Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=The Pro]1500 baht for the girl is her tip, its the market rate and there is no need to tip anymore and I do not.[/QUOTE]Incorrect. The 1500 is not her tip, it is her service charge. The tip would be anything on top of the service charge.

[QUOTE=The Pro]Yes, but this is Thailand, a country where tipping is done only on the basis of to show how rich you are (its crept in as rich Thai's become more "international"). Its the old "I have a bigger cock than you do" game and all about richness. You will see some rich Thai's giving all the bellboys 500 baht for carrying a few bags when you do stay at Elite hotels. They do this purely for show. This is why you will see Thai women love to have lots of diamonds, lots of gold, lots of jewellery, Thailand is a place of show.Tipping in general has come in with the tourists, who did not know any better and started tipping people, and then it became an expectation of every tourist they C.In general for resturants if the bill includes a service charge, you do not leave any tips.You do not tip the servers at McDonalds and you do not tip the girls working in a supermarket etc.When it comes to sexual services you agree a fee, or the fee is set out in front of you in a menu or you know the fee and you pay it. There is no need for any extra.So yes, I do not "tip". Oilies the girl gets 1500 baht for FS. Does not matter if its Soi 8, Soi 24, Tulip or Mango. And does not matter if I had 1 pop, 2 pops, 3 pops, anal or anything else. Its 1500 baht.The girl provies excellent service because she wants YOU to come back to her and be a regular. You should not be paying HER more to attempt to get better service next time.Now I agree, if you smell, are pig ugly, 300 pounds or more in weight, have serious issues with your personality, are just a bad person etc. Then she may not give you excellent performance as she does not want you to come back, in this case some people will attempt to bribe the girl by giving a tip and then hoping that she wants to see him again.1500 baht for FS is great money for these girls. The trouble is most "tourists" never see the Thai side of life. On the Thai side of life where these girls come from 500 baht for FS is the norm, sometimes 300 baht. When they jump into the "farang" side of the tourist arena they cannot beleive they get 1500 baht for FS, its just so much money.But once they get into the farang scene they get spoilt, they suddenly get the odd big tipper and then they expect more and more, they get more and more greedy and the farang scene coverts nice girls into being the money hungry girls you read in the media that they paint all Thai girls with. Its very wrong, its only the girls exposed to the farang "money is God" syndrome that get messed up and then they mess up farangs.Same old thing, tourists from afar who have no clue about Thailand and come and experience the "farang" scene end up trying to portray that as everything there is and there is nothing else.You can guess for example why some "establishments" target USA based customers. They know most have no clue about tipping in Thailand, they know most have no clue about value for money in Thailand. And so they target USA based newbies as they are the "prefect" customer for overpaying and overtipping.So yes, you can say, when it comes to commercial sex in Thailand, I as a rule never tip a single satang more. There is no need to, no need whatsoever.People who do tip are not "helping the poor girl" most girls will blow most of the money on gambling and drink. Some are clever enough to save, most are not. The gambling debts and the drink drive the girls to need more money, to ask for bigger tips and to rip off more farangs for more money.When you "spoil the market" there are consequences, there always are. In the case of "over tipping' you start the girl down the slippery slope of greed, of wanting more and more and more.So in answer to your question, at any oily its;1500 baht for the girl. 400 baht to the house for 1 hour (or 800 for 2 hours) AND NOTHING MORE.1500 baht for the girl is her tip, its the market rate and there is no need to tip anymore and I do not.If you want to throw your money away, then give it to the street kids in Bangkok. At least their "handlers" can enjoy some good whiskey with the money.[/QUOTE]I only can confirm that here, there is nothing to add,The only thing is, not many people read the ISG, and many mongerers not know about the real lifde in Thailand, so with surplus tipping they also help to spoil the marketsFellows try to inform your friends and future visitors to Thailand or any other country for that reason that its not necessray to overdue with tipping or even to pay more that basic is asked. This will help in future to enjoy this much more and without the hazzle.Well its anybodies own turn to add something for extraordinary service. But its not necessary.

[QUOTE=The Pro]Now I agree, if you smell, are pig ugly, 300 pounds or more in weight, have serious issues with your personality, are just a bad person etc. Then she may not give you excellent performance as she does not want you to come back, in this case some people will attempt to bribe the girl by giving a tip and then hoping that she wants to see him again.[/QUOTE]That's me!! The Pro, have you been following me? how can you know so much about me when we have never met? (You forgot to mention I am 71 years old though).Anyway, reading your posts, I see you are one of the All inclusive-no tip kind of guy and that's ok, I mean, we all do whatever we want to do, but why assume that everyone who does not follow your logic is wrong? I am much like BARKO, I am a tipper. When I get very good service, I tip very well and I have had some girls stay with me for free. But I don't like to mix my life too much with prostitutes. They are great from a P4P perspective but not as a girlfriend or Gik (I leave that to the Rabbit KTV).Also, I have my own business so I couldn't care less about 1 or 2k baht, that's peanuts to me and can make a big difference with the girl. I don't give a shit about being a white knight, just like to reward Good service.And as Giotto said, if you take care of them (tip-wise), they will always give you excellent service. These girls are in this business for money.The Pro, I thought you were in Thailand and knew the drill? how can you say that places go after USA business for the tips? That's a pretty ignorant statement. Most Farang-oriented places will refuse to cater to Thais (but that's because of the girls), the rest, they don't care, you can be French, african, indian... they'll take your money.Girls prefer older Japanese customers (and most girls tell me that) because they usually don't use enhancement pills (so no long fucks) and pay well.The Pro, you can continue to not tip, it's your decision but don't go around bashing people or places because they do tip or ask for tips. Just because they don't do things like you doesn't mean they are all wrong.

[QUOTE=Pita123]Incorrect. The 1500 is not her tip, it is her service charge. The tip would be anything on top of the service charge.[/QUOTE]Incorrect. The 1500 baht is her tip, there is no such thing as a service charge.If she does a good job and makes me happy, she will get 1500 baht. If she does a really good job I might return and give her repeat business (which they like as its easier to keep a few customers going as opposed to having new ones all the time).If she were to do a poor job then I will give just 1000 baht and tell her I was not impressed.If she were to be useless I will call a halt to the session, pay her 500 baht and leave.Therefore the "tip" is up to 1500 baht. This is not a service charge, that would mean its fixed. Its not, its performance based up to a maximum of 1500 baht.Newbies. Be very aware that you under no circumstances need to tip at soapies where you pay the full amount up front.Newbies also be aware, the maximum you need to pay to the girl at an oily is 1500 baht. But if she performs badly you are perfectly entitled to pay less and let her know you where not happy. Unless you stop the sesson early its advisable to give at least 1000 baht if you have had some sort of sex. If you have as yet got inside her and you decide to call it off, then 500 baht is ok and leave early.The girls will not respect you more for paying more. You are not "helping them out" as most will waste the money on drink or gambling. It does not make you a hero if you pay more. In fact, nobody knows at all if you pay more actually or just post BS on the internet about how much you pay, so the "bragging rights" are not there to be had.Of course, at the end those claiming to pay much more will simply say "I am rich enough I can afford to pay it". So that might be, so am I, however I have an aversion to being stupid and spoling the market, if they prefer to be rich and stupid thats up to them, I prefer to be rich and smart.

I said a "few establishments" target newbie USA visitors, who do not have a clue about tipping, who do not know what is "value for money" in Thailand.These establishments know who they are, and they are the most active 2 on the internet forums read by. Mostly potential newbie USA visitors.You should know who they are, and why they market on the forums to get those newbies.If you feed a kid noodles all their life, when you give them rice it will seem a wonderful change and something exotic. However, for people who eat rice and noodles they know that neither is any better than the other.Which is why newbie USA visitors are like gold dust to those 2 establishments that advertise one their soapy massage and the other their room accomodation so much on the internet forums.I thought you would be able to deduce the meaning from the shortened sentance, but as you could not I have made it simple and expanded it for you to make is easier for you to comprehend.[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]The Pro, I thought you were in Thailand and knew the drill? How can you say that places go after USA business for the tips?That's a pretty ignorant statement. Most Farang-oriented places will refuse to cater to Thais (but that's because of the girls).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The Pro]Incorrect. The 1500 baht is her tip, there is no such thing as a service charge.Incorrect - The 1500 Baht is the price for FS with her. HJ is 500 Baht and BJ is 1000 Baht if I remembered correctly. If you are disagreeable with this price and insist on paying based on performance, it is only fair that you inform the lady in advance and let her decide whether she want your business or not. What you consider poor service might be considered acceptable service by others so what is your measurement for service standard?I am quite sure that the majority of the members here will disagree with you.

[QUOTE=The Pro]1500 baht for FS is great money for these girls. The trouble is most "tourists" never see the Thai side of life. On the Thai side of life where these girls come from 500 baht for FS is the norm, sometimes 300 baht. When they jump into the "farang" side of the tourist arena they cannot beleive they get 1500 baht for FS, its just so much money.But once they get into the farang scene they get spoilt, they suddenly get the odd big tipper and then they expect more and more, they get more and more greedy and the farang scene coverts nice girls into being the money hungry girls you read in the media that they paint all Thai girls with. Its very wrong, its only the girls exposed to the farang "money is God" syndrome that get messed up and then they mess up farangs.[/QUOTE]Actually, generally speaking the 'Thai side' is about the same price as the 'farang side' - you have your 300-600 baht 'song supanee' still in some towns and in some remote parts of Bangkok, though less and less compared to the old days. These have very low quality unless staffed with illegal aliens, and are comparable to the Beach Road in Pattaya. Also there are some low end streetwalkers for Thais in Bangkok in Chinatown and around Sanam Luang or Lumpini. Most of my Thai friends stick to the middle class venues - Ab Nam Nuit (soapies), or kareoke, where the price is 1,000-2,200 upcountry, and maybe 1,800-5,000 in Bangkok. So, comparable to the prices in the farang business. Sure the girls are a little different style - basically lighter skinned and better looking in the Thai side, with poor service, and darker/older/less attractive in the farang side, but with better service. But the price isn't different. In fact as for me personally, I always spend far more money per sexual service in Isaan than in Pattaya (basically 1,200-1,500 is my norm upcountry, and 700-900 in Pattaya).

[QUOTE=Aries3288][QUOTE=The Pro]Incorrect. The 1500 baht is her tip, there is no such thing as a service charge.Incorrect - The 1500 Baht is the price for FS with her. HJ is 500 Baht and BJ is 1000 Baht if I remembered correctly. If you are disagreeable with this price and insist on paying based on performance, it is only fair that you inform the lady in advance and let her decide whether she want your business or not. What you consider poor service might be considered acceptable service by others so what is your measurement for service standard?I am quite sure that the majority of the members here will disagree with you.[/QUOTE]Of course we disagree with him, but we are too tired to constantly answer his repetitive useless statements.. Let it be!

[QUOTE=Opebo]Most of my Thai friends stick to the middle class venues - Ab Nam Nuit (soapies), or kareoke, where the price is 1,000-2,200 upcountry, and maybe 1,800-5,000 in Bangkok. So, comparable to the prices in the farang business. Sure the girls are a little different style - basically lighter skinned and better looking in the Thai side, with poor service, and darker/older/less attractive in the farang side, but with better service. But the price isn't different. In fact as for me personally, I always spend far more money per sexual service in Isaan than in Pattaya (basically 1,200-1,500 is my norm upcountry, and 700-900 in Pattaya).[/QUOTE]Don't forget also that the Thais monger in groups and usually drink Whisky (bottles) before screwing. they invite girls to their table and pay for drinks.They usually end up paying more than us, even at the same massage places.

I can hardly believe NicFrenchy is 71 years old. I thought you were a young stud not a day over 31. You remind me of my great-grandfather (another Frenchman) who lived to be 96 and sired his last child at 75 long before V appeared. I would be honored to buy you a piece of ass when I am in BKK in late December providing you leave your own tip.

[quote=the pro]yes, but this is Thailand, a country where tipping is done only on the basis of to show how rich you are (its crept in as rich thai's become more "international").[/QUOTE]Yeah, and ALL of the successful farangs that I know here are generous to a fault. Almost to the point of actually defining the way to the top. If you are a poor dumb thumb sucker in Thailand with no upward mobility, you will never learn the ways here.Money splash is one of the most obvious ways to get recognized as a player, and a player you must be here. Period.Otherwise, you are an english teacher or simple desk jockey for some international corporation, etc. Etc. And will never be able to afford anything here anyway. Admirable, maybe some sure, but certainly not able to perceive the layers of money reality here in Thailand whatsoever, (you are too busy looking up somebody's else's butt, or pinching your tight little pennies, to ever see anything other than frustration and self-worth issue boorishness.) Why not go someplace where the basic elements of the country & society fit your own mentality instead of denigrating a population that could give a fat fuck about what you think?[b]Thailand: if you can't learn how to run & play in the street with the big dogs, then fucking hit the road! [/b] Oh, wait, hello, that's pretty much true of anywhere. Otherwise, just do your own thing, keep your tail between your legs, watch your own back, and don't try to tell others how to play.Some people get it right away, some learn it through the school of hard knocks, and some never get it, ever. Thailand DID NOT used to have a middle class, it was 10% rich, and 90% shitass poor. The differentiated mentality is still with us. Get a clue.

[QUOTE=The Pro]If you wish to be insulting, please stop.For your information my "take home" fixed pay (thats after deductions and tax) is over 500, 000 baht per month.[/QUOTE]And, that's the reason you pay 200 Baht tips. Right. All that dosh. You own anything here? If you don't 'your cash ain't nuttin but trash.' Feathers ruffled?I've been here since '84. First trip in '78. The old Thai way goes like this: Every single place where they put a 7-11 in Thailand, is the exact location where you used to do motorbike drive-by pick ups for girls. (Funny huh? Very smart 'Southland Corp', location location location) You fed them, bed them, then took them back to the same spot = 200 Baht. (You then gave her another 100 Baht tip, that's 50%, but if you planned on banging her again soon, you gave her a very nice 150-200 Baht tip and happily made the pre-arrangements.) This was SOP. Standard Operating Procedure (and the THAI WAY.)Guess in your world it could never work like that. The Pro, we come from two different Thailands; Yours sounds like it's all 100% farang. Well, generosity is the name of the game in 'Thai' Thailand, and if you are looking for the top talent, it always will be.I will say it again to be clear: Every single [b]successful[/b] farang that I know here is generous to a fault. It's the easy part of how you create your Thai reality. The perception of your generous good feeling (jai dee) becomes the reality.How do others perceive YOU 'The Pro'?

[QUOTE=The Pro]If you wish to be insulting, please stop.For your information my "take home" fixed pay (thats after deductions and tax) is over 500, 000 baht per month.That excludes bonus payments, which are in themselves very nice.Like I said, you can be "rich and stupid" or "rich and smart".Sadly the loud mouthed hyper arrogant types tend to be "rich and stupid" and generally lose everything before they are 55. Thats because they are so stupid.Your decision to utilise a "tirade" of foul mouthed abuse says everything about you.You have said enough that others need to say no more to describe you.[/QUOTE]I pity the self appointed "rich and smart" guy who earns more than 500,000THB and still spent his life arguing about the price of a drink in MPs.. Poor soul!

[QUOTE=Spider916]Nobody cares how much you spend for your lunch, your car, your watch, your shoes or your latest hooker[/QUOTE]No shit.The Pro laces his reports with dogma and extremely insensitive comments about altruism and generosity in Thailand. I called him on it. The guy does yak up a storm of bullshit.Took me a while to get it. My bad. Sorry for clogging up the bandwidth.Back to the topic of banging massage chicks around town, agreed.Last weekend, 9/10 Ratchada soapy chick, came to the hotel room afterhours (again.) She got a nice tip for outstanding initiative. Next time she gets to come to the condo. Screencap from vid:

I was in BKK few weeks ago. Booked Ice (ex Tulip, now Mango MP) online for 2 hrs (Star Inn Hotel). She is a real porn star. She managed to swallow two times. I was too tired for the third round.Also, I looked for Ann but she is a stud and not always available.