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[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1776768]I went in their Saturday around 12:00. There were 2-3 really attractive babes and about 10 average girls, however best among them would talk on phone if any non-Japanese approached them.
I practiced few lines in Thai but wtf, it's useless unless it is a slow day.[/QUOTE]At midnight just 12 or 13 girls in the whole place? Is that what you mean? If yes, then I would say numbers are far down these days.
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[QUOTE=Yomama99;1777185]I was at Soi 4 for a week in early September and it was great. Lots more FLs hanging around and they seem to come in all shapes and sizes. There were young African girls too. I even heard some Tagalog being spoken. Watch out as many of the FLs on the corner are ladyboys (unless that's your thing).
Over the years, this area has become more Indian and Arab. Indians now have money and they spend just like everyone else. Of course there is also the usual older white guy crowd who look like they are staying for extended periods on lower Sukhumvit. All in all, I would say the scene is pretty good. The beer on the street is cheap, lots of interesting women to watch when you are out and about. Lots of potential for good sex every night.[/QUOTE]Good report, thank you. By "hanging around" I guess you mean at all hours? Or when? I actually would be into trying an African girl, never have before, but the AIDS rate over there is so huge it just makes me very nervous. Across from Nana Plaza was always a big pickup spot (my last few times there) and in older days 2 am closing time in the Nana parking lot was also like a big open air sex market (much less so in recent years because the current disco there isn't as popular as the previous one). On my last visit, in that standing area across from NP, there was a group of mute girls. I didn't partake but was intrigued. The one that caught my eye disappeared quickly, and that was the end of that one. So are these regular spots still the same? Opposite side of Suk near the Starbucks was another spot, though usually rougher looking ones there. And I have to say, I've never seen an Arab or white one that seemed attractive in that area, such as on Soi 3. At CM2 yes but there no. (and there, the price is well beyond what I think nooky is worth paying for, so that's a dead end for me).
[QUOTE=Crypton;1777615]You obviously have no clue!! If you read up on the history of Thailand you will realize that Thailand is influenced by Indian and Chinese cultures. Those bird statues you see on every building? That's the Indian god Garuda. Budhism is from the sub continent. Many Thai names are derived from Sanskrit. Least you can do is read the Wikipedia page!! Don't be so lazy.[/QUOTE]Maybe you had too much yaba when you wrote this, so you are excused. The OP was asking about influence of Indian culture to which I replied. You are berating me for giving a right answer? Sure, Chinese influence came in but their culture is influenced by Buddhist religion which came from. Yes india.
Indian culture nee religion both Hinduism and Buddhism spread far and wide in Asia from Japan down to Indonesia. In Thailand a lot of Thai names are Indians. Their script is very similar to the Tamil script.
One reason Thais don't like Indians is because during the trading days, the traders took their land as security for payment of goods sold to Thais. When the Thais could not make the payments they lost their land. In fact many properties in Bangkok are owned by Indian families. I heard Patpong is one.
BTW, Crypton I beleive you are an Indian, are you not? Correct me if I am wrong.
Went to Crazy House first time for a few weeks. Music was too loud really. Could not use my favourite seat due to booming thump in the ears. Had to find a seat well away from speakers. My major favourites were missing. Quite a few new girls but nothing so stunning as to be a must do. May was sexiest dancer but silly head style for the Japanese I guess. Very few fat girls and not much silicone, not much fake noses. Young sleek girls perfect bodies for me.
Ideal opportunity to go somewhere else. Had a look in Sharks. First time for months. Yes it has improved. Percentage of girls with fake tits or noses has dropped a bit. I hate the outfits but at least the bras are see through so you can see they are not padded. Not many impressive tits, if eliminate the sillies, pancakes, and saggy stuff. Some pretty faces. A bit too many thick thighs for me, but I could see girls would appeal to guys with a different taste. I hear plenty of guys like girls with more meat on them, where I go for rather slim. I would struggle to agree with another writer who claimed the girls were better than Crazy House. Did not find any girl where I felt enough spark to call her over.
Decided to check out Baccara since was reported by someone there is a lot more nude dancing now and checked all three floors. Again I could see a big improved from last visit. There were a number of cute girls with no silicones and no fake nose. However the nudity was greatly exaggerated. Skirts that girls were wearing were too long and hid too much. I could not really see the asses and upper thighs properly, to see if I could like the body. I could only really see that liked the face and get a reasonable idea of the tits. Padding? Maybe. Girls dancing topless upstairs tended to be the less good looking ones, and a very high proportion of those had unimpressive sillies.
Finally a show came on where girls stripped down to dancing nude. About 8 girls on lowest and 8 on 2nd level. All but about 3 had sillies. 2 had lousy tits, and maybe one had OK tits.
Worst of all, was very hard to get a reasonable seat in Baccara and Japanese seemed to get preference. Fair enough, I probably wasn't going to spend that much. Will I come back? I don't think so. Its just that I have got used to nude sleek girls without the fakes at Crazy House. Have to agree Bacarra has some pretty faces though. Just the difficulty to find the right girl. Where I sat, could only really see a limited number of girls. The lower stage is too crowded. In Crazy House can review the entire set of girls much more easily.
Both Sharks and Bacarra used to have mostly girls with crazy hair styles. The hair styles are not so weird these days. Definite improvement there.
Later went to Nana. Went in Suckers for a while. Not much special talent. A couple of cute faces and slim girls, but they are over dressed. Cannot see if bra is very padded. Cannot see the tits.
Looked for my favourite Noi in Mercury. She was not there. Should message her today. Mercury had a new batch of "Coyote" dancers. BF of 1500 for Coyote girls, yet they don't know how to dance Coyote style. Just gogo girls in a higher BF class. O.K. the looks were a lot better than the gogo girls in Mercury, unless you like girls with a lot of meat.LOL
Next to Mandarin. This is a rather aggressive bar with mamasans and waiting staff pestering me too much. Called two girls over for drinks, one at a time. Later realised they were Coyote types and would have attracted a high BF I guess. Both wanted to speak English with me where I wanted to speak Thai. One said she was scared I would not understand Thai, yet I was struggling with English more-so. Music was too loud. Conservation very difficult. Nuisance mamasans. These coyote girls were weird. I was not feeling the chemistry with me. One was too crazy trying to give me a lap dance but not naked so was a waste of time.
Went Mandarin Upstairs. Mostly Coyotes. A couple of very cute ones this bar was the highest overall standard for looks, but of course the girls are over dressed and not even tits on show. Coyote girls BF is 1500 and gogo girls 700. A staff member told me girls will ST for 2500 and long time 5000 maybe or negotiate with the girl. I could have maybe been interested in two or three of the Coyotes but noticed I di not have the 1500 BF in my wallet at the time. I liked this upstairs section better than downstairs despite the bullshit Coyotes dominating, that still dance in gogo style, not coyote style. So they are really just a prettier class of girl with a higher 1500 BF. So with 1500 and 2500 will cost 4000 plus drinks for ST with one of these girls, if she wants to go with you. Its like the price for an expensive Soapy girl.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1778549]Went Mandarin Upstairs. Mostly Coyotes. A couple of very cute ones this bar was the highest overall standard for looks, but of course the girls are over dressed and not even tits on show. Coyote girls BF is 1500 and gogo girls 700. A staff member told me girls will ST for 2500 and long time 5000 maybe or negotiate with the girl. I could have maybe been interested in two or three of the Coyotes but noticed I di not have the 1500 BF in my wallet at the time. I liked this upstairs section better than downstairs despite the bullshit Coyotes dominating, that still dance in gogo style, not coyote style. So they are really just a prettier class of girl with a higher 1500 BF. So with 1500 and 2500 will cost 4000 plus drinks for ST with one of these girls, if she wants to go with you. Its like the price for an expensive Soapy girl.[/QUOTE]Had a very good experience with one of the 1500 Baht barfine "Special Girls" in the upstairs Mandarin a couple of months ago. The mamasan and girl herself did not use the term "Coyote", only "Special Girl". I hear Black Pagoda in Patpong 2 is using the same system; 1500 Baht barfine for what they do refer to there as "Coyotes" rather than the usual 700 Baht for their regular go-go girls. But the other money for the girl's time is pretty much the same. I also paid my upstairs Mandarin "Special Girl" 2500 Baht for a remarkably hassle-free and satisfying short time in my apartment considering she was, IMO, the most beautiful and sexiest of any of the girls on stage and more than most I had seen in my various go-go bar rounds that particular night.
Personally, if a two tier barfine system like the one used by some of the bars means the 1500 Baht barfine "Special Girls" are notably better looking, younger and, most important, hassle-free, confusion-free and thoroughly satisfying in bed, I would gladly pay the additional 800 Baht for that and a tad more to the girl for her time. Actually, I don't consider such a two tier barfine system a classic Coyote bait-and-switch scam like it is when the Coyote is not available for barfine at any price or, like in Soi Cowboy's Cowboy 2 Bar, the barfine is a ridiculous 3,000 Baht or some other amount clearly set to make sure almost no one would be foolish enough to pay it and take one of their Lady Drink Only hustlers out of the bar.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1778549]Went to Crazy House first time for a few weeks. May was sexiest dancer but silly head style for the Japanese I guess. .[/QUOTE]That was supposed to read "silly hairstyle".
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1778549]Went to Crazy House first time for a few weeks. Music was too loud really. Could not use my favourite seat due to booming thump in the ears. Had to find a seat well away from speakers. My major favourites were missing. Quite a few new girls but nothing so stunning as to be a must do. May was sexiest dancer but silly head style for the Japanese I guess. Very few fat girls and not much silicone, not much fake noses. Young sleek girls perfect bodies for me.
Ideal opportunity to go somewhere else. Had a look in Sharks. First time for months. Yes it has improved. Percentage of girls with fake tits or noses has dropped a bit. I hate the outfits but at least the bras are see through so you can see they are not padded. Not many impressive tits, if eliminate the sillies, pancakes, and saggy stuff. Some pretty faces. A bit too many thick thighs for me, but I could see girls would appeal to guys with a different taste. I hear plenty of guys like girls with more meat on them, where I go for rather slim. I would struggle to agree with another writer who claimed the girls were better than Crazy House. Did not find any girl where I felt enough spark to call her over...[/QUOTE]I will be there for the first time in BK within 10 days. For guys like me knowing nothing about looks, could someone please tell me how you notice "fake nose" ? Also please remind us what are "coyotes" and what we should understand since, from reading so many contributions, it mostly looks like one can't barfine them but sometimes yes. So what distinguishes "coyotes"? Thanks to all in advance.
Tonight Crazy House had a better line up. Some recent new pretty girls. Mercury bar in Nana was also way better than previous night. More girls. Go go No. 58 is very pretty plus No. 44 Noi has hot body. One of the Coyote girls has worked for just 3 days and is a super vivacious live wire. Slim with small ass. Pretty face. She is able to hold a very big smile almost permanently. Name was Anna. I enjoyed her company and bought her a few drinks even though she was not bar finable. She also works a restaurant near where I live. Would certainly take her if she was available. Instead took Noi. Fabulous BBBJ in 69 position. She is good.
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[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1778831]I will be there for the first time in BK within 10 days. For guys like me knowing nothing about looks, could someone please tell me how you notice "fake nose" ? Also please remind us what are "coyotes" and what we should understand since, from reading so many contributions, it mostly looks like one can't barfine them but sometimes yes. So what distinguishes "coyotes"? Thanks to all in advance.[/QUOTE]"Looks" is very personal. Some like small noses, upturned noses, sharp noses, flat noses, . . . "Fake nose", means a surgically enhanced nose which is not liked by mongers who more appreciate the little or more flat or wide South East Asian nose form.
"Coyotes" used to be bargirls or dancers that were not barfinable. They were some kind of "enhancement" of the bar, to make it more pretty. I have heard them called "agency" girls since they were -supposedly- hired from model-agencies.
But times have changed and now many bars employ coyotes that are simply a more expensive type of bar-girl. You pay higher barfines and higher fees for her services. Arguably they are more beautiful, better educated and speak better English. Bless you if you believe that. In that case I also happen to have a nice bridge for sale to you ("as is - where is; cash & carry").
[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1778831]I will be there for the first time in BK within 10 days. For guys like me knowing nothing about looks, could someone please tell me how you notice "fake nose" ? Also please remind us what are "coyotes" and what we should understand since, from reading so many contributions, it mostly looks like one can't barfine them but sometimes yes. So what distinguishes "coyotes"? Thanks to all in advance.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. If you cannot detect rhat a bose looks abbirmally weird, then there is no problem. LOL.
For me its a problem since some girls look like aliens non human.
Coyotes used to have a special dance style of undulating hips. They used to be not barfinable.
Times have changed. They do have a uniform though. Tight cut off very short shirts designed to cover pussy and only oart of the bottom. Bare midriff and and top to cover breasts. Coyote girls may now dance or shuffle same as go go girls. Some maybe barfinable at some bars. E. g. 1500 Baht BF at Mandarin and Mercury in Nana Plaza. Short time should cost 2500. Not every Coyote girl will be willing to go fuck. Some have decided they are not hookers. Coyote girls should on average be better looking than go go girls. Indeed they are on average and some very pretty. Most have slim but curvy bodies. A lot of Coyote girls have silicone tits but plenty don't. Some have natural noses.
In Soi Cowboy some bars have non BFable Coyotes. Cowboy 2 has BFable. Doll House has just 2 or 3 Coyotes bar finable I believe.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1779146]Ha ha. If you cannot detect rhat a bose looks abbirmally weird, then there is no problem. LOL.
For me its a problem since some girls look like aliens non human.
Coyotes used to have a special dance style of undulating hips. They used to be not barfinable.
Times have changed. They do have a uniform though. Tight cut off very short shirts designed to cover pussy and only oart of the bottom. Bare midriff and and top to cover breasts. Coyote girls may now dance or shuffle same as go go girls. Some maybe barfinable at some bars. E. g. 1500 Baht BF at Mandarin and Mercury in Nana Plaza. Short time should cost 2500. Not every Coyote girl will be willing to go fuck. Some have decided they are not hookers. Coyote girls should on average be better looking than go go girls. Indeed they are on average and some very pretty. Most have slim but curvy bodies.[/QUOTE]So, basically all the girls outside the bars "grabbing" at you are Coyotes?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1779146]Ha ha. If you cannot detect rhat a bose looks abbirmally weird, then there is no problem. LOL.
For me its a problem since some girls look like aliens non human.
Coyotes used to have a special dance style of undulating hips. They used to be not barfinable.
Times have changed. They do have a uniform though. Tight cut off very short shirts designed to cover pussy and only oart of the bottom. Bare midriff and and top to cover breasts. Coyote girls may now dance or shuffle same as go go girls. Some maybe barfinable at some bars. E. g. 1500 Baht BF at Mandarin and Mercury in Nana Plaza. Short time should cost 2500. Not every Coyote girl will be willing to go fuck. Some have decided they are not hookers. Coyote girls should on average be better looking than go go girls. Indeed they are on average and some very pretty. Most have slim but curvy bodies. A lot of Coyote girls have silicone tits but plenty don't. Some have natural noses.
In Soi Cowboy some bars have non BFable Coyotes. Cowboy 2 has BFable. Doll House has just 2 or 3 Coyotes bar finable I believe.[/QUOTE]When the coyote nonsense started that was pretty much the end of gogos for me. Actually when "The Arab" bought his first bar, Midnight, Cowboy began a very quick downhill slide. That is when prices started to get ridiculous as well. And truth be told most of the coyotes are not all that in the looks dept. It seems that youth and no baby drag are the main qualifications. When I want to see pretty girls I head to Paragon, Central World, or EmQ. After a trip there even the best gogo gals leave quite a lot to be desired. I still can't believe that dudes will pay 4 k or more (incl BF) for a ST with these girls. For a good looking sophisticated escort that can provide fantasy services, really understands male erogenous zones, and speaks good English I could see paying 150 USD for an hour, but for Isaan farmer's daughters with a 6th grade education; sorry, I just don't get it. They will never be worth more than 1 k ST and 500 BF to me. But hey, to each his own.
[QUOTE=Markly2;1779166]So, basically all the girls outside the bars "grabbing" at you are Coyotes?[/QUOTE]We have always referred to them as "bait" girls.
[QUOTE=Markly2;1779166]So, basically all the girls outside the bars "grabbing" at you are Coyotes?[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. These may be regular bargirls or waitresses or coyotes (of the barfinable or not-barfinable type). This is Thailand! Nothing goes according to plan or expectations.