Angeles City

[QUOTE=Guoren]... After some fun and one pop, Dora starts to cry and says she wants to go for a drink. Ends up she makes a beeline for her home base at Foxy's and before bolting inside she starts making up a pile of shit-ass excuses as to why she was back so soon... [/QUOTE]


again the old, old story! The only way to avoid such an unpleasant situation is to have a crystal clear agreement with the cuty (eg. 'you stay at least until 8am') before one pays for the barfine. Sometimes I do even inform the mamasan about 'the deal' I have with the girl - just to avoid misunderstandings! It works perfectly! :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Bob Bowie]It looks like AC is must stop for me on the next trip. Interesting Shano's lets you bar fine the waitress. the concept that I can go to a normal bar/restaurant (I just checked out their website) order a diner and take the waitress home sounds great. It just not possible for me to grab the 20 year old Chilli's server to go.

Is this the norm in AC, that I can expect to take home the waitress? Is the bar fine more than the bar girls?[/QUOTE]

Bob, this is the norm in many bars. The waitresses (hostess?) are slightly older versions of the dancers. I barfined a waitress from Bodyshop 3 nights running, late 20's/early 30's. Looker. After the first night, we went to the mall for breakfast, and she stayed until 1pm. Over the next several days she stayed with me each day late in the afternoon until she had to run home/shower and get to work at 6pm. On the fourth night I was ready for a different dish, and told her I was not coming to the bar to fine her, that I was taking the night off. I really didn't find anything pleasing that night, and walked by the Bodyshop at 2am on my way to my hotel (swiss chalet). She was outside having a drink chatting, and we talked for a minute, I told her I was tired and on my way to bed. She said she got off in an hour, could she come by? Sure, sweetie. We nodded off together naked, woke in the morning to a wonderful session, and then out to breakfast again before I left on the bus. A freebie!!

You'll notice the waitresses have the same worker ID card on their uniform that the dancers do. Shanos pub is a restraunt though, not a regular girlie-dance bar.

[QUOTE=Guoren]After barfining a girl named Dora (real name is Jackyn) we go back to the hotel. After some fun and one pop, Dora starts to cry and says she wants to go for a drink. Ends up she makes a beeline for her home base at Foxy's and before bolting inside she starts making up a pile of shit-ass excuses as to why she was back so soon. [/QUOTE]

Guoren, I had two bad experiences with AC girls (on the same night). The previous gent is right, you need to hammer out what you expect with the girl BEFORE you agree to barfine her. This dickering is not for everyone. I normally tell the girl EXACTLY what I'm looking for, if she balks even a bit then I thank her for her time. My needs are unique. It does not matter whether I'm in Manila/Jakarta/AC/TJ, tell her what u expect. Doesn't hurt to mention it to the mamasan either (SHE SAID SHE'LL STAY TILL 11AM). Also, if you are a tipper, mention to mamasan that if the girl does good work, you'll come back and let the mamasan and girl split a tip the following evening (then do it).

Of the two girls I had bad experiences with. First was from Gecko's bar. Rosie. Young, shy. Bought her a drink, became infatuated with her looks. BF'd her and went to Crystal Palace for more drinks. I never mentioned my usual list of things, including time. Stupid me, I was also talking with mamasan before leaving Gecko's, and failed to mention it. Once in the room, the girl, very young, got nervous, and just couldn't perform. I was decent about it, we cuddled for a bit, she got nervous and couldn't calm down. She headed into the bathroom, then came out clothed and said she had to go. It had only been 30 minutes in the room, and it was 2am. I said OK, no sense trying to keep her there. She walked out and I assumed back to the bar, right around the corner. I dressed and was headed back to Gecko's to complain, and Rosie was standing in the street in front of the Swiss Chalet, just in front of the restraunt. She asked where I was going and I said to Gecko's to complain about her lack of service and leaving. She said no dont do that. I asked if she wanted to come with me, I was very calm and poised, trying not to threaten. She said no, and off I went to the bar, complained to mamasan. I didn't ask for my money, just kind of told mama what happened. Mama bought me a drink, and away I went to find another girl.

Stupid stupid me. Went to the Honey Pot and grabbed a girl named Ivy as it was 3am and closing time. Again didn't discuss specifics, BF'd her and was back in my room at 3:10. She too could not accomodate me, got huffy, and left. The bar was closed. Who to complain to when you are leaving at 10am? You just let it go, knowing you've learned the lesson of not being specific.

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You didn't give specifics, so I have to assume you require something kinky, or maybe you have a hose the size of The Zohan's hose.

As for me, I rarely discuss anything -- including money. In AC maybe not necessary anyway. I like the GFE, and bartering kind of ruins that.

I don't require bj either (but never refuse) ...and according to the Ghucher I have an undersized tool. So I guess I'm an easy customer. Oh, and the GFE / BFE seems to work well if you want pictures.

I'm not disagreeing with your strategy. Lots of guys swear by it, but as you say in your post, "dickering" isn't for everyone. Was that pun intended?

Yes, I've had some disappointments. The dynamics of dealing with other people is complex but interesting, especially when you factor in that you are going from strangers, to friends, to sex, to sharing a bed/breakfast, to saying your final goodbyes -- all within ten hours or less.

THanks for the post Rugburn. Your handle reminded me of a girl that I fkd in an empty apartment at a time when I was still paying the rent for an empty apartment after seperating from my my (at the time) wife - future ex-wife. I wonder if she still has a scar from that rugburn...I hope so.


[QUOTE=Rgbburn]Guoren, I had two bad experiences with AC girls (on the same night). The previous gent is right, you need to hammer out what you expect with the girl BEFORE you agree to barfine her. This dickering is not for everyone. .[/QUOTE]

Mates, of course AC is a shit-hole...
But thats why we all are addicted to it!

Had a cracker of a time again last week,
after my 2 weeks Christmas pilgrimage.
As I said 2 weeks is too much for me,
but 1 week is just perfectly fine.

I dont know much to report, business as usual,
if someone wants to know something particular,
just PM.

Almost every larger bar in Fields has now some event,
photo-shooting and shows here and there,
what was unthinkable of 5 years ago.

Sunshine bar is new, not bad, it's near Zapata.
You can combine with a dinner.
Walking distance from Lewis.

Hehe, there is one (smaller) bar nowadays,
I think I've had banged them all!
Except Mamasan and the (male) DJ. :D
And of course it's not Atlantis :(
Unfortunately, for that I don't have the time!

Met a great mongerer from Singapore, we had a great time
of barhopping together and good fun.

Even on the last evening I've found a gem in Santos Av,
I didn't expect this at all.

Next trip in March is finalized oredi,
will stay in Lewis Grand again,
anyone for a SMB, lets go for it!

The pic, I'm still looking for
a house maid, suggestions anyone??? :D

Cheers!

The thing about AC is...

With a pay before structure, what incentive does the girl have to perform?

When the bars do not even give your money back for lack of any performance then why should I go into a crapshoot with a girl when I am on a week or two vacation? FUCK THAT, that is some real bullshit. It frustrated me when I was there my one and only time. If there were a viable freelance option in AC then I would be more inclined to go there again. You don't want to have sex honey, well thats kool, I don't want to spend any money either, cool beans see you later...

Travelfox

We all have our own style with women but you need to remember you are paying a bargirl for her services. It is not a prom date. I recommend that you ask questions before you pay a barfine. Most girls have heard it all before so they will not be shocked with your questions.

I always ask:

0. Are you having menstration
1. Are you 18?(and check her id)
2. Are you a cherry girl(dont want any surprises)
3. Do you do blow job? Cum in mouth ok? (if that is your thing)
4. Will we boom boom more than 1 time?
5. Will you stay all night? Whay time do you have to leave?

These are the basics for me. After covering all the basics and any other concerns, both of us can then just enjoy the time together.

[QUOTE=X Man]You didn't give specifics, so I have to assume you require something kinky, or maybe you have a hose the size of The Zohan's hose.

As for me, I rarely discuss anything -- including money. In AC maybe not necessary anyway. I like the GFE, and bartering kind of ruins that.

I don't require bj either (but never refuse) ...and according to the Ghucher I have an undersized tool. So I guess I'm an easy customer. Oh, and the GFE / BFE seems to work well if you want pictures.

I'm not disagreeing with your strategy. Lots of guys swear by it, but as you say in your post, "dickering" isn't for everyone. Was that pun intended?

Yes, I've had some disappointments. The dynamics of dealing with other people is complex but interesting, especially when you factor in that you are going from strangers, to friends, to sex, to sharing a bed/breakfast, to saying your final goodbyes -- all within ten hours or less.

THanks for the post Rugburn. Your handle reminded me of a girl that I fkd in an empty apartment at a time when I was still paying the rent for an empty apartment after seperating from my my (at the time) wife - future ex-wife. I wonder if she still has a scar from that rugburn...I hope so.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.maplandia.com/philippines/region-3/pampanga/angeles/[/url]

It was interesting to zoom in and see Fields and scroll around to see the surrounding area, including Angeles City. Like most who go there, I tend just to go to the same small area.

I was particularly surprised to see all the green and how much empty countryside there is just past SM Mall.

By the way, I'll be in AC from 7 - 28 Feb if anyone else is around then. Anyone like tennis?

Anybody have any thoughts on how clean the water is at the local swimming pools, the ones used by the locals? With so many kids using those pools (doing the sort of thing kids do in pools!) and the obvious local hygiene practices, I'd be a bit doubtful about swimming in them.

I remember also meeting one guy at a nice hotel in AC who said he got a bad ear infection from the hotel pool. Pretty scary when u know u have to fly back home. I once flew on a plane with a very bad cold and my ears were really killing me and I couldn't hear for a couple of days after.

Enjoy

Wed Feb 4, 10:51 am ET

Black Eyed Peas Brother Murdered(E! Online)

Los Angeles (E! Online) – Apl's in mourning.

The brother of Black Eyes Peas mastermind apl.de.ap, otherwise known as Allan Pineda Lindo, was gunned down in the northern Philippine town of Porac, Pampanga.

Joven Pineda Deala was the youngest and purportedly favorite brother of apl, who was born in the Philippines and grew up in the barrio before he was adopted by an American and moved to the United States, where he eventually formed the Peas with will.i.am.

Per the Philippines Inquirer, Deala, 21, was sitting in his car outside his girlfriend's home at approximately 1 a.m. Tuesday when he was shot in the head by an unidentified gunman.

Police are still searching for a suspect and do not yet have a motive for the killing, though various media outlets have reported the murder may have been the result of a love triangle.

Apl, 34, is expected to fly to the Philippines to attend his sibling's wake and burial.

[quote=travel fox]the thing about ac is...

with a pay before structure, what incentive does the girl have to perform?

when the bars do not even give your money back for lack of any performance then why should i go into a crapshoot with a girl when i am on a week or two vacation? fuck that, that is some real bullshit. it frustrated me when i was there my one and only time. if there were a viable freelance option in ac then i would be more inclined to go there again. you don't want to have sex honey, well thats kool, i don't want to spend any money either, cool beans see you later...

travelfox[/quote]

funny that.

the girls understand a few things very well. first, they understand what you look like and how you carry yourself. they understand if they give you gfe they can get gifts, they can get large tips, etc. they understand whether they wan't to be with you or not.

even a bad girl in ac is better than most other places good girls. and, at 31 bucks a pop, you can take two or three and kick out the bad ones, and still be money ahead.

i don't understand your gripe. i just got back and had a blast, had orgies, had gfes, had short times and long times. i can't complain about one of them in any manner that wouldn't just sound like sour grapes.

i just went to bangkok, pattaya, indonesia, and the phillipines. ac has the best girls by a wide margin. this has always been so.

maybe the problem isn't ac.

[QUOTE=WestFLA]Funny that.

Even a bad girl in AC is better than most other places good girls. And, at 31 bucks a pop, you can take two or three and kick out the bad ones, and still be money ahead.

Maybe the problem isn't AC.[/QUOTE]

I think the thing to note is that AC (and the Phils generally) is not really the best place for 'point and fuck' type experiences. (It can be found obviously, but not really good imo).

If I want a GFE I go to PI. Whenever I want P&F though I agree with Travel Fox that AC is not the best place since you have to trawl through a lot of ladies who prefer to provide the GFE - since that is their fantasy too.

[QUOTE=WestFLA]And, at 31 bucks a pop, [/quote]
It's 31 bucks a barfine.
Per pop it's even less.... :D
[quote]
I just got back and had a blast, had orgies, had GFEs, had short times and long times. [/QUOTE]
Can confirm!!! Had same same, but different girls. :D :p

Cheers

[QUOTE=Bob Bowie]It looks like AC is must stop for me on the next trip. Interesting Shano's lets you bar fine the waitress. the concept that I can go to a normal bar/restaurant (I just checked out their website) order a diner and take the waitress home sounds great. It just not possible for me to grab the 20 year old Chilli's server to go.

Is this the norm in AC, that I can expect to take home the waitress? Is the bar fine more than the bar girls?[/QUOTE]The bar fine is pretty much the standard rates for Fields Ave (1300-1500 peso). Most of the bartenders are off limits. You can take them but they are pretty much only available as tour guides or for bar hopping. That is not to say that if you are willing to lay a little game you cannot get one into the sack, but it is not your normal P4P. I am pretty sure all the door girls and waitresses are on the menu. Like most any bar the girl can say no, don't get pissed, just move on. I BF'd a door girl for three days straight last year and it was the best sex of my life. Just remember, as it has been said time and again in this forum, discuss what you want upfront. If you do not, you have no one to be mad at but yourself.

Although I rarely discuss money or sex specifics, I have asked number 2 (in a joking way) and number 5.

As for the questions about age/cherry/mens, they would be more necessary with a freelancer than a gal in the bar, IMO.

I also bail out pretty quick if I pick up bad vibes. I don't think there is any fullproof method of avoiding problems, but usually I don't have any problems.

As someone else mentioned, if you act decent and treat the people around you decently, they'll warm up to you pretty quick.

I was in a Santos Ave bar one afternoon and a rather obnoxious lout was slapping the arse of every gal that got near him. I mean really giving them a wallop. He wasn't liked very well.

X

[QUOTE=AsianLover2]We all have our own style with women but you need to remember you are paying a bargirl for her services. It is not a prom date. I recommend that you ask questions before you pay a barfine. Most girls have heard it all before so they will not be shocked with your questions.

I always ask:

0. Are you having menstration
1. Are you 18?(and check her id)
2. Are you a cherry girl(dont want any surprises)
3. Do you do blow job? Cum in mouth ok? (if that is your thing)
4. Will we boom boom more than 1 time?
5. Will you stay all night? Whay time do you have to leave?

[/QUOTE]