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[QUOTE=White Whale]As there are lots of guys getting in loved with BGs etc why no local expat or someone else has started a private investigation office for following are these girls trustworthy?[/QUOTE]At least several guys have tried doing this kind of business in Thailand over the years. I don't think any of them have lasted at it.

Basically there's no need to investigate bargirls, except to confirm that they're doing exactly what you'd expect them to be doing, regardless of the fact that one or more poor sod somewhere thinks he's in love with them.

I know one guy who did this business, and these days much of it can be online. I think the threat of being "killed" is overstated, but obviously a concern. Of course the locals know the lay of the land better, but that is really the whole biz concept. The "investigator" is a Westerner that knows the customer as well as the lay of the land and has inside contacts / info.

Websites like this probably mean such services are less necessary, but you never know.

X

[QUOTE=Christopherd]This comes up on various boards for 3rd world countries and the answers are usually the same.
[i]
Things to consider might include -

What is the going rate to have someone killed (eg a self-styled private investigator who is a pain)[/i]

There are much more fun ways of dancing with suicide.

And it really assumes that local people are so much more stupid/unknowledgeable than foreigners, when usually the opposite of reality. And why should anyone take such a person seriously / pay them when they have no verifiable track record as an investigator? People who fall in love with working girls should weigh up the odds themselves. Bit of a con otherwise.

On the other hand, would it not be kinder just to avoid disillusioning people.

Work and play usually are best kept separate until you are married to / in a partnership with a local. ;)

[i](Am all for discussion of all and anything - but the board is about helping people find paid sex by giving field reports of experiences rather than discussion. I think discussing this might be better suited to a chatroom, don't you?)[/i][/QUOTE]

Diy SPY

I am sure these ideas have been tried so please comment if you have actual experience.

Mr X

The first idea is to set up a separate identity to check these girls out. Have more than one photo of a guy. Give him whole history, even write our a while life story in one page, so you are consistent. Set up Mr x in DIA CB or whatever. And in ymail.

You can actually have two ymail names logged in at the same time. I recently was having two conversations with one woman – under two ID's at the same time! (confused? So was I!) To the real me – she was swearing that she only chatted to me! Case closed?

Trojan Notebook

Another idea is to buy her a notebook. Especially of she asked for one. A basic notebook will cost you $500, a netbook even less. Set it up for her, with all the software she will need and an internet access USB. Also load up spy software.

You can google these. But some will silently email everything she types to you. Including her ymail password, and any chat she has. (any recommendations on the best one to try?)

Nasty? Yes. But if you are considering a private eye. This is no more nasty, it keeps you at arms length for safety reasons, gives you hard evidence AND if she was good, well you got lots of points for buying her a computer.

You will get no points for spending the same money, or more on a Detective agency.

[QUOTE=Radoboy]Diy SPY

I am sure these ideas have been tried so please comment if you have actual experience.

Mr X

The first idea is to set up a separate identity to check these girls out. Have more than one photo of a guy. Give him whole history, even write our a while life story in one page, so you are consistent. Set up Mr x in DIA CB or whatever. And in ymail.

You can actually have two ymail names logged in at the same time. I recently was having two conversations with one woman – under two ID's at the same time! (confused? So was I!) To the real me – she was swearing that she only chatted to me! Case closed?

Trojan Notebook

Another idea is to buy her a notebook. Especially of she asked for one. A basic notebook will cost you $500, a netbook even less. Set it up for her, with all the software she will need and an internet access USB. Also load up spy software.

You can google these. But some will silently email everything she types to you. Including her ymail password, and any chat she has. (any recommendations on the best one to try?)

Nasty? Yes. But if you are considering a private eye. This is no more nasty, it keeps you at arms length for safety reasons, gives you hard evidence AND if she was good, well you got lots of points for buying her a computer.

You will get no points for spending the same money, or more on a Detective agency.[/QUOTE]

I really do not understand the point of all this? If you get attached to a bar girl or even a regular girl and you try to conduct a long distance romance with her, then be prepared to have your fingers burned.

If you travel to the Philippines a few times a year and you have a regular girl that you have a great time with, why spoil the illusion by spying on her and finding out what you should have already known in the first place. Just enjoy your time together and stop worrying what she gets up to when you are not around.

I just cannot see the point in spending $500 and wasting your time and effort to spy on a girl and what will you do when you discover the worst? At least she gets to keep her nice new laptop and you have lost the illusion of love.

The story about the girl on yahoo chating to multiple guys is very old news and is one that you could repeat a million times over in all the internet cafes of South East Asia.

If you fall in love with a girl from the Philippines and conduct a long distance romance then the odds will always be stacked against you, that is just a fact of life. Settle down with the girl and provide her with a proper relationship a home and stability and you will have a very good chance of having a successful relationship. In these circumstances Pinays can make very loving, devoted and faithful partners.

Any guy that regularly sends money to a girl needs to understand right at the outset that it still does not guarantee the girls complete commitment, no matter how much she tells you that she loves you. I have sent money before but did so knowing that she would probably find someone else when I wasn't around. I considered it more of a retainer than anything else, despite the fact that I did genuinely care about her

Thanks Mortman, that is wise advice. And I will take it up.

Some lessons we need to learn the hard way. You have seen it before: "but, but my girl is different"

So I had listened here to advice like yours, but in the end the dual-personality trick saved me "face" pain and a lot of money.

The trojan notebook idea is just a concept – for the gut who wanted to hire a PI anyway.

But the real answer to your question is that some of us are not toughened up. And still "fall in love". Women are the expert manipulator and men the expert fool: since Adam and Eve.

Mortman, you and others here have the wisdom to not be manipulated. Some of us are still learning.

Thanks again for your sage advice.

[QUOTE=Mortman]I really do not understand the point of all this? If you get attached to a bar girl or even a regular girl and you try to conduct a long distance romance with her, then be prepared to have your fingers burned.

If you travel to the Philippines a few times a year and you have a regular girl that you have a great time with, why spoil the illusion by spying on her and finding out what you should have already known in the first place. Just enjoy your time together and stop worrying what she gets up to when you are not around.

I just cannot see the point in spending $500 and wasting your time and effort to spy on a girl and what will you do when you discover the worst? At least she gets to keep her nice new laptop and you have lost the illusion of love.

The story about the girl on yahoo chating to multiple guys is very old news and is one that you could repeat a million times over in all the internet cafes of South East Asia.

If you fall in love with a girl from the Philippines and conduct a long distance romance then the odds will always be stacked against you, that is just a fact of life. Settle down with the girl and provide her with a proper relationship a home and stability and you will have a very good chance of having a successful relationship. In these circumstances Pinays can make very loving, devoted and faithful partners.

Any guy that regularly sends money to a girl needs to understand right at the outset that it still does not guarantee the girls complete commitment, no matter how much she tells you that she loves you. I have sent money before but did so knowing that she would probably find someone else when I wasn't around. I considered it more of a retainer than anything else, despite the fact that I did genuinely care about her[/QUOTE]I agree. My wife is very loving, caring, the whole bit. We have an incredible son. Will be 5 months soon. The ladies there just love him.

I tell the people at work if me and my son were tag team wrestlers we'd be named.

Beauty is as beauty does.

Anyone who spends any time interacting with girls in Phils is going to do alot of texting. The three major mobile operators Smart/talkntext , Globe/TM and Sun all have promo packages which allow unlimited texting generally within network for a fixed daily or multidaily amount.

These are subscribed to by sending various codes to verious subscription numbers. I found this summary of the ofers from Smart and Globe

[url]http://www.symbianize.com/showthread.php?t=171617[/url]

[QUOTE=Radoboy]Diy SPY

I am sure these ideas have been tried so please comment if you have actual experience.

Mr X

The first idea is to set up a separate identity to check these girls out. Have more than one photo of a guy. Give him whole history, even write our a while life story in one page, so you are consistent. Set up Mr x in DIA CB or whatever. And in ymail.

You can actually have two ymail names logged in at the same time. I recently was having two conversations with one woman – under two ID's at the same time! (confused? So was I!) To the real me – she was swearing that she only chatted to me! Case closed?

Trojan Notebook

Another idea is to buy her a notebook. Especially of she asked for one. A basic notebook will cost you $500, a netbook even less. Set it up for her, with all the software she will need and an internet access USB. Also load up spy software.

You can google these. But some will silently email everything she types to you. Including her ymail password, and any chat she has. (any recommendations on the best one to try?)

Nasty? Yes. But if you are considering a private eye. This is no more nasty, it keeps you at arms length for safety reasons, gives you hard evidence AND if she was good, well you got lots of points for buying her a computer.

You will get no points for spending the same money, or more on a Detective agency.[/QUOTE]


Come on, man. You're going thorough all this shit to spy on someone? If you don't trust her, don't be in a "relationship".

Unless you live in the Philippines, the ladies are there to provide short-term companionship -- whether it's for sex or a short-time fling. THAT IS IT.

I live in the US. I find "relationship" type girls in the US. But for a release, I go to the Philippines. Ironically, I find having a short-term fling in the Philippines is great for my real relationships back home. It's great knowing I have someone to go, even for a short while, to get my fantacizes fulfilled. It makes mundane life back in the US way more tolerable.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]Anyone who spends any time interacting with girls in Phils is going to do alot of texting. The three major mobile operators Smart/talkntext , Globe/TM and Sun all have promo packages which allow unlimited texting generally within network for a fixed daily or multidaily amount.

These are subscribed to by sending various codes to verious subscription numbers. I found this summary of the ofers from Smart and Globe

[url]http://www.symbianize.com/showthread.php?t=171617[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks, very useful info. Guys use the above info, if you plan to stay longer in PH and date many girls, else be ready to burn 1000's of pesos just for texting and calling to fix a date.

Hey All,

I'm headed to PH soon for about a month. I'll probably spend time in Cebu, Manila, and a few beach / resort places. I'd appreciate some guidance / responses to the following questions from experienced PH mongers.

I've been to PH only once, for one week in 2008. I did only two chicks: one from LA Cafe (a cutie) and one from the street in Boracay. I made the stupid mistake of going to Boracay alone, thinking there'd be a lot of talent for hire there: WRONG! I loved Boracay, but it is NOT a place to go alone.

I'm American, 50ish but look 40ish (I can pass for mid-30's in Asia). I've lived in Asia much of my adult life, and I've generally picked up girls in whatever country I'm in, and gotten sex for free. I prefer non-WG's to WG's. It's not a financial thing. It's just more my style to go with non-pro's. On the other hand, I'm as depraved as the next monger, and, ideally, want to be 3-holing and doing A2M, CIM, spanking, etc. With every chick.

My ideal / fantasy is that I could meet some 18. 20 year old via DIA or other site, who is relatively inexperienced sexually and not a WG, and have her submit to my full sexual menu of needs within a day or two. If I entice the girl with some economic reward / daily allowance and the prospect of spending time with me in a nice resort, good meals, etc., is my fantasy likely to be realized, I. E., some young, inexperienced non-WG from the provinces agreeing to doing 3-hole, CIM, A2M, etc. Within a day or two of meeting? Or is this likely to be an unattainable fantasy, in which case I should either lower my sexual expectations for a young non-WG from the provinces, or just pay for a pro who will agree in advance to accommodate my specific sexual neeeds?

In PH, I got the impression that there is a vibrant market segment of semi-pro's, e. G., the underpaid office worker / store clerk or the college student needing some cash to cover school expenses. Maybe a semi-pro is the best option for me?

Many guys have posted here about chicks they've met through DIA showing up for the first meeting with a friend, mother, aunt, who have come on a bus from the provinces. It isn't clear to me, when the young chick shows up to meet me in a shopping mall with her mother/aunt, does the mother fully realize that our interest is in having sex with her daughter almost immediately, with a very low probability of it turning into an ongoing relationship or marriage? Or do they expect (or delude themselves) that it is a meeting primarily oriented toward potential marriage? Tactically, how does one handle the guardian? Do you just give the mother a few hundred pesos for lunch and her bus ride back to the provinces, while promising you'll send her daughter home safely within 1. 10 days? Do you tell the mother to hang out in the mall for a few hours while you take her daughter back to your hotel for a test ride? Do the girls themselves understand we're meeting with them primarily for sex, and they're ready to go back to our hotel after lunch, or do many of them expect non-sexual meetings?

I also wonder if anyone has had any bad experiences of some young provincial girl or semi-pro becoming a clinger, or parents or a brother showing up at your hotel complaining because you screwed their daughter / sister for a week and then sent her back home?

Apologies for my verbose post and ignorant questions as a relative newbie to PH mongering.

Thanks in advance for your helpful insights.

[QUOTE=Genkisugiru]Hey All,

I'm headed to PH soon for about a month. I'll probably spend time in Cebu, Manila, and a few beach / resort places. I'd appreciate some guidance / responses to the following questions from experienced PH mongers.

I've been to PH only once, for one week in 2008. I did only two chicks: one from LA Cafe (a cutie) and one from the street in Boracay. I made the stupid mistake of going to Boracay alone, thinking there'd be a lot of talent for hire there: WRONG! I loved Boracay, but it is NOT a place to go alone.

I'm American, 50ish but look 40ish (I can pass for mid-30's in Asia). I've lived in Asia much of my adult life, and I've generally picked up girls in whatever country I'm in, and gotten sex for free. I prefer non-WG's to WG's. It's not a financial thing. It's just more my style to go with non-pro's. On the other hand, I'm as depraved as the next monger, and, ideally, want to be 3-holing and doing A2M, CIM, spanking, etc. With every chick.

My ideal / fantasy is that I could meet some 18. 20 year old via DIA or other site, who is relatively inexperienced sexually and not a WG, and have her submit to my full sexual menu of needs within a day or two. If I entice the girl with some economic reward / daily allowance and the prospect of spending time with me in a nice resort, good meals, etc., is my fantasy likely to be realized, I. E., some young, inexperienced non-WG from the provinces agreeing to doing 3-hole, CIM, A2M, etc. Within a day or two of meeting? Or is this likely to be an unattainable fantasy, in which case I should either lower my sexual expectations for a young non-WG from the provinces, or just pay for a pro who will agree in advance to accommodate my specific sexual neeeds?

In PH, I got the impression that there is a vibrant market segment of semi-pro's, e. G., the underpaid office worker / store clerk or the college student needing some cash to cover school expenses. Maybe a semi-pro is the best option for me?

Many guys have posted here about chicks they've met through DIA showing up for the first meeting with a friend, mother, aunt, who have come on a bus from the provinces. It isn't clear to me, when the young chick shows up to meet me in a shopping mall with her mother/aunt, does the mother fully realize that our interest is in having sex with her daughter almost immediately, with a very low probability of it turning into an ongoing relationship or marriage? Or do they expect (or delude themselves) that it is a meeting primarily oriented toward potential marriage? Tactically, how does one handle the guardian? Do you just give the mother a few hundred pesos for lunch and her bus ride back to the provinces, while promising you'll send her daughter home safely within 1. 10 days? Do you tell the mother to hang out in the mall for a few hours while you take her daughter back to your hotel for a test ride? Do the girls themselves understand we're meeting with them primarily for sex, and they're ready to go back to our hotel after lunch, or do many of them expect non-sexual meetings?

I also wonder if anyone has had any bad experiences of some young provincial girl or semi-pro becoming a clinger, or parents or a brother showing up at your hotel complaining because you screwed their daughter / sister for a week and then sent her back home?

Apologies for my verbose post and ignorant questions as a relative newbie to PH mongering.

Thanks in advance for your helpful insights.[/QUOTE]

I am a seasoned and experienced DIA hunter and as you have already recognised it has different types of girls posting adverts. You get the whole spectrum of girls on DIA, from regular pros, semi pros and cam girls to regular girls looking for a foreign boyfriend or husband but willing to regularly fall on their sword in order to acheive this aim. In amongst all of this, there is also a percentage of virgins or women not willing to compromise and looking to meet one person, but thankfully this percentage is on the relatvely low side.

In my experience if you arrange to meet a DIA girl, virtually all of them will bring a friend or chaperone, sometimes it will be a mother, older sister or auntie. The latter tends to happen more if you want to date an inexperienced younger girl, who may be in her late teens or early 20s. Filipinas are naturally shy and reserved and it is perfectly natural for them to bring some kind of chaperone along.

If you are meeting lots of DIA contacts then be prepared to be firm with the girls otherwise you will get taken for a ride and it could soon end up costing you a small fortune. Some will turn up with whole families, declaring how hungry they all are (happened to me) and most if not all will expect you to buy them ice cream or coffee whilst you chat to them and break the ice. You need to be very firm and tell them you will only meet them if they bring no more than one friend or relative and even then some girls will still not get the message. Where the girl brings a companion and you want to get rid of the third party then just tell her you want to spend time alone with her. A 100 peso note to her companion will normally cover the cost of her jeepney rides back home whilst you take your girl off back to the hotel.

At one point I was seriously beginning to think it would work out cheaper if I invested in my own coffee shop in the centre of Cebu City, I must have spent thousands of pesos over the years in this manner.

If they turn up with a family member in tow, please do not even mention sex, that will be your immediate downfall. If they turn up with a family member it usually means that mom or dad wants to get the measure of you before they let you loose on their daughter. They will want to satisfy themselves that your intentions are serious or that at least there is some illusion that your intentions are serious. Yes there are also some girls who will expect non sexual encounters but you need to address these issues in a subtle way on line with the girls before you meet them in person.

Sounds peverse I know but money is the true motivator behind most of these situations, even where the girls DIA ad says they are looking for a husband and commitment (roughly translated that means "take me out of this shit hole and support me and my family"). Some will ask outright if you are willing to take care of their daughter, others will be much more subtle. I know you have mentioned having lots of free sex before but virtually every girl you meet in the Philippines will expect some sort of payment, do not kid yourself just because they do not ask you outright for money. You need to remember that the P4P scene in the Philippines is quite different from what you will encounter in other parts of South East Asia and the Pinays reluctance to ask for money is one of those differences. They have what you want and you have what they desperately need. In the situations where mom, dad or other family members are present, I would steer clear of making your short time intentions obvious if that is your aim and at least give the impression you are looking for a long term gf. However in an ideal world you will have discussed this with the girl on line before your meeting.

Some girls will turn up with one or two friends and very often you will find that their friend is willing and able to come along also, so you can end up with a threesome unexpectedly sometimes, though these tend on the whole to be the semi pros.

If you are willing to invest a lot of time on DIA it can reap huge dividends. My advice is to spend time chatting to get to know the girl on line first in an innocuous way and then slowly introduce what it is you are looking for.
For example if the girl is clearly a non pro, just suggest that you are not quite ready to settle down yet but that you are looking for some companionship and fun. Most girls will go along with this, after all it is an opportunity to supplement their meagre income whilst still being in the market for a boyfriend or husband. If your tastes run to threesomes, anal or hanging off the ceiling with a vibrator up your ass then don't be afraid to introduce these into the conversation, but spend time cultivating her before doing so. You may be surprised how open minded some of these girls can be, even the non pros, if you treat them with respect and approach the subject discreetly and subtly.

The point about mom or dad turning up at hotel is very unlikely to happen if you treat the girl with some dignity and respect. Give her some money, (which will invariably end up back in the pocket of mom or dad) )tell her you have to leave for business or work but that you will stay in touch with her and buy her a small gift. Even if you fuck her senseless every day for a whole week, very few parents would ever dream of turning up and creating a scene if you treat their daughter with respect.

Good luck, don't forget to post your experiences and do not worry about your age at all. In most cases this does not even come into the equation and all ages from 18 to 80 will be within your grasp. DIA is like shooting fish in a barrel but be prepared to do your groundwork first on line. Remember what they say about assumption being the mother of all **** ups, well this holds equally true on DIA. Talk to the girls get to know them and find out what their expectations are before you invest time meeting them

Mortman,

I am very grateful for your thoughtful, detailed response that addresses all the issues and questions I'd raised. Your experience and insights that you've selflessly shared in this post and others are extremely helpful to me and others. Thank you very much!

I am impressed by your emphasis on treating women with respect and dignity. Rest assured, I treat women well, and I totally appreciate the importance of meeting the girls' economic needs. For 1-nighters, I'll typically treat the girl to a very nice dinner, a nice brunch the next day, and give her 2 to 3K pesos or whatever. I'm also respectful and sensitive about giving money discretely, in a low-key manner, as "taxi money". And for girls who become travel companions, they definitely get to have a memorable week with me that is probably a highlight of their life, and some money in their pocket to help their family.

I also have no problem meeting with chaperones and assuring them their daughter / niece will be safe and well-taken care of by me. Because it's the truth.

For a few reasons, I'm somewhat uncomfortable with discussing explicit sexual details ahead of time. Firstly, I find it challenging trying to maintain the veneer of respectability and the illusion of there being potential for a longer-term relationship, while, on the other hand, telling a chick before you've ever even met her that you want anal, CIM, A2M, etc. I have few qualms discussing such details with a hardcore pro I'm taking out of a bar. But I have some reluctance being as explicit with semi-pro's, and even more so with young amateurs. Maybe it's my niavite about PH mongering, but I assume that 95% or more of 18. 20 year old amateurs are going to say no to anal if asked explicitly upfront, whereas they could probably be convinced to try it after a couple of nights. Of course, then the issue becomes whether or not I want to invest the time and effort convincing relatively inexperienced amateurs to try new things.

Secondly, being explicit about my sexual wants upfront has almost never worked for me during my many years living in Japan. Obviously, JP and PH are very different. Chicks in JP are certainly not economically impoverished as in PH. The incentive for sex in JP is usually that the girl likes sex. My natural communication style was to ask chicks upfront about anal (no pun intended). This very American approach NEVER worked in JP. Every girl in Japan, if asked, will say that she won't do anal, tried it and hated it, is too scared to try it, etc. I finally learned to not mention it at all. I'd have vaginal and oral sex with the chick for a few dates, making sure she was extremely satisfied with my performance, and then go for anal after several dates. More than half of chicks opened the back door for me if I took this non-verbal, "just go for it" approach. (I even had several chicks tell me, "Don't ask me, just get me drunk and do it"!)

Not sure I want to take the time, but it might be interesting to experiment in PH, being verbally explicit with a few chicks upfront, more impllcit with another few, and not verbalizing anything to others, but trying to evolve them into sexual depravity over a couple of nights. Of course, there's always the option of turning to a pro to make sure my special needs are fulfilled. It's nice to have options.

G
I think you are spot on about not opening up to the non pros straight away and I totally agree that if you cultivate them slowly, treat them well, many will accept sexual adventures beyong their normal boundaries. My tastes are probably quite conservative though I have experimented with most (hetrosexual) things over the years. I have often found non or semi pros to be fairly receptive to suggestions such as threesomes and anal when chatting on line, but to be fair only after investing a lot of time chatting to them beforehand and ensuring I have gained their full trust and confidence. To come out with these things any sooner would have blown my chances out of the water completely. Hope you get a chance on your second visit to get out of Manila and explore some of the other places, most of which are teeming with game and waiting to be hunted. Also a lot less polluted, less hassle and cheaper P4P. When I read about what some of the guys in Manila are paying for P4P it makes my eyes water, mind you my trips are all self funded with no expense account to rely on sadly........Ahh only another 5 weeks to go before I am back in my favourite hunting grounds

[QUOTE=Genkisugiru]Mortman,

I am very grateful for your thoughtful, detailed response that addresses all the issues and questions I'd raised. Your experience and insights that you've selflessly shared in this post and others are extremely helpful to me and others. Thank you very much!

I am impressed by your emphasis on treating women with respect and dignity. Rest assured, I treat women well, and I totally appreciate the importance of meeting the girls' economic needs. For 1-nighters, I'll typically treat the girl to a very nice dinner, a nice brunch the next day, and give her 2 to 3K pesos or whatever. I'm also respectful and sensitive about giving money discretely, in a low-key manner, as "taxi money". And for girls who become travel companions, they definitely get to have a memorable week with me that is probably a highlight of their life, and some money in their pocket to help their family.

I also have no problem meeting with chaperones and assuring them their daughter / niece will be safe and well-taken care of by me. Because it's the truth.

For a few reasons, I'm somewhat uncomfortable with discussing explicit sexual details ahead of time. Firstly, I find it challenging trying to maintain the veneer of respectability and the illusion of there being potential for a longer-term relationship, while, on the other hand, telling a chick before you've ever even met her that you want anal, CIM, A2M, etc. I have few qualms discussing such details with a hardcore pro I'm taking out of a bar. But I have some reluctance being as explicit with semi-pro's, and even more so with young amateurs. Maybe it's my niavite about PH mongering, but I assume that 95% or more of 18. 20 year old amateurs are going to say no to anal if asked explicitly upfront, whereas they could probably be convinced to try it after a couple of nights. Of course, then the issue becomes whether or not I want to invest the time and effort convincing relatively inexperienced amateurs to try new things.

Secondly, being explicit about my sexual wants upfront has almost never worked for me during my many years living in Japan. Obviously, JP and PH are very different. Chicks in JP are certainly not economically impoverished as in PH. The incentive for sex in JP is usually that the girl likes sex. My natural communication style was to ask chicks upfront about anal (no pun intended). This very American approach NEVER worked in JP. Every girl in Japan, if asked, will say that she won't do anal, tried it and hated it, is too scared to try it, etc. I finally learned to not mention it at all. I'd have vaginal and oral sex with the chick for a few dates, making sure she was extremely satisfied with my performance, and then go for anal after several dates. More than half of chicks opened the back door for me if I took this non-verbal, "just go for it" approach. (I even had several chicks tell me, "Don't ask me, just get me drunk and do it"!)

Not sure I want to take the time, but it might be interesting to experiment in PH, being verbally explicit with a few chicks upfront, more impllcit with another few, and not verbalizing anything to others, but trying to evolve them into sexual depravity over a couple of nights. Of course, there's always the option of turning to a pro to make sure my special needs are fulfilled. It's nice to have options.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mortman]G

I think you are spot on about not opening up to the non pros straight away and I totally agree that if you cultivate them slowly, treat them well, many will accept sexual adventures beyong their normal boundaries. My tastes are probably quite conservative though I have experimented with most (hetrosexual) things over the years. I have often found non or semi pros to be fairly receptive to suggestions such as threesomes and anal when chatting on line, but to be fair only after investing a lot of time chatting to them beforehand and ensuring I have gained their full trust and confidence. To come out with these things any sooner would have blown my chances out of the water completely. Hope you get a chance on your second visit to get out of Manila and explore some of the other places, most of which are teeming with game and waiting to be hunted. Also a lot less polluted, less hassle and cheaper P4P. When I read about what some of the guys in Manila are paying for P4P it makes my eyes water, mind you my trips are all self funded with no expense account to rely on sadly........Ahh only another 5 weeks to go before I am back in my favourite hunting grounds[/QUOTE]Hey M,

Thanks again. I appreciate your confirmation on these points. It's good to know that my lessons learned in other countries are largely relevant to PH as well. Of course, things are easier in PH than JP due to girls' economic situations. (On the other hand, in JP, girls tend to just like sex. It's not a coincidence that I've lived much of my adult life there!)

On my one previous PH trip, I only spent 2 - 3 nights in Manila and 5 - 6 nights in Boracay. This time I definitely want to go to Cebu, and probably 3 - 4 different venues in all.

I totally understand the girls' financial needs, and I want to treat them well and compensate them fairly for their companionship and services. But I agree with you that the Manila P4P rates seem way too high. When I was there in the summer of 2008, LA Cafe girls were getting at least 1500 for ST and 2000 - 2500 (US $44 - $55) or more for overnight. Based upon any benchmark (GDP, per capita income, what girls in shops, factories, and offices earn) these P4P rates seem high. I got the impression that Japanese and, more recently, Koreans had contributed to price inflation for WG's in PH. It's ironic that almost every guy reading these forums is probably less well-off economically than we were a few years ago, with deflation decimating our businesses, incomes, and investment portfolios, yet the price of P4P in PH, especially Manila, has increased considerably over the past few years.

I sense cartel-like pricing in Manila, at least in the popular foreign monger venues. If true supply and demand principles were working, you'd think rates would be about 500 ST and 1000 pesos LT.

I'm a fortunate guy, pretty comfortable financially, but considering airfare to PH, plus staying in decent accommodations and eating good food, and paying for a companion, it all adds up quickly.

One big hole in my sex life to date (pardon the bad pun) has been a near total lack of 3-way action. I want to make 3-way a key objective on my upcoming PH trip. This is all the more reason to go to locations other than Manila, where I can likely get 2 girls for 2500 per day total.

I think we'll be in PH the same time. Perhaps our paths will cross. Best.

Guys,

What's the bottom line on Cebu Pacific? Is it a good idea to book flights with them or not?

I am planning my first trip to PI. It would sure be convenient to fly straight into AC from Macau, but not if there is a good chance of things getting messed up (cancelled flights or lost reservations).

Thanks