East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Castlerae]Bonzo1,

Thanks for the advice, but I think the decision has been made: Bangkok. While I appreciate Chinese women, their looks and attitude, all the prices I've seen, coupled with the value of the local currency against the US$, made Shanghi/China a long-shot to begin with. Not a lot has been added to make me change my mind, so I guess the more interesting diversions of Chinese sexual society will remain a subject of speculation.[/QUOTE]

Chinese girls' attitudes are generally among the worst in all of Asia. While there are many pretty girls, they are typically uber-greedy, shallow, speak little English, and many dead fishes. There are plenty of exceptions, and YMMV, but as a generalization this is pretty widely accepted.

On the other hand, China is great for freebies - among the best. And nightlife is a lot of fun here (not just mongering, I mean). For people who can endure, or actually enjoy, BBS's, they provide very cheap HJ's or BJ's. Not my bag - they are dirty and disgusting, IMHO, but I suppose in my earlier years I might have loved them nonetheless.

China is also great for KTV's and saunas.

These things said, I 100% concur in Dragon D's comments. China is not a place where you can just get into a taxi and explore around the city. You have to have a plan, and if you don't speak Chinese or not with someone who does you are hugely limited. It's best to have friends and/or contacts here to truly enjoy what the place has to offer.

Don't count Philippines out...they speak great English there and it's super cheap.

Again, for variety nothing beats Hong Kong, in my view. But it's not nearly as cheap as Thailand or Philippines.

Btw, if you go to Thailand, consider Pattaya. Read the forum and you'll see why. Cheap and super abundant P4P.

Cheers

-B-

[QUOTE=Castlerae]Bonzo1,

Thanks for the advice, but I think the decision has been made: Bangkok. While I appreciate Chinese women, their looks and attitude, all the prices I've seen, coupled with the value of the local currency against the US$, made Shanghi/China a long-shot to begin with. Not a lot has been added to make me change my mind, so I guess the more interesting diversions of Chinese sexual society will remain a subject of speculation.[/QUOTE]

I live in China but I would without a doubt recommend Hong Kong as your main center of action. Air fares should be reasonably good and the city is really nice. And they speak english here.

Wan Chai will be your paradise, Filipina, Indonesia, VietNam, Chinese and Thai all easily available. It will be cheaper, 500HKD should get you an all nighter, don't pay more than 700HKD. Even free is very possible. Stick to the bars called Fenwicks, Laguna, New Makati, and Neptunes II. In Tsim Sha Tsui there are some bars too, try Sticky Fingers. There are some street girls. 141 can be a nice experience and at least it is interesting to walk around the apartments.

Do your electronics shopping, cameras and phones in Wanchai Computer Center or in Mong Kok. It will be cheaper than the surrounding countries.

Hotels in Hong KOng can be expensive, choose your travel week carefully to avoid any conventions or exhibitions.

Macau is 1hr by boat away.

You can easily visit Bangkok or Manila from here, only 2 hours away. Return tickets HKG to either of them will range from about US$100 to US$200.

I'd prefer Bangkok over Manila 9 times out of 10. Bangkok has great culture, temples, history and scenery - lots to do and see. Tourism is very organized. Manila is more of a shithole. Not the most exciting city to visit and the country is very poor, only the live music in the Philippines is better. You can get SUN, SAND, SEA and SEX in both Thailand and Philippines but Thailand is more interesting.

Beach Club in Kuala Lumpur Malaysia and the Thai Bar across the street are also fun. Flight is again in the same range US$100-200. Again a clean city with a different culture.

You may also want to try Singapore, also quite cheap from Hong Kong. I've enjoyed Orchard Towers quite a lot. The band in Ipanema is very nice but beers at S$15 are expensive. In Singapore S$150 should get an all nighter with any international girl except for Chinese who think they are worth more but are not.

Don't bother with Shanghai or anywhere else in China, nothing can compare to Hong Kong and the neighbouring lands. You could try Shenzhen, DongGuan/ChangPing but why bother??

Chinese culture is mostly gone (I think Mao destroyed it), I haven't seen much in my 8 years here. I do however like when a girl tells me she is a 'traditional Chinese girl', this means that she will fuck me that night. I really like Traditional Chinese Girls.

[QUOTE=Yellow Fever #2]I live in China but I would without a doubt recommend Hong Kong as your main center of action. Air fares should be reasonably good and the city is really nice. And they speak english here.

Wan Chai will be your paradise, Filipina, Indonesia, VietNam, Chinese and Thai all easily available. It will be cheaper, 500HKD should get you an all nighter, don't pay more than 700HKD. Even free is very possible. Stick to the bars called Fenwicks, Laguna, New Makati, and Neptunes II. In Tsim Sha Tsui there are some bars too, try Sticky Fingers. There are some street girls. 141 can be a nice experience and at least it is interesting to walk around the apartments.

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I agree with all this, emphatically, except the part about "free is very possible". Not in those bars, at least - those are 100% WG bars.

I also never heard (besides this post) of anyone paying 500HKD (or even 700) in those bars, but times have changed since I was last there, so negotiation might be more easy. I usually paid 1000 to 1500, for reference...and in the strip clubs (read:rip off bars, but have some super hot girls with amazing performances) I have spent 6000 to 10,000 (total bill). Anyway, I don't doubt that 1000 is easily possible now, and wouldn't be surprised if cheaper (for the less pretty girls). The Chinese, Russians, and Columbians will insist on more, but for no good reason that I can see (in fact, for the latter two they'd have to pay me boatloads to even talk with them, but tastes vary).

141 is a great diversion and a great value. Only downside is there's zero thrill in it - mostly just mechanical and procedure-oriented. But definitely worth a try once, if not more.

Overall, the recommendation to go to HK and makes side trips is spot on, in my opinion. In fact, I'll likely do the same thing on my next trip. Thanks for the idea!

PS - I too love "traditional Chinese girls"...great analysis on that one :)

PPS - one thing to be aware of in HK is the abundance of Chinese or local HK'nese girls billing themselves as Taiwanese. Not that it matters, but I've met only one WG in HK that was really from Taiwan, but have had dozens tell me they were (only to not be able to understand Taiwanese, not know the national anthem, etc.). They think it increases their value somehow (those who live here know why, but those just visiting probably couldn't care less).

Just a quick report. Recommendation for a girl who can be legendary, check out #911 at 999. Lanlan is the one I mentioned from the Songshan shop. Very cute face, nice tits, exceptional attitude and oral skills. You will have a good time. Definitely in the zone of Stars (PSE or GFE).

Well, I apprecaite the extra input, but I think I'll stick with my original decision to just go to Bangkok. This boils down to a couple of factors: time and money. I'll be making the trip just one week, so I'm not going to have the time to go all over the place, no matter how tempting that might be. As for money, well, I've been tracking the value of the different currencies for a week now, and the Chinese money is consistantly running somewhere in the area of five to seven times the value of the Thai money. So even though a "LT, high-end" girl in Bangkok might charge 2500BHT, it still comes out a lot lower than most of the prices quoted for Chinese girls.

[QUOTE=Shamuc]Hi Sixty Cent,

I've been there yesterday. And to summarize: it was horrible. I did not know that there is no line up (my plan was to chose no. 65 if she's there), they presented to me a really ugly one which I refused. I then told them that I want no. 65 (I just came from my Chinese lesson so at least this I was able to express) and they told me to wait. After 20 min a girl appeared which was ok but not hot. I decided to check it out. And was very disappointed. After a short BJ (3min) she put the condom and laid down spreading her legs. I quickly finished as I wanted to get away as soon as possible. I am sure it was not "your" no. 65.

I learned that I will never again accept a place without line up as I would never have chosen this girl. And it also shows that the service very much differs in one place depending on the girl.[/QUOTE]One way to identify her is to look at her hip. She has a cute tatoo. I'll post the picture this week end, for identification of the real stuff. For sure confirmed it was not her!

Hi guys, I'm writing this on a BlackBerry currently sitting in a bar in Nana in Bangkok.
Arrived two nights ago from Shanghai (the night before that I was in Beijing). A quick count gives me at least 15 reasons why I should never go back to China. The atmosphere, the attitude, the looks, the smooth Thai style. . . . What else can you ask for? Compare this to the loud, shrill and hysterical Chinese WGs. After all, my recommendation is Bangkok.







[QUOTE=Yellow Fever #2]I live in China but I would without a doubt recommend Hong Kong as your main center of action. Air fares should be reasonably good and the city is really nice. And they speak english here.

Wan Chai will be your paradise, Filipina, Indonesia, VietNam, Chinese and Thai all easily available. It will be cheaper, 500HKD should get you an all nighter, don't pay more than 700HKD. Even free is very possible. Stick to the bars called Fenwicks, Laguna, New Makati, and Neptunes II. In Tsim Sha Tsui there are some bars too, try Sticky Fingers. There are some street girls. 141 can be a nice experience and at least it is interesting to walk around the apartments.

Do your electronics shopping, cameras and phones in Wanchai Computer Center or in Mong Kok. It will be cheaper than the surrounding countries.

Hotels in Hong KOng can be expensive, choose your travel week carefully to avoid any conventions or exhibitions.

Macau is 1hr by boat away.

You can easily visit Bangkok or Manila from here, only 2 hours away. Return tickets HKG to either of them will range from about US$100 to US$200.

I'd prefer Bangkok over Manila 9 times out of 10. Bangkok has great culture, temples, history and scenery - lots to do and see. Tourism is very organized. Manila is more of a shithole. Not the most exciting city to visit and the country is very poor, only the live music in the Philippines is better. You can get SUN, SAND, SEA and SEX in both Thailand and Philippines but Thailand is more interesting.

Beach Club in Kuala Lumpur Malaysia and the Thai Bar across the street are also fun. Flight is again in the same range US$100-200. Again a clean city with a different culture.

You may also want to try Singapore, also quite cheap from Hong Kong. I've enjoyed Orchard Towers quite a lot. The band in Ipanema is very nice but beers at S$15 are expensive. In Singapore S$150 should get an all nighter with any international girl except for Chinese who think they are worth more but are not.

Don't bother with Shanghai or anywhere else in China, nothing can compare to Hong Kong and the neighbouring lands. You could try Shenzhen, DongGuan/ChangPing but why bother??

Chinese culture is mostly gone (I think Mao destroyed it), I haven't seen much in my 8 years here. I do however like when a girl tells me she is a 'traditional Chinese girl', this means that she will fuck me that night. I really like Traditional Chinese Girls.[/QUOTE]

A picture is worth a thousand words.

front and back identification

[QUOTE=VeryInterest]Can someone tell me what 500 Wuzhong road is? A whole street or a spa? [/QUOTE]500 Wuzhong Rd is non-soapy massage joint with FS for 580rmb. Been many times and always excellent.

Wuzhong Rd (LU) is a famous road in Shanghai which runs parallel to, and is between, the Yan An Rd and Caobao Rd. It is on any Tourist Map. No 500 is on rh side coming out of Shanghai. Turn in and go behind the "Yellow" car mart shop. There is a hotel entrance round back. Go in. Straight to elevator to 4th floor.come out of elevator and turn right into Spa. No Chinese is needed. They know why you are there!

[QUOTE=Castlerae]Well, I apprecaite the extra input, but I think I'll stick with my original decision to just go to Bangkok. This boils down to a couple of factors: time and money. I'll be making the trip just one week, so I'm not going to have the time to go all over the place, no matter how tempting that might be. As for money, well, I've been tracking the value of the different currencies for a week now, and the Chinese money is consistantly running somewhere in the area of five to seven times the value of the Thai money. So even though a "LT, high-end" girl in Bangkok might charge 2500BHT, it still comes out a lot lower than most of the prices quoted for Chinese girls.[/QUOTE]

Actually the currency difference is about 5.4 times, give or take a few tenths from day to day.

Yes, I believe Thai girls are both better quality and less $$. Some people like variety, and for that nothing beats HK, but for the most bang for the buck (pardon the pun) Bangkok, or perhaps even better, Pattaya, are the best places on earth.

[QUOTE=Yellow Fever #2]I live in China but I would without a doubt recommend Hong Kong as your main center of action. Air fares should be reasonably good and the city is really nice. And they speak english here.[/QUOTE]Yellow Fever,

Having been to the various places you mention in your report, i think I'd fully agree, with the additional remark that life in hongkong is a bit more expensive than in the other places you mention.

On March 27, I wanted to go to World Plaza once again. But when I arrived, the guys told me that the place was closed and would open only next day again. Since it was raining, there was no chance to get a taxi to one of my other favorites. So, I decided to go to Sacrosa again, which is in walking distance - despite some earlier rather mixed experience.

This time, I had a line up of about 8 or 9 girls. They were not very pretty, but ok. I chose a rather short one who had a relatively cute look. It was just a gut feeling that drove me. She is not particularly pretty, but not ugly either. She has a good body with rather bit rack. It is stuffed a bit, but from underneath, so when you touch you almost don't feel it. This way, it's ok, even for me who hate silicon.

In the room, she gave me then an excellent service. At the beginning, I was concerned, since she did not immediately take off her clothes. But with each round, she took off more - like in a strip poker.

She allowed me to touch and lick everywhere. No complaints about size, not complaints about ticklish, just the way I like it. She gave me an excellent and very long BBBJ. Then I DATY'd her, which she definitely enjoyed and even became pretty wet. At the end, she also decided that the gliding cream was not necessary anymore, particularly since she came already during DATY.

I did then my deed in various positions: mish, doggy, cowgirl, and mish again, until I dumped my load. We relaxed then together on the bed, and it was really a good and enjoyable experience.

My score for her:
Face 6
Body 7
Attitude 9
Service 9

And her number: 309

Wonderer - wish you good luck and lots of happiness with her. But treat her well, she is a nice girl!

Delighted to be back in SH from UK on 15th. I was there in September (my report 3965) and had a fabulous time. This trip gives me 6 days/nights in SH punctuated by overnighters in Zhengzhou, Huangyan & Wenzhou.

Couple of questions - any suggestions for those nights away from SH?

I've continued to RTFF since September and nothing much seems to have changed. Of course I'll do the staples - Sarcrosa, B2,999 but any new must do's?

In London there is a thriving party scene where for c£130 one participates in a sex orgy for upto 4 hours - 3- 5 girls upto 12 guys all naked and f**king in public, hell that's why we're here so no problemo. Anything like this in SH & forget KTV's?

May not see my Vitamin V supplier before departure so any info on supplying pharmacies in SH would be appreciated.

Of course I'll submit a full report again after the trip, looking forward to input from fellow mongers.

Jintai road, what can I say?

A friend came into town and wanted a tour. I remembered about 3 months back and another time even further back when I went to Jintai Road and saw the hottest smoking hot bunch of BBS girls I have ever had the pleasure of picking between. I just hadn't been there since because it is totally out of the way for me. I wanted to show him the best, so I took him there, and man did I regret it. After making 2 laps before settling on a shop that actually had 2 girls good enough for us both to take one, we walked in and the mama-san demanded 300. I said, "okay, 300 for two." She said "no" and didn't even counter-offer. I walked out telling her to burn in hell. It was obvious to me if she was out of the shop the girls themselves would have accepted the normal price.

Reluctantly after another lap we agree to try a more eager looking shop. They also asked for 300, but quickly agreed to 200 each if we both bang a girl. I would have refused that if we were anywhere in Puxi, as we could hop in a cab to another BBS district, but in PuDong there is really nothing worth a shit in the area to go to as a back-up plan. The service was shit and the girl I had actually I had to argue with her just to switch positions. She wanted 50 more for a BJ. (I know to mention this early in the bargaining, but I don't care enough to be bothered.) I guess my friend's chick was okay. If you go out there definitely only go with chicks frantically waving you in the shop.

By the way, if you want 100 kuai full service in that area with some really slutty chicks, some willing to bareback, then ride a taxi south from the JinQiao Lu station (closest station to Jintai road) SOUTH on JinQiao road past the bridge about until the taxi hits 12 on the meter. Last time I found a nice chick there with awesome service, totally relaxed because of few customers. Unfortunately tonight it kind of sucked and we couldn't find a shop with two good ones, one for each of us. (If i was alone I definitely would have gone for superior service for only 100.)