I'd find her bent over at the bathroom's doorway, or she'd run up to the sink, plant her leg on top and give me the dirtiest look. I've never in my life encountered a woman so ready to get fucked. At meals she'd insist on feeding me, and doing all kinds of sexy shit. All this was raw bareback.

Her novio knocked her up recently, so the adventure is over. No not my kid. I hadn't seen her for a few months before she got her ultrasound so I know its his.

She never actually made any physical contact. She would just lose her shit over the smallest things sometimes. If she ever got stressed she'd start telling wild tales and all kinds of crazy shit. I swear if she wasn't so crazy I might have actually gotten serious with her just because it was the wildest experience of my life, haha.[/QUOTE]After reading what you originally wrote I figured there was a reason you where with this Chica.

From what you have just described, I have been there, and it's hard to resist a Chica like this, at least for me, but can be very perilous.

I'm going to be in Medellin for a week in November, followed by five days in Cartagena. How is the casino scene in Medellin? Are they low key and boring?

The reason I ask is I'm starting to wonder if I should do a week in Cartagena and just five days in Medellin. From everything I've read, after doing the tourist thing Medellin can be very boring during the day.

[QUOTE=Lowkey1;1948567]I love you guys are calling out the on line casanovas, the 5 day millionaire etc etc. For some people its a fantasy island, then back to reality. Everyone wants to feel special and unique. I have seen guys get pissed when they TLN a chick and next day she is hanging on someone else. I think to myself "did he actually think he was special?" They all are good actresses and that's part of the reason you go there. You feel special, you feel wanted, you bag a smoking hot chick, she does what you want, and its really not expensive. I saw this old man down at the mansion bragging to us he had a girlfriend there and he cheated on her with 2 chicks, like he was some sort of big deal. He was old and fat and shuffled around. He just wanted to be one the boys getting girls. Deep down this is probably the guy that cries. You got to remember this is probably the only way a majority of the people get ass, so this is it. One day ill be 65 sitting in the mansion with 100 MG of viagra flowing and some young hottie bouncing on it and ill run to the breakfast table to tell the tales of the night before with all the other guys. Just remember, its not hard to get one of these girls for free, but deep down, is it worth it? Is it really free if your going out to eat and running around in taxis etc, its all relative.

Again. I pose the question. Is there another "mansion" somewhere else? The friendships, the girls, the set up. Its all great. The only place close it GIottos spot in Thailand, but girls are falling out of trees there so not exactly hard to line it up and its so busy you don't really want to stay put in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Good post-its all about the fantasy. Guys who are solid enough to emerse themselves in it in the moment, but know the score in the morning, do well. Regardless of the stage of life.

The only places that are close to this that I can think of are the Sportsmans Lodge in San Jose, and its a slightly different deal. Same clubby feel though, which is an essential part of both.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1948876]She was worth it. She did some crazy shit. If I went to the bathroom in the middle of the night, I'd find her bent over at the bathroom's doorway, or she'd run up to the sink, plant her leg on top and give me the dirtiest look. I've never in my life encountered a woman so ready to get fucked. At meals she'd insist on feeding me, and doing all kinds of sexy shit. All this was raw bareback.
If she ever got stressed she'd start telling wild tales and all kinds of crazy shit. I swear if she wasn't so crazy I might have actually gotten serious with her just because it was the wildest experience of my life, haha.[/QUOTE]It does not happen often but I have been there too. As I am sure many here have. Day trips, weekend trips. Spontaneous meetups. Sleeping over consecutive days or even weeks in a row. Sex anywhere anytime with intense passion. Just incredible. I described it as the most addictive drug. All this goes hand in hand with the topic of taking chicas on trips. Chicas who have grown up with little to nothing, have little to nothing to lose or have grown up under incredibly unstable circumstances that adrenaline spikes in the blood stream are what they are comfortable and accustomed to. Hence, not all, but A LOT of paisas can get pretty psycho when they think they found some security, safety and the possibility of a better life, only to find they are at risk of losing it all to some other "perra" as I have heard them call each other frequently. Then once she starts telling her family about you, they start to think what's in it for them too and you quickly see how fast they fall in love with you too. Until your generosity does not live up to their expectations. Then you have a whole family to make your life very uncomfortable simply because they have nothing better to do and they feel slighted. Be very very careful with who you wife-up to. I have found that girls with kids tend to be less crazy and unfortunately, less passionate. However, a lot of them have aunts, mothers and grandmothers who end up assuming the responsability of caring for the child because the mother is simply too immature or crazy.

I literally gave a loan to, who I thought was a great girl's, mom to put a roof / second floor on her small house. She owned a small store and asked me for a loan with a written promise to pay me back. With terms. IT was about 800 dollars. Well, the terms came and went and I was very patient and calm about the whole situation. I remained friendly and I even avoided the topic waiting for them to bring it up. Long story short, they eventiually paid me back but somehow I became the villain. Literally, in ALL subsequent interractions, I was referred to as cheap and accused of not doing anything unless there was some sort of interest in it for me. Mind you, I have brought them gifts, food, in troduced the girl to my friends along with a cheerful open attitude every time I invited the girl out or saw her family. Yet the mother, every time I would visit, would clear a space for me and literally put a fan at my side and give me a glass of her fresh juice to make me more cofortable, but never offerrred me anything from her store. I bought every beer or piece of candy from her for me and her daughter. My moral is, money is not actually the currency. Time is. The more time you spend the more obligations you assume and the more people expect from you. Be aware of who you spend too much time with. There is this guy who calls himself the dating guru, and always says, give the girl the gift of missing you. As he has described it, it means is don't let her get too comfortable. No matter how great she treats you, make her feel like she ALWAYS needs to be her best if she wants to keep you. Don't let one drop of jealousy or craziness go overlooked.

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;1949306]
Hence, not all, but A LOT of paisas can get pretty psycho when they think they found some security, safety and the possibility of a better life, only to find they are at risk of losing it all to some other "perra" as I have heard them call each other frequently. Then once she starts telling her family about you, they start to think what's in it for them too and you quickly see how fast they fall in love with you too. Until your generosity does not live up to their expectations. Then you have a whole family to make your life very uncomfortable simply because they have nothing better to do and they feel slighted.
[/QUOTE]So this will blow your mind away. This chica was loaded. She came from an extremely wealthy family. They never needed shit. She had a trust fund that paid her 30 million pesos a year, an apartment, and a house all handed to her. I'm pretty sure she also got big chunks of money after she graduated and threw it all away. Her thing is she's an immature little ***** with anger management issues who thinks her shit doesn't stink. She would rather working girl herself out in Panama City for $100 a pop than use her engineering degree to get a real job.

I eventually figured she has the same issues as the bad girl pornstars who come from decent backgrounds but have daddy issues and flush their life down the toilet. I mean really, she had every advantage possible.

The thing that really put me off in the end is her getting knocked up by her novio who treats her like dirt and told her he'd never marry a puta. Instead of, you know, cutting him out of her life, she posts constant old photos of him on facebook and pretends they are together. I realized I had been fucking a person with serious mental health issues, and staying involved any longer would just escalate shit to a place I don't want to be. The pregnancy was completely planned by her. She stopped taking her pills without telling her novio. That shit is scary. I'm not sticking my dick in that snatch.

Going to Medellin in November for my 30th birthday, and been reading a lot the threads. I read that there is a map made by world traveler. However, haven't been able to find it, can anyone help?

[QUOTE=Overseer;1950389]Going to Medellin in November for my 30th birthday, and been reading a lot the threads. I read that there is a map made by world traveler. However, haven't been able to find it, can anyone help?[/QUOTE]Check out Medellin Lists under Colombia forum.

Medellin Halloween Party Announcement.

[QUOTE=Overseer;1950389]Going to Medellin in November for my 30th birthday, and been reading a lot the threads. I read that there is a map made by world traveler. However, haven't been able to find it, can anyone help?[/QUOTE]I'll be there end of November, if you fancy a beer drop me a PM.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1949053]I'm going to be in Medellin for a week in November, followed by five days in Cartagena. How is the casino scene in Medellin? Are they low key and boring?

The reason I ask is I'm starting to wonder if I should do a week in Cartagena and just five days in Medellin. From everything I've read, after doing the tourist thing Medellin can be very boring during the day.[/QUOTE]The casino and bingos / slots didn't seem appealing to me. If you have a Paisa to hang out with it should be a blast, but your trip is short. I would do Cartagena if you have been to Medellin before. But most of my friend says its more expensive and MDE wins.

Girls that advertise as "Pre Pagos," want the money before services rendered?

Pargue Lleras sounds like a fun place to hang.

Not mentioned at all hear, maybe forum rules. But I hear you will be approached a lot for 420 / skiing supplies on the street. True?

I usually wear a western sombrero. Do many guys wear cowboy hats in MDE as they do throughout Mex. & Guat? Might leave it at home as I don't want to be the 6'2" we do that sticks out like a sore thumb.

Or could I be noticed in a good way?

Advantages to changing currency $1000. Usd over using ATM daily? I got a Schwab card.

Any guys use Mileroticos to call in girls or get taxi to girls incall?

Hotel Medellin Plaza. Casa Blanca. Mansion all one and the same?

Thanks, I've searched the shit out of this forum and can't find these answers. Couple weeks and I'm there!

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1947352]Could it be because Viagra's patent has expired but Cialis's has not? You wouldn't think Colombia would give a shit about patents, though. Cialis gives me the shits, although I only have an "n" of 2. I know in Argentina, you can get Cialis without a prescription, whereas Viagra in theory requires a prescription, but you can only get brand name Cialis. No generic exists there. That's why I'm guessing it's a patent issue.[/QUOTE]There is generic tadalafil now everywhere- the patent has expired.

I never went to any casinos in Medellin. There are a few nice ones in Cartagena. I been to Medellin a few times and I think 3 or 4 days there is more then enough. I prefer wed, Thur., Fri., and maybe Saturday. More then that it's not for me. It's a big city and unless you know your way around it can be pretty fucked up. Also I am not into daytime cases so other then walking around during the day there is not much to do.

For me the night life there was great. I always rent a nice condo and head out every night to the wee hours and always had a great time partying and bringing a girl home for a few hours. But day times sucked for me and I don't sleep long hours so even though I would be out late I would still be up early, then later take a nap. Night time is really fun.

I definitely prefer Cartagena to Medellin mainly to walk beach, check out bikini clad women etc. I don't care the water sucks etc etc. I don't go in the water I just like walking for miles on the beach and grabbing a beer at small huts.

I go nuts in Medellin during the day!

But everyone one is different. You know yourself the best. I did like the weather in Medellin. It can be really hot in Cartagena where as Medellin weather was cool and breezy.

Good Luck.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1949053]I'm going to be in Medellin for a week in November, followed by five days in Cartagena. How is the casino scene in Medellin? Are they low key and boring?

The reason I ask is I'm starting to wonder if I should do a week in Cartagena and just five days in Medellin. From everything I've read, after doing the tourist thing Medellin can be very boring during the day.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ZepFan;1951155]I usually wear a western sombrero. Do many guys wear cowboy hats in MDE as they do throughout Mex. & Guat? [/QUOTE]Only on Halloween or any other occasion that they want to look like a plum fool. Google fotos Medellin Centro and see what you come up with.

I've stepped foot in a few casinos in centro, and I do recall they are just parlors full of slot machines. Didn't see any tables games.

CTG is a different story, I did see table games and an occasional game of poker.

[QUOTE=Tryntry;1951281]I've stepped foot in a few casinos in centro, and I do recall they are just parlors full of slot machines. Didn't see any tables games.[/QUOTE]Did you try going upstairs? The casino downtown that I always go eat in has gaming tables upstairs before you get to the restaurant. What does it take for a casino to not be boring? All of them are boring to me.

[QUOTE=Tryntry;1951281]I've stepped foot in a few casinos in centro, and I do recall they are just parlors full of slot machines. Didn't see any tables games.

CTG is a different story, I did see table games and an occasional game of poker.[/QUOTE]We went into one casino near the Santa Fe mall, close to Starbucks / Krispy Creme. Besides the slots there were 4-5 blackjack tables and a roulette table at the far end. A few people at each table. I recall 20 K minimum. Also, as you enter on the right hand side there was a "high limit" room. No one there though.

[QUOTE=ZepFan;1951155]1. Girls that advertise as "Pre Pagos," want the money before services rendered?

2. Pargue Lleras sounds like a fun place to hang.

3. Not mentioned at all hear, maybe forum rules. But I hear you will be approached a lot for 420 / skiing supplies on the street. True?

4. I usually wear a western sombrero. Do many guys wear cowboy hats in MDE as they do throughout Mex. & Guat? Might leave it at home as I don't want to be the 6'2" we do that sticks out like a sore thumb.

Or could I be noticed in a good way?

5. Advantages to changing currency $1000. Usd over using ATM daily? I got a Schwab card.

6. Any guys use Mileroticos to call in girls or get taxi to girls incall?

7. Hotel Medellin Plaza. Casa Blanca. Mansion all one and the same?

Thanks, I've searched the shit out of this forum and can't find these answers. Couple weeks and I'm there![/QUOTE]I numbered your questions so that anyone can follow my responses.

1. I have never had an independent chica in Medellin ask for the money upfront. Casas make their own rules, but I don't think any are out to rip you off.

2. There are many USA Style restaurants around Parque Llerus. Standard prices for food and drinks are a little more there than most other areas. Many restaurants have reduced prices in the afternoon. In the evenings, there are almost always many people there. I have seen some working chicas there, but none that caused my heart to flutter. I am usually out of that area by 10 or 11 pm, so that may be a reason.

3. I have never been approached for that purpose.

4. I think you should leave the cowboy hat at home.

5. No advantages at all, but quite a few disadvantages. You will get a better exchange rate at an ATM, you will not have a large amount of money on you or where you are staying, ATM's are more convenient than cambios, you can take advantage of fluctuations in the exchange rate by using an ATM (that can be good and bad, just like the stock market). I have noticed the ATM's give an exchange rate tied to the previous day's market rate, so that may help you.

6. I have never used Mileroticas, but I have read reports from guys who have used them. All good reports as best I remember.

7. All the same place. You can add Hotel M to that list. They change the name quite often.

First I have to say the girls are a lot prettier IMHO than in Tijuana. Flew in and no problems with taxis from the airport to the Poblado area. All the facebook contacts are getting old and I see one. She was so nice. Stayed way past the time and hanged out with me. In park Lleras there are two streets perpendicular to each other where the prepagos stand. They all know each other and there is one liquor store in the park area with the trees where they all hang out.

2nd girl I got was supposedly new in my apartment complex. More on the white side and she was great too. Ill post pics but I don't want my junk showing. We actually hung out at Santa Fe mall, when to Santo Domingo for the metro.

Now people are suggesting I go Fase 2.

I am looking for the really high end ones. Someone please PM me where to find the high end ones. I like they ones that look very European.

I will also answer 2 of your questions as other member did. I like his thought of numbering them.

#3 yes if you are out at night, you will definitely be asked if you want to make a purchase. I been there 3 times and it's all over the place.

#4 yes I agree leave the cowboy hat at home.

If it's your first time I guess Medellin hotel or whatever it's called is good, but I don't speak espanol and I just rented a nice condo off Airbnb or whatever it's called. I prefer a condo because I like to make my Martini through out the day and I didn't have a doorman. I party hard but am street smart and know how to maneuver around. But I don't recommend this if your not sure of scams and doping.

Good Luck with your trip and you can always pm me.

[QUOTE=ZepFan;1951155]Girls that advertise as "Pre Pagos," want the money before services rendered?

Pargue Lleras sounds like a fun place to hang.

Not mentioned at all hear, maybe forum rules. But I hear you will be approached a lot for 420 / skiing supplies on the street. True?

I usually wear a western sombrero. Do many guys wear cowboy hats in MDE as they do throughout Mex. & Guat? Might leave it at home as I don't want to be the 6'2" we do that sticks out like a sore thumb.

Or could I be noticed in a good way?

Advantages to changing currency $1000. Usd over using ATM daily? I got a Schwab card.

Any guys use Mileroticos to call in girls or get taxi to girls incall?

Hotel Medellin Plaza. Casa Blanca. Mansion all one and the same?

Thanks, I've searched the shit out of this forum and can't find these answers. Couple weeks and I'm there![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1951234]Only on Halloween or any other occasion that they want to look like a plum fool. Google fotos Medellin Centro and see what you come up with.[/QUOTE]You want to dress classy in MDE or your really going to stand out as a tourist. Don't wear shorts either, unless your working out. I always recommend to go to google maps, and street view. And dress as the locals do.

But seriously don't wear shorts, or sandals. My local friends there laugh about how shitty tourists look all the time.

I don't think I saw many hats, especially cowboy hats.

It's great town though, make sure to venture out and go to places like Trilogia Live Bar or something.

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1893696]Ladies.

We all know about the Casas and the pros and where to find them. This report is not about those venues, instead I look for the nonpros and your avarage teen in the street from the barrios.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your alternate approach to mongering BrasilSoccer, I'm sure that you get great pleasure from all aspects of "The Hunt" rather than just laying your money down for a short time event.

Over the years, I got so bored with brothels and clubs that I began to learn the village life in places like the Philippines. In time I got brave and would sometimes approach college girls (18+, of course).

Even when they were walking in the mall with their Aunts or Mothers. I received some hateful looks from the Aunties but also came away with cp #'s at times. That's not so bad for a guy in his 50's, right?

As in your case, sometimes you must play the seduction game for a while but. What is the hurry? When we final get the goal, it's a much better experience than what a professional can provide. That's my experience anyway.

I'll visit Medellin soon and I hope I can have some success there with "regular" girls.

Best regards.

Some people prefer loud music and hookers in the casino. You won't find much of either in Medellin casinos.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1951317]Did you try going upstairs? The casino downtown that I always go eat in has gaming tables upstairs before you get to the restaurant. What does it take for a casino to not be boring? All of them are boring to me.[/QUOTE]

1. Blue Space, Carrera 43 A # 1-41, El Poblado. Tel: 266 45 30. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU1p3ClQV0s[/URL].

2. Gran Casino, Calle 4 Sur # 43 A-27. Tel: 312 83 70. [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g297478-d7658376-Reviews-Gran_Casino_Medellin-Medellin_Antioquia_Department.html[/URL].

3. Havana Casino, In front of the Oviedo Mall, between Poblado and Aguacatala. Tel: 313 29 23.

4. Portofino Casino, Carrera 43 A # 1 Sur 106. Tel: 311 45 57. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1lBk9HBKFE[/URL].

5. Allegre Casino, In the Premium Plaza Shopping Center, Carrera 43 A (Av. El Poblado) and Calle 30. Nice Casino with No Smoking. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/casinoallegremedellin[/URL].

Expedia says there are 77 casinos in El Poblado.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1949053]I'm going to be in Medellin for a week in November, followed by five days in Cartagena. How is the casino scene in Medellin? Are they low key and boring?

The reason I ask is I'm starting to wonder if I should do a week in Cartagena and just five days in Medellin. From everything I've read, after doing the tourist thing Medellin can be very boring during the day.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1951975]1. Blue Space, Carrera 43 A # 1-41, El Poblado. Tel: 266 45 30. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU1p3ClQV0s[/URL].
[/QUOTE]Interestingly on google maps it shows Casino San Fernando at this location, but it may be there as well.

[QUOTE]
Expedia says there are 77 casinos in El Poblado.[/QUOTE]Yes, and they're a ***** to find on google maps. Mostly Google's database doesn't list all the businesses in Medellin.

Thanks World Travel 69!

Excellent advice, dressing nice is rule number one. It goes a long way with projecting yourself in a positive way. Sneakers and shorts doesn't cut it with Colombian women whether working girls or not. I have seen on more then one occasion a Colombian working woman turn down a potential customer because he looked like a clown.

[QUOTE=CincyVirgo;1951505]You want to dress classy in MDE or your really going to stand out as a tourist. Don't wear shorts either, unless your working out. I always recommend to go to google maps, and street view. And dress as the locals do.

But seriously don't wear shorts, or sandals. My local friends there laugh about how shitty tourists look all the time.

I don't think I saw many hats, especially cowboy hats.

It's great town though, make sure to venture out and go to places like Trilogia Live Bar or something.[/QUOTE]

IDK about you guys but I do think that you are all exaggerating in telling someone to dress in a specific way or otherwise you will be socially "outcast". I may not go the whole NFL Jersey with shorts and sandals route, but I don't dress like the average Colombian (I usually wear skinny denim jeans, a regular t-shirt, pair of Jordan's and usually with a snap back or fitting cap.) I certainly have not had problems with getting pussy non-pro or pro.

I've been to el centro Medellin a numerous amount of times and I can tell you, there's a lot of more casinos there than the ones my good friend World Travel 69 has listed. Most are smallish and only offer slots and not much more. And to Mr. Enternational casinos are boring when you lose; when you win money the world is a wonderful place.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1951975]1. Blue Space, Carrera 43 A # 1-41, El Poblado. Tel: 266 45 30. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU1p3ClQV0s[/URL].

2. Gran Casino, Calle 4 Sur # 43 A-27. Tel: 312 83 70. [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g297478-d7658376-Reviews-Gran_Casino_Medellin-Medellin_Antioquia_Department.html[/URL].

3. Havana Casino, In front of the Oviedo Mall, between Poblado and Aguacatala. Tel: 313 29 23.

4. Portofino Casino, Carrera 43 A # 1 Sur 106. Tel: 311 45 57. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1lBk9HBKFE[/URL].

5. Allegre Casino, In the Premium Plaza Shopping Center, Carrera 43 A (Av. El Poblado) and Calle 30. Nice Casino with No Smoking. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/casinoallegremedellin[/URL].

Expedia says there are 77 casinos in El Poblado.[/QUOTE]

In some Latin countries (Peru, Costa Rica etc.) and in the Caribbean there's casinos where you can bet on US baseball, basketball, football games etc. But I never found that in Colombia. Also, I like to play video blackjack, but never found that in Colombia.

But in el centro Medellin there a whole bunch of small casinos, mostly only doing the slot thing.

I am to tag along with some buddies to go the Buenos Aires area bars and discos. I know its dangerous and wanted to know I can tag along in a group. Or can someone give me some information on the area?

[QUOTE=BayBoy;1952132]In some Latin countries (Peru, Costa Rica etc.) and in the Caribbean there's casinos where you can bet on US baseball, basketball, football games etc. But I never found that in Colombia. Also, I like to play video blackjack, but never found that in Colombia.
But in el centro Medellin there a whole bunch of small casinos, mostly only doing the slot thing.[/QUOTE]There are a couple of casinos in Bocagrande, Cartagena. They look big seen from outside, but I never went inside. See below why.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;1952129]And to Mr. Enternational casinos are boring when you lose; when you win money the world is a wonderful place.[/QUOTE]The latter happens on a minority of cases, and never in the long term. It's pure math.

Therefore, the only way to be not bored over a time extent lasting at least one hour is to STAY AWAY from casinos. (I know I cannot convince those who spend hours there, instead).

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1952062]IDK about you guys but I do think that you are all exaggerating in telling someone to dress in a specific way or otherwise you will be socially "outcast".[/QUOTE]A Texan cowboy dressing cowboy boots and cowboy hat looks wonderful in a bar of Austin and will get lots of positive attention by Austin girls there, but if he dares to go strolling adorned like that around streets of El Prado, as well as in Parque LLeras, the only word that will come to the mind of people seeing him will be "CARNIVAL??"

Imagine a boy dressed for the gay parade in Paris (France, not Texas) and teletransport him to Des Moines Main St. (there must be a "Main St. " also in Des Moines). Then you get the picture of people staring at him.

The intention of guys telling someone to not dress in such an eccentric way is totally positively oriented to avoid such a weird effect.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1952287]A Texan cowboy dressing cowboy boots and cowboy hat looks wonderful in a bar of Austin and will get lots of positive attention by Austin girls there, but if he dares to go strolling adorned like that around streets of El Prado, as well as in Parque LLeras, the only word that will come to the mind of people seeing him will be "CARNIVAL??"

Imagine a boy dressed for the gay parade in Paris (France, not Texas) and teletransport him to Des Moines Main St. (there must be a "Main St. " also in Des Moines). Then you get the picture of people staring at him.

The intention of guys telling someone to not dress in such an eccentric way is totally positively oriented to avoid such a weird effect.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the advise! I was thinking the hat might be a bit much. In Mexico and Guatemala it is acceptable and common.

My only nice footwear I have are my boots. Chicks usually dig them, they comment on it so hope it's the same in Col. Footwear is important to girls. Had more than one girls tell me the look at the foot wear as much as say the face.

Great form, big help. 12 days and counting.

[QUOTE=NoMarriage;1952224]I am to tag along with some buddies to go the Buenos Aires area bars and discos. I know its dangerous and wanted to know I can tag along in a group. Or can someone give me some information on the area?[/QUOTE]Go to the Argentina forum. There is plenty of information there. Argentina is not dangerous. Word of advice. Stay away from strip bars. Total con and you'll be stripped of all your money.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1952606]Go to the Argentina forum. There is plenty of information there. Argentina is not dangerous. Word of advice. Stay away from strip bars. Total con and you'll be stripped of all your money.[/QUOTE]Buenos Aires area en Medellin area. That's where you go to find the really young pretty girls but I heard they rob you here and its dangerous. Any Pros want to chime in?

[QUOTE=NoMarriage;1952224]I am to tag along with some buddies to go the Buenos Aires area bars and discos. I know its dangerous and wanted to know I can tag along in a group. Or can someone give me some information on the area?[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1952606]Go to the Argentina forum. There is plenty of information there. Argentina is not dangerous. Word of advice. Stay away from strip bars. Total con and you'll be stripped of all your money.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, you think just maybe he was talking about the Buenos Aires barrio in Medellin?

(Good advice though about the little strip / clip joints in BA Argentina).

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1952287]A Texan cowboy dressing cowboy boots and cowboy hat looks wonderful in a bar of Austin and will get lots of positive attention by Austin girls there, but if he dares to go strolling adorned like that around streets of El Prado, as well as in Parque LLeras, the only word that will come to the mind of people seeing him will be "CARNIVAL??"

Imagine a boy dressed for the gay parade in Paris (France, not Texas) and teletransport him to Des Moines Main St. (there must be a "Main St. " also in Des Moines). Then you get the picture of people staring at him.

The intention of guys telling someone to not dress in such an eccentric way is totally positively oriented to avoid such a weird effect.[/QUOTE]Spot on advice and perfect analogy.

TTM.

[QUOTE=NoMarriage;1952620]Buenos Aires area en Medellin area. That's where you go to find the really young pretty girls but I heard they rob you here and its dangerous. Any Pros want to chime in?[/QUOTE] In the absence of any first hand info, Medellin Living has a page for Comuna Buenos Aires. Doesn't look so bad. Might be worth a visit.

[URL]http://medellinliving.com/buenos-aires/[/URL]

Personally, I enjoy spending a few hours or overnight with the ladies. A couple or few turns in the hay is great, but not just a mechanical pop or two. I also like working on my primitive Spanish, which some girls appreciate and some get frustrated with having to speak slow or repeat themselves.

So the question I have has to do with pricing. I can't remember who wrote a good report on Colombia Cupid and Facebook girls, but he made a good point that unless their Mansion regulars, it is better to not get right down to business and pricing. That works for me except I would appreciate some thoughts on what is the right amount without being cheap (which spoils the very important atmosphere) or lavish (for the long term cost factor).

How much would you consider is fair for 3 hours, 2 pops?

How much for overnight, 2 3 pops?

In the past, I have also had one disappointing experience where the chica agreed to 2 to 3 hours, but we only got it on once. Back then I spoke almost no Spanish, so I'm sure for her it was just a mechanical process, but a quite good one! Anyway, how would you address that issue without being too forward with a non-Mansion girl?

Thanks for sharing your ideas.

Day 1 of 11.

Put on my best Rodeo Clown outfit and met an expat friend at Cento Club Maracaibo at 10p last night. Had a couple of 7k Pilsner beers and moved down the street to Ejecutiva club. For those not in the know these are 2 Centro strip clubs popular with the locals. According to my expat friend, things start hopping here after 10p, and by 12a most of the girls have been taken several times. Of the 2 clubs, Ejecutiva had more chicas. The Ejecutiva dancers went full nude whereas in Maracaibo only some did. Expat found a chica he knew and pulled her. During his absence, 2 dancers hit the stage, stripped and began playing with whip cream. Members of the audience were invited to put whip cream first on the dancers tits, then ass crack and groin area, one guy at a time. At this point the dancers were covered in whip cream. Then whoever wanted too, was invited to put his face between: tits, ass crack and finally pussgy. For the last body part, the dancers were on their back, legs in the air.

A volunteer from the audience was called for, One brave guy stood up: I don't think he was prepared for what was in store for him. Both dancers ganged up on him and stripped him naked. They had him lay down on the stage. One dancer covered her Pussgy with whipped cream, while the other cover his groin with a mountain of whip cream. First dancer sat on his face, the DJ started a count down and at the end the second dancer, slapped the mountain of whip cream. OUCH!! He curled up. LOL.

Expat left after 12a, I moved between Maricaibo and Ejecutiva, and was undecided on who to pull. Settled on Andrea at Maracaibo, 80k for 30min, 150K for 60min. I took the 60min option. I had never been in the Ejecutiva back rooms. Curiously, they're accessed thru a secret door in the men's room. (So this is how it was during the days of Prohibition in the US! Too Cool!) Plus: Ejecutiva rooms are bigger and better than Maracaibo's rooms. Con: Both clubs only have Cold showers. There was a short wait for a room. Ejecutiva's back rooms were busy and only had one guy doing cleanup between sessions. Mission accomplished with Andrea but nuthin spectacular and CBJ too. Don't think I'll repeat.

When I returned back to Ejecutiva's main area is where it got interesting. There was Live Sex being performed on stage. This was around 2:20a. Two naked dancers. Two naked guy sitting on stage, getting BJ's from the dancers. Then Sex: One dancer was riding her guy cowgirl. Other dancer was getting it doggy, then they went at it missionary. Cowgirl made her guy tap out early. After the show ended, noticed that one of the dancers was attractive, the other dancer was a little thick, with an average face. I left after the show ended.

This was my first time at Ejecutiva, so I'm not sure how often they have these audience participation shows. I suspect Friday, maybe Sat too.

I may return to these clubs tonight, there were a few chicas I want to check out. On a side note, prior to leaving for the Centro area, I got a Uber rate range of 5K to 9k from the Poblado area. The metered taxi I took was 9k each way.

[QUOTE=Lmarcone;1951194]There is generic tadalafil now everywhere- the patent has expired.[/QUOTE]They started selling the generic Cialis in Colombia for at least 5 - 6 months now. I'm happy with the box of 28 5 MG tablets. They are good stuff. It's been several months since I bought them. So I can remember the price. It was a very good price though. I think they now sell some sort of Viagra spray or inhaler. They have many kinds of new types lately. The pharmacy in the Santafe shopping mall has a very big selection. Most people don't mention it, but you can buy testosterone also. Most places are injections only and many of them will give you the injection if you want them to. This can help your libido. But if you never took a testosterone shot before, observe yourself, you might get pissed of more easy for dumb reasons. I've seen a pharmacy that also sold 30 packs of testosterone cream. And they have a very long acting testosterone shot, it is 4 ML and is a full 1,000 MG of testosterone. It requires 2 injections of 2 ML each, but that was about $55 USD each unit. Look up Testosterone, Nebido. The regular testosterone shots are about 18 K pesos each. If you want a nice sleeping pill, all pharmacies in Colombia will sell you Zoplicona. It takes awhile to work, but puts be to sleep a solid 8-9 hours. Other countries are picky about selling Zoplicona. I found just one pharmacy in Bogota that will make phone calls and sell you something if he can get it. I buy Ambien from him. Other pharmacies in Colombia won't sell it to you without a prescription. And only a few of the pharmacies are allowed to stock some of the highly controlled meds.

Information on this topic has been pretty tough to come by even on poker-related forums (most poker expats are in Asia) so I'm trying this just in case. Has anyone played live poker in Medellin? What were the stakes and rake? I'm a pro poker player that is thinking about taking a long-term trip to Colombia to learn Spanish and play poker. Contacting the casinos isn't really helpful, as they will usually misrepresent the size of the games, and how often they run.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1952917]During his absence, 2 dancers hit the stage, stripped and began playing with whip cream. Members of the audience were invited to put whip cream first on the dancers tits, then ass crack and groin area, one guy at a time. At this point the dancers were covered in whip cream. Then whoever wanted too, was invited to put his face between: tits, ass crack and finally pussgy. For the last body part, the dancers were on their back, legs in the air.[/QUOTE]It is shaving cream that they always use, not whipped cream. Also 60K for 30 minutes should be no problem to pay in either club.

[QUOTE=NoMarriage;1951382]First I have to say the girls are a lot prettier IMHO than in Tijuana. Flew in and no problems with taxis from the airport to the Poblado area. All the facebook contacts are getting old and I see one. She was so nice. Stayed way past the time and hanged out with me. In park Lleras there are two streets perpendicular to each other where the prepagos stand. They all know each other and there is one liquor store in the park area with the trees where they all hang out.

2nd girl I got was supposedly new in my apartment complex. More on the white side and she was great too. Ill post pics but I don't want my junk showing. We actually hung out at Santa Fe mall, when to Santo Domingo for the metro.

Now people are suggesting I go Fase 2.

I am looking for the really high end ones. Someone please PM me where to find the high end ones. I like they ones that look very European.[/QUOTE]Hey,

I'm very interested in visiting Medellin, looking for some help on, where to stay, transportation, how the scene works, overall my buddies and I need a step by step lesson. We have been to Rio quite a few times as well as the Dominican, so were seasoned vets when it comes to mongering, just don't know anything about Medellin or Colombia, any info would be great thanks.

I went late to Maracaibo and Ejecutiva last night, got there around 12:20 a. Surprisingly, Ejecutiva was not crowded, also less lchicas working. They did announce they were having a Live Sex show at 2 a. I thought maybe some of the chicas were Busy, but I stayed long enough to determine that was not the case.

Maracaibo had the better line up, with a few chicas I had not seen Friday night. They also announced they were going to have a Live Sex show, but that never happened.

Shortly after I sat down, guys at a nearby table got into an argument, followed by a brief scuffle. They were separated but no kicked out.

I stuck around til the 4 a closing. As I was leaving, Daniela, suggested we go to a motel. She reminded me of the Chica I met in May, so I was good to go.

She took me to a Motel Lafayette, not to far from Maracaibo. It's a Love motel, 21 k for a 2 HR room. Big complex, with many floors. Per the website, they have theme rooms and sex chairs. [URL]http://sexosentido.co/motel-lafayette/[/URL].

The room was slightly bigger than the back rooms in Ejecutiva, PLUS: better bed, hot shower, Towels, Music, TV, Mini bar. CON: only a fan in this room.

Daniela, though tipsy, gave a near GFE performance, (if your GF gives you a CBJ.) 150 K for Daniela. 21 k for the room, 17 K for mini bar. 5 k for taxi to the Love motel from the club.

Day 3 may be a wash. Not sure yet.

[QUOTE=RioRio;1953237]Hey,

I'm very interested in visiting Medellin, looking for some help on, where to stay, transportation, how the scene works, overall my buddies and I need a step by step lesson. We have been to Rio quite a few times as well as the Dominican, so were seasoned vets when it comes to mongering, just don't know anything about Medellin or Colombia, any info would be great thanks.[/QUOTE]This "step by step lesson" is best pursued by reading the forum, or as the acronym goes, "RTFF. " And it's not just here on the Medellin thread where such research is suggested. It's so widespread in forum culture as to be part of the lingo by way of this RTFF acronym. It's found all over and the advice is priceless. Once you've invested some time and if anything is still unclear I'm sure many will be eager to help.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1953408]
She took me to a Motel Lafayette, not to far from Maracaibo. It's a Love motel, 21 k for a 2 HR room. Big complex, with many floors. Per the website, they have theme rooms and sex chairs. [URL]http://sexosentido.co/motel-lafayette/[/URL].
The room was slightly bigger than the back rooms in Ejecutiva, PLUS: better bed, hot shower, Towels, Music, TV, Mini bar. CON: only a fan in this room.
[/QUOTE]Oh yes. Very good place. Pronounce "Lafajette" if you want to ask a taxi driver to take you there.

I cannot argue "RTFF!" for posts that are older then few months, as in this thread reports are quickly submerged by chit-chat, but I will link my old posts about love motels in MDE.

Super Chimba de Hotel.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1547921&viewfull=1#post1547921[/URL].
(I prevent comments: my post right below is SARCASTIC ok?

Super Chimba de Hotel (2).
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1548014&viewfull=1#post1548014[/URL].
(Also here: my post right below is SARCASTIC ok? It was a time when people was lamenting about dangers).

Different ways of spending a night in MDE (5).
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1548326&viewfull=1#post1548326[/URL].

Super Chimba de Hotel.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1775320&viewfull=1#post1775320[/URL].
This is the best of the best.

If ID doubt, ask the taxi driver. There TONS of good love motels not far from the centro. I remember Punto Cero in this moment, but there are really many. The List lists some too.

[QUOTE=RioRio;1953237]Hey,

I'm very interested in visiting Medellin, looking for some help on, where to stay, transportation, how the scene works, overall my buddies and I need a step by step lesson. We have been to Rio quite a few times as well as the Dominican, so were seasoned vets when it comes to mongering, just don't know anything about Medellin or Colombia, any info would be great thanks.[/QUOTE]There is only one place in Medellin where they put the training wheels on your bike for you.

[URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL]

Just book a room. Girls at the pool during the day. Different set at the bar at night. Guests will point you where to go outside of the Hotel or read this board.

[QUOTE=RioRio;1953237]Hey,
I'm very interested in visiting Medellin, looking for some help on, where to stay, transportation, how the scene works, overall my buddies and I need a step by step lesson. We have been to Rio quite a few times as well as the Dominican, so were seasoned vets when it comes to mongering, just don't know anything about Medellin or Colombia, any info would be great thanks.[/QUOTE]Despite what people may think by reading (but quickly) this board, Medellin is NOT a destination for sex tourism, as intended as most patrons of Rio, Rep. Dominicana, etc. Clubs do. There are pitfalls and traps, and best experiences come only after some experience (and mistakes) on site.

Sure, there are nanny services for newbies, but, without that, huge disappointments are behind the corner, whilst, with that, one can have only a very shielded experience. To each his own.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1953724]Despite what people may think by reading (but quickly) this board, Medellin is NOT a destination for sex tourism, as intended as most patrons of Rio, Rep. Dominicana, etc. Clubs do. There are pitfalls and traps, and best experiences come only after some experience (and mistakes) on site.[/QUOTE]I concur. It's much easier in Pattaya and Bangkok. More venues and GFE much easier to find despite the language barriers. (I have no language problems in Medellin.) Less venues in Angeles City, but the GFE is even more easier to find there. The only negative is the LONG flights to SE Asia from the US. I'm giving Medellin a second chance, but as it stands now, I'm probably not going to return anytime soon.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1953839]I concur. It's much easier in Pattaya and Bangkok. More venues and GFE much easier to find despite the language barriers. (I have no language problems in Medellin.) Less venues in Angeles City, but the GFE is even more easier to find there. The only negative is the LONG flights to SE Asia from the US. I'm giving Medellin a second chance, but as it stands now, I'm probably not going to return anytime soon.[/QUOTE]No doubt Thailand is fantastic, but for me the long flight is a huge negative. I'm starting to doubt I'll ever return. If I do, I'll cough up the cash for business class.

From North America, Colombia is just such an easy trip.

I'm about three weeks away from spending a week in Medellin. I've already started an exercise regimen, low carb diet to shed a few pounds, and will get the obligatory haircut + some new clothes a week before the trip.

I decided to pay for tinder plus and set my location to Medellin for some pre-trip scoping out. Got to love the age of the super information highway!

Hilarity ensued. One girl was miming giving a blowjob in her profile photo and I immediately super liked. There's at least one girl I'm convinced is a tranny but can't be sure because I can't see an Adam's apple or big hands in the photos.

I also stumbled on what I think is a non-pro who liked me back and gave me her whatsapp number after we chatted for a bit. Strictly speaking, how easy are the non-pros in Medellin? In the sack the first night, or are they the type to keep you waiting to make sure you're serious. Curious to know if it is worth the effort.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1953899]I've already started an exercise regimen, low carb diet to shed a few pounds,
(.......)
Strictly speaking, how easy are the non-pros in Medellin?[/QUOTE]Just consider that the local guys are as handsome and in fit as the girls we look for, dress up smart and flashy to go out at night as the girls, etc.
Competition for local non-pro girls is VERY tough. Being foreigner is not (anymore) the decisive factor (as it can be in Philippines, Thailand, etc.)

I don't know why but every visit I have made to Energy (over by the stadium) over the past now 5 years has given me a lot of fun and this visit was no exception.

So Maffe, a 19 yo Paisa, no kids and all natural was my choice. What can you not say about a fun spirited 19 yo who loves to kiss and enjoys sex, always smiling and after the deed just lays next to you as she slithers her fingers on your chest.

Life is good.

TTM.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1953899]I'm about three weeks away from spending a week in Medellin. I've already started an exercise regimen, low carb diet to shed a few pounds, and will get the obligatory haircut + some new clothes a week before the trip.

I decided to pay for tinder plus and set my location to Medellin for some pre-trip scoping out. Got to love the age of the super information highway!

Hilarity ensued. One girl was miming giving a blowjob in her profile photo and I immediately super liked. There's at least one girl I'm convinced is a tranny but can't be sure because I can't see an Adam's apple or big hands in the photos.

I also stumbled on what I think is a non-pro who liked me back and gave me her whatsapp number after we chatted for a bit. Strictly speaking, how easy are the non-pros in Medellin? In the sack the first night, or are they the type to keep you waiting to make sure you're serious. Curious to know if it is worth the effort.[/QUOTE]Things that will help you with non-pros in MDE:

1. In town for a couple months. Pick up culture isn't as big in MDE as in the USA They like to know it's more than a fuck.

2. Not staying or hanging out in Poblado. Non-pros don't want to be confused for being a pro.

3. Speak Spanish (obvious).

4. Look like George Clooney (obvious).

For most guys in town for a week or so of fun, trying to bed non-pros isn't likely worth the time and effort.

FWIW, IMO Cali is a better place for pursing non-pros than MDE. Not saying it's as easy as in the USA, just easier than MDE.

I would say non-pros are easier than the US. But from personal anecdotal experience, non pros are probably the hardest in Medellin when compared to other cities in Colombia like Bogota and Cartagena. If you're only in Medellin for a week, I wouldn't put too much effort into non pros. There's plenty of affordable pro and semi-pro action to be had. And I agree with what black page said "Competition for local non-pro girls is VERY tough". You're competing against good looking young colombians who can dance, where dance is a big part of the culture.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1953899]I'm about three weeks away from spending a week in Medellin. I've already started an exercise regimen, low carb diet to shed a few pounds, and will get the obligatory haircut + some new clothes a week before the trip.

I decided to pay for tinder plus and set my location to Medellin for some pre-trip scoping out. Got to love the age of the super information highway!

Hilarity ensued. One girl was miming giving a blowjob in her profile photo and I immediately super liked. There's at least one girl I'm convinced is a tranny but can't be sure because I can't see an Adam's apple or big hands in the photos.

I also stumbled on what I think is a non-pro who liked me back and gave me her whatsapp number after we chatted for a bit. Strictly speaking, how easy are the non-pros in Medellin? In the sack the first night, or are they the type to keep you waiting to make sure you're serious. Curious to know if it is worth the effort.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1953724]Despite what people may think by reading (but quickly) this board, Medellin is NOT a destination for sex tourism, as intended as most patrons of Rio, Rep. Dominicana, etc. Clubs do. There are pitfalls and traps, and best experiences come only after some experience (and mistakes) on site.

Sure, there are nanny services for newbies, but, without that, huge disappointments are behind the corner, whilst, with that, one can have only a very shielded experience. To each his own.[/QUOTE]I don't know what you are talking about. I visited MDE last April. A non-Spanish speaker with no experience in SA. Though there was no obvious pandering to tourists where I visited (I never made it down to Poblado), I found it incredibly easy to get what I sought. Thanks to the basic info provided on this forum, it was no harder to find a brothel in Medellin than in Berlin (where I do speak the language on a basic level, and understand the culture and transport system). It was simple as fuck. The most surprising thing to me was the kindness and general civility of the Paisas, who seemed to be ready to please, even if they were just serving you a cup of coffee or a two-pack of Sildenafil over the pharmacy counter. The brothels I visited were clearly oriented to locals and had no English speaking staff that I could discern. But, when the lineup came in the Casas, nobody grimaced at the sight of the really tall, pale Yangqui who didn't share a common language with them. Rather, there were groans of disappointment when my choice was made. Sure, there wasn't "in your face" prostitution. The Paisas seem to have a sensible understanding of "keeping it private" and no surprise that many of the casas were in decent residential neighborhoods.

Make no mistake: I went to MDE to get laid and I popped as much as my body allowed. But, I also left with a newfound respect for the Paisas, who are a really nice bunch, and worth learning Spanish for.

Sure, I realize that some people are the most helpless of individuals and need somebody to drive them to an FKK where they will be presented a buffet of women to choose from with little thought, effort or risk on their part. I am not one of those people. I am sure many people interested in mongering in Colombia are similarly capable of doing something easy as getting laid.

[QUOTE=NoMarriage;1952620]Buenos Aires area en Medellin area. That's where you go to find the really young pretty girls but I heard they rob you here and its dangerous. Any Pros want to chime in?[/QUOTE]Nomarriage,

What's the name of the apartments did you stay in? I want to avoid staying at hotels.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1954332]I don't know what you are talking about. I visited MDE last April. A non-Spanish speaker with no experience in SA. Though there was no obvious pandering to tourists where I visited (I never made it down to Poblado), I found it incredibly easy to get what I sought. Thanks to the basic info provided on this forum, it was no harder to find a brothel in Medellin than in Berlin (where I do speak the language on a basic level, and understand the culture and transport system). It was simple as fuck. The most surprising thing to me was the kindness and general civility of the Paisas, who seemed to be ready to please, even if they were just serving you a cup of coffee or a two-pack of Sildenafil over the pharmacy counter. The brothels I visited were clearly oriented to locals and had no English speaking staff that I could discern. But, when the lineup came in the Casas, nobody grimaced at the sight of the really tall, pale Yangqui who didn't share a common language with them. Rather, there were groans of disappointment when my choice was made. Sure, there wasn't "in your face" prostitution. The Paisas seem to have a sensible understanding of "keeping it private" and no surprise that many of the casas were in decent residential neighborhoods..[/QUOTE]To go there w / no Spanish and succeed it's quite the accomplishment and you stayed in El Centro? Kudos to you. I was recently in El Salvador and the Latin people there, like Colombia couldn't be more friendly and helpful. I head to Colombia in early December when the have the festival of lights but I stay at the mansion where it's more to my liking. But I also enjoy the raunchy strip clubs on Calle 53 and especially La Mayorista on the weekends where the salsa is blasting from the bars and the street is brimming w / pussy for rent. For me that's the edge of the world and I like it there. Thanks for your post.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfwEjjDkOvI[/URL]

[QUOTE=Combo;1954291]

For most guys in town for a week or so of fun, trying to bed non-pros isn't likely worth the time and effort.

[/QUOTE]I figured as much after tindering the last couple of days. Thanks for the advice. 95% of the responses have been from pros in Medellin or Cartagena (depending on where I set my location in Tinder plus). Only two normal women in Medellin liked me back, and only one has taken the time to properly talk to me. She's a 5 at best and I suspect only interested in practicing her English. I shared with her that just about every other response on Tinder has been from "dama de campania" and this woman feigned complete surprise.

Now attitude on Tinder in general seems to be much better from the Medellin pros / semi-pros than from the ones in Cartagena. I suspect this is a portent of things to come. I've been chatting up one girl who I'm almost 100% sure is a provider at one of the casas because she keeps talking about her job as a masseuse, then when I asked for a photo she sent over a series of sexy photos. My dick almost exploded. She's thick in just the right places.

If I ever win the lottery I'm going to build a harem.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1954332]I don't know what you are talking about. I visited MDE last April. .............[/QUOTE]I don't this we disagree.

My point was that 95% of those who go to Tijuana, Rep. Dominicana, Thailand, etc with the precise intent to be a so-called "sex tourist" would be invariably lost or simply disappointed by the "lack of opportunities" (for them) in Medellin, unless they have a guide service. The environment is NOT the environment of a "sex-tourism destination".

I don't think you belong to this 95%, and I am sure you are well aware of that.

Needless to say, Medellin is a great place. An excellent place to relocate for work there.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1954494]I don't this we disagree.

My point was that 95% of those who go to Tijuana, Rep. Dominicana, Thailand, etc with the precise intent to be a so-called "sex tourist" would be invariably lost or simply disappointed by the "lack of opportunities" (for them) in Medellin, unless they have a guide service. The environment is NOT the environment of a "sex-tourism destination".

I don't think you belong to this 95%, and I am sure you are well aware of that.

Needless to say, Medellin is a great place. An excellent place to relocate for work there.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with Black Page. A solo traveler with no Spanish skill would most likely find himself disappointed in Medellin. But I also agree with Eszpresszo's assessment that Paisas "keeping it private" attitude. And for that exact reason, Medellin is not as good for Newbies or solo traveller with no Spanish skill and only limited time than some other Latin American Cities frequently discussed here. Finding the locations of casas or clubs is one thing, being able to communicate with the chicas and open her up to enjoy her time with you is quite another.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1954477]I figured as much after tindering the last couple of days. Thanks for the advice. 95% of the responses have been from pros in Medellin or Cartagena (depending on where I set my location in Tinder plus). Only two normal women in Medellin liked me back, and only one has taken the time to properly talk to me. She's a 5 at best and I suspect only interested in practicing her English. I shared with her that just about every other response on Tinder has been from "dama de campania" and this woman feigned complete surprise.[/QUOTE]I did not come across too many pros. I did notice a lot of familiar facebook fotos tho. When I noticed a pic with a phone number, I just swipe left. In any case, the lag time between responses kinda kills it for me. What do the "Tinder" pros propose as far as terms of service. Time / cost?

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;1954632]I did not come across too many pros. I did notice a lot of familiar facebook fotos tho. When I noticed a pic with a phone number, I just swipe left. In any case, the lag time between responses kinda kills it for me. What do the "Tinder" pros propose as far as terms of service. Time / cost?[/QUOTE]I only got three pros off Medellin tinder, as opposed to 6 from the Cartagena tinder. This is only swiping -- no super likes. I haven't discussed prices much. Typically after a few lines back and forth, either they offer their number for Whatsapp, or I ask for it. Only one chica in Medellin discussed pricing through tinder and she was super brief and business like. In fact her only message was pricing: 60 k for a half hour, 120 k for an hour, out-call. I'm not up for it. The Cartagena chicas were all business and wanted to get right to pricing.

I'm still chatting regularly with the masseuse chica. I'm almost certain she drops off her kid to school in the morning then goes to work in one of the massage parlors. She's always in bed by 10 pm since her whatsapp activity dies off then. This is a big difference to the other two pros from Medellin that seem to clock out at 3 am according to Whatsapp activity.

So here's where I can use some help. I'm 99% certain she's a pro given the photo she sent me, but she's playing it cool and hasn't mentioned pricing or anything other than idle chit chat. I asked her out of the blue what "dama de campania" is, pretending I was confused that I had received messages from women saying that. She explained it means "escort" in English then said this. I'm assuming this means she uses tinder for it as well, but I can't place the way the verb is being used.

"La verdad para eso utiliza tinder".

Does that mean: "Truthfully, I use tinder for that. " ?

She's really hot so I'm going to see if I can wife up. The fact that she has a kid may limit my ability to do so since she may need to be in her home every night. I'll know in a couple of weeks when I head over. I already told her I'm going to be her "principe azul" haha.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1954659]I only got three pros off Medellin tinder, as opposed to 6 from the Cartagena tinder. [/QUOTE]Why go through all this trouble to get prostitutes when you can just go to a casa or whatever and pick one on the spot? I thought hookers were supposed to be no muss no fuss; not stressing over who is one and how much they are charging and what time they are going to sleep.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1954677]Why go through all this trouble to get prostitutes when you can just go to a casa or whatever and pick one on the spot? I thought hookers were supposed to be no muss no fuss; not stressing over who is one and how much they are charging and what time they are going to sleep.[/QUOTE]I'm not in Medellin yet. This is reconnaissance. Also would prefer semi-pro if I can find it, so I'm scoping this chica out. The photo she sent me was pretty skimpy and she claims to be a massage therapist so. I figure she may already be working at one of the parlors.

But yeah. Once I'm in Medellin I won't be using tinder. I'll check out this chica, and possibly do a casa run, along with parque lleras at night.

Four days in Medellin at GHL Comfort in San Diego. I walked 2 blocks to Fase Dos after 7 pm and found it large and modern (and not yet hopping that early). I was told that I couldn't sit next to the stage unless I ordered a bottle of something or a mixed drink, which I didn't care for. I drank my beer at the bar and was quoted 500 mil for a woman with an additional 150 mil bar fine for the takeout. I had a wicked hangover and didn't partake. Spent a couple of nights downtown near Plaza Botero. There are five clubs within 3-4 blocks that are not hard to find. Grill Nueva Avenida (Calle 51 #51-18) was honest but the women will charge you what they can. I was told they open in the afternoon but never arrived before 6 pm. Taberna Victoria (Calle 53 #52 a-26) is smaller and "mas pueblo" (less fancy), which I like. Conejitos (off plaza Botero) and Ejectutiva Strip club and Club Maracaibo (on Maracaibo) within 2 blocks of hotel Nutibara are all still there and going. Don't remember prices / names, but it's cheap. Taxis wait in front of Conejitos so you're good getting home. Also, I saw a lot of street walkers on the street on the south side of Museo Antioquia and the few blocks around there. You can find party favors in these streets (and from many entertainers) easily.

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;1954606] A solo traveler with no Spanish skill would most likely find himself disappointed in Medellin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1954494]...simply disappointed by the "lack of opportunities" (for them) in Medellin, The environment is NOT the environment of a "sex-tourism destination".[/QUOTE]I'm a solo traveler AND speak Spanish. And I'm disappointed here. (I know the location of all the casititas and bars and some local only places.) There are more venues and more non monger things to do in other places. The GFE is easier to find in Rio, Thailand and especially in the Phillipines. And The chicas here are indoctrinated on the CBJ.

My Gringo friend who showed me around the Medellin back in May, loves it here. But he spends time, (lots I'm assuming,) on Tinder and other social sites looking for chicas prior to his arrival. That to me is too much work, and I'm not into misleading these ladies. They're looking for a BF, I'm not looking for a GF.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1954659]La verdad para eso utiliza tinder" Does that mean: "Truthfully, I use tinder for that. " ?[/QUOTE]No. Had she been referring to her self, she would have written UTILIZO, Implying YO = me: La verdad para eso utilizo tinder" By using UTILIZA, she means they, them or her. Roughly translated, she wrote, Truthfully, that's what tinder's used for.

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;1954606]I totally agree with Black Page. A solo traveler with no Spanish skill would most likely find himself disappointed in Medellin. But I also agree with Eszpresszo's assessment that Paisas "keeping it private" attitude. And for that exact reason, Medellin is not as good for Newbies or solo traveller with no Spanish skill and only limited time than some other Latin American Cities frequently discussed here. Finding the locations of casas or clubs is one thing, being able to communicate with the chicas and open her up to enjoy her time with you is quite another.[/QUOTE]But, I have no Spanish skills and I thought I had a great time. So what was supposed to be so disappointing? Or am I just a fool who imagined I was enjoying myself when in fact, I wasn't supposed to? Did I need to go to some seaside town where I need to beat the women off of me and they all speak fluent English, so they can talk me into giving them more money with their sob story?

Hell, I really wanted to visit Medellin again. I guess I need to learn fluent Spanish or otherwise I won't truly be able to enjoy the girls' pathetic bleating about "Please Senor, you need to give me more money to buy "pam-pers" for my baby!" in their native tongue.

And why is a popular brand of infant paper hygiene product a prohibited word here? Heck, why is the word "DIA-per" a prohibited word?

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1954747]
My Gringo friend who showed me around the Medellin back in May, loves it here. But he spends time, (lots I'm assuming,) on Tinder and other social sites looking for chicas prior to his arrival. That to me is too much work, and I'm not into misleading these ladies. They're looking for a BF, I'm not looking for a GF.
[/QUOTE]This interesting. Do you mean sites like colombian cupid and so on? I may try it. I'm not against casas, but I'd rather get GFE out in the field. What I'm finding interesting is how I bet a lot of these girls on tinder and other websites looking for foreigners are probably hustling a bunch at once. They get all kinds, and are also looking for a diamond in the rough.

I don't think money is the only factor. I think it's a huge one and a requirement but more bucks does not necessarily tip the scales in your favor. These chicas are not about to pay our rent, but I suspect they also prefer a foreign boyfriend that's more agreeable to them.

Anyway, I'm navigating the webs the same as your buddy and I will report back on my experience when I'm done with my visit.

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;1954606]A solo traveler with no Spanish skill would most likely find himself disappointed in Medellin. Medellin is not as good for Newbies or solo traveller with no Spanish skill and only limited time than some other Latin American Cities frequently discussed here. Finding the locations of casas or clubs is one thing, being able to communicate with the chicas and open her up to enjoy her time with you is quite another.[/QUOTE]Strange. I have traveled the world as a solo traveler for 3 decades and never had any issues in any countries. I speak English and knew some German. I studied Spanish but rarely got to use it in Mexico as most speak English there. My Spanish is not fluent but better than broken broken. I had no issues visiting Spain, Argentina, Paraguay and Peru. Only problem was finding the local beer in a grocery store! Majority of countries I have visited, many do not speak English and I have communicated with them. I learnt some French before going to Morocco and my really bad pronunciation of French was a big breaking the ice as the girls just laughed. I also found that using a tablet and communicate using the translater at the apartment can be fun too. Of course it is better if you know the language but I love to travel solo. Better than being in a group. I can do what I want when I want.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1954871]Strange. I have traveled the world as a solo traveler for 3 decades and never had any issues in any countries. I speak English and knew some German. I studied Spanish but rarely got to use it in Mexico as most speak English there. My Spanish is not fluent but better than broken broken. I had no issues visiting Spain, Argentina, Paraguay and Peru. Only problem was finding the local beer in a grocery store! Majority of countries I have visited, many do not speak English and I have communicated with them. I learnt some French before going to Morocco and my really bad pronunciation of French was a big breaking the ice as the girls just laughed. I also found that using a tablet and communicate using the translater at the apartment can be fun too. Of course it is better if you know the language but I love to travel solo. Better than being in a group. I can do what I want when I want.[/QUOTE]Well said!

[QUOTE=Kazeu;1954327]I would say non-pros are easier than the US. But from personal anecdotal experience, non pros are probably the hardest in Medellin when compared to other cities in Colombia like Bogota and Cartagena. If you're only in Medellin for a week, I wouldn't put too much effort into non pros. There's plenty of affordable pro and semi-pro action to be had. And I agree with what black page said "Competition for local non-pro girls is VERY tough". You're competing against good looking young colombians who can dance, where dance is a big part of the culture.[/QUOTE]Pricing question.

Personally, I enjoy spending a few hours or overnight with the non-pros or the semi-pros. A couple or few turns in the hay is great, but not just a mechanical pop or two. I also like working on my primitive Spanish, which some girls appreciate and some get frustrated with having to speak slow or repeat themselves.

So the question I have has to do with pricing. I can't remember who wrote a good report on Colombia Cupid and Facebook girls, but he made a good point that unless their Mansion regulars, it is better to not get right down to business and pricing. That works for me except I would appreciate some thoughts on what is the right amount without being cheap (which spoils the very important atmosphere) or lavish (for the long term cost factor).

How much would you consider is fair for 3 hours, 2 pops?

How much for overnight, 2 3 pops?

In the past, I have also had one disappointing experience where the chica agreed to 2 to 3 hours, but we only got it on once. Back then I spoke almost no Spanish, so I'm sure for her it was just a mechanical process, but a quite good one! Anyway, how would you address that issue without being too forward with a non-Mansion girl?

Thanks for sharing your ideas.

I don't really worry about being seeming cheap. I do try to make sure that the terms are clear and there are no misunderstandings. That way she gets what she wants and I get what I want and expectations are met. Thats the important thing.

That said, I've never paid anyone less than 140 k nor more than 200 k for 1 hour service in my apartment. That includes any sort of taxi fare. I'm pretty picky about who I invite to my apartment. I've used agencies as well as Mileroticos.

As for service for multiple hours, I'm pretty sure girls will give you a discount for additional hours, but its pretty rare that I will want a girl for more than 1 pop or more than 1 hour, but in the rare instance that it should happen, its a much safer bet to just negotiate for additional time once she's at your place. Who knows if you're even going to get along? Why commit yourself to being on the hook for paying for 2 or 3 hours?

As for overnight, I've never paid anyone for overnight in Colombia, I haven't found anyone worth paying for. My strategy here, is if I meet some normal girl whos great to hang out with and wants to stay overnight. Sure! But paying someone for sleeping isn't really on my agenda. I don't sleep well with strange people in my bed anyways, even if they are really hot. Maybe its because I'm getting too old and can't really pull a 3 pop night.

For non pros, semi pros, its true, I usually don't mention pricing first. I need some sort of indication that she's on the market. Like if tell her she should come over to my place and have a drink, often times girls will ask what's in it for me? Or what will you give me? Or directly, how much will you pay me? At that point I don't think its too forward to outline in detail what you expect of the situation. The more clear you are, the less likely someone is going to walk away dissapointed or worse, angry. So just tell her you expect 2 pops, uncovered BJ, anal. If I don't ask for it before hand, I've learned not to be dissapointed if I don't get it when the time comes.

Now, if she hasn't made any mention of money, that's a different story. I just go into the situation like its a date, movie, coffee, or dinner, conversation. You're feeling each other out. I don't expect sex, I just try to enjoy her company. And of course I pay for everything and make sure she gets home okay.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Cm6363;1955049]Pricing question.

Personally, I enjoy spending a few hours or overnight with the non-pros or the semi-pros. A couple or few turns in the hay is great, but not just a mechanical pop or two. I also like working on my primitive Spanish, which some girls appreciate and some get frustrated with having to speak slow or repeat themselves.

So the question I have has to do with pricing. I can't remember who wrote a good report on Colombia Cupid and Facebook girls, but he made a good point that unless their Mansion regulars, it is better to not get right down to business and pricing. That works for me except I would appreciate some thoughts on what is the right amount without being cheap (which spoils the very important atmosphere) or lavish (for the long term cost factor).

How much would you consider is fair for 3 hours, 2 pops?

How much for overnight, 2 3 pops?

In the past, I have also had one disappointing experience where the chica agreed to 2 to 3 hours, but we only got it on once. Back then I spoke almost no Spanish, so I'm sure for her it was just a mechanical process, but a quite good one! Anyway, how would you address that issue without being too forward with a non-Mansion girl?

Thanks for sharing your ideas.[/QUOTE]

I agree I have no idea what that guy was talking about? Not a sex destination? It's all over the whole country. As far as Spanish my Spanish sucks and I never had a problem finding what I wanted and communicated it through my fucked up Spanish and hand gestures.

I didn't go there to have a long in depth conversation and once back at the pad, I have my iPad for translation but rarely needed it. Let's drink, party and suck and fuck. It's not real difficult.

Also I never met a non pro and don't fucking want one.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1954332]I don't know what you are talking about. I visited MDE last April. A non-Spanish speaker with no experience in SA. Though there was no obvious pandering to tourists where I visited (I never made it down to Poblado), I found it incredibly easy to get what I sought. Thanks to the basic info provided on this forum, it was no harder to find a brothel in Medellin than in Berlin (where I do speak the language on a basic level, and understand the culture and transport system). It was simple as fuck. The most surprising thing to me was the kindness and general civility of the Paisas, who seemed to be ready to please, even if they were just serving you a cup of coffee or a two-pack of Sildenafil over the pharmacy counter. The brothels I visited were clearly oriented to locals and had no English speaking staff that I could discern. But, when the lineup came in the Casas, nobody grimaced at the sight of the really tall, pale Yangqui who didn't share a common language with them. Rather, there were groans of disappointment when my choice was made. Sure, there wasn't "in your face" prostitution. The Paisas seem to have a sensible understanding of "keeping it private" and no surprise that many of the casas were in decent residential neighborhoods.

Make no mistake: I went to MDE to get laid and I popped as much as my body allowed. But, I also left with a newfound respect for the Paisas, who are a really nice bunch, and worth learning Spanish for.

Sure, I realize that some people are the most helpless of individuals and need somebody to drive them to an FKK where they will be presented a buffet of women to choose from with little thought, effort or risk on their part. I am not one of those people. I am sure many people interested in mongering in Colombia are similarly capable of doing something easy as getting laid.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YouCan;1955084]I agree I have no idea what that guy was talking about? Not a sex destination? It's all over the whole country. As far as Spanish my Spanish sucks and I never had a problem finding what I wanted and communicated it through my fucked up Spanish and hand gestures.

I didn't go there to have a long in depth conversation and once back at the pad, I have my iPad for translation but rarely needed it. Let's drink, party and suck and fuck. It's not real difficult.

Also I never met a non pro and don't fucking want one.[/QUOTE]Well, I have to say you have the right screen name. You Can. That is a very positive message in your moniker. Yes, You Can go to Colombia and have a great time, even if you don't speak the language!

And no, I don't go to a brothel to have a profound conversation with a girl when she is supposed to be sucking my cock. Seriously, just how much conversation can you expect in 15 to 60 minutes? I sense that a lot of the conversation attempted by escorts is a way of burning up the limited time you have paid for, thus limiting the amount of actual physical contact. Since all but one of the girls I chose in MDE couldn't speak English, it left them little else to do but perform. The one girl who did know a bit of English, used it to aggressively plea for extra money so she could buy stuff for her baby (and boy, did she have a nasty see-section scar). A language barrier is really a good prophylactic against sob stories.

You nailed it. Some girls will chat you up to kill time. Your time. Another tactic you should prevent is the long leisurely shower. Girls will stretch it out to cut back on the time you get to pound them. If that doesn't work, some of them will invite you into the shower. I don't know about anybody else but I don't spend my money so I can sit around and watch girls shower or get into drawn out convos. I think it's important to get a connection going and be cordial but I make sure I don't let it get in the way of the "main event."

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1955120]Well, I have to say you have the right screen name. You Can. That is a very positive message in your moniker. Yes, You Can go to Colombia and have a great time, even if you don't speak the language!

And no, I don't go to a brothel to have a profound conversation with a girl when she is supposed to be sucking my cock. Seriously, just how much conversation can you expect in 15 to 60 minutes? I sense that a lot of the conversation attempted by escorts is a way of burning up the limited time you have paid for, thus limiting the amount of actual physical contact. Since all but one of the girls I chose in MDE couldn't speak English, it left them little else to do but perform. The one girl who did know a bit of English, used it to aggressively plea for extra money so she could buy stuff for her baby (and boy, did she have a nasty see-section scar). A language barrier is really a good prophylactic against sob stories.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RacShack;1954881]Well said![/QUOTE]I forgot to add, in Lima, Peru, a couple of times some fluent native Spanish speaking Southern American women stopped to ask me for directions as they were lost! I found out where they wanted to go and with some Spanish and sign 'language', I showed them the way. In Morocco, the girls could not understand a word of what I was saying because of my terrible pronunciations of French and they were cracking up laughing. Laughter is a good medicine and I would join in. I got to take the women back to the apartment. While in Spain, I traveled round the country by buses and was able to purchase tickets myself and get off at the right places and find places to stay. There are many ways to communicate. Just have fun.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;1955076]That said, I've never paid anyone less than 140 k nor more than 200 k for 1 hour service in my apartment. That includes any sort of taxi fare. I'm pretty picky about who I invite to my apartment. I've used agencies as well as Mileroticos.

For non pros, semi pros, its true, I usually don't mention pricing first. I need some sort of indication that she's on the market. Like if tell her she should come over to my place and have a drink, often times girls will ask what's in it for me? Or what will you give me? Or directly, how much will you pay me? At that point I don't think its too forward to outline in detail what you expect of the situation. The more clear you are, the less likely someone is going to walk away dissapointed or worse, angry. So just tell her you expect 2 pops, uncovered BJ, anal. If I don't ask for it before hand, I've learned not to be dissapointed if I don't get it when the time comes.

Now, if she hasn't made any mention of money, that's a different story. I just go into the situation like its a date, movie, coffee, or dinner, conversation. You're feeling each other out. I don't expect sex, I just try to enjoy her company. And of course I pay for everything and make sure she gets home okay.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Great color Kazeu. Thanks!

Do you gentleman find the semi-pros willing to spend more time. Like a 2 - 4 hour date, for something like COP 150 K. COP 200 K. In other words a date-like evening with a nice gift to go home with?

[QUOTE=YouCan;1955084]I agree I have no idea what that guy was talking about? Not a sex destination? It's all over the whole country. As far as Spanish my Spanish sucks and I never had a problem finding what I wanted and communicated it through my fucked up Spanish and hand gestures.

I didn't go there to have a long in depth conversation and once back at the pad, I have my iPad for translation but rarely needed it. Let's drink, party and suck and fuck. It's not real difficult.

Also I never met a non pro and don't fucking want one.[/QUOTE]LOL, right on sir. I was scratching my head over the OP's statement as well. I guess to each their own.

[QUOTE=Ee2002;1955260]LOL, right on sir. I was scratching my head over the OP's statement as well. I guess to each their own.[/QUOTE]Seems to me that all that Black Page was saying it that it takes some Spanish to get around Medellin. You can't just parachute in with three or four words of the language and expect to avoid a lot of frustrations. There are destinations though that are set up for gringo tourism where one can literally show up with nothing but hola and adios in their pocket and do quite well if they confine themselves to certain areas. Medellin isn't one of them though. And if someone wants to claim that they can show up in Colombian knowing only a few words and get the rest done with hand signals I'm going to call them full of shit. Lying on the internet is easy and common enough. .

P.S. Not to mention that if you go around to the casas which are set up for the Colombians speaking English without even attempting to speak Spanish you're just going to look like a dick, but what is else is new.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;1955449]Seems to me that all that Black Page was saying it that it takes some Spanish to get around Medellin.[/QUOTE]Exactly, and more than that.

Additionally, I reiterate that Medellin is NOT a place like those which are commonly considered a destination for sex tourism. I don't wish to lecture those who know this beautiful city already, but to warn those who read something and then may decide to give it a try.

Take the average tourist who is satisfied with places like Sosua, Pattaya, Angeles City, Tijuana (should I list more? Fly him to Medellin, and even if he speaks Spanish he will be surely disappointed. Misplaced. Probably lost. Most likely bored. Even at danger if he thinks he can go around as in Pattaya and see girls falling in love because of his blue eyes.
And I am glad of that. The charme of Medellin is exactly that is not polluted by some type of tourism.

P.S.: Those who are familiar with Medellin and do not agree with me: ok everyone may have personal opinion. Those who don't know: keep your expectations low and be sure to have someone who takes you around.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1954751]I guess I need to learn fluent Spanish or otherwise I won't truly be able to enjoy the girls' pathetic bleating about "Please Senor, you need to give me more money to buy "pam-pers" for my baby!" in their native tongue.[/QUOTE]Truth is a lot of these girls have [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] to buy, and if using that line to ask for a nominal tip gets under your skin you'the probably best stay at home. That and ridiculing a chica by way of her native language ie. "please senor" is a good way to get taken aside by one of the locals for some attitude adjustment. .

Pricing. What my eyes have seen.

A 20 something girl with no skills who does not want to be a prostitute, but is motivated to work a "regular job" to pay her bills, buy clothes, feed her baby or help her mom will take home about 35-40 mil pesos per day. And I am sure it could be argued that many will take home even less than that.

When a girl starts posting fotos of her attractive self and begins collecting friends from other parts of the world, for MANY of them, it is not a tough choice to go meet some of those foreign friends with dreams of 200-300 k for a short time. However, reality kicks in. Competition is stiff, maintaining banter with potential clients can be exhausting, there are tens of thousands of these girls being hit up by many of the same gentlemen and they hear all kinds of crazy stories (lies) from their friends.

So ultimately, you make the choice, what is it worth. They don't know about economics. They know what their friends say and what their own self esteem or vanity tells them.

My guesstimate is the going rate is 150 mil for an hour and a half for tourists. The high and low that create that average is pretty wide. Face to face initial contact, if you have the patience to negotiate, can get your rate down or lengthen your time a lot.

Go into the barrios, and the locals are paying 30-50 for a pop. As a tourist going into the barrios, double that.

If you need any more detailed info, PM me.

[QUOTE=Cm6363;1955049]Pricing question.

Personally, I enjoy spending a few hours or overnight with the non-pros or the semi-pros. A couple or few turns in the hay is great, but not just a mechanical pop or two. I also like working on my primitive Spanish, which some girls appreciate and some get frustrated with having to speak slow or repeat themselves.

So the question I have has to do with pricing. I can't remember who wrote a good report on Colombia Cupid and Facebook girls, but he made a good point that unless their Mansion regulars, it is better to not get right down to business and pricing. That works for me except I would appreciate some thoughts on what is the right amount without being cheap (which spoils the very important atmosphere) or lavish (for the long term cost factor).

How much would you consider is fair for 3 hours, 2 pops?

How much for overnight, 2 3 pops?

In the past, I have also had one disappointing experience where the chica agreed to 2 to 3 hours, but we only got it on once. Back then I spoke almost no Spanish, so I'm sure for her it was just a mechanical process, but a quite good one! Anyway, how would you address that issue without being too forward with a non-Mansion girl?

Thanks for sharing your ideas.[/QUOTE]

This is a good approach to get rock bottom prices, but you got to value your time too. You got to actually go into these barrios, and put in the effort. For some people, that's what they enjoy. More power to them. In my case, I appreciate being able to just order stuff online and have it appear at my door. Like magic. I'll pay a bit extra for that.

Or you can also just go to a casa in el centro for prices very similar 30 to 50 a pop.

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;1955549]Pricing. What my eyes have seen.

A 20 something girl with no skills who does not want to be a prostitute, but is motivated to work a "regular job" to pay her bills, buy clothes, feed her baby or help her mom will take home about 35-40 mil pesos per day. And I am sure it could be argued that many will take home even less than that.

When a girl starts posting fotos of her attractive self and begins collecting friends from other parts of the world, for MANY of them, it is not a tough choice to go meet some of those foreign friends with dreams of 200-300 k for a short time. However, reality kicks in. Competition is stiff, maintaining banter with potential clients can be exhausting, there are tens of thousands of these girls being hit up by many of the same gentlemen and they hear all kinds of crazy stories (lies) from their friends.

So ultimately, you make the choice, what is it worth. They don't know about economics. They know what their friends say and what their own self esteem or vanity tells them.

My guesstimate is the going rate is 150 mil for an hour and a half for tourists. The high and low that create that average is pretty wide. Face to face initial contact, if you have the patience to negotiate, can get your rate down or lengthen your time a lot.

Go into the barrios, and the locals are paying 30-50 for a pop. As a tourist going into the barrios, double that.

If you need any more detailed info, PM me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1955533]Exactly, and more than that.

Additionally, I reiterate that Medellin is NOT a place like those which are commonly considered a destination for sex tourism. I don't wish to lecture those who know this beautiful city already, but to warn those who read something and then may decide to give it a try.

Take the average tourist who is satisfied with places like Sosua, Pattaya, Angeles City, Tijuana (should I list more? Fly him to Medellin, and even if he speaks Spanish he will be surely disappointed. Misplaced. Probably lost. Most likely bored. Even at danger if he thinks he can go around as in Pattaya and see girls falling in love because of his blue eyes.
And I am glad of that. The charme of Medellin is exactly that is not polluted by some type of tourism.

P.S.: Those who are familiar with Medellin and do not agree with me: ok everyone may have personal opinion. Those who don't know: keep your expectations low and be sure to have someone who takes you around.[/QUOTE]No, it's certainly not like the places you mentioned where it's pretty much in your face. Almost impossible to go to Sosua, Pattaya, et al and not see the chicas looking for customers.

That said, any hobbyist who does his research and is reasonably determined can find pay-for-play in MDE. Even if he speaks no Spanish.

[QUOTE=Combo;1955591]No, it's certainly not like the places you mentioned where it's pretty much in your face. Almost impossible to go to Sosua, Pattaya, et al and not see the chicas looking for customers.

That said, any hobbyist who does his research and is reasonably determined can find pay-for-play in MDE. Even if he speaks no Spanish.[/QUOTE]Rent a room at the Mansion, or hire or rely on someone to hold your hand. BP acknowledged those options. And there's also google translate and hand signals. LOL Yea they can get their dick wet, but none of that is how I want to do a vacation. Plus why not learn some basic Spanish to talk to the taxi driver, order some food, deal with the hotel and the maid, the bank, and to tell the chica what is wanted out of the session. Oh but I forgot as I allude to an earlier poster, it's best skip the language learning so one doesn't understand the girl when she asks for a tip LOL.

Yea the other venues mentioned, Costa Rica, the Philippines, etc. Are better suited to guys that know no Spanish. Medellin has a different layout.

[QUOTE=Combo;1955591]
That said, any hobbyist who does his research and is reasonably determined can find pay-for-play in MDE. Even if he speaks no Spanish.[/QUOTE]I just used tinder and got a bunch of prepagos. One was subtle and started her sob story of needing food for her child and money for Christmas. It went like this:

* She started asking for the specific dates I'd be visiting.

* Then she started sending me ads for apartments -- probably that she was reselling through that latin app that has buy & sell classifieds. I forgot its name.

* I showed her the ad for the airbnb place I already got.

* Then she went in to close the deal. Essentially in order for her to provide me "company" for 11 days she would need money to cover what she made at her two jobs and money for Christmas.

* I quickly told her I could take care of her and it wasn't a problem. I then told her I had another novia last year who I did this for, travelled with, etc.

* That resulted in heart and lip messages in whatsapp -- so insincere.

Now I'm trying to get her to agree to bareback in the nicest way but she's resisting. I told her I'd think about things. Fuck that, 11 days with the same chica and wearing a condom? Not for me. I don't want to agree to anything without getting the last concession so I'll see about just hanging out for a night to see if she relents. Honestly, this one seems too eager to dig in with her claws without even meeting me which worries me. I'd rather have a chica go long term if she actually has some bit of chemistry.

This entire thing could be done with lots of swiping on Tinder Plus set to Medellin, Google Translate app, and playing it cool and trying to be subtle until she broke and started nipping at the heels. So yes, any monger with a little initiative can pre-order prepagos in Medellin haha. That's service with a smile to me!

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1955597]I just used tinder and got a bunch of prepagos. One was subtle and started her sob story of needing food for her child and money for Christmas. It went like this:

* She started asking for the specific dates I'd be visiting.

* Then she started sending me ads for apartments -- probably that she was reselling through that latin app that has buy & sell classifieds. I forgot its name.

* I showed her the ad for the airbnb place I already got.

* Then she went in to close the deal. Essentially in order for her to provide me "company" for 11 days she would need money to cover what she made at her two jobs and money for Christmas.

* I quickly told her I could take care of her and it wasn't a problem. I then told her I had another novia last year who I did this for, travelled with, etc.

* That resulted in heart and lip messages in whatsapp -- so insincere.

Now I'm trying to get her to agree to bareback in the nicest way but she's resisting. I told her I'd think about things. Fuck that, 11 days with the same chica and wearing a condom? Not for me. I don't want to agree to anything without getting the last concession so I'll see about just hanging out for a night to see if she relents. Honestly, this one seems too eager to dig in with her claws without even meeting me which worries me. I'd rather have a chica go long term if she actually has some bit of chemistry.

This entire thing could be done with lots of swiping on Tinder Plus set to Medellin, Google Translate app, and playing it cool and trying to be subtle until she broke and started nipping at the heels. So yes, any monger with a little initiative can pre-order prepagos in Medellin haha. That's service with a smile to me![/QUOTE]I'm back in the US. This post motivated me to download tinder. However, if I try to look in Medellin (or any city I'm not in), it's popping up a window for a monthly paid service. Am I jsimply doing something wrong, or is this s normal?

[QUOTE=RedTibetan23;1955604]I'm back in the US. This post motivated me to download tinder. However, if I try to look in Medellin (or any city I'm not in), it's popping up a window for a monthly paid service. Am I jsimply doing something wrong, or is this s normal?[/QUOTE]Here are some helpful hints for you:

* Buy one month of Tinder plus and you can set the GPS to anything. It even saves the location for you. I just bought one month which is more than enough. Remember to unsubscribe from it through the Google Play (store) app (or whatever the iPhone has).

* Now you get 5 super likes a day. In Medellin you should use those on girls with racy pictures. This one chica actually had no sexy photos at all which is a bit weird. You have to pay for more Super Likes if you want more than 5 a day. I find 5 is enough.

* You can use as many normal Likes as well but I found that doesn't work as well on all the chicas. Some of them aren't very active.

* Make sure you set the age preference to what you want. I set something like 25-35.

The girl will give you a whatsapp number or you can ask for it after chatting for a bit. It may take several days for her to fess up that she's willing to offer you companionship. I innocently asked what "dama de campania" means on the third day we were chatting, and that slowly got her to open up more. Initially she told me she works as a massage therapist (hahaha). Remember, be polite, subtle, and respectful. And do this a few weeks before your trip, not months or days before.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1955533]Additionally, I reiterate that Medellin is NOT a place like those which are commonly considered a destination for sex tourism. I don't wish to lecture those who know this beautiful city already, but to warn those who read something and then may decide to give it a try.

Take the average tourist who is satisfied with places like Sosua, Pattaya, Angeles City, Tijuana (should I list more? Fly him to Medellin, and even if he speaks Spanish he will be surely disappointed. Misplaced. Probably lost. Most likely bored.[/QUOTE]I know many do, but why would they even expect two places to be the same just because they are in the same category? The first thing people ask when going to a new place is "Do they have a club like Help?" (You should have added Rio.) You don't March into Taco Bell and ask about a Big Mac. Both are fast food restaurants but who would expect the menus to be the same?

It would be the fault of the monger for not doing his homework. Rio is known for sex tourism, but my first time there I was with my wife and could not have spotted a hooker within a three block radius had you paid me. I did not know the ropes and was not there for that. When I got divorced and returned with my friends for the purpose of sex tourism and they taught me the lay of the land it was like a different place to me.

The places that you have listed are exceptions to the rule. I live in Pattaya and Dcfan is here visiting for the first time. (Being a Medellin vet, I don't think he expected here to be like Medellin, so why would another monger expect Medellin to be like the next place on the list?) I have shown him that if you want some pussy here then all you have to do is walk outside and you can literally get pussy faster than you can get food. There are tons more sex touism places that are nothing like the 4 places you have listed. And although I am in the mood for Pattaya style sex tourism today, I may be in the mood for Medellin type sex tourism tomorrow.

I have never been disappointed in any sex tourism place. You know why? Because I keep an open mind and I know how to make my own fun. For the past 2 days Dcfan has been ranting about how today he has to get a chick that fits some type of description. But his mind has not been locked on that as other mongers get their minds locked, to be later disappointed when they do not find what they set out to and thereafter calling the destination garbage, boring, or whatever else. At the first hint that fun can be had, he goes with the flow and all that other shit falls out the window leaving him with the net balance of a good ass time. Point me to the spot where chicks are giving out pussy for money and I will show up to make my own good time. I am not waiting for someone to serve me up a good time on a silver platter.

Before I could speak Spanish I had no problem with jumping into a taxi and telling the driver one simple phrase: "Donde estan las mujeres?" In Lima the guy took me to Las Cucardas. In Bogota the guy took me to Santa Fe. I had a bang up time in both places. It did not matter how different they were from each other. I had money and they had women.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1955663]Before I could speak Spanish I had no problem with jumping into a taxi and telling the driver one simple phrase: "Donde estan las mujeres?" In Lima the guy took me to Las Cucardas. In Bogota the guy took me to Santa Fe. I had a bang up time in both places. It did not matter how different they were from each other. I had money and they had women.[/QUOTE]Now it's turned into a debate about how the phrase "sex tourism destination" is to be defined. Such is essentially a circle jerk / complete waste of time. If we follow Mr. E any city on the planet would qualify as such a destination except perhaps some in some hardcore Islamic states. Black Page unless you are talking about one of these, by all means don't be claiming any cities are not sex tourism destinations. Just find a cab driver or even random guy in a bar and ask him where the girls are, in the local tongue of course while more of the same will surely come in handy upon arrival at the destination. Let's not over estimate hand signals or even google translate. .

BTW, and for the record, Colombia very much does not want to be considered a sex tourism destination in the matter of North American visitors and the like. And before one protests too loudly keep in mind the authorities can be good at getting in the last word.

Well Put Mr. E,

That's why when I post on this board I try to give some insight into what's happening. I am not telling someone how to dress or where to eat but since I been traveling and listened to people on this board it's helped me on my original travels immensely.

There all different places. One example Sosua at night I see guys walking around in tank tops shorts or swim shorts and sandals.

Well that just doesn't cut it in tu candela in Cartagena. The person would not do well or fit in. But yet I get backlash for trying to help from some people.

But I trudge on. I give more PM advice then I do on the boards because usually the people are more serious about wanting help and less judge mental.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1955663]I know many do, but why would they even expect two places to be the same just because they are in the same category? The first thing people ask when going to a new place is "Do they have a club like Help?" (You should have added Rio.) You don't March into Taco Bell and ask about a Big Mac. Both are fast food restaurants but who would expect the menus to be the same?

It would be the fault of the monger for not doing his homework. Rio is known for sex tourism, but my first time there I was with my wife and could not have spotted a hooker within a three block radius had you paid me. I did not know the ropes and was not there for that. When I got divorced and returned with my friends for the purpose of sex tourism and they taught me the lay of the land it was like a different place to me.

The places that you have listed are exceptions to the rule. I live in Pattaya and Dcfan is here visiting for the first time. (Being a Medellin vet, I don't think he expected here to be like Medellin, so why would another monger expect Medellin to be like the next place on the list?) I have shown him that if you want some pussy here then all you have to do is walk outside and you can literally get pussy faster than you can get food. There are tons more sex touism places that are nothing like the 4 places you have listed. And although I am in the mood for Pattaya style sex tourism today, I may be in the mood for Medellin type sex tourism tomorrow.

I have never been disappointed in any sex tourism place. You know why? Because I keep an open mind and I know how to make my own fun. For the past 2 days Dcfan has been ranting about how today he has to get a chick that fits some type of description. But his mind has not been locked on that as other mongers get their minds locked, to be later disappointed when they do not find what they set out to and thereafter calling the destination garbage, boring, or whatever else. At the first hint that fun can be had, he goes with the flow and all that other shit falls out the window leaving him with the net balance of a good ass time. Point me to the spot where chicks are giving out pussy for money and I will show up to make my own good time. I am not waiting for someone to serve me up a good time on a silver platter.

Before I could speak Spanish I had no problem with jumping into a taxi and telling the driver one simple phrase: "Donde estan las mujeres?" In Lima the guy took me to Las Cucardas. In Bogota the guy took me to Santa Fe. I had a bang up time in both places. It did not matter how different they were from each other. I had money and they had women.[/QUOTE]

So this morning I tried something completely different. I changed my location to Cartagena on Tinder. I found the Cartagena Tinder, as has been reported in the past, is flooded with working girls.

Instead of the usual mister naive nice guy I like to play, I decided to be a complete asshole and see how far I could get. I told her right of the bat to shut up (callate), she sent back a "jajaja soy dame de campania" to which I sarcastically told her I was surprised to hear. I proceeded to tell her I had a jacuzzi waiting in Medellin and wanted to fly her out. I told her all expenses will be paid and I would give her a good sum of money (did not mention how much). I didn't even wait for a response. I told her I would do her "sin condom" the entire two weeks she would be with and not to argue. I expected her to unmatch. Instead she sent me her whatsapp number and told me she's game.

In Whatsapp I asked her for a cedula number so I could book her on the Avianca flight. She sent me a photo of her ID which shocked me even more.

I unmatched her and blocked her on whatsapp. Honestly, I was surprised any of that worked but being hyper aggressive and just generally an asshole gets results?

Well you can do what you want obviously. But all that was pretty fucked up. Especially since that kind of stupid shit fucks it up for guys who really want to do just what you said (other then the sin condom thing although that's how I insist on my BJ, fucking is another story it's a must to use).

Then guys wander why girls act like assholes.

In short what a dick thing to do.

But hey that's up to you but it sure as hell isn't helping good people on this board.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1955814]So this morning I tried something completely different. I changed my location to Cartagena on Tinder. I found the Cartagena Tinder, as has been reported in the past, is flooded with working girls.

Instead of the usual mister naive nice guy I like to play, I decided to be a complete asshole and see how far I could get. I told her right of the bat to shut up (callate), she sent back a "jajaja soy dame de campania" to which I sarcastically told her I was surprised to hear. I proceeded to tell her I had a jacuzzi waiting in Medellin and wanted to fly her out. I told her all expenses will be paid and I would give her a good sum of money (did not mention how much). I didn't even wait for a response. I told her I would do her "sin condom" the entire two weeks she would be with and not to argue. I expected her to unmatch. Instead she sent me her whatsapp number and told me she's game.

In Whatsapp I asked her for a cedula number so I could book her on the Avianca flight. She sent me a photo of her ID which shocked me even more.

I unmatched her and blocked her on whatsapp. Honestly, I was surprised any of that worked but being hyper aggressive and just generally an asshole gets results?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YouCan;1955818]
In short what a dick thing to do.
[/QUOTE]Yes I know. I shouldn't have done it. I was just curious to see how far you could get. To be honest I feel bad because this girl was probably desperate for work. I bet Cartagena is flooded now with Venezuelans and its hard for working girls to find clients regularly.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1955814]So this morning I tried something completely different. I changed my location to Cartagena on Tinder. I found the Cartagena Tinder, as has been reported in the past, is flooded with working girls.

Instead of the usual mister naive nice guy I like to play, I decided to be a complete asshole and see how far I could get. I told her right of the bat to shut up (callate), she sent back a "jajaja soy dame de campania" to which I sarcastically told her I was surprised to hear. I proceeded to tell her I had a jacuzzi waiting in Medellin and wanted to fly her out. I told her all expenses will be paid and I would give her a good sum of money (did not mention how much). I didn't even wait for a response. I told her I would do her "sin condom" the entire two weeks she would be with and not to argue. I expected her to unmatch. Instead she sent me her whatsapp number and told me she's game.

In Whatsapp I asked her for a cedula number so I could book her on the Avianca flight. She sent me a photo of her ID which shocked me even more.

I unmatched her and blocked her on whatsapp. Honestly, I was surprised any of that worked but being hyper aggressive and just generally an asshole gets results?[/QUOTE]Karma is going to come back and bite you buddy.

Why mess with girls like that?

I can understand it with a girl that dissed you, but whatever, takes all kinds.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;1955449]Seems to me that all that Black Page was saying it that it takes some Spanish to get around Medellin. You can't just parachute in with three or four words of the language and expect to avoid a lot of frustrations. There are destinations though that are set up for gringo tourism where one can literally show up with nothing but hola and adios in their pocket and do quite well if they confine themselves to certain areas. Medellin isn't one of them though. And if someone wants to claim that they can show up in Colombian knowing only a few words and get the rest done with hand signals I'm going to call them full of shit. Lying on the internet is easy and common enough. .

P.S. Not to mention that if you go around to the casas which are set up for the Colombians speaking English without even attempting to speak Spanish you're just going to look like a dick, but what is else is new.[/QUOTE]Fair enough, I agree with MDE not being as English friendly as the other places like Thailand and the scene wasn't designed with foreigners in mind. At the same time, if we are just talking about casas and places like San Diego and Face Dos, etc, how much really needs to be said? Agree to the pre set price package, pick a girl and go. If you are there to just screw, not much need to be said especially at the kinds of places I mentioned before. As far as taxis, have the address of the place you want to go handy and give it to the driver, if he doesn't know, move on to someone who does or he will ask another driver how to get there (that was my experience). The basic P4 P scheme is not that much different than the other destinations if you take away the Mabs, walking street, Classicos, and Del Rey type locations. If you do your research and prepare accordingly, you should be good in the P4 P game even without Spanish skills.

Now outside of P4 P, I agree 100% that it's very difficult without the language skill, but so can some of the other destinations. It can definitely get boring there outside of P4 P if you don't have anything else going.

[QUOTE=Ee2002;1955976]FThe basic P4 P scheme is not that much different than the other destinations if you take away the Mabs, walking street, Classicos, and Del Rey type locations. If you do your research and prepare accordingly, you should be good in the P4 P game even without Spanish skills.[/QUOTE]The first one surrounds the phrase "sexual tourism destination" which is defined any way someone chooses. To BP certain parameters are involved while Mr E considers any place when you can ask a taxi driver "where are the girls?" qualifies.

Now we want to define "Spanish skills. " Well you aren't getting English in Medellin like in Gringo Gulch CR for example, so it would be a good idea to show up with some, to, and I reiterate, order some food, talk to the taxi driver, deal with the maid, the hotel, and the bank, and to even understand a bit of what is said to you at the casas and to make certain requests. It's also common courtesy to make an attempt at speaking the local language and abiding by local customs. So yep some Spanish skills (but by no means fluency) is called for in a way that it isn't in some other destinations.

I'll add this, any guy wanting to walk around El Centro in cargo shorts hitting the casas and with no interest in using the local language, I'm personally not going to do anything to help you. My choice.

[QUOTE=Balboa;1955942]Karma is going to come back and bite you buddy.

Why mess with girls like that?

I can understand it with a girl that dissed you, but whatever, takes all kinds.[/QUOTE]In the interest of putting this to rest. I unblocked and messaged her a brief apology. A few hours later she responded: "jajaja, no problem. " I don't think she cared. She probably gets all kinds of weird messages and pranks.

Recap of this week: Chilled Sunday. Hit Lili Swing club on Monday for Gang Bang night. It started to rain on my way there. Unfortunately It was over by the time I got to the club. Due to the down pour, Majorista was out of the question. My only option was the Centro Strip Clubs. Hit Maracaibo, it was almost dead, decided on having 1 beer to get out of the rain. Upon sitting down, 3 Venezolanas surrounded m: A young skinny one, an older skinny one with bolt-ONS and a MILF. It was the MILF's 4 day in Medellin and supposedly had not had sex in 2 months. The MILF won out. In the back room she acted like she hadn't had any in 2 months. Wild and Wanton she was, gave me a little BBBJ too. I had a great time with her. YMMV.

Tuesday, I was contacted by a semi pro I met last May. I had no plans for the night and she suggested Lili Swing club for Lesby night. I got there at the agreed upon time, but she didn't. For some reason, there wasn't much action at Lili this night. After it was over I went to Majorista.

Not that many chicas were present, and the pickings were slim. However, I did find one MILFy looking chica with a nice rack and pulled her for a round. She was OK, but she also looked better with her clothes on. Mission accomplished.

I was a Zero on Wednesday. Wasn't sure what to do on Thursday, when Ms Semi Pro hit me up again. She wanted to go to Lili again. This time, I had her come to my apartment, so we would go together. This worked out better and she arrived on time.

We were the first to arrive at the Club. Gradually other couples and groups of single women arrived. There were more women then men this night. Last to arrive were two Fase II babes, one was from Venezuela. My "date" is known at Lili and we got to mingle. This was a much better night at Lili. I played with my "date" a few times. Unfortunately, like my previous visits here, no swapping occurred between any couples. None of the single ladies joined us either.

After we closed up Lili, my "date" wanted to go to a disco nearby. Fahrenheit, I think it was called. We met up with the Fase II babes there. I was hoping we'd take one or both to them home, but sadly that was not go be. (My "date" is Bi, BTW.) She wanted the Venezolana as much as I wanted. The Fase II chicas left. There was a table of babes nearby, with this Outstanding Chica. Unfortunately she wanted too much and wouldn't budge. My "date" also couldn't get her to close the deal.

The sun was out when we left the disco. Ms Semi Pro still wanted to party. We hit another bar called VIP room, I think. (Things were starting to get fuzzy at this point.) I have no clue were this place is located. It wasn't that crowded and there were a few women there. We had 1 round at headed home. We got back to the apartment after 9 a.

Friday: I arrived at Ejecutiva about 12:30 a, it was crowded, but not as much as the previous Friday. Also, it looked like less chicas, Maybe because of the rain. I bounced between Ejecutiva and Maracaibo the rest of the night. Hooked up with the MILF from Monday night again. She wanted a repeat. We were going to hit a nearby Motel since it was a;most closing time. On the way to the motel, she mentioned Casa Blanca, an after hours club. I had heard about this place, but wasn't sure of its location. Surprisingly it's walking distance from Lafayette Motel. I think this is a illegal club, it has no signage, locked barred entrance. They only open when the coast is clear. This is were the the Maracaibo and Ejecutiva chicas go, when there clubs close. It was packed. Lots of young local dudes too. Beers and ladies drink are 6 K. They also have dancers, who come around looking for tips after their set. This place is open til Noon or later!

We had a couple of rounds, and walked to Lafayette motel. Another good time with this MILF, but she balked at the BBBJ this time. This was the second night I got home after 9 a.

[QUOTE=Combo;1955591]No, it's certainly not like the places you mentioned where it's pretty much in your face. That said, any hobbyist who does his research and is reasonably determined can find pay-for-play in MDE. Even if he speaks no Spanish.[/QUOTE]I speak Spanish, I did my research prior to my first trip. Some of these casitas are hard to find, as there is no signage, and some have no address on display. (It's the Blue Door, for example.) Other examples, Sexy Fantasias 1 and Chicas Punto com are hidden away inside a a small shopping mall on the second and third floor. Had I not cross path with the tout outside, I never would have found these places. Yakusa, is on a street, an ally maybe, that doesn't show up on Google maps. I was wandering around the area trying to find it. The Dude I was with, on my first trip, who has been here many times, also had some difficulty find some of these places. This is what BlackPage was referring too. And I'll add the difficulty of getting BBBJ here. I having fun, but I've had More fun in other places.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1955984]I speak Spanish, I did my research prior to my first trip. Some of these casitas are hard to find, as there is no signage, and some have no address on display. (It's the Blue Door, for example.) Other examples, Sexy Fantasias 1 and Chicas Punto com are hidden away inside a a small shopping mall on the second and third floor. Had I not cross path with the tout outside, I never would have found these places. Yakusa, is on a street, an ally maybe, that doesn't show up on Google maps. [/QUOTE]Yes, it is! Look at it again. Its on Carrera 50-a behind the Hotel Nutibara. Its not marked but its right next door to the "love hotel" Desios, which you can see on Google streetview. Desios has an image of a charging unicorn on the front window. LOL. Its actually on the same short block where the airport combus departs and arrives. If you need to pop as soon as you arrive, or right before you leave for the airport, you are only 50 feet away from Yakuza.

I scoped out the general vicinity based on the address via google maps before setting out, so I knew what to look for. But, as I got on the Avenida behind the Nutibara, some hawker was handing out little slips of paper for Yakuza with the address, and he pointed over his shoulder. How could it have been easier to find, other than having him take you by the hand and lead you there? Yakuza doesn't have a sign, but the door was wide open. Some young guys were loitering around the entrance, talking to a young chica. I said "Yakuza?" (remember, I don't speak Spanish) and the chica nodded and motioned me inside. The rest is in my trip report.

For those who need a bit more guidance, check out the photos on this site.

[URL]http://colombia.adultsearch.com/medellin/erotic-massage-parlor[/URL]

Click on the thumbnails for the casa you want to visit and it will give a reasonable idea of where you need to be going. The door in the middle is where you should walk in. I checked out the location for Barcelona, but did not go in, whilst walking through that neigborhood. I hailed a cab and showed him the street address to Aifee on my smart phone. He dropped me right in front of the place. You can bet cab drivers know where this stuff is at. The entrance to Aifee is just like the door in the middle of the photo on the website, as well as on google maps streetview. It has a bright red door frame. Easy to spot. I swear, the internet makes this shit so easy! But, not everyone is me.

I am booked for Colombia for 2+ weeks in mid Nov, and had a couple questions, or more like recommendations. Basically stuff that I wasn't able to find after extensive RTTF. And since I will be staying in MDE for the majority of the time, I am posting in this forum.

I am travelling solo, 34 years old, decent Spanish skills, average salsa / bacahta dancing skills (which I hear is good for the non-pros), and I prefer my girls semi-pro to non-pro, with GFE.

My first stop is Bogota, landing on a Friday afternoon, was the only direct flight from Toronto, so am going to spend the weekend there, then head to a different city. The cities that I want to cover are Bogota, Medellin, Cali and (maybe) Cartagena. I will be booking one way flights within the cities they are about $40 Canadian dollars (1 $ = 2200 COP), and am ok with booking flights and hotels / Airbnb's at the last minute. I don't want to have a set itinerary, in case I like / dislike one city and want to stay there longer / shorter.

-- Question #1 is, since I have 3 weekends to spend in Colombia, which of those cities are better during the week, and which ones deserve a weekend?

-- Second question: Is the weather as cold as it says in Bogota, and as rainy as it says in Medellin? I'm from Canada, so I want the warm weather, which is why I have Cali & Cartagena in mind.

-- 3rd question, I've been reading that getting girls from Facebook is a good idea. How would I add some girls, I. E. Where would I start in finding them? I am getting Tinder + (as recommended by YippieKayay), and other dating apps, so that will help.

Can't think of anything else to ask right now, but feel free to give any recommendations, or anything that might help me.

Thank you for your help, and look forward to providing updated reports during and after my stay.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1955984]Recap of this week: [/QUOTE]You really know how to move around there! Kudos.

Lili is one of my favorite places. The problem is that they admit singles only on dead days, and on hot days real couples can spot immediately if your date is a semipro or not. Hence the chances to play with real couples or not.

Casa Blanca has been active there for many years already. It's not so bad. A nice place where to go afterhours ("amanacero", which should be "amanacedero" Anyone knows if La Manzana is still open? How is it? Years ago, a taxi driver named it to me as a "nido de perros".

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1955989]Yes, it is! Look at it again. Its on Carrera 50-a behind the Hotel Nutibara. some hawker was handing out little slips of paper for Yakuza with the address, and he pointed over his shoulder.[/QUOTE]My fault for not being clear. I did find it. Prior to finding it, I asked staff at a business around the corner from it and they didn't know. Finally encountered the Hawker a block away, and I had him take me to it. Sadly, nothing to my liking at the time. Went another time and only 2 chicas present. They supposedly close later than all the other centro casitas.

[QUOTE=Ee2002;1955976]Fair enough, I agree with MDE not being as English friendly as the other places like Thailand and the scene wasn't designed with foreigners in mind. At the same time, if we are just talking about casas and places like San Diego and Face Dos, etc, how much really needs to be said? Agree to the pre set price package, pick a girl and go. If you are there to just screw, not much need to be said especially at the kinds of places I mentioned before. As far as taxis, have the address of the place you want to go handy and give it to the driver, if he doesn't know, move on to someone who does or he will ask another driver how to get there (that was my experience). [/QUOTE]This is still bad advice. You are continuing to overlook everything else that happens outside of visiting casas and strip clubs. Can you order from an all Spanish menu? What happens if you drugged and robbed? Do you know how to call the police and explain this to them? Can you describe the physical description of the assailants?

Let's take your example of "oh, you don't need to know any Spanish. Just hand the taxi driver a piece of paper with the address of where you want to go". Knowing a decent amount of Spanish will help you with situational awareness, because if the taxi driver turns to you and says "sure amigo, but we are going to make a detour through my barrio first to pick up my friend because he wants to go as well", then you would have no idea that you are possibly in danger.

You may think the above example may be a wild exaggeration, but there was a Senior Member here (I think it may have been Ricker; I remember that this particular poster would post here and also in the Rio thread) who wrote about bailing out of a taxi mid-trip leaving La Mayorista because the driver was taking a route different than what was asked of him. This particular Senior Member knew the area well and also understood and spoke some Spanish, so he was able to assess the situation and make a judgement call that possible kept him out of danger.

Just imagine the shit you would be in with the opposite.

We all make mistakes! Thanks to owning up to that one. I have definitely made my share. It takes a real man to admit he probably didn't do the right thing.

Thumbs up.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1955842]Yes I know. I shouldn't have done it. I was just curious to see how far you could get. To be honest I feel bad because this girl was probably desperate for work. I bet Cartagena is flooded now with Venezuelans and its hard for working girls to find clients regularly.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1956139]This is still bad advice. You are continuing to overlook everything else that happens outside of visiting casas and strip clubs. Can you order from an all Spanish menu? What happens if you drugged and robbed? Do you know how to call the police and explain this to them? Can you describe the physical description of the assailants?

Let's take your example of "oh, you don't need to know any Spanish.[/QUOTE]Hell. I can barely do all of that stuff in English. Been to Vietnam; do not speak Vietnamese. Been to Russia; can only say Hello, and biotch in Russian. Been to Egypt and can not speak any Arabic. Been to a ton of other places without knowing the language. If everyone depended on knowing the local language before going anywhere then nobody would ever go anywhere. Even if you do know the language, that is not going to stop evildoers that wish to do you harm. They are not going to stop with their plans for the simple fact that you can say hey this is not the way to my hotel in the local language.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1956139]This is still bad advice. You are continuing to overlook everything else that happens outside of visiting casas and strip clubs. Can you order from an all Spanish menu? What happens if you drugged and robbed? Do you know how to call the police and explain this to them? Can you describe the physical description of the assailants?

Let's take your example of "oh, you don't need to know any Spanish. Just hand the taxi driver a piece of paper with the address of where you want to go". Knowing a decent amount of Spanish will help you with situational awareness, because if the taxi driver turns to you and says "sure amigo, but we are going to make a detour through my barrio first to pick up my friend because he wants to go as well", then you would have no idea that you are possibly in danger.

You may think the above example may be a wild exaggeration, but there was a Senior Member here (I think it may have been Ricker; I remember that this particular poster would post here and also in the Rio thread) who wrote about bailing out of a taxi mid-trip leaving La Mayorista because the driver was taking a route different than what was asked of him. This particular Senior Member knew the area well and also understood and spoke some Spanish, so he was able to assess the situation and make a judgement call that possible kept him out of danger.

Just imagine the shit you would be in with the opposite.[/QUOTE]Ok, the scenarios you described can happen anywhere you travel where the primary language is other than your own, even the sexual tourism locations, especially once you venture out of the tourist zone. Obviously learning the language is a good thing to do anywhere you go, but it's not absolutely necessary and you are not doomed if you don't, even in Medellin. Like Mr E said, you wouldn't be able to travel anywhere if that was the prerequisite. Although Medellin still isn't English friendly, there have been info available online about this place for over a decade. Many trip reports have been written about where to go and not to go. If your language skills are lacking and you have problems reading a menu there are ways around it, this is 2016, LOL.

Anyways, that's my view and I can respect the other opinions on the subject based on your experience. We don't have to agree on everything. Most important thing is that you do your research (RTFF), be respectful, be careful and have a good time, can we at least agree on that, LOL!

[QUOTE=Jasoonnn;1956038]I am booked for Colombia for 2+ weeks in mid Nov, and had a couple questions, or more like recommendations. Basically stuff that I wasn't able to find after extensive RTTF. And since I will be staying in MDE for the majority of the time, I am posting in this forum.

I am travelling solo, 34 years old, decent Spanish skills, average salsa / bacahta dancing skills (which I hear is good for the non-pros), and I prefer my girls semi-pro to non-pro, with GFE.

My first stop is Bogota, landing on a Friday afternoon, was the only direct flight from Toronto, so am going to spend the weekend there, then head to a different city. The cities that I want to cover are Bogota, Medellin, Cali and (maybe) Cartagena. I will be booking one way flights within the cities they are about $40 Canadian dollars (1 $ = 2200 COP), and am ok with booking flights and hotels / Airbnb's at the last minute. I don't want to have a set itinerary, in case I like / dislike one city and want to stay there longer / shorter.

-- Question #1 is, since I have 3 weekends to spend in Colombia, which of those cities are better during the week, and which ones deserve a weekend?

-- Second question: Is the weather as cold as it says in Bogota, and as rainy as it says in Medellin? I'm from Canada, so I want the warm weather, which is why I have Cali & Cartagena in mind.

-- 3rd question, I've been reading that getting girls from Facebook is a good idea. How would I add some girls, I. E. Where would I start in finding them? I am getting Tinder + (as recommended by YippieKayay), and other dating apps, so that will help.

Can't think of anything else to ask right now, but feel free to give any recommendations, or anything that might help me.

Thank you for your help, and look forward to providing updated reports during and after my stay.[/QUOTE]If you have average Salsa and Bachata skills, you are ahead of most Paisas. Regaetton is much more popular in MDE than Salsa or Bachata. Although in la Cueva (basement of the Mansion), they'll play some Bachata or Salsa here and there to appeal to us visitors. And there are a few decent Salsa clubs near la 70. However, if you try to give the Paisas a cross body lead / dile que no, they're not likely to know what you want them to do.

Medellin is not Cuba, Puerto Rico, or the DR. The quality of dance is generally not high. Cali, however, is a different story (for Salsa, not Bachata). If you want, PM me and I can give you some music / dance ideas for Cali.

If you're looking for nice warm weather, I'd spend more time in MDE and Cali. Cartagena can be scorching hot. I haven't gone to BOG for the same reasons that you listed. It's supposed to be cold and I like nice pleasant weather on vacation. All these cities will have plenty of weekday chica options. However, Bogota, given its size, likely has more way possibilities than the others.

A competing forum held a Halloween Party last night in the Poblado area. Lot of talent and eye candy, and some great sexy costumes. Supposedly, chicas from the casitas and strip bars were present, but a few I talked to were semi-pro Freelancers. Hooked up with a super cute, twenty-something Hottie. Great ass on this girl, Back at the apartment, got GFE and BBBJ from her. The sight of her in doggie, Ass Up, OMG! Centerfold quality!! Yummy Girl, got to repeat with this one.

Walked her out to get a taxi after 4 a. All the area bars and clubs had closed. Everyone and their cousin were on the streets. Saw lots of Great costumes too. It was a zoo. There were not enough cabs. And some of the taxi's were refusing fares. Food stands and one restaurant I visited had run out of food. Even though there are no Haunted Houses, they celebrate Halloween Great here.

[QUOTE=Jasoonnn;1956038]

My first stop is Bogota, landing on a Friday afternoon, was the only direct flight from Toronto, so am going to spend the weekend there, then head to a different city. The cities that I want to cover are Bogota, Medellin, Cali and (maybe) Cartagena. I will be booking one way flights within the cities they are about $40 Canadian dollars (1 $ = 2200 COP), and am ok with booking flights and hotels / Airbnb's at the last minute. I don't want to have a set itinerary, in case I like / dislike one city and want to stay there longer / shorter.
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I booked my Airbnb ahead of time for MDE. The nice apartments are booked solid in November. I was lucky and found a nice place 5 minutes from parque lleras. Travelling in a couple of weeks a well.

[QUOTE=Cm6363;1955049]Personally, I enjoy spending a few hours or overnight with the non-pros or the semi-pros. [/QUOTE]Spending a few hours with a non-pro is called a date. Can you get a regular date in the USA (or wherever you are from)? If not, forget about getting a woman to go out with you in Colombia. If you are referring to several hours or overnight with money involved, then you are talking about a professional. If a women takes money for sex, she is a pro. But if semi-pro, or non-pro, is some kind of justification for you, so be it.

If you can get a regular woman to go on a date with you at home, and you speak pretty good Spanish, you should be able to get a date in Colombia. But if you are staying at the Mansion or Parque LLeras, you probably won't a regular woman to agree to it once she figures out that you are a working girl monger.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1955814]So this morning I tried something completely different. I changed my location to Cartagena on Tinder. I found the Cartagena Tinder, as has been reported in the past, is flooded with working girls.

Instead of the usual mister naive nice guy I like to play, I decided to be a complete asshole and see how far I could get. I told her right of the bat to shut up (callate), she sent back a "jajaja soy dame de campania" to which I sarcastically told her I was surprised to hear. I proceeded to tell her I had a jacuzzi waiting in Medellin and wanted to fly her out. I told her all expenses will be paid and I would give her a good sum of money (did not mention how much). I didn't even wait for a response. I told her I would do her "sin condom" the entire two weeks she would be with and not to argue. I expected her to unmatch. Instead she sent me her whatsapp number and told me she's game.

In Whatsapp I asked her for a cedula number so I could book her on the Avianca flight. She sent me a photo of her ID which shocked me even more.

I unmatched her and blocked her on whatsapp. Honestly, I was surprised any of that worked but being hyper aggressive and just generally an asshole gets results?[/QUOTE]Real class act.

It's scumbags like you that turn the chicas into thinking all gringos are scamming douchebags.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1956324]Spending a few hours with a non-pro is called a date. Can you get a regular date in the USA (or wherever you are from)? If not, forget about getting a woman to go out with you in Colombia. If you are referring to several hours or overnight with money involved, then you are talking about a professional. If a women takes money for sex, she is a pro. But if semi-pro, or non-pro, is some kind of justification for you, so be it.

If you can get a regular woman to go on a date with you at home, and you speak pretty good Spanish, you should be able to get a date in Colombia. But if you are staying at the Mansion or Parque LLeras, you probably won't a regular woman to agree to it once she figures out that you are a working girl monger.[/QUOTE]Yup. If you're after a non-pro or even a semi-pro and you're staying at the Mansion, you're going to need to pay for additional accommodations for those nights. Even a semi-pro will freak out if you're staying at the Mansion. FWIW I would define a semi-pro as a girl that does this very rarely and prefers to do it under cover of "dating. ".

[QUOTE=Queens35;1956358]Real class act.

It's scumbags like you that turn the chicas into thinking all gringos are scamming douchebags.[/QUOTE]I agree that that was stupid and it was foolish of him playing on poor and desperate people. Remember they do what they do because they don't have any choice.

[QUOTE=Combo;1956371]Even a semi-pro will freak out if you're staying at the Mansion.[/QUOTE]A true "kiss of death".

Let's get back to trip reports and fun. I don't speak espanol and I am find traveling. Is everyone cut out for it no. I am street smart, yes I can order from a all Spanish menu I do it all the time. Sometimes it can be funny because I fuck up and look and go what the fuck is this? Also most restaurants and bars have wifi so it helps to get connected because you can use your tranlator if you have no Spanish. That can help someone. But sure it be great to be fluent in all languages but for me it's not going to happen.

I been in all kind of situations and ended up making my way through them even with illegal situations.

Medellin is a big city, some people you could drop off in Mannhatten and they would be lost even speaking English.

You just need to want to travel and fucking do it.

Fuck worrying about Spanish. Try to learn basic stuff and get on a fucking plane and travel. That's what I do.

[QUOTE=Ee2002;1956262]Ok, the scenarios you described can happen anywhere you travel where the primary language is other than your own, even the sexual tourism locations, especially once you venture out of the tourist zone. Obviously learning the language is a good thing to do anywhere you go, but it's not absolutely necessary and you are not doomed if you don't, even in Medellin. Like Mr E said, you wouldn't be able to travel anywhere if that was the prerequisite. Although Medellin still isn't English friendly, there have been info available online about this place for over a decade. Many trip reports have been written about where to go and not to go. If your language skills are lacking and you have problems reading a menu there are ways around it, this is 2016, LOL.

Anyways, that's my view and I can respect the other opinions on the subject based on your experience. We don't have to agree on everything. Most important thing is that you do your research (RTFF), be respectful, be careful and have a good time, can we at least agree on that, LOL![/QUOTE]

Shut up fng. Only 2 posts and you criticize a real member.The girl seemed okay with his offer. You don't know these girls. They don't see gringos as scammers, the guy wasn't even scamming anyone. So he negotiated a deal that he was not serious about. Plenty of people cancel on deals they are serious about. The girls are used to it. They see gringos as moneybags to be scammed. They will eat you alive if you try and be a Capn Savaho. So when you see a guy talking about developing his game be happy someone is sharing good info.

[QUOTE=PickCherry12;1956385]I agree that that was stupid and it was foolish of him playing on poor and desperate people. Remember they do what they do because they don't have any choice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CrazyJimWood;1956618]Shut up fng. Only 2 posts and you criticize a real member.The girl seemed okay with his offer. You don't know these girls. They don't see gringos as scammers, the guy wasn't even scamming anyone. They see gringos as moneybags to be scammed. They will eat you alive if you try and be a Capn Savaho. So when you see a guy talking about developing his game be happy someone is sharing good info. .[/QUOTE]There's a lot of ways to skin a cat and he could of gotten the same results in a completely different way.

As far as the girls not seeing gringos as scammers, well they actually see gringos as walking ATM machines!

[QUOTE=YouCan;1956573]Let's get back to trip reports and fun. I don't speak espanol and I am find traveling. Is everyone cut out for it no. I am street smart, yes I can order from a all Spanish menu I do it all the time. Sometimes it can be funny because I fuck up and look and go what the fuck is this? Also most restaurants and bars have wifi so it helps to get connected because you can use your tranlator if you have no Spanish. That can help someone. But sure it be great to be fluent in all languages but for me it's not going to happen.

I been in all kind of situations and ended up making my way through them even with illegal situations.

Medellin is a big city, some people you could drop off in Mannhatten and they would be lost even speaking English.

You just need to want to travel and fucking do it.

Fuck worrying about Spanish. Try to learn basic stuff and get on a fucking plane and travel. That's what I do.[/QUOTE]I'm for moving on as well. I'll add this though, all this long winded scrambling and defensiveness against a few suggestions to learn some Spanish is rather telling and actually surprising. Just got off your lazy ass and improve your skills in the language of places you want to visit. The more you know the more your trip will be enhanced. There are a lot of free apps out there and you'the be surprised how much you can learn just putting in an hour a day.

Also guys with only a handful of Spanish words in their pocket would likely be better off in a place like Costa Rica with a number of English speaking hotels that cater to tourists, English speaking chicas working as independents, and English speaking staff at several of the popular casas or MPs frequented by gringos. In fact in these venues most of your working girls know a fair amount of basic English just as result of dealing with a lot of gringos.

[QUOTE=CrazyJimWood;1956618]Shut up fng. Only 2 posts and you criticize a real member.The girl seemed okay with his offer. You don't know these girls. They don't see gringos as scammers, the guy wasn't even scamming anyone. So he negotiated a deal that he was not serious about. Plenty of people cancel on deals they are serious about. The girls are used to it. They see gringos as moneybags to be scammed. They will eat you alive if you try and be a Capn Savaho. So when you see a guy talking about developing his game be happy someone is sharing good info...[/QUOTE]Well you just prove beyond all doubt that post counts don't necessarily correlate with intelligent feedback. Thought I'the mention that since you bring the subject up. The OP himself admitted that his actions were wrong then manned up and apologized to the girl. Good move as his actions were indefensible. You though sound like you have some anger issues and feel that any random girl deserves this sort of treatment because your feelings have been hurt in the past. Boo Hoo. Please keep that horseshit in the states, is not wanted in Medellin.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1956306]A competing forum held a Halloween Party last night in the Poblado area. Lot of talent and eye candy, and some great sexy costumes. Supposedly, chicas from the casitas and strip bars were present, but a few I talked to were semi-pro Freelancers. Hooked up with a super cute, twenty-something Hottie. Great ass on this girl, Back at the apartment, got GFE and BBBJ from her. The sight of her in doggie, Ass Up, OMG! Centerfold quality!! Yummy Girl, got to repeat with this one.

Walked her out to get a taxi after 4 a. All the area bars and clubs had closed. Everyone and their cousin were on the streets. Saw lots of Great costumes too. It was a zoo. There were not enough cabs. And some of the taxi's were refusing fares. Food stands and one restaurant I visited had run out of food. Even though there are no Haunted Houses, they celebrate Halloween Great here.[/QUOTE]I was there too, from about 10 PM until 5 AM and wow the crowds, the costumes, the party atmosphere and the girls. Although I did not partake (I drank way too much) it was one hell of a night!

TTM.

[QUOTE=YouCan;1956573]Let's get back to trip reports and fun. I don't speak espanol and I am find traveling. Is everyone cut out for it no. I am street smart, yes I can order from a all Spanish menu I do it all the time. Sometimes it can be funny because I fuck up and look and go what the fuck is this? Also most restaurants and bars have wifi so it helps to get connected because you can use your tranlator if you have no Spanish. That can help someone. But sure it be great to be fluent in all languages but for me it's not going to happen.

I been in all kind of situations and ended up making my way through them even with illegal situations.

Medellin is a big city, some people you could drop off in Mannhatten and they would be lost even speaking English.

You just need to want to travel and fucking do it.

Fuck worrying about Spanish. Try to learn basic stuff and get on a fucking plane and travel. That's what I do.[/QUOTE]I completely agree, the same could be said for dropping somebody off in LOS Angeles, but if they are of Latin decent and know Spanish they'll find their way around much easier than a native English speaker from some some rural small town.

Anyway, I thought the advantage of knowing Spanish (or Portuguese) helped most with business and negotiating with non-Pros? But the ad nauseam rant around here is how long it takes to get into a local's panties.

Not knowing the language forces you to pay more? That might be true but isn't already cheaper than many locations to start with? = YES.

When I was in SP earlier this year I only had about $500 US cash available and had to make it last 28 days. It helped that after my time at an AirBnB apartment I stayed at a hostel where I got to know the owners and everybody else spoke English very well.

I had to find affordable mongering options. Lucky there is plenty of choice down market that the locals mostly use and I was never turned away despite being African-American, hmmm. I was never overcharged either; based on information I found on local web forums (in Portuguese via Google Translate) I was paying exactly what others had reported.

Ironically my mission was to connect with non-Pros via various websites and that was failing miserably mostly because I didn't know Portuguese but eventually learned "Thank You", "Hi" and "Good Bye". Even a local who works for Delta Airlines said "Man you need to learn some Portuguese because hooking up with chicks is not hard. ".

I can corroborate his premise too.

So knowing the local language is somewhat overrated. It's more important if you live there.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1956306]A competing forum held a Halloween Party last night in the Poblado area. Lot of talent and eye candy, and some great sexy costumes. Supposedly, chicas from the casitas and strip bars were present, but a few I talked to were semi-pro Freelancers. Hooked up with a super cute, twenty-something Hottie. Great ass on this girl, Back at the apartment, got GFE and BBBJ from her. The sight of her in doggie, Ass Up, OMG! Centerfold quality!! Yummy Girl, got to repeat with this one.

Walked her out to get a taxi after 4 a. All the area bars and clubs had closed. Everyone and their cousin were on the streets. Saw lots of Great costumes too. It was a zoo. There were not enough cabs. And some of the taxi's were refusing fares. Food stands and one restaurant I visited had run out of food. Even though there are no Haunted Houses, they celebrate Halloween Great here.[/QUOTE]Thanks for coming. It was a blast. Head count came to 166.92 chicas, 74 gringos. This was my first party in Medellin, so I got stupid with the booze and bought a bunch of top shelf liquor that nobody gave a shit about. I almost shit when I saw one of the maids pouring a bunch of rum and cokes with the Zacapa XO. If the party made any money at all, it was plus or minus 100 k pesos. Which is exactly what we were going for.

I'll be honest though, at about 9:45, I was looking at 50 guys and about 6 girls and started to get a little worried. Boyd explained the dynamic and told me to chill. Towards the end, as the guys were leaving with girls, more girls were showing up, but the guys attending had leveled off. I ended up paying for a few taxis for drunk, dateless chicas to go home. Some guys are talking about doing a super bowl party, and I think I'm game. We'll see.

[QUOTE=PickCherry12;1956385]I agree that that was stupid and it was foolish of him playing on poor and desperate people. Remember they do what they do because they don't have any choice.[/QUOTE]I'm all for treating the girls as human beings because they are. However, I'm wouldn't say they don't have any choice. They could work a "normal job" and make a shit wage. Some girls choose the "easy" route of being a prepago, but plenty of poor girls don't. And I'm not necessarily blaming them. It might be a rational decision.

I don't think the OP was necessarily "playing on" poor desperate girls. I think it's more likely than he was just making a fool of himself and possibly putting himself at risk. Many of these girls have some pretty tough hombres as friends. If the OP met this girl in person, she may very well have one-upped him in the nasty threats arena.

Perfectly Put.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;1956644]Well you just prove beyond all doubt that post counts don't necessarily correlate with intelligent feedback. Thought I'the mention that since you bring the subject up. The OP himself admitted that his actions were wrong then manned up and apologized to the girl. Good move as his actions were indefensible. You though sound like you have some anger issues and feel that any random girl deserves this sort of treatment because your feelings have been hurt in the past. Boo Hoo. Please keep that horseshit in the states, is not wanted in Medellin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PickCherry12;1956385]I agree that that was stupid and it was foolish of him playing on poor and desperate people. Remember they do what they do because they don't have any choice.[/QUOTE]People who pull these pranks are actually poor and desperate themselves. Gentlemen travelers have no time for such foolishness.

[QUOTE=PickCherry12;1956385]Remember they do what they do because they don't have any choice.[/QUOTE]I don't have any commentary about your response to the original post; just commenting on your quote from above because this is absolutely not true in the least bit. These chicks are not sitting around starving because there is no gringo sex tourist within a 10 mile radius of her to offer sex for money. They were eating before you got there, and will continue to do so once you have departed back to your home country.

I have been going to Medelland since 2012 and not once have I met a chica who was not dressed well and did not have a cell phone. Most of the chicas I have met hook to buy themselves expensive clothes, accessories, iPhones, etc. Some have day jobs and can only visit me during the late evening. Most are in school and can only visit me on days they do not have class or late afternoon (although I am sure there are plenty that will skip class in order to make some pesos). I have yet to meet any chica who looked to me as if she had just rolled out from under her cardboard box off the street before coming to visit me.

Maybe it just me, but I have never met an extremely poor chica who is able to afford a data plan to be able to communicate daily with extrajernos. I would imagine that the streetwalkers would be the ones considered the poorest of the p4p bunch and may have to do it (hook) because they may not have a choice, but I doubt they would have money to spend on things like data plans, smart phones, and Colombian Cupid when they have mouths to feed.

In regards to Medellin, I can say with extreme confidence that at least 98% of the chicas I met are hooking because:

-It's legal for them to do so, so why not?

-The money is better than working some boring-ass job earning peanuts.

-It is supplemental money to the money they are making at their current job.

-It pays for tuition, books, etc.

-They just want to buy expensive things to show off to friends (both in real life and on Facebook). Plus if she can get some bobo to fly her to Cancun it will make all of her friends (in my best bimbo-internet voice) "super-jealous!"

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1956976]These chicks are not sitting around starving because there is no gringo sex tourist within a 10 mile radius of her to offer sex for money. They were eating before you got there, and will continue to do so once you have departed back to your home country.[/QUOTE]The last chica I "wifed" up with for a year came from a wealthy family, had an engineering degree, and owned plenty of property. Nearing the end of her tenure as my "mistress" she was even looking at using Airbnb to make more money.

In her own words she wasn't "mediocre" and refused to work a normal job. She would rather vacation with me in Aruba at an expensive resort, and lube her ass up every morning than sit in a cubicle and earn a couple of million pesos a month. "You make me feel rich," she would say. She was also crazy in my opinion, but I'm not health care worker so I can't really say she had mental health issues. At the end of our relationship she flew back to Panama City where she likes to sit in a pick up bar and sell herself. When I asked her why she did that she said: "It's all I know. " The most ridiculous statement I ever heard.

Mind you we had a great time together.

I'm very good friends with her aunt, who of course, doesn't know what her niece really does, or is in denial. Her aunt once explained to me that there is a subculture of Colombian women who take advantage of foreign men to earn more income. She told me these women typically are eligible for government welfare checks, or they simply do this on the side to earn more income. She told me to never believe these women, or assume that they are victims. "Parasitos" is the word she used.

I'm not saying the Venezuelan you meet in Cartagena is rich and doesn't need the money. I'm just saying the vast majority of the hot Colombian chicas you meet with plastic surgery and expensive purses are not starving. They supplement their income fucking foreign men. In North America these women would be models, tv presenters, or club promoters. In Colombia they engage in "la puteria. ".

EDIT:

An honestly, I'm a little tired of the responses to the prank I pulled. The chica didn't give a shit. This morning she sent me some silly meme and asked if it would be my first visit to Colombia. She then proceeded to offer some advise on things to see in Medellin and Cartagena. No harm done. Really...

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1956976]I don't have any commentary about your response to the original post; just commenting on your quote from above because this is absolutely not true in the least bit.[/QUOTE]I thought he was being sarcastic when he said they did not have a choice. There is always a choice.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1953656]Yes some guys like to put prostitutes on a pedal stool and worship them, I am not one, I certainly don't buy into the crazy notion that Angeles prostitutes have no other option open to them but to sell their pussy to make money, they mostly are in the business for the large easy money IMHO.

Its funny how 80 million pinoys can put food on the table but the few thousand prostitutes cannot, the mind boggles [/QUOTE]

"Indefensible" is a rather strong word. Clearly you are angry that somewhere in the world a woman may have not been treated with chivalry. And you will defend this random girl you don't know, because after your chivalrous act of course she will have sex with you. So has rescuing internet damsels in distress on the internet worked for you getting you laid, bro? Yeah that's what I thought.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;1956644]Well you just prove beyond all doubt that post counts don't necessarily correlate with intelligent feedback. Thought I'the mention that since you bring the subject up. The OP himself admitted that his actions were wrong then manned up and apologized to the girl. Good move as his actions were indefensible. You though sound like you have some anger issues and feel that any random girl deserves this sort of treatment because your feelings have been hurt in the past. Boo Hoo. Please keep that horseshit in the states, is not wanted in Medellin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1956986]An honestly, I'm a little tired of the responses to the prank I pulled. The chica didn't give a shit. This morning she sent me some silly meme and asked if it would be my first visit to Colombia. She then proceeded to offer some advise on things to see in Medellin and Cartagena. No harm done. Really...[/QUOTE]Who knows really as it's the internet and all we have to go on is what you tell us. But you are typing a lot of long posts and seeking attention. Perhaps you were hoping for a bunch of congratulations out of the real or imagined story then when that backfired started working on the fly. In any case though some maturity would be in order. That much we can take to the bank for sure.

[QUOTE=CrazyJimWood;1957063]Clearly you are angry that somewhere in the world a woman may have not been treated with chivalry.[/QUOTE]"Clearly" you painted yourself in a corner when you pounced on the newbie with two posts and now need to move the goal posts. Dickish behavior is dickish behavior. It's worth calling out as it gives us a bad name in foreign venues. And your argument that any woman in the business is out to get us and thus deserves the abuse is the product of a guy that isn't thinking straight. I rest my case. Back to the regularly scheduled program, reports on the ground in Colombia and the like.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;1957265]"Clearly" you painted yourself in a corner when you pounced on the newbie with two posts and now need to move the goal posts. Dickish behavior is dickish behavior. It's worth calling out as it gives us a bad name in foreign venues. And your argument that any woman in the business is out to get us and thus deserves the abuse is the product of a guy that isn't thinking straight. I rest my case. Back to the regularly scheduled program, reports on the ground in Colombia and the like.[/QUOTE]Sitting in a bar in a bar in Manhattan right now. I'm early 50's, good physical condition, and well dressed. I am sitting next to 3 women. 2 in their mid-late 50's (ok looking given their age) and one chubby but cute girl in her early 30's. I sat next to them on purpose because I thought I might be able to get something going with them. But Nothing despite trying to be nice (not at all aggressive on my part. Not part of my nature).

Anyway, there's no specific point to my post other than I'm spending enough money on 2 drinks that would get me 2 blow jobs in Medellin (which I left 2 weeks ago). This is literally a sex prison. Enjoy your time fully while you are down there guys. It's a special place and I can't wait for my next trip.

I been in your exact shoes many times rite down to Mannhatten bar. Usually it sucks for women, once it ahwhile the stars will align but rarely.

I sitting at my house bar in Cartagena waiting for this super hot 24 year old to show up at 11. I have known her for a couple years. She will dance all around this apartment and suck and fuck everywhere. Then will hit the clubs and who knows bring another girl home to party with us.

Life is good my friend.

It's always nice looking to get back to Colombia!

[QUOTE=RedTibetan23;1958069]Sitting in a bar in a bar in Manhattan right now. I'm early 50's, good physical condition, and well
dressed. I am sitting next to 3 women. 2 in their mid-late 50's (ok looking given their age) and one chubby but cute girl in her early 30's. I sat next to them on purpose because I thought I might be able to get something going with them. But Nothing despite trying to be nice (not at all aggressive on my part. Not part of my nature).

Anyway, there's no specific point to my post other than I'm spending enough money on 2 drinks that would get me 2 blow jobs in Medellin (which I left 2 weeks ago). This is literally a sex prison. Enjoy your time fully while you are down there guys. It's a special place and I can't wait for my next trip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YouCan;1958116]I been in your exact shoes many times rite down to Mannhatten bar. Usually it sucks for women, once it ahwhile the stars will align but rarely.

I sitting at my house bar in Cartagena waiting for this super hot 24 year old to show up at 11. I have known her for a couple years. She will dance all around this apartment and suck and fuck everywhere. Then will hit the clubs and who knows bring another girl home to party with us.

Life is good my friend.

It's always nice looking to get back to Colombia![/QUOTE]Haha. To funny "Sex Prison". I am going down this week for my second time. I am flying two girls in. One will probably show up. I have no idea why I bring sand to the beach but these girls are smoke shows and I can't get them into the US. So I invite them down. Have each one show up for 2 days. I hit the massage places and I have a pretty bad ass blog. I do well here in the US. I just like the culture down there and its exciting. I am more into the high end girls. I don't really do the value play.

Your post just made me laugh. Maybe I will post a report and a blog on my trip. Last time the over / under was 14 in 3 days. I hit the under at about 10. I spent quality time with a couple girls. I get distracted to easily.

Monday through Thursday last week, there were a few working ladies around the park each night. Friday night, there were many, a majority were heifers but some slim and pretty. Saturday night, the area was packed, and I saw one lady who may have been working. It looked like "guys night out" because there were probably four times as many guys as ladies. The places where the ladies were hanging out Friday night, had all guys Saturday night. Sunday night, it was raining most of the night, so not much activity at all.

I think the police are watching activities in the park itself, because all the ladies I saw were on the streets, either walking or sitting in front of closed businesses. I saw some couples in the park.

I have more FB friends than I can take care of, so I wasn't looking to pick up a chica. I did say Hello, to a few, and they all gave a positive response.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1959622]Monday through Thursday last week, there were a few working ladies around the park each night. Friday night, there were many, a majority were heifers but some slim and pretty. Saturday night, the area was packed, and I saw one lady who may have been working. [/QUOTE]Just a quick question. Did you assume they were working girls because they were sitting around in groups of women and being friendly or were they very obviously working girls (scantly dressed)?

I'm going to be there next week, and will be 5 minutes away from the park.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1959689]Just a quick question. Did you assume they were working girls because they were sitting around in groups of women and being friendly or were they very obviously working girls (scantly dressed)?

I'm going to be there next week, and will be 5 minutes away from the park.[/QUOTE]They are very easy to spot, and will make eye contact with you. Many of them didn't dress scantly partially due to the weather at night, but they will make sure that you notice them.

I was having dinner alone at the balcony of a restaurant right next to the Park, and it was raining. 3 moderately dressed working girls passed by, and one of them even flip up her top to show me her tits. I was quite amused with the scene over there around the Park.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1959622]It looked like "guys night out" because there were probably four times as many guys as ladies. The places where the ladies were hanging out Friday night, had all guys Saturday night. Sunday night, it was raining most of the night, so not much activity at all.[/QUOTE]You hit that on the head. It's absolutely astounding. I'd heard so many good things about Medellin and all the Colombian girls from the states I've met have been beautiful that I assumed they'd be running rampant. I've been to the Parque about four nights since arriving in Medellin and there are very few females, period and no attractive ones who aren't working as bar / restaurant staff. There's so many men (thousands) that I can't even give a m / f percentage estimate, it's that far out of whack. However, this is not to say I haven't been having a great time as I met a hot, sweet babe at the go-to gringo place (Prefer not to mention, you all know it) who kept me busy for couple days. Now I need to go out and look for greener pastures. Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1948628]If you do not stay at the Mansion in Medellin, you do not get in. Period. End of story.[/QUOTE]You may wish to check on that as I just spoke with the desk attendant yesterday and they've recently changed their policy to allow guests with a cover charge. There may have been some strings attached as far as past residence or full bookings.

[QUOTE=Buffed;1959764]You hit that on the head. It's absolutely astounding. I'd heard so many good things about Medellin and all the Colombian girls from the states I've met have been beautiful that I assumed they'd be running rampant. I've been to the Parque about four nights since arriving in Medellin and there are very few females, period and no attractive ones who aren't working as bar / restaurant staff. There's so many men (thousands) that I can't even give a m / f percentage estimate, it's that far out of whack. However, this is not to say I haven't been having a great time as I met a hot, sweet babe at the go-to gringo place (Prefer not to mention, you all know it) who kept me busy for couple days. Now I need to go out and look for greener pastures. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Yeah. Try looking for women in a brothel! That's why you go to Colombia. Its been pointed out here repeatedly that the short-term visitor is not in a good position to pick up local girls. Just because you have seen some Colombian girls that are hot, doesn't mean they are hot and total sluts, right? Who ever told you that you could pick up hot chicks just walking through a park?

BTW, I never made it down to the "parque", or Poblado for that matter, so I didn't have your problem. I stayed on La 70, strolled to Energia, or took the Metro into Centro and visited the Casas there. Only had to take two cab rides, and that was because I was lost. Adjust your expectations realistically and you should have a great time. Away from the places where the Gringos gather.

[QUOTE=Buffed;1959773]You may wish to check on that as I just spoke with the desk attendant yesterday and they've recently changed their policy to allow guests with a cover charge. There may have been some strings attached as far as past residence or full bookings.[/QUOTE]They've done the cover thing on and off. I'm not sure if you need to have stayed there previously or not. I think it was 50 k last time I was in town.

IMO it's not worth it. There's a significant risk that there will be only a couple homely girls hanging around.

[QUOTE=Buffed;1959764] Now I need to go out and look for greener pastures. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]From what I gathered from this thread, going back 100 pages, is that Medellin is largely a casa / strip club scene. I don't think I have read any reports of people actually picking up chicas in the parque lleras area. There was one post a page or two back which indicates the hookers in the parque lleras area are by the liquor store. I'm assuming that's the Exito Express but it may be another store. You can also try websites like [URL]http://co.mileroticos.com/[/URL].

I've yet to see any suggestions on pick up bars like the Veneto / Habanos circuit in Panama City where after about 7:30 pm prepago pussy starts flooding the area (see Panama City thread).

I'm assuming by greener pastures you mean other areas in Colombia? Cartagena seems to have a similar circuit as Panama City with day game at the beach or through tinder (see Combos recent posts), and the clock tower + LDV scene in the old city at night. I've also found a large amount of prepagos on tinder in Cartagena. In Medellin I only landed 3 prepagos through tinder.

In any case, next week I'm spending seven nights in Medellin and four nights in Cartagena. I almost wish I booked Cartagena for more nights now. I'll post a report when I get back.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1959819]From what I gathered from this thread, going back 100 pages, is that Medellin is largely a casa / strip club scene.[/QUOTE]I am a casa strip club guy, but a buddy of mine gets all of his from facebook.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1959819]From what I gathered from this thread, going back 100 pages, is that Medellin is largely a casa / strip club scene.[/QUOTE]What you get from this thread is the perspective on Medellin by those who post here (who mostly belong to a well narrow category). It is not necessarily a balanced view, neither complete, of the place. You might see a bit more if you go back 100 pages on the RoD Section, but anyway take your time to roam around and do not overplan. You have just one dick anyway. There's more than enough to keep you busy for a few days.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1959819]From what I gathered from this thread, going back 100 pages, is that Medellin is largely a casa / strip club scene. [/QUOTE]My own experience is that there are a lot more 'scenes' in Medellin than can be counted on one hand. Cracking them is the challenge. Some seem limited as they are considered too expensive or too dangerous for most people. The casas are the easiest but you can waste a lot of time joining up dots on a map. Mansion gives a quick intro, even for experienced punters. But other guides that are here today are often gone tomorrow. I wasn't impressed with the strip club scene personally but you have to find your own predilections. A week is not much time to do it. Medellin is an amazing place but not an open book like say Rio. Relax and have fun. After dipping your toes, you'll probably find it's a city to return.

Than.

[QUOTE=Jan156;1959991]My own experience is that there are a lot more 'scenes' in Medellin than can be counted on one hand. Cracking them is the challenge. Some seem limited as they are considered too expensive or too dangerous for most people. The casas are the easiest but you can waste a lot of time joining up dots on a map. Mansion gives a quick intro, even for experienced punters. But other guides that are here today are often gone tomorrow. I wasn't impressed with the strip club scene personally but you have to find your own predilections. A week is not much time to do it. Medellin is an amazing place but not an open book like say Rio. Relax and have fun. After dipping your toes, you'll probably find it's a city to return.
[/QUOTE]Exactly. A perfect depiction.

P.S.
"The casas are the easiest but you can waste a lot of time joining up dots on a map"? You also have just one dick and limited capacity. Once you enter in one, it's difficult you are so disgusted to be willing to leave. Then how many dots will you join, realistically? Is the walking distance your limiting factor? Congratulations, if so.

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;1959737]They are very easy to spot, and will make eye contact with you. Many of them didn't dress scantly partially due to the weather at night, but they will make sure that you notice them..[/QUOTE]Most of them hang around the downhill portion of the park where the Cuban eating place is on the corner and are easy to spot.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1960416]Most of them hang around the downhill portion of the park where the Cuban eating place is on the corner and are easy to spot.[/QUOTE]Seriously, do you think that a member of ISG should really need specific instructions and advice on how to recognize if a girl standing in a corner is a working girl or not?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1960453]Seriously, do you think that a member of ISG should really need specific instructions and advice on how to recognize if a girl standing in a corner is a working girl or not?[/QUOTE]Should? No.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1960453]Seriously, do you think that a member of ISG should really need specific instructions and advice on how to recognize if a girl standing in a corner is a working girl or not?[/QUOTE]That's not what surfer posted. He posted where they are located. Something that's useful.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1960466]That's not what surfer posted. He posted where they are located. Something that's useful.[/QUOTE]To be clear: it was not a criticism to Surfer, but a comment on a series of posts which is frankly surprising.

Helen Keller could tell who the hookers are in Parque Lleras.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1960535]Helen Keller could tell who the hookers are in Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]But you have to remember that some people couldn't spot a hooker in a horehouse. Some of my own friends send casa chicks money. I just shrug my shoulders.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1960453]Seriously, do you think that a member of ISG should really need specific instructions and advice on how to recognize if a girl standing in a corner is a working girl or not?[/QUOTE]Should and would are two different things. Many ISG members have asked me, while they had boots on the ground, for help getting laid in Pattaya; a town where all you have to do is literally walk outside your hotel door to get some ass.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1960582]Should and would are two different things. Many ISG members have asked me, while they had boots on the ground, for help getting laid in Pattaya; a town where all you have to do is literally walk outside your hotel door to get some ass.[/QUOTE]Good stuff! On a visit to the Mansion years ago, a guest was walking around asking how we "got" the girls there. I tried to encourage him to interact with the chicas, but he was too timid to even approach one!

[QUOTE=Combo;1960593]Good stuff! On a visit to the Mansion years ago, a guest was walking around asking how we "got" the girls there. I tried to encourage him to interact with the chicas, but he was too timid to even approach one![/QUOTE]Greetings,

Planning a trip to MDE the second and third week of December. When does MDE and Hotel M start to spin down and go quiet for the Christmas holidays?

Considering a few days at Hotel M and the balance of my time on Ave Setenta.

Thank you,

I totally agree.

I live in Medellin. Many things change from day to day, some things have been the same for years.

Personally, I tend to stick to what I know is good and take new routes home and to work every chance I get to see what's new.

For honest respectful guys seeking to fill their visit with pleasurable and exciting experiences, highly value their time as not to waste a moment with painful "learning experiences" yet, know what they want, I personally offer my time, experience, knowledge and suggestions.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1959967]What you get from this thread is the perspective on Medellin by those who post here (who mostly belong to a well narrow category). It is not necessarily a balanced view, neither complete, of the place. You might see a bit more if you go back 100 pages on the RoD Section, but anyway take your time to roam around and do not overplan. You have just one dick anyway. There's more than enough to keep you busy for a few days.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;1960593]Good stuff! On a visit to the Mansion years ago, a guest was walking around asking how we "got" the girls there. I tried to encourage him to interact with the chicas, but he was too timid to even approach one![/QUOTE]Maybe he found the hotel on booking dot com and chose it by chance for his business trip to Medellin.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1959819]From what I gathered from this thread, going back 100 pages, is that Medellin is largely a casa / strip club scene. I don't think I have read any reports of people actually picking up chicas in the parque lleras area. There was one post a page or two back which indicates the hookers in the parque lleras area are by the liquor store. I'm assuming that's the Exito Express but it may be another store. You can also try websites like [URL]http://co.mileroticos.com/[/URL].

I've yet to see any suggestions on pick up bars like the Veneto / Habanos circuit in Panama City where after about 7:30 pm prepago pussy starts flooding the area (see Panama City thread).

I'm assuming by greener pastures you mean other areas in Colombia? Cartagena seems to have a similar circuit as Panama City with day game at the beach or through tinder (see Combos recent posts), and the clock tower + LDV scene in the old city at night. I've also found a large amount of prepagos on tinder in Cartagena. In Medellin I only landed 3 prepagos through tinder.

In any case, next week I'm spending seven nights in Medellin and four nights in Cartagena. I almost wish I booked Cartagena for more nights now. I'll post a report when I get back.[/QUOTE]There is no freelance scene in Medellin. Many have tried and failed. IMO, the biggest advantage of Medellin is the Facebook scene. There are more independents through there than any other city I have even been to!

[QUOTE=Buffed;1959773]You may wish to check on that as I just spoke with the desk attendant yesterday and they've recently changed their policy to allow guests with a cover charge. There may have been some strings attached as far as past residence or full bookings.[/QUOTE]Absolutely true & its been this way for at least 8 months. 50 k pesos is the cover charge. Its hit or miss with when to show up and the quality that would be there. Fase 2 is like a 10 or 20 k cover and definitely going to be a variety of women there.

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1960868]There is no freelance scene in Medellin. Many have tried and failed. IMO, the biggest advantage of Medellin is the Facebook scene. There are more independents through there than any other city I have even been to![/QUOTE]I can't create a second fake facebook account just to hook up like this unfortunately. I noticed on Tinder the prepagos in Medellin wanted to do facebook but I agreed to just WhatsApp.

So with my trip next week, all my prep work is done.

* I have 2 non-pros who said they'd meet up for coffee during the day and help me orient myself around the city.

* I have 4 numbers of mileroticos but only two of the providers will come out to El Poblado so I'll be going to Laureles to see the other two in their apartments.

* I have one woman, who I'm almost 100% sure is a professional bimbo, I met on tinder and she wants to show me around the city. She keeps mentioning gifts that I should buy her so I'm a little leary.

* Finally I mapped out a little circuit of Centro casas from World Traveler's list / map.

I've done no prep work for Cartagena. Based on Combos most recent report it's not remotely needed. Just Beach, Clocktower and LDV should give me enough opportunities.

Thanks everyone for answering questions the last two weeks.

[QUOTE=Cheerfull;1960666]Greetings,

Planning a trip to MDE the second and third week of December. When does MDE and Hotel M start to spin down and go quiet for the Christmas holidays?

Considering a few days at Hotel M and the balance of my time on Ave Setenta.

Thank you,[/QUOTE]I've never been in MDE beyond about December 20. But I'm guessing our hobby is pretty good right up until Christmas Eve.

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1960868]There is no freelance scene in Medellin. Many have tried and failed. IMO, the biggest advantage of Medellin is the Facebook scene. There are more independents through there than any other city I have even been to![/QUOTE]Funny. My buddy goes to that club in Parque Lleras to pick up freelancers all the time. I do not know the name of it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1960916]Funny. My buddy goes to that club in Parque Lleras to pick up freelancers all the time. I do not know the name of it.[/QUOTE]Not to mention the scene in El Centro where 20,000 Pesos is the going rate for a street girl and no more than 10,000 pesos for a short time room. Was there yesterday and pulled one. With an exchange rate of over 3,000 pesos to the USD I spent a whopping $ 10 US. Lots of hidden gems there but also not for everybody.

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1960868]There is no freelance scene in Medellin. Many have tried and failed. IMO, the biggest advantage of Medellin is the Facebook scene. There are more independents through there than any other city I have even been to![/QUOTE]Freelancers, shit there's dozens of them walking around Parque Berrio and the Museum where all the statues are.

This was a few weeks ago.

Didn't get a chance to go to any clubs / casas, had plenty of options near Parque Lleras.

First night found a paisa at Parque Lleras, got toda la noche for 400 k brought her back to the hostel, was able to go 3 times. Face 7, body 8, attitude 10. Should have got her to come over all 3 nights.

Second night, I wanted a legit 10 so I hit up Jorge from Colombiapure. Talked him down to 900 k for 7 hours for a chick with bolt ONS and even a plastic ass which I didn't know at the time. When she got there I wasn't really blown away. Not very GFE, she wasn't into it, I cut her loose before the 7 hours. Not Jorge's fault but this one was a dud. I know I overpaid but I was on quest for a legit 10.

Third night, got Maria to come over for 3 hours for 350 k, got her to include BBBJ for the price. She was willing to do everything I wanted, would recommend just not my type.

[URL]http://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/deliciosa-paula-sanclemente-esta-disponible-para-ti-llamame-3206170093/6932181/[/URL]

Can't wait to make the permanent move to Medellin.

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1960868]There is no freelance scene in Medellin. Many have tried and failed. IMO, the biggest advantage of Medellin is the Facebook scene. There are more independents through there than any other city I have even been to![/QUOTE]I was walking around Parque Lleras two times yesterday. I always have to see the girls at Hooters at least once per trip. At night I seen plenty of women, but they walk around the park in circles or walk around the area. I think you need to be aggressive with them though. I walked by them and they didn't try to start a conversation. But the were more slutty than the average hottie walking around Parque Lleras. I treated a long time lady friend to dinner at Basilica, even though she got pregnant about 6 months ago.

We seen a couple groups of women just walk and walk and walk and you see them many times. I walked by one of the groups earlier but they didn't say anything. But my lady friend came later and scoffed at them. I asked are those hookers, and in her opinion they were. I also seen a damn transgender hanging out at the park. I actually videoed the area with my phone also. Now as far as freelance seen. It is quite a lousy place, unless you would consider the Mayorista Area as freelancers. Or maybe you want to call them street walkers, not freelancers. Then you got all those girls in the San Diego area and Centro area. I don't mess with those girls though.

[QUOTE=Buffed;1959764]You hit that on the head. It's absolutely astounding. I'd heard so many good things about Medellin and all the Colombian girls from the states I've met have been beautiful that I assumed they'd be running rampant. I've been to the Parque about four nights since arriving in Medellin and there are very few females, period and no attractive ones who aren't working as bar / restaurant staff. There's so many men (thousands) that I can't even give a m / f percentage estimate, it's that far out of whack. However, this is not to say I haven't been having a great time as I met a hot, sweet babe at the go-to gringo place (Prefer not to mention, you all know it) who kept me busy for couple days. Now I need to go out and look for greener pastures. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Earlier this year they made it illegal to drink alcohol in the park. There used to be many people hanging out at night drinking in the park. Now there are lots of police there and you can't drink in the park. Yesterday I seen the cops would let people drink on the sidewalk directly in front of those stores. And cops were standing right there to make sure they didn't leave the area. And yesterday they had signs up in the park that basically said don't play loud music as to disturb others. They also had the park cleaned up very well. It used to need a lot of attention. I was also there in July. This time around in November something new is they even artistically painted the streets that they block-off to the cars. They also did weird huge painting scheme with the sidewalk steps in the park. It's not the same Parque Lleras as before. But there are still working ladies walking around. I will have a look tonight (Friday). Friday is usually super packed in the area. And I think UFC 205 is on Saturday, so Hooters is probably where I will be for that. Look up a Youtube Sexy Women Parque Lleras. You will see people drinking in the park and lots of people. It's not like that anymore.

[QUOTE=ZepFan;1951155]Girls that advertise as "Pre Pagos," want the money before services rendered?

Pargue Lleras sounds like a fun place to hang.

Not mentioned at all hear, maybe forum rules. But I hear you will be approached a lot for 420 / skiing supplies on the street. True?

I usually wear a western sombrero. Do many guys wear cowboy hats in MDE as they do throughout Mex. & Guat? Might leave it at home as I don't want to be the 6'2" we do that sticks out like a sore thumb.

Or could I be noticed in a good way?

Advantages to changing currency $1000. Usd over using ATM daily? I got a Schwab card.

Any guys use Mileroticos to call in girls or get taxi to girls incall?

Hotel Medellin Plaza. Casa Blanca. Mansion all one and the same?

Thanks, I've searched the shit out of this forum and can't find these answers. Couple weeks and I'm there![/QUOTE]I just used my Schwab card here in Medellin twice yesterday. The first time I took out 600,000 pesos, the max that ATM let me have. I was charged about $195. I used it again about 2 hours later after dinner, but before going back to my rental place. I was charged $201. They must be pretty active with changing the rates with FX. The $195 for 600,000 pesos is really good. I was in Bogota a few days ago and there is an area of a lot of cambio places next to each other. I went in each of them, and they all had the same rate, so I gave up and exchanged some money for 2,780 pesos per dollar. I couldn't use my Schwab card at the time.

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1960868]There is no freelance scene in Medellin. Many have tried and failed. IMO, the biggest advantage of Medellin is the Facebook scene. There are more independents through there than any other city I have even been to![/QUOTE]How do you go about acquiring the girls Facebook info. Do you guys just find one girl and add all of her friends? I's Facebook better than Tinder or Tagged?

I'm preparing for my first trip. Trying to get all the info I can.

[QUOTE=Gagoo;1961024]I just used my Schwab card here in Medellin twice yesterday. The first time I took out 600,000 pesos, the max that ATM let me have. I was charged about $195. I used it again about 2 hours later after dinner, but before going back to my rental place. I was charged $201. They must be pretty active with changing the rates with FX. The $195 for 600,000 pesos is really good. I was in Bogota a few days ago and there is an area of a lot of cambio places next to each other. I went in each of them, and they all had the same rate, so I gave up and exchanged some money for 2,780 pesos per dollar. I couldn't use my Schwab card at the time.[/QUOTE]Here is what I have found. The ATM rate is tied to the previous day's exchange rate. I don't know the time the banks make the changeover, but I am fairly sure it is after 6 pm. I see the date on your post, but I think you did those withdrawals on Wednesday. After the election, the dollar fell to 2954, I think. The next day (Thursday) it was back over 3000, and today it is over 3100. I made two withdrawals Wednesday at Bank of Colombia and received 3069 to $1. I stayed away from the ATM's yesterday, knowing the rate I would receive. I am leaving tomorrow morning, and I have more than enough pesos to get me through tonight and the trip to the airport. But, unless the rate goes up tonight in favor of the dollar, I will probably withdraw more at the airport. I will take my chances that 3100 to the $1 is a very good rate.

In my experience with both Schwab and E Trade it is best to avoid making withdrawals from the time the currency market closes on Friday to when it opens on Monday, if possible. But, I don't know why that is. I suspect that the lower trading volume widens the spread.

[QUOTE=KillaCam11;1960973]This was a few weeks ago.

Didn't get a chance to go to any clubs / casas, had plenty of options near Parque Lleras.

First night found a paisa at Parque Lleras, got toda la noche for 400 k brought her back to the hostel, was able to go 3 times. Face 7, body 8, attitude 10. Should have got her to come over all 3 nights.

Second night, I wanted a legit 10 so I hit up Jorge from Colombiapure. Talked him down to 900 k for 7 hours for a chick with bolt ONS and even a plastic ass which I didn't know at the time. When she got there I wasn't really blown away. Not very GFE, she wasn't into it, I cut her loose before the 7 hours. Not Jorge's fault but this one was a dud. I know I overpaid but I was on quest for a legit 10.

Third night, got Maria to come over for 3 hours for 350 k, got her to include BBBJ for the price. She was willing to do everything I wanted, would recommend just not my type.

[URL]http://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/deliciosa-paula-sanclemente-esta-disponible-para-ti-llamame-3206170093/6932181/[/URL]

Can't wait to make the permanent move to Medellin.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the up-to-date info. Leaving tonight to spend one week in MDE so this is really helpful and knowing what you paid to give me some frame of reference. Also will need to check out mileroticos. Are most of the girls on their legit -- real pictures, etc?

[QUOTE=Buffed;1959764] I'd heard so many good things about Medellin and all the Colombian girls from the states I've met have been beautiful that I assumed they'd be running rampant. I've been to the Parque about four nights since arriving in Medellin and there are very few females, period and no attractive ones who aren't working as bar / restaurant staff. There's so many men (thousands) that I can't even give a m / f percentage estimate, it's that far out of whack. Now I need to go out and look for greener pastures. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Say Sayonara.

Guys why are you paying so much?

[QUOTE=JoelGoodSon;1961461]Thanks for the up-to-date info. Leaving tonight to spend one week in MDE so this is really helpful and knowing what you paid to give me some frame of reference. Also will need to check out mileroticos. Are most of the girls on their legit -- real pictures, etc?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JoelGoodSon;1961461]Thanks for the up-to-date info. Leaving tonight to spend one week in MDE so this is really helpful and knowing what you paid to give me some frame of reference. Also will need to check out mileroticos. Are most of the girls on their legit -- real pictures, etc?[/QUOTE]What you really need to do is RTFF (read the fucking forum) What he did in his report is not what an experienced person here does. Read the pages back until the beginning of this year and learn some more. There is no need to pay that much. When you order something on the internet or phone you have no idea what is going to show up. As far as looks, you can easily find a 9 in the popular places. The strip club called Fase II always has at least a few very hot women. And the price for an hour is less than 200,000. You can see what they look like first.

I think too many beginners here are too afraid to travel away from there hotel or something. I can kind of understand that, but you can surely find someone to show you around if you offer to pay for drinks and the taxi. Too many guys go to places like the Mansion and don't leave the damn place.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;1961607]Guys why are you paying so much?[/QUOTE]He seems to be afraid to get in a taxi and go somewhere out of his comfort zone. Ordering on the internet of phone isn't the way to do things here. No need to order on the internet when there are supermarkets of ladies here. As far as the over night from a lady met in Parque Lleras for 400 K and 3 fucks that does seem to be fair. And 350 K from an internet girl for 3 hours seems to be about right also. The 900 K is ridiculous. Some basic decent places such as Abydos or Energy will give you 1 hour in a decent room with a good looking girl for 140-150 K. You can pay less for a girl at places downtown such as New Life. But I don't really like that place. A good looking girl from strip clubs Fase II or San Diego cost less than 200 K. Fase II can often times have many 8's, 9's and maybe a 10 or two.

First of all, Thai Spa looks to be closed. I went there in July and it was a nice place. Their website is down and I stopped by today and it is closed for sure. The building had a for rent sign on it. The places next to it are houses, so maybe the home owners didn't like the idea of a brothel next to them.

Massage place (brothel) Abydos, Avenida 33 # 64-198. Open Monday through Saturday. Closes about 9 PM. The price charged was 140 K for an hour. Normally you will be shown about 5-8 girls. I was kind of late and was only shown 3 girls. They were all fuckable. I chose a girl I fucked about a year ago. A girl named Julieta. The service at Abydos seems to be CBJ and no kissing as standard. I did have a pretty good time though. If you are there in the evening you will be almost across the street from a strip club called Luna Lanera. You can go have a look in there also. I went in Luna Lanera quite a few times, and honestly I am usually the only gringo there.

Massage Place (brothel) Energy. Carrera 74 # 49-101. I was there yesterday. I was also a little late there. I showed up at 8:30 PM, they close at 9:30 PM. The moma asked me to to pay first, which isn't normal, but it was probably because we were going to finish at closing time. I gave the moma 150 K and never got change back. The price use to be 140 K. Maybe it went up to 150 K. I was shown a very nice choice of women. I was shown about 9 ladies one at a time. As normal I had a hard time remembering the names. I'd fuck at least 75% of them. If you are looking for black girls, they had 2 of them. One was sweet looking and voluptuous. The other one was tall and thin and looked like she came from somewhere else. She wasn't good looking. Looks like she was a Somalian or something. I haven't seen her type in Colombia before. Some girls are small body types and some are the standard Colombian lady body types and a couple with fake body parts. I chose a girl named Vanessa. She looked to be a natural wholesome kind of young lady. She has only been working there for a week, or so she says. She has a nice 100% natural body. She has [NOPARSE]C or D [/NOPARSE]cup tits also. She didn't even have hair extensions like many ladies.

She was new there and only 22 YO, but she didn't seem to lack any experience though. She gave a short massage which seems to be standard there, then she gave an aggressive CBJ for about 15 minutes nonstop. She puts on a nice show and was friendly. Then she asked me a weird question. She asked me if I wanted penetration. Well, duh! Of course. So she got on top and fucked me pretty good. I didn't see a need to ever change positions. She looks good and her titties were flopping and jiggling around. I love watching natural titties bouncing around when fucking. She had her titties doing circles also. She eventually started giving me some good kissing. Then more fucking, and some kissing and fucking. When I decided I would go ahead and cum I asked her to start kissing me again, then she oddly said kissing for tips. She can speak some English words. She was already kissing before, why ask me for tips for kissing when I was about to cum? Anyways, she was friendly. She asked me if I wanted some more massage. I said OK. Then she heard a song she likes and started doing a sexy dance show, but no massage. I wouldn't mind seeing her again, but I'd ask for a bare BJ and I would try some more positions with her. I got her number just in case. She is another one of those Bello girls. I've had some girls in Energy give BBBJ. But as the years go on, it seems to be more and more usage of condoms for blow jobs.

[QUOTE=Kmac22;1961066]How do you go about acquiring the girls Facebook info. Do you guys just find one girl and add all of her friends? I's Facebook better than Tinder or Tagged?

I'm preparing for my first trip. Trying to get all the info I can.[/QUOTE]Colombian girls are into social media, facebook, instagram. Tons of hot girls, but hard to get hold off. You can add them all on facebook, instagram, go thru their friendslist, likes.

For the right price, you can get indy. Random chicks, theres so many on fb.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/Lina.herrera.Palacio[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/linamarcela.herrerapalacio.5[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008644806974[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008644806974[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/mariela.pineda.1422?ref=br_rs[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/tania.tyemoon[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/mariana.rios.7758235[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/danielaandrea.gumanalzate?fref=ts[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/yohana.guzman.3914?fref=ts[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008141322018[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/vanessa.velasquez.7370[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1557133992[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/valentina.acostap[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/cherexita?ref=br_rs[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/laura.paladines.75?ref=br_rs[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/tania.marin.792[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/cris.londono.1[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/viviana.balvin.7[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/lina.betancur.16[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/luna.beta.1[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/marchelita.grajales[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/vane.vargas.16[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/nicolemodel2[/URL]

Whatsapp chicks from miloerotica.

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1961738]Colombian girls are into social media, facebook, instagram. Tons of hot girls, but hard to get hold off. You can add them all on facebook, instagram, go thru their friendslist, likes.

For the right price, you can get indy. Random chicks, theres so many on fb.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/Lina.herrera.Palacio[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/linamarcela.herrerapalacio.5[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008644806974[/URL]...[/QUOTE]Wow, thanks. I'm assuming most of these girls are up for P4P, the ones with the sexually suggestive pictures are obvious but I'm not always sure with social media especially Instagram.

[QUOTE=Kmac22;1961957]Wow, thanks. I'm assuming most of these girls are up for P4P, the ones with the sexually suggestive pictures are obvious but I'm not always sure with social media especially Instagram.[/QUOTE]These seem like typical Social Media hotties that have no interest in "Hooking Up". I did like one of the profiles though, and I tried to add her as a friend, but she has too many friend requests. Most of these appear to not be working ladies. You can see women like this in the US with many followers and the maximum number of friends, and they don't care to reply or acknowledge you. Just because the 'internet" girls are not in the US doesn't mean they are hookers. But it wouldn't hurt to have a try. I've made Facebook friends with dozens of hookers that I fucked. And they are actually more conservative and normal on their Facebook accounts. I don't think they want their family and friends to see that crap. Some do have multiple accounts, but they still don't get too sexy in their pics.

Now if you were in Brazil, a "Working Lady's" Facebook page would often times add a "GP" in their Facebook name. So a Facebook name in Brazil would be something like "Gabriela Silva GP".

Late report, got swamped with work when I came back. First time to MDE, 2 non speaking Asian dudes with google translate ready to go, RTFF, amazing map. Shout out to the one that made the list.

Day 1:

Buddy and I got an apartment near Parque Lleras, quite convenient but expensive, near an exito. No probs getting thru immigration got picked up by our driver. Got to our apartment around 11 pm. Met up with a gringo and some dude on fb that msg me at Parque lleras. Saw "independents" walking around. We decided to head up to La Isla. 5 peeps in a yellow taxi going up a hill, fun times. Got sat near the stage, had to purchase a bottle, forgot the name but it was nasty. Lots of hotties around but I did not pull. Buddy pulled a nice skinny with a cute butt, IRC her name was Jenny. Talks perfect english. Damage was 350 k, service was good. I got her whatsapp #. Went back to the apartment around 3 am.

Day 2:

Met up with a local tour guide he's a cool dude. We ate at a street corner, had that cheese on a toasted flat bread with mango juice. Tour guide will ask what you do, to get a better understanding of what you want to do and tailor out the day. Cool dude in my book. Afterwards we went up the mountain to run off it (skygliding). It was a very good exp, I would do it again. Afterwards we went to Energy. I believe it was around 1 pm there were 10 girls that were wearing costumes. I picked this angel, forget her name. Performance was amazing, massage was OK. I like the set-up they have and you can pay with a CC LOL. Went back to the apartment to freshen up and later on we went to dinner at san carbon. Afterwards we went to a seedy little strip club called "Apotcosis?" Something like that. Reminded me of a strip club in Mindanao, very seedy LOL. I pulled this tall one with curly hair, name escapes me. Damage was 200 k. Rooms were small, red paint, small ass shower, rock hard bed. Perfect. We danced to the reggaeton music then proceeded to do the nasty. Performance was 6/10, attitude was 8/10. My buddy pulled 2. He didn't like the first one, complained and got a discount for the 2nd one LOL. Back to the apartment.

Day 3:

Tour guide picked us up a little later than usual, long night LOL. We ate at El Rancherito for bfast. Loved the hot cocoa with leche, lactose intolerant but yolo. Did the tourist thing again and went to metrocables. Amazing city, we were talking on how our native country (PI) missed its chance to be like this. Afterwards we went to a diff casa, forgot the name sorry. Only 3 girls working. We didn't care, I pulled this one with fake everything. Talks ok english, from Venezuela. Performance 6/10, attitude 8/10. My buddy had performance issue to tour guide took us to get some Cialis. Decided we need to get some cohibas (most I've ever spent on this trip). We went to this restaurant to smoke and talk about life. Went back to Energy and only 4 girls there. Picked a curvier girl and got the "steam room" Holy hell shit was hot, shower was complicated, mirror on top of the bed full of water / steam. Performance 8/10 attitude 8/10, I couldn't shoot the gun, excuses were tired, dehydrated, getting old. Buddy pulled a short one with abs and does squats, he said perfect and got her WhatsApp, name is Camilla. Afterwards we went to the apartment to freshen up and walked to Parque Lleras. Amazed at the Halloween scene, we found a good place to sit and people watch.

Day 4:

Sunday, day of rest LOL. Ate at a small restaurant near the apartment and talked about how lucky we are in this trip. Friend whatsapp the girl Camilla to come over the apartment, I was kinda paranoid about bringing girls over, she met us at a restaurant near our place. She text her friend to come, so I wouldn't be alone. Three of us were in the apartment, she had a very good attitude, google translate mvp. Of course we took precautions, hide everything and watch our drinks. We only had water and plantain chips LOL. Then her friend arrived. Hooly shitt. Short about 5' skinny but with curves, name is Isabella. We hit it off, went to our separate rooms, we did it in the shower, bed, couch, walls LOL. Both stayed for 3-4 hrs, 300 k + taxi. We had grins on our faces, didn't get drugged up, no lame performances. So prior to coming to MDE I was using Seeking Arrangement. Was talking to this girl to meet me up when I was in MDE. Sent her a text to meet up at a restaurant. Buddy and I came, drank beer or two and talking on what's happening with our lives so far, we reached to an agreement that we are getting to be old dirty bastards then came my girl, holy shit she was hot. About 5'7 tight jeans and nice blouse? We hugged and order some food. She's a great talker, english, we stayed there for an hour or two just talking. Then she showed me her google translate (mvp) on what I wanted to do next. I said for a couple of hours, she quoted me 500 k, I'm like hmms. Little bro was like, "dude I want that" so I said sure, where?! Ended up in this IBIS love motel. Shit is amazing, she undressed and start dancing on the pole. Perfect body, nicely done man made boobs, girl squats and it shows. We stayed for 4 hours, more than it was agreed, but she had fun and price stayed the same. So Seeking Arrangement worked, tinder is shit in my opinion. Buddy called Camilla while I was with SA girl for overnight. I came home around 5 ish. Gringos still smoking outside hostel.

Day 5:

Last day. 2 hrs or so sleep, Buddy hailed a taxi for his overnight girl. Tourist stuff continued. Tour guide took us to Guatape, 740 steps, not so bad, just rest. Had a couple beers and photos for FB purposes. Went to this town with the white church, did some shopping. Lots of tourist, but good exp. We stopped by a restaurant, had a whole red snapper. We went down to mountain to Leutron, it was night time on Halloween day. Place itself was great, only 4 girls, I picked this tall dark one with see cups and curly hair. We proceeded to this room, and it was ehhhhhh just like the service. Performance was the worst I've gotten, but she did give me a good massage. Little bro was very disappointed and held off. After the hour met up with my friend and he said worst service by far. Back to the apartment, said goodby to our tour guide, awesome dude. Friend was leaving at 2 am and I was leaving at 6 am. We got our girls to come over. Friend left first, girl went with him to the airport, LOL uh oh. Told him we coming back. Had an excellent, multiple sessions with Isabella, little bro thanks cialis. At 530 am walked her to looked for a taxi, lots of backpackers still about smoking and looking at us kissing and groping. 6 am, driver pulled up and off to the airport. After immigration, cop asked me where I stayed, for what, how many days, how many bags I had, same thing before I went in the airplane. Then off I went.

Notes:

Yes I made a fb account, didn't pull from them. Used tinder, no me gusta. Used seeking arrangement, worked out very well, possible luck. Tour guide was Willi, awesome dude, 10/10. Not a lot of casas visited, same with strip clubs, and SW scene not seen. Will I go back? In a heartbeat. Spanish needed? Maybe. Any questions, hit me up.

Today is yet another Holiday. Independence of Cartagena. A Energy girl says her work is closed. Can other confirm other working venues will be closed? Looks like I might have to go through my old list. But three of them are pregnant now and others are out of the area!

[QUOTE=CarneNorte;1962113]Late report, got swamped with work when I came back. First time to MDE, 2 non speaking Asian dudes with google translate ready to go, RTFF, amazing map. Shout out to the one that made the list.

Day 1:

Buddy and I got an apartment near Parque Lleras, quite convenient but expensive, near an exito. No probs getting thru immigration got picked up by our driver. Got to our apartment around 11 pm. Met up with a gringo and some dude on fb that msg me at Parque lleras. Saw "independents" walking around. We decided to head up to La Isla. 5 peeps in a yellow taxi going up a hill, fun times. Got sat near the stage, had to purchase a bottle, forgot the name but it was nasty. Lots of hotties around but I did not pull. Buddy pulled a nice skinny with a cute butt, IRC her name was Jenny. Talks perfect english. Damage was 350 k, service was good. I got her whatsapp #. Went back to the apartment around 3 am....[/QUOTE]Great report, I go tomorrow fly in from London. My first time in Colombia. I should try SA again.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=CarneNorte;1962113]Late report, got swamped with work when I came back. First time to MDE, 2 non speaking Asian dudes with google translate ready to go, RTFF, amazing map. Shout out to the one that made the list.

Day 1:

Buddy and I got an apartment near Parque Lleras, quite convenient but expensive, near an exito. No probs getting thru immigration got picked up by our driver. Got to our apartment around 11 pm. Met up with a gringo and some dude on fb that msg me at Parque lleras. Saw "independents" walking around. We decided to head up to La Isla. 5 peeps in a yellow taxi going up a hill, fun times. Got sat near the stage, had to purchase a bottle, forgot the name but it was nasty. Lots of hotties around but I did not pull. Buddy pulled a nice skinny with a cute butt, IRC her name was Jenny. Talks perfect english. Damage was 350 k, service was good. I got her whatsapp #. Went back to the apartment around 3 am...[/QUOTE]Glad you had fun!

A couple of things about prices. You got ripped off at Opotiosis. You shouldn't be paying girls more than 60-70 k at that shithole! For independents, you should be paying 150 k + taxi or 200 k including taxi for ST. If they complain about more than one hour, tack on another 50 k. Anyways, take it as the cost of learning FB is the best though. It is a must do next time.

Pregnant is cool!

[QUOTE=Gagoo;1962361]Today is yet another Holiday. Independence of Cartagena. A Energy girl says her work is closed. Can other confirm other working venues will be closed? Looks like I might have to go through my old list. But three of them are pregnant now and others are out of the area![/QUOTE]

Headed back to Medellin for my 2nd trip and can't wait! Arriving this Wed. And staying through Saturday. Will hit the usual spots (La Isla, Fase, Energy) but also wondering if there are any new or trending spots to hit? Also. Would be very much open to meeting up if anyone else is in the area!

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1961738]Colombian girls are into social media, facebook, instagram. Tons of hot girls, but hard to get hold off. You can add them all on facebook, instagram, go thru their friendslist, likes.

For the right price, you can get indy. Random chicks, there's so many on fb.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/Lina.herrera.Palacio[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/linamarcela.herrerapalacio.5[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008644806974[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008644806974[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/mariela.pineda.1422?ref=br_rs[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/tania.tyemoon[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/mariana.rios.7758235[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/danielaandrea.gumanalzate?fref=ts[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/yohana.guzman.3914?fref=ts[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008141322018[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/vanessa.velasquez.7370[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thanks! Some I have on my friends list. Some I don't. Are all those confirmed working?

Gringos should pay attention to the new fees credit cards are being charged from the biggest processor in Colombia, CrediBanco. On two big purchases today (different businesses) they tried to charge 3. 5% transaction fee each time, without asking if I'd like to proceed like an ATM would. Only the grocery stores in my daily activities living here still do not charge this fee, but restaurants, businesses, etc have changed over recently. It doesn't matter if you opt to pay in pesos or dollars, which they do ask your choice, they take the money automatically.

It is now far better to use your ATM card to withdraw cash and pay that way. Credit cards should not be used unless you like getting clipped. This fee is obviously aimed at gringos as its justified as a currency "commission" so wouldn't affect a colombian credit card from colombian bank. I used to use credit cards for everything here but have slowly been forced to use them less and less, until today where there are now too few places to make it worth carrying around. On one large purchase I told the business to reverse the charge which they did, but remember this is South America and it will be a huge hassle dragging on for a month or two to ever see the money credited to my account. Best not to rely on customer service from the bank or the business.

Bringing foreign curreency and exchanging at a cambio (exchange house) is still the worst option as you get robbed for close to 10%, but the once great option of credit cards is no longer viable as you get smoked for the 3. 5% here in Colombia plus whatever your bank might charge at home. That leaves the ATM to get cash, which is the far superior choice. They offer the best exchange rates, and if you have a card from one of the banks mentioned many times before in this thread, there are no fees to take money out. If you see CrediBanco down the side of the hand held processing machine (purple sides, and front sometimes), put your card back in your pocket!

I sent some money via Moneygram to a friend of mine in Bogota. They gave me 29.5 and change, where as the rate is 3,100 and change. So they make their close to 10% of the rate. Much better if possible to deposit $$ in bank account.

FWIW.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1962762]Gringos should pay attention to the new fees credit cards are being charged from the biggest processor in Colombia, CrediBanco. [/QUOTE]Do the CC machines have a CrediBanco logo on them? I take it you discovered this after the fact? I'm heading to Medellin tomorrow with a few thousand in cash, an ATM card, and my credit cards. I could use the ATM but the limits suck.

[QUOTE]
Bringing foreign curreency and exchanging at a cambio (exchange house) is still the worst option as you get robbed for close to 10%[/QUOTE]Fuck. I thought a cambio would be the best option. I'll see what the cambio in Bogota airport gives. 10% is too much even at the pesos rate today.

EDIT:

Here is the mastercard currency converter: https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/consumers/get-support/convert-currency.html

Even if you crank up the "bank fee" to 6.5 you still end up with 1 USD = 2920.00 COP. (You need to put USD on the right side)

Here is unicambios website: http://www.unicambios.com.co/ And it shows them buying at 2.830

The difference is pretty small so I figure the payment processor is getting away with this because when people sit down and work it out the cambios aren't that much different.

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1962764]I sent some money via Moneygram to a friend of mine in Bogota. They gave me 29.5 and change, where as the rate is 3,100 and change. So they make their close to 10% of the rate. Much better if possible to deposit $$ in bank account.

FWIW.[/QUOTE]Is there an option to send USD instead of converting over to COP? I know on the Western Union website for some countries it is. You may want to check that out. Just let your friend collect the money in USD and change it over themselves.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1962773]Do the CC machines have a CrediBanco logo on them? I take it you discovered this after the fact? I'm heading to Medellin tomorrow with a few thousand in cash, an ATM card, and my credit cards. I could use the ATM but the limits suck.

Fuck. I thought a cambio would be the best option. I'll see what the cambio in Bogota airport gives. 10% is too much even at the pesos rate today.[/QUOTE]Yes, the hand held card processing machines do have Credibanco on the side of them, and sometimes on the front or a purple sticker depending on how old they are. The newest ones are made of purple plastic. Don't count on the person using the machine to know anything of the charges, most have zero concept of credit cards to begin with so its up to you. If you see anything purple, its Credibanco and most processing is done by them in the country so odds are you will see them everywhere.

Other than a few hundred bucks in US dollars to cash to pesos when first land or an emergency, don't bring the cash bc you will regret the rates you receive. The credit limits on ATM cards are too low for some people, but you can use Citibank ATMs as they have the highest withdrawal amounts per transaction at 800,000 vs the 600,000 for BancoColombia. Also, the ATMs are safe in all the big malls.

Forgot to mention that the CrediBanco card processing machine also tried to give me a crap rate at 2980 pesos to the buck vs. The 3097 I received immediately after at the ATM when I cancelled the credit card purchase. Forex rates on my computer at home were trading at 3124, so not terrible at the ATM at all as usual. However, between the 3.5% charge and the lower exchange rate the credit card would cost over 6% to use vs, no fees for ATM card. I've sworn off credit cards now, after using them for everything here the past two years.

Hope it helps, enjoy your visit.

Withdraw COP at ATM with your debit card. Exchange COP to USD at a cambio. Bring back the bought USD cash home and deposit. Keep receipts and declare if above the threshold. Voila. Rinse and repeat. Holding cash is the risk against the profit on the exchanges. Tell me if I were wrong.

Yo Are these fees on top of the foreign transaction.

Fees? Many cards have No foreign transactions.

Fees if you pay annual fees.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1962783]Yes, the hand held card processing machines do have Credibanco on the side of them, and sometimes on the front or a purple sticker depending on how old they are. The newest ones are made of purple plastic. Don't count on the person using the machine to know anything of the charges, most have zero concept of credit cards to begin with so its up to you. If you see anything purple, its Credibanco and most processing is done by them in the country so odds are you will see them everywhere.

Other than a few hundred bucks in US dollars to cash to pesos when first land or an emergency, don't bring the cash bc you will regret the rates you receive. The credit limits on ATM cards are too low for some people, but you can use Citibank ATMs as they have the highest withdrawal amounts per transaction at 800,000 vs the 600,000 for BancoColombia. Also, the ATMs are safe in all the big malls.

Forgot to mention that the CrediBanco card processing machine also tried to give me a crap rate at 2980 pesos to the buck vs. The 3097 I received immediately after at the ATM when I cancelled the credit card purchase. Forex rates on my computer at home were trading at 3124, so not terrible at the ATM at all as usual. However, between the 3.5% charge and the lower exchange rate the credit card would cost over 6% to use vs, no fees for ATM card. I've sworn off credit cards now, after using them for everything here the past two years.

Hope it helps, enjoy your visit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1962773]EDIT:

Here is the mastercard currency converter: https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/consumers/get-support/convert-currency.html

Even if you crank up the "bank fee" to 6.5 you still end up with 1 USD = 2920.00 COP. (You need to put USD on the right side)

Here is unicambios website: http://www.unicambios.com.co/ And it shows them buying at 2.830

The difference is pretty small so I figure the payment processor is getting away with this because when people sit down and work it out the cambios aren't that much different.[/QUOTE]I was in Medellin for 12 days, left last Saturday. The average rate I received from ATM's during my stay was 3043. The day I left, I received 3098. That is getting pretty close to 10% difference between cambios and ATM's. I noticed that Bank of Bogota is now charging a fee for using their ATM's. Even though Schwab will reimburse the fees, I didn't use Bank of Bogota. Bank of Colombia and Davivienda do not charge ATM fees.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1962783]Forgot to mention that the CrediBanco card processing machine also tried to give me a crap rate at 2980 pesos to the buck vs. The 3097 I received immediately after at the ATM when I cancelled the credit card purchase. Forex rates on my computer at home were trading at 3124, so not terrible at the ATM at all as usual. However, between the 3.5% charge and the lower exchange rate the credit card would cost over 6% to use vs, no fees for ATM card. I've sworn off credit cards now, after using them for everything here the past two years.[/QUOTE]This is nothing new. Most cards charge around a 3% foreign transaction fee. If you opt to pay in dollars over the local currency, there is also a conversion fee (at a crappy rate) by the merchant and if you choose no, your card will convert it for you (usually at a better rate). So yes, it can get to around 6%. Bottom line, use a fee free card like a Schwab card.

Never use the Cambio place at any Airport.

ATMs are Okay.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1962773]Do the CC machines have a CrediBanco logo on them? I take it you discovered this after the fact? I'm heading to Medellin tomorrow with a few thousand in cash, an ATM card, and my credit cards. I could use the ATM but the limits suck.

Fuck. I thought a cambio would be the best option. I'll see what the cambio in Bogota airport gives. 10% is too much even at the pesos rate today.

EDIT:

Here is the mastercard currency converter: https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/consumers/get-support/convert-currency.html

Even if you crank up the "bank fee" to 6.5 you still end up with 1 USD = 2920.00 COP. (You need to put USD on the right side)

Here is unicambios website: http://www.unicambios.com.co/ And it shows them buying at 2.830

The difference is pretty small so I figure the payment processor is getting away with this because when people sit down and work it out the cambios aren't that much different.[/QUOTE]

How easy is it to get these girls through social media I. E. Facebook Instagram. I added a few through Instagram but what usual rate for these girls. I know through the forum what one offers won't change the going rate. Just some thoughts to help a fellow monger out.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1962417]Pregnant is cool![/QUOTE]Well, I should have wondered something was up. He boobs wear a little bigger and looked different. But the rest of her body was the same. My 6 month pregnant friend wanted to do something, but I kindly turned her down.

Also, the places like Abydos and Energy were closed on 13 November.

I tried the Milerotecos for my frist time in Colombia, and a good looking girl that seemed to be real was 130 K if you go to her, including just about everything including anal if you like, o 30 K extra for BBBJ.

I found a young Venezuelan girl and it was 150 K if you go to her, or 180 K plus taxi if she delivers. The young Venezuelan girl was a winner for sure. She was reperating the stories of not having food in Venezuela, so I took her out to dinner. I'm not giving her # out. I'm not in Colombia anymore and she gave me a free sexy video call today.

Arrived earlier today and am staying at an airbnb at Energy Living. Very nice building w / great rooftop pool / gym view of the city. Was a bit tired from a long day of travel so utilized an escort service. Was fairly pricey (280,000) but the model was exceptionally beautiful and performance was great. Relaxed. And then went to Fase II. Was pleased to see some of the beautiful women that I saw on my last trip to Medellin in December 2015. There were more women in the lineup than I remember. But more so a quantity game than quality. Probably 30-40 women total; a couple 9's, several 8's. Not 10's on this night but if there are 8's and 9's by Colombia standards you're in business. Had a session w / a very curvy and sexy mademoiselle and calling it a night.

I keep hearing about Leutron Club being a great place to go. I checked out Energy on my last trip and was impressed. Will be trying to hit up New Life and Leutron during the day time hours on this trip. Anyone been to Leutron? That's a name that I don't recall reading on this forum even though I've delved deep into the forum.

I'll be hitting up La Isla as well tomorrow and perhaps Ejecutivo and / or San Diego. If anyone is in for a monger frenzy (LOL) let me know. Would be nice to grab dinner / drink as well w / some comrades.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1963193]Never use the Cambio place at any Airport.

ATMs are Okay.[/QUOTE]Or better yet, know your destination. Airport exchanges in Thailand and Philippines are great. In Thailand the local ATM will charge you $7 on top of your bank's fees. Definitely do not use an airport exchange in your home country though. I can not believe those things still exist as big of a rip off as they are.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;1963299]I keep hearing about Leutron Club being a great place to go. I checked out Energy on my last trip and was impressed. Will be trying to hit up New Life and Leutron during the day time hours on this trip. Anyone been to Leutron? That's a name that I don't recall reading on this forum even though I've delved deep into the forum.[/QUOTE]The spelling is Loutron. You can do a search and find a little information. Most of which is not complimentary.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1963517]The spelling is Loutron. You can do a search and find a little information. Most of which is not complimentary.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the correction. I'll take a look. Seems like New Life and Energy are the most highly regarded here. I had a great experience at Energy. Perhaps I'll try New Life instead of Loutron.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;1963299]Arrived earlier today and am staying at an airbnb at Energy Living. Very nice building w / great rooftop pool / gym view of the city. Was a bit tired from a long day of travel so utilized an escort service. Was fairly pricey (280,000) but the model was exceptionally beautiful and performance was great. Relaxed. And then went to Fase II. Was pleased to see some of the beautiful women that I saw on my last trip to Medellin in December 2015. There were more women in the lineup than I remember. But more so a quantity game than quality. Probably 30-40 women total; a couple 9's, several 8's. Not 10's on this night but if there are 8's and 9's by Colombia standards you're in business. Had a session w / a very curvy and sexy mademoiselle and calling it a night.

I keep hearing about Leutron Club being a great place to go. I checked out Energy on my last trip and was impressed. Will be trying to hit up New Life and Leutron during the day time hours on this trip. Anyone been to Leutron? That's a name that I don't recall reading on this forum even though I've delved deep into the forum.

I'll be hitting up La Isla as well tomorrow and perhaps Ejecutivo and / or San Diego. If anyone is in for a monger frenzy (LOL) let me know. Would be nice to grab dinner / drink as well w / some comrades.[/QUOTE]Seems like you have a good grasp on the price to beauty ratio.

So do you have a link to the exceptionally beautiful model that gave excellent service for 280,000 cop.

Just left Medellin.

I stayed a week there, two days at the Mansion, then 5 more as part of a bachelor party. Before getting into the report I want to thank all the guys here who've contributed to this thread (and the Casa Blanca thread). *I RTFF going back a good 60+ pages. *There is great info on this forum that was invaluable for me. *The trip overall was amazing.

Some background info. *This was my first time to MDE and Colombia. *My mongering experience has been a bit limited. A 4 day trip to Angeles City in the P. I. , and two, one-day trips to Tijuana. My Spanish is very limited to non-existent.

Day 1:

My first night was a bust. This was due to getting in late (after 10 pm at airport) than deciding to go to Parque Llares to meet up with two guys from the bachelor party who also came in 2 days early. *We hadn't seen each other in a few years so there was a lot of catching up. *We hung out at the rooftop bar at the top of Hotel Charlee. *Really good live music and people watching but I was so exhausted it was probably a good thing I didn't try to have a session. Rolled back to the Mansion well after 3 am and passed out.

Day 2:.

Staying at the Mansion is a good place to dip one's toes into the water (especially if you're new to MDE). *It is a really unique setup, and I found every guy I met there to be both friendly but also willing to offer advice to get newbies pointed in the right direction.

I had met on Facebook a number of girls and planned to meet a couple at the Mansion. *(By the way the girls on FB know of the Mansion and some will say no-way, "I don't go there! Others though are perfectly fine.) *The first girl, Christina Perez Salazar, and I had good chats and I confirmed with her the day before. *She asked if I'd be interest if she brought her cousin and I said "SI! *My only problem was she had to slide our time from 12 to 2 pm. *This was only a 'problem' as I had a 4 pm lined up as well and she was not able to move her time.

As a pair, they were awesome. I've had threesome's in the past but it was always very mechanical and what I'd call "doing the switching". *You're there with 2 girls, but it's switching back and forth, constantly swapping condoms, with neither of them interested in the other. *Instead these two were very into each other. As if they were natural lesbians. *I said at one point I needed a small break and asked them to go at it with each other and they went to town. *I pantomimed scissors on both my hands interlocking and they understood. *The cousin (and I forget her name) got on top of Christina and they started slamming their pussies together. *I finished doing the cousin while she was eating out Christina with gusto. *It was a great start to my first time fucking in Medellin. I gave them each 150 k each and 20 k for a cab. (this by the way was what I paid for all the girls my whole trip, save the last one on day 7, but that was a special case.).

Showered and went to hang out downstairs before my 4 pm. *The guys at the Mansion had arranged for a sex show, which I was invited to attend in one of the rooms. *A bit surreal, but hey when in Medellin go with the flow. *An incredibly hot chica was on the bed laying back naked with about 8 guys in the room (all clothed). *One guy was using a pink rabbit vibrator on her and just going to town. *As I was new I was invited to lie next to her and play / suck on her tits. And it was then I saw the 5 or 6 studs she had spaced across her tongue. It made we want to do a session with her later to see how those things would feel in a BJ. *I was then asked to take over on dildo duties since it was my first time seeing a show. *A short while into my time, I was handed an even larger one and she got into doggy and I went at it again. *Another guy had pulled out a mini vibrator and was buzzing her clit while I plunged until she climaxed. (either she did or she was an Oscar caliber actor.) *It was near time for my 4 pm so I had to leave and didn't get a chance to see the additional girls who were part of "The Show."

Side note: As I mentioned the "show" was a bit surreal, but I think it has it's place. *For the chica doing the show there is a form of advertising to get herself on the radar of the guys. *For the guys there's also some benefit to seeing how she is before pulling the trigger for a full session.

The 4 pm appointment was Andrea Montoya, a super cute chica I had found and chatted with on FB. She arrived about 40 minutes late, but kept me updated via Whatsapp. *Our session was good and she gave a great BBBJ. *I like to finish doggie and the view from her behind was incredible enough to rally and finish despite being drained already.

Side note: Facebook is the starting point for most of the girls, but I think when you say to them, hey here's my WhatsApp # it elevates you above all the other guys just playing around without being serious. I observed a big difference for the positive in responses and getting commitments to meet when we moved from FB Chats to WhatsApp. Maybe it's not true, but seemed to be for me at least.

That evening the bachelor (who I also had stay at the Mansion) and I went out to dinner with a 3rd friend and came back late (I think it was almost midnight). *Alexa, the front desk lady, allowed us to bring our friend into the bar as a 'guest' since all rooms are booked up (with a 50 k fee). *We hung out in the bar for awhile, mostly on the outside patio. *There didn't seem like a lot of action going on so they arranged a little pole-dancing competition. My friend the bachelor found a tall skinny girl with a lot of tats (his turn on) and took her up. I went upstairs with the winner of the contest. It was just after 1 am when we went up. *I really wish I could have recalled her name. *She was a bit darker than average, natural be cups, about 5'2 and looked more Mexican than anything else (again 150 k plus cab).

Side note: the front desk at the Mansion sells a handful of different pills that guys want / need. Viagra's, Cialis, some antibiotics, Ambien, etc. I'm kicking myself for not bring the listing with me so I could share with you guys the exact pricing. *The one thing I bought if it helps was the ambien - 10 pills for $7 (US). *Never used them before, but they worked like a charm. *Need to get more for future adventures.

More of the report to come soon.

Apologies guys on the report below. I previewed the post before posting, but somehow a " was injected in front of every sentence.

Will make sure the rest of the trip report doesn't have those.

Day 3:

Up in time for breakfast (one of the nice benefits of being at the Mansion. The cook will make you made to order food and catching up with the guys at the outside patio is nice as well.).

Since this was the start of the official bachelor party we had to checkout of the Mansion a few hours before the check-in to the private apartment. This created a time gap problem, but Alexa was nice enough to allow us to store our luggage in their office until later that day.

We went out towards downtown, just past the central airport to a market called Minorista. The bachelor had seen an episode of Anthony Bourdain where he had gone to this food market (vegetables, meat, flowers, etc) that happened to have an off the chart restaurant in the basement. It was called Restaurante Aqui Paro Lucho and wow. Had the best Paella and BBQ ribs. Amazing food, and cheap.

The night of day 3 was a penthouse party set up by the company we hired to host the bachelor party. Provided in the party was one model / hostess for each guy, a private chef that cooked up an amazing spread, music and a metric shit-ton of booze.

Prior to the girls arriving our host let us know the parameters for the night with them. In his words 'provided in your package is one Smash-Credit with each girl, and they're paid for already and they'll be there for 3 hours. " Half the group had flown in from Paris, the other half around the USA. The European guys had a quizzical look on their face, and one finally said "can you explain this term, 'Smash'. Damn it was funny. Our host was uh, really you need me to explain this? - and so he goes. Smash - you know uh, Coitus! One guy who was married and didn't want to play asked if he could donate his Smash credit to the groom so the groom could have a threesome. Sure!

After the food and drinks are flowing we're all dancing but I see nobody's really hooking up, so I decide to break the ice. Grabbed an amazing Paisa specimen, named Tatiana. Very fair skin and long black hair. *Her breasts were enhanced to a wonderful the cup and just perfect. We head up the stairs to the master bedroom where I was staying and just under an hour later we come down the stairs to the most embarrassing site ever. There are four guys out on the balcony in a circle talking and four super hot chicas in the living room chatting as well and mostly focusing on their phones. It was like the most awkward first time middle school dance. I was sure my taking the lead would get others going too. Unfortunately not to be. I'll cut it short and just say we blew 3 Smash credits, but note not 4 of them, as one final guy on the trip arrived from the airport in the middle of the 'middle school dance' moments. *I went over to him, explained what was going on and he knew what needed to be done. *Dropped his stuff in his tiny room (that what you get when your last to arrive) and he grabbed one of the girls and started Smash time. From in the door to Smashing in under eight minutes!

Host asks me (as I was the organizer of the party) "What's wrong with your guys?" It's rather embarrassing. But oh well, the guys still seemed to have fun as they had gotten other substance beyond just the alcohol.

Day 4:

As this is a bachelor party and many of the guys have others back home to account for we did fill the daytime hours with interesting activities. *This day started, as did the rest, with our private chef cooking us a full breakfast. Which was one of my favorite things of the trip. *Waking up hung-over, but having someone hand you a fresh cup of hot coffee, some OJ and then a great plate of food is a real treat.

After breakfast we piled into our provided Van with driver and headed out towards the Intl airport to go on a 4 hour ATV tour. Many of the guys had never ridden one before and we had a blast. In a serendipitous moment, as we drove the trails and jungle near the airport property we feel and hear all this rumbling, and 8 Colombian Army Blackhawks descend from the clouds and land just about on top of us. *Our tour guide takes us around a bend and we have a full on view of the whole airport just about 10 yards away from the fence. *Well it was some sort of military exercise and we get to watch first a bunch of Dassult fighters do fly-bys and evasive maneuvers. Firing out flares. Next up were the *turbo-prop trainers doing blue-angel like maneuvers. *It was all totally unexpected but totally cool. *About 3/4 through the tour we rolled up on a lunch place with it's own private lake. *Whole place sat on about 2 football fields worth of land. *They grow private trout in the lake. We each had a beer (only one allowed by the tour guide) and fried trout, flattened plantains, rice, etc, plus platters of grilled chorizo sausages.

I had arranged for massages for all the guys when we got back to the penthouse. Non-sexual ones. A service sent over professional masseuses, they set up on the balcony overlooking Medellin from way atop Poblado and each guy got his muscles worked over well. *It was a good treat after four hours on the ATV's and every single guy was just ear to ear in grins.

We go out to dinner that night at a really nice restaurant in Poblado called Carmen's. Some really good food, and of course lots of drinks. On the itinerary that night was a plan to go hit a Casa or two, but sadly the guys wanted to go to Parque Lleras and crawl the bars (with the off chance of hitting some non-pro talent). *I was at this point having to apologize to our host for being the most vanilla group of guys ever to come to Medellin. *The host was willing to import more talent, but nobody's having any of it. The guys wanted to bar hop to try and score some girls.

We get to closing time at the bars and I'm ready to call it a night, but the guys talk to a bartender who tell them about some illegal underground bars that stay open till 5 am. I decide I'm willing to do some crazy stuff in Medellin, but I drew the line at searching out underground bars past 3 am. Even our host is saying this is crazy, but the guys were adamant. So we part ways, I head back and they go searching.

I was in bed by 3:30 (and needed the rest as I had arranged a morning appointment with Mara Diaz) for 9 am. From what I learned later they quickly gave up the hunt for the bar and taxi'd back to the house.

Day 5:

By this day a few of the guys had to leave and it left three of us. One a very experienced monger, myself and the groom.

I had prebooked a morning appointment with Mara Diaz from FB. She's 24 and has two kids. Her stand out feature is that she speaks decent English. She was the only chica of the whole trip who did all our chats in English. It was so much better than having to do the translator app back and forth like all the others. Not only did she speak English, I think she may be the one and only punctual chica in Medellin. She managed to arrive 10 minutes early which caught me off guard as I was still in the shower when she arrived at the apartment.

Our session was good, and I really like her natural be cups and I saw a barely visible C-section scar. Her pussy was the absolute tightest of all the girls on the trip. (Preview for day - 6 - I asked her back again. The only girl I repeated with). The two guys were just finishing up their breakfast's as I come down the stairs with her as I had not told the guys she was coming over. I think I got some Coolio points with the guys for the surprise.

For that day's daytime activity we went parasailing. A first for me, and man did I have a blast. Assuming you're not afraid of heights the experience was amazing. The views were crazy nice (we hit a time period where the sky was blue with white clouds) and it was just flat out fun. We had paid for 4 slots, but one guy had to skip as he didn't want to risk missing his flight, so we offered the 4th spot to the Van driver's 10 year old son. *he'd ridden with us the day before to the ATV area and was a cool kid. Biggest damn grin from ear to ear when we told him he was going to get to go. The bachelor was feeling really sick from too much alternative chemicals from the night before. *he was barely able to hold in the liquids from coming out his [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url] shoot and we then offered the final slot to the van driver herself. *Not sure if the Mom and Son in normal circumstances would ever get to do something like this. But they were very appreciated and excited when their slots were done.

Waiting back for us at the apartment were the professional massage girls, which after all the stairs we took to get to the top of where the parasails launched, was a much needed requirement to unwind. *Little did I know at the time, but the bachelor got the same massage girl two days in a row and they hit it off. He got her number and started to work on hooking up with her for the next day.

Our van driver on the way back from the parasailing to the apartment had mentioned that the Medellin football team was having a final's match that night and her and her son were going. As none of us had ever gone to a match, we contacted our host to see if he could get us tix. He did and we Uber'd down to the stadium and got to experience the absolute craziness that is South American's watching soccer. Never experienced anything like it, and as weird as it seems, it was one of the most memorable experiences of my whole trip. Had absolutely zero to do with mongering, but electric and entertaining like nothing else I've ever done.

We decided to leave before the end of the match as we wanted to watch the Sunday night football game between the Seahawks and Patriots. We went to the Irish pub in Parque Lleres and got to see the game. Up to this point the whole trip I had been playing the 'dad' role of the group, getting well lubricated but not drunk to make sure the group was taken care of, but post the SNL game, where I had consumed way too much, we rolled to a second bar where I was practicing a Spanish phrase "Uno Mas" with a lot of gusto. Pounding down shot after shot of the aquardiente. After the second shot I had literally no memory, except for waking up at 9 am in bed to the smell of bacon frying. With what was starting to feel like the world's worst hangover I texted our host and ask to slide our tour for the day back 3 hours to give us all more time to sleep in.

Just as I'm about to fall back asleep, Mara from the morning before pinged me with a 'hola baby'. I barely remember asking if should could come over by 11, she countered 11:30 and I set my alarm for 11 and passed back out. Damn if she wasn't again early, this time 15 minutes. Somehow, when she arrived both my mind and body rallied. I was good to go and did. Damn I really enjoyed doing her. In our post smash cuddling and chatting she asked if I minded she took one call. Which turned out to be one of her legit jobs. She's a translator for a bank and needed to translate a few things for the office. She says she's also in school trying to complete her degree as a bookkeeper.

Walk down the stairs again, but this time the other guys are still hard passed out in their rooms. The chef had wrapped all our breakfast's in plastic wrap but with that world's worst hangover coming back with a vengeance and I couldn't even look at the omelettes he laid out for us. *I helped her get to the elevator than just wanted to die. In my 45 years I've never been in that much pain from too much drinking. The other guys stumble out of their rooms shortly after as we have a 1 pm pickup for that day's tour. One guy offers some adderall from his kid stash as a way to help cure the hangover. I want to put a bullet into my head, but after a lot of water, coffee, juice and some serious dry heaving I manage to feel normal enough to go out on our Pablo Escobar Tour of the city.

The Netflix show "Narco" was the original reason the bachelor picked Medellin as his destination location. *Going on this tour was cool as we got to learn a lot of the background on Pablo, see a bunch of historical locations about him and see some other parts of the city besides Poblado. I won't nerd out on Pablo, but for those interested in Narco's I highly recommend hooking up for one of these tours. Our tour guide was Mauricio. If you hit me with a PM I'll pass along his contact info.

We were supposed to end the tour at the Pablo Escobar Massage parlor, a casa built at the location of a former Pablo mansion, but it turns out that Monday was a holiday in Colombia which caused many houses to be closed including this one.

Dinner that night was Indian at a place called Naan. I'm from Seattle where we have a ton of Indian restaurants and I have to admit this was better than any I've had in Seattle. *Very small place, but if you like spicy Vindaloo, I highly recommend this place.

Post dinner back to apartment to clean up and the bachelor has arranged for the massage girl to come over after she gets off work. What we learned from her was that they live a few hours out of town, and they come in for two week, than go back home for two. During those two weeks they work 12 hour days, 9 to 9, for seven days in a row. We were proud of the bachelor as he was working to pickup a non-pro and she wanted to make sure our host would be nowhere near the apartment when she arrived as she didn't want to risk her real job with someone finding out she was seeing a client on the side. In a bold move, he asked her if her other co-worker, who we dubbed Jugs-McGee would also like to come over and party for the 3rd guy in our group who was just smitten with her boobs during the last two days totally non-sexual massages. *To our complete surprise she agreed to come over as well.

I hadn't planned to do anyone that night as I was saving myself up to do a girl I had made an appointment with 3 days ahead of time. Our party host though reminded me we still had one smash credit and we needed to use it or lose it, so I decided to go ahead and book the credit for the time when the other girls were to arrive.

10:30 rolls around and all the girls arrive just about on time. Awkward! You have one very clear pro there (my girl) with two non-pro's, plus 3 obviously horny gringo's. The bachelor's girl had told him at one point she's never had champagne but always wanted to try some, so our boy went out and got three bottles. He's filling the two non-pro's up with champagne, but my girls ask for something stronger. We had about everything available, and she went with some cognac, but just a small amount. About 40 minutes into their arrivals my pro winks at me and indicates lets go on the balcony, we do and when we get out there she gets super aggressive and is kissing and sucking face. I see the other girls looking at us, and then my girl says lets go upstairs.

When we get up there we get disrobed and she tells me we have to be quick. I'm like why, thinking that like the party night the smash credit was good for 3 hours. Unfortunately since my guy booked with such short notice she was only available for an hour and really had a hard deadline. I even offered to pay extra to have her stay but she was super sorry and had to leave by 11:45. So I asked her to just get busy with a BJ and off we went. Her name was Cristina and I unfortunately didn't get her last name. I will include a pic of her, as she's one of the few I had enough sense to even ask to take a pic. She was my ideal body type, huge all natural boobs, and an non-plastic, big Colombian ass. For me she was a clear 9.

Day 7 report to come soon.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;1963523]Thanks for the correction. I'll take a look. Seems like New Life and Energy are the most highly regarded here. I had a great experience at Energy. Perhaps I'll try New Life instead of Loutron.[/QUOTE]If you like Energy and New Life, you should take a look at Abydos. Only half as many ladies, but they are pretty damn good looking. Only 140 K for an hour. Overall it is a relaxing place like Energy, but Energy is better for sure. But Abydos is much closer to El Poblado if that is where you stay. Abydos is almost across the street from a strip club called Luna Lanera. That is worth a look sometimes, but Fase II and La Isla is much better.

Nice info! I like this post!

[QUOTE=Gagoo;1963727]If you like Energy and New Life, you should take a look at Abydos. Only half as many ladies, but they are pretty damn good looking. Only 140 K for an hour. Overall it is a relaxing place like Energy, but Energy is better for sure. But Abydos is much closer to El Poblado if that is where you stay. Abydos is almost across the street from a strip club called Luna Lanera. That is worth a look sometimes, but Fase II and La Isla is much better.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gagoo;1961663]....Massage Place (brothel) Energy. Carrera 74 # 49-101. I was there yesterday. I was also a little late there. I showed up at 8:30 PM, they close at 9:30 PM. The moma asked me to to pay first, which isn't normal, but it was probably because we were going to finish at closing time. I gave the moma 150 K and never got change back. The price use to be 140 K. Maybe it went up to 150 K.[/QUOTE]I went to Energy at around 2. 00 pm today. The mommie asks me to pay first! This seems to be a bad trend, perhaps due to faltering service by the chicas. I was asked 140 k for the hour. In my last visit to Leutron earlier this year I believe I had to pay first. Did New Life yesterday, paid after as usual for my 2 sessions. Next stop Abydos and will see what gives.

I fucked a chica at Yakuza I just got to fuck more but that place is a shit hole. Has anyone tried ordering out? I guess I can call and ask?

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1964304]I fucked a chica at Yakuza I just got to fuck more but that place is a shit hole. Has anyone tried ordering out? I guess I can call and ask?[/QUOTE]Place is a dump and not worth the 45 K for the mostly overweight Chicas there. You can do much better pulling a girl from the street for 20 K and paying 10 K for a room in and around the Church to the left of the Museum.

As far as take out they will probably want a lot for that and you can do much better on the street. I wouldn't waste my time at that dump it was disgusting when I went there a few weeks ago!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1964335]Place is a dump and not worth the 45 K for the mostly overweight Chicas there. You can do much better pulling a girl from the street for 20 K and paying 10 K for a room in and around the Church to the left of the Museum.

As far as take out they will probably want a lot for that and you can do much better on the street. I wouldn't waste my time at that dump it was disgusting when I went there a few weeks ago![/QUOTE]Hello,

I will be in Medellin November 22nd and I'm new to this just wanting some advice. I will be staying at an airbnb and wondering if that's the best thing to do? What do small furnished apartments cost for one person in a safe areas?

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1964304]I fucked a chica at Yakuza I just got to fuck more but that place is a shit hole. Has anyone tried ordering out? I guess I can call and ask?[/QUOTE]What's up. What are some girl friendly hotel that aren't slums?

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1964304]I fucked a chica at Yakuza I just got to fuck more but that place is a shit hole. Has anyone tried ordering out? I guess I can call and ask?[/QUOTE]What's up? I will be in Medellin this coming up week and I am just want to know a little about what to expect and where is the best places to stay?

[QUOTE=Maasi42;1964417]Hello,

I will be in Medellin November 22nd and I'm new to this just wanting some advice. I will be staying at an airbnb and wondering if that's the best thing to do? What do small furnished apartments cost for one person in a safe areas?[/QUOTE]RTFF, RTFF, etc.

Read this thread.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2654-Medellin-Hotels-and-Rental-Apartments[/URL]

[QUOTE=Maasi42;1964422]What's up? I will be in Medellin this coming up week and I am just want to know a little about what to expect and where is the best places to stay?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1964540]RTFF, RTFF, etc.[/QUOTE]Best advice, always.

[QUOTE=Maasi42;1964420]What's up. What are some girl friendly hotel that aren't slums?[/QUOTE]It has beed said so many things already: NONE (but an overwhelming amount of love motels from decent up to luxury and always at affordable price).

More info here.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1964641&viewfull=1#post1964641[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1964540&viewfull=1#post1964540[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1887119&viewfull=1#post1887119[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1894832&viewfull=1#post1894832[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1898154&viewfull=1#post1898154[/URL]

[QUOTE=Maasi42;1964420]What's up. What are some girl friendly hotel that aren't slums?[/QUOTE]There are quite a few options for housing in Medellin, from short term apartments, reasonably priced hotels, to be&be options. The guys will probably come down a little on you for just asking the question outright as your first few posts, don't take it personally, these were the milk-distributors and hall monitors in high school.

First, pay the $20 (still 20?) and get a membership that includes private messaging. That way some of the members can refer you to their suggested favorites without redundant posts to the forum. Second, there are some options lower on this sub-forum that could use updating, but most are still somewhat relevant. You'll get some feedback from members that love or hate these places.

For hotels, my personal favorites are either Lloyd's on Calle 7 D, and Estellar Blue off Calle 1 sur. Both in great neighborhoods, close to good dining, and modern hotels with everything (hot water, internet, etc) functional. And reasonably priced to boot.

The mansion could be a fit. A be&be for like-minded guys. Good part is you'll be exposed to some cool guys, some who can help you along. Bad part is you'll be exposed to some creepy guys as well, and you're stuck with them until one of you checks out.

The apartment game can be interesting as well. More privacy, normally better facilities, but if it's your first trip, you could be stuck in a strange, unknown city with no idea how to fill your time. Since you're asking this question on a monger forum, I'm guessing you'll probably want to meet up with the fairer sex. You'll need some chica management skills if you choose this option.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Maasi42;1964417]Hello,

I will be in Medellin November 22nd and I'm new to this just wanting some advice. I will be staying at an airbnb and wondering if that's the best thing to do? What do small furnished apartments cost for one person in a safe areas?[/QUOTE]If you will be staying for at least a week, you should be able to find a nice apartment in a safe area (Poblado or Laureles) for $50 or less per night. Since no one knows your lifestyle or what you are looking for, it is impossible to say if airbnb is best.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1964540]RTFF, RTFF, etc.[/QUOTE]Yes you say RTFF but if your new to this then you can ask the question. Some of the fucking forum may be out date! So if you pay your subscription then in I'll ask anything I want!

[QUOTE=TrueScotsMan;1964774]Yes you say RTFF but if your new to this then you can ask the question. Some of the fucking forum may be out date! So if you pay your subscription then in I'll ask anything I want![/QUOTE]If you're completely new to all of this, then reading the forum is critical. Very few of us grow up knowing how to find, approach and negotiate with P4 P partners in a foreign country, while staying safe. It's easy to answer the where and how much questions, but much harder to teach someone how to know they are getting into a bad situation.

For anyone new to all of this, who doesn't want to read the forum, there's a simple answer; stay at the Mansion. If they don't want to stay at the Mansion, then RTFF.

Does he prefer big, surgically enhanced butts and boobs, or is he looking for something more natural? Older, younger, classier, sleazier, lighter, darker? PSE or GFE? Does he want 5 star accommodations or the cheapest option? Is he looking for other experiences besides the P4 P, or does he plan on just sleeping, eating and fucking for the duration? Would the scene at Fase 2 be more his style, or would a trip to Energy suit him? How are his Spanish skills? Is he okay with walking in and out of 6 Centro Casas looking for a bargain, or would he rather pay more for a guaranteed home run?

Each of us know what we like, we know what we want to do once we hit the ground. We've learned what is best for us. Some have been generous enough to share their experiences here. By reading the forum, the new guy gets an idea of his own comfort level. He gets an idea of where to stay, which places to visit, or who to call. He educates himself so he can ask specific questions.

In other words he makes it possible for someone on the forum to give him advice he can use, instead of blindly following someone else.

RTFF sounds rude, but it's the best possible advice. Learn from others mistakes. Learn what works for you. Find your comfort zone and enjoy your stay, instead of trying to follow someone else's path. Make your first trip a good one.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1964963]If you're completely new to all of this, then reading the forum is critical. Very few of us grow up knowing how to find, approach and negotiate with P4 P partners in a foreign country, while staying safe. It's easy to answer the where and how much questions, but much harder to teach someone how to know they are getting into a bad situation.

For anyone new to all of this, who doesn't want to read the forum, there's a simple answer; stay at the Mansion. If they don't want to stay at the Mansion, then RTFF.

Does he prefer big, surgically enhanced butts and boobs, or is he looking for something more natural? Older, younger, classier, sleazier, lighter, darker? PSE or GFE? Does he want 5 star accommodations or the cheapest option? Is he looking for other experiences besides the P4 P, or does he plan on just sleeping, eating and fucking for the duration? Would the scene at Fase 2 be more his style, or would a trip to Energy suit him? How are his Spanish skills? Is he okay with walking in and out of 6 Centro Casas looking for a bargain, or would he rather pay more for a guaranteed home run?.[/QUOTE]You to were once a newbie, I understand what you mean but we live in a world of demand now. Everything you want only a click away. Cut some slack.

[QUOTE=TrueScotsMan;1964774]Yes you say RTFF but if your new to this then you can ask the question. Some of the fucking forum may be out date! So if you pay your subscription then in I'll ask anything I want![/QUOTE]Yes of course your free to ask a question anytime you want however when someone asks a question without RTFF first where in this case the answers to this poster's questions where available in my opinion is insulting and dis-respectful of the other members who have spent hours sharing in valuable information that benefit a lot of us. I think you will have a different take on this after you have spent the time writing at least a few hundred posts.

[QUOTE=TrueScotsMan;1964985]You to were once a newbie, I understand what you mean but we live in a world of demand now. Everything you want only a click away. Cut some slack.[/QUOTE]If everything is just a click away, why should I cut some slack for someone who is too lazy to click?

However, I do cut some slack. If someone has a specific question, which I can answer or needs some general information, I'm happy to provide it, even if he could have found the answers by reading the forum.

But when someone comes along, says I don't know anything, teach me everything I need to know, then the only answer is RTFF. Should we spend 20 posts finding out his past experience, language skills, other international destinations, preferences, comfort level, confidence and personality, then take the time to put together a detailed, personalized course of instruction, complete with walking maps and a list of useful phrases?

At some point it's time to put on the big boy pants and find your own answers and the best way to do that is to RTFF.

And other sites like. The photos are fucking fake. Tried twice. The first one showed up 150 cheese burgers over what she had in the photos. She kept showing me photos of other people on her phone and claiming she was the girl in the photo. Yes multiple other people. Here I am sitting in a nice restaurant trying not to panic. She actually sucked great cock though.

The second one showed up about 300 cheeseburgers over what was in the photos. Did a terrible job. I even got a nice Italian take out for her.

Parque lleras has street walkers by the liquor store but they all look too young. I wouldn't touch them.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1965149]
Parque lleras has street walkers by the liquor store but they all look too young. I wouldn't touch them.[/QUOTE]Are you interested only to MILFs? There are places for jailbaits in MDE, and LLeras is not certainly one of those.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1965156]Are you interested only to MILFs? There are places for jailbaits in MDE, and LLeras is not certainly one of those.[/QUOTE]Verified one parqur lleras walker was actually 23 and brought her back. She was wanted 500 USD for TLN then started quoting 200 k pesos an hour. Gave her 50 k to leave.

Going to Cartagena tomorrow to see if its a shit show there too.

Just a bad trip. I only really enjoyed one chica and she was in a shit hole casa.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1965067]Yes of course your free to ask a question anytime you want however when someone asks a question without RTFF first where in this case the answers to this poster's questions where available in my opinion is insulting and dis-respectful of the other members who have spent hours sharing in valuable information that benefit a lot of us. I think you will have a different take on this after you have spent the time writing at least a few hundred posts.[/QUOTE]Well done Surfer500! This is the most polite and well explained response to those newbies that feel they are owed some form of free pass to ask inane questions. Invariably the answers are always in the last 20 pages of a thread!

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1965237]Verified one parqur lleras walker was actually 23 and brought her back. She was wanted 500 USD for TLN then started quoting 200 k pesos an hour. Gave her 50 k to leave.

Going to Cartagena tomorrow to see if its a shit show there too.

Just a bad trip. I only really enjoyed one chica and she was in a shit hole casa.[/QUOTE]You brought a girl from Parque Lleras to your place not knowing how much she wanted before you left with her?

[QUOTE=Gagoo;1963727]If you like Energy and New Life, you should take a look at Abydos. Only half as many ladies, but they are pretty damn good looking. Only 140 K for an hour. Overall it is a relaxing place like Energy, but Energy is better for sure. But Abydos is much closer to El Poblado if that is where you stay. Abydos is almost across the street from a strip club called Luna Lanera. That is worth a look sometimes, but Fase II and La Isla is much better.[/QUOTE]What are the hours there? Looking to check it out. I got a little bored with the line up at a energy. Seems not much new or good talent. Could use a change.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1965237]Verified one parqur lleras walker was actually 23 and brought her back. She was wanted 500 USD for TLN then started quoting 200 k pesos an hour. Gave her 50 k to leave.

Going to Cartagena tomorrow to see if its a shit show there too.

Just a bad trip. I only really enjoyed one chica and she was in a shit hole casa.[/QUOTE]Medellin is great. You must be doing something wrong. You did countless hours of bullshit so-called internet preparation (Tinder, lying to hoes, etc) to have a shitty time? Better look at the man in the mirror. Maybe they are seeing something in you that you don't know they are seeing. Why would you bring a chick back without getting a price first? Then give her 50 fucking K to leave? You can get a session downtown for less than that. Cartagena is way more expensive than Medellin. Prepare yourself for even more of a shit show if you saw Medellin that way.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1965237]Verified one parqur lleras walker was actually 23 and brought her back. She was wanted 500 USD for TLN then started quoting 200 k pesos an hour. Gave her 50 k to leave.

Going to Cartagena tomorrow to see if its a shit show there too.

Just a bad trip. I only really enjoyed one chica and she was in a shit hole casa.[/QUOTE]I've been watching your pre-trip posts with some interest. I also tend to overthink my trips (I started planning for my April trip in October). Fortunately, someone gave me some good advice a while back. Don't reinvent the wheel.

Each mongering spot has its own style. You've talked a lot about Panama City, and what worked there, but each place is different and some places are better suited for your preferred style (try out a few, then wife up for the remainder). Some mediums are also better than others.

As you stated in one post, Medellin is a casa / strip club / massage places. Energy, New Life, Fase Dos, San Diego, Luna Lunera, Abydos are a few of the more highly recommended spots. If you're going with the city mongering scene, one of those probably should be on the schedule.

If you're going for the 4 or 5 days wife up, then some of the Sugar daddy / baby sites are probably the best bet. Mileroticos is Colombia's Backpage. It's the cheapest advertising option, and is frequented by the low end of the profession. It's possible to find a diamond, but you're going to sift through a bunch of crap to find her. Tinder and Colombian Cupid are options, but you need to work them. Many are looking for a real relationship. Others are looking for a sucker. Somewhere in the middle are a handful who are ready for an adventure while supplementing their income.

Both Seeking Arrangements and What's Your Price have active members in Medellin. It's not going to be cheap, but if you're more interested in a longer period with one woman, that's probably the best place to start.

The best advice I can offer is to figure out the city scene before you go and either stay within the scene or pick a city that is more your style. Look at the rave reviews. Those are the places to go. Once you've had a few good experiences, if you feel like being more adventurous, go for it. You can always go back if you don't find what you're looking for.

Here's hoping Cartagena works out better for you.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1965317]I've been watching your pre-trip posts with some interest. I also tend to overthink my trips (I started planning for my April trip in October). Fortunately, someone gave me some good advice a while back. Don't reinvent the wheel.
[/QUOTE]Yes, you are spot on. I was expecting another Panama City. I thought I would find a good pick up bar in Parque Lleras like Habanos in Panama City. Looks like LDV in Cartagena will be more to my liking.

I did not try strip clubs or any online hookups other than tinder. One person I met here was having great success with facebook but I am still looking to avoid that.

Medellin is a wonderful city. The people are warm and welcoming. Other than a few touts and cabs trying to scam me I have not met any assholes.

I did meet two girls whom I think fall in the middle of the prepago to non-pro spectrum. We had a nice dinner which they liked, got Bachata lessons back at my place, and then took me to Las Palmas which I did not know ever existed.

One mentioned she could come see me in Caratgena but I am on the fence on that one. They also want to introduce me to more of their friends and want me to bring friends with me.

Thanks for taking the time to make your post and lay out all the options.

I have to agree. A lot of guys come down here having over planned and over invested a lot of energy into unknowns. I did it too. It's a swing reaction. Overcompensating for being starved and not wanting to waste a moment while here on the ground. Guys self sabotage by simply being too hungry and awkwardly fucking up the whole vibe with a chica who might normally be very cool.

Your plan should be.

Go to a casa first. The best way to quickly clear your heads! Plenty of choices. Very economical. Disappointment factor is low although you may spend a few hours walking around until you find someone you like. (far less than the hours and hours of chatting and self delusion) But you will put yourself at ease and in a clearer mindset for other adventures.

Set up dates with vetted chicas. Plenty of solid reviews here. Find one who catches your eye and try to be clear about what you want to do with her. You will be surprised how receptive and accommodating the girls can be. Do not fool yourself that you are tapping into some undiscovered diamond mine. None of them are new to the scene. You are the one who is new.

Facebook: If you want to save yourself hours of online chatting, hoping for an unknown to show, $150 plus taxi money, work smart and set up multiple coffee / lunch dates with girls at a nearby bar or coffee shop. Double book because you know flake factor is high! Tell them you are very busy or have a commitment later that day, so if they are going to be late, you cannot wait. You can make your negotiations prior but the worst case if they show up 100 cheeseburgers more than their photos LOL, you give them cab money if you don't see sparks. Best case, take them back to your place and romparound for hours.

And of course, there are plenty of guys down here like myself with a lot of experience, who like to hang out, check out places you might not want to go alone and in a friendly way can help you avoid a lot of frustration and keep your train on its tracks chugging along smoothly. Kind of like a personal trainer at your gym. You just get a lot more out of your time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1965315]Medellin is great. You must be doing something wrong. You did countless hours of bullshit so-called internet preparation (Tinder, lying to hoes, etc) to have a shitty time? Better look at the man in the mirror. Maybe they are seeing something in you that you don't know they are seeing. Why would you bring a chick back without getting a price first? Then give her 50 fucking K to leave? You can get a session downtown for less than that. Cartagena is way more expensive than Medellin. Prepare yourself for even more of a shit show if you saw Medellin that way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1965305]You brought a girl from Parque Lleras to your place not knowing how much she wanted before you left with her?[/QUOTE]Yes it was a mistake. I was drunk and thought at worset she would ask for 250 k. When I said shit show I just meant my experience as a whole. Reality really didn't meet expectations.

Panama City is so different. Boring and hot during the day but amazing at night. Looking for an alternative in Cartagena to it. Will post my experience of it in the other thread.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1965156]Are you interested only to MILFs? There are places for jailbaits in MDE, and LLeras is not certainly one of those.[/QUOTE]They honestly looked very young to me the last few days. Not sure when you checked last. They mostly look the same young with tight jeans and a tank top.

I recall seeing two smoking chicas sitting on the bench across from Mi Habana. Smoking hot and wearing tank tops. A car stopped and the guy called a vendor the red uniform. He gave her something and pointed to the girls. The vendor talked to the girls for a few minutes then walked away. Shortly after a regular stream of men would stop to talk to them and walk away. Eventually the women hooked up with their boyfriends and walked on. It was funny. They were being hassled for looking like prepagos.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1965359]It was funny. They were being hassled for looking like prepagos.[/QUOTE]Correct me if I am wrong, but I think a prepago is a girl that you find off a website or something. Eg. Escort. If they were standing outside then they may have been mistaken for streetwalkers. You could argue that a hooker is a hooker though.

Is there any mongering activity during the Christmas to New Year Week in Medellin? Or is it a total shutdown during this week? Anyone know of any clubs or casas or other mongering spots that remain open during this week? Will hotel Mansion be open and have any girls during this Week?

I am assuming Dec. 24 and 25 will probably be a total shutdown. But do some places open from Dec. 26?

Please share your experiences / knowledge of time during this week.

Being my third trip to MDE this year, I'd have to say the Park Lleras scene, at least in my eyes, has gone downhill. Maybe its the time of the year, the rain, or because my eyes are now open to other places. To quote from Wilhelm, "you've got to go downtown George. Its all downtown. ".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1965396]Correct me if I am wrong, but I think a prepago is a girl that you find off a website or something. Eg. Escort. If they were standing outside then they may have been mistaken for streetwalkers. You could argue that a hooker is a hooker though.[/QUOTE]Colombians use it to mean women who take money for sex or company. The two girls I "dated" both told me when we go out people think she is a prepago. They didn't mind. They were just educating me.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1965472]Colombians use it to mean women who take money for sex or company. The two girls I "dated" both told me when we go out people think she is a prepago. They didn't mind. They were just educating me.[/QUOTE]They all take money for sex. I think you were using it in the wrong context though. They probably meant that people would think she was an escort because maybe you two looked mismatched. But you would not tell your friend hey let's go down to the casa or the park and get a couple of prepagos.

Just as the term escort is used in English. You find escorts on websites and shit. You would not go down to the strip club or the track in order to get an escort. They are prearranged, hence prepago. Street chicks are not prearranged. They are picked up on the spot and would not be considered prepagos. It is a certain category of sex worker.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1965481]They all take money for sex. I think you were using it in the wrong context though. They probably meant that people would think she was an escort because maybe you two looked mismatched. But you would not tell your friend hey let's go down to the casa or the park and get a couple of prepagos.

Just as the term escort is used in English. You find escorts on websites and shit. You would not go down to the strip club or the track in order to get an escort. They are prearranged, hence prepago. Street chicks are not prearranged. They are picked up on the spot and would not be considered prepagos. It is a certain category of sex worker.[/QUOTE]Prepago means hooker no matter where you find them. Someone that is paid for sex.

Not everyone takes money for sex! This goes with Colombia and any part of the world. SMH. I don't even want to even get into debating whether girlfriends / wives are "paid for sex".

I happened to be working out at the Bodytech Gym in the Vizcaya mall in Poblado. I'm having lunch at Mondongo's afterwords, and in walks Duff with his entourage. Bodyguard was a dick when I tried to snap a pic. Anyone interested in going to the concert tomorrow, drop me a PM.

Late,

Judd.

[QUOTE=Judd;1965493]I happened to be working out at the Bodytech Gym in the Vizcaya mall in Poblado. I'm having lunch at Mondongo's afterwords, and in walks [red]Duff[/red] with his entourage. Bodyguard was a dick when I tried to snap a pic. Anyone interested in going to the concert tomorrow, drop me a PM.
.[/QUOTE]I had to Google "Duff", but still I do not understand your post. Nothing to do with Duffy Duck anyway, I learned.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1965498]I had to Google "Duff", but still I do not understand your post. Nothing to do with Duffy Duck anyway, I learned.[/QUOTE]I think that is the bassist from Guns'and'Roses.

[QUOTE=Judd;1965405]Being my third trip to MDE this year, I'd have to say the Park Lleras scene, at least in my eyes, has gone downhill. Maybe its the time of the year, the rain, or because my eyes are now open to other places. To quote from Wilhelm, "you've got to go downtown George. Its all downtown. ".[/QUOTE]Did you mean other places in MDE or in Colombia? Please share.

The Bass player for Guns and Roses.

I spoke to a local who told me that since Colombian Jake got arrested and apparently another foreigner was shot for pimping the cops have been cleaning up Parque Lleras. According to him it used to be really bad where putas would come knocking on doors and offering themselves but that's all changed.

Grain of salt and all that.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1965500]I think that is the bassist from Guns'and'Roses.[/QUOTE]Yes they are in town and OSEA an upscale eating place in Poblado is catering Thanksgiving dinner for them. That's what the owner told me when I had dinner there the other night.

I'm looking to find a place I can find a girl that I don't have to bring back to the room.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2418-Medellin-Lists[/URL]

[QUOTE=Maasi42;1965563]I'm looking to find a place I can find a girl that I don't have to bring back to the room.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Maasi42;1965563]I'm looking to find a place I can find a girl that I don't have to bring back to the room.[/QUOTE]Las cabanas.

Minimum taxi ride from lleras.

Located off of avenida poblado.

Cool rooms that make for an instant intimate party.

Very private as your taxi drops you off right to your room.

Hi guys, who can tell me how to find the Medellin RLD area on google maps with steetwalkers / chicas in front of hotels as I've seen on a few videos online taken walking around the area, just so I can check it out myself. How dangerous is it to walk there in the daytime compared to the Bogota RLD?

[QUOTE=Coupe66;1965823]Hi guys, who can tell me how to find the Medellin RLD area on google maps with steetwalkers / chicas in front of hotels as I've seen on a few videos online taken walking around the area, just so I can check it out myself. How dangerous is it to walk there in the daytime compared to the Bogota RLD?[/QUOTE]I propose this for the RoD.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;1965823]Hi guys, who can tell me how to find the Medellin RLD area on google maps with steetwalkers / chicas in front of hotels as I've seen on a few videos online taken walking around the area, just so I can check it out myself. How dangerous is it to walk there in the daytime compared to the Bogota RLD?[/QUOTE]Is this the area you are referring to?

[QUOTE=CarneNorte;1962113]Late report, got swamped with work when I came back. First time to MDE, 2 non speaking Asian dudes with google translate ready to go, RTFF, amazing map. Shout out to the one that made the list.

Day 1:

Buddy and I got an apartment near Parque Lleras, quite convenient but expensive, near an exito. No probs getting thru immigration got picked up by our driver. Got to our apartment around 11 pm. Met up with a gringo and some dude on fb that msg me at Parque lleras. Saw "independents" walking around. We decided to head up to La Isla. 5 peeps in a yellow taxi going up a hill, fun times. Got sat near the stage, had to purchase a bottle, forgot the name but it was nasty. Lots of hotties around but I did not pull. Buddy pulled a nice skinny with a cute butt, IRC her name was Jenny. Talks perfect english. Damage was 350 k, service was good. I got her whatsapp #. Went back to the apartment around 3 am.

Day 4:

Sunday, day of rest LOL. Ate at a small restaurant near the apartment and talked about how lucky we are in this trip. Friend whatsapp the girl Camilla to come over the apartment, I was kinda paranoid about bringing girls over, she met us at a restaurant near our place. She text her friend to come, so I wouldn't be alone. Three of us were in the apartment, she had a very good attitude, google translate mvp. Of course we took precautions, hide everything and watch our drinks. We only had water and plantain chips LOL. Then her friend arrived. Hooly shitt. Short about 5' skinny but with curves, name is Isabella. We hit it off, went to our separate rooms, we did it in the shower, bed, couch, walls LOL. Both stayed for 3-4 hrs, 300 k + taxi. We had grins on our faces, didn't get drugged up, no lame performances. So prior to coming to MDE I was using Seeking Arrangement. Was talking to this girl to meet me up when I was in MDE. Sent her a text to meet up at a restaurant. Buddy and I came, drank beer or two and talking on what's happening with our lives so far, we reached to an agreement that we are getting to be old dirty bastards then came my girl, holy shit she was hot. About 5'7 tight jeans and nice blouse? We hugged and order some food. She's a great talker, english, we stayed there for an hour or two just talking. Then she showed me her google translate (mvp) on what I wanted to do next. I said for a couple of hours, she quoted me 500 k, I'm like hmms. Little bro was like, "dude I want that" so I said sure, where?! Ended up in this IBIS love motel. Shit is amazing, she undressed and start dancing on the pole. Perfect body, nicely done man made boobs, girl squats and it shows. We stayed for 4 hours, more than it was agreed, but she had fun and price stayed the same. So Seeking Arrangement worked, tinder is shit in my opinion. Buddy called Camilla while I was with SA girl for overnight. I came home around 5 ish. Gringos still smoking outside hostel.
[/QUOTE]300 K?
350 k?
500 k?

Did I fall into some kind of bizarro world? And these are guys who presumably have read this forum. I guess a guy who never gets a woman in the US loses his fucking mind when a Colombiana winks at him.

[QUOTE=Thedman;1963598]That evening the bachelor (who I also had stay at the Mansion) and I went out to dinner with a 3rd friend and came back late (I think it was almost midnight). *Alexa, the front desk lady, allowed us to bring our friend into the bar as a 'guest' since all rooms are booked up (with a 50 k fee). [/QUOTE]Yeah, that was very generous of them to let your friend in to a bar for 50 k COP. In case you didn't notice, that was sarcasm.

[QUOTE=Thedman;1963621]Day 3:

Up in time for breakfast (one of the nice benefits of being at the Mansion. The cook will make you made to order food and catching up with the guys at the outside patio is nice as well.).[/QUOTE]Cook? Don't you mean the maid, the woman who cleans the toilets? Hope she washed her hands.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1965237]Verified one parqur lleras walker was actually 23 and brought her back. She was wanted 500 USD for TLN then started quoting 200 k pesos an hour. Gave her 50 k to leave.[/QUOTE]What? You gave her 50 k just for talking to her? Who are you people?

EDIT: I think I misread the post. Sounds like you brought a hooker back to your hotel without discussing price upfront, so of course she's going to quote you a ridiculous price. At least you were smart enough to decline.

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1965488]Prepago means hooker no matter where you find them. Someone that is paid for sex.

Not everyone takes money for sex! This goes with Colombia and any part of the world. SMH. I don't even want to even get into debating whether girlfriends / wives are "paid for sex".[/QUOTE]+1. Anybody who takes money for sex is a prepago.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1966235]300 K?
350 k?
500 k?

Did I fall into some kind of bizarro world? And these are guys who presumably have read this forum. I guess a guy who never gets a woman in the US loses his fucking mind when a Colombiana winks at him.[/QUOTE]Yes, you can divide all those numbers by 10 in El Centro.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1965895]I propose this for the RoD.[/QUOTE]Please translate for us what RoD means.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1966256]Yes, you can divide all those numbers by 10 in El Centro.[/QUOTE]And you can divide by 2 in the venues the OP was hanging out in.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1966257]Please translate for us what RoD means.[/QUOTE]Reports of Distinction.

Quick post I'm still on my trip so what is going on my trip. Had a great time I Gusto last night met me a beautiful Colombian in the Parque Lleras and negotiated 160000 for an hour. I guess it's all about how you approach the women if you have enough confidence they will go with the flow that being said I'm going to Jade massage Palace today trying to see what's up with that I will keep you posted peace.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1966257]Please translate for us what RoD means.[/QUOTE]Mr. E already responded. I think you don't ignore.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/faq.php?faq=faq_wsgforum_01#faq_faq_terms[/URL]
(which does not include RoD, BTW*) (*By The Way).

I wrote that, because tired of the usual unkind "RTFF". I've seldom seen such a naif request.

If one is intimidated by the thousands of pages of pure pointless chitchat (incl. my present post. I admit) which are characteristic of the Medellin Forum, there is always the RoD section, which is smaller and extremely instructive for all newbies. In addition, why not to use the "search" function? Searching "street walkers" yields a lot about the El Centro scene.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1966235]300 K?
350 k?
500 k?

Did I fall into some kind of bizarro world? And these are guys who presumably have read this forum. I guess a guy who never gets a woman in the US loses his fucking mind when a Colombiana winks at him.[/QUOTE]Yep and the very reason Medellin is getting worse. Guys like this throwing money at girls.

FK me why travel to another country to pay like that.

This is my first trip to Medellin. I have read the Reports of Distinction. Some were very helpful; others are very old. Please let me know if you can provide relevant up to date advice for someone new to MDE. I am happy to reciprocate with information about Brazil, Costa Rica, China, Taiwan, Thailand, Singapore, Dubai, Austria, etc.

I am staying at Mansion 1 Dec 14-19.

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy;1966529]Please let me know if you can provide relevant up to date advice for someone new to MDE.

I am staying at Mansion 1 Dec 14-19.[/QUOTE]What specific advice are you trying to get that you did not get out of reading past reports? Looks like you already followed some good advice about staying at the Mansion as a first timer.

[QUOTE=GaryGroundwork;1966509]Yep and the very reason Medellin is getting worse. Guys like this throwing money at girls.

FK me why travel to another country to pay like that.[/QUOTE]Only the locales popular with Americans are getting worse. Fortunately, unlike the Dominican Republic, Panama and Costa Rica, there are many establishments that are unknown to Americans in Colombia.

So you have to have game to negotiate $160 k per hour? Is that like a deal?

[QUOTE=OldTrack;1966456]Quick post I'm still on my trip so what is going on my trip. Had a great time I Gusto last night met me a beautiful Colombian in the Parque Lleras and negotiated 160000 for an hour. I guess it's all about how you approach the women if you have enough confidence they will go with the flow that being said I'm going to Jade massage Palace today trying to see what's up with that I will keep you posted peace.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;1966747]Only the locales popular with Americans are getting worse. Fortunately, unlike the Dominican Republic, Panama and Costa Rica, there are many establishments that are unknown to Americans in Colombia.[/QUOTE]A huge piece of wisdom! So true. Fortunately true.

Here is three shots of Calle 22 and Carrera 15 in the Santa Fe barrio.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=13ocBQUflm57FfMBszPYYRZskdtM&ll=4.612684762558393%2C-74.07559137135581&z=19[/URL]

No problem walking in the Day time, be careful at night.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;1965823]Hi guys, who can tell me how to find the Medellin RLD area on google maps with steetwalkers / chicas in front of hotels as I've seen on a few videos online taken walking around the area, just so I can check it out myself. How dangerous is it to walk there in the daytime compared to the Bogota RLD?[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the advice and the link World Travel 69. Area looks very small and empty though compared to that I though I saw online, and compared to the RLD in Bogota too. Where is the commercial centre of the city? Just to see average ladies walking about on google maps. Not malls though. That would be good to see too.

What's up Fellas. Met up with a dude last night, and showed him Barra Ejecutiva in Centro. It was only my second time there, and the quantity + quality of chica was quite impressive. A good 40+ chicas in just about every flavor imaginable. With that being said, you have to be careful to avoid the "Sharks" who look hot, and give shit service. Unfortunately, that's exactly what I did, and it was my fault. I saw this chica sitting down with some Colombian. She wasn't really that hot, but she had the biggest tits I've seen so far in MDE that weren't on some really heavy chica. A few minutes later, she came walking toward our table, and ask her to sit with us. My shit service radar flagged her a minute into the conversation. However, since she reminded me of one of my big titted Novias from Peru, I let my little guy make the decision. Never a good idea. She asked for 90 k, but agreed to 80 k.

In the room, she began to yawn, and didn't really engage in any meaningful conversation. Usually, the chicas at the strips clubs would be bumping and grinding to the music with me. Not this one. Gave a subpar BJ. You know the type where they just put the tip in their mouth, and then do something with their tongue. What's that all about? Never experienced this type of BJ until MDE. I need to start telling these chicas that offers no benefit to me whatsoever. Tease the tip with your tongue, then, Suck and Stroke. That's what we like! Wouldn't get into doggy the way I wanted too. After a few minutes, she started bitchin about something. At that point, I just pulled the plug on the session, and told her to get the F out! Just kidding on the get the F out part. I did tell her no mas, got dressed, and split. I'd rather save my strokes for a provider who can at least fake like she's having a good time. The good news is the crap service didn't sting so much since I was only out 80 k, and did get to see those big titties bounce for a New York minute. The lessons here is if the conversation isn't happening at the table, that's not a good sign. Also, you should talk about your expectations for the session up front. If she's not enthused about what you laid out, move on to someone else.

My buddy batted. 500 for the night. He found a good one during his first session. He went back for seconds after we hit Macaibo (prob not spelled right) next door, and apparently, she was a dud. All and all, I'd say this place has some great potential. Probably 70% of the talent at Ejecutiva are bangable. Your just going to have to put in the time to find the gems. I got that covered since I'm here til February. LOL.

Late,

Judd.

[QUOTE=Judd;1966882]What's up Fellas. Met up with a dude last night, and showed him Barra Ejecutiva in Centro. It was only my second time there, and the quantity + quality of chica was quite impressive. A good 40+ chicas in just about every flavor imaginable. With that being said, you have to be careful to avoid the "Sharks" who look hot, and give shit service. [/QUOTE]It is usually the older ones there that do that. How old was your girl?

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1966792]So you have to have game to negotiate $160 k per hour? Is that like a deal?[/QUOTE]I found that amusing also.

She said she was 26, but I'd say she was easily over 30. Unfortunately, I didn't remember her name because I was so focused on her rack. She had medium brown hair, somewhat light skin, round 5'5, nice figure, and some crappy flower tattoo on one of her shoulders. You know her?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1966887]It is usually the older ones there that do that. How old was your girl?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1966851]Here is three shots of Calle 22 and Carrera 15 in the Santa Fe barrio.[/QUOTE]This is the Medellin thread, you provided photos of Santa Fe in Bogota. This guy looks confused and clueless enough, to not need to add more.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;1966858]Thanks for the advice and the link World Travel 69. Area looks very small and empty though compared to that I though I saw online, and compared to the RLD in Bogota too. Where is the commercial centre of the city? Just to see average ladies walking about on google maps. Not malls though. That would be good to see too.[/QUOTE]Medellin is a large city, a normal city with a lot of activity in many areas (not like those strange places, typical of USA, say like Dallas, where there is a small "downtown" and 95% of the city is a huge desert area made of highways and "blocks" Plenty of "commercial areas". Plenty of malls and even street markets. Plenty of people, a crowd.

If you really want to preview using Google Maps, why don't you search Google for "mall"? Or why don't you read the RoD and the List to see where is this damn RLD? Several RLDs, by the way, and wide. The same streets will be crowded of humanity at daytime, and desert at night. Not to mention the bars.

Make a list of places to see (search "Medellin tourism") and start from the regular places. Visit the Centro at day time but stay away at night unless you are already acquainted and street smart enough. You would not like to visit East St. Louis at night without having a clue, right?

Here is a shot of El Centro. I was standing on the corner of Calle 48 and Carrera 54.

[QUOTE=Judd;1966882]What's up Fellas. Met up with a dude last night, and showed him Barra Ejecutiva in Centro. It was only my second time there, and the quantity + quality of chica was quite impressive. A good 40+ chicas in just about every flavor imaginable. With that being said, you have to be careful to avoid the "Sharks" who look hot, and give shit service. Unfortunately, that's exactly what I did, and it was my fault. I saw this chica sitting down with some Colombian. She wasn't really that hot, but she had the biggest tits I've seen so far in MDE that weren't on some really heavy chica. A few minutes later, she came walking toward our table, and ask her to sit with us. My shit service radar flagged her a minute into the conversation. However, since she reminded me of one of my big titted Novias from Peru, I let my little guy make the decision. Never a good idea. She asked for 90 k, but agreed to 80 k.

In the room, she began to yawn, and didn't really engage in any meaningful conversation. Usually, the chicas at the strips clubs would be bumping and grinding to the music with me. Not this one. Gave a subpar BJ. You know the type where they just put the tip in their mouth, and then do something with their tongue. What's that all about? Never experienced this type of BJ until MDE. I need to start telling these chicas that offers no benefit to me whatsoever..[/QUOTE]What time did you go? Went 12:30 am it was packed. But it had some shady dudes as well.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1966235]300 K?
350 k?
500 k?

Did I fall into some kind of bizarro world? And these are guys who presumably have read this forum. I guess a guy who never gets a woman in the US loses his fucking mind when a Colombiana winks at him.[/QUOTE]No fucking joke, I was looking at the same shit bewildered. Between this guy, Thedman, and Mr. "if you have enough confidence prostitutes will take your money for sex", I'm realizing that the outpouring of cats that jacked the pussy prices in the CR and DR are making their way to MDE. Coming unexpectedly next weekend because of Castro's death fucking up my Havana trip, but I think I'll make my base La 70 this go-around. And maybe start falling back to Bogota or Cali in the future.

[QUOTE=OldTrack;1966456]Quick post I'm still on my trip so what is going on my trip. Had a great time I Gusto last night met me a beautiful Colombian in the Parque Lleras and negotiated 160000 for an hour. I guess it's all about how you approach the women if you have enough confidence they will go with the flow that being said I'm going to Jade massage Palace today trying to see what's up with that I will keep you posted peace.[/QUOTE]You overpaid by 10-60 k.

Sorry, too busy working on both Cities.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1967087]This is the Medellin thread, you provided photos of Santa Fe in Bogota. This guy looks confused and clueless enough, to not need to add more.[/QUOTE]

Here are a couple of shots of Carrera 53 between Calles 51 and 52.
Point 2 on this Map.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=1oSkedwpda6eSKk1YofeuPtpLhU4&ll=6.251306818666052%2C-75.56788610265511&z=18[/URL]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1966851]Here is three shots of Calle 22 and Carrera 15 in the Santa Fe barrio.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=13ocBQUflm57FfMBszPYYRZskdtM&ll=4.612684762558393%2C-74.07559137135581&z=19[/URL]

No problem walking in the Day time, be careful at night.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1967642]Here are a couple of shots of Carrera 53 between Calles 51 and 52.
Point 2 on this Map.[/QUOTE]You seem to enjoy spoon-feeding also those who insist to ignore to review your fabulous Lists. They are not complete, neither always accurate, but a mandatory starting point for anyone who approaches a new town for the first time.

Then, I will add a small piece of information for newbies in Colombia: if you feel hungry walking around downtown (Centro) and you see a light sign flashing "GRILL", that's not where you will find a steak.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1966244]+1. Anybody who takes money for sex is a prepago.[/QUOTE]Anybody who takes money Before sex is a prepago.

What should the going rate be these days?

[QUOTE=Advantageous;1967234]No fucking joke, I was looking at the same shit bewildered. Between this guy, Thedman, and Mr. "if you have enough confidence prostitutes will take your money for sex", I'm realizing that the outpouring of cats that jacked the pussy prices in the CR and DR are making their way to MDE. Coming unexpectedly next weekend because of Castro's death fucking up my Havana trip, but I think I'll make my base La 70 this go-around. And maybe start falling back to Bogota or Cali in the future.[/QUOTE]

We were there, last Friday, from 10 in the PM til round 1 in the AM. We stepped out for 1/2 hour to check out Macaibo. Not much there. They had just finished with their two chica shaving cream show. Me being the stupid gringo, thought it was whipped cream. Asked for a shot in the mouth, and quickly realized my error. Took about a day and half to get that taste out of my mouth. Live and learn!

[QUOTE=JoeqNight;1967191]What time did you go? Went 12:30 am it was packed. But it had some shady dudes as well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy;1967774]What should the going rate be these days?[/QUOTE]I went back 15 pages to find this:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1955076&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1955076.

La 70 is super nice; Energy is nearby!! Places to eat, ambience, drinks with your friends, way better than Lleras. I've got a friend in Bogota right now, he is killing it!!

[QUOTE=Advantageous;1967234]No fucking joke, I was looking at the same shit bewildered. Between this guy, Thedman, and Mr. "if you have enough confidence prostitutes will take your money for sex", I'm realizing that the outpouring of cats that jacked the pussy prices in the CR and DR are making their way to MDE. Coming unexpectedly next weekend because of Castro's death fucking up my Havana trip, but I think I'll make my base La 70 this go-around. And maybe start falling back to Bogota or Cali in the future.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1967806]La 70 is super nice; Energy is nearby!! Places to eat, ambience, drinks with your friends, way better than Lleras. I've got a friend in Bogota right now, he is killing it!![/QUOTE]I love La Setenta / Estadio / Laureles. However your typical monger is generally not going to like the area as much as Poblado / Parque Lleras.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1967751]Anybody who takes money BEforE sex is a prepago.[/QUOTE]Strictly defined, you're right. However, the term is commonly used for any girl where both parties know beforehand that money will be exchanged explicitly for sex (regardless of whether the money exchange is after or before the act).

Hola Dudes,

Here's a rundown of the chicas I've nailed so far at New Life.

Sophia.

Somewhat tall chica with long dark hair, complexion on the darker side, full Cee size real rack, and a good size ass. Was recommended by another board. Service was just okay.

Eveline.

Sandy blonde hair, short spinner, with nice be cup rack, and a good firm round ass. First time, her service was excellent. 2nd time, last week, complained about licking her tits, and asked to slow down in doggy. Did the tip in the mouth, swirl tongue BJ method. Asked for a tip which I politely declined to give since service was no bueno.

Karla.

Tall with straight black hair, beautiful face, very curvaceous body. The problem with Karla is her service was not very good given how attractive she looks during the lineup. I had her when I was here in October. When I arrived again in November, I didn't realize I picked her again. A little thick once she took off her clothes. Service was the same. Okay BJ, but did the ole humpback thing when she got into doggy.

Lorena.

Black hair, round face, big enhanced borderline Dee size tits, with a really big round ass. The thing with Lorena, she appears to be kinda big during the walk thru. However, when the clothes are off, she has it going on! Great personality. Eager to please. Enjoyed the hard bang. Excellent overall service.

Julie / a.

Tall slim morena. She has a Caribbean look to her with pretty blue eyes, and braces. Nice flowing body with one of those runner type asses. She was really excited to bang this gringo. Fantastic BJ, and would've finished me off it was a BBBJ. Energetic sex to say the least. Fun Fact: She likes her clit massaged with the tip of your dick. A+++ service!

Late,

Judd.

[QUOTE=Judd;1967814]Hola Dudes,

Here's a rundown of the chicas I've nailed so far at New Life.

Sophia.

Somewhat tall chica with long dark hair, complexion on the darker side, full Cee size real rack, and a good size ass. Was recommended by another board. Service was just okay.

Eveline.

Sandy blonde hair, short spinner, with nice be cup rack, and a good firm round ass. First time, her service was excellent. 2nd time, last week, complained about licking her tits, and asked to slow down in doggy. Did the tip in the mouth, swirl tongue BJ method. Asked for a tip which I politely declined to give since service was no bueno..[/QUOTE]I arrived in Medellin a week ago I went to some strip club it was good. Where are the casa's where you can see a lineup of girls?

Thanks Juice. I got called out for paying too much. I researched a lot before my trip. A lot!

For FB girls to come to you, 150 k seemed the going rate on average. I saw this over many posts.

That's what I offered and felt for what I received, an 8+ to my place on request plus a great GFE, it was appropriate.

I guess there will always those haters who are always going to hate. Maybe $10 either way is life or death for them. Too bad for them.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1967801]I went back 15 pages to find this:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1955076&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1955076.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Maasi42;1968239]I arrived in Medellin a week ago I went to some strip club it was good. Where are the casa's where you can see a lineup of girls?[/QUOTE]Check Abydos, (Massage, etc.) Avenida 33 # 64-198.12-15 Chicas. Prices: 100 k 30 min. 120 k hour, Take Out __k hour. Tel: 235 30 31. Hours: Monday to Saturday 11 am to 9 pm, and don't forget to report back to us.

[QUOTE=Thedman;1968316]Thanks Juice. I got called out for paying too much. I researched a lot before my trip. A lot!

For FB girls to come to you, 150 k seemed the going rate on average. I saw this over many posts.

That's what I offered and felt for what I received, an 8+ to my place on request plus a great GFE, it was appropriate.

I guess there will always those haters who are always going to hate. Maybe $10 either way is life or death for them. Too bad for them.[/QUOTE]How are you locating the semi-pro or pro girls through FB?

[QUOTE=Turgid;1968683] and don't forget to report back to us.[/QUOTE]And to read the List on the Medellin List thread, where you can find this information (kindly repeated by Turgid) and much more.

There is also the nice button "Search" and the RoD thread. All this for free.

[QUOTE=Thedman;1968316]Thanks Juice. I got called out for paying too much. I researched a lot before my trip. A lot!

For FB girls to come to you, 150 k seemed the going rate on average. I saw this over many posts.

That's what I offered and felt for what I received, an 8+ to my place on request plus a great GFE, it was appropriate.

I guess there will always those haters who are always going to hate. Maybe $10 either way is life or death for them. Too bad for them.[/QUOTE]150 K for a 8+ Facebook girl to come to your place is absolutely fair. You weren't overpaying.

[QUOTE=Thedman;1968316]Thanks Juice. I got called out for paying too much. I researched a lot before my trip. A lot!

For FB girls to come to you, 150 k seemed the going rate on average. I saw this over many posts.

That's what I offered and felt for what I received, an 8+ to my place on request plus a great GFE, it was appropriate.

I guess there will always those haters who are always going to hate. Maybe $10 either way is life or death for them. Too bad for them.[/QUOTE]Who called you out? 150 k is about average.

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1968778]Who called you out? 150 k is about average.[/QUOTE]About 7 to 10 posts below (depending on how fast this gets approved).

[QUOTE=Corpo;1968699]How are you locating the semi-pro or pro girls through FB?[/QUOTE]A lot of work. Finding girls with mostly gringo only friends was the first key. I had a few girls where I made bad assumptions but after a few weeks of cultivation I had a good list.

At one point I was starting to get about two or three incoming requests per week from girls. That's when I knew I was doing well.

I think the girls track who each other are friending and jump on board.

Hey,

Some thoughts on a couple of recent trips to Medellin.

* 150 K is not bad at all. I got lucky with a tinder girl last time who I'm going to see again in February. Still chat her up on whatsapp and she is an absolute sweetheart. Last time I saw her in Laureles at an apartment 40 K dropped out of my pocket and thought she had taken it. Well half hour later I get a text that she has found some money on the floor in the corner and it must be mine? So I paid 140 K for an hour of quality fun and returned for my 40 K. And believe me this girl was worth every peso.

* Be careful of the Mileroticos girls. Many of the numbers are an operation with several girls and you may not get what you expect when you show up at their place. "well if you don't want me that will be 40 K for me to meet you. " or if you want another girl it is kind of awkward then to ask the girl you thought you were going to get from the ad who you have now rejected for another girl. I've bailed on a couple of these.

* Sad to hear Thai Spa has closed! This was one of my favorite spots. Out of the way on a dead end street and kind of a classy place really. Good quality lineup usually and they ran a pretty clean joint overall. So anyone on the ground can confirm it is closed?

* Can't go wrong at Abydos, Energy, and for the budget minded New Life.

* Avoid Jade Palace by all means. Memory of this place makes my brain hurt. Both of them.

* I like to walk a lot and there are a lot of little curious places to discover, both good and bad. Get out and enjoy a little of the culture and scenery when you can. Parque Arvi, Plaza Botero, Penol and Guatape, or just hang out in a park and take it all in.

* Didn't get a big kick out of Poblado. Too many damn hills and confuses the hell out of me at night. They can have it, whoever They are.

* Prices and other details are all over this board. Frankly I try to stick with the market rates and try not to overpay.

* Strip clubs were never high on my list. I usually like to go to bed early and have not checked any out. Maybe next time.

* Not a fan of streetwalkers but know where they are. Just go to Centro and have a plan of where to take them to. Because they pop out of the woodwork when they see a gringo walking.

Overall I think Medellin beats most other mongering destinations hands down anywhere within this hemisphere. For the money and quality you get for that money, plus the paisa attitude. You just do not find that anywhere else, IMO.

Random thoughts and ramblings.

CallMeBill

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1968778]Who called you out? 150 k is about average.[/QUOTE]It wasn't that I and others said he was paying to much for FB girls but that girls could be had for a lot less from other venues.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1968792]It wasn't that I and others said he was paying to much for FB girls but that girls could be had for a lot less from other venues.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1967234[/URL]#post1967234.

The other guy mentioned was paying 300 k, 500 k but for me it was 150 plus cab for each girl I saw.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1965149]And other sites like. The photos are fucking fake. Tried twice. The first one showed up 150 cheese burgers over what she had in the photos. She kept showing me photos of other people on her phone and claiming she was the girl in the photo. Yes multiple other people. Here I am sitting in a nice restaurant trying not to panic. She actually sucked great cock though.

The second one showed up about 300 cheeseburgers over what was in the photos. Did a terrible job. I even got a nice Italian take out for her.

Parque lleras has street walkers by the liquor store but they all look too young. I wouldn't touch them.[/QUOTE]This is funny. Sorry for your bad luck but I had to chuckle at the cheeseburger reference. But mileroticos has images that are clearly fake, like a picture of a well known Instagram model.

What about these other sites. Wonder if they're legit. ?

[URL]http://www.conejitas-vip.com/html/concurso.html[/URL]

[URL]http://www.escortsfantasia.com/escorts/[/URL]

[URL]http://lindasvip.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Thedman;1968780]About 7 to 10 posts below (depending on how fast this gets approved).[/QUOTE]Ahh. Ignore him. I think he just made a general comment about newbies. You are doing ok with FB. Sure there are cheaper like Mayorista or casas, but these girls have their pussies run through like freight trains! FB is just a different experience.

BTW, if you are lucky, on FB you can catch a girl new to the game charging 100-120 k + taxi. After a dozen gringos and possibly the Mansion, they will start asking for 150 k. If they get to superstar level, they will ask for 200 k!

During my last trip to Medellin (last month), some guys helped me finally get up and running on FB (which I planned to use for future trips). With their help, I ended up friending a lot of chicas. A few nights ago, I went on and saw a "video" (not sure what you call those moving picture things, but it's not really a video) that I supposedly posted of a girl sucking a guy off. All I've done since getting on FB is text with a few girls in a respectful manner. I wasn't sure what to do, so I just ignored it. Last night, I saw my account was disabled for violating FB community standards. I can only assume this is because of the video. I did also find an email from FB from 5 days ago saying they saw activity from an unreconized device (it's not an email I use often).

I tried to submit an "appeal" that you can find on their website, but you need to upload ID. I used a pseudonym for this, so that doesn't work. Anyone else ever have a similar issue and have a solution? If not, I guess I'll just have to start from scratch again.

[QUOTE=RedTibetan23;1968944]During my last trip to Medellin (last month), some guys helped me finally get up and running on FB (which I planned to use for future trips). With their help, I ended up friending a lot of chicas. A few nights ago, I went on and saw a "video" (not sure what you call those moving picture things, but it's not really a video) that I supposedly posted of a girl sucking a guy off. All I've done since getting on FB is text with a few girls in a respectful manner. I wasn't sure what to do, so I just ignored it. Last night, I saw my account was disabled for violating FB community standards. I can only assume this is because of the video. I did also find an email from FB from 5 days ago saying they saw activity from an unreconized device (it's not an email I use often).

I tried to submit an "appeal" that you can find on their website, but you need to upload ID. I used a pseudonym for this, so that doesn't work. Anyone else ever have a similar issue and have a solution? If not, I guess I'll just have to start from scratch again.[/QUOTE]Your account got hacked? That' why you got the email about an unrecognized device.

Use a better password next time?

Hey guys,

New to the board, I'm a month or so away from leaving it all and heading down to Medellin. As far as the prepagos are concerned, I was trying to get an idea of what the ladies looked like and what they charge. Mostly I troll the bigger escort pages, I. E. Escorts Fantasia etc. So my question is, Are these girls real? What should I be looking out for? This looks almost too good to be true, and you know what they say about that. I'm not worried about the prices, I'm worried about accuracy of the pictures and the performance. Also, What in your opinion is the best way to find the best looking prepagos?

Thanks in advance fellas, hope to see you all once I hit ground.

YippieKayay,

Thank you for your help! Let me know if I can return the favor.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1967801]I went back 15 pages to find this:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1955076&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1955076.[/QUOTE]

Thedman,

What are you searching for on Facebook? What are the search words you are using?

[QUOTE=Thedman;1968316]Thanks Juice. I got called out for paying too much. I researched a lot before my trip. A lot!

For FB girls to come to you, 150 k seemed the going rate on average. I saw this over many posts.

That's what I offered and felt for what I received, an 8+ to my place on request plus a great GFE, it was appropriate.

I guess there will always those haters who are always going to hate. Maybe $10 either way is life or death for them. Too bad for them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy;1969441]Thedman,

What are you searching for on Facebook? What are the search words you are using?[/QUOTE]Go through the reports. People will drop names. Search for them on FB. Add them as friends. Go through their friends list or see who comments on their pictures if their list is blocked. Add more friends. Keep repeating. Soon you will have a whole network of chicas!

Coming to MDE 12/14-12/18. First time in MDE. Let me know if anyone cares to show me around the mongering scene. Happy to cover the cost of food and drinks! PM me.

[QUOTE=Thedman;1968316]Thanks Juice. I got called out for paying too much. I researched a lot before my trip. A lot!

For FB girls to come to you, 150 k seemed the going rate on average. I saw this over many posts.

That's what I offered and felt for what I received, an 8+ to my place on request plus a great GFE, it was appropriate.

I guess there will always those haters who are always going to hate. Maybe $10 either way is life or death for them. Too bad for them.[/QUOTE]I can't find one post where somebody called you out for paying 150 k.

I made couple of reports in the Cartagena forum about the pro action there. Alive and healthy if you want to pick up hookers in a bar environment. Medellin was clearly different for me. Outside of the street walkers outside the liquor store in front of parque lleras, I did not see any obvious hookers walking around. I had no interest in visiting more casas, or strip clubs, and did not do the FB thing before going.

However, there's a very healthy non-pro scene (and I'm calling this non-pro because none of these women asked for money):

In El Poblado between Thursday and Saturday night I met numerous women (and men) and exchanged numbers with them. Most places will close on Sunday or Monday (or on both of these days). On a Saturday night I bar hopped and got two waitresses to give me their numbers, and I hung out with one of them Sunday which was her day off (no sex but we did dance and have drinks). The one I hung out with actually offered her number and in a weird way demanded we hang out. She was cool though. Some of these women, especially the younger ones (early 20's) are genuinely curious about extrajenors. They have boyfriends but want to sneak away on a Sunday and hang out with a foreigner to see what it's like. They'll even take photos with you to show your friends (and encourage you to bring them!) but ask you not to post the photos anywhere.

Most local men, once they get to know you, will try to hook you up with their friends or relatives if you behave like a caballero. At first I thought it was pimping but then I asked this bouncer if it's normal for him to show photos of his cousin to single men he said he's just match making. It dawned on me that drinking, dancing, and going to clubs on the weekend is perfectly normal behavior in Colombia and you're not seen as irresponsible for engaging in it. Also the men are keenly aware if you show up alone to a club, that you're looking for a girl to hang out with, haha.

All this goes with having an adequate knowledge of Spanish. I really doubt you'll get far if your Spanish isn't at a conversational level. Personally, I can mostly only speak Spanish in the present tense, but it was enough, hahaha.

Some of the downsides of El Poblado are the cops, who frisked me numerous times but I wouldn't give them a multa. A dealer later gave me props for not paying off the cops. I don't consume myself but he noticed how I stood up for myself. I really doubt the cops will ever harm a tourist if you're not doing anything wrong. They will stop and frisk you if they think you will fork over cash. Again, I was alone the entire week so I was an easy target to stop and frisk. It's this seedy underside in El Poblado that turned me off. While I get a kick out of the street vendors and always try to buy a little something each night, I found some of the touts to be super annoying. And finally, the hostels and backpackers can be annoying. Too many hostels near Parque LLeras if you ask me.

I don't claim to have a non-pro girlfriend down there, but certainly if I had spent more time in El Poblado, and put in more effort, it would have been entirely possible. I already got plenty of messages on WhatsApp asking me when I'll be back, but the biggest hurdle will be visiting regularly. All the non-pros I met would ask me numerous times when I would be back, and each time I'd say "a couple of months" they'd get a thoughtful look in their eyes like they were calculating whether it was worth being with someone they won't get to see very often.

And finally, before I went to Cartagena I let the ladies I met know that through WhatsApp. I'm pretty sure half of them told me they never saw the sea before. Which actually made me reflect for a moment.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1969574]I can't find one post where somebody called you out for paying 150 k.[/QUOTE]Here was post from Advantageous, in my trip report I said I paid 150 k plus taxi for all the girls I was with.

"No fucking joke, I was looking at the same shit bewildered. Between this guy, Thedman, and Mr. "if you have enough confidence prostitutes will take your money for sex", I'm realizing that the outpouring of cats that jacked the pussy prices in the CR and DR are making their way to MDE. Coming unexpectedly next weekend because of Castro's death fucking up my Havana trip, but I think I'll make my base La 70 this go-around. And maybe start falling back to Bogotá or Cali in the future. "

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1969664]... Some of the downsides of El Poblado are the cops, who frisked me numerous times but I wouldn't give them a multa. A dealer later gave me props for not paying off the cops. I don't consume myself but he noticed how I stood up for myself. I really doubt the cops will ever harm a tourist if you're not doing anything wrong. They will stop and frisk you if they think you will fork over cash. Again, I was alone the entire week so I was an easy target to stop and frisk. It's this seedy underside in El Poblado that turned me off. While I get a kick out of the street vendors and always try to buy a little something each night, I found some of the touts to be super annoying. And finally, the hostels and backpackers can be annoying. Too many hostels near Parque LLeras if you ask me...[/QUOTE]This is interesting to me. I have been visiting Medellin for 6 years, 3 to 6 times a year, and have never been stopped by the police. I travel alone, and I have walked many miles in Poblado, Laureles, and downtown. There is another gringo who posts on a Costa Rica board who has been stopped numerous times in San Jose, and was stopped during his first visit to Medellin. There must be a profile the police are looking for. I have seen a few gringos in Hooters in Park Lleras that I wished the police would just haul away to jail and give them an attitude adjustment session. Those managers have more patience than I have ever had.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1969826]This is interesting to me. I have been visiting Medellin for 6 years, 3 to 6 times a year, and have never been stopped by the police. I travel alone, and I have walked many miles in Poblado, Laureles, and downtown. There is another gringo who posts on a Costa Rica board who has been stopped numerous times in San Jose, and was stopped during his first visit to Medellin. There must be a profile the police are looking for. I have seen a few gringos in Hooters in Park Lleras that I wished the police would just haul away to jail and give them an attitude adjustment session. Those managers have more patience than I have ever had.[/QUOTE]If you're implying I behave suspiciously, then no. I don't do drugs. My clothes are pretty normal for Colombia (denims, shirt, and sneakers). I wasn't the only one stopped. It had nothing to do with how I looked, unless I looked like I would bribe the cops. They were just looking for multas.

EDIT:

There were two hostels and a police station on the street where I was staying so it at around 2 am you'd see cops on bikes scan people. At one point they had an actual check point where they would pat people down.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1969664]I made couple of reports in the Cartagena forum about the pro action there. Alive and healthy if you want to pick up hookers in a bar environment. Medellin was clearly different for me. Outside of the street walkers outside the liquor store in front of parque lleras, I did not see any obvious hookers walking around. I had no interest in visiting more casas, or strip clubs, and did not do the FB thing before going.

However, there's a very healthy non-pro scene (and I'm calling this non-pro because none of these women asked for money):

In El Poblado between Thursday and Saturday night I met numerous women (and men) and exchanged numbers with them. Most places will close on Sunday or Monday (or on both of these days). On a Saturday night I bar hopped and got two waitresses to give me their numbers, and I hung out with one of them Sunday which was her day off (no sex but we did dance and have drinks). The one I hung out with actually offered her number and in a weird way demanded we hang out. She was cool though. Some of these women, especially the younger ones (early 20's) are genuinely curious about extrajenors. They have boyfriends but want to sneak away on a Sunday and hang out with a foreigner to see what it's like. They'll even take photos with you to show your friends (and encourage you to bring them!) but ask you not to post the photos anywhere.

Most local men, once they get to know you, will try to hook you up with their friends or relatives if you behave like a caballero. At first I thought it was pimping but then I asked this bouncer if it's normal for him to show photos of his cousin to single men he said he's just match making. It dawned on me that drinking, dancing, and going to clubs on the weekend is perfectly normal behavior in Colombia and you're not seen as irresponsible for engaging in it. Also the men are keenly aware if you show up alone to a club, that you're looking for a girl to hang out with, haha.

All this goes with having an adequate knowledge of Spanish. I really doubt you'll get far if your Spanish isn't at a conversational level. Personally, I can mostly only speak Spanish in the present tense, but it was enough, hahaha.

Some of the downsides of El Poblado are the cops, who frisked me numerous times but I wouldn't give them a multa. A dealer later gave me props for not paying off the cops. I don't consume myself but he noticed how I stood up for myself. I really doubt the cops will ever harm a tourist if you're not doing anything wrong. They will stop and frisk you if they think you will fork over cash. Again, I was alone the entire week so I was an easy target to stop and frisk. It's this seedy underside in El Poblado that turned me off. While I get a kick out of the street vendors and always try to buy a little something each night, I found some of the touts to be super annoying. And finally, the hostels and backpackers can be annoying. Too many hostels near Parque LLeras if you ask me.

I don't claim to have a non-pro girlfriend down there, but certainly if I had spent more time in El Poblado, and put in more effort, it would have been entirely possible. I already got plenty of messages on WhatsApp asking me when I'll be back, but the biggest hurdle will be visiting regularly. All the non-pros I met would ask me numerous times when I would be back, and each time I'd say "a couple of months" they'd get a thoughtful look in their eyes like they were calculating whether it was worth being with someone they won't get to see very often.

And finally, before I went to Cartagena I let the ladies I met know that through WhatsApp. I'm pretty sure half of them told me they never saw the sea before. Which actually made me reflect for a moment.[/QUOTE]"Some of these women, especially the younger ones (early 20's) are genuinely curious about extrajenors. They have boyfriends but want to sneak away on a Sunday and hang out with a foreigner to see what it's like. They'll even take photos with you to show your friends (and encourage you to bring them!) but ask you not to post the photos anywhere. ".

From my experience with Colombianas, and especially the girls from Medellin, sometimes there is a different motive. Which is just to be taken out and shown a good time, dinner, drinks, dancing, at a gringos expense. This is all part of the game. They figure if you're a "nice guy", there's no way you'll expect to get laid on the first date. And hey, they're "good girls" so you wouldn't expect that, right? First couple of dates is just to get to know each other. At your expense. Sometimes the investment pays off eventually, sometimes not.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1969837]If you're implying I behave suspiciously, then no. I don't do drugs. My clothes are pretty normal for Colombia (denims, shirt, and sneakers). I wasn't the only one stopped. It had nothing to do with how I looked, unless I looked like I would bribe the cops. They were just looking for multas.

EDIT:

There were two hostels and a police station on the street where I was staying so it at around 2 am you'd see cops on bikes scan people. At one point they had an actual check point where they would pat people down.[/QUOTE]I did my first visit to Medellin last Oct and was stopped while walking up calle 10 to Art Hotel where I was staying about three in the afternoon. I'm a black guy that was dress in blue jeans, sketchers shoes and a button down shirtsleeve shirt. He asked for my passport which I didn't have but I did take a picture of my passport that I had on my phone. He looked it over and asked where I was staying and why I was in Medellin and I told him in my broken Spanish that I was on vacation and attending the Tucan Spanish school. He said have a good day and I continued on my way. I didn't feel offended. I just thought they were doing there job. I did see several people getting frisked around Parque Lleras during the night with hands behind their backs and legs spread type of frisk.

Lakeside.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1969837]There were two hostels and a police station on the street where I was staying so it at around 2 am you'd see cops on bikes scan people. At one point they had an actual check point where they would pat people down.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but if you are on the street at 2 am, cops are not even going to be your biggest problem. Nothing good happens after midnight, this applies to every single town on the planet.

I realize that you can be stopped at any time, but after midnight it's dangerous, between cops and criminals.

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1967806]La 70 is super nice; Energy is nearby!! Places to eat, ambience, drinks with your friends, way better than Lleras. I've got a friend in Bogota right now, he is killing it!![/QUOTE]What are chica-friendly hotels in that area because my hotel of choice seems to have upped their rates about 90% (almost doubled) for next Feb? Thanks.

BTW- I'm not looking for $100/ night hotels, more like half that, more or less.

Yo findin medellin girls on facebook is eazy. Find one, add her and her & friends, check who likes pics, go thru gringo dudes and you prob see more girls on their list to add.

Lots of these girls same ones you see at Mansion. They ok, not 9's or 10's.

Some few.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/mariela.pineda.1422[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007071257775[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/valerie.deossa[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/jessica.celis.509[/URL]

Prob with Medellin doesn't have places like in Brazil Sao Paulo where they got hot ass girls busty, ass, and all at Cafe Foto, Bomboa and tons of other places. Or in Costa Rica at Del Rey.

If you stripclub guy then you see some esperanza types at Fase Dos. O La Isla. The colombian hot ass chicas all over facebook and instagram but hard to get hold off.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100011634664924[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/wbeimarmakeup[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/laura.paladines.75[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/vanessa.velasquez.7370[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/valentina.acostap[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/david.majanacirujanoplastico1[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=960455394026695&set=ecnf.100001867300254&type=3&theater[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/nicolemodel2?fref=ts[/URL]

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy;1969441]Thedman,

What are you searching for on Facebook? What are the search words you are using?[/QUOTE]

That is pretty much the deal everywhere. There are girls who supplement their food and entertainment budgets with no intention of putting out.

[QUOTE=TheShadow2;1969856]From my experience with Colombianas, and especially the girls from Medellin, sometimes there is a different motive. Which is just to be taken out and shown a good time, dinner, drinks, dancing, at a gringos expense. This is all part of the game. They figure if you're a "nice guy", there's no way you'll expect to get laid on the first date. And hey, they're "good girls" so you wouldn't expect that, right? First couple of dates is just to get to know each other. At your expense. Sometimes the investment pays off eventually, sometimes not.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Queens35;1969953]Sorry, but if you are on the street at 2 am, cops are not even going to be your biggest problem. Nothing good happens after midnight, this applies to every single town on the planet.
[/QUOTE]Then good luck in El Poblado, Medellin. Week days the bars close at 2 am, and weekends it's 4 am. Weekends don't expect much action until at least past 9 pm. The centro casas are open early though if that is what you're looking for.

As for your other post, I doubt you'll find sub $100 rooms in chica friendly hotels or less than $100 a night for an apartment between December and April. El Poblado apartments seem booked well in advance and there appears to be high demand. If it's your first time in Medellin I advise you to stay in El Poblado. The La Provenza area is pretty nice and quiet and only a few minutes walk to Parque Lleras.

[QUOTE=Lakeside1;1969900]I did my first visit to Medellin last Oct and was stopped while walking up calle 10 to Art Hotel where I was staying about three in the afternoon. I'm a black guy that was dress in blue jeans, sketchers shoes and a button down shirtsleeve shirt. He asked for my passport which I didn't have but I did take a picture of my passport that I had on my phone. He looked it over and asked where I was staying and why I was in Medellin and I told him in my broken Spanish that I was on vacation and attending the Tucan Spanish school. He said have a good day and I continued on my way. I didn't feel offended. I just thought they were doing there job. I did see several people getting frisked around Parque Lleras during the night with hands behind their backs and legs spread type of frisk.

Lakeside.[/QUOTE]I was stopped every other night. I wasn't offended except for the first time where the cop was clearly acting like an asshole and his partner was so embarrassed he had to look away. He kept insisting I had drugs, and even asked me to unroll my money roll. That was a big indicator that he wanted a multa. The other stops were mostly friendly, but I absolutely downright refused to give them a multa even when asked to give them 5 k. I smiled and shook my head. They didn't push things anymore.

I doubt any tourist will get beaten or detained during these frisks unless you're carrying contraband. Then I'm not sure what would happen. Maybe a bigger bribe to let you go.

Zero problems with cops in Cartagena. In fact they were useful there when they would help out at crosswalks to stop traffic.

Which city is best for mongering? I'm looking for something similar to San Jose Costa Rica. Hoping to find something safer and cheaper.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1970024]Yo findin medellin girls on facebook is eazy. Find one, add her and her & friends, check who likes pics, go thru gringo dudes and you prob see more girls on their list to add.

Lots of these girls same ones you see at Mansion. They ok, not 9's or 10's.

Some few.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/mariela.pineda.1422[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007071257775[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/valerie.deossa[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/jessica.celis.509[/URL]

Prob with Medellin doesn't have places like in Brazil Sao Paulo where they got hot ass girls busty, ass, and all at Cafe Foto, Bomboa and tons of other places. Or in Costa Rica at Del Rey.

If you stripclub guy then you see some esperanza types at Fase Dos. O La Isla. The colombian hot ass chicas all over facebook and instagram but hard to get hold off.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100011634664924[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/wbeimarmakeup[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/laura.paladines.75[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/vanessa.velasquez.7370[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/valentina.acostap[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/david.majanacirujanoplastico1[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=960455394026695&set=ecnf.100001867300254&type=3&theater[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/nicolemodel2?fref=ts[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Queens35;1969961]What are chica-friendly hotels in that area because my hotel of choice seems to have upped their rates about 90% (almost doubled) for next Feb? Thanks.

BTW- I'm not looking for $100/ night hotels, more like half that, more or less.[/QUOTE]I have never stayed in a hotel in the Medellin area, always an apartment. There are many apartments in Laureles (near LA70) and Poblado (near Park Lleras) for under $50/ night. Look at [URL]airbnb.com[/URL]. You will not see many gringos in Laureles. Food and drinks are cheaper than in Poblado. Near Park Lleras, there will be more gringos, and more restaurants that serve US style food.

I will be there next month. I haven't reserved an apartment yet, but there are several one and two-bedroom units that are available.

As I said in an earlier post, I have never been stopped by the police in and around Medellin. About a year ago, I was downtown looking for a little mall with many stores that sell souvenirs. I had been there before with a lady friend, but did not know where it was located. It was raining very lightly. I asked a couple of policemen on a corner where that mall was located. They didn't know, but one called someone and got the address. They walked with me all the way to the mall. I offered them either 10 or 20 mil (I don't remember which). They would not take it. I know there are probably bad police personnel in every department, but I have only respect for the ones in Medellin.

I've been to Medellin twice. In December and November. Thinking of going to CTG the last week of January and then heading to MDE the first week of February. For those who know. Is this a decent time to visit? I assume that Christmas until the first week or so of January are pretty close. But would imagine that things would pick up again at the end of January. Also. I hear the weather is nice in Jan. / Feb. - is that true?

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1970319]As I said in an earlier post, I have never been stopped by the police in and around Medellin. About a year ago, I was downtown looking for a little mall with many stores that sell souvenirs. I had been there before with a lady friend, but did not know where it was located. It was raining very lightly. I asked a couple of policemen on a corner where that mall was located. They didn't know, but one called someone and got the address. They walked with me all the way to the mall. I offered them either 10 or 20 mil (I don't remember which). They would not take it. I know there are probably bad police personnel in every department, but I have only respect for the ones in Medellin.[/QUOTE]I am not much of a tipper but I always make it a point to tip housekeeping staff in hotels in which I stay. I am staying in a hotel in Poblado and one of the housekeeping staff refuses to accept a tip. Also I gave a 20 K peso tip to a chica for very good service in a Centro casa and upon exiting the room she immediately gave it to the mommie.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;1970393]I've been to Medellin twice. In December and November. Thinking of going to CTG the last week of January and then heading to MDE the first week of February. For those who know. Is this a decent time to visit? I assume that Christmas until the first week or so of January are pretty close. But would imagine that things would pick up again at the end of January. Also. I hear the weather is nice in Jan. / Feb. - is that true?[/QUOTE]February is fine in Medellin. Rainy season is October and November. I'm going to be in Cartagena last week of January too but will leave Medellin until later.

As far as I know the only thing that changes January to April is that accommodations and flights are priced higher due to being in season.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;1970393]I've been to Medellin twice. In December and November. Thinking of going to CTG the last week of January and then heading to MDE the first week of February. For those who know. Is this a decent time to visit? I assume that Christmas until the first week or so of January are pretty close. But would imagine that things would pick up again at the end of January. Also. I hear the weather is nice in Jan. / Feb. - is that true?[/QUOTE]I've been many times the 1st week of January and it's fine. OTOH The week between Christmas and NYs might be problematic.

Weather's generally great at that time. However, I've been in Mde since STurday and we've had a month' s worth of rain already. So you never know.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1970516]I am not much of a tipper but I always make it a point to tip housekeeping staff in hotels in which I stay. I am staying in a hotel in Poblado and one of the housekeeping staff refuses to accept a tip. Also I gave a 20 K peso tip to a chica for very good service in a Centro casa and upon exiting the room she immediately gave it to the mommie.[/QUOTE]I believe she has to pay a fee for the room.

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;1970259]Which city is best for mongering? I'm looking for something similar to San Jose Costa Rica. Hoping to find something safer and cheaper.[/QUOTE]Best is subjective. The closest to the Del Rey type environment is Cartagena. Although, it is cheaper than CR (at the current exchange rate. Before prices were similar), but still it is more than 2 x the price of the other 2 cities.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1966244]+1. Anybody who takes money for sex is a prepago.[/QUOTE]Talking to my girl today and the subject of hookers came up so I took it upon myself to ask. She said that a prepago is a freelance sex worker. A girl connected to an establishment is only known as a puta, where as someone working independently would be known as a prepago.

My Colombian (Bogota) Ex-Wife offers a slightly different definition. While most look down on anyone who has sex for money, there is a definite pecking order:

1) Prepago. A chica who works on occasion with a purpose (such as paying for school) and will likely stop working when the objective is accomplished. May be more inclined to find a sugar daddy.

2) No specific name given. A chica who works somewhat regularly (freelance) to pay the bills, particularly if she has kids.

3) Puta. A professional. Someone who consider this her job. May work at a casa or strip club, but may not. Probably what most of us would considered a "hardened pro. ".

I guess it's all a matter of degree and perspective.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1971246]Talking to my girl today and the subject of hookers came up so I took it upon myself to ask. She said that a prepago is a freelance sex worker. A girl connected to an establishment is only known as a puta, where as someone working independently would be known as a prepago.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;1971575]My Colombian (Bogota) Ex-Wife offers a slightly different definition. While most look down on anyone who has sex for money, there is a definite pecking order:

1) Prepago. A chica who works on occasion with a purpose (such as paying for school) and will likely stop working when the objective is accomplished. May be more inclined to find a sugar daddy.

2) No specific name given. A chica who works somewhat regularly (freelance) to pay the bills, particularly if she has kids.

3) Puta. A professional. Someone who consider this her job. May work at a casa or strip club, but may not. Probably what most of us would considered a "hardened pro. ".

I guess it's all a matter of degree and perspective.[/QUOTE]Another definition of a Prepago is kind like comparing a cut of meat. Higher quality and expensive (Internet encountered, nice body, nicely dressed) akin to a choice New York steak versus a casa or strip club / street girl akin to a chuck steak encountered in person at various venues.

Last night I was with a buddy making the rounds at "ground zero" around 9 PM which is the area around the Museum and the Church in El Centro. We were on the street to the side of the Museum where all the Sacaleros hang, came around the corner, and three girls came up to us to distract us and than a Ratero and an accomplice came from behind and tried to lift my buddy's wallet. There where a lot of girls and locals in the area but my buddy was quick on his feet and stopped the Ratero in his tracks when he felt his hand trying to get in his pocket which was covered by his shirt. My buddy yelled Poliicia and I lunged at the Ratero and his accomplice and they ran off.

You can never be too careful in this area, even if your with somebody else, and especially at night and your an obvious gringo which is the case with my buddy. It's unfortunate but I have two friends down here staying in El Centro who won't even leave their rooms at night out of fear of being robbed in El Centro after dark.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1971689]We were on the street to the side of the Museum where all the Sacaleros hang, came around the corner, and three girls came up to us to distract us and than a Ratero and an accomplice came from behind and tried to lift my buddy's wallet.[/QUOTE]Why do gringos go to other countries and carry a wallet in the street? All you need is cash, 1 piece of ID, and maybe 1 ATM card, which will all fit nicely deep into your front pocket.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1971795]Why do gringos go to other countries and carry a wallet in the street? All you need is cash, 1 piece of ID, and maybe 1 ATM card, which will all fit nicely deep into your front pocket.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. It amazes me whenever I hear of a wallet, passport, watch, purse or whatever being stolen. Why even have that stuff outside of your hotel safe? If you can't afford to lose (have it stolen) don't carry it with you!

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1971795]Why do gringos go to other countries and carry a wallet in the street? All you need is cash, 1 piece of ID, and maybe 1 ATM card, which will all fit nicely deep into your front pocket.[/QUOTE]The problem has to do with your dress style. Just having cash / ID / CC is fine if you wear tight pants. If you tuck in your shirt, you should never put anything in your back pocket. I tend to wear loose jeans. Not super baggy but loose enough to be comfortable. Whenever I sit down, especially on a sofa, everything falls out of my pockets! I also don't tuck in my shirts so it covers my pockets. I carry a chained wallet (not sticking out) and put in the minimum. Cash I will need for the day, ID, copy of passport, 1 ATM card. That I put in my front pocket, never anything in the back.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;1971575]My Colombian (Bogota) Ex-Wife offers a slightly different definition. While most look down on anyone who has sex for money, there is a definite pecking order:

1) Prepago. A chica who works on occasion with a purpose (such as paying for school) and will likely stop working when the objective is accomplished. May be more inclined to find a sugar daddy.

2) No specific name given. A chica who works somewhat regularly (freelance) to pay the bills, particularly if she has kids.

3) Puta. A professional. Someone who consider this her job. May work at a casa or strip club, but may not. Probably what most of us would considered a "hardened pro. ".

I guess it's all a matter of degree and perspective.[/QUOTE]The thing is that in Colombia sex for money is accepted (even if on the down low). They can use any excuse they want to justify doing it, but at the end of the day, they are accepting money for sex!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1971689]It's unfortunate but I have two friends down here staying in El Centro who won't even leave their rooms at night out of fear of being robbed in El Centro after dark.[/QUOTE]LMAO! It begs the question why they would even set up there to begin with?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1971795]Why do gringos go to other countries and carry a wallet in the street? All you need is cash, 1 piece of ID, and maybe 1 ATM card, which will all fit nicely deep into your front pocket.[/QUOTE]I never ever ever have an ATM card with me and carry very little cash with me along with an ID in El Centro. My ATM cards stay locked up in my apartment here. Yet their are some very stupid gringos out there.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1971848]LMAO! It begs the question why they would even set up there to begin with?[/QUOTE]The answer is because it is so cheap there. You can get a room with hot and cold running water, cable TV, and Internet for as low as $ 10 US Girls can be found that will go for as low as $ 7 US a pop, and you can get a plate of food for as low as $ 1 US from the street vendors.

Yesterday, Wednesday, I had the pleasure of hanging out with Hasideas. Very chill dude. We decided to get a little gritty and visit some casas off the beatin path. Checked out a couple that were no bueno. Settled in at Latinas over by Parque Bolivar. The lineup was good. About 4 or 5 doable chicas with a total selection of around 12. Chose Valeria. She was 19 yrs old with acorn tits, nice ass, toned and tanned. Reminded me of a girl you might see on a "College Girls Gone Wild" video. Gave an enthusiastic CBJ with deep throat which isn't saying much in my case, but was enjoyable nonetheless. The bang was heated. Really enjoyed the view as I was nailing the youngster in doggie thinking this could never happen in the States. It's always nice when the chica tugs at your ass in missionary signaling for a harder bang. Had a nice release. Price was 40 k plus a 10 k tip for half hour.

Went back to my apartment, chilled for a couple of hours, popped 10 mgs of Cialis, and powered up for some evening action. Now, this is when things got real slutty. We hit Conejitas near Parque Botero. This place is ground zero for the glue sniffing, and Zombie community of MDE. Not a place I would recommend going for a late-night walk unless your scouting talent for an upcoming Walking Dead episode. It was around 9 in the PM when we hit Conejitas. Surprisingly, there was a good 10 doable chicas with a total of around 25. What I liked about this club was the chicas were more friendly than the other clubs I've visited in the past. Who knows, maybe we were giving off a positive vibe. Immediately, the hottest chica came over to give Hasideas a big hug. Obviously, a past bang of his. The Cialis immediately kicked in as she had an absolutely smoking body! Face not so much, but who cares with those porn style tits and ass she was sportin. Unfortunately, she had to dance, and wasn't down for service til later.

We continued to hang out, and this somewhat big black girl starting giving me a shoulder massage that nearly put me in traction with her man hands. She was cute, but I wasn't interested. Later, she came back around, pulled me out of my chair, and started to gyrate her ample ass up against my Cialis fed dick. At this point, I started to do some self-analysis. While she wasn't my type, I concluded she would probably be down for a proper grunge fuck. I decided to take this Nubian Princess upstairs and confirm my hypothesis. The rooms at this place were, surprisingly, nice. I didn't bother to do any BS chit chat with this one. We undressed, and preceded to get busy. The best way to describe this chica's body would be a toned down version of Serena Williams. Real Dee cup tits with a soft bangeable ass! A tad thick, but proportioned nicely with no cellulite whatsoever. Fun fact: She was lactating. The bang was awesome! I gave her full throttle service from about 6 or 7 different positions. I had to take a break as this chica was wearing me out. As I was catching my breath, she preceded to pull her toned chocolate legs behind her head. I can't be sure, but I thought I saw her wet pink kitty wink at me. Even though I was spent, I couldn't leave this chica's pink taco unfilled. I pulled her legs to the edge of the bed, and preceded to nail her like I was entering a monastery the next day. After the dust settled, I found out her name was Andrea. Total cost was 70 k. I think I over spent by 20 k, because the 50 k I initially gave her, didn't cover the room. With that being said, I felt I got superior service for the 70 k I paid.

Late,

Judd.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1971689]Last night I was with a buddy making the rounds at "ground zero" around 9 PM which is the area around the Museum and the Church in El Centro. We were on the street to the side of the Museum where all the Sacaleros hang, came around the corner, and three girls came up to us to distract us and than a Ratero and an accomplice came from behind and tried to lift my buddy's wallet. There where a lot of girls and locals in the area but my buddy was quick on his feet and stopped the Ratero in his tracks when he felt his hand trying to get in his pocket which was covered by his shirt. My buddy yelled Poliicia and I lunged at the Ratero and his accomplice and they ran off.

You can never be too careful in this area, even if your with somebody else, and especially at night and your an obvious gringo which is the case with my buddy. It's unfortunate but I have two friends down here staying in El Centro who won't even leave their rooms at night out of fear of being robbed in El Centro after dark.[/QUOTE]A few years ago I was in that area in broad daylite and had a somewhat similar experience. I didn't have a wallet but put the cash in my right FRONT pocket. One dude tapped me on the shoulder while the other guy reached into my LEFT front pocket. Unfortunately for him he picked the wrong pocket and got nothing but a hankerchief. They ran off and I didn't even see what they looked like. But I'm on the same page with you guys: no wallet, no valuables, no passport, and only the minimum amount of money needed.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1971857]The answer is because it is so cheap there. You can get a room with hot and cold running water, cable TV, and Internet for as low as $ 10 US Girls can be found that will go for as low as $ 7 US a pop, and you can get a plate of food for as low as $ 1 US from the street vendors.[/QUOTE]Then I would say "You get what you pay for".

I could save money on the $1500+ rent I am paying for my apartment in a nice part of town here in the US by moving to a ghetto-ass, crime-ridden part of town and pay $350-400 bucks a month, but the cost savings don't equate to the level of danger you'd face on a day to day basis.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1971855]I never ever ever have an ATM card with me and carry very little cash with me along with an ID in El Centro. My ATM cards stay locked up in my apartment here. Yet their are some very stupid gringos out there.[/QUOTE]And I always, always, always carry my spare wallet (the other locked up, with a one of my ATM cards hidden NOT in the safe), a bit of extra cash, and the one ATM card I have that has only a couple of hundred dollars in that account. Best to be able to have the funds to bail yourself out of a jam. If it gets stollen (never has, in 30 years of travel to some funky places) so be it.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1971929]Then I would say "You get what you pay for".

I could save money on the $1500+ rent I am paying for my apartment in a nice part of town here in the US by moving to a ghetto-ass, crime-ridden part of town and pay $350-400 bucks a month, but the cost savings don't equate to the level of danger you'd face on a day to day basis.[/QUOTE]I see no comparisons between a City in the US and Medellin except the safety factor and that's it. You can still get robbed anywhere in Medellin, even in Poblado. There are lots of guys that just hit the Casa's during the day and stay in their rooms at night. Tremendous value in El Centro for those on a limited budget.

English speaking chicas in casas here are non-existent. So for any of you newbie lurkers out there you can check out Valerie at Energy. Nice face and speaks English.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1972069]English speaking chicas in casas here are non-existent. So for any of you newbie lurkers out there you can check out Valerie at Energy. Nice face and speaks English.[/QUOTE]I believe that those who go to casas do not go there to entertain conversation with the girls. Also, if they pay the basic rate, there is not much spare time to spend conversating.

My opinion is that, if a girl speaks English:
1) she has some higher education => it's unlikely she will work in a casa.
2) she has spent lots of time entertaining gringos => not exactly a fresh beginner.

My advice: learn some basic Spanish or go to some other place. Without Spanish, one CAN enjoy some good time in Medellin and Colombia, but he misses the best.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1971689]We were on the street to the side of the Museum where all the Sacaleros hang, came around the corner, and three girls came up to us to distract us and than a Ratero and an accomplice came from behind and tried to lift my buddy's wallet. .[/QUOTE]I am not surprised, and I think you had the least scaring experience one should be afraid of when carrying so much value in the Centro. That's nothing more than an attempt to steal with ability. No violence, no weapons. Yes I agree with all comments about "why one should carry so many valuable things when walking out?

If one goes walking around the Centro, especially after dark, the typical robbing technique is different: 2 or more guys approach from the back, hold the arms, while another searches the pockets. All pockets. A knife is optional but common. All takes no more than 30 seconds, then they run away. I have seen it 2 times in front of me, and the unlucky guy was a local, not a gringo.

In short: keep distance from groups of young guys, looking on front, at right, at left, and even back.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1972124]I am not surprised, and I think you had the least scaring experience one should be afraid of when carrying so much value in the Centro. That's nothing more than an attempt to steal with ability. No violence, no weapons. Yes I agree with all comments about "why one should carry so many valuabe things when walking out?

If one goes walking around the Centro, especially after dark, the typical robbing technique is different: 2 or more guys approach from the back, hold the arms, while another searches the pockets. All pockets. A knife is optional but common. All takes no more than 30 seconds, then they run away. I have seen it 2 times in front of me, and the unlucky guy was a local, not a gringo.

In short: keep distance from groups of young guys, looking on front, at right, at left, and even back.[/QUOTE]You forgot to mention that it's the "chokehold" as well that occurs, the victim wakes up on the ground with all his belongings missing. You can't be too careful and the rateros are brazen even going after a pair of gringos versus only one.

Just cleared security at MDE and they had two lines to X-Ray all the carry on bags, etc. One line was empty and the other full. The Police went through everybody's paperwork and then directed you to which line to go through to be inspected. One line had 5 police standing on the other side of the X-Ray belt. I got sent to the other line which had no police but security personnel screening everything. Since nobody wasn't in the other line I didn't give it much thought. After walking around five minutes I noticed people being sent through the first line with all the Police. They were going through everybody's carry on belongings, looking through passengers books, and opening up everything and going through their stuff with a fine tooth comb. Two of the police had clipboards and were writing down stuff as well and they seemed to be asking the passengers a lot of questions, etc. I don't know what was going on and how they decided who to screen. I didn't see any other gringos in the line. I fly into Panama City and recall on my last trip they had Panama Immigration officials checking everybody's Passports getting off the plane from Medellin and they were questioning the Colombians and others but not gringos.

This is only my opinion, it is easier to avoid this kind of thing if you don't let anyone get close enough to put their hands on you. That means avoiding crowded places where you can't move freely and staying aware of people approaching you from the side or the rear. I'm referring to Mayorista, Centro etc, especially after dark. Around Lleras / Provenza / Poblado it's not as big a deal, even at night. The sketchier the are, the more important it is to prevent people invading your personal space. We have to know this if we are going to wander around in the dark in high crime zones.

I don't display valuables (mobile phone, flashy accessories, etc.) in public places. If I want to make a call or look up something on the Internet I'll duck into a sidewalk cafeteria, order a coffee or beer (usually beer) and assess my surroundings before doing what I need to do. I haven't had problems worse than lowlifes scoping and clocking me. They tend to stand down when they realize they won't have the element of surprise. So, long story short, try not to get surprised.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;1971899]A few years ago I was in that area in broad daylite and had a somewhat similar experience. I didn't have a wallet but put the cash in my right FRONT pocket. One dude tapped me on the shoulder while the other guy reached into my LEFT front pocket. Unfortunately for him he picked the wrong pocket and got nothing but a hankerchief. They ran off and I didn't even see what they looked like. But I'm on the same page with you guys: no wallet, no valuables, no passport, and only the minimum amount of money needed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1972169]Just cleared security at MDE and they had two lines to X-Ray all the carry on bags, etc. One line was empty and the other full. The Police went through everybody's paperwork and then directed you to which line to go through to be inspected. One line had 5 police standing on the other side of the X-Ray belt. I got sent to the other line which had no police but security personnel screening everything. Since nobody wasn't in the other line I didn't give it much thought. After walking around five minutes I noticed people being sent through the first line with all the Police. They were going through everybody's carry on belongings, looking through passengers books, and opening up everything and going through their stuff with a fine tooth comb. Two of the police had clipboards and were writing down stuff as well and they seemed to be asking the passengers a lot of questions, etc. I don't know what was going on and how they decided who to screen. I didn't see any other gringos in the line. I fly into Panama City and recall on my last trip they had Panama Immigration officials checking everybody's Passports getting off the plane from Medellin and they were questioning the Colombians and others but not gringos.[/QUOTE]Yeah recently I went and they went through everything. Even turned on my laptop and re-scanned it in a machine. Bascially they are doing sweeps this time of year I think and need to put pressure on to show they are serious. You can't blame them, and I totally understand why. Just be patient and give yourself enough time at the airport. Lately all the avianca flights have been extra packed with lines. I just ususally politic it so I can cut ahead if you are persistant enough.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1972365]Yeah recently I went and they went through everything. Even turned on my laptop and re-scanned it in a machine. Bascially they are doing sweeps this time of year I think and need to put pressure on to show they are serious. You can't blame them, and I totally understand why. Just be patient and give yourself enough time at the airport. Lately all the avianca flights have been extra packed with lines. I just ususally politic it so I can cut ahead if you are persistant enough.[/QUOTE]In the last 7 years, I have flown international out of.

MDE 4 times, everytime hassles, twice full body x-rays, and then x-rayed again in panama 2 hours later when connecting thru to mexico. Once they even cut my lock and opened my checked bag before calling me into security room. 15+ times out of Bogota never a problem.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1972119]I believe that those who go to casas do not go there to entertain conversation with the girls. Also, if they pay the basic rate, there is not much spare time to spend conversating.

My opinion is that, if a girl speaks English:
1) she has some higher education => it's unlikely she will work in a casa.
2) she has spent LOTS of time entertaining gringos => not exactly a fresh beginner.

My advice: learn some basic Spanish or go to some other place. Without Spanish, one CAN enjoy some good time in Medellin and Colombia, but he misses the best.[/QUOTE]A man with the newbie lurker's interest at heart.

From Medellin Lists:

"The Secret Spa.

Here is a new one.

Carrera 70 A #43-52.5+ Masajitas. Prices: _ Tel: whatsapp: 310 645 6252. Hours: Monday to Saturday 11 am to 8 pm, Sunday 1 pm to 9 pm. [URL]http://co.mileroticos.com/masajes-er...t-spa/7095403/.[/URL]".

Went to check it out yesterday since I frequent the Setenta area. It is on the ground floor of the apt tower behind the Exito. The metal gate will be locked but the receptionist will see you to open the door. It's very basic accommodations. Four rooms and all have like a futon mattress on the floor for the action. Two chicas on duty when I was there, both doable for me. Single shower and bathroom separate from the massage rooms. 140 k for hour of full service and the dreaded 20 k multa to see and leave. I was told they have up to 4 chicas at a time. The website above as all the other details.

GF.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;1971899]A few years ago I was in that area in broad daylite and had a somewhat similar experience. I didn't have a wallet but put the cash in my right FRONT pocket. One dude tapped me on the shoulder while the other guy reached into my LEFT front pocket. Unfortunately for him he picked the wrong pocket and got nothing but a hankerchief. They ran off and I didn't even see what they looked like. But I'm on the same page with you guys: no wallet, no valuables, no passport, and only the minimum amount of money needed.[/QUOTE]Reading this and the other posts about theft attempts, this old post of mine came back to my mind, posted in the far 2012 in the Bogota thread:

[b]Cosquilleros[/b]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=1250156&viewfull=1#post1250156[/URL]

As I concluded there:
[I]Beware of cosquilleros!
(and, it does not matter if a TV is touching your cock or putting a finger in your ass, never extract your hands from your pockets) [/i]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1972119]I believe that those who go to casas do not go there to entertain conversation with the girls. Also, if they pay the basic rate, there is not much spare time to spend conversating.

My opinion is that, if a girl speaks English:
1) she has some higher education => it's unlikely she will work in a casa.
2) she has spent LOTS of time entertaining gringos => not exactly a fresh beginner.

My advice: learn some basic Spanish or go to some other place. Without Spanish, one CAN enjoy some good time in Medellin and Colombia, but he misses the best.[/QUOTE]If want to have a good time in Colombia, you can and will have a good time. Its not rocket science. But, its a learning process and its a fun one at that.

Black Page, you post a lot of opinion. But, scanning through pages of your post history, I can't see that you have posted any trip reports in recent history. Are there any recent mongering experiences you can share with us? Constant posts consisting of mere opinion and speculation simply dilutes the value of this forum. Feel free to peruse through my most recent trip reports.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1972621]If want to have a good time in Colombia, you can and will have a good time. Its not rocket science. But, its a learning process and its a fun one at that.

Black Page, you post a lot of opinion. But, scanning through pages of your post history, I can't see that you have posted any trip reports in recent history. Are there any recent mongering experiences you can share with us? Constant posts consisting of mere opinion and speculation simply dilutes the value of this forum. Feel free to peruse through my most recent trip reports.[/QUOTE]In Black Pages report he stressed the importance of Spanish speaking skills-this advice is understated here on this Forum and is great advice to the other members on this Site.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1972621]If want to have a good time in Colombia, you can and will have a good time. Its not rocket science. But, its a learning process and its a fun one at that.

Black Page, you post a lot of opinion. But, scanning through pages of your post history, I can't see that you have posted any trip reports in recent history. Are there any recent mongering experiences you can share with us? Constant posts consisting of mere opinion and speculation simply dilutes the value of this forum. Feel free to peruse through my most recent trip reports.[/QUOTE]Totally true. Anyone who does not know that you get a better experience with Spanish speaking skills in a Spanish speaking country is an utter moron. Why continue to advise morons over and overr again?

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1972621]Are there any recent mongering experiences you can share with us? [/QUOTE]
Cartagena, 4am 11 Dec 2016. Life can be good.
PS: she speaks not a single word of English

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1972621]Are there any recent mongering experiences you can share with us? [/QUOTE]Cartagena, 4 am 12 Dec 2016. Life can be good.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1972621]
Black Page, you post a lot of opinion. But, scanning through pages of your post history, I can't see that you have posted any trip reports in recent history. Are there any recent mongering experiences you can share with us? Constant posts consisting of mere opinion and speculation simply dilutes the value of this forum. Feel free to peruse through my most recent trip reports.[/QUOTE]After being on this forum for a while (I've been here since 2007), you will find yourself doing the exact same. I am in Medellin at least twice a year, but no longer make trip reports. Not because I am trying to keep all the info to myself; it's just that there is nothing new for me to say. I fly in, fuck a ton of women, then leave. Nothing different on this trip then the previous, except some new faces in the rotation. I don't do casas or strip clubs or street walkers, so nothing for me to report there either.

BUT, like Black Page, I been in this game long enough to answer any questions any newbies have on how to operate in Medellin (I think Black Page knows Cartagena as well).

It's all about context, amigo.

[QUOTE=Bart1;1972432]In the last 7 years, I have flown international out of MDE 4 times, everytime hassles, twice full body x-rays, and then x-rayed again in panama 2 hours later when connecting thru to mexico. Once they even cut my lock and opened my checked bag before calling me into security room. 15+ times out of Bogota never a problem.[/QUOTE]Last time I flew into Medellin (arrived at night) there was one military police officer photographing passengers as the left the baggage claim area. He was doing it with his cell phone and was holding it deliberately in a way to let you know that you were being photographed.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1972892]After being on this forum for a while (I've been here since 2007), you will find yourself doing the exact same. I am in Medellin at least twice a year, but no longer make trip reports. Not because I am trying to keep all the info to myself; it's just that there is nothing new for me to say. I fly in, fuck a ton of women, then leave. Nothing different on this trip then the previous, except some new faces in the rotation. I don't do casas or strip clubs or street walkers, so nothing for me to report there either.
BUT, like Black Page, I been in this game long enough to answer any questions any newbies have on how to operate in Medellin (I think Black Page knows Cartagena as well).[/QUOTE]There are times when I feel like hugging someone. You expressed it so well, so well!

Yes, I don't feel like writing reports, when they would be the same as the many previous ones, by me or others. When I experience something unusual or unprecedented, I report it.

When I wrote of the BJ on the backseat of the taxi cruising Medellin around 2am one year ago, with a girl collected from street, and even another time with the girlfriend of the driver (Diego) sitting at the front seat and accusing him to get hard for the view, I was called "Darth Veder of the night" by another veteran of this forum. LMAO. I liked that so much that I still remember the title. Thank you my friend. It was fun. I had much more fun than what I could have had in any club.

PS: Opinions, when authoritative, are [I]guidelines[/I]. Guidelines are more useful for newbies than a grey boring list of fucks. When an opinion is not considered authoritative, it can be trashed easily. No damage. Everyone is happy and gets what he wants.

PPS: Yes, ask and we will respond (just be patient if sometimes you'll get a "RTFF". Only when deserved LMAO.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1972889]Cartagena, 4am 11 Dec 2016. Life can be good.
PS: she speaks NOT A SINGLE WORD of English[/QUOTE]Quiero chuparlos! Do you ever go out during the daytime?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1972906] .... I was called "Darth Veder of the night" by another veteran of this forum. LMAO. I liked that so much that I still remember the title. ....
PPS: Yes, ask and we will respond (just be patient if sometimes you'll get a "RTFF". Only when deserverd LMAO.[/QUOTE]What is LMAO? It's not listed on the abbreviations page of this forum.

Leaving Medellin's International Airport security agents confiscated my cuticle nippers that were permitted in USA and Canada. Tools like pliers I was allowed to have in carry-on baggage in the USA could not be brought on-board a flight leaving Medellin.

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;1972932]What is LMAO? It's not listed on the abbreviations page of this forum.[/QUOTE]Laughing My Ass Off. It's a pretty common internet/text message term (at least in Westernized Societies).

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;1972933]Leaving Medellin's International Airport security agents confiscated my cuticle nippers that were permitted in USA and Canada. Tools like pliers I was allowed to have in carry-on baggage in the USA could not be brought on-board a flight leaving Medellin.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Colombia reckons they can do security theatre better than the TSA.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1972920]Quiero chuparlos! Do you ever go out during the daytime?[/QUOTE]ROFL (Rolling on Floor Laughing).

1) The pic was taken in my apartment. Therefore, the photo does not disprove I enjoy staying in room during the night and go out daytime.

2) In CTG, I wake up around 10 am-11 am, stay out typically 1 pm-7 pm, then relax, dinner after 9:30 pm, hunting after 11 pm, go back not before 3 am or 4 am. Ideally, I wish I meet a super friendly girl at Reloy, with whom I can enjoy clubbing from midnight on before going back to sleep, but I was not so lucky on my last 2 stays in CTG. The percentage of seasoned putas over beginners seems overwhelming now. This girl was a hit of good luck of almost one year ago. We are good friends now and we spent a very nice night yesterday.

The black pencil destroyed the artistic touch of this photo (yes, it's really nice without those black stripes), but it's necessary in the remote case someone might recognize the pendal and bracelet.

Does anyone know why the Medellin Mansion and / or Aussie Greg do not update their thread here any longer? And, whatever happened to Colombia Jake?

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy;1973358]Does anyone know why the Medellin Mansion and / or Aussie Greg do not update their thread here any longer? And, whatever happened to Colombia Jake?[/QUOTE]I do not know about the Mansion or Aussie Greg but Colombia Jake is presently sitting in a Colombian jail for sex trafficking (prostituting minors).

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1972906]PS: Opinions, when authoritative, are [I]guidelines[/I]. Guidelines are more useful for newbies than a grey boring list of fucks. When an opinion is not considered authoritative, it can be trashed easily. No damage. Everyone is happy and gets what he wants.[/QUOTE]I beg to differ. It is simply clutter on the forum. This forum in particular has been the butt of ridicule on another Colombia forum, I think because of the excess prattle here. Newbies get told to "RTFF", but they should not have to read back 100 pages to get a bit of meaningful info.

People who can't put up current trip reports will always have credibility issues with me. The internet is a place where too many people live vicariously and create new identities to deal with the boring state of their real lives. I've seen it happen on a variety of forums on mundane subjects ranging from mutual funds to obscure Brit rock bands.

That said, when I travel, I will report. When I have nothing new to report, I will generally STFU and get on with being productive in my real life.

WOW! I had no idea! Not cool.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1973490]I do not know about the Mansion or Aussie Greg but Colombia Jake is presently sitting in a Colombian jail for sex trafficking (prostituting minors).[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/mariana.rios.7758235[/URL]

She lives a lot in Panama City but from Colombia and should be going back there soon. Think Medellin.

[URL]http://panama.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/elite-colombian-escort-for-private-gentlemen-who-demand-the-very-best-things-in-life/2885720[/URL]

No idea price or service. But damn she got to be 8-10 rating looks / body.

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1973917]No idea price or service. But damn she got to be 8-10 rating looks / body.[/QUOTE]Big head, fake tits, fake ass. Looks like a dude.

Hello,

I'm visiting Medellin for the first time and I would like some suggestion:

1. where I can find good looking chicas that can come to my hotel. (is there any a website?

2. is there a problem finding chicas if you just speak English?

3. any information where I can find a domina service in Medellin?

Thanks.

If s / he doesn't have a dick I would do her in a heartbeat. Did anyone see the 60 Minutes segment on Colombia last Sunday? Looks like Medellin is really gets its act together as cultural and reduced-crime area according to what 60 Minutes reported. Got to put this city on my To Do list.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1973988]Big head, fake tits, fake ass. Looks like a dude.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1973917][URL]https://www.facebook.com/mariana.rios.7758235[/URL]

She lives a lot in Panama City but from Colombia and should be going back there soon. Think Medellin.

[URL]http://panama.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/elite-colombian-escort-for-private-gentlemen-who-demand-the-very-best-things-in-life/2885720[/URL]

No idea price or service. But damn she got to be 8-10 rating looks / body.[/QUOTE]Extremely high maintenance. She's telling you up front all the gifts she wants up front. I'll pass!

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1974082]Extremely high maintenance. She's telling you up front all the gifts she wants up front. I'll pass![/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;1973988]Big head, fake tits, fake ass. Looks like a dude.[/QUOTE]That was my first impression.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1973988]Big head, fake tits, fake ass. Looks like a dude.[/QUOTE]Big hands and big feet too. I think you're right.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1973988]Big head, fake tits, fake ass. Looks like a dude.[/QUOTE]When she advertises in Panama, she has a ding-a-ling. If you google search the photos, it appears they belong to a trans named Mariana Rios.

[URL]http://panama.backpage.com/en-un/TranssexualEscorts/the-most-passionate-and-sensual-young-lady-from-colombia/3188032[/URL]

[QUOTE=ImpMarian;1974064]Hello,

I'm visiting Medellin for the first time and I would like some suggestion:

1. where I can find good looking chicas that can come to my hotel. (is there any a website?

2. is there a problem finding chicas if you just speak English?

3. any information where I can find a domina service in Medellin?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]To try and answer your question simply: Medellin is a place where you go to the girls (not the other way around). Lack of Spanish didn't stop me from poking my head in strange places and getting all the poon I could handle. However, what you are looking for you will find more abundant and much easier in Berlin. Really. Yes, it will be more expensive, but I think it will be worth it. Domina? Yes, Germans appear to do that quite well. Colombians, on the other hand, seem to be challenged by the BBBJ.

[QUOTE=ImpMarian;1974064]Hello,

I'm visiting Medellin for the first time and I would like some suggestion:

1. where I can find good looking chicas that can come to my hotel. (is there any a website?

2. is there a problem finding chicas if you just speak English?

3. any information where I can find a domina service in Medellin?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Just stay here: [URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL].

The bring the girls to you. Poolside. Hotel bar at night.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1974237]To try and answer your question simply: Medellin is a place where you go to the girls (not the other way around). Lack of Spanish didn't stop me from poking my head in strange places and getting all the poon I could handle. However, what you are looking for you will find more abundant and much easier in Berlin. Really. Yes, it will be more expensive, but I think it will be worth it. Domina? Yes, Germans appear to do that quite well. Colombians, on the other hand, seem to be challenged by the BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for your answer.

Since I am for the first time in the city can you point me some place to start?

I understand about the dominas.

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[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1974331]Or because you have no contacts to begin with, because you have not mongered there in recent history, if ever. And that is why we haven't gotten any current trip reports form you, right?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1973578]This forum in particular has been the butt of ridicule on another Colombia forum, I think because of the excess prattle here. [/QUOTE]You may find this forum ridiculous, but interestingly you seem to spend quite a lot of your time every day on it.
Also, you must have an obsession for checking daily if I post anything new, from Latin America or Asia. Thanks. (Check also Batam. More to read and comment)

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1974507]You may find this forum ridiculous, but interestingly you seem to spend quite a lot of your time every day on it.
Also, you must have an obsession for checking daily if I post anything new, from Latin America or Asia. Thanks. (Check also Batam. More to read and comment)[/QUOTE]What is with that guy? He tried checking me in the Santo Domingo thread the other day. Going to say that since I am able to post on various subject matter (not that since I post a lot of incorrect info) then what I say is not believable. That shit went clear over my head.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1972892]After being on this forum for a while (I've been here since 2007), you will find yourself doing the exact same. I am in Medellin at least twice a year, but no longer make trip reports. Not because I am trying to keep all the info to myself; it's just that there is nothing new for me to say. I fly in, fuck a ton of women, then leave. Nothing different on this trip then the previous, except some new faces in the rotation. I don't do casas or strip clubs or street walkers, so nothing for me to report there either.

BUT, like Black Page, I been in this game long enough to answer any questions any newbies have on how to operate in Medellin (I think Black Page knows Cartagena as well).

It's all about context, amigo.[/QUOTE]Same here. I could have written what you wrote and it would be dead on. I no longer write reports for the same reason.

Cheers to good life. Lets see how long it lasts.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1974237]To try and answer your question simply: Medellin is a place where you go to the girls (not the other way around). Lack of Spanish didn't stop me from poking my head in strange places and getting all the poon I could handle. However, what you are looking for you will find more abundant and much easier in Berlin. Really. Yes, it will be more expensive, but I think it will be worth it. Domina? Yes, Germans appear to do that quite well. Colombians, on the other hand, seem to be challenged by the BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Colombians challenged by the BBBJ. This must be what your experiencing in the Casa's as it should never be an issue else where if you speak some Spanish. Berlin versus Medellin, interesting recommendation to say the least.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1974549]Same here. I could have written what you wrote and it would be dead on. I no longer write reports for the same reason.

Cheers to good life. Lets see how long it lasts.[/QUOTE]Point well taken. But, you aren't indulging in pointless prattle that clutters the forum and annoys other board members, either. I respect that. But, I hope you will understand if I do post a report on my mongering adventures. Each and every one. And I will try to keep the forum updated on what is open, closed and how much it costs, not to mention anything that I find and nobody has reported. Because if somebody doesn't do that on the various threads, it will quickly disintegrate into a place where bored people kill time, at no benefit to anyone.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1972892]After being on this forum for a while (I've been here since 2007), you will find yourself doing the exact same. I am in Medellin at least twice a year, but no longer make trip reports. Not because I am trying to keep all the info to myself; it's just that there is nothing new for me to say. I fly in, fuck a ton of women, then leave. Nothing different on this trip then the previous, except some new faces in the rotation. I don't do casas or strip clubs or street walkers, so nothing for me to report there either.

BUT, like Black Page, I been in this game long enough to answer any questions any newbies have on how to operate in Medellin (I think Black Page knows Cartagena as well).

It's all about context, amigo.[/QUOTE]I second (or third) this. While I give guys credit for taking the time to put together a Trip Report, it's not that valuable for me. I've been to Colombia, DR, Cuba, Brasil, etc many, many times. I get much more value from an experienced member posting about something new / notable wherever my next trip is.

Opinions and / or news from an experienced hobbyist IMO are more valuable than a report describing details of boning various chicas. For that one can go to Penthouse Forum (if it still exists).

Looking for fellow mongers to hang out with in Medellin / Bogota in January / February. I have some connections and knowledge of Medellin so I can be an asset.

Hola Dudes,

I've heard that one before. I was never able to get over the fact that I got a Cee in Creative Writing at the local JC. As a result, I've tried to liven up some of my posts in an effort to provide some comic relief for those stuck Stateside jerkin off to the latest Gianna Michaels video. Sometimes it gets a little mundane to read page after page dissecting how to properly say in Spanish "arch your back". It could be worse. I could take out my frustration by going "Prose" on ya'll since I failed miserably in my poetry class.

Speaking of mundane, here's some useless tips on riding the Metro. The Metro is a great inexpensive way to get around the city, and will usually put you within a five minute walk to all the restaurants, cafes, and bars of a given Barrio. Within the past couple of months, they have gone to using only credit card type tokens. When buying a card, looks like they max out at ten rides per card. The Poblado station seems to always have about a 10 to 20 minute wait in the line to purchase a card. Try to buy a card at some of the less busy stations such as Exposiciones, Alpujarra, or Hospital. Each ride is 2. 15 k. On the last ride, you'll be required to drop the card in the slot in order to proceed thru the turnstile. Try to avoid using the line going towards Niguia from around 5 to 7 in the PM. Super crowded, and often times, it will take two or three metros just to fight your way in. On a positive note, being crammed in like sardines is a good way to grab all the ass you want, or dicks, if that's what your into. Finally, make sure you put on your sad dreary face, and you'll fit right in.

Late,

Judd.

[QUOTE=Judd;1974625]Hola Dudes,

I've heard that one before. I was never able to get over the fact that I got a Cee in Creative Writing at the local JC. As a result, I've tried to liven up some of my posts in an effort to provide some comic relief for those stuck Stateside jerkin off to the latest Gianna Michaels video. Sometimes it gets a little mundane to read page after page dissecting how to properly say in Spanish "arch your back". It could be worse. I could take out my frustration by going "Prose" on ya'll since I failed miserably in my poetry class..[/QUOTE]Another option is to obtain a Civica card which can be loaded with as many pesos / rides that you want but can only be obtained at certain stations.

Decided to check out New Life today. Still the leader in terms of quantity. Was presented with close to 30 chicas. Had a great time. Price has gone up as follows:

15 minutes = 40 K.

30 minutes = 50 K.

45 minutes = 65 K.

1 hour = 80 K.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1974237] Lack of Spanish didn't stop me from poking my head in strange places and getting all the poon I could handle. However, what you are looking for you will find more abundant and much easier in Berlin. Colombians, on the other hand, seem to be challenged by the BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Colombians who speak English, you meant.
Learn some Spanish, and you will be able to poke your head in more interesting places (read our reports to learn where). In the meanwhile, you can keep yourself entertained in Berlin (thanks for the good hint) or in your room typing with one hand (this entertains us too).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1974534]What is with that guy? He tried checking me in the Santo Domingo thread the other day. Going to say that since I am able to post on various subject matter then what I say is not believable. That shit went clear over my head.[/QUOTE]We are here to learn, to teach, to chitchat, and also to get amused by some strange characters. Trolls can be ignored, but also can be used to have some fun.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1974921]Decided to check out New Life today. Still the leader in terms of quantity. Was presented with close to 30 chicas. Had a great time. Price has gone up as follows:

15 minutes = 40 K.

30 minutes = 50 K.

45 minutes = 65 K.

1 hour = 80 K.[/QUOTE]30 chicas! When the count gets 10 or more I always will forget the names of my top picks. How many times did I need another round of meeting the chicas and don't you know it, yes I forget again.

But 30 chicas, wow I would just pick the next one up.

TTM.

[QUOTE=Judd;1974625]Hola Dudes,

I've heard that one before. I was never able to get over the fact that I got a Cee in Creative Writing at the local JC. As a result, I've tried to liven up some of my posts in an effort to provide some comic relief for those stuck Stateside jerkin off to the latest Gianna Michaels video. Sometimes it gets a little mundane to read page after page dissecting how to properly say in Spanish "arch your back". It could be worse. I could take out my frustration by going "Prose" on ya'll since I failed miserably in my poetry class.

Speaking of mundane, here's some useless tips on riding the Metro. The Metro is a great inexpensive way to get around the city, and will usually put you within a five minute walk to all the restaurants, cafes, and bars of a given Barrio. Within the past couple of months, they have gone to using only credit card type tokens. When buying a card, looks like they max out at ten rides per card. The Poblado station seems to always have about a 10 to 20 minute wait in the line to purchase a card. Try to buy a card at some of the less busy stations such as Exposiciones, Alpujarra, or Hospital. Each ride is 2. 15 k. On the last ride, you'll be required to drop the card in the slot in order to proceed thru the turnstile. Try to avoid using the line going towards Niguia from around 5 to 7 in the PM. Super crowded, and often times, it will take two or three metros just to fight your way in. On a positive note, being crammed in like sardines is a good way to grab all the ass you want, or dicks, if that's what your into. Finally, make sure you put on your sad dreary face, and you'll fit right in.

Late,

Judd.[/QUOTE]No kidding about 5-7 PM towards Niquia and the squeeze is on. I rode that time period a few times out of necessity and unbelievably crowded.

TTM.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1974929]Colombians who speak English, you meant.[/QUOTE]No I don't think so, he was dead serious about being challenged in getting a BBBJ.

A simple solution for the non-Spanish speakers is to carry a piece of paper that says, "Chupa me sin condon" that can be shown to the girls.

Just four simple words written on a piece of paper.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1974929]Colombians who speak English, you meant.
Learn some Spanish, and you will be able to poke your head in more interesting places (read our reports to learn where). In the meanwhile, you can keep yourself entertained in Berlin (thanks for the good hint) or in your room typing with one hand (this entertains us too).

We are here to learn, to teach, to chitchat, and also to get amused by some strange characters. Trolls can be ignored, but also can be used to have some fun.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what your point is about "trolls", but I just posted a series of trip reports from Thailand. You should check them out. People keep making a big fuss over the photo of the Laotian girl I pulled in my room for a mere 800 baht.

If you look through my post history, you might also come across my trip reports from Berlin and Medellin in the past year, including names, places, and prices That said, when was the last time you actually posted a real trip report in the past year? You just wrote "read our reports to learn where", but sorting through your post history, I've haven't been able to find any actual trip reports that you have ever done. "Our reports"? As in the ones the other board members and I have posted? So, could you possibly post an actual, detailed trip report for us to learn from? Otherwise, you are just digging yourself in deeper with annoying comments like " in your room typing with one hand". I'm not sure what is supposed to be wrong with typing a trip report in my own room. But, I hope you are aren't typing your reports at work.

And for the record, the two trip reports I wrote on 12/2/16 were in the lobby of the Smart Suites on Sukhumvit Soi 11 in Bangkok, and the 12/07/16 post was typed from my room at Hotel Max on Soi Post Office in Pattaya. Going further back further, the two Medellin trip reports I posted from 4/14/16 were done on the PC in the lobby of the Hotel Plaza 70, on "La Setenta". Now, maybe you could do something to establish some credibility with this forum and actually give us trip report of some recent mongering adventure. You can type it from anywhere you want, with as many hands you have free to use.

[QUOTE=Jonesie;1956714]Thanks for coming. It was a blast. Head count came to 166.92 chicas, 74 gringos. This was my first party in Medellin, so I got stupid with the booze and bought a bunch of top shelf liquor that nobody gave a shit about. I almost shit when I saw one of the maids pouring a bunch of rum and cokes with the Zacapa XO. If the party made any money at all, it was plus or minus 100 k pesos. Which is exactly what we were going for.

I'll be honest though, at about 9:45, I was looking at 50 guys and about 6 girls and started to get a little worried. Boyd explained the dynamic and told me to chill. Towards the end, as the guys were leaving with girls, more girls were showing up, but the guys attending had leveled off. I ended up paying for a few taxis for drunk, dateless chicas to go home. Some guys are talking about doing a super bowl party, and I think I'm game. We'll see.[/QUOTE]I'll be there for super bowl. Can I get an invite?

[URL]http://www.surrogatefinder.com/Photo/surrogates_2e1bb9284ef8b887cee756cf99b97166.jpg[/URL]

[QUOTE=Vip6682;1974982][URL]http://www.surrogatefinder.com/Photo/surrogates_2e1bb9284ef8b887cee756cf99b97166.jpg[/URL][/QUOTE]Yep, Colombian, American, European, whatever.

There's not just one look, man.

They come in all shapes, sizes and color.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1974952]I'm not sure what your point is about "trolls", but I just posted a series of trip reports from Thailand. You should check them out. People keep making a big fuss over the photo of the Laotian girl I pulled in my room for a mere 800 baht.

If you look through my post history, you might also come across my trip reports from Berlin and Medellin in the past year, including names, places, and prices That said, when was the last time you actually posted a real trip report in the past year? You just wrote "read our reports to learn where", but sorting through your post history, I've haven't been able to find any actual trip reports that you have ever done. "Our reports"? As in the ones the other board members and I have posted? So, could you possibly post an actual, detailed trip report for us to learn from? Otherwise, you are just digging yourself in deeper with annoying comments like " in your room typing with one hand". I'm not sure what is supposed to be wrong with typing a trip report in my own room. But, I hope you are aren't typing your reports at work.

And for the record, the two trip reports I wrote on 12/2/16 were in the lobby of the Smart Suites on Sukhumvit Soi 11 in Bangkok, and the 12/07/16 post was typed from my room at Hotel Max on Soi Post Office in Pattaya. Going further back further, the two Medellin trip reports I posted from 4/14/16 were done on the PC in the lobby of the Hotel Plaza 70, on "La Setenta". Now, maybe you could do something to establish some credibility with this forum and actually give us trip report of some recent mongering adventure. You can type it from anywhere you want, with as many hands you have free to use.[/QUOTE]I'm interested to know, where do you prefer, Colombia or Thailand? I've been to both places and I honestly cannot decide which is better.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975135]I'm interested to know, where do you prefer, Colombia or Thailand? I've been to both places and I honestly cannot decide which is better.[/QUOTE]There's so many differences between the two places. I've always had a blast in BKK staying at the Nana Hotel and pulling girls off the street all hours of the day and night. However, given the distance I only go there when I'm in Asia visiting other countries. If Thailand was the same distance from where I live in the US as to Medellin I would go there more often. Also, the weather can be very hot and sticky. I have never felt threatened in Thailand however I have in Medellin, especially in El Centro. As far as food goes, well you can't beat the food in Thailand. As far as the women, not as pretty as the Colombians but some are very exotic and give good "smoke" which is the only word I know in Thai!

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975135]I'm interested to know, where do you prefer, Colombia or Thailand? I've been to both places and I honestly cannot decide which is better.[/QUOTE]It depends on which category of better you are going for. To me the best looking women in the world are Colombian. I just got off the plane from Santa Marta to Bogota and could not stop looking at this girl that was sitting next to me (Here is the back of her.) She was a dead ringer for Alicia Keys. If your idea of better is fun or food then Thailand would be your place.

[QUOTE=KainNYC;1974979]I'll be there for super bowl. Can I get an invite?[/QUOTE]Fair enough.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1975164]It depends on which category of better you are going for. To me the best looking women in the world are Colombian. I just got off the plane from Santa Marta to Bogota and could not stop looking at this girl that was sitting next to me (Here is the back of her.) She was a dead ringer for Alicia Keys. If your idea of better is fun or food then Thailand would be your place.[/QUOTE]I certainly second that. I am just back from Cartagena, and in no other country one can find such a number of hotties with fantastic shape, profound sweet eyes, etc. Etc. Etc. No need to elaborate further on something we all know.

Said that, still during all my week in CTG I was feeling nostalgia for Batam, Indonesia. Call me stupid for that. Flat asses? Primitive sex technique? Yes and yes. But where else in the world, if not in SEA countries, a normal Western man can feel The King of The Reign?

I am a normal decent looking man, and in Batam I often met girls who accepted to bring a friend to sleep with me just to not miss the opportunity to stay with me. Fantastic nights hugging my two girlfriends at the sides. Power of money? Yes and no. Some simply work for money (plain P4P), some asks financial help to solve problems, most ones simply expect to receive something the morning after, very few do not ask and do not expect to receive. Certainly, none of my girls in Batam (except plain WGs) ever expressed the dry concept "Yo covro 200 por una hora", which is the first thing we hear at Reloy from independent girls.

P.S.: In CTG, I had 1 or 2 girls every night, I paid from 150 (she asked 80 por un rato, but she is a special girl with a 6m baby at home and she was really good with me) to 200 for 1 shot, to 300 for all the night, or 200+200 for all the night to two girls. I was happy, yes, but still Batam in my mind.

I just returned from a four day stay in Medellin. After a couple of disappointing experiences with free lancer pick-ups from Parque Lleras, I decided to hit up Eneregy Spa, which has been my go to place on previous visits. Interjection here to say that I know there are less expensive options available. The reason I prefer Energy is that my visits to Medellin are on business so I'm tied up during the day. Unlike the cheaper casas that close at 5 or 6 pm, Energy is open until 9:30, and I like the more upscale atmosphere. Plus, for me $140 k for an hour is still a bargain. As usual the line-up was good. 9 chicas all of which were at least 8's and a few 9's. I chose Julieta, a tall thin but curvy Morena with beautiful curly hair. I was immediately hard when is saw her figure and sexy smile.

I won't go into all the juicy details except to say that she delivered awesome GFE service. I didn't ask for anal, as that isn't my thing, but nice BBBJ (first time I've gotten a non-covers BJ at Energy) and incredible FS in multiple positions. She was really into the session, particularly after I coaxed an O out of her via DATY (please spare me the lecture about going down on a casa chica; it's not my norm but may have been what earned me the BBBJ) She was practically screaming during the heat of the FS and we came almost in unison. After she cleaned me up she snuggled up against me and played with my cock while we chatted. When I noticed time was about up I headed to the shower and to my surprise she asked whether she could join me. In the shower she helped me wash up and when she noted that I was hard again she gave me a HJ until I came again. Totally unexpected!

Unfortunately it was my last night in town; otherwise I would have been back to repeat wth her the next night. Good news is that I plan to visit again soon. If she is still around I'll try for an overnight outcall.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975135]I'm interested to know, where do you prefer, Colombia or Thailand? I've been to both places and I honestly cannot decide which is better.[/QUOTE]My take:

Colombia 2.

Thailand 3.

Brazil 1 (get out, away from the tourist area and Brazil wins the Gold medal) IMO.

[QUOTE=Lion55;1975255]I just returned from a four day stay in Medellin. After a couple of disappointing experiences with free lancer pick-ups from Parque Lleras, I decided to hit up Eneregy Spa, which has been my go to place on previous visits. Interjection here to say that I know there are less expensive options available. The reason I prefer Energy is that my visits to Medellin are on business so I'm tied up during the day. Unlike the cheaper casas that close at 5 or 6 pm, Energy is open until 9:30, and I like the more upscale atmosphere. Plus, for me $140 k for an hour is still a bargain. As usual the line-up was good. 9 chicas all of which were at least 8's and a few 9's. I chose Julieta, a tall thin but curvy Morena with beautiful curly hair. I was immediately hard when is saw her figure and sexy smile.

I won't go into all the juicy details except to say that she delivered awesome GFE service. I didn't ask for anal, as that isn't my thing, but nice BBBJ (first time I've gotten a non-covers BJ at Energy) and incredible FS in multiple positions. She was really into the session, particularly after I coaxed an O out of her via DATY (please spare me the lecture about going down on a casa chica; it's not my norm but may have been what earned me the BBBJ) She was practically screaming during the heat of the FS and we came almost in unison. After she cleaned me up she snuggled up against me and played with my cock while we chatted. When I noticed time was about up I headed to the shower and to my surprise she asked whether she could join me. In the shower she helped me wash up and when she noted that I was hard again she gave me a HJ until I came again. Totally unexpected!

Unfortunately it was my last night in town; otherwise I would have been back to repeat wth her the next night. Good news is that I plan to visit again soon. If she is still around I'll try for an overnight outcall.[/QUOTE]I sessioned a Julieta at Energy week before last, she was a black woman. As far as I understand a morena is not a black woman. Unless there is another chica there named Julieta which is unlikely.

[QUOTE=Balboa;1975456]My take:

Colombia 2.

Thailand 3.

Brazil 1 (get out, away from the tourist area and Brazil wins the Gold medal) IMO.[/QUOTE]I could probably agree with Thailand being 3 and Colombia 2, probably, but in my books Brazil would be 3 as well. I rate Brazil above Colombia.

For the first time in my more than ten years of coming to Medellin I have checked into a hotel in El Centro having moved from Poblado where I always stay. I decided to spend the last few days of this trip there. The hotel's ok, fairly clean and quiet but the wifi is generally non-existent, Tripadvisor gave me no warning of this. Saturday evening, I visited a casa then a little while later had dinner and did as much work as limited wifi would allow and then decided its Saturday night let's go see what the town has to offer. For the first time I ventured into the El Centro night. Lots of people out and about, gangs of guys, groups of gals, families, couples and singles like myself. Thought to myself that with a better command of the Spanish language I would not need to monger here at all, you look at the damsels and they give you a 'buenas noches'. Garnered much eye nutrition in my jaunt through town.

No stroll through El Centro on a Saturday night would be complete without checking out the SWs, I thought, so I sauntered over to the back of Plaza Botero and boy was I surprised! There was a parade of numerous ladies of all shapes and sizes in all manner of dress and undress. These ladies would put a blush on the face of a Soi Cowboy go go girl. Some were virtually naked with all the goods of their trade exposed for the scrutiny of potential buyers. This place was way more bustling than Mayorista ever was. I took up a position with a horde of hombres just outside a club with the sign "Raudaln 3" on the faade and soaked in the show. The ages ranged from obvious late teens (not many) to 30 somethings.

I spied a tall well-built chica with the tiniest of micro minis and immediately got a serious boner. Thought to myself I'd wait awhile before making a choice. I look at her, she looks at me, I do not respond, she walks away. Then a little while later a greater temptation comes along, She has a look that I like a lot; if I saw her in a casa I would not hesitate to choose her. Tight jeans and a bikini top. I look at that face that could easily be in an American movie as some gangster's ***** and am severely tempted but boner alert ignored again. She walks away with lots of eyes following her. Then about an hour after getting there an early thirties morena who looked like she was from Andalucia, Spain dressed in normal clothes comes along. I say to myself I've had enough of a show and saunter over to her, signed the contract on the dotted lines and on to a love motel where a good time was had by all.

I was pleasantly surprised by the smorgasbord of delights that was available on the El Centro buffet line and would no doubt sample again in my next visit to Medellin.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975604]For the first time in my more than ten years of coming to Medellin I have checked into a hotel in El Centro having moved from Poblado where I always stay. I decided to spend the last few days of this trip there. The hotel's ok, fairly clean and quiet but the wifi is generally non-existent, Tripadvisor gave me no warning of this. Saturday evening, I visited a casa then a little while later had dinner and did as much work as limited wifi would allow and then decided its Saturday night let's go see what the town has to offer. For the first time I ventured into the El Centro night. Lots of people out and about, gangs of guys, groups of gals, families, couples and singles like myself. Thought to myself that with a better command of the Spanish language I would not need to monger here at all, you look at the damsels and they give you a 'buenas noches'. Garnered much eye nutrition in my jaunt through town.

No stroll through El Centro on a Saturday night would be complete without checking out the SWs, I thought, so I sauntered over to the back of Plaza Botero and boy was I surprised! There was a parade of numerous ladies of all shapes and sizes in all manner of dress and undress..[/QUOTE]Turgid you've just discovered my playground, I stay in Poblado and play in El Centro!

Suggest you stay at Premier Plaza Hotel next time, the Wi-Fi works there and it is right in the middle of what I call Ground Zero between the Church and the Museum.

Your report is a little bit misleading though, not by intention, but because El Centro is very dangerous at night, especially for an obvious gringo. Additionally, Spanish speaking skills are mandatory in dealing with the SW's and there are some gems to be found there!

Interesting, perhaps one day I'll grow a pair and try that. Maybe with a wingman. What did ya pay and what did the notel, cost? Any even briefest description of services appreciated.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975604]For the first time in my more than ten years of coming to Medellin I have checked into a hotel in El Centro having moved from Poblado where I always stay. I decided to spend the last few days of this trip there. The hotel's ok, fairly clean and quiet but the wifi is generally non-existent, Tripadvisor gave me no warning of this. Saturday evening, I visited a casa then a little while later had dinner and did as much work as limited wifi would allow and then decided its Saturday night let's go see what the town has to offer. For the first time I ventured into the El Centro night. Lots of people out and about, gangs of guys, groups of gals, families, couples and singles like myself. Thought to myself that with a better command of the Spanish language I would not need to monger here at all, you look at the damsels and they give you a 'buenas noches'. Garnered much eye nutrition in my jaunt through town.

No stroll through El Centro on a Saturday night would be complete without checking out the SWs, I thought, so I sauntered over to the back of Plaza Botero and boy was I surprised! There was a parade of numerous ladies of all shapes and sizes in all manner of dress and undress. These ladies would put a blush on the face of a Soi Cowboy go go girl. Some were virtually naked with all the goods of their trade exposed for the scrutiny of potential buyers. This place was way more bustling than Mayorista ever was. I took up a position with a horde of hombres just outside a club with the sign "Raudaln 3" on the faade and soaked in the show. The ages ranged from obvious late teens (not many) to 30 somethings.

I spied a tall well-built chica with the tiniest of micro minis and immediately got a serious boner. Thought to myself I'd wait awhile before making a choice. I look at her, she looks at me, I do not respond, she walks away. Then a little while later a greater temptation comes along, She has a look that I like a lot; if I saw her in a casa I would not hesitate to choose her. Tight jeans and a bikini top. I look at that face that could easily be in an American movie as some gangster's ***** and am severely tempted but boner alert ignored again. She walks away with lots of eyes following her. Then about an hour after getting there an early thirties morena who looked like she was from Andalucia, Spain dressed in normal clothes comes along. I say to myself I've had enough of a show and saunter over to her, signed the contract on the dotted lines and on to a love motel where a good time was had by all.

I was pleasantly surprised by the smorgasbord of delights that was available on the El Centro buffet line and would no doubt sample again in my next visit to Medellin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1975623]Your report is a little bit misleading though, not by intention, but because El Centro is very dangerous at night, especially for an obvious gringo. Additionally, Spanish speaking skills are mandatory in dealing with the SW's and there are some gems to be found there![/QUOTE]Exactly.
My first temptation, when I read Turgid's report, was to write something joking like "Hey you disclosed the secret!"
I refrained, and for the same reason you've pointed out.

The risk implied in Turgid's report is that someone, without adequate preparation or experience, may be misled and go venture to Centro at night, thinking it's easy pasture for the tourist just seeking some thrill. Beware: it is NOT for everyone. It's not Tijuana. It is NOT easy pasture. It's dangerous.

First, time. I am curious to know at what time Turgid went there. "Night" is generic. Was it at 7 pm? 9 pm? 11 pm? 1 am? Different situations.

Second, place. Did he venture also to Prado station? I doubt that. It seems he only roamed around the Raudal (the "red light district" in western slang), which is full of bars, and crowded by working girls and men till 2 am and later.
Most streets around are populated by glue sniffers and various young guys, who just wait to be lured by some easy prey. It's too easy to spot the easy prey with money in a bar, and then follow him where it's easier to deplete him of his belongings.

I walked all around at 2 am more than once, but using all my 8 eyes on four sides, never going where it was too lonely, and keeping distance from anyone in group of 2+ unless in crowded places.
Even with all my prudence, I behaved as a stupid more than once (seen ex post). I was lucky most of the times, and I was robbed anyway once in a room by a girl with small knife (yes). I have seen more than one street robbery in front of me. This is just a warning. Don't go if you don't know where you are going and you don't know what is this kind of places.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975600]I sessioned a Julieta at Energy week before last, she was a black woman. As far as I understand a morena is not a black woman. Unless there is another chica there named Julieta which is unlikely.[/QUOTE]Same Chica I believe. Judging from her hair I'd say she is mixed race, which is why I said morena rather than negra, but I may be wrong. Take Christina Millian for example. Would you call her negra or morena? I'd say the latter. Anyhow, sorry if I created any confusion.

BTW. How was your session with her?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1975623]Your report is a little bit misleading though, not by intention, but because El Centro is very dangerous at night, especially for an obvious gringo. Additionally, Spanish speaking skills are mandatory in dealing with the SW's and there are some gems to be found there![/QUOTE]I am by no means foolhardy, for example I would never enter a Rio favela at night, I also would not venture into the barrios on the hills in Medellin at night. Much has been said on this forum about the danger of El Centro at night and as a result I would not encourage any punter to do so. I certainly will. I left my hotel around 8. 00 pm and walked around town, there were many people out and about, I eventually headed towards Plaza Botero where there were also many folks, I then went towards the back and immediately saw street walkers. I was wearing a blue jeans, polo shirt and a cap with my hair tucked in. I saw a group of guys just looking at the parade and I stood among them, leaving them only to buy and replenish my Pilsen of which I had many. I can't say that no one took notice of me for there was the odd bloke that would give me a hard look and I would return with an even harder look. No doubt shit will happen if you do something stupid like pull out your phone to take photos. I can well imagine that punters are keeping this a secret because I remember the fuss that guys made about Mayorista of which I was never a fan and that area around the building entitled "Raudaln 3" of which I spoke is much better. I am mostly a daytime hobbyist but I can see myself coming here on week end nights. I got back to my hotel around midnight. Shit can happen in every country, I have been approached by aggressive morons at night in the red light district of Frankfurt. I always have a plan in place. Always appear confident and unafraid. If one guy with a knife confronts me, I will battle it out. Two or more guys with knives, one or more guys with guns, I will quickly and quietly give them what they want.

[QUOTE=Lion55;1975665]Same Chica I believe. Judging from her hair I'd say she is mixed race, which is why I said morena rather than negra, but I may be wrong. Take Christina Millian for example. Would you call her negra or morena? I'd say the latter. Anyhow, sorry if I created any confusion.

BTW. How was your session with her?[/QUOTE]I would refer to Christina Millian as mulatta not morena. However, the Julieta I sessioned was undoubtedly negra. You also described her as slim which Julieta is not. You got me wondering whether you sessioned Mia who is the tallest chica at energy and is slim with flowing hair. Mia is negra bordering on mulatta. Both were excellent lays.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975686]I am by no means foolhardy, for example I would never enter a Rio favela at night, I also would not venture into the barrios on the hills in Medellin at night. Much has been said on this forum about the danger of El Centro at night and as a result I would not encourage any punter to do so. I certainly will. I left my hotel around 8. 00 pm and walked around town, there were many people out and about, I eventually headed towards Plaza Botero where there were also many folks, I then went towards the back and immediately saw street walkers. I was wearing a blue jeans, polo shirt and a cap with my hair tucked in. I saw a group of guys just looking at the parade and I stood among them, leaving them only to buy and replenish my Pilsen of which I had many. I can't say that no one took notice of me for there was the odd bloke that would give me a hard look and I would return with an even harder look. No doubt shit will happen if you do something stupid like pull out your phone to take photos. I can well imagine that punters are keeping this a secret because I remember the fuss that guys made about Mayorista of which I was never a fan and that area around the building entitled "Raudaln 3" of which I spoke is much better. I am mostly a daytime hobbyist but I can see myself coming here on week end nights. I got back to my hotel around midnight. Shit can happen in every country, I have been approached by aggressive morons at night in the red light district of Frankfurt. I always have a plan in place. Always appear confident and unafraid. If one guy with a knife confronts me, I will battle it out. Two or more guys with knives, one or more guys with guns, I will quickly and quietly give them what they want.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post. But Centro is way more dangerous than Mayorista, which if you stay right in that area is quite safe. Centro after dark is creepy. You need to be looking around yourself at all times and even that may not be enough. I've hung around a few times at night and lived to tell about it, but I'm not so sure when I'll do it again.

I agree there are some real diamonds to be found (certainly more than Mayorista), but for most guys it's not going to be worth the risk. Unless you get off on danger, which some do.

[QUOTE=Combo;1975689]Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post. But Centro is way more dangerous than Mayorista, which if you stay right in that area is quite safe. Centro after dark is a different story. I've hung around a few times at night and lived to tell about it, but I'm not so sure I'll do it again. Yes there are some real diamonds to be found, but for most guys it's not going to be worth the risk. At least unless you get off on danger.[/QUOTE]I never suggested that Mayorista was as dangerous as Centro, what I stated was that the SWs at Centro are hotter than what I remember seeing at Mayorista.

On another note, on my way back to my hotel around midnight I saw a young European backpacker couple sleeping in a doorway to a business place, someone forgot to tell them about the dangers in Centro.

I will end by advising punters to follow their better judgement, if you do not feel safe going out into the night in El Centro, do not, take a taxi to a club and a taxi back, better to be safe than sorry.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975686]I am by no means foolhardy, for example I would never enter a Rio favela at night, I also would not venture into the barrios on the hills in Medellin at night. Much has been said on this forum about the danger of El Centro at night and as a result I would not encourage any punter to do so. I certainly will. I left my hotel around 8. 00 pm and walked around town, there were many people out and about, I eventually headed towards Plaza Botero where there were also many folks, I then went towards the back and immediately saw street walkers. I was wearing a blue jeans, polo shirt and a cap with my hair tucked in. I saw a group of guys just looking at the parade and I stood among them, leaving them only to buy and replenish my Pilsen of which I had many. I can't say that no one took notice of me for there was the odd bloke that would give me a hard look and I would return with an even harder look. No doubt shit will happen if you do something stupid like pull out your phone to take photos. I can well imagine that punters are keeping this a secret because I remember the fuss that guys made about Mayorista of which I was never a fan and that area around the building entitled "Raudaln 3" of which I spoke is much better. I am mostly a daytime hobbyist but I can see myself coming here on week end nights. I got back to my hotel around midnight. Shit can happen in every country, I have been approached by aggressive morons at night in the red light district of Frankfurt. I always have a plan in place. Always appear confident and unafraid. If one guy with a knife confronts me, I will battle it out. Two or more guys with knives, one or more guys with guns, I will quickly and quietly give them what they want.[/QUOTE]My reply was in no way an inference that you are foolhardy, but a concern that others upon reading your report might venture there not knowing the dangers that exist there.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975691]I never suggested that Mayorista was as dangerous as Centro, what I stated was that the SWs at Centro are hotter than what I remember seeing at Mayorista.

On another note, on my way back to my hotel around midnight I saw a young European backpacker couple sleeping in a doorway to a business place, someone forgot to tell them about the dangers in Centro.

I will end by advising punters to follow their better judgement, if you do not feel safe going out into the night in El Centro, do not, take a taxi to a club and a taxi back, better to be safe than sorry.[/QUOTE]Better advice, not based on "how one feels" would be for an obvious gringo (blond hair / blue eyes) not to venture out into El Centro late at night by themselves.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975688]I would refer to Christina Millian as mulatta not morena. However, the Julieta I sessioned was undoubtedly negra. You also described her as slim which Julieta is not. You got me wondering whether you sessioned Mia who is the tallest chica at energy and is slim with flowing hair. Mia is negra bordering on mulatta. Both were excellent lays.[/QUOTE]Actually I sessioned rheum both. You are right, Mia is much thinner than Julieta and also lighter skinned. Anyhow, I enjoyed them both but Julieta was exceptional.

Hello all,

I am new to the forums but I have utilized this place for other cities before. This place has been a great resource to prepare myself for trips and safety tips.

I am actually not a newbie to Medellin as I have been there actually 4 times this year. I have no issues meeting innocent girls from social media apps and getting them back to my Airbnb in the past and I will admit that I speak little to basic Spanish to these girls and strictly use a translator application.

I am not of Spanish descent, actually I am Asian and some women find that interesting. I am 30 years old and generally have no issue in attracting girls due to my unique look.

To be honest, I generally have a great time in Medellin with the girls I have arranged for my trip but this time my friend is coming with me after I have told him of all my stories yet he doesn't have the skill set to hunt for women like I have.

I think trips to casas with someone knowledgeable will expedite our process instead of rolling dice.

We are interested in seeing if anyone will show my friend and I around (preferably someone with experience and speaks Spanish) would be happy to show you a good time as well.

Worse case scenario, if someone can advise us of maybe the top 3-4 spots for newbies I will work with that as I have been crafty with the use of Uber and Google Translate in Medellin and have managed to do many things in Bogota, Medellin, and Barranquilla by myself with no assistance.

We have a Airbnb set up in the Poblado area and would love to link up with a trusted members between 12/27-1/1. Would love to share drinks and show a good time to any takers.

Please PM me and happy holidays!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1975693]My reply was in no way an inference that you are foolhardy, but a concern that others upon reading your report might venture there not knowing the dangers that exist there.[/QUOTE]Again, that was exactly my point too. If it was not clear enough, thumbs up for Turgid!

[QUOTE=Lion55;1975770]Actually I sessioned rheum both. You are right, Mia is much thinner than Julieta and also lighter skinned. Anyhow, I enjoyed them both but Julieta was exceptional.[/QUOTE]Lion55: ""I just returned from a four day stay in Medellin. After a couple of disappointing experiences with free lancer pick-ups from Parque Lleras, I decided to hit up Eneregy Spa, which has been my go to place on previous visits.. As usual the line-up was good. 9 chicas all of which were at least 8's and a few 9's. I chose Julieta, a tall thin but curvy Morena with beautiful curly hair.. Unfortunately it was my last night in town; otherwise I would have been back to repeat wth her the next night. ".

The above is quoted from your report which suggests that you made one visit to Energy. Kudos to you for sessioning both Julieta and Mia in one visit.

First off I want to say thanks Judd for being a great wingman showing me the ropes, barra ejecutiva was adventurous with the spiral stair way and New Life gave me a new life. The advice you gave me about the pricing was very helpful for a first-timer paying a little bit too much.

Now let's get into my report. I took a late flight out of my city USA And arrive in Medellin Colombia 12 am Thanksgiving morning. After clearing customs I had arranged for one of the drivers I found on YouTube (I forgot his name) to bring me to my hotel Poblado. I arrived at my hotel at 1:30 am Way before my check-in time which was at 3 pm So I try to pay to extra for early check-in but the hotel was overbooked because of the Guns and Roses concert. Almost everything was overbooked in the area but the staff was able to find room for me at Hotel Portal Central in the other side of town. CL. 85 #5225, ItagI, Medellin, Antioquia, Colombia. Be careful!

After checking in I immediately went downstairs and I spoke to the security about the nightlife in the area he volunteer to show me a bar down the street where I met me a beauty for an 1 Hour 60000 cop. After she left my room I went downstairs again to get some breakfast from a restaurant nearby then I went to sleep. I woke up around 9 am And did some touring around that area and end up linking up with another one for 40000. Did some more touring until it was time to check into my original hotel.

Hotel Dix.

I chose to stay at hotel Dix because of its price point, location, and its amenities and security. They are also chica friendly if you book your room for double occupancy which was like a $20 difference on the total price you can have one guest at a time (as many as you want per day) for free with no time limit. If you want two guest at a time the first one remains free and so is the 2nd one as long the 2nd doesn't stay over an 1 HR. If the 2nd stay longer then 1 HR theres is a one time fee of 20 dollars. If you don't go with the double occupancy option the rule is one hour free and after that 1 hour there is fee of $20 per day.

After check-in I called one of prepagos to meet me at my room. This is not a bad strategy but I do want to let you know make sure you get up to date pictures because some of them will be older with stretch marks I would recommend you do some groundwork at some of the casa or at strip clubs and set up dates from there that way you are fully aware what you getting into. Don't go crazy trying to link up with chics before you even arrived because if they know you're not in town you're not interesting to them also they will overcharge because they know you are seeking them but to each his own. I did do couple prepagos, Facebook and one from the Park Llearas they were everywhere LOL. I went to Gusto's and party with the locals and other tourists I recommend this, one girl was about to leave her boyfriend for me. All and all The most memorable time was leaving the Poblado area and going to the strip club and to the casa. I met me a silicone angel at the strip club and I loved it so much I had to arrange for her to meet up with me at my room the next day for 150 for the HR but she end up staying Longer for free. New life has Jewels everywhere for a great price. One phrase that can sum up my whole trip is I didn't have enough time I have to go back. I'll be back in February.

[QUOTE=Judd;1966882]What's up Fellas. Met up with a dude last night, and showed him Barra Ejecutiva in Centro. It was only my second time there, and the quantity + quality of chica was quite impressive. A good 40+ chicas in just about every flavor imaginable.

My buddy batted. 500 for the night. He found a good one during his first session. He went back for seconds after we hit Macaibo (prob not spelled right) next door, and apparently, she was a dud. All and all, I'd say this place has some great potential. Probably 70% of the talent at Ejecutiva are bangable. Your just going to have to put in the time to find the gems. I got that covered since I'm here til February. LOL.

Judd.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975941]Lion55: ""I just returned from a four day stay in Medellin. After a couple of disappointing experiences with free lancer pick-ups from Parque Lleras, I decided to hit up Eneregy Spa, which has been my go to place on previous visits.. As usual the line-up was good. 9 chicas all of which were at least 8's and a few 9's. I chose Julieta, a tall thin but curvy Morena with beautiful curly hair.. Unfortunately it was my last night in town; otherwise I would have been back to repeat wth her the next night. ".

The above is quoted from your report which suggests that you made one visit to Energy. Kudos to you for sessioning both Julieta and Mia in one visit.[/QUOTE]LOL. I first sessionec with Mia and then went a got a bite to eat. I returned about an hour later and couldn't resist Julieta, who hadn't been in the line up earlier but who I saw as I was coming and and I immediately became hard.

Glad you had a good time, and were able to try some other venues besides the Prepagos and Parque Lleras chicas. Have a safe Holiday, and I'll catch up with you again real soon.

Judd.

[QUOTE=OldTrack;1976119]First off I want to say thanks Judd for being a great wingman showing me the ropes, barra ejecutiva was adventurous with the spiral stair way and New Life gave me a new life. The advice you gave me about the pricing was very helpful for a first-timer paying a little bit too much.

Now let's get into my report. I took a late flight out of my city USA And arrive in Medellin Colombia 12 am Thanksgiving morning. After clearing customs I had arranged for one of the drivers I found on YouTube (I forgot his name) to bring me to my hotel Poblado. I arrived at my hotel at 1:30 am Way before my check-in time which was at 3 pm So I try to pay to extra for early check-in but the hotel was overbooked because of the Guns and Roses concert. Almost everything was overbooked in the area but the staff was able to find room for me at Hotel Portal Central in the other side of town. CL. 85 #5225, ItagI, Medellin, Antioquia, Colombia. Be careful!

After checking in I immediately went downstairs and I spoke to the security about the nightlife in the area he volunteer to show me a bar down the street where I met me a beauty for an 1 Hour 60000 cop. After she left my room I went downstairs again to get some breakfast from a restaurant nearby then I went to sleep. I woke up around 9 am And did some touring around that area and end up linking up with another one for 40000. Did some more touring until it was time to check into my original hotel.

Hotel Dix.

I chose to stay at hotel Dix because of its price point, location, and its amenities and security. They are also chica friendly if you book your room for double occupancy which was like a $20 difference on the total price you can have one guest at a time (as many as you want per day) for free with no time limit. If you want two guest at a time the first one remains free and so is the 2nd one as long the 2nd doesn't stay over an 1 HR. If the 2nd stay longer then 1 HR theres is a one time fee of 20 dollars. If you don't go with the double occupancy option the rule is one hour free and after that 1 hour there is fee of $20 per day.

After check-in I called one of prepagos to meet me at my room. This is not a bad strategy but I do want to let you know make sure you get up to date pictures because some of them will be older with stretch marks I would recommend you do some groundwork at some of the casa or at strip clubs and set up dates from there that way you are fully aware what you getting into. Don't go crazy trying to link up with chics before you even arrived because if they know you're not in town you're not interesting to them also they will overcharge because they know you are seeking them but to each his own. I did do couple prepagos, Facebook and one from the Park Llearas they were everywhere LOL. I went to Gusto's and party with the locals and other tourists I recommend this, one girl was about to leave her boyfriend for me. All and all The most memorable time was leaving the Poblado area and going to the strip club and to the casa. I met me a silicone angel at the strip club and I loved it so much I had to arrange for her to meet up with me at my room the next day for 150 for the HR but she end up staying Longer for free. New life has Jewels everywhere for a great price. One phrase that can sum up my whole trip is I didn't have enough time I have to go back. I'll be back in February.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1974278]Just stay here: [URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL].

The bring the girls to you. Poolside. Hotel bar at night.[/QUOTE]Hi MG,

Making my first trip down for Super Bowl. Have a friend who lives in Medellin and speaks some Spanish as do I. Not a ton. Thanks for the intel can you expand on your recommendation. Would really appreciate it.

Also, I'm looking at the Art Hotel in the Palladio. Do you or anyone else have any thoughts on staying here?

[QUOTE=MikeMark;1976210]Hi MG,Making my first trip down for Super Bowl. Have a friend who lives in Medellin and speaks some Spanish as do I. Not a ton. Thanks for the intel can you expand on your recommendation. Would really appreciate it.
Also, I'm looking at the Art Hotel in the Palladio. Do you or anyone else have any thoughts on staying here?[/QUOTE]Your friend should have some chica contacts, so you would not need to stay at Hotel Medellin Plaza. There is a premium built into their pricing because of the on-site chicas.

I don't know anything about the Art Hotel, but just prior to your post is a post about Hotel Dix. It appears they are chica friendly and no extra charge for one chica at a time if you book double occupancy. I plugged in some dates around the Super Bowl and it's $56 a night. It is also very close to Parque Lleras, if you want a party atmosphere. I like to watch the Super Bowl at Hooters, which is a short walk from Hotel Dix.

[QUOTE=MikeMark;1976210]Hi MG,

Making my first trip down for Super Bowl. Have a friend who lives in Medellin and speaks some Spanish as do I. Not a ton. Thanks for the intel can you expand on your recommendation. Would really appreciate it.

Also, I'm looking at the Art Hotel in the Palladio. Do you or anyone else have any thoughts on staying here?[/QUOTE]MikeMark.

I stayed at the Art hotel during my Oct trip. It is a little noisy with the hotel restaurant music and the club across the street. The music starts around 10 pm and doesn't stop until 3 am. It didn't bother me any as I was just getting in bed around 3 from partying. The hotel is in an excellent location from parque lleras, only one block over. I can't speak about them being chica friendly as I did not have one come over but I did see a few very nicely dressed women visit the hotel and go up to the rooms with a few gentlemen while sitting in the lobby.

Lakeside.

I am an old member of this forum but retired when I married a beautiful paisita I met in MDE 6 years ago. Last week I decided to visit my old mongering ways at least for a day. I booked a room at the hotel central plaza, 75 k cop x night just 3 blocks from the action, very clean and rather quiet, really good service, OK food and chica friendly, 12 k for an additional guest. I decided to go to Luna Lunera, it was early and found out they don't have any shows till after 9 pm. Well ordered a beer and the girl at the front desk asked me if I wanted a presentation, there were only 4 girls, only one that was cute for my taste, blondish hair, big ass and tits, her name is Valentina, the other ones were not my type. The girl from the reception desk quoted me 150 K for 1 hour, I couldn't take my eyes off that ass, clearly man made, but juicy all the same, I decided to have Valentina sit with me for a drink and read her vibes. She was very friendly, very touchy and chatty, after the 2nd beer I decided I was ready to see that big ass naked, we went to the reception desk to pay for the services, 150 k for an hour, 24 k for my 2 beers, 20 k for her Kaluah, 12 k for 2 rubbers, off we go to the room, we both get undressed and I start sucking those tits, and to my surprise they are natural double DS, we shower and go to the bed, start talking, my hands are exploring her ass and pussy while I lick and suck her nipples, she moans and grinds her pussy on my dick, am so hard it hurts, she tells me to lay on the bed and gets on top, puts her tits on my face and slides up and down my belly getting really close to my dick, she turns to give me a BBBJ, and I finger her pussy, it feels wet and tight, I asked her to sit on my face, I eat her pussy till she starts to tremble, she gets the rubber on and mounts me reverse cowgirl, we go at it hard, it feels really good, then we change to mish, then doggy, that's when I lose it and pop, we laid down for a bit. Then she starts to give me a massage and gives special attention to JR till he gets up again, we go at it again, CG, Reverse CG, Mish, Doggy and I pop my second with her laying on her back and me standing grabbing her legs. I go back to my hotel to nap. Earlier I had made and appointment with a lady that a friend recommended, Adriana, she is older and am not that much convinced, but my friend said I would not regret it and she quoted 100 k for 1 hour and multiple pops, we made the appointment for 9 pm she shows up 30 minutes late, I almost called it off but there she was, she is in her 40's, man made tits and ass, we go up to my room she is very pleasing and loving, DFK all the way, I had a bottle of Rum I had bought earlier and we start drinking. We get undressed she has tattoos all over, kinda turns me on, we kiss, she puts those tits on my face, I suck her nipples, puts the rubber on and mounts me and starts to work her hips, up and down, back and forth, slow and hard, change to doggy then mish, but I can't cum, we rest for a while, chat and drink more, she never stops stroking my cock, keeping me hard, kissing, then we fuck again for a few minutes, but still I can't cum, we rest and she tells me that she doesn't want to leave me like that, I asked her if we can go bare back, she says no, after a few minutes we try again, is already past the hour but she never said anything, finally she budges and says will do BBFS for 50 k more, so we go at it bare back feels so good first CG, then mish, finally doggy with me standing, I came in her ass, covered her asshole with my man juice. What a relief. We lay on the bed, finish the rum and I walk her out, she ended up staying 2 hours, total damage 170 k, that included a 20 k tip she deserved.

I want to add that I also visited Abydos 5 girls were there paid 10 k fine for the line up, there were 3 blondish girls with man made tits, 1 morena that I didn't care much for and 1 natural mulata that looked yummy, but that was after my session with Valentina so I was out of milk, I also had a couple of beers after my session with Adriana at La Raya or Mayorista how it is known in this forum and saw this gorgeous girl Dulce that I might try sooner than later, thanks for reading my post, and stay horny my friends.

[QUOTE=Lakeside1;1976594]MikeMark.

I stayed at the Art hotel during my Oct trip. It is a little noisy with the hotel restaurant music and the club across the street. The music starts around 10 pm and doesn't stop until 3 am. It didn't bother me any as I was just getting in bed around 3 from partying. The hotel is in an excellent location from parque lleras, only one block over. I can't speak about them being chica friendly as I did not have one come over but I did see a few very nicely dressed women visit the hotel and go up to the rooms with a few gentlemen while sitting in the lobby.

Lakeside.[/QUOTE]I stayed there in September, and had a girl come over on a Sunday afternoon for a few hours. They took her information, copied her cedula, but there was no extra fee. The process took about 5-10 minutes, which was a bit annoying. However, I don't know if they would allow different / multiple guests all the time.

Same process with LE Parc Hotel, which is down the street from the Art Hotel.

There is a Hotel / Apartment Thread.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2654-Medellin-Hotels-and-Rental-Apartments[/URL]

[QUOTE=MikeMark;1976210]Hi MG,

Making my first trip down for Super Bowl. Have a friend who lives in Medellin and speaks some Spanish as do I. Not a ton. Thanks for the intel can you expand on your recommendation. Would really appreciate it.

Also, I'm looking at the Art Hotel in the Palladio. Do you or anyone else have any thoughts on staying here?[/QUOTE]You probably won't be able to get a room there during super bowl weekend as the place will be booked full. If they do have a room take it. If they don't you can still go there for the Super Bowl Party. Which will give you a taste for the place.

Any advice for the newbie monger to Medellin? Am I SOL or is there anything I can do to prevent this trip from becoming a normal tourist trip?

I'm staying at the Mansion right now but understandably its pretty dead. I'm hoping more turn up later tonight but doesn't look likely.

Probably should have read the forums deeper to understand the monger dynamics during Christmas but couldn't come any other time.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Xhobbesx;1978020]Any advice for the newbie monger to Medellin? Am I SOL or is there anything I can do to prevent this trip from becoming a normal tourist trip?

I'm staying at the Mansion right now but understandably its pretty dead. I'm hoping more turn up later tonight but doesn't look likely.

Probably should have read the forums deeper to understand the monger dynamics during Christmas but couldn't come any other time.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I would expect Friday, Saturday, Christmas, Monday to be completely dead at the Mansion and pretty much so at the cento casas as well. Midweek options should improve slightly, but still probably pretty shitty till after New Years. There will always be a need for food/rent money, but the creme of the crop will be spending the money they earned and saved from the weeks prior to Christmas. They will now want to be with their family and novios. Lucky for you most chicas are not excellent at managing their budgets and find they need to work to cover the daily expenses of living.

Hook up with a more experienced monger at the Mansion and hit the cento casas Monday & Tuesday. You also have plenty of time now to read the forum to make your search missions more productive. Numbers and quality will be down, but there will still be options. My guess is your Spanish is poor to nonexistent and as such I would focus on the day time cheap centro Casa options and the mid-tier Casas: Energy, Abydos & Blue Room. (most here favor Energy). Early in the week they will probably have 3-5 chicas to present and one should at least be acceptable.

Good Luck and remember to post a little report on your success / failures. Others will be very interested to learn exactly how slim are the pickings during this time period.

XxNegrito very filthy report, and I thank you for it!

I'd say this week and the week of Easter are probably the worst weeks to be here and try to hobby. As it happens, my buddy picked.

This week to tour MDE for the first time. Took him to New Life today around 1:00 in the PM. There was at least ten dudes and only 3 chicas. Turned right around, and headed to some other casas. It was slim pickens today. Maybe it will pick up later in the week.

Judd.

Do enjoy your self.

[QUOTE=Judd;1978679]XxNegrito very filthy report, and I thank you for it!

I'd say this week and the week of Easter are probably the worst weeks to be here and try to hobby. As it happens, my buddy picked.

This week to tour MDE for the first time. Took him to New Life today around 1:00 in the PM. There was at least ten dudes and only 3 chicas. Turned right around, and headed to some other casas. It was slim pickens today. Maybe it will pick up later in the week.

Judd.[/QUOTE]

This is where having some experience and a list of chicas works. Right now I have more chicas who want to see me than I have time. I arrived tomorrow and will be there until the 5th. Some chicas are from previous visits and some are new. The chicas are out there, but trying to find them (new) at the last minute is not easy. Casas will come up with something. Strip clubs at night. But best bet is if you can find someone with experience and let them perhaps give you some recommendation. There are a lot of chicas who still need money. Either because there was too much supply and not enough demand before Christmas or because they blew their wad on gifts and now need rent money by next Monday.

[QUOTE=Judd;1978679]XxNegrito very filthy report, and I thank you for it!

I'd say this week and the week of Easter are probably the worst weeks to be here and try to hobby. As it happens, my buddy picked.

This week to tour MDE for the first time. Took him to New Life today around 1:00 in the PM. There was at least ten dudes and only 3 chicas. Turned right around, and headed to some other casas. It was slim pickens today. Maybe it will pick up later in the week.

Judd.[/QUOTE]

Hello lads,

This post is made with gratitude for the two fantastic Medellin maps that were graciously shared with me.

About me: I'm a mid 50's gringo who loves Colombian women. I've lived in Colombia for a few years and I speak Spanish OK. Spanish is spoken like a liquid so if your aren't a native Spanish speaker it can be a real challenge (at least to me.). However, some Spanish speaking ability is a must to get what Colombian girls have to offer. If you want an English speaking Colombian girl prepare to pay double or triple the price.

First off, I didn't used the maps at all. I relied upon two websites which I used prior to my trip to collect contacts.

[URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL]/ prepagos / medellin.

Co. [URL]mileroticos.com[/URL]/ escorts / antioquia /.

If the girl you contact is busy ask her about her friends, she will usually offer them to you first. With a little preparation you will have more contacts than you can use.

If the girl doesn't have whatsapp do not waste your time. Listings with only a phone number were 90% dead or an agency. Forget how pretty the picture is cause it is usually some other girl or a dead number. 95% the girls use whatsapp and they can send you their actual photo. This will also help you avoid under-age girls, whom are everywhere by the way.

OK. I stayed in an apartment a block from Parque Poblado. First thing:

Parqe Lleras has been scrubbed clean by the Police and has a constant police presence of about 25 Colombian police. Its obvious the local government wants Poblado and especially Parque LLeras clean of sex workers. Why? Well.

I was walking one evening around 9 pm and was simply going to eat. Two girls came up to me, I promptly asked to see their cedulas, they were both 20 years old with well worn cedulas that seemed real to my eye (more later). All I wanted was diner and the girls said they were hungry so I so, OK, let's go eat. Immediately two police detained me and the girls. The cops looked over the girls' cedulas and let them go free back in the park, clearly they were of age otherwise they would have been sent elsewhere. The cops detained me for quite some time and repeatedly warned me about Colombia's problem with under-age sex workers. I told the cops that I saw the girls cedulas and that the police had seen them as well and let the girls go free, so obviously they were adults. No matter, another policeman joined and lectured me more about under-age sex workers. The police then took my passport number and address where I was staying and eventually let me go. The message was clear:

"Gringo, gets your girls someplace else!

Parque Poblando has been cleaned up as well. Even at 1:00 am in the morning Parque Poblado is filled with regular Colombian teenagers chatting and drinking beer.

Parqe Poblado is all setup for Christmas and regular folk.

El Poblado, Medellin is without a doubt a very safe area to stay but one should look for girls elsewhere. In addition an El Poblado address tells the girl to raise the price so keep that in mind.

Having learned this about Poblado I began to dislike being in Poblado immediately, yes, Spanish is hard for me to understand sometimes but I speak it fine and I am accustomed to going "native" in Colombia and speaking only Spanish. The other places in Colombia I've been and lived the Colombians spoke virtually all Spanish. I'm fine with that. El Poblado was like fucking South Beach, Miami. I'm grateful for the safety that El Poblado provided but next time I will stay in Laureles.

Word of caution: [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls are everywhere in the streets and parks. Colombia will throw a gringo in prison in a second but will let ten thousand under-age girls roam the streets.

Think about that and if it is worth it to you. In addition the girl will say she is of age then later she will tell you the truth and start to black mail you for days after. Staying in a hotel protects you, since the portero will record the girl's cedula in advance of admission.

My advice is to avoid street walkers entirely, unless your thing is 40 year old women who are easy to age recognize.

Even the websites have listings for under-age girls. Demand to see the girl's cedula, if she givers you some stupid excuse why she doesn't have one, well. That means she is not 18.

OK. What about price? Obviously one must shop for value for everything but its hard to argue what price should be paid. What do you want?

A 35 year old with a tummy and has been fucked six thousand times?

A genuine 19 year old college student who has a few clients during the week?

A 20 year old college student who has given up and now fucks guys 5 or more per day?

The Colombia sex trade is like the old USA Wild West. Its a huge open market which offers endless possibilities to be robbed or find a diamond in the rough. Some girls.

Really enjoy the sex and others are harder to please due to their own body's limitations. Yep people, these are genuine women and not euro porn stars who take two dicks in their ass at the same time and fake everything. Although you are paying money, your results will vary greatly on how you treat the girl.

As far as money, I stuck with around 100 K pesos per hour plus taxi fare (to my apartment). I am very phookin picky. I want 9's or 10's. Women know their relative beauty so obviously a 9 will cost more than a 6 anywhere you go. I fucking hate talking price because in my experience, the guy who brags about never paying more than 50 K pesos, is usually.

Doing 40 year old fat girls. Whatever. There is no set rule, shop for value as always. I saw some of the girls advertising 170 K for two hours for Colombian men as a special, so I told the girls I wanted to pay that as a start. I had to go to 200 K for two hours once they saw my Poblado address. That's fine. I chose the safety and comfort of my gringo apartment over some Colombian room where who knows who will enter.

Bottom line, I had a blast and fell in love with 4 different girls. Here's a picture of one who I'll never forget.

Cheers!

Agreed. That's what I explained to my buddy. MDE is more conducive to establishing contacts with the casa and strip club chicas. I'd rather just hit a casa and get on with my day, but I see the value of having a stable of chicas to call on when your hardup. That's the great thing about MDE, there's something for just about everyone here!

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;1978708]This is where having some experience and a list of chicas works. Right now I have more chicas who want to see me than I have time. I arrived tomorrow and will be there until the 5th. Some chicas are from previous visits and some are new. The chicas are out there, but trying to find them (new) at the last minute is not easy. Casas will come up with something. Strip clubs at night. But best bet is if you can find someone with experience and let them perhaps give you some recommendation. There are a lot of chicas who still need money. Either because there was too much supply and not enough demand before Christmas or because they blew their wad on gifts and now need rent money by next Monday.[/QUOTE].

I was at New Life today and it was GREAT. About 12 chicas to choose from. Guess I went at the right time. It was about 12 noon.

I do 1 casa a day and a FB girl a day at my place. So 2 a day until I leave.

[QUOTE=Judd;1978679]XxNegrito very filthy report, and I thank you for it!

I'd say this week and the week of Easter are probably the worst weeks to be here and try to hobby. As it happens, my buddy picked.

This week to tour MDE for the first time. Took him to New Life today around 1:00 in the PM. There was at least ten dudes and only 3 chicas. Turned right around, and headed to some other casas. It was slim pickens today. Maybe it will pick up later in the week.

Judd.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nektar;1979123]Parqe Lleras has been scrubbed clean by the Police and has a constant police presence of about 25 Colombian police. Its obvious the local government wants Poblado and especially Parque LLeras clean of sex workers. Why? Well.[/QUOTE]P. que LLeras has been always full of police, since the first time I visited it many years ago.

Truth is that in the recent years the presence of WGs has been more and more evident, and this is not good at all for the local business, which aims at higher-end tourists and local youth. Local upper-class people clearly do not like to hang out in a place where obvious prostitutes are soliciting, not to mention the foreigners who approach a local sexy beauty by mistake, thinking she is on sale. Imagine the feeling of her and of her friends.

Said this, I never saw so many WGs in P. Que LLeras as the last time I went there (November). Couples and even a group of 6 pretty girls, dressed sexy as all other girls walking around with their boyfriends.

[QUOTE=Nektar;1979123]I was walking one evening around 9 pm and was simply going to eat. Two girls came up to me, I promptly asked to see their cedulas, they were both 20 years old with well worn cedulas that seemed real to my eye (more later). All I wanted was diner and the girls said they were hungry so I so, OK, let's go eat. Immediately two police detained me and the girls. [/QUOTE]You "promptly" requested the cedula to a couple of 20+ girls just to seat and have dinner...?? They must have been hungry to accept.

It's coming to my mind now, when I had to stop over for lunch at EWR or JFK airport. I wanted a simple burger with beer and the waitress requested to see my picture ID before serving the beer. :eek:
GOSH! They were so damn serious requesting the picture ID to a man clearly above 45 yo! A 70+ couple sitting next to me assured they had to show the picture ID as well. It must be an American thing, because nobody was laughing about that, while I was literally ROFL.

(Ironically enough, but just for me maybe, at least in Texas it is legal to walk in the street with a gun in evidence, but not with a bottle of beer in hand. Traveling is good, because we always see new things).

[QUOTE=Nektar;1979123]The message was clear:
"Gringo, gets your girls someplace else![/QUOTE]That is totally true.

Local authorities are doing their best, whatever they can, to discourage and push away that type of customers from clubs, restaurants and popular entertainment places.
With "that type of customers", I mean those who represent graphically the icon of the "sex tourist", that is in particular 50yo and older guys, clearly foreigners (by the face or the dress look), accompanied by a sexy young girl (hot pants and silicon-enhanced shape are a plus).

To be clear: I am not saying that such an image depicts you, but I rather say that, to keep them away, police exercises some pressure on all foreigners with a younger Colombian girl there.

[QUOTE=Nektar;1979123]In addition the girl will say she is of age then later she will tell you the truth and start to black mail you for days after. Staying in a hotel protects you, since the portero will record the girl's cedula in advance of admission.[/QUOTE]1) How could a girl blackmail you days later? Do you give her your home address? Do you give her permission to take selfies of you and her smiling on the bed?

2) Since you are so much concerned about girls looking 25 yo but being actually under the age (damn ISG censorship!), you should know that a fake cedula (or better, an [i]authentic[/i] cedula but belonging to someone else, since most photos look the same) is readily available for around 100k in Medellin. Since you like staying in a hotel and receive your girls there in your room (really uncommon in Medellin), she can come back and blackmail you.

Sorry to spoil everything, but if you have such concerns, your strategy does not make you safer.

[QUOTE=Nektar;1979123]

Parqe Lleras has been scrubbed clean by the Police and has a constant police presence of about 25 Colombian police. Its obvious the local government wants Poblado and especially Parque LLeras clean of sex workers. Why? Well.
[/QUOTE]I wrote this post back in November:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1965508&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1965508.

If there was a day where you could meet classy hookers around Parque Lleras they are long gone. I'm a bit like you in that I'll share a meal with a working girl before fucking her, and the casas and strip clubs don't cater to that type of speed.

I'd love to hear about Laureles and other places in Medellin and how the local action is there (outside of casas).

[QUOTE=Black Page;1979304]
1) How could a girl blackmail you days later? Do you give her your home address? Do you give her permission to take selfies of you and her smiling on the bed?
[/quote]

This actually happens? I always wondered why a working girl would even take a photo of herself with a customer... I remember once this one girl I was chatting with on Skype wanted me to pull out my prick during the video chat. I refused because I suspected she would take a photo and blackmail me.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1979358]This actually happens?[/QUOTE]I really doubt that!

Wasn't my post clear? As I wrote, what working girl does know the address of the customer? And even if so, how many men would allow a girl with a "Lol*ita look" to take a picture together??

BTW, I took several pix of a pretty girl I met near Reloy in CTG. She really looks the Lol-ita of the famous movie: little evil doll, fake innocent angel face, killing tits, and long braid till almost the butt. She asked me 80 k for 1 hour (the going rate in CTG is 200 k now, seldom downgradable to 150 k). She gave her best, really the best, after I counter-offered 100 k (yes, I like negative negotiation).

I am not for quickies during day time, because I like to operate at night, possibly in my room for all the night, but I could not miss such an opportunity: I almost skipped my dinner to go to Sol de las Indias around 8 pm with her before going back home after a day of walks around.

Hold on, all those with age concerns: her cedula says 21 yo, confirmed by her Facebook page (we can trust more FB than a cedula in Colombia). She has a small baby (pix on FB), but no husband. And this is the problem, not her age. Why no husband?

Because he is in jail sentenced 3 years after having attempted to rob someone with a knife. AAARGHHH...! I better be careful with her.
That is what she told me while in my arms. In her words: they went to CTG to meet some relatives, but no money for them and the baby, hence the robbery attempt, hence, after he got jailed, her work at Reloy as an alternative way to self-sustain her with the baby.

Yes, as you, I don't like just fuck-fuck-fuck. I like to know people. That's the most interesting part of travelling.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1979358]I remember once this one girl I was chatting with on Skype wanted me to pull out my prick during the video chat. I refused because I suspected she would take a photo and blackmail me.[/QUOTE]That is certainly possible. It's always a bad idea to do that, even with someone we know.

Yes, OOT because this is MDE thread and not CTG, but I think people might like a photo anyway of this 21yo girl reported below.

Please note: this is NOT the same girl of the previous tits photo
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1972889&viewfull=1#post1972889[/url]

Myself and two companions are planning in being in Medellin in early March 2017. I have been to Bangkok, Chaigmai, Vietnam, Cambodia and Bogota. Planning on Havana in February 2017. Had a great time in all places, but Bogota was a little off for me. I don't want to make the same mistakes in Medellin. I have looked at the map posted. But wondered if anyone had any suggestions for someone to show me the ropes in MDE or a possible guide. I will only be there for 3 full days and don't want to miss anything, especially the chicks.

Hello everybody,

My friends and I are in Medellin till 31st and would like to hang out with experienced mongers here and hunt in the city. If you are up please PM and we can exchange numbers.

I have read a few posts and it seems the casas for the daytime Energy and new life seem to be mentioned a lot and strip clubs.

I don't understand what prepagos are and how to get them.

So far we have been to Fases and San Diego. Fases I found something I liked, San Diego was a dud.

Cheers.

Sly

[QUOTE=SlySurfz;1979537]Hello everybody,

My friends and I are in Medellin till 31st and would like to hang out with experienced mongers here and hunt in the city. If you are up please PM and we can exchange numbers.

I have read a few posts and it seems the casas for the daytime Energy and new life seem to be mentioned a lot and strip clubs.

I don't understand what prepagos are and how to get them.

So far we have been to Fases and San Diego. Fases I found something I liked, San Diego was a dud.

Cheers.

Sly[/QUOTE]Prepagos are escorts. You get them by either calling an escort agency, or calling the escort if she's not with an agency.

There are frequent reports of escorts not using accurate pictures. Agency escorts start around 200 k per hour, independent escorts are a bit cheaper.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1979304]P. que LLeras has been ALWAYS full of police, since the first time I visited it many years ago.

To be clear: I am not saying that such an image depicts you, but I rather say that, to keep them away, police exercises some pressure on all foreigners with a younger Colombian girl there.

1) How could a girl blackmail you days later? Do you give her your home address? Do you give her permission to take selfies of you and her smiling on the bed?

2) Since you are so much concerned about girls looking 25 yo but being actually under the age (damn ISG censorship!), you should know that a fake cedula (or better, an [i]authentic[/i] cedula but belonging to someone else, since most photos look the same) is readily available for around 100k in Medellin. Since you like staying in a hotel and receive your girls there in your room (really uncommon in Medellin), she can come back and blackmail you.

Sorry to spoil everything, but if you have such concerns, your strategy does not make you safer.[/QUOTE]As I stated my post was simply an attempt to provide some information to others and offer my thanks for the map being shared with me.

I mentioned Parque Lleras and Parque Poblado since I've read many posts here about guys claiming to get women there, so it was meant as an update. Apparently you've known the truth for years. The age difference you mention with Gringos is irrelevant. For every one 50 year old that a Colombian has sex with she has sex with 5 Colombian 50 year olds. Age difference is not an issue. The point of my post was simply to clarify that Parque Lleras & Poblado are not good spots to get girls. Yes some girls are still there but its more.

Hassle than its worth considering the enormous police presence. Just my opinion.

You have no idea whatsoever what I am concerned with at its obvious you didn't read my post. You seem like a know it all type who needs to show everybody how brilliant you are.

Good for you.

As I wrote, I stayed in an apartment, which has no portero, so any girl can simply stand in front and harass someone if that person isn't cautious of who they meet. Thanks for the.

James Bond master class on fake Colombian IDs. Truth is most [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls simply don't have a cedula and try to work around that. It does not ever enter into their minds to pay 100 K for a fake one. These girls live hand to mouth. And no, all Colombian girls don't look alike so looking at their picture can be a great tool. Nothing is perfect but simply asking for a cedula is a great general rule. Obviously you are a complete genius who knows everything but you aren't there to guide all of us idiots so we need to find some way to function no matter how pathetic we may be compared to you.

I lived in Colombia in another city for two years and I do think Medellin has a bigger under-age problem, something I wanted others to know about.

Don't worry, you haven't spoiled anything. I had the best time in Medellin, it was a bit different than the other five major Colombian cities I been to so I wanted.

To post my experience since frankly I was asked to.

For everybody else here, enjoy Medellin and do be careful, it does seem to be a little different than say for example Cartagena.

Happy New Year!

Nektar.

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[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1979358] I'm a bit like you in that I'll share a meal with a working girl before fucking her, and the casas and strip clubs don't cater to that type of speed.

I remember once this one girl I was chatting with on Skype wanted me to pull out my prick during the video chat. I refused because I suspected she would take a photo and blackmail me.[/QUOTE]Yes, my experience has been that Colombian girls can offer a lot more than the simple in bed activities. The strip club or casa de chica girls are so programmed for fuck and run so I find independent girls can offer a more over-all experience. To each his own.

My little adventure with the police over a diner-date taught me that "hard work, planning & commitment" are everything. I had the best time with too many girls to count that.

I all planned out, knew them and worked out the details. The one time, I was relaxed and simply hungry for food, I spontaneously decided to be generous and offer a free meal.

It got me an unwanted session with the authorities.

Its all about hard work and focus even when one is on holiday! LOL.

Yeah man, I don't even mess with video chats or phone pictures. Look what it did for Anthony Weiner.

[QUOTE=Nektar;1979603]As I stated my post was simply an attempt to provide some information to others and.....
(......)
[/QUOTE]Please take it easy. In spite of the tone that my words might have had, I did not mean to lecture you on something you know. I apologize if you had that impression. It went beyond my intentions. Maybe also your language went beyond intentions, or so I want to believe.

The important point, which I wanted to stress, is about cedulas, which someone (also you, based on what I did read) seems to perceive as a safe protection against unwanted sex with a minor, or in case she might steal something from the room.

I don't own the Truth, but please trust me if I tell you that:

1) When a girl speaks about "cedula falsa" (fake ID), she actually means an [I]authentic[/I] cedula bought from the black market (I must slightly correct myself: 100k is the price in CTG, but I don't know in MDE) or borrowed from a friend. Yes, it is difficult to counterfeit perfectly a cedula, and in that case it would not cost just 100k. Needless to say, the poor girls you see in the streets do not even think about that. We are talking about some other class of girls.
(How do I know about the 100k? In these years I have talked to so many working girls in CTG and in MDE, from other cities, from poor barrios, working in Centro or outside, and all information is coherent in confirming the same)

2) I insist: most photos on cedulas are old, black&white, small photos, taken years before. Even the hair cut is different. If the shape of the face is not very different, it is very easy to not notice that the photo is depicting someone else (if not, how could a girl go around and enter a hotel with the cedula of someone else?)
Using the ID of someone else, or using a cedula poorly counterfeited, is not enough if a girl is checked by the Immigration Police, but certainly enough to enter a hotel or to "prove" to the client (??) that everything is ok.

In short, don't call me Genius if I express a word of caution about cedulas. However, true Geniuses can simply ignore my warning.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1979785]Using the ID of someone else, or using a cedula poorly counterfeited, is not enough if a girl is checked by the Immigration Police, but certainly enough to enter a hotel or to "prove" to the client (??) that everything is ok.[/QUOTE]The hotel clerk doesn't have to take a seat next to Colombia Jake assuming he is even still alive. He or she thus may not check the cedula as carefully. First know what a Colombian national ID looks like. Experts at detecting counterfeit money primarily focus on studying the genuine. As to the photo, what is most important is that it is well lit and has good resolution, and all the ones I have seen have color photos like those pictured here.

[URL]http://www.registraduria.gov.co/rev_electro/2011/rev_elec_ene/revista_ene2010.html[/URL]#03.

Stand in good lighting and compare the facial features of the subject with the ID photos. If you have doubts pass. The situation isn't nearly as bleak as you try to paint it. Someone listens to you they may get the idea that there's no point in bothering to check the cedula because "all faces look the same. " Wrong. It would be funny if the matter were not so serious.

[QUOTE=Nektar;1979603]

James Bond master class on fake Colombian IDs ... [/QUOTE]That was funny, LOL. 😂

[QUOTE=Nektar;1979603]

... Don't worry, you haven't spoiled anything. I had the best time in Medellin, it was a bit different than the other five major Colombian cities I been to so I wanted.

To post my experience since frankly I was asked to.

For everybody else here, enjoy Medellin and do be careful, it does seem to be a little different than say for example Cartagena.

Happy New Year!

Nektar.

[/QUOTE]Enjoyed your original post!

Thanks for the info!!

You're obviously an experienced guy.

Happy New Year! 🎉

[QUOTE=Nektar;1979123]I was walking one evening around 9 pm and was simply going to eat. Two girls came up to me, I promptly asked to see their cedulas, they were both 20 years old with well worn cedulas that seemed real to my eye (more later). All I wanted was diner and the girls said they were hungry so I so, OK, let's go eat. Immediately two police detained me and the girls. The cops looked over the girls' cedulas and let them go free back in the park, clearly they were of age otherwise they would have been sent elsewhere. The cops detained me for quite some time and repeatedly warned me about Colombia's problem with under-age sex workers. I told the cops that I saw the girls cedulas and that the police had seen them as well and let the girls go free, so obviously they were adults. No matter, another policeman joined and lectured me more about under-age sex workers. The police then took my passport number and address where I was staying and eventually let me go. The message was clear:

"Gringo, gets your girls someplace else![/QUOTE]Are you sure you were dealing with the real police, and not some fakes? It is not illegal to be in public with young girls. It is only illegal to pay them for sex. I am sponsoring two young girls there. I have been to many places with them. Malls, el centro, restaurants, dental clinic, hospital, eye clinic, taxis, metro. We have talked to the police, asking for information. The police have never questioned why they are with me.

I haven't heard of it recently, but in the past there were reports of young girls (may or may not have been 18) going to an apartment with a gringo, then their friends (fake cops) show up and shake the gringo down for a "fine".

These new guys have some serious issues. RTFF!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1979954]Where are you getting your info from? There is no law against paying for sex in Colombia. Pimping, yes; prostitution, no.[/QUOTE]

It wouldn't surprise me if that happens but its never happened to me. You really got to gage the girl.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1979932]Are you sure you were dealing with the real police, and not some fakes? It is not illegal to be in public with young girls. It is only illegal to pay them for sex. I am sponsoring two young girls there. I have been to many places with them. Malls, el centro, restaurants, dental clinic, hospital, eye clinic, taxis, metro. We have talked to the police, asking for information. The police have never questioned why they are with me.

I haven't heard of it recently, but in the past there were reports of young girls (may or may not have been 18) going to an apartment with a gringo, then their friends (fake cops) show up and shake the gringo down for a "fine".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1979954]Where are you getting your info from? There is no law against paying for sex in Colombia. Pimping, yes; prostitution, no.[/QUOTE]I believe he was saying it's only illegal to pay girls, who are under the legal age, for sex. Not that it's illegal to pay for sex.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1979785]Using the ID of someone else, or using a cedula poorly counterfeited, is not enough if a girl is checked by the Immigration Police, but certainly enough to enter a hotel or to "prove" to the client (??) that everything is ok.

In short, don't call me Genius if I express a word of caution about cedulas. However, true Geniuses can simply ignore my warning.[/QUOTE]Immigration police? There are plenty of ordinary police running around Medellin. What do the immigration authorities have to do with it?

Just something else for me to ignore.

Hola Dudes,

Decided to hit Barra Ejecutiva tonight. As I'm writing this post, I'm still in the afterglow of this session. Thursday's are usually a good night to go since the chicas working on the weekend will be there with half as many dudes. This Thursday was different due to it being right between Christmas and New Years. Normally, there's a good 15 to 20 "Stunners" out of the 50 present an accounted for. Tonight, we were looking at around 30 chicas with only a handful of stunners. I finally approached one of the hot ones. She was super cute, Bee cups, and a full ass. Asked her how much and she said 100 k. I countered with 80, and she declined. Probably a blessing in disguise as I've noticed the super hot one's at this place seem to have real attitudes. There service probably blows. I was going to leave, but wound up staying since a couple of guys from the board were on their way over. Once they got settled in, I honed in on a chica I had been eyeing earlier. I would consider her a tier two chica. Her name was Dianna (aren't they all). Asked her how much, and she said 80 k. "Dale". Forgot to mention. The place was full of dudes probably due to the holidays, and we had to wait about 10 minutes to get a room.

Diana was rather tall, had a really cute face, short black hair, floppy Cee size tits, and the obligatory round ass. Everything was real on her body. Kinda reminded me of a light skin Dominican. Initially, I thought I chose a freakin Travesi because her voice was deeper than mine. Marge Simpson came to mind when she talked. Just reminded myself to focus on the ass and not on the voice. Once we finally hit the sheets and started bangin, all I can remember her saying is, "Duro, Duro, Duro. " She was a damned slave driver! Every time I'the slow down to catch my breath, she'the slap my ass or pinch me to continue with the hard bang. Some chicas are hesitant about getting into certain positions. Not this one. She was picking the positions to ensure she'the could get rammed as hard as possible. After about ten to fifteen minutes I threw in the towel. I thought the session was finally over. However, she preceded to do a line of Coke off my leg. At that point, I knew I was in trouble. She mounted me for one more ride. We did the ole she comes down on me as I thrust up to her, and we "clash" somewhere in the middle. Most chicas love that move. After a few minutes of this, I finally had to put a stop to this madness and gave her the quit sign with my hand. Really nice to have this epic session after the last one at this place really sucked!

Late,

Judd.

Any good guides for Medellin to help find best casas and chickas.

[QUOTE=Judd;1980140]Hola Dudes,

Decided to hit Barra Ejecutiva tonight. As I'm writing this post, I'm still in the afterglow of this session. Thursday's are usually a good night to go since the chicas working on the weekend will be there with half as many dudes. This Thursday was different due to it being right between Christmas and New Years. Normally, there's a good 15 to 20 "Stunners" out of the 50 present an accounted for. Tonight, we were looking at around 30 chicas with only a handful of stunners. I finally approached one of the hot ones. She was super cute, Bee cups, and a full ass. Asked her how much and she said 100 k. I countered with 80, and she declined. Probably a blessing in disguise as I've noticed the super hot one's at this place seem to have real attitudes. There service probably blows. I was going to leave, but wound up staying since a couple of guys from the board were on their way over. Once they got settled in, I honed in on a chica I had been eyeing earlier. I would consider her a tier two chica. Her name was Dianna (aren't they all). Asked her how much, and she said 80 k. "Dale". Forgot to mention. The place was full of dudes probably due to the holidays, and we had to wait about 10 minutes to get a room..[/QUOTE]Did you come or just cry Uncle to end the punishment she was giving you?

I'm running low on cigars. I looked into having them sent directly to me in Colombia, but not sure if they would get delayed going thru customs. You can bring up to 50 cigs when traveling to Colombia. I, actually carried on around 100 of them, and didn't have any issues. The selection here in MDE is not good. You either have the shitty Colombian made cigars, or imported Cubans which run around $30 a stick. I buy from a local shop who has them imported from the DR. The size of the cigar package is pretty small at 5 in x 5 in x 5 in. Send me a PM if you can help out, and I'll have them Fedx'd to your location. I'll include a casa walking tour or buy a couple of rounds of beer for your trouble when you get here.

Thank You,

Judd.

The scene is definitely changing in Medellin. And to me it's for the better. I like that they are cracking down on illegal prostitution (defined as prostitution with minors under Colombian law). I agree that the vast majority of people who visit Medellin to tour the casa / club scene are doing so to enjoy the liberated approach to sexuality that Colombia offers. But strictly within the confines of the law which means women who are adults and have the agency to make an adult decision to engage in the transaction with you. It also has to go to respect. The fact that some gringos have come to Colombia and become the "Ugly Loud Americans" - pimping local Colombian women. Some of whom are minors. And exploiting dire economic situations that render young women vulnerable to pimping. Is an outright slap in the face to Colombian culture and rule of law.

Visiting a local casa or club is the best way to ensure compliance with the law and a stress-free experience. Most of the official spots that are discussed here (Fase II, Bar Ejec, La Isla, New Life, Energy etc.) comply with Colombian law and feature adult woman who have the free agency to monetize off of their profession. I've noticed that casas and clubs take the law very seriously both from a legal and societal standpoint.

I know this girl that was a minor last time I was there in early 2015. Now she got her boobs done and travels to cartagena all the time. That shit got crazy expensive she wants 1 millon for 3 hours. I could have had her for free or just a rumba before. You guys might know her side / ribs tattoo, big lips, glasses. Good luck getting that money. What are these golden Cuca mentalities they are getting.

Your post suggests you hangout with minors when visiting MDE. I realize you say you didn't have sex with her, but why bring up the minor thing at all with your story? Just an observation.

Late,

Judd.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1981926]I know this girl that was a minor last time I was there in early 2015. Now she got her boobs done and travels to cartagena all the time. That shit got crazy expensive she wants 1 millon for 3 hours. I could have had her for free or just a rumba before. You guys might know her side / ribs tattoo, big lips, glasses. Good luck getting that money. What are these golden Cuca mentalities they are getting.[/QUOTE]

In the next 10 days I expect to get a job offer in Medellin. I can't say much about the job, except that the work environment should be almost perfect for me. The offer is long-term, leading to residency and probable future dual citizenship.

I have no problem with down-sizing and am willing to move with a few suitcases and a few boxes of keepsakes. I'm also considering a small business to supplement my income. I also plan on an immersion course in Spanish to improve my skills.

The question is, how much is enough? Housing may be provided, or subsidized. How much of an income will be enough to get by comfortably?

I don't need a car, although a motorcycle might be nice. I don't need to go party every night, a few times per month is fine. I'm fine with cooking and going native with my diet. My main extra expenses would be traveling around Colombia and an annual return to the US for a few days.

I just don't want to accept an offer and find money too tight after I get there.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1981969]In the next 10 days I expect to get a job offer in Medellin. I can't say much about the job, except that the work environment should be almost perfect for me. The offer is long-term, leading to residency and probable future dual citizenship.

I have no problem with down-sizing and am willing to move with a few suitcases and a few boxes of keepsakes. I'm also considering a small business to supplement my income. I also plan on an immersion course in Spanish to improve my skills.

The question is, how much is enough? Housing may be provided, or subsidized. How much of an income will be enough to get by comfortably?

I don't need a car, although a motorcycle might be nice. I don't need to go party every night, a few times per month is fine. I'm fine with cooking and going native with my diet. My main extra expenses would be traveling around Colombia and an annual return to the US for a few days.

I just don't want to accept an offer and find money too tight after I get there.[/QUOTE]I think there are many better web sites for this sort of information. Just google it. Here's one example: [URL]http://www.expatexchange.com/colombia/liveincolombia.html[/URL].

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Crypton;1981976]I think there are many better web sites for this sort of information. Just google it. Here's one example: [URL]http://www.expatexchange.com/colombia/liveincolombia.html[/URL].

Good luck![/QUOTE]There are better websites, but I prefer to get a range of perspectives. A 20 year old sharing an apartment with 6 people and living on Ramen noodles might have a different answer than a 50 or 60 year old ex-pat who likes to go out for a massage once in awhile.

More perspectives allows me to make better choices.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1907815]MDE 6.30-7.4. 16.

Transportation:

I love Copa Airlines but my goodness, the 6 am departure just kills me as I have to drive 2 hrs to get to the airport in and. O. So this was a 6:49 departure time which meant to be safe I needed to be there at 4:49 am Which means I have to leave my house at 2:29 am which means I need to wake up at 1:29 am which means I can't really sleep the night before an early morning flight. So starting out worn out from the get go. Uneventful flight from MSYPTY MDE. Mansion Taxi waiting on me with my name on a placard. To easy not to go thru the Mansion Drivers. Like someone else said, and IMHO, we are at our most vulnerable coming from & going to the airport with CCs, Passport, cash & any other valuables to risk a for hire airport taxi. Split a cab with another guy that sat next to me on the plane so it was only $15 USD. On the return flight it was 75 k COP which was about $26. Again, the peace of mind was worth it to me. Never took a bus or the metro while down there because I found the taxi fares ridiculously cheap. The most I spent on a one way trip was $5. Mostly short trips to Centro, Mayorista, the cigar shop on C10, etc. A taxi from the M1 up the hill to the M2 was 5 k COP which was about $1.75 USD which was well worth it after several beers & a Piasa in tow. Apparently, 5 K COP was the minimum for getting in a cab although the meter starts at 2,700 COP I believe and doesn't get over 3500 COP from M1 to M2.

Money exchange:

Went to Oviedo Mall to the left on Poblado Ave when coming down the hill from either the M1 or M2. Exchanged $USD on Thu at the Western Union in the mall at a rate of 2850 COP to $1 US. I made the mistake of paying my M bill in USD to get the 20% discount, but little did I know, their exchange rate was 2818 to 1. After that, I relied on my Schwab card at the ATMs & got around 2843 to 1.

Room:

Room 7 at the M2 was all a guy could ask for. The A / see was to cold, I had hot water but it took about 3-4 min to warm up in the shower, mini-fridge was great for bottled water & beer. 4 towels per day was quite enough & the staff was more than adequate cleaning the room & restocking the towels. If there was noise from the other guys I didn't hear it. M2 was plenty quiet. Walking down the hill was no problem. After the 2nd or 3rd time walking up, I said to heck with that & just got a 5 k cab when I could.

Food:

Breakfast at the M2 every morning was more than filling. 2 or 3 eggs scrambled with cheese or ham (the ham looked a lot like baloney to me), a piece of toast & either pineapple or papaya had me good to go each morning. Ate at Mondongos, Calle 10, and the steak was awesome as were all the sides. One day for lunch, we went down from the M1 & to the Left on Ave. Poblado was a place called JC Deliciosa where they had an array of Arepas. I had the large Mar why Tierra Peru (26,900 COP) & the Mango Milk (6500 COP) & both were over the top awesome. The smaller arepa would have been more than adequate.

When we went to Mayorista, I had a rotisserie chicken & a bottle of some kinda of agua con gas from one of the little restaurants for about 13 k COP. It was surprisingly good. One night ate at Barbacoa Hamburgers & Beer, to the right on Ave. Poblado. Probably $15 USD or so but the burgers were big enough to make two meals out of. Very good burger & beer within a 5 min walk from the M1. Sun July 3rd for the Pool Party, they served tacos which. Well. They were tacos & filled you up. They were fine and that's all I'll say about that. Overall the food, especially in the restaurants was extremely good.

Touring / Sight seeing:

Went to Mayorista one night with a couple of ISG guys & had a good time only because I was with them. I would not have wanted to be there by myself. To many shady looking characters casing the group of gringos. I'm not a young man anymore & probably couldn't fight my way out of a paper bag anymore so I really don't care for places like that anymore. Went to Fase II after that & had a good time but no body pulled a chica from there. I promise to myself to get out more next trip.

Random thoughts:

I.

And reading more than 200 pages of the ISG forum in preparation for my first trip to MDE, several things stuck with me.

-1) The Paisas are really some of the most beautiful women in the world. There are beautiful women on every corner of the globe but my goodness, even the average ones were hot in the MDE!

-2) Some people are not happy unless they are bitching. One guy whom we ran into at Fase II was complaining about there being no skinny women. I quickly surveyed the scene & counted 6 or 7 chicas that were at least 9's & couldn't have weighed more than 47 kilos. Un-freaking-believable!! Then at breakfast he kept referring to Angeles City in the Philippines & how he could walk 20 yds out of his room & get 100 girls that weighed 90#. Well this ain't the AC Dorothy! Be glad you are here & quit bitching about how hard it is to find a spinner!

-3) Retirement. My thoughts are, if you have to rely on someone else to pay your way, or you can't afford a $3 cab ride because you can get a bus for 25 cents, then don't brag about being retired. You should have worked a little longer. You missed the lecture on what you need to retire comfortably. Although, one should not be a Mr. BigShot & throw money around like he just won the lottery, if one has to ride the bus because he can't afford a cab, get someone else to pay his way, give a girl $13 in a cesspool of an MP / casa in lieu of $50 for a comfortable 2 hour session at his apartment, etc. , etc. , etc. , then he completely missed the idea and timing of when to retire. I guess if some people didn't self-gloss, they would have no sense of worth at all. Again, Un-freaking-believable!

-4) I alluded to this in my preliminary report but will bring it up again. While most of the guys I met at the M1 & M2 were pretty cool & congenial, there were 2 that stick out in my mind as being on the other side of the coin. One was the complainer I referenced in #2) above. No need to expand to much more on this. He seemingly was blaming his inability to find a suitable Piasa on lack of available talent! Really, anybody else on the face of the planet ever have any trouble getting the hook-up in MDE with 150 K COP on their hand? I didn't think so. The other doofus I met was so proud of his Spanish that he told me he was fluent 3 times in the first 5 minutes of meeting him at breakfast one morning. Then he proceeds to start bragging about how he is about to retire in one year & he is a professor & then he says, "I'm a professor and I'm good at it! Really? You're so good that nobody except your immediate family & the students that took your class know who the fluke you are? Un-freaking-believable. You have to go down to the MDE & self gloss like a 4th grader trying to get noticed? Then, a day or two later I hear him talking to a cabbie & I'm telling you Peggy Hill from King of the Hill is 10 X more fluent than he was. Cartoon Spanish at it's finest! OK, enough of the rant. Everyone else I met was nice enough that these 2 clowns didn't ruin it for me. Are & be were as nice as could be & went out of their way to help me when they could. I couldn't ask for more pleasant owners!!

Chicas:

PM me with an email add for a detailed chica report. All I will put here is, for a first timer to MDE, I don't see how I could have done better than the Mansion girls. WOW! No wonder some guys don't ever leave the Mansion.

You can have my share of Mayorista. We saw 2 worth calling spinners & do-able. The rest were sloppy, dumpy or silicone overloaded. You can also have my share of the casas. I'll go back one more time next trip, but if the experience is similar to this trip, the savings is not worth it. Does anyone really think they change the sheets after each pop? My vote is no & that is downright F-in nasty!! The 2 I pulled seemed rushed to get back in the rotation.

I know it's long and drawn out but I wanted to put as much detail as possible so as not to be accused of not contributing!!

Until next time.

El Mechanico[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great report. It has helped me a lot while preparing for my first trip.

Two quick questions:

1. Since I plan on paying in pesos at the Mansion to take advantage of the discount offered will I be able to easily find an ATM at the airport to pull the requisite money? Some airports have ATMs everywhere while others seem to be sparse when it comes to ATMs.

2. AFAYK, is 150 k still the "general" compensation for the ladies at Casa Blanca?

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Xxnegrito;1976655]I am an old member of this forum but retired when I married a beautiful paisita I met in MDE 6 years ago. Last week I decided to visit my old mongering ways at least for a day. I booked a room at the hotel central plaza, 75 k cop x night just 3 blocks from the action, very clean and rather quiet, really good service, OK food and chica friendly, 12 k for an additional guest. I decided to go to Luna Lunera, it was early and found out they don't have any shows till after 9 pm. Well ordered a beer and the girl at the front desk asked me if I wanted a presentation, there were only 4 girls, only one that was cute for my taste, blondish hair, big ass and tits, her name is Valentina, the other ones were not my type. The girl from the reception desk quoted me 150 K for 1 hour, I couldn't take my eyes off that ass, clearly man made, but juicy all the same, I decided to have Valentina sit with me for a drink and read her vibes. She was very friendly, very touchy and chatty, after the 2nd beer I decided I was ready to see that big ass naked, we went to the reception desk to pay for the services, 150 k for an hour, 24 k for my 2 beers, 20 k for her Kaluah, 12 k for 2 rubbers, off we go to the room, we both get undressed and I start sucking those tits, and to my surprise they are natural double DS, we shower and go to the bed, start talking, my hands are exploring her ass and pussy while I lick and suck her nipples, she moans and grinds her pussy on my dick, am so hard it hurts, she tells me to lay on the bed and gets on top, puts her tits on my face and slides up and down my belly getting really close to my dick, she turns to give me a BBBJ, and I finger her pussy, it feels wet and tight, I asked her to sit on my face, I eat her pussy till she starts to tremble, she gets the rubber on and mounts me reverse cowgirl, we go at it hard, it feels really good, then we change to mish, then doggy, that's when I lose it and pop, we laid down for a bit..[/QUOTE]Having read this report I noted that bareback was on offer. Is this a regular thing on offer with a lot of the girls?

[QUOTE=Lou32;1981985]Thanks for the great report. It has helped me a lot while preparing for my first trip.

Two quick questions:

1. Since I plan on paying in pesos at the Mansion to take advantage of the discount offered will I be able to easily find an ATM at the airport to pull the requisite money? Some airports have ATMs everywhere while others seem to be sparse when it comes to ATMs.

2. AFAYK, is 150 k still the "general" compensation for the ladies at Casa Blanca?

Thanks again.[/QUOTE]1. The Mansion will allow you to pay your balance up to 72 hours after arriving. They are quite aware that most of us don't arrive to MDE with lots of pesos in our wallet. There is a Citibank ATM a couple blocks from the Mansion. There are also a few ATMs at the airport (including a Citibank). No need to do a gigantic withdrawal at the airport.

2. IMO it still is, although I'm sure we could fill up several pages discussing just this. I was just there before the holidays, and most of the girls at the Mansion I paid 150 k for short-time (and I'm pretty picky as far as looks). However, if one is easily intimidated by attractive women, they may end up paying more. The girls are experts at working your insecurities.

Some of the girls told me 200 k to which I replied "sure if I can stick it up your ass. " Surprisingly, two of them consented on this trip! Whatever you do when discussing price, keep it light-hearted. IMO you want to find a balance between being a pushover and being cheap.

[QUOTE=Combo;1982025]1. The Mansion will allow you to pay your balance up to 72 hours after arriving. They are quite aware that most of us don't arrive to MDE with lots of pesos in our wallet. There is a Citibank ATM a couple blocks from the Mansion. There are also a few ATMs at the airport (including a Citibank). No need to do a gigantic withdrawal at the airport.

2. IMO it still is, although I'm sure we could fill up several pages discussing just this. I was just there before the holidays, and most of the girls at the Mansion I paid 150 k for short-time (and I'm pretty picky as far as looks). However, if one is easily intimidated by attractive women, they may end up paying more. The girls are experts at working your insecurities.

Some of the girls told me 200 k to which I replied "sure if I can stick it up your ass. " Surprisingly, two of them consented on this trip! Whatever you do when discussing price, keep it light-hearted. IMO you want to find a balance between being a pushover and being cheap.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the excellent reply!

I figured that the girls will smell new meat on me and go for 200 k but if the vets are holding the line at 150 k I will try to do the same (in a friendly way, of course).

[QUOTE=Lou32;1982143]Thank you for the excellent reply!
I figured that the girls will smell new meat on me and go for 200 k but if the vets are holding the line at 150 k I will try to do the same (in a friendly way, of course).[/QUOTE]Hold the line, don't try to hold it. That is the general going rate at that location. So you shouldn't even consider anything higher. In fact, you can even negotiate for 120 k. I banged a girl from there for 120 during my 2nd trip there. When you go, just talk to a few girls that you like, feel them out, and have fun. The going rate is 150, so no need to talk price (unless she tries to get more or if you feel like negotiating a lower rate).

Go to some casas in centro during the afternoon too. That will really help you understand what's available and for how much! And if you are looking for action at night and the girls where you are staying act shitty, Parque Lleras is right up the street with plenty to choose from. Don't forget about Fase II. You have plenty of options.

In the Mayorista area of Medellin.

You find lots of talent for as low as COP12'000 (twelve thousand).

The girls even come to your hotel and stay until you are pleased.

Take a look at these spinners.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkmFCNvYAx0[/URL]

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1982164]Hold the line, don't try to hold it. That is the general going rate at that location. So you shouldn't even consider anything higher. In fact, you can even negotiate for 120 k. I banged a girl from there for 120 during my 2nd trip there. When you go, just talk to a few girls that you like, feel them out, and have fun. The going rate is 150, so no need to talk price (unless she tries to get more or if you feel like negotiating a lower rate).

Go to some casas in centro during the afternoon too. That will really help you understand what's available and for how much! And if you are looking for action at night and the girls where you are staying act shitty, Parque Lleras is right up the street with plenty to choose from. Don't forget about Fase II. You have plenty of options.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lou32;1981985]Thanks for the great report. It has helped me a lot while preparing for my first trip.

Two quick questions:

1. Since I plan on paying in pesos at the Mansion to take advantage of the discount offered will I be able to easily find an ATM at the airport to pull the requisite money? Some airports have ATMs everywhere while others seem to be sparse when it comes to ATMs.

2. AFAYK, is 150 k still the "general" compensation for the ladies at Casa Blanca?

Thanks again.[/QUOTE]Just got back, I was there 12/26-12/29.

-1) As stated below, the Mansion gives you 72 hrs to pay cash to take advantage of the 20% cash discount. I would pay in pesos as their exchange rate is a little lower than the ATM or the Cambio offices in the Oviedo mall. There was an ATM in the casino on 43 to the left as you walk down from the M1 (orM2) but it is no longer there or they won't let you access it, however, if you keep walking just a bit, past JC Deliciosa & Starbucks, turn left at Starbucks & walkup to the 2nd floor there is an ATM there. There was also a cop, security guard there every time I went.

-2) I paid 1 Paisa 200 k cop only because she was there waiting for me when I arrived. I had kept in touch with her & she showed up so I gave her what she asked for, 200 K. Well worth it. The rest I gave 150 k, 2 of them taxi $$ & 2 dinner because I enjoyed their company. IMO probably for a girl already on the compound, 150 K or if she comes to you by special request the next day or whatever, taxi money should be appropriate.

Hope this helps.

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1982279]Just got back, I was there 12/26-12/29.

-1) As stated below, the Mansion gives you 72 hrs to pay cash to take advantage of the 20% cash discount. I would pay in pesos as their exchange rate is a little lower than the ATM or the Cambio offices in the Oviedo mall. There was an ATM in the casino on 43 to the left as you walk down from the M1 (orM2) but it is no longer there or they won't let you access it, however, if you keep walking just a bit, past JC Deliciosa & Starbucks, turn left at Starbucks & walkup to the 2nd floor there is an ATM there. There was also a cop, security guard there every time I went.

-2) I paid 1 Paisa 200 k cop only because she was there waiting for me when I arrived. I had kept in touch with her & she showed up so I gave her what she asked for, 200 K. Well worth it. The rest I gave 150 k, 2 of them taxi $$ & 2 dinner because I enjoyed their company. IMO probably for a girl already on the compound, 150 K or if she comes to you by special request the next day or whatever, taxi money should be appropriate.

Hope this helps.

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]I am headed to MDE in March. I was in Bogotá last year. I am renting a condo so not staying at the Mansion. A couple of questions.

Can I go to the Mansion even if not staying.

What is the best way to set girls up in advance of my trip?

FYI, in order to reserve a room, you have to secure with a credit card. Your card will be charged a full night rate, and not be given the 20% discount. You can pay cash and receive the discount for the remainder of your stay, but one of those days will be a full price charge to your credit card. If there's a way around this, I was not made aware of by the staff at the desk. Not a big deal, but just wanted to give a heads up.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1982279]Just got back, I was there 12/26-12/29.

-1) As stated below, the Mansion gives you 72 hrs to pay cash to take advantage of the 20% cash discount. I would pay in pesos as their exchange rate is a little lower than the ATM or the Cambio offices in the Oviedo mall. There was an ATM in the casino on 43 to the left as you walk down from the M1 (orM2) but it is no longer there or they won't let you access it, however, if you keep walking just a bit, past JC Deliciosa & Starbucks, turn left at Starbucks & walkup to the 2nd floor there is an ATM there. There was also a cop, security guard there every time I went.

Hope this helps.

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1982164]Hold the line, don't try to hold it. That is the general going rate at that location. So you shouldn't even consider anything higher. In fact, you can even negotiate for 120 k. I banged a girl from there for 120 during my 2nd trip there. When you go, just talk to a few girls that you like, feel them out, and have fun. The going rate is 150, so no need to talk price (unless she tries to get more or if you feel like negotiating a lower rate).

Go to some casas in centro during the afternoon too. That will really help you understand what's available and for how much! And if you are looking for action at night and the girls where you are staying act shitty, Parque Lleras is right up the street with plenty to choose from. Don't forget about Fase II. You have plenty of options.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify for Lou32, you should specify the price before bringing a girl up to your room. For frequent visitors going with a girl they've been with before, this may not be necessary.

However for a first-time visitor, it's better to avoid misunderstandings.

Thanks for all of your advice, guys. The set-up at Hotel M sounds exactly like Blackbeards in the Dominican Republic so it seems familiar. As long as the girls are GFE and are up for staying over night on occasion I'll be a happy guy.

See ya'll in Medellín!

The only way to receive 20% discount on your deposit is to pay in cash while you are at M1 for your next trip, if you are unsure of your dates, that's ok, just notify the hotel when you are sure of your dates, be sure to keep your receipt.

[QUOTE=Judd;1982349]FYI, in order to reserve a room, you have to secure with a credit card. Your card will be charged a full night rate, and not be given the 20% discount. You can pay cash and receive the discount for the remainder of your stay, but one of those days will be a full price charge to your credit card. If there's a way around this, I was not made aware of by the staff at the desk. Not a big deal, but just wanted to give a heads up.[/QUOTE]

I am sure if this has been discussed before, but I want to bring it up again here according to my recent trips experiences.

In the second half of 2016, I made 3 trips to Colombia. First 2 were to Medellin and the last one in Dec. To Bogota. In my own comparison between the 2 biggest cities in Colombia, Medellin comes out on top on most of them. But I have to say that for mongering, Bogota is my city choice. I know most of us are flocking to Medellin for its weather, more economical costs, ease of navigating the City. , and many members here are long-time residents of Medellin. I do agree that MED is a better, easier and cheaper place to live. I would choose MDE to live over BOG as well. But I found Bogota is a much bigger and better playground for mongers.

We had a recent discussion here on authority trying to clean up sex tourism in Poblado, and our concern of being labeled as sex tourist. I saw in many store, caf or restaurants while there, the "refuse sex tourism" sign, and I did get asked suspiciously about why I came to Medellin a couple times in MED by local forks, although I did have legitimate reason for my trips. In BOG, nobody cares about why you are there. I went out with my 21 year-old spinner to eat, to dance, and we never got any attention. You just blend in easily in a City so diverse and will never get noticed.

There are so many venues in Bogota one can venture out while the options in MED kind of runs out in about a week. To my knowledge, there is probably no establishments like M1 and M2 in Poblado that provide the convenience of all-in-one package in BOG, so for non-Spanish speaking folks, there is that advantage using their services. But I found in BOG, there are a lot more people with English skill. You might still need Spanish if you want to conduct a longer conversation with the chicas, but the language factor is not as critical as in MED.

I also felt that Chicas in BOG, especially working chicas are very adopted to expats. Maybe there are so many of them around. They view you as a foreigner who might be their neighbors or somebody who works in the area, instead of a guy travel for distance to find the establishments. And since it is the Capital much larger in size and population, the choice and variety are so profound, not just Paisas. All my encounters with chicas in BOG were all very good GFE, and I even keep contact with a couple of them almost on a daily basis who are looking forward to seeing me again when I return.

I posted my trip report in BOG thread, but I post this comparison here in MED thread to see what other members think.

Good info, I am hearing good things about Bogota too.

[QUOTE=You69Me;1982276]In the Mayorista area of Medellin.

You find lots of talent for as low as COP12'000 (twelve thousand).

The girls even come to your hotel and stay until you are pleased.

Take a look at these spinners.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkmFCNvYAx0[/URL][/QUOTE]That is a very nice video, but for the new guys on here, you will not find those ladies in Mayorista. You may find someone who compares favorably, but it is very, very rare.

[QUOTE=You69Me;1982276]In the Mayorista area of Medellin.
You find lots of talent for as low as COP12'000 (twelve thousand).
[/QUOTE]It has been a long time I don't go to Mayorista (several years), but let me doubt that any girl there (spinners or fatties) could provide any service for 12k COP ($4 USD).
As a comparison, 20k is the lowest rate with poor girls along the streets of El Centro at night.

I agree, you will not find any prices near COP 12'000 in Mayorista anymore. Neither will you find the quality of girls shown in the youtube video.

Who here has actually visited Mayorista recently and can post some updated information?

Looking for a wingman, new friend to explore with. Its not my first trip, so I have knowledge of the city, underground spots and how to save money.

I'm coming down from Feb 3-13. I have a good friend who has a live in GF but does not live in the downtown area. Getting ready to book hotel. Down to the Art Hotel and Dann Carlton. Basically coming down to spend some time with friend for super bowl. But the goal is to monger and play poker. Are these hotels hobby friendly. I speak some Spanish but not a ton. My buddy speaks Spanish and lives with a Colombian lady but will not be with me 24/7. Not looking to come on the cheap. Looking for advice and appreciate any help.

Hello,

Please anyone can help me with an info of where to look to get a girl to my hotel.

I've tried the [URL]http://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/antioquia/medellin/[/URL] but none speaks English.

Any help would be much welcomed.

Cheers.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2654-Medellin-Hotels-and-Rental-Apartments[/URL]

[QUOTE=ImpMarian;1983035]Hello,

Please anyone can help me with an info of where to look to get a girl to my hotel.

I've tried the [URL]http://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/antioquia/medellin/[/URL] but none speaks English.

Any help would be much welcomed.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ImpMarian;1983035]Hello,

Please anyone can help me with an info of where to look to get a girl to my hotel.

I've tried the [URL]http://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/antioquia/medellin/[/URL] but none speaks English.

Any help would be much welcomed.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]If you just want a woman to come to your hotel, instead of going out, finding a woman and bringing her to your hotel, you have a few options.

You can Google "Medellin escorts", find an escort (prepago) agency that either speaks English or has an email or a Whatsapp contact option. This is the most expensive way.

Contact a casa / massage places that offers home service. Energy Spa is one place. It will be a little cheaper, 170 k cop for an hour.

Search mileroticos, Backpage and Locanto for escorts who use Whatsapp. Use Google translate to translate your request into Spanish and hope for the best. Expect to get someone who is not nearly as appealing as the photos in the ad.

If you finally get someone to your hotel, keep Google translate handy. You'll probably need it.

A lot of useful info here.

I would love to visit Medellin but I'm a bit apprehensive about making solo trip to Colombia as non-Spanish speaker. I wonder what are the chances of succeeding with both women, cap drivers and hotel staff with no Spanish? And how is the safety for a non Spanish speaker?

I have no problem using Google translate if they have the patience and learning a bit Spanish on the way. But I would imagine everyone would try to rip me off and overcharge me from the hookers to cap drivers or am I worrying too much? I have made great solo trips to Dubai and Africa earlier so its not totally new to me but English is spoken by the majority in those areas. Also I see the going prices are 120 k for Street workers to 150-200 k per hour for top girls in the strip clubs etc. Rights. How about top girls overnight?

Are there reputable any guides from here that can help with setting up everything from the airport to girls?

Reading through this forum is all you need.

I did survived my solo visit without any Spanish skills. Google translator and WTs Casa Map are the only 2 tools you need for this expedition.

Stay is a safe neighborhood and visit casas rather than opting for street workers. If you can spare some time in tinder and facebook you can request for over night prices.

Over night prices very from girl to girl (prepago vs regular casa girl etc).

[QUOTE=Jayson01;1983172]A lot of useful info here.

I would love to visit Medellin but I'm a bit apprehensive about making solo trip to Colombia as non-Spanish speaker. I wonder what are the chances of succeeding with both women, cap drivers and hotel staff with no Spanish? And how is the safety for a non Spanish speaker?

I have no problem using Google translate if they have the patience and learning a bit Spanish on the way. But I would imagine everyone would try to rip me off and overcharge me from the hookers to cap drivers or am I worrying too much? I have made great solo trips to Dubai and Africa earlier so its not totally new to me but English is spoken by the majority in those areas. Also I see the going prices are 120 k for Street workers to 150-200 k per hour for top girls in the strip clubs etc. Rights. How about top girls overnight?

Are there reputable any guides from here that can help with setting up everything from the airport to girls?[/QUOTE]

[URL]http://www.minuto30.com/fallecio-ciudadano-estadounidense-que-estaba-preso-en-la-carcel-de-itagui-tras-intento-de-suicidio/581727/[/URL]

Be sure to read the comments below the article, many are tired of gringos in Colombia for sex.

In other news, back in November Cuba Dave got 5 years prison sentence in Costa Rica.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;1983172]A lot of useful info here.

I would love to visit Medellin but I'm a bit apprehensive about making solo trip to Colombia as non-Spanish speaker. I wonder what are the chances of succeeding with both women, cap drivers and hotel staff with no Spanish? And how is the safety for a non Spanish speaker?
[/QUOTE]You could try Cartagena which is a tourist city and lack of Spanish won't hurt you as much. Just grab a Spanish phrase book to start with. Otherwise, there's the so called Mansion with its own forum in the blogs section.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;1983172]A lot of useful info here.

I would love to visit Medellin but I'm a bit apprehensive about making solo trip to Colombia as non-Spanish speaker. I wonder what are the chances of succeeding with both women, cap drivers and hotel staff with no Spanish? And how is the safety for a non Spanish speaker?

I have no problem using Google translate if they have the patience and learning a bit Spanish on the way. But I would imagine everyone would try to rip me off and overcharge me from the hookers to cap drivers or am I worrying too much? I have made great solo trips to Dubai and Africa earlier so its not totally new to me but English is spoken by the majority in those areas. Also I see the going prices are 120 k for Street workers to 150-200 k per hour for top girls in the strip clubs etc. Rights. How about top girls overnight?

Are there reputable any guides from here that can help with setting up everything from the airport to girls?[/QUOTE]You can do it the easy way and go to the Mansion.

Or.

Visit a bookstore (or go online) and pick up a basic Spanish language course with CDS (much cheaper than the better Pimsleur courses). Use the books along with the CDS. That's important, because you need to make the connection between Spanish spelling and pronunciation. Otherwise you'll be baffled when trying to translate "ah ee", which is spelled "hay. ".

Learn basic greetings. Learn how to ask if someone speaks English. Learn the numbers. Learn a few basic verbs, how to conjugate them and basic sentence structure. Just a few weeks, a few hours per day will pay off.

While you're picking up some Spanish, start reading up on Medellin. I combine reading with Google Maps. When a hotel, restaurant, club or casa is mentioned, I find it and check out Street View. I want to know what the area looks like. If it looks rough during the day, I'm not going at night, or I'm doing a taxi door to door.

Figure out a few go to places. Places you would like to visit while you're there. Maybe Energy, Fase 2, or some other places. I'd recommend picking a few places close to each other and not in the heart of El Centro.

Read up on that neighborhood and find a hotel that's fairly convenient. This will help minimize your taxi rides. While you're at it, check the hotel area for restaurants. Now you should be prepared.

As to your concerns about security, whether or not you speak Spanish won't have much of an effect. Where you go and how you carry yourself will. If you're taking pictures of everything with your diamond encrusted, gold plated iPhone, expect to be robbed. If you're walking around with a wallet full of pesos, expect to be robbed. If you're walking around drunk, expect to be robbed.

However, if you follow all the good advice on the forum, you should be fine. Just be aware of scam artists on the street.

Hotel staff is generally friendly and patient and there is usually someone on staff who speaks some English. If you can speak some Spanish it will help immensely. "Disclpeme seor. Hay un gato muerto en mi cama. " Which means, you probably should have picked a better hotel.

Some restaurants have a menu in English. Just ask "tiene una carta en Ingles?" Or you can just use translate to figure out the regular menu.

Cab drivers will try to overcharge you. Read the forum, find out the typical fares. Before you get in, ask how much. "Cuanto cuesta?" If you have the name and address written down, it will help. If you think they are asking too much, tell them a lower price. If they are giving a price in dolares, they're ripping you off. Counter in pesos.

Finally, before you go, start thinking in pesos. 300,000 pesos is about $100 at the current exchange rate. 10,000 is $3. 33 (that's the posted rate, your actual rate will vary). You don't need to be exact, just have a solid idea. If a cab driver says "diez dolares", come back with "quince mil pesos. ".

If you know the typical rates, you don't have to worry too much. If someone is asking too much, respond with what you're willing to pay, or ask "por toda la noche?

I wouldn't suggest trying an all nighter with an unknown. You may have just bought a dead fish. On the other hand, if she rocks your world, ask how much to stay the night. The price should be 2. 5 to 3 times the 1 hour price. You can afford to bargain a little. If it's already late, she's not making any more money if she leaves.

It can be challenging without knowing Spanish, but if you keep a positive attitude, be patient and do your homework, you should be fine.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1983394]
Be sure to read the comments below the article, many are tired of gringos in Colombia for sex.
[/QUOTE]They could easily make it so prostitutes cannot serve anyone who is not Colombian, but the truth is 95% of the sex industry customers in Colombia are Colombians themselves. A very small portion are foreigners.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1983441]You can do it the easy way and go to the Mansion.

Or.

Visit a bookstore (or go online) and pick up a basic Spanish language course with CDS (much cheaper than the better Pimsleur courses). Use the books along with the CDS. That's important, because you need to make the connection between Spanish spelling and pronunciation. Otherwise you'll be baffled when trying to translate "ah ee", which is spelled "hay. ".[/QUOTE]I like to hunt my prey it just tastes better, so I would pick the second choice plus Mansion sounds like where they overcharge the lazy or rich tourist. Can you go to mansion just pick a girl and take her to another hotel? I actually do understand the very basic phrases of introducin myself with name or where is that? But beyond the language I was just curious if a tourist is a target in streets, but your post has made feel better about, it looks like like Medellin is just any like other place in the world where you need common is sense. At least the Escobar times of kidnapping and shootouts are over. That's good hear.

I actually found your post on a typical convo with a girl in Spanish a couple pages back that I can apply. And surprisingly I do understand most of it just by teaching myself around the internet. At least in written form don't know how I would fare with a fast talker.

Got to learn the numbers now and couple phrases to deal with Cap drivers and I should good for basics. BTW, is english almost non-existed amongst the cap drivers and the locals? I do hope after couple of days I find a honest translator amongst locals or girls that show me around even for rent.

A Colombian girl I found on Tinder actually told me her friend is a guide and speaks Englishl, so might give that a shot.

Here is the amazing and hilarious post by you:[QUOTE=JjBee62;1983441]
-Hola, como estas?

-Bien y tu?

-Muy bien gracias.

-Como te llamaS? Or Cual es tu nombre?

-Me llamo xxx.

-Ahhh (insert her name), bonito nombre para una mujer hermosa!

-Gracias!.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=YippieKayay;1983420]You could try Cartagena which is a tourist city and lack of Spanish won't hurt you as much. Just grab a Spanish phrase book to start with. Otherwise, there's the so called Mansion with its own forum in the blogs section.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]Sounds good but I more intrigued about Medellin by reading this forum.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1983394][URL]http://www.minuto30.com/fallecio-ciudadano-estadounidense-que-estaba-preso-en-la-carcel-de-itagui-tras-intento-de-suicidio/581727/[/URL]

Be sure to read the comments below the article, many are tired of gringos in Colombia for sex.

In other news, back in November Cuba Dave got 5 years prison sentence in Costa Rica.[/QUOTE]Wow. It's kinda fucked up to say, but lucky him. I have no idea how he would have survived too long in a Colombian prison known as a gringo that introduces sex tourist to minors. Thanks for sharing this article with us so that we could all finally close the chapter on this.

As for the comments, try not to give too much credence to those hypocrites. Remember, we could not monger there if there were not an sex industry infrastructure already put in place by the locals. As another member here said, we are a tiny fraction of people who partake. The other 99.99 percent are the local Colombianos.

[QUOTE=KainNYC;1982751]Looking for a wingman, new friend to explore with. Its not my first trip, so I have knowledge of the city, underground spots and how to save money.[/QUOTE]KainNYC,

I'm in Medellin for an indefinite time period so if you or any other board members need a wingman get in-touch.

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[QUOTE=SavePros321;1983609]Wow. It's kinda fucked up to say, but lucky him. I have no idea how he would have survived too long in a Colombian prison known as a gringo that introduces sex tourist to minors. Thanks for sharing this article with us so that we could all finally close the chapter on this.

As for the comments, try not to give too much credence to those hypocrites. Remember, we could not monger there if there were not an sex industry infrastructure already put in place by the locals. As another member here said, we are a tiny fraction of people who partake. The other 99.99 percent are the local Colombianos.[/QUOTE]Could it be that the critics of sex tourists might be local mongers some of whom could be officials who dislike gringos coming in and jacking up the prices?

[QUOTE=Turgid;1983861]Could it be that the critics of sex tourists might be local mongers some of whom could be officials who dislike gringos coming in and jacking up the prices?[/QUOTE]I doubt it given that 99.99 percent of clientele are Colombian males.

Look at the prices at a place like Loutron and La Isla (or whatever their name is now). It's not gringos frequenting those places in high numbers.

Who do you think are the guys calling 350k high-end escorts? Half of the gringos going to Medellin can't even order a pizza by phone in spanish, let alone an escort!

[QUOTE=Turgid;1983861]Could it be that the critics of sex tourists might be local mongers some of whom could be officials who dislike gringos coming in and jacking up the prices?[/QUOTE]The Colombians I have befriended have said the same thing. Extranjeros come for drugs and women while Colombia has more to offer. I don't think they mind that foreigners are fucking hookers in their country. They feel hurt there's a portion of their tourist industry dedicated to it. Specifically guys like Jake who ran a business out of specifically bringing extranjeros down to fuck hookers.

That's why Jake got thrown in the slammer. It's too much. It would be the same as telling Colombian immigration you're there to fuck hookers. I'm pretty sure even though its legal they would turn you around, haha.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1983918]That's why Jake got thrown in the slammer. It's too much. It would be the same as telling Colombian immigration you're there to fuck hookers. I'm pretty sure even though its legal they would turn you around, haha.[/QUOTE]I told that to US Immigration coming out of Mexico. They didn't give a fuck. Why would they?

Greetings mongers,

I'm currently in Medellin on my second trip. The first was a 'dip my toes in the water' experience where I visited La Isla, Loutron, new life and fade dos. Standard stuff I know. Last February '16 as follows.

-La isla.

First cab off the rank. We were heading to loutron but being fresh off the boat we didn't know it closed early. The cabbie kindly took us to La isla. Definitely an American style strip joint. Don't get me wrong, some solid 9's here but I wouldn't come all the way to Colombia for that. Place was pretty empty as we were there early. My wingman took a sweety off to the adjoining motel for around 180.00 cop plus hotel. I restrained myself on this occasion due to being paranoid from watching too much tv and only having enough cash for a ride at Loutron on my person and my buddies Amex which la isla don't accept. We pooled our cash and only had enough for one ride and being the gentleman I am I insisted he do the do.

Nice place and very high end but I'm sure there's more to Medellin than this.

-Loutron.

Reminded me of the house from thunderbirds. Cool place and it's worth venturing up there just to check it out. The door lady spun some crap about the house once being owned by Pablo himself, interesting marketing angle.

Around ten girls paraded before our salivating gringo eyes, I chose a nice natural looking called Kenya. My buddy went for a slender blond with a tidy back yard. My service was good, she was a lot more enthusiastic than I imaged. Floppy tits but she rocked the boat nicely. My wing left with his tail between his legs after not being 'up' to a performance. I laughed at him all the way down the mountain.

-Face dos.

We went on a Saturday and the place was jammed, mostly locals. Waiter was rude and overcharged us in the end but meh, gringo tax in full effect. Besides the dancers there's a bunch of freelancers lurking about, a lot of variety and some I would never believe we're 18. I fell in love with a stripper and immediately yanked her to the side after her show, killer ass, perfect bolt one-- shitty attitude. This should have been enough for me to stop there and then but we all know who makes the decision in these cases.

Paid around 170.00 from memory plus room. Once inside the room the Chica proceeded to roll a king size dooby, smoke it and make a phone call. She was then so paranoid about touching anything of mine so made the whole thing robotic. She also wouldn't let me touch her boobs as they were brand new. She was smoking hot but the situation certainly wasn't a turn on. Karma being what it is I failed to perform, she then hassled me for a tip. I threw 10000 cop at her to avoid dramas and walked out with my fathers advice from my childhood ringing in my ear ' a good looking woman is like a hot car, more trouble than they're worth'.

Energy.

- I went twice for around 150.00 cop for the hour. 6-8's in the line up. Average mechanical service. Nice enough place and some pretty but worn out looking young girls but I wouldn't go back.

Since arriving last week I immediately went to energy. Nice girl called Adrianna? Huge bolt ONS fake ass and pretty face. She said she was 25. It was 150.00 cop and interestingly the house lady took the cash first this time, explaining it was new policy. Again I wouldn't go back but never say never.

This time I was longing for something a little raw.

I checked out the daytime scene behind plaza botero. Grabbed and beer and took a lean against a wall across from where the majority of the action was. I was surprised to some nice looking SW's lurking outside the love hotels. If your into tattoos and piercings these girls would ring your bell. One girl with daisy Dukes was standing out front of a hotel with pink headphones and a lollipop dancing away in her own little world. My guess was she was 14 max. When I grow a pair I'll be back maybe at night as I did spot a few bangables with a wildcat look in their eyes. Wild scene but if you're undressed and aren't rocking your liborachie jewelery collection it seems doable.

I did a walk around to locate some of the centro casas, upon going past new life I saw two nice looking young girls coming out, mental note to return.

Since I have more time here I plan to investigate more of the scene further than what I experienced last year. My Spanish is OK but as soon as I open my mouth its gringo alert in full effect. I've found being polite yet firm worked while casing out the 'forbidden zones'. Thanks to the seasoned posters here I've taken much advice from the forum, I plan to use this and be cautious yet not overly cautious and delve further into the Medellin scene. Any advice from the Medellin veterans would be appreciated and hopefully this offers some help for the first timers. Gracias.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1983943]I told that to US Immigration coming out of Mexico. They didn't give a fuck. Why would they?[/QUOTE]Why would US immigration care? Try saying that going into a Latin American country.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1983970]Why would US immigration care? Try saying that going into a Latin American country.[/QUOTE]US immigration might care, especially for those who have SENTRI which has very strict requirements to obtain.

This guy was not the first to get locked up over this, and Colombia isn't the only country to have done it. Add Costa Rica, Domincan Republic, Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia. Guys who travel without making a spectacle of themselves (E. G. Pawing and slobbering over obvious providers in upscale restaurants) or embarrassing the countries on the Internet are left alone because they aren't doing anything different than the locals. Some guys don't learn. Now there is one fewer such guy.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1983918]The Colombians I have befriended have said the same thing. Extranjeros come for drugs and women while Colombia has more to offer. I don't think they mind that foreigners are fucking hookers in their country. They feel hurt there's a portion of their tourist industry dedicated to it. Specifically guys like Jake who ran a business out of specifically bringing extranjeros down to fuck hookers.

That's why Jake got thrown in the slammer. It's too much. It would be the same as telling Colombian immigration you're there to fuck hookers. I'm pretty sure even though its legal they would turn you around, haha.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1983970]Why would US immigration care? Try saying that going into a Latin American country.[/QUOTE]Okay. I posted a report in August 2015 [b]with pictures[/b] going into Sexy Amigas casa in Medellin when IMMIGRATION stopped us to make sure we were in the country legally. They didn't give a fuck about us going inside to fuck hookers because after they okayed us to leave that is exactly where we walked into. (Actually they had to go inside to get my friend out who had ran by before they could stop him.) Again why do you think they would care? You yourself said it was nothing illegal.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1983441]You can do it the easy way and go to the Mansion.

Or.

Visit a bookstore (or go online) and pick up a basic Spanish language course with CDS (much cheaper than the better Pimsleur courses). Use the books along with the CDS. That's important, because you need to make the connection between Spanish spelling and pronunciation. Otherwise you'll be baffled when trying to translate "ah ee", which is spelled "hay. ".

Learn basic greetings. Learn how to ask if someone speaks English. Learn the numbers. Learn a few basic verbs, how to conjugate them and basic sentence structure. Just a few weeks, a few hours per day will pay off.

While you're picking up some Spanish, start reading up on Medellin. I combine reading with Google Maps. When a hotel, restaurant, club or casa is mentioned, I find it and check out Street View. I want to know what the area looks like. If it looks rough during the day, I'm not going at night, or I'm doing a taxi door to door.

Figure out a few go to places. Places you would like to visit while you're there. Maybe Energy, Fase 2, or some other places. I'd recommend picking a few places close to each other and not in the heart of El Centro.

Read up on that neighborhood and find a hotel that's fairly convenient. This will help minimize your taxi rides. While you're at it, check the hotel area for restaurants. Now you should be prepared...[/QUOTE]This was a good read: sound advice. I'm planning to visit Colombia for the first time this year and I'm going to take Spanish lessons for the next six months in preparation. I'm thinking September would be good a time to go weather wise? What do you think? Medellin and Cartagena are the destinations for my visit.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1966235]I guess a guy who never gets a woman in the US loses his fucking mind when a Colombiana winks at him.[/QUOTE]Just the opposite, guys who get girls in the US knows what they cost and $170 USD will cover dinner and drinks.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;1984032]This was a good read: sound advice. I'm planning to visit Colombia for the first time this year and I'm going to take Spanish lessons for the next six months in preparation. I'm thinking September would be good a time to go weather wise? What do you think? Medellin and Cartagena are the destinations for my visit.[/QUOTE]Weather is the same all year, pleasant in Medellin, hot in Cartagena.

There are rainy seasons to consider.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1984270]Weather is the same all year, pleasant in Medellin, hot in Cartagena.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1983918]...... Colombia has more to offer. I don't think they mind that foreigners are fucking hookers in their country. They feel hurt there's a portion of their tourist industry dedicated to it.......[/QUOTE]If there were no hookers I would not visit Medellin. Without hookers I would not visit Sao Paulo but would definitely visit Rio. Without hookers I would visit Sosua but would not visit Santo Domingo. I would not visit Tijuana but would visit San Jose. I would not visit Panama but would visit Havana. I would visit Thailand but would not the Philippines. I would visit China but not Cambodia. I would visit Singapore and Hong Kong but not Indonesia. I am certain I'm not alone. Many cities and countries get a lot of revenue from hobbyists. That money goes to valuable use, providing social services, etc.

We are getting a few new and old friends together to hit up various casas, strip clubs, after hours spots, and parties in rural Medellin all while drinking and staying safe. We speak Spanish so welcome beginners and non Spanish speakers.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1984388]If there were no hookers I would not visit Medellin. [/QUOTE]Medellin is a lovely place to settle, work and live, IMHO.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1984388] Without hookers ............. I would visit Singapore and Hong Kong but not Indonesia. I am certain I'm not alone.[/QUOTE]You are so wrong here!!
If we leave aside the hookers and local girls matter, Singapore and HK offer a lot to a business man, but not that much to a pure tourist.
Indonesia, besides its lovely girls (hookers, FLs, and girlfriends), has A LOT TO OFFER to the tourist (even to couples in honeymoon)!! I will not enumerate. Plenty of natural beauty, wilderness, diving, jungle, . And even culture and archeology. Did you hear about Borubudur?

After RTFF I learned that FB was a favored resource for Medellin. I've had a fake page for nine years that served me well for occasional anonymous usage before ID was required. I uploaded a face obscured profile pic and sent out about three or four messages to Medellin girls referenced with links in other posts. Much to my surprise a window appeared announcing that FB periodically conducts ID checks and demanded I submit ID. I've since gone back and the challenge still prevents me from accessing my page.

It was only within the last year and a half that I created another authentic page with less than 100 of my friends and family members added. I'm reluctant to use my real page to start adding dozens of Colombian Babes for appearance sake. I've spent some time researching FB info see if there was a way to hide friends from other friends and it appears no such feature is available. It's likely other forum members also don't want to swamp their legitimate FB pages with 20 year old Chicas friends from Medellin.

Have any of you had this same ID challenge? How are you adding all these Medellin girls to your friends list? Are you opening separate accounts (if it's permitted?) and if so wouldn't searches and face tagging lead other acquaintances to both your pages?

This kinda activity has to be organized by Private Messages. I'd suggest upgrading to a membership.

[QUOTE=KainNYC;1984467]We are getting a few new and old friends together to hit up various casas, strip clubs, after hours spots, and parties in rural Medellin all while drinking and staying safe. We speak Spanish so welcome beginners and non Spanish speakers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Buffed;1984626] I've had a fake page for nine years that served me well for occasional anonymous usage before ID was required. I uploaded a face obscured profile pic and sent out about three or four messages to Medellin girls referenced with links in other posts. Much to my surprise a window appeared announcing that FB periodically conducts ID checks and demanded I submit ID. [/QUOTE]I don't know what you are talking about. I have 3 FB accounts: one with my real name and photo, and two more with a fantasy name and a photo of some random guy I photographed years ago on top on El Penol at Guatape. Of course, I don't want to use a photo available on the www. It's too easy to find it using Google.
I was never requested to supply a copy of ID.

I almost don't use any of those 3 accounts. I am not interested to FB activities, except keep in touch with some people who does not use other means of communications (e. G. , girls from remote countries).

[QUOTE=Buffed;1984626]
I've spent some time researching FB info see if there was a way to hide friends from other friends and it appears no such feature is available. It's likely other forum members also don't want to swamp their legitimate FB pages with 20 year old Chicas friends from Medellin.?[/QUOTE]That's why I will never use FB as all others do! Can you imagine if any people you add on your phone contact list could see the phone numbers of all others you have??
Or in your email client? You add a contact, and he sees all your other contacts.
No way. My friends are private for me.
I really don't understand the FB concept: I add a friend, and he sees my other friends. Why should my friends know each other??

Well, there is a way to avoid that, but it's too complex. Too easy to make a mistake. Or they reconfigure the privacty settings and you are fucked up: your wife or colleagues see that you have 20 girls from Indonesia or Colombia among your friends. Difficult to justify that.

My solution: I don't use FB. I add my friends to my two main accounts (I don't tell my real name to anyone), but they are closed: all information visible only to MYSELF. Very egocentric, but effective to protect my privacy. I have 50 requests of friendship pending from various people I know, but I simply ignore them. If they want to get in touch with me, they can Google my name and get the email address.

Just photoshop ID if Facebook wants it. They use algorithms to find fake profiles. So if you made the account and friended 30 unrelated people in the same day they are going to think you're fake. So go slow a little don't friend too many people. Use a name that could be a real name. Don't use a nick name etc. So don't be Sammy Davis, be Samuel Davis. Etc. Facebook will try to link with your other emails and possibly your phone. On the computer, you can just use one browser (like MIE, which you probably don't use so much these days) for your fake FB. To avoid linking from everyone in your email, make an entirely new free email account in the browser, and then only use that email and that Facebook in that browser. If you use your real email, everyone you ever emailed will be invited to friend your fake Facebook profile. So make a new fake email for your fake Facebook. This might be inconvenient for some people, but it is not terribly difficult to do. You can also get a burn phone at Walmart for $20 to connect with your fake email and fake Facebook. The other posters here are right, if you use your real Facebook, all your friends will be invited to friend any of your new Friends. so all your Church buddies and your in-laws and your parole officer anyone you know will see all your new friends. Yeah you can try to conceal it, but a reasonably intelligent person is going to figure it out.

[QUOTE=Buffed;1984626]Much to my surprise a window appeared announcing that FB periodically conducts ID checks and demanded I submit ID. I've since gone back and the challenge still prevents me from accessing my page. [/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Buffed;1984626]I've spent some time researching FB info see if there was a way to hide friends from other friends and it appears no such feature is available. [/QUOTE]You can hide all your friends from everyone. Display your friends page. Just above the photos, to the right, there is a little symbol of a pen. Click on the pen and then on "Edit Privacy". Select "Only you" for friends and following. No one sees your friends or the people you are following.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1984760]You can hide all your friends from everyone. Display your friends page. Just above the photos, to the right, there is a little symbol of a pen. Click on the pen and then on "Edit Privacy". Select "Only you" for friends and following. No one sees your friends or the people you are following.[/QUOTE]My concern is that the privacy rules on FB are damn complex. For example, I can hide the friends, but if one of them posts something on my wall? Or comments? Or if my profile is related to others and FB proposes my friends as possible friends to others? I am afraid that the probability that I make a mistake, even a small mistake, is too high to risk.

ADDITIONAL REMARK
I followed your instructions in my personal FB. I discovered that, as I expected, "only me" can see my friends, and "only me" can see who I follow, but I also discovered that "EVERYONE" can see [i]who follows me[/i]!
I think this was not included in the form when I set the privacy settings. Maybe they added it later, and of course the default setting is "public". One more proof that it is better to not rely on privacy settings of FB, and to not mix on our main profile the wife, the work boss, the church, and the girls from the bars of Raudal :p

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1984535]You are so wrong here!! If we leave aside the hookers and local girls matter, Singapore and HK offer a lot to a business man, but not that much to a pure tourist. Indonesia, besides its lovely girls (hookers, FLs, and girlfriends), has A LOT TO OFFER to the tourist (even to couples in honeymoon)!! I will not enumerate. Plenty of natural beauty, wilderness, diving, jungle, . And even culture and archeology. Did you hear about Borubudur?[/QUOTE]Yes but safety is high on my list for visiting a country. I only take risks if poontang is involved.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1984890]Yes but safety is high on my list for visiting a country. I only take risks if poontang is involved.[/QUOTE]You must have not been in Indonesia? Indonesia is 100 times safer than Colombia. Even safer than my country in Europe, definitely.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1984895]You must have not been in Indonesia? Indonesia is 100 times safer than Colombia. Even safer than my country in Europe, definitely.[/QUOTE]Tell that to the victims, and their families, of the many terrorist attacks that have taken place over the years. I have been to Indonesia but you must not have been otherwise you would be aware of the muslim insurgency that is taking place there and the many women who have been publicly whipped for committing adultery. Which European woman would want to live there?

Agree about FB 100%. I have a fake account on there and have a Chrome enabled logoff that hopefully really gets me off FB when I log out, so they can't track me and email my GMail contacts, etc. Don't use it on the phone. One time I got Tinder, which is associated with FB, and started to use it on my phone and it started loading up all my contacts and sending them stuff, it was almost a disaster. It's probably not worth it to have FB at all, but I do to keep in touch with friends who are in or go to Colombia. FB sucks though, basically.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1984706]I don't know what you are talking about. I have 3 FB accounts: one with my real name and photo, and two more with a fantasy name and a photo of some random guy I photographed years ago on top on El Penol at Guatape. Of course, I don't want to use a photo available on the www. It's too easy to find it using Google.
I was never requested to supply a copy of ID.

I almost don't use any of those 3 accounts. I am not interested to FB activities, except keep in touch with some people who does not use other means of communications (e. G. , girls from remote countries).

That's why I will never use FB as all others do! Can you imagine if any people you add on your phone contact list could see the phone numbers of all others you have??
Or in your email client? You add a contact, and he sees all your other contacts.
No way. My friends are private for me.
I really don't understand the FB concept: I add a friend, and he sees my other friends. Why should my friends know each other??

Well, there is a way to avoid that, but it's too complex. Too easy to make a mistake. Or they reconfigure the privacty settings and you are fucked up: your wife or colleagues see that you have 20 girls from Indonesia or Colombia among your friends. Difficult to justify that.

My solution: I don't use FB. I add my friends to my two main accounts (I don't tell my real name to anyone), but they are closed: all information visible only to MYSELF. Very egocentric, but effective to protect my privacy. I have 50 requests of friendship pending from various people I know, but I simply ignore them. If they want to get in touch with me, they can Google my name and get the email address.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;1984991]Tell that to the victims, and their families, of the many terrorist attacks that have taken place over the years. I have been to Indonesia but you must not have been otherwise you would be aware of the muslim insurgency that is taking place there and the many women who have been publicly whipped for committing adultery. Which European woman would want to live there?[/QUOTE]I am speechless. Are we talking about the same country? Insurgency?? Public whipping?? This is Indonesia, not SAUDI ARABIA or Pakistan.

If you did not have such a high number of posts, I would say you are kidding or a troll.

I am a regular of Batam, Riau Islands (near Singapore, very convenient). Girls go around in high heels and miniskirt at night. I bring 1-2-3 girls to my room and everybody shows thumbs up to me. Nightlife is exciting. In night clubs, local people drink alcohol and have fun, even if they are Muslim. Sexy girls everywhere, in astonishing revealing dresses (mixed to observant ladies wearing the hijab and long dress). In a week stay, the number of girls I sleep with is always +50% more than the number of nights.

Jakarta is overflowing of girls who are happy to spend the night with a Western man for few bucks or even free. Every big city in Indonesia has a variety and quantity of brothels and night clubs where local girls just wait a gentleman. Try reading the ISG threads of Indonesia, if you don't believe me. (in the Batam thread, I am the main contributor. You can read maybe 50-100 reports of mine with details).

The only place in Indonesia where Muslim law rules is probably Banda Aceh, where most people is very strictly observant. Even there, not a single public whipping ever happened. That is not the law of Indonesia! There were rumors this year, because in such hard-Muslim areas the local government wanted to prohibit girls to drive a bike with short skirt, but I am not sure it passed.

An instructive reading:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2020-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction[/URL]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1985234]I am speechless. Are we talking about the same country? Insurgency?? Public whipping?? This is Indonesia, not SAUDI ARABIA or Pakistan.

If you did not have such a high number of posts, I would say you are kidding or a troll.

I am a regular of Batam, Riau Islands (near Singapore, very convenient). Girls go around in high heels and miniskirt at night. I bring 1-2-3 girls to my room and everybody shows thumbs up to me. Nightlife is exciting. In night clubs, local people drink alcohol and have fun, even if they are Muslim. Sexy girls everywhere, in astonishing revealing dresses (mixed to observant ladies wearing the hijab and long dress). In a week stay, the number of girls I sleep with is always +50% more than the number of nights.

Jakarta is overflowing of girls who are happy to spend the night with a Western man for few bucks or even free. Every big city in Indonesia has a variety and quantity of brothels and night clubs where local girls just wait a gentleman. Try reading the ISG threads of Indonesia, if you don't believe me. (in the Batam thread, I am the main contributor. You can read maybe 50-100 reports of mine with details).

The only place in Indonesia where Muslim law rules is probably Banda Aceh, where most people is very strictly observant. Even there, not a single public whipping ever happened. That is not the law of Indonesia! There were rumors this year, because in such hard-Muslim areas the local government wanted to prohibit girls to drive a bike with short skirt, but I am not sure it passed.

An instructive reading:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2020-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction[/URL][/QUOTE]Research before you post. In the country with the largest muslim population on the planet there have been eight terrorist attacks since 2010 and many others before that.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Indonesia[/URL]

[URL]http://www.indonesia-investments.com/business/risks/radical-islam/item245?[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;1985248]Research before you post. In the country with the largest muslim population on the planet there have been eight terrorist attacks since 2010 and many others before that.[/QUOTE]OMG. Is this a joke? The "largest muslim population on the planet" means danger?

Indonesia has a population of 260 million people. 8 terrorist attacks in 6 years? WOW! It means that the terror threat is less important than in Western Europe (we had many more victims, many more attacks, and on a smaller population).

Crime is rare and non comparable to the crime in Latin America, Western Europe or in USA. It is way more likely to be shot by a gangster (or a policeman) in USA than in Indonesia.

However, I understand this chat leads nowhere. It is also OOT and people will hate me for insisting to write something unrelated to MEdellin. You keep your ideas and we keep ours. No problem.
You "do the research" on the Internet, I probe the beauty and sweetness of Indo ladies directly on site. Next trip will next month. YUM!
Peace and love!

(To make people forgive my OOT posts, I attach some photos of nice Indo ladies. These are real girlfriends of mine - not prostitutes! - from my last two trips in 2016, plus a photo of the live band from my favorite pub in Batam).

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1985256]OMG. Is this a joke? The "largest muslim population on the planet" means danger?

Indonesia has a population of 260 million people. 8 terrorist attacks in 6 years? WOW! It means that the terror threat is less important than in Western Europe (we had many more victims, many more attacks, and on a smaller population).

Crime is rare and non comparable to the crime in Latin America, Western Europe or in USA. It is way more likely to be shot by a gangster (or a policeman) in USA than in Indonesia.

.[/QUOTE]There have been many travel alerts and warnings for tourists entering Indonesia. You are reckless for advising hobbyists that Indonesia is safer than Europe. You are doing a disservice to ISG.

I couldn't stop thinking about this girl I saw last month when I did a quick jaunt to la Mayorista, so decided to get a quick flight to MDE, just to try and find her, I got lucky and after waiting a couple of hours at one of the tables outside of the bars I saw her walking in to work, there were a few cops walking and talking to the girls, an older one talked to her, in my mind I thought I wouldn't get to do her, but after chatting with her and checking her cedula, he walked away, so I seized the opportunity, went over to her, and started discussing business, she quoted 40 k + 20 k for the room, she wouldn't go to the room I booked at Macedonia hotel Wich is only on the other side of the block, any way we get in the room get undressed, chit chat for a little bit while she undressed, she has see+ man-made tits very nice, nice bubble butt, flat tummy and smooth tiny pussy, she is very sweet, start with CBJ, move to reverse cowgirl, I grabbed her ass cheeks and spread them to get a good view of that pussy I was fucking, just delicious, change to missionary, then had to do her doggy, I am ready to nut put my thumb in her ass, she just looks back at me and winks, that's when I lose it, right on queue. We get dressed and talk a little more she is 21, Venezuelan, has been in Colombia 3 yrs, is married to a Colombian and has a 7 yr old girl. Dulce is a really sweet girl definitely recommend her to any one.

2 quick bits of info, hotel Macedonia is cheap 47 k a night but rooms are tiny and not very clean, you can still get generic Viagra at one of the supermarkets at the main entrance of Mayorista for 2 k per box 2 pills x box 50 MG dose.

Enjoy and be careful out there.

As I write this I just finished a session with Estefany, really cute flaquita I saw when I went for breakfast. I saw her 2 times once when I went to get breakfast, she was sitting at one of the bars, but I wasn't sure I wanted some yet, I went to my room showered, rested a little then went down to one of the bars had a couple of beers at around 11 am saw her standing there with her friends I start checking her out, short, skinny, cute face and very inviting smile, she asked for a drink of agua ardiente and we talk business, 40 k in my room, on the way she asked for cigarettes and a beer, I comply, we go to the room total GF, kisses and grabbing in the elevator, we get to the room get undressed, she lays on her back spread eagled what a sight such a big pussy in such a small frame, she loves oral so I lick her till my tongue goes numb, by now am so hard am leaking precum, I start fucking her every which way and all am getting is moans of pleasure from her, she has tiny tits and skinny ass and sweet tight pussy, I touch, lick and fuck the heck out of this girl and lay spent next to her, and the first thing she says is, "thank you". Wow, no, no, thank You for making my [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] dreams come true, am so lust struck that I gave her 70 k, she deserves more than the 40 she asked for.

Until next time friends.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1985256]OMG. Is this a joke? The "largest muslim population on the planet" means danger?

Indonesia has a population of 260 million people. 8 terrorist attacks in 6 years? WOW! It means that the terror threat is less important than in Western Europe (we had many more victims, many more attacks, and on a smaller population).

Crime is rare and non comparable to the crime in Latin America, Western Europe or in USA. It is way more likely to be shot by a gangster (or a policeman) in USA than in Indonesia.

However, I understand this chat leads nowhere. It is also OOT and people will hate me for insisting to write something unrelated to MEdellin. You keep your ideas and we keep ours. No problem.
You "do the research" on the Internet, I probe the beauty and sweetness of Indo ladies directly on site. Next trip will next month. YUM!
Peace and love!

(To make people forgive my OOT posts, I attach some photos of nice Indo ladies. These are real girlfriends of mine - not prostitutes! - from my last two trips in 2016, plus a photo of the live band from my favorite pub in Batam).[/QUOTE]Precious and delicious photos of some yummy Indo's! Because of hundreds of years of religious shit these Muslim bitches probably are real hoes in the sack!

TTM.

I popped into a few knock shops last week. First stop was New life as I'd heard from most veterans here it offered consistency.

As I'm an early riser It was about 10 am, I had to chuckle As I wandered through the security gates. Not even banks are this secure in Medellin. I guess the panocha is more valuable than the plata here.

Funny set up, at first I though I'd wandered into a municipal office of some sorts- private booths to one side and you shape setting of chars on the other.

The old guy was nice enough, told me there were 4 chicks available. Even though it was early, the joint was rocking. I counted 3 guys stumble out of rooms with girls in the 5 minutes I was seated.

I was shown 4 all do able- 5-7.5's Three a little thick and one spinner. Of course I took the spinner 'Celeste' I think. She was really cute with long black hair with a purple streak and pink lipstick. 9/10 little ayse and perky b's. 23 yo. No kids.

She did a nice striptease for me and her body didn't disappoint. Service was good but she obsessively was spraying the alcohol every where after I touched her, even after I hit the shower. Sweet girl though, had a nice chat after. I'd definitely return as I saw a tall knock out spinner on the way out with long black hair, maybe an 8.

After a coffee I went up to aiffe but the white doors were shut, I rang the bell but to no avail. I guess it was around 12 ish, maybe they were full or no chic as had arrived. I then went down coffee shop but they seem to be restoring the facade or footpath, I dunno but it looked like fu#ng WW3 out the front. I asked the worker if there were any putas inside and he just shrugged. I ducked over to Sexi to take a look. There were 6 girls ranging from super mega fugly to one that I would do if I was desperate. Being desperate to drain another load I thought OK. Was around 50.000 cop for 45 minutes. The girl looked like a thick version of lily Allen, cute face with pink lipstick that's all the rage with the working girls down here. Unfortunately the best thing about the session was the bathroom, it looked like it was fairly new and nice and clean with hot water. The girl must've been tired or whatever but she immediately stripped after my shower and proceeded to do the thing where they try and put the condom on your semi on. I don't know about you guys but if they do that its all slide trombone from there. Brrrrrrrrrrrrp. I asked her for BBBJ which she agreed to after back and forth for an extra 20.000 cop. Good blow job but as she was kind of faking it and being pretty robotic I just put her on her back and finger banged her whilst finishing myself off. Wouldn't return, can't remember her name sorry.

As I was heading back to the metro a I noticed a cute blond spinner walking beside me, I gave her a wink and started chatting. Of course she was working and wanted 60.000 plus short time motel. I would've loved to take her up but my bell end was in no mood for more punishment. There's definitely gold in the hills of centro but fuck me, there are some ugly looking women too. That's almost half the fun of centro, I kind of wonder "who would pay for that" sometimes but realize I'm severely underestimating the powers of one's pecker.

I think I'll try an hit a few more in centro then maybe head to blue room direction next. I'll certainly be back to new life although it does have that production line feel to it.

You're on the right track buddy. Keep exploring everything El Centro has to offer. Casas to strip clubs to the local hostess bars.

El Centro has everything within close proximity. Also, don't forget the after hours clubs all over the city. I've met really sweet ladies in these establishments. Just keep making new contacts with the ones you enjoy the most and soon you will have a list of friends ready to party whenever you come back to Medellin I'm currently holding onto 2 really sweet 24 yrs old paisas that have pretty much become my company for my time there. All with very little talk about money. Just show them a good time. Now I'm at the point where I go every 3 months for 5 - 7 days. Spend a few day getting dirty in El Centro to make new contacts, then the rest of the time I spend with my Amiga for the rest of the trip. It's a different amiga every time I go. It's a great system. LOL.

This year I hope to go to Philippines and Thailand for my 2 trip. I'm still torn on which country is the best for our sport. I love them all so much. LOL.

[QUOTE=Transitions;1983967]Greetings mongers,

I'm currently in Medellin on my second trip. The first was a 'dip my toes in the water' experience where I visited La Isla, Loutron, new life and fade dos. Standard stuff I know. Last February '16 as follows.

-La isla.

First cab off the rank. We were heading to loutron but being fresh off the boat we didn't know it closed early. The cabbie kindly took us to La isla. Definitely an American style strip joint. Don't get me wrong, some solid 9's here but I wouldn't come all the way to Colombia for that. Place was pretty empty as we were there early. My wingman took a sweety off to the adjoining motel for around 180.00 cop plus hotel. I restrained myself on this occasion due to being paranoid from watching too much tv and only having enough cash for a ride at Loutron on my person and my buddies Amex which la isla don't accept. We pooled our cash and only had enough for one ride and being the gentleman I am I insisted he do the do.

Nice place and very high end but I'm sure there's more to Medellin than this.

-Loutron.

Reminded me of the house from thunderbirds. Cool place and it's worth venturing up there just to check it out. The door lady spun some crap about the house once being owned by Pablo himself, interesting marketing angle..[/QUOTE]

Having spent a lot of time in southeast Asia, and in Indonesia, I can tell you factually: Indonesia is just about the safest place anyone can visit on the planet. Yeah, some of Bandeh Aceh and some parts of Sumatra are full of radical Wahabi Islamic dudes that don't want you there. But, the rest of the nation: Far, far safer than anywhere in the US Europe or South America. Thats just a fact, and by every single crime metric available can't be disputed. Anything anyone says contrary to that is simply patently false.

I've never felt unsafe in Medellin: though I stay out of Centro at night, and only roam around Parque Lleras and Poblado after dark. I keep some cash and a photocopy of my ID in my front pocket, wear jeans with long sleeve button down shirt everywhere: got to dress like the locals do. And I smile at people and don't act like a jerk. Medellin is a great place to hang out.

I am curious if the Mansion exists anymore sans Jake. And if Jake's arrest has changed any of the monger scene in Medellin.

I also can't figure out how you guys even find Medellin chicks on Facebook that are really 'prepagos' or are looking for some fun sexy company. I just don't get how that happens. I go on FB and search Medellin, girls, etc. Nothing leads me to a magical girl that links me to lists of options for my visits.

Last time I was in Medellin, last year: Tinder helped, the Casas were fun, Fase Dos was okay. And I picked up a hot little number at about 130 AM in a bar in Parque LLeras. We had a fantastic (and free) night together.

-but she didn't respond when I messaged her a few weeks after I left Medellin-so that was a true one night stand.

Anyway: I'll be back in April and would love to get a head start setting up some action.

Suggestions?

I started with Buenos Aires 2003 one month 2003, then one year 2005/06, also visiting other countries.

Brazil might be the paradise, according to Ricker, more specifically North East Brazil. But Brazil's currency strategy, holding up a strong Real with 14% Central Bank, down from 18%, which immediately made the Real fall much and rapidly. Can there come a depreciation á la Argentina 2002? If Brazil's, whit it is, export oriented of raw materials still being cheap with the overvalued currency, makes imports for the industry to invest in advanced technology and consumption goods for the population. 1998 Argentina was among the countries that where called Economic Tiger. It was a hoax. And Argentina has been like this since they strated manipulating currency, acting like a criminal country, since the 1960's.

However, Paradise Brazil share Foreign Direct Investments with Mexico 45%-45%, while Argentina gets 3%. Despite problems, Brazil's strategy will hold. Which gives me, a monger / part-time expat, the option to invest in Portuguese and change habits. In Medellin, and Buenos Aires I lived like a King. But after travelling / living in Italy and LA since 1998, I don't mind accepting change of lifestyle. The Lingo, decent behavior, normal looks, in my later 40's, Prepagos; the latest trips, when my level Spanish is not an issue anymore, I can go to Energy, or indepedants, FB, Instagram, CC, Latineuro and find a sweetheart; without the hypnotic addiction to incredible sexy prepagos.

Either way; single / monger with some lady-friends, or a hot GF and stay faithful to her, since IF a serious Latina finds out, all hell breaks loose!

My worries comes from the super-hype of beautiful girls in Medellin that Surf Looker had done a lost of research about. These paisas are over-perfectly sexy. But since mongers has created an inflation, and thus a opportunity for these girls, prices are an issue. But also GF expect gifts etc. And the meaning of prepago vs. GF is very floating. I mean 9-10's, 8's if she is an intelligent girl.

DR then have popped up as an option. And Brazil; 2011 a +9 20-yo girl from Manaus contacted me on BrazilCupid; she thought the age her 20- my 40, was ideal! Her sister lives in Norway and married a Norweigan guy at 20/40. So she wanted to do the same. DR 2015 ; a girl from Azua de Compostela 2015, a 19-yo, not a 10, but 8-9, and still teenagelooks; wanted marriage and she was also very hot mentally, both with heart and body, a lot of, by her initiative, Skype-shows. One memorable; she was in school uniform, and horney, so she made a Skype show for me before going to school. Her sister, 20-yo had met a man, in his 50 even 60, good looking gentleman, and got married and she became quickly pregnant.

But DR, is it boring (Medellin, is a city full of creativity. And the country is now the new destination, like Medellin was 10 years ago. But if there are few things to do, I plan to be there for 3-5 weeks, 3-7 times a year, if the Avianca discount Lifemiles are good, even so for Medellin. There are direct flights from Madrid to both Santo Domingo and Medellin.

Since 2009 I have learned Medellin to be a fantastic place, "Paradise Medellin", like the veteran frank Casio used to name it.

But if living at a lower pace on the sex-front, focusing on The One, or The Ones I really are prepared to pay for; which place is the best? Brazilian girls are said to give you GFE, PSE; but you can get that in Medellin to. But overall, Brazilian girls are ranked as No. 1 lovers. And in the NE Brazil, they are not pushy, dribbling about $$ , which the word says, Dominicanas are.

It's fundamental to have your own hobbies, business, studies and local friends, real friends. In Medellin I blend in much easier, than the darker DRs, which in combination with vast poverty makes me a target.

But if I not expose myself to much, I. E. Partying, getting drunk; and live a life Daytime and having dinner when the "cold" breeze comes in from the sea and the home, risks diminish a lot.

Paisas are beaitiful from the start. Then they add plastic surgery, gym, diets (and cheap drugs that severly lower apetite). They become just too much artificial. Dominicanas are not so beautiful on average, but many have full ass and lips, due to African blood. But great silicone tits are not common. But if not equipped with too much curves, some have curves that amazes me!

Anyone who know Medellin, NE Brazil and DR well, and can give some good advices? // sorry for partial off-topic, but my issue made it necessary /.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1985335]Precious and delicious photos of some yummy Indo's! Because of hundreds of years of religious shit these Muslim bitches probably are real hoes in the sack!

TTM.[/QUOTE]I know it's true about Baptists. Nobody can suck a cock like a good old Southern Baptist girl. Makes me miss working in the south.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1985377]I started with Buenos Aires 2003 one month 2003, then one year 2005/06, also visiting other countries.

Brazil might be the paradise, according to Ricker, more specifically North East Brazil. But Brazil's currency strategy, holding up a strong Real with 14% Central Bank, down from 18%, which immediately made the Real fall much and rapidly. Can there come a depreciation la Argentina 2002? If Brazil's, whit it is, export oriented of raw materials still being cheap with the overvalued currency, makes imports for the industry to invest in advanced technology and consumption goods for the population. 1998 Argentina was among the countries that where called Economic Tiger. It was a hoax. And Argentina has been like this since they strated manipulating currency, acting like a criminal country, since the 1960's.

However, Paradise Brazil share Foreign Direct Investments with Mexico 45%-45%, while Argentina gets 3%. Despite problems, Brazil's strategy will hold. Which gives me, a monger / part-time expat, the option to invest in Portuguese and change habits. In Medellin, and Buenos Aires I lived like a King. But after travelling / living in Italy and LA since 1998, I don't mind accepting change of lifestyle. The Lingo, decent behavior, normal looks, in my later 40's, Prepagos; the latest trips, when my level Spanish is not an issue anymore, I can go to Energy, or indepedants, FB, Instagram, CC, Latineuro and find a sweetheart; without the hypnotic addiction to incredible sexy prepagos..[/QUOTE]Are you planning on getting married? Of the three Dominican Republic is the easiest. Get an account on Dominican Cupid and within 2 weeks you'll have women from all over the country sending photos, videos and doing Skype shows. 18,19, 20 all the way to 40 year old will be contacting you. Most of them want money, or a husband, and it will not take long for them to ask.

Medellin is more difficult. The women are not as forward. They are also not as desperate. They have better economic conditions and more opportunities. There are still those looking for money, but more of them want something else. They don't want to be a wife, unless it will be an exciting life.

For a Dominicana, all that matters is that you can support her and her family. For a Colombiana, you have to support and entertain.

If you're looking for a place for women and all the different types of entertainment, Medellin is a much better choice than the Dominican Republic. The DR will get boring very quickly. Medellin? Go to Santa Marta or Cartagena, or Nuqui for the beach and a completely different lifestyle. Spend $40 for a round trip flight to Bogota for a few days of fun. Head to Manizales or Pereira. The whole country, mountains, sea, rain forest, even desert is easy to get to and cheap to fly there.

I can't speak for Brazil, but my opinion is, go to the DR for a week or two of easy, cheap sex. Go to Medellin if you're going for a long stay.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1985387]I can't speak for Brazil, but my opinion is, go to the DR for a week or two of easy, cheap sex. Go to Medellin if you're going for a long stay.[/QUOTE]I have spent a lot of time in both Medellin and the the DR and I totally agree with your take on both places.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1984760]You can hide all your friends from everyone.... No one sees your friends or the people you are following.[/QUOTE]Yes, I understand that you can hide your friends but in my "real" account it would seem awkward to hide my friends from all my other friends. It's too bad there isn't a feature where you can select certain friends to be hidden rather than a blanket approach. Also, another poster mentioned not being able to figure-out how forum members are able to find Medellin girls through FB using a search feature. I wondered the same thing, how are you guys searching and finding them? Anyway, I'm probably out of the game on FB now since I'm locked-out of my fake account. I already gave one Medellin stripper my main account which probably wasn't a good idea.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1984991]Tell that to the victims, and their families, of the many terrorist attacks that have taken place over the years. I have been to Indonesia but you must not have been otherwise you would be aware of the muslim insurgency that is taking place there and the many women who have been publicly whipped for committing adultery. Which European woman would want to live there?[/QUOTE]As other has said, Indonesia is far safer than any country in Latin America. There have been more deaths in Europe due to terrorism than in Indonesia. In Jakarta, your biggest threat is going to be getting in a traffic accident.

And, MANY western women live in Jakarta. It is an international city with a huge international business community. The upper class bars, clubs and gastropubs are fantasic. The mongering is amazing, the women GFE as it gets, and the food is amazing.

[QUOTE=Buffed;1985519]Yes, I understand that you can hide your friends but in my "real" account it would seem awkward to hide my friends from all my other friends. It's too bad there isn't a feature where you can select certain friends to be hidden rather than a blanket approach. Also, another poster mentioned not being able to figure-out how forum members are able to find Medellin girls through FB using a search feature. I wondered the same thing, how are you guys searching and finding them? Anyway, I'm probably out of the game on FB now since I'm locked-out of my fake account. I already gave one Medellin stripper my main account which probably wasn't a good idea.[/QUOTE]I and Surfer get friends with a awesome medellin babe on FB. Then she has friends. I have 100 ths of fitness-girls, al awesome, but they seldom reply, even if they are prepagos. They have the Gym, partying, part time expensive erotic services and modeling and has so created a strong sub-culture; you can spend 24/7 looking at over-sexy paisas, all the same looks; from the gym exposing 88% of her body, 11% half transparently covered by expensive sport tops, shorts, ; giving you the impression that they are some kind of fitness models.

That is both true and not!. They go to the extreme to get those bodies and faces; but lacks fantasy totally; all look like Pornstars, like the girls from Chica's Car Audio. They start as pretty; the rest is; hard workout, mariujana and cocaine to lower apetite, working in mid-level prepago until she can afford plastic surgery; with gives her back her investment several times from the plastic surgery. They are descreet and arrogant. They are also those girls that did not have the brains and / or money to go to the private universities which gives you the good career, so when ready they go to countires where they make a lot of money; Panamá, Costa Ricas "Del Rey", clients in Brazil, US, and Western Europe; also Dubai and China, Japan. They are very strict about about putting up a false fasade to cover their real lifestyle. Remember that the middle-class is still very small so even if they get a university degree, the salary will be very modest.

Medellin / Colombia has so very much to offer besides these Super Fitness Babes.

I know a few +11 beauties and only one have a normal social behavior, the rest want to be lovers to rich guys and have fun, The fun consists of very expensive holidays, presents, paying for her surgery etc.

But I wonder how the ratio is; rich guys / Super Fitness Babes. I assume that the major part of a year is a boring monotonic life, while those excellent weeks they get, are the only photos they show at FB, Instagram.

[QUOTE=Buffed;1985519]Also, another poster mentioned not being able to figure-out how forum members are able to find Medellin girls through FB using a search feature. I wondered the same thing, how are you guys searching and finding them? Anyway, I'm probably out of the game on FB now since I'm locked-out of my fake account. I already gave one Medellin stripper my main account which probably wasn't a good idea.[/QUOTE]So far I'm getting no luck with FB and Colombian Cupid. Decided to try Colombian Cupid for a month just to see what happens. With Facebook, the girls either don't accept your friend request or they do and won't respond to your messages (with the exception of one chica who I got the name of from a different monger site). On Colombian Cupid they just don't reply to you even if they opened the message, or they respond once or twice then disappear.

I have to say, the Facebook and Colombian Cupid experience so far is not making me excited about dealing with Colombian women on my first trip, so far I'm getting that they are arrogant stuck up bitches, for lack of a better term. I guess we'll see when we get boots on the ground. But the Facebook and Colombian Cupid game is a joke so far, I wouldn't advise any real friend to go that route. And I work from home so I have nothing to do but sit on these sites for (wayyyy too many) hours a day contacting women, and its been useless.

[QUOTE=HotRockIt;1985706]I have to say, the Facebook and Colombian Cupid experience so far is not making me excited about dealing with Colombian women on my first trip, so far I'm getting that they are arrogant stuck up bitches, for lack of a better term. I guess we'll see when we get boots on the ground. But the Facebook and Colombian Cupid game is a joke so far, I wouldn't advise any real friend to go that route. [/QUOTE]Maybe you are doing something wrong. I have sworn by Cupid for almost 12 years now. My first time on it I did not speak Spanish. Even then I had no problem, but said to myself if I could speak Spanish then I would be unstoppable. I learned Spanish and guess what?

For that reason I do not really find it necessary to deal with hookers. Every two years or so I will reactivate my account for the 3 month period. I will meet more chicks than I can handle. Around the 2 year mark when that supply starts dwindling down I will re-up. I have met doctors, lawyers, and everything else on that site. The majority of real girlfriends that I have had in Latin America in the past 10 years I am sure I met them there. It is my bread and butter.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1985644]But I wonder how the ratio is; rich guys / Super Fitness Babes. I assume that the major part of a year is a boring monotonic life, while those excellent weeks they get, are the only photos they show at FB, Instagram.[/QUOTE]You'll notice a lot of those photos of them being on vacation are photos of them alone, haha. They rarely put the photo of the sugar daddy on fb with them unless he's become the official novio. The one I had I would see every couple of months. As far as I know she wasn't traveling with any other guy on any trips, but she was certainly fucking other guys for money because she had no job and needed money for food / rent.

I think them having a sugar daddy is rare. It's usually short term affairs. I've heard so many stories from these girls of that one guy they knew who would buy them everything, take them on vacation. How it all ended after a year. It's the story they will always tell late at night after some drinks. Always the one rich guy who got away.

The thing is it's hard to connect with a girl who only wants you for the money. It's easy to fuck them, but once you're apart you just get on with your life.

I have been on Colombia Cupid for a couple of weeks now in preparation for my trip to Medellin in March. I have meet several girls on here. I have gotten their whatsapp number and even texted through that as well. I guess we will see how successful I am when I get there. At least I will have some contacts to try. I have not tried FB. I do have Tinder and will work with that when I get to Medellin. But as a backup measure. I have already engaged a guide to help me find the chicas. We will see.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1985713]Maybe you are doing something wrong. I have sworn by Cupid for almost 12 years now. My first time on it I did not speak Spanish. Even then I had no problem, but said to myself if I could speak Spanish then I would be unstoppable. I learned Spanish and guess what?

For that reason I do not really find it necessary to deal with hookers. Every two years or so I will reactivate my account for the 3 month period. I will meet more chicks than I can handle. Around the 2 year mark when that supply starts dwindling down I will re-up. I have met doctors, lawyers, and everything else on that site. The majority of real girlfriends that I have had in Latin America in the past 10 years I am sure I met them there. It is my bread and butter.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1985713]Maybe you are doing something wrong. I have sworn by Cupid for almost 12 years now. My first time on it I did not speak Spanish. Even then I had no problem, but said to myself if I could speak Spanish then I would be unstoppable. I learned Spanish and guess what?

For that reason I do not really find it necessary to deal with hookers. Every two years or so I will reactivate my account for the 3 month period. I will meet more chicks than I can handle. Around the 2 year mark when that supply starts dwindling down I will re-up. I have met doctors, lawyers, and everything else on that site. The majority of real girlfriends that I have had in Latin America in the past 10 years I am sure I met them there. It is my bread and butter.[/QUOTE]Weird. I'm 30, athletic, lift weights regularly, speak pretty decent Spanish, and have no problem getting beautiful women in America. Maybe its because I'm African American? I've read that the Paisas are a bit on the prejudice side. I'm just going to scratch the Colombian Cupid and Facebook thing, its just depressing and makes me feel this trip isn't going to be as fun as I thought, as far as chicas go anyway. I'm sure I'll enjoy the country itself either way.

[QUOTE=HotRockIt;1985725]Weird. I'm 30, athletic, lift weights regularly, speak pretty decent Spanish, and have no problem getting beautiful women in America. Maybe its because I'm African American? I've read that the Paisas are a bit on the prejudice side. I'm just going to scratch the Colombian Cupid and Facebook thing, its just depressing and makes me feel this trip isn't going to be as fun as I thought, as far as chicas go anyway. I'm sure I'll enjoy the country itself either way.[/QUOTE]Don't get down on yourself bro. I'm black and I have never ever even felt a little hint of prejudice in Medellin or anywhere in Colombia for that matter and I go down about 8 times a year every year since 2006. The people are very nice. I don't concentrate on those types of things so maybe I'm just blind to it. I have had some real stunners all white Colombians, met there families, and just never got that vibe. It may just be in your head. Plus its a numbers game like anywhere else in the world. I try to crack on at least 20 girls a day, get maybe 10 numbers, 5 may respond to whatsapp, 2 will go out on date ASAP, and ill get lucky with one. My advice is to just approach any girl that is fine in your eyes and throw your game down, especially if you speak Spanish.

15 second rule. Never fails. Just approach.

My 2 cents.

[QUOTE=HotRockIt;1985725]Weird. I'm 30, athletic, lift weights regularly, speak pretty decent Spanish, and have no problem getting beautiful women in America. Maybe its because I'm African American? I've read that the Paisas are a bit on the prejudice side. I'm just going to scratch the Colombian Cupid and Facebook thing, its just depressing and makes me feel this trip isn't going to be as fun as I thought, as far as chicas go anyway. I'm sure I'll enjoy the country itself either way.[/QUOTE]No it's not because you're African American. At least I don't think it is. I was in Medellin back in November and my neighbors were African Americans who visit often and hookup online. They had dates every night and then some from what I could see.

Maybe give it more time?

I have no experience meeting online though. Prefer everything in person. Try Cartagena if you'd like more of a tourist atmosphere where the prepagos are out in public to meet.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1985740]No it's not because you're African American. At least I don't think it is. I was in Medellin back in November and my neighbors were African Americans who visit often and hookup online. They had dates every night and then some from what I could see.

Maybe give it more time?

I have no experience meeting online though. Prefer everything in person. Try Cartagena if you'd like more of a tourist atmosphere where the prepagos are out in public to meet.[/QUOTE]I don't want to sound like I think its all about race, not at all, it was just a quick thought based of some of my readings online. I'm not depressed about the trip, just saying the FB and CC thing was a kinda depressing process, but I'll give it more time. I'm very excited about my first trip to Colombia, and its my birthday trip! I know when I get on the ground in the clubs and massage parlors with the working girls I'll have a great time. Also, I'm flying into Cartagena for 4 days, then to Medellin for 5 days, so I'll get to experience both.

[QUOTE=HotRockIt;1985725]Weird. I'm 30, athletic, lift weights regularly, speak pretty decent Spanish, and have no problem getting beautiful women in America. Maybe its because I'm African American?[/QUOTE]Maybe it is weird. I'm 44, Black, and 50 lbs heavier than when I was in the Navy 25 years ago. This one chick in Cali in the pic just hit me up out of the blue a minute ago.

This time the game is free!

JL nailed it. It is all a numbers game. Get on and click who's online. Go through and show interest to all the chicks you like. I don't bother with the people who only have 1 picture though. When they show interest back send them a mail saying Hello, how are you doing, what are you doing now? (in Spanish of course) After they respond say do you have whatsapp. Add them to whatsapp and talk shit. I always say stuff like what is your family going to say if you date a foreigner. I really don't have a routine. Every conversation is on a case by case basis. If I am feeling that a chick really wants to meet me then I will say I will only come to where ever if you come stay with me. Then see where it leads.

If I was you I would not tell a chick I plan on coming to Colombia. Just say that you go to Colombia all the time. Most chicks are impressed when I say something about some obscure shit that most visiting foreigers would not know. For instance if talking to someone in Medellin I might mention that I always stay down by Parque Berrio. Then after you are talking to them good say you have some free time and you are thinking about going to Colombia on such and such date. That makes them feel more special than you already having planned to go to Colombia and are looking for someone to kick it with while you are there.

This one chick keeps hitting me up on whatsapp every few days. Each time I will say who is this. Today she said you deleted me? I said no. She said well why do you not know who I am. I said it is just that I don't save anybody's name until after we have made love. She said oh really. I said yes. She said sooo? I said when do you want to do it. She said we can today if you are available.

Years back a chick hit me up and said she was 16. I said no way hit me back when you turn 18. She said but my parents won't mind. I said but I do. Just as sure as the Pope is Catholic she hit me up when she turned 18, might have been on her damn birthday even. I used to go see her in Cali and her parents always made me stay in their house, mom cooked 3 meals each day. We ended up breaking up because she insisted on getting married before visiting the USA. Now she is married to a Colombian and has a baby girl. We are still friends.

I have endless stories from the Cupid sites.

[QUOTE=HotRockIt;1985742]I don't want to sound like I think its all about race, not at all, it was just a quick thought based of some of my readings online. I'm not depressed about the trip, just saying the FB and CC thing was a kinda depressing process, but I'll give it more time. I'm very excited about my first trip to Colombia, and its my birthday trip! I know when I get on the ground in the clubs and massage parlors with the working girls I'll have a great time. Also, I'm flying into Cartagena for 4 days, then to Medellin for 5 days, so I'll get to experience both.[/QUOTE]CC is a harder nut to crack than some others. Dominican Cupid or Latin American Cupid, just put up a profile, with a couple of decent pics and log on every day. You can search and hit the interest button on the ones you like, but you don't need to. You will get plenty of Dominicanas sending you messages. On LAC, you'll get the Venezuelans too.

The Colombianas aren't as forward and your youth may be a liability. If you look too young, you don't look established enough. The age difference isn't such a big deal there. Try some pictures that are more serious, rather than trying to be a stud.

You're not going to be able to hold their attention long. More than 3 or 4 weeks out, it'll be tough. You can always, if it's longer, get them on Whatsapp and then be a bit vague about your schedule. Make shit up about work or another trip. Then hit them up again 10 days before. Lay on the charm, heavy on the compliments and make it sound like you've changed plans just to meet her (and the other 10 too). Set something up, tentative, and go from there.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;1985374]Having spent a lot of time in southeast Asia, and in Indonesia, I can tell you factually: Indonesia is just about the safest place anyone can visit on the planet. Yeah, some of Bandeh Aceh and some parts of Sumatra are full of radical Wahabi Islamic dudes that don't want you there. But, the rest of the nation: Far, far safer than anywhere in the US Europe or South America. Thats just a fact, and by every single crime metric available can't be disputed. Anything anyone says contrary to that is simply patently false.[/QUOTE]He also wrote:

[I]"I have been to Indonesia but you must not have been otherwise you would be aware of the muslim insurgency that is taking place there and the many women who have been publicly whipped for committing adultery."[/I]

Gross bullshit. I would simply disregard the troll, but someone who never went to SouthEast Asia might believe that. Bettet to point out bullshit, when we see it. That's the good of the Internet: anyone can write anything, but then people also comment. Surely, "public whipping" is laughable.

Latineuro mostly have young very good looking girls. It's much more serious than CC. According to me, and also to amigas in Medellin. The guys ask for relationship, the girls looks for long term, in much greater extent than in CC. My best friend Karen, now married to a Spanyard said it was "completely different" than CC, where $/ sex dominates. At CC the popular ones get enormous attention and can get whatever they want. At Latineuro "all" girls are goodlooking. There is a deal 200 addresses for 99 $US. God response. Girls mostly from Brazil, Colombia and the. Are.

I met my X, a real Pocahontas while she was waiting for the bus and I asked her if she wanted to have a coffee with me. Spanish is needed, but ask girls in daytime, IRL, opens up a totally extra dimension. Many girls don't like internet at all, or just have a profile but are rarely active.

I strongly recommend to add Latineuro and IRL, since FB, CC, Instagram etc have so many girls and they get 100's if not 1000's of replies.

Daytime Fishing in public areas, like Centro Comerciales or a bus Stop, are environment where the girl are secure. Many girls are by nature scared to just go home to a foreigners apartment, even if I have had many visitors.

IRL daytime the girl see who you are and can make a judgement from her spontaneous instincts.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1985932]IRL daytime the girl see who you are and can make a judgement from her spontaneous instincts.[/QUOTE]What is IRL Daytime?

[QUOTE=Psychman;1985610]As other has said, Indonesia is far safer than any country in Latin America. There have been more deaths in Europe due to terrorism than in Indonesia. In Jakarta, your biggest threat is going to be getting in a traffic accident.

And, MANY western women live in Jakarta. It is an international city with a huge international business community. The upper class bars, clubs and gastropubs are fantasic. The mongering is amazing, the women GFE as it gets, and the food is amazing.[/QUOTE]Just saw this article. Interesting reading on the Indonesia discussion.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/14/jakarta-the-unlikely-capital-city-of-sex-and-swinging?CMP=fb_gu[/URL]

Is that an acronym for "In Real Light"? Really hard to understand this dudes posts.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1985969]What is IRL Daytime?[/QUOTE]On a similar note. A chica reached out to me on [URL]CC.com[/URL]. Setup a date for tonight. 100% sure she's a Prepago especially when the text message is followed by "Amor". That's kinda like when your in a Las Vegas Hotel Bar and a girl mentions the word "Party". Anyways, she wanted to meet me at my APT, but that's a bit of a risk. Going to meet her at a Cafe, and take it from there. We'll see what happens.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1985644]mariujana to lower apetite[/QUOTE]This is a new one to me?

Best Regards.

Smuler.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1985744]Maybe it is weird. I'm 44, Black, and 50 lbs heavier than when I was in the Navy 25 years ago. This one chick in Cali in the pic just hit me up out of the blue a minute ago.

This time the game is free!

JL nailed it. It is all a numbers game. Get on and click who's online. Go through and show interest to all the chicks you like. I don't bother with the people who only have 1 picture though. When they show interest back send them a mail saying Hello, how are you doing, what are you doing now? (in Spanish of course) After they respond say do you have whatsapp. Add them to whatsapp and talk shit. I always say stuff like what is your family going to say if you date a foreigner. I really don't have a routine. Every conversation is on a case by case basis. If I am feeling that a chick really wants to meet me then I will say I will only come to where ever if you come stay with me. Then see where it leads.

If I was you I would not tell a chick I plan on coming to Colombia. Just say that you go to Colombia all the time. Most chicks are impressed when I say something about some obscure shit that most visiting foreigers would not know. For instance if talking to someone in Medellin I might mention that I always stay down by Parque Berrio. Then after you are talking to them good say you have some free time and you are thinking about going to Colombia on such and such date. That makes them feel more special than you already having planned to go to Colombia and are looking for someone to kick it with while you are there.

This one chick keeps hitting me up on whatsapp every few days. Each time I will say who is this. Today she said you deleted me? I said no. She said well why do you not know who I am. I said it is just that I don't save anybody's name until after we have made love. She said oh really. I said yes. She said sooo? I said when do you want to do it. She said we can today if you are available.

Years back a chick hit me up and said she was 16. I said no way hit me back when you turn 18. She said but my parents won't mind. I said but I do. Just as sure as the Pope is Catholic she hit me up when she turned 18, might have been on her damn birthday even. I used to go see her in Cali and her parents always made me stay in their house, mom cooked 3 meals each day. We ended up breaking up because she insisted on getting married before visiting the USA. Now she is married to a Colombian and has a baby girl. We are still friends.

I have endless stories from the Cupid sites.[/QUOTE]Yeah man, the Cupid sites work well for me too. One question: how would you compare and contrast say chicas you have via Cupid in Puerto Plata (so, not vs SD, or Sousa or Boca Chica) that prefer not to be seen walking around in Sosua, with chicas you have met via Cupid sites in the Medellin area?

Also, are you by any chance in Pattaya now? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1986073]Yeah man, the Cupid sites work well for me too. One question: how would you compare and contrast say chicas you have via Cupid in Puerto Plata (so, not vs SD, or Sousa or Boca Chica) that prefer not to be seen walking around in Sosua, with chicas you have met via Cupid sites in the Medellin area?

Also, are you by any chance in Pattaya now? Thanks![/QUOTE]On my way to Rio this week. I will not get to Thailand until Feb 14 (I read your first report).

I don't know of any chicks that do not want to be seen walking around Sosua with me. I do not know where that comes from; guys saying do not tell chicks that you are in Sosua. Chicks I know as far as Santiago will take off work and take the bus to come see me there. And none of these chicks I have ever given money to in all the years I have known them. I have also not had a chick in Puerto Plata who has not come to see me in Sosua. My two main chicks in Puerto Plata always fuss about me staying there because they don't want to make the drive but they both have cars and end up driving there to see me anyway.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1986077]On my way to Rio this week. I will not get to Thailand until Feb 14 (I read your first report).

I don't know of any chicks that do not want to be seen walking around Sosua with me. I do not know where that comes from; guys saying do not tell chicks that you are in Sosua. Chicks I know as far as Santiago will take off work and take the bus to come see me there. And none of these chicks I have ever given money to in all the years I have known them. I have also not had a chick in Puerto Plata who has not come to see me in Sosua. My two main chicks in Puerto Plata always fuss about me staying there because they don't want to make the drive but they both have cars and end up driving there to see me anyway.[/QUOTE]Ok, thanks. I dunno but it's been my experience that some (say 25 pc) of chicas I have met do not want to be seen walking around in Sosua. But they are totally fine hanging around at Playa de Sosua, LOL! Many chicas wear scarves, or similar, tied completely over their heads and ears (when they get off the carrito) and they say Sosua es malo etc. And they ask me to stay in Costambar or Cabarete.

Anyways, re Medellin, how would you say the Cupid chicas are vs in Pto Pta? I am very interested in your opinion on this as the Cupid sites work well for me and so many Medellin chicas express interest and write, but I have never been. LOL. And have a great time in Brasil (I was in SP this exact time in 2016).

Sorry, I will miss you here again as I leave Feb 7th. I think I am going to temporarily wife up here (not what I planned to do LOL) for about 10 days or so with the Udon Thani girl just like I did for 2 weeks (a couple of months ago) when I was in Lima. For whatever reason, culturally, I'm just not feeling it for the girls here as I do with Latin chicas.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1985969]What is IRL Daytime?[/QUOTE]In Real Life.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1985983]Just saw this article. Interesting reading on the Indonesia discussion.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/14/jakarta-the-unlikely-capital-city-of-sex-and-swinging?CMP=fb_gu[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow. So no public whipping for those sinners?

BTW, I got the same surprise years ago, when I participated to my first swingers' party in KL (first in KL, I mean). I discovered a whole underground world, in a country where Islamic law is taken way more seriously.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1986110]Wow. So no public whipping for those sinners?

BTW, I got the same surprise years ago, when I participated to my first swingers' party in KL (first in KL, I mean). I discovered a whole underground world, in a country where Islamic law is taken way more seriously.[/QUOTE]I'm here in the heart of the Midwest Bible Belt, and the underground sex scene is alive and kicking here. The more repressed the local area is, the more active the swing scene.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1986126]I'm here in the heart of the Midwest Bible Belt, and the underground sex scene is alive and kicking here. The more repressed the local area is, the more active the swing scene.[/QUOTE]I must travel to check Saudi Arabia.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1983394][URL]http://www.minuto30.com/fallecio-ciudadano-estadounidense-que-estaba-preso-en-la-carcel-de-itagui-tras-intento-de-suicidio/581727/[/URL]
Be sure to read the comments below the article, many are tired of gringos in Colombia for sex.
In other news, back in November Cuba Dave got 5 years prison sentence in Costa Rica.[/QUOTE]This JD guy is a POS (piece of shit). Post a real report about women you actually fuck.

Not one post in the last ten about how you are getting laid in Medellin.

Please cut out the other bullshit.

I made a List and map where to get laid in Medellin.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=1hvmdDiXW1n5FFfGbNmv4gZN8AMQ&ll=6.22511296054741%2C-75.57380788278806&z=13[/URL]

Oh yes, they have Swing clubs in Medellin.

I made a new thread for all you guys that do not have any information on the chicas in Medellin.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1986304]This JD guy is a POS (piece of shit). Post a real report about women you actually fuck.[/QUOTE]I agree, this news is actually old as shit. And apparently, the guy Jake was pimping [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls and they have evidence. So he wouldn't have been arrested had he been having sex with girls over 18. So lets drop this topic and move on. Also, Cuba Dave is irrelevant, he was never in Colombia.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1986310]Not one post in the last ten about how you are getting laid in Medellin.

Please cut out the other bullshit.

I made a List and map where to get laid in Medellin.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=1hvmdDiXW1n5FFfGbNmv4gZN8AMQ&ll=6.22511296054741%2C-75.57380788278806&z=13[/URL]

Oh yes, they have Swing clubs in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Wow, thanks for the report mate. Its guys like you that make this board so great and well worth the 20 dollars lifetime fee.

Hello, World Travel 69 Would you please post a link to MDE maps that does not require google login. I appreciate your posts. Thank you in advance. Your mailbox has exceeded the limits.

The reason that the Map is accessed only by permission is that too many assholes made themselves Assholes in Colombia and most likely other S. A. Countries.

The first Map was deleted for that reason. If you guys cannot not act like Gentlemen you do not need My work.

Find how hard it is to locate these places without help. You would have to Read The Fucking Forum: That means all the pages for the last 15 years, like I did, plus knock on doors and ask questions.

Permission is required.

You are lucky I don't require that in the other cities of Colombia or in S. A. And other countries outside the USA.

[QUOTE=Questner;1986531]Hello, World Travel 69 Would you please post a link to MDE maps that does not require google login. I appreciate your posts. Thank you in advance. Your mailbox has exceeded the limits.[/QUOTE]

Anyone here been to La Isla recently and banged a chica for 250 k? Last time I was there with my buddy they were asking for 300 k and weren't negotiating.

[QUOTE=Rochesterss;1986601]Anyone here been to La Isla recently and banged a chica for 250 k? Last time I was there with my buddy they were asking for 300 k and weren't negotiating.[/QUOTE]If you can wait, get their # and pay them 150 k to come over the next day. If you can't wait, it sounds like you may have to pay up.

[QUOTE=Combo;1986897]If you can wait, get their # and pay them 150 k to come over the next day. If you can't wait, it sounds like you may have to pay up.[/QUOTE]Has that worked for you at la Isla before? I was there in December and the chica I took down (which coast me 300 k even though the Medellin map has la Isla chicas listed at 250 k which is why I asked) said a couple girls had been fired for giving out numbers. You can still get them (I did) but if you're not taking the girl to the back room they are much more reluctant to give out their number.

Does anyone know where to buy Sildenafil in Medellin.

[QUOTE=You69Me;1986916]Does anyone know where to buy Sildenafil in Medellin.[/QUOTE]At any pharmacy.

Is this a trick question? There should be one nearby, wherever you're staying.

[QUOTE=Rochesterss;1986898]Has that worked for you at la Isla before? I was there in December and the chica I took down (which coast me 300 k even though the Medellin map has la Isla chicas listed at 250 k which is why I asked) said a couple girls had been fired for giving out numbers. You can still get them (I did) but if you're not taking the girl to the back room they are much more reluctant to give out their number.[/QUOTE]Yes. Also at Fase 2.

I am on my way back to Seattle and I found this website very interesting. Actually you can see the face of the girl, escort o whatever you want to call. Great service, I will write more later, but take a look. Colombiangfe is the web page. Com of course.

Hey guys, do pharmacies sell Vicodin (or Sinalgen) or any nootropics like Modanfinil? Is it possible to get without prescription? What is their version of Tylenol 3? Any info would be appreciated. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Culture;1987401]Hey guys, do pharmacies sell Vicodin (or Sinalgen) or any nootropics like Modanfinil? Is it possible to get without prescription? What is their version of Tylenol 3? Any info would be appreciated. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Maybe you are going to pay a little be more, but you can buy anything without prescription.

I don't recommend it but yes you can buy generic medicine.

I have not been able to find the Tamiflu anywhere to buy without a prescription, even in Mde. Anyone have any ideas on where to get a couple of them?

Sildenafil works fast no hangover for me- 1/4 pill or even less is enough. I bought my Sildenafil in Buenos Aires.

Best foods are celery garlic hardboiled eggs and certain types of seafood. There are tons of remedies.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1986953]At any pharmacy.

Is this a trick question? There should be one nearby, wherever you're staying.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Culture;1987401]Hey guys, do pharmacies sell Vicodin (or Sinalgen) or any nootropics like Modanfinil? Is it possible to get without prescription? What is their version of Tylenol 3? Any info would be appreciated. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Sinalgen is actually the equivalent to Percocet in North America. I recommend the 5/325 formula to the 5/500 formula just because acetaminophen is very toxic to the liver. I've purchased modafinil at the pharmacy that is attached to a mental health clinic. I believe it was on Carrera 33 somewhere. I can look for the receipt if you want the specifics. It is sold as Neoresotyl 150 MG. Aka modafinilo.

And, you cannot "buy anything without a prescription" . Oxycontin, and lorazepam, for example, require a prescription. (although I did once buy lorazepam once over the counter in Barranquilla, I have not succeeded again since). Consider stocking up on Zolpidem if you like a sleep aid. Many MDs in US are becoming reluctant to dispense it due to anecdotal reports of sleep walking and people even driving while asleep.

[QUOTE=JuveCar;1987592]Maybe you are going to pay a little be more, but you can buy anything without prescription.

I don't recommend it but yes you can buy generic medicine.[/QUOTE]That used to be the case but they've started restricting it. Nothing I've ever asked for needed one and I don't know exactly what does.

I've never had a problem with generics from a proper pharmacy. If you go to a dodgy one in the barrios that's another matter.

[QUOTE=RioGuest;1987754]I have not been able to find the Tamiflu anywhere to buy without a prescription, even in Mde. Anyone have any ideas on where to get a couple of them?[/QUOTE]Ask for Tazimir:

[URL]https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oseltamivir[/URL]

[I](I apologize in advance if for a continued period of time I keep on posting OOT, but I cannot refrain to post if rectification/completion of a wrong/incomplete claim is truly needed, to the benefit of all ISG readers)[/I]

[QUOTE=You69Me;1987805]Sildenafil works fast no hangover for me- 1/4 pill or even less is enough. I bought my Sildenafil in Buenos Aires.[/QUOTE]The above suggestion is a non-sense if you don't specify how many mg of Sildenafil are included in 1 pill.

As a matter of fact, Viagra / Sildenafil comes in 25mg, 50mg or 100mg denominations, but generic Sildenafil in Colombia is exclusively 50mg. Please note: 25mg is the minimum dose, 50mg the average dose, 100mg the maximum recommended to not be exceeded per day. Since the minimum dose is 25mg, 1/4 of 50mg pill is a negligibile amount and will have no effect. Even if you cut a 100mg pill, less than 1/4 will have little or no effect besides placebo (btw, are you able to cut well a small pill in 4 reasonably equal parts, even with a pill cutter?)

If what you claim above is true (" works fast no hangover for me- 1/4 pill or even less is enough") I'd say you have no need of chemical aid to have a rock-hard erection for a long time. Good for you. I am not so lucky. :p

PS: Genfar produces 50mg pills which have a groove in the middle, which makes easy to break them in two ~25mg halves using fingers without need of scissors or pill cutter. Another good feature of Genfar is that they sell 4x25mg boxes with ONE blister including FOUR 50mg pills, instead of FOUR large blisters each carrying ONE pill as most other brands. That is very convenient if you want to buy some dozens to bring back home where Sildenafil is way more expensive and requires prescription (as in my country, sigh!)

At Black Page. I was posting my own experience. Read properly before being rude.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1987998][I](I apologize in advance if for a continued period of time I keep on posting OOT, but I cannot refrain to post if rectification/completion of a wrong/incomplete claim is truly needed, to the benefit of all ISG readers)[/I]

The above suggestion is a non-sense if you don't specify how many mg of Sildenafil are included in 1 pill.

As a matter of fact, Viagra / Sildenafil comes in 25mg, 50mg or 100mg denominations, but generic Sildenafil in Colombia is exclusively 50mg. Please note: 25mg is the minimum dose, 50mg the average dose, 100mg the maximum recommended to not be exceeded per day. Since the minimum dose is 25mg, 1/4 of 50mg pill is a negligibile amount and will have no effect. Even if you cut a 100mg pill, less than 1/4 will have little or no effect besides placebo (btw, are you able to cut well a small pill in 4 reasonably equal parts, even with a pill cutter?)

If what you claim above is true (" works fast no hangover for me- 1/4 pill or even less is enough") I'd say you have no need of chemical aid to have a rock-hard erection for a long time. Good for you. I am not so lucky. :p

PS: Genfar produces 50mg pills which have a groove in the middle, which makes easy to break them in two ~25mg halves using fingers without need of scissors or pill cutter. Another good feature of Genfar is that they sell 4x25mg boxes with ONE blister including FOUR 50mg pills, instead of FOUR large blisters each carrying ONE pill as most other brands. That is very convenient if you want to buy some dozens to bring back home where Sildenafil is way more expensive and requires prescription (as in my country, sigh!)[/QUOTE]

Hello fellas,

I'll be visiting MDE next weekend and seeing if anyone has any recommendations on places to stay hotels near the action / nightlife that are safe and chica friendly. Also what's the best bars / clubs these days I've been to MDE but it's been many years. Thanks for all the insight and fantastic map list that was provided you guys rock.

[QUOTE=Rochesterss;1986601]Anyone here been to La Isla recently and banged a chica for 250 k? Last time I was there with my buddy they were asking for 300 k and weren't negotiating.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to re-emphasize that it's not gringos causing this price stucture. I went to La Isla around the time it first opened back in 2012 and they were asking for just as much back then. For on-site action mind you! Me and two other guys were the only gringos in the entire establishment.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1988093]Just wanted to re-emphasize that it's not gringos causing this price stucture. I went to La Isla around the time it first opened back in 2012 and they were asking for just as much back then. For on-site action mind you! Me and two other guys were the only gringos in the entire establishment.[/QUOTE]In my experience (more with Fase 2 than with la Isla) Gringos are more likely to actually do a session with the girl. A high percentage of the Colombians sit, drink, and flirt with the girls without actually sessioning with them in the club. I'm guessing the getting the # thing is more of a Colombian M. O. Than a gringo thing.

[QUOTE=You69Me;1988021]At Black Page. I was posting my own experience. Read properly before being rude.[/QUOTE]This is astonishing. Rude? Where was I rude?? :confused: That was not my intention. No need.

"Read properly" indeed: my (non-rude) post and the drug instructions available in the box. A plain rectification and presentation of facts was needed to the benefit of everyone who uses S. Without personal attack.

One the web there's full freedom of speech. Anyone can claim anything. But we all are also exposed to fact checking or just naughty comments by everyone else. Peace!
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Ever since New Life raised their rates, and the service is so hit or miss, I've been hittin a place known on the casa map as Sexy Fantasias Two. It's located across from Parque Bolivar. Even though there's only a lineup of 6 - 8 at any given time, they have a good selection of spinners, and big ass girls. Service has ranged from pretty good to outstanding (valeria and a black girl who name escapes me.) If you don't have access to the casa map, you can pull up Google Maps and find it from there. Again, it's the street, Carrera 47, that runs adjacent between Parque Bolivar and Avenida Oriental. Its entrance is next to Premium Plaza Hotel. You'll know you have the right place when you see the 70's style bead door curtains. Price is 40 mil for half hour. Or, for an extra 10 mil, you can bang them in the hotel upstairs which has nicer rooms.

Also checked out Zandalays which is on the same street just before it hits Avenida Oriental. If you like chicas that are slightly thicker, but not what I would consider fat, this is the place for you. Price is only 35 mil for half hour. I chose this really cute thick chica named Paola. Nice real Deee sized tits. Best set of tits I've had at a casas so far. A tad on the thick side, but a fair trade off to suck on her gorgeous tits.

Another place I visited was located in Laureles which is where I'm living now. Easily the hottest chica I've banged on this trip. A real stunner who was just ripped! Black hair, tall, bolt-ONS but still soft to the touch, and this juicy little round ass. She could easily command 200 to 300 mil which might be what she charges for outcall. Incall was only 90 mil for half hour. She advertises on one of those prepago websites. The beauty of their setup is the place is fronted by a Travel Agency. I don't want to give out the address, because it's in a residential neighborhood. And, I don't want a bunch of horny gringos running down to this place, bangin on their door, and fuckin up their setup. If you're interested drop me a PM, I'll give you their #, and you can take it from there. I think there's about 3 or 4 who work there. Now that I think about it. I couldn't give you the address anyways since my phone got jacked last week.

Late,

Judd.

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;1987848]Sinalgen is actually the equivalent to Percocet in North America. I recommend the 5/325 formula to the 5/500 formula just because acetaminophen is very toxic to the liver. I've purchased modafinil at the pharmacy that is attached to a mental health clinic. I believe it was on Carrera 33 somewhere. I can look for the receipt if you want the specifics. It is sold as Neoresotyl 150 MG. Aka modafinilo.

And, you cannot "buy anything without a prescription" . Oxycontin, and lorazepam, for example, require a prescription. (although I did once buy lorazepam once over the counter in Barranquilla, I have not succeeded again since). Consider stocking up on Zolpidem if you like a sleep aid. Many MDs in US are becoming reluctant to dispense it due to anecdotal reports of sleep walking and people even driving while asleep.[/QUOTE]If you can get me the address it will be much appreciated!

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[QUOTE=BlueBalls23;1988052]Hello fellas,

I'll be visiting MDE next weekend and seeing if anyone has any recommendations on places to stay hotels near the action / nightlife that are safe and chica friendly. Also what's the best bars / clubs these days I've been to MDE but it's been many years. Thanks for all the insight and fantastic map list that was provided you guys rock.[/QUOTE]You'll get a lot of responses with differing opinions to your post. Some will say rent an apartment, others will say stay in a hotel. Here is what worked for me in late 2015:

[URL]http://en.siteshotel.com/[/URL]

The hotel is near Oviedo Mall and Parque Lleras, with an Exito Supermarket, Pasteur Pharmacy, and Metro stop also nearby. If / when you make a reservation at Sites, be sure to make the reservation for two people if you want to bring a chica back to your room. If you make the reservation for two people and bring the chica back to your room, the chica fee is only 7,500 COP. But if you make the reservation for one person and then bring a chica back to your room, the chica fee is a much-higher 100,000 COP.

[QUOTE=You69Me;1988021]At Black Page. I was posting my own experience. Read properly before being rude.[/QUOTE]Hey, I'd advise you to join the ranks of posters ignoring that troll.

[QUOTE=Judd;1988217]Ever since New Life raised their rates, and the service is so hit or miss, I've been hittin a place known on the casa map as Sexy Fantasias Two. It's located across from Parque Bolivar. Even though there's only a lineup of 6 - 8 at any given time, they have a good selection of spinners, and big ass girls. Service has ranged from pretty good to outstanding (valeria and a black girl who name escapes me.) If you don't have access to the casa map, you can pull up Google Maps and find it from there. Again, it's the street, Carrera 47, that runs adjacent between Parque Bolivar and Avenida Oriental. Its entrance is next to Premium Plaza Hotel. You'll know you have the right place when you see the 70's style bead door curtains. Price is 40 mil for half hour. Or, for an extra 10 mil, you can bang them in the hotel upstairs which has nicer rooms.

Also checked out Zandalays which is on the same street just before it hits Avenida Oriental. If you like chicas that are slightly thicker, but not what I would consider fat, this is the place for you. Price is only 35 mil for half hour. I chose this really cute thick chica named Paola. Nice real Deee sized tits. Best set of tits I've had at a casas so far. A tad on the thick side, but a fair trade off to suck on her gorgeous tits.

Another place I visited was located in Laureles which is where I'm living now. Easily the hottest chica I've banged on this trip. A real stunner who was just ripped! Black hair, tall, bolt-ONS but still soft to the touch, and this juicy little round ass. She could easily command 200 to 300 mil which might be what she charges for outcall. Incall was only 90 mil for half hour. She advertises on one of those prepago websites. The beauty of their setup is the place is fronted by a Travel Agency. I don't want to give out the address, because it's in a residential neighborhood. And, I don't want a bunch of horny gringos running down to this place, bangin on their door, and fuckin up their setup. If you're interested drop me a PM, I'll give you their #, and you can take it from there. I think there's about 3 or 4 who work there. Now that I think about it. I couldn't give you the address anyways since my phone got jacked last week.

Late,

Judd.[/QUOTE]I don't think the price rise is that much big of an issue but I must admit the quality at NL has fallen off a bit. In my four week visit to Medellin last Nov / Dec I was introduced to the following chicas half of whom I sessioned:

(1) Alexa*.

(2) Alison.

(3) Andrea.

(4) Anna.

(5) Angelica.

(6) Angie.

(7) Ariana.

(8) Camilla*.

(9) Caorlie.

(10) Carolina*.

(11) Christina.

(12) Dulce*.

(13) Elisa.

(14) Everline.

(15) Fernanda.

(16) Ivana*.

(17) Juanita.

(18) Jessica*.

(19) Juliana*.

(20) Julietta.

(21) Kelly.

(22) Lady.

(23) Luciana.

(24) Luiza.

(25) Luna.

(26) Luva.

(27) Marisa.

(28) Melanie.

(29) Milena.

(30) Michelle.

(31) Natalie.

(32) Nicole.

(33) Paloma.

(34) Sada.

(35) Salome.

(36) Samantha.

(37) Suzannah.

(38) Tatiana*.

(39) Valentina.

(40) Valerie.

(41) Veronica.

(42) Violeta*.

(43) Viviana.

(44) Wendy.

The harsh star rating (being excellent, no stars being. I'd look for better options) is for looks not service. I generally got similar to better service at other casas. Also looks varied from worse to similar to better at other casas. The only casa where I would say I got altogether worse service was chicas punto com. I don't know whether popularity with foreign mongers affects service.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1988329]Hey, I'd advise you to join the ranks of posters ignoring that troll.[/QUOTE]Your history of misleading posts qualifies you. That's well known already. Write facts and don't name if you ignore about a subject.
About me, I will not refrain to point out wrong information, if I see any IMHO, and without personal bias in favour or against the poster. Someone might be misled and it's duty of older members to rectify (rectification of rectifications are always possible). Reputation is built over history, post after post, and we cannot change it in the mind of people.

[QUOTE=Culture;1988221]If you can get me the address it will be much appreciated!

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[QUOTE=BlueBalls23;1988052]Hello fellas,

I'll be visiting MDE next weekend and seeing if anyone has any recommendations on places to stay hotels near the action / nightlife that are safe and chica friendly. Also what's the best bars / clubs these days I've been to MDE but it's been many years. Thanks for all the insight and fantastic map list that was provided you guys rock.[/QUOTE]

Right. The price increase is not a big deal. I just used it as an opportunity to hit some lesser known casas. I, also, wanted to give the place a break since I was seeing the same lineup every time I went there. Hopefully, there will be some turnover the next time I decide to check it out. While the other casas don't have anywhere near the volume as NL, there's quality out there. It seems like there's always one or two gems at the clubs I visited. Two exceptions being [URL]puntos.com[/URL], and Casa De Fantasias. While Puntos has a good 10 to 12 chicas in their lineup, there's rarely anything of quality at that place.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1988333]I don't think the price rise is that much big of an issue but I must admit the quality at NL has fallen off a bit. In my four week visit to Medellin last Nov / Dec I was introduced to the following chicas half of whom I sessioned:

(1) Alexa*.

(2) Alison.

(3) Andrea.

(4) Anna.

(5) Angelica.

(6) Angie.

(7) Ariana.

(8) Camilla*.

(9) Caorlie.

(10) Carolina*.

(11) Christina.

(12) Dulce*.

(13) Elisa.

(14) Everline.

(15) Fernanda.

(16) Ivana*.

(17) Juanita.

(18) Jessica*.

(19) Juliana*.

(20) Julietta.

(21) Kelly.

(22) Lady.

(23) Luciana.

(24) Luiza.

(25) Luna.

(26) Luva.

(27) Marisa.

(28) Melanie.

(29) Milena.

(30) Michelle.

(31) Natalie.

(32) Nicole.

(33) Paloma.

(34) Sada.

(35) Salome.

(36) Samantha.

(37) Suzannah.

(38) Tatiana*.

(39) Valentina.

(40) Valerie.

(41) Veronica.

(42) Violeta*.

(43) Viviana.

(44) Wendy.

The harsh star rating (being excellent, no stars being. I'd look for better options) is for looks not service. I generally got similar to better service at other casas. Also looks varied from worse to similar to better at other casas. The only casa where I would say I got altogether worse service was chicas punto com. I don't know whether popularity with foreign mongers affects service.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Judd;1988595]Right. The price increase is not a big deal. I just used it as an opportunity to hit some lesser known casas. I, also, wanted to give the place a break since I was seeing the same lineup every time I went there. Hopefully, there will be some turnover the next time I decide to check it out. While the other casas don't have anywhere near the volume as NL, there's quality out there. It seems like there's always one or two gems at the clubs I visited. Two exceptions being [URL]puntos.com[/URL], and Casa De Fantasias. While Puntos has a good 10 to 12 chicas in their lineup, there's rarely anything of quality at that place.[/QUOTE]I must admit that in terms of looks I found that Energy had, on average, the best. However, in terms of performance they were generally below average. Is one getting value of money here? It would be good to hear from other punters. I would admit, however, that I undoubtedly got value of money at many other casas less frequently mentioned on this board. Lineup at Energy as follows, like NL stars are for looks not service, like NL sessioned with about half of those mentioned here:

(1) Andrea ***.

(2) Angelica ***.

(3) Annie.

(4) Caren.

(5) Catalini**.

(6) Daniella **.

(7) Dulce (sb).

(8) Fernanda *.

(9) Isabella *.

(10) Julieta *.

(11) Lauda *.

(12) Lena.

(13) Luiza**.

(14) Marvin **.

(15) Mia **.

(16) Michelle.

(17) Paulina***.

(18) Sada.

(19) Salome ***.

(20) Sofia **.

(21) Stephanie *.

(22) Suzannah.

(23) Vale *.

(24) Valerie**.

(25) Valentina.

(26) Vanessa ***.

It just occurred to me that when you cut and paste all stars become one star. I did not see anyone at NL to give three stars to but the following I gave two.

(1) Carolina**.

(2) Juliana**.

(3) Violeta**

If you cut and paste you have to edit to change the number of stars.