Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1897707]All the more reason she should take her chosen profession seriously and try to ensure that she is providing great service to her customers.[/QUOTE]I agree to that too. But still does not make it a case to argue for not paying a bargirl for any reason. Unless she did not have any sex with you to begin with. If you get a poor performer that is just bad luck or poor selection or both. I have had my share but I take it on the chin and move on. But I will never try to argue a case for not paying a bargirl.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1897919]I agree to that too. But still does not make it a case to argue for not paying a bargirl for any reason. Unless she did not have any sex with you to begin with. If you get a poor performer that is just bad luck or poor selection or both. I have had my share but I take it on the chin and move on. But I will never try to argue a case for not paying a bargirl.[/QUOTE]I have paid less than agreed upon if she did not deliver as promised. I agree, if she tries to please, even if the skill set is not up to par, then she gets full marks. However, a bad attitude and / or not fulfilling what she said she would do brings a reduced rate. Normally if a session is going to go south I know it very early on and will call it off and just give her taxi fare.

After work this evening, I went to Terminal 21 which is a large mall which has restaurants and a food court. I like to visit this mall because there's always tons of ladies going to the mall and occasionally I have met freelancers there.

As I was sitting in the food court there was a lady in her thirties that constantly looked at me I also looked at her. I didn't think much of it. When she finished eating she passed in front of me and smiled and asked me what was I eating. I told her and we exchanged some small talk and after that she asked me was it ok for her to sit down at my table.

I said ok and we talked for about 15 minutes and then later we decided to go get coffee.

We were having a nice time and I wanted to get to the point so I asked her if she wanted to go back to my apartment with me. I normally do not take hookers to my apartment but this time it was tons of rain outside and I did not feel like going to a short time hotel. I decided to go ahead and take a chance with her and asked her to bring her back to my apartment. She said that she felt uncomfortable about going back to my apartment with me. I asked her why and she said that she does not want to have sex on the first date.

WTF! I was somewhat confused as what hooker does not want to have sex on the first night that you meet them. I was not in the mood to play games and I was thinking okay let me just dump this crazy women and get the hell out of here. Then it dawned on me. Maybe she's not a hooker. In difficult situations I try to be calm cool and collective and not show any negative emotion when dealing with the Thais.

So I changed the subject to work and I asked her what does she do for a living. She said that she sells real estate specializing in condos. She showed me her business card and then it finally hit me that this woman was not a hooker but just a regular Thai women in their thirties. She told me that she had never been married and did not have any children and that she was actually 38 years old. She look liked like she was about 34 years old. She was dressed nice with makeup earrings and her fingernails painted.

She had a great personality and a nice little body. She wasn't dark skinned but more on the light skinned side. She said on the second date we would being romantic. I told her will we just hold hand and kiss, she laguhed and said that we would do that and also have sex. She said sex is not the most important. She likes to go out on dates, hold hands, and feel happy with her lover.

For a moment I thought to myself I am not interested in having a relationship with a Thai lady when there's so much pussy to be had in Bangkok by going to the massage parlors and hanging out in the Go-Go Bars. By the way, tonight i am going to Crazy House bar behind soi cowboy, the best bar for me in Bangkok....cute young sexy girls dance nude! But nack to the subject. The last time I dated a Thai girl that turned out to be more expensive in the long run because you have to buy them things and take them out to dinner and be emotionally committed to them. But I couldn't resist this cute Thai woman that smells good and wearing nice clothes. She really had a good personality and a sexy body.

It just goes to show you that just because it's a woman is nice to you and wants to get to know you that she may not be a hooker. I'm glad I did not ask her in the beginning about short time and how much she was willing to accept. It probably would have pissed her off. I broke my rule and decided to see her again for a second date. I'm planning to get together on Friday evening and take her to the movies and dinner. There's one thing you should understand about dating in Thailand when you're dating a regular woman. Normally, if she likes you you will have sex with you at least by the second date no later than the 3rd date. If You don't have sex with a regular Thai woman by the third day she is simply not interested in you to be her lover. This applies maninly to regular non hooker Thai women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s. Thai teens and thai girls that are not hookers in their early 20s may make you wait longer...like till the 5th date.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1897952]After work this evening, I went to Terminal 21 which is a large mall which has restaurants and a food court. I like to visit this mall because there's always tons of ladies going to the mall and occasionally I have met freelancers there.

As I was sitting in the food court there was a lady in her thirties that constantly looked at me I also looked at her. I didn't think much of it. When she finished eating she passed in front of me and smiled and asked me what was I eating. I told her and we exchanged some small talk and after that she asked me was it ok for her to sit down at my table.

I said ok and we talked for about 15 minutes and then later we decided to go get coffee.

We were having a nice time and I wanted to get to the point so I asked her if she wanted to go back to my apartment with me. I normally do not take hookers to my apartment but this time it was tons of rain outside and I did not feel like going to a short time hotel. I decided to go ahead and take a chance with her and asked her to bring her back to my apartment. She said that she felt uncomfortable about going back to my apartment with me. I asked her why and she said that she does not want to have sex on the first date.

WTF! I was somewhat confused as what hooker does not want to have sex on the first night that you meet them. I was not in the mood to play games and I was thinking okay let me just dump this crazy women and get the hell out of here. Then it dawned on me. Maybe she's not a hooker. In difficult situations I try to be calm cool and collective and not show any negative emotion when dealing with the Thais.

So I changed the subject to work and I asked her what does she do for a living. She said that she sells real estate specializing in condos. She showed me her business card and then it finally hit me that this woman was not a hooker but just a regular Thai women in their thirties. She told me that she had never been married and did not have any children and that she was actually 38 years old. She look liked like she was about 34 years old. She was dressed nice with makeup earrings and her fingernails painted.

She had a great personality and a nice little body. She wasn't dark skinned but more on the light skinned side. She said on the second date we would being romantic. I told her will we just hold hand and kiss, she laguhed and said that we would do that and also have sex. She said sex is not the most important. She likes to go out on dates, hold hands, and feel happy with her lover.

For a moment I thought to myself I am not interested in having a relationship with a Thai lady when there's so much pussy to be had in Bangkok by going to the massage parlors and hanging out in the Go-Go Bars. By the way, tonight i am going to Crazy House bar behind soi cowboy, the best bar for me in Bangkok....cute young sexy girls dance nude! But nack to the subject. The last time I dated a Thai girl that turned out to be more expensive in the long run because you have to buy them things and take them out to dinner and be emotionally committed to them. But I couldn't resist this cute Thai woman that smells good and wearing nice clothes. She really had a good personality and a sexy body.

It just goes to show you that just because it's a woman is nice to you and wants to get to know you that she may not be a hooker. I'm glad I did not ask her in the beginning about short time and how much she was willing to accept. It probably would have pissed her off. I broke my rule and decided to see her again for a second date. I'm planning to get together on Friday evening and take her to the movies and dinner. There's one thing you should understand about dating in Thailand when you're dating a regular woman. Normally, if she likes you you will have sex with you at least by the second date no later than the 3rd date. If You don't have sex with a regular Thai woman by the third day she is simply not interested in you to be her lover. This applies maninly to regular non hooker Thai women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s. Thai teens and thai girls that are not hookers in their early 20s may make you wait longer...like till the 5th date.[/QUOTE]Yes I have had the same experience. Not on the first date is normal. They feel the need for respect and they want to get to know you. What I love about non WG's is that you never need a condom. I hate condoms. You can have a great GF as many do, and still take the short time when you feel adventure is needed.

RL.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1897952]Then it dawned on me. Maybe she's not a hooker. [/QUOTE]Nice report, thanks.

We are always in the gogo bars, the Nana Hotel parking lot, the soapies, etc. , and it's easy to imagine that Thai women that make looksies with us are all in it for the money. But some women just like sex with falang men.

I once hooked up completely by mistake with a university student, about 7 years ago. We were talking about what she does in her spare time, and she (out of the blue) said she likes to go to Climax. Why? Because she likes falang men. She then tells me that the sex with falang men is better than with Thai men, because they tend to be more attentive to the lady's needs. She knew of many of her friends who trawled through shopping malls and places like that looking for a falang man that met their fancy, and then tried to pick them up.

I therefore took this girl out on a date, and on the first night, I spent hours sucking out her pussy. Attentive enough for you, darling?

Looking forward to hearing how this proceeds with you.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1897763]Excellent analysis and I could not agree more. Sadly so many punters just take what they get from the gals, even if it was far less than promised, and they still pay the agreed upon rate. Whether it is fear or pity it really harms the scene. Honestly, is there any other service you purchase where people would find this acceptable? I really think not. But again, when it involves the penis, thought tends to go out the window. Most punters are very uncomfortable expressing their displeasure to a P4 P gal.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree at all. How can one suspect guys that don't pay are rare?

We were not there to see the events. Plenty of girls have reported being duped several times. I don't believe they are all liars. There is little value is telling me bullshit since I am their regular customer and makes no difference to my payment.

Cheating customers or those who suddenly find themselves to have no money are reported to be common. I cannot tell one way or the other. Senseless speculation is worthless. There is no evidence.

Girls don't require me to pay in advance in places where I am a trusted customer. Others are asked to pay up front only when they are not trusted.

There has to be a logical reason for this. Simply the incidence of failure to pay is not neglible.

ET can deny this all he likes. Doesn't help anything. Who cares what he believes is the behaviour of other mongers?

There was a question a while back about what looked to be freelance ladies at hotel pools, I. E. Attractive solo Thai ladies. I think I might have found a partial answer.

So far this trip I have pick up three pros at the hotel pool. Basically they said they head to the pool after a date to relax and potentially find another customer. Easy pickins really: guys are lying around somewhat bored and horny; and suddenly see an attractive lady in a bikini strutting about. Approaching them was simple: after they smile at you it's the typical how you do, where you go stuff. Easy peasy for both parties. None blinked when I offered 1000 baht and a good time was had.

SL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1898418] I don't believe they are all liars.[/QUOTE]Their job is to try to extract as much money from you as possible Syz. This includes playing to your emotions and trying to convince you that you are one of the "good guys. " It's a game to them. Many punters believe that they are in the know and are immune from being gamed. We are all prey if we choose to be. I would imagine that very few gals get stiffed by punters unless they are not delivering what they agreed upon.

Best value for money in a brothel I have had in a love-you-long time.

Entering the bar, you can sit and have a chat with the affable proprietor / manager. When you are ready to go back, a clap of his hands brings all the available scrambling to the viewing wall. At least that's what I call it. There is a yellow line down the center of the wall. To one side of the line, the girls provide straight sex. On the other side of the line, they will do anal. You choose a girl from one side of the line, and she will choose a companion from the other side. And off the three of you trot to a fairly nicely appointed room (by Thai standards). You will have an obligatory shower, and hit the bed. Each room has a wardrobe of fantasy outfits you can choose for the girls, plenty of lube, condoms, and toys. Drinks are available on demand. Mirrored walls and ceilings provide ample viewing angles for whichever activity you choose, porno are running constantly on the television, and there is no such thing as a "bad idea". Your wish, is their command. And they perform gleefully. Everything I suggested was met with a school girl giggle, and squeal of delight as though it were the first time it had ever been suggested and they were more than eager to give it a whirl. Every girl on roster will do girl on girl without reservation. And to say that I had a great time would be a gross understatement. Did I mention they will take the whole show on the road and do take-out to your hotel? Got to love Eden Club. The only caveat is that when the lineup appears against the wall, you are likely to choose the girl of your immediate dreams. But because she gets to choose her companion, you aren't likely to get two porn star quality girls. One will be the girl who would otherwise rarely be chosen. But she is likely to be the better worker. All in all, I had a blast with both of them and would easily repeat both the establishment and the girls. Nice job, Eden Club. I shall return!

Cheers!

Big fan of it here. I'm just wondering what percentage of freelancers do it or is it particularly hard to find a girl who does? I've had some nights in SE Asia where I've been looking for quite a while until I've found it.

Are most girls OK with it? Freelancers on the street more likely?

What's been your experience?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1898418]I couldn't agree at all. How can one suspect guys that don't pay are rare?[/QUOTE]Actually, Syz, my position and what I am pretty sure Goatscrot was agreeing with here (in fact, I see that he says it outright in his previous post) is not what you stated at all. If you re-examine my posts on the issue as closely as a bargirl's nose, I think you will see that my position is that I suspect guys not paying girls who DID what the customer asked of them, did not bullshit him in the bar and then stiff him in the room or did not suddenly go Jeykll & Hyde on him, bargirls who are essentially "honest" bargirls is rare. If guys stiffing the scammers who make a living saying "yes" to many things in the bar that they fully intend to say "no" to in the room after Lady Drinks and barfines have been paid or girls whose attitudes and interest in participation falls dramatically during that short walk or taxi ride from bar to hotel is becoming less and less rare, then I would be delighted to hear that. That's the way it should be and it would be much better for the honest bargirls, the venues and the customers.

To be more blunt, if guys not paying is becoming less and less rare, I think that speaks volumes about what the modern crop of bargirls considers worthy of payment and they might want to reassess their work habits.

What I do not suspect for one minute is that go-go bars or beer bars where the customer is now being firmly asked for money upfront are doing so because they have suffered a rash of evil cheating customers who refused to pay after they DID get in the room what they asked for or were told they'd get from honest bargirls in the bar. On the contrary, I would suspect such a bar is doing so because they have suffered a rash of scammer bargirls in their employ who pushed their Yes-in-the-bar / No-in-the-room agenda too far, too often, got properly burned for it by a few courageous, right-thinking customers and are now trying to throw a wrong-headed "fix" at it.

I don't merely accept as truthful what the bar or the girls say is the reason for collecting the P4 P money upfront any more than I merely accept as truthful the reason Crazy House is now requiring customers to sign their drink bin on delivery. Of course, they will tell you it is because a rash of evil cheating Crazy House customers tried to run out on their bill or deny they ordered what they clearly ordered. Instead, I strongly suspect the real reason they are doing it is because the Lady Drink hustle at Crazy House got so out of hand among the girls, the "I go dance now" after the Lady Drink was set on the table occurred too often, the unexpected two Lady Drink order instead of one was made unbeknownst to the customer too often and Crazy House had to do something to cut down on what was likely becoming a repeated marathon back-and-forth discussion in a loud go-go bar between the customers and the servers, mamasans, management and maybe even the girls to get it sorted out.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1898508]Their job is to try to extract as much money from you as possible Syz. This includes playing to your emotions and trying to convince you that you are one of the "good guys. " It's a game to them. Many punters believe that they are in the know and are immune from being gamed. We are all prey if we choose to be. I would imagine that very few gals get stiffed by punters unless they are not delivering what they agreed upon.[/QUOTE]They can be very convincing because in a Thai girl's mind it was never their fault. No more than it is ever a Thai taxi driver's fault for not knowing how to get to a certain destination in the city he has been working for 10 years. It was your fault for choosing to go to such a weird place. LOL. A cultural trait really.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1898631]They can be very convincing because in a Thai girl's mind it was never their fault. No more than it is ever a Thai taxi driver's fault for not knowing how to get to a certain destination in the city he has been working for 10 years. It was your fault for choosing to go to such a weird place. LOL. A cultural trait really.[/QUOTE]Ain't it the truth. Accepting responsibility is losing face.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1898622]What I do not suspect for one minute is that go-go bars or beer bars where the customer is now being firmly asked for money upfront are doing so because they have suffered a rash of evil cheating customers who refused to pay after they DID get in the room what they asked for or were told they'd get from honest bargirls in the bar. On the contrary, I would suspect such a bar is doing so because they have suffered a rash of scammer bargirls in their employ who pushed their Yes-in-the-bar / No-in-the-room agenda too far, too often, got properly burned for it by a few courageous, right-thinking customers and are now trying to throw a wrong-headed "fix" at it.

I don't merely accept as truthful what the bar or the girls say is the reason for collecting the P4 P money upfront any more than I merely accept as truthful the reason Crazy House is now requiring customers to sign their drink bin on delivery. Of course, they will tell you it is because a rash of evil cheating Crazy House customers tried to run out on their bill or deny they ordered what they clearly ordered. Instead, I strongly suspect the real reason they are doing it is because the Lady Drink hustle at Crazy House got so out of hand among the girls, the "I go dance now" after the Lady Drink was set on the table occurred too often, the unexpected two Lady Drink order instead of one was made unbeknownst to the customer too often and Crazy House had to do something to cut down on what was likely becoming a repeated marathon back-and-forth discussion in a loud go-go bar between the customers and the servers, mamasans, management and maybe even the girls to get it sorted out.[/QUOTE]In Thailand it is rarely about the customer. There are exceptions, but when it comes down to it consumer protection is not really the order of the day here.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1898622]

What I do not suspect for one minute is that go-go bars or beer bars where the customer is now being firmly asked for money upfront are doing so because they have suffered a rash of evil cheating customers who refused to pay after they DID get in the room what they asked for or were told they'd get from honest bargirls in the bar. On the contrary, I would suspect such a bar is doing so because they have suffered a rash of scammer bargirls in their employ who pushed their Yes-in-the-bar / No-in-the-room agenda too far, too often, got properly burned for it by a few courageous, right-thinking customers and are now trying to throw a wrong-headed "fix" at it.

[/QUOTE]He who holds the money holds the power! This just sounds like a classic power grab from Thai management. The unfortunate thing is that in "todays'" Bangkok the "today's" monger will happily comply.