Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1883292]I can only last 3 days in thailand I am calling it quits and going home.[/QUOTE]I find this to be the highlight of your report, at least the one I've appreciated more. Don't slam the door on your ass.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1883292] In my opinion the coyote are better than FKK girls but you cannot have sex with them and they don't do anal. At an FKK you have gorgeous girls who will let you do anything you want normally and none of this Bangkok bullshit but it is a bit more expensive.[/QUOTE]Everybody here told you to avoid coyote girls and you can find a cute and pretty girl LT for 2/3/4000 baht LT. I honestly do not understand the sense to spend 9000 baht and then treat her like shit.

In Frankfurt FKK you can fuck girl in the ass for 150 euro for 30 minute only (160 euro in Artemis), in Thailand I can fuck girl in the ass for hours with only 30/50 euro especially in Pattaya. I go often in the FKK and other german venues for weekend but anal sex in FKK is overpriced.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1883292]Also, be careful of freelance bar girls, they might be cute but I have heard that up to 40% of the have HIV.[/QUOTE]Bullshit!

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1883292]Those tuk tuk drivers need to be kicked off the roads. [/QUOTE]Everybody know that tuktuk are scam and you don't have to use them especially for reach massage shop or other sex venues. But probably is so difficult for you to jump on a BTS, come down at Nana Station and walk to Annies.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1883292]I can only last 3 days in thailand I am calling it quits and going home.[/QUOTE]Not totally surprising. Folks here tried to give you some advice but you never seemed to accept that Bangkok might not fit you pre-conceived notion of what it should be, ie full of "young girls from 3rd world countries" who will do anything for your money.

Respect goes a long way in Thailand. Your accounts with the ladies read borderline misogynistic. They are not sex robots, and can sense if a customer has a "warm heart" or not. Most times as with Thai culture they match kindness with kindness, and will likely turn you down flat or throw your money back in your face if you act like a jerk.

And FWIW I see you figured out a way to spend 8 k for what turned out to be a NWE (near wife experience) congrats on achieving that!

SL.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1883298]I find this to be the highlight of your report, at least the one I've appreciated more. Don't slam the door on your ass.[/QUOTE]BURN!

Nicely done ONG!

I nominate your report for the most inane of the year (and last year as well). You are truly a jerk off. 9000 baht? How does it feel to be played as a fool? Hopefully, you will find another website more suitable for your nonsense diatribes.

I am very sorry that you all do not like my report. I did not mean to upset anyone.

The coyote was good. Like a real girl. Worth 9000 baht only complaint was her personality.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1883362]I am very sorry that you all do not like my report. I did not mean to upset anyone.

The coyote was good. Like a real girl. Worth 9000 baht only complaint was her personality.[/QUOTE]I actually really enjoyed your report, MrManGuy. I was personally offended by just about everything in there, but it was very informative (see below), so thanks for sharing.

I think there are many reasons you are getting such blow back.

(1) You paid a lot of money (FAR more than you needed to), thereby ignoring the recommendations of those on this board. I'm not offended by this. It's your money, you have free will, and can exercise it as you please.

(2) You went after a Coyote girl, thereby ignoring the recommendations of those on this board. I'm not particularly offended by this. We all have our own preferences.

(3) You were pretty abusive to this girl, and you seemed to take pleasure in that abuse. I am offended by both your behavior and the glee with which you describe your actions.

(4) You spent the entire second paragraph trashing BKK. This is the BKK thread on ISG! Those of us on here LOVE BKK as a mongering city. We are the ones who know how superb this city is for smart, flexible, open-minded mongers. And your utterly negative views of the most mundane things in this city reveal a pretty sharp close-mindedness, and it gives newbies the wrong impression of this truly magnificent city (and its people). Moreover, your behavior gives everyone (mongers and local Thai people alike) a negative impression of us as farang mongers. So it's offensive.

Having said all that, I am glad you posted your report, since it does give us a glimpse into the world of over-priced coyote girl bar fining. I am now more convinced than ever that it is not worth pursuing a coyote girl. It has also renewed my belief that when I return to BKK in a couple of weeks, I am going to do my damndest to spread kindness instead of cruelty, since it will (obviously) be reciprocated in spades. I encourage you to do the same. Give BKK another chance, perhaps go down to Pattaya and try things down there (it's a smaller city, and it might be more to your liking). And if you do, I hope you post your reports here again, without fear of reprisal. I for one will be looking for your future reports.

The stunning Donut came back to Crazy house for two days. She never seems to take more than 5 minutes to hook a customer even on Sunday night when bar was rather empty later on.

I BFed before she got more than 2 metres inside the front door. LOL. Another girl was wishing she could get that sort of attention. With certaim girls you have to be extrenely quick or miss out.

Jane actually danced one set and was barfined promptly after that. She is hot too.

First time I saw either girl for about two weeks.

Show up when they need to and making money is a certainty for the top girls.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1883572]I actually really enjoyed your report, MrManGuy.

I was personally offended by just about everything It has also renewed my belief that when I return to BKK in a couple of weeks, I am going to do my damndest to spread kindness instead of cruelty, since it will (obviously) be reciprocated in spades. I encourage you to do the same. Give BKK another chance, perhaps go down to Pattaya and try things down there (it's a smaller city, and it might be more to your liking).[/QUOTE]It's a sad commentary on the complexity of the world we all live in, Kumbu.

Well, you will make up for it as you said. I plan to be back in Jan for a month and I hope to also spread kindness and happiness when I am back. IMO, the Thai people are pretty special with such a wonderful and humble culture. I am no expert like many of you here but if it's only about money and sex then IMO then one has missed the essence of life in general, and the heart and soul of Thai people, women and their culture.

Although, I had a better time in Pattaya than BKK, I met some wonderful human beings who work in the restaurant here at my hotel. And, two very kind and generous women in Pattaya. None in Pattaya or BKK were mistakes and I am glad to have spent some time with them. Now, I never agree to ST and the plan always is many days and nights, so YMMV. I eschew quantity and embrace the quality and totality of my experience with them.

Personally, I believe this guy has bad karma. And IMO, rightly so, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1883609]...I hope to also spread kindness and happiness when I am back. [/QUOTE]Of that, I am certain Haven123.

I've enjoyed your reports immensely. The non-stop dancing, the care-free attitude, despite the misses amongst the hits. What I especially enjoy about your reports is the unvarnished honesty. E. g. , you did not hold back in your dismay about BKK versus Pattaya, which is great. I hope you don't give up on BKK (others have said this already), since the richness and complexity of the city offers some really special surprises. It's a harder city (in many ways), but when you find that gem, it is that much more special.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1883615]Of that, I am certain Haven123.

I've enjoyed your reports immensely. The non-stop dancing, the care-free attitude, despite the misses amongst the hits. What I especially enjoy about your reports is the unvarnished honesty. E. g. , you did not hold back in your dismay about BKK versus Pattaya, which is great. I hope you don't give up on BKK (others have said this already), since the richness and complexity of the city offers some really special surprises. It's a harder city (in many ways), but when you find that gem, it is that much more special.[/QUOTE]Haha.

No I have not given up on BKK. There is no dismay. In fact just back from MIXX, and went straight to the breakfast buffet at my hotel where I enjoyed talking at length to one the girls who works there for quite some time. For the 3 RD straight day. Another one from Udon Thani! Married, 2 kids 5 and 3 ( back with mom) and husband is always doing construction work and she works 2 am to 2pm. I love the way she handles people . The grace and beauty in her interactions with the Japanese who can speak neither English nor Thai ( and this morning helping a Japanese guy on crutches with his seat and then going and getting the food for him so he does not have to.

So, I will surely spend a few nights in BKK again. It's just that for me (given my personality and nature), the pure tourism related culture in Pattaya (even though commercialized), and kind of the island feel because of the water, it seems to make people more laid back (no pun intended) ! And there are many such parallels (although each is relative to its own domain) in many countries around the world.

YMMV If you live here, but since I am just a visitor, my experience was better with the people I met in Pattaya, just talking and learning about them and trying to get a feel for them, their lives and life history.

I don't rush into things. I am super patient, and can wait for months until something right and with a kindred spirit comes along. Gogos for example, don't work for me. But, I don't get tied down either. I am a wanderer, an adventurer, looking for free spirits and trying to sip life vs. trying to gulp it down.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1883292]Went to some soi cowboy gogo. Ended up bar fining a coyote girl. She rambled on about a bunch of stuff I can only assume is total lies but she also said that she does not go with every customer but will go with me "you have bad body but you are good so I go with you I not go with you if you not good". I am not sure what kind of drugs would convince her to say something which make so little sense. Obviously I am a bad guy, because I go to bars, to molest young girls from 3rd world countries who are half my age. [/QUOTE]I personally don't have any great problem with you paying a 3 K barfine if that is what you want and the girl is really something super stunning. I have seen plenty of guys waiting till after midnight for the BF price reduction to 1500 (in the Mercury bar), and taking a fabulous Coyote away, even if they supposedly will not fuck "officially".

I don't know why you think the girl was on drugs. What she said is normal and makes perfect sense, even if not perfect English. Essentially, girls do not want to go with just any guy, overly full of himself and extra arrogant and causing her to stress out or be physically damaged. She doesn't care that the customer has a bad body. That is not important. She is prepared to spend time with a "nice" guy. Was she fooled? Are you basically a nice guy, or actually an asshole? Your writing style seems to show arrogance to me, and that is part of what others readers took a dislike to I guess (not just the money spent), but the real you could potentially be capable of being much nicer. Okay Sometimes the girl is fooling herself just a little, and the size of your wallet becomes more important than just being very nice to them.

Many girls I go with, claim to like old guys that are generous and "nice" to them in general. They do refuse plenty of customers that they take an aversion to. They claim money is not the only thing. They want a relatively stress free experience.

I only comment on the first part of your report as I did not read the whole lot and try to digest it.

Hey Haven, my young sexyman buddy! .

I am curious to hear about your impressions of Mixx.

Don't leave us in suspense. 555.

Have a great trip back home and happy returns to the LOS.

And stay horny my friend.

Uncle V.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1883752]Essentially, girls do not want to go with just any guy, overly full of himself and extra arrogant and causing her to stress out or be physically damaged. She doesn't care that the customer has a bad body. That is not important. She is prepared to spend time with a "nice" guy. Was she fooled? Are you basically a nice guy, or actually an asshole? Your writing style seems to show arrogance to me, and that is part of what others readers took a dislike to I guess (not just the money spent), but the real you could potentially be capable of being much nicer. Okay sometimes the girl is fooling herself just a little, and the size of your wallet becomes more important than just being very nice to them.

Many girls I go with, claim to like old guys that are generous and "nice" to them in general. They do refuse plenty of customers that they take an aversion to. They claim money is not the only thing. They want a relatively stress free experience.
[/QUOTE]I find that what you wrote is mostly true, but not all or at least not completely. Let me clarify that my Thai experience of many years and many hundreds of thousands baht is limited to disco free-lancers, as I never visit go-go's and much less talk to Coyotes there (although I've been to some Coyote clubs, of the type where Thai guys go), however I still think there is much common behavior between the two when it come to chose a customer, as I will explain later.

First of all, with top young FLs (and even not so top sometime), [B]it's absolutely false that they will place a guy's attitude or money before age[/B]. The typical top FL will NOT give a guy past 40 yrs a chance to even come close (while of course the Coyote will be glad to extract a lady drink from pretty much anyone). This refusal is expressed in the usual ways, the first, of course, is never crossing looks. Be reassured they have seen you right away, the only time where a FL doesn't look much at men is when she has a customer already. The second, which happens if you insist looking or smiling to her, is resorting to a friend's help, they will quickly both glance at you pointing as needed (signal for you that a decision is coming), tell something to each other covering their mouths, then making bland faces or waving the hand a little to decline. Depending on the woman attitude and education it can be much worse than that, like disgusted faces, signs for you to move around etc. If she's alone she will put on a quick half-smile and start looking at her phone, or drink. All that within 10 seconds, she will not even know if you're drunk, smell bad, from which country etc. She made her decision already based on the guy age, and very distant second factor, looks. The other thing that they do when they want to be helpful is point to another friend, invariably the older, fatter or uglier one in the party. Now, for some it may be difficult to accept a refusal (come on, I came there with the best intention of the world, not having ever wronged any hooker, full of money, and this 100 dollars biatch turns me down? That is ridiculous!). But in fact it's the best news one could receive, as it's just saying "I'll spare you from wasting your money in a pitiful sexual experience". So I think one should appreciate that clear and honest message, my reaction however is not to smile or wai but just laugh it off and move on. I've seen men that are unable to accept this fact and usually it ends with a small scene, if you know what I mean.

That much for the 1st approach issue to a top / young FL, which of course isn't a problem with a beautiful Coyote, even if I've read that is not completely unusual to receive unfriendly treatment from them too. Now, of course you can convince or pay well enough a top Coyote, and even in some occasion a top / young FL, and from there we go to the 2nd part, which I think applies independently from your age or looks.

Then for the "good guy" and "I don't care if you old or ugly" part. [B]That you will be treated good if you are "good" (a very subjective definition), is largely a cliche'[/B]. The more real fact is that for a normal Thai hooker a "good guy" is simply someone that in short pays well and makes her work quick and easy, which defined as no complain or issue with any of the following: Empty stupid talking. Pre-coital smoking. Separate showers with her lasting 20 minutes. Towel roll parade and immediate slipping between bedsheets. Turn on TV. No kissing. Short, hand-aided BJ. "jep jep" to avoid deep pumping. And of course, quickly going for panties after the 1st shot "Oh no I never do LT", phone calls "friend have no keys". "you tip me more for taxi na?" Now, these are common defects of even very plain looking Thai women, of course top girls are not different, actually they can get away with that even more easily.

Now, again on challenges that an older guy has in finding a decent partner, one would think, hey, there must be plenty of great looking older women to chose from! Especially considering that with Asian women is difficult to tell their age, and they age nicely (another cliche') well, is not so. [B]There are many more hot or attractive young women available for sex than older ones of the same level[/B]. The reason is simple, the young ones are doing their best money in total freedom at the peak of their energies. But as they grow older they realize that working the disco or club every night is, after all, fatiguing. That the continuous drinking makes them fat. That changing men every night made them indifferent to sex and relationship. Some realize that in time, or just in time, marry or settle with a single provider or two in rotation, and are out of the main market. The ones that grasp to the nightlife are there for you to see them degrading night after night. Note I'm talking here about the top 5%, for all the others that aren't so lucky life is just what is and what they can make of it.

The result is that you see tons of older foreigners (and some young one too) towing women (or vice-versa) that I wouldn't do for free. Is it that bad? Yes at times it is and even before looking at the money side of it. But, if you work the large numbers, are good at screening, you may get lucky sometime. [B]But don't stress that you have to be "good" all the time. Be yourself and more specifically be the yourself that you want to be in Thailand[/B].

I have been lucky sometime, sometime it didn't lasted at all, sometime it did and went well beyond a paid relationship; doing this entertains myself, that's why I keep coming back and have no problem with anything of the above. These are part of the game, accept or stay home and jack-off.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1883774]Hey Haven, my young sexyman buddy! .

I am curious to hear about your impressions of Mixx.

Don't leave us in suspense. 555.

Have a great trip back home and happy returns to the LOS.

And stay horny my friend.

Uncle V.[/QUOTE]FANTASTIC!

Loved the decor, the ambiance, the hard wood floors, the DJ, the music. All of it. Very well dressed and very good eye candy. I had a great time enjoying the ambiance, the scenery, the music and stayed from about 12 until 5. A couple girls came to me early on, but I was just in my own dancing zone with some other farang men and women. One tall blond Russian girl or CIS would walk by me keep taking my hat off and play with it and put it back on my head! There were some girls I talked to towards the end but I didn't like the verbal interaction. Difficult to explain. They just came across as super pros to me. Very beautiful and very elegant and I think models 5 years ago, when they were in their 20's. Super heavy thick make up. 2-3 approached me...one with a great body, very slim and a good dancer...but for some reason ( dunno why) I just was not feeling it. I am pretty sure that I did not strike while the iron was hot and then it was too late....

One I liked very much and talked to for a few minutes was super nice, pretty and the kind I definitely love. Unfortunately, it was her first time there, she was with a girl friend, worked at the airport for Qatar airways. Not avail to anyone for take out.

On the way back as I got out of my taxi near my hotel and Soi Cowboy I came across another girl (with a much older woman) who was young and cute, my type, but she wanted only ST which I don't care for anyway (for 1500) . She said she worked at Soi Cowboy (I think Coyote she just looked totally Coyote) but when I asked she said she did not have her ID on her and she was in street clothes. Then right across from my hotel heard music and a shack of a place, appropriately named ' Love Shack ' that is a Karaoke bar frequented by young Thai guys. Many young girls (again it seems Soi Cowboy Coyote girls after work at Soi Cowboy). Went in and bought a drink and chatted an older lady / manager Thai dude. Found a really cute girl I liked (another Coyote I think from Chiang Mai) and she wanted 2500ST and said she goes for between 4-5 K for LT. Declined my offer of 3k LT at 545 am! Went and hit the fantastic buffet at my hotel that starts at 6 and went to bed. Just so you know why I passed. I was pretty wasted with alcohol by then and decided to pass and just go to bed as plan was to go to Wat Po early PM (which I did after nearly 16 years!) and hired a great guide there for myself.

Thus ended by BKK escapade. No regrets ...no worries ...all good. I should have hit MiXX 2 nights earlier...totally my kind of place. Error on my part...my bad. But, now I know where to go...thanks to you. MIXX is hot, MIXX rocks and MiXX is a keeper for the future. :-)