Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Hioctane;2003704]Practically all gogos these days have some model / contract girls sprinkled in that command a 2 k BF before midnight.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I haven't run into any. Can you provide names of some of the clubs you have experienced this at?

Is this just a high season thing or were you getting these quotes before December?

I was at Peppermint. Girl who I bought LD quoted prices 1000 BF, 4000st, 6000 LT (4 hours).

Too expensive.

I got refused entry at Sensations because they thought I am too young. Did not care to show copy of my ID.

[QUOTE=Guy93;2003821]I was at Peppermint. Girl who I bought LD quoted prices 1000 BF, 4000st, 6000 LT (4 hours).

Too expensive.[/QUOTE]What were her specs?

[QUOTE=Amjeck;2003823]What were her specs?[/QUOTE]26 yo, slim, beautiful face but had braces.

[QUOTE=Guy93;2003821]I got refused entry at Sensations because they thought I am too young. Did not care to show copy of my ID.[/QUOTE]Why not show your ID?

[QUOTE=Guy93;2003821]I was at Peppermint. Girl who I bought LD quoted prices 1000 BF, 4000st, 6000 LT (4 hours).
[/QUOTE]

4 hours isn't even LT.

Didn't want to. I was not in the mood.

Yeah tell that to the girls. I know LT is overnight, but some girls have their own idea of LT.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2003846]



4 hours isn't even LT.[/QUOTE]Exactly, that's just an extended ST. With so many weak, clueless punters around, it seems increasingly important to specify minimum hours at time of purchase in Patts.

No luck at beer bars.

I have been told girls from the beer bars should do LT for 1000 or 2000 and BF should be 300.

But they have been asking from 500 to 1500 BF and 3000 or 4000 for LT.

At drinking street, soi 7 and WS.

[QUOTE=Guy93;2003865]No luck at beer bars.

I have been told girls from the beer bars should do LT for 1000 or 2000 and BF should be 300.

[/QUOTE]300 + 1000 LT is very doable at bar beers, but it helps if the girl really likes to go with you. 1000ST should be a no brainer. Go with the flow, you will find what you seek.

[QUOTE=Guy93;2003855]Didn't want to. I was not in the mood.[/QUOTE]Not sure if you have been to Sensations but on many nights it has the most pretty girls. I have seen up to 120 girls inside. Don't let the lone wolf bored shitless coyote out front fool you that it's a lame bar. Yes, their bouncer is pretty strict but I like that. I tried to bring in a chocolate bar for one of the girls once. He told me I couldn't bring in food and I'm a known face!

Guy, looks like you're being offered a very high price no matter where you go. Are you wearing really nice clothes? Are you coming across as a super tourist? Not being disrespectful, just wondering.

Just a quick update of Soi 6. I was there this evening and the police was there too. They had their cars parked at the beginning of Soi 6 and I saw them hanging around there.

Then they moved down the street and it were at least ten police officers including a couple of female cops as well. They went into clubs and I am not sure of the outcome but it was not so fun to be in Soi 6 while they were doing their raid.

I was looking for a girl in a bar (Smoke & Kisses) and she was not there and the other girls told me that she went home because of the current hassle with the police. I also noticed that there were not as many girls in the bars as it usually is. Kind of depressing actually and I hope that this shit with the police will be over soon and that things will get back to normal.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2003939]she was not there and the other girls told me that she went home because of the current hassle with the police. [/QUOTE]I know of 1 Kinnaree girl, 2 massage girls, and one other G-club girl that have left to work in Bangkok and other countries while the raids are happening. All my gogo girls are still there so status quo for me really.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2003933]
Guy, looks like you're being offered a very high price no matter where you go. Are you wearing really nice clothes? Are you coming across as a super tourist? Not being disrespectful, just wondering.[/QUOTE]I'm wearing dress shirts and denim shorts.

I don't know what you mean as a super tourist.

I never order alcohol to myself because I don't drink anymore. I usually order one nam som AKA orange juice, coke or water.

If I find a girl who I like and want to have, I usually buy her a lady drink, maybe two if we are staying longer together.

No sex please, we're Thai.

With the police denying prostitution exists in Pattaya, activists say there's little chance of the sex trade being decriminalised.

Great article about the history of Pattaya and attitude of police that if a women wants to have sex with a foreigner, its her private business, not prostitution.

[URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1205077/no-sex-please-were-thaiserved.[/URL]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2003226]Pretty certain no WS gogo club has a 2k BF (maybe What's Up? or it's sister club upstairs). Care to name the club?

I find the pizzas taste different now since the renovations this Summer. Maybe it's just me the last 2 visits I wasn't liking my pepperoni.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2003817]Interesting. I haven't run into any. Can you provide names of some of the clubs you have experienced this at?

Is this just a high season thing or were you getting these quotes before December?[/QUOTE]How long have you been coming to Patts? It is a year round thing. I don't know what types of girls you are into, but just go to any of the higher end gogos. Baccara (downstairs), Sensations, Iron, Sapphire, etc. On LK, go to Lady Love, Queens. Look for the nice slim girls with big fake tits. 1.5 k-2 k BF and 3 k-5 k LT is common with them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2003615]I am not understanding that at all. Last night I didn't get a nap in so I didn't feel like going out. Hopped on WeChat at midnight and saw a girl that I had fucked before who had not been answering my messages on Line. She came over in 15 minutes. She said she had gotten a new phone so her Line is different. I have changed phones many times (but never changed phone numbers) but my Line has never changed. Is it the phone number changing that has something to do with it? But you have a Line ID so not sure how that would have anything to do with the phone number.

P.S. I also found a chick on WeChat that does massage including balls and prostate for 1000 baht/hr. Since I am not going to need the prostate part I am trying to talk her down as I write. May try her later on this week.[/QUOTE]I can help with this. If you change your number, as long as you registered your email with your line, you can change phones and numbers but keep the same line account. Pathetically, Thai girls are famous for having multiple line accounts, multiple Facebooks, we chats and so on. The simple reason is they forget their passwords to all of these. Apple ID passwords are very common for them to forget as well as emails too. Dot worry about it. It's common. They may have changed their number or just their line.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2003939]Just a quick update of Soi 6. I was there this evening and the police was there too. They had their cars parked at the beginning of Soi 6 and I saw them hanging around there.

Then they moved down the street and it were at least ten police officers including a couple of female cops as well. They went into clubs and I am not sure of the outcome but it was not so fun to be in Soi 6 while they were doing their raid.

I was looking for a girl in a bar (Smoke & Kisses) and she was not there and the other girls told me that she went home because of the current hassle with the police. I also noticed that there were not as many girls in the bars as it usually is. Kind of depressing actually and I hope that this shit with the police will be over soon and that things will get back to normal.[/QUOTE]It's not good.

Article with photos of the army raiding bars.

[URL]http://soi-6.com/s/2017/02/27/police-raids-soi-6/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Guy93;2003865]No luck at beer bars.

I have been told girls from the beer bars should do LT for 1000 or 2000 and BF should be 300.

But they have been asking from 500 to 1500 BF and 3000 or 4000 for LT.

At drinking street, soi 7 and WS.[/QUOTE]What beer bars were asking 1500 for BF?

[QUOTE=Guy93;2003865]No luck at beer bars.

I have been told girls from the beer bars should do LT for 1000 or 2000 and BF should be 300.

But they have been asking from 500 to 1500 BF and 3000 or 4000 for LT.

At drinking street, soi 7 and WS.[/QUOTE]Are you in your 20's? Soi 7 is usually 1000-1500 and 300'ish barfine LT. If your young she usually loves to go with you. Making all the other girls on the street 'jealous'. On Soi 7 you will leave with your girl with a lot of screams and shouting from the other girls (in a good way). A lot of times they also propose if you want to keep them for more days for a good deal (but wouldn't advice this unless she speaks good English and / or you have a really good time).

[QUOTE=Guy93;2003865]No luck at beer bars.

I have been told girls from the beer bars should do LT for 1000 or 2000 and BF should be 300.

But they have been asking from 500 to 1500 BF and 3000 or 4000 for LT.

At drinking street, soi 7 and WS.[/QUOTE]These days getting 1000 LT from the beer bars (or anywhere for that matter) is rare. She would have to old and / or ugly OR you would have to be a very, very hand sum man. Which is unlikely for the average guy (like most of us)!

The 500-1500 BF and 3000-4000 LT sounds like they are from the gogos.

Got lucky at soi 6 today and found a 19 yo gem. Too bad she had a child so she could not stay LT.

500 BF, 1000st at hotel and a drink for her 120.

Going to pick her up again tomorrow if I don't find very good LT girl tonight.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;2004175]What beer bars were asking 1500 for BF?[/QUOTE]I think it was one of the frog bars at WS.

Took a stroll down Chaloem Phrakiat 25 alley (very close to LK Metro) today at 6:30 pm today. Quite a few MP's on this street and some decent looking girls sprinkled throughout. For the budget inclined, pretty good value here if you can stand the environment (curtained off beds, dinghy shower / toilet etc.) FS is 1 K for the girl, and 200 for the house. I'd skip the massage if I were you. Stopped at #1 Massage and picked Pao. 21 YO, cute face (braces tho), nice body (no baby damage), nice be cup tits (I'm guessing fake, but they felt real enough to me). Service was adequate, which fits the budget price. Just enough BJ to get you going, then the hat goes on and it's off to the races. Good if you just want to bang one out which is what I was looking for. I'd recommend bringing your own condoms.

Also took a spin through LK Metro. Stopped at Rock House bar as a couple of girls caught my eye. Ended up buying an LD for Tip. 23 YO but could pass for 17. Wasn't really interested in ST but inquired as to prices. She asked 1500 for her and it's 600 for the house (BF / room fee). Rooms are upstairs so it's on site servicing. Zero spark w / Tip so will return to check out her friend another time.

Tried the pizza at Loaf (Soi Lengkee near Soi Buakhao) as it was recommended in an earlier post. Pretty good, but still prefer Bronx pizza. Pizza here is made to order so there's a bit of a wait. It's an 8" pie so maybe a bit too much food if you just want a quick bite. It's a little more expensive as well (200-270 baht) which makes sense given the portioning. Also closes at 10 pm as it's a bakery.

Anyone have any recommendations for places known for good service (DFK, Rim, good BJ etc.)? I'm finding it very hit or miss as far as beer bar girls and MP's go. Thanks.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004266]Anyone have any recommendations for places known for good service (DFK, Rim, good BJ etc.)? I'm finding it very hit or miss as far as beer bar girls and MP's go. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Suggest you consider Devils Den located in the LK Metro block. Basic format is 2 ladies 90 minutes 4000 baht PSE most anything goes style service. When you talk to the manager tell him what you are looking for (be specific) and he will advise the ladies.

Plenty of info about DD on the internet the place has been around for a while: [URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/[/URL].

SL.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004266]Took a stroll down Chaloem Phrakiat 25 alley (very close to LK Metro) today at 6:30 pm today. Quite a few MP's on this street and some decent looking girls sprinkled throughout. For the budget inclined, pretty good value here if you can stand the environment (curtained off beds, dinghy shower / toilet etc.) FS is 1 K for the girl, and 200 for the house. I'd skip the massage if I were you. Stopped at #1 Massage and picked Pao. 21 YO, cute face (braces tho), nice body (no baby damage), nice be cup tits (I'm guessing fake, but they felt real enough to me). Service was adequate, which fits the budget price. Just enough BJ to get you going, then the hat goes on and it's off to the races. Good if you just want to bang one out which is what I was looking for. I'd recommend bringing your own condoms. Snip.[/QUOTE]I don't know where #1 Massage is but the one I went to (on the right side, after Lollitas) was 1,000 bhat inclusive. 2nd time with the same girl (19 years old, cute, nice tits, lackluster service) was 1,500 BBFS.

Be careful on Soi 25 guys. I believe one of the MP's was recently busted for girls under 18.

Jive, some of the girls at nearby Xzyte club on Soi Xzyte may have provided good service. Same for Soi Full Love Inn. However, given the current situation of sex upstairs enter at own risk. Not even sure if they're currently open.

As for DD, are there prettier girls available than the ones on their site? Form my taste those are 'D' class girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2004433]As for DD, are there prettier girls available than the ones on their site? Form my taste those are 'D' class girls.[/QUOTE]The pictures of the girls on the website are not photoshopped or heavy glam so they are representative. As usual with natural pixs the ladies tend to look better in person.

For me looks pale in priorities when one lady is rimming me while the other is BBBJ DT CIM sucking me, or when I have one lady strap-on f**k the other in the sex swing.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2004389]Suggest you consider Devils Den located in the LK Metro block. Basic format is 2 ladies 90 minutes 4000 baht PSE most anything goes style service. When you talk to the manager tell him what you are looking for (be specific) and he will advise the ladies.

Plenty of info about DD on the internet the place has been around for a while: [URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/[/URL].

SL.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I'll consider checking it out, but I've read a few posts here saying it's not as good as before? I assume you need to take 2 ladies? I tried that out at Tulips in Bangkok, it was a good experience but the action gets a bit hectic for me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2004433]Be careful on Soi 25 guys. I believe one of the MP's was recently busted for girls under 18.[/QUOTE]Do you still get in trouble for these situations? I've been assuming that the MP / Club / Bar is responsible for verifying girls age. I've only been asking girls directly (not asking for ID or anything). I've been looking for girls just on either side of 20 as that is a new one for me. Most of the ladies I met in Bangkok were either side of 30.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2004433]Jive, some of the girls at nearby Xzyte club on Soi Xzyte may have provided good service. Same for Soi Full Love Inn. However, given the current situation of sex upstairs enter at own risk. Not even sure if they're currently open.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I took a walk down this street, but did not know it was Soi Xzyte. Seems to be a handful of MP's near Soi Buakhao but they peter out the farther you get up the street. Most places looked pretty empty when I passed by, but it was early. Around 730. Also hit up Soi Full Love Inn and checked out a couple of places. Did a report a few pages back. Club Sin guy told me girls are supposed to walk you down the street to hotel for ST, but Pirates seemed to still be on site servicing.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2004429]I don't know where #1 Massage is but the one I went to (on the right side, after Lollitas) was 1,000 bhat inclusive. 2nd time with the same girl (19 years old, cute, nice tits, lackluster service) was 1,500 BBFS.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the price info. Were you quoted 1 K for everything initially, or did you bargain it? I stopped by a different MP on that street a different day and was quoted the same price (1000 girl + 200 house). Assumed it was standard so didn't counter.

Got to Kinnaree today at about 1:30 pm. Taxi bike fare was 100 baht from Soi 13. Offered 80 but was shot down. Apparently this is their first day back open since at least Saturday (Guy93 reported they were closed that day). Girl told me that they have been closed for 5 days. The place was dead at 1:30 with just a handful of girls, mostly chatting among themselves. Saw only 2 other punters in there, mostly staff. Started buying drinks for Bebe (35 YO). She had enough English to hold a decent conversation and she started talking about the closures, police raids etc. And what I thought about them. Seems like no more ST on site. She also tells me maybe less girls come for now (since the closure), but unsure how long that will last. Not sure what kind of public action was OK before, but she told me nothing more than light pecks / kiss on cheek, and arm around the girl / hugging is OK. Looking around, that seemed to be the case. Not sure how girls dressed before, but the best I saw was tank top and tight jeans (no shorts).

Decided to take Bebe out for ST. Am quoted 1500ST but no BF. In hindsight, I really should have haggled this price due to age. Also find out she has no condoms (bring your own) as police will check girls bags. Anyways, no clue where ST hotel is around here and neither is she as this is a new thing. Private car taxi outside asks 200 fare to ST hotel. She negotiates 300 RT (gets their number for the trip back). I doubt the place we go to is the closest as it is pretty far - 3-5 minute drive. Definitely not a distance you want to walk with girl in tow. Hotel is so-so (forget the name) but the price is 100 baht / hour, with 200 baht deposit for room key.

Face is not as good in light, body worse than expected and so I decide to finish w / just BJ. Not sure if Kinnaree girls had kit before (lube, mouthwash, rubbers, etc.) but she had none on her, and that might have helped some. Head back to Kinnaree and it's 4 pm and more punters / girls. I see 2-3 that might be worth checking out but not with the hassle of getting a ride to ST hotel, no kit, etc.

Food was good (had fried rice w / chicken) and seemed like a fun place to drink, but I don't think worth the cost of the trip / hassle of ride to ST hotel with the options I have near Soi 13. Might take another look on Saturday for BBQ buffet if I can find anyone to hang w / for drinks and food, but otherwise I don't know that it's worth the trip.

Would appreciate insight from any others on this situation.

200 baht RT bike taxi + 1170 bar tab (4 LD's, 3 beers + 3 whiskey for me + fried rice) + 300 RT ST hotel, + 100ST hotel + 1500ST = 3,300 baht w / tip.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004558] Seems to be a handful of MP's near Soi Buakhao but they peter out the farther you get up the street. [/QUOTE]There are massage places all along Buakhao from Central to South Pattaya Road. If you have time to walk from Lengkee to South Pattaya Street (ie. Heading towards Walking Street) one night, it can be a rewarding night at times. One of the hottest girls I saw was at a MP at / near Hotel Dania but she wanted higher than gogo prices for FS so I regretfully passed. Then there are a few more along Central. Never went to them but passed buy some younger looking ones on Central near Basaya Beach hotel.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004622]. Might take another look on Saturday for BBQ buffet if I can find anyone to hang w / for drinks and food, but otherwise I don't know that it's worth the trip.

Would appreciate insight from any others on this situation.[/QUOTE] Kinnaree is dead on Mondays and Tuesdays. Saturday should be much busier but also a ton of guys there. Still may not be as good as normal. I know some Kinnaree girls still staying away until this raid stuff dies down.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004558]Do you still get in trouble for these situations? I've been assuming that the MP / Club / Bar is responsible for verifying girls age. I've only been asking girls directly (not asking for ID or anything). I've been looking for girls just on either side of 20 as that is a new one for me. Most of the ladies I met in Bangkok were either side of 30.[/QUOTE]

I'm just guessing but likely a lifetime ban from Thailand, if not jail time. Never trust small bars or massage joints. Always ask for ID if you think she is young. Part of the reason you want to stay in a hotel that takes ID cards is they will check the girl's age too. Beware when they say they don't have their ID card.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004559]Thanks for the price info. Were you quoted 1 K for everything initially, or did you bargain it? I stopped by a different MP on that street a different day and was quoted the same price (1000 girl + 200 house). Assumed it was standard so didn't counter.[/QUOTE]I have said many times that it is 1000 all in. Something I just realized the other day. I never really used wechat before but it seems that every chick that pops up on mine is trying to do massage and fuck for 1000. Then one girl told me she works on Soi Chayapoom. I had never put the shit together before, but since I live close to that Soi the app gives me all the chicks who are there working. I posted the other day a chick saying she does the regular massage, balls massage and prostate all for 1000. I told her that I didn't need prostate. She said that she could substitute it for a BJ. And all the chicks ask if I want them to come to me or if I want to go to their shop.

With all these raids ibar and rhe discos must be overflowing with chicks.

Anyone have a recent report to share?

They say the Chinese character for Crisis is same as the one for Opportunity. 555.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004547]Thanks. I'll consider checking it out, but I've read a few posts here saying it's not as good as before? I assume you need to take 2 ladies? I tried that out at Tulips in Bangkok, it was a good experience but the action gets a bit hectic for me.[/QUOTE]You can engage a solo Devils Den lady by either an incall Nuru massage (kinda overpriced IMO) or they will do outcall to your hotel. The website has the details.

Yes; DD can be hit or miss and is not everyone's cup of tea. I have had some [I]epic[/I] sessions there and some not as good. It really depends on chemistry like any other P4 P encounter. If I fancy a lady after doing a double incall I have occasionally repeated with her solo outcall since compatibility has been established.

Some punters are marathoners and prefer spending 12 hours LT with a lady. Some guys are sprinters content with the BJ bar experience. Different strokes. I prefer 1. 5 to 2 hour PSE 'throw down' type sessions as described by the Urban Dictionary:

[B]Throw Down[/B]

Usage: either as two words (throw down) or one (throwdown).

1. noun. Uncommon passion when having sex, making out, or some other form of sexual contact. Usually involves groping or aggression, sometimes growling, and varying degrees of being on the edge of losing self-control.

2. verb. To make something happen in a big way. To perform well, brilliantly, with virtuosity.

SL.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004547]Thanks. I'll consider checking it out, but I've read a few posts here saying it's not as good as before? [/QUOTE]Yes, for me it's not as good as before, been there many times between 2009 and 2012, nowadays is not worth the price. IMHO.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004547] I assume you need to take 2 ladies? [/QUOTE]Yes, 2 ladies or more for incall service. I think you can choose only one lady if you take the new nuru massage service, but not sure about this, check their website.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2004739]With all these raids ibar and rhe discos must be overflowing with chicks.

Anyone have a recent report to share?

They say the Chinese character for Crisis is same as the one for Opportunity. 555.[/QUOTE]Was at iBar and Insomnia from about 2-4 am tonight. Didn't notice any difference in the amount or quality of girls available compared to before the raids. Someone more familiar will probably have better insight.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2004703]I have said many times that it is 1000 all in.[/QUOTE]I will give that quote a try next time. Will report how it goes.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004559]Thanks for the price info. Were you quoted 1 K for everything initially, or did you bargain it? I stopped by a different MP on that street a different day and was quoted the same price (1000 girl + 200 house). Assumed it was standard so didn't counter.[/QUOTE]She started at 1200 but came down to 1000 total.

[QUOTE=Guy93;2004221]Got lucky at soi 6 today and found a 19 yo gem. Too bad she had a child so she could not stay LT.

500 BF, 1000st at hotel and a drink for her 120.

Going to pick her up again tomorrow if I don't find very good LT girl tonight.[/QUOTE]What use is this post to us. No name, no bar name, no nothing. Thanks.

O'bar, one of the first bars when you walk from 2nd road.

Girl's name is like Moy or Poy.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004814]Was at iBar and Insomnia from about 2-4 am tonight. Didn't notice any difference in the amount or quality of girls available compared to before the raids. Someone more familiar will probably have better insight.[/QUOTE]Wanted to add a little more detail here. Had just finished up a ST session and couldn't find my regular LT girl so just felt like dancing a bit. Did my normal routine where I just dance a circuit around the club going with the flow of traffic. As noted by some others, I think if you look like you're having a good time (smiling, dancing, moving around) you get more attention from the girls. Saw one who looked interesting and walked over, but she handed me off to her friend who was cute, but wasn't doing it for me. Tried catching original girl's eye on my next few passes but was pointedly ignored. LOL. Got invited to a table for some drinks with ladies, stopped for a bit, but the music was so loud couldn't have any kind of conversation so kept moving. At least 3-4 other girls gave me some grabs and looks as I walked past. Got to admit, the attention felt good.

Actually was considering some of the girls for ST, but didn't feel like lugging them all the way back to my hotel. Are there any decent ST hotels nearby? What are rates like?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2004697]There are massage places all along Buakhao from Central to South Pattaya Road. If you have time to walk from Lengkee to South Pattaya Street (ie. Heading towards Walking Street) one night, it can be a rewarding night at times. One of the hottest girls I saw was at a MP at / near Hotel Dania but she wanted higher than gogo prices for FS so I regretfully passed. Then there are a few more along Central. Never went to them but passed buy some younger looking ones on Central near Basaya Beach hotel.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I'll give that a try. Actually been enjoying all the walking as a bit of exercise and break from all the drinking. For some reason, I've only headed towards Central on Soi Buakhao form Lengkee but not the other way. When I circle back, I always end up headed down Soi Diana again.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2004697]Kinnaree is dead on Mondays and Tuesdays. Saturday should be much busier but also a ton of guys there. Still may not be as good as normal. I know some Kinnaree girls still staying away until this raid stuff dies down.[/QUOTE]After a bit more thought, I don't think I'll be returning. Having to deal with the trip there from Soi 13 and then taking a girl to a ST hotel not worth the hassle for me. Wish I could have experienced before all this happened.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2004697]I'm just guessing but likely a lifetime ban from Thailand, if not jail time. Never trust small bars or massage joints. Always ask for ID if you think she is young. Part of the reason you want to stay in a hotel that takes ID cards is they will check the girl's age too. Beware when they say they don't have their ID card.[/QUOTE]Duly noted. As I mentioned previously, I've been leaning towards younger girls here, as that is not really an option for me back home. I'd forgotten how much of a turn on youth can be. Just on either side of 20 seems to be the sweet spot for me. I'll be more careful going forward. Do you think places like LK Metro are relatively safe, or better to always ask ID no matter where?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2004740]Some punters are marathoners and prefer spending 12 hours LT with a lady. Some guys are sprinters content with the BJ bar experience. Different strokes. I prefer 1. 5 to 2 hour PSE 'throw down' type sessions... .[/QUOTE]What I'm finding great here is the variety of action easily available. Sometimes I want MP joint, sometimes beer bar girls, PSE, ST, LT etc. Lot of different experiences to sample and enjoy.

One thing hard to find is BDSM. I tried out Demonia in BKK (see report in that forum if interested) and heard about the Castle here in Pattaya but haven't seen much reporting on it. Anyone have any experience there? I'll likely give it a go and submit a report before my time here is up, but wanted to get some info if possible.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004814]Was at iBar and Insomnia from about 2-4 am tonight. Didn't notice any difference in the amount or quality of girls available compared to before the raids. Someone more familiar will probably have better insight.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I hope you had some luck there))).

Read an earlier post suggesting Kamagra Jelly was worth a try, so stopped by a couple of pharmacies asking for it. Was told by the first one that they were out of stock and likely no one had it as there is currently no supply. Not sure exactly why, but she didn't know when they might have some again. Tried two more pharmacies and they were OOS as well. Settled for a 4-pack (100 MG) of Indian made Sidegra for 350 baht. Was told price is 300 if I buy two.

Took half a pill and was sporting a half-chub for the rest of the night. Seems to work pretty good.

Just found an earlier post saying that Fascino pharmacy (South Pattaya St, short walk south past 2nd Road) should have the same Sidegra 4-pack for 180 baht. Will give that a try later today.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004938]Wanted to add a little more detail here. Had just finished up a ST session and couldn't find my regular LT girl so just felt like dancing a bit. Did my normal routine where I just dance a circuit around the club going with the flow of traffic. As noted by some others, I think if you look like you're having a good time (smiling, dancing, moving around) you get more attention from the girls. Saw one who looked interesting and walked over, but she handed me off to her friend who was cute, but wasn't doing it for me. Tried catching original girl's eye on my next few passes but was pointedly ignored. LOL. Got invited to a table for some drinks with ladies, stopped for a bit, but the music was so loud couldn't have any kind of conversation so kept moving. At least 3-4 other girls gave me some grabs and looks as I walked past. Got to admit, the attention felt good.

Actually was considering some of the girls for ST, but didn't feel like lugging them all the way back to my hotel. Are there any decent ST hotels nearby? What are rates like?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes, Oasis on Soi Happy is very decent. Clean, mirrors everywhere, toilet separate from shower, impressive decor. Rate is slightly below 500 Baht.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004953]One thing hard to find is BDSM. I tried out Demonia in BKK (see report in that forum if interested) and heard about the Castle here in Pattaya but haven't seen much reporting on it. Anyone have any experience there? I'll likely give it a go and submit a report before my time here is up, but wanted to get some info if possible.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]The last ISG report regarding The Castle that I recall was #20107 posted by FaceCushion back in July 2016 (cut & pasted it below).

[B]The Castle. Pattaya.[/B]

Was looking for some BDSM options in Pattaya and only found this one. Damages were steep, but such fantasies come at a cost. Spent around 7 K for 1. 5 HR with two mistresses, cummed twice.

The place was itself little off from the walking street or from any 'action' in Pattaya, anyways navigated my way to the "dungeon". I was expecting it to be in some shady corner, but it was boldly situated on a busy road. Rang the bell and was greeted by a lady who told me about the entry fees (900 baht for entry and beer). After agreeing to this, was let in. The place was very dimly lit (kind of a Gothic feel). I was the only customer there, got all the attention. Sat down for a beer. The girls were the same as they have on their website, no surprises there. Six girls (four slaves / two mistresses, probably everyone they had) started the demo for me to select the girls from. Wax torture, spanking / flogging / bondage etc. Picked up both the mistresses for 1. 5 HR session. Total damage asked was 6. 8 K baht (including entry). Wasn't in mood for negotiation, agreed promptly. They showed me around asking to choose the place for the action and then talked about my fetishes. They had all sorts of props / cells you would expect in a dungeon. Went for a 'vanilla' room. Quickly showered and then the women took over. Tied me to the bed, they were over me for the remaining time, face sitting / trampling / choking / HJ. The second HJ became rather rough, but was well worth it.

SL.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004953]
One thing hard to find is BDSM. I tried out Demonia in BKK (see report in that forum if interested) and heard about the Castle here in Pattaya but haven't seen much reporting on it. Anyone have any experience there? I'll likely give it a go and submit a report before my time here is up, but wanted to get some info if possible. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I been at The Castle Twice, and both times I never found what I wanted, waste 900 baht for entry fee with drink, watch the show, talk with mamasan and leave. Expensive and service from the slave was very limited. Maybe for who looking for Mistress could be better.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004976]Read an earlier post suggesting Kamagra Jelly was worth a try, so stopped by a couple of pharmacies asking for it. Was told by the first one that they were out of stock and likely no one had it as there is currently no supply. Not sure exactly why, but she didn't know when they might have some again. Tried two more pharmacies and they were OOS as well. Settled for a 4-pack (100 MG) of Indian made Sidegra for 350 baht. Was told price is 300 if I buy two.

Took half a pill and was sporting a half-chub for the rest of the night. Seems to work pretty good.

Just found an earlier post saying that Fascino pharmacy (South Pattaya St, short walk south past 2nd Road) should have the same Sidegra 4-pack for 180 baht. Will give that a try later today.[/QUOTE]I find it for 200 baht in Bangkok. You do not need to track it down, you need to bargain. If they don't come down to 200 or 180 walk out the door to the next one.

I went to the Ibar / Insomnia and saw some promising prospects but did not open them. Then at Sensations, one girl caught my eye and I invited her for a 150 Baht lady drink after her dance. She looked kind of Chinese, although she was just Thai. It may have been her hair cut, very square in front and long hair all around. No tattoos, A-cup tits, skin only slightly darker than a white person, pretty tall for a Thai girl (I would guess 1 m61). Maybe 25 years old.

She said her name was Plui or Pluey, which means fat, and she just laughed because she was one of the skinniest girls I've had. Her English was decent, although I had trouble explaining to her the concept of a BBBJ. Barfine was 1000 and she asked 3000 for short-time but accepted by 2500 counter-offer. I took her to Oasis on Soi Happy.

Her body was just unbelievable. I like slim girls. I started by fingering her, because I've had Sensations girl throw a bad vibe of boredom before, so I wanted to make sure she felt involved in the interaction. I think she wanted DATY but I don't do that. Still I managed to get her wet. Then I banged her in 5 or 6 positions, finishing in missionary. She was compliant and made some efforts to get me excited. I didn't feel rushed. Not a great bang, but not a starfish-level disaster either. In the end I came hard, mostly from looking at her great body.

Would I repeat? No. I like girls who are a bit more into me. Would I recommend? Mostly for those who love girls with a great body, and especially for those who like DATY.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2005326]She looked kind of Chinese, although she was just Thai.[/QUOTE]Thai of Chinese ancestry probably. Some of the richest people in Thailand are of such. Maybe you have heard of the Leng Kee family, who seem to own everything around this mf.

[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Chinese[/url]

Each 180 baht? You can find it at 900 bht / box along Suk. Got 5 boxes for even less last October, 4 k baht in all.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2005280]I find it for 200 baht in Bangkok. You do not need to track it down, you need to bargain. If they don't come down to 200 or 180 walk out the door to the next one.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2005326]I went to the Ibar / Insomnia and saw some promising prospects but did not open them. Then at Sensations, one girl caught my eye and I invited her for a 150 Baht lady drink after her dance. She looked kind of Chinese, although she was just Thai. It may have been her hair cut, very square in front and long hair all around. No tattoos, A-cup tits, skin only slightly darker than a white person, pretty tall for a Thai girl (I would guess 1 m61). Maybe 25 years old.

She said her name was Plui or Pluey, which means fat, and she just laughed because she was one of the skinniest girls I've had. Her English was decent, although I had trouble explaining to her the concept of a BBBJ. Barfine was 1000 and she asked 3000 for short-time but accepted by 2500 counter-offer. I took her to Oasis on Soi Happy.

Her body was just unbelievable. I like slim girls. I started by fingering her, because I've had Sensations girl throw a bad vibe of boredom before, so I wanted to make sure she felt involved in the interaction. I think she wanted DATY but I don't do that. Still I managed to get her wet. Then I banged her in 5 or 6 positions, finishing in missionary. She was compliant and made some efforts to get me excited. I didn't feel rushed. Not a great bang, but not a starfish-level disaster either. In the end I came hard, mostly from looking at her great body.

Would I repeat? No. I like girls who are a bit more into me. Would I recommend? Mostly for those who love girls with a great body, and especially for those who like DATY.[/QUOTE]There is a Huge difference between Plui and Pui. Pom Pui means big, overweight or fat. I guess she laughed about another farang that misunderstand.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2005280]I find it for 200 baht in Bangkok. You do not need to track it down, you need to bargain. If they don't come down to 200 or 180 walk out the door to the next one.[/QUOTE]I offered 300, was told I needed to buy 2 to get that price. I'll bet I would have got it if I started to walk, but oh well. Stopped by a Fascino and they have them for 180 baht, no haggling required.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2005120]Yes, Oasis on Soi Happy is very decent. Clean, mirrors everywhere, toilet separate from shower, impressive decor. Rate is slightly below 500 Baht.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I'll give them a try. Still haven't pulled a FL girl from the club, definitely on my to do list.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2005154]The last ISG report regarding The Castle that I recall was #20107 posted by FaceCushion back in July 2016 (cut & pasted it below).[/QUOTE]Thanks. That's the one I saw. Was hoping for something more current regarding quality of lineup, number of slaves etc. I'll be sure to write something up if I check it out.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2005171]I been at The Castle Twice, and both times I never found what I wanted, waste 900 baht for entry fee with drink, watch the show, talk with mamasan and leave. Expensive and service from the slave was very limited. Maybe for who looking for Mistress could be better.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm guessing the Castle is pretty similar to Demonia in BKK (limited). Only interested in trying a slave again. Still might be worthwhile if I'm in the mood for a repeat experience, but girl would need to be more attractive than what I had in BKK. How was the slave lineup as far as looks / body / age etc?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2004964]Thanks! I hope you had some luck there))).[/QUOTE]Unfortunately not, but that was due to me being picky and a bit tired (just finished an ST session before I went). Definitely something I want to try at least once before I go though.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004947]Thanks, I'll give that a try. Actually been enjoying all the walking as a bit of exercise and break from all the drinking. For some reason, I've only headed towards Central on Soi Buakhao form Lengkee but not the other way. When I circle back, I always end up headed down Soi Diana again.

After a bit more thought, I don't think I'll be returning. Having to deal with the trip there from Soi 13 and then taking a girl to a ST hotel not worth the hassle for me. Wish I could have experienced before all this happened.

Duly noted. As I mentioned previously, I've been leaning towards younger girls here, as that is not really an option for me back home. I'd forgotten how much of a turn on youth can be. Just on either side of 20 seems to be the sweet spot for me. I'll be more careful going forward. Do you think places like LK Metro are relatively safe, or better to always ask ID no matter where?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT THEIR AGE, ASK. It helps if you can read Thai, too.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004976]Read an earlier post suggesting Kamagra Jelly was worth a try, so stopped by a couple of pharmacies asking for it. Was told by the first one that they were out of stock and likely no one had it as there is currently no supply. Not sure exactly why, but she didn't know when they might have some again. Tried two more pharmacies and they were OOS as well. Settled for a 4-pack (100 MG) of Indian made Sidegra for 350 baht. Was told price is 300 if I buy two.

Took half a pill and was sporting a half-chub for the rest of the night. Seems to work pretty good.

Just found an earlier post saying that Fascino pharmacy (South Pattaya St, short walk south past 2nd Road) should have the same Sidegra 4-pack for 180 baht. Will give that a try later today.[/QUOTE]There is also a Fascino on South Pattaya road maybe 50 meters from the school fence toward Suk on the side of the road with the school (that's the south side).

[QUOTE=Dinghy;2005457]IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT THEIR AGE, ASK. It helps if you can read Thai, too.[/QUOTE]You can always ask to see her ID for yourself. The year 2017 in the western Gregorian calendar equals 2560 in the Buddhist calendar. And in Thailand the dates are commonly expressed in DDMMYYYY format.

The Hotel staff can more easily judge if an ID looks legitimate or looks fake. No way to fully determine if it is actually her ID or that of a similar looking friend or sister, but if in doubt doing some due diligence to cover your bases (and conscience) is always best practice.

SL.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2005381]How was the slave lineup as far as looks / body / age etc?[/QUOTE]Line up was not so good, but last time I been there 4 years ago. Don't know about the current line up.

[QUOTE=Deeepster;2005355]There is a Huge difference between Plui and Pui. Pom Pui means big, overweight or fat. I guess she laughed about another farang that misunderstand.[/QUOTE]Well, I'm not an expert on transliteration. But if I go by what you say, then her name is Pui indeed.

What happened is that, after she said her name, I tried to repeat it, but was not very successful. Maybe it came across as Bpueeey. It was clear I had no clue.

Then, to be helpful, she said "Pui as in Pom Pui". Obviously I understood Pom Pui, I mean, everybody does. Then I looked her up and down with incredulous eyes because she was clearly not big, overweight or fat, and her go-go bar outfit left very little to the imagination. That's what made her laugh. These girls have a sense of humor.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2005470]You can always ask to see her ID for yourself. The year 2017 in the western Gregorian calendar equals 2560 in the Buddhist calendar. And in Thailand the dates are commonly expressed in DDMMYYYY format.

The Hotel staff can more easily judge if an ID looks legitimate or looks fake. No way to fully determine if it is actually her ID or that of a similar looking friend or sister, but if in doubt doing some due diligence to cover your bases (and conscience) is always best practice.

SL.[/QUOTE]Not to mention that many places take it and keep it until she leaves.

Took the walk down Soi Buakhao from Soi Lengkhee to South Pattaya road as was recommended earlier. The road winds quite a bit, and there is little to no sidewalk so be forewarned. I'm always a bit jumpy on these roads as I've been getting constantly buzzed by bikes and cars coming from my blind side. I came across many MP's and Beer Bars along the way but unfortunately, nothing caught my interest. I did find a vendor selling bugs (fried grasshoppers and other assorted insects) which I decided to try. 40 baht a bag, had the grasshoppers / crickets. Had to close my eyes eating the first few, but after a couple they were no problem. A bit oily, but crunchy and tasty.

As noted previously, I found a Fascino pharmacy on S Pattaya road that has 100 MG 4-packs of Sidegra for 180 baht. No haggling required.

This is a bit out of order, but I found a girl I thought attractive at Rock House in LK Metro (beer bar). A cute 23 YO (Tip) that I had passed by a few times before. One of those chicks lost in her phone most of the time and a bit juvenile for my tastes. She was however, cute and had that white look which I don't normally go for, but since I've been having a steady diet of dark skinned girls I was looking for a change and decided to give her a try. ST = 1 K and bar fine + room upstairs was 600. On site servicing which was a little surprising given the current state of things. I think the LD was 120 or 150.

I won't quite say starfish, but service was poor IMO. Didn't want to kiss, 10 second BBBJ (only because I coaxed her into it), etc. Etc. Once we got going, she seemed to put a bit of effort into it, but I definitely wouldn't repeat. I think she gets a lot of customers at the bar based on her looks / cuteness. Oh well. I *knew* this was going to happen going in based on previous chats with her, but decided to give it a try anyways. What a dumbass. LOL.

Came across a girl at Angie Bar at the end of Lengkhee road near 3rd street. Not the kind of looks most would be into, she is very dark skinned, mohawk haircut, black lipstick, covered in tattoos, fishnet stockings etc. Goth punk look which is intriguing to me as I have not seen that much in Thailand. Bought her an LD and talked a bit (via translation app as she has little English) and felt we hit it off pretty good. Told her I'd hit her up on Line for ST tomorrow as I was meeting a friend for drinks in a bit. Will post on my experience later.

After a few drinks was planning to call it a night, but only have a few days left so decided to head to Insomnia and see if I can find an FL that suits me. If anything worth reporting, will post accordingly.

Headed out to iBar / Insomnia tonight at about 2 am. Walked from Soi 13 to check out the Beach Road FL scene. Appears to be dead. I see less than half the amount of girls now as last Tuesday when I arrived. Am guessing it has to do with the crackdown? I see a few more girls across the street hanging out by the motorbikes. Figure I'll pass through on the way back if I don't find a girl.

Insomnia is relatively empty tonight. Much less crowded than any other night I've been there at 2 am. Handful of good looking girls, but all the ones I am interested in seem to be taken. Also notice that there seems to be a lot more guys than girls. Decide to head down to iBar.

Looks like iBar is the winner tonight so far as hot girls. Take a few passes through, but no luck. Either girl is taken, is not interested, or as I chat her up I notice she's not as hot as I thought and lose interest. Smoke is bugging me (much worse at Insomnia though). I'm getting more and more irritable so decide to head out.

Walk down BR on the opposite side of the beach to check out the FL's. There seems to be less of them than when I was headed towards WS earlier. None worth stopping for.

Anyone familiar with the BR FL scene care to comment on the current state of things?

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2005348]Each 180 baht? You can find it at 900 bht / box along Suk. Got 5 boxes for even less last October, 4 k baht in all.[/QUOTE]I do not know about jelly. My comment was about the price of a box of 4 Sidenfel, 100 MG per tablet.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2005612]Anyone familiar with the BR FL scene care to comment on the current state of things?[/QUOTE]For one it seems like you are going too late. I have ridden past around 12 on a couple of nights the past week and saw plenty. Try the area between Pattaya Klang and Royal Garden Mall. Also many look at Beach Rd chicks as skanks when the opposite is true. Many BR chicks have normal jobs and will go there after work. Because they have normal jobs they are not able to sit in a bar all day or go hang out in a disco all night. If you sit at the drinkmobile on Beach Road for a few hours you will see a chick pull up and park her bike, go with a couple of customers, then leave to go home. A lot of them have to be at work in the morning, so if you are going through at 2 and 3 am you have missed out on them. The place has died down by then. Two nights ago my buddy did leave us at the disco at 4 am and was able to find him something on BR though. So YMMV.

The BR crackdown was on Africans and ladyboys. My girlfriend works at a hotel and she said 2 of the African chicks staying there got busted. The police kept calling the hotel checking on the one that did not have the proper visa because they had told her she had to leave the country. She did leave while the other one that had the proper paperwork did not have any problems.

Tuesday when my girl made dinner for me and my friend I saw the first nonsurgeried Colombian that I have seen in Thailand. Are the Colombians still hanging out at Mixx? My buddy met one on a chat app the other day and the silly girl told him 8000 baht when he could fuck her cousin in Colombia for $13.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2005699]For one it seems like you are going too late. I have ridden past around 12 on a couple of nights the past week and saw plenty. Try the area between Pattaya Klang and Royal Garden Mall. Also many look at Beach Rd chicks as skanks when the opposite is true. Many BR chicks have normal jobs and will go there after work. Because they have normal jobs they are not able to sit in a bar all day or go hang out in a disco all night. If you sit at the drinkmobile on Beach Road for a few hours you will see a chick pull up and park her bike, go with a couple of customers, then leave to go home. A lot of them have to be at work in the morning, so if you are going through at 2 and 3 am you have missed out on them. The place has died down by then. Two nights ago my buddy did leave us at the disco at 4 am and was able to find him something on BR though. So YMMV.[/QUOTE]Ah, I had made the assumption that the FL's on BR got better later at night (similar to the Discos). I think I had read some posts about guys pulling some gems there pretty late and assumed that was a good time. Will take a look earlier next time.

Thanks.

Hi,

Would be in Pattaya for 2 nights on a Friday and Saturday this month. Traveling single. Would be free 8 pm onwards. This is first time. Few queries if you could guide. PM is also active.

1. Must visit places and must do things.

2. Places which do not entertain Indians even though single.

3. Which is better MP. Devils den, Honey1 MP, Rasputin MP.

4. For soppy massage, is Sabai better. Also if visited MP, than does it make sense for soppy massage.

5. Moulin rouge? Is it worth visiting.

6. Kinnarie? It it worth going.

Any other suggestions.

I know would not be able to do all these in 2 nights (nor would have stamina &#128540 but suggest the best.

Does anyone here have any experience using Lifecare Lab in Pattaya for STD testing? Just wondering if anyone here can vouch for them. They were recommended on a non mongering expat site for general lab work and have great prices. Posted this under the Safe Sex thread also. Sorry for the double post, little time sensitive.

Thanks guys!

Wishlist,

Kinnaree is out it closes at 7 pm.

Never been but I am pretty certain Moulin Rouge on Walking Street will not be worth it!

Just walk around the 4 large soapies, Sabai Dee, Sabai Resort, Honey 2, and Rasputin. They are all close to one another. Find the girl you think is the hottest. It's a crap shoot in those places.

There is an "Advice for Indians" thread in the Blog section.

[QUOTE=Deori;2005787]Does anyone here have any experience using Lifecare Lab in Pattaya for STD testing? Just wondering if anyone here can vouch for them. They were recommended on a non mongering expat site for general lab work and have great prices. Posted this under the Safe Sex thread also. Sorry for the double post, little time sensitive.

Thanks guys![/QUOTE]Online search reveals quite a bit of info. Wondering if you are still waiting for someone to vouch for them? Please report back if you use them. Not your results but level of service.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2005725]Ah, I had made the assumption that the FL's on BR got better later at night (similar to the Discos). I think I had read some posts about guys pulling some gems there pretty late and assumed that was a good time. Will take a look earlier next time.[/QUOTE]Took Mr Enternationals advice and headed down to BR to scope the freelancer scene about 10:30 pm tonight. Walked down to about Tipp plaza and got a 55 baht draft Heineken and watched the action on the beach side. Many more ladies than last time and fun to watch the negotiations and guys making the circuit back and forth. Not sure what one girl was asking, but the dude held up 1 finger and when she shook her head repeatedly he went to 2 and she still passed. Maybe 2 K LT? After I finished my beer I crossed the street and started to browse.

Girl who passed on 2 did not appeal to me so I kept going. Many young and pretty girls. After a few passes, I settle on one who is right across Soi 13 and flashes me the best smile. Name is Fei (20 YO) from Surin. She is paler than most Surin girls I've met before (bit of a Chinese look), but I've had good luck with them so was very hopeful. She asks 1 K ST and I accept. She says she is only here for a week or so to make some money and then is headed back to University. Her English is surprisingly good and basic conversation is possible.

Shower, and once we get in the sack however it's all business. Light kisses only. Quick BJ to get me going (not much needed as the 1/2 Sidegra I took earlier had already done the job) and it's off to the races. I decide I'm good with that as unless she's into it and so long as the equipment is ready, why waste time trying to warm her up? I pound away to my hearts content and we're done inside 30 minutes total.

Soft be-cup tits, bit of baby fat on belly (no baby damage though) rest of body is nice tight flesh, cute face but not beautiful. Decent time, but probably not a repeat for me.

She asked for tip before heading out, when I pointed out we'd spent less than 30 minutes, she started poking through the change on the desk and asked if 20 baht was OK. Bit of a turn off but sure, why not?

[QUOTE=WishList15;2005778]Would be in Pattaya for 2 nights on a Friday and Saturday this month. Traveling single. Would be free 8 pm onwards....[/QUOTE]Been here about 10 days now (first trip for me as well) and have only tried Kinnaree from your list. As already pointed out, it closes before you are available so you can cross that off. Would not advise regardless, as you now have to travel off-site to ST hotel and was not worth the hassle for me.

Would be helpful if you specify what you are looking for ST or LT? Action at your hotel or on site? GFE, PSE, etc. So many girls and options here, hard to recommend otherwise. If you are looking for beauties where you can look at bodies before selecting, go-go's are probably your best bet although a bit pricier. The soapies you mentioned might also work best for you as you can easily browse the selection and should be guaranteed a certain level of service. Honey 1/2 has 'concierge' where you can get specific info as to what services are on the menu and you can let them know what you are looking for and get a recommendation.

If you have very specific requirements, it may require a bit of research and luck to find what you want. If you just want to bang pretty girls, that is very easily done. Hope you find what you are looking for. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2005571]Came across a girl at Angie Bar at the end of Lengkhee road near 3rd street. Not the kind of looks most would be into, she is very dark skinned, mohawk haircut, black lipstick, covered in tattoos, fishnet stockings etc. Goth punk look which is intriguing to me as I have not seen that much in Thailand. Bought her an LD and talked a bit (via translation app as she has little English) and felt we hit it off pretty good. Told her I'd hit her up on Line for ST tomorrow as I was meeting a friend for drinks in a bit. Will post on my experience later.[/QUOTE]Hit punk girl up on Line today for afternoon ST. Kanlaya 29 YO, 2 kids (7 and 4). Arrange to meet for 3:30 pm this afternoon at hotel. 1 K baht. Threw in another 80 for motorbike taxi. For first timers, I highly recommend getting Line installed and getting girls contact info for daytime action. Easy to arrange delivery and no BF (maybe throw in something for transportation). Expected baby damage given 2 kids, and was not disappointed. LOL. Nothing too bad, but can be a bit surprising given how good everything looks w / clothes on. Pretty good service, and like her punk look but definitely no punk attitude. Standard shy Thai girl, but with a bit of warming up, decent service. Had a good time, but she wanted to stick around a bit longer than I would have liked. Nap together after (which was fine, as I needed one), but wanted to get food after. Didn't give me any issue when I declined (only some sad face).

I'm guessing she doesn't get many customers given the bar location, her type of look, and age. Made me start wondering what the customer hit rate for these girls actually is? I know will vary by venue (go-go, beer bar girl, MP, location etc.) but am starting to think about how low it may be for some girls given the sheer number of them. Would appreciate any insight on this from the experienced members here if only to satisfy my own curiosity.

Thanks.

Yesterday I left Thailand after my three weeks holiday.

I met 21 times with 17 different girls which may be alright number but definitely not what I expected. The hottest girls in my opinion did not want to come with me, were already taken or quoted very high prices. Some girls who I picked up offered poor service. I found basic communication quite hard with average thai girl. One girl had hygiene issues.

My 5 LT experiences were not so successful and it was always two fucks instead of three. One girl did not even allow second time in the morning.

People tell Thailand is best for a part time GF like one week together, but I did not had that kind of experience so can't speak of it.

I like western girls looks and service much more anyway, so I don't think I'm coming back to Thailand unless I come with a GF.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2005725]Ah, I had made the assumption that the FL's on BR got better later at night (similar to the Discos). I think I had read some posts about guys pulling some gems there pretty late and assumed that was a good time. Will take a look earlier next time. [/QUOTE]These days IMO best to go to BR about 30 minutes before sunset. A bit cooler; and when some ladies start arriving for the night. Easier to judge appearances when it is light out.

As the night goes on the numbers increase but at that point the LB's are out in force; some say it gets up to 50% of what is on offer. If they are in the shadows and barely visible there is a reason for that.

SL.

I went to Happy A-go-go, then Insomnia / I-bar, then Beach Road, but did not find what I wanted.

Out of desperation, I went to Soi Honey and some girl from Paradise Massage basically jumped at me. She was cute, short, so I went upstairs with her. She quoted 1400 for full service.

It was the usual scene: dingy shower, mattresses separated by a flimsy curtain. I could hear some guy next to me pleasuring his hooker at length, which was oddly enough kind of a turn-on. I didn't waste any time on a so-called massage, and Homey went straight for the hand-job, which she does very well. BBBJ was OK, then I banged her in all sorts of positions. I decided to finish off with the hand job, as this was her best skill. It worked out very well. All in all, I am quite pleased with myself.

I recommend Paradise as a sure-fire "Plan be" in case the usual attractions fail to deliver. And Homey in particular is quite cheerful and sexy.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2006032]She quoted 1400 for full service.[/QUOTE]Paradise and Up to You beside it should never be more than 1000 boom boom plus 200 door fee. The same should apply to any massage place on Soi Honey except Honey 1.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2005916]I'm guessing she doesn't get many customers given the bar location, her type of look, and age. Made me start wondering what the customer hit rate for these girls actually is? I know will vary by venue (go-go, beer bar girl, MP, location etc.) but am starting to think about how low it may be for some girls given the sheer number of them. Would appreciate any insight on this from the experienced members here if only to satisfy my own curiosity.[/QUOTE]Unless she is a stunner or model and working in a busy agogo or Soi 6 bar, I would be surprised if on the average she manages better than one ST every other day.

That's (one of) the reasons, I think, why most are quite happy to offer LT for only a little extra. They know quite well that the chances to get another engagement that evening will be very slim.

[QUOTE=Guy93;2005954]

People tell Thailand is best for a part time GF like one week together, but I did not had that kind of experience so can't speak of it.
.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but you came to the party way too late! The glory days are long gone. You can still pick up some scraps here and there, however.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2006124]Unless she is a stunner or model and working in a busy agogo or Soi 6 bar, I would be surprised if on the average she manages better than one ST every other day.
That's (one of) the reasons, I think, why most are quite happy to offer LT for only a little extra. They know quite well that the chances to get another engagement that evening will be very slim.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. It's kind of what I thought, and that I would get enthusiastic service in an effort to get me to repeat, but session was a bit underwhelming so decided against. She did offer BB without me asking and I was a bit surprised. Declined, but got me wondering if these girls are using any birth control. Guess not in this case w / 2 kids already.

[QUOTE=WishList15;2005778]Hi,

Would be in Pattaya for 2 nights on a Friday and Saturday this month. Traveling single. Would be free 8 pm onwards. This is first time. Few queries if you could guide. PM is also active.

1. Must visit places and must do things.

2. Places which do not entertain Indians even though single.

3. Which is better MP. Devils den, Honey1 MP, Rasputin MP.

4. For soppy massage, is Sabai better. Also if visited MP, than does it make sense for soppy massage.

5. Moulin rouge? Is it worth visiting.

6. Kinnarie? It it worth going.

Any other suggestions.

I know would not be able to do all these in 2 nights (nor would have stamina &#128540 but suggest the best.[/QUOTE]To answer briefly:

1. You must, of course, visit Walking Street and numerous GoGo bars and beer bars.

2. I have not come across any place which do not entertain Indians. Who told you this? Unruly crowd get turned down from Go Go bars but it is not only with Indian youngsters but also from other countries like Australia etc.

3. Finally read the pages below and come to the conclusion which ones are better!

[QUOTE=Guy93;2005954]People tell Thailand is best for a part time GF like one week together, but I did not had that kind of experience so can't speak of it.

I like western girls looks and service much more anyway, so I don't think I'm coming back to Thailand unless I come with a GF.[/QUOTE]In my experience the part time GF happened only with freelancers, and then it is most likely to happen with average girls. This is not something you will find in Soi 6 if you cannot speak Thai. And the experience is not that great unless you find a girl that is willing to fuck eight times a day. They will also bring some kind of drama and a lot of bullshits that you might not want to hear in your few weeks of holidays. I think you've done the best thing to take a lot of girls, try many kind of places. There are still oilies and soapys in Bangkok that are worth it, I don't even try to meet any freelancers when I'm there as many of them are a real pain in the arse. Thailand is still good if you try to learn their language and regarding the look of their girls I also didn't like them very much in my first trip, but then I got used to the kind of faces we see there, and now if I had to chose between an average western girl or an average Thai girl, I would surely chose the Thai girl. My advice would be to give it another chance (alone, without your GF) in a few months or years as you might experience something different. Also, by reading your posts you might be a guy that try to meet the real pretty ones. Real pretty girls are very few in Thailand, especially in Pattaya and they are most likely to give the baddest services, so you would also have to lower your expectations and try to meet cute ones instead.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2006032]I recommend Paradise as a sure-fire "Plan be" in case the usual attractions fail to deliver.[/QUOTE]Yes it's true that there are some doable girls at any time there, and the price is low also (as stated by Banana Boy an Mr Enternational I don't think it should be more than 1 K or 1200 Baht, I think I paid 1 K during my only visit there, 800 for the girl and 200 for the room and some of their girls were better looking than the ones that were hanging at Insomnia at that time), but I had the feeling that the mattress sheet was maybe not very clean. I was little bit afraid to catch any skin infection. Might be better to take the girl to a nearby ST room. Are there any well know ST rooms nearby?

[QUOTE=Guy93;2005954]Yesterday I left Thailand after my three weeks holiday.

I met 21 times with 17 different girls which may be alright number but definitely not what I expected. The hottest girls in my opinion did not want to come with me, were already taken or quoted very high prices. Some girls who I picked up offered poor service. I found basic communication quite hard with average thai girl. One girl had hygiene issues.

My 5 LT experiences were not so successful and it was always two fucks instead of three. One girl did not even allow second time in the morning.

People tell Thailand is best for a part time GF like one week together, but I did not had that kind of experience so can't speak of it.

I like western girls looks and service much more anyway, so I don't think I'm coming back to Thailand unless I come with a GF.[/QUOTE]Could be a newbie thing. I recently went to South Korea as a total solo foreigner for P4 P and it sucked LOL. Girls here are too xenophobic to provide sexual services to foreigners. Even if they do, it's really mechanical / clinical / fast.

So I am not eager to visit ibar, I can arrive at anytime. I won't exactly have a lot of time so getting there at the right time is kind of important (eg: Let's say I can only sneak out for 1-2 hours). I have been to Insomnia too early before and it was really boring, waiting for any decent P4 P girls to arrive. But when they do arrive, it's by the boatload!

So anyway, what is the best time to get to Insomnia / Ibar? I reckon it's 2 AM or 2:30 AM but I was just wondering what others thought. I kind of want to maximize on the limited time I have (work obligations).

Personal favorites.

As a newbie, I've realized that to RTFF can be a misleading if not confusing. Since a lot of us rely on FR's that are submitted by senior mongers, let's try to summarize a template that can potentially help out fellow ISGians find some great action in Bangkok. If you have ever had a good time in this land, copy this template and paste it with your personal answers. Hope this helps out people find exactly what they are looking for.

Best Girl GoGo bar:

Best Party Club for Dancing:

Best Party Club for Freelancers:

Best Girl Freelancer Soi:

Best BJ Bar:

Best Place for 3 Some:

Best Happy Ending Massage Place:

Best Nuru / Soapie Masssage Place:

Best GF Hotel:

Best Escort Agency.

Thanks BadDuck for asking this question in Bkk thread, I m repeating it for Pattaya and Phuket.

Experienced guys please share your favorites in this template so we can all benefit.

I m visiting next week to will add FLs of suggestions by everyone's.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2006312]So I am not eager to visit ibar, I can arrive at anytime. I won't exactly have a lot of time so getting there at the right time is kind of important (eg: Let's say I can only sneak out for 1-2 hours). I have been to Insomnia too early before and it was really boring, waiting for any decent P4 P girls to arrive. But when they do arrive, it's by the boatload!

So anyway, what is the best time to get to Insomnia / Ibar? I reckon it's 2 AM or 2:30 AM but I was just wondering what others thought. I kind of want to maximize on the limited time I have (work obligations).[/QUOTE]I found about 2-2:30 to have the most girls on average (the most crowded in general). Have seen reports that go-go girls will start coming in 4-5 am but have not stuck around that long to confirm. I did see many girls headed in that direction as I was headed back to hotel on WS around 4 am one night, but I was too tired at that point and didn't want to head back to verify.

Leaving Pattaya today after 12 days. Had 14 sessions with 10 girls. Mostly so-so experiences, with a couple of good / great ones and one bad one. Tried beer bar girls, MPs, BR FLs, Kinnaree, and G-Clubs. Skipped the go-go's and soapies, struck out on the disco FLs (think I was too picky there). Not sure what else I missed out on.

All cute girls, no beautiful ones. One GFE that became my go-to LT girl (4 x) and one other that I would repeat with. Most others I only enjoyed for a quick bang.

Am taking a short break to do some sightseeing elsewhere, but have decided to return for another run. Will be here March 9 - 13. PM me if you want to grab a beer and chat. Would be particularly interested in getting some info from the more experienced, but am happy to pass on what little I know to anyone who is interested.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2006428]Leaving Pattaya today after 12 days. Had 14 sessions with 10 girls. Mostly so-so experiences, with a couple of good / great ones and one bad one. Tried beer bar girls, MPs, BR FLs, Kinnaree, and G-Clubs. Skipped the go-go's and soapies, struck out on the disco FLs (think I was too picky there). Not sure what else I missed out on.

All cute girls, no beautiful ones. One GFE that became my go-to LT girl (4 x) and one other that I would repeat with. Most others I only enjoyed for a quick bang.

Am taking a short break to do some sightseeing elsewhere, but have decided to return for another run. Will be here March 9 - 13. PM me if you want to grab a beer and chat. Would be particularly interested in getting some info from the more experienced, but am happy to pass on what little I know to anyone who is interested.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for your detailed an nice to read posts.

I'll be there in a couple of weeks and you saved me heaps of research.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2006422]I found about 2-2:30 to have the most girls on average (the most crowded in general). Have seen reports that go-go girls will start coming in 4-5 am but have not stuck around that long to confirm.[/QUOTE]There is no way to confirm. When you are walking around the mall do you know who the secretaries are and who the hair dressers are? At the point that they arrive at the disco they are just normal chicks in regular clothes.

That being said I did meet a gogo chick in 808 last night. The only way I found out is that she was showing me pictures in her phone and in one of them she was in a locker room with a bunch of high heel shoes on the floor. I asked where the picture was taken and she said it was when she worked at Alcatraz, but it is finished now. She said she now works at Crystal (or something like that. I am not a gogo guy.) She showed me a picture of her in Walking Street with their logo at the bottom. She said that her friend's boyfriend had paid for her to leave work so that she could party with them. She wanted to come with me but I was just getting phone numbers for later use. So we traded numbers.

I am making a trip to Pattaya at end of the month for 4 days. I will reporting each day on my travels. Anyone got any must visit places or hidden places you want a report. I normall on play in bkk because work and timing. Happy to catch any regulars while there.

Happy punting Raven.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2006312]So I am not eager to visit ibar, I can arrive at anytime. I won't exactly have a lot of time so getting there at the right time is kind of important (eg: Let's say I can only sneak out for 1-2 hours). I have been to Insomnia too early before and it was really boring, waiting for any decent P4 P girls to arrive. But when they do arrive, it's by the boatload!

So anyway, what is the best time to get to Insomnia / Ibar? I reckon it's 2 AM or 2:30 AM but I was just wondering what others thought. I kind of want to maximize on the limited time I have (work obligations).[/QUOTE]Even later. Say 3 am.

This year there were lot more girls on BR as compared to last. SAT night was particularly impressive but quality was horrible. Over 500 fuglies. No Uzbek or Colombians. I could not find even one girl to my liking and practically had to force myself to select at least one so as to now sleep alone. Freelancers may be cheap and plenty but the looks and bodies are hopeless. Pathetic.

The MPs on 2nd soi had better looking girls but I don't think one can get laid there. The other cheaper options like soi 6 and Paradise massage were hopeless too but better than BR. I prefer to bring girls to hotel room.

So how do I up the ante? Someone mentioned hitting club 808. Any other places to pickup better looking girls?

This is my first reports on the forum. Was my first time in Pattaya, and although I'm sure I'll commit plenty of inaccuracy and factual mistakes that will inflame the veterans of this forum, I'll give a go at writing a report, hoping that the newbie point of view will be found useful by some.

Fist I'the like to thank all of you for the many great reports (Mr. E, Uncle V, and so many others). I read many many pages of your heroic pussy hunting adventures and got many great advice, recommendations, without which I could never have enjoyed my stay the way I did. It's true that nothing can prepare you for the feel of Pattaya, but for not walking around looking like a pheasant looking for a good plucking, reading that forum is priceless.

Day 1.

I arrived at Suvahrmabumi early afternoon. As some of you recommended, I had booked Mr Virach taxi, whom took me to my hotel, at sea residence, right near walking street, for 1000 inc toll. I did not want to waste any hours waiting for buses. This is a true monger hotel. But to forget if you want to sleep before 4 am. It's hopeless, I have tried, as it is right above a noisy beer bar.

I went right out to buy some essential, tee shirt, shorts, flip flops. First impression of Pattaya were good. I have to say I feel very safe from the very start. It's prettier than I thought, quite clean, more than Paris streets I thoughts. I felt immediately at home. I felt more at ease than in Bangkok.

Then the night started, and as any green tooth probably does, I went straight to walking street.

I started up with Skyfall. The line-up was excellent. Fun girls, chatty, and descent English for the one I talked to. The seating area design is good to see the girl and make your pick. No undue pressure for ladies drink. Importantly music was not too loud and it was possible to talk. I could have picked a girl there, playful and good attitude, but the night was young and the price was steep. I think I was quoted 1000 BF and 4000 LT. So no girl, but I had fun.

Next one my list was the Windmill. I had read so much about it, and was eager to find out if you could really finger the girls there for the price of a LD. The place was in full swing when I arrived, with 2 naked girls pretending to mount each other on the stage. Now, I had read a lot about how the girls there are not the best looking, and I was expecting the girls to be below average. I was therefore pleasantly surprised. I suppose seasoned monger get picky other time. It really has to be it as the girls had nothing to be ashamed of. Maybe not Skyfall level, but a good number of very pretty ladies. Still a dreamland compared to the desolation of a Western bar. Friendly they were indeed. A cute came to find me, I offered her a drink, and not 2 minutes later I had my finger up her pussy, and my tongue deep in her month. She quoted me 1000 BF and 4000ST. I ask if she was doing anal, she didn't. I did not progress further. And soon another came forward, clearly not by accident as it became clear she was offering that service. She was a bit less pretty than the first one, but still a good looking girl. She quoted 3000ST. I told her I would come back, which I did a few days later, but for the time being I was not feeling like going to such expense, as I was knackered by the flight and did not expect to last the night.

I wandered down the street and ended up at Ibar. I read a lot of positive reviews about the place. I quickly had the feeling it wasn't so much for me. Maybe I was just tired but I found the music simply too strong and the place was too packed. Hard to move around. I got talking to a few girls but did not find one I liked that would go for less than 2000, and they were far from gogo quality. Not feeling the need to pay any more drinks, I made my way to beach road. I was too late though and the girls had already moved to the city side of BR. Seems like the police do not let them on the beach side after 2 am. I got stopped by a few LD, some of them charming, but I had my first experience you'the better be careful in Pattaya. One of them, while pretending to jokingly grind me with her butt, tried to pickpocket me. I just had time to wench her hand out of my pocket. "I wasn't. " "yes you were, get away from me!" But nothing had happen and I was in a good mood. A bit later I found a WG for 600, she took me to a short time hotel (150 bath, but a dump of a place), as I didn't want to take someone to my room on the first day. She was an OK provider, and felt like a warm welcome in Pattaya. Soon I was back to my hotel and into my bed. I was a good first day.

While they will accept the patronage of Westerners, I discovered a level of unfriendliness (I would not exactly call it outright hostility) at Baccara and the inaptly named Happy Agogo, visited during my four days in Pattaya over the past couple weeks. At Baccara was ushered to the second floor, to a seat along the stage (interesting setup, plexiglas floor with girls sliding down a pole to the first floor). (Me: early-50's Caucasian, fit enough, but most importantly, with a wallet equipped enough to cover any cost.) The girls engaged with the Japanese customers (and there was one Westerner in the corner who looked to have scored a takeout, assuming she had not been pulled from another location), though only one returned my smile. Quickly finished my beer, used the loo and, on the way out, slipped 60 baht to the girl who had smiled; I pulled her aside and explained exactly why it was that I was tipping. She said she was happy to go with farang, though I doubt that is the case with the vast majority of Baccara girls. (Also noticed an excess of nose-rubbing by the girls at Baccara. Yabba-do?)

Just goes to show that times change with these clubs; five years ago I barfined a hot girl from Baccara, and though the memory is hazy, I recall no negatives. At the same time, I had an unpleasant encounter at Beach Club (now in a different location) regarding overbilling, and running up a ladydrink tab with a girl who was not able to barfine (in retrospect, possibly a good thing). Bouncers were, laughably, pushing me out the door, and it could have been worse, had there been a couple more of them. Fast-forward to 2017: I had a great time at Beach Club, intended to return but never did in four days quest to hit most of the gogos.

Perhaps the weirdest anti-farang joint (I see a poster had visited and wonder what his experience was) is Happy Agogo. To their credit, the girls ignore all the customers, staring into space, until the Japanese customers pull them over for ladydrinks or lavish them with bills or pingpong balls. Their little synchronized spinning routine to the techno "gogogogogogo" music was hypnotic, and maddening. Sometimes I want what I cannot have, and I'm merely assuming that is the case. I did not stick around to make any mental investment in trying, and there are tens of thousands more willing ones to choose from just out the door.

Oddly, a place near the entrance to Walking Street (on the right as you walk in, a few shops in) that billed itself as having some kind of Nippon anime theme had friendly girls, and I barfined a lass in her early 20's (name? I do not recall). As we walked the cut-through to Pattaya 2 Road, to catch the baht bus to the Barraquda M (wonderful hotel, great great great location) a young kid, presumably American, said "Great choice, man!" So. Japanese theme or no, go figure.

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2006704]While they will accept the patronage of Westerners, I discovered a level of unfriendliness (I would not exactly call it outright hostility) at Baccara and the inaptly named Happy Agogo.
Perhaps the weirdest anti-farang joint (I see a poster had visited and wonder what his experience was) is Happy Agogo. To their credit, the girls ignore all the customers, staring into space, until the Japanese customers pull them over for ladydrinks or lavish them with bills or pingpong balls. Their little synchronized spinning routine to the techno "gogogogogogo" music was hypnotic, and maddening. Sometimes I want what I cannot have, and I'm merely assuming that is the case. I did not stick around to make any mental investment in trying, and there are tens of thousands more willing ones to choose from just out the door.
[/QUOTE]Baccara is by far my least favorite gogo in the world. Yes, in the world.

I have never had a good experience in there.

With all the other great places in Pattaya, I wonder how they stay open. I've heard that the Baccara in Bangkok is a fun place. It doesn't bother me though; the other gogo's are amazing! I always have a great time in Pattaya. I just avoid Baccara, LOL.

Can anyone tell me if Rioja club in jomtien is still going? And if it is can you explain in simple terms how to get there say from jomtien beach road soi 5? . I hope to be in Pattaya early may and last visit I tried Passion club and Kinaree but never found Rioja.

Can anyone on the ground there tell me if the raids are still having effect on fun levels IE in Babydolls Windmill and the use of short time rooms on soi 6 or are the fun police still operating?

Anyone tried the new bar on soi 33 third road where the old Carre Blanc used to be? Is it operating same as the old bar? Any help much appreciated.

Looking forward to arriving in May and posting regular reports just hope the boys in brown have relaxed a little after getting their tea monies and don't completely ruin Pattaya for all of us.

Does anyone know any place for Orgy parties in Pattaya?

Howdy boys,

I'm writing this for me as much for anyone else. I want to be able to reference this as I plan my next trip to LOS later this year. I do hope there is value for the board, however.

I got back to the good old US of A last Saturday night after a whirlwind 7 days and 6 nights in Pattaya. As I said before, this was my first trip of any kind like this in 12 years (the last time I was in Pattaya). If I have any regrets, it's only that on two of the nights I over did it on the booze. Simply put, I started too early in the day and as a result I didn't eat nearly enough and ended up feeling like shit the day after. Of course, I did not let this detour my pursuits of ass and titties but I would have enjoyed those days more if not nursing a hangover.

Having said that, I really did have a wonderful time. 7 days and 6 nights is not a lot of time and while I'll likely do about that same amount of time in the future, I do need to be a bit more methodical about planning. I also relied on WeChat a bit too much. For example, one morning I woke up, hung over at about 10 am. Got on WeChat and had a massage girl come over (1000 baht massage and BJ) But, by around 4 pm I wanted to hit up Soi 6. I ended up at a bar there (don't recall the name, sorry) But I'm sitting there with this sexy 20 year old. She had a tight black dress on, and her body was firm and everything, but I had wasted a load on the the massage girl, when I should have held off. I ended up passing on taking her to the short time motel (they weren't letting you take them upstairs at this time) Hindsight is 20/20, I know but the point is I didn't make very good plans.

Another thing I realized: I'm not really a gogo guy. I went two nights and gogo hopped and while I had a good experience with one of the gogo girls I BFed, I prefer bargirls. I guess. It's bizarre, but I've never really been a big strip club guy. I'm weird I guess. So again in hindsight, I should have spent more time on Soi 7 as I hear there are some good bars there to pick up a bargirl. I didn't step foot on Soi 7 this trip, regrettably.

Final thoughts:

I like LK Metro and while I'm not crazy about gogos, I will probably stay there next time and make that my base of operations. I'll double down on my fitness and diet the month prior to coming over. I did a pretty good job of this, this last time and I think that's why I had the stamina I did. But, I'm getting older (will be 38 in a couple months) and being able to shoot 4 and 5 loads in a day is more of a challenge than in my youth. Every shot counts, so again better planning will help in the this regard. Meet more girls face to face. WeChat is cool, but none of the girls looked as good as their profile pics (weird I know LOL) Moving forward, unless I meet the girl face to face, and get her WeChat, that will be used only as a last resort.

For a guy like me: Recently divorced; professional whose main issue is not so much money, but more so making time to get over there, Pattaya is really great. Not saying, I want to blow money. I was very frugal, I am by nature and I came in under budget for this trip. I'm allocating those funds in the planning of my next trip. Pattaya has certainly changed since the last time I was there in 2005, but really. It hasn't changed at all. It's bigger. More hotels and shops and traffic. But it's the same insofar as Pattaya is full of good looking and sweet girls who for relatively inexpensively (compared to Western Standards) will take your money and provide a very good GFE. That's why I came and that's what I got.

Cheers boys.

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2006690]This is my first reports on the forum. Was my first time in Pattaya, and although I'm sure I'll commit plenty of inaccuracy and factual mistakes that will inflame the veterans of this forum, I'll give a go at writing a report, hoping that the newbie point of view will be found useful by some.

Fist I'the like to thank all of you for the many great reports (Mr. E, Uncle V, and so many others). I read many many pages of your heroic pussy hunting adventures and got many great advice, recommendations, without which I could never have enjoyed my stay the way I did. It's true that nothing can prepare you for the feel of Pattaya, but for not walking around looking like a pheasant looking for a good plucking, reading that forum is priceless.

.[/QUOTE]Nice first report. You are living up to your moniker and not wasting time. I expect that good times will accumulate exponentially for you!

Ibar can be a drag at times. I am its biggest advocate. But even I can find myself miserable there. However, it's always been the place where I have found the girls I have clicked with the most and ended up repeating for GFE. It just takes a little patience. And you will be hard pressed to take any of the really attractive girls (at least the ones I find attractive) for under 2 K LT. (I am sure MR. E will beg to differ, but this is my experience).

I am looking forward to hearing more about you trip.

Stay horny my friend!

You-V.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2005381]Yeah, I'm guessing the Castle is pretty similar to Demonia in BKK (limited). Only interested in trying a slave again. Still might be worthwhile if I'm in the mood for a repeat experience, but girl would need to be more attractive than what I had in BKK. How was the slave lineup as far as looks / body / age etc?[/QUOTE]Damn, hoping thing didn't slip at Demonia. My impression was the Demonia is far and away a better layout and had better looking woman over Castle. Also, I think you get an hour and a half at Demonia vs 60 minutes at Castle.

My post in Bangkok Reports thread includes several pictures of Demonia girls. (no face). I'd rate these girls 6's, maybe 7 for one. I did enjoy my time there, always worth at least one visit on a multi day stay. With prices escalating in Nana and Cowboy, this is not as high to me as it once was. See #35979 dtd 8/4/16 in Bangkok Reports thread for pix.

[QUOTE=FckDick;2006778]Does anyone know any place for Orgy parties in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]If by "orgy parties" you mean "many men and many women all fucking in the same room", it is unlikely you will find that anywhere in Pattaya or even in Thailand at all.

Contrary to what many believe, most Thai are sexually quite conservative. Yes, even the P4P girls.

A few years agogo a western couple organised some "swingers" parties. The police promptly raided the place and send them home.

[QUOTE=Broxy;2006774]Can anyone on the ground there tell me if the raids are still having effect on fun levels IE in Babydolls Windmill and the use of short time rooms on soi 6 or are the fun police still operating?[/QUOTE]I can't say how gogo-clubs are affected but I was in Soi 6 yesterday so I can say something about that. The short time rooms upstairs from the bars are still closed but the bar I was in was using another room just nearby, so it was convenient. However, the normal rate for the in-house rooms are around 300 Baht and since the bar from yesterday was uning another room, outside from the bar, the fee was higher. I paid 500 Baht for taking the girl there. So yes, the service in Soi 6 is still noticeably affected and I just wish it will go back to nomal as soon as possible.

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2006690]I got talking to a few girls but did not find one I liked that would go for less than 2000, and they were far from gogo quality.[/QUOTE]Great report man. Way to fend off the LBs.

Can anyone tell me what exactly is gogo quality? Everytime I meet a chick outside of a gogo she looks like a normal chick to me. Then later she says she works at a gogo. Late last night/early this morning I met a chick in my elevator. I asked her what she was doing. She said just coming from work. I asked where she worked and she said Saphire. Again just looked like a normal chick to me.

Is it just the lighting and the outfits inside the clubs that are making people assign a quality to gogo chicks? How would you know a gogo chick out of a lineup of a bunch of chicks wearing jeans and t-shirts? I damn sure would not know the difference.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2006891]Great report man. Way to fend off the LBs.

Can anyone tell me what exactly is gogo quality? Everytime I meet a chick outside of a gogo she looks like a normal chick to me. Then later she says she works at a gogo. Late last night/early this morning I met a chick in my elevator. I asked her what she was doing. She said just coming from work. I asked where she worked and she said Saphire. Again just looked like a normal chick to me.

Is it just the lighting and the outfits inside the clubs that are making people assign a quality to gogo chicks? How would you know a gogo chick out of a lineup of a bunch of chicks wearing jeans and t-shirts? I damn sure would not know the difference.[/QUOTE]You got that right, Mr. E, Just because they work in a GoGo, doesn't mean they are top quality all the times. Many without makeup just look normal and it is the lighting too. I see a lot of girls on stage and say to myself wow, up close, at times then the heavy makeup, facial scars, etc. Based on your opinion that is why I'm negative about GoGo owners opening places and have all those levels of Barfines for their girls. Agency girls, Model girls, Super models, to me it is plain stupid no matter how they want to define it. I remember a girl who use to work Peppermint, very average even in looks, she got a job at What's Up?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2006891]Can anyone tell me what exactly is gogo quality? Everytime I meet a chick outside of a gogo she looks like a normal chick to me. Then later she says she works at a gogo. Late last night/early this morning I met a chick in my elevator. I asked her what she was doing. She said just coming from work. I asked where she worked and she said Saphire. Again just looked like a normal chick to me.

Is it just the lighting and the outfits inside the clubs that are making people assign a quality to gogo chicks? How would you know a gogo chick out of a lineup of a bunch of chicks wearing jeans and t-shirts? I damn sure would not know the difference.[/QUOTE]I am guessing the expectation for 'go-go quality' is beautiful face, all around 9-10, or close to it? I have not seen very many beautiful girls at the go-go's, although I will admit I have not stopped in very many of them. I think the level of attractiveness at go-go's tends to be more consistent than what you'd find at a beer bar or MP, but it seems to me that I can find girls just as good to my liking at these other venues if I shop around. I DO want to try a beautiful girl on my next go-around in Pattaya, although it almost seems that level of attractiveness makes me a bit uncomfortable. I've been around tons of pretty girls, but not very many beauties if that makes any sense.

Any suggestions as to which go-go has the most beautiful girls and what I would expect to pay? I guess 1-1.5 K BF, and 3 K ST or in that neighborhood?

When I refer to gogo girls I only refer to the cream of the crop, possibly 3-5% of the girls. By no means are all gogo girls created equal. Neither are all gogo bars created equal. Some bottom of the barrel gogo bars like Sweethearts agogo, Windmill, etc. Are 95-100% dogs, 0-5% bearable, 0% hot. However, if I were to take a comparative of bar vs. Gogo vs. BR FL's vs. Oily massage vs. Soapies vs. G-clubs, etc. , I would say the gogo girls and soapies are the top of the food chain in my preference of girls. This doesn't mean I can't find hot girls at a random bar or an oily massage joint on occasion.

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2006704]While they will accept the patronage of Westerners, I discovered a level of unfriendliness (I would not exactly call it outright hostility) at Baccara and the inaptly named Happy Agogo, visited during my four days in Pattaya over the past couple weeks. [/QUOTE]

Japanese/Korean dominated gogo clubs in Pattaya are Baccara, Sensations, and Happy. I do agree with Wildhawk's statement. Unfortunately, I like the same style of girls the Japanese men do so I have to go to Sensations and Baccara and fight for my girls. I don't think the girls in these places are opposed to Farang more so they just see the easy marks in the rich Japanese man who won't make them work hard. Personally I find once the gogo girls in any club figure out a customer is not a Cheap Charlie they will receive the same attention as the Japanese.

[QUOTE=FckDick;2006778]Does anyone know any place for Orgy parties in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]No clubs in Pattaya offer orgy parties like swimnger club or gang bang party in Germany. You can always organize a orgy in your room.

[QUOTE=Broxy;2006774]Can anyone tell me if Rioja club in jomtien is still going? And if it is can you explain in simple terms how to get there say from jomtien beach road soi 5? .[/QUOTE]Jomtien, drive on Thappraya Road in the direction of Pattaya, at traffic light turn right on Thepprasit road, drive for around 1 km, then turn right into soi7, follow this soi and you will see a signs for Rioja. Probably they have a problem for use ST rooms as other similar clubs.

[QUOTE=Broxy;2006774]Anyone tried the new bar on soi 33 third road where the old Carre Blanc used to be? Is it operating same as the old bar?[/QUOTE]Yes, operating same as the old bar. I don't know about their line up.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2006891]Great report man. Way to fend off the LBs.

Can anyone tell me what exactly is gogo quality? Everytime I meet a chick outside of a gogo she looks like a normal chick to me. Then later she says she works at a gogo. Late last night/early this morning I met a chick in my elevator. I asked her what she was doing. She said just coming from work. I asked where she worked and she said Saphire. Again just looked like a normal chick to me.

Is it just the lighting and the outfits inside the clubs that are making people assign a quality to gogo chicks? How would you know a gogo chick out of a lineup of a bunch of chicks wearing jeans and t-shirts? I damn sure would not know the difference.[/QUOTE]Go Go quality. A term used to justify to yourself why you probably paid to much. Have fun anyway.

I don't know where you live but beyond exercise and proper diet, a couple short 2 day Tijuana trips are great training. I'm not sure how I managed it but pit up 17 notches in 48 hours last May.

[QUOTE=Dm605;2006817]Howdy boys,

I'm writing this for me as much for anyone else. I want to be able to reference this as I plan my next trip to LOS later this year. I do hope there is value for the board, however.

I got back to the good old US of A last Saturday night after a whirlwind 7 days and 6 nights in Pattaya. As I said before, this was my first trip of any kind like this in 12 years (the last time I was in Pattaya). If I have any regrets, it's only that on two of the nights I over did it on the booze. Simply put, I started too early in the day and as a result I didn't eat nearly enough and ended up feeling like shit the day after. Of course, I did not let this detour my pursuits of ass and titties but I would have enjoyed those days more if not nursing a hangover.

Having said that, I really did have a wonderful time. 7 days and 6 nights is not a lot of time and while I'll likely do about that same amount of time in the future, I do need to be a bit more methodical about planning. I also relied on WeChat a bit too much. For example, one morning I woke up, hung over at about 10 am. Got on WeChat and had a massage girl come over (1000 baht massage and BJ) But, by around 4 pm I wanted to hit up Soi 6. I ended up at a bar there (don't recall the name, sorry) But I'm sitting there with this sexy 20 year old. She had a tight black dress on, and her body was firm and everything, but I had wasted a load on the the massage girl, when I should have held off. I ended up passing on taking her to the short time motel (they weren't letting you take them upstairs at this time) Hindsight is 20/20, I know but the point is I didn't make very good plans..[/QUOTE]

Yes this phrase really doesn't have much meaning. Even in the cream of the crop Gogos with the hottest girls: Baccara, Sensations, What's Up?, at least 30% of the girls (and oftentimes more) I am not attracted to, or at least would not pay top dollar to go with.

I think BB is spot on when he says 3-5% of the gogo girls overall are hot, though I know we'd probably disagree on who wound make that 3-5% as our tastes do differ a bit. 555.

[QUOTE=Broxy;2006774]Can anyone on the ground there tell me if the raids are still having effect on fun levels IE in Babydolls Windmill and the use of short time rooms on soi 6 or are the fun police still operating?[/QUOTE]This morning I answered to this, from my experience yesterday of Soi 6 bars. Upstairs rooms were still not used yesterday but now I can report differently. Today I was in Soi 6 and I stopped at one of the bars and asked of their rooms and they said that from today the rooms were in use.

And I went further down Soi 6 and in the Red Point Bar I saw a girl that caught my eye so in I went and same answer: rooms were in use from today. Ended up taking the girl upstairs and it was an OK session. So 2/2 bars that I went to in Soi 6 started using their rooms from today and it is indeed a good sign. Can't say anything of what goes for the rest of the bars in Soi 6, but I must say that it looks very good from my two bars experience there today!

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2007016]This morning I answered to this, from my experience yesterday of Soi 6 bars. Upstairs rooms were still not used yesterday but now I can report differently. Today I was in Soi 6 and I stopped at one of the bars and asked of their rooms and they said that from today the rooms were in use.

And I went further down Soi 6 and in the Red Point Bar I saw a girl that caught my eye so in I went and same answer: rooms were in use from today. Ended up taking the girl upstairs and it was an OK session. So 2/2 bars that I went to in Soi 6 started using their rooms from today and it is indeed a good sign. Can't say anything of what goes for the rest of the bars in Soi 6, but I must say that it looks very good from my two bars experience there today![/QUOTE]Hallelujah!

Thanks for your report.

Day 2.

I woke up at 12 am, poorly rested, but I didn't want to spend the day in bed when there was so much to do. I walked along beach road, familiarizing myself with the city. Not many FL at this time, but still a lot to see. I got a mango juice from the beach and now fully awake I made my way to Soi 6. Now that is quite a street. And at 2 pm there was a lot to see. I went up and down a couple of time, got a green curry in one of the water hole, and fed and rested ended up at the pussy club. A beautiful young brunette was soon with me and asking for her LD. After some petting, grabbing and kissing, I was soon convinced to take her upstairs. And she was worth the 350+1000. Maybe a bit new at it, and not necessarily the best sucker, but eager to please. I really liked her. The room was really nice, with wall and ceiling mirrors. I tipped 200 for good performance.

As it was still early I wandered around a bit and ended up at soi 7. Plenty of nice looking beer bar. A few doable girls, even in the afternoon, but no one particularly pretty. One beer later, I made my way back to my hotel, along beach road. I soon met a cute freelancer, walking in the opposite direction. She smiled, I smiled, we stopped. I asked how much for ST, I was already getting ready for a tough bargain. 600 she said. Well., OK. Let's go! Maybe I could have asked for 500, but when the price is right, the price is right. It was the gentleman thing to do to acknowledge that a descent offer had been made, and respect it. The was a good fuck, and delivered the goods. Nothing to rock my world but a nice continuation to my afternoon. At some point she received a phone call from her foreign sponsor. Don't worry man, your girl is taking good care of herself.

During the evening I went again to walking street. I had my first couple of drinks a Zab bar where they had a nice band, with a very cute singer with lovely character and energy. The girlfriend of your dream, but I don't think she was on the market.

I then went to Peppermint. Not much to see, a soulless show, and I was soon bored out of my mind and not long after out of it. Peppermint, you won't see me again. I continued to Living Dolls where I foolishly agree to buying a LD for a girl I didn't like. That was a mistake, and I got that I would have to toughen up a bit about turning down girls and not being too compassionate. Part of the adaptation from life in the west.

In that evening I also understood why so many on that forum are fuming against the Chinese. Those were everywhere, making progression difficult, flocking hundreds at a time, with their grandpas, grandmas and their children, like it was day at the zoo going to go see the baby pandas. Buying no drinks, supporting to girls, but still covering the place. Those people will be the ruin of WS.

Next stop was Happy a gogo. Full of Japanese on the day I was in. A bit strange as no girl seem to be asking for LD, girls were either on stage or away, making a quick buck by taking tips like you were not in Pattaya but in an American strip joint. Not a total waste of time however as there was an amazing pole dancer, doing the split, saltos, jumping around like she has stepped on a power line. Only real pole dancing I have seen in Pattaya.

I was getting tired but went to Sensation nonetheless, and disliked it. Not much to see. Staff very pushy for LD although the girl were still dancing, and not even flirting with you. Thank you and goodbye.

As I didn't want to end the night this way I took a FL from BR. She asked 800, agreed to 500, but was not even worth that. She wouldn't kiss, show no enthusiasm, at first she wouldn't suck but I told her "you must, I insist", and she did for a couple of minutes. No need to say she left without a tip. I regretted a better looking FL, friendlier, but who was asking 800 and wouldn't move. Those 300 were not a good saving.

Not the best end to the night but I wrote that down to experience, and I'm very conscious that to enjoy that kind of trip you need to focus on the positive and not take things too much at heart.

Thanks for the update, Bdonk.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2007000] though I know we'd probably disagree on who wound make that 3-5% as our tastes do differ a bit. 555.[/QUOTE]Between the 2 of us we covered off about 5-9% of all gogo girls. I gave ourselves a 1% overlap!

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2006690]
Fist I'the like to thank all of you for the many great reports (Mr. E, Uncle V, and so many others). I read many many pages of your heroic pussy hunting adventures and got many great advice, recommendations, without which I could never have enjoyed my stay the way I did. [/QUOTE]Hey, it is a tough job, but someone has to do it.

Yeah. Many gogo girls don't prefer farang, and particularly Indians. I was sitting in Taboo and a gogo friend was gestured over to a group of Indian guys. She refused 4 x. They wouldn't give up, so she came and sat with me and told them I was her BF, so they would leave her alone LOL.

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2006704]While they will accept the patronage of Westerners, I discovered a level of unfriendliness (I would not exactly call it outright hostility) at Baccara and the inaptly named Happy Agogo, visited during my four days in Pattaya over the past couple weeks. At Baccara was ushered to the second floor, to a seat along the stage (interesting setup, plexiglas floor with girls sliding down a pole to the first floor). (Me: early-50's Caucasian, fit enough, but most importantly, with a wallet equipped enough to cover any cost.) The girls engaged with the Japanese customers (and there was one Westerner in the corner who looked to have scored a takeout, assuming she had not been pulled from another location), though only one returned my smile. Quickly finished my beer, used the loo and, on the way out, slipped 60 baht to the girl who had smiled; I pulled her aside and explained exactly why it was that I was tipping. She said she was happy to go with farang, though I doubt that is the case with the vast majority of Baccara girls. (Also noticed an excess of nose-rubbing by the girls at Baccara. Yabba-do?)

Just goes to show that times change with these clubs; five years ago I barfined a hot girl from Baccara, and though the memory is hazy, I recall no negatives. At the same time, I had an unpleasant encounter at Beach Club (now in a different location) regarding overbilling, and running up a ladydrink tab with a girl who was not able to barfine (in retrospect, possibly a good thing)..[/QUOTE]

Yeah I totally agree. Its makeup and lighting. Very few gogo girls are super hot without makeup. Shall be back in Pattaya this week.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2006901]You got that right, Mr. E, Just because they work in a GoGo, doesn't mean they are top quality all the times. Many without makeup just look normal and it is the lighting too. I see a lot of girls on stage and say to myself wow, up close, at times then the heavy makeup, facial scars, etc. Based on your opinion that is why I'm negative about GoGo owners opening places and have all those levels of Barfines for their girls. Agency girls, Model girls, Super models, to me it is plain stupid no matter how they want to define it. I remember a girl who use to work Peppermint, very average even in looks, she got a job at What's Up?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2007081]As I didn't want to end the night this way I took a FL from BR. She asked 800, agreed to 500, but was not even worth that. She wouldn't kiss, show no enthusiasm, at first she wouldn't suck but I told her "you must, I insist", and she did for a couple of minutes. No need to say she left without a tip. I regretted a better looking FL, friendlier, but who was asking 800 and wouldn't move. Those 300 were not a good saving.

Not the best end to the night but I wrote that down to experience[/QUOTE]Glad you learned your lesson. Saving 300 baht for an uglier girl is just not worth it. Always strive to be with the prettiest girl.

Thanks for another great review. At your pace I predict you hit the wall in 2 more days.

Arrived on sat evening and headed to BR after shower around 9 PM. OMG. The street was full of freelancers this time in sharp contrast to last year when there were no more 100 girls on street. This time the number was more like 500. Unfortunately they were all fuglies, could not find even 2 to my liking. Luckily found one that was 6 in my yes so decided to pull the trigger. She was very friendly and overall it was satisfying experience. We chatted a lot about each other's life etc.

Went back to BR but it was already 3 am and street had fewer than 50 girls, all hopeless. Decided to call it a night.

Next day could not find anything to my liking during afternoon stroll to soi 6 around 2 pm. Didn't like the offerings at Paradise massage and up to you. I tried very heard to find FLs on BR during day but hardly any girls. I was quite tired and frustrated by this wild goose chase and could not sleep also. Anyways evening was OK after 8 pm on BR. Came across a really nice looking lady.

But she already had a booking so chatted briefly and got her number. Strolled the length of BR 2/3 times and could find only 3/4 girls that were barely 6. Decided not to be too picky and pulled the trigger on an Isaan lady. Was surprised to hear that she was 30 plus and had 3 kids. The session was pretty nice overall although her boobs were way too soft for my liking. Rest of the night was a write off as.

I could not find even one girl that I would like to have sex with. Terribly frustrated I decided to change strategy for next day which turned out to be the best ever. Went straight to Paradise massage in morning around 11.30 and did the deed w / o being too picky. Then had another one at indo Thai massage shop on South Pattaya road. The shop facilities were hopeless, similar to paradise massage, mattresses on floor separated by curtains. But what a find. Mimi had stunning look for me, easily 7.5 and a body that is beyond comparison. Easily the best one I have had in Thailand in last 3 years. Be cup tits, firm, responsive, very well maintained body, smooth, incredible. Just awesome. Best savored at your hotel LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2007189]Glad you learned your lesson. Saving 300 baht for an uglier girl is just not worth it. Always strive to be with the prettiest girl.

Thanks for another great review. At your pace I predict you hit the wall in 2 more days.[/QUOTE]Yep, great report. But I recommend you slow down too.

Not much to do in Patts before late afternoon / early evening. Mornings and afternoons are best spent resting up or shagging the LT from the night before.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2007081]... ended up at the pussy club. A beautiful young brunette was soon with me and asking for her LD. After some petting, grabbing and kissing, I was soon convinced to take her upstairs. And she was worth the 350+1000. Maybe a bit new at it, and not necessarily the best sucker, but eager to please. I really liked her. The room was really nice, with wall and ceiling mirrors. I tipped 200 for good performance.[/QUOTE]Nice reporting, thanks for that! I just get a little curious of this beautiful young brunette in The Pussy Club. Do you remember her name? You know, they have a FB-page (like most of the Soi 6 bars) where the girls are on display on photos too, maybe you will recognize her from one of the photos?

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/The-Pussy-Club-Soi-6-Pattaya-431490773588012/?fref=ts[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2007224]Nice reporting, thanks for that! I just get a little curious of this beautiful young brunette in The Pussy Club. Do you remember her name? You know, they have a FB-page (like most of the Soi 6 bars) where the girls are on display on photos too, maybe you will recognize her from one of the photos?

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/The-Pussy-Club-Soi-6-Pattaya-431490773588012/?fref=ts[/URL][/QUOTE]Well now. I see some booty's that might require some duty. Have to check it out.

Got my feet on the ground back in Patts a few days ago for my annual pipe clearing vacation and can happily report full nudity once again in all the usual places. This is such a relief as previous reports mentioned that the BIB raids had meant no "showing". A few posts back mentioned that Soi 6 was back to normal as well with upstairs rooms back in action. I usually don't visit Soi 6 as my long time GF working as service in a go go gives me all the action I need. As with a previous GF in BKK, she always says "one more" immediately after each round.

Not bad for an old guy approaching 70. I hope to keep this up, like my dick, forever.

Johnie.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;2006887]Damn, hoping thing didn't slip at Demonia. My impression was the Demonia is far and away a better layout and had better looking woman over Castle. Also, I think you get an hour and a half at Demonia vs 60 minutes at Castle. My post in Bangkok Reports thread includes several pictures of Demonia girls. (no face). I'd rate these girls 6's, maybe 7 for one. I did enjoy my time there, always worth at least one visit on a multi day stay. With prices escalating in Nana and Cowboy, this is not as high to me as it once was. See #35979 dtd 8/4/16 in Bangkok Reports thread for pix.[/QUOTE]Yes Demonia is 90 minutes. I did go early so maybe not best lineup at the time. I was a bit annoyed by the LD, Tip hustle, but was a fun first experience. I probably won't repeat again at Castle, or BarBar as I'm guessing the service is approximately the same. I doubt more legit BDSM is readily available in Thailand, so needs look elsewhere if I'm so inclined. Will check your report.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2006868]Nice first report. You are living up to your moniker and not wasting time. I expect that good times will accumulate exponentially for you!

Ibar can be a drag at times. I am its biggest advocate. But even I can find myself miserable there. However, it's always been the place where I have found the girls I have clicked with the most and ended up repeating for GFE. It just takes a little patience. And you will be hard pressed to take any of the really attractive girls (at least the ones I find attractive) for under 2 K LT. (I am sure MR. E will beg to differ, but this is my experience)..[/QUOTE]Thank you. Hope you're right and good time will indeed accumulate. I'm conscious of being late to the Pattaya party, I'm not it will still be there 15 years from now, but I sure intend to make the most of it!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2006891]Great report man. Way to fend off the LBs.

Can anyone tell me what exactly is gogo quality? Everytime I meet a chick outside of a gogo she looks like a normal chick to me. Then later she says she works at a gogo. Late last night/early this morning I met a chick in my elevator. I asked her what she was doing. She said just coming from work. I asked where she worked and she said Saphire. Again just looked like a normal chick to me. [/QUOTE]You are right indeed, and I should not have put it that way. What I meant to say by gogo quality is a girl that would not lose too much appeal being seen undressed.

Some good, spirited talk on "gogo" girl quality (or not) on the forum, and I tend to agree with all the comments, since YMMV. The esteemed Mr. E is correct that, by the light of day and street clothing, most of these girls are indistinguishable from their civilian counterparts. I barfined four in four nights, ST all save one who stayed with me until 6 pm The next day; delightful 27 year old Chaing Mai beauty. Though there is a world of difference in quality between the beer hall ladies and the universally fresher agogo lasses. One Soi 6 girl I sampled surely could have found work in a Walking Street shop, but perhaps she prefers the day shift. I just happen to prefer watching the girls on stage and I found myself splurging on lady drinks when the mood fit and I liked the girls, even in instances in which I knew that I would not be barfining. What struck me is how one club that shot off unfriendly vibes on my long-ago previous visit could be a totally changed place. Case in point: I blew through 1500 baht in an hour at Iron, gifting four girls, dancing with the mama, acting like a proper high roller. Just because. And WTF, French-kissing four girls one by one, lap dances, whatever was good, wholesome fun.

Lots of variables, too, in what constitutes a Japanese-focused parlor. I did not, for example, get this vibe at Sensations, cited earlier as such, where I pulled a girl named Zia, cute little spinner. One issue with this Zia, and this had, luckily, never happened before, but the girl had a Sensation of her own as I waited for her to present herself in bed. Took quite a few minutes, and I detected a faint whiff of eau de No. 2. Let's face it, nature calls, and my only concern was that she thoroughly cleaned herself for work duties. So I asked, and she denied the sensa-, er, movement. Clean enough for DATY, whatever, and she came through with flying colors. After she left I noticed that a veritable tsunami had hit the toilet area of my room at the Barraquda M. Perhaps in her zeal she had used the bidet hose to spray nearly every inch of the facility. The next morning I noticed that a bath towel had been soiled with evidence. Blech. With this and the blood-stained bathrobe from a period-stricken girl two nights earlier, that hotel was the real star of my stay. Yes, I digress much too much.

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2007441]With this and the blood-stained bathrobe from a period-stricken girl two nights earlier, that hotel was the real star of my stay. ....[/QUOTE]I hope such girls don't have two rates, a higher price for Japanese customers when she's remote from her period, and a cheaper price to slum it with farangs when she's within or dangerously close to her period.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2007124]Hey, it is a tough job, but someone has to do it.[/QUOTE]Indeed. Thanks for sacrificing yourself to such a noble cause!

I got my now usual mango juice and headed back to soi 6. I wandered up and down a couple of time, and finally decided for Lisa's bar. They have a lot of lovely girls that made me horny. A very cute, short-haired one, showed interest. But I was in the mood for something more and ask if she did anal, which she didn't, and she went away. Sure enough soon one of her friend arrived who was ready to do it. She was less pretty, as often happened in those cases. It seems like the young ones that will offer the garden entrance are often the ones that fail to achieve first pool when the customer comes in. But she was smiley with good attitude so I took her upstairs. The BJ was a wonderful surprise. She might be the best blower I had in years. She swallowed my dick with just the perfect pressure and absolute smoothness, and proceeded to deep-throat. After much nailing I entered her ass and finished there. I decided I would repeat with her. Cost 350 (seems to be the norm)+1000 + 200 tip.

Went again soi 7, but couldn't see a pretty one this time. It might have been too early. I proceeded to soi Buakhao to check out the watch at Mr Jack. What a fun street. Lots to see and good beer everywhere. I continued to Soi Lenkee soi check out La Poste bar. La Poste is the French national mail service, so being French it felt a bit like a pilgrimage. Much unlike with the French public servant however, I was hoping to get good service there. The bar is dead from outside, and you need to buzz to get inside, but once there, you are welcome by 10 butt naked girls sitting on stool by the bar. I bought a girl a LD and she immediately dropped her top and I played with her boobs and pussy for a bit. She then took me behind curtains for my BJ. I should have gotten it at the bar, as I have since learnt you can. I'll make sure I do that next time. 300 room + 700 BJ. You can also fuck the girl, and I have been told some would do anal, but for those prices, there is better quality elsewhere in Pattaya.

On the evening, I had decided to hit LK Metro. I liked the feeling of the place straight away much better than WS. More relax, no Chinese tourists taking other the streets, no couples taking moronic strolls. (nothing against couples, but surely, surely there are better places to take your +1. I'the really like to be unlighted, what make anyone think it's a good idea to visit those places as a couple? Who gets any happier as the result of that? The guys?? I can't imagine it is fun seeing all those wonderful girls to be had for a few dollars, and having to pretend you have no interest not to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off your other half. The girls?? Surely most of them must feel like cows compared to the quality of the Siam girls. Maybe they give themselves an ego booster by looking down at street girls, but deep down they must feel their boyfriend would rather sleep with somebody else that night. Or maybe that's the whole point. They feel threatened, so they work their ass off, literally, at the hotel, to show the boyfriend that although not as pretty they are the real deal. Anyway those girls will be the ones calling for the Thai authority to clean up Pattaya. It seems that to our enlightened western women, the thought that there is still a couple of streets in the whole word where man can get pussy without jumping through the loops and many costs of dating is simply more that can be born.

At LK metro, I started of by Sugar Sugar. I straight felt I had found one my favorite gogo. Lots of lovely girls, playful on stage, and no unreasonable pressure for LD. Although they have a stupid 2 tiers pricing strategy, 1500 BF dropping to 900 after midnight for the better girls, and 1000 BF dropping to 800 for the others, for LD 165 and 150 respectively, everything is written on the walls, so you are not taken by surprise. I saw at least 4 girls I would happily go with. But it was too early to be tied down, so I left and wandered further into LK. I went into Ninja bar, of which I had heard some good things. What a let down! Unfriendly staff pushy for LD from the start. A poor line up of girl with poor attitude, that couldn't be bothered to move in any meaningful way. I swallowed up my soda (I'm getting a soft drink any other time not to get too drunk) and I took off less than 10 minutes after coming in (which still was probably 9 minutes too much).

I then decided to check the Devil's Den. I had heard so much about it. So I made my way in, I was explained the concept, 2 girls, 90 minutes for 4000, the line of the floor showing who does anal and who doesn't, and the girls were called in. Now I wanted to pick at least one anal girl. But there was only 1 of them, and quality was honestly dreadful. For 4000, in Pattaya, if seems to me you can at least expect the provider to look decent but it was far from it. Those were girls I would not have picked up from Beach Road. I was explain however that the Den is open from 1 pm, so 10 pm is really late in the day and the best girls were taken. Unable to summons the appetite in front of that buffet, I had to leave the place. I have to say the manager is a very nice fellow, but the line-up really needs improvement.

Next I went to The Office gogo. (not directly related to pussy hunting, but of some interest, there was a sign outside the office. They were recruiting. It looks like the basic salary is between 7500/ mth for a bottom position up to 15000/ mth for a show performer. For those of you guys wondering how much a Pattaya girl make as a basic.) First I wasn't too thrilled, although the girls were nice, but soon the place grew on me. They even put on little shows. I ended up staying a while and finally allowed myself to be convinced to buy a girl a lady drink. She was a really nice girl, playful, funny, and I decided to take her for the night. She wasn't the youngest by far, but I like my girls in their 30, same as me or slightly younger. I paid 800 BF + 2000 LT.

As soon as we were out, my girl started pulling me towards various bars, where she had friend and wanted to get some drinks. I made clear to her that I did not barfine her so that she could try to extract drink commissions at various places, and that we were going straight to my hotel. A short mototaxi ride later, we were at WS, where she started playing the same game once again. I stayed firm and took her straight to my room but I was by now getting a bit worried not to have made the right choice. Thankfully it turned out I didn't. She was all right in the bed, good kisser, and with some unusual and very pleasant moves. She kept showing a slightly immature side, making silly, repetitive and a bit irksome jokes, about having to go away, making babies, hiding, etc, but it really turned out all right in the end, and once better acquainted she was much less of an irksome tease. She was really affectionate during the night, genuinely kind in the morning, and if I had had more time, I would have repeated.

[QUOTE=RockettMan;2007159]Yeah I totally agree. Its makeup and lighting. Very few gogo girls are super hot without makeup. Shall be back in Pattaya this week.[/QUOTE]Where can I find prettier ones?

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2007441]After she left I noticed that a veritable tsunami had hit the toilet area of my room at the Barraquda M. Perhaps in her zeal she had used the bidet hose to spray nearly every inch of the facility. The next morning I noticed that a bath towel had been soiled with evidence. Blech. [/QUOTE]

OMG that's awful. This is from Zia at Sensations? Now I need to figure out who she is. Do you remember her gogo number?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2007467]Where can I find prettier ones?



OMG that's awful. This is from Zia at Sensations? Now I need to figure out who she is. Do you remember her gogo number?[/QUOTE]I regret that I did not take note of her number. It prolly isn't very instructive, but she's about 5'2, if that, in heels, no tats whatsoever, natural boobs (She went on about how her business prospects would be improved with silicone, which I advised against. I suspect she may have had a nose job.) She's got an odd asphirated voice that sounds a little like you'd expect from a cartoon bumblebee. She's a very cute little spinner. (In fact, a Filipina SW in Hong Kong saw her photo and remarked positively on Zia's beauty. I did not tell her about Zia's utter lack of common sense.)
I do envy the guys who have time to take measure of these various girls; and re gogo numbers, I'm not sure how long they even last. I went to Butterflies in Nana and inquired about one of Stickman's girls of the week. No sign of the internet star, and the girl using her number def was not it.

Chillin in Angelwitch the other night when they asked me to go on stage and be part of the show. When I got back to my seat there were 2 tequilas. I told the mamasan that I did not order them. She said they are for you and the girl since you participated in the show. This led me to believe they were free, but when the bill came they were on the bill and cost even more than a regular tequila lady drink. They suck for pulling this bullshit. I guess they are now charging you to be in the show when I have been up there many times before and not been charged shit.

That's complete BS, Mr. E. I trust you refused to pay for those.

Next time make a fake bill and pass it to them to pay "Mr. E Entertainment" for your stage show.

So far I had restricted myself to BR girls. Unfortunately it meant no day time action as many girls don't even wake up in the day even if you get their digits. I decided to lower my standards and expectations a lot to see if things click better and they did. I was able to hit Paradise massage around noon and then had a second session with another lady from different massage shop 3 hours later. Then had 2 more sessions during night with BR girls. In future I will try to score from where ever I can!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2007189]Glad you learned your lesson. Saving 300 baht for an uglier girl is just not worth it. Always strive to be with the prettiest girl.
[/QUOTE]I like the way you think!

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2007455]Indeed. Thanks for sacrificing yourself to such a noble cause![/QUOTE]With that encouragement, less than 7 more weeks and I will be back for more!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2007503]Chillin in Angelwitch the other night when they asked me to go on stage and be part of the show. ... I guess they are now charging you to be in the show when I have been up there many times before and not been charged shit.[/QUOTE]And to think that I was bowing to the master, in my earlier praise of his expertise. Now my $1400 tab at Iron doesn't seem quite so bad, and (back in Sex Prison USA), I've got the infection from saliva-sharing to show for it. But a little solace: Mr. E, you will always be the star of our show. .

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2007566]And to think that I was bowing to the master, in my earlier praise of his expertise. Now my $1400 tab at Iron doesn't seem quite so bad, and (back in Sex Prison USA), I've got the infection from saliva-sharing to show for it. But a little solace: Mr. E, you will always be the star of our show. .[/QUOTE]LOL. Actually my wingman (the guy that told me about ISG and that I first came to Pattaya with) paid the bill. I was about to raise holy hell then he told me not to worry about it. At least they forgot to put one of his beers on the tab.

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2007466]I was explain however that the Den is open from 1 pm, so 10 pm is really late in the day and the best girls were taken.[/QUOTE]Next time is better you go there at 1 pm, check the full line up of the day and booking the girls that you like.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2007596]Next time is better you go there at 1 pm, check the full line up of the day and booking the girls that you like.[/QUOTE]My experience is a little bit dated (like 2 years ago) -but I thought the quality of Devil's den girls was average at best compared to what you would see in gogos and bars. Where the girls excel is in not only taking direction well but interacting with each other and you without any hesitation.

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2007466] I went into Ninja bar, of which I had heard some good things. What a let down! Unfriendly staff pushy for LD from the start. A poor line up of girl with poor attitude, that couldn't be bothered to move in any meaningful way. I swallowed up my soda (I'm getting a soft drink any other time not to get too drunk) and I took off less than 10 minutes after coming in (which still was probably 9 minutes too much).

Next I went to The Office gogo. First I wasn't too thrilled, although the girls were nice, but soon the place grew on me. [/QUOTE]Sorry about that. Admittedly Ninja can have some bad nights and little stretches of poor periods. 10 minutes likely wasn't enough time there since the majority of the girls hide out upstairs until they are called on stage, usually 4 sets of girls. Poor attitude and pushy wait staff is definitely not Ninja though. I haven't been since January so maybe it has changed a lot? Once you buy a LD it's up to you if you prefer your time with the girl for DFK, lap dance, have the girls latch on to junior, or you feel the girls. Most of the Japanese there just sit and talk but that definitely isn't how Ninja is.

I agree about The Office. Girls there aren't the best but some of the girls there can be a load of fun.

After having a good wake up shag with my lady from last night, and sending her of on her merry way, I got my now usual mango juice on my way to soi 6.

I have now had 2 girls from soi 6, and I find myself a bit self-conscious walking down the street. I'the rather not by seen by them, especially as I like them, would like to repeat, and do not want to create hurt feeling. There is a real silliness in all this. This is their job, and not 1 hour after you've left they might be working on another guy pole, but will still look hurt if you pass by and do not go to her. I managed not to be spotted by one, but not by the other one, but I simply smiled, and kept going.

Soon I find myself at Sexy and the City. I was about to get my first poor experience of Soi 6. The girl looked OK, cute, smiley, but somehow I was not feeling it 100%. But, the beer helping I shrugged off the feeling. A bit down the line I asked if she kissed, and she answered "a little". This by itself should have sent me flying. Usually at that stage, well into the LD, not only I'm not asking, but I have already had a taste of the girl's tongue. Probably in a complacent state from not having had bad experience so far this trip, being right in the fool spot, asking for it like a deer in the headlight, I decided to take her upstairs. Everything from there was a long struggle. She wouldn't kiss, barely peck. She would not suck without condom more than a few seconds. She wouldn't move in any meaningful way, except when occasionally trying to rush the finish. The spark wasn't there, and by the middle of it I couldn't wait to get it over with, but wouldn't have wanted to give her that satisfaction! To top it all, the room was really shit. I did not tip of course, and went away. Sexy in the city, so inadequately named in the great Pattaya, you won't see me again. Adam is the manager, and proud to be gay. Well, Adam, you're blessed not to have tried your own girls.

A bit bitter I went to a pub in soi 6, opposite Chilli's bar, where you have a great view of the street. There was a pretty tattooed girl at MissBHAven, who really made me horny and I promised myself to have her the next day, but of course that did not happen. She was not there when I came back. I should have gone straight in.

I had a long walk along street Buakhao. I collected my watches, had a nice oil massage. Nothing sexual as I like to keep things separate. I don't want to shorten a great massage to get sex, and I equally dislike wasting valuable shagging time being massaged by a girl that makes me horny, unless it is LT and it forms part of the holistic experience. And I then went back to walking street. I felt a bit poorly, not planning on taking another girl this day, and just wanted the visual stimulation and maybe a bit of grabbing.

Walking down the street, soon I was lured in by the wildcats girls. I instantly loved that gogo. Great girls, great attitude. The girl that got me in soon got her lady drink, and instantly dropped her top and put my hands on her magnificent boobs. The rode me, stoke me, was hot as fire. It was abundantly clear she wanted her barfine. However at this point, I was planning on an early night and managed to escape, but not without a painful hard-on. On the way out I saw a stunningly tattooed girl, of which I made a mental note. (I absolutely love beautiful heavily tattooed girl. I some of you have advice on where best to go, that will be much appreciated. I have seen less tattoos that I was hoping for in Pattaya).

I went past Bliss and decided to make it my last gogo for the night. The girls in there were really fun. One especially took a liking to me, and God she put on a good show! The poor pole didn't stand a chance. It was humped mercilessly. And so got my intention to have a quiet night. I was happy to offer her a LD and she became very handsy. At some point she proceeded to bite my now raging erection through my short, which I took as a good omen. I took her out, for 1000 BF+2000 LT. She was good in the bed, very friendly and accommodating. A bit on the older side, which I don't mind, but wearing way too much make up, which I mind more. She would have gain a lot in my mind by being less heavy handed. I had nonetheless a very good night, and she had enough English for us to be able to have a proper conversation, which is a major plus for me. I kept her the night, and we had another go in the morning. I tipped 200 for good service. Maybe I should have given a bit more, she was a very lovely person.

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2007794]
I have now had 2 girls from soi 6, and I find myself a bit self-conscious walking down the street. I'the rather not by seen by them, especially as I like them, would like to repeat, and do not want to create hurt feeling. There is a real silliness in all this. This is their job, and not 1 hour after you've left they might be working on another guy pole, but will still look hurt if you pass by and do not go to her.
[/QUOTE]Silly as it is, this is indeed a bit awkward. What you do in this situation is greet them cheerfully, exchange a few pleasantries, but say your goodbyes on some pretext (having to meet a Farang friend soon is a good one). They know it's BS (so is their "hurt" at your "infidelity") but both of you keep up the friendly pretense and the good will for another encounter.

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2007794]Soon I find myself at Sexy and the City. I was about to get my first poor experience of Soi 6...... Sexy in the city, so inadequately named in the great Pattaya, you won't see me again. [/QUOTE]FYI Sexy in the City is owned by the same owner who owns about a dozen bars on Soi 6 and Soi Full Love Inn. Pussy Club which you thoroughly enjoyed is owned by the same owner. Imo the bars owned by this owner are generally good. Never seen anyone to my liking at Sexy in the City. Have had good times at Night Wish, Toy Box, Club Sin, etc. You just ran into a shit girl.

As for avoiding girls you have been with before, don't worry about it. They put on an act seeing their dollars float away. I can see some merit in not going with another girl in the same bar if you want to repeat with her but going with another girl in another bar should not matter. My favorite Soi 6 girl works in one of the bars closest to 2nd Road. I pass her every time and she pretends to cry and vows how much she loves me. Then looks upset as I keep walking. When I repeat with her it's no problem that I didn't go with her the past 10 times I passed her. OTH, I switched girls at another Soi 6 bar and the first girl who I never has a session with is still upset at me for the past 18 months!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2007868]FYI Sexy in the City is owned by the same owner who owns about a dozen bars on Soi 6 and Soi Full Love Inn. Pussy Club which you thoroughly enjoyed is owned by the same owner. Imo the bars owned by this owner are generally good. Never seen anyone to my liking at Sexy in the City. Have had good times at Night Wish, Toy Box, Club Sin, etc. You just ran into a shit girl.[/QUOTE]I would say the same thing, that these bars of the same owner (Nightwish group) are good in general and I have also enjoyed several girls from these bars. However, there was one girl in Horny bar that didn't give the best service but I still found her to be good enough to repeat with. I met her on a later occasion, on another trip, and she acted more positive and I spoke with her about it and she said that customers complained about her so the manager told her to be more friendly and give better service, which she actually did after that.

So it can be a good idea to talk to the manager about a girl if she is not so good. But I understand also that many times it will be the easier thing to just don't care and never again meet with girls that give bad service, than to go back to the bar and start a conversation with the manager about bad service from certain girls. About Nightwish group, they seem to have ten bars in Soi 6 currently and two outside of Soi 6, according to some information that I found when I googled for these bars:

[URL]http://pattaya-bars.com/nightwish-group-bars/[/URL]

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2007794]I find myself at Sexy and the City. I was about to get my first poor experience of Soi 6. The girl looked OK, cute, smiley, but somehow I was not feeling it 100%. But, the beer helping I shrugged off the feeling. A bit down the line I asked if she kissed, and she answered "a little". This by itself should have sent me flying. Usually at that stage, well into the LD, not only I'm not asking, but I have already had a taste of the girl's tongue. Probably in a complacent state from not having had bad experience so far this trip, being right in the fool spot, asking for it like a deer in the headlight, I decided to take her upstairs. Everything from there was a long struggle. She wouldn't kiss, barely peck. She would not suck without condom more than a few seconds. She wouldn't move in any meaningful way, except when occasionally trying to rush the finish.[/QUOTE]WTF man, bad luck for you. It seems you ran into a useless girl who does not like farang and prefer have asian customer. Bar's manager wrote a thread on another board with a quick reviews (and pics) of all the girls work at Sexy and the City, he also wrote about this girl.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2007946]Bar's manager wrote a thread on another board with a quick reviews (and pics) of all the girls work at Sexy and the City, he also wrote about this girl.[/QUOTE]What site is this? PM if you prefer. I don't believe Krp mentioned the girl's name. Did I miss that?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2007946] It seems you ran into a useless girl who does not like farang and prefer have asian customer. [/QUOTE]I think of Soi 6 to be more Farang oriented than Asian, at least at the bars I go to.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2007946]... Bar's manager wrote a thread on another board with a quick reviews (and pics) of all the girls work at Sexy and the City, he also wrote about this girl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2008100]What site is this? PM if you prefer. I don't believe Krp mentioned the girl's name. Did I miss that?[/QUOTE]I would also be interested to see that site and read the managers reviews of his girls, and also that particular girl that Krp had a bad experience of. So if there is no problem with posting the link, please do so. Thanks! (Or PM if that is better.)

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2007868]FYI Sexy in the City is owned by the same owner who owns about a dozen bars on Soi 6 and Soi Full Love Inn. Pussy Club which you thoroughly enjoyed is owned by the same owner. Imo the bars owned by this owner are generally good. Never seen anyone to my liking at Sexy in the City. Have had good times at Night Wish, Toy Box, Club Sin, etc. You just ran into a shit girl.[/QUOTE]A dozen bar! That's a tidy little business! I suppose you're right, that's more about the girl than the bar probably, I just needed to let of a bit of steam about the place I guess.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2007903] So it can be a good idea to talk to the manager about a girl if she is not so good. But I understand also that many times it will be the easier thing to just don't care and never again meet[/QUOTE]Well, she got lucky, she got me on my down day Another time I might have complained.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2008100]What site is this? PM if you prefer. I don't believe Krp mentioned the girl's name. Did I miss that?
I think of Soi 6 to be more Farang oriented than Asian, at least at the bars I go to.[/QUOTE]I didn't mention the name indeed. But I would be interested to read those reviews! Christian, if you could share? I also had the feeling Soi 6 was more farand oriented than Asian, but there was 2 Japanese at Sexy in the city the day I visited though.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2008100]What site is this? PM if you prefer. I don't believe Krp mentioned the girl's name. Did I miss that?

I think of Soi 6 to be more Farang oriented than Asian, at least at the bars I go to.[/QUOTE]I strolled along 6 several times during my visit a couple weeks ago. I don't recall that many Japanese even walking there, let alone in the bars. (And I'll say that after having had an afternoon refreshment at a place called the Horny Bar, it was anything but.).

Back in Sex Prison with little more than a lighter wallet, fond memories, and. New friends on Facebook (a potentially troublesome development; er, WildHawk, you certainly did manage to befriend a lot of cute uni students, chatting it up at the Starbucks).

One result of this is the patter, sometimes inane (mee missu come Thailand). One Walking Street agogo dancer I barfined (LT, until 6 pm The next day, great GFE experience with a demure, petite lactating girl who volunteered to share nourishment) has been particularly active on Facebook. In between messages of how her bills are mounting (so far, no appeal for a moneygram that would not be forthcoming) are the pictures of the food she ordered out. So this girl (a second-generation hooker whose mother forced the younger sister, a real Jap magnet with enhanced hooters and the requisite wings tat across the chest, into the profession too.) She jokes about being a terrible cook, and I tell her that having a sense of humor, which she seems to have, is important.

Anyway, my former bride for a night / new friend messages to say she's looking for a job and is updating her CV. In English. I tell her that she will need editing, and to email me a copy for proofreading.

I follow up (with a nod to the rate I paid her): "Oh, I forgot to tell you my rates are 2500 short time. 3500 long time. With this, I need Love you Long Time. ".

Pause and then: "That's a joke. ".

Her: "Ha?

Me: "You don't get it? Just kidding. ".

Her: "Me not understand. ".

I explain it all. Still.

Her: "I still don't get it. ".

Reflecting, I figure that these girls don't like to be reminded how they make / made a living. But shame on me, I'm not going to stop having a little fun with them (and after all, we're the suckers paying for it!)

Jokes seem 90% of the time not understood. I can say anything on line and other app's to them, but once I start making 'funny' comments or stuff with double meaning it goes quiet and you start thinking how to save yourself out of it: the I guess you have to end everything with a 555 or a emoticon or else they might read it all in a very different way.

Is 1500 barfine and 5000 baht long time the market rate for one of the best looking gogo girls at Skyfall? Seems like it is, which is about 200 USD if you include drinks. I'm wondering if I should just go to a high end soapy (save my money for the Lord in Bangkok) at this point and leave the gogo for visual / hands-on entertainment and not for bar fining. Said girl who quoted me that price seemed like more of ladydrink queen, she did give me a good amount of over the pants hand action though so well worth buying her 1 drink and tipping her 100 baht.

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2007081]Day 2.

I went up and down a couple of time, got a green curry in one of the water hole, and fed and rested ended up at the pussy club. A beautiful young brunette was soon with me and asking for her LD. After some petting, grabbing and kissing, I was soon convinced to take her upstairs. And she was worth the 350+1000. Maybe a bit new at it, and not necessarily the best sucker, but eager to please. I really liked her. The room was really nice, with wall and ceiling mirrors. I tipped 200 for good performance..[/QUOTE]Is it the girl below with the white top by any chance? I see her in many of their pictures lately and she looks like a new girl (I certainly didn't see her there a few month back) and she looks not bad at all.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2008100]What site is this? PM if you prefer. I don't believe Krp mentioned the girl's name. Did I miss that?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2008120] But I would be interested to read those reviews! Christian, if you could share? I also had the feeling Soi 6 was more farand oriented than Asian, but there was 2 Japanese at Sexy in the city the day I visited though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2008104]I would also be interested to see that site and read the managers reviews of his girls, and also that particular girl that Krp had a bad experience of. So if there is no problem with posting the link, please do so. Thanks! (Or PM if that is better.)[/QUOTE]It's against forum's rules posting about competing forums. Currently the other board is off line for maintenance, so I can't research the link to the thread and send to you by pm. You have to wait till the site will be online again.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2008100]What site is this? PM if you prefer. I don't believe Krp mentioned the girl's name. Did I miss that?

I think of Soi 6 to be more Farang oriented than Asian, at least at the bars I go to.[/QUOTE]I don't think I have ever seen a cute girl in Sexy in the City. The only remotely interesting one was Crazy Apple. More for her legendary craziness than anything else.

The old manager, was a cool guy. Forgot his name. A little arrogant at times, but he was OK. I don't know what happened to him. Maybe he drank himself to death. The guy did not look good last time I saw him.

A bit of down day for me, but some great finds nonetheless. From the morning I was feeling out of shape, tired, with very little appetite. I might me indeed that all the good work of the past few days, busily supporting the Issan economy, are catching up with me.

I pushed myself out of my room, stay on the beach for a while, and was at Soi 6 by 2 pm. Sadly, the hottee I had seen on the other day at MissBHaven was nowhere to be seen. Probably recovering from a busy night somewhere. That particular bar seems to be opening later than others, and at 2 pm the first girls were just arriving and doing their make-up. After much hesitation, I went to Kawaii bar, where a very pretty one had been calling me over for a while. I'm glad I did, she was even hotter from closer. Young, very tight body, great smile, prettier than most gogo girl. The kind of girl with whom you're not quite sure she will give a good experience as you can't imagine her having to work very hard to get who she want. But in her case passing would have been a mistake. True talent doesn't wait for old age, and there are clearly girls who keep good attitude despite great gifts from nature. After a great session (same as everywhere, 350+1000), I made my slow way, half content half worn out, to soi Buakao, where I went into a prolonged sedated state at a quiet bar.

In the evening, I was back to Soi 6. I thoughts it was about time to do some repeat. Scouting new horizons is indeed fun, but what's the point of discovering a good one if your never see her again. And as I was not feeling so good, going for a sure thing and saving myself the running around was tempting. I went back to pussy bar. To my disappointment, my new friend was nowhere to be seen. After some inquiring it turned out she had gone home. (or to some guy's hotel, rather, I suppose, although it wasn't put to me that way). But I also had someone I liked at Lisa's bar, so I went back up the street. I couldn't spot my girl at first, but soon she spotted me. I offered to go upstairs and that is when I found out police was making life difficult. (those reports are written a few after the action, I've heard things are back to normal now) She proposed to go to a hotel across the street, on soi 6/1 and that is what we did. She took me by the hand, and sure enough, we went right past my gem of this morning. Damn! I had been so careful not to be seen! Not 30 seconds later, she sent me a sad face on line, we a 'you forgot me.' It seems that for whom has patronized a few bars that street can quickly turn into a minefield. No way to go past unnoticed!

The room was way less nice than the Soi 6 ones, but I wasn't there for the room and we quickly went to business. On the average, it was another good experience, very good BBBJ, kisses and good level of dedication. However she did rush me at the end. It seems she decided it was time for me to finish, and then would not let 10 seconds elapse without rushing me. Maybe she thought I had come already, I'm not sure, but it wasn't the case, and her rushing was not helping and stopped me right on the hedge several time. Or maybe the room was rented for only so many minutes. Whatever it was it spoilt the experience a bit. To my regret, I had to tip less, to fine my barfine one could say. She only got 100 this time, and I let her know why. She seemed a bit let down by it, but it had to be done.

I was done for the day, but still went for a walk up and down WS, impossible to sleep at my hotel before 4 anyway, and listened to the group at Zab bar and Rock house. At the later place a FL hit on me, nice girl and good English, but I was done for the day, took her line and excused myself. I understood she was working at LK Metro, but if she had told me she was an office girl, I would have believed her. I was tempted; maybe I should have taken her to enjoy quality time in the morning. It looks like I missed an opportunity to finally meet a nice freelancer. But no time to think too much about it, I'll have time to beat myself up at home. Bed was calling.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2008218]Is 1500 barfine and 5000 baht long time the market rate for one of the best looking gogo girls at Skyfall? Seems like it is, which is about 200 USD if you include drinks. I'm wondering if I should just go to a high end soapy (save my money for the Lord in Bangkok) at this point and leave the gogo for visual / hands-on entertainment and not for bar fining. Said girl who quoted me that price seemed like more of ladydrink queen, she did give me a good amount of over the pants hand action though so well worth buying her 1 drink and tipping her 100 baht.[/QUOTE]Maybe it's just me, but I have been in Thailand for several years now and have not as of this time found a piece worth 200 USD to me. I could afford it but their pussy just isn't worth it to me.

If you try her, write and tell us how it was. Maybe some others here might think she's worth it.

[QUOTE=TellAll;2008270]Maybe it's just me, but I have been in Thailand for several years now and have not as of this time found a piece worth 200 USD to me. I could afford it but their pussy just isn't worth it to me.[/QUOTE]If I felt that way I wouldn't be living in Thailand.

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2008268]sure enough, we went right past my gem of this morning. Damn! I had been so careful not to be seen! Not 30 seconds later, she sent me a sad face on line, we a 'you forgot me.' It seems that for whom has patronized a few bars that street can quickly turn into a minefield. No way to go past unnoticed![/QUOTE]Try living in Pattaya. I get spotted by friends of girls all the time, especially in Central Festival since every girl goes there often. Once I even got noticed by a girl's friend who I didn't recognize. When I said I don't think I know her she replied that she recognized me from my pics on my friend's Facebook!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2008428]If I felt that way I wouldn't be living in Thailand.

Try living in Pattaya. I get spotted by friends of girls all the time, especially in Central Festival since every girl goes there often. Once I even got noticed by a girl's friend who I didn't recognize. When I said I don't think I know her she replied that she recognized me from my pics on my friend's Facebook![/QUOTE]Facebook is too dangerous. I stay out of there. LOL.

You can't stop a girl from posting photos of you on her Facebook.

Too dangerous? I have a Facebook account specifically for Thailand.

This was sadly my last day in Pattaya (to be followed by a couple of days in Bangkok). Not a very good feeling. I am very aware I have only brushed the possibilities. I am leaving the FL scene almost untouched, and have seen so little of the beer bar scene. I have so much still to experience. Of course I know I'll be back. I felt instantly at home here.

Anyway I wanted to finish on a high note, and felt like a sure thing was in order. So I went back to Kawaii bar to get my favorite girl in Pattaya so far (to be joined by many other I hope) To my delight she was there and available. She told me that the room upstairs were closed, but I couldn't care less, I was there to barfine her! And so I did, although it was only 1 pm. She was quite eager to come, and we agreed on 1000 BF+2000 LT. Maybe the police struggle worked out in my favor, there was probably not much business to be had for the girls.

We went to get something to eat, which was nice, but I realised more acutely than before how limiting having no common language is. I really need to invest in my Thai when back home. In terms of experience, the difference must be night and day! We grabbed a couple of drinks at 7/11 and went to my room for a great session. A few hours later I told her I had to meet a friend and asked that we met again in the evening. She was off, I assume to the bar, and so was I. It was my last day in Pattaya, it was not going to be the day I only had one girl!

I went to Soi Made in Pattaya, I saw of lot of nice bars, and many girls who looked promising. I didn't stop as I had a destination in mind, which was Soi 7. I had only been there in the day time, and was wondering what it was like in the evening. I started by checking out the Gogos, first of them Lucky Star 2. I have to say I was appalled by what I saw there. I almost did what I never did in Pattaya, out of respect, which was turning on my heel without drawing a second breath. First of all, the girls were clothed, and I do not mean with bikinis, but with their tops on. And the line-up was catastrophic. Fat bellies were out in full force, and the girls attitude was not even good. I saw a couple of guys do what I should have done, IE stepping in, raising their hands, and turning around. Staying there was a loss of time, so I left very quickly.

I then went to Shooters. The difference with Lucky Star 2 was like night and day. Still not a lot of nudity, but most of the girls were real lookers, thin and generally quite tall. Their attitude was also much better. There are definitely good things to be had here for whom want to stick around and buy a few ladies drinks. Many of the nicer girls were taken though, the ones I wanted anyway, so I was soon again on the move. This is club I will have to check out more carefully next time.

A bit further down the road I stopped at a beer bar. I offered a girl a drink. Sadly she spoke almost no English but she had smiley eyes and I liked her. Soon she had me playing a board game, and I have to say those bars know how to make you spend your money. This was a dice game, with a party lasting about 2 minutes, and the concept being if you win I buy you a drink, if I win you buy me a drink. But of course the girl is the bar, and the drinks she buys you are at zero cost, not such for the drinks you buy. The bartender wanted to play too, to which I say "no way I'm going to play 2 to 1 against the bar" I played a couple of games with my girl, lost both of them, and stopped. I had no intention to have a foot long tab. I asked her what was her price for ST. "How much you pay me""No, you tell me""I don't know, how much you pay B" After about 10 iteration of this, I told her, "OK, here is what I'm going to do, as you see there are about 5 sips left in my beer. I'm going to take one every 10 seconds. And after the last one, I'll get up and go" After about 4 sips and as I was packing my things she finally told me 1500. I told her I was sorry but I thought it was too much for ST and I went. She looked fun, but no English, very dressed so not showing much of a body that was probably average, the price seemed not quite right.

I soon was browsing the BR offer. It was about 10, some cute girls. I was looking for a girl I had seen on a previous night, and which I had decided against taking as I was running short of time. What was special about her was the quality of her English. Late 30's, but with a BBC English. I was stunned. I had bargained, and she would have been ok for 800. She actually did tell me. "I cannot offer you less as I feel I would be devaluing myself. I can guarantee you will not be disappointed" Those were the exact words. I think she had worked in Singapore. Sadly I did not find her. Should have taken her number. For those interested, she was a bit to the north of the Hilton.

I quickly came across two young cuties. They had very little English but looked very fresh. One was interested and came with me for 600. At the hotel she looked very shy. She is 19, according to her Cambodian passport, although she already had a 3 years old kid) At first she would not let me kiss her much and was preventing me from eating her out. But I gently caressed her, kissed her inner thighs, warmed her up, and pretty soon I could push her hands away and her lips opened to me. Both the lower and the upper sets got more and more accessible. It did not last very long, she was clearly hoping to get at least another pick up from beach road that night, but this was what I was looking for.

I went for a quick beer in a BR beer bar, simply to look at the action, and sent a line to my Long Time from this morning. I knew she was coming back as I had not paid her yet. She gave me a call telling me she would be at my hotel in half an hour. She had quite a sleepy voice. We had another great session and I then proposed we went to sleep, which we did. But she was a bit restless, turning a lot, and after half an hour I asked if we would prefer to go back to her room. She told me she forgot to feed her pet, that she does not do LT usually, and that yes she'the like to go. I would have happily kept her, but it was fine with me. I paid her, tipped her for a really nice time, and let her go.

For those wishing to read the reports for the next couple of days, they will be posted in the Bangkok forum, as this is where I was headed the next day. (but I'll keep reading the Pattaya forum, which I love, and all your great reports. I hope to meet some of you guys the next time I visit).

Hi,

I've been a long time lurker and reader of this forum and really enjoy all the reports and knowledge everyone has shared. Next week, I'll excited to be making my very first ever trip to Thailand to visit Pattaya. I don't know what to expect, but I do have a checklist of things I want to experience; namely the gogo bars, beer bars, nightclub, soapy massage, and maybe a 2 girl experience or Russian girl if the right opportunity arises.

I'm very excited, but I'm also scared and intimidated as it'll be my first time there. I'm sure I can manage on my own. However, if there are any vets or fellow travelers here that want to meet up for one night, I'the gladly accept the offer. I'll be arriving on the 17th and leaving on the 23rd.

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2009125]
I'm very excited, but I'm also scared and intimidated as it'll be my first time there. I'm sure I can manage on my own. However, if there are any vets or fellow travelers here that want to meet up for one night, I'the gladly accept the offer. I'll be arriving on the 17th and leaving on the 23rd.[/QUOTE]It's normal to be a bit nervous before your first. Trip. But there is really no reason to be intimidated. Pattaya is mongering with training wheels. About as easy (and good) as it gets.

Relax, read the forum, and be yourself. I am sure things will work out great and you'll have an awesome time.

And stay horny my freind.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=KrpDiem;2008971]

I then went to Shooters. The difference with Lucky Star 2 was like night and day. Still not a lot of nudity, but most of the girls were real lookers, thin and generally quite tall. Their attitude was also much better. There are definitely good things to be had here for whom want to stick around and buy a few ladies drinks. Many of the nicer girls were taken though, the ones I wanted anyway, so I was soon again on the move. This is club I will have to check out more carefully next time.

[/QUOTE]Shooters is good but a little pricey. Definitely Walking Street Prices on BF, and ST / LT. Took a girl named Su from there in January. 1 K BF and 4 K for LT. Expensive for sure, but I just had to have her.

Fortunately she was a great performer. We left before 1 AM and she stayed with me well until the next afternoon. 4 great shags and 2 real CIMs - no run to the bathroom right away to spit it out. So money wasn't wasted.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2009258]Shooters is good but a little pricey. Definitely Walking Street Prices on BF, and ST / LT. Took a girl named Su from there in January. 1 K BF and 4 K for LT. Expensive for sure, but I just had to have her...So money wasn't wasted.[/QUOTE]This comment serves not only as gentle support for a newcomer, but also a reminder that sometimes an apparently high upfront cost is actually a great value. I am happy to have warned the esteemed Uncle V against the allegations of Japanese girls in HK on that locale (and would be pleased to hear of his "win" when he notches one of those wherever -- on my bucket list, too!) With a nod to American March Madness, Uncle V shoots -- and scores!

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2009267]This comment serves not only as gentle support for a newcomer, but also a reminder that sometimes an apparently high upfront cost is actually a great value. I am happy to have warned the esteemed Uncle V against the allegations of Japanese girls in HK on that locale (and would be pleased to hear of his "win" when he notches one of those wherever -- on my bucket list, too!) With a nod to American March Madness, Uncle V shoots -- and scores![/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words and the invaluable advice on Japanese girls in HK. I think I will save that mission for when I actually get over to Japan.

BTW: nice pun there on the shoots / scores and so appropriate this time of year.

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2009125]Hi,

I've been a long time lurker and reader of this forum and really enjoy all the reports and knowledge everyone has shared. Next week, I'll excited to be making my very first ever trip to Thailand to visit Pattaya. I don't know what to expect, but I do have a checklist of things I want to experience; namely the gogo bars, beer bars, nightclub, soapy massage, and maybe a 2 girl experience or Russian girl if the right opportunity arises.

I'm very excited, but I'm also scared and intimidated as it'll be my first time there. I'm sure I can manage on my own. However, if there are any vets or fellow travelers here that want to meet up for one night, I'the gladly accept the offer. I'll be arriving on the 17th and leaving on the 23rd.[/QUOTE]That is a very short time so my recommendation would be to break'in with a soapie at a place like Honey2 on 2nd road. It is an easy place to figure things out. Walk in, order a drink, pick a girl and she will take it from there. Next would have to be a GoGo from a place like BabyDolls on Soi 15 off Walking Street. Go in, pick a dancer rather than have one pick you and have a couple drinks to break the ice. These girls are for the most part experienced and very mutually hands on. If everything is to your liking offer short time and if you hit it off in your room keep her long time. After do some wondering and playing it by ear usually has things turn out for the best. Just beware of beer bar girls as most have some kind of agenda that may not mesh with yours. On a short visit you want to avoid duds.

KRPDiem: Nice reports. Enjoyed reading them very much! Nice style of writing.

Yiruma: Welcome! Relax most of all. And don't expect everything to go to 'your plan'. You think you can plan all but within the first or second day you will see that your plans will have changed 360 degrees. Maybe the only intimidating thing is walking into a gogo bar the first time but just walk in confident and sit down somewhere, order a drink and try to control everything and not let 'them' control you But even if you will make a lot of 'mistakes' the first time I wouldn't see them as that but just as education Enjoy! You will love Pattaya. I just returned from my first trip and Pattaya is def. Much easier and more fun then Bangkok! Oh and visit the Sanctuary of Truth. It's nice taking a little break for 3 hours hehe.

Gin and Tonic: what exactly do you mean by: 'Just beware of beer bar girls as most have some kind of agenda that may not mesh with yours. On a short visit you want to avoid duds. ' Cheers.

Besides the above: After my first trip I got the Thailand fever that probably everyone catches after their first. I am planning to return in June / July and combine it this time with Philippines / Indonesia and perhaps one more (Singapore? Can one tell me the differences with visiting Thai in January / Feb as I did and June / July? I know it's rain season which probably doesn't bother me too much as I never ever lay on the beach or go for the sunshine (don't even enjoy heat that much) but is it really that much quieter as what I've read by some reports? Or would you hardly notice the difference nowadays? And how is BKK? I reckon because of summer holidays all over EU and USA surely it can't be much more quiet then winter? Or am I wrong again? And also: is there 'less on offer' regarding amount of girls in bars and clubs because it's 'low' season or is this also not so much the case anymore? Anyone who has visited Thailand in both months I would love to hear your thoughts! Thank you!

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;2009554]That is a very short time so my recommendation would be to break'in with a soapie at a place like Honey2 on 2nd road. It is an easy place to figure things out. Walk in, order a drink, pick a girl and she will take it from there. Next would have to be a GoGo from a place like BabyDolls on Soi 15 off Walking Street. Go in, pick a dancer rather than have one pick you and have a couple drinks to break the ice. These girls are for the most part experienced and very mutually hands on. If everything is to your liking offer short time and if you hit it off in your room keep her long time. After do some wondering and playing it by ear usually has things turn out for the best. Just beware of beer bar girls as most have some kind of agenda that may not mesh with yours. On a short visit you want to avoid duds.[/QUOTE]Thanks GnT and Uncle V for the advise.

I do have a couple questions if anyone can answer them.

1. I'm curious about what the standard level of service is to be expected. Aside from FS, is BBBJ and CIM something I can expect from most girls?

2. Is the mamasan the right channel to go through if I want to inquire about a girl's menu (I. E. Anal, 2 girls, etc.). Is it proper etiquette to ask those kinds of questions?

3. Do I need to bring my own condoms, or does the girls / establishment provide them?

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2009601]1. I'm curious about what the standard level of service is to be expected. Aside from FS, is BBBJ and CIM something I can expect from most girls?

2. Is the mamasan the right channel to go through if I want to inquire about a girl's menu (I. E. Anal, 2 girls, etc.). Is it proper etiquette to ask those kinds of questions?

3. Do I need to bring my own condoms, or does the girls / establishment provide them?[/QUOTE]

BBBJ is standard everywhere except Soapies. Never had a girl warn me I couldn't CIM. In fact, have had girls thank me for my cum.

Ask the girl's directly for the menu. In general mamasans are useless.

I think many of us provide our own condoms. Girls may not have your size or purchase cheaper condoms that aren't 0.01 or 0.02 thickness.

[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2009576] I am planning to return in June / July and combine it this time with Philippines / Indonesia and perhaps one more (Singapore? Can one tell me the differences with visiting Thai in January / Feb as I did and June / July? [/QUOTE]My comparison is mainly based on gogo bar numbers since I'm more or less a gogo bar guy. In June 2016 I think there were about 70% the number of girls compared to Dec 2016 / January 2017. However, the ratio was better in June / July 2016 with less than 50% of the guys. My numbers are complete guesses based on the bars I go to. In general, it's fairly quiet. I prefer slow season to high season.

If you haven't been I would suggest Phnom Penh any day over Singapore. Singapore is an amazing place to visit as a tourist but hobbying has a lot to be desired. Sure there are nice girls but just no fun whatsoever unless you want to overpay for ST. The hottest girl I met in Singapore was a Thai girl! PP has some damn fun bars. Khmer girls are humble and down to earth but be warned they are very clingy. PP RLD is not big but great for a 3-4 day layover.

[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2009576]KRPDiem: Nice reports. Enjoyed reading them very much! Nice style of writing.

Yiruma: Welcome! Relax most of all. And don't expect everything to go to 'your plan'. You think you can plan all but within the first or second day you will see that your plans will have changed 360 degrees. Maybe the only intimidating thing is walking into a gogo bar the first time but just walk in confident and sit down somewhere, order a drink and try to control everything and not let 'them' control you But even if you will make a lot of 'mistakes' the first time I wouldn't see them as that but just as education Enjoy! You will love Pattaya. I just returned from my first trip and Pattaya is def. Much easier and more fun then Bangkok! Oh and visit the Sanctuary of Truth. It's nice taking a little break for 3 hours hehe.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree. I don't expect to plan out the entire trip. If anything, I'm only planning on the 1st and last days to make sure the trip starts well and ends well. Whatever happens in between, I'll let the heavens decide.

Oh, and I do plan seeing 2 touristy sightseeing, with the Sanctuary of Truth being one of my destinations. The other will be the Floating Market.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2009689]BBBJ is standard everywhere except Soapies. Never had a girl warn me I couldn't CIM. In fact, have had girls thank me for my cum.

Ask the girl's directly for the menu. In general mamasans are useless.

I think many of us provide our own condoms. Girls may not have your size or purchase cheaper condoms that aren't 0.01 or 0.02 thickness.[/QUOTE]That's wonderful to hear. I'll be happy as long as I get my BBBJ and CIM finish. I'm looking forward to negotiating for COF finishes as well.

I imagine I'd have to ask them after I buy them a lady drink and have them sit with me? I'm afraid it'll get awkward if no agreement is reached. And if I happen to see another girl that catches my eye that I want to buy a lady drink. Seems like a slippery slope.

I don't know why, but I was always under the impressions that the girls / establishments would provide the condoms. But hearing your answer, I'm not so surprised since it seems a high percentage show willingness to go bare. So can I find high quality thin condoms in the Pattaya pharmacies?

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2009601]3. Do I need to bring my own condoms, or does the girls / establishment provide them?[/QUOTE]The ladies will have condoms at hand, but the best advice is to have your own from your home market if you are particular. That way you are familiar with the brand fit and feel. The ladies might inspect them to make sure they are acceptable quality. Condoms are an expense for them, so they really don't mind if you provide your own as long as they are legit.

SL.

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2009125]Hi,

I've been a long time lurker and reader of this forum and really enjoy all the reports and knowledge everyone has shared. Next week, I'll excited to be making my very first ever trip to Thailand to visit Pattaya. I don't know what to expect, but I do have a checklist of things I want to experience; namely the gogo bars, beer bars, nightclub, soapy massage, and maybe a 2 girl experience or Russian girl if the right opportunity arises.

I'm very excited, but I'm also scared and intimidated as it'll be my first time there. I'm sure I can manage on my own. However, if there are any vets or fellow travelers here that want to meet up for one night, I'the gladly accept the offer. I'll be arriving on the 17th and leaving on the 23rd.[/QUOTE]I am approaching my 2nd anniversary to my first visit, and I was quite intimidated. You can check out my Pattaya trip reports from, I guess, April and / or May of 2015 to read of my own reactions and feelings. Experienced world mongerors might laugh, but since you admit you might feel scared, reading my reports might bring some peace.

There is really nothing to be scared of there, only perhaps the fear of how you will handle yourself in the bars / clubs. I would recommend hitting Soi 6 first as it is almost impossible to fail there. Some of the girls will come out and pull you in. That might be ok, for even if you don't find her attractive, you can learn the ropes. And remember you can always say no, and even if you go with them for sex, if you don't want to waste a load, then don't. Just say you are too nervous, the leave, hit the street and go down a couple of bars until you see a girl you like, then you will be a Soi 6 pro! That will give you some confidence to hit the FL girls on BR, as well as WS.

Ok I have booked my second Thailand trip for three weeks in Nov. I know it is a long way away but all fixed cost are paid already. Airfare done, Hotel / condo for Pattaya and Bangkok done. I learned a lesson from my first trip last year So I will be staying in Pattaya for twelve nights and Bangkok for only four nights at the end for access to the airport on departure. I have 12 nights at The Base, a one bedroom condo and four nights" full on Old man monger" at the world renowned Nana Hotel. I just wanted to know if any of you guys have rented at The Base in Pattaya how it was, I did not spend any time at Soi Bakoue (sic) and LK Metro so that is tops on my list this trip. Also who do you guys use for taxi from swampy to Patts. I will just pre book and get that done also. Boy am I suffering Pattaya Withdraw since I got back.

Thanks Pan Head.

[QUOTE=Panhead;2009913]I just wanted to know if any of you guys have rented at The Base in Pattaya how it was, I did not spend any time at Soi Bakoue (sic) and LK Metro so that is tops on my list this trip. Also who do you guys use for taxi from swampy to Patts.[/QUOTE]I have never stayed at The Base, but I happen to be in front of it right now. All of my friends say it is pretty small for the price if you are a buyer, but since you are only staying a few days it should be perfect with it being brand new and all.

As for taxi, just go up to the 4th floor and outside and get one. They will say 1500 first, but tell them 900. Don't pay more than 1200.

The Big plus with GOGOs is the lack of clothing, The Thai ladys seem to be experts in making small A cups into Big be's with the help of bras and some padding, kind of hard to do in the GOGOs also baby damage is also revealed.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2007000]Yes this phrase really doesn't have much meaning. Even in the cream of the crop Gogos with the hottest girls: Baccara, Sensations, What's Up?, at least 30% of the girls (and oftentimes more) I am not attracted to, or at least would not pay top dollar to go with.

I think BB is spot on when he says 3-5% of the gogo girls overall are hot, though I know we'd probably disagree on who wound make that 3-5% as our tastes do differ a bit. 555.[/QUOTE]

You rock Mr. E thanks for the pic. I am jealous you are there and I am sitting in the middle of a F ing blizzard right now. O to be in the land of Smiles right Now.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2009925]I have never stayed at The Base, but I happen to be in front of it right now. All of my friends say it is pretty small for the price if you are a buyer, but since you are only staying a few days it should be perfect with it being brand new and all.

As for taxi, just go up to the 4th floor and outside and get one. They will say 1500 first, but tell them 900. Don't pay more than 1200.[/QUOTE]

Base is smallish but very nice building and view. Never stayed there myself. But a friend of mine used to rent there monthly.

Nice pool but always crowded with famies. So my friend says.

How much did you pay to stay 12 days. I may give it a go. I usually stay at City Garden but I may fancy a change.

[QUOTE=Panhead;2009913]Ok I have booked my second Thailand trip for three weeks in Nov. I know it is a long way away but all fixed cost are paid already. Airfare done, Hotel / condo for Pattaya and Bangkok done. I learned a lesson from my first trip last year So I will be staying in Pattaya for twelve nights and Bangkok for only four nights at the end for access to the airport on departure. I have 12 nights at The Base, a one bedroom condo and four nights" full on Old man monger" at the world renowned Nana Hotel. I just wanted to know if any of you guys have rented at The Base in Pattaya how it was, I did not spend any time at Soi Bakoue (sic) and LK Metro so that is tops on my list this trip. Also who do you guys use for taxi from swampy to Patts. I will just pre book and get that done also. Boy am I suffering Pattaya Withdraw since I got back.

Thanks Pan Head.[/QUOTE]

I used Airbnb and got a place for $420 for the 12 nights.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2009953]Base is smallish but very nice building and view. Never stayed there myself. But a friend of mine used to rent there monthly.

Nice pool but always crowded with famies. So my friend says.

How much did you pay to stay 12 days. I may give it a go. I usually stay at City Garden but I may fancy a change.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Walking Street: Has topless Go-Go become a No-No?

More raids were conducted in Walking Street, South Pattaya, yesterday amid claims that a crackdown was targeting topless dancing at the resort.

On Sunday both the district chief of Banglamung and the head of police were in attendance as they threw the book at Dance 2 nailing the club with six charges.[/QUOTE]I thought I knew all the gogo bars on WS but no idea where "Dance 2" is. Anyone know? Article goes on to say 150 customers and shisha. No WS gogo bar I've been to serves shisha any more.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2010073]I thought I knew all the gogo bars on WS but no idea where "Dance 2" is. Anyone know? Article goes on to say 150 customers and shisha. No WS gogo bar I've been to serves shisha any more.[/QUOTE]You probably are not familiar with it because it is a club for Thais, not foreigners. It is not a gogo.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2010086]You probably are not familiar with it because it is a club for Thais, not foreigners. It is not a gogo.[/QUOTE]I go to many Thai bars on The Dark Side with my gogo girls. They go for the shisha. I wasn't aware there was one on WS though. I'm guessing it's down near the McDonald's. Is that correct?

I always laugh at Pattaya News. They bust a thai bar and refer it back to gogo bars.

BTW, Happy Zones officially kicks off on March 25. "The Happy Zone project will turn Walking Street into a place of happiness for tourists. We have asked the operators to ensure there are no under 20s, no weapons and most importantly no trouble for tourists."

I guess a few of my gogo girls will be moving to BKK or LK Metro.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2009925]I have never stayed at The Base, but I happen to be in front of it right now. All of my friends say it is pretty small for the price if you are a buyer, but since you are only staying a few days it should be perfect with it being brand new and all.

As for taxi, just go up to the 4th floor and outside and get one. They will say 1500 first, but tell them 900. Don't pay more than 1200.[/QUOTE]The Base is good by my standards. It's quiet, whereas hotels are noisy. So many people checking in / out and wakes me up before I should. It's more expensive than most hotels though. But for me, worth it. And as for size yeah it's a smaller condo, even for a Thai condo. But larger than most hotel rooms.

[QUOTE=Panhead;2009933]The Big plus with GOGOs is the lack of clothing, The Thai ladys seem to be experts in making small A cups into Big be's with the help of bras and some padding, kind of hard to do in the GOGOs also baby damage is also revealed.[/QUOTE]Yeah the gogo girls really are not as pretty outside of the dim UV lighting, makeup and overall fantasy of banging a stripper / go-go model. I don't get instant buyers regret or anything, but they just look more normal / flawed outside of the gogo. After a few repeat visits they are just normal women that I am over paying for. Hell, the girls working at Soi Honey Paradise massage only want 1200 for FS and you could *easily* switch them with gogo girls and the Soi Honey paradise massage girls would still probably be hotter. The gogo scene can be more of a drinking / entertainment scene than just a FS scene. If you just want to bust a nut, massage / brothels (excluding pattaya soapies, worthless) are way better value.

I'm excited looks like Paradise massage got a whole pile of nice looking slim 20-25 year old girls? I'll swing by this weekend and respond back with the comparison.

When comparing price for a gogo girl vs. a massage girl guys need to keep in mind ST for a gogo girl is usually 3-4 hours, at least from my experience. You're lucky to get a full hour at Paradise or many of the other Soi Honey MP's.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2010269]When comparing price for a gogo girl vs. a massage girl guys need to keep in mind ST for a gogo girl is usually 3-4 hours, at least from my experience. You're lucky to get a full hour at Paradise or many of the other Soi Honey MP's.[/QUOTE]I'm not a gogo fan and stop to spend my money in gogos years ago, but I have friends who still barfine gogo girls often and I read many forums, well this is a first time I read and heard that ST with a gogo girl is 3-4 hours. Sound very strange too me, usually gogo girl are famous to be a runner and try to keep the ST as short as possible.

Only posting my many experiences. Never had anything close to a runner. In fact, at times it has been difficult to get them to leave when you want. Keep in mind these girls all know me or know of me and I'm not taking girls from low end gogo clubs.

Which clubs have you experienced runners from? I wasn't aware gogo girls do that, more so BR FL's. With a gogo girl you can make their lives miserable by returning to their club.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2010290]Only posting my many experiences. Never had anything close to a runner. In fact, at times it has been difficult to get them to leave when you want. Keep in mind these girls all know me or know of me and I'm not taking girls from low end gogo clubs.
Which clubs have you experienced runners from? I wasn't aware gogo girls do that, more so BR FL's. With a gogo girl you can make their lives miserable by returning to their club.[/QUOTE]Low end or high end gogo don't make any difference if a girl is a runner or not, good and bad service can happen everywhere. What make a gogo, an high end gogo? Looking around very few girls are beautiful and worth the price they ask, also must to see if the services are worth the price.

As I wrote before I'm not a gogo fan and stop years ago to barfine gogo girls, just go sometimes with friends for one drink, anyway my last runner was from Heaven Above. My friends had runners from Skyfall, Lady Love, Superbaby (now closed I think), Showgirls and probably some more that now I can't remember. Reading around the web many tourists had a scam from gogo girls, like pay all in advanced, runners, bad service, CBJ, etc.

Seems you are lucky well know customer and resident, but keep in mind that in reality many "2 weeks tourists" received low service from gogo girls. For this many prefers massage, soi6 and G. Clubs.

BR FL service nowadays is very bad, due to a very bad customers walk up and down in group and misbehave with the girls.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2010315]Low end or high end gogo don't make any difference if a girl is a runner or not, good and bad service can happen everywhere. ...[/QUOTE]I love to oggle at the agogos, in my all-too-infrequent visits to Patts. Five years ago, and a couple years before that, I would have agreed and said that the "runners" were more of an epidemic. Latest round, with me older, less fit, and no less Caucasian, no problems. Perhaps it is owing to having a slightly better understanding of the odd little creatures we enjoy fucking, and knowing to lay out the expectations (positions, timewise) in advance. And CG is correct that the "level" of the place you've pulled from would provide any leading indicator of which girl will, or will not be, a runner. I pulled a lovely from Airline Club, at least once regarded as one of the better quality gogos. She fulfilled her LT contract, GFE and then some, until just before her shift the next day. She may have been expecting me to hire her again that evening, but I gave no intimation that would happen. Then again, I'm a bit too empathetic, listening to the sob stories (second-gen SW, sister hooks at the same club, yippy yippy yippy. Let's face it, too: The monger himself plays a key role whether the girl ends up scooting away early.

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2010343] Let's face it, too: The monger himself plays a key role whether the girl ends up scooting away early.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with this.

"high" "low" end gogo bars. What I really meant was that the girls from the bars I BF from aren't going to risk getting booted from the bar where they have worked for a year, where all their friends are, where they feel comfortable but, most importantly, where they make very good money from a slew of Weekend Millionaires. Some gogo bars are picky who they allow to work there. You must be under a certain weight, have no baby marks, have a pretty face / body, keep rich customers happy, etc. Other gogo bars will take anyone and those are the bars I was referring to where any FL can just walk in to a "low" end gogo bar and rip off a few customers before the complaints pile up and she is fired.

Blue Sky bar on WS burned down this morning. Some may not know where this is but I'm sure many know the place next door, Skyfall. I'm sure Skyfall has suffered at least massive water and smoke damage.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2010269]Snip. When comparing price for a gogo girl vs. a massage girl guys need to keep in mind ST for a gogo girl is usually 3-4 hours, at least from my experience. You're lucky to get a full hour at Paradise or many of the other Soi Honey MP's.[/QUOTE]I've never heard of a short-time, especially from a gogo girl, lasting 3-4 hours: rather, it's one shot and she's gone. The Bangkok thread is full of posts about 20-minute short-times from Nana gogo girls. What would make it different in Pattaya, unless it is specific to you because of your being known to the girls?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2010398]What would make it different in Pattaya[/QUOTE]IMHO isn't different, also some Pattaya's gogo are more expensive than Bangkok. Seems some guys are very lucky with alot of time for "cultivate friendships" with girls and big money (lucky them). I'm really curious to know if the 3-4 hours are spend all in the room with multiple shots or if part of this 3-4 hours are also spend for go eat, go drink with her friends, etc.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2010398]I've never heard of a short-time, especially from a gogo girl, lasting 3-4 hours: rather, it's one shot and she's gone. The Bangkok thread is full of posts about 20-minute short-times from Nana gogo girls. What would make it different in Pattaya, unless it is specific to you because of your being known to the girls?[/QUOTE]To Jimmy boy.

I have done ST many time w Multi shots for 2-4 HR from Beach Road, freelance at disco and soi 6 girls, it what you and the girls agree on many girl don't want to stay all night need to go home before morning, but for most gogo girl it is ST or LT yes they want to finish so they can go back to the bar for another customer.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2010413]IMHO isn't different, also some Pattaya's gogo are more expensive than Bangkok. Seems some guys are very lucky with alot of time for "cultivate friendships" with girls and big money (lucky them). I'm really curious to know if the 3-4 hours are spend all in the room with multiple shots or if part of this 3-4 hours are also spend for go eat, go drink with her friends, etc.[/QUOTE]To Christian G.

If you pick up a girl at a gogo in Pattaya for ST let her know what you expect from her before you barfined her, you don't paid her until she leave if she promise you multi shots for 2 HR and want to leave after one shot I will not paid her the full amount I will make it clear at the bar, but in Angeles city PI is different you need to full in full at the bar there so you do get Runner there even the girl promise you she will stay all night at the bar.

Fast Eddie 48.

I only had one girl do this to me. Interestingly enough a girl from Nigh Wish at Soi 6 August of 2015. She woke me up in the middle of the night (well after our first shag) with the old "My friend lost her key" story. I let her go but paid her only 1/2 what we agreed to and never saw her again. Not much of a loss as she was a crappy lay anyway and kind of a bore (though a really pretty girl).

I've never had a problem with a gogo girl runner (though admittedly I don't take all that many gogo girls so I don't have much of a sample). I did have one gogo girl from Sensations get way too drunk and started throwing up when we got back to the loom. Too bad as we were really getting along well and I think it would have been a good experience. I paid her bupkis and would have gone back to get my BF back but it was the last day I was in Pattaya during that trip.

The tops came off at Bacarra last night for the first time in weeks. It was nice to see.

Bottoms remain in place for the time being, even for show girls, but I'm confident we'll be seeing some naked pussy again soon.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;2010549]The tops came off at Bacarra last night for the first time in weeks. It was nice to see.

Bottoms remain in place for the time being, even for show girls, but I'm confident we'll be seeing some naked pussy again soon.[/QUOTE]Also Fahrenheit, Iron, What's Up, Living Dolls etc had topless girls this week.

G-Spot had full nudity. There was one girl with such a beautiful tiny pussy that she well deserved a few lady drinks from me.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2011042] ... G-Spot had full nudity. There was one girl with such a beautiful tiny pussy that she well deserved a few lady drinks from me.[/QUOTE]Tops and bottoms off at Touch in LK Metro last night. Appears that normal has returned.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;2011124]Tops and bottoms off at Touch in LK Metro last night. Appears that normal has returned.[/QUOTE]Tops were off at Bliss last night.

No topless at Ninja which is shocking given the other clubs went back to topless. Ninja a tad boring. The Japanese have taken over and converted it to a let's not touch the girls club. Lineup was average. One of my three girls there. Lots of missing girls all recently gone back home post high season.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2010428]To Jimmy boy.

I have done ST many time w Multi shots for 2-4 HR from Beach Road, freelance at disco and soi 6 girls, it what you and the girls agree on many girl don't want to stay all night need to go home before morning, but for most gogo girl it is ST or LT yes they want to finish so they can go back to the bar for another customer.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Good advice. I find it's best to say ST and just keep them around as long as you want. LT almost always means to sleep over, like a GFE service. Now, sometimes at clubs with aggressive mamasans (iron), the mamasan will strictly tell me at what time the girl is expected back if I choose ST.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;2010549]The tops came off at Bacarra last night for the first time in weeks. It was nice to see.

Bottoms remain in place for the time being, even for show girls, but I'm confident we'll be seeing some naked pussy again soon.[/QUOTE]The girls are naked at Crazy House, Suzie Wong, Long Gun, Rawhide and other bars every night. I don't even go into Baccara anymore. Waste of time.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2011390]The girls are naked at Crazy House, Suzie Wong, Long Gun, Rawhide and other bars every night. I don't even go into Baccara anymore. Waste of time.[/QUOTE]Wrong city.

Good to know naked pussy and tits will be back for my visit this weekend. Need some advice on a good hotel to have a party with a few girls late night. Penthouse is all ok with several people having a party but the decor is a bit tacky. Tried it once. Anyway who cares of banging some really nice girls. Will start LK Metro first night I think. Catch up with the naked girls in Touch is a good way to start the evening. Go to WS later and when sick of dodging the Chinese tourists will head back to LK Metro. Anyone out there want to join for some party fun with a few girls PM me. Fri or Sat night 24th /25th. Cannot wait. Thai pussy here I come.

I have met older gents who prefer ST. Lower up front fees. Lower risk on investment. Less buyer's remorse if she is a pump / dump for whatever reason. Ability to sleep with both eyes closed and not having to do a sweeping loss prevention check list. Dinner, barhopping, and movie dates add up and should be for GFs you don't have to pay after they leave in most cases. My small sample this trip. Beach girl (I did long time a few times with her friend who looks strikingly similar last summer) She left after 45 minutes. 30 minutes. In sack, shower, and commute to hotel. I liked her friend more but they are comparable. Second sample: Disco lady. She didn't knock my socks off last summer but I thought she was fun and warranted a second play. She stepped her game up this spring. She spent 1.5 hrs. Both sessions. The guys with big budgets who try to nail as many chicks in their trip as possible seem happiest rather than the guy who only bangs 3 girls in a month and repeated LT. In effect he met less women while these girls in their free time may be "dating" multiple guys simultaneous at their day jobs and left no stone unturned. Working girls in there 30's generally may try to monopolize your trip budget if you let them.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2011390]The girls are naked at Crazy House, Suzie Wong, Long Gun, Rawhide and other bars every night. I don't even go into Baccara anymore. Waste of time.[/QUOTE]I am with you here, however he was probably referring to Baccara in Pataya.

[QUOTE=Cool;2011918]The guys with big budgets who try to nail as many chicks in their trip as possible seem happiest rather than the guy who only bangs 3 girls in a month and repeated LT.[/QUOTE]The guys with big budgets are happiest because they have big budgets.

[QUOTE=Allover;2012375]The guys with big budgets are happiest because they have big budgets.[/QUOTE]That is about the most sane posts I have seen. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Allover;2012375]The guys with big budgets are happiest because they have big budgets.[/QUOTE]Guys with no budgets never make it to the shore of LOS.

First, a big thanks to all of the ISG active members both old and new! The weeks reading the forum leading up to my 10 day trip were.

Invaluable. But as theory and reports can only prep you so much, witnessing firsthand is the best way to learn imo. I got a bunch of my growing pains out over 3 days in Phuket and was stoked for Pattaya.

Pattaya: day 1: posting these all in aeries sorry guys. I made notes at night / after the event when possible but my mongering holiday did not afford much free time.

So I wasn't sure where to start, went to walking street and was a kid in a candy shop on walking street. It's hard to envision the hours of the Chinese tourists that are described until you actually see them. Glad they clear out when the nights start getting good around midnight.

Hit Walking Street around 10 pm and started at a beer bar (I'll tell you somewhere behind Frog Bar) and took an instant interest in a stunning spinner that dominated me in connect four. I'm not a sucker for getting my ass handed to me in Lady drinks (learned that in Phuket), but she was cool about (pt for her) just playing for fun. Had my fun there and had better luck with their spin on jenga and that dice game. The bar fine was 1500, but dropped to 600 at midnight. With 2 hrs to go, I figured I'd go scope out other prospects and come back. , went straight to Baccara. A lot of girls in there but didn't see anything that I had to have. Went into Ibar / insomnia, meh. With so many places left to hit, my buddy decided he was tired and bailed on me. With 15 minutes to midnight I went back to beer bar, and saw her talking to another customer. It's ok I took a gamble and lost. I left and went to skyfall. There I was seated next to a very nice girl who I bought a lady drink after she talked / danced with me for a good 10 minutes. Never asking, I was impressed with her vigor so said what the hell. Well that equated to an intense grinding that beat the shit out of any lap dance I ever experienced back in my dumb college years. At this point, I was feeling a little tired myself, and didn't think I'd get the full LT potential with this thai Gina Lynn in her 30's. Had 2 rounds of drinks with her, then excused myself. Told her I would be there tomorrow as I am sure I or my friend would take her.

Went back to beer bar just first hell if it, she was gone:

Took a taxi back to the hotel, not the day 1 I was expecting but that just meant that I had some work to do over the next 2 days!

Hit up soi 6, 7 in afternoon, meh. Did 3 passes up and down, but just didn't see one that did it for me. Maybe that girl at the beer bar from the night before was on my mind. Just wanted to grab a beer in some AC so went into the Pussy Club I think, the wifi password was BBBJCIM, and I asked a couple girls working there if they did it and they did not follow. We closed out and headed back to the Intercontinental to Relax. As I was confident I'd be getting some action tonight, I wanted to be closer to Walking Street so booked the Penthouse Hotel. Joiner friendly and all I can say are 2 words. Sex swing!

Went back out at 8 pm to check Soapy s, went into soi honey inn and pp, soi honey made me crack up with their "fresh" list. There was a number, , 502 or 702, tiny girl that looked a little chinese that kept mouthing to take her. I considered, but passed. We passed through LK Metro and Diana. Nothing that drew me in, but it was early (21:00 ish).

Took the blue bus down to Walking Street. After walking in, I noticed a bunch of water on the street, then saw that RocK hard was burnt down! I looked next door and saw that Skyfall was closed! Just my luck. Made a note to see look up later if there if skyfall is owned by a group that owns the other agogos in hopes that my Thai Gina Lynn might be working at one of them.

Went back to the beer bar and was happy to see her there. She greeted me with a big smile. Asked where I was last night, and said she looked like she was busy. She said she called out my name after I was walking away the second time, but I'm not sweating it as I have her now. After a couple round of drinks, I asked if she wanted to leave and she said it was up to me. I could stay and drink and she'd stay with me and I could save the 900 baht. She said 3000 LT which I was ok with. Maybe I overlooked that one my buddy and I both ran up some pretty high tabs, but when in Rome. She was having fun, and I just made a note that if I came back tomorrow to just make it clear I'm only buying drinks for the girl, and maybe a few for the mamasan. A little after midnight I barfined her, she grabbed my hand and off we went. Took her for a small bite, then we walked to the hotel. She had a good laugh when we got to the hotel room and saw the decor. She asked what else I had planned and I said I wasn't sure. She said she didn't have plans and was free until 5:30 pm so I took it with a grain of salt and said ok. She said to take a shower (Ut-oh), and she followed after me. Came out in a towel and laid in the bed. I was thinking oh please not a distant starfish. She cuddled up and we started with some closed mouth kisses that progressed in light french kisses and deep french kisses. She went down for a BBBJ, and I started fingering her. She was wet and I was turned on even more. Against my better judgement, I asked if she wanted me to go down on her to which she shook her head yes. Tasted like roses! I could not hold out any longer and had to get in. Popped the rubber on and mounted her. Tight, felt great. Continued kissing and went at it slow at first. Then sped up. After a while, I flipped over and she got on top. I love me some cowgirl POV with a spinner. I could tell she was starting to tire, so I held her legs up and just thrusted away. She sounded like she was digging it and I kept at it until finishing. She cleaned me up and came back to cuddle. My little man bounced back a little quicker than usual and again we went at it. She was a little dryer this time but I just went at it on top until finishing. We cuddled and fell asleep.

Thrilled with my decision at this point. I must say that every time I doubted her, she ended up proving my paranoia wrong. Reading so much about the deception and whatnot, I was weary. Said by an American newbie visiting Thailand. "I think I'm falling for this girl ".

Woke up around 9 am. My girl got up and said that her period came, I was like oh great.

She took a shower, and I was expecting her to say she had to go. Nope got into bed, and we made out. She sucked me off, and I asked if we could have sex in the shower. She said yes. We went at it and I finished with her doggiestyle. I asked if she wanted to come to my actual hotel, and she said ok. We took a taxi to Intercontinental and she liked the view. She took a nap on the bed and I showered. She asked what I had planned, and I said my buddy and I were going to the Sanctuary of Truth. She googled a picture and said she has never been there. I asked if she wanted to go and she said yes. We first went to central festival (a bomb japanese place with the food on conveyors. Sorry guys, horrible with names! Then onto Sanctuary. Cab driver took us back to Central festival. She said she had to get ready for work and asked if I'd be coming back tonight. I said absolutely and she said she'd wait. I wanted to give Soi 6 another chance and glad I did. My buddy and I headed for that direction. Saw a nice spinner at Red Point and went in. Sat down with a random taking my order. Exchanged casualties but she picked up on my lack of interest and left. I went out to grab the spinner, she was nowhere to be found. Mamasan asked what I wanted, and I said skinny. I then a shorter girl with some meat on her bones and some huge double the bolt ONS pass by. Mamasan said she good. I bought her a drink, negotiated BBBJ, rim job and cumming on those large tits. Went upstairs and got to it, right into deep French kissing then she slowly moved down kissing every part of my body until she reached my penis. She had good form, but definitely a dragger with her teeth. I flipped over and got my rim job. Did everything she said she would and tried hard. The room was hit and she did ride me for a while so when she said to finish her I didn't mind. I gave her the 1000 owed then left.

I really wanted to see some muy Thai fights, but missed the opportunity in Phuket and Pattaya, oh well mongering always comes first for me. Power napped it at the hotel then headed back out around 8:30.

We headed back out and wanted to see what soi 6 would be like later in the evening. Walked up and down and made a note of the hottest one I saw. The bar where all of the girls were wearing red skirts (sex in the city maybe? Came back, and my buddy (who I was guilt tripping / arm twisting to partake) fancied a girl with a nice ass and long legs. A girl from Chang Mai sat down on my lap but I really wasn't interested. She put her hands down my shirt and in my pants and got a little rise out of me, but she just wasn't my type. I bought her a drink, thanked her, then went outside to find that spinner from before. Her name was Mook. I didn't negotiate shit, I just wanted to pound that little sexy thing. We went upstairs and showered separately, she gave me a BBBJ, put on the rubber and hopped in. Cowgirl and some solid moves with intense moaning, she was probably hoping I'd blow fast. She eventually tired, then got in the doggie position, and I pounded away until finishing. She must of liked it, as she laid on her back for a while after I was done and played with herself. I was I'm a bit of a rush to get to my girl at walking street so I said let's shower. My buddy was just finishing so we paid up (1000 + we each tipped 100) and took the blue buses to walking street. Went to my beer bar and man, my eyes light up every time I see her. Got her, myself, and the mamsan a drink, then just relaxed. Her co workers came by and thought I'd be generous like the previous night, but I said that I was only buying drinks for her tonight only. As midnight came I barfined her, and mentioned that my buddy wanted to hit some agogos. She said she'd join. We went to Baccara, Pheromone, and one of the clubs with the name "Baby". I could tell she wasn't comfortable, I don't blame her, but she was still the best looking girl there IMHO. We went back to her bar because my buddy was interested in one of the girls. Surprisingly, he pulled the trigger! I was ecstatic. We went to eat then parted ways. He took a cab back to IC, I got a room at Aya Boutique (I just like to be walking distance).

I noticed that she was a little drunker tonight, she must've had some customers buying her shots before I got there. No worries, its a business. To be honest, I'd almost rather that the girls were pounding shots of water. I was speculative at first so when I owed her a tequila, I'd have her get another one for me. Then take hers. To no difference. For girls to push these lady drinks, it seems it comes at price.

Anyway, we got back to hotel for more of the same that happened the previous night. I won't bore you with the details. My last night in Pattaya was slightly limited, but I am 100% happy with my decision. I will be back to pattaya sooner than later!

The next plan was to hit Bangkok for 2 days. I asked my girl if she'd like to join as she mentioned she had Friday off. She took sat off to and we enjoyed each other's company. My Bangkok trip ended up being much tamer than planned from a mongering perspective so I will not even bother reporting. For those interested, she did not charge me anything for the 2 days. I covered hotel, food and whatnot, and gave her a tip when leaving each other at the airport which she seemed thankful for. But for a stunning spinner that I could actually carry a conversation for. I'm considering expediting my return there as spending a week with her would be much cheaper than a week of mongering with barfines and what have you.

A couple final pts:

- Obviously I am head over heels for this girl, but not a naive fool. I'd like to get back sooner than later, and will definitely inquire about meeting up, but I'd be interested in what the veterans would say to me here. A true GFE with what seems to be compatible rapport is not easy to find, my buddy thinks I'm crazy for even messaging with her since returning to US.

- Is there a trend with australian boyfriends? This girl, and another that I met mentioned that they were both in 2+ year relationships that did not work out. Coincidence?

Over and out all.

-TJM.

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[QUOTE=HardKnock 734;2012454]Thrilled with my decision at this point. I must say that every time I doubted her, she ended up proving my paranoia wrong. Reading so much about the deception and whatnot, I was weary. Said by an American newbie visiting Thailand. "I think I'm falling for this girl ".[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2012472] A couple final pts:

- Obviously I am head over heels for this girl, but not a naive fool. I'd like to get back sooner than later, and will definitely inquire about meeting up, but I'd be interested in what the veterans would say to me here. A true GFE with what seems to be compatible rapport is not easy to find, my buddy thinks I'm crazy for even messaging with her since returning to US.

- Is there a trend with australian boyfriends? This girl, and another that I met mentioned that they were both in 2+ year relationships [/QUOTE]I'm not saying that it wouldn't work out but most of the members on here would recommend you keep the relationship strictly business. Just remember that these girls are working for a reason, they need money. You will send her money every month possibly but she will continue working, even if she tells you otherwise. She possibly already has a few guys already sending her money thinking she is exclusive to them. Keep it casual and enjoy your time with her when you are in Pattaya but keep it at that. Nothing wrong with a little R & R every few months with this girl. Great to see your trip was so successful.

Thank you BKKdog, for being my voice of reason. Spoken like a true expert as you are 100% right! I like the occasional R&R idea, a buddy already wants to go out there with me after hearing my stories and I am thinking of half mongering with him, then the other half with her. But who knows, so much talent in Pattaya, the girl I was obsessing over below could end up being the first of many temp GFs.

In the meantime, just looking for a cheap flight from California to BKK.

Cheers mate,

TJM.

Sounds like you had a wonderful time. Always nice to meet 1 or 3 keepers in a trip.

[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2012472] For those interested, she did not charge me anything for the 2 days. I covered hotel, food and whatnot, and gave her a tip when leaving each other at the airport which she seemed thankful for. [/QUOTE]A bit confused here. You said she didn't charge you but you left her a tip. Unless your tip was only 1000 or 2000 baht it can be argued that she charged you.

[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2012472] A true GFE with what seems to be compatible rapport is not easy to find, my buddy thinks I'm crazy for even messaging with her since returning to US.
[/QUOTE] I may be wrong and this may be your soul mate but imo if you were able to find the one you "love" in 3=5 days. You likely have the personality to find another quite easily. "Love" really isn't difficult to find in Pattaya.

There is nothing wrong with continually messaging them. Just DO NOT send them any money or even hint that you are going to support them one way or another. Always be wary these girls are more savvy than you think. They have met so many guys each night and gain experience from their friends' stories that they have heard every story in the book already. Like any girl they are very adept to saying what you want to hear.

[QUOTE=Allover;2012375]The guys with big budgets are happiest because they have big budgets.[/QUOTE]

So true. In Thailand there is no expression money can't buy love and happiness.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2012755]
I may be wrong and this may be your soul mate but imo if you were able to find the one you "love" in 3=5 days. You likely have the personality to find another quite easily. "Love" really isn't difficult to find in Pattaya.

There is nothing wrong with continually messaging them. Just DO NOT send them any money or even hint that you are going to support them one way or another. Always be wary these girls are more savvy than you think. They have met so many guys each night and gain experience from their friends' stories that they have heard every story in the book already. Like any girl they are very adept to saying what you want to hear.
[/QUOTE]Good advice. I've been messaging a girl I met in BKK last trip and keep expecting her to ask me for $$. I will admit I'm 'smitten' - ie we had some wonderful GFE time together, but I know there's no end-game here. I live in the US and she works for $$ by selling sex in BKK. I look forward to seeing her again my next trip in May, but I don't plan on supporting her or marrying her.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2012755]Sounds like you had a wonderful time. Always nice to meet 1 or 3 keepers in a trip.

A bit confused here. You said she didn't charge you but you left her a tip. Unless your tip was only 1000 or 2000 baht it can be argued that she charged you.

I may be wrong and this may be your soul mate but imo if you were able to find the one you "love" in 3=5 days. You likely have the personality to find another quite easily. "Love" really isn't difficult to find in Pattaya.

There is nothing wrong with continually messaging them. Just DO NOT send them any money or even hint that you are going to support them one way or another. Always be wary these girls are more savvy than you think. They have met so many guys each night and gain experience from their friends' stories that they have heard every story in the book already. Like any girl they are very adept to saying what you want to hear.



So true. In Thailand there is no expression money can't buy love and happiness.[/QUOTE]Thanks BB for your reply. I had 2000 baht in my pocket when we got to the airport. I knew the shuttle back to Pattaya would be 1000 or less depending on the method she chose. I gave her what I had, and it appeared to surprise her, but maybe she expected it all along.

I doubt you are wrong, but spot on rather. I'll be the first to admit that one of my flaws has and probably always will be falling head over heels for someone a bit too quickly. The fact that she was hot and being in the land of smiles for the first time definitely contributed to the euphoria. My buddies always joked that I'm a "premature proposer". I guess knowing that is what makes me extremely hesitant to get married as I advance into my 30's! Well that and the fact that I don't want kids and there is so much talent out there in the world.

And touche on the business savvy part. She hasn't done anything to violate my trust thus far as every time I've doubted her it was my own paranoia. I'm waiting for the money request to come though. Yes she is great at telling me what I want to hear. Thanks for the insight, I truly appreciate the guidance.

TJM.

The Smitten Bug seems to be affecting many of us, and we are wise to absorb Banana Boi's wisdom.

I am not immune (and damn Facebook Messenger, damn it to hell! My little Airport Club girl (claims to be former), a second-generation SW with a sister who also has plied the trade, is providing me with ongoing commentary about Gogogirl Economics 101, which is to say there is no logic. She messages her plight (no money) while posting FB photos of the meals she's been purchasing from restaurants, and bemoans that she cannot support the two young children (from two fathers, Thai and Frog, neither of whom is alleged to provide any support) on the salary of her legitimate chosen profession (claims to have a college degree), 9000 baht a month. Hooking at Airport Club provides 30,000 (about US $850, and I'm assuming this is base salary from the club, so those 3500 long-time barfines must surely be appealing to the dancers. I, too, wonder about repeating if I visit within their normal Patts life cycle of a few months. But. Prolly. Nah. One turnoff is her bitching about an Australian sponsor calling it quits and suggesting that, for money, she remain at the agogo. When I commiserated (in person) over the fathers' dereliction of duty, she defended the scoundrels. Go figure. And this is one of the smarter ones.

[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2012448]
Went back to beer bar just first hell if it, she was gone:

Took a taxi back to the hotel, not the day 1 I was expecting but that just meant that I had some work to do over the next 2 days![/QUOTE]With so many girls, it is difficult to settle on just one. You find a cute one, then you think if you go to one more bar, you will find a cuter one, and often you don't so you go search for another, or like you, work your way back to the first girl and find she is gone. It is then late and / or you are tired and you just give up.

Keep in mind that the 900 baht you saved is just $26! I have lost out on a few hotties for the same reasons, and sitting here at home in small town USA right now, I am not thinking how much better off I am because I went back to my hotel alone and saved a few bucks I will never miss.

Perfectly normal.

[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2012454]
Thrilled with my decision at this point. I must say that every time I doubted her, she ended up proving my paranoia wrong. Reading so much about the deception and whatnot, I was weary. Said by an American newbie visiting Thailand. "I think I'm falling for this girl ".[/QUOTE]Hey glad to see that LOS has still got its charm. My first visit was in 2014 and I met someone who I felt extremely head over heels for we texted, whatsapp, video called you name it.

Never did she once bring up money BTW. In fact I was so infatuated that I booked a trip before I was on the airplane heading back home a couple of months later. I even went as far as to consider dropping my then GF back home now wife for her. Then I spoke to a couple of people including some here on the forum and here are my findings and I hope they help:

1) unfortunately some guys more than other always relate sex to love, conditioning in psychology, so you think you are in love with her.

2) this experience will put things into perspective for you it will certainly do wonders to the previous notion of sex=love.

3) talking about it helps, as you already did on the forum.

4) nothing wrong with maintaining friendships there as long as YOU are in control of your feelings AND wallet.

5) not all girls although they might seem like it are programmed to take your money only. They are human after all and hence you shouldn't only think that it's a business transaction.

Sorry for the long post but I hope it helps.

[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2012454]
Thrilled with my decision at this point. I must say that every time I doubted her, she ended up proving my paranoia wrong. Reading so much about the deception and whatnot, I was weary. Said by an American newbie visiting Thailand. "I think I'm falling for this girl ".[/QUOTE]Once you get a GF or a wife, the sex always drops off a lot.

The big advantage of a regular hooker is you get good sex when you expect it. With a long term GF you don't get sex when you expect it. Do you want the girl so much that lack of sex does not matter?

You judge girls by what they do and not what they say. It takes at least 2 years to start to know the real personality and longer if you are apart a lot. Bad things are well hidden at first.

"Fast proposer" That is real scary.

Worst thing to do is to acquire a GF too fast. Slow down before do crazy things. Give it lots of time to consider things more rationally. Hopefully some other guy will act too fast and save you from the wrong girl. Girls are looking for some nice guy to look after them.

If I never had any wives or GFs I would be a rich man and would have had a much better paid only sex life.

All girls that seemed fabulous at first seem not so wonderful a few years down the track. They get bored with us and we get bored with them.

Right now I like being a Thai girl's 2nd BF. 1st BF does not know about me. I don't have prime responsibility to look after her for the rest of time. Maybe we will be bored with each other in two years and it will die off. Enjoy it while it lasts.

[QUOTE=Moegy;2012810]Hey glad to see that LOS has still got its charm. My first visit was in 2014 and I met someone who I felt extremely head over heels for we texted, whatsapp, video called you name it.

Never did she once bring up money BTW. In fact I was so infatuated that I booked a trip before I was on the airplane heading back home a couple of months later. I even went as far as to consider dropping my then GF back home now wife for her. Then I spoke to a couple of people including some here on the forum and here are my findings and I hope they help:

Sorry for the long post but I hope it helps.[/QUOTE]Moegy,

I can totally relate, and appreciate your 5 bullet points. All I've been doing since I returned was looking for a return flight / recruiting friends to go back there with me this year. On the flight home, my best friend spent the whole flight telling me how reckless the thought of even considering anything long term was. To add a little, I never really justified my feelings beyond the sex so I shall do so now. Sure beauty played a part, but that is common. What I long for more is that personality, being fun / compatible and having a good outlook on life. From that perspective, she checked the boxes. Sure, it was 4 days and 5 years from now I'll probably look back at these posts and call myself a bloody idiot! She said she will take off whenever I come back, so we will see. Am I naive to think that she truly enjoyed my company and posing as my GF? Either way, it's all good, and I think if it came down to experiencing this or not, I'd choose the former in a heartbeat.

May I ask how your similar conquest in 2014 stands with you today?

All the best.

TJM.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2012851]Once you get a GF or a wife, the sex always drops off a lot.

The big advantage of a regular hooker is you get good sex when you expect it. With a long term GF you don't get sex when you expect it. Do you want the girl so much that lack of sex does not matter?

You judge girls by what they do and not what they say. It takes at least 2 years to start to know the real personality and longer if you are apart a lot. Bad things are well hidden at first.

"Fast proposer" That is real scary.

Worst thing to do is to acquire a GF too fast. Slow down before do crazy things. Give it lots of time to consider things more rationally. Hopefully some other guy will act too fast and save you from the wrong girl. Girls are looking for some nice guy to look after them.

If I never had any wives or GFs I would be a rich man and would have had a much better paid only sex life.

All girls that seemed fabulous at first seem not so wonderful a few years down the track. They get bored with us and we get bored with them.

Right now I like being a Thai girl's 2nd BF. 1st BF does not know about me. I don't have prime responsibility to look after her for the rest of time. Maybe we will be bored with each other in two years and it will die off. Enjoy it while it lasts.[/QUOTE]Syygies, spoken like a true veteran. I appreciate all the feedback from everyone in sharing their lessons learned in this matter. All excellent points. Here in the US, I'd never jump into something so quickly (the premature proposer was more of a joke with friends), and I just have to take a step back and follow my standard operating procedure. Good call, time is key in getting to know someone and 5 days is not very long. Time will tell, and I will keep the forum in the loop with any developments / updates.

Is there a crack down on sex industry?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2012956]Is there a crack down on sex industry?[/QUOTE]April Fool's Day is next week.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2012956]Is there a crack down on sex industry?[/QUOTE] Ever since the new government came to power, they have been trying to improve Thailand's worldwide image, since it achieves little else. Be seen to be trying to stamp out the most questionable aspects of the sex industry. Other countries with large numbers of hookers may not get the same publicity as Thailand, simply because they are less desirable as sex destinations.

Government tries to make police do the inspections and raids properly instead of just receiving bribes to turn a blind eye. Police visits to establishments to check have increased and may occur with no advance warning. Some places closed temporarily and some even permanently, e. G. The famous Nataree in Bangkok.

Officially massage shops and gogos, etc. Are not allowed to sell sex and complete nudity is not allowed. However realistically, the government focussed on stamping out "sex trafficking" and low age girls. So no Thai national girls are not permitted to work (in case they maybe trafficked in some way). Girls may have to cover up at work for special crackdown periods, when normally would be nude or close to it.

Some sex establishments have relatively few problems, due to close links with Police, which means they get advance warnings of Police visits. In the current day, it is far too risky for any establishment to keep girls not old enough.

Massage shops should not have any condoms. LOL Since it provides evidence that sex is going on.

Men expect to be able to get plentiful sex with the most beautiful young girls for free. Therefore selling it should be illegal. Sex toys should be illegal since helps women to get themselves off without using a man. Women don't want their husbands to be able to find out what good sex is like. Have them committed to the boredom and poor supply of only fucking one woman for ever.

[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2012454]Said by an American newbie visiting Thailand. "I think I'm falling for this girl ".[/QUOTE]Would you fall for a hooker back home? Remember, you are the customer. Do you go head over heels for the waitress at your favorite restaurant because she gave you good service? Don't get confused when the service is in the sex/companionship department.

The relationships usually do not work out because the guy finally gets tired of sending money (usually after the first few months) and realizes he wants to fuck someone else. I don't know about traveling half way around the world mainly for 1 hooker, but to each his own. The beauty of Thailand and PI is the GFE. Had you given others the chance then I am sure you could have replicated the experience with no problem.

Bell Travel bus from the airport that drops you off at your hotel is 350. The regular bus is cheaper than that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2012960]Would you fall for a hooker back home?[/QUOTE]Hookers are real humans too, who may want to quit if they have a good option. Plenty of guys do end up marrying them. Doesn't mean it is best idea, but why not?

The big problem is thinking the apparent "love" is real, when it is only lust, sex or performing. I don't recommend acquiring a GF too quickly regardless of what they do. You don't know the personality. My 2nd worst ever choice of partners was my Farang ex wife. Difficult personality, communication problems. Worst GF was a Thai girl that turned out to be psycho will evil thoughts, where moved in with her too quick, before knew her personality. One other Thai longterm girlfriend (non hooker) was a very nice girl, but we were sexually incompatible and frequency was too low. Problems are not particularly related to whether the girl was ever a hooker or not.

Some guys are not aware their GF was once a hooker. I have heard this from some several girls keeping their previous hooker occupation secret from a boyfriend.

Does not make a lot of sense though, that guys who want to fuck around, would suddenly forget this, and think they could stick to one Thai hooker, and possibly support her, ending up making her far more expensive per fuck, than normal. What for? Guys sometimes fall into a relationship accidentally, failing to put the brakes on at a sensible time. I always say take a very long time to learn what the girl is really like deep down, and allow time for a more sensible change of mind. At first you never really know her, especially girls from another culture.

One buddy, was separated from his Farang wife of many years and getting divorced. Met his new Thai GF on first day in Thailand. The sex was phenomenal. LOL He was married to her and back in home country before long. She had a really evil mouth on her. I could not listen to her for long. Buddy did not understand her ugly Thai. He understood well enough in English. After she got permanent residence, she found a new younger man and took the buddies house, car etc. He was close to broke after two divorces. Came back to Thailand and Cambodia and within 4 weeks, had a new even younger Cambodian girlfriend (hooked on ice). Before long bought a house for her in Phnom Penh and got her pregnant. Have to be stunned how fast he operates. Jumping out of the kettle into the fire.

There are some damn nice girls in Thailand too. However take a lot of time. Compatibility is not an obvious thing.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2012960]Would you fall for a hooker back home? The relationships usually do not work out because the guy finally gets tired of sending money (usually after the first few months) and realizes he wants to fuck someone else. I don't know about traveling half way around the world mainly for 1 hooker, but to each his own.[/QUOTE]Mr E,

You always talk sense and there are 2 key points. No, back home I would take the time with a hooker as money spent for the agreed upon time. Even though my experience here was much longer, it is still one in the same isn't it.

Man, traveling halfway around the world for one person, now that you put it that way. That does sound outlandish.

Soapie massage tax coming soon to Pattaya. 1000 baht per session.

I may just go for one tomorrow before the tax hits! Been about a year since I sessioned in a soapie.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2012985]Soapie massage tax coming soon to Pattaya. 1000 baht per session.

I may just go for one tomorrow before the tax hits! Been about a year since I sessioned in a soapie.[/QUOTE]Ha ha! Is this an April fools joke? You can't tax sex sessions that are officially not happening.

That is a good way to put them out of business quickly. Can Soapies magically change into Oilies? I like to go to an Oily with an optional sudsy Jacuzzi bath.

In old days some Soapies had a low up front fee to girl for an Ancient Healing Thai Massage, just happened to have a bath first, and then you slipped the girl cash for unofficial sex, e. G. 500 or so baht 25 years ago, or 1 K 15 years ago.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2012958] Some places closed temporarily and some even permanently, e. G. The famous Nataree in Bangkok.
.[/QUOTE]Buddy of mine visited a week before they were closed down, told me they used to keep the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls hidden in a back area for those looking for that. He said when he visited the papasan had the young girls lined up outside along with the other girls. He even told my buddy 'that one is only 14' and my friend said as the guy pointed to the girl the girl got a terrified look on her face. He said it looked like they were just asking for trouble having the young girls right out in the open and sure enough they got closed down soon after.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2012958]Some places closed temporarily and some even permanently, e. G. The famous Nataree in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]That place had seen better days and was a dump anyway. It needed to be closed for that reason alone if you ask me. Well, glad I got to experience it at least once!

[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2012968]
Man, traveling halfway around the world for one person, now that you put it that way. That does sound outlandish.[/QUOTE]It does sound outlandish to me as well. That said, I will say this girl is in my head. Still no appeals for money, so that's good. However, I know there's no long play here. I'm back in BKK in may so I'll likely see her then, but don't plan on seeing her exclusively. And after that I won't be back again until September. I can't sustain a WhatsApp chat relationship that long.

What's silly is I've made 'connections' several times over the years with girls in Germany and other places, and miss them, but never connected on chat afterwards. I guess one end game is to turn off chat or mute her.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2013004]Ha ha! Is this an April fools joke? You can't tax sex sessions that are officially not happening.[/QUOTE]We can only hope. From one of the Pattaya news sources.

"the ceiling excise tax rate for a cigarette is 5 baht, 3,000 baht for a litre of beer, 1,000 baht for one service at a massage parlour, 1,000 bath for a square metre of space in a nightclub and 20 baht per litre of carbonated soft drinks and 20 baht for a litre of diesel. " "will become enforceable in the next 180 days. ".

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2013208]We can only hope. From one of the Pattaya news sources.

"the ceiling excise tax rate for a cigarette is 5 baht, 3,000 baht for a litre of beer, 1,000 baht for one service at a massage parlour, 1,000 bath for a square metre of space in a nightclub and 20 baht per litre of carbonated soft drinks and 20 baht for a litre of diesel. " "will become enforceable in the next 180 days. ".[/QUOTE]3000 for litre of beer? Must be typo there. 30 Baht? Maybe they are pulling our legs?

Now you say 1k Tax for MPs, not specific to Soapies? Now it's a "ceiling" rate? What does that in practice mean? Is the actual proposed tax supposed to be a percentage of the fee up until some ceiling is reached? In some places a Massage may cost 400 Baht. No one is going to pay 1K tax on top of that.

Another article referred to only soapies where sexual servies are obvious. An oily massage in Pattaya does not necessarily mean there is FS by any means, at least in the shop.

Who knows if this stuff is legit but an easy search on "excise tax Pattaya" will bring up a few recent articles.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2013250]Another article referred to only soapies where sexual servies are obvious. An oily massage in Pattaya does not necessarily mean there is FS by any means, at least in the shop.

Who knows if this stuff is legit but an easy search on "excise tax Pattaya" will bring up a few recent articles.[/QUOTE]Anyway, if paid sex is illegal, I don't see how it can be taxed. Most MPs are trying to pretend their is no sex going on there. Signs on the walls state that no sex will occur under any circumstances. LOL.

I now quote the the Stickboy article more fully (including the obvious deliberate error):

"New excise tax ceiling rates have been passed into law after they were published in the Royal Gazette on Monday.

The rates set tax levels for the next 20 years and are enforceable in the next 180 days, however, the head of the Excise Department said on Tuesday some 80 other laws would have to be enacted in order for the new amendments to be used to set % increases.

Several examples of the new ceiling excise tax rates include:

A single cigarette 5 baht.

A litre of beer 3,000 baht.

A litre of carbonated soft drinks 20 baht.

A litre of diesel 20 baht.

A single service at a massage parlour 1,000 baht.

A square metre of space in a nightclub 1,000 baht.

As I mentioned the other day, no need to panic about sharp increases as those outlined above are the maximum increases over the next two decades.

5 baht for a single cigarette would see 100 baht added to a pack of 20 that isn't happening in one go, nor is the 1,000 baht for a massage or any of the others in the new bill.

When will we see an actual tax increases? Likely by the end of the year but not at those rates above, that's for sure.
"

Another article suggested ([URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/974753-cost-of-vice-to-skyrocket-cigarettes-and-soapy-massage-charges%C2%A0expected-to-rise-dramatically/[/URL]):

"Excise charges on bathing at massage parlors is set to go up by 1,000 baht a time. ".

It's all so silly really. If 1 K was really collectable, all these places will go out of business. Escorts will take over, LOL until they get a high tax.

I guess all those guys who hate taking a bath, won't have to any more, LOL. Just go straight to the sex.

"A square meter of space in a nightclub 1,000 baht. ".

That's a quick way to kill tourism just imagine the cover charge w would have to pay just to get in.

Hit Soi 6 and Kinnaree. Made a couple walks up and down 6 but nothing really stood out. Imo talent pool currently a bit week. Decided to hit Kinnaree. I was disappointed. Most girls were traditional Thai look that Syzy would prefer. Not ugly but again nothing stood out. I was literally about to leave when I met a great new girl her first day on the job. I tried training her well for you guys. She is keen and definitely not a pro. Of note, Kinnaree now requires health checks for girls. I'm assuming this is part of the new clampdown.

Also made a pass along BR on a baht bus last night. Quite a few girls out and some looked ok, from the baht bus anyways. Would have hopped off but made arrangements to meet a buddy on Walking Street.

Just returned from my very first time to Pattaya. Had an amazing time and wish I was able to stay longer than I had. I honestly miss it already and do plan on coming back for vacation soon. And if it's possible, a good destination for expatriation or retirement as well.

Below are some quick highlights and summary of my trip.

Soapy Massage.

Visited Sabai Room on 2nd Road.

Interesting experience with the soaping and body gliding cleaning.

Although I had a good experience I didn't feel like it warranted a repeat.

Soi 6 Beer bars.

I felt really uncomfortable walking down this street. Perhaps because I was a newbie. And the thought of carrying a conversation with my nonexistent Thai and their nonexistent English also turned me away. Perhaps on my next trip, I'll be brave enough to venture inside one of those beer bars.

Walking Street and LK Metro Agogo bars.

8 total visited.

Windmill, Baccara, Iron Club on Walking Street.

Office, Touch, Sugar, Kiss, and Paradise on LK Metro.

Ended up bar fining girls at the Windmill, Sugar, Office and Kiss.

Great entertainment with music and party atmosphere, but expensive because my drinks and LDs, barfines added up quickly.

Beach Road Freelancers.

Had the most success and best bang for my buck here. Met with a total of 3 freelancers. I was content with all of them. Never felt any buyer's remorse.

- 20 year old Cambodian girl. Very pretty. Tiny petite little thing about 5'2" maybe.

- 26 year old Thai girl.

- 21 year old Cambodian girl. Beautiful girl, flawless skin, big round eyes. Solid 9 in my eyes and best looking girl of all the girls I've encountered in the entire trip. She was small and petite as well. 5'4" maybe. She is the only girl I repeated with; set up a LT date with her for the very next night, which also happened to be my last night. We banged, ate, then went clubbing till 3 am in the morning with 3 other of her girlfriends; one of which was the 20 yr old Cambodian I slept with the first night. I couldn't finish back at the hotel room because of the alcohol though.

Walking Street Freelancers.

I didn't have the guts to stop and talk to the walking freelancers on WS. Too self conscious about being seen. I guess I didn't have that problem on Beach Road because it's darker there with less people and all the guys there have the same motive anyways.

BJ Bar.

Checked out La Poste close by my hotel. I must say the quality there was pretty bad. I sat down at the bar and was approached one-by-one by 3 girls asking me "You want spend time with me? I had to politely reject them all. Finally, one I considered attractive walked from behind the bar and sat with me asking "Are you waiting for me?" I felt instant relief because I thought all along she was some owner / manager. I bought her a lady drink and the top came off. I took her to the back curtained area and experienced a magnificent BBBJCIM. She was attractive, a lot paler than fellow Thais; almost like Vietnamese features. Made sure I knew her schedule and I repeated with her on the last 3 consecutive days of my trip. On the second day I went there at store opening, there was another that was equally as attractive, but I decided to stay with girl from before since I knew what I was getting.

Club / Insomniac.

I walked into Insomniac one night around 2 am. Seems like a lot of working girls there waiting for customers. I understand all the agogo bar girls head there after 3:30 am, but I never got a chance to see what that was like since I'm usually done for the night with nothing left in the chamber. My 20 year old Cambodian FR took me to Lucifer on my last night, and another club I can't recall because of the alcohol in my system.

Summary.

Had the best time with BR freelancers. The 2 prettiest girls from my entire trip were the 2 Cambodian girls. I'll make more BR visits more often and only go sparingly to agogos to avoid the added cost of drinks and barfines. Plus a lot of the gogo girls after they sit with you, upon closer inspection aren't as fine as initially thought. Found the quality of BJ bar girls to be pretty bad, but found one really to my liking. Soapies probably one and done for me. Too shy and intimidated to try venture down Soi 6 and WS freelancers. The club scene interest me and I'the like to go about picking a freelancer there next time.

Number of days: 7.

Number of girls: 10.

Number of pops: 20.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2013598]Decided to hit Kinnaree. I was disappointed. Most girls were traditional Thai look that Syzy would prefer. Not ugly but again nothing stood out. I was literally about to leave when I met a great new girl her first day on the job. I tried training her well for you guys.[/QUOTE]I already liked Asian looks from when I was a teenager. James Bond so lucky in You Only Live Twice. LOL.

25 years ago, you may have struggled in Thailand. No westernised Thai girls or very few in Thermae, or bars. Not so many Japanese here. Young bar girls did not often have nose jobs and very few silicone implants as well. They could not afford it. Not many girls were already fat at age 22. Thai girls in those days tended to let themselves go to fat when married, having kids and reaching 35 Years Old.

Sure some fatties around, in fact my main buddy who was experienced liked them voluptuous to fat and said all my girls were skin and bones. We never wanted the same girl, almost never. Sometimes he could appreciate one of my girls not so skinny and with big natural tits. He like round faced girls, I liked slim faced girls.

My tastes have changed though. I am more fussy about looks than before. Especially about noses and avoiding very saggy stuff. Very saggy ass, belly or tits is big turn off.

Number of girls that are failures on the bed in modern day seems greater. Perhaps girls were much keener on Farangs in the old days and more horny. Soapies have declined badly for me. Perhaps can be good for you due to the westernised looks.

Rip off type girls have always existed but the numbers of these probably increase.

[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2012472]

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I'd like to get back sooner than later,


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[/QUOTE]Great report! Love it. Reminds me of my first trip to Pattaya nearly 2 decades ago. And till date I have exactly the same feeling each time I return home from a Thailand trip. Can't wait to get back. More power to you and thanks for writing an actual report!

[QUOTE]A couple final pts:

- Obviously I am head over heels for this girl, but not a naive fool. I'd like to get back sooner than later, and will definitely inquire about meeting up, but I'd be interested in what the veterans would say to me here. A true GFE with what seems to be compatible rapport is not easy to find, my buddy thinks I'm crazy for even messaging with her since returning to US.

- Is there a trend with australian boyfriends? This girl, and another that I met mentioned that they were both in 2+ year relationships that did not work out. Coincidence?

Over and out all.

-TJM.[/QUOTE]Can truly recommend you to read an excellent book from Stephen Leather: Private Dancer. It is a novel about love, betrayal and death in Thailand. After reading it at least you can not say you have not been warned about falling in love with a bargirl!

[QUOTE=Lakeside;2013812]Can truly recommend you to read an excellent book from Stephen Leather: Private Dancer. It is a novel about love, betrayal and death in Thailand. After reading it at least you can not say you have not been warned about falling in love with a bargirl![/QUOTE]That's my favorite book.

[QUOTE=Lakeside;2013812]Can truly recommend you to read an excellent book from Stephen Leather: Private Dancer. It is a novel about love, betrayal and death in Thailand. After reading it at least you can not say you have not been warned about falling in love with a bargirl![/QUOTE]Good tip! Just ordered it off Amazon. Any other recommendations?

He has another book named Angels of Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2013659]Soi 6 Beer bars.

I felt really uncomfortable walking down this street. Perhaps because I was a newbie. And the thought of carrying a conversation with my nonexistent Thai and their nonexistent English also turned me away. Perhaps on my next trip, I'll be brave enough to venture inside one of those beer bars.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 is one of the few places on this planet that you shouldn't be shy. The girls there are able to communicate what you need. Other girls and mamasans will help with translating if need be. It's your money, your vacation, and everybody on that soi is there for the same reason as you. Go for it! Same same for walking street but keep in mind a good percentage of SWs on Walking Street are ladyboys. And with some of them it is very hard to tell.

You actually did a great job especially for your first trip. Your trip report was great as well.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2013981]He has another book named Angels of Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Sounds like he's done some real research!

I came to an epiphany last night. This girl has been in my head since I left BKK. The mistake was connecting on chat after I left. I'm not going to cut off the chat, but I've rationalized that I'm likely one of MANY guys she's working with the same type of communications. I'm not special, I'm just a prospect. I'm fine with that, and I like having the connection for a good time next time I'm in BKK; but that means there's no 'emotional' connection. I can play the game and keep her on the hook, and to help ensure a high GFE experience when I'm back, but with no personal feelings.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2013994]Sounds like he's done some real research!

I came to an epiphany last night. This girl has been in my head since I left BKK. The mistake was connecting on chat after I left. I'm not going to cut off the chat, but I've rationalized that I'm likely one of MANY guys she's working with the same type of communications. I'm not special, I'm just a prospect. I'm fine with that, and I like having the connection for a good time next time I'm in BKK; but that means there's no 'emotional' connection. I can play the game and keep her on the hook, and to help ensure a high GFE experience when I'm back, but with no personal feelings.[/QUOTE]Congratulations! You've made the right decision and you won't regret it.

[QUOTE=Allover;2013983]Same same for walking street but keep in mind a good percentage of SWs on Walking Street are ladyboys. And with some of them it is very hard to tell.[/QUOTE]Since the police have put checkpoints at the few places on Walking Street where ladyboy SWs would stand, their numbers have drastically decreased. Probably because most were only out there to rob and pickpocket.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2014159]Since the police have put checkpoints at the few places on Walking Street where ladyboy SWs would stand, their numbers have drastically decreased. Probably because most were only out there to rob and pickpocket.[/QUOTE]I have my first ever extended trip there this summer. Finally some good news about Pattaya. Thanks Mr. E.

[QUOTE=Lakeside;2013812]Can truly recommend you to read an excellent book from Stephen Leather: Private Dancer. It is a novel about love, betrayal and death in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a good book for me to read as well. I had recently a nasty episode with one money-grubbing hooker I knew long time, which left bad taste in my mouth.

Arrived yesterday in Pattaya and after check in headed for Soi 6. I think mid afternoon was a little early but walked up and down until I saw a nice spinner that caught my eye. Promptly came in from out of the heat and had a few drinks and chat. Think I will offer to test her out later today.

Meet up with Mike747 and we headed to LK Metro around 6 pm. After some cool drinks we headed into Touch. Nice bar with some good options. A little early to take as we planned to take a few girls each back to the hotel. Moved onto a few others and found The Office had the better options. Again a little early so we went to WS and headed into Sapphire. IMHO Sapphire had the best looking girls and the biggest lineup. Mike747 quickly selected his two and I was still scoping the options. We enjoyed a few hours there and decided to bar fine his two and collect them later. We then headed into some of the other bars. Went into Skyfall, Baccara and a few others that I cannot recall. IMHO the quality was not there and probably on par with LK Metro. Less tourists to deal with in LK Metro.

Finally decided to head back to Sapphire and collect the girls and I selected one as well. Took them back to the hotel and decided to all party in one room. Mike747 was keen to have all the girls naked so he lead the way by setting the rules and stripping down naked first. The girls soon followed. While they were good fun and we Bar fined them for ST it all felt a little rushed. One of the girls particularly was keen to leave as soon as she could. Mike747 gave her a hard time about her going back on what was agreed and he sorted her out while I played with my date.

All said, mine was a really into the night's activity and provided good service. She had a nice body. Would love to try her again but so many to taste in Pattaya so will not bother.

So first day I managed to do LK Metro, Soi 6 and Walking Street. Today will scope out gentlemens clubs and try a Soi 7 and 8 option.

Thanks to Mike747 for a fun evening. Always great to party with an ISG member.

[QUOTE=Lakeside;2013812]Can truly recommend you to read an excellent book from Stephen Leather: Private Dancer. It is a novel about love, betrayal and death in Thailand. After reading it at least you can not say you have not been warned about falling in love with a bargirl![/QUOTE]What an excellent book. I was never aware of such a book before my trip to Pattaya, but I've spent the past 2 days reading the entire thing based on the recommendation. There are many lessons that can be learned and gathered from it. Thankfully, I don't have to worry about falling in love with a bargirl.

Three days in Pattaya.

I am not a fan of the gogo bars. I hunt at massage shops, Soi 6 and bars where I can play pool. I usually stay near Soi 6 at Centara Pattaya or Nova Gold Hotels. There are cheaper more basic options there but I am ok with about 1,500 per night. Right across from Centara Pattaya on a soi marked as 4 (on opposite side of Soi 6 between a Bangkok Bank on one corner and a 7-11 on the other corner) is a small, nothing special, massage place. I stopped in for a foot massage and the woman was trying to upsell me to an oil massage "upstairs". She looked ok but not a real beauty. I passed. The 2nd time I was in there I was joking about the special massage and decided to take the offer. She looks to be mid-30's and is 43. She has the body of a 20 year old with no babies. She is very tight, possibly nympho and maybe enjoyed it even more than me. She rimmed me sucked me fucked me and seemed to have no boundaries. I did not try anal but would not be surprised if she liked it. I'm more into chemistry and service with acceptable looks rather than stunning beauty. If that works for you, try her out. Ask for Noi.

On Soi 6 I stopped in at Scooter's bar. It is closer to Beach Road on the right as you walk down from 2nd road. It was maybe 6 PM and packed with (probably) expats. It was a different vibe with no pressure for "one dink". Some men were paired up with with ladies buying drinks. I spied a tall looker with stylish bobbed hair and she joined me for a drink. We soon agreed on takeout service. They have no rooms on site. She said ST hotel nearby is 400 baht, 500 bar fine and winced at the 1000 to her that I thought was normal. I countered with going to my room and giving her 1,400. That worked. She too was a good and enthusiastic performer. Rim, BBBJ and covered sex to finish. I do recommend that you try Lek but if you do the math you see I paid more than the typical Soi 6 bar. My other experiences were with pool bar ladies and while good for me, I have no specific recommendation for you.

C4 T.

After a very long first day decided a more moderate start was needed on day two. Went to Soi 6 and played pool in a couple of bars. Nothing caught the eye. I think the two bars and Lisa Bar had the best talent. Spoke to a few old timers who lamented the gradual changes to Soi 6. I found it fun but they say the LE is driving business down.

Went to Soi 7 & 8 and bar hopped in a few smaller bars. Again nothing that caught the eye.

Finally went back to LK Metro and checked out a few gogos. Stopped in the office and after a few good rounds of drinks I decided to bar fine. Must say that some of the girls were good looking but not a lot of punters. Went with my date to WS and dropped into iBar. Very crowded but there was a good girl to guy ratio. Seemed a lot of smiles were being returned when I looked at them. Had a date so was not interested but put it in the memory bank for another night.

Stayed at iBar for a while and then took my date back to hotel. Was not sure what to expect but with the amount of alcohol we had drunk we were both well warmed up. The date was a true GFE. Very affectionate and was eager to please. Without asking she stayed the night and well into the day. A real surprise and that is what makes the hunting worthwhile.

Planning on hitting iBar tonight. See what the night brings.

Happy hunting.

Hi guys,

I've been to Pattaya a few years ago. I'd like to come back there in May or June and I am wondering if any of you guys know the "wind" condition during May to June?

I mean, I am looking for a nice spot to enjoy daily activities such as kite surfing while still being able to enjoy the nightlife and I'm a bit concerned that during May to June, it might not be very windy.

I've also hear about Hua Hin as good kitesurf spot but I'm not sure that's a great place for mongers.

Any Pattaya experts willing to help me?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2014826]What an excellent book. I was never aware of such a book before my trip to Pattaya, but I've spent the past 2 days reading the entire thing based on the recommendation. There are many lessons that can be learned and gathered from it. Thankfully, I don't have to worry about falling in love with a bargirl.[/QUOTE]I'm only a couple dozen pages in, but yeah. Good read! Certainly puts my Thai crush in perspective!

There are a bunch of good reads like Private dancer. You can get those books while in town at Canterberry book store at Triangle soi just off Soi Baukhau as I call it. Can have breakfast while scoping out the massage parlor too.

Private Dancer is a book like many that is exciting to read, shocking to some but I also recommend Thailand Fever, boring to many but provides more information and example's to the Thai thinking and culture.

[QUOTE=Valoulou;2015090]I've been to Pattaya a few years ago. I'd like to come back there in May or June and I am wondering if any of you guys know the "wind" condition during May to June?

I mean, I am looking for a nice spot to enjoy daily activities such as kite surfing.[/QUOTE]You do not want to do shit like that in Thailand if you want to keep living. I had to learn it the hard way. The place itself is unsafe enough without adding shit like that to the mix.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2014906]On Soi 6 I stopped in at Scooter's bar.I spied a tall looker with stylish bobbed hair and she joined me for a drink. We soon agreed on takeout service. They have no rooms on site. She said ST hotel nearby is 400 baht, 500 bar fine and winced at the 1000 to her that I thought was normal. I countered with going to my room and giving her 1,400. That worked. [/QUOTE]Fuck that wince. I give her and her friend 1000 each long time for 3 somes when they are off the clock. The other girl just started working there. I originally met her in 808 back in November and did a 3 some with the chick she was with then too. When she started working there she hit me up and asked if I wanted to do a 3 some with the chick you are talking about and sent me pictures. I think they are always together in the bar. Thanks for the tip on Noi.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2015259]You do not want to do shit like that in Thailand if you want to keep living. I had to learn it the hard way. The place itself is unsafe enough without adding shit like that to the mix.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this optimistic response haha.

What do you mean by "unsafe enough"? I know that some jet ski activities are big scam there but I've found a couple of kite surf school in Jomtien that seem "pro". I was just wondering if anyone had experiences with this before.

Would love to know what you mean by "you do not want to do shit like that in Thailand if you want to keep living"? Are you talking about the weather condition, the boat and jet ski activities? Un Security due to Thai? Scams? Low quality materials? I'm not sure what you mean by all that.

Of course, if you're telling me that it is a foolish idea I will probably stick to nightlife but would love to know more about what you meant here.

Sorry if that post is "unrelated" to nightlife in Pattaya.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2015229]There are a bunch of good reads like Private dancer. You can get those books while in town at Canterberry book store at Triangle soi just off Soi Baukhau as I call it.[/QUOTE]Or you can download and save the PDF version for free: [URL]http://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/145803/Private_Dancer.pdf[/URL].

SL.

Some gogo bar reports this past week. Many many girls missing gone home just after high season and to take their kids on vacation for Summer break.

Fahrenheit. Ok but didn't stay long as I knew before going none of my 3 girls would be there.

Mandarin. New mamasan all my girls left. Anyone know where Nut or Pan went that would be appreciated.

Wildcats. My girl wasn't around. Nothing else there to warrant a lady drink even though this is a dirty club.

Pheromones. Lineup downhill but my girl still cute.

Glass House - 2 very nice top end girls.

Sensations. Holy crap still amazing. Everyone look pretty decent. Saw the best looking Thai girl I have seen to date here. #28. Looks like Avril Lavigne. Lots of fun but I was already too busy. Next time she's mine.

Baccara. Disappointing with my lofty expectations of this place.

Ginza - 1 very nice girl attracted me in. 1 very attractive girl couldn't keep me in. Left when I saw the rest of the lineup. Average.

Taboo. Pass but my ex-Sapphire buddy is here. Still hot.

LK Metro.

Ninja. Lineup down a lot but still fun for me with my friends.

Gold - 1 nice girl. Rest are forgetful.

Kaos. I like this place even though it's the size of a shoebox.

I likely missed a couple. Lineup down right now. Sensations is still the star but pure optics. Don't expect a lot of action in the club. Girls spoiled by Japanese and Korean.

Alcatraz shut down. I took some photos of the future of Walking Street. Many building and streets shut down. "Fires" in 2 buildings.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2015344]Or you can download and save the PDF version for free: [URL]http://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/145803/Private_Dancer.pdf[/URL].

SL.[/QUOTE]Thanks, guess I'm still old school. Like a newspaper I got to read with my hands feeling something and a giant cup of good coffee.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2015259]You do not want to do shit like that in Thailand if you want to keep living. I had to learn it the hard way. The place itself is unsafe enough without adding shit like that to the mix.[/QUOTE]You think it's safer in the DR?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2015377]Sensations. Holy crap still amazing. Everyone look pretty decent. Saw the best looking Thai girl I have seen to date here. #28. Looks like [b]Avril Lavigne[/b]. Lots of fun but I was already too busy. Next time she's mine.[/QUOTE]Please post a photo of her if you can make one! Have to see that.

Reg: Private dancer. Great book. However I do recommend people to read it after their first visit. You will def. Recognise so much!

Just ordered the following too which might be of interest to why'all!

[URL]https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1905379439/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1[/URL]

[URL]https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/190851809X/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1[/URL]

[URL]https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9810539185/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1[/URL]

[URL]https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0099535971/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1[/URL]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2015377]
Sensations. Holy crap still amazing. Everyone look pretty decent. Saw the best looking Thai girl I have seen to date here. #28. Looks like Avril Lavigne. Lots of fun but I was already too busy. Next time she's mine.

B.[/QUOTE]555- Avril Levigne. Totally your type.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2015414]You think it's safer in the DR?[/QUOTE]Actually I do. How many times do you hear about people dying scuba diving in Dominican Republic? Seems every week someone dies scuba diving (or just being in the water period by being cut up by props, ran into by boats, etc) in Thailand. Myself, I almost lost my foot from diving in Koh Tao. Never hear about many people dying on zip lines, being electrocuted, or falling off buildings in the DR either. So yes, I think DR is much safer than Thailand when it comes to extra carricular activities.

Well the last two days of the trip lived up to expectations. Decided on trying Heavens and was pleasantly surprised by the setup. A lot of girls with a great attitude. Selected one that I would not normally see as my type but she had a way about her that pricked me interest (pardon the pun). Total GFE and she was up for a long session. Not rushed and made the experience very well worthwhile. Actually good value and a great way to spend a few hours in the afternoon. BBQ was also really good. Girls were very friendly and relaxed.

Then took a taxi back to soi 7 & 8 and stopped into a few bars to watch some football. Was walking along Soi 7 I think and a spinner caught my eye in Pandora. Decided to stay a while a see how the evening went and eventually decided to take her back to hotel. Fantastic selection as she was a total GFE and was also very good at her craft. Again not normally a girl that I would take as she was a little more curvy but one thing I have learnt from this trip, even at my age, is Pattaya has some intringue to it. Go with the flow and see what happens. Certainly was a good selection and Pandora was fun. After another few hours of good sex I decided to head to WS. Dropped into Baccara and found it totally fake and probably worse than the one in BKK. Girls all had plastic boobs (not my style) and had eyes for the Asians. Must see 333 stamped on their foreheads. Reminds me of Thermae were being non Asian with cash means very little. Still, if they do not want my money I am happy to keep it for someone else.
Left and went to IBar. Was pumping but I was not in the mood for a FL pickup so headed to Sapphire. IMHO I think that it has the best lineup of more genuine girls. Not a lot of plastic boobs and it was pumping. The girls a lot more fun and showed a lot of eagerness. Not many asians in sight. Nothing against them at all but just do not get why the girls think that their money is better than mine. Anyway, I got very friendly with a couple of spinners who tempted me for a threesome, however given the day I decided to best save for next trip. Will be back at Sapphire again.

So all in all. Pattaya more than lived up to my expectations and I think is still a fun place for the hobby. Always easy to naviagate and the hotel I stayed at was well versed in how to handle the hobby. Actually an excellent hotel with great staff and central.

What else can a man ask for? Be back soon.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2015264]Fuck that wince. I give her and her friend 1000 each long time for 3 somes when they are off the clock. The other girl just started working there. I originally met her in 808 back in November and did a 3 some with the chick she was with then too. When she started working there she hit me up and asked if I wanted to do a 3 some with the chick you are talking about and sent me pictures. I think they are always together in the bar. Thanks for the tip on Noi.[/QUOTE]I'm negotiating with a different girl from 808. She quoted me 1500 and I didn't counter offer or hire her. The guys say she is cool with farangs. I am going to counter offer 1000 this weekend if I see her. The most I paid at 808 was 1200 and that was my.

First try as a newbie. I'm digging her because she seems to have a good personality. I can pick up better on girls' personalities better in discos than the beach. I mostly only window shop on the beach because most girls quote me 800 - 1000 whereas.

My experienced friends get 700 quotes. I have had girls decline my money on the beach or throw in rules to scare me away. I wish they would decline me upfront before asking about where I'm staying and wasting time deferring to their nearby friend.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2015578]Actually I do. How many times do you hear about people dying scuba diving in Dominican Republic? Seems every week someone dies scuba diving (or just being in the water period by being cut up by props, ran into by boats, etc) in Thailand. Myself, I almost lost my foot from diving in Koh Tao. Never hear about many people dying on zip lines, being electrocuted, or falling off buildings in the DR either. So yes, I think DR is much safer than Thailand when it comes to extra carricular activities.[/QUOTE]Safety standards may be better than China, where life has no value whatsoever, however this is not a recommendation. Everything Thai is lackadaisical ("mai bpen rai"). You could get framed for something by the Police too.

Although Thailand does not seem so dangerous it was ranked 39th most dangerous country in the world, and DomRep ranked 64th. Syria obviously No. 1. USA was 61st. Maybe surprisingly considered more dangerous than Dom Rep. Maybe not surprising to some.

[URL]http://www.atlasandboots.com/most-dangerous-countries-in-the-world-ranked/[/URL]

This does not relate specifically for accidents of course, more general levels of danger of being killed. Countries like NZ, Denmark, Iceland have very good ratings. Hardly surprising.

Last night my taxi driver told me that 6 people died 2 months ago near to where I live (in Bangkok) when a building next to the Wells International school collapsed. Shit I did not know about that. May have been away at the time. I can see the mess of rubble and metal tubing when I go to the 7 store. Am told it used to be 8 stories (now just chaos all at one level only) and had an vintage car showroom. Workers are there for the difficult clean up job. Who knows if bodies were all recovered.

Hi Axiata,

I enjoyed reading your report and you mentioned going to Heavens where exactly is that place? Is it on Walking Street or is it a gentlemans club in Jomtien? I think there used to be one in JOMTIEN but I thought that closed long ago or maybe I am thinking of some other club anyway where was the Heavens you visited?? Thanks for info.

It seems I have scheduled my trip to Pattaya around the major Buddhist holiday, falling Wednesday, May 10. Is the holiday normally confined to that day only? Obviously the bars and alcohol sales (stock up before) are a no, but would there be any likelihood of activity on Beach Road? (I presume there might be a WG from a previous night willing to stick around for fun.) I've seen some postings from previous years, but advice would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2015930]It seems I have scheduled my trip to Pattaya around the major Buddhist holiday, falling Wednesday, May 10. Is the holiday normally confined to that day only? Obviously the bars and alcohol sales (stock up before) are a no, but would there be any likelihood of activity on Beach Road? (I presume there might be a WG from a previous night willing to stick around for fun.) I've seen some postings from previous years, but advice would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I was there during the last one 1.5 month ago or so. Everything opened around 10 PM /11 PM. Some stayed a bit 'quiet' in the beginning but by midnight all was normal again. Go do something fun during the day and come back late in the evening and you will be fine.

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2015930]It seems I have scheduled my trip to Pattaya around the major Buddhist holiday, falling Wednesday, May 10. Is the holiday normally confined to that day only? Obviously the bars and alcohol sales (stock up before) are a no, but would there be any likelihood of activity on Beach Road? (I presume there might be a WG from a previous night willing to stick around for fun.) I've seen some postings from previous years, but advice would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Any holiday here, Buddhist or not, there will be girls on Beach Road.

[QUOTE=Axiata;2015733]Well the last two days of the trip lived up to expectations. Decided on trying Heavens and was pleasantly surprised by the setup. A lot of girls with a great attitude. Selected one that I would not normally see as my type but she had a way about her that pricked me interest (pardon the pun). Total GFE and she was up for a long session. Not rushed and made the experience very well worthwhile. Actually good value and a great way to spend a few hours in the afternoon. BBQ was also really good. Girls were very friendly and relaxed.

Then took a taxi back to soi 7 & 8 and stopped into a few bars to watch some football. Was walking along Soi 7 I think and a spinner caught my eye in Pandora. Decided to stay a while a see how the evening went and eventually decided to take her back to hotel. Fantastic selection as she was a total GFE and was also very good at her craft. Again not normally a girl that I would take as she was a little more curvy but one thing I have learnt from this trip, even at my age, is Pattaya has some intringue to it. Go with the flow and see what happens. Certainly was a good selection and Pandora was fun. After another few hours of good sex I decided to head to WS. Dropped into Baccara and found it totally fake and probably worse than the one in BKK. Girls all had plastic boobs (not my style) and had eyes for the Asians. Must see 333 stamped on their foreheads..[/QUOTE]Hi bro,

Your reports are well written and to the point. I like your report. Can you please tell me which hotel did you stay and for how much it took per night. My PM is active and you can PM me always.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Broxy;2015789]Hi Axiata,

I enjoyed reading your report and you mentioned going to Heavens where exactly is that place? Is it on Walking Street or is it a gentlemans club in Jomtien? I think there used to be one in JOMTIEN but I thought that closed long ago or maybe I am thinking of some other club anyway where was the Heavens you visited?? Thanks for info.[/QUOTE]Yes it is the one out in Jomtien. Took about 8 minutes on a taxi bike from Soi 13.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Axiata;2016263]Yes it is the one out in Jomtien. Took about 8 minutes on a taxi bike from Soi 13.

Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]The one I know is in Pratumnak? Where in Jomtien do you think it is?

[QUOTE=Axiata;2016263]Yes it is the one out in Jomtien. Took about 8 minutes on a taxi bike from Soi 13.[/QUOTE]Heavens in Jomtien? I think you talk about Heavens in Kasetsin Road soi 11, is on the way for Cosy Beach, not in Jomtien.

Pretty sure he's referring to Heaven (not Heavens) G-club on Pratumnak Hill, as CG is referring to.

Axiata, how does the talent compare to nearby Kinnaree?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2016403]Pretty sure he's referring to Heaven (not Heavens) G-club on Pratumnak Hill, as CG is referring to.

Axiata, how does the talent compare to nearby Kinnaree?[/QUOTE]It's extremely usual in my experience for any venue or shop in Thailand to have a name with an "S" on the end. E. g. Ocean rather than Oceans, Angel rather than Angels, even Victoria Secret rather than Victoria's Secret, etc. Exceptions exist: Annie's, but not many come to mind. Thai language has no plural or possessive version of words (from adding an S). An added "S" is an indicator of something in English and not intended for Thais at all I guess, since often they can't pronounce it.

So absolutely Heaven. You can ascend to Heaven and not Heavens.

Patts is a funny name for Pattaya. Where the F did the "S" come from? LOL.

[QUOTE=Axiata;2015733]Well the last two days of the trip lived up to expectations. Decided on trying Heavens and was pleasantly surprised by the setup. A lot of girls with a great attitude. Selected one that I would not normally see as my type but she had a way about her that pricked me interest (pardon the pun). Total GFE and she was up for a long session. Not rushed and made the experience very well worthwhile. Actually good value and a great way to spend a few hours in the afternoon. BBQ was also really good. Girls were very friendly and relaxed.

Then took a taxi back to soi 7 & 8 and stopped into a few bars to watch some football. Was walking along Soi 7 I think and a spinner caught my eye in Pandora. Decided to stay a while a see how the evening went and eventually decided to take her back to hotel. Fantastic selection as she was a total GFE and was also very good at her craft. Again not normally a girl that I would take as she was a little more curvy but one thing I have learnt from this trip, even at my age, is Pattaya has some intringue to it. Go with the flow and see what happens. Certainly was a good selection and Pandora was fun. After another few hours of good sex I decided to head to WS. Dropped into Baccara and found it totally fake and probably worse than the one in BKK. Girls all had plastic boobs (not my style) and had eyes for the Asians. Must see 333 stamped on their foreheads. Reminds me of Thermae were being non Asian with cash means very little. Still, if they do not want my money I am happy to keep it for someone else.
Left and went to IBar..[/QUOTE]I really must tell you folks how much I appreciate the detailed information on Pattaya.

I haven't been for 3 years and was quite bummed out by my friend who just returned reporting all the cute girls are gone, probably to the internet.

After reading your complete reports, I must conclude this is basically hogwash and not much has changed.

I really liked moving around in Pattaya. I loved sitting at 11 am at the Starbucks at soi 13 and Beach Road and just people watching.

Often even during the day there were a few cuties on Beach Road. Of course there is short time hotels all over the place, including one just behind Starbucks.

I liked going deeper back even farther than soi Bukau. So many bars, so little time. I did find many nice girls in the side street joints too.

Thanks again for such great updated info.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Rider331;2016499]I haven't been for 3 years and was quite bummed out by my friend who just returned reporting all the cute girls are gone, probably to the internet.[/QUOTE]I don't get this. Where exactly would they be gone to? Even if they no longer worked at your favorite bar or gogo then they would still be walking around the city where you could chat them up without buying drinks and all that other shit. Or is there some secret haven where cute chicks go and guys can't get to them?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2016527]I don't get this. Where exactly would they be gone to? Even if they no longer worked at your favorite bar or gogo then they would still be walking around the city where you could chat them up without buying drinks and all that other shit. Or is there some secret haven where cute chicks go and guys can't get to them?[/QUOTE]He may be lamenting cute girls being sponsored by deep pocketed Koreans or Japanese allowing them to be choosy. However, these P4P boyfriends eventually return home. The girls are greedy and will ride the gravy train with their Western Union boyfriends until the wheels fall off. He may have a point about a lot of ladies past 35 in the game. There are cute girls but YMMV.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2016386]Heavens in Jomtien? I think you talk about Heavens in Kasetsin Road soi 11, is on the way for Cosy Beach, not in Jomtien.[/QUOTE]Hi and yes it was the one out on soi 11. Talent wise I would say that it had a good mix. Most important was attitude and they had really good attitudes. Felt very relaxed. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so hard to compare to other GCs.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Cool;2016658]He may be lamenting cute girls being sponsored by deep pocketed Koreans or Japanese allowing them to be choosy. However, these P4P boyfriends eventually return home. The girls are greedy and will ride the gravy train with their Western Union boyfriends until the wheels fall off. He may have a point about a lot of ladies past 35 in the game. There are cute girls but YMMV.[/QUOTE]As Mr E says, I don't get it at all. I have been visiting for nearly 2 decades now and not once have I come away disappointed with the selection on offer across the several platforms available. Since I am feeling generous this morning, let me try and list down a few:

1. Soi 6 - This has got to be the place where every male (heterosexual and the other kind) on this planet can get laid in under 30 minutes. If not, see a doctor.

2. Soapies. Rasputin, Sabai House, Sabai Dee, Honey to name a few.

3. Massage Shops - 7 out of 10 massage shops in the city will offer an upgrade to full service. All you need to do is ask respectfully.

4. Go Go Bars. There is a ton of them on Walking Street, Soi Diamond, Soi 15, L K Metro etc. Steep prices though.

5. Beer Bar Complexes. There are two on Walking Street, quite a few along 2nd road, Beach Road, Soi Diana, Soi Buakhao. One large complex at Drinking Street. Quite a few along Soi 7 and Soi 8. These places can give you a "real" feel of a hunt. You might walk away beaming with pride at your pickup skills.

6. G Clubs. Easily a dozen or so have been listed in past few pages. Kinnaree, Heaven, Rioja, M Club to name a few. Relaxed environment, friendly ladies, reasonably priced drinks and food. Best way to spend afternoons if you are over 50 and don't fancy walking up and down Soi 6.

7. BJ Bars. Although they are called BJ bars, they offer FS too. Club 4 (not sure of its status after the raid), 007, Pirate, Bar de La Poste, Telephone, Carre Blanche to name a few. My Friend You and Click on Soi 6 are BJ bars too.

8. Dark Side. As the name suggests, not much has been reported about this area, but there are quite a few bars there. If you fancy some adventure, please indulge.

9. Na Kluea. Again, not much has been reported and I have only gone there for the food and a couple of times to meet some pre-arranged dates. But I have seen a few bars on and off in that area.

10. The Internet. Since the boom of social media, practically every working girl in Pattaya (and beyond) is on the net hooking punters. If you are not in this game, I pity you. It is possibly the most hassle-free way to get chicks to bang, directly delivered to the cosy comfort of your hotel room. It is rife with some risks too, but if you read a few reports and use some common sense, you will be fine.

Am I missing anything?

P.S. - This is all just a revision for my upcoming trip in 2 weeks.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2017286]As Mr E says, I don't get it at all. I have been visiting for nearly 2 decades now and not once have I come away disappointed with the selection on offer across the several platforms available. Since I am feeling generous this morning, let me try and list down a few:

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Am I missing anything?[/QUOTE]Beach Road for FL / SW.

Devils Den for threesomes.

The Castle for BDSM.

SL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2015377]Alcatraz shut down. I took some photos of the future of Walking Street. Many building and streets shut down. "Fires" in 2 buildings.[/QUOTE]Here are some photos I took last week. The first photo is the depressing one. A photo of Soi BJ looking from 2nd Road to Walking Street. All you see in the distance is Wildcats gogo.

Alcatraz shut down. I didn't notice until just now but was there a "fire" in the building next door.

The was another "fire" that shut down a few bar near D Club (no photo).

As we all heard the Rock Street bar burned down. Luckily Skyfall next door reopened soon after the fire.

Let's hope Soi BJ is not the future of Walking Street. However, with the way things are headed it just may be. Where will all those Chinese tourists go now to kill 2 hours of their night?

Is the crack down have any effect on pattaya scene? Are any bars and clubs closing?

Walking Street has lost its luster.

Most mongers stopped depending on it a long time ago. We still have plenty of other venues to visit. Don't get all depressed. I won't freak out until I'm told Soi 6 and LK Metro are gone.

Things always changing, what goes around comes around?

The way Alcatraz was going no surprise it was closed, but the sign above, Miami, is suppose to be coming, say Soi 15, but I've walked down this Soi many times since its closing and don't see currently a available space unless someone else is going to close.

Rock Street, another opened to try feed off the success of the Stone, never saw much happening inside so no lost.

Don't remember a fire near the-Club, the space next door was Moon Go Go, another lost cause that closed. Some rumor that the Night Wish group from Soi 6, is interest?

Soi be. J. , even before they removed the buildings there wasn't anything there except the hotels in the back. And I have to include Wildcat, which I try to give a chance with 6 visits, but all the owner did was post picture of girls that didn't exist. The only lost is the popular bar that was at the corner. At one stage they had a large banner saying some large entertainment complex was coming but the date has already past. Now the banner is gone but regardless of it being empty there are still places closing and opening all the time.

Nothing to worry about and there is no real crackdown. They got a Happy Zone and Walking Street is on it.

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[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2018504]Is the crack down have any effect on pattaya scene? Are any bars and clubs closing?[/QUOTE]Police has instructed the club not to use the rooms in club for 3 days from today. Girls has to walk with guests to rooms next soi. Girls are also asked by manager to wear proper dresses, no shorts, jeans etc.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2018392]The was another "fire" that shut down a few bar near D Club (no photo).
[/QUOTE]What's with the fires? Are clubs refusing to pay protection to the right mafia?

[QUOTE=Adrena;2018536]Most mongers stopped depending on it a long time ago. We still have plenty of other venues to visit. Don't get all depressed. I won't freak out until I'm told Soi 6 and LK Metro are gone.[/QUOTE]Where do you think all the attention will turn once they destroy Walking Street. Pray Walking Street stays strong because it's deterring all attention away from other areas.

As for depending on WS I think the majority of the board loves iBar / Insomnia. I hate it with a passion but pretty sure it will be difficult to replicate after it's gone.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2018768]Where do you think all the attention will turn once they destroy Walking Street. Pray Walking Street stays strong because it's deterring all attention away from other areas.

As for depending on WS I think the majority of the board loves iBar / Insomnia. I hate it with a passion but pretty sure it will be difficult to replicate after it's gone.[/QUOTE]But I think it was said before they wanted the gogos off WS. I think that was the purpose of LK Metro. They wanted WS more as a tourist area without sexual tones. I guess they have a lot of big dreams; building all these malls and shit. No normal tourist is itching to go to Thailand because of Pattaya. Most of these group people happen upon it simply because it was a cheap place for the tour operator to include with its close proximity to Bangkok.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2018854]But I think it was said before they wanted the gogos off WS. I think that was the purpose of LK Metro. They wanted WS more as a tourist area without sexual tones. I guess they have a lot of big dreams; building all these malls and shit. No normal tourist is itching to go to Thailand because of Pattaya. Most of these group people happen upon it simply because it was a cheap place for the tour operator to include with its close proximity to Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Pattaya, like Chon Buri province has been mafia run for a long time. Godfather, Kamnan Poh, had his youngest son installed as mayor and another son was Cultural Minister in Yingluck's government. The kickbacks from Walking must be enormous. A little uncertainty can act as a lubricant for the grease. Seems he recently received a Royal Pardon for his murder sentence. That should send the junta a pretty strong message about who his friends are.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2018768]Where do you think all the attention will turn once they destroy Walking Street. Pray Walking Street stays strong because it's deterring all attention away from other areas.

As for depending on WS I think the majority of the board loves iBar / Insomnia. I hate it with a passion but pretty sure it will be difficult to replicate after it's gone.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about Soi 6 or LK Metro until you see tourist buses pull up. WS hasn't been good since the Chinese showed up in herds.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2018671]What's with the fires? Are clubs refusing to pay protection to the right mafia?[/QUOTE]I can see the moderator deleted our message, your before I saw it. You don't receive messages or got me block but feel free to send me your response I don't have a problem with it. But if you do leave it open for a response, Ball is in your court.

[QUOTE=Adrena;2018950]Don't worry about Soi 6 or LK Metro until you see tourist buses pull up. WS hasn't been good since the Chinese showed up in herds.[/QUOTE]We have to worry about LK Metro and Soi 6 because the military junta have ideas about changing all of Pattaya into a family destination. They want to get rid of the sex venues; and take all the sex out of Walking Street, etc. They're too stupid and obtuse to realize that they can have it both ways if they play it right.

There are plenty of venues for families -- Water Park, crocodile farm, tiger zoo, Nong Nooch Gardens, beaches, shopping malls, go cart tracks, and on and on. Walking Street is not a good place for families and kids and it won't be even if the go-go bars are gone and if that happens Pattaya will suffer economically. If the junta has their way Pattaya will become a ghost town.

I don't see families going to Soi 6, 7 & 8, Soi Buakhao, and LK Metro. The Chinese herds don't go there either. Yet Those herds see Walking Street as a novelty. They go to the go-go bar in swarms, drink one beer and leave as a swarm. I Never see them by drinks for girls much less bar fine them. They're a pain in the ass to us mongers, but they spend money on hotel rooms and restaurants and in that way support the economy. I just wish that the military bozos would get out of the business of government so we can finally get back to normal.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2018966]I can see the moderator deleted our message, your before I saw it. You don't receive messages or got me block but feel free to send me your response I don't have a problem with it. But if you do leave it open for a response, Ball is in your court.[/QUOTE]I never had a problem with your posts in the past. Just thought your wording could have been improved this time.

I suffer from writing weak English sometimes. So no one is perfect.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2018966]I can see the moderator deleted our message, your before I saw it. You don't receive messages or got me block but feel free to send me your response I don't have a problem with it. But if you do leave it open for a response, Ball is in your court.[/QUOTE]I never had a problem with your posts in the past.

I suffer from writing weak English sometimes. So no one is perfect.

In general I don't receive PMs. Nothing personal.

Anyway I got the message from Admin. I understand the problem.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2018854]But I think it was said before they wanted the gogos off WS. I think that was the purpose of LK Metro. They wanted WS more as a tourist area without sexual tones. .[/QUOTE]Which is crazy. I mean WTF is the point of WS if not for the Gogos? The tourists who are not mongering come to gawk at the girls and the bright lights. What else is there to do? Discos? Restaurants?

Hopefully they will give up once they realize that this will virtually eliminate any Tea money they can collect. Not to mention the damage it will do to the economy in Issan and other poorer regions.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2019003]I never had a problem with your posts in the past.

I suffer from writing weak English sometimes. So no one is perfect.

In general I don't receive PMs. Nothing personal.

Anyway I got the message from Admin. I understand the problem.[/QUOTE]

Thank you very much for your response. I fully understand the PM things, out of personal principal I don't use the Ignore I just ignore. To be honest you have nothing to be second guessing yourself regarding your English. That is why I thought I had said something in the past which might have offended you that cause you to make such a statement because like you I never had a problem with any of your posting. In fact, if I could write as well as you even on your worst day I would be proud of myself. There are a number of guys like yourself, Goatscot, etc. That can write long or short reports and state their point clearly. These days I rarely post not that I'm staying home but pretty much don't have much to add from the guys on their holidays. This might sound funny but I'm not only reading but look at how it should be properly written although it is a sex forum.

Agree or disagree my apologize for going a bit off.

Please, gentlemen, spend spend spend and help the barkeeps' tills brimming with tea money to keep the place going and the lights on (or dimmed). At least through early May, when I get my ill-deserved six nights in Pattaya. Let us hope that the junta is not so foolish as to cut off a major revenue stream, the goose that laid the. You know. Those Chinese tourists would have scant interest in Walking Street (or prolly any other part of Pattaya, save the agogos; and rest assured that soon -- very soon -- they will shed their dowdy second halves and do battle royale to supplant the Japanese as the next 3-3-3 crowd. Clamp down on the sex trade? Well, let's see how condos sell in Jomtien when there's nothing but the skinflinty Russkies left. Without the girls, Pattaya (I don't even like to dip my toes into the water there) is little more than AC with a toxic shoreline. Reports of imminent death are premature. I love the place to death. Yet love is fickle, and let's hope the dummies don't blow it. And yet there seems to be an ingrained national deficiency of logic. Like the on again-off again gogo girl on my FB who bitches to high heaven about the Aussie sponsor who cut her off, and not at all about the Thai and the Frenchman who fathered her children, and fail to pay child support.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2018854]But I think it was said before they wanted the gogos off WS. I think that was the purpose of LK Metro. They wanted WS more as a tourist area without sexual tones. I guess they have a lot of big dreams; building all these malls and shit. No normal tourist is itching to go to Thailand because of Pattaya. Most of these group people happen upon it simply because it was a cheap place for the tour operator to include with its close proximity to Bangkok.[/QUOTE]North Pattaya has been a traditional Thai holiday or relaxation venue for many years, but South Pattaya is very different. Does it really have anything much outside of hookers in Walking Street zone?

I have heard of plenty of guys holidaying in Pattaya, without any intention to use hookers, but why? Maybe I am far too old to understand. I understand Thais going there due to easy proximity to Bangkok, but surely there are so many more beautiful beech destinations in Thailand. Is the nightlife still exciting if not interacting with hookers? I also remember years ago, Thais liking Pattaya because it's a wild place where they don't have to be prim and proper, however girls are not so prim and proper any more in Bangkok. Lots of very provocative dressing by girls these days.

Maybe it's the wrong place to ask, but what are the non-hooker highlights of South Pattaya? Is the beech there usable these days?

If I wanted a beech resort with beautiful nature, I would recommend, Krabi, Koh Phi Phi, Koh Lipe & Adang, Koh Samui in February. Amazing Crystal Calcite cave Tham Kaew Komol in Mae La Noi (Mae Hong Son province). That will make you forget all limestone caves. Ancient Ruins in several locations. Amazing waterfalls in several provinces, temples, etc. Lots of interesting places to go in Thailand, for non sexual purposes.

Trying to make Pattaya respectable seems ridiculous. Thailand should just concentrate on getting rid of girl trafficking reputations, girls on contract, and that other special forbidden category. Teach girls more to reduce quantities of single mothers. However nothing wrong with girls making money by selling sex.

Well said Syzygiz.

If they get rid of Walking Street bars and all the other sex workers Pattaya will be finished. It has the dirtiest and most polluted beach in Thailand and pretty much next to nothing to bring tourists to the city. No visitors no money- no money no chance to fill the multitude of hotels and shopping malls. Surely the people in power got there through the tea money system and still have their beaks in the trough- surely they will not want to see the end of the gravy train?

A few days ago I returned from a 4 day trip to the LOS, and over the next few days I intend to write some reports on my experiences. I have been a long time reader of this website but have, up until now, never bitten the bullet and posted anything myself. I was a selfish sponge like creature sucking up the tips and recommendations of other gentlemen on this board, yet I never gave anything back in return. Following this trip I decided to write down my experiences, I did this in order that I could recollect my experiences in the future (in previous trips the memories of my experiences have, over time, somewhat faded and I didn't want this to happen on this occasion). Also, writing these reports acts as a kind of anesthesia to the dull, numbing pain that goes with no longer being in that wonderful haven, that gentleman's paradise, that wacky, anything goes city of sin we call. Pattaya.

Day 1:

I left Shanghai and took the short 4 hour flight to Bangkok early in the morning. I had pre booked a car to take me directly to Pattaya as I couldn't be arsed with fannying around with buses or negotiating with taxi drivers. The traffic on the road was terrible and it took 4 hours to get to my hotel located on Second road between soi 6 and 7.

Originally this trip was to have been a lads holiday as part of a series of leaving parties, but, for various reasons everyone else had pulled out and I was left alone. Whilst initially annoyed (I had even thought about cancelling the trip myself) I thought it might be quite an exciting adventure doing this trip alone for the first time, doing and going where I wanted rather than following the group.

Upon arrival my original plan was to have a quick nap to save some energy for the long night ahead, but after a few fruitless attempts to get my head down, I knew it was never going to happen and I headed out to see where the early evening would take me.

After a few warm up beers in various watering holes I decided I was lubricated enough to head down to Soi 6 (I have never had the nerve to go there stone cold sober). I initially wondered, would it be the same as on past trips because of all the recent clampdowns?. Once I stepped off the Baht bus and walked its hallowed ground my fears were allayed, I immediately knew it was everything I remembered it being – bright, brash, exciting, full on, a little overwhelming but ultimately the most amazing street in the world.

I stuck my head in a few bars, and handed out a few LDs, but nothing was really hooking me in. They were either too young, too old, too drunk, too boring, too fat etc etc. I was going on my final lap of the street when out of the cacophony of cat calls one pierced my ear drums loud enough for me to pay attention. Her name was Fon, and I'm sorry gents but I forget the name of the bar she was in. What I do remember is that she, and her colleagues were all wearing sexy, slutty nurses outfits. She pulled me in and I immediately bought her a drink. She then proceeded to tell me all the things she was going to do to me. Fon was an ex gogo dancer but moved to soi 6 as she said she was too lazy to dance. Facially, she had some acne but her makeup covered it well and in the darkness of the bar you didn't really notice. She had a spinner's body with the tiniest waist you could ever imagine. She told me all the positions she wanted me to do her in, doggystyle being her favorite (Where she said her tiny waist was an asset, as I could grab onto it for extra thrust). Without further adieu we were quickly up the stairs where Fon put her range of techniques to work. She certainly didn't disappoint and she was as filthy as she said she would be. The problem was. And I have no idea why. The problem was. I couldn't come. Fon worked me and worked me with all her considerable talent and skill but it just wasn't happening. I ended up accepting defeat and told her to stop. My sex kitten of a companion seemed a little put out, but had ultimately had been paid (1000 for her, 350 for the room) so she wasn't too upset by it. I left soi 6 thinking and hoping that this wasn't going to be the story of my long anticipated trip.

I was still relatively happy though, as I had had a great experience with Fon and it was a very good session. It was around midnight when I made my way down soi 7, I was feeling pretty tired from the day of travelling and was going to call it a night but stopped into Pandora for one last nightcap. I was approached by ZeZe and whilst initially reluctant to entertain her, she seemed nice enough so I got her a drink. A pretty faced Issan girl, 25 years old with 2 kids. She was quite voluptuous (probably a little too much so for my liking) and usually, I would not have carried on this encounter. However, I had made the mistake of buying her a drink and she had now latched on to me. Well. As is often the case (with me anyway) a few drinks later and after a few hours of games and chatting, I decided to pay her barfine (she said usually 800 b, but 500 b for me because I was nice and had spent money in the bar – probably bullshit but whatever). I was really tired at this point and wanted to take her back to my hotel but she wanted to take me to walking street for a dance. I should have probably been more insistent at the time but decided just to go with the flow (I'm weak and like that. One of my biggest flaws). Besides, I thought, a few more drinks would loosen her up a bit more, as this, in my experience often helps girls lose their inhibitions in the bedroom.

We had a good time dancing in Lucifer (there is a great live band that play on the ground level of the club. Highly recommended). And when we left I was ready for action. She then said she wanted to go eat. 'Jesus H Christ', I muttered to myself as I was now had the distinct feeling that I was being taken for a ride. I mulled it over for a bit, and decided that as I was hungry too I would go along with her request. She took me to some Issan barbeque / hot pot place a motorbike journey away. The food was alright, nothing I hadn't had many times before whist living in China.

We finally got back to the hotel (it must have been around 6.30 am at this point) and as ZeZe took a shower alone, the realization hit me that I had just procured a real, walking, talking starfish for the night. A few minutes later she lay on the bed and I went down to business. It turns out that I was mostly right, she was no Fon with regards her bedroom gymnastics, but she made all the right noises and movements so she wasn't a complete dud. The most important thing however my friends, is that I did indeed come. And my word, did I come. Like a violent volcano erupting for the first time, I was surprised the condom hadn't ripped open. This must have been a build up from earlier in the evening coupled with the fact I had abstained from any genital stimulation for at least 5 days previously. Even ZeZe was surprised by how much volume there was.

A few hours later after a heavy sleep my partner for the night left, I didn't go for a second shot as I didn't think she was really worth it. We never discussed money for services rendered, I gave her 2000 b (I'd spent a fuck load on her the night before so even that was being generous), to her credit she didn't even check and put it straight in her purse. I went back to sleep to recharge my batteries for another day of fun ahead.

So, overall impressions of day 1?. Fon was definitely the highlight, Soi 6 has once again outdone itself in terms of overall satisfaction and experience. My time later in the night could have probably been spent more wisely, but I still had a good and memorable night. The biggest downer however, is that I made a big rookie mistake. Despite me reading the tips from previous posters I still made the fatal error of hooking up with a girl on my first on the bar street nearest my hotel. This is fine if you want to go back for more, but as I didn't, I would now have to spend the rest of my trip avoiding Soi 7. It is a pain in the arse, as the street is only 3 minutes from my hotel and I hadn't really experienced it fully on my first night. Anyway. You live and learn. Lets see what day 2 has in store.

[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2019377]A few days ago I returned from a 4 day trip to the LOS, ... I would now have to spend the rest of my trip avoiding Soi 7. It is a pain in the arse, as the street is only 3 minutes from my hotel and I hadn't really experienced it fully on my first night. Anyway. You live and learn. Lets see what day 2 has in store.[/QUOTE]A job well done, and keep the Pattaya reports coming. Good intel that the upstairs boom-boom is on offer on Soi 6 (about six weeks ago I had to take the girl across the street because the bar staff was scurrying around, removing laundry because of an impending raid they had been tipped off on; having to walk through a gaggle of ladyboys on the way up the stairs was a turnoff, to the point where I had to find reassurance that the room was stocked with feminine products, and the pussy had to get a close examination. Real, OK). As for the part about having to avoid a soi because a previous provider may be ensconced there looking for her next patron, well, walk the hell wherever you want. She, and you, both know why you're in Pattaya. And if you should decide to repeat with the lady later, feel free to spout some rubbish like "darling, I didn't want to take you last night (or the previous three) because, you know, I'm a romantic and I knew if I spent too much time with you I'd fall in love. ".

[QUOTE=Broxy;2019345]If they get rid of Walking Street bars and all the other sex workers Pattaya will be finished. It has the dirtiest and most polluted beach in Thailand and pretty much next to nothing to bring tourists to the city. No visitors no money- no money no chance to fill the multitude of hotels and shopping malls. [/QUOTE]Plan is to bring in large casinos. The big casino owners may be pushing to get a more family oriented city. That's what they wanted and succeeded to do in Vegas.

Thanks for the review, Badbhoy. Looking forward to your other 3 days.

[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2019377] I decided to pay her barfine (she said usually 800 b, but 500 b for me because I was nice and had spent money in the bar probably bullshit but whatever).[/QUOTE]I don't BF from Soi 7 and Soi 8 often at all but I thought BF on these 2 sois was 300 baht. I may be way off.

There is no need to avoid a street if there is a girl on there you no longer want to repeat with. Even if you wanted to avoid her bar at 2nd and soi 7, you can cut through to Soi 7 from Soi 8 just a bit from 2nd and continue walking along Soi 7.

[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2019377]Also, writing these reports acts as a kind of anesthesia to the dull, numbing pain that goes with no longer being in that wonderful haven, that gentleman's paradise, that wacky, anything goes city of sin we call. Pattaya.
[/QUOTE]Love the description. Very apt.

[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2019377] The biggest downer however, is that I made a big rookie mistake. Despite me reading the tips from previous posters I still made the fatal error of hooking up with a girl on my first on the bar street nearest my hotel. This is fine if you want to go back for more, but as I didn't, I would now have to spend the rest of my trip avoiding Soi 7. It is a pain in the arse, as the street is only 3 minutes from my hotel and I hadn't really experienced it fully on my first night. Anyway. You live and learn. Lets see what day 2 has in store.[/QUOTE]Great first report and I hope the rest of the trip is as adventurous. However, I would never subscribe to the idea of staying out till 6. 30 am, specially if I have not had my first pop of the day. And what is this BS about avoiding Soi 7 for the rest of the trip? Get over it mate. The girls are all working and they are getting paid for the job. If you go back to the exact same bar and barfine another girl from there, no hell would break loose. If your chick approaches you, simply tell her politely that you are on a holiday and you are a butterfly (no lying). Maybe even offer her a drink or two, you seem the generous kinds. That will calm her down. But do not take any BS from anyone about what you do and who you barfine. Remember, its your holiday and your money.

Have fun!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2019655]Plan is to bring in large casinos. The big casino owners may be pushing to get a more family oriented city. That's what they wanted and succeeded to do in Vegas.[/QUOTE]It is as clear as daylight me. Chinese = Gambling = Casinos.

Maybe the authorities are not as bird brained as half of us think.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2019655]Plan is to bring in large casinos. The big casino owners may be pushing to get a more family oriented city. That's what they wanted and succeeded to do in Vegas.[/QUOTE]Fuck me. That makes a lot of sense.

Greedy corporations ruin everything that is good in this world. Destroy the local economy so that the girls will have to take shit jobs and become minimum wage slaves in the casino. Just like the Brits did in West Africa when they cut down all the breadfruit trees forcing the local population to work for them in the plantations.

Goodbye social mobility and helping out the family in Issan.

[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2019377]A few days ago I returned from a 4 day trip to the LOS, and over the next few days I intend to write some reports on my experiences. I have been a long time reader of this website but have, up until now, never bitten the bullet and posted anything myself. I was a selfish sponge like creature sucking up the tips and recommendations of other gentlemen on this board, yet I never gave anything back in return. Following this trip I decided to write down my experiences, I did this in order that I could recollect my experiences in the future (in previous trips the memories of my experiences have, over time, somewhat faded and I didn't want this to happen on this occasion). Also, writing these reports acts as a kind of anesthesia to the dull, numbing pain that goes with no longer being in that wonderful haven, that gentleman's paradise, that wacky, anything goes city of sin we call. Pattaya.

Day 1:

I left Shanghai and took the short 4 hour flight to Bangkok early in the morning. I had pre booked a car to take me directly to Pattaya as I couldn't be arsed with fannying around with buses or negotiating with taxi drivers. The traffic on the road was terrible and it took 4 hours to get to my hotel located on Second road between soi 6 and 7..[/QUOTE]Good report. Keep it up.

[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2019377]

So, overall impressions of day 1?. Fon was definitely the highlight, Soi 6 has once again outdone itself in terms of overall satisfaction and experience. My time later in the night could have probably been spent more wisely, but I still had a good and memorable night. The biggest downer however, is that I made a big rookie mistake. Despite me reading the tips from previous posters I still made the fatal error of hooking up with a girl on my first on the bar street nearest my hotel. This is fine if you want to go back for more, but as I didn't, I would now have to spend the rest of my trip avoiding Soi 7. It is a pain in the arse, as the street is only 3 minutes from my hotel and I hadn't really experienced it fully on my first night. Anyway. You live and learn. Lets see what day 2 has in store.[/QUOTE]I think you may be overstating this a bit. You may have trouble going to the same bar and taking another girl that works with her. But there are plenty of other bars on Soi7. And she will get the message when you walk by her bar and don't stop to take her.

You seem like a nice guy and I agree you should treat them nicely, but don' let them take advantage of you too much and curtail your freedom and spoil your freedom.

BTW: Great report. Thanks for sharing and enjoy the rest of your trip!

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2019624]And if you should decide to repeat with the lady later, feel free to spout some rubbish like "darling, I didn't want to take you last night (or the previous three) because, you know, I'm a romantic and I knew if I spent too much time with you I'd fall in love. ".[/QUOTE] LMAO! That is too good. I need to keep that one for future use.

Even better than "my friend doesn't have the key" story girls try to pull.

I think the room upstairs is 300-350 baht for 1 HR. Of onsite fun plus around 1000 baht to the girl. A Soi 6 girl quoted me 1000 barfine to take her off the premise for the night. She said she would 'kill' me if I barfined another girl.

I have never barfined a girl directly from soi 6, however, I did see around 5 girls I was attracted to Fri. Evening. Soi 7 girls are pushy. I texted her this morning and she asked if I was upset she went home with a punter around 2:45 am. I told her I was not.

I don't interfere with anyone's cash flow.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2019662]Thanks for the review, Badbhoy. Looking forward to your other 3 days.

I don't BF from Soi 7 and Soi 8 often at all but I thought BF on these 2 sois was 300 baht. I may be way off.

There is no need to avoid a street if there is a girl on there you no longer want to repeat with. Even if you wanted to avoid her bar at 2nd and soi 7, you can cut through to Soi 7 from Soi 8 just a bit from 2nd and continue walking along Soi 7.[/QUOTE]

That small no name hole in the wall cheap and delicious Thai food restaurant on Soi Buakhao across from LK Metro that is always crowded and never lacks for customers, has been closed for about 2 weeks now. Does anyone know why and whether it will open up again anytime soon? I like to eat there at least once a week and would hate to see it go.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2019751]It is as clear as daylight me. Chinese = Gambling = Casinos.

Maybe the authorities are not as bird brained as half of us think.[/QUOTE]And Chinese in general can care the less about beaches, sunbathing, enjoy social life as sitting at beer bars, etc.

Their entertainment MO is different from ours. Look at the Macau sauna, at mainland KTV, at mainland saunas.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;2019893]That small no name hole in the wall cheap and delicious Thai food restaurant on Soi Buakhao across from LK Metro that is always crowded and never lacks for customers, has been closed for about 2 weeks now. Does anyone know why and whether it will open up again anytime soon? I like to eat there at least once a week and would hate to see it go.[/QUOTE]Health code violation. Nah. I don't know. Shit. They were just on vacation at the beginning of February.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2019830]LMAO! That is too good. I need to keep that one for future use.

Even better than "my friend doesn't have the key" story girls try to pull.[/QUOTE]That is a very true story you know "my friend does not have a key". If the Thai girl wanted to have the so called friend have a key, they possibly could get it organised, but Thai girls don't trust anyone. If gave the key away, could come home to find the TV, refridgerator, Jewelery, everything gone, to feed the other girl's drug habit or because the other girl's 'boyfriend' demanded money. Why would the friend have to stay there, if they have any money. So called "friends" must be watched like a hawk, especially if the friend is actually a Thai boy. LOL (one of the most common reasons).

Also I have in the past had arrangements for a hooker girl to come to me late at night after work, so if some other guy wanted her to stay the whole night, she might have come up with the "lack of extra key" story. There are so many possible reasons, including going home to her parents, to her child to relieve the baby sitter, to her pimp / boyfriend, to her drug habit, to go party with friends, because she can't sleep anywhere else, etc. Etc.

In the end, I never care what her reason is. She simply does not want to stay the whole night, even with a good price offer. Occasionally you can find a girl willing to come back in the morning, however 90% will say yes and never show up in the morning, despite the offer of a good extra payment. So their true reason must be fairly strong.

One of my bargirls insists to me that she is very truthful and acts quite hurt if I say I don't believe everything she says. She can't even remember what lies she has ever told me. I remember the main ones, that just indicate she distorts the truth at times. I thought was funny she eventually explained her nose operation in detail, but when she first met me insisted her nose was natural. LOL If she tells me she has no boyfriend, since split with the DJ, I ignore this. Since have no way of knowing if it is true or not. Probably only 20% chance it is true. The number of girls that insist there is nothing stuffed inside their pussy, making fucking difficult for any dick more than 4 inches, even though I have already felt it with my finger.

Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you actually see.

I like to stay on the higher ground, and don't tell girls any type of bullshit stories. I prefer them to see that I am honest or at least straight forward. I won't of course tell the that she is my fifth priority girl. That may not best. They really like a no bullshit type. Why Thai girls are so stuck up on guys being truthful, I have no clue, since the girls are deceptive themselves. No point to come up with fancy lines about why I did not book them, unless think they will see the joke is funny. Sometimes they won't even believe the truth, like I am on a tight budget, or waiting for my monthly money to come, or whatever. Can be best to just say "I am big butterfly", or busy with work, or don't need sex every single day, or just lazy to leave the house, or too many girls.

The biggest lie from guys is: "I don't do any other girls bareback" LOL. I don't think most girls will buy that one (even if was true). Guys should decide well in advance how they will answer, when the girl says: "I did not see you for 4 days during my period . How many other girls did you fuck?" I don't feel so guilty answering: "Just one, and was a disaster" even if was actually 3 girls. I see that as a minor distortion.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2019992]That is a very true story you know "my friend does not have a key". If the Thai girl wanted to have the so called friend have a key, they possibly could get it organised, but Thai girls don't trust anyone. If gave the key away, could come home to find the TV, refridgerator, Jewelery, everything gone, to feed the other girl's drug habit or because the other girl's 'boyfriend' demanded money. Why would the friend have to stay there, if they have any money. So called "friends" must be watched like a hawk, especially if the friend is actually a Thai boy. LOL (one of the most common reasons).

Also I have in the past had arrangements for a hooker girl to come to me late at night after work, so if some other guy wanted her to stay the whole night, she might have come up with the "lack of extra key" story. There are so many possible reasons, including going home to her parents, to her child to relieve the baby sitter, to her pimp / boyfriend, to her drug habit, to go party with friends, because she can't sleep anywhere else, etc. Etc.

In the end, I never care what her reason is. She simply does not want to stay the whole night, even with a good price offer. Occasionally you can find a girl willing to come back in the morning, however 90% will say yes and never show up in the morning, despite the offer of a good extra payment. So their true reason must be fairly strong.

One of my bargirls insists to me that she is very truthful and acts quite hurt if I say I don't believe everything she says. She can't even remember what lies she has ever told me. I remember the main ones, that just indicate she distorts the truth at times. I thought was funny she eventually explained her nose operation in detail, but when she first met me insisted her nose was natural. LOL If she tells me she has no boyfriend, since split with the DJ, I ignore this. Since have no way of knowing if it is true or not. Probably only 20% chance it is true..[/QUOTE]I'm glad guys like you exist. You chat them up so I don't have to. I seriously can't carry a conversation with 95% of those girls. It's much better if we play bar games then fuck. It seems I never have a problem with girls as long as I keep it very ST. The longer a girl is around, the more I get annoyed with them. Many of them seem eager to talk, so I'm glad guys like you give them an outlet.

My last trip, I went to Hooters a few days in a row. I had the same server each time. On the final visit, she acted all offended and asked why I never talked with her. I told her I'm just shy, but truthfully, I only wanted her to shut up and give me the food.

For the rest of you guys, be outgoing! (so I don't have to, LOL).

[QUOTE=Adrena;2020100]I'm glad guys like you exist. You chat them up so I don't have to. I seriously can't carry a conversation with 95% of those girls. It's much better if we play bar games then fuck. It seems I never have a problem with girls as long as I keep it very ST. The longer a girl is around, the more I get annoyed with them. Many of them seem eager to talk, so I'm glad guys like you give them an outlet.
[/QUOTE]Some girls are high spirited and exuberant. They may like to talk a lot. I recall taking a bargirl for LT and telling her I need to get up early the next morning. Despite this she was still yacking at 5 AM. So never do LT with girls like this any more. Choose the quiet ones. At a future time she was more reluctant to do LT. May have had a Thai boyfriend by this time. Smoked, got drunk, gambled, etc. Liked to party and do Ice (keeping her slim). Wayward girl. Could be was fucking her supplier. Before long she got pregnant and had left the bar to have a baby. Never was the same after that. Her look changed a lot.

I usually give the girl the option if she wants to extend to LT. I never played the leave and come back in the morning game. The girl is getting a free extra 500 baht just to sleep and breakfast in the morning.

Day 2:

I woke up late afternoon feeling pretty refreshed. After a quick bite to eat my number one task was to find a bar that would be showing a football match I was eager to see. I walked around a number of venues near my hotel including Soi 8 and New Plaza, but none were showing it. I thought this would be a good chance to check out Soi Bukhao as I had never been there on my previous visits to Pattaya. I walked the whole length but couldn't find the game anywhere. Finally I found an Irish Bar on LK Metro that was showing it. It was a good atmosphere, my team won and I left the Irish Bar feeling happy and eager for a night of action.

I walked around LK Metro, my first time there. I could see it has a lot of potential, but it was a still a little early for me to enjoy it in its full glory. At this time of night I just wanted to have a few beers and not be reeled in by any ladies. It's during these points in the evenings that I missed having mates around me, some people to just shoot the shit with and to have a laugh with. The girls are great but there conversations are somewhat limited. Any advice from seasoned solo travellers on this topic would be appreciated. Anyway, I went to a couple of bars, chatted with a few girls, but wasn't really feeling anything stirring in the loins.

I thought it was about time to check out the gogo's. Now, I have always been a bit put off about going into gogo bars by myself. I'm not sure why, I guess I always think I will be stiffed for drinks and end up with a massive bill. The only time I had even visited a gogo before was in Phuket on a bachelor party a year ago. So, after doing some research I decided I would head down to Windmill on Walking Street ("a place everyone has to go at least once" was the general consensus from reports). I walked into Windmill with an open mind. Little did I know my mind was about to be not just opened up. But ripped out, filled with images I will never forget then placed back in my skull inside out, never to be the same again.

Tits, ass and pussies were everywhere, I literally didn't know where to look. To the left of me 2 girls were giving a lesbian show whilst being fingered by a small group of guys, to the right a large balding man was licking out a rather uninterested looking girl on stage. I suddenly felt very awkward. Unsure of where to sit, what to do or who to look at. I quickly finished my drink and left that place behind me. I vowed as the door closed behind me never to return again... I knew I'd be back tomorrow.

I visited a couple of other places, Naughty Girls and Supergirls to be exact. They were alright but I only stayed for a short time in each and enjoyed the shows. I went further up Walking Street and was accosted by a tout working for Wildats Agogo. The drink promotion was pretty good so I agreed to go in. As soon as I did I spotted a stunner sitting by the door (well actually she spotted and grabbed me). She was easily the best looking girl in the club. And boy did she know it. Definitely Queen Bee amongst the other girls and she seemed to have the run of the place. I certainly wasn't complaining as she writhed her perfect body against my groin area. She had obviously been doing this for some time as she was very good at her job, she knew all the right buttons to press. I was a hopeless sucker for her charms, putty in her hands and she knew it. After a while we started talking about price (800 barfine and 2000 for her short time. Not bad I thought, especially considering some of the numbers I had read on the forum regarding prices). It was quite late and as I was considering upping the ante to 2000 LT, as I was doing this she went to the toilet. After over 5 minutes I started to wonder where she had gone so I had a look around. It was then I saw it. I had been suckerpunched, cock blocked, stitched up like a kipper. There she was drinking shots of tequila and rubbing her pert titties over a couple of Korean guys!

I was livid, but what could I do? Like I said, she was a total professional and she knew exactly where she was going to get the biggest payout that night. I downed what was left of my drink, and walked out of the club trying to hold on to what little bit of dignity I had left. On the way out I passed a couple of other girls who gave me some sympathetic looks. It would appear that even they felt sorry for me.

I'd had enough of gogo bars that night and thought I would check out some nightclubs. ID taken freelancers home before, but never from a club, so I thought I'd see if I was up to it. Previous posters have talked about how picking up in a club is a little more difficult than in a bar / gogo, in that the ladies are a little more picky. I'd enjoyed Lucifer's, but was worried about running into the girl I'd taken home the previous night so passed. I looked into I-bar / Insomnia but it was packed to the rafters, I wasn't going in there. I headed down to Marine Disco and found that whilst busy, it wasn't insanely so. The music in Marine was pretty good (none of the RnB / pop push they play in other places) and I was soon dancing. I'd read before that Marine was a hang out spot for ladyboys, and I did notice there were quite a few of them.

On my way to the bathroom I accidentally bumped into a girl with rather large breasts spilling a tiny amount of beer on her top. She luckily laughed it off and I offered to buy her another one. She duly accepted. This girl was quite tall, slim, fair skinned with big beautiful eyes, in fact she looked more Chinese than Thai. It was at this point that alarm bells started ringing. Ladyboy alert. I asked her directly. She wasn't. Result. "no offence meant" "none taken" Let's get down to business. I whisked her off to the hotel, none of this "let's go eat" bullshit from last night. In the bedroom she was keen, enthusiastic and willing, I had a great night and repeated again in the morning.

She left around midday, she hinted that we go outside together for some food but I turned her down. Great as she was, I didn't really want to spend the day with her. There was definite sexual energy (from my side at least), but no real chemistry on a personal level. We didn't discuss money on the night, but I gave her 2000 b in the morning which she seemed happy with. Again she didn't really check it properly and put it straight in her purse.

Looking back on Day 2, despite my previous apprehension, I had enjoyed the gogo bars. They can actually be a cheap night out if you just enjoy the show and not buy any ladydrinks (most of the places do cheap promotions on beer). I'd had a good day but hadn't met anyone yet who I deemed worthy of a repeat. Day 3 was about to change all that.

[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2020428]Day 2:

Tits, ass and pussies were everywhere, I literally didn't know where to look. To the left of me 2 girls were giving a lesbian show whilst being fingered by a small group of guys, to the right a large balding man was licking out a rather uninterested looking girl on stage. I suddenly felt very awkward. Unsure of where to sit, what to do or who to look at. I quickly finished my drink and left that place behind me. I vowed as the door closed behind me never to return again... I knew I'd be back tomorrow.

-Haha, I know the feeling Bhadboy, great how our minds can change in a blink when on walking street!


I was livid, but what could I do? Like I said, she was a total professional and she knew exactly where she was going to get the biggest payout that night..[/QUOTE]Great reports, and some stark differences between day 1 and 2, way to adapt quickly, I wish I had that learning curve when I was there.

Cheers,

TJM.

[QUOTE=Cool;2020295]I usually give the girl the option if she wants to extend to LT. I never played the leave and come back in the morning game. The girl is getting a free extra 500 baht just to sleep and breakfast in the morning.[/QUOTE]That seems to be a very biased view point. From the girl's point of view, she has to endure hours of poor sleep with nothing to do except play games on the phone, and put up with the guy's buzz saw snoring, then has to get fucked again in morning and perhaps another round or two during the night. Then there is the horror traffic to contend with in the morning to struggle to get home. All that for a measly 500 extra. Much better to go try for a 2nd ST customer, or party with friends. Friend has a birthday and will supply the booze. Hardly surprizing that many popular girls will not do LT, when they have a choice. Then has to pay the baby sister extra money for minding the child all night.

They weigh up the pros and cons too. The right money will usually persuade them, but not always. Some have to be home by a certain time, so baby sister can go to work. Could be very low amount for some girls and very high for others. The important point, is the situation varies, depending on many factors, including what time it is, what day of the week, does the girl have an early appointment, does she like the customer, does she tolerate the customer well, does she like the sex at all, does she have pussy pain, does she have anything better to do, etc.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2020578]That seems to be a very biased view point. From the girl's point of view, she has to endure hours of poor sleep with nothing to do except play games on the phone, and put up with the guy's buzz saw snoring, then has to get fucked again in morning and perhaps another round or two during the night. Then there is the horror traffic to contend with in the morning to struggle to get home. All that for a measly 500 extra. Much better to go try for a 2nd ST customer, or party with friends. Friend has a birthday and will supply the booze. Hardly surprizing that many popular girls will not do LT, when they have a choice. Then has to pay the baby sister extra money for minding the child all night.

They weigh up the pros and cons too. The right money will usually persuade them, but not always. Some have to be home by a certain time, so baby sister can go to work. Could be very low amount for some girls and very high for others. The important point, is the situation varies, depending on many factors, including what time it is, what day of the week, does the girl have an early appointment, does she like the customer, does she tolerate the customer well, does she like the sex at all, does she have pussy pain, does she have anything better to do, etc.[/QUOTE]So true of most girls who are in the game regardless of country. Our hobby is full of hurdles and navigating the ST v LT landscape is hit and miss at best. My most recent trip to Pattaya I managed to secure a girl from a Gogo who I thought was sure to be a ST runner. Turned out she was a fantastic GFE who stayed the night and well into the next day.

Then went to Phnom Penh where one of my regulars did a early morning "had to go see my mother" routine. Who knows what that was about but she was always a stay overnight girl. Maybe she had another offer for the night so making more cash.

So the moral to the story is that you can really never tell. Some will stay and are worth it. Some will stay and you wish they left and some you wish you never even met! All part of the adventure. The gems make up for the duds.

Happy Hunting.

She may not earn that measly 500 at McDonalds. Usually it is past 3 am and most well versed mongers have popped by that time. Sometimes it is best to take the bird in the hand. From my point of view I can dismiss the girl early and apply my 500 baht to a new girl the next night or hop at a couple of go go's while scouting and recruiting to build my stable. If she delights me she may get future business and loyalty consideration.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2020578]That seems to be a very biased view point. From the girl's point of view, she has to endure hours of poor sleep with nothing to do except play games on the phone, and put up with the guy's buzz saw snoring, then has to get fucked again in morning and perhaps another round or two during the night. Then there is the horror traffic to contend with in the morning to struggle to get home. All that for a measly 500 extra. Much better to go try for a 2nd ST customer, or party with friends. Friend has a birthday and will supply the booze. Hardly surprizing that many popular girls will not do LT, when they have a choice. Then has to pay the baby sister extra money for minding the child all night.

They weigh up the pros and cons too. The right money will usually persuade them, but not always. Some have to be home by a certain time, so baby sister can go to work. Could be very low amount for some girls and very high for others. The important point, is the situation varies, depending on many factors, including what time it is, what day of the week, does the girl have an early appointment, does she like the customer, does she tolerate the customer well, does she like the sex at all, does she have pussy pain, does she have anything better to do, etc.[/QUOTE]

In preparing for my Pattaya trip next month, I was wondering how much money to bring. After 4 trips I have a pretty good idea, but I wanted to take a closer look on what I actually spent on mongering. So, I went back and looked at the mongering costs of my trip last November to analyze my spending. (Sorry, all my formatting was destroyed, but you can figure it out.).

Here is the raw data.

Number of Mongering Days 11.

Total Number of Encounters 27.

Total Number of Providers 22.

Total Spent for Services 40,650 baht $1,175.

An "encounter" is time with a provider in which there was either a BJ or FS. Massage-only activity were not counted. I had no HJ only encounters, so they did not count either. The total Baht only covers the cost of service, bar fines and tips. Drinks, food, etc. Were not counted.

It is interesting to break down where my mongering Baht went:

Soi 6 14.

WS gogos 3.

WS Disco 4.

BR FL 4.

Soapies 1.

Tinder 1.

I was surprised at the low number of "high end" disco girls. That is a lower rate than previous trips and I think was an anomaly as I was concentrating more on Discos I guess. It may partially be due to a higher level of quality Soi 6 girls (one I saw three times as she was the ultimate GFE, and one twice as she was a stunner that I would have seen more had I discovered her sooner).

Some of you may remember my difficulties with "finishing" my encounters, or rather my inability to finish even with super hotties. In my 11 days, I only was able to "finish" 4 times. Pathetic. It might have been worse had there not been 2 ladies who encouraged BB, resulting in 3 of those finishes that otherwise were going bust.

Here are analysis results:

Average paid per encounter: 1850 Baht $ 53.

Average paid per day: 4000 $106.

Average No. Of encounter per day: 2. 5.

Average per Soi 6 encounter 1310 $ 30.

Average per WS gogo encounter 3330 $ 72.

Average WS Disco encounter 1875 $ 54.

Average BR Free Lance encounter 800 $ 23.

Total Direct Mongering Expense 40,650 $1,170.

Average Mongering Expense per day 3,700 $ 106.

A word on tips. I did not tip the providers very often. If they did their job, I did not tip. If they went above and beyond, I tipped. While most gave decent service, only a few girls truly went above and beyond, and those I tipped well.

Reviewing the data, I continue to be shocked at the cost per encounter. I do not monger much at all in the USA, and the reason is clear. In Pattaya, you can go down to BR and often get a really pretty lady for FS for $23! Soi 6 often hides some real stunners for $29 for a full hour if you take that long! I did not deliberately stay away from the gogo's, even though the average for some top-quality girls was just $72 for ST. There are certainly higher-priced gogo girls, but for whatever reason I did not partake.

The experienced Pattaya mongerer might be briefly entertained by this analysis, but I wrote it for the newbies to give them an idea of how much money to bring. Of course, food and alcohol can greatly increase your variable expenses. I indicated my results are skewed towards meeting more FL and Soi 6 girls, but I think the overall quality was not harmed that much.

To use this data, you can estimate the number and types of different encounters you want for each day of your planned visit. Add in what you might think you will spend on drinks and food and for other variable expenses. Bottom line is that mongering in Pattaya can be inexpensive compared to back home. I remember some Reno mongering from over 10 years ago where basic FS could be $300 to $500 to even $1000 for a 2-hour party. In Pattaya, you can engaged some really cute sweeties for $23 to $72.

Your Soi 6 numbers are off unless you're getting great deals on Soi 6. You said you included BF yet average Soi 6 session is 1000 baht with no 350 baht BF. I'm assuming not all 14 sessions were done after the bar closes.

Nevertheless, Soi 6 is always such a great deal. Generally good service by all the girls and so many to easily select from.

[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2020428]Day 2:

I was livid, but what could I do? Like I said, she was a total professional and she knew exactly where she was going to get the biggest payout that night. I downed what was left of my drink, and walked out of the club trying to hold on to what little bit of dignity I had left. On the way out I passed a couple of other girls who gave me some sympathetic looks. It would appear that even they felt sorry for me.

[/QUOTE]Great reports! I will be there in 12 days, so I am getting excited!

The way the gogo's seem to work is he who pays the BF first gets the girl. It generally does not matter if the girl is with another dude or not. If you like a girl that you see or who left you while you went to take a wizz, tell the mamasan who are ready to BF the girl and the chances are good you will get her. It matters not that the dude has bought her lots of drinks. If he has not BF'd her already, she is free to go with whoever does. I have had it happen to me. Bought her drinks and and the mamasan comes over and tells the girl some other dude BF'd her and to get ready to go with him! Not happey, I tell you! Lots of baht down the drain. But it works both way. You could have gone to the mamasan and probably have gotten your girl back by flashing some cash.

But the general advice is as soon as you think you want to take a girl home, BF her.

I advise that if you frequent a gogo, buy the mamasan some drinks. Do that and she will take care of you.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2020789]Your Soi 6 numbers are off unless you're getting great deals on Soi 6. You said you included BF yet average Soi 6 session is 1000 baht with no 350 baht BF. I'm assuming not all 14 sessions were done after the bar closes.

Nevertheless, Soi 6 is always such a great deal. Generally good service by all the girls and so many to easily select from.[/QUOTE]

Dern, you are correct on that! I updated the data. Mostly I spent 1300 with just 2 at 1350. Regardless, one heck of a deal as you confirm, though it takes a little searching to find a hottie there.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2020795]The way the gogo's seem to work is he who pays the BF first gets the girl. It generally does not matter if the girl is with another dude or not. If you like a girl that you see or who left you while you went to take a wizz, tell the mamasan who are ready to BF the girl and the chances are good you will get her. It matters not that the dude has bought her lots of drinks. If he has not BF'd her already, she is free to go with whoever does. I have had it happen to me. Bought her drinks and and the mamasan comes over and tells the girl some other dude BF'd her and to get ready to go with him! Not happey, I tell you! Lots of baht down the drain. But it works both way. You could have gone to the mamasan and probably have gotten your girl back by flashing some cash.[/QUOTE]Had a Japanese guy pull this stunt on me at a gogo. Unfortunately for him it was with one of my friends. She was pissed. Sure he got to go with her but I'm sure she gave him the shittiest time ever. My girl and I were sitting deciding where we were going to go after work and decided to hit a Thai disco. Then mamasan forced her to go with this older 50'ish Japanese guy. My girl said meet her at the Thai disco in 1 hour and 15 minutes. Sure enough she showed up and paid for both of us with the Japanese guy's 5000 baht. That's what she quoted the dude for ST because she didn't want to go.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2020795]Great reports! I will be there in 12 days, so I am getting excited!

The way the gogo's seem to work is he who pays the BF first gets the girl. It generally does not matter if the girl is with another dude or not.

But the general advice is as soon as you think you want to take a girl home, BF her..[/QUOTE]Thanks FLHawk, you're right of course. When we discussed money I should have closed the deal there and then. I sometimes spend too long deciding and should strike the iron whilst it's hot. I remember being really pissed at the time though, there were loads of other girls in the place but these 2 Koreans just have to have mine.

"I suddenly felt very awkward. Unsure of where to sit, what to do or who to look at. I quickly finished my drink and left that place behind me. I vowed as the door closed behind me never to return again. I knew I'd be back tomorrow. "

Khob Khun Krup for the excellent update. I am so happy to hear that The Windmill is grinding away nicely. I am heading there next week after Songkran.

I love the place.

My fondest memory is of me demonstrating the action of an Australian Rules Football goal umpire giving the goal signal to the bemused fellow Mongers in attendance.

It was a goal frenzy.

I had two happy employees bent over (one each side of me) and gave the goal signal into said employees (all four holes).

After about giving the all clear for three or four goals I slightly lost my balance and needed desperately to hold something or someone to stop me from falling down, lucky for me a rather rotund German looking sports lover was there for me to lean upon, however he did not appreciate my goal signaling units being placed on his pudgy body and he brushed me away as he wiped whatever I left him off his safari shirt.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2020799]Had a Japanese guy pull this stunt on me at a gogo. Unfortunately for him it was with one of my friends. She was pissed. Sure he got to go with her but I'm sure she gave him the shittiest time ever. My girl and I were sitting deciding where we were going to go after work and decided to hit a Thai disco. Then mamasan forced her to go with this older 50'ish Japanese guy. My girl said meet her at the Thai disco in 1 hour and 15 minutes. Sure enough she showed up and paid for both of us with the Japanese guy's 5000 baht. That's what she quoted the dude for ST because she didn't want to go.[/QUOTE]We have probably all had a hot girl yanked away by someone else who BFed her immediately. Some guys always want what someone else has apparently got, even if they don't know the girl. I have seen some girls look incredibly miserable, particularly in the old days when LT was more common, to have been BFed by some ahole guy who did not ask permission to do so.

Girls can easily say it's their period, so if you BF them, it is no guarantee you will get any satisfaction from it. Nothing can force her to fuck you if she doesn't want to. I can't fuck stiff legged girls anyway, even if they get naked. I always ask the girl if she wants to go with me, before BFing. Sometimes they really don't want to go. BF gives the girl permission to leave the bar with you butt guarantees little else. In the modern day you would normally expect a price for sex to be agreed to, however plenty of girls leave with me, with no price discussion having occurred.

However if you want a really hot girl, you better ask her quickly and get her BFed quickly, otherwise 5 minutes later her regular will waltz in, and BF her immediately.

I don't think I have ever been so rude as to just BF a girl out from under some other guy, however, I have given a girl the signal, and when she came to me, I mentioned I would BF her if the other guy did not. This gives the girl the option to choose. In some cases she doesn't like the other guy at all, so quite happy to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] him off, especially if he is an arrogant type.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2020939]We have probably all had a hot girl yanked away by someone else who BFed her immediately. Some guys always want what someone else has apparently got, even if they don't know the girl. I have seen some girls look incredibly miserable, particularly in the old days when LT was more common, to have been BFed by some ahole guy who did not ask permission to do so.

Girls can easily say it's their period, so if you BF them, it is no guarantee you will get any satisfaction from it. Nothing can force her to fuck you if she doesn't want to. I can't fuck stiff legged girls anyway, even if they get naked. I always ask the girl if she wants to go with me, before BFing. Sometimes they really don't want to go. BF gives the girl permission to leave the bar with you butt guarantees little else. In the modern day you would normally expect a price for sex to be agreed to, however plenty of girls leave with me, with no price discussion having occurred.

However if you want a really hot girl, you better ask her quickly and get her BFed quickly, otherwise 5 minutes later her regular will waltz in, and BF her immediately.

I don't think I have ever been so rude as to just BF a girl out from under some other guy, however, I have given a girl the signal, and when she came to me, I mentioned I would BF her if the other guy did not. especially if he is an arrogant type.[/QUOTE]See, its little nuggets of info like this which make this site so useful. I just presumed that there must be some kind of unwritten law that you don't steal from another guy's basket. Interesting to hear that it's so cut throat out there.

I just assumed that when it happened to me, it was one of her regulars but it could also be that she just ditched me as she thought she could get a better offer from the Korean guy though. We will never know. Man she was hot.

There is an unbelievably good looking black hottie on beach road (opposite to mike shopping mall I think not sure, she was seen with some other black girls). Anyone tried her? How was the experience and what did you pay her?

[QUOTE=Darpra;2021198]There is an unbelievably good looking black hottie on beach road (opposite to mike shopping mall I think not sure, she was seen with some other black girls). Anyone tried her? How was the experience and what did you pay her?[/QUOTE]I've got a cousin lives in LA. Name is Bob. Maybe you know him? I've seen a lot of black girls in Pattaya, in all shades; a little specificity might be recommended next time. Then again somebody here estimated that there are more than 20,000 sex workers in Pattaya (and I bet the number is higher). On second thought, asking about a specific provider who might be trolling a vast expanse is pointless. As opposed to, say the name of a particular dancer with a unique name in an agogo. Sorry to be the first to score you, and I myself have been excoriated after a stupid post. If you would have spent more than five minutes looking at this board, you'd also notice that tastes in women vary considerably, and "hottie" is, well, a tad subjective.

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2021239]I've got a cousin lives in LA. Name is Bob. Maybe you know him? I've seen a lot of black girls in Pattaya, in all shades; a little specificity might be recommended next time. Then again somebody here estimated that there are more than 20,000 sex workers in Pattaya (and I bet the number is higher). On second thought, asking about a specific provider who might be trolling a vast expanse is pointless. As opposed to, say the name of a particular dancer with a unique name in an agogo. Sorry to be the first to score you, and I myself have been excoriated after a stupid post. If you would have spent more than five minutes looking at this board, you'd also notice that tastes in women vary considerably, and "hottie" is, well, a tad subjective.[/QUOTE]Oh well. There are only around 5 black girls that were sticking together in that area I mentioned and this one clearly stood out and is impossible to miss. When we were strolling almost every time someone was making a move on her or she was temporarily missing. Most people walking past were taking a peek at her as well. Going by that I thought she had some celebrity status. She's slim, tall and definitely model material.

(Apologies in advance for the length of the report, but it turned into quite an eventful day).

And so I headed into my last full day and night, I was leaving at around 6 pm the next day so this would be my last big blowout. I'd done pretty well with money all things considering, my budget allowed me to have a pretty good time today and as long as I didn't go too crazy I could have a little daytime fun tomorrow.

It was about 3 pm when I decided to leave the hotel. I got some food then headed straight down to Soi 6, it was my last night, so despite feeling quite tired I didn't want to waste any time. I realized when walking down the street that I was just too hungover to properly speak to any girls. It takes good concentration at the best of times to listen to their questions, and I was in no mood to concentrate and make small talk. I was also looking quite disheveled and hadn't shaved. So I decided I needed a few pick me ups before I went on a proper hunt. I read somewhere that Scooters was a good bar to start in as it wasn't a real 'working girls bar' so I had a couple of Changs in there.

Whilst in Scooters I noticed a real hottie across the road in Lucky Love bar, however she was stuck with an older gentleman who was buying her drinks. I decided to take a walk down the road and come back later to see if she was free. I popped into Ruby Bar, Pussy Club and one another whose name escapes me. Nothing was really grabbing my attention. There was at least one cutie in each of the bars, but there English was so limited I got bored with them in seconds (I know some people will now post that it's not my job to talk with them, it's to fuck them, but I'm an old fashioned kind of guy and I like to strike up a bit of a relationship with the girl before ploughing them).

I wandered down to Lucky Love again and to my dismay the real hottie I had my eye on was now talking to a new older guy. Curse my damned luck, this could only happen to me. I decided to go into Lucky Love and hang around in the hope that Old Guy mark2 would fuck off. Some other less attractive girls started talking to me, I needed to stay strong as I only had eyes for their friend, But the old guy was persistent, he was still there. The girls were talking to me, they were very good in not pestering me for a drink, for that I give them credit. However we had speaking for quite a while now and it was getting to the stage where I had to buy at least one of them a drink out of politeness. But I didn't want either of these girls, I wanted the hottie. 'oh why don't you fuck off old guy' I said to myself. But he was still there, talking to her, boring her senseless. I felt like saying to the other girls that I was only here for their friend, but thought that might have been bad form. In the end I gave up, I wasn't going to win this particular battle, but don't worry Hottie from Lucky Love Bar, Soi 6. Next time you will be mine.

I took a wander down the road, I decided at this point that the first thing that grabbed my attention I was going to stick with no matter what. A group of girls from Lisa Bar called me in, I sat with them had a quick look around for the best of the bunch. I locked in on {Insert random Thai name here} and informed her she was the lucky victim, she seemed very happy and placed herself on my lap. Now this girl was a lot of fun, she spoke pretty good English (as good as you're likely to get on Soi 6) and had a real dirty look about her. The only problem is, she liked her drink. And I mean a lot. I was happy enough buying them for her as I was having a lot of fun, but in the space of less than an hour we'd had quite a lot to drink. Her and her friends even had a secret stash of whiskey in their bags that she was topping up our drinks with. I began to realize I had better stop drinking and needed to get down to some action. We discussed money, she said 1000 for her and 400 for the room. 400? That seemed pretty steep, from what I remember the rooms should only be 300. But I thought Fuck it, I'd invested too much time and ran up too much of a bar bill to back out now and so upstairs we went.

I'd picked {Insert random Thai name here} as a dirty looking girl from the outset, and she certainly didn't disappoint. I can honestly say it was one of the best sessions I'd ever experienced, very wet, very sloppy blowjob and she devoured every last millimeter of me. After a few positions I started noticing something which no man ever wants to notice when in my position. My usually reliable member was starting to flag. No I cried, this can't be happening. But it was. And it was happening fast. It must have been a combination of the booze, the tiredness and the general overuse from the past 2 days. The girl quickly began to notice. She must have taken this as an affront to her amazing hard work, but she did not blink, not even once. She quickly whipped off the condom and placed my flagging member back in her mouth. From there, with a combination of her hands and mouth she quickly got things back on track, so far back on track that I was quickly ready to unload. She knew what was coming but didn't hold back, she kept her mouth clamped around my now fully erect dick and looked up at me with her big brown eyes whist I unloaded down her throat. She swallowed every last drop God bless her, and then quickly ran to the bathroom to wash her mouth out and gargle mouthwash. She realized we were over the hour time mark and hurried me to get changed. Apart from being bundled out of the room at the last minute, it was hands down the best experience of the trip so far and would be tough to beat. Congratulations Soi 6, you never fail to disappoint. I went back to my hotel for a shower and freshen up and was a very happy man.

After a quick shower and shave I took a wander along Beach Road. I didn't really have any intention to take a lady from there, I just wanted to take a look. The amount of girls there was insane. There were hundreds of them, of all shapes and sizes. I actually felt sorry for some of them, there is no way a lot of them could have been making any money as they were pretty horrendous. Though I guess everyone has their own tastes. I also noticed a few real stunners amongst them, not many admittedly, but a few. I made a mental note as that is something I would like to try in the future. Whilst walking along, I began to think about what had happened earlier. It had never really happened to me before and I had always been quick to stand to attention as and when needed. It was a worrying phenomenon and I was concerned about it happening again. One great thing about this forum is the tips fellow mongers provide and I remembered a lot of discussion about something called Kamagra Jelly (I decided maybe I should try this out so went into a pharmacy to inquire. One sachet was 100 baht bargain, so I decided to bite the bullet. Looking at the small sachet a few thoughts were running through my head. I'd never taken anything like this before (never needed to, I must be getting old. Is this the start of a slippery slope? How much do I take? How quick will it work? How much of an effect will it have? How long will it last? I looked at it again, quickly tore it open before I could change my mind and swallowed the contents. Then I waited.

As I was waiting, and just as I suspected I would, from a far off distance I heard the sound of Windmill Agogo calling me. Their distant cries were beckoning me with promises of a better life and a leaner wallet. I thought I would give it one last shot. This time when I walked in I was surprised by how normal it all was. The same madness was going down but this time I was numbed to the action and felt more relaxed. Not many nice ladies on the ground so I took a short walk up the stairs. I immediately clapped eyes on a real stunner and she came over to introduce herself. I thought I had really hit the jackpot here as I wasn't expecting to meet such a looker in Windmill. We fooled around for awhile and she let me finger her, when it was time to dance she got on stage and locked her eyes on me whilst displaying some very sultry and provocative moves. The mamasan quickly came and set next to me, she explained the barfine was 1000 and I should be able to take the girl for a couple of thousand. 'Excellent', I thought and was preparing myself for the ride of my life. Now you can imagine my total disappointment when the girl came back and informed me that she would cost a grand total of 4000 baht. 4000! That is Shanghai prices, I didn't travel all this way to pay the same price as I would back home. The deal was off. The girl was not amused, and gave me some decidedly angry looks as I finished my drink and left.

By this point the jelly I had taken had very much done its job. It had quite an effect, the blood was certainly pumping in the right direction, so much so that I was a little worried that not enough blood was getting to my brain. After some careful readjustments below, so as not to make it so noticeable, I decided a trek round the nightclubs was in order. Insomnia was just too damn busy, I didn't like the music in 808 and it was full of guys. I went into Marine and saw the girl I picked up the previous night, she asked me if I was interested in her again but I politely declined. I got a few smiles from some other girls but they all seemed to be with guys already (why would they do that? Why smile at me if you're already with someone? There was nothing in here so I headed to Lucifer. I looked around, I was really tired by this point and was about to head home when suddenly, BANG! There she was. I knew the moment I saw her she had to be my partner for the night. I didn't care if a whole crew of Koreans or rich old men got there first. She was mine.

A little older than I would normally go for, early 30's I would say, but she had a smoking hot body. Wearing a little black dress that complemented her golden brown skin. Long straight black hair and a high nose (possibly fake). She had a look about her that wasn't typically Thai and I was smitten. She introduced herself as Theary and I bought her and her short little friend a drink. Initially her friend tried to dance with me, but my body language made it clear I only had eyes for my girl. After a bit of dancing and chat I asked if she wanted to go back to my hotel. She said yes but added the caveat that I would need to pay for her!. I looked at her strangely and told her I was well aware of that, so after a while we said goodbye to her friend (I was a little worried about leaving her alone as her friend was quite drunk, my girl was impressed by the fact I cared and I think I got a few extra brownie points) and we were soon on a motorbike off to my hotel.

On the way back we chatted a lot as her English was impeccable. We arrived at the hotel and she gave the reception her ID. Hold on a minute, what's this I see. She just handed over a Cambodian passport. My initial thinking that she didn't look Thai was right. Now this made my already bulging erection stand up even more as I'd never been with a Cambodian girl before. 'Another nationality to check off the list' I thought. She explained that she comes to Pattaya for 2 weeks at a time, then goes back home. She returns to Thailand as and when needed.

In the bedroom she showered alone (boo) but when she stepped out, the body that had been under that little black dress was everything I had imagined it to be. It was heavenly, she was 36 years old but it was clear she looked after herself. I could have looked at it all night, but I had a job to do. In the bed, if I'm honest she was nothing special, but I couldn't have cared less. I was entranced. At that moment in time I would have quit my job, left my family and given up all my worldly possessions for her.

The next morning we talked some more before going for round number 2. I asked her why she thought the need to tell me that I needed to pay money for her services in the club, she explained that, unfortunately she needs to do this now, even though she hates doing it. She had a couple of bad experiences with some chancers who took her back to their hotels but didn't pay her. They had said that they were never told they had to pay so didn't. It's people like that who give us mongers a bad name, I said to myself. We all know the score, and what those guys did was tantamount to theft. This was just one of the many interesting topics we talked about regarding what she does, I will maybe raise some of these points in future posts.

Anyway, the rest of my final day was spent with her. She was the total GFE and we had a lot of fun together. I paid her 2000 in the morning, and after she stuck around with me all day I gave her what was left in my wallet bar taxi money as I had no need for it (probably around 500 b). As we parted company and she walked off into the distance I got that horrible sickly feeling, that stomach churning, gut wrenching feeling you only get when you are saying goodbye to a great couple of days in Pattaya. You know you have to leave (your liver, wallet and sanity are crying out for you to stop) but you don't know when you'll be back, and the thought of having to go home saddens you. My first few days back in China have been spent reminiscing on my adventures in the LOS, who knows when I will return. I was feeling depressed, but yesterday the sun came out. The girls have started to wear less clothes, it looks like Spring has finally sprung. A cute girl just smiled at me in the coffee shop. I smiled back, oh well, maybe things won't turn out so bad.

[QUOTE=Darpra;2021198]There is an unbelievably good looking black hottie on beach road (opposite to mike shopping mall I think not sure, she was seen with some other black girls). Anyone tried her? How was the experience and what did you pay her?[/QUOTE]Yes, I think I know the chick you are talking about. I tried her 2 months ago. She certainly is a looker. She is from Mahajunga, Madagascar, 23 yrs old, and goes by the name of Eliza. She charges 1000 baht ST. She is quite friendly and speaks reasonable English having learnt it only in Pattaya. And of course she speaks French. She has nice pert tits, and has some hair on the box which extends to her navel. She gives good but short duration covered head. For the FJ she is not a great performer, as in missionary she wouldn't open her legs enough. She is rather difficult to do in doggy due to her height, but flat dog is okay. Also not real tight at the entrance. Probably wouldn't repeat myself, but YMMV. Yes, she usually stands across from Mike Shopping on beach Road along with a few other Madagascan chicks and a Mauritanian chick (not recommended).

I have ZERO interest in these girls but chances are she is in this video as police swept the illegal black girls last month.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYi3QwES_F8[/URL]

[QUOTE=Franga;2021531]

... She is from Mahajunga, Madagascar, 23 yrs old, and goes by the name of Eliza...[/QUOTE]
Looks nice, but real bad service - like in Europe - but her sister: Zarah is very hot: take the howl dick in the mouth and fucking is also very good. Except like Elisa - too business minded, not like Mada Girls 5 years ago....

Thanks Badbhoy. Hopefully you make it back to Pattaya soon. You live very close so hopefully we can enjoy more of your reviews.

I have posted your 3 day virgin tour in the Links to Reports of Distinction thread. [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2009-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction&p=2021573[/URL]

[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2021411]There was at least one cutie in each of the bars, but there English was so limited I got bored with them in seconds (I know some people will now post that it's not my job to talk with them, it's to fuck them, but I'm an old fashioned kind of guy and I like to strike up a bit of a relationship with the girl before ploughing them).

I wanted the hottie. 'oh why don't you fuck off old guy' I said to myself. But he was still there, talking to her, boring her senseless.[/QUOTE]Great reports BB. That little double standard was funny though. You want to talk to them and strike up a relationship, but you do not want other punters to do it.

[QUOTE=Franga;2021531]Yes, I think I know the chick you are talking about. I tried her 2 months ago. She certainly is a looker. She is from Mahajunga, Madagascar, 23 yrs old, and goes by the name of Eliza. She charges 1000 baht ST. She is quite friendly and speaks reasonable English having learnt it only in Pattaya. And of course she speaks French. She has nice pert tits, and has some hair on the box which extends to her navel. She gives good but short duration covered head. For the FJ she is not a great performer, as in missionary she wouldn't open her legs enough. She is rather difficult to do in doggy due to her height, but flat dog is okay. Also not real tight at the entrance. Probably wouldn't repeat myself, but YMMV. Yes, she usually stands across from Mike Shopping on beach Road along with a few other Madagascan chicks and a Mauritanian chick (not recommended).[/QUOTE]Thanks for the review. Covered head is a big turn off. But still would have tried her but was too unlucky.

Hi everyone,

I'll be making my 2nd trip out to Pattaya next month which happens to be during the low season. I'm curious to know what I should expect. Is it to be expected that there'll be a decrease in the number of available ladies in all areas (agogo bars, beer bars, clubs, freelancers)? The same decrease can be expected from the tourists and patrons? I know the low season has an overall effect in airfare and hotel / accommodation prices. Can one expect the same decrease in prices when negotiating with a girl? Or does the decrease in both supply and demand keep prices level.

I am happily proven wrong re the hot black girl (s). Proves it never hurts to ask. Well done, intel experts!

[QUOTE=Franga;2021531]Yes, I think I know the chick you are talking about. I tried her 2 months ago. She certainly is a looker. She is from Mahajunga, Madagascar, 23 yrs old, and goes by the name of Eliza. She charges 1000 baht ST. She is quite friendly and speaks reasonable English having learnt it only in Pattaya. And of course she speaks French. She has nice pert tits, and has some hair on the box which extends to her navel.
(not recommended).[/QUOTE]Wow! A real old-time "treasure trail"? In this day of bald twats, that would be worth the price of admission.

Reminds me of my early teens, in the early 70's, talking to a classmate chick outside outside a convenience store. She was a bit homely, but was known to f*ck around and I was trying my luck. Then her big sister, a lanky red-headed skank and a notorious [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]n her high school, walks out of the store while while opening the pack of cigs she just bought, tossing the wrapper on the ground. Big sis is wearing those low-cut "hip huggers" and a tank top, leaving her midriff-completely bare. She walks up to us and looks me over. I then notice there is a fine line of red hair running down from her belly button to the waist of her jeans. I think I must have been glaring at it a while, because little Sis starts giggling and Big Sis is just quietly smirking, and then they depart in Big Sis' car (which I recall was an early 60's Dodge Dart). I visited an older kid on my block, who knew all the slutty high school girls pretty well, and mentioned what I just saw. He laughed and said, "Yeah, she's got a real treasure trail. What a [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]! I'd fuck her if she wasn't so ugly."

But, as to the original topic, I did notice a gaggle of black girls in the location mentioned on both evenings I was in Pattaya. I got the feeling that had that spot staked out. They seemed an attractive bunch but I was deep in "yellow fever" at that moment, and didn't care about that other stuff.

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2021661]I'll be making my 2nd trip out to Pattaya next month which happens to be during the low season. I'm curious to know what I should expect. Is it to be expected that there'll be a decrease in the number of available ladies in all areas (agogo bars, beer bars, clubs, freelancers)?[/QUOTE]How long are you staying and how many chicks do you plan to fuck? If it is not more than 10,000 then there is no need to worry about it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2021705]How long are you staying and how many chicks do you plan to fuck? If it is not more than 10,000 then there is no need to worry about it.[/QUOTE]Not on this trip, but maybe someday I'll hit that number. I'm no Wilt Chamberlain yet.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2021574]Thanks Badbhoy. Hopefully you make it back to Pattaya soon. You live very close so hopefully we can enjoy more of your reviews.

I have posted your 3 day virgin tour in the Links to Reports of Distinction thread. [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2009-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction&p=2021573[/URL][/QUOTE]Cheers Banana Boi, It's hard for me to get back often due to work and family commitments. But I'll hopefully be back around Christmas (aaaargh, that's ages away). In the meantime I'll keep checking in on this thread to see what's going down in Patts.

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2021661]Hi everyone,

I'll be making my 2nd trip out to Pattaya next month which happens to be during the low season. I'm curious to know what I should expect. Is it to be expected that there'll be a decrease in the number of available ladies in all areas (agogo bars, beer bars, clubs, freelancers)? The same decrease can be expected from the tourists and patrons? I know the low season has an overall effect in airfare and hotel / accommodation prices. Can one expect the same decrease in prices when negotiating with a girl? Or does the decrease in both supply and demand keep prices level.[/QUOTE]I go in April / May and November, and can't say I have notice must of a difference. Maybe there is, but nothing significant. Don't worry, if you are going for debauchery, you will have a great time.

Yiruna, won't be much different in May as your recent trip mid-March. You may actually prefer it because number of guys about half but still tons of girls everywhere as Mr. E mentions.

As I was talking with my Cambodian ladyfriend on my last day, she started talking about how Pattaya had changed. She said that one of the things that has dented the working girls income is the number of girls coming to Pattaya on holiday, and giving it away for free. She says a lot of European girls now come to Pattaya, seeing it as a holiday destination. They are out partying and fucking guys for free. As a working girl, she says, she obviously cannot compete with this, and it is becoming a bit of a problem for many of the girls. Has anyone else noticed this? Is it pretty easy to find a freebie in Pattaya? If it is only Europeans girls then it wouldn't really interest me anyway. I don't go to Thailand to fuck Russians, even if it is for free.

[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2021411](Apologies in advance for the length of the report, but it turned into quite an eventful day).

And so I headed into my last full day and night, I was leaving at around 6 pm the next day so this would be my last big blowout. I'd done pretty well with money all things considering, my budget allowed me to have a pretty good time today and as long as I didn't go too crazy I could have a little daytime fun tomorrow.

It was about 3 pm when I decided to leave the hotel. I got some food then headed straight down to Soi 6, it was my last night, so despite feeling quite tired I didn't want to waste any time. I realized when walking down the street that I was just too hungover to properly speak to any girls. It takes good concentration at the best of times to listen to their questions, and I was in no mood to concentrate and make small talk. I was also looking quite disheveled and hadn't shaved. So I decided I needed a few pick me ups before I went on a proper hunt. I read somewhere that Scooters was a good bar to start in as it wasn't a real 'working girls bar' so I had a couple of Changs in there.

Whilst in Scooters I noticed a real hottie across the road in Lucky Love bar, however she was stuck with an older gentleman who was buying her drinks. I decided to take a walk down the road and come back later to see if she was free. I popped into Ruby Bar, Pussy Club and one another whose name escapes me. Nothing was really grabbing my attention. There was at least one cutie in each of the bars, but there English was so limited I got bored with them in seconds (I know some people will now post that it's not my job to talk with them, it's to fuck them, but I'm an old fashioned kind of guy and I like to strike up a bit of a relationship with the girl before ploughing them).

I wandered down to Lucky Love again and to my dismay the real hottie I had my eye on was now talking to a new older guy. Curse my damned luck, this could only happen to me. I decided to go into Lucky Love and hang around in the hope that Old Guy mark2 would fuck off. Some other less attractive girls started talking to me, I needed to stay strong as I only had eyes for their friend, But the old guy was persistent, he was still there. The girls were talking to me, they were very good in not pestering me for a drink, for that I give them credit. However we had speaking for quite a while now and it was getting to the stage where I had to buy at least one of them a drink out of politeness. But I didn't want either of these girls, I wanted the hottie. 'oh why don't you fuck off old guy' I said to myself. But he was still there, talking to her, boring her senseless. I felt like saying to the other girls that I was only here for their friend, but thought that might have been bad form. In the end I gave up, I wasn't going to win this particular battle, but don't worry Hottie from Lucky Love Bar, Soi 6. Next time you will be mine.

I took a wander down the road, I decided at this point that the first thing that grabbed my attention I was going to stick with no matter what. A group of girls from Lisa Bar called me in, I sat with them had a quick look around for the best of the bunch. I locked in on {Insert random Thai name here} and informed her she was the lucky victim, she seemed very happy and placed herself on my lap. Now this girl was a lot of fun, she spoke pretty good English (as good as you're likely to get on Soi 6) and had a real dirty look about her. The only problem is, she liked her drink. And I mean a lot. I was happy enough buying them for her as I was having a lot of fun, but in the space of less than an hour we'd had quite a lot to drink. Her and her friends even had a secret stash of whiskey in their bags that she was topping up our drinks with. I began to realize I had better stop drinking and needed to get down to some action. We discussed money, she said 1000 for her and 400 for the room. 400? That seemed pretty steep, from what I remember the rooms should only be 300. But I thought Fuck it, I'd invested too much time and ran up too much of a bar bill to back out now and so upstairs we went.

I'd picked {Insert random Thai name here} as a dirty looking girl from the outset, and she certainly didn't disappoint. I can honestly say it was one of the best sessions I'd ever experienced, very wet, very sloppy blowjob and she devoured every last millimeter of me. After a few positions I started noticing something which no man ever wants to notice when in my position. My usually reliable member was starting to flag. No I cried, this can't be happening. But it was. And it was happening fast. It must have been a combination of the booze, the tiredness and the general overuse from the past 2 days. The girl quickly began to notice. She must have taken this as an affront to her amazing hard work, but she did not blink, not even once. She quickly whipped off the condom and placed my flagging member back in her mouth. From there, with a combination of her hands and mouth she quickly got things back on track, so far back on track that I was quickly ready to unload. She knew what was coming but didn't hold back, she kept her mouth clamped around my now fully erect dick and looked up at me with her big brown eyes whist I unloaded down her throat. She swallowed every last drop God bless her, and then quickly ran to the bathroom to wash her mouth out and gargle mouthwash. She realized we were over the hour time mark and hurried me to get changed. Apart from being bundled out of the room at the last minute, it was hands down the best experience of the trip so far and would be tough to beat. Congratulations Soi 6, you never fail to disappoint. I went back to my hotel for a shower and freshen up and was a very happy man.

After a quick shower and shave I took a wander along Beach Road. I didn't really have any intention to take a lady from there, I just wanted to take a look. The amount of girls there was insane. There were hundreds of them, of all shapes and sizes. I actually felt sorry for some of them, there is no way a lot of them could have been making any money as they were pretty horrendous. Though I guess everyone has their own tastes. I also noticed a few real stunners amongst them, not many admittedly, but a few. I made a mental note as that is something I would like to try in the future. Whilst walking along, I began to think about what had happened earlier. It had never really happened to me before and I had always been quick to stand to attention as and when needed. It was a worrying phenomenon and I was concerned about it happening again. One great thing about this forum is the tips fellow mongers provide and I remembered a lot of discussion about something called Kamagra Jelly (I decided maybe I should try this out so went into a pharmacy to inquire. One sachet was 100 baht bargain, so I decided to bite the bullet. Looking at the small sachet a few thoughts were running through my head. I'd never taken anything like this before (never needed to, I must be getting old. Is this the start of a slippery slope? How much do I take? How quick will it work? How much of an effect will it have? How long will it last? I looked at it again, quickly tore it open before I could change my mind and swallowed the contents. Then I waited.

As I was waiting, and just as I suspected I would, from a far off distance I heard the sound of Windmill Agogo calling me. Their distant cries were beckoning me with promises of a better life and a leaner wallet. I thought I would give it one last shot. This time when I walked in I was surprised by how normal it all was. The same madness was going down but this time I was numbed to the action and felt more relaxed. Not many nice ladies on the ground so I took a short walk up the stairs. I immediately clapped eyes on a real stunner and she came over to introduce herself. I thought I had really hit the jackpot here as I wasn't expecting to meet such a looker in Windmill. We fooled around for awhile and she let me finger her, when it was time to dance she got on stage and locked her eyes on me whilst displaying some very sultry and provocative moves. The mamasan quickly came and set next to me, she explained the barfine was 1000 and I should be able to take the girl for a couple of thousand. 'Excellent', I thought and was preparing myself for the ride of my life. Now you can imagine my total disappointment when the girl came back and informed me that she would cost a grand total of 4000 baht. 4000! That is Shanghai prices, I didn't travel all this way to pay the same price as I would back home. The deal was off. The girl was not amused, and gave me some decidedly angry looks as I finished my drink and left.

By this point the jelly I had taken had very much done its job. It had quite an effect, the blood was certainly pumping in the right direction, so much so that I was a little worried that not enough blood was getting to my brain. After some careful readjustments below, so as not to make it so noticeable, I decided a trek round the nightclubs was in order. Insomnia was just too damn busy, I didn't like the music in 808 and it was full of guys. I went into Marine and saw the girl I picked up the previous night, she asked me if I was interested in her again but I politely declined. I got a few smiles from some other girls but they all seemed to be with guys already (why would they do that? Why smile at me if you're already with someone? There was nothing in here so I headed to Lucifer. I looked around, I was really tired by this point and was about to head home when suddenly, BANG! There she was. I knew the moment I saw her she had to be my partner for the night. I didn't care if a whole crew of Koreans or rich old men got there first. She was mine.

A little older than I would normally go for, early 30's I would say, but she had a smoking hot body. Wearing a little black dress that complemented her golden brown skin. Long straight black hair and a high nose (possibly fake). She had a look about her that wasn't typically Thai and I was smitten. She introduced herself as Theary and I bought her and her short little friend a drink. Initially her friend tried to dance with me, but my body language made it clear I only had eyes for my girl. After a bit of dancing and chat I asked if she wanted to go back to my hotel. She said yes but added the caveat that I would need to pay for her!. I looked at her strangely and told her I was well aware of that, so after a while we said goodbye to her friend (I was a little worried about leaving her alone as her friend was quite drunk, my girl was impressed by the fact I cared and I think I got a few extra brownie points) and we were soon on a motorbike off to my hotel.

On the way back we chatted a lot as her English was impeccable. We arrived at the hotel and she gave the reception her ID. Hold on a minute, what's this I see. She just handed over a Cambodian passport. My initial thinking that she didn't look Thai was right. Now this made my already bulging erection stand up even more as I'd never been with a Cambodian girl before. 'Another nationality to check off the list' I thought. She explained that she comes to Pattaya for 2 weeks at a time, then goes back home. She returns to Thailand as and when needed.

In the bedroom she showered alone (boo) but when she stepped out, the body that had been under that little black dress was everything I had imagined it to be. It was heavenly, she was 36 years old but it was clear she looked after herself. I could have looked at it all night, but I had a job to do. In the bed, if I'm honest she was nothing special, but I couldn't have cared less. I was entranced. At that moment in time I would have quit my job, left my family and given up all my worldly possessions for her.

The next morning we talked some more before going for round number 2. I asked her why she thought the need to tell me that I needed to pay money for her services in the club, she explained that, unfortunately she needs to do this now, even though she hates doing it. She had a couple of bad experiences with some chancers who took her back to their hotels but didn't pay her. They had said that they were never told they had to pay so didn't. It's people like that who give us mongers a bad name, I said to myself. We all know the score, and what those guys did was tantamount to theft. This was just one of the many interesting topics we talked about regarding what she does, I will maybe raise some of these points in future posts.

Anyway, the rest of my final day was spent with her. She was the total GFE and we had a lot of fun together. I paid her 2000 in the morning, and after she stuck around with me all day I gave her what was left in my wallet bar taxi money as I had no need for it (probably around 500 b). As we parted company and she walked off into the distance I got that horrible sickly feeling, that stomach churning, gut wrenching feeling you only get when you are saying goodbye to a great couple of days in Pattaya. You know you have to leave (your liver, wallet and sanity are crying out for you to stop) but you don't know when you'll be back, and the thought of having to go home saddens you. My first few days back in China have been spent reminiscing on my adventures in the LOS, who knows when I will return. I was feeling depressed, but yesterday the sun came out. The girls have started to wear less clothes, it looks like Spring has finally sprung. A cute girl just smiled at me in the coffee shop. I smiled back, oh well, maybe things won't turn out so bad.[/QUOTE]What a fun report to read. Pleasure to read someone's report that has blended a field report with some flair and humor. Love the journey of the last day and how hunting sometimes leads to finding gems. Makes all the bad experiences worth the effort! Keep up the good work!

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2021661]Hi everyone,

I'll be making my 2nd trip out to Pattaya next month which happens to be during the low season. I'm curious to know what I should expect. Is it to be expected that there'll be a decrease in the number of available ladies in all areas (agogo bars, beer bars, clubs, freelancers)?[/QUOTE]Not at all. There is no sizable difference in the number of available girls during low or high season. For the girls working in the sex industry it is a full time occupation, not a seasonal activity.

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2021661]
The same decrease can be expected from the tourists and patrons?[/QUOTE]There will be less tourists and somewhat less patrons.

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2021661] I know the low season has an overall effect in airfare and hotel / accommodation prices. Can one expect the same decrease in prices when negotiating with a girl? Or does the decrease in both supply and demand keep prices level.[/QUOTE]The girls' prices remain the same throughout the year. Don't expect any bargains during low season.

[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2021411](Apologies in advance for the length of the report, but it turned into quite an eventful day).

And so I headed into my last full day and night, I was leaving at around 6 pm the next day so this would be my last big blowout. I'd done pretty well with money all things considering, my budget allowed me to have a pretty good time today and as long as I didn't go too crazy I could have a little daytime fun tomorrow.

It was about 3 pm when I decided to leave the hotel. I got some food then headed straight down to Soi 6, it was my last night, so despite feeling quite tired I didn't want to waste any time. I realized when walking down the street that I was just too hungover to properly speak to any girls. It takes good concentration at the best of times to listen to their questions, and I was in no mood to concentrate and make small talk. I was also looking quite disheveled and hadn't shaved. So I decided I needed a few pick me ups before I went on a proper hunt. I read somewhere that Scooters was a good bar to start in as it wasn't a real 'working girls bar' so I had a couple of Changs in there.

Whilst in Scooters I noticed a real hottie across the road in Lucky Love bar, however she was stuck with an older gentleman who was buying her drinks. I decided to take a walk down the road and come back later to see if she was free. I popped into Ruby Bar, Pussy Club and one another whose name escapes me. Nothing was really grabbing my attention. There was at least one cutie in each of the bars, but there English was so limited I got bored with them in seconds (I know some people will now post that it's not my job to talk with them, it's to fuck them, but I'm an old fashioned kind of guy and I like to strike up a bit of a relationship with the girl before ploughing them)....[/QUOTE]Nice report. Keep it up.

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2021661] Can one expect the same decrease in prices when negotiating with a girl? Or does the decrease in both supply and demand keep prices level.[/QUOTE]No decrease in price during the low season, in fact prices are sometimes quoted higher.

Just be vigilant and stand your ground when bargaining.

Smile, be happy and enjoy this beautiful place.

[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2021798]As I was talking with my Cambodian ladyfriend on my last day, she started talking about how Pattaya had changed. She said that one of the things that has dented the working girls income is the number of girls coming to Pattaya on holiday, and giving it away for free. She says a lot of European girls now come to Pattaya, seeing it as a holiday destination. They are out partying and fucking guys for free. As a working girl, she says, she obviously cannot compete with this, and it is becoming a bit of a problem for many of the girls. Has anyone else noticed this? Is it pretty easy to find a freebie in Pattaya? If it is only Europeans girls then it wouldn't really interest me anyway. I don't go to Thailand to fuck Russians, even if it is for free.[/QUOTE]I can't say I have seen too many Euyroepan girls out partying that aren't with Boyfreinds. Maybe a few in Ibar on occasion. Most have been kind of ugly too. At least IMHO.

I think I'd probably rather pay a Thai girl than fuck a Russian free. Unless she looked like Anna Kournikova. .

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2021661]Hi everyone,

I'll be making my 2nd trip out to Pattaya next month which happens to be during the low season. I'm curious to know what I should expect. Is it to be expected that there'll be a decrease in the number of available ladies in all areas (agogo bars, beer bars, clubs, freelancers)? The same decrease can be expected from the tourists and patrons? I know the low season has an overall effect in airfare and hotel / accommodation prices. Can one expect the same decrease in prices when negotiating with a girl? Or does the decrease in both supply and demand keep prices level.[/QUOTE]I like Pattaya in April-May and I think it's better than in late December / January. Plenty of girls and less punters to compete with. Hot as fuck, though. 555.

[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2021411] I went into Marine and saw the girl I picked up the previous night, she asked me if I was interested in her again but I politely declined. I got a few smiles from some other girls but they all seemed to be with guys already (why would they do that? Why smile at me if you're already with someone? There was nothing in here so I headed to Lucifer. I looked around, I was really tired by this point and was about to head home when suddenly, BANG! There she was. I knew the moment I saw her she had to be my partner for the night. I didn't care if a whole crew of Koreans or rich old men got there first. She was mine.

[/QUOTE]Great report! I haven't been to Marine in ages. I never had much luck there. I may have to pop in to take a look next trip.

[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2021411](Apologies in advance for the length of the report, but it turned into quite an eventful day).

By this point the jelly I had taken had very much done its job. It had quite an effect, the blood was certainly pumping in the right direction, so much so that I was a little worried that not enough blood was getting to my brain. After some careful readjustments below, so as not to make it so noticeable, I decided a trek round the nightclubs was in order. Insomnia was just too damn busy, I didn't like the music in 808 and it was full of guys. I went into Marine and saw the girl I picked up the previous night, she asked me if I was interested in her again but I politely declined. I got a few smiles from some other girls but they all seemed to be with guys already (why would they do that? Why smile at me if you're already with someone? There was nothing in here so I headed to Lucifer. I looked around, I was really tired by this point and was about to head home when suddenly, BANG! There she was. I knew the moment I saw her she had to be my partner for the night. I didn't care if a whole crew of Koreans or rich old men got there first. She was mine.[/QUOTE]I had a girl kiss me in front of a guy she went home with the previous night. I'm suspecting the guy got a real good discounted deal or was a pig. Some girls don't care / have poor business sense. For instance in High Society in AC some girls flock to the resident bottle poppers in VIP. The pro is they can drink all night and are guaranteed 500 pesos and breakfast. If they hook a new guy they may get 1 -2 k. Every night they may not hook a new guy so they may take the substandard deal. But when money is tight they want market rate or more. Girls come up for air and may be unable to bang for almost free every night with the good negotiators. Plus as girls hang with butterflies over time they learn their baggage.

Great reading, your contribution was hilarious and I would encourage its author to develop his literary talents. BadBhoy should also make the small investment of becoming a member of this noble forum which would enable private messaging.

LP (soon back to the Holy City of Pattaya to make bun on carnal prayer mats).

Soon to embark on 16th trip to LOS in June. Like to avoid bar fines by picking up freelancers along beach road north of walking street. The situation 2 years ago was grim. Law enforcement was overly aggressive, rounding up girls and taking them to Monkee House on Soi 9 and then subjected to pay a 500 BAHT fine. Several girls complained about this nonsense.

[QUOTE=ZDavolos;2022836]Soon to embark on 16th trip to LOS in June. Like to avoid bar fines by picking up freelancers along beach road north of walking street. The situation 2 years ago was grim. Law enforcement was overly aggressive, rounding up girls and taking them to Monkee House on Soi 9 and then subjected to pay a 500 BAHT fine. Several girls complained about this nonsense.[/QUOTE]Beach Road is better now (as of Feb 2017) than in 2015, quantity is substantially up, but quality is awful.

Police still does sweeps, but they're more predictable. I think the sidewalk reconstruction a few years ago (removing all the benches) has forced all the casual freelancers (ones mostly hanging out but still sometimes going with customers) away, now you only get hardcore ones who don't mind standing or sitting on odd steps for the whole evening.

The time window when a good number of Beach Road freelancers are out is fairly small now, 19.30-00.30 or so, not much happening outside of those hours. In the good old days, there was plenty of all-day-fun, especially in the afternoon, and more sweet-looking part-timer girls.

Last night around 11:45 pm there were less girls out probably related to Sangkran than previous weeks at this time.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2023048]Beach Road is better now (as of Feb 2017) than in 2015, quantity is substantially up, but quality is awful.

Police still does sweeps, but they're more predictable. I think the sidewalk reconstruction a few years ago (removing all the benches) has forced all the casual freelancers (ones mostly hanging out but still sometimes going with customers) away, now you only get hardcore ones who don't mind standing or sitting on odd steps for the whole evening.

The time window when a good number of Beach Road freelancers are out is fairly small now, 19.30-00.30 or so, not much happening outside of those hours. In the good old days, there was plenty of all-day-fun, especially in the afternoon, and more sweet-looking part-timer girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2020799]Sure enough she showed up and paid for both of us with the Japanese guy's 5000 baht. [/QUOTE]The beauty is he paid. And she will go again because she knows they will pay.

The last time I was in Thailand during Songkran was in 2008, and I was pretty sure things on ground this time would be vastly different from my memory of Songkran in Pattaya. I was both right and wrong at the same time.

I was right about the fact that Songkran has nothing to do with availability and price of pussy. I was wrong about the notion I carried that over the years the madness would have sobered down a bit. After all, this it is a time of mourning for the Thais. Add to it the recent LE crackdowns fuelled by scathing news reports in international media about Pattaya and its vices. But I was wrong. And how!!

I had booked a deluxe room with pool facing balcony at Areca Lodge on Soi Diana. I managed to get a great deal from the hotel. A separate report with the details can be found in the Pattaya – Hotels thread, so that the trip narrative stays focused. For those who are not interested in details, a quick summary:

Number of nights / days – 4.

Number of chicks banged – 10 (with one repeat).

Money spent on girls / barfine – 20,700.

Average per encounter – 2,070.

Selection platforms – Soi 6, Simon complex at Walking Street, GOGO Bars, Online.

Best VFM picks – Simon complex.

Most hassle-free picks – Soi 6.

Worst pick – Online.

Money spent on other non-mongering activities like drinks (self + various others) – 8,700.

Taxi (both ways) - 2400.

Hotel – SGD 58 per night with breakfast + 2 complimentary cocktails daily for the deluxe room with pool view. Quite a steal I would say.

It's a long read so fasten your belts, sit back and enjoy the ride. Oops! Read.

Day (Night) 1 – 12 Apr.

I flew into Suvarnabhumi from Singapore on an evening flight that landed in BKK at 7 pm. Now that is peak time for arrivals and I knew there would be a massive jam at immigration. But thanks to the best kept secret of Suvarnabhumi, I was out of immigration and baggage collection within 12 minutes of landing. I had booked a taxi to Pattaya through VR Taxi Service. Very reliable chap this Keak who runs the service. He charged me 1200 thb this time, said it's Songkran and it's hard to find a driver. I reached the hotel and checked in by 9. 15 pm and took a nice hot shower.

And here is when the fun starts. I had arranged for 3 girls to meet me at the Areca bar at 10 pm, 10.30 pm and 11 pm. The plan was to get a ST done with one of the three girls and then head out to look for LT prospects. I had arranged 3 girls purely for back-up. One might not turn up, the other might not be a replica of her pics, the third might not agree to my needs. Thus, 3 for safety. But as luck would have it, neither of the 3 girls were replying to my messages. It was now nearly 10.45 pm so I decided to trash the plan and play by ear. So I went to Kiss and got some grub and went to Payagayo. No specific reason, except that in a few previous reports the place had received some worthy mentions. Got in, got a drink and scouted the talent on stage and on the floor. Mamasan is a bit pushy, I must say. But within 20 minutes I spotted a chick who was 7. 5 in my books. Called her over for a drink and quickly made my intentions clear. Barfine was 800, steep in my opinion for a place like Papagayo. I agreed, paid the bill and went back to my room with her. No discussion about payment to the girl. Back in the room, the girl was outstanding in bed. A solid 8. It got me thinking about extending her stay at Areca. I asked her if she wanted to stay overnight and she agreed. But she also suggested we go out dancing. I am not much of a competition to Fred Astaire but I went with the flow since the girl was really nice and I wanted her in a good mood for the rest of our time together. She took me by bike-taxi to some local Thai disco somewhere off 3rd road. I think I was the only non-Thai inside that place. Spent a while there and returned by 3 am. We showered together this time and went to town again. I finally fell asleep, fully spent, by around 5 am. She woke me at 10 am with the morning wood services that I love so much. Finished up and lazed in bed for an hour more. Finally the time came to send her on her way, so I handed her 2000 plus 200 in tips and kissed her goodbye. Like most girls she asked me to visit her again at the bar to which I nodded and said maybe.

Day 2 – 13 Apr.

After she left I stepped across to Robin's Nest for some food. The food is just passable here. After this the madness of Songkran began. I headed to Soi 7 first to view and possibly participate in the water wars. I got completely drenched in ice cold water even before I could exit Soi Diana and reach 2nd Road. And Soi 7 was a warzone. Very crowded, mostly locals from the province roaming around in gangs having fun in playing with water. And the bars were packed too. I got accosted at one of the bars by two cute girls. I stopped for a drink. The girls asked for drinks but I countered by asking if they would do ST. They said they wanted to play now and later maybe we can go later. I was in no mood to buy drinks without a definitive reply, so I refused the request for drinks, finished mine and headed to Soi 6 where such interaction would be viewed as nonsense.

At 2 pm, Soi 6 was no less insane. None of the bars has the girls in any sort of uniform, which is a trademark of the bars there. Most were simply having a good time playing Songkran with customers and with each other. I stopped first at Sexy in the City and joined the troops there in their sole mission of drenching people who are already soaking wet. It was a couple of cute chicks there that made me pick that bar. So after a couple of hours I asked one of those girls to go up for a ST. She nodded and off we went. 350 for barfine and room. 1000 for the girl. No surprises here. You can see what you will get and you get what you see. After the romp, I hung out a bit longer and by 5 pm I started walking back to Areca via Beach Road. It is a long walk but I figured that would do me good. Once back at the hotel I took another hot shower and caught up on some sleep. Woke at 7 pm and fired up the social media apps. Within an hour I had a few girls willing to come in 30 minutes. So I picked the best one (from her pics on the app) and asked her to come by 10 pm. Once she agreed, I went across to Paanan for a much needed massage. After that I went back to the room and waited for the girl, who finally turned up at 10.20 pm. The girl was quite close to her pics in looks but lacked skills in bed. I sent her off quickly with 1000 and no tips.

It was nearly midnight now. I headed out to Walking Street. I first went to Rollive Live inside the Simon bar complex to say Hello, to a mamasan who I have known for quite a while now. And at her bar I spotted a real stunner. Immediately I pulled the trigger and called her over for drinks. The chick hails from Chaiyaphum, is 21 yo and has no kid. Her first month at the bar according to her, a statement that was later corroborated by the mamasan. I sat and bought drinks and built up some chemistry and finally by around 1. 30 am I paid my bills, her barfine (600) and left with her. She wanted to go to Lucifer and I agreed. I now wonder why I agreed.

Lucifer after renovation is a much better avatar of its former self. It was packed wall to wall with party animals at 1. 30 am. We got drinks, hung out for a while and got out from there only to head into Marine Disco which was relatively empty. We did not get drinks there as the smoke cloud hanging over our heads was too strong to ignore. I looked at the time and I could not believe my eyes. It was almost 4 am. So I insisted we go back. We grabbed some street food and went back to the room, showered and jumped into bed. And this is where this little 21 yo totally blew my mind with her bedroom skills. I would rate her skills at 9. Now after round 1 I was really sleepy, but I knew that if I slept then I would not wake up before noon and this girl might slip out before round 2. So I stayed up and chatted with her for another hour and then got into the act again. This time I took a very long time to come and when I did it was a morning protein shake for the girl. It was now 8 am so I slipped 2000 into the girl's bag and sent her away. I could see she wanted to stay but if she stayed I would not be able to sleep, so I had to let her go and get some shut eye. I made a mental note to go back to get her on this trip again and fell asleep.

Day 3 14 Apr.

Some shut eye turned out to be a trifle too long as I woke up only at 1. 30 pm. Mostly because I was hungry, so I went to Kiss and got a quite bite. The off to Soi 6 for some Songkran madness. Played for a few hours again, dividing my time between Night Wish and Toy Box at one end and Kawaii and Butterfly at another.

Around 5 pm I went back to Night Wish for a ST with one of the cuties I had spotted earlier in the day. Again the math and routine is the same. The Night Wish group now owns 14 bars on the strip with a 15th ready to open in a few weeks. Quite a thriving business. I came back to the hotel by 6 pm, showered and slept for a couple of hours. Woke up and started hitting the GOGO bars. Two on LK Metro and 3 on WS. Paradise and Office on LK. Skyfall, Sensations, and Wildcats on WS.

Paradise was nothing like the pics you see on Facebook. A lot of girls in their late 20's or early 30's. Did not stay for more than a drink.

Office was OK but the girls had too many clothes on that did not look like coming off anytime soon, so I left after a drink.

Skyfall was disappointing. It was a pale shadow of its former self, lacking terribly in quality and quantity of girls. Even the so called model girls were quite sad and most of them had fake titties. I could be wrong but I thought I detected a LB too on stage.

Next stop Sensations where the girls were much better but this was clearly an Asian haunt, so left with only a drink. If I stayed longer I could have picked a couple of really cute girls, but that would be both expensive and time consuming. It was nearly 11 pm.

Last stop at Wildcats following a review by a fellow BM. And he was right. You can spot the girl he described in a heartbeat because she was the only one worth noticing. Strange, because the bar was not empty. Quite a few patrons has their hands full (literally) with other girls. I called this chick over from the stage and got her a drink and discussed business right away. 800 for barfine and 1500 for her. I finished my drink and went off with her. And she was really worth the time and money spent hunting for the right one.

After finishing up with the chick I looked at my watch. Half past midnight. So I decided to go back to Simon complex and check out a couple of bars where I got cat calls the previous night. Stopped at Dream bar and instantly spotted a really hot looking babe. She was not smiling a whole lot, but I figured I would get her a few shots and things would improve. But after 3 shots she was still reserved and withdrawn. I asked if she would barfine and she agreed. 800 for barfine and a couple of 1000 on drinks, I left with her by 2. 30 am. Back in the room I discovered she had a top notch body. Lovely natural 34 see tits and an ass to die for. Incredibly tiny waist. In the room she was a completely different girl, cheerful, playful, talkative, caring and attentive. And she was just as good in bed. After we showered and made out in the shower we came out and started a slow session that lasted very long. She came multiple times with DATY and there was a very large wet patch on the bed soon. I finally finished and lay entwined with her till we both fell asleep. I woke an hour later, disposed the condom and went back to sleep.

We woke at 11 am, did the usual morning thing which again lasted for a long time. Slow rhythmic sex with everything else in between. I put 2500 in her purse and she left at 2 pm.

Day 4 – 15 Apr.

I was running late today from my schedule but I was also feeling lazy, so I chilled out by the pool and got a few laps in to regain energy. Finally I left for Soi 6 by 5 pm. The place was a lot more tepid than the previous two days. Went straight to Toy Box and picked a girl for ST. And I was very glad I picked her, because for a change the girl fucked me like a real champ. Unlike the usual 1 hour deal she voluntarily extended the time for no extra cost. At the end of nearly 2 hours I felt like a walking rag doll. My legs felt like jelly. Went straight back to my room and slept off till 11 pm.

This was my last night in Pattaya, so I wanted a LT that was reliable and memorable. So I sent a message to the girl I picked on Day 2 from Rolling Live. She was thrilled and requested me to come to her bar. So I went there by 11.30 pm and she was over the moon. She showed me off like a prize to the other girls and they were chattering incessantly while giving me glances and giggles.

Since I was tired I did not want to prolong things, so I asked for check-bin along with bar fine. The mamasan said that the girl had paid her own barfine to come with me today. I was taken aback. Never in my mongering career has this happened. I insisted I pay it, but I could not convince the girl nor the mamasan.

So finally we left around 1 am. Got some street food and went to the hotel. Back in the room she kissed me with a different level of passion and vigour. I could sense the change. After a nice long session we both fell asleep in each other's arms. Woke at 11 am next morning. I called the reception and asked for a late check out and they mercifully obliged with a checkout at 2 pm. No extra cost.

That gave me time for another relaxed session with this beautiful little girl.

Day 5 16 Apr.

Finally I let her go with 2600 (to cover for the barfine she paid). She protested at first but I told her to consider it a tip. After she left I checked out, left my bags with the bellboy and went for some lunch at Kiss. Then headed to Soi 6 for one last hurrah before catching a flight back to Singapore at 8 pm.

Went to Butterfly bar and picked a chick I had spotted earlier. Good session, but nothing like the ones from the last day.

By 4. 30 pm I left Pattaya, with the same feelings I have when I leave this place each time. Not enough, can't wait to get back, how to spend the next few days in hangover, etc.

The connections created this time will keep me motivated till my next visit when I will find a completely new bunch of chicks to keep the cycle going. Adios!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2021964]Great report! I haven't been to Marine in ages. I never had much luck there. I may have to pop in to take a look next trip.[/QUOTE]Don't bother, its a waste of time IMHO.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2023588] She was not smiling a whole lot, but I figured I would get her a few shots and things would improve. But after 3 shots she was still reserved and withdrawn. I asked if she would barfine and she agreed. 800 for barfine and a couple of 1000 on drinks, I left with her by 2. 30 am. Back in the room I discovered she had a top notch body. Lovely natural 34 see tits and an ass to die for. Incredibly tiny waist. In the room she was a completely different girl, cheerful, playful, talkative, caring and attentive. And she was just as good in bed. After we showered and made out in the shower we came out and started a slow session that lasted very long. She came multiple times with DATY and there was a very large wet patch on the bed soon. I finally finished and lay entwined with her till we both fell asleep. I woke an hour later, disposed the condom and went back to sleep.
[/QUOTE]I think this demonstrates something important. A girl does not have to be behaving well "over the top" to be good on the bed, after inhibitions relaxed somewhat by a few drinks. I am suspicious of girls immediately too wildly enthusiastic with me, since it has to be acting. Takes some time to build a bit of chemistry and feel relaxed. I don't really like girls transformed by a few drinks into complete sluts either, or into rampaging girls, where I know other guys go for as raunchy as possible. It is much more normal for girl to be hot for it behind closed doors.

I do try to joke around in a bar to lighten the mood. It is normal for bargirls to be initially bored out of their brain, especially at a late hour and not having been drinking alcohol. So starting off "withdrawn" is not such a bad sign. The drinks surely help.

Thanks for all the report details. Quite useful for a potential Pattaya newbie like me. Maybe I can impose on Banana Boi to show me a few things in Pattaya too.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2023587]I stopped for a drink. The girls asked for drinks but I countered by asking if they would do ST. They said they wanted to play now and later maybe we can go later. I was in no mood to buy drinks without a definitive reply, so I refused the request for drinks, finished mine and headed to Soi 6 where such interaction would be viewed as nonsense.[/QUOTE]I had to read this twice, because a light bulb went off in my head. This was a very smart move on your part. It weeds out those who are not just starfish, but just doing the bare minimum in the bedroom. It was also smart because you only had 4 days, and also no need to be chasing women like it was a date.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2023590]Day 5 16 Apr.

Finally I let her go with 2600 (to cover for the barfine she paid). She protested at first but I told her to consider it a tip. After she left I checked out, left my bags with the bellboy and went for some lunch at Kiss. Then headed to Soi 6 for one last hurrah before catching a flight back to Singapore at 8 pm.

Went to Butterfly bar and picked a chick I had spotted earlier. Good session, but nothing like the ones from the last day.

By 4. 30 pm I left Pattaya, with the same feelings I have when I leave this place each time. Not enough, can't wait to get back, how to spend the next few days in hangover, etc.

The connections created this time will keep me motivated till my next visit when I will find a completely new bunch of chicks to keep the cycle going. Adios![/QUOTE]I loved this report.

Very Well written and explained the whole expedition in adequate detail.

This just makes me go pack my bags and head Pattaya.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2023641]I had to read this twice, because a light bulb went off in my head. This was a very smart move on your part. It weeds out those who are not just starfish, but just doing the bare minimum in the bedroom. It was also smart because you only had 4 days, and also no need to be chasing women like it was a date.[/QUOTE]I had to read this twice. At first I thought "weeding out the not starfish girls"? WTF? LOL Agreed that girls more interested in drinks than a fuck is not a good thing, however does not guarantee to weed out the poor fucks. Should improve the odds. Some bars are lecturing girls to do their job and sell a few drinks before they get BFed, some bars even have rules for it. Girls may have drinks quotas to make to avoid losing significant parts of the monthly salary in fines. Girls with no salary don't care so much perhaps.

Many girls can be significantly better more passionate fucks after 2 or 3 drinks, if have not as yet consumed any alcohol. Go to the bar when the girls have already had a few can be the cheap option. So 2 or 3 drinks can repair a semi starfish in to a horny girl. Have seen it with some pretty girls taken more than one time, or maybe the girl got used to being a bargirl, or was her horny time of month. Easy to assume we know exactly the reason.

I think it is safer to conclude that he just did not want to waste time and money with the girls. However sure, avoid girls not very interested to be barfined. There are bargirls that don't want to fuck me at all. They may take a perceived very easy customer. So it definitely is better I don't try to change their minds if they are not keen.

At CH bar, I was once calling over Kratae, a hot girl looking a bit like Rihanna. When I mentioned the possibility to barfine her, she indicated she would prefer to go to a disco (rather than go fuck one assumes). She did not explain if was her period, or what was the reason. A pity. Could have heard gossip from her friend Oom who likes fucking me. She soon flitted off to another customer even I had bought her a drink, to get a drink from someone else, and never returned. Fair enough, no reason for me to ever show interest in her again. You expect some sort of benefit from buying the girl a drink, some reasonable bit of time. A bullshit type of self centred girl! In recent times, she has put on weight a bit and was lacking customers. So Kratae comes along sucking up for a drink while Oom is sitting on my lap. No thanks! She did not do the right thing previously. No second chance. Girls have to learn to be moderately fair with the customer, and his needs, not just follow personal whims, and try to sell the most possible drinks.

Has to be a balance between self centred, doing duty for the bar, and keeping the customers happy, so the customer does not just leave straight away. If one girl pi-sses me off, I don't necessarily write off the whole establishment. However I certainly understand the guy moving on if the girls he liked, did not show any BF interest.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2023602]A girl does not have to be behaving well "over the top" to be good on the bed, [/QUOTE]An empty wagon makes the most noise.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2023585]Best VFM picks Simon complex.[/QUOTE]Great reports as everyone has said. I think a lot of guys are sleeping on Simon. That place has some great freaking girls. On some occasions I will get a chick out of the disco and later on she tells me that she works at Simon.

Last month I was walking through iBar and a girl snatched me and made me sit down and put a drink in my hand. Her and her friend had a bottle and they were partying. Come to find out she has been working at one of the boxing ring bars for 2 weeks. I had a couple of her drinks then I left and went home. These days it seems that a lot of girls in the clubs are only there to party and my days of waiting until 6 am to see if they are still sober enough to fuck have passed. So I took her number for a later date.

I am surprised you choose Kiss over Robins Nest. To me Robins Nest has some of the best breakfast in Pattaya, while Kiss is pretty much too greasy everything except for the steamed fish.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2023771]Great reports as everyone has said. I think a lot of guys are sleeping on Simon. That place has some great freaking girls. On some occasions I will get a chick out of the disco and later on she tells me that she works at Simon.

Last month I was walking through iBar and a girl snatched me and made me sit down and put a drink in my hand. Her and her friend had a bottle and they were partying. Come to find out she has been working at one of the boxing ring bars for 2 weeks. I had a couple of her drinks then I left and went home. These days it seems that a lot of girls in the clubs are only there to party and my days of waiting until 6 am to see if they are still sober enough to fuck have passed. So I took her number for a later date.

I am surprised you choose Kiss over Robins Nest. To me Robins Nest has some of the best breakfast in Pattaya, while Kiss is pretty much too greasy everything except for the steamed fish.[/QUOTE]Judging from her photos, she would have gone with you if you had of asked her straight. She looks like a handful though. I bet a great time in the sack.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2023590]Day 5 16 Apr.
Then headed to Soi 6 for one last hurrah before catching a flight back to Singapore [/QUOTE]Very nice and detailed FR Blanqui. I ought to visit LOS once in Songkran for sure in future. Have consciously avoided till now.

Thanks so much for the fun read.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2023586]so I handed her 2000 plus 200 in tips [/QUOTE]Was the 2000 for the Papagayo girl a negotiated rate for LT or was that what you just handed her. I thought Papagayo girls charged more? I'm pretty sure I was quoted more than 800 BF too but that was a long time ago.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2023588]
Paradise was nothing like the pics you see on Facebook. A lot of girls in their late 20's or early 30's. Did not stay for more than a drink.[/QUOTE]My exact sentiments about Paradise. All the other bars use legit photos of girls but somehow Paradise has decided not to follow the norm. I have yet to see some of the hot ones in their photos actually in the bar.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2023590]The connections created this time will keep me motivated till my next visit when I will find a completely new bunch of chicks to keep the cycle going. Adios![/QUOTE]The best thing about Thailand. Every day or two you meet someone new and special, seemingly better than the last.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2023602] Quite useful for a potential Pattaya newbie like me. Maybe I can impose on Banana Boi to show me a few things in Pattaya too.[/QUOTE]Wait til I get back. I'm sure another month after 20 years is doable. I'll be back after my Germany tour until the end of May.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2023771] I think a lot of guys are sleeping on Simon. That place has some great freaking girls. [/QUOTE]Is Simon Complex the complex across from G-Spot and Sugar Baby? If so I agree it truly has some gems at times. I was blown away the first time I walked through it thinking what a moron I was not to have walked in there before. So many bars and so many girls. I Line'd some ISG members immediately telling them they had to check this area out. Agree with you that guys on ISG are asleep not checking it out. I have mentioned it before but not as Simon Complex.

The girl in the pics looks like a crazy girl Walking Street regular I know named Namfon.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2023771]Great reports as everyone has said. I think a lot of guys are sleeping on Simon. That place has some great freaking girls. On some occasions I will get a chick out of the disco and later on she tells me that she works at Simon.

Last month I was walking through iBar and a girl snatched me and made me sit down and put a drink in my hand. Her and her friend had a bottle and they were partying. Come to find out she has been working at one of the boxing ring bars for 2 weeks. I had a couple of her drinks then I left and went home. These days it seems that a lot of girls in the clubs are only there to party and my days of waiting until 6 am to see if they are still sober enough to fuck have passed. So I took her number for a later date.

I am surprised you choose Kiss over Robins Nest. To me Robins Nest has some of the best breakfast in Pattaya, while Kiss is pretty much too greasy everything except for the steamed fish.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mr E. I have reported on Simon Complex in the past too. For me it has been the go to place for LT picks. There are always a few gems who are not yet hardened and can give you excellent GFE. To top it the prices are still under control. And if the girl decides to run (which has never happened) you can go back to the bar you picked her from and have a word with the mamasan. While you may not get your money back, you might get a barfine free on the next pick from there. Sort of a credit note.

As for my dining choices, it is probably because while I am in Thailand, I do not touch Western food. Strictly Thai food, that too steamed, grilled or stir fried at best.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2023820]Very nice and detailed FR Blanqui. I ought to visit LOS once in Songkran for sure in future. Have consciously avoided till now.[/QUOTE]Thanks Illusion. You certainly must visit. But do watch the numerous videos on Youtube. It is not for the faint hearted. Definitely not for someone who hates getting wet every 20 meters by some random chick or guy throwing water at you with a wide grin on their faces.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2023890]Was the 2000 for the Papagayo girl a negotiated rate for LT or was that what you just handed her. I thought Papagayo girls charged more? I'm pretty sure I was quoted more than 800 BF too but that was a long time ago.[/QUOTE]There was no discussion of money. At the bar the girl said "Up to you what you give me" for the ST. Later I asked her to stay back for LT and again there was no discussion about money. So I gave her what I thought was a just amount. And she did not sound upset when she said "You come see me again tonight na ka?" 5555.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2023890]My exact sentiments about Paradise. All the other bars use legit photos of girls but somehow Paradise has decided not to follow the norm. I have yet to see some of the hot ones in their photos actually in the bar.[/QUOTE]I am not sure about legit photos being posted by other bars. Frankly, as I mentioned the overall GOGO scene this time for me was quite disappointing. Sure, every GOGO might have one or two hotties but you don't go to a GOGO to find a needle in a haystack. You expect to visit the needle factory.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2023890]The best thing about Thailand. Every day or two you meet someone new and special, seemingly better than the last.[/QUOTE]You said it. Perhaps this is what has kept me coming back for nearly 2 decades now.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2023890]Is Simon Complex the complex across from G-Spot and Sugar Baby? If so I agree it truly has some gems at times. I was blown away the first time I walked through it thinking what a moron I was not to have walked in there before. So many bars and so many girls. I Line'd some ISG members immediately telling them they had to check this area out. Agree with you that guys on ISG are asleep not checking it out. I have mentioned it before but not as Simon Complex.[/QUOTE]Actually there are two Simon Complexes on Walking Street. Your coordinates are correct for the first complex. The second one is further up the street and across from Endorphin, just before the fancy Nang Nual restaurant. The latter complex is better suited if you want to play some pool.

[QUOTE=Metalkid1;2023667]I loved this report.

Very Well written and explained the whole expedition in adequate detail.

This just makes me go pack my bags and head Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I am glad you enjoyed it. What are you waiting for? Book that flight now!

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2023641]I had to read this twice, because a light bulb went off in my head. This was a very smart move on your part. It weeds out those who are not just starfish, but just doing the bare minimum in the bedroom. It was also smart because you only had 4 days, and also no need to be chasing women like it was a date.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the complement, but I really do not think my move helps weed out starfish. That is something one cannot tell for sure until you actually get into the act. If the girls had said "yes we will go right after the drinks" I might have acceded to that offer. There was was no commitment to barfine, but they wanted drinks. And they probably used "Playing Songkran" as the lame excuse. To me that is highway robbery.

To highlight the "starfish" point, further on in the FR I have described an encounter with a very reserved and quiet girl. All indications pointed towards her being a starfish, yet I took the chance and was richly rewarded.

In conclusion, you can NEVER tell if a girl will be a starfish or not till you get into the act. I have heard stories of solid performers turn into starfish with the same customer on repeat business. It is like a box of chocolates at best.

One last thing. Even if I was living in Thailand I would not chase a woman. There are just too many alternatives to be stuck on one girl.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2023602]I think this demonstrates something important. A girl does not have to be behaving well "over the top" to be good on the bed, after inhibitions relaxed somewhat by a few drinks[/QUOTE]It is the luck of the draw at best, no way to be 100% certain.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2023602]Thanks for all the report details. Quite useful for a potential Pattaya newbie like me. Maybe I can impose on Banana Boi to show me a few things in Pattaya too.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words. Someone approaching 10000 posts, knows how to read and speak Thai cannot be defined as a noob anywhere in Thailand. 5555.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2023588]Day 3 14 Apr.


Last stop at Wildcats following a review by a fellow BM. And he was right. You can spot the girl he described in a heartbeat because she was the only one worth noticing. Strange, because the bar was not empty. Quite a few patrons has their hands full (literally) with other girls. I called this chick over from the stage and got her a drink and discussed business right away. 800 for barfine and 1500 for her. I finished my drink and went off with her. And she was really worth the time and money spent hunting for the right one..[/QUOTE]Great reports mate, you're completely right about the girl from Wildcats. She shone out like a beacon and was pretty much the only girl there worth taking any notice of. Glad you had more luck with her than me.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2023933]It is the luck of the draw at best, no way to be 100% certain.

Thanks for the kind words. Someone approaching 10000 posts, knows how to read and speak Thai cannot be defined as a noob anywhere in Thailand. 5555.[/QUOTE]Firstly, loved the reports. Took me back there and gave me some new places to hunt. I will be back there in late May so will check out Simon Complex.

Agree with the luck of the draw. You never know but sometimes the unknown can be a real surprise. My last trip to Pattaya (see my FR) I barfined a girl who I was unsure of. Thought I made a mistake but she turned out to be a gem.

The tour is always fraught with the ones that run or poorly perform after promising so much. It goes with playing the game. As I have got older I have learnt to appreciate the gems more and forget the duds quickly. Can I pick a performer over a dud? Not really. It still comes down to chemistry I believe. It it clicks it clicks and when it does it reminds us of why we love the hobby!

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2023927] as I mentioned the overall GOGO scene this time for me was quite disappointing. Sure, every GOGO might have one or two hotties but you don't go to a GOGO to find a needle in a haystack. You expect to visit the needle factory.[/QUOTE]The 2 clubs for my tastes that you can walk in and the majority of the girls are hot would be Sensations and Baccara. Depending on your tastes, some guys may prefer Sapphire, What's Up, Happy, and Iron. For an overall combination of a fun atmosphere and decent girls it would be Ninja in LK Metro, Fahrenheit, and Sapphire. For pure guaranteed raunchy fun and looks don't matter as much it would be Windmill and Wildcats.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2024096]The 2 clubs for my tastes that you can walk in and the majority of the girls are hot would be Sensations and Baccara. Depending on your tastes, some guys may prefer Sapphire, What's Up, Happy, and Iron. For an overall combination of a fun atmosphere and decent girls it would be Ninja in LK Metro, Fahrenheit, and Sapphire. For pure guaranteed raunchy fun and looks don't matter as much it would be Windmill and Wildcats.[/QUOTE]Except for Baccara, I would agree with you on the "zoning" of GOGO bars. There was a time I loved that place but not anymore.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2023932]Thanks for the complement, but I really do not think my move helps weed out starfish. That is something one cannot tell for sure until you actually get into the act. If the girls had said "yes we will go right after the drinks" I might have acceded to that offer. There was was no commitment to barfine, but they wanted drinks. And they probably used "Playing Songkran" as the lame excuse. To me that is highway robbery.

To highlight the "starfish" point, further on in the FR I have described an encounter with a very reserved and quiet girl. All indications pointed towards her being a starfish, yet I took the chance and was richly rewarded.

In conclusion, you can NEVER tell if a girl will be a starfish or not till you get into the act. I have heard stories of solid performers turn into starfish with the same customer on repeat business. It is like a box of chocolates at best.

One last thing. Even if I was living in Thailand I would not chase a woman. There are just too many alternatives to be stuck on one girl.[/QUOTE]I have seen girls give satisfactory performance the initial session in Tijuana and then tone it down the second rendezvous hinting that she doesn't want to do future business. My second fave working girl "punished" me for not hiring her for 6 mos. By giving a dud performance even though the first 13 sessions were hot. Which is a record for me for the same provider to give 13 consecutive hot performances.

Anyone had experience hiring a girl for a week or a few days?

Hi all,

Newbie to the site, but not newbie to the scene! Been to Thailand many times but not for a good while but now got the opportunity to do so.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2024587]Anyone had experience hiring a girl for a week or a few days?[/QUOTE]I did this a few times, first time learnt the lesson to get the right girl, and second time did it right with the right girl. Therefore my advise would be choose carefully if you do go down this route! But, also you can find yourself with someone who does not float your boat after a couple of days and then getting rid is sometimes a task in itself!

Has anyone spent time with Aon mostly spends her time in 808 and Flex. Has a very large flower tattoo on her back.

A two month old report.

I had booked Fay in advance for 2 Hrs since it was high season. You have to make an advance payment of 1000 bucks for that. After reaching the hotel around 11, got freshen up and she was in room by 2:30. I assume I was the first customer of the day.

A pretty nice lady with amazing BJ skills. Her ball licking skills are very rare to find.

We showered together where she cleaned almost every part of the body by herself, straight to bed and BBBJ starts. In 5 minutes I was about to come when stopped her, put the rubber on and she insisted to go for Anal. Alright lady I'm ready, I finished the load in about 10-15 minutes.

We rested for 20 minutes before going for another round. This time she licked my balls like a nice honest pet (sorry couldn't find a better word to express), continued for 10 minutes and put the rubber on. This time also she insisted for Anal sex, upon asking for vaginal sex she avoided it saying you like my Ass I know. No doubt I liked it thus continued for 15-20 minutes before finishing inside her asshole. It was 1.5 hrs and I wanted another round but let it go to accumulate energy for the night.

All in all she is a great lady and in that matter DD is a great customer centric organization, would love to take their service once again. She is ready for all kind of fantasies you have except deep throat and laughs a lot once become familiar, typical Thai lady.

P.S- Cory was on vacation but now back on board in case anybody want to try a nice PSE with her.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2024587]Anyone had experience hiring a girl for a week or a few days?[/QUOTE]Best is to try her for an extended LT like evening, mfuol night and part of daytime to check the chemistry.

Be prepared to extra side expenses, like shopping.

Do all the business talks before so it is all set in stone (oh well, TIT, don't forget) and you don't need to bother on the deal details en course.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2024587]Anyone had experience hiring a girl for a week or a few days?[/QUOTE]Can you imagine yourself eating corned beef everyday for breakfast, lunch and dinner? If yes, then go ahead. If no think again.

Trust me, you will get tired of any girl who is renting pussy in 2 days. Because you cannot fuck 24 hours a day. You need conversation in between the times you fuck. And unless you speak fluent Thai and share common interests that is unlikely to happen. So you will get bored, or she will. If she gets bored then you will find yourself stuck with a bag of rocks to carry around. Eventually, after 2 or 3 days you will regret the idea of renting for a week.

The wiser thing to do is to go from ST to LT to extended LT and then get a new one. With all the pussy around for distraction its hard to maintain focus on one chick.

Day one: Had quite the time trying to get to Pattaya (check Bangkok section), but once I arrived and was able to check in, things went smoothly. Stayed at the W14 on Soi 14 near Walking Street. Nice, modern and new hotel a stone's throw from Walking Street. Showered, changed and then walked up to 2nd street to exchange some currency. Saw the TT Exchange was offering the best rates. Turned $500 USD into around 17,000 baht (asked for my passport but when I said I didn't have it they still changed my currency). Went to Central and put 500 baht onto a card and grabbed lunch. Went to a tailor and got fitted for a couple suits and shirts. Massage on the same street. During the massage the girl offered HJ, but I just wanted a massage so I declined. Went back to my hotel, changed and barhopped along Walking Street. Forgot the name of the bar, but it was one of the big ones (Lighthouse?) Saw a beautiful girl (slim, 20's, great fake boobs, cute face, pale skin) and immediately asked her to sit. She ordered a drink and downed it. Usually that's a bad sign, but she was so hot I decided to barfine her anyways (3000 for short time = 1 hour ish). Her body did not disappoint, amazing body and she was willing to please. Condom popped and she got upset. During the shower I left my money in the bathroom. She went to the bathroom to wash and came out saying she was leaving. Since the mood was killed, I said fine. Later I realized she took 1000 baht. Luckily it was only 1000 baht, I had left about 8000 baht in my pocket.

Day Two: Changed more currency (paid a cash deposit for the suits and I like to have at least 10,000 baht for daily spending) Went to Soi 6 and picked a daytime girl for short time (around 2000 baht including drinks and room). Again, I don't remember the name of the bar but it was close to 2nd Road. Girl was dark skinned (not usually my thing and had a baby, again not my thing, but she looked very thin and cute with her clothes on.) When her top came off, she had one giant, droopy boob with a huge nipple and one small boob) She did her best, but I didn't finish. Gave her a couple hundred baht tip and went to get a soapy. Stopped off at the tailor for my first fitting. Walked to McDonald's for dinner then to Honey 2. The prices were really high and the girls weren't that great (4400 down to 2400 ish). Went across the street to Sabai Room (2500 ish), after Honey 2, I decided that was a good deal. Picked a hot short, petite girl with big fake boobs. She didn't disappoint in the room. Amazing body. Usual wash, slide and service. Tipped a couple hundred baht and went back to my hotel. When I got back to my hotel, I realized I lost the food card for Central and my room key (couple hundred baht on the card gone and 200 baht fine for a new key).

Day Three: Changed more currency and back to Soi 6. There were a cluster of bars around Night Shift? Where all the girls were young, cute and very playful. Picked a 20 something girl who said she'd been in Pattaya for a week for short time. She did all the rights things during the drink interview, rubbing, grinding and didn't bother me for extra drinks. Upstairs she stripped down and washed me. Great tits and slim body. Only ding was she had messed up teeth, smoker's breath and a so so face (tits made up for it). She said she was shy so she turned off the lights. No windows so it was pitch black, kinda creepy. Tipped a couple hundred baht, but she seemed upset. Didn't really say bye and didn't talk with me much after. Back to the tailor for another fitting and then walked back to my hotel along Beach Road to check out the freelancers. Saw a few that had potential but decided to bar hop along Walking Street instead. Jet lag and Thai whiskey caught up with me so I grabbed some street noodles and went back to my hotel. Passed out without touching the noodles.

Day Four: Woke up hoping the noodles from the night before would still be good. Darn ants got to the noodles and I ended up having to toss the noodles out the window and killing as many ants as possible. Changed more currency and called an Uber to take me to Club 4. It was a downer. 4 to 5 daytime bars with 4 to 5 girls each. Most of the girls were 30+ (I'm just shy of 40, so paying for girls I could pick up on my own free isn't my thing). Since I'd already made the trip out there I decided to pick one with a nice body and hope for the best (1000 baht for BJ). Okay BJ, but she ended up finishing me with a HJ. She really put a lot of effort so I tipped 1000 baht, seemed like that made her day and then I called another Uber to take me back to my hotel. Bar hopped along Walking Street and called it a night.

Day Five: You guessed it, changed more currency and then tried Soi 13. Didn't see anything that caught my interest so I went to Soi 6. Saw the girl with the lopsided boobs, gave her a smile and kept walking. Near NightShift? A girl jumped on me, nearly getting run over by a motorbike in the process. I figured she earned a drink for that. When I actually took a hard look, I realized it was the same girl from the other day. I was surprised since when I left her she was ice cold, almost angry. Bought her a couple drinks, she went through the motions of rubbing and grinding again. This time she wanted to go long time though (3000), not really my thing. I like to sleep alone and I'm not much of a talker so after about 2 hours it just gets boring. Figured I might as well try it and she wasn't a bad lay so I said okay, but that I would barfine her and come back since I had another fitting at the tailor. Paid the barfine and left. When I thought I was out of her view, I dipped into another bar and grabbed some more drinks then went to Sabai Room for another soapy (2500 ish). The host was recommending a girl, but I went with my own choice. She wasn't that great, looked older up close and only had a so so body. Maybe it was regret and curiosity of the other girl that biased my experience with her. Usual routine, wash, slide and service. Tipped a couple hundred baht, went to the tailor and then back to Soi 6 to pick up the girl. I was wondering if she squeezed in some more flirting (kissing, groping, and grinding), maybe even a short time, while I was gone for 4 hours? She changed into a tight red dress, left her super bar girl makeup on, and we headed to beach road to grab the baht bus. It was a little awkward sitting there with her and families with children. Showered and did the deed, this time with the lights on. Gave her a tank top, which she turned into a dress and a shirt (looked really nice on her) instead of the tight red dress. Headed back to Walking Street for dinner. Went to a seafood place, she tried to order 6000 baht worth of seafood, I told her "NO WAY" so she ordered Alaskan Crab and a seafood salad for 3500 baht. I ordered sweet and sour pork for 300 baht (I don't eat seafood). She Facebook lived eating her dinner. Very annoying. Bar hopped along Walking Street and then back to my hotel. She wasn't feeling good (diarrhea?) so I decided to pass on round 2.

Day Six: Woke up and went for Round 2. Guess she chipped her tooth eating the crab the night before (HAHA). Said it would cost 1000 baht to fill in. Tipped her 500 baht. Then she kinda demanded I take her to breakfast. Breakfast was included with my room, but she said she wanted to eat somewhere else so we walked up to 2nd Road and found a Thai / Chinese restaurant. I was hoping after breakfast we'd be done, but during the meal she flagged down a motorbike taxi to take us to a dentist. There was a dentist across from the restaurant but the motorbike driver told her he knew a better one (Sure ). Took us up the street and I had to pay 100 baht for the ride. Waited 30 minutes for her to see the dentist and then another 30 minutes for her to fix her tooth. She paid the dentist and then we walked back towards my hotel. She picked up some fruits and snacks along the way with her own money. She was still wearing my shirt and tank top and I felt bad that she would have to do the walk of shame in a tight red dress so I gave her the tank top to cover the dress. It started to rain as well so I also gave her my umbrella (cheap one I picked up in the Philippines). She asked if I would barfine her for the day again, I told her no, nicely. She seemed disappointed, but I can't know for sure. She was a nice girl but way to "unpolished" for me. Changed more cash, foot massage (Amazing, wish I'd tried it before, something about the pressure points in your foot puts you right to sleep) and then back to the tailor to pick up my suits. Based on my requests, the waist was too loose and the shirt sleeves too short. Luckily they offer free alterations, so I decided to get them fixed on my next trip, since I was leaving the next day and didn't want to take a late bus back to Bangkok. The tailor was nice enough to drop off my suits and I went to Walking Street for one last night in Pattaya. Barhopped for a while, running into girls I'd had drinks with during the week. Lots of groping but I didn't see anyone I wanted for my last night. Ran into the girl from my first night. The waitress recognized me and tried to bring her over, I told her NO thanks. On the nights I barhopped I bought a lot of waitress and mama drinks so I was getting mobbed by waitresses expecting more drinks. Note to self: stop doing this. Got dragged into Fahrenheit by the door girls (chubby older girl and a skinny older girl). The chubby older girl kept demanding 100 baht for dragging me into the bar. Then she took my glasses and refused to give them back unless I gave her 100 baht. Joke was on her since I can see pretty well without them and the glasses were around $7 USD so I refused to give in. After about 20 minutes she finally just gave them back. By this time, a cute girl caught my eye and I bought her a drink then decided to barfine (3000 for short time = hours). If the chubby girl had been nice, I would've tipped her on my way out for helping me find my date for the night. But she was so mean about everything that she almost ruined my night. The girl asked if we could stop off at her old bar for a drink. I said sure (Mistake). The mama at her old bar? Was celebrating a birthday so there were 12 shots of tequila and whisky getting passed around. They wanted to play rock, paper, scissors for shots. My girl lost a lot and she didn't seem like a very strong drinker in the first place (at Fahrenheit she almost threw up after taking one tequila shot). I took a couple shots as well. Luckily the shots weren't on my tab. Unfortunately, the shots made my girl angry and sloppy. On the way back to my hotel I stopped to buy some of those CD's with the club music (it had grown on me and I wanted to give them away as gifts to torment my friends). Next to the CD stand was a lady selling shoes / sandals. My girl demanded I buy her sandals. I said no, even though they were only 200 baht. It was just the way she asked, just assuming I would pay and then telling me to pay. She only had 80 baht on her and she kept demanding I buy them for her. Rather than ruin my last night over 120 baht, I decided to just buy them. Got back to my room, she showered / puked / took a nap in the bathroom. No BJ because she had braces. She wouldn't get on top because she was drunk and tired. She pretty much just laid there, trying to sleep, while I did what I could do. Finally offered to kick her loose if she let me take some sexy photos for the spank bank. She said okay and I sent her on her way.

Day Seven: Woke up early and decided to try the breakfast included with my room. It was apparently at the hotel next door (the materials in the room all said Grand Hotel, so I assumed the two were connected). Breakfast wasn't good. Bacon, egg, cereal, rice and some Thai dishes. Not many options. Funny thing was there was a girl passed out in the lobby. Guess her "date" had kicked her out or she tried to leave and didn't make it. Since hotel guests were starting to come down, the bell guys picked her up and moved her to a place out of sight. Made me wonder if my girl had made it home. Checked out of my room and grabbed the Bell Bus back to Bangkok (400 Baht).

Last report for this trip will be back in the Bangkok section.

Flak3, thanks for your report. Nice read. Sounds like you had a much better time in Pattaya than Bangkok. Yes, stop buying mamasans and waitresses drinks. It serves no purpose unless you want to date one of them. The soi 6 bar is Night Wish and Toy Box is beside it. You will find photos of the girls you went with on their Facebook pages. 3500 baht for the girl's meal? WTF. You certainly are generous. She did Facebook live because she's showing off someone bought her a crab. Try not tipping 1000 baht to a girl. It really ruins it for the rest of us. I know you only did it once. FYI there should not be ants in any decent hotels.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2024700]Best is to try her for an extended LT like evening, mfuol night and part of daytime to check the chemistry.

Be prepared to extra side expenses, like shopping.

Do all the business talks before so it is all set in stone (oh well, TIT, don't forget) and you don't need to bother on the deal details en course.[/QUOTE]I agree absolutely. A guy should not book a girl for several days, unless have had very significant experience with her over time, like more than one all night booking, and possibly some dates to take her to dinner or other entertainment.

Once you know the two of you get on fabulously, and have a great fun time together every time, and you are so hooked on her, you can't think about other girls, then sure a several day booking can be great fun. I once took a Tulip girl to Krabi and Phi Phi Island. So enjoyable. Not the only such extended date. Have taken Soapy girls away on holidays more than once when travelling around Thailand. Always was fun when girl is known for significant time. Make sure the two of you communicate well. Make sure you reach an understanding of how much money she needs to be paid per day, if working on a time basis. Wasn't always easy to get the girl to state exactly how much she thinks is fair. Some were shy. The Tulip girl unbelievably said "Up to You", probably thinking I would over pay LOL. However you still need to know what amount is going to make her happy, and what amount is going to be a "pissed off" result.

Be careful not to fall in love with the girl though. LOL.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2024807]Can you imagine yourself eating corned beef everyday for breakfast, lunch and dinner? If yes, then go ahead. If no think again.

Trust me, you will get tired of any girl who is renting pussy in 2 days. Because you cannot fuck 24 hours a day. You need conversation in between the times you fuck. And unless you speak fluent Thai and share common interests that is unlikely to happen. So you will get bored, or she will. If she gets bored then you will find yourself stuck with a bag of rocks to carry around. Eventually, after 2 or 3 days you will regret the idea of renting for a week.

The wiser thing to do is to go from ST to LT to extended LT and then get a new one. With all the pussy around for distraction its hard to maintain focus on one chick.[/QUOTE]OK fair enough.

[QUOTE=Flak3;2024908]Day one: Turned $500 USD into around 17,000 baht

Day Two: Changed more currency

Day Three: Changed more currency

Day Four: Changed more currency

Day Five: You guessed it, changed more currency

Day Six: Changed more cash, [/QUOTE]Flak you are the man! The man they call Jai Dee in Thailand. Meaning Big Heart.

Live it up mate, don't pay heed to the price police. It is your money and it is your holiday. Do what you please. Contrary to BB's opinion, one monger over-tipping won't transform the market.

Flak definitely made rookie mistakes. I don't recall if this is his first LOS visit. The greedy girl raised red flags during the first encounter. As a friend, do not let the girls [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] your pockets. If you want to spend big you might as well stick with 8-10 hotties in WS gogos. 3 k is a lot for marginal Soi 6 girls. With your habits and mindsets it is good your trip is a merciful 6 days before you get into trouble. You might as well enjoy since you invested in airfare and lodging. Your errors make me determine to limit a lady I previously sessioned who works on Soi 6, but met in a Disco to 3 lady drinks. BTW I think the restaurant on beach Road / Soi 6 corner sucks. Definitely too greasy with loads of onions in the rice. I've heard of intoxicated guys wanting to fight their buddies when they cross the 17,000 baht line in a disco and wake up lamenting they wished they had heeded the warning the previous night once the girl has left them high and dry until the money train starts again.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2025061] Contrary to BB's opinion, one monger over-tipping won't transform the market.[/QUOTE]Same was likely being said a couple years ago when the first Japanese guys started paying gogo girls 3,000ST and 5,000 LT. Now it's the normal price.

I'm a tipper myself likely more than most guys.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2025061]Flak you are the man! The man they call Jai Dee in Thailand. Meaning Big Heart.

Live it up mate, don't pay heed to the price police. It is your money and it is your holiday. Do what you please. Contrary to BB's opinion, one monger over-tipping won't transform the market.[/QUOTE]Agreed. A few over tippers can not cause a wave in the market place. The only difference it makes is in life of the recipient.

If the theory was true, then the few cheap Charlie could drastically lower the market.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2025250]Same was likely being said a couple years ago when the first Japanese guys started paying gogo girls 3,000ST and 5,000 LT. Now it's the normal price.

I'm a tipper myself likely more than most guys.[/QUOTE]Interesting reading about what to pay or not pay. The world works on the principle that something is only worth what someone is willing to pay AND someone is willing to sell for. The girls are selling and if punters are willing to pay more then that is what the price is. I have travelled to many asian cities where the prices are extreme for sex compared to say Thailand. Punters there pay because that is what the girls sell for. What a punter pays for sex is up to him. The girls can also take or leave our offers. Market forces in play. Sometimes we pay less and get great service and sometimes we pay more and get duds. We all want value for money but rarely in the mongering game is that truly defined because we all have different needs. Any deal must always be a win win for it to be of real value to bith parties.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2025250]Same was likely being said a couple years ago when the first Japanese guys started paying gogo girls 3,000ST and 5,000 LT. Now it's the normal price.

I'm a tipper myself likely more than most guys.[/QUOTE]Are we really comparing ONE guy overtipping with an entire visitor base from a country consistently throwing money around? The J / K patrons have always been paying more, not just 3 yeas back. Its just that over the last 3-5 years they have started to arrive in numbers that has made the bar owners and mamasans sit up and take notice and react with a floor price.

Furthermore the segment we are referring is vastly different from the specimen that was tipped 1000. Those worlds will never collide.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2025256]The only difference it makes is in life of the recipient.[/QUOTE]And if the recipient knows her worth, then she would also know that this was the day she won the state lottery. It won't happen every day. I doubt she would even mention it to her friends as they might simply laugh it off.

It's for moments like these the expression "once in a blue moon" was invented.

Flak3 I'm enjoying your posts and I have no criticism of the lessons that you are learning. I do wince at some of the costs but only in the sense that I feel bad for you. I also realize that it can be a steep learning curve on a new playground. Members will always advise to RTFF and I do not disagree. What is true about that though is the TFF is now a mature beast and a best practice from years gone by of listing the price of an encounter in every report is not always adhered to. Actual reports like yours are harder to find too. As a local sexpat, here is an exchange that I had about pricing. The ladies keep tuned in to price structure and if they work in a bar they have a "set price" based on that fact. This story happened in BKK in a dive bar where I sometimes play pool. If I'm having a good time with the lady over drinks and pool I might agree to take out. She said she needed 2,000 baht for ST. Meanwhile she has set aside the fact that she looks like someone pulled from the Beer Garden. Older and not as attractive as the average BJ bar worker. So I reign her in, humorously (I hope) asking her if she is a gogo dancer and if not then why the 2,000 price. Anyway she does agree to 1,000 and in the end we are both happy. She was a really good fuck in spite of being past what most would consider her expiration date. She probably does not get taken out very often. It's not that she was ugly, it's just that she was 36 not 22. Anyway, now you know, a 1000 baht tip in Pattaya will buy you a good ST on BR and from beer bar girls (plus the bar fine of course).

So I have been reading a ton, watching YouTube videos and trying to sponge up as much intel as possible. A few things I have not come across in my reading so far though:

- What is a coyote girl? Lady boy in a normal bar? Or a really hot one to lure guys in that you can't actually get your hands on?

- Hooters girls, I know they are not supposed to hook up with customers but I am sure some will do it on the sly. Anyone had luck slipping one your contact info? Seems to be some really tasty choices there.

- Ping pong show girls ever available for fun? Seems someone with that kind of muscle control has to be worth trying even if the looks aren't quite there.

- The girls out front trying to get guys in bars are all bait and switch or if you see one you really like can you take her in for a drink and see if you like her?

My take so far is the top end girls work the gogos but generally don't seem worth the effort unless all you care about is looks, beer bars are good choice to get your feet wet if you find a cute girl as you have someone to complain to if it's shit and discos are the best bang for the buck as far as looks / price go if you have the confidence to get after what you want. To be clear I intend to try them all once at least just to be thorough in my research but I'm trying to develop a general rule of thumb. From the sound of it online hunting is not worth the effort so I will skip that one for this trip at least.

Thanks for all the great info here and I appreciate not having to learn everything the hard way.

[QUOTE=Cool;2025135]Flak definitely made rookie mistakes. I don't recall if this is his first LOS visit. The greedy girl raised red flags during the first encounter.[/QUOTE]Advice for the Rookies:

The girls always chat you up to size you up. Stuff like [I]is it your first trip to Thailand?[/I] and [I]how long are your staying?[/I] NEVER admit it is your first (or second) time in Thailand, and always say you are in town for 30 days and not just 3 days. Don't set yourself up as a mark.

Paying above the going rate (or spending whatever is in your pocket) does not make you a generous man in the eyes of the ladies. It makes you a chump who does not know the local prices. They actually look down on you for it. Best practice is: pay the going rate, and treat them with respect.

SL.

As a general rule, nothing is out of reach in Pattaya for the right price and the right guy.

[QUOTE=Savethe7;2025296]So I have been reading a ton, watching YouTube videos and trying to sponge up as much intel as possible. A few things I have not come across in my reading so far though:[/QUOTE]Really glad you are reading up and coming up with good questions.

[QUOTE=Savethe7;2025296]- What is a coyote girl? Lady boy in a normal bar? Or a really hot one to lure guys in that you can't actually get your hands on?

- Hooters girls, I know they are not supposed to hook up with customers but I am sure some will do it on the sly. Anyone had luck slipping one your contact info? Seems to be some really tasty choices there.

- Ping pong show girls ever available for fun? Seems someone with that kind of muscle control has to be worth trying even if the looks aren't quite there.

- The girls out front trying to get guys in bars are all bait and switch or if you see one you really like can you take her in for a drink and see if you like her?

My take so far is the top end girls work the gogos but generally don't seem worth the effort unless all you care about is looks, beer bars are good choice to get your feet wet if you find a cute girl as you have someone to complain to if it's shit and discos are the best bang for the buck as far as looks / price go if you have the confidence to get after what you want. To be clear I intend to try them all once at least just to be thorough in my research but I'm trying to develop a general rule of thumb. From the sound of it online hunting is not worth the effort so I will skip that one for this trip at least.[/QUOTE]A coyote girl is a girl alright, not a ladyboy. They are usually dressed differently from the rest of the girls. They usually have a higher barfine and asking price but I suspect they would be better in bed to justify the extra buck. Some might refuse to go with a customer, but that is just playing hard to get. A man in an inebriated state twill take refusal personally and end up making some bad decisions about choice and price. That is where these girls come in.

I have chatted online extensively with a couple of chicks working at Hooters and they were fine to meet up on their off day. But then I found so much more talent on ground that I did not bother contacting them again. No prices were discussed. To this end I must point out that one must keep all options open. Do not rule out online. There are some gems to be found there. It can be painstaking to separate the grain from the chaff though.

I have never thought about taking out a ping pong show girl. Now that you mention it my interest is piqued.

The girls outside the GOGO bars are not just bait and switch. If you like one of them, ask for her to come sit with you for a drink. With some navigation she will go out too. I have had some good experiences at Skyfall and Sensations in the past. But lately I have steered clear of GOGO bars.

The general impression (not ill founded) is that a GOGO girl will perform less enthusiastically compared to a freelancer / beer bar girl. But that is empirical. You could find one that totally blows you away. I had reported last year of taking a couple of girls from Iron Club on a trip to Koh Samet and having a wonderful time. The forum has plenty of reports from veterans who swear by their steady GOGO girls. And do not make the mistake of thinking that looks can only be found inside a GOGO bar.

You have not talked about Soi 6. It is something you must visit.

Keep an open mind and as you said try everything before you settle on your poison of choice.

[QUOTE=Savethe7;2025296]So I have been reading a ton, watching YouTube videos and trying to sponge up as much intel as possible. A few things I have not come across in my reading so far though:

My take so far is the top end girls work the gogos but generally don't seem worth the effort unless all you care about is looks, beer bars are good choice to get your feet wet if you find a cute girl as you have someone to complain to if it's shit and discos are the best bang for the buck as far as looks / price go if you have the confidence to get after what you want. To be clear I intend to try them all once at least just to be thorough in my research but I'm trying to develop a general rule of thumb. From the sound of it online hunting is not worth the effort so I will skip that one for this trip at least.

Thanks for all the great info here and I appreciate not having to learn everything the hard way.[/QUOTE]Disco girls come from all walks of life. There are hybrid beach girls, gogo, beer garden, white women, civilians who hit the disco for a good time. The downside to the disco is they have an age rule of 20+. Second girls come with friends who can alter her decisions. Next, some girls only want to party / become too wasted as the night goes on. Discos run until 5 AM to 7 am so you might want to get a massage / BJ beforehand if you go home empty handed. Discos are not always a slam dunk and you are at a disadvantage 3 am. You can turn the lateness into your advantage if a girl wants one last customer for the night because sometimes rates drop. Beware of girls who want to run up drink tabs. A couple round of drinks will put you in the hole 700 baht before the lovely is pointed in the direction of your room. Another warning, recently I noticed discos have a high male to female ratio. The good news is some guys come with dates or are not looking for a bed mate at the moment. I've seen my favorite disco have a 1 :1 ratio at 1 am. I never paid attention to the guy to girl ratio until my friends complain about anything less than 3 girls to a guy.

The problem with paying above market rates with a girl is that if you want to repeat with her she will expect the same amount. Over a decade ago, I once gave a BR girl 700 baht instead of the market rate of 500 baht thinking I would be nice to her, help her out, etc, etc. Then when I tried to take her again several days later she wouldn't budge off the 700 baht. I wanted to stick to the market rate of 500 baht. We didn't get any agreement, so I had to take off.

Taught me a big lesson. These girls don't give a shite about you. You are not their family, just some stupid punter, a walking ATM.

Now, I always pay market rates, and only tip up to 100 baht if they give me a photo. Most overpayers are just insecure chumps IMO.

[QUOTE=Savethe7;2025296]- Hooters girls, I know they are not supposed to hook up with customers but I am sure some will do it on the sly. Anyone had luck slipping one your contact info? Seems to be some really tasty choices there.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure why you feel the need to hook up with a Hooters girls at one of the nation's two Hooters locations, other than to fulfill some fantasy that you haven't accomplished at home. BTW, Thai food is some of the tastiest in the world, and you can eat it breakfast, lunch and dinner. But if you are hooked on the domestic junk, well? Point is, that Hooters should be a rather obscure place to look to pick up a girl in a town that is inundated with women vying for your attention. A waitress from Hooters would be low on most guys list. I expect you will forget about Hooters in short order once you hit the streets.

As someone mentioned, check out Soi 6. If you wear shorts, then I suggest you go commando as I did. Your new friend at the bar might slide her hand up your leg and fiddle about. Then the last thing you will have on your mind is burgers and hot wings. Also try Beach Road and haggle for ST for under 1000 baht. Its like a giant flea market of flesh. You will find some real dolls there (just watch out for the ladyboys. They are very convincing to the inexperienced).

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2025299]Paying above the going rate (or spending whatever is in your pocket) does not make you a generous man in the eyes of the ladies. It makes you a chump who does not know the local prices. They actually look down on you for it. [/QUOTE]Exactly.

[QUOTE=Franga;2025504]The problem with paying above market rates with a girl is that if you want to repeat with her she will expect the same amount. [/QUOTE]Agree. I am always conscious what I pay the girl the first time even if she provided me with amazing service.

[QUOTE=Franga;2025504] only tip up to 100 baht if they give me a photo. Most overpayers are just insecure chumps IMO.[/QUOTE]Agree. I will always tip if I get photos.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2025299]It makes you a chump who does not know the local prices. They actually look down on you for it.[/QUOTE]I never realised a hoe's opinion was that valuable to some people.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2025593]I never realised a hoe's opinion was that valuable to some people.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, you are the king already.

[QUOTE=Franga;2025504]The problem with paying above market rates with a girl is that if you want to repeat with her she will expect the same amount. Over a decade ago, I once gave a BR girl 700 baht instead of the market rate of 500 baht thinking I would be nice to her, help her out, etc, etc. Then when I tried to take her again several days later she wouldn't budge off the 700 baht. I wanted to stick to the market rate of 500 baht. We didn't get any agreement, so I had to take off.[/QUOTE]Absolutely correct. It confuses the girls no end, when I don't always pay the same amount, when I made adjustments based on her effort, the duration, how much hard work was needed to make me cum, etc. And when I can't even remember what I previously paid her.

Also you thought they you were already tipping them good, then another time they will ask for an extra tip on top of that. LOL.

If you buy the mamas an a drink, she will expect one every time she sees you, for no reason whatsoever.

Be careful with setting precedents. Even the freelancer on the street, knew how much I paid a previous free lancer in a similar location a week earlier. They gossip. Of course girls are not all worth exactly the same, same as costs a lot more to rent a Porsche over a Hyundai.

If ever paying a girl extra, it is a good idea to state very clearly that it is a one off bonus that won't be repeated.

I definitely plan on spending the first 4 or 5 days trying all the different areas and styles of places, Hooters gets mentioned a lot so I figure it worth seeing once but if I knew in advance that if I saw a girl I really liked there was no chance of hooking up then I'd skip it as a waste of time.

I'm going over Christmas and New Years so I know it will be super busy so in cheaper places I will probably just bar fine anyone I hit it off with just to avoid getting scooped before I make up my mind. I'm sort of hoping to find one girl I really like that doesn't get annoying to spend a few days with as well, I might take some time out to do some sight seeing, some company and a translator would be nice for that.

[QUOTE=Franga;2025504]The problem with paying above market rates with a girl is that if you want to repeat with her she will expect the same amount. Over a decade ago, I once gave a BR girl 700 baht instead of the market rate of 500 baht thinking I would be nice to her, help her out, etc, etc. Then when I tried to take her again several days later she wouldn't budge off the 700 baht. I wanted to stick to the market rate of 500 baht. We didn't get any agreement, so I had to take off.

Taught me a big lesson. These girls don't give a shite about you. You are not their family, just some stupid punter, a walking ATM.

Now, I always pay market rates, and only tip up to 100 baht if they give me a photo. Most overpayers are just insecure chumps IMO.[/QUOTE]I often wonder about guys like this who have absolutely no respect for women. I for one love this hobby and most of the time, if you show a girl respect and treat her right, she will return it ten fold to you in the bedroom. At least that's been my experience. I could turn the tables on you and say you don't give at rats ass about the girl either and she's only a piece of meat to you. So in the end, she gets her money and you get what you want. So be it.

The only thing you said that makes sense is the part about setting prescedents with the ladies. If you tip them big or be overly generous the first time. They expect the same every time. The best way to overcome this that has always worked for me is to tell the lady a reason why you are paying more. By doing this, the next time you see her and the same situation does not happen again, she won't expect the same. This meathod has never backfired on me before. I've overpaid and underpaid the same girl and never had any complaints. It all evens out in the end.

As for you calling other punters chumps for paying over the so called market rates. It is our business what we pay and not for you to complain about. When I see a girl and she quotes me her rate, I look at her, evaluate her personality and looks. Then I decide if I will pay her price or not. I never counter offer. I agree with her price or walk away. However, 80% of my encounters with bar girls and freelancers happen with no fee discussed for ST or LT. If the lady is from a go go, I will only know the bar fine amount. In the morning I pay her what I think she deserves. The same has been my experience with freelancers except with no barfine.

[QUOTE=Franga;1947102]Here is a list of prices I paid for girls during my one month stay in Pattaya in Sept 2016. I don't do go-go or beer bar girls, just Beach Rd FL's and girls in lower budget massage joints around Soi Buakao mainly.

45 yr massage girl: 1000 baht FS+oilie at Refresh Massage start of Soi Chaiyapoon.

32 yr Beach Rd FL: 700 baht FS. Plus 200 baht ST room at Tipp Plaza.

40 yr massage girl: 1200 baht FS +oilie at Lanna Massage Soi Chaiyapoon (yes, I know I overpaid by 200 baht).

45 yr massage girl: 1000 baht FS +oil massage just off Soi Chaiyapoon.

45 yr massage girl: 500 baht HJ +200 baht Thai massage at Soi 13 massage parlor.

30 yr Beach Rd FL: 1000 baht FS. Plus 200 baht ST room. One of the prettiest on BR.

43 yr Beach Rd FL: 800 baht FS. Plus 120 baht ST room on 2nd Rd.

Surprisingly I ended up with quite a lot of 40 something year old girls And they were all pretty good lays (and of course better attitudes).

The 1000 baht Beach Rd FL's were very pretty and thin. These would not lower their price so I decided to pay up. One couldn't take a cock (and asked for money in advance-but I didn't oblige), but the other loved sex and couldn't get enough.

I took a walk one time along Soi6 and there were so many girls there. Some quite attractive. I have never taken a Soi 6 girl before but I think next trip I will pay up and look for a few gems here as it is hard to find something attractive on Beach Rd and in the low budget massage parlors.

One time I took a walk along Soi Buakao from Soi Diana to Pattaya South Rd and the massage chicks are all pretty old and / or skanky so I didn't partake.[/QUOTE]


So in the future, while you're puddling around Pattaya in your cargo shorts and flip flops with a 700-1000Baht old hage from beach road or hanging out in low budget massage parlours, the rest of us will have young beautiful stunners from the Gogos, discos, Soapies, and oilies with no problem paying. The choice is yours mate.

[QUOTE=Franga;2025504]The problem with paying above market rates with a girl is that if you want to repeat with her she will expect the same amount. Over a decade ago, I once gave a BR girl 700 baht instead of the market rate of 500 baht thinking I would be nice to her, help her out, etc, etc. Then when I tried to take her again several days later she wouldn't budge off the 700 baht. I wanted to stick to the market rate of 500 baht. We didn't get any agreement, so I had to take off.

Taught me a big lesson. These girls don't give a shite about you. You are not their family, just some stupid punter, a walking ATM.

Now, I always pay market rates, and only tip up to 100 baht if they give me a photo. Most overpayers are just insecure chumps IMO.[/QUOTE]

Each to their own is what I say. If some nights I am in the mood for spending money, so be it. If some nights I feel like being more trifty, that works too. I don't worry about such things. I am too busy having fun to care what others think.

If anyone has a problem with whether I over pay or under pay for services, I just chuckle and remember it is they that have the problem. ☺.

[QUOTE=Tiger888;2025622]Don't worry, you are the king already.[/QUOTE]Like I was sayin'. A hoe's opinion don't matter much to me. LOL.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2025753]So in the future, while you're puddling around Pattaya in your cargo shorts and flip flops with a 700-1000Baht old hage from beach road or hanging out in low budget massage parlours, the rest of us will have young beautiful stunners from the Gogos, discos, Soapies, and oilies with no problem paying. The choice is yours mate.[/QUOTE]Effective data mining, incisive analysis and insightful conclusions. Love it.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2025790]Effective data mining, incisive analysis and insightful conclusions. Love it.[/QUOTE]My apologies for kicking off this hot topic debate. I think we should stop worrying about how much some people are spending or not spending and just enjoy the fruits of our spending, whatever that may be. If I may borrow some words from folks much wiser than I:

A wise person should have money in their head, but not in their heart. --Jonathan Swift.

Everyday is a bank account, and time is our currency. No one is rich, no one is poor, we've got 24 hours each. --Christopher Rice.

I love money. I love everything about it. I bought some pretty good stuff. Got me a $300 pair of socks. Got a fur sink. An electric dog polisher. A gasoline powered turtleneck sweater. And, of course, I bought some dumb stuff, too. --Steve Martin.

Wealth is not his that has it, but his that enjoys it. --Benjamin Franklin.

A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore. --Yogi Berra.

Money is a terrible master but an excellent servant. --P. T. Barnum.

Wealth is the ability to fully experience life. --Henry David Thoreau.

We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give. --Winston Churchill.

I took a walk along Beach Road this morning about 11:20.

Some FL's hanging out opposite Mike shopping center.

Mostly older types, spotted one decent spinner, girl.

I was impressed that options were available at the early time.

Went into central and flirted with several retail girls and managed to get line ID's.

I thought I would try my luck and just ask one if she would have dinner with me, I got a.

Positive vibe, however she said she would call me.

A sweet Surin beauty. Not sure if she is a good girl, bust spoke good English and was very responsive to my outright flirting.

Nothing else was really happening as it was too early for bars to be fully functional.

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Thank Heavens the madness of Songkran is over!

Here is a pretty good plan for Walking Street:

1) Start the night at Hot Tuna Bar (or another live music club) to get into party mood.

2) Go to some go-go bar to let young gyrating semi-naked flesh fill up your field of vision and your mind.

I went to Happy, but it wasn't great, maybe choose another warm-up go-go.

3) Go to another go-go bar and mentally commit to offering a lady drink.

I did it at Airline / Airport, or whatever it's called. I always liked the atmosphere in this place. I offered LD to some girl named Jen.

4) Go to Insomnia, make a round, walk down the back stairs to I-bar and pick up some freelancer.

This is where it all went wrong. I never made it to Insomnia because I barfined Jen. The best-laid plans never survive the first encounter with reality.

Anyway, Jen was very worth it. If you don't break a couple of your own rules in Pattaya, it's a sign the night was crap. I broke three rules with her, and am very happy I did!

She was from Udon, quite young (maybe 23? Quite tall (exactly 1 m67), quite skinny (maybe 50 kilos), A-cup natural tits, relatively fair skin, bob haircut that frames her face well. Only flaw is that she wore braces, and I had sworn to myself I would not pick a girl with braces. That's the second rule I broke.

Useful info about Airport: There are 3 categories of girls: stewardesses in uniform, dancer / coyotes in white, and models in floral beach bikinis. Ladydrinks are 180/180/200. Barfines are 800/1000/1500, at least after 1 pm. Place closes at 3:30 am. Girls wear big round red stickers to cover their nipples for plausible deniability from law enforcement; the stickers are shaped like a pair of lips kissing, if you can believe that! Weird but creative.

Jen asked 3000, I told her I'd give her 2500 but would tip her 500 if she was good. I also told her I would pay her after the deed was done. And I confirmed she would blow me without condom. Off we went, to Oasis. It's 470 Baht, I tipped 30 extra, so 500 total. On the way out, Oasis refunded 150 Baht of my money to Jen. She tipped 50 Baht and kept the 100. Oasis assume it's the girl who brought the customer over. Truth is, she'd never been there, and it was my decision. This is the Land of Smiles.

Jen was very sensual, very friendly, very natural. It did not feel like she was working or jaded. She even managed to take me in without lube, and without me fingering her or DATY, so she must have gotten quite wet just from sucking me. We had a great romp in the hay. I think in a couple of positions she got very aroused. At the end, I asked: "Can I come in your mouth?" She did not answer, but I knew better than to speak, as I could tell she was analyzing all the pros and cons. Surely the 500 Baht tip I had dangled in front of her in the initial negotiation weighed in. She said yes and got her protein reward.

All in all, an excellent experience. If I ever see her at Airline again, I will probably repeat. I'm not sure I can recommend, because there was chemistry between us from the first second I eye-contacted her to offer her a lady-drink. She acted flattered. But if you find she's relaxed around you, then by all means barfine her, because she gives it her all.

Did I overpay? Almost surely. Do I regret it? Not one Baht. What I really regret is that I could not get her to borrow a stewardess uniform so I could bang her while she was wearing it.

[QUOTE=Franga;2025504]
Now, I always pay market rates, and only tip up to 100 baht if they give me a photo. Most overpayers are just insecure chumps IMO.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2025827]

I did it at Airline / Airport, or whatever it's called. I always liked the atmosphere in this place. I offered LD to some girl named Jen.

I never made it to Insomnia because I barfined Jen. The best-laid plans never survive the first encounter with reality.

Anyway, Jen was very worth it. If you don't break a couple of your own rules in Pattaya, it's a sign the night was crap. I broke three rules with her, and am very happy I did!

She was from Udon, quite young (maybe 23? Quite tall (exactly 1 m67), quite skinny (maybe 50 kilos), A-cup natural tits, relatively fair skin, bob haircut that frames her face well. Only flaw is that she wore braces, and I had sworn to myself I would not pick a girl with braces. That's the second rule I broke.

Useful info about Airport: There are 3 categories of girls: stewardesses in uniform, dancer / coyotes in white, and models in floral beach bikinis. Ladydrinks are 180/180/200. Barfines are 800/1000/1500, at least after 1 pm. Place closes at 3:30 am. Girls wear big round red stickers to cover their nipples for plausible deniability from law enforcement; the stickers are shaped like a pair of lips kissing, if you can believe that! Weird but creative.

Jen asked 3000, I told her I'd give her 2500 but would tip her 500 if she was good. I also told her I would pay her after the deed was done. And I confirmed she would blow me without condom. Off we went, to Oasis. It's 470 Baht, I tipped 30 extra, so 500 total. On the way out, Oasis refunded 150 Baht of my money to Jen. She tipped 50 Baht and kept the 100. Oasis assume it's the girl who brought the customer over. Truth is, she'd never been there, and it was my decision. This is the Land of Smiles.

Jen was very sensual, very friendly, very natural. It did not feel like she was working or jaded. She even managed to take me in without lube, and without me fingering her or DATY, so she must have gotten quite wet just from sucking me. We had a great romp in the hay. I think in a couple of positions she got very aroused. At the end, I asked: "Can I come in your mouth?" She did not answer, but I knew better than to speak, as I could tell she was analyzing all the pros and cons. Surely the 500 Baht tip I had dangled in front of her in the initial negotiation weighed in. She said yes and got her protein reward.

All in all, an excellent experience. If I ever see her at Airline again, I will probably repeat. I'm not sure I can recommend, because there was chemistry between us from the first second I eye-contacted her to offer her a lady-drink. She acted flattered. But if you find she's relaxed around you, then by all means barfine her, because she gives it her all.

Did I overpay? Almost surely. Do I regret it? Not one Baht. What I really regret is that I could not get her to borrow a stewardess uniform so I could bang her while she was wearing it.[/QUOTE]Did this guy overpay? He overplayed only for the bar fine in my opinion. This is classic example of a great encounter. This guy didn't cry like a little bitcchhhhhh over the extra 700 Baht added to the bar fine and he was happy to pay 3,000ST for a great encounter with I'm sure a beautiful young girl. A huge success in my books. He's certainly not an insecure chump. Great report!

[QUOTE=Franga;2025504]Now, I always pay market rates, and only tip up to 100 baht if they give me a photo. Most overpayers are just insecure chumps IMO.[/QUOTE]However you know that Thai girls look down with distain on "Cheap Charlies"? The comments that Thai girls view guys not so tight with the wallet as stupid, is far from the mark. Any girl with half a brain, can understand some guys will be generous because they can afford it, and because they are not mean ass-holes viewing girls as a paid slave. Penny-pinching millionaires are definitely viewed as mean-hearted.

If a guy wants to be in party mode and generously buy drinks for several guys, the girls maybe mystified he has so much money to blow, but they do not dislike it at all. I have heard stories of rich party guys dropping more than 10000 Baht on a bar visit on several girls, yet the Thai girls do not have a bad word about him. They like his style very much.

Girls are always very happy to see a guy that can be trusted to pay well and fairly. It is eliminates the stress of worrying about the money. They can have a good time and get good money. Win-win.

Personally, I always try to pay what I think is fair for the girl, based on several factors, her overall quality (stunners get more than ugly girls), how hard she tried to please, the amount of time, etc. "One price fits all" model is not reasonable in my view. Why should a shit girl get paid the same as a fantastic girl? Makes no sense to me.

For my favorite girl, I don't even know what I pay her on a per fuck basis, exactly. I pay her monthly rent, then she spends several nights with me, when the time is right for both of us. Maybe works out at 3K to 4K per night on average.

[QUOTE=Franga;2025504]The problem with paying above market rates with a girl is that if you want to repeat with her she will expect the same amount. Over a decade ago, I once gave a BR girl 700 baht instead of the market rate of 500 baht thinking I would be nice to her, help her out, etc, etc. Then when I tried to take her again several days later she wouldn't budge off the 700 baht. I wanted to stick to the market rate of 500 baht. We didn't get any agreement, so I had to take off.

Taught me a big lesson. These girls don't give a shite about you. You are not their family, just some stupid punter, a walking ATM.

Now, I always pay market rates, and only tip up to 100 baht if they give me a photo. Most overpayers are just insecure chumps IMO.[/QUOTE]

This is an important lesson indeed. I had similar experiences with overtipping. Next time, often they won't outright refuse, but are disappointed to receive only the going rate (or a smaller tip). I truly dislike that type of situation, especially if a girl has done and OK job, but I just don't feel like giving an oversized tip again.

These days, even if I actually want to tip the girl a significant amount, if I'm planning to see her again I restrain myself to avoid future disappointment. She might get a more sizable tip on a subsequent visit (clearly separated from the same amount, and sometimes I even say "this is a gift for today, but the rate is still X next time, ok?"). However, the first session sets the expectation/baseline, so it's always the going rate plus 100-200 baht.

Don't know about the experience of others, but it virtually never happened to me to get better service when I paid more than the market rate, quite the opposite. If a punter agrees to a price above the market rate, the girl often sees him as a chump and is encouraged to try her luck to see what else she can get away with.

However, don't push too far down either -- some girls, if desperate enough, would agree to go under the market rate, but grumble and feel bad about it (could be a bit of a face / self-confidence hit as well, being a 500-baht working girl instead of a 700-baht one). Don't know if they would have been a dud anyway, never repeated one of those.

I've been to my favorite disco 28 times in the last 11 months and there are only 3 girls I would overpay for out of the thousands of girls that walk through the door. I would only pay above market for 9-10. I would pay a maximum of 50% more to the top 5% of freelancers. Just like a sports franchise owner I am only paying a premium to surefire first ballot hall of fames with championship pedigree who puts fans in the seats and eyes glued to the TV. 1 of the 3 girls like to socialize and drink and typically doesn't give any action since she has a family. I saw my Soi 6 friend with my #1 overall choice and thought Oh my damn! Maybe I can get at her sideways by arranging a 3 some. No go! Nancy doesn't like girls. I admit I would be at a disadvantage because their personalities could change like chameleon once hired and I have no idea what the performance would be like. I could be hiring a hot starfish.

Thanks for your responses to my recent post. One issue I am concerned about are punters reporting that they never agree on a price beforehand. I have been burnt before by doing this, and for all transactions, mongering and non-mongering I will now always negotiate a price beforehand. This saves major dramas later.

As just one example, I took this girl in Nairobi out from Madhouse overnight and didn't talk price beforehand. I had just read about what the price for LT should be on the forum beforehand and decided that this was what I would give her. Well, next morning I had major problems with her accepting my payment. She complained, said she had a lot of financial problems, blah blah blah, and wouldn't leave the room. I stood my ground however and eventually she left after about an hour. Lesson: Why put up with this kind of sh*t when all of this could have been sorted out with a prior negotiation.

Also, I was in Madagascar a few years ago and overheard a conversation from a Madagascan guy who owned a hotel in Diego. He used to partake in the ladies quite often and he said to "Always, always, always, talk about the price (for their services) beforehand". He had obviously been burnt before. And this was a local guy not some naive tourist punter.

IMO, If you don't agree on a price beforehand, you leave yourself vulnerable to overcharging. The service has already been provided to you. So you are then at the mercy of their quote, and a potentially difficult and nasty negotiation.

It is clear that punters who do not negotiate beforehand (and do not have any dramas) are always paying market rates, or above. Why leave yourself at the mercy of being overcharged? I don't want to be taken advantage of, so I always negotiate. Prior non-negotiation may not be such a big problem in Thailand, but could be more so in other destinations where the populace is more desperate.

And with regard to my previous comments about overpaying, I am not saying that a 2000 baht gogo girl is overpaying compared to a 700 baht Beach Road girl. If 2000 baht is the market price for a gogo girl (I don't know as I never use them), then that is acceptable in my book. I am making reference to other postings such as a recent one where one member reported that he had to wait for a gogo girl of his choice to go with a Japanese guy, before he could go with her. It was reported that the Japanese guy paid 5000 baht ST (WTF). Now this is what I mean by overpaying. So, what if the Japanese guy suddenly wises up and next time wants to pay the "market" price of 2000 baht (for example) for the same girl? What will the girl say to him then: "Oh, no problem honey, I lub you long time". Well, I don't think she will be that generous.

Good luck to all you generous non-negotiators out there. TIT. Beware of the opportunists.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2025856]
Don't know about the experience of others, but it virtually never happened to me to get better service when I paid more than the market rate, quite the opposite. If a punter agrees to a price above the market rate, the girl often sees him as a chump and is encouraged to try her luck to see what else she can get away with.
[/QUOTE]We pay afterwards, a lot of the time. I have had plenty of girls that improved with repeat occasions. One free lancer is a classic example. On first session, she expected me to be the normal shit of a Cheap Charlie customer, and gave me okay Service but nothing that special. I paid her well. She was surprised. I did not need to pay her that extra tip if I never intended to repeat her. Since then she has always been keen to see me and giving me a great service GFE. She enjoys the session and has been getting up to 3 pops. Nothing like how she treated me the first time, when did not yet like me, and treated me just like any other average customer. However she has the expectation that I will pay a little more than normal, since we go at least 90 minutes, where freelancers typically expect a 30 minute or so session.

So I believe if you pay very low, you don't get any special effort, or any special GFE. Like BKK Dog says, if you just want a piece of meat, or mechanical fuck, so be it.

Out on the street, it is easy to be a Prince among the Frogs, by showing a good attitude to the girls, and paying them fairly for the time and effort they put in. I don't look like Brad Pitt of course, but not too horrible looking. Good condition for my age. LOL

I recall others posting that they agree with me that to get the best from freelancers, you typically have to cultivate the relationship over time. Sure on the other hand if you choose the wrong bad attitude girl, she will try to con you and rip you off. However good girls can respond in the right way to treating them well. If we start with the assumption that all girls are bad and will try to rip us off, might as well give the whole game away. Picking the right girl is the key. Try to evaluate the so called "chemistry" or just get lucky.

I think if a guy treats a girl poorly from the start, he will automatically find all the girls do not warm to him and do not start to give better GFE service. Start with a negative attitude, and you are bound to get a lot of negative results. Only a percentage of girls are always good or always bad. With a lot of girls YMMV, so motivate them to be good, get them relaxed and in fun mode, is my aim.

Plenty of times I did not negotiate a price up front. Still do it. Not a big concern for me. Its a good indicator the girl will not be really crap, because if she is, I can pay her as little as I feel like. That is a great advantage in my mind. She can be pissed off. I don't care if never want to see her again. In practice girls that do not negotiate, are rarely crappy. Can't remember when it happened. They are confident that I will like the session, and will pay accordingly.

If she demands a higher amount than what you intended or normally pay, you really only have to pay it, if you want to keep repeating her for that higher price, in other words if she is worth it, otherwise just stick to your "fair" price if you have one. So I on occasion paid a little more, only because I really wanted to keep doing her and wanted to come to me any time she sees me, instead of rush to some other customer. I refer to popular girls here, girls that get a customer so easily, they can be choosy. The top two or three girls in a bar typically do have any struggle to get customers.

Treating a girl right and building chemistry is not just about how we pay them, of course. It is just an aspect. Sometimes an MP booking goes for a long time maybe two hours. There is time to joke around with a girl at the start of the session and try show some respect and interest in her to get her into a good frame of mine, before the fucking starts. Sometimes the girl can be wildcat horny if things go exceptionally well, or very lovey dovey has been known to happen. My last Billboard girl was so lovey dovey after a few drinks, I was really surprised, and knew a good session on the bed was coming. We did not negotiate a price up front from memory. Clearly the chemistry was going great. She since disappeared from Bill Board. With her very cute looks and attitude I think she picked a farang boyfriend sponser very quickly indeed. Mamasan suggested she got a BF too. She was a really lovely girl, without knowing her too deeply.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2025856]

Don't know about the experience of others, but it virtually never happened to me to get better service when I paid more than the market rate, quite the opposite. If a punter agrees to a price above the market rate, the girl often sees him as a chump and is encouraged to try her luck to see what else she can get away with.

However, don't push too far down either -- some girls, if desperate enough, would agree to go under the market rate, but grumble and feel bad about it (could be a bit of a face / self-confidence hit as well, being a 500-baht working girl instead of a 700-baht one). Don't know if they would have been a dud anyway, never repeated one of those.[/QUOTE]You are missing the point entirely. I don't pay until after and I always manage the girls expectations. A smart and experienced punter will always do that. You obviously did not read my post.

[QUOTE=Franga;2025874]Thanks for your responses to my recent post. One issue I am concerned about are punters reporting that they never agree on a price beforehand. I have been burnt before by doing this, and for all transactions, mongering and non-mongering I will now always negotiate a price beforehand. This saves major dramas later.

As just one example, I took this girl in Nairobi out from Madhouse overnight and didn't talk price beforehand. I had just read about what the price for LT should be on the forum beforehand and decided that this was what I would give her. Well, next morning I had major problems with her accepting my payment. She complained, said she had a lot of financial problems, blah blah blah, and wouldn't leave the room. I stood my ground however and eventually she left after about an hour. Lesson: Why put up with this kind of sh*t when all of this could have been sorted out with a prior negotiation.

Also, I was in Madagascar a few years ago and overheard a conversation from a Madagascan guy who owned a hotel in Diego. He used to partake in the ladies quite often and he said to "Always, always, always, talk about the price (for their services) beforehand". He had obviously been burnt before. And this was a local guy not some naive tourist punter.

IMO, If you don't agree on a price beforehand, you leave yourself vulnerable to overcharging. The service has already been provided to you. So you are then at the mercy of their quote, and a potentially difficult and nasty negotiation.

It is clear that punters who do not negotiate beforehand (and do not have any dramas) are always paying market rates, or above. Why leave yourself at the mercy of being overcharged? I don't want to be taken advantage of, so I always negotiate. Prior non-negotiation may not be such a big problem in Thailand, but could be more so in other destinations where the populace is more desperate.

And with regard to my previous comments about overpaying, I am not saying that a 2000 baht gogo girl is overpaying compared to a 700 baht Beach Road girl. If 2000 baht is the market price for a gogo girl (I don't know as I never use them), then that is acceptable in my book. I am making reference to other postings such as a recent one where one member reported that he had to wait for a gogo girl of his choice to go with a Japanese guy, before he could go with her. It was reported that the Japanese guy paid 5000 baht ST (WTF). Now this is what I mean by overpaying. So, what if the Japanese guy suddenly wises up and next time wants to pay the "market" price of 2000 baht (for example) for the same girl? What will the girl say to him then: "Oh, no problem honey, I lub you long time". Well, I don't think she will be that generous.

Good luck to all you generous non-negotiators out there. TIT. Beware of the opportunists.[/QUOTE]You obviously did not get my point in any way what so ever. You see this purely as a business transaction and nothing more. Where others see it as a relationship in some way. We build a good relationship with the ladies and then it is much easier to deal with paying and so on. Often this relationship is rewarded in the bedroom. Some punters have built up a stable of regular providers because of the relationship they have with them and they don't encounter many of the problems you have. If you treat the ladies as just a piece of meat, they will treat you just like a trick, John, or walking ATM.

I will give you a good example. 2 years ago I was forced into spending my birthday alone in Bangkok. My girlfriend at the time was working late. I ended up at Angel Witch in Nana Plaza. I bar fined a beautiful girl with natural D cups with a gorgeous body and face. I told her I wanted to go for a few drinks and some food before heading back to my place. I took her to a rooftop bar on Soi 11. We had 1 cocktail each and shared a piece of chocolate cake and Cream brulet. To make a long story short, she stayed with me for the whole night, banged my brains out BB and refused all but taxi money in the morning. She also stood up a regular customer at midnight for me. What did she get? She was so happy that I treated her like a lady instead of a piece of meat. She kept saying how I was a gentlemen for taking her to a Hi So place. I know this is an extreme example but my point is if you build a good relationship with the ladies, most will return the favor in the bedroom.

What did it cost me? 1,200 Baht at the restaurant, 500 Baht for taxi, bar fine 700, and one lady drink for 150 Baht. In return I got BB sex multiple times with one of the most in demand girls at Angel Witch at the time.

Finally, if I take a look at the places you go and the ladies you take, I can conclude that you are in no danger of overpaying. Secondly, you don't have to worry about any of us so called overpayers damaging the market for you. We will never go near the places you frequent and the ladies you choose. Therefore, your market is in no danger of being damaged. To each their own.

[QUOTE=Franga;2025874]As just one example, I took this girl in Nairobi out from Madhouse overnight and didn't talk price beforehand. I had just read about what the price for LT should be on the forum beforehand and decided that this was what I would give her. Well, next morning I had major problems with her accepting my payment. She complained, said she had a lot of financial problems, blah blah blah, and wouldn't leave the room. I stood my ground however and eventually she left after about an hour. Lesson: Why put up with this kind of sh*t when all of this could have been sorted out with a prior negotiation.[/QUOTE]I would like to know what you researched as the LT standard pricing on the forum? Judging from the prices you pay as per your posts, you probably wouldn't pay the girl a fair price for LT. What do you think a fair price is for LT?

[QUOTE=Franga;2025874]As just one example, I took this girl in Nairobi out from Madhouse overnight and didn't talk price beforehand. I had just read about what the price for LT should be on the forum beforehand and decided that this was what I would give her. Well, next morning I had major problems with her accepting my payment. She complained, said she had a lot of financial problems, blah blah blah, and wouldn't leave the room. I stood my ground however and eventually she left after about an hour. Lesson: Why put up with this kind of sh*t when all of this could have been sorted out with a prior negotiation.[/QUOTE]To me you are comparing apples and oranges. In Thailand the girls know when you are giving them a fair rate and will not make waves about that. In Africa the chick probably took one look at you and knew you were going to give her well above the fair rate. When that didn't happen she made waves. What did she have to lose? Of course as you said cases like this will cause undue stress on the punter.

Before going to Nigeria I read up on ISG about the rates. Posters stressed do not give more than whatever amount. When I finished with a chick I gave her that amount and I encountered the same scenario that you did. The chick stayed about an hour more shedding big crocodile tears telling me to give her more. That was falling on deaf ears so she finally threatened to go get security. I told her to go ahead. Who did she think they were going to side with. She finally left and that was the end.

She had better luck than the girl that went with my coworker though. The next day I asked him how much he had given the girl and he said nothing. When they got to the room she ordered a $20 bowl of soup that he was going to have to pay for. He said when he was finished fucking he gave her some snacks that he had in his bag and told her to get the fuck out of his room.

So I would say that it all depends on where you are as to whether you discuss the price beforehand. Of course you can never go wrong doing so. I have read many reports on ISG of guys that give chicks way more than I ever would and they say they do not talk about price because it kills the vibe for them. I guess if you already have it in your head to give 3000 to 5000 baht then there would be no need to discuss it. But if you are a 1000 to 1200 baht guy like me then you may want to reconsider; although I have never had a problem with a girl after giving this rate for LT in Pattaya and many times they are eager to come back.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2026003]To me you are comparing apples and oranges. In Thailand the girls know when you are giving them a fair rate and will not make waves about that. In Africa the chick probably took one look at you and knew you were going to give her well above the fair rate. When that didn't happen she made waves. What did she have to lose? Of course as you said cases like this will cause undue stress on the punter.

Before going to Nigeria I read up on ISG about the rates. Posters stressed do not give more than whatever amount. When I finished with a chick I gave her that amount and I encountered the same scenario that you did. The chick stayed about an hour more shedding big crocodile tears telling me to give her more. That was falling on deaf ears so she finally threatened to go get security. I told her to go ahead. Who did she think they were going to side with. She finally left and that was the end.

She had better luck than the girl that went with my coworker though. The next day I asked him how much he had given the girl and he said nothing. When they got to the room she ordered a $20 bowl of soup that he was going to have to pay for. He said when he was finished fucking he gave her some snacks that he had in his bag and told her to get the fuck out of his room.

So I would say that it all depends on where you are as to whether you discuss the price beforehand. Of course you can never go wrong doing so. I have read many reports on ISG of guys that give chicks way more than I ever would and they say they do not talk about price because it kills the vibe for them. I guess if you already have it in your head to give 3000 to 5000 baht then there would be no need to discuss it. But if you are a 1000 to 1200 baht guy like me then you may want to reconsider; although I have never had a problem with a girl after giving this rate for LT in Pattaya and many times they are eager to come back.[/QUOTE]There is one difference between you and the original op. You don't go around calling people insecure chumps for paying more than 1,000-1,200 for a lady. You simply know your budget and you have fun and respect others for theirs as well. By the way, didn't I see you in Thermae taking a lady? And also in a few go go bars in walking street? They aren't 1,000-1,200 for LT or ST in those places LOL.

Hi everyone,

Requesting some tips from experts. Have done my research here plus online, still hope to receive some valuable tips.

Being Indian (38 years, physically quite fit), seems I will have to work hard to get great ladies. (good clothing, cologne, treating working women as humans, good budget-ticked) Hope you guys don't have preconceived notions me being an Indian.

Will be in Pattaya in first week of May. Staying at Siam. Me plus one friend. Do we need to split or 2 is OK?

Planning to experience following.

Soapy. Rasputin. BJ bar. Club104 or some on Soi6. Oily. Whatever strikes on way.

Gogos. Not much inclined. Maybe visit Windmill and whatsapp.

Clubs. Insomina / Ibar. More interested in freelancers. Hope to find at this bar. Also will try walking street or beach road. Bit skeptical about beach road.

Am looking more PSE type stuff. Devils Den seems avoidable.

Not able to find which bear bars to visit.

Have premium membership on thaifriendly. In touch with some. But somehow not getting the vibe that it will work out.

Any tips / suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanking you.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2026009]By the way, didn't I see you in Thermae taking a lady? And also in a few go go bars in walking street? They aren't 1,000-1,200 for LT or ST in those places LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL. Nahh. Wasn't me. I have never been in Thermae. I used to hang out in Nana parking lot and whatever that club used to be at the Ambassador Hotel when I used to go to Bangkok. Since I have been living in Pattaya thr last 7 year I think I have even only been to Bangkok 2 or 3 times.

I have only ever paid a couple of bar fines ever and never at a gogo. I tell them to meet me at the disco or come over after work.

I am interested in Thermae, are the girls young and attractive ? I read on the internet that the girls used to only service Asian customers.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2026107]I am interested in Thermae, are the girls young and attractive ? I read on the internet that the girls used to only service Asian customers.[/QUOTE]Just walk over there and walk right in. You will find many young and attractive girls waiting.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2026030]LOL. Nahh. Wasn't me. I have never been in Thermae. I used to hang out in Nana parking lot and whatever that club used to be at the Ambassador Hotel when I used to go to Bangkok. Since I have been living in Pattaya thr last 7 year I think I have even only been to Bangkok 2 or 3 times.

I have only ever paid a couple of bar fines ever and never at a gogo. I tell them to meet me at the disco or come over after work.[/QUOTE]Or maybe it was in China, Beijing? Hmmmm.

[QUOTE=CoolMumbai;2026015]Hi everyone,

Requesting some tips from experts. Have done my research here plus online, still hope to receive some valuable tips.

Being Indian (38 years, physically quite fit), seems I will have to work hard to get great ladies. (good clothing, cologne, treating working women as humans, good budget-ticked) Hope you guys don't have preconceived notions me being an Indian.

Will be in Pattaya in first week of May. Staying at Siam. Me plus one friend. Do we need to split or 2 is OK?

Planning to experience following.

Soapy. Rasputin. BJ bar. Club104 or some on Soi6. Oily. Whatever strikes on way.

Gogos. Not much inclined. Maybe visit Windmill and whatsapp.

Clubs. Insomina / Ibar. More interested in freelancers. Hope to find at this bar. Also will try walking street or beach road. Bit skeptical about beach road.

Am looking more PSE type stuff. Devils Den seems avoidable.

Not able to find which bear bars to visit.

Have premium membership on thaifriendly. In touch with some. But somehow not getting the vibe that it will work out.

Any tips / suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanking you.[/QUOTE]You seem to have your bases covered. If you are looking for PSE then why would you avoid Devil's Den? It is one place to get a guaranteed PSE performance, even if the girls are faking it.

I had written a report a while ago that you might find helpful.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2017286[/URL]#post2017286.

A couple of points. The GOGO is called What's Up.

I did not understand this question.

[QUOTE=CoolMumbai;2026015]Staying at Siam. Me plus one friend. Do we need to split or 2 is OK?[/QUOTE]If this means you are sharing one room with a male friend, then all of the above is irrelevant. Just don't bother wasting your time and ours. If you want a good time, try operating solo, it is your best bet. If you are reasonably fit (does not matter one bit), if you will dress well, smell nice, be generous, treat a lady like a human and will not be a cheap charlie, then you have nothing to fear.

Steer clear of TF for the moment and focus on getting the game right on ground. I am sorry to bring you the news that your premium membership is a waste of money.

[QUOTE=CoolMumbai;2026015]
Being Indian (38 years, physically quite fit), seems I will have to work hard to get great ladies. (good clothing, cologne, treating working women as humans, good budget-ticked) Hope you guys don't have preconceived notions me being an Indian.

Will be in Pattaya in first week of May. Staying at Siam. Me plus one friend. Do we need to split or 2 is OK?
[/QUOTE]Ha ha. There is a preconceived notion that Indian guys like to share a room instead of having one for themselves, which means they can't bring a girl home for the night. Are you confirming this preconception. I don't hear of guys from other countries wanting to share a room at all, except with a hot girl. It's not in our culture. It's better to get a very cheap or value for money room than to share one. I often book a budget priced room very close to a special girl's apartment to make it very easy for her to come and stay the night with me. This can be less than 1000 Baht per night. So it means I have two rooms on some nights. My normal lodging plus an extra room for girl liasons, or a ST Hotel room for taking the girl for just 1 hour or more.

Strong Cologne is considered by many as an attempted masking agent. I don't use Cologne myself, but a strong antiperspirant deodorant, yes with that Aluminium Chlorhydrate stuff (I like one sold here called Top Country with a light scent to it), and check my armpits regularly to see if need a shower. Indian TV channels are swamped with advertising for manly Colognes, but the important bit is cleaning, and finding ways to get rid of armpit bacteria, even if only temporarily. Some deodorants contain weak anti-bacterial things like Triclosan. Consult a doctor for anyone with a severe bacteria breeding armpit problem. Must be there are antibiotics that can help, for the duration of Thailand stay at least.

Indian guys are not a big favourite for Thai girls. Some Thai girls are prejudiced against various nationalities. Other Thai girls are fine with classy Indian or similar guys. In the Thermae I suffer from Thai girls ignoring me and wanting Japanese or Korean or other East Asian customers. We all have our preconceived ideas.

In Bangkok there are certain bars very popular with Indians. I guess that will be the case in Pattaya as well.

Thanks a lot buddy.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2026159]You seem to have your bases covered. If you are looking for PSE then why would you avoid Devil's Den? It is one place to get a guaranteed PSE performance, even if the girls are faking it.
Will give a try at DD. Just remembered reading online that it is over hyped, so thought to skip. But the heck, lets try once to make judgement for myself.
I had written a report a while ago that you might find helpful.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2017286[/URL]#post2017286.
Yes, it is quite helpful.
A couple of points. The GOGO is called What's Up.

I did not understand this question..[/QUOTE]Yes, you reconfirmed my gut feel to not to bother about TF.

Thanks for all your inputs.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2026202]Ha ha. There is a preconceived notion that Indian guys like to share a room instead of having one for themselves, which means they can't bring a girl home for the night. Are you confirming this preconception.
Strong Cologne is considered by many as an attempted masking agent.
Indian guys are not a big favourite for Thai girls. Some Thai girls are prejudiced against various nationalities. Other Thai girls are fine with classy Indian or similar guys. In the Thermae I suffer from Thai girls ignoring me and wanting Japanese or Korean or other East Asian customers. We all have our preconceived ideas.
In Bangkok there are certain bars very popular with Indians. I guess that will be the case in Pattaya as well.[/QUOTE]No, we are not sharing rooms. Booked separate rooms. Was asking about roaming around in group of 2 or solo.

Of course personal hygiene is something I understand and practice in general. Not only for mongering point of view, in general.

True, so am just curious to know where is the best chances to succeed and what to avoid. Not that rejection affects me, its part of our hobby. Girls do have preferences and we have to respect that. The way we select some and ignore most, they also have the right.

Spend substantial span of my life in USA. Did my masters there and also worked few years before moving back to home. So I think I am more comfortable with people having different values, culture and tastes.

Thanks a lot for your reply.

I am back!! Got in a few hours ago and managed to get a couple hours of rest so I am ready to go out and monger. Unfortunately, I am recovering from some allergies from back home for the last 2 weeks, and the long airplane flight clogged me up and I blew my nose too hard and it is bleeding now. Ugh. Can't go out with a bleeding nose, so I have it stuffed with some tissue and when it stops, it will be to the drug store for some loratadine, then probably off to Soi 6! Just got dark, but I want to check on a super hotty at Full Moon Bar who amazed me with her looks last November. I would not be surprised if she is no longer there as she was a 10 and would do well in a WS gogo, but it is a place to start.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2026320]I am back!! Got in a few hours ago and managed to get a couple hours of rest so I am ready to go out and monger. Unfortunately, I am recovering from some allergies from back home for the last 2 weeks, and the long airplane flight clogged me up and I blew my nose too hard and it is bleeding now. Ugh. Can't go out with a bleeding nose, so I have it stuffed with some tissue and when it stops, it will be to the drug store for some loratadine, then probably off to Soi 6! Just got dark, but I want to check on a super hotty at Full Moon Bar who amazed me with her looks last November. I would not be surprised if she is no longer there as she was a 10 and would do well in a WS gogo, but it is a place to start.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Thailand is a great place to recover from Allergies. I have sinus problems that clear up quickly in Thailand, and also an unusual allergy that is not a problem here. I think the air humidity helps a lot with my sinuses, so I like it. Fortunately the antihistamine you mention should not interfere with your dick working properly. Some cold and flu medications can cause limp dick, like cough suppressants. Okay Your nose is blocked, cut back on the DATY, everything else should be fine. Pseudo Ephedrine used to help shrink nose blood vessels and alleviate nose bleeds as well, but I think maybe was banned a few years already, since it used to be misused a precursor to making Cocaine or Ice, or Amephetamines, I forget exactly.

Can't let a simple nose bleed hold you back from important things.

I recall news of Hospitals in Thailand NE importing large quantities from Laos in the past, much larger quantities than could ever be used for colds, and reselling it to crooks. Some medications in your suitcase require documentary permits / prescriptions. Hopefully guys do not have Codeine, Temazepam, etc.

You could still have sex even with one nostril stuffed and out of action. The worst problem from nose bleed is probably just causing bad breath, so use the mouth gargle wash, etc.

Indians regularly share 23 square m rooms where I stay. In a lot of cases it will be 4-5 guys sharing the room. Almost hostel conditions. As long as you smell clean and pleasant you will be fine. I wear cologne but I was also blessed with a low body chemistry so 95% of the time a shower and clean clothes to start the day is all I need. You don't need need fancy clothes The girls are more concerned with their bottom line. Just clean even though I myself would be in the top 1% of dressers. At popular discos most farangs travel light so they may rotate the same 2-3 outfits each weekend during their stay.

[QUOTE=Cool;2026383]Indians regularly share 23 square m rooms where I stay. In a lot of cases it will be 4-5 guys sharing the room. Almost hostel conditions..[/QUOTE]I think the comment about staying 2 or more to the room had to do with taking a girl back to your room. I've read that in many cases all the guys in the room want a shot with the girl without paying her anything extra.

[QUOTE=CoolMumbai;2026235]No, we are not sharing rooms. Booked separate rooms. Was asking about roaming around in group of 2 or solo..[/QUOTE]There's nothing wrong with taking a wingman along for the hunt, just don't approach one girl together. And don't you or your buddy hover in the background either or walk back to the hotel at the same time if only one of you scores a girl. A wingman is to be left behind and then found again after the deed. I would also suggest walking into a gogo separately, one of you might have a better chance at getting in some of the clubs alone vs two walking up to the door.

[QUOTE=CoolMumbai;2026015]Hi everyone,

Requesting some tips from experts. Have done my research here plus online, still hope to receive some valuable tips.

Being Indian (38 years, physically quite fit), seems I will have to work hard to get great ladies. (good clothing, cologne, treating working women as humans, good budget-ticked) Hope you guys don't have preconceived notions me being an Indian.

Will be in Pattaya in first week of May. Staying at Siam. Me plus one friend. Do we need to split or 2 is OK?

Planning to experience following.

Soapy. Rasputin. BJ bar. Club104 or some on Soi6. Oily. Whatever strikes on way.

Gogos. Not much inclined. Maybe visit Windmill and whatsapp.

Clubs. Insomina / Ibar. More interested in freelancers. Hope to find at this bar. Also will try walking street or beach road. Bit skeptical about beach road..[/QUOTE]First of all your notion that being an Indian, you will have to work hard to get great ladies is wrong and not based on facts. Girls just do not care about your dress though one is expected to be decent enough and maintain normal hygiene not smell bad. At the end of the day, all that matters is money for the girls, at least in most of the cases, as there may be some rare exceptions. I have never experienced any difficulty in getting top girls and they have treated me very well. Be courteous and nice to girls.

To answer your second question, it is entirely up to you to stay in a double room together or separately. Most of us prefer to stay separate so that we can bring girls and have our own pace.

Of course, you can go together for hunting!

There are plenty of beer bars and I am surprised you are not able to find one!

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2024587]Anyone had experience hiring a girl for a week or a few days?[/QUOTE]I have a few times, and most recently in Jan (with a girl I had met earlier in May who had returned back to her family's farm in Isaan).

1. Ensure you have been with such a girl (before you make such a deal) and for at least a few days. You want to be very sure you would enjoy the girls company 24*7. Also, looks do matter. Since you will be out and about with her. Do you want to be seen with an old hag or a just an average girl who dresses and carries herself in a mediocre way. For me, I was looking for true girl friend experience for 10 days.

2. FYI, Only found out she'd left Pattaya after I got there. We never discussed money and she took a overnight bus with a back pack and stayed with me for 10 days. We hit a number of bars, restaurants and discos together and did other touristy things that I wanted to do. It will cost you a lot more since you will be paying for everything. I love the brunch buffets at the Hilton and teppanyaki places and shopping / movies at Central Festival, a couple of massages etc, so I factored that in. I always bring perfumes and dresses since I was there for a month. This one (about 27-28 years old, and an 8 spinner, cute face, excellent skin, teeth, hair etc.) , got 5-6 dresses from Nordstrom Rack as well, as I liked her looking chic. Besides everything else I paid for, and the in kind gifts, I gave her 25 k cash, plus 1. 5 K for transport. Daily expenses for food and drink for her while hanging with me was about 1. 5 k- 2 K per day. It was great GFE experinece and never had a single issue. A really nice person. I don't maintain any email or social media site contacts once I leave the country. If she is still single and not working, and wants to, I will repeat in Jan when I return. I am learning the hard way that girls like her are hard to find. Your personality and the girls personality have to mesh for something like this to work. You have to settle into a nice, comfortable and agreeable cohabitation. For me, such a girl needs to act refined and have great manners and personal touch.

Therefore, I would say that this is NOT a high probability outcome since there are too many variables, if it is a week or more 24* 7.

Best to keep moving for me. And I probably like Latin girls somewhat better. Thai girls are always looking for something that could be a LT relationship , from their point of view. Can't blame them. 18-23 Latin girls, in my experience, are more interested in partying and staying single, and that works better for me. YMMV, if you like Thai girls more. Good Luck and all the best.

[QUOTE=Cool;2026383] I wear cologne but I was also blessed with a low body chemistry so 95% of the time a shower and clean clothes to start the day is all I need. [/QUOTE]Sounds good in theory. However be aware that a large portion of guys that stink, do not know they stink. I had to tell a Farang guy that I worked with that he ponged, especially after returning from the Gym and the whole office knew about it, and he wore these synthetic shirts. He was able to largely rectify the problem after being told. He probably realised a shower after Gym was important, maybe deodorant was important, and not to put a stinky shirt back on. He simply did not know, until I had the guts to tell him. No one else was game to.

I used to know an Italian guy that claimed one shower a day was sufficient. He ponged badly enough. He did not know.

One shower per day is certainly not enough when going to see Thai girls. As I said before, very important to take a shower just before going to them (with clean shirt), and shower before and after sex. Don't kid yourself that you know better. Thai girls will not respect a guy that skips a shower. It is very anti Thai culture. In Thailand you have to be prepared to change the way you do things. Thorough mouth cleaning is also very important if you want kissing. Sure I believe I stink less than average guys but I still take the extra precautions. Trying to skip a shower is just inexcusable behaviour, even if you believe you don't need it. Just accept that it is required and go with it. I never try to skip the shower no matter how recently I already showered. It is better to conform to the standard expected.

Be aware that others may have a 10 times more sensitive nose than you have, and that some guys do not smell acrid under arm at all. They are clueless.

Perhaps avoid food very high in garlic, unless its the very mild Large garlic they use on steamed fish. The odours stay too long.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2026788]Sounds good in theory. However be aware that a large portion of guys that stink, do not know they stink. I had to tell a Farang guy that I worked with that he ponged, especially after returning from the Gym and the whole office knew about it, and he wore these synthetic shirts. He was able to largely rectify the problem after being told. He probably realised a shower after Gym was important, maybe deodorant was important, and not to put a stinky shirt back on. He simply did not know, until I had the guts to tell him. No one else was game to.

I used to know an Italian guy that claimed one shower a day was sufficient. He ponged badly enough. He did not know..[/QUOTE]Syzzgies,

Thanks for making a point here. You don't have to be Indian to stink (again broad generalization by a lot of folks here on these forums). I live and work in US and travel worldwide and I have been in the vicinity of French and Belgian business folks that smelt like they haven't showered in ages. Asians (non-Indians) do smell- especially if they had fish for lunch or dinner and you are meeting them and they open their mouth for a conversation. At the end of the day, behave well and spend that money (and I think Indians are starting to exert their economic clout. I won't be surprised them buying beer bars and such in Pattaya or Bangkok- just like they bought Nashaa out in Pattaya) and girls don't care a hoot about anything else.

[QUOTE=CoolMumbai;2026015]Hi everyone,

Requesting some tips from experts. Have done my research here plus online, still hope to receive some valuable tips.

Being Indian (38 years, physically quite fit), seems I will have to work hard to get great ladies. (good clothing, cologne, treating working women as humans, good budget-ticked) Hope you guys don't have preconceived notions me being an Indian.

Will be in Pattaya in first week of May. Staying at Siam. Me plus one friend. Do we need to split or 2 is OK?

Planning to experience following.

Soapy. Rasputin. BJ bar. Club104 or some on Soi6. Oily. Whatever strikes on way.

Gogos. Not much inclined. Maybe visit Windmill and whatsapp.

Clubs. Insomina / Ibar. More interested in freelancers. Hope to find at this bar. Also will try walking street or beach road. Bit skeptical about beach road..[/QUOTE]Hi,

Myself from India and went for my first trip this April. With my online research I was having a feeling that there was going to be a lot of rejection. But we were welcome in most places and had an awesome trip. I'm ugly as fuck and we didn't dress all that well (cheap looking t-shirt, shorts and flipflops). Occasionally some reject you (some freelancers, gogos, clubs etc) and also while many girls jump on top of other tourists you may have to take the initial step and approach girls. As long as you have money there are plenty of pussies out there, you just have to go with the flow.

Regarding sharing rooms, not only its convenient to get separate rooms but also its more economical. If you decide to pay the joiner fees instead and if you fuck more than once you have already paid for the second room.

When you go out you can always go in with your friends unless you have a large group. I felt the large groups were mostly getting rejected but not exactly sure what there were discussing.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2014357]Sounds like a good book for me to read as well. I had recently a nasty episode with one money-grubbing hooker I knew long time, which left bad taste in my mouth.[/QUOTE]No, you're thinking of a blowjob;-P.

I'm American and I think I know my hygiene better than anyone on this board. On top of that I don't work outside.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2026788]Sounds good in theory. However be aware that a large portion of guys that stink, do not know they stink. I had to tell a Farang guy that I worked with that he ponged, especially after returning from the Gym and the whole office knew about it, and he wore these synthetic shirts. He was able to largely rectify the problem after being told. He probably realised a shower after Gym was important, maybe deodorant was important, and not to put a stinky shirt back on. He simply did not know, until I had the guts to tell him. No one else was game to.

I used to know an Italian guy that claimed one shower a day was sufficient. He ponged badly enough. He did not know.

One shower per day is certainly not enough when going to see Thai girls. As I said before, very important to take a shower just before going to them (with clean shirt), and shower before and after sex. Don't kid yourself that you know better. Thai girls will not respect a guy that skips a shower. It is very anti Thai culture. In Thailand you have to be prepared to change the way you do things. Thorough mouth cleaning is also very important if you want kissing..[/QUOTE]

Flying in from Denpasar, hit BKK airport after noon.

Immigration and waiting at baggage belt 50 minutes in total.

Went down to lower ground floor to buy a bus ticket to Pattaya.

Bell bus to Arcea Lodge, arrived after 2,5 hours.

Napped 5 hours and went out for a meal and some pints at Soi Langkee.

Relocated to Windmill and was surprised how few guests in there.

Same sleaze as always, but bored out after two LITs.

Went over to Iron club 11.30, Namtan told me she start her light show at midnight.

Rejected company from some of her colleagues.

It went to a Limhal (never ending story) show but at 1.30 we took a McTaxi stopping at.

LK metro to buy some Pizza slices and Somtam.

Back at the the room the fuzzy story started, we showered together and she went down.

Headed to the bed and after 30 minutes or so she said she had to go to balcony for a zip of fresh air, in Soi Diana.

She hailed out a small water pipe and said lets go together on this.

I told her Big NoNo! If you want you can but not on my balcony, neither in my room.

She told me if so, no more bombom. Angry as a wasp she went and throw 3 x 500 baht bills on the floor.

Dressed and shouted don't you dare tell mamasan here is your BF money, never want to see you again!

Never ever enter Iron again you weak heart.

Anyone here had here or talked to her before?

She told me before she is working at Mona Lisa soi6 until 11 pm and after do her show at Iron club, emailing.

Funny thing is that she left her knicker but brought the plastic bag with SomtamCrab.

Anyone heard about a chick doing duo jobs in sin city?

Confused.

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[QUOTE=Deeepster;2027044]Anyone heard about a chick doing duo jobs in sin city?
[/QUOTE]Lots of girls work at one place during the day then switching to another at night. For example Kinnaree closes at 7 pm so after it closes the girls rush off to work at beer bars, karaoke bars, etc. Many Soi 6 girls hop over to iBar after Soi 6 closes around 1 am.

[QUOTE=Darpra;2026972]Hi,

Myself from India and went for my first trip this April. With my online research I was having a feeling that there was going to be a lot of rejection. But we were welcome in most places and had an awesome trip. I'm ugly as fuck and we didn't dress all that well (cheap looking t-shirt, shorts and flipflops). Occasionally some reject you (some freelancers, gogos, clubs etc) and also while many girls jump on top of other tourists you may have to take the initial step and approach girls. As long as you have money there are plenty of pussies out there, you just have to go with the flow.

Regarding sharing rooms, not only its convenient to get separate rooms but also its more economical. If you decide to pay the joiner fees instead and if you fuck more than once you have already paid for the second room.

When you go out you can always go in with your friends unless you have a large group. I felt the large groups were mostly getting rejected but not exactly sure what there were discussing.[/QUOTE]Large unruly crowd of young men are not welcome in gogos. That is because they create rucus and nuisance for other clients. I have seen several groups getting rejected from not only Australia, India, Pakistan etc. Unruly behavior is not uncommon when young men are in groups and tend to over react and thus get rejected.

[QUOTE=KrisMonger;2026854]Syzzgies,

Thanks for making a point here. You don't have to be Indian to stink (again broad generalization by a lot of folks here on these forums). I live and work in US and travel worldwide and I have been in the vicinity of French and Belgian business folks that smelt like they haven't showered in ages. Asians (non-Indians) do smell- especially if they had fish for lunch or dinner and you are meeting them and they open their mouth for a conversation. At the end of the day, behave well and spend that money (and I think Indians are starting to exert their economic clout. I won't be surprised them buying beer bars and such in Pattaya or Bangkok- just like they bought Nashaa out in Pattaya) and girls don't care a hoot about anything else.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. Generalization would be incorrect. I have experienced men stinking irrespective of the nationalities. Also I endorse your point that girls don't care a hoot as long its money, honey, though basic hygiene is essential for every one not only here in Pattaya, else where also.

I have read in reports previously about a place on Soi Buakhao near to central Pattaya road about a shop well known for selling good quality watches (Phillipe Patak comes to mind) can anyone tell me what it is called or name of owner? If I remem er correctly there are 2 similar shops next to each other near end of Soi Buakhao so which one is it? Is it Mr Jacks or something similar? Thanks for any help on this matter.

[QUOTE=FunExplorer;2027139]I agree with you. Generalization would be incorrect. I have experienced men stinking irrespective of the nationalities. Also I endorse your point that girls don't care a hoot as long its money, honey, though basic hygiene is essential for every one not only here in Pattaya, else where also.[/QUOTE]I once befriended an Indian guy who needed help getting from Ekamai to Patts by bus, then the songthaew to beach Road, and finally a hotel room. We ended up taking a room each at the Sawasdee on Soi Diana and barfining a chick each from a beer bar near Soi 8 on Beach Road. Back in the rooms with the girls, the Indian guy decided to call me on the hotel phones. He was very excited about his encounter. Then the two Thai chicks had a chat in thai to each other. After they had finished, my girl said to me that her friend said that the Indian guy was okay, but that he smelled a bit. Then she said in a very stern voice to me that I was not to tell him that they had said that about him.

So there you go guys, the Thais are too polite to tell you if you are on the nose.

I thought Indian hand gestures and the head movements combined with money were the greatest aphrodisiac of them all?

Seems she didn't want to burn down her bridge with a money generator. Plus he was a virtual stranger. I think most Indians that RTFF and are on the ground have an idea what others think of them and where they fit in the Thai equation. No point in a farang becoming delusional.

[QUOTE=Franga;2027192]I once befriended an Indian guy who needed help getting from Ekamai to Patts by bus, then the songthaew to beach Road, and finally a hotel room. We ended up taking a room each at the Sawasdee on Soi Diana and barfining a chick each from a beer bar near Soi 8 on Beach Road. Back in the rooms with the girls, the Indian guy decided to call me on the hotel phones. He was very excited about his encounter. Then the two Thai chicks had a chat in thai to each other. After they had finished, my girl said to me that her friend said that the Indian guy was okay, but that he smelled a bit. Then she said in a very stern voice to me that I was not to tell him that they had said that about him.

So there you go guys, the Thais are too polite to tell you if you are on the nose.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2027120]Many Soi 6 girls hop over to iBar after Soi 6 closes around 1 am.[/QUOTE]Hopping over to iBar is not technically two jobs. A lot of GOGO girls head to iBar after 3 am too.

[QUOTE=Broxy;2027180]I have read in reports previously about a place on Soi Buakhao near to central Pattaya road about a shop well known for selling good quality watches (Phillipe Patak comes to mind) can anyone tell me what it is called or name of owner? If I remem er correctly there are 2 similar shops next to each other near end of Soi Buakhao so which one is it? Is it Mr Jacks or something similar? Thanks for any help on this matter.[/QUOTE]At the end of Soi Buakhao, two watch shops are placed next to each other. As you stand facing them, Mr. Jacks is on the right.

The name is on the window, they open at about 10 am each morning. The man sat at the window is known as Mr. Jack.

In side there is an IPAD on the counter with various brand brochures installed for you to browse. Ask one of the ladies for the watch you want, if they have it in stock they will show you, if not and its available they will get it for you, takes 2-3 days. Taking a photo of the watch you want can help things along. All watches are checked there and then in front of you, and marked on the inside of the dust lid, a sort of 12 month guarantee for the watch.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2026788]As I said before, very important to take a shower just before going to them (with clean shirt), and shower before and after sex. Don't kid yourself that you know better. Thai girls will not respect a guy that skips a shower. [/QUOTE]I wonder how hard it is to get a Thai girl NOT to shower before sex. Probably an uphill struggle. In Indonesia I used to spin girls the yarn that I'd had a girl-friend of mine electrocute herself while showering before sex and that I was extremely superstitious about a girl showering before sex. It didn't work. The girl would pretend to have to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] and would contrive to wash.

Not such problem in Africa (nor in the Middle-Ages when men didn't have Viagra to stand in for pheromones).

Thank you Kerb Crawler your help is much appreciated I will be in patts for 3 weeks from 19 may if you are there love to share a few drinks with you if you left already thank you again. If I can help in any way I will.

Thank you.

I arrived in Pattaya this last Sunday, on one of my yearly visits. I have been coming here yearly since 2003. In the past few days, I enjoyed the FLs on beach road, quite a bit of talent everywhere for 1K bahts. I picked 3 FLs so far and I was very pleased with them, even repeated with one. I also did my usual body massage at Honey massage on soy Honey. I lucked out as I picked a nice lady.

On to soy 6, all these years, once in a while I would walk up and down the soi, but never partaked. I was never impressed with the quality. Some folks have been advocating it recently for day time action. A few days ago, it was hot late afternoon, hence not too many FLs on beach road, so I decided to try my luck at soy 6. I managed to find a nice girl, who wanted me to buy her a drink, then asked 1200 bahts for ST. After I balked, she lowered her fee to 1 k. She was nice and gave me a decent session. However, I did not like the room upstairs, reminded me of those rooms in Tijuana used by the SWs. I much prefer having a session in my hotel room. The room is already paid up and is much nicer. For now, I will stick to FLs, and may revisit soy 6 another time.

I also checked a few gogos and was disappointed. I went into Phenomeral?, enjoyed the scripted dance, and one of the dancers showed interest but I was done for the night. The place was fairly small but nicely done. I may revisit later. Then, I went to Baccara, a big disappointment. Granted, it was after 10 pm, hence the eye candy may have been checked out, but the remaining girls seemed bored out of their mind. Yet, there was quite a crowd, mostly Koreans and Chinese.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2027513] I much prefer having a session in my hotel room. The room is already paid up and is much nicer. For now, I will stick to FLs, and may revisit soy 6 another time.[/QUOTE]Agree some of the showers and rooms in the Soi 6 bars are less than desirable. Which place did you go to? You can take the Soi 6 girls home for more or less the same price, assuming your hotel is fairly near.

Can't believe the girl tried asking for 1200. A sign of things to come on Soi 6?

Glad you're having fun and thanks for the report.

Can they be barfined? Actual knowledge (rather than the "everyone's got their price") would be appreciated. Returning to Pattaya in two weeks and hope that a particularly lissome, exotic beauty is still on the roster. Saw many agogo girls on that trip, but that one was memorable, and I regret having moved on, and in a somewhat inebriated state, hiring another lass. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Deeepster;2027044]Flying in from Denpasar, hit BKK airport after noon.

Immigration and waiting at baggage belt 50 minutes in total.

Went down to lower ground floor to buy a bus ticket to Pattaya.

Bell bus to Arcea Lodge, arrived after 2,5 hours.

Napped 5 hours and went out for a meal and some pints at Soi Langkee.

Relocated to Windmill and was surprised how few guests in there.

Same sleaze as always, but bored out after two LITs.

Went over to Iron club 11.30, Namtan told me she start her light show at midnight.

Rejected company from some of her colleagues.

It went to a Limhal (never ending story) show but at 1.30 we took a McTaxi stopping at.

LK metro to buy some Pizza slices and Somtam.

Back at the the room the fuzzy story started, we showered together and she went down.

Headed to the bed and after 30 minutes or so she said she had to go to balcony for a zip of fresh air, in Soi Diana.

She hailed out a small water pipe and said lets go together on this.

I told her Big NoNo! If you want you can but not on my balcony, neither in my room.

She told me if so, no more bombom. Angry as a wasp she went and throw 3 x 500 baht bills on the floor.

Dressed and shouted don't you dare tell mamasan here is your BF money, never want to see you again!

Never ever enter Iron again you weak heart.

Anyone here had here or talked to her before?

She told me before she is working at Mona Lisa soi6 until 11 pm and after do her show at Iron club, emailing.

Funny thing is that she left her knicker but brought the plastic bag with SomtamCrab.

Anyone heard about a chick doing duo jobs in sin city?

Confused.

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Just teasing.

There are some crazy girls out there but I never had a problem with a girl on drugs. Even though I am sure it is common.

Stay horny my discombobulated friend.

Uncle-V.

I am in Pattaya for a few days after Sonkran arrive on Sunday form BKK by bus staying at April suite nice new hotel with large room and bed, check out Soi 6 most of bar are closed now only a few girl didn't see anyone that is doable when to Victoria inn for the Sunday cravery buffet 375 bht roast beef is tough very poor quality food, Soi 6 is going down hill every yr last time I got a girl here is back in 2015 and not much FL in beach Road also and quality is poor, I pick up a hottie at Ibar a tall Thai girl want 3000 bht LT settle for 2500 bht a good GFE 3 shots and stay until 11 am after breakfast.

Will check out Lucifer tonight.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2027231]I thought Indian hand gestures and the head movements combined with money were the greatest aphrodisiac of them all?[/QUOTE]Surely and much more, with India being the fastest growing economy in the world.

[QUOTE=CoolMumbai;2026015]Hi everyone,

Requesting some tips from experts. Have done my research here plus online, still hope to receive some valuable tips.

Being Indian (38 years, physically quite fit), seems I will have to work hard to get great ladies. (good clothing, cologne, treating working women as humans, good budget-ticked) Hope you guys don't have preconceived notions me being an Indian.

Will be in Pattaya in first week of May. Staying at Siam. Me plus one friend. Do we need to split or 2 is OK?

Planning to experience following.

Soapy. Rasputin. BJ bar. Club104 or some on Soi6. Oily. Whatever strikes on way.

Gogos. Not much inclined. Maybe visit Windmill and whatsapp..[/QUOTE]I was in Windmill on Tuesday night and spotted some Indian Mongers living it up. It appeared to me they were being very good and liked by purchasing Ladie drinks etc.

They were dressed very well and were having a lot of fun with the girls. As far as PSE goes I also spoke to an Indian enthusiast during a stroll through LK and he spoke quite highly about the service he got in Devils Den, he also commented that some Go Go's were unfriendly to him and he claimed it was because he was Indian. He did not elaborate on the establishments. From what I saw I noticed quite a few Mongers from India doing the rounds and they all appeared to be smiling 555,but who doesn't have a smile on their faces whilst getting involved in Sin City 555.

I hope this helps. Come with your cash and you can have whatever you want. It doesn't matter what colour you are. Just don't give the impression you are the kind of fellow that will take a girl back to your loom and share her with seven of your buddies. You may be able to get a girl to agree to you and your friend to double up on her, again be prepared to Bring Baht.

Come and enjoy and keep smiling.

It really is a magical place.

I just finished four blissful days in Pattaya. I liked it a lot and will be back in a few days. Right now I'm in Phuket mostly for the diving but will also check out what it has to offer. More on that later.

I stayed at the LK Empress. I liked the place but I might be too easy.

Positives. Right on Beach Rd, balcony overlooking the street, I could literally pick up freelancers without leaving my room. The room was very nice with a very ornate ceiling that I'm sure the girls enjoyed looked at while I pumped them. The place has an awesome breakfast buffet that I got with the room.

Negatives. The shower really never got warm. The A/C never shut off. I had to keep the balcony door open to keep from freezing. They charge for girls and don't allow under 20 (I actually have no idea what the legal age is in Thailand, probably should look that up). My room wasn't entered off the lobby so I was never charged.

Over the four days I had four girls up to the room, all Beach Rd FLs. The first three were for 800 B, the last was 1000 B. The last one was by far the worst so there's no correlation for what you pay. They were all supposed to be ST, but the 1st night the girl was just tired and crashed out in my bed.

I wandered around town and checked out the go go bars on walking street. Not really my thing. Went to Soi 6, not sure I'd like that either but I might give it another try next week. I think the Beach Rd freelancers may be more my style. I just don't like to put a lot of time into the process. I'd rather get them in, get on them, and get them out.

Next week I'm at the Baraquda. That should be a very different scene from Beach Rd.

Whilst walking around Pratumnak I stumbled across a sign directing to "Heaven Gentlemen's Club". I walked past and noticed it was open (approx 2 PM) I did not go in as I was with someone. Has anyone spent some time there? Looks like a good option for an early start. Further research shows it's like a pool party type situation??

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2027543]Can they be barfined? Actual knowledge (rather than the "everyone's got their price") would be appreciated. Returning to Pattaya in two weeks and hope that a particularly lissome, exotic beauty is still on the roster. Saw many agogo girls on that trip, but that one was memorable, and I regret having moved on, and in a somewhat inebriated state, hiring another lass. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes. One told me it would be 3 k ST and 5 LT. Or maybe she didn't mention LT, can' recall, but it's the same rate as the other girls I think.

Anyone know the going "long long time" rate for an ibar stunner, or a girl who is just shy of being a stunner (like an 8. 5 or 9)? Said girl I want to take for a week is very popular with both the mongers and the locals. I saw her (and her other near-stunner friend) get hit on by every guy on walking street when I left them outside and to go buy something in 7/11, before heading to room. I normally pay her 1. 5 k-2 k for LT (sleep over, 1 pop in before sleeping and 1 in the morning then she's off). And I pay her 1 k for ST on soi 6 (where I actually found her first). She no longer works on soi 6, maybe has a sponsor or enough social media contacts for steady stream of customers.

I offered 4 k baht for all day, for a 2 day trial period, with a 4 hour break to go home and do whatever each day. Deal didn't go through. I'm guess 4 k baht for next-day+night LT (20 hours) ibar stunner is too low? I'm not experienced with the ibar scene so just want to figure what a good price is.

[QUOTE=HorneeFalang;2027735]Whilst walking around Pratumnak I stumbled across a sign directing to "Heaven Gentlemen's Club". I walked past and noticed it was open (approx 2 PM) I did not go in as I was with someone. Has anyone spent some time there? Looks like a good option for an early start. Further research shows it's like a pool party type situation??[/QUOTE]Funny that you are on a monger board and knew about walking the hill for exercise, but did not know about Heaven. It is the same as any other place. Go inside and choose a girl and go to a room. I have seen the pool there, but have never seen anyone outside at it.

I'm sure you've done your research but nearby Kinnaree is likely a better bet on Pratumnak Hill.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2027802]
I offered 4 k baht for all day, for a 2 day trial period, with a 4 hour break to go home and do whatever each day. Deal didn't go through. I'm guess 4 k baht for next-day+night LT (20 hours) ibar stunner is too low? I'm not experienced with the ibar scene so just want to figure what a good price is.[/QUOTE]I am surprised that you care what other guys think is a good price. It's bound to be lowball price. The girl knows best how much she wants, if she wants to do it at all.

As you say, the price for the average non-stunner is likely to be lower. How many STs does your girl typically get done in a night? Think about how much money she makes, then think about the inconvenience of having only 4 hours of the day to herself. She is going to charge for that inconvenience.

It matters little what others think, its how much she is worth to you. 4 K isn't getting it done. Is having all of a girls time worth more to you? Probably it isn't to me. I don't do these all day deals any more. I certainly used to many years ago, but if a girl stays with you too much, there is the danger of gradually turning into a girlfriend. It is handy to take girls with you on a holiday if it is a non monger destination.

Is your real purpose, purely to ensure that some other guy has not taken her and she stays available to you? A good reason, but you have to pay to keep the other dogs off. I know it is real annoying when you want a particular girl and too many other guys also want her. LOL.

What if she has some other high priority guy already and wants to keep her freedom? Might cost a lot to overcome that. What if she has a Thai boy? What if her period is due? Lot of possible problems to consider. I recall in the past needing to know girls' period times before taking them on holiday.

Try for a single whole day first, and see if that goes well and price is O.K. Then see if you both want to extend to another.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2027802]Anyone know the going "long long time" rate for an ibar stunner, or a girl who is just shy of being a stunner (like an 8. 5 or 9)? Said girl I want to take for a week is very popular with both the mongers and the locals. I saw her (and her other near-stunner friend) get hit on by every guy on walking street when I left them outside and to go buy something in 7/11, before heading to room. I normally pay her 1. 5 k-2 k for LT (sleep over, 1 pop in before sleeping and 1 in the morning then she's off). And I pay her 1 k for ST on soi 6 (where I actually found her first). She no longer works on soi 6, maybe has a sponsor or enough social media contacts for steady stream of customers.

I offered 4 k baht for all day, for a 2 day trial period, with a 4 hour break to go home and do whatever each day. Deal didn't go through. I'm guess 4 k baht for next-day+night LT (20 hours) ibar stunner is too low? I'm not experienced with the ibar scene so just want to figure what a good price is.[/QUOTE]To Parkviller.

I was at Ibar 2 night ago pick up a tall hottie for 2500 bht all night she want 3000 bht first very GFE, I know some stunner want up to 5000 bht but I won't paid that but some high roller will and they know she can get it so they will not settle for less, soi 6 most bar is closed down so most of the girl have move on to better things so now only the ugly one are left.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2027802]Anyone know the going "long long time" rate for an ibar stunner, or a girl who is just shy of being a stunner (like an 8. 5 or 9)? Said girl I want to take for a week is very popular with both the mongers and the locals. I saw her (and her other near-stunner friend) get hit on by every guy on walking street when I left them outside and to go buy something in 7/11, before heading to room. I normally pay her 1. 5 k-2 k for LT (sleep over, 1 pop in before sleeping and 1 in the morning then she's off). And I pay her 1 k for ST on soi 6 (where I actually found her first). She no longer works on soi 6, maybe has a sponsor or enough social media contacts for steady stream of customers.

I offered 4 k baht for all day, for a 2 day trial period, with a 4 hour break to go home and do whatever each day. Deal didn't go through. I'm guess 4 k baht for next-day+night LT (20 hours) ibar stunner is too low? I'm not experienced with the ibar scene so just want to figure what a good price is.[/QUOTE]What you said was very confusing. Are you saying you have already been with this girl for both ST and a LT, and you were trying to set up a trial period of 2 days. And, did you actually tell her that " trial period " with the intent for wanting a week with her?

If the above is true, and she turned down your offer of 4 K, then I would suggest that for whatever reason she does not want to go with you.

Pattaya Trip Report, Day 1 (Sunday).

Being from the USA, my standard operation is to depart from the US out of LAX via EVA airline's elite class, travel to Taipei and then on to Bangkok. The trip from LAX to Taipei is about 13 to 14 hours, then 3. 5 hours from Taipei to Bangkok, with a 3 to 4 hour layover. It is not an overly grueling journey when you fly Elite class and get to use the airline's lounge for the layover (even though the Taipei EVA lounge is not very good), but still tiring. By rushing to get in the immigration line, I actually made it out in time to take The 12 PM Bell bus to Pattaya if I had a ticket. I rushed down to where bus tickets are sold, not optimistic that I could find the alleged Bell counter than has eluded me for several trips now, but I went to the ticket counter to where other bus tickets are sold and asked where I could get Bell tickets. The lady, in poor English, seemed to be pointing me where to go, but I found nothing. I did go outside and found the Bell bus I wanted to be on, and I went to the driver to inquire, but the same lady who attempted to direct me someplace came out to speak with the driver, and told me I was too late. Argh. She pointed me back inside to get a later ticket, but I don't want to ride some old, rickety bus. That is what happened the last time I bought a ticket from that place. No thinks. I will stick with Bell. I ended up taking a taxi down to Pattaya and to my hotel. The trip to Pattaya went well but the Pattaya city traffic was bad, so we didn't reach the hotel until about 2 PM.

Normally, I try to rest for a bit, usually failing to actually fall asleep, but this time I did fall asleep, not waking up until about 6 PM. My plan was to visit the Full Moon Bar and see if Deah was in. Deah was a super hottie I saw twice on my last visit. Being so beautiful I figured she might now be on Walking Street, if not living off several foreign dudes. Arriving on Soi 6 via Baht Bus, I beelined to the bar to and inquire and was told there were two Deah's there, one of whom was sitting right there at the moment, and the one I think I want out but who might be back in a week or so. The Deah who was there wasn't too bad, with her main attributes being a set of DDs and blonde hair. I contemplated Big Boobed Deah, but I was in the mood for petite Thai and though I would save her for later.

The pickings along Soi 6 not too bad. As always, plenty of fatties, but there were a few nice ones to choose from, but no one outstanding. I walked all the way down to BR then turned around to take a second pass. A pretty girl at Foxy Bar, Noi, gave me the eye and she was quite attractive so I went over. I believe I have seen a Noi on Soi 6 before, but not this particular Noi (I don't think anyway). She had long hair, slender and said she was 23. She was dressed in black, with a black netting of sorts over her body, covering black shorts, but giving her a classy look. I had to wonder if that covering also covered a failing body? I bought her a drink and she warned up with me, and soon we were holding each other kissing. I was a bit apprehensive after I learned she had two kids, and by feeling her body I could tell she was not quite a spinner anymore, but things seemed firmed enough and she had a pretty face and was making the right moves, so I decided to go for it with her. Upstairs with the clothes off, her body was starting going downhill, sad to say, but was still quite acceptable. She took her time, gave a nice BBBJ, FK, FIV, and got wet on her own and really seemed to enjoy the session. On went the condom and, or course, condoms take so much of the feeling away, but it has been so long, I managed to release deep inside her. It was an enjoyable session, with going for the standard 1000 Thai Baht and the bar fine being above standard at 350. Fortunately, the problems of a month or two ago with not being able to use the upstairs rooms has been resolved.

Before I proceed, let me address my philosophy in my reporting about condoms and coming this time. If you have followed my past reports, a year or so ago I started reporting on my difficulty coming with condoms, and last November I reported on some bareback encounters I had, in which after trying for 30 to 40 minutes to come with a condom, when bareback was offered I found I could then come in under 30 seconds. Fortunately, I caught noting from those encounters, but I did raise a bit of debate over the practice of going bare, though I pretty refused to name those I engaged in it with as I didn't want others to go to them to demand what was freely offered to me. I really don't want to condone the risky practice of going bare with hookers, and I don't want to feel like I am encouraging it in any way by reporting on it. Nor do I want to be tempted in the slightest to go bare just so I can report on it here. So, except in some special situations, I will not report on any bare encounters, nor do I really hope to engage in many. I am not married, but I may wish to be at some point again, and a case of HSV is limiting in that regard. For me, having such great difficulty coming with a condom is so very frustrating that the temptation factor is high, but the one thing I do not want to do is to encourage others to take risks. I am preaching to myself here -.

Bare feels soooo wonderful, but not enough to make up for the pain and loss of freedom due to a said HSV infection. Anyway, do notassume Noi gave bare sex here and that is why I bring this up. She did not. Also, do not assume that if I report that I came with a provider that it was because she offered bare sex.

Sorry for that distraction.

After leaving Noi I took a baht bus to WS. I am guessing, but the time was maybe around 8 to 9 PM. BR was full of FL girls, with a few really attractive ones. I really had no plans at this point, but figured I would get some exercise in by waking WS a few times, grabbing a bite as I was hungry, maybe stopping in at the Peppermint to say Hi to the mamasan and see if Fon was working, then do whatever. No plans.

I did eat some fried rice at the NY place next to iBar, then I did step into the Peppermint. Going in there I know will cost me money, not because of bar fines, but because I have inadvertently developed a reputation as a bit of a spender with several ladies and the mamasan. There is one girl, a tad chubby, who latches on to me, and she brings a friend over, then the mamasan comes over, then the waiter or two gets involved, and money get tossed out, and I can wind up with a sizeable bill. It is not their fault as I allow it to happen, and I could turn the spigot off at any time but I guess part of me enjoys it. I can afford it, and this is the only place I am lose with the drinks and handouts, so whatever.

Last time I was there in November the mamasan had invited me to her birthday party, but I skipped out. I figured she would have forgotten by now but, no, when she saw me she came over and asked why I didn't attend. Well. But she was ok with it. While WS was fairly busy, the club wasn't so much. She pointed out some attractive girls and made some suggestions for bar fining. The chubby girl wasn't working so she didn't bug me, but another girl came over so there was three LD's and some cash thrown out just like that. I got out of there after just one round of drinks at least. I was actually not feeling all that well, being quite tired if not still a little clogged in the nose. I said I was going back to my hotel to sleep but actually.

I walked past iBar and found it comfortably full, but not packed. I guess we are in Low Season, and on a Sunday night it was showing. I stepped in to Red Car (or is it called Walking Street?? I will call it Red Car.) It was about midnight and not too busy either. I did not check any other places. Prior to leaving, I stopped to get some ice cream at that place across from Frog Bar to people watch. I saw a youngish couple approaching and the girl looked really sad, or was she mad, or. Then she literally projectile-pukes out a ton of frothing pink liquid. Fortunately she hits a drain grating, then she pukes again and yet again. Her friend was very caring and they soon move on, but wow. Strangest puke I have ever seen. Literally, pink puke. Of course, after seeing that, you have to sit and watch to see if anyone steps in it!

I then leave and walk back to my hotel on the beach side of BR. Not quite as many FL girls out, but I did see a handful of doable girls. Actually, I saw one that was pretty hot, but she had the look that while hot, she might not be that fun. I passed her by, then turned and crossed the street to return to my hotel. But it was not even 1 AM yet and I didn't want to go to bed too early, so I thought a massage would be nice. I went over the Soi 13/1 and found Ahm at Miss Massage. She was older, perhaps approaching 40, but a spinner body that was amazing. There was a younger woman there, but the body won me over. I have only done one Soi 13/ x massage place before and only got a brief HJ (more than that was quite expensive), but keep reading these places offer it all. Ahm gave a gentle massage which was what I needed and I was fighting to not pass out form being so tired. She started teasing my dick and asked if I wanted her to continue and it felt good so I said sure. But her clothes stayed on and she offered nothing more and I was tired so after 5 minutes of some nice rubbing I told her to stop. We teased each other a little after that with some very brief simulated doggie and standing from behind, but no offer or indication of anything more. The massage was 300 and I tipped her 500 for being a good sport, but I really don't know what an appropriate tip should be.

Walking down the street back to BR that hot FL girl came by. I guess she was hanging it up for the night. I was surprised that she had not found a customer, but maybe the attitude she projected ruined it for her, or maybe she already had a few. Don't know, but if I see her again I might give her a try. Anyway, back at the hotel I showered and hopped into bed, hoping to sleep until at least 10 AM.

To recap Day 1, Noi at Roxy for 350/1000 for a great, semi-GFE session, then 300/500 at Miss Massage for a HJ on Soi 13/1. I do feel a bit more jet-lagged than normal, and I trying to get over some allergies, but hope to be up to full speed tomorrow!

[QUOTE=Haven123;2028034]What you said was very confusing. Are you saying you have already been with this girl for both ST and a LT, and you were trying to set up a trial period of 2 days. And, did you actually tell her that " trial period " with the intent for wanting a week with her?

If the above is true, and she turned down your offer of 4 K, then I would suggest that for whatever reason she does not want to go with you.[/QUOTE]I think 4 k is a fair offer but you would have to catch her during a drought when she needs quick cash. Weekends and high season she would be less inclined. If she has no problem lining up clientele she would be better off lining up 5ST sessions a day at 3 k a pop. You've already had the privilege of sampling the menu so my mentor Mr. E would recommend moving on to another girl. She probably has Western Union boyfriends that allow her the luxury to choose when she wants to work. The best advice is the one the girls give which is "up to you". Do you want to get in a bidding war for her services? It usually doesn't end well unless you're a wealthy businessman. There is a darkskin girl on the beach who at best would be a and is on the wrong side of 30 and she pulls in 5 k a day and does not do short time. Her reputation is built on service. A Thai chick with top 5% looks would be selling herself short with 4k on a continual basis. A high demand or fair weather girl can put holes in your trip because the chances of them flaking is high because they have friends and options.

Syzygies made me realize that you have to take her out of the hotel / condo sometime. That's when incidentals creep up on you. You take her to the mall for dinner. Then all of a sudden your potential girlfriend sees a purse and some shoes she likes (or worse jewelry). Now your 4k date has ballooned into a 12 k date and that doesn't include the alcohol to stop her from getting bored. Seems you had a good thing going with ST and LT. Long long time makes sense if you're in an aforementioned non-monger locale.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2027882]I am surprised that you care what other guys think is a good price. It's bound to be lowball price. The girl knows best how much she wants, if she wants to do it at all.

As you say, the price for the average non-stunner is likely to be lower. How many STs does your girl typically get done in a night? Think about how much money she makes, then think about the inconvenience of having only 4 hours of the day to herself. She is going to charge for that inconvenience.

It matters little what others think, its how much she is worth to you. 4 K isn't getting it done. Is having all of a girls time worth more to you? Probably it isn't to me. I don't do these all day deals any more. I certainly used to many years ago, but if a girl stays with you too much, there is the danger of gradually turning into a girlfriend. It is handy to take girls with you on a holiday if it is a non monger destination.

Is your real purpose, purely to ensure that some other guy has not taken her and she stays available to you? A good reason, but you have to pay to keep the other dogs off. I know it is real annoying when you want a particular girl and too many other guys also want her. LOL..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2027559]Your story is very disjointed and hard to follow. Are you sure you didn't take a hit off that pipe? 555.

Just teasing.

There are some crazy girls out there but I never had a problem with a girl on drugs. Even though I am sure it is common.

Stay horny my discombobulated friend.

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]Tease as much as you want. Using the enter button is a big sin reading / publish here. I'm soooo sorry. Noo I did not smoke, she return to ask if wanted a recession. I did ask her to leave her knickers don't wanted in return.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2028064]Pattaya Trip Report, Day 1 (Sunday).
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[/QUOTE]If flying Elite on EVA is your custom, you might inquire as to whether the airline provides a chit to get in the express queue at Suvarnabhumi. Emirates first and business class do (present your air ticket to the customs / immigration). Keep the reports coming!

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2028225]If flying Elite on EVA is your custom, you might inquire as to whether the airline provides a chit to get in the express queue at Suvarnabhumi. Emirates first and business class do (present your air ticket to the customs / immigration). Keep the reports coming![/QUOTE]ANA also hands out Premium Lane access cards to Business and First customers. Very nice perk. And the Premium Lane is available for free for those mongers over the age of 70.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2028064]Pattaya Trip Report, Day 1 (Sunday).

If you have followed my past reports, a year or so ago I started reporting on my difficulty coming with condoms, and last November I reported on some bareback encounters I had, in which after trying for 30 to 40 minutes to come with a condom, when bareback was offered I found I could then come in under 30 seconds..[/QUOTE]A couple of thoughts, which you've maybe already tried, but in case not I'll offer them:

Try a larger condom, it can make a big difference. Sagami 002 large is a good option, and can be found in some pharmacies in Pattaya (such as the pharmacy in the shopping center).

Try more / better lubrication.

FL Hawk, dude weather you go bareback or not is no concern of mine. However I need to ask if you have your abbreviations mixed up? Because HSV is spread by skin to skin contact and is easily caught even using a condom if your partner is having an out break or if she is in the process of scaling which shows no signs.

I head to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] last night didn't see anyone decent all fat chubby girl when I walk past OM bar a few place down I saw a tall nice looking girl her name is mina.

She is new in town only been in town for 3 days from Rayong she want 2000 bht all night is early about 8 pm settle for 1500 and 400 bar fine very GFE experience.

Stay until 9 am next morning she is new to the game so I have to train her a bit but good attitude.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2028238]A couple of thoughts, which you've maybe already tried, but in case not I'll offer them:

Try a larger condom, it can make a big difference. Sagami 002 large is a good option, and can be found in some pharmacies in Pattaya (such as the pharmacy in the shopping center).

Try more / better lubrication.[/QUOTE]These are what I am using. Definitely need to keep lubricated or they WILL break. Most unreliable condom I have ever used, but all of the thin ones have this problem to some degree.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2028247]FL Hawk, dude weather you go bareback or not is no concern of mine. However I need to ask if you have your abbreviations mixed up? Because HSV is spread by skin to skin contact and is easily caught even using a condom if your partner is having an out break or if she is in the process of scaling which shows no signs.[/QUOTE]I am quite aware, and this is why HSV is so worrisome. As you would seem to indicate, bare or not, HSV is always a concern.

DAY 2 (Monday).

Well, I was hoping to sleep until at least 10 AM, but I was wide awake at 8:30 for my first morning in Pattaya. I went to breakfast, then rested a bit. I am getting over an allergy but still feeling tired with a slightly running nose and light coughing. I have been reading here of some who dislike Soi 6 for various reasons, all of them perfectly valid. But I love this street. I am a tad put off with the bed sheets not being cleaned each time, and the bathrooms / showers. So I quite understand guys having an issue there. I might have an issue as well if I thought about it, but I try to not for, if I did, I would probably mostly avoid the place too. It helps knowing that everyone who lies on those sheets has at least had a shower! But on Soi 6, you can find some diamonds in the rough, and one thing I will occasionally do is start at one end of the street and partake sexually of two or three girls, one after another, as I progress down to the street's end. It is not an issue so much of money – I am quite ok in that department – but the shear joy of having so many young, lovely Asian girls who really do want to have sex with you (for money of course) with, usually, great attitudes, for less than $40! Where else?

One thing I don't like about Soi 6 in the afternoon is the blinding sun that is in your eyes as your progress from east to west. It makes looking at the girls difficult unless maybe you wear a baseball hat or walk along holding a hand up to shade your eyes. Rather than squint, I often do a quick walk down to BR then turn around and do a more detailed review of what is available on the return walk.

So, on such a trip back I was attracted to a cute spinner, Amy, at the Pussy Club. Relatively tall, very skinny but not to an unhealthy extent, and quite cute, I met Amy. She was 24, I think she said, or maybe it was 22. We talked for a while and she started to warm up to me. She said she was hung over from the previous night but still was lively and she gave me the impression she might be fun in bed, even if slightly hung over, so I asked her if she wanted to go upstairs. Of course she did, and asked if I wanted a shower and when I said yes, she directed me to a shower room and said go ahead. Um, ok, so I go take a shower alone. Only once before has this happened on Soi 6 and the following session was not a good one. So I showered and when we met back up she revealed a tight and toned body bearing no signs of fat or childbirth. We had a nice foreplay session where she exhibited some playfulness. Her breasts were small, but nicely shaped for the size. She was closely shaved and we enjoyed some kissing and touching. No BJ offered. The condom went on and she climbed on slowly, easing herself onto me. The sex was good. Not outstanding, but good. Despite me not writing all that much about her here, she was fun and I would rate her as being a semi-GFE overall. Of course I did not come with her, and she was sad, but whatever. We had never talked price (I am not even sure what the bar fine was – probably 300 or maybe 350), but I gave her 1000 and no tip. Not sure if she wished for a little more as she apologized again for not getting me off, but it wasn't her fault, but she really did nothing above and beyond to deserve a tip. She was fun, but not sure I will do her again.

I left and continued by walk to the east and passed a cute girl at Kawaii. She smiled and I kept walking, not really sure at first glance if I wanted to stop yet. But I turned around and she was still looking at me smiling. I kept walking, though thinking she really wasn't bad looking. I turned around again and she was still looking at me, but had her hand up cured up held to her eye, making it like a telescope, looking at me. I laughed, walked a few steps more, then figured she was really kind of cute and I turned around to go talk her. She knew I was American due to my accent. I asked how she knew my accent was American and she said she had an American ex-BF, and it turns out he has my same first name and lived in the same state I live in. What are the odds? I don't know how they met, but they fell in love and he was giving her money to go to go school to study business and was going to marry her. He had, three times, applied for visas for her, even a fiancé visa and even as a student, but they had been declined each time. The BF then, he alleges and she believes, found out he had cancer and was likely to die, and he allegedly didn't want her to deal with it as he wife / GF. She said she was willing to deal with it, but that he cut off contact with her, even though his mother has told her he is, allegedly doing poorly. So, with this loss of support, she has to support herself. She comes to Pattay during school holidays to work so she can make money to be an account / CPA. And like so many Thai women, she is stuck supporting both her mother and her grandmother. She has a brother in the army that can't or won't contribute, as well as a younger sister who is unable to help. I do admire her for taking responsibility of the situation, but feel sad that her life could (supposedly) be so much better had the BF not gotten sick. (Of course, cynical me, wonders if the BF is lying and is actually doing fine. Not sure I could push away a woman I was about to marry due to an illness, though I do understand the motivation if the story is true.).

She explained also that at the club the girls get paid once a month, and if you quit before the pay day you don't get paid. She mentioned this, saying she had wanted to leave the place but is staying so she can get her money. Seems wrong that you can't get paid for what you work despite quitting. The clear indication is she is not especially happy to be working in this business, is sad that he life has been somewhat turned upside down, but yet, she says she is happy and she did indeed display a great attitude.

Anyway, she was indeed very pretty with a great figure and legs and nice face with a great smile. I knew I had to have her, though she acted a bit shy. I asked if she wanted to go upstairs and she hesitated, saying she wasn't sure if she could. Well, I said, if you don't like me that is ok. She said it wasn't that, but I guess related to the police raids. She asked the mamasan and of course it was ok, and she seemed happy with that response, so up we went. She asked if I wanted a shower and I said yes then, again, the shower was pointed out to me and I was told to use the water in a big barrel. What, no hot water through a faucet? Ugh. The water was not cold, but the first few splashed brought some shivers, but after that it felt fine. But still, I have shower alone by splashing water cool water with a dish on myself, then splash water to rinse off the soap? She went to a second room and cleaned herself up, and I met her back in the room, her lying on the bed with a towel wrapped around her. She said she was shy and she was. I lay down next to her and we engaged in some nice touching and light kissing and the towel she had wrapped around her was finally removed. I had taken an half of an Apcalis (generic Cialis) pill earlier at the hotel, and it was working (it should work a day or so) and she rubbed me a to full erection. She did have a very good body. No kids, flat stomach, small breasts that she was self-conscious over, but they looked fine, slender but not skinny body, and great figure and legs. No BJ as she had braces, or maybe it was a retainer or some sort. The condom went on and I went in and even with the condom she felt wonderful, relatively, and I was thinking that I might be able to come. We started out with us laying on our sides facing each other, then moved to missionary and then on to doggie, but she was drying out and then the condom broke. Sheesh. I had no more and had to use hers, which were awful. I couldn't feel a thing hardly, and without any lube, it went downhill so I gave up. Anyway, she mentioned our time was about up and they get fined if they go over. Never heard that one before and it had not been that long. She said was sorry she couldn't get me to come, saying many men complain about condoms. I told her I was clean but that she certainly couldn't trust us guys and to never give in just because we said we were safe. Many have gotten a virus by trusting strangers. She said she was tested and was clean (but I don't think they test for HSV! But there was no discussion about going bareback.

Despite her possibly giving me the boot early, I like this girl, Ploy, and may see her again. With her good English, taking her LT might be productive and fun, and though she gave a pretty good performance, on a second visit and especially away from Soi 6, she might open up. I do not know the bar fine here or standard rate here – I I just paid the bill along with the drinks and gave her 1200 as I liked her. Not quite up to the near-GFE level due to no BJ and the mention about time limits, but she was easy to talk to and she had a good attitude for being in the situation she is in.

Leaving her behind the sun was close to setting so I headed back to my hotel. I was thinking of grabbing my camera to get some sunset shots, but I started writing this report to get some info down and before I knew it, it was dark. My nose was really clogged and I had a slight heartache, so I decided to nap for a bit. I woke up around 9 pm, a good time, and decided to go down to BR and look for FL girls. There was a fair number out and a few really cute girls. I made a couple of passes and decided to approach this blonde spinner. This was not the girl I saw the previous day with a presumed attitude, but this one also seemed to have an attitude that made her sexy even though you suspect she will be a star fish, but you will risk her as she is so sexy and you hope she will be that **** in bed you always dreamed off. I made several passes and she remained untaken, so I went over and said Hi. She almost seemed surprised I came over. She said Hello, back but then would not even look at me. I made another comment but was basically ignored so, wow, was this girl actually a FLer? Well, duh, she had to be, or why else had she been standing here for so long? But hey, if she didn't want me, fine, but getting declined by a streetwalker is surprising. I soon found another suitable girl. She was very pretty, but she also seemed distant when I went over, and I think she was willing to go with me, but I was not getting good vibes. With the bad vibes I said farewell and tried another girl, very cute, and the same thing happened! What the. ? Oh well, and since I was close to WS at that point, I decided to head on down and step into Red Car at least.

It was after midnight and while the place was comfortably full, it was not packed. I found a table to sit down at, ordered a non-alcholic Bangkok Breeze, and waited to see what might happen. When I walked in at first, on the southern side of the room was a single, geeky-looking girl in glasses. She was enjoying herself dancing alone to the music. She really wasn't all that bad looking and I don't think I have ever had a geeky-looking girl before, at least not like her. I suspected she might remain alone and would be happy for me to talk to her. I ended up sitting directly across the room from her on the north side, and without any intention on my part, was able to have a fairly unobstructed view of her. To my left was a really cute Thai girl in short shorts dancing away. She would be nice to go home with, but she seemed to be entertaining some dude, but she was definitely sexy. Then two ladies come in a take a table next to mine. One is a bit chubby though the other is not too bad and she had nice boobs. I might do her, but not the chubby one. But after a bit the chubby one says Hello, and asks where I am from, then if I am alone and if I have any friends. She pretty much ignored me after that, possibly waiting on me to make my moves, which was fine with me. Meanwhile, the geeky girl is really going at her dancing and she may have noticed me a few times, but I stay put to see what happens, thinking I might get up and go over to her before I leave if she remains alone. Then two more girls come in and they are friends of the two who are next to me. One is young and really cute who has me drooling when she starts dancing, alone, to the music, maybe just a foot or two away. The other is older, maybe 35, short hair, more sophisticated looking and, as it turns out, on the hunt for a dude. She turns around, smiles at me, and asks me to massage her neck. Well, ok. Her name is Pat and she says she is in town for a few days visiting her friends. She gets me to dance in place with her, and quickly we are touching and grinding. A dude sitting at the bar is watching us as well as the cutie, clearly wanting some action too. He approaches the cutie but she rejects him. In fact, of the 4 friends, Pat is the only one who has shown any interest in a man. Around 2 AM Pat asks if she can come spend the night with me and, duh, I say sure. I should add that I bought all of them drinks, and I think that helped win me over with them. She and the cutie gets ready to leave and the chubby girl smiles and gives me the thumbs up. The geek has apparently left, alone. Exiting the club, the cutie goes off and Pat and I head to my hotel.

You never know how these girls will perform, and at the hotel she actered tired and less intense. We showered together and, in bed, she asked for a massage and I could tell she was tired. Or bored. But when I finished she turned over, asked me if I had a condom, and then she started a slow, very nice BBBJ. Not the greatest, but not bad at all. I liked her going slow and gentle. When it came time for the condom, I added a little lube to the tip of my Johnson before rolling on the condom. It added a bit to the outside as well and when I entered her in Missionary, it slid right it. It felt good and I wondered if I would come with her. That seems to be a common thought of mine, isn't it? The lube inside I think made things feel better, so I thought I had a chance. Long story short, I did pull it off.

I showered but she curled up to sleep. After not too long, she started coughing. It sounded pretty real, but who knows? Then after a bit she said she needed to leave, that she would see a doctor in the morning. Ok. Fine. She doesn't want to sleep with me for whatever reason and, really, I didn't care if she left or not. Mornings can be awkward with a girl. We have a slight discussion about rates and her leaving early, then she departs at about 3:30 am.

I only could get in a few hours sleep and was wide awake by 8 AM, even though still drowsy. I headed out to breakfast before coming back to write this all down, though I feel like I will need another nap soon. Maybe I am jet lagged afterall? And I am getting a headache back. Possibly a caffeine headache? I have cut down on my caffeinated beverages. But I had this kind of headache along with my allergies. And my BMs were, well, I don't need to go into too much detail here, but it appeared I might be a tad bit sick. Not really constipated, certainly no diarrhea. I started popping some Motrin and went out to get some loratadine as I was also getting some post nasal drip. Sigh.

But to recap the day, I was with two cute Soi 6 girls, Amy and Ploy, for 1000 each and either a 300 or 350 BF. Then Pat, a Red Car FL, for an overpriced 2000. Good sex, but she skipped out on me, so never again with her. And, as a surprise, I was declined by a BR FL girl, and two others also showed some attitude that, really, makes me wonder if I rejected them or they rejected me.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2028555]DAY 2 (Monday).
***
Despite her possibly giving me the boot early, I like this girl, Ploy, and may see her again. With her good English, taking her LT might be productive and fun, and though she gave a pretty good performance, on a second visit and especially away from Soi 6, she might open up.
***[/QUOTE]A number of years ago (my last time in Pattaya) I also liked Soi 6 the most and had the most success there. But I was amazed how this place changed every day (and sometimes from afternoon to the night) with the different girls available. So how will you be looking for Ploy, if the memory of her wakes up the strength of your little friend?

Also, I was very alarmed with your.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2028555]DAY 2 (Monday).
*** I asked if she wanted to go upstairs and she hesitated, saying she wasn't sure if she could. Well, I said, if you don't like me that is ok. She said it wasn't that, but I guess related to the police raids.
***[/QUOTE]-- ah, WTF?! LE got into action?? Anyone knows about this? Should I worry next week? .

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2028555]DAY 2 (Monday).

One thing I don't like about Soi 6 in the afternoon is the blinding sun that is in your eyes as your progress from east to west. It makes looking at the girls difficult unless maybe you wear a baseball hat or walk along holding a hand up to shade your eyes. Rather than squint, I often do a quick walk down to BR then turn around and do a more detailed review of what is available on the return walk.[/QUOTE]It is small details like these, many times overlooked, however can make a good evening much better for a first time visitor to any place. Thanks for sharing and a detailed report. Glad to see you had a good time.

[QUOTE=YuriB;2028639]-- ah, WTF?! LE got into action?? Anyone knows about this? Should I worry next week? .[/QUOTE]Well documented, Yuri. Pattaya trying to clean up because of some stupid British tabloid no one in the world reads other than Brits. Everything is back to normal now. You can bring your Soi 6 girls back to your hotel.

Always fun reads, FL. Thanks for the effort you put into this board.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2028555]I showered but she curled up to sleep. After not too long, she started coughing. It sounded pretty real, but who knows? Then after a bit she said she needed to leave, that she would see a doctor in the morning. Ok. Fine. She doesn't want to sleep with me for whatever reason and, really, I didn't care if she left or not. [/QUOTE]They all catch that dreaded cough when they want to head home. Last one that did it to me had to go to the hospital, 20 minutes later she was alright. Must have been a hospital really close by with alot of doctors on call at 4 am. In my mind that voids any negotiated price you may have worked out beforehand. Pay her what you think is fair and call it a night.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2028238]... Sagami 002 large is a good option, and can be found in some pharmacies in Pattaya (such as the pharmacy in the shopping center).

Try more / better lubrication.[/QUOTE]Can you please be more specific about which shopping center you are talking about. Is it Central Festival? I use the Sagami 002 but ran out. I checked several pharmacies and none of them carry the 002's. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2028777]Can you please be more specific about which shopping center you are talking about. Is it Central Festival? I use the Sagami 002 but ran out. I checked several pharmacies and none of them carry the 002's. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I was perusing the condom section at Boots Pharmacy yesterday in Royal Garden when I noticed some Sagami branded products. One small packet and another larger packet. Boots is on the floor one level up from the ground and at the beach Road end. Middle aisle. Can't say if it is the size you are after though. Maybe not.

[QUOTE=YuriB;2028639]A number of years ago (my last time in Pattaya) I also liked Soi 6 the most and had the most success there. But I was amazed how this place changed every day (and sometimes from afternoon to the night) with the different girls available. So how will you be looking for Ploy, if the memory of her wakes up the strength of your little friend?

Also, I was very alarmed with your.

-- ah, WTF?! LE got into action?? Anyone knows about this? Should I worry next week? .[/QUOTE]No, no worries. This is from the past. I really have no idea why she mentioned it. If she didn't want to be with me she would have not have gone to ask the mamasan. Or maybe she at first wanted LT so she could leave that place. This was a girl who almost married an American and thought she would be having a better life, not stuck prostituting herself to go to school and take care of her family.

How will I find Ploy again? Go back to the bar and ask for her! Hmmm, I have not done that yet.

Day 3 (Tuesday).

Day 3 has been a bit of a downer as I suffer from insufficient quality sleep and lingering illness or, worse, a new one. I woke up several hours earlier that I should have, so I started the day sleep-deprived. I went out for breakfast but felt so tired when I got back I took a nap, but it was a fitful nap and I think it left me worse off. I worked on last night's report then felt like I needed another nap. It, too, was fitful, and I think got up to go Soi 6 more because I felt I needed to before it got too late than really wanting to. Walking down Soi 6, without really intending to, I ended up with Noi again. Noi's appearance on Sunday was more sophisticated, as she was wearing a long black dress, split down the sides. Today she wore simple jean shorts and top, and when I first went over to her, I didn't immediately realize it was her. Up close, I remembered, and in her short jeans, her being a mommie was more obvious. But her face is so cute, and that is why I went over. I stood in the street talking to her still refusing to be lured inside. I wanted to move on, but I was also feeling so tired and I had a slight headache. I really just wanted to lie down and sleep. I gave in after some chatting, thinking I could lay back in the bed and let her do the work. With a repeat girl you have been with, you can do that. With a new girl, you need to be more engaged, and I think that is the rational for going with Noi.

After the shower I laid down to let her just do her work, and the session turned into one of the best GFE's I have had for a while. She started off with a slow BBBJ which was no nice and I could lay still. She licked her way up to my face, then back down again. All was slow, and while I originally had not felt all that horny, Noi was waking some things up inside of me. I took more time to look at her body. Her breasts were small, but did not looked suckled on, so their appearance was fine. Free of the tight shorts, her body actually looked pretty good for having two kids with really no excess fat or sagging and, of course, her face was lovely to look at.

She was no clock watcher. I was really surprised how long things seemed to last. Noi truly seemed to be having fun and doing all she could to enhance my enjoyment. I used my fingers to rub her clit as we did a variation of the scissors position, and she was in cowboy then she turned around, keeping me inside, and did various forms of the reverse cowboy, some that I have never done before. She did everything possible to get me off, but it was too soon since the last time for me. Age is taking a toll. She was sad she couldn't get me off, but I rewarded her with a 500 baht tip on top of her normal 1000 fee. She performed way beyond reasonable expectations, and even at 1500 baht she was underpaid for her efforts. I am sure I will see her again. I generally don't like repeating more than twice, but I am pretty sure there will be a third time here.

After that, it was getting late and I headed back to the hotel. I still felt tired, especially after the sexual exercise, so I took yet another nap. It was dinner time, but I was more tired than hungry. I woke up from the nap, noticed the time, then took another nap. I have never had jet lagged like this coming in to Thailand. I wanted to sleep more but was concerned if I did I would really screw my internal clock up. I feared if I slept too much would end up waking up at 6 AM, a really horrible time for mongering! I had been forcing myself to stay awake, but found would doze off and have strange mini-dreams. That, for me, means I am sleep deprived. Finally at 11 PM I got up, composed myself and headed out, but I took some Motrin as I was getting a headache. I walked to WS, passing up some pretty FL girls on BR, and headed to the Peppermint. Fon is still working there and I thought I would go see her. I like the Peppermint, but it is expensive for me as I have so many "friends" that all want a piece of me. I enter, and the waiter is happy to see me, duh. He gets me a top seat next to a real cutie. She is hot! I think her name is At, number 810. She becomes a new instant friend. Then the regular "friends" see me and come rushing over for the free drinks and tips for doing nothing than sit next to me rather than off on their on. But it is my own fault and I could stop it at any time. Can't blame them, it is me. My head is actually pounding now, but only sweet At cares, and she begins to rub my head for a few minutes, which I thought was very nice. I am thinking I might want to BF her when I feel better. I do not ask her rate, but I think her BF is 1000. Rates here I remember are expensive, but I don't want to make my headache worse by asking! I am told Fon in not working today, but that is ok. I have her Line ap and hope to meet up with her off line once my health has returned.

So I leave before draining my pockets too much, and head back to Red Car. It is around 1 am I guess. A Motrin I took is kicking in so the headache has eased, otherwise the pounding music in there would have killed me. Actually, I put in some noise suppressors those foam things that make you look like a dork. It helps. I see Pat there with a fat old guy. She skipped on me previously with a coughing fit that I figured was fake. I didn't really care, but I gave her too much money to skip out on me like that. She sees me looking at her and I wave. She smiles back. I bet she would rather be with me that that fat geezer. She is really slumming it tonight, haha! The nerdy girl is there but I am in no condition to party tonight. I have not eaten in over 12 hours and really want to just leave and sleep. But instead I order a non-alcoholic Bangkok Breese, made of citris and fruit. It is very acidic, but maybe the fruit juice will help Well, after drinking half I start to feel like I might throw up. Nooooo. I haven't had a drop of alcohol and I will not throw up like that girl who projectile vomited pink foam! I quickly leave the bar and go catch a baht bus to take me home, fortunately not losing any fluids.

Ando of course, getting home and crawling in bed, sleep eluded me. Sigh. I think there is some truth to the statement that one can be too tired to sleep. Right? My headache became quite painful and I had to deal with some matters back home that kept interrupting me on the phone but, eventually, I fell asleep and slept until 11 AM. This is actually time I want to wake up, so might my jet lag now be over?

To conclude the day's events, today was a down day due to some combination of jet lag and continued illness. I was with just one girl today, and her a repeat, but what an experience! Still, I really need a solid 6 to 8 hours of sleep and a good dump. Not that the beds at the Dynasty are exactly comfortable.

Sacrifice a day. I know it's not optimal at all but sometimes it's worth it to sacrifice a day (or afternoon / evening). Don't force it. Let your body re-adjust itself and go from there. You'll find yourself with much more energy and make up for the loss time. Isn't the saying for every hour change in time zone you fly it takes 1 day to recover from your jet lag? Something like that.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2028064]Pattaya Trip Report, Day 1 (Sunday).[/QUOTE]Great report, really enjoyed reading. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2028777]Can you please be more specific about which shopping center you are talking about. Is it Central Festival? I use the Sagami 002 but ran out. I checked several pharmacies and none of them carry the 002's. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I always find it most convenient to order them online. The package is packed and labelled very discretely. And they are far cheaper than buying OTC.

Day 4 – Soi 6 Marathon.

I again slept until 11 am today, so maybe I am finally getting acclimated, though I still had a bit of a headache. I downed some ibuprofen and walked down to Subway for lunch, but when I returned I felt tired, so I wrote down the highlights of yesterday's experiences then took a nap. I rested until around 4 then, feeling halfway decent, headed for Soi 6 thinking I would stop by the Full Moon bar and see she big breasted Deah I mentioned on Sunday. I hope that the beautiful Deah will return before I depart.

BB Deah was there, and there was also a really hot girl there too that, had I not already asked for Deah, I would have chosen in a heartbeat. I will come back for her later, but forgot to ask for her name. So Deah and I go inside and sit down, and this is when I see how tall she really is! She sounds like a girl though, and her face looks like a girl, but I have to ask if she is a LB just to be safe, and she assures me she is. In fact, she later laments that she may lose customers over concerns she is one due to her height, saying both her parents were tall. I think guys might think she is a LB over those huge breasts, as well. Her English is pretty decent and though I am wondering if she will be a good provider, we go upstairs and those DD's are exposed in all their glory. Definitely bolt-ones, but well done, being soft and squeezable.

She starts off with the BBBJ right away, but my fears she is trying to rush are soon put to rest. She takes her time, stopping only to ask that if I come, to not come in her mouth. I haven't come orally in a few years, so that won't be a problem. Things proceed nicely and I soon discover this session is turning out to be semi-GFE. Lots of kissing and touching and doing the little things that add to the experience that many working girls won't do. The condom goes on and she slips me inside and, for a larger girl (again, not fat, though a few extra pounds in her stomach area), feels pretty good. We do different positions and she is enthusiastic in all. I will say that while I didn't come with her, I came very close and her reason for wanting me to come back to see her again was because she wanted to see me come with her! Haha. And I halfway believe her. She seemed very real and while I prefer the smaller girls, my time with BB Deah was quite pleasant and enjoyable. 300 BF and 1000 for her, plus a 100 tip. Certainly if you want to squeeze some DDs that don't belong to a LB, give her a try.

My headache was mostly gone (due to the release of endorphins?) and as headed west along Soi 6, as I was passing the Miss be-Haven bar, a cute, dark skinned, petite classic Issan spinner, looking to be about 20, gave me a huge smiled and waved me over. I won't say she was a beauty in any classical sense, but Pa (her name) was darn cute who seemed to have an energetic personality. She started giving me wet kisses in the bar so I was sold and upstairs we went. She started out with DFK and lots of close touching, then got down between my legs and, looking up with me with those big brown eyes, gave a pleasant BBBJ. She may have learned by watching Japanese porn, you know, where the girls concentrate on mainly the head, licking it and not really inserting much more into their mouth? That was her style, and seeing her cute face looking at me while doing it made me feel like a porn actor with a cute Asian girl. This is not to say she didn't go deep some, but licking the head was her favorite and, when you can look down into her eyes as she is doing it, it is hot. The condom goes on she is indeed enthusiastic, relieving me of having to do much work. I am sure she has a kid, as her small, dark breasts are a bit droopy, but her pussy is quite tight and I wondered if I might come with her. I get close, fail, but go down on her clean shaven pussy, and she goes a bit crazy. Nothing is sexier than hearing acute Asian woman saying words of pleasure you can't understand! Not a clock watcher at all and full of effort, she clearly went above and beyond, so I paid the standard 1000/300 and tipped her 200. I would also classify the encounter as a near-GFE as well due to all the kissing, activity, contact and enthusiasm.

After the energetic Pa, I continued walking towards the beach on Soi 6 and was greeted by Jaeb at Smoke and Mirrors. Jaeb was more like the girl next door, in not being a beauty necessarily, but yet very attractive. I mean, she was not petite, but had nice legs and a decent figure, but with a light skin and a very pretty face. I mean, body a 7 but the face a 9 – she looked relatively classy and more mature. I had a feeling she would be fun, too. I was sold and upstairs we went. Unlike Pa, she took me in all the way with her wonderful BBBJ. She had a nice set of Bee cups, soft skin, she offered lots of kissing and, again, provided a near GFE but in a more calm way. After three wild girls, I was now somehow able to come with her. Standard 1000/300 and I tipped her 200 I think. Any girl that can get me off deserves a tip.

I did go to WS but was sufficiently satisfied / tired that I did not go actively looking for a 4th encounter. Heck, I can't even remember what I may have done on WS.

Of the three girls on Soi 6, Jaeb is one I might see again. Well, all would be worthy of a second trip, but Jaeb would be at the top of the list as I found her combination of looks, performance and maturity to be the best. But any of three are highly recommended. Heck, most every Soi 6 girl I have been with has been great. I am sure I will find a dud here, but no complaints so far, and note that I am avoiding the fatties and uglies. These girls may not be 10's, but they are all above average. And how many 10's do you see on WS?

Ditto. Thanks, FL. I don't know when I'll be back to Patts but it's definitely on the to do list.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2028917]Great report, really enjoyed reading. Thanks.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2028926]Soi 6 and was greeted by Jaeb at Smoke and Mirrors.[/QUOTE]Smoke & Mirrors? Maybe do you mean Smoke & Kiss!? She could be Jaeb ex Vikings bar.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2029042]Smoke & Mirrors? Maybe do you mean Smoke & Kiss!? She could be Jaeb ex Vikings bar.[/QUOTE]You may be correct! Smoke and something! Haha There was certainly both. Thanks for the correction.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2029042]Smoke & Mirrors? Maybe do you mean Smoke & Kiss!? She could be Jaeb ex Vikings bar.[/QUOTE]Her name is probably Jiap (sounds a bit like Gee-up), most likely (a common name). Jaeng, Jun, Jane, June, Joop, Jip and Jit are also common names, but Jiap seems closest to the funny spelling Jaeb.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2029251]Her name is probably Jiap (sounds a bit like Gee-up), most likely (a common name). Jaeng, Jun, Jane, June, Joop, Jip and Jit are also common names, but Jiap seems closest to the funny spelling Jaeb.[/QUOTE]Or just maybe it was Jeab (not that it matters). I know a few chicks with that nickname.

I started the evening with live music at Lucifer, then headed out to Skyfall. At some point they had a line-up of girls with big tits, and when they came down from the stage one of them looked at me with thirsty eyes, so I invited her. LD was 200.

Turns out her name was "T" as in the letter. She was about 29 yo, 5 foot 2, slightly darker skin than usual, maybe some part African-American ancestry in her bloodline.

Her English was very good. At some point she said she preferred Farangs than Asians. She gave me a boner, so I took her out. BF was 1500 and ST was 3000. She said she'd been a lapdancer in London before, so I pre-negotiated a lap dance. I also told her to take some sexy lingerie clothes I could fuck her in. I also pre-negotiated I would pay after the deed is done, and told her I didn't want to be rushed. She said short time is 2 hours max, so that was fine by me.

I took her to Oasis. Room was 470 Baht. We showered together. She was very sexy. Then she did a memorable lapdance. Real professional stuff. She sucked my cock and I started to want to fuck her. I banged her in a few positions, and in the end came all over her beautiful tits. Very nice. I also liked to see her tits bursting out of her lingerie as I was fucking her. Her ass had a really great shape.

Overall, I would recommend. She's not super young, but she is not dick scared. I probably won't repeat because there are just too many girls offering themselves. But I'll remember the lapdance!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2029251]Her name is probably Jiap (sounds a bit like Gee-up), most likely (a common name). Jaeng, Jun, Jane, June, Joop, Jip and Jit are also common names, but Jiap seems closest to the funny spelling Jaeb.[/QUOTE]I went back to check my notes and I have the spelling as Jaep. Unless I made an entry blunder, this is how she spelled it to me, so I will consider this as being the official spelling of her name.

Now surprisingly, I saw her last night. I don't want to spoil my report but since I behind, I was out in mongering mode and walked right by her. I was looking for a hot spinner and she didn't fit that bill. I saw her smile and I smiled back, but I totally did not recognize her and kept walking. I was surprised when I heard her call out my name. I stopped and went over, still not recognizing her as being anyone I had screwed. She was slightly miffed and asked if I remembered her name? Only when she said Jaep did I remember. Sheesh, I reported her face was a 9? What was I thinking. Pretty, yes, but not the 9 I gave her. Maybe 7 like the rest of her. Anyway, I do endeavor to be accurate in my descriptions but sometimes I seem to over-rate inadvertently.

Day 5 (Thursday).

This turned out to be rather down day, or a day of rest and / or recuperation. I spent much of the time in bed, trying to nap as I simply felt dead and without energy. I totally blew off Soi 6 and only did some report writing and finally got Day 1 reviewed and posted. Physically, I felt bloated and knew that I had to be having a monster dump coming due, but I can avoid talking about that that right now!

For a variety of reasons, I did not start my mongering day until quite late, like about 9 PM, before heading out to Soi 6. I had contemplated simply walking down to the beach and getting a FL instead, but I prefer Soi 6 girls and I was thinking of the hottie at the Full Moon Bar I had first seen Sunday, but failed to ask her name. Arriving on Soi 6, it did not seem particularly busy, but the hottie at Full Moon was not out, so I continued walking and a young cutie from X-Bar gave me a big smile and called to me as I walked by so I went over. She appeared to be early 20's, striking face and sporting some nice boobs. I went inside with her and she said her name was May, but her English was poor. The charming mamasan, who was maybe 35 and pretty attractive herself, came over the help translate. May was a new arrival from Issan. She had light skin, a very attractive face and smile, and while no spinner, had a really nice body and legs. I never asked her age, but surely early 20's max. From what I gathered, her father died at 41 and that required she leave home and go to work to support the family. So, I guess, a fairly typical sad story about why the girls come to Pattaya. She was cute and young and while inexperienced in the business apparently, I decided to BF her. The mamasan made clear that that May was shy and had been doing this for just about 2 weeks.

I don't mind fresh meat, and being young is fine if my being old is ok. She accepted my request and upstairs we went. But, we each showered separately. Meeting in the bedroom she was wrapped in her towel and she lied next to me on her side, waiting for me to make a move. I touched her but she was really shy and barely touched me back, but over several minutes I removed the towel, revealing two really wonderful, natural large Cee breasts with quite thick nipples. By that, I mean the nipples are thick and dense, and the denseness goes deep into the breast tissue. The only time I have seen nipples like that is with my Thai GF. I don't really like it, but whatever. It is a curiosity. But the breast tissue itself is firm, as it should be for a younger woman, and quite a pleasure to play with. But May's shyness / newness was in full evidence. She would not touch back much at all and no offer for a BJ. I had refreshed my Apcalis and hour before, so her body, cute smile and those wonderfully firm breasts had me hard as a rock at that point. Also, in my touching of her, I felt her pussy as she was wet and tight. Amazingly wet, actually, and super slippery. It felt unusually wonderful. Had I been 16, knowing that I was about to enter this cute thing, just the wetness and slippery feeling of her pussy would have had me coming, I tell you. The fact she was so wet gave me hope that she might be a sexual monster about to be unleashed. Well, I put on the condom and she climbed on top and eased herself down on me and the warmth, wetness and tightness was even evident through the condom. Can I finish with this girl?!

Then it all starts to go downhill. With her impaled on me, she started bucking up and down, sort of. I mean, she was rather awkward it with no real rhythm and it took away from the experience. But, hey, she is a newbie. She finally gets it worked out then she turns her body away from me. She is clearly trying not to look at me. What the. ? I can play with those wonderfully firm breasts, which are awesome, but not see her lovely face.

I roll her over for some missionary, and even then she twists her upper body away and looks off to the side, he face covered by her hair. I mean, she is not simply looking away, she has her body literally twisting and raised of the bed a bit! Never had this happen before. Well, this isn't going to work! That, and the fact she was slowly drying out, is starting to have a toll. I mean, clearly this girl is not enjoying the sex. I ask if she is ok, and she says yes, and I suppose physically she is, but being with me is not where she wants to be. I understand that most of these girls will go through the actions and make you think they are having fun, but it was clear she was not having fun. And, for a newbie, I can understand that. I can sympathize. She wants to be back home with her father, but life is cruel and she is in Pattaya working as a hooker and having sex with an old man from overseas. (And thank goodness, for else her family might be in a way!

I move her in the spoon position and then back to missionary, spreading spit onto the condom to get some lube. I do have a small bottle of lube in my pocket, but I decide to just give up at this point. I pull out and roll her next her. I touch her to calm her, but then realize that could be making it worse! I ask for a shower.

She is not sure if I came or not. I pulled off my condom and she looked at it and could see that I did not. Unlike most providers, there was no showing of concern or trying to do more to get me off. She was quite respectful throughout, but a total star fish. She might be interesting to track over the next few months. Will she let loose and come to accept her work? Or might she give it up? Or maybe me being old enough to be her grandfather is causing her a problem? I can understand that, especially for a newbie who hasn't let learned that we all should simply look like a thousand baht bill.

After that, I went to Walking Street. It was close to 11 PM. I really had no plan. The whole episode with May had depressed me a bit. I ventured into a couple of gogos but did not check rates. Two girls in Pheromones hit me up for expensive LDs and were up for a three way. They were cute, but not what I wanted. I don't remember where else I went. Bee, I think is her name, is a girl who frequents WS that I seem to run into each trip. She is a cute girl, bubbly, girl that I took to my hotel once, but the sex was poor and I had to boot her as she was trying to stay with me for my whole trip. I really don't know her story, but I am sure it is not a happy one. I might enjoy spending time with her if she wasn't so clingy. Anyway, she saw me and wanted to go with me but I said no, I wanted to walk alone. She didn't bug me too much, volunteering to meet me someplace by the entr'acte to WS later. Fine, whatever. She got the hint and I did not see her anymore that night. Really, she is a cute girl and if you want a cute girl to spend a few days with you and take care of you, she would be the one. It is just that is not what I want! (If you are interested, I have no idea how to contact her.).

Another old friend I saw was my Fon, who I have a story with since I first met her in May of 2015 at the Peppermint, where she again works. In my mind, her body is close to perfection, but she is elusive as heck. I just saw her pass by and didn't bother to approach her as she was following some dude. I have her Line ID and am trying to work out something with her. She keeps saying yes to meeting, but I can't get anything confirmed out of her. It will probably be another dude with her.

I had never been to Lucifer's so I went in and it was interesting. It was about 2 AM and had just peaked and people were starting to leave. I sat at the bar when a seat opened up, then soon thereafter the seat next to me opened up and a girl came over to get a beer. A guy bumped her and she spilled a little on my pants. I think she apologized and we cleaned up the mess on me and on the bar. She was trying to say some things to me and with my old-aged hearing of high-pitched Thai women in an ear-splitting sound environment, I got a "*uck you" and "you have the face of a buffalo". Huh? I didn't do anything to her, but when she looked at me she was smiling. I left her be, but after a few minutes of each of us glancing at the other, I said Hello, and she eventually told me was saying those things about the guy who bumped in to her. I was not sure if she was showing interest in me or what, and she was pretty enough to go home with, but I didn't interact too much with her to keep my options open.

It was clear after a while that people were leaving and it would be her or nobody from this place. I am certain I could have taken her, but I knew I would have a difficult time speaking with her and, well, I felt if I was going to take someone home I wanted a looker and, while she was in her 30's and certainly not un-attractive, she was not the one for me at that point. To her surprise, I think, I bade her good night and left. Heck, it kind of surprised me too!

I went to Marine Bar and it had a decent crowd but I didn't stay long. I had had success there a year ago, but I left. IBar was still swinging but I didn't bother to go in. I think I am too old for iBar. Before leaving WS, I stepped into Red Car / Walking Street and it seemed to have just passed it peak. I walked around and a woman at a table of 3 friends stopped me and flirted. She poked at my Johnson a couple of times but I was not interested in her. One of her friends was not bad though, but I left them and walked to the other side of the room. The plan was to keep an eye on the better looking one and maybe go back if I detected an opening. (Well, I just had an opening with her but I walked away! Not really a good move unless you are prepared to lose everything, and I was.) Well, she left soon enough, but I stuck around. I didn't see the geeky girl this time. I was looking for potential mates, but soon people were leaving in droves now so I left too, alone. Pat, the girl who skipped out on me a few nights ago, was in the entrance hall. I stopped to say Hello,. She was friendly and seemed to open herself up to be taken home again but, even touching me, but nope. Been there, done that and gotten ditched early. I wished her well and proceeded on out.

The crowds of WS were much diminished now. I was tired and simply walked back to my hotel, noticing that the few SW girls out were on the east side of BR. I was not sufficiently attracted to solicit one. I was tired and wanted to sleep. I still had a bloated stomach. Am I finally getting old? I got to the hotel, looked in the mirror and noted I am getting jowls. Diminished sex drive and now jowls? Why do I come to Thailand and eat at Subway, Sizzler and Burger King? Not wanting to toss and turn alone in bed and then wake up at 6 AM in barely 2 more hours, I took an Ambien to help me sleep. Usually when I take Ambien I take half a pill. I took a full one this time. I slept until noon the next day.

But before closing, I want to talk about cargo shorts. The kind with lots of pockets. Maybe it shouts out we are dorks or tourists or whatever, but I like my cargo shorts. The more pockets and the deeper the better. In my lower left pocket I keep cash ready to be exchanged, a copy of my passport and extra baht bills. In the right lower pocket I will my condoms, sometimes a bottle of lube and often a pair of ear plugs. In my upper left I will have my spending cash, hotel key card, reading glasses and occasionally my credit card. My upper right will have change for the baht bus and sometimes tip money. If I have a 5th pocket, I will find something to fill it. If I were to wear my regular pants, where will I store everything? I don't want to use my rear pocket as it is easily pick-pocketed. So there. Power mongerors wear cargo shorts. Haha.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2029646]
I got to the hotel, looked in the mirror and noted I am getting jowls. Diminished sex drive and now jowls? Why do I come to Thailand and eat at Subway, Sizzler and Burger King?

But before closing, I want to talk about cargo shorts. The kind with lots of pockets. Maybe it shouts out we are dorks or tourists or whatever, but I like my cargo shorts. The more pockets and the deeper the better. In my lower left pocket I keep cash ready to be exchanged, a copy of my passport and extra baht bills. In the right lower pocket I will my condoms, sometimes a bottle of lube and often a pair of ear plugs. In my upper left I will have my spending cash, hotel key card, reading glasses and occasionally my credit card. My upper right will have change for the baht bus and sometimes tip money. If I have a 5th pocket, I will find something to fill it. If I were to wear my regular pants, where will I store everything? I don't want to use my rear pocket as it is easily pick-pocketed. So there. Power mongerors wear cargo shorts. Haha.[/QUOTE]Yes why eat such bloting food when good Thai food is cheap? I made the decision to switch to a low carbohydrates, high fibre diet about 4 years ago, and managed to loose 14 kilos at one stage (over 6 months - half a kilo lost per week) with heavy food control, now back up 5 kilos (meaning still down 9 kilos), but the jowls went away. The back aches went away. I stopped huffing and puffing after sex and not a ball of sweat. I avoid rice or noodles, French fries, potatoes, and low amounts of bread and other useless carbs. Pizza very infrequently. High vegetable Thai food without rice can be good. Grilled chicken, pork, or fish, fine, not fattening. I take soup dishes with no noodles often. Important to control total food quantities. Eat small and don't eat a lot before bed. I certainly would never go in a Burger King or any fast food equivalent. Sizzler would not interest me. Use Thai street food. Sometimes take a good quality burger, no fries. No high sugar drinks. Thai orange juice is no good. Too much sugar. I ask street vendors to make the food with no sugar.

Can't agree about the shorts. I wear surfie shorts around the house, and consider shorts for Songkran or during rainy downpours, but shorts is not great attire for looking a class above the rif raf. Thais don't go to monger venues wearing shorts, and shirts must have at least short sleaves (no armpit exposure). I see all the Indians wearing shorts, but I am not going to copy them. Japanese are largely not wearing shorts (in BKK). They dress fairly well. I stop short of shoes and socks unless venue requires it. However Pattaya is a different world, so I guess it is anything goes there. Perhaps others will say there is absolutely no dress code in Pattaya. You can do what you like.

I do agree that you cannot risk putting anything of value in back pocket. I almost never use a back pocket. Even a packet of condoms in back pocket, will be too obvious. Everyone would guess what that shape might be. LOL.

Maybe I should start a thread for non-fattening delicious flavoursome Thai food dishes, LOL. Don't do like the Thais and eats lots of rice and noodles, french fries, and slurpies, unless you are a skinny guy. Our western metabolism can be making us quite fat on that stuff.

Hi guys,

I will be coming to Pattaya from the 6th to the 8th of May next back to BKK. I am much more used to Bangkok and to its massage parlor such a tulip, bamboo, mango, snow white and so forth for outcall.

Would you have some similar places (with website) in Pattaya where I could book for outcall? I am not a huge fan of Devil's den though.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2029662]Yes why eat such bloting food when good Thai food is cheap?

Can't agree about the shorts. [/QUOTE]Well said about the food. And I only hit the salad bar at Sizzler! When I am with my Thai GF next week, she will make me only eat Thai food. You are totally correct about white rice.

I see no problem with cargo shorts on Soi 6 or BR. Regular pants and shirt in a disco, when the girls are all dressed up, is reasonable.

Day 6 (Friday).

Slept until 6 but woke a bit groggy. Got up and walked down to Subway for breakfast. Lunch. Whatever. It rained a little while there, but stopped. The weather here really hasn't been to bad. I was still feeling kind of yucky but just as I entered my room, my body decided to quickly clear out some more intestinal space, so lucky the bathroom was near the entry door! I certainly needed that to happen and that bloaty feeling is finally gone. Hopefully I will now be feeling better and can get back to business.

I finally sat down to post a report and do some more writing. Feeling better now I hope my reports will more forthcoming, and I was actually surprised when I realized it was about 5 PM and I had not left my room. I had some, uh, laundry to be done so I gathered it up and took it to my favorite Soi 13/1 laundromat, then headed for 6 again. Little did I know I was about to receive a major surprise.

The sky was still cloudy and the air actually a little on the cool side (relatively). Arriving at Soi 6 in the mid-afternoon, I had not walked too far and at a bar near the entrance off Second Road (sorry, I failed to take the name down – maybe I will get it later) as I am walking down a pretty girl comes out through the glass door. She looks "different" in some way, not just slender, nice legs, very pretty face, small breast, but a tad exotic. She does not look like the typical Thai nor, for that matter, talk like one. A pleasant voice with very good English – not the high pitched voice so many have, and not the deep voice to make me think she is a LB – and even the accent is different. I end up going inside with her and after some of her charm has worked on me I buy her a drink. She is very entertaining to talk to and apparent well read. She says she is attending business school and is doing this to help fund her education. So, very charming and pleasant and I am thinking I want to take her upstairs. We talk some more and get into philosophy and then she starts to ask what I like for sex. She is speaking of me as a client now, and she wants to learn what I want and expect. I say I like oral and vaginal, then she says how she can certainly help me with the oral part. Um, what about the vaginal?

You see it now, right? Yep, this charming girl I am getting hot for is a freaking dude! Ahhhhhhhghhh! Nooooo, I can tell a LB from a real girl! I know the tricks! This is NOT a dude! I ask her to clarify, and she confirms she is a dude and she wants to help me get out of my state of oppression. No no no. I look at her, him, and say you can't be a boy. But she is. OMG.

Actually, I am stunned and we keep talking. I am quite clam and remain engaged by this charming person who totally fooled me. Most LBs are taller, obnoxious, sound like dudes, but this guy (who does not seem to be contemplating surgery) has being a girl down pat. I said I wanted a girl but man, if I was ever going to let a dude suck my Johnson, it would be him. I left the place – which does have real girls – feeling somewhat enlightened, but wow. Her name was Lilly, and she left me impressed but no way will I be back.

Leaving, and now a bit insecure with my own manliness, when I passed Noi and she called me over, I went to her. I would have preferred to have chosen a new girl to be with, but I remembered it was no longer to be about quantity but quality, and Noi was becoming like a GF to me in the performance department. So she called and I answered and she took me in her arms and, long story short, we went upstairs and she gave another OMG GFE performance. We were drenched in sweat and I staggered back into the street.

What to do now after that killer performance? Right, find another bar and have a repeat performance! And that, with a bit of luck, is what I did. Passing by <beep it, I failed to write the bar's name down – I need to try to figure it out where a cute spinner called me over. Maybe not exactly what I am looking for, but not bad. So I go over, but then she says she is busy and hands me off to this other girl. Argh, bait and switch. But I look at the girl and she is not bad, actually. Not a spinner, but young and with a cute face and acceptable body, so OK, I agree. Turns out she is quite new, like newbie May from yesterday. Her English is very bad, and I begin to fear a repeat with the star fish like May.

The girl, Mook, starts to warm up after I buy her a drink, but I had to call another girl over to explain to her what I wanted to drink and that I was offering her a LD. She actually touched and gave some awkward kisses which actually was turning me on a bit. I am guessing her age was early 20's. Body overall was maybe a 7, cute face and smile, and I think she was pretty nervous. But then, I may be 40 years older than her, so I can understand her wanting to throw up. I would not normally be looking for a 7, but when they are young like this and have a cute smile, I can open up my standards. When I asked about bar fining her, she didn't understand, but I got that sorted out and she seem a tad happy about it. So up we go. In the room she seems super shy about even undressing and going for a shower. At first I thought I would shower alone but she came in and all was fine. Dried off, I got on the bed and when she comes over, this quite girl turns into a beast! She loves kissing and touching and I am quite amazed at her level of activity. This is what I had hoped for with May! Much is awkward as you might expect for a newby, but totally 180 degrees different than May. She was clean shaven and allowed FIV, and she was totally wet, and she stayed wet for practically the entire session as it turned out. I rarely go down on these girls, but I did with her and she tasted fine and I think that opened her up to more things. Her BBBJ was well done and, when she mounted me, she was a dynamo. She tried all she could do to get me to come but I failed. She really did seem sorry. I was too. Wish I could remember the name of that bar.

So, Mook, maybe a 7 on looks, left me barely able to walk, but still, happy despite no release through no fault of her own. It was only around 9 PM, but I went to WS for dinner. After dinner and aimless walking around, I went to the ice cream place (across from Frog). I was outside, sitting down, enjoying my cup of chocolate chip and watching the people, when a little kid walks over to me and grabs my cupt and runs off next door. He was cute and I thought the workers the club there would make him return it. One of the guys does take him by the hand and brings him over, for what I thought would be to hand it band and / or apologize, but no, the guy only makes him wai me! Maybe they thought I gave the rugrat the ice cream! They whole thing was actually hilarious, though adults really can't let children go up and steal stuff and be rewarded. Whatever, I am cool with it and it would be a hit on YouTube.

Bee walked by but left me alone. Strange, but when she does that I am a little sad. When she stops, I am agitated. Sigh.

WS was pretty busy and, being Friday night, the Chinese were out in full force. I did a walk through iBar, but have decided that is a place for younger folks. I went into Red Car / Walking Street around 1 AM and it was doing well. I walked around a few time. The geeky girl was there. I looked at her and smiled, but got nothing back. No sign of Pat or her friends. There was a woman standing alone who didn't look too bad and I sent over and, since there was some open space next to her, said Hello,. She was older, looking maybe mid to late 30's, but with nice and body. Over the course of many minutes we gradually eye each other and start into some conversation, which is rough due to the sound volume and the language barrier. But before long, a waiter comes over and she orders a beer and, since I am right next to her, the guy looks at me and I order my Bangkok Breeze. I pay for both when he returns and I am in. She has a younger, hot friend come over and they talk for a while and I see a guy approach her who quickly got rejected. I wonder about this place and the people who come here. I saw this happen the day before – girl reject guy, and why have I gotten lucky? Both dudes were younger and probably better looking, and I am in the one in cargo shorts, so why me and not them? I guess it is all a game of odds. This girl, who also happened to be named Pat, was there and I went over. I guess I met her requirements. Not sure if my friend's friend was actually looking for a dude or just wanted to hang out. But I do seem to have good luck at this place.

Anyway, I took a motor bike at 150 baht back to the hotel. In the light of the bathroom I could better tell Pat had packed the facial makeup on so maybe she was in her 40's, but her skin was ultra soft, legs slender and body, while not a spinner's body, was slender without much sagging or drooping. Sex was ok. Some kissing and touching, but she was mainly there to get money and not show a good time. No money had been discussed, but she did ask if I wanted LT or ST. I said ST, and that is what I got. At the end I gave her 1500 which she didn't argue with. That is more than I gave Mook a few hours earlier who turned in a night and day's better performance.

Pat left at about 3:30 AM and I went to bed soon after. I still haven't really checked out the agogo's much, which I probably need to do if I want to find that 10. Maybe I best do that Sunday when things are at least a little slower. I know I have options here other than WS, BR and Soi 6, so IDK.

(Trying to catch up guys).

Day 7 (Saturday).

This was a lazy day. I seem to be getting a cold, as I have a tiny bit of post nasal drip going on causing a bit of coughing and my bones / muscles are a little sore (well, I wonder why.). I went out for a legit massage and that helped. Still, I need some pain medicine for a returning headache. Other than lunch, I stay inside until late to work on these reports and rest. I catch a late afternoon nap, then I remember I am checking out of this hotel tomorrow to move to the Flipper House on Soi 7. I have never stayed there before. Not sure I will like the change in location, as Soi 13 is right in the middle of things, but we shall find out! Lots of nice reviews about Flipper House, and I have very limited experience on Soi 7, so it may turn out great. But since I also forgot to go pick up some laundry on 13/1 today, and the checkout time is noon tomorrow, I decide I won't stay out late tonight and to simply venture down to Soi 6 for a single or maybe double, then come back, sleep and get up early enough to have time to do what I will need to do.

And I pretty much stuck with my plan. The night traffic on Second Road is clogged. I can walk faster than the traffic for a while, but after a while I board a stopped baht bus and, eventually, get to Soi 6. It is around 8 pm and some clubs have lots of people and others have many more girls than men. But I am not seeing a lot of hot available girls until, way down the road, I see this Issan beauty, Bai, at Red Point Bar looks at me. She is hot. Tiny body, dark exotic looks and incredibly sexy eyes. Inside, she acts a bit mechanical, but I don't care if I can possess that body for a few minutes. We talk briefly, but the English is not that good so, heck, may as well go upstairs and let our bodies talkShe is not entirely perfect – she may have a spare pound in her stomach, and her breasts could be larger – but seeing her undressing with the knowledge I was going to hit that beauty had me semi-erect before the shower.

I was here at this bar last here and I had praised the upstairs rooms to you guys. For those who don't like taking a shower in a room the size of a small closet, Red Point is the place to go. The rooms were remodeled not too long ago and the shower / bathrooms are large, very nicely tiled, clean, modern and at least as good as my bathroom at the Dynasty. Most homes don't have a bathroom that is as nice as these are.

In bed, Bai gives a decent BBBJ, though her hair hides her face for most of the activity and I have to keep brushing it aside. She uses lube with the condom so when she slid on from the girl-on-top position, it went right in, even though she is quite tight (no obvious signs of being a mommy). Yes, she was somewhat mechanical, but she knew what a man wants and she provided it. All positions were open – missionary, spoon, doggie and cowgirl. I thought for a while I could come with her, if only by shear willpower of her sexy face. I failed, but she kept trying to get me there until I told her she could stop. Too much rubbing of a man's Johnson can make it sore. But man, if I could only go bare with this beauty, but I didn't ask and she didn't offer. There was some kissing with her and like I said, all positions were open and she tried, but this was no GFE. I have no complaints about her performance however. I may see her again just because I hope she might open up a bit on a second visit and to assure myself she really was as hot as I am saying. I have found that I might sometimes overrate a woman's appearance on a first visit, then surprise myself the next time that she really wasn't as hot as I first thought. Strange.

After that, I went back to see Ploy. She is the one who lost her American BF and is putting herself through college and working here to support her family. She was out front but I didn't see her but when I approached and had to ask for her, but she was right there looking at me in the front of the not-too-busy bar smiling. I guess she had been wondering if I would return. She said I missed her birthday party. Huh, you didn't invite me to your party I said. She replied she did and that she got really hung over. Oh, wait, I replied, when we met you told me you were hung over, so you had your party before I ever met you! Well, whatever. Due to her good English it was easy to talk to her, though the music in there was loud and obnoxious, by my standards. Even she didn't like it. She said she had not eaten all day, wanting to eat noodles but the food cart she likes had not come through, and if she has a hankering for a particular food she will not eat anything else until she gets what she wants. She pointed out the jean shorts she was wearing that were loose, saying they fit tight when she first arrived at the bar.

I wanted to go upstairs with her but she said we couldn't as the bar shut the rooms down due to concerns about the police. Huh? I didn't mention I had just come from an upstairs encounter, but maybe that bar isn't paying their bribe fee or something and feels they would be selected in a raid. She said they had to use ST hotels, but while she was smiling and seemingly enjoyed talking to me, and I did buy her a LD, I did not get a sense that she was wanting me to BF her. Maybe she is too shy, IDK. I have to remember that this is not a typical bar girl, so I might be misreading clues and simply thinking she really doesn't want to be with a dude more than twice her age. She did say Sunday would be her last day. She is looking forward to returning to Bangkok and school. Maybe, after I check into the new hotel, I will go back to inquire about LT with her. She is fun to talk to, so we will see. But, I got no vibe from her she wanted to go out ST with me, so I left it at that. She may have been a little surprised when I then stood up and said I needed to go. I gave her 100 for her time, but left a little curious about her feelings for me. I mean, duh, I am a customer, but I got a tiny sense that maybe she didn't want sex with me but not because I am ugly or repulsive, but maybe because I remind her of her BF somehow? I know, that makes no sense. So, IDK. I will come back tomorrow and see.

I left, a bit confused. And a bit disappointed. She is very attractive to me. Nothing else happened later that night other than I ate, then I return to my hotel at about midnight, did some packing and went to bed. So, while I tried for two, I ended up being with only one girl today.

A few days ago I took a beach road freelancer that I had taken almost exactly 10 years ago in 2007. She still looked pretty much the same, and hadn't stacked on the kilos like some of the other chicks who I used to take 10 yrs ago.

As a price comparison, in 2007 I paid 500 baht for her ST services. Now in 2017 she quoted me 800 baht. I ended up trying to bargain a 700 baht price with her but she stood firm on her 800 baht price point. As she was on my bucket list to try this trip I agreed to her price and we headed off to the same ST room we used 10 yrs ago. The ST room charges 120 baht. Back in 2007 it charged 100 baht.

Doing some calculations, and even though pussy prices are rounded to the nearest 100 baht, the price for this girls services has increased by 4. 8% per annum over the last 10 years. Now looking at the CPI (consumer price index) data for Thailand, the CPI has increased by 2% per annum in the last 10 yrs. However when I look at food price inflation data, this has increased by 4. 3% per annum.

So I would suggest that the prices of chicks on BR are subject to the normal forces of economic supply and demand and that they would track food price inflation? Luckily, food price inflation in Thailand has been trending down over the last few yrs and is now slightly negative, so my expectation is that pussy price inflation will not be an issue in the coming yrs?

[QUOTE=Franga;2030103]A few days ago I took a beach road freelancer that I had taken almost exactly 10 years ago in 2007. She still looked pretty much the same, and hadn't stacked on the kilos like some of the other chicks who I used to take 10 yrs ago.

As a price comparison, in 2007 I paid 500 baht for her ST services. Now in 2017 she quoted me 800 baht. I ended up trying to bargain a 700 baht price with her but she stood firm on her 800 baht price point.

the price for this girls services has increased by 4. 8% per annum over the last 10 years. [/QUOTE]Nice analysis. One issue you didn't account for is age. Not sure what the age of your girl was, but let's assume 25 in 2007. At 25, a hooker is a hot commodity, especially if just starting out. At 35, not nearly as much, even if she aged reasonably well (most do not). A decade is huge in hooker years: at 10 clients a weeks on average, that's roughly 5,000 dicks (almost the length of Beach Road, in dicks).

Prices should reflect that, so in effect, paying 500 baht for a hot 25 year old upstart vs then 800 for a high-mileage 35 year-old hooker implies price increase a bit higher than 300 baht. A better comparison would be two hookers of roughly the same age and attractiveness level.

2 huge problems I saw with both price and supply in pattaya on my recent trip this March and April:

1. Fewer attractive girls than 5 years ago, so even if you have the money, they just physically aren't present to be bar-fined (girls getting out of the game, sponsored, going to Singapore / Korea, getting married to punters, visiting punters for a few months). Take Siren Bar complex, the one right in front of walking st, hasn't been an attractive girl working there for years. Used to be you would run into decent talent before you even could get inside Walking Street.

2. Since the supply of attractive girls is lower, the price has increased by 3 x-4 x. 5 years ago, I was paying 23 year olds in walking street beer bars 1000 for longtime, and 400 BF. Now, they want 2500 for ST and LT probably about 4000, if they even want that. I was able to get one to do semi-LT for 3000, and BF was 1500 before midnight and 600 after midnight. So before, I could get an attractive bargirl starting as early as 8 pm until 5 am for 1500 baht, for 9 hours. Now, I am paying 4000 baht for "LT" from midnight until 4 AM. That's 4 hours. So 5 years ago, it was 166 baht per hour. Now it's 555 baht / hour (but it's 900 baht an hour if you barfine from midnight until 5am). That's a 3. 34 increase in price over 5 years!

Bottom line is, Pattaya is no longer the place where you can get a new hot 21 year old girlfriend everynight, all-night for $45. It's still decent if you are going after women 28-33 though. Given that it's price is nearing the west, it really just seems more of a fullmoon party holiday destination and less of a sex holiday destination.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2030143]Nice analysis. One issue you didn't account for is age. Not sure what the age of your girl was, but let's assume 25 in 2007. At 25, a hooker is a hot commodity, especially if just starting out. At 35, not nearly as much, even if she aged reasonably well (most do not). A decade is huge in hooker years: at 10 clients a weeks on average, that's roughly 5,000 dicks (almost the length of Beach Road, in dicks).

Prices should reflect that, so in effect, paying 500 baht for a hot 25 year old upstart vs then 800 for a high-mileage 35 year-old hooker implies price increase a bit higher than 300 baht. A better comparison would be two hookers of roughly the same age and attractiveness level.[/QUOTE]I didn't specifically mention age in my post, but just made the observation that she looked virtually the same from 10 yrs ago, so I think that the price comparison is valid. She was not a hot 25 yr old in 2007, just a "middle of the Road" girl with a pretty face and a friendly good attitude. She was 30 yrs back then and is now 40.

There is another girl that I used to take a lot in 2007, who still stands on BR in 2017. Back then she was IMO the hottest chick there with beautiful pert little tits. She used to work in the gogo bars prior. But now she has put on a lot of kilos, her face is more rounded and her tits are quite large and looks like she has had a boob job. I certainly wouldn't go with her now, and agree that she would be worth less now, like you say.

[QUOTE=Valoulou;2029890]Hi guys,

I will be coming to Pattaya from the 6th to the 8th of May next back to BKK. I am much more used to Bangkok and to its massage parlor such a tulip, bamboo, mango, snow white and so forth for outcall.

Would you have some similar places (with website) in Pattaya where I could book for outcall? I am not a huge fan of Devil's den though.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Anyone has seen my message above haha?

Would love some advices on some good Pattaya massage places such as Bamboo, Mango, Snowhite and so forth.

Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2030061]Day 6 (Friday).
Arriving at Soi 6 in the mid-afternoon, I had not walked too far and at a bar near the entrance off Second Road[/QUOTE]It is the second or third bar on the right that has LB mixed in with women.

From Second Road, on the right hand side (North side), the first bar is Thai Rose (?) which can have some cute little gems from time to time. Unfortunately, the young ones seem more interested in Line and Facebook than getting customers. The second bar is Good Fellas. I have been here many times. Never seen a ladyboy in there. The 3rd bar is the dark bar not sure of its name. Never seen anyone interesting in that place and no ladyboys stood out to me. To be fair, I'm usually running away from my Good Fellas girl so kind of miss the 3rd bar on the right on Soi 6.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2030451]From Second Road, on the right hand side (North side), the first bar is Thai Rose (?) which can have some cute little gems from time to time. Unfortunately, the young ones seem more interested in Line and Facebook than getting customers. The second bar is Good Fellas. I have been here many times. Never seen a ladyboy in there. The 3rd bar is the dark bar not sure of its name. Never seen anyone interesting in that place and no ladyboys stood out to me. To be fair, I'm usually running away from my Good Fellas girl so kind of miss the 3rd bar on the right on Soi 6.[/QUOTE]After Good Fellas, you find 3Angeles Bar and is mixed bar girls and ladyboys.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2030178]Given that it's price is nearing the west, it really just seems more of a fullmoon party holiday destination and less of a sex holiday destination.[/QUOTE]Not sure which Westernized country you're referring to that are close to Pattaya pricing. I'm interested for sure since I travel a lot. Was just looking at Germany tonight and 10 hour overnight with a top end German girl is 1000 euro (37,500 baht?).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2030566]Not sure which Westernized country you're referring to that are close to Pattaya pricing. I'm interested for sure since I travel a lot. Was just looking at Germany tonight and 10 hour overnight with a top end German girl is 1000 euro (37,500 baht?).[/QUOTE]Agree BB. Paid $1500 in Aussie for 5 hours with a model. Yes a model but that equates to about 39000 baht. Pattaya is way cheaper than western pussy. Even one hour with an average working girl in Aussie is $250 plus or about 6500 baht. Give me Asian pussy price anytime.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Valoulou;2030332]Anyone has seen my message above haha?

Would love some advices on some good Pattaya massage places such as Bamboo, Mango, Snowhite and so forth.

Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]We encourage you to RTFF and contribute to it just like the rest of us do.

[QUOTE=Valoulou;2030332]Anyone has seen my message above haha?

Would love some advices on some good Pattaya massage places such as Bamboo, Mango, Snowhite and so forth.

Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]Everything you need to know is right here in this thread. Happy reading!

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3710-Pattaya-Massage-Parlors[/URL]

Hey guys,

I read the thread but I am bit confuse about few things, there's too much details on this thread and searching something specific is difficult to be honest:

1. I booked my flights and Hotel in Pattaya which is at a walking distance from Walking Street. No confusion here. I will be spending 4 nights at Pattaya before heading to Bangkok to spend few hours before catching a return flight at night. So, in that few hours I would like to visit No Hand Massage. Mitu. Any details on it and service levels?

2. I researched (RTFF) and decided the 3 soapies that I would like to visit in Pattaya. Sabai Dee, Honey 2 and Rasputin. I will be going there in off season, not sure how good would be the line up. Any reviews on number of girls available in off season (August), plus what would be the best time in a day to visit the Soapies?

3. I would like to spend some time at Walking Street Go Go Bars drinking, which I found many are favorites for most of the people. I am interested in picking up freelancers than the go-go girls, so please any recommendations for places where freelancers are in good numbers? Certainly don't want to wait till early morning when all bars are getting closed and go-go girls are becoming freelancers. Also, what's the current tip amount that should be paid to these girls?

4. A friend of mine when visited Pattaya with a tourist group, he went to a Russian show which had full nudity and audiences were involved in some act, they would get a lap dance and all. He don't remember the name of the show / place, however he remember opposite to this place was something which had a number 69 in name, any clue about this place? Googled a lot but could not find it. It was not Alcazar.

5. Would like to hear more on Devil's den experiences along with the rates if possible.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2030061]She has a younger, hot friend come over and they talk for a while and I see a guy approach her who quickly got rejected. I wonder about this place and the people who come here. I saw this happen the day before girl reject guy, and why have I gotten lucky? Both dudes were younger and probably better looking, and I am in the one in cargo shorts, so why me and not them?[/QUOTE]Good reports. Your nick is familiar, I may have seen you posting in a different section?

Anyway, refusals do happen, especially with FLs. Getting an young hottie in eg iBar is a tough proposition for an older guy. Some are for no apparent good reason but normally there is some plain logic behind. The other guy may have been too quick in offering a low price, or asking for anal, CIM etc. Some girls just don't want young guys because they last longer, so much more effort, or they don't like the nationality. One just has to move on, even if it leave you uncomfortable especially as you may have to run into the same hot piece of ass again night after night.

[QUOTE=Speed2487;2030954]Hey guys,

I read the thread but I am bit confuse about few things, there's too much details on this thread and searching something specific is difficult to be honest:

1. I booked my flights and Hotel in Pattaya which is at a walking distance from Walking Street. No confusion here. I will be spending 4 nights at Pattaya before heading to Bangkok to spend few hours before catching a return flight at night. So, in that few hours I would like to visit No Hand Massage. Mitu. Any details on it and service levels?

2. I researched (RTFF) and decided the 3 soapies that I would like to visit in Pattaya. Sabai Dee, Honey 2 and Rasputin. I will be going there in off season, not sure how good would be the line up. Any reviews on number of girls available in off season (August), plus what would be the best time in a day to visit the Soapies?

3. I would like to spend some time at Walking Street Go Go Bars drinking, which I found many are favorites for most of the people..[/QUOTE]IMO.

2. Sabai dee has the biggest line up, Rasputin has beautiful girls. Most of the MPs open around mid afternoon. Recommend to visit in the evening, say around 7 pm when the girls to choose from are max in numbers.

3. GoGo is not my turf. Beach road and iBar for FL.

4. ask cabdriver about the 69 show. Would recommend 69 show (in the building with 69 sign) over Russian show if you want to watch live sex. Russian show is more of a strips show.

P.S. Both these shows are flooded with Indians.

5. Devil's den has their website with all the required info.

Day 7 (Saturday).

This was a lazy day. I seem to be getting a cold, as I have a tiny bit of post nasal drip going on causing a bit of coughing and my bones / muscles are a little sore (well, I wonder why.). I went out for a legit massage and that helped. Still, I need some pain medicine for a returning headache. Other than lunch, I stay inside until late to work on these reports and rest. I catch a late afternoon nap, then I remember I am checking out of this hotel tomorrow to move to the Flipper House on Soi 7. I have never stayed there before. Not sure I will like the change in location, as Soi 13 is right in the middle of things, but we shall find out! Lots of nice reviews about Flipper House, and I have very limited experience on Soi 7, so it may turn out great. But since I also forgot to go pick up some laundry on 13/1 today, and the checkout time is noon tomorrow, I decide I won't stay out late tonight and to simply venture down to Soi 6 for a single or maybe double, then come back, sleep and get up early enough to have time to do what I will need to do.

And I pretty much stuck with my plan. The night traffic on Second Road is clogged. I can walk faster than the traffic for a while, but after a while I board a stopped baht bus and, eventually, get to Soi 6. It is around 8 pm and some clubs have lots of people and others have many more girls than men. But I am not seeing a lot of hot available girls until, way down the road, I see this Issan beauty, Bai, at Red Point Bar lookingat me. She is hot. Tiny body, dark exotic looks and incredibly sexy eyes. Inside, she acts a bit mechanical, but I don't care if I can possess that body for a few minutes. We talk briefly, but the English is not that good so, heck, may as well go upstairs and let our bodies talk. She is not entirely perfect – she may have a spare pound in her stomach, and her breasts could be larger – but seeing her undressing with the knowledge I was going to hit that beauty had me semi-erect before the shower.

I was here at this bar last here and I had praised the upstairs rooms to you guys. For those who don't like taking a shower in a room the size of a small closet, Red Point is the place to go. The rooms were remodeled not too long ago and the shower / bathrooms are large, very nicely tiled, clean, modern and at least as good as my bathroom at the Dynasty. Most homes don't have a bathroom that is as nice as these are.

In bed, Bai gives a decent BBBJ, though her hair hides her face for most of the activity and I have to keep brushing it aside. She uses lube with the condom so when she slid on from the girl-on-top position, it went right in, even though she is quite tight (no obvious signs of being a mommy). Yes, she was somewhat mechanical, but she knew what a man wants and she provided it. All positions were open – missionary, spoon, doggie and cowgirl. I thought for a while I could come with her, if only by shear willpower of her sexy face. I failed, but she kept trying to get me there until I told her she could stop. Too much rubbing of a man's Johnson can make it sore. There was some kissing with her and like I said, all positions were open and she tried, but this was no GFE. I have no complaints about her performance however. I may see her again just because I hope she might open up a bit on a second visit and to assure myself she really was as hot as I am saying. I have found that I might sometimes overrate a woman's appearance on a first visit, then surprise myself the next time that she really wasn't as hot as I first thought. Strange.

After that, I went back to see Ploy. She is the one who lost her American BF and is putting herself through college and working here to support her family. Great, classy girl who doesn't deserve to have to be doing this. She was out front but I didn't see her but when I approached and had to ask for her, but she was right there looking at me in the front of the not-too-busy bar smiling at me. I guess she had been wondering if I would return. She said I missed her birthday party. Huh, you didn't invite me to your party I said. She replied she did and that she got really hung over. Oh, wait, I replied, when we first met you told me you were hung over, so you had your party before I ever met you! Well, whatever. Due to her good English it was easy to talk to her, though the music in there was loud and obnoxious, by my standards. Even she didn't like it. She said she had not eaten all day, wanting to eat noodles but the food cart she likes had not come through, and if she has a hankering for a particular food she will not eat anything else until she gets what she wants. She pointed out the jean shorts she was wearing that were loose, saying they fit tight when she first arrived at the bar.

I wanted to go upstairs with her but she said we couldn't as the bar shut the rooms down due to concerns about the police. Huh? I didn't mention I had just come from an upstairs encounter, but maybe that bar isn't paying their bribe fee or something and feels they would be selected in a raid. She said they had to use ST hotels, but while she was smiling and seemingly enjoyed talking to me, and I did buy her a LD, I did not get a sense that she was wanting me to BF her. Maybe she is too shy, IDK. I have to remember that this is not a typical bar girl, so I might be misreading clues and simply thinking she really doesn't want to be with a dude more than twice her age. She did say Sunday would be her last day. She is looking forward to returning to Bangkok and school. Maybe, after I check into the new hotel, I will go back to inquire about LT with her. She is fun to talk to, so we will see. She may have been a little surprised when I then stood up and said I needed to go. I gave her 100 for her time, but left a little curious about her feelings for me. I mean, duh, I am a customer, but she didn't seem disappointed at all I didn't ask to take her to a ST hotel. IDK. I will come back tomorrow and see.

I left, a bit confused. And a bit disappointed. She is very attractive to me. Nothing else happened later that night other than I ate, then I return to my hotel at about midnight, did some packing and went to bed. So, while I tried for two, I ended up being with only one girl today.

Day 8 (Sunday).

I decided to try a soapie again. I may have swore after the last time to never do one again, but I had some sore muscles and thought a hot bath would be nice and, well, I still love the concept of a hot Asian girl rubbing her naked body up and down on mine. But of course, the reality of the experience varies considerably from what you see in the Japanese porn videos.

I went up to Sabai Dee and they actually had a halfway decent selection of girls. I chose one with light skin, relatively slender, short hair, nice smile and apparently a set of the's. I forgot her number, but her name was Fern. Cost was 2400 TB for 90 minutes (which you never get). The selection made, I paid the fee and she came over to escort me upstairs. Drinks you feel compelled to buy were 300 for the both of us, and that included the tip. She ran the bath water and got things ready, then finally came the bath. She cleaned me well and in a pleasant manner, then it was time for the body slide. She actually did better than past slides, but the dream and fantasy is while she is sliding away on top of you that you can actually slip inside her. Of course, that isn't going to happen, and with all the soap, there is not going to be any oral activity. I mean, it is fun, but over-rated. After that, you are rinsed and dried then time for boom boom. Unlike my previous 2 Pattaya soapies, Fern actually did a BBBJ. She did well and, as I said, she was quite pleasant, but also like my previous providers, it was all mechanical. Fern's body was nice, but the the's were fake and felt cold. While 90 minutes is promised, I was out within an hour. Anyway, Fern probably did as well as any soapie provider I have been with, to me, most Soi 6 girls provide a better experience for my money.

I then headed down to Soi 6 and ended up with Ploy to see her on her last day. She seemed happy to see me and we sat down with drinks to talk. She looked really hot. She said she was actually sad to be leaving. Huh? I guess she will miss her friends, but I wonder that if despite hating her job, she will miss the money. One of her friends walked by and said something. Ploy told she asked how many short times she had had thus far, and she told me she had 3. It was not even dark yet and it was a Sunday and she already screwed 3 guys? How many does she average a day, 6? 8? That is a lot of money! I can understand hating your job but when you collect the money, you may think that your job may not be so bad afterall!

Anyway, I was horny for her and it was clear the upstairs was in business there, but then she turned me down when I asked! She reminded me I had not finished with her and she was saying something about that hurt her too much emotionally. I said it wasn't her fault and that I was sorry. She said she did like me and asked me to understand why she would not have sex with me anymore. Well, I wasn't going to whine about it or beg. I just said it didn't really matter if I understood or not, but that I was sad and disappointed. But no use sticking around wasting her time or more time. I considered asking for her Line ID, but then what for? I decided a clean break here and now was best. I got up, said goodbye and wished her well. Maybe I got turned down because I was still wearing cargo shorts?

I continued walking down the street and walked by a girl looking at me and I passed her by as being too old, not a cutie and not what I wanted after looking forward to Ploy. Then she called my name. Huh? Turns out she was Jaeb and I was in front of Smoke and Kisses. I didn't recognize her, and she was a bit miffed. I let her pull me in and we had an upstairs experience similar to before, and I got the completion Ploy didn't think she could get from me.

But in reading my original report on Jeab, I said her body was 7 and face a 9. Well, I may have over-rated her face at least. And in some of my reporting I occasionally seem to over-rate girls. I try to be fair and not over-rate. I mean, I have read reports where guys will super rate a girl and I see her and I think she is ugly. Or they will say she has a great body and I see fat. I said in my Jaeb report she was one I would see again, and I did, but I would have passed her by as not good enough had she not called my name!

Anyway, after I left Jaeb my horniness was over and that ended my mongering for the day. I did take the return trip to explore the Soi 7 area. I had never been there during the night and I found it quite interesting with tons of girls, a few of them quite attractive. Another day.

Day 9 (Monday).

I am waking up too early. The Dynasty rooms I have had were excellent at blocking out the daylight, but not the Flipper House in my south-facing mini-suite. When the light comes in, I wake up. The Flipper does have a decent breakfast, and ants like it too. I had to walk past several tables to find one that not full of ants. Even the room had some bugs. Little quarter-inch things I see at night plus a few German cockroaches. I am not too squeamish, but never saw bugs at the Dynasty and, no, a few bugs won't make me not come back here. I don't like the lack of cabinetry with no drawers to put stuff away in. That is a bummer. The bathroom is nice, with a tub / shower combination, but no shower curtain or anyway to contain the water when showering. The whole room can get wet, and I knell down when showering. And it is noisy here at night. The AC drowns a lot of it out so if you are tired you will be able to sleep. I travel with a noise machine, and I am using it here to also help drown out the noise every further, but I think I could sleep ok even without it. But the room is bright and I can't sleep past 8 AM. I did bring some shades I got on the airplane. Just have to did them out. Despite this criticism, I would stay here again.

Anyway, this was a sort of laid back mongering day. I hit up Soi 6 later in the afternoon and it was not particularly busy or populated by particularly hot girls. I ended up with Noi again. I could tell she was tired but she provided another GFE. No release for me and when I give up we rolled on our sides and rested.

I left Noi and walked on towards the beach. I saw Jaeb and I confirmed the spelling of her name. She wanted me to go inside, but I declined. I really found no girl that interested me, so I headed back to the hotel. It was right at sunset so I grabbed my camera and got some shots, and got hustled a lot on Soi 7. Some attractive ladies, but I kept walking. I was hungry so I stepped into the Subway on Soi 8. There was an older lady working, plus an attractive younger (maybe 30) woman. So I am eating, then I hear some nervous laughing and the two are looking at me and they approach me. The pretty one says the other woman wants to know my name and where I am from. Ummmmm. She is wondering if my name in Tony. Ummmmm, no. Why? The younger woman then leaves (dern it) and the older woman gives me the story of knowing someone who looks like me and was from the same country and same state. The woman doesn't necessarily flirt, but she spends a while talking and invites me back. Ok.

Later I head up to Soi 6 again. I know, I know. I had BR just down the street, and a number of hot women right outside the hotel, but I like Soi 6 and the convenience. Again, upon arrival, it was not all that busy. BB Deah is out and sees me and waves. I wave but don't see the attractive Deah or the other hot girl so I keep walking. I think she is getting disappointed I haven't been back over. Nice girl, but she is not what I am looking for now. I get practically the end of the soi before I see someone I think I might like, at La La Land. Lot is a young cutie. Not a spinner, but still quite nice and she appears to be very young (maybe 20?) with a decent legs and body and, possibly, a nice set of breasts. Hard to tell. We go inside but her English is horrific. With some help from others, I learn she is fresh from Issan, being there 7 days. Wow. She is fairly shy but she kisses a few times and sits up close to me and, after a while, I decide to try her out, not really sure what to expect.

It doesn't start out so well. She sends me off for a shower while she takes one alone. In the room, like with May, the towel stays on for too long, but when it comes off, oh my, she does indeed have a nice chest. Firm but with soft nipples surrounded by light tan,1.5" diameter areolas. Perfect for a petite Asian girl. She rubs the old Johnson to rock hardness, but she does little else. No BJ. I put on the condom and she is wet and open and I slide right in. It feels nice and I wonder if I will be able to release with her. But after a few minutes of her just lying there, she starts to dry out. I want to switch to doggie, and she starts to, then she points to her knee that shows scabs from an injury, so nope, we can't do that. (I had noted the injury earlier and am hardly upset she won't do doggy – don't want to rub off the scabs and bring blood and pain.) We do spoon for a bit but she continues to dry out. We switch back to missionary and I start to put spit on my Johnson for some lube, but her got wide and she said no. Ok. I tried entering her but she was now so dry it would hardly go. Well, enough of this. Bummer. I sometimes carry a small bottle of lube but not today and she didn't have anything with her, so I just rolled over on my side to rest. I am not sure if she understood, and I might have been able to enter her, but a woman does not feel good dry, and it has to hurt them, and the condom would have broken, then moral dilemmas, etc. Just better to cut my losses and put an end to it. I was not upset, really. Just getting to be inside this cutie was sufficient I guess.

I may start carrying that lube again and I might even go see her again. She was feeling pretty good at the start, and those breasts were really nice, so we will see. She is young and I think she was trying.

I returned to Soi 7 (strange how far apart Sois 6 and 7 are) and contemplated someone there, or even a BR FL, but I didn't.

Not the best mongering day, but I still have 5 mongering days left. I have yet to pick up a gogo girl or a BR FL girl. I have become a bit spoiled by Noi who aint't bad. Totally GFE now. Taking her LT might be interesting. If she can wash and style her hair and put on some decent makeup she would be really hot.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2031068]She actually did better than past slides, but the dream and fantasy is while she is sliding away on top of you that you can actually slip inside her. Of course, that isn't going to happen, and with all the soap, there is not going to be any oral activity. [/QUOTE]Some places use a special type of soap that has no taste or a gel, or even the Nuru seaweed gel. I have certainly had a 69 on the body slide mat / mattress, and the slip inside has been known to happen on rare occasions in the past (not currently), especially in the old days at Mona Lisa (BKK) and in the more modern day where I better not name the perpetrator or venue. LOL If you find a girl willing to BB, then is possible. I am not a guy asking for BB, so I don't know the percentages of girls willing to do it. I keep vowing to try starting to ask for BB just to find out how many are really willing, but forgot to make the serious survey. Eih Tooms should know. LOL.

At Poseidon a few years back, I did fuck a girl in the bath too. These things become less and less frequent in the modern day, but not 100% impossible.

So at least test the suds to see if they have any bad taste or not. Plenty of soapy girls provide BBBJ in the bath where there are also suds. So having a special not alkaline almost tasteless soap / gel is nice when they it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2030566]Not sure which Westernized country you're referring to that are close to Pattaya pricing. I'm interested for sure since I travel a lot. Was just looking at Germany tonight and 10 hour overnight with a top end German girl is 1000 euro (37,500 baht?).[/QUOTE]+2 BB, having the itch for a spinner since returning to the west coast, I partook in a sexy one being advertised as Japanese. Rate: $260 for an hour. Service was great; got 2 pops, GFE, and the void was filled but I was definitely thinking about how much more that 260 dollars could buy me in Pattaya!

Another interesting tidbit: the girl was actually Thai! Said she was from Chang mai and I had a good laugh there. I got another Thai spinner after all, ha!

Am enjoying reading your reports very much and looking forward tk my on trip to Patts in 3 weeks time. You mention Noi and ploy many many times but hardly ever which bars they work in, this would be much appreciated if you you can help.

Thanks Hawk and continue the good work 55555.

I made the mistake of propositioning ladies who appeals to Asian tastes. Girls that whet Asian mongers appetites have a different mentality. They know they're in demand and the spoils goes to the highest bidder. I went on Soi 6 with my friend who is 1 year younger than my mother and girls were asking if he was my dad and said upfront they want to be with me. I always take my time choosing girls but he was a serious shopper ready to lay down baht. He easily affords the monger lifestyle. I'm thinking their tired of him because he is a pump and dump volume guy. Any way the guy is a pro and found a new bed partner within 10 minutes. This never happened on Beach Rd with my older friends. A mute girl preferred my older friend but he camps out on the beach for 5 hrs. A day and like the 500 baht girls.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2030987]Good reports. Your nick is familiar, I may have seen you posting in a different section?

Anyway, refusals do happen, especially with FLs. Getting an young hottie in eg iBar is a tough proposition for an older guy. Some are for no apparent good reason but normally there is some plain logic behind. The other guy may have been too quick in offering a low price, or asking for anal, CIM etc. Some girls just don't want young guys because they last longer, so much more effort, or they don't like the nationality. One just has to move on, even if it leave you uncomfortable especially as you may have to run into the same hot piece of ass again night after night.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Speed2487;2030954]5. Would like to hear more on Devil's den experiences along with the rates if possible.[/QUOTE]Rates are on their website [URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/in-call.html[/URL] IME the service is not as good as before but maybe could be a good start with 3 some for a Pattaya newbie.

Thanks for the reply.

But isn't Nuru and soapie same type of massage?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2031246]Rates are on their website [URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/in-call.html[/URL] IME the service is not as good as before but maybe could be a good start with 3 some for a Pattaya newbie.[/QUOTE]

Guys,

I was at Ibar first time. What's up with the 12 bottle beer they bring in bucket. I also saw people buying whole Glenlivet bottle. Do you have to buy all this beer to get the table there. Those were like 1500 on the menu? How much you guys spend on booze there before you hit some jackpot?

[QUOTE=Cool;2031241]I made the mistake of propositioning ladies who appeals to Asian tastes. Girls that whet Asian mongers appetites have a different mentality. They know they're in demand and the spoils goes to the highest bidder. I went on Soi 6 with my friend who is 1 year younger than my mother and girls were asking if he was my dad and said upfront they want to be with me. [/QUOTE]Just like some places are geared to Asians there are others places where Farang is King. Some Asian gogo bars would be Sensations, Baccara, Happy, Ninja. Some Farang gogo bars would be Sapphire, Windmill, WhatsUp, Skyfall, and most of LK Metro other than Ninja. Thermae and Thaniya Road in BKK are clearly Asian driven but places like Soi 6, soi 7, soi 8, Kinnaree, Soi Full Love Inn, beer bar complexes, iBar, Red Car, Beach Road, etc are clearly Farang based with girls suited more for Farang and likely preferring Farang over Japanese Korean Chinese.

[QUOTE=Speed2487;2031250]But isn't Nuru and soapie same type of massage?[/QUOTE]Nuru Is a fairly new service at Devils Den, I never tried. I always went for their classic service 90 min - 2 girls but I stop to go to DD years ago due to the worsening of the service IMO.

[QUOTE=SamWise1;2031278]I was at Ibar first time. What's up with the 12 bottle beer they bring in bucket. I also saw people buying whole Glenlivet bottle. Do you have to buy all this beer to get the table there. Those were like 1500 on the menu? How much you guys spend on booze there before you hit some jackpot?[/QUOTE]No, if there is a free table you can get it no matter what you'll order. But for a lone guy or guys it makes little sense getting a table, as it's not like the ladies will come to you (unless you're some Thai celebrity). Also what you spend there is totally irrelevant, you can go from grabbing a half empty bottle that someone has left, to buying the most expensive vodka and you will not impress anyone. If anything, the more you spend stupidly, the more likely some girl will try to get easy money from you too. Although in my experience many have common sense and will tell you that they don't care for booze beside the occasional San Mig. They want the money coming to them not the bar, with which they are unaffiliated.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2031288] Beach Road, etc are clearly Farang based with girls suited more for Farang[/QUOTE]Being honest, nowadays BR is mostly Indian playground. While other places cater to Middle Eastern, Russians, etc. But I think that once in a while it can be fun to shuffle the cards and venture around, even just to use a bit of sharp tongue if you're not well received.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2031297]No, if there is a free table you can get it no matter what you'll order. But for a lone guy or guys it makes little sense getting a table, as it's not like the ladies will come to you (unless you're some Thai celebrity).[/QUOTE]To me it makes plenty of sense to get a table or at least a chair. I do not want to stand up all night. I am the type that does not need chicks to come to me. I will grab them as they pass by or call them over to my table. Same as the last chick I encountered there grabbed me as I was walking by her table.

The people with all the booze are just trying to party. If you just want to find someone to fuck without all the partying and waiting then it is best to search out a chick that is alone or with only one other girl. To the original poster, there is no jackpot to hit. Most of the chicks in there are hookers, so the jackpot is when you pay them, not when you pay the club, as ONG was saying.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2031304]Being honest, nowadays BR is mostly Indian playground. While other places cater to Middle Eastern, Russians, etc. But I think that once in a while it can be fun to shuffle the cards and venture around, even just to use a bit of sharp tongue if you're not well received.[/QUOTE]What does it matter, though? I didn't notice any particular racial bias last December, but I wasn't checking out the racial makeup of the other punters, since the number of girls on the road seemed to vastly outnumber men on the two nights I visited. I figure a bunch of Indian guys trying to low ball the girls hard ( they are reputed to do), will just make them more excited about a polite and perfumed Westerner who is offering them a fair price. 800 baht for a sweet girl. What's not to like about that?

I am not sure or course but it feels that political correction took better of us even here. Every time I am searching for info to learn where and how to find younger girls (because for me this was a significant and frustrating effort), I can not find anything I could use so I decided to share what started working for me in case someone also could benefit but too politically correct to ask. I did not find a single post on the forum about this. So 2 things before I start. First, this is NOT post for immoral people looking for underaged. When I say young, I mean after the age of consent for either country: where I was born, where I live, and Thailand. Breaking that would be unacceptable moral discretion I (and all of us I have seen on this forum) would not accept. Two, I completely understand that these are my rules and they can work quite differently for other people; however, my personal belief is that following these rules will help anyone. Did I mention budget? Yeah, I always on the budget.

The problem statement. I like younger women, and always had trouble finding them. Many posts on this forum emphasize how experience maybe more important than youth or beauty. I respectfully disagree: if that were true, would you like a monkey? So the truth is somewhere in between, but for me, if a girl is not attractive (to me of course that is subjective), I would not do ST or LT; I always search for young gems, but more than 80% get hooked with 30+ yo and do have a great time, but this post is not about this. The problem statement here is to identify the best strategies to find young ladies (young is objective here for everyone's definition).

The difficulty and frustration. You go to Soi 6 and go 10 times from left to right and from right to left and see no one young enough. When you find someone you consider young, they start looking to a different direction letting me know, that I better stroll away. And just when the level of frustration is the highest to make thing worse, you see some gentlemen (who seems to be inferior to my fine qualities) goes away with a piece of art. Then I feel I am the only idiot in Pattaya, who can not find a young woman among thousands (hundreds of thousands, actually) young ladies every year are coming to this blessed city to earn money for them, their children, and their families. Wait, but how about Go-Gos, most girls there are quite young and many-many attractive, right? Not what I found. There are absolutely young and attractive among them, but first, they may reject LT. Second, they may reject me (or in the opposite order). And third, I may find out that I am not what they are looking for after I spent a fortune on their drinks. I can discuss in the similar fashion soppies, massage parlors, beer bars, and FLs. When I was going through all these places without a strategy, I ended up with mid-hooker-aged ladies, sometimes with bad and sometimes with decent experiences, but always frustrated in the process. Now, when I developed the rules for myself, things are much better. See if these rules might work for you and please comment, replace, and add.

Rule 1. Look when it is not dark, and not in the dark places (like many Go-Gos). There were many times I thought someone was beautiful, just to find out in the morning, that I would never pick her up in a day-light. There were a couple of times when I was horrified how I could end up with that person! And there was one embarrassing case when I left from Go-Go (BTW!) to the street and looked at my beauty again, and realized that would not bear to touch her. I immediately paid ST and let her back to the bar, but because the agreement was on LT (I only spent no more than 5 minutes outside of the club with her), she was not thrilled and neither was I as I paid BF+2 K for embarrassing myself. No more of that.

Rule #2. Always ask for age and let know that you would be looking at ID later. Looking at ID is essential: first not to get into moral dilemmas with an underaged. To me moral ramifications (never mind serious legal ones) are not worth to ignore. This rule can be called "do NOT listen to your dick's brains, use your upper ones". Second, you will learn if you can trust them and at the same time, you do not feel bad asking for it. And trust is very important if people share intimate moments with each other. BTW, I found in the last 2 times (maybe a coincidence, but I just came to Pattaya and only had to do this twice on this trip) the difference between what they said, and what ID said was 4 years: 29 instead of 25 and 34 instead of 29. BTW, for the record, still had great time with both of them.

Rule #3. Trust your dick. If you look at a girl and start wondering if she is really young but with a bad make up or maybe she is upset. Pass. Do not break your brains about it. Reason does not matter, in 4 times out of 5, your dick identifies young before your upper brain does, but it is your upper brain which will torture you with indecision.

Rule #4. Go fast and never lose hope. I really needed a massage the other day, and finally opted out on a 30 yo, smiling, nicely looking who really provided great GFE and all other services including massage. But once I entered the establishment, I saw that there were really young cuties serving other customers. They do exist, but because we choose them first, they spend way less time in-waiting than all others. This rule is also known as "mushroom-picking" I remember the times when I in early childhood in a different era and in a different country was waking up at 4:30 to leave the house at 5, and get to the train station by 5:30 and spent 2 hours on the train and from 7:30 to sunset together with my parents and friends collecting mushrooms. We were picking mushrooms the same time in the same forest, but some of us came out with many times more than others. I remember two different strategies. One go slowly and look carefully. Another go fast and stop when you found a beauty. Then look carefully, because where is one, then next to it maybe others. The second strategy always worked way better than the first and much less frustrating. So I am passing Soi 11 from second to 3rd street for massage parlos, and Soi 6 and 7 for beer bars, and Devil's Den's area Go-Gos with only one drink (or no drink) with fast pacing and so far have 100% success. One can ask how did I end up with 34 yo? For the record, I spent very happy 2 last days with her (2ST and 1 LT): face 7, body 5, GFE 10+. She just left for vacation, so sorry, can not recommend, unless you are here in a month. I ended up with Ja because I do not always look for young; sometimes, just someone's smile and pleasantness leaves me defenseless and in many cases (yesterday and the day before, as example) it paid out well.

Rule #5. Be ready for "a black swan" in order not to be disappointed. When you picked up young, you should be ready to keep your service expectations low. If she turns out to be a great provider, -- you should feel very lucky; if not, "as expected" and not vise versa. Now when I am typing these very words, a 20 yo beautiful creature sleeps in my bed (face 8, breasts 4, but figure (excl. Breasts) solid 8. 5 and only because she is short). She shocked me yesterday, after I was thrilled with her beauty and willingness to go out with me. I promised that I would treat her well and not make uncomfortable, listen to her wishes, dined her, etc. Was ready for the great night. But once we get back to my room, she all of the sudden asked me (told me, actually) if it is okay with me if we are not having sex tonight? WTF? I could not find anything better than ask, "Why?" after all this was the first time when such a thing happened to me I thought we were doing so well together. And she replied, "because she is in Pattaya only for 7 days, and before Pattaya only had sex with her husband, and for these 7 days she have been having sex way over 7 times (I am not surprised), and another sex act today will make her uncomfortable. " And if that was not shocking, her next statement was even more mind-boggling. She noticed that I was disappointed (no kidding, right?) she said that if I am not happy with her demands, then she can return back to her bar and ask her friend to go out with me. Somebody from us must be an idiot. Making long story short, I explained that I would not go with her friend but I will request BF back and make my best to upset her mama-san. Alternatively, I will be very gentle, etc. In a way more carrots and less stick, but OMG!

Good hunting, my friends!

Day 10 (Tuesday) – Soi 6 Super Marathon.

I am feeling better, and that shows in my actions of today. While this may all sound exciting to some, at the end, I did too much. It was a dumb goal but, well, men do dumb things in Pattaya, don't we? What did I do? I had a Super Soi 6 Marathon of 5 women. My previous record was 4, and even that was dumb but, before I get too old or can no longer journey to this wonderful place, I thought it might be interesting to see how far I could go. My accomplishment is really nothing to brag about. All you need is some money and a blue or yellow pill and a supply of willing girls. Soi 6 has plenty of the latter. And, too, I certainly did not release with each girl, only one. This is a worthless accomplishment perhaps, but whatever. We don't come to Pattaya to accomplish worthwhile things. We tourists have a limited time. Each girl we are with reduces the NRE costs. Screw enough girls and the NRE approached zero, right?!

I won't go into a lot of details in many cases as some I simply forget. I might even get a few things mixed up, but I will try to be accurate.

First stop was at the Pump Station with Fern (not the Fern I saw previously). She was a spinner, dark, very pretty, but quite mechanical. The BF there was 400. She was really tight, was not a mommie, and for a basic lay, she was great. The place is being remodeled and has the best towels of anyplace. I wish I could remember more. I don't recall her being even semi-GFE, but she was quite cute and that can be enough at times.

Then Oi at the Pussy Club. I would have passed her by had I got a better look at her body, but her face was nice, and she had nice legs, so I went over. She was a little older, early 30's maybe, and while not chubby, overweight. I stuck with her as she was a sweet girl. BF was 350 here (all girls on Soi 6 I was with were 1000 for their time). She gave good service and really tried, and I may have been able to release with her, but I held back.

Then Bell at the Bunny Club. She was really attractive, and tall. She kind of reminded me of Brook Shields back in the day. Her hair was quite striking and when she came into the room after her solo shower, my jaw nearly dropped. Her face has some acne, and she has one child, but you couldn't tell it from her body. She had a nice set of semi-firm Bees which quite surprised me for her being a mommie. No signs of suckling that I could see, nor really any stretch marks. She loved to kiss, but was otherwise uninspiring. She rubbed my Johnson, but did little else. Like many, she started out super wet but dried out, but I had my lube this time. We did have a moment where we switched to doggie but she left me to find her hole on my own to enter her. Most girls will guide you in. I was trying to find the right hole, moving my Johnson up and down to find the right spot, then I found it but, oops, I was in the wrong one. She shrieked in pain as I entered her anus. I only entered an inch, and I felt bad and deeply apologized to her for doing so. I had not intended to do that, me not being a anal fan, but she was a good sport and after a bit was ready to resume. But in missionary, not doggie! I loved her soft, clean brown hair and long legs and could have released with her even with a condom I am sure, but I held back. Once I released, I knew the desire would likely be over to complete my quest.

I was tired and hungry so I headed back to the hotel for food and rest. I contemplated going to WS, perhaps first bringing back a BR FL girl then a high priced gogo girl. At the last minute, I instead decided to head out to Soi 6 to set my record, departing at between 8 to 9 PM. I first went by Full Moon to see if my Deah from a year ago was there. She was not, but big breasted Deah was there and she was disappointed I had not stopped back by since the previous Sunday. She grabbed my hand and pulled me in with those DD's staring at me. I decided go up with her, knowing I would get a semi-GFE. I could have released with her, but that would have meant only tying my record. She was sad, having previously stating she wanted to see me come after I failed our first time. I think BB would have been an option with her, but I resisted.

I left her and then walked by Noi. I have already been with Noi more times than ANY sex worker, but she is almost exactly like a GF now, so why not set my new record with her? Well, because I could probably find a cuter girl? But, Noi was cute enough and I knew she would be able to give me a great, GF-like release. The thing with repeating with the same girl is that the girl gets comfortable with you, and things do get better with Noi each time, and this time was no exception. She spent lots of time on the oral, and for a few minutes she took me fairly deep and really slow and it felt absolutely awesome. I almost thought I would come orally with her, but man did it feel nice. The rest of the experience was pure GFE and she seemed to really be getting off as well. It all ended nicely.

I gave a brief thought to going for 6, but my Johnson was feeling the wear and tear of the day. Several of the girls, in trying to get me off, were too rough on the HJ's. One of the girls had a pussy so tight it almost hurt. So, yeah, I have put my poor old Johnson through enough for one day. For maybe multiple days! So, passing up some cute girls, I returned to the hotel and rest and recover.

Day 11 (Wednesday) – Day of Rest.

I did no mongering today. Yesterday took too much out of me. My Johnson is worn and demands some rest. Doing 5 girls was too much. I am getting less sleep at the Flipper House as I can't block the sun very well, and I am too lazy to dig out my sleeping mask. I will do that tonight. After today I will have just 3 days to monger before heading out to be with my virgin Thai GF. Will I finally break through that Kevlar hymen of hers this time? If / when I do, will I ever return to Pattaya?

But I have been doing some thinking. After moving to Soi 7 my venturing to WS has nearly stopped. The Flipper House seems populated with couples, not just dirty old men, and I feel more self conscious with the thought of bringing back a working girl here. I know, who cares, no one knows me here! And I am waking up early, as I said, and am tired by midnight. I don't even feel like going out, and the best time to get a disco girl is after 1 AM. I know, I can get a gogo girl anytime, and maybe tomorrow I will go do that. There are no 10's on Soi 6, but there might be a few on WS I can find.

Hi guys!

Any recommendations from TF App?

There's too much in that, most of the girls are ready for 1 k ST.

Sometimes too much option confuses one.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2031351]What does it matter, though? I didn't notice any particular racial bias last December, but I wasn't checking out the racial makeup of the other punters, since the number of girls on the road seemed to vastly outnumber men on the two nights I visited. I figure a bunch of Indian guys trying to low ball the girls hard ( they are reputed to do), will just make them more excited about a polite and perfumed Westerner who is offering them a fair price. 800 baht for a sweet girl. What's not to like about that?[/QUOTE]Some girls have a racial bias on BR. Not making eye contact is one of there tactics.

[QUOTE=YuriB;2031459]And if that was not shocking, her next statement was even more mind-boggling. She noticed that I was disappointed (no kidding, right?) she said that if I am not happy with her demands, then she can return back to her bar and ask her friend to go out with me. Somebody from us must be an idiot. Making long story short, I explained that I would not go with her friend but I will request BF back and make my best to upset her mama-san. Alternatively, I will be very gentle, etc. In a way more carrots and less stick, but OMG!
[/QUOTE]And for the record, how that ended? I've never returned a girl in Thailand because I don't BF, but let many Fls go with taxi money. I returned girls on a couple of occasions in Vietnam. In Pattaya I returned a go-go girl on behalf of a friend while we were still walking, BF money came back on a tray in 1 minute for anyone to see. I think that being kind and caring may work with some girls but not with all. Some just behave for the moment (leaving the bar no matter their pussy conditions and summing up a BF) and think they can manipulate the customer without using hands. Which I guess in many cases they manage to do.

Got a huge suite booked for s great deal of 3,000 Baht at one of the LK brand hotels in Central Pattaya tomorrow. I guess this is considered low season but the hotel prices are dirt cheap. Anyways, my plan is to hang out at LK Metro or Skyfall on Walkig street on Saturday night. I will bar fine a cute and have fun in my suite. Saturday I plan to checkout at Noon and head over to Soi 6 to try two ladies over the course of the afternoon. I will report back on my findings at LK Metro. I don't hear too much about the bars there on the forum so I will try and report some significant info. Walking street will be my backup plan.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2030566]Not sure which Westernized country you're referring to that are close to Pattaya pricing. I'm interested for sure since I travel a lot. Was just looking at Germany tonight and 10 hour overnight with a top end German girl is 1000 euro (37,500 baht?).[/QUOTE]The FKKs in Germany have reasonable pricing. You pay an entrance fee, about 60 to 80 Euros, and each session is 50 Euros. The entrance fee entitles you to free food and free drinks, and you can stay as long as you want.

No need to pay 1000 Euros for a German girl, they have a reputation for lousy performance, confirmed by the gew German girls I saw.

I spend 4 night last week have a good time 5 girls 2 from beach Road got lucky on first night got a young one for 800 bht ST service is OK.

She is new in town, one girl in Soi 6 at full moon bar 1350 bht service is good, I went to Soi 6 on a Thursday selection is poor much better.

On Friday and pick up 2 FL from I Bar 2500 bht first one good GFE stay til morning the 2nd one have bad attitude with a hot slamming body.

Complain too damn much so I kick her out after one shots.

I did finally make it to Kinnaree pratnamak Soi 4 take a motorbike 100 bht.

From central Pattaya the Sunday roast buffet is OK, it was just too.

Dark in the bar and girl are below average don, t see why I need to barfined.

Here.

Fast Eddie 48.

Day 12 (Thursday).

It is really hot today, but I head off to Soi 6 around 2:30. Banana Boy raved about Thai Rose, the first club on Soi 6 off 2nd street on the north side. I have noted girls there and, as he said, they often had their faces buried in their cell phones so I never considered them, as I tend to only go to girls who look and smile at me. There was one cutie out front, face in her phone, but I continued walking, wanting to take in the whole street before choosing someone. Deah waved from Full Moon. I walked over and she was dressed up today and looked pretty nice. She did not try to lure me in, knowing I was on a hunt, but letting me know she was there for me. I continued on and walked past Noi's bar really without knowing it. I have no idea if she saw me or not. I really wasn't seeing all that much I was interested in. I continued on and Jaeb was out and she called me over. She, too, was dressed up and with her makeup on, her face looked especially nice. She tried to get me to go in but I resisted.

I then circled back on Soi 6/1 back to the entrance and at Thai Rose there now 3 girls, including a really hot sweet young thing. I walked over, she looks up, and she asked if I wanted a drink so we went inside. She could not have been over 21 and was pretty close to downright beautiful. I sat down and while her English was horrible, who cares? She brought my drink and then promptly proceeded to leave me. I am sit there, no one else in the bar but the mamasan / bartender, feeling like a fool. Is the girl coming back? I look out through the curtained door and can see the girl is out front. I wait a little then decide she isn't coming back and I sure ain't going to sit inside alone like a fool. I get up, take my essentially full drink (a can on Coke Light, not even served with a glass of ice) and sit it on the bar and pay my bill. The mamasan / whatever seems a little surprised that am I leaving so soon but says nothing. I walk out and the girl, who is soooo hot, was over at a food cart buying something. I glance at her and head westward. I think she sees me leave and I think it was her who shouted out something, but not to me. My brain interpreted what she said as "why did you let him leave? But my understanding of Thai is hardly sufficient to understand anything more than "thank you". I have been handed off to a different girl, but never dumped on Soi 6. I can understand she considered me too old or otherwise undesirable and didn't want to be with me, so whatever. Not going to let it upset me.

I then went few bars down to Mod Bar. (I met to identify the bar with Lilly the LB, but keep forgetting.) I went over to say Hi to this dark-skinned spinner who looked really young. We went inside and she said she was 21 and had been in town for just 1 week. She had poor Engligh and though she was touching and rubbing my rubbing my legs and arms, I was not developing any feelings with her. Her face, while pretty, was not exactly sexy, and I was having doubts. Several times I thought of asking her to go upstairs, and several times I thought of just walking off as I was not sensing we would have that great of a time. Some of that was because she admitted to having a kid. But, I decided to go on and ask her upstairs, but then she said due to police raids we would have to go to a ST hotel, a 5 minute walk away. But the BF was 300 and her rate was 1000. Well, I didn't want to have to go to a ST hotel, so I used that as an excuse to listen to my brain and cancel the deal. She did seem disappointed, but I gave her 100 for her time and that satisfied her.

I proceeded on to the Ruby Club and met Amm, a light-skinned Issan girl who was cute in that girl-next-door sort of way. Nice body, great legs and pretty face and hair. Her English was not good but I learned she was 27 and had a child. The bar was busy but she stayed with me and within 10 minutes she asked if I wanted to go with her. Ummmm, ok. ST or LT? I don't get asked that question too often, but I said ST would be fine for now. BF was 300 and her ST rate was 1000. We went upstairs and the room had been recently remodeled and was nice. She showered me and I got to look at her naked body. Breasts were very small, but she had a nice figure with no obvious signs of childbirth. In bed, she wanted to know if I like smoke (BJ), and I laughed and asked what man didn't, but would she first just lie down with me. She did. I touched her and she stroked me to hardness. She was in no obvious hurry and seemed to simply take the latest direction I offered. When I asked for smoke, she smiled and proceeded with a pretty good one. I was surprised, actually, as I thought it would be mechanical, but she did good. And she kept going, switching things around. She would take about half of me in, then she would lick the head, then do other little things. I was impressed. I finally had to stop her and ask for a condom. She put it on and climbed on top. I have to say some of these Asian girls with children remain tight, and she was no exception. We did several positions and I was about to believe I would be able to release with Anm. I got soooo close, but failed. Had she been a little more active I might have gotten there, but while sweet and accommodating, she pretty much just laid there, though she at least smiled. She was concerned I was not happy when I pulled out. From her viewpoint, she had done everything I had asked, or was able to ask. I just tried to keep it simple and say I was too old. No use trying to explain how I can rarely release into a condom or that she needed to do more touching and stuff. She was a sweet girl and I would probably see her again if I was going to be here longer.

My Johnson was still a little sore from the marathon, and not really finding anyone else I wanted to be with on Soi 6 at that time, I went back to the hotel. I enjoyed a tasty burrito at the Mexican place there on Soi 7, then returned to the hotel to try to decide how I would spend the evening. It has been days since I have been to WS, should I go? Should I look for a FL on BR? Go back to Soi 6? Visit an agogo? Well, I was involved with some other things and before I knew it the time was 10:30. I went down Soi 7 and Soi 8 looking, not really being all that impressed, but I let this sort of cute spinner pull me in to some bar I can't remember. Great figure and legs. She is sort of pretty and as soon as she sits me at the bar almost immediately after I order my drink she hits me up for one too. Well, I am getting a better look at her now, and I don't like being immediately hit up. I look around and see several obvious LBs there. Hmmmm. I look at her and her face is, well, pretty but different. Do her hands appear to be larger than a normal girls? No sure. But she is petite and those legs. The voice also seems to be just a tad off. Not high pitched, but not low pitched or odd sounding. So, is this a girl or not? I tend to think she is a she, but alarms bells are going off and even if she is a she, I don't think I will enjoy looking at the face so much banging her now that I study it. I decline to buy her a drink. I kind of ignore her after that and soon she gets the hint and bugs off. She was probably a girl, and I could have asked, but the face that at first appeared cute to me was quickly losing its' attractiveness, so I did the right thing.

I head back towards my hotel, and at the place just west of the Flipper House, next to a massage place, a pretty girl outside calls me over. I am certain she is a real girl. Really nice legs, fairly slender with a nice face, I go over and let her take me inside. It is sort of a sports par with a huge TV screen showing a soccer game. We sit down and I order my soda and we talk a little. Her English is poor but we can talk a bit. I buy her a drink then she drags out one of those games that I should know the name of, and where these girls always beat me, but I guess I am getting better and I win a few. Then, after maybe a dozen games she gets up, goes to the back (I assume to the toilet), then she goes outside and, well, leaves me hanging! Huh? Well, ok. I got used, though I did enjoy the time. I pay the bill and leave. As I pass by she smiles like nothing is wrong. I guess she is a coyote, there to lure guys in and when I didn't buy more drinks she just up and left me. Ok, fine. I was going to ask her to go with me, but I guess she wasn't that type of girl.

I simply decide to call it a night. I am wearing down, and being unable to sleep past 8 AM, I am tired. Sigh. So I return to my room, shower, watch some news, and go to bed. I will only have two more mongering days now. Time is running out.

Day 13 (Friday).

My next to last mongering day. I am ready to leave I think. I think 10 days might be the ideal time to stay here, but everyone is different. Are you guys getting tired of my reports? Sex multiple times a day, day after day, loses some of its fun. It becomes works. You feel you have to go out and get laid often because of all the money you spent to get here and that in a few more days it will be over and you will go back home to bitchy, fat western women, and you will start to dream of that return trip back here. And as I commented on, hours and hours of actual intercourse and sucking takes a toll on one's Johnson. I have heard a few comments from other attesting to this. One guy freaked he had some disease but, no, just too much sex with condoms with insufficient lube.

Anyway, only two women today which, actually, is a good number. On Soi 6, I saw a cutie out front at Good Fellas. Her name was Kat and, OMG, I am forgetting things less than 20 later. She was semi-dark, pretty, and I am losing it here. Like me, she likes cats, and I had a good time with her but I really don't remember much. Sheesh. How many of us can barely remember anything at all about a girl we had sex with the day before? I think I had a good time!

I left and proceeded down the street and Noi called me over. She was dressed in a tight pants suit that she looked good in. Her hair was down and washed and she looked pretty good, but her mouth looked different. She has braces! When did she get braces. Yesterday? We sat and touched and stuff for a long while, and while she is practically a GFE now, I felt I didn't want her right then. So I said I had to leave and would be back, and I tipped her well for her time. I continued walking to the west and Pa at Miss be-haven called out to me. She was slightly miffed I didn't remember her but, well, it has been a week or so. I seem to remember having a good time with her, though I just then passed her by without being overly impressed. But, she is practically a spinner so I go in and see wants to skip the drinks and head upstairs, so fine. She is cute, but she had the slightly droopy breasts. Sex was fine, she is tight and all, but nothing great and I leave and return to the hotel.

On the way back, I see there is some sort of food festival along BR. At the hotel I run up and grab my camera and head back right before sunset to take pictures. Some attractive Thai news lady was there interviewing someone. It was all pretty neat and tons of people were out. There was also some sort of event and VIP dinner.

After my own dinner, I returned to my hotel, then went out to wander around Soi 7 and 8 again. There are some nice women here, I suppose, but I partook of nothing. Coming back to the hotel I walked by Kung, the presumed coyote near the hotel who dumped me two days earlier. She was all smiles and called me over. I went and she grabbed my hand and asked where I was going. I said to my hotel and she asked if she could go with me. Huh? I said you stood me up the other day, but I don't think she understood. But fool me once, shame of you, so I declined.

I thought of returning to Soi 6 and Noi, but I didn't. I should see her Saturday and say goodbye, but I hate goodbyes. I will figure it out tomorrow.

So that concluded my mongering day. Two ladies, but I suppose you can tell I am wearing down.

Thanks FL for TOFTT at Thai Rose. That really sucks about the girl. I guess I'm different than you, likely not in a good way. In a circumstance like that I would have said something to the mamasan expecting to get my lady drink money back. I don't care about the money but I do want to express my displeasure. I guess it's better she did what she did rather than you having a shit session upstairs with her.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2031607]And for the record, how that ended? [/QUOTE]I never had to return the girl because we compromised. I did not get all I wanted in the evening, but in the morning all demands were removed. I paid only 2 K instead of 2. 5-3 K as agreed; she did not behaved as agreed and she knew it and she accepted 2 K with gratitude (or at least without complains). But this is what I think was going on. Our communication in 90% was via phone apps translation. And she felt some pain in the lower stomach area and that scared her a lot. So she was afraid that she might have gotten something from previous customers. As she was on her jobs for only 7 days, anything spooks her. I was too tired to fight my mind and physically and return her at 2 AM (or about that time); plus I might have put her in trouble for the reasons behind her control -- in any way, I felt other things we did were satisfying somewhat. When she woke up she felt better, so no demands. In the morning (as from the moment I took her) she was giving me real GFE, and I asked for her to stay one more day with me -- to which she refused and promptly left at 10 as agreed: go figure.

FL, you did very well I think, always listening to the 6th sense. I'm sure I had been reading your good reports on a previous occasion.

It has been ages since I stopped doing detailed reports but I should add my grain of intel here even if in a short form. 1st lady at Lucifer (which is totally OK I'd say), around 30, slim with short hair, loves to dance, she even brought me under the spotlight! Overall looks 6 1/2, attitude 7 (she did not counted pops, but did a runner anyway), sex drive a full 8! Have lost the number but will look for her again.

Lek also from Lucifer, is an old acquaintance already. Always friendly and available, small frame with silicon, unfortunately she's weak in bed and not attractive. Definitely the last time for me.

Last one. Surasee from I disco where she was standing by the bar in the corner alone. Petite and flexible with a bit of beer belly, pretty enough with great long black hair, doesn't smoke, no tattoos likes to dance and party to death, very friendly and easy to laugh. We did 2 LTs (actually it was most of the day including sightseeing). Very good English, zero bullshit, she's actually very intelligent and aware of things, likes to go out at night, very good and active in bed, the kind of girl that really deserves to be treated well. However after two nights I wanted to take time for me, which honestly hasn't brought me much except a lot of club hopping.

I gave all these ladies 2 K with no negotiation, which this trip I don't want to make if possible, at the same time declined 2 K ST 1 pop from a sexy tight body at Insomnia, one of the best looking small sized ones. There are really few of these so as you spot a decent one you better be quick.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2031933]It is really hot today, but I head off to Soi 6 around 2:30. Banana Boy raved about Thai Rose, the first club on Soi 6 off 2nd street on the north side. I have noted girls there and, as he said, they often had their faces buried in their cell phones so I never considered them, as I tend to only go to girls who look and smile at me. [/QUOTE]Agree, I always avoid all the girls are too busy with their phone.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2031933]I walked over, she looks up, and she asked if I wanted a drink so we went inside. She could not have been over 21 and was pretty close to downright beautiful. I sat down and while her English was horrible, who cares? She brought my drink and then promptly proceeded to leave me. I am sit there, no one else in the bar but the mamasan / bartender, feeling like a fool. Is the girl coming back? I look out through the curtained door and can see the girl is out front. I wait a little then decide she isn't coming back and I sure ain't going to sit inside alone like a fool. I get up, take my essentially full drink (a can on Coke Light, not even served with a glass of ice) and sit it on the bar and pay my bill. .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2031942]Thanks FL for TOFTT at Thai Rose. That really sucks about the girl. I guess I'm different than you, likely not in a good way. In a circumstance like that I would have said something to the mamasan expecting to get my lady drink money back. [/QUOTE]Lady drink money back? FL Hawk don't wrote that she order a LD and leave, he said she gave him the coke and leave.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2032133]Lady drink money back? FL Hawk don't wrote that she order a LD and leave, he said she gave him the coke and leave.[/QUOTE]Sorry I misread it. Then it makes more sense that the girl left, albeit quickly. She may have interpreted that not getting a lady drink may have meant you weren't interested in her. Thai logic.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2032160]Sorry I misread it. Then it makes more sense that the girl left, albeit quickly. She may have interpreted that not getting a lady drink may have meant you weren't interested in her. Thai logic.[/QUOTE]I think some young thai girls have need to learn how to take care their customer. Pity the mamasan and old school girls don't teach the new generation.

I won't barfine from anyplace that has both ladies and ladyboys. I really wish bars wouldn't hire both. Great reports as always FL Hawk.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2032133]Agree, I always avoid all the girls are too busy with their phone.
[/QUOTE]I disagree. I recently took a Soapy girl whose head was down fiddling with a phone. She was just great. Definite repeat prospect. Best one for some time.

What does fiddling with the phone indicate? Nothing much at all. Just that she was bored previously sitting with nothing to do. Could be her mother just texted a message to her.

I am opposite. I avoid girls that look wildly keen in an exaggerated way. I prefer a more natural non fake non actress personality. Sometimes I move around to get a chance to see a girl from a different angle, instead of front on. This is defeated by the girl if her head follows me. So I prefer to be studying the girl while she is not making googoo eyes at me, so I can see her normal types of looks.

It's a different thing though if when signalling interest to a girl, that she then refuses to look at you further, or tries to hide. So you sit with her and if she is still showing complete disinterest, like looking away or not talking at all, that is no-go sign for me.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2032459]I disagree. I recently took a Soapy girl whose head was down fiddling with a phone. She was just great. Definite repeat prospect. Best one for some time.

What does fiddling with the phone indicate? Nothing much at all. Just that she was bored previously sitting with nothing to do. [/QUOTE]Well, you talking about soapy, while we were talking about soi6 which are two different environments IMO. In soi6 normally the girls call you and invite you to the bar, if the girl just sit on the stool and seems busy with her smartpone (play, chat, look FB) sure I keep walking and don't stop to talk with her.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2031934]Day 13 (Friday).

My next to last mongering day. I am ready to leave I think. I think 10 days might be the ideal time to stay here, but everyone is different. Are you guys getting tired of my reports? Sex multiple times a day, day after day, loses some of its fun. It becomes works. You feel you have to go out and get laid often because of all the money you spent to get here and that in a few more days it will be over and you will go back home to bitchy, fat western women, and you will start to dream of that return trip back here. And as I commented on, hours and hours of actual intercourse and sucking takes a toll on one's Johnson. I have heard a few comments from other attesting to this. One guy freaked he had some disease but, no, just too much sex with condoms with insufficient lube.[/QUOTE]I think we have all experienced that [I]beast of burden[/I] wall at some point or another. I like to take a short break, and then change up the punting routine. The [I]break on through[/I] moment will come soon enough 555.

SL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2032459]I am opposite. I avoid girls that look wildly keen in an exaggerated way.[/QUOTE]Yeah I had a horrible session at Sabai Dee in Pattaya. The girl was giving obvious signs of interest. She made the "I'll blow your mind" hand / lip-reading gesture. Seemed very keen / perky. But in the room she: spent almost no time doing foreplay, tried to jerk me off to completion on the soapy, then said I was too big (she was far from tight) and she could only do missionary and I'm sure there were some other starfish-like qualities with her. Also she had a cunty attitude the entire time and then asked for a tip at the end. Never going back there again as they have some service landmines I rather not navigate.

Which one is better to spend time?

Soi 6 or Walking Street?

Hi,

Can you please shed some light on the name of the hotel and how you made the reservation?

I am looking at standard sites like agoda / booking but not finding any great deals. My trip is in mid June and the rates I am getting are around 85-90 $ a day. Baraquda is the one I am zeroing in on at the moment but any insights would be greatly appreciated. My budget is around a $100 bucks a day.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2031617]Got a huge suite booked for s great deal of 3,000 Baht at one of the LK brand hotels in Central Pattaya tomorrow. I guess this is considered low season but the hotel prices are dirt cheap. Anyways, my plan is to hang out at LK Metro or Skyfall on Walkig street on Saturday night. I will bar fine a cute and have fun in my suite. Saturday I plan to checkout at Noon and head over to Soi 6 to try two ladies over the course of the afternoon. I will report back on my findings at LK Metro. I don't hear too much about the bars there on the forum so I will try and report some significant info. Walking street will be my backup plan.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoverG;2032539]Can you please shed some light on the name of the hotel and how you made the reservation?
[/QUOTE]Keep the Hotel talk in: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1875-Pattaya-Hotels[/URL].

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2032494]Yeah I had a horrible session at Sabai Dee in Pattaya. The girl was giving obvious signs of interest. She made the "I'll blow your mind" hand / lip-reading gesture. Seemed very keen / perky. But in the room[/QUOTE]Yes. Definitely obvious signs of being interested in 2200 baht. An empty wagon makes the most noise.

Sorry, I will going forward.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2032542]Keep the Hotel talk in: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1875-Pattaya-Hotels[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Speed2487;2032501]Which one is better to spend time?

Soi 6 or Walking Street?[/QUOTE]Your bank account will say Soi 6. Depending on what you like, and that is subjective, I would say better to try both out. You can start with sio 6 early and Walking opens as early as 7:30 in some (few gogos) but doesn't really start until 8:30-9:30.

I have got an urgent request and am improperly posting here, where there is more traffic: I am near booking a hotel in Phuket and wonder if anyone knows whether the Avista Hidewaway (Sofitel MGallery) near Patong is GF (shame on me for the intrusion).

On to the report: Ah, the rush of being back in Pattaya after an absence of about two months! Even as I begin my five days in Thailand I am already wistful knowing that it may be a year, or years, before I can figure out a way to scam my way back. The "Thailand again?" is raising eyebrows, damnit.

So I have checked in to the Baraquda, which owing to the usual Thai logic, has rewarded my repeat business with a crappier room and a minibar with fewer amenities. Nevertheless, the place suits a purpose. Its proximity to LK Metro was nice last night. Owing to my cluelessness, I had never been to that area for agogos and found the talent certainly matching the Walking Street ones. Prices, however, are roughly similar, so there is no distinct advantage. The names of the places escape at this morning hour, but I visited Touch and Champagne, the latter where I barfined a girl named Nid, early 20's, a reddish-haired spinner. By the light of day her face would rate a 6-7, but that unblemished little body rocked my world. I believe I was simply tired from the airport / flight by about 10. (Initial plan was to get a foot massage and sleep along Road 2, hit LK Metro and then to Walking Street to see whether the hot lingerie dancer was still at Skyfall. But you know how things work out with the little head working its way into the plans.) The barfine was 800 baht, with a quote of 2 K ST /4 K LT. I suggested that Nid and I decide in the room whether it would be ST or LT. She thought it humourous that I'd use the "Eeeessss up to yoooo" with her.

Back in the room it was immediate business, good GFE and deep kissing. We laid on the bed for a few minutes, played like we were high school kids in a heavy petting session. Went down for a quick taste. All was good. So off to the shower it was for both of us, a good lather and rinse.

Nid couldn't get enough DATY, though the session was more of my giving and her taking, but as it's something I dig, so much the better. There was not one pussy-eating position that escaped our routine. I worked two digits into her snatch as I suckled her, driving her wild. I did not bother to ask whether she came, but I suspect it was a multiple for her. The wide smile afterward seemed to answer that.

It was a great session, though a little more reciprocity on her part would have been kind; had to basically stick my dick in her mouth. Thankfully, she was as pliant as most Isaan girls, smoking being a regional speciality, and once she started going it was great. Went for MISH, and I simply could not hold back as we went at it doggy, with her looking into the floor to ceiling mirror (thanks Baraquda! By then we had agreed to LT (that being she would stay through morning / breakfast.) She slept in the bed nude, we cuddled nicely, yet the sleep would have been more restful -- for the both of us -- separate. About 7 am, semi-awake but caressing her beautiful body stirred the little guy. I feared ruining her mood but began sucking her nipples and going down on her again. She seemed to welcome the gesture, if nothing else that her obligation (the morning session) would be fulfilled earlier than later. This is where expectations might have been managed earlier (or perhaps not, owing to her poor English): I suspect the present definition of LT is two pops. However, I went at it at 7 am Thinking I might eke out another one before all was said and done, to at least improve the value).

I went down on her but had no intention of repeating the evening's chiropractic neck-breaking session (she really enjoyed riding my face), so I put the wrapper on and hit MISH and doggy. As I had missed out on one of my favorite positions, cowgirl, I directed her to give a little head, which she did with the quality of a Miele vacuum (goofy comparison of the day, and no, I have not tried such a device). With her then astride in cowgirl, it occurred to me that the Isaan agogo girls I have enjoyed seemed to be challenged with this particular position. They love to grind deeply, rather than riding as you'd see in porn. This gives way to fear of the condom coming off, and this was true as Nid worked to get it in deeply. Nice work. I finished the second fantastic mission in MISH.

We showered, and as she grabbed her clothing I convinced her to get two more hours of sleep with me, that we would get breakfast afterward. So, about 90 minutes later we awakened. I could have made an attempt for a third session, but with my desire waning put the baht in her purse and sent her on her way. (My experience is that the hotel breakfast buffets hold little appeal for the girls, and saving me USD 12 hardly broke my heart.).

Hi,

Sorry if this is the wrong thread to post this in, but anyone know of any pharmacies in Pattaya selling the vitamin V?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=CharleyTwins;2032892]Hi,

Sorry if this is the wrong thread to post this in, but anyone know of any pharmacies in Pattaya selling the vitamin V?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yeah, when you walk out of your hotel take a right. It's on the right hand side a ways down.

[QUOTE=LoverG;2032539]Hi,

Can you please shed some light on the name of the hotel and how you made the reservation?

I am looking at standard sites like agoda / booking but not finding any great deals. My trip is in mid June and the rates I am getting are around 85-90 $ a day. Baraquda is the one I am zeroing in on at the moment but any insights would be greatly appreciated. My budget is around a $100 bucks a day.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I stayed at LK Renaissance. I used booking dot com to reserve my hotel. It was as I said 3,000 Baht which is about 82 USD, the same as you are getting on Agoada. In fact, this hotel also advertises on there. The room was huge, with 1 bedroom, kitchen, living room, study, and bathroom. 2 large screen tvs and very fancy decoration. I'm not sure what is wrong with what you are not finding but it's easy as far as I am concerned.

Headed to Pattaya on Saturday by taxi from Sukhumvit road. The price was 1,500 Baht plus the tolls. It took about 2 hours and the driver took me right to the door of my hotel.

I stayed at LK Renaissance just off of 2nd road on Soi Diana, 2 minutes from Soi LK Metro and Soi Bukow. The rate was 3,000 Baht booked from booking dot com. It was a large suite with a living room, kitchen, study, and bathroom. A lot of fancy decorations and 2 big screen tvs. Low season is great. Hotel is GF and they always ask for the lady's ID card.

As I stated, I wanted to check out LK Metro. Th bars there are as follows:

Bachelor Club Agogo bar.

Champagne Agogo bar.

Crystal Club Agogo bar.

Destiny Agogo bar.

Gold Club Agogo.

Kaos Agogo bar.

Kiss Agogo bar.

Lady Love Agogo bar.

Ninja agogo bar.

Office Agogo bar.

Pandoras Agogo bar.

Paradise Agogo bar.

Queen Club Agogo bar.

Showgirls Agogo bar.

Sugar Sugar Agogo bar.

Touch Agogo bar.

I visited a good number of them but can only remember some points about a few. Ninja Agogo clearly caters to Japanese customers but the talent is very bad with very few beautiful ladies. Big disappointment. The office Agogo also the same. Just a few ladies not even worth looking at. Clearly in my eyes, the one with the best talent was Bachelor club Agogo. All the ladies were all natural and young. I visited most of the rest but it all became a big blur after. Here's what happened. The first one I stayed at for a beer was Bachelor Club Agogo bar. The talent was excellent. Most ladies with all natural bodies. I spotted a 20 year cutie and asked the server to go and get her. Then it started again with this ladydrink question. Telling me I must buy her a drink and very rude behaviour. I'm asking myself, who in their right mind would invite a lady over and not buy her a drink? Ridiculous! Eventually she came over and sat with me. She's ordered a coke. We were having a pleasant conversation and I was about to order more drinks and then she got up and left saying she would be back after her dance. She was very cute with natural see cups and a very nice ass and no baby. I was just about to buy some shots and bar fine her. Instead I paid for the 2 drinks and left. All along the side there were other ladies sitting playing their phones. It was like they were only aloud to dance and sit. Very crazy for a bar with such great talent.

Next after looking in the Office and some others, I settled into Paradise Agogo. Saw two all natural A cup spinners and invited one over for a drink. Funny but had the same deal about ladydrinks again. Must be a new trend. We started chatting and all was good. I motioned to the other girl to come over as well. I wanted to buy a bunch of shots for the three of us and see where that would take me. Either a duel lady barfine or choosing one out of the two. However the second girl just looked at me with a black stare. I asked the server to bring her over and there was no answer. Finally talked to the manager and he tried but alas no luck. Who knows what the hell was going on. He gave me a story about her having another customer but there was none to be found. At this point I paid and left. I was beginning to think there was something wrong with me. In Bangkok I normally have no issues with the ladies in the Gogos, very strange. I went into another and sat down forgetting the name but at this point I was already done so after one beer, I left for walking street.

Walking street was a whole different story. I went into about 6 places but the all the names evade me now, I remember that in most places I could not keep the girls off me. All wanted to sit with me and drink and have me take them out. Skyfall being the most noteable and I almost pulled the trigger with a girl names Pui from Changrai. Alas with all the Agogo drama recently, I decided to go next door to the big group of beer bars. To my surprise, there were many hot girls in every bar. A few laps back and forth and I settled down in one. There was a very hot girl called Nana. We immediately hit it off. I spent about 4,000 on drinks plus 1,000 barfine. We left the bar about 10:00 PM to drink at Insomnia a few doors door. A holidaying German couple joined us from the bar. To make a long story short, these two were swingers and I was fooling around with this German girl and my Thai lady while the German guy just watched for the whole night. They asked to come to my hotel but I'm really not into this so we declined. My lady was ok with fooling around in the bar but no further. We left together and went back to my hotel just the two of us.

In my room we stripped down and took advantage of the Jaquizzi. We were in there for a good 2 hours from 2-4 AM fooling around. She gave a great BBJ in there and we screwed a little. Back in the bedroom the sex was great. Multiple positions and a real GFE. The best part was the finish in doggy and her reactions to DATY, priceless! We were both tired from the nights escapades so fell asleep. In the morning the second pop didn't happen at first and I needed to rest a little before a very energetic 2nd attempt. I ended up finishing in doggy with a great view of her tramp stamp on her beautiful bottom. Extended my check out to 13:00 and rested a little before going out for lunch and cutting her loose, I slipped her 2,500 Baht for LT I guess. All in all a good end to the night.

My overall opinion of LK Metro is not good. I'm not sure if any of the bars there are extremely successful. All I know is the vibe is very dull with no atmosphere and very rude staff. Walking Street is much better and more customer friendly in my eyes. However, in my view, Pattaya is the place to hook with a chick LT and have a great time. You can have a great chance finding a diamond in the many smaller bars on Walking street or elsewhere to help you achieve this. So if I had 3 or 4 days to spend in Pattaya, I would spend each day searching for one LT encounter per day. Go for dinner, dancing and back to my hotel for 2-4 pops over the course of the evening amd next morning with a stunner.

On a side note, I did not have a chance to go to Soi 6 or do any of the massage shops as I was too busy with my chosen companion for that night. Overall a great one day trip.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2033263]However the second girl just looked at me with a black stare. I asked the server to bring her over and there was no answer. Finally talked to the manager and he tried but alas no luck. Who knows what the hell was going on. He gave me a story about her having another customer but there was none to be found. At this point I paid and left. I was beginning to think there was something wrong with me. In Bangkok I normally have no issues with the ladies in the Gogos, very strange.[/QUOTE]I went to Paradise a month ago and bought a very tan but cute spinner a LD. She just was sending the wrong signals. Bragging about the fact that she gets BF'ed every night, momentarily walked off at one point without saying a word, and just generally standoff-ish at moments (there was some connecting going on but she was just a bit of a space cadet for it to go anywhere further). I asked about ST prices just curious and I think it was 2500ST. I told her I would be back but never returned as the place is ran by boiler room fraudsters and I just rather not knowingly go to a place like that. Also the quality is very bad, save for that 1 girl who was just OK looking / cute.

[QUOTE=Franga;2030103]A few days ago I took a beach road freelancer that I had taken almost exactly 10 years ago in 2007. She still looked pretty much the same, and hadn't stacked on the kilos like some of the other chicks who I used to take 10 yrs ago.

As a price comparison, in 2007 I paid 500 baht for her ST services. Now in 2017 she quoted me 800 baht. I ended up trying to bargain a 700 baht price with her but she stood firm on her 800 baht price point. As she was on my bucket list to try this trip I agreed to her price and we headed off to the same ST room we used 10 yrs ago. The ST room charges 120 baht. Back in 2007 it charged 100 baht.

Doing some calculations, and even though pussy prices are rounded to the nearest 100 baht, the price for this girls services has increased by 4. 8% per annum over the last 10 years. Now looking at the CPI (consumer price index) data for Thailand, the CPI has increased by 2% per annum in the last 10 yrs. However when I look at food price inflation data, this has increased by 4. 3% per annum.

So I would suggest that the prices of chicks on BR are subject to the normal forces of economic supply and demand and that they would track food price inflation? Luckily, food price inflation in Thailand has been trending down over the last few yrs and is now slightly negative, so my expectation is that pussy price inflation will not be an issue in the coming yrs?[/QUOTE]I have seen similar price increase over the last five years (traveling there from US) but similarly housing, hotel and other cost of living has gone up over the same period of time.

[QUOTE=Allover;2032378]I won't barfine from anyplace that has both ladies and ladyboys. I really wish bars wouldn't hire both. Great reports as always FL Hawk.[/QUOTE]I'm the same way also unless the LB is a janitor / papasan.

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;2033351]Was walking down Beach road about 3 AM looking for some strange to take home. Man, the pickings around that time are slim! [/QUOTE]The police does a sweep every evening at 2 AM or a bit before, they've been doing it for a year now. Past around 1 AM, pickings will indeed be slim. If you have to, your best bet is probably to look at stragglers on the other side of the road, not the beach. Walking street is better at that time, but it's a bit of a zoo with far too many ladyboys for my taste.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2033390]There are tons of girls on Walking Street at 3 am. Why not go there instead of Beach Road?[/QUOTE]The bus stop FL on Walking Street want a lot more than the ones on Beach Road. If you catch a chick just walking on Walking Street then it is a different story.

I'm not a big FL guy but I have on 2 occasions picked up a girl at Red Car for 1000ST. Both were about 21 and cute enough to work in a gogo bar. I don't think that is unreasonable. Also picked up a Walking Street FL outside Palace agogo for 1000ST. I know it's not 500-700 baht for a Beach Road FL but imo it's worth 300+ baht for some pretty decent quality, especially at 3 am.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2033263]All in all a good end to the night.

Overall a great one day trip.[/QUOTE]Very refreshing report, thank you for this. I think one of the reasons the girl really warmed up to you and provided GFE was because you spent a small fortune at her bar.

I wish people would spend time writing reports rather than engaging in meaningless discussions like price inflation among hookers. I also read reports of people trying to talk down a 800 b quote for ST. Sad.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2030178]2 huge problems I saw with both price and supply in pattaya on my recent trip this March and April[/QUOTE]Sounds like the basement is the best place to be.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2033685]Sounds like the basement is the best place to be.[/QUOTE]Oh I agree. And that's just how markets regulate themselves. I only do P4 P if I 1) Enjoy it 2) can easily afford it *every* night. Otherwise for me, it's not sustainable. For Pattaya, I used to get LT from young 20 year old bar girls for 1500 LT (BF included) regularly. Now that is no longer the case, even the "basement" appeals more to me honestly. These girls are not that much to get worked up about for 3000 baht (but I have no problem spending 4000 baht in a Bangkok soapy, as it's a quality thing to pay for actual models).

[QUOTE=AddisDude;2033465]I have seen similar price increase over the last five years (traveling there from US) but similarly housing, hotel and other cost of living has gone up over the same period of time.[/QUOTE]Hardly it has. Food, accommodation, health services, incidentals, everything is the same or cheaper as it was 5 - 7 yrs ago. My "four star" Hotel is $21 a night. Perhaps only the 99 Baht buffets are no more, but certainly are not missed. And if one hunts for price, can always find cheaper. I don't know or care about barfine or go-go prices.

Hi,

Which hotel you get for 21 dollars a night and how far is it from Beach road love to know as sounds like a great deal if not out in the sticks somewhere.

Thanks for any info.

[QUOTE=Cool;2033467]I'm the same way also unless the LB is a janitor / papasan.[/QUOTE]A LB can be a waitress or a mamasan. It is quite incorrect protocol (rude) to call a LB a papasan in Thailand. We have to get used to the idea that they are "ladies" (of the 2nd type), even if we don't want to fuck them. I mean officially we should not know if they have a dick or not. You have to use "she" and "her" pronouns as well.

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BKKdog, went through your LK Metro gogo bar list and one name didn't ring a bell with me, Pandora's. Google mapped it and I had to laugh since I had no idea this was a gogo bar. Just thought it was a bar. Will have to check it out and provide you guys a report.

"under government orders to clear up the illegal sex trade in karaoke shops, beer bars and soapy massage establishments or ap-op-nuat".

Another sign of force taking photos on Walking Street Tuesday night. No arrests. Notice gogo bars are not on the list to crack down on. Forgotten or no longer a target?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2033863]BKKdog, went through your LK Metro gogo bar list and one name didn't ring a bell with me, Pandora's. Google mapped it and I had to laugh since I had no idea this was a gogo bar. Just thought it was a bar. Will have to check it out and provide you guys a report.[/QUOTE]I believe that is the bar that Ricky of Baby Dolls / Private Dancer fame now manages. Never go wrong in one of his bars in my experience.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2033755]A LB can be a waitress or a mamasan. It is quite incorrect protocol (rude) to call a LB a papasan in Thailand. We have to get used to the idea that they are "ladies" (of the 2nd type), even if we don't want to fuck them. I mean officially we should not know if they have a dick or not. You have to use "she" and "her" pronouns as well.[/QUOTE]The opposite applies to Tomboys including wanting to fuck them.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2033873]"under government orders to clear up the illegal sex trade in karaoke shops, beer bars and soapy massage establishments or ap-op-nuat".

Another sign of force taking photos on Walking Street Tuesday night. No arrests. Notice gogo bars are not on the list to crack down on. Forgotten or no longer a target?[/QUOTE]How come you quote something without mentioning the source? Use of the term "beer bars" is strange since that is a colloquial term, yet "Soapy Massage" is explained as "ap-op-nuat". Are you talking about a sign saying this or something else?

Can you rephrase this "Another sign of force taking photos on Walking Street Tuesday night. "? Who was talking photos? Police or yourself?

It is unlikely that sex trade is allowed in bars, just because they have 4 walls. So likely "beer bars" is a mistake, if was written in English. Of course sex trade will be allowed in Massage shops that do not provide a Soapy bath, nor have a fishbowl. LOL Just trying to indicate how silly this.

Perhaps the key point should be "illegal sex trade", meaning cracking down not on sex but on under correct age girls or girls that do not have Thai identity card. These are the things cracked down on in Bangkok.

Sorry it's from Pattaya One.

[URL]http://pattayaone.news/en/yet-another-sex-clean-pattaya/[/URL]

Police do photoshoots whenever they walk through Walking Street. Happens often. As you may be aware, Pattaya Police are going mental over some news articles published in a British tabloid that no one in the world reads except for Brits.

No, the crack down is on the entire sex trade for all girls/ladyboys. Pretty sure no one is going to the dirty beaches in Pattaya without the sex industry.

Not sure about BKK but in Pattaya if someone says a beer bar it's one of the thousands of non-enclosed / outdoor bars in the city. Some place like a gogo bar would never be referred to as a beer bar.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;2033996]The opposite applies to Tomboys including wanting to fuck them.[/QUOTE]Not clear what your point is here, especially about the fucking. I lack the intuition to know what you are thinking. Is it even more rude to ask a Tom for a fuck than to ask a girl? I guess it's less rude to ask a ladyboy for a fuck. LOL Just kidding.

While it is very clear that ladyboys are dressed and made up to be ladies, it could be quite unclear whether a girl is a Tom or not, and what her (or should I be saying "his") sexual preference is. I fucked a "Tomboy" (perhaps bi-sexual) who looked somewhat feminine except for short hair and boys clothes on the street. Not a very masculine face or body (good tits). The Tom did not seem to dislike DATY, kissing, nor dick. Acted like a normal girl on the bed. I have also fucked a Tom's girlfriend. The "Dees" or "Fems" are typically bisexual, I think. The one I think of now has a husband and a baby, after splitting from the Tom.

In the movie "Girl with the Dragon Tatoo", she was a Gothic or Punk Tom, but she fucked the man in the story too. She hated certain men, but not all men. Just a story I know, but maybe some Toms are actually Bi-sexuals.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2033863]BKKdog, went through your LK Metro gogo bar list and one name didn't ring a bell with me, Pandora's. Google mapped it and I had to laugh since I had no idea this was a gogo bar. Just thought it was a bar. Will have to check it out and provide you guys a report.[/QUOTE]As you read, I did not have a good time on LK Metro. As you won't be back to Thailand for a while, do you have any advice on navigating LK Metro? I clearly got it all wrong. To me it's seems to be the bazaro world Agogo area. I've had great times on Walkimg Street, Soi Cowboy, Nana, and Stephan Kwai but this place was just crazy. There were even very few customers. How do they get by?

[QUOTE=Broxy;2033754]
Which hotel you get for 21 dollars a night and how far is it from Beach road love to know as sounds like a great deal if not out in the sticks somewhere.
[/QUOTE]I was just making an example. Please keep Hotel talk in its section.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2033689]Oh I agree. And that's just how markets regulate themselves. I only do P4 P if I 1) Enjoy it 2) can easily afford it *every* night. Otherwise for me, it's not sustainable. For Pattaya, I used to get LT from young 20 year old bar girls for 1500 LT (BF included) regularly. Now that is no longer the case, even the "basement" appeals more to me honestly. These girls are not that much to get worked up about for 3000 baht (but I have no problem spending 4000 baht in a Bangkok soapy, as it's a quality thing to pay for actual models).[/QUOTE]I have been in pattaya since 7th of this month and definately can say that quality is a big miss this trip. Yes I have been around town from Soi 6, LK Metro, WS, kinnaree where I had a good time and have visited twice already. Insomnia has been kinda Sausage fest for the last few days with very slim pickings. I might be very picky myself but then choice does matter to me. Getting laid is not an issue at all for sure but I had a better time during my visit in October last year.

I do have 3 more days of stay left and will be frequenting all places again just in case my earlier visits were on a bad day.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2034194]I have been in pattaya since 7th of this month and definately can say that quality is a big miss this trip. Yes I have been around town from Soi 6, LK Metro, WS, kinnaree where I had a good time and have visited twice already. Insomnia has been kinda Sausage fest for the last few days with very slim pickings. I might be very picky myself but then choice does matter to me. Getting laid is not an issue at all for sure but I had a better time during my visit in October last year.

I do have 3 more days of stay left and will be frequenting all places again just in case my earlier visits were on a bad day.[/QUOTE]Hi,

In my past visits to Pattaya I thought of visiting Kinnaree but somehow couldn't. Since you had good time there can you tell how are the girls quality and at what rate? I again visit Pattaya in August and this time definitely I will explore kinnaree.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2034194]I have been in pattaya since 7th of this month and definately can say that quality is a big miss this trip. Yes I have been around town from Soi 6, LK Metro, WS, kinnaree where I had a good time and have visited twice already. Insomnia has been kinda Sausage fest for the last few days with very slim pickings. I might be very picky myself but then choice does matter to me. Getting laid is not an issue at all for sure but I had a better time during my visit in October last year.

I do have 3 more days of stay left and will be frequenting all places again just in case my earlier visits were on a bad day.[/QUOTE]I was in town with Illusion and I concur with his assessment. I mostly stuck with my Ibar regular from last trip, one Pochahotas looking hottie I found at Red Point and a couple of very nice girls I met through the internet. So good ones can be found. It just takes a lot more effort.

Did not make it to Kinaree as I was usually preoccupied with my LT from the night before.

I think this is to be expected this time of year and pretty much jibes with what I'v experienced in the past. My trips in August-September have always been the best in terms of selection, then my May trips, and worst December-January.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2034201]

I think this is to be expected this time of year and pretty much jibes with what I'v experienced in the past. My trips in August-September have always been the best in terms of selection, then my May trips, and worst December-January.[/QUOTE]True that, my visit last year in August and October were very good comparatively.

As you rightly said choices are there on social media but need effort. Yest met a tinder girl for ST. I am right now waiting for a Laotian cutie to turn up. Hope she doesn't stall me.

Visited Rasputin earlier today, picked a sideliner girl, lot of beautiful ones there. Best time as per my guess is between 6 to 7 pm for wide selection in case anyone is interested. Prices start at 4000 and go upto 6000 b. Saw two Russians or Uzbeks not sure as I wasn't interested in them.

Guess I have to start planning for my August visit.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2034194]I have been in pattaya since 7th of this month and definately can say that quality is a big miss this trip. Yes I have been around town from Soi 6, LK Metro, WS, kinnaree where I had a good time and have visited twice already. Insomnia has been kinda Sausage fest for the last few days with very slim pickings. I might be very picky myself but then choice does matter to me. Getting laid is not an issue at all for sure but I had a better time during my visit in October last year.

I do have 3 more days of stay left and will be frequenting all places again just in case my earlier visits were on a bad day.[/QUOTE]I've had good times there as well in 2016 Oct. And in 2012 June-July. I think perhaps the lower part of the actual low season. Maybe it's because the rain scares people from committing to book that time, people hate the idea of being stuck in a hotel on their holiday, despite the rain not lasting long of a duration in Thailand. Also a lot of people want to do more than *just* p4 p, even if they take their LT / LLT girls out with them. Hard to enjoy day-time beach / island stuff it's dark and cloudy with a chance of rain.

I'm thinking, better to try again soon, but during / around songkhran was not so great.

I didn't find it so great May 2016 which is the reason I chose April and May 2017 to be away from Songkran and low season. I found that by the end of June 2016 the girls started coming back a little. Guess they started running out of money! By mid September the numbers started increasing. In October I can say it was good again. In November girls just started popping up everywhere. It was unbelievable until mid-December, 2016. Over Christmas and New Year's Pattaya sucked major ass. Worst time of year by far. I went to some clubs and there were only about 25% of the girls they normally had. So, imo if I were to only go to Pattaya once a year I would choose somewhere between Nov. 7 and Dec. 15.

The above is just my thoughts and only based on 2015 and 2016. Before 2015 is irrelevant by now. Interested to hear what others feel is peak season for girl quality/quantity in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2034261]Guess I have to start planning for my August visit.[/QUOTE]

This better include PP or Vietnam with Uncle V and I.

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya;2034201]Did not make it to Kinaree as I was usually preoccupied with my LT from the night before. [/QUOTE]

Unfortunate, Kinnaree is made for you. Definitely way more your type than mine. Kinnaree girls would love you.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2034116]As you read, I did not have a good time on LK Metro. As you won't be back to Thailand for a while, do you have any advice on navigating LK Metro? I clearly got it all wrong. To me it's seems to be the bazaro world Agogo area. I've had great times on Walkimg Street, Soi Cowboy, Nana, and Stephan Kwai but this place was just crazy. There were even very few customers. How do they get by?[/QUOTE]I have to admit my first 2 extended trips to Pattaya I wasn't a fan of LK Metro even though guys like Breadman and Finnish Fucker kept telling me it was good place to be. As I became more of a regular and many girls in every club started recognizing me it became much more fun. There is just no pressure there. Way more laid back girls overall. I really don't have a strategy for you. LK Metro is a bit different. As you pointed out, most of the time there are only 4-5 customers in these clubs with many girls. My LK Metro girls tell me they work at LK over WS since the clubs are very relaxed on their rules. They do realize they are going to make less money than on WS. Some of my girls make 500 baht in a night but they're still happy and cheerful.

I know you had a poor time at Ninja and yes even Ninja can be bad at times. Unlike many of the other LK Metro girls Ninja girls get barfined by the Japanese and Korean, sometimes right after it opens. However, when Ninja is right it can match any club on WS, Nana, and Soi Cowboy. There can be some very pretty girls there. Unless you stayed for an entire round many girls just hide upstairs. They usually have 4 sets of girls when the club is rocking.

If you head back to LK, try Kaos. It's likely the smallest gogo bar in the world but if you can find a girl you like there you will have a blast. A lot of time there are 15 of them just standing outside the bar trying to lure customers in. Touch also has 2-3 top gogo girls. I posted their photos on ISG fairly recently.

That really sucks to hear Christmas and New Years are bad since that is when I plan on going, I would have thought, since I assume most are Buddhist, they wouldn't care about western holidays so it would be business as usual. Hopefully since it is my first time and I don't know any better I won't be disappointed like you guys =p.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2034404]

Unfortunate, Kinnaree is made for you. Definitely way more your type than mine. Kinnaree girls would love you.[/QUOTE]Definitely need to find a way to work it into the itinerary based on you recommendations.

The two times I was there, once on a Sunday and once on a following Tuesday (both with our mutual buddy form Canada), however, I didn't find the girls to be all that great. But I need to give it another go.

[QUOTE=Savethe7;2034438]That really sucks to hear Christmas and New Years are bad since that is when I plan on going, I would have thought, since I assume most are Buddhist, they wouldn't care about western holidays so it would be business as usual. Hopefully since it is my first time and I don't know any better I won't be disappointed like you guys =p.[/QUOTE]It is still worthwhile to go and you can have a great time. The fact that it is the low point of the year does not dissuade me from going.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2034404]I didn't find it so great May 2016 which is the reason I chose April and May 2017 to be away from Songkran and low season.

This better include PP or Vietnam with Uncle V and I.
[/QUOTE]Wise decision BB to stay way at this time of the year as I know you also always look for quality gals. I would also recommend August to October as I found less travellers from my earlier experiences and choices are plenty. I was here once during Christmas in 2015 and have decided to never visit during that time again. Always found Manila and AC more fun despite being Christian country. Guess girls there need money more than holidays.

I plan to visit Phnom Penh or Jakarta followed by Angeles and finally Pattaya. Will be in touch with you and UV on the dates if we can connect during this time.

Coming back to short FR from yest, The Lao cutie from social media stood me up eventually. Good 1. 5 jours wasted. I decided to venture north as it was only 11 pm and ended in one of the small bars after soi 6 on second road as I spotted a potential. She turned out to be an ex WS gogo gal working in a small bar as she had been sponsored by a dude from Sweden. Amazing time with her back in hotel. Went to Lucifer and met 3 more of her friends and had fun till wee hours. Back to hotel and another round later I let her go with 2 k LT and good tip because that's what she wanted. She's flying to Sweden for 3 months shortly and showed me her ticket. Good for her and best of luck for the dude. Amazing experience, has happened twice with me of finding a gem in a small bar on north. Just needs bit of walking effort.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2034577]
Coming back to short FR from yest, The Lao cutie from social media stood me up eventually. Good 1. 5 jours wasted. I decided to venture north as it was only 11 pm and ended in one of the small bars after soi 6 on second road as I spotted a potential. She turned out to be an ex WS gogo gal working in a small bar as she had been sponsored by a dude from Sweden. Amazing time with her back in hotel. Went to Lucifer and met 3 more of her friends and had fun till wee hours. Back to hotel and another round later I let her go with 2 k LT and good tip because that's what she wanted. She's flying to Sweden for 3 months shortly and showed me her ticket. Good for her and best of luck for the dude. Amazing experience, has happened twice with me of finding a gem in a small bar on north. Just needs bit of walking effort.[/QUOTE]Nicely done!! You are the King of the small bars and master of finding the needle in the haystack!

Second agogo stop (after Skyfall, where the lingerie dancer I coveted was nowhere in sight; clearly two months is eons in Pattaya time) I thought to hit Happy Agogo, if nothing else to get honked off about being ignored, and thus making all the other agogos afterward look good by comparison. Well, what a difference time makes. The girls' attitudes have taken a 180-degree turn for the better, smiling, making eye contact with farang alike. And then another in the chain, Beach Club, where I had a great time last trip, was nothing but nonstop begging for lady drinks, for "my freeens", yada.

The talent pool at Palace was quite nice. I nearly closed the place down. The girl I fancied was on her mens. The backup dancer somehow developed an attitude (perhaps not liking being the backup? Who knows, and I'll never ever try to understand the logic of Thai bargirls.). Ended up being stupid, skulking around iBar until fucking 6 a.m., when I ended up taking an Issan girl (agreed via her "friend" for "LT" until 11 a.m. for 2K. Really stupid of me. Though the session was just fine, the girl suited up to take off after the first shot. I convinced her to sleep a bit, and told her "then we wake up and do boom boom"). Well the girl's English was, of course, crap, and she seemed inexperienced in the protocol. After we slept a couple of hours she awakened and put her kit on. I then tried to explain that with no second act, that she would only get 1K, which probably was her original expectation. Rather than go for round two, she took the bill and left. So much for the better.

I am looking forward to my last night this evening. Have a date with a former Walking Street dancer turned young professional. Had great reunion sex with her earlier in the week (which was never even expected, though I wined and dined her with no conception as to whether she would want to stay the night, which she did. Even more than intimated bareback, which I demurred on). And still I remain as clueless as ever about this place.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2034116]As you read, I did not have a good time on LK Metro. As you won't be back to Thailand for a while, do you have any advice on navigating LK Metro? I clearly got it all wrong. To me it's seems to be the bazaro world Agogo area. I've had great times on Walkimg Street, Soi Cowboy, Nana, and Stephan Kwai but this place was just crazy. There were even very few customers. How do they get by?[/QUOTE]The redeeming quality of LK Metro is that it is void of the throngs of tourists and terrorists; mostly ex-pats who call LK Metro home. It's refreshing to me and a much needed break from all the crap on WS. The girls in LK Metro are friendlier, don't hawk drinks for all their friends and are enjoyable to chat with in a non-rushed environment. Just MHO.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2034577]Wise decision BB to stay way at this time of the year as I know you also always look for quality gals. I would also recommend August to October as I found less travellers from my earlier experiences and choices are plenty. I was here once during Christmas in 2015 and have decided to never visit during that time again. Always found Manila and AC more fun despite being Christian country. Guess girls there need money more than holidays.

I plan to visit Phnom Penh or Jakarta followed by Angeles and finally Pattaya. Will be in touch with you and UV on the dates if we can connect during this time.

Coming back to short FR from yest, The Lao cutie from social media stood me up eventually. Good 1. 5 jours wasted. I decided to venture north as it was only 11 pm and ended in one of the small bars after soi 6 on second road as I spotted a potential. She turned out to be an ex WS gogo gal working in a small bar as she had been sponsored by a dude from Sweden. Amazing time with her back in hotel. Went to Lucifer and met 3 more of her friends and had fun till wee hours. Back to hotel and another round later I let her go with 2 k LT and good tip because that's what she wanted. She's flying to Sweden for 3 months shortly and showed me her ticket. Good for her and best of luck for the dude. Amazing experience, has happened twice with me of finding a gem in a small bar on north. Just needs bit of walking effort.[/QUOTE]I like it there all year round. Especially during low season. And I usually stay 9 months out if the year. With side trips to Indonesia, Laos, etc. During the next 9 months in Asia I will finally go to PP. Met a guy on the flight back to the USA and he has a bar there. So.... I gotta go check it out. :D

Nice find on 2nd road. In regards to the 'tip' part of your report. No need to tip.
1. 2000 baht is plenty (I usually give 1200-1500 for LT). For the past 6 years, I may have donated 2000 baht to only about 3 or 4 girls.
2. Taking her to the club is costing you even more money.
3. That chick had a sponsor. So she doesn't need YOUR money. 2000 was already enough.

Glad you had a good time. I hope guys keep that tipping stuff at home. (giving the girl an extra 60-100 baht for the moto taxi the next day is fine, but tipping is not necessary).

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2034776]That chick had a sponsor. So she doesn't need YOUR money. 2000 was already enough.[/QUOTE]This is a really good point. Some guys look at these girls who have Sponsors as gold diggers sucking guys in. Personally I really like girls with Sponsors since they will only charge me for a bag of Squid chips. They're already set and are just going out to have fun now while their Sponsors are away.

I used to go to China quite a bit for work, had a bar girl pick me up one time, she wasn't going to take no for an answer. Similar situation, had a German guy looking after her and she was bored when he wasn't around, I saw her at least 5 times and all it cost me were drinks here and there and dinner once.

Probably similar anywhere, girls don't need cash they are just bored and horny so if they like you enough it shouldn't cost you much more than your time and a bit of effort to make them feel appreciated.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2034599]Nicely done!! You are the King of the small bars and master of finding the needle in the haystack![/QUOTE]And this also happened to me.

Picked one from Insomnia yest, cute young spinner, gogo girl agrees on 3 k LT. Back in the room we are ok, no pics, I don't push. After a pop she pulls the oldest trick on me that her roommate has lost room key and she needs to go. I have no choice but to pay and let her go. She asks for entire money and eventually I end up giving her 2 k. I know I should have given her less, etc but I didn't want any drama at that time hence just let it go.

The young ones do make it difficult at times.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2033689]Oh I agree. And that's just how markets regulate themselves. I only do P4 P if I 1) Enjoy it 2) can easily afford it *every* night. Otherwise for me, it's not sustainable. For Pattaya, I used to get LT from young 20 year old bar girls for 1500 LT (BF included) regularly. Now that is no longer the case, even the "basement" appeals more to me honestly. These girls are not that much to get worked up about for 3000 baht (but I have no problem spending 4000 baht in a Bangkok soapy, as it's a quality thing to pay for actual models).[/QUOTE]Sarcasm clearly isn't working. Sigh.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2034577]Amazing experience, has happened twice with me of finding a gem in a small bar on north. Just needs bit of walking effort.[/QUOTE]If you look at Pattaya from a business angle, clearly you can see that the GoGo bars and discos are tourist traps. If you want to find a chick who will fuck to your heart's content, always hit the bars that are off the beaten path. There are untold riches waiting to be uncovered (pun unintended).

More power to you IH.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2034860]And this also happened to me.

Picked one from Insomnia yest, cute young spinner, gogo girl agrees on 3 k LT. Back in the room we are ok, no pics, I don't push. After a pop she pulls the oldest trick on me that her roommate has lost room key and she needs to go. I have no choice but to pay and let her go. She asks for entire money and eventually I end up giving her 2 k. I know I should have given her less, etc but I didn't want any drama at that time hence just let it go.

The young ones do make it difficult at times.[/QUOTE]We all live and learn. Personally, I do not see the attraction in staying up till 3 am to hook a hooker only to be stiffed by her after one pop. But one has to take good times with the bad, happy times with the sad. Have fun.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2034860]And this also happened to me.

Picked one from Insomnia yest, cute young spinner, gogo girl agrees on 3 k LT. Back in the room we are ok, no pics, I don't push. After a pop she pulls the oldest trick on me that her roommate has lost room key and she needs to go. I have no choice but to pay and let her go. She asks for entire money and eventually I end up giving her 2 k. I know I should have given her less, etc but I didn't want any drama at that time hence just let it go.

The young ones do make it difficult at times.[/QUOTE]Don't even think of LT if you don't know the girl in the modern day. Start with ST, and if is really going great, see if she can be persuaded to extend to LT (many won't do LT). I only do LT with one girl I have known for years, not that young, that I know is really keen on a morning fuck. Some of us are used to sleeping alone, I guess.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2034860]And this also happened to me.

Picked one from Insomnia yest, cute young spinner, gogo girl agrees on 3 k LT. Back in the room we are ok, no pics, I don't push. After a pop she pulls the oldest trick on me that her roommate has lost room key and she needs to go. I have no choice but to pay and let her go. She asks for entire money and eventually I end up giving her 2 k. I know I should have given her less, etc but I didn't want any drama at that time hence just let it go.

The young ones do make it difficult at times.[/QUOTE]Don't sweat it illusion. Got to take the good with the bad. And getting your nut off with a 20 something hottie for under $60 USD isn't all that bad.

I've found that the only real litmus test for discos is if you click and have a natural, "spontaneous" (not forced) makeout session with the girl at the club. Btu if you are too strict about this and make it a rule you may pass up on some good girls, as some girls are just too shy to do this.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2034881]If you look at Pattaya from a business angle, clearly you can see that the GoGo bars and discos are tourist traps.
[/QUOTE]What discos' have to do with go-go bar? In a disco I'm never pressured for drinks and I approach anyone that I like, for a length of time that is up to me. Plus, I can dance if I like or just hang out. Try that in any kind of bar? All and any of the few great finds I've had in the years have been in a disco, except one or two girls that were in the street stumbling back home.

Of course, I gave the early checkout to more girls that I can remember. Which is just good.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2034963]What discos' have to do with go-go bar? In a disco I'm never pressured for drinks and I approach anyone that I like, for a length of time that is up to me. Plus, I can dance if I like or just hang out. Try that in any kind of bar? All and any of the few great finds I've had in the years have been in a disco, except one or two girls that were in the street stumbling back home.

Of course, I gave the early checkout to more girls that I can remember. Which is just good.[/QUOTE]From my experience discos will pressure certain clientele for drinks and there has been notorious cases in the past where Indians were turned away from bars for not purchasing a single can of coke despite being a group of 6-10. Also discos have distasteful practice of charging locals less for drinks. The disco is great for dodging bar fines and getting a hottie for close to beach prices. The downside to the disco is it can be a sausage fest and girls out with their friends may want to party and drink at night. Discos are great for pump and dump but terrible for a serious girlfriend. Who would trust a girl exposed to the disco 3- 5 nights a week. The party girl vibe wears Schick / vibe wears thin after a few weeks.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2034963]What discos' have to do with go-go bar? In a disco I'm never pressured for drinks and I approach anyone that I like, for a length of time that is up to me. Plus, I can dance if I like or just hang out. Try that in any kind of bar? All and any of the few great finds I've had in the years have been in a disco, except one or two girls that were in the street stumbling back home.

Of course, I gave the early checkout to more girls that I can remember. Which is just good.[/QUOTE]Gogo bars are a thing of the past, the days of having to buy a girl an over priced drinks just to talk to her are numbered. I never barfine anymore unless its for a soi 6 short time other than that I pick up freelancers from nightclubs for half what the gogo girls ask. I still go to gogos early in the night before nightclubs are busy but if I bought a girl a lady drink I expect to see some tits and her grinding in me.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2034963]What discos' have to do with go-go bar? In a disco I'm never pressured for drinks and I approach anyone that I like, for a length of time that is up to me. Plus, I can dance if I like or just hang out. Try that in any kind of bar? All and any of the few great finds I've had in the years have been in a disco, except one or two girls that were in the street stumbling back home.

Of course, I gave the early checkout to more girls that I can remember. Which is just good.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you have not noticed what they charge you for a pint of beer at some discos. If I am right a beer at Lucifer costs 150 baht? Ever see what the same pint costs at a 7/11 or even an open beer bar?

If you have been having a good time in discos, then good for you. I am not looking to convince anyone of my views and opinions and I am not about to change them either.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2035190]Gogo bars are a thing of the past, the days of having to buy a girl an over priced drinks just to talk to her are numbered. I never barfine anymore unless its for a soi 6 short time other than that I pick up freelancers from nightclubs for half what the gogo girls ask. I still go to gogos early in the night before nightclubs are busy but if I bought a girl a lady drink I expect to see some tits and her grinding in me.[/QUOTE]Gogo bars will not die an economic death as long as there are punters. The main attraction of a Gogo bar is the opportunity to see several good looking girls with little or no clothes on for the price of a drink. But as wise men would concur, this is how it all starts. A few people like you and some others on this forum not barfining from Gogo bars will not alter their financial fortunes. They have other patrons with deep pockets to keep them going. Plus, many Gogo bars are plain fronts for other activities.

I've been to Pattaya three times now. All three trips were in the Jan-Feb time frame. Currently, I'm planning a trip with my best friend there in mid-July. Can some of the expats in the area give me a rough estimate of how many fewer working girls will be in the gogo's and Soi 6 bars at that time?

Will there be 30% less girls roughly? That seems to be the area most people hint at, but I've never seen any straight answers.

I'm not worried about having a good time and finding girls. It's Pattaya! I'm just curious about the differences between my usual travel dates and this July.

Funny side note: I'm not going to tell my friend which girls aren't really girls. It's his first time to Thailand. It's going to be hilarious watching him try to figure it out. (I wouldn't do this usually, but my friend is very mild-mannered) I'll make sure to post reports of our adventures!

I'm also thinking of staying at the Pattaya Blue Sky since my last hotel was a disappointment. If you disagree with the choice, let me know.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2032995]Yeah, when you walk out of your hotel take a right. It's on the right hand side a ways down.[/QUOTE]That place is too expensive!

Mr. Charley Twins will save a bundle if he goes to the pharmacy on soi with the bars, near the 7-11.

I have been coming here off and on since 2005.

This time I'm trying to just get freelancers off Tinder and get them to come to my hotel. Seems like the short time rate has jumped to 1 k with some lookers wanting 1500.

Had a session with a 20 year old with great tits called Mind. She couldn't come to my hotel because she lost her ID card so I went to her bar which was just off Soi Buakow. The bar was called Pinup bar and its down a little alley off Soi Buakow, opposite Saswadee Hotel. She gave a real GFE experience and lovely BJ skills. Damage was 1 k and 300 BF. I highly recommend giving her a whirl and her English was pretty good.

Once again staying at Areca which is good value for money but the internet is terrible.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2035190]Gogo bars are a thing of the past, the days of having to buy a girl an over priced drinks just to talk to her are numbered.[/QUOTE]Not sure which Pattaya gogo bars you have gone to and when your last gogo bar visit was but there is FAR more than just talking after you buy a lady drink.

[QUOTE=Cool;2035060]From my experience discos will pressure certain clientele for drinks and there has been notorious cases in the past where Indians were turned away from bars for not purchasing a single can of coke despite being a group of 6-10. Also discos have distasteful practice of charging locals less for drinks. The disco is great for dodging bar fines and getting a hottie for close to beach prices. The downside to the disco is it can be a sausage fest and girls out with their friends may want to party and drink at night. [/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure that Insomnia charges the same for locals and falang. Those fuckers are mercenary. There is a discount card, but anyone can get one.

Yes they can be a sausage fest. And they are not a sure thing. But if you have a little game and patience you can do some good work there.

[QUOTE=Cool;2035060] Discos are great for pump and dump but terrible for a serious girlfriend. Who would trust a girl exposed to the disco 3- 5 nights a week. The party girl vibe wears Schick / vibe wears thin after a few weeks.[/QUOTE]Anyone coming to Pattaya looking for a serious girlfriend is seriously deluded, no mater what venue they choose to look for them.

I do repeat with girls and develop relationships. I'm not lookign for pump and dump but more for a friends with benefits relationship on a p4 p basis. You can still have an emotional connections but you know that there are boundaries and limits. At the end of the day I know what she is doing behind my back and that she has every right to do it if I am not sponsoring her. I don't sweat it because I am doing the same when she is not around.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2035298]A few people like you and some others on this forum not barfining from Gogo bars will not alter their financial fortunes.[/QUOTE]Every baht counts. Entire economies (at least ones the books), can be counted down to the last penny. Second, Pattaya / Bangkok get a lot of punters coming in from online forums (not so much this one). There are many punters who use reports to determine if their next trip is worth it or not, that is if they don't already have friends who go there regularly to ask. When people were saying how awesome Pattaya was because you could get a new hot 20 year old GF every night, all night, for $40, it certainly generated some hype and got people packing their bags. If that is true, I don't see why the inverse wouldn't be true (people avoiding coming when they see reports about the prices being much higher and girls being older).

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2035778]If that is true, I don't see why the inverse wouldn't be true (people avoiding coming when they see reports about the prices being much higher and girls being older).[/QUOTE]This would only be true if there's a better alternative. When you add hotel prices and how far your hobby dollar goes, I am guessing the following:

Too expensive:

Japan.
Singapore.
South Korea.
Hong Kong.

Comparable but is it worth the difference in baht saved:

Malaysia*.
Indonesia*.
Vietnam*.
Philippines*.

A cheaper possible alternative:

Cambodia (Phnom Penh).

*I haven't been to Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, or Philippines yet and don't follow their prices closely.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2035860]This would only be true if there's a better alternative. When you add hotel prices and how far your hobby dollar goes, I am guessing the following:

Too expensive:

Japan.
Singapore.
South Korea.
Hong Kong.

Comparable but is it worth the difference in baht saved:

Malaysia*.
Indonesia*.
Vietnam*.
Philippines*.

A cheaper possible alternative:

Cambodia (Phnom Penh).

*I haven't been to Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, or Philippines yet and don't follow their prices closely.[/QUOTE]The Philippines outclasses Cambodia easily. Cambodia is a major drop off compared to Thailand. You see more fatties / chubbier in Thailand than PP. A lot of the diehards will tell you differently but The Phils is more dangerous. If you care about safety Patts beats the P. I. The Phils is better for men over 50 years old. If you're on sub $50 a day budget the Phils and Colombia are hard to beat. PP FL were the worst looking I seen in Asia.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2035860]This would only be true if there's a better alternative. [/QUOTE]There are many alternatives such as staying home or visiting local p4 p places in your home country. I mean, we're all fairly active at this hobby. But I imagine the majority of sex tourists actually only allocate an optional portion of their time to this hobby and are OK with not even getting on the plane at all. The thought of not going to Pattaya at all and just visiting the asian massage parlors crossed my mind many times when I lived in America. As the girls there are Korean / Chinese and are much better looking than average so they're pretty hot (but I digress, that's really getting off topic). Considering the airfare and hassle of traveling, I wouldn't really be that keen on going back to Pattaya if I already lived in America, unless the price in America also went up a lot too.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2035294]Perhaps you have not noticed what they charge you for a pint of beer at some discos. If I am right a beer at Lucifer costs 150 baht? Ever see what the same pint costs at a 7/11 or even an open beer bar?
[/QUOTE]Maybe if you drop your stinginess glasses you will see that there is a slight difference between killing time in front of 7-Eleven, or inside Lucifer, or Insomnia, LOL.

I really pity these old scrappy buggers in shorts and Chang beer a-shirt, sipping already at 11 am in open bars.

Dup, sorry

[QUOTE=Cool;2035888] The Phils is better for men over 50 years old. [/QUOTE]Why is that? Asking because I am younger.

I'd like to go to Angeles City since their Walking Street looks like fun imo. However, heard too many stories there and that you should not be out after 9 pm in certain areas. I'm a night person! Will visit Ho Chi Minh, Kuala Lumpur and, of course, Phnom Penh, on my Visa runs in 2017. I enjoy Singapore but the hotels are very expensive near Orchard Towers.

[QUOTE=Cool;2035888]PP FL were the worst looking I seen in Asia.[/QUOTE]

We have different tastes then. Girls at Darling Darling in NagaWorld casino look ok to me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2035956]Why is that? Asking because I am younger.

I'd like to go to Angeles City since their Walking Street looks like fun imo. However, heard too many stories there and that you should not be out after 9 pm in certain areas. I'm a night person! Will visit Ho Chi Minh, Kuala Lumpur and, of course, Phnom Penh, on my Visa runs in 2017. I enjoy Singapore but the hotels are very expensive near Orchard Towers.[/QUOTE]It's mandatory to stay in the Marina Bay Sands Hotel in Singapore LOL. Well not quite. You can always dine on the top instead or go to the cigar bar. My girl wanted to smoke a big fat cigar.

I won't visit Singapore too often since is fucking expensive as you say, and the local girl talent wasn't that special at Orchard Towers. I enjoyed Geylang more many years ago. My Thai girl creamed all the other girls in the Orchard Tower bar at pool. They were astonished how hard she could smash balls into the pockets. That was a highlight. I had no clue she was that good at something other than sex.

I once had a Philippina GF, and my impression is that their bodies are slightly more hairy than Thai girls. Someone can correct me if that is wrong. I know some Thai girls have evident black body hairs too. My GF has very little indeed including the pubes. She certainly doesn't need to shave her legs or lower pussy areas. Naturally smooth.

For me, Indonesia would be a higher priority than the Philippines but of course we have different taste. I actually found it very hard to guess sometimes if girls were Philippine or Indonesian when they worked in Japanese restaurants. Hearing the accent sometimes helped. I just have a feeling that Indonesian girls maybe be overall better looking and more sexually rampant. Guys with the experience of both could comment.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2035956]1. I'd like to go to Angeles City since their Walking Street looks like fun imo. However, heard too many stories there and that you should not be out after 9 pm in certain areas.

2. I enjoy Singapore but the hotels are very expensive near Orchard Towers.

3. Girls at Darling Darling in NagaWorld casino look ok to me.[/QUOTE]
1. Fields Ave aka Walking Street, AC is totally safe at all hours. What people are talking about is walking quiet lonely stretches of Perimeter Road late at night. Don't do it! That said, I prefer Manila over AC. On your first foray to the PI, I suggest a week in MNL (stay in Makati and hit Burgos St. and the EDSA Entertainment Complex. You will have a great time. Lots of very, very nice Filipinas! Then spend 4 nights in AC (stay at ABC or Fields Plaza Suites, the Lewis Grand, or Central Park). I prefer MNL because I like the city girls better. Both destinations are totally safe if you pay attention to your surroundings and use common sense.

2. In Singapore I usually stay for free at the Orchard Center Holiday Inn thanks to my Intercontinental (IHG) Chase card with points accrued and free voucher nights. It is not the greatest hotel in Singapore by a long shot, but its one of the best Holiday Inn's that I have ever stayed at. Walking distance to the Hyatt and Brix Bar where the finest talent in Singapore is on display nightly. I also have a Hyatt Chase card, but I prefer to use my Hyatt points and free voucher nights at the Jakarta Hyatt. I also like the Geylang Chinese houses and the food in Singapore.

3. Phnom Penh: the Girls at Darling Darling in NagaWorld Casino look good to me too, but they can't compete with the knockouts at Brix or the amazing selection and volume of talent at CJ's in the Mulia Hotel, Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2035961]For me, Indonesia would be a higher priority than the Philippines but of course we have different taste. I actually found it very hard to guess sometimes if girls were Philippine or Indonesian when they worked in Japanese restaurants. Hearing the accent sometimes helped. I just have a feeling that Indonesian girls maybe be overall better looking and more sexually rampant. Guys with the experience of both could comment.[/QUOTE]You won't go wrong checking out Jakarta first. IMHO Jakarta girls are outstanding. Physically they are exotic looking and come more naturally endowed, breast wise, than their Thai sisters. I saw hardly any silly cones or nose jobs there. They are great kissers and overall damn sensual and passionate in bed. I think you will like them, but prices vary all over the place. Overall I think it is true that in Jakarta you get what you pay for.

On the other hand, I do love Pinays, especially the ones I meet in Makati. There is nothing exotic about them to me. They speak English and look like Latin Asians. One has to search a little harder to find the real pretty ones, although not too much harder. 555 and I never have a problem finding very pretty little spinners in MNL. But what I like about them most is how much they like to please and play the girlfriend. All you have to do is barfine them one time and treat them nice and they will follow you to the ends of the world and do just about anything you want to make you happy and want to repeat with them. Pinays like to party too. For example, my 2 favorites Makati girls and I have had the wildest Tequila parties imaginable 2.5 years runnning. Every night with those two is a party.

In general I tend to think of Thai girls as cats (independent but loving when they want to be) and Pinays as dogs (your best friend for life if you feed them and give them a place to sleep) ha ha, and Jakarta girls somewhere in between being much less spoiled than Thai girls and far more exotic than Pinays.

Nice comparison between girls from Thailand and other countries in the region.

What about girls from different Thai regions? I have had two "girl friends" from Sisaket now and have found them to be more mellow, reliable and down to earth than other girls from Issan. And great lovers too, They also seem to have a strong affiliation to the province and say they are form Sisaket rather than Issan.

Not a representative sample, for sure. But maybe Szygies or some of you other guys with more in country experience can weight in?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2036113]Nice comparison between girls from Thailand and other countries in the region.

What about girls from different Thai regions? I have had two "girl friends" from Sisaket now and have found them to be more mellow, reliable and down to earth than other girls from Issan. And great lovers too, They also seem to have a strong affiliation to the province and say they are form Sisaket rather than Issan.

Not a representative sample, for sure. But maybe Szygies or some of you other guys with more in country experience can weight in?[/QUOTE]Singapore very expensive for girls, hotels, drinks. Quality at high end places like Brix is great but way over the top in cost. OT over run by hard viets.

Jakarta is hard to get around with traffic. CJ's compares to Brix but quality varies a lot. Cost is not as high as Brix but still expensive. Indos are fab though. Top gun is fun but tricky also due to location.

Manilla is manic for traffic. Cost about the same as Jakarta for girls. Quality the same but Phillies are sweet.

AC does not compare to Pattaya IMHO. Much smaller and options not as good. More daytime options in Pattaya. Girls in AC have eyes for Koreans these days so not that keen for others.

Malaysia KL is not a patch in what it was. Beach Club over run by older harder Viets. Not worth the money.

PP is ok because cheap. Quality of girls varies a lot. Gems are there but you need to look hard. Cambos can be fun though.

Yangon was a pleasant surprise. Quality great but options are limited.

Japan expensive and girls hard.

Korea expensive like Japan.

China dead these days but expensive anyway.

Saigon hard to find cheapet options and also take girls back to hotels.

All said above, everyone playing the world game likes to play different teams on different surfaces. The asian scene is becoming harder to find new areas but there are still goid options to suit all tastes and budgets.

The hunt makes it fun!

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2035956]Why is that? Asking because I am younger.

I'd like to go to Angeles City since their Walking Street looks like fun imo. However, heard too many stories there and that you should not be out after 9 pm in certain areas. I'm a night person! Will visit Ho Chi Minh, Kuala Lumpur and, of course, Phnom Penh, on my Visa runs in 2017. I enjoy Singapore but the hotels are very expensive near Orchard Towers.



We have different tastes then. Girls at Darling Darling in NagaWorld casino look ok to me.[/QUOTE]In the Phils girls equate age with a fatter wallet. They see older gents as more mature, generous, and less likely to butterfly. Of course that isn't true but a lot of ladies believe that. Most girls around 30 is looking for a provider and safety net especially if they have babies. Older gents also have more time because they are retired. An older gent in town on a retirement visa is more appealing than a 25 year old in town for 2 weeks.

Any time I have mentioned anything other than reports about Pattaya even if only hotels in Pattaya on this forum I have very quickly been admonished and told to go to relevant other sites. In other words I have been told stick to Pattaya do why all these reports about Singapore Phills and all the other places??

[QUOTE=Broxy;2036216]Any time I have mentioned anything other than reports about Pattaya even if only hotels in Pattaya on this forum I have very quickly been admonished and told to go to relevant other sites. In other words I have been told stick to Pattaya do why all these reports about Singapore Phills and all the other places??[/QUOTE]Maybe because the comparing postings have sex related content unlike your whining above.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2036113]
What about girls from different Thai regions? I have had two "girl friends" from Sisaket now and have found them to be more mellow, reliable and down to earth than other girls from Issan. And great lovers too, They also seem to have a strong affiliation to the province and say they are form Sisaket rather than Issan.

Not a representative sample, for sure. But maybe Szygies or some of you other guys with more in country experience can weight in?[/QUOTE]Yes, I don't think one can represent a region based on few shags. The Sisaket girl I've been with last week with was intelligent, easy going and very practical, but certainly not mellow. On the other hand, the Laos girl has represented well, to my limited experience, the culture and attitudes of her country, very relaxed to say it in one word. One lives to be disproved, that's the beauty of learning.

[QUOTE=Broxy;2036216]Any time I have mentioned anything other than reports about Pattaya even if only hotels in Pattaya on this forum I have very quickly been admonished and told to go to relevant other sites. In other words I have been told stick to Pattaya do why all these reports about Singapore Phills and all the other places??[/QUOTE]Broxy, there are about five guys who get to do anything they want in this forum. The rest of us just have to deal with it.

In January, I posted 6 reports and they all got ignored. A few days ago, I asked a completely relevant question which was ignored as well, so they could talk about other cities.

That's just the nature of this forum. My advice is to skip all the small talk you see and find the actual reports. They are the only thing worth reading here.

I'm used to going to high-end full-service oily massage shops in Bangkok like Addict and Club 102. By high-end I mean that the rooms are actually very nice, and they have a large selection of young hotties from noon onwards. I have written many reports on these two shops. Is there anything comparable to them in Pattaya? I think not, but it never hurts to double-check with better-informed people.

Thank you for your comment it means a lot guess good these guys have total free run I will just keep quit in future and just look for the nuggets of information that can help in future visits to Pattaya thanks again Adrena.

Thought I would try my luck at midday today (maybe around 2 pm) with a jaunt up to soi 6. Due to it pissing down with rain, there wasnt much on offer.

Saw a good looking one near the end of the street (name of the place escapes me). Went inside and pointed upstairs. She looked at me with a puzzled expression. I said upstairs? The girl then looked at the mamasan behind the bar and she spoke some rapid Thai before the girl said no. I shrugged and left.

I heard a rumour that you can't go upstairs at Soi 6 due to some crackdown. Anyone know anything more about this?

So thought I would try out Kittens bar down on 13/2. There were four girls out front and I took a young and thin one. Cost was 850 baht for a BJ but they offer sex as well but I wasnt in the mood.

Girl gave a very decent BJ and I didn't feel rushed. Tried to ask if she did rimjobs as well and showed a picture and she said no. Came in her mouth not long after and then headed off to Central for some food.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2036514]I'm used to going to high-end full-service oily massage shops in Bangkok like Addict and Club 102. By high-end I mean that the rooms are actually very nice, and they have a large selection of young hotties from noon onwards. I have written many reports on these two shops. Is there anything comparable to them in Pattaya? I think not, but it never hurts to double-check with better-informed people.[/QUOTE]Maybe you could try Dream Teen Massage [URL]http://dream-teen-pattaya.com/[/URL] they have jacuzzi room. Sure isn't High End place and I don't know about their line up, but at least isn't a cheap place with mattress on the floor behind the curtains like many others shops in soi Honey or soi Chaiyapoon.

[QUOTE=Hades;2036622]

I heard a rumour that you can't go upstairs at Soi 6 due to some crackdown. Anyone know anything more about this?

[/QUOTE]It depends on the bar. I did two STs at Red Point. But I know you can't use the upstairs at Night-Wish. They use an ST hotel nearby.

Not sure about the other bars as I did not see anyone anywhere else that I really wanted to take upstairs last trip.

A couple of lookers at Red Point this trip. Me and Illusionheart definitely indulged.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2036514]I'm used to going to high-end full-service oily massage shops in Bangkok like Addict and Club 102. By high-end I mean that the rooms are actually very nice, and they have a large selection of young hotties from noon onwards. I have written many reports on these two shops. Is there anything comparable to them in Pattaya? I think not, but it never hurts to double-check with better-informed people.[/QUOTE]It's hard for me to understand guys who focus so much on the building and the room, rather than on the lady. For me, the lady is far more important, than the place she is at. Because I'm there for her and not for the place.

If the lady is really hot, then I wouldn't even mind sneaking off with her into the bathroom for some acrobatic standing hanky-panky. It's not just about the comfort. There is something to be said for the hot lady and you working together like a team to achieve hot penetrations in unusual and difficult situations.

But if the lady is not hot, then even the best room in the world wouldn't turn me on for her.

I'd say that Darling Massage has good rooms and some attractive ladies too.

[URL]http://www.darlingpattaya.com/Our-staff/7131[/URL]

Sabai Room, Sabai Dee, and PP Body Massage are also the kind of places you might want to check out.

I think the ladies in Pattaya come from a different part of Thailand than the ladies in Bangkok. Pattaya ladies are mostly from Isaan. They have a different complexion and different look. I like their looks and their natural boobs. They are less likely to have boob-jobs done. Which I like. I'd rather have small natural boobs, than big silicone boobs.

The only way to know whether you will like the ladies and the places there is to go there and check them out for yourself.

The only thing I don't like about Pattaya is that their business is less transparent. You don't really know what the ladies are offering, unless you ask. And some of their bigger places, such as Sabai Room and Sabai Dee, don't even have websites where you can check out the ladies.

When I find a hot chick, and I'm with her for the first time, then I need two shots with her. One time is not enough. And my impression is that ladies in Pattaya offer this kind of thing less than in Bangkok. I can't say this for sure. But I haven't had Pattaya ladies offer me to have a second go with them. It's something you need to ask the lady for, and her answer is never sure. Lack of transparency means that there is less competition. Ladies often don't know what other ladies are doing with their guys. Which means that your experience can vary a lot from one lady to another.