FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[QUOTE=Catmouse123]I will be hitting FKK for the first time as a newbie. I wanted to know how much money one should bring. I am not some "super stud". I don't cum many times during a night, usually once does it for me. Twice if I've not had sex for a while, and three if it's been a super long time. What amount of money do you suggest to bring as a first time?

Thank you![/QUOTE]
If you factor in entry fee plus three sessions at 50 Euros, you should have enough.

You will need more than this though if you are the type who gets carried away and demands extra services or if you assent to any upsell.

[QUOTE=Catmouse123]I will be hitting FKK for the first time as a newbie. I wanted to know how much money one should bring. I am not some "super stud". I don't cum many times during a night, usually once does it for me. Twice if I've not had sex for a while, and three if it's been a super long time. What amount of money do you suggest to bring as a first time? [/QUOTE]
Depends on what will maximize your pleasure.

For me, given the sub-optimal circumstances (flight fatigue, second-string line-up in the morning) I was concerned that I might not climax with just a regular session - so I upgraded to CIM, which provided enough added zest to get my juices flowing, so to speak.

Another approach would be to accept that you are only going to pop once or twice, but spin that whole process out with extras, like a threesome or lesbi show, or whatever, for added entertainment.

Finally, there is the cost-benefit maximizing model: 75E+50E+50E = 175E

The problem with the latter is that the FKK experience is not as cost-efficient if you are only going for one or two standard sessions - you might get better value with an escort.

FKK is best as a "kid in a candy shop" experience, sampling whatever and as much as you want!

[QUOTE=Catmouse123]I will be hitting FKK for the first time as a newbie. I wanted to know how much money one should bring. I am not some "super stud". I don't cum many times during a night, usually once does it for me. Twice if I've not had sex for a while, and three if it's been a super long time. What amount of money do you suggest to bring as a first time?

Thank you![/QUOTE]

Hey,

As a general rule, I plan on doing three sessions when I go to a club. Often it is more, and often it is less.

Unless I am anticipating a special (read: expensive) encounter with one of my favorites, then I usually bring about three bills into a club, beyond the club's entrance fee.

I figure that takes care of me if I do three extended sessions or session with extras. It also covers me in the unlikely event of a price dispute. This almost never happens and I'm seasoned enough to avoid it, but it never hurts to be prepared. Especially at Palace.

I rarely blow the whole wad (I can already hear a senior ISGer or three laughing) and 150 has more often than not covered a night's festivities. But I try to plan on doing two sessions with established favorites and one with new talent. An established favorite might turn into a longer session.

I would respectfully disagree with Gentleman Traveler's statement about the FKKs being less cost effective for one or two standard sessions than escorts or apartment bordellos. One, maybe. But a standard 30 minute apartment visit is usually between 80 and 100. Often this is with covered oral and in my experience FKK sex standards are considerably better than apartments or escorts. Of course there are exceptions, but the beauty of the FKK is that you can observe a gals presence and attitude, and get a feel for how she will perform in the room.

Otherwise I would agree with all his other sage advice.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[QUOTE=Catmouse123]I will be hitting FKK for the first time as a newbie. I wanted to know how much money one should bring. I am not some "super stud". I don't cum many times during a night, usually once does it for me. Twice if I've not had sex for a while, and three if it's been a super long time. What amount of money do you suggest to bring as a first time?

Thank you![/QUOTE]
I bring as much as I can. I do not let money limit my experience in the clubs. I will session as much as my balls & body can take.

Make up your own budget & go from there.

[QUOTE=Catmouse123]I will be hitting FKK for the first time as a newbie. I wanted to know how much money one should bring. I am not some "super stud". I don't cum many times during a night, usually once does it for me. Twice if I've not had sex for a while, and three if it's been a super long time. What amount of money do you suggest to bring as a first time?

Thank you![/QUOTE]

Fkk's are great...but if you grab your first naked hotty and she goes down on you with great gusto and skill...and within 5 minutes you can't control yourself and cum in her mouth...you will be severely disappointed with the Fkk clubs. She'll probably say after that cum that your done and now owe her 100 euro's. No matter what you try to tell yourself afterwards, that sucks...no pun intended.

Keep the money in your mind when you enter the room...what will cost you more than the 50 euro's/half hour rate? cim, anal, extra time, cum on chest?, 2 girl action?, etc. Keep your mind on both the sex and the wallet.

Keep the cost per girl to 50 euro's per half hour and you can lots of fun without having to cum every time. So bring 300 extra besides the entrance...but keep 100 of that seperate as emergency money in case you need it later.

[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey,

As a general rule, I plan on doing three sessions when I go to a club. Often it is more, and often it is less.

Unless I am anticipating a special (read: expensive) encounter with one of my favorites, then I usually bring about three bills into a club, beyond the club's entrance fee.

I figure that takes care of me if I do three extended sessions or session with extras. It also covers me in the unlikely event of a price dispute. This almost never happens and I'm seasoned enough to avoid it, but it never hurts to be prepared. Especially at Palace.

I rarely blow the whole wad (I can already hear a senior ISGer or three laughing) and 150 has more often than not covered a night's festivities. But I try to plan on doing two sessions with established favorites and one with new talent. An established favorite might turn into a longer session.

I would respectfully disagree with Gentleman Traveler's statement about the FKKs being less cost effective for one or two standard sessions than escorts or apartment bordellos. One, maybe. But a standard 30 minute apartment visit is usually between 80 and 100. Often this is with covered oral and in my experience FKK sex standards are considerably better than apartments or escorts. Of course there are exceptions, but the beauty of the FKK is that you can observe a gals presence and attitude, and get a feel for how she will perform in the room.

Otherwise I would agree with all his other sage advice.

Cheers,

Dedalus[/QUOTE]

I find that an FKK is like eating a fine meal on a dirty plate. The food is good, but the environment (cleanlyness, wait for room, food etc.) leave a bit to be desired.

[QUOTE=Akibono]I find that an FKK is like eating a fine meal on a dirty plate. The food is good, but the environment (cleanlyness, wait for room, food etc.) leave a bit to be desired.[/QUOTE]

Agree...but only if you visit the clubs on their busy days. If you try to arrange your visits on the slower days you can avoid most of these issues.

My problem with FKK's is the boredom between sessions. I don't speak German, and there's only so much food I can eat.

The eye-candy is nice, but it would be great if there were something to do while waiting for the sperm count to recover.

If someone designs an FKK that provides for something to do between lays besides sitting around, they will get a lot of business. Here are some ideas.

1. Naked girl volleyball.
2. Naked girl jump rope contests
3. Foxy Boxing
4. Female mud wrestling
5. Pussy Ping-Pong ball launching.
6. Fake orgasm contest
7. Pin the tail on the hooker (Blindfolded guy with a boner tries for a bulls eye)

You may have guessed I spent some time in Asia. However, if people were having fun between lays it would be a fun place to be and not just a place to get laid and eat a free meal and take a sauna. The Germans are the kings of efficient sex, but they can be a bit boring. Time to push the envelope.

Just my two euros worth.

[QUOTE=Akibono]I find that an FKK is like eating a fine meal on a dirty plate. The food is good, but the environment (cleanlyness, wait for room, food etc.) leave a bit to be desired.[/QUOTE]


Hey Aki (hope your holidays are going well!),

You really think so? Maybe my take is different because I have trod in some pretty dreary places, but I would have a hard time comparing any of the clubs that I have been to (or the clubs that we have both visited together) to a dirty plate. I'll grant you that Oase could clean up their act in the men's changing room and most clubs could do a bit better food-wise, but in generally most clubs do a pretty darn good job of keeping their facilities tidy. No easy task considering that a good number of "Gents" treat theses places with pig-like disrespect. Next time we meet up, I'll tell you some stories that were relayed to me by a staff member at one of the Frankfurt clubs.

I'm with you on the room waits, but a creative Gent can always find a way to make those waits interesting, stimulating and productive.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[QUOTE=Mahaba]My problem with FKK's is the boredom between sessions. I don't speak German, and there's only so much food I can eat.

The eye-candy is nice, but it would be great if there were something to do while waiting for the sperm count to recover.

If someone designs an FKK that provides for something to do between lays besides sitting around, they will get a lot of business. Here are some ideas.

1. Naked girl volleyball.
2. Naked girl jump rope contests
3. Foxy Boxing
4. Female mud wrestling
5. Pussy Ping-Pong ball launching.
6. Fake orgasm contest
7. Pin the tail on the hooker (Blindfolded guy with a boner tries for a bulls eye)

You may have guessed I spent some time in Asia. However, if people were having fun between lays it would be a fun place to be and not just a place to get laid and eat a free meal and take a sauna. The Germans are the kings of efficient sex, but they can be a bit boring. Time to push the envelope.

Just my two euros worth.[/QUOTE]

Hey Mahaba,

Damn funny post, my man! Actually, many is the evening that I have heard a fake orgasm contest, but the other ideas have avoided my radar. The ping-pong idea is an interesting one.

Truthfully, German skills are not necessarily a must for enjoying oneself in between sessions. Most Germans are excellent linguists and are willing, even eager to speak English. There are a few German contributions on this board and they speak and write English on the highest level. Right friendly guys too.

Also many of the girls get their tongues around English well enough to be conversational, even flirty.

The nut-jobs who run Palace will not let Gents play cards, chess or other games in between sessions (myself and another guy nearly got tossed by that bald-headed stooge Klaus at Palace for playing hearts this past summer. No matter that we had about four sessions apiece.) However other clubs are less snooty and more customer friendly in this respect.

In the NRW clubs like GT, LR and VV you can surf the web on your laptop or smart phone, as they have decent Wifi signals. Great for live reporting!

Some clubs like Paradise (Stuttgart) World and Artemis have wellness areas that are pretty sharp.

I'm a bit of a sick dog, and never tire of checking out some good ole' public action in between sets. Oase, Bernd's and Kinos at most clubs satisfy this desire pretty well.

Also, I've met up with a number of pretty neat dudes from this board and others who are grand company in between sessions. Aside from swapping "war stories", joking and often just acting silly, playing 'tween-session-games like "gayest Ipod" with FKK Lover and "You choose my next pop" with Mike D. or "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off the Romanian, then get her to still go with you to the room and deliver hot sex" with a number of crazies here, have been classics. Also laying the groundwork for future sessions for myself and others can be a fun pastime. Gotta a few friends on this board who are pretty happy with me for aiding in their subsequent love-connections.

In short and with all due respect, try harder. We can't blame the really blame the clubs if we are bored between pops, but we can make ourselves more interesting.

Cheers,

Dedalus

This may be consider off topic, given that the forum seems to be devoted to discussions of how much money to take, whether it is appropriate to play cards at an FKK and discussions of club hygiene, but I’m going to post a review. I apologize in advance for the off topic post.

Just to chime in on the current on topics, I take 400-500 Euro to the club in Hesse and 300-400 Euro when in NRW. If you are playing cards with other guys when surrounded by naked women, well I think management is doing you a favor by telling you to knock it off. And for concerns on club hygiene, I suggest PMing this gentleman, determining where he will be, and going somewhere else:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=806203&postcount=3328[/url]

But on to the review. I find myself in Palace at the kick off of my year end fuck fest. I get there about 6PM on Saturday. Pickings are slim, about 15 women, but about 5 of them are on my repeat list. After chilling for the requisite hour, I catch Brazilian Kimmie heading into the Kino. I follow her into the Kino and suggest we get re-acquainted. I had sessioned with Kimmie once before, at the end of the evening, for my fourth or fifth session. Kimmie was a hard worker and a nice lady, but I just didn’t have another pop in me. Anyway, she comes highly recommended by Ortos and a number of other mongers whose opinions I respect. So, I figured a second chance was in order.

A perfectly pleasant session ensues. Good but not toe curling. I think this was a case where the chemistry was not there between Kimmie and I. A pleasant but not great BJ ensued. We fucked in a couple positions, but I had trouble getting a rhythm going that I liked. I let her extract the FT bonus in the end. Now, don’t get me wrong, it was a perfectly pleasant experience, I just have such high expectations by now that anything short of toe curling is a bit of a disappointment.

While relaxing on the couch after my session with Kimmie, a bloke comes out of one of the rooms with a couple of Thai cuties in tow, one of them I recognize. A few minutes later, I am at the bar. Pom, the Thai cutie I recognize comes over and talks to me. She remembers me from over a year ago. I had sessioned with her twice in the same night back then and remembered having really, really enjoyed it. Pom is a spinner, classic tiny pretty Thai girl look. Pom ushers over her friend, Cindy and introduces her. Cindy is also a tiny spinner, cute, but not as pretty as Pom. Pom tells me it is Cindy’s first day and she is somewhat shy about being there. Basically, Pom is saying but not saying, “Please take both of us. I’ve taken her under my wing and would consider it a favor if you would take both of us.” I’ve had exactly two threesomes in my life. One was with two escorts in Montreal and was unsatisfactory. The second was at a blow job bar in Thailand. Not unpleasant, I just would not seek out the experience.

Anyway, I like Pom and figured if I was going to do a threesome, I wanted to do it where I had chemistry with one of the ladies and the other lady was one she was comfortable with. I still needed a little time to recharge and dinner was being served. I told Pom and Cindy to have dinner and find me when they were finished and we would all go to the room together. Pom and Cindy went off and got food, and came and sat with me while eating. A string of about five different guys came up trying to get Pom and/or Cindy;s attention, but each suitor was politely rebuked. Pom and Cindy returned after dropping off their plates and freshening up and off to the room we went. After watching my two Thai cuties put the sheet on the bed, Pom got down on her knees and blew me while Cindy kissed me and I fondled her. Eventually, I lay down on the bed so they could take turns blowing me. Pom’s technique was better than Cindy’s. I enjoyed fingering Cindy (she was getting very wet) while she kissed me as Pom was blowing me. Eventually, I had Cindy fuck me (reverse cowgirl) while I licked Pom. Quite nice as Cindy was very tight. The girls swapped places (and changed condoms). I would have thought the condom change would have been annoying, but every time the condom was changed, Pom would take the opportunity to blow me for a bit between condoms, so I came to rather enjoy the experience. I then started fucking Pom doggie style while Cindy kissed me but fondled Pom. I was digging this for a good long time. I decided to finish fucking Cindy doggie style. One more condom change, with the requisite Pom blow job in between. Pom positioned her face under Cindy’s and they were kissing while Pom was fingering herself giving me a great view of the proceedings. I pounded Cindy for a good long time and was seriously digging the visuals. In the end, I finished in Cindy. There was about 10 minutes left and Cindy and Pom gave me a nice 4 hands massage. Would I repeat, hell yes!

A couple of nice things. Pom and Cindy always spoke to each other in German. I even commented that it was funny that they spoke German to each other instead of Thai. Cindy said to me that it would not be polite for them to speak Thai as I would not understand. Also, when my half hour was up, they asked if I would like to extend. When I declined, they were cool with that. I did ask if they were around tomorrow, because I would have rearranged my plans for a repeat session, but sadly they are not. 100 Euro spent and well worth it.

Moral of the story. You have to try new things every now and then. I’ll probably do more threesomes from time to time when the chemistry is right (between myself and the ladies and the ladies themselves).

While resting, dark haired Russian (or Ukrainian) Elana sits down and hangs with me for a while. We chat for a bit and she tells me a little about her life. Nice girl. I had sessioned with her a few times, mostly Kino BJs. One of the cool things about her was how she behaved during our first session a while back. She had gotten me really turned on during the Kino BJ. I decided to fuck her but mis-judged how close I was to coming. Within about 30 seconds of her getting on top of me, I came. She thought she had done something wrong and was very apologetic. I turns out that we have a good chemistry and she can push my buttons without realizing it. I sessioned with her again later that day and had a great session.

Anyway, I wander into the Kino a bit later and Elena is waiting for me. I really wanted to wait a while longer before sessioning, but Elena came up to me and was giving me a great soft sell (very erotic kissing and touching). A great Kino session followed. Nice BJ followed by fucking. This time I held out more than 30 seconds. Elena knows I am good for the FT bonus so she made sure she ended the session by her blowing me. Ortos, if you are reading this, seek her out (she hangs out with Julia and Irena). You’ll like her.

I decided to end the evening with a Kino BJ from Pom. Not much new to write about here. I remember when sessioning with Pom in the past, I have awarded her the FT bonus so I didn’t ask when the time came. She took the first spurt in the mouth, then backed off (not that there was much more than one spurt as it was my fourth session). At the locker I gave her 50 Euro, and she was happy with that.

A couple of other notes. I chatted with a younger Russian gal, Natasha, who was quite hot looking. I didn’t go with her as I had a stable of regulars penciled in. Later in the evening, I saw her hanging out with Julia and Elena. I’m assuming Julia and Elena have told her of my love of Kino BJs and FT finishes, so she is high on my to-do list for future visits. In clique fucking has its benefits.

The other note is I witnessed an interesting altercation. A bloke was getting a Kino BJ and then tried to back out of the session. The girl invoked management. The guys friends all gathered around trying to intimidate the manager. The manager held her ground that he had to pay (he was welcome to a session with her if he liked, but he could not back out as she had blown him. I didn’t hang around to see the resolution of this dispute as I suspected the big bald duds would be intervening shortly.

After leaving, I took the U-Bahn to my hotel by HBF. I was feeling a bit hungry, so I stopped at Bockenheimer Warte. Stopped in a bar, Doctor Flotte and had a good Jaegerschnitzel with fries and a salad and a couple of Pils. Nothing like a good German meal and a few beers after a fuck fest. Recommended. The bar was a collection of 40s and 50sish Germans singing rock songs from the 70s and 80s. Some of the customers looked like they were the inspiration for the Werner comic. They were a friendly lot, quite welcoming and chatty. The Germans are at their best and friendliest after a few beers. If I hung around, I might have been able to pull a freebee with a 40-50 year old German barfly, not that I was looking for that at that point. Plus, if I was shooting for that level, quality wise, there is always Bernds.

A good evening at Palace. Selection was ok, about 25 girls max as the evening wore on. I don’t think a depleted Sunday lineup will be satisfactory for me today so I’m off to Oase.

Thanks for your well written report Radler...I am sure I will cheat on my Oase girlfriends on my next german tours and visit Palace again.

I am a bit concerned about 25max girls present on Saturday...is that normal during Xmas holidays ? Are then 10 girls to be expected on a Monday ?

Some points I liked a lot about Palace (against Oase) :

1. Food

2. Rooms, in Palace they almost all are nice suites with different themes, and different fucking facilities (Sofas, big pillows, etc.), I really miss that in Oase.

3. Hygiene!!! even if I too have sticked my fingers, tongue and cock in places where probably many wouyld do only with antibacterial suits, I am just not happy with the cleanliness of the facilities in Oase. No big deal for me the rotten smell in the changing rooms, but since it is not a cheap brothel it shouldn't be a big problem to refresh the rooms after each session. After my session with JANA few days ago I really felt sorry for the next couple who was coming in (don't get me wrong, no "gold shower" bullshit, but all other male and female fluids were left, and a lot...).
In this Palace for what I remember is top score, and so are GT and other NRW clubs.

[QUOTE=Bratwurst]Thanks for your well written report Radler...I am sure I will cheat on my Oase girlfriends on my next german tours and visit Palace again.

I am a bit concerned about 25max girls present on Saturday...is that normal during Xmas holidays ? Are then 10 girls to be expected on a Monday ?

Some points I liked a lot about Palace (against Oase) :

1. Food

2. Rooms, in Palace they almost all are nice suites with different themes, and different fucking facilities (Sofas, big pillows, etc.), I really miss that in Oase.

3. Hygiene!!! even if I too have sticked my fingers, tongue and cock in places where probably many wouyld do only with antibacterial suits, I am just not happy with the cleanliness of the facilities in Oase. No big deal for me the rotten smell in the changing rooms, but since it is not a cheap brothel it shouldn't be a big problem to refresh the rooms after each session. After my session with JANA few days ago I really felt sorry for the next couple who was coming in (don't get me wrong, no "gold shower" bullshit, but all other male and female fluids were left, and a lot...).
In this Palace for what I remember is top score, and so are GT and other NRW clubs.[/QUOTE]I agree with you about the difference of hygiene between Palace and Oase. But I want to underline the fucking shower in Palace. Everytime cold and the duration of every push is about seven second. Why they have a so great attention to all the things and they fall in shower area?

[QUOTE=Bratwurst]I am a bit concerned about 25max girls present on Saturday...is that normal during Xmas holidays ? Are then 10 girls to be expected on a Monday ?[/QUOTE]

Pickings will be slim on Monday and Tuesday. I would expect about 10 girls on Monday and Tuesday.

[QUOTE=Glonoinum]I agree with you about the difference of hygiene between Palace and Oase. But I want to underline the fucking shower in Palace. Everytime cold and the duration of every push is about seven second. Why they have a so great attention to all the things and they fall in shower area?[/QUOTE]

Shower sucks, no doubt about it. I really don't care too much as it is a small price to pay. The shower is about priority 11 on my top ten FKK issues.