Seeking Arrangements

I've had my own cases of girls flaking out. But I got better with time in filtering. I'm in my late 30's.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2451602]I read an article in Wired about women and older men. They have studied this some and found that about 50-60% of girls will not date much older men. About 35-40% are indifferent to age. And about 10-15% prefer men significantly older than themselves. This sounds about right to me actually. I've fairly often had the conversation with girls about how men in their 20's are totally selfish and immature. And I can't help but agree having been one.

Ive also seen a huge difference in maturity between 19-21 year old girls and 23-24 year old. Maybe this should not be surprising. But the 21 year olds are 10x more likely to flake than a 23 year old. There is a crucial maturing that somehow occurs in those couple of years.[/QUOTE]

Good tips. I tend to pick students who are usually from a different country and who are in need. Less restrictions and better strike rate.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2451610]For most 21 year olds, almost all of their friends are around their age. So, they are still immature. But for most 23 year olds, most of their friends are NOT around their age. This is because they are finally out of college and working, and so they will have colleagues (and thus friends) of all different ages, or if they are in grad school, then they will have classmates who are NOT straight out of undergrad. This is why 24 is the minimum age person that I will date. I tried dating college gals, but they are just barely more mature than high school gals, and so I couldn't take it any more. A 21 year old is still being taken care of my mom and dad. But for many 24 year olds, they are now making money and paying rent and taxes, etc.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Midwestern;2451610]For most 21 year olds, almost all of their friends are around their age. So, they are still immature. But for most 23 year olds, most of their friends are NOT around their age. This is because they are finally out of college and working, and so they will have colleagues (and thus friends) of all different ages, or if they are in grad school, then they will have classmates who are NOT straight out of undergrad. This is why 24 is the minimum age person that I will date. I tried dating college gals, but they are just barely more mature than high school gals, and so I couldn't take it any more. A 21 year old is still being taken care of my mom and dad. But for many 24 year olds, they are now making money and paying rent and taxes, etc.[/QUOTE]

I started a new thread to discuss mongering in the age of COVID19. I hope you will contribute to it. I am hoping it will provide good intel. Thanks.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4164-Mongering-in-the-age-of-COVID19[/URL]

While I can't say this has turned into a meeting yet don't be afraid to approach girls who seem "off target". Sometimes girls will say they are looking for something long term or with just one guy. If she looks worth it I will often throw a line in. Something like I know she's looking for long term and totally respect that but I'm going to be in town and if she'the like to have a couple nights of awesome fun then hit me up.

I probably get an 80% uptake on conversation. Right now I am talking with an AMAZING girl where I just popped in and said I know we aren't really a match because I am just passing thru but just had to say how dazzling you are. Didn't expect a response. Really just wanted to complement her. And she fired back. She's a super interesting girl and we are chatting nightly and planning a meetup in the future. So you never know. Just go for it.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2451448]Issue with long term or any allowance for that matter is that you are expected to give money on a weekly or monthly basis (or pay her monthly rent and some other expenses, whatever help you are providing) regardless of how many times a month you are meeting her. So, say you agree you $250 a week with one meet per week. Then immediately the girl will be wanting that $250 a week. Say, you are on business travel for a couple of weeks. The girl is back in your home town and still expects to receive $500 for those two weeks. You might feel that you didn't get any value for your money. If she gives you a few more meets to make up, it will be a different matter but she might say "I am busy, I have school work, I can't meet more than once this week".[/QUOTE]Allowance is a sucker's game. And for the exact reasons you have lined out. When you start talking allowance they are expecting money upfront.

And for the other scenario you mentioned, you don't even have to be on business travel. Once she has your money, she has those excuses at the ready ("it's that time of the month", "my dog is sick", etc).

Pay Per Meetup (PPM) is the best way to go always.

And $250 per week for one meetup per week? Those are straight up escort pricing. You might as well save yourself some time and use a website like P411.

Looks like Seeking is going to introduce video chat right into their website. Should save you a lot of time from dealing with fake profiles and having to try to move women over to Google Duo or FaceTime (which would require you to give out your personal number).

See attached.

I notice on the SA website that there is a large number of girls that will be on the site for just a few days.

Maybe they get a guy and go offline.

Maybe they get offended by all the idiots that send dick-pics.

Maybe they realise they have to work for the cash.

Maybe they don't like sex with strangers for the money on offer.

Maybe they are just investigating and decide it's not for them.

When I am looking I do prefer girls to have been on the site for a few days already.

It would be interesting to know how many girls actually succeed.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2451602]I read an article in Wired about women and older men. They have studied this some and found that about 50-60% of girls will not date much older men. About 35-40% are indifferent to age. And about 10-15% prefer men significantly older than themselves. This sounds about right to me actually. I've fairly often had the conversation with girls about how men in their 20's are totally selfish and immature. And I can't help but agree having been one.[/QUOTE]Isn't Wired a feminist rag? I would not listen to any studies done by old cat ladies who have slammed hard into "The Wall". Dido for male feminist.

On the one hand, this may apply to apply to regular traditional boyfriend girlfriend "regular folk" dating situations for people looking to get married and start a family.

But since we are on a forum talking about P4P and dealing with women looking to level up or at least supplement their current economic situation, this does not apply.

Just remember back in your early 20's: most guys are broke as fuck at this stage in their life until their late 20's to early 30's. There was nothing you could offer a chick at that time other than hard dick and bubble gum.

Most men are at their financial Apex around 45 years old. In terms of security, these are the men women most desire.

Don't believe me? Take a look at most of the female profiles on Seeking. A lot of them have their age filters set to 30+.

This tells us that most younger women (18-28) view the men in their age range or younger to be broke.

Try it yourself: throw up a profile on Seeking as a 21 yr old "Entrepreneur" (LOL) and see how well you fair. Because of the age range you will probably be filtered out by 90% of the women on the app.

Do younger women prefer to sleep with men their own age or slightly older (or younger)? Sure!

But don't tell me she wouldn't miss the chance to trade up to the 48 yr Exec with the Lambo and private jet who tells her that she can quit her job tomorrow and travel the world with him for the next 3-6 months.

Long story short:

Are you an older guy that wants to fuck young hotties? Just have money!

Since most the guys here are playing the SB game, it is assumed that you have a good amount of (disposable income). Carry on as per usual.

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2452380]I notice on the SA website that there is a large number of girls that will be on the site for just a few days.

Maybe they get a guy and go offline.

Maybe they get offended by all the idiots that send dick-pics.

Maybe they realise they have to work for the cash.

Maybe they don't like sex with strangers for the money on offer.

Maybe they are just investigating and decide it's not for them.

When I am looking I do prefer girls to have been on the site for a few days already.

It would be interesting to know how many girls actually succeed.[/QUOTE]Who knows they are! Could be anyone. Could be scammers, could even be guys who picked up a few photos off the internet and posing as girls to siphon some easy money from unsuspecting guys. Could be girls who heard about this site, thought they could make some dough and giving it a shot. Could be genuine sugar babes seeking some real connections.

My rule of thumb is that until you meet a girl face to face for even a brief meet and greet, the girl in cyberspace is not that different from an AI bot.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;2452385]Isn't Wired a feminist rag? I would not listen to any studies done by old cat ladies who have slammed hard into "The Wall". Dido for male feminist.

On the one hand, this may apply to apply to regular traditional boyfriend girlfriend "regular folk" dating situations for people looking to get married and start a family.

But since we are on a forum talking about P4P and dealing with women looking to level up or at least supplement their current economic situation, this does not apply.

Just remember back in your early 20's: most guys are broke as fuck at this stage in their life until their late 20's to early 30's. There was nothing you could offer a chick at that time other than hard dick and bubble gum.

Most men are at their financial Apex around 45 years old. In terms of security, these are the men women most desire..[/QUOTE]Funny story: I think I said this before here, I falsified almost all my personal data on SA. I reduced both my age, my net worth and annual income, and some of the other details as well. Anyway, this one girl that I was interested in said to me that I am too young and not rich enough and hence she is not interested in talking to me and then blocked me. Funnily enough, a few days prior to that, another girl demanded to know how I made this much money at a young age, and said I was lying about my networth and also blocked me.

LOL.

Can't please them all.

But yes, you are right, many girls do not want with too young sugar daddies although a few girls DO say they donot want any guy above 30 or 35. Ideal age is 40, you are not going to be rejected by anyone.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;2452372]Looks like Seeking is going to introduce video chat right into their website. Should save you a lot of time from dealing with fake profiles and having to try to move women over to Google Duo or FaceTime (which would require you to give out your personal number).

See attached.[/QUOTE]I am not sure if this is good news, there are some serious privacy issues. I am not as paranoid as some on this thread, but I am careful. I probably will avoid this service.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2452528]I am not sure if this is good news, there are some serious privacy issues. I am not as paranoid as some on this thread, but I am careful. I probably will avoid this service.[/QUOTE]Agree. It is a serious nuisance. It keeps flashing right at the top. If you are on a phone and screen is slow due to a bad connection or what and accidentally touch the video chat, you might be on with someone you didn't want to be talking to at that moment.

I am wondering if they are gong to include some sort of payment service, like a Venmo in the service soon. It is a logical addition to video chat. Many girls ask for payment for video chats already and SA might be wanting to capture the economics of it. That will suck. Girls will be pestering for money and the site will attract even more fakes.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2451342]We took some intimate pictures together and she threatened to send them to my boss at work unless I paid her $$ I called her bluff and told her to go ahead. She didn't but I blocked her after that.[/QUOTE]Sebastiane / Fellow Monger.

I hate hearing about someone getting blackmailed, especially a fellow monger! Not sure what info you gave her, but whatever it was, it was too much:

I, like you, am a fan of pictures and videos with my girls. I have a little library of pics (not all intimate, some just having fun) and videos that I keep for memories.

None of us should be put in a position where our lives are compromised. We should never be at the mercy of one of these girls that decides to be crazy and get more involved in our life than we would like or allow (interaction iwth kids / wife / job / parents / boss, etc). To each his own, but I've been burned and now I follow a few rules when stepping into the SA world, mainly because we don't know how stable these girls are, or what they are capable of after you bang them out.

Again, these are rules that I follow that work for me. They enable me to guard my ID and sever ties seamlessly if necessary. In the end, you should do whatever works for you.

When doing SA or escorting (don't do this often) here are my monger tools:

1. Old Phone (yes, I use a different phone for ALL things monger related) - keeps all your apps: whatsapp, telegram, gvoice, gmail, uber, airbnb, skype.

1 a. Yes, whatsapp, telegram, etc should all be related to your monger gmail / gvoice accounts. All tied together, easy to cut. Again. New accounts for all that stuff, reuse nothing from personal.

1 b. Take all your pics and vids with this phone too and secure the hell out of it. Distinct pw, etc.

1 c. It's a pet peeve of mine, but turn off all notifications, especially notifications to a locked screen. You don't want anyone that finds your monger phone seeing compromising messages from your favorite girl in Prague.

2. Google voice number. Use this for whatsapp / telegram / instagram / uber / texting (US).

3. VPN. I already use this in my personal life, so it's not an added expense. Some girls don't like guys that only come to town once every 2 months for a day or two, some are okay with it. VPN allows you to "be in town" on SA whenever you like giving you access to all girls, even the ones that don't like the "only here for 2-3 days business guys" (like me). Once they meet you, they won't care once the $$ starts flowing.

4. SIM. This is mainly because I travel. It's cheap to buy a 10 g SIM or refresh your SIM for 6 eu. Can't beat that.

Rules I follow:

1. Names on your SA account, gmail, uber account (important; discussed further down), facebook, instagram, and whatsapp accounts should correspond.

2. Never use your real name! Never!

2 a. Never use your real name! . even after you have met her and like her and banged her 20 times. Don't do it. The more you bang her, the more of a connection (usually), and you don't want a stalker on your hands. This happened to me, but in the end, I was able to cut ties because of my setup.

3. Pics. I love them. I take them all the time, but with my phone. Always my phone, never hers! I've taken tons of pics, and can choose to share or not. Only one girl has actually asked for our video. There was no issue because only her face, pussy, and tits were in the video.

4. Uber. I uber alone, I send ubers for them, we take them together, etc. (Again, this is not my everyday uber acct). The uber app on my "monger phone", is tied to my monger number and uses my monger name (see the pattern). Sooo when you get in the car with your girl and the driver says, "Genghis Khan, right", you can confirm with an assuring nod, and at that point, your girl's confidence in your identity is cemented a bit more. Important for curious girls (that like to go digging) or potential stalkers (I've had both) and Yes, this has helped!

5. Facebook (use or don't) - Obv, use your monger name and email if you do (same for instagram). I was talking to girl for 30 minutes over whatsapp and she already hit my facebook profile snooping around.

6. SA profile pic shouldn't be overly visible. I'm wearing shades in mine.

7. Passport (I'm usually abroad) and credit cards should be in a safe place away from prying eyes. Not laying on the desk for her to take a quick peak while you are taking a piss and then look you up on Linkedin. This never happened to me, but I've heard stories. Careful with the wallet if she stays over. Put that somewhere safe too. Most will never look through your stuff (hasn't happened to me) but the ones that will have the potential to cause some serious issues in your life. Just saying.

8. Where you work? Tell her your industry, don't lie. Tell her about some of your customers, it's ok. Hell, even tell her that you are in town for work and that you are the best accountant (for example) in the world. But. Don't mention your company or leave anything company related in sight when she is at your place. If "sharing" starts to happen, then misdirection can be better than avoiding a topic. I want the girl to be comfortable and open. It will make sex so much better once we arrive at our destination. I've had those sessions smoking hookah with a girl, we are both drunk and getting more familiar with each other (opening up). She will start to tell you personal things about herself. Psychologically, this encourages you to do the same. That's fine. I share, but I mention big companies like Best Buy, or Walmart, or Microsoft all the time.

9. Many will disagree with me with this one. I Do Not Engage in the hobby in my city. This is easy for me because I travel alot. I only partake in the hobby away from my home city.

10. Never hit it raw. I know many guys here have had great experiences, but for me, it's not worth the risk.

Again, not making suggestions here, I'm just detailing my setup that's the result of bad experiences, prying eyes, snooping girls, stalkers, and greedy demanding bitches. I'm still learning the game, but I want to remain as flexible and safe as possible.

Safe mongering!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2452391]Who knows they are! Could be anyone. Could be scammers, could even be guys who picked up a few photos off the internet and posing as girls to siphon some easy money from unsuspecting guys. Could be girls who heard about this site, thought they could make some dough and giving it a shot. Could be genuine sugar babes seeking some real connections.

My rule of thumb is that until you meet a girl face to face for even a brief meet and greet, the girl in cyberspace is not that different from an AI bot.[/QUOTE]I'm with you Pessimist.

Until I see a girl in person, she is not real. Simple.

I haven't had any meeting flakes luckily, but SBs turning someone down due to age or perceived richness is interesting. I think that's why it's good to find girls that are new to the scene or that have a reasonable perspective on arrangements. Someone mentioned to stay away from models. This is my rule too. They usually expect too much and want to give too little. I have found success at all ages, but 90% of my girls have been in some kind of school, either grad or undergrad. I had one HS girl contact me, but that's just too weird for me, so I turned her down. She was 18 and willing to travel, but no, it just didn't feel right.

I like to be sure of the girl and meet as soon as reasonably possible after we have decided on an arrangement. I've found that prolonged talk loses their attention, while requesting a meeting really soon stresses their comfort. There's a place in the middle that I've found takes a day or 2 after moving over to whatsapp (for me, it's always European SBs, so I only use whatsapp). If it takes too long after moving to whatsapp, I've seen them just ghost. It seems there are a lot of guys out there only collecting pics and numbers and the girls need to separate you from that group. As I write, I'm kinda in that group right now (damn). LOL. I have a girl in hamburg that I haven't met yet but she has sent me pics. I think she is probably tolerant bc she is new and knows that COVID messed up everything.

Just my $. 02.