American Politics

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2568293]When FUX News Channel can't even find enough vaguely damning evidence in those emails to spin a phony outrage out of nothing, you know with absolute certainty there is nothing there.
[/QUOTE]Chris Wallace is part of the fake news establishment who happens to have a weekend show at Fox. Not quite sure why he is there; he would be more at home at CNN, with an audience consisting of people watching at airports with the sound turned down. The proper Fox hosts, whom people actually watch voluntarily, have gone into detail with regard to Fauci's falsehoods, as has Senator Rand Paul.

The fact that the fake news have refused to publicise Fauci's lies and criminality doesn't mean it didn't happen. Quite the contrary, as with Hunter's laptop, and indeed the Israeli destruction of the USS Liberty.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568395]The fact that lots of people watch, and believe, Carlson blablabla[/QUOTE]More ad hominem rubbish, and no answers to the points raised about Fauci's falsehoods, involvement in funding the development of the virus, and trying to cover his ass afterward.

President Trump just posted it perfectly, as usual:

"Have you noticed that they are now admitting I was right about everything they lied about before the election?

Hydroxychloroquine works.

The Virus came from a Chinese lab.

Hunter Biden's laptop was real.

Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op.

The "Russian Bounties" story was fake.

We did produce vaccines before the end of 2020, in record time.

Blue state lockdowns didn't work.

Schools should be opened.

Critical Race Theory is a disaster for our schools and our Country.

Our Southern Border security program was unprecedentedly successful".

Trump 10 - Fake News Deep State Dems 0.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568244]No, the timelines of the emails show that what he was saying privately and publicly at the same time were entirely different.

But much more important than the mask lies is his funding of exactly the gain of function research that created the virus, and his attempts to cover it up. The frantic emails to his co-conspirators to try to throw off the scent; and his claims that he was certain it was naturally occurring, when his emails showed he had already been told by multiple scientists that it was almost certainly artificially created in a lab.

If Roger Stone can be convicted for forgetting some dates, Fauci needs to rot in supermax for the rest of his life for the illegal gain of function supervirus research he funded and the wilful disinformation and cover-up he undertook toward the American people, which cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars.[/QUOTE]Great post, Chris P. I agree 100%. You would think that the liberals and leftists, who are supposed to value human life so much more than conservatives, would be furious with Fauci.

But no matter what Fauci says or does, the Dems publicly support him. In private though, I think they are going to oust him and give him a hero's send off when he should be in jail.

As I migrate away from what conservatism in America is becoming and reluctantly embracing some of Democrat policies (overemphasis on social messaging keeps that at bay), I'm glad to see some of the Biden stance on international relations.

Biden presses G-7 to take firmer stance against China - [URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/558123-biden-to-press-g7-to-call-out-chinas-forced-labor-practices[/URL].

What I like about this message is the idea of "outcompeting" China despite their scrupulous business practices. The previous administration's strategy of painting China as the "enemy" always sounded like the sour grapes of a kid complaining about the other team cheating. It created an air of warmongering that was off-putting to me. While I have little regard for China's domestic policies and even their culture, I do respect the efficacy of their One Belt One Road strategy of investing in poor nations in order to expand their sphere of influence. In response, I believe that outcompeting them is the strategy of champions, rather than the venomous-borderline warmongering strategy. But we can't do it by ourselves. China's neighbors already dislike them. If the Europeans stay firmly on board, sacrificing some short term benefits of dealing with China, the CCP will be limited in how fast they can grow.

Just my two cents of how to approach the troubling problem of containing China's reach into what has traditionally been our strongholds.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568454]HCQ has been shown in recent studies to be effective. And who the hell knows what the latest "official" li (n) e is. They change it all the time: first they said it couldn't be transferred human to human; then they said fatality rates could be as high as 5% (actually it's 0. 1% then they said masks were ineffective, then they said they were effective, now we're finding out they were always ineffective; and of course they claimed that it was naturally occurring and pure coincidence that it originated next door to the Wuhan Virology Institute (LOL) which we are now finding was yet another official falsehood. Basically the WHO is the mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party.

[b]But the real story here is that a United States Senator has been censored.[/b] The idea that any American should have their First Amendment rights violated for questioning the "official narrative" of anything is disgraceful, but the fact Big Tech / Deep State feels free to do so to elected representatives is an abomination which cannot go unaddressed if this country is to remain free.[/QUOTE]Yes, Liz Cheney was censored. By Republikkkans.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568478]President Trump just posted it perfectly, as usual:

"Have you noticed that they are now admitting I was right about everything they lied about before the election?

Hydroxychloroquine works.

The Virus came from a Chinese lab.

Hunter Biden's laptop was real.

Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op.

The "Russian Bounties" story was fake.

We did produce vaccines before the end of 2020, in record time.

Blue state lockdowns didn't work.

Schools should be opened.

Critical Race Theory is a disaster for our schools and our Country.

Our Southern Border security program was unprecedentedly successful".

Trump 10 - Fake News Deep State Dems 0.[/QUOTE]Great post and I don't think anyone can argue against it. They can just ignore it like the fake news does. Amazing that these issues were called Trump lies and now there are proven true to the dismay of the socialists.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568559]Yes, Liz Cheney was censored. By Republikkkans.[/QUOTE]If you cannot understand the difference between being removed from a position in a political party by elected representatives of that party, and being censored by social media companies used by the majority of Americans which have benefited from Section 230 privileges specifically designating them a platform not a publisher to become the modern-day public square, then you are an even bigger cretin than I thought.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568454]HCQ has been shown in recent studies to be effective. And who the hell knows what the latest "official" li (n) e is. They change it all the time: first they said it couldn't be transferred human to human; then [b]they said fatality rates could be as high as 5% (actually it's 0. 1% [/b]then they said masks were ineffective, then they said they were effective, now we're finding out they were always ineffective; and of course they claimed that it was naturally occurring and pure coincidence that it originated next door to the Wuhan Virology Institute (LOL) which we are now finding was yet another official falsehood. Basically the WHO is the mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party.

But the real story here is that a United States Senator has been censored. The idea that any American should have their First Amendment rights violated for questioning the "official narrative" of anything is disgraceful, but the fact Big Tech / Deep State feels free to do so to elected representatives is an abomination which cannot go unaddressed if this country is to remain free.[/QUOTE]No wonder "trickle down economics" don't work. Republikkkans can't do math. 3.8 million deaths out of 176.4 million cases is a fatality rate (worldwide) of 2. 15%. [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?[/URL].

Just because Republikkkans are too ignorant to wear a mask doesn't mean that everyone is. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/cloth-mask-is-a-powerful-weapon-against-coronavirus-224321477.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568456]The fact that the fake news have refused to publicise Fauci's lies and criminality doesn't mean it didn't happen..[/QUOTE]Mr. Q and what's about the 600 000 dead from a non existing Virus?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568283]Yet again an ad hominem attack and evasion of the question.

If any other country had launched a sustained air assault upon a US warship leaving many dead, would America have simply accepted an "apology" and gone on to send them billions of taxpayer dollars and cutting edge military technology? Would the US media have completely blocked all coverage of the event? Yes or no answer will do to start, then if you really want to get a nosebleed you could try and answer the question "why?[/QUOTE]The problem with your assessment is this.

You and Golfinho are liars.

Liberty was a tragic mistake. Nothing more, nothing less.

Every sane person knows it was a mistake. After a detailed and thorough investigation by the USA And Israeli governments it was established beyond any doubt, even unreasonable, that USS Libery was mistaken for an Egyptian ship.

Only a complete moron and / or rabid anti-Semite can spread the idiotic idea that Israel (during the war, mind you) would've [B]knowingly[/B] attacked a ship of their only true ally in the whole wide world. And then, mind you, pay multimillion dollar compensation and damages. Yeah, totally plausible, why the fuck not.

This is on the same level as denying Holocaust. You must be genuinely sick to believe such nonsense or really, really sick spreading the lies while not believing in it.

But it's up to you. If you admit that you and Golfinho are complete and utter morons, well, OK then. I might believe you aren't liars, just morons.

However, if you deny that you and Golfinho are complete and utter morons, then the conclusion is inevitable. You are liars and rabid anti-Semites. This is a fact. And stating a fact is not an ad hominem attack, it's just stating a fact.

If you don't want to be called a liar, don't lie. If you don't want to be called an anti-Semite don't spread anti-Semitic bullshit.

Easy-peasy, really.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2568660]The problem with your assessment is this.

You and Golfinho are liars.

Liberty was a tragic mistake. Nothing more, nothing less.

[b]Every sane person knows it was a mistake.[/b] After a detailed and thorough investigation by the USA And Israeli governments it was established beyond any doubt, even unreasonable, that USS Libery was mistaken for an Egyptian ship.

Only a complete moron and / or rabid anti-Semite can spread the idiotic idea that Israel (during the war, mind you) would've [B]knowingly[/B] attacked a ship of their only true ally in the whole wide world. And then, mind you, pay multimillion dollar compensation and damages. Yeah, totally plausible, why the fuck not.

This is on the same level as denying Holocaust. You must be genuinely sick to believe such nonsense or really, really sick spreading the lies while not believing in it.

But it's up to you. If you admit that you and Golfinho are complete and utter morons, well, OK then. I might believe you aren't liars, just morons..[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, "every sane person" leaves out the majority of trump supporters.

Any person who believes that the COVID vaccine changes your DNA or that the orange fruitcake won the election or that COVID has a 0.1% fatality rate, etc, is, by definition, insane. They live in their own little fantasy world where up is down, morning is night, trump never told a lie, tucker Carlson tells the truth and proof is what they say it is.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568717]Unfortunately, "every sane person" leaves out the majority of trump supporters. Any person who believes that the COVID vaccine changes your DNA or that the orange fruitcake won the election or that COVID has a 0.1% fatality rate, etc, is, by definition, insane. They live in their own little fantasy world.[/QUOTE]You're living in your own little fantasy world if you equate an understanding of the attack on the Liberty with supporting Trump or opposing covid vaccinations. A reflection of your mentality as absurd as equating objections to Isreali double-standards and crimes with anti-semitism.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568478]President Trump just posted it perfectly, as usual:

"Have you noticed that they are now admitting I was right about everything they lied about before the election?

Hydroxychloroquine works.

The Virus came from a Chinese lab.

Hunter Biden's laptop was real.

Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op.[/QUOTE]Hydroxychloroquine works. This is, of course, complete bullshit. See [URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2016638[/URL] and [URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370[/URL](20) 30389-8/ fulltext.

The Virus came from a Chinese lab. This is far from a proven fact. Plus, trump claimed the release was dejliberate. [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/06/18/trump-suggests-china-may-have-intentionally-allowed-coronavirus-to-spread/?sh=8b733f233f1c[/URL].

Hunter Biden's laptop was real. And even Fux News couldn't make much out of it.

Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op. And this comes out after HOW MANY months? If this was REALLY true, the relevant parties would have shown proof immediately. I wonder who got paid off?

The "Russian Bounties" story was fake. Bad intel. [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/politics/russian-bounties-afghanistan-intelligence.html[/URL].

We did produce vaccines before the end of 2020, in record time. And how many idiot republikkkans won't get vaccinated because the vaccine alters your DNA, contains microchips, magnetizes you, etc? Dumb, dumber, dumbest [URL]https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/03/10386020/republican-men-against-covid-vaccine-anti-vaxxers[/URL].

Blue state lockdowns didn't work. BS. [URL]https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-03-10/2021-california-covid-economic-recovery-outpaces-us[/URL] And besides, it is the CONSUMERS who control the reopening anyway [URL]https://www.idahostatejournal.com/coronavirus/i-will-not-die-of-stupid/article_d1a0aac9-f8be-5e93-9bcf-a2ad0ef34ea0.html[/URL].

Schools should be opened. Sure. But not the expense of children or teachers.

Critical Race Theory is a disaster for our schools and our Country. Critical Race Theory is a disaster for racists, white supremacists and republikkkans. [URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/05/gops-critical-race-theory-fixation-explained/618828/[/URL].

Our Southern Border security program was unprecedentedly successful". So was trump's.

Trump 10 - Fake News Deep State Dems 0. Trump got kicked to the curb. Unfortunately, republicans still exist. But everybody knows they are liars anyway.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2568540]As I migrate away from what conservatism in America is becoming and reluctantly embracing some of Democrat policies (overemphasis on social messaging keeps that at bay), I'm glad to see some of the Biden stance on international relations.

Biden presses G-7 to take firmer stance against China - [URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/558123-biden-to-press-g7-to-call-out-chinas-forced-labor-practices[/URL].

What I like about this message is the idea of "outcompeting" China despite their scrupulous business practices. The previous administration's strategy of painting China as the "enemy" always sounded like the sour grapes of a kid complaining about the other team cheating. It created an air of warmongering that was off-putting to me. While I have little regard for China's domestic policies and even their culture, I do respect the efficacy of their One Belt One Road strategy of investing in poor nations in order to expand their sphere of influence. In response, I believe that outcompeting them is the strategy of champions, rather than the venomous-borderline warmongering strategy. But we can't do it by ourselves. China's neighbors already dislike them. If the Europeans stay firmly on board, sacrificing some short term benefits of dealing with China, the CCP will be limited in how fast they can grow.

Just my two cents of how to approach the troubling problem of containing China's reach into what has traditionally been our strongholds.[/QUOTE]I agree. And I submit Biden has a better plan in every way than the former guy.

Not that Trump had a plan at all with regard to China other than to frame them as the "Yellow Menace" out of one side of his mouth to thrill his lamebrain base while lying in perfect sync with Xi out of the other side of his mouth about the known (to him) threat and risk of the spread of the coronavirus to the point of triggering a Pandemic that could have been avoided if an honorable POTUS with real concern about American lives and the economy had been in that position at the time. His only focused goal with China appears to have been to beg them to "Make sure I win." lol. He lost that negotiation, too.

History will forever show that Trump was the wrong person in the wrong job at the wrong time and, not surprisingly, tragically wrong about everything important. As was easily predictable by anyone paying attention.