Kyiv

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Kent...the girls at the strip club aren't all that good. ......If you pay for the taxi, buy me an orange juice and if I'm not busy that night I'd be happy to take you.[/QUOTE]I'll spring for metro, YOU will buy the Pivko, and WE can both get BUSY!

PM me if ya are UP to it!

LS GUY

To refund or not to refund, this is the dilemma. This is exactly the problem that I mean. Customer and prostitute must comply with the agreement. At last, somebody tells about his bad experiences.

The right behaviour, the behaviour of longtime mongers that I know here in italy, is to ask for partial or total refund about money for sex and money for hotel, if it occurs, otherwise mongers could decide or take prostitute to police or bring back money with the force or have the same behaviour of pimps (you know what I mean).

This is very hard in a country where there is no clear border between people and criminals.

And then why, why, why have customers to pay before the service? I sometimes paid after the service in italy.

Maybe I am boring but I remember the main purpose of the life of a prostitute is to cheat customers for money.

Maybe I am silly but when we find our favourite prostitute, the cheapest agreement is to marry her, at least for some years.

Ciao

I already have a pensioner pass for the metro. Don't you?

[QUOTE=LifeSavour]I'll spring for metro[/QUOTE]

AC, if you don't like the Ukraine why do you come? If you don't like prostitutes why do you use them?

I was in River Palace a few nights ago. It wasn't very busy with the women outnumbering the men by about 3 to 1. It was about 1:30 and I was talking to a nice brunette whose name was Yulia. She was quite friendly and we chatted for a few minutes at the bar before moving to a seat. I bought her a drink and we chatted a bit more before the topic came around to money. I casually asked how much and she said that all the girls asked for $500. I just about spit out my drink. She said it with such a straight face and seriousness. I told her that she was wrong and that I would not pay that much. With that, not even negitiating, she picked up her drink, thanked me and left. Not that was fine with me but I know she did not go home with anyone that night because I saw her leave about an hour later with a girlfriend. I was walking out with a very attractive blond who started off asking for $200. She turned out to be quite nice and a lot of fun.

Just a warning to anyone going to RP, they keep setting the money higher even when the the girls outnumber the guys 3 to 1. I guess they are not really interested in making money as they are pricing themselves out of the market.

PIT

Please, read my post and don't flame yourself. Are you a perfect person? Is your country a perfect country? So it is everybody and everywhere. Also you should know honesty and sincerity are not qualities just for stupid people and you should know there is a limit for everything and everybody.

At last somebody talked about prostitutes' cheatings. Just talking about prostitutes (and not about women in general), cheatings are the main work of prostitutes' job. Everybody knows that.

You could pretend not to see cheatings, because for example prostitutes and you have the same mindset and you like their dirty game, but cheatings do exist and they are in prostitutes' behaviour.

This is a problem and we need to find a solution. Your post is not a solution but it is another problem because you want to hide the problem. Ok, let us to have another step forward: a prostitute doesn't comply the agreement, what can we do now? How can we avoid to waste money and time in that little time (one minute? ) in which we understand a prostitute is cheating us?

Master mongers don't think about this problem anymore because their behaviour has adapted to prostitutes' behaviour.

But what about the others? When you save a beginner, you save a little of your money because you stop people to inflation the market of pussy in ukraine and former USSR.

Everybody sees what has happening in this last year: before it was easy to find a sponsor girl for 500$/week or maybe 500$/month, now almost all prostitutes start from 60-100$/hour. (I knew an ukrainian man who introduced to me a prostitute for 40$/hour) of course we negotiate but it shouldn't be always so hard because our time is for fucking and not for negotiating, to negotiate before the service, negotiate during the service and negotiate after the service.

I know there is a difference between sponsor girl and prostitute but when a sponsor girl understands she could earn 10 times more for work 10 times less, she probably becomes a prostitute.

(when ukrainian prostitutes in italy know prostitutes' prices in kiev, I think they will go back to their country)

I like ukraine and I would like a lasting relationship with an ukrainian/russian girl. My knowledge of prostitution world and hardcore sex is just my present hobby.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]AC, if you don't like the Ukraine why do you come? If you don't like prostitutes why do you use them? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PassinThrough]I was in River Palace a few nights ago. It wasn't very busy with the women outnumbering the men by about 3 to 1. It was about 1:30 and I was talking to a nice brunette whose name was Yulia. She was quite friendly and we chatted for a few minutes at the bar before moving to a seat. I bought her a drink and we chatted a bit more before the topic came around to money. I casually asked how much and she said that all the girls asked for $500.

PIT[/QUOTE]Is River Palace a club just frequented by these types of girls or more of a brothel?

Also was the $200 you paid for the whole night?

Sorry for the probably newbie questions but I am new to this area so looking to get more info.

How do Russians impose on these people?

[QUOTE=Hecker]MT was thinking maybe like this.To be locked for the whole night costs more than this Italian paid.If I accept it,he will win.But I have to win.So I will take his caviar to balance in my favour.

All this wining-losing mentality and the struggle in Ukraine can be a headache.The Russians only really how to impose on these people.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PassinThrough]I was in River Palace a few nights ago. It wasn't very busy with the women outnumbering the men by about 3 to 1. It was about 1:30 and I was talking to a nice brunette whose name was Yulia. She was quite friendly and we chatted for a few minutes at the bar before moving to a seat. I bought her a drink and we chatted a bit more before the topic came around to money. I casually asked how much and she said that all the girls asked for $500. I just about spit out my drink. She said it with such a straight face and seriousness. I told her that she was wrong and that I would not pay that much. With that, not even negitiating, she picked up her drink, thanked me and left. Not that was fine with me but I know she did not go home with anyone that night because I saw her leave about an hour later with a girlfriend. I was walking out with a very attractive blond who started off asking for $200. She turned out to be quite nice and a lot of fun.

Just a warning to anyone going to RP, they keep setting the money higher even when the the girls outnumber the guys 3 to 1. I guess they are not really interested in making money as they are pricing themselves out of the market.

PIT[/QUOTE]Hi PassinThrough!!

I put in a report in December about RP prices and how many girls think it is now quite the norm to ask for $500 for the night,not only that if you pick up one of the girls who is a pro then sex can become quite mechanical for her,think you got lucky in that you may have picked up girl who only goes up there occasionally just to help pay bills or buy something nice for herself,but if you go up there enough then you easily get to know the ones who are there most nights. The other problem is that Kiev is expanding as place for business ,so many business guys who may be staying in Kiev for 2-3 nights are now tending to go there more than ever and they do not care as much in what they pay girl.Some guy joked to me when i was in RP one month ago,he said i have nice wife at home but she is 45 not into sex that much anymore and if you can come to a place like RP and find some gorgeous 20 year old blonde who you can fuck her brains out for a night without worrying about being caught by any friends or the missus back home,then you are not going to haggle to much in what you pay for a girl.

Of giving! I am going to share my 100%. Has never missed – SCORING maneuver!

Back in the ‘states’ I used to always chat up a gal talking about her shoes, they loved it!

Here in Kyiv, it has evolved to this: find a gal that has beautiful fingers, with exquisite manicured nails (better yet if they were done by her! ).

After ‘breaking the ice’ and spending some ‘close’ time in café OR apartment, take her hand and bring it close to you.

"Yana, your nails are so stylish, sexy just like the shoes (boots) you wear" Do this while rubbing the nails of the 1st & middle finger with your thumb. Look into her eyes, smile.

"Your fingers are so nice just like your silky smooth legs. " Now you are moving up from the nails with your thumb. The look in her eyes will have changed from wonderment to acceptance!

Now pull her hand to your lips and kiss it, perhaps bite it? (you be the judge)

Look into her eyes and tell her. "but this is where I really want to be! " And take her hand, bring it close again and ‘lick’ right where the two fingers meet her palm! Then immediately take her into your arms and kiss her.

She will absolutely melt. Her pussy will be DRENCHED, and she is yours for the taking!

If you know Russian, you will UNDERSTAND the psychology in this. GOOD LUCK!

A holiday gift from FAWKING Bastard

LS Guy!

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]How do Russians impose on these people?[/QUOTE]If we could describe it how on the net,then many westerners would not have any problem becoming millionaires since they would impose on Ukrainians on negotiations.It is not a simple thing,you need a different kind of culture to communicate with them which only Russians have.Russians can understand them,we cannot.

The tricks Ukrainians use are known to the Russians,so they know how to cope up with them.Since they are smarter than Ukrainians,they usually win.Russian tricks and blackmails are far more advanced.

If you want to deepen into the situation(which I do not find very interesting),you could socialize with some Russians and ask them their opinion about chochli.They will tell you some things to enlighten you.

Hallo everybody,

It's second time I go to Kiev, I like it very much! I have been of course in RP, but it was christmas time, lot of turists, not so many girls. The girl I left with was asking me 250 dollars for 2 hours! I gave her and I enjoy (as she enjoy a lot) all kind of positions!

Anyway next time I want to get some contacts before, using the net; I read about some of you using flirt. Ua and other meeting site in russian, but I don't speak RUSSIAN! So I'm trying to use RBRIDES.

RBRIDES

Does someone know if girls there are true? Or all scammers?

Thank you. See you soon in RP.

AC,

You sent me PM, Your message box is full!

Here's my reply.

Nastia lives in Dnipro.
She visits Kiev when I invite her.
She's 80% nice, 20% *****.
Her favourite hobby is 3somes.
She isn't a prostitiute so she doesn't have "services".
She looks for a rich man to take care of her.
Her tits are fantastic.
She expects to be fucked whenever you want.
She is not ITALIAN.

IL

Aussie Greg,

I am curious why you would be looking for a women in the Ukraine when there are so many gorgeous women in Colombia?

IMHO, Latin women are also so much easier to deal with and far more loyal than their eastern european couterparts. What possesed you to marry a Russian when I'm sure you had countless options in Medellin?

I don't mean to be contrary, I'm just curious about your motivation.

A little about Ukraine/Russian mentality, when I first moved here nearly 3 years ago I met a young man who spoke good English and told me, I quote "you may in time understand the Russian language and speak the Russian language very well, you will never understand the Russian mind" In my experience this kid "hit the nail on the head".
Before Perostrika there was 9 loaves of bread and 10 people wanted, now there are still 10 people but many loaves of bread, many Ukraine people refuse to move from the past to the present market conditions and forget the basic rules of business (if money is waved under your nose grab it quick because if you don't somebody else will)!
We experience these attitudes everyday in life here, not too sure if you can change it, but you can vote with your feet and go elsewhere?
snovim godom


[QUOTE=PassinThrough]I was in River Palace a few nights ago. It wasn't very busy with the women outnumbering the men by about 3 to 1. It was about 1:30 and I was talking to a nice brunette whose name was Yulia. She was quite friendly and we chatted for a few minutes at the bar before moving to a seat. I bought her a drink and we chatted a bit more before the topic came around to money. I casually asked how much and she said that all the girls asked for $500. I just about spit out my drink. She said it with such a straight face and seriousness. I told her that she was wrong and that I would not pay that much. With that, not even negitiating, she picked up her drink, thanked me and left. Not that was fine with me but I know she did not go home with anyone that night because I saw her leave about an hour later with a girlfriend. I was walking out with a very attractive blond who started off asking for $200. She turned out to be quite nice and a lot of fun.

Just a warning to anyone going to RP, they keep setting the money higher even when the the girls outnumber the guys 3 to 1. I guess they are not really interested in making money as they are pricing themselves out of the market.

PIT[/QUOTE]

Well after spending about 4 days working in Kharkov (with no mongering to report except that the door man late at night at my hotel was asking if I wanted girls. Unlucky for me, I was walking in with my manager and coudn't partake! Damn timing! ) anyway, I am now in Kiev with a friend who flew in from Miami to experience the women here.

Unfortunatly the night was not good. Started out at Arena Brewpub for some food and some drinks. My friend ended up having his camera stolen from inside his jacket (that he hung from the chair next to him). Crazy!

So after that we took a taxi to RiverPalace. Place is interesting setup and we set ourselves at a table and ordered a bottle of vodka (man that stuff is cheap here). Then we started to chat up the ladies. Just like some of the more recent notes I have to say "ARE THESE WOMEN CRAZY! " I mean they started off with $500 at the cost. I couldn't help but laugh and I told them that I can get a lot cheaper than that in the U. S. [going rate right now in Vegas is $250-300 for a hot chick]. I couldn't believe it. And for us (we travel to Panama, Brazil, Dominican Republic, and Colubmia) it was a joke. In fact my friend just got back from Columbia banging some of the most beautiful women I have ever seen for $50-100 if he had to pay at all.

I tried not to be discouraged and said ok, so there are a few crazy chicks they can't all be that bad. Unfortunately it was pretty much the same. My friend finally got 1 (beautiful) girl for $300. I just shook my head and would not add to this growing since of over-evaluation. I ended up talking to this only half-decent girl (seriously, she should have wanted to pay me) and she also was no less than $250. In the end I just laughed and walked away with way too much Vodka in my system! Oh well I had to taste something Ukranian! 8-)

Anyway all I ended up with was a nice hangover. Just to add, my friend had his girl and I think it lasted maybe 30 minutes. Said she was all business and was just ready to leave afterwards. Probably going back to RP to find another sucker just like himself!

So I think I may have to try the more local fare and not P4P. I am getting so many looks from the girls just walking the streets I think I may be better off this way.

But I do have questions. Anyone have any recommendations on good shopping areas? I want to go buy one of those fur Russian hats. Those things are cool and look really warm. Also. Anyone going to Arena for the NFL playoff games? I gotta watch my Cowboys defeat the Giants!

Thanks in advance!

US

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