Abu Dhabi

[QUOTE=DrInTheDesert;1577104]Long time lurker, always a bit nervous about posting, but here goes. Been living in AD for 1+ years. I started checking out the WG bar scene + AMP scene around town. I think that, unlike a lot of the mongers on here, I've got two things going against me: I'm younger and not in great physical shape. The first thing makes a lot of WG's at bars (save for the PRCs who will jump at anything with a why chromosome) not too interested. Even thought I make a good salary. The second means that I have very little bargaining room. I've read countless AARs here and. Again, maybe I'm just a bad negotiator. I've never been able to get some of the steals that have been described on this board. What do I mean? I mean that even at the Ally Pally, not a single PRC that solicited me (and that's how it works there. From the moment you walk in) was willing to even talk for less than 600-700 AED for ST! I had this one experience where I walked in to the Ally Pally and THREE PRCs wouldn't leave me alone and insisted I take all three. They wanted 2500 for the three of them. Yeah, right. 2500 for three Russians. Yeah, I'd probably go for that. But PRCs? Give me a break. I negotiated them down to 1800, but still. That's way more than it ever should be.

...[/QUOTE]Doctor. I don't know how I missed this the first time around, but I did. Please let me offer a little sincere advice.

You say "I think that, unlike a lot of the mongers on here, I've got two things going against me: I'm younger and not in great physical shape. " I read that as being overweight, as many of us are. If you practice good hygiene and dress nicely this should not be a problem unless you are morbidly obese and cause the girls to fear physical injury.

Africans, CIS, Arabs, and Fillis are not ladies I would recommend for you. I suggest that you re think PRCs. Here is my suggested plan for you:

Go to Ally Pally at least three times a week but go on weekdays, not Thursday Friday. When you walk through the door you will be pounced on by the aggressive PRCs. Tell them politely, "Not take a lady tonight". Buy your beverage of choice and set up a regular spot. Perhaps a stool by the post with the little drink shelf. Somewhere central where you can see and be seen.

Take your time. Observe. Ladies will come up to you. Treat them politely. If someone makes eye contact that seems nice and not too aggressive perhaps go over to her. Make it clear, "Not take a lady tonight". Talk to them. If you find someone nice offer to buy them water or juice. Spend a couple of hours and leave. When you leave make the rounds of the ladies you spoke to and tell them good night. Wish them good luck.

Repeat. 4-5 times over two weeks. On each visit when you come in make the rounds of the room greeting ladies you know. Try to learn their Chinese names. Then get your beverage of choice and take up your usual spot.

When you have established this pattern on maybe your sixth visit confide to one lady that you would like to take a lady tonight and ask her for suggestions as to which lady. She may volunteer or suggest another. Make it for a short time. Offer 500 AED and do not budge from this price.

The first time you have sex with one of these girls is VERY important. They will immediately share with their GFs how much you paid, how you smell, size of your cock, what you do, how you treat them, etc. Believe me because I live with one of them when I am in Abu Dhabi. This first time sets the bar. Do NOT pay more than 500, do NOT give a tip or taxi money.

Next time in Ally Pally go back to the "not take a lady" routine. Wait a night and take another one using the same tactics. Do NOT take the same one two times in a row. Do not change price. If they refuse at 500 remain firm. Do not try for LT or weekend yet.

After you have had 3-4 of them you can try LT or weekend. Week night LT should be 700. Thursday ST maybe 700-800 and LT 1000, depending how late.

Follow this plan and you will be successful. If you need advice on any specific lady PM me, I know most of them.

Good luck and report back to us!

[quote=daveonnet;1577040]hi all.

it has been sometime finding worthwhile to share in auh forum. got to know of the new genuine massage center in a mezzanine floor of a residential apartment. went on a weekday at 4 pm and had choice of 2 prcs and 2 thais and choose a prc. proper massage table and wooden doors with lock facility which gave hint of extras. tested the waters by asking why no other african girls and she asked why and i said i generally get to see them in dubai parlours and she asks me you go to dubai for massage and i said yes since i get good massage with particularly good at one certain part. she laughs and says i also give. i'm like here you go. then she says how much and i say 100 and she says no bj but i give one in beginning and one after massage. i'm now like wawhh that's a good deal. so found a value deal for 2 shags.

massage: 7.

hj technique: 6.

english: 6.

ambience: 6.

cost: 120 + 100.

as usual contact details for forum contributors only. others please don't waste time by pm rather explore and post frs.[/quote]thanks daveonnet, finally got around to visiting. was given a thai, average looks below 5 actually but slim. one of the better proper thai massgaes i've had in a while and she wasn't avoiding any touches either but not in any erotic way. on the flip asked if i wanted a hj, and asked for 100, agreed. very nice technique and i managed to fondle her small boobs and slipped a hand through tight trousers to squeeze her bum cheeks. finsished and she proceeded with the rest of the massage including a nice head massage. requested hot towel and she brought 2 and rubbed me down. proper massage beds and doors with a fisheye peephole.

[quote=snow1998;1594403]thanks daveonnet, finally got around to visiting. was given a thai, average looks below 5 actually but slim. one of the better proper thai massgaes i've had in a while and she wasn't avoiding any touches either but not in any erotic way. on the flip asked if i wanted a hj, and asked for 100, agreed. very nice technique and i managed to fondle her small boobs and slipped a hand through tight trousers to squeeze her bum cheeks. finsished and she proceeded with the rest of the massage including a nice head massage. requested hot towel and she brought 2 and rubbed me down. proper massage beds and doors with a fisheye peephole.[/quote]hi snow,

glad to know you had fun. i think auh is slowly catching up with dxb in terms of isg scene and in terms of new mps. came to know of one more legit mp in mussafah shabiya behind a famous remittance outlet. also there are two more legit mps in a mall in icad area and one of that has africans as well apart from the regular prcs, thais, and viets. one striking similarity is that all charge aed 120 for 1 hour massage and good value massage than the ones available in so called spas in auh (again my opinion).

if all of us (will find time) to post our frs, hope auh scene will become active and many more treasures may come up but the challenge is to keep it discreet to avoid any unnecessary attention from le.

I am returning to Abu Dhabi after a long absence and a sabatical in Thailand. Is Blitz disco still going and is this the best place for PRCs? Been to Ally Pally many times and 49 ers etc.

I will be hunting for my favourite meal Chinese, can anyone offer any suggestions.

May the force be with you.

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker;1595039]
I will be hunting for my favourite meal Chinese, can anyone offer any suggestions.
[/QUOTE]Luke nice to see that you'll be back in Abu Dhabi again. Based on your short stay and the place you mentioned in your PM, I would recommend going to Ally Pally early and transitioning to Blitz (yes, still there) if you don't find a winner in a couple of hours at AP. AP maybe at 8 pm and Blitz at 10 if you need to.

Lately I've found the crop at AP a bit better than at Blitz but of course you can find a winner in either. I've had a live in WG GF for some months now and what I see is an increasing trend to pull a runner with some of the PRCs. This wasn't much of a problem ten years ago but it is increasingly so. So if you want a LT certainly cover that area in the interview and withhold payment until the agreed time in the morning.

We look forward to your FR.

Hi,

Can anyone tell me if the al Maha Arajaan Rotana on Hamadan street is green? As their are a lot of Chinese providers on Hamadan at night and wanted to know if the hotel says anything if you bring a girl.

[QUOTE=DaveOnNet;1594670]Hi Snow,

Glad to know you had fun. I think AUH is slowly catching up with Dxb in terms of ISG Scene and in terms of new MPs. Came to know of one more legit MP in Mussafah Shabiya behind a famous remittance outlet. Also there are two more legit MPs in a Mall in ICAD area and one of that has Africans as well apart from the regular PRCs, Thais, and Viets. One striking similarity is that all charge AED 120 for 1 hour massage and good value massage than the ones available in so called SPAs in AUH (again my opinion).

If all of us (will find time) to post our FRs, hope AUH scene will become active and many more treasures may come up but the challenge is to keep it discreet to avoid any unnecessary attention from LE.[/QUOTE]Agree with you completely on this. My problem or rather convince is that I'm only 40 mts drive away from MOE and barsha area. Thats a guaranteed good service as compared to trial in auh city, and the parking issue in auh city is just impossible. I still need to try out the reported corniche MP, Japanese? The next 2 months will be busy for me away from ISG as I will be having my other, other better half visiting. And then will need some time to rest and recover!

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker;1595039]I am returning to Abu Dhabi after a long absence and a sabatical in Thailand. Is Blitz disco still going and is this the best place for PRCs? Been to Ally Pally many times and 49 ers etc.

I will be hunting for my favourite meal Chinese, can anyone offer any suggestions.

May the force be with you.[/QUOTE]Visited Wharehouse marina was dead. Time 23.30 hrs, only three people one couple and one girl by herself. Went over to 49 er's, almost an equal mix of black and yellow. I was not picking tonight, just talked to a few girls, some nigerian claiming to be from Ghana, quoted 800 for LT. Some good looking PRCs didn't approach them though. More women than men.

[QUOTE=TanvirMalik;1595052]Hi,

Can anyone tell me if the al Maha Arajaan Rotana on Hamadan street is green? As their are a lot of Chinese providers on Hamadan at night and wanted to know if the hotel says anything if you bring a girl.[/QUOTE]It used to be very green. Would have parties there with 2, 3, 4 couples and not an eyebrow raised. Haven't done this in about 2. 5 years but no reason to think it changed.

Thanks for your comments guys, Ally Pally, Blitz and 49 ers will all get a visit this weekend seems like nothing much has changed apart from the price. I have always managed to get what I want for 500 aed in the past.

May the force be with you and I will report my findings.

NG,

Nice advice. Helpful to all. I used to post on occasion a few years ago when I was making frequent trips to the sand lands, most often to AD. Some CIS and AFR, but mostly PRC gals. Suddenly I moved to Dubai Marina with my wife on a long term assignment and for 2 years no WG action. Even when she was away, I had no interest in the CCTV cameras or front desk people seeing me take a "guest" back to the apartment, complete with dog. I was usually too tired from the usual Abu Dhabi-Dubai commute and 24-hour work schedule (between a demanding client here and phone calls with the states) to mess around too much. That said, there were lots of British gals in Dubai who seemed free for the taking anyway after a few drinks, although some llooked like land sloths with the heels off and makeup askew, and this is of course while they were in the bar. Dubai's famous Friday brunches are a magnet for British women dressed to f***, although mainly their goal seems to be getting as roaring shitfaced as possible.

Well now I have moved back to the US and am once again "commuting" to AD or DXB. I will be back in mid-August. My old hangouts circa 2010-12 were Blitz and G-Club, occasionally I went to the 4th floor bar at Royal M mainly to sightsee (occasional takes if I stayed at Royal M, and at least two bad experiences with girls from there and at the Sheraton disco which makes its money off of selling overpriced bottles). 49 ers was strictly a mixed bag for me, CIS had nasty attitudes and the PRC's were borderline. HoJo's had a bar on top which was disgusting. I went once to Ally Pally, an occasional looker there but mostly beneath borderline. The advice given by NG would have been helpful there a long time ago.

From what I am reading, it sounds like not much has changed, though the quality may be a little better than before when compared with Dubai. I am not yet sure where I'll stay (most of my time I am going to be closer to Bab al Bahr area) but want to find something green. Also, have any new hangouts emerged or is it still the usual Blitz-AP-49 ers circuit?

Thanks and looking warily at getting back into the WG habit.

Rdwryr22.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;1594275]Doctor. I don't know how I missed this the first time around, but I did. Please let me offer a little sincere advice.

You say "I think that, unlike a lot of the mongers on here, I've got two things going against me: I'm younger and not in great physical shape. " I read that as being overweight, as many of us are. If you practice good hygiene and dress nicely this should not be a problem unless you are morbidly obese and cause the girls to fear physical injury.

Africans, CIS, Arabs, and Fillis are not ladies I would recommend for you. I suggest that you re think PRCs. Here is my suggested plan for you:

Go to Ally Pally at least three times a week but go on weekdays, not Thursday Friday. When you walk through the door you will be pounced on by the aggressive PRCs. Tell them politely, "Not take a lady tonight". Buy your beverage of choice and set up a regular spot. Perhaps a stool by the post with the little drink shelf. Somewhere central where you can see and be seen.

Take your time. Observe. Ladies will come up to you. Treat them politely. If someone makes eye contact that seems nice and not too aggressive perhaps go over to her. Make it clear, "Not take a lady tonight". Talk to them. If you find someone nice offer to buy them water or juice. Spend a couple of hours and leave. When you leave make the rounds of the ladies you spoke to and tell them good night. Wish them good luck.

Repeat. 4-5 times over two weeks. On each visit when you come in make the rounds of the room greeting ladies you know. Try to learn their Chinese names. Then get your beverage of choice and take up your usual spot.

When you have established this pattern on maybe your sixth visit confide to one lady that you would like to take a lady tonight and ask her for suggestions as to which lady. She may volunteer or suggest another. Make it for a short time. Offer 500 AED and do not budge from this price.

The first time you have sex with one of these girls is VERY important. They will immediately share with their GFs how much you paid, how you smell, size of your cock, what you do, how you treat them, etc. Believe me because I live with one of them when I am in Abu Dhabi. This first time sets the bar. Do NOT pay more than 500, do NOT give a tip or taxi money.

Next time in Ally Pally go back to the "not take a lady" routine. Wait a night and take another one using the same tactics. Do NOT take the same one two times in a row. Do not change price. If they refuse at 500 remain firm. Do not try for LT or weekend yet.

After you have had 3-4 of them you can try LT or weekend. Week night LT should be 700. Thursday ST maybe 700-800 and LT 1000, depending how late.

Follow this plan and you will be successful. If you need advice on any specific lady PM me, I know most of them.

Good luck and report back to us![/QUOTE]

Glad you got lucky at the RM. I used to go there 2011-12 period on occasion but it was real hit or miss. One CIS there was real bad news, and the gals there are way too expensive. But they are probably the best looking in AD. My impression there is the gals want the guys of the Arabic persuasion, an American or Brit just doesn't cut it.

Rdwryr22.

[QUOTE=MaximusBibicus;1580095]Hello Abu Dhabiers,

I had a pleasure of staying in your fine city for one night and it was definitely an experience I had compared to Dubai.

Had some business dealings in AD and I usually stay in Dubai due to the hobby scene but for the first time in 5 years decided to stay for 1 night at Le Meridien due to Illusions. Got in without paying cover and not sure if they have cover charge but when I told the bouncer I'm hotel guest he saw my car and asked me to jot down my name and room number which I obliged. Once inside the place was jam packed being Friday night and the beauties seem to have been preoccupied.

I tried to make my way to the bar and couldn't go through, finally saw an opening and a gentleman beat me to it, he turned around and asked me what I'm ordering told him I was fine and he insisted that he saw me struggling that I take the first drink on him and he will take the second round on me. I was amazed by his hospitality and he befriended me and asked me to join at his table where he was sitting with his firecracker. I told him straight up that I'm envious of his gf, she was CIS blondie wearing all green and danced liked fire. She was wearing a short green dress, green bra, green hand bag and green sandal, I asked her if her panties are green and she said she isn't wearing one! To which me and the gentleman Hi 5 ed.

He was kind enough to give me tips on some of the lonely sitting girls and recommended a girl which was slightly bulkier and his words were "she is extreme" I didn't feel any vibes coming from her, but he did approach a few girls for me and said "meet my friend, he is new in AD" which was a good ice breaker. Finally after giving up I excused and moved to a corner. Another monger was brokering a deal with a hottie, she was wearing short jeans and a loose shirt with a cleavage, all I heard was "do you give BJ" she said yes and off they went. Half hour later the girl was back, I'm assuming she was rip off or the deal didn't go through in the room.

I finally took a chair and sat down, an average looking gal Diana from Uzbekistan came and introduced herself, my new AD friend came and said take good care of him as I'm new. I felt like I was now a celebrity at Illusions. Diana and I talk but I'm not feeling her at all, we danced a few songs but then I start eyeing another fine looking girl with a spinner type body who was brushed off from a table we maintained eye contact and she didn't come by. I went back to Diana and asked tried to seal the deal for 1000 and she wouldn't go below 1500. Diana seemed in her late 20's with slight cushion for pushin, which I didn't mind. Small tits too which is ok for me and she did kiss. The only drawback is when she spoke it felt like I was speaking to someone with a down syndrome. Her Arabic was much better than her English and even though she has been in UAE for about 5 years (according to her) I asked her if BJ without condom and she got angry that I wanted sex without condom. After a few tries she got what I meant. "oooooh you mean suck" yes suck no condom. Phew! Deal was sealed for 1000.

About to get a drink for my "new friend" and he is off with his girl, definitely doing to take her next time I'm there and if she is there. As I leave the club, I thought the bouncer will stop us but no, he called the elevator for me, so the hotel is green but what about registering Diana? Seems like they don't care. "Fuck me, forgot to negotiate time, thought I'll do it in the room".

Drama started in the room, forgot to clean out the minibar, she wants beer, I have a bottle of Chivas, she is adamant that she wants beer. Finally convinced her to go for Chivas. Got some talking done, she wanted music and we danced for about an hour, good times. Time was around 2:30 and she said she will leave around 6, I told her if she will leave at 6, then give me the money back and she can leave now. She got angry about my behaviour with her and this is completely my mistake, next time I'll make a list on my phone of things to negotiate before going to the room oh well. Lesson learned for using small head.

She said if I give good "baksheesh" (tip) she will stay with me till the morning, Agreed! She laughed and said "good baksheesh, not 10 dhs" I said don't worry. After a few drinks, back at dancing the kissing, undressing, sucking, fucking began to a whole next level. She was on fire, phone call interruptions were annoying where at one point her friend came to take money. She asked me again "good baksheesh" I said yes for the love of god. Back to our fucking and round one was condom off and unloaded on her tits. Followed by a few smokes, a drink and round two and we slept.

In the morning about 8 I see her walking to the bathroom, and once she is back I go fresh up, come back put the condom on and surprise "sex" she kind of liked it, we kept going for good 20 minutes and back to sleep. At around 10 am I hear sound coming from the dressing table and when I get up to see I feel down after what I saw, it was basically Diana dressed up in Abaya and I had thought some LE lady had raided my room. I instantly got another woody, and told Diana frankly that her "baksheesh" is going to be good, all she has to do is undress, come wearing the Abaya for which I will pay her 250 and I knew she would upsell because she is all ready now, so we agreed on baksheesh for 300. She went to the bath room came wearing nothing but Abaya, heels and face covered in Niqab and horny bastard me didn't bother taking the abaya off and kept doggying her in it. Gave her 325 and off she went, if I hadn't seen the Abaya my tip was going to be 100 only for her. Also I thought the Abaya rule was for Sharjah but I'm guessing its to be safe in AUH as well?

Fun times in AUH and I might try to hobby here more often, as Dubai scene is becoming a fantasy than reality.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rdwryr22;1596451]NG,
Nice advice. Helpful to all.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much Rdwry. I am out of the country now during Ramadan but chatting with my WG / GF who has actually had remarkable commercial success this weekend. Even though it is Ramadan it was a Th-F after mid month pay day (the girls track this, of course). My advice, which will not surprise you, is to work AP, and maybe Blitz if you need to, and find a regular. I am insanely happy with my current WG / GF. We know each other's buttons. We know about each others lives. We know each person's aspirations. We respect each other. And we have insane world class sex.

Even better, we are very good friends.

[QUOTE=NguyetLang;1576440]Recently moved here for work. Have some time on the weekend and, just for fun, did a google with "massage abu dhabi. " A bunch of websites showed up. Further digging around found a website run by a PRC girl name Jenny.[/QUOTE]Tried this agency following the tips from Nguyet, however have to report a more disappointing experience unfortunately. Called up and stated which girl I wanted from the website. Went for a fairly believable realistic looking image (some are clearly fake, some are less obviously so), basically a mid-20's looking girl who was fairly pretty.

The 'girl' who came was closer to mid-30's and definitely not what I would call pretty. A 4-5 Max. Still, I decide to invite her in and see how it goes.

Definitely no GFE (not that I was looking for that) as soon as she's in my room she is trying to get the condom on me. Covered BJ which is quite nice and onto sex in a few positions with some obligatory moaning from her. Some more covered BJ (she changes condoms) and a HJ finish. The actual performance was not bad, but I found her to be a bit dull and quiet (I like it when the girls are a bit more giggley / ditzy / fun).

One really off putting thing was her breath. Didn't even want to try for DFK, it was so bad the room stunk for a while after she left.

Paid 500 + 100 taxi / tip.

Have been told that once they know you as a client you can request better quality girls at a higher mark up. Might give it a go, but not in a rush either.

Dear comrades,

Have been in UAE, particularly in Abu Dhabi for a few years, bur never really explored the possibilities. I new they existed but calling an Escort is not my thing and I am not into publicly hunting in the known bars and joints for WGs because I am bit of a pussy. The idea that I can be seen, by somebody I know, sitting in a bar with a couple of WGs by my side acts like a cold shower.

So there you go, a lot of thinking about it, but not many actions to show for it.

I like Asian Women and very recently I discovered, by searching on the google a hint about a place in Dubai, in some guys blog, that is named after a Chinese greeting, where the author implied pretty uniformed girls and shady business. Bare in mind that this happened 3 weeks ago when I didn't even know the existence of this forum. So I went there with a bit of stress and excitement (Thanks to the fact that the hosting hotel was on the GPS). Gorgeous girl on the reception, called a cute girl on some kind of uniform with short skirt. Nice body, nothing spectacular but nothing off putting also. I do not like chubby and she was not.

Little dark room with mattress on the floor, girl exits the room for me to change to my birthday suit, and then entered and procided doing an unremarkable massage on my back. Bear in mind I am a regular in normal Spas like the ones in the4/5 star hotels. Well I thought I paid 175 AED for one hour of average massage vs the 400-500 AED in the proper spas, that's is not a too bad deal.

And then it happened, she started massaging under the towel in an area extremely close to the jewels. It didn't take much to be arroused and then since still in normal spa mode I was feeling stressed about the fact that I'll have to turn around and face a shocked and disgusted innocent maseuse that had no intent to turn me on. Of course I knew it wasn't the case, but bare in mind this was a first exprience in an AMP with extra services.

Once I turned she massaged around the protected area and asked if I want massage there, I said a quiet "well. Yes. Why not" In my head it sounded more like "Aaaaaaaaah". (divine chorus).

She offered the menu, HJ 100 AED, HJ with Spanish 200 AED, BJ 300. I wanted BJ, but chickened out because she could offer no cover and didn't have any on me (I am pussy remember? Control freak that wants to leave no ends untied). Anyhow I opted for option 2.

She removed her top, grapped / hugged kissed freely, (no deep kissing stuff, wouldn't want anyway) Then sucked boobs, nice and firm. Forgot to tell that the girl was from China I think named Mona (yeah right). Then she proceeded with a technique half spanish / half HJ that she was doing quite well, naturally I ejaculated after a while and was a happy man. I found heaven on Earth, and wanted to discover similar places in Abu Dhabi. I know new that they existed. I am kind of hooked to the sport, not only because of the ejaculation part, but because of the detective work and adventure till you get that.

I did vigorus research, discovered this forum and info on other sites / blogs, So here I was last week driving towards a happy place in abu dhabi between Dubai and Abu Dhabi but inside the Abu Dhabi emirate.

Again no guarantees that this is such a place as the one that I experienced, but the game was on and it was exciting. Arrived there after booking appointment for the four hands signature dish.

Gorgeus girls, what a great start, Private spacy room with shower inside, Mattress on the floor, Toilet roll of paper in the corner, this looked like the thing, plus the girls where wearing grey but very sexy pijamas (and they were with makeup obviously putting an effort to be as pretty as possible, and they were.

Massaged started, normal massage from the girl on the top part of my body, at some point on and off under the towel massage by the girl in the bottom section, actually touchin my nuts. YES we are on business, then I started chating I complemented their beauty and was succesfully flirty, (bear in mind that I am not an inexperienced girl puller) I told them that the fact that they were pretty was not relaxing at all to particular parts of my body, they giggled, I thought we were on, then they started interogasting me, have I been there before? No, Did I go to other branch in Dubai before? No, where do I go for massage in abu dhabi? Shangri la, they started talking in thai, I was a too nice guy, seemingly oblivious of the existence of extra services. Massage ended with no offers, it was a sexy massage, I touched here and there since they were moving my hands on their thighs and waist possibly unintentionally, I got excited a few times and they giggled, and got my balls massaged but nothing else. I also didn't ask for it, a paid 400 AED (well spent anyway since the massage was good) and left 100 AED fot tip.

Could have I missed a chance due to innocent behavior? Was it the four hand massage that didn't allow them to proceed and if I was 1 to1 there may have been an offer? Don't know, but I will try to find out next week. Till then any advice out of the above descriptions is most welcome. I will not PM anybody about numbers and locations since I have a few things to try and places to visit out of my own research and I will report on them. Hopefuly by the time I finish with them you guys will feel like you know me enough to trust me with your own info.

Happy hunting.