Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2051252]Back to the OP on the subject. The poster asked which strip clubs have the wildest and hottest shows. If you're looking for a wild and hot stage show, Colombia is probably not your first choice. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Colombian strip clubs are mostly just casas where you can have a few drinks while you choose a girl.

Nothing wrong with that, but for the guy looking for a hot and wild stage show, disappointment is coming.[/QUOTE]I have seen many live sex shows, shaving cream show and lesbian acts at various centro strip clubs including sandiego.

If you get pissed off easily and hate answering questions, please stop reading now.

I am brand new on the subject of Colombia. I have been as far south as Panama. Can somebody give a quick run down on how to get initiated. I am looking for lower prices and better quality than I can get in USA. I want to be knee deep in 9's and 10's for about 7 days in a nice hotel room. I can speak some Spanish. I do not want any risk of getting abducted, beaten, or killed. My budget is around $1500 for food, hotel, and chicas.

Which city in Colombia would you recommend for a first timer? Any other advice?

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2054005]If you LIVE in that 'Home' & rent that 'Home' to someone else, your point is valid. Otherwise, you are renting a 'house' to someone else. ...[/QUOTE]Thanks for that explanation, El Mechanico. I got tired of trying to have a conversation with an imbecile. I don't understand JjBee62's reason for being on this site, other than to possibly stroke his ego. I haven't seen a post from him that offers helpful advice, but many attempts to criticize others. His "beautiful model" roommate is probably a centerfold photo from Playboy. I had a few of those roommates when I was a young guy in the military. I question whether he is even in Medellin. He pretends to know details about strip clubs, but has been proven wrong by different people on this site.

Tomorrow, I will arrive in Medellin, and will be staying in an apartment. Initially I found the apartment in airbnb, but I have been there so many times that now I deal directly with the owner. I haven't had any problem in the apartment building no matter who visits me or how long they stay.

As expected even during these early hours there are tons of extranjeros. It's July 4th weekend. Mostly hipsters with their stupid hats. Got enough numbers that I will try to stick to incalls instead of pickups.

Yesterday I saw a group of drunk young gringos in Club Gusto with one boasting that he will pay for his friends date. I guess that's where the 200 USD is coming from that the chicas name as a price. Because when your drunk and in your twenties daddies money is for coke and pussy.

I keep wanting to go to Centro but this stupid non pro Colombiana won't stop inviting me out to eat with her family and other shit. I guess I am too polite to turn down an invitation like that.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2054536]I keep wanting to go to Centro but this stupid non pro Colombiana won't stop inviting me out to eat with her family and other shit. I guess I am too polite to turn down an invitation like that.[/QUOTE]Hehe Careful YippieKayay! She's a b- and she's marking her territory and buddy you are the tree in this story! I'm kidding (just a bit) hope you have a great time.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2054536]I keep wanting to go to Centro but this stupid non pro Colombiana won't stop inviting me out to eat with her family and other shit. I guess I am too polite to turn down an invitation like that.[/QUOTE]Too polite? You must enjoy it if you're going. To me those are the more interesting experiences and opportunities to really feel part of the city. El Centro is there for you when you're ready.

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2054578]Too polite? You must enjoy it if you're going. To me those are the more interesting experiences and opportunities to really feel part of the city. El Centro is there for you when you're ready.[/QUOTE]I try to limit it to one real activity per visit or it ends up eating all my time. But you're right. These kinds of things are worth it in the end.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2054533]Thanks for that explanation, El Mechanico. I got tired of trying to have a conversation with an imbecile. I don't understand JjBee62's reason for being on this site, other than to possibly stroke his ego. I haven't seen a post from him that offers helpful advice, but many attempts to criticize others. His "beautiful model" roommate is probably a centerfold photo from Playboy. I had a few of those roommates when I was a young guy in the military. I question whether he is even in Medellin. He pretends to know details about strip clubs, but has been proven wrong by different people on this site.

Tomorrow, I will arrive in Medellin, and will be staying in an apartment. Initially I found the apartment in airbnb, but I have been there so many times that now I deal directly with the owner. I haven't had any problem in the apartment building no matter who visits me or how long they stay.[/QUOTE]Nope, I'm not in Medellin. Never been. My bedroom window does not give a view of Jumbo Las Vegas and in the distance, the Ayura Metro station, and it didn't just finish raining. This morning I wasn't at the Migracion Colombia office out on the west side. Last night I didn't take the centerfold out of an old Playboy to Centro Comercial Santa Fe, because she had a craving to eat at Montolivos. While I wasn't there, I didn't notice a new place in the food court called "Chip Time" that has, among other things, Poutine on the menu. I also didn't hit the Davivienda cajero this morning at Jumbo Las Vegas (the one on the bottom level, not the one upstairs. This afternoon I didn't leave my apartment on the Avenida Poblado side (and didn't climb the 60 steps to get up to the Avenida Poblado gate) and didn't catch the northbound yellow Envigado buseta for 2000 pesos (the white buses are 2100 pesos) for a return to Santa Fe because I had an urge for Crepes why Waffles. After the lunch I didn't have, I didn't walk home past San Remo casino, the Specialized Concept store (where I didn't buy a Specialized Rockhopper 4 weeks ago), Jenos Pizza (with the big play place) and Clinica Campestre.

Yep, you figured me out. For the past 84 days, I've just been making up everything, from arepas to a pair of size 12 Nikes purchased at Mayorca Mega Plaza (because I couldn't find Skechers in my size). Everything from my Bauker drill to my Imusa blender, my desk and chair from Tugo (conveniently located on the west side of Jumbo) and my bed from Fabricas Unidas in Itagui are all just make believe.

I didn't spend 2 nights in hotels (Hotel Porton Medellin and Poblado Plaza) because my centerfold (I guess sometime after July 2010) had her mother (probably some issue in the mid 1980's) and grandmother (mid 1960's playmate?) came with Ms. 2010's boyfriend for a 3 day weekend, even though I reviewed both hotels here. I didn't visit Energy spa, also reviewed here and haven't eaten at the several restaurants reviewed in the Medellin chit chat thread.

Are you finished questioning whether or not I'm in Medellin? I was wrong about one thing, strip clubs. My information was based upon 1 waste of time strip club experience in Medellin and the fact that there has not been a positive review of any strip club show here. I assumed, because no one had mentioned a good show, that they all matched my experience (which is why I haven't been back). I've been corrected. Two people have seen good shows.

As for why I'm here. I first came here to get information. I was considering a visit and wanted to learn what I could. Before that trip happened a different pullout Playboy centerfold offered me a job I couldn't pass up. An added incentive was to share an apartment (for a ridiculously low cost) with the other centerfold. For a piece of glossy magazine stock, she sure eats a lot.

Since my arrival, I've tried to share what I've learned. I realize that I haven't added to the 9 reviews per month for New Life and Fase II, but how many times per week do you need to see the same review? I'm not doing 24/7 mongering. I have work to do, I'm still trying to fill the empty spots in this apartment and I'm trying to get back in shape. Besides, my friends keep me entertained.

However, and this may surprise you, not everyone on this page spends all their time fucking. Some like to do some sightseeing, visit different restaurants or find different things to do instead of trying to use as many condoms per day as possible. If they ask questions I try to answer.

Yes, I'm critical of people. If they say something I feel is wrong, or if they encourage behavior I feel is bad, I say something. Which gets us to the AirBnB subject. Whether you call it a house or home, the owner has every right to disapprove of certain guests or activities. It's up to the guest to make sure anything outside the mainstream is going to be allowed.

Now, if you're coming to town, I'll happily buy you a beer and show I'm not a bad guy. But I won't bring my roommate.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2054597]
Now, if you're coming to town, I'll happily buy you a beer and show I'm not a bad guy.[/QUOTE]Yeah but being busy would you really want to meet to prove that? Doubtful.

[QUOTE][b] But I won't bring my roommate.[/b][/QUOTE]Strike three!

I love taking the Metrocable up to Parque Arvi. Take the nature trail and check out all the orchids. You can go to the other end of the line- take the San Javier line to the end, and it has a Metrocable that goes way up into the western hills and suburbs. Great ride!

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2037926]Is it worth the trip? Nice view? Any food / souvenirs vendors?

It's the A line to the K line to the L line, right?

Once you get off the regular subway do the metro cable cars feel safe crime-wise?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2054604]Yeah but being busy would you really want to meet to prove that? Doubtful.

Strike three![/QUOTE]I've got no problem meeting with anyone for lunch, dinner or a beer. I can always make time. Fortunately, my work gives me lots of flexibility, when I need it.

As for bringing my roommate. Would you bring your sister or daughter to hang out with another monger? So I'm a bad person because I don't want a good friend to hang out with someone who potentially thinks she's available for a price? If I've met someone and they've shown they can behave in a reasonable manner, maybe then. Certainly not a random stranger from ISG.

It's an open offer, no matter your opinion of it.

I won't mention the name of the business but they literally have what appear to be several hookers sit around at empty seats. They will smile and try to get your attention although local couples or groups it appears aren't targeted just dudes.

The waiter who knows me as a regular explained they are paid to entice customers to spend more on drinks. He also said that it would be over in a few months.

I wonder if they can be fucked (they honestly look like hookers) and if this is meant to copy Club Gusto. I am betting it's yes on both.

BTW, the same exact woman who wanted 600 k for short time out of Club Gusto went for 200 k when I saw her outside THE SAME NIGHT. I got her number and told her as long as she is available I will bang her once a day until she leaves because she is fine. The promise to bang her everyday was not a condition of the price.

Club Gusto has excellent service and a nice atmosphere but the pricing makes it a clip joint and it's become a place where club rejects from North America come down and wear their stupid Bling.

I took a quick swing to check out La Mayorista on my trip this past May, and couldn't quite locate the block. I walked around the centro commercial, saw lots of trucking companies and whatnot, but never did see any hotels or girls. I'm guessing I was a block shy or to one side. Could you share a little more specific directions to the block in question? Much appreciated!

[QUOTE=Number43;2034926]Hi all,

I'm typing for speed so please excuse a few spelling and grammar mistakes. I can say with no ego that I don't speak Spanish. Yes, it is harder without knowing Spanish in Medellin. But I get by with loose words string together from my limited vocab and some funny desperate arm movements / gestures with a smile. I am also of a skin complexion that can seen from a mile away. I cannot blend in or hide in a crowd and that makes things interesting. All in all, I adjusted my expectations and take things as it is. I'm a budget kind of guy. This isn't everyone's idea of a vacation. I can see why being a baller and spending lots of money can be fun. But I am not that guy. Since my outcome per girl can wildly differ, I keep track of cost per session, cost per hour, and cost per enjoyment for maximum dollar efficiency. Budgeting is how I can afford this vacation anyway, so old habits die hard. My method with chicas is a large number of on hand auditioning, which I promote the winners upward. Large pools are collected from low end casas which is my preference. (at least 4 a day) Slumming it like this isn't everyone's cup of tea. It can be an exhausting method with varying results. For me, the important thing is to find girls with the "it" factor, enjoying them at the lowest cost possible. Attitude, skill, and enthusiasm is really important in my chicas. Last time I found 5 girls with "it" factors and had a busy rotation. Sometimes I find none which can be depressing. It's my second day back in Medellin, and I am happy I found one "it" girl. So when you read this, please adjust your expectations to your own circumstance. Also I'm just a few trips in and not a pro like most of the gents who post reports, so be kind. I got a hotel in the La Mayorista area because I wanted to see what it was like. La Mayorista isn't bad. The plus side is you can get 6, 7 or even 8 level girls easily from down the street. The main action in on a single block which is a lot smaller than centro but feels manageable. Also I haven't been harassed by a beggar once which is really awesome. Less Trans in the mix too..[/QUOTE]

Here's a couple resources you might want to consider for upping your Spanish-.

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/Dictionary-Spanish-Barrons-Michael-Mahler/dp/0764106198/ref=sr_1_23?ie=UTF8&qid=1498910734&sr=8-23&keywords=spanish[/URL]+slang+book.

FWIW, Colombian, and especially Medellin Spanish is considerably different from most Spanish. The real killer is the manner they pronounce to double "l"'s- every where else they're a "why", but in Medellin it's pronounced as a "J". This is especially difficult when you consider many, if not most of the major nouns are double l's- llegar, llama, etc. You have to really train your ear to pick it up.

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/Quick-Colombian-Spanish-Vocabulary-Guides/dp/0983840555/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1498910725&sr=8-6&keywords=spanish[/URL]+slang+book.

[QUOTE=Xxnegrito;2034432]In all Latin countries we use different slang words.

Culiar is universal though it refers to the movement we make with our ass, it is pretty vulgar so you should only say it to someone you already know, colombians use pichar more often or sometimes cojer but is more often used in Mexico..[/QUOTE]

For those who have a lot of time on the ground, please enlighten me on some factors which should be considered in selecting a Colombian bank. Which bank has the most flexibility? Most ATMs? Most usable debit cards in other countries? Best customer service? Most bilingual (including English)? Most internet-friendly? Best in Medellin in particular? Etc, etc?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=PapiOso;2054787]I took a quick swing to check out La Mayorista on my trip this past May, and couldn't quite locate the block. I walked around the centro commercial, saw lots of trucking companies and whatnot, but never did see any hotels or girls. I'm guessing I was a block shy or to one side. Could you share a little more specific directions to the block in question? Much appreciated![/QUOTE]You need to go a few blocks further west past Centro Comercial Mayorista to get to the right area.

[QUOTE=PapiOso;2054787]I took a quick swing to check out La Mayorista on my trip this past May, and couldn't quite locate the block. I walked around the centro commercial, saw lots of trucking companies and whatnot, but never did see any hotels or girls. I'm guessing I was a block shy or to one side. Could you share a little more specific directions to the block in question? Much appreciated![/QUOTE]Calle 85 at Carr50 A.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;2054912]For those who have a lot of time on the ground, please enlighten me on some factors which should be considered in selecting a Colombian bank. Which bank has the most flexibility? Most ATMs? Most usable debit cards in other countries? Best customer service? Most bilingual (including English)? Most internet-friendly? Best in Medellin in particular? Etc, etc?[/QUOTE]Maybe should have asked as well what type of visa is needed to open such an account.

[QUOTE=PapiOso;2054635]I love taking the Metrocable up to Parque Arvi. Take the nature trail and check out all the orchids. You can go to the other end of the line- take the San Javier line to the end, and it has a Metrocable that goes way up into the western hills and suburbs. Great ride![/QUOTE]Oh yeah, we had a blast, took the old Ford bus out to the butterfly garden and lake and went boating with the girls.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2054949]Maybe should have asked as well what type of visa is needed to open such an account.[/QUOTE]Mr. E,

I got a TP-7 visa and the Consular Officer who approved me said that I could open a bank account once I obtain my cedula extranjero. So, I'm guessing all of the TP class visas (1 yr) are able to do so. Pero I think the cedula trumps the visa or probably indicates visa status in some way, I don't know. Any insight into the original questions?

Sorry to break the long stream of non-report commentary, but call me old fashioned in adhering to the title of this thread, Medellin REPORTS. No offense intended, and I have no problem with the commentary at all, but am I the only one who thinks it deserves to be in the chit chat thread which might make information seeking and finding a whole lot easier for everyone? I've been back in Colombia the last five weeks for work in several parts of the country. I was in and out of Medellin on four separate occasions and tried to make the most of my free time there to enjoy the always sexy Colombianas. With limited time, convenience ruled the day, and I followed tried and true routes. So there's really nothing new here, but perhaps some recommendations.

On a Sunday afternoon, with just a few free hours, options were a bit limited so I made centro casas run. I made the rounds and visited six, each with a few decent choices, but no one that grabbed me until Aiffe, Calle 57 #43-27, where I went with Nataly, a flacita morena with an Indian, as in the country India, looking face and long black hair. A little shy at first but she warmed up and it was a very good session. The 70 k for the hour might as well have been free for my budget. Extra for a very good BBBJ.

On a Friday afternoon, went to my favorite casa, Energy, Carrera 74, #49-101. The price seems to go up about 10 k each year and they're now at 140 k for the hour. Perhaps pricey for MDE but still cheap for my budget and well worth it to me for the selection, the nice neighborhood, the cleanliness, etc. About 12 girls working, but only a couple did it for me. Went with a very young looking, slim morena, Sofia. Smoking hard body with small perky tits, very cute face with a great smile, and reasonably sexy attitude. I was really into her body, and it was an excellent session. Extra for BBBJ.

Another Sunday afternoon with little free time and no time to wander around, went to chicaspuntocom in the centro. Mediocre selection. I should have bailed but was really horny and went with Juliana, a petite morena with a cute face. Unremarkable 30 minute session for I think 50 k. Though I've had some good sessions there, the sleaze of the centro is starting to lose its appeal for me. I know things change all the time, but of the six centro casas I visited, the selections were generally mediocre for my tastes.

On a Saturday afternoon went back to Energy where there was a good selection of about 13 girls. Among them, there were about 5 that I really liked. But there was one, Catalina, that I knew I would choose as soon as I saw her face and smile. The short story is that she is gorgeous, and it was pretty much as good as it gets in terms of super-hot GFE with an amazing Colombiana. Outstanding foreplay, DATY, DFK, BBBJ, etc. The only downside is that girls like Catalina just set the bar so fucking high. Same 140 k for the hour plus extra for BBBJ. Got her number.

After a week out of town, I returned to Medellin for a one evening plus one day. Went back to Energy and went with Xiomara who I had seen there before and had put on my to-do list, mostly because she had a fantastic smile, nice dark skin, and a gorgeous flowing mane of thick glossy, long, black hair. I was very much in the mood for a full figured girl and she fit the bill with beautiful large natural tits and a big round ass. She was one of those girls who had great control of her pussy muscles, and she used them to great effect with impeccable timing, knowing just when to squeeze and just when to let up. Very sweet and an excellent one hour session. Extra for an outstanding BBBJ.

Fortunately Catalina was free to come to my hotel on my last day. Hotel Medellin Royal in the Poblado is chica friendly, as well as clean, modern, quiet, great pool, good buffet breakfast, very good service, etc. She shows up a few minutes early, is drop dead gorgeous, and we have another mind-blowing session. She's smart, very sweet, can chat about a lot of things, and is fun to be with, very much in a girl next door way. And then she's a fiery dynamo in the sack, and I have to work hard to keep up. Her blowjob and titty-fucking skills are superb. She stayed for about an hour and a half, and the vitamin V really helped as we were going at it hard for just over an hour. Though work took up most o my time, it was a perfect ending to another great trip to Colombia. Unfortunatley Catalina has ruined me for a while, at least for the next three sex-free weeks before I head to Brazil for a month! All girls Spanish speaking only.

[QUOTE=PapiOso;2054787]I took a quick swing to check out La Mayorista on my trip this past May, and couldn't quite locate the block. I walked around the centro commercial, saw lots of trucking companies and whatnot, but never did see any hotels or girls. I'm guessing I was a block shy or to one side. Could you share a little more specific directions to the block in question? Much appreciated![/QUOTE]What ever happened to that guy Frank who used to peddle his place and guide / introduction services in La Mayorista?

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;2055020]What ever happened to that guy Frank who used to peddle his place and guide / introduction services in La Mayorista?[/QUOTE]If you are referring to Frank Casio, according to post #20274, he returned to Fla and died.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2055051]If you are referring to Frank Casio, according to post #20274, he returned to Fla and died.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the vector. He gave me my intro to MDE. La Mayorista, strip clubs, centro casas, and MDE overall. I sensed he was a bit "off tilt" as I like to say, but in general a fun loving and decent guy. Too bad MDE didn't work out for him.

I would assert that most of the world has a very narrow education. I was talking online to a chick in Bogota last night. I told her I was from Atlanta. Since she had never heard of it she asked what time it was there. When I gave her the time she said morning or night. Any geographically inclined person would have already known the USA is right north of Colombia so obviously it would be the same time of day. But why the hell would she know that if she has never needed to know that?

I'm just planning my first trip to MDE and also reside in ATL. Could not not see how to send a PM on here, but wondered if we might get together for a beer one day and share stories. LMK?

So quick update.

I hooked up with a great prepago from Gusto who makes me come within minutes despite having to always wear a condom. The GFE is ridiculous. It's the same one who went from 600 k to 200 k when I saw her again the same night wandering Lleras.

She is always 15 minutes early. Dressed as instructed. Sitting in the lobby waiting for sign in. No rush. I haven't had sex like this in a longtime. She is getting 300 k a visit now because she only has to leave around 10 PM to go work the club. By then I am fast asleep anyway.

The other chica I have visiting is great too but as unprofessional as they come. Always hours late. Always needs taxi money Sometimes a total no show. Great body and allows bareback. But I can't put up with her unreliability anymore. I am a reasonable man but have my limits.

All the five chicas I banged including the one out of gusto agree that 600 k for short time is stupid. It's "opportunista. " And as far as I can tell the women you see there are independent. The chicas don't pay to work the floor. Just show up.

Haven't had a need to go by Centro yet. With the exchange rate this isn't too expensive to pay 300 k to spend the day with a prepago.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2055264]With the exchange rate this isn't too expensive to pay 300 k to spend the day with a prepago.[/QUOTE]But if the exchange rate goes back to 1600 pesos to 1 USD again, are you going to tell them that you can only give them 150,000 for all day.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2055278]But if the exchange rate goes back to 1600 pesos to 1 USD again, are you going to tell them that you can only give them 150,000 for all day.[/QUOTE]I bet you will see their prices go down. I noticed these prepagos are very aware of what 100 USD is.

BTW. I totally think you can get them at even 150 k from Gusto but it will be short time with them running back to the club.

Friday night there were a dozen guys there in some group hitting Google translate hard. They looked astonished. Two left with chicas and I overheard them in the elevator talking about going to the ATM machine with the girls grinning ear to ear.

Drugs are everywhere this weekend. I saw a girl step out of the ladies room in gusto snorting quite hard.

This morning I headed over to Laureles to meet up with a monger. He's an experienced guy and a good guy to hang with. He can name himself if he wants.

After a few beers and a lot if talk he wanted to hit Cento. We flagged down a taxi and headed that way. After a quick trip and a short walk we hit one of his favorite spots. Unfortunately I wasnt checking addresses and names so don't know where we were.

Once inside we went to the waiting room where a Colombian was already waiting. 3 girls came for inspection. The Colombian and the other monger picked one, but the only remaining chica didn't impress me. I resigned myself to drinking water and waiting. After a few minutes another girl showed up. She looked better so I pulled the trigger. Rooms were very basic. Cost was 40 k for 30 minutes.

Her face was about a 7. The body looked like a 9 with clothes on and a 5. 5 when they came off. She was enthusiastic and went through all the positions with no problems. Afterwards, we walked for a few and talked for a bit. He went in search of more and I headed back to the Metro for the ride home.

The area. I didn't feel threatened in the late afternoon. Even took a few detours on the way back and it was fine. However, I wouldn't recommend getting off the main streets, especially at night.

After a brief stop home, caught the bus up to Parque Poblado and walked up to Lleras for dinner. Lots of people walking but most places were pretty empty. Saw a few chicas that may have been working. It was still early, so it probably picked up after I left.

Cops are straight up harassing hookers in Lleras. I keep seeing scantily clad women being questioned by 2-3 cops. Bummer.

This chica is certifiable.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2055609]This chica is certifiable.[/QUOTE]Great spanish, LOL just kidding 𗀄

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2055609]This chica is certifiable.[/QUOTE]From your Spanish it appears you meant this chico is certifiable!

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2055291]I bet you will see their prices go down. I noticed these prepagos are very aware of what 100 USD is.

BTW. I totally think you can get them at even 150 k from Gusto but it will be short time with them running back to the club.

Friday night there were a dozen guys there in some group hitting Google translate hard. They looked astonished. Two left with chicas and I overheard them in the elevator talking about going to the ATM machine with the girls grinning ear to ear.

Drugs are everywhere this weekend. I saw a girl step out of the ladies room in gusto snorting quite hard.[/QUOTE]I see your comment about Gusto, I spent 2 long evenings in this bar this past April and my observations of the prepagos sitting at the bar and available for conversation was that they are too fake and experienced high mileage hard core escorts, just not my type as for me there is nothing better than the girl next door type of which kind there are hundreds of thousand just in Medellin that fit the bill.

I write this as I sit here in Tijuana spending my 4th of July vacation in the bars (Hong Kong), and where you can find sexy, sweet and young Latinas all to my liking.

Have fun!

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2055786]I see your comment about Gusto, I spent 2 long evenings in this bar this past April and my observations of the prepagos sitting at the bar and available for conversation was that they are too fake and experienced high mileage hard core escorts, just not my type as for me there is nothing better than the girl next door type of which kind there are hundreds of thousand just in Medellin that fit the bill.
[/QUOTE]I agree with your characterization. Some of them were behaving so high and mighty it was a real turn off. I should have just hit up Fase Dos at night. Would have spent about the same anyway.

In any case end of next month I am going to do the coast. Far less attitude in Cartagena and nearby cities.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2055799]I agree with your characterization. Some of them were behaving so high and mighty it was a real turn off. I should have just hit up Fase Dos at night. Would have spent about the same anyway.

In any case end of next month I am going to do the coast. Far less attitude in Cartagena and nearby cities.[/QUOTE]Hey,

Now, I never get any attitude in MDE, but I stay out of Poblado, Laureles, etc.

Both the street girls and strip club girls have been sweet, even the super hot one at FaseII was sweet. But then I never call them "Hermoso". Instead of "Hermosa". LOL:.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2054976]Oh yeah, we had a blast, took the old Ford bus out to the butterfly garden and lake and went boating with the girls.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing!

Nice adventure with sexy company makes for a perfect day in Medellin. Simple.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;2054912]For those who have a lot of time on the ground, please enlighten me on some factors which should be considered in selecting a Colombian bank. Which bank has the most flexibility? Most ATMs? Most usable debit cards in other countries? Best customer service? Most bilingual (including English)? Most internet-friendly? Best in Medellin in particular? Etc, etc?

Thanks![/QUOTE]The answer to almost all your questions is Bancolombia. For foreigners, that is the most practical. The online banking is so so but the app works flawlessly. Don't waste your time with the rest of the banks.

[QUOTE=Viajero11;2055015]Sorry to break the long stream of non-report commentary, but call me old fashioned in adhering to the title of this thread, Medellin REPORTS. ,

.....
! All girls Spanish speaking only.[/QUOTE]Very good report. Thank you.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2055264]So quick update.

It's the same one who went from 600 k to 200 k when I saw her again the same night wandering Lleras. She is getting 300 k a visit now because she only has to leave around 10 PM to go work the club.
All the five chicas I banged including the one out of gusto agree that 600 k for short time is stupid. It's "opportunista. " And as far as I can tell the women you see there are independent. The chicas don't pay to work the floor. Just show up.
Haven't had a need to go by Centro yet. With the exchange rate this isn't too expensive to pay 300 k to spend the day with a prepago.[/QUOTE]Numbers get thrown around and publicized a lot. IT gets into your subconscious and it never seems to be in a way that favors my position.

So I would like to throw around a few of my own. Centro casas are avg 38 mil for a 30 minute get to know you test drive. I have met so many great girls this way. I admit it is not for everyone as there is a lot of walking and a bit of patience to find someone I would like to see outside of their workplace. But when I do, there has not been one who refuses 100 mil to meet me at my place. Sometimes I offer 80 mil + taxis. I play it by ear. Everything is negotiable. My new friends will almost always hang out for 2+ hours. I always tell them they can leave when they want. I usually cook something or invite them for a drink or lunch or whatever. Like a regular person. Most will come back when I invite them. Some will hound me, when are we getting together again. Some I never hear from again.

Centro strip clubs are open until 2 am sun-wed and often close earlier. I have NEVER had a problem taking a girl back to my place for 100 when the place closes up or inviting them for another day via whatsapp. I did this in san diego show once in the past year. But I rarely go to san diego show.

Facebook girls who I have never met seem to ask 150 - 200 plus taxi. I always counter with 100. Some laugh and I unfriend. Some accept this or negotiate to at least confirm the extra taxi money. Most end up making the date. Sometimes I go up to the 150 but at this stage of my game, I have enough girls who rock it for 100 or less in my little black book, I have to be very intrigued to promise 150. I would like to add many facebook girls do not talk about money and will still make plans to meet up in public some where. Lucky me, some aren't looking for money. Some will accept whatever I give them, and some will discuss it over the beer or coffee when we finally meet. Most accept 100. Some fight for the 150.

A visiting buddy of mine called a 18 yr old flaca from photoprepagos for 150+ taxi for an hour. She hung out with us for about 30 minutes until they went to his bedroom. He has since left and given me her contact. Having met her I told her I have a small group of amigitas and I always give them 100 if she would be ok with that to visit me. She said, what about the taxi. I said no problem. And there is no problem. I am happy to add her to the roster and she seems happy to be on the team. LOL.

A girl working in a bakery all day on her feet gets paid max 45 mil pesos a day. She has to pay her own metro passages. She has to bring or pay for her own food. Some get paid weekly some get paid every two weeks.

So when a barrio girl thinks she can ask for 150 mil+ its because its what her gaggle of friends told her to do. If you have any patience or negotiating skills, they will accept a lot less because they know it is a lot. Average barrio rent is 200-400 mil a month. And most of them do not live alone so they are sharing this already very low rent. Granted, some girls are hardened and they know that if they hold out for their number they will get it. Honestly, those are NOT the girls I want to me meeting.

ITs a numbers game. Guys get all gaga over a few sexy facebook photos that are filtered to death! Face to face always gives you the best negotiating power. Also, never forgetting this is still by far a buyers market. 200 mil is NOT the norm. I think for a spontaneous anonymous hook up, 150 mil is the norm. For a face to face strip club hook up, or for a second or third date I would expect a break on the price. I promise, if you are repeating with a girl consecutive times and giving her 150 mil+ each time, she will subconsciously feel she does not deserve it and your relationship with her will likely suffer.

Face to face on the street for a short time, I don't care if she is a street worker or just a hot chica walking down the street running errands, 50-100 mil is the norm with a curve for your ability to negotiate and convince them your are a nice guy.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2055786]I write this as I sit here in Tijuana spending my 4th of July vacation in the bars (Hong Kong), and where you can find sexy, sweet and young Latinas all to my liking.[/QUOTE]How do you get a phone signal there to write? I always lose mine when I go inside.

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2055828]Numbers get thrown around and publicized a lot. IT gets into your subconscious and it never seems to be in a way that favors my position.

So I would like to throw around a few of my own. Centro casas are avg 38 mil for a 30 minute get to know you test drive. I have met so many great girls this way. I admit it is not for everyone as there is a lot of walking and a bit of patience to find someone I would like to see outside of their workplace. But when I do, there has not been one who refuses 100 mil to meet me at my place. Sometimes I offer 80 mil + taxis. I play it by ear. Everything is negotiable. My new friends will almost always hang out for 2+ hours. I always tell them they can leave when they want. I usually cook something or invite them for a drink or lunch or whatever. Like a regular person. Most will come back when I invite them. Some will hound me, when are we getting together again. Some I never hear from again.

Centro strip clubs are open until 2 am sun-wed and often close earlier. I have NEVER had a problem taking a girl back to my place for 100 when the place closes up or inviting them for another day via whatsapp. I did this in san diego show once in the past year. But I rarely go to san diego show.

Facebook girls who I have never met seem to ask 150 - 200 plus taxi. I always counter with 100. Some laugh and I unfriend. Some accept this or negotiate to at least confirm the extra taxi money. Most end up making the date. Sometimes I go up to the 150 but at this stage of my game, I have enough girls who rock it for 100 or less in my little black book, I have to be very intrigued to promise 150. I would like to add many facebook girls do not talk about money and will still make plans to meet up in public some where. Lucky me, some aren't looking for money. Some will accept whatever I give them, and some will discuss it over the beer or coffee when we finally meet. Most accept 100. Some fight for the 150.

A visiting buddy of mine called a 18 yr old flaca from photoprepagos for 150+ taxi for an hour. She hung out with us for about 30 minutes until they went to his bedroom. He has since left and given me her contact. Having met her I told her I have a small group of amigitas and I always give them 100 if she would be ok with that to visit me. She said, what about the taxi. I said no problem. And there is no problem. I am happy to add her to the roster and she seems happy to be on the team. LOL.

A girl working in a bakery all day on her feet gets paid max 45 mil pesos a day. She has to pay her own metro passages. She has to bring or pay for her own food. Some get paid weekly some get paid every two weeks.

So when a barrio girl thinks she can ask for 150 mil+ its because its what her gaggle of friends told her to do. If you have any patience or negotiating skills, they will accept a lot less because they know it is a lot. Average barrio rent is 200-400 mil a month. And most of them do not live alone so they are sharing this already very low rent. Granted, some girls are hardened and they know that if they hold out for their number they will get it. Honestly, those are NOT the girls I want to me meeting.

ITs a numbers game. Guys get all gaga over a few sexy facebook photos that are filtered to death! Face to face always gives you the best negotiating power. Also, never forgetting this is still by far a buyers market. 200 mil is NOT the norm. I think for a spontaneous anonymous hook up, 150 mil is the norm. For a face to face strip club hook up, or for a second or third date I would expect a break on the price. I promise, if you are repeating with a girl consecutive times and giving her 150 mil+ each time, she will subconsciously feel she does not deserve it and your relationship with her will likely suffer.

Face to face on the street for a short time, I don't care if she is a street worker or just a hot chica walking down the street running errands, 50-100 mil is the norm with a curve for your ability to negotiate and convince them your are a nice guy.[/QUOTE]Good information! I admit I have zero casa experience. IYO, do these girls look as attractive on average as say a Fase Dos girl?

[QUOTE=Lou32;2055919]Good information! I admit I have zero casa experience. IYO, do these girls look as attractive on average as say a Fase Dos girl?[/QUOTE]No!

Although I do not like to encourage too much window shopping, it does take more patience visiting various casas to find someone you like. At fase dos I am sure you can find someone you will think is "hot" a lot easier. However, in my experience, while a Fase 2 girl can be a lot of fun, it will be more difficult to get a sincere experience and a real connection. A casa girl will usually be more down to earth.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2055919]Good information! I admit I have zero casa experience. IYO, do these girls look as attractive on average as say a Fase Dos girl?[/QUOTE]Not all Fase Dos girls are hot. In the casas, there are many good looking ones and many not so good looking ones. Each casa usually have a couple of hotties.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2056017]Not all Fase Dos girls are hot. In the casas, there are many good looking ones and many not so good looking ones. Each casa usually have a couple of hotties.[/QUOTE]For most, the goal isn't to find the average girl in a place. If you're happy with a 5-7, shop the streetwalkers. If you're looking for a 6-8, hit the casas. If you want a 7-10 hit the high end spots, Fase II, Energy, Facebook, SA or the escort services. Why pay the price for a 9 or 10, when you're happy with a 5? Why waste your time looking for a 10 on the street?

The downside is that a 9 or 10 might give a crappy performance and a 5 or 6 might give a great one.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2056070]For most, the goal isn't to find the average girl in a place. If you're happy with a 5-7, shop the streetwalkers. If you're looking for a 6-8, hit the casas. If you want a 7-10 hit the high end spots, Fase II, Energy, Facebook, SA or the escort services. Why pay the price for a 9 or 10, when you're happy with a 5? Why waste your time looking for a 10 on the street?

The downside is that a 9 or 10 might give a crappy performance and a 5 or 6 might give a great one.[/QUOTE]Let the chuuch say Amen!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2056070]For most, the goal isn't to find the average girl in a place. If you're happy with a 5-7, shop the streetwalkers. If you're looking for a 6-8, hit the casas. If you want a 7-10 hit the high end spots, Fase II, Energy, Facebook, SA or the escort services. Why pay the price for a 9 or 10, when you're happy with a 5? Why waste your time looking for a 10 on the street?

The downside is that a 9 or 10 might give a crappy performance and a 5 or 6 might give a great one.[/QUOTE]To me there is nothing special about a Fase 2 chick. Surgery, a bunch of makeup, and club lighting is not what makes a 10 IMHO. The only reason I ever went there in the first place is because I decided to try it while the peso was in the shitter. When it was 1600 to 1 I would have never walked into the place, but at half price I didn't mind giving it a try.

And like you alluded to, the Fase 2 girl that I spent what 190k (don't remember the prices) on did not hold a candle performance-wise... hell looks wise either... to a 60K DeGreiff chick that I found. What I understand though is that ambiance costs money, although the product may not be superior.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2054504]If you get pissed off easily and hate answering questions, please stop reading now.

I am brand new on the subject of Colombia. I have been as far south as Panama. Can somebody give a quick run down on how to get initiated. I am looking for lower prices and better quality than I can get in USA. I want to be knee deep in 9's and 10's for about 7 days in a nice hotel room. I can speak some Spanish. I do not want any risk of getting abducted, beaten, or killed. My budget is around $1500 for food, hotel, and chicas.

Which city in Colombia would you recommend for a first timer? Any other advice?[/QUOTE]Well, since nobody has responded to your post, it looks like everyone stopped reading except me. But since you've contributed some trip reports to ISG, I'll give you my thoughts and hopefully they'll help.

How does someone like yourself get initiated on the subject of mongering in Colombia? Simple: research. Take a look at my trip reports. Long before my flights landed in Colombia and Sint Maarten and Hungary and Russia and El Salvador and Mexico, I spent a few hours reading posts on ISG. When a casa or website was referenced in a post, I used Google and Google Chrome to search and learn more about the casas and websites discussed. And I have quickly learned that just a few hours of research makes the difference between mongering success and failure in a foreign country.

In Colombia, I have personally been to San Andres Island, Cartagena, Cali, Bogota, and Medellin, and have mongered in three out of five of those locations, most before I even knew ISG existed (which is why I don't have trip reports for some of those locations). Mongering is similar and different in those locations, so reading posts here on ISG will give you the idea of how to work the system in each one.

If you're not heading to Colombia anytime soon, I suggest you pick up a copy of Lonely Planet Colombia. You don't have to read the entire book, and it will give you a great idea as to the layout of each city, as well as good hotel and restaurant choices. Cross-reference what you discover in Lonely Planet Colombia with a site like TripAdvisor, which can better explain if a hotel or restaurant is a quality place or a dump.

As far as where you should visit in Colombia for the first time, the choice is yours. If you like a tropical vacation and visiting casas at night, go to San Andres Island. If you like good weather and doing the tourism thing during the day and mongering at night, head to Medellin. If you want the same type of mongering as Medellin but sweating your balls off during the day from the heat and humidity, go to Cartagena. If you like even cooler weather with mongering at night, go to Bogota. If you like a smaller city in which to monger and doing the tourism thing isn't important, go to Cali. About the only place I would not suggest going is Barranquilla, which is an industrial city, lacks touristy things to do, and is only worth visiting when Carnival is going on down there.

Feel free to ask me any questions or offer any comments that come to mind. I'm sure others on this forum might agree or disagree with some things that I've said, but that's fine and I've offered you my two cents.

Street Walkers. Calle 85 and Carrera 51, in front of the Hotel Cielo Azul, Ayura Metro Stop, San Fernando. 30-60 Chicas. Prices: 20-30 k 30 min. Hours: Afternoon and best time after 10 pm.

[QUOTE=PapiOso;2054787]I took a quick swing to check out La Mayorista on my trip this past May, and couldn't quite locate the block. I walked around the centro commercial, saw lots of trucking companies and whatnot, but never did see any hotels or girls. I'm guessing I was a block shy or to one side. Could you share a little more specific directions to the block in question? Much appreciated![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2055828]Numbers get thrown around and publicized a lot. IT gets into your subconscious and it never seems to be in a way that favors my position.

So I would like to throw around a few of my own. Centro casas are avg 38 mil for a 30 minute get to know you test drive. I have met so many great girls this way. I admit it is not for everyone as there is a lot of walking and a bit of patience to find someone I would like to see outside of their workplace. But when I do, there has not been one who refuses 100 mil to meet me at my place. Sometimes I offer 80 mil + taxis. I play it by ear. Everything is negotiable. My new friends will almost always hang out for 2+ hours. I always tell them they can leave when they want. I usually cook something or invite them for a drink or lunch or whatever. Like a regular person. Most will come back when I invite them. Some will hound me, when are we getting together again. Some I never hear from again.

Centro strip clubs are open until 2 am sun-wed and often close earlier. I have NEVER had a problem taking a girl back to my place for 100 when the place closes up or inviting them for another day via whatsapp. I did this in san diego show once in the past year. But I rarely go to san diego show.

Facebook girls who I have never met seem to ask 150 - 200 plus taxi. I always counter with 100. Some laugh and I unfriend. Some accept this or negotiate to at least confirm the extra taxi money. Most end up making the date. Sometimes I go up to the 150 but at this stage of my game, I have enough girls who rock it for 100 or less in my little black book, I have to be very intrigued to promise 150. I would like to add many facebook girls do not talk about money and will still make plans to meet up in public some where. Lucky me, some aren't looking for money. Some will accept whatever I give them, and some will discuss it over the beer or coffee when we finally meet. Most accept 100. Some fight for the 150.

A visiting buddy of mine called a 18 yr old flaca from photoprepagos for 150+ taxi for an hour. She hung out with us for about 30 minutes until they went to his bedroom. He has since left and given me her contact. Having met her I told her I have a small group of amigitas and I always give them 100 if she would be ok with that to visit me. She said, what about the taxi. I said no problem. And there is no problem. I am happy to add her to the roster and she seems happy to be on the team. LOL.

A girl working in a bakery all day on her feet gets paid max 45 mil pesos a day. She has to pay her own metro passages. She has to bring or pay for her own food. Some get paid weekly some get paid every two weeks.

So when a barrio girl thinks she can ask for 150 mil+ its because its what her gaggle of friends told her to do. If you have any patience or negotiating skills, they will accept a lot less because they know it is a lot. Average barrio rent is 200-400 mil a month. And most of them do not live alone so they are sharing this already very low rent. Granted, some girls are hardened and they know that if they hold out for their number they will get it. Honestly, those are NOT the girls I want to me meeting.

ITs a numbers game. Guys get all gaga over a few sexy facebook photos that are filtered to death! Face to face always gives you the best negotiating power. Also, never forgetting this is still by far a buyers market. 200 mil is NOT the norm. I think for a spontaneous anonymous hook up, 150 mil is the norm. For a face to face strip club hook up, or for a second or third date I would expect a break on the price. I promise, if you are repeating with a girl consecutive times and giving her 150 mil+ each time, she will subconsciously feel she does not deserve it and your relationship with her will likely suffer.

Face to face on the street for a short time, I don't care if she is a street worker or just a hot chica walking down the street running errands, 50-100 mil is the norm with a curve for your ability to negotiate and convince them your are a nice guy.[/QUOTE]This should be required reading for those visiting Medellin! Spot on on all issues. If a girl even brings up the USD / peso exchange rate with me, I cut off further conversation / contact with her.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2056070]For most, the goal isn't to find the average girl in a place. If you're happy with a 5-7, shop the streetwalkers. If you're looking for a 6-8, hit the casas. If you want a 7-10 hit the high end spots, Fase II, Energy, Facebook, SA or the escort services. Why pay the price for a 9 or 10, when you're happy with a 5? Why waste your time looking for a 10 on the street?

The downside is that a 9 or 10 might give a crappy performance and a 5 or 6 might give a great one.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of not-that attractive chicas in both Fase II and Energy.

[QUOTE=Combo;2056213]This should be required reading for those visiting Medellin! Spot on on all issues. If a girl even brings up the USD / peso exchange rate with me, I cut off further conversation / contact with her.

There are plenty of not-that attractive chicas in both Fase II and Energy.[/QUOTE]Absolutely! There are those who say there are lots of 7's and 8's on the streets and 8's and 9's in the casas. But if you're just going after looks, the high end spots are the most fertile ground.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2056217]Absolutely! There are those who say there are lots of 7's and 8's on the streets and 8's and 9's in the casas. But if you're just going after looks, the high end spots are the most fertile ground.[/QUOTE]I don't know about the 8's and 9's in the casas being that common. However the hottest chica I've had in MDE in the last two years was indeed in a Centro casa. Not only a near 10 in looks w a natural body, but a great performer. I extended the sesiand to an hour, but stupidly didn't get her number. Of course she left the casa and seemingly disappeared from the scene.

You are certainly right that, on average, a chica in Fase II will be more atractive than one in a centro casa.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2056207]Street Walkers. Calle 85 and Carrera 51, in front of the Hotel Cielo Azul, Ayura Metro Stop, San Fernando. 30-60 Chicas. Prices: 20-30 k 30 min. Hours: Afternoon and best time after 10 pm.[/QUOTE]That's old info I believe. Prices are between 50-70 k + love motel. I didn't see 30-60 chicas in the afternoon. Maybe at night.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2056207]Street Walkers. Calle 85 and Carrera 51, in front of the Hotel Cielo Azul, Ayura Metro Stop, San Fernando. 30-60 Chicas. Prices: 20-30 k 30 min. Hours: Afternoon and best time after 10 pm.[/QUOTE]I have not been to Mayo in a long time. Are you sure about the pricing? I never heard of 20 k for 30 minutes. At least not from anyone I would do.

Many guys don't want to check out Mayo because it is out of the way and they hear it is a "street scene."

Well, true on both counts but its only like 15 mil taxi from centro. Less from Poblado. And as far as street scenes go, it's the most civilized I have experienced. A lot of dogs but usually a few hotties can be found.

Hey combo thanks for the props!

Headed back to Lleras last night for my third and final (for awhile) night of playing gringo. Play wasn't on my agenda because I had an early appointment today.

Met a visiting monger at The Beer Store before heading to another bar. The bar is a couple blocks off the park and is supposed to have a similar business model as Gusto, bring in talent for the customers to pick up. The bar is nice, new furniture, comfortable. It was also dead. There were 2 girls sitting in the corner talking to a guy who worked there and 2 very hot (by my standards) bartenders. Drink prices were about average for the area. Don't knoe prices on the girls. Would be a good place with a few more customers.

Left about 1 am and headed back to the park so my friend could grab a taxi. I prefer to walk down and grab one in front of Parque Poblado. Several good looking compañeras in the park. Stopped and chatted briefly with a few, but didn't ask a price, since I wasn't buying. 2 police on a moto went by while we were talking and just gave a smile and a nod.

My first time in Lleras that late. There are definitely some options that I'd consider on a different night. Might have to wait to find a reasonable price though.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2054504]If you get pissed off easily and hate answering questions, please stop reading now.

I am brand new on the subject of Colombia. I have been as far south as Panama. Can somebody give a quick run down on how to get initiated. I am looking for lower prices and better quality than I can get in USA. I want to be knee deep in 9's and 10's for about 7 days in a nice hotel room. I can speak some Spanish. I do not want any risk of getting abducted, beaten, or killed. My budget is around $1500 for food, hotel, and chicas.

Which city in Colombia would you recommend for a first timer? Any other advice?[/QUOTE]I would advise you to back up one level to the base Colombia forum and read Bogota FAQ posted by Routard and Medellin Lists and Cali Lists posted by WorldTravel69. These are very well put together threads of all (most of what) you need to know for those areas. There may be similar lists in that level for other cities, but I can't remember off hand. Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2056462]I have not been to Mayo in a long time. Are you sure about the pricing? I never heard of 20 k for 30 minutes. At least not from anyone I would do.

Many guys don't want to check out Mayo because it is out of the way and they hear it is a "street scene. ".

Well, true on both counts but its only like 15 mil taxi from centro. Less from Poblado. And as far as street scenes go, it's the most civilized I have experienced. A lot of dogs but usually a few hotties can be found.

Hey combo thanks for the props![/QUOTE]His pricing sounds about right, I was getting quoted 40-50 k for an hour and someone with better Spanish could probably get a better deal. There was good good selection Monday, that was also a holiday so that probably helped.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2056547]

Met a visiting monger at The Beer Store before heading to another bar. The bar is a couple blocks off the park and is supposed to have a similar business model as Gusto, bring in talent for the customers to pick up. The bar is nice, new furniture, comfortable. It was also dead. There were 2 girls sitting in the corner talking to a guy who worked there and 2 very hot (by my standards) bartenders. Drink prices were about average for the area. Don't knoe prices on the girls. Would be a good place with a few more customers.
[/QUOTE]I don't believe the women there are hookers that go have sex with you. A person working there explained it's to make customers drink more. I didn't talk to the girls there but saw one guy try to pick one up for about 10 minutes and he left empty handed. There was a super hot one I wanted to get but she was coy with me. When I caught her in the back going to the bathroom she smiled and ran into the women's room. That's not typical hooker behavoir especially since it's private back there.

I dunno. One night there was a girl who was all smiles at me but she was dressed in such a sluty way I didn't want to walk back to the hotel with her so I didn't make a move.

Would be great if it became a hooker bar but given its proximity to Lleras and how it's an open patio I doubt it will get there.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2056605]I don't believe the women there are hookers that go have sex with you. A person working there explained it's to make customers drink more. I didn't talk to the girls there but saw one guy try to pick one up for about 10 minutes and he left empty handed. There was a super hot one I wanted to get but she was coy with me. When I caught her in the back going to the bathroom she smiled and ran into the women's room. That's not typical hooker behavoir especially since it's private back there.

I dunno. One night there was a girl who was all smiles at me but she was dressed in such a sluty way I didn't want to walk back to the hotel with her so I didn't make a move.

Would be great if it became a hooker bar but given its proximity to Lleras and how it's an open patio I doubt it will get there.[/QUOTE]I don't know about the Beer Store, but I have been to Gusto Quite a few times. One of the older popular YouTube videos was made by me. I did not stop in there this year, but before that there were no women going there just to work as hookers. I had brought in ladies that were hookers, but not for them to work as hookers. Sometimes there are women that don't go hanging out with guys, but I haven't seen anything shady going on in there. Not all women in bars or clubs in Medellin are hookers.

Wow. A woman "dressed so slutty I didn't want to walk back to the hotel with her". I wish you had gotten a picture.

Yeah, the "walk of shame" is not for the faint of heart .

Depending on the person. I however consider it a "walk of fame" and enjoy every step. LOL.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2056605]I don't believe the women there are hookers that go have sex with you. A person working there explained it's to make customers drink more. I didn't talk to the girls there but saw one guy try to pick one up for about 10 minutes and he left empty handed. There was a super hot one I wanted to get but she was coy with me. When I caught her in the back going to the bathroom she smiled and ran into the women's room. That's not typical hooker behavoir especially since it's private back there.

I dunno. One night there was a girl who was all smiles at me but she was dressed in such a sluty way I didn't want to walk back to the hotel with her so I didn't make a move.

Would be great if it became a hooker bar but given its proximity to Lleras and how it's an open patio I doubt it will get there.[/QUOTE]

Booked kinda last min my flight back in Feb was American Airlines TPA-MIA-MDE $471. I was stupid and parked at the airport long term, turned out that was $19 a day.

When I flew down in June I did VivaColombia for $230, MIA-MDE-luggage incl. (You can get VivaColombia as low as $180 outa Miami if you can book the right days.) Parking at the Airport Hilton was $6. 50 a day.

Copa does Orlando-MDE for $260+- (via Panama City).

My next trip is on Spirit, TPA-FLL-MDE $306-luggage included-insert BOOOOO! Here, everybody hates Spirit, personally I think they are going to be way better the Air Uzbekistan was, flying in 1970's era Aeroflot cast-off YAK-40's-their motto, "It's always scary!" Parking off property nearby long term lot $5. 75 a day.

But I was looking into flying one of my sweeties up here,(one of my girlies has a American father and can get a Visa) and looking in April I actually found American Airlines for $307 MDE-MIA-TPA.

Any other airlines to consider for low fares?

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2056605]I don't believe the women there are hookers that go have sex with you. A person working there explained it's to make customers drink more. I didn't talk to the girls there but saw one guy try to pick one up for about 10 minutes and he left empty handed. There was a super hot one I wanted to get but she was coy with me. When I caught her in the back going to the bathroom she smiled and ran into the women's room. That's not typical hooker behavoir especially since it's private back there.

I dunno. One night there was a girl who was all smiles at me but she was dressed in such a sluty way I didn't want to walk back to the hotel with her so I didn't make a move.

Would be great if it became a hooker bar but given its proximity to Lleras and how it's an open patio I doubt it will get there.[/QUOTE]Rumor I had is that the owner of Gusto brings a few in. Word direct from the owner of the other bar, he's paying cab fare to get prepagos in there. I'll give the name and location in PM.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2056649](one of my girlies has a American father and can get a Visa) [/QUOTE]If the girl has an American father she won't be able to get a visa, she is an American citizen at birth and will have to apply for a USA Passport.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2056664]If the girl has an American father she won't be able to get a visa, she is an American citizen at birth and will have to apply for a USA Passport.[/QUOTE]I was born out of the country to 2 American parents and still had to get naturalized.

Since the US does not allow dual citizenship I think she could choose to be Colombian from her mother side if she wanted and still be eligible to visit her US father?

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2056664]If the girl has an American father she won't be able to get a visa, she is an American citizen at birth and will have to apply for a USA Passport.[/QUOTE]Of course this all assumes she has proof that she is the child of an American citizen. If the father is not doing his part to claim her, it can be very difficult for the foreign-born person to prove just sanguinis (by blood) citizenship.

[QUOTE=Gagoo;2056611]I don't know about the Beer Store, but I have been to Gusto Quite a few times. One of the older popular YouTube videos was made by me. I did not stop in there this year, but before that there were no women going there just to work as hookers. I had brought in ladies that were hookers, but not for them to work as hookers. Sometimes there are women that don't go hanging out with guys, but I haven't seen anything shady going on in there. Not all women in bars or clubs in Medellin are hookers.[/QUOTE]Its pretty common to see girls with their girlfriends hanging out in lleras. There are the obvious ones and there are the "classier" ones LOL! And the classier ones are looking for "classier guys. " not all are hookers, as there are rarely absolute rules. However, I'm going out on a pretty thick short and sturdy limb here. Pretty recently they were hooking. LOL it is part of the culture. If you are in Parque Lleras and there are local girls, without dudes, drinking or acting "normal" . It is quite common, and yes, they still have their price. She may have money in her wallet so she is more relaxed and just doing her own thing but just because they don't give off any signs that they are "working" I think it is more accurate to interpret it as not being too hungry or being picky or maybe holding out for her price. Girls that are truly NOT working will hang out in their own barrio with their girlfriends rather than come to Parque lleras and pay too much for everything and be in the tourist atmosphere and also be closed to the idea of sex for money.

My personal rule of thumb, you've heard it a million times so don't try to reinvent the wheel. First impressions set the mood so treat everyone friendly and like a normal person. If you can just say something like Hello, how are you? In a polite way, you open yourself to many more possibilities.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2056686]Since the US does not allow dual citizenship [/QUOTE]Uhhhh. What? I know several people that hold US & another country's passport & are considered 'Dual Citizens'.

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2056904]Uhhhh. What? I know several people that hold US & another countries passport & are considered 'Dual Citizens'.

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]I hold US and other country's passport. I am dual citizen for other country but not for US. US does not allow or recognize dual citizenship. I am only American Citizen for US.

[QUOTE=Ozzie1451;2056929]I hold US and other country's passport. I am dual citizen for other country but not for US. US does not allow or recognize dual citizenship. I am only American Citizen for US.[/QUOTE]Is there a difference between citizenship and nationality? I know many people that have US and other country passports. If I am correct the only way to get a passport is to be a citizen. Otherwise the person would use a residence card along with a passport from another country to enter the USA.

"However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there. Most USA Nationals, including dual nationals, must use a USA Passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger USA Nationality. ".

[URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2056686]I was born out of the country to 2 American parents and still had to get naturalized. ... <snip> ... [/QUOTE]Just curious. Whatever it means to "get naturalized" I assume you did not take the test and go through the swearing in ceremony that green card holders go through when they become citizens. Right?

Thanks, Bob.

[QUOTE=Alliwantislove;2056939]Just curious. Whatever it means to "get naturalized" I assume you did not take the test and go through the swearing in ceremony that green card holders go through when they become citizens. Right?

Thanks, Bob.[/QUOTE]No, I was 6 months old. We went in front of a judge who according to my dad asked me questions. LOL. My dad answered for me.

At the time in the 1960's they were told I could hold dual citizenship till I was 18 and would then have to choose.

Don't know if law has changed or they got bad Intel.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2056686]I was born out of the country to 2 American parents and still had to get naturalized.

Since the US does not allow dual citizenship I think she could choose to be Colombian from her mother side if she wanted and still be eligible to visit her US father?[/QUOTE]She has to have a cedula and Colombian passport to re-enter Colombia if she is a Colombian citizen. I know this because on the way from Miami I was sitting next to a US / Colombian couple who told me they don't enter with their US passports.

Nice people too. The dude kept making jokes about me being a sex tourist which was uncomfortable but otherwise good conversations, hahaha.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;2056700]Of course this all assumes she has proof that she is the child of an American citizen. If the father is not doing his part to claim her, it can be very difficult for the foreign-born person to prove just sanguinis (by blood) citizenship.[/QUOTE]If she does not have cooperation from both parents or her American parent's name is not on the birth certificate then I can imagine it might be impossible. In my case my name is on my daughter's birth certificate and her mother willingly wrote the letter stating financial support etc. I also had tons of photos showing us together and receipts from WU showing the money sent for financial support and emails etc.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2056686]I was born out of the country to 2 American parents and still had to get naturalized.

Since the US does not allow dual citizenship I think she could choose to be Colombian from her mother side if she wanted and still be eligible to visit her US father?[/QUOTE]What I meant to say is that visas are difficult to get so she probably won't get one and it would be easier for her to just apply for a USA Passport because she is a USA Citizen at birth.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2056686]I was born out of the country to 2 American parents and still had to get naturalized.

Since the US does not allow dual citizenship I think she could choose to be Colombian from her mother side if she wanted and still be eligible to visit her US father?[/QUOTE]Depending on when and where you were born, there used to be (still are, actually) some very particular rules in determining derivation of citizenship. Things like, if you were born before X date in 1951, your American father must have spent X number of years present in the US after age 14, and affirmatively legitimized you as his child, whereas if the mother was the US citizen, she only needed to spend why years present in the US after age 7. I believe there is still a requirement that if a child of a US citizen is not sponsored for derived citizenship by age 18 or 21, then he or she has to take a different, more complex route to derive their US citizenship.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2056613]Wow. A woman "dressed so slutty I didn't want to walk back to the hotel with her". I wish you had gotten a picture.[/QUOTE]Yeah I am curious just how slutty she was dressed. My Conejitas girlie came to my hotel dressed like this:

Too slutty or just right?

LOL- I am in the just right boat.

The US does allow dual citizenship. Some US citizens choose to renounce their US citizenship, usually for tax reasons. Being born in the United States equals USA Citizenship. If you are not born in the USA, even if one or both or your parents are USA Citizens, does not constitute citizenship but it does facilitate getting it. Consult the USA State Department web site for clarification.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2056904]Uhhhh. What? I know several people that hold US & another countries passport & are considered 'Dual Citizens'.

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2056686]Since the US does not allow dual citizenship I think she could choose to be Colombian from her mother side if she wanted and still be eligible to visit her US father?[/QUOTE]The US neither allows nor disallows dual citizenship. You can have any other citizenship that you want, but once you pledge allegiance (go through the process of naturalization) to the US, you are considered a US citizen, and the US no longer recognizes any other citizenship.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2057074]If she does not have cooperation from both parents or her American parent's name is not on the birth certificate then I can imagine it might be impossible. In my case my name is on my daughter's birth certificate and her mother willingly wrote the letter stating financial support etc. I also had tons of photos showing us together and receipts from WU showing the money sent for financial support and emails etc.[/QUOTE]These days, it's almost a given that they will require DNA test to issue a US passport if they have any doubt.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2057109]Yeah I am curious just how slutty she was dressed. My Conejitas girlie came to my hotel dressed like this:

Too slutty or just right?

LOL- I am in the just right boat.[/QUOTE]She had a miniskirt which she pulled up over her belly button. You could see her ass cheeks as she walked around. She wore a tank top along with it. I don't think she was wearing any underwear. It was bad.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2057109]Yeah I am curious just how slutty she was dressed. My Conejitas girlie came to my hotel dressed like this:.[/QUOTE]Gosh....
I would not bring her with me to the Christmas Dinner with parents and relatives, introducing her as my old good friend just arrived in town from Colombia. :D

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2057286]Gosh....
I would not bring her with me to the Christmas Dinner with parents and relatives, introducing her as my old good friend just arrived in town from Colombia. :D[/QUOTE]There's a difference between a woman in a one piece dress or denims and a woman who is barely covering her skin and showing everyone the bottom half of her naked ass. The latter I don't feel comfortable walking with. That's one reason I go to Colombia. Hookers tend to have taste.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2057295]There's a difference between a woman in a one piece dress or denims and a woman who is barely covering her skin and showing everyone the bottom half of her naked ass. The latter I don't feel comfortable walking with. That's one reason I go to Colombia. Hookers tend to have taste.[/QUOTE]I'm not so sure it's that the hookers have taste. It's that the regular women dress like Wolf662's example all the time. I saw a couple dressed like that at the Migracion office the other day.

Too much Chit Chat in this thread again.

It is supposed to be about the chicas and places they are in.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3873-Medellin-Chit-Chat-Thread[/url]

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;2057107]Depending on when and where you were born, there used to be (still are, actually) some very particular rules in determining derivation of citizenship. Things like, if you were born before X date in 1951, your American father must have spent X number of years present in the US after age 14, and affirmatively legitimized you as his child, whereas if the mother was the US citizen, she only needed to spend why years present in the US after age 7. I believe there is still a requirement that if a child of a US citizen is not sponsored for derived citizenship by age 18 or 21, then he or she has to take a different, more complex route to derive their US citizenship.[/QUOTE]You are 100% correct.

Saw the line-up. Without missing a beat, I said Violeta. The manager said she's not available. She is sick. I asked so why is she here? Why did you present her?

I can't even write what he said as I cannot translate his response as it still does not make any sense to me.

FYI I have gone with her before and always a good time. So WTF?

Hourly rates here are now 55 mil. 38 for the half.

My best guess is she is having her period or otherwise unable to perform. The management presents her so guys don't complain to each other about too few girls. She submits to the presentation because she doesn't want to get fired. It's no more complicated than that.

The place is a little off the beaten track even if you are staying in Centro. Barcelona nearby is sometimes worth a peek.

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2057721]Saw the line-up. Without missing a beat, I said Violeta. The manager said she's not available. She is sick. I asked so why is she here? Why did you present her?

I can't even write what he said as I cannot translate his response as it still does not make any sense to me.

FYI I have gone with her before and always a good time. So WTF?

Hourly rates here are now 55 mil. 38 for the half.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BoredInIN;2056594]His pricing sounds about right, I was getting quoted 40-50 k for an hour and someone with better Spanish could probably get a better deal. There was good good selection Monday, that was also a holiday so that probably helped.[/QUOTE]I spend a lot of time down on the strip as do two of my buddies normally staying at Hotel Delicias. The price for the girls can vary from 30-50 mil for 30 minutes. I'm using 30 minutes because that is the most common request for work done in a hotel there on the strip. Prices for an hour or for taking her back to your place can wildly vary and not always in a bad way. The quoted prices usually are based on how many guys are down there, how many guys are actually doing any sex work and how many are just chatting the girls up, that particular girl's number of clients, how long she has been there and how long before she leaves, how much work she has already put in for the day or night, the time of month (both for bills and personal reasons), if she will ask for a tip or upsell once in the room, if she thinks you are going to pay the higher amount (trust me they are sizing us up as we looks at them) and last but not least if she is attracted to you. The price for a local is 20-30 for the half hour plus hotel. When you ask her how much, always ask is the hotel included in her price. Those things said, pay what you feel is a good price and know the variables.

If PapiOso is reading, you were actually in La Mayorista (centro commercial) not at what is commonly called Mayorista by people here in the forum. You were pretty much about a block away but outside of that gated complex. The locals call the strip La Raya I think. I usually tell taxi drivers la Mayorista then redirect them before they turn in the entrance or if on Guayabal Av I have them take the jug handle at Parque Las Chimeneas.

DP.

Men, cases can be great but don't expect to find that diamond without doing some legwork. I once found a diamond spinner after visiting at ten off the beaten path casas. Well worth my search.

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2055828]Numbers get thrown around and publicized a lot. IT gets into your subconscious and it never seems to be in a way that favors my position.

So I would like to throw around a few of my own. Centro casas are avg 38 mil for a 30 minute get to know you test drive. I have met so many great girls this way. I admit it is not for everyone as there is a lot of walking and a bit of patience to find someone I would like to see outside of their workplace. But when I do, there has not been one who refuses 100 mil to meet me at my place. Sometimes I offer 80 mil + taxis. I play it by ear. Everything is negotiable. My new friends will almost always hang out for 2+ hours. I always tell them they can leave when they want. I usually cook something or invite them for a drink or lunch or whatever. Like a regular person. Most will come back when I invite them. Some will hound me, when are we getting together again. Some I never hear from again.

Centro strip clubs are open until 2 am sun-wed and often close earlier. I have NEVER had a problem taking a girl back to my place for 100 when the place closes up or inviting them for another day via whatsapp. I did this in san diego show once in the past year. But I rarely go to san diego show.

Facebook girls who I have never met seem to ask 150 - 200 plus taxi. I always counter with 100. Some laugh and I unfriend. Some accept this or negotiate to at least confirm the extra taxi money. Most end up making the date. Sometimes I go up to the 150 but at this stage of my game, I have enough girls who rock it for 100 or less in my little black book, I have to be very intrigued to promise 150. I would like to add many facebook girls do not talk about money and will still make plans to meet up in public some where. Lucky me, some aren't looking for money. Some will accept whatever I give them, and some will discuss it over the beer or coffee when we finally meet. Most accept 100. Some fight for the 150..[/QUOTE]Sorry for my ignorance guys, but I just got here and have no idea what you mean by "casas". Are they working girl houses?

I'm looking for action tonight and would love some ideas of some reasonably priced places. It appears that Pley House is now a bit expensive from what I'm reading.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2057152]These days, it's almost a given that they will require DNA test to issue a US passport if they have any doubt.[/QUOTE]Why do you think that? I wasn't required to take a DNA test.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2057888]My best guess is she is having her period or otherwise unable to perform.....Barcelona nearby is sometimes worth a peek.[/QUOTE]FYI, 99% of casa girls continue working when they're on the rag. They stuff a wet-wipe or cotton or something up there and go to work. I had presumed otherwise.

Another board member whose opinion I trust told me last week that Barcelona had a decent line-up, if anyone wants to chime in with a report from there. It's been on my avoid list for a while.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2057956]Why do you think that? I wasn't required to take a DNA test.[/QUOTE]Probably because they didn't have doubts about the "proof" that you submitted.

Hahahaha these reasons and a few hundred others. When a chica you want to bang pulls some weird shit, sometimes it's difficult to resist guessing the circumstances and criteria in her surreal world.

[QUOTE=Dpilzbo;2057907]I spend a lot of time down on the strip as do two of my buddies normally staying at Hotel Delicias. The price for the girls can vary from 30-50 mil for 30 minutes. I'm using 30 minutes because that is the most common request for work done in a hotel there on the strip. Prices for an hour or for taking her back to your place can wildly vary and not always in a bad way. The quoted prices usually are based on how many guys are down there, how many guys are actually doing any sex work and how many are just chatting the girls up, that particular girl's number of clients, how long she has been there and how long before she leaves, how much work she has already put in for the day or night, the time of month (both for bills and personal reasons), if she will ask for a tip or upsell once in the room, if she thinks you are going to pay the higher amount (trust me they are sizing us up as we looks at them) and last but not least if she is attracted to you. The price for a local is 20-30 for the half hour plus hotel. When you ask her how much, always ask is the hotel included in her price. Those things said, pay what you feel is a good price and know the variables..[/QUOTE]The actual Mayorista, where all the trucks come to drop off their cargo, has expanded a lot in recent years. I heard there can be great purchases that can be made there. Anyone have first hand experience?

[QUOTE=Sam2015;2057959]FYI, 99% of casa girls continue working when they're on the rag. They stuff a wet-wipe or cotton or something up there and go to work. I had presumed otherwise.

Another board member whose opinion I trust told me last week that Barcelona had a decent line-up, if anyone wants to chime in with a report from there. It's been on my avoid list for a while.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Knowledge;2057888]My best guess is she is having her period or otherwise unable to perform. The management presents her so guys don't complain to each other about too few girls. She submits to the presentation because she doesn't want to get fired. It's no more complicated than that.

The place is a little off the beaten track even if you are staying in Centro. Barcelona nearby is sometimes worth a peek.[/QUOTE]Very probable. However I second the theory that they will work while on the rag. Maybe since the manager knows me he was doing me a favor. LOL They will also work under worse circumstances, if you can imagine as I'm sure we all can.

Price is 30 K room included. All the rest is besides the point. Yes, of course there are guys who pay more there and everywhere else. I've never experienced or heard about an offer for 30 K room included being turned down anywhere on that strip.

[QUOTE=Dpilzbo;2057907]I spend a lot of time down on the strip as do two of my buddies normally staying at Hotel Delicias. The price for the girls can vary from 30-50 mil for 30 minutes. I'm using 30 minutes because that is the most common request for work done in a hotel there on the strip. Prices for an hour or for taking her back to your place can wildly vary and not always in a bad way. The quoted prices usually are based on how many guys are down there, how many guys are actually doing any sex work and how many are just chatting the girls up, that particular girl's number of clients, how long she has been there and how long before she leaves, how much work she has already put in for the day or night, the time of month (both for bills and personal reasons), if she will ask for a tip or upsell once in the room, if she thinks you are going to pay the higher amount (trust me they are sizing us up as we looks at them) and last but not least if she is attracted to you. The price for a local is 20-30 for the half hour plus hotel. When you ask her how much, always ask is the hotel included in her price. Those things said, pay what you feel is a good price and know the variables.

If PapiOso is reading, you were actually in La Mayorista (centro commercial) not at what is commonly called Mayorista by people here in the forum. You were pretty much about a block away but outside of that gated complex. The locals call the strip La Raya I think. I usually tell taxi drivers la Mayorista then redirect them before they turn in the entrance or if on Guayabal Av I have them take the jug handle at Parque Las Chimeneas.

DP.[/QUOTE]

Indeed HT, indeed. I thought of a few after I posted. Probably should not have ended my few with ". Last but not least". Mayorista is / has expanded with the main entrance being redone almost completely. A bitter deeper in they are digging a whole for a parking garage and more space for the vendors to not be piled up on each other as they are in the building where you can find great deals on fruit and vegetables. It is tight in there but there is a system for navigating the isles. Like get out the way if someone is coming up or down the isle carrying boxes of produce. I learned quickly being a big guy but it was well worth it to get cheap but good produce. There are plenty of ATMs in the newer front part and almost all of the local banks are represented. Good food can be had at the restaurant above the market "BOOM" I think is the one. I get the names mixed up as there are three big supermarkets in the complex. The menu rotates from day to day so the choice is limited but I have not had a bad lunch there. All the markets have an area where you can get cooked food and all are pretty good. There is a WU in one of them as well in case you send yourself money from home for future trips while the exchange rate is good. (WU is in most of the larger Exitos as well and it's a pretty easy transaction just need your passport and the transaction number). There are places to get meat and seafood in the complex and there is a liquor distributor with most items but not always the absolute cheapest in the city so price around. Again, the supermarkets in the complex are good prices for mostly everything. If you really want a nice option for seafood like the bigger shrimp that are not easily found there is a seafood distributor across from the main entrance to Mayorista. It s a blue and white building on the corner. I think it is open Tuesday to Saturday but not 100% sure. I have not done a report is a long time but have made many trips. I will follow up with some info when I go on the 18th.

Yes Bangkokmikey, casas are places where the girls can be had for a set price and most are open 10-7. Nighttime is usually not for casas but for clubs or the strips but I do think a few higher end (price wise) casas are open after 7. "Reasonable prices" is relative to the buyer.

On point with the girls still doing work while their period is on. Depends on the day and how much she knows about keeping it from being messy. Had a girl want to screw with a tampon in. Told me, "Just the tip!" LOL. It's a business and the girls do have tricks for that time of month.

DP.

[QUOTE=BangkokMikey;2057944]Sorry for my ignorance guys, but I just got here and have no idea what you mean by "casas". Are they working girl houses?

I'm looking for action tonight and would love some ideas of some reasonably priced places. It appears that Pley House is now a bit expensive from what I'm reading.[/QUOTE]Casa, brothel, *****house, house of negotiable affection. Call it what you want, it all comes down to the same thing. A place where women and beds await your money.

Probably should have started reading the forum and asking questions before you're ready to hit the street.

Go back to the listing of Colombia threads. Scroll down to the Medellin Lists thread. Read. You will find a link to a map of the casas and a pdf file listing what's on the map.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2058271]Price is 30 K room included. All the rest is besides the point. Yes, of course there are guys who pay more there and everywhere else. I've never experienced or heard about an offer for 30 K room included being turned down anywhere on that strip.[/QUOTE]That's great you have never experienced it or heard of it but that does not make it untrue. 30 K is the rate to go by and should be expected but some of the girls will ask for more and turn down that depending on many things. Just being realistic because I know that I have experienced and heard about an offer for 30 K room included being turned down in front of a few hotels and bars and the restaurants on the strip. I said YMMV so you have given an example of excellent mileage. Letting guys know what to expect and what is the normal rate allows them to decide for themselves to pick, choose or refuse.

DP.

Hi All, So I was at the Mansion for the first time but was staying at the Castillo location as it was sold out for the July 4th party. I was there from June 28 to July 6 and flew down on Copa. Have to say the flight with Copa was uneventful so that is always great and was meet by the Taxi that I booked with the Mansion. Thanks to everyone who provided info on Banking as this helped out. I used a combo of ATM / Cambio on the trip and both were easy and painless, I averaged 2150 peso to 1 Canadian at the cambio and will be checking the exchange from the ATM later on in the week. Some notes and observations from this trip I did not get to do a Casa run as well the ladies at the Mansion were great for me, I did hit up Fase Dos on Saturday night for a bit with another member here on the board (Huskerdude) and was very impressed buy the quality of the ladies as they were all smoking hot. But did not partake any as the prices would have been too high.

As for the July 4th party that was my first time there and have to say that it was crazy. There must have been close to 60 plus chicas in The Cave and they were all smoking hot. I ended up going with three chicas that night as they were all dancing and grinding and hard to say No to them LOL. As for the chicas I have to say that the selection was amazing and in 8 days there I was able to spend time with 15 different chicas and each was great. My one complaint was that I was not able to get a decent BJ, not sure if it is an age thing as they were not experienced enough or what. But in all all the chicas were excellent sessions.

Spent most of the time in M1 as this is where most of the action was. I was advised about the hill walking up to Castillo but the reality is that is one ***** of a walk up and it almost killed me the first day as I was walking up it at my normal pace and that killed me. After that it was done at a slower pace and was fine. Getting the chicas from M1 to Castillo was not a problem. At night it was cab up with most and there were a few that during the day actually wanted to walk up but I always insisted that taxi was fine and they did not want too.

Also did a few touristy things the first time toward the end of the trip and that was a nice break after going hard for the first 4-5 days. Did the usual Botero Plaza and the Museum and also did a Real Walking tour that were great. Was able to also see the local red light district behind the museum and have to say that was odd as there were some nasty looking providers but then some were really hot looking also. But there is no way I would go up those stairs with any. I feel I would come down with a kidney missing.

Want to say a big Thanks to the guys who where there during my trip as they made it fun and were cool to hang with at M1.

In the end I have realized that I may not bee going back to the Dominican Republic (BlackBeards I am a compund guy) any more after seeing the quality of the Ladies and the city in general. Or if I go it will be for only a few days at best.

I can't wait to return to MDE and time to save the cash and try and book for the July 4 party for 2018.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2057323]Too much Chit Chat in this thread again.

It is supposed to be about the chicas and places they are in.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3873-Medellin-Chit-Chat-Thread[/url][/QUOTE]100% agree. Trying to find useful info on this thread can be difficult. It would be idea if there was a new thread devoted to just useful info. No opinions. It would be very helpful for first time visitors like myself.

[QUOTE=Kozak;2058412]did hit up Fase Dos on Saturday night for a bit with another member here on the board (Huskerdude) and was very impressed buy the quality of the ladies as they were all smoking hot. But did not partake any as the prices would have been too high.

Was able to also see the local red light district behind the museum and have to say that was odd as there were some nasty looking providers but then some were really hot looking also. But there is no way I would go up those stairs with any. I feel I would come down with a kidney missing.
[/QUOTE]The FaseDos girls are 190 k on property, the rooms are nice-some certainly look worth it to me.

I haven't lost a kidney yet up those stairs. One of my fav girls I met in that block, will see her again next time I am in town.

Sara:

FaseDos room:

You are right. The best advice I would give is guys should stick to their guns on that strip and if cost is an issue then go for the 15 minute rate at New Life.

[QUOTE=Dpilzbo;2058378]That's great you have never experienced it or heard of it but that does not make it untrue. 30 K is the rate to go by and should be expected but some of the girls will ask for more and turn down that depending on many things. Just being realistic because I know that I have experienced and heard about an offer for 30 K room included being turned down in front of a few hotels and bars and the restaurants on the strip. I said YMMV so you have given an example of excellent mileage. Letting guys know what to expect and what is the normal rate allows them to decide for themselves to pick, choose or refuse.

DP.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2058423]100% agree. Trying to find useful info on this thread can be difficult. It would be idea if there was a new thread devoted to just useful info. No opinions. It would be very helpful for first time visitors like myself.[/QUOTE]You must not know that there are a LIST and a RoD Threads? Purposely designed for that.

1st. Nice score dude. That chick looks gorgeous.

2nd. Anyone find it amazing how willing the girls are to take photos? I got photos of this chick and her friend that I banged on my last trip. I am sure that both were non-pros. I assumed they would say no, but they were just so hot I had to ask. Do they not worry about their family or children seeing their photos one day?

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2058425]The FaseDos girls are 190 k on property, the rooms are nice-some certainly look worth it to me.

I haven't lost a kidney yet up those stairs. One of my fav girls I met in that block, will see her again next time I am in town.

Sara:

FaseDos room:[/QUOTE]

Great report dude!

Question about pricing (posting as the answers will probably benefit others).

1. At the mansion, how does payment work? Do you just pay for the stay and all the action is included or you just grab the girls when you feel like it and pay the house or the girls as you go? (Like the FKK clubs in Europe?

2. You said Face Dos was expensive. What price were they asking and what was included for the price?

[QUOTE=Kozak;2058412]Hi All, So I was at the Mansion for the first time but was staying at the Castillo location as it was sold out for the July 4th party. I was there from June 28 to July 6 and flew down on Copa. Have to say the flight with Copa was uneventful so that is always great and was meet by the Taxi that I booked with the Mansion. Thanks to everyone who provided info on Banking as this helped out. I used a combo of ATM / Cambio on the trip and both were easy and painless, I averaged 2150 peso to 1 Canadian at the cambio and will be checking the exchange from the ATM later on in the week. Some notes and observations from this trip I did not get to do a Casa run as well the ladies at the Mansion were great for me, I did hit up Fase Dos on Saturday night for a bit with another member here on the board (Huskerdude) and was very impressed buy the quality of the ladies as they were all smoking hot. But did not partake any as the prices would have been too high.

As for the July 4th party that was my first time there and have to say that it was crazy. There must have been close to 60 plus chicas in The Cave and they were all smoking hot. I ended up going with three chicas that night as they were all dancing and grinding and hard to say No to them LOL. As for the chicas I have to say that the selection was amazing and in 8 days there I was able to spend time with 15 different chicas and each was great. My one complaint was that I was not able to get a decent BJ, not sure if it is an age thing as they were not experienced enough or what. But in all all the chicas were excellent sessions..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2058849]1st. Nice score dude. That chick looks gorgeous.

2nd. Anyone find it amazing how willing the girls are to take photos? I got photos of this chick and her friend that I banged on my last trip. I am sure that both were non-pros. I assumed they would say no, but they were just so hot I had to ask. Do they not worry about their family or children seeing their photos one day?[/QUOTE]Pros do not like their photos taken. Non-pros have no problem with photos but hope they won't be posted on a p4p website.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2059011]Pros do not like their photos taken. Non-pros have no problem with photos but hope they won't be posted on a p4p website.[/QUOTE]Also most of us P4P players do not have problem with photos, but we would not like to see them posted with face unmasked on ISG...
I believe it makes sense, right??

The relevant questions are here. The rest is chit chat.

I'm hoping to get out for some fun today, but I'm not sure what time I'll be free for a few hours. I've got 2 models to deal with today. One will (probably) work 2 to 4 hours in the morning and 2 to 4 hours at night. The other will work 2 to 4 hours sometime in the afternoon. Depending on when I get a break, I'm considering 4 major options:

1. Energy. Been there, know what to expect.

2. Fase II. If I can't get out until late.

3. A Centro strip club.

4. A Centro casa.

If I get out early afternoon it's between Energy and either Aiffe or New Life. If I get out late night, between Fase II, Maracaibo, Conejitas and Barra Ejecutiva. Price isn't an issue. I'm more interested in the quality of the room and the quality of the girls. I'm not that picky and have no problem trying a new place.

In Energy and Fase II, I'm confident to find high quality in both. My time window probably will be limited, so I want to go straight in, without going to 2 or 3 spots. Between Aiffe and New Life which has the better rooms? Same question for the strip clubs?

The rest is chit chat.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2058855]Great report dude!

Question about pricing (posting as the answers will probably benefit others).

1. At the mansion, how does payment work? Do you just pay for the stay and all the action is included or you just grab the girls when you feel like it and pay the house or the girls as you go? (Like the FKK clubs in Europe?

2. You said Face Dos was expensive. What price were they asking and what was included for the price?[/QUOTE]1. As has been reported many times, both here and in the Mansion thread, pricing there is 150 k to 200 k for an hour. Some may ask for more. You pay the hotel for your room, you pay the bar for your drinks. You pay each girl you choose for her services.

2. You quoted his post where he said the prices at Fase Dos were about 190 k. That gets the girl and all the things the girl does.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2058849]1st. Nice score dude. That chick looks gorgeous.

2nd. Anyone find it amazing how willing the girls are to take photos? I got photos of this chick and her friend that I banged on my last trip. I am sure that both were non-pros. I assumed they would say no, but they were just so hot I had to ask. Do they not worry about their family or children seeing their photos one day?[/QUOTE]2nd. How and where did you find these girls you are sure were non-pros and did you pay them? If you paid them they aren't non-pros. If you banged a girl and her friend, they almost definitely aren't non-pros, unless they were both riding unicorns when you found them.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2058855]Great report dude!

Question about pricing (posting as the answers will probably benefit others).

1. At the mansion, how does payment work? Do you just pay for the stay and all the action is included or you just grab the girls when you feel like it and pay the house or the girls as you go? (Like the FKK clubs in Europe?

2. You said Face Dos was expensive. What price were they asking and what was included for the price?[/QUOTE]You really need to take some time and read the last 30-40 pages of this thread. There is plenty of information here.

As has been repeated many times, the Mansion is not a brothel per se. What you pay the chica is between you and her. The Mansion does not want to get involved in that as it would open them up to charges of proxenetismo which is illegal in Colombia.

That said, most guys pay 150 k to 200 k pesos for short-time (an hour or two). I generally just tell the girls I'm giving them 150 k, and I've rarely had a problem. Generally if you're a sap, they are going to take advantage of you.

Men, when going with a mansion girl, you should always enjoy the bar seen first. Then line up your beauty, have a few drinks, don't be a sap but don't ruin the experience with to much negotiating. Some women offer me a deal for a 100 k. But because they were nice I tell them 150 or I won't go. Hahaha. Enjoy my friends.

[QUOTE=ElBacano;2059345]Men, when going with a mansion girl, you should always enjoy the bar seen first. Then line up your beauty, have a few drinks, don't be a sap but don't ruin the experience with to much negotiating. Some women offer me a deal for a 100 k. But because they were nice I tell them 150 or I won't go. Hahaha. Enjoy my friends.[/QUOTE]What would be great is if she were to reply 100 K or no deal.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2059382]What would be great is if she were to reply 100 K or no deal.[/QUOTE]You're a genius. I propose your post for Best of the Week.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2059382]What would be great is if she were to reply 100 K or no deal.[/QUOTE] I won't accept less than 150 k for my services!

Took a trip late last night to check out the Centro Clubs. Probably close to midnight when we arrived at Conejitas. Maybe a dozen locals all sitting together, plus 3 other tables of locals. We were the only gringos in the place. Sat through 2 different girls on the stage. If you're into enormous ass and thighs, you would have been happy. I'm not. Maybe a dozen girls in the place. 2 looked good, 3 more looked doable, none of them showed any enthusiasm. We left after 15 minutes.

Stopped in at Grill Nueva Avenida. 5 or 6 girls. 1 looked very good. Too bad I didn't see her sooner. 3 others looked good enough. The one my buddy grabbed was the most affectionate. I grabbed another who wanted to bring over her prima. I bought a few rounds of cervezitas for the girls, at 5 k each one. Cokes were 5 k as well. Picked the cousin over my original choice, but I think neither was a great choice. She started immediately with the jackhammer and there wasn't much improvement from there. Got the job done. 50 k for the service. No actual dancing happening.

Service was nothing to write home about, but still had a good time.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2060590]Took a trip late last night to check out the Centro Clubs. Probably close to midnight when we arrived at Conejitas. Maybe a dozen locals all sitting together, plus 3 other tables of locals. We were the only gringos in the place. Sat through 2 different girls on the stage. If you're into enormous ass and thighs, you would have been happy. I'm not. Maybe a dozen girls in the place. 2 looked good, 3 more looked doable, none of them showed any enthusiasm. We left after 15 minutes.

Stopped in at Grill Nueva Avenida. 5 or 6 girls. 1 looked very good. Too bad I didn't see her sooner. 3 others looked good enough. The one my buddy grabbed was the most affectionate. I grabbed another who wanted to bring over her prima. I bought a few rounds of cervezitas for the girls, at 5 k each one. Cokes were 5 k as well. Picked the cousin over my original choice, but I think neither was a great choice. She started immediately with the jackhammer and there wasn't much improvement from there. Got the job done. 50 k for the service. No actual dancing happening.

Service was nothing to write home about, but still had a good time.[/QUOTE]I've had better luck earlier in Conejitas 6-9 ish. I think the A-Team comes in early and leaves early. But you'll see a lot more girls there Fri / Sat. I've only been in GrillNueavaAve twice, a little small and not enough girls, left rather soon. I've had much better luck in Conejitas and Barre Ejectiva.

"There are plenty of ATMs in the newer front part and almost all of the local banks are represented. "

So, it's not a good idea to bring cash from the US hoping to make a simple exchange at a kiosk someplace? They don't exist here like in some places? Just work with the ATM's? Sometimes that can be a pain, what with international transaction charges, commissions, scratch-my-ass add-on fees and on and on; and adds up when you're having to visit these place everyday or two. Is there a certain ATM or Logo to look for that partners up with say Bank of America and is maybe a better deal than some of the others, or are they all about the same?

[QUOTE=Thebloke1;2060778]"There are plenty of ATMs in the newer front part and almost all of the local banks are represented. "

So, it's not a good idea to bring cash from the US hoping to make a simple exchange at a kiosk someplace? They don't exist here like in some places? Just work with the ATM's? Sometimes that can be a pain, what with international transaction charges, commissions, scratch-my-ass add-on fees and on and on; and adds up when you're having to visit these place everyday or two. Is there a certain ATM or Logo to look for that partners up with say Bank of America and is maybe a better deal than some of the others, or are they all about the same?[/QUOTE]The exchange places tend to be a bad deal.

I order some peso's from Bank of America delivered before I go and use Banco Colombia ATM's while down there. They do seem to have a 600,000 p limit.

[QUOTE=Thebloke1;2060778]So, it's not a good idea to bring cash from the US hoping to make a simple exchange at a kiosk someplace? They don't exist here like in some places? Just work with the ATM's? Sometimes that can be a pain, what with international transaction charges, commissions, scratch-my-ass add-on fees and on and on; [/QUOTE]You seem to have not a long travel experience and not in many countries out of US. The situation is exactly the opposite as you depict. Wherever you go in the world, ATMs will be the simplest and cheapest way to get local currency, provided that you use a debit card (not the credit function). Exchange fees for Maestro are the same in all the world and are usually much lower than those provided by kiosks. The local fee can vary from zero to 3 dollars (it's up to you to check if you want to save that additional dollars). The fixed fee for withdrawing from an ATM which is not from your bank can vary from 0 to 3 dollars (check with your bank rules). Withdraw the maximum amount each time, and you will be saving money (and time) compared to what you'd get from a kiosk.

This topic come back again and again.

[QUOTE=Thebloke1;2060778]"There are plenty of ATMs in the newer front part and almost all of the local banks are represented. "

So, it's not a good idea to bring cash from the US hoping to make a simple exchange at a kiosk someplace? They don't exist here like in some places? Just work with the ATM's? Sometimes that can be a pain, what with international transaction charges, commissions, scratch-my-ass add-on fees and on and on; and adds up when you're having to visit these place everyday or two. Is there a certain ATM or Logo to look for that partners up with say Bank of America and is maybe a better deal than some of the others, or are they all about the same?[/QUOTE]You can bring a large amount of cash from home. Most malls have at least one place to exchange for pesos, or you can go to Western Union. Each one will charge you a fee with a lower than current exchange rate. How much lower varies from place to place.

The downside is that you're carrying a large amount of cash and keeping a large amount of cash in your room. Room safes can he bypassed.

ATMs are everywhere. Wherever you stay there will be several ATMs within walking distance. Depending on your bank there may be a variety of charges like currency conversion fee and foreign ATM fees. Some bank ATMs also charge a service fee. Ask your bank about their fees.

My bank allows withdrawals of up to $800 per day. I use Davivienda ATMs and make up to 3 withdrawals of 720,000 pesos, their max per transaction. That's 2,160,000 pesos. For entertainment and food I rarely spend over 200,000 per day. Even if you're spending 500,000 per day, that's 1 trip to the ATM every 4 days.

I haven't checked every bank, but I know Servibanca has a 12,000 cop transaction fee.

I agree 100% with everything Black Page said. There is no logical reason for how often this subject comes up but it continues to come up. Maybe it will be helpful if guys think of the ATM fees as insurance premiums against getting jacked for or losing a big pile of cash. Think about it, given the choice of paying $20 to $30 in fees over several weeks or risking the loss of all the money you plan to spend during that time, why risk ruining your trip to save the fees and the mental energy of deciding which ATM to use? I just don't understand the confusion.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2060892]You seem to have not a long travel experience and not in many countries out of US. The situation is exactly the opposite as you depict. Wherever you go in the world, ATMs will be the simplest and cheapest way to get local currency, provided that you use a debit card (not the credit function). Exchange fees for Maestro are the same in all the world and are usually much lower than those provided by kiosks. The local fee can vary from zero to 3 dollars (it's up to you to check if you want to save that additional dollars). The fixed fee for withdrawing from an ATM which is not from your bank can vary from 0 to 3 dollars (check with your bank rules). Withdraw the maximum amount each time, and you will be saving money (and time) compared to what you'd get from a kiosk.

This topic come back again and again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2060892]You seem to have not a long travel experience and not in many countries out of US. The situation is exactly the opposite as you depict. Wherever you go in the world, ATMs will be the simplest and cheapest way to get local currency, provided that you use a debit card (not the credit function).[/QUOTE]Not correct. In Thailand and Philippines for two, it is better to exchange money than to use the ATM. Money exchange places are 3 on every corner. The Thai bank charges you $6 on their end alone, while most money exchange places give you about the same as the interbank exchange. In Philippines sometimes using the exchange will give you even more than the interbank exchange. In Peru as well it is better to use the money changers on the street.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2060977]Not correct. In Thailand and Philippines for two, it is better to exchange money than to use the ATM. Money exchange places are 3 on every corner. The Thai bank charges you $6 on their end alone, while most money exchange places give you about the same as the interbank exchange. In Philippines sometimes using the exchange will give you even more than the interbank exchange. In Peru as well it is better to use the money changers on the street.[/QUOTE]I always have both ATM cards and cash whenever I travel as sometimes the exchange rate for US dollars can be higher than the bank rate but I have found that to be true only in Thailand which I don't understand why but it is. As far as Colombia don't even think of exchanging dollars at a a casa de cambio you will easily get almost a 10 percent lower rate than using an ATM machine. Also Citibank offers a lower rate than Bancolombia as I have experienced so I avoid them. As far as money changers on the street well best to avoid them as invariably one of them will screw you over.

Or make it simple and get a Schwab Bank High Yield Investor Checking account. You never have to go into a Schwab branch. You open it online and transfer funds electronically from another bank. There are no transfer fes and the best part is that you can withdraw money from an ATM anywhere in the world for free. No ATM fees at all. Yes, you will be charged ATM fees at the time of withdrawal. But on the first of each month, your account statement comes out and they refund all ATM fees. On February 1, I received a rebate of $22 after my January trip.

THIS ACCOUNT IS A NO-BRAINER!

Link to open an account: [URL]http://content.schwab.com/web/retail/public/get-started/checking/[/URL].

For some reason, it doeasn't work at BancoColombia in Medellin for me. That's not a big deal because BancoColombia has the longest lines and the lowest daily withdrawal limit (600,000 which is only $200). I have used Citibank, Banco de Bogota, and Davidenda (sp) with no issues.

FYI- Another myth guys repeat is that some ATM's give better rates. Not true. Every ATM gives the exact same rate at any given times (not counting fees they tack on). This is because the bank that gives you the money does not calculate the exchange rate. YOUR bank does that. The foreign bank gives you pesos and YOUR bank decides how much that is worth in dollars.

Schwab is very popular on the monger boards. It works as described. There are many similar deals at other banks. No ATM fees worldwide. Some banks require a minimum balance in the $500 to $1000 range. I have a credit union account with no minimum balance requirement and no ATM fees worldwide. I would never consider traveling with a pile of cash but guys should do whatever feels comfortable.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2061033]Or make it simple and get a Schwab Bank High Yield Investor Checking account. You never have to go into a Schwab branch. You open it online and transfer funds electronically from another bank. There are no transfer fes and the best part is that you can withdraw money from an ATM anywhere in the world for free. No ATM fees at all. Yes, you will be charged ATM fees at the time of withdrawal. But on the first of each month, your account statement comes out and they refund all ATM fees. On February 1, I received a rebate of $22 after my January trip.

THIS ACCOUNT IS A NO-BRAINER!

Link to open an account: [URL]http://content.schwab.com/web/retail/public/get-started/checking/[/URL].

For some reason, it doeasn't work at BancoColombia in Medellin for me. That's not a big deal because BancoColombia has the longest lines and the lowest daily withdrawal limit (600,000 which is only $200). I have used Citibank, Banco de Bogota, and Davidenda (sp) with no issues.

FYI- Another myth guys repeat is that some ATM's give better rates. Not true. Every ATM gives the exact same rate at any given times (not counting fees they tack on). This is because the bank that gives you the money does not calculate the exchange rate. YOUR bank does that. The foreign bank gives you pesos and YOUR bank decides how much that is worth in dollars.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Queens35;2061033]FYI- Another myth guys repeat is that some ATM's give better rates. Not true. Every ATM gives the exact same rate at any given times (not counting fees they tack on). This is because the bank that gives you the money does not calculate the exchange rate. YOUR bank does that. The foreign bank gives you pesos and YOUR bank decides how much that is worth in dollars.[/QUOTE]That is not correct. I just returned from Medellin earlier this week. I withdrew money from Bancolombia, Davivienda, and BBVA. The rate at the ATM stays the same throughout the day and is tied to the previous day's exchange rate. I know this because I withdrew more than once on some days. The rates did not change Saturday, Sunday, and Monday. On the same day, I withdrew from BBVA and from Bancolombia. BBVA gave a better rate. Davivienda gave a rate between BBVA and Bancolombia. None of those three banks charge a fee. I withdrew from Davivienda between withdrawals at Bancolombia. Since it was a weekend, the rates at Bancolombia were the same, and the rate at Davivienda was a little higher. Among the three banks, the difference was less than three pesos on the dollar. I used the Schwab card for all withdrawals.

3 pesos? That's 1/10th of of a penny. That qualifies under "exactly the same rate".

[QUOTE=Queens35;2061051]3 pesos? That's 1/10th of of a penny. That qualifies under "exactly the same rate".[/QUOTE]On the same day I withdrew from Servibanca, Davivienda and Citibank. Davivienda rate was the best, Citibank was the worst. Servibanca was in the middle but also had a 12 k service fee. The rate at Citibank was over 100 pesos less per dollar.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2061055]The rate at Citibank was over 100 pesos less per dollar.[/QUOTE]Sorry but I don't believe you.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2061060]Sorry but I don't believe you.[/QUOTE]I'll pass that along to my bank and I'm sure they'll adjust the charges.

However, my numbers were wrong. I was looking at 2 different dates and I didn't have a Servibanca withdrawal on the day I used a Citibank ATM. On that day I used the Davivienda ATM at Jumbo Las Vegas and the Citibank ATM at CC Oviedo.

Daviv - 720,000 cop for $258.64 rate 2783.79 cop / usd.

Citi - 600,000 cop for $219.68 rate 2731.24 cop / USD.

Difference 52 cop / USD or 26,000 cop per $500 USD.

Not enough of a difference to lose sleep over, but the rate is not the same at every ATM. The larger factor is the current rate. I've had a range of $25 difference between identical withdrawals, depending on that days rate.

First off on that ATM discussion. Get the Schwab account they refund transaction fees all over the world. It does take 4 business days to transfer funds so plan accordingly. Especially when ATM's cap you at 600 k and you need to make multiple transactions a week those fee rebates are nice. It adds up.

Gusto - 4 for 4 pulling girls out of there. Cover is 15 K. The bouncer never hands me change he just puts it on his stand and I have to ask to take it which is douche move on both parts but whatever that's the game. Strategy is go in after 12, buy some girls you like an overpriced drink (she might have 3 in front of her and on her phone, but if she's not with a guy that means those were rejects and she will talk to you). Check your bill, I always call the liquors and the bartenders tend to put the most expensive one on the bill even if they pour in front of you. They fix it immediately. Again feels like a douche to correct them and douche for them to pull that shit. Then make small talk with the girl (in Spanish) and she will quote you a price pretty quick. The girls are not 100% for sale. I've seen them reject my wingmen before even when price wasn't an issue because she didn't like him.

Next point. The girls are often in packs. At minimum 2. If they reject your wingman the other girl is probably open to 3 way just need to give her some attention. 3/4 of the times I've pulled girls out of there its been me with 2 girls at their suggestion (1/4 was with my wingman, we took the 2 home and paired up there). The 3 way is not like the Pornhub movies. They switch condoms each blowjob and intercourse one set switched like every 4 minutes trying to run me out of condoms, but I was well stocked. The other girl moans and sits next to her friend while you fuck her. Switching condoms every few minutes can be a boner killer cause you wonder why she won't share a condom with her friend. Then hearing 2 girls moan "Papa leche" together is one of the most comical situations I've ever been. The girls don't like when you laugh at them while fucking. Three sets started at 500 k each and 2 sets settled on 300 k each, 1 set on 250 k each. Overall I would steer clear of 3-ways. The girls are in a rush and tag teaming you. One set high fived once I came then got dressed and left ASAP. Every time it was one hotter girl with her less hot friend that I ended up fucking because it was a 3 way opportunity. One girl whatsapp'd me the next day and apologized for making me fuck her friend. Literally laughed out loud for like 2 minutes when I got that message. A girl apologizing for "forcing" me into a 3 way. I love Medellin! Overall I'm going to avoid the 3 way offer its not gunna be what I think it will be and really is just a double the price but not double the pleasure. No regrets, but not gunna fall for that trap again.

Maybe you will have a different experience. Cheers!

I've been coming to Medellin and Cartagena for the past five years or so and this will be my first post here.

Day Action:

New Life. I usually go after 1 pm but before 4-5 pm so I can miss the business locals going there on their lunch break. However, both times I went at 1 pm and 3 pm during the week was crowded with dudes. Also, since Dec 2016 there is a 2 k Pesos fee! I guess I can't blame them with all the people coming in and not taking a girl. I started to ask questions and they said I didn't have to pay that day, just do it next time. This place is usually a hit or miss for me, but I'm really picky and like spinners. So I will try and give unbiased details of the girls. The first day I went there were only about 5-6 available with the others occupied. Usually there is a line up of 10-20 girls of all sizes and looks. I didn't see any spinners this time around so if you like curves there here you go. There were more than a few tall girls also if you like that. Tall meaning 5'10" and above. I didn't see anything I liked the two times I went so I just stopped trying.

Aiffe. Usually, when I find nothing at New Life I head over one street and go here. There's usually about 5-8 girls, also hit and miss. It was a miss for me on spinners.

Energy: This place is over by the stadium and has been on streaks of good and bad. Right now they seem to have about 20 girls there. They seem younger than New Life and there were more with cuter faces IMO. There were still no spinners but I picked a woman that was fit with little curves. She was 29, spoke some English, and was really nice. Sorry, forgot her name. IMO I think this was the best out of the 3 places I visited so far.

I usually go to only 3 strip clubs. These are in order of cheap to the most expensive:

San Diego. The smallest of the 3, but there can be some gems. Also, depends on your taste. You can find spinners here. Most of course are curvy, but fit. It is Medellin after all. The problem with this place is that dances are few and far in between. So it gets boring if your just looking around and not talking with a girl.

Fase II. This has been hit and miss for me, but right now it's good overall. Maybe the best of the 3 IMO as far as quality, amount of girls, and price for what you get. The space is a nice size with lots of room and you can see every part of the room easily without straining your eyes. There were spinners there, curvy girls, and curvy fit girls. I got a number from one girl and when I whatsapp'd here she wanted 350 k pesos! What a joke. It's only like 180-200 k at the club with a room. Let's calculate. She only gets up to 200 k pesos for a client at the club minus house fees and it's in those hot rank rooms. You would think she would take 150-200 k, no subtraction of club fees, to come to my very clean apartment with a pool and drinks. Dumb girl and I blew her off. There are way to many here so don't be afraid to say no or ignore them. You can be nice about it and they will be nice too, but say no thanks.

La Isla. This is the most expensive and the largest club. Fase II and this one usually has a stream of girls going up to dance. I usually pay 2 k pesos when the girls come around, because getting 1 k pesos is a chore and a half and you need a lot of them. No, you cannot get 1 k pesos at the cash register at the club. Besides, 2 k pesos is like only 66 cents right now. You can have fun when you give the girls the tip. I see other guys touch them, dance with them, smack their ass a little. This place is also the nicest out of all the strip clubs in Medellin with the largest dance floor for the girls. I always go to La Isla, among other places, every time I'm in Medellin and I met a cool server named Alex there. He speaks fluent English so it makes things a lot smoother. My Spanish is way better than before, but it's nice to have him around. PM me if you want his number.

La Isla Horror Story. On this particular night I was chilling on a couch searching for girls that I wanted to meet and started to chat with this one hot girl. Here the girls cost about 200-300 k for 40 minutes from my last recollection. This girl, Yaliz (Pronounced Jaliz, remember this name if you go there), had long black hair, implants, and a bubble butt. She knew a few words in English and seemed nice. I got her a couple of drinks and she wanted 300 k pesos. She said it was for an hour and included the VIP room. I should have read the signs. I'm such and idiot. I tried to get her number to meet up with her later in the week, but she said her cell phone was stolen. Sign post number 2. This is a hot girl in Medellin that lives off of cell phones. Some girls don't want to give their numbers, but it's rare and they usually have two phones anyway. If they don't want to give you there number then they will tell you nicely, there's no reason to lie. I eventually said fuck it and went to pay. I spoke with Alex and he tells me it's still 40 minutes, but the price does include the room. Whatever, it's only a $100 US. We walk up to the room and it's a normal room. I ask Yaliz what's up and she tells me sorry the VIP room is occupied. Huh, okay. Oh, we had gone back and forth on me having sex with her at La Isla and my place. One of the final things she said was that she would kiss me. I mention this because once we were at the room she didn't kiss me and was moving her face away. Ugh. We both had drinks and she kept taking sips of her drink and throughout the entire time she not only finished her drink, but then got two glasses of water. She then had to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] 3 different times. Now this was all in a span of about 10-15 minutes. It was such a buzz kill that I couldn't even get hard. She kept facing away from me and eventually said times up. She touched her drink glass more than me. I was like it's not even close to 40 minutes, but she kept on getting dressed. I've had one bad experience like this when I was first mongering, but this time I was like fuck this. I got dressed and left. I told the cleaning ladies there was a problem and then went to find Alex. I told him everything and he got the manager. Yaliz eventually came over and tried to talk to me but I just ignored her. After about 15 minutes the manager refunded my money minus the room charge, 60 k. Then I spoke with Alex a bit more and took off. I was clam but stern when I made my complaint and I'm sure that helped in them believing me. In the end, they actually did something about it. So don't be afraid to speak up. I didn't care about the money, I just hate being lied too.

When I first was visiting Medellin I had also tried the Strip Clubs in the Center. I eventually, decided to stick with the 3 above. However, now I wanted to try them again and saw some updates from Wolf662.

Conejitas. It's over by the State Museum on a corner and you go downstairs. No cover. It was definitely crowded with all locals, but it was cheap. I'm Asian so sometimes I can blend in, but I'm also muscular so people stare at me for my size. I'm use to it and didn't feel scared or worried for my safety. I don't have any combat training, I'm just a normal dude and it was fine. Didn't see any spinners, all curvy girls. About 10-15 and I stayed only 20 minutes. Super dark down there. There were long breaks in between dancing girls.

Barre Ejecutiva. I decided to just walk over to this place from Conejitas since it was a couple of blocks. However, if you are not use to seeing poor people on dirty roads then you may get a little scared. It was fine, just walk like you know where you are going. This place was brighter and had lots of girls of all sizes and quality. Girls were dancing in a steady stream.

Maracaibo. I went to this place after Barre Ejecutiva. I was here many years ago and it's the same. It's smaller than the two places above and was empty with customers. There were about 8 girls there. I was talking to one girl and she said things get full at midnight. This seems to be the norm for all strip clubs I've been to in Medellin. The lighting was in the middle of these 3 clubs. There were long breaks in between dancing girls.

Daytime action is always hard to find and / or coordinate. That's why I try to get numbers at the strip clubs and see them during the day also. I hope this little piece of info helps others. Remember, don't be afraid to speak your mind or complain. You don't need to be mean about it or yell to get results. Just explain things in a normal way and you should get the best possible results.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2060977]Not correct. In Thailand and Philippines for two, it is better to exchange money than to use the ATM. Money exchange places are 3 on every corner. The Thai bank charges you $6 on their end alone, while most money exchange places give you about the same as the interbank exchange. In Philippines sometimes using the exchange will give you even more than the interbank exchange. In Peru as well it is better to use the money changers on the street.[/QUOTE]Yes, I was thinking to add an annex to my post, even before reading yours.

As you say, it is TRUE that in SOME countries, yet not many (I don't know in TH and PH, but I am familiar with Indonesia), the kiosks (not the banks, not the Western Union, not Forex, etc.) MAY offer a better deal than ATMs. The reasons may be many, but I suspect that it must have something to do with the usefulness of having foreign cash from unrecorded sources to the benefit of local traders and business who don't want to pay taxes etc. There is no other plausible explanation, if someone offers you to buy USD at a better rate than the one posted on [URL]XE.COM[/URL]! It's agains the current market.

Is it common in the world? I would not say that, since it all my travel experience I found this situation only in Batam, Indonesia (and you add the cases of TH and PH).

How can we make the comparison of exchange fees?

Maestro applies something like 1. 25% fee over the interbank exchange rates of the day (those we read on XE, for example). Over that interchange fee, we must add some fixed fees that there MAY be or MAY BE NOT (from the local ATM provider and from our bank).

+1. 25% plus some extra dollar fixed fee is a verey good deal. If you add that you don't have to travel with 1 k or 2 k USD cash in your wallet and store it in your room, you should have no doubt to prefer an ATM to get local cash.

About exchange fees at local kiosks, the situation can vary a lot. In Batam after negotiation and walking around I was able to change USD for IDR with nearly the same XE rate or even better, but that is an exception (you added the TH and PH kiosks). In Colombia, the fork (difference) betwen buy and sell at exchange offices, which I found when I looked for it, was always much higher than that. If you try to change at an international airport in Europe or USA, the difference between buy and sell can be even on the order of 20% or 30%! (a legalized robbery).

First time to Colombia, though I have traveled many times to Thailand, the Philippines, China, and DR where I've always used the exchange kiosks. Have also been around Europe and Costa Rica, but as I said this is a new place for me and one constant in life is change; so it's always smart to check on current methods and procedures ahead of time. Also, ATM's can sometimes be a potential risk depending on the location, time of day, etc. , as thieves know any gringos will be leaving these places with a pocketful of cash. But thanks for all the pointers. Not exactly sure the best way to establish a particular banks maximum daily withdrawal limit as well as the maximum limit per transaction, seems like BS right there that you may not be able to make the maximum daily withdrawal in one transaction. But I will start with Davivienda and see how that goes. Also, I think a good idea to order some pesos from BOA prior to the trip, just to have something in your pocket for the taxi, etc. Anyway, thanks again for the advice. Federer's playing– have to run.

Thanks for all the interesting ATM info, just incredible!

Maybe we can all post our favorite ATM stories as well!

This is great! 𗀄

Hi guys,

I'm new here, my first post on ISG is a recent trip report to panama city and can be found in the Panama thread.

Unfortunately this time I have a question, is the best western in Poblado guest / Chica friendly?

I will post a report after my trip.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2061096]I'll pass that along to my bank and I'm sure they'll adjust the charges.

However, my numbers were wrong. I was looking at 2 different dates and I didn't have a Servibanca withdrawal on the day I used a Citibank ATM. On that day I used the Davivienda ATM at Jumbo Las Vegas and the Citibank ATM at CC Oviedo.

Daviv - 720,000 cop for $258.64 rate 2783.79 cop / usd.

Citi - 600,000 cop for $219.68 rate 2731.24 cop / USD.

Difference 52 cop / USD or 26,000 cop per $500 USD.

Not enough of a difference to lose sleep over, but the rate is not the same at every ATM. The larger factor is the current rate. I've had a range of $25 difference between identical withdrawals, depending on that days rate.[/QUOTE]Citi has an ATM fee that is rolled right into the transaction.

I don't know how you could have missed it since it shows you the amount usually 15 to 18 mill pesos and asks you if you still want to make the withdrawal before you can get your money.

Citi bank is great for guys that have a fidelity or Charles Schwab account because you can get the fee back.

For every Citi bank withdrawal I make in Colombia I get about $5. 25 cents back at the end of the month.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2061272]Citi has an ATM fee that is rolled right into the transaction.

I don't know how you could have missed it since it shows you the amount usually 15 to 18 mill pesos and asks you if you still want to make the withdrawal before you can get your money.

Citi bank is great for guys that have a fidelity or Charles Schwab account because you can get the fee back.

For every Citi bank withdrawal I make in Colombia I get about $5. 25 cents back at the end of the month.[/QUOTE]I probably did see it at the time, I just forgot about it in the 6 weeks or so since I used it. Recalculating, I see that with their 12 k ATM fee, Servibanca still gives a rate very close to Davivienda. They also allow 780 k withdrawals.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2061232]Thanks for all the interesting ATM info, just incredible!

Maybe we can all post our favorite ATM stories as well!

This is great! 𗀄[/QUOTE]Yeah; me too. ATM reporting is the main reason I look at this thread vs. Going to the Medellin Chit Chat one. Awesome!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2061096]I'll pass that along to my bank and I'm sure they'll adjust the charges.

However, my numbers were wrong. I was looking at 2 different dates and I didn't have a Servibanca withdrawal on the day I used a Citibank ATM. On that day I used the Davivienda ATM at Jumbo Las Vegas and the Citibank ATM at CC Oviedo.

Daviv - 720,000 cop for $258.64 rate 2783.79 cop / usd.

Citi - 600,000 cop for $219.68 rate 2731.24 cop / USD.

Difference 52 cop / USD or 26,000 cop per $500 USD.

Not enough of a difference to lose sleep over, but the rate is not the same at every ATM. The larger factor is the current rate. I've had a range of $25 difference between identical withdrawals, depending on that days rate.[/QUOTE]Wow, a net rate in the 2700's! The dollar is truly weak in Colombia whether you use ATM's or not.

I have to agree, unless you deposited money and the ATM gave you a BJ or HJ for being a loyal bank customer this info belongs in the General Forum.

Or at least tell us about hot girls waiting right by the machines or that you met shortly after.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2061232]Thanks for all the interesting ATM info, just incredible!

Maybe we can all post our favorite ATM stories as well!

This is great! 𗀄[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Balboa;2061232]Maybe we can all post our favorite ATM stories as well![/QUOTE]Here goes mine.

Last year, I was staying at La 70 in Laureles. I went to banco de Bogota branch on la 70 and one block from Exito on calle 43. My ATM card would not give me any cash and I had gotten money there the day before. I kept getting some error code that Schwab told me was internal to Banco de Bogota. So I went into the branch and sat down to wait for the rep. Only 1 rep available and a couple was talking to her. And talking. And talking.

Finally, this hot and young (late 20's, I'm 40 at the time) and very curvy (read: thick--totally my type) rep doing something at one of the other desks sees me sitting there and asks if she can help. I explain my predicament with the ATM card. I'm fluent in Spanish BTW. She comes around the desk and asks me to accompany her to the outside ATM so she can see. As luck would have it, it friggin worked on the first try. I apologized and she kept smiling and being cute. I never do this but I asked her out while we were inside the ATM, I said a drink or dinner. Even if she declines it would be private and I could just get out of there quick to spare myself the embarrasment. And she ACCEPTED. Whoa.

Summary: 3 days and 2 dates later, she was waking up in my bed at the hotel. Total cost 2 dinners and some drinks. The end.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2061520]Here goes mine.

Last year, I was staying at La 70 in Laureles. I went to banco de Bogota branch on la 70 and one block from Exito on calle 43. My ATM card would not give me any cash and I had gotten money there the day before. I kept getting some error code that Schwab told me was internal to Banco de Bogota. So I went into the branch and sat down to wait for the rep. Only 1 rep available and a couple was talking to her. And talking. And talking.

Finally, this hot and young (late 20's, I'm 40 at the time) and very curvy (read: thick--totally my type) rep doing something at one of the other desks sees me sitting there and asks if she can help. I explain my predicament with the ATM card. I'm fluent in Spanish BTW. She comes around the desk and asks me to accompany her to the outside ATM so she can see. As luck would have it, it friggin worked on the first try. I apologized and she kept smiling and being cute. I never do this but I asked her out while we were inside the ATM, I said a drink or dinner. Even if she declines it would be private and I could just get out of there quick to spare myself the embarrasment. And she ACCEPTED. Whoa.

Summary: 3 days and 2 dates later, she was waking up in my bed at the hotel. Total cost 2 dinners and some drinks. The end.[/QUOTE]You got my vote for the best ATM story. It shows you that you should never try to force something to happen, rather just allow it to happen in its time and on its schedule.

Good reminder for us all!

TTM.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2061532]You got my vote for the best ATM story. [/QUOTE]I Agree!

What's more, we can keep on talking about our favourite topic (ATM, of course), while not being scolded because here nobody should chit-chat or talk about anything unrelated to pussy!

[QUOTE=Queens35;2061520]Here goes mine.

Last year, I was staying at La 70 in Laureles. I went to banco de Bogota branch on la 70 and one block from Exito on calle 43. My ATM card would not give me any cash and I had gotten money there the day before. I kept getting some error code that Schwab told me was internal to Banco de Bogota. So I went into the branch and sat down to wait for the rep. Only 1 rep available and a couple was talking to her. And talking. And talking.

Finally, this hot and young (late 20's, I'm 40 at the time) and very curvy (read: thick--totally my type) rep doing something at one of the other desks sees me sitting there and asks if she can help. I explain my predicament with the ATM card. I'm fluent in Spanish BTW. She comes around the desk and asks me to accompany her to the outside ATM so she can see. As luck would have it, it friggin worked on the first try. I apologized and she kept smiling and being cute. I never do this but I asked her out while we were inside the ATM, I said a drink or dinner. Even if she declines it would be private and I could just get out of there quick to spare myself the embarrasment. And she ACCEPTED. Whoa.

Summary: 3 days and 2 dates later, she was waking up in my bed at the hotel. Total cost 2 dinners and some drinks. The end.[/QUOTE]Nice dude!

Finally an ATM pussy report! LOL.

Yes!! 👍🏼👍🏼

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2061608]I Agree!

What's more, we can keep on talking about our favourite topic (ATM, of course), while not being scolded because here nobody should chit-chat or talk about anything unrelated to pussy![/QUOTE]Men, I love a good ATM as much as the next guy, I already have a finance degree. A NICE juicy pay to play report would be great. I'll be going to the best city one earth in August, stay tuned for some good reports. Until then men, enjoy.

What's up fellas.

I'm planning our first trip to Medellin in September with two of my friends who have been to DR with me the past four years.

We always rented a car in DR, is it safe and sensible to rent a car in Medellin?

I like to consider myself somewhat sensible, so I know better than to go driving about late at night, or into neighborhoods that are unknown or look shady.

Would try to link up with one of the guides on these threads too.

Does anyone have a good, current number for Geraldine? The number I have doesn't seem to be working. Please feel free to PM.

Thanks,

Rodeo.

There's a lot more guys with more experience than me that can help but my 2 cents. The 3 of you just share a cab to and from airport, it's cheap. Are you planning on traveling outside of Medellin? In my visits I have never once thought, I wish I had a car. Cabs throughout the city will run you about 3 bucks total and traffic in Medellin is awful! It's not worth the headache in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Kaldres;2062923]What's up fellas.

I'm planning our first trip to Medellin in September with two of my friends who have been to DR with me the past four years.

We always rented a car in DR, is it safe and sensible to rent a car in Medellin?

I like to consider myself somewhat sensible, so I know better than to go driving about late at night, or into neighborhoods that are unknown or look shady.

Would try to link up with one of the guides on these threads too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaldres;2062923]What's up fellas.

I'm planning our first trip to Medellin in September with two of my friends who have been to DR with me the past four years.

We always rented a car in DR, is it safe and sensible to rent a car in Medellin?

I like to consider myself somewhat sensible, so I know better than to go driving about late at night, or into neighborhoods that are unknown or look shady.

Would try to link up with one of the guides on these threads too.[/QUOTE]For the cost of a car, plus insurance you can hire a driver who knows his way around.

Traffic in Medellin is bad and drivers are aggressive. Motorcycles, cars and buses will squeeze by with inches to spare. The streets are a pain. You can rarely turn left. You have to find the right street with a you-turn, or where you can make a series of turns to get headed in the right direction. Then there's the problems with parking.

No matter where you stay you are probably only a short walk away from a bus stop (2000 cop) or metro station (2300 cop). If you prefer, a taxi will cost between 5000 and 15000 cop to just about anywhere you want to go. Uber is usually about the same price.

To put that in perspective, you can get almost anywhere for $5 or less. If you plan on hitting the Centro Clubs and casas, you'll be taking a taxi anyway. My friends here with cars spend more time in Uber or a taxi than in their own cars.

BoredInN and JjBee62 Thank you.

Settles it, no car. LOL, That's funny that your friends spend more time in Uber and Taxi's than their own cars.

But yeah, that makes my life easier too, because I'm usually the driver. Now I can actually just drink and enjoy!

Much appreciated again fellas, I'll probably have some more questions later, but I just expect to be posting a great trip report come September.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2063058]For the cost of a car, plus insurance you can hire a driver who knows his way around.

Traffic in Medellin is bad and drivers are aggressive. Motorcycles, cars and buses will squeeze by with inches to spare. The streets are a pain. You can rarely turn left. You have to find the right street with a you-turn, or where you can make a series of turns to get headed in the right direction. Then there's the problems with parking.

No matter where you stay you are probably only a short walk away from a bus stop (2000 cop) or metro station (2300 cop). If you prefer, a taxi will cost between 5000 and 15000 cop to just about anywhere you want to go. Uber is usually about the same price.

To put that in perspective, you can get almost anywhere for $5 or less. If you plan on hitting the Centro Clubs and casas, you'll be taking a taxi anyway. My friends here with cars spend more time in Uber or a taxi than in their own cars.[/QUOTE]

OK, good advice in general but "aggressive drivers" is a major overstatement compared to the Dominican Republic. Anyone with successful driving experience in Santo Domingo will find Medellin driving very easy by comparison. The cost of car rentals however is much more expensive, so JBee is spot on that you can get a private driver for similar cost. You can use taxis and uber for much less than the cost of renting a car. Parking is tight in Centro right now because of the now years old sewer reconstruction project. That project isn't doing much for traffic flow in Centro either. Walking is by far the fastest way to make your way around Centro. A car can be convenient for trips between Poblado and Centro but so are buses, uber, and taxis. Have a great time!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2063058]For the cost of a car, plus insurance you can hire a driver who knows his way around.

Traffic in Medellin is bad and drivers are aggressive. Motorcycles, cars and buses will squeeze by with inches to spare. The streets are a pain. You can rarely turn left. You have to find the right street with a you-turn, or where you can make a series of turns to get headed in the right direction. Then there's the problems with parking.

No matter where you stay you are probably only a short walk away from a bus stop (2000 cop) or metro station (2300 cop). If you prefer, a taxi will cost between 5000 and 15000 cop to just about anywhere you want to go. Uber is usually about the same price.

To put that in perspective, you can get almost anywhere for $5 or less. If you plan on hitting the Centro Clubs and casas, you'll be taking a taxi anyway. My friends here with cars spend more time in Uber or a taxi than in their own cars.[/QUOTE]

You are correct.

[QUOTE=BoredInIN;2063046]There's a lot more guys with more experience than me that can help but my 2 cents. The 3 of you just share a cab to and from airport, it's cheap. Are you planning on traveling outside of Medellin? In my visits I have never once thought, I wish I had a car. Cabs throughout the city will run you about 3 bucks total and traffic in Medellin is awful! It's not worth the headache in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Yes, renting a car in MDE is pointless and probably more stress and aggrevation that its worth.

The most that I have ever paid for a taxi was $9-10 I think. And that was because we took a parked taxi from centro strip club.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2063183]Yes, renting a car in MDE is pointless.[/QUOTE]Cost of living, hotels, restaurants and most goods in Medellin is surprisingly inexpensive, but with just one exception: car rental fees match the high side of fees in Europe.

In addition, there is NO reason to wish to have a personal car in Medellin, unless maybe in just two cases:

1) you wish to fuck a street girl in your car (it's an experience which has its own merit and appeal, I understand);.

2) you wish to go out Medellin and be free to go where you want and with the times you want (a day spent going around Antioquia, for example in Santa Fe, Guatape, etc. Should not be missed by any tourist coming here), without the constraints of public transportation.

However, at least for me, both cases have never been really compelling enough to move me to rent a car. Indeed:

1) I had some BJs on a taxi (but the driver was already kind of my friend, after a while we knew each other, and therefore part of the fun was roaming the worst areas to hunt with him well after midnight).

2) if you don't have any local friend who can take you around on a Sunday, you can arrange a car with driver for the same price of a car rental.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;2062989]Does anyone have a good, current number for Geraldine? The number I have doesn't seem to be working. Please feel free to PM.

Thanks,

Rodeo.[/QUOTE]Your inbox is full.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2063388]Your inbox is full.[/QUOTE]Can I have the info too?

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2063388]Your inbox is full.[/QUOTE]If she's that good I'd like her number. LOL.

The best I, or a couple of my friends ever had was a girl that worked in Energy called Paulina. But I don't think she has been working there for about a year now. Seems like her old number doesn't work either.

If anyone has a new contact info for her, that would be special.

[QUOTE=Gagoo;2063574]If she's that good I'd like her number. LOL.[/QUOTE]+1. Hurry up!
She must be that fresh type of girl, nearly inexperienced.... I wonder how she looks dressed up as colegiala.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2063321]
1) I had some BJs on a taxi (but the driver was already kind of my friend, after a while we knew each other, and therefore part of the fun was roaming the worst areas to hunt with him well after midnight).
[/QUOTE]BP, always great solid advice you provide.

So true with this comment of your, I can never understand what it is in our perverted mind but takintg some of these calculated risks like getting a BJ in the back seat of a taxi at 2 AM in downtown bad part of medellin is fun. Jajajaja.

TTM.

[QUOTE=Thebloke1;2060778]"There are plenty of ATMs in the newer front part and almost all of the local banks are represented. "

So, it's not a good idea to bring cash from the US hoping to make a simple exchange at a kiosk someplace? They don't exist here like in some places? Just work with the ATM's? Sometimes that can be a pain, what with international transaction charges, commissions, scratch-my-ass add-on fees and on and on; and adds up when you're having to visit these place everyday or two. Is there a certain ATM or Logo to look for that partners up with say Bank of America and is maybe a better deal than some of the others, or are they all about the same?[/QUOTE]Aside from the Charles Schwab account there is capital one 360 checking. This is the one I use mostly. This is the card I use for ATMs in Colombia. The only bank there that was going to hit me with a fee if I used their ATM was Citibank.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2060977]Not correct. In Thailand and Philippines for two, it is better to exchange money than to use the ATM. Money exchange places are 3 on every corner. The Thai bank charges you $6 on their end alone, while most money exchange places give you about the same as the interbank exchange. In Philippines sometimes using the exchange will give you even more than the interbank exchange. In Peru as well it is better to use the money changers on the street.[/QUOTE]Correct. I used my cap one in Thailand and Vietnam and was hit by a fee (from their end) each and every time.

Just did a few weeks in Medellin. Met some cute Venezuelans around the bars and they proved to be the highlights of my trip.

About 75% of the service around the casas and centro strip clubs was good. The good news is when you get a bad one you aren't out much cash.

The whole germophobe phenomenon seems to grow with each trip to Medellin, and is something I've never encountered in any other city. In February I first noticed the spray disinfectant bottles around some of the casas for hand sanitizing before sessions. What's hilarious though is the occasional chica that picks up the bottle after the session and sprays down the fronts of the bed sheets rather than change them. Ja Ja. And you can bet that these same girls are touching doorknobs in public places and without gloves on.

Just a quick heads up on an especially bad one, Sophia at Casa Barcelona, Calle 59 50-12. She is fairly petite, long black hair and with a distinct mole above her upper lip. She had the germophobe thing going, the spray bottle and baby wipe scrubs, but was bat shit crazy in other respects. First she claimed that my lube was "caliente" and rushed for the bathroom to scrub down her pussy with toilet paper. But my lube never touched her as I had yet to penetrate her, was only about to do so. Ja Ja. And the lube was the normal kind anyway without heat sensation.

We get going eventually but with lube from her purse, but she immediately starts clutching the condom with her hand, digging in her nails to assure that only 50% penetration was achieved. Could have also been paranoid and wanted to make sure the condom was still there. She refused to stop so I called it a day. She's also one of the ones that sprayed down the shits rather than change them. Toss a bunch of cheap, potent coke on top of a low IQ and the results will never be good.

If anyone has any questions about my trip feel free to PM and I will try to assist.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2064191]The whole germophobe phenomenon seems to grow with each trip to Medellin, and is something I've never encountered in any other city.[/QUOTE]At Hong Kong strip club in Tijuana they keep a giant bottle of hand sanitizer on the part of the stage where the girls go up the steps. When one girl finished her routine she got off stage and rubbed the sanitizer all over her body like it was body lotion.

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US citizen dies stabbed in Laureles.

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US citizen dies stabbed in Laureles.[/QUOTE]See there. Told you guys that el centro was not safe.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2064191]What's hilarious though is the occasional chica that picks up the bottle after the session and sprays down the fronts of the bed sheets rather than change them. J

She's also one of the ones that sprayed down the shits rather than change them. [/QUOTE]This is my opinion so crucify me if you must but. This is why I find the casas so disgusting. There are always maids running around but the sheets looks like they haven't been changed in a year!

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2064409]This is my opinion so crucify me if you must but. This is why I find the casas so disgusting. There are always maids running around but the sheets looks like they haven't been changed in a year!![/QUOTE]I only ever see the maids cleaning the floor. So maybe fuck on the floor and walk on the sheets?

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2064409]This is my opinion so crucify me if you must but. This is why I find the casas so disgusting. There are always maids running around but the sheets looks like they haven't been changed in a year!!

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you may have only been to New Life as far as the centro casas go, as it's the only one I've seen that has maids. But in order to get a look at a room you had to commit to a session. If the sheets were so obviously filthy let's hope you made a beeline for the door and never returned.

P.S. In fairness to New Life none of the bit with spraying the sheets with hand sanitizer in lieu of changing them was ever observed by me there. I've also many times seen girls changing the sheets after a session at Aiffee, as you get a view of the most often used, large room in the front from the waiting area.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2064297]See there. Told you guys that el centro was not safe.[/QUOTE]This's the monger's worst nightmare. Hopefully he wasn't set up by a chica. Like one of my Argentinian friend told me, "las chicas son malas".

I'm checking purses for weapons next time a chica walks in my hotel room. But truthful you don't know what the back story is. The chicas could have been a coked up hoe. There are a lot of those chicas in el centro. But a weed head chica won't remember the hotel you fuck her in from the night before. So you don't have to worry about that with them. LOL.

Not all chicas are Malas guys. Or should I say medellin is dangerous and foreigner are stupid for going there to bang hot woman.

[QUOTE=PickCherry12;2064514]This's the monger's worst nightmare. Hopefully he wasn't set up by a chica. Like one of my Argentinian friend told me, "las chicas son malas".[/QUOTE]

This time around I was not looking to hang out with friends I have met in the past. At this point I have 4 friends that consider me as there novio and I didn't feel like putting up with the whole boyfriend scene. This trip I was just looking to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and pillage. And [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and pillage I did. LOL! I first went to a casa that I haven't been to in a few years. Barcelona had a decent lineup and I picked a big breasted dark skins paisa. Had decent service and loved her big breast bouncing up-and-down while she was on top. They now charge a viewing fee if you don't pick a chica. Which I thought was lame.

For my second pop I went to chicaspuntocom. They by far have the biggest line up of any casa except for New Life from back in the day. New life is a casa I just don't go to anymore. Because there management sucks. Chicaspuntocom had about 15 chicas working around 5 pm. They range from 6-9 in looks. You can find pretty much any size you like. I picked up a typical Paisa. Black hair white skins. She smiled when she shook my hand so that's all I needed to pick her. Good thing I did because gave a great BJ that lasted about a good 20 min. Which left me 10 min to fuck her. Did 2 positions and popped. I also visited the Casa on the third floor one floor up from chicaspuntocom. They are own by the same owner. Lineup was weak.

For my 3rd pop I went to Masajes Zandaly. In past visits I never went with any Chica. In the past few years they've always had the same lineup. This time was a little different. 2 chicas I recognize from previous visits and 6 new beautiful chicas. I went with a spinner from Barranquilla area. She was super fun and very willing to please my every desire.

After 3 pops I was tired and hungry. So ate and sleep until 10 pm. I have always stayed on Calle 53 (avenida Maracaibo) where there are 2 strip club walking distance from my hotel.

Club Maracaibo and Barra ejecutiva. Walked in to my surprise didn't find anything I liked. For the first time. Wtf! Shitty lineup for a Tuesday. As I walked outside a ran into a taxi driver friend of mine. Chilled outside and smoked a joint in front of the La Barra. Talked about how lame the clubs were. He said let's go to San Diego Grill. Now last time I went to San Diego Grill I had a bad time because it was so crowded and expensive. But this time it being the weekend I was 1 of 5 customers. And there were about 15 chicas bored out of there mind. The pricing structure is different then any other club. I think the bouncer said you had to pay 80 pesos as a cover and that includes three beers. I told him I don't drink beer and drink liquor. He told me you can buy half a bottle at a ridiculous price I can't remember. But I was ready to spend that night so I agree. After being seated he recommend I buy a bigger bottle that way I don't have to chicas lady drinks. I can just give away the drinks without paying the lady drink prices. I think I ended up paying 180 or 200 pesos for a bottle. But honestly it was the best move because I could give away shots without having to pay the (ficha drink price) which is about 6-8 US dollars. Out of all the chicas there was only one ugly one. The rest were 8-9. All fine as hell. I pick a typical paisa white skin black hair with a rack to die for. I interview her over some shots of rum and find out she loves to fuck and smoke weed. I say perfect. Let's go. She tried to charge 200 pesos plus 40 room fee. I laughed straight to her face. I said "maybe you'll get that on the weekend. But it's slow as fuck tonight. So you got to bring that price down". I change the subject for a bit and continue to make small talk then when I was ready to go up to the room I told her 140 pesos take it or leave it. Keep in mind this is me standing up and getting ready to go up to the room with me holding her hand. LOL. I whisper in her ear. I got a fat joint and some good dick. That was it! She Agree. We did the deed and had a blast. We cleaned up and headed back together to the bar. She begins to tell me how business is really slow and she hasn't fucked in a week. Says she in this business because she loves to fuck and make money. No kids and no drama about "I do it for my kids". Blah blah blah! After a few more drinks. I told her I want to fuck again but not here. I told here I'll pay here 150 k to come to my hotel after here shift which ends at 2 am on the week days. She agreed. She told me to wait across the street at the gas station. At about 150 am I cross the street to wait. Waited about 15 min thinking she wasn't going to show. Next thing you know a Taxi pulls up with her inside and screams out let's go! We get back to the hotel smoke some more and have a great session that lasted a good long while. She was the highlight of my trip. I will definitely be going back to San Diego Grill just not on the weekend. I'd say Sunday -Wednesday are the best. And be ready to spend at least $200 US there. But it's still a lot cheaper than what you would spend at Fase II or the other pricey clubs.

The rest of my trip I went to.

Club de amigas sex.

Paisa relax.

Saritas.

All had different line ups from previous visits. So that was a plus. There is a small freelance casa managed by a dude with one bad eye around the corner from Masajes Zandaly. He always has 2 or 3 chicas there working during the day. Mostly not worth doing but this time there was a hot 19 year old paisa with a perfect 10 body and a 8 face. This girl could have easily worked at fase dos or any high end club. She wasn't very friendly at first but once we started talking about smoking weed her eyes lite up. LOL. I asked how much was the take out fee to go to my hotel. She said I can leave when I want. Damn that was easy! I told here I pay 80 k for a few hours. Next thing you know we're smoking a joint in my balcony and getting ready to have a great session. Wow 80 k!

I love MDE!

I also walked El Centro during the day and at night. I'd say it's still dangerous if you don't look Hispanic or black. I've always walked El Centro alone and never had any trouble. I just blend in with no fancy jewelry and don't walk around using my cell phone. Last year I did get my cell phone robbed by some tranny pick pockets. But my life was not in danger.

Final thought. There are still a lot of diamond in the rough in El Centro. And anybody that pays big money in MDE all the time is definitely doing it wrong or just a idiot with lots of money. Remember guys we don't want MDE becoming the next Rio. This trip was strictly for sport fucking. And sport fuck I did! I'm going again after August 12 but chillin with my GF's. I might have one night free. So pm me if you're in town. All show you the dirt ropes.

Dcfan.

"The Dirt Continues".

New talent flowing in.

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Worried about cleanliness of a sheet? Bring your own. You should be worried about a girl. There are no diamonds in the rough in the city centre, only rough. And of course, anyone looking for same sex, should take it to SEA where this type of activity may be safer (and I am posting it following likely to the latest murder just to make a point on security).

They also mop the floor.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2064513]Sounds like you may have only been to New Life as far as the centro casas go, as it's the only one I've seen that has maids. But in order to get a look at a room you had to commit to a session. If the sheets were so obviously filthy let's hope you made a beeline for the door and never returned.

P.S. In fairness to New Life none of the bit with spraying the sheets with hand sanitizer in lieu of changing them was ever observed by me there. I've also many times seen girls changing the sheets after a session at Aiffee, as you get a view of the most often used, large room in the front from the waiting area.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2064581]They also mop the floor.[/QUOTE]I've seen the same at the Coffee Shop and Puntos.

[QUOTE=Questner;2064556]There are no diamonds in the rough in the city centre, only rough. And of course, anyone looking for same sex, should take it to SEA where this type of activity may be safer (and I am posting it following likely to the latest murder just to make a point on security).[/QUOTE]I am sincerely sorry you could not find the gems in the centre. Maybe you were not lucky, maybe you were not a good hunter. There are indeed! But as when you look for jewels in the sand of a beach, you need a good detector and perseverance. I cannot forget a couple of girls I met on the streets of San Diego and Prado well after 9 pm. Beautiful and sweet, just hit badly by life accidents. Last time I looked for my last "girlfriend" roaming around with taxi and asking others, but we could not find her, even if the taxi driver was swearing he saw her weeks before. (I am not sure he really could recognize her after months).

[QUOTE=Questner;2064556] And of course, anyone looking for same sex, should take it to SEA where this type of activity may be safer (and I am posting it following likely to the latest murder just to make a point on security).[/QUOTE]I do share with you your appreciation for SEA girls, and definitely SEA is another planet when we speak about safety. However, I don't think anyone was ever robbed in a Centro casa. Casas are 100% safe, because it's their business to be safe. Another thing is bringing a girl at home, definitely.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2064740]I do share with you your appreciation for SEA girls, and definitely SEA is another planet when we speak about safety. However, I don't think anyone was ever robbed in a Centro casa. Casas are 100% safe, because it's their business to be safe. Another thing is bringing a girl at home, definitely.[/QUOTE]I don't think he was referring to SEA "girls".

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2064829]I don't think he was referring to SEA "girls".[/QUOTE]Excuse my ignorance but does SEA mean South East Asia?

Thanks,

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2064851]Excuse my ignorance but does SEA mean South East Asia?

Thanks,

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]Indeed it does, but the part where he mentioned "anyone looking for same sex" did not mean girls (unless his post was only intended for girls)!

[QUOTE=CherchezFemme;2064555]New talent flowing in.

[URL]https://www.economist.com/news/americas/21725351-women-fleeing-poverty-get-right-work-prostitutes-venezuelans-sell-sex-colombia?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/venezuelanssellsexincolombiatosurvive[/URL][/QUOTE]This has been mentioned many times already. Someone else already posted this link. Or maybe it was you again. Venezuelan girls working in Colombia is not news anymore. What we need is a club or casa full of them. The only club in Colombia that I seen full of them was in Santa Marta, but I am sure border cities like Cucuta are full of them also. I actually went to Cucuta for a couple days and I didn't have any luck with the area that I went to because I went too early. Lots or bars and restaurants here Venezuelans people. They will work long and hard for very low pay, so restaurants love to hire them. I was talking to an English speaking restaurant owner in Laureles and he said next door had 4 of them. And across the street has 2. A very small bar I know owned by an American hires a nice looking Venezuelan girl as the bar tender. There are all up and in Parque Lleras also. If you can speak good Spanish maybe you can ask them on a date and see where that goes. Oh, and in Bello, I went to party up there and the club knew to send the English speak Venezuelan guy to serve me.

[QUOTE=Questner;2064556]... There are no diamonds in the rough in the city centre, only rough...[/QUOTE]Speak for yourself amigo.

If you know what you're doing, they can definitely be found.

My last couple return trips to Medellin have been to hang with my 18 year old diamond I met in el Centro.

Men, I've been hunting in Centro for a few years now, yes you can find a diamond, I found 2 without even trying my last trip. That being said, Centro is for the experienced, not you novices, Remember it's all about attitude. Never let your guard down in Centro. It can be Dangerous.

[QUOTE=ElBacano;2065433]Centro is for the experienced, not you novices,[/QUOTE]How many times had you been to Centro the first time you went?

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=ElBacano;2065433]Men, I've been hunting in Centro for a few years now, yes you can find a diamond, I found 2 without even trying my last trip. That being said, Centro is for the experienced, not you novices, Remember it's all about attitude. Never let your guard down in Centro. It can be Dangerous.[/QUOTE]I agree. I've been going to Colombia for the past ten years. The general situation remains oversupply of girls to clients. For every naive gringo who overpays a girl terribly there are 25 locals that want to give the girl 30 mil pesos for a session. So a girl will take minimal money, as long as you show you will not overspend. Colombians have their class systems just like any country, so very poor girls are forced to sell themselves to their own class. So yes, a beautiful girl can be found anywhere in Colombia in any class or barrio. But like its been said a million times, one has to search a bit for one. Go to all mall in America or Germany or whatever, most women are normal looking and not the dream girls we chase. So its no different. Diamonds don't grow on trees in any part of the world.

[QUOTE=Gagoo;2064983]This has been mentioned many times already. Someone else already posted this link. Or maybe it was you again. Venezuelan girls working in Colombia is not news anymore. What we need is a club or casa full of them. The only club in Colombia that I seen full of them was in Santa Marta, but I am sure border cities like Cucuta are full of them also. I actually went to Cucuta for a couple days and I didn't have any luck with the area that I went to because I went too early. Lots or bars and restaurants here Venezuelans people. They will work long and hard for very low pay, so restaurants love to hire them. I was talking to an English speaking restaurant owner in Laureles and he said next door had 4 of them. And across the street has 2. A very small bar I know owned by an American hires a nice looking Venezuelan girl as the bar tender. There are all up and in Parque Lleras also. If you can speak good Spanish maybe you can ask them on a date and see where that goes. Oh, and in Bello, I went to party up there and the club knew to send the English speak Venezuelan guy to serve me.[/QUOTE]I was in Cucuta, it is such a shit city haha. THere is like literally nothing to do and a dog walking in the streets and near the resturuants. Total crazy weird cliche colombian bordertown. I was there only to fuck this one girl I have been talking with for sometime that I met on CC. She is not a pro or a semi or anyhting like that. Just a regular girl. She has a pretty face. But after I nutted I couldn't wait to leave that place. It really is an aweful city. I am aware of the VNZ there. Just go to the bodytech and you see them all working out. Total VNZ sluts!

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2065651]I was in Cucuta, it is such a shit city haha. THere is like literally nothing to do and a dog walking in the streets and near the restaurants. Total crazy weird cliche colombian bordertown. I was there only to fuck this one girl I have been talking with for sometime that I met on CC. She is not a pro or a semi or anything like that. Just a regular girl. She has a pretty face. But after I nutted I couldn't wait to leave that place. It really is an aweful city. I am aware of the VNZ there. Just go to the bodytech and you see them all working out. Total VNZ sluts![/QUOTE]Some girls I have met have sometimes mentioned they leave Medellin to work in some not so far pueblos and hang out at bars. A few times I heard mention of a gold mining town that apparently has a comparatively wealthy clientele. Anyone have a guess which pueblos might be some of the better ones?

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2066022]Some girls I have met have sometimes mentioned they leave Medellin to work in some not so far pueblos and hang out at bars. A few times I heard mention of a gold mining town that apparently has a comparatively wealthy clientele. Anyone have a guess which pueblos might be some of the better ones?[/QUOTE]I think it is far away, but there is a video on YouTube about gold mines in Antioquia, Colombia. [URL]https://youtu.be/z_KAOD6IZmE[/URL] They talk about erection problems because they are using Mercury to extract the gold. It's a pretty interesting video.

[QUOTE=Nektar;2065630]I agree. I've been going to Colombia for the past ten years. The general situation remains oversupply of girls to clients. For every naive gringo who overpays a girl terribly there are 25 locals that want to give the girl 30 mil pesos for a session. So a girl will take minimal money, as long as you show you will not overspend. Colombians have their class systems just like any country, so very poor girls are forced to sell themselves to their own class. So yes, a beautiful girl can be found anywhere in Colombia in any class or barrio. But like its been said a million times, one has to search a bit for one. Go to all mall in America or Germany or whatever, most women are normal looking and not the dream girls we chase. So its no different. Diamonds don't grow on trees in any part of the world.[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with gringo's overpaying poor working girls. A much needed transfer of wealth, albeit small.

Friday afternoon met up with a friend for my first planned casa run. Selected Aiffe and on the way the cabbie said he knew the best place and offered to take us there. He pointed it out as we passed by, before dropping us at Aiffe (Calle 57 #43-27). Lineup was mostly mediocre. Some good bodies, but nothing much in the faces. Only the Last 2 who came out looked doable. We said thanks and walked out.

Went around the block to the taxis recommendation and headed up the stairs. Turned out to be New Life (Calle 56 #43-39). I hadn't studied the map, just pulled up one address. New Life was much better. About twice as many in the lineup and several excellent choices. Close to 15 available and I'm sure several were busy. Hardest part about making a choice was remembering the names.

Picked a curvy spinner and headed up stairs. As has been mentioned, the upstairs rooms can be hot, although wasn't too bad. Room was clean girl performed with a reasonable amount of enthusiasm. I was happy with the result. My friend reported his was also very good. On the way out spotted a few New girls that looked incredible.

Prices (if I remember) 35 k - 15 m, 50 k - 30 m, 65 k - 45 m, 80 k - 60 m. Price list says 4 k for beer, 2 k for water.

We seemed to be the only gringos there, with lots of Colombians keeping the place busy.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2035192]Airbnb is full of them. Look for ones without a doorman and / or are run by a business. There's at least two companies that rent out apartments in Colombia and they have a bunch around parque lleras. I hope you like noise, though.[/QUOTE]In the last few months a lot of Airbnb and short term rentals have been closed down. The short term rentals need to be in approved buildings. And the Airbnb places need to register with the government. In a monger owned building I know, the rentals have been shut down until the owners get licensed. You might not see as many Airbnb places as you used to.

Yep, hotel operators are fed up with paying taxes, government fees, insurance and advertising only to be squeezed out by airbnb providers who undersell because they pay none of that. Airbnb will be back in full force but prices will go up.

[QUOTE=Gagoo;2066422]In the last few months a lot of Airbnb and short term rentals have been closed down. The short term rentals need to be in approved buildings. And the Airbnb places need to register with the government. In a monger owned building I know, the rentals have been shut down until the owners get licensed. You might not see as many Airbnb places as you used to.[/QUOTE]

Hi Guys,

Am a single traveller to Medellin between August 24-September 7 next month.

As we all know, single mongering can get a littler tiring.

So folks, if in town on same dates, do drop a PM.

We could be a team.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2066434]Yep, hotel operators are fed up with paying taxes, government fees, insurance and advertising only to be squeezed out by airbnb providers who undersell because they pay none of that. Airbnb will be back in full force but prices will go up.[/QUOTE]In Thailand it is the people that live permanently in the condos that complain about all the party noise and in and out with hookers from air bnbers. The govt had made a rule that unless a person is staying at least 25 days then you could not rent out a place to them. I think that lasted all of 2 days because I have not heard anything else about it. Many people buy those condos only to rent them out. Air bnb and Uber have really shaken things up in the hospitality / transportation industry.

P. S. Air bnb does not offer the same amenities as a hotel, so hotel operators should not have shit to say. There is not even a thin line between renting a hotel room and a condo.

Picked up two out of three here in Centro around 930 p. One for me and one for my buddy. After getting back to my place in Centro we decided to switch girls. I liked his but we were running out of marching powder so around 1 am we stepped out and into a taxi to refuel. One street off of Oriental while waiting at a light, we see the cutie on the left loitering on the sidewalk and invite her to join us. She obliges and my chica talks up a storm about how good of a guy I am, etc.

Get our supplies for 8 k a gram, give the guy 50 k and tell him to keep the 5 k tip. Taxi there and back runs us 10 k.

Back at my place we get to the room and the fun begins. Offer both some propina for extra lesbo action and as much no holds barred as my imagination will allow. They are up for it and we have a great time. About an hour my first girl who was with my buddy strolls in and says they weren't doing anything because he was tired. She joins in on our fun and we all rock out till about 9 a. Total damage for the girls was about 500 k. They loved the sexy outfits I brought for them. And the dildo too.

[QUOTE=RedHotMyGirl;2066573]Hi Guys, Am a single traveller to Medellin between August 24-September 7 next month. As we all know, single mongering can get a littler tiring. So folks, if in town on same dates, do drop a PM. We could be a team.[/QUOTE]I'll be in MDE from 8/28 till 9/3 in Pablado. Will have details about apt by tomorrow. Mine is a fact finding mission but a pias or two won't hurt!. Could have a beer or two during that time.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;2066864]I'll be in MDE from 8/28 till 9/3 in Pablado. Will have details about apt by tomorrow. Mine is a fact finding mission but a pias or two won't hurt!. Could have a beer or two during that time.[/QUOTE]Sure mate, look forward to.

I can see where the full time condo residents are coming from. After all, who would want to live next door to a never ending hooker and monger parade with its associated noise and petty crime?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2066678]In Thailand it is the people that live permanently in the condos that complain about all the party noise and in and out with hookers from air bnbers. The govt had made a rule that unless a person is staying at least 25 days then you could not rent out a place to them. I think that lasted all of 2 days because I have not heard anything else about it. Many people buy those condos only to rent them out. Air bnb and Uber have really shaken things up in the hospitality / transportation industry.

P. S. Air bnb does not offer the same amenities as a hotel, so hotel operators should not have shit to say. There is not even a thin line between renting a hotel room and a condo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2066950]I can see where the full time condo residents are coming from. After all, who would want to live next door to a never ending hooker and monger parade with its associated noise and petty crime?[/QUOTE]I know some owners in various buildings. Some building are just small places with no security. That is a good place for a monger. Most of the decent sized buildings here have security. It seems like some of the security companies almost make their own rules. The place I am in right now is are very aware of everything. They started saying my name every time I come or go starting from day one. And they have lots of rules posted in the elevator. They do have so called owners meetings though. In the monger building I know they also have owner meetings to make their own rules. I'm sure most of the regular buildings that have been around for awhile don't want people coming and going all the time. A lot of the new and legal Airbnb places here seem to be very new buildings of which must have had the rules set so they could have short term rentals. I think about half of the Airbnb places I used to stay at here in Medellin aren't able to rent right now.

[QUOTE=RedHotMyGirl;2066909]Sure mate, look forward to.[/QUOTE]Hi both,

I just booked a trip down to MDE. Will be there 30 Aug til 3 Sept. I'm mongering solo, so would dig meeting up over a beer and maybe hitting up a casa or two.

I've been on this board before, can't remember my old username login. But just saying I'm not quite a noob. But not quite a pro. Second time to MDE.

Hit me up? I'm staying at the Hotel M (aka Mansion) on the first night. But have to move to either Art Hotel or one of the Hotel Daans because mansion is booked up. (first time at the mansion for me. Bummer I couldn't score one of the rooms with the hot tub!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Bonhead;2066795]Picked up two out of three here in Centro around 930 p. One for me and one for my buddy. After getting back to my place in Centro we decided to switch girls. I liked his but we were running out of marching powder so around 1 am we stepped out and into a taxi to refuel. One street off of Oriental while waiting at a light, we see the cutie on the left loitering on the sidewalk and invite her to join us. She obliges and my chica talks up a storm about how good of a guy I am, etc.

Get our supplies for 8 k a gram, give the guy 50 k and tell him to keep the 5 k tip. Taxi there and back runs us 10 k.

Back at my place we get to the room and the fun begins. Offer both some propina for extra lesbo action and as much no holds barred as my imagination will allow. They are up for it and we have a great time. About an hour my first girl who was with my buddy strolls in and says they weren't doing anything because he was tired. She joins in on our fun and we all rock out till about 9 a. Total damage for the girls was about 500 k. They loved the sexy outfits I brought for them. And the dildo too.[/QUOTE]That is an incredible story -sounds super fun. I don't mess around much at all, but did when early 20's. But last year in Madrid I had a similar story (but with one girl). It was a hotel out in an industrial area part of town, attached nightclub. Lots of Romanians. Anyway, I loved that I took the girl to the room. And she was like hey do you need any (marching powder). My girl has some just down the hall. I gave her some cash she came back with a bundle, we shared for the next few hours. And she even gave me the leftovers. Anyway, although super fun. Incredibly risky on my part I suppose. But there's a side of me that wants similar in Colombia. Got any tips, advice?

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2045996]Landed 6 pm Fri:

1st girl a Venz chick at Barre Excetiva Fri night while waiting for Fase Dos to open. 90 k. Forgot her name, no pics, hot bod, OK time but too hot when the club is packed.

2nd girl a stunning plastic blonde at Fase Dos, named Allison, no pics, 190 k, really hot and fun.

Sat:

AM: Vera Cruz Redlight block pickup, cutie spinner with colored headband-30 k.

PM, hook up with my sweetie Tanya from Conejitas from last time, 300 k per 12 HR-black hair / sunglasses / soda in pic-went to her bar to score for my wingman then Parque Boston for drinks & fun-TLN.

Sun AM-Tanya & her buddy up to Parque Arvi, lunch, boating, pics, food, smoke..[/QUOTE]Do you have contact info for the girl with blond streaks?

[QUOTE=Drew9876;2068383]Do you have contact info for the girl with blond streaks?[/QUOTE]I did have her WhatsApp contact and we were chatting daily till about 2 weeks ago when she went dark, I suspect she lost her phone and contacts as she was excited I was coming back down next month.

I ran into her 2 days in a row in the same block, behind Iglesia VeraCruz-the old white church just SW of Botero Park, on the other side of the street at the and end. (SW corner of Calle 52 & Carrera 53) She goes by Sara.

You can see when / where I met her in this vid here: (G rated).

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593d7efb11739[/URL]

She has some cool tattoos too:

[QUOTE=Drew9876;2068383]Do you have contact info for the girl with blond streaks?[/QUOTE]Looking at Google Street view I'd say she works out of Hotel Dinastia, which is 2 doors to the left of Drogueria Moderna, Carr 53 #51-57.

[QUOTE=Bonhead;2066795]Picked up two out of three here in Centro around 930 p. One for me and one for my buddy. After getting back to my place in Centro we decided to switch girls. I liked his but we were running out of marching powder so around 1 am we stepped out and into a taxi to refuel. One street off of Oriental while waiting at a light, we see the cutie on the left loitering on the sidewalk and invite her to join us. She obliges and my chica talks up a storm about how good of a guy I am, etc.

Get our supplies for 8 k a gram, give the guy 50 k and tell him to keep the 5 k tip. Taxi there and back runs us 10 k.

Back at my place we get to the room and the fun begins. Offer both some propina for extra lesbo action and as much no holds barred as my imagination will allow. They are up for it and we have a great time. About an hour my first girl who was with my buddy strolls in and says they weren't doing anything because he was tired. She joins in on our fun and we all rock out till about 9 a. Total damage for the girls was about 500 k. They loved the sexy outfits I brought for them. And the dildo too.[/QUOTE]Be very careful with that stuff. They are cracking down on the powder there. Carry only less than 1 g each (personal use) and be prepared to pay a "large fine" at a check point if caught. I know a guy that had to talk his way out of being hauled to an immigration jail and coughed up a large sum- for having 420 on him!

[QUOTE=Bonhead;2066795]Picked up two out of three here in Centro around 930 p. One for me and one for my buddy. After getting back to my place in Centro we decided to switch girls. I liked his but we were running out of marching powder so around 1 am we stepped out and into a taxi to refuel. One street off of Oriental while waiting at a light, we see the cutie on the left loitering on the sidewalk and invite her to join us. She obliges and my chica talks up a storm about how good of a guy I am, etc.

Get our supplies for 8 k a gram, give the guy 50 k and tell him to keep the 5 k tip. Taxi there and back runs us 10 k.

Back at my place we get to the room and the fun begins. Offer both some propina for extra lesbo action and as much no holds barred as my imagination will allow. They are up for it and we have a great time. About an hour my first girl who was with my buddy strolls in and says they weren't doing anything because he was tired. She joins in on our fun and we all rock out till about 9 a. Total damage for the girls was about 500 k. They loved the sexy outfits I brought for them. And the dildo too.[/QUOTE]Sounds like your buddy is a real jerk. Tired in Mde I can't believe it. You need some new friends. 😜.

[QUOTE=JoseLima;2068630]Sounds like your buddy is a real jerk. Tired in Mde I can't believe it. You need some new friends. 😜.[/QUOTE]He got to fuck his buddies chick. So how is that being a jerk? If I got to fuck my buddies girl and got a threesome I would call my buddy a fool, sucker, loser, newbie, or a chump. But I wouldn't call him a jerk.

[QUOTE=Drew9876;2068383]Do you have contact info for the girl with blond streaks?[/QUOTE]Thanks wolf!

Good news for the Venezuelans and Cuban in Colombia that are here illegally overstaying their visas received this new order by the Colombian government. They will allow them 2 more years in the country and to work legally. Colombia just got even a whole lot better for us! Yes!

Men please leave those subjects out of our great forum, we are here for the beautiful women of this city,.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2065614]How many times had you been to Centro the first time you went?

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]On my 2nd trip out there, sorry for the late reply.

[QUOTE=ElBacano;2069304]Men please leave those subjects out of our great forum, we are here for the beautiful women of this city,.[/QUOTE]I agree with Bacano!

I wish we'd keep it to women and ATM fees only, LOL.

[QUOTE=ElBacanoIamgay;2069304]Men please leave those subjects out of our great forum, we are here for the beautiful women of this city,.[/QUOTE]Just like you should not be here with your lifestyle.

[QUOTE=ElBacano;2069310]On my 2nd trip out there, sorry for the late reply.[/QUOTE]I was kinda guffing you, for saying don't go to Centro if you haven't been there before. Or centro isn't for newbies. Anyway, I meant, how many times had you been to Centro before the first time you went to Centro? Like if we've never been there, we can't go because we haven't been there before. Anyway, all good. Thanks for your reports.

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=DrMcNaughty;2069202]Good news for the Venezuelans and Cuban in Colombia that are here illegally overstaying their visas received this new order by the Colombian government. They will allow them 2 more years in the country and to work legally. Colombia just got even a whole lot better for us! Yes![/QUOTE]I have 2 , actually had, or have, 2 Perfect 10's, or +9's, that with $ signs in their eyes wanted to marry to come here to Scandinavia and work legally and make, as an independent, today's exchange rate close to 1,2 million pesos per client.

They are both 30 yo old and can go on for 5-15 years depending on; plastic surgery (development of), Cross-fit, overall knowable and social skills as an escort.

My local Princesa is 44. She looks like 33, tops, maybe even under 30. Of course she is imported from Ukraine. I met her at the gym often and, well, she is very very polite and charming, but must of course have a rich guy supporting her in someway. A Princess does know her value, we guys at the gym can just adore her.

1-2 even 3 years of visits here, and I in Medellin, then I will have her confidence? On the other hand, Modelo de Protocolo, divine babe Emily, said instantly after my proposal "Casamos y Vamos" (Let's get Married and GO! But my $$ was and are on low, and she has a son, 12 yo. My form where at it's best, then came a downhill battle, than I have recovered from by working-out 24/7, until I get sick, and then start all over again. Until my Painkillers does not affect my "Verga" or my simple low-prestige, but in the end well paid work, for very little actual "real work".

While bring a Prepago here, I take no $$$ of her earnings, more than that she, sharing our living expenses fairly, and give me super-sex, which was I got of her in Medellin. The most amazing sex ever. She reminds very much of Lela Star.

The problem and opportunity; she is used to get good money for sex, while planning the whole operation is done by the man. Which is good but of course but very frustrating. Since it's a game for her! These girls / women are so used that the man takes care of everything, so the only thing they have to do is to how to figure out how to swindle him. And in the most charming way. I have had my personal Stalingrad, Waterloo and Pearl Harbor. And Kursk and Dunkirk. Heavy losses, disasters, alongside many unforgettable easy victories.

Then, when established here in our Nordic superexpensive countries. Overall cost of living- she can bring in her friends on tourist visas. 3 months. 3 of them. And I have have 4 bunnies to play with. Period!

And when going to my beloved Medellin, I have her and her bunnies for free there.

A dream, impossible to accomplish since Paisas, as all Latin girls / women are so full of hot blood, that they instantly try to become independent of each man having control over them, even if make the whole enterprise fall apart.

I'm sure though, that 100th's if not 1000th's are doing this in the US, Canada, Europe, Russia, China. The husband gives them legal status. And after a period of, 2-5 years, they are fully integrated in those country's legal, social system.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;2069597]I have 2 , actually had, or have, 2 Perfect 10's, or +9's, that with $ signs in their eyes wanted to marry to come here to Scandinavia and work legally and make, as an independent, today's exchange rate close to 1,2 million pesos per client.

They are both 30 yo old and can go on for 5-15 years depending on; plastic surgery (development of), Cross-fit, overall knowable and social skills as an escort.

My local Princesa is 44. She looks like 33, tops, maybe even under 30. Of course she is imported from Ukraine. I met her at the gym often and, well, she is very very polite and charming, but must of course have a rich guy supporting her in someway. A Princess does know her value, we guys at the gym can just adore her.

1-2 even 3 years of visits here, and I in Medellin, then I will have her confidence? On the other hand, Modelo de Protocolo, divine babe Emily, said instantly after my proposal "Casamos y Vamos" (Let's get Married and GO! But my $$ was and are on low, and she has a son, 12 yo. My form where at it's best, then came a downhill battle, than I have recovered from by working-out 24/7, until I get sick, and then start all over again. Until my Painkillers does not affect my "Verga" or my simple low-prestige, but in the end well paid work, for very little actual "real work".

While bring a Prepago here, I take no $$$ of her earnings, more than that she, sharing our living expenses fairly, and give me super-sex, which was I got of her in Medellin. The most amazing sex ever. She reminds very much of Lela Star..[/QUOTE]Jack, you hittin those cigarros mágicos again? LOL.

Just kidding, great post!

Not sure what it was about though, LOL.

Way overdue report, regarding my virgin trip to Medellin.

First, I read / studied / memorized the forum posts here, so had some good info to work with. Thanks to all. As I mentioned, after suffering through and then being cured from a terrible affliction I had for 17 years, known as 'terminal marriage,' I was definitely looking forward to this trip.

I had some foundation of Spanish and worked at improving in the months leading up to trip, and that paid off big time and ended up being a huge benefit for me, in terms of enjoying my experience.

I starting identifying and then contacting chicas online (Cupid), and that worked out beautifully. Based on suggestions, I lined up an A team and a be team. The A team worked out, so actually was not able to meet all the girls I conversed with online.

Flew in from FTL, on Spirit. Breezed through customs in Medellin, and took car service to my rental apartment in Envigado. I had arranged to meet one of my online chicas that evening, and sure as hell she showed up, on time, in a taxi in front of my place. I paid for the taxi and we walked to a restaurant nearby and had a nice dinner. She looked as good as pics, dressed up, made up, looking sexy. Things were a bit awkward as first until I started to hit my stride with my Spanish. I wasn't sure what to expect, as this felt more like a true first date. I asked her to come back to my place, as I had a gift for her (couple of $5 items from the sales rack at Victoria's Secret). She agreed, we went up, and within 10 minutes it was game on. Had a great session with her, she stayed about 2 hours. When we were done, I actually did not give her any $ (in retrospect I should have). I did end up meeting up with her two days later, and took her to the mall and spent about $130 US on her. I did get another awesome sex session with her that afternoon, so I guess monetarily it evened out. She actually invited me over to her apt. For dinner the following night, but I ended up opting out as I had a buddy who was in Medellin for (legit) business and wanted to hang out with him.

The next morning, another of the online girls came over. She stopped before she had to go to school. She came right up to apt. 19 years old, petite, really cute. I pulled the same routine with her with the little gifts, and within 10 minutes clothes were flying. She was a hot and horny lady. She stayed about 90 minutes, I gave her $150 mil and she thanked me. I actually did not see her again, although I wish I would have. We are keeping in touch on Whats App.

My friend took me out to the countryside, where he has some family businesses. He let me know he had a hot date lined up for that night, so told me to find a date so we could go to dinner. I went back on line (Col. Cupid) and connected with two chicas. One a real petite cutie, said she was busy that night but could come see me that afternoon. She was more up front about $, to make sure we were on same page, no problem. We set up a time and I met her at a restaurant across from my place. She was adorable, a flaca, 25 years old, dressed very nicely. We went right upstairs, I pulled the next bag of little gifts, that technique was a winner. Ended up having a wonderful session with her. She stayed about 2 hours. I gave her $200 mil. I was so impressed with her, I had her come over the next day, in the afternoon, and we had another awesome session. We got cleaned up and I took her to lunch nearby. After that we went back to the apartment, and went another round! She seemed in no hurry to leave, we showered together then hung out and talked for quite a while. I again gave her $200 mil before she left.

Funny thing is, this chica was my favorite, and seemed so sweet, but turned out to be a jugador. No sooner did I get back home to US, but she starts texting me and hitting me up for money (my electricity is getting cut off, I'm in the hospital, my daughter is sick). So she burst the bubble on my little deluded fantasy ('wow this gal really likes me! LOL.

I tried to meet up with the other chica that night, from online, but didn't work out. Instead I ended up at a nice strip club (Fase Dos? About 11 pm. Many hot chicas, from probably 7's to 9.5's. I talked to a couple of fellow gringos, and after some time (too much time) and ended up connecting with a kind of sweet looking 27 year old. I checked her out, (that took forever) went next door and had a very high value session with her. I think is was $190 mil to the cashier to check her out, and I tipped her $40 mil. Some of those chicas in there could make a small fortune at the right strip club in the USA, just dancing and giving lap dances. Gorgeous women, and incredible pole dancing.

So in 5 days there, I had 6 great sessions with 4 different chicas. Every session was true GFE type experience. My trip was not all sex conquests as I had some time hanging out with my buddy down there, and got to see the countryside and some local sites.

Regarding chicas, the online approach worked out awesome. I would definitely do the strip club again, and like to experience a good casa. I'm not a street scene type of guy.

Planning my next trip in September!

[QUOTE=ChikSika;2006743]Gents,

I'm all booked for a visit to Medellin 3/30, for 5 nights. Post divorce present to myself. I used to spend a lot of time in South America for work (many years ago, in a much more naive and less devious frame of mind). I also speak OK Spanish.

I plan to meet up with a couple ladies I've connected with on Col Cupid (actually, I'm corresponding with several, but not enough time!) A couple seem like regular girls or semi-pros who (I hope) are open to fun with a cool gringo; a couple others seem like veterans. I'll get more direct to the point on our Whatsapp and Facebook conversations before my trip. I don't mind some wining and dining, but there needs to be some sexy time too.

I'd also like to try out a couple of the strip clubs and the night club scene. Not sure if I'll hit the 'spas' but a possibility.

Staying in an apartment in Envigado. Want to experience more local flavor, while still being close enough to the action. Hopefully I planned that part right.

Anyone going to be in Medellin at the same time, I'd be happy to meet up!

C.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Balboa;2069612]Jack, you hittin those cigarros mgicos again? LOL.

Just kidding, great post!

Not sure what it was about though, LOL.[/QUOTE]I think it's something a little harder, if I understand. I'll try a translation.

He's talking about marrying a Colombian prepago, taking her back to Scandinavia, getting her legal residence status and then pimping her out at the local rates. He then gets to have sex with her for free and she will pay her share of living expenses. As a bonus, she will bring friends on tourist visas to also work at the local rates and he gets to have all the free sex wants with all of them.

Wouldn't that be great? At least it's a great dream. Here's the reality:

1. She gets to his country and has no desire to work and certainly isn't going to help pay his bills. The sex will be great, then good, then okay, then never. She'll either want frequent return trips to Colombia, or want frequent trips for her family to come and visit. If any prepago friends come to visit it will be at his expense and they'll either be off limits or charging the high end of local rates. In less than two years she'll be headed back to Colombia and he will be a lot poorer.

2. She marries him, comes with him and works. She might agree to give him a cut, to pay some of the expenses, but she'll also expect him to pay for her services. He might get a discount. If any friends come over to work they'll either be off limits or will charge local rates. She'll expect him to pay for her family to visit several times per year, when She won't work or pay bills and will expect royal treatment for them. She'll be back in Colombia in 2 years and he will be a lot poorer.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2069722]I think it's something a little harder, if I understand. I'll try a translation.

He's talking about marrying a Colombian prepago, taking her back to Scandinavia, getting her legal residence status and then pimping her out at the local rates. He then gets to have sex with her for free and she will pay her share of living expenses. As a bonus, she will bring friends on tourist visas to also work at the local rates and he gets to have all the free sex wants with all of them.[/QUOTE]Great translation, thanks!

I'll avoid all that drama and bankruptcy, and just stay in Colombia, LOL.

I wrote again that she must be married to me for maybe 3 years before she get permanent residence. And during that time she must study, even if a part of it is done via Internet, that option exist.

If she get's complicated, I'll just divorce and she have to leave back to Colombia. So can't be that cocky as she is used to in Colombia. Besides, every period away from Scandinavia, prolongs the time she can get her permanent visa, and it can lead to irritation and a finally NO from the Migration's Office.

Bringing her equally hot friends on tourist-visa demands planning and patience. My wife will charge them a %, not me.

She is high class. She would do overnight stays only in 4/5 star hotels. Short-term is a dead end since cities here re very small, like Marinilla with 20.000.

Copenhagen is just 30 minutes away with 2,4 million people. More competition, but also a lot of businessmen at hand.

I wrote my post last night and I also wrote to her, and did not expect a reply. But since she has been to Spain and Romania this summer, she was eager to come to Europe NOW!

I asked if she was working there during her holiday. No, just a first visit to Europe. Hmmm. Since she is superhot she was of course invited by a guy that know her from Medellin, and then they went to Romania. (The problem here in normal countries, is that enhanced lips, breasts, botox, ass-enhancement are normal in Medellin but here the culture is prudent to a fault, except for the short summer, when hormones becomes stronger than both the law and norms. We take a vacation from our strict moral codes.

IQ. Yeah! She think $$ but have no clue that she already spent maybe 30-40 days of her 90 yearly in the Schengen-area. I asked her about it, and she she replied " 90 days sounds good". Jesus Help Me!

She does not even get / have such basic knowledge.

Due to the supply / demand factor I can easily replace her, since she are the one having smoking those magical cigarllios. For many years.

For reasons unknown, she wanted to come here NOW! Which draws me to the conclusion that she has been here as an "acompanate de luxe", and can use me as a bridgehead to get permanent visa. But even this fundamental detail she ignores, it has to be now (addicted).

I take a risk. But she even more, she must have her Visa, cedula, etc. In 100% order. If not, she will be expelled and not worth another try.

The problem is not then to get her here and she makes good money and I get what I want. It's that she pays no attention to rules, laws, like they don't exist! And are not interested in paying any attention on how it works.

Back in 2008, a girl from BAQ got it very clearly; she took contact with the embassy in Bogota, learned all laws, rules. And she was 21!

Not a 27/+30 prepago having escaped reality for 10-15 years. She is used to have a boss that puts her in an apartment in Poblado or Laureles 8 to 24 HR 5-6 days a week, in periods for 1-3 months. Or she has become independent and can manage that herself.

I told her that in Scandinavia she earns 10 times more working at Exito, than in Colombia. Which is more than she makes as a prepago in Medellin, all expenses included! And that is just a first time job to start with.

She said "ok", but meant; I don't work.

I think I will have a serious Skype conversation with her today. And look at Latineuro, a very underestimated site. A girl who never have been in touch with the prepago-world, would consider 5-7 million COP / month a Superdeal, and combine that with study language. And being younger, with an open mind and happy spirit! That is way better, but of course boring in the end.

My Super-prepagos would / will cause a lot of problems. It's just amazing, the thought, how much they could make and at the same time giving me awesome sex, her friends visiting etc.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;2069807]I wrote again that she must be married to me for maybe 3 years before she get permanent residence. And during that time she must study, even if a part of it is done via Internet, that option exist.

If she get's complicated, I'll just divorce and she have to leave back to Colombia. So can't be that cocky as she is used to in Colombia. Besides, every period away from Scandinavia, prolongs the time she can get her permanent visa, and it can lead to irritation and a finally NO from the Migration's Office.

Bringing her equally hot friends on tourist-visa demands planning and patience. My wife will charge them a %, not me.

She is high class. She would do overnight stays only in 4/5 star hotels. Short-term is a dead end since cities here re very small, like Marinilla with 20.000.

Copenhagen is just 30 minutes away with 2,4 million people. More competition, but also a lot of businessmen at hand.

I wrote my post last night and I also wrote to her, and did not expect a reply. But since she has been to Spain and Romania this summer, she was eager to come to Europe NOW!

I asked if she was working there during her holiday. No, just a first visit to Europe. Hmmm. Since she is superhot she was of course invited by a guy that know her from Medellin, and then they went to Romania. (The problem here in normal countries, is that enhanced lips, breasts, botox, ass-enhancement are normal in Medellin but here the culture is prudent to a fault, except for the short summer, when hormones becomes stronger than both the law and norms. We take a vacation from our strict moral codes.

IQ. Yeah! She think $$ but have no clue that she already spent maybe 30-40 days of her 90 yearly in the Schengen-area. I asked her about it, and she she replied " 90 days sounds good". Jesus Help Me!

She does not even get / have such basic knowledge.

Due to the supply / demand factor I can easily replace her, since she are the one having smoking those magical cigarllios. For many years.

For reasons unknown, she wanted to come here NOW! Which draws me to the conclusion that she has been here as an "acompanate de luxe", and can use me as a bridgehead to get permanent visa. But even this fundamental detail she ignores, it has to be now (addicted).

I take a risk. But she even more, she must have her Visa, cedula, etc. In 100% order. If not, she will be expelled and not worth another try.

The problem is not then to get her here and she makes good money and I get what I want. It's that she pays no attention to rules, laws, like they don't exist! And are not interested in paying any attention on how it works.

Back in 2008, a girl from BAQ got it very clearly; she took contact with the embassy in Bogota, learned all laws, rules. And she was 21!

Not a 27/+30 prepago having escaped reality for 10-15 years. She is used to have a boss that puts her in an apartment in Poblado or Laureles 8 to 24 HR 5-6 days a week, in periods for 1-3 months. Or she has become independent and can manage that herself.

I told her that in Scandinavia she earns 10 times more working at Exito, than in Colombia. Which is more than she makes as a prepago in Medellin, all expenses included! And that is just a first time job to start with.

She said "ok", but meant; I don't work.

I think I will have a serious Skype conversation with her today. And look at Latineuro, a very underestimated site. A girl who never have been in touch with the prepago-world, would consider 5-7 million COP / month a Superdeal, and combine that with study language. And being younger, with an open mind and happy spirit! That is way better, but of course boring in the end.

My Super-prepagos would / will cause a lot of problems. It's just amazing, the thought, how much they could make and at the same time giving me awesome sex, her friends visiting etc.[/QUOTE]I'm wondering if you have ever met a woman. A woman thinks differently than a prepago who only has to be around while you are paying her.

A woman has goals. If that woman is a prepago, and agrees to something like that, her goal is money. You are only a tool that she can use to get that money. Especially if you are sending her to university, she will meet other tools and learn how to get more out of the tool she already has. If she gets sent back to Colombia, big deal. There's plenty of other tools who will buy a plane ticket.

There are people who do what you want. They are called pimps. They succeed because they behave like pimps. They control the girls, physically and emotionally, and send them back to wherever they found them if the girl doesn't produce. They don't marry them, or pay to educate them. To them the women are the tools.

If you have awesome sex with a prepago, it's because she is a prepago who wants to get your money. If she performs, she gets more of your money. That awesome sex does not last, when you are no longer paying her.

Pardon me, but you have this completely wrong. The prepago has nothing to lose. Her worst case is that she goes back to Colombia. She knows she is going back to Colombia. She might just go back sooner than she wants. She is thinking, if you bring her there, you will pay her and now she knows how much she expects you to pay her.

She will pay to bring her super hot friends over? No. She won't. You will pay. Every step of your dream, you will pay. You will pay, pay, pay and in the end you'll realize you did something incredibly stupid.

If you want to marry a super hot Colombian, find an estrato 5 or 6 girl, win over her family. Treat her nice, give her gifts, give little gifts to her mother, have long talks with her father. Convince them you can provide a great life for their daughter. Marry her, take her home and always treat her like a wife.

If you want to pimp Colombian girls in Scandinavia, start picking estrato 1 and 2 girls. Lie to them. Tell them they will make a lot of money. Choose one who you can dominate. Take her back and act like a pimp. Bring the others over on tourist visas. If they work hard and make good money, you bring them back each year.

You can't marry a prepago, have her still work as a prepago and expect her to treat you like a husband, and then expect her to bring her friends over so they can all treat you like a customer. You are either a husband, a customer or a pimp. You can't be all 3 at the same time.

You are ignoring the elephant in the room. The Flying Farang danger. As the poster below says, you are a tool. Once the tool no longer works, it gets thrown away. In Thailand, bar girls are very practical. They marry their rich foreign boyfriend "Farang" then once they find out what property he has, there is a big party in a high rise hotel or condo with lots of drinking, then the Farang "falls" or flies from the balcony. Leaving the grieving bargirl with inheriting all his money and house! Drink up, you need to start flapping your arms and working on your "flying" skills now!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2069885]I'm wondering if you have ever met a woman. A woman thinks differently than a prepago who only has to be around while you are paying her.

A woman has goals. If that woman is a prepago, and agrees to something like that, her goal is money. You are only a tool that she can use to get that money. Especially if you are sending her to university, she will meet other tools and learn how to get more out of the tool she already has. If she gets sent back to Colombia, big deal. There's plenty of other tools who will buy a plane ticket.

There are people who do what you want. They are called pimps. They succeed because they behave like pimps. They control the girls, physically and emotionally, and send them back to wherever they found them if the girl doesn't produce. They don't marry them, or pay to educate them. To them the women are the tools.

If you have awesome sex with a prepago, it's because she is a prepago who wants to get your money. If she performs, she gets more of your money. That awesome sex does not last, when you are no longer paying her.

Pardon me, but you have this completely wrong. The prepago has nothing to lose. Her worst case is that she goes back to Colombia. She knows she is going back to Colombia. She might just go back sooner than she wants. She is thinking, if you bring her there, you will pay her and now she knows how much she expects you to pay her..[/QUOTE]

In my opinion, the keys to successful lasting cooperation is that (1) all parties must have something invested. If one has nothing invested, (money, sweat, time) and if it's all just good times and parties, they have no motivation to continue once the party is over. I meet a lot of guys visiting Colombia. A lot! From all walks of life. The happiest ones know it's a vacation and about fun. The mistake is thinking the party is reality and that they can make it last forever. When it comes to working girls, unless you are prepared to take care of someone, like a lease on a car for life! (2) You need to find real genuine connections with people in order for a successful long term relationship. As tis written.... you can take the girl out of the street but you cant take the street out of the girl. (sometimes that can be a good thing i guess)

[QUOTE=Travv;2069889]You are ignoring the elephant in the room. The Flying Farang danger. As the poster below says, you are a tool. Once the tool no longer works, it gets thrown away. In Thailand, bar girls are very practical. They marry their rich foreign boyfriend "Farang" then once they find out what property he has, there is a big party in a high rise hotel or condo with lots of drinking, then the Farang "falls" or flies from the balcony. Leaving the grieving bargirl with inheriting all his money and house! Drink up, you need to start flapping your arms and working on your "flying" skills now![/QUOTE]

You guys say some truth, but overstate the negative sides of of it. If all girls in Medellin had been Guapas, all had been prepagos. The Top Notch prepagos I focus on are experienced and know that once expelled from European Union, she is expelled for years, being a hot Colombian, I would say . for Life! The Flying Farang, a myth. He may marry a bar-girl, but put in a lot of restrictions into it. Like that his native US / Euro family get's all his assets, the bar-girl gets nada!

You must understand; the majority of the female student at the private Universities in Medellin, finance that with some sort of adult entertainment. If ugly, they have family, and ICETEX.

One girl from Bogota, student of "Social Communicacion", pays 6-8 million pesos per semester, how on earth does she get those kind of money?

All girls with an open mind, a family with double-moral-standards understand what is going on. The cost of the career programs are so expensive that some 30-50%, not less, get their money from; adult entertainment, money earned in places like Rio, Sanit marteen, Aruba, Miami, Las vegas, Hong Kong. , Madrid etc.

Or they can study at almost free from tuition CENA and SENSA. But that gives no net return. They work after some years in the same company as the former prepago girl with a degree from EAFIT. EAFIT girl is her boss and makes 2-3 M COP, and with opportunities and she tops at 1,5 M COP, without any opportunities.

So you can find good heart prepagos that will love you for life! And You can find a 5-6 estrato girl, already done that, been there, and she has no empathy at all.

I have had 2 serious GF 18-20 old (!) full of hormones, from Medellin and Dominican Rep. They did not care about age. They wanted a husband for life. The girl from DR was 19 and her 20yo model sister had married a Guapo gringo +50-55 yo, very good looking.. And she was already pregnant. And as her little sister, she saw me as a similar "tool". " I love you until you are 70", she said. Both are amazingly pretty girls! Guys that live in DR long-term can confirm that. Its like a white Anglo-Saxon blonde guy is a God. God and Tool! I dont mind being a tool, if I get what I want in return!

So, I thought, at 27/+30, my prepago use me as a tool, and I use her, but the point is to have 2 good incomes. Then you can afford a upper-class life. She understands that.

The major problem is becoming a Pure Tool, a Tool that only loosing money. Such a process can be stopped with heavy sanctions for the Prepago! I can work like a maniac for months and months and recover losses and get into the game -again and again , if so necessary.

The thing is loosing Medellin. Its heartbreaking for me! Sex-Prison with a girl from Medellin might have eased that pain, but , I realize, no. Medellin, or DR, or Brazil, or a new Venezuela - that is Life, our countries control the world in every aspect but the erotic one. Thats the price for a strictly focused society entering the age of narcissism.

Our Anglo-Saxon countries with bad climate and super-expensive living habits are based on sexual frustration. You can't fuck a nice prepago, but you can buy a a BMW, which is useless, it drops in value faster than a comet! While those GFE passages and moments with paisas are in your DNA!

Briffault's Law: The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

There are a few corollaries I would add:

1. Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

2. Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1).

3. A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current / future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1anu3q/briffaults_law/[/URL]

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;2069981]You guys say some truth, but overstate the negative sides of of it. If all girls in Medellin had been Guapas, all had been prepagos. The Top Notch prepagos I focus on are experienced and know that once expelled from European Union, she is expelled for years, being a hot Colombian, I would say . for Life! The Flying Farang, a myth. He may marry a bar-girl, but put in a lot of restrictions into it. Like that his native US / Euro family get's all his assets, the bar-girl gets nada!

You must understand; the majority of the female student at the private Universities in Medellin, finance that with some sort of adult entertainment. If ugly, they have family, and ICETEX.

One girl from Bogota, student of "Social Communicacion", pays 6-8 million pesos per semester, how on earth does she get those kind of money?

All girls with an open mind, a family with double-moral-standards understand what is going on. The cost of the career programs are so expensive that some 30-50%, not less, get their money from; adult entertainment, money earned in places like Rio, Sanit marteen, Aruba, Miami, Las vegas, Hong Kong. , Madrid etc.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChikSika;2069695]Way overdue report, regarding my virgin trip to Medellin.[/QUOTE]Wow. What a great virgin trip! I'm also heading out for my virgin trip, and have set up a date through ColombianCupid / WhatsApp. Working on a couple more. Hoping for ChikSika success! I noticed you hooked up with girls 19-27. Are you in your 30's or younger / older?

Guys,

Enlighten me please, why do you all bother with centro when you could just stay at Hotel M and have hot chicks IN your hotel so you don't have to look?

What are the best options in that area 7 to 10 pm? Gracias amigos.

[QUOTE=MakeMyDay;2005256]Hi,

I have a question. I think I went to the mansion. It is not on 'the map' so I went here: [URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/location.html[/URL].

It looked like a hotel with a closed door and gate around it etc. I did not ring the bell and dared to ask (my Spanish sucks, I'm getting better but still suck at it).

The thing is, it is probably so obvious for everybody that info about it is hard to find (at least I can not find much about it).

Now is this the famous Mansion and can you go there as a non hotel guest?

If yes just ring the bell? And what time? And which of the two?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]You have to stay in the hotel to enter. Girls hang out by the pool from 2 to 6 ish, then they go into the basement which is a small lounge / bar / dance floor. Girls are 200,000 pesos or 300,000 pesos for all night. There are plenty of 9's and always at least one 10.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;2069981]You guys say some truth, but overstate the negative sides of of it. If all girls in Medellin had been Guapas, all had been prepagos. The Top Notch prepagos I focus on are experienced and know that once expelled from European Union, she is expelled for years, being a hot Colombian, I would say . for Life! The Flying Farang, a myth. He may marry a bar-girl, but put in a lot of restrictions into it. Like that his native US / Euro family get's all his assets, the bar-girl gets nada!

You must understand; the majority of the female student at the private Universities in Medellin, finance that with some sort of adult entertainment. If ugly, they have family, and ICETEX.

One girl from Bogota, student of "Social Communicacion", pays 6-8 million pesos per semester, how on earth does she get those kind of money?

All girls with an open mind, a family with double-moral-standards understand what is going on. The cost of the career programs are so expensive that some 30-50%, not less, get their money from; adult entertainment, money earned in places like Rio, Sanit marteen, Aruba, Miami, Las vegas, Hong Kong. , Madrid etc.

Or they can study at almost free from tuition CENA and SENSA. But that gives no net return. They work after some years in the same company as the former prepago girl with a degree from EAFIT. EAFIT girl is her boss and makes 2-3 M COP, and with opportunities and she tops at 1,5 M COP, without any opportunities.

So you can find good heart prepagos that will love you for life! And You can find a 5-6 estrato girl, already done that, been there, and she has no empathy at all.

I have had 2 serious GF 18-20 old (!) full of hormones, from Medellin and Dominican Rep. They did not care about age. They wanted a husband for life. The girl from DR was 19 and her 20yo model sister had married a Guapo gringo +50-55 yo, very good looking.. And she was already pregnant. And as her little sister, she saw me as a similar "tool". " I love you until you are 70", she said. Both are amazingly pretty girls! Guys that live in DR long-term can confirm that. Its like a white Anglo-Saxon blonde guy is a God. God and Tool! I dont mind being a tool, if I get what I want in return!

So, I thought, at 27/+30, my prepago use me as a tool, and I use her, but the point is to have 2 good incomes. Then you can afford a upper-class life. She understands that.

The major problem is becoming a Pure Tool, a Tool that only loosing money. Such a process can be stopped with heavy sanctions for the Prepago! I can work like a maniac for months and months and recover losses and get into the game -again and again , if so necessary.

The thing is loosing Medellin. Its heartbreaking for me! Sex-Prison with a girl from Medellin might have eased that pain, but , I realize, no. Medellin, or DR, or Brazil, or a new Venezuela - that is Life, our countries control the world in every aspect but the erotic one. Thats the price for a strictly focused society entering the age of narcissism.

Our Anglo-Saxon countries with bad climate and super-expensive living habits are based on sexual frustration. You can't fuck a nice prepago, but you can buy a a BMW, which is useless, it drops in value faster than a comet! While those GFE passages and moments with paisas are in your DNA![/QUOTE]What you are talking about can be summed up as: You share with her by providing a house and access to a place where she can make more money, working as a prepago. She shares with you by helping to pay for the house, working as a prepago for free with you and sharing her earnings as a prepago with you.

1. You are already paying to live in your country. Her living there will not double the cost. So you are getting a benefit, while she is paying to be there.

2. Any time having sex with you, you are getting a benefit and she is losing money by not being with a paying customer.

3. If she pays to bring friends over, you are again, getting a free benefit, while they are all losing money by not being with paying customers. In addition, she has to worry you will replace her with one of her friends.

4. After 1 winter she will be happy to leave and never return.

The deal you want means you get all the benefits, she does all the work and has to pay you just to keep her from going back to Colombia, when she probably would rather be in Colombia.

Those girls going to the private universities, most are from upper class families who can afford the costs. Many others are going to Colombia's National University, which is free, but entrance standards are very high. Two of my friends were students there, two others were professors there. Most don't have to become a prepago to pay for university.

For the ones who need the money there is another option, which is becoming very popular, webcam. I know this, because these girls pay for me to live in Medellin. And they are constantly bringing more friends to become webcam models. We turn down 9 out of 10 who want to work with us.

In every country there are women who are "just doing this to pay for college. " Except half never went to college and most of the rest quit college, because they are not thinking about the future. The ones who are left, who will finish college and will use some sexual job to pay, are smart, focused and driven. They aren't going to settle for marriage to someone who needs to use their income to reach upper class. They have no need for an aging middle class foreigner. Certainly they don't need one that they are expected to support. They can get that at home with someone much more attractive.

Sunday, after the Flower Festival parade, I went home with one of my neighbors. She is exactly what you are looking for, except instead of a prepago, she is a webcam model. Her maid cooked us a nice dinner and we talked. This year, if the current trend continues, she will make about $400,000 USD. However, her income has been rising rapidly and in 6 to 9 months she could be on pace for $1 million USD per year. She travels when and where she wants, does what she wants, with who she wants and sees no reason to get married. If you offered your deal to her she would still be laughing 3 days after your Visa expired.

You can find plenty of young Colombians who will marry you, because 100,000 COP is a lot of money to them. You can find plenty of Colombians who will fuck you, because you are paying their price. You can even find plenty of Colombians who will work as a prepago for you, because they think it's an escape from poverty. But you're trying to find one that will marry you, fuck you, work as a prepago for you and pay you for the privilege. Good luck with that.

[QUOTE=BigTimeFun;2070047]What are the best options in that area 7 to 10 pm? Gracias amigos.[/QUOTE]Probably the best option is Luna Lunera. Last I heard Abydos has closed down. Not certain what else is close and open at night.

No ones got the taste to give you kudos but I do. That is one of the hottest pics in the history of ISG. Well done!

How about posting a few more of these 3 in the PG? I'm guessing it gets better w / those sexy chicas.

Thanks much for posting the pic.

Good call, Luna Lunera is reliable. It's true Abydos is done.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2070059]Probably the best option is Luna Lunera. Last I heard Abydos has closed down. Not certain what else is close and open at night.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2070044]Guys,

Enlighten me please, why do you all bother with centro when you could just stay at Hotel M and have hot chicks IN your hotel so you don't have to look?[/QUOTE]Bigger selection, cheaper prices? Between the strip clubs, street girls and Casa's there must be 300+ Starting at 30 k or $10.

And I take them to my hotel if I want. Which is $26 a night, 15 stories with a beautiful view of the city at night.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2070059]Probably the best option is Luna Lunera. Last I heard Abydos has closed down. Not certain what else is close and open at night.[/QUOTE]Went to Luna Lunera about 8 pm. Very nice. About 10 to 12 chicas. Only 2 or 3 customers. Mia was nice but not a repeat for me. May be grest for someone else. "YMMV". I will return tomorrow in the afternoon. Cudos to World 69 for the great map. Medellion is great.

First time in MDE. I will be coming back.

I'm a youthful and athletic soon to be 50 year old.

That's the beauty of Colombia.

[QUOTE=MkMarko;2070032]Wow. What a great virgin trip! I'm also heading out for my virgin trip, and have set up a date through ColombianCupid / WhatsApp. Working on a couple more. Hoping for ChikSika success! I noticed you hooked up with girls 19-27. Are you in your 30's or younger / older?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2070049]You have to stay in the hotel to enter. Girls hang out by the pool from 2 to 6 ish, then they go into the basement which is a small lounge / bar / dance floor. Girls are 200,000 pesos or 300,000 pesos for all night. There are plenty of 9's and always at least one 10.[/QUOTE]I think you can pay 50 k COP if you are not a guest. Just call the reception and ask. They all speak excellent english. The most I have ever paid there was 200 K COP. The standard rate was 150 k COP. Have they gone up?

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2070112]Bigger selection, cheaper prices? Between the strip clubs, street girls and Casa's there must be 300+ Starting at 30 k or $10.

And I take them to my hotel if I want. Which is $26 a night, 15 stories with a beautiful view of the city at night.[/QUOTE]And I'd put them at mostly 8's with the possibility of a 9.

Or to put it another way, why would you go to the beach when you can stay in a hotel with a swimming pool?

Some people should stay at the Mansion. If you speak no Spanish and aren't willing to learn a little, stay there. If you are worried about speaking to taxi drivers who speak no English, go there. If you need a wingman and can't find one, if you're worried about trying something new or afraid to walk a few blocks alone, go there. If you don't mind paying triple rates for a cheap hotel room, go there.

I stayed for 2 nights in their cheapest room, which would have been fine except it has no bathroom. The bathroom is about 40 yards away, down several, unlighted stairs, past the pool. Not the best situation for any drunk, old gringos with bladder problems. The bar is nice, but rather basic. The other guests are nice, you can probably find someone to socialize with. The hotel staff was nice. I would consider another 2 day stay some day, in a different room.

But, I already have a home. It's much nicer than any Mansion room, except no Jacuzzi in the apartment. I pay about what 3 nights in a good Mansion room would cost per month. If I want to pay Mansion prices, for less than a dollar and 2 short walks I can usually find a better selection at Energy in a better room. If I want something quicker and cheaper, New Life is waiting, plus all the other Centro casas and clubs. Haven't felt the urge to pull off the street yet, but the option is there for anyone who wants it.

From the Mansion you're a short walk from several excellent restaurants where you can pay 22 k to 40 k for a good meal. There's even a nearby Burger King, Papa John's and McDonald's. A taxi will take you to Parque Lleras, with many more good restaurants. Someone from the Mansion will direct you to both areas.

If you stay almost anywhere else, you can find great local food for 7 k to 15 k. Maybe a few Mansion guests can direct you to such places.

If your Spanish is very weak, if you're on your first visit, if you're not feeling adventurous, the Mansion is great for you. If you come back a few times per year, why would you continue to stay there?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2070292]If your Spanish is very weak, if you're on your first visit, if you're not feeling adventurous, the Mansion is great for you. If you come back a few times per year, why would you continue to stay there?[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. My first 2 trips to the MDE, I stayed at the Mansion & loved it. I feel I have outgrown it, not by anything the Mansion or the chicas have done, but for 3 other reasons. Some of the regulars guests are simply tools & I don't care to be around them, the nightly rates are quite high compared to other options & the little bartender en la Cueva started bitching at me at the 4th of July party, 2016 for no reason. Then every time I went to la cueva she had a scowl on her face and it was a chore & a struggle for her to get me a beer, on my July & December visit. Time to branch out!

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2070058]What you are talking about can be summed up as: You share with her by providing a house and access to a place where she can make more money, working as a prepago. She shares with you by helping to pay for the house, working as a prepago for free with you and sharing her earnings as a prepago with you.

1. You are already paying to live in your country. Her living there will not double the cost. So you are getting a benefit, while she is paying to be there.

2. Any time having sex with you, you are getting a benefit and she is losing money by not being with a paying customer.

3. If she pays to bring friends over, you are again, getting a free benefit, while they are all losing money by not being with paying customers. In addition, she has to worry you will replace her with one of her friends.

4. After 1 winter she will be happy to leave and never return..[/QUOTE]She keeps her income from her own work, she just pays 50% of our living expenses.

75% of the population is poor in Colombia. Of course you wonder how girls that don't work can pay for the many private Universities. Working at minimum wage does only give the most basic needs.

Webcam. 400.000 USD ending on 1 M USD. Well, I have been there and a private show for 10 minutes cost for than an hour or real sex at New Life, 15 minutes a get a girl from Paisasdivinas or MasajistasPaisas. Maybe 10 girl have good money out of 10.000 webcam girls from Colombia. I tried it, being curious, but it is just a very expensive rip-off.

Dream; your model makes 1 M USD, and that is kind of normal? I would say a sexy model can reach 1000 USD / months, except a few stars.

On forums, and webcam ads. They state that a successfull model can make 10.000 USD / month. And how many are they?

99% get to see what they want on MFC and jerk off- for free. Or use free porn.

Even pornstars like Abella Anderson or Julieth (or another name, the brunette with big natural boobs and ass and a angelical face from Culioneros are BORED TO DEATH, since webcam-modelling is so damn slow.

Webcam exist since rich guys pays the very hot girls good money, but this is 1% of the models. And it is maybe 100.000 USD tops for the Miss MFC / year, if she work on a daily basis.

Many girls earns a few USD now and then, and some can make a normal living from it.

But it is artificial. I mean real sex. I mean a real marriage.

My paisa friends does not want to work as webcam models. I understand why! They are Dildo-ing, sitting in a room playing with a dildo all day long, it seems so boring, and one of my friends said, she could do it only for 3 hours a day. A famous prepago here on ISG says that her clients comes after 5-10 minutes, while paying for an full hour! Just like Paulo Cuelho describes it in his novel "11 minutes".

A survey showed that 33% of the female student sell sex in order to pay for their University career. 25% have parents with good incomes. But even they, if hot, have rich friends, Colombian or extranjeros, that help them to buy all the things a Guapa needs in terms of fashion etc.

And just search on a webcam models name, and you get her private shows for free at XVideos or Pornhub.

They are showing fake numbers on how much they have earned in order to think that they are stars and you are nothing, just like you use the same tactic against me!

Why would girls even enter porn or / and escort if they just can sit with a dildo at home and make 1 M USD / year.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2070303]I agree 100%. My first 2 trips to the MDE, I stayed at the Mansion & loved it. I feel I have outgrown it, not by anything the Mansion or the chicas have done, but for 3 other reasons. Some of the regulars guests are simply tools & I don't care to be around them, the nightly rates are quite high compared to other options & the little bartender en la Cueva started bitching at me at the 4th of July party, 2016 for no reason. Then every time I went to la cueva she had a scowl on her face and it was a chore & a struggle for her to get me a beer, on my July & December visit. Time to branch out!

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]Funny you mention that bartender at the Cueva.

Went to the Mansion last night to visit Robert, the owner, who unfortunately wasn't there.

When I asked the bartender if he was there or coming tonite, she was just a condescending beeeatch.

Was debating whether to complain about her or not, but I probably won't, she's just been pampered by the gringo crowd at the Mansion vying for her attention.

When I left 15 minutes later, she was sitting on the couch holding hands with a guy, who gave me a smug look like, look what I've got.

She's all yours buddy.

No thanks.

So a while back that I went to Medellin I meet with a semi pro from Parque Lleras and befriended her, we had intercouse when I was there, met even her family and she was a good side chick to screw on my trips there. We of course kept contacted once I returned to the states, we would talk through wassapp, we would send each other nudes and we would actually do video calls touching ourselves in exchange of me sending her mobile recharge and sending her money, well time past and I mean I got bored of her plus I have my GF here in the states, I told her this and she was not at all happy about this, as she knows the money transfers and the mobile recharge will disappear. I guess she screenshotted a conversation we had where she said good morning how you feeling and I sent her like 6 dick pics telling her I had a morning wood and she said that was unsolicited and that she wants to charge me for acoso sexual (even though I have conversations as well where she is sending me nudes and saying things of sexual nature.) She is right now extortionate me saying she wants a million pesos so she won't charge me, which I am actually going to do since a million pesos is not so a lot for me but regardless the problem would be if she is to still persist with this after sending her that amount and if I could actually be in trouble for it. Important info: she is over age, she is of a poor background I do see it hard for her to have access to an attorney and be persistent on it, obviously I am in a totally different country as well, I don't care if I get a travel ban to Colombia but I do not want to be arrested for having sexual conversations on the phone with a hooker. Like I said I really don't know how this would work if she were to hypothetically sue me if I can get into some serious trouble for sexual harassment (women always have an advantage in these type of things). She said that she already investigated and I can get into some serious trouble but I think she is just bluffing and wanting to rob me off the million of pesos and perhaps even more money afterwards if she were to not let this go.

It's quick and cheap to grab an uber from Centro to upper scale restaurants, bars, and clubs in Laureles. You spelled it out very well. I was a little confused by the original post. If I were happy in the gringo hotel I would just stay there and not worry about or question what goes on in Centro and why so many of us hang out there.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2070292]And I'd put them at mostly 8's with the possibility of a 9.

Or to put it another way, why would you go to the beach when you can stay in a hotel with a swimming pool?

Some people should stay at the Mansion. If you speak no Spanish and aren't willing to learn a little, stay there. If you are worried about speaking to taxi drivers who speak no English, go there. If you need a wingman and can't find one, if you're worried about trying something new or afraid to walk a few blocks alone, go there. If you don't mind paying triple rates for a cheap hotel room, go there.

I stayed for 2 nights in their cheapest room, which would have been fine except it has no bathroom. The bathroom is about 40 yards away, down several, unlighted stairs, past the pool. Not the best situation for any drunk, old gringos with bladder problems. The bar is nice, but rather basic. The other guests are nice, you can probably find someone to socialize with. The hotel staff was nice. I would consider another 2 day stay some day, in a different room..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2070049]You have to stay in the hotel to enter. Girls hang out by the pool from 2 to 6 ish, then they go into the basement which is a small lounge / bar / dance floor. Girls are 200,000 pesos or 300,000 pesos for all night. There are plenty of 9's and always at least one 10.[/QUOTE]200,000 short time? Don't be a sucker! You are grossly overpaying. Most (except the spoiled princesses) will happily accept 150 k.

9's and at least one 10 at the Mansion? We must have a different scoring system. I have never seen a 9 there in 3 trips.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2070460]I
9's and at least one 10 at the Mansion? We must have a different scoring system. I have never seen a 9 there in 3 trips.[/QUOTE]We all have different scoring systems.

One man's 9 or 10, may be a 7 to you, and vice versa.

Obviously.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2070395]... I guess she screenshotted a conversation we had where she said good morning how you feeling and I sent her like 6 dick pics telling her I had a morning wood and she said that was unsolicited and that she wants to charge me for acoso sexual (even though I have conversations as well where she is sending me nudes and saying things of sexual nature.) She is right now extortionate me saying she wants a million pesos so she won't charge me, which I am actually going to do since a million pesos is not so a lot for me but regardless the problem would be if she is to still persist with this after sending her that amount and if I could actually be in trouble for it. Important info: she is over age, she is of a poor background I do see it hard for her to have access to an attorney and be persistent on it, obviously I am in a totally different country as well, I don't care if I get a travel ban to Colombia but I do not want to be arrested for having sexual conversations on the phone with a hooker. Like I said I really don't know how this would work if she were to hypothetically sue me if I can get into some serious trouble for sexual harassment (women always have an advantage in these type of things). She said that she already investigated and I can get into some serious trouble but I think she is just bluffing and wanting to rob me off the million of pesos and perhaps even more money afterwards if she were to not let this go.[/QUOTE]She knows you have money, cause you've been sending it to her.

A million pesos is not a lot for any of us here, however, it will never stop at the million pesos, she's an extortionist.

I would tell her exactly that, that she's an extortionist, and that you've already contracted a lawyer in Colombia who's talking with the authorities about her extortion activity.

Do guys actually send dick pics like that?

Crazy stuff.

A fool and their money are soon parted. I wouldn't even worry about it. End of story!

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2070395]So a while back that I went to Medellin I meet with a semi pro from Parque Lleras and befriended her, we had intercouse when I was there, met even her family and she was a good side chick to screw on my trips there. We of course kept contacted once I returned to the states, we would talk through wassapp, we would send each other nudes and we would actually do video calls touching ourselves in exchange of me sending her mobile recharge and sending her money, well time past and I mean I got bored of her plus I have my GF here in the states, I told her this and she was not at all happy about this, as she knows the money transfers and the mobile recharge will disappear. I guess she screenshotted a conversation we had where she said good morning how you feeling and I sent her like 6 dick pics telling her I had a morning wood and she said that was unsolicited and that she wants to charge me for acoso sexual (even though I have conversations as well where she is sending me nudes and saying things of sexual nature.) She is right now extortionate me saying she wants a million pesos so she won't charge me, which I am actually going to do since a million pesos is not so a lot for me but regardless the problem would be if she is to still persist with this after sending her that amount and if I could actually be in trouble for it. Important info: she is over age, she is of a poor background I do see it hard for her to have access to an attorney and be persistent on it, obviously I am in a totally different country as well, I don't care if I get a travel ban to Colombia but I do not want to be arrested for having sexual conversations on the phone with a hooker. Like I said I really don't know how this would work if she were to hypothetically sue me if I can get into some serious trouble for sexual harassment (women always have an advantage in these type of things). She said that she already investigated and I can get into some serious trouble but I think she is just bluffing and wanting to rob me off the million of pesos and perhaps even more money afterwards if she were to not let this go.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2070252]I think you can pay 50 k COP if you are not a guest. Just call the reception and ask. They all speak excellent english. The most I have ever paid there was 200 K COP. The standard rate was 150 k COP. Have they gone up?

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]Yeah, 200 k now, 300 k for all night. Not bad with the current exchange rate flirting with 3000.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2070112]Bigger selection, cheaper prices? Between the strip clubs, street girls and Casa's there must be 300+ Starting at 30 k or $10.

And I take them to my hotel if I want. Which is $26 a night, 15 stories with a beautiful view of the city at night.[/QUOTE]But how do they look?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2070292]And I'd put them at mostly 8's with the possibility of a 9.

Or to put it another way, why would you go to the beach when you can stay in a hotel with a swimming pool?

Some people should stay at the Mansion. If you speak no Spanish and aren't willing to learn a little, stay there. If you are worried about speaking to taxi drivers who speak no English, go there. If you need a wingman and can't find one, if you're worried about trying something new or afraid to walk a few blocks alone, go there. If you don't mind paying triple rates for a cheap hotel room, go there.

I stayed for 2 nights in their cheapest room, which would have been fine except it has no bathroom. The bathroom is about 40 yards away, down several, unlighted stairs, past the pool. Not the best situation for any drunk, old gringos with bladder problems. The bar is nice, but rather basic. The other guests are nice, you can probably find someone to socialize with. The hotel staff was nice. I would consider another 2 day stay some day, in a different room.[/QUOTE]I thought I had to stay to enter, now I feel like an ass. Although I love the convenience and didn't know any better on prices.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2070465]We all have different scoring systems.

One man's 9 or 10, may be a 7 to you, and vice versa.

Obviously.[/QUOTE]Here! Hear!

But I am surprised someone could not find their dream girl in 3 trips to the Mansion, sounds almost like a lie.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2070395]So a while back that I went to Medellin I meet with a semi pro from Parque Lleras and befriended her, we had intercouse when I was there, met even her family and she was a good side chick to screw on my trips there. We of course kept contacted once I returned to the states, we would talk through wassapp, we would send each other nudes and we would actually do video calls touching ourselves in exchange of me sending her mobile recharge and sending her money, well time past and I mean I got bored of her plus I have my GF here in the states, I told her this and she was not at all happy about this, as she knows the money transfers and the mobile recharge will disappear. I guess she screenshotted a conversation we had where she said good morning how you feeling and I sent her like 6 dick pics telling her I had a morning wood and she said that was unsolicited and that she wants to charge me for acoso sexual (even though I have conversations as well where she is sending me nudes and saying things of sexual nature.) She is right now extortionate me saying she wants a million pesos so she won't charge me, which I am actually going to do since a million pesos is not so a lot for me but regardless the problem would be if she is to still persist with this after sending her that amount and if I could actually be in trouble for it. Important info: she is over age, she is of a poor background I do see it hard for her to have access to an attorney and be persistent on it, obviously I am in a totally different country as well, I don't care if I get a travel ban to Colombia but I do not want to be arrested for having sexual conversations on the phone with a hooker. Like I said I really don't know how this would work if she were to hypothetically sue me if I can get into some serious trouble for sexual harassment (women always have an advantage in these type of things). She said that she already investigated and I can get into some serious trouble but I think she is just bluffing and wanting to rob me off the million of pesos and perhaps even more money afterwards if she were to not let this go.[/QUOTE]You are in the states and she is in Colombia? Bro! Are you a fool? She can't touch you. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[QUOTE=Queens35;2070460]200,000 short time? Don't be a sucker! You are grossly overpaying. Most (except the spoiled princesses) will happily accept 150 k.

9's and at least one 10 at the Mansion? We must have a different scoring system. I have never seen a 9 there in 3 trips.[/QUOTE]Grossly overpaying? 50 k pesos equals $16 at today's rate of 3002 pesos, I wouldn't say it's "Grossly" overpaying. Definitely overpaying though. I thought the price was set by the guys anyway.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2070395]So a while back that I went to Medellin I meet with a semi pro from Parque Lleras and befriended her, we had intercouse when I was there, met even her family and she was a good side chick to screw on my trips there. We of course kept contacted once I returned to the states, we would talk through wassapp, we would send each other nudes and we would actually do video calls touching ourselves in exchange of me sending her mobile recharge and sending her money, well time past and I mean I got bored of her plus I have my GF here in the states, I told her this and she was not at all happy about this, as she knows the money transfers and the mobile recharge will disappear. I guess she screenshotted a conversation we had where she said good morning how you feeling and I sent her like 6 dick pics telling her I had a morning wood and she said that was unsolicited and that she wants to charge me for acoso sexual (even though I have conversations as well where she is sending me nudes and saying things of sexual nature.) She is right now extortionate me saying she wants a million pesos so she won't charge me, which I am actually going to do since a million pesos is not so a lot for me but regardless the problem would be if she is to still persist with this after sending her that amount and if I could actually be in trouble for it. Important info: she is over age, she is of a poor background I do see it hard for her to have access to an attorney and be persistent on it, obviously I am in a totally different country as well, I don't care if I get a travel ban to Colombia but I do not want to be arrested for having sexual conversations on the phone with a hooker. Like I said I really don't know how this would work if she were to hypothetically sue me if I can get into some serious trouble for sexual harassment (women always have an advantage in these type of things). She said that she already investigated and I can get into some serious trouble but I think she is just bluffing and wanting to rob me off the million of pesos and perhaps even more money afterwards if she were to not let this go.[/QUOTE]This is ONLY my opinion, but as long as you don't go to Colombia, they can't touch you for something like this. This is not murder afterall. Now, if that is really against the law, and she goes to the cops and makes a report (she doesn't need to know a lawyer or judge, just go to the cops), and you enter Colombia, you would be flagged and arrested.

Basically, if I were you, I'd contact an attorney in Medellin and ask about the law in reference to what she is saying. Most likely it's a bluff, but who knows. If she sees that you aren't falling for this, she's liable to go tell them that you raped her. While you may not get long-term jail sentence, but would probably spend some time in preventative detention until trial, and you'd spend thousands and thousands to defend yourself. Either way, I would forget about Colombia forever.

As for the extortion, you must know that she will continue to ask for more and more. It will never stop, that's how extortion works.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2070395]So a while back that I went to Medellin I meet with a semi pro from Parque Lleras and befriended her, we had intercouse when I was there, met even her family and she was a good side chick to screw on my trips there. We of course kept contacted once I returned to the states, we would talk through wassapp, we would send each other nudes and we would actually do video calls touching ourselves in exchange of me sending her mobile recharge and sending her money, well time past and I mean I got bored of her plus I have my GF here in the states, I told her this and she was not at all happy about this, as she knows the money transfers and the mobile recharge will disappear. I guess she screenshotted a conversation we had where she said good morning how you feeling and I sent her like 6 dick pics telling her I had a morning wood and she said that was unsolicited and that she wants to charge me for acoso sexual (even though I have conversations as well where she is sending me nudes and saying things of sexual nature.) She is right now extortionate me saying she wants a million pesos so she won't charge me, which I am actually going to do since a million pesos is not so a lot for me but regardless the problem would be if she is to still persist with this after sending her that amount and if I could actually be in trouble for it. Important info: she is over age, she is of a poor background I do see it hard for her to have access to an attorney and be persistent on it, obviously I am in a totally different country as well, I don't care if I get a travel ban to Colombia but I do not want to be arrested for having sexual conversations on the phone with a hooker. Like I said I really don't know how this would work if she were to hypothetically sue me if I can get into some serious trouble for sexual harassment (women always have an advantage in these type of things). She said that she already investigated and I can get into some serious trouble but I think she is just bluffing and wanting to rob me off the million of pesos and perhaps even more money afterwards if she were to not let this go.[/QUOTE]Stop any contact with her, eliminate her from all your contacts, don't answer to any of her mails. After a while she will leave it. Don't worry, she can't do absolutely nothing. A mad ex girlfriend is not an international legal matter

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2070437]It's quick and cheap to grab an uber from Centro to upper scale restaurants, bars, and clubs in Laureles. You spelled it out very well. I was a little confused by the original post. If I were happy in the gringo hotel I would just stay there and not worry about or question what goes on in Centro and why so many of us hang out there.[/QUOTE]I feel like I'm missing something and if there are 9's to be had for $10 then I have been missing something. I'm going down Sept. 19th so I will definitely check it out this time. Been to Medellin about 5 times and never went. Is it like Santa Fe in Bogota?

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2070303]I agree 100%. My first 2 trips to the MDE, I stayed at the Mansion & loved it. I feel I have outgrown it, not by anything the Mansion or the chicas have done, but for 3 other reasons. Some of the regulars guests are simply tools & I don't care to be around them, the nightly rates are quite high compared to other options & the little bartender en la Cueva started bitching at me at the 4th of July party, 2016 for no reason. Then every time I went to la cueva she had a scowl on her face and it was a chore & a struggle for her to get me a beer, on my July & December visit. Time to branch out!

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]There are some tools there.

[QUOTE=Routard;2070494]Stop any contact with her, eliminate her from all your contacts, don't answer to any of her mails. After a while she will leave it. Don't worry, she can't do absolutely nothing. A mad ex girlfriend is not an international legal matter[/QUOTE]One other piece of advice, keep your pecker in your pants unless you are ready to use it for its intended purpose, and posing for pictures is not an intended purpose.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2070468]She knows you have money, cause you've been sending it to her.

A million pesos is not a lot for any of us here, however, it will never stop at the million pesos,.[/QUOTE]1 million pesos? Shiiieeeettt. My next step would be to send her a picture of Deeez Nuttts.

Extortion is illegal in Colombia. Demanding money in exchange for not swearing out a complaint is extortion. If there is a verified message from the girl to that effect she would have some exposure. If there are also any messages indicating mutual consent for exchanging lewd photographs that would discourage law enforcement involvement.

This is a reminder to me to not start doing something I never considered doing. Publishing nude photographs of myself.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2070492]This is ONLY my opinion, but as long as you don't go to Colombia, they can't touch you for something like this. This is not murder afterall. Now, if that is really against the law, and she goes to the cops and makes a report (she doesn't need to know a lawyer or judge, just go to the cops), and you enter Colombia, you would be flagged and arrested.

Basically, if I were you, I'd contact an attorney in Medellin and ask about the law in reference to what she is saying. Most likely it's a bluff, but who knows. If she sees that you aren't falling for this, she's liable to go tell them that you raped her. While you may not get long-term jail sentence, but would probably spend some time in preventative detention until trial, and you'd spend thousands and thousands to defend yourself. Either way, I would forget about Colombia forever.

As for the extortion, you must know that she will continue to ask for more and more. It will never stop, that's how extortion works.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2070395]I told her this and she was not at all happy about this, as she knows the money transfers and the mobile recharge will disappear. I guess she screenshotted a conversation we had where she said good morning how you feeling and I sent her like 6 dick pics telling her I had a morning wood and she said that was unsolicited and that she wants to charge me for acoso sexual (even though I have conversations as well where she is sending me nudes and saying things of sexual nature.) [/QUOTE]Damn. Years ago when I first started hobbying in Latin America I seem to recall this chica wanting me to show her my pecker on webcam. I refused but on one occasion pretended like I was about to. I immediately noticed she was going to screenshot the exchange. Just the way she moved like a predator toward the screen with her hands on the keyboard. I was too smart to fall for it.

Don't send shit. The more you send the more empowered she will feel. Stay away for a year and move on. Hopefully you didn't send her full body pics with your face.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2070508]One other piece of advice, keep your pecker in your pants unless you are ready to use it for its intended purpose, and posing for pictures is not an intended purpose.[/QUOTE]Very good advice!

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2070303]... My first 2 trips to the MDE, I stayed at the Mansion & loved it. I feel I have outgrown it, not by anything the Mansion or the chicas have done, but for 3 other reasons. Some of the regulars guests are simply tools & I don't care to be around them, the nightly rates are quite high compared to other options & the little bartender en la Cueva started bitching at me at the 4th of July party, 2016 for no reason. Then every time I went to la cueva she had a scowl on her face and it was a chore & a struggle for her to get me a beer, on my July & December visit. Time to branch out! El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]I felt exactly the same way as you. First two times it was cool to check the scene and learn your way around. After that, much better options elsewhere, meaning the room rates are too high. You can find a hotel for $50 usd a night with breakfast included. Or get and Airbnb apt. The same goes for the girls, more options outside of the. And I also despise that ignorant bartender. A guy I met on my first visit was also there on my 2nd visit. He was having a party at the cueva that night and he personally invited me. He said all the rum and whiskey is already paid for just show up. I show up and the bottles and mixers were all on the bar for self-service. So I pour myself a drink and go join the party. I went back for another drink and that idiot bartender tried to tell me the alcohol was for the girls. I said WHAT? This is Johnnie's (not his real name, I just made this name up) party and he paid for everything already. She had that same nasty look on her face. I poured my drink and went over to the guy and brought him to bar. Then, in from of that beotch, I ask him if he paid for all the drinks. He said YES, you can have whatever you like! I told Robert about her. And I know Robert from my home town, because he worked with my brother for a few years before moving to Medellin. I seriously don't know why he keeps her around.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2070394]Funny you mention that bartender at the Cueva. Went to the Mansion last night to visit Robert, the owner, who unfortunately wasn't there.
When I asked the bartender if he was there or coming tonite, she was just a condescending beeeatch. Was debating whether to complain about her or not, but I probably won't, she's just been pampered by the gringo crowd at the Mansion vying for her attention....[/QUOTE]Let him know your opinion. If more guys complain and state their dislike and the reason, it might help the situation. But if you don't say anything, it's sure to continue.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2070492]This is ONLY my opinion, but as long as you don't go to Colombia, they can't touch you for something like this. This is not murder afterall. Now, if that is really against the law, and she goes to the cops and makes a report (she doesn't need to know a lawyer or judge, just go to the cops), and you enter Colombia, you would be flagged and arrested.

Basically, if I were you, I'd contact an attorney in Medellin and ask about the law in reference to what she is saying. Most likely it's a bluff, but who knows. If she sees that you aren't falling for this, she's liable to go tell them that you raped her. While you may not get long-term jail sentence, but would probably spend some time in preventative detention until trial, and you'd spend thousands and thousands to defend yourself. Either way, I would forget about Colombia forever.

As for the extortion, you must know that she will continue to ask for more and more. It will never stop, that's how extortion works.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I wouldn't send her anything. Cut off ALL communication with her and block her. If she got any money from you, do you think she will stop? Don't send her any money.

What you can do is send her the photos you have of her with her sexual comments! Then block her.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2070395]So a while back that I went to Medellin I meet with a semi pro from Parque Lleras and befriended her, we had intercouse when I was there, met even her family and she was a good side chick to screw on my trips there. We of course kept contacted once I returned to the states, we would talk through wassapp, we would send each other nudes and we would actually do video calls touching ourselves in exchange of me sending her mobile recharge and sending her money, well time past and I mean I got bored of her plus I have my GF here in the states, I told her this and she was not at all happy about this, as she knows the money transfers and the mobile recharge will disappear. I guess she screenshotted a conversation we had where she said good morning how you feeling and I sent her like 6 dick pics telling her I had a morning wood and she said that was unsolicited and that she wants to charge me for acoso sexual (even though I have conversations as well where she is sending me nudes and saying things of sexual nature.) She is right now extortionate me saying she wants a million pesos so she won't charge me, which I am actually going to do since a million pesos is not so a lot for me but regardless the problem would be if she is to still persist with this after sending her that amount and if I could actually be in trouble for it. Important info: she is over age, she is of a poor background I do see it hard for her to have access to an attorney and be persistent on it, obviously I am in a totally different country as well, I don't care if I get a travel ban to Colombia but I do not want to be arrested for having sexual conversations on the phone with a hooker. Like I said I really don't know how this would work if she were to hypothetically sue me if I can get into some serious trouble for sexual harassment (women always have an advantage in these type of things). She said that she already investigated and I can get into some serious trouble but I think she is just bluffing and wanting to rob me off the million of pesos and perhaps even more money afterwards if she were to not let this go.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]I think the authorities have more important issues to tend to than a little sexting. Keep all of the pics she sent you & tell her you will sue her & your lawyer will contact the authorities in her barrio & will have her arrested for the same thing as well as extortion. You probably won't hear from her again after that. If you pay her the million COP, don't expect that to be the last request!

El Mechanico.

So after a whole day of massive panicking about this subject but talking it through with close friends and even a lawyer I came.

To the decision of all blocked communications in whatsapp and social media, and as you guys suggested I did not send her a single dime. I was thinking it through and there are two most probable things she is going to do with that money a) most likely buy drugs b) or perhaps use that money to contact a prosecuting attorney. Now there is a problem, I won't hear from her probably unless she tries to contact me through another phone in which I will immediately block, but now I am wondering if what Queen35 said is true, where out of spite she were to go and contact the authorities and even where to go and exaggerate and make up lies like saying I raped her or something like that and that puts me in a criminal list where I would be flagged if I ever where to go back to Colombia. Again the only reason why I am concern is because she is the Colombian variation of ghetto trash biotch. She is addicted to cocaine, emotionally unstable, resides in the piece of shit neighborhood of San Javier, and her ex husband the father of her 4 yr old child is a criminal and is actually incarcerated for homicide. I only knew of these details once I got to know her better, it's not like I knew the girl and her background when I found her in parque lleras in the club above the medellin beer factory LOL. But yeah, all around it would suck not knowing if she actually contacted the authorities and not knowing whether I can go to Colombia or not. I mean don't get me wrong, its definately not the worst outcome, when she first threatened me I panicked like a little biotch and thought that homeland security was going to knock on my door and extradite my ass to Colombia for sending a a low life working girl dick pics LOL no joke I was scared shitless. But being uncertain of being able to go to Colombia or not sure is going to suck ass, I have mongered in a few latin american countries, DR, Mexico, Central America and Colombia, Colombia is sure the best for me (sorry if this will sound a little racist, but it is my taste and preference for women) because a lot of women are more caucasian and more European looking. Mexico and almost all Central America minus Costa Rica women tend to look too indigenous, and DR had a lot of dark and brown skinned women. Not to mention Costa Rica is more expensive than Colombia, you can find very attractive whitish girls in el centro de medellin or in barrio santa fe in Bogota charging $15-$20 USD and Costa Rica is more than 3 x that amount for someone remotely close as sexy. So yeah definitely it would suck ass to never be able to travel to Colombia again because of a ghetto biotch. Any domain or public website where one can check people who are in the wanted list in Colombia or its flagged? LOL.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2070497]I feel like I'm missing something and if there are 9's to be had for $10 then I have been missing something. I'm going down Sept. 19th so I will definitely check it out this time. Been to Medellin about 5 times and never went. Is it like Santa Fe in Bogota?[/QUOTE]Well the street girls are more likely to be 7 & 8's but the strip clubs like Conejitas and Barre Ejecutiva will have the occasional 8 or 9.

These were all $10 street girls:

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2070688]So after a whole day of massive panicking about this subject but talking it through with close friends and even a lawyer I came.

To the decision of all blocked communications in whatsapp and social media, and as you guys suggested I did not send her a single dime. I was thinking it through and there are two most probable things she is going to do with that money a) most likely buy drugs b) or perhaps use that money to contact a prosecuting attorney. Now there is a problem, I won't hear from her probably unless she tries to contact me through another phone in which I will immediately block, but now I am wondering if what Queen35 said is true, where out of spite she were to go and contact the authorities and even where to go and exaggerate and make up lies like saying I raped her or something like that and that puts me in a criminal list where I would be flagged if I ever where to go back to Colombia. Again the only reason why I am concern is because she is the Colombian variation of ghetto trash biotch. She is addicted to cocaine, emotionally unstable, resides in the piece of shit neighborhood of San Javier, and her ex husband the father of her 4 yr old child is a criminal and is actually incarcerated for homicide. I only knew of these details once I got to know her better, it's not like I knew the girl and her background when I found her in parque lleras in the club above the medellin beer factory LOL. But yeah, all around it would suck not knowing if she actually contacted the authorities and not knowing whether I can go to Colombia or not..[/QUOTE]Right now there is probably a SWAT team preparing to raid your home, hogtie you and transport you to Colombia to pay for your crimes. Probably 40 years of hard labor waiting on you.

Get a grip on yourself. The Colombian National Police and Immigration are going to waste time and money coming after a gringo over dick pics? Some estrato 2 puta is going to spend her day in a police station filling out reports, answering questions and having her phone searched? Some lawyer is going to waste time with her for free, waste more time making a case, all in the hopes of splitting a few million pesos, when they have no way to enforce any judgment? Now click your heels together 3 times and say "there's no place like home. ".

The only thing you have to worry about if you return to Colombia is running into the crazy *****.

Some 'semi' pro that one turned out to be.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2070688]But being uncertain of being able to go to Colombia or not sure is going to suck ass, I have mongered in a few latin american countries, DR, Mexico, Central America and Colombia, Colombia is sure the best for me (sorry if this will sound a little racist, but it is my taste and preference for women) because a lot of women are more caucasian and more European looking.[/QUOTE]Try Sao Paulo, Brazil. Lots of blancas, if you are into that. It is more expensive in general but I have found pussy for 150 reals which is in or around 150 k Colombian. Won't touch the places lower than that because honestly not worth it. They have tons of nightclubs that are filled with hookers and have rooms on the premises. Also plenty of brothels that are very clean and well run.

GFE a bit over the top here. Some hookers will ask you if kissing is ok because it does turn off customers. Yes, the hookers want to know if it is OK to deep throat you. Never had a problem with BBBJ.

Downside is everything in Sao Paolo is spread out so Uber charges add up, and you won't find 10 dollar pussy like you would in a Medellin Centro brothel.

A little Portuguese is enough if you already speak good Spanish.

And that club you went to? Club Gusto where you met your blackmailer does not have semi pros. Those are among the hardest hookers I have met in Medellin. Nice place for sure but expensive pussy, and usually bad attitude.

Good luck to you. I hope you learn from the experience, but I have some doubts about that after reading your rationalization of how you wound up in this situation. I hope you at least understand you should evaluate your long term relationship options based on a girl's character as well as her appearance. If you are worried about getting pinched at immigration when you arrive in Colombia, consider hiring a Colombian investigator and / or attorney. They could dig up any wants or warrants against you.

By the way, how much personal information (other than pictures of your genitals) did you share with this woman? I'm referring to things like your legal name, your residential or business address, government identification numbers (social security etc.)? Consider keeping that sort of information to yourself from now on.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2070688]So after a whole day of massive panicking about this subject but talking it through with close friends and even a lawyer I came.

To the decision of all blocked communications in whatsapp and social media, and as you guys suggested I did not send her a single dime. I was thinking it through and there are two most probable things she is going to do with that money a) most likely buy drugs b) or perhaps use that money to contact a prosecuting attorney. Now there is a problem, I won't hear from her probably unless she tries to contact me through another phone in which I will immediately block, but now I am wondering if what Queen35 said is true, where out of spite she were to go and contact the authorities and even where to go and exaggerate and make up lies like saying I raped her or something like that and that puts me in a criminal list where I would be flagged if I ever where to go back to Colombia. Again the only reason why I am concern is because she is the Colombian variation of ghetto trash biotch. She is addicted to cocaine, emotionally unstable, resides in the piece of shit neighborhood of San Javier, and her ex husband the father of her 4 yr old child is a criminal and is actually incarcerated for homicide..[/QUOTE]

I can't remember seeing an unescorted girl in the place who wasn't working. Hard.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2070862]And that club you went to? Club Gusto where you met your blackmailer does not have semi pros. Those are among the hardest hookers I have met in Medellin. Nice place for sure but expensive pussy, and usually bad attitude.[/QUOTE]

Gents,

Starting this weekend, Jenson will be catering to our hobby and our fraternity on Fridays and Saturday nights from 7 pm-2 am. There are drink specials, etc. But mostly, there will be plenty of talent available to mingle with and take out, should you come to terms.

Address is Cra 37, # 10-29. There is a large lit sign. The place is a block over from Parque Lleras. Hope to see you there.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2070688]Colombia is sure the best for me (sorry if this will sound a little racist, but it is my taste and preference for women) because a lot of women are more caucasian and more European looking.[/QUOTE]How does preferring caucasian women make you racist? In such a situation only you know whether you are racist or not. If a caucasian man prefers Asian women, what does that make him?

[QUOTE=RedHotMyGirl;2066573]Hi Guys,

Am a single traveller to Medellin between August 24-September 7 next month.

As we all know, single mongering can get a littler tiring.

So folks, if in town on same dates, do drop a PM.

We could be a team.[/QUOTE]My friend and I wlll be in town Aug 27-Sept 5. Happy to coordinate a hang out.

Doc.

Well yesterday late at night the mother of that girl ended up sending me a message through facebook messenger since I had blocked her from all social media, saying she will pursue this and get me for acoso sexual and she said also for pedophilia (even tho her daughter is 21) and all that BS, I did not respond of course I blocked her as well but that threat still made me feel uncomfortable and sure enough I was panicking last night (I suffer from panic attacks when a stressful situation occurs) I had all my closest friends consolidate me and telling me everything will be fine that is practically impossible for me to get into mayor trouble for this, but now that last thing the mother said got me worried because the girl does have a 16 year old sister that I definitely did not ever mess with (I am not that fucking stupid) so maybe they can fabricate a lie saying I did something with the younger sister and thus the pedofile threat, in which case that may be more serious, but again I have photo evidence that it was the older sister sending me pics and having the conversations with me, so that would practically be impossible as well but still I hate being put into all this drama, again they may just be messing with my head and trying to get money off of me and they know how gullible I am, but yeah user Knowledge I definitely learned my lesson, I am definitely never going to Colombia, in all honesty I am probably going to give up mongering all together if I can possibly do that, I already have a GF, mongering for me was not my only source of sex it was supposed to be an easy and commitment free way of obtaining sex with other partners and definately going through this BS and drama with a trash hoe is not worth it by any means, again as long as I am not going to get arrested and get fucked I really don't care what happens, I am not going to go to Colombia ever again so I should never worry about that situation, every single person I talked to about this said that is practically impossible that I will be extradited for sending dick pics to a low life chica, so yeah I am a little relaxed still always that "what if" scenarios go through my brain because I suffer from panic attacks and anxiety disorder, I am going to go to a therapist soon and everything should be good.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2070851]Some 'semi' pro that one turned out to be.[/QUOTE]ROFLMAOOO. There is no "semi-" about her, she is a total pro.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2070481]But how do they look?[/QUOTE]Girls I have met in Centro strip clubs and on the street:

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2070688]So after a whole day of massive panicking about this subject but talking it through with close friends and even a lawyer I came.....[/QUOTE]Don't suppose want to post a pic of her so other can beware?

Heading to Medellin from August 18th to the 29th, staying in the El Poblado section. If anyone wants to link up, drop me a line!

[QUOTE=Queens35;2053406]She should know better? You mean that she should EXPECT that every gringo will bring hookers to her apartment, right?[/QUOTE]Yes! She should absolutely expect Americans coming to Colombia to get girls, why else would we go there? The coffee?

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2071127]Girls I have met in Centro strip clubs and on the street:[/QUOTE]And they were $10? Some were hot.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2071083]Well yesterday late at night the mother of that girl ended up sending me a message through facebook messenger since I had blocked her from all social media, saying she will pursue this and get me for acoso sexual and she said also for pedophilia (even tho her daughter is 21) and all that BS, I did not respond of course I blocked her as well but that threat still made me feel uncomfortable and sure enough I was panicking last night (I suffer from panic attacks when a stressful situation occurs) I had all my closest friends consolidate me and telling me everything will be fine that is practically impossible for me to get into mayor trouble for this, but now that last thing the mother said got me worried because the girl does have a 16 year old sister that I definitely did not ever mess with (I am not that fucking stupid) so maybe they can fabricate a lie saying I did something with the younger sister and thus the pedofile threat, in which case that may be more serious, but again I have photo evidence that it was the older sister sending me pics and having the conversations with me, so that would practically be impossible as well but still I hate being put into all this drama, again they may just be messing with my head and trying to get money off of me and they know how gullible I am, but yeah user Knowledge I definitely learned my lesson, I am definitely never going to Colombia, in all honesty I am probably going to give up mongering all together if I can possibly do that, I already have a GF, mongering for me was not my only source of sex it was supposed to be an easy and commitment free way of obtaining sex with other partners and definately going through this BS and drama with a trash hoe is not worth it by any means, again as long as I am not going to get arrested and get fucked I really don't care what happens, I am not going to go to Colombia ever again so I should never worry about that situation, every single person I talked to about this said that is practically impossible that I will be extradited for sending dick pics to a low life chica, so yeah I am a little relaxed still always that "what if" scenarios go through my brain because I suffer from panic attacks and anxiety disorder, I am going to go to a therapist soon and everything should be good.[/QUOTE]Dude,

She can't do anything, I'm a lawyer in New York, stop sweating this.

Tell her you contacted an attorney in Colombia and you are suing her for Malicious Prosecution and Abuse of Process and you have plenty of text messages where you both talked about sex. Tell her if she continues, she will face legal action.

Dad comes home and finds little Johnny giving his grandmother the business, he turns to Dad and says, "It's not so funny when it's your mom, is it?

I agree with the advice. For whatever reason, I would have qualified it as information I received from a trusted source.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2071202]Dude,

She can't do anything, I'm a lawyer in New York, stop sweating this.

Tell her you contacted an attorney in Colombia and you are suing her for Malicious Prosecution and Abuse of Process and you have plenty of text messages where you both talked about sex. Tell her if she continues, she will face legal action.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2071199]And they were $10? Some were hot.[/QUOTE]Top 3 left were strip clubs girls, they are a little more, bottom looking in mirror also strip club, rest were $10.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2071083]Well yesterday late at night the mother of that girl ended up sending me a message through facebook messenger since I had blocked her from all social media, saying she will pursue this and get me for acoso sexual and she said also for pedophilia (even tho her daughter is 21) and all that BS, I did not respond of course I blocked her as well but that threat still made me feel uncomfortable and sure enough I was panicking last night (I suffer from panic attacks when a stressful situation occurs).[/QUOTE]I'm thinking that mommy found the pics and maybe she doesn't know what babygirl does for a living. So babygirl made up a story that some gringo is sending her pick pics. Otherwise, I don't see why babygirl involved the mother, I'm sure she wouldn't want to split any money with her. You are going about this all wrong. You should have asked the mother if she could send you a pic of herself. And if a 3-way with her daughter was on the menu.

In all seriousness, you have nothing to worry about. If you stay out of Colombia, they can't touch you. In the unlikely event that you would receive a letter from some attorney (unlikely since it would cost them money, and I doubt a lawyer would take that on contingency), just ignore it. Or even better, return to post office with the words: RETURN TO SENDER.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2071250]I'm thinking that mommy found the pics and maybe she doesn't know what babygirl does for a living. So babygirl made up a story that some gringo is sending her pick pics. Otherwise, I don't see why babygirl involved the mother[/QUOTE]The mother is probably in on the scam. Or it's a fake account. Believe me some of these people are positively shameless. Personally, I think the girls at Club Gusto are having a laugh at the guy who fell for this and sent a million pesos.

Do Not Send Anymore Money.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2070460]200,000 short time? Don't be a sucker! You are grossly overpaying. Most (except the spoiled princesses) will happily accept 150 k.

9's and at least one 10 at the Mansion? We must have a different scoring system. I have never seen a 9 there in 3 trips.[/QUOTE]No kidding. I'm wondering if the poster is one of the owners. Because I've never seen better than an 8 at the Mansion. And about one-third of the girls would have to pay me to fuck them.

200 k might be overpaying, but certainly not "grossly" so. That said, virtually all the girls will be happy with 150 k. The key is don't tell her a price around her girlfriends. They all want to brag to their friends about how much they are getting paid.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2071285]The mother is probably in on the scam. Or it's a fake account. Believe me some of these people are positively shameless. Personally, I think the girls at Club Gusto are having a laugh at the guy who fell for this and sent a million pesos.

Do Not Send Anymore Money.[/QUOTE]That's the most likely. Don't send money. And don't maintain links with these chicas when you're outside of Colombia. Nothing to be gained from them knowing a thing about you -- starting with how to contact you.

[QUOTE=Combo;2071300]No kidding. I'm wondering if the poster is one of the owners. Because I've never seen better than an 8 at the Mansion. And about one-third of the girls would have to pay me to fuck them.

200 k might be overpaying, but certainly not "grossly" so. That said, virtually all the girls will be happy with 150 k. The key is don't tell her a price around her girlfriends. They all want to brag to their friends about how much they are getting paid.

That's the most likely. Don't send money. And don't maintain links with these chicas when you're outside of Colombia. Nothing to be gained from them knowing a thing about you -- starting with how to contact you.[/QUOTE]Yes. When you go home from Las Vegas do you text your favorite dealer or croupier? "Hey babe look at these pictures of my money. Send me some BJ (blackjack) pics."

If she's really good, really, really good, stay in infrequent contact, but never send money. Also never get into any heavy conversations with her. She's someone you paid for sex on vacation. All the time she's talking to you, she's getting paid to have sex with other guys. If she sends pics or videos just say "Bonita. " When she starts talking about money, ignore her.

99.999999% of the time you're just a machine that spits out 50 k peso notes. The time to talk with her is in the last 10 days before your return trip.

Never, ever send pictures of your junk. Of the 3.5 billion women in the world only 9 want to see pictures of dicks. The only time a woman will ask for a dick pic is when she's trying to get to your wallet. Almost every time they are showing the picture to their friends and laughing hysterically. Fortunately, I never have to see the pictures, but I get to hear the jokes. No matter what they say on Whatsapp, they are not impressed.

[QUOTE=Combo;2071300]

That's the most likely. Don't send money. And don't maintain links with these chicas when you're outside of Colombia. Nothing to be gained from them knowing a thing about you -- starting with how to contact you.[/QUOTE]A monger I met last year gave me excellent advice about prepagos and which ones are worth maintaining contact with. The ones who always want / talk about money and always talk about themselves you should stay away from. Just money holes. Others can actually be decent and useful to know if you need info.

Trust me the money hungry ones will come running when you want to fuck them. Just be unavailable to everything else. You can even block and unblock as needed on WhatsApp.

I keep in touch with a handful. All except one are in Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Combo;2071300]No kidding. I'm wondering if the poster is one of the owners. Because I've never seen better than an 8 at the Mansion. And about one-third of the girls would have to pay me to fuck them.

200 k might be overpaying, but certainly not "grossly" so. That said, virtually all the girls will be happy with 150 k. The key is don't tell her a price around her girlfriends. They all want to brag to their friends about how much they are getting paid.

That's the most likely. Don't send money. And don't maintain links with these chicas when you're outside of Colombia. Nothing to be gained from them knowing a thing about you -- starting with how to contact you.[/QUOTE]I don't know how you guys can be that picky, but to each his own. And if the girls aren't so hot, why is the Mansion always booked up?

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[QUOTE=Vatore007;2071199]And they were $10? Some were hot.[/QUOTE]Those were the hot ones, what strip clubs? And thank you.

I was in Medellin about a year ago and was in the Santa Fe mall at Ciudad Comics (don't go there) and they had one of those all-in-one computers. It was perched on a shelf, very precariously by the edge. I picked up a sign to read and I knocked over the computer. It broke and I apologized but on the way out, the manager stopped me and told me I had to pay for the computer. I gave her the finger and left, had lunch and on the way out, security stopped me. I just kept walking to leave the mall but the cops showed up. They wanted to see the damage so I went back to the store with the cops and showed them how the computer was situated. I'm not fluent in Spanish but I can see they agreed with me. The manager wanted $1200 US for the computer. I said I'm not paying it and walked out. The manager tried to stop me and I pushed her (accidentally) into the glass door which shattered. I gave my hands to the cops as if to say "Put the cuffs on me" and they would not, I actually wanted to go to jail because there was no way in hell I was paying for that computer, I'd rather pay the cops off with that money. Not to sound like a dick, but I've been to prison and the thought of going to a Colombian jail did not scare me. But really, I couldn't see me getting arrested for an accident. Besides, I would have just paid the cops once we left anyway. After hours of fighting, I realized I could just pay for it, and then dispute it with my credit card company. So that's what I did and didn't have to pay a dime. Just wish I was there to see the look on their faces when they realized they weren't getting paid.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2071400]Yes. When you go home from Las Vegas do you text your favorite dealer or croupier? "Hey babe look at these pictures of my money. Send me some BJ (blackjack) pics."

If she's really good, really, really good, stay in infrequent contact, but never send money. Also never get into any heavy conversations with her. She's someone you paid for sex on vacation. All the time she's talking to you, she's getting paid to have sex with other guys. If she sends pics or videos just say "Bonita. " When she starts talking about money, ignore her.

99.999999% of the time you're just a machine that spits out 50 k peso notes. The time to talk with her is in the last 10 days before your return trip.

Never, ever send pictures of your junk. Of the 3.5 billion women in the world only 9 want to see pictures of dicks. The only time a woman will ask for a dick pic is when she's trying to get to your wallet. Almost every time they are showing the picture to their friends and laughing hysterically. Fortunately, I never have to see the pictures, but I get to hear the jokes. No matter what they say on Whatsapp, they are not impressed.[/QUOTE]You want to laugh, I had a girl, not a Colombian, a girl here in the states from [URL]match.com[/URL], ask me for a dick pic because she wanted to make sure it wasn't too small. I told her she was a working girl. Truth be told, it is small and I knew at that point I was busted.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;2070688]So after a whole day of massive panicking about this subject but talking it through with close friends and even a lawyer I came.

To the decision of all blocked communications in whatsapp and social media, and as you guys suggested I did not send her a single dime. I was thinking it through and there are two most probable things she is going to do with that money a) most likely buy drugs b) or perhaps use that money to contact a prosecuting attorney. Now there is a problem, I won't hear from her probably unless she tries to contact me through another phone in which I will immediately block, but now I am wondering if what Queen35 said is true, where out of spite she were to go and contact the authorities and even where to go and exaggerate and make up lies like saying I raped her or something like that and that puts me in a criminal list where I would be flagged if I ever where to go back to Colombia. Again the only reason why I am concern is because she is the Colombian variation of ghetto trash biotch. She is addicted to cocaine, emotionally unstable, resides in the piece of shit neighborhood of San Javier, and her ex husband the father of her 4 yr old child is a criminal and is actually incarcerated for homicide. I only knew of these details once I got to know her better, it's not like I knew the girl and her background when I found her in parque lleras in the club above the medellin beer factory LOL. But yeah, all around it would suck not knowing if she actually contacted the authorities and not knowing whether I can go to Colombia or not..[/QUOTE]Are you for real? Extradite you to Colombia? You watch too many movies and too much TV Bro. They can't extradite you to Colombia for this, you're not Pablo Escobar. You really are naïve and gullible, no offense, I'm trying to open your eyes. An extradition is reserved for felons, which you are not. This is a misdemeanor at best, and Colombian cops are lazy as hell. They don't get paid enough to care. And you can totally go back to Colombia.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2071460]Those were the hot ones, what strip clubs? And thank you.[/QUOTE]Top left 2 pics same girl, she works at Conejitas when she's in town but working in the islands till near the end of Sept, the other 2, the one in white t-shirt and the one looking in mirror both work at Barre Ejectiva.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2071458]I don't know how you guys can be that picky, but to each his own. And if the girls aren't so hot, why is the Mansion always booked up?[/QUOTE]-1) It's easy.

-2) No Espanol required.

-3) The girls come to you.

-4) Girls / cedulas are vetted by front desk.

-5) 2 security gates to get thru.

-6) 24 HR security.

-7) You meet like minded mongers that will tell you how great they are the more they drink by the pool.

-8) decent bar, La Cueva, on premesis (sp?) albeit with a rattlesnake for a bartender.

-9) all logistical work is done by reception (Taxis, airport transfer, special events on the trolley, etc).

-10) 4th of July party.

7& 8 are why I will probably never stay there again!

I have to agree, I thought the girls were incredible & would rate at least 2 of them a 10 and several others a 9. JMHO!

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2071475]They don't get paid enough to care.
[/QUOTE]Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!! If see++ didn't believe anyone else who told him the same thing a 1000 different ways, he should believe this. Thanks V!!

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=ChikSika;2070147]I'm a youthful and athletic soon to be 50 year old.

That's the beauty of Colombia.[/QUOTE]Love it! Heading to Bogota tomorrow, then in to Medellin. But first. A quick trip to Victoria's Secret! Thanks!

Full disclosure with respect to numbers 4) and 5) - the place was jacked some time ago, so it's not a place to let down your guard, not there or anywhere else.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2071566]-1) It's easy.

-2) No Espanol required.

-3) The girls come to you.

-4) Girls / cedulas are vetted by front desk.

-5) 2 security gates to get thru.

-6) 24 HR security.

-7) You meet like minded mongers that will tell you how great they are the more they drink by the pool.

-8) decent bar, La Cueva, on premesis (sp?) albeit with a rattlesnake for a bartender.

-9) all logistical work is done by reception (Taxis, airport transfer, special events on the trolley, etc)..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2071458]I don't know how you guys can be that picky, but to each his own. And if the girls aren't so hot, why is the Mansion always booked up?[/QUOTE]Because they only have 12 rooms and there is nothing else like it in MDE or in Colombia for that matter. Because lots of guys are quite happy to fuck a 6. 7 or 8 without worrying about being busted which they'd have to in their home country. Because it offers an instant group of like-minded fellow travelers to hang with. Because a lot of guys that might be afraid to go to Colombia can stay there and have their hands held and be relatively safe.

Look I like the Mansion. I've stayed there 18-20 times over the years (despite speaking Spanish and knowing the city very well). I love the camaraderie with fellow guests and even with the owners and staff. And yes, it's nice to have girls hanging around even if not are all fuckworthy. But if you think 9's and 10's abound, you need to get out more. A lot of the chicas there wouldn't get a 2nd look from us if we saw them walking down the street of our city.

[QUOTE=Combo;2071716]Because they only have 12 rooms and there is nothing else like it in MDE or in Colombia for that matter. Because lots of guys......[/QUOTE]All that, 100%, and also because it is continuously presented here as one of the main spots in Colombia, and it has been so since at least the first time I opened ISG (more than 10 years ago).

[QUOTE=Combo;2071716]
A lot of the chicas there wouldn't get a 2nd look from us if we saw them walking down the street of our city.[/QUOTE]And even more in Medellin! (I literally fall in love every 5 minutes there, just looking at the pretty ladies who walk around).

[QUOTE=Combo;2071716]Because they only have 12 rooms and there is nothing else like it in MDE or in Colombia for that matter. Because lots of guys are quite happy to fuck a 6. 7 or 8 without worrying about being busted which they'd have to in their home country. Because it offers an instant group of like-minded fellow travelers to hang with. Because a lot of guys that might be afraid to go to Colombia can stay there and have their hands held and be relatively safe.

Look I like the Mansion. I've stayed there 18-20 times over the years (despite speaking Spanish and knowing the city very well). I love the camaraderie with fellow guests and even with the owners and staff. And yes, it's nice to have girls hanging around even if not are all fuckworthy. But if you think 9's and 10's abound, you need to get out more. A lot of the chicas there wouldn't get a 2nd look from us if we saw them walking down the street of our city.[/QUOTE]OK then, where are the 10's?

Mansion is good for a few days and if you are new. However, it can get old quick. Very rarely will you see anything about an 8 here, I haven't seen a 9 or 10 at Mansion in the last few years. There are a lot of like minded guys here that you can hang with and 99% are cool but everyone loves to brag / talk about working girl conquests and the same shit over and over. It really gets old fast. The best is the guys who think they are the MAN because they get the mansion girls to surround them with free booze etc.

The whole Luna click is very tiresome and old. Luna has become the defacto leader and that whole stable of girls really does nothing for me at all. I always hope a new stable of girls will come in but haven't seen that happen since I guess no one is actively recruiting.

Overall, I enjoy staying at Mansion for a few days but it can get old quickly.

Hi guys,

I will be spending 3 days in MDE, landing around midnight on a Thursday, as a first timer. After reading extensively about MDE, it doesn't seem like it is a city where a guy can walk into one of these girlie bars and pick a girl that he likes. It is seems like the action is mainly a brothels-like scene (one of my least favorite). Is my understanding correct? What are my options on a late Thursday night arrival? Are sites like photoprepagos a good option. There are many many girls on this site and the prices are reasonable (100 K, 120 K, 150 K).

As a first timer, should I just go ahead and book at the Mansion. It seems like it is a place that has girls on the premises. I am even entertaining Fase 2 although I am reading it is a ripoff. Is it worth it? How far is it from the Mansion?

Any pointers about bars with girls would be appreciated especially that I am the kind that likes to stay with a girl for several days at a time.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=BoroMarl;2071909]Hi guys,
I will be spending 3 days in MDE, landing around midnight on a Thursday, as a first timer. After reading extensively about MDE, it doesn't seem like it is a city where a guy can walk into one of these girlie bars and pick a girl that he likes. It is seems like the action is mainly a brothels-like scene (one of my least favorite). Is my understanding correct? What are my options on a late Thursday night arrival? Are sites like photoprepagos a good option. There are many many girls on this site and the prices are reasonable (100 K, 120 K, 150 K)..[/QUOTE]The strip clubs are like that, you go in, have a drink, pick a girl you like. FaseII is on the expensive side for Medellin, but even that is only around $63 for a girl on site. It's the bar tab that will add up there but there are other cheaper strip clubs down town where the girls are in the $30 range. The problem with the photoprepago sites are does the girl look like her pics or has she gained weight or she she a psycho etc.

The upscale ones:

FaseII-Cra. 44 #30-15.

[URL]http://www.clubfasedos.com/[/URL]

Bar La Isla-Las Palmas Medellin.

Grill San Diego-Calle 37 No. 45-15.

Luna Lunera-Calle 33 63 b-215.

[URL]http://lunalunera.com.co[/URL]

The cheaper ones:

Barra Ejecutiva-Calle 53 #48-20.

And 2 doors down:

Maracaibo-Calle 53 #49-30.

Conejitas Show Bar-Calle 53 #51-41.

And a few doors to the right:

Grille Nueva Avenida.

There are a few more I haven't been to also.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2071817]OK then, where are the 10's?[/QUOTE]This is a persistent question. 99.9% of girls are not P4 P. Go through top MDE clubs, take a look at civilians, there you will find literally tens of 10. From what I see, there are higher P4 P tiers, one at 600 K to 1,200 K and the second from 3,000 K to $6,000 K per hour (here are your 10's).

So, you can chase non-pros, be delusional that you can find them on the streets or in casas, be lucky at tier 1 or be affluent to get them at top tier.

[QUOTE=BoroMarl;2071909]Any pointers about bars with girls would be appreciated especially that I am the kind that likes to stay with a girl for several days at a time.[/QUOTE]All the strip clubs allow the girls to leave with you if you pay the bar fee, about $16 in the cheap clubs, more in the upscale clubs, you just have to bargain with the girl for what she wants, usually somewhere between $66 and $100 for the cheaper clubs girls for all night.

These are some of the girls I have pulled from the downtown clubs for all nighters.

[QUOTE=Questner;2071984]This is a persistent question. 99.9% of girls are not P4 P. Go through top MDE clubs, take a look at civilians, there you will find literally tens of 10.[/QUOTE]Do blind mongers have this problem? I am just happy to be having some fun and getting some pussy. Having to worry about going around rating everyone would drive me crazy.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2071817]OK then, where are the 10's?[/QUOTE]Moda Colombia, not the Mansion.

Sometimes mongering isn't optimal during and after a pope visit.

[URL]https://www.franciscanmedia.org/pope-to-visit-colombia-as-it-emerges-from-half-century-of-war/[/URL]

Pope Francis will be visiting Colombia in mid-September as the Latin American nation works to implement a new peace deal and rebuild after 52 years of war.

The Vatican announced March 10 that the pope had accepted the invitation of President Juan Manuel Santos and the Colombian bishops.

The trip, Sept. 6-11, will include visits to the cities of Bogota, Villavicencio, Medellin and Cartagena. Details of the trip were to be published at a later date.

[QUOTE=BoroMarl;2071909]Hi guys,

I will be spending 3 days in MDE, landing around midnight on a Thursday, as a first timer. After reading extensively about MDE, it doesn't seem like it is a city where a guy can walk into one of these girlie bars and pick a girl that he likes. It is seems like the action is mainly a brothels-like scene (one of my least favorite). Is my understanding correct? What are my options on a late Thursday night arrival? Are sites like photoprepagos a good option. There are many many girls on this site and the prices are reasonable (100 K, 120 K, 150 K).

As a first timer, should I just go ahead and book at the Mansion. It seems like it is a place that has girls on the premises. I am even entertaining Fase 2 although I am reading it is a ripoff. Is it worth it? How far is it from the Mansion?

Any pointers about bars with girls would be appreciated especially that I am the kind that likes to stay with a girl for several days at a time.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Three days is too short a time to stay in Medellin and actually get a good idea of what the city can offer as far as women.

So, yes book a room at the Mansion if they have any availability. Hit the pool at the Mansion during the day and the Cueva bar at night until about 11 pm. If you don't see anything that really turns you on at the Mansion bar then go to the strip clubs.

Any guy that stays with a girl for several days. Has to be into GFE which you are much more likely to find with a Mansion chick then at a strip club.

But all strip club chicks can spend the night with you if you pay the bar fine to get them out.

I also have girls stay with me for days or even weeks at a time. But you have to make some kind of a connection with these women and that takes time. I find FaceBook invaluable in finding women that would rather sell their ass for a week to one guy rather than sell it to a dozen guys for an hour at a time.

[QUOTE=BoroMarl;2071909]After reading extensively about MDE, it doesn't seem like it is a city where a guy can walk into one of these girlie bars and pick a girl that he likes.[/QUOTE]Your perception is based on what you read here and on the orientation of most posters.

Indeed, ANY bar of the Centro is like that. Around De Greiff and the streets of Raudal, there are tons of bars, aside one after the other. The problem is that it should be considered off limits for most foreigners (don't venture).

[QUOTE=Questner;2071984]This is a persistent question. 99.9% of girls are not P4 P. Go through top MDE clubs, take a look at civilians, there you will find literally tens of 10.[/QUOTE]Well said. And of course, no hope with non P4P for 99.999% of the readers of this forum. ALSO men in Colombia are handsome, not only girls. And yes, there are many 10's also among boys. Rich too.
In conclusion, if you look as Brad Pitt and drive a Ferrari, then you'll have your good chance to pull non-P4P 10's out from high-society clubs.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2071985]
These are some of the girls I have pulled from the downtown clubs for all nighters.[/QUOTE]All very far from being 10's.

However, I may share your enthusiam. The physical look and body features are not the only or even the main things that make a girl attractive and sexy. There's something else, and yes it can be found anywhere.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2072032]Three days is too short a time to stay in Medellin and actually get a good idea of what the city can offer as far as women.[/QUOTE]Totally true about the short stay in MDE. I am pretty aware I would get much better if I only could stay months there for living and working.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2072032]So, yes book a room at the Mansion if they have any availability. [/QUOTE]See? Again. There must be a reason if it's always fully booked. (besides the undisputed fact that the owners are cool and the service good, at least for that market target).

I have been messaging providers on paisasdivinas and photosprepagos and getting rates of 600-700 for TLN. Is that the norm now or should I be negotiating with them for a lower rate?

[QUOTE=Drew9876;2072178]I have been messaging providers on paisasdivinas and photosprepagos and getting rates of 600-700 for TLN. Is that the norm now or should I be negotiating with them for a lower rate?[/QUOTE]Are you in Medellin now with dick in hand and ready to fuck? If not, then I would say messaging them for what? You are just browsing, bka wasting their time. It is like when you are driving past a car lot and see those big numbers on the windshield. When you pull up in the lot with cash in hand you get bargaining power.

[QUOTE=Drew9876;2072178]I have been messaging providers on paisasdivinas and photosprepagos and getting rates of 600-700 for TLN. Is that the norm now or should I be negotiating with them for a lower rate?[/QUOTE]Never agree to TLN with some stranger from an ad site. The only time to negotiate with a stranger of an ad site for TLN is if you have reason to believe the world will end at 4 am.

In a city where you can get laid for the price of 3 Happy Meals why would you consider giving $200 or more to spend the night with a complete unknown?

You're better off negotiating for 1 hour at no more than 150 k. If she's really good, offer double and dinner plus taxi for TLN. Best bet is to find a wingman and hit casas or clubs. Unless that's a complete turn off.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2072014]Moda Colombia, not the Mansion.[/QUOTE]Where is that?

[QUOTE=Drew9876;2072178]I have been messaging providers on paisasdivinas and photosprepagos and getting rates of 600-700 for TLN. Is that the norm now or should I be negotiating with them for a lower rate?[/QUOTE]I've only paid 250 k to 300 k but those were [URL]SeekingArrangements.com[/URL] and Centro strip club girls.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2072104]All very far from being 10's.
However, I may share your enthusiam. The physical look and body features are not the only or even the main things that make a girl attractive and sexy. There's something else, and yes it can be found anywhere.
[/QUOTE]Beauty being in the eye of the beholder of course and therefore subjective and a sweet attitude does go a long way but I wouldn't call Tanya "far from a 10" in looks but then I know how sweet she is and what she looks like naked. I'd say she's a solid 8 bordering on a 9. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Combo;2071716]Because they only have 12 rooms and there is nothing else like it in MDE or in Colombia for that matter. Because lots of guys are quite happy to fuck a 6. 7 or 8 without worrying about being busted which they'd have to in their home country. Because it offers an instant group of like-minded fellow travelers to hang with. Because a lot of guys that might be afraid to go to Colombia can stay there and have their hands held and be relatively safe.

Look I like the Mansion. I've stayed there 18-20 times over the years (despite speaking Spanish and knowing the city very well). I love the camaraderie with fellow guests and even with the owners and staff. And yes, it's nice to have girls hanging around even if not are all fuckworthy. But if you think 9's and 10's abound, you need to get out more. A lot of the chicas there wouldn't get a 2nd look from us if we saw them walking down the street of our city.[/QUOTE]I never said 9's and 10's abound.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2072239]Are you in Medellin now with dick in hand and ready to fuck? If not, then I would say messaging them for what? You are just browsing, bka wasting their time. It is like when you are driving past a car lot and see those big numbers on the windshield. When you pull up in the lot with cash in hand you get bargaining power.[/QUOTE]The guys doing some research and legwork, leave him alone. Everyone loves to act like they are so wise on this forum. You're mongering, it's sex for money, not rocket science.

So these are 10's, correct?

[QUOTE=Drew9876;2072178]I have been messaging providers on paisasdivinas and photosprepagos and getting rates of 600-700 for TLN. Is that the norm now or should I be negotiating with them for a lower rate?[/QUOTE]What's TLN? And do you mean 600.000 pesos or 600 dollars?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2072013]Do blind mongers have this problem? I am just happy to be having some fun and getting some pussy. Having to worry about going around rating everyone would drive me crazy.[/QUOTE]Exactly, just have fun!

Who cares what number someone else attaches to a girl's beauty.

So subjective anyway.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2072315]Beauty being in the eye of the beholder of course and therefore subjective and a sweet attitude does go a long way.[/QUOTE]Right on brotha!

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2072335]The guys doing some research and legwork, leave him alone. Everyone loves to act like they are so wise on this forum. You're mongering, it's sex for money, not rocket science.[/QUOTE]He's not doing legwork. That's what Wolf662 and several others do. They walk the streets, finding the women and then post the results. He's not doing research. If he did some research he would know that what he is doing is, at best a waste of time and at worst a ruined trip.

The people here who act so wise are people who got wise by making mistakes and learning from them. Now they are nice enough to try and help others avoid repeating their mistakes.

For the guy asking, TLN is "Toda La Noche" or all night. The prices he is being quoted are in Colombian pesos. 600,000 COP is about $200 USD. Any Colombian woman quoting prices in dollars should be avoided, but you're unlikely to find that.

There are many women here who will carry on long Whatsapp exchanges with you. Every few days they will have a family emergency and can you please send money.

Most of the women advertising on the sites are only interested in talking to you when you are ready to do business. Whatever deal you make with them disappears once they find out you're not even in the country. Trying to schedule with them more than a few hours in advance is a waste of time. Someone else will call and they've forgotten about you.

Planning TLN with a stranger from an ad site is a bad idea, especially if she's quoting 600 k. Research will show that many use fake or outdated pictures. There's also no way to gauge her performance. Even if she shows up looking incredible, she might be lousy, she might not do what you want or she might have hygiene issues. By the time you discover the problem she's expecting the TLN rate.

If you insist on trying to preschedule, don't bother until you're under 24 hours away. Schedule 1 hour, not TLN. Expect her to be 30 to 120 minutes late. Don't be surprised if she's a no show.

[QUOTE=Drew9876;2072178]I have been messaging providers on paisasdivinas and photosprepagos and getting rates of 600-700 for TLN. Is that the norm now or should I be negotiating with them for a lower rate?[/QUOTE]Should be closer to 400 k or less for TLN. Certainly not 600 k. BTW, they usually start high because they expect you to bargain them down, but in your case they're looking to see if they can get an astronomical price. They probably don't want to TLN With someone they never met.

Save yourself some time, and their time, get off the silly back pages and go meet them face to face. It's really much better.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2072343]What's TLN? And do you mean 600.000 pesos or 600 dollars?[/QUOTE]TLN=Toda La Noche or All night long.

Those would be in pesos so around $200, good for the US, very high for MDE.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2072339]So these are 10's, correct?[/QUOTE]I'd say 8's & 9's. For some 10's I'd say see the Colombian women in the 1st 40 seconds of the video on this page-upper right corner in a browser, half way down the page on a cel- the vid is a good intro to the MDE adult scene also for 1st timers anyway, although the prices are a little high since it was made before the peso dropped:

[URL]http://colombia.adultsearch.com/medellin/[/URL]

Have a few hh sessions w the girls before contemplating about TLN with them.

[QUOTE=Drew9876;2072178]I have been messaging providers on paisasdivinas and photosprepagos and getting rates of 600-700 for TLN. Is that the norm now or should I be negotiating with them for a lower rate?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gwl8012;2072023]Sometimes mongering isn't optimal during and after a pope visit.

[URL]https://www.franciscanmedia.org/pope-to-visit-colombia-as-it-emerges-from-half-century-of-war/[/URL]

Pope Francis will be visiting Colombia in mid-September as the Latin American nation works to implement a new peace deal and rebuild after 52 years of war.

The Vatican announced March 10 that the pope had accepted the invitation of President Juan Manuel Santos and the Colombian bishops.

The trip, Sept. 6-11, will include visits to the cities of Bogota, Villavicencio, Medellin and Cartagena. Details of the trip were to be published at a later date.[/QUOTE]My two hooker friends in Cartagena told me it should be business as usual. Luckily for me he arrives in Cartagena on my last day so I should be wifed up and good by then. I hope the extra security won't be too crazy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2072013]Do blind mongers have this problem? I am just happy to be having some fun and getting some pussy. Having to worry about going around rating everyone would drive me crazy.[/QUOTE]Same here. I am into above average looks and with a good heart.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2072394]He's not doing legwork. That's what Wolf662 and several others do. They walk the streets, finding the women and then post the results. He's not doing research. If he did some research he would know that what he is doing is, at best a waste of time and at worst a ruined trip.
...........[/QUOTE]I second all that. Only wise words in this post! Anyone disagreeing with that has no clue of what is this hobby and what is Colombia.

By the way, anyone who wastes time (his time and time of the providers) on web escort sites, before even coming to Medellin, deserves to be overcharged and "punished".

Negotiating TLN with someone never met before? NEVER. They know it well, and they are probably exploring the opportunity to suck money with some scam (incl. US price 400 USD for a lousy experience).

Exploring those web sites? NEVER, at least in Colombia, where at every corner you see a dream of your life.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2072519]Negotiating TLN with someone never met before? NEVER.[/QUOTE]Like Jj said, we are just trying to pass the shit on that we learned the hard way. And to tell the truth this is a lesson that I just recently learned. And luckily I was in the Philippines when I learned it so it was not as expensive as the 600K talk going on now.

Just this past May I met a chick on a chat app and had her come over for all night $23. Well when she got there she was not to my liking. Her feet were all dirty, teeth messed up, and breath smelled terrible. I had no problem turning her loose with full payment after the first round. That was only $23. No way I would take that risk with $200 at stake.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2072315]Beauty being in the eye of the beholder of course and therefore subjective and a sweet attitude does go a long way but I wouldn't call Tanya "far from a 10" in looks but then I know how sweet she is and what she looks like naked. I'd say she's a solid 8 bordering on a 9. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Far as I can tell she looks pretty hot. By the way, where is that pic taken? I'm always looking for a nice atmosphere to chill in El Centro. Thanks for the post!

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2072664]Far as I can tell she looks pretty hot. By the way, where is that pic taken? I'm always looking for a nice atmosphere to chill in El Centro. Thanks for the post![/QUOTE]That's the roof top bar at the Hotel Botero Medellin, Carrera 50 A No. 53-45.

Behind Hotel Nutribara where the buses to the airport park.

It's on the roof, 15 stories up and opens at 11:30 am.

Here's a video I took from there if you want to see more of what it looks like and Tanya too!

[URL]https://youtu.be/48fn1Nlw_is[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2072575]Like Jj said, we are just trying to pass the shit on that we learned the hard way. And to tell the truth this is a lesson that I just recently learned. And luckily I was in the Philippines when I learned it so it was not as expensive as the 600K talk going on now.[/QUOTE]Philippines is another world. I admit I've never been there (I don't know how could I justify a trip there for business reasons. The cover is getting short for KL and Singapore already, imagine for Thailand or Philippines), BUT I've read enough to allow me to claim I am somehow "expert" of pros and cons there. And Pinays have always been my favourite fetish among all Asians (I've been with many, also some in my country in Europe, but not in their homeland, UNFORTUNATELY).

So, this long foreword to say what. Philippines is another world, compared to Colombia. Everything is much cheaper, and that makes the risk of our business much more affordable. But, as Colombia can be, it is full of scammers. I don't know why, but there is a whole lot of difference between Pinays met overseas and who can be faced in their country. If I hire a Pinay maid in Europe, I KNOW I can give her my home keys and everything will be safe. No joke. Those ladies are 100% reliable and honest. The back side of the coin is that if I cross the path of a Pinay girl in the street in my country, I will be fully transparent for her. No way to flirt. They seem to only walk from home to workplace to church and back.
Conversely, as you probably know well, in Philippines one meets a potential good girlfriend or lover every 5 minutes, but also should be extremely careful with new girls met not only in night places.

In short, I think it could have been worse for you. In your case, the girl was simply ugly and dirty. Imagine you take home a scammer who tries to steal something, or brings drug and calls police friends to make some money with the foreigner, or simply comes and do nothing.

What I learned, doing my mistakes and paying my bill, is to plan and negotiate just for a ST, in call cases with any girl from any source, could be the top night club in town or the street corner where drug addicts gather. There is always the opportunity to extend, the same night or in the future, but only with who "deserves it".

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2072407]I'd say 8's & 9's. For some 10's I'd say see the Colombian women in the 1st 40 seconds of the video on this page-upper right corner in a browser, half way down the page on a cel- the vid is a good intro to the MDE adult scene also for 1st timers anyway, although the prices are a little high since it was made before the peso dropped:

[URL]http://colombia.adultsearch.com/medellin/[/URL][/QUOTE]Correction, the vid is in the upper left hand corner of the webpage. Woops!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2072262]Never agree to TLN with some stranger from an ad site. The only time to negotiate with a stranger of an ad site for TLN is if you have reason to believe the world will end at 4 am.

In a city where you can get laid for the price of 3 Happy Meals why would you consider giving $200 or more to spend the night with a complete unknown?

You're better off negotiating for 1 hour at no more than 150 k. If she's really good, offer double and dinner plus taxi for TLN. Best bet is to find a wingman and hit casas or clubs. Unless that's a complete turn off.[/QUOTE]If I truly believed the world was going to end, I would be hiring all the tens I could find. At least until the credit card reached its limit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2072575]... Just this past May I met a chick on a chat app and had her come over for all night $23. Well when she got there she was not to my liking. Her feet were all dirty, teeth messed up, and breath smelled terrible. I had no problem turning her loose with full payment after the first round. That was only $23. No way I would take that risk with $200 at stake.[/QUOTE]After the FIRST round? Shit I would have turned her away at the door. LMAO.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2072394]He's not doing legwork. That's what Wolf662 and several others do. They walk the streets, finding the women and then post the results. He's not doing research. If he did some research he would know that what he is doing is, at best a waste of time and at worst a ruined trip.

The people here who act so wise are people who got wise by making mistakes and learning from them. Now they are nice enough to try and help others avoid repeating their mistakes.

For the guy asking, TLN is "Toda La Noche" or all night. The prices he is being quoted are in Colombian pesos. 600,000 COP is about $200 USD. Any Colombian woman quoting prices in dollars should be avoided, but you're unlikely to find that.

There are many women here who will carry on long Whatsapp exchanges with you. Every few days they will have a family emergency and can you please send money.

Most of the women advertising on the sites are only interested in talking to you when you are ready to do business. Whatever deal you make with them disappears once they find out you're not even in the country. Trying to schedule with them more than a few hours in advance is a waste of time. Someone else will call and they've forgotten about you..[/QUOTE]It's legwork because it gives him a frame of reference. What other kind of legwork can he do from the states? Not so wise.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2072519]I second all that. Only wise words in this post! Anyone disagreeing with that has no clue of what is this hobby and what is Colombia.

By the way, anyone who wastes time (his time and time of the providers) on web escort sites, before even coming to Medellin, deserves to be overcharged and "punished".

Negotiating TLN with someone never met before? NEVER. They know it well, and they are probably exploring the opportunity to suck money with some scam (incl. US price 400 USD for a lousy experience).

Exploring those web sites? NEVER, at least in Colombia, where at every corner you see a dream of your life.[/QUOTE]Knowledge is never a waste, this guy is doing legwork because legwork is what comes before the actual work of walking around the city looking for a girl. That's why it's called legwork. This guy now has a frame of reference when he goes, something to go on rather than nothing and the rantings and ravings of you guys, which are not exactly trustworthy at best. It's not a complete waste of time, it's common sense, has nothing to do with knowing the hobby.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2072575]Just this past May I met a chick on a chat app and had her come over for all night $23. Well when she got there she was not to my liking. Her feet were all dirty, teeth messed up, and breath smelled terrible. I had no problem turning her loose with full payment after the first round. That was only $23. No way I would take that risk with $200 at stake.[/QUOTE]The phrase "you get what you pay for" comes to mind. It's not always the case, but in this case it definitely applies. Did she leave her glue and crack pipe outside your door?

A quick report, I used the list and map to get a head start. The 1st night I used Linda's chicas. 120 k for an hour. 6 girls to choose from. Decent place with plenty of room. El Centro was the next pursuit. A lot to choose from. A beautiful estafana was there. 30 k, 10 k room (her choice not horrible) probably 30 minutes session. Didn't have a stopwatch. Used Linda's chica again and another good experience.

The name slips my mind but #2. Aims to please. Same 120 k for hour. Then I mess up near the church on de Graff. I was just chatting with a girl when one I had interest in earlier approached. Now they wanted a 3 way of course. 50 k a piece, 60 k for room that was worse than the 10k room a block over. Upsells start immediately for anything. 20 k for tops off. Well time comes for leche so they earned that propina gagging all the way to the bathroom. 100 k a piece before it's over. One worth meeting again but now I've inflated the price. The list of drivers on the pdf was pretty useless as most numbers are outdated. Bucky even hung up when I told him where I got the number. Robert was now a girl number, Hector and Nick also had outdated numbers. Hopefully check out some cases next. Appreciate all the information fellas.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2073063]Knowledge is never a waste, this guy is doing legwork because legwork is what comes before the actual work of walking around the city looking for a girl. That's why it's called legwork. This guy now has a frame of reference when he goes, something to go on rather than nothing and the rantings and ravings of you guys, which are not exactly trustworthy at best. It's not a complete waste of time, it's common sense, has nothing to do with knowing the hobby.[/QUOTE]Anyone making their first trip to Medellin shouldn't be negotiating for TLN with girls off the ad sites. Anyone doing the legwork would know. This. They would also know 600 k is too much.

[QUOTE=Socker;2070069]No ones got the taste to give you kudos but I do. That is one of the hottest pics in the history of ISG. Well done!

How about posting a few more of these 3 in the PG? I'm guessing it gets better w / those sexy chicas.

Thanks much for posting the pic.[/QUOTE]Thank you sir! I agree, it's one of my better sessions ever!

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2072760]After the FIRST round? Shit I would have turned her away at the door. LMAO.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Mr. E usually comes across as one hard customer. I couldn't believe that he didn't do that either.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2073200]The phrase "you get what you pay for" comes to mind. It's not always the case, but in this case it definitely applies. Did she leave her glue and crack pipe outside your door?[/QUOTE]LOL. When the average monthly wage is $161, $23 for 1 night is nothing to turn your nose up at. That is 1 week's salary. I should have known something was wrong when that broad had her mouth closed on all of her pictures. 10,000 pictures and her mouth was closed on every single one.

[QUOTE=Bonhead;2073286]Thank you sir! I agree, it's one of my better sessions ever![/QUOTE]I forgot to put you handle on my post so I screwed up a bit but glad to see your post here. Yes, that looks like monger heaven if I ever saw it. All 3 of them are showing their lust for that toy, and the real thing.

That one photo proves you have hella skill in this sport.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2073366]LOL. When the average monthly wage is $161, $23 for 1 night is nothing to turn your nose up at. That is 1 week's salary. I should have known something was wrong when that broad had her mouth closed on all of her pictures. 10,000 pictures and her mouth was closed on every single one.[/QUOTE][URL]https://colombiareports.com/colombias-average-salary-lower-than-global-average/[/URL]

The average monthly wage was $692 in 2012, and it must have increased since.

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2073223]A quick report, I used the list and map to get a head start. The 1st night I used Linda's chicas. 120 k for an hour. 6 girls to choose from. Decent place with plenty of room. El Centro was the next pursuit. A lot to choose from. A beautiful estafana was there. 30 k, 10 k room (her choice not horrible) probably 30 minutes session. Didn't have a stopwatch. Used Linda's chica again and another good experience.

The name slips my mind but #2. Aims to please. Same 120 k for hour. Then I mess up near the church on de Graff. I was just chatting with a girl when one I had interest in earlier approached. Now they wanted a 3 way of course. 50 k a piece, 60 k for room that was worse than the 10k room a block over. Upsells start immediately for anything. 20 k for tops off. Well time comes for leche so they earned that propina gagging all the way to the bathroom. 100 k a piece before it's over. One worth meeting again but now I've inflated the price. The list of drivers on the pdf was pretty useless as most numbers are outdated. Bucky even hung up when I told him where I got the number. Robert was now a girl number, Hector and Nick also had outdated numbers. Hopefully check out some cases next. Appreciate all the information fellas.

[/QUOTE]The last time I was in Lindas Chicas (Casa de Piedra) Linda, the owner called and brought in a girl, a young beautiful dyed blond, an 8. 5. She charged me 200 k / HR and asked the girl what she wanted to drink. The girl ordered a whisky (a normal practice I think), so the drink was automatically added to my tab to a total of 280 K when I checked out. 120 K sounds low to me. Did she ask the chica if she wanted drinks? Linda has a few girls live at the premises and can call in a lot more. It looks like she has access to a long list of available chicas outside. I never returned because of the price of the chicas and the drinks that was added to my tab. But for 120 K an hour, I would consider a return visit.

I can't be sure it's the same. It is on calle 45 g.

Didn't pressure me for drinks. I had to ask for a beer before a second pop. Also saw that long list mentioned but only 6 girls on offer. Oral al natural is included if desired so no extra propina. She wouldn't send the girl to my apartment the 1st time but after that It was fine. Also the girl stayed tln on her own without asking for more money. (Except taxi) so was 170,000 for a great time. Obviously mileage will vary but I have been satisfied. Also for those who say Centro is not dangerous are crazy. 2 people robbed at gunpoint and I saw a chica almost beat to death last night while everyone stood and watched.

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;2073504]The last time I was in Lindas Chicas (Casa de Piedra) Linda, the owner called and brought in a girl, a young beautiful dyed blond, an 8. 5. She charged me 200 k / HR and asked the girl what she wanted to drink. The girl ordered a whisky (a normal practice I think), so the drink was automatically added to my tab to a total of 280 K when I checked out. 120 K sounds low to me. Did she ask the chica if she wanted drinks? Linda has a few girls live at the premises and can call in a lot more. It looks like she has access to a long list of available chicas outside. I never returned because of the price of the chicas and the drinks that was added to my tab. But for 120 K an hour, I would consider a return visit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2073366]LOL. When the average monthly wage is $161, $23 for 1 night is nothing to turn your nose up at. That is 1 week's salary. I should have known something was wrong when that broad had her mouth closed on all of her pictures. 10,000 pictures and her mouth was closed on every single one.[/QUOTE]Nice try, but a minimum wage worker makes closer to $23 for 2 days rather than per week. And they don't have to suck gringo cock.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2073474][URL]https://colombiareports.com/colombias-average-salary-lower-than-global-average/[/URL]

The average monthly wage was $692 in 2012, and it must have increased since.[/QUOTE]I believe he is talking about the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2073474][URL]https://colombiareports.com/colombias-average-salary-lower-than-global-average/[/URL]

The average monthly wage was $692 in 2012, and it must have increased since.[/QUOTE]That may be the average salary. But most hookers don't have the skills to make more than minimum wage, which in 2017, it's about 800,000 COP, which is about $270.

The calculation sounds right.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2073537]Nice try, but a minimum wage worker makes closer to $23 for 2 days rather than per week. And they don't have to suck gringo cock.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2073533]I can't be sure it's the same. It is on calle 45 g.[/QUOTE]Linda Chicas is Calle 58#50 a54 (alongside Ave Oriental).

[QUOTE=Queens35;2073537]Nice try, but a minimum wage worker makes closer to $23 for 2 days rather than per week. And they don't have to suck gringo cock.[/QUOTE]I think you and Vatore missed the part when I said this happened in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2073571]I think you and Vatore missed the part when I said this happened in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Gosh, how could we have assumed it was Colombia? Stupid us.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2073573]Gosh, how could we have assumed it was Colombia? Stupid us.[/QUOTE]In his defense, he did clearly state in the original post that it was in the Philippines. It just got lost in all the quotes.

Quick trip report, just getting back from Medellin for a week.

Hit all the normal spots in Centro; casas, strip clubs, the street.

I found the casas as always, hit and miss.

If you have the patience and visit a bunch, you'll eventually find something you like, and occasionally something you really like.

The street is an interesting walk, seeing mostly scags, glue sniffers, and street urchins, though again, you can find some good keepers.

Most definitely keep your eye out for bad dudes lurking, they are definitely out there, especially at night, and even more so after like 10 pm.

I found and absolute diamond, 18 year old, out there a couple visits ago, we've now become amigovios, and we just meet up at nicer motels for fun.

I bring her some gifts from the US and a little cash, and the total GFE is on.

The strip clubs in Centro were great this trip!

Mostly because I met 2 keepers, both beautiful and sexy, and also very sweet.

One in particular I Ubered over to my place twice for maybe the best love making sex ever, for me.

I'm in Brazil a lot, and always rate the Brazileiras a bit above the Colombianas, for performance, in general.

This particular girl though, rocked me. Not a Paisa, but a Calea, just awesome.

Stopped by the Mansion a couple times, the usual, a few hot chicas, a few fatties, and a few over-macho guys, showing how they're the man, LOL.

I like the place, great for newbies, or guys that want to be spoon fed, and that's all cool if that's what ya want.

I generally find the girls there, over-gringoed, meaning they've been around enough, and just don't have the sweetness anymore, but not bad.

Anyway, great trip.

Actually heading back for a quick visit soon to hook up with my favorite I met at the strip club, and my street diamond.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2072407]I'd say 8's & 9's. For some 10's I'd say see the Colombian women in the 1st 40 seconds of the video on this page-upper right corner in a browser, half way down the page on a cel- the vid is a good intro to the MDE adult scene also for 1st timers anyway, although the prices are a little high since it was made before the peso dropped:

[URL]http://colombia.adultsearch.com/medellin/[/URL][/QUOTE]What was the high class casa did the guy say in the video at 07:50? Lutra?

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2073542]Linda Chicas is Calle 58#50 a54 (alongside Ave Oriental).[/QUOTE]They also go by Linda's chicas.

[QUOTE=Sho423;2073811]What was the high class casa did the guy say in the video at 07:50? Lutra?[/QUOTE]I think it is Loutron. [URL]http://loutron.co/medellin/#gallery[/URL]

I will be arriving in Medellin after a 4 night stay in Bogota. I plan to be in MDE from August 28th until the morning of September 4th. If anyone is in town and willing to show a newbie the ropes PM me or reply- the first round is on me.

Of course there will be a trip report afterwards.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2073823]I think it is Loutron. [URL]http://loutron.co/medellin/#gallery[/URL][/QUOTE]I was there, like 10 years ago, they had a nice selection, very diverse, I scored a solid 9, I would say a 10 but guys on here are jaded, so I'll try to score by them, but hot girls by any standard because they had all types. It was $90 back then but with today's exchange rate, probably much less like 60 ish if my math is right, unless they increased the price, which they must have by now.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2073571]I think you and Vatore missed the part when I said this happened in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]I know I missed that part!

[QUOTE=Sho423;2073811]What was the high class casa did the guy say in the video at 07:50? Lutra?[/QUOTE]Loutron Spa.

Calle 16 a#9 e-500.

M-W 12-10.

T / F 12-11.

Sat 12-8.

A little tricky to find, look for that big gate while going up the hill on the right.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2002804]Let me try again.[/QUOTE]I'm talking to some of those girls as well, what did they quote you? I've been told 1.000.000 pesos so far.

Minimum wage in Medellin is 747 000 pesos per month, with transportation allowance 820000 per month. The work week is 6 days so 48 hour weeks is the norm. Around 50% of employees in Medellin are paid minimum wage only.

I walked by Abydos on Avenida 33 and the place is for rent. That was one of the more upscale locations. I called their phone number but no answer. The same owner also owns / owned other upscale locations.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2073366]LOL. When the average monthly wage is $161, $23 for 1 night is nothing to turn your nose up at. That is 1 week's salary. I should have known something was wrong when that broad had her mouth closed on all of her pictures. 10,000 pictures and her mouth was closed on every single one.[/QUOTE]Hey, that's odd:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2037830&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2037830.
Look for post #20399.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2073894]Hey, that's odd:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2037830&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2037830.
Look for post #20399.[/QUOTE]What's odd about it? Her mouth is closed on those pics as well.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2073886]I'm talking to some of those girls as well, what did they quote you? I've been told 1.000.000 pesos so far.[/QUOTE]Ouch, I PM'ed about a dozen of them before my 1st trip back in Feb, got amounts from 200 k up to 6 million! Did two dates at the 300 k for TLN, ended up liking the redhead Sofie, will be seeing her again when I am in town in Sept. The other girl was heavier then her pics, did coke and was kinda a wacko.

Pics: redhead, cool chick Sofie, wacko Malejaea and the 6 million girl (who I thought was hot but not $2,000 hot. LOL).

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2073832]I was there, like 10 years ago, they had a nice selection, very diverse, I scored a solid 9, I would say a 10 but guys on here are jaded, so I'll try to score by them, but hot girls by any standard because they had all types. It was $90 back then but with today's exchange rate, probably much less like 60 ish if my math is right, unless they increased the price, which they must have by now.[/QUOTE]Oh nice! How many girls were working at the time you were there?

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2073832]I was there, like 10 years ago, they had a nice selection, very diverse, I scored a solid 9, I would say a 10 but guys on here are jaded, so I'll try to score by them, but hot girls by any standard because they had all types. It was $90 back then but with today's exchange rate, probably much less like 60 ish if my math is right, unless they increased the price, which they must have by now.[/QUOTE]It went to shit (from my point of you) since then. Last time I went, six months back, it was all older and silicone. I hated it. Before they had some natural girl selection. Caters to higher strata Colombians, who are lot wealthier than the average tourist. That crowd apparently prefers silicone.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2073905]What's odd about it? Her mouth is closed on those pics as well.[/QUOTE]I quote from your original post:

"Just this past May I met a chick on a chat app and had her come over for all night $23. Well when she got there she was not to my liking. Her feet were all dirty, teeth messed up, and breath smelled terrible. I had no problem turning her loose with full payment after the first round. That was only $23. No way I would take that risk with $200 at stake."

You say you turned her loose after the first round but the other pics show you took her out for dinner.

Have been putting off on going to Medellin for some time. I decided I should just go and see if Medellin is my type. But by checking for availabilities in the mansion. It seems like it's going to be full till September 10. I would like to go earlier than that, but my Spanish is non existent. Anyone think it's best if I go when the mansion frees up or just plunge in like I did when I went to FKK? I have been looking at photo galleries in another similar website with the pictures of some girls like case did etc, but find most of them not to my taste. But when looking at Luna luneras insta photos. I find those girls very hot. Can't see the face though. I have also been contemplating between Medellin and Sao Paulo, one day I will go to the other one. But would really like to see the scene in Medellin.Have also been friending girls on facebook,fyi a 10 for me would be like jynx maze look, Megan Salinas and the body type of harley dean.dont necessarily have to be dark skin or fair.Any advice would help. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2073971]I quote from your original post:

"Just this past May I met a chick on a chat app and had her come over for all night $23. Well when she got there she was not to my liking. Her feet were all dirty, teeth messed up, and breath smelled terrible. I had no problem turning her loose with full payment after the first round. That was only $23. No way I would take that risk with $200 at stake."

You say you turned her loose after the first round but the other pics show you took her out for dinner.[/QUOTE]Really? You really care about that?

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2073985]Have been putting off on going to Medellin for some time. I decided I should just go and see if Medellin is my type. But by checking for availabilities in the mansion. It seems like it's going to be full till September 10. I would like to go earlier than that, but my Spanish is non existent. Anyone think it's best if I go when the mansion frees up or just plunge in like I did when I went to FKK? I have been looking at photo galleries in another similar website with the pictures of some girls like case did etc, but find most of them not to my taste. But when looking at Luna luneras insta photos. I find those girls very hot. Can't see the face though. I have also been contemplating between Medellin and Sao Paulo, one day I will go to the other one. But would really like to see the scene in Medellin.Have also been friending girls on facebook,fyi a 10 for me would be like jynx maze look, Megan Salinas and the body type of harley dean.dont necessarily have to be dark skin or fair.Any advice would help. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I plunged. I started with Panama though and my Spanish was passable by the time I got to Medellin. Isn't Luna Luneras a strip club? They tend to be clip joints in Colombia. Sao Paolo is great. More expensive but the brothels tend to be well run. I highly recommend the brothel at Tangara. The night clubs with hookers fall on the clip joint side. Lots of little scams the garotas will pull so you need to be careful.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2073971]I quote from your original post:

"Just this past May I met a chick on a chat app and had her come over for all night $23. Well when she got there she was not to my liking. Her feet were all dirty, teeth messed up, and breath smelled terrible. I had no problem turning her loose with full payment after the first round. That was only $23. No way I would take that risk with $200 at stake."

You say you turned her loose after the first round but the other pics show you took her out for dinner.[/QUOTE]Negative Ghost Rider. You are overthinking the shit. Or maybe you are just learning to read. My post that you tried to direct everyone to for god knows what reason said, 'Thanks to my girlfriend I just spent a fortune on some nasty ass garlicy, fatty, saucy Filipino food. That shit will not be happening again. We could have eaten at Dad's at these prices. Time to send her home; my wechat is blowing up!"

Translation: I went to dinner with my girlfriend. My girlfriend went home and the chick that kept sending me messages on wechat (the chick in the pictures) came over. Why the hell would I post pictures of my girlfriend on ISG? Why the hell would I call a chick I just met my girlfriend? As Balboa was asking, what is the point of your post anyway? What did any of that have to do with the original point of not inviting a chick that you have never laid eyes on to stay with you for all night?

This owner of this place is notorious for being pushy, tricky and making the prices up for drinks and girls according to her mood which literally changes by the second. I find her (Nancy) nearly impossible to deal with. However, you stated 120 k / hour. Are you sure? Last time I went, I walked out realizing I had just paid for a drink for a girl that I was going to take upstairs but did not because the "negotiations" with Nancy just killed the whole mood for me. As far as I know, the girl never even got the drink. In fact I am sure she didn't!

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2073223]A quick report, I used the list and map to get a head start. The 1st night I used Linda's chicas. 120 k for an hour. 6 girls to choose from. Decent place with plenty of room. El Centro was the next pursuit. A lot to choose from. A beautiful estafana was there. 30 k, 10 k room (her choice not horrible) probably 30 minutes session. Didn't have a stopwatch. Used Linda's chica again and another good experience.

The name slips my mind but #2. Aims to please. Same 120 k for hour. Then I mess up near the church on de Graff. I was just chatting with a girl when one I had interest in earlier approached. Now they wanted a 3 way of course. 50 k a piece, 60 k for room that was worse than the 10k room a block over. Upsells start immediately for anything. 20 k for tops off. Well time comes for leche so they earned that propina gagging all the way to the bathroom. 100 k a piece before it's over. One worth meeting again but now I've inflated the price. The list of drivers on the pdf was pretty useless as most numbers are outdated. Bucky even hung up when I told him where I got the number. Robert was now a girl number, Hector and Nick also had outdated numbers. Hopefully check out some cases next. Appreciate all the information fellas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2073985]Have been putting off on going to Medellin for some time. I decided I should just go and see if Medellin is my type. But by checking for availabilities in the mansion. It seems like it's going to be full till September 10. I would like to go earlier than that, but my Spanish is non existent. Anyone think it's best if I go when the mansion frees up or just plunge in like I did when I went to FKK?[/QUOTE]September 10 is only three weeks away. If you wait until you can get a room at the Mansion, just a word of warning: you will not see the typical Medellin chicas at the Mansion. Very few at the Mansion are above average, many below. If you have made some FB contacts, you should go and not worry about your lack of Spanish. It is awkward, but you can use a translate app to communicate with the chicas. The obstacle you may face because of the short time, is finding a place to stay that you can verify accepts chicas. If you can arrange the flight and a room or apartment before the Mansion is available, you should take the plunge. There are many beautiful women in Medellin who are waiting to have a good time with you, for just a little money in return.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2073985]Have been putting off on going to Medellin for some time. I decided I should just go and see if Medellin is my type. But by checking for availabilities in the mansion. It seems like it's going to be full till September 10. I would like to go earlier than that, but my Spanish is non existent. Anyone think it's best if I go when the mansion frees up or just plunge in like I did when I went to FKK? I have been looking at photo galleries in another similar website with the pictures of some girls like case did etc, but find most of them not to my taste. But when looking at Luna luneras insta photos. I find those girls very hot. Can't see the face though. I have also been contemplating between Medellin and Sao Paulo, one day I will go to the other one. But would really like to see the scene in Medellin.Have also been friending girls on facebook,fyi a 10 for me would be like jynx maze look, Megan Salinas and the body type of harley dean.dont necessarily have to be dark skin or fair.Any advice would help. Thanks.[/QUOTE]It depends on 2 things. Can you deal with repeating this statement several times a day "No hablo español", every time you need something? Taxis and restaurants and possibly your hotel will be the biggest issues. You'll need to point at the menu a lot. It can lead to frustration. You can use Google translate some times.

The other thing, how well do you take advice? My first mongering trip was to the DR and I did lots of research and asked for and got a lot of good advice. Then I decided I knew a better way. It took me 6 hours to realize my plan would be a complete disaster and very expensive. Ended up with only 1 wasted day and only about $200 wasted, before I followed the advice of the experts. The rest of the trip was great.

The advantage of the Mansion is you don't need to do anything. There will be an experienced guest there with enough Spanish to help you out. Between all the guests you'll probably have a good trip.

If you don't want to wait, you can still do it. Download the Medellin casa map and the pdf file of casa locations. Do your research. For casas, New Life is probably your best bet. Cost for 30 minutes is 50,000 COP. You pay after and get charged for the total time in 15 minute increments. You can spend a full hour and still be cheaper than a mansion girl.

The other best option is Energy Spa, 140,000 COP per hour.

Strip clubs are mostly a night time endeavour. Fase Dos is your best choice. Don't expect it to be great until late. Price is 190 k plus drinks. The El Centro clubs can have some gems, but the rooms are. Let's just say whatever you're laying on has been laid on many times since it last was washed. Many casas also don't bother changing sheets.

If you find a place that's chica friendly, you can bring back girls. You can find some good, expensive offerings in Parque Lleras, especially after midnight. Many will ask for crazy amounts. Stick to your guns and they will come down. Cien y cincuenta mil (150 k) to doscientos mil (200 k) is the real price. If your room isn't chica friendly, there are short time options. Most expensive is probably Motel Ibiza. Super nice rooms, but can cost up to 100 k at peak times. Most girls and taxi drivers know a place you can go.

On Friday and Saturday nights Jenson's bar hosts a party for mongers. There's a cover charge which covers the cost of giving taxi fares to girls to show up. You'll meet several gringo locals and after 9 pm there will be available girls there. Price for most is around 150 k. First one, I counted 21 different girls. Jenson's is just a short walk from the middle of Parque Lleras.

I'm usually available during the day or Sunday and Monday nights. PM me advance notice and I'll go with you to pop your cherry, or help you figure out how to order food.

One little warning. Just recently I was approached by 2 girls in Parque Lleras. They were obviously together and 1 was more forward than is usual. They both looked young, but one looked like a tranny to me. My gut said something was wrong and I wasn't hunting that night, so I got away from them. Maybe 1 was a tranny, maybe one was too young. Maybe they are thieves or are working with the police. Or maybe I missed a good thing. The thing that seemed way off was when she said "see'Mon. Sucky, sucky" after I wasn't interested. I haven't heard anything that direct from a Colombiana before.

Be safe and have fun.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2073919]Ouch, I PM'ed about a dozen of them before my 1st trip back in Feb, got amounts from 200 k up to 6 million! Did two dates at the 300 k for TLN, ended up liking the redhead Sofie, will be seeing her again when I am in town in Sept. The other girl was heavier then her pics, did coke and was kinda a wacko.

Pics: redhead, cool chick Sofie, wacko Malejaea and the 6 million girl (who I thought was hot but not $2,000 hot. LOL).[/QUOTE]The girl with the tattoo on her right shoulder, name starts with a Ka- she told me a million pesos, what did she tell you?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2074110]It depends on 2 things. Can you deal with repeating this statement several times a day "No hablo espaol", every time you need something? Taxis and restaurants and possibly your hotel will be the biggest issues. You'll need to point at the menu a lot. It can lead to frustration. You can use Google translate some times.

The other thing, how well do you take advice? My first mongering trip was to the DR and I did lots of research and asked for and got a lot of good advice. Then I decided I knew a better way. It took me 6 hours to realize my plan would be a complete disaster and very expensive. Ended up with only 1 wasted day and only about $200 wasted, before I followed the advice of the experts. The rest of the trip was great.

The advantage of the Mansion is you don't need to do anything. There will be an experienced guest there with enough Spanish to help you out. Between all the guests you'll probably have a good trip.


Be safe and have fun.[/QUOTE]Actually I can understand some spanish, meaning I can read off of menu and figure what is that, but can't actually understand people speaking spanish as it may be too fast or I can't catch the word, I learned spanish half way long time ago, and just decided not to go on. So it has became nonexistant. As to listening to advice, my first was in Germany so all I did was read the forum and go to Germany, and also I research alot before doing anything like deciding between medellin or sao paulo. Thank you very much jjbee, I also contacted a few facebook ladies and got their whatsapp number, and I have that map in my phone when I first wanted to go a few months ago. So I practically got everything covered.

Scammer alert for a morena who was going by Milan. In the room with here when someone else knocks. She let's a girl in to use the restroom. Then demands payment from me. I insisted after only. She leaves the room then the girl she let in for the bathroom starts screaming her phone is stolen. I told her it was the girl and took off to nearest taxi. Time to try something new.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2074227]The girl with the tattoo on her right shoulder, name starts with a Ka- she told me a million pesos, what did she tell you?[/QUOTE]Do you mean one of the 3 girls I just posted pics of or one of the girls I posted pics of back in Feb?

(and as far as I know none had a name staring with K, at least not in their SA profile).

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2074239]Actually I can understand some spanish, meaning I can read off of menu and figure what is that, but can't actually understand people speaking spanish as it may be too fast or I can't catch the word, I learned spanish half way long time ago, and just decided not to go on. So it has became nonexistant. As to listening to advice, my first was in Germany so all I did was read the forum and go to Germany, and also I research alot before doing anything like deciding between medellin or sao paulo. Thank you very much jjbee, I also contacted a few facebook ladies and got their whatsapp number, and I have that map in my phone when I first wanted to go a few months ago. So I practically got everything covered.[/QUOTE]"habla despacito conmigo soy extranjero" will get people to slow down when they talk to you and even make them laugh a little.

This is all about me. I'm astonished anyone would schedule their visit to a major city based on the availability of a room at any single hotel or whatever the mansion is. I just don't get it. It's me.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2073985]Have been putting off on going to Medellin for some time. I decided I should just go and see if Medellin is my type. But by checking for availabilities in the mansion. It seems like it's going to be full till September 10. I would like to go earlier than that, but my Spanish is non existent. Anyone think it's best if I go when the mansion frees up or just plunge in like I did when I went to FKK? I have been looking at photo galleries in another similar website with the pictures of some girls like case did etc, but find most of them not to my taste. But when looking at Luna luneras insta photos. I find those girls very hot. Can't see the face though. I have also been contemplating between Medellin and Sao Paulo, one day I will go to the other one. But would really like to see the scene in Medellin.Have also been friending girls on facebook,fyi a 10 for me would be like jynx maze look, Megan Salinas and the body type of harley dean.dont necessarily have to be dark skin or fair.Any advice would help. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2074069]Negative Ghost Rider. You are overthinking the shit. Or maybe you are just learning to read. My post that you tried to direct everyone to for god knows what reason said, 'Thanks to my girlfriend I just spent a fortune on some nasty ass garlicy, fatty, saucy Filipino food. That shit will not be happening again. We could have eaten at Dad's at these prices. Time to send her home; my wechat is blowing up!"

Translation: I went to dinner with my girlfriend. My girlfriend went home and the chick that kept sending me messages on wechat (the chick in the pictures) came over. Why the hell would I post pictures of my girlfriend on ISG? Why the hell would I call a chick I just met my girlfriend? As Balboa was asking, what is the point of your post anyway? What did any of that have to do with the original point of not inviting a chick that you have never laid eyes on to stay with you for all night?[/QUOTE]Ah ok, I thought the chick in the pictures was the girlfriend you were talking about and you were using the word 'girlfriend' as a euphemism for hooker.

I understand completely that you would never post pictures of your 'real' girlfriend on ISG. However it seems to be OK for you to post pictures of a hooker without blurring her face. But I know what you're going to say now: because she's just a hooker.

By the way: I know this chick. I've had a session with her about a year ago. She had indeed bad teeth which was a turnoff (no dirty feet or bad breath as far as I can recall) but she was a very nice girl. Didn't repeat her though.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2074110]Can you deal with repeating this statement several times a day "No hablo espaol", every time you need something?[/QUOTE]Yes. I have limited knowledge of Spanish. But I still like Colombia.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2074110]Taxis and restaurants and possibly your hotel will be the biggest issues. You'll need to point at the menu a lot. It can lead to frustration. You can use Google translate some times.[/QUOTE]Taxis: I use Uber. But I still say "No hablo espanol". Many Uber drivers are lame. They call me asking me where I am at or ask me how to get to my destination, I think. Geez! All that information is in the Uber app. But Uber works. I use it all the time.

Restaurants: The name of the meal usually doesn't translate using Google translate. It seems the name of the dish is not a proper Spanish word. You have to use the translator on the description of the dish.

I point a lot. It works.

I get frustrated, but since I have the money, they (the waiter and girls) are patient. Everything works out.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2074110]Download the Medellin casa map and the pdf file of casa locations. Do your research.[/QUOTE]I did that. I have the Medellin map and the PDF file. Fantastic info! That's all you really need. I might not have come without all that info. With Uber and the addresses from those files, everything is easy.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2074110]Many casas also don't bother changing sheets.[/QUOTE]My friend who owns a short time guesthouse in Cambodia changes his sheets every 2 days.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2074110]On Friday and Saturday nights Jenson's bar hosts a party for mongers. There's a cover charge which covers the cost of giving taxi fares to girls to show up. You'll meet several gringo locals and after 9 pm there will be available girls there. Price for most is around 150 k. First one, I counted 21 different girls. Jenson's is just a short walk from the middle of Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]I walked over there this Saturday. At 9:10 PM, there were about 2 girls on the second floor. Never went in. At 10:30 PM, didn't see any girls. Do girls start coming in at midnight? I was at Gusto at 11:30. Not that crowded. There were some freelancers. Then around midnight, people started to come in. Many people came in bringing in their dates. I also saw a group of backpacker types come in. I didn't really like the scene at Gusto.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2074350]I walked over there this Saturday. At 9:10 PM, there were about 2 girls on the second floor. Never went in. At 10:30 PM, didn't see any girls. Do girls start coming in at midnight? I was at Gusto at 11:30. Not that crowded. There were some freelancers. Then around midnight, people started to come in. Many people came in bringing in their dates. I also saw a group of backpacker types come in. I didn't really like the scene at Gusto.[/QUOTE]Last night was a poor showing at Jenson's. The girls you saw were probably the waitresses. One girl showed around 10 pm, but sat at the bar hidden from most of the guys. I'm probably the only one who saw her. 15 minutes later she was gone. 2 girls did show up around 11. Then about midnight a group of 4 showed, but I think they were looking for a sucker to pay for their night out.

Of the girls that showed, both looked good to me. I was lined up to take 1, because the other had spent her time talking with another guy. When he left alone, she joined our group. Another guy was interested in the one I had planned to pull. To me either was a good choice, so I swapped. Left with her around 12:30. No complaints from me.

Might have been slow because of whatever the holiday is. The rain and cool weather probably didn't help much.

Jenson's is going to be hit or miss for awhile. The girls show if the guys are there. The guys show up if the girls are there. It's like a junior high dance, where nobody wants to be first on the dance floor. I go when I can. Worst case, I meet a few decent guys and talk with the waitresses, then head elsewhere. Best case, I take a girl and help to convince her it's worth coming back and bringing some friends.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2074038] Isn't Luna Luneras a strip club? They tend to be clip joints in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I assume you mean the higher end Gringo oriented ones like Fase II and Las Islas etc, because I find the Centro clubs to be a good deal, no cover, cheap drinks, reasonable fees and enough cute women. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2074441]I assume you mean the higher end Gringo oriented ones like Fase II and Las Islas etc,.[/QUOTE]Gringo oriented?

I have gone to Fase 2 and La Isla numerous times.

And each time, I was the only gringo in the place.

Nothing Gringo oriented about those places except the prices that average gringo is more likely to be able to afford compared to the average Colombiano.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2074565]Gringo oriented?

I have gone to Fase 2 and La Isla numerous times.

And each time, I was the only gringo in the place.

Nothing Gringo oriented about those places except the prices that average gringo is more likely to be able to afford compared to the average Colombiano.[/QUOTE]I've been going to Fase 2 for over 15 years, I've seen many gringos in there.

Doesn't mean it's gringo oriented, just more of a gringo type hangout than the Centro clubs, in terms of more upscale.

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2074241]Scammer alert for a morena who was going by Milan. In the room with here when someone else knocks. She let's a girl in to use the restroom. Then demands payment from me. I insisted after only. She leaves the room then the girl she let in for the bathroom starts screaming her phone is stolen. I told her it was the girl and took off to nearest taxi. Time to try something new.[/QUOTE]A behind Vera Cruz Church girl or a Raudel block girl?

I have always paid up front with those girls, so far about a dozen times with no problems. Not much to risk, $10 to $15. Hmmmm. So she took off after you wouldn't pay her up front or what? And why would bathroom girl leave her phone out in the room with 2 other people. Strange, wonder if one or both of them was trying to set you up or if the 1st girl thought she was stealing your phone because you wouldn't pay or what?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2074110]For casas, New Life is probably your best bet. Cost for 30 minutes is 50,000 COP. You pay after and get charged for the total time in 15 minute increments.[/QUOTE]I like New Life.

The entrance was initially strange for me. It's a door that leads upstairs, but there wasn't a doorman hawking the place. I thought maybe the place was closed. Luckily, 4 guys just came up and I followed them.

I thought the lineup was decent. In my scale (I have a tough scale), a few girls were 6's. I prefer a 6 that does everything, rather than a 10 that doesn't do much. 2 of the 4 girls I had wanted 50 K COP tip to do BBBJ.

I like the rooms. It seemed cleaner than all the other places I've experienced. It seems all the rooms had a bathroom and shower, with towels. It had colored bed sheets; hence you can't see the cum and spit stains, so it's not as disgusting since you can't see it. LOL!

I like that you pay afterwards; hence you don't have to state how much time you want at the beginning. If you finish early, you pay less. If you take more time than normal, you get a discount on the hour pricing.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2074038] Lots of little scams the garotas will pull so you need to be careful. [/QUOTE]Ha ha ha, you said Garotas! Viva Brazil!

I did 2 quick tours during 2 different days (of course, during the daytime).

Most of the action is on Carrera 53, between Calle 51 & Calle 52.

This scene is not my cup of tea. I didn't pick up, but I like to look. Most of the girls were below average. A few decent ones. The 2 "diamonds in the rough" I saw were of dubious age. I guess that's the way it goes.

I didn't see any police walking on Carrera 53. There are many police on the other side at Botero Plaza, where the "normal" people are.

Hint: If you don't want to walk in that area, you can buy a ticket to Museo de Antioquia. It was 18 K COP foreign entrance fee. It has a nice Botero wing (the guy that paints fat people / animals). Then from there you can go to a patio on the outside at the corner, and look at part of the street scene from the comfort of the museum's security. It was an interesting scene. I saw a SW dry humping a potential customer, a SW sniffing glue. Very interesting.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2074678]I did 2 quick tours during 2 different days (of course, during the daytime).
Most of the action is on Carrera 53, between Calle 51 & Calle 52.
This scene is not my cup of tea. I didn't pick up, but I like to look. Most of the girls were below average. A few decent ones. The 2 "diamonds in the rough" I saw were of dubious age. I guess that's the way it goes.
I didn't see any police walking on Carrera 53. There are many police on the other side at Botero Plaza, where the "normal" people are.[/QUOTE]Yeah I usually do several laps at different times (day only) to find somebody but my hotel is close enough. And I card the young looking ones. I've never seen cops there also although they do sometimes stand on the corner of carr 53 and calle 52. I suspect they know that blocks smells like paperwork. LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2074110]One little warning. Just recently I was approached by 2 girls in Parque Lleras. They were obviously together and 1 was more forward than is usual. They both looked young, but one looked like a tranny to me. My gut said something was wrong and I wasn't hunting that night, so I got away from them. Maybe 1 was a tranny, maybe one was too young. Maybe they are thieves or are working with the police. Or maybe I missed a good thing. The thing that seemed way off was when she said "see'Mon. Sucky, sucky" after I wasn't interested. I haven't heard anything that direct from a Colombiana before.[/QUOTE]True wisdom! Perhaps not LE, however it sound like some sort of a "set up". There are many different scenarios where that could have gone wrong for you. Trust your instincts, live to play another day.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2073985]Have been putting off on going to Medellin for some time. I decided I should just go and see if Medellin is my type. But by checking for availabilities in the mansion. It seems like it's going to be full till September 10. I would like to go earlier than that, but my Spanish is non existent. Anyone think it's best if I go when the mansion frees up or just plunge in like I did when I went to FKK? I have been looking at photo galleries in another similar website with the pictures of some girls like case did etc, but find most of them not to my taste. But when looking at Luna luneras insta photos. I find those girls very hot. Can't see the face though. I have also been contemplating between Medellin and Sao Paulo, one day I will go to the other one. But would really like to see the scene in Medellin.Have also been friending girls on facebook,fyi a 10 for me would be like jynx maze look, Megan Salinas and the body type of harley dean.dont necessarily have to be dark skin or fair.Any advice would help. Thanks.[/QUOTE]You can find a world of girls in MDE without staying at the mansion. But, I recommend it for a first trip. It's already August 20th, what's another 20 days?

To be honest I would have paid but it was her demeanor. Theb she stole pissing girls phone. A mess for sure. She needed that next hit it was in her eyes. But those titties.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2074618]A behind Vera Cruz Church girl or a Raudel block girl?

I have always paid up front with those girls, so far about a dozen times with no problems. Not much to risk, $10 to $15. Hmmmm. So she took off after you wouldn't pay her up front or what? And why would bathroom girl leave her phone out in the room with 2 other people. Strange, wonder if one or both of them was trying to set you up or if the 1st girl thought she was stealing your phone because you wouldn't pay or what?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2074618]A behind Vera Cruz Church girl or a Raudel block girl?

I have always paid up front with those girls, so far about a dozen times with no problems. Not much to risk, $10 to $15. Hmmmm. So she took off after you wouldn't pay her up front or what? And why would bathroom girl leave her phone out in the room with 2 other people. Strange, wonder if one or both of them was trying to set you up or if the 1st girl thought she was stealing your phone because you wouldn't pay or what?[/QUOTE]Thanks wolf for your girl pics.

I'm planning to go to Colombia for a get away.

Do you have videos of the girls?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2074678]Hint: If you don't want to walk in that area, you can buy a ticket to Museo de Antioquia. It was 18 K COP foreign entrance fee. It has a nice Botero wing (the guy that paints fat people / animals). Then from there you can go to a patio on the outside at the corner, and look at part of the street scene from the comfort of the museum's security. It was an interesting scene. I saw a SW dry humping a potential customer, a SW sniffing glue. Very interesting.[/QUOTE]I agree that the SW scene is probably not for anybody who needs the security of the museum patio to check it out.

[QUOTE=Gianfranco8725;2074848]Thanks wolf for your girl pics.
I'm planning to go to Colombia for a get away.
Do you have videos of the girls?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Well I have the G rated clips of the Redlight block girls that I have posted links to before:

(these are only $10 girls so not the best Medellin has to offer. LOL).

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593c68bf13a22[/URL]

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593d7efb11739[/URL]

Although the women in this vid was $21: (different block).

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593b50f51674a[/URL]

Definitely some doables among the trash! Some of this $10 girls look a lot better than the FB girls and Mansion girls looking for 150 and 200 mil. Encouraging me to get off my lazy ass next time and get back to the streets. Years ago (when it was better) I used to be a regular at Mayorista and had some very good luck there.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2074974]Well I have the G rated clips of the Redlight block girls that I have posted links to before:

(these are only $10 girls so not the best Medellin has to offer. LOL).

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593c68bf13a22[/URL]

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593d7efb11739[/URL]

Although the women in this vid was $21: (different block).

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593b50f51674a[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2075025]Definitely some doables among the trash! Some of this $10 girls look a lot better than the FB girls and Mansion girls looking for 150 and 200 mil. Encouraging me to get off my lazy ass next time and get back to the streets. Years ago (when it was better) I used to be a regular at Mayorista and had some very good luck there.[/QUOTE]Hahaha you have never been to Colombia.

After the arrest of Jake in El Centro, the police are keeping eyes on gringos in the area and told some gringos to leave the area immediately. Though gringo guys do not know, they really stand out at Botero / Veracruz area.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2074969]I agree that the SW scene is probably not for anybody who needs the security of the museum patio to check it out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2074671]I like that you pay afterwards; hence you don't have to state how much time you want at the beginning. If you finish early, you pay less. If you take more time than normal, you get a discount on the hour pricing.[/QUOTE]They do it because girls can prolong the session through chat, shower, etc, and charge you more. In other casas, you can pay for hh first, and then you can extend to an hour and pay the difference.

[QUOTE=Canonade;2075031]Hahaha you have never been to Colombia.[/QUOTE]As usual, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

And some of those girls are pretty cute. Ymmv.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2074974]
Although the women in this vid was $21: (different block).[/QUOTE]BTW, it's "RAUDAL", not "Raudel".

[QUOTE=Queens35;2074969]I agree that the SW scene is probably not for anybody who needs the security of the museum patio to check it out.[/QUOTE]Someone likes a zoo experience... :confused:

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2074974]Well I have the G rated clips of the Redlight block girls that I have posted links to before:

(these are only $10 girls so not the best Medellin has to offer. LOL).

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593c68bf13a22[/URL]

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593d7efb11739[/URL]

Although the women in this vid was $21: (different block).

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593b50f51674a[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow, these are the same chicks that come to Lleras at night and charge you ten times more! Knowledge is really the power.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2075045]After the arrest of Jake in El Centro, the police are keeping eyes on gringos in the area and told some gringos to leave the area immediately. Though gringo guys do not know, they really stand out at Botero / Veracruz area.[/QUOTE]What are you talking about? What area? I planned on going to Centro in mid Sept, should I not go?

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2074974]Well I have the G rated clips of the Redlight block girls that I have posted links to before:

(these are only $10 girls so not the best Medellin has to offer. LOL).

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593c68bf13a22[/URL]

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593d7efb11739[/URL]

Although the women in this vid was $21: (different block).

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593b50f51674a[/URL][/QUOTE]Inn the last vid for raudel black, there is a girl with a tremendous ass at 3:20 in the background. Probably too big for most but I want it. What are the chances of me seeing that girl in mid-Sept. ? Do the same chicks stay in the same spot all the time? ANd what corner was that exactly? If you remember.

For over 11 years. Just never really cared about cruising the streets. Not looking to save money. But might be something fun for a change. Miss the old Mayorista days...when it was a nice change.

[QUOTE=Canonade;2075031]Hahaha you have never been to Colombia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2074974]Well I have the G rated clips of the Redlight block girls that I have posted links to before:

(these are only $10 girls so not the best Medellin has to offer. LOL).

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593c68bf13a22[/URL]

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593d7efb11739[/URL]

Although the women in this vid was $21: (different block).

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593b50f51674a[/URL][/QUOTE]Oh yessss. This looks just as I imagined. Some decent chassis on those streets. I'm so impressed. I must explore, however flying from Bangkok appears to be a lengthy and rather expensive exercise.

I heard and witnessed that police stopped, questioned, and got rid of some gringos there last year and this year. A few times, I saw the police took gringos to somewhere else, may be their car, I am not sure. I hope they were not arrested. Needless to say these officers are on the local gang's pay roll. They do not do anything for you. They work for the thugs there. Same for the judges. There are some reasons why Mansion is packed all the time. Stay out of trouble and go safe. A diamond in the rough is not a worthy benefit relative to a potential detrimental cost. Certainly there are some reports when some guys were there and had no problem. But when gringos had trouble, they do not report their embarrassment. As for casas in Centro, no problem.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2075377]What are you talking about? What area? I planned on going to Centro in mid Sept, should I not go?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2075380]Inn the last vid for raudel black, there is a girl with a tremendous ass at 3:20 in the background. Probably too big for most but I want it. What are the chances of me seeing that girl in mid-Sept. ? Do the same chicks stay in the same spot all the time? ANd what corner was that exactly? If you remember.[/QUOTE]I'd say chances were good, that was just back in June and think they work the same areas, that is the NW corner of Carr 54 and Calle 53 (Ave De Greiff).

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2075377]What are you talking about? What area? I planned on going to Centro in mid Sept, should I not go?[/QUOTE]Well that is one block from a tourist hotspot, Plaza Botero and 2 museums so I really doubt they will be shooing away tourists. I wouldn't go at night.

Effectively, Majorista was not really a place of "street action. " Everything was organized and controlled there. Thieves, punks, etc were removed and / or blocked through various means.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2075408]For over 11 years. Just never really cared about cruising the streets. Not looking to save money. But might be something fun for a change. Miss the old Mayorista days...when it was a nice change.[/QUOTE]

If anyone wants to PM me with chica recommendations. Pics, facebook profiles, contact info. I will do the same with what I find during my trip coming Sept. 19th. If you're not interested, you can still send me hot girls to contact.

Read tons of posts and planing the trip. Got quote from FB for 300 k or 100 usd for 2 hrs. Kind of high compared to the history. Did I miss something? Should I discuss the specific detail in the messenger or just time and price?

Hello everyone,

Thank you for all of your reports, they have been very helpful. I have been to FKKS which were amazing and Tijuana which was a drag. I want to try Colombia and Brazil out so I was considering arriving in Bogota Friday Nov 17 for 3 days leaving Monday Nov 20 to Medellin for 3 days, then to Rio Nov 23 Thursday for 6 days and my final stop Sao Paulo for 6 days. I've been told Rio is best during the week and they have FKK style clubs. I am still a little confused on what to expect in Colombia. It sounds like they have FKK style clubs but smaller or I would have to find a prepaid. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I decided to do this trip after visiting some local strip clubs that have had an influx of Cubans. So sexy compared to the other girls. Should I try and split the days more equally? Less days at Sao Paulo?

If it matters I'm a gringo with limited Spanish.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2075439]I heard and witnessed that police stopped, questioned, and got rid of some gringos there last year and this year. A few times, I saw the police took gringos to somewhere else, may be their car, I am not sure. I hope they were not arrested. Needless to say these officers are on the local gang's pay roll. They do not do anything for you. They work for the thugs there. Same for the judges. ...[/QUOTE]My opinion of the police is very different. I have been to Centro many times, alone, and have never had a problem with the police. They have always been friendly and helpful. I have asked them for directions, and sometimes they walked with me to the place I was looking for.

I don't know what it is, but some people have a tendency to get into trouble. There is a poster on another forum who usually goes to Costa Rica. He has had encounters with the police in San Jose. I think it was his first trip to Medellin, and he was arrested. I have seen gringos in Medellin who I think should have been arrested. When they are disrespectful to the local people and act as if they are better because they may have more money than the locals, they should be dealt with. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2075614]My opinion of the police is very different. I have been to Centro many times, alone, and have never had a problem with the police. They have always been friendly and helpful. I have asked them for directions, and sometimes they walked with me to the place I was looking for.

I don't know what it is, but some people have a tendency to get into trouble. There is a poster on another forum who usually goes to Costa Rica. He has had encounters with the police in San Jose. I think it was his first trip to Medellin, and he was arrested. I have seen gringos in Medellin who I think should have been arrested. When they are disrespectful to the local people and act as if they are better because they may have more money than the locals, they should be dealt with. Maybe relieving them of some of that money would be helpful.[/QUOTE]I've had the same experience as you with the police.

One time I got stopped when they were doing ID checks, showed them my Passport card, and it easily satisfied them.

They were curious about the USA, etc, and we got to talking, made new friends.

Funny, they referred to the girls as, "chicas malas, pero buenas", jeje.
They just advised to watch out for the bad guys around, that rob.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2075463]Effectively, Majorista was not really a place of "street action. " Everything was organized and controlled there. Thieves, punks, etc were removed and / or blocked through various means.[/QUOTE]Yep, that's right, and the girls even had to pay a small fee per night to work there.

All changed now, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2075045]After the arrest of Jake in El Centro, the police are keeping eyes on gringos in the area and told some gringos to leave the area immediately. Though gringo guys do not know, they really stand out at Botero / Veracruz area.[/QUOTE]WHAT! Us gringo guys don't know that we stand out, I am 6'-7" and pushing 300 lbs with light hair and light eyes, hell I stand out when I walk anywhere in Southern California, jajajajaja.

Seriously, even if it was not our height or light eyes or our clothing BUT just the way we walk and our mannerisms makes us stand out.

TTM.

[QUOTE=JennyKk;2075585]Read tons of posts and planing the trip. Got quote from FB for 300 k or 100 usd for 2 hrs. Kind of high compared to the history. Did I miss something? Should I discuss the specific detail in the messenger or just time and price?[/QUOTE]Offer 150 k pesos plus one-way taxi. Don't go over 200 k. If you can agree on a price, then discuss details. I have one long time FB friend who I never had the opportunity to schedule a time with until recently. She told me 300 k plus taxi. I gave her a two-word response "No, gracias". She is still my FB friend, and is very pretty in her photos, but not 300 k pretty.

[QUOTE=JennyKk;2075585]Read tons of posts and planing the trip. Got quote from FB for 300 k or 100 usd for 2 hrs. Kind of high compared to the history. Did I miss something? Should I discuss the specific detail in the messenger or just time and price?[/QUOTE]For 2 hours not bad but if you haven't been with this person yet why are you asking for 2 hours? What if they suck in bed or they don't look like the photos in facebook? Ideally you would meet them for a drink and take the discussion from there. They may bring a friend to chaperone that initial meeting.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2075693]For 2 hours not bad but if you haven't been with this person yet why are you asking for 2 hours? What if they suck in bed or they don't look like the photos in facebook? Ideally you would meet them for a drink and take the discussion from there. They may bring a friend to chaperone that initial meeting.[/QUOTE]I asked for a quote but didn't mention the time period. I would assume there is bargain room. And for communication, FB messenger really can't get quick response at all. Do I need to switch to whatsapp for further conversation?

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2075690]Offer 150 k pesos plus one-way taxi. Don't go over 200 k. If you can agree on a price, then discuss details. I have one long time FB friend who I never had the opportunity to schedule a time with until recently. She told me 300 k plus taxi. I gave her a two-word response "No, gracias". She is still my FB friend, and is very pretty in her photos, but not 300 k pretty.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Just want to know the approximate price structure. 150-200 k for 1 HR seems normal. But for 2 hrs, will there be a decent discount like TLN?

[QUOTE=JennyKk;2075585]Read tons of posts and planing the trip. Got quote from FB for 300 k or 100 usd for 2 hrs. Kind of high compared to the history. Did I miss something? Should I discuss the specific detail in the messenger or just time and price?[/QUOTE]Ouch, she's trying to jack you IMO, I have a date coming up, someone I have seen before, off SeekingArrangements, asked her to bring a friend for a friend, told her 200 k for a few hours (we are doing dinner, drinks / dancing, then Love hotel w / Jacuzzi) or 300 k for TLN (all night) and she said fine, NP.

I'd offer a price rather then ask one, they are bound to reach for the stars if you ask.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2075619]I've had the same experience as you with the police.

One time I got stopped when they were doing ID checks, showed them my Passport card, and it easily satisfied them.

They were curious about the USA, etc, and we got to talking, made new friends.

Funny, they referred to the girls as, "chicas malas, pero buenas", jeje.
They just advised to watch out for the bad guys around, that rob.[/QUOTE]Same here with police. I walk by them daily, although usually not in El Centro, and the most I get is a smile and a nod. The closest encounter was coming back from Centro late one night and the cops stopped our taxi. They glanced in the back seat at me and a buddy and never said a word, just waved us on.

I'm going to rely on my experiences rather than what someone heard.

[QUOTE=DukesFord;2075608]Hello everyone,

Thank you for all of your reports, they have been very helpful. I have been to FKKS which were amazing and Tijuana which was a drag. I want to try Colombia and Brazil out so I was considering arriving in Bogota Friday Nov 17 for 3 days leaving Monday Nov 20 to Medellin for 3 days, then to Rio Nov 23 Thursday for 6 days and my final stop Sao Paulo for 6 days. I've been told Rio is best during the week and they have FKK style clubs. I am still a little confused on what to expect in Colombia. It sounds like they have FKK style clubs but smaller or I would have to find a prepaid. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I decided to do this trip after visiting some local strip clubs that have had an influx of Cubans. So sexy compared to the other girls. Should I try and split the days more equally? Less days at Sao Paulo?[/QUOTE]Stay at hotel M (The Mansion) for your first time. You are guaranteed to make friends who will help you out, the staff is friendly, and the owners are very helpful.

[URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2075614]My opinion of the police is very different. I have been to Centro many times, alone, and have never had a problem with the police. They have always been friendly and helpful. I have asked them for directions, and sometimes they walked with me to the place I was looking for.

I don't know what it is, but some people have a tendency to get into trouble. There is a poster on another forum who usually goes to Costa Rica. He has had encounters with the police in San Jose. I think it was his first trip to Medellin, and he was arrested. I have seen gringos in Medellin who I think should have been arrested. When they are disrespectful to the local people and act as if they are better because they may have more money than the locals, they should be dealt with. Maybe relieving them of some of that money would be helpful.[/QUOTE]+1.

I have never had any negative encounters in Colombia or Costa Rica over more than 30 trips. But I'm respectful, don't walk around drunk or loud, or act like a typical douschebag gringo.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2075690]Offer 150 k pesos plus one-way taxi. Don't go over 200 k. If you can agree on a price, then discuss details. I have one long time FB friend who I never had the opportunity to schedule a time with until recently. She told me 300 k plus taxi. I gave her a two-word response "No, gracias". She is still my FB friend, and is very pretty in her photos, but not 300 k pretty.[/QUOTE]Again, good advice.

Offer 150 k for a session. Forget talking about time, there's no clock punching unless you go to an MP. Any indy who quotes by the hour will usually rush you. Remember, to many of them, 1 hour = 1 shot. If you shoot too early, you may get 20 minutes. If you want to negotiate specifics, lets say 2 shots, and up to 2 hours but probably 1. 5 or so, offer 200 k. 150 k for 1, 200 for 2. Take it or leave it, plenty of fish in that sea. They are everywhere.

300 k is her gauging how new you are, or how dumb. LOL Reply 150 k plus taxi to come to me. Taxi is max 10-20 k. Tell her to take Uber, it's cheaper. And she can send you a screenshot of the cost. One did it to me that last trip, without asking which was cool.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2075668]WHAT! Us gringo guys don't know that we stand out, I am 6'-7" and pushing 300 lbs with light hair and light eyes, hell I stand out when I walk anywhere in Southern California, jajajajaja.

Seriously, even if it was not our height or light eyes or our clothing BUT just the way we walk and our mannerisms makes us stand out.

TTM.[/QUOTE]No shit. I enjoy heaering guys tell everybody how well they blend it because they wear long pants and a buttoned shirt. LOL.

Unfortunately, no matter what we wear they make us in a second. Even if you go to a futbol game and wear a Colombian Jersey, you are still a gringo!

You sound like a lest tackle!

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2075668]WHAT! Us gringo guys don't know that we stand out, I am 6'-7" and pushing 300 lbs with light hair and light eyes, hell I stand out when I walk anywhere in Southern California, jajajajaja.

Seriously, even if it was not our height or light eyes or our clothing BUT just the way we walk and our mannerisms makes us stand out.

TTM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2075439]I heard and witnessed that police stopped, questioned, and got rid of some gringos there last year and this year. A few times, I saw the police took gringos to somewhere else, may be their car, I am not sure. I hope they were not arrested. Needless to say these officers are on the local gang's pay roll. They do not do anything for you. They work for the thugs there. Same for the judges. There are some reasons why Mansion is packed all the time. Stay out of trouble and go safe. A diamond in the rough is not a worthy benefit relative to a potential detrimental cost. Certainly there are some reports when some guys were there and had no problem. But when gringos had trouble, they do not report their embarrassment. As for casas in Centro, no problem.[/QUOTE]If I were doing nothing wrong and the police told me that I have to go elsewhere, I'd calmly just say "por que tengo que irme?, estoy bien aqui" (why do I have to leave, I'm good here). Now if they were nice and gave me a reasonable explanation, or were more persistent or got aggressive, obviously I'd leave, I'm not risking a beating or arrest over some stupid shit. But I'm not going to be run off like a little byatch because some cop doesn't think I should be there or whatever.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2075439]There are some reasons why Mansion is packed all the time.[/QUOTE]Not sure what point you are attempting to make with this, but it has NOTHING to do with gringos having encounters with police in Centro. But the reasons are listed a few pages back. Mostly lack of competition and steady stream of non-Spanish speaking gringos keeps them in business.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2075768]If I were doing nothing wrong and the police told me that I have to go elsewhere, I'd calmly just say "por que tengo que irme?, estoy bien aqui" (why do I have to leave, I'm good here). Now if they were nice and gave me a reasonable explanation, or were more persistent or got aggressive, obviously I'd leave, I'm not risking a beating or arrest over some stupid shit. But I'm not going to be run off like a little byatch because some cop doesn't think I should be there or whatever.

Not sure what point you are attempting to make with this, but it has NOTHING to do with gringos having encounters with police in Centro. But the reasons are listed a few pages back. Mostly lack of competition and steady stream of non-Spanish speaking gringos keeps them in business.[/QUOTE]

You guys don't know what your talking about and don't belong en el centro. There is a high police presence. They are stoping everybody that is accompanied by any girl that looks [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord903][CodeWord903][/url]. If you do I hope you do get cought.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2075045]After the arrest of Jake in El Centro, the police are keeping eyes on gringos in the area and told some gringos to leave the area immediately. Though gringo guys do not know, they really stand out at Botero / Veracruz area.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Queens35;2075765]No shit. I enjoy heaering guys tell everybody how well they blend it because they wear long pants and a buttoned shirt. LOL.

Unfortunately, no matter what we wear they make us in a second. Even if you go to a futbol game and wear a Colombian Jersey, you are still a gringo![/QUOTE]However, there's a difference between not blending in and standing out. Not much hope of ever blending in, but I also don't attract negative attention. I'm quiet, I stare less than the typical Colombian man, and I give a polite "Buenas" if someone greets or smiles at me in passing. I also save my cargo shorts for Ciclovia.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2075380]Inn the last vid for raudel black, there is a girl with a tremendous ass at 3:20 in the background. Probably too big for most but I want it. What are the chances of me seeing that girl in mid-Sept. ? Do the same chicks stay in the same spot all the time? ANd what corner was that exactly? If you remember.[/QUOTE]Hell yes that is a terrific caboose. Is A level offered by these chicas?

[QUOTE=HorneeFalang;2075778]Hell yes that is a terrific caboose. Is A level offered by these chicas?[/QUOTE]I imagine depends on the individual girl and the size of the tip. (Pun intended. LOL).

[QUOTE=JennyKk;2075708]I asked for a quote but didn't mention the time period. I would assume there is bargain room. And for communication, FB messenger really can't get quick response at all. Do I need to switch to whatsapp for further conversation?
[/QUOTE]Yes, they will typically give you a whatsapp number. You can just say 150 k and see what she says. It's 150 to 200 k for short time. If you are paying more than that you are overpaying. I don't usually ask for time. I always say "por un rato" which means for a while. That while can turn into anything you and the chica feel like a "while" is. Sometimes you might be looking for some really kinky shit the chicas don't regularly do like rim jobs. Maybe you'll pay more. I don't know. But a straight fuck is 150 k to 200 k. You'll be surprised how many will agree immediately to 150 k. My MO these days is to fuck once, get a massage then hint she should leave.

My last trip to Medellin, I stuck exclusively to parque lleras, and spent a lot of time in Club Gusto which is full of over priced hookers with an attitude. One chica wanted 600 k and wouldn't budge. I saw her THE SAME night at The Beer store when she left Gusto and she agreed to 200 k. I could have probably gotten her for 150 k but I wasn't going to split hairs. She was great.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2075768]If I were doing nothing wrong and the police told me that I have to go elsewhere, I'd calmly just say "por que tengo que irme?, estoy bien aqui" (why do I have to leave, I'm good here)
[/QUOTE]Heck, I'd tell them I am a block from my hotel, where do you want me to go? LOL.

As to chicks, always ID them and make sure it's them in the pic. Long as she is 18+ you are good to go.

Heck, I carded my Centro SW sweetie Sara, turns out she is 22 yo with 2 kids. LOL.

(Anybody notice me asking Jemina if she was a woman in the RAUDAL vid? LOL).

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2075831]Yes, they will typically give you a whatsapp number. You can just say 150 k and see what she says. It's 150 to 200 k for short time. If you are paying more than that you are overpaying. I don't usually ask for time. I always say "por un rato" which means for a while. That while can turn into anything you and the chica feel like a "while" is. Sometimes you might be looking for some really kinky shit the chicas don't regularly do like rim jobs. Maybe you'll pay more. I don't know. But a straight fuck is 150 k to 200 k. You'll be surprised how many will agree immediately to 150 k. My MO these days is to fuck once, get a massage then hint she should leave.

My last trip to Medellin, I stuck exclusively to parque lleras, and spent a lot of time in Club Gusto which is full of over priced hookers with an attitude. One chica wanted 600 k and wouldn't budge. I saw her THE SAME night at The Beer store when she left Gusto and she agreed to 200 k. I could have probably gotten her for 150 k but I wasn't going to split hairs. She was great.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Wolf662;2075741]Ouch, she's trying to jack you IMO, I have a date coming up, someone I have seen before, off SeekingArrangements, asked her to bring a friend for a friend, told her 200 k for a few hours (we are doing dinner, drinks / dancing, then Love hotel w / Jacuzzi) or 300 k for TLN (all night) and she said fine, NP.

I'd offer a price rather then ask one, they are bound to reach for the stars if you ask.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advise!

[QUOTE=Balboa;2073609]Quick trip report, just getting back from Medellin for a week.

Hit all the normal spots in Centro; casas, strip clubs, the street.

I found the casas as always, hit and miss.

If you have the patience and visit a bunch, you'll eventually find something you like, and occasionally something you really like.

The street is an interesting walk, seeing mostly scags, glue sniffers, and street urchins, though again, you can find some good keepers.

Most definitely keep your eye out for bad dudes lurking, they are definitely out there, especially at night, and even more so after like 10 pm.

I found and absolute diamond, 18 year old, out there a couple visits ago, we've now become amigovios, and we just meet up at nicer motels for fun.

I bring her some gifts from the US and a little cash, and the total GFE is on..[/QUOTE]Was there a Sarah at the Mansion? Kind of a butter face with an incredible ass?

Anyone know where to get B12 or testosterone shots?

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2075831]Sometimes you might be looking for some really kinky shit ... like rim jobs.[/QUOTE]I would strongly advise anyone who thinks rimming is 'really kinky' to never go to Thailand or Germany.

[QUOTE=Culture;2075912]Anyone know where to get B12 or testosterone shots?[/QUOTE]Test you can get at any pharmacy.

Any choices for mature escorts in Medellin, like 50+.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2076002]I would strongly advise anyone who thinks rimming is 'really kinky' to never go to Thailand or Germany.[/QUOTE]Please tell us some kinky shit we should seek out which would be on par with Thailand and Germany.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2075834]Anybody notice me asking Jemina if she was a woman in the RAUDAL vid?[/QUOTE]Yeah, and she took it surprisingly well. Laughted. I would have thought that she'd get offended since she doesn't look anything like a tranny.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2076131]Yeah, and she took it surprisingly well. Laughted. I would have thought that she'd get offended since she doesn't look anything like a tranny.[/QUOTE]Well I didn't think the one who was looked like one either. LOL.

But yeah, I was just being extra cautious. I didn't give it much of a chance but better safe then sorry.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2075853]Was there a Sarah at the Mansion? Kind of a butter face with an incredible ass?[/QUOTE]Sorry, I don't remember.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2074974]Well I have the G rated clips of the Redlight block girls that I have posted links to before:

(these are only $10 girls so not the best Medellin has to offer. LOL).

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593c68bf13a22[/URL]

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593d7efb11739[/URL]

Although the women in this vid was $21: (different block).

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593b50f51674a[/URL][/QUOTE]Great work Wolf. Do you have the band name and titles of the songs accompanying your videos? I like but Shazam does not recognize. Thanks.

In your "Redlight block-Medellin Colombia-VeraCruz block #2" video there is a girl leaning on the wall that smiles as you pass to the staircase with your girl. She is a little doll. Those streets look relatively normal to me, not as scary as I imagined. I like that for watching your videos a few times I could know if I'm on course or veering off on blocks that aren't the heart of the RLD. Great videos. +1.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;2076079]Please tell us some kinky shit we should seek out which would be on par with Thailand and Germany.[/QUOTE]I think you should be asking Vatore007.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2076072]Any choices for mature escorts in Medellin, like 50+.[/QUOTE]There was an old crone around parque lleras on weekends. Did not look healthy.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2075853]Was there a Sarah at the Mansion? Kind of a butter face with an incredible ass?[/QUOTE]

I think you're thinking of Sarah at Chicas Punto. Yes, incredible ass. Truly splendid ass.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2076002]I would strongly advise anyone who thinks rimming is 'really kinky' to never go to Thailand or Germany.[/QUOTE]Bear with him. He's still so young... :p

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2076200]Great work Wolf. Do you have the band name and titles of the songs accompanying your videos? I like but Shazam does not recognize. Thanks.

In your "Redlight block-Medellin Colombia-VeraCruz block #2" video there is a girl leaning on the wall that smiles as you pass to the staircase with your girl. She is a little doll. Those streets look relatively normal to me, not as scary as I imagined. I like that for watching your videos a few times I could know if I'm on course or veering off on blocks that aren't the heart of the RLD. Great videos. +1.[/QUOTE]Music:

They were the house band in Manuel Antonio, Costa Rica in 2005, "LosTres Caciques" at the Hotel Si Como No. I figured Pornhub has strict music rights policies so I used something not in wide circulation, I bought their CD from them, the 2 songs are "Womencita" and of course the much wider known cover of "Guantanmera". I can burn a copy to a CD or MP3's to a memory stick if you want, PM me.

Girl:

Yeah that cutie making that knowing smile in the doorway is my 2nd fav part of that vid, after my girlie Sara skipping to the room. LOL.

The doorway she is in is the entrance to Hotel Dinastia, which is 2 doors to the left of Drogueria Moderna, Carr 53 #51-57.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2076200] Those streets look relatively normal to me, not as scary as I imagined. I like that for watching your videos a few times I could know if I'm on course or veering off on blocks that aren't the heart of the RLD. Great videos. +1.[/QUOTE]What I did before my 1st trip was watch this dudes vid on youtube a bunch of the Redlight block: (looks like maybe early Fri / Sat night, very busy crowd).

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdp6HbcdhhE[/URL]

Then I spend a long time on Google Street view figuring where that was based on buildings in the background, then mapped a safe route from my hotel there. LOL.

I also read the last 500 pages of the MDE thread on this site, then read back a further 500 pages before my 2nd trip if anybody wants to know how I seem to know my way around for someone who's only been there twice. LOL. That took me back about 6 years which I figured was enough + about a week looking at Streetview to avoid bad looking areas and to recognize Casa's entrances and the strip clubs. Yes I like to do my research.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;2076079]Please tell us some kinky shit we should seek out which would be on par with Thailand and Germany.[/QUOTE]I saw so much weird shit in Thailand, it left me blind for several weeks. In Germany, you may wish to try the 'plate glass lunch.' I'm sure not going to.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2076211]I think you should be asking Vatore007..[/QUOTE]Why ask me?

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2076072]Any choices for mature escorts in Medellin, like 50+.[/QUOTE]If you want mature, try around Parque Botero and Parque Bolivar. Also, the pedestrian walk by Parque Botero and the red light strip one block below Parque Botero. Most of them, unfortunately, are hideous. However, there is the rare diamond in the rough to be found.

[QUOTE=Montani;2076446]If you want mature, try around Parque Botero and Parque Bolivar. Also, the pedestrian walk by Parque Botero and the red light strip one block below Parque Botero. Most of them, unfortunately, are hideous. However, there is the rare diamond in the rough to be found.[/QUOTE]Mostly younger ones around Botero / VeraCruz, the older 25-40 ish are over in the raudal block. Didn't see any 50+ though.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2076384]I also read the last 500 pages of the MDE thread on this site, then read back a further 500 pages before my 2nd trip
[/QUOTE]That's super RTFF! Clap clap clap! Amazing

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2076384]
That took me back about 6 years which I figured was enough + about a week looking at Streetview to avoid bad looking areas[/QUOTE]But then you missed the best... <grin>
(ooopppss.... <blushing> ).

Out of curiosity, just went back 10 years in reports, and it seems the chica prices in Colombian pesos has basically been flat. I understand the dollar has fluctuated in value, but chica prices seem to have remained flat. Still I guess the 20 mil por media days are numbered.

Can't imagine what it was like 10+ years ago, was there even a metro back then?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2075773]However, there's a difference between not blending in and standing out. Not much hope of ever blending in, but I also don't attract negative attention. I'm quiet, I stare less than the typical Colombian man, and I give a polite "Buenas" if someone greets or smiles at me in passing. I also save my cargo shorts for Ciclovia.[/QUOTE]It's true that we get made as foreigners no matter what, up close, but from a distance not so much if you dress correctly. And it also comes down to what sort of foreigner they make you as. Are you are clueless tourist or a gringo slumming it living down there on a budget? Is much better to be thought of as the latter, so people that come here advising guys to walk the streets wearing whatever they want give bad advice.

[QUOTE=Montani;2076824]Out of curiosity, just went back 10 years in reports, and it seems the chica prices in Colombian pesos has basically been flat. I understand the dollar has fluctuated in value, but chica prices seem to have remained flat. Still I guess the 20 mil por media days are numbered.

Can't imagine what it was like 10+ years ago, was there even a metro back then?[/QUOTE]It's always been more than enough. The holy grail of most prepagos is 100 USD. For a time this was about 150 k to 200 k but that's changed to being closer to 300 k. This goes for Colombians abroad in places like Panama City. It is rare to see them turn down 100 USD. Most will still go for 150 k to 200 k. I think the reason is it is still a lot of money for an hours work along with the fact that life is fucking poor in Colombia for most people. I've met prepagos who have built an entire life out of hooking; they do it both in and out of Colombia for a good stretch of time and save up well.

Local prices for locals still start around 30 k to 60 k depending on where you are. I guarantee you, you could find for less but that's cheap enough I think, hahaha.

If you compare this to Brazilian hookers its not too far off their price point but they have considerably higher priced hookers in much more expensive and nicer places (some of the hooker night clubs in Sao Paolo can easily cost you 200-300 USD with food + drinks + hooker). Those kinds of prices haven't been seen in Colombia unless you're a sucker who just wants to flash more money and pay more. And that's fine if you are.

There are places like Club Gusto in Parque Lleras where hookers will try to get 200 USD for short time. I've seen visitors there pay it without blinking an eye.

[QUOTE=Montani;2076824]Can't imagine what it was like 10+ years ago, was there even a metro back then?[/QUOTE]It's been 10.5 years since I lived there, and yes. The cable part that goes up into the hills and the barrio had recently opened. The rest of the system was about ten years old then. So I think maybe 1996 or thereabouts, was when it opened. Somebody else can google that one, but it's been around for a while. Buenos Aires had the first subway system in South America, I do believe.

This is the only Map you will need.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=1ofx_YA4jQTGihNBdWeQtw3UxYYI&ll=6.217183908177347%2C-75.58512479317415&z=13[/URL]

Yes, prices have remained pretty stable. I first went to Medellin over 11 years ago and stayed at the Mansion the first time. The "standard rate" at the Mansion was 150 mil. More recently some of the chicas have tried to push it to 200 mil, but for those who read or have any sense, you can still get most of them for 150 (which is rather generous, given you can pay much less outside of the Mansion for the same or better quality). That said, the cost to the gringo is actually down. When I first started going to Colombia, the peso was about 2300 to the dollar. During the time I was married to a rolla, the exchange rate went as low at about 1750 or so. And then last year it was as high as 3300 or more, if I remember right. So that same 150 mil costs you anywhere from $45 to $85 depending on when you visited during this time period.

[QUOTE=Montani;2076824]Out of curiosity, just went back 10 years in reports, and it seems the chica prices in Colombian pesos has basically been flat. I understand the dollar has fluctuated in value, but chica prices seem to have remained flat. Still I guess the 20 mil por media days are numbered.

Can't imagine what it was like 10+ years ago, was there even a metro back then?[/QUOTE]

Fusion is gone. I don't know if Lindas Chicas is still in business. I thought it close severaal years ago.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2077069]This is the only Map you will need.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=1ofx_YA4jQTGihNBdWeQtw3UxYYI&ll=6.217183908177347%2C-75.58512479317415&z=13[/URL][/QUOTE]

As for the overall price, the CPI in Colombia approximately increased by 40% (95 in 2008 to 138 last quarter) in the last ten years. As for the economy per person, GDP per capita (in terms of Purchase Power Parity, not the unstable market exchange rate for USD) increased by 30 percent in the same period. So, rich businessmen got richer and poor workers / consumers became poorer in terms of real income independent of inflation.

As for the casas in Centro, the price was about 30 k ten years ago while it is 40 k now. It is 33 percent increase, slightly lower than the CPI increase.

For those with income in terms of the USD, however, the appreciation of USD outweighed the modest inflation in Colombia in the last two years. But we don't know how long the current exchange rate will continue.

The tricky part is that when the USD depreciates, the price in Colombia does not go down in response, though it usually goes up in response to the apprecItion of the dollar.

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Hi,

Someone mentioned Testosterone is bought OTC at any pharmacy. How do you buy it? Is it in an injection form?

[QUOTE=Culture;2077248]Hi,

Someone mentioned Testosterone is bought OTC at any pharmacy. How do you buy it? Is it in an injection form?[/QUOTE]Just ask for "testoviron" at the pharmacy. Yes, injectable, they come in little syringes with needle, single serving size.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2074974]Well I have the G rated clips of the Redlight block girls that I have posted links to before:[/QUOTE]Wolf662,

Your videos were very useful and informative (though it looks like they got taken down? Could you recommend a good spy cam for making videos like those?

[QUOTE=Trim1;2077487]Wolf662,

Your videos were very useful and informative (though it looks like they got taken down? Could you recommend a good spy cam for making videos like those?[/QUOTE]Wow, that's weird, they were taken down, says:

"Video has been removed at the request of the copyright owner."

I could maybe see if the obscure Costa Rican band from 12 years ago I used for music complained but one of them didn't even have any background music, you'd think I'd be the copyright owner since I took the footage.

Glasses, Amazon has a bunch, they don't have mine anymore for sale.

It was probably one of the businesses shown or an individual who asked to have it taken down. It might be for the best, all things considered.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2077535]Wow, that's weird, they were taken down, says:

"Video has been removed at the request of the copyright owner."

I could maybe see if the obscure Costa Rican band from 12 years ago I used for music complained but one of them didn't even have any background music, you'd think I'd be the copyright owner since I took the footage.

Glasses, Amazon has a bunch, they don't have mine anymore for sale.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2077602]It was probably one of the businesses shown or an individual who asked to have it taken down. It might be for the best, all things considered.[/QUOTE]Wise comment.

[QUOTE=Culture;2077248]Hi,

Someone mentioned Testosterone is bought OTC at any pharmacy. How do you buy it? Is it in an injection form?[/QUOTE]The injectable from is less expensive.

But you can get a month's supply of Androgel for about 80 bucks. Which is incredibly cheap compared to around 600 bucks for a month's supply if your insurance doesn't cover it in the USA.

Here is very good Costa Rican Band.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egz1Q0omWC8[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/%C3%89ditus-59472728322/[/URL]

Too bad about the Videos.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2077535]Wow, that's weird, they were taken down, says:

"Video has been removed at the request of the copyright owner."

I could maybe see if the obscure Costa Rican band from 12 years ago I used for music complained but one of them didn't even have any background music, you'd think I'd be the copyright owner since I took the footage.

Glasses, Amazon has a bunch, they don't have mine anymore for sale.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2077700]The injectable from is less expensive.

But you can get a month's supply of Androgel for about 80 bucks. Which is incredibly cheap compared to around 600 bucks for a month's supply if your insurance doesn't cover it in the USA.[/QUOTE]There are 2 kinds available. The short term, 2-3 week, injection with a blunt fuckin needle, and a product by bayer that is a time release over 12 weeks. The time release didn't used to be available in the USA, costs 60-75 dollars. Been using it for many years. Take it ever 4-6 weeks. Yeah, I overdo a little.

[QUOTE=LocoGringo;2077807]There are 2 kinds available. The short term, 2-3 week, injection with a blunt fuckin needle, and a product by bayer that is a time release over 12 weeks. The time release didn't used to be available in the USA, costs 60-75 dollars. Been using it for many years. Take it ever 4-6 weeks. Yeah, I overdo a little.[/QUOTE]I used to pay approx $70 for 2 vials, doctor agreed to up my dosage as lab results confirmed I could, and then I found a coupon without my insurance called goodrx,. The pharmacist filled and now, for all three, the cost is $22 a month. It required injection but not one of those bottle you have to score the top off of to open.

I also know of a Dr in Costa Rica who injects and it supposedly last 3-4 months- I haven't fully looked at that yet. His name Dr Tinoco. Might be more extensive- a little bit but less needle sticks.

Today I finally got around to doing a brief walkthrough of Mayorista. I don't have a lot to report, as I wasn't looking for any action, just trying to get some exercise and expand my knowledge.

Getting there:

From the Ayura Metro station walk west on Calle 85 (in this area Calles are numbered, increasing from Itagui). Walk past Central Mayorista to Carrera 50 A. At least at 3 pm, Calle 85 between Cra. 50 A and 52 was the only spot where I noticed any action.

The area:

Besides about a dozen cheap hotels, there are quite a few small restaurants and bars. South on Cra. 52 D is lined with clothing stores. There are also a lot of billares bars and barber shops in the area. Mid afternoon area seems safe enough and is probably okay through early evening. Lots of cheap restaurants in the area. Should be fine for lunch or early dinner.

The girls:

There were about 10 girls working, all clustered in front of 2 hotels. None of them looked especially bad, none looked especially good. Most looked to be thicker than average. There was one with the comically large fake boobs and another with an oversized ass. Of the lot, 2 I would do if I was looking for cheap pussy.

No idea on prices, because I wasn't shopping. Considering it was a Tuesday afternoon, it's probably worth checking out later in the week, if you're looking for street action.

[QUOTE=WestFlDude;2077945]I used to pay approx $70 for 2 vials, doctor agreed to up my dosage as lab results confirmed I could, and then I found a coupon without my insurance called goodrx,. The pharmacist filled and now, for all three, the cost is $22 a month. It required injection but not one of those bottle you have to score the top off of to open.

I also know of a Dr in Costa Rica who injects and it supposedly last 3-4 months- I haven't fully looked at that yet. His name Dr Tinoco 5068934040. Might be more extensive- a little bit but less needle sticks.[/QUOTE]A 10 ML bottle of test goes for about $40 on the Dark Web.

With respect to Testosterones are you gentlemen confusing anabolic steroids with testosterone or is real testosterone available? I do remember years ago a pharmacy in Costa Rica being known for "testosterone" shots but was actually Sustanon.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2077602]It was probably one of the businesses shown or an individual who asked to have it taken down. It might be for the best, all things considered.[/QUOTE]So obvious.
I am still amazed to notice that some people does not understand that not everyone is happy to be displayed on pornhub working as prostitute, openly soliciting or roaming in a zona de tolerancia. Some wives or work colleagues might not understand our liberal principles.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2078124]With respect to Testosterones are you gentlemen confusing anabolic steroids with testosterone or is real testosterone available? I do remember years ago a pharmacy in Costa Rica being known for "testosterone" shots but was actually Sustanon.[/QUOTE]Sustanon IS testosterone, and testosterone IS a steroid, Deca is an example of an anabolic steroid, test is androgenic.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2077602]It was probably one of the businesses shown or an individual who asked to have it taken down. It might be for the best, all things considered.[/QUOTE]They are not the copyright owners.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2078140]So obvious.
I am still amazed to notice that some people does not understand that not everyone is happy to be displayed on pornhub working as prostitute, openly soliciting or roaming in a zona de tolerancia. Some wives or work colleagues might not understand our liberal principles.[/QUOTE]Obvious? The people in the video do not own the copyright so they have no right to have it taken down. You can't be in a public place and then complain you were caught on a camera, there is no expectation of privacy in public areas. It's not obvious at all, it actually makes no sense because the cameraman owns the copyright in this case.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2078140]So obvious.
I am still amazed to notice that some people does not understand that not everyone is happy to be displayed on pornhub working as prostitute, openly soliciting or roaming in a zona de tolerancia. Some wives or work colleagues might not understand our liberal principles.[/QUOTE]Yes, the video solidified the image of gringo visitors to the area as being disrespectful and obtrusive. Probably the videos heightened the local animosity towards the gringos visiting the area.

A few years ago, one ISG member took a picture of a casa girl and posted it on the other monger site. After that, several people and I heard that the casa papasan punched him badly.

Don't be arrogant or obnoxious. Having green buck does not mean that you can do anything to the local people in their country.

Allow me to send the message another way. The copyright infringement reference doesn't necessarily have anything to do with copyrights. There are influential parties who lose money when the image. And tourism revenue. Of the country is damaged.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2078281]They are not the copyright owners.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2078280]Sustanon IS testosterone, and testosterone IS a steroid, Deca is an example of an anabolic steroid, test is androgenic.[/QUOTE]With a healthy workout and diet routine, which one of these helps cut fat without raising your body tempeture to crazy levels?

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2078280]Sustanon IS testosterone, and testosterone IS a steroid, Deca is an example of an anabolic steroid, test is androgenic.[/QUOTE]And I thought it was just a steroid. I did try a single dose one time (shot in the butt) but do not recall it having an effect. My recollection is that it was a "waste". Maybe I needed more?

"Sustanon 250 is a testosterone hormone. Although synthetic it is a perfect replica of the naturally produced primary male androgen testosterone. By the esters that are attached, this is what defines Sustanon 250 and differentiates it from other testosterone compounds. The compound carries a mixture of small and large esters in a precise dose. It is the precise dose of each of the four testosterone esters that make it. You could take four other testosterones and combine them in the same dosing strength but this would not make it Sustanon 250. This is important because there are underground labs that try to pass off other mixtures as Sustanon 250. ".

I wonder what the side effects could be- estrogen aromatase, conversion to DHT so baldness, ?

Great article below. I'm going to ask my doctor about it and get a testosterone check at my next physical and find out what other options might be available for treating low T.

[URL]https://www.steroid.com/Sustanon-250.php[/URL]

Hope it's not a violation to post this link.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2078283]Obvious? The people in the video do not own the copyright so they have no right to have it taken down.[/QUOTE]Someone says "If you don't get it by yourself, there's no need to explain".

What you do not understand from my words could be more clear, maybe, if lectured by some solid guys of Prado, with or without a knife. They don't know what is "copyright", but can teach anyway a somehow primitive concept of "privacy".

The fact that he used hidden camera indicats that he knew he was doing morally and / or legally wrong.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2046355]Oh yeah for sure, walking around that area openly filming is counter-indicated. LOL. I like some danger but am not suicidal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2078748]The fact that he used hidden camera indicats that he knew he was doing morally and / or legally wrong.[/QUOTE]Or it could mean that he knows walking around openly filming prostitutes, in that area is a good way to exchange your camera, money and phone for the chance to walk away with all your bodily fluids still in your body.

I was in Mayo recently. To me it is the same as years ago. Some nights there was nobody that caught my attention but usually there were 1 or 2 I liked. And just last week, again, I saw 1 or 2 I liked. 1 of which really liked. It was before 9 pm and I prefer thin / fit girls.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2075025]Definitely some doables among the trash! Some of this $10 girls look a lot better than the FB girls and Mansion girls looking for 150 and 200 mil. Encouraging me to get off my lazy ass next time and get back to the streets. Years ago (when it was better) I used to be a regular at Mayorista and had some very good luck there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2077141]Fusion is gone. I don't know if Lindas Chicas is still in business. I thought it close severaal years ago.[/QUOTE]Fusion has a new location. I don't know the address but I can take you there.

"Lindas Chicas "is still open and Nancy is as feisty as ever.

Thank you, I know where it is. Is Nancy still there and mamasan-ing? Monster.

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2078811]Fusion has a new location. I don't know the address but I can take you there.

"Lindas Chicas "is still open and Nancy is as feisty as ever.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2078748]The fact that he used hidden camera indicats that he knew he was doing morally and / or legally wrong.[/QUOTE]Or maybe thought wondering around Centro with a high priced digital camcorder out was not a good idea, right up there with a Rolex and some gold chains.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2078928]Or maybe thought wondering around Centro with a high priced digital camcorder out was not a good idea, right up there with a Rolex and some gold chains.[/QUOTE]At this point, since all words fail, maybe a scientific heuristic approach could be tried. Since your expensive cam is now safe, you can try this scientific experiment:

1) post on Facebook your face and videos previously on pornhub, saying proudly "hey look at my videos, this is me, it was fun, I show you the REAL MEDELLIN!"

2) post the link on some local Spotted FB page, advertise it, again saying proudly "hey look what a good journalist I am, this is the real Medellin, I showed it to all the world";

3) wait a while, until the videos start to circulate on site among those who are interested;

4) go to Raudal and introduce yourself to people sitting in a bar ("Hey do you know me? Did you see these videos?? It's ME!! :-D"), invite them for a beer with you, and ask if they are happy that you made the place famous in the world;

5) wait that someone recognizes you, and report back the congratulations and pats on shoulders you will receive.

Will you next recommend the videographer exclaim "but you don't hold the copyright!" as a way to stop the beatings that would ensue?

I don't know why but I thought about the copyright angle the other day. I think that is a possibly a canned reason code when content is removed by the site owner. I would not put much stock in it. I like to err on the side of common sense. In this case I think it's more likely what many have said. People don't want to see their faces on a porno site indicating they are in a red light district.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2079028]At this point, since all words fail, maybe a scientific heuristic approach could be tried. Since your expensive cam is now safe, you can try this scientific experiment:

1) post on Facebook your face and videos previously on pornhub, saying proudly "hey look at my videos, this is me, it was fun, I show you the REAL MEDELLIN!"

2) post the link on some local Spotted FB page, advertise it, again saying proudly "hey look what a good journalist I am, this is the real Medellin, I showed it to all the world";

3) wait a while, until the videos start to circulate on site among those who are interested;

4) go to Raudal and introduce yourself to people sitting in a bar ("Hey do you know me? Did you see these videos?? It's ME!! :-D"), invite them for a beer with you, and ask if they are happy that you made the place famous in the world;

5) wait that someone recognizes you, and report back the congratulations and pats on shoulders you will receive.[/QUOTE]

Anyone going to Medellin from September 6-11?

I was going with two buddies but they had to cancel because of the flood in Houston.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2079028]At this point, since all words fail, maybe a scientific heuristic approach could be tried...[/QUOTE]Can this be taken to the chit chat thread? It's derailing the thread. Thank you.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2079028]At this point, since all words fail, maybe a scientific heuristic approach could be tried. Since your expensive cam is now safe, you can try this scientific experiment:.[/QUOTE]Totally nonsensical and hilarious at the same time.

I hit Centro last night, saw a tall, skinny, older gringo, with silver hair, wearing a black Batman t-shirt, on the back inscribed "100 percent prostitute".

Comical.

I talked to some of the girls, he was soliciting for 40 K pesos, bb sex.

All declined, and he gave his calling card to them, which most just tossed away.

He's obviously been there many times, he knew where to go and look.

I'm sure his bombardment approach must work with some of the desperate girls.

Just looked silly to me, wearing that dumb shirt.

To each their own I guess.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2079035]I think that is a possibly a canned reason code when content is removed by the site owner. [/QUOTE]Of course that's it. So obvious.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2079128]Can this be taken to the chit chat thread? It's derailing the thread. Thank you.[/QUOTE]
Whatever deals directly with the safety and ethics of P4P hobbyists in Medellin is well in scope, as it can help someone to keep his ass safe. My post is paradoxical hilarious, but maybe could save a life, or just a nose, should some schmuck after reading all this discussion here be now thinking to try on his own the thrill of video-reporting the Centro of Medellin. It's a very bad idea, and pointing it out again and again is in scope here.

Your comment, instead, does not add anything and is one more contribution to chit-chat. (not that I care, this thread is lively as few others also because of chit-chat). I suggest to refrain, but I understand it's just me and you will not agree. We are here to share information but also for fun. Thank you.

What you describe strikes me as a very good photo illustration for the "what not to do when traveling" page of Wikipedia.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2079343]I hit Centro last night, saw a tall, skinny, older gringo, with silver hair, wearing a black Batman t-shirt, on the back inscribed "100 percent prostitute".

Comical.

I talked to some of the girls, he was soliciting for 40 K pesos, bb sex.

All declined, and he gave his calling card to them, which most just tossed away.

He's obviously been there many times, he knew where to go and look.

I'm sure his bombardment approach must work with some of the desperate girls.

Just looked silly to me, wearing that dumb shirt.

To each their own I guess.[/QUOTE]

Mongers to avoid Lindas Chicas. Mamasan there is unpleasant at best. Try Energy for high end casa and New Life for low end.

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2074079]This owner of this place is notorious for being pushy, tricky and making the prices up for drinks and girls according to her mood which literally changes by the second. I find her (Nancy) nearly impossible to deal with. However, you stated 120 k / hour. Are you sure? Last time I went, I walked out realizing I had just paid for a drink for a girl that I was going to take upstairs but did not because the "negotiations" with Nancy just killed the whole mood for me. As far as I know, the girl never even got the drink. In fact I am sure she didn't![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sho423;2079122]Anyone going to Medellin from September 6-11?

I was going with two buddies but they had to cancel because of the flood in Houston.[/QUOTE]I'm here now.

Stay until the 11th.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2079383]Of course that's it. So obvious.


Whatever deals directly with the safety and ethics of P4P hobbyists in Medellin is well in scope, as it can help someone to keep his ass safe. My post is paradoxical hilarious, but maybe could save a life, or just a nose, should some schmuck after reading all this discussion here be now thinking to try on his own the thrill of video-reporting the Centro of Medellin. It's a very bad idea, and pointing it out again and again is in scope here.

Your comment, instead, does not add anything and is one more contribution to chit-chat. (not that I care, this thread is lively as few others also because of chit-chat). I suggest to refrain, but I understand it's just me and you will not agree. We are here to share information but also for fun. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Do you realize the guy isn't walking around with a camera?

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2079515]Mongers to avoid Lindas Chicas. Mamasan there is unpleasant at best. Try Energy for high end casa and New Life for low end.[/QUOTE]Energy ALL the way. They are consistenly good. The only time I had a bad time is when I go late and the LU is not poping. They even have a new Mamasan that is even more friendly and lets you get the wifi password. I think there is new management because the girls have new robes when they disrobe and there is a general sense of a new regime there.

Anyone in Medellin Sept. 16 and onwards?

I'll be staying there from 16-29th. I already have 2 main girls ready to fuck, met off colombiancupid, non-pro (or semi-pros. You never know right? Then have like 6 potential dates off colombian cupid. In between all this square, normal shit, I'm looking to quite a bit of good mongering. PM for details.

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[QUOTE=Vatore007;2079711]Do you realize the guy isn't walking around with a camera?[/QUOTE]ROFL. He still didn't get it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Energy is OK for girls and superb for the cleanliness and comfort of its facility. The cost is about twice as much as the joints in Centro. But don't expect girls that are twice as good. Everybody should check it out and see for themselves. I don't go out of my way for it but if I'm in the neighborhood for drinks or a meal I'll stop in. Yes, the mamasan sucks up, so that's a plus if you need that.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2079725]Energy ALL the way. They are consistenly good. The only time I had a bad time is when I go late and the LU is not poping. They even have a new Mamasan that is even more friendly and lets you get the wifi password. I think there is new management because the girls have new robes when they disrobe and there is a general sense of a new regime there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2079771]ROFL. He still didn't get it.[/QUOTE]I get it, you don't get it, my point is how am I going to get caught with a spy camera? Are they searching everyone that goes into Centro? No.

I will be there those same dates, if you had a paid membership I would PM you. I also am trying CC and Tinder.

[QUOTE=RedVladi;2079751]Anyone in Medellin Sept. 16 and onwards?

I'll be staying there from 16-29th. I already have 2 main girls ready to fuck, met off colombiancupid, non-pro (or semi-pros. You never know right? Then have like 6 potential dates off colombian cupid. In between all this square, normal shit, I'm looking to quite a bit of good mongering. PM for details.

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I don't know if you can see this on one of the Maps.

[B]Medellin Full Map - DO NOT Ask For This Map[/B]

A few guys keep asking for it.

Request this Map Only!

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2077061][URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=1ofx_YA4jQTGihNBdWeQtw3UxYYI&ll=6.214239295406224%2C-75.57595364999997&z=13[/URL][/QUOTE]

I'll be in Medellin in October. Are there sports bars that have NFL games playing?

[QUOTE=MkMarko;2080680]I'll be in Medellin in October. Are there sports bars that have NFL games playing?[/QUOTE]I've heard that Patrick's in Parque Lleras has the NFL games, but I haven't confirmed it. I do know that Jenson's will have the games on. Jenson's is on Carrera 37, just north of Calle 10. Next door is the'Andres, which serves an excellent breakfast.

[QUOTE=MkMarko;2080680]I'll be in Medellin in October. Are there sports bars that have NFL games playing?[/QUOTE]Patrick's Irish Pub will have many of the games. Hooters may have a game, depending on the soccer schedule. I've been there when every TV had the same soccer game, and they would not change even one TV. The game was not a playoff game, or anything like that, just a regular game.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2080866]I've heard that Patrick's in Parque Lleras has the NFL games, but I haven't confirmed it. I do know that Jenson's will have the games on. Jenson's is on Carrera 37, just north of Calle 10. Next door is the'Andres, which serves an excellent breakfast.[/QUOTE]Sounds like Patrick's is the place. Thanks guys!

Will be around, up for something Friday night?

[QUOTE=Sho423;2079122]Anyone going to Medellin from September 6-11?

I was going with two buddies but they had to cancel because of the flood in Houston.[/QUOTE]

Do the girls in Colombia go for bareback sex?

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2080074]I will be there those same dates, if you had a paid membership I would PM you. I also am trying CC and Tinder.[/QUOTE]Anyone want to meet up for a casa run etc?

I'll be staying at the Mansion. 9/15-9/20.

PM me!

This will be my maiden trip to Medellin. I was in MDE from 1-6 septermber. Months before, I was adding people on facebook, reading forums and asking questions. I also downloaded a map list from ISG to be put in google maps. 1-2 weeks before I was messaging facebook girls to ask for whatsapp numbers.

Arrived on Septermber 1, had to wait to 3 pm to check into my airbnb apartment at parque lleras. I had set up a date with kat a few days ago, and with some rescheduling here and there, decided on 4 pm. The date almost did not happen as the address I gave her is a store, and I told her to give me a chance and some time to get there and take a better picture for her. She is the prettiest girl I have seen on this whole trip. Stayed till about 6 pm, and got a taxi home. She does not want people to know that she was doing escorting so she told me she can't meet me outside for meals and around town, because she does not want to be seen by friends and family she knows. But outside of medellin she can go and walk around anytime. She did say she can spent the night with me, but it has to be when she is on holiday or vacation from college. At about 7 pm, met up with wolf62,and another guy for dinner at el centro near his hotel. Went to Barra Ejecutiva, conejitas, and some other strip clubs around there. Met another guy from ISG, and also found a girl of interest in conejitas for 30 minutes. Yakusa is right next to hotel botero, so easy for people who are staying there. El centro is just like thailand and vietnam, as long as you are careful, everything will be fine.

Went to fase II. See plenty of 9 and 10, very pretty girls. 10 k to go in. Did not go with anyone at that time as I was just looking and just wanted to take my time. Got a whatsapp number from a girl there who is a 9 on looks, and she said she does not dance on stage as she does not like to be touched. Her name is oriana.

Next day, we met for breakfast in el centro at versailles, then wolf brought us 3 around the SW's. On this day there was not too many girls or choices. And all of them are not my type. Went to New life or was it new energy I forgot, which is near kamasutra. Also went to kamasutra and walked to a building painted in blue with a painting of a face in blue, the building is still on construction. The guy from ISG saw a girl he was interested in, and we left for new life or new energy, and also kamasutra. Was told that Saturday there is only the be team, and they have better looking ones on weekdays. The charge is 2 k if none is picked at the New life. In the evening I met with Hellen Malu from facebook, and one more of her friend. After this trip I realise girls can be afraid of coming to el centro. Very dangerous they said. We are just going for dinner, and you are colombians yourself LOL. So me, wolf, and the guy from usasg met at their hotel before going to the restaurant. The usasg guy did not like her date which is the friend of hellen, saying she is very premadonna. Hellen is abit better. So that date did not went well, and he cut her lose after dinner. They just did not connect and they did not even try. I saw her using her phone 70 percent of the time. Went to get temporary tattos. Met with one of the girls from Vane Acosta on whatsapp. On picture she looks pretty. But in person, she is fatter, and has baby scars, and face don't look as pretty, but same person. Will not be using this contact again. But I heard bigmonkeyp had a good time with the girls from vane acosta.

Next day, had a 11 am appointment with daiana montoya, but she never showed and never read her message, and this was planned 2 days before, and a day before she told me she can come on that day. At 11.20 did not hear from her, so took taxi to el centro to meet up. Met with the guy from ISG and walked around the street with SW again near plaza botero. After that took a train to mayorista. Sundays are very slow days at all places, hoped that I can meet with daiana, but she flaked. Saw usbdawg from ISG again where we first met in new life. Nothing of interest in mayorista, and we went back to el centro and me back to my apartment. Got a message at 2 pm earlier from daiana and she said she had an emergency, and ask if I wanted to see her the next day instead. Decided to give her another chance and said lets meet Monday evening. At 5 pm met with, valentina zapata and her friend Has Leal. For almost 2 hours. Mistake on both of our part as I said I wanted to be with them for 2 hours, but she was thinking that I will meet her in 2 hours. They are both very nice girls. Valentina is pretty cute with a nice body. Had some fun, met found out wolf got sick and so only met up with the other 2 guys gwl8012 and the one from usasg at parque lleras. The guy from usasg was hooked on to el poblado and liked it better than el centro, so much so he decided to check out his hotel at botero a few days later and check into a hotel at parque lleras. After the 2 girls left, I met with gwl and he brought me to the most amazing empanadas place. That is something out of the world and I never had something this good. Thanks gwl. The guy from usasg was using gwl's room to see a girl he picked up at parque lleras. We were all amazed by how fast he learned. And I don't even know you can find them there. So for the first whole time we were just walking around parque lleras. So gwl saw this girl sitting next to a stall or trolley which sells phone covers, wallets etc, and started talking to a girl that was sitting next to the other girl who was chatting with her. Gwl started talking to the girl, and after a while we ask what fun things is there to do on a Sunday, gwl ask her if she wants to take a drink, and then we all proceed to a restaurant bar. After a bit, gwl decide to hint on that he wants to spend a night with her. After a while they agreed on a price and then we all left. Such a lucky guy, and so easy to pick up someone who I did not even know are working. To me she is not my type so I was not too envious. But in the other 3 guys view she is good looking. So me and the guy from usasg took a cab back to hotel botero to see how is wolf doing. Was feeling a little better after the sleep, and we chat and talk about what we were doing without him. He got much better from talking. And after an hour or so, usasg guy decided he does not want to go to any clubs. Since it is so slow on sundays, there was no one of interest at the few clubs at el centro that me and wolf went to fase dos, luna luneras. Luna luneras are not pushy and does not piush you to buy drinks. Not as many girls and not many lookers in my taste. Went with one of them.

Monday, had a date set with kat again at a motel. Wanted me to go get one and then she will meet me there. Will never use the motel punto cero again. Jacuzzi does not work, and she said it is like that for almost all motels around there. Good ones are in itagui. I like kat. Spend 3 hours with her as she needs to go back and study. Such a lovely time with her that time flys so fast. Ask her if she can bring me around medellin when I am back. Again told me anywhere but medellin as she does not want people to see her with a gringo or extranjero. After that we left the motel and I met the 3 guys at el centro again and we head to mayorista. This is the day we actually first went to mayorista, not the day before and we met usbdawg. That evening had a conversation with daiana, thinking that she will not flake on me this time, and she did not want to come to el centro for dinner as she is afraid of this place also. And she say she will meet me at my apartment. So I told her I will meet her there at a set time. Went back, had to charge my phone anyway, and by 8 pm, 1 hour after our set time, she did not show up.she told me she had another emergency, something about her brothers motorcycle getting impounded? i was pretty pissed as i do knot know if i should believe her or not, how do you have 2 emergency consecutively? she said she is home right now and to come or not to come? wanted to tell her what can we do this late at 10pm? told me its hard to get a taxi this late. did not get to see her on my trip i wanted to treat you to dinner.now i gotta eat something by myself. so i went to the empanadas place again and met the other 2 guys at strip clubs at el centro. later me and gwl. went to fase dos together The other 2 guys did not want to do anything because they were tired and had some girls from yakusa across the street. We went to a few clubs, and after that me and gwl went to fase dos together. My aim was to bring oriana back to my apartment. Paid my fine, and brought her back for TLN for 300 k. I asked her why she does not dance on stage and she told me she does not liked to be touched. Came to my apt, smoked marijuana, I don't smoke. And danced to some music and gave me a strip dance. Pretty, that was why I bring her back to my place. She has no problem with me touching her all over. Had a pretty good time with her that night, and she left in the morning.

Wanted to spent my last day with a real TLN and not only a few hours. Practically did not do anything for my whole last day, contacted yisus and he gave me a contact number with girls. I had a fear of what may happen again from the first time, that I did not went ahead and book any girls zara showed me. I should have, because the clubs are starting to rip people off on that day. A bottle of water cause 8 k on that day but a few times we were there it was only 4 k. Wanted to bring the girl back but she did not tell me she wanted a second beer and proceed to buy one her own. That is 40 k. I was pissed. Gwl was ripped off too, a gatorate for 7 usd?? It was raining so I tried to salvage everything by contaccting zara, but too late. So met with gwl again and we went to luna.

And that is the end of my trip. The food in Colombia is delicious. We went to a restaurant near my hotel called bonhomia. The nachos is so good, and the sausage plate is nice also. Same with the breakfast place.the guys i met, wolf, gwl8012 and the usasg guy are all cool guys to hang out with. I will certanlty go back to medellin again and see kat. Medellin did not dissapoint me when I compare it to Germany. This is my first trip to mde so I learned alot from wolf and have to thank him for bringing us around. I might have overpaid in some but have my lesson learned. Next time I want to stay at hotel medellin plaza or the mansion. I love rooms with jacuzzi. The hotel on my last extended day was right infront of patricks irish pub. Difficult to find it. I walked pass my hotel a few times and even taxi drivers can't find it LOL. But they are 15 days new.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2081261] El centro is just like thailand and vietnam, as long as you are careful, everything will be fine.[/QUOTE]Yes, Colombia is just like Thailand and Vietnam, except with a murder rate 18 times higher than Vietnam and 7 times higher than Thailand.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[/URL]

Day 1-Fri.

6:45 am flight. Went to bed 11:30 p, up at 3:30 am. Sigh. Spirit was actually fast at check in and was to my gate 1-1/2 early. Ouch.

Hour delay on runway in Ft Lauderdale. Sigh. Wheels down 2 pm MDE time. Could tell it was a holiday weekend, usually about the only Gringo on the plane, lot's of hipster's and DudeBro's on the flight.

Meet my new wingman from USSG, Jerry. Airport bus to hotel in Centro.

Start WhatsApp'ing 2 other ISG members Nuupter & Gwl8012, both staying in El Poblado.

Take Jerry on tour of Redlight blocks, he was impressed with the quality for the $. Seemed weaker then last time to me.

Supposed to meet Nuupter for dinner but he's late, can't find a cab near his AirB&be, HA, stupid El Poblado, you trip over cabs in Centro.

Take Jerry to see Redlightbocks again, my 1st night trip to VeraCruz & Raudal, quite a lively set of blocks 7 pm on a Fri, told Jerry it wasn't a good idea to hang there, did a quick tour of Conejitas, Barra Ejectiva and Maricaibo, meet Nuupter w / Jerry at BrasePan for dinner (about 16 k eack, 2 steaks and a trout w / fries & salad, Apple Fanta- yum.).

Hit Conejitas with them (they actually carded 25 yo Nuupter! Hahaha.) to meet Gw with Nup. & Jerry. , quite loud, quite packed, 40 or so girls on, no cover, cheap drinks, top 4 to 5 girls Fase Dos hot, I grab a girl 1st, Evelyn (it's so funny they all pick American names they can barely pronounce), she wants 80 k include room, I give her 100 k, 1st time upstairs at Conejitas (which means "Litttle Bunnies" but better translates as "Playmates" have only done takeout there before 50 k fee), room was clean, fan / shower / well lit, she was hot and possibly multi orgasmic (she played with her clit during) Got her WhatsApp, told her maybe Mon.

Gw and Nup both do a girl, then we all head down to BarraEjectiva as I was starting to lose my voice shouting over the music, wow, lots of really busty girls, 30 or so, not as crowded or hot as Conej. I tell the boys I will go next door and check out Maricaibo, maybe 15 girls, less then 10 guys (how does that place stay open? Little hottie spinner 19 yo Emily comes on strong, real cute and sassy, I say what the hell, the boys will wait, I'm the only one who speaks Spanish. LOL. Gave her 100 k (wants 80 k) 1st time doing it there too, (did take out with the mature Venz. Bombshell Rachel last time) Under the bar, room a little small, but fan and shower. Damn, she was so tight I spent the whole time trying to get all the way in!! Will repeat with her, OMG! Forgot to trade WhatsApp like a idiot.

Go pick up the boys, cab to FaseII, 11 ish, 10 k entry fee ea, 50+ girls on, none I would have said no to, a good mix of natural and silicone Goddesses, top 5+ spectacular. Cheapest we could get by with for 4 of us at a table was 145 k, 1 small bottle Aquardiente and 2 beers, ouch. Gw picks one around 12 ish, I pick one too but god was my ass dragging low. 190 k incld room's which are top of the line.

Thank God she pulls out a little Bolivian Marching Powder which jump starts me after the 4 hrs sleep and about 4 shots Aquardiente. LOL. She looked crazy hot naked, great tit's but can't remember her name. LOL. Maybe Beverly? I come out 1 am-ish and say I am done, me & Jerry cab to Centro and Nup cabs back to his AirB&be, Jw stays. Well we somehow wander into Yakusa at 1:30 am. LOL. Pretty low quality at this moment but they allow free takeout to close by hotels, 45 k 1/2 HR, 60 k HR and some times have little hottie spinners and you can sit on the couch and have a beer cheap.

The 2 cutest ones take off so I pick nobody but Jerry finally steps up to the plate and pulls 2 back to his room, both 19 yo-ish. Go Jerry!

I pass out in room 2 ish.

The Conejitas girl.

Saturday.

Couldn't sleep, up at 7:30 am Meet Jerry & Nap, 9 ish, hit Banco Colombia ATM on Junin Walking street, like that one, armed guard stands right there, great breakfast at Salon Versalles, ham & eggs with hot rolls, cafe con leche, fresh juice for $5, hit Parque Bolivar next to cruise through the craft fair, peeked in Catedral Baslica Metropolitana de Medellin, the big brick church for some photos, then Tienda D1 for some food / drink for the room for the TLN girls. Head to VeraCruz redlight block to meet Gw, showed him & Nap and Jerry that block + Raudal, nothing we wanted, it was early. Cab to New Life, about 20 girls, seemed to be the off Team though, only one I like and the other guys agreed (although she was way hot, but we needed 4. LOL. Hoofed it over to Casa Paris on Car 47, no real cuties, next Zandaly, 1 or 2 cuties but around the corner on Calle 57 a was a place I didn't know, between Calle 47 and Oriental, a place with a blue mural on the wall, (pic below) small inside but 3 or 4 cute spinners there, we lost Gw there. LOL, but the rest of us liked the same one. So I said f**k it, let's head to Energy, very long slow cab ride later we go in. Maybe 15+ girls in the lineup, all 3 of us forgot the name / number of the ones we liked (don't think it was their A Team either) so we have to ask to see the whole lineup again like morons. LOL 145 k, ea, Jerry picks one, Nuupter picks 2, I pick one. Mine was god awful, very bad back-rub then rubs my junk with several lotions, one burned like hell, then she held her hand in the way to prevent full penetration, I said F this and showered and went to wait 30/40 minutes for my boys, Jerry says Lucianna was the best, let him pop twice, then continued with the massage! Full hour! Mines name was MariAnna I believe, nice tit job and some big ass implants I believe, pretty face, nice smile but the worst service. Cab back to Plaza Botero, much better crowd of girls now, several I liked, we turn the corner by the brick wall and their is a hot little spinner, who might have been 70 lbs wet with the flatest stomach and tiny waist possible, wanted her bad, braces and all, Luisa, (pic) but damn, looked like she may have been too young, claims she is 23, I ask for ID, says she has none, I said sorry, and moved on, so wish she had had some ID. We hit Raudal, packed, the big butt girl was there, lots of dudes drinking and partying, we moved on, Taberna Victoria was packed and hot as hell, Conejitas was packed and hot, be Team girls (4:40 ish) Grille Nueva Avenida was so packed it was like someone opened a oven door, walked over to Barra Ejectiva which was nice and cool and empty but only 3 girls on that early, Maracaibo has a few more, but only one doable. Peeked in Yakusa, weak selection. Have a 8 pm TLN date with Sofie my redhead anyway. Back to room for shower and break and write some of this up before I forget everything. Couldn't get the little VeraCruz spinner Luisa out of my head, decided to run over to Vera Cruz and get her name / number, she was still there, told her to bring her ID tomorrow and I'd take her to my hotel for 100 k. She might had lost her ID as she said it seems as she WhatsApp'ed me a copy of it as I was on the bus to the airport on my last day. Sigh.

Date with Sofie could have gone better, she has to work next morning so had to jet by 1 am, we did Parque Boston, dinner at Lilli A La Carte which I strongly don't recommend, Nup. And Louie had dates that were both expensive be*tches, (I told Nup to stop making all night dates with Facebook chicks he hasn't met yet) we all got temp tattoos in the park, mine a Wolf, LOL, drinks at Bar Mao, me and Sophie cabbed back to the hotel, drank, danced, she tried on dresses I brought and picked 2, fun passionate sex and put her in a cab, soon as the cab turned the corner I hit Conejitas which was on the down slope, at least 4 dudes passed out in the club, hot girls all gone, hit Maricaibo, which had 2 or 3 cute spinners and Barra Ejective which had a bunch of big titty girls, both were less crowed by then so not so damn hot, will say the walk to Conejitas is spookier then the walk to BarraEj. At 1:30 ish AM but ended up at Yakusa which had about 5 girls, one cute enough for the $, they asked me to translate for a older gringo who was hanging out, ISG dude from Nebraska, he goes "Are you Wolf? LOL, I am, how the hell did you guess that, he said I was wandering Centro at 1:30 am by myself. LOL. So 45 k to take her, Andrea back to my hotel across the street (I really hate Yakusa's Unibomber Shack motif) she turned out to be the most fun of the day! GFE, danced, drank, french, we both had a blast in bed. I showed her some of the clothes, what she wanted was my nice Marriott beach towel I brought with me. LOL. I said sure! Tipped her 20 k for the awesome time, Nup's WhatsApping me to go out but going on 2 am and reached my daily budget of $ and 3 girls. Must sleep.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2081332]Yes, Colombia is just like Thailand and Vietnam, except with a murder rate 18 times higher than Vietnam and 7 times higher than Thailand.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[/URL][/QUOTE]But most of those are Colombian's murdering Colombian's, they get about 3 million tourists a year, over 400,000 are American's, I think I tracked about 10 dead US over a 10 yr period, mostly drug deals gone wrong or resisting armed robbery. The over-all Colombian rate is around 28 dead per 100,000 per year, but 1 US out of 400,000 per year would be a rate of point. 25 per 100,000. Much safer, too much heat to kill a tourist, the cops will actually work that case. (Although not 100% sure if that was 10 in all of Colombia or just MDE, looked into it months back).

And Jamaica, the Bahamas and USA Virgin Islands all have a higher murder rate and nobodies afraid to go there.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2081332]Yes, Colombia is just like Thailand and Vietnam, except with a murder rate 18 times higher than Vietnam and 7 times higher than Thailand.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes that was a weird thing to read.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2081106]Do the girls in Colombia go for bareback sex?[/QUOTE]LOL they all do if you have enough money.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2081106]Do the girls in Colombia go for bareback sex?[/QUOTE]Last I heard there are many babies being born in Colombia.

Oh I guess you meant working girls. There are some, but it takes hard work to get that. I'm talking about girls that are rated 6,and higher. The glue girls will do anything for another bag. Are you sure you want to go that route?

If I were you I would consider working on BBBJ, instead of the other most risky path.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2081386]And Jamaica, the Bahamas and USA Virgin Islands all have a higher murder rate and nobodies afraid to go there.[/QUOTE]I know many, many people who have had problems in Jamaica with robberies, both with and without violence. I have never been to the U.S. Virgin Islands but The Bahamas is about my least favorite country of over 50 I have visited, and Jamaica sucks in my book as well.

A lot of people aren't afraid to go to Jamaica and The Bahamas, because they stay in their beach resort and at other touristic type places. They don't go, for example, 'over the hill' in Nassau. So it's not really the same as going into the hood to pick up hookers. I have not been to Vietnam but to equate the level of violence in Thailand with that of Colombia is just absurd. And as far as it just being colombianos killing other colombianos, have you ever heard the phrase 'collateral damage'? You think they care if they take out a bystander or two?

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2081386] but 1 US out of 400,000 per year would be a rate of point. 25 per 100,000. [/QUOTE]You may wish to review that math. You are off by a factor of 100, which tends to erode your credibility.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2081577]You may wish to review that math. You are off by a factor of 100, which tends to erode your credibility.[/QUOTE]Which part is off by a factor of a hundred?

I have data:

# of tourists:

3.3 million in 2016.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Colombia[/URL]

Arrivals by country:

United States 498,960 (over my 400,000 figure).

Are you saying 10 x 100 =1,000 US tourists were killed in Colombia in the last 10 years? The figure of 10 I got came from either the State Dept or Colombia Reports, can't remember which, I also stated I didn't not remember if that was just Medellin or whole country.

Looking at the State Dept Stats I get 18 US dead from homicide in the last 5 years countrywide, 1/11 to 1/16. (going back further will skew the stats as Colombia has been getting safer).

[URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/statistics/deaths.html[/URL]

Of those only 5 were in Medellin and 1 in Bello.

Don't see anything off by a factor of hundred.

Anyone in Medellin tonight want to hit up a strip club?

Day 3, Sun.

Up at 7:45 (man I can not sleep more then 5 hrs or so in MDE).

Nup has a prepago / Fb date, LOL, taking Gw and Jerry to breakfast then VeraCruz / Raudal, then metro to Mayoista for a 1st time visit.

Met Queens35 in Plaza Botero and showed him VeraCruz & Raudal, he likes a Raudal chick and we parted.

Nup got stood up, LOL, came with us to Mayorista.

Sunday early afternoon subpar time for Mayorista but GW did a girl, we sat in a sidewalk cafe and had a drink, then Gw wanted to show us his El Poblado AirB&be, I don't care for that part of town, not gritty enough for me, I lived 5 years in Puntarenas, Costa Rica and Centro makes me feel at home.

They wanted to walk El Poblado, I was feeling a little off, took off, did a VeraCruz curcuit but Sunday afternoon offerings were weak, went back to the room just in time for what I now call "Bolivar's Revenge". LOL, I had some street meat on a stick the day before and it came back to haunt me with a passion, throwing up, squirts, shakes, hot flashes, didn't even feel good enough to get my antibiotics out of the bathroom plus I couldn't keep anything down.

Was bummed, I thought I'd be in bed the last 3 days of the trip.

Finally passed out and my boys came over at 10 pm, I felt somewhat better, did 1000 MG of Amocicillin and sucked down a bunch of water, showered and took off with Nup on a hunt, we did Maricabo first and there was my Venz Bombshell from last time looking hot as ever, she is mid 30's, 5'11", has rocking hard body and top of the line breast job, speaks english too but Nup is very picky and we moved on to Barra Ejectiva, he said no, we walked to Conejitas, that block is scarier after 11 then the BarraEjectiva block, sort of post nuclear apocalyptic waste land feel, the line up was a little weak so we cabbed over to Luna Lunera, my 1st visit, nice, only 6-8 chciks but 1 was a 10 to me, 5'2' perfect natural DD's beautiful face, little waist, Marianna, wanted her bad but Nup didn't like anything again so off to FaseII, not their A-Team, back to Luna Lunera (no cover, no pushy dude trying to sell you drinks, did a 1/2 HR with Mariana, 140 k, looked smoking with that little waist and natural DD's, fun too, but the room was too dark and hot, got her WhatsApp for a date at my hotel Monday, told her 250 k, waited for Nup who did the HR with her friend, then cabbed back to Centro, Nup jetted home, I wandered into Yakusa 1 am-ish, saw my girlie Andrea, told her we'd go to my hotel and then of course a new super little hottie comes out. Damn!

The new girl Rosanna, beautiful cat eyes, smoking little hot bod, fresh look, goes around with a hat for tips and then does a super sexy floor show down to nude at Yakusa using a chair as a prop, nice, I take Andrea over to my hotel (45 k) then walk her back and as soon as she goes in the back I ask the new girl Rosanna to come back to my hotel, LOL, now past 2 am, she looked great naked and was a little different, kept her shoes on and covered her face with a pillow half way through, screamed into it, I kinda liked it. And I was puking my guts out earlier that night, way to Rally! She left and I past out 3 am. Whewww.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2081577]You may wish to review that math. You are off by a factor of 100, which tends to erode your credibility.[/QUOTE]But then again, it could have been the correcting software. My apologizes if it was. In any case, 1 out of 400,000 (although a made-up number based on anecdotal knowledge) is [B]either[/B] point 25 per 100 thousand [B]or[/B] . 25 per 100 thousand. Hopefully the software will let this sentence stand as is.

[URL]http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/22/killing-3-foreigners-past-2-weeks-causing-alarm-in-colombia-medellin.html[/URL]

Three in two weeks does not exactly extrapolate out to one per year. But then again, neither does five:

[URL]https://colombiareports.com/japanese-becomes-4th-foreigner-killed-medellin-year/[/URL]

Hmm but Medellíand only has 5% of the country's population. So if five were killed by November in Medellíand alone, then 100 were killed in the overall country by Nov. So figure 125 gringos a year are killed in Colombia. Of course, that is just using bullshit extrapolation but certainly more than one gringo is getting killed per year in Medellíand.

Sunday. Details foggy, getting exhausted. Still a little sick.

I know we cruised Vera Cruz and Raudal, did some shopping. My first attempted jack happened, saw two cute spinner chicks headed into Botero Plaza, 1 white /1 black, I get ahead of them, the black one come up and grabs my ass, I stop to talk to the cuter one and the black one reaches into my pocket, nice try, chapstick and eye drops, $ is in lower pocket and money belt, I break away. See ya!

Had my Luna Lunera girl Marianna to the room for a 7 pm tryst, she was so hot I just offered her 300 k as I didn't want any chance of no or her flaking out. She comes over a bit Colombian, IE a hour late, we skip dinner and just go to my room, she's as hot and sweet as I remember, if you want a not fat chick with pretty face and awesome natural DD's she is your girl.

She splits, me and the boys start the circuit, BE / Maracaibo / Conejitas / Yakusa. Kinda early so not much yet, we cab to Grille SanDiego in the rain for my 1st visit, 10 k entry, I ask the door guy how many girls on, he says 20, yeah right, go in 3 not so hot girls on floor, I say see ya and we cab to FaseII, 20 girls on, some super hot as usual, meet a natural stunner spinner Estrella, 21 yo, beautiful face, slender body, perky tits, awesome tattoos, sweet attitude, I say lets do it, 190 k on site, WOW, one of those rare girls that is twice as hot naked, no stretch marks, scars, saggy anything, my jaw hits the floor. Real fun and passionate, get her # for her to come over Tues, again go high with 300 k cause damn I don't want to a no to be even possible. Jerry then see's her and pays the 190 k, I joked to Gw and Nup we were doing a slow train and they were next, flip for caboose. LOL.

After we jet back to Con / BE / Mar / Yak and I fall in lust with my Venz bombshell Rachel again, she's like 5'11" and has a very hard body / great tit job, tell her to come over for TLN, 300 k, (my budget was 900 k a day this time, good week at work before I left, LOL) when she gets off at 2 am, meanwhile we grab some food at Brase Pan and end up in Yakusa / BE till almost 2, she comes, tries on some dresses, likes 2 and the blond wig, LOL, we dance, drink, then I almost fall asleep when she remembers I have hot water, like a hour long shower, then we trade like hour long back rubs and get down, asleep at 4 am. Yikes.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2081632]But then again, it could have been the correcting software. My apologizes if it was. In any case, 1 out of 400,000 (although a made-up number based on anecdotal knowledge) is [B]either[/B] point 25 per 100 thousand [B]or[/B] . 25 per 100 thousand. Hopefully the software will let this sentence stand as is.

[URL]http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/22/killing-3-foreigners-past-2-weeks-causing-alarm-in-colombia-medellin.html[/URL]

Three in two weeks does not exactly extrapolate out to one per year. But then again, neither does five:

[URL]https://colombiareports.com/japanese-becomes-4th-foreigner-killed-medellin-year/[/URL]

Hmm but Medelland only has 5% of the country's population. So if five were killed by November in Medelland alone, then 100 were killed in the overall country by Nov. So figure 125 gringos a year are killed in Colombia. Of course, that is just using bullshit extrapolation but certainly more than one gringo is getting killed per year in Medelland.[/QUOTE]Only 19 gringos killed entire country last 5 years (2011-2016) according to State Dept data, link in last post on subject, 5 of those in MDE and 1 in Bello.

Also MDE metro area is about 3.7 million, out of a population of 48 million is more like 7.7%.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2081106]Do the girls in Colombia go for bareback sex?[/QUOTE]"You can get anything for a price that you pay but there is a price that you pay for anything you get".

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2081603]Which part is off by a factor of a hundred?

I have data:

# of tourists:

3.3 million in 2016.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Colombia[/URL]

Arrivals by country:

United States 498,960 (over my 400,000 figure).

Are you saying 10 x 100 =1,000 US tourists were killed in Colombia in the last 10 years? The figure of 10 I got came from either the State Dept or Colombia Reports, can't remember which, I also stated I didn't not remember if that was just Medellin or whole country..[/QUOTE]Extrapolating from that hard data we get 3. 6 dead per year out of roughly 500,000 US visitors, so we got point. 72 dead per 100,000 per year, Vs 26.5/100.000 dead Colombians, so yes, my original point stands, mostly by far Colombians killing Colombians. You can still be in the wrong place at the wrong time, but the US avg rate is 4.8 per 100,000 so Colombia is actually safer then the US for US tourists.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2081617]Day 3, Sun.
.....so we cabbed over to Luna Lunera, my 1st visit, nice, only 6-8 chciks but 1 was a 10 to me, 5'2' perfect natural DD's beautiful face, little waist, Marianna, wanted her bad but Nup didn't like anything again so off to FaseII, not their A-Team, back to Luna Lunera (no cover, no pushy dude trying to sell you drinks, did a 1/2 HR with Mariana, 140 k, looked smoking with that little waist and natural DD's, fun too, but the room was too dark and hot, got her WhatsApp.....[/QUOTE]Another Mariana pic.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2081632]But then again, it could have been the correcting software. My apologizes if it was. In any case, 1 out of 400,000 (although a made-up number based on anecdotal knowledge) is [B]either[/B] point 25 per 100 thousand [B]or[/B]

Of course, that is just using bullshit extrapolation but certainly more than one gringo is getting killed per year in Medelland.[/QUOTE]Yes I meant point 25.

And the numbers for the last 5 years do show 1 dead gringo a year in Medellin. (and one in Bellow over 5 years).

[URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/statistics/deaths.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2081632]But then again, it could have been the correcting software. My apologizes if it was. In any case, 1 out of 400,000 (although a made-up number based on anecdotal knowledge) is [B]either[/B] point 25 per 100 thousand [B]or[/B] . 25 per 100 thousand. Hopefully the software will let this sentence stand as is.

[URL]http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/22/killing-3-foreigners-past-2-weeks-causing-alarm-in-colombia-medellin.html[/URL]

Three in two weeks does not exactly extrapolate out to one per year. But then again, neither does five:

[URL]https://colombiareports.com/japanese-becomes-4th-foreigner-killed-medellin-year/[/URL]

Hmm but Medelland only has 5% of the country's population. So if five were killed by November in Medelland alone, then 100 were killed in the overall country by Nov. So figure 125 gringos a year are killed in Colombia. Of course, that is just using bullshit extrapolation but certainly more than one gringo is getting killed per year in Medelland.[/QUOTE]Wolf is talking about tourists from the US. In the article you linked to, the author states that he can only confirm the killing of four foreigners: a Japanese, a Mexican, an Israeli, and a Danish citizen. Maybe the fifth was from the US.

Either way, I feel as safe in Medellin as I do in Florida, especially now that a hurricane is threatening to blow me away!

Also, I'd rather talk about Wolf's new friend Rosanna. I like how she looks; and a screamer is added value.

Amazing guy. Looking forward to hanging with you locally my friend. Enjoyed meeting all of his friends, wish I had more time to hang out with everyone. I have met so many good friends in Medellin, my time is limited to just a week. Nuuptor had a great review of his week, I really appreciate reading your review. Cool meeting up with you and the gang. The casas are a bargain and the street behind the Parque Botero museum has some amazing bargains. Most girls for 30-50 mil. Wow!

[QUOTE=UsbDawg;2081704]Amazing last week. Great meeting the "Wolfpack"
Amazing guy. Looking forward to hanging with you locally my friend. Enjoyed meeting all of his friends, wish I had more time to hang out with everyone![/QUOTE]We're like VISA. "Everywhere you want to be! LOL.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2081650]Extrapolating from that hard data[/QUOTE]What 'hard data' are those? Anecdotally you heard one US tourist was killed, but I provided a link showing that several were killed in the same year.

Anyway, to compare the entire US with Medelland centro is a bit preposterous. And anyone who's been to both Thailand and Colombia and finds the level of danger to be similar, either has a very unique perspective or just plain has his head up his ass.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2081930]What 'hard data' are those? Anecdotally you heard one US tourist was killed, but I provided a link showing that several were killed in the same year..[/QUOTE]You must have missed a post then, that would be the State Dept website figures, hardly anecdotal, 5 year avg of 3. 6 dead Americans per year out of around 500,000 visitors per yr, with around 1.2 a year avg being killed in MDE if we include Bello.

Over all that makes the Colombia avg rate of point 72 per 100,000 safer the the avg US rate of 4. 8. Will your chances go up at 2 am wandering around Centro drunk with a wad of cash? For sure.

Day 5/6 Tues / Weds.

Wake up 9:30 ish, Rachel still passed out, I head down to pay hotel bill for 5 days, find Jerry coming in with a little cutie takeout from Yakusa (45 k), bit later Jerry comes over to head to Salon Versalles for breakfast, Rachel gets up totally naked to say HI to Jerry. We all do breakfast, I message my fav Conejitas girl Tanaya who is in the Islands to warn her to get to high ground due to the approaching hurricane, she says she flew out early to avoid the storm and has been in MDE for a day! I make a dinner date with her, ditch Rachel, meet Nup w / Jerry for a VeraCruz run, finally the number and quality were back up, do some shopping, buy a awesome Colombian hammock for 60 k, a little old lady under the metro in Botero had the large Botero statues for 10 k, the same ones the shop had for 60 k, get one of those, the horsey. I am exhausted and go back to wait for my 4 pm with Estrella from Fase, OMG, she was on time, like 4:05 she shows up! How un-Colombian is that?! She tries on the last 2 girls items, likes them both and we dance a bit and then she strip teases while my tongue rolls down to the floor. She looks super hot naked again and is a fun and responsive little minx. Kick her at 5:30 ish to rest a bit since Tanya's 1st ETA was 7 ish, I think Tanya can hook my boys up at her club, she'll know who for how much. Planning on the tradional resturant La Hacienda on Paseo Junin with Tanya and the boys.

Estrella just WhatsApped me wants to come over tomorow AM before I go airport, depends what time I kick Tanya.

At this point need a vacation to recover from my vacation! Lower back starting to hurt. LOL.

Tanya can't make dinner, but we eat way to much and the food is so good there, but damn we can barely move we are so full, back to my hotel for a breather and wait for Tanya, she meets us 10 p, hit her club, dead, go to BarraEx next, Tanya knows all the hot ones, 20+ girls, usual mostly big titty types, a few very hot, (I thought) we drink there till almost 1 am-ish, ISG member Queens35 meets us with a bud of his, my boys can't find the one they want for the price they wanted. (most wanted 300 k TLN + 60 k club exit fee) Tanya is the life of the club as usual, doing shots, dancing, singing, inviting hotties over to sit with us.

Walk thru Maricibo a few times, pretty dead, 1 or 2 cuties + plus my Amazon Venz Rachel already dancing in the black dress I gave her.

Me & Tanya head back the 2 blocks in a cab due to rain, we drink, smoke, dance, back rubs, fun till 3 am-ish, get up 9 am more fun, go to breakfast at Brase Pan, hit the local mall to replace my watch-the band had broke, found a nice Casio store, found a nice dive watch pretty cheap.

Early bus to airport just in case. Spirit knocks back my conecting flt back 4 hrs, won't get home till past 3 am, have to be at work early, kill me now.

It's offical, I hate Spirit too now, MDE takeoff pushed past 5 p for a org 1:21 flt. Plus we sit on the runway for 1/2 HR because "They are paving some potholes". LOL. My connect in Ft Lauderdale pushed back 4 hrs, I'll lucky to get home by 3 am. I assuming I get out of here at all. Send laywers, guns and money!. LOL.

The end.

On a side note my US Sugar Baby looks good in the MDE shirt I got her! Notice her size 4-1/2 feet. Petite!

(plus I got her some jewelry, bracelets, chocolates, coffee etc.).

Missed her enough to have her over my 1st night back, after I got home at 3 am and up at 8 am out to work in the heat. She be fine! 20 yo, natural DD's.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2081990]On a side note my US Sugar Baby looks good in the MDE shirt I got her! Notice her size 4-1/2 feet. Petite!

(plus I got her some jewelry, bracelets, chocolates, coffee etc.).

Missed her enough to have her over my 1st night back, after I got home at 3 am and up at 8 am out to work in the heat. She be fine! 20 yo, natural DD's.[/QUOTE]Dunno how you do it Wolf! Catch up with you after this crazy Hurricane Irma blows through here.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2081930]What 'hard data' are those? Anecdotally you heard one US tourist was killed, but I provided a link showing that several were killed in the same year.[/QUOTE]The two links you provided were for foreign tourists killed in Medellin, but none of them were from the US.

And this thread is for Chit Chat.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3873-Medellin-Chit-Chat-Thread[/URL]

[QUOTE=UsbDawg;2081704]Amazing guy. Looking forward to hanging with you locally my friend. Enjoyed meeting all of his friends, wish I had more time to hang out with everyone. I have met so many good friends in Medellin, my time is limited to just a week. Nuuptor had a great review of his week, I really appreciate reading your review. Cool meeting up with you and the gang. The casas are a bargain and the street behind the Parque Botero museum has some amazing bargains. Most girls for 30-50 mil. Wow![/QUOTE]Back at ya big daddy! Left you out of the story because I could not remember your screen name. But we ran into each other a lot for a city of 3 million, LOL. New Life, Mayorista subway (Ayura) and then down in Botero Plaza. About to bug out from my beach house, storm's getting close.

[QUOTE=Vatore007;2081106]Do the girls in Colombia go for bareback sex?[/QUOTE]If your looking for bareback sex then you will find it in El Centro if you have Spanish speaking skills and are prepared to pay for it. Risky business screwing Street hookers bareback but lots of them will if the price is right.

I had a great time with the Wolf Pack in MDE. I meet several guys from this group, and they all were great guys.

Wolf was very helpful and patient with us newbies, if you want a safe and great time in MDE, try to get Wolf to show you around.

I will do my best to meet Wolf on his next trip back to MDE.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2082435] Risky business screwing Street hookers bareback but lots of them will if the price is right.[/QUOTE]I am not sure whether it is more risky for them or for the one who is used to tempt them with money.

[QUOTE=Gwl8012;2082571]I had a great time with the Wolf Pack in MDE. I meet several guys from this group, and they all were great guys.

Wolf was very helpful and patient with us newbies, if you want a safe and great time in MDE, try to get Wolf to show you around.

I will do my best to meet Wolf on his next trip back to MDE.[/QUOTE]The #1 Wolf fan 😉 Lol

I just posted this on the chit chat thread, but think it's better suited here.

I just did a 2-week trip to Bogota, and am going back in November. I'm trying to decide if it is a mistake not to book Medellin.

There is a reason gringos skip Bogota, and go right to Medellin. I'm wondering what that reason is?

My research says that Bogota has the same venues for chicas, and actually a higher volume of each. My research says there are more casas, escorts, strip clubs, clip-joint strip clubs, etc in Bogota than Medellin. My research also says the pricing is not that much cheaper if at all in Medellin (with the exception possibly being the north zone clip joints in Bogota).

So I am wondering why so many gringos have decided to skip Bogota and do Medellin? Maybe GFE is much more prevalent in Medellin than Bogota? That Bogota is one big "tourist trap" of poor service? Or maybe Bogota & the Santa Fe district are perceived as too dangerous? Or maybe my research on venues & pricing is flawed?

I'll be in Medellin on 15th - 22nd and 26th - 27th also in Bogota 22nd - 26th pm if you want to hangout and show me the ropes this will be my first time in Medellin.

[QUOTE=StripperMan;2082951]There is a reason gringos skip Bogota, and go right to Medellin. I'm wondering what that reason is?[/QUOTE]Weather, and the relative size and navigability of the cities, are two likely factors. Then there is what I call the 'circular factor': more gringos go to Medellín because more other gringos go to Medellín. Plus the altitude in Bogotá can raise issues for flatlanders if they are only there for a short visit.

[QUOTE=StripperMan;2082951]So I am wondering why so many gringos have decided to skip Bogota and do Medellin? [/QUOTE]The International Sex Guide.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2083204]Weather, and the relative size and navigability of the cities, are two likely factors. Then there is what I call the 'circular factor': more gringos go to Medelln because more other gringos go to Medelln. Plus the altitude in Bogot can raise issues for flatlanders if they are only there for a short visit.[/QUOTE]I like Bogota, but Medellin is undoubtedly a better place to stay for work: milder climate, cheaper things (hotel, restaurants and working girls), paisas divinas (I mean that), efficient transportation and less congestion. SHould I relocate for work, Medellin is where I would go.

P.S.: this is a question for ULTRA-regulars of Bogota. There is an area, south of CL. 19, probably west of Caracas, which I visited years ago by chance. Lots of small bars and music. Something like the NED in Centro of Medellin, but not an open-air sex district. Nothing like Santa Fe, I mean. The taxi driver told me the name of the area, but I forgot. Anyone knows some names of areas like that? I think it was even south of Bronx (RIP).

[QUOTE=Turgid;2083220]The International Sex Guide.[/QUOTE]
Yep LOL. The question then should have been maybe: "So I am wondering why so many gringos have decided to skip Bogota and [i] go to Mansion[/i]?"

[QUOTE=StripperMan;2082951]I just posted this on the chit chat thread, but think it's better suited here.[/QUOTE]The chit-chat thread is a dev/null sink. A honeypot to make chit-chat to stop. (bear with my, WT69. I love your work and I am grateful for everything you do).

[QUOTE=StripperMan;2082951]I just did a 2-week trip to Bogota, and am going back in November. I'm trying to decide if it is a mistake not to book Medellin.

There is a reason gringos skip Bogota, and go right to Medellin. I'm wondering what that reason is?[/QUOTE]For me, each city has its pros and cons. I had just revisited MED a few weeks ago. Before booking the trip, it was not an easy choice between the 2 cities. I had been to both a couple times each prior. Bogota definitely has a lot more options than Medellin in a monger's perspective. It's a much bigger city with probably 3 times the population. Here you will find chicas from all parts of Colombia, and unlike Medellin, nobody will question the purpose of your trip. You can easily blend in. But you will definitely pay higher prices for almost everything in Bogota including accommodation, food, chicas, taxis. Beside, weather in BOG is not as comfortable, traffic a lot worse and the altitude issue as the other member pointed out. So it really comes down to what you are looking for in your trip.

[QUOTE=StripperMan;2082951]I just posted this on the chit chat thread, but think it's better suited here.

I just did a 2-week trip to Bogota, and am going back in November. I'm trying to decide if it is a mistake not to book Medellin.

There is a reason gringos skip Bogota, and go right to Medellin. I'm wondering what that reason is?

My research says that Bogota has the same venues for chicas, and actually a higher volume of each. My research says there are more casas, escorts, strip clubs, clip-joint strip clubs, etc in Bogota than Medellin. My research also says the pricing is not that much cheaper if at all in Medellin (with the exception possibly being the north zone clip joints in Bogota).

So I am wondering why so many gringos have decided to skip Bogota and do Medellin? Maybe GFE is much more prevalent in Medellin than Bogota? That Bogota is one big "tourist trap" of poor service? Or maybe Bogota & the Santa Fe district are perceived as too dangerous? Or maybe my research on venues & pricing is flawed?[/QUOTE]Some good opinions already made by some other verteran mongers, let me add my two cents:

I actually traveled to Bogota many times for about a three year period from 2009 through about 2011, I have some great experiences with rollo chicas, a few nights were off the charts as I partied like a rock star, but that was back 7 and 8 years ago and have not mongered in Bogota in over 5 years now as back in 2010 stated with the Paisas in medellin.

You can find plenty of suitable fun and adventurous chicas be it in medellin or Bogota, for me the weather in medellin hands-down blows away the cold and rainy Hi altitude medellin weather and is a big deciding factor for me and others.

I sit right now in my apartment in medellin and we had just a brief sprinkling of rain this morning but right now it is 70 f outside and I sit here in shorts with my balcony door fully opened.

As for chicas, we have a wide variety of venues, casas, prepagos, escorts, street walkers and the higher end clubs like La Isla and Fase Dos. Just a few hours ago I enjoyed a 20 yo escort, low mileage, cute and adorable, I paid 200,000 plus her taxi, her fee was 150,000 but since her service was GF like experience, and it was, I gave her a 50 mil propina. She was the third escort I have had over in the past 8 days. I will repeat with her.

The medellin casa girls can be had for about 50 mil to 100 mil depending the length of time and the casa.

I suggest that you visit medellin next trip, you will be back.

TTM.

[QUOTE=StripperMan;2082951]I just posted this on the chit chat thread, but think it's better suited here.

I just did a 2-week trip to Bogota, and am going back in November. I'm trying to decide if it is a mistake not to book Medellin.

There is a reason gringos skip Bogota, and go right to Medellin. I'm wondering what that reason is?

My research says that Bogota has the same venues for chicas, and actually a higher volume of each. My research says there are more casas, escorts, strip clubs, clip-joint strip clubs, etc in Bogota than Medellin. My research also says the pricing is not that much cheaper if at all in Medellin (with the exception possibly being the north zone clip joints in Bogota).

So I am wondering why so many gringos have decided to skip Bogota and do Medellin? Maybe GFE is much more prevalent in Medellin than Bogota? That Bogota is one big "tourist trap" of poor service? Or maybe Bogota & the Santa Fe district are perceived as too dangerous? Or maybe my research on venues & pricing is flawed?[/QUOTE]If casas are your thing and you just want to get as much bang for your buck as possible and aren't offended by a fairly impersonal sexual experience then Bogota is the way to go.

If you are more inclined to GFE. Then Medellin is the way to go. Keep in mind that you will have to connect with chicks through facebook and set up appointments on your own. As the casa experience in Medellin isn't any better than in Bogota.

If you don't have a list of contacts on facebook then I strongly suggest you look into staying at the Mansion in Medellin. As it is the only place I have found that consistently has short time girls that give BBBJ with no up sell and a full blown GFE is the norm.

Is that there are more varieties of restaurants. It is difficult to eat cooked vegetable dish or a variety of fish dishes in Medellin and other cities. Also there is more variety in working girls, and there are more cultural and artistic events in Bogotá.

I'd like to thank all you guys for the quick replies. I have a much better idea now of why Medellin is more populated with gringos. The climate, altitude, cost of living, and in some areas GFE is all better in Medellin, and word has traveled in the monger network.

In the two weeks I was in Bogotá I got lucky in that it barely rained the whole time. However the sun didn't come out much either. And as for wearing shorts & a t-shirt on a balcony. Well lets just say if you are brave you can wear jeans & a short sleeve shirt for about an hour or two in the afternoon. Otherwise, it's sleeves required at all times. Also, I never got used to the altitude completely, and I am in pretty decent shape & drink a lot of water.

Fortunately, the prices for lodging, food, etc were not a problem for me. After spending so much time in Tijuana, Mexico & the Dominican Republic, the costs of those things in Bogotá were almost half what I am used to. The lower costs in Medellin would feel like a give-away to me.

What strongly attracts me to Medellin is the idea that GFE is more readily available there. However, the notion that one better go to Medellin with pre-prepared Facebook hookups, etc says to me that GFE is maybe a little more available there than in Bogotá, but not really.

I'm not a casa guy or escort guy really. I much prefer the strip cubs, the non clip-joint ones. I'd like to believe that I will cruise into the 3 strip clubs near Degrief (or is it el centro), and see many more soft sweet chicas than I did at Fiebre or Troya, etc. I'd like to believe that 2-3 out of ten will be GFE material instead of the 1 out of 10 at best that it is in Bogotá.

Probably not the case though huh?

[QUOTE=StripperMan;2083365]However, the notion that one better go to Medellin with pre-prepared Facebook hookups, etc says to me that ...........
I'm not a casa guy or escort guy really. I much prefer the strip cubs, the non clip-joint ones......[/QUOTE]Go to Medellin and enjoy, following YOUR attitude and personal compass. "To each his own" and "YMMV" are the rules. I bet you will love Medellin and you will never want to come back. (and forget also Facebook "supermodels", unless you are interested to try girls already mastering the art of entertaining rich gringos).

Questionable, but my opinion.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2083503]Go to Medellin and enjoy, following YOUR attitude and personal compass. "To each his own" and "YMMV" are the rules. I bet you will love Medellin and you will never want to come back. (and forget also Facebook "supermodels", unless you are interested to try girls already mastering the art of entertaining rich gringos).

Questionable, but my opinion.[/QUOTE]Well put BP.

GFE from lower end strip club girls is entirely possible.

Most depends on you and your personality, language skill, etc.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2083302]Is that there are more varieties of restaurants. It is difficult to eat cooked vegetable dish or a variety of fish dishes in Medellin and other cities. Also there is more variety in working girls, and there are more cultural and artistic events in Bogot.[/QUOTE]Bogota logically has more of everything -- hot women, restaurants, clubs, culture. It should as it's 3 times bigger than MDE.

I'll take the perfect 78 degree weather and lower altitude of MDE every day.

[QUOTE=StripperMan;2083365]

I'm not a casa guy or escort guy really. I much prefer the strip cubs, the non clip-joint ones. I'd like to believe that I will cruise into the 3 strip clubs near Degrief (or is it el centro), and see many more soft sweet chicas than I did at Fiebre or Troya, etc. I'd like to believe that 2-3 out of ten will be GFE material instead of the 1 out of 10 at best that it is in Bogot.

Probably not the case though huh?[/QUOTE]The odds are not in your favor.

You should do exactly what I said. Book a room at the Mansion. It is a completely different environment than strip clubs and casas.

The girls there know the value in giving a GFE as they know that they will see you again if you are staying there.

Girls in strip clubs and casas have so many one time customers that the idea of giving excellent service to cultivate a following just doesn't really occur to them.

At the Mansion girls have gone from rags to riches building a cult following and other chicks take notice.

[QUOTE=StripperMan;2083365]
I'm not a casa guy or escort guy really. I much prefer the strip cubs, the non clip-joint ones. I'd like to believe that I will cruise into the 3 strip clubs near Degrief (or is it el centro), and see many more soft sweet chicas than I did at Fiebre or Troya, etc. I'd like to believe that 2-3 out of ten will be GFE material instead of the 1 out of 10 at best that it is in Bogot.

Probably not the case though huh?[/QUOTE]Cartagena has hookers at the late night clubs (after 11 pm onwards). There's only one "strip club" in the old city. Everything else late at night tends to have some hookers. But it's a more expensive city.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2083586]The odds are not in your favor.

You should do exactly what I said. Book a room at the Mansion. It is a completely different environment than strip clubs and casas.

The girls there know the value in giving a GFE as they know that they will see you again if you are staying there.

Girls in strip clubs and casas have so many one time customers that the idea of giving excellent service to cultivate a following just doesn't really occur to them.

At the Mansion girls have gone from rags to riches building a cult following and other chicks take notice.[/QUOTE]Is there a good "beginner's guide to the Mansion" post here somewhere, that's still somewhat current? I poked through a number of pages (RTTF) but didn't quite figure it out.

-Cartman.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2083586]
You should do exactly what I said. Book a room at the Mansion. It is a completely different environment than strip clubs and casas.
The girls there know the value in giving a GFE as they know that they will see you again if you are staying there.
Girls in strip clubs and casas have so many one time customers that the idea of giving excellent service to cultivate a following just doesn't really occur to them.
At the Mansion girls have gone from rags to riches building a cult following and other chicks take notice.[/QUOTE]Girls at Mansion give GFE?? But girls in clubs not, because they have too many customers??
I have never been at Mansion, because I thought it was difficult to find fresh first-timers. You offer a new perspective. ROFL.
Your advice seems biased to me, to say the least.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;2083689]Is there a good "beginner's guide to the Mansion" post here somewhere, that's still somewhat current?.[/QUOTE]
Mansion is a place organized and conceived mainly for Americans, who need a guide and penis-feeding on site (the P4P version of spoon-feeding). So now there is the need of a "beginner's guide" for first-time users of a spoon-feeding guide? Man, the world is complex.

I spent 2 nights there 2 years ago. Live in Laureles 3 or 4 months out of a year.

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I would never over pay at the mansion, knowing it is much cheaper just down the street.

But I have never seen a place like Medellin, where no one knows English!

Wolf made it possible for me to enjoy Medellin, because he grew up in Costa Rica and knows Spanish.

Fase dos has all real 10's for 190 k peso's (less than $60.00) 15+ every night.

Many of the casa's have 6-8's for 40 K. (less than $13.00).

Many other strip clubs have 6-9's for 80 k-130 k peso (about $24.00 - $39.00).

You can stay at Hotel Botero for $30.00 a night. Double opp.

But if you don't know any spanish you will have a tough time.

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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2083690]

Girls at Mansion give GFE?? But girls in clubs not, because they have too many customers??
I have never been at Mansion, because I thought it was difficult to find fresh first-timers. You offer a new perspective. ROFL.
Your advice seems biased to me, to say the least.

[/QUOTE]I don't think my opinions are necessarily biased but they are anecdotal and of course YMMV.

I found the highest percentage of GFE at the Mansion. I'd estimate 75 percent on average.

I don't know why Club girls don't give a GFE as much as the Mansion chicks. But my guess would be. Because they don't feel it will get them much on average.

From my experience about 25 percent of Club girls will give a GFE if you pay the multa and take them out of the club. It drops down to 10 percent or less if you do them at the club.

I have also found that you can increase the odds of club chicks giving you a GFE to about 50% if you get their phone number and they actually show up at your apartment for a TLN instead of going to work at the club.

But dealing with women that have worked the clubs is a headache for the most part. When you say that you want a TLN and try to get a price out of them. They often want you to tell them how many hours she will spend with you. The whole idea of spending a mutually enjoyable time together. So you want to see them again and again. Seems to be a foreign concept to most of them. But not all.

The only upside to club chicks is that there are more hotter chicks on average than at the Mansion. And that's it. With casa chicks you have the same pitfalls as the Club chicks except they are less attractive on average then the Mansion women.

The absolute best way to get the hottest chicks with the highest percentage of GFE is through facebook. Sky is the limit on looks and they often want less than the best looking girls at the clubs. Only draw back to facebook is that it is a time consuming process to friend and sell the idea of them selling their ass to you. Often times you will find women that are working facebook for clients. Usually they worked at the Mansion in the past or other venues. But they are still much more likely to give a good GFE than Club chicks. Just because they value repeat customers. And plenty quit working clubs so they would have more control over who they are doing. Which is a good thing. If you are looking for a true GFE.

For the guys that are really interested in a GFE. Anytime a girl flakes on you and is a no show. She did you a huge favor. Because it would have really sucked if she had been hard up enough to actually show up.

And if you can't get a replacement for your no show. You can always roll the dice at the clubs.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2083787]I don't know why Club girls don't give a GFE as much as the Mansion chicks. But my guess would be. Because they don't feel it will get them much on average.[/QUOTE]Not my experience at all. I constantly get GFE from strip club and casa chicks and I don't give all those tips and taxi money shits nor do I buy them drinks. I just pay the basic price in the casas and the negotiated price in the strip clubs. And even if I didn't get the GFE, for $12 in a casa or $20 in a strip club I don't think I can go wrong. It costs that much just to walk in the door of a strip club back home where I more than likely will not get to fuck.

How many chicks are usually at the Mansion versus the hundreds in the casas and strip clubs?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2083939]Not my experience at all. I constantly get GFE from strip club and casa chicks?[/QUOTE]I am definitely all about GFE. I find prepagos, strippers, street walkers, webcam models, and semi-pros to be too hardened for me. I've been in Mde twice and have never set foot in a casa or strip club. I was tempted but I usually go by myself to Mde and don't feel safe in areas where they are usually located.

I've had great success on SA. Although my batting average is lower than most that look for the hardened ones I mentioned. For example I only fucked 3/40 girls I original messaged. The 3 I was initimate with were amazing. Easily an 8 or 9 in looks on *** and 9/10 performance. The best part was that they showed me places and things that I would've never thought to do. Like joining me to guatape, rio negro, inviting me to their universities to smoke weed and show me off to their friends, showing me their favorite activities and gems in the city that's not in a tourist guide. And the best part is all 3 were down with being choked, anal, CIM, bareback, rimming etc. True GFE. The way I fucked these girls and had rough sex with them was almost out of the scenes from 50 shades of grey or a porno and they loved it!. Hell I even fucked all 3 on the balcony of my high rise airbnb overlooking the amazing views of Mde and out in the open! Anyone could see us if they knew where to look when we were fucking on my balcony haha.They treated me like their BF and always were so happy to sleep overnight in my airbnb. I just treat them like normal everyday women and expect the same respect.

The best part is, they never want any money from me. I usually give them $100.000 mil pesos ($35 usd) for all day / night as a thank you but after the 2nd or 3rd time they don't accept my gifts. They are just happy to be treated like special ladies doing fun activities with me and eating at expensive places. Well expensive for colombian standards but cheap for USA standards.

Anyways. My question to you gents is what has your experience on SA, OKC, and tinder? Which dating app is best? I use SA because I am also on it in the states. Also with SA there is incentive for the chicas to meet you because they think you are a rich sugar daddy and usually never flake. The problem I've noticed is that the user base in Mde for SA is small and 50% of the chicas are hardened pros.

What's a bette dating app? Tinder or OKC to meet Chicas in Mde?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2083939]Not my experience at all. I constantly get GFE from strip club and casa chicks and I don't give all those tips and taxi money shits nor do I buy them drinks.
..............
How many chicks are usually at the Mansion versus the hundreds in the casas and strip clubs?[/QUOTE]Sure.

I remember a girl from Luna Lunera. After the standard deed in one of those room, I took her phone and we met out of the club. We went to dance and drink in a bar of La 70, not far from LL. She even wanted me to speak with her mum, who was calling her and wanted to know if she was safe or doing nasty things. We met a couple more times, but then she became "too much" GFE and started to demand gifts that for me were out of question. Our friendship ended in Mangos.

I had a fantastic GF who was working as waitress in a swinger club.

Opportunities are endless, considered the number of streets, bars and clubs that make lively Medellin at night.

Different people has different concepts of what is "GFE", probably.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2083939]Not my experience at all. I constantly get GFE from strip club and casa chicks and I don't give all those tips and taxi money shits nor do I buy them drinks. I just pay the basic price in the casas and the negotiated price in the strip clubs. And even if I didn't get the GFE, for $12 in a casa or $20 in a strip club I don't think I can go wrong. It costs that much just to walk in the door of a strip club back home where I more than likely will not get to fuck.

How many chicks are usually at the Mansion versus the hundreds in the casas and strip clubs?[/QUOTE]I know some guys can do that. I can't however. I can spend days walking all over el centro and not find one chick that I'd really want to do. And on the occasion that I do find one that I can do for 20 bucks. It really isn't something that I would do again.

I wish I was like you guys that can get value out of those kinds of experiences but sadly I can't seem to do that.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2083977]Sure.

Different people has different concepts of what is "GFE", probably.

[/QUOTE]Yeah I think you are right about that but you'd think it would be obvious.

A GFE is well a girl that acts and fucks like your girlfriend does.

Likes to make out with you. Affectionate in public. Spends the night. Wakes up and initiates sex. Condom optional. BBBJ no extra charge. Never asks for money upfront and asks if she can come over again before she leaves in the morning or afternoon. Or better yet just stays with you a couple of days at a time.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2084025]I know some guys can do that. I can't however. I can spend days walking all over el centro and not find one chick that I'd really want to do. And on the occasion that I do find one that I can do for 20 bucks. It really isn't something that I would do again.

I wish I was like you guys that can get value out of those kinds of experiences but sadly I can't seem to do that.[/QUOTE]Give those apps a shot. What I like about SA is that the girls already know you are looking for sex. But I also treat it like regular dating. If there's no chemistry, then next girl! I don't even bother with pros or semi-pros. The thing with SA is that although you are willing to give money for intimacy. I make it clear to the chicas that I'm not interested in prepagos and that I'm looking for amiga con derecho or novia when I am in town. If something develops then awesome. If not then both parties knows that its an arrangement. I do not gift before intimacy. The chicas that I sleep with usually never bring up money at all and are happy to just have a nice dinner, nice date, and amazing sex with an extranjero. The thing is to seduce them like you would with regular dating. Since I'm new to Medellin. I ask them to think of creative dates for us to go on. Doesn't have to be expensive or grandiose. It can also be simple and creative. If you seduce them, are charming, interesting, and try to speak Spanish. They normally will return with hot wet panties just wanting to experience a "rich" cute extranjero.

But I do admit that it doesn't come easy and takes a lot of work with interviewing and selecting. You can usually weed out the flakes, pros, semi pros, or ones that are only interested in money from the beginning. PM if you need advice. Good luck brother.

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2084052]Give those apps a shot. What I like about SA is that the girls already know you are looking for sex. But I also treat it like regular dating. If there's no chemistry, then next girl! I don't even bother with pros or semi-pros. The thing with SA is that although you are willing to give money for intimacy. I make it clear to the chicas that I'm not interested in prepagos and that I'm looking for amiga con derecho or novia when I am in town...

But I do admit that it doesn't come easy and takes a lot of work with interviewing and selecting. You can usually weed out the flakes, pros, semi pros, or ones that are only interested in money from the beginning. PM if you need advice. Good luck brother👍.[/QUOTE]So you go on SA and pretend the women you meet are not hookers? That it's dating? This sounds like the last gentleman who sent dick pix and ended up with more than he bargained for. It's fine to live out some fantasy but be careful.

I tried SA for a month. Made some good contacts. Some of the girls re definitely hardened pros, but many of them are not. Some of them are actually looking for a relationship. Some are just looking to be treated nice. I was with one non-pro. Took her to eat in Laureles at a Mexican place (her choice) and then she stayed overnight with me and fucked me for free. She saw me the next 2-3 days. I finally had to make excuses because I didn't want to pass all of my time with one chicas. And she is not the only one. I may sign up again. I've been getting lots of message on SA, but can't read them because I did not renew. I ve tried Tinder a little. Had one chica over a year ago. She came over. We fooled around. She was on her period, but wanted her clit licked. Good kissing. Free. Have not tried OK Cupid.

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2083963]I am definitely all about GFE. I find prepagos, strippers, street walkers, webcam models, and semi-pros to be too hardened for me. I've been in Mde twice and have never set foot in a casa or strip club. I was tempted but I usually go by myself to Mde and don't feel safe in areas where they are usually located.

I've had great success on SA. Although my batting average is lower than most that look for the hardened ones I mentioned. For example I only fucked 3/40 girls I original messaged. The 3 I was initimate with were amazing. Easily an 8 or 9 in looks on *** and 9/10 performance. The best part was that they showed me places and things that I would've never thought to do. Like joining me to guatape, rio negro, inviting me to their universities to smoke weed and show me off to their friends, showing me their favorite activities and gems in the city that's not in a tourist guide. And the best part is all 3 were down with being choked, anal, CIM, bareback, rimming etc. True GFE. The way I fucked these girls and had rough sex with them was almost out of the scenes from 50 shades of grey or a porno and they loved it!. Hell I even fucked all 3 on the balcony of my high rise airbnb overlooking the amazing views of Mde and out in the open! Anyone could see us if they knew where to look when we were fucking on my balcony haha.They treated me like their BF and always were so happy to sleep overnight in my airbnb. I just treat them like normal everyday women and expect the same respect.

The best part is, they never want any money from me. I usually give them $100.000 mil pesos ($35 usd) for all day / night as a thank you but after the 2nd or 3rd time they don't accept my gifts. They are just happy to be treated like special ladies doing fun activities with me and eating at expensive places. Well expensive for colombian standards but cheap for USA standards.

Anyways. My question to you gents is what has your experience on SA, OKC, and tinder? Which dating app is best? I use SA because I am also on it in the states. Also with SA there is incentive for the chicas to meet you because they think you are a rich sugar daddy and usually never flake. The problem I've noticed is that the user base in Mde for SA is small and 50% of the chicas are hardened pros.

What's a bette dating app? Tinder or OKC to meet Chicas in Mde?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2084081]So you go on SA and pretend the women you meet are not hookers? That it's dating? This sounds like the last gentleman who sent dick pix and ended up with more than he bargained for. It's fine to live out some fantasy but be careful.[/QUOTE]PepolesBuddy.

"But I also treat it like regular dating. If there's no chemistry, then next girl! I don't even bother with pros or semi-pros. ".

He is just saying that he likes sleeping with women that well.

Actually really like him. Might be a foreign concept for some but I get it.

When you have such a large disparity between the haves and the have nots you see all kinds of relationships that have something to do with money but aren't necessarily prostitution.

I have seen prepagos that obviously can't stand the sight of the guy they are with and try to get him to pop his load as fast as possible to get the hell away from him and girls that really care for the guy they are with and wish he would dump his wife or girlfriend so they could live together. The guy isn't even really paying for the sex but rather paying to keep her in a dead end relationship.

I remember watching a telenovela years ago where the wife left the room and the husband started kissing the maid. As soon as they stopped kissing the husband said "I want you" and the maid said "you know I need help with my tuition" jajaja.

I don't think anything like that would ever be shown on American TV. But goes to show you just how ingrained paying for pussy is in Colombian culture if you aren't in a position to offer them a serious relationship.

When you stop dealing exclusively with hardened pros you will sometimes find women that will refuse to take the money after you sleep with them because they would actually prefer to have you in a serious relationship rather than take the little bit of cash and have nothing else.

"BBBJ at no extra charge" lmfao! LOL! You set the bar really low. Too funny.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2084044]Yeah I think you are right about that but you'd think it would be obvious.

A GFE is well a girl that acts and fucks like your girlfriend does.

Likes to make out with you. Affectionate in public. Spends the night. Wakes up and initiates sex. Condom optional. BBBJ no extra charge. Never asks for money upfront and asks if she can come over again before she leaves in the morning or afternoon. Or better yet just stays with you a couple of days at a time.[/QUOTE]

Any of you lads have any information on the swing clubs in Mde? Are they like the ones described in the reports in Bogota? Any shared information would be great I. E, name, location, contact, atmosphere, how things work etc. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2084112]"BBBJ at no extra charge" lmfao! LOL! You set the bar really low. Too funny.[/QUOTE]LOL!

Probably wouldn't have mentioned it. But when you hear guys saying that they regularly get a girlfriend experience at the strip club. You can see the bar isn't even as high as a BBBJ without an up sell. Jajaja.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2084044]A GFE ... better yet just stays with you a couple of days at a time.[/QUOTE]I thought that mongering existed largely to avoid this.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2084339]I thought that mongering existed largely to avoid this.[/QUOTE]Don't feel bad.

I know guys that insist on never even having a conversation with the women that they fuck.

But unfortunately the topic of girlfriend experience came up. So bear with us.

In my search for the Mansion I ended at hotel Medellin Plaza. But it's this the same place? I am I bit lost.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2084349]Don't feel bad.

I know guys that insist on never even having a conversation with the women that they fuck.

But unfortunately the topic of girlfriend experience came up. So bear with us.[/QUOTE]I love women that pleases me. And I found that the best way to do that is to charm, make them feel safe, and make them cum first! Colombia is a conservative society and lots of chicas still live with their parents. These girls just want to be liberated and are usually starved for romance, amazing sex, and to have someone make them cum. Paisa hombres are selfish lovers and don't ever really please the paisa chicas.

I was fucking this 20 yr old paisa last week and she was estrato 5 that went to university de antioquia. The best university in Medellin and 2nd best in all of Colombia. Not only did I pop her anal cherry after making her cum. I had her lick my ass while she was jerking off my dick. Afterwords, I grabbed her by her hair and made her follow me to the balcony / terrace of my studio and fucked her in front for all to see. Then I said "quien es mi puta" while choking her firmly yet delicately with her own beautiful long hair. She responded with "soy yo, soy yo tu putica". Then I alternated fucking her ass and pussy. Everytime I alternated between her ass and pussy I made her tell me where my dick was and she would respond with mi culo o mi vagina. Then when I was done I came all over her face and mouth with her bending on her knees for all to see on my terrace / balcony. The view from my studio was amazing and nothing more amazing then cumming on a beautiful 20 yr old paisa overseeing the amazing views of Mde.

So anyways, I could never get that experience with a seasoned pro. Only with a innocent everyday paisa I. E, student, pharmacist, accountant etc that wants a Dorian grey experience with a cute extranjero. For those that can have that same experience with a pro. Share me your knowledge and secret? I'm open to learning new things. But all I've found are ones that are clock watchers, hagglers, and dead fish. They are no where near the Sex bombs I find with regular everyday chicas.

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[QUOTE=WalkAround;2084363]In my search for the Mansion I ended at hotel Medellin Plaza. But it's this the same place? I am I bit lost.[/QUOTE]Hotelmedellinplaza is the place.

Good for newbies to the Medellin monger scene as you can get everything you want at one local.

Bad because it can make you lazy so you never go out and experience what the city as whole has to offer.

Question: how much did you spend for her in total? How many times did you have sex with her in total?

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2084367]I love women that pleases me. And I found that the best way to do that is to charm, make them feel safe, and make them cum first! Colombia is a conservative society and lots of chicas still live with their parents. These girls just want to be liberated and are usually starved for romance, amazing sex, and to have someone make them cum. Paisa hombres are selfish lovers and don't ever really please the paisa chicas.

I was fucking this 20 yr old paisa last week and she was estrato 5 that went to university de antioquia. The best university in medellin and 2nd best in all of Colombia. Not only did I pop her anal cherry after making her cum. I had her lick my ass while she was jerking off my dick. Afterwords, I grabbed her by her hair and made her follow me to the balcony / terrace of my studio and fucked her in front for all to see. Then I said "quien es mi puta" while choking her firmly yet delicately with her own beautiful long hair. She responded with "soy yo, soy yo tu putica". Then I alternated fucking her ass and pussy. Everytime I alternated between her ass and pussy I made her tell me where my dick was and she would respond with mi culo o mi vagina. Then when I was done I came all over her face and mouth with her bending on her knees for all to see on my terrace / balcony..[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with all of this. These girls are used to being treated like shit. Give them a great orgasm. Show them you are interested in their needs and desire. And it can take you a long way. Some guys will sneer at this idea. Because they think it's below them because they are paying. But I've found that it works. And I agree that some of the best experiences come from non-pros. I have had several. All they want is some attention and the excitement of doing something (and someone) different. And you don't necessarily have to be "cute. " You can be distinguished (I. E. , older, but not a slob).

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2084367]I love women that pleases me. And I found that the best way to do that is to charm, make them feel safe, and make them cum first! Colombia is a conservative society and lots of chicas still live with their parents. These girls just want to be liberated and are usually starved for romance, amazing sex, and to have someone make them cum. Paisa hombres are selfish lovers and don't ever really please the paisa chicas.
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So anyways, I could never get that experience with a seasoned pro. Only with a innocent everyday paisa I. E, student, pharmacist, accountant etc that wants a Dorian grey experience with a cute extranjero. For those that can have that same experience with a pro. Share me your knowledge and secret? I'm open to learning new things. But all I've found are ones that are clock watchers, hagglers, and dead fish. They are no where near the Sex bombs I find with regular everyday chicas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2084426]Hotelmedellinplaza is the place.

Good for newbies to the Medellin monger scene as you can get everything you want at one local.

Bad because it can make you lazy so you never go out and experience what the city as whole has to offer.[/QUOTE]Do you have to have a room there to monger at the hotel?

[QUOTE=Sho423;2084499]Do you have to have a room there to monger at the hotel?[/QUOTE]Most likely, you won't even be able to get into the building without a room. Some have reported that occasionally the management will allow a non-resident in with a rather high cover charge. If so, it is probably someone who has stayed there before. But, if you can get in, and can talk one of the chicas into fucking you in the bar or by the pool, I guess you would not have to have a room there.

[QUOTE=Sho423;2084499]Do you have to have a room there to monger at the hotel?[/QUOTE]In short Yes.

The only other way you can get in is if the hotel is completely booked (which happens a lot) and then you might have the option of paying 50 mill to hang at the bar. Not really worth it unless there is a party going on.

And then you still aren't going to have access to the pool area to meet women during the day.

The idea is to have ready access to the all the women day and night. And then if you don't find something that makes you want to pull the trigger you can always go out to the strip clubs and casas. As long as a chick has a cedula you can bring her back to the hotel.

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2084367]
So anyways, I could never get that experience with a seasoned pro. Only with a innocent everyday paisa I. E, student, pharmacist, accountant etc that wants a Dorian grey experience with a cute extranjero. For those that can have that same experience with a pro. Share me your knowledge and secret? I'm open to learning new things. But all I've found are ones that are clock watchers, hagglers, and dead fish. They are no where near the Sex bombs I find with regular everyday chicas.[/QUOTE]I guess you've never been to Rio, especially back in the days. LOL!

Are centro hotels girl friendly? Which centro hotel is good (3 star) and also closer to street girls? I think good reason for staying at centro is near by strip clubs. BTW, I'm visiting next week and have zero Spanish.

[QUOTE=Gwl8012;2083732]I would never over pay at the mansion, knowing it is much cheaper just down the street.

But I have never seen a place like Medellin, where no one knows English!

Wolf made it possible for me to enjoy Medellin, because he grew up in Costa Rica and knows Spanish.

Fase dos has all real 10's for 190 k peso's (less than $60.00) 15+ every night.

Many of the casa's have 6-8's for 40 K. (less than $13.00).

Many other strip clubs have 6-9's for 80 k-130 k peso (about $24.00 - $39.00).

You can stay at Hotel Botero for $30.00 a night. Double opp..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2084426]Hotelmedellinplaza is the place.

Good for newbies to the Medellin monger scene as you can get everything you want at one local.

Bad because it can make you lazy so you never go out and experience what the city as whole has to offer.[/QUOTE]MedellinGingo,

You are 100% correct! I am staying at the mansion now, and I don't think a lot of these guys have been anywhere else!

But, there are some very cute girls rolling in here!

[QUOTE=Sho423;2084499]Do you have to have a room there to monger at the hotel?[/QUOTE]Yes, you have to stay there to enter the hotel. They have 2 gates to go through to enter. Occasionally. You can be let in for a fee to the pool or own stairs bar.

I always smile when people discuss estratos as a form of wealth. IMO after living here for 10+ yrs estrato level equals the ability to access credit vs. any form of real wealth indicator.

That said the rest applies. Non-pros with access to credit / decent job are more fun than lower "estratos" because they aren't looking for you to take care of their whole family. Just a nice dinner, some conversation, someone who can discuss world events, and individuals with an opinion of Colombia not formed solely by watching Narcos can really score points.

Current Bogota 'friend' works for a popular Senator and gosh she is kinky as any I've come across. However her rules are, at most lunch together in public but will never invite me to any social events.

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2084367]I love women that pleases me. And I found that the best way to do that is to charm, make them feel safe, and make them cum first! Colombia is a conservative society and lots of chicas still live with their parents. These girls just want to be liberated and are usually starved for romance, amazing sex, and to have someone make them cum. Paisa hombres are selfish lovers and don't ever really please the paisa chicas.

I was fucking this 20 yr old paisa last week and she was estrato 5 that went to university de antioquia. The best university in medellin and 2nd best in all of Colombia. Not only did I pop her anal cherry after making her cum. I had her lick my ass while she was jerking off my dick. Afterwords, I grabbed her by her hair and made her follow me to the balcony / terrace of my studio and fucked her in front for all to see. Then I said "quien es mi puta" while choking her firmly yet delicately with her own beautiful long hair. She responded with "soy yo, soy yo tu putica". Then I alternated fucking her ass and pussy. Everytime I alternated between her ass and pussy I made her tell me where my dick was and she would respond with mi culo o mi vagina. Then when I was done I came all over her face and mouth with her bending on her knees for all to see on my terrace / balcony..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gimmedub;2084704]

I always smile when people discuss estratos as a form of wealth. IMO after living here for 10+ yrs estrato level equals the ability to access credit vs. any form of real wealth indicator.

[/QUOTE]Stratas are based on property values in a given area.

Sometimes apartment buildings that are nicer than the surrounding area are a higher strata. In Cali I lived in a strata 5 barrio but my building was considered a strata 6 as far as services. Electric, Water, gas.

Damn I need to find me one of those. LOL.

[QUOTE=Gimmedub;2084704]I always smile when people discuss estratos as a form of wealth. IMO after living here for 10+ yrs estrato level equals the ability to access credit vs. any form of real wealth indicator.

That said the rest applies. Non-pros with access to credit / decent job are more fun than lower "estratos" because they aren't looking for you to take care of their whole family. Just a nice dinner, some conversation, someone who can discuss world events, and individuals with an opinion of Colombia not formed solely by watching Narcos can really score points.

Current Bogota 'friend' works for a popular Senator and gosh she is kinky as any I've come across. However her rules are, at most lunch together in public but will never invite me to any social events.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Jicks;2084574]Are centro hotels girl friendly? Which centro hotel is good (3 star) and also closer to street girls? ... I'm visiting next week and have zero Spanish.[/QUOTE]No hotel in El Centro is good if you have zero Spanish.

[QUOTE=Wesley383;2084608]MedellinGingo,

You are 100% correct! I am staying at the mansion now, and I don't think a lot of these guys have been anywhere else!

But, there are some very cute girls rolling in here![/QUOTE]If I were to stay at the mansion, wo7 ld I be allowed to bring in a chicka from a strip club back to my room or are guests expected to dine in house only? Anyone know?

Nutibara will work for you. There are lots of no-tell motels all around it in case you get into some rough trade you don't want in your room near your valuables. I don't really thinks it matters as much as some of the guys here would lead you to believe but I hear the Nutibara staff speaking English to gringo customers.

[QUOTE=Jicks;2084574]Are centro hotels girl friendly? Which centro hotel is good (3 star) and also closer to street girls? I think good reason for staying at centro is near by strip clubs. BTW, I'm visiting next week and have zero Spanish.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fubar1;2084745]If I were to stay at the mansion, wo7 ld I be allowed to bring in a chicka from a strip club back to my room or are guests expected to dine in house only? Anyone know?[/QUOTE]I didn't do it, but I know a couple guys that brought in some strange. Chicks got to show their seeédula when they come in (pretty sure they make a copy) one guy was telling me that he had some chick he met online come and she said "I don't have it" and they wouldn't let her in.

A2.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2084801]Nutibara will work for you. There are lots of no-tell motels all around it in case you get into some rough trade you don't want in your room near your valuables. I don't really thinks it matters as much as some of the guys here would lead you to believe but I hear the Nutibara staff speaking English to gringo customers.[/QUOTE]If you are looking to bring in a chica where you are afraid to let her "near" your valuables, maybe that should tell you to rethink your choice of company. Look, we should be careful with ALL of them, but if you can't even take her to your room then maybe you shouldn't be taking her at all.

If you speak no Spanish, stay at the Mansion. If you can't afford the rooms or the chicas there (the reason why guys want to stay in centro and play there is USUALLY due to costs), save your dough until you can do it. If you speak zero Spanish, staying and spending much time in centro can go bad quickly. It can go for anybody for that matter. I ran across a few chicas this trip who were surprised that I'd go to centro by myself like that.

[QUOTE=Fubar1;2084745]If I were to stay at the mansion, wo7 ld I be allowed to bring in a chicka from a strip club back to my room or are guests expected to dine in house only? Anyone know?[/QUOTE]Yes, you can bring in any chica over 18 (MUST have valid ID) who has not been banned from there.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2084457]I totally agree with all of this. These girls are used to being treated like shit. Give them a great orgasm. Show them you are interested in their needs and desire. And it can take you a long way. Some guys will sneer at this idea. Because they think it's below them because they are paying. But I've found that it works. And I agree that some of the best experiences come from non-pros. I have had several. All they want is some attention and the excitement of doing something (and someone) different. And you don't necessarily have to be "cute. " You can be distinguished (I. E. , older, but not a slob).[/QUOTE]To all of you who are delusional enough to believe that SA chicas are non-pros, keep dreaming. Most have taken money for sex (whether you think it's a real date or not-- if you give her a "gift" before she goes home, she's a pro) and will do so again given the chance. Yes, they may be looking for a relationship too, but if that doesn't happen, at least they'll get paid. And the ones that are really non-pros are going out with gringos and sleeping with them because they're looking for a long-term relationship. I know that there's many of you who are either married, in a relationship, or simply want free sex, and therefore are simply taking advantage of these chicas under false pretenses ("Lets go out and if there's chemistry great, if not next. " That's BS, you just want to get laid for free, you have to desire to actually be in a relationship with these women). Those of you that I just described are total scumbags.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2084935]I ran across a few chicas this trip who were surprised that I'd go to centro by myself like that.[/QUOTE]But that is said damn near anywhere you go in the world. Some ladies from Mexico City were telling me how dangerous it is to go to Tijuana. I have been going there for 27 years and ain't never seen shit even about to happen (except some chicks fighting on the street last year.) I took a female coworker that looks like a model down there with me and kept telling her to be careful because it is sooo dangerous. All she could do was fucking laugh. And of course the shit locals talk about downtown Bogota. Never seen anything happen there either. Only thing I ever seen in downtown Medellin was the police beating up a guy (for what I could not make out) a block down from Conejitas. I videoed it and put some of the stills on here I think.

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2084367]I was fucking this 20 yr old paisa last week and she was estrato 5 that went to university de antioquia. The best university in medellin and 2nd best in all of Colombia. Not only did I pop her anal cherry after making her cum. I had her lick my ass while she was jerking off my dick. Afterwords, I grabbed her by her hair and made her follow me to the balcony / terrace of my studio and fucked her in front for all to see. Then I said "quien es mi puta" while choking her firmly yet delicately with her own beautiful long hair. She responded with "soy yo, soy yo tu putica". Then I alternated fucking her ass and pussy. Everytime I alternated between her ass and pussy I made her tell me where my dick was and she would respond with mi culo o mi vagina. Then when I was done I came all over her face and mouth with her bending on her knees for all to see on my terrace / balcony. The view from my studio was amazing and nothing more amazing then cumming on a beautiful 20 yr old paisa overseeing the amazing views of Mde.

So anyways, I could never get that experience with a seasoned pro. Only with a innocent everyday paisa I. E, student, pharmacist, accountant etc that wants a Dorian grey experience with a cute extranjero. For those that can have that same experience with a pro. Share me your knowledge and secret? I'm open to learning new things. But all I've found are ones that are clock watchers, hagglers, and dead fish. They are no where near the Sex bombs I find with regular everyday chicas.[/QUOTE]You can pretty much anything you want from a pro, just have to discuss what you want upfront. There's no secret, you just have to be able to communicate what you want. Some will not be interested, but others will be and some will even be excited to try crazy kinky shit. When you find the right one, it can be fucking amazing. Sometimes, you don't even have to discuss it at all. I had a chica last week that I first fucked at the Mansion on my very first trip in 2007. She was my first chica in Colombia. We got in touch thru FB and I invited her over to my hotel.

This chica comes over and we catch up, talk for almost an hour about everything. No hurry whatsoever, like old friends. Then she excuses herself to the bathroom and changes into sexy lingerie she brought for me and heels. Then jumps me and begins a GFE / PSE session that's one of my top 3 ever. This chica wanted me to fuck her hard and in crazy positions I have never done before. She came at least 3 times then started demanding to be fucked in the ass and hair pulled hard and ass smacked hard (apparently I wasn't doing it hard enough). Then she sarted yelling for me to cum in her mouth. After we were done, we just laid there for like 30 minutes resting and talking, and she starts rubbing her pussy. I was done. I honestly wasn't looking for or expecting more, I don't normally go twice back to back. Seeing her playing with herself and give me sexy looks, I got horny and hard. She just started blowing me and within 5 minutes I was coverd up and deep in her pussy again (no anal this time), but she starts yelling for me to pull out and lets out a squirt that hit me directly in the chest, I fucker some more and then started pulling out every few strokes like in porn, and each time she squirted. Fucking amazing. Each subsequent squirt was weaker and after about 8-9 she was done. I was so turned out that I came in under 5 minutes. I hadn't come twice in such a short period in like 10 years. Then I go to take a shower and realize that she put ALL my towels under herself on the bed before we started fucking, and I have no dry towels except one I used earlier that's hanging on my chair.

Bottom line, don't sell pros short. They love to get fucked like your "non-pros".

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2083963]The best part is, they never want any money from me. I usually give them $100.000 mil pesos ($35 usd) for all day / night as a thank you but after the 2nd or 3rd time they don't accept my gifts. They are just happy to be treated like special ladies doing fun activities with me and eating at expensive places. Well expensive for colombian standards but cheap for USA standards.[/QUOTE]No, they would prefer to get into a long-term relationship, but they'll take the fee in the mean time. They are only interested in you fancy date, dinner, and fun activities, hoping it leads to a relationship. And if you are not interested in one, then you are leading them on and in my book, you are the lowest of the low.

None of these women are gonna bang you because you took them to a fancy restaurant. They are after the bigger prize.

Anyone want to give me a name of a Facebook girl so I can scroll through friends of friends so I can set up for my next trip to Medellin please?

[QUOTE=Queens35;2084947]No, they would prefer to get into a long-term relationship, but they'll take the fee in the mean time. They are only interested in you fancy date, dinner, and fun activities, hoping it leads to a relationship. And if you are not interested in one, then you are leading them on and in my book, you are the lowest of the low.

None of these women are gonna bang you because you took them to a fancy restaurant. They are after the bigger prize.[/QUOTE]So if I understand your logic correctly. If a chica bangs me for free, that automatically means that she wants a long term relationship? So in your logic, there is no possible way that she'd want to bang me just to have an experience with a fun extranjero that's interesting, charming, and treats her with respect.

And if I or she do not want a relationship then I "have" to pay her if she is intimate with me? Because anytime a woman wants to have sex without strings attached. That a guy is obligated to pay her for it. Otherwise, all men that get laid for free and are not looking for a relationship are scumbags because they are leading a chica on?

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[QUOTE=Queens35;2084935]If you are looking to bring in a chica where you are afraid to let her "near" your valuables, maybe that should tell you to rethink your choice of company. Look, we should be careful with ALL of them, but if you can't even take her to your room then maybe you shouldn't be taking her at all.
[/QUOTE]Unfortunately it can be hard to tell who you can trust and who you can't right away. But I've had no problems with everything from $10 Centro street chicks (no glue huffers) to FaseII girls, the only issue is when they see something they like and ask if it's a "regalo" for them. One time it was a stuffed bear the last girl, my regular had given to me, but she was so happy she squealed so I let her keep it. She sent me several pics holding it so I guess she liked it. LOL. Looked for her at VeraCruz this last trip but she was MIA. But she was my ATF and a $10 street chick (most GFE) so you can find good girls high and low.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2084935]the reason why guys want to stay in centro and play there is USUALLY due to costs), save your dough until you can do it. If you speak zero Spanish, staying and spending much time in centro can go bad quickly. It can go for anybody for that matter. I ran across a few chicas this trip who were surprised that I'd go to centro by myself like that.[/QUOTE]I stay in Centro because that's where most the chica's are. Most the Casa's, most strip clubs and food and stores everywhere. Only time I leave is to go to FaseII so I can pay out the nose for drinks. LOL. But I am fluent in Spanish and have lived in worst places in Central America.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2084943] Never seen anything happen there either. Only thing I ever seen in downtown Medellin was the police beating up a guy (for what I could not make out) a block down from Conejitas. I videoed it and put some of the stills on here I think.[/QUOTE]Haha, same here, only thing I have seen (besides the girl who stuck her hand in my pocket) was the cops wailing on somebody at the and edge of Botero Plaza this last trip.

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2085072]So if I understand your logic correctly. If a chica bangs me for free, that automatically means that she wants a long term relationship? So in your logic, there is no possible way that she'd want to bang me just to have an experience with a fun extranjero that's interesting, charming, and treats her with respect.

And if I or she do not want a relationship then I "have" to pay her if she is intimate with me? Because anytime a woman wants to have sex without strings attached. That a guy is obligated to pay her for it. Otherwise, all men that get laid for free and are not looking for a relationship are scumbags because they are leading a chica on?[/QUOTE]LOL. Welcome to ISG, where there is no such thing as a guy meeting a chick and having mutual fun. You will find this same theme in many threads. In general posters with this idea assume you have more money than the local and they are only with you to be better off financially. What nobody has ever explained is what if the girl is better off financially than me. Is she then supposed to leave me with a "gift" or "taxi money"?

[QUOTE=Sho423;2084997]Anyone want to give me a name of a Facebook girl so I can scroll through friends of friends so I can set up for my next trip to Medellin please?[/QUOTE]I'll PM you one but it's the wrong way to go to me. On FB you can't tell how crazy she is or if the photos are old or retouched or if she's a blow queen or just a plain [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] or just lays there in bed or likes to show up 3 hours late.

I would do Casa and strip club runs till you find a few favs, get their WhatsApp contact info and have them over for all night fun at your hotel.

I certainly agree everybody should choose their partners carefully. I'm not a Mansion customer but it's not because I can't afford it. I try to give some information that isn't already here 100+ times (e. G. Stay at the Mansion). Everybody has to decide for themselves.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2084935]If you are looking to bring in a chica where you are afraid to let her "near" your valuables, maybe that should tell you to rethink your choice of company. Look, we should be careful with ALL of them, but if you can't even take her to your room then maybe you shouldn't be taking her at all.

If you speak no Spanish, stay at the Mansion. If you can't afford the rooms or the chicas there (the reason why guys want to stay in centro and play there is USUALLY due to costs), save your dough until you can do it. If you speak zero Spanish, staying and spending much time in centro can go bad quickly. It can go for anybody for that matter. I ran across a few chicas this trip who were surprised that I'd go to centro by myself like that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2085100]LOL. Welcome to ISG, where there is no such thing as a guy meeting a chick and having mutual fun. You will find this same theme in many threads. In general posters with this idea assume you have more money than the local and they are only with you to be better off financially. What nobody has ever explained is what if the girl is better off financially than me. Is she then supposed to leave me with a "gift" or "taxi money"?[/QUOTE]That would be the nuts, for an old guy like me getting paid to make the hott girls holler. Kinda like a porn star, without the audince? LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2085100]LOL. Welcome to ISG, where there is no such thing as a guy meeting a chick and having mutual fun. You will find this same theme in many threads. In general posters with this idea assume you have more money than the local and they are only with you to be better off financially. What nobody has ever explained is what if the girl is better off financially than me. Is she then supposed to leave me with a "gift" or "taxi money"?[/QUOTE]If I go out to a club, buy a few drinks, dance, turn on the charm and end up going home with some girl, that's reasonable and understandable. We were both looking for the same thing in a place where people go to find that specific thing.

If I go on a website, which is specifically for compensated dating, where, except for the fake accounts, every woman is expecting some type of compensation, what should I expect to find? Maybe, if I'm incredibly handsome and charming a rare one will decide to say "fuck it, I'll do him for free", but the rest will stick to their game for either short-term or long-term compensation.

This is why people are skeptical. It's like walking into McDonald's and getting a free filet mignon.

I'm curious how many times he got cussed out, spit on or slapped? I live and work with Colombian women, mostly from upper middle to upper class families. If I had sex with any of them, and then handed them 100 k, the price of dinner and drinks for 2, none of them would ever talk to me again. One of them would probably try to kill me.

In Plaza Botero it's pretty much a daily event seeing some pursesnatcher or shoplifter chased through the plaza and pummeled by the crowd until the police step in and take the guy away.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2084943]But that is said damn near anywhere you go in the world. Some ladies from Mexico City were telling me how dangerous it is to go to Tijuana. I have been going there for 27 years and ain't never seen shit even about to happen (except some chicks fighting on the street last year.) I took a female coworker that looks like a model down there with me and kept telling her to be careful because it is sooo dangerous. All she could do was fucking laugh. And of course the shit locals talk about downtown Bogota. Never seen anything happen there either. Only thing I ever seen in downtown Medellin was the police beating up a guy (for what I could not make out) a block down from Conejitas. I videoed it and put some of the stills on here I think.[/QUOTE]

And the guy is released immediately or in an hour.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2085122]In Plaza Botero it's pretty much a daily event seeing some pursesnatcher or shoplifter chased through the plaza and pummeled by the crowd until the police step in and take the guy away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Queens35;2084947]No, they would prefer to get into a long-term relationship, but they'll take the fee in the mean time. They are only interested in you fancy date, dinner, and fun activities, hoping it leads to a relationship. And if you are not interested in one, then you are leading them on and in my book, you are the lowest of the low.

None of these women are gonna bang you because you took them to a fancy restaurant. They are after the bigger prize.[/QUOTE]I know it may sound strange, but there are girls who just want to have a fun night, with a cool guy, who treats them like a lady, and maybe care about their needs in bed a bit.

Doesn't mean you're a low life cause you're not planning on giving her a ring one day.

We all know there are the pure putas.

They want quick sex, and "dame tu plata", LOL.

There are the girls looking for the "rich" boyfriend too of course.

I just had this beautiful girl over that I met in one of the centro clubs a couple months back.

We went out, nice dinner, music, she danced and I attempted to, LOL.

Anyway, I mentioned helping her out a little , she flat refused.

I even left a couple 50 K notes under her purse, and they're still there after she split.

Hey I'm not some stud, but I know I'm nice and I treat these sweet girls well, and I know I'm not the "lowest of the low" just cause I'm not planning on the grand relationship.

That's just silly IMO.

Peace 😉

Maybe you having nothing in which a normal chica would have interest. Maybe you are lazy and find it easier to pay a pro. Maybe you like to pay for it. The idea of renting pussy. Whatever. But just because you have not experienced what I described does not mean it hasn't happened.

I paid for a one month subscription to SA. Curious. Based on some posts I'd seen. Yes, there are plenty of girls who are prepagos just looking for cash. Yes, there are chicas looking for a relationship. At first, I could not understand why any chica who was NOT a prepago would be on SA. But I soon found that some of them really didn't understand the concept of "seeking arrangement. " They were not looking for sex for money. Nothing is totally free. I have been out with three non-pros from the site. The one I banged four nights in a row just loved sex with an older guy. Her previous boyfriend was a 45 year old Colombian. She is educated and has a job. She is 23. My only "cost" was dinner (two nights) and taxi fare (which she did not ask for - 13 mil). Only the third non-pro turned out to be looking for something more. A novio. We went out to a concert during the flower festival and then to another flower festival event and then to see a movie. It was nice to pass time with someone who was there because she wanted to be. I told her I wasn't seeking a long-term relationship from the start, but maybe she thought she could change my mind. While she was a little disappointed a relationship was not going to happen, she said she was happy passing time with me. Do I know for sure whether any of them had taken money for sex in the past? No. But then again, you assume they have. Which is equally wrong.

That said, dealing with non-pros is not easy. Takes an investment of time. And just because you go out doesn't guarantee you'll get laid. For guys who don't go to MDE often, probably too risky, as time is your biggest concern. For me, it's not a problem, because I travel to MDE at least one a month. It non-pros are a great change of pace from pros. I like a mix of both.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2084941]To all of you who are delusional enough to believe that SA chicas are non-pros, keep dreaming. Most have taken money for sex (whether you think it's a real date or not-- if you give her a "gift" before she goes home, she's a pro) and will do so again given the chance. Yes, they may be looking for a relationship too, but if that doesn't happen, at least they'll get paid. And the ones that are really non-pros are going out with gringos and sleeping with them because they're looking for a long-term relationship. I know that there's many of you who are either married, in a relationship, or simply want free sex, and therefore are simply taking advantage of these chicas under false pretenses ("Lets go out and if there's chemistry great, if not next. " That's BS, you just want to get laid for free, you have to desire to actually be in a relationship with these women). Those of you that I just described are total scumbags.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2085072]So if I understand your logic correctly. If a chica bangs me for free, that automatically means that she wants a long term relationship? So in your logic, there is no possible way that she'd want to bang me just to have an experience with a fun extranjero that's interesting, charming, and treats her with respect.

And if I or she do not want a relationship then I "have" to pay her if she is intimate with me? Because anytime a woman wants to have sex without strings attached. That a guy is obligated to pay her for it. Otherwise, all men that get laid for free and are not looking for a relationship are scumbags because they are leading a chica on?

Not trying to make you feel stupid. Just want to verify your logic. I'm sure other members will make you feel stupid responding to your logic lol[/QUOTE]No strings attached? Yeah, if you picked her up at the disco or mall. But you contacted her through a sugar daddy website. That in itself implies that there are strings attached. Think about it, it'll come to you. BTW- it's great that you have such a high opinion of yourself "cute, fun, charming extranjero" LOL.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2085092]Unfortunately it can be hard to tell who you can trust and who you can't right away. But I've had no problems with everything from $10 Centro street chicks (no glue huffers) to FaseII girls, the only issue is when they see something they like and ask if it's a "regalo" for them. One time it was a stuffed bear the last girl, my regular had given to me, but she was so happy she squealed so I let her keep it. She sent me several pics holding it so I guess she liked it. LOL. Looked for her at VeraCruz this last trip but she was MIA. But she was my ATF and a $10 street chick (most GFE) so you can find good girls high and low.[/QUOTE]Good point. The 2 street chicas I did this trip seemed cool. The one that I did the day we hung was an old pro, not sure I'd want her in my room. LOL. But the other one was a newbie, 19, real sweet.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2085095]I stay in Centro because that's where most the chica's are. Most the Casa's, most strip clubs and food and stores everywhere. Only time I leave is to go to FaseII so I can pay out the nose for drinks. LOL. But I am fluent in Spanish and have lived in worst places in Central America.[/QUOTE]Yep, that's why I said "usually". Many new guys just want to spend as little as possible and they know about 4 words of spanish and want to hang in centro. No good. Not sure I'd be hanging out in centro if I didn't speak Spanish.

[QUOTE=Sho423;2084997]Anyone want to give me a name of a Facebook girl so I can scroll through friends of friends so I can set up for my next trip to Medellin please?[/QUOTE]Befriend "La Vanee Restrepo". She doesn't really go out with guys unless she likes them she told me (I did her earlier this year, she was ok not great, no GFE, and is a little too thin for me, except for a big ass and big fake tits) but she "helps" other chicas find clients. She has at least 100 chicas that she can hook you up with. She even has a Whatsapp group where she sends daily new pics of chicas she "manages". Many are smoking hot, and mostly spinner types and look 18-24.

MAKE SURE TO ASK THEM TO BRING THEIR ID AND CHECK IT CAREFULLY. ANYTHING SEEMS OFF, NEXT!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2085117]If I go out to a club, buy a few drinks, dance, turn on the charm and end up going home with some girl, that's reasonable and understandable. We were both looking for the same thing in a place where people go to find that specific thing.

If I go on a website, which is specifically for compensated dating, where, except for the fake accounts, every woman is expecting some type of compensation, what should I expect to find? Maybe, if I'm incredibly handsome and charming a rare one will decide to say "fuck it, I'll do him for free", but the rest will stick to their game for either short-term or long-term compensation.

This is why people are skeptical. It's like walking into McDonald's and getting a free filet mignon.

I'm curious how many times he got cussed out, spit on or slapped? I live and work with Colombian women, mostly from upper middle to upper class families. If I had sex with any of them, and then handed them 100 k, the price of dinner and drinks for 2, none of them would ever talk to me again. One of them would probably try to kill me.[/QUOTE]Exactly my point! Gracias.

Any of you lads have any information on the swing clubs in Mde? Are they like the ones described in the reports in Bogota? Any shared information would be great I. E, name, location, contact, atmosphere, how things work etc. Thanks.

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2085258]Any of you lads have any information on the swing clubs in Mde? Are they like the ones described in the reports in Bogota? Any shared information would be great I. E, name, location, contact, atmosphere, how things work etc. Thanks.[/QUOTE]There are a few on "the list".

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2085258]Any of you lads have any information on the swing clubs in Mde? Are they like the ones described in the reports in Bogota? Any shared information would be great I. E, name, location, contact, atmosphere, how things work etc. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Don't know how up to date this info is but they list 2 swingers clubs on this site:

[URL]http://colombia.adultsearch.com/medellin/swingers-club[/URL]

[QUOTE=Balboa;2085190]I
Doesn't mean you're a low life cause you're not planning on giving her a ring one day.

We all know there are the pure putas.

They want quick sex, and "dame tu plata", LOL.

There are the girls looking for the "rich" boyfriend too of course.
[/QUOTE]Boyfriends you mean, hahaha.

Yes, there are perfectly non-pro chicas who want a foreign boyfriend. They will usually complain that Colombian men treat them badly. They're not expecting any financial support either. I'm not sure about the whole balcony anal sex thing someone else posted but picking up normal Colombian women is not hard if you put in a little effort. I mostly don't see the point unless you live there. Guaranteed she'll be unfaithful within the first three months but expect you to be super faithful and double check your shit everytime you visit for any hint of another woman.

This one chica used to make me laugh. She'd walk right up to me at the airport grab my phone, unlock it because at the time I only had a pattern security lock, and she'd go through all my fucking whatsapp and emails making note of ANY females. Once she was satisfied I'd get a big hug. I'll never forget her. Complete nut. She did teach me basic Spanish though because she only knew two words of English. But these days they only need to speak cock and I'm happy.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2085273]Don't know how up to date this info is but they list 2 swingers clubs on this site:

[URL]http://colombia.adultsearch.com/medellin/swingers-club[/URL][/QUOTE]Are you able to elaborate? Are they similar to the reports in Bogota?

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2085299]This one chica used to make me laugh. She'd walk right up to me at the airport grab my phone, unlock it because at the time I only had a pattern security lock, and she'd go through all my fucking whatsapp and emails making note of ANY females[/QUOTE]And you allowed this? I do not need a lock on my phone because women know not to touch my shit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2085325]And you allowed this? I do not need a lock on my phone because women know not to touch my shit.[/QUOTE]You wouldn't have gotten along with this chica. A sense of humor is required.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2085379]You wouldn't have gotten along with this chica. A sense of humor is required.[/QUOTE]Did you likewise take her handbag and go through it while you both were giggling like school girls? I am a grown man; I don't play those types of games. A woman is going to respect me and respect my belongings. And I offer her the same in return. Shit starts off as funny and cute and eventually makes its way to sad. (Same as the chick you thought was so funny that she would play with her phone while you were fucking her. Total disrespect if you ask me. She keeps pushing eventually deciding she can make you send rent money to her before she even meets up with you. Why not? You let her get away with other shit.)

You got to nip that shit in the bud when it is starting to happen. But of course many guys will let it go unchecked because they are afraid of losing out on the pussy. The reason women are able to run over men the way they do is because men let them. It did not happen overnight. It snowballed.

I picked up a chick in the Dominican Republic from her house. I had my tablet connected to the radio. She decided she wanted to pick my tablet up. I told her once, do not touch my things while taking it out of her hands. Maybe she thought I was joking because she picked it up again. I pulled the car over and put her out and deleted her from my phone. I can guarantee that she will not be trying that bullshit with the next guy. You're welcomed next guy.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2085299]
This one chica used to make me laugh. She'd walk right up to me at the airport grab my phone, unlock it because at the time I only had a pattern security lock, and she'd go through all my fucking whatsapp and emails making note of ANY females. Once she was satisfied I'd get a big hug. I'll never forget her. Complete nut. She did teach me basic Spanish though because she only knew two words of English. But these days they only need to speak cock and I'm happy.[/QUOTE]Was her name Ann from S. La?? No wait, you're talking about a Colombiana. Perfect description of my ex-fiance. One of the reasons I started mongering! Ha.

El Mechanico.

Yes, correct.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2085171]And the guy is released immediately or in an hour.[/QUOTE]

I'm with you. I find Centro all around more convenient. Sure, I break it up with visits to Lleras and Poblado but usually if I'm bringing a girl out not looking for one. It's a quick ride over to Laureles for nicer restaurants and clubs. In the daytime it's not unusual to see foreign tourists around Junin shopping and of course in Plaza Botero and the museum. I don't see so many out at night of course. I guess it boils down to whether you go to Medellin to experience the country or to experience the Mansion. If it's about English vs. Spanish you can order English uber and stay at any of the bigger hotels, they all have English speaking reception staff. You can get robbed in any language LOL!

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2085095]I stay in Centro because that's where most the chica's are. Most the Casa's, most strip clubs and food and stores everywhere. Only time I leave is to go to FaseII so I can pay out the nose for drinks. LOL. But I am fluent in Spanish and have lived in worst places in Central America.[/QUOTE]

Saturday, September 2, 2017.

Medellin.

My wingman and I arrived in Medellin from Bogota via VivaColombia, a Colombian national airline (flight was $29, but ended up being $54 after adding baggage and selecting seat. A lot like Spirit), at about 5:30 pm. I had made arrangements with Fernando for a pickup. The Medellin airport (MDE) is pretty small and simple, so, luggage was ready almost immediately. Since I was traveling domestically from Bogota, no Customs or Immigration crap. Sure as shit, Fernando had one of his workers waiting with a sign with my name on it. I was a little confused because the guy was with some tour company and tried to get me to sign some contract for "security" and "the car. " I politely refused that shit. Additionally, I hadn't asked about the price in advance and got stuck with an 80 mil pesos bill (ouch) for the ride. That was a ripoff, but, if you're going to be ripped off, its always on the taxi ride in, right?

Anyway, got to the apartment. One of Barry's Poblado Rentals ([URL]www.pobladorentals.com[/URL]) in the heart of Parque Lleras. On Carrera 38 # 8 - 69.the building next to Sky Zone Bar with the word Tattoo in neon lighting on the building. Third floor, no elevator, no vehicle access on the street. No worries, only about a half a block walk. Location is 1 block from Hooters. Got to the apartment and the lady was there to explain everything about the apartment—TV / Cable, Washing Machine, Hot Water, locks, etc. (except the Hot tub. More on that later). Settled in and unpacked—clothes, red light, baby oil, lube, condoms, Nutella, body wash puff thingies for the girls, extra phone, list of places to go, personalized list of chicas with photos, Viagra and Cialis. Ready to go!

It was now time to meet up with the 4 other guys in our crew. 2 of them were occupied with girls, the other 2 were dragging ass, so wingman and I took off. Had a van meeting us a 7 pm (because we were supposed to have 6 people), first stop Loutron. Closes at 8 pm, right? Driver said no, it closed at 11 pm. So, we took our time, stopped at a Frisby's chicken halfway up the mountain (that's always a 20 minute commitment). By the time we got to Loutron, it was 8 pm and. They were closing! Fuck. What a waste of time! Loutron has eluded me every single time I have been to Medellin! Three separate times and now this. The driver suggested La Isla Club, which was on my "to do" list, so off we went. Of course, we were super early and none of the girls were out. The bouncers told us to come back at 10/10:30 pm. Not a good start for my newbie wingman, Medellin. He was getting discouraged, so I suggested we go back to Lleras, scoop up the other guys, then head back out later. We did, this time with 4 guys (me, wingman, frat brother, and dipshit). Dipshit was aptly named due to his ongoing propensity of holding everyone else up because he wasn't sure what he wanted to do and because he thought he was too good to pay for pussy and he just wanted to pull girls with his charm and good looks since he speaks Spanish. Possible yes, likely on a short, first trip, no. Hence his name—dipshit.

Anyway, we get to La Isla club and it was slow, but building. At peak, they probably ended up with about 25-30 girls. We all saw girls we liked, but I suggested they hold out to see the selection at Fase II, which also was less expensive. After waiting for our 5th guy, whom I'll call Clueless (because he 'lost' his phone and the last time he saw it was when he handed it to "his girl" the night before he passed out but wouldn't believe she stole it because she "said she didn't know where it was" we took off in the van to Fase II. By the way, van was 50 mil / hour. New clock started at 10 pm. After arriving at Fase II, smiles were in abundance. These were a bunch of city boys used to the strip club scene and liked the vibe at Fase II. It wasn't as good of an experience as I remembered the last time I was there (back in 2009), but it was a good time. We were joined by our 6th, whom I'll refer to as Old School (since he was the oldest at 59 years old). This night, I picked one (the only one whose name I can't remember) who sucked as far as personality. She had a great body, but a pretty hardened look that I chose to ignore (at my peril). She was very mechanical and gave no indication of being interested in faking like she was having a good time. She got me off after some very specific direction. She gave a decent BBBJ (with tip of course), but then wasted a lot of time between the BJ and putting the condom on to fuck, so my dick started going down with all the formality of it all. Then she didn't want to suck it some more. Tried that shitty handjob crap, with no lube. She was getting upset with me and I was getting upset with her. Finally, she pulled out some liquid caffeine shit and started rubbing that on my dick and nuts. I expected it to work fast, but I think, in reality, I just mellowed the hell out and focused on the stimulation. As it got semi-hard, she sucked the head a little bit to bring it to full erection, then put the condom on quickly and got on top. I finished in that position and neither of us said anything to each other as we cleaned up and got dressed. It was one of the most awkward fucks I ever had. But, to her credit, she got the job done.

Frat and wingman both pulled one shortly after I did, so I didn't catch their names either. I do remember that wingman's girl was black and really just not attractive by most standards. He said he felt sorry for her because he figured no one was going to pick her and thought she would perform well, which he later said she did. No one else pulled any girls. Dipshit was saying how great the girls looked, but he didn't want to pay. *****, you're in a strip club in Medellin! That's what you do. Anyway, on the way out, a few of us got some late night eats from the old lady with one criminal (crooked) tooth who says "mi amor" or "mis amores" in every sentence. I got an amazing grilled chicken and fries with a water for like 25-30 k pesos. By all accounts Fase II was a success. Would definitely repeat due to the volume and quality of the girls, despite my one bad apple. Total damage for 5 hours with this one van taxi was 200 mil pesos. Not terribly bad divided by 6 guys. But still a ripoff in my opinion. Lesson learned, I think if I am with a big group, we will just take two normal taxis and dismiss / call them back as needed rather than pay for them to wait around. Very much a waste of money. Back to Lleras at about 3:00 am.

La Isla (The Girls Club): Kilometer 5 via Las Palmas K28 and Las Palmas C16/20 girls / 10 k cover / 180 k /30 min, 250 k / HR.

Fase II: Carrera 44 # 30 – 27/30-40 girls / 10 k cover / 180 k /40 min, 100 k exit fee.

OH MY GOD!! Lleras at 3 am is the shit!! All the streets were crawling with women. Wingman and I were approached by two women within 5 feet of leaving the van. I jumped at the one with the nicer ass, leaving big girl for my wingman (I'm such a nice guy). The girl who I picked was named Andrea. She had sort of a chiseled face with about a 7. 5 in looks. Her ass was a perfect 10 though! That's all I saw. I asked her the price and she said 250. I said that is too much, nevermind. And she quickly dropped to 150 mil. I agreed and we were off to cross the street to the apartment. I thought wingman would keep shopping but, no, he took fat girl. So, we get to the spot and Andrea immediately commented on the bottles of Johnnie Walker, Patron, Hennessy, and Champagne we had on deck. I told her she needed a couple of tequila shots to get ready for what I was going to do to her. She sipped one 3 oz shot, then I made her take another one to the head. I downed two Hennessy shots and we were good. She went in and showered while I set the mood in the room. She came to the room in a towel and then dropped it to reveal an incredible ass. The rest of her was nice too. Good tits, but, nothing compared to that ass. It was enhanced, likely with tissue, not implants because it felt normal. She went to work on the BBBJ and did so with enthusiasm. I made her get in all fours so I could play with her ass. I felt she was still trying too hard and wanted her to relax, so, I made her lay down while I went down on her with all the enthusiasm I could muster. I got her pussy really wet with my saliva and her own juices and tortured her clit with my tongue as I held down her hands. I brought her just to orgasm, then (having secretly slipped on a condom) quickly slid into her. She felt for the condom and after about 5 strokes, she shuttered and came immediately. I let her complete her orgasm and gave her a couple of minutes to recover. I then had her get on top so I could grab two handfuls of that ass as she bounced up and down on my dick. I made her get in doggy and pounded that incredible ass to lazy doggy which is when I came. She was good about grinding back on me and throwing her ass back. If it wasn't for the fact that she STOLE MY FUCKING SOFT SOAP when she left, I would see her again. I'd probably see her anyway, it was just soap. But she must think I'm mad because I hit her up on WhatsApp and she responded, but then I think she blocked me. Oh well. Wingman apparently kicked fat girl to the curb after she took off her clothes and he saw all of her fat rolls. He said she tried to knock on my door for her amiga, but he stopped her. That's what a wingman is for! I have no doubt she would have tried to leave early if she knew her girl was leaving. Anyway, great ending to the first night in Medellin for me!

Sunday, September 3, 2017.

The next morning, the crew (all 6 of us) had breakfast at The Greek Connection of LOS Angeles Restaurant and Taverna ([URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPp1zit8P4Y[/URL] ; [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaura...epartment.html[/URL]) on Carrera 38. I was the last to join the group, but I was happy to see they were deeply engaged with two groups of American expats who were sharing their experiences in everything from real estate to food to economics to social interactions in Medellin. Finally, they were getting the on-the-ground intel on Medellin that I had been trying to relay to them for the last year or so. Breakfast was amazing at this restaurant! I would even say it was underpriced. I had eggs, bacon, hash browns and pancakes with orange juice and coffee for like 20 mil pesos (a little over $6). They may only do breakfast on the weekends as I tried during the week and they were closed two separate days. There was also a pretty sexy Venezuelan girl working there. Average face, slammin' body, and she spoke decent, humble English. She was a little insecure about her English, which I love in a woman. She is pictured in the second link above with the white and pink shirt.

From there, we hit the road early! Walked down toward the Exito near the Poblado Metro Station so some guys could change money, then jumped on the Metro to head to Acevedo Station and the Metro Cable. One way on the metro was 2300 pesos (about 78 cents) no matter your destination. I enjoyed watching the guys take in the city and the beautiful Paisas on the metro. Almost like a proud dad. LOL. Anyway, long story short, took the MetroCable all the way to Parque Arvi and these dipshits didn't want to get off and at least see what was outside of the station in the immediate vicinity of the park. I had heard there was some great food to be had there, but, oh well. As we headed back down the mountain and got back on the main metro, I suggested we stop off to do a casa run. After some convincing (really dudes? We got off at Prado Station (I think) and popped over to New Life. This was a great first casa for this group—a nice selection of 10-15 girls, mostly 8's, with a couple of 10's in my opinion. There were girls for every taste: a couple of darker skinned girls, tall girls, short girls, slim girls, thick / curvy girls, no FAT girls, most without tats, a couple with tats. All pretty darn hot. So as far as pricing, 40 k /15 min, 50 k /30 min, 65 k /45 min, 80 k /1 HR, up to 200 k /3 hrs. Most of the guys who made a selection 4/6, including me, went for the 30 min option. I chose Mariana, who had just the Paisa look I was looking for (apologies for the photo. But it was taken AFTER doing the deed so she looks a little disheveled). She was the last in the line-up and I didn't even need to think about who to choose. Now, initially, I told her I just wanted a BBBJ because I had to save my energy for an amiga. But, she got soooo damn sexy with that nearly 15 min BJ, that I HAD to fuck her. Her ass, those tits, and her amazing eye contact all but begged me to do it. So, I did, and it was a great experience. None of that trying to take control or being resistant crap that some casa girls try—she was down for all the positions and seemed to genuinely enjoy it. Anyway, I got a nut and so did she. End of story at New Life. Highly recommended!

New Life Sala de Masajes: Calle 56 # 43 – 39,2nd floor / 15 girls / Mon-Sat 9 am-8 pm Sun 10 a-6 pm.

Mariana (see photo).

I was hoping to visit at least one other casa, but these guys did not get the concept of fucking multiple girls in a short period of time. Especially since three of them were leaving the next day. No worries. I'm going to get mine! We got back to Poblado around 4 pm and grabbed some Frisby's chicken from Exito before heading back to Lleras. I generally spend as little as possible on food while on my trips and only indulge 2 or 3 times on big meals. Once back in the crib, I straightened up a bit, in preparation for my toda la noche with Iaraldine Gomez from FaceBook. I went to test out the hot tub, and oh guess what. No hot water! Called management and they had me troubleshoot a few things, none of which worked. After some Colombian runaround, I was told no one could be by to fix it until tomorrow (Monday). See'est la vie! No pampering for Iaraldine.

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Hmmm, what can I say about Iaraldine? Great fuck. Fucking flakey. Fucking fumes! Allow me to elaborate.

So, Iaraldine was at the top of my list do to her youthful look and flaca, but curvy body. I contacted her before I got to Medellin to confirm she worked Sundays and nights. She agreed to both, so, when I hit her up on Sunday morning, I requested a toda la noche. She was open and agreed to meet me at 8:00 pm. Despite having to catch a ride to a bus station, then a bus, then a taxi, she was on time! She says she lives out in San Antonio, which I guess is near the airport. Toda la noche price was 350. As soon as I reached in for a kiss. Shit got weird.

I could immediately smell the fumes of what could only be ascribed to a glue huffer. For the uninitiated, these are the folks you see late nights in El Centro breathing in glue fumes from plastic bags. As I began to talk to her, I knew she was going to be a challenge, though, I was up for it, as my numbers so far for the trip were a little low. She had a very low, depressed rate of speech and just seemed very disinterested in anything. Her body was certainly as advertised. I did need to verify her cedula, which verified that she was legal. 20 years old I think. More weirdness up next.

So, we get in the apartment and she immediately asks for the bathroom. Comes out, pupils dilated. Then she says, she thinks she should go. WTF? She had literally been in my apartment for 5 minutes! I am the most welcoming, calm dude a girl could want on one of these dates and yet, she was wanting to leave. So, sensing her potential still, I tried to alleviate her concerns. She said she was very far from home and she did not know this area. I told her to calm down and we could go get something to eat and a drink, then if she wanted to leave, she could. We did so, she calmed down and opened up a bit more, then we went back to the apartment. I realized that she has a great smile, which I complimented her on. She smiled a little more, which was good. She asked me if I had some Tussi, which is apparently a new twist on cocaine, its pink. I told her I didn't and we weren't going to have any tonight and she needed to stop with the glue while she was with me. She agreed. After I told her I could smell it on her breath. She had such a youthful demeanor, I almost felt bad being with her. She even asked me if it was okay to take a shit in the bathroom! I was like, yeah, please do, relax (I made her leave her purse and shit out of the bathroom so I knew she wasn't huffing). She took a shower afterwards, of course. Then came to bed naked.

All I can say is, her BBBJ skills were among the top I've ever experienced. She used the friction of her tongue against my head to another level. She told me she loved to do it and to just tell her when to stop. I had her go at it for a good 30 minutes before I stopped her. Then the real show started! I love that look of apprehension when I put a girl on her back and she knows I'm going to slide into her. She spread her legs open as wide as she could and I put a little lube on the outside (and inside) of the condom. She moaned and shivered as I entered and looked at me with a look that begged for mercy. I was gentle. At first. Her pussy is SOOOO tight. As I worked my way in, I got into a rhythm, which she began to match with her hip gyrations. I was in heaven. After awhile, she got on top, I guess factoring she would have more control over how much she would take. In her sexy little way, she began to ride, the head and about 2 inches of the dick and was showing amazing sensitivity as she did so. Eventually, I pulled her down so I could be deeper and she came pretty quickly after that. I didn't. So, I made her give me head until I came.

I fucked her again in the middle of the night in the spooning position, which she didn't resist at all. Then fucked her again in the morning. Apparently, as you can see in the photos, she takes it in the ass! I confirmed by asking her. I was turned off from attempting that based on her taking a shit right before sex. Could've been a nasty situation. She was not in a rush to leave the next morning, and slept until about 9 am. I had to sort of rush her out, because me and the fellas were going on a casa run. Total damage: 350 mil pesos. Despite the glue issues, and asking for cocaine, I liked her. She was very respectful, very trusting, and good at what she was hired to do. She never told me 'no' only asked me to be careful and occasionally repositioning. I gave her that because of her small, slim stature. Would I repeat? Oddly. Yeah, I think so. I think she's lost, but not bad, if that makes sense. Its a gamble, I know, but with proper security all that is minimalized (to an extent). The fact that she was on time, is an accomplishment in and of itself. Enjoy the pics and video (yes, I had a red light on in the room. Because I'm a damn freak)!

Monday, September 4, 2017.

Sad to say, most of today was a loss. I had to go to the Migracion Colombia (immigration) office to register my visa and apply for my cedula. Before I left the apartment, I followed up to make sure the hot tub water was going to be fixed. Before going to the immigration office, I had to find a place to do a blood sampling to determine my blood type (even though I know it already). After that was done, I go to the immigration office and the rent a cop dude says that I needed to have an appointment because walk in hours are only between 8-9 am. He said I needed to go on the website to request an appointment and show him the confirmation number. So, I got on my phone and tried to do so, but I could not get my photo of my passport to upload as the form only accepted PDF uploads. Grrrr! Not to be deterred, I came up with another plan. I told him I was flying out to my country tomorrow and had to get my visa registered before I left. It almost worked. He went inside to ask. Came back and said I needed to show him proof of my flight. Damn, that's pretty smart. Not to fear, I 'merica-the my way past that by modifying the dates of the confirmation email on my return flight and voila! I was allowed to enter. Little did I know what I was getting myself into. Once I got in and presented my passport, I was told to wait for my name to be called. After about 15-20 minutes, I began to notice that no one was doing anything. Nothing. This is Colombia though, so I didn't think much of it. Then, one of the guys working there made a brief announcement that I only vaguely understood. After about an hour, I was getting a little antsy as no one was being called up anymore and the workers, from what I can tell, were just standing around joking and playing on their cell phones. Finally, I commented to a nearby English speaker, who was actually Cuban, who told me that the announcement was that the systems were down nationwide and they couldn't do anything until they were back up. If I got into the office at 11 am, I wasn't seen until about 3 pm. Talk about a WASTE of a day! I could've fucked at least 2 girls in that time. Oh well, at least it's done! Cedula should be ready soon.

Migracion Colombia: Calle 19 # 80 A – 40 Barrio Belen La Nubia.

While I was at Immigration, a few of the guys went to one of the malls and said they saw some nice eye candy. But nobody pulled anything! I was very disappointed in them!! Two of the guys were catching the midnight-ish JetBlue flight out of Medellin, one departed earlier in the day, which left me with two guys (frat and dipshit) besides myself. By the way, the hot tub hot water couldn't be fixed until early the next morning now. Grrrr! The three of us decided to give Loutron a try. This was at about 10:00 pm and the place was closing at 11:00 pm. Picked up a taxi in Parque Lleras after asking multiple drivers, specifically, if they knew where Loutron was (because it is difficult to find if unfamiliar). If a driver hesitated or seemed like he was going to BS his way into finding it, I passed. Finally, a taxi driver said he knew where it was. Well, he lied. To his credit, he got us 75 percent of the way there, then I plugged the address into GoogleMaps and got us 90 percent of the way there. A wrong turn into a private, guarded lot and asking for the place directed us to the first left down the hill. When the taxi arrived at Loutron, we asked the bouncers if there were girls. After confirming there were, we got out. When we entered, we were told there were only 3 girls available—all the rest were busy! Well, shit, we're here. Presenta las chicas! They ended up presenting 5 girls, all pretty nice looking. However, the price point of 280 k / hour was more than any of us was willing to pay, given the alternatives. Perhaps a wider selection would have yielded a different choice. We were told 3 pm is the best time to go. My intent was to try 3 pm on Tuesday or Wednesday.

Loutron Spa: Calle 16 a Sur # 9 e – 500/10-15 girls / 275 k per hour Mon-Thurs 12 noon-11 pm Fri-Sat 12 noon-8 pm.

So, we ended up popping over to La Isla Club which wasn't that far away. We ordered a media bottle of Jack Daniels and Coca Cola for the 3 of us. Just enough to keep the waiter from bothering us. We were already aware of the quality of this place, but there appeared to be fewer girls in the lineup than on Saturday night. I noticed an angel among demons. Her name was Yuli. And I was in love! Another typical paisa. Fair skin, jet black hair, dark eyes, and a body to kill for—hers was on the curvy side versus the slim side. Read that as big tits. Full see cups and two nice chunks for an ass, with a flat stomach and no fat on her sides or back. I called her over to talk to her, get to know her. I let her order a drink (and she ordered the cheapest thing). I let her run down the prices and I debated whether to bite the bullet, but decided that this morsel would best be enjoyed in a non-rushed environment. So, I got her number to coordinate things for the next night. No one else pulled the trigger on campus either, not sure if anyone got numbers. No matter, I knew I was going to get this girl tomorrow and I wasn't going to pay the 600 mil she was asking for!

I had an appointment with Andrea Paniagua for a toda la noche that night.

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Andrea Paniagua.

I don't have much to say about this girl. She was average to me. I think she had an average face, she was 32 or 34 years old, I don't remember. She had an average body, not bad, just not amazing. I guess there were two things about her that got my attention. Her eyes / lips combination and the the fact that she was very persistent in asking me to choose her and caught me during a time when I felt I was behind in where I wanted to be and didn't feel like going out. So, here goes.

I contacted Andrea before I arrived in Medellin, so we had established everything beforehand. I started with 300 mil, she asked for 400 mil, we met in the middle at 350 mil. She was supposed to meet me in front of Hooters at 11:00 pm, ended up not meeting up until 12:20 am. Needless to say, I was a bit upset by that point, but ready to fuck.

She had a very pleasant, happy attitude and personality. Very open and friendly. I think it was raining when she arrived. Her face was very well made up and she had obviously made an effort into her appearance. I said she had an average face, but I guess she was attractive for a 30 something in Medellin. Her midsection was a bit boxy, but she had a nice bubble butt worth examining. Once we got in the apartment, we started undressing immediately to get out of the wet clothes. She really gives off the past girlfriend open to sex vibe. Not overly sexual, but not avoiding the inevitable either.

OH MY GOD!! This girl has the longest tongue I've ever seen! That tongue is worth the price of admission. Her BBBJ skills were incredible and you could feel her tongue doing its thing. She made a good effort at Deep Throating which was entertaining, but her need to recover from the gagging kinda killed the vibe. She was an average fuck, with average tits and an average ass, but she was cute and did a great blowjob. I fucked her enough to cum, but after that, I think we were both too tired by this point at night. I tried to get another one in the middle of the night, but she was resistant, which put me out of the mood. We fucked a little bit in the morning and I made her finish me off with a 15 min BBBJ and that snake tongue of hers! I might repeat just for the BJ, but definitely not an all nighter. I'd probably put her at a 6. 5-7. 0/10 only because she resisted the mid-night fuck. If not, she might be a 7. 5-8. 0. I'd say if you're an older guy. 50+, she's probably a good match, but if you like to fuck a lot, she was not the one for that, but YMMV.

One note that I left out of the report on her, was that shortly after her arrival, we went to dinner at Basilica Restaurant. Food was pretty good. I had lasagna, I don't remember what she had.

Basilica Restaurant: Cra. 38 #8 a-42.

Tuesday, September 5, 2017.

So, today, after Andrea left, I met up with frat and dipshit. I cooked my breakfast in the apartment, they went to a little café nearby, the'andre Restaurant and Café. Food looked pretty nice, but they said the service took a very long time for everything. Off we went for a casa run. This was at about 12:30 pm—these guys were really late starters. I had an appointment at 2 pm in my apartment, so, it was on them if they wanted to limit how much I can show them. While I was out, management had repaired the hot water issue with the hot tub. Me and the fellas took the metro to Aiffe first. They had a decent lineup of about 6-7 girls. All in the 7-8 range, but we all felt like there were probably better options out there. If I was alone, I probably would have gotten a BJ, maybe even the 2 girl option. This is also where we met the smoothe and ever so debonnaire REALKEWL (shout out). He gave us his views on Medellin and mongering in the area and was just—real cool about the life in the city of eternal spring. Definitely reinforced my desire to relocate here. He suggested Sexys Fantasias, as it was relatively nearby. So, we were off.

Aiffe Sala de Masajes: Calle 57 # 43 – 27/8 girls / 37 k /30 min, 49 k /50 min, 2 girls for 67 k /30 min / Mon-Thurs 10 am-8 pm Fri-Sat 10 am-9 pm Sun 11 am-5 pm.

These two guys I was with were not prepared to monger. They had no cellular plan that would work in country, other than wi-fi. To me, I need constant data access to be able to take care of business. I have Verizon as my carrier and am on their unlimited everything plan. I'm signed up for their International Travel Pass, which, for $10/ day gives you the same unlimited access as you have in the states. I have never had any service issues in Bogota, Medellin, Panama City, Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Santo Domingo, Puerto Plata, or Sosua. Otherwise, you really need to know how the address system works and have a printout of the places you plan to go. I tried to explain the addresses, but I don't think they were paying attention.

Anyway, we ended up at Sexys Fantasias. It was a disappointment, unfortunately. Actually, out of the 5 girls, 2 were doable. Easily. Almost 8's I'the say. They all just seemed so miserable and did not have good attitudes. Then, once we decided to leave, the mamasan told us we needed to pay for a beer or for the presentation (4000 pesos). Okay, fine. But then, one of the better looking chicas storms out of the back with an attitude and repeats the same thing. We were all looking at each other like, WTF? So, we got some brews and split that joint.

Sexys Fantasias 2: Carrera 47 # 53 – 42 1st floor / 5 girls / 32 k /30 min, 45 k /45 min, 60 k /1 HR, 100 k+TLN / Mon-Sat 10 am-7:30 pm Sun 11 am-5 pm.

I walked the guys over to New Life, where I left them so I could meet my 3 pm appointment. Dahiana Franco.

I was supposed to meet Dahiana at Hooters, so I tried to get a table there, but, given that it was the Colombia-Brazil Soccer game (ended up tied 1-1), they were packed. The only thing available was group tables, so, I joined up with another guy, who spoke English (ended up being a JetBlue employee based out of FLL who splits his time in Medellin). Cool dude to talk to and gave some great insight into the non-pro scene and the importance of the girls seeing you as a regular guy and not just a foreigner / ATM machine. He really reiterated the need to break into social circles. He called over another guy who he said has "all the bitches" who is some sort of doctor back in South Florida. Name starts with the, but I don't want to out his actual name on here, though I expect he may be a member.

There were at least three Hooters girls that could be serious girlfriend material. Very, very sweet and sexy girls—a few English speakers. The ones I connected with seemed very genuine and I did not even approach them with a pay for play scenario. Has anyone had success with any of the Hooters girls after hours? Did it take much? Wouldn't want to out any names on here to make sure no one loses their job (that's what PMs are for).

After going back to the apartment to recharge, I stepped out across from my apartment to this little bar / disco on the corner of Carrera 38 and Calle 8 a (sorry, I can't recall the name). A couple of chicas caught my eye. They were apparently working girls, because when they left, the tout working the corner was telling them to hurry back because there was a potential customer (me) and he didn't want me to leave. A couple of small groups came in after them. Usually 1 guy and several girls. Seems to be the norm for girls going out in groups. As I nursed a rum and coke, JetBlue homie from Hooters popped up! Cool shit, good to have some company that isn't trying to get me to buy something. So, we talked more about bitches, while he waited for a text to meet up with his girl for the night and I waited for mine.

I now had an interesting dilemma; Yuli, from La Isla was on her way for a TLN at 10 pm, but Dahiana wanted to come by at 9 pm for a short time session. I wanted to see Dahiana more than anything, but I surely didn't want to turn away my all night angel Yuli. So, I decided to keep them both—rush through my appointment with Dahiana, and stall Yuli once she arrived (luckily, I told Yuli to meet me at Hooters rather than give her my address). Really, it was the only respectable option I had! To make matters worse, a decently attractive, busty 38 year old Colombian civilian lady approached us and started talking. She was very friendly and obviously very drunk. My friend excused himself for his date and I entertained drunk Colombian lady. She threw out every possible signal that she wanted to fuck. And I was unavailable. Had it been any other prepago who was enroute to my apartment, I would have just stood them up and took the free fuck. But, I really wanted these two girls! So, I dutifully took down the civilian girl's number as she blabbered on about nothing. Meanwhile, I'm getting text updates from Dahiana. Next thing I know, she texts that she's at my door. I look over and sure as shit, she's standing there! I excuse myself from drunk lady and make my way over to the apartment building. My incredible night was about to begin!

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Okaaaay! So, this is my first reporting from last week's trip to Bogota and Medellin. I can think of no better way to kick it off than with reporting on one of the most TOTAL packages I have ever encountered. In a word. Insatiable.

First off, I must say, there were no signs of any drug use, excessive surgery or anything other than an intensely hot and passionate Colombiana with the sensitivity of a virgin and the body of a true porn star. She may have breast implants, but if so, they are very well done and are surely not a reason to pass. Her lips seemed very natural as I sucked on them throughout the night!

Now, I have to say, this was an 8:30 pm appointment that started out as a 3:00 pm appointment. Although constantly in communication, she called me from the taxi, I could hear the tell-tale crappy taxi radio music and numerous horns honking and outside noise. She told me she needed to turn around and let her mom into the house because the mom forgot her keys. This was about an hour after I had been waiting (about 4:00 pm). I was a little upset, but didn't want to burn the bridge. I just told her to let me know when she would be available again. Surprisingly, she contacted me at about 6:00 pm and said she could come by at 9:00 pm. I asked her to make it 8:30 pm because of a previous engagement, and she did. Not about to wait around for her, I was out and about and actually at a club across the street from my apartment having drinks outside. As I was entertaining a drunk Colombian lady (or rather, she was entertaining me), I noticed a very well-dressed woman standing in front of the door to my building. Odd, since the door is always open. I looked at my phone and she had texted me that she was in-fact at my door. I quickly dismissed the drunk Colombiana and rushed over to let her up. Gentlemen.

Her smell was alluring. A faint fragrance that smelled like sweet berries infused with an alluring perfume.

Her dress was immaculate. From her strappy, heeled sandals which showed her perfectly pedicured toes to her modest, yet sexy pants and snow white flared shirt, incredibly attended to makeup and carefully teased hair.

Her eyes and smile gave off an incredibly sexy contradiction of fear and seduction.

I knew from the first embrace and besos that this girl would be incredible! And I was right.

As we entered the apartment, I offered her a drink: Tequila, Whiskey, Vodka or Cognac, all of which she declined in favor of ice water. She was more than willing to engage in small talk and began to apologize profusely for the problem with her mother earlier. I had to cut it off and move to the main event, as I had a toda la noche en route from Bello for a 10:00 pm apartment. As I started to undress, she followed suit. While I always insist on a girl taking a shower before sex, I did not dare wash away the alluring essence of this beauty. I was confident in her self-hygiene and needed to get to business ASAP.

She started with an expected BBBJ, which I never asked for, but was pleased with. Not as much tongue as I would have liked, but definitely enthusiastic, rhythmic and without pain (from her teeth). From there, I strapped up and threw her into missionary so that I could look into her amazingly innocent-looking eyes and beautiful face as I grinded away. I was in heaven as I listened to her moans and whimpers in response to each change in stroke. I could feel her body shiver as she tried to adjust to my size at different angles. Whether she was faking or not, it was VERY convincing. Feeling myself about to bust, I flipped her to doggy and began to pound her ass relentlessly. Oh. That ass! Fellas, I don't know if I can accurately describe how perfect it was. It is much better than what you see on her porn videos. Certainly, she has worked it out, as it is firm, yet not too muscular. It has just enough cushion to sink your fingers in about a half inch. No ass implants here. Her ass is perfectly proportionate to the rest of her body and flows perfectly to her legs which have the same level of firmness and being worked out. Again, she was amazing vocal and responsive without the idea of her faking even entering my mind. Again, being close to climax, I laid on my back and had her on top in cowgirl. This was perfect, as I could admire her gorgeous face and body with my hands on her ass. My favorite is to have the girl lean forward and bounce / twerk her ass on my dick, while I watch the ass jump with my hands on her waist. Her skill at this was amazing. Knowing that she understood English, I started talking shit to her, which must've gotten in her head, because she screamed, whimpered, and gushed all over me, which made me cum as well. She collapsed on top of me, shivering. Definitely one of the top 3 experiences of my life! We chilled for about 10 minutes and then I got up and started to clean up, to which she followed suit. Total damage: 200 mil pesos. She says she will be in Spain in October, when I asked to see her again then for a toda la noche. Not sure when she's leaving, but, she should DEFINITELY be the next girl you contact! She doesn't answer WhatsApp messages from people she doesn't know and says that any new friends should contact her on FaceBook first. Good luck and enjoy the pics (the white top, black pants outfit is what she was wearing her night with me)!

After I watched Dahiana's sexy ass walk away, I cleaned the apartment really quickly and left to meet Yuli. She was waiting in a taxi in front of Hooters dutifully, albeit with me being 30 minutes late. She was a real sweetheart. When we got to the apartment, I offered her a drink, which she accepted (whiskey) and asked if she was hungry, which she declined. I asked her to shower while I prepared her surprise. She seemed a little resistant and suspicious but she went into the bathroom for like 5 min, then came out. Well, she saw that I was lighting candles, turning on music and filling the hot tub and let out a big scream with an amazing smile and complied with going back into the bathroom. She came out with her oversized towel, shyly wrapped around her body. Okay, this is going to get mushy. With the music playing, I put my hands on the sides of her face and kissed her and she dropped her towel and was standing completely naked in front of this (see photo) hot tub. She then undressed me and we helped each other into the hot tub. Without exchanging many words, I could tell she appreciated the effort and that I would be well-rewarded. As soon as we sat in the tub, she positioned herself to service me. She wanted to give me a massage, when I declined, she wanted to give me a blow job, which I also declined. I wanted her to relax and enjoy the experience. I positioned her laying between my legs with her head resting on my chest. I caressed her breasts and her clit and enjoyed watching her reaction. Then I positioned myself to go down on her, which she really enjoyed. The music that was playing seemed to be perfect for every moment we had that night. She ended up forcing me down and giving an enthusiastic blowjob. She was in the mix! She had completely lost control. She jumped on top of my dick (without the condom) and rode me for about 30 seconds before she got her senses back and asked me to get a condom. I tried to keep it going, but she insisted. So, anyway, we fucked like drunk monkeys for the next couple of hours in bed then fell asleep. We covered all the positions, I can't say which position was my favorite because she was really so good in each position and I genuinely enjoyed her company! I woke her up in the middle of the night, which was probably about 3 am, going down on her, then fucking her in lazy doggy. That was a quickie with that ass! She woke me up at about 7:30 with a BJ, which was slow and sensual. Just what you need to get going in the morning. She then cleaned up and said she had to go. I paid her 400 mil for the night, which included her taxi to and from Bello. Which I thought was great for the quality of girl she was. She declined breakfast and was off! Another of Colombia's finest, off after giving me an amazing experience.

Yuli – La Isla Club.

Wednesday, September 6, 2017.

Today was a slow day, in fact, it ends up being the only day I didn't get laid. I ended up convincing frat and dipshit to walk down to Oviedo Mall, BodyTech, and EAFIT. It was another beautiful day in Medellin. The mall was pretty quiet in general. Not a lot of eye candy to speak of. Is this the best mall for eye candy? Where would be best? What time? BodyTech was an awesome gym. The young woman who gave us a tour was average looking, but I could see her being fun out on the town. I got her number, though I'm not sure if it is her work number or cell number. She seemed very interested in knowing about my schedule for every day I was in Medellin and kept asking if I was married or had a girlfriend or kids. We took the walk from BodyTech to the Language School of EAFIT, but we couldn't get in because dipshit didn't have an ID. We were just going to walk around the campus, maybe inquire about Spanish classes and look at some eye candy, which we saw plenty of, even from the gate of the campus. Took a taxi back to Lleras.

I had summoned a FB girl named Paola Correa ([URL]https://www.facebook.com/paola.correa.1614[/URL]) over to my apartment, but when she showed, she did not look as nice in person. She had a low cut top, which showed saggy breasts with stretch marks and she had a bigger head (weird, right?) than in her pics. I just didn't feel like trying too hard, so I made up an excuse that the management was repairing something in the apartment, so I gave her 40 mil for her troubles. She said thank you, turned around, and left! Thank God, no drama.

I pretty much chilled for the rest of the day. Management came by again to look at the hot tub after I told them the jets didn't work when I used it the previous night. They said it couldn't be fixed that day. Long story short. Me and the fellas had dinner at Angus Brangus. Food was great! I had the Trio Carne (three types of steaks), with mashed potatoes, a salad, calamari, a shrimp appetizer and a media carafe of sangria. I think my total damage was about 80 k pesos. It was really a nice place and I wish I had a nice girl there to share dinner with instead of these two knuckleheads. But, we bro'the out and reminisced on our experiences, though were a bit anxious about getting through FLL ahead of Hurricane Irma.

Once we took the taxi back to Lleras, I walked around Parque Lleras a bit and went into Gusto's for the first time. It began to get pretty filled by 11 pm or so. Now, I wasn't really sure what to expect at Gusto's—are all the girls available there? Or, is it a mix and you need to take caution in your approach? I was actually surprised at the size of the crowd for a Wednesday. But, I ended up going home alone, which wasn't sooo bad, just a little disappointing. None of the girls there were outwardly showing that they were available, but I wasn't really putting out the most welcoming vibe either. I think it was just time to get home!

Thursday, September 7, 2017.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/h...05067/8392687/[/URL]

MARIA FERNANDA.

Maria Fernanda has the distinction of being the last girl I banged on my last trip to Medellin! I found her on [URL]Mileroticos.com[/URL] among a few others, but she was the only one who was ready when I was. She has a great body, with massive (though operated) tits. A point of note, one breast (the left one) is bigger than the other, she says because her baby favored the smaller one and rejected the larger one, which affected the tissue or some such shit.

Anyway, I texted her at about 7:30 am and asked if she could do a 9:00 am appointment in Lleras. She said she could do 9:30. My taxi was due to pick me up at 11:30, so that would be great. I could get a solid 1 1/2 hours of boning in as I left paradise! At 9:30, of course, she wasn't there and said she had just left her house. Not good. Said she would be there by 10 am. Okay, salvageable, right? At 10, I asked her where she was. She was on the Metro! Universidad station. She then would need to catch a taxi to my apartment. Not good.

She didn't end up showing at my apartment until 11:00 am. I rescheduled my taxi for 12 and figured I'd make the best of it. She showed up looking great! Nice, thick curvy body, long hair and a cute face with nice juicy lips (the better for sucking with). I told her I had to take a taxi soon to the airport and she seemed to genuinely feel bad that she had taken so long. She realized that she was going to have a limited time, but did not give me a shortened experience. She started with the BBBJ which was incredible! She did it from different angles, with various rhythms and very sloppy. I enjoyed watching her juicy lips pressing and pulling on my pipe. She thought I wanted to go to doggy immediately, but I had to have her on top to watch those huge tits bouncing as she rode my dick. I pulled out a little baby oil and greased those babies up. Of course, I enjoyed watching her ass bounce on my dick as well. From there, I went to doggy, where I finished after giving her a good pounding.

She was a very nice, sweet girl with a great body and a true desire to please. I gave her a bunch of stuff from my kitchen which I had left over, as well as some soap, condoms, and other stuff. I asked her if she smoked weed, to which she responded yes. I told her I didn't but am more open to trying it, to which she smiled. I told her I want her to break me in with my first joint next time and she agreed. I would definitely see her again! I would even bring her a gift or two just because she seems so genuine. One of the most "on the border" non-pro girls I have ever met. She is a sweetheart, treat her right and she'll be good to you!

Maria Fernanda – [URL]Mileroticos.com[/URL].

I stay in Nutibara now, English speaking receptionist available during day time; Centro is very active in the day with hundreds of cellphone electronics shops, street foods & pharmacies. It's safe in the day, as a precaution I took only 100 k pesos, leaving cell phone in hotel. Complete different story in the evening after shops get closed, drug addicts start roaming similar to Chicago downtown. BTW, I feel bringing girl to the room is a bad idea as even street girls have their rooms.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2084801]Nutibara will work for you. There are lots of no-tell motels all around it in case you get into some rough trade you don't want in your room near your valuables. I don't really thinks it matters as much as some of the guys here would lead you to believe but I hear the Nutibara staff speaking English to gringo customers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2085258]Any of you lads have any information on the swing clubs in Mde? Are they like the ones described in the reports in Bogota? Any shared information would be great I. E, name, location, contact, atmosphere, how things work etc. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Why don't you make a search in the threads of MDE and BOG?

I went to swinger clubs in MDE and BOG many times and I also wrote reports. They are on the List. What else do you need??

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2085839]Why don't you make a search in the threads of MDE and BOG?

I went to swinger clubs in MDE and BOG many times and I also wrote reports. They are on the List. What else do you need??[/QUOTE]The only interesting post I saw was from 2014. Anyone with recent swinger scene reports? Where, how much, and how it works?

You left out an important fact. The nightly cost of rooms at Nutibara. Also, there are a few restaurants in its mini food court so you can have a near Mansion like experience and rarely leave the hotel. Not many people would do that once they have a look at the lively scene across the street from the hotel and you have all night Yakuza behind it.

[QUOTE=Jicks;2085681]I stay in Nutibara now, English speaking receptionist available during day time; Centro is very active in the day with hundreds of cellphone electronics shops, street foods & pharmacies. It's safe in the day, as a precaution I took only 100 k pesos, leaving cell phone in hotel. Complete different story in the evening after shops get closed, drug addicts start roaming similar to Chicago downtown. BTW, I feel bringing girl to the room is a bad idea as even street girls have their rooms.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2085923]You left out an important fact. The nightly cost of rooms at Nutibara. Also, there are a few restaurants in its mini food court so you can have a near Mansion like experience and rarely leave the hotel. Not many people would do that once they have a look at the lively scene across the street from the hotel and you have all night Yakuza behind it.[/QUOTE]17% of travelers rating Nutibara give it the lowest possible rating. The most troubling aspect is that replies by management don't even address the complaints. Saw this response several times:

"Thank you for staying with us! We take great care to make our guests' stay as pleasant as possible, and we appreciate your comments. ".

Costs $34 a night. Important point is time management. I have a room to relax between casa visits. Trip from Poblado to casa takes 30 minutes during day but 15 minutes during night, want to reduce travel during day. I won't recommend nutibara more than two days, not good to stay in room for long hours due to noise issue.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2085923]You left out an important fact. The nightly cost of rooms at Nutibara. Also, there are a few restaurants in its mini food court so you can have a near Mansion like experience and rarely leave the hotel. Not many people would do that once they have a look at the lively scene across the street from the hotel and you have all night Yakuza behind it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2085923]You left out an important fact. The nightly cost of rooms at Nutibara. Also, there are a few restaurants in its mini food court so you can have a near Mansion like experience and rarely leave the hotel. Not many people would do that once they have a look at the lively scene across the street from the hotel and you have all night Yakuza behind it.[/QUOTE]Not to mention you have 4 strip clubs within 2 blocks and ChicosPunta and Yakusa real close too. And 24 HR food across Maracaibo near the metro at Brase Pan and the airport bus right there and the VeraCruz girls only a block or so. Although I like the Botero, being 15 stories it's hard to beat the view out of the upper stories, esp at night. And only $25 a night.

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2085917]The only interesting post I saw was from 2014. Anyone with recent swinger scene reports? Where, how much, and how it works?[/QUOTE]Swinger clubs in Bogota and Medellin are interesting, but probably only for me and few others. They are NOT like the ones you may know in Europe (USA clubs are a joke: I remember one in SFO where I always had the security behind my shoulders checking that all rules were obeyed).

In general, they are run down and "caseros": basic infrastructure and not high class people. From outside, they could be intimidating for a first timer: no sign, only a bell to ring.

Several of them only accept couples. Most of them accept singles only on some days of the week. For example, in MDE the 3 most popular (Dreams, Lili and another I forgot the name) accept singles one on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, or on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. In Bogota, I know only one which accept singles (and it is the most basic and run down).

The operation is simple: you leave all your clothes, phone, things in a cabinet and can keep only a towel around your waist. They give you a bracelet for the key of the cabinet and condoms. Entrance fee is cheap, at least for us foreigners: it could be from 30k to 60k for a single male (when admitted). Drinks are for a fee, but really cheap.

The good thing is that they all have a sauna and steam bath. Some even a jacuzzi for 5.

How is the people there? On the nights for singles, few couples, mostly aged, some looking for playing with singles. YMMV! I spent full afternoons in Bogota in that club, doing nothing except looking the naked ladies playing with her husband. Other times, it was really a blast: I remember a couple from Leticia, where she was really "India", short and round but firm and sexy. Insatiable. Her husband insisted that I gave her lots of semen to drink.

In Medellin, I went many times to all three, but I had some good fun only when I went there with a girl (I gave her only 100 k for the accompanying me there) on nights reserved to couples. On the nights for couples, some girls are really STUNNING (beware: also the guys are handsome, so do not expect the girls jump on you, unless you look like Brad Pitt). I saw many young couples around 20yo-25yo range.
I would not recommend you go to these clubs, unless you stay there for many days and have explored the scene enough. If you want to get laid, swinger clubs are not the first place to consider.

Amazing to see how the young generation of Medellin is discovering this new thing of swinging. Overall, however, it is a marginal phenomenon. If you consider the million of citizens in Medellin, the number of sex clubs and casas, the number of love motels where couples have their fun, seeing only 3-4 swinging clubs really says how marginal is still this thing.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2086079]Swinger clubs in Bogota and Medellin are interesting, but probably only for me and few others. They are NOT like the ones you may know in Europe (USA clubs are a joke: I remember one in SFO where I always had the security behind my shoulders checking that all rules were obeyed).

In general, they are run down and "caseros": basic infrastructure and not high class people. From outside, they could be intimidating for a first timer: no sign, only a bell to ring.


In Medellin, I went many times to all three, but I had some good fun only when I went there with a girl (I gave her only 100 k for the accompanying me there) on nights reserved to couples. On the nights for couples, some girls are really STUNNING (beware: also the guys are handsome, so do not expect the girls jump on you, unless you look like Brad Pitt). I saw many young couples around 20yo-25yo range.
I would not recommend you go to these clubs, unless you stay there for many days and have explored the scene enough. If you want to get laid, swinger clubs are not the first place to consider..[/QUOTE]So Bogota swing scene is better than Mde? And swing clubs in Mde are only worth it if I bring a girl. What club is best and what's the name in Mde? Are the Bogota reports of the famous vivianna over exaggerated in you opinion? [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=1911247&highlight=Milenio[/URL].

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2086101]So Bogota swing scene is better than Mde? And swing clubs in Mde are only worth it if I bring a girl. What club is best and what's the name in Mde? Are the Bogota reports of the famous vivianna over exaggerated in you opinion? [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=1911247&highlight=Milenio[/URL].[/QUOTE]No, BOG scene is not better, unless you have a girl with you: as I wrote, I know only one which allows single men (but I never spent long periods in BOG, so I may be wrong).

There is not one club which outstands others in MDE, in my opinion. Maybe Lili, but again if you have a girl.

And I don't know Vivianna in BOG. I can't judge if what's reported there is exaggerated or not (probably yes). But one thing is sure: that report from Routard is SUPER. He knows what he is talking about. He knows more than me (he claims he has lived in Bog for two years) and I can confirm whatever he wrote and I know. I could not mention a single wrong thing there.

I discovered this FANTASTIC report by Routard in the Bogota Thread.

Among all the useful information that he provided, I wish to highlight this Golden Lesson, especially for someones who wrote on this thread:

[I] Are all Colombianas potential prostitutes? This is a very common mistake made by gringos who can only meet prostitutes and therefore believe all Colombianas are prostitutes. [/I]

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;2085665]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/la.yeaa[/URL]

Hmmm, what can I say about Iaraldine? Great fuck. Fucking flakey. Fucking fumes! Allow me to elaborate.

Shit got weird.

[URL]Mileroticos.com[/URL].[/QUOTE]Great Report Rodeo. Man, I am so tempted to pull Iaraldine but don't know if I can handle the drama & glue huffing mess!! She does have the prototype body that I like, so I probably will.

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2086147]Great Report Rodeo. Man, I am so tempted to pull Iaraldine but don't know if I can handle the drama & glue huffing mess!! She does have the prototype body that I like, so I probably will.

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]Thanks brother! Took me awhile to write the report, but, we got to pay our dues. I still need to write the Bogota report, which I feel I had better experiences in Bogota!

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2086122][I] Are all Colombianas potential prostitutes? This is a very common mistake made by gringos who can only meet prostitutes and therefore believe all Colombianas are prostitutes. [/I][/QUOTE]That is a commom held belief by mongers who go to Colombia, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Thailand, and Philippines. They only go to a few spots that are known for hookers and are soon conditioned to believe every woman in the country is a hooker.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2086079]Amazing to see how the young generation of Medellin is discovering this new thing of swinging. Overall, however, it is a marginal phenomenon. If you consider the million of citizens in Medellin, the number of sex clubs and casas, the number of love motels where couples have their fun, seeing only 3-4 swinging clubs really says how marginal is still this thing.[/QUOTE]Not really. 20 years ago there were only 3-4 swingers clubs in the Phoenix, AZ metro area, an area with a comparable population to Medellin. San Diego only had 1 club at that time, Las Vegas, 3.

For the upper class, swinging is more of a private affair. Their parties aren't open to everyone who has a few pesos. That's why you'll find mostly middle class people at a swingers club.

Any decent swingers club will limit access of single men. As a rule, single men behave badly in a swingers club. Especially when the number of single men greatly outnumbers the number of women. Couples are much more likely to be interested in either another woman, or another couple than a single man.

For each club, there are 2 to 3 open swinger parties on the weekends, but you need to be connected with the local swingers community to find them. Don't ask me, I'm not connected here and don't plan to be any time soon.

From what I understand, Viviana in Bogota pays women to fill the club for nights when single men are allowed in. Lilli in Medellin probably does the same.

The Mansion maybe has a higher tripadvisor rating. YMMV I guess.

[QUOTE=Dccpa;2085942]17% of travelers rating Nutibara give it the lowest possible rating. The most troubling aspect is that replies by management don't even address the complaints. Saw this response several times:

"Thank you for staying with us! We take great care to make our guests' stay as pleasant as possible, and we appreciate your comments. ".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jicks;2085948] I won't recommend nutibara more than two days, not good to stay in room for long hours due to noise issue.[/QUOTE]I had that issue my 1st time at the Hotel Botero on the 5th floor, now I insist on the upper floors, was on the 14th floor this last trip and had zero noise issues.

If you do stay there ask for a top floor and the west side of the building, stays cooler in the morning and has a better view-the side opposite the street you come into the lobby from. Also tell them you want a mini-fridge and fan in your room.

I see it a little differently. I do notice the mentality you described but I don't think it's very common among guys who spend time in places beyond the Mansion, casas, strip clubs, and freelancer bars. Every so often, and it is very noticeable, I see a guy who is in a supermarket, a university campus or other public place leering and gesturing at random women. It's not a good look. Unless a guy is developmentally disabled, it doesn't take long for anyone to pick up on the social cues in the reactions of people (not just the women) when they behave like they are in a monger venue in a public setting that is not a monger venue.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2086161]That is a common held belief by mongers who go to Colombia, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Thailand, and Philippines. They only go to a few spots that are known for hookers and are soon conditioned to believe every woman in the country is a hooker.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2086161]That is a commom held belief by mongers who go to Colombia, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Thailand, and Philippines. They only go to a few spots that are known for hookers and are soon conditioned to believe every woman in the country is a hooker.[/QUOTE]Of course there not all hookers, not every woman in any of these countries, I myself have been to 3 out of the 5 you list and now in Medellin BUT it is true that in Colombia selling pussy is so ingrained in the culture, such a fine line between a normal professional type woman and making some money on the side, that I can understand why a monger can have this mind set albeit not the norm.

Just my two cents.

TTM.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2086161]That is a commom held belief by mongers who go to Colombia, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Thailand, and Philippines. They only go to a few spots that are known for hookers and are soon conditioned to believe every woman in the country is a hooker.[/QUOTE]These have no exposure to culture.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2086180]Not really. 20 years ago there were only 3-4 swingers clubs in the Phoenix, AZ metro area, an area with a comparable population to Medellin. San Diego only had 1 club at that time, Las Vegas, 3.[/QUOTE]Sorry to say that, but it's not surprising for the best known Sex Prison: USA. In Amsterdam, Paris, Milano, Rome, or some other major capitals of sinful Europe, the number of genuine swinger clubs (no P4 P permitted, no paid girls on site) is on the order of 20,30, 50, even more than that. All in a city with few millions citizens. Netherlands rules.

Higher floor is better for sure. That is why apartments cost more the higher the floor, and the penthouse is the most expensive. At Nutibara ask for a room that faces the back of the hotel, it's much quieter. A few months ago when the water main construction project that's been going on around Centro for the past four years swung into high gear around Parque Bolivar, it didn't matter which floor you were on. The sound of the all night concrete drilling was brutal. I don't know how anyone could sleep without earplugs. Earplugs are your travel friend.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2086233]I had that issue my 1st time at the Hotel Botero on the 5th floor, now I insist on the upper floors, was on the 14th floor this last trip and had zero noise issues.

If you do stay there ask for a top floor and the west side of the building, stays cooler in the morning and has a better view-the side opposite the street you come into the lobby from. Also tell them you want a mini-fridge and fan in your room.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;2085665]Saturday, September 2, 2017.

Medellin.

My wingman and I arrived in Medellin from Bogota via VivaColombia, a Colombian national airline (flight was $29, but ended up being $54 after adding baggage and selecting seat. A lot like Spirit), at about 5:30 pm. I had made arrangements with Fernando for a pickup. The Medellin airport (MDE) is pretty small and simple, so, luggage was ready almost immediately. Since I was traveling domestically from Bogota, no Customs or Immigration crap. Sure as shit, Fernando had one of his workers waiting with a sign with my name on it. I was a little confused because the guy was with some tour company and tried to get me to sign some contract for "security" and "the car. " I politely refused that shit. Additionally, I hadn't asked about the price in advance and got stuck with an 80 mil pesos bill (ouch) for the ride. That was a ripoff, but, if you're going to be ripped off, its always on the taxi ride in, right?

Condensed for the sake of content.

She was a very nice, sweet girl with a great body and a true desire to please. I gave her a bunch of stuff from my kitchen which I had left over, as well as some soap, condoms, and other stuff. I asked her if she smoked weed, to which she responded yes. I told her I didn't but am more open to trying it, to which she smiled. I told her I want her to break me in with my first joint next time and she agreed. I would definitely see her again! I would even bring her a gift or two just because she seems so genuine. One of the most "on the border" non-pro girls I have ever met. She is a sweetheart, treat her right and she'll be good to you!

Maria Fernanda [URL]Mileroticos.com[/URL].[/QUOTE]What a hell of a report! Love this the best and still LMFAO "Wingman apparently kicked fat girl to the curb after she took off her clothes and he saw all of her fat rolls. ".

TTM.

Which is more consistent and reliable?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2086180]Lilli in Medellin probably does the same.[/QUOTE]The few times I went to Lili in Medellin as a single man, I never did anything besides watching. There were couples, but interested only to couples. No single girls on site to entertain single men. I remember a Colombian guy with 3 (three) young girls looking like "next-door-type". They were pampering him as a king. One of them flirted a bit with me, but only to give me her number for another time (that is, they were paid by the guy).

I saw some ladies clearly paid by the club in Dreams, if I am not wrong. I did not partake, as if I want to stay with a prepago I don't go to a club.

Day one.

Flew spirit airline's out of FLL at a rate of 192 bucks round trip. We all know spirit is a shitty airline who is grossly incompetent. This goes for every employee who works for spirit! Complete incompetence. Flight was delayed out of FLL for 2 hour's! My return flight was a nightmare as they boarded us all on the plane for an on time departure, only to be told the fucking plane has a flat tire! Took us off the plane to supposedly fix the flat tire, then after 2 hour's they canceled the flight! Complete Chao at the spirit gate! Every employee there is trained to lie straight to you're face!

Day one: Arrived in MDE two hour's late. Customs was a breeze, zero issues. I booked my apartment thru my buddy Ruben at Poblado rentals. Beautiful state of the art apartment in Parque Llaras. Ruben sent a driver to pick my and my buddy from Dallas up. Driver was right there waiting with my name on a sign. Took forever to get to apartment due to horrible traffic. This is my 5th trip to Medellin, If you like good scenery, the airport ride gives you plenty of that.

Get to apartment and Maria is there waiting with the key. Ruben is awesome! Never any issues. Beautiful apartments. Me and my buddy unpack and head to the cambio to exchange money. The rate was 2850 on day one. It fluctuates daily all during the day.

I must give a HUGE shout out to my man Wolf!! This brother is a gold mine when it comes to Medellin! Everything he told me was spot on!! I'm a well seasoned traveler and rely on my own two feet to find out secret casas to dream at, but Wolf made it easy for me! Wolf also was generous enough to give me contact info to a smoking hot 18 year old gorgeous spinner! Yes, She is legal age. I personally saw her Cedula. More on her later.

Me and my Buddy grabbed a taxi and headed to New Life. Arrived late evening around 7. Cheap drinks and cheap girl's. 50 K for 30 minutes. Line up was not the greatest at all. About 15 girl's, maybe 7 were doable. I saw no dimes. My buddy grabbed a big booty big tit girl named Paola and I grabbed a tiny white skinned blonde with braces. What's with all the chick's with brace's? I get to the room and she is very cool and has a great personality. I offered her 10 K for a BBBJ and she said OK. Good BJ skills and I should have came in her mouth but I held out to fuck her beautiful clean shaved pussy.

Condom comes out and she gets in K9 position. Slid it in and I notice that her pussy is definitely not tight which I prefer. Decent, just not tight. I can tell she's been fucked HARD, a LOT. No biggie. Finished up quick. I only wish I would have just finished in her mouth, she wanted an additional tip for that. I said no way. Really nice girl.

My buddy enjoyed his girl and invited her over to our apartment that night. I don't enjoy when girls stay all night with me. I don't get good sleep. Constantly sleeping with one eye open! LOL!

Headed back to Parque Lleras for a great steak dinner. Girls are everywhere in Parque Lleras! Paradise! Most beautiful area in Medellin!

Finish dinner and we head to pharmacy for some Viagra. They wanted 15 k for 4 50 MG tablets. Little expensive and should have went to a centro pharmacy where I know I can get them dirt cheap.

To be continued brothers.

C5.

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[QUOTE=Queens35;2086645]80 MIL. OUCH? The refgular taxi is 75 mil and most private drivers are 70-75, you were overcharged by 5-10 mil, a whole $3. 50 at most.

Good report.[/QUOTE]Hmm, thanks for the redirect. Good to know the average cost. I thought some folks told me it should be about 50 mil.

[QUOTE=Chris561;2086477]My buddy grabbed a big booty big tit girl named Paola and I grabbed a tiny white skinned blonde with braces. What's with all the chick's with brace's?[/QUOTE]99 out of 100 of them are fashion (fake) braces. That is the thing in Latin America and Asia now. If you look at the chicks that wear them, most of their teeth are already perfect.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;2086649]Hmm, thanks for the redirect. Good to know the average cost. I thought some folks told me it should be about 50 mil.[/QUOTE]That may be an old price. 70-80 mil is about right. Personally, I tend to use the same private driver who charges 80 and I give him 100 each time just because he's punctual and reliable. The last time I used a taxi I think it was more than 80 because he had an extra charge per person and I shared the cab with a couple I met on the plane.

I apologize if my question is OOT, but there is a reason if I post it here. Please bear with me.

I will go to Guatemala, many years after my first visit (and anyway I did not have the chance to play at that time). I have seen in the Guatemala thread that some people posting here is active also there.

I am interested, more than visiting casas and clubs (which I guess I will do anyway), to explore also the underground and street action. Maybe not necessarily to get a girl, but to get to know the local environment. It's always interesting for me to venture off track.

As I do in Medellin: every time I was in Medellin, I spent hours walking around Centro streets, not only at daytime but also well after midnight, and not only along the bars of Raudal and De Greiff but also at Prado under the metro, as well as I spent hours with a friend taxi driver roaming around where it is not possible to walk. All that, often without taking a girl unless the few times I spotted a gem (to my eyes, of course).

So what is my question here. How are the streets of Guatemala City at night, compared to Medellin? What is the level of danger? More dangerous? Less? And what about taxis? Are they safe as in Medellin, or there is still a problem of robbing? What about Zona 1? Other areas marked for "street walkers" on the Google map provided in the Guatemala Thread?

I post this question here, because I am asking those who are familiar with both places and therefore can provide their insight, using Medellin as a comparison term.

Thank you!

P.S.: I notice that the efficient "cleaning service" is always active on this thread. Some washing overnight was carried out.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;2086649]Hmm, thanks for the redirect. Good to know the average cost. I thought some folks told me it should be about 50 mil.[/QUOTE]I'm almost certain the posted rate is 65 k from the airport.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2086674]99 out of 100 of them are fashion (fake) braces. That is the thing in Latin America and Asia now. If you look at the chicks that wear them, most of their teeth are already perfect.[/QUOTE]Ahhhhh, now I get it. The more and more I think about it, every chick I saw in Medellin who had braces had damm near clean, white, and perfect teeth. Cool fashion statement for Colombia.

C5.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2086735]I apologize if my question is OOT, but there is a reason if I post it here. Please bear with me.

I will go to Guatemala, many years after my first visit (and anyway I did not have the chance to play at that time). I have seen in the Guatemala thread that some people posting here is active also there.

So what is my question here. How are the streets of Guatemala City at night, compared to Medellin? What is the level of danger? More dangerous? Less? And what about taxis? Are they safe as in Medellin, or there is still a problem of robbing? What about Zona 1? Other areas marked for "street walkers" on the Google map provided in the Guatemala Thread?

[/QUOTE]I am interested also, I will be in Guat City. Zona 9 from 11/5-11/8.

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2086238]I see it a little differently. I do notice the mentality you described but I don't think it's very common among guys who spend time in places beyond the Mansion, casas, strip clubs, and freelancer bars. Every so often, and it is very noticeable, I see a guy who is in a supermarket, a university campus or other public place leering and gesturing at random women. It's not a good look. Unless a guy is developmentally disabled, it doesn't take long for anyone to pick up on the social cues in the reactions of people (not just the women) when they behave like they are in a monger venue in a public setting that is not a monger venue.[/QUOTE]When I stay at Casa Blanca and I go out alone I try to act as "moral" as I can (no leering, catcalling or treating every young local woman as if she is a working girl) and that has served me well.

But when I've gone out with less than subtle (and LOUD) gringos who do these things I've always felt the lasers coming out of the eyes of the local folks ESPECIALLY the older females. Very uncomfortable and I'm surprised my fellow ADULT travelers don't have that basic common sense.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2086161]That is a commom held belief by mongers who go to Colombia, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Thailand, and Philippines. They only go to a few spots that are known for hookers and are soon conditioned to believe every woman in the country is a hooker.[/QUOTE]You're right though Sosua might be an exception. I think almost every female in that town is available for money.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2086249]Of course there not all hookers, not every woman in any of these countries, I myself have been to 3 out of the 5 you list and now in Medellin BUT it is true that in Colombia selling pussy is so ingrained in the culture, such a fine line between a normal professional type woman and making some money on the side, that I can understand why a monger can have this mind set albeit not the norm.

Just my two cents.

TTM.[/QUOTE]Yes it's ingrained in the culture, but it's done subtly / discreetly. Rich Colombianos don't bring obvious Estrato 1 hookers out in public. And they don't yell to everyone within 20 feet about all the **** pussy they're smashing.

[QUOTE=Chris561;2086477]I must give a HUGE shout out to my man Wolf!! This brother is a gold mine when it comes to Medellin! Everything he told me was spot on!! I'm a well seasoned traveler and rely on my own two feet to find out secret casas to dream at, but Wolf made it easy for me! Wolf also was generous enough to give me contact info to a smoking hot 18 year old gorgeous spinner! Yes, She is legal age. I personally saw her Cedula. More on her later.[/QUOTE]Man,

I am jealous, she had lost her ID she said so I said no way, got her number anyway, she even WhatsApped me to take her to get her ID but that didn't sound like much fun, then my last day while on the bus to the airport she WhatsApped me a copy of her new ID, "NOOOOOOOOOOO! Echoed across the valley's. LOL. Man she has the tiniest flattest waist and looks to be all of 75 lbs wet. Sigh, next time. Was she fun? Cuter / hotter in person then these pictures would indicate I thought.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2086735]I apologize if my question is OOT, but there is a reason if I post it here. Please bear with me.

I will go to Guatemala, many years after my first visit (and anyway I did not have the chance to play at that time). I have seen in the Guatemala thread that some people posting here is active also there.

I am interested, more than visiting casas and clubs (which I guess I will do anyway), to explore also the underground and street action. Maybe not necessarily to get a girl, but to get to know the local environment. It's always interesting for me to venture off track.

As I do in Medellin: every time I was in Medellin, I spent hours walking around Centro streets, not only at daytime but also well after midnight, and not only along the bars of Raudal and De Greiff but also at Prado under the metro, as well as I spent hours with a friend taxi driver roaming around where it is not possible to walk..[/QUOTE]Statistically speaking it appears to be a bit more dangerous.

The over all homicide rate is 31.2 per 100,000 in Guatemala, Colombia is 26.5.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[/URL]

However the US tourist death rate over 5 years in Colombia was only point 72 per 100,000, with 19 killed in 5 years per State Dept figures.

[URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/statistics/deaths.html[/URL]

Can't find the number of US tourists to Guatemala but they had 17 US citizens killed over 5 years, Colombia gets 3. 3 million tourists per year, 500,000 from the US, Guatemala gets only 1. 9 million total, number from US uncertain but if the percentages are roughly the same as Colombia then they get around 287,000 US visitors per year, which would give us a figure of 1. 18 killed per 100,000 per year, about 1.6 x's the Colombian rate but still not too bad as the overall US rate of 4.8 per 100,000.

Correct, they are often worn as a sort of costume jewelry. They are a status symbol. I've learned to ignore them but it took a while to realize they wouldn't cut my dick.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2086674]99 out of 100 of them are fashion (fake) braces. That is the thing in Latin America and Asia now. If you look at the chicks that wear them, most of their teeth are already perfect.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2086789]I'm almost certain the posted rate is 65 k from the airport.[/QUOTE]I tookma regular taxi once when Uber couldn't find me for 20 minutes (3 drivers. WTF?

The sticker said 75 k to airport.

The white airport taxis are 65 mil to Poblado and 50 mil back. I use the same guy every time. He is honest and told me the prices. Pay any more than that either way and someone is taking advantage of you (more the principle than the money, obviously).

[QUOTE=Queens35;2086645]80 MIL. OUCH? The refgular taxi is 75 mil and most private drivers are 70-75, you were overcharged by 5-10 mil, a whole $3. 50 at most.

Good report.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2085485]You got to nip that shit in the bud when it is starting to happen. But of course many guys will let it go unchecked because they are afraid of losing out on the pussy. The reason women are able to run over men the way they do is because men let them. It did not happen overnight. It snowballed.[/QUOTE]Still figuring out Colombiana's but all of my experience with latinas in BsAs leads me to believe they are binary in relationships. Somebody is always going to be the boss and if you are unwilling to take that role they are perfectly happy to step up and treat you like a little girl if you let them.

[QUOTE=Chris561;2086477]Day one.

Flew spirit airline's out of FLL at a rate of 192 bucks round trip. We all know spirit is a shitty airline who is grossly incompetent. This goes for every employee who works for spirit! Complete incompetence. Flight was delayed out of FLL for 2 hour's! My return flight was a nightmare as they boarded us all on the plane for an on time departure, only to be told the fucking plane has a flat tire! Took us off the plane to supposedly fix the flat tire, then after 2 hour's they canceled the flight! Complete Chao at the spirit gate! Every employee there is trained to lie straight to your face!

Day one: Arrived in MDE two hour's late. Customs was a breeze, zero issues. I booked my apartment thru my buddy Ruben at Poblado rentals. Beautiful state of the art apartment in Parque Llaras. Ruben sent a driver to pick my and my buddy from Dallas up. Driver was right there waiting with my name on a sign. Took forever to get to apartment due to horrible traffic. This is my 5th trip to Medellin, If you like good scenery, the airport ride gives you plenty of that.

Get to apartment and Maria is there waiting with the key. Ruben is awesome! Never any issues. Beautiful apartments. Me and my buddy unpack and head to the cambio to exchange money. The rate was 2850 on day one. It fluctuates daily all during the day..[/QUOTE]How much was the apartment? Any restrictions?

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2086900]Statistically speaking it appears to be a bit more dangerous.

The over all homicide rate is 31.2 per 100,000 in Guatemala, Colombia is 26.5.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[/URL]

However the US tourist death rate over 5 years in Colombia was only point 72 per 100,000, with 19 killed in 5 years per State Dept figures.

[URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/statistics/deaths.html[/URL]

Can't find the number of US tourists to Guatemala but they had 17 US citizens killed over 5 years, Colombia gets 3. 3 million tourists per year, 500,000 from the US, Guatemala gets only 1. 9 million total, number from US uncertain but if the percentages are roughly the same as Colombia then they get around 287,000 US visitors per year, which would give us a figure of 1. 18 killed per 100,000 per year, about 1.6 x's the Colombian rate but still not too bad as the overall US rate of 4.8 per 100,000.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but you really can't count like that.

The murder per capita rate is counted over a time period of a year while most tourists in Colombia may most likely just spend a week or two in Colombia. Therefore you need to multiply the number you get with 25 or 26.

That would result in a murder rate of approximately 20 murders per 100 000.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2086946]The sticker said 75 k to airport.[/QUOTE]This is the standard rate. Sometimes I paid 70 k, requested by the taxi driver and without negotiating.

I just bought a new iPhone SE from BestBuy. It's an ATT prepaid phone, and locked for 6 months. Is it true that in Colombia any phone can be unlocked for about 50 mil?

My research is giving me conflicting reports. 80% of the Colombians I talk to say it can be unlocked easily. In Mexico and the DR phones can be easily unlocked as well for about the same price. However, some Colombians like the owner of my Airbnb describe going to "many places in Bogota, and none being able to unlock" their American phones.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2087152]I'm sorry but you really can't count like that.

The murder per capita rate is counted over a time period of a year while most tourists in Colombia may most likely just spend a week or two in Colombia. Therefore you need to multiply the number you get with 25 or 26.

That would result in a murder rate of approximately 20 murders per 100 000.[/QUOTE]But that is counted over 12 months and out of 100,000 US visitors to Guatemala on avg 1.18 of them will be murdered per year. That number stays the same regardless how long you visit.

A shorter visit doesn't increase your chances.

[QUOTE=StripperMan;2087261]I just bought a new iPhone SE from BestBuy. It's an ATT prepaid phone, and locked for 6 months. Is it true that in Colombia any phone can be unlocked for about 50 mil?

My research is giving me conflicting reports. 80% of the Colombians I talk to say it can be unlocked easily. In Mexico and the DR phones can be easily unlocked as well for about the same price. However, some Colombians like the owner of my Airbnb describe going to "many places in Bogota, and none being able to unlock" their American phones.[/QUOTE]Older phones yes. Newer ones not so much. Did you call AT&T about unlocking it? With T-mobile you can unlock 1 month at a time for 6 months. Then after your phone is paid off or if you initially paid it in full you can unlock it permanently. There is no more calling them to do it. It is all done on an app that comes on the phone.

Which had worked better for you guys? I am planning on choosing one before my next trip and trying it out.

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2087432]Which had worked better for you guys? I am planning on choosing one before my next trip and trying it out.[/QUOTE]Apples and Oranges.

You use Colombian Cupid to make contacts before you go down and Tinder on the fly while you are there.

Unless you know how to change your IP address to one in Medellin you can't use Tinder to meet (or even see) women in Medellin until you are actually there.

So I am still in Medellin going on almost one month this visit, this being my third visit this year and dozens and dozens since 2008.

I wanted to get some shit crossed off on my bucket-list of what to do to satisfy my sometimes debauchery thinking in Medellin so my good trusted driver and trusted Colombian friend and I took to the road at about midnight on two days this past week, both Wednesday and Friday late night.

SW, For two nights, early AM this past week we trolled all areas of centro for street walkers, my driver was born and raised in Medellin and knew all the areas, damn the shit you see goes from terrifying to the sad and deplorable. Trannies, beat-up and drugged up SW, way young SW actually kids high on glue, tussi spelling? Or whatever, really sad. So, after spending 3 or 4 hours on both nights trolling all around did not pick up anything rather just wanted to see how the early AM SW life is really like in horrible areas of centro Medellin. Many trannies congregate by the area around Cathedral Basicila Metropolitana but side note, damn some of these trannies can fool even a trained eye so be careful.

Conejitas Bar, Friday night spent 2 hours in Conejitas bar across from Plaza Botero, everything that you hear on this board about being safe in this bar and the area is true, this is NOT for the faint of heart. I only went because my Colombian friend was himself a bass-ass in his younger years and is very street smart but now is risk tolerant and understands how to stay safe. We parked in a paid garage on Cr 53 which is between CL 54 and CL 53, for those of you that know this area it is filled with bars, SW, drugs and gangs roaming the streets, if you walk a bit further this is the same street and area on the backside of Museo de Antioquia. In the daytime, it is risky but at night or early AM not a police in sight so watch out. We walked from our parking garage to Conegitas. In the bar beers are cheap, 20 to 25 chicas, some very doable, some I would not "fuck with your dick" as the saying goes. Some real bad ass gangster types in this bar that you don't want to cross. I was the only gringo in the bar and the area. Did not take any girls but after 2 hours made our way out and to our car on Cr 53 and got the hell out of there. Crossed Conejitas off my bucket list, next.

Mayorista, Spent 2 hours drinking some beer at the outside tables at Mayorista at about 11 PM on Wednesday. First this place is a local hang out, I was the only gringo around. It is only about one block long where the SW hang out, I had thought that this area was larger, only needed to experience the atmosphere and must say the 60 to 100 SW chicas, some were very doable, probably 5 or 6 out of 100 but most were let's say, next!

Strip Clubs and Luna Lunera, This trip I had previously been to both La Isla and Fase Dos a number of times in the past month and have taken girls at both places but this past Friday had my first visit to Luna Lunera at about 11 PM. This is located in a decent area on Avenida 33 in Laureles. Probably 25 chicas in the club, many 6 and 7's a few 7 and 8's and maybe some would argue one or two 8 and 9's in the bunch. I took Julia arriba, one hour for as I recall 170 mil, know that you need to purchase either a half-bottle or full-bottle for seating. After a look around and seeing the decent selection of chicas I decided to buy a full bottle of vodka for 180 mil. In the end it was a good decision as you can share this with the girls, which I did throughout the 4 hours we spent in this club. We left only when the club closed at 3:45 AM. Post note, my 19 year old flaca negra bar girl Juliana that I took arriba was off the charts sex.

San Diego Bar, In addition to my first visit to Luna Lunera I also visited San Diego bar at about 10:30 PM for the first time and had a few beers over about a 2 hour visit. I recall the entrance was 10 mil, I did not take any girls. Probably 20 to 30 chicas, some very nice lookers but they were busy with tables of local guys. I just wanted to visit and see inside and how they operate. Had the same feel of bars that I frequent in Tijuana, Mexico. I would repeat a visit here at another time as it has a familiar comfortable feel to this place that I actually like.

Colombian Cupid & Facebook girls, As in past visits to Medellin I have met about 4 girls in my private home whom I met off of CC. They all are about the same in their expectations of 200 to 300 mil for 2 or 3 hours plus taxi. Out of these 4 girls 3 were great and with two I have already repeated. They are young 19 to 24 year old's. They love sex and they love the pesos. It is what it is. They have no issues that I am almost 3 times their age, they kiss with passion, enjoy DATY and some are BB. All are cuties, slender, damn cute Paisa with fresh tender delicious bodies which I enjoy. I develop a respect with them as they know that I would never hurt them with my big fat thick, jajajajaja, seriously some of these slender and very petite chicas have small pussies so I truly handle with care and they become very comfortable that I will not harm them rather want them to be safe and secure with me, god they give me great sex in return for this trust.

Milieroticos and Photoprepago, Like prior visits over the past few years I have had both in-call, more incall only girls on Photoprepagos, and out call freelance type girls from Milierotics. This visit I have only had 2 girls found on Milieroticos out call girls visit me, they typically ask for 150 mil plus taxi and from time to time this fits just what I need. One girl from Milieroticos has repeated a few times this trip. This all being said it can be hit or miss.

Tinder, Although texting with 4 or 5 real cuties just have not followed through with meeting any of them in person. Simply not enough time as so many other options. But plan on exploring opportunities further on Tinder.

Side note, After all these years to Medellin I finally visited La Casa de Piedra or also known as Lindas Chicas about 2 weeks ago at about 3 AM early one morning after nothing stood out to me at La Isla. Four girls available so took a 18 yo, forgot what I paid as it was late and had too much to drink beforehand at La Isla. The girl was no beauty but nice enough BUT the rooms are shit old, peeling paint, mold growing on the walls, dirty, old building that should be torn down. Note to self, never go to the room at La Casa de Piedra!

Many details left out but this is a general summary of this past month in pussy land of Medellin.

There is in fact so much available pussy that I wish I had 3 dicks, jajajajaja.

TTM.

Why wouldn't you unlock it before you go instead of wasting part of your trip dealing with it there? There are several online service you can use.

[QUOTE=StripperMan;2087261]I just bought a new iPhone SE from BestBuy. It's an ATT prepaid phone, and locked for 6 months. Is it true that in Colombia any phone can be unlocked for about 50 mil?

My research is giving me conflicting reports. 80% of the Colombians I talk to say it can be unlocked easily. In Mexico and the DR phones can be easily unlocked as well for about the same price. However, some Colombians like the owner of my Airbnb describe going to "many places in Bogota, and none being able to unlock" their American phones.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2087437]

Unless you know how to change your IP address to one in Medellin you can't use Tinder to meet (or even see) women in Medellin until you are actually there.[/QUOTE]You can pay Tinder for the privilege of changing your location on the fly. And it uses GPS and not your IP address.

[QUOTE=PickCherry12;2087150]How much was the apartment? Any restrictions?[/QUOTE]You are given a key to your apartment and left alone. You can bring as many girls in your apartment as you choose. Zero issues with Pobladorentals. We rented an entire house for 120 a night. It was 3 of us and we split it three ways. I already booked another Medellin trip for December. Can't wait.

C5.

Any phone can be unlocked, old or new. You can buy unlocked versions of any phone. Newer phones cost more to unlock or to buy unlocked than older phones. Many Americans pay for phones as part of service provider contracts. Those contracts generally restrict how soon you can request unlock codes. If a phone is "under contract" with a carrier, you would have to contact the carrier to request a free unlock code. I only buy unlocked phones because I travel frequently and have no patience for dealing with carriers and unlocking services. In my experience, the cost of an unlocked phone is has always been less than the cost of contracts with carriers like T&T and T-Mobile. Those contracts are advertised as including "free phones" or "free phone upgrades." They are not nearly free because they require you buy data plans and pay monthly fees for years at a time. It adds up to much more than the $500 to $1,000 cost of late model smartphones.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2087301]Older phones yes. Newer ones not so much. Did you call AT&T about unlocking it? With T-mobile you can unlock 1 month at a time for 6 months. Then after your phone is paid off or if you initially paid it in full you can unlock it permanently. There is no more calling them to do it. It is all done on an app that comes on the phone.[/QUOTE]

Excellent observation. Spot on. You have to take control or they will seize it from you. Gringos are known, in general, to be too soft and nice. They know it and take advantage of it. Colombianos would not put up with it.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2087133]Still figuring out Colombiana's but all of my experience with latinas in BsAs leads me to believe they are binary in relationships. Somebody is always going to be the boss and if you are unwilling to take that role they are perfectly happy to step up and treat you like a little girl if you let them.[/QUOTE]

White taxi. Always pay 65 K from and 50 k to. If my driver can't come and he sends another, it's the same. No negotiation. Driver told me that was the rate for the white taxi collectivo.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2087206]This is the standard rate. Sometimes I paid 70 k, requested by the taxi driver and without negotiating.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2087442]So I am still in Medellin going on almost one month this visit, this being my third visit this year and dozens and dozens since 2008.

I wanted to get some shit crossed off on my bucket-list of what to do to satisfy my sometimes debauchery thinking in Medellin so my good trusted driver and trusted Colombian friend and I took to the road at about midnight on two days this past week, both Wednesday and Friday late night.

SW, For two nights, early AM this past week we trolled all areas of centro for street walkers, my driver was born and raised in Medellin and knew all the areas, damn the shit you see goes from terrifying to the sad and deplorable. Trannies, beat-up and drugged up SW, way young SW actually kids high on glue, tussi spelling? Or whatever, really sad. So, after spending 3 or 4 hours on both nights trolling all around did not pick up anything rather just wanted to see how the early AM SW life is really like in horrible areas of centro Medellin. Many trannies congregate by the area around Cathedral Basicila Metropolitana but side note, damn some of these trannies can fool even a trained eye so be careful.

Conejitas Bar, Friday night spent 2 hours in Conejitas bar across from Plaza Botero, everything that you hear on this board about being safe in this bar and the area is true, this is NOT for the faint of heart. I only went because my Colombian friend was himself a bass-ass in his younger years and is very street smart but now is risk tolerant and understands how to stay safe. We parked in a paid garage on Cr 53 which is between CL 54 and CL 53, for those of you that know this area it is filled with bars, SW, drugs and gangs roaming the streets, if you walk a bit further this is the same street and area on the backside of Museo de Antioquia. In the daytime, it is risky but at night or early AM not a police in sight so watch out. We walked from our parking garage to Conegitas. In the bar beers are cheap, 20 to 25 chicas, some very doable, some I would not "fuck with your dick" as the saying goes. Some real bad ass gangster types in this bar that you don't want to cross. I was the only gringo in the bar and the area. Did not take any girls but after 2 hours made our way out and to our car on Cr 53 and got the hell out of there. Crossed Conejitas off my bucket list, next.

Mayorista, Spent 2 hours drinking some beer at the outside tables at Mayorista at about 11 PM on Wednesday. First this place is a local hang out, I was the only gringo around. It is only about one block long where the SW hang out, I had thought that this area was larger, only needed to experience the atmosphere and must say the 60 to 100 SW chicas, some were very doable, probably 5 or 6 out of 100 but most were let's say, next![/QUOTE]Spent a lot of time in Mayorista this past trip. It was 3 of us and I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of girls there for as little as 40 mil. Yes the place is seedy and reminds me of the alley in Tijuana, however the food and drinks are dirt cheap. Every size, shape and color girl you want. Myself and my other two wingman took chicks home every night for an incredibly cheap price. Most were tight spinner bodies and zero drama. I had a great time in Mayorista.

C5.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2086895]Man,

I am jealous, she had lost her ID she said so I said no way, got her number anyway, she even WhatsApped me to take her to get her ID but that didn't sound like much fun, then my last day while on the bus to the airport she WhatsApped me a copy of her new ID, "NOOOOOOOOOOO! Echoed across the valley's. LOL. Man she has the tiniest flattest waist and looks to be all of 75 lbs wet. Sigh, next time. Was she fun? Cuter / hotter in person then these pictures would indicate I thought.[/QUOTE]Wolf, she was a blast, very pleasant girl. She weighs like 90 pounds. No kid's and a heavenly body. Clean shaven pussy. Unfortunately her pussy was so tight I barely got half my dick inside her. I didn't want her to be in pain so I just came in her mouth.

C5.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2087579]White taxi. Always pay 65 K from and 50 k to. If my driver can't come and he sends another, it's the same. No negotiation. Driver told me that was the rate for the white taxi collectivo.[/QUOTE]Wait a sec. "Colectivo" is not a standard taxi. A "Colectivo" is a shared taxi: they can load more persons and unload them in sequence where they want. The route can be optimized, but it is not the same as having a driver who takes you from your point A to your point be.

[QUOTE=Chris561;2087590] I didn't want her to be in pain so I just came in her mouth.C5.[/QUOTE]You are a gentleman.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2914-Using-cellphones-in-Colombia&p=1740596&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1740596.

[QUOTE=StripperMan;2087261]I just bought a new iPhone SE from BestBuy. It's an ATT prepaid phone, and locked for 6 months. Is it true that in Colombia any phone can be unlocked for about 50 mil?

My research is giving me conflicting reports. 80% of the Colombians I talk to say it can be unlocked easily. In Mexico and the DR phones can be easily unlocked as well for about the same price. However, some Colombians like the owner of my Airbnb describe going to "many places in Bogota, and none being able to unlock" their American phones.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2087669]Wait a sec. "Colectivo" is not a standard taxi. A "Colectivo" is a shared taxi: they can load more persons and unload them in sequence where they want. The route can be optimized, but it is not the same as having a driver who takes you from your point A to your point be.[/QUOTE]But if one person agrees to pay the full rate, it acts as a regular taxi.

What I did last November was order a 7 Plus from through a friend of mine who has an ATT contract. The ATT rep had no problem selling me an unlocked phone and me paying with my credit card.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2087529]Any phone can be unlocked, old or new. You can buy unlocked versions of any phone. Newer phones cost more to unlock or to buy unlocked than older phones. Many Americans pay for phones as part of service provider contracts. Those contracts generally restrict how soon you can request unlock codes. If a phone is "under contract" with a carrier, you would have to contact the carrier to request a free unlock code. I only buy unlocked phones because I travel frequently and have no patience for dealing with carriers and unlocking services. In my experience, the cost of an unlocked phone is has always been less than the cost of contracts with carriers like T&T and T-Mobile. Those contracts are advertised as including "free phones" or "free phone upgrades." They are not nearly free because they require you buy data plans and pay monthly fees for years at a time. It adds up to much more than the $500 to $1,000 cost of late model smartphones.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2087696]You are a gentleman.[/QUOTE]I do what I can my friend. I love Medellin!!

C5.

[QUOTE=Chris561;2087590]Wolf, she was a blast, very pleasant girl. She weighs like 90 pounds. No kid's and a heavenly body. Clean shaven pussy. Unfortunately her pussy was so tight I barely got half my dick inside her. I didn't want her to be in pain so I just came in her mouth.

C5.[/QUOTE]Luisa, Compliments of the WolfMan!

C5.

[QUOTE=StripperMan;2087261]I just bought a new iPhone SE from BestBuy. It's an ATT prepaid phone, and locked for 6 months. Is it true that in Colombia any phone can be unlocked for about 50 mil?

My research is giving me conflicting reports. 80% of the Colombians I talk to say it can be unlocked easily. In Mexico and the DR phones can be easily unlocked as well for about the same price. However, some Colombians like the owner of my Airbnb describe going to "many places in Bogota, and none being able to unlock" their American phones.[/QUOTE]You should be able to unlock it right away. Call ATT as for help. I have a drawer full of unlocked phones, half are ATT phones. All you need is a code to unlock it. There is no easier way. All this running around town for some magic solution is a waste of your time. If you can't get that one unlocked, got to Walmart, get the cheapest go-phone and unlock that one. Get a Colombian SIM when you get in and pop it in.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2087669]Wait a sec. "Colectivo" is not a standard taxi. A "Colectivo" is a shared taxi: they can load more persons and unload them in sequence where they want. The route can be optimized, but it is not the same as having a driver who takes you from your point A to your point be.[/QUOTE]Colectivo is also not a legal taxi. It's an underground network of taxis that operate on the same route to and from.

All that to save $5-10? LOL.