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[QUOTE=BloodRed;2975940]Well, shit4 brains, the fact of the matter is that the Russians took Kurakhove and they took Toretsk, just like they will take the rest of the Donbas.[/QUOTE]I understand your frustration Igor. Of course, you're lying about HAVING TAKEN Toretsk the same way you lied about TAKING Kurakhove two weeks ago, but what the hell -- I'll give you another three days for the rest of Donbas.
[QUOTE=MorandUK;2975974]It seems people have fixed believes that will not change even when you present evidence on the contrary. In my humble opinion the winners of conflict are the Americans, Russians and the Chinese. Their economies are going strong. The losers are the Europeans and the really big losers the Ukrainians. European economy has suffered and will suffer even more. Ukraine as a nation is devastated. Their population has shrink bellow 28 million and have lost 20% of their land. All that because of a political game the US-UK played against Russia.
[URL]https://youtu.be/0Bl6_MAhg_4?si=pAs8KunViszNFR3E&t=3901[/URL][/QUOTE]Well, Hello, Igor#5. Sorry for pestering you with these silly things AKA facts. How foolish of me.
Keeping an eye on the bagel and not on a hole.
Gas Wars started with a conflict with 2 Polish brothers.
The Syrian War of 2014 is The First Gas War to oppose the gas from Qatar through the Syrian territory. The regime is gone and Qatar is not going to build the pipeline.
The Ukrainian War is the Second Gas War.
In Summer of 2021 there was a meeting between Biden and Putin in Switzerland. As an outcome the US decided to arm the regime in Kiev, abandon the Minsk agreements, opt for Plan be to invade Donbass and start a Gas War. Biden had all the opportunities for peace but decided to push for war. I don't even ask for moral choice or the spirit of peace. When the last time the US chose the right moral path?
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2976027]Well, Hello, Igor#5. Sorry for pestering you with these silly things AKA facts. How foolish of me.[/QUOTE]LOL. You should stop taking too much copium. It destroys your brain.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2975978]USA always made money with wars, killing their young to make money. Russia is falling and now the world know their army is weak, when they need north Korea help versus Ukraine who is so courageous and such a good example to defend their land and freedom. I wish Canada, Greenland / Denmark will do same. USA game is with China and they will lose, when they fight about same low level productions. High level productions don t care about shit chinese products.[/QUOTE]Zelenski posted a video showing allegedly 2 N Koreans. One of them definitely spoke Korean but at the same time there are some ethnic Koreans living in Russia. Nevertheless I believe they are N Koreans but I don't believe 10,000 troops are there to help. The most likely scenario is for them to be in Kursk to acquire fighting experience. What difference does it make for Russia who has 700,000 soldiers in Ukraine to add 10,000 more? Regarding the "courageous" Ukrainians it's a matter of interpretation. Yes the Ukrainians have fight well and had few successes here and there but for what? For the right to enter NATO? Switzerland and Austria are outside NATO and they are prospering and so could Ukraine. This war should never have happened.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2976025]I understand your frustration Igor. Of course, you're lying about HAVING TAKEN Toretsk the same way you lied about TAKING Kurakhove two weeks ago, but what the hell -- I'll give you another three days for the rest of Donbas.[/QUOTE]Delusional and dumb.
As for the rest of the Donbas, my prediction is by the end of summer 2025, the Russians will take all of it.
[QUOTE=MorandUK;2976061] Switzerland and Austria are outside NATO and they are prospering and so could Ukraine. [/QUOTE]Google "map of Europe". Try to find on the map the location of Switzerland and Austria. Compare with the location of Ukraine. See if you can spot the difference and report back. Hint: focus on who the neighbouring countries are.
[QUOTE=MorandUK;2976061]Zelenski posted a video showing allegedly 2 N Koreans. One of them definitely spoke Korean but at the same time there are some ethnic Koreans living in Russia. Nevertheless I believe they are N Koreans but I don't believe 10,000 troops are there to help. The most likely scenario is for them to be in Kursk to acquire fighting experience. What difference does it make for Russia who has 700,000 soldiers in Ukraine to add 10,000 more? Regarding the "courageous" Ukrainians it's a matter of interpretation. Yes the Ukrainians have fight well and had few successes here and there but for what? For the right to enter NATO? Switzerland and Austria are outside NATO and they are prospering and so could Ukraine. This war should never have happened.[/QUOTE]This war only happened because of crazy Putin, when Ukraine, Georgia, Moldavia and Crimea before, don t want to belong to him and Ukraine never wanted to attack Russia. Nobody in the world never wanted to attack Russia, but ex unknown in KGB just dream to make again USSR but without socialism, but money for his castles. And Trump would like to do same with Canada and Greenland, when they are like the 2 crazy twins. I really wish heroic Ukrainians will resist to weak Russian army, for love of freedom.
[QUOTE=Questner;2976039]When the last time the US chose the right moral path?[/QUOTE]Maybe some day again,
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[QUOTE=Xpartan;2975893]If you truly believe that Ukraine loses more soldiers than Russia, I have quite a few bridges to sell you. Russians send people into pure meat assaults; they've been on the offence for over a year, and they lose around 2,000 a day since October 2024. Only a complete nutso or Russian propacondom like Blah Blah can utter this nonsense with a straight face.
The exchange reported by the Moscow Times (which, by the way, is an independent outlet and not "a western owned media") has nothing to do with the actual ratio of dead from the both sides. Some of the dead returned from Russia come from the siege of Mariupol in 2022. Others from the areas currently occupied by the Russians. Of course, there will be more dead bodies on the territories controlled by Russia since they're on the offence.
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-swap-bodies-soldiers-one-of-biggest-exchanges-of-its-kind[/URL]
Russia has lost approximately 794,760 soldiers per Ukraine's Euromaidan by the end of December.
[URL]https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/01/04/russias-human-loss-fighting-area-ratio-exceeds-all-modern-conflicts-except-korean-war[/URL]
You don't trust the Ukrainians. Well, other sources are even less conservative.
Russians have lost over 800,000 dead and [b]gravely[/b] wounded since Feb 2022 according to the National Interest.
[URL]https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/jaw-dropping-loss-human-life-russia-ukrainian-war-214355[/URL]
The highest number for Ukrainian losses has come from "Yuriy Butusov, a well-connected but controversial Ukrainian war correspondent, (who) says that 70,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed since February 2022, with another 35,000 missing. " Other estimates, both from Ukraine and the world are considerably less.
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0ewneynypwo[/URL]
Even if Butusov's estimate is accurate, "the consensus is that Russian casualty figures are far higher than Ukraine's due to their "meat grinder" tactics. ".
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yv75nydy3ot[/URL]
It's quite likely that 250,000-300,000 Russian occupiers are dead or MIA (which is usually the same thing).[/QUOTE]You're comparing Russian casualties, which include people who were wounded or injured, to Ukrainian deaths. And no, not all of those wounds and injuries were "grave. " Where did the 250,000 to 300,000 estimate for deaths and MIA come from? I don't know about Russia, but seriously doubt that all those 35,000 Ukrainian MIA's are dead. Some are part of the 6 million Ukrainians who left their country because of this never ending war.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2975777]An independent Ukraine with some EU investments would show the Russians that life can be good as long as you try a bit to limit corruption and you get to trade with the free world. Putin wanted none of that.[/QUOTE]Admittedly changing the subject, could EU membership for Ukraine combined with a commitment that Ukraine would not join NATO serve as a pathway to end the war? The EU might just save money in the long run. It would have to subsidize the Ukrainian economy to raise it to EU standards. But the Europeans wouldn't be spending money on a senseless war.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2975707]Appeasing the enemy at its finest.
Remember how a few years back The NYT aired allegations that Putin had offered bounties on the lives of the US servicemen in Afghanistan? Back then the US government concluded it was just unsubstantiated rumors.
Turned out, they weren't rumors, and the whole affair doesn't look good for Joe Biden's legacy.
The NYT article came around in 2020, two years before the full-scale Russian aggression against Ukraine. Obviously, the bulk of killings occurred under Trump, but it was Biden who dropped the ball. Now the ball is back in Trump's court. Do you know what he's going to do about it? Absolutely nothing!
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/russia-gru-taliban-american-soldier-bounty-2014673[/URL]
[URL]https://theins.ru/en/politics/277723[/URL] - The original The Insider / Der Spiegel story.[/QUOTE]Well, the $200,000 bounty is a bargain, if you believe the Pentagon's estimate of Russian war dead is reasonable, like Blood Red and I do. The $65.9 billion the USA has provided Ukraine in military aid since 2022 works out to over $500,000 per Russian war death. You might more than double that if you include aid from the Europeans.
Seriously, your link says, "The White House said in 2021 it had "low to moderate confidence" in the claims" the bounties existed. And the USA armed Mujahideen against Russia in Afghanistan years ago. That didn't work out too well.
Hopefully someday Russia and the USA will be on the same side again in the war against terrorism.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2974873]Navalny and related matters well identify the sort of regime you advocate appeasement towards. It's thus no wonder that you make a beeline to Hiroshima.
Appeasement of the likes of Putin has been a non-starter for the West, and should continue to be so, as such promotes aggression.
I think you very likely understand the Navalny context, but choose to change the subject, while Hiroshima was already extensively litigated in the past. You persistent refusal to stay on topic can likewise be considered cowardly. But as much as you complain about that accusation, looks as though you know we are onto something.
[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque[/URL][/QUOTE]"Cowardly. " I get it. You have a tough time justifying an endless war against Russia that will result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands, so you use that Ad Hominem crap to go after the messenger. Do you think Navalny's death is part of the justification to conduct proxy warfare against Russia forever?
There was an article in the Financial Times the other day about Nayib Bukele, president of El Salvador. He has the highest approval rating of any world leader. And yes, members of his political opposition have died on his watch. The leader with the second highest approval rating is Vladimir Putin. The FT may have overstated his level of approval among Russians, but it's certainly higher than that of Biden, Harris or Trump among Americans.
The world as it exists may not meet your ideal. Trying to change it so it does will cost a lot of money, result in a lot of deaths, and make the world a more dangerous place. And it will never be successful.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2975627]...Russia's bombardments of Mariupol (that killed at least TENS of thousands of civilians). [/QUOTE]I don't believe that. Yeah, a lot died, but not tens of thousands if you're referring to civilians.
If Russia wanted a land bridge to Crimea, it had to take Mariupol. The detonation of the bomb at Hiroshima above the residential and commercial center of the city, and specific targeting of residential areas of Dresden were in a league of their own. I don't believe that was the case with Mariupol, although you'd know better than I would. Please feel free to reply if you don't mind quoqing.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2976409]You're comparing Russian casualties, which include people who were wounded or injured, to Ukrainian deaths. And no, not all of those wounds and injuries were "grave. " Where did the 250,000 to 300,000 estimate for deaths and MIA come from? I don't know about Russia, but seriously doubt that all those 35,000 Ukrainian MIA's are dead. Some are part of the 6 million Ukrainians who left their country because of this never ending war.[/QUOTE]1. There are around 2 wounded for 1 dead estimated for the Russians and 4-5 wounded for 1 dead among the Ukrainians. Currently, there are over 800,000 Russian casualties. Do the math.
2. The dead estimates come from the Ukrainian, British and US security agencies. I've provided the links to these sources multiple times. The MIA are separate estimates, which are 50,000-100,000 for Russians and 35,000 for Ukrainians. Most MIAs turn out dead, which is a common denominator of all wars, not just this one.
3. Your disrespectful joke about Ukrainian MIAs being missed because they'd left their country is on you.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2976416]Well, the $200,000 bounty is a bargain, if you believe the Pentagon's estimate of Russian war dead is reasonable, like Blood Red and I do. The $65.9 billion the USA has provided Ukraine in military aid since 2022 works out to over $500,000 per Russian war death. You might more than double that if you include aid from the Europeans.
Seriously, your link says, "The White House said in 2021 it had "low to moderate confidence" in the claims" the bounties existed. And the USA armed Mujahideen against Russia in Afghanistan years ago. That didn't work out too well.
Hopefully someday Russia and the USA will be on the same side again in the war against terrorism.[/QUOTE]The US and Europe are helping Ukraine to defend its country from a military aggression.
Russians paid Afghan terrorists to kill US servicemen for spite.
This should give a pause even to Russophiles with a great deal of moral flexibility like yourself.