Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1895181]Somehow this repeated report about Nataree situaiton is a joke. Extremely few field reports from these massage places (recent debate about that in this forum since obviously few mongers go there) and now there is a kind of "panic" about Nataree not reopening. I have been there last year, must confess that they as a whole had the by far the best girl selection among the neighbouring places but no BBBJ, so I will not miss it during my stay next month! Stupid place, simply.[/QUOTE]For any monger here in Thailand the threat of a wide scale crackdown is a fear. And I think in the current climate, that fear is not unfounded. Keeping up with how the situation with Nat progresses, the raids on other soapies, etc, is in my opinion a very valid topic for this forum. I myself have not been to Nat in well over a decade, but I am still very interested in what is happening. We all should be.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1895181]Somehow this repeated report about Nataree situaiton is a joke. Extremely few field reports from these massage places (recent debate about that in this forum since obviously few mongers go there) and now there is a kind of "panic" about Nataree not reopening. I have been there last year, must confess that they as a whole had the by far the best girl selection among the neighbouring places but no BBBJ, so I will not miss it during my stay next month! Stupid place, simply.[/QUOTE]Is it about Bangkok? YES.

Is it about mongering and its future? YES.

It belongs here. My 2 satang.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;1895091]Apologies for the rather mundane question. I know there are multitudes of "legit" massage parlors in the Sukumvit area, so I will ask for a few opinions. .[/QUOTE]Soi 33, Cefle Massage, excellent.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]Hi all,

New member and love reading some of your posts.

A friend and I will be heading to Thailand shortly (Bangkok and Hua Hin), and whilst I've read a million posts on here and so I think I have a good feel of how it all works, I'd like to ask a few newbie questions if that's OK.

- Reading the posts, I think I like the idea of finding a nice FL rather than finding a girl in the bars. I get the impression the bar girls can be a bit pushy? Is that a fair assessment? I'm assuming there's plenty of bars where we can just go and have a few beers without being harassed. Is that right? Anyway, back to the FL idea. Any pitfalls with this idea as opposed to the bar girls?.[/QUOTE]Since I'm feeling charitable.

Personally I would think that some of the FL bars you will get more hassle than in a go-go especially if you are a newbie and can't fend them off properly. They can smell weakness / inexperience. In a Go-Go all the girls are on staff and you pick the ones you want to drink with (or just watch). You are more likely to get buyers remorse with a FL once the kit comes off. Also if you take a FL back to the hotel, keep an eye on your stuff. Conversely, if you 'click' with a FL you pick up in a bar, the experience can feel a lot more 'real' than a 2 HR fumble with a bar / go-go girl. All of these points are generalizations, but you get the picture.

As I always say, coals to Newcastle and all that. If you want hot eastern European girls, they will be found, mainly, and most cost-effectively in eastern Europe.

Bargain. Lek massage on soi 22, right by the queens park bars, 250 thb for hour thai massage, facilities are as nice as any other regular shop (hot ball massage is a nice option same price or just a little exra) still private room though.

Health land. Behind t21 soi 19, probably highest quality standard and nicer facilities.

Thong lo. Lots of places on soi 55, palm herbal spa was nice and fanciest setup I have seen, you fill out a form on an ipad highlighting areas you want worked on, preferences, ect. Can pay with CC, and can sign up for free discount card and you get like 10% off. Still only 500 thb for hour thai massage.

So in summary for streets, would try 22 and 55. Thong lo can be a nice change from the prime tourist area between nana and asoke. Just as aside, if you like sticky rice and mango a famous popular place is right as you turn onto 55 from suk, you can't miss it. Last trip I got the mango and 3 type rice assortment almost everyday.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;1895091]Apologies for the rather mundane question. I know there are multitudes of "legit" massage parlors in the Sukumvit area, so I will ask for a few opinions. What roads or streets do you personally think offers the best selection of massage shops / ladies in Bangkok. Also if someone could recommend a more upscale massage location, one that has private rooms, etc. I realize that this may also mean that the service level may vary with a more "mainline" massage business.

Thank you in advance for your suggestions.

Sky.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1895075]Agreed. That nasty little comment you received was not needed and undeserved. And I also fail to see how a story posted in yesterday's BKK Post is "old news. ".[/QUOTE]If it was nasty, I'd hate to see your version of horrific or terrible. It was obvious I meant we don't need to keep getting updates on Nateree. Maybe the update is not old news, but the topic is. I'm not going back so I could care less what happens to them. If you go back, you can risk being caught with your pants down with an under aged or foreign worker you thought was Thai and over 18. Up to you guys, but I say move on.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1894842]Okay, I'll post something appropriate for this thread. FU.

And by the way Mr. Patrolman, something that was just reported in the newspapers for the first time today is not old news.[/QUOTE]Sorry but it is old news, as in the topic. Maybe not the recent update. Who cares, I'm sorry to say. It's closed and I'm never going back if and when it reopens. The rest of you would be smart to follow my lead. So whether or not they open again or have their water metre checked is of no concern or informational value to me. Old old old old. If one was to post alternative and safe massage places, that would be a worthwhile post. So here you go:

I have recently been to some places on Petchaburi road that seem very safe. Some others on Rama 9 road near RCA and a few high end places in Minburi, Lat Phrao, and Ramintra. Please PM me for the names. I think it's time to keep the actual names of these places off the board since I'm sure the Thai authorities are well aware of our little club here.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1895543] I have recently been to some places on Petchaburi road that seem very safe. Some others on Rama 9 road near RCA and a few high end places in Minburi, Lat Phrao, and Ramintra. Please PM me for the names. I think it's time to keep the actual names of these places off the board since I'm sure the Thai authorities are well aware of our little club here.[/QUOTE]Well then, if the authorities want to know the names, they can just PM you for them; you don't know who is PMing you. :)

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1895543]I have recently been to some places on Petchaburi road that seem very safe. Some others on Rama 9 road near RCA and a few high end places in Minburi, Lat Phrao, and Ramintra. Please PM me for the names. I think it's time to keep the actual names of these places off the board since I'm sure the Thai authorities are well aware of our little club here.[/QUOTE]As if the authorities would need our forum to find out there are naughty massage places in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]Hi all,

New member and love reading some of your posts.

A friend and I will be heading to Thailand shortly (Bangkok and Hua Hin), and whilst I've read a million posts on here and so I think I have a good feel of how it all works, I'd like to ask a few newbie questions if that's OK.

- Reading the posts, I think I like the idea of finding a nice FL rather than finding a girl in the bars. I get the impression the bar girls can be a bit pushy? Is that a fair assessment? I'm assuming there's plenty of bars where we can just go and have a few beers without being harassed. Is that right? Anyway, back to the FL idea. Any pitfalls with this idea as opposed to the bar girls?

- Staying at Novotel Bangkok Sukhumvit 20 and Hilton in Hua Hin. Assuming both are GF?

- I'm assuming most of the girls are receptive to kissing?

- I'm a big fan of going down on a girl, but wondering if that's smart given potential for disease etc? Is it something you guys are pretty relaxed about?

- Are tips normal or should they be reserved for special service? Assuming a LT with good service, what's a reasonable tip?

- I like Asian girls, but some of the Eastern European girls are stunning. Is there generally a good selection of both?

I'm sure I'll have some follow up questions, but any help with these will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I am not the best person to answer all of your questions as I am not using Freelancers that often.

Going down, sure no problem. I do it all the time. If girl does bareback willingly, probably many freelancers do, then she is a risk for diseases like Chlamydia, Gonor. , etc. Don't rub your eyes after fingering the pussy. I learned that the hard way. Pussy licking is not the most risky activity.

Most girls are okay With kissing but some are not that keen. Thai culture is different. Some girls who don't kiss much, suddenly do after a few drinks to loosen them up. However don't get girls very drunk, you will regret it. Some Thai girls can be drunk after a small number of drinks.

For tips it is up to you. No need if agreed price is already very fair. However nothing wrong with tipping for extra good service in my opinion, however not if she was rather ordinary. If making a tip, 100 Baht is not really worthwhile, and could be considered that you see her as very desperate. 500 Baht would be my minimum tip for extra good service, for a LT booking. If you pay high, girls remember, and they will expect you to pay consistently high. So take that into account. I don't do LT bookings with girls, the first time I meet them. I want to see how much fun they are first with a ST booking. Also one girl was too much fun. She wanted to Yack all night (not fuck all night). At 5 AM, I am reminding her that some sleep might be useful. I have experienced newbie girls who would wake me up for more sex too, but that is rare.

The big difference between freelancers and bargirls is price. Freelancers will be a lot cheaper, on average. I mostly take bargirls that I have seen dancing naked, so that there are no surprises when the girl takes cloths off. Also I normally do not take silicone tits, nor very saggy tits, nor saggy ass, nor stocky legs, so I need to see them.

There is an in between category I have been using. Girls at portable street bars. These girls still have a bar fine to leave the bar, normally 500 Baht. However I did have a chance to sit with them at the bar for a very long time before deciding to take them, no pressure, even a chance to dance with them a little and feel how is the body. Got a girl with amazing tits this way. As a young newbie, she had not trimmed her pussy hair yet so that was weird. Even workers at the bar did not know how good were her well covered tits.

Aggressive pushy girls. There are some bars that have extremely pushy atmosphere, especially for new customers, however it is up to the personality of the individual girls too. Any bar could have girls pushing for at least drinks. Find a shyer non pushy girl. I recently visited Long Gun after a long time away. The staff remembered me and were far too pushy for drinks. Found it intolerable, and returned to my normal bars. Don't let staff think you are too generous. Don't let girls sit with you unless you choose the girl. Don't get to know the mamasan and waitresses too well. I am a bit too nice, but I try to give an impression of being unfriendly or at least aloof at times.

If you really don't want to be harassed, go to pub, instead of a bar, where there are no working girls other than waitresses. At Corner on Soi Cowboy has no hookers, for example. Its near to my normal girlie bar and has good hamburgers. Plenty of Sports Pubs nearby too.

Others reporting here are expert on freelance girls at Bangkok Beat, the discos, on the street, etc. I have been to Bangkok Beat but found the music to be too loud to be able to talk to girls, and quality of the band's sound also not the best. Girls were also generally not really my spec. Older and less slim, and a few LBs thrown in. Some places can be a bit dark so cannot see the girl quality easily. I need a large line up of girls to choose from mostly as am a bit too fussy. Dream girls for me, but they cost me. Also I prefer to monger early evening. Not staying out all night too often. I am sure you have read many posts from the guys who prefer to get girls from discos and other freelance venues.

I have collected regular girls, very pretty to my taste that perform very well for me, at bars and MPs, so I don't try a new girl that often. One stunning girl has braces and BJ is not that great (inexperienced), but I don't care. Everything else is great, including the kissing. Most girls have a weakness somewhere. Most guys are compromising on the face or body. I hardly ever compromise on the face, if at all. I also hardly repeat girls that don't give good kissing. So think there is no reason not to expect nice kissing once you have some sort of chemistry with the girl. Always an exception possible for any guys with foul breath of course. I don't smoke and take a lot of care to taste good.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1895540]If it was nasty, I'd hate to see your version of horrific or terrible. It was obvious I meant we don't need to keep getting updates on Nateree. Maybe the update is not old news, but the topic is. I'm not going back so I could care less what happens to them. If you go back, you can risk being caught with your pants down with an under aged or foreign worker you thought was Thai and over 18. Up to you guys, but I say move on.[/QUOTE]Your reaction to the first post, seemed rather jumpy, to say the least, like someone touched a raw nerve. So most would have been surprised. Personally I have a thick hide, and so I would not take it very personally. I now some guys over react to my posts as well.

Certainly far more on topic than many other non mongering related topics that appear in this thread. You can add the guy to your ignore list if uninterested in things he posts. I have put some extremely negative shit dumping posters on my ignore list in the past.

I remember Ixgca (spelling? Not so long ago posting that most of the problems I had described with Nataree were long gone things of the past, but I really feel he was far too much of an optimist. Nothing changes that much in my view. Change is usually exaggerated.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]Hi all,

New member and love reading some of your posts.

A friend and I will be heading to Thailand shortly (Bangkok and Hua Hin), and whilst I've read a million posts on here and so I think I have a good feel of how it all works, I'd like to ask a few newbie questions if that's OK.

- Reading the posts, I think I like the idea of finding a nice FL rather than finding a girl in the bars. I get the impression the bar girls can be a bit pushy? Is that a fair assessment? I'm assuming there's plenty of bars where we can just go and have a few beers without being harassed. Is that right? Anyway, back to the FL idea. Any pitfalls with this idea as opposed to the bar girls?[/QUOTE]Some bars have pushy girls, some don't, some have a mix of both. It is the luck of the draw. If you find them too pushy, just move to the next bar. I visited Hua Hin a month ago and did not find any FL, although I have been told the bar at the Hilton Hotel seems to have some. I have always taken my ladies from bars or clubs and never engaged a FL. In a girlie bar everyone knows exactly what your intentions are and that is so much easier. But to each his modus operandi.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]- Staying at Novotel Bangkok Sukhumvit 20 and Hilton in Hua Hin. Assuming both are GF?[/QUOTE]Yes, no problem.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]- I'm assuming most of the girls are receptive to kissing?[/QUOTE]Light kissing is not a problem, but the chance of DFK is probably less than 50/50. Therefore it is best to ask in the pre-employment interview.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]- I'm a big fan of going down on a girl, but wondering if that's smart given potential for disease etc? Is it something you guys are pretty relaxed about?[/QUOTE]I'm a big fan of licking Thai pussy and (so far) never had a problem. Nothing is without risk of course, but I think the risks are low. Thai girls are very clean. A shower before and after sex is standard so their pussies are fresh and tasty.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]- Are tips normal or should they be reserved for special service? Assuming a LT with good service, what's a reasonable tip?[/QUOTE]Yes, reserve tips for special good service. Thailand does not have a real "tipping culture" so tips are not really expected.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]- I like Asian girls, but some of the Eastern European girls are stunning. Is there generally a good selection of both?[/QUOTE]Forget about the Eastern European girls in Thailand: they are few and come mostly with bad attitude, high price and low service (if any service at all). I haven't seen any EE girls in Hua Hin. In Bangkok most of these "Russians" are from the Southern republics of the FSU (the *stan republics) and many are well past their "sell by" date.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1895355]Soi 33, Cefle Massage, excellent.[/QUOTE]I have to concur. I usually have an oily session then go to Cefle for a relaxing massage.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1895543]Sorry but it is old news, as in the topic. Maybe not the recent update. Who cares, I'm sorry to say. It's closed and I'm never going back if and when it reopens. The rest of you would be smart to follow my lead. So whether or not they open again or have their water metre checked is of no concern or informational value to me. Old old old old. If one was to post alternative and safe massage places, that would be a worthwhile post. So here you go:

I have recently been to some places on Petchaburi road that seem very safe. Some others on Rama 9 road near RCA and a few high end places in Minburi, Lat Phrao, and Ramintra. Please PM me for the names. I think it's time to keep the actual names of these places off the board since I'm sure the Thai authorities are well aware of our little club here.[/QUOTE]The law of holes: "If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging."

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1895540]If it was nasty, I'd hate to see your version of horrific or terrible. It was obvious I meant we don't need to keep getting updates on Nateree. Maybe the update is not old news, but the topic is. I'm not going back so I could care less what happens to them. If you go back, you can risk being caught with your pants down with an under aged or foreign worker you thought was Thai and over 18. Up to you guys, but I say move on.[/QUOTE]Again, interest in the updates about Nataree are not just in relation to that one particular parlor, but a reflection of how the new authorities are dealing with the P4 P scene in BKK. Things they are a changin' and I for one am glad to get the updates. Have not been to Nataree in over 10 years, but am still interested in how the case against them develops and how it will effect us all. I believe most of the punters are interested as well and the posts tend to back me up on that one.