Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2693320]+1 Shroomer. Great write up and great to see you back. I was just reflecting on the wide city variance as well. At home in a second tier city it's a handful of fat chicks And the usual suspects. I am soooo lucky to have scored Shayla. (She's actually from out of state). But now I am surfing Vegas and have the filter set to 22-24 year old slim or average Latinas and there is a shitload of options and different ones each day. Having to pare things down. Not going to be 3 see notes for sure. Hoping to keep it to 5. Will have to charm their pants off. Fortunately that's my thing. LOL.[/QUOTE]Vegas is probably one of the most expensive place to monger. If you are able to get one with just 5 Benjamins, that was a huge bargain. I remember spending on average a grand for a two hours package eight years ago through this agency, but at least for that I get GFE, CIM, anal experience with video production of our act for keepsake. I am definitely not a porn director material, but it's meant for own consumption anyway LOL. These days, I will be lucky if I can even get that kind of pricing in Vegas for such a package service.

I'm wondering why SA is not popular in Brazil? Rio and Sao Paulo are huge cities with plenty of girls. I know the talent is there, but for some reason they don't utilize the platform. When I was in Rio last summer I was only able to score 1 date (good one, though), pickings were extra slim, Medellin for example, has 5-6 times more girls on SA using the same search criteria. Has anyone successfully used SA in Rio or SP? I'm sure SA could be a good alternative to Scandallo girls for someone who prefers GFE dates and would like to get a better deal. I have just did a quick search, and SP got twice as many girls 18-25 yo as Rio, however, not many stunners to choose from.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2693383]I'm wondering why SA is not popular in Brazil? Has anyone successfully used SA in Rio or SP?[/QUOTE]We don't need no stinking Seeking in Brazil! Too many other good options. Brazil even has several good escort agencies that I don't have to worry about bait and switch with. It's the only country I've mongered in where I can say that with confidence. There are plenty of avenues to get GFE in Brazil if that's what you want without needing SA. That's part of the beauty of Brazil. A multitude of options. What contributes to it being numero uno!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2693055]

Never met anyone like her. Counting my blessings. Who's the horniest beast you have ever been with?[/QUOTE]For me, this has to be Miss J. She lives about a couple of hours away from me. But never says no. If I feel like having a good fuck, and tell her to get her ass (well, pussy) to me, she does.

Once I told her at 3 PM and she was kissing me at my personal bar at 7 PM. I had not even started to fondle her, but when I slipped my fingers down there after a few kisses, she was soaking wet. Pulled it down, unzipped and I was inside her in like 30 secs. We went on to fuck 3 times just that night. And 3 more next morning before she left at 11 AM.

We would have a 45 min session in bed, I lay on her for few minutes and we go to shower with the idea of washing off. But, while in shower, things heat up and before we know, we are fucking in the shower.

There was another occasion I was visiting her town in work. Had booked this hotel with sauna and pools at the ground floor. We go to sauna (maybe, 10 other people there naked). She sits next to me. I pretend as if I am holding her waist. But soon, she is seated on my palm and my fingers are inside. She is wet again.

We exit sauna, go upstairs to my room and fuck.

She is so horny that she sometimes initiates sex before I do. I love that.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2693320]+1 Shroomer. Great write up and great to see you back. I was just reflecting on the wide city variance as well. At home in a second tier city it's a handful of fat chicks And the usual suspects. I am soooo lucky to have scored Shayla. (She's actually from out of state). But now I am surfing Vegas and have the filter set to 22-24 year old slim or average Latinas and there is a shitload of options and different ones each day. Having to pare things down. Not going to be 3 see notes for sure. Hoping to keep it to 5. Will have to charm their pants off. Fortunately that's my thing. LOL.[/QUOTE]With travel picking up again for me, it's feels quite nice to be back in the mix. Even though Orlando was a shit show, the hunt was good. It actually very much validates my original interaction with Orlando some time ago. It is a wasteland for us. If you are not taking kids to Disney, there is nothing there IMHO.

You did bring up a point in passing that I'm curious about. I noticed in Orlando that there were many thirty something SBs on the site. Also, when browsing late twenties and early thirties in EU, the vibe in the profile is quite differernt from their younger counterparts.

So I'm wondering where is the sweet spot for you guys??

Are there some of you that like the aged scotch vs the fall beer?

Do some of you only go for the teens (18-20)?

Only go for Milfs?

Pros / Cons?

I usually look for 20 - 24, slim (don't like the extra meat), but will entertain a 19 yr old. My experience so far has been exclusively with SBs in that age range. When I have come across older SBs, they are usually on the tail end of a slew of bad life decisions and need some extra cash. Depending on the type of bad decisions, it could be cool, but it could also be an indication that she completely f*&Ki#g mental. Recent college grads getting hit by the real world, college girls, or young actresses (yes, thinking of Lili in Madrid) tend to be my sweet spot. Their bodies are usually in great shape, they are appreciative, and seem genuinely interested in the arrangement. I usually don't get hit with "text them" on the second message from a girl that I would say is "ideal", but I do get hit with that alot from the older SBs (prob escorts) or the really young SB. Just my experience.

What say you?

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2693328]Thankyou for verifying why I am done with SA. Its not me or you. It them.[/QUOTE]Hey NeilGeorge,

It is THEM! That was kinda my assertion in the original post.

BUT.

Don't give up too fast! I think it really really depends on location. Steve9696 validated the same in his local geo.

Hit up Spain or London and the games go away (to a degree). I usually have too many responses to give attention to each one. I start copying and pasting responses because there are so many. Totally different experience overseas. Well worth the time. The experience is well worth it.

Just my. 02.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2693546]Hey NeilGeorge,

It is THEM! That was kinda my assertion in the original post.[/QUOTE]And thanks to you for verifying me. Seeking sucks and is mostly a waste of money (and a [B]huge[/B] waste of time), at least in the United States it is, which is the only place I have ever used it. Although I'm no longer active, I didn't actually delete my account, and I still get expressions of interest from time to time. Keeping an account was actually a conscious decision to extend my "experiment". What happens when you're no longer active, but keep your account? Well for one thing, Seeking is trying hard to get me to come back, offering a 20% discount. Make it free, and then I'll think about it LOL!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2693383]I'm wondering why SA is not popular in Brazil? Rio and Sao Paulo are huge cities with plenty of girls. I know the talent is there, but for some reason they don't utilize the platform. When I was in Rio last summer I was only able to score 1 date (good one, though), pickings were extra slim, Medellin for example, has 5-6 times more girls on SA using the same search criteria. Has anyone successfully used SA in Rio or SP? I'm sure SA could be a good alternative to Scandallo girls for someone who prefers GFE dates and would like to get a better deal. I have just did a quick search, and SP got twice as many girls 18-25 yo as Rio, however, not many stunners to choose from.[/QUOTE]This is been discussed before. I believe Steve and others have pointed out that countries with well-developed P4P scenes seem to not be great Seeking destinations. Of course, this is a generalization and doesn't hold true to form everywhere. Some guys here have had great success with SA in Colombia even with its robust P4P scene. While others have found Seeking advantageous in Argentina where P4P has been driven underground.

I would add that from my years of visiting Brazil for business and pleasure that Brazilians (and other South Americans) have had very strong sugar daddy cultures. The income disparity has always been very high. Actually, one of the highest particularly for a fairly industrialize country. And if you consider, the very low wages at the base of the Brazilian pyramid you start to get the picture.

Taking all of this into consideration, I have to wonder if young Brazilian women with limited incomes really ever needed Seeking. Brazil has P4P freelancer venues that are more like nightclubs than brothels. A working girl at a boate (club) picks her partner and price. Some working girls fall into regular arrangements. I also think sugar daddies and sugar babies have been finding each other for decades in Brazil. Perhaps through work, through word of mouth or even at night clubs. It was not unusual for a business colleague to ask an attractive waitress thirty years younger for her phone number. Many times she would give it to him.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2693545]With travel picking up again for me, it's feels quite nice to be back in the mix. Even though Orlando was a shit show, the hunt was good. It actually very much validates my original interaction with Orlando some time ago. It is a wasteland for us. If you are not taking kids to Disney, there is nothing there IMHO.

You did bring up a point in passing that I'm curious about. I noticed in Orlando that there were many thirty something SBs on the site. Also, when browsing late twenties and early thirties in EU, the vibe in the profile is quite differernt from their younger counterparts.

So I'm wondering where is the sweet spot for you guys??

Are there some of you that like the aged scotch vs the fall beer?

Do some of you only go for the teens (18-20)?

Only go for Milfs?

Pros / Cons?

I usually look for 20 - 24, slim (don't like the extra meat), but will entertain a 19 yr old. My experience so far has been exclusively with SBs in that age range. When I have come across older SBs, they are usually on the tail end of a slew of bad life decisions and need some extra cash. Depending on the type of bad decisions, it could be cool, but it could also be an indication that she completely f*&Ki#g mental. Recent college grads getting hit by the real world, college girls, or young actresses (yes, thinking of Lili in Madrid) tend to be my sweet spot. Their bodies are usually in great shape, they are appreciative, and seem genuinely interested in the arrangement. I usually don't get hit with "text them" on the second message from a girl that I would say is "ideal", but I do get hit with that alot from the older SBs (prob escorts) or the really young SB. Just my experience.

What say you?[/QUOTE]For me it's unfailingly 22-24 that are best. If she has a nose ring it's even more of a tell! Older than 24 I've had some sex fails (balk!) whereas under 25 have been unfailingly down to get down! I wouldn't mind 20 but they both seem flakier and they can't drink at dinner (had one carded and denied! So 22-24 is just the best. Think I've had about 30 girls in this sweet spot.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2693555]This is been discussed before. I believe Steve and others have pointed out that countries with well-developed P4P scenes seem to not be great Seeking destinations. Of course, this is a generalization and doesn't hold true to form everywhere. Some guys here have had great success with SA in Colombia even with its robust P4P scene. While others have found Seeking advantageous in Argentina where P4P has been driven underground.

I would add that from my years of visiting Brazil for business and pleasure that Brazilians (and other South Americans) have had very strong sugar daddy cultures. The income disparity has always been very high. Actually, one of the highest particularly for a fairly industrialize country. And if you consider, the very low wages at the base of the Brazilian pyramid you start to get the picture.

Taking all of this into consideration, I have to wonder if young Brazilian women with limited incomes really ever needed Seeking. Brazil has P4P freelancer venues that are more like nightclubs than brothels. A working girl at a boate (club) picks her partner and price. Some working girls fall into regular arrangements. I also think sugar daddies and sugar babies have been finding each other for decades in Brazil. Perhaps through work, through word of mouth or even at night clubs. It was not unusual for a business colleague to ask an attractive waitress thirty years younger for her phone number. Many times she would give it to him.[/QUOTE]A well developed P6 should put men off the playing field. Or some men, many men, if not all men. Some should still be interested in the longer term, GFE type girls which in theory can be fulfilled by SBs. I agree that I have very little incentive to seek SBs when in Germany but do search SA actively when in other EU countries or UK. But then again, if I was a local in DE, would I feel different? I may not, personally, as a married person seeking just paid sex for a couple of hours here and there (I never seek girls wanting to sleep overnight for example, because I have to be home in the nights). But there was a gentleman on FKK forums who was using local German sugar sites much more than FKKs. His logic was that sugarbabes provided him sex at similar rates and he found them more satisfying.

The other part of this equation are the women. Not every SB is a tute. If you are a typical SB in the US, her choice is not just SB or being a tute. There are tons of women who seek a sugar relationship but will never contemplate being a tute. What is their choice in DE or Brazil just because those countries have thriving local prostitution? I suspect there is a marketplace to serve them. Perhaps SA is not doing a good job attracting such women onto their sites.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2693545] It actually very much validates my original interaction with Orlando some time ago. It is a wasteland for us. If you are not taking kids to Disney, there is nothing there IMHO.

You did bring up a point in passing that I'm curious about. I noticed in Orlando that there were many thirty something SBs on the site. Also, when browsing late twenties and early thirties in EU, the vibe in the profile is quite differernt from their younger counterparts.

So I'm wondering where is the sweet spot for you guys??

Do some of you only go for the teens (18-20)?[/QUOTE]Never had luck with one under 21. They expected $$$ and thought they did not have to share intimacy to get paid for simply companionship, they wanted a one way street.

22-24 were the best, usually they are experimenting, have some experience, are confused, boyfriends their own age cannot support them financially, and are in the best physical shape.

Over 25 you usually get mamas with kids. Then they have to get baby sitters, juggle work, and family, friends. Eventually it is not worth it and you will let them go.

Usually the darker skinned, the more available. White women think they are special and their pussy is gold, usually want more $$ (My opinion, YMMV).

Over 35 they are not in shape, may be more on time to their appointments, but have a lot of mileage on them. They probably were titty dancers when they were young and now cannot get the men's attention. Have alot of old tattoos, are smokers and wrinkled up faces.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2693502]We don't need no stinking Seeking in Brazil! Too many other good options. Brazil even has several good escort agencies that I don't have to worry about bait and switch with. It's the only country I've mongered in where I can say that with confidence. There are plenty of avenues to get GFE in Brazil if that's what you want without needing SA. That's part of the beauty of Brazil. A multitude of options. What contributes to it being numero uno![/QUOTE]Multitude of options to get GFE? Like what?

I have never been a fan of escort agencies. I did a few barravip girls (supposed to be independent?) and all of them were mediocre both in the service and in the looks.

The point of SA is to arrange a normal date, go out, have fun, return to apartment / hotel for more fun, without a rush. Of course there are plenty of options to get laid, but very few ways to get true GFE.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2693666]Multitude of options to get GFE? Like what?

I have never been a fan of escort agencies. I did a few barravip girls (supposed to be independent?) and all of them were mediocre both in the service and in the looks.

The point of SA is to arrange a normal date, go out, have fun, return to apartment / hotel for more fun, without a rush. Of course there are plenty of options to get laid, but very few ways to get true GFE.[/QUOTE]If you say so then. But as WyattEarp points out, the game is different in Brazil. They were "sugaring" long before Seeking was even a "thing". In the meantime, I've still got SA girls texting me. Some of the same ones who ghosted me months ago. Must be broke. Too late now babies. The Cane is out!

So today a girl I met on Seeking got married. And I'm going to declare a victory. What? Let me explain.

I met her three years ago early in my Seeking adventure. Not quite my type (rail thin) but cute enough. She'the just joined and we struck up a conversation. We really vibes well and eventually went over to text. Honestly it very quickly became a "friends" conversation and we just became pen pals more or less. (I've done this with two other girls).

Well it isn't long before we are quite comfortable behind our screens and start chatting about our sex lives and girls. She confesses that she's actually a lesbian and is only on Seeking for some money. And we continue to share stories about girls we are seeing or whatever. She says she's only tried sex with guys a couple times and it hurt and she hated it and that's how she knows she's a lesbian.

Well one night when very drunk she's with an old high school boyfriend. And they are really into each other but an attempted sex is very painful. But she really likes him. I ask her if she started on top or he did? She says he did. I say well I know some petite girls and they always start on top and kinda ease in over a minute or two but once the fit happens it works and she should try that.

Next chat she says "OMG. I started on top and eased in and we had sex! And it was great. I think I might be bi!

We'll long story short she indeed loved sex with him and they dated for a year. Eventually moved in with another guy from high school who she really adored but had lost touch with. They lived together for two years And got married today!

Ignoring the fact that most of us don't believe in that venerable institution of marriage anymore I think this is AMAZING. Where else can an old dude meet a hot young thing, give her sexual and life advice and totally change the course of her life? What a great platform. Despite all its flaws.

P.S. I coached my other two Penpal's thru other complex life situations, edited resumes and Med school applications. Seeking Arrangement. It's not just for fucking anymore! LOL.

After 2 years of so much fun,(Minus her Crazy Ass Mom), and probably my best friend, the model is AWOL. I get the occasional text, but not looking good at all. I thought we would remain friends, but who knows. Life goes on, that is why I always kept meeting other girls, I knew this would happen some day.

MTY is still great and having amazing sex with different girl every weekend, but I would have married her this one.

I met one of my regular girl last night and meeting another tonight. Also, the Venz, Doctor is coming to visit me in San Antonio next weekend. Life is good.

Looks like it is time to head back to CDMX, that is where I was so Happy. The girls on SA are just incredible in Mexico City.

Work had definitely slowed down, with the economy in the tank, so I am having to work a little harder, but no complaints, we are still killing it.