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[QUOTE=GregLondon]I wasn't aware that there were any bars in Pattaya that weren't a tourist trap where the women treated patrons as nothing more than a wallet. I think the difference is primarily the skill and sophistication that the illusion is maintained.[/QUOTE]

This is true in some respect. Obviously tourist money is the main motivation. However there was one bar that had some sort of cirque du soliesque type show in which the women there were so blatant about wanting to extract your cash. Needless to say this venue was not the best place to find gfe. After leaving that place me and my wingman ventured to another bar in close proximity and the girls were really nice.

[quote=freebiefan]on my last trip a student lady i know from tagged was fairly insistent that we meet but my schedule was very tight. twice she said she was with her mom and waiting to meet me. so to make it easy i told them what my aprtment building was (well i actually told them the name of the condo block next to it) and mum and daughter seemed impressed.

next day i agreed to meet the student if she came with anyone other than mom. she came with a younger sister.

i left the younger sis at mall and me and student girl went for a drive. somewhere in the drive we got to kissing and student girl confirmed she didn't know anything about sex but wanted to learn on my next trip.

i'm visiting manila in a few days and student girl has confirmed she is fine to visit my condo, with no one else present. lets see what happens.[/quote]enjoy your reports freebie...however one follow up: you have mentioned that you tell the girls that you are married so that the girls know not to expect a commitment from you, yet the cousins and sisters and moms are still giving you the go ahead to go hang out with and shag the girl? i admire you your honesty but it must tor**** some of your chances, no?

thanks and keep up the excellent observations.

[QUOTE=Gfechaser]This is true in some respect. Obviously tourist money is the main motivation. However there was one bar that had some sort of cirque du soliesque type show in which the women there were so blatant about wanting to extract your cash. Needless to say this venue was not the best place to find gfe. After leaving that place me and my wingman ventured to another bar in close proximity and the girls were really nice.[/QUOTE]

Sure there are better and worse places for GFE in Pattaya, but IMHO its a bit like saying there are good restaurants and bad restaurants in England, then you take a trip to France and you find that every little Bistro can rustle up fantastically tasty food. If you get the hang of it, the Phils is to GFE what France is to food.

I've been in the Phils a couple of months now and one of the things that astounds me is the number of times ones sees pretty respectable foreign guys towing around frankly very unimpressive girls.

My girls here say that the locals have a word for this phenomena: that foreigners have a preference for "exotica" ie fat and ugly women that locals would not look at. So what's the explanation????

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I've been in the Phils a couple of months now and one of the things that astounds me is the number of times ones sees pretty respectable foreign guys towing around frankly very unimpressive girls.

My girls here say that the locals have a word for this phenomena: that foreigners have a preference for "exotica" ie fat and ugly women that locals would not look at. So what's the explanation????[/QUOTE]Age old phenomenen thats repeated in Phils, Thailand, Indonesia etc. Everywhere where guys go and see an Asian lady whos age maybe inderterminate but who is probably slimmer than the ladies in his home country.

The girl is happy because she got picked, and so she shows the guy off. The guy thinks he picked a winner. Till he looks around and realises there are way better ladies almost everywhere.

You can see this on the streets every day. It usually takes the guy a day or two to wake up and realise that his " honey" isn't exactly Miss World.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I've been in the Phils a couple of months now and one of the things that astounds me is the number of times ones sees pretty respectable foreign guys towing around frankly very unimpressive girls.

My girls here say that the locals have a word for this phenomena: that foreigners have a preference for "exotica" ie fat and ugly women that locals would not look at. So what's the explanation?[/QUOTE]What you find in the PI thread photo gallery is a microcosm of what most well to do foreigners end up with in PI. I remember reading an article about a confectionary Brit who was not bad looking and educated, successful but yet he chose an uneducated typical bar girl to be his life partner.

If the Filipina on your arm doesn't make the locals look on with jealousy or she doesn't get respect from her countrymen well. Nough said.

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-404560/A-mothers-revenge-murder-son.html[/url]

[quote=daboy]enjoy your reports freebie...however one follow up: you have mentioned that you tell the girls that you are married so that the girls know not to expect a commitment from you, yet the cousins and sisters and moms are still giving you the go ahead to go hang out with and shag the girl? i admire you your honesty but it must tor**** some of your chances, no?[/quote]

daboy
i always make it clear i am married and i wear a ring too. my dia profile says "married or attached".
i still get lots of hits on my profile, and it doesn't seem to hold back the bar girls in any way either. if they ask me do i have a wife i say "yes".
i guess it does tor**** some of my "chances" as you put it but chances for what? at least i know that i don't have to lie and cheat to the women who contact me in order to get to home base - it is remarkably liberating to be upfront and truthful, and i still get to have a lot of fun too. i think it is the sheer weight of numbers of available and searching girls that increases the odds for guys like ff and me.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I've been in the Phils a couple of months now and one of the things that astounds me is the number of times ones sees pretty respectable foreign guys towing around frankly very unimpressive girls.

My girls here say that the locals have a word for this phenomena: that foreigners have a preference for "exotica" ie fat and ugly women that locals would not look at. So what's the explanation????[/QUOTE]

GL. I reckon the explanation is complex but here is a rather simplistic take.

For us guys, there is a big difference between an "attractive" girl and a "beautiful" girl. The beautiful girls win the beauty contests and are often the show business ones but many of them are not what we call attractive in that they don't have that sex appeal oozing out of them. Quite frankly I think some of the stunners are cold and aloof stuck-up supladas who think their shit doesn't stink. But the locals just see the prettiness, the beauty,the body etc and make a judgement on appearances alone, whereas we tend to look at a "total package" that includes looks, sexiness, personality etc.

Locals think that us foreigners have easy access to these beautiful girls because we are rich, and these girls will rather be with us. So when locals see us with girls who are attractive to us but whom they don't call beautiful they cannot process why it might be so, and so they call them exotica.

Some of my best experiences have been with second and third tier girls. Remember the old song
"if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife.
So from a personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you".

Whilst not entirely accurate for me, especially the "ugly" bit, I think the concepts are pretty sound.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]GL. I reckon the explanation is complex but here is a rather simplistic take.

For us guys, there is a big difference between an "attractive" girl and a "beautiful" girl. The beautiful girls win the beauty contests and are often the show business ones but many of them are not what we call attractive in that they don't have that sex appeal oozing out of them. Quite frankly I think some of the stunners are cold and aloof stuck-up supladas who think their shit doesn't stink. But the locals just see the prettiness, the beauty,the body etc and make a judgement on appearances alone, whereas we tend to look at a "total package" that includes looks, sexiness, personality etc.

Locals think that us foreigners have easy access to these beautiful girls because we are rich, and these girls will rather be with us. So when locals see us with girls who are attractive to us but whom they don't call beautiful they cannot process why it might be so, and so they call them exotica.

Some of my best experiences have been with second and third tier girls. Remember the old song
"if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife.
So from a personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you".

Whilst not entirely accurate for me, especially the "ugly" bit, I think the concepts are pretty sound.[/QUOTE]

A few days ago staying at my hotel was an OK say 55 year old Swiss guy who had married a 45 year old Filipina, She looked OK for her age but he said whereas she had originally told him she had 1 kid infact she had 5 kids so he's now very constrained in terms of where he can go and what he can do. Maybe it doesnt make sense for a guy in that position to get a 21 year old stunner, but there are so many attractive, slim nulliparas that would jump at the chance of a swiss passport

It sucks to hear that Cebu Pacific and Philippines Airlines are now blacklisted by the EU.

If we get in trouble I wonder if our european insurances will cover us as we have boarded planed that are considered unsafe by EU regulations!

I don't really understand the blacklist, Cebu uses reasonably modern A319. 320 and sames goes for PAL.

[QUOTE=Warbucks]What you find in the PI thread photo gallery is a microcosm of what most well to do foreigners end up with in PI. I remember reading an article about a confectionary Brit who was not bad looking and educated, successful but yet he chose an uneducated typical bar girl to be his life partner.

If the Filipina on your arm doesn't make the locals look on with jealousy or she doesn't get respect from her countrymen well. Nough said.

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-404560/A-mothers-revenge-murder-son.html[/url][/QUOTE]And the meaning of a " confectionary Brit " is ?

Perhaps you mean he was in the business of retailing sugared comestibles whilst simultaneously holding a passport declaring Honi Soit Qui Mal y pense ?

My own musings on the subject are as follows. I think one can separate out various situations.

1 I think there are a group of girls who would be widely considered hot in the west but who don't score well in terms of Asian standards of beauty where tall, fair skinned girls are considered the most attractive and shorter "black beauties" (ie darker skinned girls) are looked down upon, even if they have got what Westerners would consider hot little bodies. Westerners tend to pay little regard to the kind of pure babyfaced features which Asians tend to prize.

2 A second situation is when the guy is just looking for a hot partner for the night. In this case hot body + personality/attitude is likely to outweigh both western/eastern standards of beauty.

3 Proactiveness. As a generalisation it tends to be the older more experienced but more haggard girls that are much more proactive at initiating conversations and sitting down with guys (because of experience and because they have to as people won't pick them if they just sit there.). Many guys especially the ones less experienced with Asia find that de facto they have been picked by the girls rather than checking out all the options and going for the one they fancy the most. Many girls in Phils are expert at ensuring that a guy they are with (if he is less experienced) does not try out too many other ladies. They will meet him at the aiport and give him very little time alone in which to sample other wares. MAny less expereinced Western guys end up spending 2 weeks with a girl they got tired of after 3 days as they dont know /are too polite to get rid of her.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]1 I think there are a group of girls who would be widely considered hot in the west but who don't score well in terms of Asian standards of beauty where tall, fair skinned girls are considered the most attractive and shorter "black beauties" (ie darker skinned girls) are looked down upon, even if they have got what Westerners would consider hot little bodies. Westerners tend to pay little regard to the kind of pure babyfaced features which Asians tend to prize.

2 A second situation is when the guy is just looking for a hot partner for the night. In this case hot body + personality/attitude is likely to outweigh both western/eastern standards of beauty.

3 Proactiveness. As a generalisation it tends to be the older more experienced but more haggard girls that are much more proactive at initiating conversations and sitting down with guys (because of experience and because they have to as people won't pick them if they just sit there.). Many guys especially the ones less experienced with Asia find that de facto they have been picked by the girls rather than checking out all the options and going for the one they fancy the most. Many girls in Phils are expert at ensuring that a guy they are with (if he is less experienced) does not try out too many other ladies. They will meet him at the aiport and give him very little time alone in which to sample other wares. MAny less expereinced Western guys end up spending 2 weeks with a girl they got tired of after 3 days as they don't know /are too polite to get rid of her.[/QUOTE]Additionally, theres an advantage in taking the path less well traveled. The gorgous ones (to either Filipino or Western eyes) are aware of their aesthetic value and market themselves accordingly, whether in P4P or in the "freebie world"

Those who recognise that they are not Ms World contenders actually try harder to please, tend to have less attitude, tend to expect less, and are generally nicer to be with. I'm going to Manila this weekend, and my 21 year old friend will ensure that I'm treated well. Shes a 7 but not a 10.

The 24 year odl Nurse who turns my head especially when clad in suspenderrs and garter belt will equally treat me sooo well. Also a 7 not a 10.

If you are only aiming to impress the random strangers who you don't know anyway, then thats a choice.

If you are looking for fun and totally satisfying personal experience with a girl you can connect with on a physical and mental side, who you can converse with and who will be there with hot kisses to wake you up, again, thats a choice. Id rather impress myself than my neighbours.

And never ever ever let a girl meet you at the airport. LOL

[QUOTE=GregLondon]My own musings on the subject are as follows. I think one can separate out various situations.

1 I think there are a group of girls who would be widely considered hot in the west but who don't score well in terms of Asian standards of beauty where tall, fair skinned girls are considered the most attractive and shorter "black beauties" (ie darker skinned girls) are looked down upon, even if they have got what Westerners would consider hot little bodies. Westerners tend to pay little regard to the kind of pure babyfaced features which Asians tend to prize.

2 A second situation is when the guy is just looking for a hot partner for the night. In this case hot body + personality/attitude is likely to outweigh both western/eastern standards of beauty.

3 Proactiveness. As a generalisation it tends to be the older more experienced but more haggard girls that are much more proactive at initiating conversations and sitting down with guys (because of experience and because they have to as people won't pick them if they just sit there.). Many guys especially the ones less experienced with Asia find that de facto they have been picked by the girls rather than checking out all the options and going for the one they fancy the most. Many girls in Phils are expert at ensuring that a guy they are with (if he is less experienced) does not try out too many other ladies. They will meet him at the aiport and give him very little time alone in which to sample other wares. MAny less expereinced Western guys end up spending 2 weeks with a girl they got tired of after 3 days as they dont know /are too polite to get rid of her.[/QUOTE]

Agree with everything you said GL. It is an extrapolation of my earlier post and I think your Point 3 is absolutely correct. Most of us (now) experienced guys were newbies once and i remember almost getting caught like you described but I managed to extricate myself and survived to tell the tale.

My experience is that the pinoys are not into exotic pinays since they are normally more dark skinned and have a "regular" look. They like chinese or european/american looking ladies.
For us europeans, we tend to like tanned ladies and some are REALLY beautiful to us. I showed a picture of a VERY beautiful young lady to a pinoy friend and he expected me to show him a beauty... and all he said was "she's a morena". Not impressed at all.
In a filipino forum I have frequented for sometime one of the most popular ladies looked like an "ugly" american/european lady to me, but the local guys looked at her as the princess of their lives.

And - as another guy below mentioned... Real beautiful ladies (to foreign mongers and locals) tend to act like they know it and behave like a starfish.

So - for me - the exotic ladies are what I look for always, as long as they are slim and young - and hopefully have something that look like tits :) which can be hard to find sometimes.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I've been in the Phils a couple of months now and one of the things that astounds me is the number of times ones sees pretty respectable foreign guys towing around frankly very unimpressive girls.

My girls here say that the locals have a word for this phenomena: that foreigners have a preference for "exotica" ie fat and ugly women that locals would not look at. So what's the explanation????[/QUOTE]


@Redkilt
Me too... I always share that I am attached/married, but I make sure to tell them that I am not attached to a pinay. Looks like that make them more relaxed as they dont have any local competition. Just my view on it.