Safe Sex

Suggestions for DATY: a thin layer

In general, you should not daty, bbbj, or anything unprotected with any of these girls. However, if you still plan to daty, then I would advise you to bring some saran wrap to cover the pussy. Have a good generous portion, about 8" X 6". I would only do protected daty on a club girl. She certainly will appreciate the protection because she's afraid when saliva and mouth (and perhaps some blood or bacterial/viral STDS?) is on her pussy. Think about all the other guys that have datyied her. Some use drugs. Others don't have good hygiene, i.e. gums may bleed. People who don't floss regularly will tend to have bleedy gums.

In the future, additionally, I plan to use an 8"x8" to cover my entire groin area. Simply rip a small hole in the 8"x8" and put your johnson in the middle of it. This will further decrease your risk from skin-skin contact.

The riskiest skin-skin contact is genital/genital, genital/oral, and oral/oral. If you minimize your skin-skin contact, you will minimize your risk for HPV, herpes, HIV (incurable viruses), and hopefully curable bacteria (if caught early).

Word of caution: saran wrap is not at strong as latex condoms, so may be subject to more breakage. Be easy on it with the tongue, and/or use a double layer of it. The nice thing about saran wrap is its transparency, unlike a dental dam.

Arthur

This was originally posted in the TJ section, but I'm reposting here for everybody's benefit.

Re: little vs big head

Pokey,

I respectfully seriously disagree with your line of thinking. Although I do believe in the pleasure principle to a certain extent, I believe the big head should overcome the little head.

DFK and DATY are very dangerous. Small cuts in the mouth you don't even notice are easy pathways to viral/bacterial infection. Mucous membranes in the nose and mouth are also easy sites of infection.

Herpes and warts can be aquired by simple skin-skin contact. All the virus needs is a live skin cell to land on. The virus will then use a sharp tail piece functioning as a syringe to inject its genetic material into the host cell and start multiplying exponentially: 1 to 100 to 10,000 to 1 million in the lytic cycle. The virus uses the host cell's DNA as the material to assemble its own phage particles. Fortunately, our outter skin surface is composed of dead skin cells, which act as a good barrier because virus cannot use dead skin cells to multiply.

Herpes tends to be fast acting, showing symptoms in 2-10 days, whereas HPV/warts takes weeks and as long as 8 months to show symptoms.

Treat this as a dangerous hobby, such as mountain climbing. Be prepared and be safe.

Arthur

KingArthurad,

In the TJ section you say that DATY and DFK are dangerous. How much danger can you get into with DFK? You have me concerned now, I have a daughter in her teen years, do I tell her the dangers of french kissing, along with STD's and teen pregnancy.
I have a son also, do I tell him when he goes off with his date, to not forget the saran wrap if you want to engage in DFK?

KingArthurad, While I agree with your suggestions for avoiding STD's completely, I feel that licking a piece of saran wrap is just not the same as DATY. I'm a guy who simply loves eating pussy. I don't do it because the gal enjoys it, I do it because I enjoy it. The taste, the smell, the texture, everything about it. It is rare these days that I will do it with a pro but when I start having to wrap it in plastic is the day I give it up for good. Some good advice I heard from a hooker I was asking to let me DATY: she said no and then she said the ones that will let you DATY are the very ones you want to avoid. I read recently on another thread (I forget which one) that the ones you want to avoid are the ones that offer bbbj and bbfs or allow you to daty, because they are doing these acts with everyone; probably already have numerous diseases and simply don't care if they pass something on to you; and are generally a ticking time bomb.

As far as the 8 x 8 plastic over your groin area: are you going to tape the corners up so it doesn't fall off. It reminds me of those old movies showing the Catholics on their wedding night. They would put a sheet over the entire body of the bride and cut a hole just big enough to expose the vagina. This might work as well. However, when it comes to this I will just give up picking up hookers.

Lastly, a very significant percentage of the population carries the herpes virus and shows no symptoms but can pass on the disease. You really can't even be safe with the girl next door. As far as DFK, I wouldn't worry about it.

Civ2000

Quote: "Some factors that work in our favor is the relatively high turnover of bar girls.
Maybe the girls burn out from the work.
Anyhow, the fresh girls should be cleaner, which decreases the risk to much less than 10% a year. If 1/4 girls have herpes, then the annual risk is 10%/4= 2.5% (assuming safe sex and avoidance of lesions)."

In the general population the rate of herpes infection is greater than 1 in 4. In Tijuana bar girls I wouldn't be surprised if the rate is 80% or better; even amongst the fresh ones.

Civ2000

The bottom line, statistically speaking, is that the older you (or providers) are, the more likely it is you've got herpes. Since it's incurable, and since exposure increases over time for anyone who's sexually active with multiple partners, this makes sense.

But somehow the concept that I'm going to be with a bar girl who's only had sex with a thousand guys as opposed to the one who just left who'd done it with six thousand or so isn't exactly comforting in terms of feeling like I'm less exposed. In addition, in the cited study we're talking about couples who both knew infection was a risk and took pains to prevent it. I can't say the same scenario is necessarily there with bar girls.

I also must say that the calculated stats that KingArthurad gives in terms of exposure are pretty much meaningless, IMHO. In the study cited we're talking about monogamous couples, which means they've all got a fairly standard pattern of sexual behavior, which can include, for example, using a condom well or badly. To compare that to someone who has many different partners adds a great deal of uncertainty into the equation. I note this because, for example, there are other studies which have shown that despite the fact that condoms are basically completely effective at stopping sperm, 3 to 14 women out of 100 who use condoms for pregnancy prevention end up getting pregnant. This is not generally due to breakage, but inconsistent or incorrect usage. It's highly likely that the infection numbers in the herpes study result from similar issues, so I'm not at all sanguine about how much such a study can really be extrapolated for a monger's purposes.

I say this to note that our best bet is truly learning how to properly manage the protections we use, as they won't help us if we screw them up!

I guess I'm one of the lucky few because I don't have herpes, and I have been at this hobby for at least 20 years. I usually always ask for a BBJ, and get that most of the time. I use a condom 93% of the time engaging in sex. In my younger days it was about 50%. DATY and DFK are recent sexual experiences I do, last 5 years or so.

I don't ever have sex with a girl who has been with a guy 6 thousand times, and I hope I haven't been with someone who has been with 1000 guys, but I don't think the girl or I keep count.

KingArthurad and I do different bar girls. He goes to AB in Tijuana, where they have plenty of girls, rated 6-9 that most of the tourist in the know from the U.S. go, and Mexicans with money. You walk up to the girl, say hi, and she asked if you want to go upstairs. You don't even have to buy a drink. Some of these hot girls, go up 8-10 times a night, most rated 6-8 go up at least twice a night.

I go to the bars where the locals go, where only spanish is usually spoken, and the girls main job is dancing with the locals for $1, most of these girls have been in the city for less then two weeks, or two months. They are rated 4-8, mostly regular young girls, who don't always go upstairs. If they go upstairs its only maybe 1 time all day.( the rated 8's go up a lot because the word is speading.) The girls I choose usually treat me like they do to their boyfriend back home, the sex is good and fun.

They usually get depressed from being away from home, and not making big money, that most of the girls go back home.( I just wait for the next bus arrival with young 18-20 year olds.)

Does anyone know where I can get STD testing for free or for low cost in Los Angeles or Long Beach?

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PUNTHERS ,
I have been searching for the best condom in the market for years. I've bought those sampler packs for ages. All the time looking for the perfect one. kimono, extra thin, and some other exotic ones.

I have used them all, the best condom is not one at all. But in the real world we have to protect our little missile from harm.

I have tried many different brands over the years. Doing some testing.

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It is the brand "Maximum" from Durex.

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Anyhow, this is the first review I give to a condom. I hope you try it as reducing the risk of STD's , reduces the cost of the hobby for all (less doctor's appointments, or treatment for those that get something). Less cost for the providers, better prices for us Punthers.

This is a public service announcement to enjoy sex more, and reduce risk (cost) to everyone.

Reposted from Philadelphia AMP Section for everyone's benefit:

Regarding the Big "H":

Jim Neighbors, Itiner Han is totally right. Once you get the H, you're in it for life. There is no cure yet (there has been some lukewarm success in europe with superoxide treatment but that is still far from approved yet). Like HIV, there is no pill to take that will keep HSV away.

Anyway, here's the lowdown on HSV.

HSV1 is the virus that *usually* causes the cold sores and HSV2 is the one that *usually* causes genital herpes, although I think because of the increase in the practice of oro-genital sex, specially during the last couple of decades, I have seen both these types frequently in both places (oral and genital).

You can contract HSv 1 or 2 by coming in contact with the liquid from inside a Herpes sore, either oral or genital. Therefore, if you avoid any contact with the sore, you should be safe. This, however, is actually harder than you'd think cause sometimes sores are not visible and the infected partner might not tell you that they have an active sore. So really it boils down to two options... either have a truthful partner that tells you when they are having an outbreak, or avoid having oral/genital contact, period.

This holds true even for covered FS; its simply not possible to cover the whole genital area just to be sure; you can put on a condom but the area around would still not be covered. BBBJs or covered BJs are a *little less* risky (although still not totally "safe") since you can atleast look for the sores. You could also technically try this approach at the Y if the lady is shaved. I had a GF for 2+ years who had HSV2 (and told me about it at the start) and I managed to not get HSV by using the same techniques above.

The only real way to "protect" yourself from getting infected if having sex with an infected partner is to have them take valacyclovir (Valtrex) for about a week to suppress any outbreaks. Good luck trying this approach on an AMP chick!

As to anyone who has contracted Herpes, please be considerate and avoid sex until the sores are gone. Also PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make sure that your significant other, if pregnant, is protected. This is a bloody mean thing to give to your newborn.

Education, as always, is the best prevention. I suggest spending some time on the following links from WebMD for all.

HSV Info...
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/52/49875?z=1814_00000_0014_f1_07

Info on all STDs...
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/10/2953_511?z=1814_00000_0014_f1_06

Good luck all and be safe!

Dr. Evil

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i have never done this before and looking forward a good advise.

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my kind,

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regards,

havanaman

Thanks Havanaman,

I may be taking too much risk because of a silly desire.

Thanks again for the advise.

My Kind

Hi everybody,

I just got something strange in fact, a mycosis called "Candida Albicans". To cure this stuff, I would need an antifungal like Diflucan or something like that. The best would be to take one orally and the other with a cream. I am living in China, I have no idea about what kind of thing i can find here. But I can go to HK if I need, as I am living in Shenzhen.

Please, any help would be appreciated.

Thanks to all. Play safe.

Antoine

Faguotonio,

There is nothing strange about what you have. It is just a yeast infection. most women get them more than once in their life, and although it is less common in men, it really isn't a big deal. Since it is so common, it shouldn't be hard to find the cream you need. I imagine that even in China, they have medicine for yeast infections.