Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2051605]Yeah I just was asking about these crackdowns. Read about it in Pattaya news. Most said nothing to worry about. Beginning to think I should of did more days in BKK. Wish I would of waited a little longer. Just booked Avani. Hopefully, it calms down.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya;2050703]End of LDS? WTF!!?

This is Armageddon!

I heard the same form one of my girls about Ibar. Says it closes sometimes between 2 to 4 AM these days.

Some good intel on what Ibar looks like under this new regime would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]




Guys, stop with the crackdown nonsense. All reports show things business as usual. Pattaya is so full of P4 P options, you will never have to worry about how to find a willing companion. Yes some Soi 6 bars may open a little later and police are cracking down on the street walkers on BR. So what. This krap about no prostitution is no different than any other time in the past. Just go to the bar, choose your girl, and bar fine her. Take her back to your hotel and do your thing. Now if you are so stupid to discuss the tiny details of what specific sex acts you want to do with the lady in an open bar for everyone to see and hear, then maybe you deserve to get busted.

Anyways, go to the beer bars, Soi 6, discos such as I bar, insomnia and the Pattaya Hollywood for freelancers. Use we chat, bee talk, Badoo, and Thai Friendly, there are thousands of ladies on the peaople nearby list. The go go bars on LK Metro, walking street. Get a dirty massage with plenty of fucking from one of the thousands of shops big and small. There are G clubs and hostess bars for the more discerning gentlemen. Pattaya will never be dead and P4 P will always be alive and kicking here.

So stop posting this shit about crackdowns, changing plans and so on. Enjoy Pattaya for all it's worth because it is business as usual for 90% of the bars, massage shops, discos, and beer bars.

Oh and by the way, I think it's hilarious when the members come on here and complain about having to buy lady drinks for the girls and then when they hear a silly rumour that lady drinks can no longer be sold, they complain about that too. You would think they would be happy about that lol.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2051507]I have no clue what that means. I can only guess.[/QUOTE]So maybe you should study English and then read the forum section on abbreviations. That might help you to understand.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2051727]So maybe you should study English and then read the forum section on abbreviations. That might help you to understand.[/QUOTE]Do you own this forum? What right do you have to tell others what to do? I am waiting for a response, because apparently I'm not breaking any rules. So I will continue to ignore you.

[QUOTE=Xfreak0000;2051535]I am not sure what hot girls means by the people who paid only 1500 for L / T because now the lowest rate is at least 2000 2500.[/QUOTE]Yes I wonder that too, in GoGo bars, girls with olive skin are very accessible. They're mostly gorgeous and it is like they have all taken LSD their service levels are so high. It is really only the white skinned one's catering to the Chinese that will refuse and I have to wonder why travel to Thailand for white skinned girls? Makes no sense.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2051745]Do you own this forum? What right do you have to tell others what to do? I am waiting for a response, because apparently I'm not breaking any rules. So I will continue to ignore you.[/QUOTE]What the hell? It was my bloody post you quoted and my response was very easy to understand. Others understood it. So I gues I will have to spoon feed you then. YMMV means the girl will do it if she likes you. And my experience was in another city in Thailand. Economics means prices will vary depending on the city you are mongering in. So where 1,500 Baht may not buy you a hottie in one city, it may be more than enough money in another city. However, I posted it in the Pattaya thread because there was a lot of discussions about Thai Friendly and Chat apps so I wanted to give a good example to the members on how good they all can be. Now do you understand? If not then get google translate out and translate it into Your own language.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2051756]What the hell? It was my bloody post you quoted and my response was very easy to understand. Others understood it.[/QUOTE]Ok Mr Grumpy pants.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2051756]What the hell? It was my bloody post you quoted and my response was very easy to understand. Others understood it. So I gues I will have to spoon feed you then. YMMV means the girl will do it if she likes you. And my experience was in another city in Thailand. However, I posted it in the Pattaya thread because there was a lot of discussions about Thai Friendly and Chat apps so I wanted to give a good example to the members on how good they all can be. Now do you understand? If not then get google translate out and translate it into Your own language.[/QUOTE]Ah okay, my fault didn't realise you were so stunningly handsome! 1500 baht ! less than the price of a nice dinner :)

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2051759]Ah okay, my fault didn't realise you were so stunningly handsome! 1500 baht ! less than the price of a nice dinner :)[/QUOTE]Maybe if you RTFF you would know what the hell you were talking about. If you are jealous that you can't score freebies or YMMV, don't make stupid ass comments to the other members because they can. This is one of the many reasons that Indian punters are not well liked in Thailand by the ladies and unfortunakty you are allowing this same feeling to spill over into the forum and pretty soon you will get the same treatment here by us that you get when you try to enter a bar and they tell you members only.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2051721]Guys, stop with the crackdown nonsense. All reports show things business as usual. [/QUOTE]You seem to have a problem with any negative reports. Every report has to be very positive, it just makes me question your objectivity. I originally thought you just liked to humble-brag, which is cute, everyone has their own personality traits and I find that variety in life interesting. But now I actually question the objectivity of your reports. So the point of the forum is to share intell (free of charge at that) and use it accordingly, not to obfuscate reality or sugar-coat it. There are so many beer bar managers spitting out this garbage about how things are great (regardless of reality, no objectivity), but the more bad things get, the *more* they lie about how great things are for P4 P, quality-wise. Because their business numbers are down, rent is due, and they are under pressure to oversell how amazing a trip to Pattaya is. Can you maybe not attack those who have intell to share?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2051721]Yes some Soi 6 bars may open a little later[/QUOTE]It used to be that you could go there at 1:30 and by then all the non-freelance girls would be working. Now it's not until 6 pm that the full roster is available. That's a stark difference.

It also appears obvious that you are arguing with everyone, trying to derail the discussion about Pattaya crack downs. You're not even in Pattaya, haven't been in awhile, and showed up minutes after the topic was about Pattaya crackdowns. You then try to change the topic with a field report from Bangkok, use troll baiting tactics to insults newbies about how they can't achieve what you did in your report, and are still at it, trying to change the topic about the crackdowns again. You're also still engaging in bickering, as a way to derail the discussion about crackdowns.

So, you don't like discussions about crackdowns. Ok, I normally give you the benefit of the doubt that you want productive reports, and I would respect that if that were the case. However, I doubt it is, as you yourself just posted 1-2 pages of nonsense bickering and petty immature arguing with board members.

I think I've said this before but; When I was there, Soi 6 was complete rubbish, only good for a bit of a laugh and cheap sex. Some of the girls who were cute but not FKK or WS quality. Certainly not worth the trip to Thailand for Soi 6 alone. I'd say 70% of the girls on Soi 6 were ugly. But hey, it's cheap. Walking Street was on the other hand, was where I did my serious mongering and with good quality girls. Definitely worth the trip and was good value for money.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2051788]I think I've said this before but; When I was there, Soi 6 was complete rubbish, only good for a bit of a laugh and cheap sex. Some of the girls who were cute but not FKK or WS quality. Certainly not worth the trip to Thailand for Soi 6 alone. I'd say 70% of the girls on Soi 6 were ugly. But hey, it's cheap. Walking Street was on the other hand, was where I did my serious mongering and with good quality girls. Definitely worth the trip and was good value for money.[/QUOTE]I agree. It is very hit or miss. But I think around 70% of the time I have found a good girl or two and it has been a lot of fun. The other 20% I go someplace else. You have to do a lot of walking up and down that soi. LOL.

I try to hit it once a trip at least. It worked out for me well last trip as I found a very nice girl at Red Point that I found very attractive and had really good sex with. I ended up repeating with her. My buddy Illusionhreart also shagged a really love girl there during our visit.

The trip before that one short visit and I left empty handed.

It was very good in last Summer as there were a couple of really nice girls at Nightwish. They are gone now.

So worth a visit. But don't have high expectations going there.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2051782]You seem to have a problem with any negative reports. Every report has to be very positive, it just makes me question your objectivity. I originally thought you just liked to humble-brag, which is cute, everyone has their own personality traits and I find that variety in life interesting. But now I actually question the objectivity of your reports. So the point of the forum is to share intell (free of charge at that) and use it accordingly,[/QUOTE]I for one understand what Bkkdog is saying. Guys are acting like it is the end of Pattaya and they have to change their trip plans because one bar closes or has different operating hours. There are so many ways to get laid in Pattaya that it should not make a difference. But guys are acting like if they can't go to a certain place at a certain time then all hope is lost for getting pussy. As I have said before all you have to do is walk outside and talk to a girl. You don't need to buy lady drinks or pay bar fines in Pattaya. It is like shooting fish in a barrel. But I guess some guys can't function unless someone else shoots the fish for them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2051864]I for one understand what Bkkdog is saying. Guys are acting like it is the end of Pattaya and they have to change their trip plans because one bar closes or has different operating hours. There are so many ways to get laid in Pattaya that it should not make a difference. But guys are acting like if they can't go to a certain place at a certain time then all hope is lost for getting pussy. As I have said before all you have to do is walk outside and talk to a girl. You don't need to buy lady drinks or pay bar fines in Pattaya. It is like shooting fish in a barrel. But I guess some guys can't function unless someone else shoots the fish for them.[/QUOTE]The problem is that I personally found Pattaya to be perfectly priced with very little room for arbitrage. If you pay 1000 baht, you get a 1000 baht girl. If BKK has awesome skills with the ladies and can get a 6000 baht girl for 1500 baht, that's awesome for him, but it won't reflect reality for the majority of mongers.

I very strongly found that the only girls who make a trip to Thailand worthwhile are in the GoGo bars. I simply don't know where else you find well made 20 year old Thai ladies who will fuck for money.

The problem is that I noticed that many girls would only go with Japanese, Korean or Chinese men and now another problem is that there seems to be an effort to shut down GoGo bars entirely. So it's worth discussing.

The other thing is that I enjoy the party environment. I like being able to sit around, have a drink and slap girls on the ass and grab their boobs. If I just sit in my hotel and order ladies, it is still good, but not as good. My last trip was outright magical. If there are no GoGos, then the next trip won't be as magical. It is important that the GoGo bars are operational. This forum is how we get intel on that.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2051885]I very strongly found that the only girls who make a trip to Thailand worthwhile are in the GoGo bars. I simply don't know where else you find well made 20 year old Thai ladies who will fuck for money.[/QUOTE]But you act like all chicks that work in gogos are mystically transported from their rooms to the gogos. They are not. They go out and eat and shop and do everything else like everybody else. There are even a few living in my building. Maybe you are getting wrapped up in the gogo itself and not the girls. As you said you like the party aspect, so maybe it is the lights, alcohol, and outfits that are making you think the girls are really more than they are. Why not approach those same girls when they are out in the daytime? You would definitely save a ton on barfines, lady drinks, and I am sure you will even have to give less than 6000 baht to the girl.

There is something about the personalities of many ISG guys that cause them to overreact.

I made one of my biggest mistakes ever because of it. I had a trip booked to Rio. I wasn't that thrilled about the hassle of applying for a Visa, so when several of the Termas got closed and the ISG guys said that was the beginning of the end of mongering in Rio, I took advantage of an airline schedule change and rebooked for free to another country in South America. The mongering in that other country was terrible and of course by the time I took the trip, Rio was completely back to normal. It was just a shakedown apparently for the government / police to get more money from the Termas.

Thailand is full of family friendly beach resorts, and it shows up in the scene being more hidden in Phuket. Pattaya of course gets some open minded traveling families and those are some fortunate kids who get to see some things other kids don't. But the infrastructure just isn't there to turn the place into Phuket or that other beach area nearer Bangkok (I think it begins with an H) that gets older, non mongerering, older travelers. The good beaches in Pattaya require a ferry ride, and all the good activities that appeal to both mongering guys and families (Elephant riding, fishing, wild animal parks) are available equally in Pattaya and in more traditional family areas of Thailand.

There is no logical reason for decision makers in Pattaya to make significant changes. This is just some minor publicity stunt that will be forgotten about in a few weeks.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2051897]The mongering in that other country was terrible and of course by the time I took the trip, Rio was completely back to normal. It was just a shakedown apparently for the government / police to get more money from the Termas.[/QUOTE]I moved from Rio to Pattaya 7 years ago. Today's Rio is definitely not the normal Rio that I knew. But I guess it is the same as the old Pattaya guys saying that Pattaya has gone downhill, when to me it is business as usual.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2051897]I made one of my biggest mistakes ever because of it. I had a trip booked to Rio. I wasn't that thrilled about the hassle of applying for a Visa, so when several of the Termas got closed and the ISG guys said that was the beginning of the end of mongering in Rio, I took advantage of an airline schedule change and rebooked for free to another country in South America. The mongering in that other country was terrible and of course by the time I took the trip, Rio was completely back to normal. It was just a shakedown apparently for the government / police to get more money from the Termas.[/QUOTE]I just finished updating my preferred list for Brazil. I have to say that the options abound, and that Brazil is still an excellent mongering destinations, and still the best in the world for me based on my personal tastes. Things looked dire for awhile, but for mongers they're looking better each and every day. Exchange rate is also looking good right now!

The Cheap Charlie Chronicles just published this 11 minute YouTube snapshot of Pattaya Walking Street about 12 hours ago:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDxvsJ9y0II[/URL]

I don't know what time this video was taken, but life in this Walking Street video certainly seems a lot more subdued than I am used to seeing in Pattaya Walking Street videos.

Was this video simply taken at a bad time of the night or are things really that subdued right now in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2051788]I think I've said this before but; When I was there, Soi 6 was complete rubbish, only good for a bit of a laugh and cheap sex. Some of the girls who were cute but not FKK or WS quality. Certainly not worth the trip to Thailand for Soi 6 alone. I'd say 70% of the girls on Soi 6 were ugly. But hey, it's cheap. Walking Street was on the other hand, was where I did my serious mongering and with good quality girls. Definitely worth the trip and was good value for money.[/QUOTE]That's certainly what it seemed like to me. When I was in Pats last summer, I walked up and down Soi 6 a few times on a couple of different days. I didn't really see any girls that I wanted to fuck. I had a few girls run out into the street and try to pull me into a bar, but the pushiness made me want to walk.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2051721]Guys, stop with the crackdown nonsense. All reports show things business as usual. Pattaya is so full of P4 P options, you will never have to worry about how to find a willing companion.[/QUOTE]Here here. Exactly. I have concerns, but even if Soi 6 bars never open until 6 PM and all will refuse upstairs activities, and regardless of LDs, Pattaya will still be the premier place to go for mongering. I am already planning my 6th trip for the last half of October and first part of November. I am likely to get wet in October, but I have other unbreakable plans for mid-November, so I am pretty much stuck with October / November. Anyway, I am not traveling 12 time zones expecting the city to be shut down.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2051979]The Cheap Charlie Chronicles just published this 11 minute YouTube snapshot of Pattaya Walking Street about 12 hours ago:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDxvsJ9y0II[/URL]

I don't know what time this video was taken, but life in this Walking Street video certainly seems a lot more subdued than I am used to seeing in Pattaya Walking Street videos.

Was this video simply taken at a bad time of the night or are things really that subdued right now in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]The earlier closing times is a gods gift. So much more pussy on the streets after closing time that it is not too difficult to score for a way lower price than before. That is also why I love the up country midnight closing times so much. Less spending on LD's and more quality time before I go asleep.

[QUOTE=Xfreak0000;2051535]I am not sure what hot girls means by the people who paid only 1500 for L / T because now the lowest rate is at least 2000 2500.[/QUOTE]You assume that the lowest rate you get is the lowest rate.

Perhaps you just need to act a bit less horny? I bring a mate to PTY about once a year. Not an inexperienced monger by any means, but unfortunately in the discos he has got "horny" written all over his forehead and he constantly gets quoted 2-2. 5, no budging.

When you are negotiating with a used car dealer, do you tell him how hot the car is and how much you want to drive it home now?

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2051979]Was this video simply taken at a bad time of the night or are things really that subdued right now in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Since the lights are off and there is a car driving on Walking Street, this video was shot after Walking Street CLOSED. I asked a gogo girl how Pattaya was now. Her reply "This is low low season".

I can't stay up until 3 am. Usually go to bed then, in Pattaya. Ideally, go to sleep 12.

So, finally I got my lazy ass off to contribute with a report! I guess what's what Thailand ISGers do in the afternoon LOL.

Landed at DMK airport and the immigration / passport control was a clusterfuck of chaos. Several hundreds of people were there in a small hall without any line divider or directions with huge Chinese tour groups with little sense of lining up or personal space. It took close to two hours to get through the passport control. Once I got out was surrounded by taxi mobs. After a bargain hunt, a seedy looking guy called 1600 THB, which I settled on, but then he led me to underground parking lot and put me in a tiny beat up Corolla. I guess it wasn't so smart of me. But then he took me to his garage and switched to a better SUV. Next time, I think I'll take Uber.

It took quite long to get to Pattaya, but finally got there, checked into a nice hotel. Siam at Siam. Thanks to ISG, I got connected to one of the member whom I had arranged to go bar-hopping together. The traffic was pretty bad, so he suggest I take a motorbike to meet him at LK Metro. It was quite an adventure and a miracle that I didn't fall off, but I eventually met my wingman at Touch Agogo. On the way, I wanted to pickup a blue pill to help my performance to overcome jet lag. I've tried few pharmacy where they gave me to look and shook head. Hmm I thought they gave it like candies here. Finally found a seedy-looking place where they generic 4-packs at 900 THB. At 9:00 PM, many places around LK Metro was practically void of customers. Line up wasn't all that great and the girls looked line in late 20's and 30's. We went through several bars then went over to Walking Street. It looked alot more livery there and girls were better looking. And you guys were right. Agogo girls were pretty hot and I could find at least one 9's and above per bars that we've visited.

We wanted to get two girls and fuck together / swap, but most girls were not up for it. In fact, many girls who would oggle us would say flat out NO when we asked for a foursome. We must went through close to 10 bars looking for two girls until around 2:00 AM, my buddy were able to butter up a mamasan to find girls who are willing to do a foursome. But at some point, the deal went from getting a girl each to getting TWO girls per guy. A sixsome MFFMFF! Talk about feeling like a gangsta! He also booked a nice hotel with jacuzzi where we can all join in. The girls would not BBBJ but that's understandable given the crowd.

Viagra wasn't really kicking in or I was way too tired I knew I only had, but I was able to fuck all four girls. My buddy, who took Cialis, was going at girls like a jack rabbit well after I was done, and then immediately passed out. I guess he gave it all LOL. I spent time chatting with the girls and ordering a roomservice for food. I thought about going for another shot in the morning, but the girls looked so worn out, I didn't have the heart to wake them up. Eventually we all got up and said farewells.

No BBBJ? That is not good. When I was there, all the girls would BBBJ, I just made sure to mention it first. They all did CIM too, just make sure to mention it first.

One question. A few of the Agogo girl that I connected really well, after all that ogling and lady drinks, when it came to bar fining them, said they cannot come with me today. Did get scammed or can it really happen that the girls inside Agogo may not be available for LT?

I wake them up, IMHO, they expect it. And you paid for it, so why not? I woke one of mine up and she kept saying "jeep jeep" I was thinking to myself "what is jeep?" then the next day I realised she was saying "sleep, sleep".

[QUOTE=Mander;2052192]One question. A few of the Agogo girl that I connected really well, after all that ogling and lady drinks, when it came to bar fining them, said they cannot come with me today. Did get scammed or can it really happen that the girls inside Agogo may not be available for LT?[/QUOTE]You got scammed.

You shouldn't be paying more than 200 for a generic 4 pack of viagra. They call it Sidegra. And you don't need to go to a seedy place to get it. Try a real pharmacy, and just ask for it by name.

[QUOTE=Mander;2052187]
It took quite long to get to Pattaya, but finally got there, checked into a nice hotel. Siam at Siam. Thanks to ISG, I got connected to one of the member whom I had arranged to go bar-hopping together. The traffic was pretty bad, so he suggest I take a motorbike to meet him at LK Metro. It was quite an adventure and a miracle that I didn't fall off, but I eventually met my wingman at Touch Agogo. On the way, I wanted to pickup a blue pill to help my performance to overcome jet lag. I've tried few pharmacy where they gave me to look and shook head. Hmm I thought they gave it like candies here. Finally found a seedy-looking place where they generic 4-packs at 900 THB. At 9:00 PM, many places around LK Metro was practically void of customers. Line up wasn't all that great and the girls looked line in late 20's and 30's. We went through several bars then went over to Walking Street. It looked alot more livery there and girls were better looking. And you guys were right. Agogo girls were pretty hot and I could find at least one 9's and above per bars that we've visited.

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[QUOTE=Kazeu;2052211]You shouldn't be paying more than 200 for a generic 4 pack of viagra. They call it Sidegra. And you don't need to go to a seedy place to get it. Try a real pharmacy, and just ask for it by name.[/QUOTE]I did go to legit pharmacies. Boots in a mall and another. They all gave me indignant stare and told me that I need a prescription. Only the seedy looking one near LK Metro with a sign outside that says "VIAGRA / CIALIS" sold them to me.

So Sidegra doesn't require a prescription? How does it compare to real Viagra / Cialis?

[QUOTE=Mander;2052221]I did go to legit pharmacies. Boots in a mall and another. They all gave me indignant stare and told me that I need a prescription. Only the seedy looking one near LK Metro with a sign outside that says "VIAGRA / CIALIS" sold them to me.

So Sidegra doesn't require a prescription? How does it compare to real Viagra / Cialis?[/QUOTE]Sidegra is a generic version of Sildenafil, which is the active ingredient in Viagra. The difference is the same as the difference between Tylenol and generic Walmart brand Acetaminophen. Sildenafil is marketed under different brand names like Kamagra, or just Sildenafil. In Colombia it is known as Sildenafilo and legit, chain pharmacies sell it there without proscription or attitude. Same in the Dominican Republic, but it has a different manufacturer. Both are manufactured like a blue Viagra pill, but you don't have the same choices of dosage as you would in the US. Note the photo below with the 50 MG pill in the middle and the larger Dominican 100 MG at the bottom. You have to adjust your dosage manually, like eating two Colombians if you need 100 MG or splitting the larger Dominican pill if you only 50 MG.

Cialis is made from an entirely different compound, Tadalafil. It has some distinct advantages, like less side effects, not as impacted by eating and drinking alcohol and a half life of 18 hours, which is supposed to do you for the weekend. However, it doesn't work that well for me and others. I have bought the Kamagra gel off Sukhumvit Rd in BKK with some concerns. Yet it worked well for me, plus it is faster acting, and you don't need water to wash it down. I have no experience with those other compounds like Black Ant or Mambo 36, which have some dubious ingredients in with legitimate ED compounds. Others might share their experience beyond the hype.

[QUOTE=Mander;2052192]One question. A few of the Agogo girl that I connected really well, after all that ogling and lady drinks, when it came to bar fining them, said they cannot come with me today. Did get scammed or can it really happen that the girls inside Agogo may not be available for LT?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2052199]You got scammed.[/QUOTE]
You didn't get scammed. The ladies would have gone with you ST but many cannot do LT due to boyfriends, girlfriends, day jobs, and pure economic reasons. When they can do 3 STs at 2,500-3,500, why would the girl want to do a LT for even 5,000? If she's hot enough, she would rather do 3 guys ST for 7,500-10,500 than 1 guy for 3,500-5,000. If the girl is average, she will take the 2,500-3,500 LT.

I hope this makes sense. Now if she flat out refused to go with you even ST, then I would say you either got scammed, or the ladies in question were no-barfinable coyotes, which some forum members say don't exist except in the Arab bars on Soi Cowboy, or they simply didn't like you enough to have sex with you but were willing to take your money for LDs. It also possible that you lowballed them for LT and it turned them off you. If some ladies think you are stingy, Keneow in Thai, they won't go with you.

However, you did say they refused LT so the reasons I stated why ladies don't go LT are probably one of the reasons they didn't go with you.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2051979]The Cheap Charlie Chronicles just published this 11 minute YouTube snapshot of Pattaya Walking Street about 12 hours ago:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDxvsJ9y0II[/URL]

I don't know what time this video was taken, but life in this Walking Street video certainly seems a lot more subdued than I am used to seeing in Pattaya Walking Street videos.

Was this video simply taken at a bad time of the night or are things really that subdued right now in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Here is his most recent video of walking street and it is jammed packed. Certainly looks like business as usual to me.

[URL]https://youtu.be/occiSzzHr90[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2052341] When they can do 3 STs at 2,500-3,500, why would the girl want to do a LT for even 5,000?[/QUOTE]You and Syzy mentioned gogo girls doing 3 STs per day. Maybe I'm blind but I really don't notice multiple ST for Pattaya gogo girls, except at Windmill. Possibly because the Japanese in the bars I go to all do LT?

[QUOTE=Mander;2052192]One question. A few of the Agogo girl that I connected really well, after all that ogling and lady drinks, when it came to bar fining them, said they cannot come with me today. Did get scammed or can it really happen that the girls inside Agogo may not be available for LT?[/QUOTE]

There aren't nearly as many coyote girls in Pattaya gogo bars as Bangkok but I do agree with BKKdog that an offer of less than 5k per girl may have turned the gogo girl away, especially if she is a top girl from a top bar. If she rejected your LT once you mentioned that 2 guys were going to fuck her that is totally understandable. Did you ask if they would go LT with just yourself?

[QUOTE=Mander;2052187]

We wanted to get two girls and fuck together / swap, but most girls were not up for it. In fact, many girls who would oggle us would say flat out NO when we asked for a foursome. We must went through close to 10 bars looking for two girls until around 2:00 AM, my buddy were able to butter up a mamasan to find girls who are willing to do a foursome. But at some point, the deal went from getting a girl each to getting TWO girls per guy. A sixsome MFFMFF! Talk about feeling like a gangsta! He also booked a nice hotel with jacuzzi where we can all join in. The girls would not BBBJ but that's understandable given the crowd.

[/QUOTE]Wow! That sounds like quite a memorable intro to Pattaya. Well done, sir!

I'm curious as to the bar where you hooked this up. If this is with Gogo girls it must have cost you quite a pretty penny. But the memory will live on for eternity.

As for Viagra and Cialis they are available at most normal looking mom and pop pharmacies. The big chains may give you trouble but the smaller places on 2nd road or Soi Bukhao won't even bat an eyelid.

Stay horny my friend and enjoy the rest of your trip!

After I wobbled my way to my hotel, I caught an early breakfast at 6:00 am and went to sleep. Woke up around 2:00 PM and had a lunch at Central Marina mall.

Since I had a pretty wild night previously, I wanted to chill a little bit and visit one of the soapy massage place. Saba Dee was practically across a block from my hotel (Siam at Siam), so I decided to give it a try. It was 2:30 PM and the place looked half empty, but I did find a busty (everyone there seemed busty, infact) young girl. 26 years old about 7. 5 in looks. I paid 2500 THB, and we went upstairs.

It took a bit to prep the room and get everything ready, but eventually we got into action. I went into a foamy tub where she washed me, but it was like a regular wash with nothing naughty. On the air mattress the fun began where she rubbed me and massaged me with her big boobs (C-the cup), legs, and crouches. It got me nice and hard and we were at it for a good 20 minutes. Then she rinsed me up, and went to bed for the real action. The ceiling above the bed a mirror which gave me a good viewing of the action. On comes the condom. Wait. What? Apparently she doesn't do BBBJ which is strange since I am as clean as can be. She doesn't kiss either and not GFE at all. Ah well. After a boring CBJ, I somehow maintained my erection so she mounted me CG. She was quite muscular and pumped me away. I switched to mish and pounded her until I came. We washed up and came downstairs.

I wasn't feeling well and my shoulder was killing me even after the soapy massage. So I decided to get a real massage. Went to a massage place where I got 1 hour foot and 30 min shoulder massage, came back to my hotel, grabbed some finger food and took a nap.

I had a high expectations for the evenings because in the morning I did get in connection with two hot girls from Thai Friendly. One of them even quoted me 2000 THB for ST and 3000 THB for LT! But my luck would have it, both of them flaked out on me. One said she's busy today and can only do dinner (what?) and others went radio silence until around 1:00 AM that night. I was scheduled to meet again with my buddy, but my stomach was killing me, so I slept till 9:00 PM. I am not sure if it was due to jetlag, drinking too much, or viagra.

Around 9:00 PM, I felt a little better, so got up and went to the nearby pharmacy. He sold me a tiny pill for stomach pain, which worked well, and also sold me Cialis, which came out to be 1200 THB. I couldn't get in touch with my buddy, so I headed out to Walking Street alone. It was around 10:30 PM, and I had an early excursion tomorrow, so I didn't have much time. But I did check out most of the Agogos I had it in my list. Heaven Above had nice settings and white lingerie were quite sexy, but it was also quite dead and had a disappointing LU (girls were older and 6-7's). Mandarine also had so-so LUs. SkyFall was quite nice with young girls, but I didn't really connect. I went through 3-4 more Agogos, and finally decided to give Infinity a try. It was a club-like setting with lasers shooting for nice effect. The girls were incredibly hot and I could easily find 4-6 girls in 8's and 9's.

One of the girl, named Annie (greeted me and unlike other girls in skimpy black bikinis, she was in a classy party dress, which stood out to me. We seemed to connect well, so I bar fined her. She could only do ST, but I guess I needed to sleep early too. Damage was around 4500 THB (1500 BF and 3000ST), and I was asked to pay mamasan. We rode the motorbike to my hotel and when we entered my room, she spent first 10 minutes on her phone. Uh-oh. The friendly attitude had disappeared and she was fridged as hell. She asked for a TV remote and began watching TV while asking me to shower first. I wanted to take bath together, but she didn't even want to shower together! Aw well, eventually we both washed up and she slid inside the bed and put blankets over. WTF.

So I took the lead and removed blanket to show nice tight body with A-cups. She didn't do DFK (surprise! But responded well to my sucking her nipples and fingering her. I wanted to DATY her, and as I went toward her pussy. HOLY SHIT THE STINKING FISH SMELL! So I went back to sucking her boobs and fingering her. Mounted her chest and stuck my dick and she surprisingly accepted without much fanfare. Face fucked her for about 10 minutes and it was getting nice and hot. We went into 69 where I fingered her mostly and she kept using her hands instead of mouth. So I asked for the condom and she didn't have any. WTF?! Fortunately, I took you guy's advice and brought my own condoms from US. She mounted me CG and it was very tight. After fucking for a while, I rose up and switched to K9. She seemed to enjoy that quite a bit and the viagra I took (I am saving Cialis for tomorrow) was helping me pound away at her. I lifted one of her leg above and made her lay sidways and went in for deeper penetration. She was moaning louder and I was jack hammering her away until I finished her. (I wrote WAY too much details on the action. Am I allowed?

I washed up and nodding away in the bed when she woke me up. Time for her to go. Signed her out and that's for the second day.

[QUOTE=Mander;2052540]After I wobbled my way to my hotel, I caught an early breakfast at 6:00 am and went to sleep. Woke up around 2:00 PM and had a lunch at Central Marina mall.

Since I had a pretty wild night previously, I wanted to chill a little bit and visit one of the soapy massage place. Saba Dee was practically across a block from my hotel (Siam at Siam), so I decided to give it a try. It was 2:30 PM and the place looked half empty, but I did find a busty (everyone there seemed busty, infact) young girl. 26 years old about 7. 5 in looks. I paid 2500 THB, and we went upstairs.

It took a bit to prep the room and get everything ready, but eventually we got into action. I went into a foamy tub where she washed me, but it was like a regular wash with nothing naughty. On the air mattress the fun began where she rubbed me and massaged me with her big boobs (C-the cup), legs, and crouches. It got me nice and hard and we were at it for a good 20 minutes. Then she rinsed me up, and went to bed for the real action. The ceiling above the bed a mirror which gave me a good viewing of the action. On comes the condom. Wait. What? Apparently she doesn't do BBBJ which is strange since I am as clean as can be. She doesn't kiss either and not GFE at all. Ah well. After a boring CBJ, I somehow maintained my erection so she mounted me CG. She was quite muscular and pumped me away. I switched to mish and pounded her until I came. We washed up and came downstairs.

I wasn't feeling well and my shoulder was killing me even after the soapy massage. So I decided to get a real massage. Went to a massage place where I got 1 hour foot and 30 min shoulder massage, came back to my hotel, grabbed some finger food and took a nap.

I had a high expectations for the evenings because in the morning I did get in connection with two hot girls from Thai Friendly. One of them even quoted me 2000 THB for ST and 3000 THB for LT! But my luck would have it, both of them flaked out on me. One said she's busy today and can only do dinner (what?) and others went radio silence until around 1:00 AM that night. I was scheduled to meet again with my buddy, but my stomach was killing me, so I slept till 9:00 PM. I am not sure if it was due to jetlag, drinking too much, or viagra...[/QUOTE]Nothing worse than the smell of tuna! Ugh!

[QUOTE=Mander;2052540]Saba Dee......It was 2:30 PM and the place looked half empty.......On comes the condom. Wait. What? Apparently she doesn't do BBBJ which is strange since I am as clean as can be. She doesn't kiss either and not GFE at all. Ah well. After a boring CBJ, I somehow maintained my erection so she mounted me CG. She was quite muscular and pumped me away. I switched to mish and pounded her until I came. We washed up and came downstairs.

[/QUOTE]The soapies (Sabai Dee, Sabai Resort, Honey 2, and Rasputin) are all around your hotel. They start to get busy after 5 pm and prime time is around 7 pm. DO NOT expect BBBJ and DFK from any of these girls without either a bit of coercing, charm, or extra cash. These are primarily tourist joints catered to Indian and Chinese tourists.

[QUOTE=Mander;2052540]
I headed out to Walking Street alone. It was around 10:30 PM, and I had an early excursion tomorrow, so I didn't have much time. But I did check out most of the Agogos I had it in my list. Heaven Above had nice settings and white lingerie were quite sexy, but it was also quite dead and had a disappointing LU (girls were older and 6-7's). Mandarine also had so-so LUs. SkyFall was quite nice with young girls, but I didn't really connect. I went through 3-4 more Agogos, and finally decided to give Infinity a try. It was a club-like setting with lasers shooting for nice effect. The girls were incredibly hot and I could easily find 4-6 girls in 8's and 9's.

[/QUOTE]Curious how Heaven Above got on your list. One of the few gogo bars I only went to once. Mandarin has had a poor lineup since January when old mamasan took all the hot girls with her. You may want to consider Sapphire, Fahrenheit, What's Up, and Sensations if you're heading to WS again.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2052575]The soapies (Sabai Dee, Sabai Resort, Honey 2, and Rasputin) are all around your hotel. They start to get busy after 5 pm and prime time is around 7 pm. DO NOT expect BBBJ and DFK from any of these girls without either a bit of coercing, charm, or extra cash. These are primarily tourist joints catered to Indian and Chinese tourists.

Curious how Heaven Above got on your list. One of the few gogo bars I only went to once. Mandarin has had a poor lineup since January when old mamasan took all the hot girls with her. You may want to consider Sapphire, Fahrenheit, What's Up, and Sensations if you're heading to WS again.[/QUOTE]Welp soapy massage was just to get if off of my list.

Thanks for Agogo recommendations! I've done extensive internet research but I guess many of them are either shills or outdated. I'll be sure to check out your recommendations. While at it, can you recommend me any Agogo bars where I can find A-level service? The mamasan at Infinity freaked out a little when I told her I'm looking for A-level girls. I'd try Devil's Den as the last resort, but I heard LU wasn't all that good there.

I found a beautiful freelancer girl, in club insomnia, I knew her earlier.

She works in a similar agency like Thai sexy: [URL]https://www.ichwuerde.com/de/companion/detail/77[/URL].

I pay 3 k bath for short and we spend time with her after. A few hours, eating and other, without interference and extra costs for this agency. I think, have good deal.

Cheap Charlie just posted another Pattaya Walking Street video, showing Walking Street closing early, titled, "Is Pattaya Doomed?

[URL]https://goo.gl/G4Mojo[/URL]

The commentary introduction to his video reads as follows:

Some big changes are taking place in Pattaya, Soi 6 has been ordered to open at 6 pm versus noon time, Walking Street ordered to close at 3 AM. Also even bigger than all of this is that there will be no new licenses for go gos and other entertainment establishments. If all of this remains it will be a huge blow to the city.

Cheap Charlie asks, "Is this the beginning of the end?

-End Excerpt.

Seriously, no new licenses? With the shortened opening times, many of the smaller bars will close down as they weren't that profitable to begin with.

Scary stuff. Pattaya was lined up as one of my future retirement venues for 3 months out of the year (when that day finally comes). It looks like I may have to cross Pattaya off my list of retirement cities before I even reach my retirement age. Damn!

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2052991]Cheap Charlie just posted another Pattaya Walking Street video, showing Walking Street closing early, titled, "Is Pattaya Doomed?

[URL]https://goo.gl/G4Mojo[/URL]

The commentary introduction to his video reads as follows:

Some big changes are taking place in Pattaya, Soi 6 has been ordered to open at 6 pm versus noon time, Walking Street ordered to close at 3 AM. Also even bigger than all of this is that there will be no new licenses for go gos and other entertainment establishments.

Cheap Charlie asks, "Is this the beginning of the end?

-End Excerpt.

Seriously, no new licenses? With the shortened opening times, many of the smaller bars will close down as they weren't that profitable to begin with.

Scary stuff. Pattaya was lined up as one of my future retirement venues for 3 months out of the year (when that day finally comes). It looks like I may have to cross Pattaya off my list of retirement cities before I even reach my retirement age. Damn![/QUOTE]Let's try to look at this more objectively. If you look at Bangkok, the majority of the bars must close at 2 AM. However Mixx club and CH Agogo are regularily open to 3 or 4 AM. I suspect the same for Pattaya for a few places. Secondly for you to cross Pattaya off you list because Soi 6 is not open before 6 PM or the Walking Street bars close at 3 AM would be kinda ridiculous. If you can't find something to do in Pattaya between 6 PM and 3 AM, then I would suspect you couldn't find it anywhere. There are plenty of options there for P4 P. Online, chat apps, beer bars, Go go bars, discos, Soi 6, and massage. If you are that in need of actionnafter 3 AM, you will find it on We Chat or even just grabbing some food in a local restaurant. It's so easy to meet ladies in Pattaya. Hope that helps!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2053015]Secondly for you to cross Pattaya off you list because Soi 6 is not open before 6 PM or the Walking Street bars close at 3 AM would be kinda ridiculous.[/QUOTE]It would be really ridiculous seeing that most people that live in Pattaya only go out to those places every blue moon. Do people that live in Orlando go to Disney all the time? When you live somewhere you do things differently than those visiting.

So the day started out with a 3-islands tour cruise. Before coming to Pattaya and previous days here, I was hoping to find a girl who would go with me, but I wasn't so successful, so I just went alone. I really wanted to find a booze / party / naughty cruise, but surprisingly I was unable to find any in Pattaya. I did hear there's a one-time booze cruise event happening on the night after my departure Anyways, it's nice sailing in a motored catamaran through islands, but the water was murky and current was too strong for snorkeling. The boat was filled Chinese / Korean groups and other Farangs and few childrens.

Once I returned to my hotel around 6:00 PM, I ate dinner and went out for a walk around Soi 2 for a nice oil massage to help with my skin, which was under the strong sun all day. The street had several massage places trying to lure me in. I walked into one close to Siam@Siam, and this not-so-attractive lady took me in and kept hinting... No, pushing me for "additional" services. But she did give me a nice coconut oil massage. Even if I was in the mood, I wouldn't have gone for it inside thin curtain-covered mattress with several other Chinese / Korean guys within the earshot. Do they really do that there, separated by a paper-thin curtains where girls just open & close all the time?

Around 9:30 PM, I decided to hit up Walking Street. I was rather determined to get a wild PSE service and if I couldn't find a young hottie in WS to do it, I was planning on to go to Devil's Den and settle it there. Banana Boi was spot-on with Agogo recommendations. All the Agogos he had listed had a great LU. I eventually settled on Sensations. It was strange because unlike many Agogos, they didn't have any hot girls outside trying to lure customers in. I saw the place earlier, but wasn't even sure if it was open. Anyways many hot young girls dancing there looking 8's and some 9's. Taking the ISG advice, I immediately bought server and mamasan a lady drink to butter them up. Then I asked mamasan if she knew any girls that does A-level service. She didn't understand what that meant. Hmm. Eventually I gave up modesty and flat out asked "ANAL SEX!" She looked surprised, and didn't know any girl off her head, but asked me to choose a girl and she would ask. Saw a hot looking girl on the dance floor, which mamasan pulled out and asked her something in Thai. The girl smiled shyly and nodded. Good sign! I bought the girl and mamasan another round and things are going well. I wanted to spend my last night in Pattaya with a bit more fan fare. I ask the girl, Eve, if she had any "friend" there who wanted to join us. She introduced me to Leia. With HUGE boobs. My expectations are getting higher, and I buy more lady drinks for girls, servers, and mamasan. Everyone looked pleased. Time to wrap up, and the damage came out to 1,500 in drinks, 1500 BF + 5000 LT for Eve, and 1500 BF + 3000ST for Leia. I took care of it and we all headed out to my hotel.

On the way to hotel, I noticed Eve was getting more and more cold feet. Uh-oh. Leia still looks into it. Good thing I brought her. In the room, they don't want to take bath together, which is a shame. I specifically booked executive corner suite with large tub for the purpose. In fact, Eve doesn't even want me to look at her when she undresses and locks the bathroom door when she takes shower! Leia was much more open and takes shower with me. On the bed, they both lie down in towel and bedsheet. I open them up like a present and begin massaging their breasts together. They both doesn't want to kiss and refuse BBBJ. This is looking worse by the minute. I wrap up and have Eve blow me and then fuck Eve CG as I finger Leia and suck her ample see-cup breast. I switch to eat out Leia while fucking Eve. Leia smells much better than the previous girl and I finger her ass a bit. Switching up the girls, I fuck Leia CG while sucking on Eve's nipples and fingering her. I poke at Eve's ass which she slaps away. I also eat out Eve while fucking Leia and it's getting good. I switched up to k9 fucking Leia and have Eve stand over her so I can kiss her breast and finger her at the same time. After giving a good pounding, I finally finish.

After washing up, I expected Leia to leave, since she's ST, and Eve to stay and may be I will take her to drinking at the roof top bar. But no such luck. Eve wants to leave as well. At my protest, Eve suggests returning 2000 THB. I didn't like it, but probably nothing good would come from holding onto her, so I let them go. They had the nerve to ask for taxi fee.

Well a lesson learned. If a girl shows a slightest hesitation or "modesty" in the bar, it's not because she's shy or modest. It's because she's going to flake out on you. I guess you can't have pretty young thing and performance / PSE together. I thought about going to Devil's Den and find an ugly girl to fuck in the ass, but it's 2:00 AM, I'm tired, and I'm heading out to Bangkok tomorrow. So my days at Pattaya comes to an unsatisfying end.

The availability of P4P action is not so much determined by the number of locations open but by the number of girls working, where they locate and in which part of the business they ply their trade.

Pattaya will quite likely evolve over time and become less dependent on adult entertainment but for the foreseeable future it will continue to be home for a high percentage of working girls and anybody thinking of visiting or retiring there should not be put off by alarmist posts.

Changes in opening hours in some places simply means you have to look elsewhere during that time period. Girls who worked Soi 6 in the afternoon will find some other way to meet customers possibly online, maybe freelancing on beach road or hanging out in some other bars that remain open.

If you can't get laid in Pattaya any time of the day or night it's not because of any recent changes. The answer lies elsewhere.

I planned my Pattaya trip because I heard it's where I can get sex-crazed hotties at a fraction of cost back at home. Reading many blogs describing where these 18 years old model-quality girls would throw themselves at you (a bit of exaggerations here. May be for Brad Pitt-like Farangs) and let you fuck you in all holes kinda set me up for a wrong expectations.

Also coming to Pattaya, I guess was torn between finding a girl to tour together, have romantic time, and sex. Versus finding a hot girl for PSE anal orgy. I later realized that I do not have time to find this special girl in Thai Friendly with my itinerary.

- Bar hopping isn't really my idea of fun. I'm not really into drinking (although I can drink considerably), and I'd much rather pick up a hot girl ASAP and fuck her than sipping drinks while eyeing girls dancing.

- Find the naughtiest Agogo girl instead of innocent / modest looking girls. The latter will flake out on you.

- Connecting to an ISG member really made my trip. My trip was rather. Umm discreet and I don't have any buddy who can do sex tour together. My ISG buddy really helped me get started, took me bar hopping, and helped me cross MFFFFM my bucket list.

- Most Agogos are quite unfamiliar to anything other than vanilla one-on-one normal sex, or may be FMF sex without lesbo sex. If you want anything more hardcore, try Devil's Den or hire girls from escort services. Unless the service is listed in writing, don't expect to deliver.

- Siam at Siam was an awesome hotel. I loved the rooftop bar and pools, and club amenities gave me great food and drinks included. The only downside was it's a bit far from WS, and there were tiny ants, even on the 16th floor!

Anyways, these are my takeaways. I could be wrong, and YMMV. Thanks ISG members for their valuable info!

Thank you for all of your enlightening posts Mander. It seems that the hotties at the gogo bars are all charging you more than 100 Euro / ST after including their substantial bar fine of 1500 baht. I know many guys here report getting girls for much cheaper than this, but for those tourists only interested in the best looking girls at the gogo bars, I am forced to ask myself why I would travel all the way to Asia, only to end up paying more than I would for at an FKK, where the price for ST (1 hour) is only 100 Euros.

Since I'm already getting GFE from my FKK girls at 100 Euros / hour, I'm having a hard time justifying flying even further away to Asia, only to end up paying more than what I am paying now. The initial draw for me to Thailand was the possibility of getting the same services but at a substantial discount over what I am currently paying. But based on Mander's posts which reveal the current prices for top gogo girls, it sounds like that was all just a pipe dream, at least for the occasional tourist.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2053015]Let's try to look at this more objectively. for you to cross Pattaya off you list because Soi 6 is not open before 6 PM or the Walking Street bars close at 3 AM would be kinda ridiculous. If you can't find something to do in Pattaya between 6 PM and 3 AM, then I would suspect you couldn't find it anywhere. It's so easy to meet ladies in Pattaya. Hope that helps![/QUOTE]Yes, I know very well that I would be able to find action no problem right now in Pattaya. My repost of the Cheap Charlie Chronicles video and my commentary was more about lamenting about the possible future state of Pattaya if the current actions are signs of things to come. Yes, I know I can play there right now, but what about 5 years from now? 10 years from now?

Some of us are just become worried and sad when we see these kind of things happen to one of the best-known hobby spots in the world. What is the world coming to? It would be nice if some other spots in the world rose up to take a city's place when one city bites the dust but we don't see any new places popping up anywhere in the world. Instead, we only see one city after another biting the dust. I am going to go put on my sad face now.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2053116]Thank you for all of your enlightening posts Mander. It seems that the hotties at the gogo bars are all charging you more than 100 Euro / ST after including their substantial bar fine of 1500 baht. I know many guys here report getting girls for much cheaper than this, but for those tourists only interested in the best looking girls at the gogo bars, I am forced to ask myself why I would travel all the way to Asia, only to end up paying more than I would for at an FKK, where the price for ST (1 hour) is only 100 Euros.

Since I'm already getting GFE from my FKK girls at 100 Euros / hour, I'm having a hard time justifying flying even further away to Asia, only to end up paying more than what I am paying now. The initial draw for me to Thailand was the possibility of getting the same services but at a substantial discount over what I am currently paying. But based on Mander's posts which reveal the current prices for top gogo girls, it sounds like that was all just a pipe dream, at least for the occasional tourist.[/QUOTE]If more guys begin to think like you and decide to go elsewhere then economic theory would predict that aggregate demand will decline and cause prices to fall. Great! But there is one small fly in the ointment; I do not believe Caucasians and sub continent Asians are driving the price. It's the rather recent influx of north east Asian dudes from China, Korea, and Japan that are primarily responsible for driving up price and tolerating lower service quality and there is not a damn thing we can do about that.

I take note of your point of view; "the initial draw for me to Thailand was the possibility of getting the same services but at a substantial discount over what I am currently paying (in Germany). " So in your case I would say yes, forget abuut LOS and go somewhere else. But I have a different point of view: I prefer Asian girls (Thai, Indonesian, Khmer, Filipina, and Chinese) over Caucasian girls 10 to 1. So for me, there is no substitution. Well almost no substitution. I do like South American girls (Brazil, Columbia, Argentina, and Chile) too. 555.

[QUOTE=Mander;2053057]I planned my Pattaya trip because I heard it's where I can get sex-crazed hotties at a fraction of cost back at home. Reading many blogs describing where these 18 years old model-quality girls would throw themselves at you (a bit of exaggerations here. May be for Brad Pitt-like Farangs) and let you fuck you in all holes kinda set me up for a wrong expectations. <snip> Find the naughtiest Agogo girl instead of innocent / modest looking girls. The latter will flake out on you.[/QUOTE]The key to success with a Thai girl is to make them feel comfortable and the ability to make them laugh. That's when you will get the most from a Thai girl. Asking them to do 3 somes or having 2 guys take turns banging them isn't in a Thai girl's repertoire. Yes, you will find them at Devil's Den but AFAIK don't expect girls who looks like your Sensations gogo girls.

There is no correlation on your success whether you take a naught looking girl or an innocent cutesy girl. Just depends on chemistry. Some on here will go with older more experienced girls because they've seen it all. I'm like yourself going for complete optiks.

Finding a girl you really enjoy spending many hours with on a 2-3 day trip is a very tough task. Lots of luck needs to be involved in that. Even though your girls weren't stellar I think you did well finding girls to do the things you wanted. I noticed you struck out with the shower for 2. Many girls will do this. You may want to ask beforehand next time. They almost all shower for 2 at G-clubs like Kinnaree and on Soi 6.

UH, very few guys on ISG will splurge on gogo girls like Mander did. I know bkkdog and myself are two who will. Most on ISG are looking for the 500-2000ST from a Beach Road FL to an iBar girl. There is no time limit on ST. If you have bad luck picking up a hustler then yes it can be 1 hour. However, if the chemistry is right it can extend well beyond 1 hour even if ST.

When I first switched from FKK's to Thailand I thought the same as you that it will be much cheaper. Definitely not the case since I am a gogo guy. It's not the same experience as sitting in a boring FKK club. I'm a bit younger than most. love House music, and still like to party so Thailand is the right choice for me. Before Thailand I wasn't even interested in Asian girls and my preference are German and Hungarian girls. German and Hungarians are still my preference but the gap has closed considerably since coming to Thailand. The top Thai girls are top girls in any race. Only time will tell how the new Germany laws will affect the number of nice younger girls who work. Not being able to sleep in the clubs overnight and having to register are 2 large hurdles. Then again, maybe FKK girls will go LT now looking for a place to crash overnight!

If STs with more Caucasian looking girls is your thing than there is no real reason to leave Germany and come to Thailand (though as BB points out times they are a changin' for the worst in Deutschland).

I like Thailand and SE Asia for the LT rent a girlfriend experience. Thai girls always deliver GFE (sometimes too much as they also give you the bad parts like jealousy and neediness-555) and like Natty I also prefer Asian girls looks and attitude wise to Caucasian girls. At the same time there is enough action that you can mix it up and supplement your LT / GFE diet with some ST action from a variety of venues (BR, SOi 6, Gogos, Ibar, Badoo, Wechat, TF etc).

For me this makes Thailand hard to beat. Maybe Vietnam (as I think VN girls are a little better looking and also amazing in the GFE department) if the scene was more open. But as things stand Thailand meets my preferences best.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2053191]...and like Natty I also prefer Asian girls looks and attitude wise to Caucasian girls.

For me this makes Thailand hard to beat. Maybe Vietnam (as I think VN girls are a little better looking and also amazing in the GFE department) if the scene was more open. But as things stand Thailand meets my preferences best.[/QUOTE]IMHO there is no destination that matches up to LOS if one were to consider all parameters for a holiday or a long stay.

From a mongering perspective the range of options (BR, Soi 6, WS, Soapy, Oilies, Nightclubs, Bars, GoGos, Online), ease of availability, pricing, quality of services it is simply astounding. From an amenities perspective, ease of transportation, pricing and quality of hotels, range, quality and pricing of food, ease of availability of supplies (7/11, family mart, pharmacies, etc) there is no other place that scores as well on all parameters.

So for me, despite the restrictions we are hearing about, this place still tops the list. And I have a weakness for Thai girls (and Pinays, and Viets, and Indos and Chinese and. 5555).

I've been to FKK Sharks, Oase, and GT (Austria). You really can't beat the efficiency of FKK with little to no nagging, set price, and exact delivery anywhere in the world. You can browse girls, pick them up within 1 minute, and if you pay for X service, you fucking get X service. Great for 1 or 2 days of fun.

It really sucked that you still had to play the "game" in Agogo bars. I mean it might be like shooting fishes in a barrel, but you still had to pick the right girl, butter them up, build the right connection, and still not sure if they would deliver as promised or not.

If you like asian girls, like drinking, and love the thrill of the hunt (with training wheels), possibly build connections outside of bar, then Agogo bar is for you. If you are short on time, need a quick ROI and have zero social skill like me, then it may not work so well.

I did, however, impressed by the qualities of the girls than I expected. If you like PYT (pretty young thang), you can find them easily in a good agogo.

An option for those with nothing to do in the afternoon is the newest G-club, The Den, on Soi Chaiyapoon (aka Soi 25) and 3rd Road. Opens at 1 pm.

I really like the girl on the left in the red in pic 2 and the one in the black and white squared dress 4th from the right in the back row in pic 1.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2053449]An option for those with nothing to do in the afternoon is the newest G-club, The Den, on Soi Chaiyapoon (aka Soi 25) and 3rd Road. Opens at 1 pm.

I really like the girl on the left in the red in pic 2 and the one in the black and white squared dress 4th from the right in the back row in pic 1.[/QUOTE]Nice catch. The girl in the red in center of pic 1 is also worthy of further inspection.

How much is ST at the den?

[QUOTE=Mander;2053049]Well a lesson learned. If a girl shows a slightest hesitation or "modesty" in the bar, it's not because she's shy or modest. It's because she's going to flake out on you. I guess you can't have pretty young thing and performance / PSE together. I thought about going to Devil's Den and find an ugly girl to fuck in the ass, but it's 2:00 AM, I'm tired, and I'm heading out to Bangkok tomorrow. So my days at Pattaya comes to an unsatisfying end.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you repeatedly feel the need to criticize Devils Den. Most of their ladies look better in person when compared to their non-photoshopped pictures. And if you think Vicky is [I]ugly[/I] I would really like to see where you draw the line on looks: [URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/profiles/131/Vicky.html[/URL].

Given your FKK roots guessing you are looking for throwdown action. DD would have fit that bill. Have you ever been in their rooms? They have large beds, mirrors on the walls and ceiling, porn playing on a large screen TV, suspended sex swings, and showers designed to hold a small crowd.

I learned something long ago: for me attitude and performance is twice as important as looks. I would rather have a 7 looks / 10 performer than a 10 looks / 7 performer. We are renting and not buying after all LOL. As always YMMV.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2053557]Not sure why you repeatedly feel the need to criticize Devils Den. Most of their ladies look better in person when compared to their non-photoshopped pictures. And if you think Vicky is [I]ugly[/I] I would really like to see where you draw the line on looks: [URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/profiles/131/Vicky.html[/URL].

Given your FKK roots guessing you are looking for throwdown action. DD would have fit that bill. Have you ever been in their rooms? They have large beds, mirrors on the walls ...snip...[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right to point me out on that. Sorry I didn't mean to criticize DD. In fact, my greatest regret in Pattaya is not trying DD out. There have been some posts here and other places that mentioned that while DD excels in performance / attitude, one shouldn't expect lookers there. Perhaps I would've found Vicky hot as hell.

Everyone has different pref/taste and while I respect the performance crowd, I'd rather have no sex than have sex with girls who are not hot or old. Call me vain and I do end up frustrated alot seeking for hot girls with great attitude/performance. But when the stars align and I'm at the right place right time, it's awesome and makes the hunt worth it for me.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2053551]How much is ST at the den?[/QUOTE]2 ladies minimum. 4000 for 90 minutes, 4800 for 2 hours.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2053557]

I learned something long ago: for me attitude and performance is twice as important as looks. I would rather have a 7 looks / 10 performer than a 10 looks / 7 performer. We are renting and not buying after all LOL. As always YMMV.

SL.[/QUOTE]Sunlover,

I agree with you completely. For me a "girl next door" type who has the potential to be horny is much better than a "Super model star fish".

I also believe that attitude is MUCH more important than looks.

Enjoy,

Hotman.

[QUOTE=Hotman666;2053569]I also believe that attitude is MUCH more important than looks.
[/QUOTE]This is why I like gogo girls. I get to watch them night after night and see how their attitudes are. I learn to know who is always happy and smiley, get to know their personalities, who turns ugly when they are rejected, who looks like they can party, etc.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2053567]2 ladies minimum. 4000 for 90 minutes, 4800 for 2 hours.[/QUOTE]Shame. I don't like 2 ladies. Is the den different to eden club?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2053573]Shame. I don't like 2 ladies. Is the den different to eden club?[/QUOTE]The Den, Devil's Den and Eden Club are 3 differents club. Devil's Den and Eden Club very similar in the concept, The Den is a new afternoon GClub in soi chaiyapoon (move to Pattaya from BKK soi12).

The Den 400 baht room, 1.000 baht for the girl.

Devil's Den if you want 1 girl you have 2 choice: Nuru massage, or outcall service at your hotel. All info are listed on their website!

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2053551]How much is ST at the den?[/QUOTE]I reported on The Den a few weeks ago when it first opened. The room is 400 baht and the rest is between you and the girl. Again, the sister club is Touch on LK Metro.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2053557]Most of their ladies look better in person when compared to their non-photoshopped pictures. And if you think Vicky is [I]ugly[/I] I would really like to see where you draw the line on looks: [URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/profiles/131/Vicky.html[/URL].

[/QUOTE]I can't say that has been my experience. I haven's used them in years but the 2 or 3 times I have the girls looked worse in person.

The photos are not photo shopped but they are taken with some care to make the girls look good.

BTW: I don't think Vicky is ugly. She is cute (a 6 or so in my book). I wouldn't necessarily seek her out but would not kick her out of my bed either.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2052575]The soapies (Sabai Dee, Sabai Resort, Honey 2, and Rasputin) are all around your hotel. They start to get busy after 5 pm and prime time is around 7 pm. DO NOT expect BBBJ and DFK from any of these girls without either a bit of coercing, charm, or extra cash.[/QUOTE]I do a soapie every other trip it seems. The fantasy of a pretty girl sliding up and down on me, like they do in the JAV movies, is strong. But the reality is different. Sigh.

Out of three visits, I did get a BBBJ once, and that was after a CBJ and CFS where I could not release, and so she took pity on me and offered a BBBJ. No begging on my part, I just said I have a hard time releasing with a condom (quite true), so she removed the condom and went down on me. Many of the girls are quite mechanical and really don't care, but this one was nice and caring and wanted me to leave happy. So it can happen without paying more or begging and pleading! Hmmm, maybe it was because I was charming!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2053449]An option for those with nothing to do in the afternoon is the newest G-club, The Den, on Soi Chaiyapoon (aka Soi 25) and 3rd Road. Opens at 1 pm.

I really like the girl on the left in the red in pic 2 and the one in the black and white squared dress 4th from the right in the back row in pic 1.[/QUOTE]We share similar tastes, my friend. The second girl from the left in the second picture is also pretty hot too.

[QUOTE=Mander;2053057]I planned my Pattaya trip because I heard it's where I can get sex-crazed hotties at a fraction of cost back at home. Reading many blogs describing where these 18 years old model-quality girls would throw themselves at you (a bit of exaggerations here. May be for Brad Pitt-like Farangs) and let you fuck you in all holes kinda set me up for a wrong expectations.

[/QUOTE]LOS offers tremendous value. I did an analysis of my visit last November and found that I had 27 FS encounters with 22 different ladies over 11 days for a total spent of $1,175 US. (Includes fines and fees, but no LDs or food.) These were not fat and ugly BR FL girls. There were a couple of BR FL girls, but they were the better-looking ones. Quite pretty, slender, gave good service and would look hot in a bikini on the beach. This was a super hottie from Soi 6 - an amazing value at just 1,300 TB. She would draw 3000 TB plus BF for ST on WS. The others on Soi 6 were at least attractive and all slender with a few providing GFE. On Soi 6, 90% are fat and ugly, with 98% being fat OR ugly, so you have to find that upper 2%.

The Soi 6 crackdown is disappointing, but I am not yet ready to give up on Thailand or of Pattaya.

I guess I need to do a similar analysis of my visit last April / May. I will try to get that out within a few days.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2053449]An option for those with nothing to do in the afternoon is the newest G-club, The Den, on Soi Chaiyapoon (aka Soi 25) and 3rd Road. Opens at 1 pm.

I really like the girl on the left in the red in pic 2 and the one in the black and white squared dress 4th from the right in the back row in pic 1.[/QUOTE]Never been there. I always wonder what to do in late afternoon. What kind of place is this? A go go bar? I will try in my next visit.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2053449]An option for those with nothing to do in the afternoon is the newest G-club, The Den, on Soi Chaiyapoon (aka Soi 25) and 3rd Road. Opens at 1 pm.

I really like the girl on the left in the red in pic 2 and the one in the black and white squared dress 4th from the right in the back row in pic 1.[/QUOTE]Ah! This club used to be in Bangkok on Sukhumvit Soi 12. It closed down after a year. The concept was the bar with sofas and 2 pool tables. The sofas were set up in a way where curtains could be closed around them and the girls could dance and be a little naughty. There were short time rooms above the bar and the BF was 500 Baht plus an agreed upon fee for services from the girl. 2000ST I believe it was. It would close at around 9 PM if I recall so it was truly for the daytime. The concept didn't last in BKK because there was just not a consistent flow of customers. I suspect Pattaya will offer that potential. It is run by foreigners and in my mind, this club will be a target for law emforcemt due to the same concept at Soi 6. Regardless, enjoy it well it lasts. It will be more expensive than Soi 6 so be prepared to pay more than 1000 for a shag.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2053766]It is run by foreigners and in my mind, this club will be a target for law emforcemt due to the same concept at Soi 6. Regardless, enjoy it well it lasts. It will be more expensive than Soi 6 so be prepared to pay more than 1000 for a shag.[/QUOTE]The girl that I had a drink with when I was there said 1000 for a shag. Actually it is more the concept of all the other gentlemen clubs: 007, Carre Blanc, etc and not Soi 6. I don't want to include Kinnaree and the other Pratumnak places because those are much bigger seeing they are in actual houses. There is a doorman/security guy. You walk in and there is a big ass bar in front of you. There are sofas to the left, a pool table to the right, tables to the other side of the bar, big screen tvs that I think had sports on, and a place for the dj (the owner was playing music from his laptop there). There are red lights throughout. The rooms are upstairs.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2053766]Ah! This club used to be in Bangkok on Sukhumvit Soi 12. It closed down after a year. The concept was the bar with sofas and 2 pool tables. The sofas were set up in a way where curtains could be closed around them and the girls could dance and be a little naughty. There were short time rooms above the bar and the BF was 500 Baht plus an agreed upon fee for services from the girl. 2000ST I believe it was. It would close at around 9 PM if I recall so it was truly for the daytime. The concept didn't last in BKK because there was just not a consistent flow of customers. I suspect Pattaya will offer that potential. It is run by foreigners and in my mind, this club will be a target for law emforcemt due to the same concept at Soi 6. Regardless, enjoy it well it lasts. It will be more expensive than Soi 6 so be prepared to pay more than 1000 for a shag.[/QUOTE]I dropped by to check it out once. The club was really nice with a shark tank with a small shark above the main bar. Very cool.

The business model was to let gogo girls ply their trade before their shifts at Nana or Cowboy. But I think they may have had trouble getting girls because the selection was only meh when I was there.

I had a few drinks with a girl and a bit of fondling and kissing but did not take her to a room s she didn't' really do it for me and I had another girl coming to my condo in a few hours anyway.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2053681]LOS offers tremendous value. I did an analysis of my visit last November and found that I had 27 FS encounters with 22 different ladies over 11 days for a total spent of $1,175 US. (Includes fines and fees, but no LDs or food.) These were not fat and ugly BR FL girls. There were a couple of BR FL girls, but they were the better-looking ones. Quite pretty, slender, gave good service and would look hot in a bikini on the beach. This was a super hottie from Soi 6 - an amazing value at just 1,300 TB. She would draw 3000 TB plus BF for ST on WS. The others on Soi 6 were at least attractive and all slender with a few providing GFE. On Soi 6, 90% are fat and ugly, with 98% being fat OR ugly, so you have to find that upper 2%.
[/QUOTE]IMHO the pickings are better are Beach Rd than on Soi 6. Better attitudes, prices and service.

Guys, I have a delicate question. Even though I'm experienced I'm not sure what to do. First time I saw a new provider, Anna, I gave her a way too generous tip. I gave it to her ahead of time bc I was negotiating BBBJ. I had a brain fart and basically gave her what the house charged me. I don't know why, I just did. Assuming house takes 40-50% with me she prob earned 3 x what she made with a regular non-tipping monger.

Ok I made a mistake, big deal.

But, the service was FANTASTIC, top 3 provider. So I went back again for a second time and left her slightly smaller tip. But even then, my tip was prob too much. Service was fantastic again, including anal which I had not negotiated or even discussed beforehand.

I want to see her 4-5 more times before I leave. But I don't want to keep spoiling her for the next monger. Should I give her even smaller, more reasonable tip or, since service is fantastic, just let it be?

Maybe I'm overthinking. It's not a question of money, it's just I know how many times on this board we complain about mongers who leave huge tips and then that becomes the norm for the girl.

[QUOTE=CherchezFemme;2054351]Guys, I have a delicate question. Even though I'm experienced I'm not sure what to do. First time I saw a new provider, Anna, I gave her a way too generous tip. I gave it to her ahead of time bc I was negotiating BBBJ. I had a brain fart and basically gave her what the house charged me. I don't know why, I just did. Assuming house takes 40-50% with me she prob earned 3 x what she made with a regular non-tipping monger.

Ok I made a mistake, big deal.

But, the service was FANTASTIC, top 3 provider. So I went back again for a second time and left her slightly smaller tip. But even then, my tip was prob too much. Service was fantastic again, including anal which I had not negotiated or even discussed beforehand.

I want to see her 4-5 more times before I leave. But I don't want to keep spoiling her for the next monger. Should I give her even smaller, more reasonable tip or, since service is fantastic, just let it be?

Maybe I'm overthinking. It's not a question of money, it's just I know how many times on this board we complain about mongers who leave huge tips and then that becomes the norm for the girl.[/QUOTE]Could you please be more specific? Is she a go go girl, massage girl, freelancer or what? What was her asking price and what did you give her total including the tip?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2054367]Could you please be more specific? Is she a go go girl, massage girl, freelancer or what? What was her asking price and what did you give her total including the tip?[/QUOTE]She works in an apartment with other girls, you walk in and choose who you want. So not a freelancer (and I have tried to get her to meet me at my place but she hasn't responded to that).

Cost is $ 28 US per hour (1 pop). So she probably makes $ 14- 17 per hour. I gave her $26 tip first time (slightly less than what she wanted).

Second time I gave her $ 24 tip bc I knew first tip was too much. She didn't say anything but I don't know if she counted it before or after.

Hopefully will see her in 3 days.

This is not in Thailand, it's in Ukraine. Sorry for confusion. I wrote here bc Ukraine forums are slow and besides it's a universal question.

[QUOTE=CherchezFemme;2054405]This is not in Thailand, it's in Ukraine. Sorry for confusion. I wrote here bc Ukraine forums are slow and besides it's a universal question.[/QUOTE]It's not a universal question at all. Cultures are very different around the world in regard to tipping. Tipping IS NOT expected in Thailand. No idea about Ukraine.

[QUOTE=CherchezFemme;2054405]

This is not in Thailand, it's in Ukraine. Sorry for confusion. I wrote here bc Ukraine forums are slow and besides it's a universal question.[/QUOTE]Dude, I'm sorry but you are completely out to lunch. Comparing a Ukrain P4 P to the Thai P4 P? Posting in the wrong country forum just because the Ukraine one is slow. Post again after you come to Thailand.

[QUOTE=CherchezFemme;2054351] But I don't want to keep spoiling her for the next monger.

It's not a question of money.[/QUOTE]Another deluded monger trying to convince himself that it's the principle, not the money. And trying to convince others that he's being cheap for the sake of the rest of us.

55555.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2054442]Dude, I'm sorry but you are completely out to lunch. Comparing a Ukrain P4 P to the Thai P4 P? Posting in the wrong country forum just because the Ukraine one is slow. Post again after you come to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Just spent 4 months in Thailand. Good times. Only did p4p twice. Then picked up a girlfriend.
But I'm looking for advice from seasoned mongers and the Thai forums are the biggest.
I'll post in Ukraine too.

[QUOTE=David2;2054453]Another deluded monger trying to convince himself that it's the principle, not the money. And trying to convince others that he's being cheap for the sake of the rest of us.

55555.[/QUOTE]David, I have just as many posts as you and more reports than you buddy. Stop being nasty and snarky, those are feminine traits. If you think I'm being cheap, just say I should continue with the same tips.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2054426]It's not a universal question at all. Cultures are very different around the world in regard to tipping. Tipping IS NOT expected in Thailand. No idea about Ukraine.[/QUOTE]Thank you. FYI, I don't think tipping is expected here either. I was paying her for BBBJ.

I appreciate someone with your post count replying.

I tried Pattaya four days last week. Really enjoyed it. Nice that there is so much in such a relatively small area (compared to say Bangkok, where travel takes more time). It seemed much weaker than Angeles City in the Philippines on young petite girls, but some very interesting 20 somethings as well as some matures. A lot of western men, but they tend to be 60+ pensioner types, uneducated, heavy beer-drinkers, smokers, overweight. So although the ratio of girls to customers isn't fantastic, some girls may be quite enthusiastic to be with somebody who is not like that.

I find Thais in general very sophisticated, so also the girls in Pattaya, relatively speaking. But strangely enough very many of them still hardly speak any English, another big draw back over the Philippines.

Another drawback is that there are also quite a few non-mongering tourists in Pattaya. So there is a risk that you bump into somebody you know (albeit probably a very small risk). In Angeles City I don't recall seeing any non-mongering tourists at all (no wonder as there is no beach there and the food sucks).

I loved Soi 6, because I like a very big selection of girls that I can be with consecutively. 3-4 per night. Out of the 6-7 girls I slept with there, I really liked 5. Only one was an unpleasant, manipulative, up-selling experience. The only problem is that they are all there out in front of the bars, so it is like one brothel and each girl can see you going to the next one, which is not so convenient if the encounters are a little bit emotionally rewarding.

I also enjoyed the go go bars. A lot of nudity, a lot of personality. Money goes quite fast.

A lot of ladyboys all over Pattaya. I have nothing against them but I would much rather not have them mixed up with all of the girls as one has to be cautious looking and flirting with the girls.

Cialis and Apcalis sold freely.

It was a very pleasant experience. I miss Pattaya and some of those special girls whom I wish I could have had more time with.

Cucumber, its good to read a fresh report about Pattaya from the perspective of an AC fan and see what he likes and dislikes about the place. I like Filipina GFE and the way they like to party and shag with real abandon. I prefer Thai culture, food, and ambiance. I think on average Thai girls are better looking, but that just means you have to look a little bit more in the PI to find what you are looking for, but the sexy, pretty ones are there too, ready and willing. As for Filipinas and their English proficiencies, that is both a big plus and a minus. I like the mystery of Thai girls. I know less of what's on their minds. Ha Ha.

P.S. I read your report on Yangon. Too bad about JJ's.

[QUOTE=Waffles;2054334]IMHO the pickings are better are Beach Rd than on Soi 6. Better attitudes, prices and service.[/QUOTE]I avoid breach road due to safety.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2054585]I avoid breach road due to safety.[/QUOTE]LOL. What is unsafe about Beach Road?

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2054554]The only problem is that they are all there out in front of the bars, so it is like one brothel and each girl can see you going to the next one, which is not so convenient if the encounters are a little bit emotionally rewarding.[/QUOTE]Who care if each girl can see you going to the next one? LOL Here everyone knows everyone. IMO the best of soi6 it is precisely the fact that all girls are outside the bars and you can see them and talk with them without entering any single bars.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2054554]I tried Pattaya four days last week. Really enjoyed it. Nice that there is so much in such a relatively small area (compared to say Bangkok, where travel takes more time). It seemed much weaker than Angeles City in the Philippines on young petite girls, but some very interesting 20 somethings as well as some matures. A lot of western men, but they tend to be 60+ pensioner types, uneducated, heavy beer-drinkers, smokers, overweight. So although the ratio of girls to customers isn't fantastic, some girls may be quite enthusiastic to be with somebody who is not like that.

I find Thais in general very sophisticated, so also the girls in Pattaya, relatively speaking. But strangely enough very many of them still hardly speak any English, another big draw back over the Philippines.

Another drawback is that there are also quite a few non-mongering tourists in Pattaya. So there is a risk that you bump into somebody you know (albeit probably a very small risk). In Angeles City I don't recall seeing any non-mongering tourists at all (no wonder as there is no beach there and the food sucks).

I loved Soi 6, because I like a very big selection of girls that I can be with consecutively. 3-4 per night. Out of the 6-7 girls I slept with there, I really liked 5. Only one was an unpleasant, manipulative, up-selling experience. The only problem is that they are all there out in front of the bars, so it is like one brothel and each girl can see you going to the next one, which is not so convenient if the encounters are a little bit emotionally rewarding.

I also enjoyed the go go bars. A lot of nudity, a lot of personality. Money goes quite fast.

A lot of ladyboys all over Pattaya. I have nothing against them but I would much rather not have them mixed up with all of the girls as one has to be cautious looking and flirting with the girls.

Cialis and Apcalis sold freely.

It was a very pleasant experience. I miss Pattaya and some of those special girls whom I wish I could have had more time with.[/QUOTE]Great report. Interesting your views about Pattaya vs AC. Have travelled many times to both and IMHO Pattaya is a lot better. Feels more relaxed and the day time options are a lot better. Food is better and accommodation is better. The girls I would say are better on average in Pattaya. Thai girls and flippers both have their pros and cons but compared to the western rubbish we deal with I would not complain being in the sack with either!

I think there are a lot more retired gents in AC who look like they are on a shoe string budget. Dress poorly and are slobs. That said, I also see a lot in Pattaya too.

Still, we are all different and the girls only care about our wallets. Money makes up for a lot of flaws!

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2054602]LOL. What is unsafe about Beach Road?[/QUOTE]I know you have rose coloured glasses regarding Thailand, but it isn't a safe place.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2054689]Who care if each girl can see you going to the next one? LOL Here everyone knows everyone. IMO the best of soi6 it is precisely the fact that all girls are outside the bars and you can see them and talk with them without entering any single bars.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it is heaps better.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2054801]I know you have rose coloured glasses regarding Thailand, but it isn't a safe place.[/QUOTE]You still did not explain what is unsafe about it. I have never read a report on here of someone saying something happened to them or someone they know on Beach Road. If there is anyone, then please speak up to help MMG explain what is so unsafe about it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2054819]You still did not explain what is unsafe about it. I have never read a report on here of someone saying something happened to them or someone they know on Beach Road. If there is anyone, then please speak up to help MMG explain what is so unsafe about it.[/QUOTE]Pattaya is as safe or unsafe as any other city in the States, or the UK or any other city in Asia. The only places I would consider safer are the Nordic countries, Singapore and Dubai.

I have been visiting Thailand for the better part of two decades and I am yet to encounter any unsafe experience in Pattaya personally. I have obviously heard and read about a lot of unpleasant incidents, but somehow I would like to think a majority of the victims brought these consequences upon themselves through unsafe actions and unsound decisions.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2054819]You still did not explain what is unsafe about it. I have never read a report on here of someone saying something happened to them or someone they know on Beach Road. If there is anyone, then please speak up to help MMG explain what is so unsafe about it.[/QUOTE]Well. In Pattaya I was never involved in anything. But it may happen anywhere, where not expected. One night in Udon Thani I walk back to my hotel from the&and to Kavinburi, and at a corner a few youngsters, one stared talking to me, but when I continued walking, and definitely not drunk, he came after me and grabbed my polo shirt. Best remedy I have always found is to start talking in a language where they absolutely do not understand a word of it. Confusion all over, and that is where you have to take advantage from. But in general I must admit, Thailand is a safe place. Way more than those dark streets f Phnom Penh with an open air Cambo bar on every street corner.

[QUOTE=Titanio;2054987]But in general I must admit, Thailand is a safe place. Way more than those dark streets f Phnom Penh with an open air Cambo bar on every street corner.[/QUOTE]I've never found Phnom Penh the least bit dangerous in the areas where the girls are.

As for Pattaya if you read the news the only issues seem to always happen with ladyboys. Otherwise it's just dumb people who insist on wearing a gold necklace or nice watch and don't expect to get robbed. If you leave the tourist area, your Thai girl will protect you.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2055055]I've never found Phnom Penh the least bit dangerous in the areas where the girls are.

As for Pattaya if you read the news the only issues seem to always happen with ladyboys. Otherwise it's just dumb people who insist on wearing a gold necklace or nice watch and don't expect to get robbed. If you leave the tourist area, your Thai girl will protect you.[/QUOTE]New interesting definition of dumb. Anybody wearing a nice watch or gold necklace in Pattaya. I guess by inference smart would then be anybody not wearing a nice watch or gold necklace in Pattaya unless that is you wander into a local area where your ever trustworthy fearless Thai girlfriend will fight off all comers intent on knocking you unconscious to undo your Patek Philippe chronograph and rip your 24 carat 100 gram designer necklace from your neck. I can only assume banana you were jesting?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2055055]I've never found Phnom Penh the least bit dangerous in the areas where the girls are.

As for Pattaya if you read the news the only issues seem to always happen with ladyboys. Otherwise it's just dumb people who insist on wearing a gold necklace or nice watch and don't expect to get robbed. If you leave the tourist area, your Thai girl will protect you.[/QUOTE]Yes, safe if you; don't leave tourist areas at night; don't wear valuables. In other words. Not safe!

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2055188]Yes, safe if you; don't leave tourist areas at night; don't wear valuables. In other words. Not safe![/QUOTE]Maybe Tokyo or Singapore could be safe enough for you. Wear valuables in a 3rd world country it is not a smart idea. In my country we say "opportunity makes the thief".

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[QUOTE=Franciscass;2055135]New interesting definition of dumb. Anybody wearing a nice watch or gold necklace in Pattaya. I guess by inference smart would then be anybody not wearing a nice watch or gold necklace in Pattaya unless that is you wander into a local area where your ever trustworthy fearless Thai girlfriend will fight off all comers intent on knocking you unconscious to undo your Patek Philippe chronograph and rip your 24 carat 100 gram designer necklace from your neck. I can only assume banana you were jesting?[/QUOTE]Dumb is thinking that you are going to go to the beach at night in a third world country full of ladyboys that want surgery shining (showing off your valuables) or carrying a fat wallet. Then of course it may be dangerous for you. Anytime you read about the street robberies it was the thief going after something they could see, such as a gold chain or a bulging wallet. I have never had any problems even going to Beach Road in the wee hours, because I do not present myself that way. I wear a simple sports watch and only carry the money I need and my ID with no wallet. But for the dumb among us, the police has set up checkpoints in the exact area where they katoeys used to rob you guys along BR and WS. So I think it is now much safer to carry on wearing your jewels as you were before.

Just completed a session with a semi-regular Beach Rd provider. She's pretty hot. Damage 1000 baht. She was telling me some stories.

There was one guy who wanted to go bareback with her, but she is very health conscious and kept refusing his ever increasing offers which reached 3500 baht. She is scared of HIV. So no deal. She said that it is the falangs (ie caucasians) who want to do BB, not the Indians who always want to use a condom.

She knows chicks on Beach Rd who are popping pills for the control of HIV she said.

Also, she has a fatter friend who uses her photo (ie, with nice slender legs) on wechat with the face mostly obscured she said.

So, yeah, a lot of chicks on BR at the moment: hundreds. And safe too, never had a problem myself.

[QUOTE=Franga;2055335]Just completed a session with a semi-regular Beach Rd provider. She's pretty hot. Damage 1000 baht. She was telling me some stories.

There was one guy who wanted to go bareback with her, but she is very health conscious and kept refusing his ever increasing offers which reached 3500 baht. She is scared of HIV. So no deal. She said that it is the falangs (ie caucasians) who want to do BB, not the Indians who always want to use a condom.

She knows chicks on Beach Rd who are popping pills for the control of HIV she said.

Also, she has a fatter friend who uses her photo (ie, with nice slender legs) on wechat with the face mostly obscured she said.

So, yeah, a lot of chicks on BR at the moment: hundreds. And safe too, never had a problem myself.[/QUOTE]In Beach Rd is a lot of hookers because she's free and self employed, don't need to care about mama bar, and don't need to pay for bar or another club if she can't come to work, this is most of the reason why is so many girl on BR about hiv and another virus is possible get from high class club sick working girl, same from the street.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2055288]Dumb is thinking that you are going to go to the beach at night in a third world country full of ladyboys that want surgery shining (showing off your valuables) or carrying a fat wallet. Then of course it may be dangerous for you. Anytime you read about the street robberies it was the thief going after something they could see, such as a gold chain or a bulging wallet. I have never had any problems even going to Beach Road in the wee hours, because I do not present myself that way. I wear a simple sports watch and only carry the money I need and my ID with no wallet. But for the dumb among us, the police has set up checkpoints in the exact area where they katoeys used to rob you guys along BR and WS. So I think it is now much safer to carry on wearing your jewels as you were before.[/QUOTE]Leaving your hotel with a fat wallet on display whatever that actually means is unnecessary and unwise anywhere. Wearing your nice watch while it would be foolhardy wandering around the favelas of Rio or the slums of Caracas should not be described as dumb when done in Pattaya or indeed anywhere in Thailand. I've lived here for almost 20 years mostly in Bangkok, wear my expensive watch wherever I go and resent this being described as dumb.

Hope my next post is not from Bumrungrad suffering from concussion minus my Patek. LOL.

It's been 12 years, and yesterday I finally experienced it for what it was. Besides MP and street action in the US, my previous overseas mongering was in MNL in the 90's. I got to see the glory days in the Ermita gogos.

In that first LOS visit 12 yrs back, I enjoyed a bevy of FL's in BKK. But damn me, when I rolled into Patts on that trip, I fell in with a GFE hottie on Soi 7 that I kept the whole time.

I began by hitting Soi 6 at 5:15. The only thing you can't get there before 6 is booze. Women everywhere, and I found the quality rather good, IMO. Plenty of the hot brown, inked up, nasty behaving Isaan girls I crave, like a thirsty man in a desert. I settled in at Horny Bar with one that caught my fancy, (24 yo MILF), bought her a drink, and fondled her thigh, whilst explaining to her what she had tattooed there. Thanks to Google Translate I could explain what a Dreamcatcher was, and it's spiritual significance to Native Americans. She has no idea and seemed pleased to know, if not impressed. Well of course others, even hotter, coworkers seemed to pop up. What's a man to do? Ask the one I'm with if I can take the other I fancy to the ST room too, of course. She came over, a younger browner MILF. After a drink sandwiched between them, getting my crotch and nipples tweaked, I paid the 550 each BF. I paid 650 for 2 hrs for a ST room, which I won't do next time. I thought I could fill up the time, but it wasn't sustainable like an MP visit might be. It was fun though, despite them not doing lesbian. I was happy getting double teamed with DFK and BBBJ. The older one would direct the younger. It was hot. I tipped 1500 each. Too much? The older one just pm'd me on LINE. Maybe I'll get her to help pick out another dark skinned, tatted up coworker.

Got some dinner and family time after that sizzling intro to Soi 6 earlier in the evening. Then with childcare set up for the kids in our group, I went off to Soi 7. While walking to BR, I relived old memories of those outdoor bars, and got accosted with low season ferocity. I don't notice that the talent is any better than Soi 6, but the nostalgia and its timelessness is a charmer for me.

At BR a short walk around assures me that the cops have not "cleaned up" everyone from working there. I see a very fit 40 ish woman who wanted to do me for 700 at the ST spot nearby, (300 fee maybe she said? I was tempted, but I spied an intriguing prospect back at 69'er Bar that I decided was the best of show.

She was still there. Not my usual pick, or ever really. A thick bodied, big woman, inked up to the nines. She was that big bodied type well within a healthy BMI. She had a firm butt, nice arch in the back, and her tummy was just fine, I don't need those six pack abs. I got rock hard feeling her up in the bar, so much of her firm body to enjoy. It's so sad women like this get body shamed. When feeling her tummy she said she was fat. I assured her that's not the case, and I put her hand on my erection as proof.

500 BF, 500 room. No BJ, but DFK, and lots of feeling up that unctuous body. Slipped inside her and finished up in mish while DFK and looking at that big expanse of ink best I could. Best freaking orgasm. In. Ages.

Gave her 1500.

I'm here 5 more nights. More to come.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2055188]Yes, safe if you; don't leave tourist areas at night; don't wear valuables. In other words. Not safe![/QUOTE]Seems to me that excessive drinking is involved in most incidents, with Beach Road / late at night / intoxication being the trifeta.

SL.

[QUOTE=SearcherMan;2055487]I began by hitting Soi 6 at 5:15. The only thing you can't get there before 6 is booze. <snip> I paid the 550 each BF. I paid 650 for 2 hrs for a ST room, which I won't do next time. <snip> I tipped 1500 each. Too much? [/QUOTE]Not lecturing rather trying to save you a bit over the next few days. BF is 300-350 per girl whether it be ST or LT. This is the first I've heard of a 550 BF. Low season inflation? Post raid rates? Rate per girl is 1000 each for standard 1 hour. If they stayed 2 hours maybe tip them 100 or 200 baht. 1500 for 2 hours is ok if you had a blast.

Still sad to see you still have to pay the extra ST room for a Soi 6 girl.

As for Soi 7, I'm not too experienced but AFAIK every bar except Shooters should be 1000 ST. When did BF go up from 300 to 500 on Soi 7?

[QUOTE=SearcherMan;2055487]

I began by hitting Soi 6 at 5:15. The only thing you can't get there before 6 is booze. [/QUOTE]This is great news!

I was hoping the Soi 6 restrictions were solely on the sale of alcohol and not on the bar actually being physically open. I don't drink much, so as long as I can spend a hot afternoon there with the ladies sipping my soda and lime or Coke Lite, I will be happy.

[QUOTE]

I settled in at Horny Bar with one that caught my fancy, (24 yo MILF),
[/QUOTE]Do you have her name?

[QUOTE]

I paid the 550 each BF. I paid 650 for 2 hrs for a ST room, which I won't do next time. I thought I could fill up the time, but it wasn't sustainable like an MP visit might be. It was fun though, despite them not doing lesbian. I was happy getting double teamed with DFK and BBBJ. The older one would direct the younger. It was hot. I tipped 1500 each. Too much? The older one just pm'd me on LINE. Maybe I'll get her to help pick out another dark skinned, tatted up coworker.[/QUOTE]The BF was 550 per girl? And you paid an extra 650 for a ST room? Did you have to go to a ST hotel or could you go upstairs? I am a little confused as BFs have been 300 - 350 and that included the upstairs room. So, did you have to go find a ST room / hotel someplace else and pay them 650? I mean, last May when I was there, I paid typically 300 to the bar, I went upstairs with the girl, and paid her 1000. That was it.

And yes, a 1500 tip is way too high! I used to tip maybe 100 regardless, but stopped doing that for average, typical, expected service. That is, they asked for 1000 for their services then unless they go above and beyond that, I pay them simply what we agreed to. I think I did pay a 500 tip a few times for service that went above and beyond, to the realm of GFE that left me in awe. But dude, if those girls rocked your world and you want to see them again, tip them all you want!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2055653]Not lecturing rather trying to save you a bit over the next few days. BF is 300-350 per girl whether it be ST or LT. This is the first I've heard of a 550 BF. Low season inflation? Post raid rates? Rate per girl is 1000 each for standard 1 hour. If they stayed 2 hours maybe tip them 100 or 200 baht. 1500 for 2 hours is ok if you had a blast.

Still sad to see you still have to pay the extra ST room for a Soi 6 girl.

As for Soi 7, I'm not too experienced but AFAIK every bar except Shooters should be 1000 ST. When did BF go up from 300 to 500 on Soi 7?[/QUOTE]Thanks, but I deserve a lecture. I found out the next day I got ripped. Won't happen again. And they came down from 800 LT BF at Horny Bar. I paid 300 BF LT for a hottie on Soi 7 last night at Vanda. The girl liked me, more on her later.

Her name was Pat, with a Dreamcatcher tat on her thigh.

Man I did get ripped, but I was hazy on the reports I read here and they were a while ago. All unbraiding will be well deserved.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2055654]This is great news!

I was hoping the Soi 6 restrictions were solely on the sale of alcohol and not on the bar actually being physically open. I don't drink much, so as long as I can spend a hot afternoon there with the ladies sipping my soda and lime or Coke Lite, I will be happy.

Do you have her name?

The BF was 550 per girl? And you paid an extra 650 for a ST room? Did you have to go to a ST hotel or could you go upstairs? I am a little confused as BFs have been 300 - 350 and that included the upstairs room. So, did you have to go find a ST room / hotel someplace else and pay them 650? I mean, last May when I was there, I paid typically 300 to the bar, I went upstairs with the girl, and paid her 1000. That was it.

And yes, a 1500 tip is way too high! I used to tip maybe 100 regardless, but stopped doing that for average, typical, expected service. That is, they asked for 1000 for their services then unless they go above and beyond that, I pay them simply what we agreed to. I think I did pay a 500 tip a few times for service that went above and beyond, to the realm of GFE that left me in awe. But dude, if those girls rocked your world and you want to see them again, tip them all you want![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2054602]LOL. What is unsafe about Beach Road?[/QUOTE]I'd say you need to be careful or very careful in the dark areas by the beach especially late at night. The area has a lot of homeless people and freelancers living there. And that is considered unsafe in any city.

Never paid more than 1400st on soi6 including everything. Is this low season price increase or something?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2055862]Never paid more than 1400st on soi6 including everything. Is this low season price increase or something?[/QUOTE]You are missing the point. He paid for 2 hours if I read it correctly. So extended time in the room with the lady. I believe that is why it was more. Longer use of the ST room and an extended ST encounter.

I finally figured stuff out, thanks to you guys here confirming it, and filing in the blanks. I made some newbie errors, but only pricewise. I really lucked out in the hotness dept with the 3 women I got on the first night. My error is I shopped around on the women, and not the price variations and "scams". I was too lazy to reread the older trip reports too, I'd forgotten the details of what I did read. But, luckily, they weren't fatal errors.

My 2nd night I went out about 7:30, later than the night before this time. I took a short jaunt along BR on the way to Soi 6 from Central Rd. There was some talent there, none of exceptional quality. It appears there is some dampening of girl turnout, compared to the YouTube vids I've seen of BR.

Upon hitting Soi 6, I immediately noticed that the good ones were mostly gone. Getting here well before 6 is the clue to getting those hotties. I met up with Pat at Horny Bar again, but not with the intent to BF her. I wanted to buy her a drink and see if she could grease the wheels on setting me up with another stunning hottie I saw the night before. Well all the good ones were gone already, as in the other bars. If there was a girl I wanted, then I would've haggled the price, with Pat, offering her a tip to get around the BS, but no need, I left for a better deal at Soi 7. I really like the mamasan system. There at Horny Bar, and a few others on Soi 6, it seems that Mr F's UK retinue are the onsite mngt, and I'd trust dealing with a farang on BF deals way less than a local mamasan.

I took another quick detour on BR, but with the same observations as above.

Walked up Soi 8 and was reminded how it's not as amenable to street side shopping as Soi's 6&7 are. I made two passes up and down Soi 7. I had no intention of returning to the girl at 69 er Bar. My eye was out for hotness. I saw one out in front of Red Vanda. I don't want to use her name without permission. She would've been easy to miss. But her face really caught me. She looked more Native American or Mestiza Mexican. She walked in her Daisy Dukes and 4" heels with a classy sexiness, a typical hot MILF in her 30's. I offered to buy her a drink, only to find that her English is quite serviceable. She accepted and offered me a seat, with an cool nonchalance. No nipple tweaking, crotch grabbing, just a nice, adult understated hospitality and interest in getting me comfortable. Somewhat intelligent conversation ensued. Uh oh, it happened. I'm prone to this. I should've know it would happen. I got ensnared in the GFE zone.

Pricewise, it was pro forma, 300 BF, and her LT rate she settled upfront, 2000. I agreed to that rate, and what she did to me in bed later really made me feel like a good deal. DFF, BBBJ, CFS. Like my first experience with a similarly aged MILF in BKK, well, she just f'd my brains out.

I'm keeping her until I leave, or it stops working out. I will continue to report my observations of the scene here as I can.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2055875]You are missing the point. He paid for 2 hours if I read it correctly. So extended time in the room with the lady. I believe that is why it was more. Longer use of the ST room and an extended ST encounter.[/QUOTE]Yes, me paying 2 hrs was an added error on top of the sucker rate. I believe that the mature BR hottie told me of a 200 or 300st rate she'd take me to.

This is a nice, small but clean hotel at the middle. Between Soi 6 and Walking Street. There is a small open air market at the front, sometimes tricky to get a taxi at the door step. There are lot of eateries and bar around. This is a good place to stay provided you care about some compromises.

They don't allow (at least did not allow me and it was early evening though) the 3rd guest, unless you pay the half amount of your booking if you booked for 2. This is weird at Pattaya, where my experience say the hotels would be glad to let you in the 3rd guest at a time (I don't know about the 4th one though). Upon enquiry, the duty manager told me that they were a family oriented hotel.

The breakfast place is small with limited choices. Otherwise it was a so so staying experience. I would not stay here next time only that they don't allow the 3rd guest free of charge.

T. F. E.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2055862]Never paid more than 1400st on soi6 including everything. Is this low season price increase or something?[/QUOTE]No, prices are always the same. Last month I paid every girls 1000 baht plus 300/350 baht room for the classic 1 HR ST. Also one day I had to take the girl back to my room because the ST rooms were closed and the price for 1 HR in my room was 1000 + 350.

Wonder if anyone has had any experience with the apparently Korean only white hotty girls on WS? If I offer them say 3. 5 k for ST are they likely to agree? Will they go for BBBJ and CIM? I have never come across as hooker who would turn back money, especially when it is volume based like ST. I wonder if maybe I wasn't assertive or forward enough with these girls and if I should have just made them an offer. I guess if they have the good looks, they have value and don't have to be nice like the brown girls, I was cautious to only pick girls who showed a good attitude but sometimes you're in the mood just to pound a hot looking girl.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2056012]Wonder if anyone has had any experience with the apparently Korean only white hotty girls on WS? If I offer them say 3. 5 k for ST are they likely to agree? Will they go for BBBJ and CIM? I have never come across as hooker who would turn back money, especially when it is volume based like ST. I wonder if maybe I wasn't assertive or forward enough with these girls and if I should have just made them an offer. I guess if they have the good looks, they have value and don't have to be nice like the brown girls, I was cautious to only pick girls who showed a good attitude but sometimes you're in the mood just to pound a hot looking girl.[/QUOTE]I had one a couple of years ago. It was end of evening and everything was shutting down, otherwise I don't think she'd go with me.

She was OK and a good shag. But everything about her was fake and I have a sneaking suspicion she was a post op -- pussy kind of shallow and felt weird. I think most of these girls may be.

[QUOTE=TfEight;2055917]This is a nice, small but clean hotel at the middle. [/QUOTE]Proper place for hotel talk: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1875-Pattaya-Hotels[/URL].

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2056038]I had one a couple of years ago. It was end of evening and everything was shutting down, otherwise I don't think she'd go with me.

She was OK and a good shag. But everything about her was fake and I have a sneaking suspicion she was a post op -- pussy kind of shallow and felt weird. I think most of these girls may be.[/QUOTE]


You think the white girl korean girls are often postop ?
Or gogo in general ?

Tricky. As long it's just a suspicion. Wouldn't want to fuck a guy in the ass. Hiv. Big risk.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2056239]You think the white girl korean girls are often postop ?
Or gogo in general ?

Tricky. As long it's just a suspicion. Wouldn't want to fuck a guy in the ass. Hiv. Big risk.[/QUOTE]If we are talking about the ones that hang outside of Lucifer, yes.

I also posted asking about them a couple of years ago on the board and some members also confirmed this.

But I can't say I am 100% sure.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2056298]If we are talking about the ones that hang outside of Lucifer, yes.

I also posted asking about them a couple of years ago on the board and some members also confirmed this.

But I can't say I am 100% sure.[/QUOTE]I don't go with street walkers, only go to gogo bars. Maybe a girl or 2 on soi 6.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2056012]Wonder if anyone has had any experience with the apparently Korean only white hotty girls on WS? [/QUOTE]White girls? Do you mean the Russians? They're going to cost you way more than 3500 baht ST. Or are you referring to the pale skinned gogo dancers you will find at Sensations and Baccara? Sure they will go with you for 3500 baht ST. As with most top gogo girls who have a choice, chances will drop the older you are though. They will make up a reason like they are dick scared.

When are you in Pattaya again? I'm more than happy to meet up with a FKK compadre.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2056038]I had one a couple of years ago. It was end of evening and everything was shutting down, otherwise I don't think she'd go with me.

She was OK and a good shag. But everything about her was fake and I have a sneaking suspicion she was a post op -- pussy kind of shallow and felt weird. I think most of these girls may be.[/QUOTE]There's a counter-phenomenon of CIS-gendered women getting confused with both pre and post-op trans women. My current GFE girl here says she loses a lot of biz because of that. She has small boobs, and a strikingly Native / Mexican looking face that seems too exotically beautiful to those used to the majority of Thai facial types. I know from her C-section scar and tongue inspection of vagina she very likely isn't one. I saw a 6 ft plus woman last night that I thought at first had to be a LB, but was so delicately boned in the face and body, I wondered if she might be misidentified. Usually tall trans have such an easy tell.

Hi all,

I am going to Thailand next month. Can I find Indian / south Asian women in Pattaya and Bangkok? I would appreciate any suggestions.

I am down from Chiang Mai visiting a friend. I don't know if all of the bars will be closed on the beach side of Sukhumvit or not. If yes, I was wondering if the bars on the other side might be open. I have never been over there. I have a Thailand drivers license and could rent a car to explore the area. Are there any particular bars that are recommended for a visit? Again, this second query depends on whether or not the bars over there will be open tomorrow.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Nuevo;2057188]I am down from Chiang Mai visiting a friend. I don't know if all of the bars will be closed on the beach side of Sukhumvit or not. If yes, I was wondering if the bars on the other side might be open. I have never been over there. I have a Thailand drivers license and could rent a car to explore the area. Are there any particular bars that are recommended for a visit? Again, this second query depends on whether or not the bars over there will be open tomorrow.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Yes, on Jul 08 and Jul 09 everything is closed. No alcohol sales on these dates. Sunday midnight, Jul 10 alcohol sales will resume.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwaiJ1_ESQ[/URL]

This appears to be a video of soi 7 from 7 year ago, notice how the girls are not old and ugly. Seems like fun. I missed out.

July 7 and 8 is Buddha Day, so everything closes from 9 pm - 3 am. So where do we get girls during that time?

[QUOTE=SmilingBuddha;2057131]Hi all,

I am going to Thailand next month. Can I find Indian / south Asian women in Pattaya and Bangkok? I would appreciate any suggestions.[/QUOTE]You will find Indian near Nana plaza in Bangkok and near the bus stop with the Africans. South Asians can be found in Pattaya, go to WS.

[QUOTE=Nuevo;2057188]I am down from Chiang Mai visiting a friend. I don't know if all of the bars will be closed on the beach side of Sukhumvit or not. If yes, I was wondering if the bars on the other side might be open. I have never been over there. I have a Thailand drivers license and could rent a car to explore the area. Are there any particular bars that are recommended for a visit? Again, this second query depends on whether or not the bars over there will be open tomorrow.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]One thing for sure the Darkside will be closed save the car rental.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2057334]One thing for sure the Darkside will be closed save the car rental.[/QUOTE]Thanks LBM,

Apparently the holiday closings are a two day afffair for many of the establishments I visited in Pattaya last night.

[QUOTE=Rewsna;2057234]July 7 and 8 is Buddha Day, so everything closes from 9 pm - 3 am. So where do we get girls during that time?[/QUOTE]Hit beach road if you don't have available girls on your Line.

Went to LK Metro for my first time with my GFE lady last night. Really laid back but lively alternative to WS and Sois 7&8. We went to Ninja gogo. Very pretty lineup of dancers, but a low enthusiasm rate, dance wise. But if I was solo I would not have had trouble picking out a lively one to my tastes. My woman enjoys watching the different ladies dancing at various gogos, she said. I didn't want to be a bad customer for her, so I bit the bullet and offered to barfine one for her to have sex with back at the hotel. She laughed good naturedly, and said she doesn't do lesbian. I assured her, with equal tongue and cheek jocularity, that I only wanted to be polite, and make her happy. The BF there is 1000, which would've been an expensive offer for lesbian fun anyway. And I'm sure these gogo primadonnas would've demanded more for ST than the 2000 LT I was paying my GFE.

The gogo and rest of LK closed down at midnight for the holiday. By my girl, who was acquainted with the Ninja mngr, said they'd be open the holiday but not selling booze. Sorry I didn't get hours and more specifics on that.

[QUOTE=Rewsna;2057234]July 7 and 8 is Buddha Day, so everything closes from 9 pm - 3 am. So where do we get girls during that time?[/QUOTE]Beach road, Thaifriendly, Badoo, Tinder, WeChat, etc.

[QUOTE=Rewsna;2057234]July 7 and 8 is Buddha Day, so everything closes from 9 pm - 3 am. So where do we get girls during that time?[/QUOTE]At the temple! Just work out some Buddhist pick-us lines.

[QUOTE=SmilingBuddha;2057131]Hi all,

I am going to Thailand next month. Can I find Indian / south Asian women in Pattaya and Bangkok? I would appreciate any suggestions.[/QUOTE]Yes, many are desperate for additional income at the India / Paki / Bangladesh consulates in Bangkok, easy to pick up! Just be discreet, do not offer more than 750 bahts. If you bring a friend to two, that will help.

I would greatly appreciate an update on the Soi 6 situation after tomorrow.

Some super hero go there and see if the closed till 6 pm Rule is sticking or if it was just for show.

What other areas are worth visiting during the day? The beach front bars like 5-star and the Soi 7 places? Will all of the girls just migrate there?

I didn't care what they did to WS, but touching Soi 6 breaks my heart. Someone go do recon and let the forum know what's happening after Buddha's birthday.

[QUOTE=Rewsna;2057234]July 7 and 8 is Buddha Day, so everything closes from 9 pm - 3 am. So where do we get girls during that time?[/QUOTE]Actually it is July 8 and 9. I just walked around in the area of Soi 13. Most beer bars are closed, I saw a few with a handful of customers sitting in the dark and without music.
Massage parlors are open.
And I was chatting for a while with a 'soapy girl' on WeChat who said she was working at the moment. So I guess the soapies are open too.

This board got really quiet!

Any updates on the Soi 6 situation?

Who has feet on the ground?

Have all of the women migrated to other areas during the day, or have they decided to go completely online?

I'm trying to figure out my day time schedule for my next trip and any updates would be awesome!

[QUOTE=Adrena;2058816]This board got really quiet!

Any updates on the Soi 6 situation?

Who has feet on the ground?

Have all of the women migrated to other areas during the day, or have they decided to go completely online?

I'm trying to figure out my day time schedule for my next trip and any updates would be awesome![/QUOTE]You missed my TR from last week. RTFF.

[QUOTE=SearcherMan;2058868]You missed my TR from last week. RTFF.[/QUOTE]I read your rookie reports and wasn't impressed. They are old too. I was asking for information related to after Buddha's birthday. Don't tell someone to RTFF if you can't even properly read two posts.

I want a new update because some of the Nightwish Group owners have made their anger known and I want an update on changes which were handed down last Friday before the alcohol was shut off for the holiday.

So, back to my original inquiry. Can someone there tell me what's going on with Soi 6 from 1 pm to 6 pm Currently.

Anyone know if the girls at hillary 4 can be barfined?

[QUOTE=Adrena;2058816]This board got really quiet!

Any updates on the Soi 6 situation?

Who has feet on the ground?

Have all of the women migrated to other areas during the day, or have they decided to go completely online?

I'm trying to figure out my day time schedule for my next trip and any updates would be awesome![/QUOTE]No alcohol served until 6 pm, as per the law. It's just the reality of the situation. Full lineup of girls don't show up until 6 pm. But, massage joints are still open so you could check out Soi Honey and Paradise massage. That's honestly what I have been doing in Pattaya during the daytime (not a drinker) as I find the talent there much, much better looking. Paradise Massage in particular, and the whole street + nearby streets like chaiyaporn have massage ladies. Check it out, it's a great daytime area that nobody ever seems to talk about nearly as much as soi 6.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2059046]Anyone know if the girls at hillary 4 can be barfined?[/QUOTE]This probably belongs in the BKK thread. Short answer. YES.

[QUOTE=Adrena;2058916]I read your rookie reports and wasn't impressed. They are old too. I was asking for information related to after Buddha's birthday. Don't tell someone to RTFF if you can't even properly read two posts.

I want a new update because some of the Nightwish Group owners have made their anger known and I want an update on changes which were handed down last Friday before the alcohol was shut off for the holiday.

So, back to my original inquiry. Can someone there tell me what's going on with Soi 6 from 1 pm to 6 pm Currently.[/QUOTE]Can't see the point in asking for updates after one of the many alcohol ban nights when you don't seem to be there and planning a trip that doesn't seem to be tomorrow.

Life starts again after the bans. Everytime, everywhere in Thailand.

Sometime doesn't even stop.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2059212]Can't see the point in asking for updates after one of the many alcohol ban nights when you don't seem to be there and planning a trip that doesn't seem to be tomorrow.

Life starts again after the bans. Everytime, everywhere in Thailand.

Sometime doesn't even stop.[/QUOTE]My trip starts on Saturday. It's close enough together that I'd like updates now. I had originally planned on all of August, but I decided to make it July instead.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2059097]But, massage joints are still open so you could check out Soi Honey and Paradise massage. That's honestly what I have been doing in Pattaya during the daytime (not a drinker) as I find the talent there much, much better looking. Paradise Massage in particular, and the whole street + nearby streets like chaiyaporn have massage ladies. Check it out, it's a great daytime area that nobody ever seems to talk about nearly as much as soi 6.[/QUOTE]About a year ago I got a massage from a nice girl in Soi Honey. When we had agreed on a price for the 'extra service' she pulled out a condom. WTF? A CBJ in Pattaya? I paid her for the massage and left. Maybe it was just bad luck or there was a clap explosion at the time, I don't know.

Anyway I agree the talent at the massage joints in that area is often better looking. And you might as well take a look in Soi 13-1 and 13-2.

I have booked my flight for my first trip to Thailand in February and after reading the different Thailand Reports I'm bursting with impatience to get there and to get amongst it all. Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? Also is the Kittens club at the Penthouse Hotel open now?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2059341]I have booked my flight for my first trip to Thailand in February and after reading the different Thailand Reports I'm bursting with impatience to get there and to get amongst it all. Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? Also is the Kittens club at the Penthouse Hotel open now?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I recommend to use the forum search, to get a balanced idea about Devils Den. The owner promotes it heavily on another forum, so there are probably a fair amount of "modest" reviews and also those who may be concerned to post public reviews that are fair / balanced.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2059341]Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? [/QUOTE]IMHO the line up and average service at Devil's Den is not worth the price.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2059576]I recommend to use the forum search, to get a balanced idea about Devils Den. The owner promotes it heavily on another forum, so there are probably a fair amount of "modest" reviews and also those who may be concerned to post public reviews that are fair / balanced.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. It seems very mixed. I will be cashed up so I will give it a shot as I will regret it if I don't LOL. Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2059341]I have booked my flight for my first trip to Thailand in February and after reading the different Thailand Reports I'm bursting with impatience to get there and to get amongst it all. Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? Also is the Kittens club at the Penthouse Hotel open now?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Kittens Club is permanently closed.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2059341]I have booked my flight for my first trip to Thailand in February and after reading the different Thailand Reports I'm bursting with impatience to get there and to get amongst it all. Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? Also is the Kittens club at the Penthouse Hotel open now?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]DD has been extensively reviewed on this forum. So I really wonder if due effort has been made to do a thorough search. As with almost everything in life, one man's trash is another's treasure. P4 P is no different, so please keep in mind that YMMV.

DD's model is simple. All girls listed on the site look pretty close to reality, some might have more makeup than others. The stuff they all do is clearly documented. If you do the deed onsite, you have to take 2 ladies and the place makes you feel like a pornstar. So if you want to fulfil a fantasy, then this is the place. If you book a lady to visit you at you hotel, then you can ask for just one girl. Prices are all fixed, no negotiation.

The place is owned and run by an America, so is very friendly and patient with all questions. I would suggest you give him a call and ask him everything and even book the girl you want in advance to avoid last minute disappointment.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2060319]
DD's model is simple. All girls listed on the site look pretty close to reality, some might have more makeup than others. The stuff they all do is clearly documented. If you do the deed onsite, you have to take 2 ladies and the place makes you feel like a pornstar. So if you want to fulfil a fantasy, then this is the place. If you book a lady to visit you at you hotel, then you can ask for just one girl. Prices are all fixed, no negotiation.
[/QUOTE]They also offer onsite nuru massage and you can take only 1 girl for this service.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2060339]They also offer onsite nuru massage and you can take only 1 girl for this service.[/QUOTE]Fair enough, but its specialty is the 3-some.

Doing an outcall with one only can be dine eith anyone as long as you are certain about her services.

Within that boundary any can fit.

You don't go to a top sushi restaurant to eat a Kobe steak.

Pattaya was a better experience for me this time than when I first went in 2004. This time I tried out Soi 6. Getting there before 6 PM was the only way I would do it in the future. You can buy them a soda and the lineup is good enough to pick out two for a threesome. But what really stood out for me was the reliability and hidden value of Soi 7. Both in 2004, and this last trip, the understated beer bars came through with gorgeous LT GFE's for me, Happiness Stars back then, and Red Vanda this time. Next time I go I will repeat, (with more financial savvy): Soi 6ST PSE, until I find a keeper on Soi 7, or similar beer bar.

I wrote a post about 106 pages back. I want to re-post it with some additional info for the new bros who won't read back further than five pages and assume they have Pattaya figured out. This list gets updated every six months or so and I strongly recommend reading it for the first-timers.

This is for complete beginners, so older members might think the observations are childish, because older members have been doing it for so long.

I won't give play by plays of my experiences unless it helps solidify my points. As always, older members are always welcome to chime in with their observations.

Another note, I'll be in Pattaya the second week of August. If you want to party, PM me.

I was 31 years old when I first visited LOS. I am a 6'2" (188 cm) 218 pound (99 kg) white American male. I have abs, an outgoing personality, and can bench more than my weight for reps. I can get girls easily in every country I've visited. I'm not bragging, I only included this info because I want to emphasise that I paid the exact same for the girls as every other member of this board. Looks do not matter! The girls want your wallet, not your abs. If I walked into a gogo and didn't buy LD (lady drinks) they would ignore me just as quickly as they would ignore an 80 year old fat ass. However, I can recall several occasions where pot-bellied men started throwing cash around without question. They were much more popular than me. Always remember the motto; "cash is king".

I lurked on this board for about six months before my first trip and back-read reports for over 100 pages. I strongly suggest each monger do the same before they visit Pattaya. (but I know most of you won't).

Here are my tips that you should absolutely follow:

1. You should be able to quote price ranges for any service within each part of town at any given time of the day / week / year. You'll learn these prices from reading the last 100 pages of this forum. Don't be lazy, just do it! If you can't name at least three Soi 6 bars, or the average price of a FL on BR at 6 am, then you haven't read enough.

2. You should understand this is not your country or culture! People here act differently; don't expect them to change for you simply because you are unable to change for them. (which leads to my next tip).

3. Keep your eyes open. When you enter any place, hotels, restaurants, go-go's, it doesn't matter, look around and pay attention to what other people are doing. If you see a monger groping a girl and the girl is laughing, you are allowed to do the same. If you see mongers sitting on their hands, you better do the same until you see otherwise. Also, keep in mind that some people can do things others cannot. Indians get treated differently than Japanese, that's just the way it is. Know where you fit in. You'll have plenty of fun regardless of your background.

4. Plan on using at least 6,000 baht a day. Don't think you can get by with less on your first trip. Being tight with your wallet will ruin your holiday and leave a sour taste in your mouth. Don't try to argue on this one. If you can't bring at least 6,000 a day, don't go. After your first trip, you can plan on how much to bring, but first time just do as I say! That 6,000 does not include hotel fare either, you cheap bastard. Seasoned Pattaya mongers spend a lot less because they already know what works for them. There is also a lot of debate about this number from seasoned guys.

5. Have a vague game plan before you leave your hotel each morning. You don't have to plan every minute but at least know what part of town you want to visit. Thailand is hot, you don't want to be standing in the sun trying to decide where to go.

6. Don't try to do everything in one day. I know it's your holiday but don't go overboard. I tried to visit LK Metro, Soi 6, WS, and go shopping all on my first day. It led to me feeling hurried and stressed. I spent more time walking than I did enjoying my holiday. I realized that aiming for two destinations a day is a lot better. Soi 6 in the afternoon then WS at night worked beautifully for me. You can mix and match destinations.

7. Learn to love the baht buses. I walked everywhere the first two days; it was awful! I was staying near WS and I walked to Soi 6 and back several times. It was a big mistake. I eventually hopped on a baht bus, and everything was a lot easier after that revelation.

8. Lower your standards for what you need in a hotel. Like tip 2 suggests, don't expect things to be like back home. Do you really need to stay at a 5-star hotel? If the same answer is yes, go ahead and spend a ton of money. You should make a list of the things you absolutely need in a hotel. My list was short: bed, toilet, near WS. I found a hotel with average ratings which was cheap. Turns out the hotel was freaking great! It was worth way more than the cost. I'll be staying there again.

9. Don't be shy! This is a rookie mistake I made. I tried being a gentleman and it made my trip less enjoyable. If you want a girl, go for it! Approach her, talk with her.

10. Just because you aren't shy doesn't mean you have a pass to be rude. Be the man with a smile, not the man with fist. If something frustrates you, remember this is your holiday. Let it go!

11. Relax! You will be overwhelmed your first time in Pattaya. You will get a flood of weird emotions. When that happens, find a relaxing place to reset and reassess your reasons for the visit. You read all these reports of men who land 11 girls in 6 days and you feel the need to do the same. The pressure can be bigger than you realized. Don't try to be that guy on your first trip. Be the guy laughing happily, not the dehydrated one looking to refill fluids. If you see a girl who gets you going, have fun! If you are tired from the previous girl, don't feel like you have to get another just to keep up with studs on this board. They've been here several times. They've been training for the marathon. You're still just a sprinter. Some of the guys in this forum are freaks of nature. Even with pills, I can't keep up with their numbers.

12. Try eating at different places for each meal. This one is a little more personal, but I feel the need to say it since I love experiencing new things. Don't go to the same place over and over. Also, be wary of seafood if it's been sitting outside all day.

IllusionHeart added these:

13. If you like a girl at a bar or gogo then barfine her or close the deal for ST or LT whichever you may like. Chances are that she will probably not be there if you come back for her after hopping few more places. There are tons of beautiful girls to meet everyone's taste and the search for the perfect one sometimes proves endless or tiresome. Hence as they say, "a bird in hand is better than 2 in the Bush. " Spend time enjoying the company of a girl rather then searching for the most beautiful girl around.

14. Girls are available around the clock in Pattaya. Do research for places if you have morning or day time preferences and you can roll 24 x 7 if you have the urge and stamina.

15. Do some reading on Ladyboys especially if you are not into them on how to identify and avoid as you can get a surprise in your room if haven't asked them before about their gender.

And the forum previously added this advice.

16. Know your drinking limit. If you get angry after seven beers, stop drinking at six. Your holiday will be quickly ruined if you make a drunken mistake. You don't want to start a fight in Thailand, and you don't want to be passed out drunk in the streets.

17. Know when to let stuff go. If the sign says "80 baht beer" but they charge me 90, I'll just let it go. 10 baht isn't worth fighting for. I once saw a monger angrily yell at two bartenders in the early afternoon because he was given a San Miguel Light instead of a regular San Miguel. I couldn't believe it! Don't be that guy. 1000 baht might be worth a disagreement, but 10 baht isn't.

18. Don't immediately get defensive when a girl quotes you a high price. If a BR FL asks for 1500, don't automatically think she trying to scam you out of your money. She's just trying to get what she can; don't take it as a personal offense because she didn't open with 800 or less. It is okay to negotiate, but it isn't okay to believe she hates you because that's what she asked for. Some guys take bargaining personal, please don't.

19. You'll see tons of posts in this forum arguing about money or complaining about Pattaya not being as great as it was; take those posts with a grain of salt. Many of them are bitter vets, or jealous haters. If you're new, you'll have the time of your life!

20. Maintain a high energy attitude! Dress hip / cool, act hip, show energy vs lethargy, and come across as a fun guy. Girls (particularly the younger ones) don't want just a boring guy. And more so, if like me, you stick with the under (say) 28. Haven123 added this one.

21. Never ever fall in love with a professional or non-professional girl. For me it is unbelievable how many Thai girls have 3, 5 or more different foreign friends at the same time who support "her girl" with money every month and every one of these guys thinks, that he is her only friend. Added by Michager.

22. OldNewGuy wants me to add that looks do matter somewhat when trying to pull the hottest FL (freelancers) from clubs like Ibar. I guess you shouldn't get discouraged if you can't pull the absolute hottest from that location.

As always, older members are encouraged to add to this list. Your advice is more helpful than you may realize. I'll continue to add to this list and post an updated one in six months or so.

"19. You'll see tons of posts in this forum arguing about money or complaining about Pattaya not being as great as it was; take those posts with a grain of salt. Many of them are bitter vets, or jealous haters. If you're new, you'll have the time of your life!

Good advice.

Luckily I avoided the "bitter vet" trap. Most of us old hands have a version of the "good ole days". For me it was repeated visits to the Ermita, Manila gogos in the late 80's, early 90's. Dozens of screamingly gorgeous Pinays on stage, fresh from the provinces, at rates that were excellent, even if you account for inflation. I figured out pretty quickly in 2004 that LOS wasn't that, not anymore anyway, if it ever was. But the complexity of Pattaya makes the hunt more satisfying than those Ermita days. The food is better too.

-4. "Plan on using at least 6,000 baht a day. Don't think you can get by with less on your first trip. Being tight with your wallet will ruin your holiday and leave a sour taste in your mouth. Don't try to argue on this one. If you can't bring at least 6,000 a day, don't go. After your first trip, you can plan on how much to bring, but first time just do as I say! That 6,000 does not include hotel fare either, you cheap bastard. Seasoned Pattaya mongers spend a lot less because they already know what works for them. There is also a lot of debate about this number from seasoned guys. ".

I have been to Pattaya once about 12 years ago before and did not spend anywhere close to that amount of money. Exchange rate then was about 39 thb to a dollar. I think I spent around $15 a night for motel, the roof garden inn, then Mr chans art house. Roof garden might have been $20. Food was about $1 a meal out of food carts. I spent about $20 a night on beer and lady drinks. I think I was paying 500 thb for bar fine, maybe it was less, I can't remember. I was paying 1500 thb for overnight.

I was there 2 months and probably average a girl a week. I wasn't a cheap charlie, but I was frugal. I had a couple of girls I really liked at beach club and I would buy them 1 or 2 lady drinks a night. I stayed in a frugal motel. Roof Garden had a lot of people here reccomend it. I left because I didn't book ahead and it filled up. Mr chans, next door, was a little rougher, but the people who worked there were really nice anpersomable.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2060948]-4. "Plan on using at least 6,000 baht a day. Don't think you can get by with less on your first trip. Being tight with your wallet will ruin your holiday and leave a sour taste in your mouth. Don't try to argue on this one. If you can't bring at least 6,000 a day, don't go. After your first trip, you can plan on how much to bring, but first time just do as I say! That 6,000 does not include hotel fare either, you cheap bastard. Seasoned Pattaya mongers spend a lot less because they already know what works for them. There is also a lot of debate about this number from seasoned guys. ".

I have been to Pattaya once about 12 years ago before and did not spend anywhere close to that amount of money. Exchange rate then was about 39 thb to a dollar. I think I spent around $15 a night for motel, the roof garden inn, then Mr chans art house. Roof garden might have been $20. Food was about $1 a meal out of food carts. I spent about $20 a night on beer and lady drinks. I think I was paying 500 thb for bar fine, maybe it was less, I can't remember. I was paying 1500 thb for overnight.

I was there 2 months and probably average a girl a week. I wasn't a cheap charlie, but I was frugal. I had a couple of girls I really liked at beach club and I would buy them 1 or 2 lady drinks a night. I stayed in a frugal motel. Roof Garden had a lot of people here reccomend it. I left because I didn't book ahead and it filled up. Mr chans, next door, was a little rougher, but the people who worked there were really nice anpersomable.[/QUOTE]It's better to have extra money if you need it rather than needing it but not having it, right? You openly admitted you were frugal, had a cheap hotel, and were getting one girl a week. Your comment will lead any Indians or other new mongers to believe they can get by one 1 k a day. I could close my eyes right now and plan out an entire day and say what I would spend at each location. That's how I could make my budget. A new guy doesn't have that luxury, so I advocate being on the safe side and say 6,000 baht. As it states, Seasoned Pattaya guys spend less.

LOL, number 4 always creates the most conversation. Thanks for reading!

My tablet went dead so I did not get to finish my post. Then I got on my computer, wrote several more paragraph and lost them. I am taking that as a sign that whatever else I had to say wasnt meant to happen.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2060948]-4. "Plan on using at least 6,000 baht a day. Don't think you can get by with less on your first trip. Being tight with your wallet will ruin your holiday and leave a sour taste in your mouth. Don't try to argue on this one. If you can't bring at least 6,000 a day, don't go. After your first trip, you can plan on how much to bring, but first time just do as I say! That 6,000 does not include hotel fare either, you cheap bastard. Seasoned Pattaya mongers spend a lot less because they already know what works for them. There is also a lot of debate about this number from seasoned guys. "

I have been to Pattaya once about 12 years ago before and did not spend anywhere close to that amount of money. Exchange rate then was about 39 thb to a dollar. I think I spent around $15 a night for motel, the roof garden inn, then Mr chans art house. Roof garden might have been $20. Food was about $1 a meal out of food carts. I spent about $20 a night on beer and lady drinks. I think I was paying 500 thb for bar fine, maybe it was less, I can't remember. I was paying 1500 thb for overnight.

I was there 2 months and probably average a girl a week. I wasn't a cheap charlie, but I was frugal. I had a couple of girls I really liked at beach club and I would buy them 1 or 2 lady drinks a night. I stayed in a frugal motel. Roof Garden had a lot of people here reccomend it. I left because I didn't book ahead and it filled up. Mr chans, next door, was a little rougher, but the people who worked there were really nice anpersomable. [/QUOTE]Rates have gone up since 2005. The exchange rate is now just 30 baht per dollar.

The suggestion to budget 6000 baht per day is reasonable and, if anything, may be on the low side now. If one thinks they want to indulge in high end gogo girls, they need to bring more. If they will concentrate on BR and Soi 6, they can get by with a little less. My recommendation is to prepay your hotel by credit card, then add up your expected expenses based upon the type of mongering you plan on doing and budget accordingly. Certainly, if this will be a once-in-a-lifetime experience, don't skimp out!

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2060968]Rates have gone up since 2005. The exchange rate is now just 30 baht per dollar.

The suggestion to budget 6000 baht per day is reasonable and, if anything, may be on the low side now. If one thinks they want to indulge in high end gogo girls, they need to bring more. If they will concentrate on BR and Soi 6, they can get by with a little less. My recommendation is to prepay your hotel by credit card, then add up your expected expenses based upon the type of mongering you plan on doing and budget accordingly. Certainly, if this will be a once-in-a-lifetime experience, don't skimp out![/QUOTE]The world does change. I am going there in August. I am here reading to get an idea on what has changed. So didn't mean my post as any kind of disagreement. I am thankful for the info and advice from here.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2060968]Rates have gone up since 2005. The exchange rate is now just 30 baht per dollar.

The suggestion to budget 6000 baht per day is reasonable and, if anything, may be on the low side now. If one thinks they want to indulge in high end gogo girls, they need to bring more. If they will concentrate on BR and Soi 6, they can get by with a little less. My recommendation is to prepay your hotel by credit card, then add up your expected expenses based upon the type of mongering you plan on doing and budget accordingly. Certainly, if this will be a once-in-a-lifetime experience, don't skimp out![/QUOTE]I think this is a good general ballpark figure. I was just there a month ago, and can confirm that prices have doubled or even tripled since the early 2000's. I get by with 4000-5000 per day (exclusive of hotel, which I prepay by credit card) and am very comfortable. But I am in my 60's and not the firecracker stud I was 30 years ago. Now most days I just drink and flirt with the girls, maybe hang on the beach or the hotel pool a bit, get a foot massage, whatever. Figure 2000 on food drink and miscellaneous during most daytime (when I decide to hit Soi 6 for daytime then my punting expenses happen during the afternoon instead of the evening) then a 2000 or 3000 more for the evening. My preference is to meet my evening company sometime after dinner early, then an early BF and dancing, drinking maybe some other places, and an overnight back at my hotel. For this I pay 2000 to the girl, plus whatever the bar fine is (none for a FL, 300-1200 for venues from beer bars to gogos and in between depending upon where I find my mark). Days that I want to splurge on a quite attractive gogo girl add 1000-1500 to my days expenses, days that I do my punting on Soi 6 in the afternoon subtract about 1000 or so. I recommend going to various places, you never know where you are going to find that gem (WS, Beach Rd, Soi 6, LK Metro, Soi Bukhao, wherever).

From conversations with others when there, it seems definitely that young bucks who want to do 3 different stunners a day will be shelling out a LOT more. I know I spent gobs of cash in my heyday when doing things like taking four or five gorgeous girls for a private party. But those days are now in the distant memory banks, and I am just a mellow old guy who likes the company of an attractive, younger (than me), personable girl who will make me feel good all night (and only part of that time is doing the deed). Yes I can get crazy and pretend I'm 20 years younger with a bunch of blue pills and Red Bull, but after a few days it gets old and I get tired and feeling it is not worth it. Sometimes on my trips nowadays, I find a keeper and buy her out of her bar for three or four days in a row, and we go somewhere nice out of the city. It is Thailand: go with the flow, have a wonderful time, and enjoy what comes your way.

I personally budget about 9,000 baht a day. I rarely use anywhere near that much though. I always come home with money left over and no regrets from being a cheap charlie. I've found that worrying about costs can dampen a holiday.

Sadly, this forum gets lurkers who think, 700 baht for a room, 50 baht for each meal, 350 for Soi 6 room, and 1000 for the girl. Maybe 300 for beer, since it's so cheap. I won't buy girl drinks. Those drinks are a rip off anyways. So, I just need 2,500 baht a day! And that's including the hotel!

I've seen people do their budgets like this and fully believe that's what will happen; it gives me a headache.

Also, notice that I said 6,000 after paying for the hotel room. If you are a lurker, don't be a stupid cheap charlie! Trust the veterans!

What's so terrible about saying LOS was better years ago? It was better IMHO and most others too. Girls were prettier, service was better, and it was much cheaper. It doesn't mean you should stay away now. Few, if any, other destinations are better than LOS for this hobby today. I can't wait to get back.

[QUOTE=Adrena;2060760]3. Keep your eyes open. When you enter any place, hotels, restaurants, go-go's, it doesn't matter, look around and pay attention to what other people are doing. If you see a monger groping a girl and the girl is laughing, you are allowed to do the same. If you see mongers sitting on their hands, you better do the same until you see otherwise. Also, keep in mind that some people can do things others cannot. Indians get treated differently than Japanese, that's just the way it is. Know where you fit in. You'll have plenty of fun regardless of your background.[/QUOTE]Hah looks like we may be in Pattaya at the same time? I'm starting out in Bangkok 23-26 then Pattaya 26-31. Short trip but all I could pull off in terms of days.

Indians get treated differently than Japanese. In what way if you don't mind me asking? I'm Hispanic but depending on where I am / who I'm interacting with people may confuse me for different races. Hispanics usually know I'm Hispanic. From there I've gotten confused for a lot of things including Indian / Middle Eastern. At the very least, I'll have a Northeast American accent hah.

Anyway, I feel like I'll need to explain at least a few times while I'm there that I'm not what they think I am so just wondering what I should expect.

[QUOTE=Allover;2060993]What's so terrible about saying LOS was better years ago? It was better IMHO and most others too. Girls were prettier, service was better, and it was much cheaper. It doesn't mean you should stay away now. Few, if any, other destinations are better than LOS for this hobby today. I can't wait to get back.[/QUOTE]Yes, this is still is a wonderful place for our hobby. Sure it has changed for the worse but still a lot of delicious fresh things appear on the scene daily. My sons friends (22) were asking me for the Intel for their first mission. The advice I gave is the advice I have provided here "Come with plenty of cash (6,000-8,000 THB per day) a smile and go with the flow and you will be treated like a King" 6,000-8,000 for ladies and drinks etc. A day is extremely excessive, however this upgraded amount will see your experience go from a 7 to a 10. An experience you will never forget for this and the next life.

Cheap Charlie options are available and also guaranteed a wonderful experience. But as many wise Mongers on this site have mentioned it is like going from a Toyota to a Mercedes Benz. You can also take that approach with most things here in LOS. Slightly increase your budget and the experience and value exceeds expectations. EG: Hotel rooms. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2060960]My tablet went dead so I did not get to finish my post. Then I got on my computer, wrote several more paragraph and lost them. I am taking that as a sign that whatever else I had to say wasnt meant to happen.[/QUOTE]I laughed out loud. Honestly. Great post.

I spent 382 a day not including flights but including hotel.

[QUOTE=Adrena;2060760]I wrote a post about 106 pages back. I want to re-post it with some additional info for the new bros who won't read back further than five pages and assume they have Pattaya figured out. This list gets updated every six months or so and I strongly recommend reading it for the first-timers.
SNIP SNIP SNIP
[/QUOTE]I would like to add tip number 23: Always lick pussy. 99.9% of the girls LOVE it and will be grateful you're not selfish and try to give them a good time as well.

And tip number 24: Find out what suits you most and stick to that. Don't think you MUST love agogo's or Soi 6 or whatever because other guys on the forum are lyrical about them / it. If you don't feel at ease somewhere or think 'meh' then move on to a place you like. Always go your own way and do what you like. It's YOUR holiday.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2061164]I spent 382 a day not including flights but including hotel.[/QUOTE]382 Baht? USD? EUR?

[QUOTE=Adrena;2060760]
17. Know when to let stuff go. If the sign says "80 baht beer" but they charge me 90, I'll just let it go. 10 baht isn't worth fighting for. [/QUOTE]Sometimes the 10% service charge is not included in the signs.

[QUOTE=Adrena;2060760]
19. You'll see tons of posts in this forum arguing about money or complaining about Pattaya not being as great as it was; take those posts with a grain of salt. Many of them are bitter vets, or jealous haters. [/QUOTE]We'll speak again in about 5 to 10 years from now when you're a vet yourself, LOL!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2061171]382 Baht? USD? EUR?[/QUOTE]Rubles.

NO. USD. Obviously, world default currency.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2061180]Rubles.
NO. USD. Obviously, world default currency.[/QUOTE]Oh really? But in Thailand the Thai baht is default so to me it makes more sense to use that currency in this thread.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2061187]Oh really? But in Thailand the Thai baht is default so to me it makes more sense to use that currency in this thread.[/QUOTE]Ok 382 baht.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2061170]I would like to add tip number 23: Always lick pussy. 99.9% of the girls LOVE it and will be grateful you're not selfish and try to give them a good time as well.

And tip number 24: Find out what suits you most and stick to that.[/QUOTE]Is 24 only applicable to current environment? Or does that go for every aspect of the trip? If 24 is for every aspect, your numbers contradict each other.

What if the first-timer hate eating pussy? I love eating pussy, but have no desire to put my tongue anywhere near the snatch of a Pattaya girl.

In my case, should I follow rule 23 or should I follow 24 and do what suits me?

I'd never feel comfortable telling a monger what to do once the door is closed. We are all freaks in this forum. Any sexual advice is likely to start tons of arguments.

24 is a good addition to that list, but I think 23 should be rewritten in a broader sense.

23. Keep the girls happy and they'll keep you happy?

[QUOTE=Adrena;2061216]Is 24 only applicable to current environment? Or does that go for every aspect of the trip? If 24 is for every aspect, your numbers contradict each other.

What if the first-timer hate eating pussy? I love eating pussy, but have no desire to put my tongue anywhere near the snatch of a Pattaya girl.

In my case, should I follow rule 23 or should I follow 24 and do what suits me?

I'd never feel comfortable telling a monger what to do once the door is closed. We are all freaks in this forum. Any sexual advice is likely to start tons of arguments.

24 is a good addition to that list, but I think 23 should be rewritten in a broader sense.

23. Keep the girls happy and they'll keep you happy?[/QUOTE]I don't think they are rules in the sense you have to follow them. I don't want to follow rule 23 either, but it never crossed my mind that I have too.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2061187]Oh really? But in Thailand the Thai baht is default so to me it makes more sense to use that currency in this thread.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Not only do many of us have different home currencies, exchange rates can vary quite a bit in even in a short period of time. For those reasons it makes sense for punters to state their Thailand spending in baht, and people can work backwards from there.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2061422]Agreed. Not only do many of us have different home currencies, exchange rates can vary quite a bit in even in a short period of time. For those reasons it makes sense for punters to state their Thailand spending in baht, and people can work backwards from there.

SL.[/QUOTE]Actually, nearly all my costs are expressed in USD on my bank statement. I simply added up all the money I spent and divided by the number of days I spent away.

I travel so much that I automatically convert currency numbers. I now keep up with five currencies, but that's only because of work obligations. If you only travel from your home country to another country then back home, stating it from your bank's currency seems logical.

However, the general rule-of-thumb for currency is, state the currency of the destination unless speaking to a fellow countryman.

The only exception to that rule is speaking with long term ex-pats. In which case, location currency is preferred.

I won't begrudge anybody who states their own country's currency. It's a natural tendency, even though it isn't the best etiquette.

At least you aren't trying to shake hands using your left. Now that's an unforgivable offense!

[QUOTE=DiveMonger;2060982] I get by with 4000-5000 per day (exclusive of hotel, which I prepay by credit card) and am very comfortable. But I am in my 60's and not the firecracker stud I was 30 years ago. Now most days I just drink and flirt with the girls, maybe hang on the beach or the hotel pool a bit, get a foot massage, whatever.[/QUOTE]We are close in age, but I sure don't let my age hold me back regarding mongering activities! I will average close to 3 girls a day over a 10-day stay, ideally with a mix of Soi 6, BR FL, WS FL and gogo girls. No, I hardly come with them all. I wish! But one just has to decide what they want to do. A typical newbie, and remember we are talking about newbies, will probably be fine with 6000 a day. But if said newbie thinks they will be drinking a ton and wants to live on Soi 6 during the day and bring home the hottest of the hot from WS for LT each night, then he may want to bring twice this amount. For me, I will bring $2000 per week for mongering and misc expenses (no hotel). That is usually twice what I will spend, but if I decide to hit up DD for a couple of three ways, and hit up Sky Fall or Peppermint a couple of times a week for LT, I will be prepared. Better to bring cash home than run out of cash and have to curtail your activities. So, newbies, add up the prices to fulfill your dream, double it, and you will be fine. For those with limited funds and who don't know if they will ever be able to come back, bring as much as you can and do all you can!

As far a rules go, I think we are going overboard. The "rules" shouldn't tell us what we have to do, IMHO. I think the intention is simply to give some guidance to newbies to help them out.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2061455]We are close in age, but I sure don't let my age hold me back regarding mongering activities! I will average close to 3 girls a day over a 10-da.[/QUOTE]That would exhaust me.

In my 10 day holiday I had planned 3 in Bangkok and 7 in Pattaya. After Avani changed guest policy I got a refund and rebooked refundable tickets to give flexibility which was advice from one of you. After Kevin in Thailand video today I've been looking into Phuket and Hua Hin. I'm thinking about doing 4 or 5 days in Phuket instead. I'm a younger guy looking for younger ladies. I'm 25 and not into older women at all. A week of hot 18 year old would be ideal. Would everyone agree here Phuket would be a better option for the 18-23 age bracket? All the information and videos I've looked at seems lot hotter / younger ladies in Phuket.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2061464]In my 10 day holiday I had planned 3 in Bangkok and 7 in Pattaya. After Avani changed guest policy I got a refund and rebooked refundable tickets to give flexibility which was advice from one of you. After Kevin in Thailand video today I've been looking into Phuket and Hua Hin. I'm thinking about doing 4 or 5 days in Phuket instead. I'm a younger guy looking for younger ladies. I'm 25 and not into older women at all. A week of hot 18 year old would be ideal. Would everyone agree here Phuket would be a better option for the 18-23 age bracket? All the information and videos I've looked at seems lot hotter / younger ladies in Phuket.[/QUOTE]Good luck with that idea.

IMHO Bangkok has the best potential for babging the top 18 yo hotties.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2061464]In my 10 day holiday I had planned 3 in Bangkok and 7 in Pattaya. After Avani changed guest policy I got a refund and rebooked refundable tickets to give flexibility which was advice from one of you. After Kevin in Thailand video today I've been looking into Phuket and Hua Hin. I'm thinking about doing 4 or 5 days in Phuket instead. I'm a younger guy looking for younger ladies. I'm 25 and not into older women at all. A week of hot 18 year old would be ideal. Would everyone agree here Phuket would be a better option for the 18-23 age bracket? All the information and videos I've looked at seems lot hotter / younger ladies in Phuket.[/QUOTE]First off, FLHawk, you are a monster and a freak of nature. Bagging 3 girls a day, every day, for more than a week? I get tired even thinking about that!

On my last trip, two soi 6 girls offered to take me upstairs for a threesome. I declined because I was so tired. I was sucking down Kamagra on that trip too. You are an absolute beast.

ThatGuy68, Phuket is a poor choice for mongers if you want young working girls. Phuket gets a huge amount of foreign Thai fighters training in Chalong, and bunch of backpackers visiting for a few days. The young girls there have adjusted their game to match the clients. You'll find the girl / guy ratio very unfavorable when compared to Bangkok or Pattaya. (there is still plenty of love to be had, but it isn't as good as the previously mentioned locations).

If you are looking for the best girls, and don't mind paying, go to Bangkok.

You mentioned Kev-In-Thailand's newest video. I watched it as well. He makes several good points, but he also adds that Pattaya isn't dead quite yet. If it's your first time, you'll love it! If it's your tenth time, you might be a little heartbroken. Either way, you'll still get laid.

Don't give up on Pattaya yet. I think it still has a few good kicks left.

[QUOTE=Adrena;2061216]Is 24 only applicable to current environment? Or does that go for every aspect of the trip? If 24 is for every aspect, your numbers contradict each other.

What if the first-timer hate eating pussy? I love eating pussy, but have no desire to put my tongue anywhere near the snatch of a Pattaya girl.

In my case, should I follow rule 23 or should I follow 24 and do what suits me?

I'd never feel comfortable telling a monger what to do once the door is closed. We are all freaks in this forum. Any sexual advice is likely to start tons of arguments.

24 is a good addition to that list, but I think 23 should be rewritten in a broader sense.

23. Keep the girls happy and they'll keep you happy?[/QUOTE]Fair enough. I didn't realize my tips could contradict each other.

But I'm wondering why you don't like to lick the pussies of Pattaya girls. Most of them are very fresh and clean. Are you afraid of STD's?
In my experience the sex is better if you DATY them. They get hornier and you don't need lube.

25 a bit young for a monger. You won't find enough girls in your age group. For me I prefer 18 or 19 to but I am still attracted to women all the way up to age 35 and beyond. Women in their late 20s are still young to me and worth paying for.

I understand that Walking Street must close at 3 am now. What time do the bars there generally open for business? What time will I find a decent number of girls showing up in the bars? Just trying to understand my window for play time. I see lots of posts about people reporting about activities on Walking Street but nothing about Walking Street's opening time.

I understand that Soi 6 now opens at 6 pm and closes at 3 am, I guess I'll cross that place off my list for daytime activity. One YouTube video I saw said that some of the bars on Soi 6 were open earlier than 6 pm but only serving soft drinks. That's fine with me if there are girls available, but another recent YouTube video I watched showed Soi 6 as a deserted ghost town with all the bars shuttered up during the day time. So, are the beer bars there opening a few hours earlier than 6 pm but serving soft drinks?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2061194]Ok 382 baht.[/QUOTE]Cheap charlie.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2061455]We are close in age, but I sure don't let my age hold me back regarding mongering activities! I will average close to 3 girls a day over a 10-day stay, ideally with a mix of Soi 6, BR FL, WS FL and gogo girls. No, I hardly come with them all. I wish! But one just has to decide what they want to do. A typical newbie, and remember we are talking about newbies, will probably be fine with 6000 a day. But if said newbie thinks they will be drinking a ton and wants to live on Soi 6 during the day and bring home the hottest of the hot from WS for LT each night, then he may want to bring twice this amount. For me, I will bring $2000 per week for mongering and misc expenses (no hotel). That is usually twice what I will spend, but if I decide to hit up DD for a couple of three ways, and hit up Sky Fall or Peppermint a couple of times a week for LT, I will be prepared. Better to bring cash home than run out of cash and have to curtail your activities. So, newbies, add up the prices to fulfill your dream, double it, and you will be fine. For those with limited funds and who don't know if they will ever be able to come back, bring as much as you can and do all you can!

As far a rules go, I think we are going overboard. The "rules" shouldn't tell us what we have to do, IMHO. I think the intention is simply to give some guidance to newbies to help them out.[/QUOTE]Completely agree.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2061513]I understand that Walking Street must close at 3 am now. What time do the bars there generally open for business? What time will I find a decent number of girls showing up in the bars? Just trying to understand my window for play time. I see lots of posts about people reporting about activities on Walking Street but nothing about Walking Street's opening time.

I understand that Soi 6 now opens at 6 pm and closes at 3 am, I guess I'll cross that place off my list for daytime activity. One YouTube video I saw said that some of the bars on Soi 6 were open earlier than 6 pm but only serving soft drinks. That's fine with me if there are girls available, but another recent YouTube video I watched showed Soi 6 as a deserted ghost town with all the bars shuttered up during the day time. So, are the beer bars there opening a few hours earlier than 6 pm but serving soft drinks?[/QUOTE]When I was there in June, every day there was one or two police raids on Soi 6; the demand was that they not be open during the day, only letting in customers for a drink after 6 PM. Made me monumentally pissed off. So next time I'm in Pattaya, I'll need to find a replacement for afternoon activities. My body just does not do well sleeping for 8 hours more after the sun comes up so I can party and drink from 7 PM until 3 AM before going home. This one thing in and of itself is IMHO one of the worst things to happen in quite a long time.

[QUOTE=DiveMonger;2061756]When I was there in June, every day there was one or two police raids on Soi 6; the demand was that they not be open during the day, only letting in customers for a drink after 6 PM. Made me monumentally pissed off. So next time I'm in Pattaya, I'll need to find a replacement for afternoon activities. My body just does not do well sleeping for 8 hours more after the sun comes up so I can party and drink from 7 PM until 3 AM before going home. This one thing in and of itself is IMHO one of the worst things to happen in quite a long time.[/QUOTE]What about Walking Street? What time do those clubs open and get going? Can I go to Walking Street and get action during the day or do I also have to wait for evening there also?

Hi guys,

I am really loving the reports of late about the Pattaya scene in general. I have never been to Thailand before, but I have had short visits to Indonesia, and I am finding same same but different. I think the main difference's are the religious cultures of both countries with the majority Muslim Indonesia a bit more modest in public. I still need to RTFF a lot more but I am really enjoying the insights and I can't wait until February.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Adrena;2061490]First off, FLHawk, you are a monster and a freak of nature. Bagging 3 girls a day, every day, for more than a week? I get tired even thinking about that!

[/QUOTE]Well, if I could release each time then perhaps I might be considered a beast, but those familiar with my reports know I have great difficulties releasing into a bag, so I am not a beast. Most any reasonably healthy man can get it up a few times during the day and do what I did, which is quite easy on Soi 6. Just start on one side of the street, pick a girl, then after her pick out another one and, after her, even pick out a third. It is not a huge deal. Don't ever-exert too much and simply enjoy being with a pretty young girl. I do think the frustration of not be able to come with one makes you want to try again! But I am not a beast!

Hey gents,

Been a while since I've been on the site and I'm actually planning a trip to Thailand (Bangkok and Pattaya) later in the year. So far I have penciled in Nov 1 - 15 on me flying out there. I remember another ISG member mentioning he was planning on going out around that time but mentioned something about getting wet in Oct, will it be dry by Nov? Also another ISG post mentioned around mid-late Nov the selection starts picking up as the girls start flocking in will Nov 1- 15th be too early? Thanks for the tips.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2061513]I understand that Walking Street must close at 3 am now. What time do the bars there generally open for business? What time will I find a decent number of girls showing up in the bars? Just trying to understand my window for play time. I see lots of posts about people reporting about activities on Walking Street but nothing about Walking Street's opening time.[/QUOTE]The bars in Walking Street generally open around 8 pm, some of them maybe a little bit earlier or later.
I usually go there around 9 pm when there are a decent number of girls and customers already, certainly in high season.

Well, Soi 6 used to be my favorite spot to day drink. Now that it's gone, where do you all think is the best place to get a cold one during the early afternoon?

Here are a few places I can think of: Hooters, 5-star bar, Tahiti Queen, That beer bar complex on BR, and the beer bar complex near the entrance to WS.

Where is your favorite places to get a cheap beer and watch people walk by?

I'm entirely open to new places, but I would prefer to watch the waves and beautiful girls.

For those that know the place: The owner (and his Thai wife) of 'Hoek van Holland' in Jomtien has been murdered this week in Amsterdam (reasons unknown). Owner was apparently well known in Pattaya for his bar but also for his Thai Boxing events.

[QUOTE=Adrena;2062002]Well, Soi 6 used to be my favorite spot to day drink. Now that it's gone, where do you all think is the best place to get a cold one during the early afternoon?

Here are a few places I can think of: Hooters, 5-star bar, Tahiti Queen, That beer bar complex on BR, and the beer bar complex near the entrance to WS.

Where is your favorite places to get a cheap beer and watch people walk by?

I'm entirely open to new places, but I would prefer to watch the waves and beautiful girls.[/QUOTE]Maybe Soi 7 and 8 and the beer bars in that vicinity around BR?

I am usually finishing up a LLT and don't get the system reset and going before 7 PM anyway. So the new hours don't' really bother me.

And I really like the thought of Ibar getting going and closing earlier.

[QUOTE=Adrena;2062002]Well, Soi 6 used to be my favorite spot to day drink. Now that it's gone, where do you all think is the best place to get a cold one during the early afternoon?

Here are a few places I can think of: Hooters, 5-star bar, Tahiti Queen, That beer bar complex on BR, and the beer bar complex near the entrance to WS.

Where is your favorite places to get a cheap beer and watch people walk by?

I'm entirely open to new places, but I would prefer to watch the waves and beautiful girls.[/QUOTE]You can always buy the cheapest beer at 7 Eleven and walk to the other side of Beach Road.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2062223]You can always buy the cheapest beer at 7 Eleven and walk to the other side of Beach Road.[/QUOTE]LOL, I could do that, but it would destroy the mood. I'm not much of a drinker and I get bored very easily. Sitting by myself with a cheap beer sounds depressing. I'd much rather sit under a fan at 5-star bar and enjoy looking at the pictures.

Where do you gentlemen day drink now that Soi 6 is dry during the day?

I've been reading about the action shifting to Soi Honey and Buakhao.

For the ex-pats that are active before dark; where do you enjoy a beer with your friends?

Honestly, I rarely interact with farang when I'm in Pattaya. I can count on one hand all of the interactions I've had over the years. I talk a lot for work, so I'm naturally quiet during my holidays. I find it relaxing, but it isn't conducive to meeting new people. This trip, I wouldn't mind meeting some of you blokes. All of you older veterans have plenty of secret Pattaya knowledge to share.

So, where should I go to enjoy a day beer and make some new friends while chasing beautiful young ladies?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2062223]You can always buy the cheapest beer at 7 Eleven and walk to the other side of Beach Road.[/QUOTE]The [I]down on their luck[/I] beer drinking farangs seem to cluster around BR at Central Pattaya Klang, although you will have to learn to chain smoke cheap SMS cigarettes if you want to fit in LOL. Cheers!

SL.

Let's forget about where to get daytime beer for the moment. The more important question is where does one go for girls in the daytime?

Soi 6 doesn't open until 6 pm. Walking Street doesn't open until 8 pm.

Where do I get girls from 1 pm until evening? -- assuming that I'm not interested in soapies or picking up random girls from 7-11. I mean, yes, I realize that if you live in Pattaya, you've got a long list of contacts that you've built up and that you have girls on tap 24/7 and getting a girl is never more difficult than ordering a pizza.

But if you're the tourist who is visiting for a week, where would you recommend this dumb Farang to go for the easiest / best line-ups of girls during the day?

Or are dumb Farang American tourists just out-of-luck during the day?

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2062334]
But if you're the tourist who is visiting for a week, where would you recommend this dumb Farang to go for the easiest / best line-ups of girls during the day?[/QUOTE]This has been discussed before, even quite recently, and the answer is there is no easiest / best line-ups of girls during the day.

I think you have the following options:
- Massage parlors in the area of Soi Honey / Soi Bukhao and Soi 13-1 and 13-2.
- Maybe 'Gentlemen's Clubs' like Kinnaree Place and The Montana Bar if they are still up and running and worth visting. Didn't see any reports recently about these places.
- WeChat. Although it's a little bit hit or miss in the daytime, but certainly worth a try.

[QUOTE=SilverSurfie;2061939]Hey gents,

Been a while since I've been on the site and I'm actually planning a trip to Thailand (Bangkok and Pattaya) later in the year. So far I have penciled in Nov 1 - 15 on me flying out there. I remember another ISG member mentioning he was planning on going out around that time but mentioned something about getting wet in Oct, will it be dry by Nov? Also another ISG post mentioned around mid-late Nov the selection starts picking up as the girls start flocking in will Nov 1- 15th be too early? Thanks for the tips.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, November marks the start of the dry season. Most likely it will not be completely dry but the really heavy showers are over.
Over the years I've been in Thailand many times in the rainy season and it never really bothered me. In fact the rain is often very welcome when it has been hot for days in a row. It cools down and takes the pollution out of the air.

It's possible that mid-late Nov might be slightly better than early Nov but I wouldn't worry about that either.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2062357]This has been discussed before, even quite recently, and the answer is there is no easiest / best line-ups of girls during the day.

I think you have the following options:
- Massage parlors in the area of Soi Honey / Soi Bukhao and Soi 13-1 and 13-2.
- Maybe 'Gentlemen's Clubs' like Kinnaree Place and The Montana Bar if they are still up and running and worth visting. Didn't see any reports recently about these places.
- WeChat. Although it's a little bit hit or miss in the daytime, but certainly worth a try.[/QUOTE]This is a very good list. I would add just about any massage lady that catches your eye is a strong possibility. It is harder to find "legitimate" massage than massage with extras and I do not mean just a HJ.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2062357]
- Maybe 'Gentlemen's Clubs' like Kinnaree Place ..... if they are still up and running and worth visting.[/QUOTE]Last month Kinnaree had a weak line up not much girls and few customer. Price as usual 1000 baht for girl and 350 baht for room.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2062334]Let's forget about where to get daytime beer for the moment. The more important question is where does one go for girls in the daytime?
Soi 6 doesn't open until 6 pm. Walking Street doesn't open until 8 pm.
Where do I get girls from 1 pm until evening? -- assuming that I'm not interested in soapies or picking up random girls from 7-11. I mean, yes, I realize that if you live in Pattaya, you've got a long list of contacts that you've built up and that you have girls on tap 24/7 and getting a girl is never more difficult than ordering a pizza.
But if you're the tourist who is visiting for a week, where would you recommend this dumb Farang to go for the easiest / best line-ups of girls during the day?
Or are dumb Farang American tourists just out-of-luck during the day?[/QUOTE]
Club4, 007, Pirates, LE Carre Blanc, Club Sin, J CLub are all alongside each other.
Kinnaree and Heaven's on Pratamnak Hill.
Passion, KitCat, Jade, Rioja (if is open), Winchester (if is open) in Jomtien.
Geisha Bar in soi LK Pavilion, Cum Toghter (ex LE Carre Blanc) soi 33-3rd Road.
LOL_i_tas and The Den soi Chaiyapoon. Velvet Club soi Bongkot. Fairy Club soi Buakhao.
Massage shop in: soi Hoeny, Soi Chaiyapoon, Soi 13-1 and 13-2 and many more massage shop around.
Chat App: Thaifriendly, Badoo, Facebook, Wechat, Tinder.

Enough? ;-)

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2062432]Club4, 007, Pirates, LE Carre Blanc, Club Sin, J CLub are all alongside each other.
Kinnaree and Heaven's on Pratamnak Hill.
Passion, KitCat, Jade, Rioja (if is open), Winchester (if is open) in Jomtien.
Geisha Bar in soi LK Pavilion, Cum Toghter (ex LE Carre Blanc) soi 33-3rd Road.
LOL_i_tas and The Den soi Chaiyapoon. Velvet Club soi Bongkot. Fairy Club soi Buakhao.
Massage shop in: soi Hoeny, Soi Chaiyapoon, Soi 13-1 and 13-2 and many more massage shop around.
Chat App: Thaifriendly, Badoo, Facebook, Wechat, Tinder.

Enough? ;-)[/QUOTE]Almost enough. You forgot about The Telephone Bar, LE Poste, Bliss Lounge, and the other BJ bars on Soi Post Office. Other than that I would say it is a complete list.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2062363]Don't worry, November marks the start of the dry season. Most likely it will not be completely dry but the really heavy showers are over.
Over the years I've been in Thailand many times in the rainy season and it never really bothered me. In fact the rain is often very welcome when it has been hot for days in a row. It cools down and takes the pollution out of the air.

It's possible that mid-late Nov might be slightly better than early Nov but I wouldn't worry about that either.[/QUOTE]Rainy season in Pattaya is more about a thunder shower like short downpour every few days than a steady, hours long drizzle. Carry one of the $3 umbrellas from 7/11 and you will be fine.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2061950]The bars in Walking Street generally open around 8 pm, some of them maybe a little bit earlier or later.
I usually go there around 9 pm when there are a decent number of girls and customers already, certainly in high season.[/QUOTE]The Windmill A-Go-Go on Soi Diamond still has 7 pm-3:30 am on their website. It fills up quick after opening time.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;2062637]Rainy season in Pattaya is more about a thunder shower like short downpour every few days than a steady, hours long drizzle. Carry one of the $3 umbrellas from 7/11 and you will be fine.[/QUOTE]Carry a boat too. I think G&T forgot about the flooding.

A quality umbrella is an abolsute necessity. But I also think a good pair of water proof wading boots is a great idea for the flash floods that occur on many sois after every downpour. Check these bad boys out. The video is impressive.

[URL]http://www.orvis.com/wading-boots[/URL]

I would have a pair if I lived in Thailand.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2062614]Almost enough. You forgot about The Telephone Bar, LE Poste, Bliss Lounge, and the other BJ bars on Soi Post Office. Other than that I would say it is a complete list.[/QUOTE]I got the telephone bar on my list to check out next month. It's so far off in the middle of nowhere though. Or at least from a newbie perspective looking at a map it is. Pretty simple to catch a motorbike back to central Pattaya? Is it worth the journey? I've contemplated striking it off the map a few times. Guy on another forum insists I have to do it but was unable to give more details.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2062432]Club4, 007, Pirates, LE Carre Blanc, Club Sin, J CLub are all alongside each other.
Kinnaree and Heaven's on Pratamnak Hill.
Passion, KitCat, Jade, Rioja (if is open), Winchester (if is open) in Jomtien.
Geisha Bar in soi LK Pavilion, Cum Toghter (ex LE Carre Blanc) soi 33-3rd Road.
LOL_i_tas and The Den soi Chaiyapoon. Velvet Club soi Bongkot. Fairy Club soi Buakhao.
Massage shop in: soi Hoeny, Soi Chaiyapoon, Soi 13-1 and 13-2 and many more massage shop around.
Chat App: Thaifriendly, Badoo, Facebook, Wechat, Tinder.

Enough? ;-)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2062614]Almost enough. You forgot about The Telephone Bar, LE Poste, Bliss Lounge, and the other BJ bars on Soi Post Office. Other than that I would say it is a complete list.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2062357]This has been discussed before, even quite recently, and the answer is there is no easiest / best line-ups of girls during the day.

I think you have the following options:
- Massage parlors in the area of Soi Honey / Soi Bukhao and Soi 13-1 and 13-2.
- Maybe 'Gentlemen's Clubs' like Kinnaree Place and The Montana Bar if they are still up and running and worth visting. Didn't see any reports recently about these places.
- WeChat. Although it's a little bit hit or miss in the daytime, but certainly worth a try.[/QUOTE]Thank you! Thank you! Thank you Gentlemen for all the info. I was thinking of cancelling my trip to Pattaya after hearing that there was no daytime opportunities for fun in the city. But my trip is back on now. It looks like I should be able to make myself fairly busy during the day after all!

Thanks for all the info!

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2062731]I got the telephone bar on my list to check out next month. It's so far off in the middle of nowhere though. Or at least from a newbie perspective looking at a map it is. Pretty simple to catch a motorbike back to central Pattaya? Is it worth the journey? I've contemplated striking it off the map a few times. Guy on another forum insists I have to do it but was unable to give more details.[/QUOTE]Don't cancel it. Getting a mototaxi is not difficult. Ask the club staff to find you one if required, they are usually very cooperative.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2062790]Thank you! Thank you! Thank you Gentlemen for all the info. I was thinking of cancelling my trip to Pattaya after hearing that there was no daytime opportunities for fun in the city. But my trip is back on now. It looks like I should be able to make myself fairly busy during the day after all!

Thanks for all the info![/QUOTE]If all else fails, make sure the LT from the previous nights stays till late afternoon. That way you will get your fill.

And I agree the lists shared here are very comprehensive, but they are not highlighting enough the tremendous opportunity that online offers. I had reported a couple of years back about a trip that I had almost exclusively used online to bag women at all times of the day.

I also recently reported noticing an upsurge in the quality and quantity of women available online, and this might have something to do with the new rules. After all girls have to put food on the table and they will find a way to do it.

Absolutely no reason to cancel a trip.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2062731]I got the telephone bar on my list to check out next month. It's so far off in the middle of nowhere though. Or at least from a newbie perspective looking at a map it is. Pretty simple to catch a motorbike back to central Pattaya? Is it worth the journey? I've contemplated striking it off the map a few times. Guy on another forum insists I have to do it but was unable to give more details.[/QUOTE]From second road, drive up Pattaya Tai is around 2,5 km so not much far. Just take a mototaxi (if you don't want drive your own motorbike) and check by your self if the club can suit you. My advice for the newbie: if you are curious about the daytime clubs, go to the clubs and look with your eyes. Sometimes could be a waste of time but sometimes could be alot of fun.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2062790] I was thinking of cancelling my trip to Pattaya after hearing that there was no daytime opportunities for fun in the city. But my trip is back on now. It looks like I should be able to make myself fairly busy during the day after all![/QUOTE]Paranoid? LOL You really have no idea how many girls are around in Pattaya and available online. And behind Sukhumvit road in the Pattaya Darkside have more and more daytime clubs / bars. Really The bars to be seen are infinite.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2062381]This is a very good list. I would add just about any massage lady that catches your eye is a strong possibility. It is harder to find "legitimate" massage than massage with extras and I do not mean just a HJ.[/QUOTE]I want to support this excellent advice from Crazy4 Thai. As I am an old tired jaded punter these days, my preference is an older lady who I can enjoy time with and if things are good, spend an entire night with. The sexual activities are just one component of the experience, and often these days not even the most important component. As I like massages in Thailand, I use afternoon massages to evaluate massage ladies for later takeout. This last trip in Pattaya I got just a foot massage (no happy ending or anything else, it was out in the public street-facing windowed area of the shop) and ended up finding a lady who was cute and interesting and just fun. I didn't do her that day, but came back the next day and made arrangements for her to meet me at my hotel after she got off work (so no fee to the shop). We got a bit to eat, had a drink or two, and went back and had a nice night. 1500 baht. So I would highly recommend trawling for gash in the massage parlors; I am pretty sure that pretty much any of the massage ladies would be available for takeout (although the logistics might vary).

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2062691]A quality umbrella is an abolsute necessity. But I also think a good pair of water proof wading boots is a great idea for the flash floods that occur on many sois after every downpour. Check these bad boys out. The video is impressive.

[URL]http://www.orvis.com/wading-boots[/URL]

I would have a pair if I lived in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Do you use rubber boots when you go in the sea?

Unless you have a wound in your feet, flip flops will do.

Umbrella, I buy the foldable one at 7-11 2/300 boats, no worries to forget it somewhere when rain is over.

Fear of getting wet? Take a girl to the room and do the compulsory shower, she will dry you.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2062967]Do you use rubber boots when you go in the sea?

Unless you have a wound in your feet, flip flops will do.

Umbrella, I buy the foldable one at 7-11 2/300 boats, no worries to forget it somewhere when rain is over.

Fear of getting wet? Take a girl to the room and do the compulsory shower, she will dry you.[/QUOTE]Are you kidding me? I can't believe you, BionicMan, would walk thru those dirty puddles in flip flops. The only people I have ever seen wade through that filth are poor, barefoot, down on their luck, Thais. Not even crazy Russians walk through the backwater and with good reason. Those flash foods on the streets are the result of backed up, overflow, sewer water. I don't consider myself a germaphobe, but there is no way I am going to slosh around in those temporary street ponds. That's filthy polluted water. I hope your tetanus shots are up to date. 555, besides I never wear flip flops except by the pool. I find them terribly uncomfortable for walking any distance, plus I hate the look out on the street or in restaurants/bars. My current favorite shoe is the HOKA ONE ONE Challenger ATR 3. What a great walking shoe although actually it's category is Trail Running Shoe.

http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/shoes-and-boots/trail-running-shoes/hoka-one-one-challenger-atr-3

I tell you what, Bman. We should hook up one time after a rain storm and you can show me that you do walk through the backed up street water on Sukumvit, BKK in your flip flops. We will both have a laugh and then I will buy the 1st round of a quality craft beer somewhere. And then we will get you a tetanus shot.

[QUOTE=DiveMonger;2062948]I want to support this excellent advice from Crazy4 Thai. As I am an old tired jaded punter these days, my preference is an older lady who I can enjoy time with and if things are good, spend an entire night with. The sexual activities are just one component of the experience, and often these days not even the most important component. As I like massages in Thailand, I use afternoon massages to evaluate massage ladies for later takeout. This last trip in Pattaya I got just a foot massage (no happy ending or anything else, it was out in the public street-facing windowed area of the shop) and ended up finding a lady who was cute and interesting and just fun. I didn't do her that day, but came back the next day and made arrangements for her to meet me at my hotel after she got off work (so no fee to the shop). We got a bit to eat, had a drink or two, and went back and had a nice night. 1500 baht. So I would highly recommend trawling for gash in the massage parlors; I am pretty sure that pretty much any of the massage ladies would be available for takeout (although the logistics might vary).[/QUOTE]I only go with young stunners. All of the Thai girls I was with (except for one) were ridiculously warm and playful. I pay on average 4. 5 k a night which is the going rate for young attractive women instead of uglies or old dogs.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2062614]Almost enough. You forgot about The Telephone Bar, LE Poste, Bliss Lounge, and the other BJ bars on Soi Post Office. Other than that I would say it is a complete list.[/QUOTE]Bliss currently is closed for renovation according to its sign posted on front.

Wednesday night Walking Street and Beach Road were flooded from the thunderstorm rain. Flood level breached over sidewalk curb height on Beach Rd. Forcing all the FLs and the homeless to scramble for shelter on the east side of the road where it's better illuminated thereby had the opportunity to get a good of the faces of the FLs.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2063137]I pay on average 4. 5 k a night which is the going rate for young attractive women instead of uglies or old dogs.[/QUOTE]If you say so. I am very happy for the girls who can extract that sort of money.

Thai economy will resurrect as those girls will have then big spending capacity compared to the average.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2063220]If you say so. I am very happy for the girls who can extract that sort of money.

Thai economy will resurrect as those girls will have then big spending capacity compared to the average.[/QUOTE]As I've said many times before; show me where to find a pretty young woman LT for 1500 baht and I'll do it. All the suggestions I've seen lead to average-at best looking girls or dogs in their mid 30's.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2063295]As I've said many times before; show me where to find a pretty young woman LT for 1500 baht and I'll do it. All the suggestions I've seen lead to average-at best looking girls or dogs in their mid 30's.[/QUOTE]Show me where to find the women that you are talking about and I will show you how much they will really go for.

Here are a few places open in the day time.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=1TBW8OkCo4Acz1ug7ssSBBNTxJ5U&ll=12.918495567874885%2C100.88870601503754&z=14[/URL]

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2062334]Let's forget about where to get daytime beer for the moment. The more important question is where does one go for girls in the daytime?

Soi 6 doesn't open until 6 pm. Walking Street doesn't open until 8 pm.

Where do I get girls from 1 pm until evening? -- assuming that I'm not interested in soapies or picking up random girls from 7-11. I mean, yes, I realize that if you live in Pattaya, you've got a long list of contacts that you've built up and that you have girls on tap 24/7 and getting a girl is never more difficult than ordering a pizza.

But if you're the tourist who is visiting for a week, where would you recommend this dumb Farang to go for the easiest / best line-ups of girls during the day?

Or are dumb Farang American tourists just out-of-luck during the day?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2063295]As I've said many times before; show me where to find a pretty young woman LT for 1500 baht and I'll do it. All the suggestions I've seen lead to average-at best looking girls or dogs in their mid 30's.[/QUOTE]I'm completely OK with average looking girls in their 30's as long as they fit some basic criteria:

-thin.

-petite.

-long dark hair.

-no tattoos or crazy piercings that make them look like a hardware store.

-warm and affectionate.

For ones that are not dogs, I generally pay 2000 baht LT / all night. 1500 you can get if you have a great rapport, get lucky, or she really really is turned on by you. As I am hairy and fat, and well past sixty, this becomes a rarity.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2063295]As I've said many times before; show me where to find a pretty young woman LT for 1500 baht and I'll do it. All the suggestions I've seen lead to average-at best looking girls or dogs in their mid 30's.[/QUOTE]Please show us some pictures of the 4500 bht girls so we will know where the standard is.

Lots of BR freelancers between soi 3 and soi 13/2 last night.

Visited LK metro. Ninja lineup not great but I got there late. One of my old favorites has returned after a year hiatus. Touch was busy line up average. Bachelor was bad the first set and I was literally out the door when I saw one I really liked so stuck around with her. Good time. Gold already closed. Too bad I liked that gogo bar.

Tonight I hope to get to the new walking street gogo clubs that just opened this week, Annabelle's, addiction, and tantra. Also will hit Miami nightclub, the old alcatraz.

[QUOTE=TellAll;2063451]Please show us some pictures of the 4500 bht girls so we will know where the standard is.[/QUOTE]Just go youtube and look at one of the WS videos. Pretty accurate.

WeChat can be hilarious sometimes:

I want to have shot time.

Facial massage and taxi driver.

Me ladyboy, the last thing you want.

Good girl, please don't hurt my filling.

I want some body love me.

Walking Street tonight. Absolutely packed. So much for low season.

First stop Annabelle's. The former G Spot. Talent was pretty decent. Some pretty faces but seemed like each girl had a flaw of some sort like crooked teeth, too thin, legs too big, etc. The lineup was more for those who like no nose jobs, etc. Like Syzy. More the traditional Thai look than the type of girls you will find at Sensations, Baccara, or Fahrenheit. I liked a couple so enjoyed a few lady drinks. I think it was 170 per LD. I didn't query regarding BF. Girls dress the same as Windmill so not sure if same owner.

Plan was to hit Miami which used to be Alcatraz. It is an open bar so you can see inside now. Place was dead so didn't bother to go in. Bar looked very nice though.

Next up wanted some skank so hit windmill. I really need to learn to hit Windmill BEFORE the other clubs since you can't go from even semi quality to Windmill. I did find a young looking skanky thing. A bit too thin for me but cute face and a dirty girl.

Time was running out for me so I had to choose between Sensations and Fahrenheit. Since it was after midnight on a weekend night I figure anyone good at Sensations would have already been BF by a Japanese guy. Off to Fahrenheit I go. Many many beautiful girls for my taste. I think I prefer Fahrenheit over Sensations these days. Tough for me to sample new ones there since I already have 4 regulars there but I managed to squeeze in a new busty one. Glad I did. If you're not a cheap charlie and willing to buy at least 3 drinks for each lady you want to make out with this is a great club. Cheap Charlie's don't bother but I guess the same applies to Sensations and Baccara too.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2063843]If you're not a cheap charlie and willing to buy at least 3 drinks for each lady you want to make out with this is a great club. Cheap Charlie's don't bother but I guess the same applies to Sensations and Baccara too.[/QUOTE]Why do you need to buy 3 drinks? Everywhere I have seen 1 will get you in. And sometimes 0. FL Hawk, what is the name of that club on Walking Street where the chick was all over me kept making me touch her pussy and shit. I didn't buy her anything. I just gave her 100 baht tip before we left.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2063848]Why do you need to buy 3 drinks? Everywhere I have seen 1 will get you in. And sometimes 0. FL Hawk, what is the name of that club on Walking Street where the chick was all over me kept making me touch her pussy and shit. I didn't buy her anything. I just gave her 100 baht tip before we left.[/QUOTE]Not all girls at the aforementioned clubs open up to full DFK, HJ, and DATY on 0 or 1 drink. Sure there are some / many who do at every club. Some clubs it's mandatory that you have multiple fingers up their pussy, a tongue down your throat, and they are giving you a HJ with 0 or 1 drink as you mention.

I pushed some girls away who wanted to DFK me and put her hands in my shorts last night and tonight. No drinks required. If they're not top tier girls I don't want them.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2062852]I also recently reported noticing an upsurge in the quality and quantity of women available online, and this might have something to do with the new rules. After all girls have to put food on the table and they will find a way to do it.

Absolutely no reason to cancel a trip.[/QUOTE]Hmmmm? I have not cancelled any trips, but I was in Pattaya in the last week of June and I did cut my trip short by a week and returned to Europe. Why? Because like the previous poster I like afternoon action, and I like being in bed well before midnight. My favourite afternoon haunt. Soi 6 - had turned into an afternoon graveyard. Such a disappointment.

I also tried to organise some dates online (as Blancuiceleste suggests), and as far as the internet goes this was very successful. I like anal sex, I like early afternoon sex. On Thaifriendly it was easy to find ladies who accept both and get their phone number (or Line address). The only problem was, once in Pattaya those same girls would tell me that, contrary to earlier promises, they were available only after 5 pm or / and only if I came to "their bar" and / or non-standard sex would have to be negotiated separately. In short: the online girls in Pattaya are a bunch of bait-and-switch merchants.

[QUOTE=Priamos;2063865]
I also tried to organise some dates online (as Blancuiceleste suggests), and as far as the internet goes this was very successful. I like anal sex, I like early afternoon sex. On Thaifriendly it was easy to find ladies who accept both and get their phone number (or Line address). The only problem was, once in Pattaya those same girls would tell me that, contrary to earlier promises, they were available only after 5 pm or / and only if I came to "their bar" and / or non-standard sex would have to be negotiated separately. In short: the online girls in Pattaya are a bunch of bait-and-switch merchants.[/QUOTE]'Online' is more than just TF. Try WeChat or Badoo next time. Not much bait and switch there and plenty of girls who are available in the afternoon, more than you can handle.

And maybe you will even find some of your former Soi 6 favorites there.

Did a quick tour of the soapies yesterday just for fun. Every now and then I do a tour. I have only banged a girl in a soapie twice in the past 6 years. Once in Pattaya and once in Macau (yes Macau was expensive as fuck, but I enjoyed it that ONE time for the experience with a Taiwanese girl).

Anyway, I saw a few good looking girls last night at Sabai Dee. I saw one in particular get up after she was picked by some guy. She had a really nice body. I'm talking really nice, with tits and ass. Shit, I might have to go back and do her.

Later, I walked down soi 7 and 8 and didn't see any girl that I liked. I was surprised by the lack of good looking girls. Being a regular here, I went back to my condo and texted a few girls. One of my former freaks came over in 10 minutes. She was looking good and performed great. She stayed about 2 hours. 1000 baht well spent.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2064002]
Later, I walked down soi 7 and 8 and didn't see any girl that I liked. I was surprised by the lack of good looking girls. [/QUOTE]Went to walk down soi 7 - 8 a couple of time last month and it was a sadness. Very low quality everywhere in these two soi. Also the "famous" Shooter had a very bad line up.

I've never understood the appeal of Soi 7 and Soi 8. I never see much there. I go often since I have a couple of friends working there but really pickings are slim.

shooter is overrated although I know guys who like it there. give me a top WS gogo bar any day.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2064008]Went to walk down soi 7 - 8 a couple of time last month and it was a sadness. Very low quality everywhere in these two soi. Also the "famous" Shooter had a very bad line up.[/QUOTE]Same experience when I was there in early-mid June. Very sad. If you want to just have a couple afternoon beers and get touchy-feely friendly with some pretty girls in the afternoon timeframe noon-7 PM, there seem to be many fewer options. I dm not much of a soapie aficionado. I guess I might have to try prowling some massage places and see if there is takeout ST that is worth it. My body just does not do all that well with the time shift to getting out of bed at 4 PM and having my day from then until 4 AM or daybreak. I'll need to figure something out for sure before my next trip.

[QUOTE=Priamos;2063865]Hmmmm? I have not cancelled any trips, but I was in Pattaya in the last week of June and I did cut my trip short by a week and returned to Europe. Why? Because like the previous poster I like afternoon action, and I like being in bed well before midnight.
.[/QUOTE]I just can't understand guys like you who force the same routine on yourself even though your 6 hours ahead (or more) when your in Thailand. Midnight in Thailand is 6 pm in Europe, why force such a drastic sleeping pattern change on yourself?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2064008]Went to walk down soi 7 - 8 a couple of time last month and it was a sadness. Very low quality everywhere in these two soi. Also the "famous" Shooter had a very bad line up.[/QUOTE]I ended up at Shooters a few times last couple of trips. Mostly out of inertia more than anything else. But I think you are probably right. Ws prices but not quality (though I always managed to find one I liked). I would have been better off at Faranheit or another good WS gogo.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2064022]I've never understood the appeal of Soi 7 and Soi 8. I never see much there. I go often since I have a couple of friends working there but really pickings are slim.

shooter is overrated although I know guys who like it there. give me a top WS gogo bar any day.[/QUOTE]I certainly would admit that it doesn't have the percentage of stunners like the one LK Metro gogo had that I checked out. But the ease of walking by and sifting through many women w / o having to buy a drink works for me. When you find that jewel, and I did big time, it's worth it. Also, probably half the cost of a st gogo girl for LT with a Soi 7 girl.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2063637]WeChat can be hilarious sometimes:

I want to have shot time.

Facial massage and taxi driver.

Me ladyboy, the last thing you want.

Good girl, please don't hurt my filling.

I want some body love me.[/QUOTE]There should really be a separate forum here with 'Funniest things heard on wechat / Whatsapp'. I could write a book on it. Find it hilarious the things some girls send.

Also a topic called 'Ladyboy yes / no' with a photo for others to vote on yes / no like in the good old days with those hot / not sites. Wechat is so full of them it's getting annoying. It's real real hard sometimes to see if they are or not and they aren't the most honest about it either: the.

[QUOTE=Priamos;2063865]Hmmmm? I have not cancelled any trips, but I was in Pattaya in the last week of June and I did cut my trip short by a week and returned to Europe.

...., once in Pattaya those same girls would tell me that, contrary to earlier promises, they were available only after 5 pm or / and only if I came to "their bar" and / or non-standard sex would have to be negotiated separately. In short: the online girls in Pattaya are a bunch of bait-and-switch merchants.[/QUOTE]Your story confirms, if ever needed, that too early pre-arrangements are useless.

The girls promise whatever as they can't waste much time on social media, entertaining guys thousands of miles away.

Can you imagine how many tens and tens get in touch with them with no plan to come to Thailand?

They have to make ends meet every night with cash not with bytes exchanged.

Social media is good when you are there.

TF can be a lurking tool to see what the market offers. Then go spot on when you are there: see, contact, deal and sign the deal, or move over.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2064119]I ended up at Shooters a few times last couple of trips. Mostly out of inertia more than anything else. But I think you are probably right. Ws prices but not quality (though I always managed to find one I liked). I would have been better off at Faranheit or another good WS gogo.[/QUOTE]Remember the time we both walked into Dolls gogo on Soi 6 and we both had girls we wanted there but were shocked that pricing for BF and services was equal to a top WS gogo club. That was disappointing given it's on Soi 6.

[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2064142]
Also a topic called 'Ladyboy yes / no' with a photo for others to vote on yes / no like in the good old days with those hot / not sites. Wechat is so full of them it's getting annoying. It's real real hard sometimes to see if they are or not and they aren't the most honest about it either: the.[/QUOTE]My experience is different. Yes, there are many ladyboys on Wechat but I think about 90% of them identify themselves as ladyboy in their profile. Of the remaining 10% there's only a small percentage where I'm in doubt. In that case I ask them for more pictures and if I'm still not sure I simply ask them if they are ladyboy or not. Can be a little bit embarrasing if she's a real woman but so be it. And I think about 99% of the ladyboys admit to me they are a ladyboy when I ask them straight away.

It was much harder a few years ago, when Wechat was not as big yet as it is now, when the majority of the ladyboys did not identify themselves as such in their profile. I think most of them got a lot of negative or even agressive reactions when people found out the truth and came to the conclusion that it's no use to hide it.

For what it's worth: it's 10 AM now here and I just did a search on 'People Nearby' in WeChat and I got 100 hits.
25 of them are ladyboy. Only 2 of them do not identify themselves as ladyboy in their profile, but nevertheless it's quite clear they are.
There's only 1 'lady' where I'm in doubt. She claims to be a real girl but I think she's a post-op.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2064255] I simply ask them if they are ladyboy or not. Can be a little bit embarrasing if she's a real woman but so be it. And I think about 99% of the ladyboys admit to me they are a ladyboy when I ask them straight away.
I think most of them got a lot of negative or even agressive reactions when people found out the truth and came to the conclusion that it's no use to hide it.[/QUOTE]Exactly. These guys are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. I don't think any of them are trying to trick anyone. At least they have never tried to trick me. Even if I approach one in person thinking it is female, they will say I am lb.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2064118]I just can't understand guys like you who force the same routine on yourself even though your 6 hours ahead (or more) when your in Thailand. Midnight in Thailand is 6 pm in Europe, why force such a drastic sleeping pattern change on yourself?[/QUOTE]Uhm... I think it doesn't work that way. After a few days your body has adjusted to the day / night (light / dark) rhythm of the place where you are.
So when it's 7 pm in Thailand, and it's already dark, your brain does not think it's 1 pm or whatever the time is then in your home country.

So actually I think it's better to 'force' the same routine on yourself. Or more or less the same routine anyway.
Works for me anyway. I have tried to be a night owl but I felt like shit after a couple of days.

Hello friends,

Bit late, but here is my 2nd part of my trip.

I think this will be more useful for Indian guys as I have certainly observed that different things and different setup works for different races.

Thaifriendly. Avoid it. It takes lot of time to prearrange and not guaranteed. Lot of better options available in front of eyes.

Beach road freelances. I was bit skeptical after going through some reports regarding quality and safety. But this option is far better. Particularly on weekend nights. I was impressed by the sheer number of girls available on Saturday night with some absolute stunners. Weekday nights are not that great but one can still find a gem. Trick is grab the girl once you like her and the vibes between you 2 are good. I messed up on Saturday night as I could not decide which to take. Sometimes too many good options are also spoil things as one tend to think lets find better one By the time we are back, earlier girl is taken!

Best option for desis is Nasha and Tonys.

Both these clubs play total Bollywood songs. Almost all males are Indians. So the girls coming to these joints are definitely comfortable with and ready to go with Indians.

Nasha. Lot of Russians (or from adjacent countries). However these are the girls who are beyond their prime time. I found most of them are leftovers from gulf countries. Once rich sheikhs drill them fully and they put some wights, past prime time, they shift to India and maybe Thailand. In Nasha, you have to be proactive and ask the girl. Most will just stand there waiting for you. Around 4 K full night.

Tonys. More Thai girls here and bit more interactive. Girls will hit you continuously. Around 2.5-3 k full night.

So my suggestion for desi boys is explore Nasha and tony along with beach road freelancers. You have more on your platter than you can eat.

Daytime I explored soapies, Soi 6, DD. Nights Nasha Tony BR.

One should have around 8 k per day for mongering purpose to have good time.

Also no need to do lot of research, just land in Pattaya. The place will guide you itself. Even after spending time in Pattaya somebody is not happy, no place in world can make you happy.

And please don't be rude and cheap charlie. By paying girl or joint, we are not owing them! We can be better travelers too. I personally felt bad seeing behavior of some of our fellas.

Enjoy and have a blast.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2064258]Uhm... I think it doesn't work that way. After a few days your body has adjusted to the day / night (light / dark) rhythm of the place where you are.
So when it's 7 pm in Thailand, and it's already dark, your brain does not think it's 1 pm or whatever the time is then in your home country.

So actually I think it's better to 'force' the same routine on yourself. Or more or less the same routine anyway.
Works for me anyway. I have tried to be a night owl but I felt like shit after a couple of days.[/QUOTE]That is actually my big problem: I reside 12 timezones away (North America) and my body DOES adjust to the local timezone when I am in Thailand. Problem is, my 'normal' time is to awake at sunup, and to relax at sundown, and go to bed a couple of hours later. I have not used an alarm clock in years, my body just automatically wakes at that time, and gets sleepy at nighttime. When I try to stay on my 'home time' so that I can do that bar / gogo thing from 7 PM to 4 AM, my body simply does not cooperate. Very frustrating, especially since afternoon and early entertainment seems to be rapidly drying up.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2064240]Remember the time we both walked into Dolls gogo on Soi 6 and we both had girls we wanted there but were shocked that pricing for BF and services was equal to a top WS gogo club. That was disappointing given it's on Soi 6.[/QUOTE]Those chicks were hot! We should have bit the bullet and done it. 555.

Me and Illusion walked in there in May and the selection was horrid. Stretch marks and bullet wounds.

Just finished a 3 pm stroll down Soi 6 for you guys. Over half the bars are closed. The ones that were open only had 1-4 girls in them with the odd exception like Ruby. Ruby had a young petite cute one who I will go back for. She was maybe only 1 of 2 doable girls for me on the entire Soi. Most were downright older and ugly. Never seen it this bad and I have seen some bad days on Soi 6 even before the rule change. Today's walk was to update you guys only. Seeing one of my regulars tonight and saving my energy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2064717]Just finished a 3 pm stroll down Soi 6 for you guys. Over half the bars are closed. The ones that were open only had 1-4 girls in them with the odd exception like Ruby. Ruby had a young petite cute one who I will go back for. She was maybe only 1 of 2 doable girls for me on the entire Soi. Most were downright older and ugly. Never seen it this bad and I have seen some bad days on Soi 6 even before the rule change. Today's walk was to update you guys only. Seeing one of my regulars tonight and saving my energy.[/QUOTE]This is sad to hear. Soi6 used to be bustling around 4 to 5 PM. Hope this rule changes soon. Is night time also dull due to the rule? Thanks for the report.

[QUOTE=CoolMumbai;2064280]Hello friends,

Bit late, but here is my 2nd part of my trip.

I think this will be more useful for Indian guys as I have certainly observed that different things and different setup works for different races.

Thaifriendly. Avoid it. It takes lot of time to prearrange and not guaranteed. Lot of better options available in front of eyes.

Beach road freelances. I was bit skeptical after going through some reports regarding quality and safety. But this option is far better. Particularly on weekend nights. I was impressed by the sheer number of girls available on Saturday night with some absolute stunners. Weekday nights are not that great but one can still find a gem. Trick is grab the girl once you like her and the vibes between you 2 are good. I messed up on Saturday night as I could not decide which to take. Sometimes too many good options are also spoil things as one tend to think lets find better one By the time we are back, earlier girl is taken!

Best option for desis is Nasha and Tonys.

Both these clubs play total Bollywood songs. Almost all males are Indians. So the girls coming to these joints are definitely comfortable with and ready to go with Indians..[/QUOTE]Great report Cool Mumbai, some good information for your countryman. Full respect for highlighting your 'fellow travellers' antics, although maybe not the same but we all raise an eyebrow now and then at our own countrymen & women on our trips around the world.

Day 1 in Pattaya.

After arriving in the evening, I had shower and headed for WS. Visited among others Doll House, Peppermint, Shark, Sweethearts. I could not find a girl in whom I was interested until 9 PM. I then went to Super Baby. This club has a wide selection of girls and I did not take much time in selecting a beauty, who was about 23 years. She had a nice body apart from being well mannered. Had a couple of beers there with her before moving into my room. Girl like my room in Penthouse Hotel with its lighting and dance pole. We had a quick shower and then I asked her to dance. Oh. That was nice, indeed. Started with DFK. She was cooperative from the beginning. After BJ, I fucked her in different positions and finished in about 12 minutes. Paid her TBH 2000 plus tips of 500. I had paid 800 as bar fine earlier.

Left again to WS after seeing off the girl. This time picked up a FL who was from Cambodia. Was about 27 years, though she claimed to be 21. Had a good session with her but could not cum. Sent her off paying TBH 800 which was agreed plus 200 as tips.

By the time I set off again, it was 12.30 AM. So, I went back to Super Baby. Though I spotted a nice girl and invited her for a drink, I did not take her to the room for another hour, as I was enjoying the beauties on the dias and having beer with the girl. Finally, we were in the room. Not a session to remember. The girl was okay but mechanical. Sent the girl paying 2,000 and no tips.

Had paid 800 as bar fine.

Dear friends,

Spent now more then a week in Pattaya, just give an update from my perspective what's going on nowadays. Usually daytime I hang around at the beach for some soda / beer and a massage; water dirty as always but hey, who cares. Went then three times around 3 pm to Soi 13/2. The Gogo on the right side coming from the beachm close to McDonalds which opens usually at 1 pm. Girls 5/10 to 7/10. Did not barfine the first two times; Third time I wanted to BF a cutie (which I had already one year ago after 2 weeks in the bar) but: super unfriendly mamsan (already the 2 times before), super unfriendly waitress and the gal not interested at all. Maybe some frustration, some people told me they shut down in September. Went sometimes instead of Soi 13 to Soi 6. From my perspective the action starts later then I know from my trips before. On year ago you could find already some real nice girls at 2 pm; nowadays it tends to be more 5 pm; even 6 pm is better and the bars are full. Identified one place (red dot I think) which is opposite an Aussie bar; nice to sit in Aussie bar and check the gals on red dot and toy box. Found one 22 year old super pretty girl, super nice and new room with perfect shower and bed (350 bht.) and ST girl (1.000 bht). Perfect.

Another day, Soi6 I went to Click bar. One maybe 30 year old caught my eye, top body, nice smile. One beer, one LD and BJ on the couch inside (curtain around) 1. 010 bht. Really good. Was at around 5 pm. When I left even more nice girls outside.

Walking street: Good to see that my favorite GoGo Peppermint still up and running with lots of funny girls (well, not the most beautiful but lots of dancing and smiling). Did not ask for prices, don't barfine that much from gogos, I like to drink in the night and bum bum daytime Another place I go usually just to watch the girls is Iron. Completely disappointment. Girls only on the first of the three stages, maybe 8 girls in total at midnight. Went to Whats Up, still the best girls BUT: Beer plus LD 485 bht. Asked for barfine: 3.000 bht, girl (9/10) requested 8. 000 bht ST! Crazy prices and little bit too pushy. Windmill closed due to renovations but the sister bar (forget the name, is on walking street, can't miss, its a sign which says sister bar of windmill). Still same action inside. Some of 4/10, lots of 5/10 and little 6/10. Prices OK (I forgot). Spend most of my time in the evening in Soi Metro. Still more relaxed, barfinded a 20 year old cutie (8/10) (sad thing: no word English). BF 800 bht, LT 5.000 Super Service, just did what I requested. One evening to the castle (for those of you who are into BDSM). Same procedure as always. You go in, get a show with 5 to 6 ladies / slave girls. Nice and funny. Total damage: 5.000 bht (first beer 900 incl. The show, 2 LDs (500 bht.) and one girl for one hour 3.500. Definitely worth the price if you are into it.

Hope it helps some of you guys! Bangkok Report will follow soon in BK chapter (Thermae, Kapoo Club, Soi Cowboy, BJ Bars).

Save travel and be respectful.

Cheers,

Flo69.

King's birthday today. Tons and tons of girls on Beach Road.

Arrived and caught a bus down to Pattaya, chatted with two older fellows on the bus, one Australian, obviously gay (he talked about Patpong a lot) and an American, ex Navy who travels the world and told me about the bars in Pattaya. They both knew what I was coming for in LOS, but we were surrounded by 'polite' company.

Arrived about 6 pm at the Aya Hotel really tired from the long flight / bus trip, so had a shower and a 30 minute nap and then wandered out into the evening twilight about 8 pm, was warm and dry (no monsoon rains).

Had some food from a street cart and then stopped at The Stones House had a couple of beers and watched the circus unfold and took it all in as the band played AC / DC and Rage Against the Machine covers it was a little early and felt like just watching the stream of tourists, Chinese scout troupes and guys on the prowl.

Intent on checking out SkyFall, Baccara and Lighthouse, around 10 pm I wandered up and down the street and admired the cute lasses touting for customers before visiting all three clubs as well as Infinity. I didn't much like Baccara, Lighthouse was ok, but made mental notes to return to Skyfall and Infinity, by now it was around midnight and the jetlag and half a dozen beers were sapping my will to stay awake and I headed for home. I took a trip down the beach side of the main drag and enjoyed checking out all the rather tasty looking FL's standing along it, feeling somewhat reinvigorated I decided to go back and choose one for a romp.

She was about 160 cm, slim and looked to be about 28 (probably older) dark skinned and spoke good English. Being a newbie and a little drunk, she asked for 2 K, I countered with 1 K for BBJ, DATY and 2 shots and we agreed on 1500. Back in the room after separate showers, I checked her out properly, some baby damage but not too noticeable and small handful tits, beautiful dark skin and a lovely smile. Started off with DFK, fingering and then on to DATY, no reticence from her and she seemed to enjoy it, made all the right noise and got very wet, gave me a great BBBJ slipped on a Johnny and started with doggy, then reverse cowgirl and finally missionary where I blew my load. Afterwards, over a drink, we chatted in bed, she was 35! (she looked way younger) and had two teenage kids. After 20 minute she started back to work on my John Thomas, while she was a trooper, the jet lag and the booze had had its' effect and I couldn't go a second round and called it a night. She showered, I gave her 2 k, she gave me her line and a hell of a kiss and we parted. Great first night in the LOS!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2063848]Why do you need to buy 3 drinks? Everywhere I have seen 1 will get you in. And sometimes 0. FL Hawk, what is the name of that club on Walking Street where the chick was all over me kept making me touch her pussy and shit. I didn't buy her anything. I just gave her 100 baht tip before we left.[/QUOTE]Haha, I do remember that! You are the master. I can't remember the name of the club, but your point that one can negotiate lower rates is made. However, you have the skills and the patience that many of us short-term visitors don't have or cannot develop in our limited time. I will be back in wet October and still owe you dinner my friend.

[QUOTE=Sammy1968;2066053]Arrived and caught a bus down to Pattaya, chatted with two older fellows on the bus, one Australian, obviously gay (he talked about Patpong a lot) and an American, ex Navy who travels the world and told me about the bars in Pattaya. They both knew what I was coming for in LOS, but we were surrounded by 'polite' company.

Arrived about 6 pm at the Aya Hotel really tired from the long flight / bus trip, so had a shower and a 30 minute nap and then wandered out into the evening twilight about 8 pm, was warm and dry (no monsoon rains).

Had some food from a street cart and then stopped at The Stones House had a couple of beers and watched the circus unfold and took it all in as the band played AC / DC and Rage Against the Machine covers it was a little early and felt like just watching the stream of tourists, Chinese scout troupes and guys on the prowl.

Intent on checking out SkyFall, Baccara and Lighthouse, around 10 pm I wandered up and down the street and admired the cute lasses touting for customers before visiting all three clubs as well as Infinity. I didn't much like Baccara, Lighthouse was ok, but made mental notes to return to Skyfall and Infinity, by now it was around midnight and the jetlag and half a dozen beers were sapping my will to stay awake and I headed for home. I took a trip down the beach side of the main drag and enjoyed checking out all the rather tasty looking FL's standing along it, feeling somewhat reinvigorated I decided to go back and choose one for a romp.

She was about 160 cm, slim and looked to be about 28 (probably older) dark skinned and spoke good English. Being a newbie and a little drunk, she asked for 2 K, I countered with 1 K for BBJ, DATY and 2 shots and we agreed on 1500. Back in the room after separate showers, I checked her out properly, some baby damage but not too noticeable and small handful tits, beautiful dark skin and a lovely smile. Started off with DFK, fingering and then on to DATY, no reticence from her and she seemed to enjoy it, made all the right noise and got very wet, gave me a great BBBJ slipped on a Johnny and started with doggy, then reverse cowgirl and finally missionary where I blew my load. Afterwards, over a drink, we chatted in bed, she was 35! (she looked way younger) and had two teenage kids. After 20 minute she started back to work on my John Thomas, while she was a trooper, the jet lag and the booze had had its' effect and I couldn't go a second round and called it a night. She showered, I gave her 2 k, she gave me her line and a hell of a kiss and we parted. Great first night in the LOS![/QUOTE]Welcome to Pattaya! I am glad to hear you are having fun. What you paid is your business and I applaud you for rewarding your lady for her good service. I am not one of them members of the price police that plague this board, but just FYI I think the girl would have been more than happy just with the 1500 you agreed on as this is still way above the going BR rate.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=Sammy1968;2066053]Arrived and caught a bus down to Pattaya, chatted with two older fellows on the bus, one Australian, obviously gay (he talked about Patpong a lot) and an American, ex Navy who travels the world and told me about the bars in Pattaya. They both knew what I was coming for in LOS, but we were surrounded by 'polite' company.

Arrived about 6 pm at the Aya Hotel really tired from the long flight / bus trip, so had a shower and a 30 minute nap and then wandered out into the evening twilight about 8 pm, was warm and dry (no monsoon rains).

Had some food from a street cart and then stopped at The Stones House had a couple of beers and watched the circus unfold and took it all in as the band played AC / DC and Rage Against the Machine covers it was a little early and felt like just watching the stream of tourists, Chinese scout troupes and guys on the prowl.

Intent on checking out SkyFall, Baccara and Lighthouse, around 10 pm I wandered up and down the street and admired the cute lasses touting for customers before visiting all three clubs as well as Infinity. I didn't much like Baccara, Lighthouse was ok, but made mental notes to return to Skyfall and Infinity, by now it was around midnight and the jetlag and half a dozen beers were sapping my will to stay awake and I headed for home. I took a trip down the beach side of the main drag and enjoyed checking out all the rather tasty looking FL's standing along it, feeling somewhat reinvigorated I decided to go back and choose one for a romp.

She was about 160 cm, slim and looked to be about 28 (probably older) dark skinned and spoke good English. Being a newbie and a little drunk, she asked for 2 K, I countered with 1 K for BBJ, DATY and 2 shots and we agreed on 1500. Back in the room after separate showers, I checked her out properly, some baby damage but not too noticeable and small handful tits, beautiful dark skin and a lovely smile. Started off with DFK, fingering and then on to DATY, no reticence from her and she seemed to enjoy it, made all the right noise and got very wet, gave me a great BBBJ slipped on a Johnny and started with doggy, then reverse cowgirl and finally missionary where I blew my load. Afterwards, over a drink, we chatted in bed, she was 35! (she looked way younger) and had two teenage kids. After 20 minute she started back to work on my John Thomas, while she was a trooper, the jet lag and the booze had had its' effect and I couldn't go a second round and called it a night. She showered, I gave her 2 k, she gave me her line and a hell of a kiss and we parted. Great first night in the LOS![/QUOTE]Great report! Was this your first trip to LOS?

Did you do a ton of research before landing up or just light reading? Or did you just sort of wing it? Point I am trying to make is, no matter what you do, you always end up having a good time in Pattaya if you are relaxed and not too worried by comments from others about what you pay or who you shag. As UV rightly said, what you pay is your business. Who you shag is even more personal.

Stay safe and have fun.

Thanks for comments.

I did a lot of research via this site and other sites before I came.

I had two days to enjoy before heading to Bangkok, so knew what I wanted / could do.

Yeah, paid a little too much, but the exchange rate makes me aware that 500 baht is only about $20 NZ, and I won't quibble over that if a lass does good service.

Also I'm a softy and am horrified by the poverty in Thailand, so tip a lot.

If a girl shows kindness, I'm a sucker.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2066219]Great report! Was this your first trip to LOS?

Did you do a ton of research before landing up or just light reading? Or did you just sort of wing it? Point I am trying to make is, no matter what you do, you always end up having a good time in Pattaya if you are relaxed and not too worried by comments from others about what you pay or who you shag. As UV rightly said, what you pay is your business. Who you shag is even more personal.

Stay safe and have fun.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. Pattaya is a go with the flow kind of place and Sometimes too much planning takes the mystery out of a tour. My last trip there I had a lot of plans and actually did none of them. Just got side tracked and found there was so much to do and so many girls.

Great report and made me think that maybe it is time to give a beach road babe a fling. Never done a street FL but after reading this report I may relax and enjoy the ride with one when there in two weeks time. Never know unless you give it a go.

Happy Hunting.

Are soi 6ST rooms in action?

[QUOTE=Axiata;2066408]Could not agree more. Pattaya is a go with the flow kind of place and Sometimes too much planning takes the mystery out of a tour. My last trip there I had a lot of plans and actually did none of them. Just got side tracked and found there was so much to do and so many girls.

Great report and made me think that maybe it is time to give a beach road babe a fling. Never done a street FL but after reading this report I may relax and enjoy the ride with one when there in two weeks time. Never know unless you give it a go.

Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]That is the spirit. I am a relatively new member to this forum but I have been visiting mongering destinations in SEA, particularly LOS for nearly 2 decades now. And each time has been a complete blast, no exceptions.

So over the years I relied on some word of mouth, some light reading and pure instinct to find my way. And it turned out great each time. I did have a few bad experiences, but those were one off incidents and had little impact on the overall trip. You could a truckload of planning and still have bad experiences.

IMHO the more you plan the more you set yourself up for disappointment.

Been here before, about 10 years ago, but don't remember lack of talent, smell of sewer everywhere and aggressive drivers. Well, things change, but in my opinion Phuket is a small paradise compared to this commercial beach reminiscent to those in America. One thing I must admit are those lovely German restaurants which I could not find in Berlin (I spent spring in Germany where almost all restaurants are Italian). Rented a place here in Pattaya on Photisan street from a Danish guy who, when I told him I'm a German said 'you're in luck, 90%of tourists and business in Pattaya are German, not sure what it means exactly as I see people from other European nations around, Australians and even Russians, so I guess it is very international. But those German restaurants are very good. I even went to Armenian restaurant and had an amazing ethnic plate with 5 kinds of minced meat, fresh mixed salad and some beer. LE Boulanger is cafe near Dolphin Circle I love the most, very expensive but it has great atmosphere.

Question; is Pattaya the biggest resort for sex tourism in the world? I have travelled almost entire world for mongering (SE Asia, South and Central America, Ukraine and Czech Republic, parts of Africa etc) but have never seen anything like this, the Danish man told me there is 1100 bars on this mega beach and every bar has 20-50 girls. Anyways, despite the lack of talent compared to BKK, I found a few model material girls, had a lot of fun, even anal is not a problem with some of them. Prices are fixed at 1300 for short term and 2500 for long term. BKK, for comparison is twice that, girls are better looking out there, but you can find some here in Pattaya too in spite of low season, BTW, it is not raining here at all so I guess I'm lucky if I overlook this incredible humidity which is so annoying. Anyways, having a good time, will stay here for three weeks and hope for the best.

Suggestions with bars and restaurants please, any other entertainment, would like to see and experience as much as possible.

Thanks brothers.

Had a girl yesterday from Soi 6 in a dirty room, I was not impressed at all, it was a short term at first and when she did let me do anal I invited her for overnight at my place, it was fun and after some more anal she let me kick it raw and even film it for a few minutes, her bar is called O bar and she goes by June. Her brother died in a motorcycle accident last night so she went back to Isaan for a week, I am not making this up, we had sex last night and in the phone rang, it was horrible, she burst in tears crying hysterically etc, anyways, its never a pleasant experience to see anyone suffer. Back to her O bar on Soi 6, do not go upstairs, it looks like hotels in Tijuana.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2065965]King's birthday today. Tons and tons of girls on Beach Road.[/QUOTE]So much for the tum ruat beach road crackdown?

Visiting Patts in early September, a couple questions:

1) Current USD / baht exchange rate in Patts?

2) Has anyone had any experience with Pattaya Express Taxi from BKK to Pattaya? Have used Limo Pattaya in the past, but PET is a bit cheaper.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2067992]Visiting Patts in early September, a couple questions:

1) Current USD / baht exchange rate in Patts?

2) Has anyone had any experience with Pattaya Express Taxi from BKK to Pattaya? Have used Limo Pattaya in the past, but PET is a bit cheaper.[/QUOTE]1 USD = 33.15 THB. But I can bet it will change by early September.

I have never used PET, but I doubt if it will be any cheaper than THB 1300 I pay for a private taxi (standard sedan like a Toyota Altis) when I need one.

Is Limo Taxi sending an actual limousine? Then the higher price might be warranted.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2067998]

I have never used PET, but I doubt if it will be any cheaper than THB 1300 I pay for a private taxi (standard sedan like a Toyota Altis) when I need one.

[/QUOTE]I checked on Uber for the fare from BKK to Central Pattaya, and it was something like 1260 Baht. Lyft is not yet in Thailand. Anyone have experience with Uber in the LOS?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2068111]I checked on Uber for the fare from BKK to Central Pattaya, and it was something like 1260 Baht. Lyft is not yet in Thailand. Anyone have experience with Uber in the LOS?[/QUOTE]I don't think uber has developed a lot compared to other countries at-least in BKK. Used it to go to airport, it costed more than the local taxi and was unimpressed by the service (based on one data point, so take it with grain of salt) though the car was pretty good.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2067992]1) Current USD / baht exchange rate in Patts?[/QUOTE]The [URL]xe.com[/URL] USD / THB cross minus 0,1 baht will get you very close to what the competitive money changes are offering. It always helps with acceptance to have pristine condition high denomination latest issue USD notes.

SL.

Just google "Pattaya taxi" and you will find many taxi companies that charge as low as 1000 baht from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya. I prefer the female driver companies and pay a bit more but that's just me.

I am in pattaya and need to get some testosterone cypiate. I take it at home but forgot it. How do I tell if the pharmacy is selling the real thing? I do not want to risk getting something that isn't the real thing. I found dome at one pharmacy, I don't know the name hough because it was in thai with no english. Thank you for any advice.

I was walking down the street and a lb came up to me and tried to pick me up. I said no thanks and tried to be nice. She was insistent. She grabbed my junk and I pushed her away, not really a shove. Anyway she left me alone. An hour later I went to buy some water at 7/11 and went to get my money. It was all gone and the pocket it was in was unzipped. It was a little less then 1000 baht. And was loose and no wallet. I guess in the big scheme of things it doesn't matter. But still be wary when people put there hands on you. It might be a ruse to pickpocket.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2064717]Just finished a 3 pm stroll down Soi 6 for you guys. Over half the bars are closed. The ones that were open only had 1-4 girls in them with the odd exception like Ruby. Ruby had a young petite cute one who I will go back for. She was maybe only 1 of 2 doable girls for me on the entire Soi. Most were downright older and ugly. Never seen it this bad and I have seen some bad days on Soi 6 even before the rule change. Today's walk was to update you guys only. Seeing one of my regulars tonight and saving my energy.[/QUOTE]What a difference a week or so makes. Maybe because this time I walked down the 6 at 5 pm or because today is Friday. Tons and tons of nice Soi 6 girls, many young ones too. Every 3rd bar or so on the North side seemed to have someone nice. No one would be disappointed with what I saw today. It was the best I have seen the 6.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2068111]I checked on Uber for the fare from BKK to Central Pattaya, and it was something like 1260 Baht. Lyft is not yet in Thailand. Anyone have experience with Uber in the LOS?[/QUOTE]You might find a fare that is cheaper but you won't find a rider who will take that trip. Pattaya Taxi drivers had recently roughed up a lady driver thinking she was an Uber driver. So most guys in BKK who driver for Uber won't take a trip to Pattaya.

And if this matters in anyway. Uber is still illegal in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2068330]I was walking down the street and a lb came up to me and tried to pick me up. I said no thanks and tried to be nice. She was insistent. She grabbed my junk and I pushed her away, not really a shove. Anyway she left me alone. An hour later I went to buy some water at 7/11 and went to get my money. It was all gone and the pocket it was in was unzipped. It was a little less then 1000 baht. And was loose and no wallet. I guess in the big scheme of things it doesn't matter. But still be wary when people put there hands on you. It might be a ruse to pickpocket.[/QUOTE]Smart man. No wallet and carrying less than 1000 baht. In the scope of things you came out pretty damn good. By the way, if it is in the pharmacy then I will say it is what it is labeled as.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2068328]I am in pattaya and need to get some testosterone cypiate. I take it at home but forgot it. How do I tell if the pharmacy is selling the real thing? I do not want to risk getting something that isn't the real thing. I found dome at one pharmacy, I don't know the name hough because it was in thai with no english. Thank you for any advice.[/QUOTE]Do you need a prescription for this stuff?

No experience here; but if you have a concern about fakes and cost was no object I would see if you can find a retail pharmacy inside or associated with a reputable hospital.

SL.

Hi all,

I hope this is appropriate, I have stumbled across this profile on social media and I'm wondering if any members have had the pleasure and can give some feedback. Her name is Modza and she is based in Pattaya. If it is a real profile I will definitely give her a shot, or two.

Thanks, Rob.

I went into a gogo club, and the woman who seated me told some young woman to come sit with me. I am mid 50's. I asked her how old she was and she is 20. I buy her a drink and put my hand on her thigh. She was nice enough but I couldn't help but think she didn't want some as old as her grandpa to be doing that. I met another bar girl who ismid 40's. She seems more my speed.

I was here 12 years ago and hints have changed. I don't think I was ever asked to buy a lady drink last time I was here. Now it is all the time. I was here 2 months the first time. This time I think a week and a half, then off to phuket. Before I would go to the same club pretty much every night. I had a couple favorites who would come and go sitting with me all evening. The gogol don't seem so receptive to that now. The music in some is terrible, just a dance beat and nothing to listen to. I did a lot of exploring the city last time, since I had plenty of time. Part of it is surely me being older.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2068440]Smart man. No wallet and carrying less than 1000 baht. In the scope of things you came out pretty damn good. By the way, if it is in the pharmacy then I will say it is what it is labeled as.[/QUOTE]It wasn't smarts, just luck. I do think I am a bit smarter now though.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2068111]I checked on Uber for the fare from BKK to Central Pattaya, and it was something like 1260 Baht. Lyft is not yet in Thailand. Anyone have experience with Uber in the LOS?[/QUOTE]I booked online via TomTaxi in English.

For 1400 Baht, had clean Toyota CAmry to myself frOm Pattaya Marriott to DMK.

I think it's a little cheaper to BKK or other parts of Bangkok. Trip took approx 2.5 HR.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2068534]I am mid 50's. I asked her how old she was and she is 20. I buy her a drink and put my hand on her thigh. She was nice enough but I couldn't help but think she didn't want some as old as her grandpa to be doing that. I met another bar girl who ismid 40's. She seems more my speed.[/QUOTE]Unless you look older than mid 50's you are not too old for a 20 year old girl in Thailand. Most guys I see look about 65-70+ imo.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2068534]I was here 12 years ago and hints have changed. I don't think I was ever asked to buy a lady drink last time I was here. Now it is all the time. I was here 2 months the first time. This time I think a week and a half, then off to phuket. Before I would go to the same club pretty much every night. I had a couple favorites who would come and go sitting with me all evening. The gogol don't seem so receptive to that now. The music in some is terrible, just a dance beat and nothing to listen to. I did a lot of exploring the city last time, since I had plenty of time. Part of it is surely me being older.[/QUOTE]You don't have to buy a lady drink just because a waitress sends a girl over to you or a random girl comes to sit beside you. Just politely say no and select the one you want. My rule of thumb is if I let myself DFK her or allow her to give me a HJ then I have committed myself to buying her a lady drink. Yes, Pattaya is MUCH different if you stay a long time or live here. You accumulate many regular gogo girls who don't push for drinks.

The YouTuber, "Mr. Where Are You Going? Just published this Soi 6 video from July 31st:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AlOnkb0ZDs&t=46[/URL]

I'm not sure of the time of day of this video, but judging by the length of the shadows at the end of the video as he exits Soi 6 (and extrapolating the sun's angle in the sky therefrom), the video appears to be taken sometime mid-afternoon.

The video shows the bars filled with plenty of girls, at least in the front of each bar. I didn't see any particularly attractive girls in this video but then again, you don't get to see directly into each bar from the angle of the filming.

In any case, I was surprised at how much activity there appears to be on Soi 6 mid-day given the June / July reports that seemed to suggest that Soi 6 would be more or less dead before 6 pm.

Do I tip food servers in Thailand? Is it 15 %?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2068547]Unless you look older than mid 50's you are not too old for a 20 year old girl in Thailand. Most guys I see look about 65-70+ imo.

You don't have to buy a lady drink just because a waitress sends a girl over to you or a random girl comes to sit beside you. Just politely say no and select the one you want. My rule of thumb is if I let myself DFK her or allow her to give me a HJ then I have committed myself to buying her a lady drink. Yes, Pattaya is MUCH different if you stay a long time or live here. You accumulate many regular gogo girls who don't push for drinks.[/QUOTE]I was seated with 3 women yesterday and asked 4 or 5 times if I wanted to buy them a drink. I said no, but still I wish they wouldn't ask especially with 3 there. It was the server who kept asking. How do I go about getting a HJ, from one?

My plan is to start going to beer bars a bit more and leave the gogo bars alone a bit.

I am taking a woman to a Buddhist temple today. I am looking forward to that. I found a pretty girl on one of the dating sights that does massage. I think I will see her tommorrow.

Maybe a 20 yo prefers me over a 70 year old, but it is hard to believe that a fresh young woman just starting in the gogo business wouldn't be a bit depressed about the idea of me groping her after only just meeting.

One of my goals here is to meet up with a 20 year old who is under 5 ft and under 100 lbs. I see a few but not a lot.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2068608]Do I tip food servers in Thailand? Is it 15 %?[/QUOTE]It's small money so best to make it 30%.

UH, I saw WAY more girls yesterday at 5 pm than in that video.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2068608]Do I tip food servers in Thailand? Is it 15 %?[/QUOTE]Not necessary to tip here. I learned from my thai girls only to tip around 20 baht. I will tip a bit more if eating at a more expensive steak house or I like my server. If you want your server to keep the tip, hand the money to her directly.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2068613]I was seated with 3 women yesterday and asked 4 or 5 times if I wanted to buy them a drink. I said no, but still I wish they wouldn't ask especially with 3 there. It was the server who kept asking. [/QUOTE]Which gogo bar (s) are you having issues with servers pushing for lady drinks?

If you want me to make you some recommendations on which gogo bars to go to, PM me.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2068529]Hi all,

I hope this is appropriate, I have stumbled across this profile on social media and I'm wondering if any members have had the pleasure and can give some feedback. Her name is Modza and she is based in Pattaya. If it is a real profile I will definitely give her a shot, or two.

Thanks, Rob.[/QUOTE]First of all Rob, she is nothing to write home about. A big long shot asking this don't you think? If you were asking about a girl working at a Gogo or massage shop identified with a name and number, we often can help. But to ask about a random freelancer from an unknown website or chat app, it's almost impossible. Do what most of us do with freelancers. See them and post about your experience. For example, where you met her? Thai Friendly, we chat, Imsomnia or another. How much you paid, quality of service and so on. Why are you so reluctant to pull the trigger on a freelancer without reading a review beforehand. Judging by her looks and being in Pattaya, what's the most money it will set you back? 1,500 Baht for St amd maybe 2,000-2,500 for LT? If you are not willing to write reviews and try girls and are only looking for us to provide you with information on random freelancers, then you have come to the wrong place. If you can't afford to spen 1,500-2,000 in Pattaya without someone posting a stellar review so you can be more comfortable to engage her, then you can't afford to come to Pattaya. I hope you understand my points. Now contact her, bang her, and then come and write a review about it. Simple and easy.


[QUOTE=Rob Jones;2059341]I have booked my flight for my first trip to Thailand in February and after reading the different Thailand Reports I'm bursting with impatience to get there and to get amongst it all. Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? Also is the Kittens club at the Penthouse Hotel open now?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Secondly, you are making the trip 7 months later. This freelancer could be long gone by then. The girls will not want to waste time making plans with some unknown guy for 7 months later. She will forget you after a few hours let alone 7 months. Give it a feast. Do what you did in Indonesia and do after you arrive. Also post a dam report about your experience as well.

Woke up at 10 AM. Had breakfast and headed to Honey 2 around 12.30. Good selection of girls. Chose a very nice girl for TBH 3500. Had fantastic time with her. Tipped 100 and she was happy. Would visit again.

In the evening went to several Go Go Bars. Finally settled at Sweethearts. One was a cutie and at about 165 cms fairly tall for a Thai. Decided to take her and had a drink with her. Accepted her demand of 2000 plus 1000 bar fine. I was pestered by her friend for a threesome, who too was nice but not a beauty like the other girl, but almost as tall as her. The price quoted was same and she did not budge. But my chosen girl too was requesting that I take her and she promised a nice session for me. I relented finally.

I did not regret my decision to spend TBH 6000 plus drinks for these girls. Had a fantastic session in the room with each of them competing to please me. Came out finally after multiple sessions and BJ. Tipped the girls TBH 200 each and saw them off. The night appeared young still at 11.45.

Continued hunting in other joints. Finally went into first floor of a Go Go bar. Cannot remember the name now. There were hardly three or four customers and five girls. The girls were average and one of them, I would say was good, rather best among them. Almost all the men left place by 1 AM and surprisingly I was the only one! But the girls were dancing mechanically except the girl I mentioned and I decided to take her. So, had a drink with her and then got drinks to all the other four girls plus bar tender. Had very nice time till 2 AM and left with the girl. I would say that the session with her was good. Saw her off finally at 5 AM and tipped her TBH 200. The agreed price was TBH 2000 all inclusive.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2068608]Do I tip food servers in Thailand? Is it 15 %?[/QUOTE]Tipping in Thailand is traditionally a token acknowledgement of good service. A service charge (10%) is already included in the price. Well actually there are really three pricing schemes:

1) The stated price is what you pay (price includes service charge and sales tax).

2) The stated price is then "plus" (price includes service charge) and 7% sales tax is added to the bill.

3) The stated price is then "plus plus" where both 10% service charge and 7% sales tax are added to the bill.

For a tip it is customary to round up to the nearest baht note and leave the small baht change. So if the bill is 448 baht leave 460 baht in notes, or leave the small change from bigger bills. Of course if it is a nicer establishment you can leave a bit more of a tip, but in any case the basic service charge is included in the total one way or the other.

SL.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2068613]I was seated with 3 women yesterday and asked 4 or 5 times if I wanted to buy them a drink. I said no, but still I wish they wouldn't ask especially with 3 there. It was the server who kept asking. How do I go about getting a HJ, from one?[/QUOTE]Me: A drink? She can't be thirsty. She has not done anything to make her thirsty yet.

Like Banana Boi said, drinks need to be earned, not just given out because someone comes to sit next to you.

Take their hand and put it on your dick.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2068613]Maybe a 20 yo prefers me over a 70 year old, but it is hard to believe that a fresh young woman just starting in the gogo business wouldn't be a bit depressed about the idea of me groping her after only just meeting.[/QUOTE]I guess you have yet to realize that that is why they are there. If there were no 50 year old men around to grope them, then they would be out of a job. And to some it may be less depressing sitting around in the ac with a guy groping them, than working outside in the scorching sun on a rice farm. I am always a bit depressed about going to work too though, so I can sympathize.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2067998]1 USD = 33.15 THB. But I can bet it will change by early September.

I have never used PET, but I doubt if it will be any cheaper than THB 1300 I pay for a private taxi (standard sedan like a Toyota Altis) when I need one.

Is Limo Taxi sending an actual limousine? Then the higher price might be warranted.[/QUOTE]I hope the rate goes up, I was getting 35 b to the dollar in January.

PET charges 1200 each way; Limo Pattaya, who we have used in the past is up to 1500 each way.

We are two bigger dudes, so prefer to pay for a decent ride. Also prefer to have someone meeting us at BKK when we arrive.

I will give PET a try. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2068613]
My plan is to start going to beer bars a bit more and leave the gogo bars alone a bit.[/QUOTE]You may want to give Billabong beer bar in LK Metro a try. Surprisingly I saw a couple of decent younger ones there the other night. Usually it's over 30's but you seem to be ok with that. While you're there check out some of the LK metro gogo bars. More laid back than Walking Street.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2068734] For a tip it is customary to round up to the nearest baht note and leave the small baht change. So if the bill is 448 baht leave 460 baht in notes, or leave the small change from bigger bills. Of course if it is a nicer establishment you can leave a bit more of a tip, but in any case the basic service charge is included in the total one way or the other.
[/QUOTE]Also in a lot of places they will bring out coins instead of notes, I think this being a hint that the coins are about the right amount of tip, say 30 baht if the bill is small. I usually take the coins and give them notes because the coins are useful for the BTS. 10% on top of the service fee is enough if the service has been pretty good.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2068625]

Not necessary to tip here. I learned from my thai girls only to tip around 20 baht. I will tip a bit more if eating at a more expensive steak house or I like my server. If you want your server to keep the tip, hand the money to her directly.

[/QUOTE]I have been wrestling with the tipping issue since I first visited here. When I am out with my Thai GF I let her handle most all of the spending, and she will tip more or less a fixed amount, such as BB's recommended 20 Baht, rather than a percentage. (I think she only tips because I question her when she doesn't)!) In other words, I concur with BB's recommendations, though I will still often try to give a 10% tip. If the service happens to be outstanding, I will give more. But who gives outstanding waiter service over here? I mean, how often do the waiters come around in Thailand to ask how the food is, do you need anything else, do you want dessert, are you ready for your check, etc? They do things differently there, which means we should tip differently as well.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2068818]10% on top of the service fee is enough if the service has been pretty good.[/QUOTE]What's this madness? On top of the service fee? Service fee IS THE TIP. At places that charge a service fee (on top of the price on the menu), there should be no tip, not a single baht, unless the waiter did something extraordinary and unusual. They shouldn't be able to charge for a fixed mandatory tip and get a tip on top of that.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2068858]What's this madness? On top of the service fee? Service fee IS THE TIP. At places that charge a service fee (on top of the price on the menu), there should be no tip, not a single baht, unless the waiter did something extraordinary and unusual. They shouldn't be able to charge for a fixed mandatory tip and get a tip on top of that.[/QUOTE]Totally agree, but I don't like coin so I will generally leave the loose change on the table when I pay in cash although it does depend on how much coin there is. One of the benefits of credit cards, aside from the 2% back, is there is no loose change.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2068761]Me: A drink? She can't be thirsty. She has not done anything to make her thirsty yet.

Like Banana Boi said, drinks need to be earned, not just given out because someone comes to sit next to you.

Take their hand and put it on your dick.

I guess you have yet to realize that that is why they are there. If there were no 50 year old men around to grope them, then they would be out of a job. And to some it may be less depressing sitting around in the ac with a guy groping them, than working outside in the scorching sun on a rice farm. I am always a bit depressed about going to work too though, so I can sympathize.[/QUOTE]So I am giving impressions for what they are worth, and sometimes I am going to be wrong. I think I was wrong on that. I met a real friendly mid 20's last night. The 40 year old was a big let down. I took a girl from some beer bar. I was a bit drunk and told her I might not be able. She said she would make it work. And damned if she didn't.

I agree on the work thing. I asked the 40 year old how she liked her job. She said she didn't really, but it paid better then her last job as a cook. That should have been a warning I guess. The girl last night said she didn't visit home because she missed the money when she did.

I like the beer bars better then gogos. I like playing games.

I will try the putting their hand on my dick thing. Thanks for the replies.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2068852]I have been wrestling with the tipping issue since I first visited here. When I am out with my Thai GF I let her handle most all of the spending, and she will tip more or less a fixed amount, such as BB's recommended 20 Baht, rather than a percentage. (I think she only tips because I question her when she doesn't)!) In other words, I concur with BB's recommendations, though I will still often try to give a 10% tip. If the service happens to be outstanding, I will give more. But who gives outstanding waiter service over here? I mean, how often do the waiters come around in Thailand to ask how the food is, do you need anything else, do you want dessert, are you ready for your check, etc? They do things differently there, which means we should tip differently as well.[/QUOTE]For some of us that obsequiousness is not good service. I do not want a waiter asking me how I like my food; they don't give a stuff, so why should they ask? I realise this sort of behaviour is the norm in the US, but people in other countries are not happy with this. A good waiter is unobtrusive until he / she is required. If I ask for advice, say about a certain wine, and get a good recommendation, that is what I regard as good service. This "Hi my name is. And I am your server tonight. " is rubbish I can do without.

Say I take a woman back to the motel at 10. We are finished by 11, then what? Neither of us would be ready for sleep. Do we go back out and do what?

When I was here long ago, I would sleep and assumed she did also. I don't know if the night life lasted as late then. Now I am not ready for sleep til later and would just lie awake.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2069003]Say I take a woman back to the motel at 10. We are finished by 11, then what? Neither of us would be ready for sleep. Do we go back out and do what?
[/QUOTE]Take her to eat, go to a late movie, go experience a Thai bar on the Dark Side, go play pool, go to a disco, take her to some gogo bars, watch TV with her and grope her for a couple hours before you sleep. it's all up to you. The fair is on now. Located on 3rd Road behind Central Festival. Girls love it there. Otherwise, save some cash and do ST and go get a second ST girl at midnight.

Fan stands across the road from Tahitian Queen. Petite, under 5 ft, slender, straight dark hair, white skin. Spoke English, said she's 20 why, from Surin, first week in Pattaya. Quoted 1000ST. In the hotel room she wanted me to pay first. Told her I always pay after. She demanded that I pay first. I said then she can leave. She refused to leave and started shouting for the money. As I called hotel security she threatened to phone her police boyfriend and claimed that she's only 19 thus I would have to pay 10000 to stay out of jail. She pretended to phone someone. Hotel security escorted her out.

Two nights later from a distance I witnessed her arguing with a customer at her spot on BR.

Hi,

Has anyone tried freelancers that advertise on ThaiFriendly?

Some of them assist at their rooms in Condos. Is that safe? Are the photos real?

As I am not really into bars and all that stuff, I am interested in more discreet options like freelancers during the day. So I wonder if the ones on ThaiFriendly could be a solution.

Thanks.

I love to work, but I am not rice farmer earning 10 k baht a month. When in Asia live as the Asians do. Don't think like western. Morals don't matter here.

Soi 6 seems good recently. More pretty girls than I remember.

I really want to go for a walk along the beech; but I hear it is not safe at night.

I was really wanting to have a small woman. I found one today, about 35 yo, 4'10, and maybe 90 lbs. I went to finger her butt hole, she asked if I wanted to do her butt. I said yes, and she said wait a minute and ran to the bath room. She come back out a couple minutes later and said no butt tonight, but next time. After things were done I asked her if I come back tommorrow we could do in her ass. She said sure. This is where she took my shoes. She walked over in probably 4 inch hells and was having a tough time. She put on my sandals and told me to get them when I get her tommorrow. I try really hard to go back when I say I will, so I knew I was going back there tommorrow. Anyway she ended up taking my sandals. It is just now 1030 and her bar is about 5 minute walk. I think I will go back tonight. They are about $50 Chaco sandals that I love.

Also I was having a hard time cumming, she pulled off condom and thought that would help. She was not rough looking but not pristine. She had a good body but some scars. Bar fine was 300, and I only had 1000 so that was total. I think she would have done whatever I wanted. It kind of worries me, cheap, eager to please, butt stuff, no condom. We used condom, I said we had to. Should that be any kind of worry. I am guessing people here would rate her on lower half of scale.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2069159]It kind of worries me, cheap, eager to please, butt stuff, no condom. We used condom, I said we had to. Should that be any kind of worry. I am guessing people here would rate her on lower half of scale.[/QUOTE]Well according to most people here the best girls always have customers and are more in demand, hence the higher probability of them contracting something and passing it on to you. If your girl is on the lower half of the scale then maybe that would mean nobody ever takes her so there is less probability of her contracting something and passing it on to you.

I did a bit of exploring today. Went to soi 6 and soi buakhao. I am not sure I was at soi buakhao. I am pretty sure I found soi diana or soi LK metro. I know I was on soi bukhao. I found one place off buakhao full of bars and gogos. Buakhao worried me I was going to get ran over. There is no sidewalk and lots of traffic. I am not sure I am going back. The Web page I found on it really talked it up, but I don't know.

The thing I don't like about the gogos on walking street is they are all doing the same thing at the same time. When I was here long ago, beach club was my favorite. They had small dance stages spread out across the club. So if one set of dancers didn't seem interesting I would watch another. I went into several gogos this trip where it is 20 girls lined up on one stage just gyrating monotonously. Some where they never took their top off. The worst, they did that, and after what seemed 10 minutes would rotate one dancer over. All this to just a loud dance beat. I like music that you want to hear in a club.

I also found soi 6. I'm not sure what to think of it either. It seems cool and I will go back again tommorrow. It has several BJ bars. There are many other bars that look the same as a BJ bar so I don't know what I am entering when I go I to one. There were a lot of girls and quite a few young, pretty ones. I would like to find me a really pretty small young woman and there were some there. I am going to get the girl from post below tommorrow and probably the one from a few posts ago on Tuesday, so maybe on Wednesday. I have never fucked a butt so I am kind of looking forward to that tommorrow.

First off I'd like to say thank you to all who helped me feel great about my first adventure overseas. Still have a couple things that I have question's about.

I haven't really been nervous on the planning phase of this trip until someone told a story about a nana bar experience and another monger (BKKDOG I think) pointed out it was a post op ladyboy bar. I feel very knowledgeable about lots of things thanks to forums. But is there a complete list somewhere of the ladyboy gogos or which ones are mixed and so on? I searched on here and came up with a few but man I'd like a exact list. HAHA. Thought of drinking one too many and getting into that situation is only thing left bothering me. Studying ways with arms or Adams apple or big feet or tall leaves me not too sure.

Motobike. I have a well reviewed taxi service for transportation from airport to BKK and then to Pattaya. Does anyone have a goto motorbike favorite that speaks decent english? I plan on being everywhere all throughout the day / night for some good reports. Motobike seems like a easier way with less walking. Especially when visiting some of the off-the-beaten path gentleman clubs, spas and restaurants. As well as Benjamit coffee shop, fountain of youth, temple of truth and beertopia. In Pattaya I will be utilizing the baht bus most of the time. But anyone have a good local motobike favorite that understands english?

Finally got my membership so feel free to pm me Motobike information.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2069280]First off I'd like to say thank you to all who helped me feel great about my first adventure overseas. Still have a couple things that I have question's about.

I haven't really been nervous on the planning phase of this trip until someone told a story about a nana bar experience and another monger (BKKDOG I think) pointed out it was a post op ladyboy bar. I feel very knowledgeable about lots of things thanks to forums. But is there a complete list somewhere of the ladyboy gogos or which ones are mixed and so on? I searched on here and came up with a few but man I'd like a exact list. HAHA. Thought of drinking one too many and getting into that situation is only thing left bothering me. Studying ways with arms or Adams apple or big feet or tall leaves me not too sure.

Motobike. I have a well reviewed taxi service for transportation from airport to BKK and then to Pattaya. Does anyone have a goto motorbike favorite that speaks decent english? I plan on being everywhere all throughout the day / night for some good reports. Motobike seems like a easier way with less walking. Especially when visiting some of the off-the-beaten path gentleman clubs, spas and restaurants. As well as Benjamit coffee shop, fountain of youth, temple of truth and beertopia. In Pattaya I will be utilizing the baht bus most of the time. But anyone have a good local motobike favorite that understands english?

Finally got my membership so feel free to pm me Motobike information.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I could be wrong so beware. I know it can be hard to tell a ladyboy from a woman sometimes. I accidently went into a ladybar gogo and pass by ladyboy bars on the different streets. With a bunch of them together you will notice. First off there will be a lot of tall "women". I mean the majority and I notice without thinking about it. Second maybe some lady boys are beautiful, but some just look like men. If you see several women who look like men in a bar, then maybe up your awareness. Of course if I am wrong then I wouldn't know so like I said take my post for what its worth.

I take the baht bus. I think it is better way to see city. But if you want motorbike driver they are everywhere. Just take the closest one. If they don't speak enough english just go to the next one, or take a baht bus. Motorbikes will be better if you are headed somewhere specific that takes some getting used to, but for motel to bars baht bus will work fine unless your motel is some place odd.

You might be better off waiting for someone e with more experience then me for a better answer though.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2069280]I haven't really been nervous on the planning phase of this trip until someone told a story about a nana bar experience and another monger (BKKDOG I think) pointed out it was a post op ladyboy bar. I feel very knowledgeable about lots of things thanks to forums. But is there a complete list somewhere of the ladyboy gogos or which ones are mixed and so on? I searched on here and came up with a few but man I'd like a exact list. HAHA. Thought of drinking one too many and getting into that situation is only thing left bothering me. Studying ways with arms or Adams apple or big feet or tall leaves me not too sure [/QUOTE]Relax about the Katoey bars. If in doubt simply ask. I have never had an issue when I have sought clarification. "Are you ladyboy?" if yes, simply tell them that they are very beautiful but you want a lady, get up and leave. Under no circumstances be disrespectful or show aggression. Trust me, I have seen other rookies freak out and lose it. This has ended in blood on occasions. Not Thai blood. As far as arms and Adam's apples goes, be weary. In this country we have many skilled plastic surgeons. My checklist is 1) Height. 2) Voice. 3) Veins on back of hands. Its perfectly normal to have the fear of encountering the Katoey. It was something I was always got nervous about as well. These days I ask up front, compliment them and even have bought them a beer. But make it clear you don't want that little something extra. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2069295]I could be wrong so beware. I know it can be hard to tell a ladyboy from a woman sometimes.[/QUOTE]It is not hard at all. If you closed your eyes, could you tell the difference whether there was a man or woman talking to you? Ladyboys do not sound like women. Maybe it is like magic; you let your eyes fool you.

This 300mtr long Soi starts from triangle bar, just off soi buakhow opposite LK metro entrance.

You will find tens of massage places one after the other.

Each will have from 3-4 to 10-12 girls of any kind, shape, age and. Gender (not strictly dedicated, so you need to be atebyive of that is not your scene and ask before picking, even if some are prey obvious).

Walk it up and down to get a feeling before choosing one where to lay your bones.

Prices are average on 200 baht for the venue, a sort of BF / ST bed with curtain partitions.

The fee to the girl you negotI ate directly, even of one thousand bahts will make them happy and not moaning.

Cheap Charlie's can possibiy negotiate for less. Being now a buyer market there might be a good Success rate.

Few bars are scattered every now and then and. They do offer massage too! Surprise surprise.

I have bumps into a rather new one, maybe a 2-3 month old, called Anny's, halfway throUgh the Soi.

6-8 girls are there to give you a good time and check the chemistry. Do buy them a LD and they will be grateful.

A nice clean room is in the back, with brand new bathroom / shower facility.

350 is the BF and ST room, plus the fee to the girl.

Slightly more than a massage, all in all, but you can sample goods and attitude before buying.

(Side note: check the farang manager or owner does not take you in one of the pictures he posts on FB to promote the bar.

He is a bit careless about it and did not understand not all customers want such a 15 minute of glory as Warhol said.

You can easily find the page on FB by searching under Anny 's bar.

Here is a good shot of Prew, great oral skills and might be even worth LT or a few days (never break the 3-day rule, folks) for those interested. Very affectionate, slim but not skinny, enjoys bed activities if you trigger the right switch in her.

Soi 25 aka Chaiyapoon can definitely have a decent girl or two on occasion. I walk through it often. Typical Soi Honey rates of 500/1000. If you go to Soi 25, don't forget to check out the new G club, The Den. Nice place, cheap drinks, friendly girls. If you are missing one of your girls from Heaven G club in Pratumnak Hill, you will likely find her at The Den.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2069280]IBut is there a complete list somewhere of the ladyboy gogos or which ones are mixed and so on? [/QUOTE]

Pattaya is a bit different than BKK for gogo bars. In Nana, there are many gogo bars that have ladyboys interspersed with girls. there are also many gogo bars in Nana that are strictly ladyboys. In Pattaya, off the top of my head I can only think of one ladyboy gogo bar named Katooey R Us or something like that, located near Windmill. there are 2 or 3 other gogo bars in Walking Street and LK Metro with what I believe are the odd ladyboys in them but they are very obvious ladyboys.

The maid came to clean my room. I was going to leave but stayed. After she left I opened a bottle of coke and it fizzled on the floor. I went out into the hall and motioned her to look and she mopped it up. I don't understand the next part. When she was done she held out a handful of change and asked me how much. At first I didn't understand what she was asking, but finally figured she wanted me to count it. It was 19 baht. She said okay and left. What was that about? The only thing I can think of is it was change I left on the desk top and she thought it was tip and wanted to make sure I knew how much it was. If not that I don't have a clue.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2069353]The maid came to clean my room. I was going to leave but stayed. After she left I opened a bottle of coke and it fizzled on the floor. I went out into the hall and motioned her to look and she mopped it up. I don't understand the next part. When she was done she held out a handful of change and asked me how much. At first I didn't understand what she was asking, but finally figured she wanted me to count it. It was 19 baht. She said okay and left. What was that about? The only thing I can think of is it was change I left on the desk top and she thought it was tip and wanted to make sure I knew how much it was. If not that I don't have a clue.[/QUOTE]She may be myopia?

If not, she may have wanted to tell you in a different way that your tip was too small.

If not, no clue for me as well.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2069353]The maid came to clean my room. I was going to leave but stayed. After she left I opened a bottle of coke and it fizzled on the floor. I went out into the hall and motioned her to look and she mopped it up. I don't understand the next part. When she was done she held out a handful of change and asked me how much. At first I didn't understand what she was asking, but finally figured she wanted me to count it. It was 19 baht. She said okay and left. What was that about? The only thing I can think of is it was change I left on the desk top and she thought it was tip and wanted to make sure I knew how much it was. If not that I don't have a clue.[/QUOTE]That's probably what happened. In my experience, the maids don't take change from your desk. As for tips, when I stay in a hotel with decent maid service, I usually leave 1 or 2 bills on the bed for them (20 - 40 baht depending on how messy the room was from the previous night). Then when they make up the bed, they understand it's a tip. Otherwise, I hand them a tip directly.

The woman who took my shoes said she did it to make sure I came back the next day. She also suggested several times no condom and later told me she wants a baby with a farang. She is 35 , small and has a firm body. No kids, a few scars. She is eager to please and I think she would let me do whatever I want with her. I went back to the bar with her to eat after sex tonight. She left to get cigarettes and the woman owner gave me a sales pitch on what a wonderful woman she is. I am leaving Saturday and the owner was wanting g me to take this woman everyday until then. She is a nice woman, really sexy. She kind of has a bit of a hard life look to her though. She took one of my shirts tonight. She wanted to stay the night but had to look after bar for a bit, so I am waiting on her. She said she has a German sending her money. The bar owner said the woman owes money to the mafia. Anyone have an idea what that could mean?

It was 300 bar fine and 700 last night. I gave her 1200 tonight. I would have liked to see her agian, but all I want is a bit of fun. She seems to be angling for more.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2068648]First of all Rob, she is nothing to write home about. A big long shot asking this don't you think? If you were asking about a girl working at a Gogo or massage shop identified with a name and number, we often can help. But to ask about a random freelancer from an unknown website or chat app, it's almost impossible. Do what most of us do with freelancers. See them and post about your experience. For example, where you met her? Thai Friendly, we chat, Imsomnia or another. How much you paid, quality of service and so on. Why are you so reluctant to pull the trigger on a freelancer without reading a review beforehand. Judging by her looks and being in Pattaya, what's the most money it will set you back? 1,500 Baht for St amd maybe 2,000-2,500 for LT? If you are not willing to write reviews and try girls and are only looking for us to provide you with information on random freelancers, then you have come to the wrong place. If you can't afford to spen 1,500-2,000 in Pattaya without someone posting a stellar review so you can be more comfortable to engage her, then you can't afford to come to Pattaya. I hope you understand my points. Now contact her, bang her, and then come and write a review about it. Simple and easy.




Secondly, you are making the trip 7 months later. This freelancer could be long gone by then. The girls will not want to waste time making plans with some unknown guy for 7 months later. She will forget you after a few hours let alone 7 months. Give it a feast. Do what you did in Indonesia and do after you arrive. Also post a dam report about your experience as well.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply.

I possibly could have worded my original post better. My intention was to compare the profile and comments with fact to test the waters with some of these profiles. I'm loath to contact any girls more then 2 to 3 weeks before I go because they either lose interest or want to chat all the time which can be annoying with your wife wondering what all the messages and calls are about 5555. I am getting a better understanding of pricing although my budget will be about 20,000 per day not including my hotel. I have been an avid reader of the forum for some time but I have recently joined so I can give back and I will be trying to do daily post when I'm in Thailand.

I'm expecting a total experience from Indonesia and looking forward to having my tackle fondled by 2 or 3 Thai lasses while drinking a beer, that never happens in Indo as the scene is more modest.

Thanks again "Dog" I find your post very helpful.

Rob.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2069608]The woman who took my shoes said she did it to make sure I came back the next day. She also suggested several times no condom and later told me she wants a baby with a farang. She is 35 , small and has a firm body. No kids, a few scars. She is eager to please and I think she would let me do whatever I want with her. I went back to the bar with her to eat after sex tonight. She left to get cigarettes and the woman owner gave me a sales pitch on what a wonderful woman she is. I am leaving Saturday and the owner was wanting g me to take this woman everyday until then. She is a nice woman, really sexy. She kind of has a bit of a hard life look to her though. She took one of my shirts tonight. She wanted to stay the night but had to look after bar for a bit, so I am waiting on her. She said she has a German sending her money. The bar owner said the woman owes money to the mafia. Anyone have an idea what that could mean?

It was 300 bar fine and 700 last night. I gave her 1200 tonight. I would have liked to see her agian, but all I want is a bit of fun. She seems to be angling for more.[/QUOTE]If she owes money to the Mafia, it means she has taken a loan from 'money (loan) sharks', and not a formal financial institution like a bank or credit union.

They charge interest by the day so taking out even a small loan from them means the repayments are usually 2 or 3 times more than the actual initial loan amount.

The government has attempted to stamp them out but it's almost impossible, especially in the countryside.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2069429]That's probably what happened. In my experience, the maids don't take change from your desk. As for tips, when I stay in a hotel with decent maid service, I usually leave 1 or 2 bills on the bed for them (20 - 40 baht depending on how messy the room was from the previous night). Then when they make up the bed, they understand it's a tip. Otherwise, I hand them a tip directly.[/QUOTE]I always tip directly and have never had a problem with leaving change lying around as I don't like to carry it when I am out.

After my first night I seek out the maid on my floor and give her 100 Baht to clean my room next, that way I get my room done when I leave my room on subsquent days, as I indicate to her I am going out so even if I am out for an hour the room is always ready when I come back.

Here I am, roughly about a week and a half into my Pattaya adventure and I have a second to write to my brothers about my experiences so far.

Thai people are phenomenal, I thought Germans were good people but Thai make us look bad. They are completely devoted to pleasing farang and that is the reason we keep coming back and back. It's not sex, honestly, I like Latinas better than Thai women, but Thai women are so pleasant to deal with, they pamper you. I took a trip on motorbike to the jungle nearby Pattaya and it was a blast. Got lost a little bit, and there was this house in the middle of the jungle with pond by it, so beautiful, and people of the house sat on their bikes and led me out to the highway. They are just good people.

Ladyboys; bad news, they are everywhere, good news, they are so pleasant to chat with, they will chat and laugh with you, share stories and drink with you and you feel great, so much love, as long as they know you are not interested, they won't harass you. Motorbike rental, I got it through my Danish landlord, I stay at K Residence off the Photisan Alley, ($150 a month), have a huge studio apartment on 5th floor, city view, so the landlord, his name is Leif, he got the bike for me from a lady who lives nearby and it cost me 150 bhath a day, no deposit, nothing, just plain wonderful. Soi 6, as you all know is popping, good looking girls in their teens and early 20's, I am kicking it raw with a 19 yo girl from Mods bar on Soi 6 and it is just great. Her name is Fei. So nice to hit young meat like that, she is so thigh, sometimes it hurts. And that is it for now, hope you all having a blast like I am, and keep us posted.

Peace brothers.

Hi guys,

I am a regular sex tourist. I just thought to share my sexperiance and learn from members, so I joined this forum.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2069353]The maid came to clean my room. I was going to leave but stayed. After she left I opened a bottle of coke and it fizzled on the floor. I went out into the hall and motioned her to look and she mopped it up. I don't understand the next part. When she was done she held out a handful of change and asked me how much. At first I didn't understand what she was asking, but finally figured she wanted me to count it. It was 19 baht. She said okay and left. What was that about? The only thing I can think of is it was change I left on the desk top and she thought it was tip and wanted to make sure I knew how much it was. If not that I don't have a clue.[/QUOTE]Thai people die for tips.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2068191]Just google "Pattaya taxi" and you will find many taxi companies that charge as low as 1000 baht from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya. I prefer the female driver companies and pay a bit more but that's just me.[/QUOTE]Would you be able to be more specific about the name / number if the specific female driver taxicab company you use?

[QUOTE=DavidSchmauch;2069852]Snip. I got it through my Danish landlord, I stay at K Residence off the Photisan Alley, ($150 a month), have a huge studio apartment on 5th floor, city view. Snip.[/QUOTE]You got this for $5/ night? How? [URL]Booking.com[/URL] has it at $25/ night from August 14 to September 13.

[QUOTE=Dena0;2070072]Would you be able to be more specific about the name / number if the specific female driver taxicab company you use?[/QUOTE]Check your inbox.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2070113]Check your inbox.[/QUOTE]Please inbox me also.

Greetings fellow humans. I too am fellow human.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2070262]Greetings fellow humans. I too am fellow human.[/QUOTE]Now that's a surprise! Thanks for letting us know.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2070109]You got this for $5/ night? How? [URL]Booking.com[/URL] has it at $25/ night from August 14 to September 13.[/QUOTE]He was talking about the bike rental. You missed the beginning of the sentence. Plus english is probably not his first language based on the long sentence.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2070425]He was talking about the bike rental. You missed the beginning of the sentence. Plus english is probably not his first language based on the long sentence.[/QUOTE]It looked like he was talking about the studio when he said $150/ month and the bike when said 150 bhat / day, but they are equivalent so he probably did mean for the bike.

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me the significance of the Owl tattoos that some of the girls are sporting? I know the meaning of the butterfly but I don't get the owl? It's not life changing if I know or not but does it have criminal links?

Thanks Rob.

How do I get from Pattaya to Phuket? Do I go back to Bangkok and fly? And if so, I took a bus here for 220 baht, how do I find that price going back to airport?

Thanks.

You can fly out of Utapao airport to Phuket. The Pattaya airport is much closer than driving to Suvarnabhumi or DMK. I've never taken the bus but I believe the main bus terminals are near North Pattaya Road and Sukhumvit and another down near Jomtien at Theppraya and Theprassit. There may be more.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2068131]I don't think uber has developed a lot compared to other countries at-least in BKK. Used it to go to airport, it costed more than the local taxi and was unimpressed by the service (based on one data point, so take it with grain of salt) though the car was pretty good.[/QUOTE]I took Uber from BKK to Sukhumvit. Good car, 5 minute response time, 300 baht plus tip. All positive experience. Driver's english was non-existent, but that is par for the course with taxicabs too.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2070596]You can fly out of Utapao airport to Phuket. The Pattaya airport is much closer than driving to Suvarnabhumi or DMK. I've never taken the bus but I believe the main bus terminals are near North Pattaya Road and Sukhumvit and another down near Jomtien at Theppraya and Theprassit. There may be more.[/QUOTE]Air Asia Flight No Fd 1100 at 1050 Hrs Pattaya to Phuket Direct Flight.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2070523]It looked like he was talking about the studio when he said $150/ month and the bike when said 150 bhat / day, but they are equivalent so he probably did mean for the bike.[/QUOTE]LOL. No way will you get a nice place for just $150 a month. A guy might be able to find a small room for that price, but not a nice studio. I pay about $450 usd a month and it includes a big pool and a fitness center. The first part of the sentence starts with "Motorbike rental". Then it got all jumbled up with the studio/landlord stuff.

I had to read it twice too. I was like huh? ;)

[QUOTE=DavidSchmauch;2069852] ... Motorbike rental, I got it through my Danish landlord, ... he got the bike for me from a lady who lives nearby and it cost me 150 bhath a day, no deposit, nothing, just plain wonderful.[/QUOTE]

Yes, seriously, that's what I pay here in Pattaya, it is about two kilometers from the beach in Na Kluea part of Pattaya and it takes less than ten minutes on the scooter from the apartment to the beach. I love this block because it looks very European, architecture wise and coffee shop named NRA right here outside the building (K-Residence) looks very western. So for anyone interested, the address is Photisan Alley and Photisarn 8, when you see Fresh Mart, turn into the street and you have to see NRA cafe and K Residence sign and there is the office you can see from the street, ask for Leif, Big Danish guy with blue eyes and I'm sure he can give you a good deal. There is also a laundry in the same block.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2070592]How do I get from Pattaya to Phuket? Do I go back to Bangkok and fly? And if so, I took a bus here for 220 baht, how do I find that price going back to airport?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Go to Utapao Airport, you don't need to go back BKK or DMK. If you want go back to Bangkok with bus you can use Bell Travel service or use the airport bus that have the Office on Thappraya Road.

Been here for less than a month and still haven't gone out to the clubs or bars yet. Had 3 freebies in 3 weeks. So not too bad.

After arrival I hooked up with a girl who kept in touch on a regular basis. Over the past year, I used give her between 300-500 baht (for food) when she stays with me overnight. I would just leave some baht on the table and tell her to take some money if she needs it. This girl has a regular job and as far as I know, she is 'not' part-timer. Of course, who knows what they really do what they do when they are out of your sight. When she stays with me, sometimes she would take 300, other times 500, sometimes nothing. Anyway, before I had left to the states, I told her I would bring her a few gifts when I got back. I brought a nice T-shirt, some chocolate, and a sarong (that I bought here for before I left, cost 150 baht). So maybe that's why she didn't take any baht this time.

Used the online apps for some more success. Found the other 2 freebies there.
Banged a sweet lady from Indonesia 2 weeks ago. She was here on a little vacation. We chatted, and agreed to meet the next day. I went to pick her up near her hotel and drove her around looking for a decent outdoor bar. But not much happening that afternoon and it was cloudy outside so I suggested we go to my place for some drinks. After a few drinks, started kissing, hugging and you know the rest. Very good time. I dropped her off afterwards. She was Great fun! Only cost about 100 baht for the bacardi breezers she wanted.

Found another one last Saturday night. Chatted for awhile between 9.30 - 10 pm. Then we exchanged map locations. I wanted to know where she was located. Next, she called me on video, she wanted to see me. Ok. Conversation was all good. She wanted to come. I asked her if she was sure, because I checked google maps on my laptop while we were talking on video and she was 1 hour and 10 minutes away. I told her how far she was from here and she said ok. She said she will drive here to meet me. I figured, what the heck, we never discussed money, she looks good, and worse case it will only cost me 1000 baht and some extra baht for gas. She showed up just outside the condo area and called me to come down to meet her. We parked her car in the parking area and she came up with only a small toiletry bag. OK, so I figured she was just here for a few hours. Nope. We talked a little, she had a beer, I had about 3 Jack & cokes. Kisses followed and I started to take her clothes off. Mutual sucking, then some good sex. She spent the night. She woke me up in the morning around 11 am and she gave me a nice blow job with no prompting from me. We had sex again and I went back to sleep. LOL. She woke me up a few hours later. She wanted to take me and show me around the area but I said no, I was too tired to get up. So she said she will go eat and then drive home. After she dressed, I walked her to the door and right before she left, I put 500 baht in her hand. She looked surprised and asked what the baht was for. Gas for the car. I told her it was ok, but she still looked confused. She later sent a text and asked again about the money. I explained that she drove an hour here and an hour to go home. The baht is to put more gas in the car. Now she understood and thanked me. She also explained that she didn't want money from me, she only wanted to come meet me and she was happy and .... I said I understand but its only for gas. Everyone was happy.

The majority of the other online girls all got 1000 baht, except for one. Some of the girls were ok, some were better than ok, one was a black chick that I met when I was driving down the soi. LOL.

Regarding the one who got more that 1000. We agreed on 1000 ST, but I ended up giving her an extra 500. This girl could easily ask for 1,500 to 2,000 based on her photos and I'm sure she could get it from a lot of horny guys out here. So I was surprised when she accepted my offer of 1000 for ST. Her pics are very nice and she is that damn pretty in person too. But I'm going to tell her that. This pretty ass girl showed up within 30 minutes. Sweet body with a nice juicy round booty and a small waist. Just my type. She came over and we hit it off. Banged her nice and hard. We both showered and chilled out. She was in no hurry to leave and stayed for awhile longer talking and watching tv. I had another drink or two and then we both got frisky again. So I banged her a second time. Altogether she stayed about 3 hours with two rounds. She never asked for extra baht. But she earned it.
Funny thing, I saw her 2 weeks later and only gave her 1000. She was still good in the bed but something was off. Maybe she was tired. But on this visit, after the first round we showered separately and she got dressed. No problem, 1000 baht and off you go.

That's all the good news. There were a bunch of knuckleheads mixed in the online scene too. So you have to weed them out. Some wanted 1000 but were either ugly, older, or overweight; one asked for 5,000 LOL; two others wanted 1500 for 1 hour. Not for me! Don't put a time limit on me; I had one who agreed to 1200ST. Then she kept texting more instead of getting her butt in the shower. I ask her to stop chatting and go shower and call me after the shower. Agreed. After all, we already set it up so come on. She showers and texts again for the location. I send her the location and tell her I will meet her downstairs. I also tell her that I want a nice blowjob and good boom boom when she arrives. She has the nerve to say she doesn't like smoke. Huh? You don't like to smoke? I told her, I want a good BJ and good boom boom. OK? She says no, not for only 1200 baht. So this chick is thinking she is coming over for just a quick fuck for 1200!? I told her she was crazy if she thinks she can have 1200 just for 1 pop and no BJ. That was a waste of time. This was the first time in 6 years that a girl said some crazy thing like that. Word to the wise, make sure you tell the girl what your requirements are/what you expect. If she had shown up and refused to give a bj, I would have had to send her away with just some taxi money.

Then I had another one who asked for all the information, how much, location, what time? We finish the deal. So naturally I think she is up and will be getting ready after confirming everything right? I do a quick video chat so I can see her live and this dumb girl is still in bed. I tell her to go shower and come over now. She asks, you want me to come now? YES. I'm thinking to myself WTF do you think I want you to do? You agreed and asked for my location. I told her to text me in 20 min after her shower. She was a no-show.
Even for us vets, we still find some knuckleheads. I wouldn't recommend this for new guys or guys with only a few weeks. But I usually stay for many months at a time, in addition to visiting Indonesia and other neighboring countries.

All in all, it's been a decent 3 weeks. Plus the 3 freebies so I'm not complaining. Next week, I will head out and start checking out the bars, gogos, and clubs. And I will start picking up some new numbers to re-build what I call my stand-by list.

[QUOTE=DavidSchmauch;2070663]Yes, seriously, that's what I pay here in Pattaya, it is about two kilometers from the beach in Na Kluea part of Pattaya and it takes less than ten minutes on the scooter from the apartment to the beach. I love this block because it looks very European, architecture wise and coffee shop named NRA right here outside the building (K-Residence) looks very western. So for anyone interested, the address is Photisan Alley and Photisarn 8, when you see Fresh Mart, turn into the street and you have to see NRA cafe and K Residence sign and there is the office you can see from the street, ask for Leif, Big Danish guy with blue eyes and I'm sure he can give you a good deal. There is also a laundry in the same block.[/QUOTE]If that's the case you got real lucky. A nice big studio for $150. Good for you. Most of the rooms for 150 usd or 5000 baht are just small 15-20 sq meter rooms with a small toilet.

Take a few pics of the place and post them.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2070715]If that's the case you got real lucky..[/QUOTE]Yes, very very lucky or the Danish man urgently needed money. K Residence on Booking.com is around 25000 baht for one month. But we are off topic here, better to talk about this on Pattaya Hotels Thread.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2070703]Been here for less than a month and still haven't gone out to the clubs or bars yet. Had 3 freebies in 3 weeks. So not too bad.
I will start picking up some new numbers to re-build what I call my stand-by list.[/QUOTE]Nice report sir. Much appreciated that you could get hold of freebies. I am very much familiar to Thailand. I have been AO many times, that now I speak Thai. I know the nature of Thai Girls.

So Sir please don't take it personally, but the stories posted by you are bit hard to digest.

If the are true. Than I would say you are most lucky person and my best wishes for your future freebies target.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Womaniszer;2070721]So Sir please don't take it personally, but the stories posted by you are bit hard to digest.
If the are true. Than I would say you are most lucky person and my best wishes for your future freebies target. Good luck.[/QUOTE]That's because you don't know me. One more thing, they aren't targets. They're just normal women who have needs and desires. Now, when you meet a lady and she mentions money, that's a whole different ball game. I spend 9 months a year in Asia. Meeting regular girls is easy for me both online and in person. It's getting them to go out with you and then back to your bed. That's where your personality and skills come into play.

Gogo staff ruining this trip for me. Constantly rude constantly pushing me to order another drink. I just go soi6 and ibar. Fuck these guys. Dollhouse is quality. Others can go get fucked. Got quoted a 2 k barfine at 1 am. No Thai angels this trip. But soi 6 does have some quality this time around. GoGo seems to lack quality. Maybe they all on holiday. Anyway, off to awkwardly find a ST at ibar.

[QUOTE=Womaniszer;2070721]Nice report sir. Much appreciated that you could get hold of freebies. I am very much familiar to Thailand. I have been AO many times, that now I speak Thai. I know the nature of Thai Girls.

So Sir please don't take it personally, but the stories posted by you are bit hard to digest.

If the are true. Than I would say you are most lucky person and my best wishes for your future freebies target.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]So being a Thai expert and knowing that there are 69 million people in the country, you would assert that all the females are hookers?

Rule of thumb: if you are not doing it at home, don't expect to be able to go to another country and do it. Obviously you are not doing it at home and expect others not to be able to as well. Maybe you only know the nature of Thai hookers and know nothing of Thai girls. There is a difference.

I actually think Pipelayer's numbers are down. Two months ago I had 3 freebies in 1 week. But knowing how he operates (don't know how he stays with the same chick for weeks at a time) I would say he is right on point. After 2 days I am trying to send them back home. Whatever happened to that Thai chick that lives in England that came to see you?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2070794]I actually think Pipelayer's numbers are down. Two months ago I had 3 freebies in 1 week. But knowing how he operates (don't know how he stays with the same chick for weeks at a time) I would say he is right on point. After 2 days I am trying to send them back home. Whatever happened to that Thai chick that lives in England that came to see you?[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. It's not difficult to have freebies in Pattaya for any guy that stays for a long time. I've always find it more difficult to get rid of them once you're tired of them.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2070779]Gogo staff ruining this trip for me. Constantly rude constantly pushing me to order another drink. I just go soi6 and ibar. Fuck these guys. Dollhouse is quality. Others can go get fucked. Got quoted a 2 k barfine at 1 am. No Thai angels this trip. But soi 6 does have some quality this time around. GoGo seems to lack quality. Maybe they all on holiday. Anyway, off to awkwardly find a ST at ibar.[/QUOTE]Which gogo bars have lousy staff and which gogo bars are lacking quality?

I went to a gogo bar on walking street where some of the dancers completely strip. One of the dancers beckoned me over to sit next to the sttage. It was pretty cool in that I could touch. One dancer took my hands and placed it on the pussy of another dancer. You could suck on a nipple if you wanted. One girl was bent over in front of me and I took my hands and spread her cheeks to get a better look.

It was expensive though. I bought one a bar drink. The others said they would rather have a 100 baht tip. You have to tip if you are going to be hands on. Maybe you don't have to but it would be jerk not to. And it escalated from 1 girl to 2 to 3 pretty quick. One of them Slid her hand up my shorts and underpants. It was cool but not something I will do again anytime soon.

What is the etiquette of switching women at a beer bar? I go to a beer bar and there is a woman there who I have sat with on several occasions. She is nice enough, but there is not really any connection. Also I think she is a tease. Can I sit with another without being a jerk? Same question, sort of, I go to another beer bar. There is a woman I bar fined and wanted to again last night, but she wasn't there. Is there a problem picking another girl there? I really want the one I barfine before and don't want to make that problematic. When I researched coming here 12 years ago, there was a lot of talk of the women didn't like butterflys. I don't see that concern stated much now.

The reason I don't just go to another beer bar is because I like to be closer to my motel. I think I am on naklua road. I am past dolphin fountain where the road turns back to 2 way.

Hello,

Just got back from Pattaya for a 5 night stay. This was my 4th trip here, and it was mixed with a couple of weeks in the Philippines prior to getting here. My overall impressions in my short stay there was that Soi 6 has really improved and you are able to find more pretty girls than in the past where you really had to scour to find good girls there. Costs are around 1300 baht for short time service which includes the girl and room fee above the bar. The talent varies from bar to bar so you really just have to walk up and down the street in front of the bars and view the ladies and stop in a bar where one girl peaks your interest. I found the girls here were not super pushy for lady drinks and were more interested in getting you to go upstairs with them and all were eager. Unlike the gogos, if you sit with a girl, you will get the pesky waitresses asking you to buy another lady drink for the girls right away.

One thing that has really gotten out of control, as posted before, is the super high prices for the gogo girls on Walking Street. I was in bars such as Skyfall, Sensations, What's Up, and Sapphire all which had top notch quality girls but none of the girls would budge off of 3 k baht for short time and 5 k for long time. On top of this bar fines were 1500 baht or 1000 baht (after midnight prices drop by 500 baht for the bar fines in most bars). So, by the time I did the math and included lets say 2 lady drinks, I was looking at about 200 US dollars for long time and 130 US dollar for these girls. These prices are outrageous, and I just don't see the justification for these prices in Thailand where the cost of living is so inexpensive. I mean, this price is more than short time service in FKK clubs in Europe. The thing I did was to combat this, was to have to settle for Soi 6 and the girls in Insomnia or IBar which I was able to get for 1800-2500 baht short time. Unfortuantely, you will be hard pressed to see the hot quality go go type girls in these venues.

Other than the super high prices of top gogo bars, I still enjoy coming to Pattaya. One nice thing I did was to have a tailor shop custom make me shirts for about 850 baht each which were unbelievable quality. What a great deal. Also, you can find Tshirts, shorts, running shoes many of which are designer knockoffs along Beach road, at Mikes Mall, etc. Also, the seafood buffet at Flare restaurant in the Hilton is an amazing dining experience if you want something higher end.

I wanted to know if there are any other places (bars, freelancers, gogos) that mongers can recommend that I am not going to where one can find better looking girls (comparable to better gogo girls) where prices are under 2500-4 k all in for short and long time? Or is that just not going to happen? I did of course mention Soi 6 and Insomnia / IBar girls do fit this need for us. Thanks.

SB.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2070854]What is the etiquette of switching women at a beer bar? I go to a beer bar and there is a woman there who I have sat with on several occasions. She is nice enough, but there is not really any connection. Also I think she is a tease. Can I sit with another without being a jerk? Same question, sort of, I go to another beer bar. There is a woman I bar fined and wanted to again last night, but she wasn't there. Is there a problem picking another girl there? I really want the one I barfine before and don't want to make that problematic.[/QUOTE]Have you ever heard of the golden rule? He who has the gold makes the rules. Stop worrying about shit and run things how you want them. If you want a different chick then tell the one that comes first to tell her friend to come here. Some guys make things way more complicated than they are.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2070859]Hello,

I wanted to know if there are any other places (bars, freelancers, gogos) that mongers can recommend that I am not going to where one can find better looking girls (comparable to better gogo girls) where prices are under 2500-4 k all in for short and long time? Or is that just not going to happen? I did of course mention Soi 6 and Insomnia / IBar girls do fit this need for us. Thanks.

SB.[/QUOTE]There 2 more options.

1st is the Beach Road girls, but most of them are bad, only if you are lucky you will a good one.

2nd is the Beer Gardens. One is opposite Mike Shopping Centre. But I like the one which is in the start of Sai Song (Second Road) go opposite Honey 2 Soapy Massage, walk for 5 minutes on the left. There is a big Beer Garden where you can pick up girls. Each bar have 5 or 6 girls. Damage is same as Soi 6, but only thing is you have to take her to your room.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2070873]Stop worrying about shit and run things how you want them. [/QUOTE]Completely agree. The only girls who don't like men who are butterflies are the the non-hookers at the bar. In a lot of bars the servers are not P4 P, this is just their normal job. That's why they are there from 6 pm until 2 am. They don't disappear at 11 pm with a guy.

You want to bar fines different girls then just do it. Want to wait for one you've had before, that's fine, but she may have other customers lined up. Just use common sense.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2070873]Have you ever heard of the golden rule? He who has the gold makes the rules. Stop worrying about shit and run things how you want them. If you want a different chick then tell the one that comes first to tell her friend to come here. Some guys make things way more complicated than they are.[/QUOTE]Can somebody make this post a sticky and a must read for every newb? Learnt this the easy way (RTFF) but every (ongoing Pattaya trip) experience has reinforced this.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2070873]Have you ever heard of the golden rule? He who has the gold makes the rules. Stop worrying about shit and run things how you want them. If you want a different chick then tell the one that comes first to tell her friend to come here. Some guys make things way more complicated than they are.[/QUOTE]100% agree, over the years of visiting Thailand I've seen many people stick with the first girl that sits next to them, and in the end this will ruin your trip. Be decisive and do what you like; yes you will get the odd girl that give you a look as you decide on some other lady but who cares as its your trip. As Mr Enternational says the golden rule is – he who has the gold makes the rules.

So I went back to see one girl, but she was busy. She set me with her friend. I think they are close friends. Afterwards she asked me how she compared to first woman. I said somehothing about getting them both at same time. She said okay, but I am not sure if she understood what I was asking. Anyway would the price be the same of each of them that it was with just one? I paid 1000 short time. So for both 2000. Or do they want extra?

I really appreciate all the help and answers I have been getting.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2070854]What is the etiquette of switching women at a beer bar? I go to a beer bar and there is a woman there who I have sat with on several occasions. She is nice enough, but there is not really any connection. Also I think she is a tease. Can I sit with another without being a jerk? Same question, sort of, I go to another beer bar. There is a woman I bar fined and wanted to again last night, but she wasn't there. Is there a problem picking another girl there? I really want the one I barfine before and don't want to make that problematic. When I researched coming here 12 years ago, there was a lot of talk of the women didn't like butterflys. I don't see that concern stated much now.

The reason I don't just go to another beer bar is because I like to be closer to my motel. I think I am on naklua road. I am past dolphin fountain where the road turns back to 2 way.[/QUOTE]If she goes out with other guys then why is the other way round so difficult? And for God's sake she is hooker man. Get a grip! Bang a pussy, don't be one.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2071082]So I went back to see one girl, but she was busy. She set me with her friend. I think they are close friends. Afterwards she asked me how she compared to first woman. I said somehothing about getting them both at same time. She said okay, but I am not sure if she understood what I was asking. Anyway would the price be the same of each of them that it was with just one? I paid 1000 short time. So for both 2000. Or do they want extra?

I really appreciate all the help and answers I have been getting.[/QUOTE]Extra? When you go to a cheap store and buy a t-shit for $10, usually buying two will cost you less than $20. Principles of economics do not change just because you are shopping for a different commodity.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2070859]One thing that has really gotten out of control, as posted before, is the super high prices for the gogo girls on Walking Street. I was in bars such as Skyfall, Sensations, What's Up, and Sapphire all which had top notch quality girls but none of the girls would budge off of 3 k baht for short time and 5 k for long time. On top of this bar fines were 1500 baht or 1000 baht (after midnight prices drop by 500 baht for the bar fines in most bars). So, by the time I did the math and included lets say 2 lady drinks, I was looking at about 200 US dollars for long time and 130 US dollar for these girls. These prices are outrageous, and I just don't see the justification for these prices in Thailand where the cost of living is so inexpensive. I mean, this price is more than short time service in FKK clubs in Europe. The thing I did was to combat this, was to have to settle for Soi 6 and the girls in Insomnia or IBar which I was able to get for 1800-2500 baht short time. Unfortuantely, you will be hard pressed to see the hot quality go go type girls in these venues.[/QUOTE]I see your problem. You want a Ferrari at the price of a Toyota Altis. Sigh!

[QUOTE=Womaniszer;2070913]There 2 more options.

1st is the Beach Road girls, but most of them are bad, only if you are lucky you will a good one.

2nd is the Beer Gardens. One is opposite Mike Shopping Centre. But I like the one which is in the start of Sai Song (Second Road) go opposite Honey 2 Soapy Massage, walk for 5 minutes on the left. There is a big Beer Garden where you can pick up girls. Each bar have 5 or 6 girls. Damage is same as Soi 6, but only thing is you have to take her to your room.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]I've been told to check out beer garden on Pattayasaisong 13 which I believe is referred to as Soi Diana. Even with all my research I'm still not 100% on google street names vs local nicknames. Two mentioned were Fernidad beer and Lucky 1. I've seen them on vlogs since. Had some younger hotties. I plan on checking them out in a couple weeks when I arrive.

Where is your favorite one at Womaniszer? By your instructions I'd say it's actually located halfway down Pattayasaisong 3 alley? Next to central center. Thinking I'm going to extend my stay a day or two and stay at siam siam. Get a good dose of soapies and Soi 6. Like to have another place to visit on that side of town.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2071094]Extra? When you go to a cheap store and buy a t-shit for $10, usually buying two will cost you less than $20. Principles of economics do not change just because you are shopping for a different commodity.[/QUOTE]LOL. I was just about to write that I would offer them less. If 1 girl then she would get 100% of my power. If 2 girls I can only give each girl 50% of my power. So with 2 girls they each make money easier than if they were alone. But instead of paying them 50% of 1 girl cost I would give them each 80% of 1 girl cost.

At a brothel that I go to in the Dominican Republic it works that way. 1 girl $25 ,2 girls $42 for the hour.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2071096]I see your problem. You want a Ferrari at the price of a Toyota Altis. Sigh![/QUOTE]Not even a question of price. Sitting in a gogo now bored out of my mind. This shit is fucked. I gladly pay 5 k for a girl but no better they dance on stage and make no money.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2071096]I see your problem. You want a Ferrari at the price of a Toyota Altis. Sigh![/QUOTE]No Blanquiceleste, I don't see this analogy as correct. I am asking to find good girls for 4 k long or 2500-3 k short time. This is not quite asking for a Ferrari at the price of a Toyota Altis. If I were asking to pay 2 k or 3 k for long time that's asking for a lot, but I stated in my post the price I believe we should be paying is max 4 k for top tier gogo girls which is still well over $120.00 I can get very good go go girls in Angeles City for $60 dollars which is half the price of Thailand, and although Philippines is a 3rd world country, where Thailand is 2nd world, things are not that cheap in the Philippines. Pattaya had its original lure for getting good prices on the women, and places like Soi 6, beer gardens, etc. have the some of the same quality girls in the gogos for a lot less. Its guys like you that continue to support these high prices (paying $200 for long time) and approving of it, that have ruined the market for us. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Womaniszer;2070913]There 2 more options.

1st is the Beach Road girls, but most of them are bad, only if you are lucky you will a good one.

2nd is the Beer Gardens. One is opposite Mike Shopping Centre. But I like the one which is in the start of Sai Song (Second Road) go opposite Honey 2 Soapy Massage, walk for 5 minutes on the left. There is a big Beer Garden where you can pick up girls. Each bar have 5 or 6 girls. Damage is same as Soi 6, but only thing is you have to take her to your room.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]Thank you sir for the good information. We will definitely check this Beer Garden out. The Beer Garden on Walking Street had very sparce quality girls, I hope its not the same here and more like Soi 6 in terms of girl choice.

Womaniszer is referring to Simon Place on 2nd road beside Terminal 21 and across from Tiffany's. I walked through the other night and he is correct there were definitely some decent girls there. StudBucket, if you didn't like Simon Complex on Walking Street you're likely not going to like Simon Place either. Girls are fairly similar.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2071131]Not even a question of price. Sitting in a gogo now bored out of my mind. This shit is fucked. I gladly pay 5 k for a girl but no better they dance on stage and make no money.[/QUOTE]

Which gogo bar? A bored looking gogo girl on stage means nothing. I know many who looked bored shitless on stage and so much fun when you start drinking with them or take them out. If you see someone hot, smile and wave her over, determine her personality, and decide if you want to buy her a ladydrink.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2071221]Womaniszer is referring to Simon Place on 2nd road beside Terminal 21 and across from Tiffany's. I walked through the other night and he is correct there were definitely some decent girls there. StudBucket, if you didn't like Simon Complex on Walking Street you're likely not going to like Simon Place either. Girls are fairly similar.



Which gogo bar? A bored looking gogo girl on stage means nothing. I know many who looked bored shitless on stage and so much fun when you start drinking with them or take them out. If you see someone hot, smile and wave her over, determine her personality, and decide if you want to buy her a ladydrink.[/QUOTE]It's retarded. It's like they make it as hard as possible for the man to barfine and the lady to be with customer. The ladies spend too much time dancing not enough with customer. Too many fat dickheads crowding bar. Ladies too far away can't them can't even see their number. Sometimes the girl is already booked but has to dance on stage for 20 minutes. GoGo becoming a real chore. Too many have flat out ugly girls.

Thai attitude is really starting to get on my nerves. The staff are not friendly but the ladies once you eventually manage to barfine them are great.

Bars I like so far are dollhouse. But I stress in any bar once you get a lady; it's fine. The problem is pushy staff and overpriced drinks. To discuss anything with a lady they make it so you have to buy 1 drink and one lady drink sometimes 320 BAHT. The ladies price is not the problem it's the bars I don't like. The drinks are way too expensive for having so many ugly girls and such rude aggressive staff.

Sapphire club also has good staff.

Maybe I need to go to the clubs earlier.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2071183]No Blanquiceleste, I don't see this analogy as correct. I am asking to find good girls for 4 k long or 2500-3 k short time. This is not quite asking for a Ferrari at the price of a Toyota Altis. If I were asking to pay 2 k or 3 k for long time that's asking for a lot, but I stated in my post the price I believe we should be paying is max 4 k for top tier gogo girls which is still well over $120.00 I can get very good go go girls in Angeles City for $60 dollars which is half the price of Thailand, and although Philippines is a 3rd world country, where Thailand is 2nd world, things are not that cheap in the Philippines. Pattaya had its original lure for getting good prices on the women, and places like Soi 6, beer gardens, etc. have the some of the same quality girls in the gogos for a lot less. Its guys like you that continue to support these high prices (paying $200 for long time) and approving of it, that have ruined the market for us. Thanks![/QUOTE]5 or 6 k LT is the price for top girls. Only found two top girl this trip she wanted 5 k but barfine was 2 k, other was 6 k but she seemed like trouble. A little disappointed. I think I have gone out too late in the evening.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2071183]No Blanquiceleste, I don't see this analogy as correct. I am asking to find good girls for 4 k long or 2500-3 k short time. This is not quite asking for a Ferrari at the price of a Toyota Altis. If I were asking to pay 2 k or 3 k for long time that's asking for a lot, but I stated in my post the price I believe we should be paying is max 4 k for top tier gogo girls which is still well over $120.00 I can get very good go go girls in Angeles City for $60 dollars which is half the price of Thailand, and although Philippines is a 3rd world country, where Thailand is 2nd world, things are not that cheap in the Philippines. Pattaya had its original lure for getting good prices on the women, and places like Soi 6, beer gardens, etc. have the some of the same quality girls in the gogos for a lot less. Its guys like you that continue to support these high prices (paying $200 for long time) and approving of it, that have ruined the market for us. Thanks![/QUOTE]You cannot see the analogy, that is your problem, not mine.

The gogo prices the barfine as they deem fit. Same for the the girls. You think it is too high? Too bad. All the talk about 1st world, 2nd world, 3rd world, macroeconomic theory, cost comparisons between countries, whining and complaining are all good ways to rationalise, but it ain't getting you any closer to a top end gogo girl.

I pay what I feel like, what I can afford. It is my money and my holiday. And I don't give a rat's ass about what anyone thinks about it. The world is full of haves and have nots. Deal with it.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2071308]You cannot see the analogy, that is your problem, not mine.

The gogo prices the barfine as they deem fit. Same for the the girls. You think it is too high? Too bad. All the talk about 1st world, 2nd world, 3rd world, macroeconomic theory, cost comparisons between countries, whining and complaining are all good ways to rationalise, but it ain't getting you any closer to a top end gogo girl.

I pay what I feel like, what I can afford. It is my money and my holiday. And I don't give a rat's ass about what anyone thinks about it. The world is full of haves and have nots. Deal with it.[/QUOTE]It is perfectly legitimate to compare prices in different venues of the world and the legitimacy of those prices in the view of the payor. Yes, I agree with you that the price of something in a particular local is the price, and you either pay it or you don't. No doubt about that.

But for folks like StudBucket who have a choice about where they shop, it's perfectly legitimate for him to ask himself, "Why should I fly 2 days to get somewhere where I end up paying the same or more than other venues when I could have just went elsewhere more convenient and gotten the same thing (or something better) for cheaper or the same price?

In other words, let's say I were a coffee collector and I liked to travel the world collecting coffee. Let's say that I visit Thailand because I want to check out the coffee scene there. When I get there, I discover that, "Shit, the coffee prices for the good coffee I like to drink is about the same price or more than in other places. " In that case, I would naturally wonder why the fuck it would ever make sense for me to fly all the way to Thailand (2 days travel) when I could have just flown to Europe (1 day travel) and got the coffee for the same price. Yes, of course, this analysis depends on the subjective coffee preferences of each traveler, etc, etc.

I personally benefitted from StudBucket's post because it gives us, the readers, more data about prices in Thailand in various venues (and the variability of those prices). In all my reading of Thailand posts, the majority of ISG posters seem to focus on a price range of girls that clearly differs from the range of girls that StudBucket was targetting. In this way, StudBucket's post is a refreshing addition to these other data points. My personal fear is that I will find myself in StudBucket's same dilemma when I make my first trip out there later this Fall. But I will never know until I try, so I must go there and try.

If I end up sharing my subjective impressions about the prices in Thailand after my trip there this Fall, please don't beat up me up Mr. Blanquiceleste.

If I do share my subjective impressions about my future trip, which, I am fairly certain, will include comparisons to other locals, then please don't take that future post as a personal attack on you merely because my subjective impressions differ from your personal preferences or opinions. Likewise, this is an open forum where StudBucket is permitted, indeed, encouraged to share his personal experiences and opinions.

Yes, if your world is limited to Thailand, it seems as if StudBucket is wanting to get a Ferrari at Toyota Altris prices. But for someone like StudBucket who has a choice about where he visits in the world, it seemed to me that he may have indeed been complaining about having to pay Ferrari prices in Thailand for a Toyota Altris.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2071363]I personally benefitted from StudBucket's post because it gives us, the readers, more data about prices in Thailand in various venues (and the variability of those prices). In all my reading of Thailand posts, the majority of ISG posters seem to focus on a price range of girls that clearly differs from the range of girls that StudBucket was targetting. In this way, StudBucket's post is a refreshing addition to these other data points. My personal fear is that I will find myself in StudBucket's same dilemma when I make my first trip out there later this Fall. But I will never know until I try, so I must go there and try.
[/QUOTE]In Pattaya you can find girls for all prices ST and LT. From cheap beach road girls till the most expensive gogo girls. In the middle many bars girls, freelancers, chat app, disco, ST bars, BJ bars, Bodymassage, Massage shop. So my advice for your first trip is to try a bit of everythings and decide what is the best for you. If you are daytime or nighttime monger, if you like to party hard and drink till dawn, if you like ST or LT, in any case you will find your action. I avoid to comment on the price, if is good or not to pay these gogo price, the difference between Europe market (FKK, etc.) vs Thailand. After 11 years of holidays in Thailand I know what I like and what I want.

If you're the ISG member I followed into a Soi Full Love Inn gentleman's club today, PM me. Let's get together for drinks.

First of all, you will not compare Angeles City with Pattaya if your mind is clear and sober; I like AC and had two or three nice shots out there, but Pattaya is a different animal, the biggest place of this kind that I've ever seen, and I have seen a lot. Pattaya has it all working for itself, a pretty good size beach, huge city with very good infrastructure, world class hotels, over 600 bars with very beautiful babies and then some. I went to walking street which is a gogo heaven and was disappointed with prices; at 5 k LT I don't think it's worth it. I've seen same very good looking girls there, but so did I see some Ferraris or something like it on Soi 6 and they all go for 3000 LT and 2500ST. This girl that goes by the name of Surichai at the Redbone bar on Soi 6 is amazing; something that would cost $500 in NYC. Then there is another girl in the next bar over, forgot her name or the name of the bar, same price, looks like that singer Selena, huge latina like butt, beautiful face. Some Thais lok Latin a little bit. Then yeah, most of these other girls at those bars and good for quick thing, I would compare them to Toyotas and Kias, but once in a while you will find a pearl there. This girl Surichai does ST only, she will not go out LT because she makes more money through quick, one hour pops, all those good looking stunners will not go out for the night. Price comparisons Pattaya vs other places; Medellin, $12 for half HR vs Pattaya $100 all night (3000 bht) and we have a clear winner. Rio or Sao Paolo or Costa Rica $150 per HR, with all due respect. Other places that are cheaper like Phillipines or Indonesia, quality is not there, wasted trip, not to mention terrorism threats etc, Thailand is still place to go. People are so nice and soulful here, I love Thailand, not so much Pattaya as I do like Phuket, but hey.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2071363]It is perfectly legitimate to compare prices in different venues of the world and the legitimacy of those prices in the view of the payor. Yes, I agree with you that the price of something in a particular local is the price, and you either pay it or you don't. No doubt about that.

But for folks like StudBucket who have a choice about where they shop, it's perfectly legitimate for him to ask himself, "Why should I fly 2 days to get somewhere where I end up paying the same or more than other venues when I could have just went elsewhere more convenient and gotten the same thing (or something better) for cheaper or the same price?.[/QUOTE]As a monger who lives in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, I'd like to add that StudBucket's comments apply to Mexico and to Puerto Vallarta as well.

A monger can get ST here for $50-$60 USD per pop (from a fat fugly SW) to $300 USD / hour (from a really good looking chica). Other locales in Mexico are the same, more or less. IMHO, the larger the city, the more competition. And competition keeps prices a little more reasonable.

But the issue to me is the same. If I can get a decent experience for $100 USD in PV, why would I take a trip to Guadalajara and incur the costs of the trip and end up with an experience no different from what I could get where I live.

(That having been said, I lurk on this board 'cause I have a friend who live on Phuket and I hope to visit him someday and partake of some of the local talent. But the primary motivation for the trip would be to visit my buddy).

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2071363]It is perfectly legitimate to compare prices in different venues of the world and the legitimacy of those prices in the view of the payor. [/QUOTE]I ain't takin' away that right, I am just sayin' its useless. Your world in the present is what is in front of your eyes. One has to respond to that present moment in a way that maximizes what you are after. Carpe Diem. Anything else is a waste of time.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2071363]But for folks like StudBucket who have a choice about where they shop, it's perfectly legitimate for him to ask himself, "Why should I fly 2 days to get somewhere where I end up paying the same or more than other venues when I could have just went elsewhere more convenient and gotten the same thing (or something better) for cheaper or the same price?[/QUOTE]There is a reason why people from world over come to Thailand. And that reason is what you get in Thailand isn't available anywhere else. Now if its a hole you are after at the end of the day, then your argument is valid. To extend that coffee analogy, paying $10 for a latte at Starbucks in Thailand is undoubtedly stupid when you can get the same back home. No contest.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2071363]I personally benefitted from StudBucket's post because it gives us, the readers, more data about prices in Thailand in various venues (and the variability of those prices). In all my reading of Thailand posts, the majority of ISG posters seem to focus on a price range of girls that clearly differs from the range of girls that StudBucket was targetting. In this way, StudBucket's post is a refreshing addition to these other data points. My personal fear is that I will find myself in StudBucket's same dilemma when I make my first trip out there later this Fall. But I will never know until I try, so I must go there and try.

If I end up sharing my subjective impressions about the prices in Thailand after my trip there this Fall, please don't beat up me up Mr. Blanquiceleste.

If I do share my subjective impressions about my future trip, which, I am fairly certain, will include comparisons to other locals, then please don't take that future post as a personal attack on you merely because my subjective impressions differ from your personal preferences or opinions. Likewise, this is an open forum where StudBucket is permitted, indeed, encouraged to share his personal experiences and opinions.[/QUOTE]Peace Love Empathy mate! If you care to notice I did not start the attacks. Write about your adventures all you must and we will read with rapt attention.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2071183]Its guys like you that continue to support these high prices (paying $200 for long time) and approving of it, that have ruined the market for us. Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DavidSchmauch;2071418]Other places that are cheaper like Phillipines or Indonesia, quality is not there, wasted trip, not to mention terrorism threats etc, Thailand is still place to go.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't rule out Indonesia, there are some real stunners in Jakarta. I believe that the phillipines has some cuties as well, but I haven't spent enough time there to really know. Two extremely quick trips is all that I have managed.

That said, I do really like Thailand. Great food, stunning women, first class accommodation if you desire and it's pretty easy to get around Bangkok these days.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2071490]
There is a reason why people from world over come to Thailand. And that reason is what you get in Thailand isn't available anywhere else. Now if its a hole you are after at the end of the day, then your argument is valid. To extend that coffee analogy, paying $10 for a latte at Starbucks in Thailand is undoubtedly stupid when you can get the same back home. No contest.

[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more with the above. Everybody has different tastes in girls. I see this all the time in my favorite Go Go's in BKK where different guys are very happy with girls I would not choose to do for free and vice a versa I am with girls that some other punters would consider no good because they have no butt, or meat on the bone. LOL.

So, my preference is for young, demure, pretty, Asian girls of mostly petite size although I occasionally go for taller girls when I am in a place like Macau. I have done some Asian girls in Europe and in America. All I can say is, it's not the same thing. It is not as good as doing them in Asia. Now if I preferred Latinas, I know I could save myself a hell of a lot of air travel time, not to mention expense, by going SA like I used to do in the 90's. I may go back to SA someday and revisit some of the hot spots, but not in 2018,2019, or anytime soon. LOL.

And ditto for guys that like Caucasian girls. If you like European girls then you are in luck. Go to or stay in Germany. Or I hear Greece is dirt cheap, but I wonder about the quality there. HA HA. Anyway, forget about LOS. You are not going to like it half as much as I do. And I have similar advice for guys that think all girls are fungible I. E. The same everywhere. There is no point to flying to BKK and paying Go Go or Soapy prices if one hole is as good as another to you. There are still some cheap destinations out here, but keep in mind, that prices are going up everywhere especially for good looking girls so better hurry and find your place.

Africa might be worth checking out for some punters. AC & Subic are still very affordable for many. And there are some out of the way destinations, like Mong La, Burma that might really pay off for guys that like to explore a little and get off the beaten track. I say, go for it, whatever your "it" is.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2071508] I wouldn't rule out Indonesia, there are some real stunners in Jakarta. I believe that the Philippines has some cuties as well, but I haven't spent enough time there to really know. Two extremely quick trips is all that I have managed.

That said, I do really like Thailand. Great food, stunning women, first class accommodation if you desire and it's pretty easy to get around Bangkok these days. [/QUOTE]I really like Jakarta & Manila girls too. If it were only about the girls and all else were equal, I would spend more time in Jakarta and Manila than BKK, maybe. But it is not just about the girls. There is the overall ambiance of the destination, the level of safety, the infrastructure, living expenses, culture, food, transport, things to do other than mongering, ect ect. Taken on its whole, including girls and all the various venues (nightlife), I believe BKK/Pattaya is still the best place in Asia to recreate despite all the negatives and expense.

Personally, I would love to spend more time in Jakarta and Manila, because of the wonderful local girls, not the price benefits. Both Jakarta and Manila can be very expensive for quality girls. Unfortunately, I find 3 weeks at a time is all I can take of Jakarta or MNL before I get the strong urge to get out of Dodge. On the other hand, 6 weeks in BKK and I am still good for another 6 weeks. Why? Because as I said upfront, it is not only about the girls. There are great girls everywhere. HA HA. Well almost everywhere: BKK, Pat, MNL, CGK, Phnom Penh, AC, Sin, Macau, Shanghai, Vientiane, and Yangon. But I find BKK is one of the only large cities in Asia where I can be happy Long Time and remain relatively sane as long as I am able to make frequent short time excursions to other nearby locales and take a break. And there is no comparison between Pattaya and AC, its closest competitor. I would never choose to live in AC, although a week or 10 days there can be a lot of fun.

5 k LT is excellent price. Thailand more expensive than USA for a good quality of life. The problem is the GoGo bars themselves have rude out of control staff who are incredibly pushy and rude. Never seen anything this bad anywhere in the world. Just had a 2 k bill inc barfine shoved on my face. Like literally shoved. Thai people are horrible. I don't mind the price it's the poor service and thai violence I can't stand. Most racist country ever. Luckily Thai women are wonderful hookers.

Soi6 has many good lookers for 1 k baht.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2071551]5 k LT is excellent price. Thailand more expensive than USA for a good quality of life.

The problem is the GoGo bars themselves have rude out of control staff who are incredibly pushy and rude. Never seen anything this bad anywhere in the world. Just had a 2 k bill inc barfine shoved on my face. Like literally shoved. Thai people are horrible. I don't mind the price it's the poor service and thai violence I can't stand. Most racist country ever. Luckily Thai women are wonderful hookers.[/QUOTE]
I do not agree with your comment that Thailand is more expensive than USA for a good quality of life. Here are some statistics pulled from Numbeo.com:


Indices Difference Info
Consumer Prices in United States are 58.16% higher than in Thailand
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 78.31% higher than in Thailand
Rent Prices in United States are 141.16% higher than in Thailand
Restaurant Prices in United States are 206.96% higher than in Thailand
Groceries Prices in United States are 43.87% higher than in Thailand
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 305.72% higher than in Thailand

With respect to your comment about some Thais character, I could not agree with you anymore. Many Thai people as noted by others on this board and my opinion are racist, rude, and some men can be violent. They really don't welcome Farangs into their culture and embrace them even over time. If you get in a fight with a Thai man, be prepared to have many other Thai men jump in and help their fellow comrade beat the Farang, no matter if we are right or wrong. Also, lets not forget Lewis and Rosemary Owen from Wales, both grandparents in their 60's on vacation with their son who got beat up mercilessly by several Thais in Songkran because their son accidentally bumped into a Thai man causing him to spill a drink of beverage.

If it were not for the nice girls, I would not come here, so true.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2071490]There is a reason why people from world over come to Thailand. And that reason is what you get in Thailand isn't available anywhere else. Now if its a hole you are after at the end of the day, then your argument is valid. [/QUOTE]Thailand's GFE advantage is fairly close to slipping away. Just about 5-10 years ago, every second hooker was sweet (and cheap! These days, it's every 10th, and given the prices, those odds are no longer fun unless you're truly desperate for that Thai GFE hooker experience which was more or less the norm before.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2071490]I ain't takin' away that right, I am just sayin' its useless. Your world in the present is what is in front of your eyes. One has to respond to that present moment in a way that maximizes what you are after. Carpe Diem. Anything else is a waste of time.

There is a reason why people from world over come to Thailand. And that reason is what you get in Thailand isn't available anywhere else. Now if its a hole you are after at the end of the day, then your argument is valid. To extend that coffee analogy, paying $10 for a latte at Starbucks in Thailand is undoubtedly stupid when you can get the same back home. No contest.

Peace Love Empathy mate! If you care to notice I did not start the attacks. Write about your adventures all you must and we will read with rapt attention.[/QUOTE]Boy Blanquiceleste, you sit here and state you did not start the attacks. If you look at my original post, I merely stated that in my opinion paying 6 k for top quality girls in Thailand is too much and you replied with a very smug remark "You want a Ferrari for a price of a Toyota. " That is why I responded with my comment about "guys like you ruining the market". So, if this is not insulting to you, then you really need to wake up. Then, other posters come along, and tell you it is okay to compare prices. In fact Ultra Happy's post and analogy about the coffee bean buyer was flat out brilliant and he is clearly a man of wisdom. And you respond to him that it is useless banter to discuss prices (which many mongers apparently agree its good information to review prices) , and then you state there is no point coming to LOS if "one hole is as good as another. " (You really are being condescending here, again. )

You should toss out more of your funny remarks, as that is all they are good for.

I never stated I hate Pattaya, nor suggest that mongers should question coming here. In fact, I continue to rank it up there with Angeles City as my favorite places to monger and recommend it to all. I simply agree we all have choices and other top girls can be found in Pattaya or other countries without paying the high prices of these gogo bars. Now, lets just move on.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2071565]In fact Ultra Happy's post and analogy about the coffee bean buyer was flat out brilliant and he is clearly a man of wisdom. And you respond to him that it is useless banter to discuss prices (which many mongers apparently agree its good information to review prices) , and then you state there is no point coming to LOS if "one hole is as good as another. " (You really are being condescending here, again. )

Now, lets just move on.[/QUOTE]If you think that analogy was brilliant, then perhaps he should run for Chief of the Federal Reserve and you could apply for the position of his secretary.

On second thought, ya. Let us just move on. Because this banter is really a waste of time. Too many Ferraris to bang out there.

I'm thinking of spending New Years Eve in Pattaya. What is the general scene like? I suppose everywhere will be in party mode and full of people.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2071560]I do not agree with your comment that Thailand is more expensive than USA for a good quality of life. Here are some statistics pulled from Numbeo.com:


Indices Difference Info
Consumer Prices in United States are 58.16% higher than in Thailand
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 78.31% higher than in Thailand
Rent Prices in United States are 141.16% higher than in Thailand
Restaurant Prices in United States are 206.96% higher than in Thailand
Groceries Prices in United States are 43.87% higher than in Thailand
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 305.72% higher than in Thailand

With respect to your comment about some Thais character, I could not agree with you anymore. Many Thai people as noted by others on this board and my opinion are racist, rude, and some men can be violent. They really don't welcome Farangs into their culture and embrace them even over time. If you get in a fight with a Thai man, be prepared to have many other Thai men jump in and help their fellow comrade beat the Farang, no matter if we are right or wrong. Also, lets not forget Lewis and Rosemary Owen from Wales, both grandparents in their 60's on vacation with their son who got beat up mercilessly by several Thais in Songkran because their son accidentally bumped into a Thai man causing him to spill a drink of beverage.

If it were not for the nice girls, I would not come here, so true.[/QUOTE]Statistics are almost useless. Just sum totals. Would include family in isaan with buffalo and metropolitan girl in Bangkok. You want to live USA quality off life then Thailand is more expensive.

You Americans just need to accept the average America no longer has a lot of money. Your 200 USD is nothing to Thai people now. There are many many families in Pattaya now. Gogo bars are barely brothels with most girls masking a salary and drinks beónus and need only 1 or 2 customer short time per week.

In pattaya you either settle for average girls (who are still decent but the main reason to hire them is their personality) or you play the GoGo game of buy 10 drinks fight for scraps of japanese men. Maybe next time don't vote for idiot republicans with economic policies that only make sense for a minority. If you are in they minority then you have no problem paying 6 k LT. She is a lovely girl and an extra 2 k baht is just $60. Stop being tight wad.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2071561]Thailand's GFE advantage is fairly close to slipping away. Just about 5-10 years ago, every second hooker was sweet (and cheap! These days, it's every 10th, and given the prices, those odds are no longer fun unless you're truly desperate for that Thai GFE hooker experience which was more or less the norm before.[/QUOTE]They are all sweet to me. So sweet. Maybe YOU changed.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2071655]Your 200 USD is nothing to Thai people now.[/QUOTE]$200 US nothing to Thai people?? 6,640 THB. Dear MrManGuy, Money is everything to Thai people. Learn it.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2071655]Your 200 USD is nothing to Thai people now.[/QUOTE]Your claims of Thai people being suddenly rich, living costs in Thailand being higher than US and such, is well beyond ridiculous.

There has been growth in Thailand, but income inequality is still vast, and most Thais earn not much more than the minimum wage, which is $10/ day, meaning $300/ mo. $200 goes a very, very long way here with ordinary people, albeit perhaps not with a small group of overpriced hookers. Compared to the minimum wage, offering $200 in Thailand is the exact equivalent of offering $1000 in the US. Not a life-changing amount, but not something many people would sneer at.

I know girls right now struggling to make even 200 baht per day during low season. Only a very small percentage of girls are able to pull in the 5000 LT Japanese customers on a nightly basis.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2071735]I know girls right now struggling to make even 200 baht per day during low season. Only a very small percentage of girls are able to pull in the 5000 LT Japanese customers on a nightly basis.[/QUOTE]I think what people forget is that whilst some girls might have some good patches where they have customers paying a lot, during the low season or when there is a coup / other political problem and there are no punters around the girls make almost no money. They don't have steady income.

If you go back 20 years, for us old enough to have been going to Thailand back then, I think a lot of the girls who were out on weekends were regular girls who were supplementing their income. Back then a 25 year old With a degree working in a bank would have made an ok salary but not enough to splurge on new shows, handbags, etc. These days, a girl in the same position probably has a much higher real salary compared to back then. The Thai economy has grown a lot and the demand for quality staff, especially those who speak a second language, has seen salaried increase a lot for some sectors. The middle class in Thailand, especially Bangkok is much better off than 20 years ago, but the lower classes not so much.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2071648]Statistics are almost useless. Just sum totals. Would include family in isaan with buffalo and metropolitan girl in Bangkok. You want to live USA quality off life then Thailand is more expensive.[/QUOTE]I 100% agree with you. Things have changed in these 10 years. Thailand is been expensive in Food but still accomodation is cheap. The attitude of girls has changed a lot. All have become money minded. Well A change is always seen in whole world with the time.

I been visiting Thailand from a long time. I speak Thai even but things are still hard for me sometimes.

So I just skipped my holidays from 4 Times in Thailand to 1 time in a year.

I have started new destination which is Jakarta.

Girls still don't know how to drag money from customers. The cost of food, accommodation & girls is cheap.

People respect here a lot.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2071561]Thailand's GFE advantage is fairly close to slipping away. Just about 5-10 years ago, every second hooker was sweet (and cheap! These days, it's every 10th, and given the prices, those odds are no longer fun unless you're truly desperate for that Thai GFE hooker experience which was more or less the norm before.[/QUOTE]Well put, it's like every 10 nth or 20 nth depending on how picky you are. I felt like a junky on my last visit to Pattaya, just walking the hot and polluted streets, looking for my fix but unable to find a hooker that suites my fancy in the daytime (too many old and fat woman, let's be honest here). Yeah sometimes it's great, you don't have to look far. But sometimes, it's dry there and that doesn't help if one is thirsty.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2071735]I know girls right now struggling to make even 200 baht per day during low season. Only a very small percentage of girls are able to pull in the 5000 LT Japanese customers on a nightly basis.[/QUOTE]Very true but they forget not all falang are poor. If they treated falang costumers better they would get more barfines. All I see night after night is a bunch of Japanese men hogging all the girls.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2071719]Your claims of Thai people being suddenly rich, living costs in Thailand being higher than US and such, is well beyond ridiculous.

There has been growth in Thailand, but income inequality is still vast, and most Thais earn not much more than the minimum wage, which is $10/ day, meaning $300/ mo. $200 goes a very, very long way here with ordinary people, albeit perhaps not with a small group of overpriced hookers. Compared to the minimum wage, offering $200 in Thailand is the exact equivalent of offering $1000 in the US. Not a life-changing amount, but not something many people would sneer at.[/QUOTE]Just pay the pretty lady 5 k and fuck her hard till she cries if you want. Or do her passionately and slowly. Your choice, your 5 k, but the lady sets the price. She is the one giving up her body and her dignity. Don't push them to a price where she goes back to the rice farm.

There are 2 Thailand. In the right thailand, 5k is not much.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2071719]Your claims of Thai people being suddenly rich, living costs in Thailand being higher than US and such, is well beyond ridiculous.[/QUOTE]Most message boards have a very useful ignore function, so why bother to feed the trolls? Their mum's always end up calling them to supper soon enough.

SL.

Fire at Iron Club on Walking Street this afternoon. Doesn't appear to be a ton of damage.

Had three days in Patts mid June, misplaced the report but it turned up so posting now. This maybe my 6th or 7th trip but first report (in the main as my nights involve usually good amounts of drink so recollection very hazy next day for FR purposes.). Stayed at Baraquda McGalley, 2nd Rd. Widely tipped up in Hotel Section. Would concur with that. Good place to stay in all quarters. Previously always stayed across the street at what was Marriott Resort and Spa. This place not quite up to that but close enough and would stay again.

I don't have whole lot to say that might be of interest but here goes. This is the first time ever ventured to Red Car and very impressed. Hit it twice both times with company. But excellent sprinkling of fine talent. Place has good vibe, good music for the ages, service, prices. Etc all reasonable enough. Place was also rocking just north of midnight. One night after Red Car went to IBar. Again this was a first for me. This was sort of 2-4 am window. Took a table right in the bowels of the place and was rammed with ladies. Good all round quality. Bar girls, students, MILF and girl next door types. Seemed to be very few guys about. Perhaps I hit the place on some sort of local holiday week or something, have no idea or perhaps this is absolutely the norm but was almost overwhelmed by how many ladies all groups of 2-4 at tables seemingly waiting for something (I wonder what). So both these places are now firmly on any agenda I will have for future Patt's trips. Previously they were not. Also, will add I am just north of the big five oh (albeit trim and smart but casual attire.), European and did not feel uncomfortable or square peg in round hole at all.

Hit only go-go's at LK Metro where I felt quality and numbers were marginally down on anything can ever recall. Only ones I could give shout out to would be Destiny, Show Girls and the one on the road heading down to LKM. Right side just before bar complex called Paya or Apaya maybe? Also noticed I think for the first time in several go-go's ladies pretty much partying with their own little group, barely taking notice of customers. Drinking quite heavily and seemingly having a great time with themselves. Also noted in several bars (Show Girls, Mandarin upstairs in Bangkok and another LK Metro place that can't recall) really, really wired up girl (s). I don't mean just a fun chick who is a bit of a bar jester but girls really bouncing off the walls almost. These girls were ultra skinny in all cases. So observing this and the little gaggles of girls partying on their own was not something I recall before so much. Something and nothing maybe!

My penchant is early thirty something girls. Have to be slim and reasonably cute but don't need to be red hot. Most important is a bit of spark! Interesting, funny and spirited. This trip found three such ladies in three days. So there is still plenty of fruit still in Patts. These type of ladies tend to wind up as hawkers outside bars in and around LK Metro, 2nd Road. My MO is always to buy a few quick drinks so there quota keeps healthy then head off with them some place to dance (like Red Car) or hit another bar with karaoke. Lots of these ladies like to sing so often paid up a few hundred Bhat for them to take a turn with the mic. All the time the lady is drinking (a real drink) a little also and feeling somewhat like she is on a date. For sure this adds maybe 1,000 2,000 Bhat to the evening expenses but IME this is pure investment and goes straight to the bottom line when it comes to a super willing, passionate and enthusiastic bed partner when the time comes.

Other trivia. First time thought about swimming in the sea. Huge mistake like soup. Makes the sea at Juhu Beach (Mumbai) look like The Carribean. Avoid certainly around beach road strip of sea. Gross.

In the past used Mr Vichram for taxi's from BKK to Patts. Seems no longer in the business! So used Pattaya Central and ended up with two pretty wild drivers. Not use again and gladly pay few hundred Bhat premium for a sensible driver next time.

I would like to finish with a question if I may. Planning next trip late September to Patt's. I am thinking about staying at Renaissance Pattaya Resort & Spa. This is a new hotel in Jomtein (address given as Moo3, Na Jomtein, Sattahip). I have never ventured outside of South Pattaya. Staying at this place, which is listed as 7 miles from Pattaya, likely to a big turn off for company coming with me for the night? And or will I be battling constantly with taxi's or being seriously ripped off to go that far? I don't mind some extra expense and disruption to stay out there but if it's a constant headache for above reasons will abandon the idea of evening trying a stay there! Any informed opinion much appreciated.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2071845]Fire at Iron Club on Walking Street this afternoon. Doesn't appear to be a ton of damage.[/QUOTE]Did the "low" signs blocked the fire engines?

[QUOTE=HorneeFalang;2071671]$200 US nothing to Thai people?? 6,640 THB. Dear MrManGuy, Money is everything to Thai people. Learn it.[/QUOTE]Money #1 is a book that explains that for Thai, money comes alwsys first.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2071735]I know girls right now struggling to make even 200 baht per day during low season. Only a very small percentage of girls are able to pull in the 5000 LT Japanese customers on a nightly basis.[/QUOTE]This may seem strange, but I know a girl that hardly turns up to work at the bar any more, stays home watching Lakhorns and living on her savings, LOL, and taking a few sure thing private customers.

Really weird? The bar is too boring, but she will attend if I am known to be there, and she can get a good amount of money for certain. She certainly won't turn up for the prospect of making 200 Baht.

Recently went with a good customer for 4 days to Phuket. Hopefully not so boring as the bar.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2071561]Thailand's GFE advantage is fairly close to slipping away. Just about 5-10 years ago, every second hooker was sweet (and cheap! These days, it's every 10th, and given the prices, those odds are no longer fun unless you're truly desperate for that Thai GFE hooker experience which was more or less the norm before.[/QUOTE]Yes I feel for you. Gone are the days when we can change Thai girls every day and expect a fab GFE. I think of 25 years ago when nearly every Thai girl was sweet and GFE. The only remedy I find now is to collect some good girls, as well paid fuck buddies, and just keep repeating them, only occasionally resorting to try something new when desperate, and even then really spending time to check if there is any apparent chemisty. I get on pretty good with my regulars and they keep coming back for one reason or another (obviously money being the major one) but also having a moderately good time compared to what could be had with some of the random assholes out there.

I think the odds of one in every tenth can be improved on, if spend some time getting to know what the girls likes and is like. I better advice from bar staff that know me than what I get from papasans and mamasans in Soapies, Oilies or whatever, that I don't know.

Maybe there is a problem that I am 25 years older, and so now appeal to Thai girls less? However It is easy to see different attitudes to those of long ago. Maybe life was much more difficult 25 years ago, and Farangs were a possible and welcome way to forget their own world, briefly.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2071845]Fire at Iron Club on Walking Street this afternoon. Doesn't appear to be a ton of damage.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.stickboybkk.com/news/fire-breaks-walking-street-go-go-bar/[/URL]

" ... With the estimated damage was said to be around 3 to 5 million baht. "

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2071922]

I think the odds of one in every tenth can be improved on, if spend some time getting to know what the girls likes and is like. I better advice from bar staff that know me than what I get from papasans and mamasans in Soapies, Oilies or whatever, that I don't know.

Maybe there is a problem that I am 25 years older, and so now appeal to Thai girls less? However It is easy to see different attitudes to those of long ago. Maybe life was much more difficult 25 years ago, and Farangs were a possible and welcome way to forget their own world, briefly.[/QUOTE]While I agree that GFE's are a rarity, they can be found. I have been going Costa Rica for 10 years and Thailand for seven years. One thing I find is that is you spend more than money to find out about a working woman, the better you will fair for a GFE. I frequent a lot of the same bars I always travel to and have come to know many women I have taken, as well as not taken. It's refreshing to go back someplace and they know you and welcome you. I believe it is all about how you treat the women. Treat her with respect and as if she is the only one there, your chances for GFE vastly improve. In short, money alone doesn't buy you a GFE. EnjoyI I will when I return to Patts in 20 days.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2071937][URL]https://www.stickboybkk.com/news/fire-breaks-walking-street-go-go-bar/[/URL]

" ... With the estimated damage was said to be around 3 to 5 million baht. "[/QUOTE]There was a story in Pattaya One not too long ago that the bars in the "Happy Zone" had to take their signs down, due to safety concerns. One concern was that fire trucks would not be able to traverse the "Magnificent Mile". It appears that was not the case here. Cheers!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2071913]This may seem strange, but I know a girl that hardly turns up to work at the bar any more, stays home watching Lakhorns and living on her savings, LOL, and taking a few sure thing private customers.

Really weird? The bar is too boring, but she will attend if I am known to be there, and she can get a good amount of money for certain. She certainly won't turn up for the prospect of making 200 Baht.

Recently went with a good customer for 4 days to Phuket. Hopefully not so boring as the bar.[/QUOTE]In every single country there are haves and have-nots. In NYC it is common to see the homeless hobo wound up in an alley shivering to death while a banker from Wall Street is snorting thru a $100 bill.

I am in planning mode for my upcoming trip and I texted a few chicks I have been with in past trips. Quite a few are telling me about holidays with customers to Vietnam, Japan, Singapore and Australia. A equal number are just plain happy to meet. One said to me "I know you are good man with big heart and always take care me. But this time for you I see you free. You only give me taxi money and tip. " So BB isn't wrong about the struggle for 200 baht.

[QUOTE=MrPards;2071874]Had three days in Patts mid June, misplaced the report but it turned up so posting now. This maybe my 6th or 7th trip but first report (in the main as my nights involve usually good amounts of drink so recollection very hazy next day...

In the past used Mr Vichram for taxi's from BKK to Patts. Seems no longer in the business! So used Pattaya Central and ended up with two pretty wild drivers. Not use again and gladly pay few hundred Bhat premium for a sensible driver next time.

I would like to finish with a question if I may. Planning next trip late September to Patt's. I am thinking about staying at Renaissance Pattaya Resort & Spa. This is a new hotel in Jomtein (address given as Moo3, Na Jomtein, Sattahip). I have never ventured outside of South Pattaya. Staying at this place, which is listed as 7 miles from Pattaya, likely to a big turn off for company coming with me for the night? And or will I be battling constantly with taxi's or being seriously ripped off to go that far? I don't mind some extra expense and disruption to stay out there but if it's a constant headache for above reasons will abandon the idea of evening trying a stay there! Any informed opinion much appreciated.[/QUOTE]As to taxis: Tom's taxi was A+ (google for contact info).

As to Jomtien location: Totally a headache. You will spend a lot of time studying taxi interiors both ways. Add 1. 5 hours total commute based on my experience two nights ago.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2071788] If they treated falang costumers better they would get more barfines. All I see night after night is a bunch of Japanese men hogging all the girls.[/QUOTE]I can't say I see Japanese men hogging all the girls but I do see what I would have to describe as a men (Asian or Westerner, young or old, fit or slobs, doesn't matter) hand in hand with a girl for whom they seem to have very little expectations of something very good, satisfying, rewarding and hassle-free happening once they get to the room. Sit at the rail in Big Dogs Bar at the entrance to Nana Plaza for a while, or whatever is similar in Pattaya, and you will see customer after customer walking out with their go-go bar girl of choice in a state of low level caution and wariness, nothing like an air of "What fun! Great times ahead, can't wait. " As though they are pretty sure she is leading them to some kind of land mine of unpleasant surprise and probable disappointment, whatever was suggested by her behavior in the bar.

Am I reading too much in the body language here? Perhaps. But it is better defined when you contrast it to the way customers look walking out with their Ladyboy choice of the evening. Seriously. I am in no way recommending Ladyboys or even thinking of taking one. But those guys, the customers taking out Ladyboys I mean, look completely at ease and happy to be going wherever they are heading with their "lady", chatting it up, smiles and confident attitudes abounding. Very much the opposite of what the men who are accompanying a real female look like on the way to the battlefield. I don't think I saw that happening 20+ years ago. But this generation's crop of P4P Thai girls have earned their reputation for being full of promise in the bars and fairly lousy at the point of delivery in bed I think.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2071904]Money #1 is a book that explains that for Thai, money comes alwsys first.[/QUOTE]It certainly does not [I]always[/I] come first, and I have seen that with my eyes, many, many times. But I agree that it's given more importance than in other cultures.

Anyway, I came back few days ago and have had a great time, possibly one of the best ever. First I called Aon the petite Laotian of the previous times, which said she had a BF. But a text offer of Bt 2,000 made the guy disappear the following day, while for the first night I took a quite decent FL at Lucifer. Jokeful, slim and easy going, she did not mention money at any point. Then moved to the Lao lady, but she was acting a bit too much Lao (in lack of a better description) for my current tastes. And on the third night I took 28 yr young Boo from I disco, she's also slim with a good body, although her round face and flat nose may not be the like of everyone. I kept her until now with no regrets, she went beyond GFE, to become total care and availability. No anal but given her sweetness I didn't felt particularly attracted by that. As usual, did not see anyone look above 7 in Insomnia and Lucifer, but there are two tall jaw droppers at Crystal in LK metro. One have natural boobs that have to be seen to be believed. Both appeared kinda stuck up. A friend of mine is saying that big boobed Maa at Sky bar in Soy six is a great fuck, for sure she's not rushing as it took almost 1 HR to service this other buddy which is enjoying his very 1st time in Thailand. That's all I can contribute for this time, good luck.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2071788]Very true but they forget not all falang are poor. If they treated falang costumers better they would get more barfines. All I see night after night is a bunch of Japanese men hogging all the girls.[/QUOTE]It is not that they treat the Japanese better than others. It is that the Japanese is content in getting a stunner (or the like) giving a very little amount of sex, same for the girl especially for the price she's being paid for. While the average Westerner monger wants total satisfaction and if not getting it will not return and spread the word about it. Try happily paying Japanese prices and behaving like one (includes almost no English spoken), and you will see how popular and "well treated" you will become in these clubs.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2071788]Very true but they forget not all falang are poor. If they treated falang costumers better they would get more barfines. All I see night after night is a bunch of Japanese men hogging all the girls.[/QUOTE]I think we need to call the bluff here. While it is visible that Asian men blow more money with little expectation in return, one needs to acknowledge the fact that there are a good number of Western men doing the same.

If you are in doubt take a look at the photo gallery of Sapphire AGogo. All you see are Western men. For that matter, any other Gogo that puts up pics of its patrons. All Western men. Now they are not getting all that for free, are they?

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2072205]It is not that they treat the Japanese better than others. It is that the Japanese is content in getting a stunner (or the like) giving a very little amount of sex, same for the girl especially for the price she's being paid for. While the average Westerner monger wants total satisfaction and if not getting it will not return and spread the word about it. Try happily paying Japanese prices and behaving like one (includes almost no English spoken), and you will see how popular and "well treated" you will become in these clubs.[/QUOTE]The Japanese are used to their snack bars or whisky bars were they spend a fortune and at the best they flirt with the girls.

So theybdonthe same in bkk with the bonus the costs are cheaper and the girls go with them to their rooms for a fraction of the Japanese price.

Guys have Not high sex expectations from bar girls.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2072210]I think we need to call the bluff here. While it is visible that Asian men blow more money with little expectation in return, one needs to acknowledge the fact that there are a good number of Western men doing the same.

If you are in doubt take a look at the photo gallery of Sapphire AGogo. All you see are Western men. For that matter, any other Gogo that puts up pics of its patrons. All Western men. Now they are not getting all that for free, are they?[/QUOTE]Maybe I was just unlucky, maybe I was not assertive enough in picking my girl. I just found the GoGo bars to be too much. Too many girls fighting over Japanese men, not paying me any attention. Staff do not care about getting you a girl, they just want you to order drinks as fast as possible. One even took my half finished drink away and said "you want another? The service in the GoGo bars is appalling. And you have to sit there and suffer them for a minimum of 20 or 30 minutes.

I did foolishly pass on bar fining two stunners for various reasons when I shouldn't have passed. I don't know what you mean by service levels. Thai women are the perfect companion. They know how to be submissive and get along. I really don't know what more to expect from a woman I just met 15 minutes ago whom I'm paying to be my girlfriend for the night. I've never had unacceptable service from a Thai woman and 95% of the time it has been excellent service. I short timed my semi "regular" in Bangkok and she ended up staying and talking with me for an extra 3 hours.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2072100]Sit at the rail in Big Dogs Bar at the entrance to Nana Plaza for a while, or whatever is similar in Pattaya, and you will see customer after customer walking out with their go-go bar girl of choice in a state of low level caution and wariness, nothing like an air of "What fun! Great times ahead, can't wait.[/QUOTE]So true about being front row at Big Dogs. What vantage points are of similar ilk in Patts?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2072504]I don't know what you mean by service levels. Thai women are the perfect companion. They know how to be submissive and get along. I really don't know what more to expect from a woman I just met 15 minutes ago whom I'm paying to be my girlfriend for the night. I've never had unacceptable service from a Thai woman and 95% of the time it has been excellent service.[/QUOTE]If that was true then you're blessed with too many qualities and luck to waste your time discussing here, let alone paying for sex. In that case please leave us alone in our sharing of founded, practical information and stories.

Unfortunately, reality is very different, anyone can and will receive poor or even no service from a Thai prostitute. It happens a lot more than 5% of the times, I promise you. I'm not the one saying that, but countless of reports, verbal or written, check there are some ten just in the last two pages. Now come back saying that then it's customer's fault, and you'll really make me laugh.

Over the years I've learned to put to good use the bad experiences to refine my monger's sixth sense. To an extent, that worked, but still I fail at times. That's how this hobby works, take it or leave.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2072534]
Unfortunately, reality is very different, anyone can and will receive poor or even no service from a Thai prostitute. It happens a lot more than 5% of the times, I promise you. I'm not the one saying that, but countless of reports, verbal or written, check there are some ten just in the last two pages. Now come back saying that then it's customer's fault, and you'll really make me laugh.

Over the years I've learned to put to good use the bad experiences to refine my monger's sixth sense. To an extent, that worked, but still I fail at times. That's how this hobby works, take it or leave.[/QUOTE]When I have asked about how a bar girl thinks, I was told it all about who is paying. I understand that and appreciated the view point, but a lot of people are going to act different if you try to take their situation into account. Like sitting with one bar girl for a couple of nights then switching. If I want GFE then I need to treat with a certain level of respect. Just my thought, people should do whatever they think best.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2072504]I've never had unacceptable service from a Thai woman and 95% of the time it has been excellent service.[/QUOTE]I have the exact same experience that you have. Neither can I recall any of my friends ever complaining. Maybe it is the punters themselves that are changing. Who knows, in 20 more years I may be complaing about how it is hard to get good service from Thai hookers. But until then, let the good times roll.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2072504]I've never had unacceptable service from a Thai woman and 95% of the time it has been excellent service. I short timed my semi "regular" in Bangkok and she ended up staying and talking with me for an extra 3 hours.[/QUOTE]You haven't been here long enough. I have been living here for 4 years. Most of the girls have been good = that means the majority of them. BUT 95% Hell No. I would say more like 85%.

If you spend more time here, you will find out. I had one from the club a couple of years ago who agreed to stay all night. We went to my guesthouse around 3 am. Then she was ready to go at 0900 without a fuck in the morning. Of course I told her I expect a morning / afternoon session before she left. She claimed she STAYED all night. Yeah she was sleeping all night. No need to sleep in my room ALL NIGHT if you aren't going to fuck in the morning! That's the same as ST. So I gave her 1000 to leave. She was all upset, crying and shit. I showed her the door and went back to sleep.

I had another one who claimed say she 'needs' to give a key to her 'sister', after the first round. Yes, in Thailand. I paid her less money to leave. Told her that she can to come back for the rest. Next time I saw her, she wanted to come again. I asked her if her sister has a key first. LOL Then I took another girl right next to her just to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] her off and of course to get my nut.

Had another one give me a 1 minute blowjob last year. Then she asked for a condom. Not ok in my book. She demanded money for 'HER' time. She was told to leave and with 200 baht for her taxi. As if my time was not part of the equation. I can go on and on. All unacceptable performances. So 85% would be a better average, not 95%. That's roughly 1 out of 10.

Some of the girls will test you. Stand your ground and tell them what you expect upfront. If they balk, you can change the rate.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2072769]You haven't been here long enough. I have been living here for 4 years. Most of the girls have been good = that means the majority of them. BUT 95% Hell No. I would say more like 85%.

If you spend more time here, you will find out. I had one from the club a couple of years ago who agreed to stay all night. We went to my guesthouse around 3 am. Then she was ready to go at 0900 without a fuck in the morning. Of course I told her I expect a morning / afternoon session before she left. She claimed she STAYED all night. Yeah she was sleeping all night. No need to sleep in my room ALL NIGHT if you aren't going to fuck in the morning! That's the same as ST. So I gave her 1000 to leave. She was all upset, crying and shit. I showed her the door and went back to sleep.

I had another one who claimed say she 'needs' to give a key to her 'sister', after the first round. Yes, in Thailand. I paid her less money to leave. Told her that she can to come back for the rest. Next time I saw her, she wanted to come again. I asked her if her sister has a key first. LOL Then I took another girl right next to her just to **** her off and of course to get my nut.

Had another one give me a 1 minute blowjob last year. Then she asked for a condom. Not ok in my book. She demanded money for 'HER' time. She was told to leave and with 200 baht for her taxi. As if my time was not part of the equation. I can go on and on. All unacceptable performances. So 85% would be a better average, not 95%. That's roughly 1 out of 10.

Some of the girls will test you. Stand your ground and tell them what you expect upfront. If they balk, you can change the rate.[/QUOTE]I concur. While the majority of experiences have been good for me in nearly two decades, there are some entire forgettable ones, which I simply don't seem to forget. The lost key is one of the oldest tricks in the book. I think it might be an interesting and informative thread to list down all the excuses Thai girls (any girl in any country for that matter) have given mongers to slip out of an LT arrangement.

I will start with.

2 - Taking suddenly ill after the first round.

3 - Son needs milk at home.

4 - Go home to fill water in tank.

5 - Friend had accident on scooter.

Let us make this one count guys.

I will be back in Pattaya early September and just finished reading the last 150 pages of reports.

For Newbies-.

This will be my 9th trip and cumulatively have spent well over 6 months in Pattaya and I STILL went back 150 pages! You guys that read two pages and ask questions are lucky that Banana boi answer you most of the time. Really lucky.

Thank yous all around to BB, Mr. E, Uncle V, the Hawk brothers (Wild and FL), blanquiceleste. There are many more that need to be thanked but I am late for a date in Parque LLeras now and need to cut this short. So apologies to the contributors that I didn't name by name.

I would like to summarize a few things from the last 150 posts-.

-It is 2017 nothing is the same as it was in 2012 or 2005. Get over it. Stop reminiscing, you will have plenty of time for that later when you are in a nursing home. Deal with the cards you are dealt in 2017 and move on.

-It is your vacation or your retirement do what makes you happy. If that means you are a BR freelancer kind of monger, do that then, if you are more into high end a-gogo girls, do that then. Don't worry about what anyone else thinks.

-This whole debate the last 10 pages about Ferraris and prices in Pattaya vs FKK vs Medellin casa. Those comparisons are only relevant when you are sitting at home trying to decide on your next vacation. Once your boots are on the ground, you have to deal with the situation on the ground. That means if agogo club wants 1500 baht BF and girl wants 5000 LT your choice is to either negotiate with her and probably pay close to that or go somewhere else. Whining about the prices of Atlantis in AC are 50% of what I pay in Baccara are senseless, book your ticket to AC.

Now, newbies and specifically Horatio.

Mr. E gave you advice that many of you are forgetting. Golden rule- he who has the gold makes the rules. So if you don't like the fat chick that sits next to you don't feel obligated to buy her a drink. That doesn't mean by a jerk about it, just politely tell her that you are just looking around now, period, end of discussion.

Eat pussy, don't be a pussy.

Again thanks to all the contributors, 98% of anything you want to know has already been written here several times fellas, you just have to make the effort.

Suerte.

One caveat to the Golden Rule. You got to have enough gold.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;2072794]I will be back in Pattaya early September and just finished reading the last 150 pages of reports.

For Newbies-.

This will be my 9th trip and cumulatively have spent well over 6 months in Pattaya and I STILL went back 150 pages! You guys that read two pages and ask questions are lucky that Banana boi answer you most of the time. Really lucky.

Thank yous all around to BB, Mr. E, Uncle V, the Hawk brothers (Wild and FL), blanquiceleste. There are many more that need to be thanked but I am late for a date in Parque LLeras now and need to cut this short. So apologies to the contributors that I didn't name by name.

I would like to summarize a few things from the last 150 posts-.

-It is 2017 nothing is the same as it was in 2012 or 2005. Get over it. Stop reminiscing, you will have plenty of time for that later when you are in a nursing home. Deal with the cards you are dealt in 2017 and move on.

-It is your vacation or your retirement do what makes you happy. If that means you are a BR freelancer kind of monger, do that then, if you are more into high end a-gogo girls, do that then. Don't worry about what anyone else thinks.

-This whole debate the last 10 pages about Ferraris and prices in Pattaya vs FKK vs Medellin casa. Those comparisons are only relevant when you are sitting at home trying to decide on your next vacation. Once your boots are on the ground, you have to deal with the situation on the ground. That means if agogo club wants 1500 baht BF and girl wants 5000 LT your choice is to either negotiate with her and probably pay close to that or go somewhere else. Whining about the prices of Atlantis in AC are 50% of what I pay in Baccara are senseless, book your ticket to AC.

Now, newbies and specifically Horatio.

Mr. E gave you advice that many of you are forgetting. Golden rule- he who has the gold makes the rules. So if you don't like the fat chick that sits next to you don't feel obligated to buy her a drink. That doesn't mean by a jerk about it, just politely tell her that you are just looking around now, period, end of discussion.

Eat pussy, don't be a pussy.

Again thanks to all the contributors, 98% of anything you want to know has already been written here several times fellas, you just have to make the effort.

Suerte.[/QUOTE]My problem isn't the fat chick that sits next to me. It is the hot girl that sits next to me that I took home 2 days ago and want to take home again in a few days. It's just now I want her friend. Maybe it is as easy as just saying to her not tonight. It doesn't seem like it would work that way if I still want the big GFE again in a couple of days.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2072818]My problem isn't the fat chick that sits next to me. It is the hot girl that sits next to me that I took home 2 days ago and want to take home again in a few days. It's just now I want her friend. Maybe it is as easy as just saying to her not tonight. It doesn't seem like it would work that way if I still want the big GFE again in a couple of days.[/QUOTE]And you do not think she will want your baht again in a couple of days? Somehow you keep forgetting their purpose for being there is money; probably the same purpose you have for going to work. Remember it is paid companionship.

To me, one thing that sets Thailand apart is that the girls know what they are. Even still, it seems many mongers do not realize what they are. If you ask a Thai girl what she does then she will say, "I go with man for money." If you send her a message wanting her to come over she has no problem telling you, "I am with customer" if that is exactly what she is doing.

In many of the Latin American countries you will just get the girls avoiding your calls or making up lies if she is with another customer. In those threads you get the bullshit of guys throwing around the term semi-prostitute. Guys and girls pussyfooting around not wanting to admit to each other that she is a hooker when it is obvious if you are giving her money for sex then that is exactly what she is. To me either she is selling ass or she is not. Ain't no in between.

When you fully realize the girls in the bar are there to sell ass to you as a customer then you will no longer give a fuck what the girl you took two days ago thinks about you going with a different girl today. You will also be able to return to the first girl to buy ass without feeling ashamed or whatever it is that guys feel when they want to take another girl but think there will be bad blood with the first girl.

The hot chick and the fat chick are in the same boat. There is no reason to put the one you consider hot on a pedestal and go out of your way to "impress" her by not taking another chick in hopes of keeping GFE-favor alive. It is your money that got you the GFE as a customer, and it can get it for you again.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2072828]And you do not think she will want your baht again in a couple of days? Somehow you keep forgetting their purpose for being there is money; probably the same purpose you have for going to work. Remember it is paid companionship.

To me, one thing that sets Thailand apart is that the girls know what they are. Even still, it seems many mongers do not realize what they are. If you ask a Thai girl what she does then she will say, "I go with man for money." If you send her a message wanting her to come over she has no problem telling you, "I am with customer" if that is exactly what she is doing.

In many of the Latin American countries you will just get the girls avoiding your calls or making up lies if she is with another customer. In those threads you get the bullshit of guys throwing around the term semi-prostitute. Guys and girls pussyfooting around not wanting to admit to each other that she is a hooker when it is obvious if you are giving her money for sex then that is exactly what she is. To me either she is selling ass or she is not. Ain't no in between..[/QUOTE]When will it dawn on some poor souls that the so called GFE is no more than part of the skill set of the girl and not an expression of their feelings for you? For sure some girls are naturally more affectionate and friendlier than others but your experience with her is no different than the experience she has once, twice, three, four times a day with whoever pays for her time. I get it she will consider some customers better company than others usually because they are more generous friendlier funnier and treat her with respect but that's as far as it goes. I would disagree somewhat that Thai girls are upfront and don't lie about what's going on. In my experience over some 20 years they can be just as duplicitous as their counterparts elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2072818]My problem isn't the fat chick that sits next to me. It is the hot girl that sits next to me that I took home 2 days ago and want to take home again in a few days. It's just now I want her friend. Maybe it is as easy as just saying to her not tonight. It doesn't seem like it would work that way if I still want the big GFE again in a couple of days.[/QUOTE]Tell her you are a "butterfly" which means you like to move from girl to girl. Use this term and you will see instant recognition by them.

It also helps her save face, and knowing a little Thai [I]lingo[/I] shows you have been around the block a few times.

SL.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2072816]One caveat to the Golden Rule. You got to have enough gold.[/QUOTE]Yep, no money = no honey.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2072828] When you fully realize the girls in the bar are there to sell ass to you as a customer then you will no longer give a fuck what the girl you took two days ago thinks about you going with a different girl today. You will also be able to return to the first girl to buy ass without feeling ashamed or whatever it is that guys feel when they want to take another girl but think there will be bad blood with the first girl.
[/QUOTE]Yep, and in a couple of days time when you want to see her again, you might walk into the bar when she is leaving wioth another customer. I somehow doubt she will tell the other guy she can no longer go with him because you have just turned up.

I personally can barely remember a girl a couple of days later. Very rarely will I go out searching for one I've had a few nights before. But that's just me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2072828]
The hot chick and the fat chick are in the same boat. There is no reason to put the one you consider hot on a pedestal and go out of your way to "impress" her by not taking another chick in hopes of keeping GFE-favor alive. It is your money that got you the GFE as a customer, and it can get it for you again.[/QUOTE]Yes, the money can get you a GFE again. However hookers are women and women tend to get jealous when they are not the centre of your attention. Some get more jealous than others of course but in my experience as a butterfly the GFE often diminishes when you are also doing her colleagues / friends / family members.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2072953]Yes, the money can get you a GFE again. However hookers are women and women tend to get jealous when they are not the centre of your attention. Some get more jealous than others of course but in my experience as a butterfly the GFE often diminishes when you are also doing her colleagues / friends / family members.[/QUOTE]Or perhaps she will provide a higher level of GFE skills to out due the others (555) and prove to you that she is [I]queen of the mattresses[/I] but as always YMMV.

SL.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;2072794]I will be back in Pattaya early September and just finished reading the last 150 pages of reports.

For Newbies-.

This will be my 9th trip and cumulatively have spent well over 6 months in Pattaya and I STILL went back 150 pages! You guys that read two pages and ask questions are lucky that Banana boi answer you most of the time. Really lucky.

Thank yous all around to BB, Mr. E, Uncle V, the Hawk brothers (Wild and FL), blanquiceleste. There are many more that need to be thanked but I am late for a date in Parque LLeras now and need to cut this short. So apologies to the contributors that I didn't name by name.

I would like to summarize a few things from the last 150 posts-.

-It is 2017 nothing is the same as it was in 2012 or 2005. Get over it. Stop reminiscing, you will have plenty of time for that later when you are in a nursing home. Deal with the cards you are dealt in 2017 and move on.

-It is your vacation or your retirement do what makes you happy. If that means you are a BR freelancer kind of monger, do that then, if you are more into high end a-gogo girls, do that then. Don't worry about what anyone else thinks.

-This whole debate the last 10 pages about Ferraris and prices in Pattaya vs FKK vs Medellin casa. Those comparisons are only relevant when you are sitting at home trying to decide on your next vacation. Once your boots are on the ground, you have to deal with the situation on the ground. That means if agogo club wants 1500 baht BF and girl wants 5000 LT your choice is to either negotiate with her and probably pay close to that or go somewhere else. Whining about the prices of Atlantis in AC are 50% of what I pay in Baccara are senseless, book your ticket to AC.

Now, newbies and specifically Horatio..[/QUOTE]Sound advice. I have read back thru the forums and most of the answers are there. I agree with the philosophy of comparing eras and also locations, deal with what you have. Cash is king and make sure you have sufficient for needs, I know some guys have more then others. It's great that the experienced guys do post but I would love to see more as it heightens my anticipation to my upcoming week in Thailand. I am mystified to how some guys can get attached to the girls but I suppose there are degrees of loneliness that all of us don't understand but being married I don't want another wife but 14+ different pussies to have.

Thanks guys for all the advice and post.

Rob.

Annabelle's was packed last night with all the Windmill girls looking uncomfortable in their new surroundings. Just doesn't have the same raunchy Windmill feel. I believe Windmill is supposed to reopen tomorrow.

For some unknown reason I decided to check out What's Up. Still not a fan of this place. Overpriced drinks. 370 baht for a beer and water.

Was surprised to see Iron Club reopened only days after the fire.

Is it just me or have gogo bars become very tame excluding a couple like Windmill group and Wildcats? Am I the only one who gropes girls, DFK, HJ, etc? Maybe it's just this week as clubs are jammed with Japanese. Some sort of Japanese holiday this week.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2073207]Is it just me or have gogo bars become very tame excluding a couple like Windmill group and Wildcats? Am I the only one who gropes girls, DFK, HJ, etc? Maybe it's just this week as clubs are jammed with Japanese. Some sort of Japanese holiday this week.[/QUOTE]Too many Japanesers. Even got racially abused by one to give it that authentic Japanese feeling.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2073134]Sound advice. I have read back thru the forums and most of the answers are there. I agree with the philosophy of comparing eras and also locations, deal with what you have. Cash is king and make sure you have sufficient for needs, I know some guys have more then others. It's great that the experienced guys do post but I would love to see more as it heightens my anticipation to my upcoming week in Thailand. I am mystified to how some guys can get attached to the girls but I suppose there are degrees of loneliness that all of us don't understand but being married I don't want another wife but 14+ different pussies to have.

Thanks guys for all the advice and post.

Rob.[/QUOTE]Because Thai women are lovely. If I could trust one I'd marry one. Unfortunately you can't trust Thai with anything. Not that they are bad people, some are but they have weird values and morals compared to us.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2073253]Because Thai women are lovely. If I could trust one I'd marry one. Unfortunately you can't trust Thai with anything. Not that they are bad people, some are but they have weird values and morals compared to us.[/QUOTE]Actually some are trustworthy, but they are not the hookers (mostly). To the other guy, continually switching pussies is a good way to experience a lot of sub-standard sessions mixed in with a few really good ones. That is why many of us collect a set of preferred regular girls, enough to get good variety, but to almost always have a superior time on the bed, because collect girls that are happy with the way I fuck, my tools, my payment and the duration is tolerable.

In a long gone era 25 years ago, relatively fewer girls seemed to be duds, or perhaps I was easier to please, or bad memory for dud sessions. However numbers of dick scared girls seems to have risen a lot. I think it is partly due to the rise of the Japanese and other non-Thai Asian customers that were hardly here many years ago.

Perhaps Pattaya is more oriented to the Farang customer, I don't know though.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2073294]Actually some are trustworthy, but they are not the hookers (mostly).[/QUOTE]Why do guys keep confusing prostitute values with everyday people values?

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;2072794]I will be back in Pattaya early September and just finished reading the last 150 pages of reports...
Again thanks to all the contributors, 98% of anything you want to know has already been written here several times fellas, you just have to make the effort.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I think. BUT, that's not even a Pattaya report. That belongs in the general thread. I agree with everything you wrote (but you are just venting right now because of all the dumb posts and dumb questions of the lazy guys).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2072828]And you do not think she will want your baht again in a couple of days? Somehow you keep forgetting their purpose for being there is money; probably the same purpose you have for going to work. Remember it is paid companionship..... The hot chick and the fat chick are in the same boat. There is no reason to put the one you consider hot on a pedestal and go out of your way to "impress" her by not taking another chick in hopes of keeping GFE-favor alive. It is your money that got you the GFE as a customer, and it can get it for you again.[/QUOTE]You can't teach these guys anything. You are correct. It's business (money) transaction and fun for the time paid for. If the girl has a problem with me taking her 'friend' then I would tell her, ok fuck me for free tonight. If she won't fuck me for free, then she isn't that interested in ME. And me, being a player pimp, will fuck her friend right away.

I had plenty of girls over to my condo who would tell me they have a man who sends them money and blah blah blah. I tell them straight up, I don't care about your man, talk to me about your girlfriends and when they can come join us. Then they get all sensitive and jealous. LOL. Then I add, if you have someone sending you money, next time you can boom boom me for free, right? They 'ALL' say but I work for money. Yeah but you have someone sending you money, so I want a free boom boom, said with a smile.

A few weeks ago it happened. The girl stayed until 6 pm. Then she wanted to go home to change and come back. I said sure you can come back tonight. I will pay for dinner and drinks. Then she asked if I can give her some money for her? Huh. Yes, I will pay for dinner and drinks. That's plenty for YOUR time. In other words, she only wanted cash in hand! If that's the case, no need to pay for food and drinks AND then pay her too. Wake up fellas. You are paying for a service. Doesn't mean you need to care about the other crap.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;2072794]-This whole debate the last 10 pages about Ferraris and prices in Pattaya vs FKK vs Medellin casa. Those comparisons are only relevant when you are sitting at home trying to decide on your next vacation. Once your boots are on the ground, you have to deal with the situation on the ground. That means if agogo club wants 1500 baht BF and girl wants 5000 LT your choice is to either negotiate with her and probably pay close to that or go somewhere else. Whining about the prices of Atlantis in AC are 50% of what I pay in Baccara are senseless, book your ticket to AC.

[/QUOTE]I say this in general, as Soldierb understands. Unless you live in Thailand, go on and pay the bucks for a woman you are really hot for. I have more regrets for not paying for a stunner than I have for paying the "outrageous" fee of 5500 baht. Sure, a local might be able to find cheaper or negotiate better, and I can sometimes find a luscious gem on Soi 6 for 1300, but when you are on vacation, time is of the essence. If your cutie won't budge below 5000, and if you really want her, go on and pay it. I mean, how much have you already spent to get to Thailand? Why let an extra $50 kill your happiness? When you go home, hungry for Asian, and all the local AMP has is a 45 year old who want $250 for 10 minutes of FS, you will regret not spending that extra $50 back in Thailand for 2 hours of bliss. And even if you find that hottie online for $300, it will only be for an hour and, again, cost more than what you could have had in LOS.

Take plenty of money with you and have a good time.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2073480]I say this in general, as Soldierb understands. ... I have more regrets for not paying for a stunner than I have for paying the "outrageous" fee of 5500 baht. Sure, a local might be able to find cheaper or negotiate better.... If your cutie won't budge below 5000, and if you really want her, go on and pay it. I mean, how much have you already spent to get to Thailand? Why let an extra $50 kill your happiness?[/QUOTE]Forget that crap. An extra $50? That's more like and extra $100. Paying 5000 baht for a piece of ass in Thailand that only costs 2000 baht max. You guys are killing me. The most I have paid in 6 years is 2000 baht for LT. You guys are adults, so I'm not here to tell you how to spend 'YOUR' money. If you want to spend 5000 for a girl, go ahead. Show me them same girl and I will show you how to get her for 1/2 price. Plus the stunners, are usually the worst in bed.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2073463]Thanks, I think. BUT, that's not even a Pattaya report. That belongs in the general thread. I agree with everything you wrote (but you are just venting right now because of all the dumb posts and dumb questions of the lazy guys).[/QUOTE]Of course it is a thanks. There are about 10 of you guys on this forum that set a good tone with the result being there is more information on this thread then there is on most others. There is also 10% of the drama / bickering / dick measuring that goes on in the other ones. Why? Because the newbies generally follow your lead. I live about 4 months in Colombia and 2 months in Brazil annually but those threads I very rarely read or comment on because of the nature of the thread.

Now to follow on to FL Hawks most recent observation. There is a difference between the tourists such as myself and Hawk vs. The residents such as Mr. E and banana boi. I know for a fact that if Mr. E paid 1000 for a girl I will probably pay 1500. I will also guarantee that the reception I get at agogo clubs will not be the same that BB gets when he strolls in. I know this and accept it. Its sex tourist vs. Long term resident. Likewise in Medellin, there are few people that will get the service / prices that I get. Does that make me the man? No. Does that makes my dick bigger. Hell no. It only means I have put the boots on the ground for a long time there and have built up experience and contacts.

FL Hawks other observation about not paying for something or someone and regretting it. I have a lot of experience seeing people dying, some in the service but much more at my hospital when I was working. Not one person, not one! Has ever told me on their deathbed about a regret stemming from something they did. Everyone always regrets what they didn't do!

So, guys listen if a smoking hot agogo girl quotes you 1000 baht more, don't pass, don't miss out. Take her or one day I will see you on your deathbed and you will tell me "doc, I should've taken that Fon from Baccara she was fucking hot but I lost her over 1000 baht".

I will politely wait until no one is around and then call you a dumbass. Life passes way too quickly. (what you should've done is see if you will accept 500 baht less and then just go. Or pay her 1000 more than you want but negotiate that she doesn't leave until 3 pm and you fuck her at night, in the morning and in the afternoon before she leaves.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2073253]Because Thai women are lovely. If I could trust one I'd marry one. Unfortunately you can't trust Thai with anything. Not that they are bad people, some are but they have weird values and morals compared to us.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of trustworthy Thai women, but you won't find them in brothels. My wife is Indonesian and I didn't meet her in a Bali nightclub, where I would usually pick up my girls, but also we didn't sleep together straight away and it didn't cost me $60 either. She has Thai friends and guess what? They are not hookers and are very loyal and trusty. In the famous words of the philosopher Meatloaf.

You'll never find your gold on a sandy beach.

You'll never drill for oil on a city street.

I know you're looking for a ruby in a mountain of rocks.

But there ain't no Coup de Ville hiding at the bottom.

Of a Cracker Jack box.

Keep that in mind friend if you are looking for love look in the right places.

Thanks Rob.

Anyone sample goods at Tantra Gogo and Runway Gogo? The pics they post on FB are absolutely divine. I am betting Banana Boi has some insight?

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2073488]You guys are adults, so I'm not here to tell you how to spend 'YOUR' money. If you want to spend 5000 for a girl, go ahead. Show me them same girl and I will show you how to get her for 1/2 price. Plus the stunners, are usually the worst in bed.[/QUOTE]Yes you are here to tell others how to spend their money, and be a low price bragger. If that is what makes you feel superior, so be it. We understand very well. We also know that girls come in different qualities, and guys have different levels of stinginess. I am not going to tell other guys how much to spend.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2073480]I say this in general, as Soldierb understands. Unless you live in Thailand, go on and pay the bucks for a woman you are really hot for. I have more regrets for not paying for a stunner than I have for paying the "outrageous" fee of 5500 baht. Sure, a local might be able to find cheaper or negotiate better, and I can sometimes find a luscious gem on Soi 6 for 1300, but when you are on vacation, time is of the essence. If your cutie won't budge below 5000, and if you really want her, go on and pay it. I mean, how much have you already spent to get to Thailand? Why let an extra $50 kill your happiness? When you go home, hungry for Asian, and all the local AMP has is a 45 year old who want $250 for 10 minutes of FS, you will regret not spending that extra $50 back in Thailand for 2 hours of bliss. And even if you find that hottie online for $300, it will only be for an hour and, again, cost more than what you could have had in LOS.

Take plenty of money with you and have a good time.[/QUOTE]Yes this exactly. When I was in Thailand for the first time, the whole point was to have fun. I would spend whatever and was very thrilled that the price was so much cheaper than America. Living here though, it gets old. I'm a jaded monger LOL. I only spend 2000 baht at oillies now, avoid gogos because they are 3 x the price or more (have to buy drinks, st room, barfine and finally pay the girl 3000 baht).

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2073569]Anyone sample goods at Tantra Gogo and Runway Gogo? The pics they post on FB are absolutely divine. I am betting Banana Boi has some insight?[/QUOTE]Why is it called tantra? Are they giving out trantric HJs in there regularly? If so, I may need to swing by soon.

The bottom line for me is if I think the girl is hot I will take her. If she's a 700/1500 baht BR girl or a 3000/5000 baht top tier Walking Street gogo girl, I will take her. Those are the 2017 going rates for a tourist so we're going to pay those rates or pick another girl. I'm pretty sure I can find MANY gogo girls who will go for 2000 baht but they aren't going to be the cream of the crop and ones in demand.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2073207]Maybe it's just this week as clubs are jammed with Japanese. Some sort of Japanese holiday this week.[/QUOTE]Bon holidays. Supposedly to be reunited with the family and honor the ancestors, but I guess many Japanese prefer to get new girl "friends" and be separated from useless money, LOL.

I agree with most of what has been said so far. Historically I've been on the side of Mr E. And PL99, but recently I'm beginning to soften up. I don't feel anymore that paying 2,500 and up is necessarily stupid, mainly because that's what the prevailing market commands for hot pussy. Otherwise 1,000 or 1,500 is enough just for a woman of common looks. At the same time basic rules have not changed, e. G. Very very few stunners are FL, hot young girls will happily go with young men only, etc. This time I've played very quietly, it will be right to be more adventurous the next.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2073527]In the famous words of the philosopher Meatloaf.

You'll never find your gold on a sandy beach.
You'll never drill for oil on a city street.
I know you're looking for a ruby in a mountain of rocks.
But there ain't no Coup de Ville hiding at the bottom.
Of a Cracker Jack box.[/QUOTE]The philosopher Meatloaf? LOL.
He didn't even write those lyrics.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2073294]Actually some are trustworthy, but they are not the hookers (mostly). To the other guy, continually switching pussies is a good way to experience a lot of sub-standard sessions mixed in with a few really good ones. That is why many of us collect a set of preferred regular girls, enough to get good variety, but to almost always have a superior time on the bed, because collect girls that are happy with the way I fuck, my tools, my payment and the duration is tolerable.

In a long gone era 25 years ago, relatively fewer girls seemed to be duds, or perhaps I was easier to please, or bad memory for dud sessions. However numbers of dick scared girls seems to have risen a lot. I think it is partly due to the rise of the Japanese and other non-Thai Asian customers that were hardly here many years ago.

Perhaps Pattaya is more oriented to the Farang customer, I don't know though.[/QUOTE]25 years ago I was just happy to touch boobs.

My only regret was listening to you cunts and not barfining that stunner from BK "because a 2000 barfine is too much", fuck me.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2073569]Anyone sample goods at Tantra Gogo and Runway Gogo? The pics they post on FB are absolutely divine. I am betting Banana Boi has some insight?[/QUOTE]Been in Pattaya for the last 5 nights and just got back from Tantra. I thought it was a fun place and they had a very good lineup. I didn't see where Runway Club is located. IMHO Sapphire has the best lineup in town. Been there three times and have been impressed every visit there. I didn't inquire about barfines or girls prices.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2073488]Forget that crap. An extra $50? That's more like and extra $100. Paying 5000 baht for a piece of ass in Thailand that only costs 2000 baht max. You guys are killing me. The most I have paid in 6 years is 2000 baht for LT. You guys are adults, so I'm not here to tell you how to spend 'YOUR' money. If you want to spend 5000 for a girl, go ahead. Show me them same girl and I will show you how to get her for 1/2 price. Plus the stunners, are usually the worst in bed.
[/QUOTE]I hear you, but it is not always that simple. Though I don't think I have ever actually spent 5000, I have indeed tried to negotiate a lower price a few times and I usually fail. I remember one hottie who wanted 4000 and I tried to get her town to 2500, trying to be cool operator like some of you old timers, and she would not budge. I walked away, and ended up taking home a cheaper, and must less hot, girl. I don't remember who I took home or what I ended up paying, but I remember the hottie I left behind. And the money I saved means nothing to me now. Only the memory means anything, and it isn't so good.

I do agree that the stunners often turn out to be star fish. A couple of stunners I had who left me drooling pretty much just lied there. At the time, I didn't care! When I saw one of them a second time, though, I got bored and never bothered to take her out again. The best places for a GFE for me have been on Soi 6. They are still attractive, but will go crazy with you. I haven't run across a crazy stunner. So, newbies, go ahead and spend the bucks for that hot girl if she is still cheaper than a similar girl back home. You have spent a lot of money to get to LOS, and if $50 or $100 is in your budget for that once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, go for it.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2073699]The philosopher Meatloaf? LOL.
He didn't even write those lyrics.[/QUOTE]Does it matter? I also know he's not a philosopher LOL.

[QUOTE=Allover;2073870]I didn't see where Runway Club is located. [/QUOTE]Likely because it's a tiny club beside Sensations.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2073888]I hear you, but it is not always that simple. Though I don't think I have ever actually spent 5000, I have indeed tried to negotiate a lower price a few times and I usually fail. I remember one hottie who wanted 4000 and I tried to get her town to 2500, trying to be cool operator like some of you old timers, and she would not budge. I walked away, and ended up taking home a cheaper, and must less hot, girl. I don't remember who I took home or what I ended up paying, but I remember the hottie I left behind. And the money I saved means nothing to me now. Only the memory means anything, and it isn't so good.

I do agree that the stunners often turn out to be star fish. A couple of stunners I had who left me drooling pretty much just lied there. At the time, I didn't care! When I saw one of them a second time, though, I got bored and never bothered to take her out again. The best places for a GFE for me have been on Soi 6. They are still attractive, but will go crazy with you. I haven't run across a crazy stunner. So, newbies, go ahead and spend the bucks for that hot girl if she is still cheaper than a similar girl back home. You have spent a lot of money to get to LOS, and if $50 or $100 is in your budget for that once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, go for it.[/QUOTE]Its not 5000 baht for a piece of ass, its 5000 baht for the entire night. Lets say she spend 8 hours with you, then she is only making 625 baht an hour, or $20 an hour, dirt cheap, girls on soi6 are charging 1000 baht for an hour ST. I have had 2500ST last 4 hours. It is all very, very affordable. And you need to consider that Thai hookers are far more charming outside of sex than any western escort.

The one's charging 5k are very well built and usually about 22. They won't be 22 forever. These are their peak earning years; they need to make money. 5k is entirely reasonable. What I get a bit annoyed about is the barfines, drink prices and the frequency with which the bars expect us to buy drinks, combined with the rudeness of their staff. If the staff were polite and friendly and weren't pushing you for another drink after 5 minutes I'd be a bit more accepting of the prices, but right now I just don't want to set foot into a GoGo. They fill me with rage.

I could easily end up spending 500 on drinks plus 2k on barfine and then the girl only ends up with 5k, so 7.5k in total with 2.5k going to the bar ! The bar isn't sucking my dick !

Other than that I feel it is a bit disrespectful, with current Thai prices, to expect a top of the line girl to go LT for 2.5k. Thailand is expensive. The girls are humans too and are doing this to make money. 5k isn't a lot in the scheme of things, just pay her.

If the bar staff were polite and treated customers with the respect and going to the bar was a good experience, that such high drink prices should command then I'd be happy. The girls really should be nude and doing sex shows for those prices.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2073912]Its not 5000 baht for a piece of ass, its 5000 baht for the entire night. [/QUOTE]Depends on the place you are talking about. That Whats Up place is way more than 5000 for the entire night.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2073912]Its not 5000 baht for a piece of ass, its 5000 baht for the entire night. Lets say she spend 8 hours with you, then she is only making 625 baht an hour, or $20 an hour, dirt cheap, girls on soi6 are charging 1000 baht for an hour ST. I have had 2500ST last 4 hours. It is all very, very affordable. And you need to consider that Thai hookers are far more charming outside of sex than any western escort.

The one's charging 5k are very well built and usually about 22. They won't be 22 forever. These are their peak earning years; they need to make money. 5k is entirely reasonable. What I get a bit annoyed about is the barfines, drink prices and the frequency with which the bars expect us to buy drinks, combined with the rudeness of their staff. If the staff were polite and friendly and weren't pushing you for another drink after 5 minutes I'd be a bit more accepting of the prices, but right now I just don't want to set foot into a GoGo. They fill me with rage.

I could easily end up spending 500 on drinks plus 2k on barfine and then the girl only ends up with 5k, so 7.5k in total with 2.5k going to the bar ! The bar isn't sucking my dick !

Other than that I feel it is a bit disrespectful, with current Thai prices, to expect a top of the line girl to go LT for 2.5k. Thailand is expensive. The girls are humans too and are doing this to make money. 5k isn't a lot in the scheme of things, just pay her.

If the bar staff were polite and treated customers with the respect and going to the bar was a good experience, that such high drink prices should command then I'd be happy. The girls really should be nude and doing sex shows for those prices.[/QUOTE]Good logic. If you go into a go-go intent on taking the cream of the crop, best to do it quickly and take her for drinks at a more reasonable bar for her drinks. Even better is to get the girl close to closing time. So she can't go back to the bar. She will be inclined to stay with you longer into the morning. JMHO.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2074005]Even better is to get the girl close to closing time. So she can't go back to the bar. She will be inclined to stay with you longer into the morning. JMHO.[/QUOTE]Or she just may be inclined to go home, or to the disco. Back to the bar or stay with you are not her only options.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2073898]Likely because it's a tiny club beside Sensations.[/QUOTE]Correct, it is the club right next door to Sensation, but the actually name isn't Runway, the sign refers to Runway girls but I believe the club name is Nui's Go Go, it could also be they haven't removed the old sign Nui's, and the actual future name is Runway?

Runway is the current name. It was named Nui's a couple of years ago.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2074064]Or she just may be inclined to go home, or to the disco. Back to the bar or stay with you are not her only options.[/QUOTE]Mama sick must go take care.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2074252]Correct, it is the club right next door to Sensation, but the actually name isn't Runway, the sign refers to Runway girls but I believe the club name is Nui's Go Go, it could also be they haven't removed the old sign Nui's, and the actual future name is Runway?[/QUOTE]I did see a Nui's sign near Sensations a few nights ago. I will stop in there before I leave town.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2074265]Runway is the current name. It was named Nui's a couple of years ago.[/QUOTE]Funny, maybe that is the reason I never stepped into the place for a number of years? Never really look close enough to realized it? Still can't on the surface I walked by last light and saw Nui's as usually the new owner? When can't even take the time to remove the old logo instead just place up two banners that doesn't even cover the old sign?

I remember Nui's go go, around 2000, a former dancer little stunner that work at Happy Go Go, hit the lottery with a customer, got married, and the new husband purchased the place for her. Not sure if the place was already named Nui's or she renamed it Nui's 2? I visited the place after I found out from a girlfriend still working at Happy told me of her fortune, I visited thinking she might be the mamasan but didn't see her.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;2073498]Of course it is a thanks. There are about 10 of you guys on this forum that set a good tone with the result being there is more information on this thread then there is on most others. There is also 10% of the drama / bickering / dick measuring that goes on in the other ones. Why? Because the newbies generally follow your lead. I live about 4 months in Colombia and 2 months in Brazil annually but those threads I very rarely read or comment on because of the nature of the thread.

Now to follow on to FL Hawks most recent observation. There is a difference between the tourists such as myself and Hawk vs. The residents such as Mr. E and banana boi. I know for a fact that if Mr. E paid 1000 for a girl I will probably pay 1500. I will also guarantee that the reception I get at agogo clubs will not be the same that BB gets when he strolls in. I know this and accept it. Its sex tourist vs. Long term resident. Likewise in Medellin, there are few people that will get the service / prices that I get. Does that make me the man? No. Does that makes my dick bigger. Hell no. It only means I have put the boots on the ground for a long time there and have built up experience and contacts.

FL Hawks other observation about not paying for something or someone and regretting it. I have a lot of experience seeing people dying, some in the service but much more at my hospital when I was working. Not one person, not one! Has ever told me on their deathbed about a regret stemming from something they did. Everyone always regrets what they didn't do!

So, guys listen if a smoking hot agogo girl quotes you 1000 baht more, don't pass, don't miss out. Take her or one day I will see you on your deathbed and you will tell me "doc, I should've taken that Fon from Baccara she was fucking hot but I lost her over 1000 baht".

I will politely wait until no one is around and then call you a dumbass. Life passes way too quickly. (what you should've done is see if you will accept 500 baht less and then just go. Or pay her 1000 more than you want but negotiate that she doesn't leave until 3 pm and you fuck her at night, in the morning and in the afternoon before she leaves.[/QUOTE]In this case, you are putting TOO much emphasis on pussy. Maybe some guys aren't getting enough snatch. Or maybe you have money to blow and are wasteful. I'm not even going to ask you why or guess. But I know how much pussy costs here in Pattaya. More guys need to read the forum and get educated. Doesn't matter If I live here for 9 months a year or only come for 1 month. I'm not going to pay 5000 for ass that I KNOW I can have for 1200 or 1500.

When I'm in the USA, gas costs $3. 15 a gallon for super unleaded. If they tell me THEY want $10.00 a gallon, I will go to another place (woman). I'm not paying that price. Period!

Plus the big kicker. For everyone else reading, even though you pay 5000 baht, doesn't mean you are going to have a great session. You pay a huge price tag and get lame service, then what??

You will say, Well I was on vacation so I just paid what she wanted.

My point is, you don't need to pay that much.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2073623]Yes you are here to tell others how to spend their money, and be a low price bragger. If that is what makes you feel superior, so be it. We understand very well. We also know that girls come in different qualities, and guys have different levels of stinginess. I am not going to tell other guys how much to spend.[/QUOTE]So you figured it out good for you. Go ahead and pay 5 k for a 2 K hooker. Good luck with that old man. I'm just stating the facts. You have been in Thailand long enough to know. Therefore you should know better. Key word is 'should'.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2074577]So you figured it out good for you. Go ahead and pay 5 k for a 2 K hooker.[/QUOTE]When you claim that the GoGo 5 K stunner is the same as the 2 K FL of medium-good looks, you're lying not only to others but to yourself primarily. I'm talking about aesthetics only, then who's good in bed is another story.

MrMan has a good point, it's an obvious one, it can be ignored, but it's true and always has been.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2074575]When I'm in the USA, gas costs $3. 15 a gallon for super unleaded. If they tell me THEY want $10.00 a gallon, I will go to another place (woman). I'm not paying that price. Period![/QUOTE]Yeah, but when you sit down and have a few beers with the chick and she is rubbing on your dick and whispering sweet nothings you might jump at the $10/ gallon. I guess a lot of guys get their heart set on a particular girl. Since it is in my nature to butterfly around anyway, I have no problem stepping to another woman if that one says something that I do not like.

Another method that I use but never see anyone talk about is to negotiate as soon as you see the girl and before you get your dick set on her. Call her over and ask how much bar fine and how much for her. If she says 2500 you say that is too much and tell her 1500 is better. If she agrees to your lower price (still not agreeing to take her) then have some drinks with her and see how she warms up to you. This way you are not handing your wallet over to your dick as with the more common method of getting the price after your dick is already hard.

Some say they do not like to negotiate because it kills the vibe or mood. With the method I described you have already done your negotiation before you establish a vibe or mood.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2074623]Yeah, but when you sit down and have a few beers with the chick and she is rubbing on your dick and whispering sweet nothings you might jump at the $10/ gallon. I guess a lot of guys get their heart set on a particular girl[/QUOTE]Not going to happen with me, or you for that matter. Who are you kidding? So if the girl starts rubbing your cock, you are going to agree to a 300% mark up, knowing full well that you can have another one (just as good looking) for less. That's not going to happen.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2074623]Another method that I use but never see anyone talk about is to negotiate as soon as you see the girl and before you get your dick set on her. Call her over and ask how much bar fine and how much for her. If she says 2500 you say that is too much and tell her 1500 is better. If she agrees to your lower price (still not agreeing to take her) then have some drinks with her and see how she warms up to you. [/QUOTE]

Sounds good in theory, but I don't think I could pull it off.

Getting a vendor to agree on your price, and then backing out is a huge faux-pas when bargaining (unless you discover at the last minute that something [I]obvious[/I] is wrong with the goods). If you don't name the price, it's OK to back out on any or no pretext, but if you offer 1500 and she agrees to your price, backing out of the deal requires a solid excuse to avoid being offensive.

I presume this is why you don't see people talking about this method -- it's one of those implicit social things that most people feel is off limits.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2074623]Another method that I use but never see anyone talk about is to negotiate as soon as you see the girl and before you get your dick set on her. Call her over and ask how much bar fine and how much for her. If she says 2500 you say that is too much and tell her 1500 is better. If she agrees to your lower price (still not agreeing to take her) then have some drinks with her and see how she warms up to you. This way you are not handing your wallet over to your dick as with the more common method of getting the price after your dick is already hard.

Some say they do not like to negotiate because it kills the vibe or mood. With the method I described you have already done your negotiation before you establish a vibe or mood.[/QUOTE]I see what you mean and to a certain extent it makes "business" sense, but I have to agree with Crocodilexp that it is something of a faux pas.

Plus there are other factors involved that could let you bargain down the price, like how well you get along with the girl. There have been a couple of times where a girl told me that I don't have to pay barfine if I don't mind coming back after she's done with work, which in itself saves you 500-700 baht, but I guess that depends on how randy you are and if you can wait until 2 am haha.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2074669]Sounds good in theory, but I don't think I could pull it off.

Getting a vendor to agree on your price, and then backing out is a huge faux-pas when bargaining (unless you discover at the last minute that something [I]obvious[/I] is wrong with the goods). If you don't name the price, it's OK to back out on any or no pretext, but if you offer 1500 and she agrees to your price, backing out of the deal requires a solid excuse to avoid being offensive.

I presume this is why you don't see people talking about this method -- it's one of those implicit social things that most people feel is off limits.[/QUOTE]Like I said you are not agreeing to take her. You are not saying I will give you 1500 and you come with me. It is all in how you word it.

She says 2500, you can say things like:

1. Why you do not like 1500?
2. I think many men can give you 1500 and you will be happy.
3. I think 1500 better for you.
4. If 2500 then you will be too rich. You only need 1500.

That is where having game comes into play. You have to tailor it to the situation at hand. You are not getting her to agree to your price as much as you are seeing if she will come down from the first price that everyone who comes in the door gets told.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2074705] You are not getting her to agree to your price as much as you are seeing if she will come down from the first price that everyone who comes in the door gets told.[/QUOTE]But, I already know any and every lady will come down from whatever price most guys coming in the door are told. I already know she might say it is free for you tonight, depending on the circumstances and the man. That would be true of any woman even if she insists that will never happen. Just as well as I know there are activities she will or will not engage in depending on the circumstances and the man. As such, asking her for the sake of casual curiosity tells me nothing. The moment of truth comes when she wants or needs you as a customer and you are horny for her and ready to go if the terms are suitable.

Maybe there is some side advantage to engaging in this theoretical negotiation ahead of that moment that I haven't thought of yet. But for now I still think I will work my best deal on the money and the performance delivered when I really mean what I am saying and am fully prepared to either accept right here and now if the terms are right for me or walk if they are not. No bluffing, no casual curiosity, no theoretical negotiation. I think the lady knows when you really mean what you are asking for and offering or not and this method appears to be announcing with a megaphone that you really don't. Consequently, I wouldn't put much stock in whatever responses she gives me.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2074575]I'm not going to pay 5000 for ass that I KNOW I can have for 1200 or 1500.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2074606]When you claim that the GoGo 5 K stunner is the same as the 2 K FL of medium-good looks, you're lying not only to others but to yourself primarily. I'm talking about aesthetics only, then who's good in bed is another story.[/QUOTE]Exactly Old New Guy, you hit the nail on the head.

Pipe Layer, please let us know how you can get that same agogo girl who quotes you 5000 for only 1200 or 1500.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2074606]When you claim that the GoGo 5 K stunner is the same as the 2 K FL of medium-good looks, you're lying not only to others but to yourself primarily. I'm talking about aesthetics only, then who's good in bed is another story....[/QUOTE]Looks only is 'ONLY' part of the package. If she is pretty with a nice ass, but no tits, her value / price just dropped a whole lot. If she is pretty but has sort of stuck up attitude, do you still want her? I don't think so.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2074736]Exactly Old New Guy, you hit the nail on the head.
Pipe Layer, please let us know how you can get that same agogo girl who quotes you 5000 for only 1200 or 1500.[/QUOTE]It's been done already. One of the perks of being here for a long time vs being a vacation guy. I have been living here for over 4 years. The girls see you more often and get to know you. Take their number and flirt a little bit from time to time. It will happen soon enough.

On a separate note, I haven't found a single girl yet that I would even consider giving 5000 baht for a one nighter. That's just me.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2074636]Not going to happen with me, or you for that matter. Who are you kidding? So if the girl starts rubbing your cock, you are going to agree to a 300% mark up, knowing full well that you can have another one (just as good looking) for less. That's not going to happen.[/QUOTE]I do not mean you and me in particular. I mean the average mf. Most guys look at it as the girl is doing them a favor by letting them fuck so they have no problem giving what is asked, and in some cases consider it a bargain. You and I look at it as we are trying to do them a favor and put some money in their pocket so they should think hard about taking what is on offer. (Plus we are not bad guys so they are sure to have a decent time with us.) And if she does not accept it then it is off to the next that will, because we do not get set on having a particular girl.

I do not think it has much to do with how long you have been in a place as much as it has to do with your ability to talk shit. When I go to Cuba in a couple of days (a place that I have never been in my life), I am going to operate the same way I would in a place that I have been to 1000 times. (The guys that are breaking me in go all the time and said that chicks go from 30 to 100. That means my plan is to get them for 20!) Although like you said, if they are familiar with you they will know from the beginning that they can't treat you like the average tourist; meaning tell you some high ass price.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2074941]It's been done already. One of the perks of being here for a long time vs being a vacation guy. I have been living here for over 4 years. The girls see you more often and get to know you. Take their number and flirt a little bit from time to time. It will happen soon enough.[/QUOTE]Now you are finally making an important distinction between guys like you who are living there and vacation guys who are only there for a few weeks or even a few days.
Not mentioning this distinction is often blurring this discussion because the vacation guys (the majority on this board) might think it should be able for them too to get the top agogo girls for a much lower price.

Do they allow people with shorts or flip flops?

Is there any attire requirement for entry into these night clubs? Do they allow people with shorts and crocs?

[QUOTE=TempStories;2075233]Is there any attire requirement for entry into these night clubs? Do they allow people with shorts and crocs?[/QUOTE]

I wore shorts to iBar and insomnia a few months ago with no issues

[QUOTE=TempStories;2075079]Do they allow people with shorts or flip flops?[/QUOTE]That is usually what I wear. For some reason once in 808 the bouncer at the door would not let me in with flip flops. I showed him my Thai license and told him that I come all the time. I even threw the owner's name out at him. He still would not let me in though.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2074941] One of the perks of being here for a long time vs being a vacation guy. I have been living here for over 4 years. The girls see you more often and get to know you. Take their number and flirt a little bit from time to time. It will happen soon enough.[/QUOTE]OK now I understand where you are coming from. Prices are not the same for us who reside in Pattaya. However, I don't post about the numerous freebies or going out with a top gogo girl for the amount of her barfine or maybe 1000 baht to her mainly because it's not applicable to the average tourist reader on this site. I also consider it to be a form of bragging. It is true when you become a known face who has a good reputation there are many perks with the girls.

[QUOTE=TempStories;2075233]Is there any attire requirement for entry into these night clubs? Do they allow people with shorts and crocs?[/QUOTE]Guys wear wife beater shirts in Pattaya and then wonder why they aren't getting the attention some others do. Girls notice how you dress. Personally, if I go to a club like Hollywood I dress like I would to a club in America or Europe.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2074575]

When I'm in the USA, gas costs $3. 15 a gallon for super unleaded. If they tell me THEY want $10.00 a gallon, I will go to another place (woman). I'm not paying that price. Period!

[/QUOTE]When I am in the US, the equivalent of that 5000 baht Thai stunner will cost me 5 to 10 times as much!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2075289]Girls notice how you dress. Personally, if I go to a club like Hollywood I dress like I would to a club in America or Europe.[/QUOTE]Crap, now I have to redo my entire packing list for my Pattaya trip this Fall. You're killing me!

Ok, let's say that I'm dressed EXACTLY like this guy: [URL]https://goo.gl/2m6RgF[/URL] (ok, let's maybe pretend he's 10 years older too).

That's not going to fly?

Would that guy still be barred from some clubs with exactly that outfit? Or is it mainly the wife beater / flip-flop combination that is the problem here?

I only ask because I've watched tons of YouTube videos of Walking Street and there are tons and tons of guys wearing essentially something like that in the evening. Ok, not all, but many wear something like that or even less nice than that outfit. I was hoping to not have to pack a bunch of jeans in my suitcase.

I mean, let's face it -- it's just hot in Pattaya. Who wants to suffer from a case of hot, sweaty balls?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2073932]Depends on the place you are talking about. That Whats Up place is way more than 5000 for the entire night.[/QUOTE]Pipe Layer could get her down to 2000! .

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2075404]Pipe Layer could get her down to 2000! .[/QUOTE]Haha. Good one! Yeah, Pipe Layer could totally get her down to 2000 -- unless she is in high demand and won't go with him for that amount -- in which case Pipe Layer has already decided, "Well, I didn't want that one anyways! So there!

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2074935]Like I said, then to heck with her. A girl like that is not high demand for me. I will get another one.[/QUOTE]If I played these semantic games, I could claim things like, "Every girl on the planet (except the ugly ones) wants to go to bed with me" (but carefully define "ugly girl" as all the girls who don't want to go to bed with me). Yes, if you carefully play these semantic games, then yes, one can make quite grand claims!

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2075402]I mean, let's face it -- it's just hot in Pattaya. Who wants to suffer from a case of hot, sweaty balls?[/QUOTE]Who cares what you see people wearing on youtube. You also see youtube videos of guys dressed like that getting the crap beat out of them, so that is no indicator of class or brains. Lightweight Chinos are cooler than jeans and look nicer, while being less bulky when you pack.

Nice light shirts, get the thinnest material you can and stay away from those knit polos, no matter how nice they look. Old Navy is good for that, because its cheap fabric but it looks stylish, and that cheap fabric is the thinnest. Trust me on this one as I did this last fall.

Use talc or baby powder around your privates and other sweaty places. It works. Just dust yourself with it generously after you shower and before you get dressed and go out.

UH, the link you posted for clothing is absolutely fine for Walking Street and bars like iBar / Insomnia, Red Car, etc. Like I said guys wear wife beaters to these places. Personally, I wouldn't but that will be up to you. Hollywood is a real night club located off the tourist area far from Walking Street.

Shorts are the norm in a gogo bar on WS and LK Metro.

Pattaya is not usually hot at 2 am in the morning when iBar gets going, especially closer to high season.

LOL 200 bucks and a hot 22 year old girl will spend the night with you? Cheap as chips imo.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2075427]UH, the link you posted for clothing is absolutely fine for Walking Street and bars like iBar / Insomnia, Red Car, etc. Like I said guys wear wife beaters to these places. Personally, I wouldn't but that will be up to you. Hollywood is a real night club located off the tourist area far from Walking Street.

Shorts are the norm in a gogo bar on WS and LK Metro.

Pattaya is not usually hot at 2 am in the morning when iBar gets going, especially closer to high season.[/QUOTE]When girl goes to work and dances around naked on a stage; trying to find a dirty old man to take her home for the night, I don't think she is overly concerned with his clothes. More importantly that you're clean and don't look or smell offensive.

Dear Monngers: I will be in thailand in first week of September and will be spending 3 nights in Pattaya. I ran through the post in the forum and below looks like possibe options for CIS girls:

1) Mixx.

2) Insomnia.

3) Nasha Bar.

Can someone confirm and suggest any other options? Also hat is LT rates are in recent times.

Thanks,

Harsh10: I am planning trip in 1st week of September to Pattay. What is best place to pick up russian girls. I am fine hatever the budget is.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Harsh10;2037601]Well they quote 6000 THB FN. Till you reach your hotel room the half night is over. So see to it you leave bar earlr or there is always place for bargain.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

Cool Mumbai: Are there any options for russians apart from Nasha?

[QUOTE=CoolMumbai;2064280]Hello friends,

Bit late, but here is my 2nd part of my trip.

I think this will be more useful for Indian guys as I have certainly observed that different things and different setup works for different races.

Thaifriendly. Avoid it. It takes lot of time to prearrange and not guaranteed. Lot of better options available in front of eyes.

Beach road freelances. I was bit skeptical after going through some reports regarding quality and safety. But this option is far better. Particularly on weekend nights. I was impressed by the sheer number of girls available on Saturday night with some absolute stunners. Weekday nights are not that great but one can still find a gem. Trick is grab the girl once you like her and the vibes between you 2 are good. I messed up on Saturday night as I could not decide which to take. Sometimes too many good options are also spoil things as one tend to think lets find better one By the time we are back, earlier girl is taken!

Best option for desis is Nasha and Tonys.

Both these clubs play total Bollywood songs. Almost all males are Indians. So the girls coming to these joints are definitely comfortable with and ready to go with Indians.

Nasha. Lot of Russians (or from adjacent countries). However these are the girls who are beyond their prime time. I found most of them are leftovers from gulf countries. Once rich sheikhs drill them fully and they put some wights, past prime time, they shift to India and maybe Thailand. In Nasha, you have to be proactive and ask the girl. Most will just stand there waiting for you. Around 4 K full night.

Tonys. More Thai girls here and bit more interactive. Girls will hit you continuously. Around 2.5-3 k full night.

So my suggestion for desi boys is explore Nasha and tony along with beach road freelancers. You have more on your platter than you can eat.

Daytime I explored soapies, Soi 6, DD. Nights Nasha Tony BR.

One should have around 8 k per day for mongering purpose to have good time.

Also no need to do lot of research, just land in Pattaya. The place will guide you itself. Even after spending time in Pattaya somebody is not happy, no place in world can make you happy.

And please don't be rude and cheap charlie. By paying girl or joint, we are not owing them! We can be better travelers too. I personally felt bad seeing behavior of some of our fellas.

Enjoy and have a blast.[/QUOTE]

Hey!

I will be in Pattaya from the 3rd to the 5th of September. I'd also like to know if we could get Indian, Nepali girls in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Robinsmart;2075620]Dear Monngers: I will be in thailand in first week of September and will be spending 3 nights in Pattaya. I ran through the post in the forum and below looks like possibe options for CIS girls:

1) Mixx.

2) Insomnia.

3) Nasha Bar.

Can someone confirm and suggest any other options? Also hat is LT rates are in recent times.

Thanks,[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JSaint;2075847]Hey!

I will be in Pattaya from the 3rd to the 5th of September. I'd also like to know if we could get Indian, Nepali girls in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Why do you want to waste your money on airfare and hotel if you want to hunt Indian or Nepali girls? Stay in India where you can get plenty of them. I have never really looked hard but there are a few Indian girls in Pattaya but the quality is crap. I would also advise not to take a Russian girl as most of them are past their prime and not worth the money they ask. You get better quality in Mumbai or Delhi. If you really want good Russians go to Moscow or Dubai.

[QUOTE=CoolMumbai;2064280]
Beach road freelances... Particularly on weekend nights. I was impressed by the sheer number of girls available on Saturday night with some absolute stunners. Weekday nights are not that great but one can still find a gem.
[/QUOTE]Personally, in almost a decade of Beach Road mongering, I never noticed much of a difference between weekday and weekend nights. Beach Road freelancers are either always there (most of them), or when they need money regardless of the day. There have been fewer and fewer part-timers over the years, especially after the reconstruction of Beach Road to remove most of the benches.

Is there really a difference between weekend and weekday nights on Beach Road? Did I simply fail to notice it? Can any other senior monger chip in?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2076102]Personally, in almost a decade of Beach Road mongering, I never noticed much of a difference between weekday and weekend nights. Beach Road freelancers are either always there (most of them), or when they need money regardless of the day. There have been fewer and fewer part-timers over the years, especially after the reconstruction of Beach Road to remove most of the benches.

Is there really a difference between weekend and weekday nights on Beach Road? Did I simply fail to notice it? Can any other senior monger chip in?[/QUOTE]Yes, generally speaking there's a difference. The sheer number and quality is usually higher in the weekends. But not always.

Thanks for your reply. I am not from India so that is why the need to try some. Plus Nepali girls are really hot! Anyways, I will stay away from Russians like you mentioned.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;2076029]Why do you want to waste your money on airfare and hotel if you want to hunt Indian or Nepali girls? Stay in India where you can get plenty of them. I have never really looked hard but there are a few Indian girls in Pattaya but the quality is crap. I would also advise not to take a Russian girl as most of them are past their prime and not worth the money they ask. You get better quality in Mumbai or Delhi. If you really want good Russians go to Moscow or Dubai.[/QUOTE]

Yes, there are some bars on Walking street where some guys were soliciting bypassers for exclusive Russian bars. I didn't tried. Just have few rounds of Walking street, Beach road, soi6. You will figure out everything without any help. Its so much on your face.

[QUOTE=Robinsmart;2075624]Cool Mumbai: Are there any options for russians apart from Nasha?[/QUOTE]

The main difference in numbers is the time of night. At 7. 30 pm there are not so many FLs around but by 9 pm or 10 pm there are a lot more. I counted 150 working ladies between the Walking Street end of Beach Rd and Mike Shopping a few months ago around 9 pm.

Based on my visit in phuket these russian exclusive are rip offs. The same is reports on this forum and other blogs. So will stick insomnia mix tony and nasha. Will report. Ack to forum in case I find something diffrrent.

[QUOTE=CoolMumbai;2076246]Yes, there are some bars on Walking street where some guys were soliciting bypassers for exclusive Russian bars. I didn't tried. Just have few rounds of Walking street, Beach road, soi6. You will figure out everything without any help. Its so much on your face.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Franga;2076253]The main difference in numbers is the time of night. At 7. 30 pm there are not so many FLs around but by 9 pm or 10 pm there are a lot more. I counted 150 working ladies between the Walking Street end of Beach Rd and Mike Shopping a few months ago around 9 pm.[/QUOTE]Yes, I noticed that. These days, Beach Road girls are generally available from 19.30-01.30 (I think police do their rounds at 2), there are very few outside those hours. The peak is from 21-23 h.

Several years ago, the time slice for Beach Road was much wider, from early afternoon until very late night, maybe 15.30-04.00. There were also more part-timers, normal clean girls who'd occasionally hang out there and be available. Before the reconstruction, there was ample seating and shade, so it was a good place to hang out anyway. Now it's mostly the hardcore hookers who don't mind standing for several hours and go there regularly.

IMO the Russians and indeed most East Europeans are world-class sophisticated super scammers. Why anyone would want one when they are in the Land of Thai Pussy Heaven is beyond me.

[QUOTE=Robinsmart;2076280]Based on my visit in phuket these russian exclusive are rip offs. The same is reports on this forum and other blogs. So will stick insomnia mix tony and nasha. Will report. Ack to forum in case I find something diffrrent.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DCups;2076313]IMO the Russians and indeed most East Europeans are world-class sophisticated super scammers. Why anyone would want one when they are in the Land of Thai Pussy Heaven is beyond me.[/QUOTE]True. Russian exclusive bars are super rip off bars. They have a mandatory tip rule. Those bars will have one or two poles at the centre and the girls will perform pole dance for 1 or 2 minutes. And we need to tip those dancers after every dance. The drinks are costly compared to other bars. The private room is another scam where they charge 2000 to 2500 THB for 15 minutes of full nude dance. You can get a thai lady for LT for that charge.

Does anyone know when is the best time of day to go to the G clubs on the Dark Side? Pacha, Kik, Booze, etc. ?

[QUOTE=DCups;2076313]IMO the Russians and indeed most East Europeans are world-class sophisticated super scammers. Why anyone would want one when they are in the Land of Thai Pussy Heaven is beyond me.[/QUOTE]The only reason can be those guys can't get to EE for many reasons.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2076358]Does anyone know when is the best time of day to go to the G clubs on the Dark Side? Pacha, Kik, Booze, etc. ?[/QUOTE]For what I know some clubs in the Dark Side are more day time club other are more evening / night time maybe try to go there around 4 or 5 pm and start with the first bar on your list. Probably the best day is when the clubs have some party with buffet and more girls in the line up. Easy to waste time in the Dark Side if you aren't regular there and don't know which clubs have better girls / lineup, we know how things change fast in Pattaya so one day a bar can have a very bad lineup and after a month can have a couple of nice girls. The DS is huge and bars are scattered around. So my advice is to choose some clubs that are almost near, go and try your luck.

Thanks Christian. I visited around 4 or 5 pm and it was pretty dead. Maybe I was just expecting more. Booze Lounge was the only one with more than 10 girls. Bought a drink for one of the girls and received no action at all. A first for me in a G club.

Hi,

We will be in Pattaya from next week. How's the weather now, is it raining badly? I am more of a gogo bar hopping guy, but if it rains then it might not be possible. How's the FL scene if it rains? Where is the best place to find girls if it rains be badly.

Landed there. Wen to Soi 6, Rasputin, Honey 2, Sabai Dee around 1 pm. Honey 2 had best selection and was tempted to pick up one girl who was eyeing me a lot. But her price was 3 k so was not sure. Thought will go back to Soi 6 once more and if I don't find anything, will take this one.

Went to one bar in middle of Soi 6 and found a cute looking young girl. Went and tapped her. Her name was Annie and she was 22 yr old. I like less experienced but young looking girls with full body (thin waist, good ass and firm bust). Went into the room. She had done accounting in Bangkok, wants to start investing, elder brother drinks a lot and she was in pattaya to earn some money for few months. Well conversant in English. Apparently have landed in this business 1 week back. I was excited hearing that she is only 1 week old in the system, always fun training the young ones. She was shy to take bath with me. I insisted and she agreed. Again shy to take her clothes in front of me. Finally got into shower with her. Rubbed myself against her perky though small boobs, kissed her neck and had one finger deep in her ass and one in her pussy. We finally came out. She wanted to switch off the light for which I refused. Went down to sucking her boobs and neck. Most of younger girls have hard boobs which I like. After 10 min of me sucking her boobs, asked her to suck me. She got on her knees on the bed between my legs and did amazing tricks with her mouth on my dick (BBBJ only). In mirror on other wall, I could see her asshole and pussy. Her ass is one of the better ones I have seen. I was getting excited just seeing that. I held and deep throat her. She was gasping for air. Finally after 15 or so min, started banging her in multiple positions. Got lot of DFK. Me biting her tongue, she sucking my tongue and dragging it out from my mouth. In between got out 2-3 times and took more of her classic BJs. Got her on knees and started fucking her with my whole body virtually on her (my legs were almost in air! In between, tried getting inside her ass but she refused. That was the only negative of the experience since I thought that she might agree given that she is still new. Finally after 1 HR, came inside the rubber. Her neck was all red (not love bites) after the session. She said she is ok meeting me in Bangkok. Took her number as well. Total 1300 damage and came out satisfied.

After long nap, went out to LK Metro around 7 pm. Most go go were just getting started. In Devil Den, one Indian was drunk and fighting with the owner over massage fees. Came out and walked to Walking Street. Around 8 pm, sat in Windmill and was surprised to see all the raunchy action going on. Anyways, I was here only passing time. I do not like picking gogo girls. Thought will wait till midnight to pick a girl from one of dance discs. Roamed around and had some food. Took a beer and played games with a another full bodied girl in Frog beer garden. By 9:30 pm, realized that I do not have energy left to stay awake till midnight. Walked to soi 6 again thinking of meeting Annie once more. Found her but I think she was looking for firangs at that time so did not pay much attention to me. I was disappointed. Walked to Sky bar and found another full bodied girl called Tik. This was the find of Thailand for me. Paid and went to the room. Took separate showers. Once inside, started sucking her firm boobs. Not sure what happened (may be previous customer did not satisfy her), she jumped on me like my long lost girlfriend. I have never seen a girl so forthcoming (and I have sampled few hundreds of them). She took me in her mouth and kept on doing whatever I asked her to. She was having trouble deep throating but tried it several times since I asked her to. I did not want to finish in her mouth so mounted her in missionary position. She came twice in 1st 15 min of banging. Took another good round of BJ. She has no qualms taking me bareback in her mouth despite condom smell etc. Took her doggy style. Wanted to tap her ass. She resisted initially saying she has never done it. But finally agreed. There was no cream in the room. So lubricated with whatever saliva I could produce. After 2 condoms and few tries, I was hard and deep inside her ass. She was moaning, not sure because of pain or pleasure. Anyways started slow but want into medium pace few min later. She must come once more with me inside her ass, another 1st for me. Never have seen girl coming while doing anal sex. I spurted inside condom few times. When I felt I may come fully, got myself out and took another round of BJ from her. Now got into her ass in missionary position and banged her fast. She kept on muttering "I love you" in thai. Finally her ass was losing up, which I do not like. In the next round of BJ, came deep inside her mouth. She more or less swallowed it. She came and rested her face against my shoulder. I was still not limp so asked her to suck me again. She did that for few min till we heard banging on the door that time was seriously up. We came out and took showers. Her English is non-existent. I wanted to meet her next day in my room. She thought I wanted to meet her once she is done for the night. I came back in room midnight and crashed. Had few messages from her on my phone around 1:30 am wanting to meet me. Anyways. Tried calling her in morning but looks like she is sleeping. Leaving pattaya now. So will not get to see her again (sigh). She is all yours guys.

Just came back from my last visit to Thailand. As the title says, many things changes.

I was a big lover of Pattaya. It just had the perfect combination of sleeziness and quality for me. Of course, it's not for everyone.

Before things were quite simple: there was something for every taste, from expensive (but still decent) Go go girls to FL on Beach Road on the other price range end.

I will not go into details too much, but I didn't spend too much time in Patts this time because it just made me sad. The place is a dump.

I am (was?) a big fan of BR girls. That's just my personal taste, so spare me the lecture. It's not about the price, it's about finding a fresh-off-the-farm one which was easier on the beach than in a Go go.

The quality of tourist decreased a lot in the last years (it's not a racist remark) and that influenced the quality / behaviour of girls. Before you could really find ' gems in the mud ' on BR, now they are all hardened up pros, old, fat and pushy.

Almost all my regulars from Patts moved to Bangkok. Most of them said they were just tired with the 'quality tourist' that pushed everyday for a '500 baht fuck with all 3 of us ' (you guys know exactly what I mean).

After seeing that beach road is a mess, I went to my next favourite place. Soi 6 (spare me the lecture again) . Same problem here, the age of the performers seems to be have gone way up (at least 5-7 years) , while the prices increased and the quality collapsed.

Disappointed with that, I thought that all of the good ones are in Gogo s now. So I went in the ones that I liked before (like Mandarin and Angelwitch). Same problem here, just as the good ones disappeared somewhere. As I have read about the new 'place to be ' what is up go go, I went there. The ladies were cute, I give them that, but they were looking so professional. Especially the 'show girls'. The prices were actually the ones that really surprised me. I didn't bother to remember everything but the show girls (which basically just soap their fake boobs on stage) were quoting around 1500 for BF and 5000 for LT. If you add the drinks, taxi and tip in the mix you end up paying up to 9000 baht for a girl that used to cost 1000 baht 2-3 years ago (minus the boobs) . 9000 baht is more than 200 euros! If you are only for one night in Patts and the 'thai dream' is something you have, I guess it's ok to pay this amount. For me, having some of my best experiences in Pats for less than 3000 baht for 24 hours, I'm just going to pass and go back to BKK which, by the way, improved significant since my last visit.

I see that a lot of people are asking about the non-thai girls available in Patts. JUST DON'T! Russians are usually doing scams, are fat, old, unfriendly and overpriced. Just find another country with russians (they are basically everywhere) if you are into that. I haven't seen any indian girls but there were some that look like turkish / middle eastern in mix disco.

Talking about the disco, the Nasha and tony's seems to be targeted to indian customers, while mix (as always) targeting the russian ones. Girls in this places are accordingly to customer's tastes.

In insomnia you will find a mix of all types of girls, especially after 2 am when all that don't have a (LT) customer go there.

Avoid by all means the Indian dancing bar and all Russian bars. The indian one will just rip you off with prices and promises that you will get a call from the girl of your choice after the show ends (which will never happen, maybe because I am white?) while the russian places promise a lot outside, while inside you have only an overpriced strip tease. Don't fall for the PRIVATE ROOM SCAM! They will tell you that you'll get a lot in the back room, but all you get is some lazy naked dance in a dark room.

Prices have increased on the BR too. A few years ago 300-400-500 baht for ST was the norm for fat / old / unattractive, while the beautiful one would charge 700-800 . Only a few 19-20 years old beautiful semi pro teens were asking 1000 for short time. Now 700-1000 seems to be the standard for the old ones, while the more beautiful ask up to 1500 for ST.

Pattaya is a place to go for nostalgics that knew the place before OR for newbies that want to experience the famous sleezy sodoma and gomora town. For the others, there is BKK if it has to be Thailand, or many other beautiful places.

If you were looking at another site the Darkside map 2015, I would say 50% of those places are gone or the name was changed.

Today personally it really should be called the Darkside because not much out here and what you see and I know taste is subjective but they might as well turn their lights off. As noted, one day it is open the next it is close. The girls don't stay long because not a lot of money is made in my opinion out here so they move on and if they don't you know why. Once in a while you get a farm fresh gem and they are quickly gone to greener pasture.

Noted, you should start around 4-5 pm but I noticed since Soi 6, was forced to open at 6 pm, the places out here seem to have followed that format.

Here are some names places are open a bit early like 1 pm, but I wouldn't go that early. These have pools and food like mini Kinnaree, Aqua Deymie, Fabrice, White Swan. La Guieente (spelling is off) expect to see maybe at half dozen girls at best. Dao bar just open again has food and a pool, the bar is around the back but not sure when they open? These places are basically houses turn into like a gentlemen club but don't expect the girls to be as aggressive as the clubs in town or Soi 6.

These bars might offieryou something around 2 pm after, Top cool, Junkyard, there is a set of places top of Soi Khao Talo, past the Castra Gym follow that road and there is a set that open around 2pm. Looking for nothing get hungry there is a place called Pepper and Salt, pretty good food I think it is close Tuesday. For the nasty there is Mango and Paradise two long running places out in the Darkside that should get mentioned since they haven't closed.

Forget about going out to the Lake, but if you do best time is after 6pm, personally the girls look better out there maybe because of the customers who are loaded but don't want to go into town. Majority of places don't get busy until 6 pm and after. In all the years living out here I found around a half dozen I would do and personally I not picky and only one that I use to see regularly. I'm not the type that likes to go into a place and be the only one especially the only minority. As you might already know majority of the guys who visit live out here and sneak out to these places before dinner and after dinner for their desert. All places closes at midnight.

Good luck.

Reason we (others like me) ask is for the variety. So far all the russians I have been with have been with are excellant. Cannot say the same about romanianss polish uzbeks. So far my best encounters have girls from moscow and baltic countries. Any hoo will explore and see what I can get in pattaya. I was there in year 2004 and have found a 18 years girl from.

Moscow on the walking street. She was just awesome. Those were pre whassap days hence cannot keep contacts.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2076415]The only reason can be those guys can't get to EE for many reasons.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2076634]If you were looking at another site the Darkside map 2015, I would say 50% of those places are gone or the name was changed. Today personally it really should be called the Darkside because not much out here and what you see and I know taste is subjective but they might as well turn their lights off.

Here are some names places are open a bit early like 1 pm, but I wouldn't go that early. These have pools and food like mini Kinnaree, Aqua Deymie, Fabrice, White Swan. La Guieente (spelling is off) expect to see maybe at half dozen girls at best. Dao bar just open again has food and a pool, the bar is around the back but not sure when they open? These places are basically houses turn into like a gentlemen club but don't expect the girls to be as aggressive as the clubs in town or Soi 6.

These bars might offieryou something around 2 pm after, Top cool, Junkyard, there is a set of places top of Soi Khao Talo, past the Castra Gym follow that road and there is a set that open around 2pm. Looking for nothing get hungry there is a place called Pepper and Salt, pretty good food I think it is close Tuesday. For the nasty there is Mango and Paradise two long running places out in the Darkside that should get mentioned since they haven't closed.

Forget about going out to the Lake, but if you do best time is after 6pm, personally the girls look better out there maybe because of the customers who are loaded but don't want to go into town. Majority of places don't get busy until 6 pm and after. In all the years living out here I found around a half dozen I would do and personally I not picky and only one that I use to see regularly. IAs you might already know majority of the guys who visit live out here and sneak out to these places before dinner and after dinner for their desert. All places closes at midnight.[/QUOTE]Great update LBM. The Darkside is primarily for ex-pats living in the area and other punters who want a little variety and enjoy exploring. Rent a motorcycle and

"Get your motor runnin'
Head out on the highway
Lookin' for adventure
And whatever comes our way
Yeah Darlin' go make it happen
Take the world in a love embrace"

-Born to be wild

[QUOTE=OneRose;2076561]Just came back from my last visit

After seeing that beach road is a mess, I went to my next favourite place. Soi 6 (spare me the lecture again) .

Disappointed with that, I thought that all of the good ones are in Gogo s now. So I went in the ones that I liked before (like Mandarin and Angelwitch). Same problem here, just as the good ones disappeared somewhere. As I have read about the new 'place to be ' what is up go go, I went there. The ladies were cute, I give them that, but they were looking so professional. Especially the 'show girls'. The prices were actually the ones that really surprised me. I didn't bother to remember everything but the show girls (which basically just soap their fake boobs on stage) were quoting around 1500 for BF and 5000 for LT. If you add the drinks, taxi and tip in the mix you end up paying up to 9000 baht for a girl that used to cost .[/QUOTE]What's wrong with soi6 ? Why would you get a leftie snot soi6 ?

[QUOTE=PicDoody387;2076495]We will be in Pattaya from next week. How's the weather now, is it raining badly? I am more of a gogo bar hopping guy, but if it rains then it might not be possible. How's the FL scene if it rains? Where is the best place to find girls if it rains be badly.[/QUOTE]Has not rained much in Pattaya over the past month but last night it rained a little last night. Scheduled to rain all week. I like the rain and clouds it cools the air a lot.

Best place to find girls if it rains is the comfort of your hotel room and Line someone to come over. If you need to go out rain does not stop most gogo girls from working. If the motorbike can make it to work so can they.

[QUOTE=OneRose;2076561]
After seeing that beach road is a mess, I went to my next favourite place. Soi 6 (spare me the lecture again) . Same problem here, the age of the performers seems to be have gone way up (at least 5-7 years) , while the prices increased and the quality collapsed.[/QUOTE]Visited Soi 6 3 times this week and I have had no problems seeing alright looking girls 18-25. No where near as cute as my gogo girl I found this week but it's Soi 6 so that is not my expectation. There are new girls showing up weekly now.

[QUOTE=OneRose;2076561]Disappointed with that, I thought that all of the good ones are in Gogo s now. So I went in the ones that I liked before (like Mandarin and Angelwitch). Same problem here, just as the good ones disappeared somewhere. As I have read about the new 'place to be ' what is up go go, I went there. The ladies were cute, I give them that, but they were looking so professional. Especially the 'show girls'. The prices were actually the ones that really surprised me. I didn't bother to remember everything but the show girls (which basically just soap their fake boobs on stage) were quoting around 1500 for BF and 5000 for LT. If you add the drinks, taxi and tip in the mix you end up paying up to 9000 baht for a girl that used to cost 1000 baht 2-3 years ago (minus the boobs) . 9000 baht is more than 200 euros! If you are only for one night in Patts and the 'thai dream' is something you have, I guess it's ok to pay this amount. For me, having some of my best experiences in Pats for less than 3000 baht for 24 hours, I'm just going to pass and go back to BKK which, by the way, improved significant since my last visit.

[/QUOTE]Mandarin hasn't been good since December, 2016. Angelwitch I don't even bother with any more. What's Up is overpriced and imo the talent is overrated. I was there only a few days ago. Even 2 years ago I've heard discussions of 7000 LT there for the Show Girls. Thai girls have learned well how to take advantage of the passive Japanese and Korean weekend millionaires.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2076851]Visited Soi 6 3 times this week and I have had no problems seeing alright looking girls 18-25. No where near as cute as my gogo girl I found this week but it's Soi 6 so that is not my expectation. There are new girls showing up weekly now.

Mandarin hasn't been good since December, 2016. Angelwitch I don't even bother with any more. What's Up is overpriced and imo the talent is overrated. I was there only a few days ago. Even 2 years ago I've heard discussions of 7000 LT there for the Show Girls. Thai girls have learned well how to take advantage of the passive Japanese and Korean weekend millionaires.[/QUOTE]Yeah I have to really agree about What's up. Some good things, but some of the girls are overpriced and overrated. I mean, there's a girl in there with missing teeth wtf.

Hows the daytime scene on Soi6 lately? I'll be in town in about 2 weeks and was looking forward to some afternoon play on Soi6, but the crackdown had me concerned that it wasn't as lively as it was a few months ago. Probably won't redirect my trip to BKK, but will make daytime play less interesting if Soi6 is less lively during the day.

OneRose,

I think your Beach Rd pricing is off. My experience is that the older ladies will go ST for 500 baht, not 700 to 1000 baht like you say. The better quality younger ones who are not the cream, will go ST for 700 to 800 baht. The top notch ladies all quote 1000 baht ST, though there are maybe only 5 of these on the entire Beach Rd stretch. The better quality ladies have quoted me 2000 baht for LT and the older 500 baht Short timers have quoted me 1000 baht for long time.

[QUOTE=Franga;2076959]OneRose,

I think your Beach Rd pricing is off. My experience is that the older ladies will go ST for 500 baht, not 700 to 1000 baht like you say. The better quality younger ones who are not the cream, will go ST for 700 to 800 baht. The top notch ladies all quote 1000 baht ST, though there are maybe only 5 of these on the entire Beach Rd stretch. The better quality ladies have quoted me 2000 baht for LT and the older 500 baht Short timers have quoted me 1000 baht for long time.[/QUOTE]I just shared what I was quoted, don't shoot the messanger.

Anyways, the biggest problem is the decrease in quality not the extra 100-200 baht.

I just arrived this evening. Went to Soi 6 to get a quickie. Quality girls stil can be spotted in some bars. However, most beer bars seem half emptied. It's 21:30 now. I don't think it's too early. Will head to BR to find FL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2075287]OK now I understand where you are coming from. Prices are not the same for us who reside in Pattaya. However, I don't post about the numerous freebies or going out with a top gogo girl for the amount of her barfine or maybe 1000 baht to her mainly because it's not applicable to the average tourist reader on this site. I also consider it to be a form of bragging. It is true when you become a known face who has a good reputation there are many perks with the girls.[/QUOTE]What you post about is your opinion. What I post about is my opinion, like it or not. It's not bragging at all. It is simply what has happened at any given time. And yes, the price is always lower.

I'm not here to dissect, what is for the tourist and what is for another guy. So you only post for the avg tourist? What about the guys who come here often and the guys who live here (rhetorical question)? We should ONLY post for the avg tourist. I don't think so. Feel free to start a new thread for locals or frequent visitors.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2075399]When I am in the US, the equivalent of that 5000 baht Thai stunner will cost me 5 to 10 times as much![/QUOTE]Really. A girl is the US would charge you 750 - 1500 USD? And you would pay that!? I don't think so. LOL Let's keep things in Perspective. This is not USA or Europe or wherever. A Girl doesn't cost that much here.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2075404]Pipe Layer could get her down to 2000! .[/QUOTE]If I'm lucky. LOL But unlike you, I don't worry about that stuff. Girls are everywhere.

Whatsup gogo is, IMO, a tourist trap. If gogos are your thing, why go to whatsup for overpriced drinks and girls when there are a whole bunch of other gogos nearby that cost much less? Let it sink it.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2075413]Haha. Good one! Yeah, Pipe Layer could totally get her down to 2000 -- unless she is in high demand and won't go with him for that amount -- in which case Pipe Layer has already decided, "Well, I didn't want that one anyways! So there!

If I played these semantic games, I could claim things like, "Every girl on the planet (except the ugly ones) wants to go to bed with me" (but carefully define "ugly girl" as all the girls who don't want to go to bed with me). Yes, if you carefully play these semantic games, then yes, one can make quite grand claims![/QUOTE]It's not about semantics. It's about what I'm willing to pay for (in case you missed the point the first time). IMO, the cost of pussy 'here' is not worth more than B2000 baht for all night and that's for a girl that I consider hotttt. Period. I only had about 4 girls like that in 6 years. Why? Because that's what my experience has taught me. To each his own. How much you have to pay is your problem. Whether she is ugly or not.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2077168]IMO, the cost of pussy 'here' is not worth more than B2000 baht for all night and that's for a girl that I consider hotttt. Period. I only had about 4 girls like that in 6 years. Why? [/QUOTE]You've only seen 4 hot girls in 6 years? Personally, if it comes to a point where I only see 4 hot girls in 6 years I'd be moving to another city/country.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2077190]You've only seen 4 hot girls in 6 years? Personally, if it comes to a point where I only see 4 hot girls in 6 years I'd be moving to another city/country.[/QUOTE]He is saying that he has only GIVEN 4 chicks that much over the years, not he has only SEEN 4 chicks worth that over the years.

I worry about br girls, how do you trust them? Do you take to short time room?

[QUOTE=Cdd4100;2077350]I worry about br girls, how do you trust them? Do you take to short time room?[/QUOTE]I think you worry too much. Just talk to the girl (make sure it is really a girl) and get a sense of her personality and her interest in you. Trust your instincts.

I have had no bad experiences taking BR girls back to my room. Met some delightful young ladies that way.

SW4.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2077168]IMO, the cost of pussy 'here' is not worth more than B2000 baht for all night and that's for a girl that I consider hotttt. Period. I only had about 4 girls like that in 6 years.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2077190]You've only seen 4 hot girls in 6 years? Personally, if it comes to a point where I only see 4 hot girls in 6 years I'd be moving to another city/country.[/QUOTE]Plenty of hotttt girls all over the place.

I was talking about how MUCH "I" would pay for a hotttt girl in Pattaya. The price I am willing to pay for pussy here is 2000 B.

When I said, I only had about 4 girls like that, I am saying that I have only HAD (fucked) 4 girls for 2000 baht in 6 years. And That's when I'm horny AND feel like I have good chemistry with a certain girl. Disclosure just for you: This is not for the average tourist who only has 2 weeks and is starving for pu$$y.

I didn't say I have only seen 4 hot girls. {I'm guessing American English is not your first language}? If that's the case, I will give you a pass on that question.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2077229]He is saying that he has only GIVEN 4 chicks that much over the years, not he has only SEEN 4 chicks worth that over the years.[/QUOTE]Not sure if this FNG knows what he is talking about. Sometimes it's hard to tell if a guy is just being a smart ass or if he is simply asking a real question. I try to give the benefit of the doubt 'at first'.

You remember the girl I told you about that I took from walking street for 2000 B and you laughed at me? This was about 3 years ago. I told you how pretty she was and showed a few photos of her.

Then, a few days later, I pointed a lady out to you when we on walking street. I said hey man, check out that fine ass lady. And you agreed that she was fine as heck and had a nice body too. Then I showed you her photo again and told you that's the one I PAID 2000 baht for! LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2075061]I do not mean you and me in particular. I mean the average mf. Most guys look at it as the girl is doing them a favor by letting them fuck so they have no problem giving what is asked, and in some cases consider it a bargain. You and I look at it as we are trying to do them a favor and put some money in their pocket so they should think hard about taking what is on offer. (Plus we are not bad guys so they are sure to have a decent time with us.) And if she does not accept it then it is off to the next that will, because we do not get set on having a particular girl.

I do not think it has much to do with how long you have been in a place as much as it has to do with your ability to talk shit. When I go to Cuba in a couple of days (a place that I have never been in my life), I am going to operate the same way I would in a place that I have been to 1000 times. (The guys that are breaking me in go all the time and said that chicks go from 30 to 100. That means my plan is to get them for 20!) Although like you said, if they are familiar with you they will know from the beginning that they can't treat you like the average tourist; meaning tell you some high ass price.[/QUOTE]You are right, of course. Don't know how I missed your post. This week for some reason has been good? Maybe because my honey from Bangkok was here keeping me company and draining my pipes (get it Pipelayer. Draining pipes).

It's good to know that some of us get 'it' while the others feel the need to pay whatever is asked. I don't even feel sorry for them.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2075066]Now you are finally making an important distinction between guys like you who are living there and vacation guys who are only there for a few weeks or even a few days.
Not mentioning this distinction is often blurring this discussion because the vacation guys (the majority on this board) might think it should be able for them too to get the top agogo girls for a much lower price.[/QUOTE]I'm not here to explain what I consider basic 'things' to you or anyone else. The new / vacation guys, and you, need to RTFF and figure it out.

When it was my FIRST time here 6 years ago, I was the same way as I am now (and that was when I was a rookie in Thailand). I didn't need someone to hold my hand and tell me 'BASIC' things. I came here, after RTFF, and did what I always do at home, and in foreign countries.

I can understand that some guys, need things explained in detail. I'm not one of them. I now how to get around, take the bus, and figure things out. Been doing it all my life. And of for the record, even new guys CAN get a hot ass girl for a lower price! I have close personal friend who I have known for 13 years. He is from my home town and he is very smart, plus he has money to spend. So money is not an important factor for him. This year, he was coming to Thailand for the first time. We talked on the phone and I told him the prices I was willing to pay for a girl 'HERE'. He told me not to worry, he knows what he is doing and his other 2 buddies have been here before! OK. I left it at that and I told him if he has any issues with anything, to call me, I'm available for you 24/7. (I was back in our home town for a few months).
This intelligent guy, from my home town, spent 5 days in Pattaya. He told me he only paid for 2 girls and fucked 2 girls for free from the club. Why is that? Is it because he was a rookie who didn't know the distinction between someone who lives here? Or maybe because he was new guy to Pattaya and just got lucky?
NO. It's because he knows how to talk with women (from anywhere) and can get what he wants without paying huge barfines and high prices. Plus he didn't even ask for any additional help / information during his trip.

Figure it out! If you don't know, you better ask someone. Then again, if you have a crab face and you have to pay more for it, then that's on you. Not everyone comes here and has to pay huge prices for a piece of tail. If that's one guys particular MO, then it might be better to just go to Soapies and Soi 6 for set prices.

[QUOTE=Cdd4100;2077350]I worry about br girls, how do you trust them? Do you take to short time room?[/QUOTE]It all depends on your selection of girls. Some are good, some are bad. But some are worst.

5 years ago I picked up a girl from Beach Road. She was so good that from last 5 years we are in contact with each other. I just slept with her once. But now whenever I visit Pattaya, she meets me. Comes to my Villa, cook food have some drinks and go home.

Hey Pipe Layer99, Take it easy. There are more than enough girls for you to do things your way and me to do things my way. Enjoy the Bountiful Feast and be happy.

I don't care who you are hitting or what you are paying, but YOU seem to have a need to convince us all of something. I have no idea what that is. Look, nothing personal, but if you want to impress me with the quality of your girls or your knowledge and prowess with the ladies, then post a few pictures. Anybody can post how gorgeous their 1000 baht girl was, or how well she performed last night, or how no girl is worth more than XXX. But the pics don't lie and can tell a lot about the punters tastes and preferences or lack therof. I get very tired of some dudes that come on the ISG and want to set arbitrary price ceilings for others.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2077496]Hey Pipe Layer99, I don't care who you are hitting on or what you are paying. But YOU seem to have a need to convince us all that if we don't do as you do we are all bunch of sapless, dickless wonders. I wonder why you want to play this role. Look, nothing personal, but if you want to impress anybody with the quality of your girls or your knowledge and prowess with the ladies, then post a few pictures. Anybody can rant and rave about how gorgeous their 1000 baht girl was last night. The pics don't lie and can tell a lot about the photographer's tastes and preferences or lack therof.
Initially I agrreed with a lot of what you were posting, but lately you have gone off the rails.[/QUOTE]Natty, are you kidding me? You and I are normally on the same sheet of music. Don't take my posts personal and directed towards you (be careful how you use the word we). I have seen a bunch of your posts as well AND I also agree with a lot of what you post. Between you and me (since I'm replying directly to your post), I'm not trying to impress ANYONE. Lately, some of these guys are just talking out of both sides of there mouths. I'm tired of it. (I used to just ignore it. That's why you see gaps in my posts if you check). If YOU personally want to see any of my girls from the past, feel free to do a search on my posts in the photo galley. You will find plenty. Girls from Thailand, Vietnam, Brazil, Colombia, etc.

Alternatively, next time you come to Pattaya and you want to hit a club to find a girl, I'm game. Then you will see first hand. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, it's just MY opinion. For me, this is not rocket science. It's just about picking up girls. P4P or not.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2077507]Natty, are you kidding me? You and I are normally on the same sheet of music. Don't take my posts personal and directed towards you (be careful how you use the word we). I have seen a bunch of your posts as well AND I also agree with a lot of what you post. Between you and me (since I'm replying directly to your post), I'm not trying to impress ANYONE. Lately, some of these guys are just talking out of both sides of there mouths. I'm tired of it. (I used to just ignore it. That's why you see gaps in my posts if you check). If YOU personally want to see any of my girls from the past, feel free to do a search on my posts in the photo galley. You will find plenty. Girls from Thailand, Vietnam, Brazil, Colombia, etc.

Alternatively, next time you come to Pattaya and you want to hit a club to find a girl, I'm game. Then you will see first hand. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, it's just MY opinion. For me, this is not rocket science. It's just about picking up girls. P4 p or not.[/QUOTE]I know Pipe, we are usually on the same page. That's why I don't know why you are getting so down on a couple of other BM's. If I was being too critical in my last post, forgetaboutit.

Clubs ARE different from Go Go's. I plan to hit a Club or two next time I am in Pattaya. I am going to spend most of March in BKK then head down to Pattaya toward the end of the month. Girls tend to get friendlier towards the end of the month as their rent bill comes due.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2077509]I konw Pipe, we are usually on the same page. That's why I don't know why you are getting so critical.[/QUOTE]Because some, not all, of these guys are being crazy in dealing with the girls IMO. Feel free to send me a pm. Or like I said, send me your email and we (you and I) will talk about it.

We tried to meet about 2 years ago, but we were both tied up and it didn't work out. Then last year, if I recall correctly, you only went to Bangkok, Indonesia, and maybe one other place (but you didn't come to Pattaya).

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2077513]Because some, not all, of these guys are being crazy in dealing with the girls IMO. Feel free to send me a pm. Or like I said, send me your email and we (you and I) will talk about it.

We tried to meet about 2 years ago, but we were both tied up and it didn't work out. Then last year, if I recall correctly, you only went to Bangkok, Indonesia, and maybe one other place (but you didn't come to Pattaya).[/QUOTE]Yeah, I remember. I will also be heading back to Jakarta some time in April after LOS. I am looking forward to Jakarta, BKK, & Pat. I just wish I did not have to wait another 5. 5 months, but it can't be helped. I still have to work. Damn!

I will PM you later when I am in country.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2077428]Plenty of hotttt girls all over the place.

I was talking about how MUCH "I" would pay for a hotttt girl in Pattaya. The price I am willing to pay for pussy here is 2000 B.

When I said, I only had about 4 girls like that, I am saying that I have only HAD (fucked) 4 girls for 2000 baht in 6 years. And That's when I'm horny AND feel like I have good chemistry with a certain girl. Disclosure just for you: This is not for the average tourist who only has 2 weeks and is starving for pu$$y.

I didn't say I have only seen 4 hot girls. {I'm guessing American English is not your first language}? If that's the case, I will give you a pass on that question.[/QUOTE]You get better girls at GoGo clubs; so they cost more. That is all there is to it.

Yes, there is variation but on average GoGo girls are superior. I don't think there is a punter on this forum without the money to pay for GoGo girls, so why are we being such tight asses with these young girls? We are filthy old men and they're sucking our cocks. Give her some money to buy something nice, pay for her baby, send to her family, whatever, make it worth her while. If the girl does a good job, I'll tip her 100, to 500 baht. I don't usually tip for anything as I think throwing away money is stupid, but sometimes I think for the service offered the price I pay isn't enough.

You can get "okay" girls outside the clubs. I guess, but I'd rather spend 3,000-4,000 on a 22 year old cutie from a GoGo bar; who will be cute enough but not a model, than spend 1,000 for a nasty, aggressive short time with an Insomnia girl who clearly hates my cock.

The stand out thing with Thai girls is their personality (I hate to say this but it is true) they know how to be a lady, they will follow you and not try to lead. This is obviously all an act; in part. There are no western or European girls that can pull off that same level of submissiveness and femininity, even when acting. There is something inherently different about Thai women.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2077161]Really. A girl is the US would charge you 750 - 1500 USD? And you would pay that!? I don't think so. LOL Let's keep things in Perspective. This is not USA or Europe or wherever. A Girl doesn't cost that much here.
[/QUOTE]Remember, I am talking about all day. Normal, average-looking girls in the US will be not be much less than $200 for a hour typically. Ask them to spend the day and night and see what they ask for! One Asian free lance hottie in my state charges $300 an hour and she is booked solid. Two hours, $500. All night, you are looking at over $1,500. In Pattaya, she would be a tenth of that, and the service likely better.

I will be in Pattaya in 7 weeks. Would love to see you pick up a hottie that makes me drool for 1500 baht for a night. That is not a challenge. I simply would love to see it happen, and not have to spend many many hours or days to happen where it is more luck or playing out the odds than it is skill. (Though skill, and being a regular and speaking Thai. , certainly helps increase the odds.).

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2077566]You get better girls at GoGo clubs; so they cost more. That is all there is to it.
Yes, there is variation but on average GoGo girls are superior....
You can get "okay" girls outside the clubs. I guess, but I'd rather spend 3,000-4,000 on a 22 year old cutie from a GoGo bar; who will be cute enough but not a model, than spend 1,000 for a nasty, aggressive short time with an Insomnia girl who clearly hates my cock.
The stand out thing with Thai girls is their personality (I hate to say this but it is true) they know how to be a lady, they will follow you and not try to lead. This is obviously all an act; in part. There are no western or European girls that can pull off that same level of submissiveness and femininity, even when acting. There is something inherently different about Thai women.[/QUOTE]If that's what you think, so be it (I'm talking about if you feel that the gogo girls are better so they should cost more). 'Better / superior girls' is highly subjective in a number of ways. And there are a lot of those so called better girls that are stuck up. Not to split hairs on the subject, but let's not forget there are also a bunch of girls in the gogos that make us think what in the heck are these girls doing in here. In other words, there are some unattractive and overweight girls in there as well. Nobody's going to argue that because we see all the time.

Plus, you can go into your favorite gogo one night and it has a number of girls you like. Go again 2-3 days later (or 6 months later for the twice a year visitor) and it's totally lame. The pretty ones are nowhere to be found and the place / vibe is just not the same.

In regards to the club / s you're way off base. That's not the right picture you painted above. First of all, I'm sure no one in their right mind wants a nasty, aggressive girl from a club (or a gogo for that matter). Of course any guy would rather take a cute girl over a nasty one no matter where she works and no matter what price.

Nevertheless, getting back on topic, there are two things worth mentioning regarding these girls. There are many sexy girls who are just FLs (not working in a gogo) and they only go to the clubs when they want to work. So on any given night, you can find lots of very pretty women in the clubs. Some of the clubs have 150 or more girls inside, many of which are just as pretty as gogo girls.

The other thing is that those same so-called superior gogo girls go to the clubs too. They don't all get taken every night. When they don't get barfined they go to the club looking for money.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2077955]Remember, I am talking about all day. Normal, average-looking girls in the US will be not be much less than $200 for a hour typically. Ask them to spend the day and night and see what they ask for! One Asian free lance hottie in my state charges $300 an hour and she is booked solid. Two hours, $500. All night, you are looking at over $1,500. In Pattaya, she would be a tenth of that, and the service likely better.

I will be in Pattaya in 7 weeks. Would love to see you pick up a hottie that makes me drool for 1500 baht for a night. That is not a challenge. I simply would love to see it happen, and not have to spend many many hours or days to happen where it is more luck or playing out the odds than it is skill. (Though skill, and being a regular and speaking Thai. , certainly helps increase the odds.).[/QUOTE]That's crazy. I knew guys in the States who would pay $170 an hour for hot Korean girls (this was about 7 years ago). I'm sure the rate has gone up by now. I haven't asked. I'd rather save some dough for a few months (if I was in that situation) and then fly to Asia instead of spending $300 just an hour of fun. Some guys can't get away or they don't want to fly for 24 hours.

In Pattaya, I bet you Would love to see it happen. You are cracking me up. Bring some game and try your luck maybe you can make it happen. LOL.
However, playing the devil's advocate on that subject, you'd have keep a few things in mind and not get ahead of yourself. What one guy considers a hottie might not be a hottie for you? So when a guy finds one, and you think she is not hot, it's a wrap. And who knows how long it would take? Of course it would take some time and effort.
If it didn't happen at one place, you'd need to go to another. Same as when you come to Pattaya and go looking for a hottie. If you like gogos, you could easily go on the hunt in the ones at LK Metro. Nothing there, it's off to walking st. Other guys like bars and they walk up and down soi 6 a few times trying to find one that fits their bill. If nothing stands out, off to the next place on the list. No way to tell what will happen on any given Sunday. That's the good part of being here though. There are options.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2078232]If that's what you think, so be it (I'm talking about if you feel that the gogo girls are better so they should cost more). 'Better / superior girls' is highly subjective in a number of ways. And there are a lot of those so called better girls that are stuck up. Not to split hairs on the subject, but let's not forget there are also a bunch of girls in the gogos that make us think what in the heck are these girls doing in here. In other words, there are some unattractive and overweight girls in there as well. Nobody's going to argue that because we see all the time.

Plus, you can go into your favorite gogo one night and it has a number of girls you like. Go again 2-3 days later (or 6 months later for the twice a year visitor) and it's totally lame. The pretty ones are nowhere to be found and the place / vibe is just not the same.

In regards to the club / s you're way off base. That's not the right picture you painted above. First of all, I'm sure no one in their right mind wants a nasty, aggressive girl from a club (or a gogo for that matter). Of course any guy would rather take a cute girl over a nasty one no matter where she works and no matter what price.

Nevertheless, getting back on topic, there are two things worth mentioning regarding these girls. There are many sexy girls who are just FLs (not working in a gogo) and they only go to the clubs when they want to work. So on any given night, you can find lots of very pretty women in the clubs. Some of the clubs have 150 or more girls inside, many of which are just as pretty as gogo girls.

The other thing is that those same so-called superior gogo girls go to the clubs too. They don't all get taken every night. When they don't get barfined they go to the club looking for money.[/QUOTE]It's not subjective at all. People have different tastes, but top tier girls are top tier girls. If you couldn't see her prancing around a college campus, or working in finance as an assistant, then she isn't top tier.

More likely that the hot FL girls have HIV or some other serious STD. Something to consider.

I don't see how a hooker can be "stuck up" given they have such a degrading job. When she is on all fours on my hotel floor and I "accidentally" stick the tip of my dick in her ass is that what you mean by stuck up? As in stuck up the ass?

I don't see the point in misleading fellow mongers because you have some weird idea that top quality girls are going for 1 k.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2078259]That's crazy. I knew guys in the States who would pay $170 an hour for hot Korean girls (this was about 7 years ago). I'm sure the rate has gone up by now. I haven't asked. I'd rather save some dough for a few months (if I was in that situation) and then fly to Asia instead of spending $300 just an hour of fun. Some guys can't get away or they don't want to fly for 24 hours.

In Pattaya, I bet you Would love to see it happen. You are cracking me up. Bring some game and try your luck maybe you can make it happen. LOL.
However, playing the devil's advocate on that subject, you'd have keep a few things in mind and not get ahead of yourself. What one guy considers a hottie might not be a hottie for you? So when a guy finds one, and you think she is not hot, it's a wrap. And who knows how long it would take? Of course it would take some time and effort.
If it didn't happen at one place, you'd need to go to another. Same as when you come to Pattaya and go looking for a hottie. If you like gogos, you could easily go on the hunt in the ones at LK Metro. Nothing there, it's off to walking st. Other guys like bars and they walk up and down soi 6 a few times trying to find one that fits their bill. If nothing stands out, off to the next place on the list. No way to tell what will happen on any given Sunday. That's the good part of being here though. There are options.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing your preference is not spinners so you are competing with our South Asian brothers for the beefier girls. Apples and oranges and two totally different price points. I'm curious what it costs for Korean chicks in asia?

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;2078427]I'm guessing your preference is not spinners so you are competing with our South Asian brothers for the beefier girls. Apples and oranges and two totally different price points. [/QUOTE]Photos of Pipe Layer99's girls can be found in the photo gallery thread.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/search.php?searchid=3185803[/URL]

Just back after another great trip to Pattaya. FR coming in a couple of days. Since I was on the road for a while, I have not read the forum, and now that I have I realize I need to do some housekeeping. So here goes.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2077507]I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, it's just MY opinion. For me, this is not rocket science. It's just about picking up girls. P4 p or not.[/QUOTE]Block Pipe Layer99 - I could really do without a vain, pompous BM whose mouth appears to be bigger than his dick on my feed. Over the last 8 pages I read, there is nothing of value contributed by this BM, except for vitriolic attacks on other BM and a one note droning about how 2000 baht is the magic price for the hottest chicks in Pattaya.

Thanks to Banana Boi I have taken a look at the pics posted by PL99. Barring the one chick from Vietnam (whose face isn't visible), I can fully understand why he gets his chicks at 2000 baht (maximum).

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2078415]More likely that the hot FL girls have HIV or some other serious STD.[/QUOTE]Nobody has any hard data on this but there's absolutely no reason to believe it so. If anything the less good-looking girls are in a poorer position to insist on condoms.

In any case, practice safe sex and the point is moot.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2078562]
Block Pipe Layer99 - I could really do without a vain, pompous BM whose mouth appears to be bigger than his dick on my feed. Over the last 8 pages I read, there is nothing of value contributed by this BM, except for vitriolic attacks on other BM and a one note droning about how 2000 baht is the magic price for the hottest chicks in Pattaya.

Thanks to Banana Boi I have taken a look at the pics posted by PL99. Barring the one chick from Vietnam (whose face isn't visible), I can fully understand why he gets his chicks at 2000 baht (maximum).[/QUOTE]It has been observed many times that Pattaya has more than its fair share of grumpy old men. For those who wonder if this is really true, perhaps we should thank Pipe Layer99 for adding support to that hypothesis.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2078415]It's not subjective at all. People have different tastes, but top tier girls are top tier girls. If you couldn't see her prancing around a college campus, or working in finance as an assistant, then she isn't top tier.[/QUOTE]Having stayed in Thailand for a few years, I can see almost none of the working girls in such roles since 2011 or so. Very few Thai-Chinese or even plausible middle-class looking among the working girls. Pattaya hookers are almost all from a few specific parts of Issan, and not even the average-to-better looking Issan girls. These days, "top-tier" in Pattaya means nothing more than early 20's and reasonably slim.

Among the Pattaya working girls, it's more of a "who looks interesting enough and strikes my fancy (even if she's not every man's cup of tea)", rather than "wow, she's objectively top-tier, got to have her". [I]None[/I] of the working girls in Pattaya would be the top looker within a single BTS carriage on a normal day (maybe on that last train which happens to have 4 people per carriage, 3 of them guys).

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2078797]Having stayed in Thailand for a few years, I can see almost none of the working girls in such roles since 2011 or so. Very few Thai-Chinese or even plausible middle-class looking among the working girls. Pattaya hookers are almost all from a few specific parts of Issan, and not even the average-to-better looking Issan girls. These days, "top-tier" in Pattaya means nothing more than early 20's and reasonably slim.

Among the Pattaya working girls, it's more of a "who looks interesting enough and strikes my fancy (even if she's not every man's cup of tea)", rather than "wow, she's objectively top-tier, got to have her". [I]None[/I] of the working girls in Pattaya would be the top looker within a single BTS carriage on a normal day (maybe on that last train which happens to have 4 people per carriage, 3 of them guys).[/QUOTE]Top tier working girl!= Top tier girl. Big difference. Also. I don't care about Asian racism. A pretty girl is a pretty girl. I feel from a western perspective; many in the Pattaya FKK clubs meet the requirement I proposed.

I agree that there are few to no real stunners. I think Soi Cowboy has stunners; but I can't stand Bangkok for more than one night. Maybe my next trip.

Aloha all,

First off thanks for all of the great content. Little hard to find through the moaning but what are ya going to do? I'll be in Patts for one week, 5-11 Sept. This is my first time and just out of a divorce! LOL Hope I survive!!

Anyways, I've read 100+ pages back and this is the plan. Budget volume vagina!

I have a place near soi 6 and a list of TF / Line contacts with prices for rainy days or last minute plans. I will.

Also be stalking BR. Two at once is definitely on the list, maybe DD for that. Soapies / oilies also on the list. Both spendie but hey.

My main question is my list of gogo joints. I know they change and are subject to taste. I am looking for raunchy action and rude behavior! The more naked the better! LOL. I won't be bar fining, lady drinks and tips only. Not looking for stunners. Attitude is king. Just looking for a good time.

Here is my list so far:

Windmill.

Sugar babies.

Sapphire.

Fahrenheit.

Sensations.

Any suggestions?

What about LK Metro?

Again, thank you all for the info and entertainment. I will be issuing reports soon!

The anniversary of His Majesty, the late King's death, is October 13. That is just a few days after I will arrive in Thailand.

I am sure the bars will shut down on that day, but perhaps they might shut down for several days? Might the massage places be open? Might the BR FL girls be out? Should the Tinder girls be available? Will places like DD and Kinneree (sp) be open? In short, how will the mongering be in October on or around October 13? Will Walking Street be dead? For how long?

For a double whammy, I think the funeral will then be on Oct 26 or so. That could be huge in Bangkok with all the crowds!

What do some you guys living there think will happen? How will the mongering be? I am stuck with my travel plans, but I can make some slight alterations.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2079059]The anniversary of His Majesty, the late King's death, is October 13. That is just a few days after I will arrive in Thailand.

I am sure the bars will shut down on that day, but perhaps they might shut down for several days? Might the massage places be open? Might the BR FL girls be out? Should the Tinder girls be available? Will places like DD and Kinneree (sp) be open? In short, how will the mongering be in October on or around October 13? Will Walking Street be dead? For how long?

For a double whammy, I think the funeral will then be on Oct 26 or so. That could be huge in Bangkok with all the crowds!

What do some you guys living there think will happen? How will the mongering be? I am stuck with my travel plans, but I can make some slight alterations.[/QUOTE]You have asked many questions here about a subject that none knows the answer to. Why we don't know is simple. This is new territory for everyone. When the king passed, things were pretty much screws for a week but after that, it all went back to normal. My guess is 2 or 3 days at best for the Cremation. One thing I know about the Thais is they forget easlily. My hunch tells me most of the girls will stay in Pattaya and apps like We Chat and Thai Friendly will blow up with them searching for customers. There will still be ladies on BR. This is just my opinion mind you but I wouldn't change your flight unless your main reason for going to Patts is the alcohol.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2079059]The anniversary of His Majesty, the late King's death, is October 13. That is just a few days after I will arrive in Thailand.

I am sure the bars will shut down on that day, but perhaps they might shut down for several days? Might the massage places be open? Might the BR FL girls be out? Should the Tinder girls be available? Will places like DD and Kinneree (sp) be open? In short, how will the mongering be in October on or around October 13? Will Walking Street be dead? For how long?

For a double whammy, I think the funeral will then be on Oct 26 or so. That could be huge in Bangkok with all the crowds!

What do some you guys living there think will happen? How will the mongering be? I am stuck with my travel plans, but I can make some slight alterations.[/QUOTE]I agree with BKKDog. The Thais have immense respect for His Majesty, the late King. But they still have to put food on the table. So I would bet on online being the prime source during these times.

That said, this is an entirely new, unprecedented event, so there is no telling how things pan out. Good luck!

Now I am no newbie to the mongering scene in Pattaya, but every trip brings a new learning. This one was no different. I want to share my top 3 learnings with my fellow hobbyists.

[B]Learning 1 If you are booking a condo unit for your stay, make sure you know the owner and you have personally checked out the unit in a previous trip[/B]

I booked an 8 day stay at City Garden Pattaya Condo through AirBnb. The pics looked good on the website and the reviews were positive. The person managing the booking was also very responsive and pleasant. They also offered a very relaxed cancellation policy. So I took it. When I arrived the manager welcomed me, showed me the unit and walked me through all the formalities. Frankly, I was far from impressed at the unit. It was shabbily maintained. The aircon in the bedroom was not working properly, there was dust all over the furniture, quite a few lights not working, creaky handles and knobs, a basin that was not scrubbed for weeks and a leaky water jet in the WC. The living room was sparsely furnished, a lumpy sofa with a rug thrown over it. A TV whose remote would not work. Just 2 pillows on the bed and a very thin mattress and an old duvet with a cover that had seen better days.

I decided I cannot let such poor accommodations ruin my trip, so I went online and found a good deal with LK Residence on Soi Diana. Called them, made my inquiries about the facilities and amenities and then booked it online. It was a snap. I cancelled the rest of my stay at City Garden and got a refund for 7 days. Well, at least the cancellation policy came good.

I have written a report about my stay at LK Residence in the hotels thread for those who might be interested.

[B]Learning 2 The more the merrier[/B]

In my past trips I have either mongered alone or I have been with a close friend (who isn't on this forum). And it's been fun. This time I had the honour and pleasure of meeting a few BMs on ground. Fortunately we got along pretty well and had some really memorable times.

We went around to nearly all places of interest. Gentlemen Clubs all over town, Discos, Beer Bar Complexes, Soi 6, etc. We even caught up for drinks and dinner on a couple of occasions. I had a great time and I would look forward to catching up with these gentlemen again. You know who you are. Thank you for everything!

[B]Learning 3 There is something for everyone in this city at every possible price range. So dont complain. Find your segment and enjoy there. Live and let live. And this is the meaty part of the FR[/B]

Needless to say Beach Road offers the best VFM for budget mongers. Prices can vary from 500 to 1000 for ST. Sometimes a desperate lady might even take 1000 for LT. YMMV. This is a segment I strictly avoid. I have my reasons.

A lot of Freelancers have moved online and this is great VFM source as well. But I noticed on this visit that apps like WeChat and Badoo are full of ladyboys. However, I had good success with TF. Got 3ST's in my 8 days. MO is simple, Send interest and an introductory line asking for Line contact. Shift the conversation to Line and get the girl in your room in less than 2 hours. Paid each of them 1000 + 100/200 tip depending on quality of service. All 3 were in no hurry to leave and offered 2 shots over an extended 2 3 hour time period. I also got one on WS at 4. 30 am at a Pad Thai stall. I was leaving Insomnia after witnessing a sausage fest on one of the days and stopped for some grub. Saw this cutie at the stall and offered to buy her food for her. And we wound up in bed. I paid her 2500 though as she left by 1 pm the next day.

Next on the list for VFM for me will be Soi 6. Tons of girls here, some really cute ones too if you can snare them before other customers do. The place gets going later these days but you can drop by as early as 2 pm or 3 pm and cool off with a beer. You can even get a bottle of water if you please. I don't understand why no one has mentioned about the "no alcohol before 6 pm" rule being completely ignored. There is no compulsion to buy a lady drink. But it's a good idea to get the girl one drink, then you can inspect the goods before you decide to take her upstairs. Many of the girls here have significant body damage from excessive drinking, babies, etc. Almost everyone in the trade has tattoos these days. A small one is OK but ones that cover the entire arm, or back or leg can be quite repulsive. This is my taste. Yours might differ. Prices are the same as before 300 barfine + 1000 for the girl. I went out with 3 girls during my trip. All of them solid performers so I tipped them each 100. Tips are optional.

Newbie Tip: If you really like the girl and sense some chemistry do not hesitate to ask her for LT. With the change in operating hours here, a lot more girls on Soi 6 are open to LT.

The fourth spot for VFM goes to Gentlemen Clubs. Now there are several all over town. IMHO Heaven is the best of the lot, as drinks are cheap and you get free food for a bill over 300 baht. The girls are fun and the rooms are very good. They could change the damn sofa though in the main lounge area. I had one session here and it was just what the place says it is Heaven. Prices same as Soi 6. The Den has fantastic ambience, very comfortable interiors and a good pool table. But the ladies are quite rough and they charge more. Also, they do not have rooms onsite. Club Excite on the adjoining road can be a lot of fun too. The clubs on Soi Full Love Inn (Pirates, 007 and J Club) are a hit and miss as each of them have few girls and on a busy days you could find yourself nursing a drink alone. I had a total of 4 chicks from an assortment of these clubs. All of them very good in bed. Prices same as Soi 6. I also peeked into clubs like Velvet, Booze, Pacha, Kik and a few others. Entirely forgettable.

After this at number five comes the innumerable beer bar complexes all over town. My personal favourite is Simon Complex at the northern end of WS right opposite Annabelle. The girls are fun and much less hardened. 6 of my 8 nights I have picked LTs from here for 600 barfine and 2000 3000 for the girl. And only 1 turned out to be a dud, where I cut my losses and sent her away with 1500. I was also surprised to learn that some bars here have a differential barfine system 1000 before midnight 600 after. WTF.

The other Simon Complex at the South end of WS, just after Insomnia is completely dead. I will never go there again. On 5 of my 8 days I walked around to check it out. On each day at least 50% of the bars were shut. The other 50% had very scant attendance of only mature women. Ugghhh!

There is the beer garden just outside the start of WS on the North end where I spotted a couple of cuties. Likewise along Soi 7. Nothing on Soi 8. Nothing on Soi Made in Thailand. Drinking Street always holds promise but the one time I went there I had a girl in tow so I could not really assess the place. The music there really sucks though. Walked along Soi Buakhaow a couple of times but nothing caught my eye. Ducked in small lanes that had some bars, but to no avail. Checked out the small complex of bars on 2nd road near Soi 10, spotted just one cute girl who seemed totally engrossed in her phone. So this route can be very rewarding but it takes solid legwork and patience.

Some might argue that Discos like Insomnia and Lucifer offer the best picks and are great VFM. But the prospect of staying up till 4 am or 5 am to pick a drunk chick to bang is not my idea of fun or VFM. No judgement on those who do. More power to you. You have one monger less to compete with.

I did go to the discos on 5 nights out of 8 but each of those nights I already had a girl from Simon Complex in tow. So the time spent in the disco was just fun, no pressure of picking up anyone. But there are indeed some really hot chicks here and anyone who fancies the game should come here. IMHO for picking up chicks Lucifer is good between 1 am and 3 am while Insomnia really gets going after 3 am.

Next on the list of VFM options (now this is veering towards the steep side) are the semi-Gogo bars. These are bars like Papagayo, Shooters, Tim's Bar etc. They charge 1000 barfine and the girl can ask as much as 4000 LT. They usually settle for 3000. Perhaps some BMs can get them at lower prices, good on them for their bargaining skills. I went to Shooters but the place was packed and I left soon as I was feeling claustrophobic. I picked a girl from Lisa Bar near Korea Town up North on 2nd road. One of the best performers on this trip.

And finally worst VFM option are the Gogo Bars that Pattaya is so famous for. Now if you want to buy a couple of drinks, ogle at tons of naked girls, grope a really pretty chick and get a HJ (or even a BJ on a really slow night), all under 1000 baht then these places can be fun. I visited a good number of Gogo bars this time and had a lot of fun with the girls and bought them quite a few drinks.

There are differential barfines for ST and LT at some Gogo bars. Almost all of them have a time differential pricing that normalises after midnight. The quality of girls are clearly a notch or two above any other venue. Among these, Sensations on WS stands out as a jewel. On any given day at any given time you can walk in and rest assured to find at least 8 to 10 girls worth shagging. Bachelors on LK Metro was awesome fun too. Ninja usually has decent talent but the time I went they were quite sad. Paradise simply did not live up to the promise while Crystal, Office, and Champagne were lukewarm. I had crossed off Sugar Sugar, Destiny and Queen from my list after the last trip. On WS Fahrenheit, Ginza, are Baccara are worth peeping into. Also looked at Windmill, Electric Blue, Wildcats and Sugarbaby. I really wanted to look at Tantra and Runway, but could not find the motivation. I still think What's Up has the most gorgeous girls in all of Pattaya but the place is clearly out of my league. Someday I will have that 20 K baht to blow in one night and I will have a good time there. On that note maybe Sapphire too.

I did not bother looking at the massage shops along Soi Chaiyaphoom or Soi Honey or other random streets and corners. Neither did I visit the soapies. I simply do not fancy these places.

So in summary, I had another fabulous trip. Can't wait for the next one. Songkran 2018 here I come.

Reached Pattaya on a Thursday and hit WS in the evening by 8 pm. At that time it was not as busy or lively as remember from my March visit. I directly went to bacarra and decided to sit in the first floor. Bacarra first floor is one of the best places for me in Bangkok and I was expecting a similar vibe. But here that was clearly missing. None of the girls were standing out. But they were all pleasant to watch and I did kill 90 minutes in that place. By the time I came out WS was alive and kicking. I went to sapphire as I picked a sweety last time for there. This time I couldn't find anyone worth (worth the BF+St / LT) taking to room. Again had a good chat with couple of ladies and came out. After that went to happy agogo. Here it was crowded and the vibe was great. Girls were all overdressed but some of them were cute. All these have one thing in common and that it is no one will pester you for drinks. For me that is more important than vfm, nudity. I really want to relax a bit before I hit the more hardcore clubs. I went to couple of other gogo bars and came out after one drink after getting tired of lady drink negotiation. The one I hated the most was taboo. From the moment I walked in there were request from all corners and in that darkness I couldn't even understand from where. I didn't even sit for one drink here. I went in after seeing a couple of cute girls outside, but inside was all old ladies. Finally went to iron, my fav from the last trip. I was surprised to see that the quality was missing. There were couple of spinners in the tub having fun with punters but I was not given a chance to enjoy that as I was constantly pestered for drinks. Found one girl from my last trip and decided to settle with her for the night. Last time she was new and fun, but this time she wanted to me buy drinks for her friends, new waiter, mamasan and I don't know who all. She herself had three lds in 10 min! I took this as a bad omen and escaped. By now it was around 3, sensations was boring when I went in, hopefully as it was late (opening to go today) . One of my agenda was to pick a girl from a disco. Went to Lucifer, 808 and I bar, while there were some good chicks there, it was too loud and crowded for me. So that one is still unchecked on my to-do. Finally picked up a girl her way to a disco and had my nights quota of fun.

Picking up a FL from br was also a to-do, but quality on he was not great so didn't proceed.

Friday was drastically different from my first day. I was hell bent on picking a FL from br, so started the search from 7 pm. I couldn't find even a single one that fits my taste. Went to Bacara, had said few undisturbed drinks with some real hotties dancing in front. Saw one really hot chick, asked the waiter to call her, #101, she refused and went searching for a Japanese gentlemen. None of the good looking ones were keeping an eye contact with non Japanese / Korean gentlemen. I think only the second tier is open to others (second tier is still better than most gogos) but when you see tier 1,tier 2 hurts your ego. So got out and went to br again. Actually there was no change in the availability and girls were they where before and no one new joined. I am not sure if I missing something here. Came back to ws, went to happy agogo. A good looking girl came in to me and started talking. I was a bit irritated in the beginning as not getting disturbed was the USP of this place in my mind. So avoided her for some time. She didn't ask for lady drinks and was sitting next to me. Then I offered a drink and ended taking her for st. Her name was Anna. She was wearing an orange outfit yesterday. After I paid the entire 4 k to the bar, a couple of really hot tall girls came to the stage. So started the st journey with bit of regret. Anna wanted to hire a cab, so it was another 200 baht to Soi 10. Anna was good in bed all positions open with BBBJ. She wanted taxi money after the deed. Happily gave her 100 baht. So it overall 5 k affair to have a decent girl from happy. After this roamed around for sometime. As I was thinking of a second round, saw one very cute girl standing outside mandarin. Went and directly asked her whether she wants to sit with me. She was surprised and came with me. After seeing the talent inside I felt so relieved to have a girl predeceased with me. Her name was ice. She was very fluent in English but was dick scared. To be fair to her, she said this upfront. She was so much fun to ignore at that point so asked her for BF. She went asked the mamasan and came out for 3 k+1 k. Even after I offered to take a cab, she took me to the bhat bus area and took that. She was super smart and we had good connection. Came to the room and things started getting difficult. She refused to shower together. No touching on pussy. No blowjob. She even said that she won't do anything and I can do what I want. She was my first starfish in the last three years. I asked her whether she wants to stop and go as kept on saying that I have only 1 hour. She said that it will be a problem if the customer complains and became a little better than a starfish. Only missionary and send her away.

Planning to hit infinity and crazy house today. Saw some good chicks out infinity yesterday.

Lesson learned: be prepared for a star fish experience when you take the best from a gogo.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2079131]Now I am no newbie to the mongering scene in Pattaya, but every trip brings a new learning. This one was no different. I want to share my top 3 learnings with my fellow hobbyists.
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Excellent field report, thanks for sharing!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2079131]Now I am no newbie to the mongering scene in Pattaya, but every trip brings a new learning. This one was no different. I want to share my top 3 learnings with my fellow hobbyists..[/QUOTE]Very nice report. Good to hear that you had nice holiday. If you have time, please post reports about in bed act with girl's.

Good luck for your next trip. Please don't try to visit during Songkran. Girls are not in a good mood for tourist.

[QUOTE]Also looked at Windmill, Electric Blue, Wildcats and Sugarbaby.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for the excellent report. Can I ask. Was the action sleazy and hands on in Windmill?

Sorry for the spelling and other mistakes. Typed on mobile half drunk. Will post from a laptop from now.

[QUOTE=PicDoody387;2079185]She was very fluent in English but was dick scared. To be fair to her, she said this upfront.

Lesson learned: be prepared for a star fish experience when you take the best from a gogo.[/QUOTE]If a girl tells out outright she is dick scared, what did you expect?

But good reporting!

Excellent summary. Especially glad to hear from a man on the ground that Soi 6 seems to be doing well again.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2079419]Excellent summary. Especially glad to hear from a man on the ground that Soi 6 seems to be doing well again.[/QUOTE]Agreed! I'll be in Pats next week and was wondering about the soi6 situation. I'm staying nearer to LK metro, but will likely wander over to soi6 one or two afternoons.

[QUOTE=SlowAndEasy;2079440]Great reporting. What is Songkam?[/QUOTE]Is this who I think it is? Welcome to ISG!

Songkran is the Thai New Year's celebration. Better known as the Water Fight Festival where you get sprayed with water or some other form of liquid while you walk down the street. The 3 day party starts on April 13 but lasts longer in some areas. It's also called the "seven dangerous days" by some due to the high death toll and accidents.

While some like Blancquiceleste base his holidays for Songkran I make sure I'm not around.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2079418]If a girl tells out outright she is dick scared, what did you expect?

But good reporting![/QUOTE]Ha ha. Yes if girl says so better take notice and look for another alternative.

I have started to ask girls exactly what they like to fuck and sometimes get some very positive answers to convince me of no great risk.

[QUOTE=Womaniszer;2079204]Very nice report. Good to hear that you had nice holiday. If you have time, please post reports about in bed act with girl's.

Good luck for your next trip. Please don't try to visit during Songkran. Girls are not in a good mood for tourist.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the complement. I am afraid I am not the one to fulfill your sexual fantasies with details of my exploits in bed.

As for Songkran, I have been visiting during this time of the year for a while now. My FR from Apr 2017 is here for reference.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2023585#post2023585[/URL]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2079131]Now I am no newbie to the mongering scene in Pattaya, but every trip brings a new learning. This one was no different. I want to share my top 3 learnings with my fellow hobbyists.

[B]Learning 1 If you are booking a condo unit for your stay, make sure you know the owner and you have personally checked out the unit in a previous trip[/B]

I booked an 8 day stay at City Garden Pattaya Condo through AirBnb. The pics looked good on the website and the reviews were positive. The person managing the booking was also very responsive and pleasant. They also offered a very relaxed cancellation policy. So I took it. When I arrived the manager welcomed me, showed me the unit and walked me through all the formalities. Frankly, I was far from impressed at the unit. It was shabbily maintained. The aircon in the bedroom was not working properly, there was dust all over the furniture, quite a few lights not working, creaky handles and knobs, a basin that was not scrubbed for weeks and a leaky water jet in the WC. The living room was sparsely furnished, a lumpy sofa with a rug thrown over it. A TV whose remote would not work. Just 2 pillows on the bed and a very thin mattress and an old duvet with a cover that had seen better days.

I decided I cannot let such poor accommodations ruin my trip, so I went online and found a good deal with LK Residence on Soi Diana. Called them, made my inquiries about the facilities and amenities and then booked it online. It was a snap. I cancelled the rest of my stay at City Garden and got a refund for 7 days. Well, at least the cancellation policy came good.

I have written a report about my stay at LK Residence in the hotels thread for those who might be interested.

[B]Learning 2 The more the merrier[/B]

In my past trips I have either mongered alone or I have been with a close friend (who isn't on this forum). And it's been fun. This time I had the honour and pleasure of meeting a few BMs on ground. Fortunately we got along pretty well and had some really memorable times.

We went around to nearly all places of interest. Gentlemen Clubs all over town, Discos, Beer Bar Complexes, Soi 6, etc. We even caught up for drinks and dinner on a couple of occasions. I had a great time and I would look forward to catching up with these gentlemen again. You know who you are. Thank you for everything!

[B]Learning 3 There is something for everyone in this city at every possible price range. So dont complain. Find your segment and enjoy there. Live and let live. And this is the meaty part of the FR[/B]

Needless to say Beach Road offers the best VFM for budget mongers. Prices can vary from 500 to 1000 for ST. Sometimes a desperate lady might even take 1000 for LT. YMMV. This is a segment I strictly avoid. I have my reasons.

A lot of Freelancers have moved online and this is great VFM source as well. But I noticed on this visit that apps like WeChat and Badoo are full of ladyboys. However, I had good success with TF. Got 3ST's in my 8 days. MO is simple, Send interest and an introductory line asking for Line contact. Shift the conversation to Line and get the girl in your room in less than 2 hours. Paid each of them 1000 + 100/200 tip depending on quality of service. All 3 were in no hurry to leave and offered 2 shots over an extended 2 3 hour time period. I also got one on WS at 4. 30 am at a Pad Thai stall. I was leaving Insomnia after witnessing a sausage fest on one of the days and stopped for some grub. Saw this cutie at the stall and offered to buy her food for her. And we wound up in bed. I paid her 2500 though as she left by 1 pm the next day.

Next on the list for VFM for me will be Soi 6. Tons of girls here, some really cute ones too if you can snare them before other customers do. The place gets going later these days but you can drop by as early as 2 pm or 3 pm and cool off with a beer. You can even get a bottle of water if you please. I don't understand why no one has mentioned about the "no alcohol before 6 pm" rule being completely ignored. There is no compulsion to buy a lady drink. But it's a good idea to get the girl one drink, then you can inspect the goods before you decide to take her upstairs. Many of the girls here have significant body damage from excessive drinking, babies, etc. Almost everyone in the trade has tattoos these days. A small one is OK but ones that cover the entire arm, or back or leg can be quite repulsive. This is my taste. Yours might differ. Prices are the same as before 300 barfine + 1000 for the girl. I went out with 3 girls during my trip. All of them solid performers so I tipped them each 100. Tips are optional.

Newbie Tip: If you really like the girl and sense some chemistry do not hesitate to ask her for LT. With the change in operating hours here, a lot more girls on Soi 6 are open to LT.

The fourth spot for VFM goes to Gentlemen Clubs. Now there are several all over town. IMHO Heaven is the best of the lot, as drinks are cheap and you get free food for a bill over 300 baht. The girls are fun and the rooms are very good. They could change the damn sofa though in the main lounge area. I had one session here and it was just what the place says it is Heaven. Prices same as Soi 6. The Den has fantastic ambience, very comfortable interiors and a good pool table. But the ladies are quite rough and they charge more. Also, they do not have rooms onsite. Club Excite on the adjoining road can be a lot of fun too. The clubs on Soi Full Love Inn (Pirates, 007 and J Club) are a hit and miss as each of them have few girls and on a busy days you could find yourself nursing a drink alone. I had a total of 4 chicks from an assortment of these clubs. All of them very good in bed. Prices same as Soi 6. I also peeked into clubs like Velvet, Booze, Pacha, Kik and a few others. Entirely forgettable.

After this at number five comes the innumerable beer bar complexes all over town. My personal favourite is Simon Complex at the northern end of WS right opposite Annabelle. The girls are fun and much less hardened. 6 of my 8 nights I have picked LTs from here for 600 barfine and 2000 3000 for the girl. And only 1 turned out to be a dud, where I cut my losses and sent her away with 1500. I was also surprised to learn that some bars here have a differential barfine system 1000 before midnight 600 after. WTF.

The other Simon Complex at the South end of WS, just after Insomnia is completely dead. I will never go there again. On 5 of my 8 days I walked around to check it out. On each day at least 50% of the bars were shut. The other 50% had very scant attendance of only mature women. Ugghhh!

There is the beer garden just outside the start of WS on the North end where I spotted a couple of cuties. Likewise along Soi 7. Nothing on Soi 8. Nothing on Soi Made in Thailand. Drinking Street always holds promise but the one time I went there I had a girl in tow so I could not really assess the place. The music there really sucks though. Walked along Soi Buakhaow a couple of times but nothing caught my eye. Ducked in small lanes that had some bars, but to no avail. Checked out the small complex of bars on 2nd road near Soi 10, spotted just one cute girl who seemed totally engrossed in her phone. So this route can be very rewarding but it takes solid legwork and patience.

Some might argue that Discos like Insomnia and Lucifer offer the best picks and are great VFM. But the prospect of staying up till 4 am or 5 am to pick a drunk chick to bang is not my idea of fun or VFM. No judgement on those who do. More power to you. You have one monger less to compete with.

I did go to the discos on 5 nights out of 8 but each of those nights I already had a girl from Simon Complex in tow. So the time spent in the disco was just fun, no pressure of picking up anyone. But there are indeed some really hot chicks here and anyone who fancies the game should come here. IMHO for picking up chicks Lucifer is good between 1 am and 3 am while Insomnia really gets going after 3 am.

Next on the list of VFM options (now this is veering towards the steep side) are the semi-Gogo bars. These are bars like Papagayo, Shooters, Tim's Bar etc. They charge 1000 barfine and the girl can ask as much as 4000 LT. They usually settle for 3000. Perhaps some BMs can get them at lower prices, good on them for their bargaining skills. I went to Shooters but the place was packed and I left soon as I was feeling claustrophobic. I picked a girl from Lisa Bar near Korea Town up North on 2nd road. One of the best performers on this trip.

And finally worst VFM option are the Gogo Bars that Pattaya is so famous for. Now if you want to buy a couple of drinks, ogle at tons of naked girls, grope a really pretty chick and get a HJ (or even a BJ on a really slow night), all under 1000 baht then these places can be fun. I visited a good number of Gogo bars this time and had a lot of fun with the girls and bought them quite a few drinks.

There are differential barfines for ST and LT at some Gogo bars. Almost all of them have a time differential pricing that normalises after midnight. The quality of girls are clearly a notch or two above any other venue. Among these, Sensations on WS stands out as a jewel. On any given day at any given time you can walk in and rest assured to find at least 8 to 10 girls worth shagging. Bachelors on LK Metro was awesome fun too. Ninja usually has decent talent but the time I went they were quite sad. Paradise simply did not live up to the promise while Crystal, Office, and Champagne were lukewarm. I had crossed off Sugar Sugar, Destiny and Queen from my list after the last trip. On WS Fahrenheit, Ginza, are Baccara are worth peeping into. Also looked at Windmill, Electric Blue, Wildcats and Sugarbaby. I really wanted to look at Tantra and Runway, but could not find the motivation. I still think What's Up has the most gorgeous girls in all of Pattaya but the place is clearly out of my league. Someday I will have that 20 K baht to blow in one night and I will have a good time there. On that note maybe Sapphire too.

I did not bother looking at the massage shops along Soi Chaiyaphoom or Soi Honey or other random streets and corners. Neither did I visit the soapies. I simply do not fancy these places.

So in summary, I had another fabulous trip. Can't wait for the next one. Songkran 2018 here I come.[/QUOTE]What a pleasure to read an actual report. Brought back memories of my last trip there. Agree that Heaven is just that. Agree that the gogos can be expensive but once you get their numbers it can work out to be much better. Agree that the beer bars are hit and miss but I have had some hits on Soi 7 and 8. Have yet to try the beach road thing so my next trip next month it is on my to do list. Agree that the discos are good fun if you have a girl. I have taken a few girls from the beer bars to discos and had a blast.

All in all, we need more reports like these. Factual, respectful and a pleasure to read. Be my pleasure to shout you a few drinks if you are there in late October.

Happy Hunting.

Best report I've seen in a while. I was in Pattaya the same time you were and will be here a few more days. Would have liked to hit a go go or two with you. I'm in my 60's. Don't know if I could have kept up with you but it would have been fun. Congrats on a great trip and sharing with others.

I might add I thought Taboo sucked as well. Far more pressure to buy lady drinks there than any place else.

What a great report. Its refreshing to read a report from a senior member like you that indicates after quite a few visits you haven't seen it all. My first time to Thailand in February and that report will be invaluable to me, along with quite a few others, to help me have a fantastic time. If your are there in early February I would love to meet with you.

Rob.

[QUOTE=Allover;2079617]Best report I've seen in a while. I was in Pattaya the same time you were and will be here a few more days. Would have liked to hit a go go or two with you. I'm in my 60's. Don't know if I could have kept up with you but it would have been fun. Congrats on a great trip and sharing with others.

I might add I thought Taboo sucked as well. Far more pressure to buy lady drinks there than any place else.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the kind words. I won't be back in Thailand before April 2018 now. A pity our paths did not cross this time. Perhaps in future.

[QUOTE=Axiata;2079610]What a pleasure to read an actual report. Brought back memories of my last trip there.

All in all, we need more reports like these. Factual, respectful and a pleasure to read. Be my pleasure to shout you a few drinks if you are there in late October.

Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]Thanks you for the kind words. My next visit will be in April 2018. Happy to raise a couple of beers and shoot some shit.

[QUOTE=SlowAndEasy;2079440]Great reporting. What is Songkam?[/QUOTE]Thanks mate! Welcome to ISG. I think BB has explained in summary what Songkran is. You can find a lot more information on the net along with with videos featuring the various Sois in Pattaya celebrating Songkran.

If you don't like getting wet and staying wet for around 4 hours in a day, don't bother.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2079419]Excellent summary. Especially glad to hear from a man on the ground that Soi 6 seems to be doing well again.[/QUOTE]Yeah! Soi 6 is a doing quite well. I am quite amazed no one reported this earlier, since the time they announced regulations a few months back. But all's well now and all praise to Buddha for his kindness.

[QUOTE=HorneeFalang;2079214]Thank you very much for the excellent report. Can I ask. Was the action sleazy and hands on in Windmill?[/QUOTE]As always, YES.

I thought this may interest some guys here who are on a bit budget conscious but still want to check out some Walking Street gogo bars. I ordered the same drink in each bar for consistency. You may not be ordering the same drink but at least it gives you some idea on which clubs are ripping us off the most. Lady drinks are fairly consistent at 150 to 200 baht per drink. Training is needed for many dancers to slow down their drinking pace.

Baccara 90.
Wildcats 95.
Air port 95.
Infinity 100.
Ginza 110.
Mandarin 110.
Nui aka Runway 115.
Super Girl 120.
Peppermint 120.
Happy 130.

Sorry I didn't hit more gogo bars I kept running into girls I haven't seen for some time. Forgot to write down prices at some bars. LK Metro was cheaper drinks. Median would be 70-75 baht.

This is totally subjective of course. For some reason Friday and Sunday was busy and Saturday was dead in almost every bar we visited. I visited some of these bars on all 3 nights.

Baccara.
Infinity.
Ginza.
Super Girl.
Air port.
Peppermint.
Bachelor. LK.
Fahrenheit
Happy.
Ninja- LK.
Nui aka Runway.
Crystal. LK.
Champagne. LK.
Wildcats.
Kaos. LK.
Windmill.
Annabelle's.
Mandarin - I don't even know why I bothered.

The hottest new girl I met this weekend was at Peppermint.

Hope this helps a bit.

If anyone wants me to check out any gogo bar in Pattaya let me know.

Thank you BB! Getting on the plane for the LOS in the morning! Depraved Noob Inbound! Can't wait to contribute a few reports from a first timers point of view.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2079896]This is totally subjective of course. For some reason Friday and Sunday was busy and Saturday was dead in almost every bar we visited. I visited some of these bars on all 3 nights.

Baccara.
Infinity.
Ginza.
Super Girl.
Air port.
Peppermint.
Bachelor. LK.
Fahrenheit
Happy.
Ninja- LK.
Nui aka Runway..[/QUOTE]

What is the problem with Mandarin club? I spent only a brief time in there, almost bar fined, but left due to expensive drinks and pushy staff.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2079131]A lot of Freelancers have moved online and this is great VFM source as well. But I noticed on this visit that apps like WeChat and Badoo are full of ladyboys. However, I had good success with TF..[/QUOTE]Pardon me, but what is TF?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2079896]This is totally subjective of course. For some reason Friday and Sunday was busy and Saturday was dead in almost every bar we visited. I visited some of these bars on all 3 nights.

Baccara.
Infinity.
Ginza.
Super Girl.
Air port.
Peppermint.
Bachelor. LK.
Fahrenheit
Happy.
Ninja- LK.
Nui aka Runway.
Crystal. LK.
Champagne. LK.
Wildcats.
Kaos. LK.
Windmill.
Annabelle's.
Mandarin - I don't even know why I bothered.

The hottest new girl I met this weekend was at Peppermint.

Hope this helps a bit.

If anyone wants me to check out any gogo bar in Pattaya let me know.[/QUOTE]It was the marathon being run early Sunday morning, all the visitor came in Friday afternoon / night to party, Saturday it was announced that bars might have to close early, certain roads were to be blocked off etc etc. Which scares people away, after the marathon back to normal on Sunday.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2079850]Yeah! Soi 6 is a doing quite well. I am quite amazed no one reported this earlier, since the time they announced regulations a few months back. But all's well now and all praise to Buddha for his kindness.[/QUOTE]I agree Soi 6 is doing quite well but it is definitely inconsistent these days. If it looks like shit one day, don't give up on it cause the next day it may be fantastic. Same applies to gogo bars too.

[QUOTE=SlowAndEasy;2079908]It is who you think it is, if you are who I think you are. [/QUOTE]Yes, it is.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2080049]What is the problem with Mandarin club? I spent only a brief time in there, almost bar fined, but left due to expensive drinks and pushy staff.[/QUOTE]I don't recall when you were last here. Maybe it has been an off night the past 5+ visits I have had at Mandarin since June. Maybe we have different taste as Mandarin is more of the traditional Thai look? Imo when mamasan left in December, 2016 and took her girls with her, Mandarin has not been good.

[QUOTE=Jsf70;2080067]Pardon me, but what is TF?[/QUOTE]Thai Friendly. An app to pick up Thai girls.

[QUOTE=Lavaflix;2079905]Thank you BB! Getting on the plane for the LOS in the morning! Depraved Noob Inbound! Can't wait to contribute a few reports from a first timers point of view.[/QUOTE]Like I said taste is subjective and by no means is this an all-inclusive list of clubs Pattaya has to offer. Club lineup in Pattaya is very elastic. I could go back again 2 nights later and find a very different ranking order. Unfortunately, I have the same taste as the Japanese. A very cute look, an Asian Farang mix girl, or a westernized look like you see in Japanese and Korean pop groups. If you prefer pre-surgery traditional Thai look like Syzygies this is no where close to the order. For traditional Thai look you likely want to start off at Sapphire. If you like the Japanese look then Sensations and Baccara are your two best bets. There are many other good clubs not on this list like Palace and Skyfall.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2080068]It was the marathon being run early Sunday morning, all the visitor came in Friday afternoon / night to party, Saturday it was announced that bars might have to close early, certain roads were to be blocked off etc etc. Which scares people away, after the marathon back to normal on Sunday.[/QUOTE]I was down on Beach Road near Soi 7 at 3 am and it certainly was lively.

[QUOTE=Jsf70;2080067]Pardon me, but what is TF?[/QUOTE]ThaiFriendly. Another dating site focused on Thailand. Has a nifty app too. But it has usage restrictions. One message every ten minutes on a free account. $20 month for membership. I used the free account as I am patient.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2080153]I agree Soi 6 is doing quite well but it is definitely inconsistent these days. If it looks like shit one day, don't give up on it cause the next day it may be fantastic. Same applies to gogo bars too.

Yes, it is.

I don't recall when you were last here. Maybe it has been an off night the past 5+ visits I have had at Mandarin since June. Maybe we have different taste as Mandarin is more of the traditional Thai look? Imo when mamasan left in December, 2016 and took her girls with her, Mandarin has not been good.

Thai Friendly. An app to pick up Thai girls.

Like I said taste is subjective and by no means is this an all-inclusive list of clubs Pattaya has to offer. Club lineup in Pattaya is very elastic. I could go back again 2 nights later and find a very different ranking order. Unfortunately, I have the same taste as the Japanese. A very cute look, an Asian Farang mix girl, or a westernized look like you see in Japanese and Korean pop groups. If you prefer pre-surgery traditional Thai look like Syzygies this is no where close to the order. For traditional Thai look you likely want to start off at Sapphire. If you like the Japanese look then Sensations and Baccara are your two best bets. There are many other good clubs not on this list like Palace and Skyfall.

I was down on Beach Road near Soi 7 at 3 am and it certainly was lively.[/QUOTE]This was the same last year, busy on days before then it goes dead. Depends where you are? My opinion people believe all the stuff they read and adjust then there are those who just don't give it a second thought or don't know and go out. I was going to the Big C extra on Pattaya Klang (Friday early evening) from the Darkside, Hwy 7, was backed up with all the people from out of town many had no idea the tunnel was finished on Sukhumvit? Once I got on the left side it took me no more than 10 minutes to get to Big C. I myself don't care what or when if I want to go out I just go out even in the heavy rain. I know how to get around and a street closure isn't going to stop me, not yet? Enjoy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2080153]Like I said taste is subjective and by no means is this an all-inclusive list of clubs Pattaya has to offer. Club lineup in Pattaya is very elastic. I could go back again 2 nights later and find a very different ranking order. Unfortunately, I have the same taste as the Japanese. A very cute look, an Asian Farang mix girl, or a westernized look like you see in Japanese and Korean pop groups. If you prefer pre-surgery traditional Thai look like Syzygies this is no where close to the order. For traditional Thai look you likely want to start off at Sapphire. If you like the Japanese look then Sensations and Baccara are your two best bets. There are many other good clubs not on this list like Palace and Skyfall.[/QUOTE]I think for a first timer, the gogo bars to visit would be.

Top end. Sensations, What's Up, Sapphire, Skyfalll.

Mid range. Fahrenheit, Baccara, Infinity, Peppermint, Supergirl, Happy.

Low end. Wildcats, Windmill, Annabelle, Sugarbaby and the numerous other joints.

LK Metro is another ball game altogether and there are very few of them concentrated in a 100 m "L-shaped" stretch. CAn cover them all in 1 night easy. Bachelor is my current favorite.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2080249]I myself don't care what or when if I want to go out I just go out even in the heavy rain. I know how to get around and a street closure isn't going to stop me, not yet? Enjoy.[/QUOTE]That is my favorite time. I have a poncho and there is no traffic out.

I will be going to Bangkok and Pattaya for the very first time next week. I plan to stay there for a total of 5 days. After reading the numerous reports, I have to admit that I am not sure what all places to visit since there seems to be quite a few options:

1. Are GoGo bars the best option for total newbies? Or soapy massages better way to start? I am asking from a stand point of negotiation so that I am not taken advantage of and also from quality of women.

2. Would I need to provide references for escort services?

3. Any tips so that I don't appear too obvious of being a newbie and be targeted?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2080153]I agree Soi 6 is doing quite well but it is definitely inconsistent these days. If it looks like shit one day, don't give up on it cause the next day it may be fantastic. Same applies to gogo bars too.



I don't recall when you were last here. Maybe it has been an off night the past 5+ visits I have had at Mandarin since June. Maybe we have different taste as Mandarin is more of the traditional Thai look? Imo when mamasan left in December, 2016 and took her girls with her, Mandarin has not been good.

[/QUOTE]I'm used to how Asians look, I like the white skinned Chinese one's but its not essential. Thai seem to be very racially diverse, something for everyone. Some look almost western and probably are the result of a deposit left by a monger 20 years ago.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2080270]That is my favorite time. I have a poncho and there is no traffic out.[/QUOTE]Places are normally empty or slow if it is raining steady but not so hard W. S. And around town is waist deep in water. I find the girls are more flexible?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2078415]I don't see the point in misleading fellow mongers because you have some weird idea that top quality girls are going for 1 k.[/QUOTE]You just don't get it. One guys idea of a pretty girl is different from another. Nothing weird at all. I was talking about finding good-looking girls for around 1500 (and even up to 2000).

That's for guys who don't like or don't care for gogo girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2078432]Photos of Pipe Layer99's girls can be found in the photo gallery thread.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/search.php?searchid=3185803[/URL][/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] You asked about Spinners. No I don't care for small girls. I like meat on the bones.
I guess a bunch of members have the same taste in girls as me. Explains all the PMs I received when I posted those a year and a half go. And that's just a small portion.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2078562]I realize I need to do some housekeeping. So here goes.
Block Pipe Layer99 - I could really do without a vain, pompous BM whose mouth appears to be bigger than his dick on my feed. Over the last 8 pages I read, there is nothing of value contributed by this BM, except for vitriolic attacks on other BM and a one note droning about how 2000 baht is the magic price for the hottest chicks in Pattaya.
Thanks to Banana Boi I have taken a look at the pics posted by PL99. Barring the one chick from Vietnam (whose face isn't visible), I can fully understand why he gets his chicks at 2000 baht (maximum).[/QUOTE]You need to clean your own house. Never-mind my posts and my opinions if you don't like it. And you can keep my call sign out of you big mouth. Feel free to ignore all of my posts.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2080270]That is my favorite time. I have a poncho and there is no traffic out.[/QUOTE]MrE and LBM, do you guys know if softball is still being played on Sundays? I brought some shoes and a softball from the states and plan on getting over there soon.

Does anyone have a recommendation for guest friendly Hotels I. Pattaya. Prefer 2nd road / LK Meteo area.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2080456]Not sure what your motive is here BB. Anyone can easily refer to the photo thread and do a search without your help. I mentioned that last week. Are you trying to help gin and tonic or ??[/QUOTE]No motive. I just helped out the guys with a reference you made in a previous thread about your photos that you wanted guys to look at.

I ask myself what your motive is attacking me and other board members who post current info about Pattaya. However, it's all cool. Whenever something gets to me I go out and get laid.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2080477]No motive. I just helped out the guys with a reference you made in a previous thread about your photos that you wanted guys to look at.
I ask myself what your motive is attacking me and other board members who post current info about Pattaya. However, it's all cool. Whenever something gets to me I go out and get laid.[/QUOTE]So guys on here need your help to review the photo galley? You don't need to help other another guy find something that is available and that was already pointed out by me. Who do you think you're kidding. I guess my other posts about how to take the baht bus, locations of soapies, getting to / from the airport etc. , are all irrelevant regarding pattaya.

Not motive on my part either. You misread and misquoted one of my posts about a week ago and me as well as another member brought that to your attention. So glad it's all cool for you.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2078562]
Block Pipe Layer99[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestion Blanquiceleste. My Thailand threads are so much cleaner now, without a lot less of that waste-of-bandwidth squabbling. I need to remember to employ that block function more often. Thanks!

[QUOTE=FishingForSome;2080464]Does anyone have a recommendation for guest friendly Hotels I. Pattaya. Prefer 2nd road / LK Meteo area.[/QUOTE]All hotels in Pattaya are guest friendly. Some may charge a joiner fee. Regarding hotels on 2nd Road / LK Metro area, please refer to the Pattaya Hotels thread. There is plenty of information there.

So now claims of getting girls for a maximum of 2000 baht for LT are being "qualified".

- Meat on the bones.

- Don't care of spinners.

- Not into Gogo girls.

Thank God we are not playing the same field. I was seriously worried about getting beaten. LOL.

Disclaimer. I thought I should black a certain BM but I did not. Serendipitous. This is turning out to be very entertaining.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2080460]You need to clean your own house. Never-mind my posts and my opinions if you don't like it. And you can keep my call sign out of you big mouth. Feel free to ignore all of my posts.[/QUOTE]Ouch! Did that hurt?

Perhaps you should focus on softball rather than telling me what to do.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2080463]MrE and LBM, do you guys know if softball is still being played on Sundays? I brought some shoes and a softball from the states and plan on getting over there soon.[/QUOTE]What the hell? Don't you think this could have been discussed via PM? Why do I have to read this dribble about softball when all I want to do is find info about Soi 6. Am I wrong to ask this question?

[QUOTE=NewbExcited;2080327]I will be going to Bangkok and Pattaya for the very first time next week. I plan to stay there for a total of 5 days. After reading the numerous reports, I have to admit that I am not sure what all places to visit since there seems to be quite a few options:

1. Are GoGo bars the best option for total newbies? Or soapy massages better way to start? I am asking from a stand point of negotiation so that I am not taken advantage of and also from quality of women.

2. Would I need to provide references for escort services?

3. Any tips so that I don't appear too obvious of being a newbie and be targeted?[/QUOTE]Hi Newb,

I'm having my first trip to Thailand in February and I'm understanding your anticipation. A few pages back a guy submitted a huge report regarding a fair bit you would want to know regarding Pattaya. I have read it a few times and it is very helpful. I'm fortunate that I'm travelling with a friend so I will have a wingman. My philosophy is going to be to pack as much as I can and visit as many different types of venues as I can. I get away by myself once a year so I make a fist out of it and go for it.

Happy hunting and looking forward to seeing your reports.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2080659]What the hell? Don't you think this could have been discussed via PM? Why do I have to read this dribble about softball when all I want to do is find info about Soi 6. Am I wrong to ask this question?[/QUOTE]Relax buddy, don't shoot your load so quick. Softball was played in the past then after the game the players went on a bar crawl to Gentlemen clubs as they are called now to places with pools. That is where the extra innings were played?

Keep those shoes handy? Softball hasn't been played for a while for many reasons. A few guys try to run it after I stepped down. They changed the date to Saturday since a number of guys played in a league in Bangkok on Sunday. As you might know we were playing on a temporary field so? south of Pattaya that field you played on since has been destroy since they are building a new stadium for a future run for the SEA games?

I been recently ask to see if I can start it up again. So I'm thinking about it but need to obtain all new equipment like bases, balls and bats. Trying to get some sponsors so I can purchased the equipment. I have a line on a number of fields that we might be able to play on particularly on the Darkside before we get kicked off. Return for the sponsorship is to advertise their bars and clubs with our players, out on the Darkside it is a good return after the game they get over a dozen players visiting for drinks,food and girls?

If my contacts are successful, with a number of GoGo owners on W. S. And owners of bar on Soi 6, as sponsors we can get some challenge game and BF the cheerleaders after the games. Stay tune? You again will have a chance to get girls for 1500 baht when others are paying much more for them when they work at night on W.S. I-Bar etc.. but that is of course up to them. I'm not taking sides.

One or two rules got to be in place, limit on beer consumption and no BJ in the dugout since it held up the game. Some guys were swinging their bats out of turn.

Alright! Finally made it last night!! Got in late to BKK around 10 after 26 hours of the hardest airline chairs I have ever experienced. Found my name in arrival hall 3 and took Tom's taxi to soi 5, my home base for the next 6 nights. Fast and easy 1000 bht trip.

Checked in at 00:00! Hurry man times a tickin! Shit, shower, shave, out the door. And into the Pouring rain!! LOL.

I could have cared less. Down to second road, turn right, there's Corner Bar! Just like in google maps! Fuck I made it!! 00:40.

Plan. Walk down the 6 and take the first hot number that comes out to get me. Nothing but "Halloooooo" until Foxy bar. My hot little number stepped into the street and reeled me in. Tiny, tattoos, piercings, a cups, and firey! She dried me off with a towel and snuggled right up against me.

I didn't waste any time. After the usual chit chat I asked her how much for LT. 500 BF 2000. Ok let's go!

Let me tell you. After 14 years of wankin through a loveless marriage this was like being born again! Two loads in 5 minutes has to be a record. "One more baby", she asked, twice. Finally got traction and had a good session. Both passed out and woke up 8 hours later stuck to the bed and a sweetheart cuddled up in my arms trying to stay warm. Fuuuuuuuck. Where have I been my whole life? Seriously.

After the deed was done she told me all about her baby, dead father, sick someone, etc. , wanting to find a long relationship. Listened to the whole thing patiently but told her "sorry, I am a butterfly and here to have fun only". She laughed and jumped on top for round two but I / he was too knackered so we cuddled to sleep. Morning blow and bye bye! She seemed to appreciate the honesty and listening.

I can see how guys want to / do retire here. I find myself thinking through the logistics myself.

That's all for day one if you can call it that. I'll report on today soon because so far it's been a soi 8 oil massage (+1) and a Sabai Room soapie (meh).

Thanks again all! Off to the gogos after a nap!

This is what we call a hypocrite. Someone who contradicts his / her stated beliefs or ideas.

"I have taken a look at the pics posted by PL99. Barring the one chick from Vietnam (whose face isn't visible), I can fully understand why he gets his chicks at 2000 baht".

I guess you are the self-appointed monitor for deciding how pretty or ugly another member's girl looks and why he can find them for 2k.
Here we go again, a Blankguy trying to judge another man's taste in women.

*There is not a single ISG member who thinks your opinion matters when choosing a girl that they like.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2079131]
6 of my 8 nights I have picked LTs from here for 600 barfine and 2000 3000 for the girl. And only 1 turned out to be a dud[/QUOTE]And now here you are claiming that you found 6 girls and some of the girls got 2k. SMDH.

You want to impress someone with the quality of your girls then post a few pictures. Anybody can claim how pretty their 2000 or 3000 baht girl was and how great she was in bed. However, where are YOUR actual pics? Photos can tell a lot about an individuals tastes and/or lack thereof.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2080636]
Thank God we are not playing the same field. I was seriously worried about getting beaten. LOL.
Disclaimer. I thought I should black a certain BM but I did not. Serendipitous. This is turning out to be very entertaining.[/QUOTE]You can't black someone. Nor can you block them. It's ignore. Good luck with that.

Here is something funny for you about the playing field. You go drink your tea / coffee and pull on you pud while I go out again tonight to find another girl in the LOS. :D

OH the perks of being able to stay and enjoy the company of ladies for an extended time.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2080760]Relax buddy, don't shoot your load so quick. Softball was played in the past then after the game the players went on a bar crawl to Gentlemen clubs as they are called now to places with pools. That is where the extra innings were played?
Keep those shoes handy? Softball hasn't been played for a while for many reasons. A few guys try to run it after I stepped down. They changed the date to Saturday since a number of guys played in a league in Bangkok on Sunday. As you might know we were playing on a temporary field so? south of Pattaya that field you played on since has been destroy since they are building a new stadium for a future run for the SEA games?.[/QUOTE]Thanks LBM. I appreciate the update. I also got a PM from MrE. I will forward you the link in case you don't have it.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2080827]You can't black someone. Nor can you block them. It's ignore. Good luck with that.

Here is something funny for you about the playing field. You go drink your tea / coffee and pull on you pud while I go out again tonight to find another girl in the LOS. :D

OH the perks of being able to stay and enjoy the company of ladies for an extended time.[/QUOTE]It is often noted that when one does not have a good come back line or useful argument, they start correcting grammar, spellings and technical aspects of the comment made. Proven again here. What a wet blanket, jeez!

Please enjoy all you want. We are clearly not playing the same field.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2080825]And now here you are claiming that you found 6 girls and some of the girls got 2k

You want to impress someone with the quality of your girls then post a few pictures. Anybody can claim how pretty their 2000 or 3000 baht girl was and how great she was in bed. However, where are YOUR actual pics? [/QUOTE]And what is wrong with that?

I am not here to impress anyone, unlike someone we both know who goes about bragging about his exploits and the the prices he pays. .

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2080825]Photos can tell a lot about an individuals tastes and/or lack thereof.[/QUOTE]Bingo! For once you got it right. Kinda explains things about you. Hyuk!

Look guys. I just don't think we should be discussing anything other than reports here. There is a general thread to discuss other stuff as well as debating. Healthy debates are good and should not be taken so seriously and personal. I personally have nothing against Pipelayer. He's a good guy and helped me out with info in the past. So I suggest everyone just cool off and get back to mongering reports. I include myself in this advice too.

Soi 6.

A little quieter than my trip in March but still fun. Stopped by usually between 2 pm and 7 pm. Bar hopped the Night Wish group bars (horny bar, toy box, night wish, sexy in the city) Lots of cute young girls to entertain you with at least one girl for every guys' tastes. BF a girl from dolls, 500 BF and 2000 tip. Tried to negotiate down but the mama wouldn't budge. This girl was my version of gorgeous though. Great fake tits. Slim body and cute face. Terrible lay though, no BJ and asked to finish in 10 minutes. Nice trophy lay though. BF two girls from one of the tip of Soi 6 near 2nd Road. Skinny tall dark hair and blonde hair, curve but still slim. 300 BF and 1000 tip. Both girls delivered on the service end. I used Soi 6/1 to sneak between the bars so to avoid the different girls I'd been drinking with of BF'ing from seeing me. It's a little dangerous. A LB tried to give me a rectal exam as I passed. Technically she got the first knuckle in so "try" might. It be the right word.

Walking Street.

Fahrenheit, Ginza, Pheromones, Iron, Sugarbaby all had great shows. Nude or top less and lots of fun in exchange for a ld (groping, kissing, grinding) Iron has a shower show where for a tip you could wash the lady's undercarriage or top. I like skinny young girls, pale skinned, no babies. Ginza, Fahrenheit and Living Dolls were my favorite, even though most of the girls were pretty tan. Ginza 800 BF and 3000 tip for st. Fahrenheit 1500 BF and 3000 tip for st. I usually didn't get to WS til midnight so many of the best girls nay have been gone. I did see several lookers already being dragged around by their dates for the evening.

Soapies.

Sabai Dai had some great looking girls at 2 pm. 2400 and the girl claims I gave her an amazing orgasm. No idea if it's true but she was wet. I was actually scared she had a yeast infection or worse. Clumpy discharge everywhere. Sabai Room, 3000. Found a girl that looks like the model photos everyone is discussing below. Dark hair, Thai features, and pale. Definitely had some surgery but with photos hop she would be identical to the girls below. Up close, lots of make up and probably near 30 years of age.

Clubs.

Checked out Lucifer twice. Couple of cute girls around 1 am to 2 am. Best lookers were there with someone already.

Wechat.

Tried we chat but most of the photos were fake, old or LB.

Food.

Tried the BBQ buffet at Hard Rock. Not recommended. Everything is burned or super well done. I was hoping for steaks but it was Brazilian BBQ style. The buffet at Central Fiesta, not the Japanese one was pretty good. Marinated steaks and pork grilled and then brought to your table. Bella Italia near Soi 6 and Central Marina food court were my favorite restaurants. Ate at both almost every day. Margherita pizza at Avenue was great for 79 baht.

Misc.

TT exchange near Central Festival usually had the best rates for USD. Bought some more tailored shirts and suits from AMA Fashion. I like their service. Hard to gage their pricing though.

Overall, great trip and definitely one of my favorite places to holiday. Lots of daytime and night time options.

[QUOTE=Lavaflix;2080799]Let me tell you. After 14 years of wankin through a loveless marriage this was like being born again! Two loads in 5 minutes has to be a record. "One more baby", she asked, twice. Finally got traction and had a good session. Both passed out and woke up 8 hours later stuck to the bed and a sweetheart cuddled up in my arms trying to stay warm. Fuuuuuuuck. Where have I been my whole life? Seriously.
[/QUOTE]Really happy for you. Sounds like you are living again and loving it!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2080852]Look guys. I just don't think we should be discussing anything other than reports here. There is a general thread to discuss other stuff as well as debating. Healthy debates are good and should not be taken so seriously and personal. I personally have nothing against Pipelayer. He's a good guy and helped me out with info in the past. So I suggest everyone just cool off and get back to mongering reports. I include myself in this advice too.[/QUOTE]Point taken. I agree I am guilty of straying away from the fundamentals. Here is a gesture and a pic of my girl.

[QUOTE=Flak3;2080901]Soi 6.

A little quieter than my trip in March but still fun. Stopped by usually between 2 pm and 7 pm. Bar hopped the Night Wish group bars (horny bar, toy box, night wish, sexy in the city) Lots of cute young girls to entertain you with at least one girl for every guys' tastes. BF a girl from dolls, 500 BF and 2000 tip. Tried to negotiate down but the mama wouldn't budge. This girl was my version of gorgeous though. Great fake tits. Slim body and cute face. Terrible lay though, no BJ and asked to finish in 10 minutes. Nice trophy lay though. BF two girls from one of the tip of Soi 6 near 2nd Road. Skinny tall dark hair and blonde hair, curve but still slim. 300 BF and 1000 tip. Both girls delivered on the service end. I used Soi 6/1 to sneak between the bars so to avoid the different girls I'd been drinking with of BF'ing from seeing me. It's a little dangerous. A LB tried to give me a rectal exam as I passed. Technically she got the first knuckle in so "try" might. It be the right word.

Walking Street.

Fahrenheit, Ginza, Pheromones, Iron, Sugarbaby all had great shows. Nude or top less and lots of fun in exchange for a ld (groping, kissing, grinding) Iron has a shower show where for a tip you could wash the lady's undercarriage or top. I like skinny young girls, pale skinned, no babies. Ginza, Fahrenheit and Living Dolls were my favorite, even though most of the girls were pretty tan. Ginza 800 BF and 3000 tip for st. Fahrenheit 1500 BF and 3000 tip for st. I usually didn't get to WS til midnight so many of the best girls nay have been gone. I did see several lookers already being dragged around by their dates for the evening.

Soapies.

Sabai Dai had some great looking girls at 2 pm. 2400 and the girl claims I gave her an amazing orgasm. No idea if it's true but she was wet. I was actually scared she had a yeast infection or worse. Clumpy discharge everywhere. Sabai Room, 3000. Found a girl that looks like the model photos everyone is discussing below. Dark hair, Thai features, and pale. Definitely had some surgery but with photos hop she would be identical to the girls below. Up close, lots of make up and probably near 30 years of age.

Clubs.

Checked out Lucifer twice. Couple of cute girls around 1 am to 2 am. Best lookers were there with someone already.

Wechat.

Tried we chat but most of the photos were fake, old or LB.

Food.

Tried the BBQ buffet at Hard Rock. Not recommended. Everything is burned or super well done. I was hoping for steaks but it was Brazilian BBQ style. The buffet at Central Fiesta, not the Japanese one was pretty good. Marinated steaks and pork grilled and then brought to your table. Bella Italia near Soi 6 and Central Marina food court were my favorite restaurants. Ate at both almost every day. Margherita pizza at Avenue was great for 79 baht.

Misc.

TT exchange near Central Festival usually had the best rates for USD. Bought some more tailored shirts and suits from AMA Fashion. I like their service. Hard to gage their pricing though.

Overall, great trip and definitely one of my favorite places to holiday. Lots of daytime and night time options.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the nice summary TR. I will be in Pats in a couple of days and glad to hear Soi6 is still kicking. I'll be staying near LK Metro and will be perusing Soi6, the beer bars, WS, and the nightclubs depending on my mood. Haven't done a soapy in Pattaya (have in BKK), but depending on timing and mood I may give it a shot.

[QUOTE=Lavaflix;2080799]Alright! Finally made it last night!! Got in late to BKK around 10 after 26 hours of the hardest airline chairs I have ever experienced. Found my name in arrival hall 3 and took Tom's taxi to soi 5, my home base for the next 6 nights. Fast and easy 1000 bht trip.

Checked in at 00:00! Hurry man times a tickin! Shit, shower, shave, out the door. And into the Pouring rain!! LOL.

I could have cared less. Down to second road, turn right, there's Corner Bar! Just like in google maps! Fuck I made it!! 00:40.

Plan. Walk down the 6 and take the first hot number that comes out to get me. Nothing but "Halloooooo" until Foxy bar. My hot little number stepped into the street and reeled me in. Tiny, tattoos, piercings, a cups, and firey! She dried me off with a towel and snuggled right up against me.

I didn't waste any time. After the usual chit chat I asked her how much for LT. 500 BF 2000. Ok let's go![/QUOTE]Great review. I had my first trip in August, and the place is intoxicating. Good job not falling for the sob story. I was not so strong.

I am planning to travel to Pattaya in 2 weeks.

Usually I do money exchange in Bangkok airport.

Is that better than the exchange centres available in Pattaya?

Where can I get best exchange rates for USD in Pattaya?

Aloha guys,

Actually first day since I had gotten in late the night before.

After a late wake up and a nice BBBJ from my LT it was breakfast downstairs (included) and out for a stroll down beach road.

I ended up taking a side trip down Soi 7 and then Soi 8 to check out some of the massage shops. I stopped at a shop on Soi 8 "Aria"? Half way down, south side of street. Couple of cuties caught my eye. I asked for the oil massage (300 bht) and was taken to a room with several beds that curtains were pulled around. It was about 11 am so not busy.

As soon as I undressed and got settled in and the curtain was drawn a group of Hindi and a Japanese man came in filling the room! The noises were hilarious and me and my massage cutie were laughing so hard I was afraid of getting in trouble but the sounds of pleasure and passion just kept on like we didn't exist! Eventually we got through it all and the hand job was better than any vagina I've ever felt. Not for the self conscious or shy!

To speed up the offer for more services just take the towel off right away and say "my balls are being tooo sweaty!" Learned that from my curtained neighbor! What does "sugoi kimocheee--eeee--ee-e-e-eeeee. Waaaaaaaahh" mean? I'm sure they are talking about the yankee that wouldn't quit laughing. Honestly though, I love you all! Final upsell cost 1000 bht for everything (great massage and he and entertainment).

Oh yeah. My LT from the night before left her bumbershoot in my room. I thought it was an innoscent oversight and thought I was being the nice guy by returning it to her at her bar. However, I got a lot of oooohhs and quite the look from her. Was I supposed to call her and set up another date? If so, oops. Whatever, and down the street I went.

Pulled into a small restaurant halfway down Soi 6, north side for 50 bht phadthai. Just like the $15 shit back home!

Next on my list was a soapy. Back to the room to wash off the oil and sweat and then over to Sabai Room. I imagine they are all the same. I won't go into details as they are well reviewed everywhere. Most interesting part is the fishbowl. That will take some getting used to especially with Igor lurking around behind you. Had a satisfying experience but for the price I had more fun at the oily. I'll be doing another oily after I finish this. The soapy was 2000, one LD, and a 20 bht tip for Igor. He wasn't amused.

Back to the room for a nap and to let my soap burnt dickhole heal.

Every holes a gogo!

My first gogo since my father introduced them to me in Manila when I was 17 (42 now). Same same different. Boner, blue balls, but this time my money. First place I wanted to hit was windmill. Finally found it after navigating the army marching down beach road (19:30), evading fleeing hookers, dodging families and their kids (WTF?) And plowing through hordes of scowling tour groups.

Noob mistake. Nice guys buy LD for everyone that asks and ends up massaging mamasan while his girls go back on stage to dance. That'd be Me. 30 min and 2,800 bht later I bailed! (Shame). Next was heaven above. Nope. Then another. Too much clothes. Etc.

Next was Annabelles. I like it nude, rude, and raunchy! This time I picked one and one only firefox, remembered my training and paced out the LDs. Had a blast! My cutie had some baby damage but her attitude made up for it 10 fold. My leg was wet and my nipples were raw. Fun stuff. She asked me for ST 1000 BF and 3000. "Maybe baby" (cheap relief early friends).

Finally left WS at 23:45 and headed back to soi 6 before closing. Avoided my last LT / bar and found a bar with a welcoming cutie. Ordered a water and an LD, groping, kissing, dancing, BF 500 LT 2000, back to the room. Hump cuddle sleep hump cuddle pay bye bye. I fucking love this!!

Things learned, er, reaffirmed from my studies.

1. Avoid old bars and girls if possible. It can get uncomfortable even though the reality is they are more butterfly than we are! Whatever. Rolling with it.

2. Remember your training. Don't let nice guy or little head call the shots. I got more respect and had more fun this way.

3. Enjoy the moment and go with the flow. Easy to say, takes practice.

There are so many details and little things I could easily write a book about it all. Wish I could get it all down here. Come see for yourselves if you haven't already!

1/3 the way through day 3. LK Metro, Devils Den (yeah, anal PSE ), then?

Oh yeah. Two plans that I have abandoned (possibly). Beach Road freelancers and TF contacts (essentially the same). Why? My career is all about mitigating risk and I am going to stick with bar girls for ST / LT simply because they have some accountability with their bars. I know they both have risks. Just playing the odds IMHO. Baby steps to the bus Bob.

I am building a Line list of girls I have experience with for a rainy day or when plans change.

Until tomorrow!

[QUOTE=SlowAndEasy;2081010]Great review. I had my first trip in August, and the place is intoxicating. Good job not falling for the sob story. I was not so strong.[/QUOTE]Yeah man. I'm having a blast! Heading out to Devils Den in a few. So stoked! Just wish I'd done this in my 20's as I am rapidly rising to my level of incompetence! Actually thinking about pills as three a day is a stretch. LOL.

[QUOTE=Flak3;2080901]Soi 6.
I used Soi 6/1 to sneak between the bars so to avoid the different girls I'd been drinking with of BF'ing from seeing me. It's a little dangerous. A LB tried to give me a rectal exam as I passed. Tried the BBQ buffet at Hard Rock. Not recommended. Everything is burned or super well done. I was hoping for steaks but it was Brazilian BBQ style. The buffet at Central Fiesta, not the Japanese one was pretty good. Marinated steaks and pork grilled and then brought to your table. Bella Italia near Soi 6 and Central Marina food court were my favorite restaurants. Ate at both almost every day. Margherita pizza at Avenue was great [/QUOTE]Agree Soi 6 is hopping beginning at 3-4 pm. Rooms upstairs at the bars are back in use. I especially enjoyed Sexy in the City. Soi 6/1 is best avoided due to aggresive LBs. Also glad to see you gave props to Bella Italia. I went there a few times and thought it was great as well. For my Western food fix I always like Tequila Reef on Soi 7. Jim's Burgers located on the street behind Central Marina Mall (parallel to 2nd Road across from Differ Club) has the best burgers I have ever eaten in Thailand. A must if you've got to have a good burger. They have a basketball hoop in front of the restaurant and you can shoot a few baskets for free if you like.

Well this has been an excellent adult adventure so far, BKK, Siem Reap and now Pattaya. After taking the 120 baht bus from bkk airport to pattaya I got settled into my hotel then immediately went out exploring the ring road I guess you guys call it. 10 baht to jump onto a blue truck with bench seating is really the way to go. After going around once you can see that adult service is really interwoven into all areas of the town. The main areas, side streets, nook and crannies. You can find action all over the place. I wanted to bust my cherry quickly so went to Honeys 1 around 4 pm. Found something I liked in the cheap area 2300 for 1. 5 hrs. She was going for that Japanese look, even had the kitty as hair pins. It was going to be my pseudo-japanese experience and it did the job. Later that night I went exploring pattaya 6 or soi 6, I'm alittle confused on street naming as some maps show "pattaya". Man, what a sleazy kinda place. LOL, I loved it, I cannot always get into areas like this but as a newbie I wanted to experience everything. I walked up and back the entire road. Did not see anything that tickled my fancy but it was fun to watch. Maybe better choices inside the bars already occupied. I took some side streets and ended up on soi 7 I believe. There was this place looked clean, more like gogo but small with good music but not to loud. I believe it was called shooter coyote. Went in to watch the dancers. Found one that gave me that tingling feeling so called her over. MILF type which seems to be my preference here. They still look very young to me. She had no tats, did not smoke and meat on the bones in all the right places. We hit it off and off we went after paying 1 k bar fee and 3 k to her for LT. She was going to be my first gogo experience if this place qualifies as one for my entire trip so far. I was well taken care of and plan to visit her again before I leave town. Made a quick trip up to Heaven's gentleman club next day. Interesting place, kinda like a FKK club but without entry fee. About 10 girls, pool area, does free bbq on certain days. Picked kitty, the youngest I have yet had on this trip. Said she was 22, very happy demeanor and I just had to get her out of her bikini. Cost was like 350 for inhouse room and 1500 to the girl. She really like DATY and had her legs high in the air allowing me access. She did a nice slow BBBJ and took the pounding afterwards. I would repeat with this one. I think I'm going to forgo the soapies for day action and visit these gentlemen's club. I've been told there are many although they are only open for day action, till 9 pm I believe.

GF.

[QUOTE=Itsal;2081026]I am planning to travel to Pattaya in 2 weeks.

Usually I do money exchange in Bangkok airport.

Is that better than the exchange centres available in Pattaya?

Where can I get best exchange rates for USD in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Common sense says that city rates are better than airport rates in any country for any currency. Thailand and Pattaya are not different.

TT Exchange has numerous booths sprinkled all over the city, usually a couple of them withing 50-100 meters apart. They consistently offer the best exchange rates for all currencies. Please do not ask what the current rate is, it will change by the time you are on ground.

[QUOTE=Itsal;2081026]I am planning to travel to Pattaya in 2 weeks.

Usually I do money exchange in Bangkok airport.

Is that better than the exchange centres available in Pattaya?

Where can I get best exchange rates for USD in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Use an ATM, which in my experience has the best exchange rates because it's directly through your bank and has no additional service fee aside from an ATM fee. Just make sure to call your bank before so they know you are traveling.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2081199]Common sense says that city rates are better than airport rates in any country for any currency. Thailand and Pattaya are not different.

TT Exchange has numerous booths sprinkled all over the city, usually a couple of them withing 50-100 meters apart. They consistently offer the best exchange rates for all currencies. Please do not ask what the current rate is, it will change by the time you are on ground.[/QUOTE]I would add that unless there is a world financial crisis, hitting all, rates are never so much different that it is worth to walk miles to find "the best".

I honestly never bother for the 1/2000 € I need to change depending on the stay.

[QUOTE=Allover;2081084]Jim's Burgers located on the street behind Central Marina Mall (parallel to 2nd Road across from Differ Club) has the best burgers I have ever eaten in Thailand. A must if you've got to have a good burger. They have a basketball hoop in front of the restaurant and you can shoot a few baskets for free if you like.[/QUOTE]Absolutely divine burgers. But a tad expensive. They have some really good selection of bottled craft beers and some great brews on tap too. But at 270 baht a pint for a craft beer on tap is way overpriced IMHO. But the place is superb to hang out, fantastic vibe.

And yes, they deliver all over Pattaya if you are too lazy to get there. ETA might vary depending on time of day and weather. They are on FB, menu and all. Cool folks.

[QUOTE=Lavaflix;2081052]Aloha guys,

SNIP

I fucking love this!![/QUOTE]What a fuckin' great report. More power to you man. Keep rocking it. Can't wait to hear how the rest of your holidays go. One life, live it up!

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2081133]Well this has been an excellent adult adventure so far, [/QUOTE]Another solid report. Thanks for the contribution. I hope some others take note and learn.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2081133]Made a quick trip up to Heaven's gentleman club next day. Interesting place, kinda like a FKK club but without entry fee. About 10 girls, pool area, does free bbq on certain days. Picked kitty, the youngest I have yet had on this trip. Said she was 22, very happy demeanor and I just had to get her out of her bikini. Cost was like 350 for inhouse room and 1500 to the girl. She really like DATY and had her legs high in the air allowing me access. She did a nice slow BBBJ and took the pounding afterwards. I would repeat with this one. I think I'm going to forgo the soapies for day action and visit these gentlemen's club. I've been told there are many although they are only open for day action, till 9 pm I believe.

GF.[/QUOTE]Kitty is a firecracker and darling of the club. I was there in PYX for almost 9 days, went to Heaven 3 times and got to spend time with her only once before I left. Always lively, fun and outstanding in bed, complies with all except A which I didn't ask for. There are about 4 or 5 girls which are doable amongst the total lot of approx 10 on a good day. Kitty is also busy with the regulars and like in FKK you have to wait for the opportune moment to get her. Other trick which I used is to get to the club when they open, 3 pm and good chances you can get the girl. The food is also decent and free if you spend over 300 baht which is fairly easy if buying drinks for a girl.

Maybe you should also pay a visit to Soi Full Love in. Few clubs and approx 4 to 5 girls girls in each club. Try 007, Jclub and maybe Pirates. I think 1 girl at Carre LE Blanc may be doable, was busy when I visited last week. Club 4 didn't have any good girls sadly.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2081246]Kitty is a firecracker and darling of the club.

There are about 4 or 5 girls which are doable amongst the total lot of approx 10 on a good day.

Maybe you should also pay a visit to Soi Full Love in. Few clubs and approx 4 to 5 girls girls in each club. Try 007, Jclub and maybe Pirates. I think 1 girl at Carre LE Blanc may be doable, was busy when I visited last week. Club 4 didn't have any good girls sadly.[/QUOTE]I missed out on Kitty while I was there as she was busy with a elderly gent who was buying drinks for several girls. That day I went with another stunner named Pepsi (I told her my name was Cock 5555). Tall, fair skin, slim, illuminating smile. Absolutely fantastic in bed, including A service. So I second Illusion's view that there are quite a few doable chicks in there. Drinks are cheap too and the food is good I hear.

AS for Soi Full Love Inn, it is always a hit and miss, simply because the clubs have so few girls in each. I got a girl named May at Pirates who was one of the dirtiest girls I have seen in a gentlemen's club. But I was not as lucky at 007 or J Club. Did not bother to loo inside Club 4 or Carre Blanc. YMMV.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2081246]
Maybe you should also pay a visit to Soi Full Love in. Few clubs and approx 4 to 5 girls girls in each club. Try 007, Jclub and maybe Pirates. I think 1 girl at Carre LE Blanc may be doable, was busy when I visited last week. Club 4 didn't have any good girls sadly.[/QUOTE]Are these clubs on bong koch 8 street? I really like taking a dip in the pool and jacuzzi after the dead at heavens. There are still several there I would like to do but might put the other places on the list for look see. Thanks for info.

GF.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2081355]Are these clubs on bong koch 8 street? I really like taking a dip in the pool and jacuzzi after the dead at heavens. There are still several there I would like to do but might put the other places on the list for look see. Thanks for info.

GF.[/QUOTE]Yes, they are on Soi Bong Koch 8. There are no pools in any of these clubs. These are small bars. Nearby M Club has a pool. Soi Full Love Inn G clubs are worth checking out. You may also want to try nearby Xzyte club on Soi Xzyte, The Den on Soi Chaiyapoon, as well as Geisha on Soi LK Pavilion.

Aloha all,

Yeah, so yesterday was supposed to be Devil's Den. However, Murphy must read this forum. Headed out into the heat and started for LK Metro. First my slipper broke. Try finding size 13's (US) when you need them. Found paper clips at a 7/11 for a temp fix. I've been walking everywhere for the exercise but it was especially hot and I was cooking so I stopped in at Culture massage on Soi. The street just north of LK with all the massage shops. Anyway, they have A/C and I've seen some good reviews. So in for a massage and a shower. First red flag. Young masseuse. She massaged me like my ex drives her, my car. Not enough oil! My leg hairs are still in knots and I feel sun burnt today! I also agreed to a he up front. I kept giving her the oil thing but still. How does one fuck up dick / oil / hand?? I called it off short before she ripped it off, showered, left. On my way to LK since I was already there.

(And day 2 massage was at "Risa" on Soi 8. Recommended. Went again this morning. Different girl, even better).

Lost all interest in DD so had a plate of curry, water, and beer for about 200 at Kilkenny across from Billabong. Chatted with some nice blokes, watched some rugby, and just relaxed.

I was going to stay until the gogos opened but I was just not in the mood. Back to the hotel. First time on a motor bike taxi. Nice!

Back at the room I hit the bed at 19:00 for a nap and woke up at 03:00 and feeling good. Fuck! Too late for anything. Or was it?

My rainy day Line contacts! Literally one call and the hottest girl in my contacts was in my room with a mini vibrator strapped to sore John Thomas and balls deep in under an hour! So much for not using Line / TF LOL. I have another set up for tonight with back up options. My lady last night was 1500st worth every last baht and the 200 tip.

Did I mention I fucking love this place!?

Tomorrow's agenda? Still have threesome and a BJ bar on my list.

Until tomorrow. Only two nights left!

I have walked past the pump stations and kittens but all three had some rough looking girls (some LB? Ladies outside King Kong, Click, etc. Looked slightly better.

Any suggestions? Online reviews are not accurate regarding kittens at all. Wouldn't touch those couches with my dog's ass.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2081409]Yes, they are on Soi Bong Koch 8. There are no pools in any of these clubs. These are small bars. Nearby M Club has a pool. Soi Full Love Inn G clubs are worth checking out. You may also want to try nearby Xzyte club on Soi Xzyte, The Den on Soi Chaiyapoon, as well as Geisha on Soi LK Pavilion.[/QUOTE]You guys really know this town. The street seems really out of the way but certainly worth a visit. I started this block of clubs at 007, chatted with the Belgium owners some and found a looker or two. Just went for exploring and really not to pop one. They gave me the price breakdown as this, 300 for room with shower, 1000 boom boom to girl or 500 BJ. The BJ price seems like a good deal as 800 is the price I paid in bkk BJ bars. Of course I'm assuming you don't have to pay for room. With room price its the same. Poked my head in most of this places that were right next to each other. It was early like 1 pm so many of the girls were just applying makeup for the workday. As a newbie I saw only a few doables but cannot see why you long timers would bother over there. I liked how most of the places had good seating for you to drink and chat with the girls in comfort, of course the aircon is nice.

GF.

Don't recall anyone mentioning this. Hit a bar and got a weird barfine structure. 300 one hour, 500 two hours, 700 LT. So much for 300/350 BF any length of time.

[QUOTE=Lavaflix;2081417]I have walked past the pump stations and kittens but all three had some rough looking girls (some LB? Ladies outside King Kong, Click, etc. Looked slightly better.[/QUOTE]Just as the owner (female) of Bliss Lounge told me, the quality of the BJ is inversely proportional to how the girl looks.

[QUOTE=Lavaflix;2081412]Aloha all,

Yeah, so yesterday was supposed to be Devil's Den. However, Murphy must read this forum. Headed out into the heat and started for LK Metro. First my slipper broke. Try finding size 13's (US) when you need them. Found paper clips at a 7/11 for a temp fix. I've been walking everywhere for the exercise but it was especially hot and I was cooking so I stopped in at Culture massage on Soi. The street just north of LK with all the massage shops. Anyway, they have A/C and I've seen some good reviews. So in for a massage and a shower. First red flag. Young masseuse. She massaged me like my ex drives her, my car. Not enough oil! My leg hairs are still in knots and I feel sun burnt today! I also agreed to a he up front. I kept giving her the oil thing but still. How does one fuck up dick / oil / hand?? I called it off short before she ripped it off, showered, left. On my way to LK since I was already there.

(And day 2 massage was at "Risa" on Soi 8. Recommended. Went again this morning. Different girl, even better).

Lost all interest in DD so had a plate of curry, water, and beer for about 200 at Kilkenny across from Billabong. Chatted with some nice blokes, watched some rugby, and just relaxed.[/QUOTE]Hi Lava,

Loving your reports. Learning heaps from your reports for my maiden trip in February. DD is on my list so to do as well. I will bring 3 pairs of flip flops so I don't have a repeat of your misfortune. Keep on living the dream.

Rob.

I don't know how you flip flop folks do it. I like to walk everywhere, but after twenty minutes in flops, my feet are done for. I opt for lightweight breathable running shoes instead. Still light and comfortable, but I can walk for days in them.

Headed to Pattaya today. Staying at Areca Lodge for four nights.

[QUOTE=Lavaflix;2081417]I have walked past the pump stations and kittens but all three had some rough looking girls (some LB? Ladies outside King Kong, Click, etc. Looked slightly better.

Any suggestions? Online reviews are not accurate regarding kittens at all. Wouldn't touch those couches with my dog's ass.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Your reports are really burning up this thread. Keep it coming man.

As Mr E points out, qiuality of BJ is usually inversely proportional to how the girl looks. Almost all places will do only a BJ, but the specialists are:

- My Friend You on Soi 6. Slightly pricey but you won't regret it. Ask for a girl named Nok. Money back if you don't like it.

- Telephone Bar on Soi Batman.

- Bar de La Poste on Soi Leng Kee.

- Carre Blanc on Soi Full Love Inn. In fact all the bars on that stretch used to be specialist BJ bars previously. Now they have upgraded to G clubs.

- Rouge on the Darkside, look at a map can't remember the Soi name.

- L O L I T A S have opened a branch on Soi Chaiyaphoom, I have peeped inside but did not partake there.

[QUOTE=NRock;2081202]Use an ATM, which in my experience has the best exchange rates because it's directly through your bank and has no additional service fee aside from an ATM fee. Just make sure to call your bank before so they know you are traveling.[/QUOTE]Maybe your bank is different but as far as I know most banks have an additional service fee for withdrawels made abroad. In my case it's around 90 Baht.
Add to that the 200 Baht fee you have to pay the Thai bank and you're looking at almost 300 Baht in total for each withdrawel. I'm pretty sure it's better for most of us to exchange cash.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2080835]It is often noted that when one does not have a good come back line or useful argument, they start correcting grammar, spellings and technical aspects of the comment made. Proven again here. What a wet blanket, jeez! Please enjoy all you want. We are clearly not playing the same field.[/QUOTE]Just proving how ignorant so-called english speakers can be. You make sure you keep going to work and saving those pennies. We know you need it. You're correct about one thing, you will never be up to my level. LOL. In the mean time, those of here will continue to enjoy to ladies.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2080825]where are YOUR actual pics? Photos can tell a lot about an individuals tastes and/or lack thereof.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2080837]Bingo! For once you got it right. Kinda explains things about you. Hyuk![/QUOTE]Lookie lookie, one of your stunners eh? LOL.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=232081[/URL]

Now if you still want to talk trash, feel free to use the PM function. In the meantime back to real posts.

For those on the ground or coming soon, LK Metro is looking good lately. The usual bars are open, and some now have better drink specials. Like 55 baht for beer and mixed drinks.

There are many new ladies in all shapes and sizes. Something for everyone. There are a few new gogos too.

Went a few days ago around 10 pm and my buddy found a nice looking honey at a bar. Usual prices as of lately depending on the bar, this place is now asking for 350 bar fine (used to be 300). He offered her 1000 for ST (next day he said he was satisfied with his selection). Before we left around 11.30, I got a text from one I have been meaning to see. Asked her to come on over to the condo for fun. The usual gymnastics followed. First drinks on the sofa, followed by a nice BBBJ, and sex in multiple positions. Everyone was happy.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2080852]Look guys. I just don't think we should be discussing anything other than reports here. There is a general thread to discuss other stuff as well as debating. Healthy debates are good and should not be taken so seriously and personal. I personally have nothing against Pipelayer. He's a good guy and helped me out with info in the past. So I suggest everyone just cool off and get back to mongering reports. I include myself in this advice too.[/QUOTE]Excellent advice BKKdog. I have already suggested to Blanq to feel free to pm. Peace my brother. Maybe catch you next trip to Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Itsal;2081026]Usually I do money exchange in Bangkok airport. Is that better than the exchange centres available in Pattaya? Where can I get best exchange rates for USD in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]The rates in town are much better. Only change enough at the airport to get you to Pattaya (about 11-1200 baht depending on who you use). If you haven't pre-booked a taxi, just go up the the next level and catch one outside.

After you arrive, there are plenty of exchanges all over. I like the ones near Soi Diana and Soi Buakhao.

The one you choose just depends on where your hotel is located or where you plan on going to have fun.

Finally got sticker shock last night. Decided to do WS gogos and pick me one for the experience. Went into Skyfall, some good lookers, nothing really knocked my socks off. Asked mamasan about barfine and she comes back with 2 levels of girls, 2000 and 3000 barfine, half off after midnight I believe she said. The girl gets 3 k or 5 k LT. So the top girl if I chose one would be 8000 baht before midnight. I have not heard these kinda prices my entire newbie existence until then. I have no trouble paying for what I want when I want it but for those prices Miss Gogo better make my heart skip a few beats. So back to the hunt again. Remembering others recommending Peppermint, I moved on towards new horizons. Got there took a sit and enjoying the show. Group change then on the stage in front me was this really cute nice bodied young thing. I kept telling myself scan the room, more gogos to see. But the eyes want, want it wants and I kept watching this pretty young thing. She had enough upstairs to stand out and thick strong legs. Just my type. Got the prices from waiter, only 1000 barfine. Wait what, well, more to my liking. Called the girl over for a LD and we discussed pricing. 3 k st, 5 k LT, well within my abilities so off we go. She spoke pretty good English and called herself Ana and says she is 19. My youngest of the trip so far. Get to my new place above Shooters on 7, she was alittle worried about entering another gogo as there is no separate entrance to rooms above. Took our showers, then got her on the bed and wow, what a sight, she is still burned into my memory now. I just ate her up, laters she says, "you like to eat", LOL, when they are that tasty, yes, I do. Really compliant and always looking you in the eyes no matter the position. She has learned fast. Anyway, soapies, gogos, gentleman's clubs have mostly been a hit in my book. I guess I'm only missing beach road FLs. 6 street scares me alittle due to the prettiest girls I see are most definitely ladyboys, hate to make a drunken mistake.

On a side note, twice now I have been told to get off those blue trucks making the loop. Is there a distance your only allowed to travel? I did not make it near one full loop before getting shooshed off. Whats up with that?

GF.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2081748]Your reports are really burning up this thread. Keep it coming man.

As Mr E points out, qiuality of BJ is usually inversely proportional to how the girl looks. Almost all places will do only a BJ, but the specialists are:

- My Friend You on Soi 6. Slightly pricey but you won't regret it. Ask for a girl named Nok. Money back if you don't like it.

- Telephone Bar on Soi Batman.

- Bar de La Poste on Soi Leng Kee.

- Carre Blanc on Soi Full Love Inn. In fact all the bars on that stretch used to be specialist BJ bars previously. Now they have upgraded to G clubs.

- Rouge on the Darkside, look at a map can't remember the Soi name.

- L O L I T A S have opened a branch on Soi Chaiyaphoom, I have peeped inside but did not partake there.[/QUOTE]Thank you mr B,

Yeah I've read about the looks vs BJ. Like the massages! LOL. Still sore.

On the other hand ain't letting no horse with foundation blow me. Haha.

Day 4 up soon.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2081807]Finally got sticker shock last night. Decided to do WS gogos and pick me one for the experience. Went into Skyfall, some good lookers, nothing really knocked my socks off. Asked mamasan about barfine and she comes back with 2 levels of girls, 2000 and 3000 barfine, half off after midnight I believe she said. The girl gets 3 k or 5 k LT.
On a side note, twice now I have been told to get off those blue trucks making the loop. Is there a distance your only allowed to travel? I did not make it near one full loop before getting shooshed off. Whats up with that?GF.[/QUOTE]Sounds like they tried to pull a fast one on you. Great that you didn't bite on that one. The most I have ever heard was 1500 for a barfine at a gogo. And yes, some places lower the barfine after a certain time. As far as the girls go, there really is no set price for them. You can talk to the girl directly and work out the price for 'her' separate from the barfine. In any case, good catch.

The baht bus, yeah they may have figured you rode long enough. If you had a certain location you were trying to get to, you could have told the driver what Soi you are looking for. But that requires a little bit of Thai. It sucks but don't sweat it. Have fun at the next location you hit.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2081655]Hi Lava,

Loving your reports. Learning heaps from your reports for my maiden trip in February. DD is on my list so to do as well. I will bring 3 pairs of flip flops so I don't have a repeat of your misfortune. Keep on living the dream.

Rob.[/QUOTE]Thanks RJ,

I totally gave up on flip flops and walking. Light weight sneakers, baht bus, and motor bikes from now on. Just too flocking humid. Keeping dedicated exercise to the evenings on beach road and push-ups during mish!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2081199]Common sense says that city rates are better than airport rates in any country for any currency. Thailand and Pattaya are not different.

TT Exchange has numerous booths sprinkled all over the city, usually a couple of them withing 50-100 meters apart. They consistently offer the best exchange rates for all currencies. Please do not ask what the current rate is, it will change by the time you are on ground.[/QUOTE]If you need to exchange money at the airport just go down at Floor B In Suvarnabhumi Airport next to the Ariport Rail Link ticket office have Value Plus Exchange http://www.valueplusexchange.com/#/ Superrich and other exchange office that offer very good exchange rate.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2081819]Sounds like they tried to pull a fast one on you. Great that you didn't bite on that one. The most I have ever heard was 1500 for a barfine at a gogo.[/QUOTE]There are gogo bars which charge 2000 BF before midnight. Been like this for over a year now.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2081807]
On a side note, twice now I have been told to get off those blue trucks making the loop. Is there a distance your only allowed to travel? I did not make it near one full loop before getting shooshed off. Whats up with that?

GF.[/QUOTE]They do a loop, therefore you are asked to get down before they loop back.

For instance the 2nd road / beach road loop ends at the dolphin roundabout at the start of WS or just a bit further as they head to 2nd road stop.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2081908]They do a loop, therefore you are asked to get down before they loop back.

For instance the 2nd road / beach road loop ends at the dolphin roundabout at the start of WS or just a bit further as they head to 2nd road stop.[/QUOTE]I never did a complete loop. It would be like I get on at 13 backstreet or 2nd street I think, then get kicked off as he turned to go to beach road. No matter at 10 baht I can pay again. All is good.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2081912]I never did a complete loop. It would be like I get on at 13 backstreet or 2nd street I think, then get kicked off as he turned to go to beach road. No matter at 10 baht I can pay again. All is good.[/QUOTE]That's weird. One day for fun, I rode the Baht bus around the complete loop, twice. The guy never bothered me, I gave him 40 baht, and thanked him Thai.

I decided to try something different last night so booked a room at the hard rock with the intent of enjoying the hotel and the pool party that night. When I checked in the receptionists were talking up the party quite a bit, saying it was going to be huge.

Last night's party was supposed to be a bit bigger than the usual pool / foam party on Saturday night because of the moon and they had brought in a few special DJs supposedly.

Cover for hotel guests was 200 baht, buying at door was 450 baht. Party ran from like 8 pm until 1 am.

Honestly wasn't near as crowded as I was led to believe. 90% of the guests were already coupled up. There were very, very few unattached females, in fact my guess is the singles ratio was at least 2 guys for every girl.

Overall definitely not the best place in Pattaya to find a girl but might be a fun place to take a favorite girl on Saturday night.

Hi all,

I'm returning to Pattaya within the next two weeks, skipping all other areas in LOS to just enjoy my newly found paradise.

Some questions to optimize it:

-Best way to get to the city straight from Suvarnabhumi? Average taxi fair straight to the hotel in central patts?

-Where in Pattaya can you find quality Viagra? I don't trust the street sellers.

-What's the average going rate for LT in the WS gogo bars now? Have any new notable Gogos opened up in the last year that I should definitely check out?

-Are things largely back to normal since the passing of the King last year?

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2082320]Hi all,

I'm returning to Pattaya within the next two weeks, skipping all other areas in LOS to just enjoy my newly found paradise.

Some questions to optimize it:

-Best way to get to the city straight from Suvarnabhumi? Average taxi fair straight to the hotel in central patts?

-Where in Pattaya can you find quality Viagra? I don't trust the street sellers.

-What's the average going rate for LT in the WS gogo bars now? Have any new notable Gogos opened up in the last year that I should definitely check out?

-Are things largely back to normal since the passing of the King last year?[/QUOTE]RTFF. All the answers are here. Why do we post? We post for nothing?? Frankly I a little miffed at these questions coming from a senior member. I just too a look at your posts and you contribute a lot in the Angeles forum. People read those reports, why wouldn't you read our reports in the Thailamd forum?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2082326]RTFF. All the answers are here. Why do we post? We post for nothing?? Frankly I a little miffed at these questions coming from a senior member. I just too a look at your posts and you contribute a lot in the Angeles forum. People read those reports, why wouldn't you read our reports in the Thailamd forum?[/QUOTE]The point here is to exchange information with people that need it (a nice thing to do and a favour I like to return), rather than be a contest of who is a more regular reader of every post for the past year. I am reading the forum and see a good amount of negative energy over the past few weeks of posts.

Every time I seem to ask a question before a trip on here: Someone like you busts out with the RFF. Spare me it and just don't answer in future.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2082320]

-Best way to get to the city straight from Suvarnabhumi? Average taxi fair straight to the hotel in central patts?

-Where in Pattaya can you find quality Viagra? I don't trust the street sellers.

-What's the average going rate for LT in the WS gogo bars now? Have any new notable Gogos opened up in the last year that I should definitely check out?

-Are things largely back to normal since the passing of the King last year?[/QUOTE]Grabbing a taxi without prebooking should run between 1300-1500 depending on your negotiation skills. Prebooking can be 1000-1300 baht. Imo you get what you pay for I wanted to punch my driver in the face yesterday. I'll stick with female taxi drivers.

The large pharmacies like Guardian I think they're called. One on Soi Diana beside LK Metro. Another near Pattaya Night Bazaar.

Search my name for any gogo information.

Yes, things returned back to normal 2 to 3 days after the King's death. This is Thailand. Sex comes first. Daughter must provide for every member of her family.

Who knows the cost of these ed tabs and if you can buy over the counter?

Hop you can advise.

I paid 1500 thb for a cab from the airport to area lodge, not prearranged. High, but likely your top end.

Took about 90 minutes mid-afternoon.

[QUOTE=Lavaflix;2081820]Thanks RJ,

I totally gave up on flip flops and walking. Light weight sneakers, baht bus, and motor bikes from now on. Just too flocking humid. Keeping dedicated exercise to the evenings on beach road and push-ups during mish![/QUOTE]Being an Aussie flip flops or as we call them thongs, are part of our national dress LOL so no problem walking in them and in my younger days even running 100 metres in 12 seconds. I agree with your new improved exercise regime of short walks looking for girls and calisthenics whilst tapping mentioned girls pussy's. I think the baht bus will cover all of the " tourist" areas I will be interested in LOL.

Thanks Rob.

[QUOTE=Hornyscot;2082391]Who knows the cost of these ed tabs and if you can buy over the counter?

Hop you can advise.[/QUOTE]You can buy the generic called Sidegra. 200 thb for a pack of four 100 MG tablets. Works just fine.

SW4.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2082349]Grabbing a taxi without prebooking should run between 1300-1500 depending on your negotiation skills. Prebooking can be 1000-1300 baht. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2082320]Best way to get to the city straight from Suvarnabhumi? Average taxi fair straight to the hotel in central patts?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2082392]I paid 1500 thb for a cab from the airport to area lodge, not prearranged. High, but likely your top end. Took about 90 minutes mid-afternoon.[/QUOTE]Pre-booking a taxi is the easiest way to handle it. 1000 baht is the far from Suvarnabhumi Airport to any hotel in North, Central or South Pattaya. Look up the web for VR Taxi, run by a guy named Keak. He is very reliable and I have used him over several years now. He does not drive himself, instead manages a fleet. Tell him what you want and he will take care of the rest. He is reachable on almost all platforms. Mail, whatsapp, line, sms, etc.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2082334]The point here is to exchange information with people that need it (a nice thing to do and a favour I like to return), rather than be a contest of who is a more regular reader of every post for the past year. I am reading the forum and see a good amount of negative energy over the past few weeks of posts.[/QUOTE]I agree the point is to exchange information, but frankly I am with BKKDog here on principle. There is no contest to determine who is a more avid reader. People post reports clearly with the intention to share information. A simple search with the relevant keywords can lead to the right answers. Think of it like a dictionary. You don't have to go through all words from page one to find out the meaning of a single word you are looking for.

There would be no negative energy if people actually read posts and asked meaningful questions. Sure, there can be a nice way to say RTFF without being too abrasive.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2082334]The point here is to exchange information with people that need it (a nice thing to do and a favour I like to return), rather than be a contest of who is a more regular reader of every post for the past year. I am reading the forum and see a good amount of negative energy over the past few weeks of posts.

Every time I seem to ask a question before a trip on here: Someone like you busts out with the RFF. Spare me it and just don't answer in future.[/QUOTE]I beg to differ. Obviously people are in Pattaya, including me last week, so it's business as usual. If you bothered to read the forum, you would see all the recent reports about punters and their exploits. Even Soi 6 is reporting to be almost back to normal. But I guess you missed that too because you didn't read. Secondly, the taxi question from the airport to Pattaya has been asked 1 million times. Prices have been discussed for ST and LT at the WS Go gos millions of times. Frankly, I didn't mind the other questions but this one was the one that really got me. The price question has been debated and discussed to death on here. Two weeks ago with 2 pages of threads. So I wonder why we post? Can I ask you kind sir? Should we stop posting and only ask and answer questions. Oh wait, if you answer questions, those answers could also so be searched.

One piece of advice I will give you that you should do is simple. If you really want the best up to date status of Pattaya and whether it's business as usual, check out you tube. There are a bunch of you tubers who post everyday with daily videos of walking street such as Bangkok 112 and Cheap Charlie. You will see the status of walking street as recently as yesterday filled with people. Both these guys even give extensive hotel reviews.

As for the King's passing, there will be a few days in October when the bars will be shut down for the King's cremation. I believe it is the 13th and maybe the 26th but I'm not sure. I don't plan to go to Pattypaya next month but if I were, I could search the forum for this specific answer because I know I read about it 2 weeks ago brielfly on the forum.

Has anyone used this agency [URL]www.thai-sexy-holiday.com[/URL] before?

The service is clear, but they want 40% advance, it's just a simple question: or they are honest?

[QUOTE=Hornyscot;2082391]Who knows the cost of these ed tabs and if you can buy over the counter?

Hope you can advise.[/QUOTE]Generic Tadalafil (box may be branded Apcalis or Tadalis) is widely available in a lot of pharmacies at 400 Baht to 600 Baht for a pack of 4 x20 MG.

As mentioned below generic sildenafil is widely available too in gels and tablets.

[QUOTE=JohnyJo;2082628]Has anyone used this agency [URL]www.thai-sexy-holiday.com[/URL] before?

The service is clear, but they want 40% advance, it's just a simple question: or they are honest?[/QUOTE]Simple answer. NO. Anyone who wants your money in Thailand before the goods are delivered is probably a con job.

Thank you Banana Boi (again), Blanquiceleste and Bkkdog for the answers. For the record, I do read (including before I posted) and pop in to the forum when I can in between trips.

The information is quite helpful but the reading in between the lines to get how the scene is, sometimes makes me just want to get to the main info. Thank you for regular postings, it does help get a picture somewhat.

The prices evolve regularly, so trying to negociate a ride with market prices from 5 years ago would leave me looking like a fool.

I could have asked more specific questions, sorry, like: Is the curfew from a couple of months ago still in place? (Rather than starting off with King's passing) Or can I still find random bars open all hours of the night, make an early pickup back to my hotel if I'm out all night.

I have happily participated in this forum for 12 years and am happy to exchange with all of you, and mean well to use any info I get and provide it back during and after my trips.

Just returned from Pattaya. Flight from Dulles (VA) to BKK on Korean Air, $1,049 RT. Korean Air offers some of the widest seats and the service in economy is top notch. Arrived in BKK at 11:30 pm. We were not impressed with "no show" of our scheduled pick-up by Pattaya Express upon our arrival at the airport in BKK. We therefore arranged alternate transportation in the pick-up area at Gate 3/4 for 1,300 baht. We arrived at the LK Empress on Soi 12 by 2:00 am. Being that it was so late, we just dumped our things in our rooms and set out for LK Metro. While the bars close at 3 am or 4 am, most will stay open to serve patrons, but turn off the lights and turn off the music. We were out drinking until sun up on two occasions. We hit the major venues; Walking Street, Soi 6, Soi 7 and 8 and Soi Made in Thailand. Had dinner in Hooters and Pattaya Beer garden, both good spots.

LK Empress: Great hotel if you're willing to pay up a little. I had a beachfront with balcony for about $90 US a night. Great pool and has a 24-hour mini-mart attached to the hotel. Very guest friendly; guest ID needed to enter. They will call you when your guest leaves, to make sure you're not tied up (literally).

Walking Street: Not impressed here. A lot of the bars in the multi-complexes are closed, most had only a few customers. Bacarra, which we always enjoy has really gone down hill as far as quality goes.

My personal preference is Soi 7 and Soi 8; followed by LK Metro. Recommend Billabong Bar in LK Metro.

Soi Made in Thailand: This was our first time to this bar complex. It was fun to check out and is close enough walk to Soi 8 and 7 from MIT.

Pattaya Beach looked a bit cleaner on this trip, but still wouldn't set foot in it.

Weather: There was only one rain that kept is in a bar for about an hour while we were on Soi 8. The street had about 6" of rain that eventually all drained down onto Beach Road.

Bar fines: Generally, 300 baht in beer bars, 700 baht in go-gos.

Overall: Pretty quiet as it is still "slow" season. Most locals say it picks up in October when the rainy season ends.

[QUOTE=JohnyJo;2082628]Has anyone used this agency [URL]www.thai-sexy-holiday.com[/URL] before?

The service is clear, but they want 40% advance, it's just a simple question: or they are honest?[/QUOTE]I used the agency. You can read my report on it from a while back. They are trustworthy. I didn't pay anything in advance. Contact the person in charge through emails, because I don't think they take anything in advance.

[QUOTE=JohnyJo;2082628]Has anyone used this agency [URL]www.thai-sexy-holiday.com[/URL] before?

The service is clear, but they want 40% advance, it's just a simple question: or they are honest?[/QUOTE]Even if they're entirely honest, you don't need to pay someone 1200 euro for 7 days (6800 baht / day) to hold your hand and provide you with a hotel plus a LT girl in Pattaya. I cannot imagine that they provide any added value. In fact, they'd provide negative value since you won't be able to explore (look for girls) on your own, and if you have any issues with the hotel or the girl, there's a limited number of things they can do.

Some places to monger are not particularly accessible, and guidance could be useful, or even necessary, to get the most of your experience. But Pattaya NOT one of those places. It is so easy and cheap that such an arrangement is completely unnecessary.

There is absolutely no need to pay anything in advance. In fact, given that in Thailand you usually pay the girl after the act, and hotels day-by-day, means that they're far out of line for asking it (except maybe for a small deposit covering the airport pickup).

Aloha all,

What a great end to my first mongering trip ever.

I could not keep up the drinking, shagging, and posting. Something had to give! Blurry recap of my last three days or what I can remember in no particular order.

I was really surprised to get some real heat off of the Soi 6 girls for being a "butterfly". I just don't get it. Honestly I could give a fuck and started off ignoring the BS but in street confrontations and tug o war with me stopped being funny fast. Certain bars went off limits fast which was a shame because I wanted to try half the gals in Toy Box for example. You look at line postings and a lot of them are "my world is ending, so sad about life, man fucking lie what for, etc. " Really weird and bad for business since they are 10 x the butterflies we are. LOL. Whatever.

Also. BFed a LT from toy box and she was telling me about her baby and showing me pictures of her with her "daughter". This bar girl, Pu, was tight! Tight skin, no scars, tiny pink innie nipples, zero baby damage. Are they using other girl's kids to get money? Wow. Whatever. Get naked and shower please cause imma going to eat you into a quivering mess to help you get over it. And she did.

Any suggestions on dealing with the above for my next visit would be most appreciated.

Two more goals. One accomplished, one not. Devils Den. Just didn't get to do it I guess for two reasons. First, there is just so much cheap grade A pussy out there it isn't necessary. Second, I prefer the GFE style of treating the girls really well, long DATY, cuddling, "sweet talk", food and movies, etc. Come to think of it, this may be part of my troubles on 6.

The other goal was a BJ bar. Not a high goal but one none the less. Went with Nok at My Friend You (good suggestion Mr B). Looked passed, well, Nok (super sweet) and just did it right there on the public couch. She's like "take pants off" I open them up. "No, off baby" I slide them down a little more. Eww the couch! "No baby, like this" Woosh! Bye bye pants, Hello, nasty couch stuck to my anus. All in all she did a great job. Saliva and cum all over the place. Just had to zone out and accept the situation. LOL. 5 out of 10 (8 for Nok's skillz).

Other than that there were two more ThaiFriendly meetups at 1000 and 1300st each. More oil massages at Risa on soi 8. Fantastic every time at 1000 each and the girls would "fight" over me after the first visit loved it. One of them even came to my place for a quick st fuck and run before the LT main event arrived later.

My Grand Finale was a TF no show on the last night! Wuuuuuut? Meh, Down to Walking street I go. I love the windmill, sugar, babies, Annabelle's outfit. All three same same. Nude rude and slutty! Stopped in at sugar babies first at 20:00 and started off as the only customer for the first 10 minutes. Weird.

A little tiny cute thing, A cups, white skin, long brown / blonde Japanese hair look 90 lbs max, big eyes, devilish smile, and a dirty little mouth! Forgot the 3 finger vag gap while standing! Immediately started staring at me and flirting when I sat down and she stood out from the crowd. Signaled her to see me, started the LDs (draft was 55, don't remember the LDs, sorry) and bought a (one and only one) round for my server and mamasan. When not dancing it was a slow super sexy grind on my lap with whispers in my ear like "you like eat my pussy? "my pussy want eat your cock", etc. All in the sweetest little voice and eyes you can imagine. When she danced that vag gap was in its full glory with the same slow gyrations lifting that micro skirt revealing the white panties all stuck up inside and that little imp grin looking back at me over her shoulder. Wanted to hold off till after 24:00 in hopes of a 1000 BF But fuck! Rise and shine we are out of here! Didn't want to take the chance of losing her.

Unrelated. Strange thing in SB. A Korean tour group stopped by, older, husbands and wives. Watched and nodded in approval like admiring a museum exhibit. Eventually someone raised a flag and they all got up, the wives approached the girls on stage, gave them all 20 bht and left. LOL. OK.

Out with my sugar baby by 21:30 dressed like a pink China doll for a bite to eat and back to the hotel. BF 1500 LT 4000. The most I payed the entire trip but the last of 6 nights so WTF!

Had a massage that afternoon so wasn't desperate even with the perma chub she was giving me. Treated her like a princess. Nice taxi for eats and then the hotel. Super long slow DATY had her up the walls. Jumped on me like I was going somewhere and off we went. Thought I was going to split the tiny thing in half but she shoe horned herself on and we banged hard for a long time (for me anyhow), mish, CB, RCB (OMG the view! Finished in DS across that tiny smoking ass! I can still see that devilish grin, picking the cum out of her hair and licking it off her fingers before sucking the last out of me, condom goo and all. Showered off and we fell asleep all cuddled up for a couple hours. Alarm at 5. Shock and awe as I gave her the boot. Taxi to BKK by 6.

Totally fucking worth it!

I will be back.

After an 18 hour layover in Singapore (on purpose. See Singapore forum for reports), I arrived in Thailand on Saturday late afternoon. As mentioned, I didn't pre-arrange a taxi to Pattaya, but had no issue getting one at the taxi stand and paid 1500 thb. Yes, I overpaid and could have saved a couple hundred baht, but in the whole scheme of things, not a biggie. The driver was efficient and got me to my destination in good time, so no complaints really. I'm staying at the Areca Lodge near LK Metro in the 'Evergreen' building. Good and bad. The good is that it's set way back from Soi Diana so the noise from LK Metro and associated bars / nightlife doesn't filter into my room at all. Its very quiet. Also good, there are 2 nice pools, one big one right outside my building, and a smaller one nearer to the main Areca building. The bad. Only a minor inconvenience, but the taxi dropoff for Areca Lodge is a good 5 min walk from the Evergreen building if you can't convince the driver to drop you at the 'back entrance'. I was successful the first night, but subsequent nights the driver was clueless or unwilling to go down the alley and turn left to the other dropoff / entrance. Also, as previously mentioned in the Pattaya hotel thread, Areca is guest friendly, will take girls ID cards on entry but no call when they leave, and does charge 500 thb per guest if you bring more than one guest.

Saturday night. I pondered a trip down to Soi6 to whet my whistle, but it was getting later in the evening and I wanted to wander LK Metro and Walking Street. Started out at LK Metro and went to several of the GoGo's as I had a good time there last trip with a buddy. The scene was decent, but it was earlyish (930 pm) - overall the quality of the girls was good, but I wasn't feeling the vibe all that much as it wasn't that busy, so I decided to head to WS for a looksee. I started at Skyfall to get some airconditioning and a drink. Not my favorite club by any means, but when you need a drink and to cool off, it hit the spot. Over the course of the evening I hit Baccara, Farenheight, Windmill, Crazy House, Infinity, Happy, Heaven Above, and a few other randoms that I don't remember the names of. Spent the most time bouncing between Windmill and Crazy House. Started upstairs at Windmill as it was packed downstairs and met a nice girl who entertained me for a good hour or so. It was still way too early for me to consider a barfine (11 pm by now at the latest), but she and the mamasan were working me pretty hard. I stepped out and went to a few other gogos to mix things up for a bit before returning to Windmill and taking a spot downstairs. I waved over a girl that fit my spec and she immediately came over and brought one of her friends. Cute as well. After a round of drinks they had to go dance, and like clockwork another set of 2-3 girls came by. I was the classic rock-star to them. Loose with my money and the drinks were flowing. I know I'm just an ATM to them and the house, but it was fun and I enjoyed a TON of mutual groping, making out, pussy play, etc. This went on for another 90 mins or so until a buddy called me and I had to step out to take his call. I bid the girls goodbye and said I would be back (maybe) later. I took this opportunity to check out Lucifer and iBar as it was starting to get to the hour that these venues pick up the pace. Lucifer was packed and the ratio was pretty guy heavy, so I skipped out pretty quickly. IBar was a bit better, definitely more ladies than guys, but still had a pretty slow vibe to it. I figured what the heck and headed back to Windmill to see which of the posse of 8-10 girls I had picked up would be my choice for the night. Turns out I didn't really have to make that choice since as soon as I walked back in, the original girl ran right over to me, grabbed me and escorted me to a booth. She called over another of her friends (not one from before) to join us and we immediatley started a three way makeout session. I will refer to the girls as 'hot girl' for the original girl that came over, and 'new girl' for the other one since I have no recollection of their names or numbers (if they even have numbers at windmill). The new girl was a bit more timid, but once she relaxed she was as into it as the other girl, if not more so. The other girls from earlier kept coming by to get in on the action, but I was pretty set on the choice I had and the girls were playing territorial at this point. Mamasan comes over and asks if I want to barfine one or both of them, and I opt for both. Yay! They both cried out when I said that and also bought a round of drinks for them, the waitresses, and the mamasan. We negotiate 2500 thb each for LT at my hotel and they go get changed. I settle up with the house and give my apologies the half dozen other ladies who I left disappointed.

We leave the club and the girls are hungry, so we stop at a street food stall and grab food. Generally I expect the girl (s) to ask me to pay, but hot girl pays and we're on our way. Its starting to rain so I decide we'll get a 'regular' taxi and eat the extra cost. Driver understands 'back entrance' to Areca and drops us at the correct entry. Girls check in, I pay joiner fee for new girl, and away we go. Hot girl immediately gets undressed and is parading around the room naked as the day she was born. New girl is a bit more timid, even a bit shy, and goes into the bathroom to change and puts on a towel. We adjourn to the patio to eat and have a beer before hitting the shower. Again, new girl is shy and wants to shower alone, after hot girl and I shower together. Not a problem. As new girl was washing, hot girl and I get started on the bed. Ding #1 - she only will give CBJ as she says she has a sore in her mouth. Better safe than sorry, but disappointing. Ding #2 - hot girl is crazy, in a good and bad way. She might have been on something or just really drunk and hyper. She wanted to fuck, but kept changing positions every 30 seconds and making it chaotic. New girl joins us on the bed so I switch things up and focus on her. She's much more receptive to the attention and responds well to DATY as well as gave a nice BBBJ. After her BJ, hot girl caps me again and jumps on while I attend to new girl's pussy with my tongue. I switch focus back to new girl as she seems much more interested in sex than just fooling around. Hot girl goes over to the couch and was sitting legs up spread eagle telling me she wanted me to fuck her- while I'm fucking her friend. Crazy stuff. I end round 1 with the new girl and we clean up and go back to the food we hadn't finished. Round 2 starts shortly after a quick shower on my part. Less crazy as the first round as I think the food calmed down the hot girl, but similar. I alternate focus betweent the two girls and end up popping with the hot girl this time around.

I had arranged LT, but at this point we're 2 rounds in and it's nearly 7 am, so I make the call to send them on their way and sleep alone. I give them each 100 thb for cabfare and hit the sack exhausted.

Refreshed after sleeping until 1 pm, I decide to get some food and head to Soi6 to see how things were there. I take the baht bus and get there around 145 pm. Girls in most of the bars but all the lights off. I wander down all the way to Beach Road and grab a beer at the bar there on the left. Guy tells me that he can't sell me a beer until 2 pm unless he puts it in a cup. He just brought me a bottle of beer anyway, so whatever crackdown / hours restrictions are pretty loosely followed. After my beer I decide to wander back up and see if things had picked up any in the 30 mins or so since I last wandered by. They had a bit; more girls, more customers, and some lights and signs of activity starting to pick up. I stop in to Red Point to get a beer and some airconditioning. I'm joined by a not so hot girl who wants to chat, and I figure why not, I'm not going upstairs with her though. I finish my beer and keep going. I reach Lisa Bar and I spot a girl who fits my current mood. Petite, cute smile, and a nice ass. I stop in and order a beer and a drink for her and we start chatting. Blah blah blah, she's new (only 1 day in Pattaya), etc. Whatever, I'm fondling her ass, checking out her chest, and testing if I think she'll be worth the trip upstairs. She's rubbing my leg and junk, so things look promising. We go upstairs (300 thb for room, 1000 to the girl. At Lisa Bar they asked me to pay all upfront. That was new to me) and the SOP stuff. Off to the shower and then the room. I made a good choice. No baby damage, small but perky natural breasts, and the ass looks as good naked as it did with her sexy outfit on. We makeout for a few minutes and then she puts the cap on me. No BJ at all, just jumps right on top of me. For the first 10 minutes I felt like I was her sex toy, she rode and ground on me like there was no tomorrow until she collapsed ontop of me shuddering. She kisses me and thanks me before we flip over for some missionary and finish in doggie. I had to see that nice ass as I finished things up. We shower and kiss on the way out before I leave.

I go back to the room with the mindset of taking a nap, but I'll be damned if my mind kept wandering to the prior days events and I kept getting an erection that kept me from getting to sleep. Its probably 530 pm or so, and I say 'fuck it' and head back to Soi6 - this time looking for some bigger natural boobs. I wander for a while, fighting off an aggressive ladyboy from one of the bars on the other side of the street who had a vicelike grip on my arm at one point. As I pass by Angel Witch I spot my next target. Very fair skinned, 5'3" tall, with what appear to be nice natural see-cups. I say appear since she was wearing a bra, but my goal was to find out if they were real before we head upstairs. I get a drink for each of us and start exploring. From what I could tell from the early intel is that they were in fact real, but not quite as big as advertised due to a padded bra. Oh well, she's still cute and funny (decent english) so I put a marker in my head. If she touches my junk BEFORE she asks if I want to go upstairs, then it's a go. Bingo! And up we go. Similar to earlier only this time I showered solo (she was shy). We started on the bed and made out for abit before I started exploring her nice natural breasts and flat tone stomach. I made motions of DATY and she tensed up before grabbing a condom and motioning me to fuck her. Who am I to disappoint a hot young naked lady? As with the girl earlier, she was very sensitive and either she had an orgasm or she's a great actress with control of her vaginal lubrication on demand. After a short bit of missionary, we switched to cowgirl and she rode me like no tomorrow before doing this strange purr / moan sound. She wasn't a squirter, but she did produce a large volume of secretions and I was pretty wet from her. We mixed it up with several postions before finally popping in modified chair- I had to see her nice natural rack as I finally finished.

I lucked out both times. Often Soi6 encounters are VERY mechanical and SOP, but I chose 2 girls that were not the norm.

I'll post the evening report later. I need to go get my dick sucked.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2082993](except maybe for a small deposit covering the airport pickup).[/QUOTE]Even that is always paid for at the end of the ride when you reach your destination.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2083077]...but no call when they leave,

Started out at LK Metro and went to several of the GoGo's as I had a good time there last trip with a buddy.

Over the course of the evening I hit Baccara, Farenheight, Windmill, Crazy House, Infinity, Happy, Heaven Above, and a few other randoms that I don't remember the names of. Spent the most time bouncing between Windmill and Crazy House.

We negotiate 2500 thb each for LT at my hotel and they go get changed. [/QUOTE]I stayed at Areca in April and they called each time the girl left. Standards must be slipping.

Whoa! What a start. Nearly a dozen Gogo bars in one evening. I am not going to embarrass myself by asking what your damages on drinks were. Sounds like it really does not matter much.

2500 baht each for LT from a Gogo (even if it is Windmill) is fantastic. Great job on the negotiations.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2083084]No BJ at all, just jumps right on top of me.

I made motions of DATY and she tensed up before grabbing a condom and motioning me to fuck her.

I'll post the evening report later. I need to go get my dick sucked.[/QUOTE]You are indeed a gentleman. Am sure you have read all this before here, but on Soi 6 the girls have seen it all. Ask for everything you want upfront before you take the girl upstairs. That way there will be little or no surprise.

If you are in the mood for a proper BBBJ refer to the numerous reports here discussing BJ bars. Let a specialist handle the family jewels.

Drink damage was a few thousand baht that night. Most bars I did a one and done to see what the scene looked like, with minimal if any lady drinks. Only when I'm settled did I break out the rock star routine and make it rain drinks.

I was pleased with the LT rate, and I didn't mention barfine was 750 baht each. Seemed overall a decent rate.

As for soi6 - agreed on strategy. I'm a go with the flow kinda guy most of the time; like to see what happens. I try to only go upstairs with girls I get a good vibe from. If no DATY or BJ, so be it as long as the interaction is good as well as the sex.

I'm honestly not really a BJ guy, sex is the main event for me and I don't mind skipping the blow. I'll gladly trade a bj for a good dfk session any day.

Just got back from probably my best soi6 adventure ever, will post when I get caught up. Incredible GFE experience with a girl at wicked. Checked all the boxes, make out session, BBBJ, daty, she orgasmed at least twice, and great sex.

I'm going to revise that drink damage up to several thousand baht based on my night so far. Honestly I don't count my baht that closely and have probably spent 80,000 baht so far in 4 days not counting hotel, but that's how I roll. I like to party with lots of girls getting friendly and have no problem buying drinks for the wait staff, mamasan, and random hotties that want to make out.

FormulaOneFan.

Thanks for your trip reports, they are very informative so a big help as I'm going for first time in Jan. I've been to Thailand before incl Bangkok and Phuket so RTFF is a must as most of the info is here.

Looking forward to the rest of your report and enjoy.

Bogman.

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[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2083084]
I lucked out both times. Often Soi6 encounters are VERY mechanical and SOP, but I chose 2 girls that were not the norm.

[/QUOTE]I love Soi 6 and have had my best encounters with girls there. A few are lazy, but only there have I had GFE's, near GFE's and near PSE's. Some of those girls can go and go and go and they take your pleasure very seriously. Most are average in appearance, but as you found, if you keep your eyes open, you can find some real hotties who will rival most any WS gogo girl. Sigh, I will be back in under 5 weeks!

I have been remiss finishing my reports. My laptop charger is borked so I'm rationing battery. I have more to post and will do soon.

In Singapore now. Hard to adapt to the difference from Pattaya to Singapore.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2081807]Finally got sticker shock last night. Decided to do WS gogos and pick me one for the experience. Went into Skyfall, some good lookers, nothing really knocked my socks off. Asked mamasan about barfine and she comes back with 2 levels of girls, 2000 and 3000 barfine[/QUOTE]L.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2081868]There are gogo bars which charge 2000 BF before midnight. Been like this for over a year now.[/QUOTE]News to me, and I live here.

GoneFishin walked away from that bad deal. Good for him. More important, are other guys so hard up that you are willing to pay a 2000 baht BF?

I think most guys will use common sense and go to another place.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2083862]I have been remiss finishing my reports. My laptop charger is borked so I'm rationing battery. I have more to post and will do soon.

In Singapore now. Hard to adapt to the difference from Pattaya to Singapore.[/QUOTE]Thanks for reporting. I think that Soi6 is the best bang for the buck (pun intended). I liked LK metro as well and I enjoyed just hanging out at some of the beer bars. The quality at the beer bars are very low, but you do find an occasional gem or two.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2083892]L.

GoneFishin walked away from that bad deal. Good for him. More important, are other guys so hard up that you are willing to pay a 2000 baht BF?

I think most guys will use common sense and go to another place.[/QUOTE]If there is another place that has the type of girls he is looking for, then yes, by all means, go someplace else. Don't spend just to be spending! And I have followed advice similar to yours about passing on an alleged overpriced girl. Girl wanted 5000 (BF and her fee) and I, using my "common sense", wouldn't budge above 3500 total. She would not budge either. You would be proud. I left and, yea, saved me $50 by doing so! I showed her! Yep, I passed up a hot, beautiful girl that was making me drool, real model material, a potential porn star! I went elsewhere for cheaper. But there was nothing else like her for the price. But, I came home with an extra $50 in my pocket. But no super hot, beautiful girl! I let my "common sense" rule. And I regret it to this day. I was actually a fool to pass her by.

Why do we go to Pattaya? To have sex with beautiful woman for cheap. We spend a fair amount of money to travel there and to stay there for that opportunity. On a vacation to the other side of the world, $50 is nothing. Passing up on the opportunity to fulfill the goal of your trip, having sex with beautiful women, just to save a few bucks, to me, shows a LACK of common sense. If this was a scuba diving trip, would I be showing good common sense by deciding to save $50 by visiting a dying reef instead of the healthy reef? I don't think so.

That said, I understand your view point. But you need to accept the alternate view of the occasional Pattaya traveler. Certainly, don't overpay! My advice is to shop around and see what is out there before you drop in excess of 5000 baht on a girl each night. There are bargains to be found off of WS. BR occasionally has some lookers. Soi 6 often has a couple of girls that are as good as any on WS and who will give a near GFE. But if a man finds that girl that makes his jaw drop to the floor, he should not let an added $50 or even $100 stop him.

Hi all,

I am planning to visit Pattaya from 27th October to 31st October 2017. I heard that there is a royal funeral from 26 to 29 October; Would all establishments will be closed? Should I change my travel plans? I am really confused because I am getting mixed information. Some are stating that only Bangkok will be closed on 26th and rest of the country will be OK. Others are saying that everything will be closed from 26 to 29. Please provide some guidance.

Thanks!

McFuck.

The simple answer is that nobody knows what will be open and what will be closed. Nothing has been announced officially. But my guess is that most will be closed for a few days around 26 October. As a pointer towards that all Thai TV channels will be running special programs already from 25 October.

But again it is only a guess.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2083988]Hi all,

I am planning to visit Pattaya from 27th October to 31st October 2017. I heard that there is a royal funeral from 26 to 29 October; Would all establishments will be closed? Should I change my travel plans? I am really confused because I am getting mixed information. Some are stating that only Bangkok will be closed on 26th and rest of the country will be OK. Others are saying that everything will be closed from 26 to 29. Please provide some guidance.

Thanks!

McFuck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=McFuck;2083988]
I am planning to visit Pattaya from 27th October to 31st October 2017. I heard that there is a royal funeral from 26 to 29 October; Would all establishments will be closed? Should I change my travel plans? I am really confused because I am getting mixed information. Some are stating that only Bangkok will be closed on 26th and rest of the country will be OK. Others are saying that everything will be closed from 26 to 29. Please provide some guidance.
[/QUOTE]I don't think anyone knows. This is new territory for all concerned, including Thais. I suppose it depends where you are visiting from and whether going to Pattaya is your main reason for travelling. I personally wouldn't go there but that's just me.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2083940]If there is another place that has the type of girls he is looking for, then yes, by all means, go someplace else. Don't spend just to be spending! And I have followed advice similar to yours about passing on an alleged overpriced girl. Girl wanted 5000 (BF and her fee) and I, using my "common sense", wouldn't budge above 3500 total. She would not budge either. You would be proud. I left and, yea, saved me $50 by doing so! I showed her! Yep, I passed up a hot, beautiful girl that was making me drool, real model material, a potential porn star! I went elsewhere for cheaper. But there was nothing else like her for the price. But, I came home with an extra $50 in my pocket. But no super hot, beautiful girl! I let my "common sense" rule. And I regret it to this day. I was actually a fool to pass her by.

Why do we go to Pattaya? To have sex with beautiful woman for cheap. We spend a fair amount of money to travel there and to stay there for that opportunity. On a vacation to the other side of the world, $50 is nothing. Passing up on the opportunity to fulfill the goal of your trip, having sex with beautiful women, just to save a few bucks, to me, shows a LACK of common sense. If this was a scuba diving trip, would I be showing good common sense by deciding to save $50 by visiting a dying reef instead of the healthy reef? I don't think so.

That said, I understand your view point. But you need to accept the alternate view of the occasional Pattaya traveler. Certainly, don't overpay! My advice is to shop around and see what is out there before you drop in excess of 5000 baht on a girl each night. There are bargains to be found off of WS. BR occasionally has some lookers. Soi 6 often has a couple of girls that are as good as any on WS and who will give a near GFE. But if a man finds that girl that makes his jaw drop to the floor, he should not let an added $50 or even $100 stop him.[/QUOTE]Don't bother explaining. You cannot wake up someone who is pretending to be asleep.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2083988]Hi all,

I am planning to visit Pattaya from 27th October to 31st October 2017. I heard that there is a royal funeral from 26 to 29 October; Would all establishments will be closed? Should I change my travel plans? I am really confused because I am getting mixed information. Some are stating that only Bangkok will be closed on 26th and rest of the country will be OK. Others are saying that everything will be closed from 26 to 29. Please provide some guidance.

Thanks!

McFuck.[/QUOTE]The bars and Gogos may be closed on those days. Nobody knows exactly what will be the scene. But I am sure there will be plenty of FLs available on Beach road. You can even find some hot ones on Thaifriendly or Wechat.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2083940]If there is another place that has the type of girls he is looking for, then yes, by all means, go someplace else. Don't spend just to be spending! And I have followed advice similar to yours about passing on an alleged overpriced girl. Girl wanted 5000 (BF and her fee) and I, using my "common sense", wouldn't budge above 3500 total. She would not budge either. You would be proud. I left and, yea, saved me $50 by doing so! I showed her! Yep, I passed up a hot, beautiful girl that was making me drool, real model material, a potential porn star! I went elsewhere for cheaper. But there was nothing else like her for the price. But, I came home with an extra $50 in my pocket. But no super hot, beautiful girl! I let my "common sense" rule. And I regret it to this day. I was actually a fool to pass her by.
Why do we go to Pattaya? To have sex with beautiful woman for cheap. We spend a fair amount of money to travel there and to stay there for that opportunity. On a vacation to the other side of the world, $50 is nothing. Passing up on the opportunity to fulfill the goal of your trip, having sex with beautiful women
That said, I understand your view point. But you need to accept the alternate view of the occasional Pattaya traveler. Certainly, don't overpay! ...
But if a man finds that girl that makes his jaw drop to the floor, he should not let an added $50 or even $100 stop him.[/QUOTE]I understand your view point. I don't think you were not a fool at all in passing on that girl. You went with your gut instinct. That's the overriding factor. We must trust our gut feelings.

Some good points stated above. Thumbs up for acknowledgement. You seem have your head above water and it appears that you know what you like.
I will offer 2 words of caution. Just take my comments for what they are worth. No need to dissect them.
No need to regret passing up an over-priced girl. Why?
Two reasons. #1, like you said, we come here for sex with beautiful women for cheap prices. 5000 baht is a lot of money to THEM (not for us). Just think about it. That's 33% of a month's pay for them. Something to think about from a different perspective.
Plenty of other pretty girls who can fit the bill. Maybe not that One girl, who got away, but still good looking, and GFE. Easy to find here. So don't regret it at all. Keep the train moving for the next one.
#2 and equally important. That sexy girl who got away, she may very well have been lackluster in bed. When that happens to you for the first time (and it has happened to many of us), you begin to think a little differently about the one who got away. And you also rethink about that $50 bucks. It all of a sudden becomes a waste of money.
Time will teach the valuable lessons. Take it for what it's worth.

I need to have chemistry with the honey. No matter how pretty she is, or thinks she is. There is no correlation between her beauty and her performance in bed.
So don't over-think it, and never allow her to think that she is head and shoulders above the rest. That's a recipe for disaster. The best performers I have had, were not the 'MOST' beautiful. They were pretty IMO, and I have no regrets on passing up the stunner.

The 2 times I took the best looking girl (in 6 years) was NOT worth it. Premium price and mediocre performance (ended up paying those two 1500 to leave, plus the the 1000 baht bar fine).
That must have been 4 years ago. Now I just pass on those types of girls. No regrets. I go with my gut.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2083940]If there is another place that has the type of girls he is looking for, then yes, by all means, go someplace else.

But if a man finds that girl that makes his jaw drop to the floor, he should not let an added $50 or even $100 stop him.[/QUOTE]Good logic and aptly described, even I wouldn't think twice before paying an additional $50 if I really like the girl. There is one aspect however I will add here which I always consider that is the place where you are engaging with the girl. This might not be important to you or might not matter.

A gogo girl asking for 5 K baht LT is no surprise nowadays and if I am in sensations or skyfall, etc I would end up paying that extra money to have that experience because maybe it is the price these girls now charge or get paid on a regular basis. The price is in no way an assurance for performance of the girl which will depend on other factors starting with your chemistry, etc.

However if a girl asks me the same money if I am at Simon complex, Insomnia or another bar elsewhere then I would rather take that as a disinterest from the girl. They do quote high prices many a times if they don't want to go with you. This in no way affects their ability to extract LDs from you.

So not paying the high prices and walking away is also sometimes sensible depending on which entertainment venue you are at.

1. IllusionHeart and PipeLayer both make reasonable comments. Little to disagree with. I will just comment that the more experience you gain, the better you are at making decisions. With each trip I make, I spend more time on Soi 6, as that is where I am getting the best service. I am not even sure if I took a gogo girl from WS last time as the prices were indeed high. But what makes sense for a Pattaya veteran who knows he will return would not make sense for one who is a rookie and who may never get to return. But good comments by all.

2. To McFuck, I will be there during the cremation of the King on or about Oct 13. I expect the bars to be closed for that weekend, but expect the soapies, places like Kinneree (spelling) and DD, etc to be open. I also expect there will be BR freelancers out. And of course the apps will have girls available. Most all have family back home that need money, and while they will again morn His Majesty's passing, they have to eat and pay bills. I have already made arrangements with a gogo girl I have seen several times before to spend some time with, as well as meeting a normal working girl (I think) on Thai Cupid who works near WS and is in need of a BF as well as money, so I do not expect to have any shortage of female companionship. But as said, no one yet really knows what will happen for these two events. If you can delay and want to be safe, then do so. I can't delay, but I am not too worried about not getting laid each day once or twice.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2084392]With each trip I make, I spend more time on Soi 6, as that is where I am getting the best service. I am not even sure if I took a gogo girl from WS last time as the prices were indeed high. [/QUOTE]I hope you are spending more time with your girl in Bangkok. She is nice!

FYI. Tax hike set for tomorrow. Anyone living here and for those that will be here for another few weeks might want to consider going out to get your favorite drinks for your condo or guest house before midnight. I just went to my go-to place for Whiskey and wine, and they told me about the rate increase effective tomorrow. Tax rate will be 430 baht per litre. It's not going to break the bank, but for guys here for long terms, you can save some money.

[URL]https://news.lovepattayathailand.com/national/new-tax-rates-cigarettes-alcohol-not-good/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2084458]I hope you are spending more time with your girl in Bangkok. She is nice![/QUOTE]Haha, yes, as a matter of fact, I will. She is a sweetie and maybe THIS time we can solve her virginity problem!

[QUOTE=Lavaflix;2083049]Aloha all,

What a great end to my first mongering trip ever.

SNIP

Totally fucking worth it!

I will be back.[/QUOTE]Really enjoyed reading your reports, full respect for posting! Reminded me of my first visit back in 2000, and made me even eager to get back there. Which I am glad to say I will get back the at Christmas! Some of your comments made me laugh out loud, especially the 14 years of marriage one & have I mentioned I love this place!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2079557]Thanks for the complement. I am afraid I am not the one to fulfill your sexual fantasies with details of my exploits in bed.

As for Songkran, I have been visiting during this time of the year for a while now. My FR from Apr 2017 is here for reference.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2023585#post2023585[/URL][/QUOTE]Another report that I immensely enjoyed, these make me want to run back there now. Full respect for posting!

Going to need an excuse to get out while there (with my lads passing through) so hopefully be able to meet a few people while in town.

Pedro.

[QUOTE=Klassic;2082780]I used the agency. You can read my report on it from a while back. They are trustworthy. I didn't pay anything in advance. Contact the person in charge through emails, because I don't think they take anything in advance.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply, it was very helpful.

I contacted this agency, unfortunately they changed the rules and I have to unconditionally pay advance, it is caused by dishonest guests.

I decided to go there for a week in December.

I literally dream about my time in Pattaya. At this point I'm looking for a job in Thailand. There are a few in my field but it's going to be a few years before I'm qualified for the positions.

My brain is infected with only one cure. More LBFMs, one after each meal.

I've started Thai lessons over skype with a TF FL I hooked up with while there. She likes to end each lesson with masterbation and a toy show. LOL. Sending her a vibrator I can control from my phone. Fuck I'm a degenerate!

[QUOTE=PedroEscobar;2084866]Really enjoyed reading your reports, full respect for posting! Reminded me of my first visit back in 2000, and made me even eager to get back there. Which I am glad to say I will get back the at Christmas! Some of your comments made me laugh out loud, especially the 14 years of marriage one & have I mentioned I love this place![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnyJo;2085650]I contacted this agency, unfortunately they changed the rules and I have to unconditionally pay advance, it is caused by dishonest guests.[/QUOTE]

Dishonest? More like guests who find out how much of an insane markup the agency takes without providing any extra value, in fact, limiting their choice. Pattaya is easy. You don't need an agency, just go and enjoy.

[QUOTE=JohnyJo;2085650]Thanks for the reply, it was very helpful.

I contacted this agency, unfortunately they changed the rules and I have to unconditionally pay advance, it is caused by dishonest guests.

I decided to go there for a week in December.[/QUOTE]I would not pay any agency anything in advance. I think more like dishonest company. I have travelled thru Asia and I have always booked by myself and found girls either in bars or on the net. Do you have a friend you can go with? Maybe a fellow board member might accompany you? If you go in early February I will hang out with you.

Rob.

Bros,

Planning to visit Pattaya.

What is going rate of St and LT.

Freelance and bars.

Waiting for reply.

[QUOTE=MRahul84;2086052]What is going rate of St and LT.
[/QUOTE]ST - 500 to 3000. I'm guessing some of the Africans on beach road will go for less than 500 if you push.

LT - 1500 to 5000.

90 minutes or less at a soapie 2000 to 7000.

barfine - 0 to 2000.

Hi guys,

This is about three weeks old. Got in touch with babe goes by name Amazingapple on TF. Called her over for ST to hotel room (was staying at LK Empress, Soi 12).

Arrived bang on time, looked just like her pics. Good figure, talkative. No fuss girl. Did BBBJ, WOT and Doggy. As I was tired from my incoming flight, could only manage one pop. She had asked for 1500ST but took only 1000. When I said lets go for a stroll, happily went with me to WS and had drinks while I ogled at the bargirls at Windmill GoGo.

Girl has excellent attitude. In fact met her again in Go Go bar almost like a GF, while I fondled tittys and ate pussy happily!! Ha Ha.

Man I love Pattaya!

By the way, Windmill GoGo is absolutely crazy- full nudity and no-holds barred girls. Guys, seriously do not miss.

Chao.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2086073]ST - 500 to 3000. I'm guessing some of the Africans on beach road will go for less than 500 if you push.[/QUOTE]Shit. I heard they go for more than the Thai chicks.

Hi all,

I have been a reader for some time preparing for my upcoming trip to Pattaya and I have just completed a search of the forums regarding Viagra / Cialis. I want to get some but I'm hesitant to use my family doctor here for a prescription and also I will be using them different to how he would probably prescribe them e. G. I want them to fuck several women on a daily basis and not get soft after 3 days as in past experiences and not for regular marital sex 2 to 3 times a week that doesn't require any stamina assistance.

So can I get the following advice please.

1/ The most reliable place to buy them in Pattaya.

2/ What dosage is best for a new user for performance enhancing and not for erectile dysfunction.

3/ Is it best to break the tabs up and take over the course of the day or one a day.

4/ Any other advice on the matter.

Thanks.

Rob.

Rob,

I take it you're from the UK. There is no need to refer to you GP. Lloyds Pharmacy, Superdrug et al provide online alternatives and you get the real deal with the hologram on the box etc. There's no need to spllit tablets they do 2. 5 MG and 5 MG 'one a day' versions or the full fat 10 MG and 20 MG. You don't need to have them delivered to your home as you can just nominate a local branch where you can collect even same day if you order early enough. In Thailand they're everywhere but you run the risk of getting poorly made fakes unless you can get a reliable, well-recommended pharmacist. Pedro.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2086315]Hi all,

I have been a reader for some time preparing for my upcoming trip to Pattaya and I have just completed a search of the forums regarding Viagra / Cialis. I want to get some but I'm hesitant to use my family doctor here for a prescription and also I will be using them different to how he would probably prescribe them e. G. I want them to fuck several women on a daily basis and not get soft after 3 days as in past experiences and not for regular marital sex 2 to 3 times a week that doesn't require any stamina assistance.

So can I get the following advice please.

1/ The most reliable place to buy them in Pattaya.

2/ What dosage is best for a new user for performance enhancing and not for erectile dysfunction.

3/ Is it best to break the tabs up and take over the course of the day or one a day.

4/ Any other advice on the matter.

Thanks.

Rob.[/QUOTE]Long time Cialis user, switched over to generic Viagra for my trip to Pattaya last month. Simply put, the Cialis just wasn't working like it had over the six years I used it. The generic Viagra worked well, using the 50 MG tabs. They do caution against breaking the tap up as it may impact the chemical properties. It also recommends that you take the Viagra 20-30 minutes prior to sexual activity for max performance. It worked for me. I would not recommend buying any medication, even nicely packaged, off the street in Thailand. You may want to check with a pharmacy. I have used Topills for my supply, no prescription needed.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2086073]ST - 500 to 3000. I'm guessing some of the Africans on beach road will go for less than 500 if you push.

LT - 1500 to 5000.

90 minutes or less at a soapie 2000 to 7000.

barfine - 0 to 2000.[/QUOTE]Where do you think the best optic quality is, I understand the heat index was 116 f today, that's crazy hot.

Also would you say the quality is much better in bkk than Pattaya right now, say in Nana Plaza.

Thanks!

Thinking about next week or so.

My brother was stopped by police today. The violation was not having an international drivers license. (I told him he should have told the cop he was military and did not need one.) He said the guy would take his license and he could go to the station to pay the fine, or he could pay 500 baht on the spot. (I told him the fine was probably less than that at the station.) He said the cop told him to come inside the box so nobody could see him giving the money. Afterwards the cop wrote a 7 on his right hand so if someone else stopped him they would know he already paid. Damn Thailand. LOL.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2086021]I would not pay any agency anything in advance. I think more like dishonest company. I have travelled thru Asia and I have always booked by myself and found girls either in bars or on the net. Do you have a friend you can go with? Maybe a fellow board member might accompany you? If you go in early February I will hang out with you.

Rob.[/QUOTE]Thanks, for your interest and suggestions, unfortunately I only have moments in December.

I think the offer for a 24 hour company is reasonable without any extra fees such as fine bar or for bar girls for 24 hours price from 150 € ! [URL]http://www.thai-sexy-holiday.com/prices/[/URL].

You can also change every 3 days or give the girl pause for a few hours, sounds reasonable.

[QUOTE=JohnyJo;2086560]Thanks, for your interest and suggestions, unfortunately I only have moments in December.

I think the offer for a 24 hour company is reasonable without any extra fees such as fine bar or for bar girls for 24 hours price from 150 ! [URL]http://www.thai-sexy-holiday.com/prices/[/URL].

You can also change every 3 days or give the girl pause for a few hours, sounds reasonable.[/QUOTE]I hope it works for you mate. Looking forward to reading your reports and to get some feedback from the whole adventure. As I am travelling with a friend the 24 hour thing isn't a must for me and I have 24 hour surveillance on me at the moment (wife) so a bit of me time will be appreciated. My biggest concern is that I won't have much say in the girl and I still get a kick out of the chase.

Good luck.

Rob.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2086424]Long time Cialis user, switched over to generic Viagra for my trip to Pattaya last month. Simply put, the Cialis just wasn't working like it had over the six years I used it. The generic Viagra worked well, using the 50 MG tabs. They do caution against breaking the tap up as it may impact the chemical properties. It also recommends that you take the Viagra 20-30 minutes prior to sexual activity for max performance. It worked for me. I would not recommend buying any medication, even nicely packaged, off the street in Thailand. You may want to check with a pharmacy. I have used Topills for my supply, no prescription needed.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. I will take note of the brands. Being a normal male 182 cms and 100 kilo one tab should keep me "up" when needed for the day? In Bali I have been offered Viagra on the streets before and common sense tells me to avoid it like the plague.

Thanks mate.

[QUOTE=PedroT97;2086423]Rob,

I take it you're from the UK. There is no need to refer to you GP. Lloyds Pharmacy, Superdrug et al provide online alternatives and you get the real deal with the hologram on the box etc. There's no need to spllit tablets they do 2. 5 MG and 5 MG 'one a day' versions or the full fat 10 MG and 20 MG. You don't need to have them delivered to your home as you can just nominate a local branch where you can collect even same day if you order early enough. In Thailand they're everywhere but you run the risk of getting poorly made fakes unless you can get a reliable, well-recommended pharmacist. Pedro.[/QUOTE]Hi Pedro,

I'm from Australia. Here we still need prescriptions! I don't want to buy online due to quality. I will try your suggestions online but they may not send to Australia due to the prescription needed. Can you recommend a pharmacy in Pattaya that will sell quality tabs?

Thanks Rob.

The good; Had a nice time at Ruby's on Soi 6. Had few drinks with a dressed slim lady (all others were wearing shorts), then took her upstairs- 300 BF, and 1000 for her. Even after the session, she was hanging around and massaging and caring me well. Very nice experience.

And The bad: I knew about the racism at some places in Thailand, so normally try to avoid Go Gos in walking street. But this time my friend insisted on visiting one there, and we end up at the gate of Baccara. They stopped us because of our South Asian look (though we are from different country). We went to one of the police booth, and at first a Belgian policeman explained to us his helplessness, then he directed to us a local cop. After listening to us, he came with us to the club, and had a conversation with them. But he came back with the same helplessness look saying don't allow Indians and Arabs inside. I guess some guys are still living in 50's. We thanked him for at least coming with us and showing some support. I still believe it has to be illegal in this country. Anyway I wrote to Thailand Tourism Authority, and exploring other avenues where I can raise this.

Writing from a new ID due to some unavoidable circumstances. I have been a member of this forum for almost 8 years. Also, my and'th time to Thailand.

Warning. Long and detailed post!

Day 1.

Wheels down at Suvarnabhumi at 6:00 am. Was relative quiet at immigration. Took about an hour to get out. Went up 2 levels to have a heavenly and leisurely Thai breakfast of pad kap Rao with some coffee and Mango. Yeah, got the Thai vibe going. Flirted with the waitresses. Wen down to the lowest level, bought my ticket to Pattaya (still 108 baht). I prefer the bus as I think it's safer. Also it takes anywhere between 90-120 minutes, which means you reach your hotel around 12 (if you take the 10 am bus) so you almost always get a room right away and don't have to wait. It was pouring cats and dogs, saw more than a couple of accidents (aquaplaning mostly) and was glad I took the bus. Reached the hotel exactly at 12. First time staying at the Blue Sky, nice little budget hotel on soi 5. Checked in and had a nice sleep for 4 hours to kill the jet lag. Woke up at around 7. Went to corner bar at soi 8. Checked out a few bar girls. Bought a couple of them a drink. None seemed really my type. Played some pool, got my ass handed to me by a 20 year old bar girl (lost 100 baht). Was having a consolation beer (bought by the bar girl) and licking my wounds (and pride) when I decided to ping all the contacts I had made on TF and Line before coming to Thailand. There was one particular cutie (Nickname rabbit) whom I was very interested in. 23 years old, super cute, super tight body, be cups (natural), 164 height. Pinged her, her reply. I'm in isaan. Damn. But she could refer a friend. I said OK, but I told her she has to kinda be like you. She sent me a pic. 21 year old, spinner body, the cups (164 cm, waist length hair. Exactly my type. I asked rabbit, are you sure her fun bags real. She said yeah. I asked her to tell her to come to walking street and call me. I headed out to walking street to check the vibe. Went to 808, got my dancing game on. Flirted with a couple of cuties. They were from Bkk, here to have some fun. And they wanted 4000 baht for both of them for ST. Well I'm a one woman man (at least for the night, so I passed). Went on to Lucifer, texted the girl who was coming to meet me (min) that I'm heading to lucifer so she can come there and call me. It was just before midnight, and Lucifer was packed to the rafters. No chance of a table, I would be lucky if I got some standing space. Got a text from Min that she's waiting outside, and whether I could come outside to pick her. I go outside, didn't see her around. So I pinged her. Then she send me a pic of where she is, outside 808! I told her, I messaged you lucifer, anyway, that's Pattaya FL 101, I should have known. Finally I see her. She is a total knockout. Not your typical bar girl or even go go girl. She's tall, almost as much as me in heels, has poise, huge tits (still can't believe they are natural) and a slender waist which made me believe her stated 50 kg. And dressed in an absolutely smashing little black cocktail dress. So we walk in arm in arm into lucifer and there were at least 50 pairs of eyes on her. She ordered a Malibu (another classy move in my book), spoke almost flawless English and gave me the usual demographics. We danced a little and boy was I hard and horny. I told her, let's get out of here. She was game. We took a motorbike taxi (her suggestion) and he took 200 baht till soi 5 (we could have taken a taxi for the same amount). Anyway, back in the room, she goes straight to the shower and asks me if I want to join, I prefer shower separately, so she finished, then I finished. She was in bed, naked, I threw back the covers, I wanted to see her body. Perfect honey colored, 21 year old goddess, with class, may I add. She made the first move. Nice BBBJ, I was already hard, but wanted to see her skills. At the same time was caressing her the cups, which were awesome and real. But she had real small nipples which was a bummer. I stopped her and went down to down on her. Got a close look at her abdomen, no baby damage, flawless. Just fingered her to see how wet she was, before I tongued her, well, she was flowing. Gave her the tongue action for a few minutes, and boy, was she a moaner. Finally went in, tight little pussy. Now comes the fun part, I thought I was so horny, I would come soon. Turns out, I didn't factor the alcohol in. So off we went like rabbits, for the next couple of hours, but no cigar, but two for her (stopped me twice and screamed the fuck out of her). After the first hour she turned into a special forces soldier with the sole mission of making me cum. After the second hour, I told her, just to lick my balls, while I help myself, no cigar. Finally, I asked her to DFK me (my weakness) while I helped myself, still no cigar after 30 min. Both of us were spent. I told her let's call it a night and maybe I'll call her again tomorrow. Gave her 1.5 k plus taxi fare for 2.5 hours in the room. She was happy, I was happy, but not quite, but not her fault, she got full marks for trying. Slept like a log. Next day, next post. Apologies for the long post, I like to keep it detailed!

[QUOTE=RobJones;2086598]Hi Pedro,

I'm from Australia. Here we still need prescriptions! I don't want to buy online due to quality. I will try your suggestions online but they may not send to Australia due to the prescription needed. Can you recommend a pharmacy in Pattaya that will sell quality tabs?

Thanks Rob.[/QUOTE]I use a little shop on Soi 6. As you are heading down the soi towards Beach Road it is on your left and not very far from Beach Road. I think the name is Pharmacy Seriously, good selection and fair prices. Stocks a full range of generic versions and they work well for me.

[QUOTE=MRahul84;2086052]Bros,

Planning to visit Pattaya.

What is going rate of St and LT.

Freelance and bars.

Waiting for reply.[/QUOTE]Hey Rahul,

If am not mistaken you are from Delhi Forum and have been very helpful to all. Pm me your queries for Pattaya. Will be happy to help. Have done 2 trips recently.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2086315]Hi all,

I have been a reader for some time preparing for my upcoming trip to Pattaya and I have just completed a search of the forums regarding Viagra / Cialis. I want to get some but I'm hesitant to use my family doctor here for a prescription and also I will be using them different to how he would probably prescribe them e. G. I want them to fuck several women on a daily basis and not get soft after 3 days as in past experiences and not for regular marital sex 2 to 3 times a week that doesn't require any stamina assistance.

So can I get the following advice please.

1/ The most reliable place to buy them in Pattaya.

2/ What dosage is best for a new user for performance enhancing and not for erectile dysfunction.

3/ Is it best to break the tabs up and take over the course of the day or one a day.

4/ Any other advice on the matter.

Thanks.

Rob.[/QUOTE]I like the generic Cialis that most every pharmacy has in Pattaya. (Sorry, but the local name escapes me at the moment.) I have gotten it from the pharmacy that is just south of Soi 6/1 in a little plaza with a restaurant and a massage place. I have also gotten it at a pharmacy that is kind of in the middle of either Soi 7 or 8 (8 I think), as well as one on either 13/1 or 13/2. In other words, most all the pharmacies should have it. Choose one that is air conditioned and sells a number of legit drugs and you should be fine. I would not buy off the street.

I typically take a whole tablet on the first day, then after that 1/2 tablet a day. I don't really need it, but taking it helps me get an erection faster and helps to keep it strong. Without it (I am an older dude), I will lose hardness if not sufficiently stimulated. I have had a full tablet continue to work for 48 hours, but the full dose has some side effects. Taking a smaller dose helps reduce those.

[QUOTE=Midwest1;2086720]...We went to one of the police booth, and at first a Belgian policeman explained to us his helplessness, then he directed to us a local cop. After listening to us, he came with us to the club, and had a conversation with them. But he came back with the same helplessness look saying don't allow Indians and Arabs inside. I guess some guys are still living in 50's. We thanked him for at least coming with us and showing some support. I still believe it has to be illegal in this country. Anyway I wrote to Thailand Tourism Authority, and exploring other avenues where I can raise this.[/QUOTE]I am surprised, and impressed, that you took the time to complain to the local authorities. Most people don't bother complaining because nothing comes out of it, as you discovered. But I am glad you took the time to complain, and wish more people would do that. Maybe places like Baccara would then notice the loss of customers.

Viagara / Cialis and condom talky. Guys, can we please try discussing this monthly topic in the "Thailand Lounge and Chat area" thread and leave this thread to actual reports. Really becomes boring reading the same shit over and over again.

A rare soapie for me yesterday. I think it's been about 18 months since the last one. First stop Honey 2. Some of the VIP girls looked decent but I was looking for something bustier. Unfortunately, the cheaper bustier ones were older, albeit cheaper. Decided to hop across the street to Sabai Room. Honey 2 had the better lineup but Sabai had one girl who was too cute to pass up. Guess is about 22. Was fairly busty but turned out to be fakes. One of the reason I hate soapies is I can't grope the girls beforehand to feel the tits. If I had that opportunity with this girl I would have passed. Don't mind fakes if done properly but these were way too hard. Once the session began I remembered why I avoid soapies. Just way too mechanical for me. No passion and just a routine for these girls. My girl was friendly though so full marks there. She also made a concerted effort to try to get me to finish. Prices 2000 and 2400. Irrelevant price difference when selecting a girl. My girl was 2400. I'll still walk into soapies to check them out but the next girl is going to have to be top tier gogo quality for me to bite.

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And The bad: I knew about the racism at some places in Thailand, so normally try to avoid Go Gos in walking street. But this time my friend insisted on visiting one there, and we end up at the gate of Baccara. They stopped us because of our South Asian look (though we are from different country). We went to one of the police booth, [/QUOTE]Agree. Good for you for doing this. Nothing will ever come of it but never looks good when cops are standing in front of a club. FYI I went to around 20 other gogo bars with my Indian friends and no issues getting into any of them. Just try another place. Baccara doesn't care. Japanese and Korean pack this club every night.

Visited the new Yes! Gogo last night. I laughed when I walked inside since I knew a bunch of girls from various clubs, including cute mamasan(?) who used to work as a gogo girl. Girls certainly enjoy checking out new places. I think there were 10 girls from Ginza there last night. 4 groups of 15 to 20. 2 groups topless. Overall the girls were definitely ok. 3 or 4 nice ones but I already knew them from other clubs. Lady drinks a whopping 200 baht. My girls are well trained to not drink quickly so didn't hurt my pocket book much. DFK, groping, lap dances standard there, at least for me. Definitely worth visiting at least for now while new girls are trying the place out. Nice club.

Other clubs last night.

Windmill. My 2nd visit this week. Talent is decent for Windmill standards. Bad luck for me last night because I must have chosen the 3 most useless mileage girls in the bar. I didn't push the limits though. Only one did DFK, HJ, etc.

Pheromones. One very nice girl here. Definitely top tier. The rest only so-so. No uglies so that helps. 200 baht lady drinks keep me from being a regular here. Girls also have a bad habit of drinking drinks too quickly in this bar. Likely instructed by management to do so.

Tantra. Walked in and out only because the tiny club had no seats. What I did see was more or less an orgy on the stage with all girls doing lez play on each other. Not my thing but if you like lez shows maybe give Tantra a shot.

Super Girl - 3rd visit this week. I can; t even explain why. I haven't connected with anyone here recently yet I keep coming back. Lots of girls. Mileage seems available from most girls.

Living Dolls. First visit in more than 1 year. Very few customers. Seemed more like a ghetto LK Metro club. Some girls ok, Will revisit again. Bought a lady drink for a girl too quickly. She turned out to not speak English well and was a dud. Decided to move on instead of buying a drink for another girl.

Beach Club. I saw a cute girl eating the other night and I asked her where she worked. She said Beach Club. Went looking for her but she wasn't there. I don't really go to Beach Club but I am definitely going to start going there. Many of the young cute variety. Not hot but just friendly and cutesy. Sometimes I need a change of pace so I will go to places like Beach Club, Ginza, Nui 2, etc. Girls friendly here. I regret not staying longer but wanted to go back to Yes!