Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1834977]Yikes. Maybe I am getting picky but it's getting harder and harder to find gals who fit the bill these days. And by the bill I mean mix of looks, attitude, and performance. Went around to all the PSE joints this evening and found nothing suited my eye. Hit the BG Soi 7 and that was a bust; must admit I was not expecting much although I did talk to a gal or two but did not get the right vibe. Even hit the BJ bars on the way home and spotted some decent eye candy, but gave her a grab on the way in and lo and behold a pad; period time. Second time this week that has happened to me at the BJ bars. Had to pass through Thermae but each time I do I am met by a vibe that really kills my mood. I did so love that place. Hell, I took way over 100 gals out of there between 00 and 05.

Guess I am feeling more and more nostalgic for the "good ole days" when there was far far more to choose from. Sukhumvit is really a shadow of its former self numbers wise. There is just no getting around that. Walking down the street and hearing "go with you" every 20 meters is just a thing of the past. It was not a matter of finding one you liked, but of deciding between one of many. Now I am hard pressed to find one.[/QUOTE]Goatscrot, have you looked into the new chrome pole go-go bar on Sukhumvit Road, The Hot Links, between Soi 5 and Soi 7? hmm. I think it is the only chrome pole go-go bar on Sukhumvit Road anywhere near the Nana and Soi Cowboy area. Unless I am forgetting about one.

It has been opened for about a month so I must have walked past it a couple of dozen times without noticing it. Curtained entrance, next to that long corridor entrance massage shop. Tiny lower floor stage and bar as you enter but when the upstairs gets into full swing, they say in a year or so, they will have a few more platform stages in a much bigger bar area. Now there are 3-4 pool tables upstairs in operation. Couple of cute young things working in there last night. Don't know if they would fit your bill though. I was there for a while, played a couple of games of pool with a little lady. Didn't even ask about barfines as I have a sex starved regular date type girl lined up today and needed to conserve for this one. I never saw the girls wearing anything less than bikinis. But I doubt they will show more on that lower floor stage since only a loosely closed curtain keeps passersby from looking in on the proceedings.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1835120]Goatscrot, have you looked into the new chrome pole go-go bar on Sukhumvit Road, The Hot Links, between Soi 5 and Soi 7? hmm. I think it is the only chrome pole go-go bar on Sukhumvit Road anywhere near the Nana and Soi Cowboy area. Unless I am forgetting about one.

It has been opened for about a month so I must have walked past it a couple of dozen times without noticing it. Curtained entrance, next to that long corridor entrance massage shop. Tiny lower floor stage and bar as you enter but when the upstairs gets into full swing, they say in a year or so, they will have a few more platform stages in a much bigger bar area. Now there are 3-4 pool tables upstairs in operation. Couple of cute young things working in there last night. Don't know if they would fit your bill though. I was there for a while, played a couple of games of pool with a little lady. Didn't even ask about barfines as I have a sex starved regular date type girl lined up today and needed to conserve for this one. I never saw the girls wearing anything less than bikinis. But I doubt they will show more on that lower floor stage since only a loosely closed curtain keeps passersby from looking in on the proceedings.[/QUOTE]Always worth a shot. Thanks for the recommendation.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1835089]Syzy, you are a 65 year old geezer who looks like Robert Englund. It requires a few tequilas (a dozen) for a young Isaan bar girl to drink you to be Brad Pitt. LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks fir the complement. I had to look him up but think he looks quite good when not pulling a silly face.

Suppose you call a girl to come over and sit with you and entertain you a little. She probably does not want to do this for free and the bar has to sell drinks to make money. She will ask for a drink soon enough. E. g. At CH a tequila now costs 170 baht and girl makes 60 baht commission. That is about 2 bucks. Hopefully the girl will stay with you for a while.

Maybe the remainder of her time before she has to dance. She will often say that she will come back after she dances and hope to get another drink later.

However there is no cast iron contract. If the girl already has another custoner, she should mention from the start. Also the customer has to motivate the girl to stay rather than run away to some extent. If the girl doesn't want to be there she will possibly not stay for a long time. Mostly girls stay with me for a long time because they feel I am a nice customer, treat the girl well, don't act weird, am clean, etc.

Last night was a chance to study behavior of a girl for a short time without fully understanding what was going on. Donut was dancing on the stage and she eventually spotted me and smiled. We have intimate knowledge of each other already. When came time to get off the stage she did not immediately come to me. Her friend Noi came. We could see Donut was standing with another customer not too far away. So I guessed maybe she was with him before she started dancing. After a period of just a small number of minutes she left him and headed off to the lift, probably to go to toilet. I don't know. When she came back she did not return to her customer but was just hanging around in the middle. I waved to her and she came to me. Sat on my lap completely nude. A shy girl but not too shy with me.

I signaled for her and Noi to get a drink. Her previous customer could now see she was with me and was annoyed because he had bought her 1 drink and she had obviously not stayed with him for 20 minutes. He started to complain with a mamasan. I couldn't hear the conversation but he wasn't happy.

I asked Donut what happened. She was shy to go into detail but I gathered he bought her a drink. I understood that he had laughed at her in a sickening manner acting weird perhaps when asked if he wanted to BF the girl. Its not uncommon for girls to ask for if a customer has BF intentions when more than one customer in the house is interested in her, to see which customer is going to be the better option. Anyway the main point is Donut did not like the customer even though younger than me and better looking. He could speak Thai somewhat as I heard a simple phrase or two loudly.

My waitress asked me if I wanted to take over the drink that he bought for Donut. I said yes, if Donut does not want to go back to him for whatever reason, refund him the cost of the lady drink and add it to my bill. That would be fair to him since I have no right to tell donut who she must sit with. He left fairly quickly as expected.

It's rare I see such an incident but does happen that girls run away from a customer, either because she doesn't like him or because an important customer has arrived. Girls have left me to go to another customer too. If she is my regular girl, she would normally tell me she is leaving out of politeness and give the reason, checking if I am OK with it, as I would then have opportunity to say I wanted to BF her if that was desired. I might say fine, go ahead to her other custoner if I had no intention of BFing her or not ready to make a decision.

Last night I told the girls I did not intend to BF anyone. However Donut was still happy to sit on my lap for extended time. She got more than one drink in total over the period of my stay. Probably some other guys indicated they had interest in her too. She is very pretty and tall model type with good body so should be popular.

Girls are free to go to who they want in the bar. We don't realky own them after buying one drink. Sure we expect the girl to stay for a reasonable time, but she has to like the customer to feel she can handle to be with him. I believe long time experienced girls are more likely to put up with strange custoners for a longer time. A newbie very shy girl maybe very timid and not want to be with customers unless is feeling happy that they are nice. Donut tends to hide after her dance bracket rather than try to find a customer unless she really feels confident with a customer, despite being a stunner. Definitely a tiimid girl. Not compatible with the more aggressive type customers.

In the bar, we are competing with other customers to get the very best in demand girls. I believe I have to act in a way that gives me a chance of winning, but accept sometimes I lose out. I remember one very hot girl in Bacarra who would not even answer me (not a single word) when I spoke to her and asked if she was free/available. I soon saw her make a beeline for a young handsome Farang. She probably knew him already. These things happen. Tough luck. girls will come to me when I am the best option.

Girls sometimes prefer to work in bars over MPs. In MPs, girls get stuck with customers choosing them. Sometimes the girl loathes the customer. I remember cute Cat at Mango telling she actually disliked well over 50% of her regular customers, saying they were sick perverts or too rough and too aggressive. She obviously should not have been working a PSE shop. In bars, girls don't have to fuck a customer they don't like and don't really have to spend time getting groped by him either, if don't like him or he is cheap charlie. Girls have ability to choose or accept the customer.

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It's rare I see such an incident but does happen that girls run away from a customer, either because she doesn't like him or because an important customer has arrived. Girls have left me to go to another customer too. If she is my regular girl, she would normally tell me she is leaving out of politeness and give the reason, checking if I am OK with it, as I would then have opportunity to say I wanted to BF her if that was desired. I might say fine, go ahead to her other custoner if I had no intention of BFing her or not ready to make a decision.

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Girls are free to go to who they want in the bar. We don't realky own them after buying one drink. Sure we expect the girl to stay for a reasonable time, but she has to like the customer to feel she can handle to be with him. I believe long time experienced girls are more likely to put up with strange custoners for a longer time. A newbie very shy girl maybe very timid and not want to be with customers unless is feeling happy that they are nice. Donut tends to hide after her dance bracket rather than try to find a customer unless she really feels confident with a customer, despite being a stunner. Definitely a tiimid girl. Not compatible with the more aggressive type customers.[/QUOTE]Why must it only be that girls leave a customer shortly after a Lady Drink has been bought because the customer acts weird, is strange, isn't a nice guy, isn't nice to her, is too aggressive, isn't important enough, or that she doesn't like him? Surely you don't believe those are the only or, for that matter, the most likely reasons a girl hops up and leaves a customer for whatever excuse shortly after a Lady Drink has been bought just because that is what the girls tell you when they leave that customer and are now hoping you will buy them a Lady Drink.

Going out on a limb here. But I am guessing a whole bunch of bargirls, even girls in Crazy House, even girls who tell you otherwise all the time, even girls who excuse themselves from you shortly after you have bought them a Lady Drink, or even two Lady Drinks, are simply not interested in barfining with anyone at this time but instead are keenly interested in racking up as many Lady Drink quota credits and commissions as possible before their 20 minute off stage time is up.

Just sayin'.

If that is the reason, and I suspect it is the real reason many more times than the suspiciously universally self-serving reasons you hear from the girls, it makes total sense to me for them to try to do it. Their short term gain being the motivation, that is.

Meanwhile, nobody's night is ruined or ego destroyed over it. There are too many tasty options and pleasures to be had in all directions for very little time and money for it to do such a thing. However, I support anyone here reporting it happening because one never knows if it is a one off or a trend that others have experienced lately as well and, therefore, something that must be noted regarding a particular venue. Talking about a potential pattern that might turn out to be either widely encouraged or ignored and allowed by management in a given bar.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1835204]Why must it only be that girls leave a customer shortly after a Lady Drink has been bought because the customer acts weird, is strange, isn't nice to her, is too aggressive, isn't important enough, or that she doesn't like him? Surely you don't think those are the only or, for that matter, the most likely reasons a girl hops up and leaves a customer for whatever excuse after a Lady Drink has been bought just because that is what the girls tell you when they leave that customer and are now hoping you will buy them a Lady Drink.
[/QUOTE]Sure I don't see ladies jumping ship quickly so often so she is either not liking the customer or a bit of a scammer, or going to her regular. I haven't detected very many scammers. I don't find Donut is a scammer. She is far too timid. She doesn't even approach guys, looking for a drink.

Girls have an imperative to make money for the evening, not just sit around lazy and make zero money. So without a reasonable flow of drink commissions, she is working for free. Some girls did not attend the bar enough times in January to get any monthly salary at all, so leaves only drink commissions and barfines, yet the girl may not want to fuck absolutely anyone. Girls presumably stay with me, because they see me as the best option at the time. They know staying with me will get a drink every "off stage" cycle.

I do hear the odd complaint from girls that many customers want to call the girl, buy just one drink for her, have their fun, feel up her tits etc., and no BF. i.e. the customers want plenty for very small expenditure. Girls are looking for the better customers of course.

The girl's primary objective to make money is to get BFed by a nice customer. 2nd objective if to sell a lot of drinks, so the night is not totally wasted for her. Sometimes see girls too tired to work that don't want to be there (when they did not get enough sleep), but still turn up to work to try get a bit of money.

Anyway the girl's objective to sell drinks is clashing with customers whose objective is to spend as little as possible. I get treated well mostly because I am not cheap Charlie and I behave well. If I was cheap Charlie, I have no illusions. Girls would lose interest quickly enough. If my behaviour was not nice for them, they would run away too. If I should have underarm stench, I am sure girls would run away. I try to be better than the average customer. Fortunately that is not too hard, even competing against popular Japanese and Korean customers.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1835204]Going out on a limb here. But I am guessing a whole bunch of bargirls, even girls in Crazy House, even girls who tell you otherwise all the time, even girls who excuse themselves from you shortly after you have bought them a Lady Drink, or even two Lady Drinks, are simply not interested in barfining with anyone at this time but instead are keenly interested in racking up as many Lady Drink quota credits and commissions as possible before their 20 minute off stage time is up.[/QUOTE]I went to Crazy House recently and the lady drink scamming level is higher than all the other go-go bars I have ever tried. Guy next to me offered one to one girl, and she insisted he also buy one for her friend. So far, pretty standard. But then the girl immediately turned around and started speaking with somebody else.

As for me, the girl said she wanted whisky and coca cola. Barmaid brought 2 drinks: 1 whisky and 1 coca cola. I complained, because that is twice the price. That's a new scam I haven't heard before. I was so pissed I paid anyway and just left, leaving no tip which is unusual. Be careful! By contrast, Mandarin Upstairs in Nana and Baccara had normal behavior patterns.

I feel it makes sense to suggest the matrix of a romantic relationship is complex but becomes more so when there are diverse cultures involved. It works only if there are zones of compatibility or at least crossroads of similar interest. I have always believed the best way to find out if these exist is to go on holidays with your lady which is what I did with my uni student from Terminal 21. We had great sex, affectionate and passionate, she was so easy to be with, no problem with her English but by day 4 I found we had absolutely nothing to say to each other. I didn't set out looking for a life partner but I have been amazed how the initial infatuation was so quickly replaced with an I want to move on feeling. While I know the age difference 26 v 54 is partly to blame I feel cultural incompatibilities also come into play. I envy those who know how to make these relationships work. .

On another sad note my massage oasis on 53 has closed. It was raided by no less than 8 plain clothes no I'm not kidding as farcical as it sounds there were 8 of them looking for licenses, most of which the owner had but was missing one. She was hauled off to the station, appeared in court two days later, was fined 15000 baht. Later she was told she would in future have to "pay" three different "agencies" if she wanted to stay in business. Since it was not financially viable to reopen under these conditions she is understandably devastated.

I've been here on my third visit for about a month, have met and spoken with a number of people who are way more familiar with what goes on here than I am. I love the country, the people, the food, the massages, the nightlife but boy is there a lot that goes on here that is truly and I mean truly scary.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1835243]I went to Crazy House recently and the lady drink scamming level is higher than all the other go-go bars I have ever tried. Guy next to me offered one to one girl, and she insisted he also buy one for her friend. So far, pretty standard. But then the girl immediately turned around and started speaking with somebody else.

As for me, the girl said she wanted whisky and coca cola. Barmaid brought 2 drinks: 1 whisky and 1 coca cola. I complained, because that is twice the price. That's a new scam I haven't heard before. I was so pissed I paid anyway and just left, leaving no tip which is unusual. Be careful! By contrast, Mandarin Upstairs in Nana and Baccara had normal behavior patterns.[/QUOTE]Girl can suggest or insist to buy a drink for her friend all she likes. I ignore this type of behavior, unless I just happen to like her friend a lot. I can just say a straight no. I girl is annoying I tell her to go away, or just 100% ignore her.

I have not heard of Whiskey and coke being two drinks. Never saw a girl drink just a Whiskey unmixed. However a girl requesting two drinks is not that unusual. It is normally Tequila & coke. Obviously Tequila / coke is two drinks. Never saw anyone mix them. As far as I am aware the lady drinks at CH that she gets commission on, are either Tequilas or Cokes or Coke equivalents like Fanta. Nothing else much occurs with my experience there.

Again if the girl asks for two drinks, I can easily say "no just one". I admit I am assisted by speaking good Thai, being a regular, and having a good waitress to look after me. Also I am mainly using girls that I know well already. I almost never take on a new girl without having studied her behavior for some time, reducing my chances of getting a bad girl.

I suggest to guys to look carefully for a nice girl, call that one to you if you like and buy her just one drink to start with till see if there is really good chemistry going on. Take it slowly.

Guys can hate this bar just like I am not at all keen on Bacarra set up. However CH remains popular for many, and I am doing just fine there.

[QUOTE=GerryGa;1835263]I feel it makes sense to suggest the matrix of a romantic relationship is complex but becomes more so when there are diverse cultures involved. It works only if there are zones of compatibility or at least crossroads of similar interest. I have always believed the best way to find out if these exist is to go on holidays with your lady which is what I did with my uni student from Terminal 21. We had great sex, affectionate and passionate, she was so easy to be with, no problem with her English but by day 4 I found we had absolutely nothing to say to each other. I didn't set out looking for a life partner but I have been amazed how the initial infatuation was so quickly replaced with an I want to move on feeling. While I know the age difference 26 v 54 is partly to blame I feel cultural incompatibilities also come into play. I envy those who know how to make these relationships work. .

I've been here on my third visit for about a month, have met and spoken with a number of people who are way more familiar with what goes on here than I am. I love the country, the people, the food, the massages, the nightlife but boy is there a lot that goes on here that is truly and I mean truly scary.[/QUOTE]In my early days, I found some problems with taking certain girls away for several days. Not all girls. Some were very forgiving, others not. Thais have standards of behavior and etiquette that we don't know about and have to adjust to. I would recommend not taking a girl away for several days unless you have known her very well for some time. Build up to it. First ST, then LT, then 24 hours, then 2 days, then longer. However never jump to several days trip in one hit. Things can go sour.

I had a steep learning curve initially to assess exactly how high class a girl was and how I had to adjust myself. E. g. You cannot kiss a girl in public, and she won't even like you to put your arm around her waist, maybe holding her hand maybe acceptable in some places. She doesn't want to look very obviously like a hooker, even if she is one. Also you have know what quality of Hotel room is acceptable to a girl. Some can want an el cheapo, and others can want a high class room.

Suppose you have a bad cold and need to blow your nose. You need to run away to a toilet to do this. However if you are stuck sitting next to her on a bus can be a bit impractical. The sound of nose blowing is considered very rude in Thailand, even if not in a restaurant. Picking your nose in public, surprisingly is seen quite often and more accepted by Thais.

If you eat in a restaurant and indicate you did not like the food, suddenly girl could be upset and you are mystified as to why. Problem was she chose the restaurant and any criticism of anything could be viewed as criticising her selection. So great care with what is criticised and how it is done is important in Thai culture.

Yes, what do you have in common with the girl to talk about? Wanting to fuck her all the time, is not enough to keep her entertained. Is it important to yack yack to the her all the time? Perhaps not as long as are visiting some interesting places, conversation can be over rated. In my early days I spent time with Thai girls with little or no English the communication was a struggle but while I used it to learn Thai, could be tiresome for the girl, with me not understanding some very basic Thai expressions.

Some Thai girls can get incredibly pissed off if you keep reminding them how many minutes remain before the transport departs when she is doing her makeup, getting ready, etc. I have found certain holidays with a girlfriend got spoiled because the program of events was too hectic for her, and she had no concept of hurrying when time remaining was short.

Once a girl gets annoyed, she can stop talking to you, or go off somewhere and ignore you.

Once I had a lot of Thailand experience, things got a lot easier, but still make mistakes due to different standards of behavior.

20+ years ago, one girl was very upset that I did not give her a happy new year card and present. The fact I had just given her a Christmas card and present several days earlier did not count. She knew nothing about Christmas. I knew nothing about Thai system for New Year.

In Thailand, you must not use a typical Farang upward pointing finger curling movement to call a girl to come to you. Turn your hand upside down, and its suddenly more acceptable. Who knows why? Using your foot to point at an object or move it is very rude too. Westerners don't understand. So many traps for a newbie to do something quite unacceptable without realising it. A book on Thai etiquette is absolutely essential.

Speaking of CH, has anyone barfined #60 recently? She's absolutely gorgeous (well, at least to me)! I wanted to barfine her a couple nights ago, but I spoke to two mamasans there and both of them told me she was no good. So that dissuaded me from taking her. I was quite surprised that they would say this. I'm not a frequent customer, but I go there enough that a couple of the girls / mamasans recognize me. I wonder if #60 really has a bad rep, or the mamas just didn't like her for personal reasons?

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1835243]I went to Crazy House recently and the lady drink scamming level is higher than all the other go-go bars I have ever tried. Guy next to me offered one to one girl, and she insisted he also buy one for her friend. So far, pretty standard. But then the girl immediately turned around and started speaking with somebody else.

As for me, the girl said she wanted whisky and coca cola. Barmaid brought 2 drinks: 1 whisky and 1 coca cola. I complained, because that is twice the price. That's a new scam I haven't heard before. I was so pissed I paid anyway and just left, leaving no tip which is unusual. Be careful! By contrast, Mandarin Upstairs in Nana and Baccara had normal behavior patterns.[/QUOTE]Usually, when I decide to buy a girl a drink, I like to ask the girl WHAT she wants to drink first. Then I order the drink. This way there is no 'mistake' (or bullshit). I don't like when anyone tries to scam. So I try my best to stop any of that before it can even happen. Funny part is the girl always just tries to order anyway. I smile and say, no honey, WHAT do you want? You want beer, whiskey, vodka? Then half of them still try to order directly with the server. Once I find out what she wants, I give the drink order. That usually prevents any issues. No one likes to be taken for a fool. That's one way that stuff can be prevented. Another thing a guy can do is simply confirm the order with the server. Now you and the server know exactly what is being ordered.

Good time in Som's Heaven again. The girls looks are nice for what you'd expect in a BJ bar, couple are cute (though nowhere near the GoGo level of course). Som is fun to chat with and makes sure you feel welcomed.

I'm very inexperienced with GoGo scene, though in CH I've noticed for the guy sitting next to me the waitress was bringing a ladydrink for the girl and for herself every time your man ordered his beer. He even tried to protest as in he didn't ask for it, but the waitress dismissed him with like "ah cmon you can afford this" attitude. Not sure if that's a norm, certainly didn't seem so.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1835275]In Thailand, you must not use a typical Farang upward pointing finger curling movement to call a girl to come to you. Turn your hand upside down, and its suddenly more acceptable. Who knows why? [/QUOTE]I hate the upward finger curl beckon back in Britain and don't do it myself. I put that down to years of travel around Asia and having adapted to the other one.

The former really does come across to me now as being used to arrogantly beckon another person like they are a naughty little dog, whereas the later doesn't somehow.

But again, perhaps just travel in Asia creates that distinction in me now between them, the former intends to wreck face but the later is far less so (or not at all).

My first crap session of my 2 weeks here. Was a free lancer from an outside cart bar.

9 pm checked CH. Waitress quickly told me all my girls were missing for Chinese new year so I stayed just 30 minutes to ensure they were not arriving late, 1 drink and left. Next booked number 14 Pheung at Annies. When I arrived turned out she had sore back and could not work. Booking staff did not know. She suggested Sunday.

Next went to a portable cart bar. Freelancer Apple had a cute face and cute ass. Have met her before. With clothes on I could not see her tits were small and very saggy.

Kissed nicely but could not handle DATY saying it was dirty (despite a long shower). No BJ given. Mish was OK for a while. However I got almost zero feeling from her pussy. Turns out she is a mother of 3 kids. Not much stretch marks but pussy was just a no feeling one. Not sure if there was sonething wrong with me today or not. After a while the dick started to flag.

Managed to fuck a total of maybe 20 minutes in various positions but was not getting anywhere close to a cum at all before going limp.

Real bombout. Cheap but useless. All other sessions for last two weeks have been good enough through to excellent. I actually only tried 3 new girls. Only today was a complete bomb out. The remainder of girls were repeats.

Sometimes shit happens and everything goes wrong. You can find a bad session almost anywhere. Any new girl is always a risk.

Puts a bit of a dampener on choosing girls where cannot see the body properly. Wished I could have done one of my fabulous body pretty girls: Ging, Donut, or Pheung. Ging has best feeling pussy of all. These girls are not mothers as far as I know, but normally I do have great fun with mothers.

I have fucked plenty of mothers happily before including GF, however not sure if I ever fucked a girl with 3 kids before. Possibly I would not know.