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[QUOTE=It Travel]Ira or Miss U. who got presents are not pro, just normal girls... so what's the problem???

IT[/QUOTE]
By the way, you did buy Inga perfume for 40€... very kind of you since you already were paying her $800 for 2 days.

But actually I wasn't refering specifically to you, just to the notion of buying prostitutes presents.

I really don't care what people do with their money and what kind of fantasies they live out with pros. Maybe even pro sex is an avenue to let out pent up affection. My comment is merely stating my opinion that giving presents to pros is generally a waste of money unless it has immediate return value, such as giving a girl underwear to get her in the picture taking mood or other sex-related presents.

What you do with your girls, pro, freebie or otherwise is your business. As for presents for non-pros, I often buy small presents for them. I find that if used at the right moment it is an effective way to convince unsure girls that they should come into the apartment and fuck you.

For longer-term girlfriends, occassionally giving girls presents is just a nice gesture of affection and is appreciated. Giving presents to your girlfriend (or even family and friends) is an integral part of Slavic culture. It doesn't have to be elaborate or expensive, but the gesture is important.

[QUOTE=Rob Hay]What is with all the bars closing early on Sundays?? Couldn't find a decent place that was open to finish Redskins/Cowboys game.[/QUOTE]
Where'd you watch the first part of the game? The only places I know are RP and Arena and RP is the one that stays open the latest AFAIK.

Rob, there are a few sports bars in Kiev that are good to watch NFL games at. But only Arena and River Palace offer both the games and p4p action. The quality and luster of Arena has gone down quite a bit since late 2003 when it opened. The Arena disco attracts a lot of young student and village girls who want to go to the big city disco. And yes, this time of year places do tend to close early on Sunday, if you wanted to watch the game your best bet was to head to River Palace go to the sports bar and have them tune the game in - I think the Dr and I are going to reserve the same table we had last year for the Super Bowl this year. ;) Things are so out of whack in Kiev during the Holiday season it's hard to gauge anything. River Palace can be jammed full of smokin' hot girls one night with a 30% male ratio and then the next night there can be all fuglies and three tour buses worth of Turks.

Bez, pluses for South Beach, the weather, my 40' boat and my apartment on the inter coastal, having a car, two or three hot Russian/Ukrainian girls and the food. Pluses for Kiev, 300 or so hot Ukrainian/Russian girls that I know, almost getting away from the constant bomardment of US culture (and work), sometimes the food. The bottom line is if I want to be in South Beach I would be. But I'm in Kiev right now - Sevastopol in a couple of weeks (the south beach of the Ukraine?) ;)

Doc, Yeah giving an escort (who you are overpaying) a gift I really don't understand. The only present she gets from me is a slap on the ass. I think sometimes people blur the lines between p4p and freebies. I remember some guy in another section saying how much attention the strippers were paying attention to him - stop tipping them and see how much attention they pay to you. ;) With pro's 9 times out of 10 the bottom line, top line and middle line is money. With semi pro's you may get a little love depending on the relationship. But you are right, as long as you like it keep doing it!

For Hecker, Cruiser D's report card in Kiev Dec 31st Zero Jan 1st Date - Date (sex) - Date - Club. Jan 2nd Date (sex) Date (typing this report) Date - stripclub. Oh, I forgot to mention. I don't think my having sex with 20 girls my last time in Kiev was so fantastic - most of the girls I already knew.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D] I think the Dr and I are going to reserve the same table we had last year for the Super Bowl this year. ;) [/QUOTE]
Yes, I think we are.... :)

Maybe this time we should "pre-order" some girls during half-time and inform them that we are to be had for the low low bargain price of $100 each should they still be around at 4:30am when the game ends... )

Hecker, you wrote a lot of interesting matters as usual.

for your further information, i add:

- Yes, the most italian (no-monger) men have that behaviour because Italy has got the Vatican and because italian law gives a lot of privileges to women and because italian women know how to sell their pussies in the best and expensive way in the world. don't be surprised if italian origin families have the most low birth-rate in the world!

- What about to negotiate prices and services with prostitutes, i know they are liar, i know their real prices and services, i negotiate a lot before to pay them. just very few prostitutes are almost honest and they do almost all that i paid for. instead, what about the most prostitutes, there is always a problem: with some prostitutes, it is "you pay so or nothing", with other prostitutes, after two hours of average fucking, they want to go away, etc.

In fact my question to IT Travel was about this situation: what is your behaviour when a prostitute tries to cheat you?

- More satisfaction i have with normal ukranian girls, one different girl every evening and above all cheaper.

At last, i think the best and cheapest solution for me it is to find a piggy ukrainian (or russian) normal girl and to have a lasting relationship with her, hard sex for me and a better life for her

What about longtime prostitutes, they are all women lost, lost, lost because they never can be real friends and real lovers because their brains always think about money and how to cheat people for money. just one kind of men are suitable for them: their bosses or men acting as bosses. and in spite of all, longtime prostitutes live better than the average people: because average people fool themselves "life is good feelings" while longtime prostitutes think "life is money only" and so they buy everything, happiness too.

Acolonizer,

I have met italian women and I saw some of the features you describe but I have to add many of them are due to the behaviour of italian men who tend to offer them ''earth and water'' from the beginning and try to satisfy all their needs. Do you imagine a black for example would offer the same as an Italian?

Also since you are italian, the local women have exposed you to all the tricks of female behaviour, you should be in a far more advanced level of game than people from countries where women are simple and non-challenging. So it seems you did not dare to game women in Italy at all or you did it in a very limited range, you never tried to approach them which is a big mistake.
If you do, I am sure that you will come to conclusions that will blow your mind, like that their behaviour does not essentially differ from that of ukrainian girls, everything is on the surface. Women are women everywhere.

My advice is to exercise a bit in Italy with local women and try to learn some russian before entering Kiev, also try to check every alternative. If you do not succeed in Kiev, you may try province or another country.

Personally for me ukrainian province works better than Kiev but that is me.

CruiserD thanks for the report, we believe you, everyday sex can be exhausting.

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]

In spite of all, longtime prostitutes live better than the average people.

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You can't have seen many, or you would not possibly reach this conclusion.

Their lives are intertwined with violence, drugs, alkohol, criminals, police, and STD's.
This is the trade off for the quick money.

I told you that in October on my last night, I decided to have my driver take me all over the city to check out as many in-call apartments as I could find. We went from one side of the city to the other and back, visiting at least 6 places that we called from newspaper ads, that told us on the phone how beautiful their girls were.

We didn't find even one prostitute that rated above a 6/10, and most averaged about 3/10. And they were almost all short timers, so if you could imagine they would only get much worse over time. As far as these apartments where they were staying, they were as bad as anything I've ever seen. As far as how they were dressed, most looked like trash.

There was absolutely nothing that gave an impression that their lives were better than average, more so they resembled very low quality life.

Again, we ALL have different tastes, so there's no question that they get their share of business, though I did not see another customer in any of these places, and it was a Friday night, but I'm just saying that there's mongers who would be perfectly happy with these trashy come-buckets.

Not foreigners like me, in fact these places service the locals. I would not have been able to find any of these places if not for my driver talking with them on the phone and walking up with me through these apartment buildings.

No, this was not Kiev, or Moscow, or St. Pitr, but it was a big city. I imagine the quality in those biggest cities has got to be better than the crap I found out in the provinces. I used to find some gems a few years ago, but its tougher now without a mamachka searching for me.

Why is it I can picture AC in his apartment looking in the mirror saying 'you looking at me?'.

Don't they have psychologists in Italy?

For all you guys who like to prey, did I say prey, I meant to say hit on village girls at McDonalds you are missing the best time of the year. During the day I hide in my apartment and make a quick run to an upscale dining spot to avoid the village hordes in the big city. I can’t wait until another week when everyone is tapped out - emotionally and financially. Then Kiev and all it’s girls will be mine!

Maybe I need to see a psychologist. Oh wait, I already am, she's hot and Ukrainian. :)

Dr, are we charging the girls $100 or are we offering to pay them $100. Either way I think it's a bargin for them. I think I'm going to try for the hat trick. I'm going to bring two girls with me to River Palace and then buy a third for take out.

Hecker, actually things are starting out slow as expected for the holiday season. When I start tapping two freebies a day and engaging in a threesome or two I will be happy. I am still sad about my #1 girl leaving but not sad enough to actually do anything about it. ;)

Cruiser, if you see you-know-who at the you-know-where, say hello for me.

I am in Kiev and yesterday I tried to call MT, but her phone was not working. Does anybody know any new numbers? Or does she have Christmas holidays? If you have information with numbers that worked after November 1st, pls PM me.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]First day in Kiev

Any American's in Kiev interested in watching the NFL playoff series?[/QUOTE]Will be in town tomorrow (Saturday) night for a day or two max. If things with the ladies do not work out might be in for some football!

FT

Acolonizer,it is important not to get scared in any case.A lot of men's behaviour has to do with scaring you off but if you do not pay attention,you are invulnerable.So concentrate on the mission and try to work things out without taking into account the social impact of your behaviour.

(except some "flaming" sentences) your opinions need further specifications otherwise you always write the same matters:

Hecker:

- It is usual to divide between women and prostitutes but it seems they are the same kind of people for you: for example, in your opinion, all mothers are like prostitutes? I know all prostitutes are women but maybe all women are not prostitutes and the same reasoning is about their behaviour;

- Maybe it could be silly but when two people negotiate an agreement, they have to comply with the agreement: for example when a prostitute (alias a "working girl") doesn't comply with the agreement, she has to refund money;

- It is not enough to know italian women because it is necessary to live in their country, in their legislative law (I mean national and government law), in their social behaviour: here it is not a problem of seduction game or bastard game but it is a problem of legislative, religious and customs rules. It is COMPLETELY different in ukraine, no national law like in italy, no religious conformism like in italy, no social habits like in italy: these are real facts and not personal opinions;

- I think my english is not so bad but I wonder why I am often misunderstood (who knows? ): when I am in kiev, I go out with a different "normal" girl every day, so I wonder "what is the problem"? ;

- What about girls' rating, I read for example "rating 5" (and sometimes more) about girls that also I met and they are WC in my opinion: yes, personal tastes are different;

- Did you see some face and body difference between italian and ukrainian/russian girls? If I like ukrainian/russian girls, it is because I don't like italian girls very much, it is not a matter of sex but it is a matter of girls otherwise I have already gone to brasil or Thailand;

Bez Bezarra:. All longtime prostitutes, that I knew, are nice women and they are able to pass every bad episode in their life and their life is richer of experiences in comparison to average people and it seems they have diseases not much more than average people: maybe it is a small sample but it is not so dark like you see;. You made me to think: from a point of view, longtime prostitutes are similar to longtime mongers;

Cruiser D: you could put your humour where Sun never lights up;

Explorer69: there are at least one hundred girls better than MT.

Flat, I wouldn't mind watching the NYG-Tampa game at Arena. I'll have a 24/7 freebie for Saturday and Sunday so I don't know if I can make it, it all depends on how the sex is. :) Or maybe she's an NFL fan...

I just tried sending you a pm with my mobile number in Kiev. Looks like you can't receive them. If I end up going to Arena to watch the Giants game I'll post it here.

AC, I'm just trying to help you out before you shoot Ronald Reagan to impress Jodie Foster. Have you ever heard the phrase 'madonna/w hore' complex'?

[QUOTE=Acolonizer](except some "flaming" sentences) your opinions need further specifications otherwise you always write the same matters:

Hecker:

- It is usual to divide between women and prostitutes but it seems they are the same kind of people for you: for example, in your opinion, all mothers are like prostitutes? I know all prostitutes are women but maybe all women are not prostitutes and the same reasoning is about their behaviour;

- Maybe it could be silly but when two people negotiate an agreement, they have to comply with the agreement: for example when a prostitute (alias a "working girl") doesn't comply with the agreement, she has to refund money;

- It is not enough to know italian women because it is necessary to live in their country, in their legislative law (I mean national and government law), in their social behaviour: here it is not a problem of seduction game or bastard game but it is a problem of legislative, religious and customs rules. It is COMPLETELY different in ukraine, no national law like in italy, no religious conformism like in italy, no social habits like in italy: these are real facts and not personal opinions;

- I think my english is not so bad but I wonder why I am often misunderstood (who knows? ): when I am in kiev, I go out with a different "normal" girl every day, so I wonder "what is the problem"? ;

- What about girls' rating, I read for example "rating 5" (and sometimes more) about girls that also I met and they are WC in my opinion: yes, personal tastes are different;

- Did you see some face and body difference between italian and ukrainian/russian girls? If I like ukrainian/russian girls, it is because I don't like italian girls very much, it is not a matter of sex but it is a matter of girls otherwise I have already gone to brasil or Thailand;

Bez Bezarra:. All longtime prostitutes, that I knew, are nice women and they are able to pass every bad episode in their life and their life is richer of experiences in comparison to average people and it seems they have diseases not much more than average people: maybe it is a small sample but it is not so dark like you see;. You made me to think: from a point of view, longtime prostitutes are similar to longtime mongers;

Cruiser D: you could put your humour where Sun never lights up;

Explorer69: there are at least one hundred girls better than MT.[/QUOTE]1. I am not interested in prostitutes psychology.

2. Compliance with agreement rules is a concept that works very different in Ukraine than in western world. Ukrainian, russian mind is different regarding meaning of agreemenst and relates them to power of the individual part.

3. It is normal to go out with a different normal girl in Kiev every day since all of them can be benefited when spending on one date a third of their salaries.

4. I have to agree with girls' rating. I rate ukianian girls in comparison to girls in other slavic countries like Poland, Slovakia, Serbia etc. They have to compete against them in my opinion. I do not rate them against western or mediteranean women standard.

5. Of course there is huge difference. Ukrainian girls look a lot better as all slavic girls do when compared to other races.

Everywhere in the world the game is game of seduction. There is no social or religious game.