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[QUOTE=GoodEnough]But then, I live in the Philippines, and there's not a lot of fascination left in the country for me.[/QUOTE]
Besides the endless parade of 18 / 19 / 20 year old freebies there isn't much fascination for many of us I think.
However each year brings a new crop that come of age (and generally with more advanced skills then the group before them) and that does keep my interest :D
For someone going only for a week and for the first time, my suggestion would probably be Thailand since it is very straightforward. Philippines and Vietnam are harder work IMHO. But there are exceptions.
With Thailand, you can fly into BKK quite easily, find any hotel, have pussy playground by the afternoon or evening, and photographer's paradise all day next day with the exotic sights, sounds, scents of grand temples sparkling in the sun, floating markets, colourful Thai dancing snd so on, any if which xan blow you away. And you only need a glance through Lonely Planet or a quick chat with hotel reception to do the lot.
To do the combo in Philippines, you could go to Angeles City, a concentration of girlie bars and little else (unless you dig quite hard and deep) and organise a day trip to Pinatubo volcano (which I would possibly call one of the marvels of the modern world). Travel arrangements in Philippines can be a hassle I found, even with advance preparation. You could also go to Manila and LA Cafe and arrange day trips out of Manila for touristy things but getting out if Manila can be quite hard work.
Vietnam does have attractions, especially emotional ones I think and especially if you have been in the forces, but far less than Cambodia (I cannot find a single country that we in the West have f*cked up so totally, utterly, unjustifiably, etc and the destruction of the soul for anyone opening themselves to the facts is awesome). But the best touristy things are not aligned with the best P4P there, and the lack of infrastructure means sorting things out can be quite hard work - hard to get the best out of it in a week).
The downsides of Bangkok include traffic fumes and the fact that the sex scene is highly commercialised. But you can minimise this by avoiding travel at rush hour, using a hotel near some of the action, and trying your hand with freelancers if the main strips are too intense.
I was planning to go to Angeles and just now realized that the last week of march / first week of april is eastern. Am I right to think that it would probably be a good idea to postpone to 4-13th of April?
[QUOTE=Easy Rider 2]I love to monger but I also enjoy going to some of the touristy/scenic/historic locations of countries I visit.[/QUOTE]
With this condition I'd suggest Thailand.
Enjoy!
[QUOTE=Easy Rider 2]I am going to post this in all three country forums and evaluate the responses over the next day or two before deciding. I would really appreciate your opinions.
I am planning my first trip in April for a week to either Vietnam, Thailand or the Philippines.
Would you please offer your opinions to someone who has never been to either of these places?
I love to monger but I also enjoy going to some of the touristy/scenic/historic locations of countries I visit.
I was thinking that Vietnam might be a good combination because I was in the service during the Vietnam War, although not actually in Vietnam. But there are many important places there that I would like to see. I'm just not sure how much I can do of the visiting while also taking care of the mongering especially since I will only be there for a week and many of the Vietnam era sights are spread out and may be in smaller cities or rural areas.
The other choices are Thailand and the Philippines. Thailand is definitely cheaper than Manilla to fly to from Los Angeles. Plus I read on the threads that it costs less to monger in Thailand than in the Philippines.
I think there might be some more important historical and other sights to see in Thailand than in the Philippines, but that is just an impression. I am not sure what I would do in the Philippines other than monger. I am not a beach person due to my age (59) and fair skin.
I would appreciate your thoughts. Please don't read into the above comments that I necessarily prefer Vietnam. In fact I was originally thinking about the Philippines, then about Thailand due to the cost of the flights. I then started thinking about Vietnam but it is still only a thought.
I am first and foremost committed to the mongering aspects and would like that to be given the largest weight in any advice you care to give.
Also if you think there is somewhere else I should consider like Jakarta or Singapore for my first ever mongering trip please let me know.
Thank you very much for your insights.
ER2[/QUOTE]
Thailand is almost certainly your best bet. VN has interesting stuff to see though a week is not long enough, but the sex industry is heavily repressed by the government so it sucks as a mongering destination. if you want to try Vietnamese girls you would be much better off in Cambodia where about half the providers are from Vietnam - cute but way too commerical.
Thailand has a great mix of cultural sites, great food , good quality and value hotels and a highly organised sex scene. Probably the best bet if mongering is the prioority would be to check the palaces and temples in BKK for a couple iof days then herad south to Pattaya. The beach resort itself isnt that great but the sex scene is muchg beter value than the more well known resorts such as Phuket and Samui.
In my opinion the main reason for choosing the Phils would be if you wanted to indulge in the online dating GFE scene which is infinitely beter in Phils than anywhere else in asia or probably th whole world. Not muh in the way of cultural attractions though actually there are some world class beaches esp in palawan.
[QUOTE=Easy Rider 2]I am going to post this in all three country forums and evaluate the responses over the next day or two before deciding. I would really appreciate your opinions.
I am planning my first trip in April for a week to either Vietnam, Thailand or the Philippines.
Would you please offer your opinions to someone who has never been to either of these places?
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Thank you very much for your insights.
ER2[/QUOTE]From an attitude perspective perhaps Philippines is better. Whereas in Thailand the whole mongering scene is just another business and therefore girls are more transactional, in Philippines one still gets to see some 'innocence' in dealings. You are more likely to get a GFE experience in Philippines than in Thailand, while the effort needed to get a girl is about the same.
Hi,
I'm just wondering if anyone on the forum can give me some advice regarding the level of support I should provide to get a bar girl out of the bar and into her own place in AC. I'm well aware of all the guys that have been ripped off and taken advantage of so I really don't want any comments of that nature, just a realistic assessment of how much is needed. I read on the internet that the average wage for a computer engineer is about P25, 000 per month down to say a shop assistant earning P6, 000 per month but that doesn't mean it is possible to survive well on 6K (they may have to share or live with family at just above poverty level). I'm guessing that a reasonable figure would be between 10K and 20K per month. Does that sound reasonable?
Many thanks for any info!
[QUOTE=Sexy Geezer]Hi,
I'm just wondering if anyone on the forum can give me some advice regarding the level of support I should provide to get a bar girl out of the bar and into her own place in AC. I'm well aware of all the guys that have been ripped off and taken advantage of so I really don't want any comments of that nature, just a realistic assessment of how much is needed. I read on the internet that the average wage for a computer engineer is about P25, 000 per month down to say a shop assistant earning P6, 000 per month but that doesn't mean it is possible to survive well on 6K (they may have to share or live with family at just above poverty level). I'm guessing that a reasonable figure would be between 10K and 20K per month. Does that sound reasonable?
Many thanks for any info![/QUOTE]
The figures above are about right. I would guess a good bar girl inAC will make around P20-30k a month so a shop assistant wage isn't goin to be very attractive. I would expect most girls collecting 6k from foreigners would continue working the bars. Say P15k a month would be very comfortable for her but as doubtless many have told you, if she is in AC she may well find ways of supplementing that income whilst you are gone.
[QUOTE=Easy Rider 2]
I am planning my first trip in April for a week to either Vietnam, Thailand or the Philippines.
I love to monger but I also enjoy going to some of the touristy/scenic/historic locations of countries I visit.
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I have never been to Vietnam so I can't offer any advice on that choice.
The first question I ask is, "Are you going alone?"
If yes, "Do you speak Thai or Vietnamese?"
I have been to Thailand twice and the Philippines 6 times - always alone except for the first trip in 2003. The 2nd time I went to Thailand I went alone and it was a horrible nightmare for me. I am not a world traveler and the language barrier was too much to cope with (both times actually).
I much prefer the Philippines because English is widely spoken by the ladies. As far as other things to do, I have been to Corregidor Island and that was an enjoyable day trip. The volcano at Lake Taal is also a good day trip. I rode a small horse up to the rim.
I like LA Café in Manila for its bar type pickup scene. I met and spent time with some very beautiful girls at the LA Café tho they are in the minority. I have always had a good experience with whomever I took home that night.
I also take a trip to Angeles City for a day or 2. I have always rented a car and driven there and I enjoy that experience too. I factor in the cost of a bribe as some policeman always pulls me over for whatever reason they fancy at the moment. I pay the bribe quickly and get on my way…lol.
Either place should be ok. I did have 1 interesting night in BKK at Soi Cowboy, but mid-evening I spent some time in an English Pub around the corner chatting with some British lads. Again, it goes back to communicating for me. Then went back and barfine my girl for the evening. Just fucking and no conversation.
As they say…Up To You!!! LOL.
Enjoy,
Bob
[QUOTE=GregLondon]The figures above are about right. I would guess a good bar girl inAC will make around P20-30k a month so a shop assistant wage isn't goin to be very attractive. I would expect most girls collecting 6k from foreigners would continue working the bars. Say P15k a month would be very comfortable for her but as doubtless many have told you, if she is in AC she may well find ways of supplementing that income whilst you are gone.[/QUOTE]Thanks greglondon. I've already discussed this with her and if she needs to supplement then that's ok with me. She currently earns 20K average (she's pretty hot) and I offered her 14K which she accepted. I've already done some checking, eg. Using dummy myspace accounts to hit on her and she hasn't chatted with any of them so I'm pretty sure she's going to do right thing for now. No guarantees but I accept that.
Greg London already answered your question, so I'd just like to say thanks for the great pictures you posted on the photo thread.
Somewhat related...to pics...
For any newcomers who think they might like to post pictures, please do so, BUT, you will soon get PM asking for contact info and price. Responding is such a bad idea....on several diff levels - esp for her. THink about it.
If thinking is too hard for you at the moment, let me say that seducing unmarried adult women is not illegal. Some things are illegal and there is where you have to think...
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[QUOTE=Sexy Geezer]Hi,
I'm just wondering
Many thanks for any info![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sexy Geezer]Hi,
I'm just wondering if anyone on the forum can give me some advice regarding the level of support I should provide to get a bar girl out of the bar and into her own place in AC. I'm well aware of all the guys that have been ripped off and taken advantage of so I really don't want any comments of that nature, just a realistic assessment of how much is needed. I read on the internet that the average wage for a computer engineer is about P25, 000 per month down to say a shop assistant earning P6, 000 per month but that doesn't mean it is possible to survive well on 6K (they may have to share or live with family at just above poverty level). I'm guessing that a reasonable figure would be between 10K and 20K per month. Does that sound reasonable?
Many thanks for any info![/QUOTE]
20K is just about right, the water bill, electricity bill, mobile bill, transportation would itself cost 5k plus rent. She will have no savings with 20k if she wants to live reasonably in a western standard of living.
If you want her to be truly independent, you could give her more for savings, but Filipinos rarely save so better to open a joint fixed deposit account.
Its just a myth that computer engineers earn less in PH....i have dated some girls who work in call center and their salary is well over 100,000 pesos..the starting salary to work in a western owned call center is 15 to 20k.
Most of the girls who work in bars, with some effort and coaching classes could easily land a job in call center. The thing is there is no motivation, desire etc on the girls part to do well, if you push her, she may very well get a decent job in a call center.
[QUOTE=Its just a myth that computer engineers earn less in PH....i have dated some girls who work in call center and their salary is well over 100,000 pesos..the starting salary to work in a western owned call center is 15 to 20k.
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I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious. Are ypu saying girls at call centers can make over 100,000 per month or per year? If per month then that explains why I mostly hear Indian accents when call those customer service numbers.
[QUOTE=Toronto]I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious. Are ypu saying girls at call centers can make over 100,000 per month or per year? If per month then that explains why I mostly hear Indian accents when call those customer service numbers.[/QUOTE]
lol....so true dude...I'm from India and some 12 years back, when call center work was transfered to India. my first job after graduation due to lack of another opportunity was at a call center HP printers and Dell PC customer service. You might have heard me. :)
Yes, it is 100,000 PHP or INR/month both currency value are same, which is just 2100 USD per month minus all the benefits that American company gives to the employee. They still have huge profit by outsourcing work to India and PH.
However, in order to reach that level of salary, you must have worked on the same company for 2-3 years and or had more than 5 years of experience, with that kinda knowledge, the same guy in US would have double the 2000 dollars they offer to Filipinos. That is why outsourcing is so much profitable.
During the last six years or so, many American companies prefer Philippines than India due to more neutral accent of the Filipinos and more in tune with American culture. Now a days, it is like back office technical stuff for India and direct customer response work to Philippines.
Call center work is booming in PH and is set to take India out in 10 years or so. With that said, call center job is a thankless job, work on the graveyard shift (night shift) all year long, doing the same monotonous work again and again and again . Attrition rate is well over 80% in call center jobs. so for a bar girl willing to climb up in life, it is a good ladder to step into, but for a regular girl, all years of experience in a call center is wasted if she wants to pursue higher than taking calls. No body counts CC experience in real world works. Its a dicey situation.
[QUOTE=Sexy Geezer]Hi,
I'm just wondering if anyone on the forum can give me some advice regarding the level of support I should provide to get a bar girl out of the bar and into her own place in AC. I'm well aware of all the guys that have been ripped off and taken advantage of so I really don't want any comments of that nature, just a realistic assessment of how much is needed. I read on the internet that the average wage for a computer engineer is about P25, 000 per month down to say a shop assistant earning P6, 000 per month but that doesn't mean it is possible to survive well on 6K (they may have to share or live with family at just above poverty level). I'm guessing that a reasonable figure would be between 10K and 20K per month. Does that sound reasonable?
Many thanks for any info![/QUOTE]
If you want to get a bargirl out get her out of AC. The temptations are too much for her to play behind your back. Unless you are living with her in AC there is no way to check on her.
The bargirls are stuck in the routine. It is exciting for them to meet people from all over the world, screw few, sleep late, wake up late, sometimes wined and dined and free money thrown in their way. For a country girl who is literally bored with her life in the provinces it is Heaven. these are not my words. These are the info I get from the girls. Even when they go home , they cannot wait to come back. I have seen, heard, experienced with girls who play when their " boyfriends", sponsors etc are not in town.
I have taken one girl out of AC, supported her through school. She went back to Leyte, studied and started a small store. Although I am out of touch with her I am sure she is doing better.
If you send her back to her province it will be cheaper for you and her.