Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]<cut>The question - is this facility/services still around and what are the charges now?? I seem to remember that it was NOT that expensive considering that we usually had approximately double the number of gals vs guys, all that food and drinks and would party to approx 11 pm or midnight (as we all know that when they stayed with us till this hour, we are entitled to bring the gals back to our hotel for no further charges). If I recall correctly it would cost us approximately only double or so vs. what we would have paid if we merely do it singly for the usual 1-1/2 or 2 hour session with one gal in a regular room.Thanks guys - need to find out the updated info/ arrange this all again as a group of us are planning a mongering trip and as it is now, BKK seems to be the targeted destination.SE Asia Joe[/QUOTE]SE Asia Joe,Like everything else, it's gone up. The rates are now 5,000 baht for the room you describe, for 2 hours. There are similar smaller rooms for just under 3K baht. The girls are between 2,000 to 5,000 baht (more or less), and of course you pay for the food and drinks. Considering, you can split the cost if you have a group, you are right that it's not that much for the experience. If you don't care about the Jaccuzi, it can go down to 1,000 to 1,500 baht. I think they still have a farang surcharge, so that may hike up the bill. Many of the other Soapy places have similar setups. Poseidon, etc.AT2

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I was attacking your comments on behalf of the girls.O.K. I now have no idea what you meant by girls lying to their families if it didn't relate to things the families would be best not knowing about.I lie to my family when I think it best.e.g. What have I been doing in Thailand? Do I use any Forums on the Internet?Was I visiting some Soapy when I supposed to be shopping?In my view, only dumb people are totally honest. Girls sometimes make a point of requiring men to be totally honest. But who is going to follow this requirement? I don't require girls to be totally honest but I try not to ask them incredibly difficult questions. I prefer to make things easier for them.When I had a soapy GF in the past, there were obviously many questions that I would not ask. I prefer girls who know not to ask questions that would make me lie too.If you pick a low class girl, you get low class talk like in your examples.These types may be excessive liers as well.But not all are the same.I thought your original was unreasonably categorising all Soapy girls as gutter trash or something along those lines and what caused your comments to be rather harsh.The way you used the word "low", you appeared to be putting yourself up on a higher pedastal and looking down on these girls. So I suppose that I was upset by the apparent generalised denigration of all the P4P girls, as though they were all the same.Some soapy girls are nice girls and have a sense of family responsibility so they have to make a living and support their families some how. Plenty of guys have married P4P girls and had successful families. But it was a tough road. And honesty was probably not the best policy.Recently a soapy girl took me to a new-year party and we had a great time. I wouldn't do so unless I had some level of respect for her. She is very honest with me that she doesn't want to exchange phone numbers since she doesn't want any attachment baggage. Probably has been burned by a previous customer hassling her.Its right to warn guys about getting involved with P4P girls. But lets keep the attacks on the girls characters to a fair level and talk about specific girls.Are us mongers any better than the P4P girls?[/QUOTE]Thanks for your response......and let me bring this down a few levels, as your response is taken in a friendly manner by me.English is not my first language, although I have studied it for many years....so it is quite possible that I have not explained my position properly, causing this minor argument.I met a girl in a soapy a little more than 2 years ago. I was living in Thailand and had a very good job, paid at a Euro rate. After two times at the soapy, we went on regular dates a few times and eventually moved in together. There was no money involved in the relationship after the two initial visits. She continued to work at the soapy for 6 months.....eventually she stopped work, as I was transferred up country.....and she stayed with me. I did of course pay for everything.......she had no family, so this was not a problem. I have been with hundreds of soapy girls over the years, in addition to professionals (and freebies) in almost every country in the world. Over a period of two years, I was introduced to about 17 other soapy girls....most soapy girls have soapy girlfriends.....I guess that makes sense. Over this period of two years, I developed the opinion (it is in fact a generalization)...that no matter how good the girl looks, acts, and talks......in Thailand.....there is a level of lying that farangs are not used to....and as a result usually take the bad end of these lies.During this period of two years...a few of the girls would visit and stay with us....in addition to the first 6 months....where I was dealing with off duty soapy girls on a daily basis. As my Thai became better, I was able to understand the conversations, the stories they were telling and how they conducted themselves. I never let on that I was able to communicate with employees in Thai and that I was studying a few hours per day with a teacher at my office. I became fascinated listening to this stuff, as it went on right in front of me.....as they all thought I could not understand. I began to see this entire crew as a treacherous bunch...as they described their activity with customers, their feelings for the customers, how they deal with family matters, how they deal with farang and Thai boyfriends, etc. I even began to feel bad for the Thai boyfriends when it became obvious that the Thai/Thai situation is as abusive as the Thai/Farang relationship.The lying to the family definitely did not involve things they "would be best not knowing about". When a girl is sending back over 5,000B per month to their family, they know she is not earning a normal Thai wage.....they are only hiding their heads in the sand if they do not know that this money comes from their daughter selling her pussy. As Mom and Dad buy that new television, they have to accept that the television is a direct result of prostitution.....so that is not what I meant. I mean that the lying becomes pathological. From my experience with this large crew of characters....it became apparent that they could not tell the truth to anyone about anything. They begin to lie for the sake of lying. I asked my "tilac"....why everyone lies so much...to family to friends and to basically everyone they come in contact with.....she said it was "fun"....."everybody go-ho too mutts".One girl came over to our house because her Thai boyfriend went crazy and started to bust up their loom. She had been lying to this guy everyday about everything......including the fact that she was fucking a farang behind his back......and telling her girlfriends that the guys penis was so big that it looked like a girls' arm. The girls all thought this was very funny. Now the Thai guy comes home and she accuses him of wasting the last hour as he was having a drink with some friends....she accuses him of lying to her!!.....and to the best of my knowledge, this guy was one of the good guys...he wasn't cheating on her...and was in love with this girl according to my conversations with him. This is the kind of thing I was talking about. As time went by I began to see how this game is played. My girlfriend was a solid 9 and a solid 10 sexually (this coming from a pretty jaded guy).....and that was the only reason I let this situation continue. It became like a soap opera where I was one of the actors.....and I really would not have had much to do.....if not for this soap opera in progress.I know not all are the same.....but this was a real cross section as far as where they came from (from far upcountry to Hat Yai)....what their education level was, who their parents were and how many kids they had, etc. All of them were treacherous.....not to me....but if you could hear these conversations, you would realize that these are not the girls that should become girlfriends. These are the girls to have fun with in a soapy parlour......not to take home.....and think that anything good will come from the relationship.I do not believe that all soapy girls are "gutter trash"...nor do I believe that any human being is gutter trash for that matter. I was not putting myself on a pedastal for sure. This is where the biggest part of the misunderstanding is. I am a fucking idiot.....during this same two year period of time, managers at my workplace were offering dates with their wives' sisters, their sisters...there were reception personnel....some very acceptable.....and encounters almost every day that I could have moved in on. I chose not to.....being fascinated by the soap opera I was living. I was certainly not on a pedastal....in fact, my position was sometimes dangerous, as the local Thai boyfriends began to wonder why their girlfriends were sleeping at my house.So, to conclude this thesis, I am not denigrating all soapy girls....just the ones in my soap opera. I will repeat.....based on my experiences, these girls are not girlfriend/marriage material and anyone who gets involved will not get what he planned on. I am a lucky one...I suffered no financial loss....and had some great sex...... that is sometimes hard to find making "iffy" picks. (Mine tried a little bank transfer scheme that didn't work.....and also tried to take off with a car when she realized I had had it with the bs.........but the local boys in brown stopped the car....I got it back.......she is lucky she is not in jail)....again Don't do it!!!!!(PS....maybe I picked a low class girl, and got the low class talk...but man I had quite a cross section there!!)

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]Thanks for your response......and let me bring this down a few levels, as your response is taken in a friendly manner by me.English is not my first language, although I have studied it for many years....so it is quite possible that I have not explained my position properly, causing this minor argument.I met a girl in a soapy a little more than 2 years ago. I was living in Thailand and had a very good job, paid at a Euro rate. After two times at the soapy, we went on regular dates a few times and eventually moved in together. There was no money involved in the relationship after the two initial visits. She continued to work at the soapy for 6 months.....eventually she stopped work, as I was transferred up country.....and she stayed with me. I did of course pay for everything.......she had no family, so this was not a problem. I have been with hundreds of soapy girls over the years, in addition to professionals (and freebies) in almost every country in the world. Over a period of two years, I was introduced to about 17 other soapy girls....most soapy girls have soapy girlfriends.....I guess that makes sense. Over this period of two years, I developed the opinion (it is in fact a generalization)...that no matter how good the girl looks, acts, and talks......in Thailand.....there is a level of lying that farangs are not used to....and as a result usually take the bad end of these lies.During this period of two years...a few of the girls would visit and stay with us....in addition to the first 6 months....where I was dealing with off duty soapy girls on a daily basis. As my Thai became better, I was able to understand the conversations, the stories they were telling and how they conducted themselves. I never let on that I was able to communicate with employees in Thai and that I was studying a few hours per day with a teacher at my office. I became fascinated listening to this stuff, as it went on right in front of me.....as they all thought I could not understand. I began to see this entire crew as a treacherous bunch...as they described their activity with customers, their feelings for the customers, how they deal with family matters, how they deal with farang and Thai boyfriends, etc. I even began to feel bad for the Thai boyfriends when it became obvious that the Thai/Thai situation is as abusive as the Thai/Farang relationship.The lying to the family definitely did not involve things they "would be best not knowing about". When a girl is sending back over 5,000B per month to their family, they know she is not earning a normal Thai wage.....they are only hiding their heads in the sand if they do not know that this money comes from their daughter selling her pussy. As Mom and Dad buy that new television, they have to accept that the television is a direct result of prostitution.....so that is not what I meant. I mean that the lying becomes pathological. From my experience with this large crew of characters....it became apparent that they could not tell the truth to anyone about anything. They begin to lie for the sake of lying. I asked my "tilac"....why everyone lies so much...to family to friends and to basically everyone they come in contact with.....she said it was "fun"....."everybody go-ho too mutts".One girl came over to our house because her Thai boyfriend went crazy and started to bust up their loom. She had been lying to this guy everyday about everything......including the fact that she was fucking a farang behind his back......and telling her girlfriends that the guys penis was so big that it looked like a girls' arm. The girls all thought this was very funny. Now the Thai guy comes home and she accuses him of wasting the last hour as he was having a drink with some friends....she accuses him of lying to her!!.....and to the best of my knowledge, this guy was one of the good guys...he wasn't cheating on her...and was in love with this girl according to my conversations with him. This is the kind of thing I was talking about. As time went by I began to see how this game is played. My girlfriend was a solid 9 and a solid 10 sexually (this coming from a pretty jaded guy).....and that was the only reason I let this situation continue. It became like a soap opera where I was one of the actors.....and I really would not have had much to do.....if not for this soap opera in progress.I know not all are the same.....but this was a real cross section as far as where they came from (from far upcountry to Hat Yai)....what their education level was, who their parents were and how many kids they had, etc. All of them were treacherous.....not to me....but if you could hear these conversations, you would realize that these are not the girls that should become girlfriends. These are the girls to have fun with in a soapy parlour......not to take home.....and think that anything good will come from the relationship.I do not believe that all soapy girls are "gutter trash"...nor do I believe that any human being is gutter trash for that matter. I was not putting myself on a pedastal for sure. This is where the biggest part of the misunderstanding is. I am a fucking idiot.....during this same two year period of time, managers at my workplace were offering dates with their wives' sisters, their sisters...there were reception personnel....some very acceptable.....and encounters almost every day that I could have moved in on. I chose not to.....being fascinated by the soap opera I was living. I was certainly not on a pedastal....in fact, my position was sometimes dangerous, as the local Thai boyfriends began to wonder why their girlfriends were sleeping at my house.So, to conclude this thesis, I am not denigrating all soapy girls....just the ones in my soap opera. I will repeat.....based on my experiences, these girls are not girlfriend/marriage material and anyone who gets involved will not get what he planned on. I am a lucky one...I suffered no financial loss....and had some great sex...... that is sometimes hard to find making "iffy" picks. (Mine tried a little bank transfer scheme that didn't work.....and also tried to take off with a car when she realized I had had it with the bs.........but the local boys in brown stopped the car....I got it back.......she is lucky she is not in jail)....again Don't do it!!!!!(PS....maybe I picked a low class girl, and got the low class talk...but man I had quite a cross section there!!)[/QUOTE]Thats a nice report. I like the more specific nature. I guess I overreacted to the first report.It didn't gel with my experience, but that was perhaps because most of the soapy girls I have known closely did not see fit to get in with a social set like what you describe.They tended to be more aloof an independent. I did not spend a few days with a girl roughly like what you describe once, with no intention of becoming a GF, but that was enough before I needed to exit the ugly social set. My ex soapy GF (lasted 3 years although I was not full time in Thailand) did have a few friends (without socializing with them that much), and I think she chose them carefully.I had sympathy for some of them who were stuck as 2nd wife of some old Thai bloke and wouldn't blame them if they were secretly looking for something better. I never caught my soapy ex GF lying at all. She would prefer to be vague when things were embarassing. She also expected complete honesty from me which I could not provide.But I have met Thai P4P girls with low brain power who would lie all the time, even though easily detected.I think if a girl has lots of close friends with ugly personalities, then she is best avoided as well.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]....again Don't do it!!!!![/QUOTE]Fascinating report, and the best advice anyone could give a new arrival in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]I met a girl in a soapy a little more than 2 years ago. I was living in Thailand and had a very good job, paid at a Euro rate. After two times at the soapy, we went on regular dates a few times and eventually moved in[/quote]Thank you for the post. I do belive you are correct in many way. My TG do have a lot of the same attitude.Chok dee

Soapy girl visited me at Dynasty Grande .Good body, good sex, but a bit selfish and not trustworthy.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]....So, to conclude this thesis, I am not denigrating all soapy girls....just the ones in my soap opera. I will repeat.....based on my experiences, these girls are not girlfriend/marriage material and anyone who gets involved will not get what he planned on. I am a lucky one...I suffered no financial loss....and had some great sex...... that is sometimes hard to find making "iffy" picks. (Mine tried a little bank transfer scheme that didn't work.....and also tried to take off with a car when she realized I had had it with the bs.........but the local boys in brown stopped the car....I got it back.......she is lucky she is not in jail)....again Don't do it!!!!!(PS....maybe I picked a low class girl, and got the low class talk...but man I had quite a cross section there!!)[/QUOTE]I found from my own experience with Thai women in Isaan that many of them see their sexual attractiveness and willingness to have sex with guys as a way to get ahead in life. Perhaps this is a part of their culture. Some people there start telling their kids that this is a good occupation to go into, even before these kids are old enough to do it.This means of course that to have a good relationship and possibly marriage with a lady like that. You need to supply her with money and material posessions enough to fulfil her expectations. And if you want to know what her expectations are. Then you should travel around Isaan and have a look at some of the substantial houses, pick-up trucks, and large rice fields that belong to them, courtesy of their farang husbands.These ladies usually get a lot more from marrying a farang than from working in a massage parlour or at a bar. And such marriage is what many of them want. These gals want to marry a rich guy. And most of them are happy to stay in a relationship like that provided that the guy is generous enough with them.Whether this kind of a relationship is fair or not is a matter of opinion. But when you are 65 years old and you marry a lady who is 40 years younger than you are. Then you've got to be reasonable about it. What is the lady supposed to do with herself and the kids that belong to you both when you die 20 years later? She needs money and property to take care of things and plenty of both too.I for one am greatful that there are women in the world with this kind of attitude. Without these ladies, my life wouldn't be nearly as much fun as it is now. As long as you undersand what you are getting into and you are willing to fulfil your side of the bargain. Then being in a long term relationship with a lady like that can be pretty good too. If every night you hop on your sexy lady every which way in bed, as though she is a soapie-massage s l u t. But in the morning you expect her to be a western-style girlfriend or wife, disinterested in money and material posessions. Then you should expect trouble for her. Because as far as she is concerned, you are trying to get a free ride and take unfair advantage of her.

[QUOTE=Dan7373]I found from my own experience with Thai women in Isaan that many of them see their sexual attractiveness and willingness to have sex with guys as a way to get ahead in life. Perhaps this is a part of their culture. Some people there start telling their kids that this is a good occupation to go into, even before these kids are old enough to do it.This means of course that to have a good relationship and possibly marriage with a lady like that. You need to supply her with money and material posessions enough to fulfil her expectations. And if you want to know what her expectations are. Then you should travel around Isaan and have a look at some of the substantial houses, pick-up trucks, and large rice fields that belong to them, courtesy of their farang husbands.These ladies usually get a lot more from marrying a farang than from working in a massage parlour or at a bar. And such marriage is what many of them want. These gals want to marry a rich guy. And most of them are happy to stay in a relationship like that provided that the guy is generous enough with them.Whether this kind of a relationship is fair or not is a matter of opinion. But when you are 65 years old and you marry a lady who is 40 years younger than you are. Then you've got to be reasonable about it. What is the lady supposed to do with herself and the kids that belong to you both when you die 20 years later? She needs money and property to take care of things and plenty of both too.I for one am greatful that there are women in the world with this kind of attitude. Without these ladies, my life wouldn't be nearly as much fun as it is now. As long as you undersand what you are getting into and you are willing to fulfil your side of the bargain. Then being in a long term relationship with a lady like that can be pretty good too. If every night you hop on your sexy lady every which way in bed, as though she is a soapie-massage s l u t. But in the morning you expect her to be a western-style girlfriend or wife, disinterested in money and material posessions. Then you should expect trouble for her. Because as far as she is concerned, you are trying to get a free ride and take unfair advantage of her.[/QUOTE]I read your post carefully, but I don't really understand it's connection to my post which was used as a quote in the preface.This girl was certainly not from Issan. The friends were not from Issan except for one. I have been to Thailand over 40 times and have worked in Thailand on numerous contracts. I am a student of Thai culture and history...although I must admit there is some great stuff in the "Thailand Politics" section right here. I am aware of the point you make about life in Issan and agree to a certain extent.I am certainly not 65......there was 15 years between us. The funny part about my situation was that she asked for very little and because of that, got a lot more than she ever expected. This was not the problem. She was married to a Thai shop owner who gave her nothing....materially, emotionally or sexually......she blamed him for all her "issues"......but at this point I would imagine a conversation with him would yield a completely different opinion as to what actually went on.Then you go on with this "soapy s l u t s" comment and how in the morning one would expect "a western-style girlfriend or wife, disinterested in money material posessions". She was never treated like a soapy s l u t ...I don't think I treat anyone like a s l u t .....and the later comment......well, I'm not sure that the premise is correct in the first place.This girl did not think I was looking for a free ride. She was just Thai....believing that all the world revolves around Thailand,, eating 6 times in a day.......putting other cultures down...clouding issues constantly (i.e. lying)...etc., etc., etc., etc.!You have a nice story about Issan girls though........I know one who actually married a farang (around 65)..he bought a new Toyota extended cab pick-up as a wedding present to her to make her very sanook....then 4 days after the marriage, she took off in the truck never to be seen again (but I understand the truck is parked on a farm next to her Thai husband's in Udon Thani ).....I guess it is called bigamy?

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]but a bit selfish [/QUOTE]I hate it when the girls won't share their fried grasshoppers.

This girl worked in CP2 a few years back.Quite young. A lovely delightful innocent and honest young girl.Was a Thai Yai from the northern mountains of Myanmar close to China.Spoke Thai not so clearly.Worked in a sewing factory in Thailand for a time, but not enough money to send home to her father and younger siblings in Myanmar (Mother died a long time ago).This girl never asked me for money outside of her work. Naturally I did give her some help since I was staying in her apartment in Pratunaam instead of having a Hotel at one time.Nothing bad ever came out of her mouth.Most of her co-worker friends were also from Myanmar and seemed generally good character.This girl was too young and innocent to ever be my GF. Was looking for someone more experienced and about 10 years older at least.Eventually she went with her friend (after a long adventure to obtain passports) who was marrying a Japanese man to Japan. She never came back and now lives in Yokohama.Doesn't do P4P in Japan and now has Japanese boyfriend.I still talk to her on the phone now and then.She misses Thailand heaps (and me too).

[QUOTE=Giotto]What, it did not hurt? Then yours might be different :) ... ooouuuucccchhh!!!![/QUOTE]Just a bit of a sting. Maybe because I was at climax. I filled half the condom with blood rather than semen this time though![QUOTE=NicFrenchy]She jacked you off with the Cap on?[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's standard at Akane I think.[QUOTE=Forcejam]Did you say your frenulum? And you bleed? Not to frighten you but I suggest you go for a blood test in couple of months down the road.[/QUOTE]Why, why and why? The frenulum is a piece of skin at the underside of the penis that connects the foreskin to the head of the penis (Wikipedia for more info). I read somewhere that for some people there is a blood vessel here, hence the bleeding. Why on earth would I need a blood test a couple months from now? HIV? From a handjob with a rubber? I [b]always[/b] use a rubber (for everything) and am completely healthy so why would I have any reason to doubt this? I'm young and have a lot to live for. I'd never ruin (or significantly change) my life over a few minutes of pleasure!

I don't think it's standard at Akane, unless something changed in the last 4 months. I have never had a condom put on me there. It's just a hj, so why would they need to put a cover? If you received a bj, yes I could see that, but they would still take the cap off when the hj started.Sorry you had a bad experience there. I wonder if it's the same girl Giotto had? Peace,AT2[QUOTE=Erogenous][QUOTE=NicFrenchy]She jacked you off with the Cap on?[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's standard at Akane I think.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]I don't think it's standard at Akane, unless something changed in the last 4 months. I have never had a condom put on me there. It's just a hj, so why would they need to put a cover? If you received a bj, yes I could see that, but they would still take the cap off when the hj started.[/QUOTE]It's not Standard. Can you imagine any place that would do that? It's already bad enough to only get a HJ at some places but if now they're going to cap you for it, they'll run out of business quick.What's next? Paying the girls 200thb extras for "Mind Sex"? LOL

[QUOTE=Erogenous]Yeah, it's standard at Akane I think.QUOTE]I have never heard of a hj with a condom....ever....in my entire life...this includes every continent on this planet (even my "mind sex" on other planets did not include a hj w/condom!). I'm not sure how you got talked into this. I think the girl noticed the beginning of a problem (i.e. a tear in skin) and than placed the condom on....because this is certainly not standard operating procedure. But, that said, good luck with your penis and thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=Erogenous]Just a bit of a sting. Maybe because I was at climax. I filled half the condom with blood rather than semen this time though![QUOTE=NicFrenchy]She jacked you off with the Cap on?[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's standard at Akane I think.Why, why and why? The frenulum is a piece of skin at the underside of the penis that connects the foreskin to the head of the penis (Wikipedia for more info). I read somewhere that for some people there is a blood vessel here, hence the bleeding. Why on earth would I need a blood test a couple months from now? HIV? From a handjob with a rubber? I [b]always[/b] use a rubber (for everything) and am completely healthy so why would I have any reason to doubt this? I'm young and have a lot to live for. I'd never ruin (or significantly change) my life over a few minutes of pleasure![/QUOTE]Condoms are made of latex/rubber and are subject to excessive friction if not lubricated properly. They are not suitable for Hand Jobs in my opinion.A vigorous HJ (which I don't like anyway) will cause friction and could do damage like what you described.