Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1833391]Its not about making you care. Its explaining that a girl who has has made less than 2 bucks from a 50 Baht drink commission is not yet highly motivated.

If she concludes the guy just wanted a feel up, and is not going to BF her, she may not stay very long, also depending on the level of chemistry or fun between the two of them.

Girls become well aware of cheap Charlies in the bar and the better customers. Popular Girls in high demand may have multiple guys concurrently seeking her to sit with them. She is going to choose the best option. I don't see any scamming behavior from Ging but have noticed her looking frustrated with some customers and have heard her make the odd comment about preferring a customer who will BF her and treat her nicely so she can make some proper money. She is so popular she can choose between multiple guys requesting her presence. The reason is cute, good body, big naturals, bubbly personality. When I first met her, she was a bit hard to get to, but now she is a good chance to come to me having BFed her 3 or 4 times, and she knows I am good for more than 1 drink should I not be BFing.

Once a girl has a good customer to go to, it takes the pressure off her and she can relax better, have fun, chat and joke to customer and her friends. If I want the ongoing presence of a girl, obviously I consider what motivates her to stay with me.

Last time number 5 came to me and I was willing to buy her 1 drink. However while she had a good body her face was irdinary. Soon she was asking fir a tip pleading no money. That was too fast. I did not like her behavior. Hence I did not call her back again. I lost interest. Entertained a different girl. Actually did nit BF anyone in the end. No one was good enough. Favourites absent.

I am not shy to move on to a different girl when the chemistry is poor or I just don't want to fuck a girl. Girl is also free to leave me if a better customer opportunity is available. I do expect her to stay at least 10 to 15 minutes if I buy her a drink though, unless its clear I have lost interest already.

Yes buying a girl a drink is just an act of generosity. It is not a contract to stay with her for a long period of time. It is known I like multiple girls and could buy a drink for more than one. Could be concurrently or serially. I don't show any interest in girls that arrive to me un called for. I prefer to choose who I am entertained by. Ocassionally make an exception for a friend of a girl if I really like the friend. Once Noi introduced me to her stunning friend Paeng. Paeng was too hot to let go. Later BFed Paeng and enjoyed.

If I have got bored with a girl, I don't have to leave and go to another bar. Just stop buying any drinks for the girl. She will get the message.

It is always clear to waitress who I am buying a drink for. Hand movements. Nod of the head. I just point at the recipients. Signals can do it all even if language and noise problems.

I don't really see that the best girls are fixated on Koreans and Japanese. Any good customer treating them well will do. I am Farang and do not feel discriminated against. O.K. Its known some girls are dick scared and prefer Asian size. However they could still look for a drink from Farang. Naturally my favourites are not dick scared girls.[/QUOTE]Reading this just makes me realize even more why I dislike how the GoGo game has to be played these days. Sure is a lot of effort.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1833391]I don't really see that the best girls are fixated on Koreans and Japanese. Any good customer treating them well will do. I am Farang and do not feel discriminated against. O.K. Its known some girls are dick scared and prefer Asian size. However they could still look for a drink from Farang. Naturally my favourites are not dick scared girls.[/QUOTE]So who is fixated on the Ks and Js? LOL The ugly BGs? LOL, and don't say me, LOL! I just want a fair shot at what's on display and I'm not getting it at the CH, Rainbow, etc.

I don't have your experience but I do have an unbiased opinion. When I visit top gogos like CH or Rainbow 4 in BKK, or top gogos in Patts, to gogos in Cebu or AC, more times than not there are a few very particular ladies, particular for Ks. My last visit to CH there were 2 or 3 and they would not make eye contact, zero. I am well dressed and w / decent game for a 63 year old, this only happens in high end gogos.

These very few women have the ability to look right over my shoulder and play for the K dorks behind me. A few minutes later more Ks come and sit to my left and now that's where the hotties attention will be. This is not a coincidence, this is not my imagination, it is a well known fact on most boards there is an allowed discrimination. If you haven't noticed this that's peculiar, good for you. I have 2 weeks in your neck of the woods and I notice everything and then I return a few months later to the same set of circumstances. I do find my way to happiness but not w / the elite beauties, I'm happy you do.

So as for what I said earlier and that is in the best gogos a few dancers always seem to be K only, repeat, a few. That's a constant reality for me and I am not losing out to other Caucasians, no that isn't my experience at all. For the record I don't blame anyone except maybe the bar owners for allowing discrimination in their bars, it's not cool at all.

I do believe the ladies should have freedom of choice and never be forced to do anything. I just think that the owners should hire women who treat all customers fairly. I have had some great ladies from the CH, but never my first choice, excellent nonetheless.

The only place I have not experience the slightest BG discrimination is on Burgos Street, the few lookers there will go w / most punters.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1833073]I did not see same guy scammed by several girls in succession. Does not make it impossible. Just rare in what I am normally seeing.[/QUOTE]I haven't seen that happening either. But what you wrote and what I asked about was that it must be indeed rare for any guy to have a succession of different girls "visit" him, nothing about a succession of different girls "scamming" him.

With regard to the former, I guess I must be "special" in at least two ways because very often I am visited by a succession of different girls in many bars around town, particularly Crazy House, asking me if they can sit with me, if I will buy them a Lady Drink and/or barfine them. Servers too. I have had many slugs of time in Crazy House where at least a half-dozen dancers who have just finished their 20 minutes dance time will visit me, a different one every 2-3 minutes, asking if they can sit with me (on the prospect of a Lady Drink and / or barfine, of course).

However, I can't exactly feel too "special" about that because I usually see a few other men in the bar getting just as much "special" attention like that from the ladies as I get.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1833408]Reading this just makes me realize even more why I dislike how the GoGo game has to be played these days. Sure is a lot of effort.[/QUOTE]LOL. I know what you mean, but the go-go game these days doesn't have to be played in nearly as complicated (or expensive) way as that to get lovely, sexy go-go dancers willing and eager be in your room with you doing just about whatever it is you like, your way, for costs easily competitive to the usual alternatives around town.

[QUOTE=Socker;1833297]If you're lucky enough to live there you would probably not need to step foot in CH for top level action providing you have a little game and money.[/QUOTE]That can definitely be a factor. Once you have gathered a stable of regular, non-P4 P (directly, that is, LOL) girls whose looks, skills and real GFE rivals or beats the best one has ever seen and experienced from the go-go bargirls, including those in Crazy House, there is little need to put up with much of the BS one usually is presented with in those bars. Consequently, there is little risk involved in cutting through it wherever possible with the girls, providing you are mindful to remain polite, pleasant, relaxed and fun about it.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1833408]Reading this just makes me realize even more why I dislike how the GoGo game has to be played these days. Sure is a lot of effort.[/QUOTE]Hear, hear!

First day was both amazing and a letdown. Hooked up with a few attractive girls but couldn't find 3 of my favorites, one is out of the business with what sounds like abdominal pain. The other two I'm hoping are still around but didn't work on Monday.

Have to say the drink hustle does wear on you, turning down ugly women is easy, turning down hot chicks is another. Once you have 3 fucks and a BJ from the BJ bar its hard to justify buying girls drinks if you know you can't fuck for some time. And those drinks do add up compared to the scene at a German FKK club. Yeah you get to have your hands down the girls pants but you know it's just a hustle.

Made it to Rainbow 3, Spanky's and Bangkok bunnies last night. All the clubs had pushy wait staff. Talent was decent in all but few that took my breath away.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1833391]Yes buying a girl a drink is just an act of generosity. It is not a contract to stay with her for a long period of time. [/QUOTE]

In Thai-oriented bars (like Saphan Kwai), as well as many shady karaokes around town, buying a lady drink actually is a contact for a girl to stay at the customer's table for a given amount of time (20 min or so, depending on the venu). Of course, in Farang bars they don't have to do that since most customers are ready to pay for nothing without complaining.

That 50 baht drink commission is not as little as it appears, restaurant workers get paid less (about 40 baht) for a full hour of actual work.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1833452]In Thai-oriented bars (like Saphan Kwai), as well as many shady karaokes around town, buying a lady drink actually is a contact for a girl to stay at the customer's table for a given amount of time (20 min or so, depending on the venu). Of course, in Farang bars they don't have to do that since most customers are ready to pay for nothing without complaining.

That 50 baht drink commission is not as little as it appears, restaurant workers get paid less (about 40 baht) for a full hour of actual work.[/QUOTE]Yes okay But some girls are not that talented at selling drinks so may sell only 4 drinks for the evening. Sometimes a girl told me was her first drink mid evening.

Some lose their entire monthly salary of 10 K or 12 k in fines, usually from arriving late or not arriving at all. These girls make money from being BFed. Some have to ensure they get a good salary due to low number of BFs and low drink sales.

Crazy now starts at 7 PM to compensate for for early close 1 am. That is only 6 hours. Girls would have to be lucky to sell more than 1 drink per hour on average. Really top girls can sell more. Naked dancing starts 7. 30 PM currently.

One girl lives Bang Chak. That is at least 80 Baht taxi ride home. Not surprising several girls want to get together to share taxi.

One girl in another bar lives past Bearing. 150 Baht taxi ride. Sometimes have to get an All Taxi yellowish orange taxi as they don't refuse any rides and always on meter. This girl could make no money for the evening net unless get BFed. She was in an outside portable cart bar. She was not wearing a tight outfit to show off body. Possible big tummy. I would not BF her.

So bars have some girls struggling, and some making very good money indeed. Full spectrum. In my experience, the diligent stunning girls making really big money are few. Some could make over 100k per month if they did not get "sick" and turn up every day.However I notice my favourite girls are missing more often then not. I have no clue how much these girls make per month. It probably varies wildly. Some seem to work only when they need money badly.

If I buy a girl a drink, she usually does stay with me 20 mins till she has to dance, and usually returns after dancing, hoping to get another drink of course. If a girl wants ti leave, she will usually give the reason like toilet or dancing and indicates she will return. It helps I speak Thai.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1833450] And those drinks do add up compared to the scene at a German FKK club. [/QUOTE]I use the 70 euro FKK entry fee budget as my nightly drink budget. Don't usually come close to using that. I'm pretty good at saying no drinks or letting my girl know up front what the limit is for the night. If I feel the drink total getting out of hand I'll BF the girl early.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1833462]Crazy now starts at 7 PM to compensate for for early close 1 am. That is only 6 hours. [/QUOTE] Early closing gives us more time for LT but, more importantly, easier to meet girls after the club closes with no BF.

Last Saturday night Suzie Wong Bar started their popular nightly stage show by at least 9:30 PM when I entered instead of the usual 10 PM or so. By 9:45 PM, the girls were already performing the girl-on-girl clit licking portion of the show. I assume the earlier start time was to compensate for the current 1 AM Soi Cowboy bar closures. Haven't heard about any time changes for the weekend Baccara Bar show and didn't stop in to find out. Does anyone know if that one is starting earlier now, too?

[QUOTE=Breadman;1833450]. And those drinks do add up compared to the scene at a German FKK club. Yeah you get to have your hands down the girls pants but you know it's just a hustle.
[/QUOTE]Enterance to FKK is 50 - 70 Euros or 2600 baht. That's over 10 lady drinks! How many do you buy?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1833391]Its not about making you care. Its explaining that a girl who has has made less than 2 bucks from a 50 Baht drink commission is not yet highly motivated.
.... [/QUOTE]I am talking about the girl doing her job for whomever is buying her a drink. IMO, if the guy buys a gogo girl a drink, she should stay there and keep him company (at least until she is finished with her drink). She should not just take 2 sips and disappear. Or slam it down in a hot second and disappear until her next stage shift. That's what the original poster was talking about. Shit, after all she is getting 2 things, a free drink and 50 baht. It's not the guy's job to motivate her to come get something for FREE. If she doesn't want to be felt up and / or doesn't want to sit with a paying customer, then she should stay sitting somewhere else.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1833544]I am talking about the girl doing her job for whomever is buying her a drink. IMO, if the guy buys a gogo girl a drink, she should stay there and keep him company (at least until she is finished with her drink). She should not just take 2 sips and disappear. Or slam it down in a hot second and disappear until her next stage shift. That's what the original poster was talking about. Shit, after all she is getting 2 things, a free drink and 50 baht. It's not the guy's job to motivate her to come get something for FREE. If she doesn't want to be felt up and / or doesn't want to sit with a paying customer, then she should stay sitting somewhere else.[/QUOTE]Agreed 100%. The gal should have to sit there at least the duration of one dance rotation. Personally I like the way GoGos operate in the PI much better. Buy the gal a drink and she does not have to dance. When the gal downs the drink or takes two sips and leaves, she is simply ripping off the customer. Shame on her and shame on the bar for allowing this to happen. Ultimately it is the responsibility of management to make and enforce policy on matters such as these. It really is amazing what guys allow these gals and establishments to get away with. Thinking with the little head only.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1833544]I am talking about the girl doing her job for whomever is buying her a drink. IMO, if the guy buys a gogo girl a drink, she should stay there and keep him company (at least until she is finished with her drink). She should not just take 2 sips and disappear. Or slam it down in a hot second and disappear until her next stage shift. That's what the original poster was talking about. Shit, after all she is getting 2 things, a free drink and 50 baht. It's not the guy's job to motivate her to come get something for FREE. If she doesn't want to be felt up and / or doesn't want to sit with a paying customer, then she should stay sitting somewhere else.[/QUOTE]Sure I agree. Anyone would be pissed off if girl takes two sips and disappears.

Happened to me once that I bought a girl a drink, and it was slow to arrive. She had to go dance before her drink even arrived. While she was dancing, my favorite Ging turned up in plain clothes about to exit CH to go eat. Ging soon changed her mind. My previous companion 140 (a newbie) disappeared, presumably too shy to show up now that Ging (40) had arrived. I struggled to remember her number correctly to reconcile the bill. Don't know where 140 disappeared to. I could not find her for a while to call her back for her drink. Could have been in toilet, who knows? I did not regard it as a scam. Just some shy girls don't know what to do when they have been supplanted. I am sure she hoped to be BFed initially and may have been peeved to have been replaced.

Anyway a bit annoying to buy a completely wasted drink. Shit happens sometimes. But not all the time. It's unusual and problem partly caused by buying the drink at the wrong time, since I called her over also at non ideal time. I learn my lesson.

The worst girl I ever saw for jumping customers was "Chocolate" (ex Dollhouse girl) and that was many months ago. Haven't seen her lately. Unusual since she always had a Thai boy (to help support I assume) and used to work every day never arriving late. I certainly have the greatest contempt for her and a small number of other girls. Kratae was one other I can remember trying to maintain multiple concurrent customers (to milk for drinks one assumes). I think her idea of a ST was to go to the disco instead of fucking. Ha Ha. I am not going for that sort of crap. Most girls are not that devious.

However I stress I don't meet the bad behaviours of girls very often. Mostly it's plain sailing and girls stay with me as long as they can unless they have another customer that wants to BF them when I am not doing so.

I try to study girls' behaviours for extended time, before I ever call them to me. Helps to see bad behaviours before it happens to me. I mostly get nice girls this way. With Oom I made a bad mistake. I thought I had her pegged as a semi bad girl as she liked to tease other girls. Months later, I found out she was actually quite nice and just fun loving. Finally BFed her. Fortunately she had ditched her Thai boy as well, and was very active wild on the bed and non-restrictive despite being a bit shy in public. Repeated several times. Lost weight but hasn't been working much lately.