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[QUOTE=Big30]...In the past 50/25/25/25 was the informal rule in NRW. Currently it is: 50/25/50/25/50 ... .
[/QUOTE] few weeks ago did 90 minutes with Olga at GT and 90 minutes with Erica at LR. Payed 100€ both times. No complaints. I recon I owe them 25€ each? Do you know when aprox. did the 50/25/50/25/50....become the "not_to_ be_enforced_by club_because_it_is_illegal" price "informal guidance" rule?
[QUOTE=Henio]few weeks ago did 90 minutes with Olga at GT and 90 minutes with Erica at LR. Payed 100€ both times. No complaints. I recon I owe them 25€ each? Do you know when aprox. did the 50/25/50/25/50....become the "not_to_ be_enforced_by club_because_it_is_illegal" price "informal guidance" rule?[/QUOTE]
No problem! You pay what the Girls asks. Next time beacause now they have it hard to earn money try to go for less money!
It is most certainly not illegal.
Kind regards,
B30
[QUOTE=Big30]No problem! You pay what the Girls asks. Next time beacause now they have it hard to earn money try to go for less money!
It is most certainly not illegal.
Kind regards,
B30[/QUOTE]
nah, I never negotiate, never ask the price and just rely on the house guide and pay by that. Has served me fine in the past. I get enough negotiating girls in other markets so when in Germany I kind of want to keep just paying whatever is the "informal_nonrestrictive_house_rule_that_is_not_really_rule_because_it_is_illegal_to_set_the_prices_by_the_house" price :-)
[QUOTE=Henio]nah, I never negotiate, never ask the price and just rely on the house guide and pay by that. Has served me fine in the past. I get enough negotiating girls in other markets so when in Germany I kind of want to keep just paying whatever is the "informal_nonrestrictive_house_rule_that_is_not_really_rule_because_it_is_illegal_to_set_the_prices_by_the_house" price :-)[/QUOTE]
OK! Great info, so you just rely on the house guide and pay by that? Please tell me more about this house guide info.
You consider this to be a legal or illegal rule? Please inform ISG members about this "house guide rule". I would appreciate it if you would share this rule with other members.
B30
[QUOTE=Big30]OK! Great info, so you just rely on the house guide and pay by that? Please tell me more about this house guide info.
You consider this to be a legal or illegal rule? Please inform ISG members about this "house guide rule". I would appreciate it if you would share this rule with other members.
B30[/QUOTE] Yes, I do rely on the house rule. You have a problem with that? I don't care about the legality of the rule, there are lot of gray areas of this business. Set prices are one of the thing that many guys like about the FKKs, and most if not all FKK/sauna clubs in Germany have it weather you like it or not. According to you the house rule is:
[QUOTE=Big30]....In the past 50/25/25/25 was the informal rule in NRW. Currently it is: 50/25/50/25/50 ... .
Theke at GT/LR/VV/PHG accept these informal rules. 50/50/50/50 is OK as long as girls inform you before making a room.
[/QUOTE] so I dont really understand where you are going with your question of legality or seemingly beeing annoyed by my question since you are the one giving the "house rule" info to start with. I have conflicting information right not and I am trying to get it confirmed so I don't have to practice the annoying negotiation up front or haggling at the locker after the session, and at the same time not short changing the girls.
Anyways, I am there next week. I'll just ask.
[QUOTE=Henio]
Anyways, I am there next week. I'll just ask.[/QUOTE]
Just ask! You will ask all the girls or only ask at the theke? Goodluck! I am looking forward for your info.
B30
[QUOTE=Big30]Just ask! You will ask all the girls or only ask at the theke? Goodluck! I am looking forward for your info.
B30[/QUOTE]Why the cantankerous tone in your last few posts? The pricing issue is valid, interesting to members, relevant on the forum and, fuck me, the Netherlands pissed all over Brazil! :-) :-)
[QUOTE=Henio]Yes, I do rely on the house rule. ..... Set prices are one of the thing that many guys like about the FKKs, and most if not all FKK/sauna clubs in Germany have it ....[/QUOTE]
Fully agree with this.
Jim
[QUOTE=Henio]Yes, I do rely on the house rule. ...
Anyways, I am there next week. I'll just ask.[/QUOTE]
Hi dudes. I checked this thread after several weeks and found this discussion on prices. This is in fact an issue, as this discussion proves.
I tend to agree with Henio and I follow a similar approach. I usually paid the standard house rates for my sessions (as I wrote in my reports), meaning for “standard rates” those that were explained to me the first time I visited the places, around 3 years ago.
Thus: 50+25+25+25… at GT, LR and PHG; 50+25+50+25… at YY, VV and Samya. Unless the girl tells me otherwise in advance, I assume this are the rates to apply.
This is still valid, I think, although in my latest tour I found the girl at the desk at GT more elusive. I asked if something had changed in the price structure and she just said “ask the girls”. I am curious to read the most recent findings from Henio in this field.
In any case, hitherto, I had many 1h sessions in every club, which I paid 75€. Sometimes the 60’ session ended in a CIM, which accounted for a 100, still a regular price. Once (nearly 2 years ago) I also brought the issue at the desk in GT ([url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772014&postcount=670[/url]) because the girl insisted for charging me a 100, and the management told me I was right.
So, for 1h sessions I think the issue is clear. However I used to pay standard rates for even longer sessions.
I paid a 100€ for 90’ sessions at GT and LR, and 125€ at YY. 2hs sessions are rare, but I had a couple at YY, which I paid a regular 150€.
Most of the girls that I encountered give these rates for granted and are happy with that.
Leaving the girl happy (and me too) depends on how well I was able to connect with her. If we had a good time, it won’t make her much happier to give her a few bucks more; nevertheless I tipped a few of them in sign of recognition.
IMHO the 50+25+25+25… scheme penalizes too much the girl for sessions lasting >= 2hs, the 50+25+50+25… is more balanced, but penalizes 90’ sessions, thus a 50+30+30+30… should be perhaps better for every lasting, but none is using this scheme.
Finally, I tend to avoid girls who upsell themselves, as I experienced that paying more doesn’t necessarily mean to get more! This should be for you too. So I strongly encourage you to stick to standard rates and not contribute to inflation.
I was in GT a few weeks back (must write a trip report) and on at least one occasion the girl refused to stay in the room for less than 50 for the second half hour. I was in LivingRoom and VV too and the Euro 25 second half hour was not always accepted.
[b]CD[/b]
[QUOTE=Duralong]Hi dudes. I checked this thread after several weeks and found this discussion on prices. This is in fact an issue, as this discussion proves.
I tend to agree with Henio and I follow a similar approach. I usually paid the standard house rates for my sessions (as I wrote in my reports), meaning for “standard rates” those that were explained to me the first time I visited the places, around 3 years ago.
Thus: 50+25+25+25… at GT, LR and PHG; 50+25+50+25… at YY, VV and Samya. Unless the girl tells me otherwise in advance, I assume this are the rates to apply.
This is still valid, I think, although in my latest tour I found the girl at the desk at GT more elusive. I asked if something had changed in the price structure and she just said “ask the girls”. I am curious to read the most recent findings from Henio in this field.
In any case, hitherto, I had many 1h sessions in every club, which I paid 75€. Sometimes the 60’ session ended in a CIM, which accounted for a 100, still a regular price. Once (nearly 2 years ago) I also brought the issue at the desk in GT ([url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772014&postcount=670[/url]) because the girl insisted for charging me a 100, and the management told me I was right.
So, for 1h sessions I think the issue is clear. However I used to pay standard rates for even longer sessions.
I paid a 100€ for 90’ sessions at GT and LR, and 125€ at YY. 2hs sessions are rare, but I had a couple at YY, which I paid a regular 150€.
Most of the girls that I encountered give these rates for granted and are happy with that.
Leaving the girl happy (and me too) depends on how well I was able to connect with her. If we had a good time, it won’t make her much happier to give her a few bucks more; nevertheless I tipped a few of them in sign of recognition.
IMHO the 50+25+25+25… scheme penalizes too much the girl for sessions lasting >= 2hs, the 50+25+50+25… is more balanced, but penalizes 90’ sessions, thus a 50+30+30+30… should be perhaps better for every lasting, but none is using this scheme.
Finally, I tend to avoid girls who upsell themselves, as I experienced that paying more doesn’t necessarily mean to get more! This should be for you too. So I strongly encourage you to stick to standard rates and not contribute to inflation.[/QUOTE]
This is a bit rushed b/c it's late as I write. Sorry.
Hit LR tonight around 7pm after a day trip to Ying Yang in Roermond, NL just over the boarder (see the Other FKK thread).
Weird fact: on our way back to Germany from Ying Yang to go to LR, we cross the border and are cruising along in our C-class Mercedes when out of nowhere we see flashing lights behind us on a white BMW. They pull us over and 2 plainclothes dudes walk up to the car and say "Police. Passport check. Give us your passports." I'm like, um, you look like a 30-something German in street clothes and I don't see a badge ... where is your badge? Confusion ensues in the translation. Finally I get him to show me an ID which looks like a photocopied laminated card. I'm like, well, here goes nothing ... we turn over our passports, and they tell us to drive ahead of them to the next freeway exit. We get there, they come up to the car again, ask how long we were in Holland (a few hours), ask how long we are in Germany (1 week), and then give us our passports back. Then he says "Do you have any Hashish or Marijuana?" I'm thinking to myself, um, why do you want some? ;) But we say "No, not at all." Then they let us go. Super odd.
Anyway, GPS takes us right to LR. Best part is the main street right before it is called "Siemenstrasse" -- had us cracking up ;)
LR is a smaller club that is like a private house almost, with a basement (has the sauna/showers/some rooms) and a smaller back yard with some sofas, table seating, and then a big tent with sofas where they were showing football/soccer.
Receptionist was smoking hot -- wish I could have taken her. She got this tall, thin, blonde Albanian (Ana?) to show us the club. My friend nailed her later and said her body was 100% awesome. Similar lockers to GT (same ownership).
On a first pass through the facilities, ended up with a small, thin, brunette named (I think) Livya from Romania. I haven't had much luck with Romanian girls giving good service. But she looked cute. I asked if she kissed and she said yes. Off to the room -- again, a bullshit not-deep BBBJ -- and again she said she can't take it deeper. OK eye contact during a few positions. But she didn't seem into it, so I just sort of ended things at the 20 min mark. Another Romanian lesson learned for 50 Eur. I think she was 21.
Ran into a cute, slightly chubby blonde girl with beautiful slavic / inuit eyes at the bar. She's Ella from Russia via Germany. 20 years old (today's theme -- sex with girls literally half my age!). Chubbier than I would like but nice natural tits, cute face, tongue stud, bubbly personality. Seemed fun. Said she didn't deep throat and that almost ended it, but she said she'd make up for it. Pretty decent hand-and-mouth BBBJ, lots of rubbing including holding my unit between her legs from behind while I cupped her breasts, and then straddling me and grinding on me before slapping on the condom for sex. Great eye contact and pretty good kissing. Fun times. 50 Eur. She actually hung out with me outside for about 20 mins after (I'd asked her if she'd do this before taking her to the room). Which was nice.
Chilled out for about an hour before trying to re-enter the fray. Met a smoking hot, hard-bodied girl with perfect tits and long jet-black hair and some tattoos. Said she only worked there 3 weeks and previously was in Spain. Spoke English, Spanish, and ...wait for it ... Romanian. So as hot as she was, I had to shy away. Tried approaching another girl, tall blonde with natural tits and slightly curly hair. German girl. She didn't seem interested in chatting with me so I moved on. My friend was ready to head out, so in the interest of a safe bet, I grabbed one more quick session with Ella. Pretty much the same as the first one, and really good. another 50 Eur well spent.
Bottom line -- I liked the clubby feel of LR. There were a lot of girls to guys (not many guys on a Tues night) and the quality ratio was high -- lots of fuckable hotties. It felt a little more like a Brazilian terma due to the smaller space, and the surplus of girls meaning they would actually talk to you and spend some time. I am getting a bit tired of the hit-and-miss Romanian chicks though.
According to info from the field, the house guide for pricing at LR is still 50+25+25+25 and all the girls I asked and/or sessioned with for the last couple of days follow the house rule. This I got from asking girls and then trying it out as well on several of them for the last couple of days. The questions I asked were basically
"What do you charge for one hour"
"What do you charge for 90 minutes"
"What is the house standard on the second 30 minutes and every 30 minutes after that"
(perhaps not in these exact words and I tried to get it into a natural flow of conversation so it did not sound like interrogation)
disclaimer: as with hookers (or women in general) YMMV
[QUOTE=Henio]According to info from the field, the house guide for pricing at LR is still 50+25+25+25 and all the girls I asked and/or sessioned with for the last couple of days follow the house rule. This I got from asking girls and then trying it out as well on several of them for the last couple of days. [/QUOTE]
That is great news! So you made a room with [i]all[/i] girls in LR present the last months for at least more than 1.5 hours and paid them according to the house rules?
You made a room with Carla, Sophia, Peggy, Celina, Simona or even more with my best Girl Friend in LR Tricky??
Sorry Henio! I like some of your contributions to this board but but please do not lie!
I am 100 % sure the Girls I mentioned do not provide this 50/25/25/25/25/ service. So please provide us with a list of girls you met last week that still give this 50/25/25/25/25 service!
Actually many girls do! But my message is not all Girls do ... .
My only message is that in LR/PHG/GT/VV there is no house guiding for 50/25/25/25 prices.
[b]Disclaimer[/b]: This board is a little to serious in my opinion. Remember there is more in life than Sauna/FKK-Clubs!
Big30,
Your Best Friend is Tricky ? I would have never guessed.
I too am a fan of Tricky even not the typical body type I would normally chose.
[QUOTE=Big30] You made a room with Carla, Sophia, Peggy, Celina, Simona or even more with my best Girl Friend in LR Tricky??
I am 100 % sure the Girls I mentioned do not provide this 50/25/25/25/25/ service. So please provide us with a list of girls you met last week that still give this 50/25/25/25/25 service! [/QUOTE]
Ralucca (ro) also charges 50/50/50/50 pricing. She does charge 25€ for CIM though which is nice. I do like FT with it.