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[QUOTE=EastGoing;1452949]As to effects on clubs' businesses, I think it's more about the worry that they might close, which is something you don't want to happen if you like going there, than a concern about their own earnings.[/QUOTE]I highly doubt any posts in this forum would bring about the closing of even the smallest club in Germany.
I don't know why they call themselves club. Apart the small sauna by the lockers, which may "damage" some of your belongings because of the heat, there is a very small lounge with a corner bar and a small smokers area. When you climb there, the bartender asks you what you'd like to drink, collects the entrance fee, informs you about prices and policies, which can be found on their website, and tells you that AO costs 30 euros more, which is not on their website. She calls and recalls all the girls available from their reserved place to line up on the chairs as soon as possible, like it happens in normal flats. They all stay staring at you with a smile and will keep on doing it "everywhere" you go. I didn't like that, because it made me feel forced to choose at once, the smiles seemed forced and somehow begging for you to choose them. Both when entering or finishing the first session, I tried to seek refuge in the smoking area, separated by a glass and with some curtains which I pulled a little to shelter myself, but still mostly I stayed watching the roof or the floor, since they don't follow you physically, but keep on following each and any of your movements with those undesiderable (to me) smiles and glances. Honestly, I say this to give you a clue and not to offend them, they looked like a dog waiting (begging) for you to give him the chocolate. Conversations must be very quick, if an agreement is not reached, then you must split. Even if you are the only man in the "club", conversation is not a pastime, even girls seem not to talk among them if a customer is around. Everything seems to be constantly monitored, the "candidate" will leave you quickly or make you understand the conversation is over, I was even "warned" by a girl that I could be asked why I spoke to her but didn't interact. If you add to this the fact that TVs are off, there is no wi-fi and you probably are not going to talk to a man, if there is any, then you understand the atmosphere: you are locked in there, can't watch out of the window nor take a walk in a garden. Pratically, but maybe that's what they want, since anyway there is not room enough to host the 7-8 girls I found plus other 7 individuals, you can't do anything else but interacting and leave. The pics are real, but they are taken with a good dose of make up and in good positions that highlight the good and hide the bad of the girls. For the record, I sessioned both times with 2 girls in a short while and left, nothing worth being reported from the battling field, they were young and not experienced, but had good will to please me (how they could) on my first visit, on the second trip one of them did hardly the minimum necessary, a (great, she was perfectly mastering it, she just was lazy and /or didn't like me) BBBJ refusing CIM, and the other one again "what she could how she could".
VV is another planet, Arabella another universe.
More to come.
P. S. Breadman, obviously posts here don't have that much power, but many people read and then can talk to other people and spread rumours. I wouldn't know about these clubs without this forum, a friend of mine has already asked for holidays at work to go to NRW after listening to my stories, then he may talk to other guys who may talk to other ones, etc. Unfortunately I won't get commissions by Arabella, but if bad rumours somehow spread, of course there will be a damage, which may lead to some changes or problems for the "users"
[QUOTE=Breadman;1452968]I highly doubt any posts in this forum would bring about the closing of even the smallest club in Germany.[/QUOTE]Agreed. The percentage of foreigners to locals visiting these AO clubs I suspect is quite low. They survive based on local traffic. As such, the incidence of STDs transmission is also probably pretty low, otherwise, if every local that went there got infected, it would soon close for lack of customers or be shut down as a health hazard by the authorities.
Eastgoing,
Who were the girls you picked up at Club Angelique? I was there in April and had good meetings with Ruby, Vanessa and Kathie (who doesn't work in CA anymore sadly).
[QUOTE=EastGoing;1453127]I don't know why they call themselves club.[/QUOTE]There are other such hoorhouses, who also call themselves clubs without being an actual club. Club Heidi comes to mind, which Vito Corleone pointed out to me when I first started up my AO-map. That's a regular hoorhouse too, but without any flatrate events. That's why didn't put it on the map, and Angelique wouldn't be on there either if it wasn't for their (very) sporadic flatrate days every few months.
I also think that reports on Angelique are misplaced in this thread, since as you pointed out, it's no club. I'd say reports are better off in the Bareback AO thread, and if one did not do AO, then the Other Areas thread of the Germany forum would be the choice.
[QUOTE]but if bad rumours somehow spread, of course there will be a damage, which may lead to some changes or problems for the "users"[/QUOTE]THANK you! You seem to know how rumours can get spread. Although I generally agree with Breadman's assessment that no club will suffer much soley from what is written here about them, the problem is word of mouth, which works in either direction, good or bad. For example: Someone reads something here about an STD-rumour at a certain club, then tells a Dutchman about it, that one writes about it in a Dutch forum and the club starts to wonder why all of a sudden there are no Dutch and Flemish guys around anymore. Something like that had already happened, the damage was however limited because the majority of the custumers were Germans who don't read any Dutch. (And no, that was not at any of those clubs mentioned in this thread.)
[QUOTE=EastGoing;1453127]She calls and recalls all the girls available from their reserved place to line up on the chairs as soon as possible, like it happens in normal flats. They all stay staring at you with a smile and will keep on doing it "everywhere" you go. I didn't like that, because it made me feel forced to choose at once, the smiles seemed forced and somehow begging for you to choose them. Both when entering or finishing the first session, I tried to seek refuge in the smoking area, separated by a glass and with some curtains which I pulled a little to shelter myself, but still mostly I stayed watching the roof or the floor, since they don't follow you physically, but keep on following each and any of your movements with those undesiderable (to me) smiles and glances. Honestly, I say this to give you a clue and not to offend them, they looked like a dog waiting (begging) for you to give him the chocolate.[/QUOTE]Young, fairly attractive girls who all line up before you dutifully so that you can choose whichever one you want. Who are constantly smiling and staring at you with begging looks. With eyes that say that they are desperate for you to empty your sperm into their unprotected pussies.
It's a tough life!
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69; 1453335]A tEastgoing,
Who were the girls you picked up at Club Angelique? I was there in April and had good meetings with Ruby, Vanessa and Kathie (who doesn't work in CA anymore sadly).[/QUOTE]I went with a girl named Kathi in July. She may or may not be the same girl you went with.
[QUOTE=EastGoing;1453127]I don't know why they call themselves club. Apart the small sauna by the lockers, which may "damage" some of your belongings because of the heat, there is a very small lounge with a corner bar and a small smokers area. When you climb there, the bartender asks you what you'd like to drink, collects the entrance fee, informs you about prices and policies, which can be found on their website, and tells you that AO costs 30 euros more, which is not on their website. She calls and recalls all the girls available from their reserved place to line up on the chairs as soon as possible, like it happens in normal flats. They all stay staring at you with a smile and will keep on doing it "everywhere" you go. I didn't like that, because it made me feel forced to choose at once, the smiles seemed forced and somehow begging for you to choose them. Both when entering or finishing the first session, I tried to seek refuge in the smoking area, separated by a glass and with some curtains which I pulled a little to shelter myself, but still mostly I stayed watching the roof or the floor, since they don't follow you physically, but keep on following each and any of your movements with those undesiderable (to me) smiles and glances. Honestly, I say this to give you a clue and not to offend them, they looked like a dog waiting (begging) for you to give him the chocolate. Conversations must be very quick, if an agreement is not reached, then you must split. Even if you are the only man in the "club", conversation is not a pastime, even girls seem not to talk among them if a customer is around. Everything seems to be constantly monitored, the "candidate" will leave you quickly or make you understand the conversation is over, I was even "warned" by a girl that I could be asked why I spoke to her but didn't interact. If you add to this the fact that TVs are off, there is no wi-fi and you probably are not going to talk to a man, if there is any, then you understand the atmosphere: you are locked in there, can't watch out of the window nor take a walk in a garden. Pratically, but maybe that's what they want, since anyway there is not room enough to host the 7-8 girls I found plus other 7 individuals, you can't do anything else but interacting and leave. The pics are real, but they are taken with a good dose of make up and in good positions that highlight the good and hide the bad of the girls. For the record, I sessioned both times with 2 girls in a short while and left, nothing worth being reported from the battling field, they were young and not experienced, but had good will to please me (how they could) on my first visit, on the second trip one of them did hardly the minimum necessary, a (great, she was perfectly mastering it, she just was lazy and /or didn't like me) BBBJ refusing CIM, and the other one again "what she could how she could"."[/QUOTE]I went there twice at the end of June. The first time I was there I felt the same sense of awkwardness, with 6 girls sitting on their stools looking at me. I told them they didn't have to sit on their stools since I wasn't ready to chose, but they didn't move. I finally walked up to each of them and identified the ones I recognized from the website. I chose Lorena, a big-titted blonde. We had a great bareback hour session but she tried to cheat me out of 20 Euro (10 Euro Tuesday discount on session (didn't) and 10 Euro extra for bareback (did). She also told me CIM was 50 Euro and anal 100 Euro extra, which I declined, and don't know if they are accurate. As Eastgoing said, there is nothing to do there but I did have my cell phone and played some games on it to while the time away while I recovered for the next session, which was with Kathi, another great session (1/2 hour) , and lastly a good hour session with Alina (no longer there). The girls did move around and some danced when there was appropriate dance music, so it wasn't like it was a morgue.
The second visit I found that I had been missing out on substantial couch time when I observed the girls sitting and making out with customers. I availed myself of this pre-room fun with Vanessa and Kathi, before having two more great hour sessions. I found most of the girls at Club Angelique attractive to very attractive and the service was outstanding, and would certainly go there again.
SL, I asked where should I post, with other few questions which nobody bothered to answer yet, the ones who seemed more interesting to me being about "holidays and turnovers" and if girls can refuse a customer. Since the AO clubs thread has been death sentenced, by you, to my regret, and having seen that somebody else posted here about Angelique, I put it here. BTW, I wasn't given any code to access their website.
[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;1453179]Agreed. The percentage of foreigners to locals visiting these AO clubs I suspect is quite low. They survive based on local traffic. As such, the incidence of STDs transmission is also probably pretty low, otherwise, if every local that went there got infected, it would soon close for lack of customers or be shut down as a health hazard by the authorities.[/QUOTE]I like this a lot, that's what I thought too and gave me the courage (don't laugh; P) to do it when I was so reluctant.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1452563]For the guys planning longer trips, avoid what happened with Jimmy and try to visit AO clubs near the end of a trip.[/QUOTE]I'm reading on google about incubation periods, if your trip lasts about one week or little more nothing should come up even if you caught it on your first day.
[QUOTE=Myrrh; 1453455]Young, fairly attractive girls who all line up before you dutifully so that you can choose whichever one you want. Who are constantly smiling and staring at you with begging looks. With eyes that say that they are desperate for you to empty your sperm into their unprotected pussies.
It's a tough life![/QUOTE]Yes, I appreciate your joke, but honestly it's acceptable (or better masked) in bigger establishments, where the broiler chickens have some room to move and spread their wings, not only their legs, a TV or even a kino in whose movies none is interested, a garden to walk, not mentioning pools or sunbathing. In Angelique I, as a free customer in the condition you described above, felt like a sort of prisoner.
[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99; 1453526].
The second visit I found that I had been missing out on substantial couch time when I observed the girls sitting and making out with customers. I availed myself of this pre-room fun with Vanessa and Kathi, before having two more great hour sessions. I found most of the girls at Club Angelique attractive to very attractive and the service was outstanding, and would certainly go there again.[/QUOTE]I thought the same on my second visit, because on the first I was the only man! Well, I asked a "couple" who had been talking a lot of time about their freedom: the guy was a regular and the girl was not on duty yet, otherwise, as previously said, a couple of minutes will be more than enough to see if candle's sparkled. I sessioned with Evelyn, Vanessa, Alice and Denisa. Personally I don't think I'll go back there, I already went back by mistake, I'd rather go to bigger clubs, with more girls and lower cost: in VV & C. Everything is included, here 30mins are more expensive and AO is not included.
[QUOTE=Johncr04; 1449458]Newbie question here. Was wondering how one would get the username and password to see the expanded pictures section on their website. Is it generic or does one need to sign up?
Thanks![/QUOTE]That's why I skipped this club on my last trip. If I can't see the pictures beforehand, I prefer to go somewhere else.
I went to Villa Venus at about 5pm. Somebody posted it's difficult to reach without a car, well, I got strasserbahn to Amsterdamer Strasse and walked some 20 mins, for those bothering there was a bus stop about 5 mins walk off the club but I didn't want to look for further connections (also, on the way back, being technologically impaired, I even got lost and wandered a good 15 mins more luckily finding the right track, LOL!). The club inside looks fair enough, I'm sorry but I forgot the most details after the traumas I underwent in Arabella, I still consider myself a newbie to Germany and I was a total 0 in this kind of clubs, so I hope I'll get some sympathy and comprehension at least by non-pro-posters which abund in german threads and make me feel a little child, while in all other threads I'm fairly respected.
Anyway, there were 18 girls which made me choose the 110 euros for the 3 sessions option. My doubts were due to the sight of (to my standards) many unfuckable girls, but being everything allowed honestly you can't help choosing that. The girls were sitting alone on 2-seats-sofas, all cheerful and smiling (not begging or looking like) , the atmosphere was friendly and relaxed, nobody seemed to be under any pressure nor made me feel pressure on me, some couples chatting or starting preliminaries, girls talking to each other or walking around were completing the picture. After showering and trying to get mentally acquainted with the club, the girls and (basically) the "main course", I choose (I'm not sure of the name) Alice, tall fake blond, not too bad physically, but really unwatchable boobs, they seemed drained, empty, falling dead, something that was common to the very most of girls I saw there that day, I wonder if it'a sort of virus that spread among them, LOL! Anyway in that moment she was the "less worse".
I asked for a simple BBBJ, she was very nice, caring, we had a lot of fun hearing the moans and noises of our "neighbours". It was like having them with us, since the walls were not to the roof. She gave a very good service, I didn't feel like fucking her because that boob detail annoyed me, I thought I'd save a "disease-lottery-ticket" for a girl I would find fuckable, I had spotted the 3 "victims" when I was already committed with her. I CIMmed and she happily swallowed, I didn't realize that at once, only after a couple of minutes, because I noticed she waited for the very last drop, carried on and didn't stand away nor got napkins for spitting. However, good time and good service, we joked and played still a few minutes and then split.
Second session was with Bianca, who had opened the door to me and then disappeared. A bit short, bum a bit big, anyway fuckable. If I'm not mistaken she has been positively mentioned in the forum, or maybe other forums. Well, great service, great blowing, great fucking, great session, surely recommendable. In that moment I thought I couldn't get better from the point of view of performance, attitude and service (of course not about the body).
Last prey was supposed to be Gaby, another short brunette, but slim and proportionate, I even had tried to tell her that I would go with her eventually when she was walking by my sofa, but she spoke no english and instead of stopping she kept walking away. I was joined by the "owner" of the sofa, Larissa, who was one of the 3 I reckoned more fuckable, being slim, proportionate and taller than the other 2 candidates (not that it was difficult to find taller ones). We started talking and I tried to tell her that I had promised my heart (poetic euphemism) to another girl, so I could have left her place if she wanted. She wanted me to stay, we had a pleasant conversation, added to the fact that Gaby was lost in space and hadn't shown interest in me, I gave in and we moved to the room. Good blowing, great fucking, great service, less skills than Bianca but more fun, less PSE than her but more GFE, very good session anyway. I'd dare to say she put less professionality and more personal involvement than Bianca, therefore she might be less recommendable, Jimmyboy wasn't very happy with her, if she's the same one.
Before leaving I saw Gaby, I thought about going with her too, but it was also a bit late and opted for leaving. Quite happy for the service, price, atmosphere and the overall, I thought I was likely to return, I recalled an enthusiastic post of a guy who had been here for the first time a few months ago and I was agreeing and sharing his feelings. I didn't know what storms were awaiting me in Arabella.
[QUOTE=EastGoing;1453797]Gaby, another short brunette, but slim and proportionate, I even had tried to tell her that I would go with her eventually when she was walking by my sofa, but she spoke no english and instead of stopping she kept walking away. . I was joined by the "owner" of the sofa, Larissa. . I'd dare to say she put less professionality and more personal involvement than Bianca, therefore she might be less recommendable, Jimmyboy wasn't very happy with her, if she's the same one.[/QUOTE]I went with Gaby and as far as I recall she spoke at least some English. Larissa was an OK session, just not as good as the others.
[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1453797]I still consider myself a newbie to Germany and I was a total 0 in this kind of clubs, so I hope I'll get some sympathy and comprehension at least by non-pro-posters which abund in german threads and make me feel a little child, while in all other threads I'm fairly respected.[/Quote]
I obviously mean that there is an abundance of members who know a lot about our hobby here, compared to other threads where residents or frequent travellers are very low in numbers and posts.
[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;1453806]I went with Gaby and as far as I recall she spoke at least some English. Larissa was an OK session, just not as good as the others.[/QUOTE]I speak reasonably fluently four languages, obviously english being the main one when travelling, so I have hopes to manage to find girls who can conversate with me in one way or another, especially if they are romanians, latin. As to Gaby, I don't know, maybe she didn't like me, she could have stopped a second for money if not for love, she's there for money and I was there for sex, but she just kept walking. I remember asking her "you speak english?","No" was her answer. Probably better like that, I was quite happy with Larissa's time and session.
I disovered VV last March, and had a really good time there, to the point that this is now my favorite FKK in the whole of Germany.
I know that this will be hard to understand by many, but I prefer the laid back atmosphere, full included service, no upsell, no extras etc. To the constant bickering and poor service with optifucks in bigger Hesse clubs. To each his own, of course.
Trying to find excuses to go back, but in the meantime, keep the reports coming!
Got there mid afternoon. 3 bus stops from Wattenscheid Hbf plus a few minutes walk, or 20 mins walking at normal pace, but here it's impossible to get lost even for me, LOL! When I entered I smelt by the stairs going to lockers and showers an unpleasant smell of wet moquette, but got instantly over it. Thekkenfrau was very nice, over mid 40, tall, blonde, blue-eyed, english speaking, smiling and cheerful, must have been great in her time. She took care of me very nicely all the time I was there with each and everything I might ask (or even not, if she saw I was in doubt about something or looking for, she'd promptly intervene) , I was expecting her to follow me in the room to make sure I worked out what I was supposed to be there for. Actually many girls were looking at me with an amused smile when I entered and during my stay. Was it so blatantly clear I was a newbie not only in there, where they obviously had never seem me before, but in an AO club, in any club, in Germany, with a girl? Was I the youngest and / or most beautiful (yes)? Did I look like a tender virgin to play with, have fun and initiate to sex pleasures? Would they enjoy their time with a toy boy?
After the introduction and the payment of 60euros-one-shot-included, I showered, took a walk around and noticed, to my great surprise, that nearly all girls, maybe even all, were reasonably fuckable. With some being "remarkable". Not all of them were portraited, because some were new.
BTW, IF I DON'T GET ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS ABOUT "HOLIDAYS AND TURNOVERS" AND IF A GIRL CAN REFUSE A CUSTOMER, I DON'T POST ANYMORE! :P.
A CHILDISH SPOILT BRAT.
I spotted Sabrina sitting proud in the corner like a queen on the throne, she seemed easily the one with the best body, but I want to see all the "goods", in front and behind, because I prefer to choose knowingly and not find surprises, I didn't feel like asking her to stand and turn, also in that moment she wasn't smiling, so I continued my tour. I noticed Moldovan Gaby, somebody not too long ago posted a pic of her with red hair in some thread, not this one, saying she would do AO, I was sure she was supposed to be somewhere else. Now she's blonde, the haircut is the same, when I had seen that photo I hoped I would come across here if I went to that (which one?) club, but having her in front of me gave me a different sensation. She's not bad physically, but didn't attract me, nor did her general attitude. Actually, if she had been in VV I would have taken her for sure, but the competitors in Arabella were many, younger and more attractive by all points of view.
Shortening, I got in touch with Denisa, new in there, black hair with blonde stripes, more than fair body, brightest, most sincere-looking and most captivating smile of the trip. We had a nice brief conversation about our past "careers" and "fell in love". There were other men around, but the most of eyes were on me, I didn't know if I had to be proud or disappointed with that, but it was embarrassing. She took me by hand going to the room, with that great smile printed on her face, I'm not used to see such an "enthusiasm", thekkenfrau gave us a blessing, she seemed emotionated like a mum to a marriage.
A few little premises: like most of us, I'm used to wooden unwillingly unenthusiastic corpses; I don't like FK because I don't fancy snowball leftovers; in this trip I had my first AO experiences, which I'm even shy reporting and don't even specify clearly; I don't DATY because (take a seat and hold tight!) I'm afraid of catching diseases (explaination: since it's me paying for my own pleasure, the mucosa involved must be mine and risks and odds must be by my side).
This said, the action was according to bookmakers' expectations towards the sacrificial victim: she played me like a muppet, SHE had a lot of fun assaulting a nearly defenseless and helpless shy beginner pupil, she did all she wanted with me, kissing, blowing, fucking, from all sides and positions, a massacre. When I unloaded she kept hugging, caressing and kissing me, not forgetting a few bites, WTF, was I dreaming? When she had enough she set me free, I'm reasonably convinced we stayed longer than 30 mins. I couldn't help promising her that, if she gave me permission, I would post about her on internet (otherwise I wouldn't? LOL!) , she was very glad to hear that. I headed to the showers staggering and fearing that the water might make me wake up.
Not to write a book, I go straight to second executioner: Bella. Her approach and execution was colder, slower, more professional, but it was very difficult to get to the peaks of Denisa, who can get that far? Bella is a beautiful girl, tall, pretty face, black hair. Great session, getting better and better with time going by because she was letting herself go enjoying what we were doing. While becoming more "familiar" with me, she also took her slice of fun by taking advantage of the unexperienced alien who happened to land there that day. She didn't abuse too much of what was left by Denisa, and when we finished we split but kept joking and laughing also in the hall, something I wouldn't imagine in Angelique.
Sabrina had been quite busy, I had seen her walking around and I was wondering how such a body could be had for such little money, no matter what treatment she could give. Other girls told her in front of me I would have liked to go with her, and she turned out "but he has already been with 2!", sounding like she really didn't want me. I felt not at ease and told her that if she didn't want me I wouldn't insist, she said "no, it's ok" sounding like sorry and hardly bearing the task. I went to shower first, eventually she'll tell me that in the meantime she asked infos about me, LOL, how I am, how I do, etc. A few lines above I asked a question, now I have the answer: Sabrina, a fierce, ferocious wild savage beast, a real tiger with fangs and claws. Luckily she didn't want to come with me, what if she had come with me willingly? (I'll find out on my second visit...). Or maybe she feared she'd give me the "coup de grace", therefore it was better for me to avoid her? After a difficult beginning with her ravening, devouring and tearing me to pieces, at a certain point of the fight I found her weak point: being fucked from behind. During the several contortions it was always her leading the game, now I was in control. She said she wanted to change position, I asked "why, because you can't bite me like this?","no, because I'll end up coming and I don't want to". WTF, she managed to escape and rejump on me, but in the end I managed to tame her, repositionate her and we both happily released. Not too many words to describe this session, she didn't even want to "unplug" and tried to be sweet and gentle, a little kitten. It took a good while before we go out of the room, this time I watched the clock. 45mins abundant.
A little while after, I picked up my pieces, greeted warmly and gratefully even the sofas and the tiles, and put an end to the greatest mongering (and non) day of my career and sexual life.