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You are right, Breadman, I'm going to have to pay close attention to the airfare game now. In the past I've only had time for the occasional trip and it only made sense to do it in the summer so I could maximize the vacation time. But I don't think I could do three weeks of this, so now I'll want to add in some shorter trips more frequently.

I did try to describe exactly where Limburg is. It is between Frankfurt and Koblenz, just off the A3, so not near Munich at all. I did put in my reports that every club I visited, from Bernd's and Finca to the northwest and Oase and World to the southeast, was within an hour of Limburg.

I usually have Koblenz as my base, and guess JohnnyZ has used this Limburg [url]http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=sv&geocode=&q=limburg,+germany&ie=UTF8&ll=50.389259,8.123016&spn=0.760863,2.092896&z=10[/url]
that is really just a stone's throw from Koblenz. There are many nice things to look at in the area, not only walking around on two legs, and it's convenient to drive in any direction.

[QUOTE=Breadman]Limburg, is that city east of Munich? If that's the city you stayed in, hitting Bernds, Oase and World must have cost you a pretty penny in gas. There are tons of hotels in small cities between these 3 clubs that are cheap and offer the small town feeling.[/QUOTE]
Nope, that Limburg would be a different Limburg than the one Johnny Z stayed at. His is off the A3 between FRA and CGN (convenient to Finca).

[QUOTE=Johnny Z]But on THIS tour I had nothing against anonymous and meaningless sex. It was such a rush to be overwhelmed by it. I read somewhere that if you miss a chapter in your development you spend the rest of your life trying to fulfill it. Well, I don't think life is as simple as pop psychology, but it is certainly true that when I was 18 I was not having sex with all those 18-year old girls driving me crazy.

Even with the hobby back home, it is hard to meet 20-year old girls. They tend to be immature, unreliable and have no business skills. And that process of sounding them out usually reveals that they aren't very interesting, and/or we have very little in common.

On this tour, though, there they all were, with their perfect little bodies looking very young to me. I got a big dose of that this time. I saw a lot of older, fuller, more sympathetic women and they started to look more interesting the longer I was there. So I got a lot of that teen fixation out of my system.[/QUOTE]
We should get together sometime.

I hadn't planned on another trip this year but on the job front there is a possibility that my calendar might yield a free week sometime between now and the end of the year. If not, I will definitely have my customary winter inspection.

Funny you mention this thing about missing a chapter in your development. Its very true in my case. I certainly wasn't sleeping with enough hot 18 year olds when I was 18.

I've gotten over this teen fixation by visiting clubs and meeting 18 year olds who don't know how to please a man and don't have enough life experiences to hold up their end of a conversation.

There was an 18 year old German-Aussie chick, Bianca, who used to work at Bernds until about a year or so ago. Our conversations were about Sponge Bob Square Pants, a metallic rock band from Berlin she follows and about how her boyfriend hates his job at McDonalds. Sex on a physical level was okay.

I wonder where she is these days.

The other extreme to this is Sabine from Blue Note. If you ever get out there, she is a treat. She is definitely a woman, not a girl. Nice curves, nice smile and just that right combination of intelligence and sensuality. Definitely not hardened and very much involved and participatory. Most importantly, she shares my sense of humor.

Sigh. I wish all women were like her.

Instead in real life I end up with crazy, neurotic types who are either narcissistic and high maintenance or so concerned with being left behind in what the Germans call [i]Torschlusspanik[/i] when they get to their late thirties and early forties, they can only be described as man crazy.

The communication aspect of this is important to me. I have very little interest in women I can't understand. And as I've written before, if she doesn't smile at me and when I test for chemistry I can't make her laugh, I pass.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]This is why we visit FKK clubs instead of the Laufhaeuser [/QUOTE]
Sorry, I am new to this section - what is a Laufthaeuser?
And while I am at it, can someone explain the difference (or advantages/disadvantages) of FKK vs Partytreff?

Yes, I have lots of the forum, and think I understand FKK, but am still a little vague on the deal at Partytreff...

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Sorry, I am new to this section - what is a Laufthaeuser?
And while I am at it, can someone explain the difference (or advantages/disadvantages) of FKK vs Partytreff?

Yes, I have lots of the forum, and think I understand FKK, but am still a little vague on the deal at Partytreff...[/QUOTE]
A Laufhaus is a multi-story brothel with numerous rooms which the women rent. You negotiate directly with her, she closes the door, money changes hands and voila!

Never been to one?

As you leave the Frankfurt Hbf heading towards town, there are several side streets to the left where there are blocks full of Laufhaeuser.

Be prepared for a lot of stair climbing.

As to what a PT is, read this:

[post]769453[/post]

Its one of the questions answered towards the top (number five to be precise).

[QUOTE=Jackyo]As to what a PT is, read this:

[post]769453[/post]
Its one of the questions answered towards the top (number five to be precise).[/QUOTE]

Thanks, sorry I did not see that myself.
I guess I checked the PT FAQ, but not this one!

Jackyo and I are having a discussion about the cost of a trip and factoring in what its going to cost you to hobby while in Germany. I understand you have to pay for some things that aren't under your control like hotels, car rentals...and for the girls. But when it comes to club entrance fee's, what are your feelings toward this extra charge? Included in the hobby budget as an extra charge? Worth the price most of the time?

From where I used to hobby, there was an added expense to buy all your food, drinks, admission to stripclubs and the like....just to pass the time before the girl arrived at your hotel. Easily could run you 100 or more per day. So at least for me, I find the cover charge at most clubs easily pays for itself...food, drinks, girls to watch, sauna's, pools, showers...etc. Any comments for or against this thinking?

gentlemen, very thought provoking posts today.

[quote=jackyo]instead in real life i end up with crazy, neurotic types who are either narcissistic and high maintenance or so concerned with being left behind in what the germans call [i]torschlusspanik[/i] when they get to their late thirties and early forties, they can only be described as man crazy.
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i wonder if mongers may share certain phychologcal drivers to our "hobby".
jackyo touches on the downsides of perhaps starting/having a relationship with 30s/40s women in the "real" world. the world where they are very much affected by a multitude of societal, social, peer, family, religious, media driven influences on their thoughts and behaviour etc etc and fear of not being "normal" and "accepted". i tend to think the upshot of it all can often be they end up far from normal. ie "crazy, neurotic, man crazy".

now i turn to our often discussed magical and perhaps illusional "gfe". someone before said a gfe is when they have almost fallen for the girl/woman and feel they'd happily have them as a girlfriend in real life.

so, why do we "fall" for these fkk girls perhaps more than real world women?

jackyo comments
[quote=jackyo]
the ladies you and i like are the ones intelligent and skilled enough to realize what they're doing and provide that illusion.[/quote]

our magical "gfe" session is in a way a mini time compressed whirlwind romance and relationship. is it perfect because the provider is smart enough (or perhaps cynical enough beyond their age) to have figured out not what turns us on but what turns us off in the real world?
is it perhaps ironically not the qualities they have and the things they do that works the magic for us, but conversely the qualities they dont have and the things they dont do. i think the fact both parties are removed from reality and it's effects allows us to behave more naturally, chemistry is not impeded by socio-phycological overides. do we behave more naturally away from the "real" world? bizzare but maybe true. is that whats refreshing, is that what truly lays behind the enablement of what we call gfe experience maybe?

if so no wonder we feed more and more on the illusion. don't pause to wonder too much though ! that would be dangerous, that might make you consider how much it could be affecting your views on the real world. can't be doing that !
oh dear, suddenly ones scratching the itch more and more and in denial about having the itch and its building real world effects. you are addicted !

i think lbc once typed "remember it's only a game". wise words gentlemen.

wow, i've gone off on a deep one this time havn't i !

here's another to ponder while we bask in the glow of post gfe sessioning..
[quote=johnny z]
i read somewhere that if you miss a chapter in your development you spend the rest of your life trying to fulfill it.
[/quote]
what life chapter are these young beauties missing while working in fkk's?
will they spend their lives trying to find and fulfil it? or is the substitute chapter a far better more valuable read?

yours in philosophical mode

dt

Since 3.5 years ago after 1st sweetest memory in FKK, I had addicted to FKK hunting. I had took every chance in my job to Germany just for the pleasure days in FKKs.
I will go to Eastern Germany (Leipig and Dresden) for a couple of days for business and sure for FKK mongering in next month. The only FKK club in Eastern Germany ever been to is the Artemis in Berlin, but it is too far for my trip this time.

After searching this forum, there are far and few between reports and threads about the FKK/Brothels and even outcall services in Easten Germany.

Could any colleague provide related information?

Thanks in advance.

[quote=dick travel]gentlemen, very thought provoking posts today.

i wonder if mongers may share certain phychologcal drivers to our "hobby".
jackyo touches on the downsides of perhaps starting/having a relationship with 30s/40s women in the "real" world. the world where they are very much affected by a multitude of societal, social, peer, family, religious, media driven influences on their thoughts and behaviour etc etc and fear of not being "normal" and "accepted". i tend to think the upshot of it all can often be they end up far from normal. ie "crazy, neurotic, man crazy".

now i turn to our often discussed magical and perhaps illusional "gfe". someone before said a gfe is when they have almost fallen for the girl/woman and feel they'd happily have them as a girlfriend in real life.

so, why do we "fall" for these fkk girls perhaps more than real world women?

jackyo comments

our magical "gfe" session is in a way a mini time compressed whirlwind romance and relationship. is it perfect because the provider is smart enough (or perhaps cynical enough beyond their age) to have figured out not what turns us on but what turns us off in the real world?
is it perhaps ironically not the qualities they have and the things they do that works the magic for us, but conversely the qualities they dont have and the things they dont do. i think the fact both parties are removed from reality and it's effects allows us to behave more naturally, chemistry is not impeded by socio-phycological overides. do we behave more naturally away from the "real" world? bizzare but maybe true. is that whats refreshing, is that what truly lays behind the enablement of what we call gfe experience maybe?

if so no wonder we feed more and more on the illusion. don't pause to wonder too much though ! that would be dangerous, that might make you consider how much it could be affecting your views on the real world. can't be doing that !
oh dear, suddenly ones scratching the itch more and more and in denial about having the itch and its building real world effects. you are addicted !

i think lbc once typed "remember it's only a game". wise words gentlemen.

wow, i've gone off on a deep one this time havn't i !

here's another to ponder while we bask in the glow of post gfe sessioning..

what life chapter are these young beauties missing while working in fkk's?
will they spend their lives trying to find and fulfil it? or is the substitute chapter a far better more valuable read?

yours in philosophical mode

dt[/quote]
i don't know if this is happening to everyone else out there who is my age but sometime around the time i turned forty, the tables turned.

i spent my twenties chasing women who would mostly ignore me. i turned forty and those who are still available started expressing interest. it happened slowly and it wasn't clearly a trend but lately, it just seems to be snowballing. they don't do it aggressively but subtly. "maybe you might be interested in doing something this weekend?" that kind of thing.

the tables turned. i became the scarce commodity and they were a dime a dozen.

the result is that my personal life outside of an fkk club is quite complicated. its got a cast of characters coming and going who are in all sorts of crazy emotional states.

when i am at a party, its almost guaranteed that the craziest chick in the room will find me and monopolize my time.

what a relief it is to enter a club environment where the women are uncomplicated and i don't have to deal with the nuttiness.

considering demographic trends, it promises to only get worse. women who are married or have partners these days will eventually find themselves alone. its a fact that they outlive us.

so if i live long enough i will have my choice of silver and blue haired women who will want a piece of me.

i read these articles about how the cruise ships, for example, have to stock their ships with older gentlemen who can dance to provide entertainment to the single older women who make up their clientele.

now if only i can learn to dance.

the dilemma, of course, is that when i am older i won't really want to be with women my age.

oh well.

maybe at some point in time they'll set up fkk clubs for these women where the men are there for their pleasure and they pay us instead of the other way around. it could happen.

[QUOTE=Lllldick]Since 3.5 years ago after 1st sweetest memory in FKK, I had addicted to FKK hunting. I had took every chance in my job to Germany just for the pleasure days in FKKs.
I will go to Eastern Germany (Leipig and Dresden) for a couple of days for business and sure for FKK mongering in next month. The only FKK club in Eastern Germany ever been to is the Artemis in Berlin, but it is too far for my trip this time.

After searching this forum, there are far and few between reports and threads about the FKK/Brothels and even outcall services in Easten Germany.

Could any colleague provide related information?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
.. is scarce.

If you do a search typing in the words Leipzig and Dresden, a couple of posts will come up they don't have any meat in them.

I just answered a question on this topic under the Germany forum.

Good to see that you are slowly getting ready to join the Pensioners and know that when it is time, we have our ideal location waiting for us - great T-shirt title too:

Growing Old Disgracefully at Bernd's. ;-)

Only decision to be made will be- to start on the couches upstairs or downstairs?

If only life today was that simple.


[QUOTE=Jackyo]I don't know if this is happening to everyone else out there who is my age but sometime around the time I turned forty, the tables turned.

What a relief it is to enter a club environment where the women are uncomplicated and I don't have to deal with the nuttiness.

Oh well.

[/QUOTE]

It could always be in place to remind about this more or less indispensable map for a travelling hobbyist.

[url]http://www.isaw-db.com/map_de.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Excess]Good to see that you are slowly getting ready to join the Pensioners and know that when it is time, we have our ideal location waiting for us - great T-shirt title too:

Growing Old Disgracefully at Bernd's. ;-)

Only decision to be made will be- to start on the couches upstairs or downstairs?

If only life today was that simple.[/QUOTE]
... thank goodness and chances are I'll still be working way into my later years.

I like that T-shirt idea though! I'll have one made up!

Then on the backside of the T-shirt I'd have a list of the girls names with checkmarks for each one I've been with.

No one here will have a clue what it is about and that would be part of its appeal.

If there is any one thing which has probably changed the lives of Bernds clientele it is Vitamin V. It has allowed them to continue to be active beyond the point where they would normally hang their cleats up.

Its a wonder there isn't a medical incident each time I've visited. There are so many unfit older dudes mixing it up with younger, nubile sperm extractors.

That staircase heading to the basement would become a problem once the knees give way.