Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2708234]Sorry, I do not mean to turn this into a STD discussion, but am really curious and would love to get everyone's opinion on this (And yes I know we are not doctors), but anyway: what are the odds of getting HIV for a guy fucking a HIV confirmed woman without protection with vaginal sex?[/QUOTE]One study says 1 in 2500. That's if the woman has HIV. I think the likelihood of that amongst my girls is vanishingly low. But For the sake of argument say 1 in 1000. Then the odds are 1 in 2. 5 million.

This makes sense right. I think even 1 in 2500 is overstated. You can't get it from skin to skin contact. The likelihood of some fluid making its way all the way back up your urethra seems nearly impossible. So I think you would need an open wound or some such. That's just my layman's POV.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2708276]One study says 1 in 2500. That's if the woman has HIV. I think the likelihood of that amongst my girls is vanishingly low. But For the sake of argument say 1 in 1000. Then the odds are 1 in 2. 5 million.

This makes sense right. I think even 1 in 2500 is overstated. You can't get it from skin to skin contact. The likelihood of some fluid making its way all the way back up your urethra seems nearly impossible. So I think you would need an open wound or some such. That's just my layman's POV.[/QUOTE]I believe your assessment of catching HIV from unprotected vaginal sex is accurate.

I haven't checked the CDC web page in awhile. As recently as a few years ago, they were considering it a common risk in order to scare people into using condoms. That's my opinion.

Studies have proven out that the risk is negligible.

BloodRed don't apologize for being his topic. It's an occupational hazard in our line of work and we to share intel to minimize risk and maximize productivity. Heheh.

Yeah HIV is actually hard to get like Steve said. At the risk of being graphic it's more common among gays because there's more breaking of flesh in their line of work.

Your bigger risks are the ones that are bad but treatable, or not as bad but incurable. Those are the ones I personally put on the jimmy for. I want my Johnson coming home in the same condition I brought it on my little excursions. So far so good though I know there's always that chance. But we take whatever precautions we each deem prudent and practical, even if our opinions differ somewhat on what those precautions should be.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2708276]One study says 1 in 2500. That's if the woman has HIV. I think the likelihood of that amongst my girls is vanishingly low. But For the sake of argument say 1 in 1000. Then the odds are 1 in 2. 5 million.

This makes sense right. I think even 1 in 2500 is overstated. You can't get it from skin to skin contact. The likelihood of some fluid making its way all the way back up your urethra seems nearly impossible. So I think you would need an open wound or some such. That's just my layman's POV.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2708251]TF, Cancun is more expensive than CDMX which is more expensive than Guadalajara. Cancun has hot women but outside of some studios and the website milerotics, it is USA prices for women. Guadalajara has better P4P options than CDMX, strip clubs, and cheaper hotel rooms. That said, I struck out on SA there. Also, Guadalajara has IMO the hottest women in Mexico but the hotties I saw at the malls and supermarkets did not seem to be available for P4P. I did not stay for long but it would have been an interesting city to network. Also, Puerto Vallarta, which has its own hot P4P scene, is like a 4 hour bus ride away. I had a suite at the FCH hotel for like $60 a night and it was no problem bringing women in.

DC, you are right. There are no strip clubs in Mexico City but there is one sex club with women. For P4P I used laboutiquevip, Twitter, and blog de Busti. As for hotels, you can get Bogota like prices and quality if you stay in Santa Fe, but a lot of women will not travel to you there. My favorite hotel is Barcelo in the Reforma area, and it is less than $100 a night. Look at Barcelo Reforma. IMO it is 5 star, but they have had a varied policy on guests. Precovid, it was no issue with guests. If you do a prolonged stay, maybe you can get a discount.

The real issue with CDMX are the costs of entertaining. Restaurants can be an arm and a leg, and a lot of Mexican men use seeking and have money so you are competing with them. The top women are going to want more and expect to be entertained at least at first. If you are not going for the 10 types though, you can find very attractive women at Bogota prices.[/QUOTE]Totally correct, I liked GDL, but I also totally struck out there. Strip Clubs are nice, but expensive, GDL is super cheap minus the flight. I think a lot of the High End single girls in GDL, travel to Beaches, CDMX and Tijuana frequently. Before Covid there was a lot of international money and tourist in GDL, so that might be a factor as well, but I had trouble meeting high head girls in GDL. I was just in Tijuana and met 2 super hot girls from GDL, but when I was traveling there frequently that was not the case, honestly it was kind of hard there. MTY, CDMX and Tijuana are better. For life maybe GDL, but it is a really slow pace of life there.

In CDMX I order soup at the Restaurants and drink at home before I go, to keep costs down, Hell I am even thinking about taking my own alcohol in. That being said just amazing experience, but I think a lot of the High Rollers funds will be drying up soon, with economies in decline, so things might get a little cheaper.

If I had the time, I might try the beach, but I prefer the cities, much less competition.

Just googled it up and saw some studies supporting this.

I had always thought "I have unprotected sex with HIV +ve person, I get it. For sure".

How ignorant of me!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2708276]One study says 1 in 2500. That's if the woman has HIV. I think the likelihood of that amongst my girls is vanishingly low. But For the sake of argument say 1 in 1000. Then the odds are 1 in 2. 5 million.

This makes sense right. I think even 1 in 2500 is overstated. You can't get it from skin to skin contact. The likelihood of some fluid making its way all the way back up your urethra seems nearly impossible. So I think you would need an open wound or some such. That's just my layman's POV.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2708634]Just googled it up and saw some studies supporting this.

I had always thought "I have unprotected sex with HIV +ve person, I get it. For sure".[/QUOTE]Your dick skin has pores, that means it is porous. HIV goes into skin pores and you get it. Enters thru scratches, cuts, nicks from shaving pubic hair.

I've had some good success with seeking here in my home town in the past few weeks. Usually when I've joined seeking I send messages to everyone vaguely suitable in my area. This time I have sent limited messages just enough to have a good number of meet and greets and hookups. I have a few potentials on the hook and that is going well.

I got busy with a few girls and lost some focus on a few girls that seem nice. Conversation was good, we both just lost the connection. I got busy getting a morning BJ from my breakfast meet and greet. The other SB potentials are probably busy with my competing SDs.

Also to summarize a couple of good strategies that are working:

When she asks, what's on offer, PPM etc. Taking it off seeking to WhatsApp, and then not discussing until the meet and greet.

When she asks what Am I expected in an arrangement?. Turning it around and saying, its more polite if I ask you what you are expecting. I don't comment on it, then get them for a meet and greet.

What is a good come back line to re-open my stalled conversations? A way to let them know to message me when they have stopped fucking the other SDs.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2708318]BloodRed don't apologize for being his topic. It's an occupational hazard in our line of work and we to share intel to minimize risk and maximize productivity. Heheh.

Yeah HIV is actually hard to get like Steve said. At the risk of being graphic it's more common among gays because there's more breaking of flesh in their line of work.

Your bigger risks are the ones that are bad but treatable, or not as bad but incurable. Those are the ones I personally put on the jimmy for. I want my Johnson coming home in the same condition I brought it on my little excursions. So far so good though I know there's always that chance. But we take whatever precautions we each deem prudent and practical, even if our opinions differ somewhat on what those precautions should be.[/QUOTE]While the risk of getting HIV from an HIV infected individual through unprotected vaginal sex is immensely low only if that person manages their HIV with medication and has an undetectable viral count, there are several conditions that will significantly increase the risk of HIV transmission from an HIV infected individual.

First and foremost, unprotected anal sex is the highest cause of HIV transmission. In other words the risk is immensely high (and I wouldn't personally partake in this).

In vaginal sex, however, if the female has HIV and either doesn't know it, and or doesn't manage it and has an immensely high viral load then the risk is 10 times higher.

In vaginal sex, if the women has a secondary STI, such as gonorrhea or chlamydia or other venereal disease, concomitant with HIV then the risk of HIV infection increases almost 100 fold (assuming she has a detectable viral load).

So there is a risk, and it does depend on the female as to whether or not she is aware she is HIV infected and if she is managing her viral load by adhering to medication. Also if she has multiple partners she BBFS, then there is a chance she might have a secondary infection which immensely increases the risk of transmission.

It all depends on your risk tolerance and risk mitigation.

So this trip is going great and I will be back either Saturday or Sunday. I have been Video Chatting before all me meetings, makes a big difference. So I had a great morning session, with a girl I met from previous trips. Very good looking I had a lunch meeting, I was really excited about from her pictures, but I ran out of time to Video Chat, her pictures were amazing so I was not worried. I have a great apartment, but Uber has trouble finding it on the GPS, so I ask her to meet me at a nearby Grocery store, none of the other girls had a problem, but she did. She keeps texting me, and complaining, finally she agrees, but I am little frustrated. I show up, Holly Shit she is at least 6 months pregnant. Hell no, I say nice meeting you and Goodbye. It has been a great trip, so much fun and I am meeting great girls and having amazing sex.

As I thought, I did not Text the model for a week and I get a birthday message. Looks like we will meet again, but she is not top on my priority list, there are so many Hot Chicks in CDMX, but there is no middle ground. MTY I had an issue with the Parents especially the mom's here it is the stupid dogs. All the girls have dogs and it just creates more drama, but they do not realize this.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2708645]Your dick skin has pores, that means it is porous. HIV goes into skin pores and you get it. Enters thru scratches, cuts, nicks from shaving pubic hair.[/QUOTE]HIV cannot be transmitted thru unbroken skin. That pores stuff is utter nonsense. Look it up.

Everyone has his own strategy. But I can't imagine not talking about what my expectations are before the meet up. I would not want to waste my time. You see how many girls on SA say they aren't looking for intimacy, or not right away? Hell naw. I say right up front that my expectation is dinner and a few hours at my place after. I think it's clear I don't mean Netflix. I've never once regretted being direct. It's always paid off. Even when the girl says she's looking for something else, great thanks for not wasting either of our time.

To that other dude who showed up to the girl who was 6 months pregnant, damn dawg. Sorry. That's bad on her. Not sure how she thought that was going to play out but whatever she thought she was dumb. Unless a dude had a pregnant chick fetish. Which I just do not understand and cannot relate to.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2708647]I've had some good success with seeking here in my home town in the past few weeks. Usually when I've joined seeking I send messages to everyone vaguely suitable in my area. This time I have sent limited messages just enough to have a good number of meet and greets and hookups. I have a few potentials on the hook and that is going well.

I got busy with a few girls and lost some focus on a few girls that seem nice. Conversation was good, we both just lost the connection. I got busy getting a morning BJ from my breakfast meet and greet. The other SB potentials are probably busy with my competing SDs.

Also to summarize a couple of good strategies that are working:

When she asks, what's on offer, PPM etc. Taking it off seeking to WhatsApp, and then not discussing until the meet and greet.

When she asks what Am I expected in an arrangement?. Turning it around and saying, its more polite if I ask you what you are expecting. I don't comment on it, then get them for a meet and greet.

What is a good come back line to re-open my stalled conversations? A way to let them know to message me when they have stopped fucking the other SDs.[/QUOTE]

He might have a point, Steve. We all have an aperture.

If cum can go out, virus can get in.

Just a thought. Not trying to argue here as none of us are doctors.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2708807]HIV cannot be transmitted thru unbroken skin. That pores stuff is utter nonsense. Look it up.[/QUOTE]

It's funny because I thought once I had a set of girls in the various cities I visit I'the be super happy. But here I am with girls in at least 6 cities where I can meetup on a moments notice and it will be comfortable amazing girlfriend sex. But it's killed my daily life!

I used to spend a few hours a day researching and chatting up hotties. Now I am totally smitten with my home girl. No local research needed. And literally everywhere I might go at the moment also sown up. Even my upcoming trip I wasn't so thrilled with the selection and flying Sylvia in. But that's killed the daily browsing!

It's funny. I guess a guy is never satisfied. But I find myself a bit bored having a girl in every port. LOL.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2708807]HIV cannot be transmitted thru unbroken skin. That pores stuff is utter nonsense. Look it up.[/QUOTE]That cannot be said for anything oral since gums can bleed. But saliva and stomach acid do protect against the virus.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2708807]HIV cannot be transmitted thru unbroken skin. That pores stuff is utter nonsense. Look it up.[/QUOTE]I agree with you on the pores. The end of of penis is a mucous membrane and if vaginal fluid is allowed to seep into the mucous membrane for a long enough time, transmission can occur. This is why most heterosexual transmission to men occur among married men having unprotected sex with a wife. They often roll over and go to sleep. Any washing of the penis within a reasonable period of time eliminates the risk, which modt Johns and Sugar Daddies do. Countries with relatively higher circumcising rates and more frequent showering have lower HIV rates among heterosexual married men. The seeping in period reportedly takes a long time for a penis, much longer than the vagina or the anus.