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The USA doesn't want people to have erections. Its going exactly as planned as part of the medical industrial complex to fleece money and prevent sex.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2704773]The complexity and co-pays reek of vested interests and rip-offs. It never ceases to amaze me finding 4,000% price deltas on drugs, but print a coupon and it's reduced from $3,000 to $70 with no explanation, and tests the same. It is predatory, multi-level pricing full of middlemen and sharks. Most doctors have to employ a team of admin people to code and chase up insurers, collect co-pays and hassle patients when the insurer denies payment, at which point the doctor tactically fucks up the patients credit as a means of coercion. This is on top of the usual priesthood mindset of doctors who will only lift a finger when a fee is immediately in front of them and totally on their terms. They overbook to maximize revenue, so they transfer wasted time (waiting around) risk to the patient and in effect steal wages and irreplaceable hours of life from patients. The entire power structure is wrong from top to bottom. The supra profits of the big HMO's (I own stock) tell the story compared to other insurers.

It is absurd there are bronze, silver, and complex State and or federal rebates, co-pays etc, all designed by actuaries to fleece the population. Fear is used to terrify people to pay up. For a typical monger here, aged 40-60, spin the wheel, but you can expect a minimum of $USD 600 a month and another $USD 200 a month in various undisclosed gotchas. There are highly complex loopholes. But as you would expect, they make it very hard to escape the net of insurers, hospitals, drug companies and medical staff all with their hands out for cash but pretending they are some white coated, impartial super race only interested in our welfare. It's a lie. Follow the money trail..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2704762]If one man owns $1,000,000 and his debt is $900,000 and another man owns $100,000,000 but his debt is $256,000,000 which one is richer? The first man is in the black to the extent of $100,000 and the second is in the red to $156,000,000. The first man is wealthier. Same for a country. Japan has a nominal GDP of just over $5 trillion in 2020 but Japan's national debt in 2019 amounted to about $11.63 trillion. In a ranking of debt to GDP per country, Japan is thus currently ranked first. Therefore, in actual fact, Japan is the world's poorest country.[/QUOTE]I am sure they cannot wait for that reset. And celebrating all international news of growing interest rates. I have to give it to them, it's a smart strategy.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2704762]If one man owns $1,000,000 and his debt is $900,000 and another man owns $100,000,000 but his debt is $256,000,000 which one is richer? The first man is in the black to the extent of $100,000 and the second is in the red to $156,000,000. The first man is wealthier. Same for a country. Japan has a nominal GDP of just over $5 trillion in 2020 but Japan's national debt in 2019 amounted to about $11.63 trillion. In a ranking of debt to GDP per country, Japan is thus currently ranked first. Therefore, in actual fact, Japan is the world's poorest country.[/QUOTE]Edit: growing inflation.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2704762]If one man owns $1,000,000 and his debt is $900,000 and another man owns $100,000,000 but his debt is $256,000,000 which one is richer? The first man is in the black to the extent of $100,000 and the second is in the red to $156,000,000. The first man is wealthier. Same for a country. Japan has a nominal GDP of just over $5 trillion in 2020 but Japan's national debt in 2019 amounted to about $11.63 trillion. In a ranking of debt to GDP per country, Japan is thus currently ranked first. Therefore, in actual fact, Japan is the world's poorest country.[/QUOTE]You have to re-study economics, I explained this before and you are brainwashed, I go through this quickly as I cannot be bothered, look USA and Japan has different system to other nations, we are you can say same nations though we are not, we are like batman and robin!

You have to learn how not to be brainwashed by what is on surface, but deep below there is a rigged system to the advantage of USA and Japan and UK are closely tied to it, that is why UK did not change the currency even they once joined EU.

As for Japan, this rigged system is done even better than USA, we own over 90% of our central bank, the bank of Japan, and our country bond is back by our currency only, so we as in the government have full control of financial mobilization if they want to print, and we owe money to the citizen of Japan, we own money to ourselves unlike most nations of the world, EU is good example of this, when Greece had problem, they owed money to EU, so they cannot even print their own currency as EU decide Greeks currency as it is Euro and Greece do not own their own central bank, but also USA to Federal reserve is owned by unknown people, it is not federal, it says JP morgan on it if you look it up, but I think it is proxy owner! So all Japan need is the trust from our own people and preferably from international nations, then we are fine as we own our central bank over 90% and also our bond is backed by only our currency! Plus add to that topic, it is G3 currency, look it up and study more then talk as you are way below me for talking to me about economics as you are like magazine newspaper brainwash people, look up G3 currency and study or better go and get MBA in good school, it maybe not too late LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2704826]The USA doesn't want people to have erections. Its going exactly as planned as part of the medical industrial complex to fleece money and prevent sex.[/QUOTE]They may prevent you from sex, but nothing prevent them to tax you though LOL! No sex, but tax LOL!

The government need you to marry and have kids, so you produce new future tax paying organic machines called babies LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2704762]If one man owns $1,000,000 and his debt is $900,000 and another man owns $100,000,000 but his debt is $256,000,000 which one is richer? The first man is in the black to the extent of $100,000 and the second is in the red to $156,000,000. The first man is wealthier. Same for a country. Japan has a nominal GDP of just over $5 trillion in 2020 but Japan's national debt in 2019 amounted to about $11.63 trillion. In a ranking of debt to GDP per country, Japan is thus currently ranked first. Therefore, in actual fact, Japan is the world's poorest country.[/QUOTE]P.S.; do not ever mix country with people as it is most stupid comparison as they are totally two different thing and never underestimate what the country can do, the government is ultimate power modern day god, they write the law, they rigged the system as they want it and when it comes to the currency just study G3 and look it up and learn more about it as I am already nice enough to teach you little bit, it is much more deeper than that and G3 currencies are the god of currency and US dollar is the ultimate king! They even wage war when it comes to US dollar, look what happened to Sadam when he tried to sell his oil in Euro! Iraq was wiped out from this face of this planet LOL! Oil and a lot of other things have to be sold only in US dollars as it is part of very important system of the world called G3 currencies backed by the finest of the finest of all humanity called United state military LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2704895]we own over 90% of our central bank[/QUOTE]I think this is what you mean:

"In fact, 90 percent of the debt is held by Japanese investors."

[URL]https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/japans-debt-mountain-how-is-it-sustainable/articleshow/76298563.cms[/URL]

Japan's central bank is completely owned by Japan.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2704762]Therefore, in actual fact, Japan is the world's poorest country.[/QUOTE]Japan is not the world's poorest country. Most of Japan's debt is owed to itself. It is like a household where the wife (government) owes a lot of money to the husband.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2704405]I think the consensus would be Frankfurt as Oase and Sharks aren't too far away.[/QUOTE]Got it thank you!

[QUOTE=Trim1;2704960]I think this is what you mean:

"In fact, 90 percent of the debt is held by Japanese investors."

[URL]https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/japans-debt-mountain-how-is-it-sustainable/articleshow/76298563.cms[/URL]

Japan's central bank is completely owned by Japan.

Japan is not the world's poorest country. Most of Japan's debt is owed to itself. It is like a household where the wife (government) owes a lot of money to the husband.[/QUOTE]Yes, I usually write before the breakfast, so I just write without paying too much attention, so thanks for summarizing it, but you forgot the most important thing I wrote, G3 currencies! G3 currencies are the base for everything in the world that are under capitalistic system that is 99 % of the world. There is no way G3 currency nations will be let destroy as we all support each other as core center of the world, then the G7, but G3 are the most important central core of the whole capitalism and the world! People like to denounce USA a lot, but USA destruction won't happen as it means Japan and UK destruction, these trio are backed and support each other to the core, so financially it is all theater and it does not matte for G3 nations LOL! And as for bang bang, keep Japan out of it and USA and UK can do what they like which is to shoot guns, we do not want to participate in that as we do not see the point in it, but we understand they need to shoot guns for their internal system to work and keep order in the world! Here is bit about G3 currencies but it does not dig deep enough though!

[URL]https://blog.ibanfirst.com/en/the-currencies-of-the-g7-countries[/URL]

But lately, the trend is that let other nations fight, we just rant and give weapons LOL! Like in Ukraine, Africa and Middle East! What happening in Ukraine is nothing comparison to what happening in Africa especially Congo since 1960's! Horrible evil things are done to them controlled by West as there is cobalt there! The central core of battery for electric cars LOL! Insane world! But we all benefit from it!

The Entrance fee to FKK world it's 15 eru all day for everything or is drinks and food not included in the price?

It's not too cheap for the biggest club in Germany?

[QUOTE=KingAmir;2705137]The Entrance fee to FKK world it's 15 eru all day for everything or is drinks and food not included in the price?

It's not too cheap for the biggest club in Germany?[/QUOTE]I think not anymore including foods and drinks. The fall of a legend. I was also told Oase casting is really down with mostly long time girls since I was a child. They must have 60 in dog years at Oase.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2704984]you forgot the most important thing I wrote, G3 currencies![/QUOTE]I didn't forget. I just didn't have anything to say about the G3 currencies. Yes, the US dollar, the Euro, and the yen are the 3 most important currencies.

While we're on this topic, let me point out that we might be entering a time of currency upheaval due to the freezing of Russia's central bank reserves. It would make sense for countries that anticipate potential conflicts with G3 nations to shift away from G3 currencies. I think there will be a renewed appreciation for the value of gold as a reserve asset.

Let me attempt to turn the discussion towards a topic more fitting for this forum.

Even before the war, Russia and Ukraine had some of the lowest male-to-female ratios in the world, with especially severe imbalances among older generations. Their ratios should be even lower now due to the unfortunate deaths of so many men. How do you think Russian and Ukrainian women will adapt to this change?

I think I read somewhere that there is an increase in public fucking in some German FKK's. Can anyone confirm this and if so is it happening in Oase, Palace or Sharks? I've seen it plenty of times pre-pandemic, mostly at Palace, rarely Oase and never Sharks. I would appreciate knowing the current situation. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2704762]If one man owns $1,000,000 and his debt is $900,000 and another man owns $100,000,000 but his debt is $256,000,000 which one is richer? The first man is in the black to the extent of $100,000 and the second is in the red to $156,000,000. The first man is wealthier. Same for a country. Japan has a nominal GDP of just over $5 trillion in 2020 but Japan's national debt in 2019 amounted to about $11.63 trillion. In a ranking of debt to GDP per country, Japan is thus currently ranked first. Therefore, in actual fact, Japan is the world's poorest country.[/QUOTE]I would strongly argue that the second man is richer and will get more pussy, if he never has to repay much of the debt during his lifetime.

That happens occasionally at the individual level when banks are fooled into lending too much to someone.

At the country level, only a few countries can get by with the equivalent of the second man. The USA, Japan and the you. K. Are among them. Other countries would face hyper-inflation and a currency valuation collapse, which has in fact occurred among countries in South America and Africa. But the big three can essentially print money by having the Central Bank buy back the government bonds. It allows for a relative increase in the standard of living amongst the populace of those countries. Australia falls into the category to an extent.

It is unlikely to ever change. For a major problem to occur, another currency would need to become the world's standard. China is too isolated, especially after Covid, and the European Union cannot risk becoming the enemy of the USA, especially after the aggression by Russia. So life will continue as it is.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2705165]I didn't forget. I just didn't have anything to say about the G3 currencies. Yes, the US dollar, the Euro, and the yen are the 3 most important currencies.

While we're on this topic, let me point out that we might be entering a time of currency upheaval due to the freezing of Russia's central bank reserves. It would make sense for countries that anticipate potential conflicts with G3 nations to shift away from G3 currencies. I think there will be a renewed appreciation for the value of gold as a reserve asset.

Let me attempt to turn the discussion towards a topic more fitting for this forum.

Even before the war, Russia and Ukraine had some of the lowest male-to-female ratios in the world, with especially severe imbalances among older generations. Their ratios should be even lower now due to the unfortunate deaths of so many men. How do you think Russian and Ukrainian women will adapt to this change?[/QUOTE]I tend to think UK and US waited and planned this war and russia walked right in to the trap LOL! After Crimea, UK and US begin to plan and russia walked right in and fucked up is what happened, so as for currency US had prepare for this and media ofcourse go nut as it is their job to agitate fear to give opium for masses, but hey G3 will always be ok as this trio is the most friendly bunch and after UK left EU, the bond of trio is becoming even stronger LOL!

As for russian and Ukrainian women, Ukrainian women will head to Europe, so we got opportunity there and maybe we may even begin to see them in FKK or at least high end escort in Germany I hope as Germany is very liberal on immigrant and this time it is white immigrant, so I guess door will be more wide open for ukrainians in Germany than any other big EU nations and most of Ukrainians went to poland now anyways and it is right next to Germany almost by Berlin actually, so artemis? LOL!! So ukrainian women may be in Germany!

As for russian women, with all this sanction it will abolish middle class in russia soon or later and there will be less russian sugar daddies in moscos, so russian girls may shift their tuting destination to Dubai as russian girls won't be able to come to EU nations or UK anymore to tute and Dubai will be good place for russian girls to do their tuting activities!

I think I could be quite accurate on this, but when I thought during Greece crisis back in 2014 ish that there will be many Greek stunners in german FKK, I found zero LOL! So line up of FKK works in mysterious ways, but it is good that we still have plenty of romanian stunners that keep on coming LOL! We must enjoy that romanian supply while it last! It is beautiful girls nation! But I do hope Ukraine will develop some system of supply to german FKK!

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2705203]I would strongly argue that the second man is richer and will get more pussy, if he never has to repay much of the debt during his lifetime.

That happens occasionally at the individual level when banks are fooled into lending too much to someone.

At the country level, only a few countries can get by with the equivalent of the second man. The USA, Japan and the you. K. Are among them. Other countries would face hyper-inflation and a currency valuation collapse, which has in fact occurred among countries in South America and Africa. But the big three can essentially print money by having the Central Bank buy back the government bonds. It allows for a relative increase in the standard of living amongst the populace of those countries. Australia falls into the category to an extent.

It is unlikely to ever change. For a major problem to occur, another currency would need to become the world's standard. China is too isolated, especially after Covid, and the European Union cannot risk becoming the enemy of the USA, especially after the aggression by Russia. So life will continue as it is.[/QUOTE]UK, USA and Japan are three trio that get away with a lot of things like this all the mass public are fed is theatrical miserable comedies LOL! Only one condition though which is if USA stay on top with their military power! As out of this three trio nations they all have the say in all the matter, but America first LOL! USA is the boss of the all, but kind and understanding level boss who sometime is hard to understand when they want to pull out the guns LOL! But that is how USA was founded and it is the system!

Where is the best FKK right now?

For pretty girls and cheaper price?

[QUOTE=Blancoco12;2705750]Where is the best FKK right now?

For pretty girls and cheaper price?[/QUOTE]None LOL! It is all more expensive than before with many clubs increasing the prices eg, artemis, globe etc, but if you want cheaper options with younger girls, NRW always is the place for that than Hessen or Berlin or as far as I hear Hamburg as I never been to Hamburg fkks! So NRW!, but I prefer upsell near the city clubs like Artemis and palace!

[QUOTE=Blancoco12;2705750]Where is the best FKK right now?

For pretty girls and cheaper price?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, Sharks and 6 ens NL fell on this year for looks when increasing rate. For fresh pretties, I would advice Samya, Gold. Palace can always be a good surprise on Friday or Saturday evening with a German escort. Other, You do like me as the pickiest, You open your eyes and You may find one wow around Zurich, one outstanding German around Dortmund and You speed between. After helping my Ukrainian escort to hear when her medical stayed in Kiev, when I will buy S5 to power and improve with french technology flexifuel, no other crazy like me to buy now such engine, and what a run it will be. Bab can also worth a visit. No club on top, but discovered really good girls on this year.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2705286]UK, USA and Japan are three trio that get away with a lot of things like this all the mass public are fed is theatrical miserable comedies LOL! Only one condition though which is if USA stay on top with their military power! As out of this three trio nations they all have the say in all the matter, but America first LOL! USA is the boss of the all, but kind and understanding level boss who sometime is hard to understand when they want to pull out the guns LOL! But that is how USA was founded and it is the system![/QUOTE]"As the clock is ticking on averting a fiscal disaster, the Japanese government must implement effective fiscal consolidation measures sooner rather than later". [URL]https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2021/06/05/saving-japan-from-fiscal-collapse/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Turgid;2706299]"As the clock is ticking on averting a fiscal disaster, the Japanese government must implement effective fiscal consolidation measures sooner rather than later". [URL]https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2021/06/05/saving-japan-from-fiscal-collapse/[/URL].[/QUOTE]You are just an anti, learn about G3 currencies as I kindly educated you, G3 currencies support each other and if one fail, capitalism will be finished, well China will be happy to replace it with what they call their system socialism now LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2706255]Unfortunately, Sharks and 6 ens NL fell on this year for looks when increasing rate. .[/QUOTE]What rates are increased? I see it is still 65 Eur with 50 on Wednesday for Sharks. Or are the girls not anymore 50 Euro for standard service? It used to be 50 for standard and 100 for something more special in all big clubs such as Sharks, Oase, Mainhattan, etc. Globe in Zürich I think it was 100 CHF for standard half an hour and something like 80 CHF entrance fee.

[QUOTE=TomRifle;2706593]What rates are increased? I see it is still 65 Eur with 50 on Wednesday for Sharks. Or are the girls not anymore 50 Euro for standard service? It used to be 50 for standard and 100 for something more special in all big clubs such as Sharks, Oase, Mainhattan, etc. Globe in Zrich I think it was 100 CHF for standard half an hour and something like 80 CHF entrance fee.[/QUOTE]Artemis also increased the price both for entry and for session, for extras I do not know though, but they probably did! Well in FKK, no money, no honey LOL!

[QUOTE=TomRifle;2706593]What rates are increased? I see it is still 65 Eur with 50 on Wednesday for Sharks. Or are the girls not anymore 50 Euro for standard service? It used to be 50 for standard and 100 for something more special in all big clubs such as Sharks, Oase, Mainhattan, etc. Globe in Zrich I think it was 100 CHF for standard half an hour and something like 80 CHF entrance fee.[/QUOTE]Yes on twentieth century.

Hey,

I'll be visiting Germany for the first time and hoping to visit the Manhattan club in August. I'm just curious about one thing though, I understand that Germans are very open to nudity and was wondering would people get annoyed if I walk around with a massive boner? I get boner easily, literally any sight of naked person could get me off. Should I be wearing an underwear underneath my bathrobe? I wouldn't want to accidentally piss anyone off.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2705203]I would strongly argue that the second man is richer and will get more pussy, if he never has to repay much of the debt during his lifetime.

That happens occasionally at the individual level when banks are fooled into lending too much to someone.

At the country level, only a few countries can get by with the equivalent of the second man. The USA, Japan and the you. K. Are among them. Other countries would face hyper-inflation and a currency valuation collapse, which has in fact occurred among countries in South America and Africa. But the big three can essentially print money by having the Central Bank buy back the government bonds. It allows for a relative increase in the standard of living amongst the populace of those countries. Australia falls into the category to an extent.

It is unlikely to ever change. For a major problem to occur, another currency would need to become the world's standard. China is too isolated, especially after Covid, and the European Union cannot risk becoming the enemy of the USA, especially after the aggression by Russia. So life will continue as it is.[/QUOTE]The USD for reserve currency will only last unless and as long as the oil producers accept the USD as reserve currency. The minute they stop accepting USD for oil then the dollar will crash.

[QUOTE=ExoticFruit;2706782]Hey,

I'll be visiting Germany for the first time and hoping to visit the Manhattan club in August. I'm just curious about one thing though, I understand that Germans are very open to nudity and was wondering would people get annoyed if I walk around with a massive boner? I get boner easily, literally any sight of naked person could get me off. Should I be wearing an underwear underneath my bathrobe? I wouldn't want to accidentally piss anyone off.[/QUOTE]You don't necessarily just walk around the club naked. You wear a towel or robe around the club and take it off when going into the pool, sunbathing, sauna, with a girl, etc. But you are not literally walking the length of the club and to and from rooms fully naked. You're also going to be seeing naked girls the entire time you're at Mainhattan so I'm confused about the question. Nothing wrong in getting a boner but If you see a girl that gets you hard why not just session with her instead of feeling like you're just going to have a boner constantly?

[QUOTE=ExoticFruit;2706782]Hey,

I'll be visiting Germany for the first time and hoping to visit the Manhattan club in August. I'm just curious about one thing though, I understand that Germans are very open to nudity and was wondering would people get annoyed if I walk around with a massive boner? I get boner easily, literally any sight of naked person could get me off. Should I be wearing an underwear underneath my bathrobe? I wouldn't want to accidentally piss anyone off.[/QUOTE]You might get some attention with some looks as even in FKK that is quite rare, but yes you are allowed, I have seen this old like in 70's regular guy who just walk around and sit around butt naked in FKK Artemis and it seems that is all he does, the old guy in 70's with total nude just sandal on his feet with boner is not nice view to see, but he was kinda walking eye pollution that is satisfying his purpose of his visit to FKK LOL!

Goldentime, there was working a Polish lady Rosa. Have anybody seen.

Rosa in other clubs?

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2706821]You don't necessarily just walk around the club naked. You wear a towel or robe around the club and take it off when going into the pool, sunbathing, sauna, with a girl, etc. But you are not literally walking the length of the club and to and from rooms fully naked. You're also going to be seeing naked girls the entire time you're at Mainhattan so I'm confused about the question. Nothing wrong in getting a boner but If you see a girl that gets you hard why not just session with her instead of feeling like you're just going to have a boner constantly?[/QUOTE]Some guys like to be seen, it is fetish called flashing LOL!

I have been trading for 30 years and one thing hasn't changed. When big money gets scared and they move from investment to cash they only want dollars. Exactly why the dollar is so strong at the moment. No one wants to hold euros, yen or any other currency. US currency is better garbage then the other stuff. And how about that Bitcoin to $100,000? It tracks the markets as you can see now.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2706798]The USD for reserve currency will only last unless and as long as the oil producers accept the USD as reserve currency. The minute they stop accepting USD for oil then the dollar will crash.[/QUOTE]

I made this query already in the Oceans forum but Sirioja replied to say there are different prices for different clubs.

I would like to know what the current standard pricing is for each of Oceans, Samya, Mondial for one hour, BBBJ included.

I aware (from recent trips) that Hessen is 150/60 inc BBBJ and DFK. As usual other extras costing 50 more or 100 anal (not my thing).

Has Hessen caught up with this? Siri said Aca Gold has lower prices.

What about the prices in Oceans, Samya and Mondial.

Would appreciate any members with recent visits saying what the 1 hour standard price now is.

Many thanks.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2707071]I made this query already in the Oceans forum but Sirioja replied to say there are different prices for different clubs.

I would like to know what the current standard pricing is for each of Oceans, Samya, Mondial for one hour, BBBJ included.

I aware (from recent trips) that Hessen is 150/60 inc BBBJ and DFK. As usual other extras costing 50 more or 100 anal (not my thing).

Has Hessen caught up with this? Siri said Aca Gold has lower prices.

What about the prices in Oceans, Samya and Mondial.

Would appreciate any members with recent visits saying what the 1 hour standard price now is.

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]I already mentioned in Samya thread: standard rate 100 euro for 1 hour in Samya includes BBBJ. Period. No exceptions.

In Bernds the youngsters Tina, Lavinia, and Bianca will treat you like a king with BBBJ and CIM 30450. Same goes of course for other Schieferhof ladies like Cleo, Mia, Maria, Erika and so on.

I did not go to other clubs. There was no need. I got everything I wanted when I wanted.

I want to clarify that Samya is primarily for optics, not your honeymoon. Many girls are used to super quick rooms. It is a mistake here not to discuss all details before the room. The girls actually appreciate knowing what you want before the room. Tell her what kind of BJ you want, positions you want to try, how you want to finish and make sure you hear her confirmation on all of the requirements. This is a job interview. State that you are a regular here and you know the management and the prices. I recommend this conversation at the restaurant or on the terrace or at the reception area without loud music so communication is clear. In the worst case scenario threaten her to complain that "she is not sensual enough in the room". These are the exact words you should use with her in the room to correct her behavior if necessary. Basically you treat them like your own teenage kids to keep things in proper order. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2707077]I already mentioned in Samya thread: standard rate 100 euro for 1 hour in Samya includes BBBJ. Period. No exceptions.

In Bernds the youngsters Tina, Lavinia, and Bianca will treat you like a king with BBBJ and CIM 30450. Same goes of course for other Schieferhof ladies like Cleo, Mia, Maria, Erika and so on.

I did not go to other clubs. There was no need. I got everything I wanted when I wanted.[/QUOTE]Sorry forgot about your post in Samya thread. Sounds to me like you preferred Bernds to Samya. Is that correct?

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2707147]Sorry forgot about your post in Samya thread. Sounds to me like you preferred Bernds to Samya. Is that correct?[/QUOTE]I am alternating the two clubs and sometimes take a day off. Bernds is closed on weekends. I am very fortunate that I have pretty low standards. Basically, I prefer BBBJ, I don't kiss a lot, and I am a fast rabbit fucker in mish or doggy. FKK system gives me much stronger orgasms compared to any other sex industry experiences in my life. I love Samya because I am a very visual monger: I see dozens of very pretty young bodies, what they wear, how they play with men, how they dance half naked, and so on. Pre-pandemic my favorite club was Living room, which was a glory time, but nowadays, Samya is a perfect place to bang young petite beautiful spinners. If I stayed here longer my goal would be to fuck each single one of them. I will be returning again this year, maybe in September, staying near Koln, like I am now. Best fuck is always the next one.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2707081]I want to clarify that Samya is primarily for optics, not your honeymoon. Many girls are used to super quick rooms. It is a mistake here not to discuss all details before the room. The girls actually appreciate knowing what you want before the room. Tell her what kind of BJ you want, positions you want to try, how you want to finish and make sure you hear her confirmation on all of the requirements. This is a job interview. State that you are a regular here and you know the management and the prices. I recommend this conversation at the restaurant or on the terrace or at the reception area without loud music so communication is clear. In the worst case scenario threaten her to complain that "she is not sensual enough in the room". These are the exact words you should use with her in the room to correct her behavior if necessary. Basically you treat them like your own teenage kids to keep things in proper order. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Making such grocery would kill my desire. Fortunately, I manage in different way and also at Samya.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2707081]I want to clarify that Samya is primarily for optics, not your honeymoon. Many girls are used to super quick rooms. It is a mistake here not to discuss all details before the room. The girls actually appreciate knowing what you want before the room. Tell her what kind of BJ you want, positions you want to try, how you want to finish and make sure you hear her confirmation on all of the requirements. This is a job interview. State that you are a regular here and you know the management and the prices. I recommend this conversation at the restaurant or on the terrace or at the reception area without loud music so communication is clear. In the worst case scenario threaten her to complain that "she is not sensual enough in the room". These are the exact words you should use with her in the room to correct her behavior if necessary. Basically you treat them like your own teenage kids to keep things in proper order. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for your terrifically helpful information. Super quick rooms is a nightmare for me! Optics sounds like heaven and the 100/60 pricing is terrific. Either way this has persuaded me to find out for myself next week. I'm sure I will be able to persuade someone pretty that longer rooms (and the price of them) is worth it! I've been to the club before but many years ago. Let's see what it is like currently. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2707210]Many thanks for your terrifically helpful information. Super quick rooms is a nightmare for me! Optics sounds like heaven and the 100/60 pricing is terrific. Either way this has persuaded me to find out for myself next week. I'm sure I will be able to persuade someone pretty that longer rooms (and the price of them) is worth it! I've been to the club before but many years ago. Let's see what it is like currently. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]I don't think Samya is anymore the best for long time rooms when girls are mostly used to Turkish not kissing rabbits. For long time rooms, I would choose Bab, 6 and maybe sauna club Venus, not the RTC. Samya is more for fresh looks.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2707081] Basically you treat them like your own teenage kids to keep things in proper.[/QUOTE]A great advice! Never thought this way, but imma start using this principle going forward. Thanks man!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2705225]I tend to think UK and US waited and planned this war and russia walked right in to the trap LOL! ......[/QUOTE]The US did not have much to do to get this war started. They knew that if Ukraine agreed to join NATO Russia would attack and that is exactly what the US wanted. Nobody seems to be talking about the billions of dollars the US arms manufacturers are making. They are the ones who run the country and indeed most of the world. This war ending would be bad news for them.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2707236]The US did not have much to do to get this war started. They knew that if Ukraine agreed to join NATO Russia would attack and that is exactly what the US wanted. Nobody seems to be talking about the billions of dollars the US arms manufacturers are making. They are the ones who run the country and indeed most of the world. This war ending would be bad news for them.[/QUOTE]You are 100% correct! Exactly why not just Dem leaders, many establishment GOP leaders (eg Liz Chaney, Mitt Romney etc) in USA hates Trump because he won't start a war and that doesn't help their friends in the arms industry make money from the US taxpayers.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2706798]The USD for reserve currency will only last unless and as long as the oil producers accept the USD as reserve currency. The minute they stop accepting USD for oil then the dollar will crash.[/QUOTE]The reason why Iraq was attacked, it is all about USD and G3 currencies backed by United State Military the real power house of the whole world and humanity LOL! USA! USA! USA! LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2707236]The US did not have much to do to get this war started. They knew that if Ukraine agreed to join NATO Russia would attack and that is exactly what the US wanted. Nobody seems to be talking about the billions of dollars the US arms manufacturers are making. They are the ones who run the country and indeed most of the world. This war ending would be bad news for them.[/QUOTE]I agree that US did not start it, but I disagree that US did not know about this as US intelligence are so good, they knew about it and prepared for it as this is best chance to dismantle Russia economically and politically as it is happening now LOL!

Russia was already not big nation, their economical capacity was about the size of south Korea, but now Russian economical size will be north Korea after the war LOL! Well they have the same behavior pattern of just blackmailing, threatening be vulgar to other nations in the field of foreign diplomacy even, so they just went back to where they belong LOL!

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2707081]I want to clarify that Samya is primarily for optics, not your honeymoon. Many girls are used to super quick rooms. It is a mistake here not to discuss all details before the room. The girls actually appreciate knowing what you want before the room. Tell her what kind of BJ you want, positions you want to try, how you want to finish and make sure you hear her confirmation on all of the requirements. This is a job interview. State that you are a regular here and you know the management and the prices. I recommend this conversation at the restaurant or on the terrace or at the reception area without loud music so communication is clear. In the worst case scenario threaten her to complain that "she is not sensual enough in the room". These are the exact words you should use with her in the room to correct her behavior if necessary. Basically you treat them like your own teenage kids to keep things in proper order. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Samya is for optics? There are many stunner level girls there?

Then I am dumb as I was so fed up with shit GT and LR line up, so one day I just went from Duss to Cologne to visit the world heritage cathedral and then went back to GT instead of trying out Samya LOL!

If Samya has top stunner looking young girls, I would go and the news that it is upsell club is good for me as I tend to find more stunners in upsell clubs near the city and it is close to cologne right?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2707259]Samya is for optics? There are many stunner level girls there?

Then I am dumb as I was so fed up with shit GT and LR line up, so one day I just went from Duss to Cologne to visit the world heritage cathedral and then went back to GT instead of trying out Samya LOL!

If Samya has top stunner looking young girls, I would go and the news that it is upsell club is good for me as I tend to find more stunners in upsell clubs near the city and it is close to cologne right?[/QUOTE]I found stunners at both Samya and Mondial. Mr. Ho, I've told you about going to the same well over and over again and never looking for any new ones! You a monger went to Cologne and couldn't find the time to check out the best-known sex clubs there? Come on! How wasteful and foolish was that? To not even have a look, especially when you were already getting tired of GT and LR? Come on man!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2707247]You are 100% correct! Exactly why not just Dem leaders, many establishment GOP leaders (eg Liz Chaney, Mitt Romney etc) in USA hates Trump because he won't start a war and that doesn't help their friends in the arms industry make money from the US taxpayers.[/QUOTE]Trump is a businessman who do not see much profit for US to conduct war beside military complex and related industry which is quite wide range of industry, but he did try to start war with Iran though and north Korea, but it was calculated risk knowing it won't accelerate to wars!

But as sad as it is, USA need to conduct war every decade or more to keep on sustaining their system let call it! But it is for the greater good of this world again as sad as it is!

For mongers like us, we thrive in the ripple effects of chaos events of the world, so we are half happy, half mixed feeling about the good line up! Well, when a monger, let penis take control LOL! USA! USA! USA! LOL! Sound so dumb, but it is the best system the world know like capitalism LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2707288]I found stunners at both Samya and Mondial. Mr. Ho, I've told you about going to the same well over and over again and never looking for any new ones! You a monger went to Cologne and couldn't find the time to check out the best-known sex clubs there? Come on! How wasteful and foolish was that? To not even have a look, especially when you were already getting tired of GT and LR? Come on man![/QUOTE]I am a monger who went to cologne just for world heritage cathedral before heading to GT which is extreme other end of direction (2 stops before the last stop Venlo) LOL! I did think about it, but I did not go for Samya, but I went to opposite kind of place which is world heritage cathedral LOL!

I am quite cultural person and I tend to go to many of these sites if I manage to make time and I try to, and often it is so extreme to go to church kinda holy cultural place and few hours later I am in brothel getting my ass licked or my face is between some stunners ass crack that I just met few minutes ago LOL! Talk about the opposite extreme experience in one single day LOL!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2707247]You are 100% correct! Exactly why not just Dem leaders, many establishment GOP leaders (eg Liz Chaney, Mitt Romney etc) in USA hates Trump because he won't start a war and that doesn't help their friends in the arms industry make money from the US taxpayers.[/QUOTE]Do we have a Stupid Shit in FKK Land thread? Because if not, we need one. Now.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2707288]I found stunners at both Samya and Mondial. Mr. Ho, I've told you about going to the same well over and over again and never looking for any new ones! You a monger went to Cologne and couldn't find the time to check out the best-known sex clubs there? Come on! How wasteful and foolish was that? To not even have a look, especially when you were already getting tired of GT and LR? Come on man![/QUOTE]P.S.: I have chosen Jesus on that particular day instead of prostitutes in Samya or Mondial LOL! But next time, I will choose the latter LOL!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2707247]You are 100% correct! Exactly why not just Dem leaders, many establishment GOP leaders (eg Liz Chaney, Mitt Romney etc) in USA hates Trump because he won't start a war and that doesn't help their friends in the arms industry make money from the US taxpayers.[/QUOTE]The GOP and Dems are the same. They strive towards the same goals but have different means of achieving them. They work in tandem with each other and are guided by the same puppeteers. The GOP strategy is direct action while the Dems are more cunning. It is apparent that the puppeteers see the present world scenario as requiring more sly and devious methods.

Other than Artemis, is there any other FKK in Germany which has a gym on the premises?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2707335]P.S.: I have chosen Jesus on that particular day instead of prostitutes in Samya or Mondial LOL! But next time, I will choose the latter LOL![/QUOTE]I guess I'm extra sinful then since I also visited the cathedral and fucked attractive prostitutes all in the same city on the same day. Thank ya Jesus! LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2707334]Do we have a Stupid Shit in FKK Land thread? Because if not, we need one. Now.[/QUOTE]We feel your pain in accepting the fact that's opposite to your beliefs. Hope you're having an otherwise painless and fun weekend in the FKK lounges.

I know in Hessen area the price for anal is 100 euros.

How much is the cost in NRW clubs? Still 50 euros?

[QUOTE=Mojoman74;2707608]I know in Hessen area the price for anal is 100 euros.

How much is the cost in NRW clubs? Still 50 euros?[/QUOTE]Acquiring anal in the NRW is a Catch-22. Traditionally at 50 euros, it is a bargain compared to Hessen pricing. And the catch? Not nearly as many women in the NRW butt fuck as they do in Hessen, or other parts of Germany for that matter. I wonder if more would if they could make more at the Hessen price of 100 euros extra? Doesn't matter as it is what it is. Unless of course the price matches Hessen, which would add insult to injury for a cornholer.

Are there monkeypox concerns at the clubs?

I would imagine the women who work at the clubs will be very concerned and will be taking precautions. Is there any information on that?

[QUOTE=Mojoman74;2707608]I know in Hessen area the price for anal is 100 euros.

How much is the cost in NRW clubs? Still 50 euros?[/QUOTE]GT and LR are sold to Oceans where anal is 100 euro, so it is not looking promising there!

25 CIM and 50 anal was attractive price, but girls in Gt and Lr were not so attractive in general LOL! That was the problem!

[QUOTE=NyyRanger;2707617]Are there monkeypox concerns at the clubs?

I would imagine the women who work at the clubs will be very concerned and will be taking precautions. Is there any information on that?[/QUOTE]These girls do not care about anything, they even lick ass right after shitting LOL! So there is no concern for monkeypox or any viruses, they live like there is no tomorrow LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2707686]These girls do not care about anything, they even lick ass right after shitting LOL! So there is no concern for monkeypox or any viruses, they live like there is no tomorrow LOL![/QUOTE]And that's exactly why my friend, there's not a single reported case of any FKK girl's death from Covid, nor there is any reported case of Covid super spreader FKK event. Natural immunity gained by natural exposure to the world as it comes wins every time.

[QUOTE=Mojoman74;2707608]I know in Hessen area the price for anal is 100 euros.

How much is the cost in NRW clubs? Still 50 euros?[/QUOTE]Today I was offered anal 2 times at Samya for extra 100. I always decline anal because it's too much effort, restrictions on a certain position and shit like this. I think with some girls it would be possible to negotiate anal price down to 75 euro. Anal for 50 extra nowadays I seriously doubt, especially if you are not a regular at the club. Locals could still get 50, but not the tourist mongers.

Switzerland is open to people who has no vaccine and do not even ask for PCR test anymore, so it is back to as it was before the pandemic!

But Germany? They seems to still require vaccine passport and pcr test?

Am I right about the above?

If so, we should stop this hysteria over now the weak virus!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2707732]And that's exactly why my friend, there's not a single reported case of any FKK girl's death from Covid, nor there is any reported case of Covid super spreader FKK event. Natural immunity gained by natural exposure to the world as it comes wins every time.[/QUOTE]It is scientifically proven that children brought up in farm has stronger immune system than the children brought up in normal city households, so from now on at the German passport control, I can tell the passport control officer that my purpose of visit is immune strengthening at Clinic FKK LOL!

So after all, I was not hentai throughout all these years when I had my face between ass crack of young stunners that I just met and drilling her anal with my tongue, I was merely strengthening my immune system LOL!

No wonder I got through corona pandemic without getting corona without vaccination because I was serial anal eater of young stunners around the world LOL! Best vaccine in the world is eating stunner young beauties anal from different nations, it is like cocktail of different vaccines LOL!

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2707745]Today I was offered anal 2 times at Samya for extra 100. I always decline anal because it's too much effort, restrictions on a certain position and shit like this. I think with some girls it would be possible to negotiate anal price down to 75 euro. Anal for 50 extra nowadays I seriously doubt, especially if you are not a regular at the club. Locals could still get 50, but not the tourist mongers.[/QUOTE]Shit like this because they do not want their shit coming out from anal LOL!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2707732]And that's exactly why my friend, there's not a single reported case of any FKK girl's death from Covid, nor there is any reported case of Covid super spreader FKK event. Natural immunity gained by natural exposure to the world as it comes wins every time.[/QUOTE]That's because most girls at FKK clubs are probably in their 20's and Covid is very benign for most younger people.

Monkeypox is different. It can leave someone's face with permanent pox marks, which would be a disaster for girls working at clubs like this. I myself certainly would not want to get something like that. And I can imagine that if there is a case of monkeypox in a club, it will be a disaster for the club. The Health Ministry would likely shut it down at least for some time and do a lot of investigation / contact tracing. Not something that an FKK club would want. So I was wondering, are the clubs doing anything to prevent this?

[QUOTE=NyyRanger;2707851]That's because most girls at FKK clubs are probably in their 20's and Covid is very benign for most younger people.

Monkeypox is different. It can leave someone's face with permanent pox marks, which would be a disaster for girls working at clubs like this. I myself certainly would not want to get something like that. And I can imagine that if there is a case of monkeypox in a club, it will be a disaster for the club. The Health Ministry would likely shut it down at least for some time and do a lot of investigation / contact tracing. Not something that an FKK club would want. So I was wondering, are the clubs doing anything to prevent this?[/QUOTE]You answered your own original question. You're scared of monkey pox from FKKs, then don't go to one. FKK girls and mongers like me aren't scared of these, so we'll keep enjoying life as long as we live without such fear. You do you, stay home.

[QUOTE=NyyRanger;2707851]That's because most girls at FKK clubs are probably in their 20's and Covid is very benign for most younger people.

Monkeypox is different. It can leave someone's face with permanent pox marks, which would be a disaster for girls working at clubs like this. I myself certainly would not want to get something like that. And I can imagine that if there is a case of monkeypox in a club, it will be a disaster for the club. The Health Ministry would likely shut it down at least for some time and do a lot of investigation / contact tracing. Not something that an FKK club would want. So I was wondering, are the clubs doing anything to prevent this?[/QUOTE]The question is how can they prevent this? There is no solution for this.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2708060]The question is how can they prevent this? There is no solution for this.[/QUOTE]From what I understand, there is actually a fairly simple solution. Monkeypox is not Covid. There is no asymptomatic transmission. In order to be contagious, one must have these warts. So, check if someone has the warts on their body / face. They could sometimes be inside the mouth. That's harder to check. So perhaps I should check this. This will certainly not eliminate the chances, but will minimize this.

Related to Covid, do the clubs check your vaccination status or prior infection? Anything you would need to bring with you?

[QUOTE=NyyRanger;2708088]From what I understand, there is actually a fairly simple solution. Monkeypox is not Covid. There is no asymptomatic transmission. In order to be contagious, one must have these warts. So, check if someone has the warts on their body / face. They could sometimes be inside the mouth. That's harder to check. So perhaps I should check this. This will certainly not eliminate the chances, but will minimize this.[/QUOTE]Well girls will freak out if you do that LOL! But there are only 1000 infections right? So the chance to contract it is still very low!

For your info, it is best to go to Artemis then as they got in house medical doctors there, so girls are little more checked than other FKK!

But there is not much you can do with the situation, the best prevention open your PC and make good use of your right hand the visual images that may please your eyes and lust LOL!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2708024]You answered your own original question. You're scared of monkey pox from FKKs, then don't go to one. FKK girls and mongers like me aren't scared of these, so we'll keep enjoying life as long as we live without such fear. You do you, stay home.[/QUOTE]What a very ignorant way to live, while the case numbers are only small so far, it could be a far more risky issue than covid for both customers and clients. You beat the women will be scared of this as it has the ability to scar peoples faces and bodies. Considering the outbreak and keeping an eye on it, and questioning what steps clubs will go to to protect the staff and customers, is a sane thing to do. Its not fear. Blindly carrying on is not 'enjoying life' its just bloody stupid. One would think after three years of covid and the damage done by people 'enjoying life' and ignoring science, we would be passed such fool-heartiness, sadly not it seems.

Who knows, hopefully, the risk passes faster without becoming a pandemic level of issue, but until such times questioning choices is smart.

Nothing. All you need to bring with is cash.

[QUOTE=NyyRanger;2708089]Related to Covid, do the clubs check your vaccination status or prior infection? Anything you would need to bring with you?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blake011;2708163]What a very ignorant way to live, while the case numbers are only small so far, it could be a far more risky issue than covid for both customers and clients. You beat the women will be scared of this as it has the ability to scar peoples faces and bodies. Considering the outbreak and keeping an eye on it, and questioning what steps clubs will go to to protect the staff and customers, is a sane thing to do. Its not fear. Blindly carrying on is not 'enjoying life' its just bloody stupid. One would think after three years of covid and the damage done by people 'enjoying life' and ignoring science, we would be passed such fool-heartiness, sadly not it seems.

Who knows, hopefully, the risk passes faster without becoming a pandemic level of issue, but until such times questioning choices is smart.[/QUOTE]So basically, you are suggesting that we should go to FKK now as it is low risk as of this moment and run for the cover, Dr Ho will be finally back to his clinic this summer for some anal investigations LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2708468]So basically, you are suggesting that we should go to FKK now as it is low risk as of this moment and run for the cover, Dr Ho will be finally back to his clinic this summer for some anal investigations LOL![/QUOTE]No, Dr. Ho. Basically he's telling us that his wife is not letting him to travel to Germany, without telling us that his wife controls his life.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2708684]No, Dr. Ho. Basically he's telling us that his wife is not letting him to travel to Germany, without telling us that his wife controls his life.[/QUOTE]I never get wife control life of men LOL! If that is the case, they must leave the situation, but in certain developed nation, it cost them half their asset, so they just bought the most expensive prostitutes that do no good for their lives, but to destroy them including their sex life as well as mental and financial LOL!

Marriage is not worth it unless she is beautiful, rich and never age LOL!

Mongers do not get married, but we have honeymoon every single time for about 30 minutes to 90 or 120 minutes max as that is enough to squeeze the best part of beautiful girls as the rest is shit LOL! We take the sexy time as borat would say and leave the shit time for the rest of the folks LOL!

I don't worry about monkeypox yet. So far it seems to be mostly gay men who get it.

Hello guys,

I have Been to Hamburg recently both at Babylon and atmos. Few girls and so so service. Prize there 150/30 min.

Witch clubs are as before covid?

- many girls to choose from.

- good service.

- etc.

Going back to Germany soon, but haven't yet decided witch city.

Thank in advance.

Witch is the best clubs now in Germany? In terms om many girls, good service, outdoor area etc?

Been to Babylon and atmos recent. But was not impressed.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Blake011;2708163]What a very ignorant way to live, while the case numbers are only small so far, it could be a far more risky issue than covid for both customers and clients. You beat the women will be scared of this as it has the ability to scar peoples faces and bodies. Considering the outbreak and keeping an eye on it, and questioning what steps clubs will go to to protect the staff and customers, is a sane thing to do. Its not fear. Blindly carrying on is not 'enjoying life' its just bloody stupid. One would think after three years of covid and the damage done by people 'enjoying life' and ignoring science, we would be passed such fool-heartiness, sadly not it seems.

Who knows, hopefully, the risk passes faster without becoming a pandemic level of issue, but until such times questioning choices is smart.[/QUOTE]So, rightfully so, there seems to be some confusion and nervousness about monkeypox (it's going to have a name change soon so it will no longer be called this) but it's probably a good idea to throw some facts out there and also realize that things may change as we know more about it. Monkeypox and smallpox, while not the same, are very similar. Monkeypox differs slightly in that the initial flu like symptoms are more severe than smallpox. So, as a monger, there's your first point of reference if you are concerned about this. You'dthink as well a girl if she has what quite literally feels like the flu is not going to be working either. Don't know about you guys but when I've had the flu it's knocked me out. I'm down for the count. But playing devils advocate if you see a girl that looks Ill there's your first pointer. Secondly, one the flu like symptoms dissapear it is replaced by a rash which looks like puss filled pimples which finally slough off and it's done. The whole process takes between 7-14 days. So, secondly, if you see a girl with puss filled warts and pimples, somethings going to tell me you wouldn't session with her. Somethings also going to tell me that the girl will stay away from the club until she no longer has these as the stigma of coming to work with monkeypox is going to last much longer than the 7-14 days it takes to go away.

Now, yes, there is a chance that the puss filled wart / pimples are in the interiors of mouths, pussy and ass but let's face it you're screwing and licking pussy and ass from a girl whose had it done to them a few other times that day. That's the risk you take. But as a monger I think we can all agree that we're screening for stuff like that anyways. Needle marks. Don't go with the girl, scabs. Don't go with the girl, looks sick. Don't go with the girl, fish smell. Don't go with the girl, you get the idea which is that most of us wouldn't session with girls that are like that anyways. At least I do.

Thirdly, some of us older pricks (LOL) may have had a smallpox vaccine as a kid. We don't yet know what that will mean for those that have had it but the thought is that it may still provide some level of protection against it.

My point is that you're your own best screener. You have the facts as we know it now and there's not much a club can do, apart from temperature check the girls. But as mentioned monkeypox goes through 3 stages. Flu like symptoms, then rash, then sloughing and recovery. Temperature is only going to stop the 1st process but if there is no high fever then it won't be detected. But I can tell you there's a look that someone has when they feel like death from the flu. I can't describe it but we all know it. Use that as your guide and then use your common sense with the girl. She's naked anyways almost 100% of the time, so if you see weird shit on their body then why would you fuck them in the first place?

Okay, let's get back to reality and stop living in fear.

Hi friends,

I'm going to Frankfurt from September 8th to 12th.

And I plan to visit clubs like Palace, Sharks, and World.

I would love to have partners in Frankfurt, is there anyone going to Frankfurt these days?

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2709102]So, rightfully so, there seems to be some confusion and nervousness about monkeypox (it's going to have a name change soon so it will no longer be called this) but it's probably a good idea to throw some facts out there and also realize that things may change as we know more about it. Monkeypox and smallpox, while not the same, are very similar. Monkeypox differs slightly in that the initial flu like symptoms are more severe than smallpox. So, as a monger, there's your first point of reference if you are concerned about this. You'dthink as well a girl if she has what quite literally feels like the flu is not going to be working either. Don't know about you guys but when I've had the flu it's knocked me out. I'm down for the count. But playing devils advocate if you see a girl that looks Ill there's your first pointer. Secondly, one the flu like symptoms dissapear it is replaced by a rash which looks like puss filled pimples which finally slough off and it's done. The whole process takes between 7-14 days. So, secondly, if you see a girl with puss filled warts and pimples, somethings going to tell me you wouldn't session with her. Somethings also going to tell me that the girl will stay away from the club until she no longer has these as the stigma of coming to work with monkeypox is going to last much longer than the 7-14 days it takes to go away.

Now, yes, there is a chance that the puss filled wart / pimples are in the interiors of mouths, pussy and ass but let's face it you're screwing and licking pussy and ass from a girl whose had it done to them a few other times that day. That's the risk you take. But as a monger I think we can all agree that we're screening for stuff like that anyways. Needle marks. Don't go with the girl, scabs. Don't go with the girl, looks sick. Don't go with the girl, fish smell. Don't go with the girl, you get the idea which is that most of us wouldn't session with girls that are like that anyways. At least I do.

Thirdly, some of us older pricks (LOL) may have had a smallpox vaccine as a kid. We don't yet know what that will mean for those that have had it but the thought is that it may still provide some level of protection against it.[/QUOTE]Please WHO and posse has to make their billion dollars earnings again LOL!! They learnt the hustle with corona LOL! BIG business coming LOL! WHO, the richest commentators on medical issues, they comments to make billions LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2709210]Please WHO and posse has to make their billion dollars earnings again LOL!! They learnt the hustle with corona LOL! BIG business coming LOL! WHO, the richest commentators on medical issues, they comments to make billions LOL![/QUOTE]Yeah LOL, and then he ends it with:

"Okay, lets get back to reality and stop living in fear'.

What a retard.

Of course this monkeypox is also fiddled with in some lab, and made only to create fear.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2709336]Yeah LOL, and then he ends it with:

"Okay, lets get back to reality and stop living in fear'.

What a retard.

Of course this monkeypox is also fiddled with in some lab, and made only to create fear.[/QUOTE]Only people from G7 nations should be head of big organizations, so it cannot be bought easily and there is strong prevention for cheap corruption!

I need your help.

I'm looking for a new hangout. A club where I can visit 3-5 days in a row, relaxing and spending time with girls.

My hangout used to be Babylon (Elsdorf). Unfortunately, I've become quite fond of one the girls there, and she does not have the time for me, so being there just makes me sad.

So, I need to find a new favorite club. Luckily, I've got a shitload of frequent flyer points, so I can make quite a few recon trips to saunaclub-land this summer.

My first trip goes to NRW, north of Cologne. I've made a list of clubs I want to visit.

Potential clubs:

- Fredenhaus, Munster, [URL]https://www.freudenhaus.de[/URL].

- Fredenhaus, Dortmund, [URL]https://www.freudenhaus.de[/URL].

- Salome mens spa, Dortmund, [URL]https://fkk-salome.de[/URL].

- Club Venus, Hamminkeln, [URL]https://www.saunaclub-venus.de[/URL].

- Heaven's Gate, Dorsten, [URL]https://www.fkk-saunaclub-heavensgate.com[/URL].

- FKK Prime (Was Acapulco Velbert), Velbert, [URL]https://fkk-prime.de/[/URL].

- Saunaclub Sky, Wuppertal, [URL]http://www.sky-saunaclub.com[/URL].

My preferences are:

- Day club.

- I don't like dark and gloomy clubs.

- Good spa / wellness facilities. Good relax facilities. Also in winter time. Jacuzzi a big plus.

- Modern interior. I'm not into "harem interior".

- Price 100 euro / hour. At 130 euro I walk. Kissing / licking included in price. BBBJ not important to me.

- Girls have decent English skills. I like athletic girls with no silicone.

- Club cleanliness.

Comments.

I've previously visited Babylon (Elsdorf), Acapulco Gold, Heaven 7 (Rheingold) and Samya.

Question.

Do you guys know of other clubs I should visit? Are any of the clubs on my list shit?

Thanks in advance for feedback. I will post travel letters to this forum.

I posted a report Thursday about my visit to Globe, comparing the experience to German Fkks.

My conclusion:

"I had been unsure about going to Globe. 6 years ago, when German fkks were 50/30, BBBJ included, Globe seemed overpriced. Now, between negotiating BBBJ, prices, and not getting upsold or underplayed, Globe feels like a great deal. BBBJ always, Real half hour, good looking girls, GFE, and Globe costs very little more than upselling German FKks".

[QUOTE=Zumboit;2709848]I posted a report Thursday about my visit to Globe, comparing the experience to German Fkks.

My conclusion:

"I had been unsure about going to Globe. 6 years ago, when German fkks were 50/30, BBBJ included, Globe seemed overpriced. Now, between negotiating BBBJ, prices, and not getting upsold or underplayed, Globe feels like a great deal. BBBJ always, Real half hour, good looking girls, GFE, and Globe costs very little more than upselling German FKks".[/QUOTE]If you are not option lovers especially anal sex then globe is definitely better deal after summer 2017! So I am with you!

I do get similar session or sometimes even better in Germany, but it requires some negotiation and unsure momentum things as well and I do not like uncertainty where as at globe, it is certainty that I like!

However, if you are butt man, then globe is 200 chf for anal, so it add up, but again Ingo seems to know what he is doing comparison to most German FKK owner who do not care about details and I care for details!

[QUOTE=Zumboit;2709848]I posted a report Thursday about my visit to Globe, comparing the experience to German Fkks.

My conclusion:

"I had been unsure about going to Globe. 6 years ago, when German fkks were 50/30, BBBJ included, Globe seemed overpriced. Now, between negotiating BBBJ, prices, and not getting upsold or underplayed, Globe feels like a great deal. BBBJ always, Real half hour, good looking girls, GFE, and Globe costs very little more than upselling German FKks".[/QUOTE]I also add that considering zurich restaurant price is so high like doner kebab cost you over 10 chf! And curry in cheap place cost you around 20 chf and it get higher in nicer restaurants, so I would say globe 95 chf entry fee is not bad at all if you eat 3 meals per day there! Ok, food is not the best of course, but their pasta is not that bad! Plus they cook it front of you and on Sunday they got nice brunch!

It is best to stay in zurich oerlikon, so you are in the middle between zurich hbf and also schwanbach where the globe is! Plus, oerlikon has good cheap resty and many coop super market if you need some food!

That's what I'm pondering. Been to Frankfurt FKKs umpteen times (favourites Sharks, Oase and Palace) but with 100/30 or E150 for 60 minutes now seemingly being standard for bbj, FK, and ro am wondering whether to try Globe next. Booking a trip to the UK soon but will make it a stop over in either Frankfurt and Zurich. May only be for 1 night which if Frankfurt was going to make it Oase as if all other things are equal (ie quality of line up) that's my favourite but is Globe really that much better than the Frankfurt fkks. I've only gleaned my perceptions from reading this forum but based on that I have the impression:

- globe has a better line up in terms of quality albeit girls are generally slightly older and more likely to be silicon enhanced (ie similar to Palace) and generally has 50-60 girls on most days. I'm most likely to go on a Saturday.

- globe girls are better groomed.

- is more expensive (150 chf for 30 minutes and presumably double that for 1 hour) but owo, FK and DATY are all standard and you actually get the fully allocated time.

My typical FKK night would be 2 one hour sessions with ciim in one session, a threesome and maybe 1 30 min fluffer session so in the old days that would come to E450-500. I would also have a massage for E60. It would now cost me E650-750 excluding the massage.

If I had three one on one sessions for an hour each at Globe (think I would drop the CIM, threesome and fluffer session) it would cost the best part of CHF900? Aside from the novelty value and I would like to visit it to tick off and see for myself if it's matches the hype, it would seem Frankfurt would offer better value unless the girls are genuinely much better looking and service levels higher.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2709990]That's what I'm pondering. Been to Frankfurt FKKs umpteen times (favourites Sharks, Oase and Palace) but with 100/30 or E150 for 60 minutes now seemingly being standard for bbj, FK, and ro am wondering whether to try Globe next. Booking a trip to the UK soon but will make it a stop over in either Frankfurt and Zurich. May only be for 1 night which if Frankfurt was going to make it Oase as if all other things are equal (ie quality of line up) that's my favourite but is Globe really that much better than the Frankfurt fkks. I've only gleaned my perceptions from reading this forum but based on that I have the impression:

- globe has a better line up in terms of quality albeit girls are generally slightly older and more likely to be silicon enhanced (ie similar to Palace) and generally has 50-60 girls on most days. I'm most likely to go on a Saturday.

- globe girls are better groomed.

- is more expensive (150 chf for 30 minutes and presumably double that for 1 hour) but owo, FK and DATY are all standard and you actually get the fully allocated time.

My typical FKK night would be 2 one hour sessions with ciim in one session, a threesome and maybe 1 30 min fluffer session so in the old days that would come to E450-500. I would also have a massage for E60. It would now cost me E650-750 excluding the massage.

If I had three one on one sessions for an hour each at Globe (think I would drop the CIM, threesome and fluffer session) it would cost the best part of CHF900? Aside from the novelty value and I would like to visit it to tick off and see for myself if it's matches the hype, it would seem Frankfurt would offer better value unless the girls are genuinely much better looking and service levels higher.[/QUOTE]CIM is 100 chf in globe, not 50 euro like in Frankfurt FKK, so option lover, globe can be a killer, but the service and 30 min is really 30 min is based on true story, as for lineup, I always found one or two stunners, but again, I am very picky, so most of things you read is true! Globe set up is bit like palace, but with rooftop open area which is a relief as palace have no place to breathe fresh air!

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2709990]That's what I'm pondering. Been to Frankfurt FKKs umpteen times (favourites Sharks, Oase and Palace) but with 100/30 or E150 for 60 minutes now seemingly being standard for bbj, FK, and ro am wondering whether to try Globe next. Booking a trip to the UK soon but will make it a stop over in either Frankfurt and Zurich. May only be for 1 night which if Frankfurt was going to make it Oase as if all other things are equal (ie quality of line up) that's my favourite but is Globe really that much better than the Frankfurt fkks. I've only gleaned my perceptions from reading this forum but based on that I have the impression:

- globe has a better line up in terms of quality albeit girls are generally slightly older and more likely to be silicon enhanced (ie similar to Palace) and generally has 50-60 girls on most days. I'm most likely to go on a Saturday.

- globe girls are better groomed.

- is more expensive (150 chf for 30 minutes and presumably double that for 1 hour) but owo, FK and DATY are all standard and you actually get the fully allocated time.

My typical FKK night would be 2 one hour sessions with ciim in one session, a threesome and maybe 1 30 min fluffer session so in the old days that would come to E450-500. I would also have a massage for E60. It would now cost me E650-750 excluding the massage.

If I had three one on one sessions for an hour each at Globe (think I would drop the CIM, threesome and fluffer session) it would cost the best part of CHF900? Aside from the novelty value and I would like to visit it to tick off and see for myself if it's matches the hype, it would seem Frankfurt would offer better value unless the girls are genuinely much better looking and service levels higher.[/QUOTE]Globe girls are no longer prettier when looks really fell. Even milfs now. Just no very ugly, but some are really not pretty and really not many worthing so expensive.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2709999]CIM is 100 chf in globe, not 50 euro like in Frankfurt FKK, so option lover, globe can be a killer, but the service and 30 min is really 30 min is based on true story, as for lineup, I always found one or two stunners, but again, I am very picky, so most of things you read is true! Globe set up is bit like palace, but with rooftop open area which is a relief as palace have no place to breathe fresh air![/QUOTE]Yes, I wouldn't bother with extras like CIM at Globe except for maybe my first shot of the tour where I always like to give a girl a facial. Guess the threesomes would be out at those prices as well. Based on conventional tastes, objectively would you say there are more stunners at globe or average looks are higher than palace / Oase / sharks? Other place I've heard in Zurich is Aphrodisia which supposedly has only Victoria secrets model like stunners but is CHF500 an hour. Are the girls there really that fit?

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2710084]Yes, I wouldn't bother with extras like CIM at Globe except for maybe my first shot of the tour where I always like to give a girl a facial. Guess the threesomes would be out at those prices as well. Based on conventional tastes, objectively would you say there are more stunners at globe or average looks are higher than palace / Oase / sharks? Other place I've heard in Zurich is Aphrodisia which supposedly has only Victoria secrets model like stunners but is CHF500 an hour. Are the girls there really that fit?[/QUOTE]Sounds like you already did the RTFF. Next unless you visit Globe / Aphrodisia and experience yourself, I don't believe you'll have a clearer understanding of looks, quality and service of their girls. I suggest take a plunge on Thu, Fri or Saturday (Sun, Mon, Tue are ok but less number of girls, Wed is slowest, so least number of girls). If you like it, do repeat visits. If not, don't repeat, and you'll also have a baseline based on your own experience when reading future reports from others.

For comparison, I have never experienced or heard of any situation like this ([URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3225-FKK-Sharks-Darmstadt&p=2709984&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2709984) at Globe.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2710084]Yes, I wouldn't bother with extras like CIM at Globe except for maybe my first shot of the tour where I always like to give a girl a facial. Guess the threesomes would be out at those prices as well. Based on conventional tastes, objectively would you say there are more stunners at globe or average looks are higher than palace / Oase / sharks? Other place I've heard in Zurich is Aphrodisia which supposedly has only Victoria secrets model like stunners but is CHF500 an hour. Are the girls there really that fit?[/QUOTE]I went there thinking all girls in globe line up is stunners, well it was not the case, but I would say it is like palace on good day with about 1 or 2 stunners in line up! but sadly you do see some girls with enhanced tits and girls with a lot of tattoos! I think Ingo tried to keep it natural beauty as he can, but given the situation in the industry, that is too hard!

However, other rumors like 30 min is 30 min, shower after session together on top of 30 min, DFK etc are done properly and no negotiations are needed for that!

Aphrodisia, I never been, but I have interest to go because I am landing in zurich at 8 pm on my way back home and I want to monger, but going to globe at 8 pm is bit too late to get tired line up after working all afternoon, so I might hit aphrodisia to get fresh evening line up, I hear the service may not be good there, for 500 chf, hmmm I might end up in globe after all LOL!

How about cleo? How are the line up, price and service there?

Hi guys,

I am particularly interested to have a session with a native german girl. Is there any FKK's near frankfurt where I can find them. From what I have heard they are not into the game.

Do Globe on a Thursday. Fully nude day, big lineup. I found a lot of stunners. More choice than money. When you are basically just traveling to monger occasionally, the extra cost of Globe is well worth it. See my post in the Globe forum or Swiss Posts of Distinction.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2709990]That's what I'm pondering. Been to Frankfurt FKKs umpteen times (favorites Sharks, Oase and Palace) but with 100/30 or E150 for 60 minutes now seemingly being standard for BBJ FK, and ro am wondering whether to try Globe next. Booking a trip to the UK soon but will make it a stop over in either Frankfurt and Zurich. May only be for 1 night which if Frankfurt was going to make it Oase as if all other things are equal (ie quality of line up) that's my favorite but is Globe really that much better than the Frankfurt fkks. I've only gleaned my perceptions from reading this forum but based on that I have the impression:

- globe has a better line up in terms of quality albeit girls are generally slightly older and more likely to be silicon enhanced (ie similar to Palace) and generally has 50-60 girls on most days. I'm most likely to go on a Saturday.

- globe girls are better groomed.

- is more expensive (150 chf for 30 minutes and presumably double that for 1 hour) but owo, FK and DATY are all standard and you actually get the fully allocated time.

My typical FKK night would be 2 one hour sessions with CIM in one session, a threesome and maybe 1 30 min fluffer session so in the old days that would come to E450-500. I would also have a massage for E60. It would now cost me E650-750 excluding the massage.

If I had three one on one sessions for an hour each at Globe (think I would drop the CIM, threesome and fluffer session) it would cost the best part of CHF900? Aside from the novelty value and I would like to visit it to tick off and see for myself if it's matches the hype, it would seem Frankfurt would offer better value unless the girls are genuinely much better looking and service levels higher.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2710084]Yes, I wouldn't bother with extras like CIM at Globe except for maybe my first shot of the tour where I always like to give a girl a facial. Guess the threesomes would be out at those prices as well. Based on conventional tastes, objectively would you say there are more stunners at globe or average looks are higher than palace / Oase / sharks? Other place I've heard in Zurich is Aphrodisia which supposedly has only Victoria secrets model like stunners but is CHF500 an hour. Are the girls there really that fit?[/QUOTE]Well first, you might want to consider what type of girls you like. And what type of girls different posters here like. For me, my take in girls are quite equal to someone like Mr. Ho and Payforit. But hardly many others here on the forum. Unless you have some prior knowledge and remember many names, it might be hard for you to decide who to listen to. But what type of girls do you prefer? Any descriptions?

Beauty is hardly the same in everyone eyes. I thought most people had much more similar preference before I started going to fkks, but I was totally wrong.

[QUOTE=Derkd;2710175]Hi guys,

I am particularly interested to have a session with a native german girl. Is there any FKK's near frankfurt where I can find them. From what I have heard they are not into the game.[/QUOTE]Book escort on ladies or kaufmich.

[QUOTE=Zumboit;2710297]Do Globe on a Thursday. Fully nude day, big lineup. I found a lot of stunners. More choice than money. When you are basically just traveling to monger occasionally, the extra cost of Globe is well worth it. See my post in the Globe forum or Swiss Posts of Distinction.[/QUOTE]Who were your stunners at Globe worthing 150/30 ? Because my eyes don t see and Globe don t even have the prettiest in ZH, when fell since 2019. I think most agree on the fall for quality when rates are increased.

Srojah is a professional monger. His opinions have little value for the rest of us, while his knowledge of facilities and lineup is often valuable. His dismissal of Globe lineup means he is either unlucky, or that he has impossible standards.

I don't need to go with the prettiest girl in the room every time. But she does have to be pretty, slim, natural, and only mild tattoos. There were at least 10 who fit that category.

I mentioned Ada in my original Globe post. Absolutely a 10.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2710502]Who were your stunners at Globe worthing 150/30 ? Because my eyes don t see and Globe don t even have the prettiest in ZH, when fell since 2019. I think most agree on the fall for quality when rates are increased.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zumboit;2710553]Srojah is a professional monger. His opinions have little value for the rest of us, while his knowledge of facilities and lineup is often valuable. His dismissal of Globe lineup means he is either unlucky, or that he has impossible standards.

I don't need to go with the prettiest girl in the room every time. But she does have to be pretty, slim, natural, and only mild tattoos. There were at least 10 who fit that category.

I mentioned Ada in my original Globe post. Absolutely a 10.[/QUOTE]I agree as say girls I'm too picky and became pickier under first covid break on March / June 2020, when I looked at women in Paris. I didn't notice your Ada at Globe, but I agree slim, natural and almost no tattoo help for beauty. Hardest job for me is to find attractive, and really difficult now at Globe, then I try to make her good for me. On this year, I discovered and made 3 great girls for me and also a real cutie on Friday night at Dietikon. I would choose her at Globe, when I got her for only 200 for a bit more than 1 hour. Unfortunately, Globe really fell for looks, with now mostly same level of looks than in Germany and porn culture which don't help for charm.

[QUOTE=Derkd;2710175]Hi guys,

I am particularly interested to have a session with a native german girl. Is there any FKK's near frankfurt where I can find them. From what I have heard they are not into the game.[/QUOTE]There always used to be around half a dozen or so at Palace so that's probably your best bet. Also a few at Sharks back in the day and rare at Oase (think I only ever came across one back in 2012) so I'the say Palace is your best bet.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2710333]Well first, you might want to consider what type of girls you like. And what type of girls different posters here like. For me, my take in girls are quite equal to someone like Mr. Ho and Payforit. But hardly many others here on the forum. Unless you have some prior knowledge and remember many names, it might be hard for you to decide who to listen to. But what type of girls do you prefer? Any descriptions?

Beauty is hardly the same in everyone eyes. I thought most people had much more similar preference before I started going to fkks, but I was totally wrong.[/QUOTE]I would agree with you on this AND I think my take on 'beauty' probably lies closer to you'all, but selection is more than an algorithm on face shape and body / breast size. There is a lady I see in another FKK and almost everyone would rate her lower than quite a few in looks and body condition but she is amazing in the room! Top 3 Skilled in speaking French. I schedule my visits around her but I'm not sure I remember how I picked her. Obviously not purely on looks. Sometimes a girl will strike up a conversation and the mood hits l, pulling you in with her charms. All very intangible qualities. Still, there are guys for whom the difference between a 6 and a 8/9 relates to the price -- 50430 and the girl's rating soars!

I've slept with porn stars and ex Playboy models who do everything right but so mechanically that I look over and think not cute and other girls who know my prostate better than my doctor and she's at least a 7 (joke)! Who's to say which might be better til you're in the room Relax. Enjoy and repeat! And report!

It has been 2 years since I stepped back into an FKK, I have been in FKK game since 2016 around 10 vecation visits, and as the saying goes, any day in FKK is a good day, though this statment holds its grounds, unfortunately FKK clubs has severly went downhill, I don't like complaining but it is sadly the reality of it.

By no means, an FKK club isn't worth visiting, and speaking about myself I will continue my comebacks like every 2-3 months, but if it continous spirling down any further its going to be hard to find the motivation to take a 6 h airplane trips; official annual leave from work, buy tickets, book hotels, arrenge car travels etc. For FKK if they keep getting worse.

In past week, I went to.

-Hessen World / Oase.

-NRW Babylon / Mondial / Samya (twice)/.

* AcapulcoGold / Prime / Magnum / Oceans.

-Clubs I wanted to try but were closed Dolce Vita (NRW), FKK Villa Hannover.

So I frequented many clubs, and each has had a problem or more as follows:

Issue 1: Drastic price increases.

-World / Oase / Samya / Magnum were the main culprits of 100% inflation.

I almost didn't find any lady (except 1 or 2 low beauty WG) of any of the mentioned clubs that agreed for 50 Euro BBBJ. They all asked for 100 Euro for BBBJ 30 minutes, exception waa one pretty girl in Oase that agreed for normal price BBBJ but that was an anomly rather than the rule.

-Major props for managment teams in Babylon / Acapulco / Mondial / Prime for controlling the prices as almost all girls provide a BBBJ service for 50 or less for 30 minute.

Issue 2:

-All most all clubs suffered from worse LU, and worse number of girls, so by essense both quality and quantity got hit hard, and for timebeing, at least IMO this can be swallowed for timebeing as covid effect didn't entirely wean off, so this issue might be resolved with little patience, unlike the price hikes that are here to stay.

-Side note Samya / AcapulcoGold had the best LU compared to others, not great LU but its better than the others. Oase LU was ok but as Oase was always my fav club I wasnt happy how it turned out LU wise and the 100 Euro BS wise.

-Prime / Magnium / Mondial / Babylon / World each had 1-2 Max acceptable girl (acceptable only not super beautiful), and some of them had zero, pure skanky looking WG, obese, older than MILF, purley unattractive WG that you will surely leavs the club with blue balls and zero sessions.

Issue 3: Public action is no more.

-I'm a 100% pro public action guy, in fact it was among the most common reason to get me back in an FKK club, as it wasnt found in other P4 P establishemnts, I remember and 2016, you get a few minute BBBJ in oase public bar area as the NORM before going to the room and without even asking and most girls will be happy to BBBJ in public for entire session with sex. Or in World in the basment or Shisha area BBBJ in public before a room.

-Out of all my visits in past week around 10 FKK club visits, I only noticed one public area BJ and that was in Babylon, and 1 BJ in kino area in babylon and that's it, nothing else, not any other club, no public BJ, no public sex, no kino action, no nothing, maybe here and there you see a kiss or two and that's the most perverted thing you will notice.

-and. Be I didn't ask many if any girls for public action yet, so I might be wrong, but I'm confident 90% and more won't provide it, or if so will ask for a rubbish price like 200 Euro for 30 minute in public if not more.

Issue 4: Less real talk in bar, or affection, and straight away lets get to the room kind of talk, and the increase of sharkiness.

-Most girls don't care to arouse you prior to sealing the deal, most girls are having the attitude of "want sex?" If yes you go to room, if the answer is no, you either hear them complain, roll an eye, or ignore you for the entire night. Still some girls do try to convience you in proper way with small talk, and by touching you etc, but its much less happening compared to before in a noticable way.

-The most talk you wear hear is either mechanical "where you are from, how the are you etc. " or you hear the upsells that kills the mood.

Issue 5: FKK Oceans.

-If you were aware I mentioned I went to Oceans, but I didn't comment on it earlier, as oceans deserve to have its own place, at the peak of most BS club I went too.

-Out all of my FKK journies no club was as bad as oceans. The rudeness of WG there is in another level, upsells through the roof, one even quoted 200 Euro for 30 minute, others don't do BBBJ for 100-150 Euro for 30 minute, and what's sad is, they werent even high beauty girls, just a 6 out of 10 kind of girls, with those behaviors. I don't want to waste time about Oceans, but if you will trust me on this, scratch Oceans from your go to list, no ifs no buts its 100% not worth it.

This was a short venting post, I still have faith that FKK can be restored back to an acceptable level, yes the golden days will never return, but the way FKK clubs are heading right now, if they get any worse in the future it will be hard to bargain a trip for it. I think LU / Quality will only need time to settle back to a good level, but the attitude of girls, the absurd inflation, the highly variable prices from each WG compared to other, if the management will not be pro-active with it, then I'm sure it will not get any better and will snowball downhill.

I still have like 5 days to go, I will check out Sharks / Palace / Mainhatten / and Oase, though I'm almost convinced they won't be any better.

Hello,

I don't live near Germany, and I notice that unfortunately, there is no way to see what kind of woman we kind find in the FKK clubs. I wish it was possible to see videos of a presentation of the women with blurred faces. Are there some places online where it is possible to see such thing?

[QUOTE=HenriDufresne;2711101]Hello,

I don't live near Germany, and I notice that unfortunately, there is no way to see what kind of woman we kind find in the FKK clubs. I wish it was possible to see videos of a presentation of the women with blurred faces. Are there some places online where it is possible to see such thing?[/QUOTE]Some examples from DE, CH and AT:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNahisHBDE4[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOUV0KB2GnI[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNqZZpJKk7Q[/URL]

[QUOTE=HenriDufresne;2711101]Hello,

I don't live near Germany, and I notice that unfortunately, there is no way to see what kind of woman we kind find in the FKK clubs. I wish it was possible to see videos of a presentation of the women with blurred faces. Are there some places online where it is possible to see such thing?[/QUOTE]At the moment only FKK Wellcum and FKK Andiamo in Villach has some sort of good online PR thing going on where you get a sense of the atmosphere and the actual real girls who work there. In Germany you have to have been there more. I don't know if this is due to German regulations or not, since in the past a few German clubs did show pictures of the girls, but not any longer.

Wellcum (and Andiamo. Same owner and managers) has youtube page, facebook, instagram and telegram groups. So there you can see some. But don't expect the same standards everywhere. Wellcum is always a top 3 FKK club across Germany / Switzerland / Austria. Sharks has mostly been up there in the past also. Maybe not now from what I am reading. Maybe Oase still is from what I am reading. But after covid things might have changed many places.

So much for the theory that Ukrainian girls were going to come in to save the day. Might as well delete the sanctions and stop giving aid to them since they can't even do a simple favor to make FKK great again.

[QUOTE=MythoVirus;2711028]It has been 2 years since I stepped back into an FKK, I have been in FKK game since 2016 around 10 vecation visits, and as the saying goes, any day in FKK is a good day, though this statment holds its grounds, unfortunately FKK clubs has severly went downhill, I don't like complaining but it is sadly the reality of it.

By no means, an FKK club isn't worth visiting, and speaking about myself I will continue my comebacks like every 2-3 months, but if it continous spirling down any further its going to be hard to find the motivation to take a 6 h airplane trips; official annual leave from work, buy tickets, book hotels, arrenge car travels etc. For FKK if they keep getting worse.

In past week, I went to.

-Hessen World / Oase.

-NRW Babylon / Mondial / Samya (twice)/.

* AcapulcoGold / Prime / Magnum / Oceans.

-Clubs I wanted to try but were closed Dolce Vita (NRW), FKK Villa Hannover.

So I frequented many clubs, and each has had a problem or more as follows:

Issue 1: Drastic price increases.

-World / Oase / Samya / Magnum were the main culprits of 100% inflation..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2711204]At the moment only FKK Wellcum and FKK Andiamo in Villach has some sort of good online PR thing going on where you get a sense of the atmosphere and the actual real girls who work there. In Germany you have to have been there more. I don't know if this is due to German regulations or not, since in the past a few German clubs did show pictures of the girls, but not any longer.

Wellcum (and Andiamo. Same owner and managers) has youtube page, facebook, instagram and telegram groups. So there you can see some. But don't expect the same standards everywhere. Wellcum is always a top 3 FKK club across Germany / Switzerland / Austria. Sharks has mostly been up there in the past also. Maybe not now from what I am reading. Maybe Oase still is from what I am reading. But after covid things might have changed many places.[/QUOTE]You can't say Wellcum is high level for girls, with many silicon, small pussies. GT Vienna and Germany are higher level for girls, when Italians chat but don't kiss. Sharks was really higher level on last year, but fell on 2022.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2711204]At the moment only FKK Wellcum and FKK Andiamo in Villach has some sort of good online PR thing going on where you get a sense of the atmosphere and the actual real girls who work there. In Germany you have to have been there more. I don't know if this is due to German regulations or not, since in the past a few German clubs did show pictures of the girls, but not any longer.

Wellcum (and Andiamo. Same owner and managers) has youtube page, facebook, instagram and telegram groups. So there you can see some. But don't expect the same standards everywhere. Wellcum is always a top 3 FKK club across Germany / Switzerland / Austria. Sharks has mostly been up there in the past also. Maybe not now from what I am reading. Maybe Oase still is from what I am reading. But after covid things might have changed many places.[/QUOTE]Can you fuck girl in your room in hotel Wellcum? It is one place that I am planning to go!

Yeah, I feel you. Poor LU and 100% inflated price makes FKK no longer THE place to monger. I will try Barcelona and Austral this summer but without much expectation. Shortage of fresh WGs seems to a worldwide problem. Just like labor force.

[QUOTE=MythoVirus;2711028]It has been 2 years since I stepped back into an FKK, I have been in FKK game since 2016 around 10 vecation visits, and as the saying goes, any day in FKK is a good day, though this statment holds its grounds, unfortunately FKK clubs has severly went downhill, I don't like complaining but it is sadly the reality of it.

By no means, an FKK club isn't worth visiting, and speaking about myself I will continue my comebacks like every 2-3 months, but if it continous spirling down any further its going to be hard to find the motivation to take a 6 h airplane trips; official annual leave from work, buy tickets, book hotels, arrenge car travels etc. For FKK if they keep getting worse.

In past week, I went to.

-Hessen World / Oase.

-NRW Babylon / Mondial / Samya (twice)/.

* AcapulcoGold / Prime / Magnum / Oceans.

-Clubs I wanted to try but were closed Dolce Vita (NRW), FKK Villa Hannover.

So I frequented many clubs, and each has had a problem or more as follows:

Issue 1: Drastic price increases.

-World / Oase / Samya / Magnum were the main culprits of 100% inflation.

I almost didn't find any lady (except 1 or 2 low beauty WG) of any of the mentioned clubs that agreed for 50 Euro BBBJ. They all asked for 100 Euro for BBBJ 30 minutes, exception waa one pretty girl in Oase that agreed for normal price BBBJ but that was an anomly rather than the rule.

-Major props for managment teams in Babylon / Acapulco / Mondial / Prime for controlling the prices as almost all girls provide a BBBJ service for 50 or less for 30 minute.

Issue 2:

-All most all clubs suffered from worse LU, and worse number of girls, so by essense both quality and quantity got hit hard, and for timebeing, at least IMO this can be swallowed for timebeing as covid effect didn't entirely wean off, so this issue might be resolved with little patience, unlike the price hikes that are here to stay.

-Side note Samya / AcapulcoGold had the best LU compared to others, not great LU but its better than the others. Oase LU was ok but as Oase was always my fav club I wasnt happy how it turned out LU wise and the 100 Euro BS wise.

-Prime / Magnium / Mondial / Babylon / World each had 1-2 Max acceptable girl (acceptable only not super beautiful), and some of them had zero, pure skanky looking WG, obese, older than MILF, purley unattractive WG that you will surely leavs the club with blue balls and zero sessions.

Issue 3: Public action is no more.

-I'm a 100% pro public action guy, in fact it was among the most common reason to get me back in an FKK club, as it wasnt found in other P4 P establishemnts, I remember and 2016, you get a few minute BBBJ in oase public bar area as the NORM before going to the room and without even asking and most girls will be happy to BBBJ in public for entire session with sex. Or in World in the basment or Shisha area BBBJ in public before a room.

-Out of all my visits in past week around 10 FKK club visits, I only noticed one public area BJ and that was in Babylon, and 1 BJ in kino area in babylon and that's it, nothing else, not any other club, no public BJ, no public sex, no kino action, no nothing, maybe here and there you see a kiss or two and that's the most perverted thing you will notice.

-and. Be I didn't ask many if any girls for public action yet, so I might be wrong, but I'm confident 90% and more won't provide it, or if so will ask for a rubbish price like 200 Euro for 30 minute in public if not more.

Issue 4: Less real talk in bar, or affection, and straight away lets get to the room kind of talk, and the increase of sharkiness.

-Most girls don't care to arouse you prior to sealing the deal, most girls are having the attitude of "want sex?" If yes you go to room, if the answer is no, you either hear them complain, roll an eye, or ignore you for the entire night. Still some girls do try to convience you in proper way with small talk, and by touching you etc, but its much less happening compared to before in a noticable way.

-The most talk you wear hear is either mechanical "where you are from, how the are you etc. " or you hear the upsells that kills the mood.

Issue 5: FKK Oceans.

-If you were aware I mentioned I went to Oceans, but I didn't comment on it earlier, as oceans deserve to have its own place, at the peak of most BS club I went too.

-Out all of my FKK journies no club was as bad as oceans. The rudeness of WG there is in another level, upsells through the roof, one even quoted 200 Euro for 30 minute, others don't do BBBJ for 100-150 Euro for 30 minute, and what's sad is, they werent even high beauty girls, just a 6 out of 10 kind of girls, with those behaviors. I don't want to waste time about Oceans, but if you will trust me on this, scratch Oceans from your go to list, no ifs no buts its 100% not worth it.

This was a short venting post, I still have faith that FKK can be restored back to an acceptable level, yes the golden days will never return, but the way FKK clubs are heading right now, if they get any worse in the future it will be hard to bargain a trip for it. I think LU / Quality will only need time to settle back to a good level, but the attitude of girls, the absurd inflation, the highly variable prices from each WG compared to other, if the management will not be pro-active with it, then I'm sure it will not get any better and will snowball downhill.

I still have like 5 days to go, I will check out Sharks / Palace / Mainhatten / and Oase, though I'm almost convinced they won't be any better.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2711381]Can you fuck girl in your room in hotel Wellcum? It is one place that I am planning to go![/QUOTE]Yes, You can take girls to your room at Wellcum, You just have to pay.

[QUOTE=MythoVirus;2711028]It has been 2 years since I stepped back into an FKK, I have been in FKK game since 2016 around 10 vecation visits, and as the saying goes, any day in FKK is a good day, though this statment holds its grounds, unfortunately FKK clubs has severly went downhill, I don't like complaining but it is sadly the reality of it.

By no means, an FKK club isn't worth visiting, and speaking about myself I will continue my comebacks like every 2-3 months, but if it continous spirling down any further its going to be hard to find the motivation to take a 6 h airplane trips; official annual leave from work, buy tickets, book hotels, arrenge car travels etc. For FKK if they keep getting worse.

In past week, I went to.

-Hessen World / Oase.

-NRW Babylon / Mondial / Samya (twice)/.

* AcapulcoGold / Prime / Magnum / Oceans.

-Clubs I wanted to try but were closed Dolce Vita (NRW), FKK Villa Hannover.

So I frequented many clubs, and each has had a problem or more as follows:

Issue 1: Drastic price increases...[/QUOTE]Hmmmm. This royally sucks for your trip! Apologies for your terrible experience mate! BTW, one thing I noticed is that if I increase the budget to the Swiss Globe rates, I get way better girls (still not as good as pre-pandemic Globe) and guaranteed service and full on public sex on stage at Globe. But then again, cost goes at least double, more so if I add any extras. Maybe I will have to reduce the number of FKK trips but spend more in each trip for the Globe girls to at least have the experience I want; otherwise travelling all the way to Europe for mongering becomes meaningless. BTW, in Globe, you can fuck girls on the stage for free (club gives free entry to the girls for this), which I take advantage of every time I am there.

Did you try (or thought of trying) Finca Erotica in Dierdorf? A lot of times that FKK in between Hesse and NRW was my savior in the past, somehow they had few teeny gems every time I was there in last 5 years, prices old 50/30, and most teeny girls were into public / semi-public sex (some thought I am crazy, laughed at me but also enjoyed my craziness LOL).

[QUOTE=Gino02;2711614]Hmmmm. This royally sucks for your trip! Apologies for your terrible experience mate! BTW, one thing I noticed is that if I increase the budget to the Swiss Globe rates, I get way better girls (still not as good as pre-pandemic Globe) and guaranteed service and full on public sex on stage at Globe. But then again, cost goes at least double, more so if I add any extras. Maybe I will have to reduce the number of FKK trips but spend more in each trip for the Globe girls to at least have the experience I want; otherwise travelling all the way to Europe for mongering becomes meaningless. BTW, in Globe, you can fuck girls on the stage for free (club gives free entry to the girls for this), which I take advantage of every time I am there.

Did you try (or thought of trying) Finca Erotica in Dierdorf? A lot of times that FKK in between Hesse and NRW was my savior in the past, somehow they had few teeny gems every time I was there in last 5 years, prices old 50/30, and most teeny girls were into public / semi-public sex (some thought I am crazy, laughed at me but also enjoyed my craziness LOL).[/QUOTE]Yeah I'm considering to give Globe a try, it seems the most bang for one's buck with zero mood killing with upsells and you get the the real time instead of a rushed 15 minute.

Finca Erotica never tried it, will keep it in mind.

On a good note, I checked sharks today, yeah 100 Euro is the norm ofc, but truth to be told they had a very good lineup, and many girls did not rush for a session with a proper conversation. Sharks for sure has the best LU in Germany right now and by a significant quality. I never used to enjoy Sharks much, but it made my vacation worth it this time.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2711524]Yes, You can take girls to your room at Wellcum, You just have to pay.[/QUOTE]No extra pay for that. At least it want last summer.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2711364]You can't say Wellcum is high level for girls, with many silicon, small pussies. GT Vienna and Germany are higher level for girls, when Italians chat but don't kiss. Sharks was really higher level on last year, but fell on 2022.[/QUOTE]But I am saying it. Of course not all girls there are for everyone. But when I consistently find 10 girls in a club that I like, then it's a top 3 club for me in Europe. Those numbers are rare. During covid it didn't reach 10 for me, but now it seems to be back to those numbers again.

I'll make you a list here of 12 girls right now at wellcum listed as being there: Crina, Elisa, Emma, Helena, Leah, Lorena, Madelina, Mika, Olga, Ramona, Trisha, Valentina.

And that is just among the girls there I know I could go with. Lots of blanks or girls I haven't seen yet nor been with also. I know you don't like the silicon tits of Olga, and in general have a different taste than me. But others may have a similar taste in girls. A lot of top girls have gone missing from wellcum, and I could have listed maybe 50 girls like that over the past 5 years, but they have managed to somehow replace most of them to a good extent.

But I have stopped hyping up certain particular girls in any particular clubs now. Because the only thing that will happen is that some dudes from Dubai will read it, and they listen to me (reasonable of course) and hire the girls for jobs there instead. Or however it works in Dubai, I don't really know.

[QUOTE=MythoVirus;2711773]Yeah I'm considering to give Globe a try, it seems the most bang for one's buck with zero mood killing with upsells and you get the the real time instead of a rushed 15 minute.

Finca Erotica never tried it, will keep it in mind.

On a good note, I checked sharks today, yeah 100 Euro is the norm ofc, but truth to be told they had a very good lineup, and many girls did not rush for a session with a proper conversation. Sharks for sure has the best LU in Germany right now and by a significant quality. I never used to enjoy Sharks much, but it made my vacation worth it this time.[/QUOTE]If You found Sharks casting good at the moment, I wonder who are beauties? But You should find beauties at Globe, even less natural on average and more expensive. Both casting are low level for me on 2022. I find better elsewhere in Germany and Switzerland for less expensive.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2711857]But I am saying it. Of course not all girls there are for everyone. But when I consistently find 10 girls in a club that I like, then it's a top 3 club for me in Europe. Those numbers are rare. During covid it didn't reach 10 for me, but now it seems to be back to those numbers again.

I'll make you a list here of 12 girls right now at wellcum listed as being there: Crina, Elisa, Emma, Helena, Leah, Lorena, Madelina, Mika, Olga, Ramona, Trisha, Valentina.

And that is just among the girls there I know I could go with. Lots of blanks or girls I haven't seen yet nor been with also. I know you don't like the silicon tits of Olga, and in general have a different taste than me. But others may have a similar taste in girls. A lot of top girls have gone missing from wellcum, and I could have listed maybe 50 girls like that over the past 5 years, but they have managed to somehow replace most of them to a good extent.[/QUOTE]Don't tell Russian speaking MILF Olga is pretty to pay for, even I love Russian words in sex, but I won't pay for such look. Bulgarian Lea is lovely, but not what I call pretty. And I didn't even notice others on my 3 or 4 visits on last Summer. I don't even plan to return on this Summer, when one but silicon is at 6 NL. Beautiful club with good foods, but very average for girls. GT Vienna should be higher level for me.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2711923]But I have stopped hyping up certain particular girls in any particular clubs now. Because the only thing that will happen is that some dudes from Dubai will read it, and they listen to me (reasonable of course) and hire the girls for jobs there instead. Or however it works in Dubai, I don't really know.[/QUOTE]Muslim people believe in god, so they do not buy prostitutes or have any sex before marriage! Well, that is what they say in front LOL! In general, those who believe in religion / god the most are the worst ones for everything in life LOL! I wonder why that is though?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2712072]Muslim people believe in god, so they do not buy prostitutes or have any sex before marriage! Well, that is what they say in front LOL! In general, those who believe in religion / god the most are the worst ones for everything in life LOL! I wonder why that is though?[/QUOTE]And they do lots of cornholing too since the bride must not have a broken flower at marriage LOL! It's OK to break the puckered, rosebud of a booty hole, but not the vaginal flower LOLOLOL! I ass fucked a cute Moroccan girl in Barcelona and it was very, very good haha!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2712072]Muslim people believe in god, so they do not buy prostitutes or have any sex before marriage! Well, that is what they say in front LOL! In general, those who believe in religion / god the most are the worst ones for everything in life LOL! I wonder why that is though?[/QUOTE]Muslims are allowed a temporary marriage for 30 minute sessions and then an oral divorce (no pun intended).

[QUOTE=Pistons;2711923]But I have stopped hyping up certain particular girls in any particular clubs now. Because the only thing that will happen is that some dudes from Dubai will read it, and they listen to me (reasonable of course) and hire the girls for jobs there instead. Or however it works in Dubai, I don't really know.[/QUOTE]Keep reporting. I promise I won't entice them to Dubai! That said, when I've mentioned to FKK girls that I've come from Dubai, I've had lots ask me about the scene here, modus operandi, prices, security (in terms of law) etc and I recognised a girl in Oase once from a club in Dubai and she confirmed it was her! You get a few Romanians here but it's more secure and easier for them to make the same money in Germany but we're blessed with hordes of Russians and Ukrainians etc who don't have the same options.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2712178]Keep reporting. I promise I won't entice them to Dubai! That said, when I've mentioned to FKK girls that I've come from Dubai, I've had lots ask me about the scene here, modus operandi, prices, security (in terms of law) etc and I recognised a girl in Oase once from a club in Dubai and she confirmed it was her! You get a few Romanians here but it's more secure and easier for them to make the same money in Germany but we're blessed with hordes of Russians and Ukrainians etc who don't have the same options.[/QUOTE]Point of information: All Ukrainian women do have the option of migrating to Germany since the start of the special military operation by Comrade P.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2712178]Keep reporting. I promise I won't entice them to Dubai! That said, when I've mentioned to FKK girls that I've come from Dubai, I've had lots ask me about the scene here, modus operandi, prices, security (in terms of law) etc and I recognised a girl in Oase once from a club in Dubai and she confirmed it was her! You get a few Romanians here but it's more secure and easier for them to make the same money in Germany but we're blessed with hordes of Russians and Ukrainians etc who don't have the same options.[/QUOTE]Is BBBJ common in Dubai? How are the pricing in Dubai?

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2712178]Keep reporting. I promise I won't entice them to Dubai! That said, when I've mentioned to FKK girls that I've come from Dubai, I've had lots ask me about the scene here, modus operandi, prices, security (in terms of law) etc and I recognised a girl in Oase once from a club in Dubai and she confirmed it was her! You get a few Romanians here but it's more secure and easier for them to make the same money in Germany but we're blessed with hordes of Russians and Ukrainians etc who don't have the same options.[/QUOTE]Not EU or brother countries can t get registration in Germany. When EU is welcoming Ukraine and Moldavia, maybe things will change. Russians escort in Paris, but can t work in FKK where only claimed Russian but not able to speak.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2712196]Is BBBJ common in Dubai? How are the pricing in Dubai?[/QUOTE]Dubai is the second most expensive destination in the world I have mongered in behind Switzerland. It's also one of the few places where I wasn't able to procure any anal. You can get BBBJs, but many of the women there don't want to do that. It's been awhile, so I don't recall pricing specifics. I love the diversity of women you can find in Dubai (best of any place in the world I have ever been), but otherwise I would not return to the UAE for the sole purpose of mongering. There are plenty of other better choices for spending your money for your pleasure.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2712188]Point of information: All Ukrainian women do have the option of migrating to Germany since the start of the special military operation by Comrade P.[/QUOTE]But don't mean registration to work.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2712333]Dubai is the second most expensive destination in the world I have mongered in behind Switzerland. It's also one of the few places where I wasn't able to procure any anal. You can get BBBJs, but many of the women there don't want to do that. It's been awhile, so I don't recall pricing specifics. I love the diversity of women you can find in Dubai (best of any place in the world I have ever been), but otherwise I would not return to the UAE for the sole purpose of mongering. There are plenty of other better choices for spending your money for your pleasure.[/QUOTE]So Germany, Switzerland and Brazil remain the best place haven for us rare bleed flying mongers LOL! Oh how we appreciate these nations LOL!

Brazil sound like amazing place to live too, if it is more safer than what I have heard even from Brazilian people themselves! I have been told it is really dangerous!

But as we once agreed, it is better to live far away to mongering place as it is too destructing for us to live too close to it, I kinda enjoy doing it few trips per year than every week or every few days!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2712333]Dubai is the second most expensive destination in the world I have mongered in behind Switzerland. It's also one of the few places where I wasn't able to procure any anal. You can get BBBJs, but many of the women there don't want to do that. It's been awhile, so I don't recall pricing specifics. I love the diversity of women you can find in Dubai (best of any place in the world I have ever been), but otherwise I would not return to the UAE for the sole purpose of mongering. There are plenty of other better choices for spending your money for your pleasure.[/QUOTE]P.S.: One place I would be interested to monger is Lebanon, beautiful girls, messed up economy and arguably more liberal bunch of Arabs, but I thin we will face same issue as Dubai there like harder BBBJ etc, so it sound like best to focus on Germany to catch immigrants for diversity mongering! I found some half Arabs in German FKK as so many diverse immigrants in Germany thanks to their 180 degree policy change after second world war!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2712443]but I thin we will face same issue as Dubai there like harder BBBJ etc,[/QUOTE]Actually Arab chics, like South East Asians, are completely OK with BBFS and BBBJ. It is the standard.

Great service and prices, modern clean facilities and friendly staff. Visiting the club is like trip back to pre-pandemic times.

* Facilities.

The inside has a dining area, kino, bar / lounge area, sauna and whirlpool. The wellness area is integrated into the bar / lounge area, but is separated by a glass wall. There is a nice garden with sunbeds, sitting groups and whirlpools.

The club has a modern nightclub interior. The mood, however, was relaxed rather than a partylike.

The lighting has a purple hue to it, which gives the place a neon like feel. See: [URL]https://www.saunaclub-venus.de/galerie/[/URL].

The facilities are well-kept and clean.

* Staff.

Friendly and helpful staff. Decent English skills.

* Food.

I arrived too late for lunch / breakfast.

You order from a menu. Beef, schnitzels, salads and pizzas are available. I had a schnitzel and a pizza. The schnitzel was ok, but I recommend the pizza, as it was restaurant quality.

At one time the bar maid handed out free ice cream, which was a nice touch.

* Girls.

I arrived at the club at 16:00 on Thursday. I'm guessing that there were about 10-12 girls there at day.

The girls seemed happy. They were chatting with each other and clients, laughing and smiling. It created a good atmosphere.

There were quite a few good looking girls, and the height-to-weight ratio was the best I've seen in any club post-pandemic. A couple of stunners, not much silicone, many normal body and only one overweight.

At one time, during rush hour, the visible lineup was down to two women. However, because the quality of the lineup was good, I did not have to wait long before a girl I wanted was available.

Many girls have good English skills. All were naked. I saw public action.

Spent time with Hana and Maya. One half hour room and one full hour room. Both girls were very nice, pleasant to talk to, and provided excellent service.

* Prices.

Entry was 50 euro, but only one meal is included, and beer is extra, so I ended up paying 70 euro total.

Girls charge 50 euro / half hour and 100 euro / hour. Licking, kissing and BBBJ included.

* Getting there.

The regional train goes door-to-door from Dusseldorf airport and Dusseldorf central station. Exit train at Hamminkeln station, take left, walk 100 meters. Train leaves every hour.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2712529]Actually Arab chics, like South East Asians, are completely OK with BBFS and BBBJ. It is the standard.[/QUOTE]The fact of the matter is that most of the women working in Dubai aren't Arab chicks. They are in the vast minority. I have barebacked one Arab tute. That was in Morocco. Getting BBBJs in Dubai isn't as hard as Ho makes it sound, but it isn't as easy as in Brazil or Germany either. And getting anal in Dubai definitely isn't easy. Just read the reports in those threads. And that was my experience too.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2712529]Actually Arab chics, like South East Asians, are completely OK with BBFS and BBBJ. It is the standard.[/QUOTE]Well, I am there to monger, not to date anyone, but tutes liking you helps a lot during the sessions LOL!

Prostitution seems legal in Lebanon, but none of the entity is permitted since 1970's I read! Where can mongers go to fuck stunner level arab girls, not some apes!

BBBJ is pretty much the norm in Dubai now but it's better to ask and confirm beforehand just to be on the safe side. Anal less rare (only done it once with an old regular within normal price) and offered it a coupe of times for extra but not my thing as I don't last very long with anal and I worry about the hygiene. BBFS is very rare and its not something I have ever tried to procure though my favourite regular offered it to me but I think she was trying to get pregnant and hoping I would marry her (in fairness she was one of the few girls I have met in this hobby where I thought if she wasnt a hooker and I met her in civilian life)

In the new world, pricing isn't too bad as there's been no hike post-Covid. You should be able to get a Russian etc stunner (ie equivalent to best girls in FKKs) for AED1500 which is about $400 which isn't too bad and that could be for all night but in reality 2 shots over 3-4 hours. At a push you might pay AEd2000 for cream of the crop but anything higher and you're paying over the odds. If you're lucky you can get a fit girl for AED1000 but it's all negotiable and so many variables such as looks, nationality, club, time of night, day of week, your negotiating skills etc. If you're into Asian (Chinese, Viets, Filipinos) or Africans (Kenyan, Ethiopian, Nigerian etc) you can maybe get the equivalent service for AEd600-800 or certainly AED1000 though the real stunners command the same as their white counterparts.

As someone has mentioned variety here is amazing. Whatever your flavour you'll find. Black, white, yellow, brown and all shades in between. In that respect following London's decline since brexit and the weak pound it's definitely the best place for variety of colours and nationalities in the world. Mainly Asians, Central Asia (ie Uzbeks etc and basically from all ex-soviet states), East Europe, Africa (both north especially Morocco and sub Sahara with healthy contingents from both west and east Africa), Indian subcontinent and other parts of the Middle East especially Iranian and Syrian.

The one major change in the market post-Covid has in fact been a positive development. Are now heaps of incall options (both agency and independents) mainly found on massage republic and you can have a stunner for an hour for AED1000 ($275) which isn't too different from current FKK rates. Mainly white and Asian advertise on MR and good looking Asians typically AED400-600 for an hour MR rates are also negotiable). My flavour is white girls supplemented by Central Asians who have a gorgeous Eurasian look about them and my go to agency charges AED800 for the hour and AED400 for 30 minutes. I think the change in law legalising sex before marriage together with Covid has seen an explosion in in-call options and that's become my modus operandi. Lots on Massage Republic now offering anal and other exotic options such as rimming.

The two things I always said Dubai lacked were good incall options for during the day and latinas but are now a decent amount of Brazilians and Colombians working. In fact have a couple of Brazilians earmarked as my next punts which Im looking forward to as along with Ukrainians I score them the highest when combining the two most important categories - looks and raunch factor.

Finally, are also heaps of massage parlours with a multitude of races but mainly Asian. All provide at least a HJ service and others full sex.

I probably wouldn't come here especially for a sex tour as the heyday was in the early to mid 2000's where you could get a stunner for all night for less than $200 but worth combining it with another activity like golf, beach, shopping, general holiday if that's your thing. That said plenty do, and if I was in Europe on my way to Thailand for a tour or from Korea etc on my way to Germany I would stop off for 48 hours and enjoy what Dubai has to offer especially as Emirates airline is better.

Personally, I prefer FKKs especially in the summer as lounging all day outside in the garden at say Oase surrounded by 80 nude females waiting to pleasure you when you’re ready is absolute bliss and there's nowhere like that in Dubai though I've heard one of the hotels on the Palm (Palm V) is pretty much tailor made for whoring with WGs milling around by its pool and beach so if that's true you can lounge around the pool / beach all day and grab a girl to take to your room as and when the mood takes you (apparently some of the girls have rooms there). I have yet to investigate.

So come some day and find out yourself - as the tourism tagline had it “Dubai is Open!”

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2712641]BBBJ is pretty much the norm in Dubai now but it's better to ask and confirm beforehand just to be on the safe side. Anal less rare (only done it once with an old regular within normal price) and offered it a coupe of times for extra but not my thing as I don't last very long with anal and I worry about the hygiene. BBFS is very rare and its not something I have ever tried to procure though my favourite regular offered it to me but I think she was trying to get pregnant and hoping I would marry her (in fairness she was one of the few girls I have met in this hobby where I thought if she wasn't a hooker and I met her in civilian life)

As someone has mentioned variety here is amazing. Whatever your flavour you'll find. Black, white, yellow, brown and all shades in between. In that respect following London's decline since brexit and the weak pound it's definitely the best place for variety of colours and nationalities in the world. Mainly Asians, Central Asia (ie Uzbeks etc and basically from all ex-soviet states), East Europe, Africa (both north and sub sahara), Indian subcontinent and other parts of the Middle East especially Iranian and Syrian.[/QUOTE]I think this is spot on. BBFS and anal is not par for the course in Dubai. Not at all! And you had better ask about BBBJs first (a good idea anywhere really). And as your description of "the major food groups" shows, you're not in southeast Asia anymore LOL! That said, there are lots of Filipinas plying their wares in Dubai, and I found those to be the one most open to BBFS (just like back at home). One even told me how she had been impregnated fucking in Dubai and had to abort (think it was an Arab guy), thus making her reticent to bareback again. The thing is, if I wanted Filipinas girls, then I would go to the Philippines, not to Dubai! Dang!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2712638]Where can mongers go to fuck stunner level arab girls?[/QUOTE]I've had Arab tutes in three different countries: Morocco, Spain (also Moroccan), and Germany (Lebanese Christian). That said, my experience with Arab girls is limited. The ones in Morocco proper were willing to bareback. I have far more experience with Muslim Turkish girls (from Turkey itself versus some other place like Germany), but Turks are not Arabs. I have found that among the Muslim girls I have had the pleasure of, the Turkish girls fuck the best. Indeed, my accolades are as follows: Moroccans (the loosest); Jordanians (the prettiest); Turks (the dirtiest); Lebanese (honorable mention for all around attributes). I guess I've been around more Arab / Muslim girls than I realize LOL! Another group that has some hot women is the Iranians (if you can get them out from under all of those clothes). Of course, again Iranians are not Arabs. But, they've certainly been influenced by Arab culture and religion. I fucked a model-quality Iranian girl in Hamburg. Just gorgeous Mr. Ho. She was so fine, I had to munch out her Persian pooty pocket (butt hole) hahaha! She liked that. Very much so! Hehehe!

The other thing I would add about Dubai is that post covid, the quality of girls has gone up both generally and in this profession. I put it down to it being one of the first places to re-open and the Russia / Ukraine war with more hotties coming over as the economic situation deteriorates in their home country (especially from Russia).

[QUOTE=TheCane;2712694]I've had Arab tutes in three different countries: Morocco, Spain (also Moroccan), and Germany (Lebanese Christian). That said, my experience with Arab girls is limited. The ones in Morocco proper were willing to bareback. I have far more experience with Muslim Turkish girls (from Turkey itself versus some other place like Germany), but Turks are not Arabs. I have found that among the Muslim girls I have had the pleasure of, the Turkish girls fuck the best. Indeed, my accolades are as follows: Moroccans (the loosest); Jordanians (the prettiest); Turks (the dirtiest); Lebanese (honorable mention for all around attributes). I guess I've been around more Arab / Muslim girls than I realize LOL! Another group that has some hot women is the Iranians (if you can get them out from under all of those clothes). Of course, again Iranians are not Arabs. But, they've certainly been influenced by Arab culture and religion. I fucked a model-quality Iranian girl in Hamburg. Just gorgeous Mr. Ho. She was so fine, I had to munch out her Persian pooty pocket (butt hole) hahaha! She liked that. Very much so! Hehehe![/QUOTE]This guideline by Dr. Cane should be in "Reports of Distinction".

[QUOTE=TheCane;2712694]I've had Arab tutes in three different countries: Morocco, Spain (also Moroccan), and Germany (Lebanese Christian). That said, my experience with Arab girls is limited. The ones in Morocco proper were willing to bareback. I have far more experience with Muslim Turkish girls (from Turkey itself versus some other place like Germany), but Turks are not Arabs. I have found that among the Muslim girls I have had the pleasure of, the Turkish girls fuck the best. Indeed, my accolades are as follows: Moroccans (the loosest); Jordanians (the prettiest); Turks (the dirtiest); Lebanese (honorable mention for all around attributes). I guess I've been around more Arab / Muslim girls than I realize LOL! Another group that has some hot women is the Iranians (if you can get them out from under all of those clothes). Of course, again Iranians are not Arabs. But, they've certainly been influenced by Arab culture and religion. I fucked a model-quality Iranian girl in Hamburg. Just gorgeous Mr. Ho. She was so fine, I had to munch out her Persian pooty pocket (butt hole) hahaha! She liked that. Very much so! Hehehe![/QUOTE]I had Arabs in German FKK and also in Switzerland, but I never mongered in Dubai yet, but as you know I have been to Dubai for just normal holiday!

Turks, yes I have also in FKK and they are also good hearted too and yeah they are good in bed and dirty LOL!

Persian, I had Eurasians that are half Iranian and half Japanese, and wow they were exotic beauties, but unfortunately, I never had Iranian girls that is 100 % Iranian yet! But I would like to LOL!

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2712641]BBBJ is pretty much the norm in Dubai now but it's better to ask and confirm beforehand just to be on the safe side. Anal less rare (only done it once with an old regular within normal price) and offered it a coupe of times for extra but not my thing as I don't last very long with anal and I worry about the hygiene. BBFS is very rare and its not something I have ever tried to procure though my favourite regular offered it to me but I think she was trying to get pregnant and hoping I would marry her (in fairness she was one of the few girls I have met in this hobby where I thought if she wasnt a hooker and I met her in civilian life)

In the new world, pricing isn't too bad as there's been no hike post-Covid. You should be able to get a Russian etc stunner (ie equivalent to best girls in FKKs) for AED1500 which is about $400 which isn't too bad and that could be for all night but in reality 2 shots over 3-4 hours. At a push you might pay AEd2000 for cream of the crop but anything higher and you're paying over the odds. If you're lucky you can get a fit girl for AED1000 but it's all negotiable and so many variables such as looks, nationality, club, time of night, day of week, your negotiating skills etc. If you're into Asian (Chinese, Viets, Filipinos) or Africans (Kenyan, Ethiopian, Nigerian etc) you can maybe get the equivalent service for AEd600-800 or certainly AED1000 though the real stunners command the same as their white counterparts.

As someone has mentioned variety here is amazing. Whatever your flavour you'll find. Black, white, yellow, brown and all shades in between. In that respect following London's decline since brexit and the weak pound it's definitely the best place for variety of colours and nationalities in the world. Mainly Asians, Central Asia (ie Uzbeks etc and basically from all ex-soviet states), East Europe, Africa (both north especially Morocco and sub Sahara with healthy contingents from both west and east Africa), Indian subcontinent and other parts of the Middle East especially Iranian and Syrian.[/QUOTE]Basically, Dubai seems to have disco set up where you go to disco like you are going to normal disco, but all or most of girls inside are prostitutes, so you just have to find the look you like and approach her subtly to see if she is a prostitute or not which can be quite a hassle as she can in some rare case can be a normal girl with a guy and here is me asking her if she is a prostitute basically LOL! But I heat almost all are prostitutes in certain discos! And higher up the level of the disco is in 5 star hotels, the higher level of stunners are expected to be there and 500 usd is not bad price if DFK and BBBJ is often included!

Dubai sound like nice place to live, tax free! Nice beach, good food, safe, and options of say 300 to 500 usd for different varieties of stunners are available during night time! I hope it stays liberal as it sound like now! And the cost of living in Dubai is not that bad right?

Just a point of inquiry here.

Isn't it going to be like 130 degrees Farenheight in Dubai for the next coming months?

At that rate you can't wait outside at a bus stop or train, which I assume there are no trains there but busses are out. So that would mean you would need a rental car with really good tint and air conditioning. So what are the rental car and hotel room rates there?

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2712641]BBBJ is pretty much the norm in Dubai now but it's better to ask and confirm beforehand just to be on the safe side. Anal less rare (only done it once with an old regular within normal price) and offered it a coupe of times for extra but not my thing as I don't last very long with anal and I worry about the hygiene. BBFS is very rare and its not something I have ever tried to procure though my favourite regular offered it to me but I think she was trying to get pregnant and hoping I would marry her (in fairness she was one of the few girls I have met in this hobby where I thought if she wasnt a hooker and I met her in civilian life)

In the new world, pricing isn't too bad as there's been no hike post-Covid. You should be able to get a Russian etc stunner (ie equivalent to best girls in FKKs) for AED1500 which is about $400 which isn't too bad and that could be for all night but in reality 2 shots over 3-4 hours. At a push you might pay AEd2000 for cream of the crop but anything higher and you're paying over the odds. If you're lucky you can get a fit girl for AED1000 but it's all negotiable and so many variables such as looks, nationality, club, time of night, day of week, your negotiating skills etc. If you're into Asian (Chinese, Viets, Filipinos) or Africans (Kenyan, Ethiopian, Nigerian etc) you can maybe get the equivalent service for AEd600-800 or certainly AED1000 though the real stunners command the same as their white counterparts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2712801]Just a point of inquiry here.

Isn't it going to be like 130 degrees Farenheight in Dubai for the next coming months?

At that rate you can't wait outside at a bus stop or train, which I assume there are no trains there but busses are out. So that would mean you would need a rental car with really good tint and air conditioning. So what are the rental car and hotel room rates there?[/QUOTE]The best answers for hotel rates and rental car rates are at expedia LOL!

Dr Poon. Yes, is unbearably hot now and will be until mid-October at least but the whole place is geared up for that. Taxis are cheap and plentiful so unless you are a blue collar worker here you don't use buses. You might use the metro if both ends of your journey are next to it but otherwise most tourists and white collar get taxis. If I was a tourist I would stick to taxis and only hire a car if I wanted to visit another emirate for sightseeing. I believe hotel rates are also much more reasonable during the summer months and the 5 star hotels are very luxurious.

Mr Ho. Yes is a disco set up but lots of the clubs are 100% hooker clubs so no chance of mistaken approaches. Some bars especially trendy ones in 5 star hotels attract both civilians and pros but it's easy enough to tell the difference. But the past year or so, Incall / outcall options via the internet (check out Massage Republic) has become a major segment of the market to the extent that post-Covid I don’t bother with clubs anymore. Cost of living here is overall similar to London with food, drink, clothing being more expensive but housing, transport, cinema cheaper. Cost of pussy was higher in Dubai especially for short time but I would say about the same now or not much difference and long time is cheaper here.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2712901]Dr Poon. Yes, is unbearably hot now and will be until mid-October at least but the whole place is geared up for that. Taxis are cheap and plentiful so unless you are a blue collar worker here you don't use buses. You might use the metro if both ends of your journey are next to it but otherwise most tourists and white collar get taxis. If I was a tourist I would stick to taxis and only hire a car if I wanted to visit another emirate for sightseeing. I believe hotel rates are also much more reasonable during the summer months and the 5 star hotels are very luxurious.

Mr Ho. Yes is a disco set up but lots of the clubs are 100% hooker clubs so no chance of mistaken approaches. Some bars especially trendy ones in 5 star hotels attract both civilians and pros but it's easy enough to tell the difference. But the past year or so, Incall / outcall options via the internet (check out Massage Republic) has become a major segment of the market to the extent that post-Covid I don't bother with clubs anymore. Cost of living here is overall similar to London with food, drink, clothing being more expensive but housing, transport, cinema cheaper. Cost of pussy was higher in Dubai especially for short time but I would say about the same now or not much difference and long time is cheaper here.[/QUOTE]Dubai sound like very reasonable place to live and it is good to know housing prices I guess the rent is reasonable comparison to London!

For food, I mean I understand as you have to fly it in from abroad, but it did not look too bad when I just googled it about super market price for grocery shopping!

Plus no tax condition must be heavenly!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2710130]Sounds like you already did the RTFF. Next unless you visit Globe / Aphrodisia and experience yourself, I don't believe you'll have a clearer understanding of looks, quality and service of their girls. I suggest take a plunge on Thu, Fri or Saturday (Sun, Mon, Tue are ok but less number of girls, Wed is slowest, so least number of girls). If you like it, do repeat visits. If not, don't repeat, and you'll also have a baseline based on your own experience when reading future reports from at Globe.[/QUOTE]After much deliberation, I've decided to make it to Zurich instead of Frankfurt for two nights as a stopover on my way back to Dubai. Flights were cheaper though I'm sure everything else will be pricier including girls but thought it'the be good to experience something new rather than a Palace / Oase combo which is what I was going to do in Frankfurt.

I'm hoping there will be enough of interest for me to spend both days at Globe (Friday and Saturday) but in case I'm underwhelmed by Globe what would be a good Plan be for Zurich (ideally something no more expensive and larger line ups and outdoor area preferred).

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2712998]After much deliberation, I've decided to make it to Zurich instead of Frankfurt for two nights as a stopover on my way back to Dubai. Flights were cheaper though I'm sure everything else will be pricier including girls but thought it'the be good to experience something new rather than a Palace / Oase combo which is what I was going to do in Frankfurt.

I'm hoping there will be enough of interest for me to spend both days at Globe (Friday and Saturday) but in case I'm underwhelmed by Globe what would be a good Plan be for Zurich (ideally something no more expensive and larger line ups and outdoor area preferred).[/QUOTE]Prettier looks at Gold Dusseldorf airport than at Globe for 40/30 vs 150/30. 5/6 girls prettier than at Sharks and of course Oase. And deep Rhur is full of interest. 150/90 on last night, 200/120 on previous times with a really willing to please German. NRW is by far best value for money on 2022. Let s see for Golden gate.

Hi guys,

I am planning my first FKK visit. I've read many information here but because of covid some of them are not actual probably. This is the reason why I would like to ask for some information.

- are 50/30 100/60 prices out or are there still good FKK clubs where they have these prices?

- are there some clubs where is normal to have public sex like in swingers party? Or at least where are girls naked?

- is it possible to stay overnight in club (like in hotel)?

- or any helpful tips, good clubs for first visit?

Thank you for your help. I will make reviews after my visit. And if somebody want help about Prague scene, don't hesitate and ask.

[QUOTE=Alan85;2713138]Hi guys,

I am planning my first FKK visit. I've read many information here but because of covid some of them are not actual probably. This is the reason why I would like to ask for some information.

- are 50/30 100/60 prices out or are there still good FKK clubs where they have these prices?

- are there some clubs where is normal to have public sex like in swingers party? Or at least where are girls naked?

- is it possible to stay overnight in club (like in hotel)?

- or any helpful tips, good clubs for first visit?

Thank you for your help. I will make reviews after my visit. And if somebody want help about Prague scene, don't hesitate and ask.[/QUOTE]Oceans Dusseldorf close at 7 am on Saturday and Sunday morning, then You go to run to the dome and You are strong to fuck girls, not even needing viagra.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2712934]Dubai sound like very reasonable place to live[/QUOTE]Well, if you don't mind living in a hellhole where you can't literally be outside for more than an hour at a time because of the weather all year round, with zero history, culture, museums, zero vegetation, no alcohol, no porn, zero environmental awareness and modern day slavery, then yes, good place to live.

[QUOTE=PlayToDef;2713422]Well, if you don't mind living in a hellhole where you can't literally be outside for more than an hour at a time because of the weather all year round, with zero history, culture, museums, zero vegetation, no alcohol, no porn, zero environmental awareness and modern day slavery, then yes, good place to live.[/QUOTE]For sure, UAE have no other interest for life than making money, when sand on sea. Globe Dubai is just ridiculous.

[QUOTE=PlayToDef;2713422]Well, if you don't mind living in a hellhole where you can't literally be outside for more than an hour at a time because of the weather all year round, with zero history, culture, museums, zero vegetation, no alcohol, no porn, zero environmental awareness and modern day slavery, then yes, good place to live.[/QUOTE]Tax is very attractive for some people and living 6 months and one day in Dubai do not sound bad to me as long as stunner pussies are offered and as for food, Dubai is not Tokyo or Paris, but Dubai do offer some good enough food that are flying in, so cannot complain with the set up of such a lucrative tax deal of 0 % ! And the beaches!

As for outside, when I went long ago in 2000 to Dubai, it had big shopping malls culture, so that is outside in Dubai I guess LOL! I presumed malls got more and better comparison to 22 years ago when I was there! Oh and hotels were nice, but as for culture, it is limited comparison to Italy, Japan or France, but I can manage without it for 6 months and 1 day per year!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2712072]Muslim people believe in god, so they do not buy prostitutes or have any sex before marriage! Well, that is what they say in front LOL! In general, those who believe in religion / god the most are the worst ones for everything in life LOL! I wonder why that is though?[/QUOTE]I could tell you, but I am too lazy now. But you are right. We see that with the vatican and the little choir boys there.

And I believe I have tried to explain in the past also here how the western religions are in essence evil.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2712641] I think the change in law legalizing sex before marriage together with Covid has seen an explosion in in-call options and that's become my modus operandi.[/QUOTE]So if I am reading you correctly, then p6 is now legal in Dubai for everyone who is not yet married? But illegal for married people? Is this correct?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2712047]Don't tell Russian speaking MILF Olga is pretty to pay for, even I love Russian words in sex, but I won't pay for such look. Bulgarian Lea is lovely, but not what I call pretty. And I didn't even notice others on my 3 or 4 visits on last Summer. I don't even plan to return on this Summer, when one but silicon is at 6 NL. Beautiful club with good foods, but very average for girls. GT Vienna should be higher level for me.[/QUOTE]Your loss. Wellcum is in a league above Artemis / Oase / Sharks / Goldentime now. (haven't tested other clubs in 2022).

[QUOTE=MrHo;2713608]Tax is very attractive for some people and living 6 months and one day in Dubai do not sound bad to me as long as stunner pussies are offered and as for food, Dubai is not Tokyo or Paris, but Dubai do offer some good enough food that are flying in, so cannot complain with the set up of such a lucrative tax deal of 0 % ! And the beaches!

As for outside, when I went long ago in 2000 to Dubai, it had big shopping malls culture, so that is outside in Dubai I guess LOL! I presumed malls got more and better comparison to 22 years ago when I was there! Oh and hotels were nice, but as for culture, it is limited comparison to Italy, Japan or France, but I can manage without it for 6 months and 1 day per year![/QUOTE]Yep, Dubai hotels got much better now compared to 2000. And a huge plus (some might call it an annoying minus haha) is that in most hotel bars, if a guy or couple of guys order drinks, in less than 5 minutes some Russian or Ukrainian working girls will come over to chat / seduce the guys LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2713608]Tax is very attractive for some people and living 6 months and one day in Dubai do not sound bad to me as long as stunner pussies are offered and as for food, Dubai is not Tokyo or Paris, but Dubai do offer some good enough food that are flying in, so cannot complain with the set up of such a lucrative tax deal of 0 % ! And the beaches!

As for outside, when I went long ago in 2000 to Dubai, it had big shopping malls culture, so that is outside in Dubai I guess LOL! I presumed malls got more and better comparison to 22 years ago when I was there! Oh and hotels were nice, but as for culture, it is limited comparison to Italy, Japan or France, but I can manage without it for 6 months and 1 day per year![/QUOTE]At least a burka can protect from the sun down there.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2713608]Tax is very attractive for some people and living 6 months and one day in Dubai do not sound bad to me as long as stunner pussies are offered and as for food, Dubai is not Tokyo or Paris, but Dubai do offer some good enough food that are flying in, so cannot complain with the set up of such a lucrative tax deal of 0 % ! And the beaches!

As for outside, when I went long ago in 2000 to Dubai, it had big shopping malls culture, so that is outside in Dubai I guess LOL! I presumed malls got more and better comparison to 22 years ago when I was there! Oh and hotels were nice, but as for culture, it is limited comparison to Italy, Japan or France, but I can manage without it for 6 months and 1 day per year![/QUOTE]This of course begs the question how does one as a foreigner without membership in an oil cartel earn money in Dubai?

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2715165]This of course begs the question how does one as a foreigner without membership in an oil cartel earn money in Dubai?[/QUOTE]I can make money abroad without being there, so I can base myself in Dubai, but beside mongering, I am cultural guy, so only cities I can think of living are in Japan like Tokyo or Kyoto or some other rural cities that are rich in culture, Paris, Zurich, Geneve or any culturally rich European nations or Scandinavia etc, but all these nations including my own have high tax rate in exchange for good social security and high quality of life!

Dubai got its issues, but it is live-able and has its own fake plastic culture LOL! Their original culture of fishing village is not very appealing and desert culture is nice only for few days LOL!

So beautiful beach and tax and good looking bad service prostitutes from Ukraine and Russia are sunny side up of Dubai LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2715163]At least a burka can protect from the sun down there.[/QUOTE]Ah Birkas, I call them Ninjas LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2715050]Your loss. Wellcum is in a league above Artemis / Oase / Sharks / Goldentime now. (haven't tested other clubs in 2022).[/QUOTE]Beautiful club with good foods and I love Corinthians, but not good for who love kissing and pretty faces on natural body. Even didn't find yet the good S5 one, I should not find white like a elegant bride, but I will start my tour on 14 July up to Iseran, good breakfast for first run since mid November, then Aosta up to Gran San Bernardino and should go for Zoncolan, 28% Mione Gentile and Mortirolo on September when I will have few kilometers in red zone, but I don t plan Wellcum when only 1 hour speeding around Tarvisio. Unfortunately, GT Vienna is too far.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2715303]Beautiful club with good foods and I love Corinthians, but not good for who love kissing and pretty faces on natural body. Even didn't find yet the good S5 one, I should not find white like a elegant bride, but I will start my tour on 14 July up to Iseran, good breakfast for first run since mid November, then Aosta up to Gran San Bernardino and should go for Zoncolan, 28% Mione Gentile and Mortirolo on September when I will have few kilometers in red zone, but I don t plan Wellcum when only 1 hour speeding around Tarvisio. Unfortunately, GT Vienna is too far.[/QUOTE]Recently I spotted about 60 faces at Wellcum prettier than Kate's out of 110 or so.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2715520]Recently I spotted about 60 faces at Wellcum prettier than Kate's out of 110 or so.[/QUOTE]Since exceptional Lena. Ro on 2017,6 hours on 4 days, who was higher level in bed than Kate, I never saw any Kate level at Wellcum, unfortunately, but Darla and Miss what the fuck becoming plastic dolls. Not high level on my visits since 2019.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2715520]Recently I spotted about 60 faces at Wellcum prettier than Kate's out of 110 or so.[/QUOTE]He has different taste, he like old women with wrinkles who looks like old single suffering mum, he calls that wow woman princess type LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2715626]Since exceptional Lena. Ro on 2017,6 hours on 4 days, who was higher level in bed than Kate, I never saw any Kate level at Wellcum, unfortunately, but Darla and Miss what the fuck becoming plastic dolls. Not high level on my visits since 2019.[/QUOTE]I still find girls with curvy round ass, but really not many are able to put ass for doggy like Kate. She was queen for doggy, a real pleasure.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2715844]Average male client at Welcum is slimmer and younger than the average client you see in German clubs. Because of this, girls have a more narrow range for acceptable physical standards for their clients. Older clients at Welcum likely are the ones who struggle in obtaining DFK at clubs like Welcum. For kissing and service, it's about the same as in Germany for clients who stay within the typical physical average of Welcum's average guests.[/QUOTE]Aha, so you are saying that the line up at Welcum is better than most German FKK clubs?

At the same time, my understanding is that those FKK girls the most beautiful ones tend to go where the money is so near the city upsell clubs! But is Wellcum good place for making money for girls too beside the clients are younger and better looking than German FKK? Because money is the juice for these girls!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2715903]I still find girls with curvy round ass, but really not many are able to put ass for doggy like Kate. She was queen for doggy, a real pleasure.[/QUOTE]Kate will definitely be missed. I don't need to say much about her body, it was absolutely stunning. However, she was one of the best service girls in all of Germany and with a great attitude. Back when she just started at Golden Time for a week or two. I took her for a 30 min session just to try her but I came in her mouth just 10 minutes in. She just smiled and kept sucking me. Shortly she told me I can cum as many times I want and our time isn't finished. I was amazed. Almost every girl would've ended the session right there after a quick cum for 50 + 25 E but not Kate. She made sure the full 30 min was up and even sucked out a second pop. Sadly I had some other arrangements that day and ended our first 30 min session. I paid her 75 E for 30 min and 2 times finish in her mouth. She didn't complain about anything and wanted to see me the next day.

Then the next day I booked her for 6 hours and emptied my balls into her throat at least 7 times. She was never shy for cum. She did almost everything I wanted. Only thing she didn't let me do was finger her pussy. She would lick my balls and let me bounce my wet balls on her face. She even let me squat on her face and drag my balls on her face LOL. Fucked her in every position I wanted and as much as I wanted. Never complained about anything ever and was always encouraging me to pump more cum into her mouth. I would ask her where does my cum go and she would open her mouth and stick out her tongue. Then she'll tell me to give her my load.

For the next few years I'd always book her for a few full days every time I was in Germany and the service level never degraded. Every time I'd go home happy with my ball emptied. Then in June 2020 she wrote me she is done and this was the end of our relationship. She deleted her WhatsApp soon afterwards. A real sad lose for all of us. I believe even today if it wasn't for COVID she'll still be draining my balls today.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2715931]Kate will definitely be missed. I don't need to say much about her body, it was absolutely stunning. However, she was one of the best service girls in all of Germany and with a great attitude. Back when she just started at Golden Time for a week or two. I took her for a 30 min session just to try her but I came in her mouth just 10 minutes in. She just smiled and kept sucking me. Shortly she told me I can cum as many times I want and our time isn't finished. I was amazed. Almost every girl would've ended the session right there after a quick cum for 50 + 25 E but not Kate. She made sure the full 30 min was up and even sucked out a second pop. Sadly I had some other arrangements that day and ended our first 30 min session. I paid her 75 E for 30 min and 2 times finish in her mouth. She didn't complain about anything and wanted to see me the next day.

Then the next day I booked her for 6 hours and emptied my balls into her throat at least 7 times. She was never shy for cum. She did almost everything I wanted. Only thing she didn't let me do was finger her pussy. She would lick my balls and let me bounce my wet balls on her face. She even let me squat on her face and drag my balls on her face LOL. Fucked her in every position I wanted and as much as I wanted. Never complained about anything ever and was always encouraging me to pump more cum into her mouth. I would ask her where does my cum go and she would open her mouth and stick out her tongue. Then she'll tell me to give her my load.

For the next few years I'd always book her for a few full days every time I was in Germany and the service level never degraded. Every time I'd go home happy with my ball emptied. Then in June 2020 she wrote me she is done and this was the end of our relationship. She deleted her WhatsApp soon afterwards. A real sad lose for all of us. I believe even today if it wasn't for COVID she'll still be draining my balls today.[/QUOTE]I had to be careful to fuck her, I couldn't take her as first in Bruggen because she couldn't anymore, painful for her, but she knew how I was careful not to hurt her. I prefer to fuck than CIM, from my sex model from my previous life, but I loved her tasty honey. I loved when she put her face in sheet with her so sexy ass up, one of my best for doggy, when most girls try not to get too deep. A lovely girl, but at 30 , I wish her a better life with her project. Maybe one day, I will jump from helicopter to free ride in Alaska, when I chose at Velbert. Quite average for BJ for me, I never felt I could finish in her mouth, not skillful enough for me, and not improving with her new nose she didn't need.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2715303]Beautiful club with good foods and I love Corinthians, but not good for who love kissing and pretty faces on natural body. Even didn't find yet the good S5 one, I should not find white like a elegant bride, but I will start my tour on 14 July up to Iseran, good breakfast for first run since mid November, then Aosta up to Gran San Bernardino and should go for Zoncolan, 28% Mione Gentile and Mortirolo on September when I will have few kilometers in red zone, but I don t plan Wellcum when only 1 hour speeding around Tarvisio. Unfortunately, GT Vienna is too far.[/QUOTE]Carinthian mountains, not Corinthians Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2716113]I had to be careful to fuck her, I couldn't take her as first in Bruggen because she couldn't anymore, painful for her, but she knew how I was careful not to hurt her. I prefer to fuck than CIM, from my sex model from my previous life, but I loved her tasty honey. I loved when she put her face in sheet with her so sexy ass up, one of my best for doggy, when most girls try not to get too deep. A lovely girl, but at 30 , I wish her a better life with her project. Maybe one day, I will jump from helicopter to free ride in Alaska, when I chose at Velbert. Quite average for BJ for me, I never felt I could finish in her mouth, not skillful enough for me, and not improving with her new nose she didn't need.[/QUOTE]Kate would always let me know when she went holiday. I would plan my travels to Germany around her return to Germany as well. She gets so tight after her holidays because she doesn't get fucked much in her personal life. She knew that I liked to be the first one to open her up for work as well. My size worked well for her. I have all the freedom to fuck her anyway I wanted and as hard as I wanted, OK except for the first few minutes I have to be slow and careful. But after those first few minutes it was a full day of hard fucking and throat filling. She would cream so much on my dick on those first days that at first I thought my condom broke and creampied her LOL!

Kate is a great girl over all and I wish nothing but the best for her. She's not the princess type but a real women. She is a good person to talk to and be around with. We've had plenty of good times outside of the bedroom because she knows I'm respectful of her as a person on a personal level. She is really smart and have good ideas about life in general. That's why she'll most likely never return and will have a great life ahead of her. That I'm sure of.

But in the club or bedroom she is different and we play differently as well. She knows she is my dirty cum dump. She knows where my cum goes and worships my balls on her face. She knows how many times I need to fill her up to empty my balls and won't let me leave until that's done. Those were the good days.

Kate will be missed indeed. She is a good girl that you rarely find in FKKs.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2715931]Kate will definitely be missed. I don't need to say much about her body, it was absolutely stunning. However, she was one of the best service girls in all of Germany and with a great attitude. Back when she just started at Golden Time for a week or two. I took her for a 30 min session just to try her but I came in her mouth just 10 minutes in. She just smiled and kept sucking me. Shortly she told me I can cum as many times I want and our time isn't finished. I was amazed. Almost every girl would've ended the session right there after a quick cum for 50 + 25 E but not Kate. She made sure the full 30 min was up and even sucked out a second pop. Sadly I had some other arrangements that day and ended our first 30 min session. I paid her 75 E for 30 min and 2 times finish in her mouth. She didn't complain about anything and wanted to see me the next day.

Then the next day I booked her for 6 hours and emptied my balls into her throat at least 7 times. She was never shy for cum. She did almost everything I wanted. Only thing she didn't let me do was finger her pussy. She would lick my balls and let me bounce my wet balls on her face. She even let me squat on her face and drag my balls on her face LOL. Fucked her in every position I wanted and as much as I wanted. Never complained about anything ever and was always encouraging me to pump more cum into her mouth. I would ask her where does my cum go and she would open her mouth and stick out her tongue. Then she'll tell me to give her my load.

For the next few years I'd always book her for a few full days every time I was in Germany and the service level never degraded. Every time I'd go home happy with my ball emptied. Then in June 2020 she wrote me she is done and this was the end of our relationship. She deleted her WhatsApp soon afterwards. A real sad lose for all of us. I believe even today if it wasn't for COVID she'll still be draining my balls today.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2715844]Average male client at Welcum is slimmer and younger than the average client you see in German clubs. Because of this, girls have a more narrow range for acceptable physical standards for their clients. Older clients at Welcum likely are the ones who struggle in obtaining DFK at clubs like Welcum. For kissing and service, it's about the same as in Germany for clients who stay within the typical physical average of Welcum's average guests.[/QUOTE]I m slimmer than most Wellcum clients who would not be able to climb Zoncolan at 100 kms, you should go and try, and of course bigger size than most and a prettier face than you. Wellcum girls are lower level for GFE than in Germany, when Italians don't look for love in bed, but like to chat as say girls, but you have to buy bottles of champagne for girls, when I don't, but I fuck them.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2716220]Kate would always let me know when she went holiday. I would plan my travels to Germany around her return to Germany as well. She gets so tight after her holidays because she doesn't get fucked much in her personal life. She knew that I liked to be the first one to open her up for work as well. My size worked well for her. I have all the freedom to fuck her anyway I wanted and as hard as I wanted, OK except for the first few minutes I have to be slow and careful. But after those first few minutes it was a full day of hard fucking and throat filling. She would cream so much on my dick on those first days that at first I thought my condom broke and creampied her LOL![/QUOTE]When she made 20 rooms per day for 2 years in Velbert before Bruggen, her vagina probably became less wet and flexible and I knew I would have hurt her if I was her first for her day at Bruggen, so I waited one opened her and I made her with honey before fucking her, entering and starting to move carefully. Cream was wet gel on condom. Honey was her, I enjoyed she happened to trust me for this, when I worked hard from our start among her rabbits rooms in Velbert. One of the smartest, when they are not many, reason why she became the busiest superstar at number 1 Bruggen, from her start fucked by so many Turkish daily. I remember when I saw her having 3 rooms in 1 hour, about 10 rooms between 8 pm and 1 am. Sex machine at this time. I was told she kept on in business a bit after Bruggen covid closing.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2716220]Kate would always let me know when she went holiday. I would plan my travels to Germany around her return to Germany as well. She gets so tight after her holidays because she doesn't get fucked much in her personal life. She knew that I liked to be the first one to open her up for work as well. My size worked well for her. I have all the freedom to fuck her anyway I wanted and as hard as I wanted, OK except for the first few minutes I have to be slow and careful. But after those first few minutes it was a full day of hard fucking and throat filling. She would cream so much on my dick on those first days that at first I thought my condom broke and creampied her LOL![/QUOTE]FKK gives us the memories that we treasure for life! That is one of many great thing about FKK that make us keep coming back LOL!

Globe entrance is cheap or at least reasonable, I thought about this and let me explain:

In Switzerland, cheap lunch or dinner cost you at least 20 chf in some curry place or normal not good level restaurant, so for one day you are looking at with drinks 25 chf to 30 chf minimum for limited food of one plate and a drink like water, so about 50 to 60 chf per day right? Plus let add 10 chf on that for breakfast some 2 croissant and coffee, so that would make it about 70 chf for food per day for fly in mongers minimum!

Globe entrance is 95 chf now right? So 70 chf for unlimited amount of food like sald, soup, pasta etc and all non alcohol drinks you want is not bad deal at all, plus free nude girls, free saunas etc included! So the entrance for swiss FKK where things are more expensive than Germany is reasonable deal!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2717172]Globe entrance is cheap or at least reasonable, I thought about this and let me explain:

In Switzerland, cheap lunch or dinner cost you at least 20 chf in some curry place or normal not good level restaurant, so for one day you are looking at with drinks 25 chf to 30 chf minimum for limited food of one plate and a drink like water, so about 50 to 60 chf per day right? Plus let add 10 chf on that for breakfast some 2 croissant and coffee, so that would make it about 70 chf for food per day for fly in mongers minimum!

Globe entrance is 95 chf now right? So 70 chf for unlimited amount of food like sald, soup, pasta etc and all non alcohol drinks you want is not bad deal at all, plus free nude girls, free saunas etc included! So the entrance for swiss FKK where things are more expensive than Germany is reasonable deal![/QUOTE]Sorry buddy, the only way I can see the higher Swiss price justified is if I can find higher level eye candy. The rest is irrelevant, especially food prices. I have been to Globe 3 times, each time during a trip to German FKKs. I carve up 4/5 days in the middle to go to Zurich by train. On some trips, I felt the eye candy available justified the higher prices. By eye candy available, I mean chicks that I can have a session with. I have seen many times eye candy in the bar area but they disappear quickly.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2717189]Sorry buddy, the only way I can see the higher Swiss price justified is if I can find higher level eye candy. The rest is irrelevant, especially food prices. I have been to Globe 3 times, each time during a trip to German FKKs. I carve up 4/5 days in the middle to go to Zurich by train. On some trips, I felt the eye candy available justified the higher prices. By eye candy available, I mean chicks that I can have a session with. I have seen many times eye candy in the bar area but they disappear quickly.[/QUOTE]I agree, but I was just thinking about the price of food in Zurich and if one were to eat all meals at globe, then it is quite reasonable, but yes, the most important thing is the line up! Which Ingo is quite fair enough good at doing and the service and the time is guaranteed!

I hear Ukrainian girls can work in eu for 3 years now, so it may boost up the line up both in German FKK and even at globe? We shall see how the line up will be post covid!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2717172]Globe entrance is cheap or at least reasonable, I thought about this and let me explain:

In Switzerland, cheap lunch or dinner cost you at least 20 chf in some curry place or normal not good level restaurant, so for one day you are looking at with drinks 25 chf to 30 chf minimum for limited food of one plate and a drink like water, so about 50 to 60 chf per day right? Plus let add 10 chf on that for breakfast some 2 croissant and coffee, so that would make it about 70 chf for food per day for fly in mongers minimum!

Globe entrance is 95 chf now right? So 70 chf for unlimited amount of food like sald, soup, pasta etc and all non alcohol drinks you want is not bad deal at all, plus free nude girls, free saunas etc included! So the entrance for swiss FKK where things are more expensive than Germany is reasonable deal![/QUOTE]Not only do I disagree but I would like to add that the food at Globe sucks.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2717189]Sorry buddy, the only way I can see the higher Swiss price justified is if I can find higher level eye candy. The rest is irrelevant, especially food prices. I have been to Globe 3 times, each time during a trip to German FKKs. I carve up 4/5 days in the middle to go to Zurich by train. On some trips, I felt the eye candy available justified the higher prices. By eye candy available, I mean chicks that I can have a session with. I have seen many times eye candy in the bar area but they disappear quickly.[/QUOTE]Zurich clubs are expensive because ZH is expensive, not anymore because higher looks or higher level for sex, except for porn. At Globe or Aphrodisia, I would not pay 50 for most girls. Probably the Globe busiest is told to be hairy on belly and not able to really kiss like a woman. Most of Globe clients don t know anything else, they think still the best and because expensive. They are not very demanding for more than fresh meat with plastic. Many girls worked in Germany before and put silicon for Globe, and except Sofia ex Artemis, not the prettiest from Germany, when I find prettier looks in Germany.

[QUOTE=JackalLtt;2717398]Not only do I disagree but I would like to add that the food at Globe sucks.[/QUOTE]And also low level rooms with not good light, not so see too much girls, when most now are not even pretty.

[QUOTE=JackalLtt;2717398]Not only do I disagree but I would like to add that the food at Globe sucks.[/QUOTE]Haha, I second that. Considering the price point, Globe is overrated. The only thing that's good about it is that the service was reliable and that there were zero unattractive girls. But that doesn't mean all the girls were stunners and definitely not fresh. Going to the club was like if you took all of the upchargers at Oase and Sharks and put them in Switzerland.

[QUOTE=JackalLtt;2717398]Not only do I disagree but I would like to add that the food at Globe sucks.[/QUOTE]Food in any FKK sucks, better ones are hmmm oceans only one plate only meal is alright and I like the mineral water bottles you can take as many as you want and also pasta / charged pizza at Oase is alright and since one cannot go that wrong with past I stick to pasta only in globe with a lot of parmesan to cover up the taste LOL!

But look, you will be spending about 50 to 70 euro with drinks for mediocre food out side or much more if you go to good resty in Zurich, so 95 chf can be alright! I mean they need to run the business LOL! But yeah comparison to some German clubs it is much more expensive, but the price in swiss are much much higher LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2717481]Food in any FKK sucks, better ones are hmmm oceans only one plate only meal is alright and I like the mineral water bottles you can take as many as you want and also pasta / charged pizza at Oase is alright and since one cannot go that wrong with past I stick to pasta only in globe with a lot of parmesan to cover up the taste LOL!

But look, you will be spending about 50 to 70 euro with drinks for mediocre food out side or much more if you go to good resty in Zurich, so 95 chf can be alright! I mean they need to run the business LOL! But yeah comparison to some German clubs it is much more expensive, but the price in swiss are much much higher LOL![/QUOTE]The only FKK I went to that I can say had truly "good" food was the old Golden Time. Unfortunately, that was pretty much the only thing I liked about the place. That and the free beer!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2717498]The only FKK I went to that I can say had truly "good" food was the old Golden Time. Unfortunately, that was pretty much the only thing I liked about the place. That and the free beer![/QUOTE]For better foods than at Bruggen, YY, Sakura. 6 is not bad, Bab also. Brunch and buffet at Globe are Ok, brunch even used to be good with cup of champagne.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2717498]The only FKK I went to that I can say had truly "good" food was the old Golden Time. Unfortunately, that was pretty much the only thing I liked about the place. That and the free beer![/QUOTE]I liked soup at golden time! I enjoyed Ukrainian borsch there and place would be oceans is also good enough! I usually like eating pasta as you cannot go that wrong with pasta, so you get the same as cafeteria level left over pasta in FKK, so that is what I often eat in FKK! I never tried delivery food, but I often saw delivery food at Artemis front desk where girls and sometimes clients are picking up their delivery food, so I may try that!

However, I am not big fan of German food, but when I am in other nation, I like to enjoy the local food, so I would like it if German FKK have some German food and also doner kebab as kebab is Turkish food, but doner kebab began in Berlin Germany so it would be nice option that they can do well without difficulty!

Be careful what you wish for because you might get it!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_wpLE9kQH0[/URL]

The reality of mongering world is that we benefit from world chaos! Sad, but true as sad as it is!

Hey sorry for being slightly off topic but this is such an active thread of knowledgeable guys. Looking for very quick help here in Berlin last minute. Unexpectedly looking for erotic massage last minute here hopefully within half hour of airport. A brothel will do but strangely I am all fucked out and just need pampering and a nice oily HJ or BJ. So massage preferred.

Normally I'm a giver not a taker here on ISG but would truly appreciate any recommendations. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2717956]Hey sorry for being slightly off topic but this is such an active thread of knowledgeable guys. Looking for very quick help here in Berlin last minute. Unexpectedly looking for erotic massage last minute here hopefully within half hour of airport. A brothel will do but strangely I am all fucked out and just need pampering and a nice oily HJ or BJ. So massage preferred.

Normally I'm a giver not a taker here on ISG but would truly appreciate any recommendations. Thanks![/QUOTE]I can give you a list of places that were on my hit list but be warned that this list is old from before the Covid outbreak. I don't recommend any of theses places as it's too dated and my favourites have closed.

[URL]https://www.ameliya.de/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.anachyta-massagen.de/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.aphrodite-massagen.de/[/URL]

[URL]https://idylle-massagen.de/[/URL]

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[URL]http://www.iris-massagen.com/[/URL]

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[URL]http://www.tantra-wellness-massagen.de/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.veronas-massagen.de/startseite[/URL]

[URL]http://wolke7-berlin.de/teamseite.php[/URL]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2717956]Hey sorry for being slightly off topic but this is such an active thread of knowledgeable guys. Looking for very quick help here in Berlin last minute. Unexpectedly looking for erotic massage last minute here hopefully within half hour of airport. A brothel will do but strangely I am all fucked out and just need pampering and a nice oily HJ or BJ. So massage preferred.

Normally I'm a giver not a taker here on ISG but would truly appreciate any recommendations. Thanks![/QUOTE]Thanks for the list. I'the forgotten Paris No 5. It seems great but I couldn't line up a booking on short notice. Went to old standby Artemis and will post report in that group. Short story. Def a thirties crowd of ladies but pretty and slim. Had two nice rounds including BBBJ in the cinema which I haven't had in five years. That was a pleasant surprise and awfully fun.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2717846]Be careful what you wish for because you might get it!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_wpLE9kQH0[/URL]

The reality of mongering world is that we benefit from world chaos! Sad, but true as sad as it is![/QUOTE]Not sure I believe you each time you say the word sad.

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[QUOTE=Pistons;2718331]Not sure I believe you each time you say the word sad.[/QUOTE]It is bit both sad and happy as we monger will benefit from this, but we do have some level of conscious that we or more like our dick cannot control, so it is not us, but our dick LOL!

Has anyone been to FKK village yet? It's near FKK World? They may be some reports but but I can't locate them and there doesn't appear to be a thread for this club yet?

Mr. Ho, I wanted to extend my condolences regarding the assassination of Mr. Abe Shinzo. If anybody had told me that a prominent Japanese leader would be killed by a firearm, I would not have believed it. And even then, it's so hard to get a gun in Japan that this guy had to make his own! I liked Mr. Abe and "Abenomics", but also his stance on the Japanese military. I understand the limitations imposed by the Japanese constitution and the nation's longstanding commitment to pacifism (military used for defense only) after the disaster of WW2. But sometimes, the best way to defend is to be able to project power abroad too, even including a preemptive strike if warranted. Let me tell you something. One day Japan will again be required to stand on its own. I don't know when and where and how, or under what circumstances, but it will happen. We Americans will leave, as we always eventually do, and Japan will be on its own to deal with a testy China, a reckless Russia, and a belligerent North Korea. Or whoever the "bad guy" is at the time. Is Japan ready to stand on its own militarily? It had better be. Because America will not be there for you forever. Japan had better be ready to fight on its own. I trust that Japan will be careful. It has learned its lesson about aggressive militarism (America still has lessons to be learned on this count). As Mr. Abe is put to rest, I conclude that he was right. Japan's constitution must be amended regarding the uses of its armed forces. Because Japan on its own must stand ready.

And as usual, I'm not in a position where I can travel to Europe at this time to take advantage of it! I always seem to miss the most favorable exchange rates in Germany (and Brazil). As they say, timing is everything:

[URL]https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/12/investing/euro-dollar-parity/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Abox79;2718780]Has anyone been to FKK village yet? It's near FKK World?[/QUOTE]I haven't, and I would not bother.

If you are in D-land right now and have a car, you can TOFTT and try their free entry (valid 1- 14 July).

If you look at the history of Japan since 1800's and its militarism ideology you will understand why Japan must adhere to its current constitution. If not, they will roll back to what they have always been and start another war sooner rather than later. They never stand ready to defend, instead they always invade and attack first. Watch out!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2719122]Mr. Ho, I wanted to extend my condolences regarding the assassination of Mr. Abe Shinzo. If anybody had told me that a prominent Japanese leader would be killed by a firearm, I would not have believed it. And even then, it's so hard to get a gun in Japan that this guy had to make his own! I liked Mr. Abe and "Abenomics", but also his stance on the Japanese military. I understand the limitations imposed by the Japanese constitution and the nation's longstanding commitment to pacifism (military used for defense only) after the disaster of WW2. But sometimes, the best way to defend is to be able to project power abroad too, even including a preemptive strike if warranted. Let me tell you something. One day Japan will again be required to stand on its own. I don't know when and where and how, or under what circumstances, but it will happen. We Americans will leave, as we always eventually do, and Japan will be on its own to deal with a testy China, a reckless Russia, and a belligerent North Korea. Or whoever the "bad guy" is at the time. Is Japan ready to stand on its own militarily? It had better be. Because America will not be there for you forever. Japan had better be ready to fight on its own. I trust that Japan will be careful. It has learned its lesson about aggressive militarism (America still has lessons to be learned on this count). As Mr. Abe is put to rest, I conclude that he was right. Japan's constitution must be amended regarding the uses of its armed forces. Because Japan on its own must stand ready.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SerpentX;2719270]If you look at the history of Japan since 1800's and its militarism ideology you will understand why Japan must adhere to its current constitution. If not, they will roll back to what they have always been and start another war sooner rather than later. They never stand ready to defend, instead they always invade and attack first. Watch out![/QUOTE]Japan had no significant history of military adventurism abroad prior to about 1895. Before that time, the Japanese basically were isolationists who wanted to be left alone by outsiders. What happened? Western colonial powers and [B]their[/B] imperialist abuses showed up and changed Japan's outlook forever. Conquer and subdue, or be conquered and subdued! Well with a recovery from two nuclear blasts to later become the world's second largest economy (now number three behind China), Japan understands better than anybody (except Germany maybe) that peace is better than war. And Mr. Abe understood that a crucial way to maintain that peace is through strength! Weakness only prompts another war and gets you. Conquered and subdued.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2719276]Japan had no significant history of military adventurism abroad prior to about 1895. Before that time, the Japanese basically were isolationists who wanted to be left alone by outsiders. What happened? Western colonial powers and [B]their[/B] imperialist abuses showed up and changed Japan's outlook forever. Conquer and subdue, or be conquered and subdued! Well with a recovery from two nuclear blasts to later become the world's second largest economy (now number three behind China), Japan understands better than anybody (except Germany maybe) that peace is better than war. And Mr. Abe understood that a crucial way to maintain that peace is through strength! Weakness only prompts another war and gets you. Conquered and subdued.[/QUOTE]The USA should just mind its own business and let Japan and China hash it out between themselves.

[QUOTE=SerpentX;2719270]If you look at the history of Japan since 1800's and its militarism ideology you will understand why Japan must adhere to its current constitution. If not, they will roll back to what they have always been and start another war sooner rather than later. They never stand ready to defend, instead they always invade and attack first. Watch out![/QUOTE]Japan has ability to be the second biggest military in the world after US if Japan want to, US at least republican party and co want Japan to do that, but Japan do not want to be second in military power after US because Japan believe it is not right strategy to use violence as mean of negotiations, Japan has enough on table to negotiate, so there is no need, but now it is becoming was no need due to what happened in Ukraine and also Japan has mentally insane neighbors such as China, Russia and north Korea who has different behavior issues to rest of the world! So we are going to up GDP 1% military budget to 2 % military budget now, but we will be careful how we change our constitution!

But your brain stopped at 1945 and it is 2022 now, Japan is in G7 and Japan have many responsibilities to the world, so there is no need to attack anybody as most of the nations in the world are on our side and we all live in harmony!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2719276]Japan had no significant history of military adventurism abroad prior to about 1895. Before that time, the Japanese basically were isolationists who wanted to be left alone by outsiders. What happened? Western colonial powers and [B]their[/B] imperialist abuses showed up and changed Japan's outlook forever. Conquer and subdue, or be conquered and subdued! Well with a recovery from two nuclear blasts to later become the world's second largest economy (now number three behind China), Japan understands better than anybody (except Germany maybe) that peace is better than war. And Mr. Abe understood that a crucial way to maintain that peace is through strength! Weakness only prompts another war and gets you. Conquered and subdued.[/QUOTE]It is very precise observation as Japan tend to have strong culture of prefer to be left alone by foreigners and if we want to implement something we ask for it ourselves instead of someone forcing Japan to do so, and yes the reason for second world war was that western power begin to show up in Asia and Japan having 11 aircraft carrier back then were threaten that they were about to do something to us and our stand always and will be is that we will not kneel down to west or any invaders, so we tried to solve through foreign diplomacy, but there was no chance, then west blocked the oil, so we had two choice, we will wage losing war on whole world now or we kneel down to the west, and we choose the first choice as we are not going to kneel down! But I am happy that both side of our ancestors did not die for nothing as Japan and West are very good friend and US and Japan are basically best friend nation like batman and robin and US being batman LOL!

One correction though! Japan had history of attacking other nation before second world war! I can admit our wrong doing, so here we go, Japan attacked Russia which caused Japan Russia war which we beat Russians both on land and sea especially sea battle was one of the most significant battle in history as Japan fought against back then biggest navy fleet in the whole world Baltic coalition, but Japan finish all of them under one hour and also Japan attack China as well! But we are talking over 100 years ago event LOL! And what is fantastic about Japan is that we have power to change to evolve into future and thanks to USA and especially US military (General Macarthur! That Japan is where Japan is at now and US-Japan relation will be forever bond! Losing Shinzo Abe was too big of a loss though! He was only leader who can talk to both side of extreme to find soft landing point (Eg: Iran and US when US was Trump LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2719276]Japan had no significant history of military adventurism abroad prior to about 1895. Before that time, the Japanese basically were isolationists who wanted to be left alone by outsiders. What happened? Western colonial powers and [B]their[/B] imperialist abuses showed up and changed Japan's outlook forever. Conquer and subdue, or be conquered and subdued! Well with a recovery from two nuclear blasts to later become the world's second largest economy (now number three behind China), Japan understands better than anybody (except Germany maybe) that peace is better than war. And Mr. Abe understood that a crucial way to maintain that peace is through strength! Weakness only prompts another war and gets you. Conquered and subdued.[/QUOTE]Let's not belittle the Japanese atrocities. While you are right that their militarism was brief, the magnitude of Japanese crimes in the first half of the 20th century was rivaled only by Nazi crimes. Western historians skip over how much imperial Japan abused their neighbors in the Far East and the Pacific, but their methods were down right evil. Just read up on events such as the R8 pe of Nanking and you will get a sense of the depth of evil that Japanese imperialism inflicted on the Asian mainland and Pacific islands. Their actions resulted in as many as 14 million deaths. Their treatment of western POWs was far worse than the Nazis. Their crimes against women during military conflict is unspeakable. The fact that Japan enjoys such affluence and "western nation" status despite how much harm they inflicted on their neighbors is a major reason why so many people from other Far East nations have a deep resentment for the nation of Japan. While I agree that Japan is now a peaceful nation, the culture of Japan still retains a sense of superiority over other nations, both Western and Eastern.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2719345]Let's not belittle the Japanese atrocities. While you are right that their militarism was brief, the magnitude of Japanese crimes in the first half of the 20th century was rivaled only by Nazi crimes. Western historians skip over how much imperial Japan abused their neighbors in the Far East and the Pacific, but their methods were down right evil. Just read up on events such as the R8 pe of Nanking and you will get a sense of the depth of evil that Japanese imperialism inflicted on the Asian mainland and Pacific islands. Their actions resulted in as many as 14 million deaths. Their treatment of western POWs was far worse than the Nazis. Their crimes against women during military conflict is unspeakable. The fact that Japan enjoys such affluence and "western nation" status despite how much harm they inflicted on their neighbors is a major reason why so many people from other Far East nations have a deep resentment for the nation of Japan. While I agree that Japan is now a peaceful nation, the culture of Japan still retains a sense of superiority over other nations, both Western and Eastern.[/QUOTE]It is most extreme nation as after 1945 Japan became the most peaceful nation for past 77 years LOL! But kept the ability to become the military power if Japan want, but for what? Using military in 21st century only lead to chaos, so Japan just need enough to protect itself even though Japan is ranked always in top 5 most of time or top10 even just with defense restriction by its own constitution LOL!

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.in/defense/ranked-the-worlds-20-strongest-militaries/slidelist/51930339.cms[/URL]#slideid=51930374.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2719312]The USA should just mind its own business and let Japan and China hash it out between themselves.[/QUOTE]That's asking a lot! Now isn't it?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2719334]One correction though! Japan had history of attacking other nation before second world war! I can admit our wrong doing, so here we go, Japan attacked Russia which caused Japan Russia war which we beat Russians both on land and sea especially sea battle was one of the most significant battle in history as Japan fought against back then biggest navy fleet in the whole world Baltic coalition, but Japan finish all of them under one hour and also Japan attack China as well! But we are talking over 100 years ago event LOL![/QUOTE]I know and understand all of that. My point is that none of that compares to the rampage that occurred from around 1895 forward through 1945 and the end of WW2.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2719345]Let's not belittle the Japanese atrocities. While you are right that their militarism was brief, the magnitude of Japanese crimes in the first half of the 20th century was rivaled only by Nazi crimes. Western historians skip over how much imperial Japan abused their neighbors in the Far East and the Pacific, but their methods were down right evil. Just read up on events such as the R8 pe of Nanking and you will get a sense of the depth of evil that Japanese imperialism inflicted on the Asian mainland and Pacific islands. Their actions resulted in as many as 14 million deaths. Their treatment of western POWs was far worse than the Nazis. Their crimes against women during military conflict is unspeakable. The fact that Japan enjoys such affluence and "western nation" status despite how much harm they inflicted on their neighbors is a major reason why so many people from other Far East nations have a deep resentment for the nation of Japan. While I agree that Japan is now a peaceful nation, the culture of Japan still retains a sense of superiority over other nations, both Western and Eastern.[/QUOTE]No clue what you're talking about as I don't think that I have downplayed or "belittled" anything. I said from 1895 forward. That includes the 20th century, which you have emphasized. Anyway, I drop this now so that we may return to discussions of banging beaver.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2719474]No clue what you're talking about as I don't think that I have downplayed or "belittled" anything. I said from 1895 forward. That includes the 20th century, which you have emphasized. Anyway, I drop this now so that we may return to discussions of banging beaver.[/QUOTE]This isn't usually my topic of interest but isn't this like saying the home of the Samaria or China has no history of warefare. In 1895 their were no airplanes.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2719474]No clue what you're talking about as I don't think that I have downplayed or "belittled" anything. I said from 1895 forward. That includes the 20th century, which you have emphasized. Anyway, I drop this now so that we may return to discussions of banging beaver.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I like history. Topic dropped.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2719444]so Japan just need enough to protect itself even though Japan is ranked always in top 5 most of time or top10 even just with defense restriction by its own constitution LOL!

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.in/defense/ranked-the-worlds-20-strongest-militaries/slidelist/51930339.cms[/URL]#slideid=51930374.[/QUOTE]Perhaps Japanese military capabilities basically serve as a Western outpost to keep Russian and Chinese interests strategically in check.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2719564]Perhaps Japanese military capabilities basically serve as a Western outpost to keep Russian and Chinese interests strategically in check.[/QUOTE]We are very important shield for US military strategy, look at the map, it literally shaped shield and also the location too! But look, one great thing about Japan is that we have tremendous ability to learn to evolve to make things better to perfection, so we learnt from second world war that:

1): Our technology and its quality is top notch.

2): We have capability to be top military nation and can invade whole Asia if we wish to. But now we do not at all!

3): We can beat all nations as we historically have, but not USA.

4): USA is someone we can resonate and co-operate with as not just a ally, but as a good friend.

5): Above all and most importantly, war do not solve anything, but cause more hate that could last for decades! So no war!

6): We can dominate world with economy not military! Not in negative way, but have our presence is what I mean that can be in harmony!

So if Japan were to change constitution and militarize again, so we can offense not just defense by constitution, we have zero interest attack others, I mean for what? We have so much to lose! We are top G7 nation with responsibilities to act right and correct, so why lose such position that took us like 50 years to built till we became top nation since around year 1980 !

Strategically, we will be good friend to west and USA, but we will try our best to participate in their "liberation" operation in middle east or Iran etc as we have no problem talking to them and get the deals done! But we also understand why West are doing military actions in those nations, so we help, but we won't kill there, we give ground support for infrastructures with top technology with quality that we are best at! But no killing!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2719473]I know and understand all of that. My point is that none of that compares to the rampage that occurred from around 1895 forward through 1945 and the end of WW2.[/QUOTE]When Japan choose to fight against USA, that is when things got real rampage because till then West had no significant enemy that can fight in same level as them, but Japan basically beat all Asian nations, France, Holland and UK in Asia too, then when USA came in then Japan decided to attack pearl harbor to take on USA, after that is when things got real rampage and real ugly all over Asia! It was real Godzilla against King kong and only time in history two modern nations are fighting with most advance weapons in the whole world and only time two sides were using top level air craft carriers in full scale in war to this day that is! Which lead to respect between nations and as result millions of people died, but US and Japan became best friend after that, so if the end is good, all is good as the saying goes here, but US-Japan relation is miracle that born in biggest tragedy of history as that was the biggest modern war by far in history!

After that war and only that war, all other war is like one side have top weapon like aircraft carrier with F22 A,be, other top end bombers and other side is just fighting with AK47 and sword and stick and stones kind of situations LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2719668].... but US-Japan relation is miracle that born in biggest tragedy of history as that was the biggest modern war by far in history!....[/QUOTE]Not so. US vs Japan was the biggest naval war in history. Germany vs Russia was the biggest land and air war in history and also the total biggest in history.

Hey all. Hate to interrupt the greatest military debate in history, but anyone want to fuck? I mean not each other. But you know. Girls.

Seriously. Could use guidance on options northeast of theüsseldorf. Say Essen and Dortmund area. Open to FKKS. Mini brothels. Whatever this esteemed crowd seems worthy. I'm a fan of the Latina style Romanian Vs Nordic if that matters.

P.S. Been doing Seeking almost exclusively during pandemic, including multi day and fly to me visits with "girlfriends". If anyone needs any Seeking tips drop me a line. It's paradise once you slog thru purgatory.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2719963]Hey all. Hate to interrupt the greatest military debate in history, but anyone want to fuck? I mean not each other. But you know. Girls.

Seriously. Could use guidance on options northeast of thesseldorf. Say Essen and Dortmund area. Open to FKKS. Mini brothels. Whatever this esteemed crowd seems worthy. I'm a fan of the Latina style Romanian Vs Nordic if that matters.

P.S. Been doing Seeking almost exclusively during pandemic, including multi day and fly to me visits with "girlfriends". If anyone needs any Seeking tips drop me a line. It's paradise once you slog thru purgatory.[/QUOTE]Essen is centrally located between Penelope to the Northeast, Prime to the Southeast and Villa Venus to the northwest. If you're in Dortmund then Penelope is 20 west and is the only game in / near town unless you want to visit some seedier places like Luder Lounge with a line up of like less than 6 girls.

Just keep in mind that area is super blue collar so don't expect anything like Frankfurt level atmosphere, amenities, or line up quality. If 50 girls are in a club, only about five or six I would rate a 7 or above, and maybe only one or two would be an 8. Stunners are rare in all of NRW.

Of the 3 clubs mentioned, I actually like Villa Venus the most despite it having only a line up of 8-12. Facilities are nice, service is reliably excellent, and if 12 girls are present, I usually find about three of them to be 7. 5 to 8. 5. Bad part is being pretty small, it can easily turn into a sausage fest and you may find yourself waiting very long for the superstar girls. And food system is like Oceans. You get a 10 euro credit towards a la carte menu food, beer is not part of that credit. Light breakfast provided, but only 2-3 girls ever work during breakfast / lunch hours.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2719866]Not so. US vs Japan was the biggest naval war in history. Germany vs Russia was the biggest land and air war in history and also the total biggest in history.[/QUOTE]I agree about the naval war and as for size I half agree because Japan was fighting way too many more nations than German were fighting, but yes, German on land fought well in Europe, they took over Europe quite easily until USA came in! Same story with Japan taking over whole Asia quite easily until USA came in, but we did kick out US out of Philippines once, but when USA came back with full force, then that is when things became rampage!

Conclusion; USA is required force in the world and war between big nations are not good idea because it lead to chaotic rampage for surrounding nations!

I also add that Russia back then had strong military, but now it is so low tech and low quality military with no organization or strategy or order what so ever LOL! All Russia have now is nuclear weapons that they often shamefully use as threats, I mean where is the sense in their head in 21st century! Oh and many soldiers that they use as some kind of toys to waste! It is crazy how communism ideology can bring down so many nations!

However, the failure of Russia lead to failure of all eastern european nations that lead to good line up in FKK like all romanians, moldovians, hungarians stunners that we fucked so all is good LOL!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2719963]Hey all. Hate to interrupt the greatest military debate in history, but anyone want to fuck? I mean not each other. But you know. Girls.

Seriously. Could use guidance on options northeast of thesseldorf. Say Essen and Dortmund area. Open to FKKS. Mini brothels. Whatever this esteemed crowd seems worthy. I'm a fan of the Latina style Romanian Vs Nordic if that matters.

P.S. Been doing Seeking almost exclusively during pandemic, including multi day and fly to me visits with "girlfriends". If anyone needs any Seeking tips drop me a line. It's paradise once you slog thru purgatory.[/QUOTE]It is important as history is very related to FKK line up!

Thanks to soviet union and their messed up ideology that we got all sort of beauties working in FKK many decades later! And even now with this Russian attack on Ukraine etc will affect FKK line up and escort in future! So these events are sad, but also happy events for mongers as we sadly and happily benefits from this!

As sad as it is and we may feel something bad, but we all going to still stick our elected penis into their mouth, anal and pussy LOL! It is what it is! They fights, I as a mongers fuck their young stunner girls is the way to go LOL!

History and FKK line up is correlated!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2720056]Thanks to soviet union and their messed up ideology that we got all sort of beauties working in FKK many decades later![/QUOTE]LOL! Soviet Union's greatest contribution to humanity is producing millions of cheap beautiful hookers for roughly 3 decades.

The next 3 decades is going to be rough. Prices are going to skyrocketing and looks will plummet. I'm guess it's going to be full of lady boys by the end of the decade. LOL! 300 E for 30 too! LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2719668]When Japan choose to fight against USA, that is when things got real rampage because till then West had no significant enemy that can fight in same level as them, but Japan basically beat all Asian nations, France, Holland and UK in Asia too, then when USA came in then Japan decided to attack pearl harbor to take on USA, after that is when things got real rampage and real ugly all over Asia! It was real Godzilla against King kong and only time in history two modern nations are fighting with most advance weapons in the whole world and only time two sides were using top level air craft carriers in full scale in war to this day that is! Which lead to respect between nations and as result millions of people died, but US and Japan became best friend after that, so if the end is good, all is good as the saying goes here, but US-Japan relation is miracle that born in biggest tragedy of history as that was the biggest modern war by far in history!

After that war and only that war, all other war is like one side have top weapon like aircraft carrier with F22 A,be, other top end bombers and other side is just fighting with AK47 and sword and stick and stones kind of situations LOL![/QUOTE]Instead of messing around in Pearl Harbor, Japan should have sent a special military operation / Japanese Seals, into Mexico in the Sea of Cortez then made its way to New Mexico and then sent a carrier group to take out the nuclear research and assassinate Einstein and Oppenheimer and all other scientists there.

As former President T opined that Germany and Japan were getting essentially free national defense from the USA and the USA was subsidizing their freedom. So Japan got to devote all of its Gross Domestic Product on making nice reliable cars and having a high standard of living. Its almost too late now since China has tons of nuclear weapons and Japan doesn't. There needs to be a buildup and transition period to make Japan military great again. They need to get aircraft carriers and tons of armed Japanese soldiers ready and hopefully Japan can invade the middle east in exchange for keeping low oil prices and take the oil off the hands of the slothy and low quality Arabs and make it continuous improvement low cost gasoline and quality.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2719662]We are very important shield for US military strategy, look at the map, it literally shaped shield and also the location too! But look, one great thing about Japan is that we have tremendous ability to learn to evolve to make things better to perfection, so we learnt from second world war that:

1): Our technology and its quality is top notch.

2): We have capability to be top military nation and can invade whole Asia if we wish to. But now we do not at all!

3): We can beat all nations as we historically have, but not USA.

4): USA is someone we can resonate and co-operate with as not just a ally, but as a good friend.

5): Above all and most importantly, war do not solve anything, but cause more hate that could last for decades! So no war!

6): We can dominate world with economy not military! Not in negative way, but have our presence is what I mean that can be in harmony![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2719989]Essen is centrally located between Penelope to the Northeast, Prime to the Southeast and Villa Venus to the northwest. If you're in Dortmund then Penelope is 20 west and is the only game in / near town unless you want to visit some seedier places like Luder Lounge with a line up of like less than 6 girls.

Just keep in mind that area is super blue collar so don't expect anything like Frankfurt level atmosphere, amenities, or line up quality. If 50 girls are in a club, only about five or six I would rate a 7 or above, and maybe only one or two would be an 8. Stunners are rare in all of NRW.

Of the 3 clubs mentioned, I actually like Villa Venus the most despite it having only a line up of 8-12. Facilities are nice, service is reliably excellent, and if 12 girls are present, I usually find about three of them to be 7. 5 to 8. 5. Bad part is being pretty small, it can easily turn into a sausage fest and you may find yourself waiting very long for the superstar girls. And food system is like Oceans. You get a 10 euro credit towards a la carte menu food, beer is not part of that credit. Light breakfast provided, but only 2-3 girls ever work during breakfast / lunch hours.[/QUOTE]That is why I like more near the city center upsell clubs, more stunner level beauties are tend to be found in those places as they go where the money is!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2720055]...... All Russia have now is nuclear weapons ....[/QUOTE]Having nuclear weapons is a guarantee that no other nation will fuck with you.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2720056]
but we all going to still stick our elected penis into their mouth,![/QUOTE]I am interested to learn that your penis was elected! Mine simply installed himself as king after a coup that left my poor addled brain a second class citizen. 😂.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2720260]That is why I like more near the city center upsell clubs, more stunner level beauties are tend to be found in those places as they go where the money is![/QUOTE]Yea, NRW is not really designed for annual visiting mongers looking for only elite optics. High optic girls are spread out over a dozen clubs that are far apart and difficult or time consuming to reach without a car. English proficiency is a bit lower so the illusion of reciprocal attraction is more difficult to find. Girls seem to be more forthright that prostitution is their job while Hessen girls play the game a little more. For instance, Hessen girls are quicker to market themselves by exchanging social media contacts and interact with their clients. NRW girls will exchange WhatsApp and numbers but usually for the purpose of booking appointments. But because of that, a fly in monger who comes 4-6 times per year can have a great time. It seems contradicting since I said that girls sell the illusion less but it also means that authentic interactions are easier to form if you visit a girl multiple times. Pretty much all of my regulars in NRW give me personal service, DFK, BBBJ, intimacy, etc without hesitation. Meanwhile Hessen regulars often withold such services even after a half dozen rooms.

In short, Hessen is easier for occasional visitors looking for a top experience and are willing to pay. NRW takes more front end work but can lead to better mongering in the long run if you come somewhat regularly.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2720299]I am interested to learn that your penis was elected! Mine simply installed himself as king after a coup that left my poor addled brain a second class citizen. 😂.[/QUOTE]My penis is a dictator. My brain has several times said. No not that girl. Yet after 'MrP forces me to say yes' all I can think of is 'I told you so'.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2719963]Hey all,

Hate to interrupt the greatest military debate in history, but anyone want to fuck? I mean not each other. But you know. Girls.

Seriously. Could use guidance on options northeast of thesseldorf. Say Essen and Dortmund area. Open to FKKS. Mini brothels. Whatever this esteemed crowd seems worthy. I'm a fan of the Latina style Romanian Vs Nordic if that matters.

P.S. Been doing Seeking almost exclusively during pandemic, including multi day and fly to me visits with "girlfriends". If anyone needs any Seeking tips drop me a line. It's paradise once you slog thru purgatory.[/QUOTE]At least 6 clubs in this area, more than 100 girls, higher level on 2022 and for less expensive than falling quality for too expensive Hessen. Few higher level girls than at Globe. Some almost daily regulars visit now, rather than Hessen. NL could also become more and more interesting.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2720111]LOL! Soviet Union's greatest contribution to humanity is producing millions of cheap beautiful hookers for roughly 3 decades.

The next 3 decades is going to be rough. Prices are going to skyrocketing and looks will plummet. I'm guess it's going to be full of lady boys by the end of the decade. LOL! 300 E for 30 too! LOL![/QUOTE]Yes, Russian Lina was a so pretty, full natural, Russian doll on Tuesday, even not fire for sex, but what a natural beauty. I showed to other french guy met on last Saturday in Rhur. He reacted: Wow!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2720295]Having nuclear weapons is a guarantee that no other nation will fuck with you.[/QUOTE]That is the debate we are having here now, we have the capability technologically and the reserve of enough ingredient to make the most compact, but most impact nuclear weapon in the world and also missiles if we wish to go toward that direction and some of US political sectors want us to, but the question we are having is that whether this is the right way to go as human?

Maybe we won't make it, but go for nuclear sharing with USA! We shall see, but ukrainian invasion proved to us that some nation never learnt or evolve since second world war in 1940's! So we have to improvise and adapt! Unfortunately!

We wish we have enough technology to somehow move our land to right next to Hawaii LOL! We got our best friend on our right side, but we got north Korea, China, russia etc the mentally insane mafia states with the head of 1940's LOL!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2720299]I am interested to learn that your penis was elected! Mine simply installed himself as king after a coup that left my poor addled brain a second class citizen.[/QUOTE]I realize, beautiful young stunners girls are born to be fucked, but not to be loved LOL! So I fuck them! I have been fucking them ever since I am 17 and I will keep on fucking them well into my 70's LOL! If my dick won't erect when I am 70 then well, I rely myself on great science world LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2720423].....We wish we have enough technology to somehow move our land to right next to Hawaii LOL! We got our best friend on our right side, but we got north Korea, China, russia etc the mentally insane mafia states with the head of 1940's LOL![/QUOTE]In the first half of the 20th century Japan was the most powerful country in Asia. They even beat Russia in a war in 1905. However, Japanese were upset that Europe and the US never treated them as equals. Nevertheless, they sided with Europe and America against the Germans in WWI. Japanese were again upset after helping in that war that Europe and America never gave the recognition they thought they deserved as those countries continued to treat them as inferiors. At the onset of WWII with German successes early on Japan joined the axis powers. We all know the result of that. Japan's major concern now is China which is the powerhouse in Asia at the moment. So Japan is obviously siding with the US and Europe. Its all a matter of strategic alliances, not friendship.

Hey Mr. Ho and all, while discussing some proposed new legislation in Spain with some mongers in the Costa del Sol Club Reports Only thread, I came up with a new word to describe economic theory as it applies to prostitution. We've all heard of "Reaganomics" and "Abenomics". I now introduce to thee "Tuteconomics"! LOLOLOLOL! Hahaha!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2720651]In the first half of the 20th century Japan was the most powerful country in Asia. They even beat Russia in a war in 1905. However, Japanese were upset that Europe and the US never treated them as equals. Nevertheless, they sided with Europe and America against the Germans in WWI. Japanese were again upset after helping in that war that Europe and America never gave the recognition they thought they deserved as those countries continued to treat them as inferiors. At the onset of WWII with German successes early on Japan joined the axis powers. We all know the result of that. Japan's major concern now is China which is the powerhouse in Asia at the moment. So Japan is obviously siding with the US and Europe. Its all a matter of strategic alliances, not friendship.[/QUOTE]You have accurate understanding of history, yes we beat Russia both land and navy easily, as I keep on saying, Russians are strong, but not as much as they claim or the world says, they have horrible lack of organization and zero brain for strategy! During Japan Russia war, they had better military and numbers, but they lost fast and terribly as they have no organization or even worst zero strategy, just violent and overly aggressive as they still are now! They did have balls though, but balls are not enough to win the war, you have to be strong, need strategy, technology and good organization with will to win which Russia lacked always! That was was last chance for Tzar nicolai to remain in power, but he lost that war against Japan and some historian claim that partly lead to Russian revolution!

Let not for get Japan China war as well, they had support from west namely England mostly, and the land was huge, so it is hard to get things organized, but it is not in the blood of China to fight as they are not warrior race, one thing I notice is that somehow communists are not good at war, they are terrible actually, but just aggressive! They can only fight weaker nations like Tibet etc, but not the big ones!

However, what most important is that Japan never had fair one on one war beside Japan Russia war! During ww2 for example, we were fighting like over 20 nations at once LOL! Some real strong ones were in that 20 nations too like UK, French, Netherlander, Australia etc and all Asian nations LOL!! Plus USA! And we were winning till USA joined! USA cannot be beaten and I am just glad that US and Japan are biggest allies! UK will join the pact more strongly soon or later now that UK left EU!

China is threat to all and since it is next to Japan, it is big threat and we made them rich and gave them the technology! We had many wars with China before and we never lost any of them, so our problem is not China, but our problem is Japan as in we have to change our constitution! And we have such a strong left wing blocking right wing to do so! And as you know we just lost shinzo abe! So let us see how far we can change to constitution that forbid attacking other nations even though we are attacked, we can only defend! But it is amazing how Japan is on top 5 military nation in most ranking with such a strict restriction by constitution!

History is interesting! And most people do not know what happened in this planet before! And history do affect FKK line up!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2720686]Hey Mr. Ho and all, while discussing some proposed new legislation in Spain with some mongers in the Costa del Sol Club Reports Only thread, I came up with a new word to describe economic theory as it applies to prostitution. We've all heard of "Reaganomics" and "Abenomics". I now introduce to thee "Tuteconomics"! LOLOLOLOL! Hahaha![/QUOTE]Analist is my favorite type of analyst LOL! And yeah, prostitution line up and history or any historical level chaotic events of this world do have affect to the line up of prostitution whether it is escort or FKK, so as keen analists and mongers, it is important to be ready for such chaotic events with a lot of money on our hand, so we can exchange it for sexual experiences with many young beautiful stunners LOL!

The down fall of young beautiful girls is where we mongers fly high LOL! It is ironic truth, but it is the truth LOL!

Ukraine situation is sad, but it may change the line up of sex industry in long term as it did not just made Ukraine and Russia poor, but it also affected surrounding nations! And this happened after pandemic! So let us see how this situation evolve into for us living in the world of mongers LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2720844]Analist is my favorite type of analyst LOL! And yeah, prostitution line up and history or any historical level chaotic events of this world do have affect to the line up of prostitution whether it is escort or FKK, so as keen analists and mongers, it is important to be ready for such chaotic events with a lot of money on our hand, so we can exchange it for sexual experiences with many young beautiful stunners LOL!

The down fall of young beautiful girls is where we mongers fly high LOL! It is ironic truth, but it is the truth LOL!

Ukraine situation is sad, but it may change the line up of sex industry in long term as it did not just made Ukraine and Russia poor, but it also affected surrounding nations! And this happened after pandemic! So let us see how this situation evolve into for us living in the world of mongers LOL![/QUOTE]Russians and Ukrainians escorting in Paris, despite law, even prostitution is not forbidden in France, since long ago before war. I heard Ukrainians could be allowed for registration in Germany, but don t know when.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2720766]You have accurate understanding of history, yes we beat Russia both land and navy easily, as I keep on saying, Russians are strong, but not as much as they claim or the world says, they have horrible lack of organization and zero brain for strategy! During Japan Russia war, they had better military and numbers, but they lost fast and terribly as they have no organization or even worst zero strategy, just violent and overly aggressive as they still are now! They did have balls though, but balls are not enough to win the war, you have to be strong, need strategy, technology and good organization with will to win which Russia lacked always! That was was last chance for Tzar nicolai to remain in power, but he lost that war against Japan and some historian claim that partly lead to Russian revolution!

Let not for get Japan China war as well, they had support from west namely England mostly, and the land was huge, so it is hard to get things organized, but it is not in the blood of China to fight as they are not warrior race, one thing I notice is that somehow communists are not good at war, they are terrible actually, but just aggressive! They can only fight weaker nations like Tibet etc, but not the big ones!

However, what most important is that Japan never had fair one on one war beside Japan Russia war! During ww2 for example, we were fighting like over 20 nations at once LOL! Some real strong ones were in that 20 nations too like UK, French, Netherlander, Australia etc and all Asian nations LOL!! Plus USA! And we were winning till USA joined! USA cannot be beaten and I am just glad that US and Japan are biggest allies! UK will join the pact more strongly soon or later now that UK left EU!

China is threat to all and since it is next to Japan, it is big threat and we made them rich and gave them the technology! We had many wars with China before and we never lost any of them, so our problem is not China, but our problem is Japan as in we have to change our constitution! And we have such a strong left wing blocking right wing to do so! And as you know we just lost shinzo abe! So let us see how far we can change to constitution that forbid attacking other nations even though we are attacked, we can only defend! But it is amazing how Japan is on top 5 military nation in most ranking with such a strict restriction by constitution!

History is interesting! And most people do not know what happened in this planet before! And history do affect FKK line up![/QUOTE]I think you are making the same mistake as the West is right now. Russia and China of the past is not Russia and China now. The worst thing the West can do right now is to underestimate them. A war today with either will be ill-advised.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2721041]Russians and Ukrainians escorting in Paris, despite law, even prostitution is not forbidden in France, since long ago before war. I heard Ukrainians could be allowed for registration in Germany, but don t know when.[/QUOTE]Exactly, Ukrainians are allowed to work in EU for 3 years now is what I read, but I also do not know when, I think it is already implemented, but just like Greece crisis, we do not see those girls usually from crisis nations in FKK, only Romanians, but Romanians are beautiful so we got it lucky!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2721138]I think you are making the same mistake as the West is right now. Russia and China of the past is not Russia and China now. The worst thing the West can do right now is to underestimate them. A war today with either will be ill-advised.[/QUOTE]We do not under-estimate China, as for Russia we do not underestimate their insanity, but their economy has big limitation and their military is not strong, but nuclear weapons are the real problem! And their mindset on things are bad recipe with nuclear weapons! These red nations are bandits of the world, China being the boss of all and north Korea and Russia being the pet nations of China, more so as we advance into future!

However, China is more reasonable comparison to Russia and north Korea, and it is good like that because by far Chinese are more smarter than Russia and north Korea! Chinese quality is low at the moment, but give them few decades, their quality level will catch up! They are not stupid people at all as they look and behave LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2721138]I think you are making the same mistake as the West is right now. Russia and China of the past is not Russia and China now. The worst thing the West can do right now is to underestimate them. A war today with either will be ill-advised.[/QUOTE]P.S.: To add, I think G7 should drop stupid illusion of impossible globalization as some nations are not competent and their head is too insane! So G7 should stick to just G7 mainly plus the allies like EU nations and Australia and New Zealand and maybe few other normal head nations whom we can have normal dialogue!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2721041]Russians and Ukrainians escorting in Paris, despite law, even prostitution is not forbidden in France, since long ago before war. I heard Ukrainians could be allowed for registration in Germany, but don t know when.[/QUOTE]For a few months now, Ukrainians have been given visas allowing them to stay and work in Germany but it does not allow self employment so the girls can't register as working girls and work in the FKK's.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2720844]Analist is my favorite type of analyst LOL! And yeah, prostitution line up and history or any historical level chaotic events of this world do have affect to the line up of prostitution whether it is escort or FKK, so as keen analists and mongers, it is important to be ready for such chaotic events with a lot of money on our hand, so we can exchange it for sexual experiences with many young beautiful stunners LOL!

The down fall of young beautiful girls is where we mongers fly high LOL! It is ironic truth, but it is the truth LOL!

Ukraine situation is sad, but it may change the line up of sex industry in long term as it did not just made Ukraine and Russia poor, but it also affected surrounding nations! And this happened after pandemic! So let us see how this situation evolve into for us living in the world of mongers LOL![/QUOTE]I'm waiting for my ham sandwich.

Don't make me take off my belt.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2721227]For a few months now, Ukrainians have been given visas allowing them to stay and work in Germany but it does not allow self employment so the girls can't register as working girls and work in the FKK's.[/QUOTE]They can go on kaufmich or sexdo. De.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2721227]For a few months now, Ukrainians have been given visas allowing them to stay and work in Germany but it does not allow self employment so the girls can't register as working girls and work in the FKK's.[/QUOTE]Some Ukrainians really speaking Russian at Mainhattan.

[QUOTE=PhuckBiden;2721236]I'm waiting for my ham sandwich.

Don't make me take off my belt.[/QUOTE]Here is your sandwich:

[URL]https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=rottencom&hl=ja&sxsrf=ALiCzsZ_xg4-F9LUXSys1_huUKAUGitglg:1658204434645&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjHsKryjIT5AhVytlYBHQtpCOoQ_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1600&bih=755&dpr=1[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2721156]Exactly, Ukrainians are allowed to work in EU for 3 years now is what I read, but I also do not know when, I think it is already implemented, but just like Greece crisis, we do not see those girls usually from crisis nations in FKK, only Romanians, but Romanians are beautiful so we got it lucky![/QUOTE]Yes, it was a shame we never saw the Greeks arrive in FKK when their economy crashed. Though I remember one stunning girl who provided great service in Sharks who was Greek. Not often I go with the same girl twice in one night but glad I did so with her. Her name was Vaana and was slim, natural olive skin, small tits, stunning features and knew how to carry herself. A classy woman and was fantastic in the room.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2721776]Yes, it was a shame we never saw the Greeks arrive in FKK when their economy crashed. Though I remember one stunning girl who provided great service in Sharks who was Greek. Not often I go with the same girl twice in one night but glad I did so with her. Her name was Vaana and was slim, natural olive skin, small tits, stunning features and knew how to carry herself. A classy woman and was fantastic in the room.[/QUOTE]You mean the claimed greek? Curvy, milky skin in fishnet, staying close to ex kino. A Greek, told to be good GFE, in Rhur, but not pretty enough for me.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2721776]Yes, it was a shame we never saw the Greeks arrive in FKK when their economy crashed. Though I remember one stunning girl who provided great service in Sharks who was Greek. Not often I go with the same girl twice in one night but glad I did so with her. Her name was Vaana and was slim, natural olive skin, small tits, stunning features and knew how to carry herself. A classy woman and was fantastic in the room.[/QUOTE]As a rational thinker, I was hoping for many greek stunners to come to Germany for quick cash during their nations economical downfall, but I saw only one in palace and she unfortunately was not pretty at all and far from stunner level beauty LOL!

It is odd how FKK line up works, but I guess this pandemic followed by Ukraine war can bring positive things to the line up of prostitution industry! I hear some news from Dubai disco set up prostitution scenes has changed, but not FKK! I have a feeling that for FKK, the strong system of sending girls from abroad is already established that when girls come from abroad, it has to be through this system if you are foreign girls? As for German based girls, it seems to be more free to walk in situation? This is what I am thinking when it comes to how the line up is formed in FKK! There are strong tendency of mostly Romanian, and then hmmm maybe Bulgarians when it comes to foreign girls, both are beautiful races, so they are welcome, at least that is a relief LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2717986]In the alternative they can ramp up nuclear power and convert to electric water heaters and electric a / c heater units instead of natural gas.[/QUOTE]Delaying phase out of nuclear and installing electric heaters only accounts for 9 bcm, substantially less than the 155 bcm Germany imported from Russia last year: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/how-europe-can-kick-its-russian-gas-habit-2022-03-01/[/URL].

Moreover, Germany uses eighty percent of its natural gas for industry and heating. Nuclear cannot help with either of those needs: [URL]https://www.politico.eu/article/gas-crisis-germany-nuclear-power-debate/[/URL].

[QUOTE=MrHo;2717827]The even bigger problem is how the hell Germans trusted Russia so much?[/QUOTE]Cheap Russian energy was a major competitive advantage. Without it, Germany probably would not have enjoyed the economic prosperity it did over the last two decades.

[QUOTE]
Long one of the globe's economic stars, Germany is on a brink of a reversal of fortune which some fear imperils the prosperity built by its post-war generation.

[b]"Globalisation, just-in-time supply chains and cheap energy from Russia - those are things that are changing and they are changing for good,"[/b] said Carsten Brzeski, an economist with Dutch bank ING.

[b]Those advantages have helped make German industry, from giants to hundreds of medium-sized champions, so successful.[/b] "This is a real turning point for Germany," he said.

Gunther Schnabl, an economist with Leipzig University, blames German penny pinching for the country's predicament.

For years, Germany has saved money on defence and infrastructure while helping exporters by keeping wages low and importing cheap gas from Russia, he said.

"But it wasn't investing the money. Instead it was using it to hide an erosion of prosperity. This isn't going to work for much longer. Divisions and dissatisfaction are growing."

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/nobodys-perfect-german-economy-engine-europe-splutters-2022-07-08/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=BeWilder;2721776]Yes, it was a shame we never saw the Greeks arrive in FKK when their economy crashed. Though I remember one stunning girl who provided great service in Sharks who was Greek. Not often I go with the same girl twice in one night but glad I did so with her. Her name was Vaana and was slim, natural olive skin, small tits, stunning features and knew how to carry herself. A classy woman and was fantastic in the room.[/QUOTE]I am never turned off with small tits as long as they are beautifully shaped with good shaped / colored nipples LOL!

But those beautifully shaped with beautiful nipples small tits often turns into plastic sillicone tits in FKK is something I extremely hate! After the surgery, I always tell the girls that I am so glad I tasted those before the surgeries!

Tattoo and surgeries seems to be set default trend in FKK!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2721885]Delaying phase out of nuclear and installing electric heaters only accounts for 9 bcm, substantially less than the 155 bcm Germany imported from Russia last year: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/how-europe-can-kick-its-russian-gas-habit-2022-03-01/[/URL].

Moreover, Germany uses eighty percent of its natural gas for industry and heating. Nuclear cannot help with either of those needs: [URL]https://www.politico.eu/article/gas-crisis-germany-nuclear-power-debate/[/URL].

Cheap Russian energy was a major competitive advantage. Without it, Germany probably would not have enjoyed the economic prosperity it did over the last two decades.[/QUOTE]As a monger, I hope to see some Ukrainians in FKK and Russian else where, the younger and stunner the better LOL!

So cold war begin, but this time round Russia do not have many former soviet union nations with them, but have some not so strong nations with them that will all be owned by China soon or later!

G7 should stick together as we always have as together we can win and dominate the world! Or we do not have other choices do we?

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2721885]Delaying phase out of nuclear and installing electric heaters only accounts for 9 bcm, substantially less than the 155 bcm Germany imported from Russia last year: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/how-europe-can-kick-its-russian-gas-habit-2022-03-01/[/URL].

Moreover, Germany uses eighty percent of its natural gas for industry and heating. Nuclear cannot help with either of those needs: [URL]https://www.politico.eu/article/gas-crisis-germany-nuclear-power-debate/[/URL].

Cheap Russian energy was a major competitive advantage. Without it, Germany probably would not have enjoyed the economic prosperity it did over the last two decades.[/QUOTE]The Reuters article is just outrageous when it states that the USA should subsidize Germany to buy heat pumps / ac units! The standard of living in the USA is so much below Germany it is outrageous.

Its just unbelievable. Who cares if Russia takes over Ukraine at this point! The Ukrainians women can all move to Germany or anywhere else in the EU and then Comrade P. Will be left with a sausage fest and if he wants the women back he will have to appease them by being a little less dictatorlike. But in the meantime Germany should keep buying Russian gas and delete the sanctions.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2722155]The Reuters article is just outrageous when it states that the USA should subsidize Germany to buy heat pumps / ac units! The standard of living in the USA is so much below Germany it is outrageous.

Its just unbelievable. Who cares if Russia takes over Ukraine at this point! The Ukrainians women can all move to Germany or anywhere else in the EU and then Comrade P. Will be left with a sausage fest and if he wants the women back he will have to appease them by being a little less dictatorlike. But in the meantime Germany should keep buying Russian gas and delete the sanctions.[/QUOTE]Germany was stupid to tie its long term energy security to Russia! The Russians simply can't be trusted to be reliable partners in the world economic community. They would much rather do things that are detrimental to even their own national interests. There's going to be some shivering bodies and chattering teeth in Germany this upcoming winter!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2722155]The Reuters article is just outrageous when it states that the USA should subsidize Germany to buy heat pumps / ac units! The standard of living in the USA is so much below Germany it is outrageous.

Its just unbelievable. Who cares if Russia takes over Ukraine at this point! The Ukrainians women can all move to Germany or anywhere else in the EU and then Comrade P. Will be left with a sausage fest and if he wants the women back he will have to appease them by being a little less dictatorlike. But in the meantime Germany should keep buying Russian gas and delete the sanctions.[/QUOTE]US is using this to make Russia poorer than it already was LOL! USA set this trap for Russia to walk in as they did LOL! As a result, we mongers can put our penis into the mouth, pussy and anal of Ukrainian girls hopefully LOL!

Out united monger force battalion reported that in Oase, there were 2 Ukrainian girls, so the prospects are blight! We mongers are the sunny side up here LOL! Get your gun between your leg ready LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2721814]You mean the claimed greek? Curvy, milky skin in fishnet, staying close to ex kino. A Greek, told to be good GFE, in Rhur, but not pretty enough for me.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's the one. Milky skin and fishnets! Fit as fuck and was different level fantastic in the room. If I repeat with a girl, the 2nd time I usually ask her to bring a friend but on this occasion my first session with her was a part of a threesome with short, busty Dilek) but Vaana was so good I had to have her again by herself later that night. A shame I never saw her on subsequent visits. When I totally lose control in the throes of passion I end up almost involuntarily rimming or sucking on a girl's toes Rocco style! Doesn't happen often in FKKs but the only girls who got me to that stage were my all-time favourite Fidan in Oase, blonde Roxanna in Sharks (later Palace) and Vaana.

Overall my biggest whoring regrets are not so much the poor performers / rip offs / poor value for money but not having more or longer sessions with the superstars. Biggest regret in FKK land was had a fantastic session in May 2015 with Croatian blonde Pamela (who was gorgeous and the blonde version of Tania Russof with perhaps the only flaw being a tattoo saying "Awesome" on her arse when there was no need for that as it spoke for itself). Absolutely amazing session albeit only 30 minutes, I could literally feel my head spinning afterwards. Next session I should have taken her again along with one of her friends but instead had a run of the mill threesome with tall speccy Jessica and some other Romanian brunette called Hannah who only gave me 45 mins of action for the price of 1 hour. Again, like Vaana, I never did see Pamela again.

I could easily list my top ten FKK regrets but enough reminiscing. Hopefully Hessen FKKs will pick up again. I think Ukrainian girls could be the saviour. But in the meantime there's no shortage of Russian and Ukrainian (and many more) honies to feast on in Dubai and I have a long list to get through. Mr Ho's war dividend May in the medium term see more Ukrainians in Frankfurt but we're also getting even more Russians in Dubai as their economy is also suffering and unlike Ukrainians they cannot go to Europe so easily.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2722537]Yes, that's the one. Milky skin and fishnets! Fit as fuck and was different level fantastic in the room. If I repeat with a girl, the 2nd time I usually ask her to bring a friend but on this occasion my first session with her was a part of a threesome with short, busty Dilek) but Vaana was so good I had to have her again by herself later that night. A shame I never saw her on subsequent visits. When I totally lose control in the throes of passion I end up almost involuntarily rimming or sucking on a girl's toes Rocco style! Doesn't happen often in FKKs but the only girls who got me to that stage were my all-time favourite Fidan in Oase, blonde Roxanna in Sharks (later Palace) and Vaana.

Overall my biggest whoring regrets are not so much the poor performers / rip offs / poor value for money but not having more or longer sessions with the superstars. Biggest regret in FKK land was had a fantastic session in May 2015 with Croatian blonde Pamela (who was gorgeous and the blonde version of Tania Russof with perhaps the only flaw being a tattoo saying "Awesome" on her arse when there was no need for that as it spoke for itself). Absolutely amazing session albeit only 30 minutes, I could literally feel my head spinning afterwards. Next session I should have taken her again along with one of her friends but instead had a run of the mill threesome with tall speccy Jessica and some other Romanian brunette called Hannah who only gave me 45 mins of action for the price of 1 hour. Again, like Vaana, I never did see Pamela again.

I could easily list my top ten FKK regrets but enough reminiscing. Hopefully Hessen FKKs will pick up again. I think Ukrainian girls could be the saviour. But in the meantime there's no shortage of Russian and Ukrainian (and many more) honies to feast on in Dubai and I have a long list to get through. Mr Ho's war dividend May in the medium term see more Ukrainians in Frankfurt but we're also getting even more Russians in Dubai as their economy is also suffering and unlike Ukrainians they cannot go to Europe so easily.[/QUOTE]Milky skin, claimed Greek was not fit, but cellulite on ass and behind legs, she did hide with fishnet.

Are there anyway we can change our handle name here? Admin, I know you hate my guy, but can you change my handle name to Dr Ho, it sounds better LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2722218]Germany was stupid to tie its long term energy security to Russia! The Russians simply can't be trusted to be reliable partners in the world economic community. They would much rather do things that are detrimental to even their own national interests. There's going to be some shivering bodies and chattering teeth in Germany this upcoming winter![/QUOTE]Germans love going to Florida so maybe more will start going this winter.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2722547]Milky skin, claimed Greek was not fit, but cellulite on ass and behind legs, she did hide with fishnet.[/QUOTE]Appreciate looks are subjective but would love to know which FKK girls you consider to be beautiful and have had in German FKKs? Are you able to list 5-10 with name, year and club?

Do you find these girls attractive? Among the best looking I've had in Dubai in the past 6 months? [URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-dubai/nikol-21-yo-super-model-gfe[/URL] And [URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-dubai/full-service-anal-independent[/URL] or do they also fall short you your standards. Genuinely interested as if the answer is no you're wasting your time (if not entire life considering how much you post) seeking the impossible as these are generally as good as you're going to get in this business especially FKKs unless you get incredibly lucky or pay really stupid cash for supermodels. I mean Nikol would probably be in my top ten of all time for looks and Sofia in the top 50 but I’ve had well over 600 prostitutes (and over 100 amateurs) but I’d broadly put the top 50 in the same category.

Guys I'll be free for a solo 3 day (land Saturday leaving Tuesday morning) trip in Europe and am trying to decide where to visit. So far I'm considering Frankfurt / Cologne, Vienna, Barcelona or Lisbon and would be interested in hearing your thoughts.

A little about me and what I'm looking for: mid-30's, very experienced in these things in Asia (Bangkok, Angeles city, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Hong Kong, Macau to name just a few) but much less so in Europe. Been to a few different fkks in 2 previous trips but never been to Austria / Spain / Portugal and don't speak their respective languages. Furthermore any travel during these 3 days will be using public transport / Uber / taxi.

My preference has always been young slim white girls (18-22 with a pretty face, preferably blonde with flat stomach & tight body, no cellulite and minimal tattoos, silicone tits are ok), BBBJ is a must but DFK is optional. Anal would be great but not a deal breaker.

Latinas could be interesting but the big tits / big asses girls tend to either have bigger stomachs or stretch marks which would ruin my experience. Have concern on language barriers too.

FYI I tried and was very disappointed with globe in Zurich. While I heard service was high, all the girls I saw seemed old and weathered. Not my type.

My price point is around 150-250 EUR / HR but relatively flexible for better visuals and / or anal.

1. Good old fkks. Sharks / samya / maybe palace.

- very comfortable being in Germany.
- Frankfurt hotels pretty cheap.
- no concern with language barrier.
- been to sharks and samya before, but would be first time in palace.
- itinerary would be sharks on sat, then either samya / palace / sharks for the other 2 days. Never been impressed with oase girl quality.
- historically sharks has always enough girls that I could find a few 8/10's and have a good time. $150/30 min inc BBBJ seems quite expensive given the entry fee though.
- samya is ok especially since cheaper than sharks, but previously I found the quality a step lower.
- not much language barrier when talking with these RO girls.
- German food is not great.

2. Vienna.

- never been to Austria, could be interesting to see the sights in the morning.
- not so interested in architecture / classical musicians though.
- FKK gt wien is probably the best option for my time, with wellcum / mystic / etc too far to travel.
- other options include ici Paris / maxim but don't know too much about them.
- food seems to be better than Germany, but not by much.
- prices seem to be slightly higher than Frankfurt but still within reach (apart from Babylon which is too far to go anyway).

3. Barcelona.

- never been.
- Spanish food seems decent but not super familiar with it.
- no FKK type experience but only brothel / hourly outcalls.
- language barrier with the girls may be an issue.
- anal probably easier to smaller upcharge.
- lots of touristy things to do during the day and fill up my camera as "evidence".
- SA could be a viable alternative.

4. Lisbon.

- never been.
- very cost effective destination, believe most girl prices are only 150/ HR outcall.
- not sure about the quality of women though, seems like a lot of late 20's / early 30's rather than the age bracket I'm looking for.
- probably will have the most language issues with the girls.
- not so many things to do outside of visiting girls.
- less "obvious" of a destination when compared to Frankfurt.
- would rate Portuguese food around the same level as Austrian (maybe half step above).

So far I'm leaning towards Germany just because I'm more comfortable there, but what do you guys think? Is there a clear winner? Or would you suggest an alternative destination in western Europe? If Germany is the clear winner what do you think of my choice of fkks? Are there much better ones with my preferred type?

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2722731]Appreciate looks are subjective but would love to know which FKK girls you consider to be beautiful and have had in German FKKs? Are you able to list 5-10 with name, year and club?

Do you find these girls attractive? Among the best looking I've had in Dubai in the past 6 months? [URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-dubai/nikol-21-yo-super-model-gfe[/URL] And [URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-dubai/full-service-anal-independent[/URL] or do they also fall short you your standards. Genuinely interested as if the answer is no you're wasting your time (if not entire life considering how much you post) seeking the impossible as these are generally as good as you're going to get in this business especially FKKs unless you get incredibly lucky or pay really stupid cash for supermodels. I mean Nikol would probably be in my top ten of all time for looks and Sofia in the top 50 but I've had well over 600 prostitutes (and over 100 amateurs) but Id broadly put the top 50 in the same category.[/QUOTE]Claimed Greek I thought about at Sharks, milky skin with fishnet, sitting close to ex kino, was not named Vaana, but I forgot her name when I was never with her, maybe Barbie? But her friend before she put silicon. I have too many followers because I make most of prettiest girls becoming my weekly regulars. My hardest work in FKK is to find beauties, then I use to make them becoming good for me. On last week end, I didn't understand a girl behavior in Freubad garden, nothing about public sex, so I gave up on Thursday. Quite same on Saturday afternoon. I felt she avoided me, even she told not when we introduced. Discovery finishing more than 10 minutes over time and she didn't ask for more money. She told me to return on Sunday, then she came to me, what orgasms she got, her whole body shaking and she couldn't stop when she started to cum. Such delight to make cum such full natural body and so pretty face with green eyes. Only 1 climbing day, but made good job with her. Look forward when she will be back. Also on this year, my exceptionnal behavior German, even she gained weight in Turkey, but so lovely. On discovery, when she saw my reaction about her anal proposition, telling her I didn't want to take risk to hurt her, so she explained me how to make her squirt. On our many times, I found different ways. I love to improve. On this year, also found a 18 yo Swiss at Amesia, same like my Freubad new Romanian, immaculate body with no tattoo nor silicon, delight for my eyes motivating to turn them for my love way sex. And my so GFE woman for 80/60 at Gold. On this year, when Sharks and 6 NL are falling, there is no high level club, when Globe became porn, but can still find high level girls. Quite good for me.

The other place I would consider is Madrid. Certainly prefer it over Barcelona for whoring. Has a huge club called Vive which has perhaps 80 women working on a busy night and always at least half a dozen stunners. Mix of Latina and East European. But quite expensive and think blowies are with condoms (certainly we're the two times I've been). Is a smaller much more earth club in Hotel Diana Plus which has 30 girls working on a busy night. General standard is low but are some gems to be found and when I went in 2018 was only E52 for 30 minutes and they can be persuaded to do owo. Also a nice little brothel called Placer which has reasonable looking girls for E50 for 30 minutes for daytime fun and again owo. But personally I would stick to Frankfurt but with lowered expectations.

But disclaimer. All my information is pre pandemic. May have changed.

If its not too far for you, and whoring is your main objective, Id visit Dubai. Right now, I consider it to be the whoring capital of the world right now!

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2722756]The other place I would consider is Madrid. Certainly prefer it over Barcelona for whoring. Has a huge club called Vive which has perhaps 80 women working on a busy night and always at least half a dozen stunners. Mix of Latina and East European. But quite expensive and think blowies are with condoms (certainly we're the two times I've been). Is a smaller much more earth club in Hotel Diana Plus which has 30 girls working on a busy night. General standard is low but are some gems to be found and when I went in 2018 was only E52 for 30 minutes and they can be persuaded to do owo. Also a nice little brothel called Placer which has reasonable looking girls for E50 for 30 minutes for daytime fun and again owo. But personally I would stick to Frankfurt but with lowered expectations.

But disclaimer. All my information is pre pandemic. May have changed.

If its not too far for you, and whoring is your main objective, Id visit Dubai. Right now, I consider it to be the whoring capital of the world right now![/QUOTE]Condom blowjob is no no for me LOL! Once in Almaty, a stunner blonde russian was blowing me with condom as that is how it works, then my dick was not reacting, then with her limited english with russian acqucent, she said condom problem, and she took off my condom and began BBBJ LOL! Oh my dick reacted just fine after that LOL! I am too used to BBBJ, I cannot live without it, for me BBBJ is like h20 or o2 for human kinds LOL!

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2722756]The other place I would consider is Madrid. Certainly prefer it over Barcelona for whoring.

If its not too far for you, and whoring is your main objective, Id visit Dubai. Right now, I consider it to be the whoring capital of the world right now![/QUOTE]Thanks wilder. Do the girls in Madrid speak enough English to get by or only Spanish? Vive being CBJ could bea deal-breaker but I guess it should be negotiable.

Unfortunately Dubai is way too far to go for such a short trip, but those girls you posted below definitely looks hot!

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2722746]Guys I'll be free for a solo 3 day (land Saturday leaving Tuesday morning) trip in Europe and am trying to decide where to visit. So far I'm considering Frankfurt / Cologne, Vienna, Barcelona or Lisbon and would be interested in hearing your thoughts.

A little about me and what I'm looking for: mid-30's, very experienced in these things in Asia (Bangkok, Angeles city, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Hong Kong, Macau to name just a few) but much less so in Europe. Been to a few different fkks in 2 previous trips but never been to Austria / Spain / Portugal and don't speak their respective languages. Furthermore any travel during these 3 days will be using public transport / Uber / taxi.

My preference has always been young slim white girls (18-22 with a pretty face, preferably blonde with flat stomach & tight body, no cellulite and minimal tattoos, silicone tits are ok), BBBJ is a must but DFK is optional. Anal would be great but not a deal breaker.

Latinas could be interesting but the big tits / big asses girls tend to either have bigger stomachs or stretch marks which would ruin my experience. Have concern on language barriers too.

FYI I tried and was very disappointed with globe in Zurich. While I heard service was high, all the girls I saw seemed old and weathered. Not my type.

My price point is around 150-250 EUR / HR but relatively flexible for better visuals and / or anal.

1. Good old fkks. Sharks / samya / maybe palace.

- very comfortable being in Germany.
- Frankfurt hotels pretty cheap.
- no concern with language barrier.
- been to sharks and samya before, but would be first time in palace.
- itinerary would be sharks on sat, then either samya / palace / sharks for the other 2 days. Never been impressed with oase girl quality.
- historically sharks has always enough girls that I could find a few 8/10's and have a good time. $150/30 min inc BBBJ seems quite expensive given the entry fee though.
- samya is ok especially since cheaper than sharks, but previously I found the quality a step lower.
- not much language barrier when talking with these RO girls.
- German food is not great.[/QUOTE]If I were you, if you are looking to monger, I would only stick to Germany, but if you want the culture visit other nations you mentioned unless you like boring German culture and foods there LOL! Out of the country you mentioned, Spain by far has the best food!

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2722746]Guys I'll be free for a solo 3 day (land Saturday leaving Tuesday morning) trip in Europe and am trying to decide where to visit. So far I'm considering Frankfurt / Cologne, Vienna, Barcelona or Lisbon and would be interested in hearing your thoughts.[/QUOTE]From what you have listed, Frankfurt seems the best bet, but I would remove Palace from the mix, it seems dead right now, Oase / Sharks are better choice. For the Monday Sharks is the only club where you will have choices: Oase and Samya will be dead.

Vienna for a three day trip will be boring if it's the girls your main objectives but the city is splendid.

Barcelona is so full of tourist right now that it's hell on earth.

Lisbon, prostitution is not illegal in Portugal? Last time I was there the market for girls was dead.

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2722746]Guys I'll be free for a solo 3 day (land Saturday leaving Tuesday morning) trip in Europe and am trying to decide where to visit. So far I'm considering Frankfurt / Cologne, Vienna, Barcelona or Lisbon and would be interested in hearing your thoughts.

A little about me and what I'm looking for: mid-30's, very experienced in these things in Asia (Bangkok, Angeles city, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Hong Kong, Macau to name just a few) but much less so in Europe. Been to a few different fkks in 2 previous trips but never been to Austria / Spain / Portugal and don't speak their respective languages. Furthermore any travel during these 3 days will be using public transport / Uber / taxi.

My preference has always been young slim white girls (18-22 with a pretty face, preferably blonde with flat stomach & tight body, no cellulite and minimal tattoos, silicone tits are ok), BBBJ is a must but DFK is optional. Anal would be great but not a deal breaker.

Latinas could be interesting but the big tits / big asses girls tend to either have bigger stomachs or stretch marks which would ruin my experience. Have concern on language barriers too.

FYI I tried and was very disappointed with globe in Zurich. While I heard service was high, all the girls I saw seemed old and weathered. Not my type.

My price point is around 150-250 EUR / HR but relatively flexible for better visuals and / or anal.

1. Good old fkks. Sharks / samya / maybe palace.

- very comfortable being in Germany.
- Frankfurt hotels pretty cheap.
- no concern with language barrier.
- been to sharks and samya before, but would be first time in palace.
- itinerary would be sharks on sat, then either samya / palace / sharks for the other 2 days. Never been impressed with oase girl quality.
- historically sharks has always enough girls that I could find a few 8/10's and have a good time. $150/30 min inc BBBJ seems quite expensive given the entry fee though.
- samya is ok especially since cheaper than sharks, but previously I found the quality a step lower.
- not much language barrier when talking with these RO girls.
- German food is not great.[/QUOTE]I would go to fantastic Barcelona for Gaudi, or wonderful Vienna and Salzburg. For best value for money for paid sex, best are NRW and Freubad. Ch for packages.

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[QUOTE=BeWilder;2722756]The other place I would consider is Madrid. Certainly prefer it over Barcelona for whoring. Has a huge club called Vive which has perhaps 80 women working on a busy night and always at least half a dozen stunners. Mix of Latina and East European. But quite expensive and think blowies are with condoms (certainly we're the two times I've been). Is a smaller much more earth club in Hotel Diana Plus which has 30 girls working on a busy night. General standard is low but are some gems to be found and when I went in 2018 was only E52 for 30 minutes and they can be persuaded to do owo. Also a nice little brothel called Placer which has reasonable looking girls for E50 for 30 minutes for daytime fun and again owo. But personally I would stick to Frankfurt but with lowered expectations.

But disclaimer. All my information is pre pandemic. May have changed.

If its not too far for you, and whoring is your main objective, Id visit Dubai. Right now, I consider it to be the whoring capital of the world right now![/QUOTE]So Dubai has taken the lead from Germany?

In Vive and Diana Plus roughly half the girls were east European (mainly Romanian) and all spoke decent enough English. I would say about 50% of the Latinas who make up the other contingent speak basic English. They all tend to be from South / Latin America rather than local girls.

One thing I like about Madrid is you have the above variety.

Other place I've been to in Madrid is the daytime brothel [URL]http://www.placermadrid.es/[/URL] and the girls were all Latina and both times I've been the girls' English was as non-existent as my Spanish but wasn't a problem and had a lovely time on both occasions.

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2722746]My preference has always been young slim white girls (18-22 with a pretty face, preferably blonde with flat stomach & tight body, no cellulite and minimal tattoos, silicone tits are ok), BBBJ is a must but DFK is optional. Anal would be great but not a deal breaker. Latinas could be interesting but the big tits / big asses girls tend to either have bigger stomachs or stretch marks which would ruin my experience. Have concern on language barriers too.[/QUOTE]Some of the things you guys believe! Just unbelievable. I love Latin America, and it's my favorite place to monger, with Brazil being the king of kings! And all Latinas don't have big tits and huge asses. And certainly not with stretch marks! I'm generally not an online escorts kind of guy. Too much bait and switch. The only place I make an exception for is Brazil. In Brazil, what I've seen is what I've gotten. I say that, because here I'm going to put up a few of my favorite Brazilian online tute sites just so you can see what's on offer. I'm mainly a club guy, but this is so you can actually see some fair representations of Brazilian girls (there's a rainbow of colors in the country too, including white, and performance tends to be strong). And if you want anal, then [B]no place is better[/B]. Stop letting some incorrect image you somehow have in your head influence your decision making!

[URL]https://www.riosexsite.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.barravipsrio.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.rioencontro.com.br/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.private55.com/[/URL]

Agree with The Cane. I don't associate Latina girls with phat asses and stretch marks. They come in most shapes and sizes but the ones I've had usually have killer figures and generally slim. Is one benefit Madrid has over Frankfurt. Lots of Brazilians and other latinas. Also had venezualean and Argentinian in Madrid and seen girls from Colombia, Paraguay and Mexico working the clubs. All good and the two girls I had in Vive Brazilians, the last one jaw dropping gorgeous. The type the camera pans to when they're playing in the World Cup.

Overall, I'the rate Brazilians (also had lots in London) together with Ukrainians and Uzbeks as my favourite three nationalities giving weighting to looks and raunch. So maybe with Frankfurt in a state of flux, Madrid is the place to visit and is also good from a tourist perspective.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2722808]In Vive and Diana Plus roughly half the girls were east European (mainly Romanian) and all spoke decent enough English. I would say about 50% of the Latinas who make up the other contingent speak basic English. They all tend to be from South / Latin America rather than local girls.

One thing I like about Madrid is you have the above variety.

Other place I've been to in Madrid is the daytime brothel [URL]http://www.placermadrid.es/[/URL] and the girls were all Latina and both times I've been the girls' English was as non-existent as my Spanish but wasn't a problem and had a lovely time on both occasions.[/QUOTE]How much are the upcharge for greek and CIM at the placer location?

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[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2722801]From what you have listed, Frankfurt seems the best bet, but I would remove Palace from the mix, it seems dead right now, Oase / Sharks are better choice. For the Monday Sharks is the only club where you will have choices: Oase and Samya will be dead.

Vienna for a three day trip will be boring if it's the girls your main objectives but the city is splendid.

Barcelona is so full of tourist right now that it's hell on earth.

Lisbon, prostitution is not illegal in Portugal? Last time I was there the market for girls was dead.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Sat Sharks / Sun Samya / Mon Sharks sounds like a pretty fun 3 days actually. Actually my trip will be early Sep so hopefully most of the Euro tourists will have left Spain by then.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2722808]In Vive and Diana Plus roughly half the girls were east European (mainly Romanian) and all spoke decent enough English. I would say about 50% of the Latinas who make up the other contingent speak basic English. They all tend to be from South / Latin America rather than local girls.

One thing I like about Madrid is you have the above variety.

Other place I've been to in Madrid is the daytime brothel [URL]http://www.placermadrid.es/[/URL] and the girls were all Latina and both times I've been the girls' English was as non-existent as my Spanish but wasn't a problem and had a lovely time on both occasions.[/QUOTE]Great info about RO girls in Madrid. Do you find them more hardened than ffk girls or about the same?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2722819]Some of the things you guys believe! Just unbelievable. I love Latin America, and it's my favorite place to monger, with Brazil being the king of kings! [/QUOTE]Believe me if Brazil / South America was an option I would definitely take it. I hear great things about Scandaloo! Unfortunately it's just too far for a strict 3 day trip. One day I'll definitely make my way there for at least a week.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2722863]Agree with The Cane. I don't associate Latina girls with phat asses and stretch marks. They come in most shapes and sizes but the ones I've had usually have killer figures and generally slim. Is one benefit Madrid has over Frankfurt. Lots of Brazilians and other latinas. Also had venezualean and Argentinian in Madrid and seen girls from Colombia, Paraguay and Mexico working the clubs. All good and the two girls I had in Vive Brazilians, the last one jaw dropping gorgeous. The type the camera pans to when they're playing in the World Cup.

Overall, I'the rate Brazilians (also had lots in London) together with Ukrainians and Uzbeks as my favourite three nationalities giving weighting to looks and raunch. So maybe with Frankfurt in a state of flux, Madrid is the place to visit and is also good from a tourist perspective.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the input and advice everyone. Frankly when I posted this in each respective thread I thought everyone would just push for their own city but I'm very surprised at how well rated you guys find Spain! Is the girl quality difference between BCN & MAD notable or pretty similar?

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2722906]Believe me if Brazil / South America was an option I would definitely take it. I hear great things about Scandaloo! Unfortunately it's just too far for a strict 3 day trip. One day I'll definitely make my way there for at least a week.[/QUOTE]But any trip to Brazil requires a [B]minimum[/B] of 10 days. The two principal mongering cities are Sao Paulo and Rio (but there are others). For a first trip, don't try to split up 10 days between the two. They are both megaliths that require your complete focus. So coming from a long distance would require a long stay to make it worth it. Scandallo Lounge is in Sao Paulo. I include a couple of photos of one of my Scandallo tutes. That butt hole was clean, pink, white, and tight! Man out of sight! Aahahaha!

[URL]https://youtu.be/YEV51mFxVxo[/URL]

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2722906]Thanks, Sat Sharks / Sun Samya / Mon Sharks sounds like a pretty fun 3 days actually. Actually my trip will be early Sep so hopefully most of the Euro tourists will have left Spain by then.

Great info about RO girls in Madrid. Do you find them more hardened than ffk girls or about the same?

Believe me if Brazil / South America was an option I would definitely take it. I hear great things about Scandaloo! Unfortunately it's just too far for a strict 3 day trip. One day I'll definitely make my way there for at least a week.

Thanks for the input and advice everyone. Frankly when I posted this in each respective thread I thought everyone would just push for their own city but I'm very surprised at how well rated you guys find Spain! Is the girl quality difference between BCN & MAD notable or pretty similar?[/QUOTE]Sharks girls ask too expensive for their level of look which fell compare to last year. Samya will be very slow until 7 pm on Sunday. I would go to Gold with prettier looks and even than at Sharks.

The Romanians I met in Madrid were fine. Maybe the competition with the Latina babes makes them raise their game whereas they're the only show in town in Germany. Had six girls in total across two visits in 2018 and 2019.

- 2 Brazilians both in Vive.

- 2 Romanians both in Whiskeria Estark ie the club next to Hotel Diana Plus.

- an Argentinian and Venezuelan in Placer (both milfs but great service)

All were good. The Romanians were young cuties both in their late teens or early 20s and I was so taken by one of them I returned the next night especially to see one. Only regret is I didn't make it a long session.

Only been to one brothel in Barcelona so can't make an informed comparison. It was near the Nou Camp [URL]https://www.felinabcn.com/en/brothel[/URL] and was shown around a dozen girls one by one. All Latinas and all nice looking before choosing one (a young venezualean blonde cutie. Service was fine but CBJ). Similar concept to Placer where they showed all 4 girls available one at a time. But I don't know if Barcelona has the big clubs like Vive and Estark- my research at the time didn't come up with any which is why I rate Madrid higher. But sure you'll also find quality in Barcelona. If this isn't just a sex tour perhaps pick the city that most appeals and I'm sure you'll find friendly company in both cities!

In fact if you're into football, Felina is a short walk from the Nou Camp and Vive is around the corner from the Bernabeu! Both short walking distance. Maybe see if there's a game on while you're there. As the thing is unlike Germany you can't really stay in one place all day so need to fill in the time between sessions with tourist stuff.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2722952]The Romanians I met in Madrid were fine. Maybe the competition with the Latina babes makes them raise their game whereas they're the only show in town in Germany. Had six girls in total across two visits in 2018 and 2019.[/QUOTE]I've had outstanding sessions with Romanian girls in Spain as well, some of them absolutely memorable for a lifetime. Spain is currently in my doghouse (lots of discussions in the appropriate threads on why), but for anybody who's interested, here's a look back at my last major mongering adventure in Spain:

[POST]2170210[/POST]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2722819]Some of the things you guys believe! Just unbelievable. I love Latin America, and it's my favorite place to monger, with Brazil being the king of kings! And all Latinas don't have big tits and huge asses. And certainly not with stretch marks! I'm generally not an online escorts kind of guy. Too much bait and switch. The only place I make an exception for is Brazil. In Brazil, what I've seen is what I've gotten. I say that, because here I'm going to put up a few of my favorite Brazilian online tute sites just so you can see what's on offer. I'm mainly a club guy, but this is so you can actually see some fair representations of Brazilian girls (there's a rainbow of colors in the country too, including white, and performance tends to be strong). And if you want anal, then [B]no place is better[/B]. Stop letting some incorrect image you somehow have in your head influence your decision making!

[URL]https://www.riosexsite.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.barravipsrio.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.rioencontro.com.br/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.private55.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Some of the girls looks fine, but you do find the same level or higher in therma or club right? Because I like to see the girls in front of me under good lights to avoid misplacement LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2722974]I've had outstanding sessions with Romanian girls in Spain as well, some of them absolutely memorable for a lifetime. Spain is currently in my doghouse (lots of discussions in the appropriate threads on why), but for anybody who's interested, here's a look back at my last major mongering adventure in Spain:

[POST]2170210[/POST][/QUOTE]Was the session BBBJ? For me, if romanians do not BBBJ, it is against their religion LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2722916]But any trip to Brazil requires a [B]minimum[/B] of 10 days. The two principal mongering cities are Sao Paulo and Rio (but there are others). For a first trip, don't try to split up 10 days between the two. They are both megaliths that require your complete focus. So coming from a long distance would require a long stay to make it worth it. Scandallo Lounge is in Sao Paulo. I include a couple of photos of one of my Scandallo tutes. That butt hole was clean, pink, white, and tight! Man out of sight! Aahahaha!

[URL]https://youtu.be/YEV51mFxVxo[/URL][/QUOTE]It seems more organized than FKK to some extent, but it is not bathrobe set up right? You have to be dressed and also it is disco, not the spa or sauna? Also girls are non-nude right?

Isn't this blonde guy the former owner or still the owner of FKK oceans? :

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[QUOTE=VonderJohn;2723051]Ok here's a bold question: how many 'sessions' would one be able to do as he grows older?

For example me, I'm in my mid 30's. Good health. I know I can do 5 sessions in a day. What should I expect when I reach my 40's? 50's? 60's? 70's? Is my stamina age-based or health-based or two? Would I still be able to do a session or two in my 70's? Which age does it really go down?

Would be nice to hear some input from different men around here given that we all come from different age groups, I guess.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2723158]As a consultant, I answer "it depends". .

I guess, you cannot do 5 sessions a day for a full week?

I am 65 and can do 3 sessions a day, I think. But not for a week.

It also depends a lot on the girl I think. Just before covid, I was in Artemis and have had 3 sessions that day. Time was midnigt and I felt is was time to retire.

Ran into Anja and she asked me if I was ready for her. I told her I have had 3 session and that was my daily performance limit. She told me: "I will manage this, just relax. I am proffessional you know!" And so it went, without any problems at all. .[/QUOTE]Good answer from Blue Swede which is easy to relate to.

Personally I would have had dificulties to nut more than 5 times a day when I was in my 30s. Now in my 60s I can still nut 5 times on some days, but not several days in a row.

With Viagra I can easily have 10 sessions a day, but I cannot nut more than 2- 5 times. 2nd day a little less, and probably a break after 3- 4 days would do me good. That is good enough for me. Overall I am happy with 1- 3 daily sessions when mongering.

I have an overweight friend my age with diabetes who suffers a bit. Still active as a monger though. A girl once proudly told me that the oldest person she was able to nut was in his late 80s. I am hoping that one day it will be me.

At my age my sessions from the past are countless, and there are other joys in life to be explored on day 4 (family and friends, good wine, good music, fine art, hiking, fishing, historic places). It is good for your mind and soul to not always be obsessed wiht t&a.

Then again, few things in life is sweeter than that cute girl smiling and staring at the bulge in your pocket (even though I admit her thoughts probably are on my money and not my erection).

So, in my experience, VonderJohn: Don't worry about age, but stay healthy and fit, and you will live a happy life.

Have fun.

- S16.

Mae West: "Too much of a good thing can be wonderful. I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it."

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2722928]Sharks girls ask too expensive for their level of look which fell compare to last year. Samya will be very slow until 7 pm on Sunday. I would go to Gold with prettier looks and even than at Sharks.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I think Aca Gold may been too far to travel for a day trip without my own car. I do hear some good things about the place though.

[QUOTE=BeWilder;2722952]The Romanians I met in Madrid were fine. Maybe the competition with the Latina babes makes them raise their game whereas they're the only show in town in Germany. Had six girls in total across two visits in 2018 and 2019.

Only been to one brothel in Barcelona so can't make an informed comparison. It was near the Nou Camp [URL]https://www.felinabcn.com/en/brothel[/URL] and was shown around a dozen girls one by one. All Latinas and all nice looking before choosing one (a young venezualean blonde cutie. Service was fine but CBJ). Similar concept to Placer where they showed all 4 girls available one at a time. But I don't know if Barcelona has the big clubs like Vive and Estark- my research at the time didn't come up with any which is why I rate Madrid higher. But sure you'll also find quality in Barcelona. If this isn't just a sex tour perhaps pick the city that most appeals and I'm sure you'll find friendly company in both cities!

In fact if you're into football, Felina is a short walk from the Nou Camp and Vive is around the corner from the Bernabeu! Both short walking distance. Maybe see if there's a game on while you're there. As the thing is unlike Germany you can't really stay in one place all day so need to fill in the time between sessions with tourist stuff.[/QUOTE]Great info, unfortunately football may be one of my least favourite mainstream sports. Thanks for the suggestion anyway. For the brothels where CBJ is the norm, I assume you could either negotiate with the girl or ask the shop to point out the CBJ only girls so they could be avoided?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2722974]I've had outstanding sessions with Romanian girls in Spain as well, some of them absolutely memorable for a lifetime. Spain is currently in my doghouse (lots of discussions in the appropriate threads on why), but for anybody who's interested, here's a look back at my last major mongering adventure in Spain:

[POST]2170210[/POST][/QUOTE]Thanks for the link, but none of the reports were in BCN correct? Any chance you could link an older one of yours from BCN?

[QUOTE=Shark16;2723227]Discussion moved from the Artemis thread: Good answer from Blue Swede which is easy to relate to. Personally I would have had difficulties to nut more than 5 times a day when I was in my 30s. Now in my 60s I can still nut 5 times on some days, but not several days in a row.[/QUOTE]For me, it almost doesn't even matter anymore. Why? Because on any given day I typically only see 1 or 2 girls, maybe 3, that I want to fuck. And, I can easily nut that many times in a day. And I don't need any blue pills or anything like that to get the job done. It's funny because years ago, I used to fly into Costa Rica and slam fuck 7 or 8 tutes on the first day and bust inside of every last single one of them! On day two, I would do about 5, with the same result! On day three only 1 hehehe, and then on day four none! Needed some rest and recuperation LOLOLOL! But then after that, I would settle into a steady 2 tutes a day for the rest of the trip (nutting each time), which was always at least 10 days long. So think about it. I'm talking like 25 sessions over ten days with only a few of those being repeats! Was making up for lost time hahaha! These days, like I said, I'm happy to do a steady two or three sessions a day. But the truth is that on some days I will do none (didn't see anybody I wanted), and on others I might see several I might like and want to do, with it all averaging out to 2 or 3 tutes a day, concluding not with just one nut, but often multiples in each session LOL (I've always been a horny lad)! This is why it's important for me to be selective (besides being good on the budget). Because if a girl seriously turns me on, I'll [B]explode[/B] in that mouth, pussy, and asshole! We talking a tute getting paid LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2723238]Thanks for the link, but none of the reports were in BCN correct? Any chance you could link an older one of yours from BCN?[/QUOTE]I have been to Barcelona. It was a long time ago, and I never returned. The reason is that although I found Barcelona to be an excellent tourist town and great for mongering too, Madrid was simply a cut above for me. So, rather than go back to Barcelona, when traveling Spain my preference was to hit Madrid repeatedly while discovering new destinations on the Iberian peninsula. So sorry, but I can't help you here.

Regarding Romanian girls in Spain, it's like anywhere else. If you want BBBJ / CIM or anal or whatever else, then you have to ask the girls if they offer that. Some do and some don't. On Brazil, again the termas in Rio operate like the FKKs but they are much, much smaller. And yes, Scandallo is a nightclub kind of setting (several others in Sampa too). Everybody clothed, music, dancing, restaurant, etc. The best daytime action in Rio is the "privees" and the "clinicas" for Sao Paulo (basically different words for a brothel). The daytime action is inexpensive and plentiful, but I just don't find most of the girls in the "day league" to be as hot. But, you often can find some day gems and get a nut before playing in the "night league" later. Anybody who is serious about Brazil or Spain needs to RTFF in the appropriate threads. Start with the Reports of Distinction.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9wWoM0zaE4[/URL]

[QUOTE=Shark16;2723227]Discussion moved from the Artemis thread:



Good answer from Blue Swede which is easy to relate to.

Personally I would have had dificulties to nut more than 5 times a day when I was in my 30s. Now in my 60s I can still nut 5 times on some days, but not several days in a row.

With Viagra I can easily have 10 sessions a day, but I cannot nut more than 2- 5 times. 2nd day a little less, and probably a break after 3- 4 days would do me good. That is good enough for me. Overall I am happy with 1- 3 daily sessions when mongering.

I have an overweight friend my age with diabetes who suffers a bit. Still active as a monger though. A girl once proudly told me that the oldest person she was able to nut was in his late 80s. I am hoping that one day it will be me.

At my age my sessions from the past are countless, and there are other joys in life to be explored on day 4 (family and friends, good wine, good music, fine art, hiking, fishing, historic places). It is good for your mind and soul to not always be obsessed wiht t&a.

Then again, few things in life is sweeter than that cute girl smiling and staring at the bulge in your pocket (even though I admit her thoughts probably are on my money and not my erection).

So, in my experience, VonderJohn: Don't worry about age, but stay healthy and fit, and you will live a happy life.

Have fun.

- S16.

Mae West: "Too much of a good thing can be wonderful. I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it."[/QUOTE]Depending on your genetics, etc. It is possible that you could have perfect health and get Peyronie's disease in your thirties and be crying like a baby trying to have sex and wishing your life was over. It wouldn't matter to anyone but you and some people would think it was funny. I guess I am just pointing out an outlier possibility that is not known to many because no one makes it common knowledge. The question was asked so I added to the answer.

When doing 1 HR sessions, does that include 2 pops?

So, what if an infected bi-sexual male shows up at an FKK and has sex with a prostitute? WTF! Just what we need. Another worldwide health emergency!

[URL]https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/23/health/monkeypox-who-intl/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Shark16;2723227]Discussion moved from the Artemis thread:[/QUOTE]I never tried viagra, but cialis and levitra I have and I enjoyed them both on my everyday FKK 5 days trips (used to do 10 to max 14 consecutive day FKK trip), but viagra has less efficacy length right? Only works for 3 hours or so!

I wonder if there will be better medicine for my older days when I am in my 60's, so that I can keep on fucking like in my teen years, I am hoping for the science world to invent such medicine!

However, once in nice gym in frankfurt, I met a german guy in his 60's, totally built like a body builder who told me he takes human growth hormone and he said he now can fuck like teenager after he began taking human growth hormone, but downside is its negative health effects in exchange of youth! But look at sylvester stallone, he is fine, in his 70's, never had measure diseases and he has been on medicines of all sort of years and years!

I think it is also mental as well, I am getting too used to beautiful young stunners of all kind nude and doing all sort of dirty things for me since age 17, so I still love it, but getting used to it and that is not works in favor for me sometimes I think, so it is also mental, not just physical!

I am in my 40's now and strive to fuck young stunners till my death!

I thought in Brazil you can walk into a low income neighborhood and put up a sign to request services and then providers will come out to meet you.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2723251]Regarding Romanian girls in Spain, it's like anywhere else. If you want BBBJ / CIM or anal or whatever else, then you have to ask the girls if they offer that. Some do and some don't. On Brazil, again the termas in Rio operate like the FKKs but they are much, much smaller. And yes, Scandallo is a nightclub kind of setting (several others in Sampa too). Everybody clothed, music, dancing, restaurant, etc. The best daytime action in Rio is the "privees" and the "clinicas" for Sao Paulo (basically different words for a brothel). The daytime action is inexpensive and plentiful, but I just don't find most of the girls in the "day league" to be as hot. But, you often can find some day gems and get a nut before playing in the "night league" later. Anybody who is serious about Brazil or Spain needs to RTFF in the appropriate threads. Start with the Reports of Distinction.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9wWoM0zaE4[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2723251]Regarding Romanian girls in Spain, it's like anywhere else. If you want BBBJ / CIM or anal or whatever else, then you have to ask the girls if they offer that. Some do and some don't. On Brazil, again the termas in Rio operate like the FKKs but they are much, much smaller. And yes, Scandallo is a nightclub kind of setting (several others in Sampa too). Everybody clothed, music, dancing, restaurant, etc. The best daytime action in Rio is the "privees" and the "clinicas" for Sao Paulo (basically different words for a brothel). The daytime action is inexpensive and plentiful, but I just don't find most of the girls in the "day league" to be as hot. But, you often can find some day gems and get a nut before playing in the "night league" later. Anybody who is serious about Brazil or Spain needs to RTFF in the appropriate threads. Start with the Reports of Distinction.[/QUOTE]Clothed girls can have bad shaped nipple that is scary thing, but hmmm night shift is therma then, but what time are the girls shift? Like for FKK, it is 7 to 8 pm the girls walks in for the last time and same for palace, but palace it is better to be there by 5 pm, so what time is it for therma in Brazil? Like 7 pm or?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2723241]For me, it almost doesn't even matter anymore. Why? Because on any given day I typically only see 1 or 2 girls, maybe 3, that I want to fuck. And, I can easily nut that many times in a day. And I don't need any blue pills or anything like that to get the job done. It's funny because years ago, I used to fly into Costa Rica and slam fuck 7 or 8 tutes on the first day and bust inside of every last single one of them! On day two, I would do about 5, with the same result! On day three only 1 hehehe, and then on day four none! Needed some rest and recuperation LOLOLOL! But then after that, I would settle into a steady 2 tutes a day for the rest of the trip (nutting each time), which was always at least 10 days long. So think about it. I'm talking like 25 sessions over ten days with only a few of those being repeats! Was making up for lost time hahaha! These days, like I said, I'm happy to do a steady two or three sessions a day. But the truth is that on some days I will do none (didn't see anybody I wanted), and on others I might see several I might like and want to do, with it all averaging out to 2 or 3 tutes a day, concluding not with just one nut, but often multiples in each session LOL (I've always been a horny lad)! This is why it's important for me to be selective (besides being good on the budget). Because if a girl seriously turns me on, I'll [B]explode[/B] in that mouth, pussy, and asshole! We talking a tute getting paid LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]I am going toward that direction, but I still got this recurrent dream of early 2010's artmies when I used to bang and cum 3 to 5 stunners every day! And some day 7 rooms with all cums! But now, my capability became limited to around 3 cums or max 4 per day and also my mind is getting bit used to fucking stunner girls and also simply you do not find many stunners girls in FKK anymore! But let us see with this pandemic and Ukraine situation how it will benefit the FKK line up!

[QUOTE=Jorepi;2723270]When doing 1 HR sessions, does that include 2 pops?[/QUOTE]Generally no. You need to discuss it with the girl.

[QUOTE=Jorepi;2723270]When doing 1 HR sessions, does that include 2 pops?[/QUOTE]Usually yes, you got to tell that to girl before, but usually they agree to it, but if you can of course, they will try, but if you cannot then you cannot blame that on girl to be fair!

[QUOTE=Jorepi;2723270]When doing 1 HR sessions, does that include 2 pops?[/QUOTE]Depend on your behavior and girl behavior and stamina. For me, quite short to have time to finish. Since 2 months, obsessed by my Summer sporty tour and new car when I don t find the good one, when I don t take any product like professionnals, but I need to fuck for more than 1 hour to finish, my exceptionnal sex machine German telling me since few weeks: You fuck really hard, so I apologize. NL 180 supermodel seemed a bit exhausted yesterday when I didn t fuck her for more than 30 mn and didn t even finish.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2723422]I thought in Brazil you can walk into a low income neighborhood and put up a sign to request services and then providers will come out to meet you.[/QUOTE]Just like in the photo hommes. So give it a try and let us know how it goes for you OK?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2723370]I never tried viagra, but cialis and levitra I have and I enjoyed them both on my everyday FKK 5 days trips (used to do 10 to max 14 consecutive day FKK trip), but viagra has less efficacy length right? Only works for 3 hours or so![/QUOTE]They all work, but I would prefer cialis over viagra tbh. I still can do without any pills, but it gives a nice boost after your first two pops.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2723370]However, once in nice gym in frankfurt, I met a german guy in his 60's, totally built like a body builder who told me he takes human growth hormone and he said he now can fuck like teenager after he began taking human growth hormone, but downside is its negative health effects in exchange of youth! But look at sylvester stallone, he is fine, in his 70's, never had measure diseases and he has been on medicines of all sort of years and years![/QUOTE]Be careful. There is a lot of stimulances and bad advice out there that will fuck up your sex life. Only listen to your doctor. I would rather visit a brothel with a belly and an erection than look fit with nothing happening down there.

The best medicine is to eat healthy, go to the gym and do your daily walk.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2723370]I think it is also mental as well, I am getting too used to beautiful young stunners of all kind[/QUOTE]I believe you. You have a lively imagination seeing stunners everywhere. Which is mostly not true and can lead to frustration. I don't think I have seen a "perfect 10" in any FKK club. Maybe a handful of 9s. And I have basically visited the best clubs (whatever that is) in the Hessen area and more on a regular basis for 20 years. Also add that all clubs struggle a bit post covid. Still tons of fun to be had with the cute 7- 8s. Just keep it relaxed and avoid the hype.

[QUOTE=Shark16;2723918]They all work, but I would prefer cialis over viagra tbh. I still can do without any pills, but it gives a nice boost after your first two pops.[/QUOTE]What are the worst known side effects of each one (Viagra, Cialis, Levitra), and which one, if any, is generally considered to be "the best" overall? I'm nowhere needing pills at this point, but it's good info to have for future reference. If I did use anything, I would want something that is safe and effective and long-lasting (not constantly having to pop a pill).

[QUOTE=Shark16;2723918]They all work, but I would prefer cialis over viagra tbh. I still can do without any pills, but it gives a nice boost after your first two pops.

Be careful. There is a lot of stimulances and bad advice out there that will fuck up your sex life. Only listen to your doctor. I would rather visit a brothel with a belly and an erection than look fit with nothing happening down there.

The best medicine is to eat healthy, go to the gym and do your daily walk.

I believe you. You have a lively imagination seeing stunners everywhere. Which is mostly not true and can lead to frustration. I don't think I have seen a "perfect 10" in any FKK club. Maybe a handful of 9s. And I have basically visited the best clubs (whatever that is) in the Hessen area and more on a regular basis for 20 years. Also add that all clubs struggle a bit post covid. Still tons of fun to be had with the cute 7- 8s. Just keep it relaxed and avoid the hype.[/QUOTE]Stunners depend on your standards at home. All blondes, even fake, are attractive for Asians. On Saturday, I got a NL woman, around 30,180 tall, who did model in Paris, what a beauty, turning so wet on DATY with her explosion, then french kissing so much when she said at first: only her BF. She proposed me to finish me in her mouth with no extra, but I preferred to fuck such beauty. She looked exhausted and I didn't finish after 1 hour. If I took more risk when booking was a bit complicated, I could pay only 160/60 for a NL supermodel and really beautiful and great in bed. It was in NL, then did speed to Rhur for my exceptionnal German.

I am planning to go to Frankfurt to visit Oase and sharks next week. Is it dangerous to visit club at this time? Should I cancel the trip?

[QUOTE=Shark16;2723918]They all work, but I would prefer cialis over viagra tbh. I still can do without any pills, but it gives a nice boost after your first two pops.

Be careful. There is a lot of stimulances and bad advice out there that will fuck up your sex life. Only listen to your doctor. I would rather visit a brothel with a belly and an erection than look fit with nothing happening down there.

The best medicine is to eat healthy, go to the gym and do your daily walk.

I believe you. You have a lively imagination seeing stunners everywhere. Which is mostly not true and can lead to frustration. I don't think I have seen a "perfect 10" in any FKK club. Maybe a handful of 9s. And I have basically visited the best clubs (whatever that is) in the Hessen area and more on a regular basis for 20 years. Also add that all clubs struggle a bit post covid. Still tons of fun to be had with the cute 7- 8s. Just keep it relaxed and avoid the hype.[/QUOTE]I found out the following:

1): I first thought amino acids are healthier for you than pde 5 inhibitor drugs like cialis, viagra and levitra, but I was wrong, some wrong balanced amino acids can fuck up your amino acids balance for life, so it is better to stick to eating egg that has perfect amino acid balance! So good diet so to speak!

2): I first thought pde 5 inhibitor is not good for your health, but I was wrong, it has some low dose aspirin like effect at low dose, and low dose clialis, viagra or levitra is even taken by many people advised by doctors for their artery health! So these drugs are actually good stimulant and preventional drugs for your arteries! So it is better to take these medicine than taking some amino acid supplement! And these drugs were originally made for artery health not for penis, and has been tested throughout, so they are actually good for arteries health and penis effect was a bonus!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2723952]What are the worst known side effects of each one (Viagra, Cialis, Levitra), and which one, if any, is generally considered to be "the best" overall? I'm nowhere needing pills at this point, but it's good info to have for future reference. If I did use anything, I would want something that is safe and effective and long-lasting (not constantly having to pop a pill).[/QUOTE]They are even good for the arteries as long as the dose is limited, some people take them on daily basis like low dose aspirin!

[QUOTE=EIx312;2724063]I am planning to go to Frankfurt to visit Oase and sharks next week. Is it dangerous to visit club at this time? Should I cancel the trip?[/QUOTE]Right now monkeypox is insignificant for straight sex practitioner.

Add to that that more than half the case for Germany are limited to Berlin and a visit to Frankfurt is perfectly safe.

[QUOTE=EIx312;2724063]I am planning to go to Frankfurt to visit Oase and sharks next week. Is it dangerous to visit club at this time? Should I cancel the trip?[/QUOTE]Well, I asked a question about it earlier. It's an interesting situation.

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[QUOTE=MrHo;2724103]I found out the following:

1): I first thought amino acids are healthier for you than pde 5 inhibitor drugs like cialis, viagra and levitra, but I was wrong, some wrong balanced amino acids can fuck up your amino acids balance for life, so it is better to stick to eating egg that has perfect amino acid balance! So good diet so to speak!

2): I first thought pde 5 inhibitor is not good for your health, but I was wrong, it has some low dose aspirin like effect at low dose, and low dose clialis, viagra or levitra is even taken by many people advised by doctors for their artery health! So these drugs are actually good stimulant and preventional drugs for your arteries! So it is better to take these medicine than taking some amino acid supplement! And these drugs were originally made for artery health not for penis, and has been tested throughout, so they are actually good for arteries health and penis effect was a bonus![/QUOTE]The big pharmacy companies should design a combination pill of ivermectin and sildenefil for hobbyists to take each day of their trip.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2723952]What are the worst known side effects of each one (Viagra, Cialis, Levitra), and which one, if any, is generally considered to be "the best" overall? I'm nowhere needing pills at this point, but it's good info to have for future reference. If I did use anything, I would want something that is safe and effective and long-lasting (not constantly having to pop a pill).[/QUOTE]Hehe ... my best advice would be listen to a doctor and not anyone on a sex forum for sex addicts. I am not a doctor (and I would never ever trust anyone called Dr. Ho LOL!).

But anyways, from personal experience cialis last longer (24- 48 hrs) than the others and give me less (almost none) sideeffects. Viagra only lasts 4- 6 hrs and gives me sometimes light stomach pain for half an hour (usually 1- 2 days after taking the pill). Nothing to worry about according to my doctor. Levitra I have only tried once and can't really remember.

If you want to play safe, then I suggest:

- don't start with any pill before consulting a doctor. If you are in bad health (like with a heart disease), the use of any pill can be fatal.

- The pills come in different sizes (5- 20 MG). Start slowly with (maybe just half) the smallest pill and in accordance with doctor's advice. Do not try to overdose (see above).

- Buy the pills at your local approved pharmacy. Do not buy any pills on the net. It may be cheaper, but the pills may include hazardous stuff that may cause serious damage (see above).

It is worth noting that the pill only makes your dick harder and thus more sensitive. It does not make you climax harder. You still need to be turned on. A skilled goodlooking working girl help.

Keep it relaxed and fun and do what feels natural (with or without the pill). Never stress with number of sessions, but always enjoy the girl you are with.

- S16.

[QUOTE=Shark16;2724321]Hehe ... my best advice would be listen to a doctor and not anyone on a sex forum for sex addicts. I am not a doctor (and I would never ever trust anyone called Dr. Ho LOL!).[/QUOTE]I've actually already done extensive research. I just wanted to see what people would say about their own personal experiences. Thanks for your reply. Luckily, I don't need any performance-enhancing pills at this time.

Any recommendations for Stuttgart and Ulm? I saw a Paradise thread — very convenient to airport — but think it's closed? What are best options for these two cities?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2724357]Any recommendations for Stuttgart and Ulm? I saw a Paradise thread very convenient to airport but think it's closed? What are best options for these two cities?[/QUOTE]Venus Felbach around Stuttgart.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2724287]The big pharmacy companies should design a combination pill of ivermectin and sildenefil for hobbyists to take each day of their trip.[/QUOTE]We mongers are the minority my dear doc, most are virtual mongers wanking front of pc screen to porn and denounce about us as dirty men LOL! We live! They don't!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2724326]I've actually already done extensive research. I just wanted to see what people would say about their own personal experiences. Thanks for your reply. Luckily, I don't need any performance-enhancing pills at this time.[/QUOTE]Soon or later, you will need it if you do more than 3 sessions with 3 cums per day, every day!

One day, I will cut the numbers of sessions to 2 cum or even 1 cum per day, the day I cut it to that, I may use high end escort and begin to film the session for my personal use later when I am back home LOL!

When you begin the magic pill, cut the pill to half or quarter first to see how you react and work your way up when you need it or if you need it!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2724326]I've actually already done extensive research. I just wanted to see what people would say about their own personal experiences. Thanks for your reply. Luckily, I don't need any performance-enhancing pills at this time.[/QUOTE]What did you find out through your research, you are a wise man, so it is interesting what you have to say!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2724554]What did you find out through your research, you are a wise man, so it is interesting what you have to say![/QUOTE]Well, here is a nice summary. They all seem to have known side effects that I don't like ot want. What am I going to do when I can't get a boner for those pretty "Romies" and "Garotas" anymore! Sigh!

[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/316355[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2724756]Well, here is a nice summary. They all seem to have known side effects that I don't like ot want. What am I going to do when I can't get a boner for those pretty "Romies" and "Garotas" anymore! Sigh!

[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/316355[/URL][/QUOTE]Once before Viagra became generic in the USA My doctor prescribed Revatio I guess to save money. It is a tiny dose. It is Viagra but branded to treat Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension. It is just a random fact about Viagra and know little about it. I don't use it on a regular basis. I know you guys are bonafide super perverts but I regularly did 3 pops in 40 minute sessions and did 4 pops once. I basically had a 60 second refactory period which some of the girls thought was unusual.

Is there anywhere you can see the calendar for the frankfurt clubs?

I love lingerie days for example, but looking on the homepages for mainhattan, sharks etc there are no dates!

Wellcum has a good calendar for example.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2724756]Well, here is a nice summary. They all seem to have known side effects that I don't like ot want. What am I going to do when I can't get a boner for those pretty "Romies" and "Garotas" anymore! Sigh!

[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/316355[/URL][/QUOTE]If you are sensitive to many drugs you will def get the side effects. Most of the guys I have talked to over the years say the same thing. Side effects generally decrease or go away with regukar use of the drug. 2) many of the more aggressive side effects are seen in generics that are bought in poorly regulated countries. 3) with ciallis there is less doubt in your head about how long the clock has been ticking. (Basically the same side effect you get when a girl says to you. You don't have much time left. You should hurry up and cum. I mean "that always works well!

I do know a couple guys who say that it takes longer to achieve orgasm on the drugs but that may be a natural side effect of age. (Or bad condoms).

[QUOTE=Tintin1;2724916]If you are sensitive to many drugs you will def get the side effects. Most of the guys I have talked to over the years say the same thing. Side effects generally decrease or go away with regukar use of the drug. 2) many of the more aggressive side effects are seen in generics that are bought in poorly regulated countries. 3) with ciallis there is less doubt in your head about how long the clock has been ticking. (Basically the same side effect you get when a girl says to you. You don't have much time left. You should hurry up and cum. I mean "that always works well!

I do know a couple guys who say that it takes longer to achieve orgasm on the drugs but that may be a natural side effect of age. (Or bad condoms).[/QUOTE]Of course everyone could react differently. I do find the side effects with Cialis to be almost non existent. I def get flushing with Viagra. Tho it's not too bad. I think it def does make it harder to cum, even ignoring the effects of age. Of course this isn't always a bad thing. My current girl (Seeking) is a bit of a nympho and she didn't seem to mind when we fucked for forty minutes nonstop last week and she just kept waves crashing nearly continuously. LOL.

Oh and it can make your eyes demon red. Not very attractive. Lumify eye drops are a god send.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2724918]Of course everyone could react differently. I do find the side effects with Cialis to be almost non existent. I def get flushing with Viagra. Tho it's not too bad. I think it def does make it harder to cum, even ignoring the effects of age. Of course this isn't always a bad thing. My current girl (Seeking) is a bit of a nympho and she didn't seem to mind when we fucked for forty minutes nonstop last week and she just kept waves crashing nearly continuously. LOL.

Oh and it can make your eyes demo red. Not very attractive. Lumify eye drops are a god send.[/QUOTE]The other thing to think about is alcohol. I like to have a drink every now and then. So, I would want one where I could drink if I want to.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2724918]Of course everyone could react differently. I do find the side effects with Cialis to be almost non existent. I def get flushing with Viagra. Tho it's not too bad. I think it def does make it harder to cum, even ignoring the effects of age. Of course this isn't always a bad thing. My current girl (Seeking) is a bit of a nympho and she didn't seem to mind when we fucked for forty minutes nonstop last week and she just kept waves crashing nearly continuously. LOL.

Oh and it can make your eyes demon red. Not very attractive. Lumify eye drops are a god send.[/QUOTE]Red eyes and mongers goes together LOL! For me, I get flushing and mild head aches and red eyes with cialis, but levitra I never have none of that, but for both pill, I cut them in half still!

I never tried viagra, but heard it is the strongest, but shortest efficacy time of all!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2724756]Well, here is a nice summary. They all seem to have known side effects that I don't like ot want. What am I going to do when I can't get a boner for those pretty "Romies" and "Garotas" anymore! Sigh!

[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/316355[/URL][/QUOTE]This vision loss is scary side effect! But it is also apparently good for artery health! I guess excess use is bad for vision and low dose use is good for artery I guess?

[QUOTE=Tintin1;2724916] when a girl says to you. You don't have much time left. You should hurry up and cum. (Or bad condoms).[/QUOTE]In FKK if that happen, that is the moment you fuck her harder doggy style and shout back oh no problem baby I buy you more time, I buy you LOL! LOL!

[QUOTE=Shark16;2724321]
It is worth noting that the pill only makes your dick harder and thus more sensitive. It does not make you climax harder. You still need to be turned on. A skilled goodlooking working girl help.[/QUOTE]But you can use bulgarian tribulus terrensis in order to extended your orgasm. I once had one lasting 50 seconds. Yes, the girl gave me a weired look towards the end. LOL! I never had one under 30 seconds when I was using it a couple of years ago.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2724977]But you can use bulgarian tribulus terrensis in order to extended your orgasm. I once had one lasting 50 seconds. Yes, the girl gave me a weired look towards the end. LOL! I never had one under 30 seconds when I was using it a couple of years ago.[/QUOTE]Body builders take that and it is not good for you, pde 5 blockers are better for your health beside this vision loss thing that is very rare!

Dang! You guys are willing to put up with all kinds of stuff to get some pussy! Vision loss? Uh, "fuck" that! So to speak LOL! I guess everyone is going to be impacted differently. I saw some had no side effects with certain drugs while others did. I'll stop fucking before I inflict vision loss upon myself! Believe this.

Hello everyone,

I'm planning going few days to any city of Germany, do not care which one really and one of the things I would like to try are FKK.

Can anyone recommend me top ones?

I mean. Like gorgeous girls, nice facilities, decent rates without extras, no cheating and close to the city (or at least a good public transport connection). A good experience in resume hehe.

I'm no expert and I heard that things are no so great like before because politics, covid, etc. And there is so much crossed info I'm a bit confused.

Thank you very much!

[QUOTE=Yosoyaquel;2725230]Hello everyone,

I'm planning going few days to any city of Germany, do not care which one really and one of the things I would like to try are FKK.

Can anyone recommend me top ones?

I mean. Like gorgeous girls, nice facilities, decent rates without extras, no cheating and close to the city (or at least a good public transport connection). A good experience in resume hehe.

I'm no expert and I heard that things are no so great like before because politics, covid, etc. And there is so much crossed info I'm a bit confused.

Thank you very much![/QUOTE]No really high level clubs on this year, I would advice you Acapulco Gold close to Dusseldorf airport, Penelope in Rhur and Samya in Koln. For Gold, you can go on day, best days between Thursday and Sunday. For Samya and Penelope, better on evening.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2725078]Dang! You guys are willing to put up with all kinds of stuff to get some pussy! Vision loss? Uh, "fuck" that! So to speak LOL! I guess everyone is going to be impacted differently. I saw some had no side effects with certain drugs while others did. I'll stop fucking before I inflict vision loss upon myself! Believe this.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but it is over hyped side effect, if there really are many vision loss, they would be sued for billions especially in USA and most are US companies LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2725078]Dang! You guys are willing to put up with all kinds of stuff to get some pussy! Vision loss? Uh, "fuck" that! So to speak LOL! I guess everyone is going to be impacted differently. I saw some had no side effects with certain drugs while others did. I'll stop fucking before I inflict vision loss upon myself! Believe this.[/QUOTE]P.S: and hey, don't tell me you got vaccinated for covid 19 as that was real poison done quickly and only security you have is politician saying, it is safe, please shoot yourself up LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2725078]Dang! You guys are willing to put up with all kinds of stuff to get some pussy! Vision loss? Uh, "fuck" that! So to speak LOL! I guess everyone is going to be impacted differently. I saw some had no side effects with certain drugs while others did. I'll stop fucking before I inflict vision loss upon myself! Believe this.[/QUOTE]When I go on week days to escorts, so happy wow Russian Victoria is back, kissing me all along, and week ends in FKK land, with my sports giving me high blood pressure from strong heart, In my 50's I can be hard for hours without pills, this since 10 years in business, when my 20th Summer sporty tour and wish to improve my records in my beloved mountains. Looking forward 7 August from Aosta up to 2424 high.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2725327]P.S: and hey, don't tell me you got vaccinated for covid 19 as that was real poison done quickly and only security you have is politician saying, it is safe, please shoot yourself up LOL![/QUOTE]And boostered too! After all, that was better than death or denial at the port of entry. And vision still good haha!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2725078]Dang! You guys are willing to put up with all kinds of stuff to get some pussy! Vision loss? Uh, "fuck" that! So to speak LOL! I guess everyone is going to be impacted differently. I saw some had no side effects with certain drugs while others did. I'll stop fucking before I inflict vision loss upon myself! Believe this.[/QUOTE]I sometimes wonder about the old age alternative of masterbating with a flaccid penis. I really don't know how that plays out. I don't think you can voluntarily just not have sex until you are really old at least. I am pretty sure people take some moderate risk to get a nut. That seems like a bigger question that how do you get your tenth nut in a week.

[QUOTE=YosoYaquel;2725230]Hello everyone,

I'm planning going few days to any city of Germany, do not care which one really and one of the things I would like to try are FKK.

Can anyone recommend me top ones?

I mean. Like gorgeous girls, nice facilities, decent rates without extras, no cheating and close to the city (or at least a good public transport connection). A good experience in resume hehe.

I'm no expert and I heard that things are no so great like before because politics, covid, etc. And there is so much crossed info I'm a bit confused.

Thank you very much![/QUOTE]As Sirioja said in Cologne you have Samya that is good (only after 18 h, before it's dead), and for Dusseldorf you have Acapulco Gold (the least expensive of all the good clubs I think).

For Dusseldorf I would add Magnum (same than Samya after 18 h only).

Near Aachen you have Sixsens that is also very good (in Netherlands but exactly the same type of saunaclub).

Bigger you have Artemis in Berlin (more expensive).

Still bigger you have Sharks near Francfort (the most expensive).

Hanover has mandated cold showers to save gas.

Gas costs will cost the average German 500 euros in increased cost per year.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62335911[/URL]

[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2725504]As Sirioja said in Cologne you have Samya that is good (only after 18 h, before it's dead), and for Dusseldorf you have Acapulco Gold (the least expensive of all the good clubs I think).

For Dusseldorf I would add Magnum (same than Samya after 18 h only).

Near Aachen you have Sixsens that is also very good (in Netherlands but exactly the same type of saunaclub).

Bigger you have Artemis in Berlin (more expensive).

Still bigger you have Sharks near Francfort (the most expensive).[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, 6 ens, same like Sharks, is not at best at the moment and now upselling there. I would not advice Magnum to others than Turkish.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2725511]Hanover has mandated cold showers to save gas.

Gas costs will cost the average German 500 euros in increased cost per year.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62335911[/URL][/QUOTE]The result of stupid german politicians trusting russians and so called former communist, but still really are communist ideology red nations LOL! Plus, the result of doing this fake ecology policy LOL!

[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2725504]As Sirioja said in Cologne you have Samya that is good (only after 18 h, before it's dead), and for Dusseldorf you have Acapulco Gold (the least expensive of all the good clubs I think).

For Dusseldorf I would add Magnum (same than Samya after 18 h only).

Near Aachen you have Sixsens that is also very good (in Netherlands but exactly the same type of saunaclub).

Bigger you have Artemis in Berlin (more expensive).

Still bigger you have Sharks near Francfort (the most expensive).[/QUOTE]Oh so Samya and Magnum is after 6 pm clubs? How are the line up there because I am well now I was not happy with the line up level of golden time and living room, there were almost zero stunners there! Just young, but ugly!

Acapulco gold maybe cheap, so I imagine line up to be limited right?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2725477]And boostered too! After all, that was better than death or denial at the port of entry. And vision still good haha![/QUOTE]Right, in USA, the condition of corona was different, so it could have been life or death at the beginning!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2725511]Hanover has mandated cold showers to save gas.

Gas costs will cost the average German 500 euros in increased cost per year.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62335911[/URL][/QUOTE]P.S.: If it is 500 euro per year per person, German fed can easily give subsidy of 500 Euro! At least now, hopefully European learnt that red states cannot be trusted even though they look white!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2725629]Oh so Samya and Magnum is after 6 pm clubs? How are the line up there because I am well now I was not happy with the line up level of golden time and living room, there were almost zero stunners there! Just young, but ugly!

Acapulco gold maybe cheap, so I imagine line up to be limited right?[/QUOTE]Acapulco Gold for 40/30 have few better looks than at Globe for 150/30 . Only Swiss think expensive mean good, when I prefer Gold on this year. Also better rooms when entry is 30 versus 95 at Globe. Gold is also higher level for looks than Sharks on 2022 .

[QUOTE=MrHo;2725629]Oh so Samya and Magnum is after 6 pm clubs? How are the line up there because I am well now I was not happy with the line up level of golden time and living room, there were almost zero stunners there! Just young, but ugly!

Acapulco gold maybe cheap, so I imagine line up to be limited right?[/QUOTE]Magnum is the worst: it opens at 3 pm and close at 7 am Friday and Saturday. And even at 6 pm you will not have the full line-up, but you can use the facilities of the club that are great.

Samya opens at 11 am but I was there once for the opening a Saturday and it was pure horror: 4-5 girls, not the prettiest (to put it the most gently possible), without makeup! At 3 pm you start to have more girls but the full line-up is not there before 6-7 pm. And at Samya the facilities are pure shit so you really have nothing to do when you are not in the bar or a room with a girl.

For Acapulco Gold the line-up is quite good: around 40/50 girls on weekend and there is some stunner. But it's really a low cost club: the facilities like the food are very limited, and it seems that some girls are pushing the "optifuck" to the limit where the short session is 15-20 minutes only. But for the 1 h session my friends that go there regularly are saying that it's still the best ratio price / quality.

If that ratio is not your concern and you are onyl interested by the quality, Sharks is still the best bet.

[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2725743]Magnum is the worst: it opens at 3 pm and close at 7 am Friday and Saturday. And even at 6 pm you will not have the full line-up, but you can use the facilities of the club that are great.

Samya opens at 11 am but I was there once for the opening a Saturday and it was pure horror: 4-5 girls, not the prettiest (to put it the most gently possible), without makeup! At 3 pm you start to have more girls but the full line-up is not there before 6-7 pm. And at Samya the facilities are pure shit so you really have nothing to do when you are not in the bar or a room with a girl.

For Acapulco Gold the line-up is quite good: around 40/50 girls on weekend and there is some stunner. But it's really a low cost club: the facilities like the food are very limited, and it seems that some girls are pushing the "optifuck" to the limit where the short session is 15-20 minutes only. But for the 1 h session my friends that go there regularly are saying that it's still the best ratio price / quality.

If that ratio is not your concern and you are onyl interested by the quality, Sharks is still the best bet.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the very straight forward and detailed answer man, sharks never worked for me after like 10 try so I quit years ago, but I recently hear good things so I may try again!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2725639]P.S.: If it is 500 euro per year per person, German fed can easily give subsidy of 500 Euro! At least now, hopefully European learnt that red states cannot be trusted even though they look white![/QUOTE]The government should give 550 euros so the extra 50 can be used in FKK!

[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2725743]Magnum is the worst: it opens at 3 pm and close at 7 am Friday and Saturday. And even at 6 pm you will not have the full line-up, but you can use the facilities of the club that are great.

Samya opens at 11 am but I was there once for the opening a Saturday and it was pure horror: 4-5 girls, not the prettiest (to put it the most gently possible), without makeup! At 3 pm you start to have more girls but the full line-up is not there before 6-7 pm. And at Samya the facilities are pure shit so you really have nothing to do when you are not in the bar or a room with a girl.

For Acapulco Gold the line-up is quite good: around 40/50 girls on weekend and there is some stunner. But it's really a low cost club: the facilities like the food are very limited, and it seems that some girls are pushing the "optifuck" to the limit where the short session is 15-20 minutes only. But for the 1 h session my friends that go there regularly are saying that it's still the best ratio price / quality.

If that ratio is not your concern and you are onyl interested by the quality, Sharks is still the best bet.[/QUOTE]For the club I agree, but how can be quality when real lack of beauties on this year at Sharks, same than at Globe since a while. I see prettier at cheap Gold or Ukrainian Lana at Mainhattan.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2726010]The government should give 550 euros so the extra 50 can be used in FKK![/QUOTE]Right, to help those who suffering by the Ukrainian crisis LOL! Which is actually quite real as pandemic followed by this barbaric act left so many people in poor conditions financially! So we monger can play our part to benefit us and also support them in return! Very true!

It is so sick the situation! I saw for the first time the Ukrainian soldiers penis being cut off alive before being shot in the head! This kind of barbaric act is only possible by the education and the culture of former communist nations! How brutal is this! And the world just are watching! We need strong USA again! Or NATO be much more stronger!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2726338]Right, to help those who suffering by the Ukrainian crisis LOL! Which is actually quite real as pandemic followed by this barbaric act left so many people in poor conditions financially! So we monger can play our part to benefit us and also support them in return! Very true!

It is so sick the situation! I saw for the first time the Ukrainian soldiers penis being cut off alive before being shot in the head! This kind of barbaric act is only possible by the education and the culture of former communist nations! How brutal is this! And the world just are watching! We need strong USA again! Or NATO be much more stronger![/QUOTE]President Z should unconditionally surrender since the penis destruction is not worth the price of freedom.

[URL]https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/russia-soldier-tells-mum-cutting-26876504[/URL]

I want to visit Europe for the first time this winter around 12/18 - 12/24 for about one week. I was thinking about going to Germany to try some FKK clubs and also do tourist things. Is Frankfurt the best place for a newbie? I am looking to keep costs down and hook up with beautiful young ladies LOL. What do you guys recommend?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2726338]Right, to help those who suffering by the Ukrainian crisis LOL! Which is actually quite real as pandemic followed by this barbaric act left so many people in poor conditions financially! So we monger can play our part to benefit us and also support them in return! Very true!

It is so sick the situation! I saw for the first time the Ukrainian soldiers penis being cut off alive before being shot in the head! This kind of barbaric act is only possible by the education and the culture of former communist nations! How brutal is this! And the world just are watching! We need strong USA again! Or NATO be much more stronger![/QUOTE]Its war acts, though when you see stuff like that, the chances are over 50% that its propaganda. Ofcourse faking someone getting his penis cut off is not the easiest, but still you cannot rule it out. Just because the production value looks bad doesn't mean it is bad.

We do need a strong NATO though mainly due to the threat posed by China, though its all a computer hardware war as I see it. Taiwan would never be an issue if it hadn't been for TSMC. If changes happen in the tech industry, then we will also see geopolitical changes. Personally I don't buy any public war stories. I truly believe that the leaders of USA, EU, Russia, China etc all collaborate. If they don't, then they are dumber than any trailer trash living in a Florida seaside tincan. But for sometimes good reason. Sometimes bad reasons. I suppose leaders change, though that is more of a generational thing than a 4 or 5 year election thing. But take the computer hardware issue at the forefront in the Taiwan / China case, then we (as labelled out by wef) see that as a response due to this tech war, investments into computer tech is multiplied in every country. Not just in USA and China, but also in Japan, Europe and South Korea. And probably in smaller players like Thailand and India also. So the threat, and possible war is spearheading a future boost in computer hardware across the globe. We saw the same in WW1 and WW2 where wars essentially caused mass investments into new technologies like the aircrafts (ww1) and missiles used for satellites (ww2). Now the tech war with China is being used in order to boost our global tech by 1 million fold in compute power (based on cost per compute unit) as opposed to the mere 50 or 100 fold laid out by IMEC (2036 roadmap 2 years ago) in what is basically tech we already can make, but are still on the drawing board of, and will be released slowly due to economic issues, both selfish and investment based. Plus it all requires alot of labor. Though China again and again are showing us how easy one can skip steps, and fast track new hardware technology releases by 2 x or 3 x if one really wants to. Where making money from a slow realease pace is not an issue, and where the Elon Musk reckless enterprising mentality is at the forefront.

This whole slow release pace (I blame Moore and his law for this) is part of why we need a tech war even if we don't have to kill millions at the same time. Because if WEF is going to have their wet dream of a real life Matrix simulation up and running with brains in a jar technology and Altered Carbon downloadable personalities by the time our current world leaders die, then we have to speed up the technology pace by a whole lot. 1 million X by Moore's law in GPU compute power takes about 42 years. Lets say we only really need 250 k x improvements as my figures are dated now, at todays rate we might get there by 2060. But then people in power today will be all gone, and that's not fun. I will be an old man as well. But spearhead it through a cold war with China, and we can reduce that time from 42 or 40 years, down to maybe just 20 years.

With Russia I think it is just a matter of redrawing the old communist / capitalist lines due to the rise of China. So the old russian lead communist block being the outlier that it is, should mostly join the west now. Though the standard split technique might be used as well (which is retarded imo). I've heard so many other explanation, and I don't buy into any of them.

The biggest problem capitalism has in any case is more related to imploding demographics. And that is possibly the biggest problem we have both in Japan and Europe now in 2022. Not a war in Ukraine, or in Taiwan, but the fact that people are not having babies.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2726543]President Z should unconditionally surrender since the penis destruction is not worth the price of freedom.

[URL]https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/russia-soldier-tells-mum-cutting-26876504[/URL][/QUOTE]If I read just articles, it is one thing, but there are videos of some of the tortures that are real and man! It is 2021 we are living and not 1940's? Some nations are so behind in the head and mind! Not just their technology or the quality of life!

It should be good reminder to G7 that G7 plus some normal head nations like non G7 EU nations, Australia, New zealand should stick together and leave the rest down there as they will never be able to develop without G7 !

[QUOTE=Pistons;2726695]The biggest problem capitalism has in any case is more related to imploding demographics. And that is possibly the biggest problem we have both in Japan and Europe now in 2022. Not a war in Ukraine, or in Taiwan, but the fact that people are not having babies.[/QUOTE]We in G7 nations and developed nations became too informed, so obviously why marry if you are not too into having children! And we got to know the reality of marriage and also having kid, it ain't Hollywood movie LOL!

We mongers are lucky bunch as we migrated to the land of escort and FKK where it is all there to serve us men, there ain't feminism here LOL!

[QUOTE=Maxutil;2726685]I want to visit Europe for the first time this winter around 12/18 - 12/24 for about one week. I was thinking about going to Germany to try some FKK clubs and also do tourist things. Is Frankfurt the best place for a newbie? I am looking to keep costs down and hook up with beautiful young ladies LOL. What do you guys recommend?[/QUOTE]Around Christmas, not best time for FKK when most of best girls return home. At this time, Swiss ZH should be better, even more expensive. At this time, I wish for better snow than on previous, for better Christmas.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2726699]If I read just articles, it is one thing, but there are videos of some of the tortures that are real and man! It is 2021 we are living and not 1940's? Some nations are so behind in the head and mind! Not just their technology or the quality of life!

It should be good reminder to G7 that G7 plus some normal head nations like non G7 EU nations, Australia, New zealand should stick together and leave the rest down there as they will never be able to develop without G7 ![/QUOTE]I found the video on a search but I couldn't bring myself to watch the video because didn't want post traumatic stress syndrome or psychological damage due to watching same.

Hi,

I live near the frontier with German (Wroclaw, Poland) And I was thinking on trying one FKK I heard that there are some clubs where the BBBJ is included any recommendation regarding this? I was planning to go to Artemis as I heard a lot of good reviews in this forum.

Thank you all!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2726908]I found the video on a search but I couldn't bring myself to watch the video because didn't want post traumatic stress syndrome or psychological damage due to watching same.[/QUOTE]Yeah, this one was very graphic, I hate horror movies, but I do watch all the real things going on, so it make me aware of what really going on! I tend to like the truth, so that is why I arrive to mongering as ultimate sex life for men rather than marriage etc, and for watching these videos, yes I am bit traumatize as that graphic stay with me for life, but I watch it, so I know what war really is instead of bullshit Hollywood movies! War is not good thing! Not heroic at all!

Most of these video like beheading of white guys by Arab terrorists etc are graphic, but a lot are bad quality, but this Russian soldier cutting penis off Ukrainian soldier alive before shooting him in the head was very good quality graphic taken by smartphone it looks like, so don't watch it unless you want to see what really is going go in this messed up world!

Meanwhile we mongers focus on peace and love making via power of US dollar as weapon that is backing all the capitalism and all the reason for all events in this world including this war in Ukraine!

I hope Taiwan won't be next!

[QUOTE=Ppalotes;2727084]Hi,

I live near the frontier with German (Wroclaw, Poland) And I was thinking on trying one FKK I heard that there are some clubs where the BBBJ is included any recommendation regarding this? I was planning to go to Artemis as I heard a lot of good reviews in this forum.

Thank you all![/QUOTE]Sure. Artemis has nice facilities and you can def get a BBBJ. You can go read that specific forum for recent reports including mine. Expect 90€ entry and 90€ for a half hour including BBBJ. (70 standard covered + 20 BBBJ).

[QUOTE=Ppalotes;2727084]Hi,

I live near the frontier with German (Wroclaw, Poland) And I was thinking on trying one FKK I heard that there are some clubs where the BBBJ is included any recommendation regarding this? I was planning to go to Artemis as I heard a lot of good reviews in this forum.

Thank you all![/QUOTE]There used to be many of your fellow beautiful Polish girls in Artemis back in early 2010's, but it is much less now unfortunately, but you maybe lucky to meet that girl you saw that you would love to bang LOL!

However, given this situation in Ukraine and Poland suffered from the situation, we mongers may be lucky enough to experience the return of blonde polish beauties once again in FKK industry for us to fuck again LOL!

I have recently moved to Netherlands staying in Rotterdam. I am looking for my first FKK experience, there are a few clubs near the Netherlands borders in Dusseldorf and koln which I can try. I was just wondering if someone can suggest which one would be best for a newbie. Also not sure on the do's and don'ts. I hope there is no issue for asian ethnicity when it comes to entry to clubs.

[QUOTE=Jaggs;2727268]I have recently moved to Netherlands staying in Rotterdam. I am looking for my first FKK experience, there are a few clubs near the Netherlands borders in Dusseldorf and koln which I can try. I was just wondering if someone can suggest which one would be best for a newbie. Also not sure on the do's and don'ts. I hope there is no issue for asian ethnicity when it comes to entry to clubs.[/QUOTE]Just go the red light district in the window system for 50 euros for a quick visit no entry charge plus more walking aerobic exercise or bicycling in order to increase the oxygen concentration in your blood and get a powerful sex drive.

[QUOTE=Jaggs;2727268]I have recently moved to Netherlands staying in Rotterdam. I am looking for my first FKK experience, there are a few clubs near the Netherlands borders in Dusseldorf and koln which I can try. I was just wondering if someone can suggest which one would be best for a newbie. Also not sure on the do's and don'ts. I hope there is no issue for asian ethnicity when it comes to entry to clubs.[/QUOTE]Asians are welcome and furthermore by girls. There are beautiful NL WGs in NL, I really enjoyed supermodel Floor. NL. I plan to return for another NL. Some NL clubs like 6 ens and some German clubs not far from border like Samya Koln or sauna club Venus or around Dusseldorf.

Staying one night in Frankfurt this Sunday. I tried to read this forum but got kinda mixed info. Some mentioned vacations, but Sharks girls already had theirs?

So, of the four big ones which would you recommend at this time? Sharks, Oase, Mainhattan or Palace? I have my own car and plan on visiting afternoon. Pool is big bonus, as is food quality. Just looking for a relaxing afternoon with a good view and some fun.

So far the general vibe seems to point towards Mainhattan, though Sharks seems interesting too.

[QUOTE=Jaggs;2727268]I have recently moved to Netherlands staying in Rotterdam. I am looking for my first FKK experience, there are a few clubs near the Netherlands borders in Dusseldorf and koln which I can try. I was just wondering if someone can suggest which one would be best for a newbie. Also not sure on the do's and don'ts. I hope there is no issue for asian ethnicity when it comes to entry to clubs.[/QUOTE]Directly in Netherlands you have the Sixsens and it's quite good. The biggest club is this area: near Köln you have Samya, and near Dusseldorf Acapulco Gold and Magnum.

The do's: talk to the girl of the price and what you want before going to the room!

The don'ts: same that everywhere, don't be a dick.

As an Asian the only risk that you have is that some girls will try to upsell. Talk to the other customers about the standard price in the club.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2727274]Just go the red light district in the window system for 50 euros for a quick visit no entry charge plus more walking aerobic exercise or bicycling in order to increase the oxygen concentration in your blood and get a powerful sex drive.[/QUOTE]For sure, you are more powerful for sex after sport making heart working.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2726837]We in G7 nations and developed nations became too informed, so obviously why marry if you are not too into having children! And we got to know the reality of marriage and also having kid, it ain't Hollywood movie LOL!

We mongers are lucky bunch as we migrated to the land of escort and FKK where it is all there to serve us men, there ain't feminism here LOL![/QUOTE]Sure, but that was not my point. And I am not sure the broader family, as seen in more religious cults or sects around the world (they call it religion) is the answer either. But maybe cloning or full polygamy based society where the state train the kids in VR worlds from the get go.

[QUOTE=AzureDrake;2727335]Staying one night in Frankfurt this Sunday. I tried to read this forum but got kinda mixed info. Some mentioned vacations, but Sharks girls already had theirs?

So, of the four big ones which would you recommend at this time? Sharks, Oase, Mainhattan or Palace? I have my own car and plan on visiting afternoon. Pool is big bonus, as is food quality. Just looking for a relaxing afternoon with a good view and some fun.

So far the general vibe seems to point towards Mainhattan, though Sharks seems interesting too.[/QUOTE]Oase and Sharks have the pools, so you may like it there than others, as for girls I can't say as it is each their own, but pools, goto sharks or oase as both pool especially at sharks should be at its full swing during summer time as it is now!

[QUOTE=AzureDrake;2727335]Staying one night in Frankfurt this Sunday. I tried to read this forum but got kinda mixed info. Some mentioned vacations, but Sharks girls already had theirs?

So, of the four big ones which would you recommend at this time? Sharks, Oase, Mainhattan or Palace? I have my own car and plan on visiting afternoon. Pool is big bonus, as is food quality. Just looking for a relaxing afternoon with a good view and some fun.

So far the general vibe seems to point towards Mainhattan, though Sharks seems interesting too.[/QUOTE]On Sunday evening, only Sharks around Frankfurt, even not at best for looks on 2022 , but less worse than others on Sunday. Maybe around 40 girls, but for quality? And falling after midnight.

Hi,

I land in Frankfurt August 13th late night and will have a layover on Sunday. I was wondering what you guys think is the best club for a Sunday afternoon. My flight isn't until 10:50 pm so I want to spend a good majority of day at a FKK. Any suggestions or opinions help.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2727731]Hi,

I land in Frankfurt August 13th late night and will have a layover on Sunday. I was wondering what you guys think is the best club for a Sunday afternoon. My flight isn't until 10:50 pm so I want to spend a good majority of day at a FKK. Any suggestions or opinions help.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]It will be the Sharks without a doubt. It's the biggest and from / to the airport it's the closest.

During my pandemic in 2021 and 2022, I did 9 new young top stunner Eurasian girls here! But I am about to return fully to mongering soon LOL! The return of the monger LOL!

The news reports that Russia is now demanding a Russian FSB worker imprisoned by Germany in addition to the USA held Russian prisoner in order to return two American prisoners. Germany will have to cooperate in releasing him ASAP.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2728441]The news reports that Russia is now demanding a Russian FSB worker imprisoned by Germany in addition to the USA held Russian prisoner in order to return two American prisoners. Germany will have to cooperate in releasing him ASAP.[/QUOTE]The guy was a spy assasin I think, so not an ordinary germans and I think russia agreed for viktor about and wanted 2 from Germany not just 1 guy, well as usual, always dark thing going on with russia and China! What is it with these red nations always dark or grey thing LOL!!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2728441]The news reports that Russia is now demanding a Russian FSB worker imprisoned by Germany in addition to the USA held Russian prisoner in order to return two American prisoners. Germany will have to cooperate in releasing him ASAP.[/QUOTE]Germany should sell him versus a lot of gaz they will need in Winter, when dirty crazy paranoiac dictator Putin, the shame of beautiful Russia, is wishing for cold Winter to make suffering Europeans.

On a lovely warm day as it is today what's the best place to visit in theüsseldorf and the local surrounding area?

Would be lovely to have a pool With sunbathing ladies, Good food maybe a barbecue, Lovely Romanian girls, And most importantly topless women, A kink would be nice too.

Also reasonable 50430 prices would be nice.

(So basically a mix between living room and yin yang vibes).

Thank you.

On a warm day like today could anybody suggest a good venue to visit in theüsseldorf and local surrounding which has pool sunbathing ladies, BBQ, good food, lots of Romanian beauties which lots of topless and a kino.

Any suggestions are most welcome.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=BradfordRS6;2728745]On a lovely warm day as it is today what's the best place to visit in thesseldorf and the local surrounding area?

Would be lovely to have a pool With sunbathing ladies, Good food maybe a barbecue, Lovely Romanian girls, And most importantly topless women, A kink would be nice too.

Also reasonable 50430 prices would be nice.

(So basically a mix between living room and yin yang vibes).

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Upselling for kissing from many now at 6 sens NL, 1 hour driving, some not kissing like sexy Erika. Leaving NL border close to Antwerp, after discovering my second NL girl for 160/60 with real French kiss, BBBJ with CIM allowed, yesterday at 5.30 pm, speeding through Germany, following RS6 around Baden Baden when was slowed by traffic, he should switch off speed limit, but 14 degrees and rain in Gran San Bernardino. I knew when I passed just in front of Freubad. Ch, but when she gave me my same dream than on 26 April 2015 at World, virgin during all her holidays, shower at 11 am when she started, no shower to start our room but her bitter natural taste, give me orgasm I didn't have for 3 weeks she asked, so much convulsions, but she will have to wait for a while if I ever return. Images kill magic.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2728272]During my pandemic in 2021 and 2022, I did 9 new young top stunner Eurasian girls here! But I am about to return fully to mongering soon LOL! The return of the monger LOL![/QUOTE]Where do you find these eurasian girls? And are the accessible to foreigners? Or, are foreigners "denied entry" so to speak?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2728790]Upselling for kissing from many now at 6 sens NL, 1 hour driving, some not kissing like sexy Erika. Leaving NL border close to Antwerp, after discovering my second NL girl for 160/60 with real French kiss, BBBJ with CIM allowed, yesterday at 5.30 pm, speeding through Germany, following RS6 around Baden Baden when was slowed by traffic, he should switch off speed limit, but 14 degrees and rain in Gran San Bernardino. I knew when I passed just in front of Freubad. Ch, but when she gave me my same dream than on 26 April 2015 at World, virgin during all her holidays, shower at 11 am when she started, no shower to start our room but her bitter natural taste, give me orgasm I didn't have for 3 weeks she asked, so much convulsions, but she will have to wait for a while if I ever return. Images kill magic.[/QUOTE]So the unlimited speed stops at the Netherlands border. Don't ask me how I know that. (I got a photo radar ticket in the mail months after the fact.).

[QUOTE=MrHo;2728585]The guy was a spy assassin I think, so not an ordinary Germans and I think Russia agreed for viktor about and wanted 2 from Germany not just 1 guy, well as usual, always dark thing going on with Russia and China! What is it with these red nations always dark or grey thing LOL!![/QUOTE]Supposedly the FSB agent killed a Chechen. Well big deal who cares about Chechens anyway.

Point of Fact: The USA has about 3 times the per capita prison rate of Russia anyway and the prisoner is only being exchanged because she is a Democrat.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2728900]Supposedly the FSB agent killed a Chechen. Well big deal who cares about Chechens anyway.

Point of Fact: The USA has about 3 times the per capita prison rate of Russia anyway and the prisoner is only being exchanged because she is a Democrat.[/QUOTE]Viktor about is sell out and finished business, so beside the secrets he hold, he is not worth much and as for those russian businesses abroad of all this killing etc, most smart nations such as those in G7 do not want to deal with it and don't care, but have to care due to their backward culture and thinking stuck still in the year 1940's, their thinking stopped there!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2728853]Where do you find these eurasian girls? And are the accessible to foreigners? Or, are foreigners "denied entry" so to speak?[/QUOTE]I explained this before, but most of my activity here is done in delivery health and some times soap land! Mostly in delivery health which everything allowed but the intercourse, but I manage the way most of time and as for soap land all is allowed as you supposed to fall in love as man and woman during the bathing that the place is supposed to be for from legal stand point LOL!

Now as for foreigners, some delivery health and soap land allowed foreigners, but those are minority, this is because our domestic market being big enough that we do not need to cater the service to foreigners who has caused problems before and I mean look at for example Siri being here, he will cause a lot of problems on girls for being too nosy and crazy and on staffs too right, so FKK can handle him, but they won't tolerate as it is more sellers market for upper places!

And to find Eurasians here, it is hard task already even for me, 9 may sound a lot, but it is not because it is in the course of 2 years, so it is bit more than average and I must say though! After pandemic, I must say there are more stunners around here doing pro works on the side of whatever that they do in life, at least I feel that way! So it is quite good here and I am full back to mongering for few months now and ready to discover Europe soon too! It is good feeling to be back and feel free! I got one more to fuck this month and let see how it will be in Europe! Ura!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2728898]So the unlimited speed stops at the Netherlands border. Don't ask me how I know that. (I got a photo radar ticket in the mail months after the fact.).[/QUOTE]I drove through NL, Belgium, Germany and Switzerland. High speed is in Germany and also Italy after Gran San Bernardino or when I will return for Dolomiti. When car service was nearly 30000 kms ago, I really pushed to maximum power around Frechen before Koln, then before Dierdorf, then around Baden Baden following RS6 , stuck in her back as soon slowed by traffic and no oil asked by 630000 kms original but prepared engine since service, still so healthy. If no diesel rate explosion, incredible quality car when manual gearbox and even clutch are also original, even with nearly 50% more power. But French bioethanol is 2.5 less expensive and flexifuel with more than 400 P.S. V8 S5 will save planet and when exceptional pilot will make switching off speed limit as soon I will test engine, then bye bye RS6 limited only to 250. I will be much faster when he was only around 20 km / h faster than me. Eighth Summer through mountains together, when we are both quite light, when S5 will be so heavy with inerty, will have to cut straight curves on high speed and kick hard in brakes to slow weight very fast when lack of stamina for brakes which will burn if braking too long, how to make elegant noble engine beauty a race car, reason why no Stronic even more performing, but couldn't resist and same for engine, when I prefer to control engine in my way, not electronics made in Asia, and more sporty, but should suffer downhill mountains.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2728963]Viktor about is sell out and finished business, so beside the secrets he hold, he is not worth much and as for those Russian businesses abroad of all this killing etc, most smart nations such as those in G7 do not want to deal with it and don't care, but have to care due to their backward culture and thinking stuck still in the year 1940's, their thinking stopped there![/QUOTE]I wrote Viktor about, but admin changed it to Viktor About LOL! It is about, he is a known weapon dealer! Is this admin or AI not knowing and changed?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2728969]I explained this before, but most of my activity here is done in delivery health and some times soap land! Mostly in delivery health which everything allowed but the intercourse, but I manage the way most of time and as for soap land all is allowed as you supposed to fall in love as man and woman during the bathing that the place is supposed to be for from legal stand point LOL!

Now as for foreigners, some delivery health and soap land allowed foreigners, but those are minority, this is because our domestic market being big enough that we do not need to cater the service to foreigners who has caused problems before and I mean look at for example Siri being here, he will cause a lot of problems on girls for being too nosy and crazy and on staffs too right, so FKK can handle him, but they won't tolerate as it is more sellers market for upper places!

And to find Eurasians here, it is hard task already even for me, 9 may sound a lot, but it is not because it is in the course of 2 years, so it is bit more than average and I must say though! After pandemic, I must say there are more stunners around here doing pro works on the side of whatever that they do in life, at least I feel that way! So it is quite good here and I am full back to mongering for few months now and ready to discover Europe soon too! It is good feeling to be back and feel free! I got one more to fuck this month and let see how it will be in Europe! Ura![/QUOTE]Well one Delivery Health Service I saw online was quite clear with a [B]no Chinese[/B] declaration. So, no effort to be polite there and quite direct. The animosity between Japan and China remains palpable to this very day. I imagine that Japanese people might be met with some of the same hostility in China. In any event, nothing was said about other nationalities and ethnicities, so it made me wonder. Doesn't mean that other types of foreigners would be accepted. Probably just means that the Japanese would be nicer and / or less direct about it. But, I've never heard of "we already have a large enough domestic market" to support an industry to be a justification for discriminating against others. Usually in a business, you want to expand your market to make even more money. More money, more money, more money! Oh well. It is what it is (shrugs).

[QUOTE=MrHo;2728969]I explained this before, but most of my activity here is done in delivery health and some times soap land! Mostly in delivery health which everything allowed but the intercourse, but I manage the way most of time and as for soap land all is allowed as you supposed to fall in love as man and woman during the bathing that the place is supposed to be for from legal stand point LOL!

Now as for foreigners, some delivery health and soap land allowed foreigners, but those are minority, this is because our domestic market being big enough that we do not need to cater the service to foreigners who has caused problems before and I mean look at for example Siri being here, he will cause a lot of problems on girls for being too nosy and crazy and on staffs too right, so FKK can handle him, but they won't tolerate as it is more sellers market for upper places!

And to find Eurasians here, it is hard task already even for me, 9 may sound a lot, but it is not because it is in the course of 2 years, so it is bit more than average and I must say though! After pandemic, I must say there are more stunners around here doing pro works on the side of whatever that they do in life, at least I feel that way! So it is quite good here and I am full back to mongering for few months now and ready to discover Europe soon too! It is good feeling to be back and feel free! I got one more to fuck this month and let see how it will be in Europe! Ura![/QUOTE]Don't worry, I m not attracted at all by Japan nor Asian girls making little bird moanings, making me feel uncomfortable, worrying to hurt them with my caucasian size. But in FKK land and now even in NL where I discover different places, not RLD, NL superstar there will for sure welcome me after my 5 fingers deep inside her and she really french kiss on private, easy to know can get much more in private than public. When I extend my playfield between north Bern where best Summer club with all girls staying in garden from 11 am til night, where You eat in garden, not trying to see girls in dark lounge or room, to around Dortmund for love sex with my wow so lovely German, 200/120 for my standard now with her, to make swimming pool in bed, and now NL border close to Antwerp to discover NL real women, both in late 20's but really good for sex for 160/60 and CIM can be included. So, what can I need more? When 2022 is really high level for me. Just, when I will finish my Summer tour, to find the good V8 with manual gearbox S5 , to prepare flexifuel, speed limit off and 86 P.S. More, to save money powering french bioethanol smelling farm, to be faster in my playfield. I can put bicycle and ski in, when I could not in 964 the ultimate original engine with air refreshing and not on same performance for easy speed, so my life is as fine I can do it, I don't need more, even I preferred my past life without knowing FKK land. I get my very picky high level standard from my previous life with beautiful women. For sure, I would run to them at Globe or Aphrodisia, when they were so much more lightning shining with their smile.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2728900]Supposedly the FSB agent killed a Chechen. Well big deal who cares about Chechens anyway.

Point of Fact: The USA has about 3 times the per capita prison rate of Russia anyway and the prisoner is only being exchanged because she is a Democrat.[/QUOTE]Ramzan Kadyrov is one crazy guy! But chechen as well as russia is small nation, not even worth thinking about beside nuclear weapons and energy EU is stupid enough to relied on, but not for long!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2728900]Supposedly the FSB agent killed a Chechen. Well big deal who cares about Chechens anyway.

Point of Fact: The USA has about 3 times the per capita prison rate of Russia anyway and the prisoner is only being exchanged because she is a Democrat.[/QUOTE]A first time offender for marijuana possession does not see the inside of a jail cell in the USA . If it is illegal at all in the locality they may get a summons to appear for court then maybe some hours of community service for a clean record.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2729163]Well one Delivery Health Service I saw online was quite clear with a [B]no Chinese[/B] declaration. So, no effort to be polite there and quite direct. The animosity between Japan and China remains palpable to this very day. I imagine that Japanese people might be met with some of the same hostility in China. In any event, nothing was said about other nationalities and ethnicities, so it made me wonder. Doesn't mean that other types of foreigners would be accepted. Probably just means that the Japanese would be nicer and / or less direct about it. But, I've never heard of "we already have a large enough domestic market" to support an industry to be a justification for discriminating against others. Usually in a business, you want to expand your market to make even more money. More money, more money, more money! Oh well. It is what it is (shrugs).[/QUOTE]You mentioned about Japanese in general being polite in other thread, but it is about that, as you know Japanese are polite and well mannered, that is our general reputation, not all, but general, however, some nation has different behavior pattern and they are either too pushy or even rude and bad behaved, so in order to avoid bad behavior and resulting in top girls leaving the agency and also to just avoid the problems they do not need, they just clear out all foreigners or in the case you saw certain customer from certain nations, there is no other way of filtering, so that is how they did it and it is still very common in escort scene both high end and low ones!

I also know some Michelin starred restaurants avoided Chinese customer too not because of history etc, we do not care about that, it is their behavior like they talk too loud, try to bend the rule or manners, cancellation in last minutes and those places especially the top restaurants keep the seats only to max 8 seats most of the cases so the food quality is at top prepared only by head chef, so if 5 people cancel, their business ruined, so the rule here is if you cancel, you have to pay for it or how my friend do it is they look for other friend to go if you have to cancel and all top people around know that, but I imagine those places had so much problems and dirty thing with certain people from certain country and I guess that resulted in this! Peninsula had issue with that restaurant as they blocked peninsula hotel from booking with them and peninsula decided to cover the expense if the guest chooses to cancel! But those places are fully booked for few months in advance!

In those places, they do not want to expand, they want to keep the quality at top, for expanding business people can go to let say to the restaurant like Nobu, that is good place, but nothing compare to the places I mentioned above!

As for delivery health, top places want to focus on girls as they want to keep top girls, and again it is seller market and buyers market and we go there because they have top looking girls, so the customer service is there, but they choose the client, and it is so for many top places around the world actually!

At least, most or almost all FKK are open to all as it is more like girls are independent format, but if the girls are managed by the club, I believe some clients are turned back as well! Many places just want to avoid people who cause problems and spoil it for rest of us!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2729027]I wrote Viktor about, but admin changed it to Viktor About LOL! It is about, he is a known weapon dealer! Is this admin or AI not knowing and changed?[/QUOTE]Again amin changed it, it is about, not about, is this AI? Viktor about!

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2729414]A first time offender for marijuana possession does not see the inside of a jail cell in the USA . If it is illegal at all in the locality they may get a summons to appear for court then maybe some hours of community service for a clean record.[/QUOTE]In many states, it is legal now anyways! Lucky you, especially Colorado!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2729163]Well one Delivery Health Service I saw online was quite clear with a [B]no Chinese[/B] declaration. So, no effort to be polite there and quite direct. The animosity between Japan and China remains palpable to this very day. I imagine that Japanese people might be met with some of the same hostility in China. In any event, nothing was said about other nationalities and ethnicities, so it made me wonder. Doesn't mean that other types of foreigners would be accepted. Probably just means that the Japanese would be nicer and / or less direct about it. But, I've never heard of "we already have a large enough domestic market" to support an industry to be a justification for discriminating against others. Usually in a business, you want to expand your market to make even more money. More money, more money, more money! Oh well. It is what it is (shrugs).[/QUOTE]Perhaps this is actually saying the girls themselves are not Chinese but rather local Japanese? I know lower end places have Chinese / Thai / filipinas / etc.

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2729448]Perhaps this is actually saying the girls themselves are not Chinese but rather local Japanese? I know lower end places have Chinese / Thai / Filipinos / etc.[/QUOTE]It was pretty clear to me that Chinese customers were not welcomed by that particular delivery health service given the way it was written, including in bold at that. I would imagine it's the same at others, although they may not be so bold as to say it outright on their website. Japan is well-known for these kind of discriminatory attitudes and behaviors towards outsiders.

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2729448]Perhaps this is actually saying the girls themselves are not Chinese but rather local Japanese? I know lower end places have Chinese / Thai / filipinas / etc.[/QUOTE]Yes, they are Japanese and what I only focus on are Eurasians only (Half Japanese and Half white) which are still harder to find due to our limited immigration policy that is changing due to decrease in population!

Some real low place have chinese and filipina yes, but it is similar both in Europe and USA etc.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2729414]A first time offender for marijuana possession does not see the inside of a jail cell in the USA . If it is illegal at all in the locality they may get a summons to appear for court then maybe some hours of community service for a clean record.[/QUOTE]They most certainly will in some states. There is a two tiered system of justice in the USA. One for the rich and powerful basketball players who use drugs and another for the poor and oppressed.

The bail set will even if $50 will keep poor people in jail. They will then get a terrible defense attorney who never works on their case and possibly given probation fees and fines. When they don't pay the fines and fees they will be issued another arrest warrant for failure to pay and put in jail some more possibly longer than the original maximum prison sentence. Some jurisdictions will also bill on a per day charge for each day in jail for people who failed to pay fines and fees. And then when they get out they will have all their items removed from their home (assuming they weren't homeless) since they will have been evicted and will have to beg for money to buy a $20 tent from Walmart.

Maybe a foreigner can sue in Japan if denied service?

I believe an aggrieved hobbyist would be able to sue for damages under the 1947 Japanese Constitution Chapter III, Article 14 which states, in pertinent part:

Article 14. All of the people are equal under the law and there shall be no discrimination in political, economic or social relations because of race, creed, sex, social status or family origin.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2729428]You mentioned about Japanese in general being polite in other thread, but it is about that, as you know Japanese are polite and well mannered, that is our general reputation, not all, but general, however, some nation has different behavior pattern and they are either too pushy or even rude and bad behaved, so in order to avoid bad behavior and resulting in top girls leaving the agency and also to just avoid the problems they do not need, they just clear out all foreigners or in the case you saw certain customer from certain nations, there is no other way of filtering, so that is how they did it and it is still very common in escort scene both high end and low ones!

I also know some Michelin starred restaurants avoided Chinese customer too not because of history etc, we do not care about that, it is their behavior like they talk too loud, try to bend the rule or manners, cancellation in last minutes and those places especially the top restaurants keep the seats only to max 8 seats most of the cases so the food quality is at top prepared only by head chef, so if 5 people cancel, their business ruined, so the rule here is if you cancel, you have to pay for it or how my friend do it is they look for other friend to go if you have to cancel and all top people around know that, but I imagine those places had so much problems and dirty thing with certain people from certain country and I guess that resulted in this! Peninsula had issue with that restaurant as they blocked peninsula hotel from booking with them and peninsula decided to cover the expense if the guest chooses to cancel! But those places are fully booked for few months in advance!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2729453]It was pretty clear to me that Chinese customers were not welcomed by that particular delivery health service given the way it was written, including in bold at that. I would imagine it's the same at others, although they may not be so bold as to say it outright on their website. Japan is well-known for these kind of discriminatory attitudes and behaviors towards outsiders.[/QUOTE]We are known to be most polite and well mannered, this is true, but we do have such culture toward insider too among ourselves, we are not big island nation for nothing, the island mentality LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2729563]They most certainly will in some states. There is a two tiered system of justice in the USA. One for the rich and powerful basketball players who use drugs and another for the poor and oppressed.

The bail set will even if $50 will keep poor people in jail. They will then get a terrible defense attorney who never works on their case and possibly given probation fees and fines. When they don't pay the fines and fees they will be issued another arrest warrant for failure to pay and put in jail some more possibly longer than the original maximum prison sentence. Some jurisdictions will also bill on a per day charge for each day in jail for people who failed to pay fines and fees. And then when they get out they will have all their items removed from their home (assuming they weren't homeless) since they will have been evicted and will have to beg for money to buy a $20 tent from Walmart.[/QUOTE]My comment refers to a person who has no criminal record caught with a small amount of marijuanna. They do not get eight years in prison. I am not saying your facts are not correct but my statements are true. A person in possession of marijuanna like I mentioned would only be detained long enough to determine their background and be brought before a bail official to be released. Many of them get a summons by the arresting officer on the spot. I don't doubt your incarceration figure either but this seems to be an example of someone getting eight years for a vape pen. If the incarceration figures are correct and the sentences are so severe it indicates inconsistency which would be a bad trade off. I'm just pointing out the irony of one of your statements.

Bruggen decided to put stickers on phones because of Asians taking photos or videos in garden. Asians like so much to report to girls about us.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2729628]Maybe a foreigner can sue in Japan if denied service?

I believe an aggrieved hobbyist would be able to sue for damages under the 1947 Japanese Constitution Chapter III, Article 14 which states, in pertinent part:

Article 14. All of the people are equal under the law and there shall be no discrimination in political, economic or social relations because of race, creed, sex, social status or family origin.[/QUOTE]Well, to add, it is also to do with regulation, Japan is highly regulated nation which has good and bad, good is that we have the top quality for all things here as it is strictly regulated and controlled, you need federal license to do any businesses almost here LOL The bad part is that if something happen, the government can easily intervene, so since mongering is bit grey here and illegal, the delivery health and soap land industry are scared to come across insane customer who make problems out of nothing and go to the fed, so they just avoid them upfront to alleviate the problems they do not need, well like everything, it has pros and cons!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2729563]They most certainly will in some states. There is a two tiered system of justice in the USA. One for the rich and powerful basketball players who use drugs and another for the poor and oppressed.

The bail set will even if $50 will keep poor people in jail. They will then get a terrible defense attorney who never works on their case and possibly given probation fees and fines. When they don't pay the fines and fees they will be issued another arrest warrant for failure to pay and put in jail some more possibly longer than the original maximum prison sentence. Some jurisdictions will also bill on a per day charge for each day in jail for people who failed to pay fines and fees. And then when they get out they will have all their items removed from their home (assuming they weren't homeless) since they will have been evicted and will have to beg for money to buy a $20 tent from Walmart.[/QUOTE]Would you say USA is that unfair nation? One can use good lawyer sure, but that is it no? You cannot bribe your way out of the system in USA? Here, you cannot, maximum you can do is to get good lawyer and that is it! Whether you are rich or poor, you will be judged based on law, I presume it is similar in USA no?

Try going to Russia, you get 9 years! Poor US basketball girl!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2729563]They most certainly will in some states. There is a two tiered system of justice in the USA. One for the rich and powerful basketball players who use drugs and another for the poor and oppressed.

The bail set will even if $50 will keep poor people in jail. They will then get a terrible defense attorney who never works on their case and possibly given probation fees and fines. When they don't pay the fines and fees they will be issued another arrest warrant for failure to pay and put in jail some more possibly longer than the original maximum prison sentence. Some jurisdictions will also bill on a per day charge for each day in jail for people who failed to pay fines and fees. And then when they get out they will have all their items removed from their home (assuming they weren't homeless) since they will have been evicted and will have to beg for money to buy a $20 tent from Walmart.[/QUOTE]It is interesting to me that what you wrote could have come straight out of a first year handbook or textbook of a first year legal professional. It is like you are quoting our own propaganda. I do realize that the criminal justice field is world wide. The common person in the USA is clueless about what you wrote. They are all upset if someone gets out of jail awaiting trial without a cash bail. You can listen to the news about that. But, what you wrote is straight out of handbooks and textbooks.

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[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2729801]It is interesting to me that what you wrote could have come straight out of a first year handbook or textbook of a first year legal professional. It is like you are quoting our own propaganda. I do realize that the criminal justice field is world wide. The common person in the USA is clueless about what you wrote. They are all upset if someone gets out of jail awaiting trial without a cash bail. You can listen to the news about that. But, what you wrote is straight out of handbooks and textbooks.[/QUOTE]Well look at Michael be. Case from Ferguson, Missouri. The criminal shot by police was needing to be shot by probably any normal citizen who he came in contact with, but the government takes guns away from law abiding people and thus leaving a monopoly on executions to government.

However, aside for how terrible Michael be. Was a knucklehead, the fact that he stole from a big corporation QT makes him a hero since he reclaimed wealth that corporation siphon by way of labor exploitation and regressive tax code. It should be noted that the payroll tax in the USA is extremely regressive in that it taxes 15% flat tax from zero income and stops taxing the rich over $147,000! That's right a tax that only taxes low income and drops to zero for high income! Unbelievable.

And the fine system of Missouri is pretty much the same deal as described, but for some people it is good because if they become a slave to paying court fines, they have less to buy marijuana and harm their neighbors in low income housing with smoke. Whereas in Russia, people can live in state former Soviet housing blocks for free and not have to worry about vape and marijuana smoke coming in.

I imagine there is a price for everything but I was curious if anyone has any experience or heard of anyone taking one of the women back to their hotel room.

I understand, "why would you do that if you could just pay them in the club" but for GFE purposes I may want to spend an afternoon outside the club if I happen to meet one I am particularly attracted to.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2729997]Well look at Michael be. Case from Ferguson, Missouri. The criminal shot by police was needing to be shot by probably any normal citizen who he came in contact with, but the government takes guns away from law abiding people and thus leaving a monopoly on executions to government.

However, aside for how terrible Michael be. Was a knucklehead, the fact that he stole from a big corporation QT makes him a hero since he reclaimed wealth that corporation siphon by way of labor exploitation and regressive tax code. It should be noted that the payroll tax in the USA is extremely regressive in that it taxes 15% flat tax from zero income and stops taxing the rich over $147,000! That's right a tax that only taxes low income and drops to zero for high income! Unbelievable.

And the fine system of Missouri is pretty much the same deal as described, but for some people it is good because if they become a slave to paying court fines, they have less to buy marijuana and harm their neighbors in low income housing with smoke. Whereas in Russia, people can live in state former Soviet housing blocks for free and not have to worry about vape and marijuana smoke coming in.[/QUOTE]USA is extremely regressive in that it taxes 15% flat tax from zero income and stops taxing the rich over $147,000? Really? If you make 147000 USD per year, the tax rate is zero percent?

It cannot be because if so, why would many rich US people use offshore accounts in some dodgy island somewhere or panama or even Switzerland?

[QUOTE=Raretail;2730101]I imagine there is a price for everything but I was curious if anyone has any experience or heard of anyone taking one of the women back to their hotel room.

I understand, "why would you do that if you could just pay them in the club" but for GFE purposes I may want to spend an afternoon outside the club if I happen to meet one I am particularly attracted to.[/QUOTE]I did 500 euro for whole night, but something like 3 to 4 hours sessions it turned out to be in my hotel room with one of my regular! That is the only time I took FKK girl to my hotel room and it was not taking her from FKK, but she had a day off and she offered to spend it together, so I decided to take it for an experience!

Overall, it was worth it filled with many sexual memories in different set up and also we smoked up weed on hotel balcony looking at the city (I will disclose the city to protect her privacy), but will I do it again, maybe not because one thing I love about FKK is fucking different stunner girls in one single night and also having this thrill of new stunner level beauty may walk into the main bar to start her shift at any moment, so I prefer to do that in FKK and 500 euro is my budget I put on myself per day during my FKK trip! Of course if new stunner comes in, then sky is the limit for my budget, but usually, I take 500 euro as my budget and also have 700 euro as back up just in case for possible new stunner!

It is good experience and from 500 euro you can do it with top girls even though they may ask for 1000 euro at the beginning you can take it down to 500 euro, but below that, I doubt she would have agree to come! There was good service just like in FKK, no cheating or stealing or any discomfort in my case, but I knew this girl for 2 years! So watch out who you choose as you are not protected as FKK for service level etc.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2730188]USA is extremely regressive in that it taxes 15% flat tax from zero income and stops taxing the rich over $147,000? Really? If you make 147000 USD per year, the tax rate is zero percent?

It cannot be because if so, why would many rich US people use offshore accounts in some dodgy island somewhere or panama or even Switzerland?[/QUOTE]It's not true (take it from someone with direct knowledge). Just more of Dr. Poontang's misinformation. I started to respond at first, but it gets tiring you know? Having to correct someone all the time. Just suffice it to say that his statement that anybody making $147,000 a year and up is not taxed at all is not correct. There is a cut off for social security, but that's [B]only[/B] for social security! There are other types of taxes one must pay (believe this):

[URL]https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/retirement/planner/maxtax.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2730194]I did 500 euro for whole night, but something like 3 to 4 hours sessions it turned out to be in my hotel room with one of my regular! That is the only time I took FKK girl to my hotel room and it was not taking her from FKK, but she had a day off and she offered to spend it together, so I decided to take it for an experience!

Overall, it was worth it filled with many sexual memories in different set up and also we smoked up weed on hotel balcony looking at the city (I will disclose the city to protect her privacy), but will I do it again, maybe not because one thing I love about FKK is fucking different stunner girls in one single night and also having this thrill of new stunner level beauty may walk into the main bar to start her shift at any moment, so I prefer to do that in FKK and 500 euro is my budget I put on myself per day during my FKK trip! Of course if new stunner comes in, then sky is the limit for my budget, but usually, I take 500 euro as my budget and also have 700 euro as back up just in case for possible new stunner!

It is good experience and from 500 euro you can do it with top girls even though they may ask for 1000 euro at the beginning you can take it down to 500 euro, but below that, I doubt she would have agree to come! There was good service just like in FKK, no cheating or stealing or any discomfort in my case, but I knew this girl for 2 years! So watch out who you choose as you are not protected as FKK for service level etc.[/QUOTE]That is what I was hoping. Thank you for your reply Mr. Ho.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2729792]Bruggen decided to put stickers on phones because of Asians taking photos or videos in garden. Asians like so much to report to girls about us.[/QUOTE]And Asians make fall quality in clubs, like at Sharks on 2017 til covid and same again on this year, when Sharks was best club on 2021 , without Asians. I m fully sure Germans would agree with me on this point, when easy business for small pussies and asked to pay more expensive. I learned from girls Chinese are bigger size than Japanese, I didn t know.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2730188]USA is extremely regressive in that it taxes 15% flat tax from zero income and stops taxing the rich over $147,000? Really? If you make 147000 USD per year, the tax rate is zero percent?

It cannot be because if so, why would many rich US people use offshore accounts in some dodgy island somewhere or panama or even Switzerland?[/QUOTE]There are two components the income tax component which is progress but the payroll tax is regressive. The rich pay the income tax but not the payroll tax after $147,000 USD per year.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2729997]Well look at Michael be. Case from Ferguson, Missouri. The criminal shot by police was needing to be shot by probably any normal citizen who he came in contact with, but the government takes guns away from law abiding people and thus leaving a monopoly on executions to government.

However, aside for how terrible Michael be. Was a knucklehead, the fact that he stole from a big corporation QT makes him a hero since he reclaimed wealth that corporation siphon by way of labor exploitation and regressive tax code. It should be noted that the payroll tax in the USA is extremely regressive in that it taxes 15% flat tax from zero income and stops taxing the rich over $147,000! That's right a tax that only taxes low income and drops to zero for high income! Unbelievable.

And the fine system of Missouri is pretty much the same deal as described, but for some people it is good because if they become a slave to paying court fines, they have less to buy marijuana and harm their neighbors in low income housing with smoke. Whereas in Russia, people can live in state former Soviet housing blocks for free and not have to worry about vape and marijuana smoke coming in.[/QUOTE]I think you go by political propaganda. You know some people say the rich pay no taxes in the USA. They demand to see Trumps tax returns. His oersonal tax return would show what he decided to pay himself to cover his personal expenses for the year. Corporations have things that offset taxes like reinvestment, etc. If you don't want to pay taxes in corporation you can just reinvest in the corporation. It is hard to believe but what is said on both sides of issues is very dumb.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2730355]There are two components the income tax component which is progress but the payroll tax is regressive. The rich pay the income tax but not the payroll tax after $147,000 USD per year.[/QUOTE]Here is something you can add to your knowledge of it in case you do not know. A person has to work a certain amount of time paying that tax inorder to receive the benefit later in life. There is a history involved with that tax. It goes back to President Roosevelt I believe. He created social security. It was sold as something you paid into by working with the promise of getting it back. A rich person who did not work was not supposed to get the benefit and neither should a large wage earner pay more than their share. I think the history lies at the beginning of all our social programs. I believe it is call Roosevelts New Deal. It is a bit ironic that you pick that out. It began when we started social benefit programs. I am sure some one can correct me if I am wrong.

[QUOTE=Raretail;2730227]That is what I was hoping. Thank you for your reply Mr. Ho.[/QUOTE]You are welcome, just pick the right one and you will have memorable time both sexually and the moment of some normality like in my case was smoking weed on hotel balcony and looking at city line together etc, but choose the wrong one, then it can get real bad as it is not within regulated field, so maybe session with her few times before the choose the one for you or roll the dice and go with you intuition if you don't have time to choose! I hope you will enjoy and have a memorable time!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2730355]There are two components the income tax component which is progress but the payroll tax is regressive. The rich pay the income tax but not the payroll tax after $147,000 USD per year.[/QUOTE]It is progressive everything here and they take up to about 55% of your income and with social security close to 60% if you make over about 200000 USD up, but in USA as for income tax some states has none like Florida etc, but payroll tax? I do not know what that is, but I guess it is high % tax!

Many G7 nations have highers tax to sustain our quality of life, some better than others and I personally denounce medical quality of many nations, good medical treatment should be almost free in G7 nations!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2730206]It's not true (take it from someone with direct knowledge). Just more of Dr. Poontang's misinformation. I started to respond at first, but it gets tiring you know? Having to correct someone all the time. Just suffice it to say that his statement that anybody making $147,000 a year and up is not taxed at all is not correct. There is a cut off for social security, but that's [B]only[/B] for social security! There are other types of taxes one must pay (believe this):

[URL]https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/retirement/planner/maxtax.html[/URL][/QUOTE]If I am american, I will give consideration to move to Miami because it got nice beach, but with sharks, and also good life style, not that expensive as far as I know as I never been there, and above all it is close to south america where I can monger LOL! And also closer to Germany than let say LA LOL! Plus no income tax!

NYC is out as I am not into big city even though I live in big city! I need good beautiful ocean and mountain near me and big city once per every month or two is fine for me!

Social security in USA for medical treatment is bad right?

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2730425]Here is something you can add to your knowledge of it in case you do not know. A person has to work a certain amount of time paying that tax inorder to receive the benefit later in life. There is a history involved with that tax. It goes back to President Roosevelt I believe. He created social security. It was sold as something you paid into by working with the promise of getting it back. A rich person who did not work was not supposed to get the benefit and neither should a large wage earner pay more than their share. I think the history lies at the beginning of all our social programs. I believe it is call Roosevelts New Deal. It is a bit ironic that you pick that out. It began when we started social benefit programs. I am sure some one can correct me if I am wrong.[/QUOTE]Well social security is bit like Ponzi scheme, but it is Ponzi scheme that works if you believe in it and it is rather good enough ponzi scheme at least in G7 nations, sure it got errors and corruption, but it is within reasonable level at least here, it is functioning well especially in medical treatment as there is nothing to worry even you get big disease or injury here, top medical treatment can be given for very low price maximum of 1000 USD for treatment that would cost you few hundred thousands dollars if there is not federal medical insurance! Or this can be free if you are under social well fare program meaning federal give you about 1500 USD per month, plus all the medical treatment free among other benefit to put you on two feet! But you do need help of social worker to get that social welfare though, so one need to be bit informed here to get all the state benefits!

I wonder why some clubs feel that they need to tip taxi drivers for bringing customers to their clubs? In locations where there is choice I could understand it, but why at clubs like Oase and Sharks, frankly I always feel a bit miffed that having paid the fare the driver is getting more when the club know he hasn't done anything to convince me to come to that club. That's why I will never tip them. Maybe I am missing something, thoughts and opinions please? I think I even read that Oase has a special day for taxi drivers, if so WTF!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2730510]If I am american, I will give consideration to move to Miami because it got nice beach, but with sharks, and also good life style, not that expensive as far as I know as I never been there, and above all it is close to south america where I can monger LOL! And also closer to Germany than let say LA LOL! Plus no income tax!

NYC is out as I am not into big city even though I live in big city! I need good beautiful ocean and mountain near me and big city once per every month or two is fine for me!

Social security in USA for medical treatment is bad right?[/QUOTE]I can't explain it fully. I think it breaks down and is called different things. There is social security, social security disability, Medicaid, Medicare, Social security for mothers and children, etc. When I say Social Security I am talking about the check everyone gets at 62 or 65. It is a manner of semantics.

Miami Beach is supposed to be a very expensive place to live. The rest of Florida would be less so. I've only been to the airport in Miami and one trip to Disney Land as a child. The beaches in the South East United States are good. I probably like Latin women like you like Eurasian Stunners. You are lucky to have some options in Japan. My options have gotten worse. I don't like the stupid sugar baby thing that has popped up here. You are a smart guy to have absorbed what you know and post it. I am not as smart like that so I cant answer the questions fully.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2730510]If I am american, I will give consideration to move to Miami because it got nice beach, but with sharks, and also good life style, not that expensive as far as I know as I never been there, and above all it is close to south america where I can monger LOL! And also closer to Germany than let say LA LOL! Plus no income tax!

NYC is out as I am not into big city even though I live in big city! I need good beautiful ocean and mountain near me and big city once per every month or two is fine for me!

Social security in USA for medical treatment is bad right?[/QUOTE]You should move to Los Angeles there is hundreds of thousands of Japanese Americans there and you can walk to the right neighborhood and speak Japanese.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2730510]If I am american, I will give consideration to move to Miami because it got nice beach, but with sharks, and also good life style, not that expensive as far as I know as I never been there, and above all it is close to south america where I can monger LOL! And also closer to Germany than let say LA LOL! Plus no income tax!

NYC is out as I am not into big city even though I live in big city! I need good beautiful ocean and mountain near me and big city once per every month or two is fine for me!

Social security in USA for medical treatment is bad right?[/QUOTE]Come to think of it I basically have social security for medical treatment. I have ACA. It is basically the same doctors and hospitals. As far as beaches go I am only familiar with beaches in NC and SC. I imagine the beaches in Texas are on the same latitude as Florida. I would not go to a beach north of NC. I don't imagine any of them compare to beaches in SE Asia. I have been to one in Thailand. I have been to Rio. That is not a very clean beach but it is good in other ways. There is definitely a difference between big cities and smaller ones and someone’s view of things.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2730663]I wonder why some clubs feel that they need to tip taxi drivers for bringing customers to their clubs? In locations where there is choice I could understand it, but why at clubs like Oase and Sharks, frankly I always feel a bit miffed that having paid the fare the driver is getting more when the club know he hasn't done anything to convince me to come to that club. That's why I will never tip them. Maybe I am missing something, thoughts and opinions please? I think I even read that Oase has a special day for taxi drivers, if so WTF![/QUOTE]Yes, discount entry for taxi drivers in some clubs. Taxi drivers can advice some clubs to tourists, they can drive and make clients for clubs. In this business, not much is for free, reason why I like when I get for free from girls.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2730728]You should move to Los Angeles there is hundreds of thousands of Japanese Americans there and you can walk to the right neighborhood and speak Japanese.[/QUOTE]I do not hang out with Japanese or Asians in general at least when I was living in Europe for 14 years actually, I prefer international group than just one close minded race, but one thing I do care is Japanese food, so I would prefer to have Japanese food near me, but in luxury super market around the world do sell Japanese products, so that could do!

I cannot live in LA because of TAX! I would consider Florida or Texas is getting good spot light lately, but hmmm Texas lacks the glamour as of this moment, but they will catch up!

I actually met quite few American friends in boarding school and they are living in all over USA, mostly in NYC though!

From the city glamour stand point, LA is my favorite city to live in if I went to high end high school there, then it would be best place to live beside the tax there and also guns! I am not used to live in place where many people have guns, which would make me think to buy guns at my home to feel safe, which I do not want to do! I like to shoot with my gun between my leg on beautiful young stunners face, mouth, pussy and anal from around the world and not guns LOL!

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2730742]Come to think of it I basically have social security for medical treatment. I have ACA. It is basically the same doctors and hospitals. As far as beaches go I am only familiar with beaches in NC and SC. I imagine the beaches in Texas are on the same latitude as Florida. I would not go to a beach north of NC. I don't imagine any of them compare to beaches in SE Asia. I have been to one in Thailand. I have been to Rio. That is not a very clean beach but it is good in other ways. There is definitely a difference between big cities and smaller ones and someones view of things.[/QUOTE]Beach especially the beautiful white sand cove is important for me that I do not have in my life yet, but I am working on it to move to close to beautiful sea but close to Tokyo!

One thing I cannot believe in Florida is crocodiles! Man, USA is G7 country and you got Crocodile living just near you LOL! I mean sometimes I read the news that people get eaten by crocodile by getting too close to the river or pond or whatever, but it is hard reality to believe! It is not snakes, but big crocodile man! It is like living in big crocodile zoo in some area of Florida without any fences between human and crocodile LOL! I know it is not in center of Miami or Boca raton, palm beach etc, but they are there in some area! LOL.

SE Asia has beautiful beaches like Philippines has one of the most beautiful beaches of the world and Bali has good wave for surfers etc In case of Japan, Okinawa has beaches that is as beautiful as Carribean, but that takes 2 and half hour flight from Tokyo!

I do like big city, but only for few days is enough and for daily I need beautiful beach to swim! And few times per year, go to FKK and once per month if I find top level Eurasian beauty to fuck is fine by me! So I am missing the beach in my life!

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2730722]I can't explain it fully. I think it breaks down and is called different things. There is social security, social security disability, Medicaid, Medicare, Social security for mothers and children, etc. When I say Social Security I am talking about the check everyone gets at 62 or 65. It is a manner of semantics.

Miami Beach is supposed to be a very expensive place to live. The rest of Florida would be less so. I've only been to the airport in Miami and one trip to Disney Land as a child. The beaches in the South East United States are good. I probably like Latin women like you like Eurasian Stunners. You are lucky to have some options in Japan. My options have gotten worse. I don't like the stupid sugar baby thing that has popped up here. You are a smart guy to have absorbed what you know and post it. I am not as smart like that so I cant answer the questions fully.[/QUOTE]Yes, but top level beauty Eurasians here are hard to find, but I manage to find few every year after hard core daily hunting which is my set schedule every day LOL! Yes, I look for them daily as my set routine, but hey I always say I am a sharp shooter with my sniper gun between my leg LOL! It is so here and it is so in FKK where I sometimes wait really few hours till stunner walk into FKK main bar LOL! I am that specific with looks of women I like to fuck LOL! Hard life with happy ending always LOL! I am not into Asian girls, but only Eurasian, so that make my life hard! But it is well worth it when I find top looking Eurasian here and they are young too mostly 19 to 21 trying to score cash during their studies etc or I catch them before their debut to JAV like Rola takizawa, but Maria ozawa I got her after her debut at her peak of fame in 2008 ! Etc,

Sugar Daddy thing is close to normal dating, but more obvious negotiations LOL! You may find someone more upfront and clear then I would like it, but if it involves going to dinner with them etc, then I will not like those process with women! I just want to fuck beautiful girls and I hate spending too much time with them, but for short while, it can be good and memorable if it involves sex LOL!

I notice that in life, when it comes down to it, it is what you seek for, so I seek for good sex with beautiful young stunner girls, nature as it revitalize me, as much as I am used to fucking young stunner girls since age 17, I do still have little jump in my heart when I find new stunner, so I am grateful to be in position to fuck them and I will take every opportunity I can to fuck them while I am here keeping my life like open high way to fuck many stunners as I can around the world LOL! And then one day I am gone! Thats it, nothing less, nothing more LOL!

Finding FKK was ground breaking experience in my life though! Whatta one stop fucking platform FKK really is LOL! And yes, another ground breaking experience will be Brazil Therma, it is over 20 hours flight from Tokyo, so I need some months for that trip, but I will take long sex trip to Brazil for a whole month or two just fucking every day!

I did 14 days everyday FKK in my early 30's when I could do 5 to 7 rooms with all cum, that was an amazing experience of every day different stunners pussy and anal on my face LOL! I can only do 3 to 5 rooms with cum now, but hopefully I get to that Brazil trip soon, but even later, it is ok as science world and their special pill will put me back to 7 cum hentai superman LOL!

To all the hentai mongers around the world LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2730510]If I am american, I will give consideration to move to Miami because it got nice beach, but with sharks, and also good life style, not that expensive as far as I know as I never been there, and above all it is close to south america where I can monger LOL! And also closer to Germany than let say LA LOL! Plus no income tax!

NYC is out as I am not into big city even though I live in big city! I need good beautiful ocean and mountain near me and big city once per every month or two is fine for me!

Social security in USA for medical treatment is bad right?[/QUOTE]Miami is one of the most expensive cities in America, generally right behind Californian cities and New York City. No State income tax, but you still play federal taxes. Can't beat the climate. No need to worry about Sharks anymore than most beaches. It's equal distance to Frankfurt and Buenos Aires. But it's not exactly a small city, 6 million population.

If you have a decent job which would pretty much always subsidizes health insurance, medical care in America surpasses medical are in most of Europe and Asia. We keep the sickest and fattest people alive despite their poor lifestyle choices! The medical system issues you hear about is the lack of health insurance for people people who don't work full time jobs, young people who choose to not pay into their insurance plans, or undocumented immigrants. Elderly and Children are always covered. Basically in America, if you're of working age and you choose to not work and pay into a health insurance plan, you don't get medical care unless you pay 100% out of pocket. Basically that's 30 million out of 330 million people without insurance and 300 million out of 330 million having access to better medical care than most of Europe or Asia.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2730891]Miami is one of the most expensive cities in America, generally right behind Californian cities and New York City. No State income tax, but you still play federal taxes. Can't beat the climate. No need to worry about Sharks anymore than most beaches. It's equal distance to Frankfurt and Buenos Aires. But it's not exactly a small city, 6 million population.

If you have a decent job which would pretty much always subsidizes health insurance, medical care in America surpasses medical are in most of Europe and Asia. We keep the sickest and fattest people alive despite their poor lifestyle choices! The medical system issues you hear about is the lack of health insurance for people people who don't work full time jobs, young people who choose to not pay into their insurance plans, or undocumented immigrants. Elderly and Children are always covered. Basically in America, if you're of working age and you choose to not work and pay into a health insurance plan, you don't get medical care unless you pay 100% out of pocket. Basically that's 30 million out of 330 million people without insurance and 300 million out of 330 million having access to better medical care than most of Europe or Asia.[/QUOTE]Ok, good to know, so I should be scared of sharks in the main bar of FKK more than sharks in the ocean in Florida then LOL!

I am thinking of picking up surfing and also scuba diving because I want to scuba with hammer head sharks migrating in numbers of few hundred, so I watched some documentaries and did some research and I learnt that sharks mostly only bite you because they think you are turtle or seal!

Therefore, sharks are safe as girls in FKK, there are only very few that will bite you LOL!

Also considering I only had one bad session that is not that bad and other that was my fault as I walked out after I saw her face up close once I entered the room (I offered to pay 50 euro for cancellatation), FKK also has no sharks that bite you, only softly bite our nipples and penis head and our fingers sometimes in erotic ways LOL!

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2730891]Miami is one of the most expensive cities in America, generally right behind Californian cities and New York City. No State income tax, but you still play federal taxes. Can't beat the climate. No need to worry about Sharks anymore than most beaches. It's equal distance to Frankfurt and Buenos Aires. But it's not exactly a small city, 6 million population.

If you have a decent job which would pretty much always subsidizes health insurance, medical care in America surpasses medical are in most of Europe and Asia. We keep the sickest and fattest people alive despite their poor lifestyle choices! The medical system issues you hear about is the lack of health insurance for people people who don't work full time jobs, young people who choose to not pay into their insurance plans, or undocumented immigrants. Elderly and Children are always covered. Basically in America, if you're of working age and you choose to not work and pay into a health insurance plan, you don't get medical care unless you pay 100% out of pocket. Basically that's 30 million out of 330 million people without insurance and 300 million out of 330 million having access to better medical care than most of Europe or Asia.[/QUOTE]P.S.: I lived in siwtzerland for many years before, so after that country, all country and cities are cheap LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2730510]If I am american, I will give consideration to move to Miami because it got nice beach, but with sharks, and also good life style, not that expensive as far as I know as I never been there, and above all it is close to south america where I can monger LOL! And also closer to Germany than let say LA LOL! Plus no income tax!

NYC is out as I am not into big city even though I live in big city! I need good beautiful ocean and mountain near me and big city once per every month or two is fine for me!

Social security in USA for medical treatment is bad right?[/QUOTE]If you are needing free healthcare then Canada is the place to be. Forget about the USA it lets people die on the street.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2730891]Miami is one of the most expensive cities in America, generally right behind Californian cities and New York City. No State income tax, but you still play federal taxes. Can't beat the climate. No need to worry about Sharks anymore than most beaches. It's equal distance to Frankfurt and Buenos Aires. But it's not exactly a small city, 6 million population.

If you have a decent job which would pretty much always subsidizes health insurance, medical care in America surpasses medical are in most of Europe and Asia. We keep the sickest and fattest people alive despite their poor lifestyle choices! The medical system issues you hear about is the lack of health insurance for people people who don't work full time jobs, young people who choose to not pay into their insurance plans, or undocumented immigrants. Elderly and Children are always covered. Basically in America, if you're of working age and you choose to not work and pay into a health insurance plan, you don't get medical care unless you pay 100% out of pocket. Basically that's 30 million out of 330 million people without insurance and 300 million out of 330 million having access to better medical care than most of Europe or Asia.[/QUOTE]When around 50 millions illegals ghosts and so many millions having several jobs to try to survive, should be not far from 100 millions without health insurance, for sure not only 30 millions, in land of dreams US with so much misery, world champion for covid deaths with much more than 1 million. I think Obama should have really made improve US, when I would not run to US for health care, but I m not fat. When I won t be anymore able to climb the steepest highest ranked, when I really liked Keys, not Miami beach, and San Francisco, if I return to US, it would be to visit NYC, when was never interested to visit LA. Boston may also worth a visit.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2730891]Miami is one of the most expensive cities in America, generally right behind Californian cities and New York City. No State income tax, but you still play federal taxes. Can't beat the climate. No need to worry about Sharks anymore than most beaches. It's equal distance to Frankfurt and Buenos Aires. But it's not exactly a small city, 6 million population.

If you have a decent job which would pretty much always subsidizes health insurance, medical care in America surpasses medical are in most of Europe and Asia. We keep the sickest and fattest people alive despite their poor lifestyle choices! The medical system issues you hear about is the lack of health insurance for people people who don't work full time jobs, young people who choose to not pay into their insurance plans, or undocumented immigrants. Elderly and Children are always covered. Basically in America, if you're of working age and you choose to not work and pay into a health insurance plan, you don't get medical care unless you pay 100% out of pocket. Basically that's 30 million out of 330 million people without insurance and 300 million out of 330 million having access to better medical care than most of Europe or Asia.[/QUOTE]I don't understand why they don't have Affordable Care Act Insurance. It seems to be free for poor people as far as I can tell and pays for standard things in full minus a copay or more for a specialist. For example it pays for a colonoscopy and yearly blood work. I do understand that if someone has no money it is hard to pay for the full price of a boob job or Botox or something. It pays for medication too. I think it is more a lack of money for being nickeled and dimed than a lack of insurance. Maybe hospitals deny services to people who don't pay.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2730853]I do not hang out with Japanese or Asians in general at least when I was living in Europe for 14 years actually, I prefer international group than just one close minded race, but one thing I do care is Japanese food, so I would prefer to have Japanese food near me, but in luxury super market around the world do sell Japanese products, so that could do![/QUOTE]Hell, in a lot of ways Brazil would work for you. As I have noted in the past, more Japanese people live in Brazil than any place in the world other than Japan itself. They "know" LOL! So, you could certainly get your Japanese food (I love it too). At the same time, Brazil is a very large and diverse, multiethnic nation. So, if you don't want to hang with other Japanese people all the time no problem! And uuuffff all of those pretty girls of all shades of colors! With a multitude of the blonde "brancas" you like (you and me both). The only thing is that Brazil is not a solid first-world country, and I think that's something you want right? Brazil is "second-world" between 1st and 3rd. I have decided against retiring overseas, but if I were to, Brazil would def be high on my list. That said, I would not pick Rio or Sao Paulo (principal mongering destinations only). It's a huge country with lot nicer and more favorable cities to choose from. Like this one:

[URL]https://youtu.be/xVBrevi_98M[/URL]

I also like this one:

[URL]https://youtu.be/5Dt9rmTJVOI[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2730908]Ok, good to know, so I should be scared of sharks in the main bar of FKK more than sharks in the ocean in Florida then LOL!

I am thinking of picking up surfing and also scuba diving because I want to scuba with hammer head sharks migrating in numbers of few hundred, so I watched some documentaries and did some research and I learnt that sharks mostly only bite you because they think you are turtle or seal!

Therefore, sharks are safe as girls in FKK, there are only very few that will bite you LOL!

Also considering I only had one bad session that is not that bad and other that was my fault as I walked out after I saw her face up close once I entered the room (I offered to pay 50 euro for cancellatation), FKK also has no sharks that bite you, only softly bite our nipples and penis head and our fingers sometimes in erotic ways LOL![/QUOTE]Arguably and suprisingly the best shark diving in the world is the wreck diving off the coast of North Carolina USA. It is diving with eight feet sand tiger sharks mostly. It is interesting that the Gulf Stream hits the coast and there are tropical fish. An aquarium broke open in Miami during a hurricane and populated the entire Caribbean with Lion Fish. They teach classes in how to catch them and eat them.

The best white sand beach I have been to was Cancun Mexico. That was actually a fun place. They squirt tequila in your mouth while in the pool with squirt bottles. I think they got rid of the brothels. They had one for tourists named Chilly Willies and another complex for locals. It was expensive but fun. It was like really high end strippers that you could have sex with. They would grind on you in little booths or have sex in rooms. Come to think of it it was really rather unique.

Costa Rica is good for surfing. The beaches are somewhat unimpressive. The service industry is lacking and the food is generally bad.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2731078]I don't understand why they don't have Affordable Care Act Insurance. It seems to be free for poor people as far as I can tell and pays for standard things in full minus a copay or more for a specialist. For example it pays for a colonoscopy and yearly blood work. I do understand that if someone has no money it is hard to pay for the full price of a boob job or Botox or something. It pays for medication too. I think it is more a lack of money for being nickeled and dimed than a lack of insurance. Maybe hospitals deny services to people who don't pay.[/QUOTE]Contrary to popular affluent to semi-affluent people beliefs, health insurance for the poor is rarely free. Yes children and elderly can be covered in all states but not adults 18-65. At the federal level, under $49,000 per year and ACA Marketplace insurance is partially subsidized but not free. To get free insurance at the federal level, that generally means an income of less than $13,000 and that only started during the pandemic. Some states such as Massachusetts have universal coverage for low income individuals through Medicaid but the majority do not. For example, Georgia does not have universal income-dependent health insurance coverage but will provide Medicaid insurance coverage for people with specific disabilities. Then there are other programs that gives you Medicaid in the form of early access Medicare for the elderly if they are close to retirement age and have financial aid. But that is evaluated on a case by case basis, no universal ability to get health insurance just because you are poor. It varies from state to state.

Hospitals are not legally allowed to deny services for treatment in the Emergency Department and also are legally obligated to offer income-dependent payment plans for non Emergent services. I have a buddy who still pays $12 per month for a $15,000 bill he got in 2007.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2730970]When around 50 millions illegals ghosts and so many millions having several jobs to try to survive, should be not far from 100 millions without health insurance, for sure not only 30 millions, in land of dreams US with so much misery, world champion for covid deaths with much more than 1 million. I think Obama should have really made improve US, when I would not run to US for health care, but I m not fat. When I won t be anymore able to climb the steepest highest ranked, when I really liked Keys, not Miami beach, and San Francisco, if I return to US, it would be to visit NYC, when was never interested to visit LA. Boston may also worth a visit.[/QUOTE]29 million in a country of 335 million without insurance to be exact. Less than 10% of legal residents do not have health insurance.

A Federal government has no obligation to help people who are living in its borders illegally. Yet we still provide care if they walk into the hospital regardless of insurance status.

While America is not the best place to be poor and sick, we remain the land where Europeans and Canadians who can pay come when needing advance medical services or not wanting to wait 3 years to get specific procedures not covered in the very basic universal coverage offered in socialist medical systems. People who are advancely ill still come to America from all over the world, especially backlogged UK, Canada, Germany, and France.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2730952]If you are needing free healthcare then Canada is the place to be. Forget about the USA it lets people die on the street.[/QUOTE]Silly. Healthcare is not free anywhere unless you are jobless in universal healthcare countries.

The real math is that in Europe and Canada, people pay 10-20% more income tax than an average American. For healthcare, the difference is that the government automatically takes out the payment from your paycheck in Europe and Canada, removing your ability to make your own independent choice. In America, you could easily just take that 10-20% you didn't pay in taxes and purchase health insurance.

Basically, the only people who experience a net benefit in Canadian and European systems are those adults who don't work. Free health insurance for people who don't pay taxes and for undocumented immigrants. Yay, those systems pay for healthcare for lazy people and people who broke international border laws, not exactly something to be proud of.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2731117]Contrary to popular affluent to semi-affluent people beliefs, health insurance for the poor is rarely free. Yes children and elderly can be covered in all states but not adults 18-65. At the federal level, under $49,000 per year and ACA Marketplace insurance is partially subsidized but not free. To get free insurance at the federal level, that generally means an income of less than $13,000 and that only started during the pandemic. Some states such as Massachusetts have universal coverage for low income individuals through Medicaid but the majority do not. For example, Georgia does not have universal income-dependent health insurance coverage but will provide Medicaid insurance coverage for people with specific disabilities. Then there are other programs that gives you Medicaid in the form of early access Medicare for the elderly if they are close to retirement age and have financial aid. But that is evaluated on a case by case basis, no universal ability to get health insurance just because you are poor. It varies from state to state.

Hospitals are not legally allowed to deny services for treatment in the Emergency Department and also are legally obligated to offer income-dependent payment plans for non Emergent services. I have a buddy who still pays $12 per month for a $15,000 bill he got in 2007.[/QUOTE]I am sure you are generally right but my ACA marketplace insurance is completely free whenever my income is below $40,000. Two years it was free over let's say $100,000 but that was due to the pandemic. I am under 55.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2730952]If you are needing free healthcare then Canada is the place to be. Forget about the USA it lets people die on the street.[/QUOTE]I believe in free for poor let say under income of 15000 usd and above that 30 % cover of the medical fee and above 1000 USD it stops there and rest the fed pays like here!

We tried swedish system of free medical and that do not work as hospital especially big hospital became the lounge for old people LOL! They come to chat and coffee to make friend etc and their symptom is like they pull the muscle in their ear kinda thing LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2731100]Hell, in a lot of ways Brazil would work for you. As I have noted in the past, more Japanese people live in Brazil than any place in the world other than Japan itself. They "know" LOL! So, you could certainly get your Japanese food (I love it too). At the same time, Brazil is a very large and diverse, multiethnic nation. So, if you don't want to hang with other Japanese people all the time no problem! And uuuffff all of those pretty girls of all shades of colors! With a multitude of the blonde "brancas" you like (you and me both). The only thing is that Brazil is not a solid first-world country, and I think that's something you want right? Brazil is "second-world" between 1st and 3rd. I have decided against retiring overseas, but if I were to, Brazil would def be high on my list. That said, I would not pick Rio or Sao Paulo (principal mongering destinations only). It's a huge country with lot nicer and more favorable cities to choose from. Like this one:

[URL]https://youtu.be/xVBrevi_98M[/URL]

I also like this one:

[URL]https://youtu.be/5Dt9rmTJVOI[/URL][/QUOTE]There is some kind of real conspiracy theory with Argentina and Brazil, during the second world war, many of German and Japanese immigrated to Brazil and in case of Germans Argentina, I wonder why that is? What is the catch? Why there?

Usually, we do not immigrate unless it is love or in rare case they like certain place for whatever reason, but we are the race who tend not to immigrate as we do not need to as the quality of life is real good here, but in 1945 after the second world war, the nation was wrecked, so we immigrated to somehow to Brazil, they went there poor, but after decades of hard work, now they are rich as their nation got rich and our big companies went there and work with them to keep quality to our standard!

It still make me wonder why Germans and Japanese went to Brazil and in case of Germans to Argentina after the war! What was the hidden deal behind that one? Nothing is coincidence in politic!

I hear Brazil is fantastic place to visit, but to live it could be different thing as their quality of life is limited as it is not safe there at all and also they are not exactly advanced country, so limited everything whether it is medical or social reliability etc, but when it comes to mongering! It sound like a place to be! It is sad to hear that beaches in Rio is not good, so still have to fly to get to the beautiful beaches of Brazil!

For me, I could live in Brazil because as long as mongering is good, for other things, I am international enough to adapt to the environment, I will miss the food, but I can always stay here 4 months and live in other place 8 months, but it will be either mongering destination or close to it as I need that LOL!

Mongering is like food or oxygen for me, it keeps me alive LOL!

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2731112]Arguably and suprisingly the best shark diving in the world is the wreck diving off the coast of North Carolina USA. It is diving with eight feet sand tiger sharks mostly. It is interesting that the Gulf Stream hits the coast and there are tropical fish. An aquarium broke open in Miami during a hurricane and populated the entire Caribbean with Lion Fish. They teach classes in how to catch them and eat them.

The best white sand beach I have been to was Cancun Mexico. That was actually a fun place. They squirt tequila in your mouth while in the pool with squirt bottles. I think they got rid of the brothels. They had one for tourists named Chilly Willies and another complex for locals. It was expensive but fun. It was like really high end strippers that you could have sex with. They would grind on you in little booths or have sex in rooms. Come to think of it it was really rather unique.

Costa Rica is good for surfing. The beaches are somewhat unimpressive. The service industry is lacking and the food is generally bad.[/QUOTE]We do live in beautiful planet and so many places that are beautiful! We are lucky!

I am willing to do hammer head sharks diving, but not one of those cage diving with great white sharks LOL! That looks PTSD level experience that actually is reasonably safe, but imagine that big thing coming at your cage in the ocean LOL!

As for brothels, I know that Brazil is as good and same quality as in German, Austria and Zurich FKK, but all other brothels have limitations!

I found top Eurasian stunners here and let say in Philippines (Thanks to their oversea workers getting fucked in middle east, USA etc to produce amazing beautiful looking kids that 18 years later end up in KTV), but that is after many hours or days looking for them! Where as in FKK, there usually is one stunner to your liking in most FKK beside in nrw I usually hop few FKK before I finally find the stunner to fuck!

For me, when it comes to food, Japan and France tops it as Michelin always rate Tokyo or Paris as top for past more than decade and these two nation has very deep culture of true craftsman ship with top quality, and I also rank Italy and Spain as second then Chinese, Indian and Korean as third, I must say Spain is so under rated for food as Spain has really good food, then I also love exotic cuisine like Ukrainian food, Russian food, Arabic food, Ethiopian food etc.

Now, China could have many top culture including food, but they fuck themselves up with their communist revolution, it is too bad 4000 years of civilized history of China is gone with insane ideology put into action called communism and its authoritarian regimes LOL! Lenin was the root of all this mess that continue to this day!

Anyways, I believe in one ideology only, mongering, it is always happy ideology based on hippy mentality backed with capitalism LOL! You pay for peace and love LOL!

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2731191]I am sure you are generally right but my ACA marketplace insurance is completely free whenever my income is below $40,000. Two years it was free over let's say $100,000 but that was due to the pandemic. I am under 55.[/QUOTE]Not sure how you pulled free ACA insurance when making that much above the national poverty line unless you are claiming numerous dependents or have a medical disability. That is certainly not how it generally works. Another question is, what is someone doing buying international hookers with an income less than $40 K.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2731251]Not sure how you pulled free ACA insurance when making that much above the national poverty line unless you are claiming numerous dependents or have a medical disability. That is certainly not how it generally works. Another question is, what is someone doing buying international hookers with an income less than $40 K.[/QUOTE]The USA will put people in jail for sex, and thus it is cheaper to have sex in Germany at 50 euros each as compared to the USA.

Loot at the case of Ron J. Who in the porn industry was prosecuted 20 years after the fact!

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2731117]Contrary to popular affluent to semi-affluent people beliefs, health insurance for the poor is rarely free. Yes children and elderly can be covered in all states but not adults 18-65. At the federal level, under $49,000 per year and ACA Marketplace insurance is partially subsidized but not free. To get free insurance at the federal level, that generally means an income of less than $13,000 and that only started during the pandemic. Some states such as Massachusetts have universal coverage for low income individuals through Medicaid but the majority do not. For example, Georgia does not have universal income-dependent health insurance coverage but will provide Medicaid insurance coverage for people with specific disabilities. Then there are other programs that gives you Medicaid in the form of early access Medicare for the elderly if they are close to retirement age and have financial aid. But that is evaluated on a case by case basis, no universal ability to get health insurance just because you are poor. It varies from state to state.

Hospitals are not legally allowed to deny services for treatment in the Emergency Department and also are legally obligated to offer income-dependent payment plans for non Emergent services. I have a buddy who still pays $12 per month for a $15,000 bill he got in 2007.[/QUOTE]Actually under the EMTALA (Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act) they can deem whatever the person is there non emergent which is pretty easy to do. And once initially stablized which is not much more than packing the patient up and putting him on an ambulance to a cheaper hospital such as a county run hosptial which will be full of Covid and AfroAmericans and terrible doctors which will engage in malpractice and many lives lost due to negligence. Thus, one without health care the doctors will devise a way to delay and obstruct treatment or transfer to another hospital which is allowed under EMTALA.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2731225]

I found top Eurasian stunners here and let say in Philippines (Thanks to their oversea workers getting fucked in middle east, USA etc to produce amazing beautiful looking kids that 18 years later end up in KTV), but that is after many hours or days looking for them!
=[/QUOTE]Point of information: A half Asian, half middle eastern is not a Eurasian. I believe it would be a MiddleAsianEastAsian since anything East of Istanbul is in Asia.

They went there because there were millions of Italians in Argentena for some reason and it was the most European of any South American country. And more civilized and safe than Mexico and further from the USA influence since it was in South America. And there were also German settlements in Argentina and some cities where they could speak German.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2731216]There is some kind of real conspiracy theory with Argentina and Brazil, during the second world war, many of German and Japanese immigrated to Brazil and in case of Germans Argentina, I wonder why that is? What is the catch? Why there?

Usually, we do not immigrate unless it is love or in rare case they like certain place for whatever reason, but we are the race who tend not to immigrate as we do not need to as the quality of life is real good here, but in 1945 after the second world war, the nation was wrecked, so we immigrated to somehow to Brazil, they went there poor, but after decades of hard work, now they are rich as their nation got rich and our big companies went there and work with them to keep quality to our standard!

It still make me wonder why Germans and Japanese went to Brazil and in case of Germans to Argentina after the war! What was the hidden deal behind that one? Nothing is coincidence in politic!

I hear Brazil is fantastic place to visit, but to live it could be different thing as their quality of life is limited as it is not safe there at all and also they are not exactly advanced country, so limited everything whether it is medical or social reliability etc, but when it comes to mongering! It sound like a place to be! It is sad to hear that beaches in Rio is not good, so still have to fly to get to the beautiful beaches of Brazil!

For me, I could live in Brazil because as long as mongering is good, for other things, I am international enough to adapt to the environment, I will miss the food, but I can always stay here 4 months and live in other place 8 months, but it will be either mongering destination or close to it as I need that LOL!

Mongering is like food or oxygen for me, it keeps me alive LOL![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2731100]Hell, in a lot of ways Brazil would work for you. As I have noted in the past, more Japanese people live in Brazil than any place in the world other than Japan itself. They "know" LOL! So, you could certainly get your Japanese food (I love it too). At the same time, Brazil is a very large and diverse, multiethnic nation. So, if you don't want to hang with other Japanese people all the time no problem! And uuuffff all of those pretty girls of all shades of colors! With a multitude of the blonde "brancas" you like (you and me both). The only thing is that Brazil is not a solid first-world country, and I think that's something you want right? Brazil is "second-world" between 1st and 3rd. I have decided against retiring overseas, but if I were to, Brazil would def be high on my list. That said, I would not pick Rio or Sao Paulo (principal mongering destinations only). It's a huge country with lot nicer and more favorable cities to choose from. Like this one:

[URL]https://youtu.be/xVBrevi_98M[/URL]

I also like this one:

[URL]https://youtu.be/5Dt9rmTJVOI[/URL][/QUOTE]By the way, by looking at your video links, Brazil seems more civilized than I thought and I have been told, but it still is dangerous though! It is too bad some nations are dangerous, but it is only few places that is totally safe like Switzerland, Japan, Singapore, very few European nations now, but to be honest I cannot think of European nations that I can say it is totally safe now with all this excessive immigration from totally dangerous places that Europe actually helped US to bomb or Europe bombed themselves! Beef is strong thing and wow Salman Rushdie got stabbed yesterday!

Man, can't this world just get along or we have been trying for past over 2000 years and we are still here! At least, within G7 nations, we get along fine and overcame differences and can solve things with our mouth and amicably!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2731278]The USA will put people in jail for sex, and thus it is cheaper to have sex in Germany at 50 euros each as compared to the USA. Loot at the case of Ron J. Who in the porn industry was prosecuted 20 years after the fact![/QUOTE]He wasn't prosecuted for having sex. He was prosecuted for [B]rape[/B], which happens not to be the same thing. And I say that without passing any judgment on the merits of the case. It's just the facts about what got him into hot water. There's always the statute of limitations on prosecutions, but I guess that wasn't hit and / or may not have applied at all (sometimes it doesn't). I don't know exactly what the law is in the jurisdiction that came after him. But when they did it wasn't simply for having sex. Come on man!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2731357]Point of information: A half Asian, half middle eastern is not a Eurasian. I believe it would be a MiddleAsianEastAsian since anything East of Istanbul is in Asia.[/QUOTE]Yeah kind of, but hybrid between asian and middle eastern as well also persian comes out beautiful in many cases, I love mixed blood girls!

As for pure blood, I stick to European and Eastern European and some latinas are beautiful too!

As for African girls, it is not my type, but I know some Ethiopian women can have very structured European type face and some half African half white girls are beautiful, but I only had one stunner of half African and half white girl, but wow she was exotic beauty much more beautiful than halle berry or zoe klavitz! But I only met one and fucked one of that kind of stunners!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2731359]They went there because there were millions of Italians in Argentena for some reason and it was the most European of any South American country. And more civilized and safe than Mexico and further from the USA influence since it was in South America. And there were also German settlements in Argentina and some cities where they could speak German.[/QUOTE]Yes, but that is my question, why were they there? I mean spanish went there, but why Germans in Brazil and Argentina in first place?

It may have been civilized back then, but not any more in many part of south america! I wonder why they declined? US strategy after finding natural resources or just latin mentality of being lazy and laid back too much?!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2731373]By the way, by looking at your video links, Brazil seems more civilized than I thought and I have been told, but it still is dangerous though! It is too bad some nations are dangerous, but it is only few places that is totally safe like Switzerland, Japan, Singapore, very few European nations now, but to be honest I cannot think of European nations that I can say it is totally safe now with all this excessive immigration from totally dangerous places that Europe actually helped US to bomb or Europe bombed themselves! Beef is strong thing and wow Salman Rushdie got stabbed yesterday!

Man, can't this world just get along or we have been trying for past over 2000 years and we are still here! At least, within G7 nations, we get along fine and overcame differences and can solve things with our mouth and amicably![/QUOTE]Come on man. You're overdoing it. You know I'm a man who is impressed and convinced by the facts. And not "alternative" ones but real ones LOL! And the fact of the matter is that Brazil is safer in many ways than my own country, the supposed "leader of the free world". Take gun violence for example. We have everybody beat when it comes to that! We're "leading" alright! Now just like anywhere, if you go looking for trouble in Brazil you will find it. But mind your own business and keep your nose clean, and use sensible street smarts you would and should anywhere, and you will be fine.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2731355]Actually under the EMTALA (Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act) they can deem whatever the person is there non emergent which is pretty easy to do. And once initially stablized which is not much more than packing the patient up and putting him on an ambulance to a cheaper hospital such as a county run hosptial which will be full of Covid and AfroAmericans and terrible doctors which will engage in malpractice and many lives lost due to negligence. Thus, one without health care the doctors will devise a way to delay and obstruct treatment or transfer to another hospital which is allowed under EMTALA.[/QUOTE]Lots of misinformation here once again. Deeming a patient non-emergent is called assessment, the first step of medical care. So yes, they are treated. Then stabilize, another part medical care. So medical care rendered once again.

If deemed non-emergent or not at need for observation, then they are discharged to follow up. No one packs a patient needing care that same day and sends them in an ambulance to "county" hospital. Hospital transfers only happen for specialty or advance services or if the patient has an insurance that requires treatment at specific facilities.

Laymen keep telling people about things they don't know.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2731485]Yes, but that is my question, why were they there? I mean spanish went there, but why Germans in Brazil and Argentina in first place?

It may have been civilized back then, but not any more in many part of south america! I wonder why they declined? US strategy after finding natural resources or just latin mentality of being lazy and laid back too much?![/QUOTE]You can go deeper. Much, much deeper. But, this provides a brief but accurate explanation of the reasons why, including a want for an infusion of "cultural superiority".

[URL]https://www.panoramas.pitt.edu/news-and-politics/immigration-latin-america-point-destination-early-20th-century[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2731484]Yeah kind of, but hybrid between Asian and middle eastern as well also Persian comes out beautiful in many cases, I love mixed blood girls!

As for pure blood, I stick to European and Eastern European and some latinas are beautiful too!

As for African girls, it is not my type, but I know some Ethiopian women can have very structured European type face and some half African half white girls are beautiful, but I only had one stunner of half African and half white girl, but wow she was exotic beauty much more beautiful than halle berry or zoe klavitz! But I only met one and fucked one of that kind of stunners![/QUOTE]Ethiopian / Eritrean, Somalian, and even Kenyan (Rift Valley) Africans are quite different than Nigerian, Ghana, or Cameroonian (Sub-Saharan) Africans. For my taste, some of the most beautiful faces in the world come from Ethiopia and Eritrea. Some of those women have the most perfect facial bone structures with bright eyes. The tendency to have larger teeth however can sometimes mess it up.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2731251]Not sure how you pulled free ACA insurance when making that much above the national poverty line unless you are claiming numerous dependents or have a medical disability. That is certainly not how it generally works. Another question is, what is someone doing buying international hookers with an income less than $40 K.[/QUOTE]It is based on 400% of the federal poverty level which is approximately $55,000. For at least two years it had no income cap. It kinda sounds like there may be no income cap for 2022 as well because Maybe this time around I will remember the guideline so I can explain it. I think Dr. Poon explained it fairly well about it only costing 50 euro and the USA putting people in jail for having sex. It kinda sounds like a reactionary hive mentality to say it is expensive. There is also the thing I see where if someone doesn't follow the same rules everyone wants the person to eat shit and die.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2731513]It is based on 400% of the federal poverty level which is approximately $55,000. For at least two years it had no income cap. It kinda sounds like there may be no income cap for 2022 as well because Maybe this time around I will remember the guideline so I can explain it. I think Dr. Poon explained it fairly well about it only costing 50 euro and the USA putting people in jail for having sex. It kinda sounds like a reactionary hive mentality to say it is expensive. There is also the thing I see where if someone doesn't follow the same rules everyone wants the person to eat shit and die.[/QUOTE]Per Healthcare. Gov.

[QUOTE]Income between 100% and 400% FPL: If your income is in this range, in all states you qualify for premium tax credits that lower your monthly premium for a Marketplace health insurance plan.

[url]https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/premium-tax-credit/[/url]

[/QUOTE]That means 100-400% of poverty line and you get a reduction in premiums, not free insurance. Some states like Massachusetts will fill in the gaps, but North Carolina or any other southern state is certainly not one of them.

My first instinct and combined with 15 years in healthcare is that the original claim is fabricated.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2730722]
Miami Beach is supposed to be a very expensive place to live. [/QUOTE]It's a very nice place to holiday (except ca couple of weeks with a certain clientele) but living there without speaking Spanish or having attended the local bar mitzvahs would be difficult I think.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2731513]It is based on 400% of the federal poverty level which is approximately $55,000. For at least two years it had no income cap. It kinda sounds like there may be no income cap for 2022 as well because Maybe this time around I will remember the guideline so I can explain it. I think Dr. Poon explained it fairly well about it only costing 50 euro and the USA putting people in jail for having sex. It kinda sounds like a reactionary hive mentality to say it is expensive. There is also the thing I see where if someone doesn't follow the same rules everyone wants the person to eat shit and die.[/QUOTE]These poverty and in some case the greed of wanting more than they can live lead to some stunner level girls to end up in FKK front of us monger sucking our dick, licking our ass and getting fucked in multiple most dirty ways LOL! But hey, it is the capitalistic system that legally allow this and ain't it great LOL!

[QUOTE=Ararat;2731633]It's a very nice place to holiday (except ca couple of weeks with a certain clientele) but living there without speaking Spanish or having attended the local bar mitzvahs would be difficult I think.[/QUOTE]Without speaking Spanish in USA LOL! That shows the state of emergency USA is in right now, they should change now or in 100 years USA will be part of South America LOL! But this is not funny at all!

Open border should have its limit!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2731482]He wasn't prosecuted for having sex. He was prosecuted for [B]rape[/B], which happens not to be the same thing. And I say that without passing any judgment on the merits of the case. It's just the facts about what got him into hot water. There's always the statute of limitations on prosecutions, but I guess that wasn't hit and / or may not have applied at all (sometimes it doesn't). I don't know exactly what the law is in the jurisdiction that came after him. But when they did it wasn't simply for having sex. Come on man![/QUOTE]There is no statute of limitations on sex crimes which basically means a girl from 30 years ago can allege a rape and you can be locked up in the USA based on fake allegation.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2731485]Yes, but that is my question, why were they there? I mean spanish went there, but why Germans in Brazil and Argentina in first place?

It may have been civilized back then, but not any more in many part of south america! I wonder why they declined? US strategy after finding natural resources or just Latin mentality of being lazy and laid back too much?![/QUOTE]Germany was under sanctions from World War I. The times were tough in Germany until after World War II wherein Germany rebuilt back better and paved their streets with gold, abolished speed limits on same, and made it a haven for the hobby. All of Germans production and economy went into a short 4 day workweek, cars with messed up lugnuts, free healthcare, and free defense courtesy of the USA.

Of course modern day Germans have reaped the benefit from staying the course in Germany throughout tough times.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2731537]Per Healthcare. Gov.

That means 100-400% of poverty line and you get a reduction in premiums, not free insurance. Some states like Massachusetts will fill in the gaps, but North Carolina or any other southern state is certainly not one of them.

My first instinct and combined with 15 years in healthcare is that the original claim is fabricated.[/QUOTE]This may repeat because I lost another post I wrote. At 40,000 for an individual the subsidy is around $700 or more which pays for many plans 100%. I think that is indisputable. I don't mind explain it further or someone somehow showing me I am wrong. I made a long discourse about how people may perceive it a different way in the post that got lost.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2731956]This may repeat because I lost another post I wrote. At 40,000 for an individual the subsidy is around $700 or more which pays for many plans 100%. I think that is indisputable. I don't mind explain it further or someone somehow showing me I am wrong. I made a long discourse about how people may perceive it a different way in the post that got lost.[/QUOTE]There is no subsidy that pays $700 per month for a single person. And if $700 per year, that will not cover the cheapest Bronze plan of $150 per month which is $1800 per year. Meanwhile the average Bronze plan starts at $330 per month. Unless someone lives in a state with heavy state subsidies which there only a few (Massachusetts, Hawaii, Maryland, Connecticut, New Jersey, California,) then they are not getting 100% subsidized ACA health insurance without a disability or has a family with adult dependents when making above the federal poverty line. Some states may even temporarily subsidize a mother's health insurance during hardship, but certainly a single man making anything close to $50,000 per year will at least pay over $50 per month and that is being very generous with my estimate. Even back as a 29 year old graduate student with zero health problems who claimed $32,000 in part-time income, I was paying $125 per month after getting exercise and nonsmoker credits.

Something about these claims seem very suspicious.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2731892]Without speaking Spanish in USA LOL! That shows the state of emergency USA is in right now, they should change now or in 100 years USA will be part of South America LOL! But this is not funny at all!

Open border should have its limit![/QUOTE]That was a bit of an exaggeration. While Spanish is prevalent in US territories close to the border and in South Florida, English is still by far the predominant language. You would have no issues in Miami speaking only English outside of areas that are not poor, immigrant neighborhoods.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2731893]There is no statute of limitations on sex crimes which basically means a girl from 30 years ago can allege a rape and you can be locked up in the USA based on fake allegation.[/QUOTE]My God you could at least just do [B]a little bit[/B] of research before posting!

[URL]https://www.rainn.org/state-state-guide-statutes-limitations[/URL]

So, what do you all think of The Great Reset (ref wef), and the plan to have people have sex in the metaverse by 2030 instead of in the real world? Also mentioned by Ray Kurzweil in the past.

Think they can make that deadline?

Basically, we need to be chipped by then. Willingly or not. Cause a full dive simulation is the only logical thing that can / will work. Ala the matrix.

I am currently watching Westworld (great show) on hbo, and I love the setting. But it is interesting plotlines here. Will it all be about control like in westworld?

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2731977]There is no subsidy that pays $700 per month for a single person. And if $700 per year, that will not cover the cheapest Bronze plan of $150 per month which is $1800 per year. Meanwhile the average Bronze plan starts at $330 per month. Unless someone lives in a state with heavy state subsidies which there only a few (Massachusetts, Hawaii, Maryland, Connecticut, New Jersey, California,) then they are not getting 100% subsidized ACA health insurance without a disability or has a family with adult dependents when making above the federal poverty line. Some states may even temporarily subsidize a mother's health insurance during hardship, but certainly a single man making anything close to $50,000 per year will at least pay over $50 per month and that is being very generous with my estimate. Even back as a 29 year old graduate student with zero health problems who claimed $32,000 in part-time income, I was paying $125 per month after getting exercise and nonsmoker credits.

Something about these claims seem very suspicious.[/QUOTE]If you are so sure of that then it must get increased after a certain age which is certainly welcomed.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2731977]There is no subsidy that pays $700 per month for a single person. And if $700 per year, that will not cover the cheapest Bronze plan of $150 per month which is $1800 per year. Meanwhile the average Bronze plan starts at $330 per month. Unless someone lives in a state with heavy state subsidies which there only a few (Massachusetts, Hawaii, Maryland, Connecticut, New Jersey, California,) then they are not getting 100% subsidized ACA health insurance without a disability or has a family with adult dependents when making above the federal poverty line. Some states may even temporarily subsidize a mother's health insurance during hardship, but certainly a single man making anything close to $50,000 per year will at least pay over $50 per month and that is being very generous with my estimate. Even back as a 29 year old graduate student with zero health problems who claimed $32,000 in part-time income, I was paying $125 per month after getting exercise and nonsmoker credits.

Something about these claims seem very suspicious.[/QUOTE]This is just a side note but if the federal government did away with the income cap for two years doesn't that mean everyone got it for free that was enrolled for those years? That is something you see on the website to determine I did not fabricate it.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2732053]This is just a side note but if the federal government did away with the income cap for two years doesn't that mean everyone got it for free that was enrolled for those years? That is something you see on the website to determine I did not fabricate it.[/QUOTE]I think I have answered my own question with this. If you say not everyone can qualify for it being free, then lack of an income cap would only increase their subsidy to a level which doesn't pay for their insurance in full. I still don't completely believe that.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2731899]Germany was under sanctions from World War I. The times were tough in Germany until after World War II wherein Germany rebuilt back better and paved their streets with gold, abolished speed limits on same, and made it a haven for the hobby. All of Germans production and economy went into a short 4 day workweek, cars with messed up lugnuts, free healthcare, and free defense courtesy of the USA.

Of course modern day Germans have reaped the benefit from staying the course in Germany throughout tough times.[/QUOTE]Well Germany should be number 4 in the world, it is USA first then Japan second till here as Trump said and this is what Washington DC is thinking, then I would throw in UK as second, but economically it is smaller than Japan by about 20%, so UK third, then after should be Germany, but German always do crazy ideal like going to close to China and messed up and realize they should be back to more west, then they go near Russia then they messed up now again and they want to be back with west again, I mean German always try some stupid shit with Red nations, which is real? As it never will or never worked!

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2731979]That was a bit of an exaggeration. While Spanish is prevalent in US territories close to the border and in South Florida, English is still by far the predominant language. You would have no issues in Miami speaking only English outside of areas that are not poor, immigrant neighborhoods.[/QUOTE]USA should speak English as that is universal language and maximum consider the language of Native indian people, but that is not logical, so just English is fine as that is set language for USA and should be for the world!

The biggest mistake of this world in recent history for USA to lose the grip of Strong America policy! USA should be the domination of the world and USA is fair enough nation if they respect the nation and trust the nation, but lately USA is USA anymore with all this softcore bullshits!

US military should run the congress!

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2732041]If you are so sure of that then it must get increased after a certain age which is certainly welcomed.[/QUOTE]I was being somewhat polite as I am completely sure you are fabricating. Even asked the hospital social worker / case manager and she's calling bullshit on the claim. And even during the 2 years of pandemic, there was no rise in income cap besides normal inflationary increases. Grace period for paying premiums were extended. Special enrollment periods were created for people who lost insurance due to job loss. But no huge rise in cap and no new free insurance, only free covid related care.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2731502]Ethiopian / Eritrean, Somalian, and even Kenyan (Rift Valley) Africans are quite different than Nigerian, Ghana, or Cameroonian (Sub-Saharan) Africans. For my taste, some of the most beautiful faces in the world come from Ethiopia and Eritrea. Some of those women have the most perfect facial bone structures with bright eyes. The tendency to have larger teeth however can sometimes mess it up.[/QUOTE]Yes, Ethiopian, well some of them have more structured face that is more to my liking! They look kind of half white and half African girl, but their skin tone bit darker, the stunner level one maybe hard to find of such type, but I will keep my eyes open for it!

As I mentioned, I only went with one African mixed stunner one time, she was half German white and half African nation somewhere that I do not remember, but wow she was a exotic beauty! The same go with half arab and half white! I must say half white half something do bring out top exotic stunner that their face is beyond this world beauty sometimes!

Other times, I stick to my white stunner girls collections from west to eastern europe though LOL!

Oh I fucked the best and will be keep on fucking the best looking girls around the world LOL! This is not just the hobby, it is the life style LOL!

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2732055]I think I have answered my own question with this. If you say not everyone can qualify for it being free, then lack of an income cap would only increase their subsidy to a level which doesn't pay for their insurance in full. I still don't completely believe that.[/QUOTE]All one has to do is consider the logical bullshit sniff test. Claim that annual income under $50 K affords free ACA marketplace health insurance while median individual income in USA is $44 K. Yeah, if that were the case, we wouldn't be having so many low income people who are uninsured.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2731278]The USA will put people in jail for sex, and thus it is cheaper to have sex in Germany at 50 euros each as compared to the USA.

Loot at the case of Ron J. Who in the porn industry was prosecuted 20 years after the fact![/QUOTE]In the US a man can have a lot of sex if he is a celebrity (Elvis Presley, Wilt Chamberlin, Charlie Sheen) or a porn star (John Holmes, Ron Jeremy, Peter North). In my 20's I realized I could not be a celebrity so thought of being a porn star. Decided to go for an interview but chickened out at the last minute, thought about my family, relatives, etc.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2732346]In the US a man can have a lot of sex if he is a celebrity (Elvis Presley, Wilt Chamberlin, Charlie Sheen) or a porn star (John Holmes, Ron Jeremy, Peter North). In my 20's I realized I could not be a celebrity so thought of being a porn star. Decided to go for an interview but chickened out at the last minute, thought about my family, relatives, etc.[/QUOTE]The things we can learn about others here. I never thought about being in porn, but what I did think about was how I could fuck as many hot girls as they were, especially in the ass hahaha! You made the right decision. And, we both found other ways hehehe!

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2732073]I was being somewhat polite as I am completely sure you are fabricating. Even asked the hospital social worker / case manager and she's calling bullshit on the claim. And even during the 2 years of pandemic, there was no rise in income cap besides normal inflationary increases. Grace period for paying premiums were extended. Special enrollment periods were created for people who lost insurance due to job loss. But no huge rise in cap and no new free insurance, only free covid related care.[/QUOTE]Well you can tell her she is wrong. The American Rescue Act of 2031 increased the income cap. Also I have determined you are wrong about ACA not covering the cost of insurance in full. I am posting a link that says a lot of things related to it but supposedly the cost of a silver plan for everyone making less than 150% of the federal poverty level is covered according to the Kaiser institute. I personally see no need for a silver plan so the the number is higher than 150%.

[URL]https://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/ten-changes-to-watch-in-open-enrollment-2022/[/URL]

Im sure there are better articles or links to prove what I say but this one would get someone started.

Not only is my health insurance free they send me a refund on my free health insurance if the insurance company makes too much money.

They pay me to have insurance.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2732374]Well you can tell her she is wrong. The American Rescue Act of 2031 increased the income cap. Also I have determined you are wrong about ACA not covering the cost of insurance in full. I am posting a link that says a lot of things related to it but supposedly the cost of a silver plan for everyone making less than 150% of the federal poverty level is covered according to the Kaiser institute. I personally see no need for a silver plan so the the number is higher than 150%.

[URL]https://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/ten-changes-to-watch-in-open-enrollment-2022/[/URL]

Im sure there are better articles or links to prove what I say but this one would get someone started.[/QUOTE]My claim:

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2731117]To get free insurance at the federal level, that generally means an income of less than $13,000 and that only started during the pandemic.[/QUOTE]Your article says this:

[QUOTE] The dollar amount of premium tax credits increased and now fully cover the cost of enrolling in the benchmark silver plan for consumers with income up to 150% FPL. [/QUOTE]So the difference is that free insurance covers individuals making less than $20 K.

For individuals above 150%:

[QUOTE]ARPA also extended eligibility for premium tax credits to reach people with income over 400% FPL ($51,520 for a single person in 2022, $87,840 for family of 3). Now these consumers must contribute no more than 8.5% of income[/QUOTE]This means no free insurance for anyone making anywhere near the $40 K mark and certainly not the $100 K that you also claimed.

There is no reference to the Bronze plan because nothing has changed with it.

Too many false claims and misinformation.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2731979]That was a bit of an exaggeration. While Spanish is prevalent in US territories close to the border and in South Florida, English is still by far the predominant language. You would have no issues in Miami speaking only English outside of areas that are not poor, immigrant neighborhoods.[/QUOTE]The 'problem' with Miami is most areas are poor immigrant areas unless they're rich immigrant areas. Latin Americans are perhaps two thirds of the resident population and Haitians are a significant part of the black population. Miami Beach has lots of Jews.

So whilst I would agree with you about being able to use English everywhere I still would question how integrated you would be without Spanish or being Jewish (or Haitian.).

Granted, my experiences with Miami are mostly from Miami Beach and Brickell but even there Spanish is the de facto dominant language. YMMV of course.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2732374]Not only is my health insurance free they send me a refund on my free health insurance if the insurance company makes too much money.

They pay me to have insurance.[/QUOTE]Well if that is true, then you must report an income of less than $20,600 per year, claim dependents / spouse, or have a disability.

This free insurance for $40 K and $100 K earners remains nonsense misinformation.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2732380]My claim:

Your article says this:

So the difference is that free insurance covers individuals making less than $20 K.

For individuals above 150%:

This means no free insurance for anyone making anywhere near the $40 K mark and certainly not the $100 K that you also claimed.

There is no reference to the Bronze plan because nothing has changed with it.

Too many false claims and misinformation.[/QUOTE]What possible reason could I have for making it up? You know the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 affects the subsidies until 2025. You are the guy saying there has been no change to them. There was in fact a Pandemic Recovery Act of 2021 and someone with an income of over $100,000 still got subsidies. You are the one in error. I don't even think you know how it works. You make a good faith estimate of your income every year unless you let it carry over and your subsidy is based on your estimate applied to your chosen plan. You can choose any of the different levels. You can choose Bronze, Silver or Gold. I actually think you are playing with me or someone is trying to collect data. The plan is irrelevant to the subsidy. It is baffling that you think I am fabricating it.

In short, HMO's and "non-profits" like Kaiser make obscene return on capital once all the accounting tricks are stripped bare. It is designed to fleece the population. Key to this is lack of pricing data by the medical profession, until recently, preventing Medicare as a bulk buyer negotiating prices on drugs (taxpayers held down and raped). It is also done by pretending employees with "free" healthcare, but really means they get lower wages times exponential compounding interest over their lifetime. It is one giant sucking sound with a variety of actors and supported by the collective voting of bought of local two-party franchise owners, known as congress critters.

The tax subsidies and games merely disguises the true costs to the community. As much as I despise the man, Trump forced by presidential decree for hospitals to disclose their costs for cash payers, bullshit retail list prices and what the insurers actually pay (google hospital transparency and Trump). This reveals up to 2,000% price variations for the same treatment in the same hospital and makes it clear the medical profession games insurers and patients alike with opportunistic, opaque pricing and padded bills. If you look at health care in the USA as GDP to other countries you can see how bad the parasitic load is. As an investment, these HMO's companies are great, albeit immoral. The optimal play is medical tourism and making sure you have asset protection in the event of a catastrophic medical bill. Or live in a civilized country where health care is as much as part of being a citizen as critical services like police, roads and being able to go about life. Only in America is it marketed for fun and profit, though changing demographics, like the wholesale loss of jobs with benefits can dent it.

By the way, the HMO's are steadily reducing the white coats pricing power, many of whom are effectively in gig work contracts. You should see some of the non-public investor presentations and analyst work. The real winners are stockholders, and if you look at the dividends and capital gains over the last 5 years you will get it. Obamacare was the greatest gift to HMO's that ever happened, I have no idea why republicans would oppose making $ for stockholders other than putting on a fake show. Trump did the transparency to shaft the hospitals pricing power and reward the big money. Good on him. Worked for me.

Still good buying I might add.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2732403]Well if that is true, then you must report an income of less than $20,600 per year, claim dependents / spouse, or have a disability.

This free insurance for $40 K and $100 K earners remains nonsense misinformation.[/QUOTE]Wrong, I would think someone would able to fact check whether it was possible to earn $100,000 and get a subsidy in 2020 or 2021. The person to ask would probably be an accountant. Anybody an accountant?

If you financially need to worry about government handouts and games then you not be engaging in this expensive hobby. There are plenty of low class people that own a vagina easily bought for a few drinks by a half presentable man with basic manners. They live in a sea of losers. Just avoid any commitment.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2732502]If you financially need to worry about government handouts and games then you not be engaging in this expensive hobby. There are plenty of low class people that own a vagina easily bought for a few drinks by a half presentable man with basic manners. They live in a sea of losers. Just avoid any commitment.[/QUOTE]Mongering is a real immune booster for me as it makes me feel amazing, it is stress relief, self esteem strengthening, raise my good life awareness that I am grateful for, make me feel alive and also above all, it make my immune system so strong as I lick stunner anal, pussy, drink their pussy juice, they spit in my mouth among other liquid bacteria exchanging that such dirty acts between human make ones immune system stronger LOL! It makes you sick, but if you survive out of that sickness or flu, it makes your immune system stronger anyways LOL!

This is all true scientifically LOL!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2732499]In short, HMO's and "non-profits" like Kaiser make obscene return on capital once all the accounting tricks are stripped bare. It is designed to fleece the population. Key to this is lack of pricing data by the medical profession, until recently, preventing Medicare as a bulk buyer negotiating prices on drugs (taxpayers held down and raped). It is also done by pretending employees with "free" healthcare, but really means they get lower wages times exponential compounding interest over their lifetime. It is one giant sucking sound with a variety of actors and supported by the collective voting of bought of local two-party franchise owners, known as congress critters.

The tax subsidies and games merely disguises the true costs to the community. As much as I despise the man, Trump forced by presidential decree for hospitals to disclose their costs for cash payers, bullshit retail list prices and what the insurers actually pay (google hospital transparency and Trump). This reveals up to 2,000% price variations for the same treatment in the same hospital and makes it clear the medical profession games insurers and patients alike with opportunistic, opaque pricing and padded bills. If you look at health care in the USA as GDP to other countries you can see how bad the parasitic load is. As an investment, these HMO's companies are great, albeit immoral. The optimal play is medical tourism and making sure you have asset protection in the event of a catastrophic medical bill. Or live in a civilized country where health care is as much as part of being a citizen as critical services like police, roads and being able to go about life. Only in America is it marketed for fun and profit, though changing demographics, like the wholesale loss of jobs with benefits can dent it..[/QUOTE]I agree with I denounce Trump as men and how he carry himself in public or how he conduct election campaign, but him in White House do accelerate many good thing whether it is in market or system, in society it is doubtful and divide people and also Trump put brake on a lot of bad things in the world like Ukraine would have never happened if Trump is in White House because people think Trump is nuts LOL! So they would wait till Trump is out of office till make some bad moves! Which is what happening right now around the world! He is disgusting as a man, but he is a good brake system for the world and accelerator!

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2732485]What possible reason could I have for making it up? You know the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 affects the subsidies until 2025. You are the guy saying there has been no change to them. There was in fact a Pandemic Recovery Act of 2021 and someone with an income of over $100,000 still got subsidies. You are the one in error. I don't even think you know how it works. You make a good faith estimate of your income every year unless you let it carry over and your subsidy is based on your estimate applied to your chosen plan. You can choose any of the different levels. You can choose Bronze, Silver or Gold. I actually think you are playing with me or someone is trying to collect data. The plan is irrelevant to the subsidy. It is baffling that you think I am fabricating it.[/QUOTE]Who knows why people fabricate things but I do know that there is no such thing as Pandemic Recovery Act of 2021.20 K-ish income for free insurance and 55 K-ish income for subsidized insurance at the Federal level.

Like I said, basic sniff tests would anyone that the federal government isn't giving free insurance to someone making $50 K which is above the national median income.

If you can get this free insurance you speak of, or 100 K income subsidies, I have hundreds of uninsured lower income patients that would love to be connected to your magical connection.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2732502]If you financially need to worry about government handouts and games then you not be engaging in this expensive hobby. There are plenty of low class people that own a vagina easily bought for a few drinks by a half presentable man with basic manners. They live in a sea of losers. Just avoid any commitment.[/QUOTE]I don't think it is expensive.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2732389]The 'problem' with Miami is most areas are poor immigrant areas unless they're rich immigrant areas. Latin Americans are perhaps two thirds of the resident population and Haitians are a significant part of the black population. Miami Beach has lots of Jews.

So whilst I would agree with you about being able to use English everywhere I still would question how integrated you would be without Spanish or being Jewish (or Haitian.).

Granted, my experiences with Miami are mostly from Miami Beach and Brickell but even there Spanish is the de facto dominant language. YMMV of course.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think about two-thirds of Miami city proper identify as Hispanic. But when you move past central Miami to Coconut Grove-BiscayneCoral Gables-Fort Lauderdale, it becomes more non-Hispanic white, closer to 50% in those other areas. It's kind of like if you took the demographics of Chicago or Atlanta city proper, it would be mostly black, but when considering the entire Metro area of those cities, they are majority white metro areas.

But yeah, Latin culture is prevalent and you can hear Latin music everywhere; yet I would say strolling along Washington Ave in Miami Beach, 2 out of 3 bars are playing popular English language music. Televisions are set to English speaking stations.

Side note, I always find it funny that Jewish is often classified as separate from white. I think nearly all non-Euro-Anglo-American people consider Jews outside of the indigenous Jews in Israel as Caucasian.

When is somebody going to start talking about some puss and ass up in here vice marginal tax rates and shit! Got dayum! Ha!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2732499]In short, HMO's and "non-profits" like Kaiser make obscene return on capital once all the accounting tricks are stripped bare. It is designed to fleece the population. Key to this is lack of pricing data by the medical profession, until recently, preventing Medicare as a bulk buyer negotiating prices on drugs (taxpayers held down and raped). It is also done by pretending employees with "free" healthcare, but really means they get lower wages times exponential compounding interest over their lifetime. It is one giant sucking sound with a variety of actors and supported by the collective voting of bought of local two-party franchise owners, known as congress critters.

The tax subsidies and games merely disguises the true costs to the community. As much as I despise the man, Trump forced by presidential decree for hospitals to disclose their costs for cash payers, bullshit retail list prices and what the insurers actually pay (google hospital transparency and Trump). This reveals up to 2,000% price variations for the same treatment in the same hospital and makes it clear the medical profession games insurers and patients alike with opportunistic, opaque pricing and padded bills. If you look at health care in the USA as GDP to other countries you can see how bad the parasitic load is. As an investment, these HMO's companies are great, albeit immoral. The optimal play is medical tourism and making sure you have asset protection in the event of a catastrophic medical bill. Or live in a civilized country where health care is as much as part of being a citizen as critical services like police, roads and being able to go about life. Only in America is it marketed for fun and profit, though changing demographics, like the wholesale loss of jobs with benefits can dent it.

By the way, the HMO's are steadily reducing the white coats pricing power, many of whom are effectively in gig work contracts. You should see some of the non-public investor presentations and analyst work. The real winners are stockholders, and if you look at the dividends and capital gains over the last 5 years you will get it. Obamacare was the greatest gift to HMO's that ever happened, I have no idea why republicans would oppose making $ for stockholders other than putting on a fake show. Trump did the transparency to shaft the hospitals pricing power and reward the big money. Good on him. Worked for me.

Still good buying I might add.[/QUOTE]Is this an exact copy of what you wrote last time? If you know so much why don't corroborate what I say. I can't imagine you made money holding stocks this year. If you are so rich why do you think prostitutes are expensive? I have done like a thousand. You must like to think your special and everyone else is shit. And spin that to yourself.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2732346]In the US a man can have a lot of sex if he is a celebrity (Elvis Presley, Wilt Chamberlin, Charlie Sheen) or a porn star (John Holmes, Ron Jeremy, Peter North). In my 20's I realized I could not be a celebrity so thought of being a porn star. Decided to go for an interview but chickened out at the last minute, thought about my family, relatives, etc.[/QUOTE]How did you find the interview to be Porn star? LOL! It is not something that you easily find on ad, at least the legit one!

Here, most of the cases, you begin porn actor career with so called sperm guys, who are responsible for jerking off only and do bukkake on girls, then you do gay porn to see if you can stand the toughness of porn shootings and also to see how much you want the job LOL! Then you move onto ugly girls for awhile, then you get to fuck stunner level girls LOL! They do not want some young guys coming in for good fuck then leave situation, so they test you to see this is what you really want as career in long term!

It is good to do POV porn site though! I wonder how that can work? You call who to book girls for shooting bareback?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2732579]How did you find the interview to be Porn star? LOL! It is not something that you easily find on ad, at least the legit one!

Here, most of the cases, you begin porn actor career with so called sperm guys, who are responsible for jerking off only and do bukkake on girls, then you do gay porn to see if you can stand the toughness of porn shootings and also to see how much you want the job LOL! Then you move onto ugly girls for awhile, then you get to fuck stunner level girls LOL! They do not want some young guys coming in for good fuck then leave situation, so they test you to see this is what you really want as career in long term!

It is good to do POV porn site though! I wonder how that can work? You call who to book girls for shooting bareback?[/QUOTE]One rumor is that most of the male pornstars in the US often get started doing gay porn first. Hah, not worth it!

When I was in college, there was a website called CollegeFuckFest. They started with recruiting normal college girls and guys and film them fucking at college parties with 50 people watching and partying. Eventually they would bring up and coming pornstars and just recruit the guys. One episode was filmed at my apartment and my roommate ended up fucking Tori Black back before she got famous. College, fun times.

I'm sorry to ask this kind of question while you are talking about political things but I really needed your help.

I love erotic massages and the best city in Europe for erotic massage was "Prague" for me. (they offer various massages with reasonable price.)

Is there anyone who can recommend me a city like Prague for erotic massages?

I see a lot of guys posting on all the FKK club pages about the rates going up to 100/30. Can you guys that are bitching about this get a reality check? The standard rate across most clubs was 50/30 for many years so it had to go up some time, what did you expect, 50 plus inflation so maybe 65/30? How many of you guys bitching have not had an annual pay rise or increase outside of that? Exactly. Yes, Siri, I know some clubs are 60/30 still or whatever, I am just generalizing on the rate.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2732389]The 'problem' with Miami is most areas are poor immigrant areas unless they're rich immigrant areas. Latin Americans are perhaps two thirds of the resident population and Haitians are a significant part of the black population. Miami Beach has lots of Jews.

So whilst I would agree with you about being able to use English everywhere I still would question how integrated you would be without Spanish or being Jewish (or Haitian.).

Granted, my experiences with Miami are mostly from Miami Beach and Brickell but even there Spanish is the de facto dominant language. YMMV of course.[/QUOTE]For sure, better to speak Spanish than English in Miami downtown. I remember on 1996, police stopped me and forbade me to drive. Land for Puerto Ricans who were prettier than fat Americans. No Pamela Anderson seen on Miami beach or streets, but fatties, normal told hotel desk: She is from Vancouver. Even in Vegas, I was disappointed by looks on strip, in hotels or casinos. I understand why US are not demanding after little Romanians.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2732499]In short, HMO's and "non-profits" like Kaiser make obscene return on capital once all the accounting tricks are stripped bare. It is designed to fleece the population. Key to this is lack of pricing data by the medical profession, until recently, preventing Medicare as a bulk buyer negotiating prices on drugs (taxpayers held down and raped). It is also done by pretending employees with "free" healthcare, but really means they get lower wages times exponential compounding interest over their lifetime. It is one giant sucking sound with a variety of actors and supported by the collective voting of bought of local two-party franchise owners, known as congress critters.

The tax subsidies and games merely disguises the true costs to the community. As much as I despise the man, Trump forced by presidential decree for hospitals to disclose their costs for cash payers, bullshit retail list prices and what the insurers actually pay (google hospital transparency and Trump). This reveals up to 2,000% price variations for the same treatment in the same hospital and makes it clear the medical profession games insurers and patients alike with opportunistic, opaque pricing and padded bills. If you look at health care in the USA as GDP to other countries you can see how bad the parasitic load is. As an investment, these HMO's companies are great, albeit immoral. The optimal play is medical tourism and making sure you have asset protection in the event of a catastrophic medical bill. Or live in a civilized country where health care is as much as part of being a citizen as critical services like police, roads and being able to go about life. Only in America is it marketed for fun and profit, though changing demographics, like the wholesale loss of jobs with benefits can dent it..[/QUOTE]You guys in USA are lucky bunch because Marijuanna is legal in many states and wow you got some powerful THC potent weed there, you smoke that nature given herb, then all will be good LOL! Lucky you!

[QUOTE=Abox79;2732708]I see a lot of guys posting on all the FKK club pages about the rates going up to 100/30. Can you guys that are bitching about this get a reality check? The standard rate across most clubs was 50/30 for many years so it had to go up some time, what did you expect, 50 plus inflation so maybe 65/30? How many of you guys bitching have not had an annual pay rise or increase outside of that? Exactly. Yes, Siri, I know some clubs are 60/30 still or whatever, I am just generalizing on the rate.[/QUOTE]Don't see many people complaining about a 60 to 65 per 30 rate. 100 per 30 however is double the previous rate. That's a ridiculous price hike and seems like a worthy gripe.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2732746]You guys in USA are lucky bunch because Marijuanna is legal in many states and wow you got some powerful THC potent weed there, you smoke that nature given herb, then all will be good LOL! Lucky you![/QUOTE]I would think the strains are worldwide where it is allowed to be grown. I would think Germany has it good being next to the Netherlands. I find it interesting how Thailand is making it legal and the approach to legalizing it there. That seems to be a few steps above the USA.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2732853]I would think the strains are worldwide where it is allowed to be grown. I would think Germany has it good being next to the Netherlands. I find it interesting how Thailand is making it legal and the approach to legalizing it there. That seems to be a few steps above the USA.[/QUOTE]Smoked herb from all over the world and despite having a soft spot for Amsterdam, you'll find nothing as potent as what you find in Colorado. The Dutch have an affinity for natural and old school lower THC herb which some may say holds them back. Colorado staying true to American go-big-or-go-home capitalism has no aversion to extreme engineering and in recent years has elevated the global industry above any other region.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2732499]In short, HMO's and "non-profits" like Kaiser make obscene return on capital once all the accounting tricks are stripped bare. It is designed to fleece the population. Key to this is lack of pricing data by the medical profession, until recently, preventing Medicare as a bulk buyer negotiating prices on drugs (taxpayers held down and raped). It is also done by pretending employees with "free" healthcare, but really means they get lower wages times exponential compounding interest over their lifetime. It is one giant sucking sound with a variety of actors and supported by the collective voting of bought of local two-party franchise owners, known as congress critters.

The tax subsidies and games merely disguises the true costs to the community. As much as I despise the man, Trump forced by presidential decree for hospitals to disclose their costs for cash payers, bullshit retail list prices and what the insurers actually pay (google hospital transparency and Trump). This reveals up to 2,000% price variations for the same treatment in the same hospital and makes it clear the medical profession games insurers and patients alike with[/QUOTE]Nothing about America can be described as efficient, every aspect of healthcare included. However, our inefficient shotgun approach has led to the greatest advancements despite its inefficiencies. We end up paying for those losses and the world piggybacks off of those losses. Our problem is not merely bad healthcare options or lack availability, it is a problem of healthcare distribution and accessibility. And obviously also lifestyle choices.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2732711]For sure, better to speak Spanish than English in Miami downtown. I remember on 1996, police stopped me and forbade me to drive. Land for Puerto Ricans who were prettier than fat Americans. No Pamela Anderson seen on Miami beach or streets, but fatties, normal told hotel desk: She is from Vancouver. Even in Vegas, I was disappointed by looks on strip, in hotels or casinos. I understand why US are not demanding after little Romanians.[/QUOTE]Puerto Ricans are American citizens. They live in a territory of the USA and can go back and forth and live in any part of the USA but they can only vote in federal elections if they live in the 50 states or District of Columbia.

Also why did they forbid you to drive since one can drive with a French drivers license in the USA and in fact many people drive without a license in sanctuary cities which Miami has now become.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2732708]I see a lot of guys posting on all the FKK club pages about the rates going up to 100/30. Can you guys that are bitching about this get a reality check? The standard rate across most clubs was 50/30 for many years so it had to go up some time, what did you expect, 50 plus inflation so maybe 65/30? How many of you guys bitching have not had an annual pay rise or increase outside of that? Exactly. Yes, Siri, I know some clubs are 60/30 still or whatever, I am just generalizing on the rate.[/QUOTE]Go to Aphrodisia for 280/30 or Babylon Vienna for around 500/60 , when I have my best value girl on this year, lovely kind German without silicon and no big tattoes, now for 200/120 to really enjoy with her showering me squirting and we laugh so much while our game, or a great Hungarian woman for 80/60 , both on higher level for very intimate love sex than at Globe. Best girls are not for the most expensive. At Aphrodisia or Babylon, most of what You pay is for club, when girls don t get more than 150 for first hour, out of extra. For those looking for cocaine, Aphrodisia and Zurich are the place.

What I wrote is the basic power play reality, not a dissertation or the many tax distortions, deliberately broken price signals and the sheer complexity to disguise the reality and the money trail.

Only fools play with stocks alone, and even more foolish without currency and other hedges that any half baked professional uses. Currencies, swaps, futures, unlisted entities and derivatives all come into play as does shorting, betting on black swans and most of all, PATIENCE. The game is 10 year compound return curves, or at least it is for the serious money. Virtually all of the retail "investment" space is as nutritious as a drive through McDonalds. Same concept: lack of deferred gratification by users, ignorance of what they are buying and too lazy to shop around and compare. Entire industries depend on the mass trend of suckers and people acting against economic self interest. Religion is another tool to con the population and vast oceans of bullshit everywhere. The left and right spot utter crap, too emotionally invested in culture wars and tribalism past its use by date.

One of the reasons I am on this board is that conventional, Hollywood fairy tale romance is a terrible trade. Divorce is even worse. If it flies, floats or fucks, rent, don't buy. Banging beautiful young women at their prime, before they get old, fat, ugly, bitter and / or cynical (this applies to men by the way) is a far better payoff.

That and exercise, staying off tobacco, booze and crap food (85% of American supermarkets). Daily BJ works for me.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2732853]I would think the strains are worldwide where it is allowed to be grown. I would think Germany has it good being next to the Netherlands. I find it interesting how Thailand is making it legal and the approach to legalizing it there. That seems to be a few steps above the USA.[/QUOTE]No, not really, but in NRW you can take a train to Venlo and there is coffeeshop there! Thailand did great turn around when it comes to weed, it must be that new king LOL!

I do not smoke anymore though, but I would daily at night time only if I live in legalized nation! I do think it is a great herb, not drug, alcohol is much worst drug than weed!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2732933]What I wrote is the basic power play reality, not a dissertation or the many tax distortions, deliberately broken price signals and the sheer complexity to disguise the reality and the money trail.

Only fools play with stocks alone, and even more foolish without currency and other hedges that any half baked professional uses. Currencies, swaps, futures, unlisted entities and derivatives all come into play as does shorting, betting on black swans and most of all, PATIENCE. The game is 10 year compound return curves, or at least it is for the serious money. Virtually all of the retail "investment" space is as nutritious as a drive through McDonalds. Same concept: lack of deferred gratification by users, ignorance of what they are buying and too lazy to shop around and compare. Entire industries depend on the mass trend of suckers and people acting against economic self interest. Religion is another tool to con the population and vast oceans of bullshit everywhere. The left and right spot utter crap, too emotionally invested in culture wars and tribalism past its use by date.

One of the reasons I am on this board is that conventional, Hollywood fairy tale romance is a terrible trade. Divorce is even worse. If it flies, floats or fucks, rent, don't buy. Banging beautiful young women at their prime, before they get old, fat, ugly, bitter and / or cynical (this applies to men by the way) is a far better payoff.[/QUOTE]If it flies, floats or fucks, rent, don't buy. Banging beautiful young women at their prime, before they get old, fat, ugly, bitter and / or cynical (this applies to men by the way) is a far better payoff.

Very well said, somehow women get worst as they get older inside out! Fucked up hormones it must be!

But humanity is smart, so prostitution is getting better and better in quality than it has ever been!

Words changed suitable to the hobby and aimed at the typical American cock carousel female:

You don't own me.
I'm not just one of your many boys.
You don't own me.
Don't say I can't go with other girls.

And don't tell me what to do.
Don't tell me what to say.
And please, when I go out with you.
Don't stop me eying other girls 'cause

You don't own me.
Don't try to change me in any way.
You don't own me.
Don't tie me down 'cause I'd never stay.

I don't tell you what to say.
I don't tell you what to do.
So just let me be myself.
That's all I ask of you.

I'm a man, and I love to be one.
I'm free, and I love to be free.
To live my life the way I want.
To say and do whatever I please.

Long live sex drive, life energy and force and beautiful young women for us !

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2732942]Words changed suitable to the hobby and aimed at the typical American cock carousel female:

You don't own me.
I'm not just one of your many boys.
You don't own me.
Don't say I can't go with other girls.

And don't tell me what to do.
Don't tell me what to say.
And please, when I go out with you.
Don't stop me eying other girls 'cause

You don't own me.
Don't try to change me in any way.
You don't own me.
Don't tie me down 'cause I'd never stay.

I don't tell you what to say.
I don't tell you what to do.
So just let me be myself.
That's all I ask of you.

I'm a man, and I love to be one.
I'm free, and I love to be free.
To live my life the way I want.
To say and do whatever I please.

Long live sex drive, life energy and force and beautiful young women for us ![/QUOTE]May for be with mongers LOL!

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2732866]Nothing about America can be described as efficient, every aspect of healthcare included. However, our inefficient shotgun approach has led to the greatest advancements despite its inefficiencies. We end up paying for those losses and the world piggybacks off of those losses. Our problem is not merely bad healthcare options or lack availability, it is a problem of healthcare distribution and accessibility. And obviously also lifestyle choices.[/QUOTE]Why do you think American diet got as bad as you claim it is?

For instance, Germany has horrible food traditionally, it is mostly meat based and a lot are process meats such as sausages and ham accompanied with mashed potato kinda thing with beer always beer, so that is also very poor choice of food, but somehow they are not as, actually German older people are mostly fat too LOL! Just not balloon level like in USA!

Either way, one should control diet after age 30 or max 35 !

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2732598]One rumor is that most of the male pornstars in the US often get started doing gay porn first. Hah, not worth it!

When I was in college, there was a website called CollegeFuckFest. They started with recruiting normal college girls and guys and film them fucking at college parties with 50 people watching and partying. Eventually they would bring up and coming pornstars and just recruit the guys. One episode was filmed at my apartment and my roommate ended up fucking Tori Black back before she got famous. College, fun times.[/QUOTE]Yeah, some get lucky, but at least here many porn actors are tested first to see if you are in it for long haul and they earn quite well if you make it to be the famous one making about 400 USD per shoot and usually they do 2 or 3 shoots so if you push it, you make about 800 to 1200 usd per day and work mostly everyday! Somehow there are very limited number of male porn actors so the demand is high, but low supply!

Porn industry seems fun, but it is not easy as it looks apparently! Well, I live better life sexually than porn actors anyways, the difference is I get to choose the only creme de la creme LOL!

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2732858]Smoked herb from all over the world and despite having a soft spot for Amsterdam, you'll find nothing as potent as what you find in Colorado. The Dutch have an affinity for natural and old school lower THC herb which some may say holds them back. Colorado staying true to American go-big-or-go-home capitalism has no aversion to extreme engineering and in recent years has elevated the global industry above any other region.[/QUOTE]I don't claim to be an expert on it but here is a mind experiment. If you told me the strain you were smoking in Colorado I could go on a different type of forum to determine whether I could possibly obtain that strain. I could theoretically grow and harvest that strain to a higher THC level than a Colorado corporation. I hear people say dispensary weed is horrible. I imagine you were smoking dispensary weed. That would be a logical assumption. The stuff in a dispensary would not be a hard to obtain strain. I think maybe you can understand partly why I think your post is dumb. I don't mind anyone correcting my logic. It might be better in Colorado because it has a striving industry. I would buy that.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2732988]I don't claim to be an expert on it but here is a mind experiment. If you told me the strain you were smoking in Colorado I could go on a different type of forum to determine whether I could possibly obtain that strain. I could theoretically grow and harvest that strain to a higher THC level than a Colorado corporation. I hear people say dispensary weed is horrible. I imagine you were smoking dispensary weed. That would be a logical assumption. The stuff in a dispensary would not be a hard to obtain strain. I think maybe you can understand partly why I think your post is dumb. I don't mind anyone correcting my logic. It might be better in Colorado because it has a striving industry. I would buy that.[/QUOTE]There are vaporizer THC that is out of mind I heard, so I would not smoke it if I am in USA, I would vape THC LOL!

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2732988]I don't claim to be an expert on it but here is a mind experiment. If you told me the strain you were smoking in Colorado I could go on a different type of forum to determine whether I could possibly obtain that strain. I could theoretically grow and harvest that strain to a higher THC level than a Colorado corporation. I hear people say dispensary weed is horrible. I imagine you were smoking dispensary weed. That would be a logical assumption. The stuff in a dispensary would not be a hard to obtain strain. I think maybe you can understand partly why I think your post is dumb. I don't mind anyone correcting my logic. It might be better in Colorado because it has a striving industry. I would buy that.[/QUOTE]Well there is theory and what you hear and then there is real world experience. Can any strain grown in one place find its way to any other areas of the world in a global economy? Yes, most definitely. Can a hot Russian hooker find her way to Cambodia? Probably. Is there a hot Russian hooker scene in Cambodia? No so much.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2732988]It might be better in Colorado because it has a striving industry. I would buy that.[/QUOTE]That is literally the crux of my first post. But perhaps the term "American go-big-or-go-home capitalism" somehow did not translate to "thriving industry. " Not sure how, but apparently that was not communicated to your end.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2732858]Smoked herb from all over the world and despite having a soft spot for Amsterdam, you'll find nothing as potent as what you find in Colorado. The Dutch have an affinity for natural and old school lower THC herb which some may say holds them back. Colorado staying true to American go-big-or-go-home capitalism has no aversion to extreme engineering and in recent years has elevated the global industry above any other region.[/QUOTE]And others might say that beyond a certain level THC percentages aren't the be-all end-all.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisroberts/2020/06/16/science-reveals-the-cannabis-industrys-greatest-lie-youre-buying-weed-wrong-and-so-is-everyone-else/?sh=5cfb728c2ee3[/URL]

[QUOTE=Samplerr;2733020]And others might say that beyond a certain level THC percentages aren't the be-all end-all.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisroberts/2020/06/16/science-reveals-the-cannabis-industrys-greatest-lie-youre-buying-weed-wrong-and-so-is-everyone-else/?sh=5cfb728c2ee3[/URL][/QUOTE]You're right. But it definitely one pretty significant factor. So there's that.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2732993]Well there is theory and what you hear and then there is real world experience. Can any strain grown in one place find its way to any other areas of the world in a global economy? Yes, most definitely. Can a hot Russian hooker find her way to Cambodia? Probably. Is there a hot Russian hooker scene in Cambodia? No so much.[/QUOTE]It is a little more than theory. There are seed banks that ship internationally with seemingly impunity. There are individuals shipping seeds also. I also want to add that there is an element of marijuanna being able to be grown anywhere. The plants are far removed from their original birth places. The genes that create the autoflower varieties come from Russia.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2732999]That is literally the crux of my first post. But perhaps the term "American go-big-or-go-home capitalism" somehow did not translate to "thriving industry. " Not sure how, but apparently that was not communicated to your end.[/QUOTE]Your original post says extreme engineering along side American go-big-or-go-home capitalism. Extreme engineering with marijuana appears to be a slow process rather than go-big-or-go-home which implies something else. It's fine though I'm just sharing some thoughts. I certainly don't have an ego investment in this topic.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2733061]You original post says extreme engineering along side American go-big-or-go-home capitalism. Extreme engineering with marijuana appears to be a slow process rather than go-big-or-go-home which implies something else. It's fine though I'm just sharing some thoughts. I certainly don't have an ego investment in this topic.[/QUOTE]Slow process? 8 week plant life cycles? No man. You're reaching big time to win an argument.

Whilst dope may be OK for artsy-fartsy stuff and sloppy attribution metrics, in my experience it makes people daft, so let's not rationalize it as some passport to another dimension of IQ or creativity. The greats of the last few centuries Beethoven, Da Vinci, Dalton, Einstein and Feynmann (random sampling) did not start the day with THC. Being exceptional means exceptional devotion, drive and not fucking around with brain retarding drugs. The bullsiht and mystique of the 1960's is just that. The Paul Barans, Andy Grove, Lockheed Martin's Johnson Kelly and Warren Buffet did not futz about. Neither did Soros. I believe with daily BJs by beautiful young women they could have scaled new heights. Stay of the garbage, reject bad nutrition, bad doctors and the lies of the media. Everything about a good nights sleep, exercise, nutrition and working hard and diligently to pursue dreams is true. The bit I'd change is lots of breath taking beautiful young women that represent the vitality of life force and joy of having sex with them for inspiration and motivation.

Is rubbish. The Brits were highly advanced technologically and founding many stable countries centuries later including the USA. Indian math was about 1,000 years ahead of the west. America imported its rocket team from Germany just as it did with multiple Nobel prize winners and Einsten and a fair few movie stars. I'd call it more cunning and greed than some rugged "can-do" mythology. Sending ships in the 1600's to uncharted waters was the equivalent to a rocket to stars in terms of risk and practical issues like scurvy and clean water. Good luck on space colonization. One hard problem: radiation meets DNA. Ooops.

Legalizing our hobby made Germany a tourism destination and brought untold sexual pleasure to men at a competitive price with safe venues without shame. Who said the State has no role in a market economy? Contrast that with USA and its puritanical morality, police stings trashing liberty, etc. So much for "can do" and exceptionalism. And about the highest incarceration rate per capita. Dysfunctional comes to mind, but the petro dollar cures many sins you see.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2733095]Whilst dope may be OK for artsy-fartsy stuff and sloppy attribution metrics, in my experience it makes people daft, so let's not rationalize it as some passport to another dimension of IQ or creativity. The greats of the last few centenaries, Beethoven, the Vinci, Dalton, Einstein etc (random sampling) did not start the day with THC. Being exceptional means exceptional devotion, drive and not fucking around with brain retarding drugs. The bullsiht and mystique of the 1960's is just that. The Paul Barans, Andy Grove, Lockheed Martin's Johnson Kelly and Feynmann did not futz about. Neither did Soros. I believe with daily BJs by beautiful young women they could have scaled new heights. Stay of the garbage, reject bad nutrition, bad doctors and the lies of the media. Everything about a good nights sleep, exercise, nutrition and working hard and diligently to pursue dreams is true. The bit I'd change is lots of breath taking beautiful young women that represent the vitality of life force and joy of having sex with them.[/QUOTE]Back in my teen years like bit more than two decades ago now LOL I used to smoke good dope in Zurich as it was legal for few years back then, so I used to get real top of the range staff at the coffee shop like pharmacy there where they sell weed in showcases all legally LOL! I roll it, then smoke it looking at beautiful swiss nature, then off to escort or brothels (No globe back then), oh holly molly LOL! Those sexual experiences high out of mind with full sensation was to this day among the best sexual stimulation experiences I had in my life LOL!

I do that without weed now, but once it is legalize again, I will do the same! I used to buy weed from African herbal business men in the Parks in Berlin or took train to Venlo to buy weed and have amazing sex in FKK, but now I do it without weed and it is fine by me!

Sex on drug is something monger should experience as it does raise sensation to maximum level! It is science backed! Just some are legal and some are not, also depending on which nation you do it as well! Funny how it works!

Legalizing LSD and MDMA for medical use was hot topic during Davos economic forum, so legalizing many harmless drugs can be seen in let say 20 years time! I mean look at Thailand where it was famous for harsh punishment for weed is now moving to legalization of weed! So never say never!

Meanwhile, my biggest drug and drive is fucking beautiful girls around the world! Nothing ever will beat that! Never!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2733103]Legalizing our hobby made Germany a tourism destination and brought untold sexual pleasure to men at a competitive price with safe venues without shame. Who said the State has no role in a market economy? Contrast that with USA and its puritanical morality, police stings trashing liberty, etc. So much for "can do" and exceptionalism. And about the highest incarceration rate per capita. Dysfunctional comes to mind, but the petro dollar cures many sins you see.[/QUOTE]Somehow, we mongers are minority though, most guys just jerk off front of screen and occasionally they go for somehow more expensive, but very ugly old prostitute on the street or their shitty dirty local brothels! Most guys have blocked mind and they do not even do any deep research about it to embetter their sex life!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2732896]Puerto Ricans are American citizens. They live in a territory of the USA and can go back and forth and live in any part of the USA but they can only vote in federal elections if they live in the 50 states or District of Columbia.

Also why did they forbid you to drive since one can drive with a French drivers license in the USA and in fact many people drive without a license in sanctuary cities which Miami has now become.[/QUOTE]Puerto Rican women were prettier than mostly fatties, white and black, seen in Miami, Keys and Bahamas. As I was told Puerto Ricans were in downtown, but 2 police cars stopped me on first red light entering downtown, telling: Go away, you are in danger here, when many guys were looking. It was in 1996. I also remember a car full of weapons in back. No problem in Vegas downtown on 2008, nor in San Francisco, nor Phoenix. No problem in Salt Lake of course. No problem in Moscow nor Saint Petersburg I visited also at night.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2733103]Legalizing our hobby made Germany a tourism destination and brought untold sexual pleasure to men at a competitive price with safe venues without shame. Who said the State has no role in a market economy? Contrast that with USA and its puritanical morality, police stings trashing liberty, etc. So much for "can do" and exceptionalism. And about the highest incarceration rate per capita. Dysfunctional comes to mind, but the petro dollar cures many sins you see.[/QUOTE]It sound like Brazil and also German speaking part of Europe is best for brothel in the whole world! Why German speaking part tend to have liberal stance on brothel is yet mystery to me, but somehow they are liberal than they usually are when it comes to prostitution as German for example is bunch of very serious people, but highly liberal on certain area like sex than other nations!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2733103]Legalizing our hobby made Germany a tourism destination and brought untold sexual pleasure to men at a competitive price with safe venues without shame. Who said the State has no role in a market economy? Contrast that with USA and its puritanical morality, police stings trashing liberty, etc. So much for "can do" and exceptionalism. And about the highest incarceration rate per capita. Dysfunctional comes to mind, but the petro dollar cures many sins you see.[/QUOTE]Here we go with the America bashing again. No, we're not perfect, and neither is Germany. Even if it does have FKKs! Let us not forget Germany's full history shall we? And how it arrived at its current relative liberalism (see there folks "liberal" isn't always a bad word). Recall that place called [B]Nazi Germany[/B], one of the greatest threats to mankind and freedom the world has ever known, and that America helped to defeat. Recall one of the greatest atrocities perpetrated by any nation known as [B]the Holocaust[/B] that Germany is guilty of, and that America helped to end. It took that evil regime being literally reduced to rubble, then rebuilt under the auspices of the American-led [B]Marshall Plan[/B] in order for that nation to move in a different, more enlightened direction while building one of the world's top economies (number 3 for a long time). And eventually bringing us the FKK clubs yes! So, let us remember that after America helped to beat Germany down, she then helped to build the Fatherland up again into something better (that was exceptional in and of itself). We're talking a place that eventually brought us those wonderful FKKs we love so much.

American perfection hell no! No nation has ever achieved that, and no nation ever will.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2732708]I see a lot of guys posting on all the FKK club pages about the rates going up to 100/30. Can you guys that are bitching about this get a reality check? The standard rate across most clubs was 50/30 for many years so it had to go up some time, what did you expect, 50 plus inflation so maybe 65/30? How many of you guys bitching have not had an annual pay rise or increase outside of that? Exactly. Yes, Siri, I know some clubs are 60/30 still or whatever, I am just generalizing on the rate.[/QUOTE]Sure prices held steady for 20 years and during that time quality has gone downhill, I'd be happy to pay €75 today if the quality remained but it has not! I'm not going to repeat what has already been posted by others as to the reasons why.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2732828]Don't see many people complaining about a 60 to 65 per 30 rate. 100 per 30 however is double the previous rate. That's a ridiculous price hike and seems like a worthy gripe.[/QUOTE]I agree. It is a hefty rise, but as has been commented since it was 50/30 for 20 or so years. In most western European countries you'd find it practically impossible to find brothels with as many girls of similar quality for 100/30. It has been commented that the quality is not what it once was, that's a subjective matter and very much a personal opinion. But there's no disputing that 100/30 is still good value if the service is acceptable.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2733158]Sure prices held steady for 20 years and during that time quality has gone downhill, I'd be happy to pay 75 today if the quality remained but it has not! I'm not going to repeat what has already been posted by others as to the reasons why.[/QUOTE]Yes, Russians disappeared, not allowed to work in Germany since 2018. Now 90% Romanians and few Germans or Hungarians, I don't run for Bulgarians, but can still find high quality for around 50/30 if you are able to find out of clubs which are made falling by tourists. For sure, not in RTC with bad teeth. For me, on this year, for freshness, Germany is higher level than Switzerland even I found a wow virgin look Swiss and a real full natural Romanian beauty. Germany is better for me on this year than on 2013, paying 80/60 or 200/120.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2732708]I see a lot of guys posting on all the FKK club pages about the rates going up to 100/30. Can you guys that are bitching about this get a reality check? The standard rate across most clubs was 50/30 for many years so it had to go up some time, what did you expect, 50 plus inflation so maybe 65/30? How many of you guys bitching have not had an annual pay rise or increase outside of that? Exactly. Yes, Siri, I know some clubs are 60/30 still or whatever, I am just generalizing on the rate.[/QUOTE]Anybody here ever get a [B]100%[/B] pay raise for doing the same job at the same place? I didn't think so! A price of 100/30 is bullshit, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with inflation! No, it has everything to do with greedy tutes taking advantage of the condom law. That's what it has to do with. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. How many jobs do we know of where one can earn 50 euros for a half hour of work? These tutes were already being paid top money. Apparently some believe that prostitutes, like colleges and colleges universities, ought to get away with jacking their prices up far above anything that looks like the rate of inflation. Like with the higher education industry, at least in the United States anyway, they know that pussy is something that's [B]got[/B] to be had. Got to get an education to get ahead and got to get some pussy to get laid!

The demand is there. And so they (the prostitutes) get away with charging outrageous sums of money without offering anything more, and sometimes even less. There's always a sucker who will pay it too, and even stand and argue on the side of the tutes. When I too get a 100% raise on the half hour to match theirs [B]then[/B] we got a deal! Until then, look for ways to bargain for lower, more reasonable fees. Or just abstain and take your business elsewhere. Reading all of the recent reports, the action in Germany is sounding pretty pathetic right now. Given the proximity to the end of the pandemic crisis (I hope), I'm not surprised. I said from the start that we probably needed another year for the clubs to recover. It will be interesting to see how it goes for Mr. Ho during his upcoming trip. Mr. Ho please advise soonest.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2733103]...... Contrast that with USA and its puritanical morality....[/QUOTE]The USA in reality cannot be described as having puritanical morality. That is the image it wants to project. On the contrary the US is the most immoral country on earth. Unfortunately, there is a very high rate of sexual deviance and perversions especially among those who preach moral virtue.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2733261]The USA in reality cannot be described as having puritanical morality. That is the image it wants to project. On the contrary the US is the most immoral country on earth. Unfortunately, there is a very high rate of sexual deviance and perversions especially among those who preach moral virtue.[/QUOTE]Tell it like it is! That used to be a "saying" LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2733107]Back in my teen years like bit more than two decades ago now LOL I used to smoke good dope in Zurich as it was legal for few years back then, so I used to get real top of the range staff at the coffee shop like pharmacy there where they sell weed in showcases all legally LOL! I roll it, then smoke it looking at beautiful swiss nature, then off to escort or brothels (No globe back then), oh holly molly LOL! Those sexual experiences high out of mind with full sensation was to this day among the best sexual stimulation experiences I had in my life LOL!

I do that without weed now, but once it is legalize again, I will do the same! I used to buy weed from African herbal business men in the Parks in Berlin or took train to Venlo to buy weed and have amazing sex in FKK, but now I do it without weed and it is fine by me!

Sex on drug is something monger should experience as it does raise sensation to maximum level! It is science backed! Just some are legal and some are not, also depending on which nation you do it as well! Funny how it works!

Legalizing LSD and MDMA for medical use was hot topic during Davos economic forum, so legalizing many harmless drugs can be seen in let say 20 years time! I mean look at Thailand where it was famous for harsh punishment for weed is now moving to legalization of weed! So never say never!

Meanwhile, my biggest drug and drive is fucking beautiful girls around the world! Nothing ever will beat that! Never![/QUOTE]Just a random thought but what you all perceive as high quality weed is probably due to advances in lighting technology or maybe cheap knock offs of lighting technology. So maybe you can give the credit to China for the cheap knock offs. I'm not sure who gets credit for the original technologies. It could be Japan.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2733299]Just a random thought but what you all perceive as high quality weed is probably due to advances in lighting technology or maybe cheap knock offs of lighting technology. So maybe you can give the credit to China for the cheap knock offs. I'm not sure who gets credit for the original technologies. It could be Japan.[/QUOTE]Yes, I prefer indoor weed by fat as well! China can produce cheap, but as for now, they lack quality and they cannot produce quality product like Japan can do, but we are having problem China copying all our products illegally and there is no functioning law in China, so there is not much result in suing!

We are responsible for many inventions, but for indoor lighting I do not know as it is special field that I do not inform myself about, but yeah, it is possible it is us as we focus more on top end quality technology that only we can make as that is our strength and survival strategy for 21st century as it is getting more and more competitive! When I think about LED lighting, a lot of technologies are us and Panasonic is the high end brand for LED lighting!

I should inform myself more about indoor farming because we are what we eat right? But we overlook its blessing the farming industry providing us I think, but one thing for sure is that we are all grateful for other important supply of sex with young stunner beauties provided by FKK industry which is bit like indoor farming of stunner young girls to give us organic sex and in some FKK, we got indoor and outdoor options for sex just like weed LOL!

I must add, I never tried Vaporizer weed yet! I would love to one fine day, but weed is tolerated in most nations in EU and not legalized, so hard to find Vape type weed from my West African business associates in the parks in Germany etc LOL!

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2733398]There is a difference between an African American neighborhood and a gang neighborhood. It might be hard to destinquish for everybody. It would be quite dumb to go a gang for a prostitutes unless they were operating outside their turf hiding it in a hotel. I have no idea why you have so much experience with gangs. I always thought gangs were rather silly. It is usually teenage kids throwing hand signs wearing their pants below their butt cracks. I don't know why someone would think they want to do business with 15 year olds pimping out a 40 year old drug addict that owes them money. She is going to give you the worse service of your life. There are not zones you go to for prostitutes in the USA that are in anyway acceptable. Gangs are really kinda ridiculous. You can't have a discussion with them much less do business with them.[/QUOTE]I know all about gangs due to living in gang areas which is most of the USA is infested with gangs due to the housing crisis and people unable to afford a safe place to live.

On the contrary most gangs are pimping out younger women and the 40 year old women would not even be sold drugs unless they pay first. Thus gangs can be a good source of providers if the gang is operated in a businesslike manner and recuits new young girls.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2733197]Anybody here ever get a [B]100%[/B] pay raise for doing the same job at the same place? I didn't think so! A price of 100/30 is bullshit, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with inflation! No, it has everything to do with greedy tutes taking advantage of the condom law. That's what it has to do with. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. How many jobs do we know of where one can earn 50 euros for a half hour of work? These tutes were already being paid top money. Apparently some believe that prostitutes, like colleges and colleges universities, ought to get away with jacking their prices up far above anything that looks like the rate of inflation. Like with the higher education industry, at least in the United States anyway, they know that pussy is something that's [B]got[/B] to be had. Got to get an education to get ahead and got to get some pussy to get laid!

The demand is there. And so they (the prostitutes) get away with charging outrageous sums of money without offering anything more, and sometimes even less. There's always a sucker who will pay it too, and even stand and argue on the side of the tutes. When I too get a 100% raise on the half hour to match theirs [B]then[/B] we got a deal! Until then, look for ways to bargain for lower, more reasonable fees. Or just abstain and take your business elsewhere. Reading all of the recent reports, the action in Germany is sounding pretty pathetic right now. Given the proximity to the end of the pandemic crisis (I hope), I'm not surprised. I said from the start that we probably needed another year for the clubs to recover. It will be interesting to see how it goes for Mr. Ho during his upcoming trip. Mr. Ho please advise soonest.[/QUOTE]I agree for the reason for the price rise of the session!

As for the price justification, I am quite happy with the current rate as long as it stays that way and no more rise as 100 euro 30 min with the service being there can be justified, but more than that, it is getting ridiculous! If they raise prices more, I will switch to Escort in Germany which I presume will provide BBBJ considering higher pricing at escort?

I never had the occasion of girls trying to buy them drinks or trying to sell me crazy rates like 200 euro per hour etc that I read in forum before, girls in FKK has been reasonable and nice with my experience so far! Only 1 bad session that actually is ok and another one bad session that there was no session as that one was my fault for not looking at her face close enough under good light, so I cancelled as we walked into a room and offered to pay 50 euro which she took with Romanian curse LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2733197]Anybody here ever get a [B]100%[/B] pay raise for doing the same job at the same place? I didn't think so! A price of 100/30 is bullshit, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with inflation! No, it has everything to do with greedy tutes taking advantage of the condom law. That's what it has to do with. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. How many jobs do we know of where one can earn 50 euros for a half hour of work? These tutes were already being paid top money. Apparently some believe that prostitutes, like colleges and colleges universities, ought to get away with jacking their prices up far above anything that looks like the rate of inflation. Like with the higher education industry, at least in the United States anyway, they know that pussy is something that's [B]got[/B] to be had. Got to get an education to get ahead and got to get some pussy to get laid!

The demand is there. And so they (the prostitutes) get away with charging outrageous sums of money without offering anything more, and sometimes even less. There's always a sucker who will pay it too, and even stand and argue on the side of the tutes. When I too get a 100% raise on the half hour to match theirs [B]then[/B] we got a deal! Until then, look for ways to bargain for lower, more reasonable fees. Or just abstain and take your business elsewhere. Reading all of the recent reports, the action in Germany is sounding pretty pathetic right now. Given the proximity to the end of the pandemic crisis (I hope), I'm not surprised. I said from the start that we probably needed another year for the clubs to recover. It will be interesting to see how it goes for Mr. Ho during his upcoming trip. Mr. Ho please advise soonest.[/QUOTE]Here here! At the end of the day, it was a 100% price hike. That's completely unacceptable.

When someone reasons with "well in Spain, 100 e is the going rate," well hell, that's Spain man. No one in Thailand was saying, "well in America, it's $300 dollars so we should charge $300". Applying that logic to Germany is equally ludicrous to me. If you want to justify Spain prices in Germany, just go to Spain. The food and weather is better there anyway. Why would you want to bring that to German paradise? Such arguments is just justifying getting ripped off in a local economy due to lack of self restraint.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2733477]I agree for the reason for the price rise of the session!

As for the price justification, I am quite happy with the current rate as long as it stays that way and no more rise as 100 euro 30 min with the service being there can be justified, but more than that, it is getting ridiculous! If they raise prices more, I will switch to Escort in Germany which I presume will provide BBBJ considering higher pricing at escort?

I never had the occasion of girls trying to buy them drinks or trying to sell me crazy rates like 200 euro per hour etc that I read in forum before, girls in FKK has been reasonable and nice with my experience so far! Only 1 bad session that actually is ok and another one bad session that there was no session as that one was my fault for not looking at her face close enough under good light, so I cancelled as we walked into a room and offered to pay 50 euro which she took with Romanian curse LOL![/QUOTE]I meant 300 euro per hour not 200 euro as 200 euro sometimes they begin at 200 euro per 1 hour and I negotiate down to 150 euro LOL! I fell for 200 euro per hour session twice in 11 years, but hey, it was damn worth it LOL! But that is pushing my nerve though!

However, I would also add that, if we were to take those stunner out and try to fuck them, it would cost much more and need to invest so much time, efforts and affection with a lot of sucking up to do that I hate to do! So for me prices are justified as long as I am not too ripped off and again FKK girls has been really reasonable and honest with my experience and in my opinion! Some were extremely generous with their service even when I sometimes went for just 50 euro 30 min session, but that is fading nowadays, but it is still there sometimes! Lets see how post pandemic FKK and post russian invasion FKK will be like! I think quite promising because as I always wrote, the downside of this global events are where mongers will benefit at LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2733197]Anybody here ever get a [B]100%[/B] pay raise for doing the same job at the same place? I didn't think so! A price of 100/30 is bullshit, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with inflation! No, it has everything to do with greedy tutes taking advantage of the condom law. That's what it has to do with. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. How many jobs do we know of where one can earn 50 euros for a half hour of work? These tutes were already being paid top money. Apparently some believe that prostitutes, like colleges and colleges universities, ought to get away with jacking their prices up far above anything that looks like the rate of inflation. Like with the higher education industry, at least in the United States anyway, they know that pussy is something that's [B]got[/B] to be had. Got to get an education to get ahead and got to get some pussy to get laid!

The demand is there. And so they (the prostitutes) get away with charging outrageous sums of money without offering anything more, and sometimes even less. There's always a sucker who will pay it too, and even stand and argue on the side of the tutes. When I too get a 100% raise on the half hour to match theirs [B]then[/B] we got a deal! Until then, look for ways to bargain for lower, more reasonable fees. Or just abstain and take your business elsewhere. Reading all of the recent reports, the action in Germany is sounding pretty pathetic right now. Given the proximity to the end of the pandemic crisis (I hope), I'm not surprised. I said from the start that we probably needed another year for the clubs to recover. It will be interesting to see how it goes for Mr. Ho during his upcoming trip. Mr. Ho please advise soonest.[/QUOTE]Yes, not many people do get a 100% pay rise. However, the 50/30 rate was in place for 20+ years. Not many people are paid the same as 20+ years ago. There's a lot of jobs paying 50 Eu an hour, it's not that high a pay rate. Like you say, if it's too much then don't pay it. Personally I never try and barter, it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service because the girls think the guy is cheap.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2733306]Yes this is a technique of police in the USA to stop white people from entering Afro American neighborhoods (or possibly Puerto Ricans).[/QUOTE]2 police cars blocking me at downtown entrance from airport, telling me: They will kill You. Also seen in Miami, at a crossroads, so many police cars arriving and helicopter for guys running leaving a shop. Funny to see in US crossroads with no traffic light, in France, would be daily big crashes. Less funny to see so many weapons in a car back, when so many crazy like Trump in US, killing children in schools. When they killed all Indians, wolves, bears and couguars.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2733107] I used to smoke good dope in Zurich as it was legal for few years back then[/QUOTE]Basel starts a test program where a few hundred people are legally allowed to buy weed from some pharmacies. It's quite likely that in a few years weed is fully legal again in Switzerland. While drug possession and consumption are technically illegal in Switzerland, possession of small quantities for personal consumption is normally not prosecuted, people might get a fine but that's it.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2733197]Anybody here ever get a [B]100%[/B] pay raise for doing the same job at the same place? I didn't think so! A price of 100/30 is bullshit, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with inflation! No, it has everything to do with greedy tutes taking advantage of the condom law. That's what it has to do with. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. How many jobs do we know of where one can earn 50 euros for a half hour of work? These tutes were already being paid top money. Apparently some believe that prostitutes, like colleges and colleges universities, ought to get away with jacking their prices up far above anything that looks like the rate of inflation. Like with the higher education industry, at least in the United States anyway, they know that pussy is something that's [B]got[/B] to be had. Got to get an education to get ahead and got to get some pussy to get laid!

The demand is there. And so they (the prostitutes) get away with charging outrageous sums of money without offering anything more, and sometimes even less. There's always a sucker who will pay it too, and even stand and argue on the side of the tutes. When I too get a 100% raise on the half hour to match theirs [B]then[/B] we got a deal! Until then, look for ways to bargain for lower, more reasonable fees. Or just abstain and take your business elsewhere. Reading all of the recent reports, the action in Germany is sounding pretty pathetic right now. Given the proximity to the end of the pandemic crisis (I hope), I'm not surprised. I said from the start that we probably needed another year for the clubs to recover. It will be interesting to see how it goes for Mr. Ho during his upcoming trip. Mr. Ho please advise soonest.[/QUOTE]Some girls know they can ask what they want because Asians now back will pay whatever they ask. Was not same on last year without Asians, when had many 100/60 full GFE. I don t mind paying 150/60 when 30 mn are too short for my too intimate game, but for a top beauty and top GFE for my love sex. No girl like this on this year at Sharks when Katalea fell for freshness, Sofi. De asking 200/60 but not pretty enough for so expensive, even one of the prettiest at Sharks. No girl worthing 150/60 at Oase. Ukrainian Lana at Mainhattan could but I can t fuck her too small pussy, tried on 3 times on 3 different positions during our discovery but had to give up each time not to hurt her and she really appreciated my behavior. But I have good girls in NRW for 80/60 or 200/120 and one at Freubad for 180/60 . I just adapt, when cheap Gold have prettier girls than in Hessen now.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2733590]Yes, not many people do get a 100% pay rise. However, the 50/30 rate was in place for 20+ years. Not many people are paid the same as 20+ years ago. There's a lot of jobs paying 50 Eu an hour, it's not that high a pay rate. Like you say, if it's too much then don't pay it. Personally I never try and barter, it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service because the girls think the guy is cheap.[/QUOTE]50 for 30 minutes = 100 for 1 hour. Girls who usually ask extras are most often not the prettiest nor best. Smart girls know better to make regulars returning weekly, rather than fucking for only one shot and guys will tell not to go, even I don t care about what guys tell. Telling a beauty is not good, can interest me, when I usually think I can get better.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2733590]There's a lot of jobs paying 50 Eu an hour, it's not that high a pay rate.[/QUOTE]First of all, we're not talking 50 euros an hour. We're talking [B]50 euros for half an hour[/B]! If you don't think that's a lot of money, especially for someone with no education or marketable skills which is the case for nearly all of these girls, then you're living on a different planet. Sure there are lots of high paying jobs, but not like that. And for the high paying jobs that do exist, these FKK girls are not viable candidates for those as what they mostly bring to the table is puss and ass. Oh, and a mouth! And that's it.

Thank you for all the great information that is available on this forum!

I hope it is ok if I pose a question or two here.

First, I assume some or many of you have wives and / or families. I unfortunately do not travel a lot with work (and my wife knows my co-workes so it would be a risky lie). What excuse do you use to travel by yourself?

Secondly, I have read a lot of reviews (that I really appreciate) and a thing stands out as weird to me: Licking pussy. Partly because so many (mongerers) seem so into it, but hey 'each to his own', but also because it seems standard that you have to pay extra for it. Is it never included? Do the girls not like having oral sex performed on them? What up?

Thirdly, along the same lines, most reviewers seem to find it really important with GFE, I have a wife I can get that experience at home. I just want to fuck good looking girls, I don't really care if they seem unattentive, bored or don't feel like kissing. I'm not against them enjoying the sex, but it is really secoundary to me enjoying it. Are there more like me out there?

Hope I can make an escape from the wife soon. Planing on going to Frankfurt and checking out Mainhattan and / or Sharks.

[QUOTE=MongerMooze;2733799]Thank you for all the great information that is available on this forum!

I hope it is ok if I pose a question or two here.

First, I assume some or many of you have wives and / or families. I unfortunately do not travel a lot with work (and my wife knows my co-workes so it would be a risky lie). What excuse do you use to travel by yourself?

Secondly, I have read a lot of reviews (that I really appreciate) and a thing stands out as weird to me: Licking pussy. Partly because so many (mongerers) seem so into it, but hey 'each to his own', but also because it seems standard that you have to pay extra for it. Is it never included? Do the girls not like having oral sex performed on them? What up?.[/QUOTE]What excuse do you use to travel by yourself?

Use some sort of professional development opportunity: a conference, or short-term (like a few days) educational course.

Second venue may be some sort of a hobby you have. Maybe you a railroad fan and you want to visit some railroad museums in industrial towns like Dortmund and Darmstadt (wink wink, there is one there indeed!) It would be great if you had such hobby in your childhood and suddenly you feel a strong urge to resurrect the experience, blah blah, you get the idea.

Thirdly, maybe you want to explore some sort of business opportunity, perhaps starting your own business. Maybe not now, maybe after you retire. However being a practical man that you are, you wish to start the preparation early, research a bit deeper (should I say analyze?) the matter and you have to visit Germany.

Fourthly you could have just discovered some German ancestors in your family tree and now you must visit and / or search for their graves. A slight variation may be that you want to learn and practice some German, but that would require some effort, like endless hours of practice, unless du sprichst wirklich schon gut Deutsch.

Important: once you make up your legend, stick to it to death. You have to believe in it yourself or else your wife will sense the deception.

And then the legend must be totally boring to your wife or something she would hate to do herself because you don't want her to follow you to Germany. This may actually be the most challenging aspect. Since you never know when you will be able to make your next trip, in your situation I recommend at least a 2-week getaway.

Another fruitful alternative is to send your wife away on vacation herself! Like Christmas or birthday gift, she gets a ticket to go somewhere nice and sunny with spa and massages and beautiful beaches. And you escape the house while she is away.

A possible modification of your escape is to pretend you casually go someplace near, like a neighboring state. You make not a big deal out of it in front of wife, like a rock climbing or a tennis boot camp. This will be more believable if you travel there by car. You would park in a safe paid parking lot for a few days, hop on a train or a bus to get to the airport and fly to Frankfurt. A serious disadvantage of this scheme is that it gives you a pretty narrow time window and also a couple of unauthorized by wife stamps in your passport after passing the EU border control.

Be prepared for the worst. Identify weaknesses in your plan and play out a defense scheme in your mind. Even if caught red handed, under no circumstances, without exceptions, never admit anything to your wife. Say it was a misunderstanding, a totally honest mistake, but never confess sex-related activities. Hope some of this helps.

When you dream about Miami without knowing there, if I returned to US, I would choose NYC. Can give you our huge difference of level. Same than for S vs RS, when RS5 or 6 are just big lies by Audi, with automatic tiptronic, such sporty, to respect for pollution, and engine to 8500 tours, I would like to see for how many kilometers full charge and limited to 250 and if you switch off and break so risky engine, then you will see for guaranty with Audi. When I will find my good V8 S5, the only S5 when V6 is not on same level, I will prepare engine as always and with French technology, when I drove more than 500000 kms after 50% more power preparation and wish to drive more with S5 flexifuel to be my last car as a elegant beauty when I refuse electric, how could I drive 3000 kms on week end to go to climb and hybrid is just to go to buy bread but not for autobahns.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2733590]Yes, not many people do get a 100% pay rise. However, the 50/30 rate was in place for 20+ years. Not many people are paid the same as 20+ years ago. There's a lot of jobs paying 50 Eu an hour, it's not that high a pay rate. Like you say, if it's too much then don't pay it. Personally I never try and barter, it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service because the girls think the guy is cheap.[/QUOTE]Average wages in Germany increased by less than 20% over the period 2000-2020.

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/416207/average-annual-wages-germany-y-on-y-in-euros/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MongerMooze;2733799]Thank you for all the great information that is available on this forum!

I hope it is ok if I pose a question or two here.

First, I assume some or many of you have wives and / or families. I unfortunately do not travel a lot with work (and my wife knows my co-workes so it would be a risky lie). What excuse do you use to travel by yourself?

Secondly, I have read a lot of reviews (that I really appreciate) and a thing stands out as weird to me: Licking pussy. Partly because so many (mongerers) seem so into it, but hey 'each to his own', but also because it seems standard that you have to pay extra for it. Is it never included? Do the girls not like having oral sex performed on them? What up?

Thirdly, along the same lines, most reviewers seem to find it really important with GFE, I have a wife I can get that experience at home. I just want to fuck good looking girls, I don't really care if they seem unattentive, bored or don't feel like kissing. I'm not against them enjoying the sex, but it is really secoundary to me enjoying it. Are there more like me out there?

Hope I can make an escape from the wife soon. Planing on going to Frankfurt and checking out Mainhattan and / or Sharks.[/QUOTE]Just say you want to see some museum in Germany as you are interested in it and actually go to museum for 10 min to take photos!

DATY is free usually, but some try to take advantage of you, but blowjob without condom is recently charged by little more, usually about 20 euro more in some clubs, it used to be free till government changed law in summer 2017!

I like fucking top beauty with GFE, but if I have to choose one, I go for beauty than GFE as I make sure the session is GFE or at least very dirty LOL!

So the question to you now, why do you want to escape from your wife? What is it about your wife that bother you so much and if so, why did you get married in the first place? You once thought she is the love of your life no? Then what changed beside maybe she got too old for you to seduced or she cheated or what changed since you decided to exchange bows forever?

[QUOTE=Abox79;2733590]Yes, not many people do get a 100% pay rise. However, the 50/30 rate was in place for 20+ years. Not many people are paid the same as 20+ years ago. There's a lot of jobs paying 50 Eu an hour, it's not that high a pay rate. Like you say, if it's too much then don't pay it. Personally I never try and barter, it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service because the girls think the guy is cheap.[/QUOTE]As other people said EUR50 for half hour so EUR100 for an hour. For people who need travel paying EUR100 an hour why do they need to travel if that price is available to where they live without the need to travel.

Also remember EUR100 an hour without extra. Any extra will be EUR30-50. The rate for half hours in Some FKKs in NRW are EUR40.

I agree no need to barter as it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service. But it is also important to remember what trigger that behaviour in the first instance. It is normally come from people, tourist, not regular visitors. These people are an easy target for the sharks, gold diggers. It is also because lack of information as they will compare the price they pay at home with the one they pay in FKK. But they fail to compare it with other places like in many countries in Asia, in South America. In Thailand, Vietnam, Laos: for examples with that sum of money you might get the girl to stay with you for the whole night.
Also if you do not come there regularly, or it might be just once in a few years, once in a lifetime,whatever come after even if these FKKs cease to exist is no longer your concern. If you see the service is good you could actually just tip them.

Anyway it is your money you are using. You could even pay ten times the regular price. Many people could effort that given that it is not an regular basis. But sensible people will start thinking, why do I need to travel if I could get the same price or even cheaper in my cities, areas. If people stop visiting FKKs in Germany it is just a matter of time before it ceases to exist. By the end of the day it will effect us all.

Alternatively you could also visit high class Brothels, Night Clubs where you will be treated like a king as long as you are willing to pay. There are a lot of courtesans, Pornstars could be flown to your house as long as you want to pay.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2733610]Some girls know they can ask what they want because Asians now back will pay whatever they ask. Was not same on last year without Asians, when had many 100/60 full GFE. I don t mind paying 150/60 when 30 mn are too short for my too intimate game.....[/QUOTE]Asians are spoiling girls by paying too much but Sirioja you are spoiling girls by spending over 45 minutes on foreplay in a one hour session. Then girls will not want to do 20 minutes of fucking with me in a 30 minute session.

Girls at the level of European FKK girls will be about $500 per hour in the USA.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2734067]As other people said EUR50 for half hour so EUR100 for an hour. For people who need travel paying EUR100 an hour why do they need to travel if that price is available to where they live without the need to travel.

Also remember EUR100 an hour without extra. Any extra will be EUR30-50. The rate for half hours in Some FKKs in NRW are EUR40.

I agree no need to barter as it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service. But it is also important to remember what trigger that behaviour in the first instance. It is normally come from people, tourist, not regular visitors. These people are an easy target for the sharks, gold diggers. It is also because lack of information as they will compare the price they pay at home with the one they pay in FKK. But they fail to compare it with other places like in many countries in Asia, in South America. In Thailand, Vietnam, Laos: for examples with that sum of money you might get the girl to stay with you for the whole night.
Also if you do not come there regularly, or it might be just once in a few years, once in a lifetime,whatever come after even if these FKKs cease to exist is no longer your concern. If you see the service is good you could actually just tip them..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2734078]Asians are spoiling girls by paying too much but Sirioja you are spoiling girls by spending over 45 minutes on foreplay in a one hour session. Then girls will not want to do 20 minutes of fucking with me in a 30 minute session.[/QUOTE]My standard is around 10 mn kissing caressing, then 30 mn for both oral and 20 mn fucking always kissing, most girls can t for longer, too big, too hard, too sporty. With exceptionnal girls, I stay longer. With my Rhur German, discovery was at 4. 30 am when I waited for her since 7. 30 pm and could only for 30 mn before closing, now she comes to me when seeing me and we stay 2/2 h30 , I could stay longer, rate 50/30 full GFE and foreplay fireworks playing, I think she trust me.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2734080]Girls at the level of European FKK girls will be about $500 per hour in the USA.[/QUOTE]In the US prostitution is illegal, except in Nevada. In Nevada there are a lot of street prostitute could be poked much less than that, especially in the car.
A beginner in porn industry in the US get paid around US $600-US $1000 per shoot which could be a few hours work. The scene will involve a rough sex, bareback, gang-bang, deep anal penetration, spanking, humiliation, sometimes with giant cocks, you name it.
Also people in the US could travel to neighbouring countries such as Mexico, Columbia, etc

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2733608]Basel starts a test program where a few hundred people are legally allowed to buy weed from some pharmacies. It's quite likely that in a few years weed is fully legal again in Switzerland. While drug possession and consumption are technically illegal in Switzerland, possession of small quantities for personal consumption is normally not prosecuted, people might get a fine but that's it.[/QUOTE]As you wrote, we had golden years in year 1999 to 2001 I believe, oh wow how I so enjoyed those golden years when I was teen and top weed was over the counter legal in professional grower shops, I smoked and fuck stunners, amazing time LOL!

The thing is CDB weed is legal it seems now, but now THC is not! I miss those golden years, but it is what it is and I follow the law! I had best time with weed, so that is that until the situation legally provide with the best weed again!

I might at one point go to Amsterdam to try ecstacy mdma sex with top escort stunner for a week as it is all legal in Amsterdam! I will book top escort from Germany to bring her over to Amsterdam though as I am not sure if Amsterdam escorts provide quality young girls!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2734227]In the US prostitution is illegal, except in Nevada. In Nevada there are a lot of street prostitute could be poked much less than that, especially in the car.
A beginner in porn industry in the US get paid around US $600-US $1000 per shoot which could be a few hours work. The scene will involve a rough sex, bareback, gang-bang, deep anal penetration, spanking, humiliation, sometimes with giant cocks, you name it.
Also people in the US could travel to neighbouring countries such as Mexico, Columbia, etc[/QUOTE]The USA Has a massive escort and Sugar Baby scene with three separate escort review boards.

The legal Nevada brothels constitute far less than 1 percent of the transactions. More like a tenth of one percent.

The street scene is getting smaller every year in the USA, and is now only covered by one of those three review boards. Since it is most likely to be targeted by law enforcement, it is a very small percentage of the total transactions.

The prices generally range from $250 an hour to $700 an hour.

A tremendous number of independents who do full GFE, including BBBJTCIM, and who have their own websites and screen, are now indeed in the $500-$600 an hour. In smaller cities and in certain geographical areas, it can sometimes be a little bit less.

It is very difficult to make comparisons. Realistically, the way independent escorts are forced to operate in the USA, they see relatively few customers, often only one a day. And that is reflected in the high prices. As to whether the Romanian FKK lady at $100-$150 an hour (including upsells) is the equivalent of the $500 an hour USA Independent escort, that would depend on which two you pick for comparison.

The only part of your post I agree with is the porn discussion. It is possible to purchase sex from some porn stars, usually by finding them on Twitter and eventually emailing them. Ladies don't make much money doing porn. They primarily use it to enhance an Onlyfans presence. The porn stars who quietly escort tend to charge the same rates as independent escorts who do not do porn, although sometimes $100 an hour or so more.

Incidentally, it is the lowest price per hour ladies who are most likely to draw the interest of law enforcement. And it is the sites those ladies advertise on that in turn gets fake ads taken out by law enforcement. Currently the main target is the site skipthegames. Before that it was of course Backpage.

One of the reasons independent escorts charge above a certain price per hour point, and one of the reasons that Johns pay it, is that independent escorts who screen, have their own websites, and charge market rates are not typically targeted by law enforcement, especially in most large cities.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2734080]Girls at the level of European FKK girls will be about $500 per hour in the USA.[/QUOTE]If you can get them then the price is up to the buyer, but the problem in most states in USA is that such options are not even available! The same go for many other nations!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2734067]As other people said EUR50 for half hour so EUR100 for an hour. For people who need travel paying EUR100 an hour why do they need to travel if that price is available to where they live without the need to travel.

Also remember EUR100 an hour without extra. Any extra will be EUR30-50. The rate for half hours in Some FKKs in NRW are EUR40.

I agree no need to barter as it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service. But it is also important to remember what trigger that behaviour in the first instance. It is normally come from people, tourist, not regular visitors. These people are an easy target for the sharks, gold diggers. It is also because lack of information as they will compare the price they pay at home with the one they pay in FKK. But they fail to compare it with other places like in many countries in Asia, in South America. In Thailand, Vietnam, Laos: for examples with that sum of money you might get the girl to stay with you for the whole night.
Also if you do not come there regularly, or it might be just once in a few years, once in a lifetime,whatever come after even if these FKKs cease to exist is no longer your concern. If you see the service is good you could actually just tip them.

Anyway it is your money you are using. You could even pay ten times the regular price. Many people could effort that given that it is not an regular basis. But sensible people will start thinking, why do I need to travel if I could get the same price or even cheaper in my cities, areas. If people stop visiting FKKs in Germany it is just a matter of time before it ceases to exist. By the end of the day it will effect us all.

Alternatively you could also visit high class Brothels, Night Clubs where you will be treated like a king as long as you are willing to pay. There are a lot of courtesans, Pornstars could be flown to your house as long as you want to pay.[/QUOTE]I travel because I fuck best Eurasian girls here and I fuck best white and other exotic stunner level girls in Europe LOL! The best of both world LOL!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2734227]In the US prostitution is illegal, except in Nevada. In Nevada there are a lot of street prostitute could be poked much less than that, especially in the car.
A beginner in porn industry in the US get paid around US $600-US $1000 per shoot which could be a few hours work. The scene will involve a rough sex, bareback, gang-bang, deep anal penetration, spanking, humiliation, sometimes with giant cocks, you name it.
Also people in the US could travel to neighbouring countries such as Mexico, Columbia, etc[/QUOTE]Nevada totally sucks. It is all cbg by law overpriced probably more than $500 per hour. Plus you need to drive 100 to 500 miles to a legal brothel once you are in Nevada.

Mexico you can wind up blown up there are reports of civil unrest in Tijuana wherein drug criminals are lighting cars on fire. And you can't have a gun in Mexico unless you are in the cartel, or a Mexican police officer bribed by the cartel.

The reason why some of top stunner do escort and also on low days turn up at FKK as walk in is that they like to monetize their youth and beauties in more direct impactful way which is money sex exchange business, so it is good that the whole world is filled with young stunners who want to directly monetize their beauties instead of just sticking to complicated for both dating scene!

Arent we mongers who know where to around world are lucky LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2734259]If you can get them then the price is up to the buyer, but the problem in most states in USA is that such options are not even available! The same go for many other nations![/QUOTE]Another good point about FKK is the hygiene in Germany is top level. They have the bidet there whereas a street walking provider in the USA has very bad hygiene and would be lucky to even have a wet wipe, let alone a wipe between each client. Plus the temperatures in the USA can top 115 degrees and with all the sweat and residue down there anyone paying for full service is insane which is why mainly the BJ is the way to go in the USA.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2733938]What excuse do you use to travel by yourself?

Use some sort of professional development opportunity: a conference, or short-term (like a few days) educational course.

Second venue may be some sort of a hobby you have. Maybe you a railroad fan and you want to visit some railroad museums in industrial towns like Dortmund and Darmstadt (wink wink, there is one there indeed!) It would be great if you had such hobby in your childhood and suddenly you feel a strong urge to resurrect the experience, blah blah, you get the idea.

Thirdly, maybe you want to explore some sort of business opportunity, perhaps starting your own business. Maybe not now, maybe after you retire. However being a practical man that you are, you wish to start the preparation early, research a bit deeper (should I say analyze?) the matter and you have to visit Germany.

Fourthly you could have just discovered some German ancestors in your family tree and now you must visit and / or search for their graves. A slight variation may be that you want to learn and practice some German, but that would require some effort, like endless hours of practice, unless du sprichst wirklich schon gut Deutsch.

Important: once you make up your legend, stick to it to death. You have to believe in it yourself or else your wife will sense the deception.[/QUOTE]Conferences or anything the dates can be checked is dangerous if he does not actually go, I would say actually go to these things and take photos as evidence LOL! Then off to FKK at night time LOL! So the whole thing will be half true!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2734080]Girls at the level of European FKK girls will be about $500 per hour in the USA.[/QUOTE]Before FKK I didn't know until end of 2012 , I started with Russian escorts in Paris on 2011 , really Russian when Ukrainians are not on same level, even I m very sorry for Ukraine now and hate dirty Putin as I always told my regular escorts. I had some from 10/11 pm until 4 am for diner + 200/250 and sometimes present, little mums becoming so horny when I bought Disney present, usually less than 50 , for kid, making them more passionate than a fashion French perfume. I remember Anna from Ufa on January 2012 on her third tour and after around 10 times with her, first going to buy a Disney present, then to restaurant for her salmon and cup of champagne. I asked her to give me her pantie under table, she looked at me with round eyes but did, I put towel under her, when we left, towel was wet. I drove to Milano or Torino for her after she was unfortunately attacked in Paris. When I m known since years from girls reports by what became Amour Russe, since few years, I book for 200/45 and when I enjoy the girl and repeat, I usually stay with her for nearly 1 hour, meaning 200/57 or 58 for super GFE top beauties. I don't see in FKK, even at Globe or Aphrodisia, girls worthing more than my best Russian escorts I get for 200/ almost 1 hour and I m fully sure we have the most fresh in Paris compare to Dubai or elsewhere, because when they first leave Russia, most Russian girls dream much more of Paris than anywhere else. Only after, they think to make more money in Dubai or fucking Asians when they become more professionnal, but they first fall from tupolev in Paris when Milano is now dead. On this year, from Moscow Victoria was exceptionnal fresh GFE kissing all along, met her many times for 200/58 . I also discovered some real NL in NL for 160/60 and free entry with a soft drink, Floor being a late 20's real beauty when she did model in Paris years ago. I met in FKK few girls on escort level: Madelina. Ro, Katalina. Ro I got at Sharks for 200/120 before following her at Globe, EMA for 300/180 on my weekly visits for months, EMA Prestige for 200/120 , my German escort for usually 300/180 . My now Rhur German is on top level escort and for behavior. But so many FKK girls don t worth what they ask, with their average or less look and low level in bed. 90% of Globe girls don t worth the rate. Almost none at Aphrodisia Zurich city, but now I know why so expensive, to pay alcohol and cocaine for drunk drugged who work in city. They should better make sport to be able to control pressure when I won t pay too expensive for them when I drink orange juice when not even apple or ananas for 280/30 but only average looks mostly with already many kilometers in business, but look is not the most important for these guys with fog in eyes and brain. You don t find most fresh prettiest in most expensive clubs. 40/50/30 Gold Dusseldorf airport and Freubad. Ch with HH giving 90/30 are probably best value for quality at the moment. Swiss Dietikon can also be good value even they increased 8% girls rate but lowered a bit entry. For 1 hour sex, 4,5% increased, quite correct for few interesting girls.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2734240]As you wrote, we had golden years in year 1999 to 2001 I believe, oh wow how I so enjoyed those golden years when I was teen and top weed was over the counter legal in professional grower shops, I smoked and fuck stunners, amazing time LOL!

The thing is CDB weed is legal it seems now, but now THC is not! I miss those golden years, but it is what it is and I follow the law! I had best time with weed, so that is that until the situation legally provide with the best weed again!

I might at one point go to Amsterdam to try ecstacy mdma sex with top escort stunner for a week as it is all legal in Amsterdam! I will book top escort from Germany to bring her over to Amsterdam though as I am not sure if Amsterdam escorts provide quality young girls![/QUOTE]The best thing about FKK is you actually get to see the girls in real life before you choose the one to fuck, where as with escort, you only photos!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2734266]Nevada totally sucks. It is all cbg by law overpriced probably more than $500 per hour. Plus you need to drive 100 to 500 miles to a legal brothel once you are in Nevada.

Mexico you can wind up blown up there are reports of civil unrest in Tijuana wherein drug criminals are lighting cars on fire. And you can't have a gun in Mexico unless you are in the cartel, or a Mexican police officer bribed by the cartel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2734256]The USA Has a massive escort and Sugar Baby scene with three separate escort review boards.

The prices generally range from $250 an hour to $700 an hour.
A tremendous number of independents who do full GFE, including BBBJTCIM, and who have their own websites and screen, are now indeed in the $500-$600 an hour. In smaller cities and in certain geographical areas, it can sometimes be a little bit less.

It is very difficult to make comparisons. Realistically, the way independent escorts are forced to operate in the USA, they see relatively few customers, often only one a day. And that is reflected in the high prices. As to whether the Romanian FKK lady at $100-$150 an hour (including upsells) is the equivalent of the $500 an hour USA Independent escort, that would depend on which two you pick for comparison.

The only part of your post I agree with is the porn discussion. It is possible to purchase sex from some porn stars, usually by finding them on Twitter and eventually emailing them. Ladies don't make much money doing porn. They primarily use it to enhance an Onlyfans presence. The porn stars who quietly escort tend to charge the same rates as independent escorts who do not do porn, although sometimes $100 an hour or so more.[/QUOTE]
My point here is that people start justifying the increase of 100% price in FKK (or the like) just because it is still cheaper than those what they would have paid at home. They forget about the cost of travelling, time needed for travelling, etc. Keep in mind the local scene in Germany, Spain, etc mainly thrive because the local or people who travel to that region frequently sustain them, not because a tourist who just come there once in a lifetime or once in a few years. These sort of people instead ruin the market, our environment.

We have witnessed the RLD in Amsterdam scene where once was a very good punting ground is now, remain a history because of the international tourists who might just punting once in a lifetime or once in a few years in that region have ruined them. People would have noticed that local people hardly ever visit or stop visiting the Amsterdam RLD since a few years ago. Local people is the RLD bread and butter. When the local people start ignoring their local scenes looking for a new punting ground in Asia, for instance, it is going to effect us all mongers. Unless of course you want to turn to become a pornstar, LOL.

Pierre Woodman has fucked many stunning girls in Europe and he just pays a pittance for a scene. It is publicly known he pays around EUR700-EUR900 for a scene which might involve a few hours work for the girls to include Bareback, Deep Anal Penetration, Gang bang, humiliation. And those girls get fucked by Woodman and his boys, multiple times (not just once) during the day the scene is made. Not to mention the need to give up privacy as the scene could be watched by family members, relatives, friends and people around the world.
Pierre Woodman has probably fucked more stunners than anyone else in this world considering the time span he is in the industry and the frequency of his porn production..

As I said previously people are using their own money so nothing wrong with it in many perspectives. Also for some people that environment is not that important for them or worse they do not really care about the environment they are in. But do you want that someday you could no longer travel to Germany, to see the type of girls you normally see in FKK ?
You would have to turn to become a pornstar because the girls charge the price quite similar with the people pay in the US, AU, CA, etc, the FKK scene in Germany collapse because they do not get enough income to sustain their operation due to regular / local visitors stop visiting them?

I understand your points, but just as I am amazed at how many ISG posters only post within the FKK forums, I think it is unrealistic in the Information Age to keep Johns and more importantly Sex Workers so uninformed about like outside the German FKK system that service-adjusted prices can remain extremely low for decades.

I would argue it is the high degree of mobility of the sex workers, and the fact that the business can now be conducted with a cell phone, WhatsApp / Telegram, Twitter and / or some form of basic advertising, and access to a trick pad that is shared with other ladies, that is driving up prices more than any other factors.

I suspect the mobility of Johns from other areas does drive up prices somewhat at FJKs, but of the dozen factors doing so, I would rank it as not contributing to the increase much. To the extent it does, it is the French arriving by train / car more so than the Americans. That might have contributed a bit to the gradual small price increases seen in Spain and Portugal, also. There just aren't enough American Johns in Europe to move the needle, and even fewer of them in the past three years.

Just like food, a price increase in one area will eventually flow throughout the world. The supply of the most desirable food will flow to the areas where the prices are the highest. Try to fight it too much and those who can't or won't pay a higher price end up with an inferior substitute. You don't want a situation where only the oldest, fattest and ugliest Eastern Europeans work at the FKKs, while the best looking and best performing Romanians researched on the Internet the best places (and best approaches) to work while in high school and acted upon that information when they graduated.

I suspect that is happening now. Whenever anyone mentions legal Nevada brothels or the street scene in conjunction with the USA Market, my antennae goes up because I know they haven't really studied the USA Market, which is now independent escorts with their own websites, a few boutique agencies, Sugar Babies, and those who insist on taking the risk of continuing to use mass classified advertising that is still attacked by law enforcement.

But when I see an FKK poster analyze the FKK market exclusively from the standpoint of the ladies working there and the Johns who exclusively go there, I am skeptical that they see the whole picture. It is technology and the sharing of information that is the enemy of the FKKs to the extent they try to maintain low prices with great looking young women providing top services. In a worldwide economy with the availability of data, it just won't work. The best sex workers will seek out the best opportunities, and the Johns who find their prices worthwhile will be their customers. If these transactions occur entirely outside of FKKs, no one is going to be concerned other than the most ardent FKK customers.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2734410]My point here is that people start justifying the increase of 100% price in FKK (or the like) just because it is still cheaper than those what they would have paid at home. They forget about the cost of travelling, time needed for travelling, etc. Keep in mind the local scene in Germany, Spain, etc mainly thrive because the local or people who travel to that region frequently sustain them, not because a tourist who just come there once in a lifetime or once in a few years. These sort of people instead ruin the market, our environment.

We have witnessed the RLD in Amsterdam scene where once was a very good punting ground is now, remain a history because of the international tourists who might just punting once in a lifetime or once in a few years in that region have ruined them. People would have noticed that local people hardly ever visit or stop visiting the Amsterdam RLD since a few years ago. Local people is the RLD bread and butter. When the local people start ignoring their local scenes looking for a new punting ground in Asia, for instance, it is going to effect us all mongers. Unless of course you want to turn to become a pornstar, LOL.

Pierre Woodman has fucked many stunning girls in Europe and he just pays a pittance for a scene. It is publicly known he pays around EUR700-EUR900 for a scene which might involve a few hours work for the girls to include Bareback, Deep Anal Penetration, Gang bang, humiliation. And those girls get fucked by Woodman and his boys, multiple times (not just once) during the day the scene is made. Not to mention the need to give up privacy as the scene could be watched by family members, relatives, friends and people around the world.
Pierre Woodman has probably fucked more stunners than anyone else in this world considering the time span he is in the industry and the frequency of his porn production..

As I said previously people are using their own money so nothing wrong with it in many perspectives. Also for some people that environment is not that important for them or worse they do not really care about the environment they are in. But do you want that someday you could no longer travel to Germany, to see the type of girls you normally see in FKK ?
You would have to turn to become a pornstar because the girls charge the price quite similar with the people pay in the US, AU, CA, etc, the FKK scene in Germany collapse because they do not get enough income to sustain their operation due to regular / local visitors stop visiting them?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2734308]Another good point about FKK is the hygiene in Germany is top level. They have the bidet there whereas a street walking provider in the USA has very bad hygiene and would be lucky to even have a wet wipe, let alone a wipe between each client. Plus the temperatures in the USA can top 115 degrees and with all the sweat and residue down there anyone paying for full service is insane which is why mainly the BJ is the way to go in the USA.[/QUOTE]Bidet in FKK as in toilet like in Japan? I always found toilet in west to be so behind and not hygiene without washlet toilet we call in Japan by companies like Toto or Panasonic, well Toto is leading company for toilet in the world by far! I always wonder why in west they keep ass dirty after toilet! Toto should go into western market more to keep asses in west clean after shit! That was my biggest culture shock when I went to west to UK and France for first time in my life that the toilet is too behind and dirty and hey it is 2022 and they still do not have better advanced toilet in west! LOL! Why? LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2734266]Nevada totally sucks. It is all cbg by law overpriced probably more than $500 per hour. Plus you need to drive 100 to 500 miles to a legal brothel once you are in Nevada.

Mexico you can wind up blown up there are reports of civil unrest in Tijuana wherein drug criminals are lighting cars on fire. And you can't have a gun in Mexico unless you are in the cartel, or a Mexican police officer bribed by the cartel.[/QUOTE]I always thought you can fuck stunner girls for very good price like 100 usd, but are mexican that unorganized?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2734434]Bidet in FKK as in toilet like in Japan? I always found toilet in west to be so behind and not hygiene without washlet toilet we call in Japan by companies like Toto or Panasonic, well Toto is leading company for toilet in the world by far! I always wonder why in west they keep ass dirty after toilet! Toto should go into western market more to keep asses in west clean after shit! That was my biggest culture shock when I went to west to UK and France for first time in my life that the toilet is too behind and dirty and hey it is 2022 and they still do not have better advanced toilet in west! LOL! Why? LOL![/QUOTE]I don't recall seeing any bidets at the FKKs in Germany. Anybody else? Dr. Poon you're at it again! They do have them at several of the top clubs in Spain. I feel like I can get cleaner taking a full body shower. But of course, you don't always have the time to do that.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2734439]I always thought you can fuck stunner girls for very good price like 100 usd, but are mexican that unorganized?[/QUOTE]Yes, Tijuana is very popular among Americans.

I sincerely hope that no one bases their views of the USA, nor Tijuana, on the posts of Dr. Poon. Not sure where he is from.

The unhygienic survival sex workers likely constitute 0. 1 percent of the USA Scene, if that. Seeing one of them, given the neighborhoods in which they operate, is far more dangerous than taking the tram and walking to known places in Tijuana along with the large crowds walking along the streets.

Is there more safety risk in Tijuana than San Diego? Of course, but it is still a very low risk in percentage terms, as can be observed from the numerous ISG posts of guys going there.

Most guys in Southern California would choose among the following:

A Korean lady in LA's Koreatown that would likely be $350-$450 an hour, with some limited screening.

An independent non-Asian escort who screens rather heavily and has reviews on escort review boards and is likely in the $500-$600 an hour range.

An escort participating in the mass classified ad system in the $200-$350 an hour range. She will likely be a step down from the first two options. Not only will he incur some law-enforcement risks, but she may be a drug user and she might provide a lower level of service.

A trip to Tijuana where he can match what he would get from the first two options at a much lower price. Although he is surprisingly more likely to encounter CBJs in Tijuana than in the first two options. However, a small tip can often overcome this issue.

I don't recognize this USA That Dr. Poon describes.

Of course there is the Sugar Baby system that is unlike traditional sex work. A person can read that ISG thread. It is certainly also very popular in California.

This is what most guys in California would evaluate and compare to a trip to Europe. Not this strange dystopian So. Cal that DrPoon describes. Not sure participants in the street scene really have the resources to get to Europe, or jobs that take them on international journeys.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2734434]I always wonder why in west they keep ass dirty after toilet![/QUOTE]Japanese people were disgusted to see westerners blowing their noses in handkerchiefs and then sticking the "snot rags" in their pockets! This was a "dirty habit" that the Japanese people vowed never to adopt LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2734435]Pierre Woodman is the pride of all French men LOL! Unlike other wimp girly french man in FKK, Pierre Woodman knows how to fuck professional girls properly like man LOL! All this cien, suka spanking LOL! But all that for 900 euro? Those girls must be so stupid LOL! Whatta amazing job he has LOL! But I doubt he make a lot of money though, but enough I guess LOL!
Pierre Woodman has small french mini size penis though, no wonder why some french men are often complex about their size of penis LOL![/QUOTE]
Well it is not necessary stupid if you see about the supply and demand in porn industries in Europe and if you consider that the shooting is not in Japan.

You will not be surprised if you know how much these girls get paid for a porn scene from agents in their own countries like in Hungary, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Russia. In fact, Woodman pay rate is already in the upper middle scale and in many occasions he is shooting his porn scene from those countries to minimise the cost.
He normally get his girls from Hungary, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Russia, Romania, Moldova. He sometimes also gets some US, UK pornstars to play in his scene.

Some people get blinded thinking that porn industries are glamorous, looking into the headlines how much the star like Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, etc earn. Well the figures you see in the headlines are the figures where they pay themselves from their own production companies. When you pay yourself you could quote the figure whatever you want to.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2732579]How did you find the interview to be Porn star?......[/QUOTE]This was way back in the 1970's when I used to frequent, among others, a porn establishment called Show World Center in NYC. They used to have peep shows with videos and live girls. There were three levels and one level had live sex shows with couples and lesbians. I got to know some of the guys working there and was told where I could go to 'audition' for porn videos. I had too many family members and relatives to do that.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2734240]As you wrote, we had golden years in year 1999 to 2001 I believe, oh wow how I so enjoyed those golden years when I was teen and top weed was over the counter legal in professional grower shops, I smoked and fuck stunners, amazing time LOL!

The thing is CDB weed is legal it seems now, but now THC is not! I miss those golden years, but it is what it is and I follow the law! I had best time with weed, so that is that until the situation legally provide with the best weed again!

I might at one point go to Amsterdam to try ecstacy mdma sex with top escort stunner for a week as it is all legal in Amsterdam! I will book top escort from Germany to bring her over to Amsterdam though as I am not sure if Amsterdam escorts provide quality young girls![/QUOTE]My golden years were in the 1970's and 1980's and guess where? In the good old USA. I have mongered all over the world and the best mongering for me ever was in NYC back then. Hot girls of FKK quality for $20 and $30 but even at that price I could not afford to bang much more than once or twice a week but the service was out of this world. I went to Amsterdam in my first trip to Europe in 1973 but could not afford to bang even one girl as I was very low on cash. I returned in 1992 but did not find the mongering any better than back home, probably about the same. How the USA has fallen since then but I have great memories.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2734565]My golden years were in the 1970's and 1980's and guess where? In the good old USA. I have mongered all over the world and the best mongering for me ever was in NYC back then. Hot girls of FKK quality for $20 and $30 but even at that price I could not afford to bang much more than once or twice a week but the service was out of this world. I went to Amsterdam in my first trip to Europe in 1973 but could not afford to bang even one girl as I was very low on cash. I returned in 1992 but did not find the mongering any better than back home, probably about the same. How the USA has fallen since then but I have great memories.[/QUOTE]The decline of America started in the 1970's. From that point on each generation made less money than the one before it. The hours of work increased and the pay adjusted for inflation decreased. The middle class was obliterated, and the female to male ratio decreased thereby leaving extra men. The government started putting men in jail for having sex or attempting to have sex, raised the age of consent across the board thereby diluting the market of available women. It disarmed law abiding citizens and put guns in the hands of gang members and drug dealers, then legalized drugs (marijuana) and in some states other drugs too. In sum, the USA is in the dark ages.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2734439]I always thought you can fuck stunner girls for very good price like 100 usd, but are mexican that unorganized?[/QUOTE]Illegal Mexicans are now being bussed to NYC, so maybe the Mexican girl prices in NYC will decrease in light of the expanded supply. New York gives illegals a New York state ID card so they can take their cash and put it in a bank account using their state ID card.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2734468]An independent non-Asian escort who screens rather heavily and has reviews on escort review boards and is likely in the $500-$600 an hour range. I don't recognize this USA That Dr. Poon describes.
[/QUOTE]What are the top independent review boards these days (you can tell me by PM if that would be more appropriate)? One reason I gave up on the American scene a long, long time ago (besides it being mostly illegal) is all of the tutes asking for "references". I'm not from here, so how am I supposed to provide your ass with "references"? I get the need to screen but it was a nuisance or just plain dangerously invasive (tutes asking for picture ID and office phone numbers and stuff). I also don't recognize the USA that Dr. Poon describes (and all matter of other things he writes about either).

[QUOTE=Turgid;2734565]My golden years were in the 1970's and 1980's and guess where? In the good old USA. I have mongered all over the world and the best mongering for me ever was in NYC back then. Hot girls of FKK quality for $20 and $30 but even at that price I could not afford to bang much more than once or twice a week but the service was out of this world. I went to Amsterdam in my first trip to Europe in 1973 but could not afford to bang even one girl as I was very low on cash. I returned in 1992 but did not find the mongering any better than back home, probably about the same. How the USA has fallen since then but I have great memories.[/QUOTE]You are the survivor as I heard with Studio 54 and all that 1970's and 1980's New York was real sex city, but there came HIV, so there was another price called life during that sex era of New York, but here you are, so you survived the good old golden era of New York! It changed a lot since then as nyc is not exactly good mongering destination, well USA is not unfortunately!

In 1970's, I was not even born!

I mongered around world too, but nowhere beat the variety of Germany or Zurich FKK and yes, I have not been to Brazil yet as it is over 20 hours from where I live, but it is in my bucket list, I will do a month or two tour in Brazil fucking everyday, that will be quite a trip!

My favorite years were 1999 to 2001 Zurich as girls were stunners, some were even Swiss stunners and weed was legal in Zurich back then! So I had amazing out of mind drug sex LOL! But when I found out german FKK bit late in year 2009, I was mind blown by the set up of FKK LOL! It was Artemis! It is the disney land for mongers LOL!

Memories is what important in life and I am glad we managed to get a lot of sexual ones as only few men managed to do that! Let us collect more memories LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2734558]This was way back in the 1970's when I used to frequent, among others, a porn establishment called Show World Center in NYC. They used to have peep shows with videos and live girls. There were three levels and one level had live sex shows with couples and lesbians. I got to know some of the guys working there and was told where I could go to 'audition' for porn videos. I had too many family members and relatives to do that.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that is the down side of porn, but POV could have been the option, but I guess there was no POV porn back then, but hey you could have been the pioneer of POV LOL! Then there is no point as you be famous as the pioneer of POV LOL!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2734553]Well it is not necessary stupid if you see about the supply and demand in porn industries in Europe and if you consider that the shooting is not in Japan.

You will not be surprised if you know how much these girls get paid for a porn scene from agents in their own countries like in Hungary, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Russia. In fact, Woodman pay rate is already in the upper middle scale and in many occasions he is shooting his porn scene from those countries to minimise the cost.
He normally get his girls from Hungary, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Russia, Romania, Moldova. He sometimes also gets some US, UK pornstars to play in his scene.

Some people get blinded thinking that porn industries are glamorous, looking into the headlines how much the star like Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, etc earn. Well the figures you see in the headlines are the figures where they pay themselves from their own production companies. When you pay yourself you could quote the figure whatever you want to.[/QUOTE]Ok, then what the fuck are we doing here? LOL! Let shoot porn in Hungary or whereever that has young stunners who are willing to do it for that rate LOL! For our privacy we can do POV ones LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2734528]Japanese people were disgusted to see westerners blowing their noses in handkerchiefs and then sticking the "snot rags" in their pockets! This was a "dirty habit" that the Japanese people vowed never to adopt LOL![/QUOTE]Yeah! Why West are so dirty is my question? I mean look, toilet, why they do not implement Toto washlet toilet or Panasonic washlet toilet from Japan? It clean your ass after big thing in toilet and it is scientifically proven to better to keep your ass clean just like in life LOL!

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2734468]Yes, Tijuana is very popular among Americans.

I sincerely hope that no one bases their views of the USA, nor Tijuana, on the posts of Dr. Poon. Not sure where he is from.

The unhygienic survival sex workers likely constitute 0. 1 percent of the USA Scene, if that. Seeing one of them, given the neighborhoods in which they operate, is far more dangerous than taking the tram and walking to known places in Tijuana along with the large crowds walking along the streets.

Is there more safety risk in Tijuana than San Diego? Of course, but it is still a very low risk in percentage terms, as can be observed from the numerous ISG posts of guys going there.

Most guys in Southern California would choose among the following:

A Korean lady in LA's Koreatown that would likely be $350-$450 an hour, with some limited screening.

An independent non-Asian escort who screens rather heavily and has reviews on escort review boards and is likely in the $500-$600 an hour range.

An escort participating in the mass classified ad system in the $200-$350 an hour range. She will likely be a step down from the first two options. Not only will he incur some law-enforcement risks, but she may be a drug user and she might provide a lower level of service.

A trip to Tijuana where he can match what he would get from the first two options at a much lower price. Although he is surprisingly more likely to encounter CBJs in Tijuana than in the first two options. However, a small tip can often overcome this issue.

I don't recognize this USA That Dr. Poon describes.

Of course there is the Sugar Baby system that is unlike traditional sex work. A person can read that ISG thread. It is certainly also very popular in California.

This is what most guys in California would evaluate and compare to a trip to Europe. Not this strange dystopian So. Cal that DrPoon describes. Not sure participants in the street scene really have the resources to get to Europe, or jobs that take them on international journeys.[/QUOTE]I think Mexico should legalize prostitution or have they? Either way, it is wise for them to make something like FKK in USA Mexico border so it is good income for mexicans and it is good place for real USA Mexico billateral relationship LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2734460]I don't recall seeing any bidets at the FKKs in Germany. Anybody else? Dr. Poon you're at it again! They do have them at several of the top clubs in Spain. I feel like I can get cleaner taking a full body shower. But of course, you don't always have the time to do that.[/QUOTE]I have seen in house Medical Doctor in FKK, but that only in Artemis, how FKK stay so safe with STD is unclear, but I never heard any incidents there has been outbreak of STD in FKK! It is quite amazing that no media has reported on that angle of STD and FKK yet!

Also I never had smelly girls in FKK! Their breath seems to smell neutral always and it is amazing considering how much they smoke often on their empty stomach too!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2734638]Also I never had smelly girls in FKK! Their breath seems to smell neutral always and it is amazing considering how much they smoke often on their empty stomach too![/QUOTE]I have been with one girl with bad breath at the FKKs, which is pretty remarkable given how many I have sessioned with over the years. It was at Oase, and if I recall correctly, I think she was a favorite of Syzygies. Remember Syzgies? Anyway, she was Romanian or Moldovan, blondish hair, and discussed much here (don't remember her name). Actually, it wasn't that her breath smelled bad. It's that her mouth tasted bad.

You see, she asked me if she could kiss me. I gave her the OK, and when she did, her mouth tasted like an ashtray! Yuck! Anyway, I ended up butt fucking her in the room face down and hard. That way, I didn't have to taste her mouth anymore! Think I teased Syzgies that I had butt fucked his girl LOL! What happened to Syzgies anyway? He started spending all of his time in Thailand. Have not heard from him in years.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2734637]I think Mexico should legalize prostitution or have they? Either way, it is wise for them to make something like FKK in USA Mexico border so it is good income for mexicans and it is good place for real USA Mexico billateral relationship LOL![/QUOTE]Prostitution is legal in designated zones, which includes Tijuana.

The Tijuana clubs have nearby rooms where the sex occurs. Food and drinks are available in the Tijuana clubs.

Is it has fundamental similarities to FKKs except it is a party atmosphere.

Every country is different. Germany is Germany, Mexico is Mexico, and the USA Is the USA.

Each country has its own unique system.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2734638]I have seen in house Medical Doctor in FKK, but that only in Artemis, how FKK stay so safe with STD is unclear, but I never heard any incidents there has been outbreak of STD in FKK! It is quite amazing that no media has reported on that angle of STD and FKK yet!

Also I never had smelly girls in FKK! Their breath seems to smell neutral always and it is amazing considering how much they smoke often on their empty stomach too![/QUOTE]I thought they had them at Goldentime girls locker room. Also I have noted at Goldentime whenever a girl used the restroom she would spray perfume in it so as to leave a nice smell for any hobbyist entering it.

In Germany there was never an issue with hygiene among any of the FKK girls I have met. In any case there is a very real problem with bad hygiene among USA women especially ones walking the street which is also referred to as the "blade."

[QUOTE=MrHo;2734637]I think Mexico should legalize prostitution or have they? Either way, it is wise for them to make something like FKK in USA Mexico border so it is good income for mexicans and it is good place for real USA Mexico billateral relationship LOL![/QUOTE]Here is a good video of cars being firebombed in Tijuana last week:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOsvz1uK-vg[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2734634]Ok, then what the fuck are we doing here? LOL! Let shoot porn in Hungary or wherever that has young stunners who are willing to do it for that rate LOL! For our privacy we can do POV ones LOL![/QUOTE]
Look at the Woodman Casting X website and see how hot many of the girls are. This is just one of many examples "Trixxxie Fox" a Dutch new comers. As a new comer, you could not easily find her on many porn sites. She might qualify as a catwalk model, considering her look, age and figure: Tall 179 cm, quite slim, blue eyes, Natural Blond. She "might" be available for booking as an escort, under a different name than her screen name, like many other pornstars in Europe if you spend time searching it.

All of us mongers have interest to preserve our environments; not to destroy them. When all people start thinking the girls in Europe should get paid the same as the girls in the US, AU, CA, etc than that is the start of the destruction of our own environment. That argument is also absurd as the other parts of the world is a different sub-environment, different supply and demand, different law, different wages, etc. Also consider the travelling cost, accommodation, opportunity cost, etc. We have seen the destruction of RLD in Amsterdam. The Dutch people are even need to travel to outside Amsterdam, Germany, or Spain or even to Asia to continue their mongers. What you do not want is that someday you will no longer be able travel to Europe for mongers as the price is the same with those in other countries like the US, AU, CA, etc.

If you look at the Czech, Prague board many mongers start complaining the skyrocketing rate in comparison to the pay-rise they get. Some FKKs in Germany have started the slippery slope journey where the number of visitors start to decline. I believe, many of punters are not ordinary John and could effort to pay even more than ten times the current rates. But it will be a different matter if you just come once in a few years compared to other people who come on regular basis, sometimes a few times a week.

Woodman produces a porn scene almost every single week, where he is also starring them. Considering the duration of his careers in porn industry, arguably, he probably has fucked stunners more than anyone else in this world. You do not want that some days the girls like in his scenes are exclusively only for the people like Woodman. Keep in mind many punters might have a much better looks, more fit and younger than him. It is just a matter of time if all people start thinking the girls should get paid similar to the US, AU, CA, etc

[QUOTE=Adindas;2734785]If you look at the Czech, Prague board many mongers start complaining the skyrocketing rate in comparison to the pay-rise they get. Some FKKs in Germany have started the slippery slope journey where the number of visitors start to decline. I believe, many of punters are not ordinary John and could effort to pay even more than ten times the current rates. But it will be a different matter if you just come once in a few years compared to other people who come on regular basis, sometimes a few times a week.[/QUOTE]Nothing new, I've been saying that already 1 year ago, when most useful idiots here still wanted to believe the "lockdowns-vaccines-masks work" fairytales of the CCP trolls.

Fact: the more leftwing and WEF-oriented a government, the more restricted they are when it comes to P6 and P4P. What has been true for centuries is that small-government, conservative pro-business politicians are the best recipe for the P6 scene to flourish. For example: the Amsterdam RLD, the Hamburg Reeperbahn, or the Antwerp Schipperskwartier, and the overall European tolerant attitude towards P6 [U]have been around for centuries,[/U] this is nothing new and has zero to do with the leftwing flower power movement of the late 1960's.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2547767]So true, but as a 'return favour' we get communism in the rest of Europe now: central economic planning and a Covid1984 police state.

Want to see the future of German FKKs? Look at Sweden where ultra radical leftwing feminist and a bunch of soy-boy-feminised 'men' are running the show.

Traditionally, P6 has prospered in a conservative and business-minded climate just look at Hong Kong, West-Germany, Holland, Belgium. Wherever there is liberty, there is prosperity, and where there is prosperity, there are WGs. The only exception is the puritan US and the Victorian UK. The more leftwing and religious a country gets, the worse and more over-regulated the situation becomes with P6. Communism is a religion, or better yet, a cult, just remember that Marx said about religion: "the opium of the people."[/QUOTE]Here is another one of my posts from 1 year ago:

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2563092]Show us examples of this. For example, how 'liberal' are the Greens and socialists in Sweden towards prostitution? Or the Fins? Or the Norwegians?

You make the typical American mistake to think that P6 is a political issue, while in reality it's probably more of a cultural thing. If anything, the left-green political parties are usually in favour of shutting everything down, or 'regulating' and taxing any business so heavily that they go bankrupt. See my example of Belgium below.

There might be some individual cases of 'socialists burning Other People's Money' (OPM) by subsidising a disabled person getting laid by a WG, but generally speaking P6 has been around in Europe for hundreds of years, long before the Green-Socialist agenda was invented by Marx & Co. (Hint: the Schipperskwartier in Antwerpen, or the famous RLD in Amsterdam, the Reeperbahn in Hamburg, etc).

The Greens and socialists have ruled Amsterdam for last few decades so YOU (with your limited life experience and world view) might think that they are responsible for P6, but reality is that they have been cracking down on P6 for years. Why would that be if they are so 'liberal' towards P6? Here are articles from 2008, 2019 and 2021.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/world/europe/24amsterdam.html[/URL]

[URL]https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/19/its-legal-to-sell-sex-in-amsterdam-but-dont-expect-the-same-rights-as-other-self-employed-workers-netherlands-legal-prostitution-sex-workers/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/01/amsterdam-to-move-sex-workers-out-of-city-centre-in-tourism-reset[/URL]

In Amsterdam this is just the first step towards the Swedish model. The socialists got their votes from horny voters and 'progressives' in the past during the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's, but now the "me-too" and radical feminists are in control and dictate the agenda, and not just in the Green parties, but also in the CDU, SPD, FDP and VVD.

Look at all the Labour Party mayors of Amsterdam, and look at who is the current mayor of Amsterdam: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Amsterdam[/URL]#Early_20 th_century.

Why do you think YingYang has been closed in Roermond? Or LR in Kaarst? Hint: radical feminist female mayors!

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rianne_Donders-de_Leest[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaarst[/URL]#Politics.[/QUOTE]Keep listening to clueless leftwing Americans that voting for 'green' neo-communists will improve things, and keep on listening to dumb CCP trolls who want to destroy our freedoms and way of life. The current situation as a result from the last 2,5 years speaks for itself. [B]As Einstein said: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result." [/B].

By the way, speaking of radical neo-Marxist feminazis: when will P6 be legalized in the US now that pro-WEF radical leftwing nutcases under the 'guidance' of Sleepy Joe have been in charge for 2 years already? You must soon be on your way to become 'fully Europeanised' and 'liberated' right? / sarc.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2734785]Look at the Woodman Casting X website and see how hot many of the girls are. This is just one of many examples "Trixxxie Fox" a Dutch new comers. As a new comer, you could not easily find her on many porn sites. She might qualify as a catwalk model, considering her look, age and figure: Tall 179 cm, quite slim, blue eyes, Natural Blond. She "might" be available for booking as an escort, under a different name than her screen name, like many other pornstars in Europe if you spend time searching it.

All of us mongers have interest to preserve our environments; not to destroy them. When all people start thinking the girls in Europe should get paid the same as the girls in the US, AU, CA, etc than that is the start of the destruction of our own environment. That argument is also absurd as the other parts of the world is a different sub-environment, different supply and demand, different law, different wages, etc. Also consider the travelling cost, accommodation, opportunity cost, etc. We have seen the destruction of RLD in Amsterdam. The Dutch people are even need to travel to outside Amsterdam, Germany, or Spain or even to Asia to continue their mongers. What you do not want is that someday you will no longer be able travel to Europe for mongers as the price is the same with those in other countries like the US, AU, CA, etc.[/QUOTE]If Europe is down one day, then I got Brazil and you know what? That is how it works, if one place is gone as the time changes, other new place with new relaxed law with some entrepreneur spirit brothel owners emerges, so we just got to keep on moving like sharks LOL!

As for Porn, Woodman used to get better girls back in early 2000's, some day he still get it right, but I wonder where he get those some of the stunners from for such cheap rates! What are the porn agencies he uses and how can we book those girls for our private shooting with our phone camera etc, but I guess it is almost only open for professional porn industry people! But here, I can fuck some of them! I wonder how it works in Europe!

Pierre woodman has helluva fucking style with his mini size French penis LOL!

See the enclosed photo of hunger stone from 1616. ""If you can see me, weep", recording the drought of then and now. As Pink Floyd sang, "Another brick in the wall".

[QUOTE=TheCane;2734460]I don't recall seeing any bidets at the FKKs in Germany. Anybody else? Dr. Poon you're at it again! They do have them at several of the top clubs in Spain. I feel like I can get cleaner taking a full body shower. But of course, you don't always have the time to do that.[/QUOTE]Didn't you know Bruggen? For bidets where girls washed, or in toilets, when no private showers for girls in club number 1 in Germany.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2734915]See the enclosed photo of hunger stone from 1616. ""If you can see me, weep", recording the drought of then and now. As Pink Floyd sang, "Another brick in the wall".[/QUOTE]Those were the gold old days back in the 1616 era. There were not women in the workforce thereby raising housing costs since the incomes were only 1/2 of those currently and inflation was not out of control. The economy was still also on the gold standard and there was not an out of control government.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2734870]
As for Porn, Woodman used to get better girls back in early 2000's, some day he still get it right, but I wonder where he get those some of the stunners from for such cheap rates! What are the porn agencies he uses and how can we book those girls for our private shooting with our phone camera etc, but I guess it is almost only open for professional porn industry people! But here, I can fuck some of them! I wonder how it works in Europe!
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It is not cheap, that is the ongoing rate in porn industry. Even in the US they get paid around $600 in average per shoot (see attached). Keep in mind in porn scene it will involve a few hours work, Bareback, DAP, GB, sometimes with three holes are penetrated at the same times with giant cocks. That is why the FKKs price EUR50 half hour (or EUR 100 per hour) is still competitive. If you do a few hours and you include all extras such as Filming, DAP, BB, GB, you are already paying more than a pornstar get paid.
The Japanese production companies also make AMWF scene regularly such as in Kin8tengoku. They sometimes make shooting in Hungary, Czech Republic, Russia. If you want to make a porn scene presumably you will need to trace them from their social networking sites or contacting their agents.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2735096]It is not cheap, that is the ongoing rate in porn industry. Even in the US I also already post evidence in my previous post, they get paid around $600 (lower scale) per shoot.
The Japanese production companies also make AMWF scene regularly such as in Kin8tengoku. They sometimes make shooting in Hungary, Czech Republic, Russia. If you want to make a porn scene presumably you will need to trace them from their social networking sites or contacting their agents.[/QUOTE]Then why aren't we filming POV porn as it is cheaper than our hobby trip to Germany that I spend minimum around 5000 euro LOL!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2734915]See the enclosed photo of hunger stone from 1616. ""If you can see me, weep", recording the drought of then and now. As Pink Floyd sang, "Another brick in the wall".[/QUOTE]What is this hunger stone? They scratch the wall because they are hungry or?

[QUOTE=Adindas;2734785]Look at the Woodman Casting X website and see how hot many of the girls are. This is just one of many examples "Trixxxie Fox" a Dutch new comers. As a new comer, you could not easily find her on many porn sites. She might qualify as a catwalk model, considering her look, age and figure: Tall 179 cm, quite slim, blue eyes, Natural Blond. She "might" be available for booking as an escort, under a different name than her screen name, like many other pornstars in Europe if you spend time searching it.

All of us mongers have interest to preserve our environments; not to destroy them. When all people start thinking the girls in Europe should get paid the same as the girls in the US, AU, CA, etc than that is the start of the destruction of our own environment. That argument is also absurd as the other parts of the world is a different sub-environment, different supply and demand, different law, different wages, etc. Also consider the travelling cost, accommodation, opportunity cost, etc. We have seen the destruction of RLD in Amsterdam. The Dutch people are even need to travel to outside Amsterdam, Germany, or Spain or even to Asia to continue their mongers. What you do not want is that someday you will no longer be able travel to Europe for mongers as the price is the same with those in other countries like the US, AU, CA, etc.

If you look at the Czech, Prague board many mongers start complaining the skyrocketing rate in comparison to the pay-rise they get. Some FKKs in Germany have started the slippery slope journey where the number of visitors start to decline. I believe, many of punters are not ordinary John and could effort to pay even more than ten times the current rates. But it will be a different matter if you just come once in a few years compared to other people who come on regular basis, sometimes a few times a week.

Woodman produces a porn scene almost every single week, where he is also starring them. Considering the duration of his careers in porn industry, arguably, he probably has fucked stunners more than anyone else in this world. You do not want that some days the girls like in his scenes are exclusively only for the people like Woodman. Keep in mind many punters might have a much better looks, more fit and younger than him. It is just a matter of time if all people start thinking the girls should get paid similar to the US, AU, CA, etc[/QUOTE]Well how do we get the girls from porn agencies to film POV? What are the porn agencies that provide you with porn actress, but I presume they are only for professional and we need contact to film the scene not just paying!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2735096]It is not cheap, that is the ongoing rate in porn industry. Even in the US I they get paid around $600 in average per shoot (see attached). Keep in mind in porn scene it will invoice a few hours work, Bareback, DAP, GB, sometimes with giant cocks. That is why the FKKs price EUR50 half hour is still competitive. If you include all extras such as Filming, DAP, BB, GB, you are already paying more than a pornstar get paid.
The Japanese production companies also make AMWF scene regularly such as in Kin8tengoku. They sometimes make shooting in Hungary, Czech Republic, Russia. If you want to make a porn scene presumably you will need to trace them from their social networking sites or contacting their agents.[/QUOTE]Porn is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. Because it is simply copied and distributed, no one makes money in porn, with the possible exception of a few fetish genres.

The USA Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence or even as marketing as part of independent escorting, or both.

Some of you guys who only see the world of sex work from within a German FKK really need to study the worldwide industry. It is bigger and better paying than you realize, particularly in the USA.

Any recommendations for FKK or other fun near here?

So strangely this club northwest of theüsseldorf has five stars on Google. Fake reviews? Admission is only 20 so that seems suspect. Anyone ever been. Any intel?

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2735104]Porn is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. Because it is simply copied and distributed, no one makes money in porn, with the possible exception of a few fetish genres.

The USA Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence or even as marketing as part of independent escorting, or both.

Some of you guys who only see the world of sex work from within a German FKK really need to study the worldwide industry. It is bigger and better paying than you realize, particularly in the USA.[/QUOTE]Please elaborate LOL!

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2735104]Porn is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. Because it is simply copied and distributed, no one makes money in porn, with the possible exception of a few fetish genres.

The USA Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence or even as marketing as part of independent escorting, or both.

Some of you guys who only see the world of sex work from within a German FKK really need to study the worldwide industry. It is bigger and better paying than you realize, particularly in the USA.[/QUOTE]
I am not quite sure whether the porn industry is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. But I do know that a pornstar in the US get paid a little bit more than their counterpart in Europe. Also, I do know that the porn industry in the US is growing instead of shrinking. The law in economics dictates that a business could only grow if there is a profit to be made. The porn industry revenue nowadays gets boosted from an exclusive subscription basis, live casting, live session. Unless you pay a subscription, It is very difficult to make a copy of it when they are newly launched like you would have found in the old days. In the old days people could simply duplicate it from hard media CD / DVDs and distribute it. Some people are profiting from this illegal activity. Certainly, in the future hackers might be able to crack it but by that time they have break-even from their production cost or even make profit from that scenes. Also they might have used new technologies that make it more difficult to crack or to copy. Also even if got cracked and people could get copy it for free or know where to get it for free, there is a still be a barrier for this.

Regarding the comment "Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence" might be true (I do not know). But the ongoing rate in the porn industries are well known as it is well reported in the main medias. A few people already know it since a long time ago. But you do not need to do deep research to find information; Spending a few minutes searching will do. These are just one of a few examples (see attached) with a few minute work.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/20/porns-dirtiest-secret-what-everyone-gets-paid.html[/URL]

"Here's how things break down. For a "traditional" sex scene between a man and a woman, the average actress' compensation is typically between $800 and $1,000, depending on the studio's budget. Top-tier performers can earn as much as $1,500, occasionally $2,000, while newcomers with bad representation might earn as little as $300".

In the headlines sometimes people read a few-pornstars are getting paid a few hundred thousand US$ per scene. Many of these news are only for publicity stunts where they get paid from their own production companies. Even a male pornstar like Kieran Lee boasting his income from porn, making the publicity stunt insuring his cock. But when people pay themselves the money will go back to their own pockets, thus they will be able to quote any figure they want to.

A few people think that most people visiting FKK, people in this ISG are ordinary John, who just see the sex industry from the German FKK perspective. A few people in this ISG think that other people do not travel worldwide, do not go to places other than German FKK. Well, you don't need to spend a lot time to find out that this is far from the truth. Let alone for people who have been more than a decade in this forum (starting from the old WSG forum).

[QUOTE=Adindas;2735244]I am not quite sure whether the porn industry is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. But I do know that a pornstar in the US get paid a little bit more than their counterpart in Europe. Also, I do know that the porn industry in the US is growing instead of shrinking. The law in economics dictates that a business could only grow if there is a profit to be made. The porn industry revenue nowadays gets boosted from an exclusive subscription basis, live casting, live session. Unless you pay a subscription, It is very difficult to make a copy of it when they are newly launched like you would have found in the old days. In the old days people could simply duplicate it from hard media CD / DVDs and distribute it. Some people are profiting from this illegal activity. Certainly, in the future hackers might be able to crack it but by that time they have break-even from their production cost or even make profit from that scenes. Also they might have used new technologies that make it more difficult to crack or to copy. Also even if got cracked and people could get copy it for free or know where to get it for free, there is a still be a barrier for this.

Regarding the comment "Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence" might be true (I do not know). But the ongoing rate in the porn industries are well known as it is well reported in the main medias. A few people already know it since a long time ago. But you do not need to do deep research to find information; Spending a few minutes searching will do. These are just one of a few examples (see attached) with a few minute work.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/20/porns-dirtiest-secret-what-everyone-gets-paid.html[/URL]

"Here's how things break down. For a "traditional" sex scene between a man and a woman, the average actress' compensation is typically between $800 and $1,000, depending on the studio's budget. Top-tier performers can earn as much as $1,500, occasionally $2,000, while newcomers with bad representation might earn as little as $300".

In the headlines sometimes people read a few-pornstars are getting paid a few hundred thousand US$ per scene. Many of these news are only for publicity stunts where they get paid from their own production companies. Even a male pornstar like Kieran Lee boasting his income from porn, making the publicity stunt insuring his cock. But when people pay themselves the money will go back to their own pockets, thus they will be able to quote any figure they want to.

A few people think that most people visiting FKK, people in this ISG are ordinary John, who just see the sex industry from the German FKK perspective. A few people in this ISG think that other people do not travel worldwide, do not go to places other than German FKK. Well, you don't need to spend a lot time to find out that this is far from the truth. Let alone for people who have been more than a decade in this forum (starting from the old WSG forum).[/QUOTE]But I find some girls in FKK so much more attractive and interesting than mostly ugly porn dolls. When I see what Clea Gautier became, just to cry. Porn is for frustrated guys who can t pay prostitutes. Real catastrophe now young learn sex like this, poor girls to become pieces of meat. Globe Zurich is perfect example: previously elegant with charm girls, now girls on lower level than many in Germany for less expensive, but You can play porn there.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2735103]Well how do we get the girls from porn agencies to film POV? What are the porn agencies that provide you with porn actress, but I presume they are only for professional and we need contact to film the scene not just paying![/QUOTE]In many cases you could get the agency where they are working from their porn profiles in the porn listing sites.

A few to name.

[URL]https://www.thenude.com[/URL]

[URL]https://www.indexxx.com/home[/URL]

[URL]https://www.iafd.com/studio.asp[/URL]

I am not saying it is easy especially a person contacting them who are not trustworthy, not a well known production companies. I think people aware that the agents, or even bimbos working for those agent know very well that there are a lot of time wasters, scammers out-there ready to scam them.

Also like mentioned before many of them are using a different name in the booking sites than their screen name.

Alternatively, especially in Germany, in the UK you could get them in the sex parties with much cheaper prices. But again I am not saying it is easy.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2735275]In many cases you could get the agency where they are working from their porn profiles in the porn listing sites.

A few to name.

[URL]https://www.thenude.com[/URL]

[URL]https://www.indexxx.com/home[/URL]

[URL]https://www.iafd.com/studio.asp[/URL]

I am not saying it is easy especially a person contacting them who are not trustworthy, not a well known production companies. I think people aware that the agents, or even bimbos working for those agent know very well that there are a lot of time wasters, scammers out-there ready to scam them.

Also like mentioned before many of them are using a different name in the booking sites than their screen name.

Alternatively, especially in Germany, in the UK you could get them in the sex parties with much cheaper prices. But again I am not saying it is easy.[/QUOTE]These sites do not have contact details, but I think it is not possible to book them unless you have contact because too many scammers as you said!

I hope there are booking site you pay monthly so it shows you are serious and you can book girls to shoot for sure!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2735280]These sites do not have contact details, but I think it is not possible to book them unless you have contact because too many scammers as you said!

I hope there are booking site you pay monthly so it shows you are serious and you can book girls to shoot for sure![/QUOTE]Beside scammers, time wasters, the more important point is that they are not going to publish the address of porn agencies, links to the sites, without getting paid. They provide bare minimum information to support the notion of profile listing and ignore the others. People who are interested could start searching the name of the agent by themselves.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2735273]But I find some girls in FKK so much more attractive and interesting than mostly ugly porn dolls. When I see what Clea Gautier became, just to cry. Porn is for frustrated guys who can t pay prostitutes. Real catastrophe now young learn sex like this, poor girls to become pieces of meat. Globe Zurich is perfect example: previously elegant with charm girls, now girls on lower level than many in Germany for less expensive, but You can play porn there.[/QUOTE]Some are not attractive and old, but majority of the new comers are attractive, many are more attractive than the one you see in FKKs. The production companies know very well, shooting the most attractive girls, newcomers will attract more viewers.
Did you watch the sites like these (a few to name).
Nubiles, Twisty, Sex Arts, ALS Scan, CFNM [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue], Met Arts, [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] Mega World, AmourAngels. Beauty4K, Woodman, etc. Have a look of it and draw your conclusions.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2735322]Beside scammers, time wasters, the more important point is that they are not going to publish the address of porn agencies, links to the sites, without getting paid. They provide bare minimum information to support the notion of profile listing and ignore the others. People who are interested could start searching the name of the agent by themselves.[/QUOTE]True that, I do hope it is easier though, but it is what it is, at least I live better sex life than these porn actors from the stand point of quality of girls!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2733095]Whilst dope may be OK for artsy-fartsy stuff and sloppy attribution metrics, in my experience it makes people daft, so let's not rationalize it as some passport to another dimension of IQ or creativity. The greats of the last few centuries Beethoven, Da Vinci, Dalton, Einstein and Feynmann (random sampling) did not start the day with THC. Being exceptional means exceptional devotion, drive and not fucking around with brain retarding drugs. The bullsiht and mystique of the 1960's is just that. The Paul Barans, Andy Grove, Lockheed Martin's Johnson Kelly and Warren Buffet did not futz about. Neither did Soros. I believe with daily BJs by beautiful young women they could have scaled new heights. Stay of the garbage, reject bad nutrition, bad doctors and the lies of the media. Everything about a good nights sleep, exercise, nutrition and working hard and diligently to pursue dreams is true. The bit I'd change is lots of breath taking beautiful young women that represent the vitality of life force and joy of having sex with them for inspiration and motivation.[/QUOTE]Well you can say the same thing about wine and beer but normal humans find balance, practice moderation, and enjoy life. Grandstanders who enjoy those things but criticize weed are just self deluding hypocrites.

By the way, Lockheed Martin is not the name of an actual person but rather the result of the merger of two separate companies. Maybe that's just the dope causing some fuzziness.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2735647]Well you can say the same thing about wine and beer but normal humans find balance, practice moderation, and enjoy life. Grandstanders who enjoy those things but criticize weed are just self deluding hypocrites.

By the way, Lockheed Martin is not the name of an actual person but rather the result of the merger of two separate companies. Maybe that's just the dope causing some fuzziness.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure he understands that Lockheed Martin is a company, given that he referenced once of their most notable employees.

[QUOTE=Samplerr;2735810]Pretty sure he understands that Lockheed Martin is a company, given that he referenced once of their most notable employees.[/QUOTE]True, I'm probably a little hazzy on the dope.

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[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2735647]Well you can say the same thing about wine and beer but normal humans find balance, practice moderation, and enjoy life. Grandstanders who enjoy those things but criticize weed are just self deluding hypocrites.

By the way, Lockheed Martin is not the name of an actual person but rather the result of the merger of two separate companies. Maybe that's just the dope causing some fuzziness.[/QUOTE]One of the most advanced weapon company in the whole world, the weapon that fly high as we mongers missile between our leg also is inter continental ballistic missile that are designated to shoot in stunners mouth, pussy and anal LOL!

Marijuanna is going to be legalized in Germany, German prime minister announced it officially!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2736355]Marijuanna is going to be legalized in Germany, German prime minister announced it officially![/QUOTE]Marijuana will lower the testosterone of Germans and thus lower the demand for FKK.

Autobahns I love so much since Kraftwerk when I was a child, will become dangerous with under drugs who don't have reflex nor concentration.

Dang Mr. Ho! Now they're setting up "tute platforms" on the moon! Get your "dark side" licked on the far side of the moon LOLOLOL! I wonder if there will be a gym too? Ha!

[URL]https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/27/world/how-to-watch-artemis-1-launch-scn/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2737152]Dang Mr. Ho! Now they're setting up "tute platforms" on the moon! Get your "dark side" licked on the far side of the moon LOLOLOL! I wonder if there will be a gym too? Ha!

[URL]https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/27/world/how-to-watch-artemis-1-launch-scn/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL When I first saw your post, I thought Artemis is expanding their building into their exaggeratedly large parking plot LOL! But Artemis is already big enough and as far as the facility go, it is the best one for me except one big complain! Artemis should have done out door fucking spaces as they could have done, but instead, they just made this Arabic theme rooms! I hope they will do something to outdoor that we can fuck outside both in summer and somehow in winter!

Is sharks my best bet on a Sunday in Fra? I know not the best day but that's all I can manage.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2737625]Is sharks my best bet on a Sunday in Fra? I know not the best day but that's all I can manage.[/QUOTE]Sunday is a good day in Sharks right now. During all summer it was one of the busiest day.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2737625]Is sharks my best bet on a Sunday in Fra? I know not the best day but that's all I can manage.[/QUOTE]Yes, Sharks on Sunday. Entry 50 before 2 pm.

Got some business in Dusseldorf for the first time since the pandemic started. I would always make it a point to drive down to Sharks for a day or two, but how are things 2 and a half years later?

If I wasn't able to get down there, what's the best club in NRW? Been to a bunch in the past (Living Room, Samya, Babylon, and a couple more I don't remember names to), but none compared to Sharks, so I kept going back.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2737737]Got some business in Dusseldorf for the first time since the pandemic started. I would always make it a point to drive down to Sharks for a day or two, but how are things 2 and a half years later?

If I wasn't able to get down there, what's the best club in NRW? Been to a bunch in the past (Living Room, Samya, Babylon, and a couple more I don't remember names to), but none compared to Sharks, so I kept going back.[/QUOTE]They were a big party lask weekend in Sharks and it was quite busy with around 80 girls. It's the club with the biggest (and best depending on yor taste) line-up in Germany since the reopening post-COVID.

Around Dusseldorf, Living Room is closed definitely, Samya is frankly not good, Babylon is dying (and not a pretty death, the entry price is rising and the line-up is falling).

Acapulco Gold is probably the best club right now in NRW, with Magnum in second place I would say.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2737737]Got some business in Dusseldorf for the first time since the pandemic started. I would always make it a point to drive down to Sharks for a day or two, but how are things 2 and a half years later?

If I wasn't able to get down there, what's the best club in NRW? Been to a bunch in the past (Living Room, Samya, Babylon, and a couple more I don't remember names to), but none compared to Sharks, so I kept going back.[/QUOTE]If You are not too demanding for beauty, You can find quantity at Sharks. When I m not able to fuck 60 girls on a day, but I need beauty to feel desire and I find prettier elsewhere on this Summer. I would try Gold with few prettiest for half rate, when I can pay 150/60 , when I m not a 30 mn sprinter, but only for fresh natural real GFE beauty.

[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2737778]They were a big party lask weekend in Sharks and it was quite busy with around 80 girls. It's the club with the biggest (and best depending on yor taste) line-up in Germany since the reopening post-COVID.

Around Dusseldorf, Living Room is closed definitely, Samya is frankly not good, Babylon is dying (and not a pretty death, the entry price is rising and the line-up is falling).

Acapulco Gold is probably the best club right now in NRW, with Magnum in second place I would say.[/QUOTE]You don't know the best club in NRW with few prettiest than at Sharks. And for much less expensive. I m sure can still find few good girls at Samya, like queen of BBBJ Rosa with so cute naturals.

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I am planning a three day visit to Dusseldorf. Please let me which are the FKK clubs I must visit among Acapulco Gold, Sauna Club Golden Time and Oceans.

I am curious to know if girls are naked in these clubs like those in Frankfurt.

Also, do please let me know if smoking lounges are separate in these clubs or one can smoke any where like in Sharks.

[QUOTE=FunExplorer;2738175]I am planning a three day visit to Dusseldorf. Please let me which are the FKK clubs I must visit among Acapulco Gold, Sauna Club Golden Time and Oceans.

I am curious to know if girls are naked in these clubs like those in Frankfurt.

Also, do please let me know if smoking lounges are separate in these clubs or one can smoke any where like in Sharks.[/QUOTE]Except at Babylon Elsdorf or Bernds, both around Koln, in other clubs girls are not naked because NRW is north compare to Hessen. Few prettier girls at Gold than at Sharks, even less quantity. Other places to discover in NRW.

[QUOTE=FunExplorer;2738175]I am planning a three day visit to Dusseldorf. Please let me which are the FKK clubs I must visit among Acapulco Gold, Sauna Club Golden Time and Oceans.

I am curious to know if girls are naked in these clubs like those in Frankfurt.

Also, do please let me know if smoking lounges are separate in these clubs or one can smoke any where like in Sharks.[/QUOTE]Around Dusseldorf, the biggest clubs are Acapulco Gold and Magnun.

The ones where you don't want to go are Oceans / GoldenTime and Mondial.

[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2738488]Around Dusseldorf, the biggest clubs are Acapulco Gold and Magnun.

The ones where you don't want to go are Oceans / GoldenTime and Mondial.[/QUOTE]Golden time is no longer there and LR is apparently closed too!

Oceans can have one or max two stunners and it saved my day few times when Gt, lr failed me, and the rumor is that oceans bought gt and lr, how oceans got the money is mystery as I never seen oceans being full!

I started to rant about this in the Sharks thread but general discussions is probably a better place for it.

I mentioned how the pricing structure in Hessen clubs have bastardized the principles of FKK sauna clubs. Instead of being an environment of gratuitous levels of carnal activity where you fuck with multiple partners in a single day, the scene has devolved to people going to hang out and only doing a single session because the the inflation has priced most people out. With the exception of people visiting from far away and wanting get the most out of their short time, not many people are doing more than a single room, perhaps two rooms. Even the guys who come to clubs every week with the idea of looking for the perfect beauty to do a single room fuck up the FKK sauna club concept. You can monger all over the world but few places offer this type of mongering. Even Brazil, where a similar concept is available, doesn't really foster the concept of fully naked girls running around for you to fuck on a whim as Brazilian clubs don't really offer the short sessions.

I don't think the sky has fallen as in NRW and parts of Austria, price inflation hasn't been as fucked. With Hessen losing the essence of FKK sauna, I hope the trend doesn't extend further. I guess since the idea started in NRW at Bernd's, it's fitting that it remains one of the last hold out areas.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2738928]I guess since the idea started in NRW at Bernd's, it's fitting that it remains one of the last hold out areas.[/QUOTE]NRW, not Bernds.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2738928]I started to rant about this in the Sharks thread but general discussions is probably a better place for it.

I mentioned how the pricing structure in Hessen clubs have bastardized the principles of FKK sauna clubs. Instead of being an environment of gratuitous levels of carnal activity where you fuck with multiple partners in a single day, the scene has devolved to people going to hang out and only doing a single session because the the inflation has priced most people out. With the exception of people visiting from far away and wanting get the most out of their short time, not many people are doing more than a single room, perhaps two rooms. Even the guys who come to clubs every week with the idea of looking for the perfect beauty to do a single room fuck up the FKK sauna club concept. You can monger all over the world but few places offer this type of mongering. Even Brazil, where a similar concept is available, doesn't really foster the concept of fully naked girls running around for you to fuck on a whim as Brazilian clubs don't really offer the short sessions.

I don't think the sky has fallen as in NRW and parts of Austria, price inflation hasn't been as fucked. With Hessen losing the essence of FKK sauna, I hope the trend doesn't extend further. I guess since the idea started in NRW at Bernd's, it's fitting that it remains one of the last hold out areas.[/QUOTE]I think 100 euro per 30 min is still bargain price for what we get in the room though, in real life you going to have to invest more time, money, efforts, nerves etc to get it and it is not sure thing!

I used to be able to do 5 to 7 sessions with all cums in room in my early 30's, but when I reached around 35, then it decreases to 3 to 5 sessions in one day with all cum and now 3 to 4 sessions in one day all with cum, so I do think it is more clients of FKK being older because pandemic took out some of the young clients and I add that line up of FKK declined! I have hard time finding the stunner level girl since 2015 !

[QUOTE=MrHo;2738769]Golden time is no longer there and LR is apparently closed too!

Oceans can have one or max two stunners and it saved my day few times when Gt, lr failed me, and the rumor is that oceans bought gt and lr, how oceans got the money is mystery as I never seen oceans being full![/QUOTE]The question is what did Oceans buy? The building of GT was burned down to the ground and essentially it was a lot full of scrap. So it almost should be that GT should be paying rent to host its club at Oceans which apparently never took off and all the girls scattered or disappeared back to Romania or Germany.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2739017]I think 100 euro per 30 min is still bargain price for what we get in the room though, in real life you going to have to invest more time, money, efforts, nerves etc to get it and it is not sure thing!

I do think it is more clients of FKK being older because pandemic took out some of the young clients and I add that line up of FKK declined![/QUOTE]100 e for half hour is pretty average for Europe when private visits are usually 150 e to 200 e per hour and you don't have to pay entry.

If you think the Hessen rates are great, I implore people to visit disco brothels in Spain or Brazil for the same prices and let Germany rates stay Germany rates.

In Hessen FKK sauna clubs, the subject of the gripe, the clientele actually got much younger. They are more heavily populated by young guys drinking and partying at night and doing single rooms. Daytime remains older especially on discount days but those guys on their fixed incomes are definitely not doing more rooms.

Point remains, FKKs Sauna clubs were designed for quantity, not guys looking for a single room because the cost is prohibitive. Nor is the intent of the FKKs for a guy to do a single room with his most elegant beauty. It's about fucking, and fucking a lot.

Hessen FKKs are evolving into simple brothels with one-room guys and naive, horny tourists.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2739052]The question is what did Oceans buy? The building of GT was burned down to the ground and essentially it was a lot full of scrap. So it almost should be that GT should be paying rent to host its club at Oceans which apparently never took off and all the girls scattered or disappeared back to Romania or Germany.[/QUOTE]The license to operate brothel maybe, but Oceans was never busy club, so I wonder where the owner got the money from?

A provider in the USA ranch details her costs and expenses.

Massage costs $500 USD and a full sex CBJ session costs $1000 USD!

[URL]https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/money-diary-nevada-legal-sex-worker-salary[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2738769]Golden time is no longer there and LR is apparently closed too!

Oceans can have one or max two stunners and it saved my day few times when Gt, lr failed me, and the rumor is that oceans bought gt and lr, how oceans got the money is mystery as I never seen oceans being full![/QUOTE]Oceans have rebranded itself as "Oceans / GoldenTime" now, they have the two name. That's a scam of course but I imagine that they arrive to dupe some customers.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2738928]I started to rant about this in the Sharks thread but general discussions is probably a better place for it.

I mentioned how the pricing structure in Hessen clubs have bastardized the principles of FKK sauna clubs. Instead of being an environment of gratuitous levels of carnal activity where you fuck with multiple partners in a single day, the scene has devolved to people going to hang out and only doing a single session because the the inflation has priced most people out. With the exception of people visiting from far away and wanting get the most out of their short time, not many people are doing more than a single room, perhaps two rooms. Even the guys who come to clubs every week with the idea of looking for the perfect beauty to do a single room fuck up the FKK sauna club concept. You can monger all over the world but few places offer this type of mongering. Even Brazil, where a similar concept is available, doesn't really foster the concept of fully naked girls running around for you to fuck on a whim as Brazilian clubs don't really offer the short sessions.

I don't think the sky has fallen as in NRW and parts of Austria, price inflation hasn't been as fucked. With Hessen losing the essence of FKK sauna, I hope the trend doesn't extend further. I guess since the idea started in NRW at Bernd's, it's fitting that it remains one of the last hold out areas.[/QUOTE]I was overly sarcastic in the other thread but I understand where you come from and evidently I would love to see a session at 5030 or even 6030 like in Sixsens / Babylon.

But something seems working in Sharks despite all the doom and gloom because it's still the biggest line-up in Germany and the Wednesdays and weekends are great (and yes the Mondays, Tuesdays and Thursdays are dead, like in any other club right now, but you still have 40 girls in those days, how many clubs can say that?

The most interesting thing for me in your post is the fact that you think "not many people are doing more than a single room", when absolutely nobody that I know is doing less than two and the vast majority more. In fact I'm the one that do the less rooms per day (2 usually), but because I always stay at least three days.

[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2739161]I was overly sarcastic in the other thread but I understand where you come from and evidently I would love to see a session at 5030 or even 6030 like in Sixsens / Babylon.

But something seems working in Sharks despite all the doom and gloom because it's still the biggest line-up in Germany and the Wednesdays and weekends are great (and yes the Mondays, Tuesdays and Thursdays are dead, like in any other club right now, but you still have 40 girls in those days, how many clubs can say that?

The most interesting thing for me in your post is the fact that you think "not many people are doing more than a single room", when absolutely nobody that I know is doing less than two and the vast majority more. In fact I'm the one that do the less rooms per day (2 usually), but because I always stay at least three days.[/QUOTE]Well if you stay for 3 days, I assume you come from out of town and fall under the horny tourist group. The single roomers were meant to describe locals.

Remember, I never said that the club at its current state wouldn't attract customers or a large line up. I said that it is destroying the concept of FKK sauna club.

So yes, if the girls can make more money per room, I'the imagine hot girls would definitely want to work there so long as they get enough rooms to make the difference. And that worsens and spreads the problem. Of course girls want to make more money for less work, so these Hessen clubs will continue to draw the best talent from other areas that still offer the true FKK concept. The quality in other areas will suffer due to what's happening in Hessen.

Brothels can be found all over the world. Why ruin FKK concept unique to Germany?

[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2739157]Oceans have rebranded itself as "Oceans / GoldenTime" now, they have the two name. That's a scam of course but I imagine that they arrive to dupe some customers.[/QUOTE]They are fully right when they own GT licence.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2739353]They are fully right when they own GT licence.[/QUOTE]Seems like a bad deal to take three licenses (Oceans, LR, and GT) and compress them down to one consolidated location which makes less money.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2739326]Well if you stay for 3 days, I assume you come from out of town and fall under the horny tourist group. The single roomers were meant to describe locals.[/QUOTE]It's been a long time since I'm not a tourist anymore in Sharks and the other people that I see pretty much every weeks are the same.

If there is an hypothetical shift that have been caused by the price hike it's not a shift in "the true FKK concept", the men that come here still fuck all the girls that they can possibly do, it's a shift in the economical status of the customers. And even that is hypothetical, I see all type of people in the club.

The only people that I see that responds to your description is the turkish that came in the clubs to party with their friends, it seems that the majority of them do only one girls (when they do one).

And concerning that "true FKK concept", the only one that I know of is that the women should be fully naked. You still have some ancient who cry about that, those who listens to them just smile and go their way, I imagine that it will be the same for the price hike in some years.

Maybe they are conserving gas to heat hot water due to the Russian gas crisis and and thus limiting themselves to one room and only one shower. Or possibly two showers (one prezimmer and one nachzimmer shower).

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2739326]Well if you stay for 3 days, I assume you come from out of town and fall under the horny tourist group. The single roomers were meant to describe locals.

Remember, I never said that the club at its current state wouldn't attract customers or a large line up. I said that it is destroying the concept of FKK sauna club.

So yes, if the girls can make more money per room, I'the imagine hot girls would definitely want to work there so long as they get enough rooms to make the difference. And that worsens and spreads the problem. Of course girls want to make more money for less work, so these Hessen clubs will continue to draw the best talent from other areas that still offer the true FKK concept. The quality in other areas will suffer due to what's happening in Hessen.

Brothels can be found all over the world. Why ruin FKK concept unique to Germany?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2739157]Oceans have rebranded itself as "Oceans / GoldenTime" now, they have the two name. That's a scam of course but I imagine that they arrive to dupe some customers.[/QUOTE]The number of people visiting FKK is limited. Unless they got it for a price of peanut, I fail to see the business case of for Ocean to acquire GoldenTime as they are very close to each other.

The main problem of an international punters to visit many German FKK because it is not easily accessible by public transport. You will either need to rent a car or pay a taxi which will reduce the attractiveness of visiting FKK. Is it not better to built a new FKK in another location which is easily accessible by public transport?. Not necessarily in the city centre, as the price of land is very expensive, but close to city centre with easily accessible by public transport will be a good choice.

Another one is to move to other cities like Berlin. Currently Artemis does not have direct FKK competitor. Artemis only competitors is Brothels, Hobby Huren, parties, Swingers Club, Night clubs, etc. This makes the FKK Artemis one of the most expensive FKK in Germany where in fact the cost of Living in Berlin is lower than other cities in Germany. FKK Artenis mskes a smart move making money from international tourists as most of international tourists do not feel to have been visiting Germany without visiting Berlin. Also it is close to city centre and is easily accessible by 24/7 public transport.

If this FKK management such as Ocean try to built a new FKK in Berlin rather than just acquiring GT, they might be more successful.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2739542]The number of people visiting FKK is limited. Unless they got it for a price of peanut, I fail to see the business case of for Ocean to acquire GoldenTime as they are very close to each other.

The main problem of an international punters to visit many German FKK because it is not easily accessible by public transport. You will either need to rent a car or pay a taxi which will reduce the attractiveness of visiting FKK. Is it not better to built a new FKK in another location which is easily accessible by public transport?. Not necessarily in the city centre, as the price of land is very expensive, but close to city centre with easily accessible by public transport will be a good choice.

Another one is to move to other cities like Berlin. Currently Artemis does not have direct FKK competitor. Artemis only competitors is Brothels, Hobby Huren, parties, Swingers Club, Night clubs, etc. This makes the FKK Artemis one of the most expensive FKK in Germany where in fact the cost of Living in Berlin is lower than other cities in Germany. FKK Artenis mskes a smart move making money from international tourists as most of international tourists do not feel to have been visiting Germany without visiting Berlin. Also it is close to city centre and is easily accessible by 24/7 public transport.

If this FKK management such as Ocean try to built a new FKK in Berlin rather than just acquiring GT, they might be more successful.[/QUOTE]Actually Artemis pricing was changed when I was there a couple months ago. Now a bit cheaper for what most guys want — covered sex and BBBJ. Yes it's 70/ half for vanilla. But only 20 more for BBBJ — or 90/ half. I was surprised.

But of course your right. It is a monopoly which is unfortunate.

[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2739492]It's been a long time since I'm not a tourist anymore in Sharks and the other people that I see pretty much every weeks are the same.

If there is an hypothetical shift that have been caused by the price hike it's not a shift in "the true FKK concept", the men that come here still fuck all the girls that they can possibly do, it's a shift in the economical status of the customers. And even that is hypothetical, I see all type of people in the club.

The only people that I see that responds to your description is the turkish that came in the clubs to party with their friends, it seems that the majority of them do only one girls (when they do one).

And concerning that "true FKK concept", the only one that I know of is that the women should be fully naked. You still have some ancient who cry about that, those who listens to them just smile and go their way, I imagine that it will be the same for the price hike in some years.[/QUOTE]Sorry, out-of-town visitor can be substituted if "tourist" seems condescending to you.

The biggest shift in demographic I've see are more young ethnically middle eastern men there to party. I don't think that was an economic shift to more affluent people. Those are the clientele that far outnumber the rest as the club makes most of it's entry money at night when those guys are there.

FKK Sauna club concept is not the same as FKK. FKK means nude but FKK Sauna Club was the concept conceived at Bernd's decades ago where public sex with multiple women was the norm. That concept has gradually been diluted but the current state of Hessen clubs only nominally channels that concept.

I mean, we can reason paying more money all we want to feel better about paying more, but the fact remains, Hessen clubs are now more brothels than FKK sauna clubs. I'm not sure if you were in clubs over 10 years ago but even Hessen was different. If the current state is what you want, that's cool, but there's no denying that it's lost what it once was.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2739411]Seems like a bad deal to take three licenses (Oceans, LR, and GT) and compress them down to one consolidated location which makes less money.[/QUOTE]They own only GT, not LR license. GT is on day until 11 pm and Oceans after. Only 1 entry 60 for both clubs.

Greetings, gentlemen. I'm an experienced monger throughout Latin America. I'm very interested in trying out FKKs. I've read many of the forums. And I have maybe an odd question. As my monger experiences have evolved, I have come to enjoy the hunt. I've never been to an FKK so zero intelligence. My question: during the down times, are there interactions with the girls? Obviously, they are there to make money. And I have no intentions of paying them $70+ to sit and talk. But do the interactions ever last more than a 3-minute intro? I'm not a trophy hunter and I'm willing to sacrifice looks for a bit of chemistry. Is there a specific FKK that might fit that profile more than others?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2740086]Greetings, gentlemen. I'm an experienced monger throughout Latin America. I'm very interested in trying out FKKs. I've read many of the forums. And I have maybe an odd question. As my monger experiences have evolved, I have come to enjoy the hunt. I've never been to an FKK so zero intelligence. My question: during the down times, are there interactions with the girls? Obviously, they are there to make money. And I have no intentions of paying them $70+ to sit and talk. But do the interactions ever last more than a 3-minute intro? I'm not a trophy hunter and I'm willing to sacrifice looks for a bit of chemistry. Is there a specific FKK that might fit that profile more than others?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You are too late for Living Room.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2740086]Greetings, gentlemen. I'm an experienced monger throughout Latin America. I'm very interested in trying out FKKs. I've read many of the forums. And I have maybe an odd question. As my monger experiences have evolved, I have come to enjoy the hunt. I've never been to an FKK so zero intelligence. My question: during the down times, are there interactions with the girls? Obviously, they are there to make money. And I have no intentions of paying them $70+ to sit and talk. But do the interactions ever last more than a 3-minute intro? I'm not a trophy hunter and I'm willing to sacrifice looks for a bit of chemistry. Is there a specific FKK that might fit that profile more than others?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

In FKK there is no such kind of rip off ladies drink, like when you visit a night club. That makes it FKK a unique experience, you could spend the whole day / night watching ladies with sexy lingerie sometimes naked without being pushed to spend more money. You pay EUR40-70 (in average EUR 50 depending on FKK) for half hour for their services in the bedroom, you pay nothing chatting with them in the bar / showroom.

As a general rule (if not all) the FKK girls are not allowed to be pushy by the management. In some FKKs there is even a no approach policy. So in order for them to approach you and sitting next to you, you will need to be the first mover. You could for instance, keep an eye contact, beckon her on the right time.

But certainly there are some sharks who will try their best if they know that you are new. What you will need to do is just to talk nicely for a few minutes and try to signal that you are not interested. If it does not work just try to make an accuse such as go to the toilet, want to look for your friends, take some foods, take some drinks. There are many accuses you could think of without being rude they will see the signal if you are not interested.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2740234]In FKK there is no such kind of rip off ladies drink, like when you visit a night club. That makes it FKK a unique experience, you could spend the whole day / night watching ladies with sexy lingerie sometimes naked without being pushed to spend more money. You pay EUR40-70 (in average EUR 50 depending on FKK) for half hour for their services in the bedroom, you pay nothing chatting with them in the bar / showroom.

As a general rule (if not all) the FKK girls are not allowed to be pushy by the management. In some FKKs there is even a no approach policy. So in order for them to approach you and sitting next to you, you will need to be the first mover. You could for instance, keep an eye contact, beckon her on the right time.

But certainly there are some sharks who will try their best if they know that you are new. What you will need to do is just to talk nicely for a few minutes and try to signal that you are not interested. If it does not work just try to make an accuse such as go to the toilet, want to look for your friends, take some foods, take some drinks. There are many accuses you could think of without being rude they will see the signal if you are not interested.[/QUOTE]I m pretty sure Globe ask their girls to ask for drink, when many ask now, maybe because less entries than before, despite porn events to attract voyeurs. Some clubs close to french border are known as picolo clubs. I hate to pay for alcohol, when I much prefer cyprine tasting sticky honey.

I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?

[QUOTE=Abox79;2740291]I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?[/QUOTE]I usually wear a watch when out and about at all times just to keep track of time for my own benefit. So yes, when I go to the room I will have my watch on. Sometimes I take it off in the room, and sometimes not. But, I always have a watch with me. And I will wear a nice one too so that the girls will see me as someone with money LOL! I've received many compliments on my watches from Romanian tutes. One at World said she would fuck me for my watch. I informed her that she would have to fuck several times a week for a year in order to get any consideration for the watch haha! Then another hottie at Samya asked me if I would give her my watch after we had finished screwing. I laughed in her face LOL! Then there was the infamous "Alexandra" or "Alexandria" at Palace who decided to insult me by saying that my watch was fake when I turned her down for a session hehehe! But yes, I take a watch with me to the room because I always have one with me anyway, and it does provide a side benefit in that I can use it to track the time. I don't do that formally or make some show of doing that to send some message to the girl, but yes having it there helps in that regard.

Thank you Sirioja. So you would not advocate my visiting Oceans and GT at all? What other options I have? What about Cologne? Is it worthwhile spending a day there?

I have to depend upon public transportation and therefore cannot travel to remote areas. What about Sky Sauna? Is it worth visiting? Please advise.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2738310]Except at Babylon Elsdorf or Bernds, both around Koln, in other clubs girls are not naked because NRW is north compare to Hessen. Few prettier girls at Gold than at Sharks, even less quantity. Other places to discover in NRW.[/QUOTE]

Does it mean GT closes after 11 PM, while Oceans opens at 11 PM? Is it not worthwhile visiting these two clubs if entrance is only Euro 60? Are the girls naked in these clubs?

Appreciate feedback.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2739645]They own only GT, not LR license. GT is on day until 11 pm and Oceans after. Only 1 entry 60 for both clubs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Abox79;2740291]I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?[/QUOTE]I usually take a watch with me but it is only for me to know the exact time I was in the room with the girl. I stopped arguing with girls over time; for me it made no sense. I just moved on to the next girl as management would not assist. But at 100/30 and 200/60 to be short timed would be quite agonizing.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2740291]I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?[/QUOTE]I have watch, to try not to play whole night. When I saw my so fresh, virgin look, immaculate body, no tattoo, milky skin, Swiss, on our 2 rooms, I decided not to look at watch but just enjoy contemplating and tasting such beauty, but when I was driving on Swiss autobahns after, I was so furious I paid 510/90, but repeated exactly same, for great pleasure with such rare fresh beauty.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2740291]I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?[/QUOTE]Not to keep track of shorted time but rather to know if the girl claims that we went over time.

A girl's not going to tell you to stop mid-stroke due to time so I assume any shorted time will be after you finish. In that instance, if a girl rushes me out and doesn't want a cool down / small talk period, I'm not going to argue to stay in a room with a girl who wants to leave.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2740291]I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?[/QUOTE]Yes I have a great Casio from Walmart which beeps every time the chronograph is triggered so it alerts the provider so she knows that I know that she knows the full time will be had.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2740422]I usually take a watch with me but it is only for me to know the exact time I was in the room with the girl. I stopped arguing with girls over time; for me it made no sense. I just moved on to the next girl as management would not assist. But at 100/30 and 200/60 to be short timed would be quite agonizing.[/QUOTE]I always wear one. But it's for me to manage my orgasm not to argue w the girl. I might glance and if I'm feeling like it's coming on and I'm only 20 minutes in then I might switch up positions or otherwise delay a bit so as to not be done too soon. But when I'm done I'm done. I probably won't linger the last five minutes if I finish at 25 minutes say.

Fwiw I never take off my wedding ring either. When I’m with an escort or even a Seeking girl. I’m always transparent there. Only been a problem maybe 2% of the time and that is with Seeking newbies.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2740086]Greetings, gentlemen. I'm an experienced monger throughout Latin America. I'm very interested in trying out FKKs. I've read many of the forums. And I have maybe an odd question. As my monger experiences have evolved, I have come to enjoy the hunt. I've never been to an FKK so zero intelligence. My question: during the down times, are there interactions with the girls? Obviously, they are there to make money. And I have no intentions of paying them $70+ to sit and talk. But do the interactions ever last more than a 3-minute intro? I'm not a trophy hunter and I'm willing to sacrifice looks for a bit of chemistry. Is there a specific FKK that might fit that profile more than others?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You should prob set your expectations for significant pre-room interaction low if you have been to Scandallo in Brazil say. At an FKK I think you May get 5-10 minutes max of convo. You might extend it by saying I definitely plan to take you to the room but let's talk some first. The girls just don't want to waste time. Most will be a three minute chat and "do you want to go to the room".

So if you have been to Scandallo this is going to be disappointing. I've definitely danced and kissed for one and up to two hours before the room at Scandallo. That is def NOT happening at FKK. Don't get me wrong FKK is awesome. But plan on bro time or alone time between sessions. It's not a convivial atmosphere like Scandallo or Bomboa or The like.

But u can def find chemistry with a tier two girl. I had an AMAZING time with a girl at Sharks who had an amazing face but was thick thru the body. Well who the fuck cares cuz that girl worships dick! I got her a bit worked up with DATY but she was absolutely a demon on BJ. She would just stare in admiration at my balls and then make a sloppy mess of them. Omg. Really top notch. And DFK like u mean it. Had her wear her 9” heels and put on her fave Romanian tunes for a second meetup the next day and wowza. One of the best FKK experiences ever.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2740470]You should prob set your expectations for significant pre-room interaction low if you have been to Scandallo in Brazil say. At an FKK I think you May get 5-10 minutes max of convo. You might extend it by saying I definitely plan to take you to the room but let's talk some first. The girls just don't want to waste time. Most will be a three minute chat and "do you want to go to the room".

So if you have been to Scandallo this is going to be disappointing. I've definitely danced and kissed for one and up to two hours before the room at Scandallo. That is def NOT happening at FKK. Don't get me wrong FKK is awesome. But plan on bro time or alone time between sessions. It's not a convivial atmosphere like Scandallo or Bomboa or The like.

But u can def find chemistry with a tier two girl. I had an AMAZING time with a girl at Sharks who had an amazing face but was thick thru the body. Well who the fuck cares cuz that girl worships dick! I got her a bit worked up with DATY but she was absolutely a demon on BJ. She would just stare in admiration at my balls and then make a sloppy mess of them. Omg. Really top notch. And DFK like u mean it. Had her wear her 9 heels and put on her fave Romanian tunes for a second meetup the next day and wowza. One of the best FKK experiences ever.[/QUOTE]First question what is a "Boate" and second how much are the rates at Scandallo and the anal upcharge rate also.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2740470]You should prob set your expectations for significant pre-room interaction low if you have been to Scandallo in Brazil say. At an FKK I think you May get 5-10 minutes max of convo. You might extend it by saying I definitely plan to take you to the room but let's talk some first. The girls just don't want to waste time. Most will be a three minute chat and "do you want to go to the room".

So if you have been to Scandallo this is going to be disappointing. I've definitely danced and kissed for one and up to two hours before the room at Scandallo. That is def NOT happening at FKK. Don't get me wrong FKK is awesome. But plan on bro time or alone time between sessions. It's not a convivial atmosphere like Scandallo or Bomboa or The like.

But u can def find chemistry with a tier two girl. I had an AMAZING time with a girl at Sharks who had an amazing face but was thick thru the body. Well who the fuck cares cuz that girl worships dick! I got her a bit worked up with DATY but she was absolutely a demon on BJ. She would just stare in admiration at my balls and then make a sloppy mess of them. Omg. Really top notch. And DFK like u mean it. Had her wear her 9 heels and put on her fave Romanian tunes for a second meetup the next day and wowza. One of the best FKK experiences ever.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. That was exactly what I was inquiring about. Might rethink my plans. I might be chasing that unicorn. LOL I do not like paying 2 or 3 times the normal rate per drink for a girl. But I want the time. I totally understand time is money for them. I'll admit I'm an odd duck. But I like to sit and chill with the right girl for an hour or two and then head to the room. I've found that's my sweet spot. I'm an ugly mofo so I need to put them at ease. I know it's not a requirement and they'll bang me regardless. But I'm out for quality, not quantity.

I still might make the trip just to experience FKK. So I do really appreciate your response so I can calibrate.

Comrade P. Has stopped all future gas shipments to Germany. This will be very cold in a few months and could destroy the economy of Germany and / or at least wreck havac on the FKK scene since no showers will be available.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/06/energy-crisis-why-has-russia-cut-off-gas-supplies-to-europe.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2740525]Comrade P. Has stopped all future gas shipments to Germany. This will be very cold in a few months and could destroy the economy of Germany and / or at least wreck havac on the FKK scene since no showers will be available.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/06/energy-crisis-why-has-russia-cut-off-gas-supplies-to-europe.html[/URL][/QUOTE]FKK rely heavily on gas heating during winter. To be used for Heating in the meeting room, Bedroom, Hot Shower especially when people are naked. So it will not be good for us visitors and the owner FKK. Less peole visiting FKK will cause [problem of their existence.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2740690]FKK rely heavily on gas heating during winter. To be used for Heating in the meeting room, Bedroom, Hot Shower especially when people are naked. So it will not be good for us visitors and the owner FKK. Less peole visiting FKK will cause [problemoftheirexistence.[/QUOTE]Shower water was not hot at Sharks on last Thursday, when quite warm weather. In France, many public swimming pool are closed.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2740719]Shower water was not hot at Sharks on last Thursday, when quite warm weather. In France, many public swimming pool are closed.[/QUOTE]This calls for a litium ion battery powered heat gun in order to prevent shower shinkage due to cold temps.

Hi everyone,

Looking for the hottest lineup in Europe.

Visiting Dusseldorf and willing to travel. Don't care of it's an FKK, Sauna club, bordell, RLD, etc.

Ideally want to walk in and have a room full of beauties. Not looking for "value," looking for beauty.

Been to many; usually disappointed in the options but eventually find a gem or a women worth spending time with.

Best places I've been to in the past have been Sharks, Globe in Zurich, and the RLD in Bocum around 7:00 PM one night had some surprisingly good options.

To be fair, most places I've had to visit on a weekday.

Thanks for any direction.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2741514]Hi everyone,

Looking for the hottest lineup in Europe.

Visiting Dusseldorf and willing to travel. Don't care of it's an FKK, Sauna club, bordell, RLD, etc.

Ideally want to walk in and have a room full of beauties. Not looking for "value," looking for beauty.

Been to many; usually disappointed in the options but eventually find a gem or a women worth spending time with.

Best places I've been to in the past have been Sharks, Globe in Zurich, and the RLD in Bocum around 7:00 PM one night had some surprisingly good options.

To be fair, most places I've had to visit on a weekday.

Thanks for any direction.[/QUOTE]Visit on Friday or Saturday on best casting days. No wow casting club, but can still find few pretties.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2741514]Hi everyone,

Looking for the hottest lineup in Europe.

Visiting Dusseldorf and willing to travel. Don't care of it's an FKK, Sauna club, bordell, RLD, etc.

Ideally want to walk in and have a room full of beauties. Not looking for "value," looking for beauty.

Been to many; usually disappointed in the options but eventually find a gem or a women worth spending time with.

Best places I've been to in the past have been Sharks, Globe in Zurich, and the RLD in Bocum around 7:00 PM one night had some surprisingly good options.

To be fair, most places I've had to visit on a weekday.

Thanks for any direction.[/QUOTE]"Hottest Line Up in Europe".

Best I can advise is that you're not going to find it in Dusseldorf, Germany.

Otherwise, if looking for great optics, you could add Welcum in southern Austria to your list.

I don't think it exists near thesseldorf or I'm just too poor to have access to a place with 'a room full of beauties'. Your best bet is still sharks, oase, globe or wellcum.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2741514]Hi everyone,

Looking for the hottest lineup in Europe.

Visiting Dusseldorf and willing to travel. Don't care of it's an FKK, Sauna club, bordell, RLD, etc.

Ideally want to walk in and have a room full of beauties. Not looking for "value," looking for beauty.

Been to many; usually disappointed in the options but eventually find a gem or a women worth spending time with.

Best places I've been to in the past have been Sharks, Globe in Zurich, and the RLD in Bocum around 7:00 PM one night had some surprisingly good options.

To be fair, most places I've had to visit on a weekday.

Thanks for any direction.[/QUOTE]

Has any one visited FKK Village?

The place looks attractive and luxurious. Any recent experiences?

[QUOTE=SerpentX;2741658]I don't think it exists near thesseldorf or I'm just too poor to have access to a place with 'a room full of beauties'. Your best bet is still sharks, oase, globe or wellcum.[/QUOTE]Sharks casting is really low level, even on Friday and not worthing 100/30. Oase is worse. Most of Globe girls don't worth 150/30 with their look. Gold and Penelope if You know a bit are much better value. If you want to play porn, go to Globe. For silicon, Globe and Wellcum.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2741860] If you want to play porn, go to Globe.[/QUOTE]Does this mean that the girls at Globe will do more porn-like things than girls at other FKKs? Or that the look more porn-like?

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2741984]Does this mean that the girls at Globe will do more porn-like things than girls at other FKKs? Or that the look more porn-like?[/QUOTE]Some are for both. At Globe, You can fuck girls like pieces of meat in public to try to get less frustration about women, when You can t enjoy with normal women in real life, because You have complex about your size or You are not able with women. And girls are driven by club rules.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2740466]I always wear one. But it's for me to manage my orgasm not to argue w the girl. I might glance and if I'm feeling like it's coming on and I'm only 20 minutes in then I might switch up positions or otherwise delay a bit so as to not be done too soon. But when I'm done I'm done. I probably won't linger the last five minutes if I finish at 25 minutes say.

.[/QUOTE]This is exactly what I did. It is just for myself.

For those who takes their watches, avoid to bring an expensive watch or Jewellery to FKK. Just buy a cheap Japanese watches for less than EUR100, but keep relatively an accurate time.

Just remember, when you get in Sauna Cabin, you will need to remove all of them before entering the cabin. In many cases they have places or racks where you could put your reading glasses. But keep this does not mean it could always be under your surveillance.

I lost my expensive Swiss watch in Germany, not in FKK but in a Flat rate Partytrefft in Berlin which by coincidence also has Sauna in it, so I needed to remove it before entering sauna. That is where I learnt the hard lesson.

Ust be aware.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2741514]Hi everyone,

Looking for the hottest lineup in Europe.

Visiting Dusseldorf and willing to travel. Don't care of it's an FKK, Sauna club, bordell, RLD, etc.

Ideally want to walk in and have a room full of beauties. Not looking for "value," looking for beauty.

Been to many; usually disappointed in the options but eventually find a gem or a women worth spending time with.

Best places I've been to in the past have been Sharks, Globe in Zurich, and the RLD in Bocum around 7:00 PM one night had some surprisingly good options.

To be fair, most places I've had to visit on a weekday.

Thanks for any direction.[/QUOTE]
In General FKKs have the hot line-up of above average compared to other brothels in the world. Your definition of hot might not be the same with other people definition. FKK is to cater the needs of diverse customers, not to meet the need for a particular person. For that sensible reason you will never ever find a big brothels full of line-up that meets your criteria of hot in any Brothel around the world. Thy might be hot based on other people criteria but might not be hot based on your own criteria.

Also you said you usually disappointed in the options in many cases as you are looking the hottest based on your own criteria.

The best things to do is to seek through particular websites for courtesans, high class prostitutes. Could you name the figures you are willing to pay?

They could also be flown to your countries, delivered to your hotel bed as long as yo are willing to pay. The question here is that, how much are you willing to pay. There are a lot of agents are willing to help you.

Yes, excellent post. Although I am not sure how many of the hottest ladies need an agent.

The sex work world is full of independent escorts with their own websites and a Twitter presence who see a few customers a week at a very high price per hour, often getting references from other ladies the guy has seen for her safety. The Seeking Arrangement also allows the hottest women to choose among wealthy customers.

I don't understand how someone could think there could be a house full of the hottest women imaginable waiting around together for someone to show up and pay them a relatively low price per hour.

To the extent that happens, there are some level of inefficiencies involved. Generally, the women do not have access to entering a better system than the one I just described. In Barcelona, before it got shut down, there was a truly fantastic little place with beautiful, busty, friendly South American ladies, mostly from Venezuela. The place did not have an address above the door. I strongly suspect many were Visa Overstayers, which likely contributed to the place suddenly closing years ago.

In general, younger ladies are more attractive than older ladies, and often less demanding at first when it comes to money. So if a system like the FKKs attracts younger ladies, that is part of the battle. And the FKKs have the advantage that if enough customers exist, the lady can fuck herself to some level of prosperity though hard work every day.

But the simple fact of the matter is that younger women have better access to technology than ever before, so brothel and FKK work in the sex industry is simply less appealing than in prior years. She can probably make far more through a combination of independent escorting, Sugar Daddies, Escort agency work, and OnlyFans. Even Romanian High School girls can learn that reading on their smart phones. The FKKs still have the advantage that some level of capital is still required for a lady to enter the industry in most respects, but no capital is required to start at an FKK or a brothel.

But there is no doubt that there has been a deterioration of young talent at fixed-location, multi-lady incalls worldwide. When all a lady needs is a smartphone, an advertisement, and a little trick pad she can share with a few other girls (or access to transportation to go to the customer or Sugar Daddy), many are going to choose that route. And realistically, that doesn't require much capital.

So the guy asking about a brothel full of the world's hottest women should factor some of these things into his thinking.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2742215]In General FKKs have the hot line-up of above average compared to other brothels in the world. Your definition of hot might not be the same with other people definition. FKK is to cater the needs of diverse customers, not to meet the need for a particular person. For that sensible reason you will never ever find a big brothels full of line-up that meets your criteria of hot in any Brothel around the world. Thy might be hot based on other people criteria but might not be hot based on your own criteria.

Also you said you usually disappointed in the options in many cases as you are looking the hottest based on your own criteria.

The best things to do is to seek through particular websites for courtesans, high class prostitutes. Could you name the figures you are willing to pay?

They could also be flown to your countries, delivered to your hotel bed as long as yo are willing to pay. The question here is that, how much are you willing to pay. There are a lot of agents are willing to help you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2742244]Yes, excellent post. Although I am not sure how many of the hottest ladies need an agent.

The sex work world is full of independent escorts with their own websites and a Twitter presence who see a few customers a week at a very high price per hour, often getting references from other ladies the guy has seen for her safety. The Seeking Arrangement also allows the hottest women to choose among wealthy customers.

I don't understand how someone could think there could be a house full of the hottest women imaginable waiting around together for someone to show up and pay them a relatively low price per hour.

To the extent that happens, there are some level of inefficiencies involved. Generally, the women do not have access to entering a better system than the one I just described. In Barcelona, before it got shut down, there was a truly fantastic little place with beautiful, busty, friendly South American ladies, mostly from Venezuela. The place did not have an address above the door. I strongly suspect many were Visa Overstayers, which likely contributed to the place suddenly closing years ago.

In general, younger ladies are more attractive than older ladies, and often less demanding at first when it comes to money. So if a system like the FKKs attracts younger ladies, that is part of the battle. And the FKKs have the advantage that if enough customers exist, the lady can fuck herself to some level of prosperity though hard work every day.

But the simple fact of the matter is that younger women have better access to technology than ever before, so brothel and FKK work in the sex industry is simply less appealing than in prior years. She can probably make far more through a combination of independent escorting, Sugar Daddies, Escort agency work, and OnlyFans. Even Romanian High School girls can learn that reading on their smart phones. The FKKs still have the advantage that some level of capital is still required for a lady to enter the industry in most respects, but no capital is required to start at an FKK or a brothel.

But there is no doubt that there has been a deterioration of young talent at fixed-location, multi-lady incalls worldwide. When all a lady needs is a smartphone, an advertisement, and a little trick pad she can share with a few other girls (or access to transportation to go to the customer or Sugar Daddy), many are going to choose that route. And realistically, that doesn't require much capital.

So the guy asking about a brothel full of the world's hottest women should factor some of these things into his thinking.[/QUOTE]Great insights. Thank you. Certainly not expecting a "brothel full of the world's hottest women," but hoping for a room full of beauties. Feel like I've experienced it with Sharks in the last ten years. Same for Globe. And plenty of beauties to choose from at Goldentime in Vienna about ten years ago.

Love the FKK atmosphere, to sit back with a beer and view until I'm ready, but wouldn't rule out a gorgeous woman that's independent or from an agency. Where do women in NRW typically advertise?

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2742320]Great insights. Thank you. Certainly not expecting a "brothel full of the world's hottest women," but hoping for a room full of beauties. Feel like I've experienced it with Sharks in the last ten years. Same for Globe. And plenty of beauties to choose from at Goldentime in Vienna about ten years ago.

Love the FKK atmosphere, to sit back with a beer and view until I'm ready, but wouldn't rule out a gorgeous woman that's independent or from an agency. Where do women in NRW typically advertise?[/QUOTE]Here are some with the most recent good reviews on the American review board who do BBBJ (I try my best to not list CBJ ladies).

[URL]https://www.escoreal-highclass-escort.com/jasmin/[/URL]

[URL]https://sens-highclass-escort.com/models/laura/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.targetescorts.com/ladies/daria.htm[/URL]

As to whether it is worth the price difference, who knows. A lot of times those wanting very specific criteria gravitate towards independent escorts.

We had a similar discussion recently in the Barcelona forum.

To me, it is kind of like deciding between getting a specific dish at the Indian restaurant or getting the buffet. If you have no problem finding what you want at the buffet, that is usually the better choice, especially if it is less expensive. Either way there is a twinge of disappointment at what you didn't get, so trying different avenues does make sense. Nothing worse than ordering the fancy item off the menu at the Indian place and seeing everyone else who did the buffet get dessert items that you can't access after eating your meal.

Unless it didn't open or closed down I thought there was a new FKK not too far away from World? If it is open are there any reports, does it have its own thread?

[QUOTE=Abox79;2742556]Unless it didn't open or closed down I thought there was a new FKK not too far away from World? If it is open are there any reports, does it have its own thread?[/QUOTE]FKK Village and open.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2742540]Here are some with the most recent good reviews on the American review board who do BBBJ (I try my best to not list CBJ ladies).

[URL]https://www.escoreal-highclass-escort.com/jasmin/[/URL]

[URL]https://sens-highclass-escort.com/models/laura/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.targetescorts.com/ladies/daria.htm[/URL]

As to whether it is worth the price difference, who knows. A lot of times those wanting very specific criteria gravitate towards independent escorts.

We had a similar discussion recently in the Barcelona forum.

To me, it is kind of like deciding between getting a specific dish at the Indian restaurant or getting the buffet. If you have no problem finding what you want at the buffet, that is usually the better choice, especially if it is less expensive. Either way there is a twinge of disappointment at what you didn't get, so trying different avenues does make sense. Nothing worse than ordering the fancy item off the menu at the Indian place and seeing everyone else who did the buffet get dessert items that you can't access after eating your meal.[/QUOTE]

Many punters do not realise or never want to learn that many of the sites like this which is maintained by a professional agent are photos-shopped to death. Do not forget that with photo editing software you could turn a frog to look like a princess. The agent knows that many or most of the people using their services are international tourist, one off customer which highly unlikely to become regular customers. The aim is to get you through the doors and hope that you will seal the deal considering the time and might be an upfront deposit that you have exhausted to get there. For outcall service, the aim is to get the girls to your hotel room and job done (or almost done).

There is a huge incentive of doing that and they have very little to loose, as they might be getting half of it. It is very low cost to maintain their website sites. When they get a bad review from independent review sites, they could easily change their domain and start form the scratch again.
In other countries I found a few times, exactly the same girls listed in high class brothels, agent, listing websites are also listing themselves with ordinary listing websites where the girls pay next to none. Certainly their hourly rate are much lower than the one stated by the agents.

But I am fully aware that for some people losing EUR800/ per hour is almost nothing for them.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2744689]Many punters do not realise or never want to learn that many of the sites like this which is maintained by a professional agent are photos-shopped to death. Do not forget that with photo editing software you could turn a frog to look like a princess. The agent knows that many or most of the people using their services are international tourist, one off customer which highly unlikely to become regular customers. The aim is to get you through the doors and hope that you will seal the deal considering the time and might be an upfront deposit that you have exhausted to get there. For outcall service, the aim is to get the girls to your hotel room and job done (or almost done).

There is a huge incentive of doing that and they have very little to loose, as they might be getting half of it. It is very low cost to maintain their website sites. When they get a bad review from independent review sites, they could easily change their domain and start form the scratch again.
In other countries I found a few times, exactly the same girls listed in high class brothels, agent, listing websites are also listing themselves with ordinary listing websites where the girls pay next to none. Certainly their hourly rate are much lower than the one stated by the agents..[/QUOTE]Those links were not randomly selected, but the ladies had favorable reviews from an experienced reviewer with multiple reviews, both good and bad.

I don't entirely disagree with your points, but I was simply answering a question posed by another poster.

I actually think that in Europe, for countries where it is available, the best approach is to go with the relatively lower priced options where many ladies share a place.

The poster who was asking the questions kept asking for stunners. I think many posters who describe houses full of stunners do a disservice. If it is a room full of fuckable enough, or plenty fuckable enough, that is what most guys are looking for.

Has anyone used one in a FKK club? Is it allowed? I wouldn't think it would be a big deal but.

Magnum, Aca (+Gold) got visited last Friday by several control institutions:

[URL]https://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/43777/5323129[/URL]

[QUOTE=RareTail;2744790]Has anyone used one in a FKK club? Is it allowed? I wouldn't think it would be a big deal but.[/QUOTE]
I never heard a specific policy in FKKs which specifically not allowing people to use the cock ring. The FKK visitors could only know that a person uses cock ring when they ask the specific person. Also because people will only use cock ring once in the room. I have seen a few people using it in the partyTreffs, swingers party.

If you want to be sure, I think your best course of action is to ask the girls directly who you want to spend time with. I very much doubt they will say no if the girls understand what the cock ring is doing; when they understand that it is is not an extra ordinary things. If you read people experience here, some people are even against cock ring as they even difficult to come within half hour especially if they have come a few times before.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2745030]I never heard a specific policy in FKKs which specifically not allowing people to use the cock ring. The FKK visitors could only know that a person uses cock ring when they ask the specific person. Also because people will only use cock ring once in the room. I have seen a few people using it in the partyTreffs, swingers party.

If you want to be sure, I think your best course of action is to ask the girls directly who you want to spend time with. I very much doubt they will say no if the girls understand what the cock ring is doing; when they understand that it is is not an extra ordinary things. If you read people experience here, some people are even against cock ring as they even difficult to come within half hour especially if they have come a few times before.[/QUOTE]Some of the girls make frequent condom checks so you should probably clear it before hand since it will come up on a condom check during the session.

I thought I read somewhere they are bringing back a mask requirement, but I can't find confirmation.

Is this true? Will I not be able to see women's faces?

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2745059]I thought I read somewhere they are bringing back a mask requirement, but I can't find confirmation. Is this true? Will I not be able to see women's faces?[/QUOTE]Absolutely you will be able to. For another 50 euros hahahahaha!

Does anyone have any idea an alternative to German FKKs in Europe which could easily be reached by budget airlines.
PL (Warsaw, Krakow), NL (Amsterdam), their glorious days have all gone, CZ (Prague) have started the slippery slope since a few years ago.

What come up to mind is.

Athens. Around METAXourgeio and Filis are you could get a quick shag 20 minutes for EUR20 or EUR30. In term of The quality of the girls are better in my opinion as majority of them are Russians which are IMHO better than Romanians in FKKs. Russian girls normally have a good share, fits, tall, blond and many with blue eyes.

Barcelona, Madrid you could still get price lower than FKKs, mostly South American girls from Brazil, Columbia, etc.

Turkey?? Any opinion??

[QUOTE=Adindas;2745366]Does anyone have any idea an alternative to German FKKs in Europe which could easily be reached by budget airlines.
PL (Warsaw, Krakow), NL (Amsterdam), their glorious days have all gone, CZ (Prague) have started the slippery slope since a few years ago.

What come up to mind is.

Athens. Around METAXourgeio and Filis are you could get a quick shag 20 minutes for EUR20 or EUR30. In term of The quality of the girls are better in my opinion as majority of them are Russians which are IMHO better than Romanians in FKKs. Russian girls normally have a good share, fits, tall, blond and many with blue eyes.

Barcelona, Madrid you could still get price lower than FKKs, mostly South American girls from Brazil, Columbia, etc.

Turkey?? Any opinion??[/QUOTE]I liked Barcelona (2007) and especially liked the Czech Republic (2009). However, from my readings they seemed to have declined. I doubt there is any country in Europe now that is better than Germany for our hobby.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2745366]Does anyone have any idea an alternative to German FKKs in Europe which could easily be reached by budget airlines.
PL (Warsaw, Krakow), NL (Amsterdam), their glorious days have all gone, CZ (Prague) have started the slippery slope since a few years ago.

What come up to mind is.

Athens. Around METAXourgeio and Filis are you could get a quick shag 20 minutes for EUR20 or EUR30. In term of The quality of the girls are better in my opinion as majority of them are Russians which are IMHO better than Romanians in FKKs. Russian girls normally have a good share, fits, tall, blond and many with blue eyes.

Barcelona, Madrid you could still get price lower than FKKs, mostly South American girls from Brazil, Columbia, etc.

Turkey?? Any opinion??[/QUOTE]Vecinitas in Barcelona for South Americans and younger Spanish ladies.

[URL]https://www.vecinitasbcn.com/[/URL]

Amigasdelidia in Madrid for younger Spanish ladies and RusasVIP in Madrid for Russians and Ukranians (hopefully they aren't fighting each other in the House).

[URL]https://amigasdelidia.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://rusas-vip.com/[/URL]

You can't stay at any of these places. You fuck and leave. Of course you can go back again.

Skepti10 (I think that was his handle) has done both FKKs and Vecinitas. Hopefully he will chime in.

And I notice that VegasBoy7 just posted a good review of Placer Madrid. There is always good service there, but some of the ladies are on the older side. Not all of them, though.

What will you choose if you are one day in Eindhoven?

1. Rent a car. Whole day at Sixsens.

2. Rent a car. Whole day at Golden Gate.

3. Train. Day and night in Amsterdam.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2745444]I liked Barcelona (2007) and especially liked the Czech Republic (2009). However, from my readings they seemed to have declined. I doubt there is any country in Europe now that is better than Germany for our hobby.[/QUOTE]Except deep Russia, I confirm Germany should still be best quality, when most of new Globe girls come from Germany with more kilometers, often silicon between and are degraded for my expected quality by porn there. Freubad and Amesia can have some interesting girls. Unfortunately, 6 NL on border fell on this year. When I will finish my sporty tour, I should focus on German playfield where BBBJ is still standard. New law works as a joke.

Hi,

I am visiting Dusseldorf later this month and planning to visit Acapulco hold. But I have been also recommended FKK oceans. I cannot find FKK oceans on this forum. The website (FKK-oceans. De) has all info. But has anyone been to this FKK? Any thoughts on how good it is?

Also the website says they have a shuttle that can come and pick up. Is this standard service in most FKK around Dusseldorf?

Hi all,

I've been RTFF but still needed to ask this general question.

After about 4 years, I will be in Germany for just 4 days in mid December. I used to frequent GT and LR mainly. Also the Frankfurt are clubs like Oase and World. But I have also been to (and appreciate the quality and history of) Brends.

I gather GT and LR are now gone. Not sure if the new GT in theüsseldorf is any good? Just curious which 3 or 4 clubs those of.

You who are actually on the ground there would recommend. Within 1 hour drive of Koln. Like most people I enjoy good optif**k but I'm not a fan of overly crowded / loud clubs. I guess I'm saying I'd take a solid 7 in looks with a 9 service over a 9 in looks with 4 in service any day. Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=HealthNutz;2745578]Hi all,

I've been RTFF but still needed to ask this general question.

After about 4 years, I will be in Germany for just 4 days in mid December. I used to frequent GT and LR mainly. Also the Frankfurt are clubs like Oase and World. But I have also been to (and appreciate the quality and history of) Brends.

I gather GT and LR are now gone. Not sure if the new GT in thesseldorf is any good? Just curious which 3 or 4 clubs those of.

You who are actually on the ground there would recommend. Within 1 hour drive of Koln. Like most people I enjoy good optif**k but I'm not a fan of overly crowded / loud clubs. I guess I'm saying I'd take a solid 7 in looks with a 9 service over a 9 in looks with 4 in service any day. Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Ex Bruggen and LR should now be in Golden Gate Grefath, for 30% more expensive for girls but same older.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2745444]I liked Barcelona (2007) and especially liked the Czech Republic (2009). However, from my readings they seemed to have declined. I doubt there is any country in Europe now that is better than Germany for our hobby.[/QUOTE]
Well, they start charging EUR100 for 30m in FKKs. It used to be EUR50 before COVID-19? Is Germany still the best ?? Also in general Slavic or Moravian girls have better shapes and looks than Romanians who are dominating German FKKs and Brothels.

[QUOTE=Palomino1350;2745567]Hi,

I am visiting Dusseldorf later this month and planning to visit Acapulco hold. But I have been also recommended FKK oceans. I cannot find FKK oceans on this forum. The website (FKK-oceans. De) has all info. But has anyone been to this FKK? Any thoughts on how good it is?

Also the website says they have a shuttle that can come and pick up. Is this standard service in most FKK around Dusseldorf?[/QUOTE]Yes, I have been to Oceans. It is a large club, not to dissimilar in size to Sharks, though I can't recall Oceans having an upper floor. I had a hire-car that time so I didn't use their collection service that was also operational then. I wasn't there for long and at a quiet time due to having to get a flight back home. Like most FKK's it probably isn't as good as it was pre China leaked Covid-19.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2745763]Yes, I have been to Oceans. It is a large club, not to dissimilar in size to Sharks, though I can't recall Oceans having an upper floor. I had a hire-car that time so I didn't use their collection service that was also operational then. I wasn't there for long and at a quiet time due to having to get a flight back home. Like most FKK's it probably isn't as good as it was pre China leaked Covid-19.[/QUOTE]Many rooms upstairs with stairs close to entry. Challenging game is to find a pretty who really kiss, a bit like at Wellcum. At. Also not so easy at Gold, but 40/30.

So I did 5 days globe and here are my thoughts:

I did 3 days at globe in first week then went off to my holiday for a week and then did 2 days again at globe in different week!

First 3 days, I had my second day with no sessions at globe as line up was not good enough for me and this is first time ever in my 12 years in FKK this happened!

The line up at globe did decline over all and you do see many girls with so much plastic surgery and tattoos, much more than before the pandemic! However, beside one day, I did find 1 or 2 stunners in most days in best day I found 4 stunners, but the line up is shaky at globe now and it is not what Ingo originally planned for globe when it comes to the line up level as bottom line went down big time at globe with some stunners still being there on lucky days and on unlucky day, as I wrote, I walked away with no session from globe for the first time ever in my FKK fucking career!

The difference of the line up between different week is quite limited, I had about 10 days gap between my two different sets of visit to globe and the line up did change, but it did not change that much, I would say 40 % or even half of line up was as same as before when I first visited globe during my first sets of visits for this trip!

The service level is still very high, this is good news and you still get GFE package without negotiating and they are all romantic, dirty and sensual or whatever you want them to be in room! And yes, 30 min is 30 min and no cheating with time and they still seems to care so much about the time!

About the upsell or sharkiness or drinks, I am the type who wait hours till choose the stunner, so I watch the floor well, I did not experience or see any girls approaching the guys with drinks, BUT what I saw many many times now is girls paring up with ugly girls for threesome sessions offer, that seems to be the trend, and it is annoying as one is ugly plus I do not enjoy threesome that much! And when they are going around together, most time, it is ok you can just take one, but one time one girl say later as she want to go with her friend, but later when they seemed to fail for threesome and ugly one quit being with the stunner, I went and fucked the stunner, but I found this threesome thing that seemed common as I saw that many times annoying as I am the type who just want to fuck stunner and not the ugly!

Most girls I spoke to was former German FKK and some were as young as 19 years old (seems quite true maybe around 22 or something like that at most), but most stunners are around early 20's and I managed to find 5 that are non surgery and almost no tattoo / no tattoo stunner level girls, but if you are fly in monger, I would say go to Germany!

The girls I spoke to was former German FKK, but many claimed to be former oceans and did not like it so came to globe, so I would go for hessen FKK then do nrw FKK mixed trip if you are fly in monger, I have not been to nrw or hessen after pandemic, but many stunners that I spoke to claimed they came from those FKK in Dusseldorf region, so one might have some chance there!

Most girls in globe are Romanians, maybe over 80% and other races are ugly and all the german girls in globe this time round were old and ugly! You can forget Linda level etc there and she is no longer coming apparently according to the managers, so I think globe is not worth flying in if you are just going to FKK and I would direct your destination to German FKK to see what is up there?

Over all though, there still are young stunners as Ingo planned globe to be, but really it has too many porn style, old, ugly, tattooed, painted face make up girls in globe now that it is becoming like old Artemis on bad days LOL! But between those plastic monsters you do still find young stunner on good days, and on bad day I walked a way without session from FKK in all of my 12 years in FKK, so that how bad globe can get now!

Sad, but this is what it is and I would wonder how German FKK are like now, but considering stunners I fucked came from German FKK recently, it sound more promising there, but got to do your own negotiation there which most of us veteran mongers have no problem with!

I had good memories to add 5 young stunner level beauty to my list and most I went twice or one of them even three times, so it was good FKK trip! I just could not believe I had a day that I walked away without session though!

Go to German FKK is my opinion if you are flying in is my conclusion!

Looking for some advice on first FKK experience.

Going to be traveling to Frankfurt for the first time in two weeks. Will be there for one day, so sadly will only be able to experience one FKK.

The big ones seem to be Sharks, Oase, Palace and Mainhattan. Sharks appears to be the most popular from my research, but I've also been reading that it's more expensive compared to the others post covid with the girls charging 100/30. Is Sharks more expensive then the others or are all of them also charging that amount?

If I'm only able to visit one of these clubs (any time from 4 pm till pretty late, next flight is early morning next day), which of these clubs should I visit? Open to other recommendations too.

It'll be a weekday (Wednesday) if that makes a difference.

Thanks for any advice.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2745695]Ex Bruggen and LR should now be in Golden Gate Grefath, for 30% more expensive for girls but same older.[/QUOTE]Thanks Sirioja,

I think I plan.

Day 1 Golden Gate.

Day 2 Bernds.

Day 3 ***. Any suggestions?

Day 4 Mainhattan or Sharks.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2746405]So I did 5 days globe and here are my thoughts:

I did 3 days at globe in first week then went off to my holiday for a week and then did 2 days again at globe in different week!

First 3 days, I had my second day with no sessions at globe as line up was not good enough for me and this is first time ever in my 12 years in FKK this happened!

The line up at globe did decline over all and you do see many girls with so much plastic surgery and tattoos, much more than before the pandemic! However, beside one day, I did find 1 or 2 stunners in most days in best day I found 4 stunners, but the line up is shaky at globe now and it is not what Ingo originally planned for globe when it comes to the line up level as bottom line went down big time at globe with some stunners still being there on lucky days and on unlucky day, as I wrote, I walked away with no session from globe for the first time ever in my FKK fucking career!

The difference of the line up between different week is quite limited, I had about 10 days gap between my two different sets of visit to globe and the line up did change, but it did not change that much, I would say 40 % or even half of line up was as same as before when I first visited globe during my first sets of visits for this trip!

The service level is still very high, this is good news and you still get GFE package without negotiating and they are all romantic, dirty and sensual or whatever you want them to be in room! And yes, 30 min is 30 min and no cheating with time and they still seems to care so much about the time!

About the upsell or sharkiness or drinks, I am the type who wait hours till choose the stunner, so I watch the floor well, I did not experience or see any girls approaching the guys with drinks, BUT what I saw many many times now is girls paring up with ugly girls for threesome sessions offer, that seems to be the trend, and it is annoying as one is ugly plus I do not enjoy threesome that much! And when they are going around together, most time, it is ok you can just take one, but one time one girl say later as she want to go with her friend, but later when they seemed to fail for threesome and ugly one quit being with the stunner, I went and fucked the stunner, but I found this threesome thing that seemed common as I saw that many times annoying as I am the type who just want to fuck stunner and not the ugly!

Most girls I spoke to was former German FKK and some were as young as 19 years old (seems quite true maybe around 22 or something like that at most), but most stunners are around early 20's and I managed to find 5 that are non surgery and almost no tattoo / no tattoo stunner level girls, but if you are fly in monger, I would say go to Germany!

The girls I spoke to was former German FKK, but many claimed to be former oceans and did not like it so came to globe, so I would go for hessen FKK then do nrw FKK mixed trip if you are fly in monger, I have not been to nrw or hessen after pandemic, but many stunners that I spoke to claimed they came from those FKK in Dusseldorf region, so one might have some chance there!

Most girls in globe are Romanians, maybe over 80% and other races are ugly and all the german girls in globe this time round were old and ugly! You can forget Linda level etc there and she is no longer coming apparently according to the managers, so I think globe is not worth flying in if you are just going to FKK and I would direct your destination to German FKK to see what is up there?

Over all though, there still are young stunners as Ingo planned globe to be, but really it has too many porn style, old, ugly, tattooed, painted face make up girls in globe now that it is becoming like old Artemis on bad days LOL! But between those plastic monsters you do still find young stunner on good days, and on bad day I walked a way without session from FKK in all of my 12 years in FKK, so that how bad globe can get now!

Sad, but this is what it is and I would wonder how German FKK are like now, but considering stunners I fucked came from German FKK recently, it sound more promising there, but got to do your own negotiation there which most of us veteran mongers have no problem with!

I had good memories to add 5 young stunner level beauty to my list and most I went twice or one of them even three times, so it was good FKK trip! I just could not believe I had a day that I walked away without session though!

Go to German FKK is my opinion if you are flying in is my conclusion![/QUOTE]What I don't understand is why guys pay so much money for these porn style, old, ugly, tattooed, painted face make up girls. For these girls to be working there there must be punters going with them. I would think all the patrons would be lining up waiting to bang the 4 or 5 young hot stunners.

Sharks is the clear winner for a Wednesday. You will see the full lineup. All will charge the same 100/30 if you are newb.

[QUOTE=Ajlon;2746408]Looking for some advice on first FKK experience.

Going to be traveling to Frankfurt for the first time in two weeks. Will be there for one day, so sadly will only be able to experience one FKK.

The big ones seem to be Sharks, Oase, Palace and Mainhattan. Sharks appears to be the most popular from my research, but I've also been reading that it's more expensive compared to the others post covid with the girls charging 100/30. Is Sharks more expensive then the others or are all of them also charging that amount?

If I'm only able to visit one of these clubs (any time from 4 pm till pretty late, next flight is early morning next day), which of these clubs should I visit? Open to other recommendations too.

It'll be a weekday (Wednesday) if that makes a difference.

Thanks for any advice.[/QUOTE]

Is golden gate open?

[QUOTE=HealthNutz;2746464]Thanks Sirioja,

I think I plan.

Day 1 Golden Gate.

Day 2 Bernds.

Day 3 ***. Any suggestions?

Day 4 Mainhattan or Sharks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HealthNutz;2746464]Thanks Sirioja,

I think I plan.

Day 1 Golden Gate.

Day 2 Bernds.

Day 3 ***. Any suggestions?

Day 4 Mainhattan or Sharks.[/QUOTE]Go to Mainhattan one day and Sharks on the other, when I don t understand the logic of your choice. I would go to Sharks for quantity even I most often leave full heavy balls, Gold because one of the best value, brother Penelope, 6 NL close to Aachen seem not so bad.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2746498]What I don't understand is why guys pay so much money for these porn style, old, ugly, tattooed, painted face make up girls. For these girls to be working there there must be punters going with them. I would think all the patrons would be lining up waiting to bang the 4 or 5 young hot stunners.[/QUOTE]Guys who are fed with porn want same, even they don t have the size. On Friday night, I found a so fresh beauty, pretty face, milky skin, full natural, no tattoo nor piercing, at Freubad. So much more exciting for me than porn dolls. Freubad have some more interesting girls for 120/30 and can be less with packages, than at Globe for 150/30 . I know a French since many years at Bruggen and now at Sharks, in his 30's, one of the best look I see in brothels, but he is attracted by vulgarity, tattoes. My immaculate beauties are not attractive for him.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2746405]So I did 5 days globe and here are my thoughts:

I did 3 days at globe in first week then went off to my holiday for a week and then did 2 days again at globe in different week!

First 3 days, I had my second day with no sessions at globe as line up was not good enough for me and this is first time ever in my 12 years in FKK this happened!

The line up at globe did decline over all and you do see many girls with so much plastic surgery and tattoos, much more than before the pandemic! However, beside one day, I did find 1 or 2 stunners in most days in best day I found 4 stunners, but the line up is shaky at globe now and it is not what Ingo originally planned for globe when it comes to the line up level as bottom line went down big time at globe with some stunners still being there on lucky days and on unlucky day, as I wrote, I walked away with no session from globe for the first time ever in my FKK fucking career!

The difference of the line up between different week is quite limited, I had about 10 days gap between my two different sets of visit to globe and the line up did change, but it did not change that much, I would say 40 % or even half of line up was as same as before when I first visited globe during my first sets of visits for this trip!

The service level is still very high, this is good news and you still get GFE package without negotiating and they are all romantic, dirty and sensual or whatever you want them to be in room! And yes, 30 min is 30 min and no cheating with time and they still seems to care so much about the time!

About the upsell or sharkiness or drinks, I am the type who wait hours till choose the stunner, so I watch the floor well, I did not experience or see any girls approaching the guys with drinks, BUT what I saw many many times now is girls paring up with ugly girls for threesome sessions offer, that seems to be the trend, and it is annoying as one is ugly plus I do not enjoy threesome that much! And when they are going around together, most time, it is ok you can just take one, but one time one girl say later as she want to go with her friend, but later when they seemed to fail for threesome and ugly one quit being with the stunner, I went and fucked the stunner, but I found this threesome thing that seemed common as I saw that many times annoying as I am the type who just want to fuck stunner and not the ugly!

Most girls I spoke to was former German FKK and some were as young as 19 years old (seems quite true maybe around 22 or something like that at most), but most stunners are around early 20's and I managed to find 5 that are non surgery and almost no tattoo / no tattoo stunner level girls, but if you are fly in monger, I would say go to Germany!

The girls I spoke to was former German FKK, but many claimed to be former oceans and did not like it so came to globe, so I would go for hessen FKK then do nrw FKK mixed trip if you are fly in monger, I have not been to nrw or hessen after pandemic, but many stunners that I spoke to claimed they came from those FKK in Dusseldorf region, so one might have some chance there!

Most girls in globe are Romanians, maybe over 80% and other races are ugly and all the german girls in globe this time round were old and ugly! You can forget Linda level etc there and she is no longer coming apparently according to the managers, so I think globe is not worth flying in if you are just going to FKK and I would direct your destination to German FKK to see what is up there?

Over all though, there still are young stunners as Ingo planned globe to be, but really it has too many porn style, old, ugly, tattooed, painted face make up girls in globe now that it is becoming like old Artemis on bad days LOL! But between those plastic monsters you do still find young stunner on good days, and on bad day I walked a way without session from FKK in all of my 12 years in FKK, so that how bad globe can get now!

Sad, but this is what it is and I would wonder how German FKK are like now, but considering stunners I fucked came from German FKK recently, it sound more promising there, but got to do your own negotiation there which most of us veteran mongers have no problem with!

I had good memories to add 5 young stunner level beauty to my list and most I went twice or one of them even three times, so it was good FKK trip! I just could not believe I had a day that I walked away without session though!

Go to German FKK is my opinion if you are flying in is my conclusion![/QUOTE]The fall of Globe was so often written here and they increased rate to 150/30 . Low level management except Fritz but no power for girls quality. Most new Globe girls come from Germany, but losing freshness and many putting silicon. I would say at least 6 Germans, Hana and Gianina are natural and I would not be honest if I wrote Sofia. De is not pretty after our several rooms. 4/5 Swiss. I find some more interesting at Amesia or Freubad and few in Germany.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2746498]What I don't understand is why guys pay so much money for these porn style, old, ugly, tattooed, painted face make up girls. For these girls to be working there there must be punters going with them. I would think all the patrons would be lining up waiting to bang the 4 or 5 young hot stunners.[/QUOTE]I have seen so many times when young natural beauty stunner is ignored and some mongers taking ugly older porn style plastic monsters to the room LOL! I guess it is matter of taste, but bad taste LOL!

But it is good because of them, I can fuck young natural beauty stunners without waiting!

As the globe declined, I did find few young stunners who are natural, young which one even claimed to be 19, but I would say all of them were early 20's, and tall, fit, slim or sport body etc in globe still! But I did walk away one day without session as the line up was so bad!

I think considering there are more FKK in Germany close to one another, it is better off to goto german FKK just in case of bad day so you can move around is what I thought!

The service is still there at globe, but in German FKK we mongers are veteran enough to negotiate well so it is annoying but the same LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2746567]Go to Mainhattan one day and Sharks on the other, when I don t understand the logic of your choice. I would go to Sharks for quantity even I most often leave full heavy balls, Gold because one of the best value, brother Penelope, 6 NL close to Aachen seem not so bad.[/QUOTE]Thanks again Sirioja.

I'll hit up Golden Gate and Bernds on the first 2 days and see where that leads me. Sometimes it is best to play it by ear. I just hope things stay as they are by mid December.

My last day will be in Frankfurt which is why I'll visit either Sharks or Mainhattan.

Switzerland is too far of a drive. Freubad reminded me of a club in Bochum I loved back in the day. Freude 39. I used to go there for this amazing Polish chick. Later on I heard the club took a turn for the worse in many ways.

Other than Babylon, are there any other true FKKs in or near Dusseldorf?

Actually, I prefer a robe for myself like at Sharks, but prefer seeing all of the ladies walking and sitting around naked.

Gold best looks are the following:

Natacha on holiday, Alessia (Maya), Angelina on holiday, Natalia on holiday, Alexandra on holiday, Melissa, Fiorentina ex Bruggen on holiday.

Alessia name change to Maya is a real shit shit. She is 5"4', a brunette in ponytail, 22 years old sits by the dance pole left of the bar. She had to change names because of her bad reputation and service is limited. She does not session for more than 30 minutes, does not kiss, can't take more than 8 minutes in one position, can't take a pounding, and is very restrictive. She charges 50/30.

Daniella is also another shit. She's very untalkative, very disturbed, worked at Acapulco for 5 years. Long black hair with tattoos running down her back. She's about 5'4" and wears glasses.

Melissa is a friend of Maya. She will not go to the room for more than 30 minutes she is limited in the positions she does not kiss and she charges €50 for 30 minutes.

This Club is heavily populated with Turkish people. The ratio of men is 8 to 1 working girl. Kate is not here. Natasha is not here. Natalie is not here.

What you see at Acapulco Gold on Friday and Saturday between 2 pm to 11 pm Is what you see at Sharks during closing time between 2 am To 5 am Nothing but Fat chicks Ugly chicks, trashy looking chicks, Chicks that you don't want to touch.

I don't care how much chick charge at Sharks, just stay with Sharks for the Ultimate Paradise. Acapulco Gold is 100% subpar, substandard, and it's not worth your long journey or your expensive flight ticket or your vacation or your business time to visit.

I challenge more neutral people to visit Acapulco Gold and make the judgement. I don't believe that they will say that Gold is a better place, better Chicks, better environment than Sharks.

For those that say Acapulco gold is better they are really fucking with you.

[QUOTE=SerpentX;2746539]Is golden gate open?[/QUOTE]With Bruggen oldies and some ex LR girls but not past top girls. Entry 70 and 65/30 for lack of freshness.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2746673]Other than Babylon, are there any other true FKKs in or near Dusseldorf?

Actually, I prefer a robe for myself like at Sharks, but prefer seeing all of the ladies walking and sitting around naked.[/QUOTE]I've probably been to most of the NRW clubs, certainly all the better known ones and unless my memory is fading I didn't see many walking around naked. Not been to NRW post covid though so not sure what the situation is. No doubt 'yours truly' will come along and 'bless' you with his knowledge and 'wisdom' .

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2746598]The fall of Globe was so often written here and they increased rate to 150/30 . Low level management except Fritz but no power for girls quality. Most new Globe girls come from Germany, but losing freshness and many putting silicon. I would say at least 6 Germans, Hana and Gianina are natural and I would not be honest if I wrote Sofia. De is not pretty after our several rooms. 4/5 Swiss. I find some more interesting at Amesia or Freubad and few in Germany.[/QUOTE]Are they getting the breast implants in Switzerland or going back to Germany? I wonder what the healthcare system does as far as discounts for cosmetic surgery in Europe.

Will probably be going to Nuremberg and Dresden in December to visit the Christmas markets. I know there is not much in terms of FKKs. I'm wondering if I can perhaps add a stop somewhere with a better FKK. I will be with other people who primarily want to see the Christmas markets so it will be easier to convince them to add a stop of the city also happens to have a nice Christmas market. My visit will most likely be during the day (early afternoon) as I will be at the Christmas markets at night.

I'd just go to frankfurt then Sharks but we went there last year.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2746738]I've probably been to most of the NRW clubs, certainly all the better known ones and unless my memory is fading I didn't see many walking around naked. Not been to NRW post covid though so not sure what the situation is. No doubt 'yours truly' will come along and 'bless' you with his knowledge and 'wisdom'.[/QUOTE]So, You never been to Bab, nor SC Venus not RTC, nor Bernds which was first club in Germany. Some stars started at Bab, like Barbi or Kitty who was Romanian at Bab.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2746759]Are they getting the breast implants in Switzerland or going back to Germany? I wonder what the healthcare system does as far as discounts for cosmetic surgery in Europe.[/QUOTE]At home or Bulgaria or Turkey. Now acid rather than silicon for new technique. For teeth, usually in Romania. Elisa was so fresh natural pretty with perfect naturals at Oase on Summer 2019 for several rooms for 150/60, became silicon Maria at Globe for 150/30. German Sofia was with naturals at land of silicon Artemis, but silicon at Globe. Swiss pay double or more for less freshness and to pay silicon. Swiss who know a bit this business, drive to Germany for better value. At Freubad or Dietikon or History, more natural girls for less expensive than at Globe.

I've seen some abbreviations I don't understand.

What is ZK?

Also, if someone says they paid 2 CE, what's that?

Any update on this new FKK in Giessen? Is it worth a visit? Lineup numbers? I have 2 days to spend in Fra, and 1 of them will be in Sharks. I'm between Village and aoase dor the second.

Thanks for any info.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2746891]I've seen some abbreviations I don't understand.

What is ZK?

Also, if someone says they paid 2 CE, what's that?[/QUOTE]I think ZK is Zungen kussen Kissing with tongue.

Do not know about CE.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2746978]I think ZK is Zungen kussen Kissing with tongue.

Do not know about CE.[/QUOTE]ZK French Kiss.

CE 100.

2 CE 200.

I think given the condition of globe, it maybe better for me to use high end escort in Germany for young german stunners!

I will check out palace and oase soon or later especially palace, but German young stunners are becoming rare bleeds in FKK!

So escort of lets say around 800 euro to 1000 euro for two hours for top german young stunners may be worth it for me!

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2746988]ZK French Kiss.

CE 100.

2 CE 200.[/QUOTE]For ZK the abbreviation makes sense, as it saves time rather than writing the full words "Zungen kussen" e.g French Kissing where kissing will involve intensive tongue activities.

But for CE ? to me it does not make sense, as people could easily write it EUR, and makes little difference.

I know CE mark on the products is used by the manufacturer or importer to affirms the good's conformity with European health, safety, and environmental protection standards. But that is different and not used for money related, currency.

I wonder is there a more sensible reason to use CE rather than EUR for euro currency??

[QUOTE=Adindas;2747088]For ZK the abbreviation makes sense, as it saves time rather than writing the full words "Zungen kussen" e.g French Kissing where kissing will involve intensive tongue activities.

But for CE ? to me it does not make sense, as people could easily write it EUR, and makes little difference.

I know CE mark on the products is used by the manufacturer or importer to affirms the good's conformity with European health, safety, and environmental protection standards. But that is different and not used for money related, currency.

I wonder is there a more sensible reason to use CE rather than EUR for euro currency??[/QUOTE]On the German forums it means 50 Euro. "Clubeinheit" is a club unit and back in the day 50 Euro was the norm.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2747088]For ZK the abbreviation makes sense, as it saves time rather than writing the full words "Zungen kussen" e.g French Kissing where kissing will involve intensive tongue activities.

But for CE ? to me it does not make sense, as people could easily write it EUR, and makes little difference.

I know CE mark on the products is used by the manufacturer or importer to affirms the good's conformity with European health, safety, and environmental protection standards. But that is different and not used for money related, currency.

I wonder is there a more sensible reason to use CE rather than EUR for euro currency??[/QUOTE]CE, as in the Roman numeral for 100 and Einhundert, German for One Hundred.

Used for more than notating money.

[QUOTE=Samplerr;2747121]On the German forums it means 50 Euro. "Clubeinheit" is a club unit and back in the day 50 Euro was the norm.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm wrong.

EA,
Samplerr is spot on. 1 CE=50 euro. If you reread the German forums in this context you will find that our German colleagues have not gone completely mad. ;-)

[QUOTE=Shark16;2747250]EA,
Samplerr is spot on. 1 CE=50 euro. If you reread the German forums in this context you will find that our German colleagues have not gone completely mad.[/QUOTE]Yeah I agree. Definitely slipped my mind.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2747010]I think given the condition of globe, it maybe better for me to use high end escort in Germany for young german stunners!

I will check out palace and oase soon or later especially palace, but German young stunners are becoming rare bleeds in FKK!

So escort of lets say around 800 euro to 1000 euro for two hours for top german young stunners may be worth it for me![/QUOTE]Many German escorts are for 150/200 for 1 hour. Many in Rhur which is quite poor out of Dusseldorf. German Sofi at Sharks come from.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2747310]Many German escorts are for 150/200 for 1 hour. Many in Rhur which is quite poor out of Dusseldorf. German Sofi at Sharks come from.[/QUOTE]Is there a particular site / service that you'd recommend? As others have pointed out, I'm sure there is a lot of bait and switch. Even in Germany.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2747310]Many German escorts are for 150/200 for 1 hour. Many in Rhur which is quite poor out of Dusseldorf. German Sofi at Sharks come from.[/QUOTE]In March, 2020 I spent an hour with Greta from Latvia for Eur100. I asked her how much for her to come to my hotel room. She told me EUR500/1 HR.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2747525]In March, 2020 I spent an hour with Greta from Latvia for Eur100. I asked her how much for her to come to my hotel room. She told me EUR500/1 HR.[/QUOTE]FKK girls quoting higher outcall numbers is normal. Hotel girls average rate is 150-200 e, but that is their place of business. Club girls quote ridiculous numbers partially for the fact that they have to leave their normal place of business to go to you, sacrificing money making hours. 1 hour for an hotel girl is only 1 hour where you leave afterwards and another client comes to her. 1 hour for an FKK girl is 1 hour plus commute time, plus cost of taxi. Other reasons for club girls charging more are fear of safety while others take advantage of a Love struck Larry they met in clubs.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2747525]In March, 2020 I spent an hour with Greta from Latvia for Eur100. I asked her how much for her to come to my hotel room. She told me EUR500/1 HR.[/QUOTE]That is where you begin the negotiation to 500 euro for the whole night LOL! They always try LOL!

In Siberia a Siberian recruit shoots the recruiting instructor. He was not shown enough love growing up.

Predictions are for a one or two small nuclear strike in Ukraine. No NATO nuclear response will occur to avoid total disaster.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2747525]In March, 2020 I spent an hour with Greta from Latvia for Eur100. I asked her how much for her to come to my hotel room. She told me EUR500/1 HR.[/QUOTE]My meaning is can find many Germans escorting for less expensive than what ask not pretties at Sharks who are 95% of casting.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2747525]In March, 2020 I spent an hour with Greta from Latvia for Eur100. I asked her how much for her to come to my hotel room. She told me EUR500/1 HR.[/QUOTE]A girl at Palace quotes me 500 for for two hours. I didn't try and negotiate longer or cheaper. I decided it was fair and said I might What'sApp her next trip but ultimately I enjoy the variety over prolonged time with the same girl. And then I can go back to the hotel to a quiet room!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2746405]
I had good memories to add 5 young stunner level beauty to my list and most I went twice or one of them even three times, so it was good FKK trip![/QUOTE]Hey Mr Ho.

Do you have the names of the five stunners you went with at Globe?

It's been a while and I'm looking for some tips and incentives to make a trip back down there.

Globe was my 'go to' club once upon a time. That was until Kate retired. Since then, I've been a stranger there.

I see that there is no more Sofia. De there. I was hoping to try her out one of these days.

Thanks Howie.

Putting this in FKK chat as that's my first choice, but open to RLDs and other options.

I'm arriving in Dusseldorf on a Monday morning, and don't want to wait. Haven't been to Germany since before the pandemic!

I know Mondays are the worst days, but I'm not waiting until the weekend. If I wanted to go somewhere Monday morning / early afternoon, what's my best bet for attractive women? To me, attractive is usually younger (18-29), short, and thin, though I don't mind taller or less thin if the boobs are fantastic.

Also open to a unique experience if I'm not going to have luck with my ideal woman looks-wise. Public sex, or something else unique (not sure what).

Ones I'm considering for Monday (but open to other ideas):

Bernd's.

Babylon.

Aca Gold.

Pascha, Cologne.

Duisburg RLD.

Thanks for any advice or suggestions!

[QUOTE=Howie;2747970]Hey Mr Ho.

Do you have the names of the five stunners you went with at Globe?

It's been a while and I'm looking for some tips and incentives to make a trip back down there.

Globe was my 'go to' club once upon a time. That was until Kate retired. Since then, I've been a stranger there.

I see that there is no more Sofia. De there. I was hoping to try her out one of these days.

Thanks Howie.[/QUOTE]Full natural with no tattoo Ekaterina even not fully Russian, also full natural Daisi, can be good sex, even not GFE enough for me. Full natural Tina was true GFE on our time, same for full natural Gianina. De. Silicon Sofia. De when she was natural at Artemis, was at Globe not so long ago. Globe rules don't help for fresh true GFE, when you can get more fresh GFE when you are able to get from a girl surprising her. I love when girls start to wide full open when you take care of them. At this moment, a bit like in real life for reaction, coming to kiss you, so I stayed for 1h30 on Sunday at Swiss Dietikon with true GFE even not new in business, but second time experienced. High level but won't repeat.

[QUOTE=Howie;2747970]Hey Mr Ho.

Do you have the names of the five stunners you went with at Globe?

It's been a while and I'm looking for some tips and incentives to make a trip back down there.

Globe was my 'go to' club once upon a time. That was until Kate retired. Since then, I've been a stranger there.

I see that there is no more Sofia. De there. I was hoping to try her out one of these days.

Thanks Howie.[/QUOTE]No, buddy, I rarely collect those fake names, but they were all Romanians and I must say, now most of the club is really Romanian than ever before in any FKK LOL!

One thing is that they were all young minimum early 20's like around 23 max, some even claimed to be 19 years old and others were mostly 21 and one said 22 ! But for most of them, I do believe them!

I would go to Germany if I am you, but if you are going to globe, be prepared to be like Artemis like line up of full of porn older plastic monsters in late 20's and between them you find few younger early 20's beautiful girls! Globe is still worth going if you are in Zurich, but if you have flying in choices, I would go to Hessen, Nrw mix trip as most girls I went with told me they came from Oceans actually!

Sofia DE, I remember the name as I asked Fritz for German girls then he mentioned her name saying she skipped the work today etc, but never went with her, I read she is good though! I did not go with any German girls this trip at globe as what I saw were old and ugly, but they were good hearted German girls as they spoke to me for a while like for few minutes till I refused to go with them that they took politely LOL!

Where are all the german stunners now? Palace frankfurt or oase?

[QUOTE=Adindas;2747088]For ZK the abbreviation makes sense, as it saves time rather than writing the full words "Zungen kussen" e.g French Kissing where kissing will involve intensive tongue activities.

But for CE ? to me it does not make sense, as people could easily write it EUR, and makes little difference.

I know CE mark on the products is used by the manufacturer or importer to affirms the good's conformity with European health, safety, and environmental protection standards. But that is different and not used for money related, currency.

I wonder is there a more sensible reason to use CE rather than EUR for euro currency??[/QUOTE]Thanks for CE explanation but what about Alias Takedown Mursenary means? (Editor's note).

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2748190]Thanks for CE explanation but what about Alias Takedown Mursenary means? (Editor's note).[/QUOTE]I was wrong, 1 CE does not mean 100 Euro.

If someone can guide me to the right thread I will repost this there. But as this seems the most active perhaps posting here is most useful to most guys.

Dortmund is def not pussy central. A helpful member said saunaclub Penelope could prob deliver (20 minutes NW). I had low expectations but was pleasantly surprised. 30 entry and old school pricing of 50/ half including BBBJ.

The club is really quite nice. Clean and relatively large. I had been warned it's a bit of a Turkish sausage fest but it seems they don't take too many girls so it doesn't hurt the selection much. I went with a wingman and around 11 there were probably 15 ish girls spread about. No real stunners but plenty of pleasant looking girls wanting to suck your dick. Nice couches, kino, and an attentive bar maid. Mixed drinks are 10.

The best part about this club is the girls attitudes. There is absolutely no one coming around harassing you to go. But when you do engage, we found the girls to be pleasant and laid back. My friend took a very slim girl with dark features and reported she was excellent. I took two different girls first was a bit chubby and very Latina looking. She was a nice accommodating girl. We went to the porno for some light kissing and she stroked me up hard. It was a nice start. She charged 20 for kissing which was a bit light but def added ti the experience. No CIM allowed but after an excellent BBBJ and great fucking she finished me right up to the last second in front of the mirror. Solid experience. 70.

Second girl looked super cute in her Daisy Dukes. She was doing a lot of dancing and twerking and generally trying a lot harder than most girls to look sexy. Took her for a spin and oh my. She gives AMAZING head. And she would position herself so she's looking at me but on her side with her legs spread so I could feel her pussy. She was cautious about full deep FIV but I worked her pussy pretty good. She loves sucking cock and it shows. She got very wet and I was able to slide from her clit partially up into her pussy with my fingers and she seemed to really like it.

Superb fucking in all positions and 30 extra to CIM which I did. Great great session. 80.

All In all if you aren't out for top optics and will take a 6-7 who is sweet and performs well, then Penelope can be great for you. My wingman and I agreed we like it better than Sharks visit earlier in the week for the pricing, laid back girls, and overall vibe. Recommend.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2748300]. I had been warned it's a bit of a Turkish sausage fest ....[/QUOTE]I've heard this warning / complaint before but I don't understand it. What's the concern with lots of Turkish?

Also, place sounds great. Love the more laid back nature of the girls. Hate when they're constantly hounding. Found similar attitudes back when Living Room was around.

Anyone have other clubs in NRW they'd consider similar, with laid back, non aggressive women?

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2748314]I've heard this warning / complaint before but I don't understand it. What's the concern with lots of Turkish?

Also, place sounds great. Love the more laid back nature of the girls. Hate when they're constantly hounding. Found similar attitudes back when Living Room was around.

Anyone have other clubs in NRW they'd consider similar, with laid back, non aggressive women?[/QUOTE]All generalities but more often than not, service at clubs with heavy Turkish crowds will mean that the default service will be basic and fast. Ethnic German clientele are a little more demanding with their service.

It also usually means the ambiance will be less day spa / men's club like and more party oriented, or even completely quiet and depressing at slow hours.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2748300]If someone can guide me to the right thread I will repost this there. But as this seems the most active perhaps posting here is most useful to most guys.

Dortmund is def not pussy central. A helpful member said saunaclub Penelope could prob deliver (20 minutes NW). I had low expectations but was pleasantly surprised. 30 entry and old school pricing of 50/ half including BBBJ.

The club is really quite nice. Clean and relatively large. I had been warned it's a bit of a Turkish sausage fest but it seems they don't take too many girls so it doesn't hurt the selection much. I went with a wingman and around 11 there were probably 15 ish girls spread about. No real stunners but plenty of pleasant looking girls wanting to suck your dick. Nice couches, kino, and an attentive bar maid. Mixed drinks are 10.

The best part about this club is the girls attitudes. There is absolutely no one coming around harassing you to go. But when you do engage, we found the girls to be pleasant and laid back. My friend took a very slim girl with dark features and reported she was excellent. I took two different girls first was a bit chubby and very Latina looking. She was a nice accommodating girl. We went to the porno for some light kissing and she stroked me up hard. It was a nice start. She charged 20 for kissing which was a bit light but def added ti the experience. No CIM allowed but after an excellent BBBJ and great fucking she finished me right up to the last second in front of the mirror. Solid experience. 70.

Second girl looked super cute in her Daisy Dukes. She was doing a lot of dancing and twerking and generally trying a lot harder than most girls to look sexy. Took her for a spin and oh my. She gives AMAZING head. And she would position herself so she's looking at me but on her side with her legs spread so I could feel her pussy. She was cautious about full deep FIV but I worked her pussy pretty good. She loves sucking cock and it shows. She got very wet and I was able to slide from her clit partially up into her pussy with my fingers and she seemed to really like it.

Superb fucking in all positions and 30 extra to CIM which I did. Great great session. 80.

All In all if you aren't out for top optics and will take a 6-7 who is sweet and performs well, then Penelope can be great for you. My wingman and I agreed we like it better than Sharks visit earlier in the week for the pricing, laid back girls, and overall vibe. Recommend.[/QUOTE]Penelope thread at the bottom of FKK.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2748334]All generalities but more often than not, service at clubs with heavy Turkish crowds will mean that the default service will be basic and fast. Ethnic German clientele are a little more demanding with their service.

It also usually means the ambiance will be less day spa / men's club like and more party oriented, or even completely quiet and depressing at slow hours.[/QUOTE]Ah, thank you. Sounds like Samya. I only went once and it felt like a nightclub. Not what I was looking for. Prefer more relaxed, spa like atmosphere.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2748347]Ah, thank you. Sounds like Samya. I only went once and it felt like a nightclub. Not what I was looking for. Prefer more relaxed, spa like atmosphere.[/QUOTE]Fortunately not quite as loud and packed as Samya. More space to spread out. You could probably get some relax time in during the daytime but the facilities are more dilapidated and ambience a little boring.

Finalizing my trip and itinerary. Sounds like Penelope doesn't serve food, is that right?

Any other sauna clubs that don't serve food in NRW?

Currently interested in:

Penelope.

Babylon.

Oceans.

Palmera.

Bernds.

Acapulco Gold.

Magnum.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2749117]Finalizing my trip and itinerary. Sounds like Penelope doesn't serve food, is that right?[/QUOTE]As you can see from their websites, most of them have food - and a contact form if you need to confirm something.

[URL]https://fkk-oceans.de/service/[/URL]#eintritt.

[URL]http://saunaclub-penelope.de/preise/[/URL]

[URL]http://saunaclub-penelope.de/ambiente/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4135-Saunaclub-FKK-Penelope-(was-Great-Palace)-Castrop-Rauxel&p=2723002&viewfull=1#post2723002[/URL]

[URL]http://saunaclub-penelope.de/ambiente/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.palmera-duesseldorf.de/faq/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.saunaclub-babylon.com/gastronomie/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.fkk-schieferhof.de/speisekarte/[/URL]

[URL]http://fkkacapulco-gold.de/page/[/URL]

[URL]https://saunaclub-magnum.com/gastronomie/[/URL]

Even the famous inspector Derrick went to FKK, of course only to find the murderer of a FKK owner, in the episode 172 of 1989 :

[URL]http://derrick-database.com/episode%20172.html[/URL]

The interior scenes were filmed in Sudfass Oase in Pasing near Munich.

Video: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L31d42HGEM0[/URL].

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2749117]Finalizing my trip and itinerary. Sounds like Penelope doesn't serve food, is that right?

Any other sauna clubs that don't serve food in NRW?

Currently interested in:

Penelope.

Babylon.

Oceans.

Palmera.

Bernds.

Acapulco Gold.

Magnum.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Foods at 3 pm at Penelope. Coffee and chocolate earlier. Foods also at Gold, Bab, Magnum, Bernds, Oceans. Girls cyprine have proteins.

How's the FKK scene in these less than ideal weather conditions?

[QUOTE=AzureDrake;2749689]How's the FKK scene in these less than ideal weather conditions?[/QUOTE]Not Winter yet, no snow in FKK, but on top of Stelvio, superb.