Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697579]The last girl I met at a hotel for the first time was basically a catfish. Looked nothing like her pics and was straight up p4 p. Got dressed as soon as I was done. I'm not meeting at a hotel first anymore.[/QUOTE]But I bet you felt it in the text interaction and just hoped for the best. You can def feel the hooker vibe. Quick to PPM chat, not willing to chat deeply for a couple weeks, doesn't ask for pics.

Not that this is common but two of my best dates ever were "straight to room" but def not a hooker vibe at all. They were both relatively known in their town. Sorta party girl socialites. Both wanted to chat EXTENSIVELY before gettting down to business. (2 hrs of a 5 HR visit). And before someone says they were hookers. Puleez. No hooker with 9 looks is spending 5 hours with you for $400-500 all in.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2697652]But I bet you felt it in the text interaction and just hoped for the best. You can def feel the hooker vibe. Quick to PPM chat, not willing to chat deeply for a couple weeks, doesn't ask for pics.

Not that this is common but two of my best dates ever were "straight to room" but def not a hooker vibe at all. They were both relatively known in their town. Sorta party girl socialites. Both wanted to chat EXTENSIVELY before gettting down to business. (2 hrs of a 5 HR visit). And before someone says they were hookers. Puleez. No hooker with 9 looks is spending 5 hours with you for $400-500 all in.[/QUOTE]You chat with them for a couple of weeks before a date? Maybe I'm doing it wrong then. I started out trying to follow your guide but would get asked what I was looking for and what my ppm was so I started asking earlier to screen out the ones that wanted a lot. I also noticed when I ask them about gifts they don't seem to get the hint and I've been asked for gift cards before on top of ppm.

I hit her up saying I was in town for the weekend and she was ok with ppm. She did ask for pics though. I met up with other girls when I was traveling before but met in public first. I also met a girl at a hotel close to home for the first meet and she looked like her photos. She was on onlyfans though so kind of half a sex worker.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697790]You chat with them for a couple of weeks before a date? Maybe I'm doing it wrong then. I started out trying to follow your guide but would get asked what I was looking for and what my ppm was so I started asking earlier to screen out the ones that wanted a lot. I also noticed when I ask them about gifts they don't seem to get the hint and I've been asked for gift cards before on top of ppm.

I hit her up saying I was in town for the weekend and she was ok with ppm. She did ask for pics though. I met up with other girls when I was traveling before but met in public first. I also met a girl at a hotel close to home for the first meet and she looked like her photos. She was on onlyfans though so kind of half a sex worker.[/QUOTE]I don't know that it's for everyone but yes I like to chat a couple weeks before meetup. We usually first talk if they prefer red or white Italian or Asian. A real vibey chatty girl we'll chat about what we are binging on Netflix. I swear to god I never would have landed Leya if we hadn't clicked on the reality shows we both like. Another girl and I got hooked up about books because she said she like to read and I recommended something and she bought it on Amazon next day. I love this kinda "friends" before meetup thing (and often continue after). Alexa and I chatted about her small business or her new apt for like a year after meeting and really established the trust for her to fly 3000 miles to see me).

A couple weeks is about right but I've done as much as 8 weeks of chat with some of my best girls (and one memorable sex fail! I think it also helps screen. Because they are only going to chat deep if they like you and are not a pro. So that ends up being good.

I always try to establish the PPM before meetup but that is usually several days or a week into chat. And don't call it PPM! Unless she does first. I have a new patter that is working well because it sort of makes them self qualify and also makes clear I am not a local and sex is on the table. It Goes something like this:

I'm coming to town in a few weeks and looking for an amazing girl for awesome nights out (and in! Bubbly chatty affectionate. Any of that sound like you?

Notice the "and in" puts sex immediately on the table without being rude. You can sub your own attributes but I thought about girls I like best and other than "loves to kiss" those are the keys. And the "any of that sound like you" is both an open question that tends to get a response and they are qualifying for ur offer by saying "yes I am your type of girl". So win win there.

Hope this helps. What PPM are you offering in what geography roughly?
Ps. I know several only fans girls and would not really even call them half pros. Only fans is pretty chaste since it’s not real life.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697479]That makes sense. Have you run into any girls that are just there for the expensive meal though? I was talking to one girl that expected fancy meals every date and I felt like she'd order the most expensive thing probably.

Do you avoid girls that want to meet at a hotel?[/QUOTE]I dislike dinner as a first date or as a meet-and-greet. If there is no chemistry, then you are stuck at a restaurant with her for an hour. If it is a fancy restaurant, then it can last even longer. Plus, sometimes I am not horny after I eat.

I like meeting for a drink. Try that. Sometimes alcohol creates chemistry, hahaha.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2697856]I dislike dinner as a first date or as a meet-and-greet. If there is no chemistry, then you are stuck at a restaurant with her for an hour. If it is a fancy restaurant, then it can last even longer. Plus, sometimes I am not horny after I eat.

I like meeting for a drink. Try that. Sometimes alcohol creates chemistry, hahaha.[/QUOTE]I always meet them in the bar at a restaurant. This way if things are going great, you can keep the evening going. If there is no chemistry or fake pictures, one drink and bail.

The model is back. We met last weekend and again last night. She was all dressed up last night, and wow, just stunning. The issue is her crazy ass mom, when she is in town she will not let her leave the house. Mexican mom's are the worst controlling, sabotaging and jealous behavior.

Bad news is her mom is back in town, but I have been hooking up with the be team. As usual crazy sex in the MTY. Monday has been a wild day, and one more meeting to go.

Update on the Doctor, I dumped her she was texting my 15-25 times a day, just not what I am looking for, all the text messages we're driving me crazy.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2697856]I dislike dinner as a first date or as a meet-and-greet. If there is no chemistry, then you are stuck at a restaurant with her for an hour. If it is a fancy restaurant, then it can last even longer. Plus, sometimes I am not horny after I eat.

I like meeting for a drink. Try that. Sometimes alcohol creates chemistry, hahaha.[/QUOTE]Drinks would be preferred but I find a good amount of girls that don't drink. Or claim to at least. That is my fear about restaurants too but it went ok the one time I did it.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2697834]I don't know that it's for everyone but yes I like to chat a couple weeks before meetup. We usually first talk if they prefer red or white Italian or Asian. A real vibey chatty girl we'll chat about what we are binging on Netflix. I swear to god I never would have landed Leya if we hadn't clicked on the reality shows we both like. Another girl and I got hooked up about books because she said she like to read and I recommended something and she bought it on Amazon next day. I love this kinda "friends" before meetup thing (and often continue after). Alexa and I chatted about her small business or her new apt for like a year after meeting and really established the trust for her to fly 3000 miles to see me).

A couple weeks is about right but I've done as much as 8 weeks of chat with some of my best girls (and one memorable sex fail! I think it also helps screen. Because they are only going to chat deep if they like you and are not a pro. So that ends up being good.

I always try to establish the PPM before meetup but that is usually several days or a week into chat. And don't call it PPM! Unless she does first. I have a new patter that is working well because it sort of makes them self qualify and also makes clear I am not a local and sex is on the table. It Goes something like this:

I'm coming to town in a few weeks and looking for an amazing girl for awesome nights out (and in! Bubbly chatty affectionate. Any of that sound like you?

Notice the "and in" puts sex immediately on the table without being rude. You can sub your own attributes but I thought about girls I like best and other than "loves to kiss" those are the keys. And the "any of that sound like you" is both an open question that tends to get a response and they are qualifying for ur offer by saying "yes I am your type of girl". So win win there.

Hope this helps. What PPM are you offering in what geography roughly?
Ps. I know several only fans girls and would not really even call them half pros. Only fans is pretty chaste since its not real life.[/QUOTE]Sounds like your game is pretty good to keep them hooked for a couple of weeks. My text game sucks but I've done better in person so usually I want to meet ASAP.

I've been doing 500 in major CA cities. A decent number of girls ask for 6-800 and some 12-1500. To be fair the 1500 was a blonde 20 yo college student but a woman closer to 40 told me she gets more than double when I said I did 500 for ppm. Said her last sd told her not to accept anything less.

Interesting that you don't call it ppm. When I started the direct girls would say they did ppm or ask what mine was so I figured it was ok to use / ask. Either that or they ask me what mutually beneficial means to me. In my experience when I dropped hints about what gifts were expected they asked about gift cards. After seeing the wide spread of ppms my strategy has been to switch to text and see what ppm they're ok with so I don't waste my time on a girl who expects a lot. Maybe that's been my problem though and why I've found the girls I have.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697942]Sounds like your game is pretty good to keep them hooked for a couple of weeks. My text game sucks but I've done better in person so usually I want to meet ASAP.

I've been doing 500 in major CA cities. A decent number of girls ask for 6-800 and some 12-1500. To be fair the 1500 was a blonde 20 yo college student but a woman closer to 40 told me she gets more than double when I said I did 500 for ppm. Said her last sd told her not to accept anything less.

Interesting that you don't call it ppm. When I started the direct girls would say they did ppm or ask what mine was so I figured it was ok to use / ask. Either that or they ask me what mutually beneficial means to me. In my experience when I dropped hints about what gifts were expected they asked about gift cards. After seeing the wide spread of ppms my strategy has been to switch to text and see what ppm they're ok with so I don't waste my time on a girl who expects a lot. Maybe that's been my problem though and why I've found the girls I have.[/QUOTE]You hear about all these girls getting these crazy prices. There, might be a few, but it is not the normal. I just do not see a lot of guys shelling out $1500 for a date. They can say what they want, but it is definitely not the norm. Especially now, with the economy in decline, prices might even go down. During Covid everyone had time and money, this will be different.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697942]I've been doing 500 in major CA cities. A decent number of girls ask for 6-800 and some 12-1500. To be fair the 1500 was a blonde 20 yo college student but a woman closer to 40 told me she gets more than double when I said I did 500 for ppm.[/QUOTE]Asian massage parlors, with top notch girls are 200. Not sure why anyone would overpay for full service? And you really only are having sex with a latex condom. I had one who wanted 350 each time plus I had to take her out to a nice restaurant for dinner, which was another 75-100 including drinks, then she had a hard time getting a baby sitter, and I just got tired of her.

I enjoy more my rotating male vibrator, that cost me only $50 and it does not talk back, does not make excuses other than "recharge me", and is much easier to schedule; less aggravation than a woman!

Peeps,

Going to Argentina later this year.

I haven't read that much here, some people reported paying between $100-200.

This seems high as Argentina economy is very bad right now and seeking has about 1,500 girls on it.

I wonder if people are paying $200 here because the are getting quoted in dollars and because you are foreign?

Has anyone every paid a girl off seeking in pesos?

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2698095]Peeps,

Going to Argentina later this year.

I haven't read that much here, some people reported paying between $100-200.

This seems high as Argentina economy is very bad right now and seeking has about 1,500 girls on it.

I wonder if people are paying $200 here because the are getting quoted in dollars and because you are foreign?

Has anyone every paid a girl off seeking in pesos?[/QUOTE]Fact is if you don't know a market you have to guess. I always go with this rule of thumb: What a top escort gets in that market for an hour is what a Seeking girl might get for an evening". This is not always right but its often close enough.

So in Baires I found one escort service that looked good. Think it was Geisha. And girls were $200/ hour. So that was where I thought my seeking girls should be. Think it was pretty much on. Saw one 8 and one 9+. I am sure you can find lower priced girls. But not the ones I want.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697579]The last girl I met at a hotel for the first time was basically a catfish. Looked nothing like her pics and was straight up p4 p. Got dressed as soon as I was done. I'm not meeting at a hotel first anymore.[/QUOTE]If a gal does not look like her pictures I walk. You cannot trust anything she says. Better to cut your loss. It never works out.

Disclaimer: No representation is made that the services provided by this "girl-enthusiast" are better than those provided by other girl-enthusiasts!

I was just reflecting on some of the great experiences I've had and some of the classic things girls have said. Either because they were funny or warmed my heart. Here's a few.

Kendall, recognizing me from a year ago: "Oh I remember you. You like to fuck a lot. ".

Me (slightly embarrassed): "Oh well yeah I travel a lot and see girls wherever I go. ".

Kendall, laughing: "No no. I mean you like to fuck for a very long time!" 😂.

Emily, a babe in the woods. New to seeking. Limited sexual experience. After having done DATY for 20-30 minutes and given her an amazing time, she says "Damn. I musta never had that done right before. That was really something!" Heheheh.

Thifany. Our last night together in London: "Babe I've had so much fun if you want to do this again I won't charge you anything. " Wow.

Krystal, after I apologize for fucking her blind for over an hour and not cumming: "It's no problem babe. You can fuck me all night if you want!" Yes ma'am.

Jesse, quite new / young, in my room on my bed: "Oh I could never have sex with someone I just met". Followed by the 20 minute seduction of a lifetime. And "Ok we can fuck now. Just turn down the lights". Heheheh.

Liz on our very first date and my time is limited so I grab her hand and say “wanna get outta here”. She says “damn ur pretty confident aren’t u!” And I say “yep. Let’s go” and we are fucking 20 mins later.

Kendra a rather fat low end girl (after strip club blue balls I was desperate). We are face to face about to kiss and she says with conviction: "Damn your handsome. I usually have to fuck fat old dudes!" LOL.

I do put in the time to bank memories like this but damn I feel like I live a charmed life sometimes. And the fact that I am still alive after splitting 6.5 bottles of wine and a fifth of vodka last week at my age still amazes me! But I rock on!

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2698095]Peeps,

Going to Argentina later this year.

I haven't read that much here, some people reported paying between $100-200.

This seems high as Argentina economy is very bad right now and seeking has about 1,500 girls on it.

I wonder if people are paying $200 here because the are getting quoted in dollars and because you are foreign?

Has anyone every paid a girl off seeking in pesos?[/QUOTE]There are cheap ones like US $ 20 but that is not what you want so you have to pay for quality. I always paid girls in pesos even after they quoted in USD. It's easy for them to covert to USD without losing money.