General Info

[QUOTE=Jayf1970]Thanks for the input, gentlemen. My german skills are limited (read: nonexistent), so I'm leaning towards FRA. Besides, there's always room for side trips to other cities, since I will be there for a little more than a week. This is my first real trip to germany and would appreciate if you could provide me with some more help:
- any hotel recommendations in FRA? I don't want to stay at a Motel 6, but don't need a Ritz either. Just a nice, clean hotel with broadband internet and a gym, and close to the FKK(s). I don't necessarily need to stay in the city center area, which should help in getting good hotel rates, I think.
- I got the impression from reading the forum that renting a car (with GPS) is probably the best idea. Is this correct? I drive in the U.S., but have never driven in europe; hope thats not a problem.
- which are the big 3 frankfurt FKK's you refer to? I found Palace and FKK 35 on the forum, but couldn't find the third one listed under frankfurt.

Sorry for the list of basic questions. I usually do a lot of research before mongering trips, but I'm scrambling to throw together this trip at the last minute as my Bangkok trip has to be cancelled due to the political problems there and I'm moving to the 2nd destination on my list - the FKK's.

Thanks in advance and promise to post any unique experiences.[/QUOTE]

By the way, there are clubs offering events with pornostar guests. Maybe one of the fellow mongers that knows someting good coming up could inform you about it. I would really like to participate in such an event once in my "carreer"

[QUOTE=Ericklein]On the other hand, the experience that Jackyo is describing in PT Mettman sounds very interesting :D
I have to put that in my schedule!!![/QUOTE]
Hey,

Yes, get PT Mettmann on your schedule but.. do read carefully the posts so you know what to expect. There are guys who are addicted to PT Mettmann and then there are guys who visit and are disappointed.

One thing for sure: you won't be indifferent about it.

(s)exploring bavaria.

having moved 'back home' to munich a few months ago (after 15 years away), i thought i'd post some comments on the scene here.

munich is a wonderful city with lots of interesting people, cultural events and beautiful countryside around it but – as readers familiar with germany know – it is not ideal for p4p.

bavaria has stricter laws than other german länder (states). all of munich's center is inside the 'sperrbezirk' (restricted zone), that is, no prostitution is allowed inside the zone. there are actually 27 such zones in munich overall – i looked up the law on the web – and they cover pretty much every part of town.

clubs around central station advertise lap-dances etc. but no p4p. it may be possible to make private arrangements with the dancers, but be advised that you'd be on shaky ground legally. anyway, these clubs in town are expensive (people tell me 15-20 € per drink) and whether the shows are good or not – i can't say as i've never been there. not my thing.

btw, there is a famous song about this topic by a group called 'spider murphy gang' (a bavarian hard-rock band in the 80s). they have two hits that are evergreens in germany, one of which is 'skandal i'm sperrbezirk' (scandal in the zone), dealing with a cathouse inside the zone. the other song is 'schickeria', a parody of the 'rich & beautiful people'.

back to topic. apartments

there are several websites – check out [url]http://nightlife-munich. de/erotic. htm[/url], with about 10 sites. best are [url]www.rotelaterne. de/frontend/[/url] and [url]www.bavarialadies. de/[/url]. many ladies advertise there, but they're all in apartments.

i did check out some of these places – the good thing is that they have pictures on the doors to help you decide before you ring. the first two places i went to, they asked 100 € for 30 min, 200 € for the hour. i politely declined and left. the third place was at machtlingerstrasse 12 (south-west of town, next to subway-station 'machtlfinger str. '), the girl asked me 'how much do you have? ', i was surprised, mumbled something about 50 €, she said, ok 20 minutes. half hour would be 70 €. in the end i didn't go with her, but these were more reasonable rates. as i ended up doing nothing in any of these places i can't tell you about service. but i seriously doubt it is up to club-standard. overall the atmosphere in these places is little better than in 'laufhaus', so this scene is not for me.

clubs

some clubs in munich such as südfaß oase ([url]www.fkkmuenchen. de[/url]), fkk relax ([url]www.fkk-relax. de/[/url]) and fkk palazzo ([url]www.fkk-palazzo. de/[/url]). i haven't been to any of them, so cannot give any information. entry is 60 €, with 60-70 € per half hour. a good alternative is colosseum in augsburg (60km away, [url]www.colosseum-augsburg. de/[/url]). not as good the frankfurt big three or golden triangle near düsseldorf, but ok. i have been there once about a year ago and it was good. not great, but good.

i did however check out a new club last month.

location

it's called hawaii ([url]www.fkk-hawaii. de/[/url]) and it's located close to the highway at ingolstadt. about 80 km north of munich, ingolstadt is halfway between munich and nürnberg, it has lots of oil refineries and of course audi (as part of volkswagen) is based there.

the club is easy to find – from munich take the a-9 highway, direction nürnberg/berlin. exit at 'ingolstadt süd (south)', then turn left, then the third street to the right. it's a new club, opened in october. located in industrial park (companies, gas stations, fast food etc.). parking lot in front of the club. open 2pm to 2am, friday & saturday until 4am.

facilities

you enter the building and find yourself in a reception area where after paying 65 € you are given your key, shoes (they ask for your size) and towel. you proceed to the locker/shower area. showers, bathrooms are very clean – the cleaning crew is busy all the time. unlike in some other clubs, the lockers are quite big, which is good for me as i often have a backpack or laptop with me that i don't like to leave in the car. the main area is a large club room, with small tables & sofas rep001tered around. a dance-pole in the middle and, not surprising, a hawaii theme with tropical tress etc. a long bar with bar stools in the back.

the place seems to have been a storage hall/hangar before, the kind that are used at trade fairs. the whirlpool is small but with very hot water. they have a garden too, but it was not in use. so facilities are nice, clean and practical.

food & drink

all non-alcoholic drinks free (as usual), but you can also get beer at 4 € a bottle. food was pretty good, not top notch, but better than most other clubs in germany i've been to. large selection – two kinds of pasta, two choices of meat, plus fish, vegetables, several salads, fruit, cheeses, dessert etc. extras dinner tables separated from the bar area by a curtain. large tv screen.

girls

about 20 girls around, but it was a slow night (in the middle of the week). i was told on weekends more customers and thus more girls. mostly eastern europeans plus some germans. lineup was ok. pricing is the standard 50€ for half an hour, 100 € for an hour.

session

one session. while eating dinner i spotted dark-skinned girl sitting at the far end of my table chatting with another guy. they are talking about. brasilj. very nice, i'd initially pegged her as carribean. anyway, later we chat, some small talk about her country, her city etc. she's not pushy at all, so that's a good sign. i tend to go with my instincts – if i don't 'connect' with a girl in the bar, i won't go with her. but with her everything was good, so off we went.

and in the room i was not disappointed – she was like a tiger (tigeress? ), but in the good sensej very nice session. left after one hour with a big smile on my face.

so the place is a decent substitute if frankfurt is too far away. not on same level i would say, but on par with colosseum in augsburg mentioned above.

suerte,

felipe

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A bit off topic but somewhat relevant:

[url]http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,594848,00.html[/url]

[i]Fazit[/i]: City authorities have plans to reduce the number of mini-brothels and coffee shops in Amsterdam.

These displaced women will have to find work somewhere. Where might that be?

Will this mean more Dutch and tourists visiting the [i]Grenzgebietclubs[/i]?

2008 Trip Summary

By the end of 2008 this is my summary of trips made and the split between Hessen, Berlin and Nord Rhein Westfalen (NRW) clubs:

I made a total of 28 separate trips to Germany split between the regions as:

Hessen - 17 Trips
NRW - 10 Trips
Berlin - 1 Trip

Total: 28 trips

I had to cancel 4 trips due to personal commitments (one time), I forgot my passport and did not have time to retrieve it (one time), or I did not get feel like going so I did not go (two times). All four trips missed were to NRW so if I did take them then I would have notched up 14 trips to NRW and 32 trips in total.

In total number of days the split by region is:

Hessen: 46 days of FKK
NRW: 28 days of Sauna clubs
Berlin: 4 days of FKK

Total: 78 days of FKKs and Sauna clubs

As a percentage of 2008 it seems I have spent 21% of my year in the various clubs being 78/366 days as 2008 is a leap year. This is one fifth of my time in 2008!!!

The four trips I missed would have added in another 8 more days making up to 86 days in total but these do not really count, but I did pay for the hotel, flights and car hire to make those trips work.

As the numbers reveal there is a preference for the Hessen FKKs over the NRW sauna clubs regardless that the pricing is more moderate in the NRW sauna clubs and I do like spending time with the lasses there. The tendency for Hessen FKKs is determined by the presence of more of my favourites in that area and particularly focussed on FKK Oase.

I write this as a sobering thought as to what is possible and perhaps moderation should be the order of the day. Then again I have enjoyed my time and wish it to continue further for many years to come.

In conclusion I need to plant a lot of trees in recompense for the massive carbon footprint that I have incurred.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]2008 Trip Summary

By the end of 2008 this is my summary of trips made and the split between Hessen, Berlin and Nord Rhein Westfalen (NRW) clubs:

I made a total of 28 separate trips to Germany split between the regions as:

Hessen - 17 Trips
NRW - 10 Trips
Berlin - 1 Trip

Total: 28 trips

I had to cancel 4 trips due to personal commitments (one time), I forgot my passport and did not have time to retrieve it (one time), or I did not get feel like going so I did not go (two times). All four trips missed were to NRW so if I did take them then I would have notched up 14 trips to NRW and 32 trips in total.

In total number of days the split by region is:

Hessen: 46 days of FKK
NRW: 28 days of Sauna clubs
Berlin: 4 days of FKK

Total: 78 days of FKKs and Sauna clubs

As a percentage of 2008 it seems I have spent 21% of my year in the various clubs being 78/366 days as 2008 is a leap year. This is one fifth of my time in 2008!!!

The four trips I missed would have added in another 8 more days making up to 86 days in total but these do not really count, but I did pay for the hotel, flights and car hire to make those trips work.

As the numbers reveal there is a preference for the Hessen FKKs over the NRW sauna clubs regardless that the pricing is more moderate in the NRW sauna clubs and I do like spending time with the lasses there. The tendency for Hessen FKKs is determined by the presence of more of my favourites in that area and particularly focussed on FKK Oase.

I write this as a sobering thought as to what is possible and perhaps moderation should be the order of the day. Then again I have enjoyed my time and wish it to continue further for many years to come.

In conclusion I need to plant a lot of trees in recompense for the massive carbon footprint that I have incurred.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]

Lbc, you forgot to include time dedicated to R&D, ie time spent reading and writing around here (and some other places, as well)...

I hear your plea - Oh Lord, make me moderate...only not just yet, of course ;-))

NYimes article on economy and its affect on prostitution.


[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/world/europe/09czechsex.html[/url]

[QUOTE=] In Reno, Nev., the famed Mustang Ranch recently laid off 30 percent of its staff, citing a decline in high-spending clients.[/QUOTE]

Try explaining this to the unemployment office ;-)

[QUOTE=Akibono]NYimes article on economy and its affect on prostitution.


[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/world/europe/09czechsex.html[/url][/QUOTE]


There was a somewhat interesting thread on this topic on the Roemerforum. According to some of those guys, they have spoken with some FKK girls (the infamous Mia from World was one) and many are lamenting that male club traffic is noticeably down. Several male regulars who use to be club fixtures have been seldom or not at all seen since the financial crisis. Many that do visit are only opting for 50 EUR session.

My understanding from some girls is that tourist traffic is also off quite a bit. Not surprising really.

It is however interesting to read about the service standards (both opinions and experiences) in the Palace and GT threads. Makes one scratch one's head a bit.

More and more, guys are talking less about house prices and more about the FKK girls working "selbständig" (as self-employed) and how they can set the price that they want.

Technically this may be true, but there are many factors to consider. There is a house price that is usually (but not always) supported by the management. In this economic climate, I wonder about providers who so blatantly buck the standard prices without good reason.

All clubs are getting hard hit nowadays. I would think that in these times, the buyer with the cash is in a good position. Girls may complain about the 50 EUR sessions, but I doubt that they would walk away from them. At GT, I have a strong feeling that even those 100/60 girls would agree to 75/60 rather than sit around for hours waiting for the next customer.

One board contributor once called my observations "grassy knolly" when I reported about a conclusionary effort on the part of many Palace girls to set an internal service standard and price structure that would insure longer sessions and extras. In addition to this, "extra" extras would be sold such as kissing and GFE. Said board contributor ignored me when I mentioned that a number of Palace girls (current and former) told me this themselves.

I'm not for boycotting any place and I don't usually call for them. But I would suggest that club visitors be firm about sticking to the house prices. I have no problems with extended sessions and paying for legitimate extras. But I think that tipping and succumbing to paying for "extras" such as kissing, GFE, sex in the kino or any other open area, etc. is bad for the overall price structure and bad for service standards.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[QUOTE=Dedalus]to paying for "extras" such as kissing, GFE, sex in the kino or any other open area, etc. is bad for the overall price structure and bad for service standards.[/QUOTE]

Just to keep the facts: The described practices are NO EXTRAS so there's NO PAYING for it.

HB

[QUOTE=Dedalus]There was a somewhat interesting thread on this topic on the Roemerforum. According to some of those guys, they have spoken with some FKK girls (the infamous Mia from World was one) and many are lamenting that male club traffic is noticeably down. Several male regulars who use to be club fixtures have been seldom or not at all seen since the financial crisis.[/QUOTE]I am hearing this from more and more girls. And I'm gradually beginning to believe it is not just the traditional moaning (EVERY season is bad for wine producers .....). I know of several guys who have financed their poon at the clubs for years on the stock and property markets. They did not get out, and are well down this year, especially if they did it on credit ("auf Pump"). One guy told me it was even more expensive than divorce... and what was worse he still had his wife!

[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]2008 Trip Summary

By the end of 2008 this is my summary of trips made and the split between Hessen, Berlin and Nord Rhein Westfalen (NRW) clubs:

I made a total of 28 separate trips to Germany split between the regions as:

Hessen - 17 Trips
NRW - 10 Trips
Berlin - 1 Trip

Total: 28 trips

I had to cancel 4 trips due to personal commitments (one time), I forgot my passport and did not have time to retrieve it (one time), or I did not get feel like going so I did not go (two times). All four trips missed were to NRW so if I did take them then I would have notched up 14 trips to NRW and 32 trips in total.

In total number of days the split by region is:

Hessen: 46 days of FKK
NRW: 28 days of Sauna clubs
Berlin: 4 days of FKK

Total: 78 days of FKKs and Sauna clubs

As a percentage of 2008 it seems I have spent 21% of my year in the various clubs being 78/366 days as 2008 is a leap year. This is one fifth of my time in 2008!!!

The four trips I missed would have added in another 8 more days making up to 86 days in total but these do not really count, but I did pay for the hotel, flights and car hire to make those trips work.

As the numbers reveal there is a preference for the Hessen FKKs over the NRW sauna clubs regardless that the pricing is more moderate in the NRW sauna clubs and I do like spending time with the lasses there. The tendency for Hessen FKKs is determined by the presence of more of my favourites in that area and particularly focussed on FKK Oase.

I write this as a sobering thought as to what is possible and perhaps moderation should be the order of the day. Then again I have enjoyed my time and wish it to continue further for many years to come.

In conclusion I need to plant a lot of trees in recompense for the massive carbon footprint that I have incurred.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
There was a recent article in the Wall Street Journal about individuals who are keeping track of personal statistics for the year just past.

They are compiling statistics, drawing graphs, etc..

Its called something like "personal informatics".

You apparently belong to this group.

My statistics aren't anywhere near yours, unfortunately. Its a question of distance.

I do though thank my lucky stars I don't live anywhere near these clubs.

I'd be totally broke after arranging for direct funds transfers from my bank.

[QUOTE=Dedalus]
All clubs are getting hard hit nowadays. I would think that in these times, the buyer with the cash is in a good position. Girls may complain about the 50 EUR sessions, but I doubt that they would walk away from them. At GT, I have a strong feeling that even those 100/60 girls would agree to 75/60 rather than sit around for hours waiting for the next customer.

One board contributor once called my observations "grassy knolly" when I reported about a conclusionary effort on the part of many Palace girls to set an internal service standard and price structure that would insure longer sessions and extras. In addition to this, "extra" extras would be sold such as kissing and GFE. Said board contributor ignored me when I mentioned that a number of Palace girls (current and former) told me this themselves.

Cheers,

Dedalus[/QUOTE]
Wassup Deda,

I was @ GT last Friday with 3 of my Capos & all the women we sessioned with were 75/60min. I made sure to ask ahead of time before heading to the room. GT was still busy, but not as crowded as I thought it would. Felt more like a busy Thursday night which was great for us as the there were very short/no wait for rooms.

Those women are still @ Palace. Hot women like Czech Gina can usually get away with it, but she was not as busy this trip compared to Feb, June & Aug. Mostly sitting around looking hot as hell. Even my ATF Denisa said "I am lucky because she has too many clients, she now charges new clients 100 euro for 20 minutes." I almost choked on my redbull laughing so hard.

Business must be really slow for the girls as some @ Oase offered 30 min for 30 euro. Tempting, but I would not want to session with them for free.

[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Wassup Deda,

I was @ GT last Friday with 3 of my Capos & all the women we sessioned with were 75/60min. I made sure to ask ahead of time before heading to the room. GT was still busy, but not as crowded as I thought it would. Felt more like a busy Thursday night which was great for us as the there were very short/no wait for rooms.

Those women are still @ Palace. Hot women like Czech Gina can usually get away with it, but she was not as busy this trip compared to Feb, June & Aug. Mostly sitting around looking hot as hell. Even my ATF Denisa said "I am lucky because she has too many clients, she now charges new clients 100 euro for 20 minutes." I almost choked on my redbull laughing so hard.

Business must be really slow for the girls as some @ Oase offered 30 min for 30 euro. Tempting, but I would not want to session with them for free.[/QUOTE]


Hello Don Vito,

Please accept my sincere apologies for not being able to attend any meetings last week. Sounds like you had a serious blast.

Unfortunately I had to choose between this upcoming weekend and the last one. Business made last weekend tough.

I'll keep on the lookout for a few of those Oase gals selling on the cheap this weekend. Times is hard, times is hard.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Business must be really slow for the girls as some @ Oase offered 30 min for 30 euro. Tempting, but I would not want to session with them for free.[/QUOTE]


Hey, that´s a bargain. Which girls?