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[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2710234]Now we agree. I too believe you need to negotiate but I negotiate services more often than price because it's what's more important to me.[/QUOTE]I've gotten much more BBFS CIP without negotiating than with. At a cheaper rate.
I don't think I have ever been quoted less than 2000 on TF. Most the girls I chat with want 2000 or 3000ST.
The group I pursue tend to be 18 to 26, and IMHO well above average looks.
I know a few ladies in this group and have seen how many messages they get on a daily basis. Can 50 to 100 per day accross all their socials.
I think price quoted has much to do with demand for the ladies. A hot young thing will get blasted with private messages and can find plenty of guys at 2000/3000. Could do 3 guys per day if they want to, in my experience most don't want to.
I lady over 25 of nice but lets say average looks is probably only going to be able to charge street prices. 1000 to 1500ST.
[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2710325]I've gotten much more BBFS CIP without negotiating than with. At a cheaper rate.[/QUOTE]I agree, I tend to find once seeing a lady more than a few times it gets offered as a standard service.
After seeing a lady a few times the standard reply for any kinky request is "up to you".
[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2709792]Mr E I Live in Bangkok and visit Pattaya often. You are not getting special pricing you are selecting different ladies. If you want I'll prove it by selecting the ladies and getting their price and then ask you to get a price from the exact same lady. Simple test.[/QUOTE]If you contact a girl first and she says "1500" then Mr. E contacts her after that and she says "1000" how will you know for sure the reason she lowered her asking price for him wasn't because she couldn't close a deal at 1500 with you? LOL.
Or how about between your call and his call the girl got a message from her landlord that if she doesn't pay the 1000 baht she still owes for April's rent by Noon tomorrow she's out on the street?
Too many variables to conclude much with only a difference of 500 baht.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2710377]If you contact a girl first and she says "1500" then Mr. E contacts her after that and she says "1000" how will you know for sure the reason she lowered her asking price for him wasn't because she couldn't close a deal at 1500 with you? LOL.
Or how about between your call and his call the girl got a message from her landlord that if she doesn't pay the 1000 baht she still owes for April's rent by Noon tomorrow she's out on the street?
Too many variables to conclude much with only a difference of 500 baht.[/QUOTE]All of that is beside the point. His argument was that two guys could not get the same girl for two different prices. He saw it as the chick would be lowering the price for me, which was not possible. I saw it as the chick would be jacking the price up for him. Could that at all happen?
Calm Down you price police.
No 500 baht beach road girl is going to Walking Street and getting 1,000 baht.
Only way she gets 1,000 is Walking Street Sudan or Inner Sahara desert.
[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2710325]I've gotten much more BBFS CIP without negotiating than with. At a cheaper rate.[/QUOTE]Why would you assume that BBFS is what I am negotiating for? There are several services which can be negociated.
[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2710328]I agree, I tend to find once seeing a lady more than a few times it gets offered as a standard service.
After seeing a lady a few times the standard reply for any kinky request is "up to you".[/QUOTE]I agree that service sometimes improves with multiple meetings, however I no longer waste my time or money seeing a lady a few times in order to receive the services I want.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2710166]Well I hope this is enough proof that this is not about different girls and the same lady will go for different amounts. This chick originally told me short time 1200. I told her long time 1200. She said she only does short time and charges from 1000 to 1500. I told her okay. I will do short time for 1000.
So it is very possible and probable that this same chick has told another monger like Mogwai 1500. It is true there is no special pricing; you pay what you negotiate. And if you are beyond negotiating then you pay what you are told.[/QUOTE]It's very well possible that she told me short time 1500. But then I would have tried to negotiate BBFS for that price.
It's also possible that she told another monger 2000, or only 1000, because (like you said before) girls have their preferences too.
[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2710325]I've gotten much more BBFS CIP without negotiating than with. At a cheaper rate.[/QUOTE]Me also, in the long and distant past, but the disadvantage of not negotiating it beforehand is, that it's not sure that you get it. And nowadays I need to be sure, because with a condom I can either not keep it stiff anymore, or I cannot cum, or both.
So for me it would be a waste of time and money, and also be very frustrating, if the girl I choose does not want BBFS (I can live without CIP), and I have to look for another girl.
[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2710687]Why would you assume that BBFS is what I am negotiating for? There are several services which can be negociated.[/QUOTE]I'm interested in learning what Houston and Enternational learn from their experiment. But, I'm a scientific guy and hope you can develop a more-or-less balanced experiment. I would suggest that you pick 4 TF girls, 2 approached by Houston first followed by Enternational, and 2 approached by Enternational first followed by Houston. Agree on same services that will be requested (e.g., 2 hours in your room, DFK, BBBJ, CFS).
This will give an almost fair test of prices received based on your text, pictures, ages and whatever else is important to these girls.
When I see how many people want to practice BBFS, I'm happy to put on a condom every time.
You people go to thailand to fuck?
Or do conduct experiments like scientists?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2710435]All of that is beside the point. His argument was that two guys could not get the same girl for two different prices. He saw it as the chick would be lowering the price for me, which was not possible. I saw it as the chick would be jacking the price up for him. Could that at all happen?[/QUOTE]Well, then I guess it's possible that the reason an online freelancer first says "1500" to one potential customer and "1,000" to another is because, as you suggest, the first guy "looks rich" and the next one "looks poor. ".
But I am inclined to think it can be for a multitude of other reasons including her immediate new and more urgent need to close a deal with somebody for something, almost anything, a series of refusals for 1500 or even the location of each punter.
Some of these girls are like taxi drivers. If the location you want them to go takes them out to the edge of town where their chances of getting another fare quick and easy is nil, they might not even agree to take you or they'll quote some ridiculous off-meter rate. But if it takes them to the center of action where they know the place is loaded with potential fares then they are into it, flip the flag and don't even try to circle the block unnecessarily to jack up the rate.
Among others.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2709301]I'm here in Pattaya for one week now. The usual asking price of the girls in TF is 1500 for ST, sometimes 1200 or 1300. So I suppose it's very well possible to negotiate 1000 or 1200. I don't do that. I'm always trying to get BBFS for 1500 maximum, and I usually succeed (with the girls that want to give this service anyway).
All of the girls I had so far were below 30, ranging from 19 to 28, good looking (IMO anyway), and slim or with a little bit baby fat. With the exception of two girls. One girl was much fatter than in her pictures (in November last year I also fell in her trap, damn), and one girl was 31 (but lovely, and she has no kids).
When we have agreed on 1500, I usually do not give them a tip or transportation money.
It's a buyers market at the moment. I'm in my late fifties and pre-Covid it could be rather difficult to find nice girls below 30 yo in TF who were interested in me, but now I'm getting likes and messages from them. Not an awful lot, but many more than pre-Covid.
Another method that works for me, is simply sending messages to every girl that I like (also the young and / or hot looking ones), including my Line ID. The majority of them doesn't even read my message, some of them give me a polite but short reply and do not reply anymore when I respond to that, and a few of them give a positive response which sometimes leads to a ST (if they want to do BBFS).
All of the above applies to Pattaya only, by the way. In Bangkok it was much more difficult! There are simply way more girls in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Where do you negotiate from? Pattaya streets or Thai friendly.
[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2710833]You people go to thailand to fuck?
Or do conduct experiments like scientists?[/QUOTE]We live here.