Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Nounce;2423564]You have not elaborated how bad it ended up for you. Plenty of people enter US not knowing English everyday.

What do you think the immigration think what sex vacation is?[/QUOTE]It was actually quite foolish on my part. I thought my Spanish was improving as I had successfully interacted with some working girls while in Medellin. Landing at the airport and happening upon this Latina immigration officer I thought I'd give my Spanish a try. It went well for the first couple exchanges but then she would have discovered that I was not a Spanish speaker at all and somehow that might have pissed her off. After I left immigration I was met by some officers who ushered me into a room and gave me the third degree obviously at the behest of the immigration officer.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2423661]I always tell the immigration officers the true purpose of my travels and they clearly appreciate the honesty. Last year one officer told me he had a suspicious guy earlier that day he had to question extensively until the guy finally admitted what I blurted out immediately. Other times they replied "smart man", "keep moving" and "thanks for your honesty". It's definitely not an issue with immigration.[/QUOTE]I will never tell the Immigration officer the true purpose of my travels, I'm not that stupid. I have learnt from my previous interactions with immigration officers. Always answer the questions of the officer never volunteer information and speak in your native language. Question: What was the purpose of your trip? Answer: Tourism. To any monger who follows the advice given by posters on this site and answers "having sex with prostitutes', you get what you deserve. Immigration officers are human and action from them varies from one to the other and sometimes on a whim. They have great power over you and at the time you have no recourse. The least that can happen to you is much inconvenience and embarrassment. The worst, your guess is as good as mine.

[QUOTE=Njoean197;2423817]I made the best of Lleras and compared to local party scene where I live, it was well worth the money I spent. I have no regrets and can't wait for round two.

So, my question is. Your saying Botero Plaza is "Better Than Parque Lleras" in sheer terms of quality of girls and enjoyment?

I understand its definately cheaper, but the girls are hotter and funner to hang with? I never made it out to Botero, but I keep reading better and better things.[/QUOTE]You probably would not like Botero. It is nothing like Lleras where people go to party and it is nothing like the local party scene where you live. It is just hookers out trying to make some money. There, you have to be in charge of creating your own fun.

Why don't you ever see Colombian guys picking up chicks in Parque Lleras?

After missing my connecting flight in Bogota (not enough time to get through immigration), it was a long day. Made the mistake of getting a freelance taxi driver. I'm sure I paid too much at 80 k, but at least he was honest and delivered me to my hotel. He even paid for the tunnel himself for that price. Arrived at the Nutibara Hotel around 1 pm.

I went out to look for some fruit around 3 pm. I got a pineapple, 4 large avocados and this type of fruit that seems to be like a pear but is pink inside and has lots of hard seeds (didn't like it and threw it away). The pineapple and avocado were really good.

Unpacked and took a nap. Loud noise outside with the fruit sellers calling out on loud speakers so I popped in some ear plugs. Got up around 6:30 pm and walked toward Conjetas. Still lots of people around. Stopped at a restaurant and ordered a chicken dinner and beer 8300 pesos). Went to Conjetas where I was warmly greeted. Drank too much beer. Mostly girls I wasn't attracted to, but also couldn't see anyone taking girls for sexo. Went to a little bar on a side street and bought a girl a drink but my phone had no data so couldn't communicate on google translate. She was trying to break a world record for drinking her beer so I bounced before she could ask for another. I was kind of frustrated by then so I walked over to Botero plaza and grabbed the second SW who approached me. I gave her 50 k and still she kept trying to up-sell me. I know, I should have done a lot of things differently. Not a good experience. Total for all my mistakes yesterday: about $100. We'll let's see if I can do better today!

On the point of safety here, it seems chaotic but there are lots of people and police around even at 10:30 pm on a Friday night. I didn't feel unsafe.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2423665]For those with Global Entry and SENTRI, I would be concerned about telling immigration officers about the true purpose of your travels as it might affect your ability to renew into these programs at a later date.[/QUOTE]I've had Global Entry since 2013 and so had to renew it in 2018. I discussed my hobby with the officer during the interview in Maimi. He asked me what county was best and I told him I like the Paisas in Colombia. He said he has heard the Paisas are beautiful and would love to make a trip to Medellin. Our hobby is definitely not an issue with USA Immigration.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2423874]I will never tell the Immigration officer the true purpose of my travels, I'm not that stupid. I have learnt from my previous interactions with immigration officers. Always answer the questions of the officer never volunteer information and speak in your native language. Question: What was the purpose of your trip? Answer: Tourism. To any monger who follows the advice given by posters on this site and answers "having sex with prostitutes', you get what you deserve. Immigration officers are human and action from them varies from one to the other and sometimes on a whim. They have great power over you and at the time you have no recourse. The least that can happen to you is much inconvenience and embarrassment. The worst, your guess is as good as mine.[/QUOTE]I totally agree.

They are all individuals, mostly cool I've found.

I travel international quite frequently, probably like a lot of us here.

There are some, however, that may or can turn something you say into something else, etc.

I just keep it friendly and simple, no sly remarks, etc.

Why do that?

Like Turgid said, even after everything gets cleared up, you've still most likely been greatly inconvenienced.

[QUOTE=Njoean197;2423817]I had a very good time in Parque Lleras. Only complaint was that it was expensive. If I am flying to another country, I don't want to pay near USA rates to party. I too noticed you had to weed out some of the trashier WGs in Lleras, but if you went into some of the clubs, you could find some very decent ones for around 200 k, solid 7's and some 8's. They were fun to party and drink with as well. Gusto had a decent number of 8's, maybe some 9's as well. To me they didn't seem old LOL, but I have noticed on this forum that anything over 24 years old for WGs is considered old, so I guess they were in the mid to late twenties range, but definately some younger ones too. They were asking for 200 USD for all night in Gustos. I made the best of Lleras and compared to local party scene where I live, it was well worth the money I spent. I have no regrets and can't wait for round two.

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2423896]You probably would not like Botero. It is nothing like Lleras where people go to party and it is nothing like the local party scene where you live. It is just hookers out trying to make some money. There, you have to be in charge of creating your own fun.

Why don't you ever see Colombian guys picking up chicks in Parque Lleras?[/QUOTE]I agree w Mr Ent.

If you like P Lleras and that scene, and those girls there, you most likely won't like Botero.

Go out to Botero and take a look though, there are all shapes and sizes out there.
More of an afternoon to dusk type endeavor and definitely dont expect a P Lleras atmosphere at all.
Keep an eye on your stuff, your pockets, dont flash your phone, wallet, etc.
Doesnt matter how big you are, they just hit quick and run.
Theyre (the lurking thieves) arent there to fight you, just looking for a quick grab and run.

I personally like Botero, but others are definitely better suited by the insulated P Lleras / el Poblado scene.

I cant stand when those Lleras chicas approach and say Hola, fuky fuky, sucky, sucky.
Im not into the chicas who’ve been w lots of gringos.
I have nothing against gringos, Im one as well, Lol.

The girls normally get spoiled and ruined though.
Not my thing.

I like and Im good at the hunt for unspoiled talent.

Also, I have seen Veracruz and Mayorista girls walking Lleras.

Quite a few actually.

They've found where to find the quick peso from the gringo.

Definitely get on FB though.

[QUOTE=Njoean197;2423817]I had a very good time in Parque Lleras. Only complaint was that it was expensive. If I am flying to another country, I don't want to pay near USA rates to party. I too noticed you had to weed out some of the trashier WGs in Lleras, but if you went into some of the clubs, you could find some very decent ones for around 200 k, solid 7's and some 8's. They were fun to party and drink with as well. Gusto had a decent number of 8's, maybe some 9's as well. To me they didn't seem old LOL, but I have noticed on this forum that anything over 24 years old for WGs is considered old, so I guess they were in the mid to late twenties range, but definately some younger ones too. They were asking for 200 USD for all night in Gustos. I made the best of Lleras and compared to local party scene where I live, it was well worth the money I spent. I have no regrets and can't wait for round two.

So, my question is. Your saying Botero Plaza is "Better Than Parque Lleras" in sheer terms of quality of girls and enjoyment?

I understand its definately cheaper, but the girls are hotter and funner to hang with? I never made it out to Botero, but I keep reading better and better things. I am a bigger guy and have no problem in terms of safety in any American city, but obviously I know even in American cities no matter how tough you are there are certain neighborhoods you just don't fuck with.[/QUOTE][B]On Botero[/B]

Plaza Botero isn't a party zone. It's a open plaza area full of Fernando Botero's statues. People come from all over the world to take selfies with the statues, often with their hand in an inappropriate place. On one side of the Plaza is the Museum of Antioquia. On the other side is the Palace of Culture. Both are worth a visit.

With the influx of Venezuelan refugees in recent years, the Plaza has become populated with Venezuelan working girls. Not far from the plaza are the main areas where Medellin prostitutes offer their services.

These are daytime activities. After 8 pm, the Plaza empties out and the police go home. After 9 pm there's nothing open except for the strip clubs and bars across the street.

There are night club areas in El Centro similar to Parque Lleras, on a smaller scale. The Tranvia (part of the Metro system, accessible at San Antonio station) will take you to one of them. However, you will find no gringos there. I suspect you may find some working girls. There are nightclub areas all over the city and you're likely to find working girls in any. They like to party. The difference is, when they go to Parque Lleras, they go to work. When they go to La 70 or any other zone, they go to party. I'd tone down my approach and let them come to me. On the plus side, prices will be less and you'll be the only gringo there.

[B]On Facebook [/B]

Create a new email account. Do not use it for anyone associated with friends and family. Use that email to set up a Facebook account. Don't put your phone number into Facebook. Don't let Facebook import your contacts. Don't use pictures of yourself which you have shared with friends and family. Don't put in your home city, place of employment, high school, etc. Use other information.

Once you have set up Facebook, add in some interests. Search for night clubs you've visited in Parque Lleras. Search for restaurants you like. Add a few photos. Travel photos are good. You want Facebook to think you're a normal guy doing normal things.

Now add some "friends. " From the search bar type "happy ending Medellin. " It's an account which was a massage parlor. The friend list can be viewed by anyone. The women on the friend list are almost all prostitutes. Many of the men are gringos who go to Medellin for prostitutes. It's like a LinkedIn for getting laid.

Start requesting to add women as friends. Don't try to add them all at once. Start slow. Here's the method I used:

1. View the girls profile. Look at her "About Info. " Look for a birthday. This is just to get an idea of her age.

2. Look at her pictures. Sexy pictures? Pool pics? Pics in elevators? Look at a few sexy pics. Who commented? Who liked? These are possibly other people you want to friend.

3. Can you see her friend list? Her friends are another source of possible friends. I'll often go 4 levels deep (friend of a friend of a friend of the girl) looking for girls to add.

4. Like what you see? Click add friend. Now back up, pick another girl and repeat. Take your time. Every time you have a few minutes, try to add a few girls. Don't try to add 50 at a time. Paying attention to the whole profile slows you down.

5. Wait for responses. Women will start accepting your friend request. Some will message you.

After that, keep your Facebook active. Add an occasional picture. Share something you see on a girl's Facebook.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2423913]I totally agree. They are all individuals, mostly cool I've found. I travel international quite frequently, probably like a lot of us here. There are some, however, that may or can turn something you say into something else, etc.[/QUOTE]Responding to the post that you responded to: I for one have no need to lie to immigration. I was coming back from Tijuana and the officer asked me what I was doing there. I said fucking them hoes. He said okay have a good day.

Had I said tourism and he looked into the computer and saw that I had been there 100 times, I would look quite the fool. He would then ask well what are you seeing there that you have had to see 100 times? Do you have any souvenirs or pictures from your trip? Allow me to peruse your electronics. Not telling them the truth is what gets you in trouble; not stating you did something that is not illegal.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2423926]Responding to the post that you reaponded to: I for one have no need to lie to immigration. I was coming back from Tijuana and the officer asked me what I was doing there. I said fucking them hoes. He said okay have a good day. Had I said tourism and he looked into the computer and saw that I had been there 100 times, I would look quite the fool. He would then ask well what are you seeing there that you have had to see 100 times? Do you have any souvenirs or pictures from your trip? Allow me to peruse your electronics. Not telling them the truth is what gets you in trouble; not stating you did something that is not illegal.[/QUOTE]Well that's great, and I'm glad that works for you.

I would never ever, say what you said.

Not my technique, and I just don't say, "fucking them hoes".

Not my way.

If I was in your shoes with many trips like that, I may say, “checking out the bars, having fun”, however, I'm glad that line works for you.

I never said to not tell the truth, I said friendly and simple, and I personally dont use sly remarks like you, that could get some officer riled up someday.
Have at it though if it makes you feel good.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2423909]I've had Global Entry since 2013 and so had to renew it in 2018. I discussed my hobby with the officer during the interview in Maimi. He asked me what county was best and I told him I like the Paisas in Colombia. He said he has heard the Paisas are beautiful and would love to make a trip to Medellin. Our hobby is definitely not an issue with USA Immigration.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a "cool" immigration officer who interviewed you. So I suppose based on your opinion that mongering is not an issue with USA immigration and if the officer who interviewed you had been a female, you would of been just as candid? Mongering and sex tourism may not be illegal, but it can raise issues. During your interview you could of have ended up with a "holy roller" officer and things may have went differently.

In addition to Global Entry, I have SENTRI and during my last interview process they went thru my tax returns, and asked me all kinds of personal questions. I was shocked by some of the questions they asked, like about my family, etc. However none of the questions were so tough that I couldn't give straight forward and logical answers short of mentioning any "hobbies".

With you having Global Entry you are aware of the expedited benefits of having it besides TSA Pre-check. I typically fly back from my overseas trips thru LAX and when they see my ticket from the Global Entry kiosk, they just wave me thru, no questions asked. So my point is, I would never do anything to jeopardize having this as I travel a lot, hence as far as any hobbies I have during an interview, "mums" the word. I am sure there are others on this board who will agree with me on this.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2423874]I will never tell the Immigration officer the true purpose of my travels, I'm not that stupid. I have learnt from my previous interactions with immigration officers. Always answer the questions of the officer never volunteer information and speak in your native language. Question: What was the purpose of your trip? Answer: Tourism. To any monger who follows the advice given by posters on this site and answers "having sex with prostitutes', you get what you deserve. Immigration officers are human and action from them varies from one to the other and sometimes on a whim. They have great power over you and at the time you have no recourse. The least that can happen to you is much inconvenience and embarrassment. The worst, your guess is as good as mine.[/QUOTE]Redefine the purpose of your visit and you can be completely open and honest without telling anyone the purpose of your visit.

It's all about perception. Obviously, you enjoy your visits, but you see (or so it appears) your visits as something that might get you into trouble. So change your perception. Instead of seeing your visit as a trip to pay girls for sex, it's a vacation. Having sex is just one of the things you do on vacation. You do other things: eat local food, sightsee (looking for girls to pay for sex), have some adventure (paying girls for sex), embrace the local culture (naked, with the girls you pay for sex), try to improve your Spanish (with girls you pay for sex). You can have sex anywhere. Paying for the sex is just a minor detail, rather than the focus.

Now you have nothing to hide.

"What was the purpose of your trip?" "Vacation. " "You take a lot of trips to Colombia. " "I love it there. " "Why do you love it?" "What's not to love? The climate is almost perfect. Everything is cheap. A hotel room that costs $100 here costs $30 there and the free breakfast is better. The people are super friendly. It's just so easy to relax there. Plus I eat better for almost nothing. Lunch with soup, salad, 2 kinds of veggies, choice of beef, chicken, pork or fish and fresh fruit juice costs $3 including the tip. It's almost cheaper than staying home. " "What about the women?" "They're beautiful."

At that point all they can do is either come out and ask if you have sex with Colombian women, or change the subject. You've been honest, you haven't tried to hide anything and you've answered every question. Are they likely to ask an uncomfortable question? If they do, give an honest answer that makes them more uncomfortable. Remember, nothing about what you did with women in Colombia pertains to their job.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2423918]I agree w Mr Ent.

If you like P Lleras and that scene, and those girls there, you most likely won't like Botero.

Go out to Botero and take a look though, there are all shapes and sizes out there.
More of an afternoon to dusk type endeavor and definitely dont expect a P Lleras atmosphere at all.
Keep an eye on your stuff, your pockets, dont flash your phone, wallet, etc.
Doesnt matter how big you are, they just hit quick and run.
Theyre (the lurking thieves) arent there to fight you, just looking for a quick grab and run.

I personally like Botero, but others are definitely better suited by the insulated P Lleras / el Poblado scene.

I cant stand when those Lleras chicas approach and say Hola, fuky fuky, sucky, sucky.
Im not into the chicas whove been w lots of gringos.
I have nothing against gringos, Im one as well, Lol.

The girls normally get spoiled and ruined though.
Not my thing.

I like and Im good at the hunt for unspoiled talent.

Also, I have seen Veracruz and Mayorista girls walking Lleras.

Quite a few actually.

They've found where to find the quick peso from the gringo.

Definitely get on FB though.[/QUOTE]I ll check it out during the day I guess and see what's up for myself.

When creating a fake FB profile, I just use a fake name but use real pictures correct? Then start messaging girls from Medellin slowly as not to get my profile deleted? And theres no chance someone from my local area will see my profile or find out?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2423926]Responding to the post that you responded to: I for one have no need to lie to immigration. I was coming back from Tijuana and the officer asked me what I was doing there. I said fucking them hoes. He said okay have a good day.

Had I said tourism and he looked into the computer and saw that I had been there 100 times, I would look quite the fool. He would then ask well what are you seeing there that you have had to see 100 times? Do you have any souvenirs or pictures from your trip? Allow me to peruse your electronics. Not telling them the truth is what gets you in trouble; not stating you did something that is not illegal.[/QUOTE]You never cease to amaze me Mr. E, no candy coating anything. I of course would not do what you do, however Tijuana with Coauhilla and its red light district is very well known, and the officers know exactly what guys are doing down there, because I suspect a lot of them go there themselves. So I guess the question is it almost sounds as though your boasting about what your doing there when they already know, so why bother? I've crossed thru that border hundreds of times after spending a long weekend there and when I am asked the question what was I doing there, my answer is, I was hanging out, I go to Caliente, eating tacos, etc. All of it a truthful answer, and they can see on their screens how often I have been there, and they have never pulled me into secondary and gone thru my stuff.

[QUOTE=Njoean197;2423938]I ll check it out during the day I guess and see what's up for myself.

When creating a fake FB profile, I just use a fake name but use real pictures correct? Then start messaging girls from Medellin slowly as not to get my profile deleted? And theres no chance someone from my local area will see my profile or find out?[/QUOTE]You don't need anything elaborate.

Just a name and whatever photo you want, fake or not.

Put in the Settings that no one can see your friends on FB but you.

Just an avenue to make initial contact, then go to WhatsApp.

Very simple.