Nairobi

[QUOTE=Jerulez]Yeah. CBD is central business district. Most hotels in the CBD are quite expensive and the cheap ones are horrible. Those with swimming pools are quite pricey. I'd advice you to book a cheap hotel and then go to a hotel with a swimming pool in the afternoon where you can also eat your lunch.

Ngara is like nairobi's red light district. So no-one will really bother who you bring to your room - infact they'd be quite surprised if you sleep by yourself. My pick would be seldom hotel on muranga road in ngara. Its cheap (£35 per night, double bed), hot electric showers, clean, restaurant and its a 10 minute drive from the city. A cabbie should charge you about 300-500ksh to get there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip! You stated previously that you knew of a good place. Mind sharing the name of the hotel?

Still interested in trying out an apartment, so if anyone have any opinions about this it would be much appreciated :)

Thanks for that. I guess my only other option is to see if a hotel like Terminal is willing to give me a discount if I pay a month upfront and they know that some rooms may be vacant. If they are at 100% capacity everyday then I'm 'toast'. Let me know if you know of any hotels that are willing to give a discount if you pay a month upfront or, even better, pay just a week at a time upfront.

[QUOTE=Willyboy]After 19 visits in Kenya in last 3 jaers. I laern mutch

If I am in Kenya. Than I will pay Kenya prices. Evry price wath mzungu ask in Kenya is minumum 66 procent overpriced. National sport from Kenya persons to mzungus. Only in nakumatt supermarkt. Al is ok. Not possibel to buy newspaper for the kenya prices. Not one waiter give you money back after paying the bill. About taxi. Ok 1500kes from airport. It will by 1200kes. But about salery 3 to 5 dollar for persons without diplome About 10.000kes/month

I will not sitting 8h in aircraft end pay lot of money for my tiket end hotel end than prices like in EU. This type of discussion coming very often end never have good end. I will give 10 procent tipmoney for all my bills. But this is the limit for my.[/QUOTE]You stated that 90% of kenyan people earn 10,000 Kshs. That sir, is a lie. In Jay-Z's words 'We don't believe you, you need more people'

Secondly, you base your experience on 19 visits in 3 years. I base my experience on 18 years of living in kenya. Everyone irrespective of their race will receive an inflated price. They call it 'bei ya kuongea' which is 'price that is to be negotiated'. Undercutting a seller and forcing him to receive less than 60% of what he asks for is nothing short of evil. Normal custom is to ask for a 20-30% price cut.

Jamjam,

The hotel is called seldom hotel and its on muranga road. There are also a couple of decent hotels on muranga road. Other hotels below:


Impala hotel
[url]http://www.travellerspoint.com/accommodation/9896-Impala-Hotel/[/url]

Mooreland hotel (in ngara)
[url]http://www.travellerspoint.com/accommodation/9902-Mooreland-Hotel/[/url]

[QUOTE=Jerulez]You stated that 90% of kenyan people earn 10,000 Kshs. That sir, is a lie. In Jay-Z's words 'We don't believe you, you need more people'

Secondly, you base your experience on 19 visits in 3 years. I base my experience on 18 years of living in kenya. Everyone irrespective of their race will receive an inflated price. They call it 'bei ya kuongea' which is 'price that is to be negotiated'. Undercutting a seller and forcing him to receive less than 60% of what he asks for is nothing short of evil. Normal custom is to ask for a 20-30% price cut.

Jamjam,

The hotel is called seldom hotel and its on muranga road. There are also a couple of decent hotels on muranga road. Other hotels below:

Impala hotel
[url]http://www.travellerspoint.com/accommodation/9896-Impala-Hotel/[/url]

Mooreland hotel (in ngara)
[url]http://www.travellerspoint.com/accommodation/9902-Mooreland-Hotel/[/url][/QUOTE]I am not surpriced that you write if person 18 jaers living in kenya ...you becaim same blod

Would it be correct to say that both of you have valid points? That is, a tourist that is not familiar with the local prices will negotiate and agree to a price much higher that what a local may pay. It is only good business for the seller to get the highest price they can get. But if this tourist knows what the local price is (e.g. apartments in Nairobi DO rent for 300 to 400 u.s. per month) then a landlord who tries to get a rent over 400 u.s. is over-charging, whether that person is a local or tourist, not so?

In Ghana if I didn't have a local negotiating in my absence I always was overcharged but, in the end, once I knew the local price I would just give it to him without any questions. Not sure how safe that is in Nairobi but in Accra I never had any violent reactions, only verbal complaining in front of my Ghanaian wife.

[QUOTE=Interracial]Would it be correct to say that both of you have valid points? That is, a tourist that is not familiar with the local prices will negotiate and agree to a price much higher that what a local may pay. It is only good business for the seller to get the highest price they can get. But if this tourist knows what the local price is (e.g. apartments in Nairobi DO rent for 300 to 400 u.s. per month) then a landlord who tries to get a rent over 400 u.s. is over-charging, whether that person is a local or tourist, not so?

In Ghana if I didn't have a local negotiating in my absence I always was overcharged but, in the end, once I knew the local price I would just give it to him without any questions. Not sure how safe that is in Nairobi but in Accra I never had any violent reactions, only verbal complaining in front of my Ghanaian wife.[/QUOTE]Kibaki end riali. Salery. More than 20.000 EURO/month. But look KIBERA SLUMS. Many persons can not pay 10 euro for smal roof.

I discovered this beautiful web application. It's a map of Nairobi (or anyone else you type) and show the exact location of everything of interest in Nairobi.

Including.

Wait for it.

A little longer.

Brothels! Unbelievable! Really helpful and not only for mongering purposes.

Question: If I stay at a hotel without pool, will I be able to use pool at other hotels?

[QUOTE=Interracial]Would it be correct to say that both of you have valid points? That is, a tourist that is not familiar with the local prices will negotiate and agree to a price much higher that what a local may pay. It is only good business for the seller to get the highest price they can get. But if this tourist knows what the local price is (e.g. apartments in Nairobi DO rent for 300 to 400 u.s. per month) then a landlord who tries to get a rent over 400 u.s. is over-charging, whether that person is a local or tourist, not so?

In Ghana if I didn't have a local negotiating in my absence I always was overcharged but, in the end, once I knew the local price I would just give it to him without any questions. Not sure how safe that is in Nairobi but in Accra I never had any violent reactions, only verbal complaining in front of my Ghanaian wife.[/QUOTE]I've seen some of the prices that willyboy is talking about and quite frankly, they're about the same prices i know locals receive. For instance, a nairobi local can get charged up to 2000kshs for a ST by a pro in simmers/madhouse/florida. If you're a regular, you might get 1000kshs. In the outskirts of the city, you'll get ST for 300-500kshs but the girls aren't skilled, are older, are from the countryside and are sorely lacking in the looks department - so its your choice.

Willyboy argues that since the effective minimum wage is $5 per day (since he works in Kenya statistics board) then the kenyan pros should ideally receive $5 - $10. Thats like me going to see a pro here in the UK who usually charge £70 for a 30 min session and demanding that she lower her price to £10 because the national minimum wage is £5.80.

Im all for bargaining. But Im also human. So I wouldn't want to sqeeze a poor person to the point that it becomes futile for them to operate. These pros aren't trying to buy gucci shoes or crack like the european ones.They're simply trying to eat and pay rent.

Willyboy on the other hand seems intent to be the german darth vader

[QUOTE=Jerulez]I've seen some of the prices that willyboy is talking about and quite frankly, they're about the same prices i know locals receive. For instance, a nairobi local can get charged up to 2000kshs for a ST by a pro in simmers / madhouse/florida. If you're a regular, you might get 1000kshs. In the outskirts of the city, you'll get ST for 300-500kshs but the girls aren't skilled, are older, are from the countryside and are sorely lacking in the looks department - so its your choice.

Willyboy argues that since the effective minimum wage is $5 per day (since he works in Kenya statistics board) then the kenyan pros should ideally receive $5 - $10. Thats like me going to see a pro here in the UK who usually charge £70 for a 30 min session and demanding that she lower her price to £10 because the national minimum wage is £5.80.

Im all for bargaining. But Im also human. So I wouldn't want to sqeeze a poor person to the point that it becomes futile for them to operate. These pros aren't trying to buy gucci shoes or crack like the european ones.They're simply trying to eat and pay rent.

Willyboy on the other hand seems intent to be the german darth vader[/QUOTE]My friend. I am not from Germany.

You can not compare EU prices end services in EU end Kenya. Big misthake. To start explain this for you. I will not invest my thime end you will never andestand.

[QUOTE=Willyboy]After 19 visits in Kenya in last 3 jaers. I laern mutch

If I am in Kenya. Than I will pay Kenya prices. Evry price wath mzungu ask in Kenya is minumum 66 procent overpriced. National sport from Kenya persons to mzungus. Only in nakumatt supermarkt. Al is ok. Not possibel to buy newspaper for the kenya prices. Not one waiter give you money back after paying the bill. About taxi. Ok 1500kes from airport. It will by 1200kes. But about salery 3 to 5 dollar for persons without diplome About 10.000kes/month

I will not sitting 8h in aircraft end pay lot of money for my tiket end hotel end than prices like in EU. This type of discussion coming very often end never have good end. I will give 10 procent tipmoney for all my bills. But this is the limit for my.[/QUOTE]Not just Mzungus Willy boy, anybody who is percieved to be well off financially is 'national sport'. So you can include the Asians, Africans and Arabs who are not as street wise as you are. The most expensive women however are the wives. In some countries she can legally take off with half your property while you watch. I dont think Kenyan women in general have reached there yet.

[QUOTE=Enzo 2009]Not just Mzungus Willy boy, anybody who is percieved to be well off financially is 'national sport'. So you can include the Asians, Africans and Arabs who are not as street wise as you are. The most expensive women however are the wives. In some countries she can legally take off with half your property while you watch. I dont think Kenyan women in general have reached there yet.[/QUOTE]I must say. Agry

In 1995 my ex wife was not thaking half. But all. Only my underwaer not. Maby I was playing tomutch

[QUOTE=Jamjam222]I discovered this beautiful web application. It's a map of Nairobi (or anyone else you type) and show the exact location of everything of interest in Nairobi.

Including.

Wait for it.

A little longer.

Brothels! Unbelievable! Really helpful and not only for mongering purposes.

Question: If I stay at a hotel without pool, will I be able to use pool at other hotels?[/QUOTE]I posted a link with this post I think. Will try again.

[url]http://wikimapia.org/#lat=-1.2821176&lon=36.8233716&z=17&l=0&m=a&v=2&search=nairobi%20clubs[/url]

Ok, to turn away from a pissing match about economics and to return the thread to what we can all agree on. Monger-hunting!

I live in Nairobi NOW, have been here for 3 months, and will be here for at least one year. I work right smack in centre of town. In the area just east of Moi Ave, behind the National Archives building.

I am offering to the ISG/another forum communities my on-the-ground, eyewitness accounts of life and especially mongering in NBO. Post your questions/comments and I'll try to follow 'them up. I can't promise the quickest response, as I actually have a daily job and Internet access can be tricky here, but I'll do my best.

I do not live the true expat lifestyle (we could discuss what this means in a separate thread), as I commute to work/home via matatus, I work ONLY with the average jane/joe Kenyans, I eat, sleep and party with mostly Kenyans, and I live in area (near Kangemi) with 99.9% Kenyans. I have lived & worked in Kenya before--again at the grassroots level--so there's (few things) nothing you can tell me that I haven't personally experienced, seen or heard about life in Kenya at all stratas of economic or social.

Back to the fun. I see lovely ladies every single day especially around my work neighborhood, and in 3 months have had more p*ssy than in 3 years in NYC, in 2 cases for "free" (better to say, "for services 'in-kind').-plus I have a regular girlfriend! Yes, non-pro's ARE "easy" to get here if you're a foreigner.- and w/o having to 'compensate' at wazungu rates-- but there are a few approaches to use to keep yourself safe, and to reduce/prevent situations where the lady either is growing annoying, or falls "in love" (I. E. Wants you to take her to the West). My hope is that we'll all discuss workable methods as this thread grows.

I'll start, in a separate post.

I was thinking about how the tourist-mongerer, with only limited time, could actually hook up with a Kenyan lady who [i]: gasp: [/i] actually has to work everyday. As a working-stiff myself, I follow this approach and it has been working for me:

- Let's shape the scenario that you're in Nairobi (but all advice applies in towns and cities in Kenya), strolling around, on the monger-hunt. You see a lady you're interested in and you want to start the chase.

- First advice, the Golden Rule, at least in Kenya, it's been written many times before: you have to treat the average Kenyan lady as if she is or will be your girlfriend.

You just wanna fuck? Go to F2 or even Simmers. Otherwise, keep the philosophy GFE = Girl-friendly Experience. Even walaya are 'saved' on Sundays!

This applies to the ladies who work in offices, to the college students, to that (probable high-school drop-out) sweety who works in a little shop. Even simple shop girls are either educated or worldly enough to know about how Sex 'in' The City works, and even if they don't have a lot of personal experience in that area (and you will find many that are not, no matter how sexy they look), they are curious and often eager to experiment. So this means you have to be nice, flirt, tell her jokes get her to laugh. Show her your interest, and she will notice quickly.

- In general.

Ensure the lady is alone. You don't wanna have to subsidies her and her friends. Remember, you're a hunter, separate your prey from the pack!

It's easiest to meet a lady in the shop/office/etc than on the street, as this assures you that she's actually employeed and (hopefully) a non-pro. Plus, it gives her a comfort zone in which to talk with you.

Remember that she's actually working, so make your moves quickly and politely. Don't ask her for a date right there, especially if co-workers or boss is around. Don't co-opt her time from other customers, just wait to the side patiently, let her finish her work, then keep flirting. Your hanging round assures her that you are interested. If it is obvious she's not interested, just move on. I once had a girl start spouting religious nonsense, I quickly got outta there. As a hunter, you can't wait time!

- Next step, make up some excuse to get her mobile number--as quickly as possible. This way, you can start 'chatting her up' and hopefully soon making rendezvous. Two techniques I've used.

-- I was flirting with a worker in a restaurant, and she was definitely responding. I happen to notice they had those useless customer response surveys. I filled it out--with my mobile number!. And gave it directly to the lady, and told her to call me so I could discuss "other comments" I had about my dining experience. Now she didn't call me {more about that in the next item}, so next day I went to the restaurant, found her, told her that because she didn't call me, she had to give me her number so that I could call her. She did not hestitate in giving me her number, and a hook-up was completed in just a few days.

-- I was in a cybercafe and saw a real stunner. She wasn't working there but she was alone. I waited a bit then switched my station to sit next to her. After a minute, I said Hello, to her, and asked her if she could give me advice about pictures I had on Flickr of my home back in NYC. To a Kenyan: (Foreigner + Western home)=Jackpot. To us monger-hunters: (Stunner + pictures of home in the West)=Trap-Set-Captured. This meeting lead to a soda and some small talk, her number, and that Friday a nice at-home hook-up.

- Something important to remember about phone calls, be prepared to do most of the calling and texting. Kenyans/Africans are always trying to save money, so as the mzungu you have to initiate & make most calls. And get someone to explain to you what "flashing" means!

- Don't let the girl play games with you: If you call/SMS her and she doesn't pick up after 2 separate calls/texts, then dump her and move on to another lady. A girl not taking your call means she's shy, actually not interested, or she may be more of a pro than you expected. You don't have time for shyness or game-playing, so move on.

- Once you do reach her, plan a PUBLIC place rendezvous. This will allow both you and her to feel a bit safe, and to get to know each other a bit better.

Be prepared for her to be late--hey, this is Africa.

If she doesn't show up at all, say give her an hour, she is dumped.

- If she arrives with a friend or two or more, [u]dump her[/u]: this is game-playing, or shyness, and we don't have time for this.

When you see her and her posse coming closer, jump up, greet her, and give this excuse: "Hi! Ohh, I'm so sorry I just got this call and am needed right away elsewhere. Can I call you to arrange another date? " If she asks for money anyway (and this will happen), refuse by giving some excuse, then leave.

Now you have a choice: call her later and arrange another meeting, but tell her to come alone; or don't call her at all, just proceed to the next monger-prey. Believe me brothers, there is more booty to be had elsewhere!

If she wants to go with you--meaning she doesn't want to lose a good thing!. Tell her you only have room for her! Then take her to your place, and make your moves.-game-playing works both ways, you know!

- [b]DO NOT[/b] spend money like a Westerner on [u]ANY[/u] Kenyan lady. I don't care if she's lived in the West before, has a PhD, has a Chicago accent, and dresses and acts like a Westerner. You have been warned about this many times on these forums, so I'm also repeating this. No steak dinners, no wine bars, definitely NOT Carnivore, on the first date!

Kenyan ladies, in general, do not appreciate the wine-&-dine approach to romance as we know it in the West, and if you meet one that expects that, run away. Fast.

Instead, meet in "simple" places for meals, coffee or drinks, or better let her pick a place but stress that you want to go where "normal" or "average" Kenyans go. There are plenty of great and fun places where the prices are just right, and you'll learn about new places in Nairobi/Kenya that you can then brag about later as getting the true Kenya non-tourist experience.

Side-note: stay aware and stay safe about your surroundings. Wherever you go, watch your belongings, put your wallet in your front pocket, don't flash your cash, don't take your eye off your drink or glass no matter how comfy you feel, don't go to an area where you have concern for safety. If you're worried, just ask her to choose another place. She'll be happy to, as she's probably not sure what kind of local places wazungu would like.

Remember, the ladies we're talking about here are your average-janes, non-pros, so you won't have to worry too much about a con or scam, but still you might draw a short straw so watch out.

- Finally, this first rendezvous, she [u]must[/u] agree to meet you either at your place, or hers, for the next rendezvous--or she gets dumped.

This is another reason why you shouldn't spend a lot of money: you don't want to waste your time or money with a game-player.

At some stage in your conversations, suggest that she comes to your place. To see your pictures of home, or to watch an interesting movie, or to cook sphagetti for her. Or. To see her home, or to watch a movie at her place, or to teach her and her {insert relatives/friends/etc} how to play cards. Or whatever. Whatever the reason, that next meeting is going get her into bed--and she knows it!

If she agrees, you're in.-literally.

If she rejects, move on.

If she hesitates, push a little more but be prepared to move on.

There we are boys, Life of a Monger-Hunter. Discuss amongst ourselves.

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I was wondering where Ngara is in relation to the CBD?

TIA