FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

[QUOTE=Happy Fkk; 1451622]Where is this thread now? It seems linked to Germany. FKK Clubs but if you click there, I can't see Fkk Arabella.

Why all these clubs don't have their own thread like before and as it should be?

Maybe someone should open a Germany. Other Clubs or Germany. Small Clubs.[/QUOTE]I don't think it is an issue with "censors" or else.

Just that no one has recently visited those clubs, or bothered to report.

I myself have not been since some time, so have nothing to report.

If you read French or germnan, there are quite a ot reports for those clubs in French and german fora.

[QUOTE=Happy Fkk;1451622]Where is this thread now? It seems linked to Germany. FKK Clubs but if you click there, I can't see Fkk Arabella.[/QUOTE]I can see it. But since a while this and other "user threads" are way down on the page.

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[QUOTE=Dreams; 1443299]But I would not mind if someone who went recently gave us some recent info about what happens in in the club.

On other fora, I read that Arabella lost some of the best girls, and, more disappointingly, that Villa Venus was not as good as it used to be. Anyone there to confirm / inform. Sadly I have no imminent trip planned.[/QUOTE]I was at FKK Venus on a Saturday and then the next Monday in late June. Both times there were 12-14 girls present. By the reception area are photographs of the girls, arranged by what they do (no bareback (one girl) , pussy bareback, and anal bareback. I believe CIM is included in the price but never did it, preferring to come in pussy. There is no real food available so bring your own (I did). The girls, who are naked, sit on individual couches and you go sit with the one you are interested in. You can feel up her tits, ass, and pussy, and she will massage your dick and give you a blow-job on the couch before going to the room. I found only half of the girls to be doable, at mid-range FKK standard, with the others too fat or unattractive facially or bodily. I did 6 of them, all bareback, over the two visits: Lily (spunky, energetic Romanian blonde with albino pussy, nice session, came in pussy) , Larissa (older Romanian brunette, so-so session) , Suzie (Romanian brunette with nice face and tits but a fat ass, good session but did not want to do anal, even though she was one the anal girls listed by the reception area) , Bianca (Rumanian Brunette. 20 years old, great session, came in pussy) , Gaby (19 year old Bulgarian, good session, fingered her pussy to the music while she massaged my dick for at least 10 minutes on the couch) , and Elena (18 year old Bulgarian, average face but nice tits, blow-job on couch, very good session, came in pussy).

I found the girls and the club to be very nice and a great value. However, some of the girls may not shower after the session, as two of them (Larissa and Elena) were back at their couches before I returned from my shower. Also, I got gonorrhea here (unless it was at Club Angelique, which I went to on the Sunday in between the FKK Venus visits and also barebacked two girls) , an obvious downer. I tried to E-mail them to get the girls I went with tested but could never get though to them (did the same with Club Angelique, successfully, for which they thanked me). Despite the gonorrhea, the sensation of fucking bareback is so much better than with condom that I would go back to both clubs, despite the risk (certainty?) of getting a STD, but at the end of my trip so getting infected would not ruin the rest of the trip, as it did this time.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;1452230]I got gonorrhea here (unless it was at Club Angelique, which I went to on the Sunday in between the FKK Venus visits and also barebacked two girls) , an obvious downer.[/QUOTE]I wonder why people don't post this when those things occur. I have recently been to Club Angelique twice, Arabella twice and VV. I'll soon post about. A couple of questions: shall I post here about Angelique or in the AO clubs thread which is dead since a lot of time, in spite of seeming a good initiative to me the fact of putting all of them together? So far I'm still in good health, at least appearently. Should I realize I have caught something, I have to follow the "procedure" of declaring it, if ever, months later? How and what should I say to the clubs? Times, girls, STD? Would they care and do something? Also, many girls declared to be pratically new, and some are off or on holiday. What happened to the "old ones"? Is it possible they just got diseases and therefore have been put on holiday and / or sent away? I could understand having a few new ones on top of others, but it seemed a big turn over.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;1452230] on a Saturday and then the next Monday in late June.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EastGoing;1452375]Should I realize I have caught something, I have to follow the "procedure" of declaring it, if ever, months later?[/QUOTE]As I have stated elsewhere before, it doesn't make ANY sense to post about a gonorrhea infection months later. What would be the purpose? All others will be cured as well by that time, so there's nothing anymore to be warned about. But this now useless warning will live on in this thread here forever, badmouthing the clubs for no reason. Or do you think any newbie who reads about those clubs in connection with an infection will bother going there, even if it isn't true anymore or even wasn't true at all.

And then people wonder about why there are no more reports on those clubs. Surprise, surprise. First they get badmouthed for no reason that's valid anymore, then one wonders about why no one doesn't go there anymore. Brilliant thinking!

I'd say for future occurances: If you got infected someplace and are absolutely SURE about where you got it, (which I defy anybody to be sure about in cases of 'the clap') then post it immediately and not months later when it doesn't do anybody any good anymore at all.

So, EastGoing, to answer your satirical question: No, don't follow this "procedure" of posting it after months! Post it immediately and then have Jackson delete the warning again a few weeks after you're cured; by then the source of infection should be cleared as well. That is if one actually got the clap from having sex.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;1452230]Despite the gonorrhea, the sensation of fucking bareback is so much better than with condom that I would go back to both clubs, despite the risk (certainty?) of getting a STD, but at the end of my trip so getting infected would not ruin the rest of the trip, as it did this time.[/QUOTE]I just stated what happened to me after visiting these clubs (due to the latency period of gonorrhea and the bareback sex, it is almost certain that I got it there). Where is the warning for people to stay away, since I said I would return? Having uncovered sex is risky, and the more uncovered it is, the higher the risk. We all should make a cost / benefit analysis of having uncovered sex, decide how much risk we are willing to take, and accept the results.

Your argument that someone reading this a month or year from now is going to be scared off is ridiculous, because as you yourself said, by that time the problem will have been solved, so where is the risk?

For the guys planning longer trips, avoid what happened with Jimmy and try to visit AO clubs near the end of a trip.

[quote=jimmy boy 99; 1452541]i just stated what happened to me after visiting these clubs (due to the latency period of gonorrhea and the bareback sex, it is almost certain that i got it there). where is the warning for people to stay away, since i said i would return? having uncovered sex is risky, and the more uncovered it is, the higher the risk. we all should make a cost / benefit analysis of having uncovered sex, decide how much risk we are willing to take, and accept the results.

your argument that someone reading this a month or year from now is going to be scared off is ridiculous, because as you yourself said, by that time the problem will have been solved, so where is the risk?[/quote]i agree wholeheartedly with jimmyboy. more information is always better so that the forum members can be more fully informed about the nature of the activities we are engaging in.

if there is a problem posed the information that jimmyboy is sharing about his experiences, then the answer is to cure that risk with more speech, not censorship or discouraging jimmyboy from sharing information. if jimmyboy's information poses a risk (for example, badmouthing a club or raising a false warning) , then the answer is to do exactly what swingerlover did, that is, share the reasons why a club's name should not be maligned and why there is or isn't a danger to be concerned about. the forum members can make up their own minds after hearing all of the information from everyone.

the forum members are not so dull-witted that they need to be protected from exposure to jimmyboy's experiences because they will not be able to understand or correctly process swingerlover's astute observations. ok, maybe i have gone too far with this assumption, but i would like to give most of the folks here the benefit of the doubt.

i encourage the sharing of all such experiences if for no other reason than the fact that such vigorous discussion will give us pause to think about such things and to be more fully informed about the risks we face.

i have been lucky so far and haven't caught anything. i hope that if i do ever catch anything that my fellow forum members will at least indulge me with a forum to share my worries and concerns (if not to sympathize with me). i imagine that some of this stuff can be scary for folks to go through, so we shouldn't discourage discussion around these points, especially if these discussions have the potential for allaying fears or helping folks get through stressful situations.

If your a senior member in good standing, a report on catching a std at ANY club should be allowed to stand no questions asked.

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1443299]Those morons who came to lecture us have fnally, it seems, given up.

But I would not mind if someone who went recently gave us some recent info about what happensith in the club.

On other fora, I read that Arabella lost some of the best girls, and, more disappointingly, that Villa Venus was not as good as it used to be.

Anyone there ot confirm / infirm. Sadly I have no imminent trip planned.[/QUOTE]I stopped by both Arabella & Grimberg a couple weeks ago & did not stay. Looked around & browsed at the photos & told the lady I was going to get something to eat & return. Yes, I know it's a weak excuse, but the lineup was below average.

I did visit club Verona / Bellamie in Dortmund. Lineup much better. There was a tall model type babe with crappy teeth & a much slimmer Amalia. She must have lost 20 kilos since her daysatCLL. Great session. There was a big titty German babe with a very soft bod. Not sure if she was AO, but was very very very busy.

Venus has lost most of their best girls to vacation or Dietzenbach. Dietz has more than 20 girls working.

I think it is helpful to know if a member has picked up an infection. It helps other members get a better anecdotal picture of what can happen. However it should always be done simply as a matter of reporting a fact, without any moralising or drawing any conclusions.

Whether or not a particular source can or should be pinpointed or not is more difficult. The chances are that the girl will have been treated at some time after the contact, and anyway it is not so easy to pinpoint the source. On the other hand there have been a few cases on German forums where a girl who is infected over a longish period has been identified, which as a result helps members to avoid visiting this infected girl

[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;1452541]We all should make a cost / benefit analysis of having uncovered sex, decide how much risk we are willing to take, and accept the results.[/QUOTE]Agreed!

[QUOTE]Your argument that someone reading this a month or year from now is going to be scared off is ridiculous, because as you yourself said, by that time the problem will have been solved, so where is the risk?[/QUOTE]The risk lies in information being on a forum forever, even after the problem no longer exists. I could point to info exactly like that, but that would mean digging out irrelevant information which is by now buried under a lot of newer reports. Still, if anyone were to read this info now, I'm not sure if they would consider going to that particular provider. Even if the info is long out of date and was only second-hand info anyway.

[QUOTE=Ultrahappy;1452727]Ok, maybe I have gone too far with this assumption, but I would like to give most of the folks here the benefit of the doubt.[/QUOTE]I would too. But when I constantly notice that obviously a lot of even the Senior Members haven't read the forum's rules and posting guidelines properly (sometimes even after years of membership) then I shutter to think how new members (and only-readers who aren't registered at all) read reports and what will stick to memory.

You know how it goes: There wasn't a rumour about whatever subject. Not until it got denied. For instance: If I were to write that there NEVER was any case of STD at Swingerclub Candy in Rüsselsheim (which club is closed for years, that's why I use it as an example, and there really never was any STD there to my knowledge) there would be a significant number of people who would think that there must be SOME truth to the denied rumour or else the subject matter would never have come up. So better stay away from there.

Impossible? I don't think so. Bad news stick to memory, whether they are true or not, and the Internet has a loooooooooong memory.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1452755]If your a senior member in good standing, a report on catching a std at ANY club should be allowed to stand no questions asked.[/QUOTE]I agree! And when such information about an STD becomes obsolete because everybody involved got cured, then the warning should be deleted again. (And not posted for the first time months after everybody is cured again.)

Even criminals get their records expunged after a certain time, so why should any info about an STD that had occurred at a certain place live on forever when it is no longer true anymore?

[QUOTE=Optimist;1452884]where a girl who is infected over a longish period has been identified, which as a result helps members to avoid visiting this infected girl[/QUOTE]In such a case there should not only be continuous warning about a girl like that as long as she is infected, this would even be a case for the states attorney! Because knowingly spreading an STD is a crime in Germany, which may even carry a prison sentence!

i posted 7 questions but got answered only to one, however no problem, until i'm in good health there is no hurry, lol. the most urgent was in which thread i should post, anyway, since we are all here i post here.

just a few considerations on the posts below. if jimmyboy caught something in the end of june in those clubs i would have liked to know, since i went there as little as 3 weeks later. nobody can know if the girl who infected him is still there or not and if she has been cured or not (since she may not even have symptoms, being just a carrier) , which was the point of my questions about "holidays" and turnovers. the fact that larissa in vv doesn't shower after the sessions (but she might have been quicker than jimmy) also could have been interesting to know, since i went with a larissa in vv. this said, you don't need to be a doctor to guess the risks of unprotected sex, if i would have known those infos however i reckon it wouldn't have made a big difference: it will not be a shower preventing infections, even if obviously it's better to take the shower rather than not, and i'm old enough, even if probably not intelligent enough, to make decisions. i really had great fantastic sex, probably some of the best sessions ever in my long and considerable p4p career (several hundreds of sessions happened before i joined isg, anyway many nrw ones had the advantage of being uncovered therefore i must keep it into account if i make a ranking) and at level with only one of my girlfriends, a nynphomaniac even worse than me. to be honest, with the service offered in vv and arabella you would be happy also with covered sex, not forgetting the price! but there is an important difference between the 2 clubs, apart from minor things: i found only 3-4 girls fuckable in vv, in ara nearly all of them, with some outstanding: sabrina could be an attraction in major fkks, wouldn't be at all out of place in artemis, not to talk about her skills, attitudes, performances, enthusiasm, energy, intensity, initiative, committment, passion, etc. (what else am i forgetting? i just don't have words left). i couldn't believe i could do anything but anal with her for some 45 mins (yes, even overtime!) for 30 euros! bella, denise, carmen are far better than what i saw in haus-panthera 3 months ago. for you to laugh, and you can believe me, when i arrived home yesterday i went to sleep and dreamt of arabella, now i'm writing and having huge erections! so sad to be back home!

anyway what is done is done, and i agree with jimmy that those sensations are worth some risk, if you come out with little or nothing, obviously. as of now, i'm really happy i did what i did. not just for the barebacking, i'm sure many of us have done it with dead or little participating girlfriends, so it's not just for the strict physical sensations. i wouldn't call gfe many of the sessions i had in this trip: especially in arabella, i have been repeatedly molested, assaulted, held and withheld, abused, raped, bited, chewed, mercilessly and relentlessy blown and fucked, not even after unloading the girls, especially sabrina, who also tried to kissmark me and partially succeeded, would give me peace and kept torturing me, ignoring my supplications for pity and warnings about possible time finish, actually i got complaints i wanted to quit them too early! i don't know if they behave like that with everyone, sabrina told me she was like that only with me, she even came twice and i really felt the increase of wet moisture while she was shaking during the "fights". i don't mean to brag about myself, but i'm relatively young and handsome, i am often relatively welcome and accepted by "providers", i don't think she gives that service to a 65 years old 150 kg man. by the way, she also said she can refuse customers if she doesn't like them. can they do that?

guys, i got to go now, i'll post more eventually

[QUOTE=Optimist;1452884]I think it is helpful to know if a member has picked up an infection. It helps other members get a better anecdotal picture of what can happen. However it should always be done simply as a matter of reporting a fact, without any moralising or drawing any conclusions.[/QUOTE]My only thought is it serves as a reminder to all of us that we are all taking a risk at every club. I don't want somebody preaching about the sins of the flesh and abstaining from this activity. But I also don't want somebody preaching about what a post does to a clubs business.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1452934]My only thought is it serves as a reminder to all of us that we are all taking a risk at every club. I don't want somebody preaching about the sins of the flesh and abstaining from this activity. But I also don't want somebody preaching about what a post does to a clubs business.[/QUOTE]Well, in this trip for many times I wasn't a sinner in the strict religious meaning, since I didn't use a condom and unloaded inside, LOL! One of the few times my conscience is clean!

As to effects on clubs' businesses, I think it's more about the worry that they might close, which is something you don't want to happen if you like going there, than a concern about their own earnings.

Also, I don't think we need reminders about the risks one faces when practicing uncovered sex, wether punters post it or not. One of the girls told me they get checked every 2 weeks, but that doesn't make a big difference, if you go with a girl after a guy who has something you have chances to get that anyway.